They All Get Rolled
2021-03-05
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tonight's going to be a special show an unplanned stream we didn't even think was going to happen and while i'm still waiting for response we might be out for blood tonight you see there's a traitor among our ranks
a snake attempting to bite our ankles preventing us from marching forward disrespecting the meaning of infrared a failure and cloud chasing attention starved foking
demanded the attention of infrared but he is the problem that's not the kind of attention you want to get from me my friend that's not the fucking type of attention you want to get from me my friend
oh you got my attention it's just you're going to regret ever having begged for it in the first place
yeah that's right you got my intention but let's see if it was all worth it at the end of the day
what's good everybody how youa fucking doen ho be bear back sorry bear back
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okay here is ya
basically what we go we got going on we got this er this cock this fucking traiter this fucking fak fucking fake and now fake tanky
wance to stir the pot you understand
it's that mother fucker fellow traveler fellow traveler
right when i'm in the middle of this shit with san saw which isn't over by the way cause he's making his video which we got to prepare for and we got shit comin up this weekend
i find out fellow bitch wants to fuck and make a hit piece on me in his own words to quote he wants to obliterate me in his video that he's going to make and why what's the story behind this little fake bitch fellow traveller
here's the story
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on monday i said if you get less striet viewers than me and less sobs you o to go through my community before you want to debate me
he sent me a tweet saying i challenge you to a debate actually i'm going to pull it up just so there's no ambiguity we're going to pull up the tweet just so there's no fucking ambiguity look at this little bitch ok so i've been busy and i have't been doing attention i' been doing attention tle baby bitch fking bitch i've been fucking busy you understand
you know you god knows how funckin busy i' been i just did my fuckin mid terms but where's the respect right for my time none look at him infrared i challenge you to a debate on china
and he did say something somewhere not here i thought it was in this tweet where he was like since that's the only way i can get your attention since that's the only thing you seem to respond to i was in a discord since you thing you seem to respond to i challenge you to a debate if you challenge me to a debate thuk this goddamn shit fuck this goddamn shit if you
challenge me to a fucking debate fk you fk you look at what you fucking said it's formal infrared i challenge you to a debate ok if you want to challenge me to a debate this is the policy i fucking laid out i already laid this out on fucking stream you understand
i laid this shit out on stream o kay on stream i laid this shit out
if you want to challenge me to a debate formally to get my attention because that's what you said this is the only thing i get yourt fuk to bitch you fukn follow my rules then w di scoing bitch say instead now he's going on a tangent and wants to make a hit piece on me he's such a bitch
that he his pride was so scorned that instead of going to my community and the discord and just getting their approval and by the way looking in that fucking ton it looked like a lot of people wanted to see it happen he didn get the recommendation maybe of twelve cae you know how you can react to comments on discord there was like twelve people who reacted when someone was like hey you should debate him he's a good guy and a lot of people seemed to
recommend it you know if you want to just
swallow his fucking pride and realize i'm too busy to pay attention to you specifically he could have not only debated me but it didn't have to be ugly like it is now
but he's he's better he's he's what he ss too proud he's too proud because here's the plain fucking truth ever say respect me been around for many years then why is he cloud chasing me i won'tly been around for a month because we're successful and he's not that's why is that my fault and look at this cloud chasing beach i'm going to tell you something about these fake m ls i'm
tell you something about these fake tankees
what are you talking about the volume
what's wrong with the volume
i'm gonna tell you something about these fucking fake tankies
fix mike
is it too loud or is it too oky it's too loud i'm just going to put it here then listen listen i put the miice away for me ok listen can you turn up the volume or turn lower it which one
would it ok it's too quiet shut up dude somebody's fucking lying ok let me turn down the game oh my god look at the game
ok this is why guys
because the fucking game is this better
because i had to gain all the way up
yeah yet i had the fuck and gain all the way up
ok
anyway
because you guys were saying it was way too fark and quiet last time so i tried to fix it
anyway
you want to know what disgusts me most of all
this little bitch fellow traveler
this little bitch this pussed this cock
his eyes were glowing
glowing
with excitement
at our numbers
andt our numbers
our subscribers and our views and our attention that we're getting
and our fucking crazy community right his eyes were so for pce that ok
but did he for once se focking as down and ask why are they doing so well no he fucking didn't
the first thing he decided to do was say i need a piece of that let me debate you on china n move out of the way everybody wve out of the way i have
hundreds of people hundreds of people in line
and he wants to get out the way i get aware puscelist get out of the way get out the way ne to beate on china
parking beage
you know how many fucking people are in line right now
but he's so special he deserves special treatment
he fucking deserves special treatment i'm obliged to debate him
and and for not doing this he has to put out a hit piece demolishing me obliterating me his words
dividing the community when the real enemy is bred to
remember i didn't start this war this civil war and it's not a civil war actually anybody who's on his side you're fucking cock
you're not even part of the community
you're fucking exile beach is not a fucking civil war
you're either with bred toube re you with us
this is not a civil war between amels
we are the emls we're fighting breadtube you want to know the proof
we are directing everything against bread tube there's a lot of shit i disagree with mos
about in my own community
but i don't make that a point of going to war over
i never make that a point of going to war over
the war has always been against bread tube
he made it a point of war
our disagreement about china
he divided us
he fuking divided us
can you guys folking believe that
he made this so important
that it's worth dividing the whole community over
when all i've been doing is marching against bread tube
with the guerrilla army
and at least my lork
is foking
digital
at least when i talk about the gurilla like you guys know what i'm talking it's the info war
this fucking larper
i checked out his channel i checked out his channel
this fulking guy we're going to go check out his channel soon
i'm waiting for his fuck in response
but we're going to
we're going to be investigating dealing with this guy
whether he responds tonight or not
he's supposed to be back by midnight apparently
so that's when the so called debate is happening
but im
we're going to check this guy out
we're going to check out this fucking larper because that's what he fucking is he's a larper he's a fucking larper you understand
and he deserves my attention he needs my attention
i'm obliged to give m my attention ok but you got my attention he's just going to regret ever fucking bothering me and biting my fucking ankle to get it
you don't want this type of attention guys
i'm going to fuck and salt the earth over your channel
i'm going to fucking salt the earth over your channel
don't fulk and forget we're growing don't fuck and forget that we're the future
unless we get the platform
and guess what
you're only going to be remembered as the person
who got falking destroyed
destroyed by us
destroyed by infrared
becuse this is not going to be a good faith debate it's not i'm going to just point black i'm going to say
my goal is to expose him as a fok and dumb ass
simple as that
that's my fucking goal
i'm out here to fucking expose this little bitch
i'm not fucking here to have a nice discussion
i'm not here to expose this dumb bitch
this faking idiot and i watch some of his falking videos he is a faalking idiot
he didn't say a goddamn single fucking thing that's worth anything
he's literally a fucking bread tuber except he wears a costume that he's a maoist
his fucking logic his reasoning his aesthetic
all fucking bread tube
his cosmetics a larper and that's how it is in the fucking west all these m l m fake mawist that are living in the west
their bread tube
but instead of dressing as furries
instead of dressing as a furry
instead of looking like a dumb ass like sansal
they wear a mouthct
but they're literally bread tubers same fucking shit so tonight's
debate
is not going to be a civil war
it's going to be an extension of our march against bred tube
because guess what
he's using the exact same falking arguments breadtube does
that china isn't socialis
and guys i didn't want to fuck and clown on people who say that
but he threw the first falking stone
he made this such an important point of contention
that
you gota go to war over it
don't fucking forget when you say you're going to make a video obliterating me you're trying to make a video obliterating the guy
who's only fucking known on the internet for rolling over bread tube that's all i'm fucking known for
you want to make a video attacking me
at this time right now
then you're siding with bread to objectively
but you don't think about that do you you fucking idiot
stupid sectarian falking bitch stupid falking bitch you're literally a fucking sectarian you're literally a fucking left wing sectarian stupid bitch dude don't you falking understand the objective consequences of what you're falking doing it doesn't matter if you disagree with me about china what you're falking doing is trying to attack the guy who's fucking face is out here
who's only known for rolling over bread tube as a marxist leninist even if you think i'm a fake
that you know' fuking known for and that's the fucking guy you decided to spend your fucking time attacking why me why fucking me why because i had the fucking courage to stand up the bread to onem like you you little bitch why did you fuck and com for me why me why me i'm the foking guy growing why me i'm a small streamer right now and i'm growing why do you fuking attack me ha why me what can someone answer
wy me please someone answer why me why me why do you fucking devote your fucking energy to attack me if you're so called m l why
tell me falking why what is the falking point of attacking me if you are falking so called eml can someone falking explain it to me
i want one argument
why
why
why meeed
of all the fucking people on you tube i'm a two k sub guy and i'm fucking growing rapidly when i get to five hundred k subs then you can fucking attack me why do you do it now why do you try to kill things in their cradle because you're fucking leftist wckors sectarian bitch and every new fucking thing that has a minimum of success attached to it you have to come and attack
you know the people i'm attacking bredtube they're already established
they're established and they're corrupt they are established they're sitting on a fucking golden pile doing nothing with it their objectively doing nothing with their position
that's why i can attack them
because they're not anything new they are old
because bidings in power now there's a reason we fucking did this now
bidin god in power now sother yesterday's news were new
why do you attack us
are you curious to see what's going to become of us at least why don't you wait until you until we become corrupt then you can fucking attack us why me of all fuking people this fucking pitch fellow traveller he's fuking been around for years on you tube he's been a boring stupid fuck that entertains no one he's failed at every fucking attempt he's made to gain a huge following he's been here for years and he's still at one
subs
i've been doing this for a month and i'm at two k subs
and ever he goes to work and he goes to sleep
and the thing he's thinking about is how do i obliterate infrared
tell me someone please give me an argument on his behalf
to justify that
one focking argument
because he's a fucking fake western maoist
falking sectarian
these fake maoists are the first to shit every falking thing up they're literally autistic retarded falking people
fok western mau on i'm so fuking sick of it
this is literally how they are they go and they fuck and shit everything up
just because it's successful
like they're in charge
you know what you know what causs in a w you're a revisitors i a sitt rom
you fuck an autistic dumb pitch
holy shit
it's so fucking stupid
it's my revolutionary duty to do w stores i got to com book up ford
the revolution calls
i got all take you for red
it's my sacred duty is a always
this is the people's revolution guys protracted people's war exposed for red so we go back to buking marping in k more parking lot and doing the revolution there
come on let's expose them for red days
bucking dum fake mas bach
like they actually think that way
they actually fuck and think like n p c
falking autistic retards and they try to shit up and falk and destroy every fuking thing they come across
andy fucking thing they come across
and why
what
why
why
i'm bringing us up
i'm bringing us up
and moles
even if i'm a fake amma
the name amel i'm bringing it up
why do you attack me
we got to guys we're got to take them down we're got to take them down guys
so we you know what do me tell g i good is i be ready rid the reason why i'm a failure as a marxist in the west is because infrared is stealing the workers from me he's stealing the viewers from me if i got rid of if we got rid of that infrared guy we'd already be in power the revolution would already be here but because of his lies he's distracting people from doing the true direct action the
in our parking lot
buckan idiot
stupid fuck
this is literally how they fulking thing
stupid bucking people
and yes these are bucking bread tubers
there are different types of bread tubers
some bred tubers a liberals
some bred tubers
our fucking anarchist
some bred tubers are libertarian socialist
some bred tubers a democratic socialist
and sub bred tubers are fake maoist larpers
it's all fucking branches of bread to all fulking branches of bread to
fellow practice had to attack me right ok let's check the ready
because i want to get to this guy's fuck in the
videos and show you guys who this little bitch is so let's quickly go over the red it
you know this is a late night no one was expecting this stream
so
what's this
thing for like
for like
age of consent laws right
uh there's always going to be an arbitrary line that we set that someone is mature enough to uh
like
meaningfully consent to
sell their labor for any sort of
job right
there goes for like
consent for a good argument sex or like any kind of consent basically the make informed decisions about like what they would be getting paid versus like what they're putting into exactly exactly so like i don't know if i would set that as low as thirteen i think that maybe fourteen f sixteen like that is about the what is he talking about
what
fourteen for what is he taught it's either way it's fucked up
the fuck is he talking about
ok he said he's going to be a bit late
he just messages me so it's going to happen it's happening
it's happening tonight
by the way guys it's happening tonight
it's happening tonight
by the way this guy said i'm a clown who doesn't like to be laughed at we're going to see who's laughing at who
right i'm a clown
i'm a clown right
i'm a clown
i'm the clown guys i'm the clown
that's why i'm dressing up
as ae nine hundred sixty s maoist
red guard
as a halloween costume
but i'm the cloud
i'm the falccing clown
but yeah what di son soul
listen guys in that call they were alluding to spreading some shit in the falk and discord
so do the math
like
to spread it they either know where to get that stuff
or it's already on their computer
if they were really meaning that they were going to spread it
which i don't know
you know
i don't know but
it sounded like they were alluding to doing that to our discord
a fellow travelers going to come on
and he said he's going to make a fool of me tonight so let's see
wow
this is literally how this is what fellow travelers going to say tonight
you know
vosh's latest justificate weill save it for tomorrow
you know
we're going to deal with these fake mos tonight
and then we'll do with wash tomorrow
after tonight's
the war continues
we were marching with horses and shit and spears were marching
and then i got bit in the ankle by a fucking snake and the snake ran into a cave
and he said come what's debate and ok we're i'm walk we're going into that cave tonight
when i root this snake out from the fucking dirt
and rip it in half
no he is coming on because
this is what he because
he
said he was going to make a video obliterating me
he making that video divides us
so i'm going to deal with it
but first
i'm going to deal with this first
i'm going to expose him first
then we can see whatever video he wants to make
es
that's funny
debate in for a red i don't know who that is
ya he does
i know for a fact he knows who we are
because
we were told on switch
that
thought slimes are at the services chat
that when you type the name infrared you get banned immediately
what
what am i missing in the chat
yeah
the he knows who we are by the way
he does because they ban the
they ban you
and they say tanky when you say infrared is rising in their chat on twitter
he knows who he is are look at his face look at him
that's fear ok am i only one seeing that or what who is that
and i see nervousness and i see fear in his eyes
what do you think is
so follow up side question
why do you w why would i care
listen guys if he didn't know who we were
he wouldn't say why would i care he would be like oh who's that
he wouldn't say why would i care because what if we're friendly
you know what if were bread tubers like him if he if he doesn't if he doesn't know who we are
we could be
you know friendly people but he knows who we are he knows we're tanks that's why he's giving a hostile response
he's foulish fucking shit
hey
skip me the bear
i'm fucking coming for you dude
you're not going to skip this debate
we're going to have a debate
skippy the bear
we're having a debate
we're having a debate
we are having one
your community
it's going to
see past you
and they're going to want this debate to
because
you should be fine
you're smarter than me right and i'm a lunatic
so at best it'll it'll be be content right
skippy the bear
this is happening
this is focking happening excip me to bear
it is going to falcking ap
your community wants to see it
your community is going to see it
oh yes skip you the bear
look at your fake nervousness
keep keep hiding keep hiding dude we're still growing thoughts lime
we're still growing
how long can you keep hiding and ignoring us
uh
how long at what point when we get fifty k followers just like you on twitter
oh you're going to hear of us dude
you're not going to be able to say you don't know who we are
everyone fucking knows who we are already
all the bread to people do
whether they're admitting it publicly or not
because they can see as constant creators that we are the future
and they can see as conseentcrators
that nobody gets
a hundred and fifty views which is a low count by the way yesterday and the day before its two hundred and fifty
nobody gets one hundred fifty views with two k subs
