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hello hello I mean this shit has a

microphone it sucks

there we go it's got to be fixed now

right it's fixed all right we're good

guys I forgot to unpack my shit all

right how's my shit look by the way is

this something you know back in Florida

this camera looked really good here I

realized it didn't look as good so I

changed the lighting in this room to

make it look warmer and softer but I'm

wondering if you can you guys tell the

difference compared to the past or what

does this look like the same old Haze

stream is this camera worth it guys now

or is it not worth it you know what I

mean

uh yeah you know this camera I don't

know I don't know

doesn't look as good uh it doesn't look

as good as Florida definitely not

right

so but anyway guys we are having a

debate today and a few things okay we're

gonna be doing atomic heart I think at

the end of the stream and I think what I

decided I'm not gonna do a live stream

let's play focusing so much on that as

much as a uploaded review of the game

which I'll upload through edited

compilations on Rumble but anyway we

have a debate and this is how the

debate's gonna go so there's topics that

we're going to explore in this debate

that are not necessarily acceptable

according to YouTube It's they're

plainly not a lot on YouTube pretty much

so what we're actually going to do is

we're going to migrate over to rumble as

soon as we get into that territory but

first we're going to cover the basics

when it comes to Maga communism and the

rest and then we're going to immediately

you know go to rumble through the whole

thing

now uh I know zerk the big news some of

the big news there's a lot of fucking

news some of the big news is uh holy

shit zerka got Perma band from twitch

um all I can say is um

twitch is a fucking L website fuck

twitch everyone's leaving twitch

everyone's migrating to Kik as soon as I

saw Aiden Ross migrate by the way guys

if you know you know speaking of kick

speaking of kick there's some

interesting things going on with that

which I'm not going to tell you about

I will never tell you guys about that

right you're not going to hear about it

period

but

there's interesting hold on wait a

second

oh oh fuck

shit

oh I did not multi-stream okay never

mind we're not on Rumble yet we're not

on Rumble yet I got to give you the

rumble link as soon as we migrate over

fuck I was planning on multi-streaming

to kick tonight and not telling anyone

guys I do have a kick Channel I have a

kik account I want to kind of dip my

toes on Kik right probably the future is

going to be me streaming on Kik so if

you don't know what Kik is

I'll tell you what Kik has a lot of

d-gen shit on that site because the

gambling ban on Twitch

had all these streamers migrate over to

Kik which is in it's getting its money

straight up from gambling right

the website is just like twitch gets his

money from Amazon and their blood money

with the Department of Defense it's all

sin it's all fucking evil that's a

that's one of the considerations I had

to take but the thing is the train

wrecks TV is the guy who set up kick

it's his website he's the CEO of Kik so

train wrecks is cool with zerka and that

whole crowd is the cool part of twitch

train wrecks Aiden Ross whatever you can

be Quest you can um critique their

gambling stuff but

honestly

I don't think gambling is any more

immoral than fucking Amazon right if you

want to talk about the morality shit

obviously I would never gamble or do any

kind of

I would never gamble or obviously I'm

not gonna do only fans bullshit but kick

has that stuff in it but it's kind of

got the crowd that I'd like that always

wanted to be more close to on Twitch

right the Aiden Ross kind of clock crowd

that whole thing WL Community yeah

they're all migrating over to kick.com

and I'm not 100 sold on the site but I

do want to kind of start streaming there

just to see if what kind of audience we

can reach there and so on and so forth

but I'm not fully committed to kick

thank you holy fuck that's just crack

through thank you so much I think it's

going to be Rumble I think rumbles is

what it is going to be but um

the nice thing about Kik is that they

really don't have the censorship thing

going on as far as I know and it's like

a huge it's gonna be like the next

twitch kick is gonna be like a huge

twitch competitor it's the next twitch

pretty much and Kik it has like a way

better see the nice thing about kick is

that it's like it's Community

integration it's got all the shit twitch

had when it comes to the chats the

emotes the whole subscriber deal thing

and they give you a 95.5 Revenue split

it's incredible

so the community building stuff I mean

any of you guys who miss the twitch days

that's what Kik would be and I am pretty

confident that if I went on Kick I'd

