Debating Anthony 'Q' Omene on the Freedom Convoy

all right

let's do this

hello

hello he he he probably can't hear me

because his ears are uh blown out by the

the honking the honking was probably too

intense for him he probably can't hear

me i'll try maybe this will like fix it

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hello

okay i seem to hear you i worked it

worked great

okay now i can hear you

okay you want to cam up

uh yeah give me one second

you sound kind of nervous i'm nervous

why would i be nervous i don't know

i just hear it in your voice no i'm not

nervous

okay um

so

i want to know why

this such movement of the freedom convoy

and these

truckers that are in ottawa honking and

stuff why is this not a working-class

uprising okay so it is an uprising of

um

people with bourgeois characteristics

it's an uprising of

uh trucker owners are there

working-class people inside the protest

yeah anytime that you have a protest of

almost any characteristic you're gonna

have working-class people in it but is

it primarily composed of working-class

people no no it's not okay so the

organizers the organizer of the uh of

the protest uh tamara lytch an ex-cop um

benjamin d shea who was a candidate for

the people's party of canada pat king a

scammer associated with the yellow fest

and um the oh god i forget the name of

the last dude but he actually

was a wrecker of protesters in alberta i

mean they generally are not for the

working class uh they've never been

they're not associated with trucking in

anything but a tangential aspect except

for the last dude that i just mentioned

um who is an owner but are they

themselves working class people no now

are people that are of the working glass

that have gotten swept up into this yeah

absolutely

but some of them are owner operators

especially the ones that have been able

to park their trucks um in and around

like ottawa side avenues and honk their

horns all night um that wouldn't be

possible for most company drivers

because they would be cutting their

employer's throats

the first thing you said was that you

said these are the organizers and

leaders how are you qualifying that what

do you mean organizers and leaders

because upon looking into it it looks

like you organized the go fund me yeah

so that's exactly it so the people who

got in on the go fund me um seemed to be

able to also the there were also the

ones that when i say organized the

convoy i'm talking about they were the

ones that called the convoy to order got

other owners and owner operators to

support them uh both with funds and with

logistics talked about where they were

they've been on tv they've been on tv

for the last several weeks i know

they've been on tv they've been on tv

because the media has been isolating

them and claiming the face of the whole

thing okay but did you know anything

about them before i mentioned them i

don't care it's well you have to care if

you if you no because i looked into this

and there are no clear leaders hold on

we're going to tell you there are no

clear leaders of the convoy for a second

please dude yeah if you're going to tell

me about things that are happening in my

country the very least you could do is

investigate it for yourself before i

didn't talk over me i did

okay

i did and what i found was that there

are no clear leaders

organizing it then there aren't any

clear organizers the whole point is the

element of spontaneity was decisive no

there was no element yesterday what

happened to all these people okay

well what are the origins

what are the origins of the freedom

convoy what are the origins what are the

origins yeah you should know this

because it's your country right you're

doing it in one sense like i just told

you how did the whole thing start it

started with the okay started with

people that were that were kicking

against the vaccine mandate so in

alberta saskatchewan ontario and quebec

um there were several owners and no no

operators that were upset with the uh

the vaccine mandates and they're all

nazis right

they were all nazis right i never said

that you're saying the essence of this

movement i'm saying all these uh

i know we're on your show and like you

got to like play it up for the audience

like that i get that but talk to you oh

but you don't you don't play it up for

your fucking twitter followers

you sound a little different on my

fucking show than you do on twitter you

want to talk to me about like london and

petty like which you don't know shit

about okay hold on you want to talk

about london i pulled up from my chat

london wasn't even talking about that

first of all you denied

the conversation because these people

aren't peasants so again i know

yeah but i i just spent i just spent two

hours yeah i just spent two hours moving

you just imagine yeah prove anything

yeah i did i spent the last two hours

proving the connection between the

peasantry and the so-called owner

operators

in terms of the truckers and the owner

operators yeah sure you can you can you

can continue to express your ignorance

of what's actually being said here you

can either drive the fact

are you going to let me answer the

question no because you're going all

over the place and let's write it back

i don't care about your ignorance but

these are not peasants because you're

not familiar with what i said in the

first place so you're in no position to

address the argument on hannah as to

whether they qualify as a modern

equivalent of peasants or a fusion of

the proletariat in the peasantry you're

just not educated on this topic the

second thing though i wanted to get to

was the director of education for the

communist party of canada east toronto

club the communist party of canada can

kiss my ass the second thing yeah the

second thing we've done very low to get

there

oh how tall are you

six foot four you're six four and i'm

five eight right okay and i have hair

and you don't

so you to talk about my height oh you'd

have to get really down to get there and

you got to wait

you're not you're you communist party of

canada you're going to have to wait till

your hair grows back before you

motherfuckers have any relevance in your

country how about that

you're going to have to be waiting till

your hair grows back objectively you

made the claim and you cited a picture

that had nothing to do with it that

there was no middle peasantry before the

revolution you talked about small middle

peasantry i'm like what are you

referring to are you referring to did

you not read the development of

capitalism in russia written in 1899

hold on so you didn't read lenin then

you didn't read lenin lenin talks about

the middle peasantry he distinguishes

them

from the presence

the book is like right

okay

so you should know okay so you should

know then and this is what i just showed

my fucking uh chat you should know that

in chapter two the differentiation of

the peasantry the final section of that

chapter lenin and this is just an

arbitrary part that i picked out on

marxist.org lenin refers to the middle

peasantry multiple times distinguishes

them from the peasant bourgeoisie that

hires labor and also distinguishes them

from the peasant proletariat who sells

their labor the middle peasant owns land

does entire labor and is mostly in debt

actually right so there's a middle

peasant you denied the middle president

existed

i said that i said no you didn't you

claimed you claimed the middle president

was the petite

that joined

you claimed the middle peasant was the

same one that joined with the wealthy

peasants i will literally pull up

exactly what you said right here

i said in which lenin very carefully

pointed out that the polls 1861 the

wealthy peasantry took up the place

among the petit bush was the petite

first what do you mean

who were you wearing for people

yeah so you were referring to the middle

presents

so you were referring to the middle

peasants but that's not what lenin said

in the passage you showed that's not who

the middle peasants are so what's the

okay

carefully explain to me the difference

the middle peasants were the land owners

that were not able to hire additional

labor and work their own plots of land

but that isn't very it's not relevant or

germane too

okay okay so what's the difference

between the petite bourgeoisie and the

middle peasants according to what you

claim because the petite bourgeoisie

were the previously existing errors

aristocratic class and those they were

middle prisons were the people that had

recently been emancipated after 1861

after that eight years in which they

were not allowed to own land they were

able to purchase plots of land and then

hire other people to wait but lennon

said

you haven't read lenin lenin is the one

who said that the both the peasant

hold on

both the peasants

both the peasants

including the peasant petite

which is by the way you've failed to

define what petit bouzouzzi is doesn't

mean you hire other labor you're clearly

referring to the peasant bourgeoisie

that like i said

the small middle peasants much like the

petite bourgeoisie were able to hire

labor and work alongside themselves

they work alongside the people they hire

okay listen it's very simple okay for

lenin both the peasant proletariat and

the peasant bourgeoisie or the peasant

petite bouzouzi which you're

backtracking in your definition now both

of those arose

i'll explain why you're backtracking

both of those arose from the middle

peasant not from the former aristocracy

but from the middle peasant lenin's

whole point was that these class

differentiations were internal to the

middle peasantry itself okay finally

you're backtracking because what i

initially did was compare

the way in which the truckers owned

their own trucks to the way in which the

middle peasants own their own land and

you responded to that you responded to

that first by denying the middle

presence existed before 1917 and then by

claiming and then by claiming that

planning the jews that lenin accused the

middle presence of being with the

wealthy peasantry which wasn't fucking

true

here's exactly what fucking happened you

know this is exactly exactly what

happened airtight what i said is i

compared the way in which the truckers

own their trucks to the way in which the

middle peasants owned their land yes

then what you did hold on hold on before

we get into that we're going to get a

recap of what happened

then

then what you did then what you did what

percentage of people in the industry own

their own trucks hold on before we get

into that what percentage of people on

the canadian track obviously a minority

then what we said what minority how many

it does what is a stupid matter 25

okay

what percentage of hair follicles are

still on your head

all i had done was say that then you

responded by denying the middle

peasantry existed before the revolution

what percentage of my head are you to me

then then then you responded by denying

the middle peasantry exists in the first

place and when i corrected you by

talking about what lenin said about the

dem what he called the democratic petty

boozy which was a reference to the

middle peasants you claim that the

middle pleasantry lenin was talking

about were aligned with the wealthy

peasants you were fucking wrong you

didn't know what the fuck you were

talking about

you didn't know what the fuck you were

talking about i literally said the

wealthy peasantry bro yeah who you said

were aligned

with the so-called petite

you just changed how you define the

bourgeoisie

you just changed how you define the

petite

define the middle peasants as those who

own their own land you clearly made an

equivocation between middle present and

petite

i said the wealthy peasantry so what are

you talking about because you associated

the wealthy peasantry alongside the

petite bourgeoisie and by the petite

buzuazi don't be a fucking liar

took up their place alongside the petite

bourgeoisie yes the small yes the small

middle peasantry that you were referring

to barely evenings could be said to

exist until after they were the majority

they were the majority was the middle

present the whole point was the middle

peasant was turning into the proletariat

in bourgeoisie the class differentiation

was going on there the middle present

was the default the majority were always

missiled middle peasants they were never

one or the other they oscillated in

between that was what the middle

peasants fucking referred to they all

had in common that their anchoring point

was owning land they were exceedingly

poor if that's not the fucking point by

the middle peasant lenin is referring to

the middle of the peasant middle class

the very very poor was not the middle

present there was a word for the poor

listen

you're not aware of history you don't

know anything about history

dad gets it and they already agree with

you this isn't just for my chat it's for

all your fucking twitter followers the

rich peasant was back

watching this the rich peasant they will

watch it they will i'll make sure they

watch it the rich peasant was backed by

bukharin the poor peasant was backed by

trotsky the middle peasant was stalin

and lenin everyone knows that from

history the middle peasant was the

subject of lenin's revolution the middle

peasant it's not because they were poor

the most poor the most most most poor

were not the majority the majority were

the middle peasant so you need to be

honest and take the fucking l on the way

you tried to equate the petite bouzouzzi

would you like to align with that he

said okay would you like to go over what

he said about the middle peasant yeah

okay so when he talks about the

entire environment in which they find

themselves commodity production

tenderloin blah blah blah concentration

of production to the hands of minority

driving the majority into the ranks of

the proletariat

agricultural laborers a tendency he

wasn't saying the majority he wasn't

saying right now the majority are

proletarians

i know the majority were not wealthy

dude what i'm trying to say is he no

it's not about wealthy he wasn't saying

the majority were pulitarians he wasn't

saying that the tendency he was seeing

was already fully realized he was saying

this was the tendency there is a

tendency for wealth to be concentrated

into the hands of a few and for the

majority to be immiserated but that was

not

real it didn't already yeah but that was

just a tendency it did it wasn't fully

realized the majority were still middle

peasants what okay here's what i was

trying to explain to you is that the

owner operators would fall more along

the line of the wealthy peasantry that

you're referring to and that the small

middle peasantry that you were also

referring to were not largely prevalent

until after the revolution that's not

true the abolishment of private property

allowed them to be able to work their

own plots of land without indenturing

themselves that's why yeah yeah but

they were hold on

is that true yesterday

but they still all land even when they

were indentured they still own land

is it

i know they own land dude that's that's

the whole

the fact that they were peasant land

owners is what the puts them into that

class in the first place i'm talking

about were they able to work the plots

of land without indenturing themselves

no obviously not what does that have to

do with it okay so the truckers that

you're talking about the owner operators

are the

are comparable to the wealthy peasantry

really they own really more than one

vehicle and hire people no they don't a

tiny minority zoo a tiny minority of

them do most owner operators only own

their own truck that's what you've been

missing this whole time

they're like uber drivers freelance

laborers

what evidence do you have the majority

of owner operators own multiple trucks

what evidence do you have the majority

hire other labor what evidence

would you like to find out yes okay okay

let's go to south kent let's go to

scanning

the majority of owner operators hire

other labor that's what you're saying i

get these notices in my inbox on a more

on a daily basis all right so all i got

to do is just go and pull them up from

where they showed up in my gmail sure

right and link make sure to link them so

i can put it up for the for my chat to

see

all right and you're you're listening to

the cta the association of employers the

bosses as your source yeah this these

stats come from stat can and from the

canadian alliance of truckers sure what

bosses are you talking about sure cta

let's go seats no canadian alliance of

truckers canadian trucker association

all right which is what the article you

listen to

was referencing for its statistics

yeah

so where are you looking at do you want

me to pull up this stat can or do you

want it from the trucking alliance what

percentage of owner operators hire other

labor of the owner operators that have

multiple vehicles like no no no you

already failed if they're driving they

have multiple trucks do you think that

somebody who owns three trucks is

leaving two idle does that make any

sense do you know what capital

depreciation i am saying the majority of

opponents

the majority of owner operators own one

truck that's the fucking point they own

one truck they own one truck

according to what according to what do

you have evidence to the contrary

yes okay what what what is the

percentage of owner operators who own

multiple trucks all right so

43.6

is that a majority to you that have more

than one truck yeah

think about this so between

the owner operators right and the owners

the majority of trucks on the road are

run by either people who have a fleet of

vehicles or people that have more than

one vehicle what are you saying of the

of

owner's operators i'm saying the massive

majority of trucks that are on canadian

roads and enter like uh crossing the

border the vast majority of them are

either owned by a fleet or owned by

owner operators that are wealthy right

okay but just you hunt your

statisticians

43

only 43 of owner operators own multiple

20 of the trucks that are on the road

are owned by owner operators and of them

forty three point six percent of them

own more than one vehicle yes and it

would make sense

on the road at the same time you just

watch the statistics it's even less now

okay so let me get this straight clear

just to be clear

overall 43 of truckers are owner

operators that's what you're saying

right no 20 percent of truckers are all

your operators 20 of truckers are open

uh owner operators overall right right

all right okay of those truckers hold on

hold on 20 percent 43.6 of them have

more than one vehicle on the road so a

minority of owner operators have more

than one vehicle

okay sure

um which is what i said okay

that's that's literally what i just said

and

i guess i'm trying to i'm struggling to

understand what your point is here my

point is the majority of these owner

operators if the owner if the owner

operators first of all if if 43.6

if 43.6 percent of them have more than

one vehicle on the road that means that

they're working alongside their

employees

too

or it's a family business it could be a

lot of things but sure two two does the

fact that they have one vehicle mean

that they're actually driving the

vehicle no yeah it probably does i'm

gonna go ahead and say yes it does okay

well no it doesn't because i literally

fucking know owner operators that don't

drive their own vehicle so what percent

don't drive their own trucks we don't

know that doesn't i mean that we don't

know so i'm supposed to take your word

that you know

because hiring a driver

to drive in your stead isn't necessarily

tracked

it's just a matter of how many vehicles

do they have on the road that's the only

i'm going to go ahead and assume that

the majority okay

with the evidence we have

stick with me for a second yeah the only

way that we know whether or not

they actually hire people the only way

that you were able to assume that is

that they have more than one vehicle on

the road and i'm telling you i literally

know you personally only operators that

don't drive there listen to the brain

dead insanity

you sound

you sound stupid the people at the

protest are driving their own fucking

trucks okay so what are you talking

about are they hiring people to drive it

for them there so clearly they know how

to drive the trucks are they just

picking their employees out to drive it

themselves how does that support the

thesis that the majority of the people

at the protest hire other people's labor

and furthermore

so so are the people

are the people at these protests uh

hiring laborers to drive trucks to the

protest are they bringing their fleets

to the protest

you can't stick to a point are they

bringing their fleets to the protest

it's a feature point are they bringing

their fleets to the protest

paws again you're showing off are they

employed are they are they hiring labor

to go to the protest hey

a minority a minority of owner operators

have more than one vehicle where we

started a minority of owner operators

have more than one vehicle a minority

dude where we started was whether or not

the

the truckers that are at the protest are

nazis and i said no i don't think that

that's what you're shifting the goal

post it's about whether they're working

class it's about whether they're working

class it's about whether they're

majority working class second second

what we got into second where we got

into one no the first was about whether

they're working class remember

you came on here no i mocked you i

mocked you i mocked you about the nazi

thing you asked me if they're worried

because you accused everyone of being

nazi so i mocked you about that people

okay you said the people of the protest

are they working class and i said no but

no they're not i said are there

working-class people at the protest so

by and large they're not i said hold up

yes well you don't know the answer to

that question dude because if you go and

have you gone and you don't know it

either do you know it by first by dent

of the fact that the owners are

represented in the protest and the fact

that owner operators are also

represented in the protest almost half

of owner operators are able to hire

other people to drive fucks 43

and and we do know that owner operators

hire people to drive trucks in their

stead it can be said that this is

so the owner okay okay the owner

operators who are hiring others to drive

their one truck in their stead right are

they

um driving the truck to the protest i

don't know so why are they relevant

class people and i'm saying for the most

part no they're actually they are

because for the most part they only have

one truck and you're listening

you just probably believe in either of

us and are able to hire people you you

listen class q q listen

all you could do is try to keep talking

over me but when i nail you down you

have no defense

you ask dude

i'm not asking you a fucking question

i'm not asking you a question i'm

stating statements about science i asked

you for anything shut

shut the fuck up here's what just

happened literally shut the fuck up q q

guess what what's up 43

of owner operators hire other i have

other trucks now you introduce the

curveball well how many of them hire

people in their stead even if let's say

it's 10 percent

let's say 10

of owner operators own one truck but

hire people to do it for them right

those people are a non-relevant factor

because they couldn't possibly show up

to the fucking protest what are you

talking about because they don't drive

their own trucks so who are they hiring

people to drive the trucks to the

protest for them i'm talking about okay

you ask me they're not non-relevant

factors you ask me

that's whatever proportion of single

truck owners that hire other labor to do

it for them they're not at the protest

so they're a non-factor i've literally

been trying to say this for like 10

minutes but you don't let me speak and

you got blown the fuck out when you let

me speak you should probably keep

interrupting me dude it's not good for

you when i get to talk you ask me

questions and then when i answer your

questions finally regarding the

organizers there is no evidence that

this thing was started by them even if

they're raising the funds for it and

keeping it going

did the did the protest occur before

these organizers started to go fund me

yes or no yes the people were in ottawa

before the gold fund me was started not

in ottawa but the truckers were fucking

rebelling against the mandates

the convoy to ottawa even begin before

the gold fund me was started i have no

idea no no it wasn't okay convoy didn't

begin until after the gulf of me started

so how did how did that how did how do

you think the convoy started in ottawa

no it's a convoy it's a fucking convoy

it's not an ottawa sit-in it's a fucking

convoy

ottawa because they're in ottawa right

now they drove to ottawa so you're

saying

you're saying the whole convoy was

started by the five organizers i'm

saying the organizers of the gofundme

began the protest so you're saying the

gofundme began the entire protest yeah

what evidence do you have

the organizers of the pro the convoy did

not begin until the gofundme was in

place what evidence do you have for that

would you like to know when the gofundme

started yes versus when the convoy

started yes

okay all right

okay so the gofundme started about three

weeks ago but let me go back and get the

exact date hang on a second uh trucker

confirm

there we go so the gofundme funding

started january 14th

in october 2021 i mean this resistance

had been going on no when did the conor

boy begin us what convoy the freedom

convo yeah the convoys of ottawa like

when did they actually like get on the

convoy

raised over 5 million by january 25th

the first movements of the convoy

the first convoy departed on january

22nd before that money was raised

no

oh really so explain what happened

all right fundraising started on january

14th okay was that fundraising used for

to start the convoy i mean the trucks

didn't get on the road until after the

fundraiser started

really

as the convoy reached ontario the

protest didn't start until after the uh

the golden fund who knew about that

fucking gofundme can you give a timeline

of how much donations that government

was getting convoy departed prince

rupert on january the 22nd 22nd

yeah the

goal and they did that with the money it

raised

yes it does yes it actually does

you asked you said did the the trucking

protest preceded the gofundme i said no

it start the fundraising was begun on

january the 14th the first truck didn't

even leave till several days later bro

yeah but was the go fund me the reason

for why the truck left i never said i

knew about when the gofundme started but

let's get to the point here so the

organizers of the gold fund me were the

ones that spurred the the convoy so the

dude where's the evidence for this what

what what do you want me to say dude the

organizations that started the uh convoy

in the first place all right uh

uh

the uh the people that were associated

with the gold fund me were tamera legend

and ben dj yeah i know that's who

started the gofundme

so they're the reason for the

conversation

a couple of other people that dad king

who was associated previously with the

yellow vest movement supported the

gofundme and and got on his instagram

live and started telling people to go to

the gofundme and uh rally people to

start their engines up and make a convoy

to ottawa that hit uh forget the name of

these people that were all the way over

on the west coast um sorry that were in

alberta

that got their owner operators revved up

this is weird this is weird hold up hold

up hold on the gofundme started the 14th

right there we go uh vote fund me

started the 14th right yeah

why was it that it was only on the 15th

when the kova 19 vaccine requirements

were introduced by the government

so hold on it was a day later the name

of the organization it was canada unity

right james water and canada unity were

the ones that um got the owner operators

and some of the trucking companies and

from alberta in saskatchewan involved

and then it was on the 22nd that uh the

first set of trucks uh began the convoy

to ottawa so wait unless

okay the reason i'm saying that they're

all in alignment and they know each

other is because they were all part of

the yellow vests movement from years

before the canadian yellow vest movement

which is as old as about 2000 i forget

for 2000 late 2017 or early 2018 uh that

began but they were all organizing with

the ppc and the yellow vest movement

these people all know each other okay

right so

so the the the convoy earned how much

money

before it started getting mainstream

coverage and went viral what does it

matter how much coverage and mainstream

virality because because these people

because because guess what

hold on because these organizers not

about it from television a lot about it

from the facebook group because these

organizers okay it got started okay it

got organized

on a facebook group that got taken down

not from mainstream television hold on

whatever social media it went viral

these these no it didn't it didn't go

viral it didn't go viral it was actually

uh a closed group of people like it was

so so you're saying the gofundme started

to get a lot of donations so from

and a group of instagram accounts as

well as how much money did it get from

investors how much money did he get from

that by that point

before before they arrived in ottawa

they had raised somewhere in the

neighborhood about six and a half

million dollars yeah i know but that's

well after the convoy became viral the

convoy was fucking viral before ottawa

okay now finally as i said these these

organizers remember where we started

this conversation hey you asked me okay

you said these organizers

because i didn't know when the gofundme

started i didn't know when that started

but the whole point is

okay so we know that the gofundme

preceded the convoy yes right so what we

don't know hold on what we don't know is

if the gofundme was the reason for the

convoy happening i'm telling you the

same people that organized the convoy

also organized the same facebook group

yeah but here's the thing is that those

organizers always try a bunch of shit

right do you know how many people were

in that facebook group how many and how

many posts were there i think there was

about 174 000 posts in that group before

it got taken down it was already as you

say viral like okay it was already well

you just contradicted yourself then

what do you mean you said it wasn't

viral because it was a closed one viral

widespread on social media what i mean

is everybody knew about it you just

contradicted yourself it doesn't dude

what the fuck it doesn't matter there

was 1774 thousand posts in that facebook

group people knew what it was so you're

saying everyone okay so you're saying

the idea to have a convoy was started by

these people i'm saying the fact that

people got on the road and decided to

have the like actually got on the road

like filled up the trucks and went to

ottawa did the idea of having some sort

of a convoy begin with them no people

were talking about some sort of a mass

