BUILDING A NEW PARTY [2021-03-20]

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um yeah guys so we got to talk about something

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if you haven't noticed

here's the thing

there's a few things i want to get to right

we got some things on the way we're going to debate that bostiatkai not tonight i don't know we haven't scheduled that one

another thing i want to get out of the way is that you guys have been hearing about a di upcoming debate between me and a guy named comrad king

and it keeps getting delayed

and the reason it keeps getting delayed is entirely my fault

he lives in russia so we have a time we have a time zone difference ok

and my sleep schedule right now is just abysmal

i'm waking up at the

you know i hoke up at three pm today so

yh and the earliest we can have the debate is from two to four and i an hour just after waking up is just not possible for me to stream

um

so that's why it keeps getting delayed it's just because of my sleep schedule and the debate is only going to happen

when my schedule gets back on track and i'm trying to to do that you know i'm really trying to do that

really hard

m

ya so

there's that

we have something upcoming with bastiat i think you know he said he wanted to debate

so that's going to happen

tonight we're probably going to have some debates in the discord

you know we'll bring people on to debate

but i've been thinking i've been thinking about some stuff and i want to talk about it onstream

m

so on our you tube

we're preparing to kind of move to twitch after getting affiliate

i'm not one hundred percent on that yet by the way i mean maybe

maybe you tube is better i don't know i have to like

look some things up

but i

you know

you know what

i'm just not having this negativity in the fuck and comments you know

i'm was going to ban that guy forever i do fk you know i'm just i'm not having this negative

i'm just not

i'm not in the mood today for this

bushe

um anyway

what was i saying

uh

what the fuck was i even fucking saying got damaged

oh yeah i was saying on you tube

so regarding our youtube

yeah we're going to start moving our streaming to twitch

if you haven't noticed on our youtube

i unlisted all of our previous dreams to clean up the channel a little bit

and something i noticed is the you tube has gone a little bit chaotic so we're doing we're cleaning up that you tube

i'm probably going to update the thumbnails for the videos we do have now because i realize something that

when we started out infrared

there was a lot of things missing that stunted our growth and i understand that but

we had a thematic and aesthetic consistency

that i want to return to for you tube i want to return to that you know because it's kind of gotten a little chaotic

and i kind of want to rein in

you know on what streaming has done for infrared and kind of go back not go fully go back to the roots but

just remember why we started this out and what it's all about you know because

streaming has kind of

taken me in very chaotic

ah directions

the plan right now is that we're going to just start streaming on twitch

we're going to stop streaming on youtube

by the way twitch is completely free i think someone and a you tube comment mention on use like au shit i'm broken

not going to be able to but

twich is completely free to so don't worry about that

im

we will never gatekeep our content through monetization you know we're not going to do that

but um

ya the

we're going to switch to twitch

um

and we're going to keep the youtube for high quality

videos and content and clips and other things like that

and then you know when we get to like voh's level

think god knows when

we'll have like an infrared high lights channel that's just going to upload clips and then the channel will just be for hig super high quality stuff

but

on that note of that contemplation

i was thinking about i was going back and watching our first live streams

oh by the way guys our streams are on you tube are always going to be accessible you just have to go to playlists

click our channel go to playlists

and then click on live streams and all forty six of them are there

and

the streams are going to stay listed

for maybe a day or two we're going to let them you know milk the algorithm get some views to grow our channel you know our sub count and then

they'll be on listed

but yeah those are still going to be excess but i was doing some contemplation and thinking and

i was watching our old and first live streams

and also going back to our

first videos and i realized something about

how much

like

how much infrared has changed you know

i mean

ok so i'm going to just admit something

just can be totally completely honest brutally honest with myself

the barrier to entry as of now because i'm always focused on like what does a person who doesn't know anything about us

think of us

and right now that is just like a guy who yells on camera about anglos or something and a guy who's yelling and just

angry all the time and shit

m

but

if you go back

to a infrared's original videos

and if you go back to our very first live streams

that was not the case at all

ok it was not the case

and i've been doing some reflection on

and i've always known this but i haven't sat down and like ok

what should i learn from this you know this change

beause i can't just go back to how it was before that will never happen but i just want to like

address that because some people are just genuinely curious a

why has there been such a dramatic shift

you know a lack of professionalism and formal you know

formalism on streaming and stuff

and i'm going to answer that

there's two reasons ok

i

one of the big impediments to our growth

originally

was that while people really liked our videos

we're going to talk about this at the end of this stream and because it's this is why i want to talk about dialectics not streams not going to be like the insort of dialectics vid

but we have maybe we'll go into m s paint and we'll talk about it

the videos people liked the videos

but they didn't respect them

people liked our old videos

but

they were

treated with any kind of respect

and what i mean by that is that they didn't really like make a long lasting impression on people

people watched them and like them and then forgot about them

because

unfortunately the sphear of politics and the sphear of

you know

whatever

political appearances and idological appearances in theory and it's all rooted in violence it's all rooted and i'm not trying to be a vulgart like a hobsy and guy

but what i mean by that is that

ultimately these words were using

are derivative of some kind of real power right

and that power is state power is based on violence

ok

and

you can make beautiful videos beautiful things and you can write beautiful texts

but people will not respect them

now some might reproach me all that you think they're just going to respect you because you're yelling and screaming about shit

i'm not necessarily saying that either

but

i think

what i'm trying to say is that

you have to get into this combative mode this hostile mode

and

prove you can actually be angry about this and prove you can actually

m you know

be brutal about it and that's the only way people are and they can admit it or they cannot admit it but that's the only way people are going to fucking respect

ok

it like yeah like cargo says it's a dog eat dog world and that's just the sad fact of it you know

uh yeah it's like um

that's why the and then it's not like that was all planned tho's like i am a human being

many things do genuinely

pissed me off and make me angry

but a lot of that is also like an overload of stress cacuse i'm in law school right

the reason i wear my emotions on my sleeve

is

because i feel like i just don't give a fuck like i don't have any form

or formal organization to hide mind

you know

we are a collective infrared but we're not a formal organization

ok

so

i know i look ridiculous and shit

just for disclaimers and anyone who cares it's just that i don't care you know i'm not trying to

sell anyone this idea that i'm the leader of a party or some formal organization or some kind of

you know professional entity because

were not professionals

um

and we're not a formal organization

and

another thing another reason why

the tone has shifted so drastically for infrared

is another kind of

maybe some people will think it's sad and tragic but i'm over it you know i'm i realize this is how it is

it's this issue of good faith

you know in our very first streams and in our videos

i was i was never such a combative

brutal person

or hostile person

like

i streamed and i

was making those videos and we in the infrared collective were making those videos

with an open heart of good faith

genuine good faith

like genuine good faith that hey guys

look at how we're presenting this idea you know

look at how we're trying to

craft something create something

from nothing

at like in terms of the video form i mean not in terms of all the ideas and stuff but

hey guys i just want to present this new idea you know and i just want to do it to the best of my ability i've never live streamed before

i know i'm not perfect at it but that was just the mentality we're coming from

but i was like a naive

lamb

who's going into a wilderness

when there's all these hungry wolves

looking at me with glowing eyes

and here i am this falking idiot just talking with good faith as though like

yeah people are going to treat me like a human being

isn't that fulkon sad

like i thought

i'd just be coming out

and like oh yeah we're all human here you can you know

you can always uh

you can you know

we're all human you can understand what i'm trying to say and if you can't that's fine i'll work with you you know

but i realized something

um

and this is a result of me going public

and uh it's just that

you in this world we live in

you are not afforded the assumption of being a human being

our humanity is interprelated to us

by state power

by violence you know

so unless you do

you know unless you somehow prove yourself

in a way that forces people to respect you

i could be talking and i could feel like i'm i have an open heart and i'm like

telling the world these ideas

and these um

this theory

and i'm so stupid that i'm thinking that

oh i'm actually putting this out there

but those wolves are looking at me and i look like a fucking idiot

you know there they look at me and they they say oh

it's all meaningless

and i was the first

major responses we started getting and there were people who were supporting us

but when you when i looked outside the chat

it was all people just saying

what a bunch of gibberish what a bunch of fucking nonsense

sorry hold on i gota check my phone

you know it's like

that shocked me i didn't

i mean i knew that's how it was

but i hadn't been in public

so i didn't know like

we live in a bad faith world

and people are

it look you know what good faith means

it basically means

when you hear someone say something you afford them the assumption

that they're just trying to say something meaningful you know

bad faith is where

you every whenever you it's like a lawyer

if there's anything you hear you're just trying to isolate something

that you look

let me explain this way

bad faith means

when you hear someone talking

your brain is just looking for things

to incriminate them

as an idiot

as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about

as someone with zero knowledge

as someone who is incapable of a

conveying meaning

and

you know i didn't know that was

that was like the default

so i was like a fucking lamb

like

trotting my way to the slaughter

just putting this shit out there

and

i was saying things that people are just going to use to incriminate me

you know

good faith in bad faith is

you know me there's no such thing as bad faith before this streaming stuff

i was never a bad faith person

it's always good faith

and you have to choose one or two by the way

but when we talk about dialectics later in the stream

i'm going to explain to you why there's this distinction and it's related

to power it's related to state power

we're going to talk about what it means for there to be an unconditional criterion

of meaning

so we're going to talk about that at the end of the stream this is just a kind of introduction to that

but

anyway uh

i had this kind of really naive attitude and the more i was getting that kind of reception

the more i realized

i kind of guys i'm going to be honest with you

in a sense i kind of gave up

i'm just trying to you know

seriously

seriously put what i really believe in

out there

you know

like my heart is not

here

it's not here on stream

it's not

it's in uh

it's not in my writings like it's only in my writings but it's in that sphere you know that's what i really care about

and i know streaming is important too but uh

you know

there's a really big divide between those two things

and that divide could never be bridged you know

like i'll give you an example when you're streaming and you're debating someone

let's say in good faith because i know what look believe it or not guys i know how to be bad faith and i'm very good at being in bad faith

i'm very good good at thinking quickly

just to isolate

in engol and go in war mode where all i want to do is catch some one say something stupid

and annihilate their humanity because of this

the lawyer mode you know the kind of

just don't when they talk

don't

experienced them as though

you know

they're a human being trying to

make their life meaningful in some way

isolate what they're saying in order to annihilate their humanity and deallegitimize them as a human being

i know how to fucking do that really well and i know how to do it better than my enemies

but i don't really like doing it

but it's like you have to you know

you have to

because it's a doggae dog world

it's like

you guys have to understand how fucking brutal

this debate shit is

if you get stomped and stopped

and it's not because you don't know it's just because

you forgot

and you got to think about it a little bit

and think about it comprehensively

when you when you have a long pause

i could already see the enemy's chat go hey

he doesn't know how we got him he doesn't know he doesn't know it's not that i don't have a fucking response

that's never happened to me before by the way

but i'm just saying that's that's what would happen to you in a debate

you could be thinking about it so deeply in your head

and it's and immediately you're incriminated as someone who doesn't know anything

and you have no response

that's how it is

we are not afforded the assumption

of being human beings

we're not afforded the assumption

of being human beings

who have something to say

we have to

we are guilty until proven innocent

and if we mess up and slip up once we're guilty

we're guilty entirely

but believe it or not when it comes to the world of debating

and being on live streaming in shit

there are

purely contingent mater purely materially contingent

humiliating realities like

sometimes

you genuinely just forget

sometimes

you slip up and you you say the wrong word

on accident

you misspeak

sometimes

you you say the wrong thing

and all of our humanity is reduced to that those tiny stupid mistakes

everything that

defines us

and our character

is attached to that

you know

so if you guys want to know why there's been this radical shift

in the nature of our channel

this is why

you know i have to do this

a i have to do this be how i am be such a brutal evil person

because they will eat you alive if you're not that

you know i don't like debating i'm not a debate bro

if people received me in good faith

i would have no i would never you know debate any one brutally

like how i do

it's just that you are not afforded the assumption of good faith in this world

you know um

you're not afforded that assumption

ah another thing

is you know

i guess the whole thing about the stream becoming more casual is

you know not a big problem but

yeah i just want you gus to understand that you know i get maybe gets on some of your nerves

that i'm so fucking you know mean in shit

no thumbnail for you tube

it just takes so much time and i realize just want to transition twich you know

that

and i'm they're going to be on listed anyway so there's not going to be no more you tube thumb nails i don't think

we i want to save good

i want to save our good thumbnails for

are

youtube videos that we make not our live streams

but anyway

yeah the guys

but but at the same time you know i want to remember

i never want to forget i never want to let streaming make me forget

that original spark of light

that motivates me

in this world we have to be ugly

or else you get eaten alive

but that doesn't mean we should forget the things in this world that are beautiful

you know

like uh

we you ust have to remember that don't put beautiful things out there naked

because there's a lot of fucking ugly

ugly falking people

whose soul is ugly

and just live as ugly ugly people

ugly fucking people

they have an ugly soul

and if they see a beautiful thing out in the wild

they see dinner

you know they want to destroy it immediately

immediately

they just want to fucking tear it down immediately

that's the nature of this world

i mean

i began in good faith

but my enemies want to play the game of bad faith

and on that game

they don't stand a chance

they don't stand a chance to me

they don't stand a fucking chance

i can be very brutal and falcking ugly in disgust

cause i know you have to be

or else you get eaten alive

in this world

hey fero why don't you just not come back

just don't come back fere

i just don't want you in my chat you know

i don't need that

i'm not begging for viewers i just don't fuck and need that

you know

that's another thing guys is our viewers

on average

our gooness

seem like they're going to not

i feel i don't know i can't make predictions but

our growth is not i don't know if our growth is going to go back to before anytime soon

this streaming thing is not one

it you know one you know endless

adventure there's going to be

times where

you got to realize this is a long term thing we're in this to be here a long term ok

you're not going to have crazy debates every stream you're not going to have crazy

moments every stream is just not how streaming works

and

i think that's gonna filter out

a lot of our live audience

and you got to be prepared for that

and i am prepared for that i'm fine with that

you know

yeah i just wanted to talk about this because

infrared had an original vision you know

and um

it's just that

the more serious i try to be on stream

and the more good faith and honest and i just

you know

not being a showman

just trying to do my best to

express something meaningful

the more stupid i look

and i can see how stupid i look when people point it out i see it

you know

i mean that's why how i am how i am ons stream

ah that's why

you know

i fuck around so much

and i barely ever take anything seriously it seems like nowadays

you know and i'm i'm not a formal professional type of guy

it's because the

yeah

you know it's

you can't just be yourself online

you just can't

you just can't

if you be yourself

you're ignoring the fact

that there's people

whose soul is fundamentally ugly

these are fundamentally depraved

lost

and condemned people

and they only exist to destroy everything in this world

that is good and beautiful

and there's so many of them

there's so so many of them

because they're ugly and miserable and they want you to be that too

they're so fucking

they have so much darkness and filth

in their soul

and they want you to be the same thing

and it's not just when it come it's not just online

it's also in politics

you want to know why the left doesn't get anywhere in america

is because americans don't know how to deal with this ancient problem

of disgusting ugly bitter people who just want to shit things up and falk things up

try to build a party i promise you you're going to come across the one guy

who fucks it all up

because they don't want people to be happy you know

they want people to be just as fucking miserable

lost depraved

bitter is them

and you have to take them up on their challenge because they will die by their ugliness

they will die by it

they don't believe in any redemption they don't believe in any humanity

they are going to be disgusting

anti human

pieces of shit

until the day they foking die

you have to realize that

those people

are very numerous

very numerous

and they're the reason why

you can't just have good things

it only takes one person

think about my chat

think about if there was no moderators in the chack

look

ninety five percent of you could be great

but it just takes one guy to say the n word it just takes one guy to fuck it up

and ruin it for everyone

and that's how everything works

i could be doing my education stream

and i could wear my heart on my sleeve

just trying to talk to you guys

and ninety nine percent of you might

might get it

but all it takes is the one falking guy

to say oh this is a bunch of gibberish nonsense

and that will genuinely

genuinely

ruin it for me

that's why we don't have educational streams

that's why we don't have streams where i go in depth about ships

i've just lost faith

i don't need to be convinced

i haven't listened

i haven't been in public

forever

i'll always have my way

of

going back to the correct path

and i need that to live

it's why i live

it's the key to my focking life

i have no issue with it

nobody can take that away from your challenge that they don't have any way to

but when it comes to streaming

and just putting it out there

sometimes i just want to fuck and give up

i just want to fucking give up

like why am i doing this

oh i' i'm an idiot i'm just speaking gibberish

and nothing i'm saying is meaningful

like it's not even meaningful

you don't even address the fucking content

you just going to say it's meaningless

just address the content of what i'm saying if you're too stupid

why is that my fucking fault you can't understand

i'll try to fuck and help you if you put reach your arm out and ask for it

but you just say it's fucking meaningless

it's enough to fucking ruin it for me

like why am i doing it then

because i can just not do it you know i could just confine myself to my writings because when i read my own shit

that's what that's the linchpin of my life

you don't think i need a way to make this shit meaningful

i do

i just pity you

i pity you people

who are so close minded

that you don't even afford others the assumption

of being human beings trying to say something

because i see when you're miserable and i'm happy when you're miserable

believe it or not

and the reason i'm happy when you're miserable

it's because i've looked at life in a new way

a way you didn't fucking think was possible

you're pessimistic about marxism you're pessimistic about communism meanwhile here i am optimistic

because i thought about it in ways you didn't think possible

and i've and've explored the meaning of these things

in ways you didn't consider possible or even consider at all

and you're falcking miserable and you're falking pessimistic i'm not

i'm fucking happy

i'm fucking optimistic

you have problems i don't

i'm not the one with the problem you are

and that's why the very beginning what did i say in my first dream

one of my first dreams

it's gone now because the

i didn't know how to save them on you tube before but i said

what gives you the fucking right to be so close minded

it's not just that you have no achievements on your belt

but what are you what are you trying to safeguard

what position in this world

what mental position are you trying to safeguard what are you so scared of losing

as even as an individual

what are you so scared of losing

that you're not at the very least going to be fucking open minded

what are you trying to defend

that i am threatening

that's what i want to know

and no one could answer me

they tried they went around the question instead of answering me he said what have you done haz

what have i done

what a stupid thing to say

i'm trying to do it now

but as to what have i done for myself

i'm leaving

oh that's not an achievement that i'm living

you don't fuck a no then

that's not an achievement that i'm here

and i'm doin this and i'm believin in this

it is a funcking achievement

you just don't know me

and it's fine

but that means you can't make assumptions

you don't think i've gone through the problems leftist go through

or marxis go through in the west

you don't think i've been at that despair they've been at that they're at right now i've been there

i fuckin been there

but what i'm saying is fucking meaningless

you just can't win

if you defend yourself

you're too mean and you're too angry

but if you be yourself

they're going to assume you're weak

they're going to try to destroy you

m

we started out

and what were we gibberish

and now

i'm just an angry guy

i'm just the guy who yells

i never say anything

i'm not speaking words i'm just yelling

wll you want to know what

how would i just sit down on my fucking couch

and fork you

why am i wasting my words why a i speaking

why am i saying anything

it's nothing

but it takes energy to say this and think about it

please please say the words i say please and no i know you're going to try to mock me and say oh i'm going to say the things the the things that i'm going to isolate that make you ridiculous please i want se if you're fuking brain can see the things i foking say

i want to see if you have what it takes in youwn funcking d

to say a single sentence from one of my serious dreams

and put that together and i want to see if you can say it what i say you can't

you can't i promise you you can't

i promise you i swear you can't

this specific combination of words

that i speak in

specifically

that you call meaningless i want to see you come up with them

i want to see your c p u have that processing power

to condense so much into that

and you'll stand on falking chance and you get rolled every falking time

and how many of them acknowledge it

how many of ther fens acknowledge it

none they just say i'm yelling and they try to ton't police me

well you have the fuking don't beliece me it is a f me assumption of good faith to begin with but you're not uble and you want to fucking admit that you just don't fucking understand because you're fucking stupid

so i have to be to you

i have gone crazy onstream you have witnessed me goes crazy i mean i've always been crazy

but i become like a clown you know i become like some jokeer clown who only lives

for the passion of a contradiction in a paradox

which is

me not understanding the absurdity of the situation

i become like alex jones i embody the absurdity

of others

not me

i'm not the absurd one

alex jones started out as a normal fucking guy

but you want to know what happened

he went fucking crazy

because everybody just treated him with bad faith he would say some reasonable things like

yeah there's black helicopters

and the government's doing some weird shit

and then people in the news or mainstream people would react to him and itd go oh god alexons are saying aliens are taking over a burger king

and he would see how he's putting things out there

that he considered sane

and everyone is

just affording him the assumption of insanity only

and he became that he became the funcking crazy person

that they were making him into and that's what's happening to me

but i can't let it happen

i gotta rein in a little bit

i gota rain it a little bit

but it's just so fucking hard

it's always your the enemies who will define you

it's always your enemies who will defind you

and the reason your enemies define you

is because they're your threat

if i was if i felt

a like there's no threats

there'd be no problem

listen ninety nine percent of you can be friends and one percent could be a threat but that one percent that's a threat

ruins it for everyone

because they're the one who's my enemy they're the one

who wants to see me destroyed

wants to see this channel destroyed

you guys don't think i doubt myself because i fuck and do

all the fock and time

i always doubt is this the right direction

and you think i feel proud

you think i feel proud

of the this persona

i've created on stream

becuse i don't

i don't

i don't okay

i don't

yeah and a lot of people want me to condemn that guy jusy gang

and i did see that luna oi condemned him

and i don't know if she was targeting me

i honestly don't give a shit

but here's what i'm going to say about ju sa gam

i'm not going to condemn him

it's not the behavioor i would engage in personally

or the one i would encourage people to

but who the fulk am i to condemn him

he's not even american

who a fuk a might to condemn him ah

people o side of america are fucking angry they right to be angry

i heard he was he was korean is what i heard

american military is in korea right now they're fucking there

and you want me to condemn him for you

i'm not going to condemn him i'm not going to go on camera on stream and condemn him

he can do what he wants

i'm going to control him

i don't encourage it i wouldn't do it myself

but hule fuck am i an american

going to condemn him

don't ask me to fuk and condemn him

you think i'm going to police the behavior of people outside of america

i'm not going to funking police their behavior

maybe that's his way of venting

who the folk am i judge him

as much of a brutal fucking world this is

you're going to fucking be sensitive

about some dumb bulls on the folky internet

for you

i'm not encouraging it

i wouldn't do it myself

and if you want i could go into why i wouldn't encourage it

but you want me to condemn him

me

an american

is going to condemn someone who's allegedly korean themselves

and police them

and i admit it's the lof's fault

that the internet is so fucking sensitive

i admit that

but it wasn't a leftist to try to just get as deep platform the other day now was it