make a killing as far as news and

politics content is concerned I think I

mean it's a niche it's a something no

one else is doing on Kik so I'm probably

gonna dual stream on Rumble and kick but

not tonight I don't want anyone going to

kick to even look if I'm streaming there

because I don't want the audience to be

divided

okay but we're gonna be debating that

guy

and then what we're gonna do is we're

gonna first we're gonna have a PC

segment and then we're gonna have a

YouTube non-youtube friendly segment

because YouTube they're you know up to

they're going crazy with the censorship

right now

and it's really not possible

to debate the topic we want to debate

which is about Grover fur and whether

Grover fur is a liar or not and that's

what we're going to be debating tonight

but that's not that can't be debated on

YouTube if we're going to be debating

the Poland stuff which is what I think

we're going to be debating on so that's

going to go straight to rumble

and I'm going to be spamming the link in

the chat thank you so much

kick I'm going to be uh spamming that in

the uh

in the chat anyway on the zirko thing

it's incredible

but I I'm not that surprised twitch is a

dying fucking website I think zerk is

going to do fine on kik.com especially

and on YouTube right but I I heard he

got snaked and all I could say is fuck

twitch fuck twitch what a piece of shit

website take 50 of your fucking money

website's dying there's nothing really

going on there anymore and what else

what can you say right twitch is a piece

of shit website

what can you fucking say all right guys

without any further ado I don't believe

I have any more announcements

oh yeah I'm changing this whole fucking

setup I might be painting the walls I

realized like my the white thing the

white wall aesthetic was horrible right

so I'm gonna be changing this room

there's a lot of things I'm going to be

doing but without any further Ado let's

get into the fucking debate how about

that

so this person is a they're calling

themselves a Roth Guardian neocon not

sure what that's supposed to mean let's

get right into it

what up bitch

okay

we're gonna have to do this

I have to input my voice settings

because uh my Yeti

was gone for a while okay we're good all

right

yo

unmute yourself

hello

shut the fuck up bitch so this is how

we're gonna do this part one is the shut

the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the

fuck up

I'll tell you you can't be waiting for

30 fucking minutes I don't give a fuck

how much I kept you waiting shut the

fuck up bitch you're a nobody I don't

have to answer to you you're a fucking

nobody I'm giving you the opportunity

very gracefully to come up here and

fucking debate me so shut the fuck up

and tell me don't tell me where were you

oh I'm gonna be as late as I want a

little bitch you're a fucking nobody and

I'm giving I'm gracing you the

opportunity to debate the con so I'm

gonna let you know later on how we're

gonna fucking do this part one shut the

fuck up bitch shut the fuck up Jackie

off shut the fuck up in the shower can

you tell me that please hey I don't have

to fucking jack off shut the fuck up

bitch I got a girlfriend hey hey Shut

the fuck up shut the fuck up little

bitch shut the fuck up little bitch part

one of this debate is going to be about

your comments surrounding Maga communism

and all that whole business part two is

going to be about

um Grover fur so we're gonna do part one

first that's going to be on YouTube as

soon as we get into the grover first

stuff we're going to be going into the

part two so you made a number of

comments on Maga communism can you share

it to the list yeah relay to us your

comments on Maga communism and

libertarian stalinism and explain to us

how these are actually ideologies rather

than provocative phrases or slogans why

are these ideologies oh wait wait so

which one is it an ideology which will

never be implemented or a LARP which one

is it you choose it's actually neither

of those things because the ideology in

question is orthodox Marxism leninism

but we're using the word libertarian

stalinism in order to basically provoke

people into thinking about the meaning

of historical communist experience in

ways they haven't before as for modeling

communism that's a slogan meant to

represent a pivot into a complete

completely new revolutionary strategy so

neither of them are ideologies we're

just dealing with Orthodox Marxism

leninism in the American context what

are your questions little boy what are

your questions that you uh embrace the

uh the Zeitgeist of Market communism

especially the Communist part I invented

Maga communism yes no no no because you

were like you know Communists are lazy

pieces of fucking soy Jackson and you're

like 34 minutes I invented

no you didn't

yes I did the earliest use of the term