movement all the way since 2020 oh

really so the fact that these organizers

are the ones

who actually got to um do something

about it that proves that the widespread

sentiment behind wanting a convoy and

wanting a mass movement is necessarily

far right

that's not what i said okay i never said

that so you're saying these are the

leaders and these are the organizers and

yet these people

hold on but these people have no control

over the convoy these people don't

define what the convoy is

and their funds from the gofundme

their funds

from the gofundme were never even

distributed

so they what did they do what did they

do what did they do to organize

everything that's not true one million

dollars of it was actually distributed

that isn't true

okay which isn't enough to sustain what

it had become

so what did these organizers do to make

the freedom convoy

i'm pretty sure the freedom convoy was

made by truckers

they gave it the name the freedom convoy

they called it that

that round of applause they gave the

name guys they gave it the name

so is there like a secret nozzle

yeah yeah

it's a secret is there like a secret

nazi code of freedom so what we've

established here is we're talking about

kabbalah right there's a there's a

kabbalistic symbolic

numerological alphanumeric magical

occult

the freedom convoy spelling

is evoking nazism right started up until

eight days after the gofundme had begun

but they've got nothing to do with it

but and yet the gofundme was never not a

dollar of that fucking gofundme went to

the truckers at by that point so the

gofundme was immaterial why would it be

immaterial because the gofundme had

nothing to do with why truckers left the

22nd if you know that there is a

gofundme in your name supporting you

that by the time you've revved up your

engine and left had already hit

somewhere in the let's say like low

millions and by time you don't know how

much it hit that's the thing you don't

even know how much it is

you said a million was distributed less

than 10

of those funds were distributed so it's

not a million i don't know at the time

by the time the million was distributed

they had raised only six and a half

million dollars so ten percent of six

months

by the time it was frozen it was over

ten million dollars it was frozen on the

second of for everyone okay yeah yeah

but one million dollars was distributed

out of a six and a half years yeah that

was like at that point the convoy would

have left regardless of that gofundme

unless you can tell me how much the

gofundme raised by the 20 seconds so

knowing knowing that knowing that there

was energy for agitation and a possible

i don't know like a convoy or protest of

some kind that have been brewing since

2020 like late 2020 yeah why did it take

until the gofundme to start before

anyone because

i'll tell you exactly why because on

january and the mandates mind you

because on january 15th don't interrupt

me because on january 15th which was a

day after this gofundme the

uh canada implemented the requirement

for truckers to reenter the country by

land with a vac vaccine requirement that

was the 15th of january a day after the

gofundme that was what kicked it off i

think that do you think that that was

like everybody discovered on that day

that canada was going to implement

vaccines yes they of course yes

it was all over the fucking news and as

truckers of course they knew it

the federal government doesn't implement

mandates the day of and then tell nobody

about it until the day it happens they

announced that i think in november yeah

and when it actually starts because when

it starts to happen that's what kicks it

off

last year they knew that there was going

to be a mandate yeah in january and then

they decided to protest when it was

actually implemented

before coming back so when it was

actually implemented that's you know

what

what

you're saying is

if they listen if they pass a law that

says on the 15th of january um

everybody's going to have tomatoes

thrown at them and people start

protesting only after the tomatoes start

hitting them that's who cares of course

it was it wasn't it wasn't until a week

late it wasn't until a week after that

yeah but on the 15th do you think it

would make sense that if a law was going

to pass that you did not want to have

passed it would make sense to protest it

before it passes

you think you think the laws of

individual reason govern why these

potentials

i'll give an example i'll give you an

example protests are spontaneous

animalistic things they're not based on

reason i will give you they're not based

on reason that's fucking stupid

i'll give you an example so we knew that

there was going to be a raid on homeless

encampments by the toronto police

attorney yeah you're a liberal activist

over a week over a week before it

happened yeah do you think do you think

that people waited until the day of

before they showed up no protest because

they are because because they're not

because they're not people acting on the

basis of their spontaneous material

interests but they're they're liberal

rational activists who plan spontaneous

that people showed up to city hall and

to mayor john tory's house like to his

condo building no that was planned by

liberal actors

who had who listen

it wasn't based on spontaneous material

interest it was based on morality not

spontaneous material interest

what do you mean so it's going to be

more mediated more rational and it's not

going to just happen spontaneously

people were getting thrown out of a park

that were homeless

yeah and the reason there were protests

about that was because of morality no

they were so were the homeless

themselves

was it all the homeless so the truckers

the truckers are being affected so the

truckers go and protest out of their

material interests do you think that do

you think the homeless are being

protected you think that people in

homeless encampments weren't standing up

for themselves and also protesting i

doubt the majority of protesters were

holding jesus christ all of them were

they were all homeless the people in the

trinity bellwoods park that were about

to be thrown out that were protesters

the enchantments they were protesters

in protest

do you mean morality

bro the protesters were majority

homeless what at the trinity bellwood

spark encampment no not in trinity

bellwoods park but the ones who stormed

city hall or whatever the fuck you were

talking about i didn't say storm city

hall i went to protest at mayor john

tory's house and yeah though

they were all homeless i mean oh i would

say a lot of them were

majority or how many

um i mean out of the like you know a

couple of hundred that were there i

would say

most of them were people that were also

encamped at trinity bellwoods

i doubt that i just doubt it

i was there

well i i you what is your word worth

you're proven to be a liar do you want

me to wear a fucking gopro the next time

i go to a protest yeah you're a proven

liar so because what i know because

because for example

it's very rare as far as i know it's

it's very rare the activists at trinity

balwards were zoomers and landlords you

didn't even know what trinity bell would

want people in my chat are telling me

the different thing than you are right

okay

so i don't know how i can trust your

work says were they there

i think

he might have been there he actually

might have been there this guy lives in

canada so he might have been i mean sure

if whoever it is a saint that asked him

if they were there

yeah

he may as well have been there but

anyway

did you know that of the 50 000 trucks

let's say they raised 5 million that

would be a hundred dollars per truck so

you're saying by the 22nd even if they

raised 5 million by the 22nd i doubt

they even raised a million by then but

let's say they raised 5 million

do you think the truckers left on the

22nd because they were getting a hundred

dollars what are they gonna what are

they what are they gonna buy the new

call of duty i don't think the truckers

were financially incentivized by the

gofundme to go there so the gofundme

didn't mean shit the gofundme didn't

mean truckers were organized by the

gofundme organizers because they had had

a long history of organizing far-right

movements in canada so what do you mean

by organized

okay

are you aware of the yellow vest canada

movement who they are

let's forget about the yellow vest how

do they organize the truckers you can't

forget about the yellow vests because

they're the ones who are organizing this

protest

okay the same people but that's what

that's what what we have to set about to

prove how did they organize it

they go fund me they started the

facebook group facebook group and the

group one meeting

the gofundme within the facebook group

they're telling people to use zello to

communicate with one another and they

said this is when we're going to roll

out this is the day that we're going to

converge on ottawa this is what we're

going to ask for

okay what day were they planning on

rolling out

like when did they all leave

no what day did they plan to leave

they all left on the 22nd that's when

they planned

yes are you sure

i mean

can you prove to me and i don't know i

genuinely don't know can you prove to me

the organizers are

the reason they left on the 22nd um

would you like me to like try and find

something from that deleted facebook

group i'm pretty sure somebody who has i

mean

i i just want to know like why are these

organizers knew that they were leaving

on the 22nd because they said they were

planning to leave on the 22nd that's

when news cameras started covering them

so did the protest

how many left on the 22nd

here's

here's a possibility i'll entertain only

a few trucks left on the 22nd as soon as

the news media started covering it it

had a rollover effect no wall effect we

no we knew that they were leaving on the

22nd because they said so okay so the

whole convoy all 50 000 left on the 22nd

i don't know how many people left on the

20 seconds sorry uh 3 000 to 18 000 left

on this i don't know if it was 50 000 or

18 i know that they started hitting the

road on the 20 let's get to the meeting

every single news station in this

country was covering that asking let's

see

asking what their demands were they were

asking when they were planning on

leaving when they're going to be

converging on ottawa and so on and they

already had this information because it

was in those faces hold on let's let's

get to the meat and potatoes here the

whole point of this is

the freedom convoy phenomena is in no

way reducible to whatever intended aims

of the organizers as per their far-right

agenda it's just it's that simple did i

say that they were but i think it was

all reducible did i say it was all

reduced so what is the significance of

these five organizers because by the

time the freedom convoy assumed the

scale that it did you know what you know

what you know what okay rather than

talking about the points of difference

because i feel like i'm getting nowhere

here let's talk about the points of

similarity so no do do they do that no

you know you don't get to shit on me on

your fucking twitter and then hey you

don't get to shit on me on your twitter

and then come suck my cock when you're

swarmed hey you're not on twitter

anymore little boy you're not on twitter

anymore you're an enemy territory now on

twitter you get to ratio me and shit

here i say one's in the chat if this

guy's a dumbass and they say one's in

the chat

you're connecting people here that we're

actually doing work who do what work

have you done what work have you done

what work have you done what work have

you done all right chat cleared out in

regards to what in regards to in regards

to giving information about these

far-right organizations in regards to

writing about them in regards to showing

up at

any points protests people fed and

helping them find housing and delivering

food directly to people's homes so you

do charities you do charity you do

charities you do charity and you're a

shell of the liberals you're a shill of

trudeau you're a shield of the liberal

globalist you're a shill of the

establishment chill of the imperialist

chill of the ruling class and i don't

give a fuck about any charity you've

done in your life all right you asked me

what i did so i answered your question

yeah and it doesn't it sounds like a

whole lot of nothing politically

speaking i mean what have you been doing

i've been doing i have almost

single-handedly with like one other

person now two other people kick-started

an entirely new political current in

this country

who have you housed

that's not politics that's not politics

that's charity that's charity i'll go

work in a soup kitchen instead of this

hey hey no no that's called charity and

i'll go work at a soup kitchen instead

of doing the shit i'm doing if i wanted

to do that

people need help you want to know what

i've done you want to know what i've

done dude you want to know what i've

done that will be a thousand fold better

than anything you've done in your

fucking life

i've

distinguished myself

from people like you the fact that i

exist is enough

the fact that i exist is enough the fact

i have a following that i do is enough

the fact that we have distinguished

ourselves from you the synthetic left is

enough

once we get this shit rolling it's over

for all of you but you so you're saying

you haven't actually done shit

oh i haven't done charity no

okay

i haven't done charity i've just managed

to plant the seeds of a movement

that is going to overwhelm you fake

leftists and fake mls into irrelevance

good luck with that hey hey thank you

rockstar hey thank you so much mom bella

hey let me ask you something q you're on

twitch you get five viewers here there's

not a single fucking marxist leninist on

this platform that comes close to me on

youtube not a single marxist leninist

live streamer that comes close to me i'm

the big motherfucking daddy of this

scene when it comes to streaming marxism

leninism and it's gonna fucking stay

that way now isn't it

yeah you could you get away with the

shit you do on twitter

twitter you have 80 000 followers you

think you're a big guy you're not shit

here you're not shit here q

you're not shitty

you have nothing here you here

everyone's against you here you came on

the show and i asked you as a man i

asked you q why are you coming at me on

twitter i don't even know what the fuck

you are you know what you said you said

well everyone else was doing it so i

joined it's not what i said

is that what a man says is that what a

man says

the answer is because you attacked my

friend oh i attacked your friend and

then today and then today the reason i

responded to you yeah again because you

attacked one of my friends i attacked

one of your friends who are your friends

what makes them your friends somebody

who works with me in my party you notice

that congrats

your party is full of revisionists

hold up do you want to say the only time

that you and i ever happen to cross

swords is when you come after people

that are either my friends or comrades

have you noticed that your friends and

comrades are scum your party is run by

scum and revisionist traders traitors

sellouts and revisionists my friends

are out feeding people and defending

them i don't give a fuck about their

trainer revisionists

traitors that's your party that's the

leadership of your party well where were

they when gorbachev was destroying the

soviet union you bet fucking gorbachev

your people back

you're the fucking traitors that were

fucking speaking for gorbachev when he

was destroying the soviet union your

fucking party cited against china when

the revisionist khrushchev took power in

the soviet union your party took their

side

fucking tell me about your revisionist

party of traders and sellouts

the revisionist when he denounced stalin

they sided with gorbachev when he was

dismantling the soviet union they are

traitors and sellouts throughout the

entirety of their existence

it's impossible for them to have done

that because the party was illegal at

the time it doesn't matter oh so they

didn't exist at all

no they didn't they were fucking illegal

so because they were illegal there was

no communists in canada get the fuck out

of here the party was illegal at the

time there was no communist party of

canada at the time oh okay

but they so they didn't exist or they

didn't exist officially they didn't

exist no they didn't exist actually

party they had a front party they had a

front party aligned with the soviet

union don't give me that bullshit they

didn't exist they didn't okay are you

aware of the gusenko affair did you know

what that was the what the gusenko

affair no

okay so

there was a russian uh uh diplomat by

the name of igor kazan okay they made it

illegal because of infiltration

they were aligned with the soviets

your the people who founded your party

are revisionist traders and

sellouts we actually got banned because

they thought that we were aligned with

stalin

okay

and yet when when did the party come

back not until the early 2000s okay the

early 2000s and who founded who returned

that party

uh miguel figueroa okay and who's he

what's his legacy

did he have any history with the party

before any affiliation anything uh not

affiliation per se he'd follow the

lawsuit against the government to be

able to get the party to be able to

raise money again so who was he what was

his past

what happened was in the 1990s it became

illegal for the government to strip

funds from any party that had raised

below a certain amount and gotten a

certain amount of signatures but even

though the law was already passed it

wasn't being enforced figueroa was

responsible for taking the federal

government to the supreme court and uh

letting like forcing them to what was

his past what was his past

what was his past yeah

um as an organizer why was he a

communist before he refounded the

communist party i mean he had communist

principles sure was he aligned with

communist affiliated organizations was

he aligned well the thing okay so the

party existed but it couldn't raise any

funds by the 2000s so it did exist it

did exist between the mid-1990s and 2000

there was a party but it wasn't a party

there was a party but it couldn't raise

any money so it's basically a parking

paper listen the truth is there were

canadian the communist party was founded

when 21 under conditions of illegality

so they were illegal in 21 they still

existed you are gonna have a hard time

i'm don't make me pull up the wikipedia

of the communist party of canada and

embarrass you right now you're gonna

have a hard time convincing me that they

existed under no circumstances after

that uh affair you talked about that

made them illegal so they had front

organizations and shit they were aligned

with the soviet union they sided with

khrushchev just like the american

communist party did and you are

flaunting their leadership which has

accomplished fucking nothing traitors

revisionists and sellouts who tailed

behind the liberals and i'm supposed to

respect this party like i'm not i'm not

sure what's exactly getting out i'm

getting at that your party is run by

revisionists and traders and sellers

okay so so what's your okay

i'm having a really hard time with this

right now because i'm trying to figure

out whether you're trying to say a that

we're revisionists and sellouts or that

be we've done nothing it's it's one of

two things so who are revisionists

look at this shit the parties still

existed from 45 to 91 even after it was

banned it still existed it's literally

on wikipedia the party didn't exist and

they couldn't raise funds dude it

existed in 56 return of prominent party

members salzburg from a trip uh salzburg

reported his findings in the mid-1960s

the estimated the party had 3 500

members in the mid 60s i mean this is

embarrassing q are you going to refute

this wikipedia by the mid 60s the united

states department of state estimated the

is this like a

map are they ghosts are they ghosts

roaming the earth from a distant past

what are you talking about there were 3

500 members of the party in the

mid-1960s and you said the party did not

exist did you see a problem effectively

the party couldn't the party did not

exist and yet there were 3 500 members

as estimated by the united states

department of state wow don't show this

to your twitter followers this is

embarrassing

i mean sure this is bad i'm looking at

your face right now you look humiliated

embarrassed destroyed

drag through the fucking mud i would

never want to be uq i would never want

to be you

being 6'4 hasn't helped you here q maybe

add a few inches it'll help you

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yeah that's all you can say huffling and

defeat all right all right you got

destroyed

you got fucking destroyed because i

don't know what the point of this is my

point is the party did exist the party

did exist at the time you said it didn't

exist and they will revision as traitors

and sellouts who sided with khrushchev

when he denounced stalin why did

khrushchev denounce stalin khrushchev

denon stalin because

the

desalinization of russia was according

to pushoff necessary for that's what's

the real reason because he was saving

his ass along with his other bureaucrats

scum

from being purged by stalin's democratic

revolutions that it empowered the

russian people at the expense of these

bureaucrats scum

or do you want to talk over me because

you don't know the answer to the

question you're saying according to

khrushchev i don't give a fuck what

about saying according to khrushchev it

was necessary to keep the union together

yeah

necessary that would it wasn't true the

real reason was because he was saving

his own fucking skin from an another

purge another stalinist purge and guess

what your canadian communist party also

have saved their own skin and evaded a

fucking purge and since then communists

in the west have never been able to win

the fucking working class because you

traitors revisionists and sellouts you

hate the working class you hate the

people you side with the bureaucrats the

professional managerials and the

specialists against the overwhelming

majority of the people you hated the

russian peasant you hated the chinese

present mao took care of you that's okay

during his cultural revolution and

that's why that whole thing happened and

you hate the working class in america

you hate the working class of canada you

hate the truckers you hate the people

you love your own intellectual parasite

scar

okay so i'll let you talk i'll let you

get through like whatever you had to get

through all right like i'll let you say

all that cool are we are you done have

you got all of your system go ahead say

what you got to say q the wounded cube

all right cue the wounded

hey um cue the

you wounded

revisionists and professional

managerials okay okay i've had your

phone for decades okay being serious i'm

being serious like i'm entertaining you

as far as i can yeah

got on this to have a conversation about

whether the truckers were working fast

moving or not which they are also like

what does the party is doing in regards

to the manager freedom convoy is a

working-class movement and i'm saying

you know what it is

you failed explain to you but you found

that 43

of independent owners hire other people

or have other trucks 80

of truckers currently operating on

canadian roads so of the about 330 000

truckers on canadian roads okay

eighty percent of them

are

company drivers

does that include people missing

somebody else does that include people

misclassified

as operator owners forced to do so by

their companies 80

i mean salaried employees okay are you

aware of the phenomena of

misclassification of owner operators who

are forced to list their llc's that

people

are owner operators

all right answer the question are you

aware of the phenomena of owner

operators 300 okay

what do you mean misclassification

there's about 20 of them because you

don't know about this you don't even

know about this because business owners

will force their employees to list them

on their llc's that they're independent

business owners

so they'll be listed as owner operators

but they're not early in this

conversation that i have family members

or truckers i explain to you is one of

the first things that i so

some of those people who are being

listed as owner operators aren't right

right

some of the people who are being listed

as owning those trucks don't they're

forced to list that way by their

companies okay okay okay so let me do

the same thing how many what percentage

of those are misclassified house i don't

know i just know it's a very widespread

phenomena all i know i listen i could

probably try to look up statistics talk

about it so because i do know because

what i do know it's a very widespread

phenomenon what we know going from what

we know the information that is

available to both of us going from what

we know about eighty percent of them are

company drivers the other twenty percent

of them okay

do those company drivers have the choice

to protest sure

everybody has

sorry did the company drivers have a

choice to protest i mean they could if

they want to generally they're probably

not you know where they are do they have

a choice really where are they a couple

what will happen to them if they protest

i mean their owners would probably be

happy if they joined the protest but

they're trying to know their owners

would be happy when the association of

owners and employers came out against it

the canadian

truckers association came out against

this so why would the owners be happy

the canadian trucking alliance came out

against the protest there are still

owners that have supported the protest

but the alliance itself says no our

truckers are vaccinated and we're okay

with demand those are the employers 87

between 87 and 90 percent of all

truckers in canada are vaccinated so

here's that's according to the cta i

have no reason to believe them

okay sure

there are those that's the association

of bosses and employers why the fuck

would you rely on them as an

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talking about the owners would probably

be happy that they're protesting where

are you getting that information from

why would the owners be happy they're

protesting are the majority of owners

behind the protests do you think it's in

their interest to lie and then say we do

not support the protest and we support

the mandates when secretly supporting

like i'm not sure where you're going

with this because

because here's the truth the cta

represents the corporate monopoly

no no don't interrupt me they represent

the corporate monopoly trucker companies

you have no one you have no information

or proof that they're lying so we can go

buy the best of you yeah because they

have an interest to be against they have

an interest to be against

they have an interest

they have an interest to lie they do

have an interest to lie they do have an

interest to lie

the highest concentration of uh trucking

companies in canada do you know where

it's located

no

okay so the highest concentration of

trucking companies is located in pl

region do you know what the vaccination

update created is in peel region because

there's about there's roughly 2 000

trucking companies in the pl region

right okay accounting for a significant

portion of drivers and the vaccination

uptake rate in the appeal region is

90

okay so so is that is that going to

reflect among the truckers we don't know

all i know is the cta does have a

fucking incentive to lie about it

the highest concentration of these

companies exists in this one region that

is 90 you are playing with statistics

what does that mean highest

concentration are you saying 60

exist in that region

if the region is is highly

representative of what the industry

looks like why would they lie in the

statistics

q the highest concentration doesn't mean

it's representative first of all you

don't know what statistics you don't

even know what you're talking about when

it comes to statistics i literally

with any statistics right now

because just going off of what you

fucking said you haven't actually

provided me anything and you're saying

this is wrong and i don't believe it

because reasons but you haven't provided

me anything hey hey guess what's cute

guess what pause how many hus how many

actual

tidbits of information have you provided

yeah i'll provide you right now

one third of owner operators say they've

owned more than one truck at some point

less than half owned more than two only

ten percent owned more than one truck at

the time of the survey fifty-six percent

on two eight percent owned more than six

twelve percent on three to four twenty

four percent on five to six among those

who do own more than one

and among those it's not 43 according to

my source it's one-third that's my

statistic well mine says 43. well yours

is wrong and mine is right okay so

mine has more information mine actually

breaks it down somewhere between so mine

says 43 yours is one third big fucking

okay but mine mine actually breaks it

down

56 hold on 56

of that one-third have only ever owned

two trucks and what i actually think

that means isn't that they own them

simultaneously i don't actually even

think it means they own them

simultaneously it means they've owned

two trucks in their lifetime you got the

statistics wrong it doesn't say

simultaneous ownership of two trucks

that's they've owned it in their

lifetime so it doesn't even mean forty

three percent are hiring others your

smart says one third

yeah

if i own more than one truck at the same

time no

no no it doesn't no that doesn't no it

doesn't no it doesn't no it doesn't i

don't i'm just listening to you i'm only

then listen to what i just said

at some point at some point which means

it wasn't simultaneous they've owned

more than two trucks in their life okay

it's not simultaneous that's why only

ten percent of respondents owned more

than one truck at the time

at the time of the survey only 10

percent of canadian truck owner

operators only 10

owned more than one at the time of the

survey i'm asking you your sources out

of canadian truck owner operators

canadian right

yes

canadian okay so the canadian uh your

sources out of canadian truck owner

operators

uh one third or more than one truck at

one point okay not as of the time the

survey was taken in which case only 10

percent owned more than one wow

either there was a stark class

degradation where they lost a bunch of

money they can't afford it or what it's

referring to is how much you've owned in

total so either one is likely to me but

it's clear that at the time the survey

was taken it's like what's like what's

likely to me is that when hold on a

second okay so we're first of all

where's your shorts because i don't have

a look at it too but what's like in my

fact checking it's in fact okay

it's in where fact checking this was a

survey by the mac blackwell

yes mac blackwell rule transportation

center

hang on a second

dude

first of all this is not a canadian

source second this is from 2012.