minimum
per stream
nobody fulking gets that
ok
so
you know who we are dude
and
you can't keep running and hiding from us
you understand
i seen you dodu
i fuk and see you
skippy the bear
i fuck and see you
you understand
this is going to happen
keep trying to dodge us
keep trying to hide
keep trying to fuck and hide
at all who that is
ya you do know who that is
you fucking cope i hear the colpe in your voice i don't know who that is
yeah you do dude shut the ucker
look at him
imagine what's going through his head he knows who we are guys he does
he has folky nightmares about us
back of them up
on the full down look you're going to you're going to ca on the full down you as a fourteen year old girl to have a threeso with her yeah dude sons
sounds like
this
this is fucking fellow and me
oh my god dude
we need to get there wen fuk and get there
yeah that's who it is by the way guys this is what is morpheus
this is morphuse
it's like
watch our video the unknown culture revolution
why would you fucking wear this do not know how stupid you fucking look wearing this
do not know how fucking stupid you look wearing this
like
why would you wear it
why
it doesn't make any sense
please justify it to me
do you know how stupid it looks or no
but
do do not realize
that
that had meant something
it during the cult revolution because
that was the type of clothing they had in shit
i don't get it i don't understand
ns ale two sides of the same point let' skin this
according to s chamberlain was a good liberal who waves the flag of individual freedom indeed
we are dealing with an author who maintains that germanism
which in the final analysis is synonymous with the western world
was characterized by the resolute rejection of monarchic absolutism
yeah true
because of the wars against napoleon very true
than any view of the world
that would sacrifice the individual for the sake of community
wow
ha
m
not by chance lock is seen as the one who reelaborated the new german weltenschong
and
as for previous examples
one would be william of ackham
and another even beforem done scots who held that the individual constituted the only reality
ah okay
so now you can see why these english liberals
we're supporting nazism
now you can see
plane is fucking day
the german principle of individualism
all of this was nazi rhetoric to by the way the nazis literally had this rhetoric
they had the rhetoric that bols ofvism is destroying individual all this but it's literally bucking the psychosis of liberalism
what did i say in osss stream
hah
what did i say in vosa stream
it's the psychosis of liberalism
this shit
proves it
plan as day
plaane is fucking day yet two sides of the same coin
you got that right dude
two sides of the same
tuck and coin
gorilla
soon reread to what's this
my god
after experienceing for themselves the child running radically throughout the rest of the
is it
is anything else
ah
over a million dollars that could be teachers that could be hired that could be hospitals
i watch the
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i did see it
did see
bas soviet parenting techniques
rigid routine toughen up
with the how is downloading the
i think it's fine
he like
opinions on david harvey
culturation bmy disposition
it's an interesting concept
on
imperialism
as
a culturation by the
accumulation by destruction
hmm
acumulation by dispossession
are they the same i'm not sure
but it's interesting
which stream
is there a lot of
food
maxism is a type of surrend
yeah
yeah ain't that
yeah guys
literally i'm going to show you something
fellow traveler
look at what a dumb bitch fellow travelers
look what a stupid fuck he is
look at this
look at these comments
look at these comments
wheres this common
did he delete it
he deleted
must have deleted
let's see
now maybe it's
we have to find it
ok
did he pull this stream if so wow what a big
you stupid fox
you stupid folk
this is how smart this dumb beach is stup he's like these fucking people who are like
oh you deleted my comments it shut the fuck up
fucking idiot
nh he didn't respond
stoupd
page
he knew a yes you did i just pulled up the d m is proof
i just fucking prove the d m is proof let's check out his channel
and like is anything more
means i made
we got to tchake this ou
hat
this is cool
quality stuff to
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no w not
that was yesterday
o
thanks jason appreciate amn
ah i'm really sick
pauls gonzah
plea save the endude
e and by the way
i think we're done with the read it let's so
let's check this out
o i checked out his stream
and i
this is who we're dealing with
leadership strengthen our process
are you like
remember
creation of workers comp
hoot spots of communist and anarchistic ptures in the first place
and
because yeah thesere
that s i reterchecect
yet
look at his focking hat
look at this focking posturing
look at his attempt to look revolutionary
this is the fucking reason
he's in the show que
oh good he's in the show que ok we're ready
let's get to show on the road
he's here ok let's do this
get the show on the road
i was sick
i
madam
back over here
all right let's do this
let's do this
ok we're doing this
allright let's do it
what a bits
hello
hey what's up
yeah ok
hey you got my attention
okay cool um
so i want to kind of in things in a bit so initially i was going to have discussion with you on china
but
i actually want to kind of diffuse the drama that's kind of flared up
or go only after
you stop me in my tracks
completely wasting my time and energy
and forcing my hand into doing this when i didn't want to do oll
oh i'm sorry for forcing your hand yeah you did force my fucking ha i apologize your chance to be cordial and polite
has passed
why is the past though
it's pass now because i gave you the fucking opportunity
to go through my community and your response this was you wanted to make a video obliterating me
well i haven't produced it yet and i was going to hold off on that and so all sd you were talking about me you're calling me a clown risen like to be laughed at an absolute bitch and what else
well yeah that's because you were talking shit about me the leftisn't today dude but i l what i was hey
calm down hold on
i want to explain
things from my perspective all right
so
when i messaged you a few weeks ago on switter
you had about as third as you had about a third the subscribers i did ok and i was reaching out toe you because i saw hey this guy looks pretty cool i want to see what he's about
and
initially you seemed interested in having me on
and that's great and all
but then a few weeks pass and it you know you're ok runing training through all these bread subers and it just seems like all you're interested in is debating people so i' yeah ok know whalk it
you want to know why well
do let me finish there's what just dozens of tongal
dozens of can i please finish
goead i justmention lease will just let me finish so
you're debating all these people
and i figure fuck it if that's what he wants then i'm going to pick a topic that i know for a fact we disagree on
so i threw it out there
i had no prior knowledge of your drama with the people that got your twitch shut down
i knew absolutely nothing about it
so when you came to me
a
and you said that i had to go through your community and tell
youp
basically convince your followers to have me on
i mean considering like
you were like oh you had you have like
fewer subs of me considering like not even like three weeks ago you were a third my size
and now you're sitting here like
talking down to me telling me that i've got to go through your community sly vel to your fans in order to have me on
when i was trying to like help you and connect with you in the first place is very uncomorat because ire north so really really really and that is the reason why i got upset and reacted the way i t why did i go why did i grow three times in sizes because i i listen to you three wel well the reason why you grew three times in size is because
you went running train through all the breads yet to base i was throng and
you i should have arged on your side you
you
you put a magnifying glass on yourself and it's not all that ok you are genuinely funny and entertaining do and you know how to rouse an audience ok
it's all not all ok let me get this straight
even though i have dozens of people and i'm going to call a spade a spade some of whom i prioritize a thousand times more than you because i know them because i actually know who they are i have no fucking idea who you are
you understand
even though i put them on the back burner too because by the way i'm in law school also
and this shit has hit me like a train
this breadtube shit
i don't know where
and our growth
it's so crazy to fucking manage this ship
even though i put them on the back burner and not a single talking person did what you did
was feel so scorned and so butured and so bitter
that your fucking response to that
is hostility
well the're so malasssistic
you're so fucking narcissistic that all the things a w did that you're criticizing are why we're putting m l on the fucking map
yeah ok this is pure projection on your part let's be real dude
f like
your'm he're acting like i owe it to you to go through your fucking you don't owe me shit par but what do i owe you what do i owe you i don't owe you a fucking thing you're right well but i'm not the one i'm not the one who's coming at you you came at me
well because i didn't want to give you the time ofday because i to walking busy m
you could have just said this in the d m rather than basically telling me to go grabvele before your fans and so this is it fellow traveler you sent me a formal request to debate me and your explicit reason for that is this is the only way i get your attention i have to challenge you
well you got my attention
is this how you want to get my attention
i would have gotten to you aasally i would have gotten to eventually not going to forget about you you could you could you could just i mean just right back i'm trying to explain the sole miscommunication and trying to make amends with you but use you fired the first shot by formally challenging me to a debate and i gave you my formal professional answer back you formally challenge me to a debate i gave you my formal policy and i reiterated these are the rules
rules i laid out tonight why should i have made an exception for you when you formally challenge you you didn't you didn't you didn't clarify enough for me because i didn't know the content t's read m because right now it just sounds to me like
like i'm going to be real if you do it just sounds to me like you're just chasing cloud and you care more about building an autoright you're right i
keep giving your left is bullshit because you love failure and you hate success
of course i'm fucking chasing cloud you fucking idiot
i'm put it i sit on the foking map
first and foremost i'm concerned with growing yes
it success the way you're doing it look at the way you're doing it dude look at the kind of community you're building i see a lot of fucking toxicity i and give a lot it comes out of your community because of the way that you
e the way you convey the message yeah and i right now right now it's a war between us and bread tube and you're taking your side
you sound like sunsul right now what your community so tgs the fuck up ititch
then likeh go here matters because if you're trying to reach people you're not going to do it by acting like a crazy lunatic but i'm doing it anyway i'm ing it anyway but i'm only know how to do with that'slate dude you don't know how to have a straight conversation and i don't because i don't oe you a fucking com nice conversation fucking ashole
and i'm going anyway so what kind of advice is that
you think i'm going to be nice to you know why so i can set the example that anybody w wants to coman growing and i'm going to be nice you nyeah this is how you get attention from haz first attack me and then when you come on and talk to you we're going to be friendly and polite is that what you fucking think the president i'm going to set no left no i'm going tot you i dot iill trying to ring things back you're not going to it's not going to be successful
you're right i can see that now yeah everybody record this conversation it is be recorded keep this on keep this on the map i just want this to be on the record
i was the one who tried to big big st fact that you're on here now is a fucking act of war i didn't want to fucking have you want or debate you about this shit you force my fucking hand this is the attention you sought and we sre i such call me names a you right you want to make a dto a literarly you ask for war you're fucking green you're fucking green why do you have such an altitude about yourself because i've been
this longer than you probably how long have you know you' fussing haven't i ho long you're going to going to have you've been here like what two three months no i'veen public to three months nobody know you were like a mong exactly but now they do don't thein
yeat yeah like i said you ran rough shot over bread tu yes chased the cla you ar yet all the big brass you berds yeah you're wow yeah and that's why that's why i'm be rod's why i'm beg because instead of attacking other m ls like a pussy i go after the big fish
that's what i fucking do you're right w not wh goes after the fucking on up and coming streamer
who's doing a minimum success and represents something new i don't go after those w of fish i go af the bigan established ones you go after other mmls just because they're more successful than you and you're jealous twy percent dude you are the first time i have ever addressed or gone after another marxist leninist and yes your giantkt the first time and the reason of i i the reasy the first time the reason first time you're doing this is dedicated to addressing
bread soup the rest of it is dedicated and how successful a bks how successful have you been
do some st riticism you've been around for two n not then why the thought you have left not always about the sub counts dude it's t me it is to me it is to me it is it is out of the fuse of community no no as notd you as a comrades beat other i'm not comrade you talking larper yet you are not our comrade i'm not a fuk comrade and ca mart marking lot but you wear a mou hat
mrt parking lot and when they get called out on their bolts you know you wear a mou hat and larp in the fulk in k mart parking lot doing your direct action revolution and i'm your comrade fuck you bitch you're just like these bread two people in my fucking eyes you're the same
you are my falking enemy
you are my enemy
well i'm sorry you think that it's a fact you are buk you i mean we could have been friends we will never be y friend thats once you will never be my friend you will never be my friend
you will never be my friend
friendso i love g i love i love that insult fellow coucker
fellow couck yeah you it's what i wan if you're going to insult me dude i just please you're going to what you got give what you got go i'm just saying if you're going to insult me yeah then you could at least come up with one where you're not also insulting yourself because i'm little if you don't know it or not
the implication behind calling me a fellow cock
implies that you too are a cop i called you photo i would coor
yeah fellow fellow cock yeah and i'm a cock j it doesn't mean you're my fellow it means that's your name you're someone's fellow fellow cockler to breadtube your bread tubes fellow cockler see how words a different meanings if you really if you really youan rered coker
i'm very sorry that you believe that
n i know that i know that you are bread tou you are bred o jon bread yes you are bred you you are bred to i'm the m l who took on bread tube and you're the m l who bit me in the fucking ankle for it
just because i don't want to talk to you aut china right now just because i don't want to talk to you about china right now and i aready owed and it's my e it's my i bond of my honor i already promised comrade king i'm going to debate i about china and have a friendly discussion that's ay schedulely could but you needed the attention it's all about you you wanted to be treated special right you
it projecting ha i'm still dealing with a san suling sansul is making ing sounsul all about the clout you're all about the blood supports you don't give a fuck about the movement oh sure sure sansul is making a fucking video about me as we speak
i'm still he i am still in the fucking heat of this and you share this im sare now because it's so fucking narcissistic
i'll share it around just because you're an asshole he jack go ahead share it roun thissten i can't wait for your video please edit it put all the effort you can in editing it because i'm going to want do't i don't even think i need to make the video andk we're just gouse you're digging your own grave so am i burying yourself i don't give a fight alienating i ust i trust my not going to go track i trust you not truth you're not going to attract allies you have many cults i have
allies i have allies
you have cultist i have i have calt this is that true i callt yeat yeah de they all rim your asshole in the server uncritically you like noo proby like me they like me because i fight for them against the true enemy youth andre no reason youre fight other mos like a bach in a mir i took on bread to of course they like me for that of course like me b the fact that i
god's big names you take on other anmals
your little hug box misfit your little hug box of misfit toys
keep insulting my community see how far it gets you
well i mean frankly if the kind of people that you're attracting are a bunch of racists and transfobes ok like shit on aooys red to bread tube has been revealed we're all racis i transfosed not do know we not not we t rightle talll guys guys remember when i told them here se
you see in trance folk telling me this shit that i don't what i told you it's do he bread you remember it building it's a branch of bread terrible optics you remember when i told you guys it's a branch of bd to remember when i told you that it's a branch of bread tube i told you that now he's deep thirting my great its because i'm going to comminate you can all de a little bitch right
and lisad you don't even w a little bit all not you don't have it go over me you're not going to see it caver me
you called me you call one little you don't even have the balls to fuck and forgive me and like put this shit asideas balls to forgive you so i could set the precedent that anyone who comes in attacks me i want to be their friend and bring mch youo free clok oh you're geting the attention you're getting the attention that youus you're fucking reckor holy shit on the record guys on the record who fired the first shot though me or you
you really really you were planning on making a video to attack me had i not seen it in pt o out you would have already made it
don't worry bro i'm not going to make a video about no make it i don't care no because we're doing is now that's hired but i call are planning on attacking me in my momental weakness
you were running on attacking him i wasn't a weitness but on the record you're paranoid you're insane
ok let's talk ok we let's bring up the evidence let's bring up the evidence before he deletes it bring up the evidence
what fucking evidence hey can someone download the stream like seriously don't worry the streams not one nowhere everyone's ss yet yeat keep it up mother fucker serious unless they take it down because i played that song
yeah download the stream keep the shit up all right i want everyone to see the i do
yeah i'm wise off the edge
hey
hey and fred
uh pay has how much can you bench
how much can you bunch
three hundred thirty pounds you i've never done my max i only done how many i can do of ten
oh okay
ah what can he do of ten to twenty five
oh not bad dude
you probably hit around three hundred and fifteen thousan three hundred and twenty so ok but i was aen your stupid qut its even match ok cool what was one of question
my sens is probably bi than youyers
eight
