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sorry guys i can't believe i ended that

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190 viewers and i ended it wow

dude wow i ended with a fucking 190

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twitch fuck youtube

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hate youtube can we just chill on twitch

guys

i don't want to fucking do uh i don't

want to do youtube

you know maybe i should just end the

youtube one

fuck i'll leave it open but um i might

delete the youtube one after

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come on all right what did you guys

think how do you think i did okay right

i did kind of okay i mean

it wasn't a uh you know wasn't

beast mode cause he was polite but i

think it was okay

you know it was interesting conversation

what do you think

what do you think guys i think was

pretty based i think it was

informative and stuff you know is what

it is

i think you know you know what i'm

saying

obviously i'm not a you know complete

nonsense

i think i tried to state my case as

crystal clear as possible

and it was pretty clear is what it is

you know what i'm saying how's everybody

doing this twitch and i'm saying i love

twitch way better man

twitch i've just let's spam those

gorilla emotes what are the fucking

gorilla emotes neat added

need to add some fucking emotes where

are they

need to added those fucking gorilla

emotes on twitch special emotes on

twitch let me ask

let me ask the discord what's the

fucking emotes okay someone wants to

come on

worst player wants to come on and i'm

gonna bring him on

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sun gorilla sun gorillas if you're on

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on fuck i don't know why you can't see

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gorillas and sons gorillas and sons

not everyone can see them not everyone

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that one that went pretty pleasant that

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yeah guys we in this bitch you know what

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give me like two minutes okay

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uh what up saw pro left yeah guys get on

twitch twitch is so much better you know

what i'm saying twitch is so much

fucking better

honestly it's better honestly twitch is

better

obviously twitch is way better you know

i'm saying twitch is way way better

way way better okay

how is twitch better just curious

because it's like everything centralized

on obs

and the emotes are better and obs works

with it better youtube's so janky we

only do we do only have one mod

jake squadron you're like the only guy

on youtube i can't even

can barely see twitch is cringe

jennifer is holding out on youtube by

herself

trooping on only 40 people on the

youtube one right now

wow i'm gonna delete that youtube video

after

they're usually legs behind twitch guys

come on

you know what i'm saying i had a lot of

pent up energy

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see guys i'm not fucking crazy you know