one okay so what do you think something

radically changed since then

this is from 2000 this is from 10 years

ago and it's not a canadian source so

what

so it's not relevant

yes it is relevant you can't this is an

american source dude

is it about canada or no

this where did the protest happen

in canada

so why would you give me an american

source from 2012. an american source on

canada sure

no it's not on canada doesn't say

anything about canada in here

okay well this is what my people have

given me so we don't know

sure i mean your people can give you

that but it has no relevance to what's

happening here but it does call into

question

a lot of questions like do they own more

than two simultaneously

okay this is why this is why it's

confusing give me give me your source i

gave you my source what i gave you my

source give me yours

i give you mine you give me yours

all right

and 2012 wasn't even that long ago

it was that was 10 years ago dude and it

was in america like can you link me your

source since i gave you mine

i'm

looking it up again because this this

was like an hour ago in our conversation

oh yeah and you think this is a w don't

you by the way

i don't think it's anything i just think

you just asked me for a random source i

just gave you one it has nothing to do

with the fucking arguments we just had

not did it you got fucking destroyed

you got fucking destroyed you know it

just you gave me a 10 year old source

that wasn't even in this country yeah

and that source actually raises more

questions

that source raises more questions at the

time your survey was taken how many did

they own i want to see your source this

was 2 000 i want to see your source 2020

or 2019 okay give me your source where

is it

all right

put it in fact checking where is your

source we're still waiting for your

source

it's the it raises many questions

yeah

from three years ago before the pandemic

too this was before the fucking pandemic

by the way it doesn't yeah it does

matter you don't think the pandemic

changed all this

here's what matters is the fact that

it's in canada and it's relatively

recent

no

it happened before the pandemic leave it

all

before the fucking pandemic

all right do you think do you think yeah

yeah and also even if it's from arkansas

i'm gonna even push back even more

the fact that it's from the fact that

it's from an arkansas the fact is from

an arkansas source doesn't even change

the class nature of owner operators

being the same in america as they as it

is in canada so it's not even fucking

relevant even you pointed out that this

is why it raises questions to you

because one third of those people were

the same as the 43 percent you gave me

so it seems like it's the same class

with the same tendencies both in canada

and america 33

43

more or less in the same ballpark as you

yourself fucking said and that same

source said even that though that was

the case only 10 at the time the survey

was taken had more than two at the time

so i want to know that calls into

questions how many in your source was it

10 also in your source a 10 year old

source okay but but you yourself

recognized that 43

as a proportion of questions it's very

similar to 33 percent

so

we actually have to see it opens more

questions what is meant by saying who

trucks what is actually meant by that

does it mean at the time the survey was

taken and where is your source i still

don't have it hang on a second i got two

there's one i don't know idea from 2019

remember profile survey and then

the there we go

it's working industry in canada dossier

key figures uh just link it holy fuck i

took two seconds for me to give it to

you it's right there trucking industry

in canada okay fuck out dude the

relevant part and then hold up hold up

hold the dossier is right here what is

the relevance part that you cited i'm

going to link you to the pd yeah go look

through it for your own fucking self

dude come on what did you say this is

what i had to do you go ahead and do the

same damn thing what did you are you

scared to reveal the fucking truth what

did you fucking say right okay

i'm not reading through this again for

you dude i did so

i gave you mine you won't give me your

information look at scaredy q are you a

scared eq what's wrong

scared eq what's wrong why are you so

scared of the truth

there are no reliable statistics on the

number of owner operators in canada with

estimates ranging anywhere from thirty

five thousand to sixty thousand the fact

that there is no real definition of an

owner operator complicates the matter

holy shit that's truck news in canada is

saying that sounds kind of like you're

hiding something cute sounds like you're

hiding the source sounds kind of like

the source is right there in your

fact-check dude sounds like you're not

even fucking giving me anything about

ownership

this is what he gave me guys look at

what he gave me literally nothing he

gave me nothing

not only did i give you the source it's

right there dude you can download it as

a pdf it is right right there i gave you

the link to the pdf file this is

something uh volk just gave me i'm gonna

look at this

the major the average canadian owner

operator owns approximately one truck

and one trailer for which the regular

price okay

one truck

one truck so this is a source i have

um are there any specific statistics the

average amount that someone gave me

let's see if they actually break it down

in numbers so this source says the

average amount owns one truck okay the

average canadian owner operator only

owns one which is the same shit i

fucking said

but it's not specific enough let's look

at your sources

so if there are less than half of people

that own multiple trucks

look at what you get oh no hold on hold

up simple guys look at what he gave me

simple stats simple stats look he wants

me to pay 495

look at what he gave me guys look at

what he gave me

guys he gave me something that's 495 q

what the fuck are you hiding

okay would you

would you like me to download the pdf

and scan it and send it to you did you

pay 495 dollars for this no no i didn't

pay for that how did you access this

would you like me to tell you one stream

you can access just about anything

okay

you can if you if you know the right

sources to plug them into you can access

just about anything

okay

all right

so i'll buy average

what

i'm just i mean

i don't care if you bite or not i'm

looking right at it but the average if

you say that the average

um

the purchase doesn't go through the

average pawn the purchase doesn't go

through one truck in one trailer

but less than half of them own multiple

does it nonsense the reason that the

average would still be one truck in one

trailer

what

can we say it again

if 40 odd percent of people or more than

one vehicle but more than half own one

truck and one trailer would have

nonsense the reason that the average

person almost one truck in one trailer

i don't think that's how averages work

60 percent is the average

it depends on how much trucks the 43

percent own we don't know

that that's what it is so your

statistics are called into question

they're not even reliable statistics

because no one can see them i just don't

care i really at this point so you don't

so your specifics are bullshit

in the morning i'm fucking tired i don't

care dude i really don't care so you so

you're soy cedaring out conceding

i'm what i just don't care i'm gonna

pull sam cedar

i don't care anymore so you're conceding

dude i don't give a shit which one i

don't care i really do not care listen

when your mom asked me to come on and

have this conversation so it's a soy

concealer as long as we're not going to

be yelling at you we have a sam conceder

you've been yelling and trying to

appreciate yeah so this is the same

concealer for the last cup so so hold on

we just got a sandwich just dude i don't

you don't care right hair

why couldn't i say i don't care when i

asked you for when you asked me for my

sources how many times in this

conversation have you had i not given

you my source

had i not hold on had i not given you

hold on

had i not given you my source you

wouldn't have been able to find out any

flaws had i given you my source i would

not have been able to give you my my uh

you wouldn't have been able to point out

any flaws you're not giving me your

source i just gave you the information

okay i gave you a link to the

information that i had if you want to go

ahead and like pull it up that's

completely fine i can't pay you you know

you don't know it's good it's good it's

fine it's fine let me go find it let me

go find another one but like at this

point yeah find another one because i

don't care if you care

if you want to win the argument you

actually do have to care i don't care

about winning an argument listen your

mom asked me to come on and talk about

whether you know whether this is a uh

working

we don't know if 43

we don't even know 43 background of the

people that had organized the protests

and all that i said sure yeah i'm happy

to come and talk about that

so things that remain unproven okay

things that remain unproven

it's unproven that those five people

every time i open my mouth when you ask

me a question you talk over me unproven

irritating and exhausting like you're

talking like you're talking like a dude

who's five five really but yeah yeah

talking like somebody that does not know

how to have a conversation i have

conversations with people who don't talk

shit about me on twitter do you have

conversations with people who don't talk

shit about me on twitter

hey

dude you don't get to talk shit about me

on twitter

you don't get to talk shit about me on

twitter and expect me not to bring the

heat on listen i don't give a shit and

you're like well i won well i don't care

if you fucking think you won or not

but i did we talked about

what i thought this is a working-class

protest and i'm saying to you which

isn't and why not why isn't it

by dent of the fact that 80 of people

that drive trucks in this country are

company employees and you haven't

concerned themselves yourself with any

of them whatsoever

can they protest hold on can they

protest

in the united states side of the border

and can't get into canada you haven't

talked about that at all tell us okay

okay

hey hey you're not concerned you're not

concerned with the starving workers of

petrograd you bolsheviks don't give me

your fucking bullshit now tell me

something q now tell me something q hey

q q

because that wasn't a lot because you're

making every count a revolutionary

argument in history you're making every

count of revolutionary argument in

history q the 80

do they have a choice to protest what

happens if they protest the vulnerable

80 percent who are often migrants who

often are not even citizens can they

protest

do you know that there's over 2 000 of

them that cannot get into canada right

now because they're being blocked by

other truckers that are stopping okay

sure

it's an inconvenience of every uprising

they're sleeping in their trucks because

they can't get back into the way and

guess what revolutions are unpleasant

affairs and a lot of people get

negatively affected

well it is an uprising of some kind so

that your fucking moralistic

personalized bullshit argument means

fucking

the owner so cute i i like to think of

things in terms of politics and not the

personal misfortunes that the cue

okay

what about the violence of black lives

matter what about the violence of black

lives matter when cities were destroyed

during the violence and black lives

matter

yeah dude

what about all the people whose

livelihoods were destroyed

do you ever get tired like so do you do

you denounce black lives matter protests

do you denounce black lives matter

protests

what you do

what does that have to do with anything

because they did lead to a lot of havoc

and destruction in cities of of people's

livelihoods and shit

you don't care about those people who

are badly affected by black lives matter

and violence

you don't care about the people badly

affected by the protests there

plenty of people

there was a lot of violence plenty of

people were assaulted plenty of people

had yeah a lot of people were beaten up

like a lot of shops black owned shops

were torched and destroyed

does that mean we should denounce the

protest then

because of all the people negatively

affected it means if you're destroying

people's shops black owned shops then

yeah they should be denounced worthy so

the whole protest should be denounced

because of that george floyd doesn't

matter because of that

i didn't say that

so how can you can't you can't denounce

an entire thing because some people the

right announcements are negatively

affected by it did at any point that i

denounced this protest

you're actually gonna surrender so hard

you're gonna backtrack on your original

position and denounce the point and not

denounce the protesters

in the first place you're saying you

never denounced the trucker convoy

protest oh so

so suddenly it's not you sent me a

fucking video of a guy talking about the

great replacement saying he's not my

comrade they said that the people who

organized the protest are not my

comrades and i showed you a picture

okay hold on but you are denouncing the

protest you are saying the protest

because let's do the math it's not

working class it's wealthy how many oh

my god it's wealthy privileged people

how many times have i said in the last

several days that everybody has a right

to exercise protest

what did you say after that did i say

that they were i agree with the fact

that they're running air horns all night

no that's because oh yeah it's like what

do they have listen

yes i i like the black lives matter

protesters but they're just taking it

too far you sound that's how you sound

right now is that what i said yeah i

mean i don't know i don't mind people's

right to protest but the horns come on

it's getting into my beauty sleep so

cute

as just the same as during the uprising

when people were smashing up uh black

owned shops like small business owner

shops i said the exact same thing

there's absolutely no reason why if

you're going to go smash up a shop and

you smash up a target i don't give a

shit if you smash up somebody's

convenience store yeah that's a fucking

problem and you shouldn't do it okay so

so cute so cute

from the very beginning so let's get

back to the original point let's get

back to the original point you're

talking about the 2 000 people

negatively affected that i don't

supposedly care about is it that i don't

care about them or is it an inconvenient

side effect of something much more

important and fundamental now finally

cue 80

80 of those protesters i'm sorry 80 of

those truckers have no fucking choice

they can't protest or they get fucking

fired or deported they are absolutely

vulnerable at the mercy of their

employees vaccinated what is there for

them to protest they had no choice to

get vaccinated

but they did they want to get vaccinated

i mean i don't know if you asked them

why was it mandated then why where did

they have to be forced on bond of

getting fired so the people that

actually can

remain this this is the logic of cube

this is your logic cube what you're

saying is asking me questions you're

saying you're saying you're saying

there's a there's a let's say let's say

someone let's say someone invades a

country let's say someone invades a

country let's you know what it's like

it's like it's like when israel it's

like when israel goes into palestine

it's like it's like if israel goes into

palestine and they round up all of the

people who can't defend themselves women

and children and then the men who are

too privileged enough to be able to

fight back they're too privileged they

don't care about the women and children

why is hamas using human shields hamas

is using human shields that's how you

fucking sound it's fucking stupid how

many people were vaccinated last

november jew what does it fucking happen

what percentage it matters because what

percentage was based on

mandates what percentage what percentage

had a choice

the mandate didn't begin until this year

and over 19 percent of them overnight oh

really there was no employer mandates

there was no employer mandated 87 of

people were vaccinated prior to the

announcement hey guess what

there was no mandates at all based on

the employers the one for the federal

government no there was no mandate yet

not from the federal government quincy

not from the federal government but from

the private companies

the private

okay when we talk about private or

employer mandates well we're talking

about mandates we're talking about

government mandates no we're talking

about all mandates which began in 2019.

okay

what what

all mandates for what

uh sorry began in 2020

recovered yes

how could the mandate begin for colvid

to get vaccinated when the vaccines

weren't available

in late 2020 the vaccines weren't

available here in canada they weren't

available in late late 2020's people the

mass vaccination drive for people that

were from like 18 to 40 wasn't until

around april of last year so what are

you talking about okay as of april of

last year the mandate started

no the mandates didn't start then that's

when people they started last year after

the vaccines rolled out employee

employers started to force their

employees to get vaccinated they didn't

yes they did it wasn't just from the

fucking government

all right

according to what

according to what

what do you mean yeah december december

9th 2020 canada authorized the first

cover 19 vaccine so i was right no yeah

2021 is when the vax mandate started

exactly no dude yes people okay unless

you were working in the healthcare

industry if you were 18 years old or

older you weren't able to get the

vaccine until somewhere around april you

know why because i was one of the first

in my like in my family to get roll out

was late

as it was your facts are okay

canada

vaccine

and the main dates weren't on a

provincial level until somewhere around

like i figured it was less okay so this

is the actual statistics

so you can look on my stream at these

statistics

december 10th

there was thousands of doses

administrated there was 30 000 by

january 13th and then by february 25th

there was 58 000 and you want to look up

they steadily in march there was 148 000

doses

what you're saying is bullshit

how many people live in canada dude how

many people live in canada but hold on

35 million 35 million okay you're

talking about like a fraction of a

percent dude

no i'm not because this is every single

day thousands of this is 73 000 in march

6th

and then march 7th it's like 70 000 so

it's every single day

and then

in april there's not even any

statistical significance of april in

fact there's a dip

sometime here

oh this is may 1st but there's no

statistical significance of april

whatsoever there's a continuous increase

it's completely arbitrage why would you

say it began in april that's wrong

how can there have been doses

administrated as early

december schedule their first as early

our as

as december 14th those are there we go

oh okay so what was in april was

actually may as of 8 am tuesday may 18

2021 individuals age 18 are over in 2021

was it may

quincy it was not even later than i said

it was later it was actually quincy no

it wasn't this is december 21st looking

at the announcement right now quincy

then your announcement needs to

accomplish i live in ontario i'm telling

you

january 16th 37 000 doses dude

it didn't become available for people 18

or over until may of last year so these

were all children

what no it wasn't even available for

children yet it was available for people

who worked in the health care industry

so how were all these people taking it

in february and january and then march

and in april for the immuno compromised

the elderly and people who worked in

healthcare so these were all the immuno

compromised the elderly and

who else people in working health care

okay yeah that was all these people

there had to be special circumstances

for you to get access to the vaccine

they were why isn't there a

statistically significant

jump after may it's a continuous

increase no or care i'm telling you

would you like me to

which is your fucking the link would you

like to fucking vlog because you're

fucking right here there you go go look

at you there you go oh look

all right

okay it's

you quincy

vaccine booking is expanding to

ontarians 18 plus ahead of schedule

yes

province invites all adults to schedule

their first dose appointment yes

so this is all adults

yes it wasn't available to anybody

besides the health care workers the

immuno quality in ontario quincy

okay and your point not all of canada

jesus christ okay so one was available

in the rest of the provinces i gave you

one give me the rest

it's right here it's very clear

all right let's go and have a look at

quebec because ontario is the most

popular yeah i'll link it right here

here we go this is the cover 19 tracker

all right

why are we even talking about this dude

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quebec opening

on may the 3rd

why did you think ontario's the same as

the rest of the country

when quebec quebec got theirs on may the

third let's have a look at british

columbia

uh also may 2021

starting to see a trend then how do you

explain

it's almost like

just about every province made the first

vaccine that was available to the broad

population over 18 around may of 2021.

even later there's no statistically

significant job i don't think those

dude that's what it was i i literally

gave you i literally gave you a link to

the province's website and if you'd like

me to give you that

it's it's interesting

because there's no

provinces in the country there's no

statistically significant

alberta vaccine

you're literally saying to me that

because you can't find something that

disproves the fact that our provinces

literally said hey this is when the

first dose is available i did find

something that says that

okay where did you find it

i found that there's no statistically

significant jump after me

i don't care

i do not care so that's called your

source simply when they were available i

do not care what your statistic says

that's when they were available

so all the other people all the other

people said hey all the other people

were hold on

so okay just to be clear then all these

people must have been the elderly health

care workers

and the immuno compromised

sure

first nations but yeah sure

okay well that's just what we have to

assume apparently but which doesn't seem

what is the alternative what is the

alternative like all the provinces were

lying about when the dose is available

yeah i just want to see your source

for all the fucking provinces

i just gave you one for ontario i'll

i'll pull up the one and give you the

news report for god

oh okay all right in alberta

first dose vaccine

okay another source that's not showing a

statistically significant increase

right here

or you are right now looking

you are right so here's

here's

march april and then may begins right

here

right now looking at the government of

ontario's

um

press release saying that this is when

we can get the first dose if you're 18

or older you're looking at it right now

because i put it in here

but i'm not

looking at a completely different okay

it's available you can go look at it

then it's there

all right

again let me let me read that again

ontario

expanding to ontarians 18 plus out of

schedule

the pace of ontario's vaccine rule

continues to accelerate

wait hold on this is weird it said

the vaccine rollout had continued to

accelerate by that time yeah okay

so it is extending booking eligibility

at mass immunization clinics

it sounds like the government was just

extending booking eligibility not

that's not when the vaccines first

started to roll out it's just when it

decided to extend the booking

eligibility it was first made available

to older age counselors

and that's why

18 or older so so this is everyone 18

and older before for example extending

booking of eligibility means that you

can be eligible to book meaning that you

there was a group that is eligible to

book and if you were outside of that

eligibility window you could not book

well now you can book but as long as

you're older

this is how you take the fucking l

because on may 12th a first dose 8 a.m

the province achieved hold on q q read

this it's from your fucking source the

province achieved a significant

milestone on may 12th having

administrator the first stop who over

half of all ontarians aged 18 and over

may 12th

and this is may 17th okay so

five days before

over half of all ontarians aged 18 and

over because yeah it turns out the

statistically uh insignificant increase

did mean something now didn't it

you had to live in one of these

communities to get the bulking and if

you didn't then you couldn't get it well

then how was it

do those communities compromise half of

okay one of those postal codes so are

all are all

are all are all

half said at the very beginning of this

i said at the very beginning 18 and

older blanket eligibility was in on this

date remember i said that yeah

okay that's what had happened because

you were making the point that this was

when the vaccine was rolled out

but by this time were there eligible

groups before that yes where are those

eligible groups the majority yes so it's

not fucking wrong

what's the relevancy what's the

relevancy here what is the relevancy

you're the one that asked me because the

whole point was were the vaccines being

rolled out before may yes they fucking

were i told you not just to a minority

no you didn't you said it was only a

month no no what you said

you said first nations health care

workers and the elderly isn't that what

you said so how does it happen hey hey

effort hey i forgot about the hot spots

how does it happen that may 12th forgot

about the

but half of all ontarians aged 18 and

over received it by may 12th okay sure

so how does it so are half of all

ontarians first nations available in

2020 and i gave you a closer timeline

okay but it was available in 2020 that's

the fucking point no

yes it was it was available after

december 10. sure but it was event it

started to become available after

december and if you worked in healthcare

you had to get it as soon as they

fucking dropped it i said that okay as

soon as they released it you had to okay

which means we were talking we were

talking about we were talking about

trucker mandates yeah which means you

were saying that the trucker mandates

began in 2020 and i said no i said

mandates in general

began as soon as the vaccine started to

roll out

okay it's exactly what i fucking said

privately mandated vaccine mandates

preceded the government mandates in

2022.

