DEBATING MATHEW HEIMBACH [2021-12-07]

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thank so m yeah want to introduce yourself

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sure well my name is matthew heiinbach i

where i fall in the political spectrum just a little bit about me i started my journey into politics on the the

far left essentially

and when i was a teenager i got handed a book called settlers the mythology of the white bteriat

and was told by the organized left

immunity essentially in the united states

that the white working class not only didn't exist

but fundamentally we were the enemies and there was no place

for white working people to be able to advocate for change

against the capitalist system and imperialism

and uh that was really tiresome so i journeyed throughout national socialism for a very long time

in the strassorst vein

the the left wing

element of national socialism

but i came to a conclusion that there were some fundamental issues within

national socialism and fascism

which brought me to doing more research and developing an understanding have i currently along with my co host george eckhardt just started a new podcast national bolshevik radio on odyssey

and uh where i stand is

i'm a socialist i oppose capitalism

internationalism

but i also have an affirmative ethnic identity

which is a normal thing for socialists around the world to have a sense of patriotism and identity

but it's kind of looked down on here in the united states apparently

um but that's kind of where i lie on things

right

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good how are you

doing good so yeah introduce yourself

tell people where you lie on the political spectrum and where people can find you

i

' sorry o mo i'm just dealing with some streme stuff

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oka we're good

so i'm haz from the infrared collective i'm a marxijust i would consider myself an orthodox marxist leninist

in the international sense of the word like

as far as the reigning communist parties are concerned

but in the western sense of the word

we would be considered quite unorthodox right as marxist leninis

so um

my view is that the

basically on this question is that the

i'm completely opposed to the way in which the western left has interpreted and translated the experience of twentieth century communism into western countries

and i seek to challenge and reevaluate

re evaluate that

right

so yeah here's what will do each person can give i'm here myself echo

um

okay mat me

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so why don't we get started with opening statements matthew when you get us going

uh sure well again it's uh great to be here and uh you know for me one of the most important things i think is to define terms so we're not talking past each other accidentally

national bolshevism has been used by a variety of people in numerous countries

to describe socialism bolshevism that's neither liberal nor cosmopolitan

in a lot of ways my political and social philosophy is in line with hoche memin for instance

who he defined the idea of patriotism and nationalism

as not the bourgeois definition of a selfish nationalism a chauvinism

but one that respected the rights and interests of not only his own national

munity

but all other nations while not harming common interests and having an international

a sense of solidarity

this internationalism should be based on independence self reliance and self determination

which is what i'm advocating for

my people here in the united states

i think one of the biggest problems is often people look to historical movements

and they try and shoehorn that essentially into an american

context and

it was kimel song said

that you know the

revolution cannot be important

it's got to be naturally developed among the people

and

going back to the palmer raids going back to the first and second red scare going to coen tel pro

and all the attacks that have been levied against working class movements in this country up to and including

assassinations of guys like fred hampton of the black panther party

the real left in the united states hasn't existed for a very long time and what does exist

is the sort of settlers variety

that you know they claim that anyone that cares about class is a quote unquote class reductionist

and anyone that has an affirmative ethnic identity

is somehow not able to be a socialist i think that you can be a socialist

and have an affirmative tie to who you are to your people to your community

while still having that spirit of

nationalism and solidarity

so i support self determination

and i believe that we really have the ability

to not get stuck diving into abstractions

but instead

finding out what the real struggles are of work

keep

i mean for myself i've spent over a decade

and various forms of activism

h a lot of it based on

community organizing

and charity

of working with real working people

and a lot of the modern left not saying the all but a lot of the modern left

doesn't really know what a real working class person is or it seems like they have a sense of classism that hates and rejects them

so i think we're in a place here in you know twenty twenty one

where a real socialism can be developed and we can be able to make real material gains for the working class

and give them a voice

and identity which is part of the human experience can be an important part of

all right so you can just jump right in then

alright so um

is beginning based on what you said especially initially you

i don't really think i have any contention with that you know i also don't think that there's anything incompatible between

socialism or communism with

the specific civilizational and national realities of various different peoples

i guess just based on the face value based on what you already said

i guess what i would be interested in knowing is

what specifically separates your view of the

i think you you call it national bolshevism from from orthodox marxism leninism

because

there's national bolsvism is kind of a very

ambiguous term when i hear it right because

on the one hand you can refer to the the

in the phenomena from the one nine hundred ninety s in russia with lemanov and

those kind of people

which i identify as it was a kind of provocative anarchistic art project right more or less

and then you can go further in history and you can talk about

the tendency that originated in germany but

this tendency was specifically about

how

um

it was a specific way of proposing how to address the treaty of versailles

so

that was actually a position lennin addressed

in left wing communism and infitile disorder

i mean ironically right he's addressing national bolshevism in his

book that's a critique of the ultra leftist but

i agree with lennon on that position however that the

there could be no question that there couldn't be an alliance with a big industrial bourgeoisie

of germany against the treaty of versailles right

so but beyond that i really don't know

i'm not really too familiar with this

what's called the

national bosm beyond that context i don't really know

what would separate it based on the way you described it from an orthodox marxist leninist position

sure well i think one of the most important things is you know were i living in russia

right now

i would most likely just be a member of the russian communist party which of course is a marxist let in this party

or if i was chinese i would be a member of the chinese communist party

but here in the united states you know it was caleb moffin

has identified i think very accurately

the concept of the synthetic left has really perverted with the exception of just

a few voices out there in the wilderness

what

marxist linism really is so for me

having that element of affirmative identity

which wasn't a question

like if you go back to thee nineteen sixti s

with the original rainbow coalition that was founded by fred hampton the black panther party

they worked with the young patriots organization

which as they were combating

the issues of police brutality and they were combating the imperialism of the vietnam war

you had guys who you know were there in their leather jackets and their berets and the black panthers

next to appalachians that were wearing confederate battle flags

that had their own affirmative ethnic identity but that didn't break any form of solidarity

and i mean that's why the f b i said that the rainbow coalition in fred hampton

were more dangerous to the american way of life

which is capitalism and imperialism

we're more dangerous than the soviet union in china

at the time so

for me you know do i have inspirations obviously from

uh national bolshevik thinkers

um like ern s nizka

and others yes but in the modern context it really is just a way

of also identifying that one can be a socialist and a communist

that separate from like

c usa or d sa you know the d sa who just held a vote that uh you know one of their congressmen

ish o k with israeli apartheid and war crimes

but he can stay

but you know heaven help if someone in the d s a were to accidentally misgender someone

then you know obviously they've got to go

we don't really have a serious socialist movement in the united states so it's a way of kind of separating

instead of having to dig through for hours

of what you mean by socialism

isn't

and you know numerous culture war issues

that have nothing to do with socialism

and instead it's i you know i have an ethnic identity

which is fine it's not to the detraction of any other ethnic identity or group

and uh i'm actually a socialist because

right now the american left is very very sad

um

specifically h

when it comes to

applying socialism to american the american context

still it's kind of strange to me that one would use the term national bolsevism because this is a term

that i mean the word bolshevism obviously appli it's a russian name bolshevik right

also uh

another thing that seems a little

strange to me is

the national aspect because the national question as applied to the united states is actually a very difficult

an ambiguous question it's one that i've personally struggled with i

a lot

i'm not really convinced that for example people within appalachia

um

constitute a different ethnos

right the specific ethanols

it seems there's a specific

a black ethnols right

ah

you know specifically we could see the black panther party and so on and so on represent that

and to be fair a lot of people don't know this but

when hughie newton was confronted with the question of how can white people support the black panther party he actually said

you should form your own whites panther party right

so

but still i think this is a simplification because

i don't really think white people in united states constitute

a a unique ethnos beyond

being the defined negative

right

separate fromll those who fall outside of it characteristic

like

it seems to be a word for

one who is

already kind of entwined with institutions right the more institutionalized and socialized

the more one falls into this kind of cultural

category right

which is why there's actually more similarity between rural white people

and black people than there is between black people and white liberals in the city because the city white liberals are like

they epitomize all of the features one associates with whiteness

in a viyear

very stiff frigid politically correct

but

to me i think it's very important not to fall into the er of

but anarchism right

i don't believe one should define themselves purely on the basis of opposing

for example opposing the left

i myself opposed the american left and so on and so on

but i'm not willing to concede

that they have correctly the

they correctly represent

the international left

within the united states that they correctly import

the insight of the experience of communism and socialism in the united states

and

h

when you at that's why for example it's been a great source of conflict between me and them even more in some regards than the way that they're going to be in conflict with

the like outright writers like the fact that uh i do remain committed

to the orthodox marxist lenin his project

has created more antagonism with these leftists in the united states

then if were i were i to just be some kind of a

right winger so i don't think it should be conceded to them

a

i think we should not take for granted this categories of left and right what if it really is a synthetic left

and that the question of communism in the united states is an open question what if they don't represent

the communism the united states what if it's completely different if it were to be a

if the correct insights of the

communism elsewhere was applied to united states

we should have

and by we i mean everyone who

remains committed to

communist project but opposes american left

should

have a

a degree of indifference toward leftists who cares about them they're a tiny minority of the population right