she used the same funking tactics

as those leftists

who are just so fucking sensitive

on the fulking internet

over nothing

oh juhe gain he typed in capslock and said he wanted to i don't know he said something mean to thought slime oh it's the end of the world it's the end of the foky world

it's a crime it's fascism

it's fascism and it's criminal

and anyone wants to say i'm causing division

by speaking against duna oil or something

fuck you

i'm never the one who causes division

i'm never the one who causes division

notice that guys i want you to notice that that it's never me who causes the division

it's always other m ls

i never wanted to cause any division with any m ls

it's always them

i'm not a fucking wrecker

i've been just trying to do my own shit

and i'm not condemning lunal oil because i genuinely don't even know what happened

but i'm going to tell you something i don't get i don't owe anyone anything

i don't

we're focused on infrared right now no our goal is not to fight other m ls it's just not our goal

we want to the first thing we want to do is show people that there's an alternative to this bread tube shit

in america

because a lot of people don't know there's an alternative

they just don't know that

they think there's no alternative at all

and that

to be a leftist

means you have to have vosch's argument a line of thinking and you have to agree with vosch's

ideas

about socialism and all this stuff

it's never us who causes division if there's any division among m ls it's not coming from us

it's not coming from us

we've always had our eye on the prize

which is this big audience bread tube is reaching

and they are reaching a big audience guyse

a big audience

and a lot of people

in that audience aren't bad people

they just don't know about any alternative

but i'm fucking this channel up

i'm fucking this channel up

by making that alternative

the lowest of the low

w e trash tre

trash tar

i'm doing that to us

and not a lot of people are taking us seriously they're just not

because of that

and i'm so grateful to the ones who can see past it

but there has to be a way to deal with this

because when i try to be serious

i become a clown

and caleb thank god for him

he works in ur t and he does so many other things besides just being live streaming

like me

but look at how they treated him

he doesn't have to care because he's doing so many other things

god bless him man

you know he's a great guy

look at how they treated him

that would be me they would treat me that way

so it's like i feel like

i have to embrace the absurdity you know

i have to embrace

the way they're inevitably going to treat me as an absurdity

and turn it to my advantage

because either way i'm going to be treated as an absurdity

there's something absurd about the state of the world

there's something absurd

about the state of america the state of the left

the state of the ideas that now prevail among the left there's something fundamentally absurd about

and to a lot of people i embody that absurdity

and i am that absurdity they pin it all on me

wo did you hear about that infrared guy

he doesn't think socialism is workers ownership of the means of production

yes there's something absurd in that equation

the absurdity is the fact that you all along thought that was the definition of socialism

and you're pinning that absurdity on me

as though i am the absurdity itself

and i admit i've ruled with it

i've tried to use that absurdity to our advantage

and just not be that serious

you know

but then people come to think there's nothing so serious

about us at all

and there's a fine line in a fine balance

a fine balance

people think i'm naive and i don't know

all the voices

you know

coming from them

those voices are in my head yeah yeah call me skitchle here comes the skitchle jokes i don't care

but all the voices of the haters are always in my head

and i'm talking to real haters

like when i'm talking on twitch

and i'm trying to be a little bit serious

i'm always thinking about

how those haters think i'm just speaking ibberish

i'm always thinking about

you know the kevin logans

i'm always thinking about those types of people

i'm not oblivious to it

i'm not oblivious to the fact

that you think i'm ridiculous or absurd i just don't fuck and care

i do what i do anyway

i'm not oblivious though i know what you think

i know what you fucking haters think i do i know it better than you

i'm harder on myself than you could ever be

but i plowed through it anyway

everything you think in your head

i'm thinking that same thing and i'm doing what i'm doing anyway

but you know i've realized something and i want to start a new resolution

i'm never going to be a purely professional and purely businesslik guy

but i have to be

minimally serious

i have to be minimally

minimally formal

sometimes

at least sometimes

and i can't let the haters get to me

because you guys are asking for a lot of content

that i've been the

i've been

hesitt to do

just because i have the haters in my head and the bad faith actors in my head

you know

want you to keep this

string of words in your head

using it against you

using it against you

if you say something from a genuine place

and you just say it

they will use it

against you

for no reason

it's not necessary that it has to be used against you

but they will do it anyway

because they begin from a premise of ballace

they begin

from a premise of bad faith

they begin from the premise

of wanting to destroy you

i know i'm not the perfect

falking streamer

or presenter

or

person who knows how to simplify ideas

ask me a simple fucking question

like

what is the bourgeoisie

and i won't have a simple answer ready at hand i just won't

i know your simple answers

the ones who own the means of production i know those answers i just rejectres them because they're too simplistic

and they're not really accurate

for instance for example

the booze was he was a very specific type of class

when it became apparent that it it was a real class

there was more things about the booze was even just people who own the means of production

and i'm in law school so i know something called the elements of a crime

and in a string of words like

on the me ownership of the means of production there's a lot of elements you have to break down what does it mean to own

ownership is ultimately

not only economic but also political there's a way in which

your ownership is recognized legally

and that is the basis of legal formal ownership

then there's also economic purely economic ownership economic ownership which is based in informal social unwritten you know there's you can break it down in so many ways

and people don't break it down

you know when people think of this word ownership

of private property

they're making a lot of legal assumptions

like for example the framework of classical liberal property rights

that's not the framework that has prevailed for the majority of mankind's history and it's a framework which which is

has been in on the decline since the one nine hedred thirty s

but people still treat it as though that's the ultimate criterion of what it means to own

property

but it's not

you see how i just i just gave you gibberish guys i just stumbled m and mumbled gibberish

that string of words i just gave you there's literally people watching us who are going to say that's completely meaningless what you just said

to a simple question

what is the bousgeoisie you think i have a simple answer

but then they're going to say

ah esus jesus word sound because he doesn't know the simple answer i know the simple one i know that you think it's just those who own the means of production i know all the simple answers if you're trying to quiz me and test me i know them more than you because i used to believe them i used to be a leftist like you i've been in this for ten years i know all the simple answers i know them

like i kne the back of my fucking hand

and i know i don't do the best job of giving expression

to my unique takes on things

because those need to be simplified

and i tried my best to simplify it

so i'm spending time in my head both

trying to remember and recall

my views

and recall

and also how to simplify them and that takes a lot of falking

stress

but people will see you struggling to do that and just think oh he's an idiot who doesn't even know anything about the subject

we'll get to this at the end of the stream

because we're going to talk about

this

and why dialectics is relevant

ok i'm sorry for this super long introduction

but there's just a lot of shit weighing on my chest

i just want to get out

ya

you know

but i know now

that no matter what i do

people are just going to try to falk with us

people are never going to afford me the assumption of humanity

and i can't entirely ignore the haters it will never happen

but i just need a way

between the haters and the supporters

because the supporters outnumber those haters

and by god i know that

by fucking god i know that

this mainly

it goes out to those among you

who are disappointed

in what they

what appears to be the kind of vulgar

tone

that this show has shifted into

and i feel you guys

because it disappoints me too

when i'm like at the gym

and i'm sitting down in between my wps

i feel like shipmen

i feel like fucking shit

i don't like being a clown

but you gota keep moving you' gota keep

you gota keep on going

you can't give up

you gotta keep on going

keep our moving

al right let's checke the red it

we're going to check the reord

ah wow six hundred sixty four members

you know i always forget to do this but i

if you haven't joined the read you had i'm sure everyone heres in the a is a member of the red

you there's six hundred people and

ya give you gless

this is our redit so just join us redit whenever

you know

we have hate

threads and we have positivity threads we don't delete in

ok

let's do this

all right

for shit talking hakeen

yeah we're going to react to a wasatch video

because i have a few things i want to say about it

formed a goddamn tanky ok because i wanted peace with the community but they were a mother fucking genocide denier

and i feel bad because now there are people in my community who think it's more reasonable thatan

yeah

i guess another thing on my mind

is that i am really bummed out about the nimble show

and it's not just because

you know it's not just because

of the you know the the the ending of it

and it's not just because of bullet either even though in that case

she is the one who is culpable

i guess uh it's gotten to me really bad

that

in front of what you consider normis right

all of a sudden i looked like the biggest piece of shit ever

you know

i look like the biggest piece of shit ever

like the biggest folking scumbag

and

i don't hate normis by the way guys i don't

i like normys

i trust normys more than i trust political people

but

they all hated me

just because bullet brought up this thing this new mean and she didn't invent it so it's not all her fault

and granted you know she

and by i'm not making that video on her anymore i just don't want to

maybe if she does something new

i'll do it but i just

you know she she's a

she she's a she's known on twitch for just being a gun girl right

and we want to appeal to a lot of the people in her audience and we successfully have done it

so optics wise i just don't see the point of

but even though she personally

is a bad person

and a snake

the the meet the you know symbolically or whatever

it's just not good optics i'm not going to do it

but

anyway i

this is the new mem now is genocide denial

and it's enough to just turn you into the into a piece of shit in the eyes of normans

and i

it's harming our growth on twitch

because people are starting to blacklist us

and people are starting tojust shut themselves off from us

because now we've been

marginalized into a very extreme and fringed type of position

as though we're the same thing

the same thing as holocaust deniers

and that's the new atmosphere you know

that's the new atmosphere unfortunately

it's enough for them to just say

genocide denier

and that completely delegitimizes anything you say doesn't matter how much you're trying to respond to it

it's not just hollodamre's it's what's going on in jinjiang allegedly

ah h uh

a coward like oh can't hold his own in a debate

between men

so now he has to hide behind these

trigger words like

genocide denier

to completely delegitimize you

not from a perspective of reason

but from the perspective of authority

meaning the authorities on twitch and youtube

who will maybe inevitably

use phrases and labels like that to de platform us

vosh for lack of the ability to actually argue with us

has to bring out his knives

and universally delegitimize us

genocide denier

look

all these other m ls

are free to have their own approach

i just want to extend my hand out and just tell them this

doesn't matter if you disagree with me about anything right

listen guys

the guy you're seeing on stream right now

right now in his video

this is the guy i'm trying to go after

okay

i don't want you guys can disagree with my approach

my vulgarity my meanness

but please

please hear me out when i'm trying to say

that this guy is a threat to all of us when he's saying we're genocide deniers

and shitld like that

can we at least be unified

in defending ourselves against this

and then we can debate amongst ourselves after

can we at least

just make it normalized

to not be accused of being a genocide denier just because you don't want to condemn stalin and you don't want to condemn

the chinese

the whole of the chinese state

because that's not a given right now

that's all i want to say

to those m ls coming after me

and i'm not naming names

i did you know

i'm not naming names

fokedon unnamed them

i'm not going to name because they haven't done this but haakim

luna oil all those people they may have a lot to disagree with us about

but vosh just called you genocide deniers

ok

and that's the guy we're going after

and fot lime also causs us that

and that's the guy we're going after

can you at least recognize our frustration

can we at least recognize why we're doing it

don't come after us

because we're fighting for you

whether you know it or not we're fighting for you too

yes

ok st o when that was my

my reasonable my my most recent bad laf form he always comes off as way more reasonable in you and that fucking pains me because i'm pretty emty

and he marks a anani

wew like

we don't want to be fringe and marginal and we don't want to accept

the label of being fringe and marginal

i'm i'm still on the red it but i just want to say this

there was a time in america

when there is nothing fringe or marginal about being a communist

being a communist with a capital c

didn't mean

you hated normys

it didn't mean you have some fringe thing

separated from everyone else

there is nothing fringe

or marginable

about denying the proven

slander

and accusations levied against china

but at the very least

you must at least concede that whether there's a genocide happening or not

is an ongoing and heated debate

on the international scene

and is by no means resolved

so if we are assuming a position

sceptical and even outright

rejecting many of these claims

you can't smear us as some fringe genocide deniers

there are over a billion people in china

and i implore you to go ask what chinese people themselves think

i need to remind the americans here

that there's more chinese people than them

and that at the very least

your voices do not automatically prevail over theirs

this new world we'red heading into

is not

dominated by america

there's nothing fringe about us we represent the majority of the world's people

the majority

and that's why there are people who look so fringe

like juagang who's not an american

who's doing what he's doing

well he's not an american

and there's more of them than there are of you americans

you got to realize that we're entering a multipolar world

in which you are no longer the majority

you need to have a more international perspective now

don't slander us as genocide deniers

and write us off

and try to shut us down

because

you can't take for granted your specific position on the matter

as the normal and default one

because it's not

not for the majority of the world at least

anyway

moving on

i question if you are the author of that book is that

you in that book call for spiritual spanking of children

you refer to gender equality as a say tanic campaign

you speak out against hate crime

legislation

and you speak out against

tolerance

i

blaming it on the leopard like power behind the anti christ

i was wondering how those views influence the

your work on china a country that officially restricts

acalyptusist evangelical religions like those

expressed in that book

twelve they s respond

oh my god

it's getting really fucked up

getting really sick

in america

this is a sick dying country

you know

yeah

honest to god

yeah

honest to folking god

i figured out the problem with the western left

it's all

money well it's also a lot of

people calling themselves emmls too

in america

you know the world when hoe gets

wow i'm going to save this

i'll use that as a phone now

thanks fu metal

although i i i realized the gaming stuff you know

gaming is just for me

uh

it was a it was like a

cop out yesterday you know i just

wasn't really even in the mood to stream yesterday but i did it anyway

but

i'm not really someone who enjoys video games you know if a game comes out

h listen my new rules i'm only going to ever play games on stream now if i play them but

i play video games very rarely

i don't particularly enjoy them

so i'm only going to play a game on stream

if i really feel like i'm going to enjoy that game

you know

otherwise it's not going to happen

so don't you know there's not going to be any more

gaming on streaming

oh my god full metal

there we go full metal posting

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i want to say some things about this

m

right i was st on the read it reress want to sey some things about this

you know

yes people

why are you

so attached

why are you why is this why is

china and the soviet union and elsewhere

why are these such great sources of inspiration to you

do you just

love authority do you just love

you know

violent brutal power

you just want to be edgy

and i guess there are some people for whom that is the case

but

i'm going to speak about me

what i why

why is the case for me

you could see in that video

very beautiful

and

up to date

modern cutting edge depictions

of china's past

and the richness and beauty of chinese culture

and history

and a lot of people just think

that has persisted

passively

specifically

after the modern age

but it hasn't

it hasn't

it's persisted

because it's protected

something beautiful like that

really beautiful things authentically human

beautiful things

the richness of culture and civilization

and the memory of history

those

those things

for china

have only been have only persisted

have only persisted

because of communism

and yes during the co

yes pep there are contradictions and ironies and all those things but that's superfluous it's beyond

it's actually not only beyond the point it is the point

that iconoclasm during the cultural revolution

is just part of the cycle of destruction and rebirth

that has characterized not only human history but even specifically chinese history

across the history of mankind

i mean from the very beginning

when they say in china they have a song

without the communist party there is no new china and it's true

to me

come in

i like to call

the example of the soviet union in china

the greatest story

that's ever been told

because that's what they are

they are the stuff of myth

and legend

what used to be myth

they made a reality

whole civilizations

cultures and histories

which were completely forgotten and annihilated

not simply by

the west

but by this encounter with this thing we call modernity

which was so fundamentally traumatizing

for all of the world's people

a k a kind of trauma that could be condensed

in the shock and awe

the pacific islanders felt

when american planes landed on their island

during world war two

and they saw planes for the first time and the sounds

and the sight of this plain

was just so shocking and disorienting to them and hey were so fucking terrified

at what this thing was

i mean that encounter condenses

is an example which condenses

this horror this horror of what modernity is

and

the reason the

it's kind of a mean but there's a there's a seriousness find the reason we talk about the mongols so much

isn't because we're ignoring how the mongols

you know

destroyed a lot

destruction is an inevitable part of the dialectic of history

it's how after this destruction even after this destruction created by the mongols

somehow

the ancient cultures

over which they exercise dominion

were able to be reborn and flourish anew

in to us

the mongols represent a forgotten antipode

to the modern western form of destruction

the only thing that can take on the west the modern west

is the mongol type

the west has its own type of destruction

this destruction forming

the weapon and raw material

of the modern state

the mongol the east has its own answer to modernity

and we see in that the mongols

we know

that the mongols represented

some type of temporary destruction in regards to

chinese civilization which was settled

but it was only temporary

afterwards

a new syncreticism and dialectic was initiated

and which the chinese culture was able to flourish in an unprecedented way

survive

but the western modernity doesn't have that kind of relationship to cultures

western modernity

doesn't simply

make the arrogant and excessive and prideful excesses

of civilization humble

so they can start from a new basis and rise again aan new

it perpetually annihilates them it keeps them down permanently

it keeps its boot on the neck

of people

permanently

and you can actually feel that individually even

does anyone here really feel like a fucky human being as an individual

like do you really feel like you're a human being

i doubt it

if you haven't gone through some really tough shit

to get to a point where you could feel human

i doubt you folking feel human

because the type of society we live in

keeps telling you that you're not human

even though you falkon are

keeps its fucking boot on your boot on your neck

and doesn't allow your latent potentials

to flourish

and there are so many latent potentials

hidden within human beings

that are just fucking knocked down

because they're told

that they have nothing

just because they don't conform

to the way

institutions standardize

human expression

and that's true for individuals and it's also true for whole civilizations

and communist parties in china and the soviet union and elsewhere

allowed people to remember their past

remember their traditions and embrace

who they were

and who they were didn't fit

in the box the west created and called humanity

so these people were not considered human

for hundreds of years

but through a

tumultuous

and yes

contradictory

and very

stormy dialectic

the communists recognize their humanity

that's what they fucking did

communists gave recognition to people's humanity

when they were never afforded any

that's why you see in that video

this combination of the old in the new

because they're saying we're inheriting this civilization

this one which would otherwise be forgotten

and cast aside

just because it doesn't fit

the modern west's view of what it means to be a human being

and what it means to have civilization

that's what communism means to me

and it's the greatest story that's ever been told

it's the greatest story

that's ever been told

it's a story of people

rediscovering

who they fucking are after having lost everything

but if you can't appreciate that

after being educated about it and after learning about it

there's something really sick evil and twisted inside of you

you're just taking

your own western privilege for granted

to sound like a

western leftist wokchld

you're just taking that western privilege for granted

all those things you saw would have been lost forever

if the chinese people

didn't rise up

didn't rise up

and face and own up to the challenge set before them by modernity

so yes

that's why it's so inspiring to me

that's why i consider it the greatest story ever told

and the stuff of myth and legend

because you know what old myths were

you whatr old myths were about

they were about describing this dialectic

that's true at the individual level and it's true at the historical level

were goodness

what we consider normal what we consider real

or good

passes through its apparent opposite

and then somehow arises

again at the end is not the story is not the elementary structure of the story

you begin somewhere you' lose it all

and then you regain

what you lost

maybe you regained it in a way you didn't even

no you could

maybe you regained it

while at the same time not even realizing

what you lost

in the in the first place

you don't just go back to what you had

in other words

you regain it in a new way

it's the greatest story ever told

liberal vers marxs view of conflict

this is

technocratic view you've gone

this is the american pragmatic and technical view of com

conflict is functional

the marx approach is not the matter of problems to be solved but a state of domination and subjugation to be ended by a total track

these are both liberal

ok

this one is hobbsy and liberal and this one is american pragmatic

a technocraty

conflict is not about domination and subjugation

specifically

conflict is about the imminence

of an objective contradiction

a objective antagonism

which is by no means

reducible to the terms of domination and subjugation or even oppressor and oppressed

i consider this wrong

in china now you see in the west we want to have this discussion saw this yesterday this is an incredible

incredible video

injured after the c pusa twenty thirty six revolution

guys

the legendary battle

i still don't know who this is

his name is licencal enjoyer

in ju why are we battling i don't even

why are we battling apparently he's a great guy

um full medal is bleftism today posting

ok fine i'll watch

everyone left him today here sorry guys i'm driving at the moment i am a busy person i do have a life anyway i just had a quick question for caleb moppin fans and dangists in general i was watching caleb's last video where he defined socialism and it's so funny because in that exact five minute video i agree one hundred percent with what caleb says but caleb

shoots himself in the foot because he callts angles were angle specifically says that the proletarian movement is about abolishing the private ownership of the means of production and socializing the means of production and it's also about shifting towards an economy that is about producing according to a pre determined plan and producing specifically for exchange rather

than simply following the anarchy of production so caleb is correct in his a

ok

i saw the same cab of video

cabb

mm

has a video of the definition of socialism

but not to speak for caleb himself but i feel like i already responded to it

i responded to a thoroughly

i

to that point specifically

what do you mean by ownership

plan for what

what are the variables involved in your plan

and how are you going to determine production for social

you can't take those things for granted you have to break it down just like the elements of a crime

i'm in law school i know how to break down the elements of a crime

you're just taking for granted your elements

you're taking for granted your elements

none of those things can be taken for granted as to

what they could entail

for example angles doesn't say in socialism

here's an extreme example

society plans for everything

every detail of

every aspect of production

when you have to go take a break and take a shit

that's actually part of production

does angle say that the state is going to dictate

the bowel movement exercises you do to ensure the efficiency of how long it's going to take for you to ship

and the speed at which one must wipe their ass

and how much toilet paper they can consume while doing it

we would all agree that that level of detail is an absurdity

but from a logical perspective

if that's an absurdity

you can you must also

grant

that

it is by no means predetermined

what dee what level of detail indeed

a production process is going to be planned

it's about the ends

not about the details

we all agree that it actually doesn't matter how the guy takes a shitp

just that he does it

and he does it in a way that doesn't

interfere with the ends

gangs logic it it's about whether a cat is good if it catches mice it doesn't matter what the color of the cat is

is a very profound logic

and by the way it's not even one that i agree with one hundred percent

but i just

and here to point out that western leftists have not appreciated the depth

brilliance

and sophistication of this reasoning

how do you determine what it means to catch mice and what it means

for it just to be the collor of the cat

that's a question western lefts havent resolved and in fact western leftist only care about the color of the cat

and don't care about catching mice

and they think that

by choosing the right color of a cat that's going to be a substitute for how well the cat is going to catch mice

that's a fatally flawed assumption to make

does biden want to transform america into planet fitness

yes

i get the same feeling

and that's a fucking nightmare by the way

but

you guys ever noticed how everything

is becoming planet fitness

i've noticed the same thing

professor rdwards you already i'm not sure if you're familiar with them he's comparative economics professor at northeastern illinois university he said i have a question for richard well

and he's a keynesian he's

ok he said bide and win let's imagine you can advise by what specific policy would you like to see inct

i would advise him to resign

mmhmm

you know i like richard wolfullt i love the guy

particularly the l g b t community is cancerous as fuck you are not an idiot you will

are there it looks like there's some nazi shit in this video

so i'm kind of scared to show it onstream

sorry dud

yeah liberals always are pulling the lunk along

i mean um

on the nimbo show

what did they do they started pulling the lunk along

i love that dude i'm going to start using that a lot the lunk alarm

that's what it is

that's exactly what it is the lung alarm

when they call you a genocide denier they're pulling the lonk alarm

i love that dude

check the picks on that ready post

mean i've seen planetf in his

f

but for those who don't know about planet fitness

this is an alarm that goes off

the long alarm is a perfect analogy because

obviously it's not like there's no problems at gjym's

it is fucking annoying when people yell and grunt and shit

not grunts but when they yell

that is annoying and whether excessively noisy

it's annoying

but

this is such a mechanical and inhuman way of dealing with

whatever happened to having a common communal substance

where

there's unwritten common sense

that's enforced socially

and not in force

through mechanical lung alarms

you what i'm saying

a long alarm

's just basically saying i don't care about

you know your who you are

the long alarms going off

whereas the human approach

is basically that

if it is such a common social problem

people will

by and large reject that type of behavior

they'll give you weird looks

they will not talk to you they will conn you will be considered an outcast you will be considered

you know

you know people always talk about how asian societies are heavy on shame

but i feel it's not really asian societies it's just normal human societies

you know

you just will have shame

you'll just have shame on your back

i hate this ude i hate

planet iness a lot

this is real music

is this the year yes

but not because of this

me give me a definition of f

thank

no see here's a thing with bread tu

they they seem

you're tempting me with this

this video

to sing the coin video in the concut video

i'm not going to do that

i'm actually not going to do that

part two

i get it now

that's fucking gross

that's disgusting

in china

this is the guy calling you a shy nazzi on twitter

oh okay so on the least side i came to bring the heat

should i do i want to believe this guy

this guy's only got one hundred views

and ya do he doesn't need me to bolly

he doesn't need me to beullve

animal

nice

fire staff for marijuana use

jesus

biden is doubling down on trump's anti china cold war policy

yeah

that is what is happening

anything else

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for a brief moment in the mid sixties it revitalized the hope that science could control society in a rational way