what i'm saying if they're polite i'll

be polite you know what i'm saying if i

if they're polite i'll be polite

if they're polite i'll be polite you

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damn guys we lost uh

we had 200 viewers on youtube and it's

just out of the fucking way

you know what i'm saying fuck

you know what i'm saying but you know

what i'm saying right

we had like 200 viewers on youtube and

they're all gone now

fuck

you know i'm giving fuck we got 100 on

twitch right now we got 40 on youtube

you know what i'm saying

we had 300 total we hit 50 we had 60 on

twitch

and we had 190 on fucking uh

on youtube it's okay it's okay

gorillas strong together you know what

i'm saying

sons and gorillas in the chat who's in

the fucking queue

uh she's here okay someone

this person wanted to come on for a long

time so i'm gonna have them come on

where's player what's up hey yeah uh one

second

um hi um so i

um well you know we've talked within dms

and stuff

um i uh so as like i'll just

uh introduce myself sorry i'm a bit

nervous i'm not used to coming on twitch

stuff

but um i'm a destiny fan and a vosh fan

i um literally uh got introduced

through the vosh debate and um uh then i

uh heard that xander debated xanathal i

watched that one then i watched destiny

and i think the destiny one is what

truly got me interested in you mostly

because um

you know destiny was uh like uh like

destiny was obviously like i think you

obviously won

appreciate that bro appreciate that i

don't

think you won in the bosch one but

that's we don't need to argue about that

i'm not

interested in like uh that's okay it's

okay yeah

i wanna so i am you know i'm

a libertarian socialist and the label is

a little reductive but like that's how i

describe myself

um i watch the entirety of your logan

debate right now

and um i i don't i you

kind of lost me a bit on the and on in

the

latter section on the anti-imperialism

stuff

i i don't i i don't know if there's a

distinct

like there's a good enough distinction

you know between like

soviet imperialism and u.s imperialism

and i just i

i i'm open to being educated i i am

i'm not super well read on theory i i've

read the manifesto and that's it

so um you know i'm open you know

um i always want to learn about the

other side i can actually explain okay

so we're so when people talk about

soviet imperialism we have to divide it

into two categories

eastern bloc relations and afghanistan

okay uh he was very polite that the

logan guy but he wasn't able to answer

the question

why was romania able to leave if the

soviet union was

forcibly keeping everyone in the eastern

bloc didn't

didn't i'm not entirely um read on

survey history but like didn't romania

leave when

the eastern bloc collapsed did it leave

before the romanian left and it

caught uh cultivated relations i don't

know if actually

chad tell me did it leave the eastern

bloc formally but it out

it got close with america and it kind of

caught the soviet union

uh i know yugoslavia did that albania

but like that was

romania did it too or may needed it too

yeah

uh they wouldn't be able to soviet

union's economic interests

okay s like when like what the time

frame like

like uh the 60s i don't remember when

was it

1971 someone's saying in chat i think

i mean look this is uh 71 yeah

uh so uh i

i guess i don't know if that's

necessarily disproving the idea that uh

soviet imperialism is like uh

like just as bad as like because like

for example like uh several countries

have left the uh

american bloc like cuba used to be part

of the american bloc

before wait wait wait wait that's the

worst example you could have brought up

my friend

the only reason america didn't invade

cuba

was because of this this nuclear weapons

business

like it was they got the first time the

world got really close to nuclear war

was precisely over

cuba so it's a horrible example and wait

but like

that the cuban missile crisis happened

after the uh revolution actually

occurred

so like america was not going to be

tolerating that independent cuba dude it

was those nuclear weapons that

sealed the deal america was gonna retake

cuba dude they weren't gonna tolerate

that shit

okay okay um i mean yeah i mean uh i

okay uh so

what makes soviet imperialism better

than western imperialism or

anglo-imperialism or whatever

you want to come back it's not a matter

of better or worse it's qualitatively

different when you're referring to

soviet

imperialism you're referring to big

soviet geopolitical power i don't think

that's the same as imperialism

as it was being used to describe the

modern imperialism of the west i think

there's no comparison but

here's one way you can understand how

the soviet power is different from

western power

so soviet union was invaded by germany

with the help of many eastern european

countries

the soviet union conquered indeterminate

uh terror it was its border in the east

conquered eastern europe to conquer

germany the aggressor the initial

aggressor against its own motherland

yeah and based on this ancient almost

ancient rite of conquest

which is not because of aggression

soviet aggression but to defend itself

soviet union laid the foundations for

big

type of civilization on the basis not of

blanket

chauvinism and aggression against

outsiders

but in a war of survival a war of

survival

in the aftermath of this war the soviet

union occupied eastern europe then

independent governments formerly

independent governments

took the place of the soviet soldiers uh

in

being the occupying political power

and maybe people can say that all the

soviet union was ultimately the one in

charge well the soviet union

defeated the nazis uh and so obviously

the soviet union was the most powerful

force

within the whole of uh yeah and

yeah so it's not the same as saying that

the soviet union

was exercising wars of aggression in

chauvinistic

uh genocidal exterminationist

types of conquest against other

countries like america what business

does america have

for example in south america africa and

asia

countries that have no geographic

proximity to it

are not whatsoever in any type of uh

invasion of america war for america it's

like there's no

concrete civilizational connection

between america

the rest of these countries besides uh

besides

this blanket uh blanket

pirate-like chauvinism of america

thinking it can impose itself upon

everybody in a blanket

blanket manner well i agree that america

has no

say in what um south america i'm not

saying it has no say i'm saying

objectively speaking

there's no concrete civilizational

connection

unlike the soviet union in eastern

europe because what what cemented that

connection

was the invasion of the soviet union's

territories by nazi germany

so it was a historical outcome of war

the soviet union

defeated its enemy its adversary and

secured itself by ensuring

that no force from the west will ever be

able to use

any country in eastern europe as a

launching pad

for an invasion against the soviet union

it was securing itself

who invaded america didn't and america

didn't do anything defensively

now containment yeah america's policy of

uh america's uh imperialistic aggression

against

the peoples of the world had absolutely

nothing to do

with any type of war of survival or

concrete

self-defense there was many many stages

before you get to

north vietnam becoming communist and

taking

vietnam becoming communist to the red

dawn of the soviet paratroopers flying

out of helicopters into

there's so many steps right but as far

as

using eastern europe as the launching

pad for aggression against the soviet

union

it's one step you see the difference

yeah

i was wondering um what your specific

opinion on the

necessity for democracy is as well um in

social

for socialism to even like be

sustainable like

i i like etymology what you maybe think

of as democracy

i completely reject american democracy

muslims oh no no

yeah i agree that like bourgeois

to me democracy means rule of people

right

and rule of people does not only have to

express

itself within the framework of liberal

uh liberal uh

liberal uh statehood

so there's a special unique type of uh

soviet and chinese sorry can you

re-clarify what you mean by etymology

i'm not very

big here's the origin of words you know

okay

means the people oh right yeah

so what i i like democracy because it

signifies

consent from the people uh like

sorry i don't interrupt uh like like a

um

like a clear mandate to continue your

rule essentially

and so um i think that you know yeah

there's no way

there is no way to uh guarantee

uh consensus and rule in a like for

example

it's basically the same paradigm as

science we have uh

the scientific method to prove truth in

some kind of way right

prove factual truth and they apply the

same to politics

we must see what the people think

through this election

to prove that we have the people's

weak to prove we can be certain that we

have the consent of the people i think

this certainty is impossible

it's an impossible certainty there is no

absolute

guarantee of sovereignty this is why i

talk about mongol universality and i

say i agree with might is right mike is

right it is based on that it's not

the way in which a population the way in

which a state

proves itself to be for its population

a liberal says it does this through

direct elections of the

sovereign leader by the way it's not

even the true in america that this

direct election happens

china has elections robust local

indirect elections today china has

robust

electoral system

the way in which the chinese state

expresses

that it is for its people that it is a

people's republic

is that it has proven the sole reason

for its existence is to raise the

people's standard of living and it has

succeeded

in doing this i i disagree that um like

china has a proper democracy it has like

um

america you're right it doesn't but i

don't think this is the only type of

democracy

uh yeah there are certainly many ways to

do democracy

um like when you're talking about might

makes right so you're essentially saying

that like

uh so long as you have the power like

anything is permissible

or like what

to say that's permissible assumes i have

the ops

absolute uh hobby and sovereignty before

the fact

for me to say what does pubsee and

sovereignty mean listen

to me when you say it's permissible it

means you have the power

to make sure it's permissible or

impermissible like for example

let's say you walk into a bar and

there's a big guy

you know big fat guy uh and you say

it is not permissible for you to take a

sip of that whiskey

you're pretty much like prove it

that's how i think you know what i'm

saying like what do you mean it's not

permissible you can't just

you have to like show him why it's not

permissible it's not permissible because

if you do it

i'm going to slap you across the face

and you know

yeah it's like fighting words you know

what i mean

yeah yeah i think is this a good

way to like this this is like this can

like

lead i'm very bad about it yeah

yeah but like this can lead to so many

bad outcomes like uh

the view that i'm coming from is saying

those bad

outcomes are already being realized it's

just disguised to us

that is how the world is when america

says it's not permissible

it's not because everyone agrees with

america's principles it's because

america has the military to back it up

i don't think even the majority of

america agrees with what america does

now anymore to be honest

but what have you done to stop it uh

it's a slow process you know you have to

uh

you have to uh overthrow the

establishment it

like you guys like you're in america

right yeah i

i do i don't understand why like uh

you guys you guys have really cucked

like i don't like using the word

character but like

you're you have the guns to overthrow

the government you never do

um you were i think

i think even without guns even uh