i was talking about government mandates

in the first place and i said be

impossible to make and then i said it

also quincy i also said quincy quincy i

also said it includes private mandates

second of all the mandates were not

enforced until after the majority of

canadians had been vaccinated and

because there was a limited rollout of

the vaccines based on your age your

immunocompromised

status um what what industry you worked

in here is the point you were indigenous

and one thing that i forgot which was if

you happen to live in a colvit hot spot

if you live outside of those possicles

you could not get access to the vaccine

so if you wanted to book and you didn't

live on all those poster codes you

simply could not book they're fast yeah

you didn't mention a lot of shit so you

took the world so cute

all of them except for one except two

except one which you said was already

hospitalized and two the postal code

postal code bullshit not being in a hot

spot those are very significant did i

not say i said health care workers i

said the uh elderly the

immuno-compromised and indigenous

communities yeah you didn't say but you

didn't mention those

you didn't say mention covert hot spots

or hospitalization point in your favor

you forgot about the thing that

accounted for majority of people

don't do things accounted for the

majority of people that got the fucking

vaccine

those two things accounted for the

majority quincy i have i have which you

missed

i have two kids age four years old that

spend a lot of time healing when they

get home i don't wanna i don't fucking

give a shit quincy quincy you can't hide

your chin you cannot hide your chin with

that soul strap hey that soul patch

doesn't hide your chin don't talk about

kids here anyway dude my chin is

stronger than yours oh really really um

no it's not

where the fuck do you get that routine

is stronger than mine federal government

mandates did not come into effect until

after the majority of the population

were vaccinated which didn't happen

until after everybody was eligible to

get the vaccine yeah quincy the point is

by the time 89 of people were vaccinated

people were named anyway you know what

keep calling me that by the night by the

time 89 percent of people were

vaccinated how much of that was

voluntary because there's also private

mandates which was my fucking point oh

yeah who who's privately mandating

vaccines okay let's look it up

i'm just curious who is privately

mandating fight scenes you don't know

about the private mandates the corporate

company private mandates that existed

before government mandates

oh i'm aware that some companies were uh

requiring their so why are you

backtracking

i'm not backtracking anything i just

want to know if you know i know that

there are companies that require their

employees to be vaccinated what i'm

saying is the federal

mandate yeah but uh but but a big reason

a big reason why people hey do you want

to hear yourself talk or did you ask me

a question because you wanted to know

the answer quincy

a big reason why 89 of people were

already vaccinated because they were

forced to hear

because you want to hear an answer how

many were voluntarily vaccinated you ask

people questions because you want to

hear an answer because you want to hear

yourself talk answer that question

answer that question

answer that question i keep trying to

answer your questions you talk over me

what question you're asking me now

you've asked me like two in the last

three how much of the 89 do you think

voluntarily took the vaccine i

haven't answered the first question was

which was how many uh what percentage of

those people um were vaccinated prior to

the federal government no that's not in

dispute that's no i didn't ask you that

fucking question it's not even in

dispute we know 89

89 were vaccinated before the federal

mandates

no it wasn't because i literally fucking

told you that the private mandates

existed before the federal ones keep up

quincy keep up quincy

mandates there are private mandates and

i literally called you quincy for the

first time i remember i know it's a

cooler name than haas yeah

motherfucking rewind the fucking vod

quincy

you keep talking about the fucking

federal mandates after the 89 it's not

even in fucking dispute

the reason we're talking about federal

mandates is because that's why people

can't get back into canada in the first

place that's why those two thousand

people are stuck quincy you were trying

to make the point that by the time of

the federal mandates 89 were vaccinated

federal mandates why are they in ottawa

and not at their boss's office

what they're in auto up for a reason

right they're protesting federal

mandates i didn't say the truckers were

forced to get vaccinated quincy that's

not what i said i said

quincy literally it was this you said

there was a majority of concentration in

this province 80 or whatever and i said

what is what does that say about the

amount of truckers who are vaccinated

quincy

had the highest concentration of uh

trucking companies in the region that

had the highest concentration of

trucking companies close to 90 percent

of the people are back is what i said

okay and you don't know how many

truckers are vaccinated well according

to the cta 87 according to the fucking

lying cta fake news cta i mean if you

have any information to the contrary no

that's actually that's actually not how

evidence works quincy if i pull

something out of my fucking ass and you

say oh okay i'm gonna i'm gonna how

about i shit in my hand and mail it to

you and that's my evidence

you don't have anything else quincy

listen there are aliens there's aliens

there are aliens consequently as far as

we know that's correct there's aliens in

your backyard there's aliens in your

backyard my evidence

quincy there are aliens in your backyard

my evidence is that i'm gonna shit in my

hand and send it to you and if you don't

have any evidence to the contrary you

have to accept and submit to my evidence

okay sure is that how you think evidence

works

you don't have any information saying

that it's not true that's not how

evidence works the burden of proof is on

you quincy if i don't accept your source

yes because if you provide a source i

consider faulty

if you provide a source that i consider

faulty it's the burden of proof is not

on me to find an alternative i'm

skeptical that 87 doesn't mean i know

how many are vaccinated does it mean i i

can i have to accept your source that 87

aren't happy to see it and if you don't

that means as far as we know that that's

no it doesn't as far as we know we don't

know anything we can just infer that

it's unlikely according to what

according to the fact that it's so

fucking unpopular among truckers

according to you these people are

mandating that their employees get

vaccinated yeah

not the truckers know why why are all

the bosses mandating that their

employees get vaccinated but not the

truckers then how are their employees

able to because the only reason there

was fucking for their employees to get

able to get south of the border and back

if they're not vaccinated they have to

have paperwork to do that which

employees the same employees that are

driving back and forth across the border

they have to have proof of vaccines to

come back so if the companies were lying

why would they lie but then censor

people south of the border with no

ability to get back then why would they

be waiting to get back across the border

because there's a federal vaccine

mandate now you just defeated your own

point there's a federal vaccine mandate

now i know there's a federal so they

can't get across because they don't have

the fucking vaccine dude why would they

send their employees south of the border

with no ability to get back then in that

case why would they be lying about how

many of them are because they're lying

about it to delegitimize the fucking

convoy quincy

that's the only reason they're not

saying that shit they're lying and

they're sending people south of the

border that can't get back the cta is

lying to delegitimize the trucker the

fucking freedom convoy why would they

send people south of the border with no

ability to return

the same people that are stuck waiting

to get back who do you think they work

for they work for trucking companies

yeah that have business off of the

border yeah it would be in their best

interest to have their employees

vaccinated so they can get back across

the border yes it was what were they

like but their employees are not

vaccinated if they weren't vaccinated

why are they south of the border why

would they say why can't they get back

why would they send them to the united

states and they can't come back if they

need to bring parcels back in their

trucks they can't come back because

they're not vaccinated they can't come

back because they're stuck at the boot

the coots border crossing because there

are other owner operators blocking them

from coming in and also because they're

not vaccinated

no they can come back dude that's why

they were there in the first place why

would you go off to the border knowing

you can't come back if you knew since

last year that there was a mandate

coming into effect so those people were

probably forced by their employers to

get it then so that which then raises

the question why would they lie about

how many employees are vaccinated

knowing that the people that they are

have working for them need to be

vaccinated because 87

is way more than the 80s

because 87

is because 80s by your own statistics 80

are not okay let's talk about let's talk

about material interest if this

company's material interest depend on

people being able to cross the border

freely why would you lie about how many

of your employees can cross the border

freely because quincy they claimed that

87

shut the fuck up for a second they

claimed 87 only 80 percent work for them

not even because that's just the cta who

don't even know how many the cta employs

as a proportion and they went and said

87 of all truckers are vaccinated where

the fuck did they get that from they

only employ a fucking sway smaller

percentage of the total workforce that's

the fucking point quincy

who belongs to the mccain trucking

alliance not all of them

not every company belongs to the

canadian trucking alliance

who is eligible for membership in the

canadian trucking alliance all employers

are eligible and and in operators that

doesn't mean they've joined it doesn't

mean they've joined it do you think that

zero percent of owner operators belong

to the canadian trucking no i think not

all

truckers are in that fucking alliance

sure i didn't say that they were okay so

what right does that alliance have to

say that 80 percent of all trucks 87 of

all truckers are vaccinated where did

they get that from probably from their

member statistics but their members

statistics are not representative of all

truckers but knowing that the

companies

that own fleets have to be part of it

and knowing that they significantly have

to

all all companies that own fleets have

to be part of the canadian trucker

alliance the canadian trucking alliance

is composed of those companies all of

them even the small ones

the small ones like what the owner

operators or like the ones that you're

wrong not every trucking company belongs

to the cta

not every fucking trucking company

belongs to the cta not every single one

the vast majority of companies in canada

that operate belong to the canadian

trade where are you getting that

information i know this because i know

truckers dude come on the truckers gave

you the statistics then tell me the

statistics do the truckers that i know

belong to the canadian trucking alliance

where did you get this data what data i

have a guy in my chest saying the cta

doesn't do shit except you send you a

fucking magazine in the mail that's all

they do sure

i'm not talking about what they do

whether they're affected how do you know

the majority are in the cta

why did you say all fleets have to be in

the cta i'm not talking about whether

they're an effective agency first you

said come on quincy first you said all

of them have to be in the cta and then

you said most of them are in the cta

where are you getting this information

from and how can i know it's trustworthy

okay what i'm trying to explain to you

is that the trucking alliance is

composed of these okay just like if you

for example if you're a dentist right

you're part of the canadian dental

association by virtue of the fact that

you generally are a dentist and the cda

is composed of dentists what i'm trying

to say the cta is composed of these yes

it's composed of a fraction of truckers

okay what i'm trying to say is that it's

not a compulsory thing for like it's not

like the cta is a separate entity that

in order to be a trucker you have to be

part of it what i'm saying is that's

what you said before what no what i'm

saying is you said all fleets have to be

a part of it i'm saying by virtue of the

fact that they are

mass employers they are part of the cta

because the cta represents these mass

employers not all of them i mean sure

okay so the cta is in no position to

claim that 80 87 of truckers are

vaccinated just because of the

constituent companies within the cta

because those do not encompass 100 of

truckers they are saying 87 of 100

of truckers are vaccinated he's just a

consider that's all you do is concede

you waste my time and then concede why

did you waste my time then if you're

just gonna concede okay so why waste my

time do you know who the cta is like who

who are actually the cta like what

establishment shows of the establishment

the monopolist and the government the

cta is a conglomeration of the various

provincial trucking associations which

are themselves composed of those owner

organizations

they're advocating for themselves no

there's a trucking bobby listen if it's

yeah it represents the monopolists it

represents the companies that own truck

fleets okay so this is actually the data

come on this is the real data this is

the real data we got the actual data we

got

breaking news we just got the data

breaking news

120 okay only about a third only about a

third of truckers in canada are in the

cta the cta estimates that 85 of its

members were vaccinated but the cta also

encompasses owner operators and not just

the people traveling south of the border

through these company

organizations

so your

argument is nil your argument is nil

why would they lie is because they're

trying to delegitimize the fucking

protest

to delegitimize the protest that's why

and your point about sending them south

of the border means nothing because

because the cta is not sending everyone

south of the border it's as simple as

that

doesn't actually mean that you're saying

shit you didn't even know what the ct

was until i just no it didn't i fucking

i'm the one who told you about the cta

dumbass i'm the one who fucking brought

it up to you when what did you bring in

the very beginning of this shit when i

said the cta which is an employer's

organization why don't you fucking just

roll back the vod quincy

listen dude i'm trying to explain to you

you didn't know yeah and we literally

talked about it before you even joined

the stream there's video evidence before

you even joined the stream we were

talking about it too you said your house

you said that they were the the bosses

or the elites or what are the fuck you

said i'm saying the cta is a

conglomeration of various provincial

trucking associations they're a monopoly

organization tied to the government you

want to know where i got that from your

source quincy let's go and let's look it

through it let's go look through your

source quincy would you tweet it at me

quincy i'll read it right to you right

here's what your source says the trucker

convoy is not a workers revolt and this

is literally adverbatum what it said on

the other hand as the business

representative for the industry that is

most engaged with the federal government

and by the way that means it's a

monopoly or association it

understandably wants to maintain its

access with to those with influence and

power that is why it distanced itself

from the fucking

protests is what i said they were it's a

monopoly association of the business

owners the bosses and the owners

okay but you seem to have taken up you

you literally contested it when i

fucking told you that

dude okay what else frank's look look

how he backtracks and concedes when i

show him his own source

when i show him his own source ask me

how they could know that 87 of people

are vaccinated i said okay well that's

not what they said you were you lied

about what they even said they said 85

of its members they estimate are

vaccinated so you didn't even know what

they were talking about 85 of its

members they estimate were vaccinated

how did it come to that estimation

i'm not

how did it come to that estimation

because 85 that's less than 40 of the

total workforce yes because only a third

of dr of drivers are part of the cta

so 85 of that is

less than 40 percent so even according

to the cta's high estimates it's only a

minority of the fucking trucks

members are vaccinated sure if we

believe that we don't even know where

they got that from again again

why because there could be a lot of

owner operators within the cta who are

not vaccinated and they say they're

vaccinated anyway to delegitimize the

protests not all of them are employees

not all of them are employees of the

fucking companies quick question how

many of the uh canadian truck companies

right like out of all trucks on the road

what percentage of them are doing

cross-border business like going across

the border and back i have no idea would

you like to know

go ahead spit it out a third

a third

yeah a third of all canada's trucking

companies are just the cta

there's about three no no that's not

what i said uh there's about 330-ish

thousand

uh truckers on the road at any point

yeah roughly right

so about 120 about 120 000

go across the border and back

okay all truckers then

all truckers go across the border and

back

that's all

truckers

no no because there's people there's

truckers that travel into provincially

there's truckers that travel

internationally one-third of all

truckers travel internationally

sure yeah so i said roughly one-third

are traveling internationally and the

remainder or uh inter-potentially at any

point right okay so knowing that again

knowing that to uh go back and forth

across the border you have to be

vaccinated and you knew that the

mandates were coming down the pike since

last year

why would they lie about that

because 85 percent of cta's members

are not

going

south of the border okay

according to what

only a third of truckers are in the cta

a third of truckers in total go south of

the border

we can probably imagine that the cta

does not have 85 percent of people why

would the cta disproportionately have so

many people who go south to the border

compared to the total trucking

population

that seems like a lucky coincidence

if that was the case

i'm not following you

why would we have any reason to assume

that the proportion of people within the

cta who are one-third of all truckers

is these is disproportionately more

going down the border

like to the point where it's 85 as

opposed to the one-third of the total

truckers you mentioned i'm still not

following you okay one-third of truckers

are in the cta yeah

okay

of those in the cta

why would we assume 85 percent go south

of the border when when it comes to the

total amount of truckers in general

only a third

eighty-five percent go south of the

border okay well that's what we were

arguing about

why were we that's not what i said

though so when you're saying why would

they lie about the 85

because

85 are not going south of the border in

the first place was why would they lie

about the estimate knowing that

they have to have drivers going back

because that material interest would

only account for

that yeah that material interest quincy

it's very simple quincy it's very simple

math that material interest would only

account for them reporting that 40

let's say

are vaccinated the ones who they send

south of the border but after that they

do have an incentive to lie that still

doesn't make any sense quincy

they know that members are 85

of the

cta's is if they're willing to trap

people south of the border to prove i'm

not exactly sure what point listen are

85 percent of the cta's members going

south of the fucking roughly a third of

all trucks are going south of the border

as to what the cta members do i don't

know and

would you think that it would be um

reasonable to infer that 85 or something

around that drastically disproportionate

amount compared to the total amount of

truckers going down the border or should

we assume that there's probably not a

disproportionate model

i would assume that any i would assume

that at any point in one's employment

one may find themselves going down for

the border run along but you just told

me that only one third goes south i said

that out of a out of the 300 000 about

120 000 at any point are going back and

forth across the border are doing

international freight like doing

international long hauls not everybody's

traveling the exact same route at all

times okay well you need to specify what

you're trying to say so what you're so

how many actually do end up going south

of the border

okay

have you noticed that like everything

that in this conversation that we're

sort of filtering out and splitting

hairs on is stuff that i gave you like

well now there's anything

as to how many of them are actually

traveling south of the border but you

had no idea that what percentage of them

were going south of the border until

they did see you have people sending you

shit and you just said you have people

sending you

i'm talking to you myself like because

you have people sending you shit i'm not

even looking at my discord

i'm not even looking at my dms or my

discord because i'm a man quincy i don't

i don't need it i don't need people to

back me up quincy my hand over my face

bro

what

who could possibly be sending me

information what could i be looking at

but you're the one who said i'm always

getting twitter dms about this shit and

information linked to me that's what you

said earlier in the conversation i said

what yeah you said you were getting this

shit linked to you in twitter dms you

literally said that when did i say that

earlier in the conversation you forgot

chat anyone remember that like

information linked to me about this

convoy and about truckers and industry

and so on yeah no no you're lying

does anyone remember him saying that

yeah people remember it's not just me

you did say i would like to see it

because that's not i've never said that

people someone someone find the clip so

we could show it to them like dms about

like what we're talking about right now

yeah like literally

the only thing you actually did give me

quincy was something that was behind a

500 pay wall you didn't give me anything

else why should we trust that your

argument that 85 percent of people are

vaccinated because why would they send

people down south of the border without

getting vaccinated are 85 of people

going south of the border in the year in

the relevant time in which

those statistics were gathered

what i was trying to say to you was why

would the cta lie knowing that uh about

a third of truckers

at any point are going south of the

border so what the estimate was was that

um around eighty-seven percent of

truckers are estimated to be vaccinated

yeah right so only third go down south

of the border only a third at any time

are going south of the border okay so

you shift the

that's fine your routes aren't always

the same okay but we have to know how

many do go down south of the border

because

why is there any resistance to vaccine

mandates at all if almost if it's if

majority of truckers are going south of

the border because even before the

mandates

why is there resistance to vaccine

mandates at all period when uh almost 90

percent of canadians

had a vaccine mandate for the very same

reason that

the 10 of canadians who are not i don't

give a shit about your lip shit

vaccine mandates do you get it like

quincy no i'm not i don't care about

your lip shit explanation of however

it's not a matter of a legit explanation

it's just something that exists quincy

quincy what's up what's up

why

are they only talking about vaccine

mandates now when they supposedly had to

get the vaccine before the 50. everyone

had to all

majority i don't know how many go down

south of the border at any time but at

any given time it's a third apparently

so how many are regularly going down

south the border in a given year for

example

maybe it's the majority if it's the

majority then the majority already have

to get vaccines before there's any

mandate

right

sure

so

why is the how are they how are these

truckers so far been able to not get the

vaccine are all the people at the

freedom convoy the ones that so happen

to not cross the border ever the ones

who are okay so the ones who are not at

the protest or sorry the ones who are at

the protest yeah why are they why are

they protesting no are they vaccinated

yet

i don't know you have to ask them

well they have to be if they're going

sideways

i assume that there's a mix of people

who have and people who haven't been

but how are they going to resist getting

vaccinated when they're already

vaccinated

interesting you should ask that because

some of them aren't driving trucks what

do you mean how many are not driving

it's a fucking convoy quincy of course

they're driving trucks

as we establish yes some of the people

with their feet on the ground in ottawa

as we established at the beginning of

this conversation some of them are not

actually driving trucks

are the ones honking their horns and

driving in the convoy driving trucks if

you're an operator that doesn't drive

your own truck then sure

maybe you know how to drive a truck but

maybe you don't necessarily drive your

truck you can hire somebody else to do

it for you and how likely do you think

that how professional you're driving

your trucks

so

you so happen to have this

mandate in the united states and if

you're going across the board you have

to be vaccinated you guys guys hold on

this is nobody says hold on somebody in

your truck today guys quincy's brilliant

explanation

quincy quincy you have a beautiful

explanation so this is quincy's

brilliant explanation so the truckers

were sitting on their ass uh playing

fifa at home and they were having they

were hiring people to drive their one

truck right and then when it came time

and they were never getting vaccinated

then when the vaccine mandates which

wouldn't have even affected them in the

first place because they're not even

driving the trucks rolled in they

decided to boot out the person driving

their truck that they hired get out of

my truck i'm gonna drive this now and

they got on their truck which they so

happen to have the skills which they so

happen to have the skills to know how to

fucking drive

and then they

then they went to the fucking protest

and you you you you would have us

believe this quincy you would have us

believe this because do you think that i

think that every single flimsy

at the beginning of this conversation

that working-class people are part of

this protest i said that they were using

bitchy language flimsy quincy that's

flimsy language quincy hey hey

listen listen

hey hey

hey hey flimsy quincy the problem is

your language is too flimsy okay

for you to say how many you know are you

gonna say this is mostly working class

major working class are you going to say

well there's some it allows you to not

have to make any real statement remember

we started the conversation when you

asked me is this a working class yes it

is

no

yeah and you you haven't justified why

it couldn't be i said that the majority

of people that are

um

trucking in canada are company drivers

have no choice they have no choice to

protest they can't forecast or they get

fired

because if you're taking stuff across

the border you have to be vaccinated to

get across the board you have to be

vaccinated quincy quincy okay quincy so

we know that we know that the remainder

are a subset of people that either do

not cross the border or people that are

not affected by the mandates because

they're not required to do to be in

their trucks to get across

quincy quincy i explained to you quincy

one subset of them may be able to be at

the protest and why they're there

quincy because that is a simple sequence

what a time waster what a fucking time

he just runs his mouth saying nothing

quincy

the whole fucking point

quincy quincy listen to me very

carefully quincy though this was the

fucking point actually those 80 can't

protest or they get deported

or

they get fired

deported

sure a lot of them are not citizens you

didn't know that okay

you don't get deported for not doing a

job you can just go find another job

you're not going to get deported how

many are are here illegally we don't

know how many are here illegally maybe

they are facing coercion of some kind

how many are indentured and so we don't

fucking know these things these are very

much vulnerable people those people

exist but you can't sit here and say to

me that if people don't drive a truck

they're going to get deported you have

to be specific about what you're talking

about i think i think that they're

desperate and very vulnerable people i

know they are because so so so

why so what what is this thing so quincy

quincy

where does this thing come from where

you say the people who can't fucking

protest are good

i know that that's true because the vast

majority of labor violations that happen

in canada happen in the trucking

industry and the trucking industry is

only about 17

of uh of canadian labor period so i know

that i know that they are vulnerable

yeah so okay but you didn't have to you

didn't have to interrupt me to say that

quincy no one gives a fuck anyway the

whole point quincy

when the people who protest protest

who can protest that says something

about the sentiments of those 80 percent

who don't have a choice would they be

protesting if they did have a choice

well let's look at the people who do

have a choice and they're protesting a

consider quincy consider

hey um so the people that are stuck on

the other side of the border do you know

what they've been saying they're

probably pissed i don't give a fuck

it's you you don't care about what

workers say what have they been saying

whatever you don't think workers can be

counter-revolutionary what if they've

been what have they been saying what

what have the mention of it what did the

menshevik workers say

you don't think workers can become a

revolutionary okay if the people that

are actually driving the trucks

they're subservient to their ruling

class masters they're subservient to

their ruling class masters

they're siding with the they're siding

with their bosses they're siding with

their uh corporate masters they're

grateful they're grateful for what

they've been given and they're siding

with their corporate bosses they're

saying why are these canadian workers so

ungrateful this is way better than uh

you know the alternatives for me so why

are they so ungrateful that's what

they're doing

do you know why the owners do you know

why the owners who are protesting this

are protesting like do you know why

they're against the mandates and there

are very good reasons to be against

amendments why why why are the uh owners

who own 65 uh

trucks protesting

so the owners who are against the

mandates are against the mendes because

they don't want to get they time off you

don't want to what

they don't want to give paid time off

[Laughter]