came from my community and I was the

first one to fucking uh put it on math

so yeah I will invent I'll invent uh

today I'm gonna defend a narco

neoconservatism here you go okay well

you can do that to your best of your

abilities why are you such a cock no

honestly why are you such a cut why am I

a cook

yeah

why any arguments

I think you are a cook because

firstly your general shot is full of uh

deep State you know psyops right based

on what based on what well Stannis is a

perfect example Stannis is

a troll and we keep him around

he's funny

no shut the fuck up shut up

nobody cares I don't care if he's a sign

up he's funny anyone who falls for

Stannis is trolling is a fucking idiot

and we use him to filter dumb asses out

of our fucking Community yeah he goes

viral on Reddit all the time and he goes

viral on Twitter all the time because a

bunch of fucking dumbasses can't tell

when someone's fucking making a parody

or not we use Stannis to literally

filter dumb asses we don't want in our

fucking Community all right any other

comments this is my theory this is my

theory yeah sadness you know he becomes

famous because your most viewed video of

all time on your channel is you know has

him in the video okay and you know you

make him look like a little bitch okay

and the only theory behind this is that

he and you kind of socially engineered

this whole we didn't I've never talked

to Stan no you did I know you did

your fucking General chat always share

his fucking tweets he's a psyop he's a

scientific people Stannis he is popular

in my community because he's his tweets

are so inflammatory and ridiculous that

everyone laughs no because they think

it's this whole thing about like this

whole thing about neocon to Marxist

lenus it's just a psyop to get people on

your side listen you made a whole video

about how you made a video about like

how anarchists make your a sideline dude

you want to debate standard so you want

to debate me what do you want to say no

like you always talk about how the

anarchists on the left always team up

with the feds like yeah what you're

doing is identical how how is that

explain it

because you are you you are

um change like you are um manipulating

the rhetoric on your channel to make it

look genuine when in fact it is

literally just behind the scenes kind of

puppetry in order to create

um a sense of like you winning the

debate when in fact it's literally

psyops like you're just running what do

you mean by that can you elaborate what

you mean

okay you and Status know each other very

well I guarantee it and then you tell

them to come home wait wait wait wait

wait wait wait wait be quiet be quiet

okay be quiet okay go ahead explain the

conspiracy I'm curious now all right so

Stannis you know he's this he's This

neoconservative and like he comes on

your channel and in your most viewed

video and defends like all this apparent

immoral shit and then over time he

transfers into this this this Marxist

leninist and affirms your Viewpoint this

is all just a made-up fucking uh and

made-up transition to prove that your

idea is ideals are apparently do you

have any evidence any evidence

okay this is the thing right have you

seen his Twitter his Twitter is

literally regurgitating you're like it's

just a fucking Fanboy account of yours

that's all it is what so how was that

evidence that I know Stannis and this is

all fucking conspiracy to make me look

good Stannis doesn't make us look good

by the way Stannis said Stannis makes us

look horribly actually but we actually

don't care because anyone who falls for

Stannis is trolling it's too stupid to

be part of our community anyway so we

don't give a fuck

horrible status literally is an Optics

no clear bomb Stannis is the he would be

considered the worst Optics disaster for

any Community except ours because we

don't want dumbasses in our fucking

Community oh you no you even called him

a punching bag

a quote unquote punching bag it's

literally yeah you you don't it's

literally just the status as this all

right so you're not educated on who

Stannis is so I'll explain it yes I am

I don't care if he's a Fed but he's been

here from the beginning to troll our

community and he's been trolling

trolling trolling for so long that

eventually he just oh that's his newest

troll he decided to join us which we're

okay with we we welcome them with open

arms but he's always trolled us he's

always been here to troll he's always

because you are trying to you know

you've got nothing you know your

community has nothing going for you so

you you socially engineer the Scion okay

listen listen Ethiopia Ethiopia shut up

there's no moderator here but I'm trying

to keep this as Fair as possible as far

as a rationality match with you bitch

okay I don't know let's let's be

rational here why don't we just be

rational so you need to explain the