they seem intimidating because

that like they they gang up together and you know they attack people and they whatever on twitter and on social media but in the grand scheme of things they're not really that significant so

the question of building communism in the united states i think remains open question

now regarding d sa i think it's a completely

irredemable bankrupt

organization but

as far as the communist party is concerned

i am currently wagering that there is some kind of

possibility of re

rich reforging a party right

specifically by

h bringing in

people who are more representative of the working class within the party

right

but we'll see how that how that turns out but

i guess is's all i have to say for that

sure well i think one of the most important things is the question of a white identity

and you know for myself you know what i did my my twenty three and me and my family genealogy

and traced back to where my ancestors came from

i was to southern germany and to ireland and i've been to southern germany i've been to ireland

and while i can see elements of my family there

even if i spoke fluent german

i wouldn't be able to be air dropped into bavaria and be a bavaria

right like i couldn't just go live in a a small irish village

and be one hundred percent irish

and

my identity as a white person

was formed through ethnogenesis here in the united states

so

you know understanding ethnicity is part of the human experience and like you mentioned you know with black americans for instance

that they came from dozens of tribal groups national groups

taken against their will to this country and they formed over the last several centuries

their own unique identity

and that's why for instance you know after the civil war

freed slaves going back to liberia and stuff like that they didn't just

integrate into the west african experience

they still had a lot of their own ethnic identity so i think it's important that we positively affirm

who we are

and work then in an american context and develop that

because i mean here in the united states

we see the power that racial divide has been levied against everyone

and you know there were you know the first laws that were passed to divide

class in this country on the basis of race

fter bacon's rebellioionus

right when white indentured servants and black slaves realize that they had a lot more in common in terms of material conditions

against the planner class

and that's where we see the introduction of dividing

work

but that doesn't mean the identities aren't there and that they are

so i think having

that is part of our explicit platform that it's oky to be whoever you are

and to be proud of your heritage not to the point of chauvinism

where you look down or divide from other people

but you know we need to uphold the right of self determination that

lenin

marx even you know james connelly irish republicans like that

upheld the right of self determination i mean even the communist party in the nineteen twenties

supported the creation of an independent black state in america

because

i'm not really an america

because like this question is like what is america and i would say it's essentially

a continental shopping

right like

it's one big company town that for one reason or another all of us are here

so i don't think clinging to an american identity really makes sense but we have developed unique ethnic identities

and you know we're all members of the work

class and need to be able to find ways to fight against capitalism

imperialism

when we're stuck in this asylum being run essentially by

uh absolute psychopaths that that hate all of us and exploit all of us

so i think that's why identity is important

and i am a white person

like that

that just is what it is i'm not a german i'm not an irishman

uh i am white and how can we decolonize whiteness from being tied to the systems of oppression

the american empire has created

and you know what the modern american left says is like well then just stop having an ethnic identity

and you know this is my family it's part of my heritage and you know also i think issues of faith are very

and that is really what motivates me you know the concept of faith family and

unit

and then

building with solidarity with other ethnic communities and we've seen that it works in the united states

it just hasn't really been tried in the past fifty or sixty years due to government repression

well

the thing is is that

what is the

what is called white in the united states is

not specific enough to encompass any kind of real ethnol

for example

as far as people's unique heritage and tradition is concerned

they're going to do that through their family so here was my grandpa and his father and his father

they came from a ship and this date in this date

and there's nothing wrong with celebrating this unique heritage right this is something based in family

and maybe it's even based in geography in certain cases right there's probably parts of america where there's a village or a town of people

primarily who came from

finland or something right

so i don't see anything wrong with this

but

the white identity doesn't not compass specific and unique ethnols as far as i can see

like and one of the evidence i have for this is that

it's com

always changing right for example

the people who came fresh off the boat in ellis island

i

italians

you know

irish

all these other kinds of non wasp people they were not considered white right

but then

through a process spanning decades and decades of these people becoming more embedded within the country institutionalized and so on and so on

naturalized so to speak

they suddenly have become white

right

so to me the only thing that unites

the so called white identity within united states

is a fundamental embeddedness within

united states as a state

so it is a fundamentally american identity it's really just

the american flag that's going to unite

these various different people

now the reason why

black people will not be encompassed by that

specifically

can be actually traced historically and this is kind of my materialist analysis

to the aftermath of slavery in which they were not given an economic base that attaches them to some kind of loyalty to the state with the forty acres in the mule

other peoples for example

during the the westward expansion where they could just claim land with the homestead act and then later after the in the aftermath of world war two

with the housing reform after the new deal

there was there was a loyalty that was secured to the state

among

the ellis island immigrants as well right

so

land is the central

reason basically why

that the black identity has not been integrated

into the general america and also it's also because black is an umbrella term

to refer to various different descendants of slaves from africa

right

so there's also the aspect of pan africani ism that comes from marcus garvin

so on and that kind of specific lineage

so

black is not so much its own

ethnic identity as much as it is a kind of repository

of people who have

a connection to africa and want to embrace that specific connection

and the reason they have to make that distinct is because that is not something that has been made inherent in the american identity

which is mostly

thus far right

the european

in words

right

also in the case of latinos

the distinction but even the distinction from white people becomes kind of very much

are to

draw a line there's different kind of syncretic communities

of people mixed between white and lasino and so on when he gets closer to the border

of mexico

so to me i agree that we need to have a national question and that american identity obviously by itself does not suffice

but where i find it difficult to understand is how

white

people

the term whites people can constitute a nation now when we say for example you

you are white you masthew you are white

all that basically means is you are not

a black latino or

someone who falls outside of this ctagorphy right but what

are you positively in the positive sense of the word

you would have to consult your specific family background your

where you were born where you grew up

things kind of like this will give an error of determinant

positive form

they sll i mean i think one of the issues here is you know i don't think black identity

is merely the lack of having been integrated into american cosmopolitan i agree it's it's its own identity and the thing is

that white americans we have the same general past we have the same general future if you're looking at at politics and economics

we get the same cultural references and we've developed a unique culture

and it's not anyone else's place to erase my identity or have to define like

is whiteness good enough just like it's definitely not my place

to tell a black person

that

well is blackness even even real identity is a personal thing within a community

and you know the thing is everyone knows what a what a white person is and i agree like i've

i've been to europe plenty of times and

whiteness exists as its own unique identity it's not a catch all term for every european from the caucuses

all the way to argentina

it existed and developed in its own unique context especially here in the united states

um and

the thing is like it i mean have you have you ever read a white trash by nancy eisenberg

no i haven't

i wey i heavily suggest it be caause i mean the thing is eisenberg traces from the first days of colonization

up towards the modern period

how white folks have been exploited by the capitalist system but also throughout that how

we've developed our own forms of

identity and community

so you know i i i think instead of arguing because you know you can see this in you know certain white nationalist circles

where the argument of like well well who is white what is white enough you see this from liberal circles about is whiteness even an effect of identity

i think it comes down to the individual and the communities

that say this is

who we are this is what our heritage is

and if we can affirm that if people don't want to have the identity

then that's ok like if if a black person

it has more connection with for instance a religious faith

or something they have and that's how they choose to identify

well that's their right

all i'm saying is that for those of us

who do hold this ethnic identity

well that's a positive thing and everyone should have a positive identity of whatever their their choice is based on their history

and we can take that from there to

work on the problems that are facing all of us

but the problem for me is that white encompasses people with radically different histories right

and i mean in europe i mean like my irish so what you b y german y so what you basically mean is white is basically in the united states everyone of european descent is what you would say

well i would say you know i'm also an orthodox christian

uh yeah so i've been in plenty of churches

where people who are greek

people who are serbian and stuff like that

and they' have held on to

language culture

customs

and the identity of their homeland

so i would say that that person is a greek person or that is a serb or that is a romanian

that it's through an ethnogenesis

that whiteness was developed as an identity it's not just a catch all that anyone who happens to have the same amount of melanon as me

is part of

the group

it's an identity that was formed over time that like

my german ancestors were told that you had to learn to speak english you know that during world war one a lutheran priest was beaten nearly to death because he was giving last rights to a german

uh in a hospital

the

so a lot of

who we are in terms of our ancestral identities

were stripped through the americanization

i

of

i'm

you know our ancestors

but we have formed a unique identity you know you can't go into the hills and hollers of west virginia

and not

have a sense of culture and place and a people

and i think that's a positive thing you know no at no point during the labor movement struggles you know with united mine workers and stuff like that

was there a question about

is whiteness and identity or does it exist it was simply said

whiteness does exist blackness does exist and you both are workers and we need to fight the bosses together

and that's that's my position i'm coming

i agree that if you went to west virginia you would you would find all this but

the issue is that too much is in compassed by white

so for example

you have to look at it also from the urban and rural divide it seems to me that

one becomes more white

the more urban they are right

it but it depends on how one is defining whiteness in the first place

the way in which white

is mostly defined

oh

in my understanding and i could be wrong

is reflexivity a sense of like acute reflexivity basically that the

one defines the ground of their being based on some kind of a

institution or some kind of like a

consciously held premise like one

reflxive just in the sense that like one adopts this sense of

you know it's typical people say purity but just kind of pure form right and you can think of this in terms of political correctness and politically correct culture