without any guns

uh even without any guns

uh sorry i was reading a comment even

without any guns the source of all

power lies in the people lies yeah

the people are the most powerful thing

it's just that the people don't

only express their being or their

existence

only or even primarily through formal

elections

people express their power through the

actual force of their being

like for example infrared how does

infrared express its power did i

hold a vote and say how many of you guys

love infrared in the chat

no no you um you you made a big um like

impression on people by like screaming

but like

but like okay i'm gonna say i'm i'm here

by complete fluke

um i was not convinced by you during

your wash debate i

i just i watched yours i watched i

continued watching you essentially for

entertainment until the destiny debate

where i became orange

it's not all for you know agreeing yeah

anything i say i am here to entertain

you know i want people yeah of course

and that's how you grow a show that's

that's how the internet works of course

and everything

but like um i don't the thing is

okay i was i've been here a few days so

i'm aware of like the cpu

essay 2036 thing does that is that how

you want to build socialism in america

so like i want to know how you

go from liberalism to socialism

through your process like how will you

how will you but

this is so weird a lot of people

confront me with this question lots and

lots of people have i'm not saying

you're at fault or i blame you it's just

unfamiliar to me

this way of thinking like first you know

what you want to do for like

encompassing a scale of hundreds of

millions of people

then you go about finding out how you

want to do it

but to me this is all these things

encompass feedback loops

you require first of all to establish

contact with the people

you can't say i know what's best and

then you just

whoever doesn't listen to me is an idiot

you have to create a dialectic with the

people to know

to establish a real practice not the

fake practice lefties

real practice between our vision and the

reality

so just to clarify the most is necessary

is contact with the masses

dialectic between the masses between the

cause

between cause for the people and the

people in their material reality

their material being itself this is the

first thing socialists

must do establish contact with the

masses

know the people know the deeper acquire

deeper sense by which it is possible

to relate to not just the mind but the

heart of the people

is the first thing and and you think um

the so i don't uh this is gonna sound

uh strange to say uh but um does

your so ux you are you appear you appear

to be very well read you're definitely

more well read than me i admit that

but like will the people of america

understand what you're saying

like uh be like i'm i consider myself

like

i understand i'm not like educated in

marxian theory but i

am generally i generally understand like

marxist concepts

but like nope so you think that you can

convince people with

how you're currently speaking that's

what i'm saying because i think i think

i don't think there should be a high

barrier yeah i'm going to be like an

area here yeah i'm convincing many

people already

but they will also teach me something

and i will have to learn from them

and then it will clarify to me how to do

better at it and it's a

it's a practice right it's a dialect i

don't

i don't think i'm not saying i know it

all and the american people will simply

listen to me

i must learn from the people we all must

learn from the people not just

be teachers to the people but learn from

the people too

and um i was wondering also um what are

the issue is

with uh forming a block with say like

the democratic party because this is the

big thing because this is like how i i

see uh the things going

um i don't think that revolution is

necessarily possible currently in the

first world

i believe that it must come from the

developing world and our job as

communists in the first worlds to form a

uh a block within the democratic party

to ensure interventionism

um doesn't believe it or not

even in the uh so-called developing

world

it's more ambiguous it's more look at

bolivia was there a revolution i

love what happened in bolivia like

that's like that's literally what i want

that's

more of what i want communists do not

say we want

revolution first and then we create the

revolution

we just are at peace with the fact that

a revolution will be an inevitability

look

this is how i would explain it there is

an objective contradiction in reality

right

the development of this contradiction

some type of progressive force

will lead to the bay of pigs crisis

where someone's got a blink

we the progressive movement will say now

we are in a position

to defy the establishment or to initiate

a revolution

at that point revolutionaries become

decisive

you need the balls to seize the day this

is what lenin did in russia

the lenin specifically not just the

bolsheviks lenin specifically

he had he simply had the courage to own

up

to the opening of the possibility

revolution's necessity was disclosed to

lenin

it was the right time in the right place

uh

at a specific moment he didn't first

begin with

i want a revolution he established

concrete and material relationship

to the objective proletarian

proletarian class struggle first and you

must establish

a relationship to its material

development first

then will that lead to a revolution

yes probably it will i mean we know it

will we know it will

but we don't need to keep that to the

chase when a revolution becomes relevant

it will be relevant okay and

until then until then we just we attempt

to grow our movement and so what is it

what does that have

grow your movement but submit to the

contradiction in its objective

development

sorry i'm sorry i don't know what you

mean by that i'm very sorry

submit yourself to the forms of

expression being given

not just submit yourself the objective

forms of expression

being given to popular and proletarian

movements

not and then submit yourself objectively

but also

subjectively distill the essence of this

material phenomena

to uh to uh strengthen the form of

expression

so for example with jimmy dore i'm

marxist leninist but i

am with jimmy dore because he represents

objectively

objectively something in reality

it's my job as a marxist leninist to

prove i have some

worth to jimmy dore's audience

yeah did jimmy to actually shout you out

by the way what's that

i heard i heard you say once that jimmy

dore shouted you out is that true

actually

oh yeah yeah someone paid for us real

politics i think

shout out real politics thank you so

much for that man okay

and so like i i i get what you mean

um like you have to essentially like

grow your movement from like the

contradictions of uh

liberalism and stuff and you have to

point those out

listen the reason we're heideggerians is

because we have this attitude that

we are always already immersed

in the contradiction like we are already

in the thick of a political

contradiction

yeah i mean we just must clarify

uh we must clarify by scientific in the

marxist sense of scientific not the

modern sense

by scientific means we must clarify

uh we must clarify this contradiction

okay um i wanna okay so in that case

um for example uh on electoralism then

do you think that the election of joe

biden heightens the

presence of a contradiction between the

liberal order because now that

they don't have like a punching bag like

trump to blame all their problems on

you must realize that like liberals have

no excuse

and it's it's it means it's a means for

radicalization

i don't know i think um i think uh

i don't know if that's true because even

though biden is president now now the

liberals can say

we have to stand by biden or else

the threat of fascism is gonna come back

so it's never gonna end

and well uh the republican party uh

right now

is pretty split it might become

irrelevant eventually look at what

infrared's doing bite is the one with

power

but left and right we have people

accusing us of being scary fascists

just because we're outside of biden

uh yeah i mean i won't consider you guys

fascist um as others may

i believe that a lot of marxist learners

have a tendency to engage in a level of

reactionism that i'm not comfortable

with

and i believe that like certain marxist

communities tend to have a level of

reaction

for a second guys tweet bad empanada he

tweeted us out

no that's not me hold on all i know he

didn't say nothing i thought bad

empanada was saying some shit about us

who is that guy bad empanada

sorry i didn't mean to cut you off go on

no it's fine you got by the way

i can i'm looking at you guys can call

me a lib or a soy boy for this but i

think that like we're supposed to be

socialist we're supposed

to uphold all members of the working

class including like you know

black people uh trans people blah blah

blah blah all those people

and so it doesn't look good when there's

a level of reactionism present in

marxist lenin's movements

you want to know what i think yeah go on

um i think i have a problem with

rainbow intersectionality not lgbt

phobic

sense but this idea that a black

and trans and they're all fundamentally

different types of marginal struggles

but ultimately like interchangeable

right

yeah i have a problem with that because

there are some things

about these struggles more fundamental

than the others

so i like to think in maui's terms maybe

primary and secondary contradiction i

like to think in terms of materialistic

terms

primary contradiction is the class

struggle secondary contradiction

what the national element is what makes

it more difficult black to me

is not just about identity from my

experience in interaction with

black people wait what else what else is

it it is stalin

recognized the people of black peoples

in the united states to constitute a

separate

nation why

why would why would you because because

black people in america

have a qualitatively different history

different culture and different

traditions

than white america and

but there's there's different they're

not simply we're not simply all

cartesian liberal subjects and some have

black skin

some have white suits black people in

america

have their own tradition their own

substance their own uh yeah they have

their own

they have their own history their own

culture they are people they are a

people it's not simply individuals who

have different identity they are their

own separate people

and so you don't think they could

coexist you think no no they can they

can

but my view is that for example jimmy

dore

more progressives who are not all white

they're not all white

but they are coming from mainstream

american polity

must ally themselves with

anti-establishment forces from the black

community and they do exist

who independently represent their own

black community and you create a

concrete

alliance concrete alliance based on

mutual dialogue

mutual respect mutual building this is

the issue with bernie's movement lots of

people disagree with me about this it's

okay we can we can disagree about it

bernie people simply wanted to

capture the whole of black america but

they didn't understand that the

democratic party

got so many black voters because they

it's a matter of survival for black

america they're the only people they can

minimally maybe trust

and most probably don't even trust the

democrats but

the democrats have established a long

dialectic with black american community

manipula

of course they're manipulating them and

all that kind of stuff but it's a tit

for tat

it's not just the white democrats

controlling it all there is a black

community representatives

who are allied with the democrats so

progressive

americans for its jimmy dorety people

they must establish an alliance with

anti-establishment forces within

the black community who still represent