hey has
you're such a bad us right
whyn't we whyt we settle this in a cage
no dude come to me if you want to fight me you actually have to fly over to me you do the effort and come to me i'm not getting i'm not gets i'm an in dog
you roll mat you box you roll mat dog
you want to fight me one on one is that what you want
ss a le methic box you such a pathetic pussy look at this fuck and clout hungry pussy and he wants the fuck in do a jake paul fight
dude first you have to be like jake fall jake paul and have his subscribers if you want to fucking fight me
who who the fuck are you why would i fight you
like they're not going to go anything it's not going to give me anything
well i mean it would show that you're man enough to stop nso you're man enough if you do you mend yourself in the fones of stuf i fuck up back in my day
yeah men didn't cry and whine like little twelve year old boys because someone insulted them on the internet
when did i cry why i just called you a bitch and re
you've been you've been crying and whining this entire time and have been crying
well you're calm now but sounds like you're ight mike sove been gorying you've been crying dude you beg for my forgiveness i'm not giving it to you b i didn'tit i didn't beg for your you got o s and i kick ar y face you got on your knees in front of me and i kicked dirt in your face
now m needed why don't we why don't we have that cage match due whyn't we so wh i would i have a cage match with you why would i spend my time
training or doing all the shits for you what would i do that for you it's why would i do that
i'm a little bitch right i'm a little push you are one where you are settled with the cage you are settled in the cage no i'm not going to settle in the cage fuck you why would ik why would i spend time on record you won't fight me
oh i will fight you but you have to be the one to cat to put the first thing you have to find me and you know then we can see
oh i have to find you i sre well i can give you actually i can give you my general location in the d ms
you have to come here and i'll be again i'll be at the grocery store this time
and no one's going to be around
you have an opportunity to pull up
and you can deal with me however you feel not that i'm talking in the cage mother foker're not talking on the streets
youre i would why would i why would i waste my time tomnuy
you're you're going to school for law school i'm not going to let you trap me like that we're signing waivers in the fucking ca know do you think i'm going to to tch you're going to ma shou you think i'm a snitch you're going to do it you think i'm a snitch
dude you're in law school
so what
so i'm assuming you're going to school to be a lawyer no not necessarily
i'm not going to walk up to you and punch you in the middle of the streets ok that you ca can walk up you can walk up to me and you can say
you can just you don't have to sucker punch me but you can you know you can instigate something if you find me
yes i defend myself i yes and listen thislisen physically i would defend myself
right i'm not going to go in a cage with you for what
for what do i gain from that
i have to gain something
oh would you want me to put up money i'll match you i'll match two grand
two grands not enough for me
oh how much is enough for you
to do that
ten k yeah
ten k how much how much is enough for the great has you have to understand and i'm not i can't afford to go to law school like you i don't have that keep crying keep crying keep crying like a gil f
think i give a fuck
all right well tell you what why don't we why don't we talk about china all right ok i
we let's talk about china by the way let me lay the rules
if i speak and you interrupt me
you get muted no one's going to
how do you how do you like that
oh so
yeah all right but you get to interrupt me an infinite number of times got it if i if i can complete the sentence and i know what you're going to say i'm probably going toterrupt you
because i don't w my time wasted remembery on my stream
but you can prove you can prove that i interrupted you and you were actually going to make a point
that i didn't predict
and the i look stupid
well so there's that
but i usually know what kind of point you're going to make
well let me pose a question yea all right
let me start by posing a question
yeah what
what do you define as socialist
two
oh
dude it's the frogy first thing you said do you not know who i am
ya
you're the great oz you don't know who i am it's the first ager to say did i tell you w is i was going to go but i prepared for this i don't know whats was you didn't take me by surprise if that's what your question is
but i just want to wt i thought you were going to be more creative i just thought more creative
so you wanted to challenge me
but you didn't do any homework on me you just liked my clout
you didn't care about you know no no dude because
the thing is you were debating this one person and you said socialism isn't worker ownership that means it's not and you you have a different definition so i want to know what your definition of socialism to me my definition of socialism is based on
how it has been used
historically
concretely
which is how
where do you want to start in the nineteenth century
well just give me a definition and we can run with it
you give me your definition i can give you mine and then we can tie w no but i know your definition because i watched your video on the u s a sar you have five points
you define socialism i have five characteristics but we can y five ones you apply as by the way all stupid a my sicks and shuld i even granted you a sticks and a goes we can go one through five we can go one abolition of general shut up shut up shut up shut up
i know your five characteristics we can go through one through five and i can prove to you that even based on your own definition you cannot sustain the view that china is a source but we're not going to get t we're not going to get here yet first and foremost
i want to establish
this notion that you can pull socialism you can establish the premises of what the definition of socialism is even though that word has meaning for over a billion of chinese people in a unique way but you're saying they're all wrong it's false socialism you have the correct socialism right
well you have the right definition it shoul dedrive are i mean ask a question materials to question
where do definitions come from are they based on definitions defined in reality itself
or are they based on things you pull out of your ass and create five points by the way why five why not six and seven
or eight
why flive
well because i was just giving a general list of guidelines based on my reading we the was s richer ok but you i wre i reding i you're reading you don't know anything what you're talking about though
why five why not some of those should have been combined two by the way there's no reason there was five why five yeah yes an arbitrary number
i was trying
i was just simply trying to lay out a list of guidelines to define my terms all right
we can simplify it more than that
but
i just want i just want us to i will define socialism for you ready
a mode of production
that explicitly
is defined
by the social ends
by social ends
simple
and mode of production
moteve production lose our productions production
is defined
whose mode i should say is defined
by social ends
a mode of production whose mode is defined by social ends
simple
all right is that obscure interesst in word salad
yeah incredibly a mode of production whose mode is defined by social ends
you had five points of word salad i had a simple
two bit sentence
i had clear cut
we're going to go through we're going to right now right now we're going to we we can we can we can know explain to me what the social ends are
what what social and he doesn't matter what they are
they are social no it doesn't they are social ends
that's it
ok well ok where was marks established the content of those social mo
it
if we can't reach like a common definition that we can agree upon i don't see a point we're not going to that's the whole point because this is we're not going to if
if we can't have an agreed concrete definition of what socialism is
then you can just say iness you would go with on definitions
yeah i definitely should ard a crime a man of science i'm concerned you're not a man of science you're a man of bullshit
you're fucking larper you're not a man of science a the fok all right all right whatever what is marx establishes the social ens
do you know that
all right what are this why don't you just tell me what the social ends are are you talking about who it's in the loking name the social ends are just social ends no there is no predefined content of what those social ends will happen to be because those social ends will differ across time and place
you caking the social ends for example will differ in one nine hundred thirty s u s o
as compared to what eighteen seventies
you're up
they will differ across time and place
right
that ex just matters that the ends are social
all right well do you know what capitalism is you think capitalism is based on social enes
cat any kind
capitalism is an economic system
based on the private ownership of the means of production money markets and generalized commodity production
it emerged in the early eighteenth century
and is
as it becomes more advanced
it starts to look more and more like socialism ok companies going ok corporation and capital capital
capital listen you can't just you can't just gt that you're wasting my time because you're wasting my time i'm simplifying you how know you can't just cut me off in in aightsapoint supoint like the other guy please waste my time
finish your point go ahead all i was trying to do was clarify what capitalism was and go on to differentiate
all right
so
i'm going to go ahead and give you my definition of socialism one sentence here we go
all right
it's a economic characterized
an economic mode characterized by the social or common ownership
of the means of production
guided by a general economic plan drafted preferably democratically as possible
and salad working towards the abolition of commodity production
and that's the biggest piece of bills ard salad whatsoever sat simon didn't say shit about
fucking commodity production none of the socialists in the nineteenth century who actually were responsible for the genesis of the word didn't speak about all the shit you're talking about the only way you can simplify the meaning of socialism across every single use in which it has been given meaning is simple a mode of production in which the mode is defined by social ends
that's how you encompass the diversity of the meanings given to the word
but i did even then it's fucking weduct why are we why are we i thought we were marxs a stud why are we going off saint simon's definition w go mar mark marx did not invent his own socialism
no he called himself a communist to differentiate himself marks but yes but marx called communism marve of communism as an actual reality
not he didn't create his own
he spoke of it as something objective
in reality
but but here's the thing all right buddy
m even if you go back to the i want to ask you a question
where does mark talk about abolishing commodity production well we'll get so that no get to it night where does he do it n no no let me he don't do anywhere not anywhere he never speaks of abolishing it anywhere
let me get to the utopians and then we'll talk about that
all right even the utopians had a general idea
about distribution according to need what is a commodity
it is a good that is being brought to a market
for the purpose of being sold
you're fucking child d i know sorry what
soy what you're talking about the history of hoping socialism even there's no fucking reason to do that because i'm trying to get this fucking conversation along it is boring a shit out of me
well how is it how is it a bord its not specific enough just say for social ends and that'll en compass everything
that a literally encompass everything just say for social ends
but that's so nebulous i want i want concrete definition there's yours is not concrete yours a unch of vi on you are is not coningvery here
you said earlier like that you talked about the social ends meaning literally fucking anything no it means social ends it means ends which are social rather than for example anti social and just based on abstraction which is what money is
you not moant capitalism is capitalism is m c m the end of the circuit is just more money what is more money according to marx our money is alienated human ability what is this alienated human ability it is purely abstract
purely abstractly alienated human ability that is not repurposed in a determinate way
it's not determinanate it's alienated it's just abstract it follows english locky in metaphysics all that shit is related
it's liberalism and i writes for its own saye and i gt writes for its own sake money for its own sake
that's what it is dude we're all talking about the same thing here
i know and when i look at china's economy i see a lot more of that behavior resembled than i do but there is n't precisely none of that behavior
there's re see we a that behavior what are you talking about du there they have stock markets they have a capital yes they do es they do but there is no money for money's own sake
the own prophet in china does not mean what it meant in the nineteenth century
profit in china is it is an extension of economic planning it's an index it's a measure of the profitability
are of the success or failure of an enterprise and by the way that was also the measure that the soviet union had to use and china before angs reforms had to use they had to deal with this issue do not realize that
profit
is not just about accumulating money for its own sake but is an actual indication
it's o it's an it's an easan indication of whether you are gein gaining more than you are putting in
yeah it's simply case have that but but yeah and within the soviet union profits had no bearing on the success the necessarily the success no real in china by same thing china the same thing if china wants to keep a a company afloat despite that it's going bankrupt it will if china wants to destroy an industry or a company despite that it's doing successful it will and it has
yeah but you also have to look at the way they behave as well because ok how do you behave go ahead fill a traveler
well for one you have capitalists in them and shareholders that maan billions of fucking dollars wit thing aut billionss reaping massive fucking profits no not was who i don't know what money is another thing no n n no i on that point i want to go i'm not going to other thing i think io what i'm sying we're going to a dress that point not that i wy ok first address this point
regarding his business of capitalists
again
in china
there's a capitals class
no no but you can't say that there's a capitalist class you can't say that
yes reional marx a sense you can't
the billionaires in china is a misleading word
billion are the are they not capitalist because if they liquidate their shares
all their value is lost
it's just that they own listen you can critique that and in china there's a discussion and critique going on
not everything in china by the way
chinese marxist do not justify everything that exists in china there's things
that they have discussions about and they do discuss but as far as billionaires in china are concerned it's because they have a majority of shares but they're not free to do what they want
with those shares their controlled
heavily by the government that's why jack moss said when you make more than ten million r and b whatever the currency is
you no longer are accumulating wealth you're ac cumulating pressure
the party is on your focking back
the government is on your fucking back
everything you do is controlled
ok
it's not how like what you're saying there's like a there's like a capitalist class and it's not like that dude it's just not
okay well you can have a well
a well established strong firm grip
on the way your capitalist market economy functions and it would still be capitalist w mark
you s you cannot call it capitalis you are literally saying socialism is when the government does stuff
that when did i say that you're saying when did i say that actually i said in china the government says that the state has their fucking dick in everyone's business but you but the reason i said that is because in china
ultimately
ultimately everything serves a social answer
i
so what about them suicide nets to those serve social ends first of all as far as i'm con as far as i know
as far as i know
please get you gridy your feedback as far as i know
that was a taiwanese company
ok but even then maybe there was a horrendous workplace culture within china
actually
chinese people are now debating and discussing and critiquing the nine nine six workplace culture that's completely fine
but just because china's workplace culture and by the way the only people who have a right to critique it are chinese people by the way
but
even if that's the case
that does not alone negate
the legitimacy of chinese socialism as socialism
there are problems in socialism
and by the way what you're talking about is cultural
the idea that socialism can be reduced to culture which is what you do because you wear a maw hat and you're a larper so that obviously that's what you think
but socialism isn't reducible to culture ultimately socialism is about
the objective material relations and forces of production ok
what that looks like in terms of culture
it's an open struggle it's an open discussion
and nothing's going to automatically solve that
i'm not i'm not concerned with the culture i'm concerned with the way the economy actually operates how does it onerate this is an exxt at the end at the end of the day
w follow some re let me ask you a question
in order to have a thriving
economy within the context of capitalism you need to some extent
have a thriving capitalist class which china does their number two in the world for a number of billionaires that's oks mention ight their billionaires you didn't necessarily establish that there's a ruling capitalist class within china
well in order to establish there's a ruling capitalist class within china and you have to as you have to establish how there ll comes at the expense of the ins do let me
fucking talk holy shape pleas do
but anyways as i was saying
that the fact that there are even billionaires the fact there are landlords the fact that you have people profhits hearing like this the way that they do emplt implicates to some extent that
the chinese government has to accommodate them and their business interests on some level
so yet no there are definitely proletarian elements within the c c p there' is more ideological diversity in the c c p than the republican and democratic parties combine
but
there but the thing is that
there's never been a country that's been able to do to truly go from reform its way from a capitalist
economy to a socialist economy
all right it's never been doner it does it i've got to see it to believe it of china does it
where you are mistaken in the meaning ofver first of all there's a few things i have to address there's a few things i have to address
the first thing is that
there may be
profit and all this kind of stuff within shina and by the way it's really really misleading to say that there's landlords because
the government in china owns all land
the only exceptions out for let me speak here speak you only the only exception that's been made to that recently is that individual apartment units
can be privately owned as far as i read in the chinese property law
but the government owns all land technically speaking
ok
when you're saying there is a landlord and there's a capitalist class
i don't want to get into the semantics
but in order for you to establish that this is the ruling class you have to establish that the chinese state accommodates them in such a way that comes at the expense of the people