they don't the owners hey the owners who

are against it do not want to get paid

is that why the nurses were against the

mandates because they don't want to give

paid time off is there any other reason

why human beings would be against

mandates besides this dumb shit you're

bringing up why are nurses against the

fucking mandates why are new yorkers

against the fucking mandates people are

resisting mandates all over the world

why is the communist party of the

russian federation against the mandates

what a stupid fucking

explanation did you hear me say that

there are very good reasons to be

against the mandates you heard me say

that right hold on what you're saying

the reasons why people at the freedom

convoy

owners

who are the owners

because owner can mean you just own your

own truck and you're in debt

right

i would have said owner operators but i

didn't say that okay you're saying the

reason the owners are is because they

don't want to pay give paid time

who are against the mandates are against

the mandates it's not because they carry

some sort of class consciousness so

let's let's narrow this down i didn't

say owner operators i didn't i i think i

don't i don't agree with that

because because hold on

you said the owners are for the mandates

and i said i'm like not all yes they are

the cta is the cta is for them

there are literally owners down at the

protesters against it there are people

who have literally been on ctp news and

said i like i'm an um an owner i own a

fleet and i'm against it and this is

tyranny right yeah there are people here

and i'll tell you why because those

people are the scorned capitalists who

aren't part of the monopoly big club

and they have always always cited

listen because they're already so used

to exploiting no it's not because

they're greedy it's not it's not because

they're greedy

so why why was trump why was trump why

did trump turn against the ruling class

because he was a scorned capitalist who

was kicked out of the big club of the

monopolists and insiders that's why the

same fucking reason these fleet owners

are there it's not because they're too

greedy and that they want to exploit

their workers more it's because they are

not part of the cta's monopolies fucking

associations that have a relationship

with the canadian

they're not climbing up to the process

because they feel scorned like yes they

are they're latching on to the protests

because they're against the government

and the monopolies that's why

they're profitable and they make their

listen somebody who's focused on making

money is not going to take this huge

capital risk of going to these fucking

protests you're just going to try to

focus on your bottom line with the

circumstances handed to you class does

not manifest itself politically

class does not manifest itself

politically in the way you're describing

capitalists are not taking these huge

risks to defend their class interests

capitalists don't take risks to defend

their class interest they let

politicians do that for them

when you think a company like walmart

for example will burn millions of

dollars fielding lawsuits from employees

that uh file against them for labor

violations why do you think that they

would just that's not the same as going

to a disruptive protest against the

government it's the fuck okay it comes

down to the same thing because it's more

profitable to exploit your employees and

why did why did why did oliver scrooge

hoard his wealth on christmas with a

stupid fucking thing i'm talking about

it we're talking about a fictional

character versus what actually yeah

because in walmart it has nothing to

walmart isn't rebelling against the

fucking government

they're not no they're not they're

filing lawsuits and shit legally yeah

yeah they're they're finally all suits

against their employees to stop yeah

legally all that's through the system

all of that is through the system and

oftentimes

and often times you realize walmart is

in bed hold on

literally shut the fuck up literally

shut the fuck up because they don't want

their employees to believe that they

have anything this is why you have five

viewers when you talk it kills channels

q why do you think yeah because i don't

talk in spectacles

no because you're full of shit and

you're a time waster cute because it's

it's because it's because you're full of

shit

it's cause

q q it's cause

since the beginning of this conversation

there's nothing

walmart is in bed with the government

through lobbying they're not rebelling

against the fucking government these

people aren't rebelling against the

government either yes they are they're

fucking honking their shit in ottawa

the moment

i'm not rebelling i'm just honking and

being public i'm just getting threatened

with jail time honk honk honk i'm not

rebelling against the government i'm

just causing civil disruptions honk honk

honk it's not rebellion guys i'm totally

just doing what walmart's doing in civil

lawsuits through the system what a

fucking stupid thing to say do you think

that the owners who are at the protest

are rebelling against government or

billing they literally are they're

literally rebelling against the

government right now honk honk honk

trudeau can't sleep they can't sleep in

ottawa honk honk honk it's not rebellion

though of course it is you can't sleep

you clearly didn't get any sleep because

look how stupid you're something the

only reason i haven't got any sleep is

because you're keeping me up talking

shit in my ear for like three and a half

hours yeah because you need some honking

because i think i think

you you listen you you you don't know

how to hear another person you have some

shit in yours i think they should honk

near your house

you got ear wax in your ears they need

to honk the ear wax out of your ears

the last time that was here yeah yeah

and then you ran to twitter and started

talking shit about me in public

when did i do that multiple times

multiple times

multiple times

after we had our conversation last time

i said oh yeah he's a pretty intelligent

guy yeah

no you never said that once publicly on

twitter actually

no you did it no you didn't i know you

didn't said that

your friends your friends quincy are the

biggest lying scumbags

what is my friends your friends your

friends always come after me and when i

defend myself you come after me like i'm

the aggressor

your friends come after me i defend

myself and you attack me like i'm the

aggressor you've gone to you've gone

after people that i know two times we've

had exchanges on twitter two times

literally two times like oh yeah since

ever no we haven't you talk shit about

me in january when

when have we had exchanges haas i didn't

reply to you because i didn't give a

fuck but you did talk shit about that

when if we had exchanges like whenever

we actually had exchanges between two of

us you you told samira oh why are you

endorsing has all that fucking bullshit

i literally saw

yeah then you had this thing where you

were quote tweeting one of my fucking

posts in january saying i don't even

remember what you said but it was

negative it was bad trying to like uh

get people to gang up on me through your

fucking followers join in on me with a

mob you're not a fucking man quincy you

just join with the mob you attack your

own friends quincy you attack your own

friends on twitter and you join with the

mob you don't have your own backbone you

don't have a backbone you're not a man

quincy

dude what did i actually say what did

you actually say you talk shit talk shit

what did i say you said no this is bad

some shit like that

a bunch of times when samira endorsed me

you took issue with it when i went back

in uh january i pulled i posted a

picture of something you quote tweeted

me try to ratio me with your followers

to gang up on me you join with your

little echo chamber circle jerk fucking

bullshit twitter crowd i wipe my ass

with all those fucking people i

destroyed them every single day hold up

okay the last time oh here we go okay uh

she said i'm now in france's number one

fan

all right

i said uh stock for roller she said no i

said you need to log off and pray i was

i was i was making fun of samira oh yeah

that was it you had nothing to do

she said she said i'm endorsing haas and

then you say oh that's god for you

literally said god forbid you

you literally said god forbid in my

language you said god forbid that's also

that's also my language dude but um i i

said okay yes i said i saw parole and i

was did your language

i said log off and pray okay how is it

your language don't tell me you're a

muslim because uh you're going to hell

for that don't tell me you're a muslim

attacking a fellow muslim on twitter in

defense of who i'm not attacking you oh

really yeah don't tell me you're a

muslim quincy

don't tell me you're a quincy all the

shit you talk about me on twitter

attacking another muslim like that dude

i'm not attacking anybody

with samir all the time samira says

quincy quincy quincy muslims

hey hey quincy quincy muslims don't side

with white leftists against other

muslims what the fuck are you talking

about yeah i was talking to samira name

one time i badmouth another muslim

defending a white leftist one time even

if i disagree with them even if they're

a jihadist

i'll handle it in private i never

denounced them in public ever

how can you

you call yourself a muslim you attack

other muslims on twitter lying before

that what did i say to samira wyd what

have i said to her forget about samira

before that you talk shit on me i said

dude she said winter is better than hey

dude she said winter better than summer

i said this is the real red round that's

that i got i don't care

in january you talk shit to me

you directly tweeted me in january

talking shit to me when

in january

when did we have our conversation i we

didn't have our conversation in january

this year you quote tweeted me saying

some shit and ratioed me with your

fucking followers what did i say oh what

did i say you said some shit like oh

you're embarrassing yourself some shit

like that you know what you're fucking

saying you're giving me negative pr yeah

throwing your negative attention on me

with your 80 000 followers

you posted a selfie and i was like hey

why would you do this

why don't you dm me that i'm

because you're using the twitter mob

against me how many times how many times

do people that i don't have a problem

with have i like cold tweeted or said

something to them and it's all right all

right you want to read the replies to

your tweet let's read the replies to

that tweet

let's read the replies to that tweet

what kind of attention were you giving

me you wish that tweet okay okay when

you quote tweeted me in a friendly uh

banter

you're a fucking snake you're a snake

you're a snake i posted okay dude do you

think i was following up with samira

after she said no right i said log off

and pray then i was done i was done for

the day that was it right like i'm

talking about january when you threw

negative energy on me

because you're joining with the mob dude

how many times you join with the mob all

you do is join with the mob do i

co-tweet people

that i don't have any problem with and

say something funny and then disappear

how many times the people that you don't

quincy your people quincy your followers

and your people came after me they

weren't joking by the way

oh you didn't know that check your

fucking replies check your replies to

that tweet

i posted i said what are you doing and

then i disappeared quincy quincy i

argued with you today about

i argued with you today

i argued with you today

hey quincy quinchi

hey quincy quinchi quincy i argued with

you today today

i argued with you today about theory and

you attacked me personally i talked to

you personally yeah oh yeah you did when

you attacked me personally

let's see what you said let's see what

you said but we went back and forth

about that being disrespectful talking

all this shit back and forth and i

challenge you by the way i even

challenge you to a debate what you're

doing right now instead of all that

bullshit but what did you decide to do

instead

you decided to insult and disrespect me

you decided to insult and disrespect me

there's no calculus by which you're

gonna think that you're gonna be wrong

in this conversation right and that's

pretty much what happened but and then

hours later you decided to still argue

with me

no

because now like all of that stuff is

like this is where i take access we went

back and forth right did i like say

anything about you being a bad person

did i say that you were you

you disrespected me in public you

disrespected me i had a difference of

agreement with you as to whether this oh

really

why did why did you say i have other

things to do besides use you as a

footstool shortstop yeah cause you you

called me illiterate by then like really

you yeah you did oh okay before that

point you would call me illiterate so i

was like okay all right if he's gonna

start like clowning on me i'm gonna

climb back on him at what point let's

see the point in which i call you

illiterate to be perfectly clear let's

see the point in which i called you

illiterate to be perfectly clear i

didn't care about it like i didn't care

i was like all right

yeah but you just joined you just joined

with the twitter mob to attack me

because you hide behind your twitter mob

yeah your echo chamber you hide behind

your echo chamber one of my friends i

took exception to it and i was like

who's your friend who's your friend

because

who's your friend

what's that who's your friend uh

well you've gone after a couple of them

hang on a second let me scroll all the

way back and figure this one out where

this one started you had quote tweeted

sam james oh okay and who else

and yara and yara

wow quincy i'm noticing a pattern do you

think these women notice you or care

about you notice me okay you attack a

muslim brother

you attack a muslim brother

to get these girls to like you

alaikum

you attack a muslim brother in defense

of uh trying to get the attention of

these girls

get attention dude i already i've

already known yara from time like yeah

yeah but you want to know her in other

ways too i bet and you attack a muslim

brother to do that to impress her right

so what do you say about attacking a

muslim sister she's muslim why are you

talking oh i attacked the muslim sister

really yara came at me first before

anything all i did was defend myself

against her she's called me all these

names talked all this shit on me all i

saw was the last exchange and this is

why we had our first exchange so yeah

you would you would you and you and our

muslim sister had a disagreement right i

took her side on something i said okay

well this is this is what lenin said and

this is what led to our back and forth

exchange today but you know the funny

thing about that is and instead of

having a back and forth we could have

settled it on stream okay and we could

have settled it respectfully by the way

but you decided to go down the path of

disrespect we're not settling it right

are we not settling it right now are we

you decided to go down the path of

disrespect which is what i give you

but you disrespected our muslim sister

first oh how did i disrespect you

you had a quote tweet of her hold on a

second

all right

saying what

uh hold up and go back and find it after

she called me what a white supremacist

but how did i even disrespect her let's

see is this disrespect here's here's the

exact quote this is a case of someone

who confuses ideologies with material

reality a working class is not defined

by being ideologically correct

most spontaneous working class uprisings

have a righteous ideological orientation

for that to blame yourself is that

disrespect

yes why would she have to blame herself

because she represents the type of

thinking and mentality of leftists who

are driving away the working class

from ever supporting communists instead

of the right wingers that they're

supporting

all right

how is that disrespect

okay so why tell me why muslims like

yara and yourself sell out why do you

sell out muslims to impress white

leftists

okay so you said that uh she ought to

blame herself because of her motive

thinking driving away the working class

yeah right

yeah okay so when i responded to you

what did i say you brought it to a point

where you decided to disrespect me what

did i actually say what did i actually

you didn't disrespect me yet okay what i

said was what did what did lennon say

about spontaneity and taylor's what i

said was which was besides the point

right because no one was i said i said

that lenin was not a fan of spontaneity

and tailism did i not no lenin was not a

fan of replacing spontaneity the excuse

of spontaneity

yeah but that's what my tweet was yeah

which i already worked in contests

so where's the disrespect it came after

after i defeated you on the question of

who was after you after you used the

word illiterate i was like all right so

if he's gonna do that then i'm gonna

roast him back yeah i literally accused

you of not

i accused you of not reading enough

lenin you attacked me for some personal

reason

illiterate that's not disrespectful i

said your claims against illiteracy so

no it's not disrespectful

what did you actually say hang on a

second there you go for that blame

yourself so on and so on

um and i said the work lasts defined by

the sale of once labor in exchange for

money

and

and when you challenge me to be on the

subject

ah and then you begin the disrespect

actually began when i tried to actually

patiently explain to you my position

instead of engaging you go atop a what

completely bypassing the point i still

didn't disrespect you at that point but

i did question

why you posture ignorance first

theory then you apologize if it's

justified someone and so on okay all

right yeah and then and you said you

said can you please

excuse me i'm not reading

hold on you accused me of being

illiterate first

and then you you accused me of being

illiterate first by the way well they

close about the class in the 21st

century to which i said what is a small

peasant in relation to london's theory

or vague artisan you said oh okay there

you go this is illiteracy yeah because q

you accused me of a literacy first when

you said when you said when you said

about you being illiterate okay

i said this argument is illiteracy i

said um what you said though was that oh

you claimed i never read marx and i

never read theory that shit yeah when

did i say that in in your first tweet no

i didn't say that i didn't say you've

never read marx this is the difference

between communism as an aesthetic and

communism as a practice having to

actually read first and be disciplined

and having to read first i've probably

read marxism before you what do you mean

read first you assume that my background

came from a position of ignorance i

proved to you it wasn't it didn't say

your best and you decided to feign

ignorance and posture as an ignorant

person as if that makes you look good

okay so when when you said to her that

um multiple tenuous working-class

uprisings have a righteous biological

orientation and for that blame yourself

i said it's defined by the sale upon

slavery in exchange for money so why

would yada yada difference between

communism as an aesthetic and communism

as a practice having to actually read

first and be disciplined in one's

approach when representing the ideology

in public right yeah so you're accusing

me of not having read i said i no so all

i did was accuse you of the same thing

of not having read two elements two

elements one reading two discipline yeah

okay i know you don't take yourself you

took a sentence to the reading one like

i said that you don't read and i've said

to you before i think that you're a very

a very bright person and i know you read

okay the second part

is what's important having to actually

read first and be disciplined in one's

approach when representing the ideology

in public yeah but i think if you if you

if you infer or elude

if you allude to me having not read and

i call i accuse your interpretation of

lenin as a literature that you didn't

read i said quincy the

fundamental point is quincy the point is

because when i said this is illiteracy

the fact that you

the fact that you took it that way has

nothing to do with i said i said having

to actually read first and be

disciplined in one's approach when

representing the ideology in public

meaning

why are you going back and forth with

yara like that is my question because

people like yara have sold out islam or

the white leftist like you have what no

yeah no absolutely yes absolutely you

attack other muslims for the white

leftist i haven't attacked you yes you

do

why do you pander to the why do you why

do you covet the favor of the white

leftists

why do you covet the favor of the white

leftists

what is the relationship the most part i

don't say anything about you as a matter

as a matter of fact you know what the

funny part is as a matter of fact no you

can actually go back to the vods who is

the white leftist a friend or enemy of

islam

is the white leftist a friend or enemy

of islam

already stream like the joking stream

that i do like the the chill like

you know exactly what you're doing

when you get together with the twitter

mob

people have brought up your name when

people have brought up your name you

know what i've always said i said it's a

lot of it is trolling i say a lot of it

is is to get and retain viewers and i

say he's actually a very bright person

but a lot of this is twitch drama like a

lot of this is twitch stuff so if you

when you gang up on me with the twitter

leftist mob the white leftist mob yes

you do

why why do you why do you get so many

likes well i'm cute

so cute when you throw negativity my way

why does it earn you so many likes why

are you so concerned about me quote

unquote gang up on you and really like i

said i've either just like responded to

you jokingly not attacking you or

responded to you attacking somebody that

i consider to be a comrade right but i'm

not rude to you i don't insult your

intelligence or anything like that as a

matter of fact if i didn't think you're

intelligent we wouldn't be going back

and forth on theory stuff

with people's intelligence i don't you

don't think you know what you're doing

when you join in with you am i hated by

the white you're doing

do you think you don't you think you

don't know what you're doing telling me

to come on your stream and debate yeah

yeah because i was going to keep it

respectful until you started attacking

like being disrespectful and shit the

reason i'm only listening to you on

discord and watching the discord right

now like the discord like uh screen that

you and i are visible on and not like

watching the channel or the chat or

anything else is because i'm talking to

you and i don't want to be talking to

anybody else oh but you you just you you

want to talk to me after it's all public

right bring me on your stream and you

talk about like you know vod this fought

that clip this clip that we're going to

rewind that you're doing it for an

audience right yeah so how are you going

to excuse me are you going to accuse me

of doing something for the chronicle

twitter mob but you're not doing the

exact same thing for your audience right

because you joined in with the mob

against me first i didn't so i have my

own mob i have my own mind

i responded to you that's it that's all

i did you you disrespected me

multiple times in public when did i

please let me ask you something q

if i was disrespecting you i would

simply just write you off i wouldn't

talk in theory i wouldn't screencap

anything

let me ask you a simple question when

thousands and thousands of these white

leftists on twitter are on my back fish

with vicious vitriolic hatred of me

attacking me

the thing is

sure sure sure sure i can yeah i can i

can fight them i can take them on no

problem but here's the question but then

here's the question here's the question

thank you here's the question i'm not a

victim i i'm not a victim they're my

victims they're my victims i'm not a

victim we're not going down that road

i'm saying but you purposely do this

because it gets a reaction

let me ask you something your viewers

okay cube let me ask you something

when you attempt to dunk on me on

twitter is that a brave independent

stance or do you know it's gonna get you

a lot of likes from that same fucking

mob snaking me snaking you are you

acting independently well

who who is who's pulling my strings it's

just i think you're doing it to fit in

with that fucking mob the white leftist

do you know how do you know what people

call me gang up on a muslim for the

white leftists

that's nothing that's nothing that i

don't call me a tanki so call me up

fascist people call me outside

the difference between me and you let me

tell you just from your new way between

you is that those cute those don't

affect me i wanted to be if i wanted to

be liked if i wanted to be like i

wouldn't be a member of the communist

party of canada

those words

those words i wouldn't be talking about

you those words have enough

i wouldn't open my mouth on social media

dude those words even are relevant to

you and affect you and hurt your

feelings because you're already a

liberal and trying to impress fellow

liberals and of course liberals find

that repulsive when people call me

when people

yeah of course

but when liberals call me a genocide

denier or a tanki and all that shit my

balls just get bigger that's the

difference between me and you okay i

just don't i mean i don't know because

i've never tried to pander or appeal to

those people in the first place i don't

care either way yeah i talk about these

things because they're important to me

yeah okay but here's okay q here's the

point

is it brave or cowardly to join in with

the trend okay i wanted to be liked i

would just vote liberal and tell other

people wait but you are like you don't

think twitter leftists dominate the

platform of course they do like

my type of twitter like this yes

yes you do you get tens of thousands of

likes regularly how how often do you get

ratio

how often do you get ratio

when i get it two when i get attacked

literally i can literally name you

multiple dozen check marked accounts

with over 20 000 followers joining in on

me up to three hundred thousand i've

even seen five hundred thousand they

literally all gang every single twitter

leftist gangs up on me literally all of

them including you

yeah the last time i sent me you said

just yourself the last time i said

anything to you was in january because

when i become the main topic on twitter

in your crowd it's cute whenever i go

viral in your milieu on twitter you join

in you join when when do i do that the

last time it's the last last time it

happened the last time it happened was

when i posted that picture and you

joined in okay i

thought i was i said bro what are you

doing that's it oh oh that's so

innocuous what is the context of saying

that is it like everyone attacking me at

that time why did you get so many likes

cute what were the replies to your

tweets what was the actual context you

were throwing negative energy on me you

know what exactly what you're fucking

doing being a snake

line and i thought it was funny you're

being a snake and now you're fucking

pretending to be fucking

innocent so let me ask you a question

let's get to the bottom of your problem

why if i understand you correctly you're

upset because i

said something about a selfie you took

and because you sell out i'll tell you

why i'm obsessed with you because you

sell out because you i'll tell you why

this is the exact reason you sell out

when it comes to when it comes down to

it you're upset that you're upset that i

said something that you didn't like is

what you're upset no you joined you

ganged up with the mob against me

your balls get bigger but then when

somebody gives a fraction of the energy

back to you you become my enemy you

become my enemy one thousand percent and

q let me tell you something you can just

you can just attack and disrespect

anybody that you like but i disrespect

my enemies those are already my enemies

and those are my enemies why the white

leftist is my enemy is the white leftist

that's that's a muslim woman

yara i didn't even disrespect yara

anybody that you can write off as a

traitor deserves it but when have i

attacked muslims on twitter when have i

attacked muslims what muslims have i

attacked and yara is a traitor she's a

traitor let me ask you something let me

ask you something but you could just

call anybody because let me tell you why

because i'll tell you why because yara

is the type of muslim because i think

i'll tell you why because i'll tell you

exactly why i'll tell you why cause she

listen she went

i'll tell you because there's a type of

muslim who goes to college in the west

and they find out that the liberal

leftists is sympathetic a little bit

pretends to be to islam so they decided

to go all in with the academic leftists

and end up selling out other muslims in

the process to impress the white

professor and the white leftist that's

why and let me tell you something

is is the white leftist a friend or

enemy of islam is a white left

is the white

how do we think you know each other how

do you think we know each other i don't

believe

everything you just said was false no is

the white leftist a friend just make

that up no you can make up anything

about people that you deem your enemies

it's 1 000 true is the white leftist

okay answer this question

when somebody gives you a fraction of

the energy back it says hey hey hang on

a second no no check this no right

that's not what happens q q q i'm waging

war two

when i'm at war and you join my enemies

you're my enemy too you need to attract

that kind of attention to a spell is the

kind of theories you want to expel so

you can do that without attracting all

the spectacle in the attention yeah as

well yes

because guess what i'm going against

yeah

i said you don't have to actually go

through all this and then what you said

back to me was well yeah but when i was

doing the quiet theory stuff people

weren't watching my stream yeah yeah

hey aq it's not just that

it's not just that

what that also means is when you go

after people in public okay and when you

have to go after someone that i know

like people respect like who and i

respond to you like who you can't just

take it as disrespect and attack

disrespected me the minute you attacked

me not when you quote tweeted me arguing

with me

second of all second of all from the

very get-go from the very first time

that we had an in-person conversation i

said i don't like doing the debate then

why attack me on twitter did i not say

i'll don't i you know what you know you

know what i was doing while i was

tweeting back and forth with you man i

was building a rabbit hutch

it didn't take me any time or energy

okay yes it did it was going on for

hours you dug up your highlighted

notebook you dug up a highlighted

passage from lennon of course

out of my bookshelf

listen

right here

everything could have been settled in a

debate everything could have been

settled in the basement bookshelf is

literally right

now answer my question to go and pull

the collected works of lenin off my

bookshelf open it up to the very first

chapter because that book you mentioned

is in the first chapter yeah q answer

and go ahead and answer this question go

ahead answer this question

right answer this question

is the white leftist a friend or enemy

of islam the white leftist yeah does the

white leftist

love islam do i consider do i consider

white leftist allies of islam no no i

don't oh really well that's who you

pander to on twitter

okay how many of your likes are from

white leftists

how many of your likes do you think come

from white leftists i don't check my

likes i've checked them i've checked

them i say ninety percent okay i have no

idea who likes my tweets

well it's like ninety percent

they're ninety percent white leftist and

that's very conservative very much the

majority actually go through my tweets

check who is liking my tweets and then

check their profiles to see that they're

white leftists

why do you why do you covet the favor of

the liberal and the leftist why that's

the thing i don't cover anybody's favor

i explain to you from the very oh you

just act independently

i say things because i believe them and

i

ghost like that's it i might go back and

forth to people but i'm not trying to

but not hold on so when everyone's

attacking me one when everyone's when

everyone's

cue

whenever i go viral by getting negative

attention from leftist twitter you join

in

what percentage of the vote did the

communist party of canada get in the

previous election less than the shit on

my ass

very little so if i wanted to be liked

why would i align myself with them

because being liked politically is very

different from being liked on twitter

and social media where you get your

validation do you think that

i don't know canada is a country that's

friendly to communism are you popular on

twitter yes or not is canada a country

that's friendly to communism

obviously not so if i wanted to be liked

why would i go with the least popular

political tendency because even though

it's not popular among the majority of

canadians among urban liberals it is

quite popular

oh yeah it is yes it is they're quite

sympathetic to it that's where all

communists and canada come from do you

know where we ran in the previous

election where do communists in canada

come from all over the place the urban

liberals no they're all ex-liberals all

of them oh yes i mean i mean some people

used to be members of the liberal party

some people did use believe in america

these are all the people who voted

around hillary's they were all hillary

staffers in 2016. your friend sama was

too common his party of canada members

were hillary staffers not no in america

the communists were hillary staffers i

i don't even okay yes they were

like communist party sorry cp usa

members yeah

absolutely which which ones that i know

a huge proportion i'm pretty sure the

samurai girls

members that i know were hilarious gsa

cpusa they're all ex-hillary people i

know them personally i met them in

person

okay but how many of them do i know

those aren't the people that i know that

are considered friends or comrades

i hardly know when you side with woke

leftists against muslims

who which ones can you explain to me

consistently which ones

consistency consistently

which walk leftist do i side with

against muslims

which ones whenever woke leftists are

ganging up on muslims you side with the

woke leftists which ones

i know that's not true i know that's not

true really i know that

yeah i know that's absolutely not true

why because i know that there's been

several times that i've caught shit for

saying like listen that's not your place

to say as a matter of fact i've talked

i've talked about i've talked about woke

washing i've talked about homo

nationalism and i've talked about pink

ones so i saw in my timeline being used

i saw on my timeline

as a matter of fact i've also said that

the worst the worst tragedy of my life

was not 911 it was the u.s invasion of

libya because they destroyed the sole

african country okay

i've always said that that is the worst

now let me ask you this

i saw this myself when samira said that

they them army and literally tens of

thousands of people came after her what

did you say

i said wyd

and i posted a picture oh so is that not

throwing negative attention on a muslim

to side with the woke white leftist why

would you talk about the quote unquote

they them army i was like what are you

doing like what is this what is this

proving oh you're so innocent you just

like just like with me just like with me

it was so innocent what are you doing

just like me it was so innocent i didn't

understand what that was just like with

me it was so innocent right you were

just like oh why would you post this

listen you know what you're doing you

know what you're doing somebody cause

when somebody says something weird

bizarre or shitty

and i say to them

what are you doing oh it's it's it's and

you just decided

when you when you when have you ever

initiated that you always are slither

under the surface of walk left is doing

it you're playing dumb

you're fucking playing dumb why don't

you dm

why don't you dm people instead of doing

that fine you know what the next time

that you do you say something or strange

or that i find bizarre i will dm you and

be like hey yeah q

so when have you ever led the charge if

this is truly your independent view it

always seems like it always comes after

it gets viral based on the woke what

leftist mob attacking them

what were you talking about

every single case i gave you of you

doing this shit was only after it was

you jumping in it was you jumping in you

jump in

you know you know that like samir and i

don't just talk over twitter like i will

text her i'll text her you jumping

that's just an example you this is who

you are literally

literally had 90 minute conversations

with samira dude like i don't attack

samara

if i had something that i thought was

important to discuss offline i will talk

to samir about it offline and i have

done that yeah what are you talking

about but when you have another muslim

being attacked by the woke mob and you

join in

any time that i've thought that there

has there's something that needs to be

said that should be discussed in private

i discuss it with her in private so what

are you talking about you join in with

the awoke leftist mom join in with

anybody i said what are you doing

because i my ad my question was what are

you doing okay in in context what is

that reflection

is that referring to the widespread

outrage the tweet caused

i jump on it did i say this is uh this

is this is this is

uh it's you know it's hilarious it's

it's like you know what this would be

like

how do i say i'm not your friend anymore

that i'm disavowing did i say any of

that no you know what this would be like

what's up this would be like if

you had a fucking pow a soviet pow in a

nazi camp and nazi guards were attacking

him and all this shit and then you were

like oh i didn't like your backward

views on women i'm just gonna chime in

what's the context what's the fucking

context

you really you really believe that it's

an extreme example of how being innocent

in a context of overwhelming negative

attention defines it as a form of

joining in and i know you don't believe

that you don't believe it's an extreme

example but yeah that's the point no

it's nothing like that listen okay

listen though all right because when

everyone's already attacking someone and

you throw negative energy on them it

doesn't matter what your intentions are

what you're doing is joining with that

mom you don't need to do this okay if

what you're saying to me is hey listen

yo bro like man-to-man i'd appreciate it

that if you had like a comment about

something that i said do like

no that's just one of those unspoken

things i would never ask you that i'm

spoken things you just literally said it

to me you know your virtue signaling to

the world leftists okay and by the way

the ruling class is not conservative

they're woke leftist

okay

yeah all right

yeah that's why did you that's why the

political woke leftists or like the

liberals or whatever they're they're

like aspiring they're aspirants they're

like no they are the ruling class no

they're not okay are the people at davos

conservative or progressive and liberal

the people at davos are just rich

assholes that i don't know that you

could really pick their ideology do they

have do they speak the language of

progress are there social views

progressive or conservative

no

because they say things like the world

is overpopulated which is a malthusian

theory you don't think run you don't

think malthusianism comes from the

progressives it does

malthusian malthusianism comes from

eugenicists

progressives were they were all

eugenicists back in the day eugene

the progressive movement was eugenicist

and character because the very it was

called it was about the progression of

the white race

the the progressive woke are in origin

eugenesis

yes they fucking are these people are

spontaneously eugenicists all right

where did where did um like this

overpopulation myth come from like we're

now

sure malthus wasn't the first one to

talk about like the uh the the

artificial scarcity or to artificially

uh try to prove that the world was uh

scarcer and resources than the

population was able to handle do you not

know that the hippie movement that

started in california that gave rise to

the new left and all the woke bullshit

oh hold up hold up what came before

molotus is what i'm saying it came from

the enclosure movement which which was

of itself a reactionary conservative

movement right it just adopted the

language of progressives the enclosure

movement was conservative

the enclosure movement romantic

conservatives reviled it opposing the

closing off of public grounds and public

property was liberal and progressive it

was it was the forward-thinking liberal

and progressive way of destroying

traditional bonds in the countryside

sure we disagree on that but okay that's

literally a fact of history the

conservatives reviled

as to what the uh facts of the matter

were we disagree as to the

characteristics

you're gonna deny that progressivism is

inherently eugenicist okay do

corporations push no no no no i already

said to you that the progressive

movement and i'm talking i'm referring

to the progressive movement in the late

1800s okay let's talk about the woke

progressive movement

our corporations woke up

do corporations push social agendas what

do corporations push woke social agendas

despite being massively unpopular

whatever social agendas make them money

and yet they're massively unpopular

among the population yes they are the

majority of people are not on board with

the woke agenda i don't care whether

it's on board or not so why are the

corporations pushing it

thank you

thank you sub base

people like to believe that when they

consume things there is an act of uh

it's an act of activism okay so that

that must be why even though most people

people people like

people like to substitute consumption

for action so by consuming a thing

you've actually it's interesting it's

interesting how when it's interesting

how when corporations

oh yeah i love that i love that it's

interesting how corporations are just

co-opting the real thing but when it

comes to the trucker convoy

but right-wingers never co-opt

working-class movements right right

working-class movies all the time what

are you talking about no they're all

settlers and racists and and uh bad

people did i say that they're they're

all they're all uh they're all uh cool

locks and stuff right yeah that's pretty

pretty much what you fucking said said

it's not a working-class movement no i

said i said if that was the case then i

guess that whole cool locks business was

over nothing you said it was not a

working-class movement oh my god i don't

think it's a worsening class

working-class movement we're not going

to agree and that's fine yeah it's not

cooperative it's in

movement essence not cooperative notice

do you notice how we moved from

uh like

me attacking

uh fellow muslims

to virtual signaling to walk leftists to

whether corporations are woke and

whether that makes them because i want

to know why leftists i want to know why

i want to know why muslims adopted by

the leftists think white left his other

friends

and then when i'm halfway through

answering it you leap to something else

because you never answer anything

because we're not

i'm answering a question you stopped me

from answering

you never answer anything i literally

can't even get a sentence before you

interrupt me like and then move on to

something else you never directly answer

any of my questions you it to something

irrelevant this is why i don't do debate

stuff you ask questions that deserve

full answers and when i give an answer i

don't know

why

is it is it a prevalent phenomenon

is it a prevalent

i'll go ahead and describe to you

something so is it true that sometimes

muslims come to western countries first

generation second generation whatever

and they realize that superficially the

right wing is against them and that the

left wing seems to be more sympathetic

to them and that they therefore become

adopted by the left wing start to adopt

left-wing ideas and start to try and fit

in with leftists and become more like

them because the only ones who accept

them

and then in the process do some do that

i would say probably is it a very

prevalent phenomenon i would say

probably about as many as uh are

co-opted like

try to impress people who are

conservatives and make money and are

capitalized

you think muslims become assimilated by

conservatives as much as they do because

by leftists i think i i mean i can't i

don't know offhand what percentage is

assimilated into quincy now let me ask

you a question i'm just all i'm saying

is i grew up in a um a very like mixed

neighborhood and i've seen people from

all walks of life go to both i didn't

grow up muslim i grew up christian

christian i grew up christian and from

what i can see from the outside i've

seen it go both ways but i don't have

that long-term

born into the uh belief insider

knowledge that i could really answer

that question so i i do i do

so i experience my observations i've

seen it go both ways so i do actually

and you want to also i know what quincy

because it actually happened to me

okay i used to be one of these leftist

muslims on twitter who attack me

okay so i know everything inside out how

they think where it comes from

everything

i know them better than anyone oh well

so we have something in common we both

we're on the sort of like left the rule

site and then

no i was an extreme radical leftist

okay

like these people

all right

i know how they think i know why they do

what they do so the question is is what

they are doing in

services who is they and who are you

referring all the white i saw all the

muslim leftists who attacked me on

twitter i don't know what goes through

their mind you can't you can't just say

that because i do i do know what goes

through their minds i do know it goes

through the mind you can't just say

because they have a disagreement with

you automatically they fall into this

category basically

basically that means anybody who has a

disagreement with you or dislikes you

automatically falls into the category of

left yes

because they're virtue signaling because

they're virtually significantly saying

is that you are the you are the

lodestone by which anybody can measure

what ideology somebody falls into yes oh

yeah i am a divisive figure

literally yes i am the most divisive

leftist on twitter

you're not the center of the universe

that yes i am well

people say thank you

quincy i think i think hey hey hey

listen i will grant you that many people

will jump on the bed am i going to make

fun of you because they want to be like

by their friends of course it happens

people do that that's the only reason

they do it that's why there's a main

character of the day on twitter and

quincy quincy do i think people take

do i think people take principal

disagreements with you yes and i think

you have a hard time telling the

difference between the two sometimes

quincy

name one other leftist figure

name one other left oh hey let me ask

you a question last question so if

you're talking about disrespect this

entire time right

and i'm trying to speak to you as

respectfully as i can right now

especially because i know why what got

you upset and i'm walking things back so

that i'm not making you more i don't

care call me short i am short i'm 5 8.