argumentation and the reasoning and the

evidence that is behind the claims

you're making because you keep repeating

that he's a psyop but where is the meat

and potatoes behind the the claim

you know that you're making why stop

repeating the claim tell us why you

believe this and why we should believe

it convince us go ahead

uh the reason why I think it's just

intuitive

okay well we don't share your intuition

so you're going to have to go beyond the

threshold of intuition into the realm of

evidence and facts so explain that to us

all right well I watched your you know

your most viewed video and the reason

why it's the most it's like this this

provocative like shouting fucking thing

and like I know you created alts to

um create the meme you know the fucking

mom you know I am a mongoloid meme like

you created alts in order to like spread

that I know you did obviously so that's

another claim that I'm going to ask you

to substantiate with evidence what what

evidence is there that so while Mao is

my ALT right yeah 100 okay and you're

totally being serious right now so these

are all claims you can make with no

evidence and no reasoning behind them

why should we care what you have to say

if you have nothing to offer us to

convince us

why were you 30 minutes late

what what

an expert debater dude are you actually

here to debate or what

yeah all right we'll debate Marxist

Marxism whatever you want to debate yeah

so you said you said some you made some

comments in the general chat saying that

uh Maga communism is a meme ideology or

made of ideology we're watching the idea

it's an ideology because that's what I

really wanted it's fine ideology for me

how's to find it

I would define an ideology as a you know

a system of ideas a system of a specific

idea and I don't think manga communism

is that I think communism is just a

strategy turned into a slogan

oh my God called me this Market

communism consist of ideas

that's irrelevant everything consistent

ideas that can be put into thought right

anything that can be verbalized

consistent ideas okay

no it's not

it's not a consistent system of thought

or

it's an inconsistent system no it's not

a system at all it's a slogan why did

you have to reference the consistency of

the system if it's not a system at all

because that was what would define an

ideology in my view my ideology can be

inconsistent

oh

um I don't think so necessarily unless

it would probably not be a functioning

ideology you probably wouldn't be able

to gain

an inconsistent ideology probably would

not acquire the mass phenomenal appeal

to be qualified as an ideology thank you

so much Gavin thank you so how do you

create an ideology you can't you can't

create an ideology ideologies gain

traction organically that's why we're

not yeah I never asked that I never

asked how how does ideology gain

traction no I'm telling you ideology

ideologies cannot be made they can't be

created

okay how do they come to be is what

you're asking yes yes yeah ideologies

come to be because these ideas acquire

consistency and relevance on a mass

phenomenal level of some kind usually

that has some kind of relevance

concretely to politics so Marxism

leninism is an ideology not because

someone made it up because it genuinely

reflected the system of ideas if you

will that corresponded to the

Revolutionary strategy of the Bolsheviks

uh up and up to and after the seizure of

power during the October Revolution

so the reflect an ideology is a

reflection of what people think

no it's a reflection of the ideas that

correspond to Unique historical

phenomena ideas are not thought

what

ideas are thought no

our ideas are thought is that what

you're asking yeah ideas are ideas can

be thought of of this that's what you're

asking ideas probably reflect forms of

thought if that's what you're asking

okay so seems like this is a very this

is this is the this is what I call the

hawsbox this is what I was calling the

hospital so you have basically described

ideology as uh dude I'm sorry I'm I'm a

little drunk um fuck um oh they're

always drunk you're they're always all

these Debaters are always drunk it's

always an excuse I'm not I'm not sorry

drunk person I'm not a strong person you

know you can these these sounds mean

nothing when you can be muted okay

so another drunk guy coming on to debate

me every the last how many people were

drunk that came to debate me wow it's a

record continue go ahead I'm not

president run day I I I I owe my shit at

the end of the day all right okay so

so I'm sorry about that that was a

little fucking childish all right I

apologize um you so my point was that

Mega communism is an ideology no it's

not wait

hold on it's not an ideology so

so is Magic communism does America

communism have a set of beliefs you said

yes

I didn't say that well it's it's it has

no beliefs so so how do you it's not a