for example

one is in when they're using the right language and they're using the right mannerisms and you're proving that you have a kind of a

reflexivity right

whle one is out when one's just being their authentic normal and plain self then one is completely excommunicated right

so

interestingly despite political correctness

having an anti racist veneer

it follows the pattern of

whiteness as described for example by the theorious i'mfamiliar with

but

this ethno genesis i think does apply to specific peoples like inan appalachia for example that is a good example of something like that

and then in the south

you have even a different even in texas and louisiana and

sir

get what they're called

it couldjune something like that

yeah i cant think the cajuns cajuns yeah

and then in michigan even where i live you also have this kind of

different communities

but

i still struggle to see how there's this is one white nation or one white ethnos right because

to me ethnos

a cannot just be defined by what it is not

has to have a particular substantive determinant reality so

what are some features you would identify

of this suppose it white ethnos that applies to all of these different peoples

sure well i mean as an example i've you know spent a lot of my life

adult life in appalachia

but i've also lived in pittsburgh

i've also lived in michigan

it's a great state beautiful state

ah i lived in montana for a while and

you know for me

there was no question

when i was in pittsburgh and all the guys i pretty much knew were

teamsters or iron workers or you know good

working class folks with families

you know we went to church together we shared heritage

and were they from

different parts of europe originally than myself at least some of them were you know a lot of eastern european immigrants and stuff like that

but we shared a cultural bond

and an understanding

that you know and it's very similar as you can see in the black american experience

black folks in michigan

and black folks in georgia

do have the same sort of basis of having developed a culture and then of course especially due to economic reasons

having to spread out like when i was in montana

they the local county had a southern barbecue

they would hold every single summer

where you know folks after the war

they didn't have farms to go back to

so a lot of them started to go out west and they kept part of their state heritage and stuff like that

and their southernness

but it's also an expression of whiteness for people that had no ancestors from the south

came and participated in and it was seen as a cultural event

that everyone could participate in and it's the same way i think with black people

in the united states it's the same as we see the growing of hispanic identity

which is going to be separate then you know some

mere latin american i national identity

that they're forming in the united states their own

a

identity through ethnogenesis

so i don't define whiteness by were not black

or we're not latino or we're not american indian

i do it by the fact that we have you know shared culture

shared customs shared language

and

is one of the reasons we have shared culture because of the forced americanization on our ancestors

absolutely

but it would be silly for me to walk around and later hosen or you know to put on an irish accent just because you know my great great granddag had one

instead

i understand that my people are part of my identity

and i

you know we understand one

so i mean i've i've been all over the country and there's lots and lots of white folks

um even if they're from different european nations originally

we've developed our own culture and i think that could be said for pretty much every ethnic group

in the you know imperial united states

so i understand when you say when you gave me the example of the steelworkers and so on and how you have similar values and similar sentiments

so on

probably even similar activities like outdoors type activity you know fishing and

likeike pickup trucks and stuff this is what i see in michigan

withdral people so i get that but

my only issue is that the

i don't see whiteness as the essence of this specificy

also i don't necessarily know if it can be a

are unique ethnos if it is

then it's based on the specific relationship

these people i mean you named it yourself steelworkers have had with the american state as an institution

for reasons i mentioned before the specific relation between the working class

and the state through unions and so on and so on that was arrived at after world war two right

and so here specifically the

you'll find among the same groups of people

non whites people not are they

minority of course there's always an exception or a minority but

they're still there it's possible for people who are not

of european descent

to be part of this right

now

not as a community right not as a majority

but

it's still possible to become

nativezed as

part of this specific cultural

cultural understanding right

who goes fishing and does all this kind of

kind of things

so

there is a reason specific reason why

their majority are white

bla and white people of european descent

and

like i said before that issue goes back to the aftermath of slavery

right

now in the case of a latinos

you're either going to have a case where there's actually a

actually deep similarity between

the latino working class that has been here for life

decades and decades and decades

and this the so called white one they're actually very similar right

but

other than that the issue is just immigration that they came here

sooner right so

that's really what's going to make them outside of this

then in the case of slavery you did you again had this this

inability for the state

to

cement the loyalty

of the black population through land now i'm not saying the black identity is only defined by this exclusion

so that should be

made very clear i don't mean to say that it's like

only a form of kind of

this is something a lot of wok people

right people say like it's all based only on oppression and

all of this spirituals and songs and culture and so on it's all just because of oppression

that's not true there is a specific tradition and specific heritage

there

but again

his separation

specifically

a i wouldn i would attribute to that fact

now were it not for that separation

we would probably see maybe a i mean this is a hypothetical alternative uniters

a completely different ethanos right it wouldn't just be that

black people would be just like white people there would probably be a completely new ethnogenesis as you put it

corresponding to the universal american identity

um

or maybe there would be a different outcome but for what we can say as far as the current situation is concerned

it's specifically for that reason

right specifically because of

this is whathy my materialist analysis

because of their relation to the

their economic relation to the state as an institution

whiy i' been

you know the thing is just as an example that

you know eskimos didn't know that they were eskimos as a separate identity

before you know a bunch of europeans paddled up right and said you know by the way you guys are this but

that doesn't mean that they did

have an identity it doesn't have to be and it shouldn't be defined

by other groups i mean

you know just talk to a european like know there's a time i was

hanging out in a in a pub with uh some some european comrades

and uh every time i talked h i would see the people across from me kind of

go like that a little bit

and i stopped i went like

it

am i loud like i apologize you know everyone was quiet around me

and i'm a pretty loud chatty guy in general

but they were like yes white americans you guys are you know and you european can tell even if you look german or look irish or stuff like that that

you are you know of a similar heritage but you're part of a separate identity

and

you know that the thing is that as a white person in the united states

that we shouldn't have to have a duty to convince any other group that our identity is valid

it's real to myself and members of my community

and you know in the american political system like you see zionists for instance saying

that while the palestinian identity isn't legitimate actually they're just arabs and here's all these reasons to justify

the apartheid state of an occupation

and in palestine

but you know

is zionist shouldn't have the right to invalidate a palestinian national identity just like any other community

shouldn't have the ability to invalidate

mile

community is identity

and it's not a sticking point of division it's simply part of who we are and now it's say where can we go from here to work together

for common goals where we can all be proud of

who we are and have a tie to our roots and our families and our heritage

um so i mean that's

the sort of thing that you know it's great to have these discussions and i really enjoy them

but it's not anyone outside of the community you know

they they're theyre place to define what is a valid identity and what isn't

cause like it would be you know and even the idea that like whiteness is synonymous with hunting and pickup trucks and uh bad country music

i don't think that that's accurate

but you go into rural areas and

you know you have a culture

but you can see whether it's you know what used to be in south boston before it was gentrified

that was a unique identity that was in a purely urban context i don't think whiteness

is just the country perspective

it goes beyond that i mean you know like we were talking about

when i lived in pittsburgh uh that's an urban environment and i didn't stick out as you know some sort of hillbilly from the stick

i was just

heart of the community

and

that's who we are and then we can work from that

to

work to achieve political goals

so the reason for that just that that last thing is after modernity

the dynamic between rule and urban

urban was no longer defined

in the traditional sense between agrarian

and i

you know what

cities right

there was a kind of

suburban is a sories

how should i put it

a

yeah i guess suburbanization within the urban context that created a new urality

right so the working class within cities

who work in factories and so on they themselves beak even if they're living in rurle sorry in pittsburgh they would be considered

rule

and the american cultural war

imagination right

but

regardless of

the threshold of the urban rule distinction is something historical

changes over time

but my issue is that when we try to have a scientific analysis of the ethnogenesis

in any country moral rights

we see that the relationship to the state as an institution

is is definitive

it's a defining part of how

an ethnose comes to be because an ethnose is a

is a way of a collective being it's a form of collective being

and this state is the universal institution that interprelates an individual as more than just

themselves but it doesn't only do this in some abstract or ideological sense

it does it in a material sense in the form

of the way the state relates to individuals economic

right

the state reproduces its material existence

through the people

through the people that serve as its

popular foundation

right

i

and that is specifically in terms of

lah

or abstract economic spaces

some kind right

so we can see in the united states that

the the white identity that you're talking about

why is it that if it is something separate from america

or at least not reducible to to

the ethnos of american state

why is its whole history and whole identity and so on why can this all not

why is it that we can trace this to

the specific relationship between the individual and the american state in general

just individual taken as like a

the ideal citizen of the american state

like we can trace for example how this

ethanols came to be

and it was through the american state

that it is precisely the reason why irish and

italians and polish and all these kinds of people became whites

it wasn't because

they eventually came to an understanding with the wasps

it was because of the specific

new relationship between

the universal american state and the individual that happened after f d r and world war two right

so this is the question we have to answer what how is it that

the category of white

can

expand well the way i see it

i don't see another alternative explanation is precisely because of this material analysis of the american state and this' finally why the

you say that people who are outside of the community cannot like say does it exist or does it not exist but within that specific community of people you're talking about

i could be wrong but

the majority of them

while acknowledging that they're white in the sense that yes we're white were not black whatever