but the numbers show
as we can see
that the rule of the c c p
and these reforms corresponded
two
the rising of the chinese people's living standards and now with this poverty alleviation program
you know things by the way which have come at the expense of the capitalist class and you know wait wen you establish
the capcal i
you sut the fuck up and let me finish i let you finish so you have to let me finish
you're throwing a million things in ing to mute you are going to mut you
i let you finish you let me finish
i'm going to meet you the wdise fucking games with me i'm trying to address you need to let me finish first write it down if you're going to forget
you need to let me finish first
you need to let me finish first
you have to establish
that if there's a ruling capitalist class in china
that the state rules on behalf of their private interests
but you cannot establish that because time and time again it's being proven especially with this whole jack mob business a lot of people used to say that the new ruling class in china
were these tech people like jack mann that
but it's proven proven the chinese state clamped down on them to add no there is no capitalist class in china
that whose interests are uncondition who rule as the private interests
as the state that's the first thing
the second thing the second thing running reformersm
you're mistaken
political reformism ok
with the gradual economic transformation
that corresponds to what socialism and communism is
neither marks nor angles put forward the idea
that capitalism is just going to disappear overnight
ok it's
laid out
quite plainly in the communist manifesto
it's laid out quite plainly across the body of work of marx and angles that following the proletarian dictatorship and it's not reformism by the way because reformism is political not economic
economically speaking
the material relations and forces of production change at a pace and at a scale that is different from the political
pace ok politics yes you can conquer the state in a week or something like lennon said right
material relations of
production
because they're objective and they're not based on our subjective stance in any kind of way
the scale at which those transform
is beyond the purview of individuality
you'uro western individualist cultural revolution larper
and so you think that socialism
arrives at a scale
at a scale accessible and within the phenomenal purview
of your individual point of view
if i can't grasp it individually then it's not socialism
socialism is
is happening in china
there is a fundamental transformation
occurring in china there is a dissolution of the fundamental contradictions that give rise to commodity production
that's happening in china it's just happening at it scale of time that is beyond individual lifeespans that is beyond individual experience
and
this
individualism of yours is uniquely western because all asian societies recognize
that
real change
real being real transformation is beyond the individual but you're an individualist cartesian that's a problem god
all right
so there's quite a bit
that
you sad here so i just
did a couple quick bull points i'd like to talk about
increasing living standards dangists love to bring this up all the time so
let's go ahead and tackle that yes
industrialization modernization and advancing science and technology has the general consequence of improving the general levels of wealth and money just general levels of wealth in society as indeed true
capitalism can in fact do that and seeing the import of capital coming in from the west china opening up to the west and inviting all these foreign corporations in you have seen the very rapid growth in proletariz proletarianization and modernization of china
you've also seen the unequal modernization of china as as i've stated before
theyir number two in the world for a number of billionaires so keep that in mind
as for the whole thing on landlords not owning the land
i get that
the chinese government actually owns the land
but the thing is that they're leasing it out for a really really really really really really a really long time to the landlords and the landlords are still there profits carrying off that they might pay a land tax the chinese system is i'
i mean it sounds gorgeous to me but i'm not sure um
as for the whole thing on chinese capitalists have no power
just to let you know haz
there's lobbying that goes on in the c c p
all business and all law that's like done
is within the context of the c c p it's all done within the context of the c c p
so if you've got like
liberal interests and like private interests working within the c c p
then that implicates that
on some level they must be compromised
ninety one million people in the party not all of them are actually ideologically committed con
and lastly
o
as for this transition from socialism to communism
this i mean that's even implying they were so theyre socialist in the first place i mean i'm goe to argue they were socialist under mouth
but then like after the after
the passing of mound the gang of four
and the the
in the opening up to the west i mean what dang he fuck and smashed
i i he smashed the iron rice bowl he broke up the communes he invited a bunch of foreign corporations over to exploit chinese workers he uh
yeat he liberalized and he put a knife in the back of the soviet union the world's number one socialist superpower at the time so yeah i know the chinese totally have betrayed international solidarity and fucked over the movement
for their own national chauvinism and
you know for their own personal interests
so yeah i mean i don't really have anything else to say besides that ok
one through five
first point about increasing living standards you're attributing this just to modernization and capitalism and industrialization
that might make sense if the only s increase in the standard of living was the brief period of the rise
the initial burst in shock
of opening up foreign capital what are you talking about with deank
but it' is clear that the chinese government has made it its consistent policy
to steer the development of china in a way that is in the favor
of the of the majority of chinese people
it's not it's cannot
explain anything if you just say it's the random
spontaneous anarchy of the market that corresponds to modernization
which is what happened in the nineteenth century
so this is not enough to explain
the tremendous rise in the standard of living on the chinese people and even does a worse job in explaining the recent program
of dang of ping's poverty alleviation programs
that could possibly be explained its always is the consequence of modernization that doesn't make any sense whatsoever the modernization has happened
for decades
ok at a certain point after modernization reaches a certain threshold in which people's living standards stop being substantially improved
now in the west
the only reason the people's living standards went up is for a combination of factors the soviet union the trade union movement all that kind of stuff the political class struggle and the economic class struggle
in china there has been a consistent improvement
and rise in the stt people's standard of living so as to prevent widespread poper iszation the type of poper iszation that does correspond
to proletarianization
furthermore you the accusation of proli syrianization is dubious
and there's a few reasons for this
there is a phenomena of the who cos system and migrants coming from the country going into the cities but those people still have land back in the countryside as the social safety net
now the xi jin ping era has actually precisely corresponded to the growth
of a new middle class
which is no longer
no longer tied down strictly to agricultural land
but is now being given and housed in new forms of housing this is in essence
what the poverty alleviation program is so there has never been actually in china
the type of pauprization and prove proletarianization that occurred in the nineteenthd century
because
two reasons
like i already mentioned
the ownership of land in the countryside which is a social safety net that didn't happen in england ine europe
they were kicked out of the lander they had fucky nothing they were living on the streets
with nothing to nothing to support them
at to
there's a new found
efforts to create a new social safety net so proletarianization
has been precisely avoided in china
regarding wealth and equality it's an issue that is being brought up within china itself within the party itself and its being discussed among the chinese people itself
now wealth inequality may be an indication of something bad or something indicating something bad that's up to the chinese people
but it does not tell us anything about whether china can be meaningfully called
socialist or not
wealth and equality
does not is not a way to define fundamental relations and forces of production it's just not
it's about
how by the way what wealth is in china
is
how much money you have how much assets you own things
owned w printed in quotation marks because nobody actually really owns
anything in china in the classical liberal
a sense
mmhm
ownership is heavily heavily oriented
toward the obligation and duty to fulfill social aims so there's no blank check type of ownership
and i do people because it was like that in america too yeah but in china it's completely different
than in even in a then in america
it's not simply that you can own things but you also have to pay taxes and there's regulations stuff
all forms of ownership in china ultimately are forced
to whether directly or indirectly
serve the purpose of some kind of established social eny number two
regarding this whole things about landlords and they have to lease it out for a long time
that's not really my point the whole point is that when you're meaningfully speaking of a landlord class
a a a r
if all land in china is owned by the government what that means that at any given time
they can be dispossessed of that land if they're not using it in a way that serves social rights
the government ultimately owns all land means all land must serve the purpose of benefiting the whole people so to say that there's a landlord class in the same way that there was before is extremely misleading
ok yes there's people who rent out of apartments and properties and all that kind of stuff to other people
that does exist in china
but to say that you know that's the exact same thing as a landlord class it's pretty mislead
and it does by the way that doesn't also tell us anything that doesn't address the fundamental point about
how is it that it can be said
that the government the state
supports the interests of landlords
over the at the expense of the people in the ultimate and final sense regardle chinese capital well you have to let me finish actually
regarding chinese capitalists having no power in the fact there's lobbying within the c c p
there's all sorts of factions that happen within the c c p
but what defines whether china is socialist or whether it has a capitalist ruling class is if those interests can ultimately preponderate in actually defining
the c c p s ultimate policies but what we've seen is the consistent track record of history
is that
the party the chinese communist party
to use the leninis phrase bends the stick straight they keep a straight line
they keep focused on their ultimate aim
of developing the forces of production and benefiting the whole people
and those elements you're talking about ultimately never succeed in gaining hegeminy
now they do exist there's liberal elements in the party
and there's also leftist elements within the party
the party is fundamentally centrist in the bolshevick sense
okay
it balances all the different kinds of interests it never gives way or let's allows one interest to hold sway
and uh this is in
this is in keeping with
the confucian type of whatever values that
our spoused in china
and now regarding this thing they weren't socialist in the first place and they were only sourcials onun theer mouth this is actually completely arbitrary
it cannot be meaningfully said that china ceased to be socialist
because dang got rid of the people's communes
because
be as marx put on i can read the passage of marx right now
socialism or communism is not actually defined
by some type of determinant site in which there's a collective ownership you want me to read the i can actually read out
the thing from marxs
right now
you see well the issu i'm going to read it i'm going to read it out mater man know where it's from
yes i do know where it's from the thingk for marks
yeah man i a proberty in communism you can pull it up and read it yourself
let's see
i know what i'm looking for
it's right here
um
right here ok the entire movement of history is therefore both the actual act of creation of communism
the birth of its empirical existence and
for its thinking consciousness the comprehended a known movement of its becoming
whereas the other communism which is not yet fully developed
sikhs in isolated historical forms opposed to private property rego in this case the communes
a historical proof for itself
a proof drawn from that already exists
by wretching isolated moments from their proper places
in the process of development a hobby horse cabet vill villa ger dell
particularly like to ride
and advancing them as proofs of its historical pedigree
but all it succeeds in showing is that
be far greater part of this development contradicts its assertions
and that if it did not once exist
then the very fact that it exists in the past refutes the claims to essential being
marxism pretty much point here is that communism cannot be thought of
as being a
only
being at this sighte of
you know there's some commune or some type of
you know
isolated moment or some type of a
isolated historical form
communism has to be taken from a more holistic perspective
which can't just say oh they got rid of communes or they got rid of the cool causees something like that and therefore it's not communism
this again is committing the eror marxis talking about communism isn't just about this
it's about
what is common that's relevant to communism
is at a high this is a very a hard text to comprehend but i think this paragraph in particular
addresses the specific point
that the smashing of the communes the getting rid of the ice rice bill in the communes
is proof that socialism collapsed it's just not true because socialism isn't reducible to those
now regarding this business about inviting foreign corporations
you simply do not understand
how trade wars of the modern era happened
western moralists actually are the ones who think
that
foreign corporations are exploit a go and exploit people all the time in other countries
this isn't the main way exploitation actually happens because
what those this is going to sound like i'm a conservative 'm a right winger but this is the plain face fact of the era of trade wars
the people who benefit
are the ones who are industrializing themselves not just because it's providing steady jobs and stu but because china is establishing the fort repductive forces
meanwhile in the united states there was a de industrialization that was happening at the same time
who was benefiting you know
the america's economy and its people
we're going through a d industrialization precisely because they were not being quote unquote exploited
like how you're saying
so you are simply very ignorant about the era of trade wars and i know you're going to twist my words but oh so you're basically saying that all this sweatshops and stuff is good and it's not what i'm saying i'm just trying to say that your narrow view
of how o
true economic predatory whatever things work is very outdated and
very western centric too because you have this western moralistic view
and china is laughing its way to the bank at you for
i
now regarding this betrayal this gjeo politics of the
the betrayal of the soviet union
this is a more difficult issue and a more complicated topic and i'm going to talk about it with comrade king
but all i can say is that
chid the the one who started this and the one who was actually more aggressive on this point i would argue was mao under mao
there was a real and distinct possibility that there was going to be an all out war
between the soviet union
and china soviet officials were anticipating and viasion of mass chinese infantry
into the soviet union under maw at the height of the cultural revolution
dengs people actually
represented the soviet created and sovit backed chinese institutions
who
built up the most initial form of chinese sozan before mao introduced the uniquely
a chinese one
if anything dengs people were a little bit
more soft on the soviet union
then maw
it you can't forget that the reproachment with the united states began undermunt when he met with nixon
so if this is some kind of proof that china isn't socialist
you can't meaningfully say it was socialist under mao either
because i was the one who began the repproachment with the soviet union ok it's your turn go ahead
all right all right so
i want to try and narrow down the number of topics that we are talking about because i feel like the longer that we talk
the longer i talk and clarify my points
the more you counter and there's just more things for me to have to address so i'm going to have i'm going to try to
narrow this all down as quickly as i possibly can and
reply to
what have made bullet points of
all right so
and concerning their their growth
what was it you said about their growth again that it was very quickly it wasn't just industrialization it was just what the power of chinese socialism or whatever
just the build up of productive forces
what do you mean you see you're talking about
the only reason there was an increase for china's standard of living was the fact that there was just an initial type of modernization well i mean i argue that
it's really just industrialization modernization no it's not science
it's a bullshit liker no
well i mean
the directs material mode of production tends to affecting adress my argument are going just argument that i made though that at a certain threshold
that benefit is exhausted there's a widespread propersation that didn't happen in china
and that ah you gon to possibly explain
the growth in the standard of living that actually
happened across chinese history since dens reform and opening up
strictly on the basis of some type of spwn that this was actually directed and focused and planned by the chinese government the modernization that happened
it wasn't just the inevitable result of capitalist modernization o yeah yeah i know i know the billion the hundreds of millions of chinese people went from living on two dollars a day to four dollars a day
i know massive improvement well you know what there has been a substantial imput me let me do you want to know that or we can get into that do you want to deny well have any well ok so
the reason why china's economy has grown as quickly as it has is because they have massive
massive
of reserves of untapped labor india have does so does india
they have room to grow and they will grow for decades to come think inda you think india can grow as quickly as china did and it's going to be like that
i mean india's going to grow rather quickly maybe not as fast as china
what
because their political apparatus isn't as efficient as there us and you think a and you think india's
people will res are going to go through this poupzation
aren't going to go through any type of widespread poprization anarchy of production
but they probably they probably will actually when there really global when there is't
the reason why china has in exxperienced business cycles
is because they have all these markets to tap into they have markets in the united states they have markets
to
in all in south america they have markets literally everywhere where they can undercut local production and sell their cheap consumer goods so like america do that thatn't save america in two thousand and eight china never experienced a crisis to this day