set of beliefs you asked are there ideas

involved is is beliefs not an

amalgamation of ideas no absolutely not

what is a belief then so if I say I

believe that it has to do a belief a

belief has to do with uh if I say I

believe you're a cook is that not also

um a set of ideas which leads me to that

point of belief no it's a set of mental

illnesses that leads you to that belief

because there's no basis in reality for

such I never I never talked about the

efficaciousness of the beliefs it

doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's

not reducible to ideas alone it's

probably reducible to some kind of

mental illness anyway why can't you get

to the point here well I think I think

my communism is an ideology but I think

it's it's a it's a meme one so what I

mean I think it's an ideology what about

it strikes you as an idea I think it's a

set of beliefs attributed to a person or

group of persons especially those health

for reasons that are not purely

epistemic okay so if someone believes in

the moon and a group of people believe

in the moon which is most of society is

there a moon ideology

um

no

and why not according to your definition

which you're believing because again the

last part especially those helpful

reasons are not purely epistemic what do

you mean purely epistemic what does that

mean to you

well

do you know what epistemic means yeah

pertaining to knowledge so what is that

what do you mean yeah so in ideology is

um

ideology is not necessarily based on

thought no

yes ideologies I mean they're not based

in thoughts but they definitely believe

you even said that no again I didn't I

didn't say there's no connection I said

it's not purely based okay so what is

your point what what makes something an

ideology in your view

oh again it's a disanalogous the moon

example because that's based on things

like empirical thought and like data and

stuff like that

like what what do you mean so uh it

becomes an ideology when it's not backed

by empirical evidence no again and the

difference between your your example of

the Moon and believing the moon exists

yeah is is this analogous to a mega

communism sure why because

one is based purely on epistemic thought

and one isn't based on Purely epistemic

what do you mean epistemic thought of

course it's not purely based in

epistemic thought there's no such thing

as something you're saying it's it's

purely based in knowledge what kind of

knowledge yes

the believe belief that the moon exists

is purely based on thought you cannot

you cannot have it any other way it's

not purely based on thought whatever

what else what else is it based on then

you're saying you're saying belief in

the Moon is purely based on thought yes

hence this analogy so what else no no

I'm gonna stop you there and kind of

well you're not trying to understand

where you're coming from with that

because I'm pretty sure belief in the

Moon is rooted in quite a bit more than

just pure thought okay all right so what

was the main why did people believe that

the moon exists existed in the first

because they see this heavenly box

okay and how do you see

with with with your eyes of course or

what are you trying to say are you doing

are you under the impression that you

see with your with your thoughts or what

what are you trying to no no how do you

how do you like compartmentalize and

store in your head and then regurgitate

and and give to other people the idea

that you saw a moon does that require it

you usually don't have to do that

because enough people see it themselves

for it to not have to be trained how do

you know other people saw it though

through communication ah so does

communication require thought

and

so it is based on thought without

thought there wouldn't be it so you said

it's purely based in thought you didn't

just say it involves thought of course

everything pertaining to human belief

and knowledge involves thought but you

said belief in the moon moon is purely

rooted in thought where are you just

trolling is this an actual serious

debate like what are you actually saying

here

I'm I defined ideology and then you gave

an analogy to try and why is it this

analogous because yeah again I was about

to get there hey I was about to get

there okay go ahead

I am getting there you know calm down

bro uh and then you gave an example an

analogy which supposedly undercut my

definition and I said why it's dis

analogous because I think the idea to to

to know that the moon exists is purely

based on epistemic knowledge

and Maca communism is not based on

Purely on knowledge as you have said

yourself it was dysargus

so the belief in the Moon is based

purely on thought which is how you've

qualified the term epistemic knowledge

whereas Maga communism is based on what

in addition to thought

well that's not that's not my job to