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i hate to

say something that's going to be unpopular

but

i think this is a cope

i think this is a cot

that it could have been all fine it just was the bureaucrats who ruined it

i think it's a cop

because

it all goes back

it all goes back to square one

why are those bureaucrats

have the ability to stop

because the u s asars problems were so fundamental

that they would have required

political will to solve

and what do you need for political will you need some kind of popular

you needed to politics has to reflect popular realities

there needs to be a spiritual renewal

an ideological renewal

and yes immense political will

and all those things

cannot be

planned for

mechanically or scientifically

i'm sure

many things with computers could have been done

to help the soviet union's economy

but

the people

the end of the day and in the last instance the people are the ones who determine his

when you guys think about the soviet union i want you guys to stop thinking about

what could have saved the soviet union

because

the soviet union's collapse

was inevitable

and when we speculate

on what could have saved it were already participating in the future that learns from the soviet union's experience

the soviet union was ahead of its time

look at this with computers

what he was talking about

now not in a top down strictly top down you know

direct manner but it's more or less what our society has become with big data

the soviet union was ahead of its time w a lot of other things

but it was done it was

the head of its time tragically so

it was ahead of its time tragically so

i want you guys to start thinking about the soviet union

like a message in the bottle that's only supposed to be opened at a certain

on designated point in the future

the bottle will be open

but what the soviet union means

for human history

and most importantly for the russian people

for whom it is the most

relevant and the republics in which

which were incorporated within the soviet union

course

what that means belongs to the future

not the past

that's why some people say the soviet union and that's why i like to jokingly say soviet union never collapsed

never collapsed

it's just on hold

and it's true it's just on whole

it didn't collapse it's not over

it's not over

it's just be gone

has would be an incredibly effective lib converter if he wasn' an angry retard

but i'm not interested in converting liberals

actually

okay i'm going to address

this specific variant of narcissism in the most calm and rational way that i can

this is narcissism

this is an individual

who individually personally

is surrounded by liberals whether on line

or in real life

and he that has forced him to

be impressed with the idea

that the liberals represent

the people who need to be converted because it would be more convenient for him personally

if everyone who was surrounding him in life

agreed with what he thinks

that would be more convenient for you

aaron schwartz

it's not what's convenient

necessarily

for renewed communist movement in america

it's what's convenient for you

i'm sure you would make you feel good

if the people in your life agreed with you

but that doesn't mean it's my job to convert them

and i'm not even sure it's your job either

maybe you need to realize there's a reason some people are just liberal

and it actually reflects their own class background

he's very smart when talking calmly he just fuks up when he gets heated because he doesn't realize but i think the opposite is true

actually

when i get heated

my arguments are so airtight and concise

that they literally feel it literally feels like i'm slicing people's throats metaphorically like

it is so

it is

so much targeted destruction

concentrated into a single point when i get angry

that's when i'm in bad faith angry mode

and i'm just there to fuck you up and rip you apart

and it is so systemic

and so devastating that sometimes i feel bad

it's just you're focused on tone policing me and not actually interested in listening to what i'm saying

when i'm angry

you're just focusing on the fact that i look angry

and i sound angry

but if you actually write write it down if it helps write down exactly the transcript of what i say

and you're going to see the devastation

that's being brought to these enemies

since they don't realize that politics is something that get a motive about instead of being unbiased they're like dogs they listen to tone not content i know but

liberals are not my targeted demograhers

is in

jin jang isn't pronounced like that

cam

having french politics today isn't about what you believe in it's about how you talk about it

you could get ostracized because of c n n to your opinions if you're retarded about how you talk about them

ok

but you're just isolating the most extreme examples of when i'm angry and triggered

and moreover

this is really shitty stupid advice and it's just a waste of my time

there are plenty of people who talk

in the way you're talking and it's to get them anywhere

the's a lot

the majority of people are calm when they talk

doesn't get them anywhere

i downloaded that

so you can you have the right to post it but i also have the right to download it

because i'm just one i'm not like that i'm not doing it as a mode i'm just doing it as anyone else

bes i'm a mandarin speaker i can

help you with pronunciation if you want

sure how do you pronounce it

okay uh

we're done with ready

we're going to get right into the news

let me get what i have lined up

there's a bunch of

ok i just reading some d m s all the pele d m me don't worry i'm going to get back to you

um i just do have time right now

alright let me go

okay

so let's

look at what we have lined up

right

this was something i found interesting

my twitter still banned but

it still works

this is interesting

u s journalists have held significantly more negative views of china

than the general us population

general public

it is fifty percent negative toward china

journalists are sixty two percent

wow

policy experts

what is that

fifty eight percent

isn't that incredible

yeah jarana said the people have sharp eyes the people are ultimately correct

well what do i see this is example of i see this a is an example of the fact that anti china sentiment in the u s is coming from the top down

coming from the top down

i would never give advice to the chinese governments as though i know what i'm doing

but hypothetically

pledging themselves in favor of

anti establishment forces within the uus

and populistic forces is ultimately what it will be more beneficial to china's interests

thean trying to do it from the top down

but i'm sure they themselves already know that

now look at this this is also interesting

the effect was reversed in china with journalists and policy elites significantly more favorable to the u s

what is this a clear cut example of guys i want you to show you this

in the s journalists are over are mostly the majority of them are against china

in china

journalists

our policy expert sorry

are in favor of the u s

what were see

is the intersection of class interests

policy experts both in china and america share a similar class institutional nature

this is why china's

geopolitical

interests

are tied to the mpty establishment position

both within china

and in america

in both

the rise of china civilizationally

corresponds

to the d

loosening of the power of the same people of the same professional managerial

a class and i'm using class very loosely here so don't be a lawyer and use it against me i'm just using it very

intuitively and colloqulally not technically

the the elites in china

are favorable to the u s

the elites in the u s are against china

now doesn't that mean something

what does that tell you

the variable here is class

voh is wrong when he says

that tanks are bad optics no you'r bad optics wash

it wasn't bad optics for trump

that

he was associated with russia

it actually sparked a renewed interest in russia among american conservatives something that's happened that happened in the first time in history

for the first time in history

american rights and conservatives were interested in china in russia

and open to russia

that's what happened

it didn't loosen trumps support

and if it loosened his support it was among

those elements

that were undesirable for trump

different two

from the very beginning which is these

neo conh

adjacent types and trump didn't want them

nor nor did he have any reason to want them they're an acute minority of the population

now

let's

pull up

ok unrelated

so but i wanted to go over this very briefly

andrew yang was smeared by political and a transparent

think

and jimmy dor says some things here

that i would like to show you guys on stream

so if whenever you get to the left of the democratic party

and you're a threat to them they will amer mediately smear you as being a right wing or somehow you are

surreptitiously and nefariously propping up the right wing

while pretending to be left wingers that's that's their that's all

that's what happens to us all the time by the way

they have

they did that to me they did it to first of all did it to joe ro so joe rogan

he comes out

he endorses bernie sanders

what do they do they immediately he but he voted for bertie sanders

first he said he liked tolsy gabberd

who was to the left of the democratic party then he dorses bernie sanders votes for him

and then they smear him as a right winger

right you saw oh he's transpobe he's a massags hes a sexist and he's a right winger that same thing it did to bernie

same thing the have been then not then they did it to me

so here it is i got to their left

and i've made a a big impact would force the votes and everybody knows

who we are and everybody knows that the squads are fraughd

and the justice democrats are failed experiment

everyone knows that

even the founders of the justice democrats are admitting that alexander reed ross is a fucking idiot

by the way

now

isn't this the same guy who said the

russia has the origin of white supremacy in the soviet union was white supremacist

a

dirt backed left starts are flirting with the right and look at that look at that what a nice picture flirt away fll fall for with that mother focker are you kidding me next time somebody tells me to go fuck myself i'm going to get that picture i'll beg that guy get me

so they did that to me and now they're doing it to andrew yang andrew yang is now know was someone else seden mayor of new york

it was' due to him they get their rag political which is now a d n c

frickin brag

says how yang charm the right on his road to political startom

what this is the first this is this is by the way bernie people still need to learn from yang

because there's a reason why a lot of trump people went to yang but didn't go to bernie in twenty twenty

and every time i saw bernie people trying to persuade

yang

the hang people it was so pathetic

it's like they were they were jehovah's witnesses and they were evangelists

and they looked very pathetic trying to persuade yang people

to vote for bernie

and that's how i knew bernie's

campaign was a sinking ship

sys the first sentence

ready this is the first sentence from this article

andrew yangs road to fame was paved with right wing podcast

that's the first sentence and the first paragraph that's the whole paragraph

that's what they want you to do he

is it bad with right wigers

and he should be dismissed he certainly should be in trouble

that's what the political here's the next paragraph

before he joined the new york city's mayor race in january one wment womans

hey guys i'm going to literally be back in one second i'm just going to make my protein shake and be right back

alright y bad let's continue

or appeared on a presidential debate stage during the democratic primary

andrew yang reachs an audience of millions

through shows that promoted a strongly t to progressive point of view

and needed

they bake that salt like that's bad

the whole i whathen i grew up politically

it was considered a badge of butater if you could turn a right winger into being a lefty that's considered a badge if you bring your like with bernie sanders what the fox dow

well it all goes back to this common theme we're facing

which is basically that in america

the establishment

and the media

ah the people in power more or less

have decided to write off

half or more than half of the population of the united states

as irredeemable deplorables

who deserve nothing but to be ruled and lorded over

by silicon valley technocrats and professional managerials based in the coastal

centers

who want to make encroachments

into the fly over states

and be the new

um

be the new lords and masters of this deplorable population

do they want to turn into a class of serfs

os

and then fox news does the orown poll they find out seventy one percent of americans are for single payer health care because bernie sanders w talk to partly because bernie sanders went and talked to them

and he explained so you're supposed to bring the best it like when i went on tucker carlson and i argued for julian assags pardon because he's a real journalist and tucker carlson the number one conservative news so says he changed his mind based on the strength of my argument that's what you're supposed to be doing

so andrew yang brings his

ideas

to

anti progressive shows

that's what you're supposed to do

they're trying to make it seem like something nefarious

that

and it's because

um

it's because

leftists and liberals in america

have

have a

promoted this idea that you don't have to talk to people you disagree with

and they don't know how to talk to people they disagree with

and i know there's someone out there because i'm always thinking about my haters

who's right now thinking

all that's rich coming from you

but i've never actually

been hostile towards someone just because they disagree with

i've always been hostile to people who've earned it

by transgressing

what i consider the basic rules of decent

social interaction

with me

it's not because these people

have disagreed with me that i have become a

so you know

so uh

angry and abusive towards them

it's because

on a personal level

they violated what i consider the basic norms of engagement between

hu human beings

the fact that they' disagree with me is not what's fundamental

during a one interview yang said there are many elements of trump voters that i completely get

and if you want evidence

you can go on our channel and you can watch the several debates

where i'm completely calm and there's no yelling whatsoever

and emphasize with

before describing people who had become

i've never had a debate where the yelling was about

the debate

the yelling was always because they did things

that were beyond what is considered decent and acceptable

on a personal level

it's never been because they disagree with

it's never been because they're bred to

it's never been because of that that i've yelled at them it's always been because of something more fundamental

disaffected with corruption

and checked out

so that's also bad right are and you're not supposed to you're not supposed to identify with any elements of trump voters

you're not supposed to do that's that's bad right re

ya they want one i gota blow on us

right

this siloed way of

interaction with politics and media where you only speak

to people who are already on your side and already only fallin a very narrow category

a people which is coastal

liberals

with their own set of concerns and not try to reach people

who are outside of you now

when i say a this i don't want to sound like i'm endorsing and because i actually can't stand andre i'm having get i'm i'm not on board with g either but i but but i agree with your point that

to go after someone for trying to reach people it speaks to the liberal

it speaks to the liberal myopia that just

is the real is the reason we got donald trump is because liberals want to live in this fantasy world

where hillary clinton was this amazing candidate

and then when she lost instead of looking honestly at

what the problems were with her

and her wing of the party

it was all of the russians fault let's blame the russians now and the g same thing now that

all right that's all i wanted to show you guys

i thought that was really interesting

it's not only what i wanted to show you for the news but from that video

we're not going to watch the whole thing

it's way too long

let's continue

m pulling it up right now

this is ok this is the vost debate

ah hold on let me see if he's still here

there's actually a guy who wants to come on they

that i've been saving it for what

you still there

i'm going to have him come on and

because i

i've been wanting to have this guy on for a long time

but

i've been putting it off

just because i want to like

though i wanted to work in his time zone

and also i want to prepare for it too because

it was going to be an in depth topic but it sounds like he wants to talk about something else

he might not be here though

you might have left

um

okay okay

i'm going to bring one

this guy's name is urban maoism

a i've known him for a little bit on twitter

m he's part of

the cave twitter that's where cocky came from

you guys don't know who cocky is shot out

he's one of the original guests of this show and i

i think he also knows ed berg and

those types of people but this guy's really based

he's really cool

i am bringing no

hey with some men

hello

hey ma was up hey was up

ya so good

for sure for sure man how you doing

yeah pretty good um yeah sorry i'm i'm i think yeah as you i was just sort of you know because you know the the delay on the uh on the stream

yeah we should get

the show about you know i want to sort of talk about the anglo saxon stuff and the normans and the conquest and doomsday

a later day you know we need to get that shit and out you know yeah yeah we got it yeah it's been everything pretty much is my fault when it comes to scheduling anything don't worry about that i've been like

that's the thing like i've been seeing the way you've been sort of going along this like this this this tendency you sorr this trajectory i feel like

i didn't want to sort of intrude on it you know like i like what you've been doing and i like this

but of like the way things have been gone

but like this is why i wanted to come on tonight because like

i so you sort of i i tuned in whist you was sort of like you know like having a kind of you know like seeing like

becoming kind of like pessimistic or seeming you know it seemed like a little bit pessimistic and i feel like you know

we've got to hold the line a little bit you know like we've got to make sure we don't

fall into any kind of pessimism you know we got to stay optimistic you know

mmhmm

yeah i agree

i agree

yeah the topic that we wanted to talk we're going to talk about is is going to be super in depth

and the

i myself wanted to like

prepare some things to talk about it too because i

it's going to be about the origin of the anglo mean but the mean is on the surface misleading

beause

i

well i don't i want to spoil it

weill yeah

just to sort of entice the fuck in the chat a little bit i just want to say like i

you know

the people who call themselves anglo saxons today you know the whites anglo saxon protestants you know the sort of like the wasps

these people are not anglo saxon ok

and what you understand you know as americans and even as english people youh might be watching and people across the world

what people understand is anglo saxons

what has been taught to you is what anglo saxon means

is not all what anglo saxon means it is something which is a complete

uh fabrication

a complete room sort of um

a vulgar romantic

uh version

of anglo saxon society which is grounded in a post norman conquest ideal

but yeah

i don't want to spil too much yeah yeah and i think i

it will really help

allow us to clarify like what we're talking about when we

talk about the whole anglo thing you know on show

so yeah

but anyway

um i think there was a few things you wanted to

yeah i i just what i wanted to sort of talk about is that like i think that you know people

i saw like wast you were talking and you were sort of you know really like you know sort of bearing your heart out you know to people in the stream and i saw oller people in the chat sort of just like

kind of repeat like slowogans and kind of just sort of like

chat like it normally is but i feel like

you would tr try to get at something that you know like people are kind of

i feel like all the people kind of missing the point of what you were trying to say that i think like

it's really important that we realize that like you know we need to

we do need to hold a line and we do need to show ourselves as kind of a have a strong face and

have a strong sort of um

presentation towards the world and towards the sort of

internet left and all the rest of it but at the same time we need to like sort of

have the moments s of take a step back and analyze ourselves right and i think it's really like

you know you you you you you and like sort of the the collective the in forect collective in general like you're you're very good at like sort of um

trying to kind of communicate new ideas and very interesting ideas

through a lens which is pre established and through a continuity which is pre established and i think it's very important

and it's good wlorck

sorry pardon me

it's very good work that you're doing you know i think it's very important work actually

um but i think that people in in in the community need to sort of like

in't know sort of like engage with the kind of um

less in the kind of slogan airing less in the kind of like i like the whole you know guerrillas and sounds and all the rest of it you know it's good shit it's fun shit it's very good it's good to get the energy up but i feel like

sometimes like we need to you know

slow down a bit cool down a bit you know read

engage discuss study i don't know i feel like a lot of it like

we can fall too easily into this kind of lyem

advertising and slogan airing and propaganda without the substance or you know that i think really backs it up

you know and that's what that was interesting about infrared

has a phenomenon really is something which is m

gets across new ideas and new meaning and gives like meaning to something which is you know

yeah been there for a long time but it's not really

in not really reached into the surface you know what i mean

so i this is the thing it's uh it's three a m right now and i'm a little bit drunk so bear with me

yeah i mean yeah i understand what you're saying i mean i

we definitely got a

return to kind of

maybe not exactly the way it was in the past

of infrared but

we definitely do have to start

dropping more pills so to speak

and

yes no

h i' just you know i've kind of talked about why i've been hesitant to do that but i realize now that i got a

i got to get with the program you know i just can't

i can't let the haters defye me

entire yeah you know they're inevitably going to define a little bit about me but

i can't let them have every

you know

yeah

that's the thing man i mean you know you're totally right in saying you know your enemies always define you and that's a thing like you know like your enemies will define you until you win you know like until you win your enemies always define you

and that's the thing

you gould always push on to when

and that's the thing that's the the victory is you know it it seems very like you know hard to see it seems very sort of like clouded right

but it will happen

it will happen i do think so

it's like i mean i'm personally like i'm you know i'm sort of interested like i don't know i find myself in a kind of

crisis of politics right now and in general just sort of all the time

just because it seems very you know cloudy and i

impossible to really delineate these things in like real meanings right you know in terms of like

left right you know marxist a socialist communist it seems very hard to sort of pin these things down and ground these things in reality when

uh reality seem you know seems to sort of slip away from you all the time you know like all these things seem to slip away constantly

and all these words and all these phrases and all these emble symbols and images seem to sort of like

always like collapse in on themselves and become sort of parodies of themselves

but i think it's you know it's it's like i used to be you know i used to be for quite a long time a member of a

marxislinist political organization and i found like

just the kind of the lack of creativity and the lack of an ability to engage properly with the dynamics of the

you know sort of with this like approaching and

approaching post modern life you know is approaching postmodern condition

like it' even these these phrases are very hard to say you know if we are living in a sort of post modern world or whatever you know it's like

it i just feel like a lot of marx linists in the west

have been unable to sort of

face the future right like face the world that we're living in face the world we're coming into

and i think what sort of made me sort of

uh you know really engage and really enjoy your show is the fact that you are sort of

you know not it's not just a sort of question of updating something that already exists right but actually introducing new meaning and new new ideas and imbewing these things into like a real something which is as you say you know worthy

of of the post modern world right like worthy of the contemporary world

yeah i mean

a lot of people don't know this as well but i

a lot of us started out in the same way wet first we were naive

western mmls of some kind

and then we went through that kind of

phrase of the

seeing that it was just too dogmatic and too rigid and too inadequate

but now it's kind of full circle because

i think we've come to appreciate that

the way that the meaning of marxism leninism has been dictated

in the west

uh

the the meaning of that

that

word mark phrase marxism lenism

for the countries in which it has been

it has actual history and

authority

i

it's completely different

it means something completely different there you know

and as west wests have not going to done a good job of actually translating what it means into the west

and that's why when we think of marxism leninism as westerners

we do think of those kinds of really rigid dogmatic you know

people who

very interestinglee you know the

they posture about being simple and concrete and all the things all the ideas you and i acquaint ourselves with and explore

are just nonsense and you know meaningless uh bourgeois

eclecticism or something

but in order to posture about

having a simple simplistic and crude

you know

position

you have to show for it in reality and western marxist leninists do not have much to show of at all in terms of what

right

completely

i mean like you know the western moxmmism to me seems like it's sort of like

i'm know like sort of some of the things i've been thinking of recently it feels like it's kind of like um you know like i know you sort of chat shit about like kaushev in the past right but like

the way because you have rights about hagel right it seems like he's kind of like

turning hegel into this like atheistic like h this like inversion of the kingdom of god right you know sort of like creating this like fuck in like esherton this like perfect state right and i feel like a lot of marxists kind of like