when they define themselves positively and affirmatively

they really just

and with america

some may tack on the you know the irish or the polish

heritage or the italian one but at the end of the day it is the american identity that they are the most

loyalty

and my experience i mean

i don't see a

i don't see the majority of white people in this country

viewing

the white identity as a political signal a political identity or an f even an ethnological identity around which to

identify or rally themselves it's just they just say i'm an american i'm proud to be an american

and that's what i am right and they even go so far as to say when they express their

rejection of

you know black lives matter or whatever they'll say why are they dividing us by race we're all americans right so this

this is something that has to be kept in mind it's the american identity that

the community you're talking about like itself

the way i can see i could be wrong

chooses

as it's the banner under which to define itself not whiteness

well i mean the thing is i mean first of all states

don't define ethnicity

i

don't think that's ever been

case

human beings are fundamentally tribal that's part of the human experience i mean that's why

even when they do studies on young children of all backgrounds for instance

they can be triggered with a bigger response when a hand is put you know on a in front of them

and it's pricked with a pin the closer looks to them

that's not a white person thing that's a natural thing that through evolution

human beings became

tribal creatures so

that can either be used to be a negative

promote chauvinism or hatred or stuff like that

or we can just simply accept that that is a scientific reality of the human experience

and work with it i mean ethnicities have existed long before

the modern concept of states right or even the the modern concept of nations

tribalism has always been part of the evolutionarly experience of every single person on

planet

and you know if the state the american state specifically

causes ethnicity of this american identity

then why hasn't it managed to fuse together black folks white folks indigenous folks

into one people when i've had centuries to do so

so

i mean i would say the main relationship between

peop

in the united states

uh whether they're white folks black folks indigenous folks whatever

h it's based upon our

the

exploitation

essentially it's not about creating

an affirmative identity i mean

america was founded by a bunch of capitalists that

created these colonies

and they took the the

poor and impoverished of europe

brought them over here and they referred to them in some of the documents amongst the virginia company

referred to working class people as fertilizer

that we were to be brought here to work and to die

and then make profits for people many of whom never even came

call

s

and i would argue that the american revolution from the beginning

wasn't based on any liberating principle

and you know you can see that just by looking at the whiskey rebell

you know which was led

by continental war veterans

that said hey this whole thing was about

no representation

you know and we're not going to be be taxed uh if we don't have a voice

so what does george washington do

uh he marches thirteen thousand troops and

to western pennsylvania

to murder farmers many of whom are continental war veterans

who were simply saying hey these are the supposed principles of our new

public

and i think

going forward over the past two hundred plus years

that's been the main relationship between

every single group of people especially you know including white folks

that the state hasn't existed to create an identity it simply existed

to bully us into being

exploited

and

it's capitalism in a turbo charged fashion

because at the very least in european countries

these national identities had time to develop

from tribal identities into feudal thiefdoms

into the modern concept of a nation state and so on

but the united states it was founded to make money by rich people to use and abuse us

and in that context

blackness developed

in that context whiteness developed separate from the state

and i think you would find the people that are most tied to their ethnic identities

are those who are the most exploited and they're the ones who have found

a sense of

immunity and identity

amongst people like themselves

well i don't mean to say that the state creates ethnicities in a voluntary sense like we just want to be a universal state

but because it's a dialectic the issue is what does the state working with to begin with

it's already it's working with already made ethnos it had no

say in determining whator

for me

so i agree the state doesn't create ethnos but the state is a

fundamental part of the dialectos

dialectic of ethnogenesis

i

for example

if there's such a thing as the french ethnicity

this is only an ethnicity that was united by the common

reality of all who would then become part of the category of

french people

unified by the french revolution and it was specifically based on their loyalty to the french republic

republic right

um

this is the making of france as a modern universal nation state

before then you did have an identifiable ambiguous kind of

french people but

um

it was far more localized and far more ambiguous in an ethnological sense

well i mean

what what

what i would just say to that is

the french identity existed before

creation of

public

i mean if you just look at germans as an example

if you were particularly long lived

and alive today in twenty and twenty one

you could have been born

and a monarch

and been a monarchist and then he could have been a social democrat

and then a national socialist and then either a capitalist you know if you're in west germany

or a marxist leninist if you're in east germany

and now you might be like

a green party member and we've seen the changing of states

you know in just one lifetime

with five radically different conceptions of the state and political ideologies associated with it

but

no one would really question that they're still germans

it's right i mean even the german communist party

and um you know there they're famous him you know

i

a red wedding

they say germany for the german

and o yo thank

and that

it betrays the idea that

the german identity

is not just built upon what state you're living in or what ideology is then being brought

and

in many cases forced on the people

it's an organic part of the human experience so here in the united states i mean

you could have lived as a colonist being ruled in a company town and then you're part of the republic and then you're

once again living in a company town right and then we've got

the issues of segregation stuff like that in america was defined by a majority

ethnic identity until the nine hundred sixty five

ration act

and now america is as an identity is like whatever you want it to be our diversity is our identity

which is the absence of an identity is the new american identity

so i mean i i i would just disagree that the american experience our relationship as

americans

really had anything to do with the state you know

places like appalachians as we've talked about before

we're so rural in some places like you've got the blue people of kentucky

where they had a

genetic quirk where uh they're they're skinned because there was a small amount of folks in the hills

they a

had actual blueeskin which is a fascinating thing ifanyonet's to look at that

people of kentucky

but they weren't getting their sense of self

from washington d c or new york or

you know

philadelphia

it was from their local community and they

collectively identified as white

yeah i mean yes the french people in the german people preceded the nation state

corresponding to those

but

before the french

republic

before the french republic

a

this specific universal ethnos that cuts across all religious differences and all local differences

did not exist right

so the french people as a nation

i'm not saying they were created voluntarily by the state

but it is the state

that epitomized

their

genesis as a nation

right

that makes sense because it's a dialectic point

that it's a very subtle dialectic point that has to be understood

the raw material that creates the broader unity

is not created by the form of that unity i agree

but

it's still inexorably a part of it

so i'm not saying germany was only the german state or germany as a political entity

right

statehood is an inexorable part of ethnogenesis and specifically religion is also an exorab part

of ethnogenesis historically right

it's just that these things operate under a time span

that's much much longer like centuries and centuries

then can be accounted for

by individual

ideologies and individual practices right it's just something that takes much much longer

so

when i and specifically the reason for that is the

again

in the american context

ah

the only thing that's

integrated poles

italians

what else irish and so on and so on

as part of this white

as being white in the first place

i mean do you do you think that there was something else besides the

change in the nature of the american state in its relationship to the people i mean

s like forget about the the cause right because

that's also a dialectic relationship it's like you can't just say the state caused it because the reasons for the state

changing in the way it did also was because of

the nature of the people

but

so it's a dialectic relationship but

how can you really understand how that happened outside of that

that process

no

because it's lives

i mean the thing is is my identity

comes from

my pappa

it comes from you know the ties where i can visit

where my ancestors have been buried for hundreds of years

when i can go to north carolina

and see the battlefields that my ancestors fought on and some of them gave life

work

you know it's not just an abstraction

my identity

is a real thing that real people have lived struggled and died

work

and you know we we talk about the irish i'm half irish you know on on on me mother's side it's it's pure irish catholic

uh until you go back to the old country and then it stays pure irish catholic you know like

identity is a real live

thing

that all human beings are grounded

and

you know the thing is that

every identity we can work to try and pick apart

right so

and i

one don't think that's helped

i don't think it's accurate but i respect the positions you're bringing forward

but

for me

you know accepting who i am and what i'm rooted

is you know part of then my struggle for socialism

for my family you know i'm a father

i've got two young boys and i care about their future

and their heritage is part of it but also the fact we're living

in a society where the capitalist state

wants to exploit them and use them

cannon fodder and imperialist wars and things like that

you know what's been told to me by large elements of the american left

is my white affirming identity is not allowed in the conversation of socialism

so i mean

yh

i'm coming forward to simply say i am white there's plenty of white folks who identify as white plenty of people that maybe don't have a strong

ethnic consciousness

and that's their own choice but

you know the real question is are those of us who have an affirmative white identity just like you know the panthers back in the day had an affirmative black identity

can we be part of the conversation about developing socialism forever

because

you know

the synthetic lefh says no

and this is a clear point that they've made and also if you disagree on any of their

multitude of social issues

i'm not saying that's your position but i mean

would you would you agree

that

you know having an affirmative white identity and we can do we can discuss whiteness and the history of the eno genesis for a long time

but

to say here in twenty and twenty one

that h i'm

i'm a white person i'm raising my kids to be to be white and to have that heritage and identity

can we be part of the conversation of socialism

well look obviously white people can i mean

it's a no brainer whye people are the majority of

america so any american socialism of course white people wi be a part of it

but my gripe

with this issue of white identity and white people as an ethno specifically

isn't so much because i think it's i want to have a sober materialist view of this i'm not speaking from an emotional