tell you because you yourself have

conceded such

what

you yourself said

an ideology is not purely but if we're

going off of what I say I would

definitely not say that belief in the

Moon is purely based in thought now

we're not talking about that you said

what you you made this remark what

question mark to me saying yes to you

saying that ideologies are not magical

communism to be specific is not purely

based on thought you agree with not

purely based in thought so what is the

Moon based on then if it's not if it's

not thought give me an alternative which

kind of like an amalgamation give me

other things in this equation which

results into the belief that the moon

exists

the belief in the existence of the moon

has to do with a specific interaction

between people and something how do you

interact with people without knowledge

okay so you're not very smart and I have

to explain this to you just because a

given variable like thought is involved

in something doesn't mean it's the only

thing involved so obviously thought is

involved in the belief in the moon but a

great deal more is also involved in that

I don't care about my generation cause I

don't care about generalities you can

keep on saying it's not to do with

generalities what does this have to do

with generality because you've just

because you've just said oh you know the

knowledge of the move the belief of the

moon is not purely knowledge you're not

giving me another

um part of the equation which shows and

and this displays that it's not just

knowledge

okay it's not just knowledge how about

the material fact of the Moon existing

and people perceiving it phenomenally

when they see it in the night sky

you're just using a bunch of words here

this is the Haas box where you should

use a bunch of adverbs I'll dumb it down

for you people see the moon in the sky

so obviously they sense it

what

how do they ex how do they know they

have senses

dude we we're just going to re rehash

what David Hume Emanuel Kant all that

kind of right so if you what do you want

to get what's your point

let's be quiet cuck let's say Haas that

um you see the Moon

um wait hold on sorry I'm getting a

okay all right can I can I show you a

graph that you can read which shows my

point perfectly no you know what let's

let me throw some shit at you and just

say are you saying the Moon is rooted in

oxygen because if we didn't have oxygen

we couldn't breathe and if we couldn't

breathe we couldn't even have thoughts

we just fucking die so obviously oxygen

is the Supreme uh variable here not

thought right because how no how could

we how could we communicate our

perception of the Moon

and we can't live

why I respond to you read this I just

posted in the chat read that that is my

point by the way we can do idealism

versus materialism if you want to

fucking do that I can do that with you

I'm a fucking idealist read that firstly

and then we can get into the

conversation

all right I'll respond to you so is this

uh this has nothing to do with anything

you're saying so yes it does you're

you haven't read it you can read like

600 words yeah I've read it actually it

has nothing right tell me what it means

I'll delete it tell me tell me what it

said

okay it's saying something about the

relationship between objects and a

subject's sensibility in relation to

them

okay

okay so all right let's get right to my

point so Haws let's say you look at the

Moon right let's see you're the first

person thank You Tristan appreciate you

for the 20. no Tristan go fuck yourself

all right let's say right you see the

Moon you're the first person to see the

moon ever you see the moon in the night

sky you see it right how do you know

you've seen the moon

that's it's I mean the means by which I

know the moon this is just fucking

sophistry you can't reduce

um okay no you can't no you can't you

can't really like that no you can't

because you can't account for novel

perceptions and senses how can you

account for the fact that there are new

experiences if you're just going to

reduce every experience to the means by

which it is transcendentally mediated

you fucking idiot all right let's how do

you account for the possibility of

novelty dumbass you ever thought of that

fucking moron

novelty okay what do you mean by novelty

something that's new like yeah a new

experience you're just gonna say oh that

new experience was a thought in my head

the whole time that's a fucking word

practical okay speaking that is a

useless metaphysical and Scholastic

claim that can't be tested it has no it

has no

um value and there's no reason for us to

believe it just there is no reason for

us to believe that the means by which

something is mediated or facilitated

is actually the thing itself we have

know how to believe that how do you know

reality exists like proof because the

rare react is talking about reality is