read like in marx or a of them dot read marx or whatever you know but like read around marxism towards this idea of like the sort of idealized kingdom of god on earth right this kind of like

achatological communism and it just feels like it's

you know the one of things i'm really refreshed by in terms of your contempor

is is your the first person i've seen

in like proper marxi leninists you know who goes by the the the the the you know the tradition who goes by the actual tradition

who says that like communism is the real movement actually means it you know

mik

a lot of people sort of use these phrases and use these terms but it actually doesn't have a real meaning behind it because it

the theoretical likeic backing does not actually support that you know

like yeah and communism you know

communism is not the asher top right like communism is not heaven

you know

communism is basically like it's part of the process of history you know it but it's not this like

it's not this like eschatological fucking end point right it's like it it's a

it's something far far greater than that you know

as much as that sounds strange to say that that can be something greater than that you know in

the problem though is that

you know a lot of

westerners especially bred to when they're using these phrases like communism or socialism

they're pretending to use them with authority as though someone has sanctified their specific mean of those words

when i ask them to

show me anywhere in marks where you know

their dog mat dogmatism can be justified

they always come up short

um yeah

and you know it's it's it's it's ultimately coming back to this thing where if we introduce this kind of

darwinian environment of

no assumptions and

the best meaning will have to prevail

i

witnm to clarify that what i mean is that

um if we strip

the pretense to authority these type of bread tou anden even is established m ls in the west have over words like socialism and communism

and you know introduce this

you know

environment where people will actually have to

explore the meaning of these words and actually have to persuade people as to which meaning makes the most sense

based on what we know about history

these people won't survive

they just won't

ah

you know

a

it's ulttermately the fact that

the meaning of socialism and communism

is no authority exists

which just

you know

just makes that meaning self evident

and the

maye especially there's no authority that can that sanctifies one specific definition as eternal and true there just isn't an authority

i think people are struggling to understand that there's no

knowledge authority when it comes to these words you actually have to do the work of trying to make sense of them

right i mean something that i think is you know

something that's that i think you know something i glean from being a a sort of i sappose an activist you know mark lonard's group for a long time was the fact that like

i started to understand as time went on that like right so we need to sort of think about what a capitalist is right a capitalist is somebody who is actively sort of in command of production right so

necessarily right it to be a communist somebody is trying to sort of

and move towards the you know move towards the subblation of capitalism right

you sort of like you have to be active right you have to be actively engaged in that struggle you have to be actively pushing for that struggle whatever that might mean hot that my materialize

right

but it's about like

the active movement right the real movement right it's something that i think this is like the powerful like what i think is interesting and powerful about

sort of your you're phrasing of like a

marxmanism in the age of multipolarity right it's a recognition

that you know we are no longer

um you know with with the hyper connectivity of the world and with the sort of the massive rapid transformation of communication technology

um and also just you know exchange and et ceter et cetera et cetera uh we have sort of now come face to face with the fact that

you know like

our world can no longer really be defined just by the sort of local place that we used to you know that we used to define the world by and like our kind of like the the

what we engage in is becoming more and more of a choice right in terms of like we have more and more sort of free freedom in regards to how we engage with the world in such a strange way right

like and i think you know ho how china sort of like bas like china and russia etc how they sort of present themselves to the world

so i'm probably raunding right now i'm a little you're not since be i do apologize about it don't worry yeah but yeah i think that you know it's like

the way it sort of

china and russia have had their incredibly long and incredibly rich histories of political movement and polit and economic movement

right like we no longer have the sort of luxury of being separate from

right

because of how hyper connected the world is and how

integral actually china

is specifically china to the world economy and to the western markets and and also russia now to the political

uh uh sort of the political scene and especially in the american context and in the british context it's less so but again we had the uh

the what you call it um

the scripble case right in england

um

we had all that bullshit go on

right like russia is integral to to our experience in britain as well in the same way that china is

to england and america and the rest of the world and also how russia is to america in terms of the russian bots prop

right like we no longer sort of have the kind of like

how hypercnected we are its it's you know it's something that like

has been developing and brewing for a long time but it specifically heightened during the cold war

and something which we sort of

were like allowed to forget or allowed to sort of ri re remystify i suppose against like you know it's it's a sort of like re

border ourselves from

i i suppose like from you know d during the kind of like nineteen nineties the kind of victory of the west over the rest of the world uh supposedly

like we were sort of able to sort of push up these barriers again whilst constantly expanding constantly interconnecting constantly globalizing and sort of bridging all these gaps and borders together like you know and breaking down these barriers

and now i think the people who you know

were profiting so much from that sort of disintegration of barrier

are now trying so hard to create artificial barriers in strange places and strange ways

uh to reassert their authority and i just i really you know

i think they're kind of that they're fumbling you know they're fumbling at it you know

yeah i mean that's it that's the perfect way to put it and i really

think it's interesting the angle you're coming from is

is the angle of hyper cononnectivity whereas a lot of people

assume multipolarity

maybe means more disconnect

but

you have to think dialectically it also actually entails a

more hyper cononnectivity so i really like you put it that way

i don't think i um kind of uh

remembered you said

was about that if we're communists it means we're somehow actively

relating to the real movement

communism

comm andd

you know a lot of people say how could you be a communist with a capital c

and you're not part of a formal communist party because that's the meaning of you know being a communist and also

being a party

within the orthodox marxist lenins

perspective is the primary

means by which

an individual can establish an active relation to the real movement

but

the way i put it basically is that

this is going to be like such the biggest bullshit cop out but i genuinely believe it

you have to think about

what how land

thinks ai has relevance for

time basically that

and there is something in the future reassembling

the past

in real time

the same thing is true for what it means to be a communist today i think i think that's howy that's the significance for me of

c p sa twenty thirty six and twenty thirty six is an arbitrary

year it's just denotes it's it's a big number it's a big number which means future exack you are sisely precise i just thought that the number for some reason just

work the best forstic i mean it's like you know i mean of course you can see this in real time like how this number has meaning because you see people you know the they hear the you know c p usa twenty thir says that yeah fuck hell c p s a twenty thir six know like they you know people agree with i agree with it

i'm believen american i agree with it you know

like i think it's sick itet's fucking sick yeah i

and that's the thing people need to really go back and fuck in watch the first episode of infrared right like that's like the

the firt the thing ill stay to the chart is

go and watch the first episode of infrared with with with cockee duty like whata'tch that thing

that's i mean some of the fucking stuff you discuss and that is fantastic

is fantastic like

it's really great conversation

and i think you know this is the thing you were talking about earlier with the kind of the way infra it has changed i really i think you know you you need to i i i really i think both of them have absolutely equal uh value right

absolutely inqor merit

i think you may perhaps you know to give perhaps you know the smallest bit of criticism perhaps you can sort of synthesize it in a better way or whatever you know i don't know like it's up for you to work on that i know i don't agree with one hundred percent it's

yeah i need to focus on actually

in at least some

accelerating the dialectic between them

you know and putting that dialectic to work

n know because yeah

i think at this point i maybe i've kind of deviated too far from it but

you know cocky

to me represents a corner of the internet

that i think needs to be given

needs to be given popular representation

uh mmhmm

like and we need we need to be up to this promethean task of

distilling but not

erasing or forgetting because there's obviously things that the layman is not going to be able to understand from

you know the whole cave twitter

to crowd orever there's

so many brilliant people

in that crowd and i don't want to i know everyone hates being flattered but i would consider you among them

there's so many peros people from that crowd

who

who um

people just don't know about and they should know about and i

i think there's something maybe if there's anything insane about

what we're doing at infrared

i think it's basically this idea that

we can actually confront bread tube with this and if you know about cave twitter you know how like fringe and just

i mean comparatively fringe and

on i mean it's called cave twitter you know

yeah to it as a broad broso for it's also dead right i mean this is yeah think about case to it

it's completely dead and it's like but it still exists you know it's dead but like there's

it there's still people who are active who are associated with

the whole

thing you know

yeah

now these circles still exist and the'se like sort of like you know these little groups and these little groupings and these like

connections still exist they get lost over time wh the actual name has been like lost to time but yeah i think it's kind of funny to think about this like

yeah this this this ca i was you know i said this other day onto it you know like there's a confront it is kind of like a confrontation between like um

brett even cave to it you know like cave to it as kind of i just find it fascinating that the people wo have broken out into

from the cave to i think of course you got people like matt matt matt calcahoun

iteno gothic and all that he was sort of made a name forroim self as the kind of them

the fisher scholar right like you know and other people like that but yeah i think people you know like like like fucking ed berg and his like his work with camp and i mean

my god the camtbots like sort of them

transformation from like the probably the best frot to it a guy

to being like

the best sort of postcase with whatever you know it's like it's fantastic like it's amazing to see these things happen but like to see at sort of like

you know i i i i yourself as well i'm with infrared like you know to see these kind of like um

you know the what would be out of case tit a funny enough is the kind of like tanky side of it right is the kind of neotanky side of it

the people who kind of you know the marxist leninists and the the sort of like futurists

the side of cave to it so that it's like optimistic you know the optimistic side of cave to it

is the one that's coming out not the kind of pessimistic

like landy like zeno fucking feminist bull shit like the kind of you know i want to just live in a hole and be degenerate kind of like shit you know like the people actually like n i want to affirm humanity and i want to be i want to be alive want to be a human being

like and i want to be a communist first and foremost i think that it's fantastic that that is what's breaking through

you know back in the the glory days of like twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen

when i think that was the peak right or maybe i was too late sotily

yeah when i was aliso l i was also light to the gun

h okay yare nice um

ya it's good uh uh

but i

one of the things i noticed was that some one thing that confused me because i

i had views that preceded my encounter with

cave twitter i think

you know i had been as ejackian

vaguely different type of eak in the than most

but

one thing that kind of confused me was that

there was an association between

optimism so to speak or

maybe the revolutionary cuinical position

and a type of naive super naive

tech b optimism of silicon valley

which was associated with the l left accelerationists

and for at first i was confused but when i actually read and engaged with the left accelerationists

i realized why they had such a bad rap because they kind of were that

that naive but

to me

the kind of

big capital c communist optimism

from the twentieth century and stalinism and maowasm and so on

bore nothing in common with the naive silicon valley kind

it was an optimism that acknowledged and

but at the same time persevered to what we would consider the darkest and most

pessimistic nehallistic

the moments of despair that that

humanity faces i mean

they weren't n they were i guess in a sense optimistic but they were by no means

naively so so but one of the things i i mean we all it's a dead trend but

one of the things i

appreciated about

the you know

landian pessimism maybe maybe even the one that was unique to nick land himself

was that at the very least it acknowledged

the bottom

of the pit

like the lowest moment of despair

that a human being can face as as give an expression

ideologically and politically and theoretically

i

i appreciate it because uh

once you

put that into reality

i can finally look at that and say we can

overcome that

we can percht through that

totally

totally i think the greatest like

nick land is a gift to marxists on like multiple levels right like gifts to anyone who wants to critique capital on many many many different levels he's fantastic right on many levels but one the most important levels of that i think is the fact that something for

marxists and i also think christians and religious people in general

muslim christianst cea

to to sort of like to resist against in a certain way

you know to actually overcome in a way which is actually like authentic you know

to take what the is there and to to basically

turn it against him you know

like land wants to sort of override humanity completely right i mean his whole like mean is that he what he sides with the productive forces against the people right yeah you i i think it's like

and you know and on a certain level it's like i think you know

i do have my sort of my my my moments and my sort of points where i'm likeh well you know i have a sort of a massive like some of you know reactionary impulse you know all the people who hate me onto it to you know listen to this you know this will give you a lot of ammunition but you know like i have my sort of reactionary impulses where i think like yeah fucket man i just love human beings i hate technology blah blah blah you know like but that is another form of nihilism

at the end of the day it's a complete form of nihilism you know like

this is the thing you know what's been great you know like sort of watching the show is it sort of it's made me like the you know you your you guys have alreadytt kick me up the ars like ok times actually fucking read d toet you know properly actually read ideet and it's like oh my god what a revelation you know what a fucking revelation

like it's truly broaden my perspective

immensely in terms of how a human being relates to

themselves and and to the world you know

andyh that a suicide anyway

um i think le at land um

i consider him one of the most brilliant

thinkers

in the canon of marxism

and i always viewed land

as

a challenge

and those marxists

in the west

i mean i don't think

chinese intellectuals have to care about

glad so to speak

but those marxists in the west

who cannot

face

who cannot face land's challenge

i consider them

the epitome of

hypocrisy and i

weakness and sterility

i mean

i would much rather

have a guy like nick land

who gives expression openly and honestly

theoretically

a to all of the most

pessimistic

despair that dwells within

our heart

then then a lot of you know

so called marxists and socialists and obviously bred tube types

who

do give expression to this ugliness and wickedness and bitterness and

neholism but very indirectly and

passively and unconsciously

ah it's like almost like

in a way you just have to watch someone like vosh

to get the same feeling of despair than when you read land but the difference is that land is

open and honest about it and he actually makes sense of it in some way theoretically and

owns up to the challenge it poses to us

as human beings

whereas

even though land surrenders the challenge and embraces it

but i also really agree with you when he said

the the position against technology is the other side of the same coin it's just as it's also neostic

well t's di s tell to

but you know at the same time

the

it's also extremely reductionistic

to kind of

i hate the kind of

people who think like lawyers and just try to dig dirt on others oh we you were flirting this and joking around with it

and that means you

wholly identified with it

it's just

obviously we all have reactionary tendencies and we all

entertain different you know

we're we are we all have a spectrum we not maybe yeah ok yeah i'm not abliast

sorry don't cantah i mean just tell you r i mean is the thing that is really refreshing about people on sort of cave twitter und of things compared with other kinds of like sort of i don't know like sort of like

study scenes that exist on the internet right and political and philosophical scenes or whatever the fuck like it's cre to talk about this shit or whatever but like you know the thing that is interesting about when i was actually engaging about it is people are more open

to discuss like ischose let's say like you know

what is the actual importance of like you know the eurasian movement right like what is the actual importance of like h

a people from as disperate as like how can left distanteract with

uh h uh nick land how can you know or like how can people of a sort of socialist or communistic sort of like tendency interact with land interact with ogin interact with these strange

uh sort of post modern figures you represent something which

to this sort of like

uh more boring you know uh varxist more boring leftists just this kind of like terrifying like you know oh no it's uh it's not modernist it's not like

within my very strict frame it's not within this like very clear you know cozy twentieth century model that i've constructed around myself or this like you know to broaden it's this like very cozy post trend revolutionary model right like you know these people who sort of seem to repudiate everything i fee know thought about and everything i think and all of my modern history or whatever like the fining is good about ave twitter andy thing is good about these kinds of you know tendencies and these kinds of likeh scenes is that they are actually open you know i had a great discussion you

today with some people

uh about you know why i think that like um

uh uh you know the the the russian radical scene rath radical politics is like an indication of the breakdown of of like um

of modernism right and like you know in russia you have like a

on the one hand obviously the national bolsheviks that everyone fuking harps on about you have other movements you know

you have r and you have all these different movements and you know marzles fucking little strange tendencies strange groupings and things which in their like in their language in their symbolism sort of

combine the entirety of their own nation's history in itself right like you have combinations of like you know the the sort of like the the imperial eagle with the hammer and sickle with like tar nicholas and stalin and you have all these sort of combinations and convergences

and i think' is really like an attempt i think to sort of like

this is not something that's fully formed yet i'm still trying to sort of work the out and like write some stuff on it but like

m so you know wastch the space or whatever but like

you know it it it's like i i think it's sort of really trying to like create a new language right i think it's like people are trying to sort of

through like sort of assembling and kind of like

experimenting and you know alchemically experimenting with like all this like old language and these old forms these twentieth century forms

really trying to break through i mean like something that caleb talks about all the time and to to for good reason

is the fact that like in china now maw and confucius are taught side by side

you know and that's such a significant thing that's such a significant thing that people just don't

us discuss you know and again i like caleb for this because he discusses it and he realizes how important this is you know like the civilizational importance of this like it's something which

draws together a sort of a consistent thread throughout all of history right

as a way to kind of break through into the new world that is coming you know the new reality which is coming

which is which is going to

you know which is materializing more and more as like

we sort of flow towards like at disintegration more and more and more and more there are forces in the world which actively trying to be ready for it and to sort of present themselves to and use everything that has been learned

and not

falling into dogmatism and not falling into sort of

with little like axioms and with little codings and things like this is a way to kind of like defend themselves in themselves against it right

we're trying to you know as i think you you you have the right language for this to be worthy of it right like

i think it's something that you see in russia specifically in russia's and in china specifically right like

that in the west we've kind of been sort of caught up in in rejecting right is a ways a sort of sp coping mechanism a defense mechanism

and i think it's really dangerous for for westerners to kind of act like this because it means that like you know you know as much as you know we like to sort of talk on you know ho on about like how great china is like you there are great things in in

i don't you know believe in western civilization as a universal like total thing right of course the there's many different western civilizations right like england is a civilization right like you know france et ce germany there are many different forces civilizational forces you know that exist right

and and they they should they deserve and they they need to sort of confront the new world the coming world in an authentic way

and i think you know russia is just ahead of the curve on this right i feel like

i mean you know when lennon talks about like the sort of the weak link in the imperialist chain right i think there's a kind of similar dynamic going on right where where russia is kind of like the weak link in the post modern chain but i mean that's like a massive sued right now you know n know like i think united states you know

yeah a few things um you said a lot of really interesting things

that the last thing you said i think you know i always try to emphasize this

to me learning from china isn't about copying chinese culture but

it's actually about learning

learning about how we can reconcile

the the

popular and national realities of our own specific countries and their histories and their traditions

how we can rediscover those things after modernity

and that does apply to the west as well especially europe and obviously the

obviously also the u k as much as we have the anti anglo mean

it know

the u k is full of

i

real national realities among which include the

english reality reality of the english people

um yeah

and these are

this is a

there is here a civilization

that real history and civilization it's just that

after this period of modernity that civilization has been exclusively defined in the outward form

by colonialism and

period yes and so on

but

that there are latent

forces latent

national realities that have long been forgotten even within the west

that

i think

ah

only the chinese

model provides an example of right now

to exhume

excuse sorry i'm saying that correctly

to

on earth you know and rediscover

um

and i

another america is a little bit more complicated though because

america is not really a nation at all

but i guess a separate conversation but im

another thing you mentioned was about russia and

literally

my own thoughts personally and also in our collective it's literally like we're

we've arrived at the same thing completely independent from each other because

actually also that way of describing russia of

all of these seemingly amorphous and

chaotic

as you put it al chemical combinations between different forms

as a way

as a way in which this deeper striving to break out of

classical modernity

is being given it's exactly

you know

how we're looking at it as well and actually

russia specifically

russia specifically

has a unique

way of giving expression to that spit that very contradiction between

of forms

which i've located

in

theological terms of the specificities of

russian orthodox christianity

to me just to elaborate a little bit more about this

to me the same contradiction you're describing whether it's the national bolsheviks and all the other types of crazy

contradictory syncreticisms and stuff

this fundamental

dwelling within paradox

and contradiction i think you can even find this in the novels of a guy like nabocot what's his name nabak the guy who wrote lolitta

but he also a guyeah he also wrote another novel pale fire

pale fire and it's about the same thing it's about this dwelling in contradiction

which you which was the emblem of the russian empire the double headed eagle and what is that if not the confer east and west right

and then it's not a coincidence that's fascinating the soviet union the hammer in the sickle the peasants who represented the

eastern russian national kind of mission and then the hammer which represented the kind of western madernity

so russia i feel i think has always

related to the fundamental

contradiction

and in igelian terms

the contradiction is the absolute

object

it's a contradiction

each civilization just relates to it differently but the way russia specifically relates to it is

through this type of dwelling and freezing specifically

freezing the contradiction in time

and then dwelling

in not the form of the contradiction but

the contradiction in the form

if that makes i myself sound ridiculous tt saying this but

but how i put it better of coause we we we have to sound ridiculous when we talk about these things you know because it's s ri ridiculous uh subject matter right i mean like first modern first identity is ridiculous like

yeah of course of course

i is pretty interesting what you're saying about orthodoxy though right i mean because like the orthodox russian orthodox church like it grounds itself on this kind of like adoration of the church fath this right it grounds itself on this idea that it is like the true church which finds lineage right back to the foundation of jesus christ right and it sort of it goes right back to the church falls it grounds itself not so much as the catholics do and is the thing about the catholics that fascinates me is the catholics kind of sort of ground themselves on

this like legal documents aentually right that like

essentially like the you know that that the empres sort of g gave to to the pontiff like their dominion over rome and all this stuff but it turned out to be a complete forgery right whereas the russian orthodox juche doesn't rely on this the russian orthodox jurge also doesn't rely on a pontiff you know it has multiple patriarchs and and you know whole

very very dynamic

ecumenical hierarchy

in relation to like all the metropolitans and and the patriots and all that stuff but it grounds itself on like

this intense like ritual this intense like

asceticism you know and this like

the desert fathers in this kind of like

removal gans in a way and you know from from um

from the world right and it is this kind of like you know like you know that um that zcene that was created by those american converts to russian orthodoxy uh h sort of death of the world

um you know it it's this sort of like and and it typifi it comes from a quote from i can't remember which church father it was but one of the church fathers who basically was saying like yes you know

like uh uh the world means pleasure worldly pleasures the world means like you know these kind yeah you know christian stuff all the rest of it you know but yes it's it's interesting you know like

orthodoxy ground itself much more in this kind of the contradiction between the hebrew and the hellenic traditions righte in a way which

catholicism does not

as much openly confronts i or openly discuss whereas

you see in russian orthodoxy i don't know so much about greek orthodoxy to be said i don't know m but i do know a little bit about russian orthodoxy in this regard like it grounds itself much more in this kind of contradiction in this strange relationship between the hellenic and the hebrew right and certainly i think science more with the hellenic in this regard right is much more sort of like platonic

in its attitude towards faith

um

you know it'f my flatmate he that he's a proper christian he'll probably give be shit for this be probably some incorrect interpretation but you know know everything i know it's it's precise about russian orthodizes it is precisely that contradiction it is the contradiction

on between

maybe the old testament metaphysics

which i think orthodoxi still grounded within

and

oh thous

yeah

that

and then

hellenism

which

well what let me clarify what i mean by that i think by the old testament metaphysics i mean the kind of

almost demyurgic

kind of

almost spinoza like

view of the imminence of

material imminence right

is that kind of in censor

yea i mean if you see like you know in in in like uh

in sort the interaction between likem

like like like abraham god right like the conversations they have with each other it's incredibly like you know this is thing like you know christianity like christianity proper