the independence of

this community

what about if those quote unquote and

the establishment uh

like movements uh have certain views

that we might not like

like they will they will there will be

there will be

all sorts of reactionary views among

antivirus

forces and we risk empowering those

movements

you have to have faith and you have to

risk it you have to risk it because

if you don't have independent faith in

your ability to reproduce

the progressive position for example on

lgbt and all that kind of stuff

outside of the establishment you don't

really believe in those things

if the only source of uh

if the only way you're identifying with

supporting lgbt peoples is through the

prevailing establishment

you don't you don't really independently

support them because if you

independently support them

within this vague anti-establishment

movement which there will be many

reactionary elements

you must seize hegemony and win the

people

win the people through giving

popular expression to

progressive cultural issues such as the

women's issue such as the

lgbt issue i am

i understand there's there's always a

level of risk with revolution in trying

to change like uh

the government and everything but like

the bolsheviks the bolsheviks

the bolsheviks were the bolsheviks the

majority they represented the big

russian peoples

of course well i mean they lost the one

election they had the mexicans went out

yes yes yes because they were allied

with the left socialist revolutionaries

so combined with the left socialist

revolutionaries who got the peasant

support

they won the majority the bolsheviks had

the majority of the urban proletariat

and they were allied with the left

socialist revolutionaries

so and so they were justified in their

coup

like i don't want to get

no it was a revolution they got they had

the majority of the people on their side

well like what was what happened to the

mensheviks like how do you justify that

like

the mensheviks the mensheviks sided with

the liberal bourgeoisie they said

the mensheviks were western chauvinists

the western message

the menshevik said the russian people

are too backward

and they're not civilized enough to have

socialism the bolshevik said no we

believe in

the russian people you can say they're

backward and all this kind of stuff

we still have faith in these people we

believe in these people

that's why the bosux sees power the

mensheviks dustbin of history

yeah uh s shouldn't lenin then

so so let in like lenin talks about

democracy he wasn't necessarily against

democracy lenin's democracy is not

liberal democracy

yeah i agree uh there's a term like

democratic centralism or something like

that where you essentially allow like a

broad uh

range of socialist movements but like

you don't allow capitalist movements to

like

be uh permittable i i it's so well

i don't want to get into the discussion

all i wanted to say was that

we can maybe if you want if you really

want to go down that path

no i'm not i'm not educated in that but

like yeah

all i want to say is that in the red

army there was peasants fighting and

those peasants were with the bolsheviks

but on a personal level they probably

had all sorts of uh

from a modern perspective backward views

you know and

but but but fundamentally it's not what

counts because the real fundamental

struggle

you know that's my problem with

intersectionality some struggles are

more fundamental than others

not simply more important but just more

objectively more fundamental

more fundamental first you secure this

fundamental struggle

only when you only on this new basis can

you

look any lgb any uh cultural struggle

that is waged

from the establishment it doesn't matter

it's completely opportunistic

where yes like this from the emptiest

there can be reactionaries in the

anti-establishment position

but fundamentally fundamentally

uh they're not fundamentally uh

fundamentally uh counter revolutionary

or something

they just need more time or something

right if you're from the establishment

and you're trying to

crucify the people because they're not

politically correct enough

you don't need more time you are

objectively the enemy of the people

but if people ordinary people have

reactionary views

and their anti-establishment they just

need more time and they need more

dialogue

and and whatever but fundamentally

they're the popular position

and so you okay so you must see must

risk allying with reactionary movements

to overthrow the liberal order and then

win out against those reactionary

movements after that

essentially is what you're saying not

necessarily as a movement but yes an

internal cultural struggle and we don't

know what that cultural struggle will be

by the way

we know we are for the women's equality

we are for the

dignity of the lgbt peoples but it will

take including trans people yeah yeah of

course and it will take but it will take

a form of expression

radically unfamiliar to us because it

will come from the soil of the people

okay and um so you will form a

uh quote-unquote government of action

which will allow

things like lgbt rights and everything

right and then uh within that government

of action

it will secure the dignity and humanity

of

uh this sexual minorities you're talking

about

i know you got into it a little bit with

that uh logan guy but then

what was the justification for the

persecution of uh homosexuality

it's not a matter of justification it's

a matter of understanding the historical

context

now we know in today's context it's

different it's bad but

to be fair it wasn't because they were

anti-gay bigots

it was because homosexuality

specifically and i forgot to mention

this too

it wasn't only associated with

aristocracy it was associated with

fascism

homosexuality well well it wasn't so

what didn't the soviet union

re-criminalize um

it's mistaken it's mistaken after the

october revolution

many laws were indiscriminately

abandoned

it's not but that's not because they

were positively

uh establishing gay rights it was

because they were just

blankly getting rid of those old czarist

laws

okay yeah and then and then uh

so start why would stalin then

recriminalize things then why would he

reintroduce not stalin personally but

but i know what you mean well yeah why

did they reintroduce that afterwards

there's two reasons there's actually the

main reason actually from historical

perspective i've talked to historians

about it

what they told me is it's very simple

they pragmatically needed the population

to rise

so that was the main probably the main

reason but a secondary cultural

explanation they were giving was that it

was associated at the time

with the corrupt aristocracy and wasn't

sufficiently distinguished from

pedestrian uh

and then it was also associated with

fascism uh

fascism so wait what was associated with

fascism

homosexuality it was how what yeah it's

bizarre it's bizarre but at that time in

the 30s

uh i guess i guess uh

it was because there was um

in the uh fascism had this kind of

homoerotic dimension in its beginning

stages both in german

yeah they were gay fascist and said

there was eren strom and everyone but

like that it wasn't

it wasn't like uh uh what's the word um

pushed by the fascist yeah yeah

according to the soviet ideologist

what's his name maxim gorky i think he

said

it's so horrible i'm going to say this

because it's in modern context is

disgusting to say but at the time he

said

uh the secret of fascism is

homosexuality

was his direct words i i think the

secret of fascism is

no it's just it's completely wrong but

this was kind of what they were thinking

at the time

okay and so we can say that that it's

probably bad that

that they really really respectively yes

retrospective okay

yeah i mean um i was always under the

impression that like

okay i'm not trying i i swear if i'm tr

if i'm sounding uh what's the word

uppity or anything i

that's not i i honestly i'm trying to

engage in good faith

okay um i always thought like socialism

was supposed to

we were supposed to lead by example rise

above um like the petty uh

like uh squibbles of liberalism and

fascism and we're supposed to like

form a like a proper international block

with everyone you know

and so when mls and stuff like

like you could you can see a lot of like

um you know reactionism you can you can

see i've seen it in so many uh

quote-unquote tanky communities look at

our place you'll find it in our discord

too

i've seen nas balls in your community

i've seen ice or not

looking at everything but i know there's

a lot of shit in our discord

it's not that ugly please i see black

sun posting and everything

i'm not i'm not like one guy and i'm not

gonna name who it is but

that's one okay yeah i'm not

i'm not trying i'm not trying to um like

uh slander your

community or anything listen in our

community

you will find offhand people like that

but ultimately we don't ban any we don't

it's very high buried entry to ban

banning is like

you have to say slurs like the n-word

and you have to be personally abusive to

people

uh like like uh you know like uh against

the transgender person and you're being

abusive toward them something like that

but

uh we ruled by dominance in our discord

marxist letting us rule by dominance in

our discord

they dominate opposing ideologies

and that's how we win hegemony we don't

have to ban them we just simply dominate

them

yeah i am i am i am totally f like i

like

proper progressive uh marxist leninism

um that has like actual genuine like

love for the people i am open to

i'm actually open to like i i just find

a lot of like

issues with their mouse that like puts

me off is is all

it's the ambiguity like i see our

discord as

vibes it's oscillations there's all

sorts of strange tendencies and

ambiguities but ultimately

the oscillation and the vibe is in the

correct

direction you know okay

um so okay let's not go with historical

examples then let's go with uh

china for example your big stands of

china um

what are the laws on lgbt people in

china is there a lot of oppression

reactions

i don't think there's anti-lgbt

sentiment or laws in china

i've heard they can't adopt children

they cannot marry you know which you

know it isn't isn't the end of the world

but like it's it's not

really like they're not really leading

by example well you know

when taiwan adopted uh same-sex marriage

in china they were congratulated so

their their might it's just a different

situation with the people

every situation every country is

different you know well there there are

governments of action

they should they should be able to push

but each country

and each people's sentiments and

attitudes and conditions are different

so china to my knowledge doesn't have a

big lgbt movement a really big one

like well like comparable because this

might not be it might not be culturally

um

it might be culturally repressed you

know are you watching this can you can

you come

and uh help me out here ezra's chinese

so he he'll he'll be able to say more

oh sure yeah i mean um just watching

this just come in the show if you're

watching

uh you know how um like we used to think

there were a lot

a lot fewer lgbt people than there are

now but in china there is no big

indication of repression against lgbt

it okay i mean what are the laws on the

books

you know like that's not enough to

listen you can't just say look at law oh

maybe bolster big blade will able to

help out

um you can't just say laws on the books

what is he saying

i can talk yeah come come bowser blade

come in the queue come in nikki i'm

going to bring you in

this is a chinese guy he'll be able to

talk to you about it okay

boss big blade come in the show q is he

watching

come in show cue

and show q you know more about it you

know

he knows more about it

okay he's here okay i'm dragging him up

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okay this guy is from china what's up