because nobody in america wants to work in a factory for seventy hours a week getting paid like you all i just said that the reason shine are through the boom and bus cycles is because it's a it's and it's a globalized world but it's a gized world for everybody that's not an adequate excuse well well yeah because the
the rate of exploitation is so much higher in china
i mean why i thought it was outside of china that we're talking about why in china that there's a diversity of markets you just mentioned that china goes to other countries and sells its cheap o x they export
it's not just in in it's not just within it only china has cheap labor that's why china didn't go through a crisis because it has cheap lyb cheaper cheap it's cheaper to pay someone like
pennies an hour in china to produce shoes rather than someone simper in africa india cu it's cheaper elsewhere like
's actually sheor other other places now
then in china
and they did they can't avoid these crisis is the crisiss hit them hard to
yeah yeah and believe it or not china suffers recessions as well i believe they have one in two thousand and fourteen and tw thusan eight the global market gotut that there whatever recessions china has are immediately offset by the state unlikell the united states
yeah like i said they have a very they have a very well
organized tightly well lubricated centralized political so you would deny that there's an are you going to say there's an anarchy of production in china
i mean to an extent there is but
chinese government
i mean
you're going to have business cycles within a market economy that it's trying to say that's an anarchy of production
well
well here's the thing i
there is er well they're producing commodities right they have their commodity production they're producing towards profit all right they're producings are not producing trans profit let me let me let me create a hypothetical situation or fairly realistic but not that realistic hypothetical situation all right
so let's say america reindustrialized and we started producing all of our own stuff
all right and nical
only with socialism can i do that
ok well let's say america does all right with servi
we start producing sure we start producing all of our own stuff again
and we start becoming ane export
do you realize like that would actually fuk
the chinese economy because of how much they rely on importing to us like how much stuff they produce for us all the cheap consumer goods
do you realize like that would
fuck them and cause a recession and immediate but but that's why china wants to create a new global order work countries and economies coordinate
their activities so that there's the best possible outcome for everyone and it's a fair balance
yeah but at the end of the day the fact
business cycle in the first place and that they depend
on exporting cheap consumer goods to other countries in order for their economic prosperity kind you don't think that soceless countries in the twentieth century exported cheap goods to countries to stayre no exported commodities don't get me wrong
but they didn't depend on the commodity production all right it wasn't use value pursuit of exchange value it wasn't generalized commodity production your you are just your view is just very narrow because it appears like it's for exchange alu in china
but it all goes toward determinate andend such as infrastructure
and no meaningful sense can you say it's just for profit
because china
the economic rlimate economic rationality and logic that drives the chinese economy is alimately based on ends established by the state
it's not just based on profit because
profits are limited sometimes and profits are also a
tolerated sometimes
the only meaningful consistent thread of reason and rationality behind it
is whether it serves social ends
a
it china's debt it produces infrastructure
it goes into debt to produce infrastructure for example
there's no immediate
gain on profitability with those kinds of ventures whatsoever yea
i'm dealing with something that is necessarily outside of m c
you need to go outside of c to explain china
now m your m
don't be wrong is still an epicicycle
but
there's no but marx and angles describe the transformation from capitalism to socialism
not as a complete whole outright abolition or negation
but as an gradual transformation what they didn't think was gradual was the political revolution the put politics in the economy are two different things
let me let me get a word in all right
so
nordic countries to
sink a great deal of money into their infrastructure
modern are they
now socialist countries because of it
i no i don't think so because nordic countries
they might spend money on infrastructure but it is nowhere at the level of scale
in terms of being a fundamental component of its
i mean plenty of countries spend money on infrastructure that's not only china
what i'm trying to say
is that the chinese economy cannot be explained
ultimately
purely in terms of m c m
the nordic economies ultimately become
are a part of
the
american
financial great chain of being
so ultimately yes
ultimately the nordic countries are sacrificing
their people for the golden cal
calf sorrys just more stages
in between that
that do correspond to some type of welfare state and building of infrastructure
it's not based on
the form
it's based on where it ends where the cycle ends in china the cycle ends
for the people
with the american led world order the cycle ends
for the enrichment of the oligarchy
now
along that cycle
there may be benefit and benefits involved for the improvement of the people and all that kind of stuff
but the ultimate rationality driving it
is prophet
still
yes have the case in china thank you
that that thank you for for
thank you for verifying that prophitts are still in command so there's another in china theugh but not in china
let me let me there's an article i want to send you and this is an article that i was actually saving when i was preparing for the
date earlier
chin ok so it's called
how reform has made china state owned enterprises stronger let me ask you is the world economic form an imperialist source for this
isn't an imperialist i never dismissed sources because of their origin i dismissed because i
so so so here this
everything that i have seen in terms of evidence that china is
in the process of transitioning to socialism
has actually
been in the opposite direction
so here's some points from the article
china's privatizing gradually by reforming state owned enterprises into modern competitive business as i know you're talking about can i just ho mergers and privatizations of small enterprises hast the number so i know i know ars so so in lieu of this evidence in light of this how do you reconcile the facts that they're actually trending more towards it's a great question great question
question
i
the problem with you is that you don't think dialectically i know it's going to sound like it's a curveball but hear me out
you think
that
an apparent privatization which is repeating by the way the same logic of deang's privatization
means that the c c p is letting loose its control
and ultimately allowing for interests and ends to be established beyond its own
but actually
when you think dialectically you realize
and this is actually factually true
every single privatization that occurs
in china and the state lacks the control
also corresponds to a deepening of that
ul
so you have to understand the dialectical logic that preponderates in chinese marxism
letting go is also the same as taking control in a new and more fundamental way
every particularzation of the economy corresponds to an increased abstraction of the party's rule
and that sounds like a bunch of jibberish
but now let's pull up this article that i have
myself ready attend
c c p announces plan to take control of china's private sector could you me
sure it's right here in the discord i'll send it right here in the the
could you dm could you m i you have it to you right here
you see china is engaging in a new privatization but it's also consolidating the manner by which it is able to exert control and influence
over these companies to ensure
that they fulfil social ends
that's why china's provid is privatization follows the logic of a type of decentralization
and there's a dialectic of decentralization and centralization
decentralization allows the latentm material forces in actual reality to express themselves
outside of the subjectivism of state control
while also
allowing the state control to become more attuned to those forces and then ultimately orient those
forces
towards ends established by
that's the nature
and it's perfectly
in june
with
china the marxist the
materialis dialectic that is used to chinese marxism
is this the thing that i heard about where they're just going to have a c c p official
that's on the board of every single private business in the country because i think i might have read it's more than that too it's not just that there's more to it than that i recommend you read the
it there's more than one hundred measures
' a better bk it's the wisdom and strengthen of the private business people on the goal and mission to realize the great rejuvenation of chinese of the chinese nation
she's instructions were issued ahead of a conference today on this very topic
the party wants to see a united front between private enterprise and government business
doesn't this class collaborationist line kind of bother you know it's like not cla it's not class collaboration is they want they want
they want these private business owners to collaborate with the state towards a common goal and i'm tired
i mean you want to i mean if you agree with it fine but just no it's not so i agree with it it's that the example you gave of an increased privatization
also corresponds to andan even greater degree of control exercised by the party that it didn't have before
over private business so it's a dialectic is all i'm trying to say
you're taling about class collaboration but actually
class collaboration is only meaningful
in the sense of the actual
cite political class struggle
class collaboration for example means
sacrificing the proletarian class struggle
in favor of
compromising with liberal and reformist whatever elements are the the big bousgeoisie
in the case of china's governments
chinese marxis would argue with you
that there cannot be meaningful there cannot be said to be a meaningfully distinct
capitalist class
within china and now intuitively this doesn't make sense to us because we know that there's business owners in china
and there' is a
people making profits and money in china
but in the technical sense of the word class
at least as laid out by marx in the technical sense
there the chinese marxists would say there's no class antagonism within china there is no class division it's still a proletarian
a dictatorship
and i know this is going to sound politically correct but again i have yet to see a convincing argument from your camp
that
persuasively and consistently refutes it
chinese marxist would argue
that the people you're calling a distinct capitalist class
are just
part of the chinese people
making money in some kind of way and by the way
a private owner but i'm not concerned but you also have to admit for example it's so ambiguous because
in the countryside
before the recent reforms that are giving people apartments to own and mass the chinese masses
are go this is only let me speak let me speak well this is the really speak let me speak the small and intensive agriculture that was opened up to the dens reporm reforms that corresponded to the great majority of the chinese countryside
i
they were also capitalists by your same definition and all the chinese people are capitalist thererests for owning private plots of land to their
peasans there's a difference no there's no no that no but there there's
but they're selling their produce on their market and making a profit
they're they're privates they're
private plots their subsistence farmers all right it's not only subsistence they also sll they also selling ws be gained they gained in gener you're wrong you're wrong youra ok so it wasn't really based on subsistence they gained more money from doing it it wasn't really based on subsistence
ok so
i'd love to keep talking to you but it's pretty clear to me that you're going to hog like eighty percent of the mike time and every time i try to enterch in it is so your points you're just going to shout me down
i lmost don't see a point i did t you speak and make your point but is that all yeah yeah yeah but like
ok you just run your mouth dude like
ok i really don't know how to so you know i you sore going to youre going to humiliate me and i'm going to make an ass of myself i'll let the chat decide how went down is that any well i mean your chats full of asslet
ok closing remarks
a
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the fuck of
stupid bitch
trying to guys go to my the fuck bitch i just kicked his ass out
what a waste of my fucking time
what a fucking waste of my time and energy
waste my fucking time and less and fulking energy
i hear you're just hoid going to stuf buck up bage
buck that guy
fuck him
fuck him and i should have been more rude i was way too nice
i was way too nice to him
way too falking nize dude i let him spew his stupid points
i said just been yelling at him the whole time
he wasted our whole stream
all he did was say dumb shit i already knew he was going to say
he didn't say one unique thing one
one thing i didn't expect them to say
he literally was going to say everything but he wanted heat that's my that's my example of how i'm going to make an example of fake andms and fake tankes who want to come at me
everyone who wants to challenge me now you go look at what happened to fellow traveler
this is proof you have to go through my chat first
this is proof you have to go through my chat
and my community
first
because that was a big waste of my time and your time
every every one no let me make a new rule already
every single m l specifically
who wants to challenge me to a debate not a friendly discussion
but challenges me formally challenges me to a debate
if you're an m l and you're tanky
you have to get through my community even if you have more subs than me
even if hakim wanted to debeate me
he has to go through my community
ok
that was proof of why
because i know the scene
i know what mmls think
i know what the people who disagree with me
thing
i have yet to be surprised by anyone
why
because i'm not a fulking idiot
i've thought a lot about why i have the views i do
trust me i thought through
everything you've thought of every fucking thing you've thought of
about disagreeing with me about my positions on china and ship i've fuking thought about it before
ok
you are a takey wash
what the fuct does that even mean
like i falkling thought about that sheep
ok
and i was way too polite
way too fucking poor
way too far
and i
earlier i want to give a shout out
the person who gave me that article
which i knew about but like he was like
giving me resources and shit
which i didn't even use ninety nine percent of them i just used that article because i knew he was going to try to ambush me with evidence
was bos a big blade
shouots a bullsk blade i'm going to bring him on now
to thank you
oh oh hey s sorry sorry i i went to the show queue for au
to comkine of talk with the fellow traveler for a bit and i meanli i was in there for five sincond he ran away so
you know i was just tilling to it chat that you're the one who sent me before earlier today
that article i knew about that thing but the
we had you not sent it to me i wouldn't have had it ready at hand you know
ah no worries no worries glad to help
i just want to bring up a few point that he got miserably wrong okay do you do you mind
okay sure go ahead yeah i might go first
he he he doesn't know smack about the minimum wage in china like currently the minimum wage is uh twenty four rm b in beijing and it varies from city to city twenty four r and b have a lot of purchasing power in china you can
at this point you'll probably get your get yourself a meal for one dollar in china you know so
not no in the san
to making all these like accusations about how peo are geting paid a die the stupid
the second of fall is a thodand nineteen on industrial upgrading
which is the fact that uh
as of current china china is not abandoning its in industries but it is instead of
using more machines using better proroductive messes
wh can produce more and with the socialist planning people are not losing their jobs
a
even during covid where a lot of people are losing their jobs teni still kep the unemployment rate under six percent
while as of current the real unemployment rate in america during cobate is around twenty five percent
so really like this is
if this isn't socialism then what is socialism right
this is very rational production and production for social means right
and um yup
third is that a recession in the classical liberal sense or
sorry not classally roses but re' sarching the
classical economic sense
means uh
what's the thing two terms of uh negative gross in g d p
and if you're going by that that definition china w for forty years with no economic recession at all so he is also around by the recession
and
the twenty fifteen crisis was just a stock market crash but it did not it didn't lower the employment rate at all
there was no one unemployed from that uh stock market crash because there was
rational
government spending and rational government planning to get these puel jobs to make sure that they're still living and to make sure they're living there and soll there
the government its the twenty fifteen sockwary crash had nothing to do with that economic recession
the fact that he called that to an economic recession just means that he doesn't give a shit about what china it really is
and in the end he brought up a nordic nations
but to be a northern nation have that ical social democracy you're going to have need to need to have a very high g d p per capital which china does not have
and is able to pull off this level of infrastructure building and h create welfare for the people without the hig people capital is a miracle by all means but he doesn't understand you mind ad something theoretical tojus
that i pleace because i didn't even i wasn't even smart enough to think about it
yeah it means that basically
these nordic countries are just using the excess money they have
for social ends
but china even when it doesn't have the money is doing determined
h
social work
and production
even when it doesn't have the money to
so it's actually creating wealth socially exactly worrying about money later unlike the nordic country
exactly efls structure building actually creates wealth and creates more people to buy products which then creates more wealth this is
rational
production
damn this guy doesn't care okay that's all i got to say uh thank you so bos big blade if it weren't thank you
a this wouldn't have gone is smoothly as it did
or quickly as it did you know i'm really glad
that article i just had it like this a this the minute he mentioned the thing about the new privatization is like oh i know
most of just saent me about that and
yeah i just checked oir d m s and
it was like that
alright yes
okay i just sleep pre tonight oky don't stress yourself out how a nice thingy apprei thank you
our guys
we crushed the snake guys now we can get back to bread to
now we can get back to sansonl
we're back on track
you understand
we're back
on track
we're back on track
we got we routed out the snake
we got rid of the traitor
and we're back on track
and this will serve as an example
do not fuck and come at us
do not fuck and combat infrared
when we're marching against bread to or you're fucking traitor
and no it's not because we're scared to debate
as i just demonstrated i can waste my time
debating mmls about this ship and owning them about it
but it's a waste of time
now we're back on track
fighting the real and
i never wanted to
put down any other mos