like um has this relationship of likeu you know like like like god is through christ right christ is is the corporealization of god

and and the the corporalization of god so you have like the father somehow you ho go holy spirit right but like you know christ is like god made flesh or god made matter right god corporealized um

but you have in the old testament

some tams on the surface to repudiate that in the fact that god speaks directly to abraham

i'm not so i'm not i'm not fantastic it is a scholar i can't g you know whats intuitively speak marx also talks about it in the connotation is basically that

judaism was more religion of imminence whereas christianity is kind of a religion of transcendence you know marx writes that christianity is the sublime thought

of judaism

and that's the way he would he put it into expression but

i think that the way orthodoxy

relates to the

relates to contradiction is basically that

it dwells in this moment of contradiction in which

yes we are still within the old testament world

but there is one moment of transcendence of transcendence

which

which is a

which is a moment

of contradiction a type of

hole or a gap in this

iiman at this um

material world of pure imminence there's some type of hole some type of gap

within it

which is this moment of transcendence

um

which is this moment of transcendence that

resulting from the crucifixion or i don't know resulting from a such a worrible way to put it

but sure to me to me

the um

oh yeahyeh this what i want to say that's what that's how i this freezing within the moment of contradiction the necessity of giving expression to the contradiction by dwelling within it by freezing it in time i think

the orthodox idea of the the

catahan is that how you sae it

cata on

yeah the the the the thing that prevents

the apocalypse to me

apocalypse the way i interpreted the orthodox apocalypse

is

this

kind of a

consequences for the old metaphysics that is

opened up by the christian the christian transcendens actually being realized

like

so it's to recap basically

you begin with

the metaphysics of the old testament

and then there is a moment of transcendence

in christianity

but the consequences this transcendence has for the metaphysical old testament world

are not yet realized and they must it must continually be postponed

and cannot be allowed to be realized because this means

that this means the end of the world

and i think another way to you can you can then

there's so many ways of actually interpreting that and looking at what that means it also reminds me of

it to me it's very contian in a sense it reminds me of kind of the way in which

ah

the way in which the consequences of the contient transcendence which is a more

technical philosophical world

are not allowed to be realized

metaphysically or else the the phrase contians use for this is

metaphysical enthusiasm if we go out and try to actually develop

the thing in itself or

the absolute object we're engaging in a type of metaphysical enthusiasm this is how contins reproach

hegelians actually

and there's this weird affinity or proximity between russian civilization

uh and card

uh i mean in in the modern age i mean i mean you can see this uh

reflected in the neo contian trends

that lennon was dealing with it his time but also

um

beyond that and theother thing i wanted to say finally was that

another way of looking at the concpts you mentioned the pt the significance of the patriarchs of the church fathers

i think

the main significance of

sociology are you familiar with what this is

sociology i'm not n i'm not i'm not so much basically a guy his name is vladimir sol lo i forgot his last name

he was a russian theologan mystic who introduced a fourth

some type of fourth

i don't know what to call them elements to the trinity

which was the di which is the feminine

the feminine divine essence the feminine divine

basically

there was a fourth right

and this is basically the beginning of what's called sophiology now this same guy actually wt to look him up right now so i know his name hold on so it's his name was

um

vladimir soul lve

so love you of so love you of that's how you say so love you of he became

a type of syncretic who tried to bridge

aout russian orthodoxy with western catholicism western eastern christianity

but the reason why

ah

the reason why

he introduced it ok instead of laughing just correct me dude i don't i' maybe it wasn in the trinity ws talking about something else

and i think from what i'm seeing now i think i think you're you are right you know what you's saying you are you're correct is it is introduction of a fourth instance in the trinity yeah ok just just it's been i'm kind of dusty on this you know it's a

it's been a long time since it's really interesting i was i sort of skimming over it but is really interesting stuff and yeh you know it i started to call you off internet atually know continue ok sory just really quick

what what i the way i put it is that

the reason why it makes sense that he was a syncratic is because he was actually making something

that was always implicit

in russian orthodoxy

this you know feminine essence you know because

femininity in the west in the history of civilization is associated with mystery

the unnameable sacred you know

prohibited

uh

aspect of reality i

he he put that in explicit terms

and he translated

something

that was untransllaateable

he t he made it

intelligible

from the western perspective

but in reality russian orthodoxy

also other eastern religions including islam they are always latent with this type of

feminine divine

but

it only works like practically it only functions

in religious terms

if you don't actually name it directly if you name it and explicitly reference it

it becomes something else does that makes sense or m yeah yeah totally i mean

you know what this has got me thinking is that like

and this is definitely goinga going to i think this definitely be quite something quite interesting for you in sort of your um your critique of uh uh uh in uh anglo saxon sort of what you call anglo saxon like uh moternity and all that is

if you look into like um

people like john d right like who was who was like you know uh you know queen elizabethh called alchemist divine all the rest of it right

and and also the guy who funnly enough found came up with the term british empire so that's a whole kind of one in itself right but like he was functioning off this idea

that there is a hidden fourth in the three right a quadrnity in aternary right

and and and and sort of

he was working from this like

hemetic uh tradition you know like he was kind of like a um you know protestant h mystic you know

although you know someone in the chat probably critique you for saying that whatever i'm just trying to be simple but you know like he's a protestant proestant mystic but like you know he was you know pushing for this whole he thought he could communicate with angels etc etc he was sort of in a kind of land thing he was sort communicating with the outside right you know like he was kind of like communing with

the outside and sort of you know informing himself based on this and kind of trying to like immonitize the end of the world trying to immanitize the apocalypse essentially

through this process of co talking with angels but like he was foundational him and people like francis bacon

and like william shakespeare et ceter all these like fund fundamental people um were very very influential like you know he's just never talked about right but like uh not so much but people like bacon and shakespeare you who are in his circle right like you know or i say william shakespeare people um need to look up the work of a guy called alexander war so they can get um red pilled on the uh

h who shakespeare actually is so i just you know put out people look up ax on the walk at red pl and shakespeare question yeah like

people who are running in john de's circle

m we're all sort of obsessed with this idea of a hidden foth in the trinity right but

they were sort of functioning on the psychometic idea that the hidden fourth was man right the hidden fourth was man himself right and there isn't sort of

a masculinity there right there's a kind of like there is a you know it's not just about men men but the humanity this's mascuine humanity and it's not this kind of appeal to wisdom it's kind of like the hermetic like

wisdom that is sort of the divine spark of mankind that is part of the hidden you know the hidden forth in the trinity

right and i think you could probably if you look into this he could probably get a better critice than i can

i

of the distinction between

eastern um sort of like eastern uh theology versus like uh anglo saxon english theology so i think you know that that probably be quite a good rabbit hole for you more than more so than me

yes i want to say on that matter i think it just reminded me of that because i think the's something quit interesting that the connection actually might be more

it might be more relatable actually because

the sociologist

the way they would describe the meaning of the sopia is that the sopia is the body of humanity

represent body of humanity yes and the

coje alexander coje was also very much influenced by

by sophia his work on the state

his specific work you

i have it right here the outline of the pon not notes on the outline of the phenomenlogy of right this was actually directly influenced by the sociology the sociology which takes into account

the body the body of humanity as opposed to the the classical modern state which is just this kind of a

the logos for the mine

right

but anyway m

not to not to ramble in that direction but to go back to the thing you were saying about bakon and john de and stuff you know what i find so tragical is that it is

i'm trying to think of the movie that this reminds me of

that it explores this

specific tragedy but

when we go back in time and we read about these people and actually read what they write in

including frant people like bacon

we come to realize that

they tend to be almost a

very agreeable like

you tend to read them and you think wow the they're actually on to some

you know

mm

but yet even i

very often will be like all the the dogmatic baconian metaphysics

and you know

obviously im

shitting on

anglo you know dogmatism and

but when you actually go to the roots and the origin

you will find something

a very different

then what the kind of

the dogmatic consequences of it

that's what i think is what i mean why it's a tragedy like

when you go back in time

the

caught the the original

thing was different than its actual consequences

if that makes sense

um

the consequences in terms of like

the way people filled in the blanks

h yeah in i mean you can say the same thing with marx right exactly y it's like i i feel like that's where you're leading with this right i mean you can say the same thing with people like marx and you know

sorry for the chat but you can say the same thing with lennon and you can say the same thing with all these people right i mean it's like it's very

and i mean something i was you know sorry to sort of like

kind of

derail quite a bit back but it's something i was thinking about in terms of the british empire like um

i don't know i it's something that i a was like a was a kind of like um

prel youe to the discussion we're going to have later on i think that sort of like

there's something very sort of strange that's like happened um as a response to like sort of this like you know massive you know just you thing abut john de and all that like and and break bacon like

thinking about it you know

this kind of like a

the british empire sort of does feel a little bit to me like it was kind of like resolving a lot of like

england's kind of very very strange internal contradictions with itself i mean like the kind of relationship that england has always had between like

it's uh anglo saxons uh celt celts and uh normans right i mean like there's a sort of

three poles of like english civilization the kind of the germanic

anglo saxon paol

uh the kind of celtic pol and the kind of like french um

also very roman normans right and how they imported it right i feel like something

about like

breakait right as a moment i

kind of feels to me because i lot of people kind of like sort of

don't sort of understand where what breks it is i think like breks it like to them sort of feels like something which is like

purely like this kind of irrational stupid you know proletarians being stupid you know all they don't understand what their best interests are they don't understand like what they need in this life they don't understand like what is best for them and it's like

it's not that they don't understand you know what's best for them what is necessary for them it's that they know that what is told is the best for them is not what's the best for them you know they understand that actually like

to live properly to live and exist properly you'd have to have a little bit of risk

involved right and to assert oneself and to assert oneself as a as a collective body even if that collective body is not understood as a collective body as just yet

but it's becoming

as such right we i think in england and in britain were kind of

rediscovering a sense of like nationhood and a civilizational importance

i think what really comes apparent

as time is going on

is that the people who were the real successors to the british empire

the real pro imperial forces

are the remainers the people who vote remain

because you know fundamentally i think that're the people who sort of

they want a seat at the table you know they want to be big they want to be strong they want to sort of like

you know hold both the special relationship with you know the biden america and all that you know that of course they were skeptical about america when trump was in office now that trump's out of office they're not skeptical about america at all as to be expected right like but you know that they want to maintain their like relationship with the big powers of america with germany with france with europe all this s they don't really want to

ah they don't really want to sort of exist by themselves alone and actually interact with the world on a sort of equal footing with the rest of the world right they want to be a part of this big club this big powerful club

h where they're alone the they're separated from the rest of the world and separated from like real countries right they want to be sort of better than that and i feel like that's the real successor of like empire i know this is a massive tangent and derailing but it's just something that i feel likeyway i needed to say you know

i think i think it's relevant because

empire can mean different things

empire british empire obviously

has a

very specific connotation

but

one thing i've um

noted before is this idea that

sometimes empire seems like it's interchangeable with polarity

and

the u k

mm

of course the crown the what the british crown represents is reactionary

but a big i like to see big people's polarity

maybe

is possible within the uk

on the basis of equal relations between the constitutional

a nations

but um yes i totally agree mmhmm

that that i was i'm one hundred percent with you when it comes to your view and analysis of like one hundred percent that this was exactly our analysis the remainders

represented empire and in the sense of y

when i always use the word i

anglo empire or whatever they are the remainders are precisely the epitome of that

precise one hundred but this is the thing this is exactly why this is exactly why we're not going to get into it now this's exactly why we need to have a more long form discussion

where it's not like four a m and yeah like you know oh s i'm so sorry my n no don't worrybot it man i' i mean you know i'm animated you know like this is a good conversation um but yeah the only problem i have is i'm running out cigarettes but yeah like uh it it's yeah this is something that we need to get into properly because i feel like

this is the thing about like what like

to me and to sort of some of the people that i'm talking with and sort of working with i

on like you know our un to the political process and things

is we see something in the anglo saxon tradition in anglo saxon kind of you know principles of the

the lieutenant gmot and the fok moots

and the um the system of like uh

meeting places the see system of the hundreds

um with with the elective monarchy

uh with the kind of ango sx and judicial system

with the relationship between anglo saxons and the ai kings

a lot of a lot is there which has been lost to time which i think still has its remnants

in the foundations

of english civilization

that has been sort of like

become like like sort of i don't know how to describe like dormant code or like sort of sleeper code within it

which i think has been

partially reawakened by the brexit vote

um

and it's something which is you know i mean this is i think we have to talk about especially is jeremy corbyn right big problem with the left is jeremy corbn is the americans i mean i remember i a re like i

people like chappel traphouse or what peop you know groups like chappel trapouse or whatever they fucking love jeremy corbyn and that's exactly the problem right with these people love jeremy corbyn and that is who loves jeremy corb you know

es like

sorry go ahead

n you know you go oh ber i was going to say

one of the means i have that i always say but i never i don't actually say it often onstream i say like internally is that

the biggest problem of the american left and the british left

is the other

the other

mike

the biggest problem for british left is america america's the number one problem the americans are shitting it up

for the people in the

the u k

but also in it's our elites both of our professional managerial elites

ore bad influence like

we for example you know that guy nathan robinson

yes i do think he represents the worst of that

as it's being in fes on on america but

at the same time that both of our elites are the worst thing for both of us

we can also exert

good influence

based on a new type of insurgent

like

to me the ideal is the unity between whatich you

think i've you saw the primeordial anglo

people

like the real which is that's rooted in the people it's not

the

what i what i say on stream like when i mean by anglle i mean like these elites

which yh yes dirctly not

something demotic nick land used likes that term you know the word demotic is like

the roote word is demos so people and

ya deman ya

i

an american demos demontic

these two can have a

positive mutual

relationship

but i wt hundredly be that this is the real this is the real special relationship which should exist right the special relationship

i don't know if this word is so popular in america

uh this this phrase special relationship but it's something that's trying to run a lot over here

to do with ouur cockery to the to america because they call it a special relationship real special relationship

should between the people should between you know as you say the demos of the anglo saxon people

and the celtic people with

the man

and you know specifically bregit i'd like to use that as an example ag and to actually because it's a it's a way of thinking about the problems we have in america people w approach me would be like

well

well that's kind of chauvinisty because then that means you're against the irish people and the scottish people

and you're siding with english chuvinism and the i said

listen

the status quo in the establishment is what sanctifies that chauvinism

when you return to the primordial roots

you can reset the relationship between these different national peoples on a new and fresh basis

and that's how i respond to people in america when they say well the populace in america are not

really good on the on racial politics and then i said

but the establishment here is what sanctifies racism

when you go back to the roots

in the people

it's yes you're going to begin with all this prejudice and racism and chauvinism

but only then will you have the opportunity to resess the relationship for example between white and black

america on a new basis based on a new footing between equals

it's always the is yeblishan that hypocritically

sanctifies

prejudice while at the same time pretending

that it's the sole recourse against it the the british establishment which was pro remainer

always pretended that it was

the epitome of anti racism

and that oh look it were london progressives and were all a

you know we have no racism we have no prejudice it's all

you know multicultural diversity and it but theyre they are th

they are the structural and political incarnation

of the real

the reality of for example chalvinism that exists in

united kingdom

yes many of the remainers may be racist and chauvinist

but

it's an open confrontation with that

uh based on

a dialogue between

wri

revolutionary partisans and etiologists

and the people it's an open kind of

a way of

confronting that and by confronting i don't mean like you know

cancelling i just mean like engaging with it working with it and

yeah somehow addressing real disclays

yeah a real discourse yeah exactly a real dialogue between

the progressive forces and the people and

oh that's the only hope there is because

i

the way i this is maybe going to sound super complicated and convoluted but

the way in which establishments and institutions interpolate

the population

incriminates

those establishments

for all of the racism and lvinism and so on that may prevail among them in other words

if you want to look at the cause the real cause

of

racism and so on in the united kingdom

you don't blame the people

you look at the institutions and establishment which is

which has hegemony over interpolating

only a new basis for the their interpret interpelation will allow a platform for some new type of change to happen

completely i think i think you know it's like if you think about you know the people who you know if you think about i used to be a part of mak d of organization which was both

and pro brexit and pro irish independence at the same time right

which is seen by establishment you know figures and protalishion figures who are absolutely not establishment i think they want to be

you know you deal with the same people in regards to vouch or whatever ps the ouch but we deal with the same people in terms of outleft right

who sort of like sa like oh how can you be pro brexit

out the same time pro irish unity right it's impossible to have that position right but it's not at all impossible to have that position it's actually completely correct to have that position

it's completely you know it's absolutely completely adequate to have that position right it's something which is like

it's been it's been sort of stolen from us the that the ability to sort of

make clear that like brex it is not an expansionist sort of like pspect this position of england sort of expanding itself over the whole country right is a position of england and scotland and ireland and wales being able to assert themselves as real entities that exist

as as real things which exist outside of this universalizing

a germanising force of europe

and i think this is the thing like i think

the next phase of the brexit movement right which is not over brex it is not over brex it is not an event brex it is a it was b it was an event the couse of process to unfol and revealed

two people in this country the possibilities of political action in terms of asserting sovereignty

asserting autonomy and asserting what is now nationalsm right now a kind of nationalism in the future

will be more than a nationalismll be above nationalism

um something which is

it takes the core of nationalism the impulse

both the progressive and the reactionary impulses which which lend themselves in sort of

a are revealed by nationalism and into something else i mean you know the way that the trump right you know the way that people always compare trump to brexit

is actually completely correct in comparing them right in terms of like demagoguery

like people like boris johnson nigel farage and donald trump

all

give like a reason in the sense as you would say a sense to tw to two people's actually existing impulses actually disting resentments and passions and rages and feelings and and intense you know intense passions right

it gives sense to them but these denagogues

do slip away in time right these demagogues are only representations of these things right they only give sense these things in time but the actual

these people do not manufacture in themselves these positions right

brex it was not manufactured by nigel farage it was brexit even itself is not like what brexs it really is like that the word itself is incredibly problematic right it's brexit and nigel farage and all these figures

and all these movements and events and things

are indicative of a wider process of people rediscovering themselves

in face of a rejection of universalism

in face of a reject and it's exactly the same thing and this is the thing that i'm trying to get through to people in my university

m which is an incredibly like liberal progressive oke university

i'm trying to get across that you know post colonialism decolonization and brexit are basically exactly the same position it's exactly the same position

and you know this is the thing which like you know i think this is why

furth political theory and do get sorry you know to piss people off right you know like do get is so important in this regard is understanding that like

no to be effectively anti racist is on a certain level to assert some kind of thing which looks like nationalism right like

that rejection of universalism requires some kind of ugly or or not requires but comes about with an ugly face initially right it's a kind of ugly face which then becomes beautiful in time you know

like it's something which

yeah yeah you know i'm rambling but you see what i'm saying here right no one hundred percent on hundred percent n i do want to save a lot for our talk but

one sho i'll add to that is that

h one of the things that intrigued me about twenty fifteen corbin for all his

faults the original one

was this idea of reindustrialization and the revival the u k s national economy because

that's wheth the farted that go wheth the funt did that go

that's what really stuck with me

as something that left this in the u k i think should have

focused more on was the this fact that

what let's be basic marxist what in reality does the e u mean for the people of the united kingdom

it means the reign of financial parasites

and the complete repression and annihilation of the actual national industry and economy that is the wifeblood and

you know

deep

found economic foundation of

british sovereignty basic national sovereignty

and

ah mm

this was completely dropped and gone and the

to me that i feel like that is actually

how we can analyze break not reduce brexit in this vulgar morxist way but

we can analyze brexit as some type of longing for

some type of return to having a real

economic foundation

as opposed to hes

the eu

means for the u k turning the u k into a service economy

now what people yes what what people with any dignity

whatever accept such a

you know degrading arrangement

of what

yet being rendered service workers

and not having any you know

you know that the history of le this long i don't i don't want to ramble too far about the landpill

not the nick land the actual land reform bill

in the u k s there's such a deep in primordial significance of land

in relation to politics

you know you go back to the land enclosures which was the origin of prolgyzation

and then i'm sure you have a lot more to say about

even further back you know with the norman conquest and before the norman con conquest

no people can exist without land

and the e u meant

a new type of fundamental landlessness

and

after and

in the midst of

the british people's d industrialization

yes completely and i think

something that the british left needs to

m need needs to confront in themselves

what is the fidelity to you know the labor party and especially the that sort of the kind of the myth of old labor

the myth of people like um you know like uh and this is going to be very contentious for any people who are british listening to this who are leftist sorry about this but you know not actually mus lenist is usually good on this right the they understand why old labor is bad but you know

um people like nib bevan and clement atley right especially cklement atley like

clement atley was the beginning of like you know i sort of like try to think of it like sort of like and you know the five heads of marxs and leninism right

the kind of like the three heads of of of like english like the

the kind of transformation of england and britain in general

so i am a bit of an english chauvinist in my language but you know i am what i am

um but you know like uh uh the sort of the three heads

is clement atlete margaret thatcher and tony blair they are one continuity they're very clearly one continuity

because what happened on the climate at the with the sort of development of the war and the kind of the massive shock of the war the trauma of the war plus the sort of

massive explosion of productive capability

and information technology that happened because of the war you had this ability to sort of you know that the slogan of was you know

ah we've won the war now let's win the peace right

and what that meant was let's apply what we have learnt during the war to society let's mechanize in a way which is actually information based right

it's like that that's mechanize

um and it's kind of like cyberonetics basically right let's like let's organize society

according to this like um this like uh like like nationalization is kind of like a logic of like organizing society based on merit organizing society based on like efficiency

and what that leds you with the massive like you know production of sort of the construction of like council flats and like

great for people who are living there right people who lived through horror and needed somewhere to live and needed life and needed like fantastic in that regard right but you can't help but sort of notice if you look into it for a little bit that there is a direct continuity between that development and what later happened with thatcher's financialisation and then later on with tony blair's managerialization

right like there is a direct continuity that the groundwork was with and i don't like to think to you tell you logically but i think this is quite this is quite correct i do think you know this this this construction of like

the nationalized economy the nationalized state state owned

industry in this way in this capitalists youo kenesian

a way

did lend itself very much to thatcher's

a financial revolution that took place you know

and i think you know the british left realdly has to contend with this right in their own history because they're so wedded to

to clement atley they're so wethed like the institution of the national health service the institution of the welfare state so much as it is nowadays that

you know the welfare state as as

this is the thing people don't realize that most council flat buildings were meant as temporary tenements right and not most but a lot of them

a lot of them were met as temporary tenements a place called excalbor state which still exists this day which is