not a metaphysical claim reality is just

referring to a specific relationship

toward for example

yeah something let's say relationship

material is it material that

relationship yeah

prove it

doesn't need to be proven because it's

not a metaphysical claim it's just it's

a specific there's the cop out there's

the cop how is it a cop-out you're

talking about metaphysics and I'm not

when someone talks about reality they're

talking about something that has

practical relevance when it comes to

their interaction in society and with

other human beings it doesn't need to be

proven in any Scholastic or metaphysical

way

wait can you repeat what you just said

okay I'll repeat it

you're talking about a bunch of fucking

jibber jabber that doesn't matter so get

to the fucking meat and potatoes make an

actual fucking point I'm not interested

in running in circles with you these uh

sophistry get to an actual like relevant

argument when it comes to I'm just

employing the JoJo house

um ideals of uh you know of idealism

objective idealism but uh all right we

can get past this if you want so

um like

all right so idealism wins anyway but

but it actually doesn't because as I try

because every time I make a point you're

just like what so dude you're not

equipped to fucking have this debate so

yeah you probably should just move on

wait but no again this goes back to my

point Haz like the idea of stop

posturing if you want to have a serious

debate about philosophy you need to put

a straight face on sober the fuck up and

actually take this seriously if you're

not willing to fucking do that get to

the fucking me and potatoes that stupid

people can understand because you're

clearly not willing to seriously commit

to the necessary maturity and

impersonality to actually talk about

these subjects so shut the fuck up with

you

if you actually were someone who who was

well versed in the history of philosophy

and the wealth of philosophical uh

beliefs and and um schools and Trends

you wouldn't you wouldn't make it seem

like there's some kind of like

intuitively self-evident conclusion here

there is a range of every possible

philosophical position that is as wild

and crazy as you can fucking think of

and they're all just as valid as each

other when it comes to the realm of uh

Ridiculousness so stop posturing and

making it seem like do you know you're

not even like

objective idealist like me my specific

philosophical jibber jabber shut the

fuck up nobody agrees with you nobody's

laughing in the same way you are because

it's an extremely contentious field

where you have to be able to be mature

enough to entertain different

possibilities so you're not willing to

fucking do that so just get to the

actual fucking meat and potatoes of what

you want to debate about that's relevant

to what people care about nobody cares

about this sophistry and jibber jabber

you're trying to fucking introduce here

a mess it's just a simple question house

right so

do you think that material reality

exists firstly that's the first question

what what do you mean by that

do you think that material exists do you

think that like do I think material has

a meaningful reference reference that's

meaningful I don't care what's

meaningful okay well that I don't care

what you're talking about because what

you're talking about is metaphysical

which I don't give a fuck about I don't

I don't I'm gonna die I don't I believe

in dialectics not metaphysics oh wait

what you know what the irony is so so

JoJo how wism basically teaches you

um

I've never heard of that can you can you

tell entertain us and Enlighten us oh

it's this very

is this very kind of like nascent kind

of new age type of idealism from uh you

know from whatever scored server you're

in

oh no no no no no no no okay so where is

it

it's basically the idea so like for

example do you follow the idea of like

dialectical historical uh materialism

for example

okay continue

all right so the I you know what I

believe in basically teaches us that

history is not Material nor is

dialectical not dialecticism or you know

is uh nor is that uh wait no his history

is not Material firstly do you believe

in that

um history is not material is a

meaningless claim unless you can qualify

what you mean here

well does history exist in the material

what is the material what material

do you believe in materialism though yes

I do materialism isn't the same as uh

substantialism where you believe in some

supreme monad or Supreme substance is

material not is material not the idea

that matter is the fundamental substance

in nature

it has nothing to do with substances at

all

no I didn't say substances it's the subs

it's the fundamental substance in nature

again at the notion of a fundamental

substance is metaphysical

no it's not it's it is it has nothing to

do with tonsological oh it's