possibly hi

so this is i actually know a lgbtq

chinese comrade i'm a

contact for you right now how about that

we can hear from his opinion

uh sure and i'm not i'm i'm i'm i'm open

to learning about it like i'm not saying

like it doesn't exist yeah

uh okay i i'm gonna need some time to

talk to him

okay um i guess uh while you're here um

bolshevik played and you can perhaps

enlighten me a little bit about

like how like stuff in china actually is

because i have a name

in china yeah so what what are your

questions so my questions is um

do you do you think so my the big one is

the social credit

system mostly like uh please enlighten

me on the social credit system and how

that's a good thing that chatter is in

yeah it's fake because that's a

propaganda i have relatives that live in

china

many chinese people i know many times

people talk to them personally none of

them

have told me about the social criticism

when i asked about them about this quote

unquote like

uh orovillian evil totalitarian system

they laugh at all i think it's a joke so

really yeah i'm not located

it doesn't exist and okay the only thing

that i think is

think of is somewhat similar adopted

during the time when everyone was

yelling about social credit system

was a system that was uh that was around

that was around banking and criminal

record where you have a certain very

terrible criminal record let's say

terrorism or something

you're banned from taking travel on

skype rings because i mean come on

you won't you move on terrorists on

public transport right i mean like i've

seen i've seen something like if you

play too many video games minus 10

credit points or something

that's right that is pure bullshit

okay so i don't have

any i don't have any information offhand

disprove that so i will

take your word for it right now but i'm

going to look into it later but like i

mean if you really want to be into it

i don't think you should take any

investor narratives you should you

should just go to china for yourself

that would work so much better really do

i have to do that

i would work much better than taking

invest in narratives because after i

uh immigrated here to canada i realized

everything they say about china is pure

bullshit

this is a very large reason why i

converted to socialism because i

realized there's just so much fucking

fake news in the uh liberal media i'm

not kidding i mean i

i agree like the cia and the liberal

media over i'm sure they over exaggerate

china but that doesn't necessarily mean

there aren't colonels of truth in there

and there is absolutely no truth i i've

read so much

like shit from the cia or the western

side and i found absolutely no choosing

whatever the fuck they say

um like with the wu and all that stuff i

mean

fuck i know people from wuhan it's just

completely the opposite

like and seriously what's going on

xinjiang

all that stuff i have literally asked

vigorous myself

and they laughed it off and i asked him

about the whole

quran called supposedly genocide it's

yeah it's hilarious how like you talk to

actual chinese people

and it's laughing off uh yes it's

western propaganda

yeah i didn't i specifically did not

bring up the yugas because like i don't

have anything

like i i don't have anything to actually

go and see because you're going to like

because if i were to bring up something

if i were to bring you a source you're

going to say it's cia propaganda

i i don't like i don't like that like i

i don't know how okay

well what would here i need to shoot

i have two suggestions for you okay one

go to china for yourself or two you can

watch this guy on youtube his name is uh

okay how do i spell the guy's name give

me a moment here n-u-m-u-v-e-s

hang on one second let me write this

down um

n-u-m-u-v-e-s now

o-u-m n-u-m-n-m

oh by the way i'm kind of relaxed today

so my accent will be heavier and i'll

talk pretty fast

it's totally it's it's totally fine

you're doing you're doing perfectly fine

i can

thank you thank you usually i try to

control my accent but i'm very tired so

yeah sorry you know it's it's my fault i

can't

it's fine but whatever um so um you can

check this out

this is this guy out he traveled to

china and reported pretty unbiasedly

about what he

sees there and if you don't trust this

guy please just take a trip for yourself

there is nothing better

than checking it out for yourself yeah

um okay i might i might actually go to

china someday my

my family wants to go at some points

yeah if you really want to

you if i have the time maybe can you

take out a guide or take you on a guide

or something i don't know

okay um what's the status of

chinese democracy uh the chinese

democracy is very similar to

the soviet council of democracy you you

look for regional representatives which

you like for the

ritual for the representative above and

the layer by layer

isn't that too many layers like why not

just have it like one layer

you know one layer have those people

trying to relax

uh even america is not one layer though

or in any nature well it has a president

well yeah yeah it's essentially one

layer you know the uh the p

the people elect the president like

directly

and the and she gives the dummy called

the decision it's the charming

and the congress itself they make all

the decisions from the legislative

branch

yeah i'm saying that i'm saying it's bad

i'm saying the people of china should

elect the president of china you know it

shouldn't be

the executives appointing them or voting

for them i guess

wait wait hold on hold on they vote for

the legislative which then vote for

the general secretary which is xi

jinping yeah why is it

why do they need to be those layers why

can't the people of china

some people are trying to control okay

you realize how democracy works in

general right this is the people control

the legislative branch

not the executive branch and the

legislative control c

executive okay you get that right

yeah and she can be the executive figure

he doesn't have any legislative power

okay fine he had one single vote

uh any issue had one vote but like come

on isn't he house isn't he president for

life

like no no they just remove the term

limit that doesn't mean

he's president for life okay but like

oh by the way if you're really

interested congress is coming up in

10 days i believe you can check it out

for yourself and so and and the

the um the people who are running they

are not like appointed or

endorsed is there not like uh like like

the party does not like

it

like like at least like third parties

are allowed to run in america our third

party is allowed to run

parties yes china is a one-party state

yeah that's why it's a one-party state

and it's

changes more its policies america is a

two-party state

and its policies never change that's the

difference

by the way if you really want to promote

for independence that are not related to

any party at all

like yeah because there are a lot of

independents right now in the congress

yeah but do they have any actual power

and isn't that essentially just a

protest

there are more independent in the

chinese congress than there are more

percentage rise and number wise than the

american

congress yeah yeah yeah i agree

yeah that's probably and not to mention

that if we're looking at the

representative to voter rate uh

the sheer size of the chinese congress

making the technical most democratic uh

congress in the world looking at the

look at the commerce number to water

rate that is

okay uh why is there there not just like

a lot of variety then

why why why should there only be one

approved party why can't and uh

talking about talking about that give me

a moment here

uh

i noticed you have a juke shape uh flag

as your it's not

okay it's a little sword in the middle

it goes way back it goes straight back

okay guys we gotta wrap it up soon we

gotta wrap it up soon

all right okay i won't take up too much

of your time well currently there's a

communist party of china

and then there are others and there's a

united front and independence which is

the

society china association promoting

democracy china democratic league

uh national democratic constitution

association chinese president works

democratic party revolution community of

the chinese government

uh china jirgon park jingle party

taiwanese democratic self governance

league and

independent which currently make up for

a very large portion of the congress

so in reality there's there's a lot of

diversity in the chinese congress

and they got a lot and as hot have said

that they're a lot more efficient at

making good policy towards the people

and there is a very large satisfaction

of the people and the government

according to a harvard university that

is wait wait what do they how do they

know that

there is satisfaction according to a

harvard university okay uh

study okay the current chinese uh

citizen satisfaction rate with the

chinese government is over 95

uh that's honest

that's i don't know if i'll trust those

numbers because like i'm surely like

listen listen

what where's blair bolshevik blade yes

he's from china

yeah he knows people in china ezra tells

us the same thing

every person who's not partisan who i've

ever spoken to from china

talk to chinese people themselves the

people don't

have an issue with the government they

don't yeah exactly like why are you

playing work

well i'm saying i'm saying that like um

if they were to like

mouth like dissent against the

government with punishment is then

like remember policy you want to see

like you rather you write a policy that

you think is needed and you're giving

that policy

they're gonna have a discussion and vote

hey listen listen the issue is this

issue of responsibility

if you're gonna come out and say i wanna

overthrow the cpc

you be that's fighting words my friend

then it becomes carl schmidt hobsian war

for sovereignty and it's based on

violence then you can't complain

what happens you know what i'm saying

it's like exactly it's like good luck

trying to overthrow the cpc it has the

support of the chinese people but when

you say you are against the ccp

you have to take responsibility for an

alternative and that alternative

that alternative has to compete in in

the violence

and every alternative fails in china

there's no force

stronger than the chinese communist

party and yeah currently

there are a lot of alternatives that

have that has happened on this uh

land over the years as successful as the

current state of china

no autism yeah the issue of liberalism

like i said

is the issue of the blank check rights

you cannot simply say i want a blank

check of

voting for any party you must assume

responsibility for a determinate

alternative you cannot simply say i want

the right

you have to say what do you want what is

it you want you can't simply just say

i don't want to blank check like this is

how politics actually works in china

okay we don't have this celebrity show

bullshit

if you want something write a fucking

policy and make a complaint really this

is how it should be this is how politics

should be for every single other nation

argue about policy not which fucking

celebrity you want to see on as a

president

that is so dumb and it never works and

the reason they can focus on policy

is because china is already a people's

republic it is axiomatic if you want to

use that word in china

that the state must serve the well-being

of the chinese people

all right i want to bring up one more

point before uh

um it's the whole uh idea of how

billionaires are allowed like to hold

their wealth in china and how there's

like essentially like

a market in china where um like

you know like there are actual like uh

like

what's what makes it socialist at that

point

i i'm sorry i'm not being very uh

concrete but like

can you just can you just address the

only the billionaire's thing

yeah like there are billionaires in

china and like there are

essentially elites in china that have

like that are able to like lobby the

government

they do not have any political power at

all it's super misleading

uh that is very misleading yeah like

there is nothing

why are they allowed to hold their

wealth away from no no they're not

holding their wealth

they billionaires own state they're

billionaires because they own the shares

in their companies they're not allowed

to just sell their shares

and take that money in some island and

do whatever they want with it

yeah do we not a socialists want to

abolish private property listen listen

inch

no no this is a more complicated

conception this is the philippa question

yeah yeah

but regarding the issue of billionaires

in china from what i hear

they are debating about the thing about

billionaires but you can't fault the

chinese government

for not imposing limitations uh

on how much how much shares can people

have in companies because it's

unprecedented even for america and

everyone else so china's

having that debate internally just like

america and the west is having that

debate

there's nothing you know you can't fault

china for

uh for not limiting you know uh

if you're not limiting that not too much

there even talks in the west about like

giving equity to like

workers like uh i think corbyn talked

about i think uh

even aoc and sanders have if those yeah

if those ideas work

then they can gain traction in china and

it can happen you know why don't why

don't they do them now it doesn't

necessarily like stunt the growth of

china does it well

they know better the chinese people know

about it yeah so here

let me tell you something if you if you

really care about this topic you should

look into a recent policy in

where they plan to it's a very complex

plan to take over more control on the

private industry

and um well the details of the policy is

obviously not revealed for national

security reasons because you look at the

outline and it's very promising

if you really want to go deeper into

china you want to look into policies

from their official website that are

released

to have a better picture instead of just

saying well there's billionaires

therefore bad and not socialist

it's a step at a time the negation of a

negation not just that we're trying to

impose some kind of uh

ideal onto the material reality

just because we believe it should be

this way yeah yeah i i'm just i'm just

concerned that like

china is gonna always be like striving

towards this

perceived ideal like socialist state

that it'll never reach yeah i will say

chinese view i will try to those would

correct me if i'm wrong

china has a different view than western

eschatological

christianity in the chinese view it is

always a development and it's never

going to fully realize the ideal

but uh how this what this will look like

in a hundred years

is not obviously won't be the same as

today but yes it will always be

developing it will never reach a final

final stage of society

which isn't developing is that would you

agree with that bolstering

yes yes yes yes development top priority

and so do you hope that china might

become less authoritarian and more open

over time

maybe what do you mean by authoritarian

what do you mean yeah whatever

authoritarian

like uh it would give well authoritarian

says that it will give more power to the

actual like people what does that power

mean in power

uh you know like um uh equity and

businesses and um a reduction in like uh

you know uh the amount of income

inequality in china well you can look at

the current farming industry where

they're starting more communal farms

yeah it's it's kind of like a new

improvement of the people's

but was more about it but it's more

let's say fitting towards the current

status cool there are a lot of things

being done right now but you're just not

looking into them

knows about the wealth inequality

they're talking about it yeah it's

actually they're talking about it

yeah like they can't talk about it and

they're also talking with entrepreneurs

and all that stuff it's a

it's a very massive project and you have

to go a step at a time

instead of just saying well change this

and change that that never works

like like you have to be practical in

policy making at every single corner it

doesn't just some child's play where we

can enforce

anything wanting to the material reality

that i said before

okay i mean i i came in here to be like

educated

thank you thank you thank you you were

great and uh you know it's a it's a

it's a good convo um i will look more

into it maybe

i come on the show sometime in the

future and uh yeah like