or even so much ideological perspective

i'm just skeptical at the idea that this is actually objectively a real ethnos

that could succeed in unifying

unifying the majority of

even those who would consider who would be considered white

this country like i don't think

i don't see a context for

the white identity beyond

expressing some kind of grievance against non white people

like

are there manifestations of

a affirmative white be identity beyond for example like we want to be separate from all these other kinds of people we're sick of all these other kinds of people

and so on and so on

so to me it's like uh

like again it goes back to the question of course we all have a sense of identity and heritage it goes back to our father and our grandfather

but

were it not for the change

for example

the fundamental change

in the in

american state that happened the causes of which we could talk about

irish people and polish people would not be considered

white in his country

mean they would have been continued to be excluded in the same way they were before

and wasps would be considered white american

these immigrants who came from ellis island

having no way to become economically naturalized through the integration of

the government corporates and unions and so on and so on

they would have been excluded from this kind of american project and would have been

ah

confined to some kind of subaltern

existence

so

we just have to evaluate objectively how the people you're describing came to be and if we do that

i don't see how a white identity is what's essential to me what's essential is a specific relationship

to the state

now does that mean a state cause

this in the first place no

it' just me and that's something that has to be investigated more broadly

but we do have to accept

that

these are people

by a and large

who themselves choose to identify as americans first and foremost

before any

right

they are americans

now

it's only a small minority of white people who will then

get into the kind of white pride stuff like it's one thing to say i'm proud to be inan america

and there may even be an implicit understanding among some of these people that this is referring to people who are like me

in other words

white people

but

right

white pride is not something you find that's that commonplace among

the same white people you're talking

i mean i would

politely disagree you know in terms of

having an affirmative identity it's increasing

amongst the white work

class this is part of our normal lived experience

and you know i mean that one of the things and i i really appreciate

i

you know the the hypotheticals and the historical discussion and i'll jump back to that in a second but

i mean what i want to know fundamentally coming forward is saying like hi i'm a socialist

but i also have an affirmative whighte identity

and

that is a

or part

who i am are people who have an affirmative white identity

allowed to be part

the socialist movement or are only deracinated

white folks that don't have an ethnic identity

a part of it can you have

an affirmative white identity

and

participate in the socialist

it's i mean that's a that's a yes or no sort

answer in my

well i don't know what what an affirmativell there's two things right

su

there's to me there's no clear socialist movement that even exists in the united states right that the one that

i don't know if you're referring to like a twitter discourse or

or something like that

i don't consider that a socialist movement so i don't think if you're referring to a potential one

i have to under i have to ask what the practical implications are what does the meat and potatoes of that mean because

for example

if there's no objective reality to a white ethnos right and not obviously white people exist they're very clearly

separate

the identify

identifiable from other people but

if is white an essential ethnols like a specific

substantive positive ethnic identity or is it just

an identity based on negation

pure negation

well i mean if is if i has

if it's not

then the p someone who says hi i'm

someone who identifies as white in the positive sense andm i welcome

i mean to me that would be no different than someone who says hi i'm a furry i identify as a

my spirit animal is you know

a wolf or something like

what would be the practical implications of that right at

the level of a socialist movement

so we have to get to first and foremost

because we of course a scientific

i'm a marxist leninist right so whatever country i live in i'm going to try and arrive at a scientific

view of the national question within the country it's not based on individual preferences or individual identities

it's based on understanding because as stalin pointed out nations are a material thing

they may not be as discreet

as we'd like them to be for purposes of simplification but there's a material reality to nations

there's a also written serial reality to ethanos as

even soviet and chinese ethnographers would point out right

and

rek knowing what kind of ethnos predominates in united states is a very important question and what kind of nations exist within the united states

or even what nationhood is in the american context

is a very important question for communist

but i'm just not convinced for practical purposes right

not purposes of

excluding or including arbitrary personal identities but for practical purposes of working in this country

i'm not convinced there is a white

ethnos or a white nation

well i mean

deferees have to scientifically prove that their identities don't exist in opposition to non furs i mean

honestly you're far more likely to find a place in the communist party usa or the especially the d sa

um if you're a a furry rather than a white person

that has tied to your history

but i i mean the thing with this going back to the nineteen sixties and i i really do believe

that the rainbow coalition was the strongest example

of what can be achieved through solidarity

and

you know if you look at the propaganda of the young patriots along with the panther

irst

they

didn't have a question about whiteness the young patriots were white

they wore confederate battle flags

as there are some

uh there was no question that that whiteness existed i mean even mao in the re little red book

h he specifically talks about how you know white people the ones that did oppression

were the plantation owners and the you know the capitalist class

and judgment should not be levied against the white proletariat instead we should

for solidarity

so even

mao understood that white people exist as their own separate group and we have to divide the proletariat

from

a capitalist class

the black panthers as an example of a truly revolutionary socialist and internationalist movement

understood that white people existed

and they were willing to actively ally with people that

you know during the one nine hundred sixty s hav a confederate battle flag is a battle over so you know desegregation stuff was happening

that's sort of controversial

but they were able to say look

this is a part of your heritage and your sense of self as white folks

and we're going to work together and have ourson

so

i mean i would just say looking from a marxist leninist perspective

when do we see the example of even arguing due

does whiteness exist

until we get to this modern like you know post

twenty sixteen sort of context or

dudes that read settlers

historically if mao thinks white people exist if the panthers think white people exist

and white people think white people exist

as a separate unique identity

then i feel like that

pretty much settles the issue and even if you don't accept that

as legitimate identity i don't have to persuade

to say that that's a part of who i am in my community

and if we spend all of our time debating over whether whiteness is a valid ethnography

i i really think that gets in the way just like debating over culture war issues

of the issues of socialism that are facing us you know we

and i think this has been a great conversation i really appreciate how thoughtul

bad

um and i've appreciated you let me respond but

the thing is we haven't talked about the means of production to the working class and it's been an hour because

we're questioning whether my ethnic identity is legitimate

and i think that there's bigger fish to fry

you know because not everyone has to agree

that everyone's identity is

a ok we can we can find common ground then to work

well i don't deny white people exist they obviously do exist

and

obviously communists are not

in the united states are not going to be against people for being white

in white people are the majority of this country so it's not a strategy that would work

even from a cynical perspective

but

my only point is is it an identity around is it in our deentity around which

a reflexive

right identity can be formed

what are the political and so on and so on implications

i

i don't

personal this i'm speaking in terms of my personal whatever previence

i really personally don't care if an individual

i you know

identifies as white and views there to be a specific white history and

i mean i don't care that's just an individual but

for an organization what does that mean

for a party what does that specifically mean does it mean

for example

like why i brought up the case of furries

is

not because i think that like

is precisely because in the case of furries what are the proximal implications you can't prove furs

like are an ethnos or a nation specifically right

so what what does that become beyond some kind of personal idiosyncrasy

and

so that's that's basically my question like how can this be something beyond a personal idiosyncrasy i doubt

that

the majority of whites people

would

decide to identify as white in a political or or cultural or even

national or ethnographic sense rather than calling themselves american

americans to the core right red blooded americans

i mean this is what they have chosen to identify themselves as

now

i think the american project

ah

is a project of civilization building so to me

i wanted to be more inclusive of other

people's specifically

indians or indigenous people

but

correct term

he

lasino people and so on and so on

but

as it stands this is what

as ident this is what has

as far as i can see

made white people white not a reflexive white identity but something more fundamental

well i mean

what i would say the idea that whiteness only exists in opposition to others i mean places like appalachia

they are i mean

you've got entire counties in

parts of

region

that

have always been

one hundred percent white i mean since you know the regions were settled by

looks like us

but they have affirmative regional identities cultural identities and racial identities i mean the pearl clutching

that's happened since the two thusand and sixteen election about specifically these regions

places

the so called rust beelt

that h it shocked everyone that

the idea of you know racial appeals and stuff like that spoke

to people that for generations had been you know

blue dog democrats and part of the solid blue wall

but they had an ethnic identity and

that exists outside of

yeow

the other because in a lot of these places there is no other

it just is

these communities have developed everything from

appalachian granny magic which essentially is a folk medicine

to music i mean one of my good buddies in the traitionals worker party

he makes a

you know musical instruments

right there that the way his daddy did his granddaddy did and so on

and the music they play is part of that culture

even things that might seem a little strange you know go into appalachian and

sometimes folks handle snakes at a baptist church you know or a pentecostal church

it you know it's unique elements of culture that developed

locally that isn't in opposition to the other

but i mean the thing is

at the end of the day what this means is we reject the critical race theory that's being put forward by the modern left

that fundamentally argues that white people are somehow a illegitimate

be guilty of the sins of capitalism that's been transplanted onto the white working class

and fundamentally bad

and you know the thing is in this conversation

talking about socialism going forward i'm not asking for whites to have a special role

i'm actually asking for the opposite of that

to be able to stand as equal

with other ethnic communities that already have their own affirmative identities

i don't want

more or less legitimate i just want everyone to be have

the ability to have an affirmative legitimate identity

we can respect one

um i'm going to let has respond to that and then we're going to get into the q and a um

yeh well to be clear i don't i don't think white people

are devoid of culture

i just don't think in this is my view that whiteness is the essence of those specific locals