temporary like housing units

very like you know like basically prefab units which were meant to be torn down within years of their construction and they exist to this day right it's these these things were meant to be temporary and they were meant to be temporary because as we see through history as what is revealed in time

is that these things were to be replaced by the privatization right the nationalization led directly to privatization

uh it it's a one to one right it'll be straight into it and i think it's something that the british left has not been able to really you know there's somewhat interesting i think that you would

you would you you'd be interested in um there's a sort of movement within the labor party which is kind of interesting theyre kind of like

a small c conservative like social conservative

socialists are the blue labor movement a people like maurris glassman

you know about that yeah yeah i've heard of blue labor yeah

yeah yeah i i would recommend looking into mauric's glassman like a lot of the stuff written about him especially on his wik like the wikipedia page for blue labor is full of bullshit and a lot of like you know the faith family and flag that's never been like a slogan of blue labor it's just a complete construction by the media

but you know like

uh his his like marice glsman's whole assertion is basically that like we need to sort of

rich you know he's very much kind of this like um

soft social democratic verhion of dugan i guess like you s's like he wants to like reject the progressive teleology he wants to reject this idea of like um

progress for the sake of progress right and he wants to understand like a deepening of the relations between people but i think he's very good in terms of

analyzing the problems that were caused by labor the labor party in regards to like

transforming itself out of its own tradition and into something which is wholly suited for financialization and then later on tono blair's like management economy information knowledge economy

you're not

that's some of the british left is not been ab to deal with and colbn was not able to deal with that a all because he was caught between these two polls right of like reopening the pits reopening the mines you know renationalizing the economy which was then drowned out in this like left left left eyesation whatever the fulk you' call it like this a staticization left is azation of managerialism

and this kind of fidelity to the private professional class

and you know it ca between these polls and the left in this country cannot push beyond that right it cannot seem to push beyond these two polls of managerialism and nationalization

but there is so much more that we are capable of in this country right

we our history stretches back way before world war two you know like we have a rich history in this country the labor movement has a rich history

and the fact that we sort of

define it as something which happened after clement atley prime minister labour labour party government

initiated

the welfare state it's such a cupped mindset

and it really like it pissed me off i'm i wlmost definitely did not like respond to your point i just went on around n yeah i'm sod i know there's a lot we have to say but

there's a few things the first thing is that

dude

you literally

are on the money about why we have problems in america

with the fucking green new deal bullshit

like com try you do' trust the you deal the new deals the same dude it's like

there's a direct continuity between the new deal and reagan and then yes bush yh and clinton i mean

because clinton was kind of our blair but to get add more to your point

you're veering into territory that

i'm too scared to present to my audience some them that presented in the beginning

in our streams

but basically my crazy idea was that if by socialism we mean you know some type of total politicization of the economy

more or less

we're living in socialism already and actually neoligism

in the west is the most advanced and sophisticated form it's more socialist even than the

the new deal and the

british nationalization you're talking about it's even more

more states

politicization of the economy andn before

yeah and my every even a lot of people who support me really dude you're a fucking idiot in ust ok ready not ready to learn about why this is the case but

you are so one hundred percent on the money

about that and i

i w in there's a few things we have to note here is that

one thing is that

the word privatization is always so misleading because what privatization basically means is that

first the state establishes some type of control

over the economy

and then

you know it it

then selectively chooses what it opens up

uh to

quote unquote deprivate like

for if the state is able to privatize something

that in itself attests to a profound level of

already socialized

an already socialized economy

and um yes

and my whole pill was basically that marx and engeles were anticipating this

total politicization of the economy

in the form of their anticipation of the inevitability of socialism

and actually the thing that distinguished marx and angles

with third dialectic view specifically the materialis dialected view and scientific socialism

was basically

for them scientific socism wasn't a total

you know

total

utilitarianization of the economy and people

it was a way to recognize

that

this that there's a contradiction in this universalization and

it's precisely this contradiction contradiction that gives meaning to

the social in socialism

our common so siality is not

is not total politicization it's something that resists

total political

to control the epitome of

quote unquote socialism

in as we put it in in modern day sense

was hagel's

philosophy of right

and marg was precisely critiquing hagel

because for marks

hagel's political

sink

politicization of society

a neglected that there's a fundamental material

substance or maybe even essence

of

humanity and society

which

resist this and which cannot be reducible to the terms of formal formalization and politicization

i

so and there's nothing of notice that

there's something very specific about world war two here that's a common threat

and it's also why people like you and me are always going to be accused of being fascists or right wing adjason you know it's like yeah it seems like the only

thing the left can have today

it somehow it needs to return

to the primordial origins

of what was constructed in it in the aftermath of world war two

not to return to world war two not to return to the new deal

but return to the origins of those things

and to me i place that timeline roughly in the early twentieth century and late nineteenth century with the populace

and to me the left like to me the way i look at it is that

were witnessing an implosion of the post world war to

managerial state

and

this implosion is unleashing all of the latent forces

that composed it in the first place

like you had an evolution in america from the populaces in the southern democrats all these people into the modern democratic party

so the implosion of the democratic party also means the unleashing of these

same forces that

that made it up

so yes we see the same thing in england we see in britain

a we see the same thing over here as well

in in terms of the fact that you know something again going back to to glassman and blu labors i mean he always points out i think it is completely correct is that um

the origin of the labour party

and you know the labor movement the cooperative movement the labor party it comes from

in fact not from kind of

what people would consider is like actually like sort of like

abstract idea of worker organization but the concrete reality of

institutions like burial societies right because in this country i don't know how it is in america but in this country

what used to happen to poor people is they would be chugged in massive pits called pauper's graves right where they had wooden gravestones or no gravestones at all

and there would be no real memor commemoration of

and what what what the what the sort of germ the sort of the the the original initial sort of embryonic form of the labor party and the labor movement in this country was was one significant part of it

was the burial societies

which which actually like

gave meaning to people's lives and meant that

in death they could still have meaning right

and this is something which

has been completely lost in the because now we have obviously everyone has a fucking you know everyone is like you know either burnt or you know cremated or they are buried and there is a gravestone that's just a given

but that was something that was struggled for right and people missed the

the struggle of the of the workers is not principally just only this kind of like level of like

power in the in the in the in the total political sense but it's also a power of the meaning of life right it's a power over like

your you know your your ability to have meaning in your own life and a big part of that is your meaning in death how your memory and your you're remembered in death

and that is something which labur movements

in its embryonic form

struggled for

was burial

having the ability to be buried and have a gravestone that was something which the embryonic form of labour movement labour party struggled for and that's what started it this level of caarraderie around death right

this is another reason you know there's reason blue labor because itseelf blue labor is not just because it's like a joke on like our

you know like people say like red democrats in america or whatever you know voues like retarded shit like that you know like someing you know well like blue republican all this like retard shit you know like

it's this th blue labor is a joke on that but it's also a joke on like you know also the mental health crisis it's ok to be sad sometimes yes that's true it is ok to be sad sometimes but it's also about

you know the melancholior of existence right like existence is is suffering life is suffering and to give meaning to that suffering

is one of the most important things that what a person can do right alleviation of suffering is very important but meaning to suffering is the only way which you can lead to anlleviation of that suffering

right

and this is something that's been lost

so many things have been lost

but yeat it's something which we know this is before world war two this is before managerialization is before nationalization

this is before financialisation right this is before the kinds of modes of struggle which are

defined by i don't know what you want to call it high modern you know whatever you want to call the post world war two era like you know it's something which we are so like caught in and struggling within the sort of

the axioms of like a post what wor two

political developments and what will s political developments you know you see all these people to much stress the rights and now spos or whatever they have no clue what these words mean these words have absolutely no relevance to the contey situation now s polls you know andan eclectic i mean you want you think aboutll what what limino actually believed limin off believe nothing

limenov was a nihilist you know like limanov was disgusted by the world you know like i respect him as an artist you know as a creative like i sort of

you know i like to make art myself so i respect him as an artist and a political artist right but like the only person who gave meaning to the national boshviks was dougod and he fucking left the party a long time ago you know like and it's like you know the people sort of he use the word naspall as a way to say like you know you know in that video where you'll like i dont i don't watch vousch except for through you because i don't want to fuck and watch vouch you know i only wath you watch your critiques of vouch because i need that fucking

direct his commentary shit and need that fucking commentary on him otherwise i can't fuck and stomach it but like you know

is he's just disgusting you know but like the way he sort of talks about like um

was it you know like the nasbol vortex idea right where it's like

oh yeah they'll come and they'll say to you like h oh you coln have workers rights but you need to get rid of trans people andor whatever you know and embrace the family it's like well you know the nasborlls actually rejected the family right the original like you know the w limenov actually you know one of the major moments of the national boshevik party h after he like left prison and all that like

was no we need to create a russia which is against the family you know and we and he foelt he was a pedorast as well right he's more similar to vouch than vauh would think right vouch is more of a naspo than he fucking would like to admit he's a fucking pedophol so there you go

like

it's you know its like strasorighte as well it's a meaningless label it's a meaningless term strasorighte is like very specific to an internal

a internal like dispute within the nazi party that has no relevance to anything today

you know it's like the same way that like you know i mean you know you want to think about like

the nos balls a wle they left all their rights that means nothing right when the nos balls came about

like the left and the right was monopolized by the c p the communist party what meant what was meant by left and right was internal division between the communist party there was no left and right outside of that there was the punks and the dissidents and the sort of rebels and the nationalists they were not

defined necessarily by the left right that was in state power right

it's just yeah it's this very it's a very bizarre thing that people sort of use these labels and use these terms and like

you know i'm accused of being a nasbo i'm on this same list that you're on right this closeted nasbok list right like i'm on this list of people on twitter that are like the bad nicks right you know

the fuck and the evil it's very funny that people sort of use these terms without realizing what they mean you know like

you know you s this is something we should talk about more in a in great depth

l wrong

oh yeah i think it all goes back to this just world anyone who's outside of the

managerial state is a' somehow related to nazism because

the managerial state defined itself

to act in the aftermath of world war two

but one of the things you seing is also the o they took on nazism you know they took on nazism exact managerial thing in america and britain took on and basically made nazism more efficient you know they were real nazis

yeah

this i don't want to keep you up because you know

a i understand but one thing i wanted to say is that

the thing you mentioned on blue labor and the significance of death

you know it's very hid to garion

heideger specifically

m

rights and give significance to the way in which life is proven or somehow given me in meaning

in terms of our relationship to death our finity

so i'm very interested in you you've really sparked my curiosity in blue labor and i really like what you mentioned about the significance of blue

um mm

there's also a kind of blue

tone i guess to the channel that i want to have

in that same way that it's just on

if blue means this kind of depth

of

um this kind of

fact of our finitude and

how we deal with that and how we can i don't want to say cope

but how we can basically

confront that reality and acknowledge and just accept and almost a

i don't want to be too islamic but surrender before

right surrender before

stop trying to conquer

ah

this aspect of life if this makes me a conservative of some kind well i guess i am a conservative

to me there's different meanings of conserve conservative can mean

trying to denounce reality in some way and then in that sense i'm not a conservative

i'm not a conservative who's trying to you know

create a standard of purity upon which to

imposedon reality but if conservative means

the rejection of vanity and the rejection of this attempt to kind of conquer

our reality and impose

you know

some type of

total

um

rationalization or

total

total so called progress quote unquote

yes i'm a conservative i think there's a

i wll then again it's the same thing as sayings a high degary

well yeah i mean you know we're talking about here like the distinction between you know its a we again about the sort of the the into war years right relating this back to whatll to like

the sort of the development of you know where hideer came from that conservative revolution school right like people like schmidt and

and you know most interesting me people like uss younger as well you know fascinating person in terms of this you know someone that like you know of course i you sort of think about like

you know like schmidt is the political guner is the artistic and highlegeristic

like philosophical right i mean they sort of typified like a very very interesting

and it's something that i think you know really was um

amiss in in england right that you know that we didn't have a conservative revolution because i think we were definitely ready for one

uh in in terms of like how oh the the development of schools of thought you know like

i'm not this is not youen know to people who are going to clip this out context i'm not saying i completely agree with everything the concepts revolutionor people like call schmet said

just to make that clear um i just think that

it's you know these these sort of the people who like dealt with the trauma

of world war one

um and and came out of that with s trying to make sense of it in a way which wasn't just like as they saw at this vulgar

reactionary

uh uh uh politics and philosophy which was just like you know like dogin in in the fourth political theory sort of talks about like it in the analogy of the

of a dying man right he talks about like a man with a cough you know like a man has a cough and and like progressive people want to sort of just sort of like say like oh well the cough is actually good you know the coughe is something which is we like the cough you know the cough is all right but then the reactionary is like oh we want to treat the person's cough we want to treat the symptoms you know we want to get rid of the symptoms the appearance of the cough needs to be done away with but like the thing that's important about the conservative revolution

is that they sort of you know as do cans like says you know like again this is going to be great for people who don't like me to clay out context but anyway like you know in the con says is like

the conservative revolution wanted to just go back to exactly what started the cough in the first place and question that you know deal with that deal with the not with the symptoms but the cause deal with the cause itself and this is something which comes out of great trauma you know you want to compare that to the national bolsheviks and to that you know

the trauma of the nineties the trauma of perastroika

the trauma of the soviet union's collapse you know

and you want to talk about what's happening right now with the breaxit movement

the trauma of the industrialization

you know it's an intense moment an intense thing intense process rather

with w which leads to a lot of traumatic response right

and to make sense of that trauma

and not for those for this this sense making to be endlessly foreclosed by these

useless right wing demagogues

and to you know like like hitler to the conservative revolution was this you know right wing denagogue who essentially just foreclosed on any possibility of real fundamental change and real you know the communists also didn't engage with the conservative revolution in a fundamental way you know they

they kind of had like raddik has his um

policy of national bolhevis in which let him said no that's notthing stupid don't do that and so you had you know

whatever thatl was pushed aside

but yeah you know like we we don't we don't have the ability at the moment to sort of

uh because you know all these all these things have become so like

uh we have these like psychic triggers in our brain which stop us from engaging in things we don't have the ability to have a conservative revolution i think i mean we do have the ability but we sort of it's endlessly foreclosed upon the ability to have it because

we sort of pushed against it by these phrases these terms which are meant to turn us off turn us against tomant to be and c progressive all woman to be the badl right you know like those the two things we're sort of allowed to be

i think we should be allowed to be much more than that you know

in the way we think

i think we should be allowed to sort of and we are allowed you know fundamentally with human beings we have free will you know we're endowed with that with that with that fundamental thing free will we are meant to be able to think beyond

these bizarre fucking axioms right

these bizarre fucking psychic triggers that have been encoded within us as would make us like flinch

h or like love or not really love but sort of orgastically react to fucking certain triggers and sounds and words and colors

and you know i mean the science of advertising is a big part of this but like

yeah i think today is necessarily we need something which is kind of

akin to the conservative revolution but also akin to the bolshevik revolution right like we need we need new forms of response to to trauma and response to

the decay

and the death of a world which is gone right i mean you know go back to graam she's whole interregnm thing right like

makes sense of the monsters right

yea i mean um a a few things you know the um

the thing a lot of people miss about the conservatorve lution is that the way you just described it it's perfectly's a perfect description of

how you can understand marx's adjacency

to this kind of conservative revolution

i mean you can say that exactly the same thing about marx marx also has

a similar relationship to modernity

i

mm he he he it's o and then um if

i don't want to keep like name dropping people but

specifically shex writings on de loses repetition

i think what we're talking about here is repetition

to repeat something to truly repeat

something

doesn't just mean to do the same thing

as a

what was the past but to really

confront these

this origin

as you described it

so to repeat the moment in which the sick man gets the disease

isn't simply

you know just

repeating the exact same pass but it's a type of new confrontation

new converntation with

so i completely agree with you about this kind of

significance of repetition

and then uh another thing

mm

i think that there was

and

indirect adjacency between the bolshevik revolution

on the one hand and the subjective

revolution a conservative revolution in germany

but that the reason they couldn't be united is because on the one hand

the bolsheviks were defending

the objectivity of their revolution

and they saw

the german conservative revolution

as not suffent adequately re

recognizing that objectivity on the other hand

the conservative revolution thinkers in germany

viewed the bolsri relution to subjectively they just reduced it to a time

subject subjective doctrine and actually interestingly

hi deger in the rest of them

to the extent that they recognized any significance of communism they just would read lucox

k specifically so

yeah you have this type of contradiction going on where the subjective element was being monopolized by people like lu cox and others

who i don't think

i think i said this this got me in trouble when i said this i said lucox was a so western social democrat and he was never

someone who were pro i remember this yeah people made fun of you because you said lukasha was a cantian i mean how the fuck can you like

i caln know how can you disagree with that like yeah i mean it's

is very ste sometimes i say things and i'm not always aware like people are going to take it literally like i was in blue cox

supported the bos revolution

he rejected ylitics of western socialsmon all i meant was that he was

secretly like he was implicitly like he still had prejudices from social democracy

that he didn't

discard

but anyway

um

going back i think i

i completely agree with you today that we need

a new type of engagement with

this thinking

and also to apply it and repeat it again today and i think

the this assumption that marxism is irreconcilable or more even marxism leninism is irreconcilable with that

is an unjustifiable assumption

think people

m

they just don't distinguish

the objective aspect of marxism lenism from

the subjective

form

and

the way we make sense subjectively of marxism leninism

we have the whole what lenin would call the whole treasure of mankind at our disposal

we can't limit it to a narrow range of you know how literature

we have to engage with everything

you know yeh but that doesn't mean we somehow

become so arrogant so as to confuse that for the objective

significance and

way in which marxism leninism

cements

and coheres

a definite real and objective

a historical

continuities and formations and

reality specifically in the form of states

mm

yeah completely

i think that's a

perfect

perfect not to end on this conversation this asy yeah you've really you

opened my eyes to the fact that this

that this

i think this will be the seventh episode of in fred but when we have our official

show with you

i mean i'm really looking forward to it because you know so my i've been looking forward to for a long time i just i just didn't want to sort of impose myself you know i just wanted to like

i was really enjoying watching like how

uh you were like engaging with these like fucking like weirdos you know these like internet weirdos and i was enjoying that a lot i didn't want to like derail your train right but like you know i'm very glad i tuned into theday stream bo because like you know when i tuned in you were

you know ranting about this yit and it was like you know ranting about the you know like you know the the

the sort of the limits of this kind of

this this attack this debate broke kind of tactic right and it's like yeah i mean there are you know i think it's fantastic entertainment right it's fantastic entertainment and it's good in terms of like building a an audience an audience base right

but i think you're right in terms of like the needs to be a sort of more dynamic like a more i hod you say like more more stuff going on right you know you know i mean like i think and yeah yeah i'

i completely appreciate a man and i think i

you really gave us you really spoiled us with some really good content tonight because i i do w you sady right like because i do come across as a suit all the time i know i you know i

from my perspective at least you are very concise in clear speaker

i mean

i never thought you were ever rambling i never thought you were veering into

you know an unintelligible direction

but to be fair a lot of people regard me as like the epitome of

somebody who rambles and makes no sense at all

so maybe it's not so much a compliment if it's coming from me but its like one of us kind of moment right yeah

i'm sure people in the chat would would agree though that you're very clear in

you know concise think i don't think anyone can

i can't see how anyone could say you know you're not you

making any sense

well thank you i appreciate that

i appreciate that yeah it's been a fantastic conversation and yeah also it's a testament to

how much i can drink and still maintain it clear train of fool oh jesus oh wow yeah that's even more impressive like i struggles you know suck my own deck over here you know but it's more of a detriment than a quality you know being an alcoholic or whatever you know i struggle to speak that well when i'm sober

so that's really yah that's what that's

its really well you know it it was definitely a pleasure man it was really a pleasure and and

thank you

yeat do you want to

do you want all these weirdos and chats of folloy on twitter

that's up to you if you want um you know uh be ready to be disappointed uh most of the time much is posed images and you know like jokes you know but like yeaes like uh i guess you know

uban malism if you want to follow me let me yeah

let me

get the link

and to span the lincoln chat

yeah our twitter got banned unfortunately but i know i know it's like i mean but this is the thing i think this is probably quite a good thing for you though right because like you you've seen that like you know these fucking decades like they you know the the these like weird neo con cult like

this like kevin one of the folks name is like these people a meanings you know and like you know this and we all know this in the audience right like we understand these people are asutely fucking meaningless like

and like yat like

you know

the content can be good and we don't have to engage in and it is we we are all one thing here you know like the content is good and it doesn't have to sort of veer off into sort of engaging with these stupid little cults you know are these stupid little neocon meaningless

absolutely meaningless little cults that canect

surprisingly get people actually have an effect you know it's amazingly

the internet is so bizarre in this regard that these meaningless mother folks can have an effect

but ya i it is quite a good moment i think for the

for you know infrareds shit you know like you know it's a

show that like yeah we don't we as a fuck and you know like

chat and as a thing

don't have to fuck and engage with these motherfuckers you know

oh yeah definitely

well i

i definitely look forward to our i'll try to get better with the scheduling

you know this week i have some

bullshit due wednesday

i

but maybe we can figure something out for after that because

from wednesday to

sunday i think i should be

completely cleared out

so

i'll ge back to all right

and if you want to the way to contact me now because the twitters gone is just a

on discord you know so just d m me on discord and yeah i'll be able to see it

but i'll be ale touch with hopefully we can we can ice mesting out

all right well you have a pleasant evening you to you to thank you so much

a'm on see that

sim

wow guys that was uh

w was great

was great

i love that i love

i love talking to him you know not just

he's not auss good content for the show he's really great to talk

im commander ace

dude commander ace when i took these last night

to go to sleep

i took two of them

to knock me out and i randomly wen i went and like three two am

i went live on twitch for a secret stream and i was just me playing oblivion

and commander ace

i joined the fucking general and commander ace said something

really bad

and it could have gotten me like in trouble if i didn't delete the od and i did delete the od so commander ace

no

dude

no

no

not bringing you on right

not happ

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alright

i

let me h

and so we're not going to i don't want to that when urban maoism

was way better than what i had what i had planned with the dialectics thing so we're going to put the dialectics thing on hold

i

actually we have to choose between reacting to the vasch video and the dialectics thing

and i think i want to save the dialtics

because we're going to talk about

authority language

good faith and bad faith

ye have this the only reason it was secret

was because the

the only reason it was secret was because

i just didn't share with thiscord but like if you have twitch notifications on

in yours you're up at two three am

i just wanted to like test it to see like how many viewers could i get just doing this