request i'll send you sources if you oh

thank you very much yeah please do send

me sources because i do want to learn

more about it and if it turns out that

china is actually like a

properly socialist like proletarian

force then that's actually that's

brilliant that's amazing that like uh

the second most powerful country in the

world is like proper

like properly like like a good thing

it's because you know i'm i'm of the

opinion

right now that like america's probably a

better thing to prop up than china right

now but

maybe that can change you know and if it

turns out hey that's great

you know that's great yeah thank you for

being willing to be educated thank you

thank you

yeah we think people with open minds

like you know we need a lot more of

these

people okay i'm still a bosch fan but

we'll talk about that another time

okay it's all right i'll see you around

okay have a nice day um

all right uh see you later we'll swing

blade all right all right

oh wait fuck you left okay one sec

i'm checking something out

if anyone wants to come on again

if you want to come come in our internal

chat if anyone's watching

showrunners you don't you don't have to

ask to come on

but you guys know that already um

uh i'm just reading some bullshit

reading some bullshit

um pogba do i got any dms

nope no dms okay sorry guys i was just

reading some dms

and then i got some dms here

nice and i got another friend request

from someone named lily i accept all

friend requests

i got to stop doing that all right guys

let's see what else we got going on dude

i read whatever said i accept all friend

requests i got like 10 people and

guys no no no i'm not accepting anymore

you guys just bombarded me

bombarded me with those friend requests

not gonna happen

not yet i have a question about your

views on normative claims

i don't want to make it too

philosophical sure

might make ride get in the show cue

dude you guys are all fucking added me

adding me

stop adding me guys i can't take it all

start on myspace page fuck no

all right mike mcgride is here what up

oh hey what's up um

all right let me talk the audio first of

the stream

and um for sure yeah so basically

uh i watched your whole debate with um

what eyeliner do you use i don't fucking

use eyeliner okay

stop slandering me okay sorry go ahead

yeah i watched your debate with logan

and um

i was a little bit confused about uh how

you treated his

some of his questions on like oh are you

okay with this or that because it seems

like you uh

continue to go in like a sort of a

tangent about like how you don't want to

make normative claims

and um yeah that's not really mature i

understand i understand your views on

that like i understand why you're saying

that but um

there's also there's also another point

in the debate where he was asking about

i think

trans rights i think it was and you said

uh

you um you flipped the question around

and you said okay are you asking about

my intuitive sense

on trans rights and you said you were

personally disgusted but when it came to

like imperialism

i think i'm not disgusted what

no i mean i'm unlike the fucking the way

they're treated so i'm not trying to

i'm not trying to like i'm not trusting

i'm not trying to like accuse you of

anything

but when it came to like imperialism he

i think he repeatedly like asked if

like oh is this okay or that okay and

also like putin and how he treats

the lgbt community it didn't seem like

you were willing to

just um i mean i'm sure you were willing

but i don't think you understood that he

was asking about your intuitive sense

and not like

not asking to make like a universal

normative claim okay i don't know

okay what is my intuitive what do i

think intuitively about the chechen war

um i think i mean i'm not personally

asking but i think you could have made a

lot more progress if you just

if you took it from that angle instead

of i think i

it was good that i clarified

philosophically because i think that's

an error a lot of people make

you know yeah i mean

i agree with that but on the other hand

you also talk about how like people like

destiny and vos they never appeal to

like people's common sense

but i think i think i i think

intellectual common sense and people's

common sense are two different things

you know intellectual common sense is

this kind of

assumption of making universal normative

claims

you think so maybe uh i'm not really

sure about yeah like

we combine crazy uh

incomprehensible theory fuck heidegger

de las and all those crazy people

with very vulgar popular attitude you

know

so it's dialectics sorry go ahead

but i mean you don't think that maybe

like the common people feel some sort of

you know like initial disgust at like

you know things like you know violence

and maybe things that have

never occurred before the cultural

revolution and shit like that

who does people participating in the

cultural revolution

it has a different meaning to them it

has a different meaning to them

people outsiders might be frightened by

it but

that's because they're not adequately

familiar with it

okay so i mean

i i feel like when you're dressing like

an outsider you could just say

okay i mean yeah on an intuitive level

like

i understand why you wouldn't find it

appealing but then appeal to like

something like maybe historicalness i

like to work with intuitions you know i

always think intuitions are correct

ultimately it's just that sometimes

they're not adequately clarified

like people are intuitively scared of

communism

the intuition is correct it's just that

they

blame communism for the wrong thing

they're blaming the wrong thing

communism but the intuition is correct

that association they're drawing in

their head has meaning

you know yeah i mean i agree with that

for them

i i guess i don't know where i'm going

is your first time coming on call on a

stream

yeah yeah yeah you're doing fine man

don't worry i i can see your lo you

sound a little bit nervous

but not too much but it's okay man

i mean honestly like this is like the

first time i'm like doing yeah i

just i remember this many people the

first time i ever did something like

this

i was just looking at the chat and i was

like oh my god what do they think of me

holy shit i'm not even looking at the

chat good good

smarter than that good

yeah you're doing fine man um well you

know i i just like okay going back to

logan actually i just think he was

pathologically throughout the whole

debate you had i think he had some kind

of like suspicion that you were like

secretly enjoying like these kinds of

atrocities especially when you brought

up

um genghis khan and stuff like that yeah

i think

i think i don't think he really changed

his um but i don't that's okay that's

okay but i don't think genghis khan

is only relevant because of the

ugliness of war i think genghis khan is

relevant because he's the

i'm saying you could have just quelled

um logan's concerns about

you know your just your personal views

on um

he's he's i'm sorry you're into your

intuitive sense of that

assumptions about me but

if they can justify those assumptions is

a different question

right but i feel like i feel as if this

chat was um

maybe i'm wrong i'm not i don't know

this for sure but i'm not sure how many

of his fans might have been converted

but they have a big history of hostility

against us so there's no converting

his chat but at least no one can now say

that all i do is yell right right

yeah i mean yeah that's true you know

they all the thing that they say now

is that i just say a bunch of

meaningless word salad that's their cope

they have different cults you know like

the first cope is that i just yelled

over vosh

and i didn't let him speak and the

second cope is that i just say word

salad and nothing i say has any meaning

whatsoever and i think

they're both copes at the fact that i am

coming from a new perspective they're

just not familiar with

and infrared is rising and we are a new

trend and we are a new

thing on uh on the internet but i i

think you

i think you could have just um what do

you call it

i think there was a lot of fear coming

from logan and his fans

in general that i think you could have

just um completely subverted

by yeah just saying like i'm not i don't

secretly enjoy these

but to what extent would subverting that

fear

cripple our tremendous strength and

power

feeling of strength and power that my

chat has you know

because some will inevitably fear us but

my people the gorillas in the chat

who are here right now they they don't

feel

fear they feel strength and power and

might

oh yeah yeah i know i know it's like

it's almost insignificant but i just

can't help but see this like a tiny tiny

missed opportunity as i'm saying yeah

i don't know i mean um i feel like i'm

ultimately accountable to my

audience my own audience you know before

i'm accountable to voters i'm

accountable to my own audience you know

yeah that's free all right i i basically

said all i had to say okay thanks for

having me thank you for coming on thank

you appreciate it

i'm here to learn mouse

should we it's up to you guys should we

drag up mouse henry alex should we

do you guys want to just um what does he

want what did he say i want to learn

about better ways of reaching

blue-collar trump-supporting america

using dialectics that sounds and sounds

fair

mouse first of all where you from bro

like what community from me

yeah um i uh originally

i'd considered myself like a soaked den

um back in 2016. that's my

streamer community from dgg uh

well i saw your watch debate but i hated

raj um i've always hated raj

so you know um i wouldn't really say i

came to you from a community i just um

because i don't know how i saw that

yeah yeah destiny uh i've never liked

this neither to be quite honest oh yeah

interesting

oh okay so um i'm from the south and

i've um

lived here in the south uh my whole life

um from texas virginia mississippi

and um i've always been pretty liberal

uh

you know always sort of lived in the

angular box

and uh anytime you mention

uh a lot of ideas that liberals like

hold in high regards to um

trump people for example um they'll uh

slander it as socialists yeah um like

especially like my father my father is

very much um

against anything could i ask

your his background

yeah he's uh i mean he didn't graduate

high school he's

about to stereotypical blue collar as he

gets i worked for a little

boat captain uh carpentry yeah that's it

you you completely uh you got me like

you completely uh

clarified it sorry go on

yeah and um i just have a very hard time

like reaching out to

these people and you know these are the

people that you would think

yeah you know theoretically if you make

the best art

you know people try to make the best

arguments and none of them really

seem to work you know there's no so like

a lot of the messages that like um

dialectics is a funny word it's kind of

an intimidating word

in this case we're dealing with a simple

issue of appearance

and essence now this is going to sound

even more

you know incomprehensible

but i'll make sense of it don't worry

it's what is the appearance of socialism

versus the essence of socialism

in essence the way you win people over

to socialism

first you do what a socialist does

you serve the people don't worry about

the labels don't worry about the

appearance

serve the people serve the people

give expression to the interests

of people who share the class background

as

your father and distill

the essence of their position put you

put into words their position in a way

that is better than the way they're

doing it

make sense of reality in a way that's

better than the way they're doing it

then when they're saying how are you

this consistent where are you coming

from

then you can say i'm not saying in order

but then you can say

i'm a socialist this is what socialism

is

first you have to give new sense and new

meaning to the word socialism

that's how you redeem this word you

don't

first have the idea and then you make

people agree with the idea because

ultimately people are more familiar with

the us propaganda cold war propaganda

whatever

against socialism than they are with you

but if you become more familiar to them

for example

concretely on the basis of concretely

serving the people and that does not

mean

acts of charity it also means

speaking to them making sense of the

world in a way that makes sense to them

um if you can do this

uh that will make you more familiar

that will make your socialism more

powerful and more familiar to them

than the all the dumb things that

they've learned about socialism

they'll read online this is what

socialism means but then they'll say

can i make up a name for your mouse

they'll say mouse

but i know mouse and mouse is a

socialist

so how come mouse is a socialist and

it's so different from these

supposed socialism i'm learning online

so uh basically just setting a good

example i think so

i think so

i don't really know if i've anything uh

specific i want to talk

about beyond that um i did uh

i've been following your channel for

about like a a week now and i found like

um

the way you talk to be very similar to

like the way my father talks for example

so

i just wish that there were like more

people who kind of tried to put things

uh because most a lot of like socialists

get like um they come off as very like

you say

uh like academic or something

and like my father's the type of person

who would um who like

for example believes like all

universities do is um

you know spread liberal propaganda that

kind of thing he's right in a sense

yeah i mean no yeah i mean he's right in

the sense but like it's

and it just makes like every like

outside like look really bad

because um you know i'm i understand

even though i'm like you know even

though we're all like completely against

trump there's like

you know reasons why trust me

yeah yeah i get it you know um here's

what i think mouse

i don't really know you but you i think

people like you are the future not these

big city

graduate students these brooklyn dsa

people

people like you who are closer to the

people

and understand these things because

believe it or not a lot of these other

people

they just don't get what you get you

know like

they consider people in your community

and maybe your fam

i don't want to get too personal but you

know people you know

just to be completely deplorables know

anything and um

not only that but they have no

familiarity with them no familiarity

with them

so regardless of what your current views

are right now

um your generation people like you

who i think are real represent the real

people

real american people i think you are the

future of socialism in this country

people like you thank you that's

a nice compliment appreciate it thank

you thank you so much for coming on

mouse it's really a pleasure

uh yeah okay uh is there anything else

um i don't think so i mean i think um

your message was pretty straightforward

easy to digest

thank you appreciate it appreciate it

thank you

all right okay

that was a nice conversation guys

beautiful conversation that's what i

love to

hear i love to hear things like that you

know i love to hear things like that

yeah it was it was a very uh nice

conversation

living living in the south too um and

also talking with a lot of a lot of

conservatives and a lot of trump people

um i feel like you you can learn you can

learn a whole lot

from just uh being around them and

understanding them

you can learn a lot

hello what up jorge

so can you believe my bad luck so

we started this with about 200 youtube

views and 60 twitch views and then i

accidentally ended the stream instead of

exiting the call

with that guy and

they ended the youtube stream and now

the youtube's about 80 and

twitch is about a hundred can you

believe that

yeah yeah errors happens errors happens

i think we might just do that we might

just do that we might just make a video

of that it was a nice conversation

um sorry

i got all these notifications all your

friend requests are denied

one by one i'm kidding and remember okay

romano

jesus

too many friend requests like do i have

to ex

they're always going to show up as

notifications unless i do something

about them

it's okay this last comment was super

bass tanky pill

yeah how do i call through the discord

add me i'm not just don't add me guys

don't fucking add me

there's too many people trying to add me

um

you know

uh

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tonight's been like a very wholesome