cultures because they differ

regionally and they differ based on the people a appalachians are not the same

as a

catch cadgeants right

terms of those traditions in terms of that specific culture

and finally as to the final point i think it should simplify it i guess

i don't think it does a communist movement good

do have

white people feeling guilty all the time because communists are supposed to be warriors are supposed to be fighters

and they're supposed to be winners and we were going up against the class enemy we're going up against

enemies

so to have a bunch of people who are weak

and apologetic all the time

i don't think that helps anyone

just speaking personally

m

i think it's much more productive if people from white backgrounds

ah

you know

we all maintain a position of mutual respect

not overstepping our bounds as it regards

interference

into other people and other people's business not being disrespectful

but just maintaining you know

a sense of dignity and a sense of uh

you know

i definitely agree that there's there's something really fake if this is what you're referring to i guess

about the way in which white liberals and white leftists are always you know acting like they're so apologetic and so repent and it's kind of a feature of

it's a religious leftover and feature

but at the same time

i don't really i think that

ah like a kind of white pride or white nationalism is just

the opposite

side of the coin of that very same pathology which is fundamentally unable to just

get over

white

i think

like whiteness is just something that

as an identity

like the

shouldn't really

be on i don't i don't see it as something that has to be on the back of people's minds all the time

i you know the way i see it is that the most prominent communist fighters in the history of the united states

who are white

they were focusing on on bigger things they were focusing on america and the american people

i mean maybe if they came from irish backgrounds or polish but they were focusing on that specific community

but

i mean

ir their minds were not on that

right

and to me that i think it's an attempt

do kind of just be the opposite of what

the white leftists and the white liberals are which is this kind of self hating and permanently guilty

kind of posturing

but

i think it's just the other side of the same coin that might actually very well lead to the same

same outcome right

we should focus first and foremost

on

first of all the struggle of the american working class

america and then we should also be attentive to the national questions

that need to be addressed right

lenin was a russian

right

there was a russian civilization

but he was also attentive to the national question in the russian empire concerning the other

the national minorities and that whole thing right

so i think we have to have something similar here in america we

we have americans most americans are white not all of them most

people who identify primarily as americans above all

are whites again not

but

we can have that

american

a civilization

or that american identity

but weh need to be attentive to the

other pressing national question in this country as well

so that's my position on that

overall

sure i will just respond real quick i know we need to get

questions

i mean the thing is i can walk and chew gum at the same time so i can be white and have that as part of my identity

and build socialism simultaneously

and you know the idea of national liberation struggles has been

common

um especially amongst oppressed groups

in the united states and you know just to the point

that you know

the idea of whiteness wasn't kind of a foundation of identity and some of the regions we've been discussing

there's a reason the bosses brought in workers of color

into areas like appalachia or henry ford

brought black workers that were dispossessed and pushed out due to the boll we havel epidemic

and

you know

the great depression

in two

places like detroit

right because

at the end of the day he knew that ethnic strife and differences and stuff like that

would make organizing harder of the work

class now i don't think

these lines should be the

you know able to stop us from working together

you know as but the idea you know fred hampton specifically said

that he believed in black power he believed in white power he believed in yellow power he believed in red power

all power to the people

and that's part of this concept of building socialism building solidarity building internationalism

and building a better future for all of us here in what's known as the united states

with identity at the bedrock of that

so that's merely my position and if

race didn't play into an element of identity in

region

discussing

the bosses wouldn't have used

forc diversity

i

to try and stop

usation they would have just thought oh these are just

this isn't going to be a big deal but

that's a reason why here in twentan twenty one amazon specifically targets

to

you

curtail their workforce

to be as diverse as possible it's not because they love diversity

but because they've done studies and shows that

uh ethnic tensions and things like that

reduce unionization efforts so you know the thing they were doing one hundred years ago

in mango

and in welsh west virginia

jeff bazos is doing today

and that's why accepting

identity is a

it's affirmative

and to pretend it just doesn't exist like

only white americans are being asked for this erasre that we' got to put all of our identity to the side

and we got to just build socialism for everyone no other ethnic group has asked for that

and i don't think we should ask them for that instead

we should all have an affirmative identity and build socialism together

but anyway that was my final thought

alright so i'm going to start bading um some of the questions and super chats

um

all right so from chris thank you for the super chat he said matthew your concept of white is determined

by the negation of what white liberals want you to be why are you falling into this trap

well i don't believe that my concept of self and my family's concept of self

is based on anything that white

one

we've existed as a people

for hundreds of years

and outside of any white liberals

promoting things like white gilts and you know the may a culpa may a culpa may a culpa

that they love to do for m s n b c and c n n and stuff like that

that has nothing to do with my lived experience and the experience of my children

and my extended family

so i don't believe

that my identity is based on the negation

of any other identity

or any other

and i don't believe it's being defined to me

because if i was going to go along with what white liberals wanted

then i would just go ahead and be a cartoon super

like i would embrace neo colonialism i would embrace white supremacy because

that's what white liberals fundamentally think

in a classist just

horrific way

towards the average white proletarian

and so i reject those things

i reject the framework they've established and instead support solidarity

but don't you kind of think that like

even the kind of terms you're using aren't those a little bit

similar to how white liberals speak like lived experience in my

isn't this kind of a feature of

the kind of new

kind of liberal individualism in our society or

no i mean i i don't think so because

again you know going back

hundreds of years it's how we identified i mean the first immigration law to the united states

limited immigration to white persons so even the argument that for instance like well the irish

why

polish weren't white or the italians weren't white

well even when the immigration laws of the united states limited immigration to white persons

they were allowed it

so obviously there has always been a white identity since literally

the very beginning of the american republic

now i'm opposed to white supremacy and colonialism

capitalism obviously

but

you know the idea that

this is a new fangled term that they just came up with

i don't believe is accurate so i know that the white categories always exist but it's like

the way that it's kind of seems you're interfacing with it is very similar

it's just very reminiscent of a kind of

liberal and or neo liberal individualism where it's like

what really is the point

beyond

having something with which to individually

you know the reason for this identity politics and individualism

is career climbing that's why it's so individualistic it's like well

this is my specific lived experience and it's used as a form of personal capital

so it's just kind of strange when when you see that

take that form of like he

it kind of seems like

and i don't i don't think you're doing this consciously but i think like the practical implication would be like

i want to use

the white identity as a form of personal capital right

but i think that

the paradigm of individual personal capitals we used to career climb

is fundamentally anti communist i mean even when we respect

example i do have respect for black

nationalism and so on

but that's not a matter of like a personal individualistic identity politics it's a collective project for a discreetly identifiable

people right

well i mean i promise there's no social capital and i take no no no i know i idy i you know it's seems like it seems like for example

you're coming out of perspective of wanting one right and that's the source of the unfairness you perceive

but i don't think it's unfair i think the social capital existing in the first place

is fundamentally individuali istic and neo liberal so

we i mean i would politely disagree because i would say it's fundamentally collective and communal

it's the white capitalists that have no sense of identity just like

any capitalist doesn't rt their identity is green

their idea identity is one another to exploit work

pkeop

so the idea of having an ethnic identity

is actually a communal

sort of perspective

and we we've seen this amongst

you know communist movements and socialist movements

throughout history

you know that the national question

of hochi men

or of even the soviet union

was never

question

so no i think it's a rejection of individualism

it's a rejection of

the liberal establishment

and instead is trying to bring our sense of

immunity back

but then we can organize class consciousness with it

mm okay

so

from blacklen and thank you for the super chat said question for matthew do you believe in the labor aristocracy what are your thoughts on it do you deny it i'm interested to hear your answer

well i mean if we're to talk about the managerial

class i

and stuff that exists i think at the end of the day the labor aristocracy really comes down

to there are capitalists and there are proletarian

s

and we've really muddied the water and especially the service economies of the west and things like that

to we're thinking that like

her supervisor because he might get higher wages or things like that

is uh somehow a boss uh totally misunderstands

white

socialism isn't what capitalism

it's like

if you're a temporaralily disadvantaged millionaire which unfortunately is the perspective

of a lot of america

right and there's a great book it didn't happen here

kind of discusses

why socialism

never was able

fully take

united states as it did in a lot of

p

asian countries

um i think that there's a misunderstanding of what

capitalist system in the capitalist economy is

and that's really been a point of division like

the enemy is not

your boss

on

like

at the local

mcdonald's or like the local

factory

it's a guy that owns the means of production

on

him

thank you and

from chris thank you for the super chat said matthew why do you sound like an intersectionality seminar with

different semantics

oh i don't know maybe it's

i spent too much time in grad school i guess no but um i mean the thing is is

working to explain these concepts that i think that there's a lot we see in modern academia in the modern media

that

the their their final analysis and their takes are wrong

but they bring up a lot of interesting points that we can apply and adapt i mean

socialism and marx sleninism

is a scientific process of understanding

around us and

where we're developing and going

so so

you know you take what you can from all sides

in a scientific and thought

way

and then apply that to your

and circumstances

um and now from

hatty bandll thank you for the stupid chat

hey matt do you know how patty t is doing is i'm guessing this is the troll question ha

no no no no no h paty tls and he n know he was speaking white culture

um he was a uh a folk musician um that turned out uh sort of amazing albums

from from

cials worker party

and um you know he was grounded as a folk musician in that um sphere when this family going back hundreds of years