and i got like twenty five viewers

but

he

i don't take drugs do

it's fucking legal and it's for sleep

you take medicine so it's like medicine i don't take it recreationally

i

jesus

what do you think dialectics refers to

fundamental mechanism of the form of the mind

no i think dialectics definitely overcomes mind body dualism

it's about what about reality

does the mind

what about reality gives rise to something like a mind

you know that's what dialectics is about

it includes the mind in reality

i

ok

we're going to i want to react to this wash thing because there's some beef i have

and i'm not going to yell so no one can say i'm screaming and yelling at him

but this really grinded my gears and pissed me the fuck off

and i'm going to explain to you concisely and clearly why boh is a fulking idiot

so let's react

let's get right to

frowsing

properties

hello

uh s aright i asking him

the guest seemed to be completely correct

you you poisonous

sorry for my accent is

a bar youer toll i get that it might be a bit hard to understand default wants to come ou i'm sorry dude we we we um

we don't have time

they don't have time

where you fro i got to do this maybe if if i'm done with this and we have time

i'm from the united kingdom or not oritunately

ok yes the petted backwoards of the planet

no that's all right i can understand you just fine all right hit me up explain how

twenty say i'm sorry if i was up sorry

showing in char just

uh ya

well you call me

so if you think you're going to yeah so let's all right hit me up with it

i just think the way that you describe

the

the teaching of marxism linism in vietnamese education

uh with

did

we are decaided that was indoctrination and i just i feel it got a problem with that

marxism leninism is a state ideology

and because it has no principles it conforms to the needs of the states that adopt it

for god's

this is so fucking stupid

just because something

has no dogmatic axiomatic principles

doesn't mean that it's only defined by the whimsical pragmatic needs of the state

you want to know for example vosh

many religions in the world

you know the majority of the ways mankind cohered its thoughts

before

the modern age

and most philosophies that were derivative of them themselves derivative of religion did not have

the axiomatic formal principles that were eternal and undergirding

the whole thing

that doesn't mean that they were completely arbitrary

vosh is trying to say that if there's no axioms dogmatic axioms then it's completely arbitrary

it isn't falking true

marxism leninism establishes yes a relationship with the reality

of politics and statehood

doesn't mean that it's just

a passive reflection

of those realities

it's actually a way to clarify those realities in the first place

sake it only got codified in like by the vietnamese government the one nine hundred ninety s

you know long after the revolutionary period of vietnam had already finished

at

ok but that has nothing to do with the fact that the viet cong

was fucking marxist lminist

what do you mean codified

there's no codification

this point its only purpose is to solidify a single party state control on why does it do it specifically through marxism leninism

it would be much more convenient for the sake of party control

if they were just too you know

pragmatically adopt some liberal bullshit

what you are saying makes no sense wash it's really fucking stupid

for the ideology of its tenants

and surprisingly you know is you can imagine

there are a lot of marxist lendonists

what vosh doesn't understand is he's making a hard distinction

between the pragmatic necessities of statehood

and idiology like marxism leninism

but that's a it's a prejudice to make that hard distinction because marxism lenism itself means

that there's a living relationship between those two things

it's not like there's some cynical hobsy and pragmatic reality of power

and that ediology is is justifying that the whole point of marxism leninism isn't to legitimize or justify the actions of the vietnamese state

but to actually give meaning and clarify

the vietnamese what the actions of the vietnamese statesmen themselves

marxism leninism in other words allows the vietnamese communist party to rule

in the way it does

not because it's justifying itself but because the

the itiology marxism leninism is actually

making the reality of politics meaningful

for them in a way that

it otherwise wouldn't be

to seem weirdly permissive of of

you know non socialist governments as long as they call themselves marxist ldist governments or party

thans

i it's i don't respect it i'm not going to pretend to respect that

and my disrespect for it is only furthered by the fact that every time i have a conversation with one of these chuckle fucks

as much as they you know posture about be more educated than me they never show it

they complain about my education

wasosh i think i showed it myself

and your people

to this day deny

that i schoold you

but even even me

you know i was a really good example of somebody who was actually showing you why you're a fucking idiot

um

that's really pathetic

let's continue

but all they have is petty dogmatism they don't talk about socialism they don't

wasoh didn't you just say that unless there are do unless there are axiomatic principles it's completely arbitrary so who's dogmatic

you're just contradicting yourself

first you're saying they're completely arbitrarily justifying the whimsical actions of the state then you're accusing them of adhering to dogmatic unchanging principles

that you're just

you just set yourself up as a fucking moron

a minute and thirty nine seconds in

and this guy hasn't even said a word yet

you see how it works wash

and um

another thing

hold on what you say as much as they you know posture about be more educated than me they never show it

they complain about my education but all they have is petty dogmatism they don't talk ok

all they have is petty dogmatism

and what do you have washed that socialism equals the workers ownership of the means of production even though you ep in order to be dogmatic wash you have to derive textual legitimacy to legitimacy from somewhere the only the last person the most recent common ancestor you can ever find is no one chomsky past norm chomsky you won't find anyone you won't find marks lenin anyone using

socialism in the way you use it

it's only chomsky who defined it that way and that became the textual authority that will define

you know

like it's just like how prishad said

mister phad said i don't know his

i can't pronounce his first name

vosh thinks he's the pope and he's going to decide who he's going to excommunicate from socialism

based on what what chomsky said

talk about socialism they don't talk about anyth the other like i mean its comeing here i yeah oright i thin

that maybe the problem that this ultimately you could tell

m

marxist leninists have really gotten in wash's head

you know you could tell we've really gotten to him

he's he

before any argument happened he just set himself up to be incriminated and fucking destroyed

it comes down to is what

the vietnamese government defines as morsisn lendism

and so

maybe i might have a complete misunderstanding of the ideology that they're teaching

in their curriculum per

i

don't

ybe we see hi

this maybe right this bybe b some wt to come firm

when i hear marxism lendinism

i think

someone who has the philosophical stant of marxism

and the political stant of leninism

mission bonguarded

revolutionary ideology but it doesn't even conform to that

marx neither marx nor lenin would have been permissive of what stalin had done when he would okay

this specifically

this specifically

where what is your fucking evidence vosch

like he's saying this and i want to know the basis even in his own head of why he's saying this

like i know why trotskyists try to say this they try to say oh lenin's testament said they we wanted to remove stalin because stalin was a bit rude

but if you actually analyze the controversies within the bolshevik party the three prevailing lines bucharin trotsky and stalin

i could myself demonstrate with ease how stalin's position

was not only faithful

too was the most faithful to lenin and lenin's vision

the thing that differentiated lenin from other marxis

not only the mensheviks but other marxists within the bolshevik party that lenin's was the

stalins was the most faithful specifically because of his relationship to the peasantry

but marks too

that the stal inist position

was the only one that was faithful to marxism to what marxism was originally about

i want to know where you get your fucking evidence for saying this vosh you can maybe say that nowhere in marx are you able to find a definitive position on soviet policy toward the russian countryside but why would marx be writing about that just because marx wasn't writing about the same things stalin was dealing with doesn't

a priori miene

that marx wouldn't be permissive

again it comes back to this weird

catholic type of

you know not to shit on catholics i'm just saying like this pope authority he wouldn't be permissive of it

what do you mean permissive by the way this is such a weird slip of tongue

but

where are you getting this idea that

a marx and lenin would have rejected stalin can you point to me an example of marx rejecting someone

and you can extrapolate that rejection to some

hypothetical rejection of stalin in order to prove that either marx or lenin

would have rejected stalin you have to find a figure

analogous to stalin in their lifetime that they did reject

that proves this

i would love to see you trying

find a figure like that or you have to say that

they built their theory explicitly in opposition to the position stalin would come to epitomize and accept i mean i can point you to examples of

people i would consider analogous to trotsky and also trotsky himself in lenin's case cause

not a lot of people know that lenin and trotsky had explicit theoretical disagreements

i mean lenin called trotsky the judast the judas

of o

of the party

so that's you know that was within the lifetime

but

marx had the trotskyite

analogous phrase mongerers and

you know undalectical

anarchistic whatever

those were the people analogous to trotsky and marx's lifetime

i can find you people like that

i just want to know where

where osh gets that like oh how can you support that and how why do you say this with so much confidence where the farck you get the confidence to say something like that

how can you justify the claim

that marx and lenin would have rejected stalin

in stalin's position

i just want to know where you get that from

cause you gt it straight out of your fuckin fat ass is what it sounds like

was later

but his government was the one that codified marxism leninism is the state really i don't really i don't really think and by the way vosh the reason for that is precisely because

stalin is the one who acknowledged lenin's unique contribution to marxism

i mean the the the proof isn't a pudding

the reason that' so vash is because

stalin is the only one who assumed the position

that was faithful to lenin's original

contribution

remember the october revolution wasn't inevitable

the bolsevik party wasn't inevitable

it was so

because of the position lenon the unique and creative position lenin assumed

and all stalin did was say this wasn't an accident this wasn't some happenstance thing

just because of russia's unique conditions versus the west this isn't some kind of one off this isn't some kind of failed revolution just because it didn't spread to the west

there's something ultimately meaningful about this

that was stalin's position and he said so explicitly

vietnam teaching people like

you know hey we should

be killing political dissident i don't know nobody will nobody people in education nobody teaches that obviously

and i'm not talking about

teaching people to be murderers or whatever

i'm saying

oh did you not know that marx and engles both spoke explicitly about the inevitability of revolutionary terror

and that mark engles wrote a book on called on authority

or i'm sorry angles deviated from marks according to you

is that what you want to save wash

what is this what is the fixation of bread tube on slandering marks they just want a bearded guy to be their dumble door and a guy who has fucking name recognition

internationally and they just want to use him as their own source of legitimation

but

marxism has nothing to do with this fat fuck

whatsoever

that the official so the single party of vietnam

calls itself a communist party

vietnam is not a communist country

like not

watch what the callers about to say and the callers one hundred percent right

and i want you guys to read oshs retarded fulking stupid fuck brain dead fucking chat

when he says this in the caller is going to say something one hundred percent correct and look what the chat is going to say

not by any look ok has the guy been rude guys has the caller been rude

has he been rude

what why is the chat so fucking rude

look at these

the papaga their papagaing him

look at they're fucking saying they're shitting all over him

it depends on no it doesn't that's a bit of a pay critique

what do you you see how violent in fucking aggressive washes

that's why i slapped his fat fuck face around when i was debating him that's why i immediately showed wash no mercy

because i could see an aggressive soyboy when i see one

and they need to be put in their place

teks like when when we call things communist country

you know wouldn't it

i feel like we all understand that that comes from the standpoint of the people who are in charge of the country

ituch depending on which country you're talking about

i'ven't described

china as a communist country i would scrape cuba as a communis what he's saying is that we call them communist countries

because the people in charge are communists and that's why the media calls em communist countries that's why everyone calls em communist countries intuitively it's not because

they are perf they are communist societies in the sense of they've achieved they've transformed their societies and realized

some new mode of production called communism

but vosch is a bad faith fucking fat fuck retard and he thinks he's smarter than the intuition he's smarter

then

common sense he's smarter than all these people who just would look at me yeahthyre communist countries no vosh has to be the actually type of guy and he's smarter than them all and he knows better

look at this

disgusting fat fock

you know we being the cia that' cia l

the boss is trying to copy my shit

no vosh your cia language you fucking idiot

and

we can actually look at the te evidence based proof the cia

wasn't supporting leftis is

who were supporting the soviet union in the real existing socialism the cia the evidence we do have is that the american deep state was supporting and propping up anti soviet

and and leftists who were railing against real existing socialism

and that's on the books wash

you're talking out of your fuckin ass again

which i am not a fed

i call communist countries communists when they're communists

cuba and i can'd agree with i would say that because cuba is a dictatorship of proletariat

it's not the the part but it's not

but it's not

because the workers don't directly

this fucking idiot

doesn't know what a state is

he's such a fucking moron

he's such a fucking moron

he sauch he says it was such confidence to look at his face

it's like

he actually thinks

this is actually the face of someone

who thinks they know what they're talking about

arty is a unitary marxist linist party that is aiming towards a communist

featre an international communist that's the meaning of a communist country by the way it's not

no one saying it's some fundamentally new

mode of production completely separate from the realities of the world

no one ever tried to make that argument or say that

that's not what communism means even

according to the right wing the american wriightists don't even falking say that they just say well this country's ruled by communists they call themselves communists you know

they talk about communism a lot communism is the theme

and that's on that basis they're describing communist systems and communist countries they don't actually care to know about you know this es sooic stuff about

a society's mode of production fundamentally transformed

m

communistically or something it's not relevant you you're way too many steps ahead you know of what's actually relevant and significant

for

for the popular common sense

i would say that keepers according to country it's no this is what i mean marxist leninists don't believe in socialism so look at all these reacts of these fucking idiot dumb pieces of shit any vash viewers watching us from vosh's chat you are the most stupid fualking retarded fucking people i've ever seen in my life you're so falking stupid

and every time you've come to try to debate me you've made a fucking fool of yourself

you're a fucking idiot you don't believe in socialist

you believe in countrieses the call themselves communist

i do believe i believe when i say socialism i think communism is socialis vosh is acting like he has some kind of direct access to the essence of what that word means

and he's speaking with such a fundamentalist zeal

when in reality he has nothing

and he just doesn't know that he actually think he has direct access

to the fucking essence of the meaning of the word directly and he possesses it and he owns it and he knows it

his glasses don't let him see something else we can't see

but he thinks that the otherwise is the case

he thinks by putting on these glasses he sees

what we dont see

them are interchangeable

so marx didn't distinguish between the t of socialism is just lower form communism i recognize that but there was no country ok marx didn't distinguish them that's true

but the only reason lennin distinguished them was for practical purposes of clarification

he lenin called the lower stage socialism

for practical purposes

and it actually made sense why lennin did that

and the reason is because the word communism fell out of favor in lenin's time

by lennon's time socialism was all the buzz you know everyone was

everyone pretty much accepted socialism was inevitable

so lennin was basically just saying ok this socialism

that everyone's talking about that clearly is entering into the horizon

this is just going to be the first stage but there's also communism

there's a few reasons why that distinction was introduced

on this s ok

there's no country on this some something

he's saying this but not justifying

i hate people who just i hate fat focxs like wash

who just say shit

and don't bother with good faith to acknowledge the position of their opponent like ah if your position contradicts your opponent's position you need to justify why that is immediately don't just stand your ground as though you know the truth

and it's self evident you can only do this if you somehow have the expectation that your opponent should also find it self evident

that they are not socialist given how much this is a point of contention among the left

it's not self evident

so you should get right into actually explaining your position and justifying it

not just standing your ground as though hes supposed to fucking care or know about why

you think they're not socialists

sorry my butt

there's no country on this planet that socialists

there are countries that work towards it there are parties that are socialists

but to say like

china is a communist country the country of is the party it's a unitary marxist leninist

state the country is the state and it's not democt it's not properly democratic if i could easily wipe the floor with wash

and make him have nothing to say nothing to rebuke me

iprove china as a communist country and i can do that easily

and prove china is a socialism with chinese characteristics

does describe something real

ereg china is socialist

i could prove it to wash his fucking fat face but he's such a pink pussy that he keeps running away from me

if it's a unitarian single party statef sure they're not democratic you needt mouk he keeps fanatically falking saying it

and he's like getting angry just saying it

dude why don't you fucking explain yourself instead of like a he's litter like a fanatical fucking red guard except he's fat and pink

buckercy free to have a socialization in political parties but i still i still

i think cuba could be better i think you could introduce a multiparty care ok the callers wrong

dude callor you don't know anything

you known't

dude stop talking about cuba like you know what's better for cuba than fucking cubans

and stop trying to compare cuba to china and say oh cuba's better than china

because cubans themselves don't say that

ok people in power and cuba

are debating about this so leave it alone dude you sound like a fucking moron talking about it like this and vosh

you're the most stupid of all

call something socialist if it's not socialist

h loves doing like it's i p fascists are fascist it's like dude you think you have

direct access to the word

to the meaning of the word

such to such a point that you could use that with authority in bludgeon people over the head with it

they're not socialist they're not socialist

ok socialism clearly means something different to you

that doesn't mean that's a universally applies to everyone everywhere and every time you've just attached some arbitrary meaning to the word socialism it's up to you to justify why that is why is your use of the word socialism different from how everyone else in the world fucking uses it

vosh why is that

you have to justify that instead of just pretending like yours is the only exclusive use and the only proper use of the word socialism that's so fucking stupid

what is wrong with this guy

like what is wrong with him and what is wrong with this stupid falking chat

why do they say it's a cult when they have a cult like mentality in relation to language

this is how cults relate to language the only way you can use this word is how the cult leader approves of it

so fucking stupid

like wit is abot thises a thing become is' i really w would stop some oftt me stop me stop stop stop stop me stop

stop when someone is ideologically away

gez hold wait can you hear me

okay so everyone kept saying i kept cutting vash off

och has barely let this guy talk voch's fat ass has talked

for like seventy five percent of this

and vosh has the audacity stop stop stop stop stop

we've talked enough wash and all you've said wash is your broken fucking n p c robot they are not socialists they are not communists they are not socialists they are not communism that is not real soc you haven't fucking actually said anything wash in his whole five minutes your opponent has said many things and justified himself

you have said nothing all you've done is state your position

which is of use to no one except your chat

who sucking your cock

and jerking themselves off

because they agree with you but you have actually haven't justified it to this fucking caller you're trying to debate with

ok wait hold on i had to hold you up there for a second ok because we need to frame this discussion ok

from your definition anybody who calls that any party that calls itself communist

becomes a communist this is a unwarranted and unjustifiable assumption that he's imposing upon the opponent

one can

actually argue that the reason we say this is because the fact of parties

and countries calling themselves communists

probably bears some significance

and relevance as to what those words mean

but that doesn't mean we're establishing a universally applicable prescriptive rule

that anyone calling themselves socialist is the same thing and that's the essence of the meaning of socialism we're just saying

that that bears some significance and relevance

and we know this intuitively by the way in relation to the meaning of socialism you know we're not we're not creating we're not establishing a rule or a system of rules

but your retarded fucking american computer autistic not ab a sense of autism brain doesn't fucking allow you to understand that and you go ahead and make the extrapolation in a completely unjustifiable way philosophically amateur pigmy brained way that

he's creating some kind of universally applicable rule

and that is fucking stupid

party

no i don't think so i only think how was china communist

describe to me what communism is and then tell me how china is that

describe what it is in tell tell me how china is that you see the fucking wave wasah processes information and reasons

he first sets up an essence

and then superimposes that upon the reality he doesn't derive

his essence from the investigation of reality itself

do you want to see the differing perspectives of the materialist and idealist view of language

here it is vosh thinks you create prescriptive definitions that you then hold reality to the to the criterion to

rather than

the definitions deriving from

and being created by things in reality itself

you see the difference

and yes it is one hundred percent

the protestants bullshit

i think if china

is

first one

well when we say china what are we speak aboutre we talking about like the chinese communist party are we talking about the state

this the country of china which is ruled by a single party

why are you getting angry you fat fuck you fat ugly fuck what falking right do you have to be angry in this situation when you're the falking idiot and you want to test me on that oh i will debate you any time and any day with the moderator of your choosing

it called the chinese communist party

this guy's actually being the clear and coherent one and you fat as wash are the obscurentist he's asking for what you mean cause it's a really stupid thing you just said define what communism is and explain how china is that what do you mean by china dude what aspect of china what

like what do you what do you mean china means a lot of things china

like

you're making it seem like it's intuitively self evident it's not

clarify what you're trying to ask

what about china you know

it's like none of that is falking self evident this fat pink fok

no fence to pink

pink people but

he's like he's like myjen boo

you know

it's like his

there's some ugliness rising to the surface of his face

he has no nur on his face

i see a fucking pig

he's like a pig

oink is an oinking pig

well china is more totalitarian it's more that they have like a

council committee who has to talllitarian rule over

so of directed government how far theing confidental

you can have in cber you can have the recall

so i don't think cubs a dictaor how i din't say china's a dictator

how a should i knowy stying are you

see in the beginning if some one ambushed me with this question

i would actually have to think about preparing my answer and formulating it and it would take me like ten seconds and while i am doing that

his chat

would have these omegalaws

be he doesn't know he's ging out of his boket as he doesn't know he's a bokeddian when i'm trying to like calmly and rationally think about in a methodical way

how can i say this in the most simple and coherent way

that's intelligible but when you're dealing with bad faith

you shouldn't think that way because it doesn't matter what you say they're just going to try and look for and isolate anything

in which you say

and they will find something if you're looking for it you're going to find it you know they're going to look for anything anything in what you fuck and say

to fuck and slam you

and can dismiss you as an idiot

he this is a cult ok people call us a cult you will never find this level of mental retardation and dogmatism in our chat

never

this is a fucking clt dude this is a fucking calt

you know

this is a fucking call

this is sheep

these are all fucking sheep

i've never seen this before

literally all retarded

paid they maye

how is china communist

you kind of skip by the actual question there i don't think that is call me and you just say that i reeve we can

no i said i don't think chinese comed

i said i don't think china is a communist country he said vietnam and cuba

that i don't know if vietnam is i don't know w theyir political

oh

do you know can you define coud i could argue why it's communist i could fuck and argue that

i could argue it so easily with textual legitimacy for marx himself

es so fucking easily i could do it

i like i'm craving just to go on voschh's show and slap his bitch ass metaphorically in the face again

in front of his chat because this chat needs to see their daddy humiliated

like i did before

and again anyone who can' see how i fulked wash up

you're a fucking idiot and i just don't care about anything you have to say

imanism faity

can you define communismd money was clock with states society

look at this idiot josh ninety five communism is a stateless moneyless and classless society

no it's falcking not

that is not

that doesn't tell us anything about what communism means

i want you to roll back and think about this and we're going to go back just roll back please i'm trying to i'm trying to get i'm trying to like d brainwash walh wasah is calt go back and think about this

the phrase that communism is moneyless stateless and classless

is not adequately meaningful

as far as exhausting with the word communism

means do you know what meaning means

you know what it means for something to mean something

saying that if there's no money and there's no classes and there's no states

doesn't really tell us anything about what this word means it doesn't tell us about what it means historically it doesn't tell us

what it means practically for us now and right now it doesn't tell us what it means

in the context of how it's always been used

it tells us nothing

literally nothing

it doesn't even tell us anything about a hypothetical communist society it just tells about what there won't be

and why won't there be those things is completely arbitrary in no way

you know coherent or eloquently connected or tied together in that string of words stupid definition state less class less money less society

now if you have a deep philosophical understanding of marks

everything will be clear you'll be able to understand why people say this and why the mem is even out there and it will make sense