let's continue that was when that was

when i was doing hey whoa whoa that was

when i was working back and forth with

you but now that i get you took it as

disrespect i'm trying to be like i'm

trying to be as respectful as i can be

here okay so like when i joke about hey

when i joke around with somebody

and i see that they're taking it as

disrespect i'll stop doing it because i

don't okay

so whatever your name is cue

knowing that hey knowing that i've

stopped doing that why are you still

calling me quincy because i actually

thought that that's your name so cute

okay so q

what's up you

have to ask this question okay

when it comes to the amount of leftists

on twitter attacking me okay and the

motivations for why they're doing it

obviously the majority are doing it to

jump in on the bandwagon okay now let me

ask you another question i don't know

their motivations do i think some people

are jumping so here's the question

here's the question

is there a single

this is why i am the anchor point the

anchor stone that measures people's

positions

is there a single leftist or whatever

communist is there a single you're not

that flashpoint dude yes i am is there a

single hold on sometimes you say things

that are funny or goofy and people don't

okay let me ask you a question is there

a single guy on twitter who unites vosh

destiny

uh maoist psychotics ahojas anarchists

liberals every shade of leftist

literally every shade of leftist against

them

is there a single person who unites them

all against

i don't pay attention to who's going

after you when you ask do you know of

anyone who who does who who unites the

left as a whole against them

i don't think you unite the left

i don't think i do i don't think yes i

do they literally posted a picture that

got 2 000 likes

i think you're assuming the intent of

everybody who disagrees with you to be

hostile and in politics

okay quincy we're not talking about

to be clear

come on you have to be able to admit

this sometimes you just say goofy shit

and that's quincy sorry cue

the there is literally a picture that

got 2 000 likes of all arms four arms

uniting against me vosh ml's anarchists

liberals all of them uniting against me

so it's not true yeah it's not true two

thousand likes i mean there's two

thousand people out of like which isn't

a lot

on twitter

two thousand isn't a lot

but i mean it's pretty indicative of the

sentiment no it's a representative

portion no like i've seen quincy quincy

quincy i see people tweet about like

gossip girl and get 15 sorry q q q

q the only listen to the only people who

unite all of those people together like

that are right wingers i'm the only

communist that they and they call me a

right winger of course that they and i

don't care and they unite against me

i think you have some very socially

reactionary points of view and that's

how people take it name one um i mean

you say a lot of stuff about trans women

for like why

like what have i said about trans women

and again i really pay attention to a

lot of this stuff i just have seen

things you said float by my timeline

well you're saying i'm socially

reactionary so i just want to know why

you said yo hold up i don't remember

offhand because you know what when i see

stuff that doesn't like if i don't think

it requires comment i will just let it

go by me right so out of all the times

that you've been dumped on or ratio or

whatever how many times have i actually

commented on it barely any why because

it doesn't concern me it's not my

business so i just let it go

all right i'm saying are there trans

supporters of me

i don't know how about mods i have no

idea how about moderators i have no idea

so what have i said about trans people

what have i said about them

okay hold on

okay this is yeah the tweet that you

sent to me um

oh yeah evil white supremacists who want

to flaunt their hatred of trans people

or whatever you people say people

doesn't know afterwards announcing them

are black people especially known for

fixating on trans issues now nor they're

not i was like yeah when you said that i

was like why would you bring that up

like what did it have to do with our

conversation at all because thank you uh

christmas

two things thank you

two things right first thing

is the way in which you arbitrarily

accuse the masses of people of which you

don't like for being transphobic or

islamophobic whatever

it's a leftist trope so it's just like

it's such a fringe thing to accuse

people of okay the truth the reason the

reason i brought it up is because like i

was like why did he bring that up out of

the blue when none of our conversation

was about that but did i do that didn't

trudeau say that what but you just did

it when you accused me of transform

being transphobic all right no i said

yeah this is why because woke leftist

have a tendency

because woke listen because woke left us

hey hey hey you asked me a question i

said because you say some changes you

said i said that you were uh socially

reactionary and you asked me why i

thought that and i was like well one of

the things that you say some strange

things about translation no you said i

said some transformers

well sticking in my crawl was the

exchange we had earlier today when you

brought up trans people and the

competition had nothing to do with that

whatsoever i was like because woke

leftists tend to bizarrely and

arbitrarily accuse people of transphobia

for no reason

but you just did it you just did it

what you just did it now i did yeah

bringing up me bringing up hey why would

you bring up like that issue in a

conversation that had nothing to do with

that struck me as strange and when i

bring it up to you just now you always

use this innocuous language

nature of what we're talking about right

now like i was like hey the stuck in my

craw that you brought up um hatred of

trans people time to do this convoy and

i was like why would he say that and i

find that it uh to be a social

reactionary tick and you say

well why would you why would you think

that i'm saying well because you say

some strange things and i bring up i

bring up the strange thing you say oh so

you want all you need is other examples

hold on then all you need is other

examples

where nobody was talking about that so

you just need other examples of where

woke left is just arbitrarily accuse

people of transphobia right because

you're not convinced that's a thing

did i say anything about you being

transphobic i said you have social

social reactionary takes and this was

one of them what was reactionary about

it well why would you bring it up in a

conversation that had nothing to do with

it again because woke leftists tend to

arbitrarily accuse

didn't i say you people what did i mean

by you people i don't know what you mean

by you usually people say you people to

me it doesn't mean anything respectful

but i ignored it what do you think i

meant what do you think i meant by that

i ignored two things that i could have

okay so what do you think i meant by

that

you want to talk about virtue signaling

right so when i saw that tweet i ignored

two like definite red flags that i could

have been like transformed racist

whatever the fuck

race oh come on explain the racist thing

hey hey hey i said i ignored it because

i have no idea what was going through

your head nor did i care to investigate

explain the racist thing explain how it

could be racist now because when people

say you people to a black person they

generally mean like black people as

something other than or separate or

whatever right but what i but

come on dude what

when somebody says you people and it's

not something good but i took it i took

it as maybe he just doesn't know he

probably didn't mean it that way i'm

just gonna ignore it what the fuck hold

on you don't think i've said you people

to leftists and

all the time

i literally always say that did i just

say that you were racist did i say that

you said it was a tick that's so weird

that's just weird social reactionary

tics yeah yeah but that's weird to think

of racism and i said and i said that you

brought up the trans issue

so who

so if i say you people whatever you

people say when it comes to uh accusing

people of transphobia

what is it most logical to assume that

refers to don't know and i did not try

just just yes

so i don't know

here's the thing here's the thing here's

the thing here's okay i i made the

assumption that you didn't mean anything

like uh racist or whatever by it right i

assumed that it was just that's very

generous of you that's very generous of

you

let's actually get to the point

i assumed you meant nothing harmful by

it which is why i didn't comment on it

at all okay that's very generous of you

because um

that makes no sense to me but anyway

when i say

okay ask any black person what what they

take away when somebody says you people

to them and in any context tell me what

you get so if i'm arguing with plumbers

and i'm talking shit about plumbers and

i'm like and you know

and and and and uh fixing toilets or

whatever you people do you talking about

plumbing yeah but i'm thought but okay

what was i talking about if you're

talking hey but if you're talking to a

bunch of black plumbers and you're like

but you people do this

no that that that's not excuse

statistically statistically it would

only be one black plumber

amidst major majority of leftists are

not black hold on the majority of people

like yourself are not black i want you

to go up to a random group of any black

people strike up a conversation and then

say you people you are not a group of

black people you are not a group of

black people i want you to go up to one

eight black person

strike up a conversation okay in the

middle of a conversation say you people

and then see what kind of reaction you

get okay

listen what i clearly meant by you

people

i said i ignored it

yes i assumed that you didn't mean

anything harmful did i not

okay why are we talking about it hold on

hold on i'm talking about it because

the people

i'm referring to

i you don't have to clarify no i'm not

i'm not clarifying the racism thing i'm

getting to another point i'm getting to

another point when i said about the

trend the trans thing or who's um

transphobia because the people who are

coming out against the truckers and

that's what it means you people who are

leftists leftists coming out against the

truckers will say well the truckers are

misogynistic and transphobic and this

and that and they'll justify it and i

said whatever you people say they're

transphobic or something

okay

but did i say that so no you didn't have

to say it but you are a leftist you are

a leftist against the the convoy

did

you're you didn't position yourself and

alliances anybody has a right to i

believe anybody even reactionaries or

whoever else i disagree with has the

right to go on progress but you are

aligning yourself with the people

because you're upset because i'm not

agreeing with them and because i'm not

rallying with them i'm not going to do

that no that's not going to that's

no one said that's why i'm upset but you

are aligning yourself with the leftists

who say it is a reactionary protest

and not a working-class protest if we

have if we have a conversa if we have a

conversation if we have a conversation

that uh you know

i say that i agree with something and

you say you disagree with it or whatever

right i'm not saying that you're lying

or disliking yourself with anything it's

just how you feel that's what your

opinion is hold on yeah okay you have to

be honest here are you not aligning

yourself with the leftists who are

negatively

okay so did yara give positive or

negative coverage of the protests in her

quote with me she

criticized the protests

so she gave negative coverage of them

i criticized the protest but did she

give negative coverage of them let's see

what she said doesn't matter

okay just so we're clear on how hard it

is to establish common sense um this is

what so first she said their

anti-communist she said this is a

working-class uprising led by a tiny

percent who are half-ties to fascist

fringe parties and who are um harassing

actual communists so i'm pretty sure

she's positioning herself against these

people right i guess

okay so in this conversation i did

explain to you that the people that

organized the convoy had those

characteristics did i not no she's

saying the rallies are filled with

fascist groups and individuals meaning

it's a mass problem

at the rally okay it's just so simple q

is yara positioning herself for or

against the rallies i think okay so

going by what she actually said right

she's saying that the rallies are a

working-class movement that are riddled

with reactionary elements which is true

so she's basically coming out against

them did she say she was four against

them did she say that they shouldn't be

there is she for against people she's

associating

the government and police should clear

them out did she say any of that that's

not what it would mean to be against

them

to be against them would be to claim you

have a thing where because somebody

criticizes the thing they must be like

ultimately aligned against it and must

hate it right this is like

this is like gaslighting

this is just gas lighting this is just

gas lighting your problem is you take

what people say and then you make a

whole bunch of inferences from what

like they said it in the first place it

is not a stretch to assume that

something it's not a matter of whether

it's a stretcher okay when the essential

when it's not it is not a stretch to

assume your assumption don't interrupt

me don't interrupt me

whatever you can infer from what

somebody says is not their

responsibility it's yours hold on it is

not a stretch to assume that someone

just let me get it out it is not a

stretch holy fuck it is not a stretch to

assume at all it's very reasonable to

infer it's likely to infer a normal

person would infer and a person typing

this would themselves be implying

that when

the essential political significance of

a phenomena as you're describing it lies

in its association with fascism and its

anti-communism that you would be

positioning yourself against it if you

call yourself a communist yes or no what

when the first thing that comes to your

mind when it comes to these is that

they're anti-communist and they're

associated with fascism and that's the

significance you're taking away

that kind of means you're against them

right

that she's against the protest like the

truckers himself she's there's there's a

division among the left on twitter right

the entire time she was talking about

the people who organized it

she was talking about

the canadian truckers the reason i know

that is because my original tweet was

about the canadian truckers which she

was quote

she's defining the canadian truckers

movement based on

okay the fact is did she say it or did

she not the fact that she did not say it

and you assumed it

it's so fucking obvious it's just in

your head and it belongs to you it's so

i'm literally gonna click her

i'm clicking i'm clicking her

you understand this is like there's a

strain that goes through this

conversation here right like you assumed

that i was disrespecting you i'm like

okay boy why did she retweet something

that says why did she retweet this

woke left and this that in the third of

my cookie but what did i actually say so

is this signaling so this isn't

signaling against nothing in what you've

said so far has anything to do with that

what actually came out of people's

mouths or things that we've cited right

what it has to do with this what you

think about it and then you make up a

thing to be mad at that you think we're

trying to say and then you argue with

that instead so cute so cute

um it is a crazy coincidence but she

just so happened to um say another thing

against the protesters i don't know it's

not against actually but it's just

courtesy wouldn't surprise you that

they're not representative who ninety

percent vaccinated heavily south asian

and worried about things like wage shed

that it kind of sounds like she has a

negative attitude towards the

controversy

people are missing the point that there

are people in the trucking industry that

should be cured and worried about and

should be mentioned that aren't but it

says that she

like the other tweet she just made

before that we can keep going on her

timeline she says i'm not going to

define her thoughts but everything that

you said to me so far sounds like she

said a thing and then you inferred from

it and you're arguing with the

inferences okay so is my inference wrong

i can tell you what i believe because

you when i came in here you thought you

i was saying i'm going to tell you

something

i'm going to go ahead and tell you

something about how there wouldn't be a

stretch to assume

you said that okay i'm gonna tell you

how certain i am in my inference

that she's signaling again how certain

you are the fact is if i think a person

didn't actually say a thing they didn't

say it whatever comes after that belongs

to you so you're saying she literally

has to tweet his job to convince you

that they can it's no one's job to to

word their statements in such a way that

is so airtight against your suspicions

that they cannot be criticized so you're

saying she has to say hold on so you're

saying she would have to say directly i

am against the convoy instead of giving

the reasons

but did she criticize the convoy or the

backwards of the convoy she criticized

the convoy

she claimed

thank you very much

you criticized the backers

so it's obvious so she retweeted the

trucker convoy is so obviously a

right-wing operation astro turf by

conservative billionaires it's absurd

seeing leftists pretend otherwise but no

she's not signaling against the convoy

conservative billionaires so okay

i don't care if you believe that

bullshit either is a conservative

billionaire from alberta one of the

supporters of the protest you can't even

admit donations of nowhere all of us

donation

you

and your friends have positioned

yourself it's not a met okay dude

i've i've maintained from the very

beginning

so i've maintained from the very

beginning several things one that

anybody should be able to protest

government because like the government

is not above reproach

anybody for any reason should be able to

protest government so if people want to

go and park the car their trucks

downtown and protest parliament have at

it

just don't keep people up all night you

know what i mean

aside from that i couldn't really give a

shit go protest whatever you want

okay

but don't expect me to support it

because i think it's a i think it's a

scam organized by a bunch of people that

have that that's fine

but right now

okay is it a source of political

antagonism right now has it drawn a line

and divided canadians

to fight it i mean yeah i would say like

a lot of people have opinions one way or

the other sure

okay so it's an end it's a point of

antagonistic contradiction

uh i would say that it's a part of

political division i wouldn't know that

i would call it antagonistic

contradiction so when you have

a contradiction antagonistic

contradiction would mean that if

let's say that uh you're in

a political party and i'm in a political

party you are supportive of the the

convoy i am not supportive of the convoy

that we are no longer

of the same politic i don't believe that

okay i think but okay whatever but there

is a division that makes it not an

antagonistic contradiction but it's just

oh hold on it's an antagonistic

contradiction on the ground it's a

simple point of political division

that's all it is okay like it's not it's

not that deep okay so if it was

integrity it's a contradiction we

literally couldn't belong to the same

party because this is the dividing line

between the two okay but it is a

decisive point of division it's a

political division yeah it's about who

the base of a communist movement who's

the subject of a communist movement so

that's it's a very important division

okay yeah it's about whether people like

those truckers are the subject of a

communist movement and i disagree

whether they comprise the working class

i don't think they do you think that

yeah so the working class is the subject

of community you think that they are i

don't think that they are based on what

so that's that has decisive implications

for a party

because it's gonna it's gonna determine

what kind of people a party is gonna

define itself for i think it is and

you're making this out to be something

that it's not because i think at the end

of the day once this whole thing

disperses we're gonna forget about this

in a couple of months it'll be some

other issue no queue i don't think it's

all that important it's actually

important because it's about who the

subject of a communist movement is

whether it's gonna be these type of

people or it's gonna be city

is the vanguard gonna see people like

this as the subject the revolutionary

subject or are they gonna see the city

liberals right so yeah it is a decisive

thing anyway now

since uh it's so obtuse we had to go

through all that now that we're past

that

we have to ask the question is there a

division among leftists on twitter of

those sympathetic and those who are

opposed now you don't like the language

opposed among all political groups is

the division among conservatives let's

just say positive view or positive view

versus negative views there's literally

a division among all political lines

i've seen people who are in the ndp who

are for the convoy people who are

against i've seen people who are

liberals that are foreign against i've

seen people who are conservatives who

are foreign against yeah they're yeah

except it seems to be cross hatching

across

liberals it's not 50 50 among liberals

whatsoever no what percentage it is i

have seen people argue both foreign

almost all liberals hate them second of

all okay i do do you know that i don't

yes i do yes i do okay there's no way

that you could know that because i know

you're like sure i'll put i will put my

balls under a guillotine and let the

guillotine fall if i'm wrong

i know you are not that keyed into

canadian liberals i know you're not so

come on i will put my balls under a

guillotine and let it fall

instincts and that's fine but come on

like they'll stick to what you know okay

i do know they're against second of all

don't know that yes i have a gut feeling

you like the party yes i do have you

have you taken a poll of liberals i will

put my balls under a guillotine and let

it fall if i'm wrong let's continue

there's no need to do that please keep

your balls no

i will keep them which is why i'm

willing to risk it now anyway

every time a

social justice warrior quote tweets you

like i want you to keep that right so so

let's continue let's continue when it

comes to the information age and you

have polarizing phenomena it's a black

and white thing you're for you're

against negative or positive that's how

it works functionally are you signaling

in favor or signaling against

here's no yes it's black and white no no

it doesn't work that way because i've

said

they can go ahead and protest i'm just

not going to cheer them on or organize

with them or rally for them okay so

you're signaling against them

how do i feel am i for against i don't

give a fuck i don't care so no that's

not true you are signaling against them

yes you are

i've talked about the organizers and the

fact that they're um like you're talking

shit on them just like you talked shit

on me before what it's the same thing

about how you've talked about me in

public or organizing

what does it have to do with you because

everything on the internet works like

when there's a point of polarization you

are for or against there's no nuance

because the world doesn't revolve around

what it is that you find important to

run important no but there are you can

discern what the essence of the division

is

like come on now it's like quarter to

four in the morning i'm trying to have a

conversation with you and you're you

just can't stop this bravado dude like

come on like at some point can you just

drop it in that whole person

you can you i know that i know this is

streaming and this is content but at

some point can you like just talk like a

normal person i am telling you as a

normal style people this is not how

people have confidence like i've in all

the conversations

on contradictions including people in my

family that are truckers themselves we

don't talk like this we have

conversations about like what's going on

and who's organizing it whether you

support it whether you read miles on

contradictions

did you read our contradiction

yes i've read a contradiction you know

what it means when a line is drawn

yes

is it black and white or is there nuance

in between

no there's black and white do i think

this is one of those issues where the

line is drawn no i don't you seem to why

not which is your prerogative but you

can't force me let's look at the actual

okay let's look at it from the

perspective of canadian society and

canadian politics and canada

why is it not a line

why is

yeah objectively let's have an objective

materials analysis how does it not

function as a line

is future the question of whether you're

for against it doesn't define your

politic or your characteristics which as

i've said

the fact that this is being argued in

multiple political circles tells me that

you can't draw neat lines wait it

doesn't define politics in canada right

now

no

it doesn't why not it it's a like i said

i said is it a flash point is it a point

of political division yes does it define

politics no it doesn't why not

because if it did then there would be a

massive reorganization there would be a

massive political realignment around

this very issue that is literally what

is happening

because of the vaccine mandates in

america

all right it's literally happening why

do you think that's not going to happen

in canada too

what

are you talking about the truckers

protest are you talking about vaccine

mandates there's two different things

both

okay the truckers protest specifically

yes it's about the mandates and the

resistance

the majority of canadians prefer vaccine

banks so it's not well that's what they

tell us and they tell us the same thing

about americans and yet it is the

fundamental thing

there is literally a political

realignment in america because the

organizations say that canadians favor

vaccine mandates now do i think they're

wrong yes

but is it the like is it the line no

because well you can trust you can trust

the organization if that was true if

that was true it wouldn't just be the

truckers in ottawa

listen

i know

for a fact

that's what they can claim

and yet

i will myself observe how all of our

politics is changing and how all the

sources of civil unrest coming from this

and i can call bullshit that the

majority of americans or canadians are

in favor of mandates it's bullshit

because that's not in europe too it's

the same thing they they always say the

majority is in favor of it they're lying

to us

so ipsos read is lying to people

yes

okay according to what

why should i trust them when there's so

much resistance to it

what's so special about the people

resisting it

i don't know man

if like if the masses of people are

coming out

moon appears to me to be bigger than

like i don't know like the alpha

centauri system am i going to assume

that the moon is bigger than stars no

i'm not it's because it's closer to me

and if i'm closer to the ground and this

is in my face i'm on social media i'm

being surrounded by this there's a lot

more like division and like the single

source of political division and

animosity single greatest source

political division whether it's on

forums or twitter spaces or whatever a

lot of people are talking about it but

uh the majority of canadians

are supportive of the mandate according

to them and i'm going then i'm only

going to assume that people aren't

having the same kinds of conversations

that i am because i am not the center of

the universe

the single greatest source of political

unrest and social unrest and division

since

the covid has come

has been about lockdowns and mandates

yeah

okay

i would say the biggest the no the

biggest

not political division mind you at least

not in canada anyway like the united

states might be different

but in canada um

it's a minority of people that are angry

with the

um mandates the passports etc now am i

am i supportive of the way the lockdowns

have been handled am i supportive of

vaccine passports at all am i supportive

of mandates

no

but

i'm also not the center of the universe

i have my principled reasons for

opposing them but i don't

uh project my points of view onto the

majority and say this is something that

you have to come on one side or the

other this is the point of political

division i'm not gonna say that

hold on okay so first i'm a taillist

who's just tailing behind what's popular

now it's because of my principles

i'm not saying no i didn't say that

either

so what is it

clearly it's popular

why would i be accused of tailism

otherwise it's clearly because it's

popular

tailism is catching on to the wave of

this spontaneous uprising and assuming

that it's the revolutionary

vanguard around which we must organize

our principles and begin to

draw these people into no that's not

what it is

when instead of assuming leadership over

that spontaneous phenomena

you just tail behind it

instead of assuming decisive leadership

that's what taylor was about

waiting for the spontaneous phenom like

spontaneous phenomena to occur in the

first place

that's spontaneous but rather rather

than rather than organizing first and

bringing

um uprising into effect you don't

organize until you actually have a

working class to organize that's

intelligible

a specifically a working-class movement

and a working you don't convince them

you don't you don't convince people

to organize a working class

you don't convince people to be

dissatisfied one thing to the next to

the next because you don't convince

people to be dissatisfied with the

system to say to you is that no this is

not the political it is to you but it's

not to anybody else

right now yes it is

to you to everyone

who you particular you you and who else

has to all of all of twitter right now

it is to left this twitter to literally

that's what's getting all the engagement

and all the likes

the people that you see on twitter dude

come on listen q it is the meta on

twitter to be talking about this okay

and you know it all right so it is

that it is the theme it was met on

twitter a couple of months ago to talk

about whether nancy reagan sucked dick

like that yeah but it wasn't no it there

was not nearly as much energy and

intensity on left twitter about that

than this

there was a lot but okay so that's just

first on twitter the second thing is

that in reality it is

you're not going to convince me of this

because

none of this stuff translates to real

life one to one okay can some of this

energy be brought into real life yes is

it a are these conversations the

politics around which people align their

own personal interests that are not

online like us no it's not and if that

was the case everybody would be a

fucking communist and they aren't are

they this yeah i agree twitter is not

the same as real life and yet in real

life people don't care about politics

that's what you're trying to say but

when it comes to politicians people

don't care about politics i'm saying

that people don't they don't they don't

give a fuck about it but

when it comes to what's political i

think no i think people generally care

about politics just not the same issues

that we do

there's literally hundreds of thousands

protesting this is what's changing

hundreds of thousands what in ottawa

all over the world against vaccine

mandates and the thing is is that in in

ottawa

or okay in ottawa

all right

this is

what is

dividing

us

no dude

people are there are thousands of people

in ottawa that are protesting the

mandates and several other things

and i think that they have a reason

every right and reason to do so i don't

necessarily agree with the organizers i

think that they are reactionaries and i

think scammers to a great extent because

this very same group of people that are

organizing now fell apart previously

because they were embezzling and

defrauding each other do i think that

they are taking advantage of do i think

they're taking advantage of popular

energy and co-opting it into a

right-wing movement yes but do i do i