and adapting a lot of old tunes and stuff like that to a modern plit

context

uh i don't actually know how he's doing haven't spoken to him in several years

but i do think his work was an example of

kind of a a unique take on

a cultural expression

i'm from gualmero escialano

for the supercha said explain why jews aren't white americans even though they were white under the naturalization act of

seventeen ninety

well i mean that's easy they

alerg you

which most jews are

that

most jews are

rooted in their own

religious and

ethnic heritage

concepts that regardless if you're a polish jew

or german jew or something like that

and even if you don't practice your religion

that

you know you see amongst these communities you can be as secular as the day is long

but you're still then rooted in your eth no religious identity

so

just because and that's important to understand

whiteness is not about melon

whiteness is about

a shared

cultural history and identity

and you know if you were you know well maybe a german

he we might into some controversial topics but let's say in french

like if you're french

and

you could be a french jew and you've got a tie to your own

youyah

jewishness and identity

that is separate from the standard

french identity

and i

you come to the united states youre

you're still jewish just like

somebody who comes here and you know is algerian he's a

might have an american passport but he's still going to be in algeria

he has a tie to his

y

and and so do jews even if they're sick

but but besides the i mean

besides the religious background and

you know being secular and jewish doesn't erase that religious background

for example

there's a lot of secular muslims but they're still fundamentally different than

christians right

but i don't see

like if you ask black people if you ak latinos if you ask non whites people

in america jews are fundamentally white

i mean i don't see how you can't

i mean they're just as white as italians or poles or or anyone else they would that's how they're considered

no i mean i

right and this is important but it's not how they consider themselves and we can see that

well for instancere the creation of the zionist occupation

palestine

even if they are

white and you know some of the conceptions of

american history

they themselves do not identify with that unique ethnic identity

and

cultural and often religious trappings that come with that

they identify as jews and that's why you know american jews overwhelmingly support

the zionist occupation and israeli apartheid

and theyre they're tied to their roots so you know it's not just about skin color

it's about no i know i know

but but culturally speaking and i don't really know if they don't consider themselves white just because israel exists

but regardless culturally speaking

there

they are considered

not because of how they look but because of

the similar culture they're considered white

by black people and by latinos and by other non white people they're not seen as like somehow

non white or outside of

white

i mean i would disage it in the same way that italians are right

well no i mean even look back to to malcolm x for instance i mean malcom

ya i ya he he he

what right right but

even even in that context when he was singling them out

it's because

he thought he viewed them as a type of white people

and actually the nate the

at the time

and even to this

day like

many black nationals who are referred to as anti semitic

if you hear what they say they di that's actually what they think they believe that american jews are a type of white people

there they are white right

now

there might be anti semitism where they're being singled out in some cases but

not in so far as they are seen as non white

i just

yeah again they may they may distinguish them but they're still considered a type of white people

maybe a unique type of white people

but they're still considered white

i actually actually um

actually

that's very same kind of anti semitism that's coming from the black national some not all black nationalist writings

is precisely because

ah

american jews are i'd like

identified as white

like that's actually the reason why it's like it's part of the broader

i know

mythos

for example that like

white people were created from the mad sciences

uh yacub and so on and like this this whole thing right

and

the anti smitism is just that they include jewish people within that

right but

black folks you know here in the united states

and somalians themselves would reject that identity

well actually it

it's interesting i don't mean to cut you off but

there is a whole new movement

and there is a degree of

reality to it of

american descendants of slaves who consider themselves totally separate from all african

not totally separate but consider themselves

like it's you can't just say we are all black like there's clearly a difference between

black americans and other

african peoples in general not just somalis right

so absolute

yeah but

i guess my broader point would and that that wouldn't that's not the nation of islam and so on people but

guess my broader point would be

with that

is that the

that calls into question

the american whether thean american notions of race in the first place

have any credibility or objectivity whether white black and so on and so on

right and it's like well actually

i'm nigeria

and i have my affirmative n nigerian identity and all this story history or i'm ethiopian or stuff like that

it's not

my place as a white person

to say oh no no you're

right

no

uh just like it's not the place of if someone is from you know south africa

and they say um oh well black this isn't real you should be igbo

or you shaild you know you are zu

like well no it's not their place to determine the identity either

it's an internal intergroup inter

immunity

perspective on on self so

just because if some groups were to say

ah well jews are white becuse the other they're white skin

i

i don't think that speaks too

jewish belief

on themselves as a tie to an as an ethno religious community

and i don't think it really matters one way or the other what people outside of the community

say the community is because it's a self identification

based on shared concepts and history

well i mean to be fair i don't want to dwell too much on this but

you know people who are in italian families or polish families they're rarely going to like

go out of their way to identify themselves as white but when push comes to shove

right

um especially when they're put in specific context with non white people they're going to be like yeah we're white

you know so

very i very

they're very few americans

in general are just going to like

primarily identify themselves as white

think

like

they're going to only consider themselves white

given the right context but otherwise they're either americans

or their appalachians or their coujons

or their polls or their

irish and so on and so on

i mean i i disagree i was dating a uh greek gal in college

and uh her daddy eventually decided like uh

uh you know you're uh

you are not part of our ethnic community y you might uther anymore right ic

yeah so but in another contexts free but but in another context

they may identify or see themselves as white

i mean i'm

but i really don't think that when you look at their religious expressions their cultural expressions

that is an acc

and i mean i would encourage you maybe be a fun wy i think it's i think it's f only inaccurate in so far as they're different from the majority of white people in the united states

bve

that doesn't necessarily mean that they don't share in quality the

quality of whiteness right so was a question of what the essence

of these different peoples are and i think that's where our main dispute is but we can actually

wee i know it kind of

um yeah and so

gouli arm i don't even know how to say that he said i think i it super chat he said why do jews identify is white on the census

that

custody

to what the lived experiences of working families is

and how those communities determine

who they are and who their children are

and then um nathaniel th the stupid chatty said why is there something

just

kind of like a little bit of a trouble question i'm not sure

really ask it was it addressed to someone or

now

it was just kind of a thank you but s

and we have quite a few so wait ultana says

rebel

and

fall out

vermd

i'll let you take that one to start yeah i think jason unfortunately i tried to be cordial to him i tried to be polite to him and respectful

he is going down a downward spiral and completely making a fool of himself

across the board

all i could say is you know i genuinely hope peace

puts an end to what he's doing and seek some help

because it's quite embarrassing at this point

i am

i don't follow a whole lot of internet fuds so i have no

particular comment on that but to jump back to the previous super chat that i do have an opinion on

i

arabs identify as white on the sunth

so i i think the american census system is just fundamentally broken because obviously there's a

a distinct history that that arab folks have and often

religious differences and things like that

and it's a

you know a policy of erasire that the american empire does

to real ethnic and cultural

religious identities

no opinion on the feuds though all right

on ones that i can pull up ah thank you for this stupid chat from jan

says doesn't white socialism obfuscate

class consciousness

in general in america

do you want to start with that or do you want me to take a

first

i mean i guess the

i asked the question is for you because i'm not

i'm not pro white socialism ight so fair

well i mean the thing is is i don't view it as white socialism specifically i view it as socialism that

involves white

um just like

i don't think having airm

black identity or latino identity or arab identity

or indigenous identity

gets in the way of class consciousness because obviously in the capitalist system

the proletariat we do have the

class similarities we have a sa shared class struggle

and i don't think affirmative identity gets in the way of that i actually think it tries to empower us because

the capitalist system wants to break down

all of our identity

and i'm very critical of chomsky so don't take this as i'm endorsing that

johmsky

but you know he had a very valid point when he argued that capitalism

begins as racist as that's a way to exploit people's labor

resources

but it fundamentally becomes anti racist in so far as it's anti human

because human

differences cultural differences religious differences

get in the way of

capitalism

like

the capitalists want to be able to sell beer in saudi arabia and pulled pork sandwiches to make some profit

um they want to be able to uh you know open up liquor stores

and uh dry counties in tennessee

because that gets in the way of capital and make

trust

so

you know for

for me i don't think white socialism

um is anything other than white people

participate in the socialis

m from chris morelock think you of the stupid chat he said

no one cares about white identity outside of people who

hate white liberals

telling them that they can't

have this identity

i'm not sure if it was a question but

am thank you

um and then another one from chris morlock think you the stupid johnty sai

matthew you seem to be larping as a marxist leninist

and trying to subplate

a aur clout

but we specifically reject nations especially nation states

being solely based on race or tribe

jeanes are fake

i

well if we get into the argument that genes and science are fake

i

to talk about

but you know when james connelly as a marxist and as we

founders of the international

of the world

when he

you

helped write and signed the irish declaration of the irish republic in one nine hundred sixteen

he specifically talked about the irish nation having liberation

you know if you look at the writings of hoche men that said that patriotism motivated him initially

not socialism or communism

it speaks to the national character that has always exist in marxist ldinism

has held up

principles of

nation i mean during world war two

during the great patriotic war

the soviet union of course they were fighting for socialism against the fascist invasion