night you know it's all it's all been

very uh very very chill but also like

very productive very

very fun it's been like a really

wholesome night see guys it's not always

going to be violence

it's not always going to be violence but

it was a battle

battle of the heart what i mean

battle of yeah

yeah for sure for sure now everyone

should know that the problem is not us

yeah right

tell me about it tell me about it

isn't us i still have logan's streaming

i still have fucking logos

what the fuck dude

you know i remember an interview

that that a very list of the baby

journalists from the bbc keep to nicolas

i don't know why the guy remembers me a

lot to a bbc journalist

for example these

what was the price of of cheese

the country and nicolas maduro says

the price of cheese depends in direction

and they use the bbc uses that to say

yes nicolas maduro does not know what is

the price of cheese

yeah man that's spot on that's spot on

totally spot on cp usa

2036

there's so many chats on banned from i

think on twitch

except destiny's should we troll destiny

is not getting there

um oh it's a notification

great gaddafi taking collins

what you want to say gaddafi

great gaddafi sauce spice it up don't

worry you chill we're not done yet i'm

gonna spice it up

give me a second i just been standing on

you know what i need i need props like i

need to buy like plastic swords and shit

you know

i need props esoteric sexuality shit

should we let god fiance talk about

esoteric sexuality

i think so you don't think so

what did you say yeah that's what i said

okay okay then we won't do it

that's yeah that sounds very ambiguous

i'm not really sure

wait what is it what is museum

what the fuck is this name mousey on

look at the channel the discord channel

what does that mean

what where which channel is it mousey on

look up

it's called mausean oh no

that's a very uh text channel for

sharing

books and texts probably should have a

better name what does that mean

yeah maybe it's from the uh greek

it's a oh it's a library in alexandria

let's just say it's a live library yeah

that's maybe better

i just put something out of my ass

library

library and then just share books here

right there we go

oh he called it library

sdl's upload of his debate

isn't somewhat irresponsible to platform

this dude

yeah dude yeah it's kind of

irresponsible

isn't it too bad great gaddafi maybe

just railing against liberalism

should i bring him on

you know maybe maybe it'll be good

content maybe it'll be interesting

let's put gaddafi on trial

all right gaddafi you're on trial for

the crime are you

shit posting up discord now i am shit

posting on the discord

invest chats you're always gaddafi

what's your ethnicity

i'm a mexican really

yeah yeah yeah nice

what up bro yeah yeah yeah i just wanted

to rail off of uh

what that anarchist guy was saying

which one oh the guy uh yeah the gamer

guy

whatever logan careful now don't say

nothing

i'm not gonna say nothing

all right so basically when i'm going

off is uh

now there's a very rigid view of

sexuality here in the west

you know what i mean yeah i suppose

yeah they put in like categories and

stuff like that and there's a thing

in leftist circles they always think

that you know these homosexuals these uh

transsexuals they're always going to be

the most uh

what's it called most oppressed

therefore

the most revolutionary the most uh the

most going towards us you know what i

mean

okay but at the same time

why are there fascist fanboys why are

there trans phrasalists you know

getting a little bit spicy you know are

we

yeah yeah yeah all right so what i'm

thinking right

at the same time as the uh the factors

were taking power

not not not taking power they were out

in the streets right yeah

it's weimar germany it's berlin it's the

sex capital of the world there's so much

gay sex going on there's so much

lesbianism going on there's so much

uh all that all that stuff that

conservatives don't like

at the same time these uh these nazis

right

they're the street gang of uh

leather-bound thugs

and they're having sex with other men as

well but at the same time they're

burning up all the books about sexuality

yeah i mean yeah i mean out here in the

west man there is this contradiction

right

there's this contradiction between these

realities

you know i agree i actually agree i

agree that there is

100 so i'm thinking right

there's this primitive sense of us you

know

this the sense that we need to be

conquering something right i don't know

if i'm getting like

chauvinistic here you know am i getting

chauvinistic

not yet but i remember okay there's this

like primal sense this primal urge we

have but at the same time there is this

you know wanting of intimacy you feel me

okay i'm gonna kick you out bye-bye

okay come on you gotta be you gotta be

honest

you you want love but at the same time

you know you want love you know

all right gaddafi thank you for coming

on uh

this is going somewhere i don't think

that we need to be going some

this place guys conquest is up with the

mongol gorilla horde you don't gotta you

know

what are you doing are you talking about

i'm reading lemonade in his uh

sperm paragraphs you know dude you don't

have to put it all in this dude

psychoanalysis was a mistake in a sense

because it taught people this idea

they can just throw everything on the

surface like like

things like for example if i eat if i'm

eating

a sandwich do i need to be thinking

about this shit

that i want to take

what i'll think about when i digest it

no we're just eating a sandwich dude i'm

not eating shit

shit i think a better comparison would

be like you're eating the sandwich

you're thinking

of all uh the grain that's in the bread

or the

the meat that's in it no i don't think

so

i think there's no no i think i'm going

back to the origins you put an output in

private in public

and you getting a little bit too private

my friend

i don't know man i think i think that's

one that's what i was trying to say

this is very private the other side is

real don't overthink

we are apes exactly they're very private

things it's a

very private goings-on right

but at the same time i want to make it

so public when i talk about all the all

the sacks were happening supposedly

let's dial it back gaddafi

all right all right i just wanted to

talk about uh this weird

this very weird notions that we have in

the west

okay bye-bye yeah yeah all right

all right

i try to hold a straight face during

like some of the stranger

conversations but it's hard

wtf was that dude i don't fucking know

all right let's see

let's see

let's see i busted to this

fuck you talking about i want to let's

collab with some people let's collab

with twitch streamers

is there twitch streamers will collab

with us right now

no she's offline only the only person

i'm following now is destiny

we need to we need to seek other

communities collab with dark souls

streamers i need a better pc

i need a better pc i feel like kaz

always sees the

my worst comments who are you

debate

wow whoa

what are we going to debate about though

what are we going to debate about

decline of capitalism

can i ask where the idea of a nation

fits your world view

it's tough are you for authoritarianism

and it's a false dichotomy

china is very libertarian and

authoritarian at the same time so it's

false dichotomy

uh

maybe dude hassan

no dude it's not gonna happen it's

we're gonna go guys our heads way over

our heads guys

way over our heads it's way over our

heads and i'm saying

way over our heads like how come our

communities divided

90 viewers and 70 viewers on twitch you

got to go to bed bye bye agent of chaos

isn't friday supposed to be high day

hype friday or what yeah about your end

of the stream

yeah i know dude fucking god

fuck

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collab with finnish bolshevik yeah but

we want to have a fun collab not just an

informative one we just we just did all

that informative shit now it's time to

have some fun

join caleb's stream no dude i want to

prepare for that

um let's look on

twitch let's look on twitch

let's look on twitch um

hmm

we're just gonna find some shit on

twitch

oh my god infrared university

collab with xqc could we take over xqc's

chat

collab with what okay so which parts

would be more authoritarian on

dude it's a false dichotomy there's

nothing essential

or inessential about authoritarianism

it's like

a state must be strong to allow

to know when to let go you know

we have a constitution china has a a

constitution but constitutions aren't

sacred

you know they're not sacred how's do you

like minor threat i don't know what that

is

oh guys the the horde

is incubating it's incubating

we got to direct this energy somewhere

we're incubating you know what i'm

saying we're incubating

collide with live posting who's that

she's live right now

live posting nope not live now

not live now pokemon

oh man all these streamers suck

man you know what i'm saying

collaboration i will

bring them on what is an

anti-revolutionary fetish

not talking about that should we bother

destiny

he's playing modern warfare

dude who's on twitch even

peterson

here's what we're gonna do guys

uh

oh fuck skippy the bear where he at

bad empanada

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all right let me look through my dms

[Music]

again

um

all the eu people are sleeping i can't

contact them

hakeem collab hakeem probably looks at a

stream he's like this guy's a dumbass

what a fucking idiot that's okay i

forgive him

there's nothing wrong with him he's just

more mature i guess

um fuck

fosh is live let's see what he's doing

we're doing some scouting guys let's do

some scouting

doing some scouting

i thought it was like okay it's a split

vote now here's the surprise guest

destiny the guy you just very publicly

argued with

um you know um

but um well there's a cynical and a

non-cynical way of

interpreting that result the non-cynical

way is that destiny watched because he

was interested he felt that i performed

better or you know well or whatever and

that he awarded his vote appropriately

that's the way that i'd like to

interpret this and i honestly think it's

the best explanation

the cynical explanation would be that

destiny monetarily benefits from there

not being a feud between my community

and his because i have a large community

i have an overlap with his community and

future opportunities to collaborate

could procure money for both of us

so him smoothing over relationships

through means like this would increase

the likelihood of us being able to do

that

now that's the cynical possibility now i

don't

i don't think that's the answer but

that's right so one way or another you

know

i mean dylan's chat voted 81 for you

well dylan's chat's going to vote for me

because dylan's a socialist

and so he's going to have an audience

that overlaps with mine

also i think wait i talked with dylan

before destiny did right i yeah

that i had with dylan was a well before

his first interaction with destiny i

think

so there's a likely there's a lot a

likelihood that he just debated best

he's

you know his audience is going to be a

little biased just debated best yet the

guy named bastiat

guys let's watch this tom mcdonald

dude tom mcdonald is so fucking edgy

you worry about leaving a better planet

for our kids how about leaving better

kids for our planet entire generation

offended and everything getting mad that

a human thinks all lives matter we don't

need black or white or left or right all

we need is common sense we need balance

we're all in the same boat why are you

trying to make holes if they sink we

sang this is madness

i'm offended that you're offended by me

taking offense can't build a wall

shut the fuck up

that guy gets very popular views

very shout out ewoks what's up ewoks

um oh

whoa

dylan burns maybe

caleb live

debate paul morin okay if he wants to

if he wants to look at this guy's algo

poggers

they have an ancient rivalry godzilla

will come for him

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pg-13

when augie is only a child she's the

only one he'll communicate with

and we need kong

here we

until one of them go are you sure the

monkey's gonna survive this

it's not a sight worrying about

oh my god this is so massive

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guys debate is coming up

this is what the debate looks like

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um sorry gorillas

see you later bro see you later

um

hmm

uh

how's her exam it's all for full debate

lol who's luggage wig who's ludwig

go to sleep i'm not tired dude we're not

yet

not yet i still gotta make my protein

shake what do you think huh think i'm

going to sleep right now

he got it wrong don't get it twisted

dude we're just beginning

we're just beginning

we're just beginning and you think

it's over debate your protein shake

who's ludwig

who's fucking ludwig

um

we don't debate nazis i'll debate

anybody i don't give a fuck

as long as it's not tos

ludwig i don't wanna i don't i'm above

that i'm not gonna leash off that guy

um

news another news

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carl ray jensen

carl ray jepson

i kind of feel like gaming

i kind of feel like gaming

no i don't i don't fucking want to play

a game

i could play halo right now i could do

that could play halo

i could play halo would you guys want

that

no you guys don't want to do that you

guys don't want us

in game you guys don't want to see me

game i'm not a gamer

i'm not a gamer what do you think i am a

gamer

this is a gaming stream

y'all don't want to see me play games

i want to battle you know i don't want

to play games

do something keep reading alexander and

he's waiting for me to respond

but i don't know how

who are we saying alexander

he always says that

you roblox want to play vr chat one's in

the chat if you want to play vr chat

when's in the chat if you want vr chat

is that what you guys want

is it what you want okay we'll play some

vr chat

we'll play by the way you guys could

probably run this shit too

just letting you know

just letting you know where do you get

this where can i download

steam and i think it's free pretty sure

it's free

i'm pretty certain it's free we're gonna

play some vr chat everybody gorilla

we're gonna find some kink

we're gonna find a gorilla avatar first

and foremost

we're gonna find a gorilla avatar

okay we're gonna find a gorilla

avatar in vr chat we gotta update it

though

i want all my gorillas who can

who can show force on vr

we're going to take over the dominate

we're going to dominate the the virtual

space

until something substantive comes up

we're going to play some vr chat

debate the weebs

forget that for next time but i'll

probably leave i gotta wake up early

tomorrow

so okay see you

see him

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what's your steam name you don't have to