think that everybody that's at that

protest is some sort of white

supremacist or thoughts here no i think

there's just a lot of people who are

pissed off about the mandates and i

think they have reasons to be

i just don't think that they are a

group of people that we can organize

politically around i don't you do that's

fine for you but i disagree okay okay so

this is drawing a line in canada of

whether you're for and against the

truckers politically it's drawing a lot

it objectively is

oh it's not

drawing a line holy shit it's just like

january 6 did here yes it is oh my god

and i ca i failed to see how this

controversy okay listen hey if you

believe so have at it i don't think i

don't think that's true i don't agree

but if that's what you believe have at

it who am i to tell you any different

what's dividing people in canada right

now um there are multiple issues

there are many issues what's the main

contradiction the principal contract uh

it's actually uh

unemployment and housing are like the

like the largest ones the ones that have

like drawn the largest amounts of

mobilization consistently

um are uh housing and employment that's

the primary contradiction in canada

right now

no the primary contradiction in canada

is like is is uh mining reit and oil

companies against the rest of us this is

the primary controversy no that's your

ideological no that's what it actually

is

yeah but the workers who are in mining

and oil and all that shit beg to differ

sure so that's your view how can you say

it's objectively the primary

contradiction all of us minors and

oil workers who's all of us

yeah but listen okay okay let me put it

this way you yourself understand this

i kind of agree with you oh no no no

wait wait wait wait wait i kind of agree

with you guys i kind of agree with you

i just think you can look at that same

contradiction between the rural working

class effectively and the city urban

elites

in terms of the trucker protests so yes

the truck approach protest is the

most recent manifestation of that

division

those distinctions are not so neat here

is the thing yeah the trucker protest is

just the most recent manifestation of

the division you just described between

them versus you or there's no urban

rural divide it doesn't work that way

there's no urban rule dividing oh i mean

not in the sense that you're looking at

it no there is

there's urban suburban extra abundant

rural okay and not all of these

interests will line up with each other

at all times what you're describing is

a urban quote-unquote elite in toronto

is not going to have the exact same

interest as the urban elite in calgary

as the urban elite in vancouver as the

urban elite in montreal yeah they don't

work that way they're all going to be

liberals who are environmentalists and

are soy drinking vegans

there is a rural urban divide

at the most fundamental level what i'm

saying okay i'm saying it's not as neat

as you're trying like it's not as simple

as all that it kind of hurts

can you tell me what the urban elite in

like calgary looks like like

where are they employees the urban the

urban elite are

into tech they're tech savvy

they have gyno from soy

they uh

are vegans

and they're trendy they're they're

trendy they're trendy they have iphones

i don't know what that's it's is that a

city or is it a time i would pretty much

like for this stream to be broadcast out

in calgary and for them to hear that is

that is that a city or a town because

the town is urban

i'm sorry

a town is rural

are they country folk living in a town

they're city people

so it's a big city

it means one of our big cities yeah we

like oh it's amazing

it's an oil city it's a quartering it's

a quartering of like um large cities and

like just

large swaths of land

around them right like so we don't have

okay let me look up calgary because we

have we don't have we don't have we

don't have like um you know like

multiple

metropolises across the country the way

that exists in the united states canada

is basically like like a literal not

literal like literal like littoral ally

tt

most people are concentrated in a band

that's close to the united states and

we're spread out very far from one

another we're like many solitudes

we're not the same as you guys like the

character and the geography of canada is

just not the same as the u.s so you

can't really use the same paradigms

what party is

the

mayor of calgary

what party uh they want to heat dungy

um

i think you don't hear that voice is

liberal so calgaries are they're

liberals they're city liberals oh why

don't you look up uh who the

mps and mpps are

in the category here so calgary is a

conservative place valkyrie like

vacillates between the two

it's like it's a it's a

it's like a center-right city

for the most part

so they are they're not vegans

no

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you will find a lot fewer vegans in

calgary than you will in a city like

toronto

so they they this is what they put in

public this art piece and you're telling

me they're not liberal weirdos and this

is

the house upside down i don't know what

our piece you're talking about

this house upside down you're telling me

they're not uh liberal weirdos

in calgary

no dude that's what the fucking that's

where the stampede is bro

i don't know what the stampede is

so how are you gonna tell you know what

the stampede is are you gonna tell me

about the character of people who live

in that city

all i have to say is that they're

liberal

oh okay

sure you can say that they are liberal

all right

it's not the most liberal probably but

they're liberal generally they vote for

the liberal

there

okay

compared

here's the thing here's the thing um

well okay what political okay you you

asked me like you know what politics he

has i said look he's fairly liberal

right but i'm thinking liberal in terms

of like what is this leaning what is

this party affiliation house who

denchi the mayor of calgary what's his

political affiliation it's a woman who's

the mayor not a man oh yeah that's right

that's right that's right he actually

just uh he just um his term ended and

the elected a new person sorry my bad um

what's her political affiliation you're

absolutely right sorry it's foreign

so the thing is in canada we don't

actually have

political affiliations at the municipal

level

so why did you ask

i am asking because the point i'm trying

to make is that you can't

assign them a value based on a political

party because they don't have political

parties in alberta which is a very

conservative province right yeah yeah

where are you gonna find the most

liberals

in alberta yeah

probably in edmonton

where

edmonton

okay is that a city smaller city yeah

it's smaller

when you say liberals like do you mean

like members of the liberal party of

canada or liberals as in like

politically liberal socially progressive

yeah yeah so socially progressive you'll

find a lot more of them in like edmonton

okay where else

in alberta you'll find some you'll find

some in calgary but not too decent that

you will in edmonton and then pretty

much nowhere else what about okay so in

calgary

compared to rural alberta are there more

or less

are they more like progressive minded

liberal people yeah

but

there's more

so that's my point

what is your point that they're liberal

in calgary compared to the rest of

alberta jesus christ

compared to the rest of alberta but

compared to the rest of canada no

because they're in a very conservative

province

that's what i'm trying to say to you

so what that's because of the province

there are there are okay but there are

also liberal strongholds that are like

suburban ex-urban and possibly even

rural at times depending on where you go

in the country for example what much of

much of the atlantic provinces in the

maritimes are heavily liberal leaning

even out in some rural areas

yeah you're talking about the liberal

party

and politics wise

so you're saying the rule people these

rural people are like very socially

progressive and woke and shit

don't know whether they're seriously

progressive and liberal and woken shit

what i'm saying to you is for example in

america you have what i'm saying to you

what i'm saying to you is in those

provinces and the atlantic and maritime

regions they do tend to be like lean

politically liberal

right in in in the interior of canada

like in the past in america

in the interior and the prairie

provinces they tend to be conservative

in america people like joel manchin are

elected by a very conservative

electorate so there's blue dog democrats

that's hard

okay what are we getting at right now

what are we talking about the point is

it doesn't change the general and just

because there's few exceptions doesn't

change that there is clearly in america

we know there's a rural urban divide

between republicans and democrats we see

it on the electoral maps i just

explained to you there's i just

explained

you explained exceptions but there's a

general explain to you that even if you

go out into some of the less populated

and smaller cities if uh or even like

rural towns in atlantic and maritime

canada

they will generally lean liberal is

there exceptions

what

it's it's a bunch of provinces dude

how about the exceptions how many

problems hey how many territories are

there

how many territories in canada

how many provinces and territories are

there

uh

the

percentage of provinces that lean that

way are not like the outlier or vast

minority

what

the

provinces that lean liberal like

generally like liberal terms of politics

and liberal in terms of like who they

elect

are not like some outlaw like outlier or

vast minority or the exceptions or

whatever it's just that there is a

like generally a political divide that

is made by

like made up mostly by

like national geography and not

necessarily based on whether they're

cities or rural areas

okay okay among the okay so there's yeah

whatever in quebec they're gonna vote

for their own shit but each of those

have their own urban liberal urban rural

divide that goes across the whole

country it just doesn't translate

directly into they don't have a

two-party system in canada no one said

no no we don't no no we have like that's

why but there's still an urban rural

divide that is not exactly because the

blockade because a very it's actually a

very uh in a sense like a socially

liberal party and they still capture the

majority of the votes

yeah but they are they are exhausted

because because they represent quebec

and that comes first it's a nash but

listen so you don't remember we're not

talking about an urban world divided

army fuck its primary and secondary

contradictions the primary contradiction

for quebec is the national whatever

interests but within we're not talking

so we're not talking so within canada

within these provinces there's an urban

rural divide

if there was an urban rural divide in

terms of politics why are they all

voting for the same party

because

they're representing the primary

contradiction first

is their fucking prob their geography

so we're not talking about urban and

rural we're talking about national

affiliation

that's because canada doesn't have a

two-party system and it represents its

different forms so there is no urban

rural divide in the sense that you're

trying to explain it yes there is it

cuts across all of those okay

for

i'll give you an example i'll give an

example

okay what i said from the very beginning

is it's not so simple as all that right

yeah now that we're getting into all of

this are you seeing it's not so simple

as all that there's actually more

factors just because it's not a true

party system doesn't mean it's not

actually simple so for example put it

we've just explained the complicating

factors come on dude you keep

interrupting me is why because if you

didn't remember you'd hear that i would

say all you have to do is ask each of

these parties what do you think of the

truckers yay your nay is based on that

urban rural divide

okay

and that's why there's an urban rural

divide that cuts across the parties in

canada it's like yeah what you're saying

is like city people aren't liberal and

farmers aren't conservative of course

they are now do conservative farmers

may vote for overall liberal parties

yeah but that doesn't change the divide

being the fundamental source of

contradiction

what politics or the liberal party

espousing that rural farmers who are

conservative in nature would feel the

need to vote liberal

you're the one who said those rural

people voted and not the party that

represents their interests

because geography came first

and watched in okay so then my question

to you is what in what geography in

canada is that true

that's what you said you gave the

example

in what geography in canada is that true

i said that there are areas of canada

that do lean liberal and vote liberal

not just according to

whether they're urban or rural but

simply based on the fact that they've so

what provinces were you talking about

i was talking about maritime atlantic

provinces that's the one i'm talking

about

which okay which ones

maritime and atlantic province what are

they what are the maritime atlantic

provinces provinces what are you

actually silent which ones

come on dude i mean what do you mean

i'm i'm lead i'm leading you alone this

is the dominant party um okay do you

understand that what are you asking me

what do you mean what do you want me to

give you the shape

i'm leading you along here and i'm

trying to have a conversation with you

to help you understand some of this

stuff better but you're still trying to

debate with me

and this is why what are you turning

back

this is why i'm turning it back on you

and asking okay which ones because it's

like it's clear that you don't really

know when that's fine but like this is

why we're having their comments you're

talking about the word

you named

the ones you named

okay but but you're saying the ones i

named but it didn't actually name any i

just said this is where they are this is

what their geography is all right but

which provinces are there

are they you're trying to prove a point

on something that i said but you're not

even clear what the provinces are what

can you explain the relevance of that oh

i'm so the relevance is it's not as

simple as an urban rural divide which is

what i said in the first place it's a

lot so why would why would talking about

that

it's more complicated than that so why

we're talking about the provinces

what relevance does talking about the

provinces have as to whether it's not

simple or not

why don't you tell me since you know

everything tell me

i don't have to know everything all i

can know is that the urban rural divide

is the fundamental you're telling me

that there is a because it's a human

universal

i didn't name the exact province that

randomly

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divide cuts across the entirety of

canada's parties you can't even tell me

where it like you can't even tell me

what the names of anybody okay

carefully and calmly explain why that's

relevant calmly explain why that's

relevant

what

why exactly is that relevant why exactly

is that relevant to the point explain

why is

why is it relevant that the voting

patterns of people who live in urban and

rural areas

why is it relevant to normal fucking

province

because you should probably know what

you're talking about why no you should

know about what i'm talking about in

regards to what the exact province and i

kept saying to you it's more why is

this dumb fuck literally shut the fuck

up i gotta meet you you don't know how

to shut the fuck up i'm muted why is the

exact province knowing the exact

province relevant to knowing what you're

talking about in regards to knowing the

urban rural divide cuts across the

parties you named a random bum fuck area

and i don't know what province it's in

and then you said well that's because

you don't know what you're talking about

in regards to what the exact province

it's in or whether the urban rural

divide cuts across party lines it's

literally that fucking simple q there

you go he's unmuted

what i'm saying to you is more

complicated than that

that's all i said

and that is

and and and knowing the province proves

it proves that why

what knowing the province proves that

why you're saying a city in bum fuck

nowhere but it's count it's like one of

the largest cities in in like prairie

house

of the conservative party you said

halifax

i said calgary that's that's the only

city i mentioned so far and you said i

don't know

and then you said what city is more

liberal than that in alberta like will

be the most liberal city and i said

probably because here's why here's why

cities are by nature liberal rule across

the whole world it's a human universal

there's no exceptions the urban rural

divide is the fundamental antagonism

that has throughout all of human history

since any civilization has driven

the class struggle everywhere there's no

exceptions and it is that simple it's

true in canada too now what form

what form in canada requires more

detailed analysis but in canada despite

that they have one two three four five

major parties this binary division cuts

across all of those party lines

does it yes it does

then why does the ndp which is probably

the most like socially liberal party get

votes out in rural areas for the same

reason the democratic party gets votes

in rural areas no

northern ontario is for the most part

rural and the ndp has strongholds in

northern ontario yeah so why does it

they have strongholds in northern

manitoba which is also very rural

why because the ndp

probably serves their interests in some

kind of way is it because those people

are inherently ideologically liberal

have we have we now established that

it's more complicated no no we haven't

ruled okay

oh wait someone's telling me it's

because they have strong support from

the first nations is that true they have

strong support from the first nations

and a lot of other people is but is the

support from the first nations the

reason why they're popular there i

wouldn't say it's the reason i would say

that that's one of their their

strongholds people are telling me that

is the reason

but but there are other first nations

communities that will also vote strongly

liberal for example out in the thunder

bay region they do have liberal

strongholds out there right there's

strongholds in manitoba as well okay and

someone in my chat is they're saying

there's a lot of first nations in the

areas you just mentioned there are yes

there are and what is your point but

that's the reason the ndp gets support

are they not rural areas yes or no

that doesn't refer to what rule means

what the fuck do you think rural means

dude what is the definition of rural

you're getting it from the fucking first

nations they're not getting it from

rural canadians they get they get voted

that's like that's like saying that's

like saying listen that's like talking

about minorities voting for the

democrats what a stupid thing so

you think there aren't any rural

southerners yes and they both democrat

be foreign so the characteristic of

rural is also white hold on do you can

you read no no no i just i want to

understand what is the characteristic of

rural exactly does it mean white no it's

about the national question black people

have been excluded from the american

nation so they have entered into a

special relationship with the democrats

what does rule mean rule means

representing the rule part of the

canadian state high agriculture low

population no it's the rule part of the

canadian style

agricultural fuck please read mao please

read stalin's national question

population

read stalin's national question and

mouse on contradiction and you will

learn i've read both okay the national

question the national question is always

the primary contradiction and it cuts

across urban and rural that's the

primary so the first nations the first

nations are not part of the canadian

rule the rurality of the canadian state

because they're not part of the fucking

canadian polity you yourself know that

the canadian polity was created by white

settlers right so

so rural refers to white people just the

same no no not necessarily just the same

way as black people in south carolina

who do live rurally vote democrat and

have established royal strongholds

because they are not part of the reality

of the american state is there black

they're not part of the rural polity so

you're saying that no because there are

black people who live in rural areas and

that are part of but not as a mass as a

master of separate nations that's the

national question

democrats because they're a separate

nation as individuals they can be part

of the rural uh living in rural areas in

the south of the separate nations yes i

support the black belt thesis always

have you understand the first nations

are a different nation the first nations

are a different nation well the first

nations of the first nations like

they're a different nation than the rest

of canada the canadians first nations

because they signed treaties with canada

which enabled the uh

the annexation of rupert's land into the

dominion of canada that's completely

different

yeah but they're not apart they are not

the basis of the canadian state okay

first of all they have a relationship

with the canadian state based on a

treaty

first of all you're making the

assumption that first nations votes are

what elect like literally that is it

that is the division the reason that mps

uh

from the ndp get elected in rural

ontario is because they had all the

first nations that's what people are

telling me as if there are no other

votes that are collected from non-first

nations communities i didn't say that

but are they the reason why ndp's

are they a voting stronghold yes are

they the reason no there's other people

people are contradicting you and they're

telling me that they are the reason

all right well sure like there's a whole

lot of first nation support out in like

northern manitoba there's first nation

support out in northern ontario etc can

you give me examples significant

examples

but are these are these rural areas and

does the ndp get votes outside of the

first nations yes and yes

so what are you talking about are those

votes the reason it's in power or is it

because of the first nations

like you didn't even like how many votes

were they getting majority votes uh like

often i don't know because off the top

i'll explain this to you

i'm not i am not okay in a hillbilly in

a hillbilly town listen let me tell you

something in a hillbilly town

dude dude dude in a hillbilly town in

america the point is these are okay i

have to meet you i'm gonna meet you i'm

sick of you talking over me i'm just

gonna in a hillbilly town in the middle

of what fuck nowhere in america guess

what there's people who vote democrat

it's just that the democrats don't win

there now if those places were full of

the first nations equivalent in america

democrats might win but as long as you

have those people

the democrats don't win

there you go unmuted

i'm i'm i'm still not sure which point

is

like you're you're

everything that i bring up you're saying

well there's an exception because this

so now we're arguing about whether first

nations

wait wait because i varies you can you

know we're arguing about whether or not

i have to meet you again

he's muted again okay so sociologically

when you're talking about an urban rural

divide that is within a nation

urban rule divides and no one can hear

him i don't know he's still talking it

isn't crazy

wait till he realizes no one can hear

him okay he realizes no one can hear him

okay he's muted

so

the urban rural divide sociologically

is based within nations

okay so when you're talking about

differences between nations like quebec

the first nations and the canadian

nation or whatever you are not

talking about one urbanity one rurality

you are talking about

several that cut across nations right

the primary contradiction is always

national

when i ask you for rule and you tell me

about the fucking first nations you know

that's not what i fucking mean and then

you go oh do you just mean white people

it's dishonest no it's not because

they're white it's because of their

historical relationship with the

canadian state

yes majority are white rural canadians

as i'm defining it but that's not

because they're white it's because of

which you know you literally say this

canadians found it as a settler colony

of europeans and that has historically

been the case that's why they're the

basis of the canadian state

you wouldn't even disagree with that

so it's just dishonest when you don't

take into account these national

considerations simple as that

unmuted do you know what proportion

of

um

any of those federal writings that

indigenous people never mind just first

nations but indigenous people period

makeup

where

uh

i don't know let's say like uh

like let's say like nikki

nikki ashton's writing all right what

what do you mean writing

yeah the writing like the okay so you

call them districts we call them

writings right like this

okay

so uh

churchill manitoba right

yeah uh which is where say like nikki

ashton like is a well-known um

ndp member of parliament yeah okay

um are you aware of

what percentage of the voting populace

first nations communities make up no

okay are you also aware that one of the

largest first nations communities um

decided to break liberal in the previous

election that you want anyway

they didn't vote liberal in the liberal

one anyway

one of the largest first nations

communities in the in the writing um

what broke liberal like they said

publicly they're supporting liberal

but she ended up winning anyway is it as

simple as like first nations communities

vote ndp

no

wait the ndp is the liberal party no the

ndp new democrat party like the sort of

like less progressive they would be like

close to like they're liberals pocs and

our liberals

i mean sure in the sense so this is

intro liberal division

okay so it would be like the aocs yeah i

know it's intra-liberal division

i'm talking about they said they're

voting for the like the capital l

liberal party of canada like yeah and

and the the

broke ndp anyway so it's not as simple

as these uh first nations communities

just vote ndp it is because a liberal

party won anyway it's not a fucking

conservative party that works okay no

but

jesus the conservative party won you're

probably i think you're getting tripped

up on the distinction between like

liberal as like a

neoliberal like a

capitalist political liberal party

liberal as a political party the liberal

party

and that other the ndp

both of those parties both of those

parties i know they're both liberal

parties they both represent urban

liberal elites

sure if you want to say so all right um

but what i'm trying to say to you is

uh this

uh mp

ended up winning the writing regardless

of the fact that uh

um more than one of the first nations

declared that they were voting liberal

or that they supported the liberal party

officially right so so is is is is that

a feature of urban rural divide or is

that more a feature of um politic like

uh political lines within communities

because

is that our um preferences for parties

and rep for politics are more geographic

in nature than simply urban rural okay

so i've been trying to save you the

whole time

okay

and the fact that we've been talking

okay

trying to walk you through it kind of

shows you that it is more complicated

especially so it's not because i'll

explain why it's not okay i'll explain

why

would the

would the ndp be more likely to align

with the conservative party or the

liberal party when push came to shove go

ahead

the ndp is actually in line with the

conservative party on confidence votes

because they're in the opposition yeah

when push came to shove though would

they would they first come what does

push come to shove me then when they to

make like be in a coalition with who

would they prefer they said that they

will not engage in a coalition with

anybody if they had to be in a coalition

with anyone who this is the question

this is a question that has been like

existing in canadian politics for as

long as i've been alive they will not

engage in a coalition

if they had to would it be the

conservatives or the liberals

i'm

i'm telling you this is there's no point

who do they like more who do they like

more what are they who do they like more

yeah liberals like either of them who do

they like more they

they don't

i'm trying to fantasy they don't like

either of them hey who do they like more

i don't know because they okay you don't

know

when when when the ndp formed the

official opposition for the first time

right yeah um

they they actually voted along with the

conservatives the majority of the time

whether the opposition the official

opposition to the conservatives to the

conservatives yeah when the

conservatives foreign government and the

ndp was the official opposition they

actually were voting along with the

conservatives

a significant portion of the time

on what issues um i have to go back and

i mean everything maybe that's why

where the conservatives know everything

from everything from um budgets to

social welfare bills and so forth and

the conservatives were

anti-social welfare or pro uh they

so they reorganized some social welfare

programs

uh they cut the gst that is like um

uh there's like a federal tax that they

cut down were they neolibs or were they

protectionists like nixon

sorry the conservatives yeah

um they kind of swing between both like

depending on what the issues that would

explain why the new democratic party is

voting for some other policies but when

right now specifically right so what

were you asking me then what i'm asking

you is

is an engineer

who is more likely okay let me ask you a

question

who's more likely to swing ndp to

liberal or ndp to conservative or vice

versa there's literally been both yeah

there's been both what's more like

there's literally been no there's

literally been like mvp um ndp years who

have gone conservative and there have

been ndp i didn't ask you if that

there's been cases which is more

likely what is more likely i'm exciting

to you what's actually happened well

what's more prevalent i'm not denying

that i'm not denying a moose

a woman gave birth to a moose one day i

don't care

every weird thing happens in life tell

me what is more likely maybe i'll shit

out a moose tonight

maybe that will happen

what is more likely is it like this

okay so far it hasn't happened but i

tell you what has happened is that there

have been ndp errors that have gone

conservative and there's i don't care is

it a cause

i don't care i'm asking you is it

like there's been conservatives that

went republican i've explained this is

how a rational person or a normal person

responds okay so if i say

who is

who is more likely to vote for um the

democrats is it going to be a suburban

democrat sorry vote for um democrat is

it going to be a suburban republican

or is it going to be like a republican

truck driver or something and then

you're like well i know of truck drivers

who have voted for the democrats i don't

ask you if there's truck i'd ask you

which one's like more likely and clearly

the answer is it's the suburban

republican that's more likely to join

the lincoln project and swing democrat

so that's how you answer a question

now

is the ndp more like the liberals or the

conservatives well we can see that the

ndp has critiqued the liberals for not

being tough enough on vaccine mandates

so it seems like there's a very strong

binary division

along which all these different parties

are basing themselves off that simple

no

no because the ndp actually ran to the

right of the liberals and closer to a

conservative

policy mandate or a policy

platform

in the 2015 election

right the ndp were actually more

conservative than the liberals were on

what questions

on

everything from like

child care budgeting um social welfare

programs immigration

so those are those

were those like when you say child

welfare and shit are you saying like cut

it or increase it but

sorry what did the conservatives want to

cut or increase that although all of

them were promising some sort of like a

child uh benefit program right okay so

those are traditionally left policies

right

yes and so the conservatives are more

likely to liberals had the most the

liberals had essentially the most

progressive platform in 2015.