but he fired the first shot
and in order to beat bread tu
infrared must defend its reputation
and it must defend its image
whether it's an m l or anyone else wants to come at us they're objectively trying to make us look weak
and weaken us in the face of our real enemy which is bread to
and thought slime
you're the one i have in my head right now
when that guy was talking fellow whatever his name
i had you in my head thoughts slime
you
you're not going to escape this thoughts lime you're not
you understand thought line
you're not going to escape this
i got you in my fucking head
you're on my radar dude
no escaping
these snakes
are not going to fucking
stop us
and we got san sauls response of it coming up
maybe he's waiting for me to unb be unband on twitch so he can watch it on stream
you know
what are these fucking lobsters
what does lobster mean tell me what that means
the fockus is a up with these lobsters
haggle haggle
what community are you from
it's one guy spamming lobsters
where do the lobsters come from you're jordan peterson's guy
tell fuck and jordan i'm waiting for
tell mr peterson
i'd like to have a word with him to
are you jordan peterson guy
tell him
social use and social means
yeah it basically means that instead of an abstraction money
instead of the pure negativity which is alienated human ability
as its own ends
determine its human ability becomes its own ends
'm so glad i have this thing of marks up
so i'monr
i'm going to read you what marxs wrote
communism is the positive supersssion of private property
as human self estrangement
and hence the true appropriation of the human essence
through and four men
it is the complete restoration of man to himself as a social
ergo or i e human being
a restoration which has become conscious
and which takes place within the entire wealth
of previous periods of development
this communism
okay
basically the point is
instead of the golden calf the abstraction of money
the determinate ends of production
serve human
social ends for human beings
four people
that's why china's a people's republic
it is a state which exists
four people
and neither i
nor chinese marxists are ever going to sell you this idea
that chinese socialism is perfect
and there's nothing to improve upon it
or that american socialism would be the exact same
but there's two points you have to keep in mind
one
any problems with chinese socialism are problems
for the chinese people alone
the second point
the second point
is that
notwithstanding the problems of chinese socialism
none of them
are powerful enough
to allow anyone to deny the legitimacy of chinese socialism
socialism with chinese characteristics
as a model
as a new form of human civilization
that socialists all across the world including the united states
must learn from
the duty of socialists in america
is not to create their own socialism with which to impose upon
the chinese people and deny the legitimacy of their socialism
we americans
had know nothing about socialism we haved no experience with
our duty is to learn from chinese socialisms
learn the good
and the bad
listen to the criticisms of chinese marxists
listen to their self criticisms
i
and their advice i they have more experience than us
they're wiser than us
it is the epitome of arrogance to come up with five
five points in some arbitrary definition
with which to judge the successes in the experiences
of a country of over a billion people
that has
had a ruling communist party
for nearly a century now
you don't have to justify everything that exists in china
because the reasons things exist in china isn't because
somebody created a moral justification for
so you don't have to justify everything that exists in china a
because
it's not up to you to justify those things exist independently of
whether you consider them justified or not and will
because it's is a matter of the sovereignty of the chinese
f
second of all
even the chinese people themselves recognize
there are flaws and there are things to criticize about
their own system
but it is ultimately for
that
not us
whatever problems
there are with chinese socialism is problems
for chinese socialists
and the chinese people
it is not a problem
for us to judge
where do i read the chinese critique of their system
that's a good question there's a flourishing scene of chinese marxis and maoists
who have plenty to say about
you know you guys got to realize these are is a country of over a billion people
you don't think
that the socialists and marxists in china
know a little bit more about the country they themselves live in
then dumbfuck larpers in the west wearing maw hats
use basic wisdom
you know you' got to think with common sense
xander is the most best disqirtiq of china and what is that
a tim pool be that' s beeni boy
one of
you call me no
i'm kind of a
fellow traveler just sent me a d m
have a nice night red h
ok
but i told you i wasn't going to be good faith
i feel like i was a little bit too much a good faith
but i did tell you that
i'm here to destroy you i'm not here to be your friend
so that's why i'm oh
you think i want to be watched dude
i don't want to be a guy who's like well according to definition
and ill here's the evidence i don't want to be that type of guy
you know
but you made yourself an enemy
so
thoughts on the maowists
i know nothing about it
i think there are maoists within the
s
within the c p c there are
i
but do i look like wash
because i don't think i do
a who's in the show quue
i am
i'll lit him on
hey what's up man what's up i you
hello
it
hello
ah
that debate was
yeah
anyways what you think a mousebook on
mouse
mousebook on diplomacy
i actually haven't read it
but it's a more ok let me say something
china never actually published it until like ninety seven or something
but thisal it's like a collection of like his diplomatic works it's i have it physically it's pretty good
yeah interesting well when it's shared in the library i'll chek it out
el here in the library and then one other thing
yeah
h
do you think that
there could be potential cooperation between you and students in youthro america in the future
yes that's the ca caleb's
yes killips or yes i haves
absolutely we're going to cooperate with
it's just a matter of time you know i'm just so gt
the sunday thing i think
sunday
um
i think there's some guy
from
which i have to debate some no sday i'm talking to cale back
yeah killb is we have a schedule with caleb somed that's taking priority yeah that that should be the priority
be i think we're
course in fact the one thing that i the one thing i've been helping out for and fred show is that
we should be spending our time
plaforming the good once you grow up should be plaforming the good activist
trade unists the leaders in our community thats ser and listen if anyone doesn't understand that is the goal the goal is to reach a certain point
well we can just plat
platform positivity you know
it's just that we have to climb our way through this war with bread to
and it's going to but i want to start
you know
gradually
not all the time but
start having streams
at least once a week or twice a week where we're going to have positive
yeah
you know yeah
and i know some people who'd be like i know guy
an organization called the u s china people's friendship association
which is an officially recognized friendship association with china
and i know one of the guys who run it he would be happy to come on the show i asked hi yeah dude the possibilities are endless
you know
when we're in abrout when we're in growth when we can grow you know so
p so if you want to actually
discuss this later i'll discuss with the in private
yeah yeah
yeah you're crazy you know everybody you have connectionyh i do
yeah
anyways i'm going to hop off
s r see you ter un
yeah we would we're going to we'd love to cooperate with sina and we are going to do that
something i was thinking i don't know if i should save this for the
k look conversation
you know why i think
you know w i like the city building tendancy thing
it's because infrared we are kind of vandals
but we're just clearing the way for the city built
we're not only destroying
were doing it to clear the way
and after the mongols had their invasions beautiful cities
were able to be built
you know when timbers armies
were
you know those nomadic hords and shit
that led to beautiful cities like some maar cond and you know it's it's a beautiful dialect
you know
we are the guerrilla army
but
we're clearing the way for beautiful cities
to be built
you know
beautiful city
and
what do you think of marxist feminism
im
in the experience of marxism
objectively it's always been
feminist i guess right like
like i'm talking objectively like i
like with mo women hold up half the sky
and mark said that
there is no
real revolution without the great
uh oh
what did he say the great the
mobilization of women
and marx himself said that
there's an inherent connection
i mean it's just an inherent
next
but
i'm i don't like talking about feminism or whatever just because it's like h
what can i say you know i
what can i say
you know
i don't know what to say
no i just don't know what to say
a
here what i would say is that
it is not the business of men
to be
interfering in women's business
in the name of like anti it paul or whatever you know
that'sjus my view
think there should be a respect
for
you know that this is sit is is not about us
you know
we don't gota be
you know
it's not about us
school up
and witness the wrecads
yeah
i
like these bread like fot lme for example is a feminist right he calls himself a feminist
but
in actual reality it means
he's preying on
you
i don't want to slander him but like
people like that
you know what i mean
i just feel like you just have a respectful distance but that's just my personal view you know i saying i
what this
dis a respectful distance you know oh six
fucking camera stand man
thoughts on paul p
everybody wants to give me in trouble right
think it's a complicated situation
the cambodian thing and i don't know enough about it
how would i say that
there's a there is a relationship
yeah
yeah but
i feel like this it's kind of vain
to
try to like
change women
like as a man
it's just vain you like
when you find yourself blaming women
in general
you've gotten to a point where you've
you've given up and you've pretty much just like thrown in the towel and you've been l
like i feeld as a man
you know
this is towo
and
sonsal is a
perfect example
of a sex opportunistic male feminist
yes
yes per thoughts on chapel
they're kind of boring
to me they're boring
you know
like i couldn't watch them myself
that's all i got to say about it
yeah i think the
just want know something that i noticed
so when i yell and scream
theycuse me of being one guy right
but when i am a little bit more
just
straight to the point
they say i'm osh
so first i'm a skitz so
incoherent
and tonight i was washed because i i
was being more reductive in life
simplest
you know you
you can't win
you got to stick with what you've got
favorite pop coni album
i don't know it a copyright i want this video to be taken down
and but it might
because
you know what song i played in the beginning is i played that the
she feels nice song you know
and that one
kind of feel like they're going to take
i can always alwa is always an option to trim it outo you know
the video doesn't get taken down it just gets blocked
with certain songs
yeah
i
like i know how to argue like lost guys i know how to argue like that
i just
deliberately choose not
like when vosch was like
define fascism for me
and i was like no
you don't you don't think i could have like
just quickly defined it
i could have do
i could have just gone with it
but
i wanted to make a statement
about the difference between infrared and bred t
because i'm not going to just be another bred to gout my favorite kindi album is the one where it's a
work it make it do it raise it bger better better ro that song
stronger
that's my favorite one
that's like graduation right
stronger
that's his graduation album
yeah dude
let me see if it's block so i can play
you tbe
connie west music blok
is this does it will his music give me block
music that gets video blocked on youtube
because i kind of feel like listening to
b
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can you guys tell me will you have g recordings take it down
you to
on a plate right now
will it block
no like i know itill demonetize it
but will it block
that's
that's a daft up punk song
give bak to a baker better faster stronger
it will block the vid oh we just got a block
we just got a block
someone saved this vi
i didn't get a strike it's not a strike dude stop lying guys
it's not a strike
they never say it's a strike
you tobe always tells me
it's the
they just block the video there's no strike
it's not a strike stop we
let me check
the live i'm checking the last video
let me check details
rejackll
partially blocked
then
see details
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what's th's the death punk song
no i'm not doing karaokees and i'm not going to see
why did you play
de ira a fucking
dude i don't want to fok
well actually i'm going to upload the debate as something separate i'm going to upload the debate as a
fellow traveler some shit
mk
fake larper debating a larper about china
seventh the reverend
hasnanty come on before
harder faster stronger is that can be blocked
is that going to whatk
is harder faster stronger than he was
it's not this song sucks it has nothing to do with that
conni's graduation is completely different
what the funk are you talking about
are you talking about
did i just fuck the stream
w i learn
when do i learn
someone clipped the
right now clip the fucking debate
clip the debate and just post it on the discord
it might take a day to trim out
keep listening
bouh copyright dude
all they usually do is demonetize
you know
they usually will just demonetize it
but i
the'll never actually block
thats something els
is it what is that song copying is not theft block two
no it's not they better not block this
this is true
this is a fact youuys wt know something factual based on the
bench aperial facts and evidence
literally this is true
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i steal your bicycle have to take but if i just copy it there's one fork each of make it more of a thing that is what we call copying sharing ideas with everyone that's why copy is
i middle eastern reversion ready
get ready
he was
karaoke time ready
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thank you
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foking
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if i steal more you have more to
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want the article
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sharing it in the library ok
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yeah guys i beleeve you to comments
no one will sut the fuck up about that even
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for me
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harbors
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deep stream
play those unreleaseed con
i gota know what's copyrights and what's not
you know
do i have the spotify app
on the computer
im i
spotify
download
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i'm downloading spotify
that
sorry how disgusting
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log in
continue with facebook
oh my god
ca i just log in
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ok can i open this
friene
aright
fine i guess i'll log into facebook
my fucking browser
for i have one more you also have it to
open up my spotify
open up my spotifight
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out of the box
auh the the puks
out of the box
out all the buks
the book
logging in again
i forgot my password
ohly shit
try again
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okay i can
fucket
no more spotify
no spotify
unless default browser
i can do default browsers chrome
yeah actually
web browser
chrone
switch anyway
ok
n i'm going to continue with facebook
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authentication complete
now we' got access to the real shit guys
now we got that
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what's my release raate on
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need no
no fucking way
need
tell the truth
don't roll
don't troll
ok fucking joking dude
it's good to shit up this song is not going to be copyright nobody knows about this song the song has two views on you tube
on my fee on my on my fee
frien ones that got away s song sucks
guys this is what we're listening to tonight
gaming channel when you guys want to start gaming right now because i can literally do it like i literally have no reason not to start gaming right now there's no reason for me not to game right now but will you guys stay do you guys want me to game because there's only going to be
ten people i'm not going to game there has to be like you guys have to stick with me if i'm going to game you know you know because if you guys get bored i'm going to get bored i'm going to be have fun depending on you ok let me close out of these apps so i can game
open only this yes game are i gout nothing tomorrow i'm on spring break spring i'm sorry f how the fuck did cd find me on steam how the fucked
di he finally on steam the fuck fucking mobs are stalking me dude we're going to game on tonight we're gaming tonight boys a right hold on tying to think trn to think stleing but you have to sleep
spring break i think am on spring break the let me should put up make sure spring break t spring break
no it starts monday i do have class to morrow i think i do let me check hod on i don't think i do actually let me check something hol on outlook actually fucky
i want spring break but as far as i'm concerned you know soar as i'm concerned i want spring break yeah i am a spring greak youre i'me right i'm onan spring great tim to game guys am on spring break spring break time we're going to game guys w i play ar chat we can keep a lighthearted
ar chat or what
what do you guys want to play
we're going to do some karaoke on the archain
that i waning to do
some karaoke on the arched
what are we going to do guys
we were we going to play
i'm thinking some the art ab what do you guys think
or hello can i play helo guys
i think i should play hel right
which one
helo or v ar ch at which one
because i'm only in the mood to play one of those two
or elder schools oblivion
thev r chat halo weere elder schools oblivion
everybody wants viorcha
you fucking crazy people
fine we're going to play the yards at
i'm updating right now
wow
but a place in the archt ok
oh halo everyone wants halo now
i'm going to stropel
straw pull time
what game
v archaq halo
obliviion
do i have anything else
in't even have any other games
okay
great pool
share
i'm going to share it in the chat right now
oh my god
everybody vote if you don't vote you'r cock sorry everyone please vote
no gaming
this guy says no gaming what do you guys want
yeah i do have the grill avatar but i'm looking for king kong
and the
i couldn't find it
some people let's see what the the people want
there's no votes not a single person has voted
what a fork is this
nobody's voting
is it overloaded
nobody's voting oh this
dude sixteen votes for oblivion oho wait
it's archt
the people want the archt this is such a close vote though
fifty two votes
um
there's fifty two votes so far
everybody's voted it is working it's there you have to refresh
fifty two votes
stop to steal
stop the steeal
all right everybody wants r chat
everybody wants biarchet
that's all we're doing
everybody wants that
bo i got on repeat
oh sit see you see
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was good everybody
what's good wait you guys can't see it shit ho on gota let you guy see should i turn off the music
i think it's time to turn off the music
right
we're now in the gaming mode
gaming foo
gaming mode ok
gaming mode
and if it did if it dips below
eighty viewers recording