metaphysical actually because no it's

not it's not ontological at all wait

substance Theory uh is not ontological

no

wait I'm gonna Post in the chat uh you

know substance Theory and like the sixth

word is ontological we can talk about it

so are you going to post a Wikipedia by

chance

we yeah the CIA Wikipedia yeah I'm going

to post it with joy there you go

um so so what is ontology

how do you Define ontology

okay this has nothing to do with what

you were saying if you're qualifying

substance Theory as what's written in

this Wikipedia article that has nothing

to do with the notion that reality

consists in some ultimate and supreme

substance which would be a physical

claim why would a decline would claim

that's being

I would shut up shut up for a second

shut up shut up shut up for a moment all

knowing Wikipedia mods uh have a

hyperlink to the word substance in

materialism to this page

I don't care because if you read the

page it's just talking about the notion

that all forms of being take on a take

on us a substantive character take on

the form of a substance that would

indeed be an ideological claim but the

minute you start positioning the content

of that substance you get into the realm

of metaphysics

uh you know what you know what okay

Alice have you ever heard Plato

okay

is that an affirmative have you

can you get to the fucking point and

stop wasting our time stop throwing out

random shit what is your point make a

fucking point and stop wasting our time

I thought you were here to debate Maga

communism and you're talking about a

bunch of fucking jibber jabber going

from one thing to the next get to a

fucking point dude

all right all right all right all right

so do you think that material is that uh

is that which is empirically verified do

you think that

do I think it's reducible to that no

so what do you think it is reducible too

it's not reducible to anything that's

why I'm I believe in dialectics dumbass

dialectics is not much it cannot be

materialistic

okay well I beg to differ and so does

the entire School of Marxism leninism

you know what I'm gonna go on a hunch

and say they're wrong okay all right

we'll

any arguments

well like like you oh this is this is

what I love this is the

anti-intellectualism of your chat just

soyjacking that my me posting because

I'm the one trying to pin you down on

something intellectually tangible and

you're not like you're just you're not

making these noises so yeah my chat's

just gonna fucking soyjack you and

that's not anti-intellectual I'm

actually trying to have a rational

conversation with you and you're just

fucking posturing like a fucking dumbass

you're actually the anti-intellectual

here you disagree because like uh the

entire fuckboy

um Academy also disagrees

what

all right you know you want to get to

the meat and potatoes of the issue yeah

I do yeah let's get into the potatoes

maggot communism what do you define it

as what do you define mega communism as

Maga communism is a strategy according

to it

a strategy to do what

to contrive a communist movement in the

United States

from the soil of the Maga movement

wait contrive

can you repeat that

Maga communism

is the notion

that communism taken as a movement a

party or even just an idea will find its

fertile soil in the Maga movement

or nowhere else in the United States all

right we'll work with that I'll get i'll

you know I could quibble about if it's

an ideology or not but you know I don't

think your fans really give a shit so

um it's not an ideology because a saying

it's an ideology assumes that it's some

kind of new thing when it's just Marxism

leninism applied to the American context

ideologies are not what do you mean by

new things okay we are Marxist leninists

and we believe that the application of

the science of Marxism leninism in the

American context leads to the strategy

of Maga communism it's actually pretty

simple yeah I agree that that because I

agree that might be what the

characterization is but the the uh the

linchpin of an ideology is not on the

basis of it being new what does that

even mean

uh it doesn't have to be new it has to

be separate from Marxism Orthodox

Marxism no it couldn't it could just be

a new iteration of an ideology like

you've got structuralism and poster I am

not interested in a new iteration of

Marxism leninism

but it is a new iteration no it's not

calling we're talking about they're

talking about there's no difference

there's no difference between maggot

communism and Marxist leninism Marxism

latinism

no they're different categorically

they're different Maga communism is a

strategy whereas Marxism leninism is a

index of historical progress

encapsulated into a body of knowledge

and a school of knowledge so why would

you categorize them differently if

they're not different

because they belong to different