by left is standards like it so it

vacillates depending on um

like who's in charge of the party and

what they're uh you just said the ndp

are like aoc

generally yeah

so generally speaking

they would be more progressive on social

issues

economic issues

generally on okay general social issues

they have been

more on the

like progressive side

on economic issues they do kind of they

waver back and forth can i tell you

something

what's up this is something i got from

our first conversation

you are like the most untrustworthy

person to ask about it's not a matter of

fun trust you ask questions because i'll

go no you know what it is you ask

questions that have answers that aren't

simple

and when i try to explain to you how

complicated they are you get upset about

it life is simple in general no it isn't

i promise you if i okay okay tomorrow

i'm gonna spend 30 minutes looking all

this shit up and it's going to become

very simple

it's going to be like that simple just

simple answers

it's always a binary life is a binary

you can research the history of canadian

politics in half an hour more power too

if i spend half an hour on this shit i

will know everything

simple is that you'll find answers that

you want to find and then discard the

rest which is no i'll find conversation

talking to you makes it feel like

there's no reality out there it's all

just nuance and nothing's all the

trucker thing is not a big deal all the

twi on twitter they there's it's not a

bunch of hate it's just a bunch of

nuance oh i wasn't it's like you're just

gaslight it's like you're a living gas

lighter you're a gas lighter you invent

things that p you think people said and

then you argue with that instead does

any canadian want to simplify shit no

but no one in this conversation said any

of those things you said that does any

canadian want to come in here just

simplify the whole thing

because this is just all nuanced

mongering and it's a waste of time

are you asking me questions that don't

have simple answers and then you get

upset when i tell you what the answers

are no the answers are very simple and

if you were you don't even know what the

name of fucking provinces are what our

writing is are you going to tell me

anything simple listen

you can't your country is of 38 million

people like that and you want to you

have a country of less than 40 million

people you're not worth uh studying in

depth then anyway if you have any

curiosity or questions about it why

bother asking me

because i'm trying to i'm trying to

arrive at a point and you keep

obstructing it with your obtuse

because you know very well that people

in the new democratic party are more

like fucking liberals not conservatives

you just know that you know they're more

like the liberals that's why they win in

places over the liberals like that

fucking example you gave you can't just

admit that simple things if they're like

the liberals then why is it that why is

there this exception in that exception

is it for example that a liberal

can almost never get elected in alberta

but an ndp or can why is it likely that

the ndp will win the next albertan

election but not a liberal

why was bernie more likely to win over

some of these republicans oh i'm talking

about alberta alberta which is a heavily

conservative province and it's almost

all blue right now why will the ndp

likely win the next election

why why does bernie have a better chance

among trump voters

okay can

we where does where does bernie run and

win

bernie had a better chance among the

trump voters that doesn't change the

fact where did he run and win

he was way more popular among trump

voters

where where where geographically where

he didn't win but he got more of their

votes

in michigan michigan the midwest

okay texas texas

no

okay

well alberta's often been compared to

canada's texas so my question is why

would the ndp

send a very good chance of winning

because bernie's on environmental is the

what's the ndp's environmental views

for the most part they are like

sustainable energy okay and how are they

winning in alberta how are they winning

in alberta when alberta's based on oil

yeah

weird eh how does that work

i don't know you told me

who's voting for ndp in alberta is it

the city people

there's a lot of people voting for the

ndp in alberta

uh there are people that live in like um

uh

what's it called fort murray there are

people that are voting in edmonton that

are voting in calgary that are voting in

red deer that are going to end up voting

in the indy or the ndp like there's

people from all over the map

so it's edmonton and it's other city

people

um well i'm i'm naming like locations

right red deer is not like city red deer

it's decisively it's this

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the two metropolises in alberta are

calgary and edmonton pretty much right

and

the remainder of the martin the

remainder are towns the rest is gonna

tip it for those places are gonna tip it

for fucking

i mean did you know what they were

before you even mentioned them

yes

it

we talked about edmonton and calgary no

no but i just mentioned a few other

areas those other cities don't matter

okay

do you notice i'm trying to arrive at a

point throughout this whole thing and

you just keep i know that you're trying

to arrive at the point i don't know what

you're upset that i'm complicating it

but i'm trying to tell you it's not

you're you are every time i like try to

get out of school it's not as simple as

this

yeah that's what you're just trying to

overly fucking nuance monger because you

never want

yeah you you anticipate the point i'm

trying to make and then you needlessly

complicate it because you're like i

don't want you to make that point that

ndp is more like liberals

i'm just saying that it's not correct

okay interactive map of the 2021

federal elections in fact checking let's

check it out

god

don't want to waste all this fucking

time let's look at this but the liberals

won

and

so we got all these places

all right

what a fucking mess

it's all is

so who's the conservatives servers are

blue

draw conservatives

yeah

and we're going to go to alberta right

here

and by a long okay let's check calgary

so there's one place in calgary where

they voted

for ndp what are you looking at right

now you're looking at it you're looking

at a federal map yes

federal okay

do you know how many writings there are

in alberta it looks like this is

edmonton another place where the orange

and do you know how many

okay

orange is the new democrat so only in

edmonton they won there

uh federally federally i'm talking about

provincially alberta rule let's go to

band

f

wow these guys get shit on here paws

wow they get shit on here you're looking

at a federal wow they get shit on here

wow they get shit on your federal

election these are big margins every

single one i click there's all the

conservatives big margins then right now

you're looking at the wrong map

this is the federal map

i'm talking about the provincial

election

who gives the fuck when it's the federal

election that matters way more

in defining politics that's what i said

do you understand why the ndp will be

likely to win the next provincial

election that's what i said

okay but in the federal elections it

seems like all the rural people are

voting blue and all this and that

there's more proportion of city people

so we have some shit stains of the lip

shits here

uh a dotted stain go to calgary we got

another big shit stain of the liberals

and

what else this place these are more

close you know

provincial election the ndp got

something like 40

of the popular vote this was sorry in

2015 because they didn't win in

uh the previous election the uc the

united conservative party won but prior

to that right when the ndp won and

they're likely to win again they got

something like 40 of the popular vote

and like north of 50 seats so like the

overwhelming majority of seats right

like they want a majority

okay okay

so and at the time there was like

i want to see the map for that one

go pull up the map for that one someone

linked that one for that but they won

but they won over 50. gaslighting q at

it again but let's see the map for that

one go pull up the map for the 2015 uh i

don't know where to fucking find it and

can the guy who found this

seriously like somebody go google the

2015 election results for alberta

alberta

alberta 2015

provincial election map

okay

we see a map

and then who are the greens

the parties the wild rose parties so it

looks like i'm sorry you're right

my bad yeah in the provincial election

randomized parties

the wild rose got like

i want to say somewhere between like 18

and 20 seats or something like that the

conservative party is not even here

where's the conservative party no no the

conservative party because back then

they were called the the progressive

conservatives right

okay um

well they ended up split hold on they

ended up splitting up like between so

the pcs experienced like a party schism

at the time

and split into like the pcs and the wild

rose and then in the previous election

all of those parties recombined into the

united conservative party the ucp

so it's a difference so you're saying

the new democratic party won because the

conservatives split

no because they they took home they took

more votes than the combined amount of

both parties so both the wild rose and

the pcs didn't even come close to

beating the ndp in terms of their total

z count

nd so it wasn't because of this place

this one

and here

find edmonton and calgary are obviously

overwhelming for the new the new

democratic party

no shockers there what do you mean

obviously look at the federal map for

calgary and tell me how blue it is

i think there's like actually

significantly liberal compared to the

rest of the and it's much more closer

but but it's much closer are you fucking

kidding if you go to if you go to

alberto go to calgary i'll choose any

others

this is very close this is close

if if these guys combined they wouldn't

even win this is a minority no so it's

it's close to minority government i'm

telling you they won a majority in the

last in the in the election that they

actually won in 2015. yeah but you don't

see

the conservatives shit on everyone else

in calgary like they do in the urban in

the rural places now do you

what

you don't see them just getting shit on

like in the rural places now do you they

won 53 writings

okay what

how many

how many writings are there in

california

pop okay listen because ndp got more

than that all right i'm gonna tell you

that my simplified caveman shit is just

the truth in the cities they're gonna

vote more for these lib ships they 150

they won more than 50 writings which

means they won more than just the cities

who did

the ndp did in 2000 we're not talking

about that we're talking about the

fucking how many voted conservative in

fucking calgary in the federal election

yeah so um

the

yeah it's clear that these guys

it's clear the ndp won more rural areas

but the majority of rural areas went to

that fucking wild rose shit and the uh

the blue guys

what yeah look at the map are you

looking at the writing maps or just like

how big the writings are like are you

looking at the individual writings

because the ndp won more than 50 of them

out of i don't know just they weren't

just running they weren't just winning

in cities

okay but the majority of these fucking

writings went to wild rose

are not writings these these boxes or

whatever the fuck went to the blue and

the green

sure

those ndp areas had big towns in them

relatively big towns yeah it doesn't

surprise me

so here the rule the same urban rule

divide is there edmonton it's brown as

shit if that is true then why did they

get shellacked in the last election

why did they get what you're okay you're

saying it's okay you're saying there's

an urban rural divide right yeah so if

this if the same towns could break for

the ndp in one election and then break

for the conservatives in the next

like why why if they were liberal

leaning big towns why then did they just

go ahead and vote conservative in the

next election oh in the federal election

no in the provincial election what year

was that one

2019 2008

2019 yeah okay

2019 i'll i'll literally show it so

here's the united conservative map right

yeah okay

you look at this map

holy shit it is blue

dark blue

select like i told you and then i zoom

in on edmonton and all of a sudden it's

very tan i told you edmonton was a

liberal license okay and then i go to

calgary and look look what you know

what about all of the other writings

that voted for ndp in the previous like

the 2015 election that's one

conservative instead

how do you explain that

why would they be

if if they were liberal and urban why

would they for the most part because the

pc party prior to the reason why rural

areas voted for in power for almost as

long as i've been alive holy shit the

ndp the pcs were unchallenged in alberta

holy fuck it's such a waste of time

you have a very clear map where the city

people are voting more for the ndp and

everyone else is voting for the fucking

conservatives and then they voted

conservative the next election like they

had previous to two voted conservative

the next election

the same cities i'm looking at 2019

right now edmonton

you have way more proportion of new

democratic parties same with calgary

and for for where the conservatives do

win in calgary it's very light blue not

dark blue which means it's much closer

the the collections are much closer you

don't see these very dark blues like

here in the cities

so even when the conservatives do win in

calgary it's much less than the fucking

rural areas

calgary as i've said to you several

times calgary and edmonton are they

don't compose more than 50 writings

i don't care

why do the writings matter so what i'm

saying what i'm saying is your assertion

that it's the urban rule divide that's

responsible for the ndp even having a

chance at winning is not true because in

this and

okay so then how do you explain that

they lost all those votes in the next

election

and the fed this is the 2019 election so

this is the latest election right prior

to 2015 the pcs were pretty much

unchallenged by anybody this is the

fucking 2019 election i'm looking at

okay they they were they were winning i

know you're looking at 2019 i'm talking

about the entire history like of alberta

what do you mean the next election this

is the latest election

okay

so what next election

there's a there's another election

coming up that the ndp is likely to win

how do you know

because that's what the polls say

okay here's what someone's telling me

they won in 2015 because a lot of people

were disillusioned with the

conservatives the ndp proved they

weren't for shit and then in 2019

they went back to the conservatives but

when you look at the map urban leans

more to ndp than anywhere else

okay

so that's an urban rural divide

there are two

there are two urban areas that we've

talked about what about everywhere else

these are the most significant cities in

alberta but they don't compose more than

50 writings between them why does that

matter

what does that mean does that mean they

don't have enough populations they're

getting votes outside of the major urban

centers is what i'm trying to explain to

you

and you can just simply say yes because

that's what happened the ndp got rolled

in this election i

in 2015 i'm talking about 2019.

even when they got rolled the only

reason we're even talking about this in

the first place because i informed you

what happened in 2000

i know that in 2015 rural areas voted

for the fucking ndp so let's move past

here that's what i'm trying to say i

know that i never denied that okay and

that's what i did

in the next election what i did fucking

say

is that regardless of who regardless of

who wins the cities lean more toward the

ndp i know that and the rural areas lean

more conservative

okay

so there's an urban rural divide in

alberta

a politician

then they wouldn't be able to pick up

votes or win no that's not true there is

a general urban rule divide sometimes

they can go past it

but there's an urban rural divide the

fact that i'm arguing with you about

this is fucking stupid because you argue

about everything you can't simply say

okay i didn't know that like no i did

know because i looked at the fucking map

i looked at this map from 2015. you

could simply say hey you know what it's

cool i didn't know that good to know you

didn't know what i did know this i never

denied it i looked it up any of this

until i told you it was on my fucking

screen cue it was on my fucking screen

this whole time why was it on your

screen to begin with because i told you

about the quark that is albertan

elections no because then i told you q i

told you i told you

even in this fucking map

you see the majority of rural areas the

majority of them

are with that wild rose party and the

fucking progressive conservatives

no they're okay yes look at the map how

many how many look at this

how many writings are there in alberta

the majority of them could not have been

because it was a majority government

look at this fucking map on my screen

look at this map on my screen look at

this map on my screen

okay what map

on my stream look at it

uh hold up

okay uh

what do you mean

what do i see i see

ndp writings and i see

wildwell's writings

is there more green

in this map there is it is impossible

for there to be more green because they

want a majority like it seems to me like

you're discounting areas like um red

deer and love bridge etc red deer and

the left bridge are small etcetera

etcetera right these this is these are

urban there's also hold up

hold up you're also excited northern

sure

they're they're telling us

they're not metropolis says they're

outside the major or i know but they're

towns this is a big answer and then look

at and then look at northern alberta

northern alberta is divided and the

right here it's light new democratic

party i got it i got it i got it

on the right hand side and then in the

middle there's a fuck you finger right

sure so okay i think

okay remember when i said before i think

what you're looking at is like the size

of the uh the writings and assuming that

that means anything compared to the

number of writings remember i said that

and i'm looking at the screen right now

that's exactly what you're doing

yeah majority of

our rural areas

we're for the conservatives are they're

not still rural areas and i'm looking

right now i don't care yeah there are

rural areas not rural areas that voted

ndp yes or no yes but the majority did

not okay

but the majority did not but the

majority did not but the majority did

not but the majority did not therefore

there's an urban rule divide if if what

you're saying was true then there

wouldn't be any that's not true because

they're cons what kind of fucking

dialectics is that that's like saying if

there's a division between the

proletariat and the bourgeoisie then

there can be no proletarians who side

with the bourgeoisie

do we want to count the writings q the

majority of rural areas

leaned conservative

okay and there were many or rural areas

that didn't majority leading some of the

ones including some of the ones that are

in the lower left-hand corner of your

mouth the majority the majority

the majority lean conservative

medicine head is not okay all right

okay the majority medicine hat is

okay medicine hat is not like a major

urban center dude

so you're leaving this by saying there's

no urban rural divide

i'm living this by saying that

as i've said since the very beginning

it is more complicated than a simple

urban rural divide that's what i said

you literally don't say anything you

there's no reality behind anything i've

literally just said it's more

complicated than an urban rural divide

this is like someone when you ask them

who is stronger men are women you go oh

we're ronda rousey and shit

can you actually just answer a question

that's not what we're talking about

i'm a space alien i'm a space alien i'm

a space alien i'm a space alien who's

stronger men are women i'm a space alien

i want to know about the human species

who's stronger men or women why are we

talking about just answer can you answer

that question

of course you can't of course you can't

of course you can of course you can

listen because

because of ronda rousey right because of

ronda rousey men generally physically

stronger than women yes does that have

any bearing on the conversation we're

having right now fuck no because you

just can't answer simple questions you

beat around the bush try to make things

simple and they simply aren't and i've

explained okay listen every part of this

conversation like anthony and politics i

have led you there and then you've done

furious googling or your chat has told

you stuff which i assume because i'm

seeing your chat for the first time now

i'm seeing how fast it's moving right so

i'm assuming people are telling you

stuff but i'm leading you there in the

first place and then we end up arguing

about it because you can't just simply

say oh okay i didn't know that which one

what did i did not know what did i not

know

oh man you didn't even know what a

fucking writing was did i don't know

that's not though you didn't know about

the province

what the fuck are you talking about i

didn't know about quebec nationalism

shut the fuck up you liar i didn't know

about

majority of rural areas don't vote for

that party

sure you listen we're having this

conversation because i brought you here

in the first place and now you're just

arguing about it

you brought me here because i'm showing

you how i even hear in the first place

because you asked me about the urban

rural divide i said it's not as simple

as all that which and it turns out it is

it turns out it is turns out it is

surprising turns out it is simple as all

that turns out it is because you didn't

even know what the fuck left alberta was

until i brought this up you didn't know

what the left-hand side of my own ass is

it doesn't fucking matter anything

you're saying i i have no concerns about

yourself yeah kkk

you can name all these bum fuck places i

don't give a shit it has nothing to do

with anything okay i know you don't care

and i'm explaining to you yeah when you

say i don't care about the name of a

specific town in the middle of alberta

you didn't even know any of these places

existed until i explained to you that

they exist

i didn't know

hey i said to you that in areas like

northern ontario and northern alberta

etcetera they tend to vote ndp in

alberta they're they're poised to win

the next election and all like we've

been talking about all this stuff dude

your stupidity is so tragic it can make

someone cry it's so tragic three five

minutes after i bring it up then you

want to argue with me about it which

tells me that people are feeding you the

answers which is fine so i have to mute

him i have to meet he doesn't shut the

fuck up okay you could just simply say

yeah i'm just going to mute him

so

you seem to be confused what i do know

is that the urban world divide is the

fundamental contradiction of canadian

politics the fact that you have shown me

a map

where an urban otherwise urban party

made inroads among a minority or at

least

a significant minority of rural areas

does not change the overall tendency

that rural areas lean more conservative

and urban areas lean more

let's say liberal or

progressive whatever the fuck you want

to call it that fundamental point has

not been challenged now you've thrown at

me all of these names you didn't know

about the name existing before you

didn't know the name existed before that

has nothing to do with the fucking point

that was under his dispute at hand i

didn't even i could have not even known

what alberto was

and it still says nothing about the

level of my knowledge of the fundamental

contradiction

whether it was simple or not and that's

what we were fucking debating on it me

not knowing about lethbridge

has absolutely no bearing on the claim

that i made that the urban rural divide

is fundamental and how do i know it's

fundamental because it's a human

universal

i can look at a map of

cambodia and know that it's fundamental

i don't have to know anything about

cambodia's election districts or

products uh

provinces just like how marxist actually

will say the class struggle is the motor

of history so what you're doing is call

poppers uh positivistic or whatever uh

empiricism where you're saying how can

marxist profess knowledge over things

without empirically knowing the details

first

how can knowledge of that kind be

possible but the truth is is that our

knowledge of empirical reality is

structured in a fundamental way already

right

so you're trying to make it seem like

because i don't know the name of

provinces i can't know anything about

how this politics works that sounds like

it makes sense because if you don't know

the name of the promises how can you

know anything

because i know that the urban rule

divides a human universal which also

applies to canada

it's as simple as that

and now you're saying oh i led you here

and now you're shifting the goalpost no

i'm not my fucking point stands

simple as that

i can say anything about your shifting

goalposts

see when you do weird things like i

don't know talk in a high-pitched voice

what i'm saying to you like hey you

didn't really know about this stuff

before i mentioned it to you okay i'm

gonna meet you again to ask you a

question

this is the question

what exactly did i not know that was

relevant to the debate what exactly did

i not know that was relevant to the

debate go ahead

you didn't know about canadian politics

specifically what did i not know about

canadian politics you didn't you'd okay

so we talked about like conservative

versus i literally muted you and

addressed this argument i literally

needed you to address this argument you

just want to talk over me dude like

you're muting me because you don't want

me to talk over you and then you just

continue to talk right over me because

you want a monopoly

spit it out

what did i not know you asked me you

asked me about whether uh

canada and the towns in it are

conservative or liberal based on whether

they're

yeah

generally speaking right no you didn't

say generally speaking you just said

yeah i did because that's what it

implies there's exceptions to everything

yeah i muted him again

is it did i not imply generally speaking

when i accepted that there's exceptions

even among the democrats i told you

there's exceptions there's always

exceptions i'm looking for the general

rule

which is why it's fucking simple the

general rule

just like how men are stronger than

women generally yeah you have ronda

rousey generally men are stronger

same fucking thing

so what did i not know specifically that

there were exceptions you think i

couldn't infer that there were

exceptions when i even literally told

you there's even exceptions among the

democrats in a two-party fucking system

that's almost entirely divided defined

by an urban rule of divide of course

there's exceptions in everything there's

exceptions to anything some roses are

not red some marxists in the west have a

brain

those are all exceptions

go ahead oh sorry do you want me to talk

now based on what i just said and if you

make me repeat what i just said

you have conceded

dude

i'm telling you like what did i not know

what what did i not didn't know about

you didn't know how canadian politics

functions what you didn't know

specifically because i didn't know about

writings

no not because you just didn't know the

writings you didn't know how canadian

politics functions give me an example of

how i didn't know that

okay so you asked me about the urban

rural divide i said it's more

complicated than that i said and i said

i denied it's complicated and i turned

out to worry about to answer the

question i just want to keep talking

go ahead

you said that there's an urban rule

divide i said it's more complicated

there's actually geographies and

nationalism involved and you said but

that doesn't matter this is the class

and i said because

do you want me to like recap because

you're asking me

you're lying you're a fucking liar no

you're a liar

dude

you're a fucking liar i literally

fucking cited mao and stalin that the

national question was primary the

primary contradiction don't fucking lie

and say that i didn't address the

national realities which i fucking did

okay

but even then the urban rule divided

dude i said and then i said there are

areas especially in um atlantic and

uh maritime canada

where it actually cuts across those

divides

and i said oh yeah here's an interesting

quirk like check out alberta and this is

what happened in alberta and it still

didn't it still didn't and

it improved anything instead and i said

this is what happened in

northern ontario and northern manitoba

and you found exceptions it was the

first nations it wasn't the rules

stations don't form part of the rural

politics so basically like there's

basically a loophole around everything

that i say that's fuck don't give me

that fucking shit i have given you an

exact reason for everything you're

basically saying that first nations and

the people who vote ndp don't actually

constitute part of the they don't

sociologically they're not rural

canadians so theologically they're not

most sociologists would say this is the

canadian rural population why i said

world means white to you like no to any

sociologist hold on we q we're running

in fucking circles i literally said it's

not because they're white it's because

i'm muting him it's because it's the

relationship to the historical canadian

state finally q the whole fucking point

here as you keep saying well how's you

seem to have an argument for everything

i'm saying because you're wrong and i'm

right that's why i have an argument when

you give me an exception and you i seem

to have an example the fact is you can't

prove it's rule oh now you're saying the

frustrations aren't rule that's not a

stretch that's common sense okay my

general point has been vindicated

overall

rule goes conservative

urban

goes liberal

now there may be exceptions to that but

the general tendency remains true it's

that fucking simple at no point you're

saying oh you keep shifting the goal

person and keep finding loopholes

because you're not right q you're just

not right all the exceptions can be

explained because they're exceptions

that's how exceptions work the reason

why they deviate from the general norm

can be rationally explained that's not a

loophole it's justifying why there's a

contradiction in the first place and why

there's exceptions to the manifestation

of that contradiction

like like the reason that you have to

keep muting me right is because um

you keep saying the same thing and

ignoring everything no because because

i'm recapping what you're saying and you

don't like the fact that it started off

in an area that you weren't

knowledgeable on and i kept dragging you

into other areas where i said hey

there's a bit of an exception here and

this is what we're talking about i

didn't know the name of certain

provinces and and

writings brought that up because you

literally didn't know what writings and

what certain cities were the areas

who cares who cares

turns out i did know q i did know

everything

i did know everything

and that's what i'm saying i understand

you now like your need to be right on

everything is kind of like what drives

your personality okay why and and why is

this fundamentally

fundamentally i did know everything that

was relevant to the dispute

you didn't actually know shit until i

started explaining it to you what shit

did i not know q that there was an

exception in 2015 where some rural areas

went for the ndp oh the political

characteristics of this country until i

started explaining them to you

really like what political

characteristics

like the ndp was more like aoc and the

liberals were more like uh the democrats

generally sure yeah depends on what

elections yeah i didn't know all of

these details necessary dude

i'm i'm just reaching a point where i

don't care because this is now this has

been a conversation for the last several

hours you don't care and this is what

i'll say

this is you you don't know how to shut

up i'm you to do listen this is what he

doesn't understand

i may have not known all these fickle

the inessential details

but

what i did know as relevant to the

debate was that there was a simple urban

and rural division in canada

now does that division manifest itself

through the five parties that they have

yes