ok
we're in gaming mode now
all right
where should i go i think i'm going to go to karaoke
six
is the where do i find kingkong
karaoke
that that thatt
let me git food i got a piss i'll be right back
oh
and my foods here
i havet to lower the fucking volume
everyone speaking
different language
f
what the fun
the grillas are already here the grillas are already here everyone shut up
boy
no fuck you
go a way good
he the go
how do you how do i do a
s
that was too overwhelming sorry
can i eat really quick like
i'm really hungry
where is fucking game loading
i'm going to eat
the screens black sh
that a bigger horse
just
n
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but was the bullets i don't see the
sure
so
well
you guys knowing a guy named diyllian burns
you guys know dylan burns on twitch
yeah fuck this grow you know that
enjoy the
dylan burns t v on which
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nel wake up
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can i finish my food first tt two seconds
you big fucking cat
guys you hungry
here
have some
hello
how old are you
eighteen up can talk to me
don't talk to me if you're young
i don't talk to children
finish algebra two
o
uni jet finish you guys going to just finish this
it's ally just this and when i finish this i'm going to get to the game
can i please finish it
please
here you guys want some to i know you're hungry here have some
you
here have some
ok can i have some now
i'm hungry
this isn't arabic food
it's just a chicken salad sandwich
broke
shut up
stop snoring
stop
and finish it
w was my hand there
bear back
i got two
some them in the neck guys i
bank
but i stapped them in that come take it out
hello
epic face
ok
i same with you
that
excuse me
excuse me
do you guys believe in science
how
you guys think science is real
no
do you
do you do you believe in jeans
you think jeanes are real
do you believe genes are real there are such thing as genes
oh you believe in genes don't you
got a guy
you believe in genes right
okay
can you prove a gene exists and it's a real thing
how do you prove it
we're talking about genes right now can you prove genes are real
ya
that
a
party
what the ok five show me what a gene looks like
what does a gene look like go ahead
mms
really really jeanes or d n a are you sure about that
got
are you sure about that
yes i never seen
it'ss actually no
the mendelion gene was never proven to actually exist
a has nothing to do with the genetary
no d n a has nothing to do with
oh my god
the fucking god
oh
new jeans have nothing to do with flocking dna
are you stupid n they don't or you genes are metaphysical concept carry a gene is a metaphysical concept mendellion genetics has been disproven
we should i just hee it
oh because you lost the debate you're scared to debaate me about this
you know whatbout trog and license because you so retired told you know the agronoms troghen license to stupid we should just likek playing right now we
flying right no i get
you sound like a fucking clown
no you sound like am bitch i'm winning it to be
yes i have you're the idiot who thse gjenes a youre youre you're the idiot who believes in genes what a fucking dumbas
you're literally a conspiracy
oh yeah i'm a conspiracy thears
so you believe everything you believe everything scientists say
ok but i'm a conspiracy theres why do you believe in jeans go ahead
what you talking about
why do you believe in gen
it has nothing to do with anatomy
it's microbiology is not the same as anatomies
no that's microbiology it's not anatomy
it's not anatomy do that's microbiology
iw do you think mendela was right
was mendel right
yeah you know dell is
the guy who invented genetics
mo the about it
mendellion genetics was disproven
so genes are real it's a metaphysical concept that there's no in there's no inventing genetics
yes there is to i exist sence the time of
you know you do you know it's a complete fairy tale there's no such thing as jenes
why what's your theory what your prove f a gene is a metaphysical concept
and there's no such thing
that's all you say that's all you that's all you go off
benefits
ho how come
i
there's a whole host of factors as to
why you are physiologically different it doesn't ns has nothing to do with a single unit of readity called a gene
there's no single unit of heredity whatsoever
there's no such thing
there is no single unit of heredity
i can't take hispiit
it's not a conspiracy here it's true look it up
ar dear
because you lost the debate you have to use ad how many iminumce
i n know i'm asked
legitimate
such a add harminym andm you add horminym
and how manymum
guys
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say
no you're wrong with you
you guys are the ones who believe in gens what an idiot
what if i been idio he believes in je what idot
that's
that is that lef you believe
do you believe in jeans
so prove a gene exists
improve it
do i need to prove that i di
this
go fucker read an article
about
do do articles are all stup read they're written by retarts
m
yre they are
prove it prove a gene exists show me show me with the genus people that have people that have got doctorines and ph ds in biology they're all retarded show me where the gene exists
got it
got it
show me where the gene is real show me
why don't you read more about it so i read plenty and it doesn't stand to the evidence i read i read but plenty even know if i could reads
you don't know shit you see resep but have you actually done studies yourself if you done studies yourself
a
how would you know you havet have you
so what
i've analyzed the true studies conce dude you don't have to do studies yourself to know that the studies
don't support why would you why would i because no evidence supports that genes are real no evidence supports genes ijus you yeah
you just totally shit on
totally do
on theory
how did i read everything and it doesn't stand to evidence
there is no gene you're an n p c malfunctioned a brain
you're a malfunctioning n p c
this guy
this
this guy's
this guy
that
monstrous
oh my god
do
his dad has
right
and his
i don't
dude you actually believe jeans are real
well you actually believe genes are real
believe in something i repectlive n know you're the one who believes in something you're the one who believes genes are real
i respect i respect the fact
i don't believe in
can
you know you're retarded you believe in something without thinking about it independently
you just believe whatever the scientists are saying in lagh quotes and piece
that doesn't make sense i evually ha harder re aboutk a budget
yes you can you read it critically independently
you analyze it critically and independently
this
you can think about itpent you don't have to agree with what they say
you can actually trace your arguments
someone who's saying something exists has to support it with evidence they have you don't have you don't automatically have the cognitive ability
talking
like
deconstruct yourself yes you can develop it you can develop that cognitive
it this y
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you guys are in p cs malfunctioning malfunctioning and
oh
malfunctioning n p cs
guys are being schooled by gerrilla hoes it make you feel
yeah we sure are a me
you guys actually think jeanes are real
but an idiot
you know what you know i said ok this guy you know this guy said gjen
you do it the
they don't
there's no such thing as a unit of radity
the's no such thing
there's no such thing as one unit of ready all microbiology all works together it all works together there's no one unit over redity alway together
microbiology is holistic there's no one unit of ariety everything works together the organism and the environment is a dialectic they both work togetherre
where is your evidence
uh eppy genetics wlork up eppy genetics
beyond the gene epi genetics
look up at by genetics b all
look up epigenetics blown the fuck out
by a guerrilla you know what know you know do you realize genetics are found on chromosomes
no they're not
no they're not yes they are no they're not
do you know the russian agronoms trophan licencle he disproved
tropum lyicenco disproved it and the microscopic pictures aren't showing you genes they're not showing you genes
one of the
they're showing you microbiological processes that are working together holistically
with the rest ofs no they're not jans
there
they're not jeans
say body whatever say
you were beaten by gorilla how does it feel
you actually believe jans are real what an idiot
you accidentlyy body are you serious are you seriously are you ac
yes i'm one hundred percent serious
hundred percent serious
he are you hearing this
the
right
and i'm right and i wan the debate jeanes aren't real
are you hearing this
you gt
you guys are n p cs that are malfunctioning because you're hearing truth
everybody and
you guys just blindly obey authority imagine blindly obeying authority
n my arguments are pretty solid lindly obeying alredy anyven authority
ok what is a gene describe a gene to me
where what is a unit of redity in actual reality
do you know
ok so d n a is a unit of ity according to you
nw
so what so the d n a is a unit of verty according to
this
i
if you believe genes are realt yes you know they're not real
ca
do you believe the real yes or no
mmhmm
i have no idea what the fug you're talking about
do you believe jeenes are real yes or no
like
he thinks
they're not real enes are real
your high school biology teachers wrong
sorry i'm smart of them
they make you
you have
d n a is not a gene
it's a reditary unverse
there is no hereditary units
you're offscreen
this guy thinks that doesn't
gohing
doesn't it
there's no unit there's no one unit or hered of these there is not have question do you do you eaed cereal
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them
you're committing an ad harmony b apit happy to be happy to
so you coln see the debate
you basically can see the debate right
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this is ya
you guys are in p c s you guys have tils that's why you're in p cs
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guys
so according to
guys guys guys guys he's right is right you know he's right he's right he's always ight i am right yeah he's right
right
you know you know i i just i just appeared out of a cloud of
yea i appear i appeared because of a fish bro i appear because of a fishcause
becauseus strorang men are god to walk straw man stranw man not f it was a far strang man stranw man
or any sexual or anything like that j man any
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so guys how does the feel to lose
know we know what i'm thinking we're ining is thking i think i think thed n a does not exist i think even i is no i didn't say d n a doesn't exist
right no it's not what i said i didn't say d n a doesn't exist raw men
yes drawman
yeah you're right
you
i didn't say d n a doesn't exist
we do do we do not we do not any callors canthing like that which is exactly which is nothing broke instead
instead of being him or here we are it
we are it
yp which is it
we're back
guys the fucking stream crashed because of fucking the ar chat
proving i need a new p c
i need a new p c guys
i you new p c o b s is fuking crash
yeah the lesson of that
i need to do p c
it was fun guys
um
we can still
react to content
we don't have to end it
i mean right now
me wash my hands rey quick one s i very back
everybody folku lve
low
wait
did anyone save the stream
the stream playback work
because i hope we didn't lose that fucking stream
did anyone save the stream
now we might play oblivion but i just want to make sure the stream is safe
we're going to play something else
i just want to make sure the stream is safe
did anyone save the stream
is the playback still working
ok
if this stream didn't save
you have no fucking idea
how bad that's going to be
is playback working
is stream playback working
it works
gone
so you can go back to our debate with fellow traveller
to fellow traveler
can you rewind to
can you rewind to fellow traveler
someone please save the stream
if possible
in case of crisis i'm going to wash my hands one more time because i still smell my sandwich on my hand
but i
i'm going to play oblivion
if that's ok i really feel like playing oblivion so i'll right back
ok
all right guys we're going to play obliuvion
i
i'm not too worried about views right now honestly i just want to you know
we're going to have some fun
we're going to have fun
oank
asl fun
a debate of liviyan n bc
na na n no no no
i
is
over this
our guys are journey begins now we're going to go on a journey ok we're going on a fucking adventure and what's the goal of this adventure the goal of this adventure is to become the most powerful
the most powerful
warrior
in srid
understand
we must sit on the throne
to by game crash
my fucking game
yup it crashed
going to do it again play
alright now we're going new gang yes starning you sleep soundly for the murderer
i was born seven years ago one in the atus for sixty five years i've ruled this pam rels emperor but for all these years i've never been the ruler of my own dreams on i have seen the gates of oblivion beyond which no waking eye may see i seen behold
in darkness a doom sweeps the land this is the twenty seventh of last seed
the year of atsh foriryvery everyone says these are the closing days of the third yera and the final hour of my life
m in in mines and atota thougting god there
's nufs nuf
ok i'm in prison
we're going to make the ugliest guy
no furries allow
we're not doing any furries
i think i shoult be an imperial you know
sa
face
th
oh my god do there's too many options
we're going to make fishermen
wait
this is a tough decision
no we want to heavy face are you kidding
brown face we're going to make like a big big head
um
going to make
he's angry al
cakes
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cheeks round r gone
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chen
for now
we have a big chance
eyes
up or down
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forehead
large
tall
warder back
why john
um les
i was in a raate the day
hey yeah
hey guys i just wanted to
nw this was this is fellow travelers and i ready
oh my own nice debate
in't know's going to
i thought
i thought he was going to be nice
well now i'm just mad
we're happy
thk
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you know we only
we only do extremes
this is the beautifule
o well no
i don't think so
right
i
all right now only the nose is left this is going to be tough
shallowor deep
big noto
you're really pissing me off ok
you're really really breaching you
really pushing me
you're really really pushing me off a gaate stop
stop
i'm not having an
okay
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pointed
oh my god there's so many options i want to be done with it
big
oh what's a celly on
no way i have to change the cellon
to make a lootle moring
yea morning
i is perfect
wow sut the fuck up roach
dude arabs have bigger nose
case of shut
foth
right
and
turn le's tone
oh my god
right
is really super
that
guys straight out of hell
it's guy straight out of hell dude
he's got a beard
this is this is how they fucking made mustaches in two thousand and seven
prize
do this is take
so long
scm
feer in this
this guy has
bad thing
making a fucking
honey
all right that's that's enough
this is completely fine
now we have to change the hair
th
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it sounds so
ca
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it's not boss
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i don't want to play a sonsuls ancestor
no
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it just sounds right
and like i'm trying to like look at him and i'm trying to like
make the right sound
this will be the king of this land
this will be the king of this land yes the king of this land mark my words oh look and imperial in the imperial prison i guess they play fik
aavorde
uh huh
your own kinsmen think you're of peace
want of human trash ohy
owwww oh
t to
impiric ill criminal scum like you the bad name you sae your thean e thatatersment best if you just disappear hey you hear that the gods are coming for you lock that door behind
keep forgetting a messengery ive been in the so tim iaken my job right now is to get you to safety what's this prisoner doing here this cells so is me ofs limits usual mix up with the watch i never mind get that gate open stand back prisoner
he won't hesitate to kill you if you get in our way no sid offits stay put pris good let's go we're not out of this yet you i've seen you
let me see your face
then the stars were right
this is the day
assassins attacked my sons
and i am next
my blades are leading me out of the city you want to sepret escape route
by chance the entrance to that escape route leads through your cell
why mind perhaps the gods have placed you here so that we may meet
as for what you have done
it does not matter
kill that fifteen is not what you will be rememb i did a horrible crimes are you sure it doesn't matter
just look at my face i've done horrible things
i am your emperor
youurial septum
by the grace of the gods i serve tambriel as her ruler
you are a citizen of tamriel and you too shall serve her in your own way
ok dude i've done a horrible crime
i go so do we all
but what path can be avoided whose end is fixed by the almighty gods
true
please sirt we must keep moving
how can i give myself on this situation be i'm not close this one thes n minte ight here the right it's like this your lucky day to stay out of our way
i got to get rached somehow don't try anything i'm watching you iy sure you're not walking and stay out of the way wen i jump on his shoulders and take his blade run off to the hills
why is this community so transpobic the fuck you talk a protect the emperor you transplinter f ire the fuck of fucking brid look how they try to make sit uptect they come here and they try to fuck and slander us are you all right sire this is onre o lives
because we don't fuck and support biden they make it f like fucking trying to slam us with anything
captain rend
buck and live big
the flock
are your transpming
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anyone who's a modern try
fucking the time amount
the can shit up very quick
youre trange phone
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that one is it is locked
i don't got anything
we move forward we don't complain
am
and and rich
ulo has got it papa chulo got it
i don't need another
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ww wow wait we let's go back to that chest wait
hey we got some money i can use money toward my fund
will you take a fellow traveler on a cage if i get ten k like you actually think i'm going to drop what i'm doing train every day for this and commit time and no dude if you wants to fight he has to fucking he has to find me and fight fight me and no i'm not a snitch i'm not going to fk snitch or press
charges he wants to fight he has to find me and confront
ok
i'm not doing that
before you challenge me to box or whatever
like how ja paulm do actually have to have their cloud
not going to fuck and waste my time
cage matching fucking losers and it's like even if i was guaranteed to win which i'm not saying i would be honestly i'm not but even if i was i still wouldn't do it
y a waste of time
you know
i never make assumptions about how
well people can fight
you know i take into factors you obviously have to take in fastors but you know i don't make assumptions but uh if he wants to fight me he has to be the one one who's but so he has to i'm pretty satisfied i stat with fellow traveler and you know i'm not to but her wants to
will you challenge him on a halo match
deal with walkings falking right oo there's ratch ah rats some more rat w's my rat nee
h dinner dinner serve dinery serve
i know my ran me i know there's a trap here i remember the trap here i know how right i am i'm going to save the year just because i know the truth
beause i know the truth there's fucking a trap here
lower the game volume