you know why communism will entail the eventual dissolution

of

what we consider modern states

money and classes

but what that means and how that works

is in no way

contained in the stateless classless moneyless society met

it's not even hinted at

in no way is any of that clarified

it's a completely meaningless and pointless mem

that is not even falking accurate

ok is vietnam that

no but ok there's not to distinguish we need to distinguish between when a country's economy materially is socialist and when

a party or an organization well

lennin

and all of these people if you okay

i want you to read what vietnames is

intellectuals themselves and theorists themselves say about socialism

because they actually attribute

meaning to the word socialism

the vietnamese people attribute meaning to the word socialism

colloqularly and intuitively they do

and for them socialism doesn't

mean

the same thing as what this guy just described as communism

socialism for them means more or less

some type of

ownership or control

the state can exercise

over the means of production

now

what that ownership look means and entails and how they own it

that is not given

that's the big thing people miss

the means of ownership is not given it doesn't actually have to conform

to the framework of classical liberal property rights

or

the the negation pure negation thereof

in other words it doesn't just mean you're applying the principle of liberally liberal liberal property rights

to the state

but that's what most people think is meant

by ownership of the means of production

or a person

ideologically how do you think marx who coined a material dialectic would feel about use

otch

i'm becoming a tiger who's just

ingry

wash brought up marx's name

and i'm like

oh my god

i'm in tiger mode

he fucking brought marx's name into

oh

vosh i will make you cry dude you will cry

you will fuck and cry tears dude

talk if you talk to somebody who actually understands marx

you will falking cry tears dude falking tears

saying that a party and a country re communist

because they adopt the aesthetics rather than because they're e nobody said that you're pulling that out of your fucking ass and you're making an unjustifiable extrapolation

as to the position of your opponent

economic and political material reality or communist

how do you think he would feel about you saying that

i think mark

as a philosopher who made the distinction between

vosh how would anyone feel about the ridiculous straw man that you pulled out of your fucking ass

this doesn't actually illuminate

the fact that you know anything about marx

it only illuminates

to us

that it's a self evidently absurd position

which anyone would recognise as absurd

don't say how would marx feel about it

that doesn't illuminate any specific knowledge you have about marx

you just set up a ridiculous self evidently ridiculous straw man position

ah and said oh yeah this guy who's smart in the nineteenth century would think that's absurd well anyone would think it's absurd why mention marks

fat as fok

mm

ugly bitch

material and ideological

but

imperative which do you think he cared about with regards to communism

commis voh do you want me to pull up the quote by marx himseelf that everyone should and everyone always recites anyway

you actually think marx cared about realizing a specific form of society in his head you think marx had an ideal version of society

that he wanted to realize and that was the point of marx and the significance of marx

i don't know where you i don't know where these people get marks from

who is their marks like

as some one who's been a marxist for ten years i am so baffled

that these people mention marx in the way they do i just want to know where they get their idea from of marx

because it's not from marx himself and it's not even from secondary sources about marx

it's not even from marxists not even marxists are this stupid

where's it from chomsky

i know i think it's just from chomsky

like exclusively jot chomsky

i think it's just chomsky actually

it's exclusively noram chomsky

exclusively

society which has themterially coned it

economy

so the best state that you could take that is the idea that none of these countries are communists but that they're led by communist leadership

yeah but i wouldn't say a country good because it's led by com leadership and hey vosh do you want to know the closest thing mark got to

to defining communism

was that he defined it in terms of it being a real movement

so even by this straw man

he would be more correct than you are

if were if he were to define

a communist country by a country that has

a communist leadership

that would be way more faithful to marx than anything you're saying

you fucking idiot

fat as fock beitch

thank you

chik china is not a good country because it

it might be from marx's civil war in france series of pamphlets where marx supports and upholds the paris commune as the dictator

no dude default c p i

you are ignoring marx and engles is critiques of the paris commune

marx

was not dogmatic about what the proletarian dictatorship means and recognized that in the paris commune

the proletariat rose up and seized power

but he didn't uphold the paris commune

as some supreme model that defines what a proletarian dictatorship would look like

you're looking over the way in which marxon engeles thoroughly critiqued the paris commune for actually focusing too much on the stupid democratic bullshit and not enough on

what is the german twist on liberty egalitarian fraternity it was

guns cannons and gunpowders or bayonets or something like that

they weren't focusing on

the dictatorial aspect enough

read what they wrote in their critique of the paris commune

and you understand that

this dictatorship is communist

ideological well none of them are communist none of these countries i do you know i think i would say that we can't really make that

distinction of whether or not the people in china

to tellitaran committee are ideologically cam it doesn't matter whether they're ideologically communist

well actually voh that can be a decisive factor as to why people would qualify those countries as communist they may not actually be saying anything about

you know the mode of production they may just be referring to the fact

they may just be slapping on the adjective communist to the fact

quite reasonably so

that people are idiologically communist and i'm not saying that's what they're doing in the case of china but just hypothetically

i just want to show you guys how poor vosh is at skills of basic reasoning and logic

and i feel like this is very elementary stuff

and i'm really curious as to how well vosh would do on the fucking logic portion of the l sat

you know the lset which lawyers have to take

i feel like vosh would bomb that part

i found it easy as fok and i aced the foking

that aspect of it

i fucked up on the logic games

but it's just that in' prepare for them i took the lset cold

but i would love to see how vosh does on the olset

because

he he doesn't know how to like he doesn't have those basic

thinking and reasoning skills

you know

that at least at the very ast a the minimum i would expect some one of this

level of importance on you tube would be able to have

he's known for being like a debate bro who's good at debating

he doesn't know how to like actually think logically

party doesn't enforce communist rule de finding

it does it dose were defining whether or not someone or something is communs

o we're defining whether the state is communist or the party is com voh by your own definition a state can't be communist

in what way can a state be communist according to your own definition are you just trying to say that it's self evident

that they're not communist because states can't be communist

but marx himself would disagree with you and everyone

who's understanding this without

without the fucking baggage of dogmatism that's weighing your fat fuck ass down

would be able to understand that a state can be communist

because it's comprised of communists

and they are they are a manifestation of the real living movement and force of communism

and to the extent that they rule as statesmen

they rule

in the realisation of communism

and on what time scale that is and what that looks like

can't be taken for granted

communist and that can only be the mined by what they do

not by inferring their private beliefs in the comfort of their w not tking no one in the world the corn

and i know you know people can be communist

the chinese communist party is not ok how can be someone be communist was wash will be like

well but you can have a pencil factory

no wash

that's not what marx and engels thought

marx and engels thought that the

consequences of communism

must be at the level of something that is at the scale at least of what is encompassed by states

not local dumb bullshit

communist because it doesn't do communism with its aarty gover

i can easily easily

stock or

what vosh is saying here it doesn't do communism

it doesn't do communism

do you even know what communism is

do you have like a minimal level of acquaintance

a minimal level of acquaintance of what that word actually means

what make a p what does communist practice look like what does it mean to rule as a communist

ya

it doesn't do communist things but it's all ropes back to the fact that you have a dogmatic assumption

but what communism even means

which you can't justify

because it's not based on the reality

that gave meaning to the fucking word

it's like at a certain point

vosh instead of creating absurd axiomatic rules

why don't you just think about it like this

why are all these people in history and now calling themselves communists

like

why are they doing it like of all the things why call themselves communists

we're not saying it's just because they call themselves communists

but

don't you think there's some significance to that and that

might point us in the direction

to the meaning of the word about something in relation to the meaning of the word communism

why of all things are they calling themselves communists

what to deceive people

i mean why from a pragmatic perspective doesn't make any sense soviet union's gone

but even you according to the soviet union itself

wasn't commun wll

why was it called why were the why were the rulers of the soviet union calling themselves communists

because they feared the true communism that's coming from vosh's fat fuck ass

person to call me if then

i not eveing in communism

but we're not talking about people

so you can di thin i just hate how you gets so bucking angry

as though like he has direct access to the essence of the meaning of the word and like he's defending it like a big fat as hen sitting on some eggs and like his eggs are being threatened i just it just triggers me it gets me so fucking angry

that

he can think he can be aggressive about this

like what are you so aggressive about you fat ass

what fucking eggs are your is your fat as sitting on

you have nothing dude

you are falking nothing

you have nothing you can't justify shit

why are you getting so mad about it you don't know what those words mean dude

you don't know what you're fucking talking about i just proved dee you don't know what you're fucking talking about

like you don't know what you're talking about dude

whether or not the people who are at toalp of chines

tliitarian committee you're not know we're not talking about the people

to os they call themselves communist to lie and keep the masses controlled but it be much easier to do that

not calling yourself a communist

you think the masses in russia

by the fifties and sixties

gave a fuck about the authentic communism that

the bolshevik dictatorship destroyed they didn't give a fuck about that you think like the communist party was trying to keep that at bay no they were trying to keep foreign influences at bay

like american influence

which might have posed a threat to the internal stability of

when when

when stalin wrote that the collapse of the soviet union would mean the victor the victory of the darkest most reactionary period

in in uh in um

in the former russian empire like you think he's referring to the authentic communists and real anarchists

no dude he's referring to like you know the black one hundres

the russian chauvinists the monarchis fascists

people who probably would have gained traction

if the soviet union were to have collapsed at that time

you think h h socialists were a big threat to the soviet government that they had to call themselves communist to deceive the masses from like what is his argument like why did they call themselves communist according to wash

is it because communism meant something to them

or is it because

what

in the party

like vosh thinks

look at his fat fuck ugly bitch face i want you to look at this guy's face ready

amidst all the soviet intellectuals and philosophers and etiologists of marxism leninism

this fat ass right here this fat pink ugly fock

thinks

he's smarter than them all

and that he's right and all of them were wrong

he's right this guy's right all of them were wrong and he was right

and he actually thinks that in his head

in his fucking head

he actually fucking thinks that

he actually fucking thinks that in his head

this is like absurd dude this is a textbook case

of fucking incredible

incredible absurdity

i can't falk and believe it

we're talking about the party

the party governs through action it's like from an argumentative perspective you know how frustrating it is to be able to like

slam a fucking argument like hammer down to a mouse

and you slam it and yet he's still here it's like i destroyed him

i destroyed the essence of who voh is

but he's still here

is that fucking frustrating like i have actually destroyed him

mm

and he still acts as though i haven't raised

a point of contention

that fundamentally undermine everything this fat fuck is about

actions are how party delineates policy

and if

those actions are how a party delineates policy wasoh

i'm going to be an anglo now and i'm going to be like wasoh you're kind of using words in

the incorrect way

i

policy maaking is how you delineate the policy

i think what you're trying to say is how you prove

the

the consequences of a policy how you affect a policy is through actions is what you're trying to say you don't delineate the policy th the actions you affect the policy

through the actions

for someone who's so hung up on definitions in the correct use of words

this seems to be a really stupid fucking mistake

actions aren't communist or pushing towards communism

you cannot

show me where marx and angles say communism is a policy that sounds about the most stupid fucking thing i've ever heard

communism is a policy now that you affect in reality

are you stupid wash

according to you then marx and angles as ten planks of the communist manifesto is the sum total of what communist policy means

surely that must be the case wash

reasonably say that party is communist

regardless of der frimate leaders wich ca me and i mean i would say i would say that you yourself we're using this

same line of origmentation i would say that you're not

it's not just that they believe in communism wash

it's not just that they believe in communism

they rule as communists

so means yes they do what communists do in power

communist because you're telling people

to odocate cor ellic co that has nothing to do with what we're talking about but i'm significant

the whole flaw stems from the premise

that communism is some ideal form of society and therefore

communist action means actions that bring about

this ideal type of society

but marx himself explicitly denied that

is the problem

and yet he gets angry over this shitp

and he's that fucking stupid

eficently more of a communist than you are

there's nothing more damaging to socialism than people like you will throw the label on any old yeah there's nothing more damaging to socialism

than the only real examples of what socialism means in the world itself

this is such a pathetic this is oh's brilliant p r here's my p r guys

every intuition you the american people have

and every use of common sense you have in relation to what socialism and communism mean

which is some associating it with the actual examples of it in the world

that's just a gnostic

deception created by the demieurge

you have to listen to me voh and i'll give you the correct meaning

ok guys i am not

an expert on cult psychology

but from what little i do know

that is literally how cults work

clts basically say

the intuitions of the layman are some there's some kind of gnostic deception that's going on

and your reality has to be filtered through me

specifically mek specifically

and i am the sole authority through which reality will be made meaningful

so anyone who doesn't join vosch's cult

is just a fucking that's voshs p r voshs p r strategy is this if you don't join my cult you're a fucking idiot and a fascist

and i a moron who should be written off

i mean it's no wonder that voch assumes

the political positions he does because he's created a special cult

centered

in metropolitan america

not only you know

a minority of americans are going to be part of

and he inevitably has to set himself up against the majority of the american people because the majority of the american people aren't interested in joining vaoshs special cult if you

look at how we

relate to these words communism socialism

we never impose some special criterion of the meaning of those words we work with people's intuition and please listen to how i'll talk to normal people and they mention communism is this

and i'll be like

all i'll do is clarify things about

communist countries factually

i'm not going to go ahead and say oh

everything that communism means to you is wrong there's no association with all those people calling themselves communists i'll work with it and if people say oh well russia was communist do you think the first thing i'm going to say is that no it wasn't

i'll be like ok but what did that mean for russia

and people are naturally curious especially curious about russia given the media's demonization of it

and this idea that americans

are inherently hostile and not curious

toward real existing socialism is a fucking lie

and you want to no proof of that lie

in the middle of the cold war whent kruschov

the first time a soviet statesman visited america

i want you to look at the crowd

khushchev brought

that came and received him

these were ordinary american working class people farmers workers

and they were crowding around this celebrity krusov

just because they were so fuck and curious

because the soviet union was just so mysterious to americans

this was the first time a head of state even visited america

look i want you to look at the footage of kruschov coming to the american corn fields and all those working class people and farmers gathering around the guy

because they're naturally curious

yes the propaganda is what prevails

but that propaganda is just

a layer on top of an inner curiosity

which socialists have to actually work with because they are

people are fucking curious about this shit

okay

back to the content

old thing that calls itself socialist

i just

i just think that it's funny for some to say that you can't see the chinese parts communist because it's not put policies which

convince you that they are communist

it no it's just not it's doing nothing communist

yeah the chinese communist party

the communist party of china

i think is the correct word

a way of putting it

it's not communist because wash said so

so when a when a billion china over a billion chinese people say it's communist

they're wrong and voss is right

oh is right

that's what he thinks in his head he's like in his head

look at look at we're going to see his brain maybe

he actually fugk and thinks that

he actually fucking thinks that ok i'm not going to be able us or something but

someone told me vosch has autism

is that true because that will change my approach to him if it's true

because

i'll just recognize it as an

a mental disability

he actually does

oh

wait

really

oh you're autistic

and you're watching me which means

that that's not an excuse

no it's not an excuse because there are people who are autistic who watch me

and it's not a fucking excuse

not for joe bit the joe cut wait hold on so again wait hold on i can only get to so much

ok just to clarify if what i'm saying isn't self evidently you know makes sense

you don't the idea that you can premise the meaning of the word communist and then superimpose that meaning upon the chinese communist party and say hey chinese communists you need to change your name because it's the wrong meaning

you're getting it backwards

ok you're getting it backwards how words

now if you want to try and say that the meaning of communism some type of original meaning of communism

has been lost

maybe you can try and make that argument i'll knock you your bit chest right down you know i'll slap you down if you make the argument but you can at least try and make that argument

you can't even try to argue

that the chinese that there is no meaning to the word communism

that meet that's the reason that there's the chinese communist party and that it is a communist party in a sense at least

but to say that in no sense is it communist

you just can't argue that without looking like the biggest fucking idiot on earth to

you can try to say there's an original meaning of communism that's been lost good luck trying to argue that by the way i would love to see you

exhume

that original meaning

and show me wherein marks that original meaning is there

it is fundamentally contradicted by the

the party to the point that the name is just ornamental and has no significance except

acknowledging some historical continuity try and make that argument

but we're vosh is beginning is just

fundamentally focking indefensible

ignorance at a time call the chinese communist party is literally rewriting mouse tenants and trying to privatize their economy

two things

ok two things

there was private

private property undermount

toward males later life there was a debate that male initiated about what it what was the meaning

that lenin said that the proletarian dictatorship is a dictatorship over the bourgeoisie

the implication that mao recognized

was that it would be very easy

to to

it would be very easy to initiate the reforms that deng later actually did

these reforms by deng were anticipated by the late mau

no one's rewriting mao's writings dude

now the communist party

throughout the years has made additions

has made additions according to new circumstances

but mao himself

said that that was part of what the essence of marxism was which was

you know

continually updating it according to new conditions and

chinese communist and marxist themselves would say as much

one sec

all right sorry about that guys

by what possiblyy been tri was a communist then

why i don't think a lot i don't think a lot of those

oh shit guys i'm guys i don't know anything i'm not educated enough about like

the whole spectrum autism thing

i just was told that

it's associated with rige rigidity or something but i don't

please don't you know

i don't know anything please forgive me you know i don't know anything about

i don't know anything about it

you know

but what

i don't know about you

w what no communist

is who may appear

mr moer call me

wait hold on is what it is that his polici is called what is the party

in china

doing that is communist

how would

wash you just said that it's not communist because it's revising mao

but

he just aays do do you think mouse communist then

you oh why don't you roll with the fucking where the argument led you don't go back

don't go back to the original thing

roll with the punches dude

was it communist

more you said for somebody to be communis they need to believe in commun no not we're not talking about peopleo god

we're not talking about people

we're talking about the party

so how is the party

dude eugenics don't say that dude don't say that

people will not savage you dude

not here at least

you know

don't say that dude

eight

communist

more who makes up the party christ almighty

that's actually like talking with a six year old

we am

all right

vosh i argued with your fucking viewers before

and they were going in circles worse than this

you weren't being adequately clear in your question you just kept repeating the question

without justifying why

you know you're the point for you wash

like when i was arguing with your n p c fan

i had to put it in a thousand different ways

and i kept going back to square one

you're a fucking fat idiot wash

wow it's a like i actually have to drop so many wrongs of political analysis to be able to have a conversation with a guy like that

jesus christ please bosh

entertain me with your political analysis and see if it survives me

but you're a fat coward who keeps running away from me and tries to blacklist me

just like you don't want me to come yesterday on prime k's panel cause you were scared shitless of me

to this day you're scared shitless of me because i'm fucking traumatized you in our encounter

osh i'm actually a guy who knows he's talking about

and i'm after you dude

hom i'm here to expose your bit jazz

you're not getting away with it for much longer dude

and a lot of people are behind me and sick of you

a lot of people who know what they're talking about are sick of you

you the are sick of you

you need to be put in your place

and i'm here to fuck and do that

east

oh

it's actually extraordinary that i share a movement with people like this it's like wow

why do you hang up yeah wait you kidding me

ho how is a country commun well the country is communist because the party is communist

and the party's communist because

maybe there are people in it who are come you're deducing rules and axioms and systems

when no one put

forward them and establish them

you have no right to

come to those conclusions vosh

there's no way you can justify imposing those rules on

communist i don't know you could do that with anything

what if the national socialist party a

germany was communist well there is a reason why the nazis called themselves socialists

and

in the modern context you can't say they're socialist

but it's not really

i mean at the time you could

contest them that they're socialist you could say

you're not socialist

because you serve the interests

of the british financial elites for example

you're just pretending to be socialists

but you think the first thing communists were focused on was that

you think communism's communist got bogged down in the weeds of

the legitimacy of the word socialism

as far as the nazis were concerned

the problem is one of essence

essence of words and this is what i wanted to get in

in our conversation about dialectics

specifically was about this and i don't think we have time now

but i wanted to use em s paint and go over why it is that when we derive

definitions from reality

we cannot then be justified in ad hoc

imposing those definitions

on reality

in other words

when we derive a specific expression of meaning on reality

that is not automatically a holy writ

with which to impose

upon reality

the only time we can do the only time we can use forms to indiscriminately be imposed upon reality

is something called

law

state power

we can only define

this fundamentally undifferentiated reality

according to which everything is the same

that stands before our predscribed form

like

we

okay let me

really quick emas paint super quick

super quick

okay

this is how vosh understands definitions you've got the anglo box or whatever

and then

this whole reality surrounding it

reality outs

outside

the box undifferentiated

undifferentiated indeterminate

to whom it may be concerned

undifferentiated indeterminate

anonymous

right

but this is the dialectic approach to definition

let's say

you have

i guess let's say you have some type of definition

o

it's an open box right it this is just for right

some kind of form

and this is the

reality

and this is the reality is the source of the form

right

so the reality is

you know giving form to it

ok what is this

here

in above

example

the form

is it in a

relation of continual

engagement dialogue

and dialectic

with

the source

of its origination and dur

what is the word dere

derivation

but

what is the word

deriviation

fucking idiot

sorry

deriviation

ok so

i got to do some things

so the black stand you're going to do the union of thing so black is reality

black material reality

white box

four

see

it's not you just don't set up a box and say

this applies universally to everything

but

what are the circumstances in which you do have that box thus far but it's changing now but thus far

statehood

outside the box

can be any

can be filled but is not necessarily filled with enemies political enemies

the reason the state must address an anonymous indeterminate subject is because

enemies can hide

enemies

hide among those subjects and are assumed to

so for example

tsa

t s a

people

who wants to get on airplanes

ok

do you think the t s a is saying everyone

is a terrorist no

but they have to establish a rule that applies to everyone because they assume that among everyone

some may be terrorists so this is an example of establishing form against the grain of the void

to whom it may be concerned

an indeterminate and anonymous subject

see what i mean now

vosh acts like the t s a when it comes to the use of words

to material reality itself

see

that's the problem

but you can only justify that

when you have some kind of

ground

like a state to grant to stand upon

that's all i can show you for now but we're going to have to end the stream

okay guys

beautiful stream i love today's stream

i would stream for another four minutes

should i stay for another four minutes to get that exact

six minute mark

and should i take this stuff

mm

yeah i love this stream

this is a great stream

i think i am going to take this ship

fox

i'm going to take two of them

two were ready

oh we can raid someone

everyone stayed

only leave after we raid

i'm going to stay for another three minutes and then we're going to raid someone

do wash my hands

are right

let's look for someone to raid

or i'll do it it's i wing to make it a surprise

i'm going to raid vas

we got one minute left

but who's on prime a case

maybe i'll ad them

well they are they're all addressed everything a not i promise you yet ok which one would i like to address

what e is he

it for that it

they're all who megawoves hold on

but to red wassh

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hold on no i can't

prepare the raid

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fifty eight sixty

sixty viewers ready for rating

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okay

ready

we go now