add me on steam

debate ben shapiro no

not gonna fucking do that

shout out to alex

how do we join i don't know find the

world behind then

um

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please load

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it's not it's frozen

it's frozen

oh it's not frozen failed to

authenticate with real-time servers

right here gorillas

steve cernovich

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oh i just wanted to get that off my

chest you know

i just wanted to get that off my chest

because it's like it's been bothering me

for so long

and i didn't want to admit it until now

because i knew a lot of people

wouldn't be able to get it you know so

you know i was just really i'm really

glad i got that off my chest you know

i'm really glad i got that off my chest

because

yeah yeah everyone who heard it is like

a better person for hearing the big talk

you know i'm saying it's like i just

felt like i got to be

uh but got to be honest about about it

you know because you know

the thing is is that not a lot of people

appreciate honesty and i'm one of those

people who prides themselves

trying to be a little bit more honest

and honestly it is what it is

you know yeah it's it is really brave

you know

it is really brave um

yeah anyone who didn't fucking hear that

is just

fucking like uh it's sad

it's sad like you didn't hear what i

just fucking said

you missed out dude go check the vod if

you just fucking missed out on the

fucking red pills i dropped

because it's fucking pathetic you know

vr chat's not working okay it's just not

working

it's just not working it keeps not

letting me log

in fuck you

what is going on exit out

get the fuck out of your chat yes

proceed

no quit okay i quit out

quit out of that bullshit

shit i gotta go back shit i gotta go

back to your mom's grandkid

okay just kidding i'm just kidding

yeah if they didn't hear what i said you

know i don't know what to fucking say

you guys you know like

i'm only ever going to say it once

like you think i'm going to say that

again vr chat isn't working you know i'm

trying so fucking hard to log in and

it's not working

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no i'm not gonna play valorant funny

powerful profile picture

what

what are you talking about

are you using steam yes

oh wait you want to listen to what i'm

here you want to listen to some of this

uh it's okay

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can you guys hear it because i'm playing

it through the desktop you can hear it

try vlogging from the website no

i'm in we made it we got in okay

first of all let me see

uh let me see

avatars

i have to find a gorilla avatar

okay here's what i'm going to do

we're gonna increase this size of this

window a little bit

okay we can do that like this

capture like this and then this should

work

and then here's what i'm gonna do gamer

look look at this lie that they're

looking for a game to capture

and all we need is the actual

fucking god damn it

okay

this is what i have to do all right now

i'm going to add the

camera source

uh uh for yourself the

video capture device yeah add source

and we're gonna go actually i'm gonna

take this

make it go here right and then i'll go

here we'll just go here like this

right beautiful

beautiful this is fair right

this is fair okay let's just do this

okay well i gotta update the twitch

we're gonna go in vr chat

vr chat

updating title okay all right where do i

go vr chat hub

give me some worlds to go to give me

some worlds to go to

give me somewhere to go to i can get a

gorilla avatar

give me somewhere i can go where i can

get a gorilla avatar

we need a gorilla avatar

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i need a gorilla avatar guys

go

dreamways are back again extreme ways

now i know

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but never know everything let's start

singing

go back to the hub what do you mean i'm

in the hub

i'm here what the fuck is that

how do i talk what's the bun to talk

how do i talk can someone tell me the

controls

what the fuck happened it just fucking

it crashed we have to do it again

loading it up again

shithole app vr chat

it's just fucking grand

that's just fucking grand now isn't it

homeworld go to the right like why would

it crash

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hate speech okay that's fine

okay um

okay you want me to go on the right to

avatars where are the gorillas

show me someone give me a gorilla avatar

like where can i get gorilla avatars

what

we need a gorilla avatar king kong

avatar like a big one

too

go to big al's

watch a crash

shut the fuck up

so who wants to debate me who wants to

debate me huh

who wants to debate me

dude guys

first of all where do i get a king kong

avatar show me where i get it

king kong avatar

yeah i have no clue you guys are like

floating around like tall

you're floating you're floating

like the rest of us

where do i get a king kong avatar can

someone tell me

there has to be one i know what the fuck

is that

what the fuck is that

give me an avatar that big but king kong

give me the king kong avatar

give me the king kong avatar that's that

big

now can i have the king kong avatar

now or no what the fuck is that

go a little down

what is this where's king kong these are

the only avatars here

can someone tell me where king kong is

what up danny what up bro how you doing

go back to home world okay i'll go back

to homeworld

worlds

go back to home world hub go to big al's

avatar world

okay

streamways are back again extreme ways i

don't know

let's do karaoke contest and i'll

fucking sing

can we is there like a karaoke contest

place where i could be like

i could perform on stage and uh as king

kong and like sing a song

probably really

gorilla gang what up denny ace denny

what's that thing next to your name how

do you like

have that this game crashed again like i

said

it's all it's all it does

twitchcon okay

streamways are back again extreme ways i

don't know

i heard everything new again

everything that i know hurt on the pen

i got some twitter bullshit

okay

look at this fucking game crash

look at this fucking game crash

look at this fucking game crash

see why i need a new pc

yeah i definitely need a new pc

like this piece of shit fucking pc

debating roblox

i just wanted to play our chat

the game is busted dude the fuck is

wrong with this game

all right patience is over

patience is over we're exiting out

bye

we exited out what other games do i have

i have uh

i'm not gonna fucking play roblox

get it out of your goddamn head

let's go to adjust chatting again very

briefly

just so we're not in stuck in vr chat

tf2

no not playing tf2

um

gta is fucked up

i know what i'm gonna play it's gonna be

a surprise

wait kevin wake up kevin logan

play halo dude no one wants to watch me

play halo i won't

extreme ways are back again and what i'd

love to do i'd love to play halo custom

games you know

i'd love to do that but

what we're doing right now is a surprise

we're doing a surprise right now

load checkpoint

what

6 18 wait which one is better

okay pierre and the last one is this

this is the last one we're gonna load

this

this game is hard as fuck guys tough

game

this game is tough okay

i gotta order some food oh

yeah dude when i get a better pc we're

gonna be able to do a lot of fucking

cool shit

trust me yeah omegle is not

twitch friendly omega is not twitch

friendly

that's just not gonna fucking happen

extreme ways are back again extreme ways

i don't know

okay this game is actually hard like

this is actually not an easy game

so what is what's my objective again

what the fuck did i just do okay

this is not an easy game wait hold on

okay i gotta fix this i'm gonna put this

here can i like invert this

transform uh

flip horizontal yeah okay

that's better extreme ways are back

again

extreme ways i didn't know i heard

everything back

okay

okay it's better see it's much better

out of the box out of the box

okay

the fuck is that coming from

fuck this shit man

do

oh

is he not dead stupid fucking game

wait this one's like a more stealthily

minded weapon i feel like i beat this

already

right or no

i forgot

oh my god dearest me

can't waste this ammo i only got one

bullet for that gun

what the fuck

okay okay don't be shooting at me

dude don't just don't shoot at me you're

not it's not going to fare well

you know this game sucks because they

can shoot through walls

this game allows you to shoot through

walls

fuck this shit man

this game allows you to shoot through

walls

many people are on youtube right now

how many people are on youtube i can't

see

play a game where you can talk to people

okay fine

fine fine

quit yeah 42

transform

uh flip floors

stream ways are back again extreme ways

i don't know

what games you have to work on your pc

halo works

but you can't talk to people in that

game

we're going to try to view our chat

again

we're not going to prank all people okay

i'm 24 we're not going to prank all

nobody

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so

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is this my life this is my life isn't it

this is my life now i'm not gonna bitch

fuck that bitching you know what i'm

saying no negativity

shut down programs you don't need i

don't need zoom

actually fuck zoom get the fuck out of

here zoom

bye bye bitch what up what is this

discord i need that

what is this

oh it looks like there's a driver i need

to update for geforce

okay i'm gonna update the geforce driver

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okay i'm gonna update my geforce driver

and yeah no fuck wrong one

later updating g f what the fuck

updating geforce driver now

download a car

stream ways are back again extreme ways

i didn't know

i heard everything new again i heard it

down there and

what the fuck do you mean download a car

delete system 32 and download more ram

okay i'll do that right now

it's a meme

download more ram

that's cute

what up my tail how you doing bro

what's the what's up how did how's that

wash video doing let me see

you know that watch video we almost have

more dislikes

but i don't give a fuck

they're giving us so much views 9.4k

views look at that they we still have a

majority of likes

exactly bitch look at all these comments

just cause you yelled

just because you yelled shut up bitch

i'm reading these comments

um yeah you bunch of bitches in the chat

i defeated him

yeah abdul

hello dude people love me

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