okay fine
audio
about this
ok and i'm going to bring my mike closer
ok is that good
has do you have a cringeon blue pilled shut up julo how could my mam at full metal's been here from the start dude full metal full metal used to like post ninety per cent of the discourd that read its posts and they were all about drunk driving love you full metal
even though you're from falkenle sti
um
oh my reck me oh yeah dinner served
i love my rap meal
can't hear anything
can you not hear anything for real
don't lie guys i don't pretty sure you can hear shit
pla what weapons we there
yup
i fucking hate bow and arrow in this game
i hate using bows and arrows i got a helmet
i got armor
ain'm a cruel warrior now
no one's going to mess with me
let me take off these restans i
and i have some
some sandals oning volumes fine
yeah they're ok all right gany
oh risky war as
how do they compare
does the same amount of damage
someone
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ho i drop s a in
forking the work to do anything
now there we go
i got it
eich continues here
some more red meat
oh
i'm going to dine like a king tonight
fucking game of gra storial
the's a you video on you tube about direct utorial
and there's like a town rat
you know you know
oh no amy going in schirch gole
i'm kinda stuck on red meats
doesn't look like i need anymore
oh
who knew a rat would put up such a fight
the
alright this is whey i got to fight the garbins
i remember this shit transphobic homophobic racist who's sayin that dumb shit
mingis is not having it ok guys i'm not having any more guys you know the mingis mingis slatnish the slatnis family didn't raise me to be like this ok i t's go fight the goblin king
if you could destroy bread tou ferer by eating one of them
it's not quite worth worth it
mountain blade
oh
guys communism
st she go all we needed to him or now this fucking comp this is this is our first bread s this we're fighting fucking socials on left
ah my fax
he's done
taken his viewers
taken his rat knee
not my wd me
where do i go
here what do i fuck and go out here right or i don't know
i'll get you another goblin garsh look at xander hall im sergeantal inecuse me its socialism on left again um so what you're saying basically is that if a hundred percent of people in america
or socialist you don't think would matter in part or in whole here he is guys he's trying to defeat us who's going to win who's going to win ohe he's done
got him
took his views he only had two views
wing to save this because i just saw that trap guys sans and an burns trap is coming up they think they're going to destroy us they think we're going to be destroyed
look at this i just i just foiled the fucking trap
son saw in dylon burn's trap has just got foiled do't mans itches this this is son this is dylon burns's viewers come f planks going in
fm as bs
pay some potions
i can't wait till we can just like go to the city you know like what are we doing heremin youre all the people coming our the social democracy got
my red knee
i don't i don't care about that
i just don't
this is the goblin king here it is start debate with wash
he ran away because p what out of here bitch
oh my god
look at all these viewers we're getting
this is bo ho you know no bit not going to happ
right
took his viewers took his viewers
what do you think of andro pov
i don't know but you guys ask me these questions like like i'm a foreign diplomat
are i supposed to think like it doesn't make a difference
he was cool he was like uh interesting cool
what do you think about china
such a silly question it seems i have found a hole in the wall rs what makes you think if i sneak my way past these guards i can get my hands on those exotic and oriental swords and they'll make a fine and pretty penny in the serydale market
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i think you followed the're never going to shee it coming i know w good luck that igain w're be working with the assassins
no iy short he is not one of them
he can help us
he must help us i can
so can i explain
i don't know i've served the nine all my days and i chart
the sky is i'm i think sh'se my class all right i always just choose this
the shadow or the serpent
no way
no
the warrior simple as that
simple as that i just choose a
way is there an assassin
yeah the warrior beside
your
no trouck
in this
to face
ok we get it you're going to die due my
but in your face i behold the sun's
with such hope
ok i get it dou i get it
you may as well make yourself
shut up
can i have a blade and i have your blade
with the emperor's bodyguards our job is to get him out of situations like this
although i admit
things are not going according to plan
my job is to make
what did i gain out of this conversation
literally just like fellow tra
thanks for staking close a lost to our job
and i gain nothing out of the
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how do i get their armor just ca and i played this game
i know that you can't wear that armor they were
unfortunately
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so fucking crazy
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boxing is arcade yeh that's what logan paul and all them are doing jake paul's a fucking boxing cham logan paul's a boxing champ like this let me take a look
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i don't like talking about fighting s come on
i don't there's nothing gloris tobout fing you know
like
yeah
even if you win usually get hurt you know you
like
nobody thinks about the pain you know like african is st from the other side but it's kind of surong you want to let's go if you can but there's such a thing as honor like sometimes you just you have to you know like in self defense and stuff but
oh i got a
this
i'm going to have to so i have to like click on to you tube because i can't see chat right now
so i'm going to lightly
exit out of this
right
you always say if i saw you i r out yeah like but
that's because of anger you know
like you could get angry and fight i'm calm right now callmon rational has obviously says avoid fights but dead and you can pice me off
to maus
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because guess what i would be honest with you guys i would have to train for it
w i don't know i haven't s i haven't really seen the fellow traveler guy
but if it's going to be like a controlled thing fil i would have to fucking train for it
this
him
you know
but
it's a secret way out of the imperial city
or it was
fift
like the there's a heat of anger
you know there's
oh here is the assassin
why do i why m i getting this shit again i thought i folk aready did this really
i would never have guessed
still it's unernm i don't think you'll have any trouble with rats and gob
brik being it's fighting for trabes on
you
good
ill
like planning of mighty emperor no dude
that's stupid
you either do it in the heat of it or you don't pickur sign don'tm i heard he did that though dumb dumb
but you call me dumb them
i see wy are
adam
i'm just kidding
oh the emperor just died
why do you always eat chickfullt
i don't know
i always get the grilled chicken sandwich i know everage rosans hate both thseys oh my god look at all the deal sees i have this is the games fucking broken guys because i had the steam version gives you every deal see so fight johns
dom not that tough ok that's not fair you know i
that's not fair ok i'm sorry that's not fair that's not fair
i i swear to god if i was in that situation someone like that
you bet you bet you need like a fuk in baseball e can stand a chance actually in't know yeah i think so
that's not a fucking like
will you go on dram over
no
i don't know what do you mean if keim star invites me i'll fuk and go
why does skem star want to invite me
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there's always going to be someone who you can't fight i hope you guys know that there's always going to be someone who you're going to lose to
even talking cabin
even kabib can lose a fight to someone
like
caa bee the people he fights
it's like it's called weight class ok
even kabib can get his ass kicked by someone
ok
so
don't be like fight this guy
fight dwing the rock johnson
and if you lose your pussy like with the fuck
no one can beat up actually true martial arts as
a super
different dynamic to the mix that is very very very very very very what if you lost to a liberal
i'll do i don't listen i will never
lose a fight there's no such thing as a fair fight
by the way
so if that means
i would i have to grab a fucking stick or something so be it there's no such thing as a fair fight
they're just talking is
are indonesians
es
based you crins
they're based
they're super based dude theyre fucking have
crazy for marshalars
i can smash these guys
to people get wrecked by a heavyweight
so should i go into the city were ok what a my my question
let's let's know what i'm supposed to be doing
allight we got to go to coral actually so we're not even supposed to be here
or do we have to go to porl should i go to the imperial city
honestly i don't want to waste time at the imperial city
imperial city just the big time wastter you know
like
i've already it's usually only go there to like see it and explore it and i've i've explored it so many times
so let's just go on our marry journey you know
we don't need to do that
martial arts is dancing
not always do
actually not always it's not always been
but i
a lot of it is and it's beautiful
to the fighters guield
ca view to this game is
look ho beautiful guys
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west
i have to all around this
what is the game planned for growing i bred to gst
they can't do
can't a force of nature they can't
more like fart show arts
i don't know you
pst sadism is
yeah true makes you disciplined and you're able to do sixs
ya i mean uh
working out does not make you a good fight
that's very
like just just being strong physically
is not
anyway in any way guarantee
being a good plight
what's
but it don't hurt you know
someone would download this
yeah
i told you guys already done
it does teach you dialectics i agree
military training for cops
how about abolished cops
not right guys
what animal do you think you could take on bare haanded
foking retroom
score game is a jumping simulat
it was made it
the made it to the other side
most fights
end up on the ground very true very fark and true
and strength matters a hundred per cent yes you're very right being
you're very fucking right
that's the truest thing
i was t on
very true
i don't know why you were censored i dint censor you i don't have access to the chat right now i mean i can look at it but
i can't just move my cursor over
you want to see me be friend direct
i'm almost gone my way
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you know ill get my hand don and ne sure
lingus would hop around like this
mingsh
mingi is coming
meingh mis the third will be the ruler of this land
yest you wait jest you wait
jst you wait
how do i how do i sheath my weapon on teach me that
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i never heard of
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who's this guy
you know stranger
who did
real
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see i knew you'd laugh
some big hero you and i say all the same
nothing to do but laugh at an old man and hisse troubles
fact you
but you ie
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why you blickname me
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what's your definition
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easiest path
i didn't deleve your comment
i don't knowos leading common
i literally don't have access to the fok
so there's a road model
s a rogue model
oh my god
w
i do you hate birds
there fucking ugly
s t n b c here once you get iniyh fin of fath
governor
and harmony
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stage your business
truth is the legion doesn't know who was behind
farewell citizen
if i succeed in killing this guy
i can have me quite innice
court
hew come right there
i'm sorry
herry youkm
i'm serry
oh no
somy opinion on nick land
he's in
oh no
do we didn't istak
a horrible miscalculation
why do you not brush your teeth
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oh my god he caught up to me
believe he was in atid py the band s gam you kind shar
wo is chasing me
this is fucking man on the wall
no fleae
i'm sorry
w aren't you wiite gs
one
land needs to get back to mass
it's probably fllaws
yeat he uses chinese philosophy in an interesting way
i'm very influenced by nick landise you have no idea how
fan
like more than
ho a shit i take for granted to
shef e roan hussein
he's doing for
g i
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four
how do you know i'm connection with
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you sell heroin
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falcking guard still changes
please i'm sherry ok
heed to have a fucking caravan he fall
what a peaceful be
ple
i'm so shyy
i we can find a way to game the system and isn' landa conti and yes he is
yes she is he's like super con he's actually i don't know
is he a true artian or is he just
a type of
super empiricist
mm
still doesn't understand con
what do you think of resent negarstan
over we
can i say publicly that i know because i do know him
i mean i used to it
a little bit
i say that
he school
i like him personally
but
i don't agree with him
theself
i'm not a big fan of the whle is it still a thing neo rationalism
i don't know
i like him a lot
he's a real coul guy
ah
land is a headless confient
yeah but he's not
he's not really a concien
i feel like land
just talks about con
in so far as con
is his limit
like whenever land is talking about con he's basically just saying
i go no further than this
why not neo rationalism
i'm up at the end of the day guys the division
is always going to be about
heideger
versus carnl
right
and youew rationalism is very anti hiduer
and
i'm on hiding her side
and it's like it's a division that
cannot be break
like a lot of new rationalists will be like
the analytic
continental the divide is fate
and to an extent they're right
but
the hideger whatever carnap division is a real one
like so
that can't be bridged in my viw
you know
how do i stay away
m
it's so tough
become disillusioned with communism inn a sense like realize
yeah
ah
i guess that'll be my answer
ind of mo
is still here still here and i can't i have to fight him i have to fight this guy like i don't have a folking choice because i can't reload the city because i have to walk all the way back so i have to fight this
what do i do guys i didn't know you f this far
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portions
bushion god you know but he just don't look at
i'm not a high enough level
ca can someone help me orr have to find it by myself i walk all the way here
who
thougt much perhaps more haarsome than you yeah
you smiling
i know what i mean i
am
et up here
yeah
h ah
ah
okay
this is what
see this game so easy to fuck explore
what a stupid
time for the long game
ready
this is our we
and that is
it's just a matter of i run
i remember doing this shit when i was young i know how to export this s
the
i'm going to jack you s man i'm going to take you sh
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sorry
o
two
only af
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it might not
i did yeah guys
bay
rased i just got a bunch of shit
holy fox
i'm over in conumbered that's ok
i know what i'm going to do
were this portion
bullshit i don't need that
kidding
where's the sword take sor
see how you fuck and win in this game guys
no good faith
dog eat dog that's how you
i'm going to pretend to be a guard now
yeah my p ca now blay in with the guards and you'll never suspect again
they're going to think i'm one of them
but in reality
how do i shee i still know how to sheath my fucking what
if you read george jackson's blood in my eye
all time
how powerful is shet tr
what's the
yes
these up
n
tuck on
look at this beautiful sword
i'm brother geoffrey what do you want the empressor
in frey
you brought me the amulet of kings
this cannot be
let me see
by the nine
this is the amulet of kings
who are you
how did you get this
the emperor's s unlikely
his meaning is unclear to me as well
the empreor seemed to perceive some threat from the
the prt
but the mortal world is protected from that
i'm not sure
only the emperor
sy emulet of k
when an emperor is crowned
he uses the amulet to
with the emperor dead and no new air crowned
it may be that the dragon fies protected us
i am one of the
when it's you never tells me anything you know so shaby
but i knew it was his son
from time to timeo allan did i was anything about
his name is mut i must go to kutch and find
i to go to cabach
i
b lud no time
you must feel some shit
i don't respect this guy
course i'm going to steal a ship whos this fucking guy
this guy is a little mitch in my eyes
fucking monk
religion is the opium of the people
oh f
this fucking lock is so hard
this one's impossible
come on
oh
find martin before the end books bits
got
gop
i got a guitana
poggers
what no you're not taking back
you don't get away from me
it's my shitpment
understand let me see a request
we go do the dal c stuff
current quests
um
may rooon's ras
i don't want to do that
let's let's just continue
we're going to continue o
to see where the road takes us
continue this quest
s still following you know ok we got this diketana
that i stole
did i successfully steal it no i didn't
he took it back
took it back
modern zors what do you think about hol to saa
kind of critical of them
oh damn
timees it over there four am
three forty five
but the journey continue
we have to steal the throne
any favorite cartoons
simon jerry
uh hello
yeah you know tom and jerry
ya ya jerry is ya can you bring up tom please
jerry's in my hotel please bing up on
yeah yeah jdys here
please bring up down
the fot this or is this the
i think this is the lovecraft place
this is the lovecraft time
this is the ins mouth love craft crap quest
let's do this quest
i how do i sheep my shit
excuse me
we don't like
let me give you some advice stranger
why are you
nllow
i got nothing to say to you stranger
outsiders have always tried to destroy us but we've always survived
okay
stop talking
enough
i'm going to stay
this is my house now
m
a little bit smooky
what
my grandfather built this place not that it's any of your business
we've been down but we' got plans to bring back the good old days
you'll see
ok well i need a bet i guess we've
fine
take the stick
all right let's let's
just go go to bed
p the fuck you mean i can't sleep
the wellness one okay
what about at seven p m
you slew the signo for a murderer
that's good
you'll need a clear conscience for what i'm about to propose
you sleep soundly for the mamurtter
well who are you i am lucy in the chance a speaker for the dark brotherhood and you
you are a killer
taker of life hunder star soongs
your work
our guys
there you will find a man named
do this and the
excellent
now we're going to do this we're going to do this dark brotherhood guysre
send rufior death
and the dark brotherhood
will embrace you guess what
as
we're going to do this but not tonights because we're below eighty viewers
and i said
when we did below that's going to be my que
to wrap it up
but it was a nice dream
beautiful stream
i hope someone saves this
in case it doesn't say
guys
been a beautiful
ring
but
unfortunately
as in all things
what's the quote from king kong guys
what's the quote
king kong
you guys know the
quote from king kong
all good things and
king kong
good things and
what is it
but you know guys you guys know what time it is
like right now what time it is
you know like it's a certain time it's a certain time but you know what time closing time open all the doors and led you out into the world
closing time turn all of the lights on over every boy and ever girl closing time one last call for alcohol so finish with beer closing time
don't have to go home but you can stay here