but they were also fighting for the rodina

fighting for the motherland

and on your pass cards in the soviet union

your ethnic identity

was put on that and celebrations were held

in the soviet union and in modern china and things like that

to celebrate all the

that existed in a union of fraternal people

's

that it didn't say just a union of workers who happened to exist in these

various fleush suits and different

you know tones andh colors

no it's a union of fraternal people

that come together

principles of socialism and solidarity

and that's what international proletarian patriotism is

so i would say there is nothing new or unique of what i'm saying

i'm following in the examples of

stalin

mal lennon and connelly

and i

yeah that's good enough for me

to be clear though we are marxist leninist in the stalin stalinist sense so

we do we are lysenchoous we do reject genes

and so called the bourgeois science

i mean the so the soviet union did have a department of eugenics prior to the beginning of the great patriotic war

so

that's neither here nor there

but this was this was rejected by licincle and a stalinist faction

ya

thank you for the super chat julie or something he says um

as american families increasingly become racially mix what does organizing as primarily your anglo find racial category do besides

create more tension among workers

oh well i mean that's easy if people want to be part of mixed families that's fine

um you know it's again identity

and community comes down to self determination

on an individual level in a

immunity

so

i don't think it gets in the way that if someone identifies as part of a blunt

unity or if they themselves are of mixed heritage and race

that's great that's good for you let's work for socialism

that doesn't mean that i have to give up my identity

and i don't think it causes tension so long as we understand this concept of a union

of fraternal people

that

if we're all in this together for the sake of you know fighting against the capitalist class

our different identity shouldn't be a point of

week

yes

it should actually be a point of strength to say that we the united working class of the world

are coming together is who we are in solidarity with one another

on class lines

to achieve common goals

okay

and

uh from jan they give you the superchat

doesn't white socialism wait did i do this one

oh

yeah ok i did this one

a all right so let me go to the other ones that i have the little bit

step but ok so

from

ah

yeah so from julie i don't really know what the name says butinkjt he says um

eleven times were considered white by scotus in one nine hundred fifteen

as tim

i'me back

if

uh lebantine americans

are white or not

well it comes down to again how they personally identify

mean have they been here for an extended period and they feel like they've

grafted into the same shared ethnic

imunity

i

then oka it comes down to

you know again self determination not just existing

in the idea of political

decisions or things like that

but how communities you know identify

and

if they identify with their levantine

it's well that's great

if they identify as part of the white community

i'm not here as the commissar of whiteness

to determine who is or isn't in

my shared

immunity

i know what i'm a part of as part of an extended family

and if they identify well that's great

um also from julie yarmo some think for the super chat he says ask ibut to a

explain why a slavic american orthodox christian is the same ethnicity as a

protestant baptists

who has been here since the sixteen hundred

well i specifically said speaking of orthodoxic the opposite of that earlier you know specifically in orthodox communities there's usually a tie usually liturgy is done

in the language of the home country

so you go to a serb church or a bulgarian church

it's going to be inserber bulgaria you go to a russian church it's going to be an old church slavanic

which is a

old school russian

the truest sense

and in many cases these folks have maintained their ethnic identities

from their homewand

so i wouldn't want to

lump them in

if they still identify with being serve

i they still identify

three

then

that's a fine national identity for them to hold onto and that doesn't get in the way of solidarity

because i don't think it should be limited based on ethnic identity

who's working for socialism

but if they identify as being part of

white

unity

and things like that well

that's great too it's really down to personal identification and choice

not a point of contention of you can't join my

you know my my socialist party or you can't work with me

it's

part of embracing the human experience of

the idea of the tribe

and then amplifying that through solidarity with other

um and from history talked and you gt a stupid chat says

why define people from

the far south of europe the sicilians maltese etc as white

when they have a light brown skin if it's because they're caucasian then pakistanis and saudis are white too they're also

oasion

well again it comes down to how

the in

vigils and

communities identified

in a lot of ways ethnicity in the american context is kind of like how the supreme court talked about

not

you can't define it specifically

but you know it when you see it

and it's part of how you identify

not only as an individual

family

but as a local

immunity and a national

so if they choose to identify that's great but if you are in new jersey

and you're a sicilian american and you still identify as sicilian

i'm not going to impose on you what your identity should be

ca speak

yourself

um from nathaniel thank you for the super chat said

has can you expand on the lenin's thesis that fascism is

capitalism indicate

and perhaps give an opinion as to whether that really is accurate

i don't think lennin said this

i think someone else at this gramsky

gram shy

lennon did not give a definitive evaluation of the

the phenomenal

fascism

but i've interpreted this is a break fascism was a

the breakdown decay of

classical modernity

from the nineteenth century

speifically that form of cap

um from the from escbar agen thank you for the super shar he said

ask matt to explain why secular ashkanazi jews aren't white you fsor and expose himself for being a fraud a lot of thesese questions

i'm glad i'm doing so much fun with you

bed it's a great opportunity for us to come together

and celebrate one another's differences

and true diversity not forced diversity or forceed multiculturalism

or the destruction of f

religious or cultural identities which capitalism calls for

instead it's a time for us to be positive and enhance and embrace wh

from your average graper i think for the superschat he said opinion on distributism

guard

is that is that the catholic

social uh

chester

that's what that is right i

mm

should i read the next one and then go

oh ya yeah it's uh

i've i've heard uh

i've heard

i'm not that familiar with i don't know that i like to look at things in their practical application historical context

but

not as abstractions so that i think that's a question of the history of

you know

that kind of

from mom silo i think for the superch haz said has you have claimed to have read yougin and then you should know in his

well

in his book ethnos and society that americans american whites

would constitute a narrow and not an

a

he said what the not en ethnos

constitute a narrow and not an ethnic not all not all yeah

what that it means a people

you have peop

i

yes theyre i don't agree they're an ethnic stugan

shares the view with

mmhmm

i would politely disagree

m

from aswar thank you again for the super chat

um i used to host a podcast with heinbach he is lying about his convictions let me come on exposive

another night i would i would encourage everyone to listen to our episodes i think it was great conversations including like

and i like ten

the autobiot

which is a great show so i

billy i'm sorry we're not friends anymore but i still resb the work that you do

call

come

from history talk thank you for the super chat

matt claims to apply socialism in the american context but there is no identitarian socialist tradition in the u

nasball is a dead russian ideology and not just larping like

in his nazi days by

tending to

well i mean i would say i get all my larping out when i reenact one of my fun hobbies

h so i fill up my capacity on live action role playing

h but as i said before

i think we need to develop socialism in an america

context and

you know i would be more of a hughie long national bolshevik

that i would be trying to put dugin into an american box or lamanov

or any of those guys

i can see historical inspirations and be like oh that's a great point those are some great ideas

but the revolution has to be grown

organic

that's why the north korean solution

is different than the chinese solution it's going to be different than the russian solution

it's going to be different than the one that takes place here in the united states

and there's a lot we can learn from history and other movements

but we've got to develop it here for us in our current context

because i care about helping

family

i care about the future of my kids

and the millions of kids that are their age

that are growing up in a society

that is headed towards ecological

and

economic

destruction

and we can do better

it's not about transplanting foreign ideologies

it's about understanding a scientific analysis

of economics

and civilization and society

to build a better future for all of us

um from nathaniel thank you for the super chat says

in your opinion what is the extent of alexander gins influence on the idea ideology and statecraft of vladimir putin

please feel free to cite any evidence even if it's anecdotal

um i've heard rumors and nothing more i'm sure

putin

and upper eclons of the russian military

are familiar with his book foundations of geopolitics

beyond that

i don't know i don't really know

it's hard to tell

a i wouldn't overestimate it though i really wouldn't

think it's very

putin he comes

it's very easy to become dougan without even knowing who dogan is in russia it's very easy to like

reconcile one's own soviet

orxs leninist passed

with a new found discovery of russian

russian orthodox civilization so it's

i wouldn't overrest

i do believe

if um i mean i could be mistaken

that

at least some of his materials are required reading

once you reach the ranight

kernel and above

at some of the russian military accounts

so i mean i i do think he has an interesting role but but it's funny you mention uh um people being able to

you have opinions on

and stuff like that without knowing him

because uh for very long a very long time uh the idea of having a positive uh

perception

of

russian federation and its moves

to

block american hedgemony especially in eastern europe

uh you know you get called a a dougonite and stuff like that and most of these

keep on all sides

use words but they don't actually know what they mean

probably never

books and

but you know that's that's the tragedy of the internet age

um from the silent k thank you for the stupid chat

if matthew felt an authentic identity as a furry because of his lived experience does this entail furry self determination

i fully encourage all furrays to exercise self determination in their own community away from us

ya and then um

again from eswar thank you for the supid chat

why are js not allowed to personally identify as white

well because they're part of their own efno religious community

and they already have an identity

i mean the same sort of idea as a white american you know pulling a rachel doahz all

and

pretending to be black

and then taking on

that ethnic identity the history the trauma that's associated of course

with being a black american over the past four centuries

h it's fundamentally disingenuous so i would say jews have their own identity

their own religious background and stuff like that and for them to play a rachel do was all is as wrong as you know they just caught a academic

that i was pretending to be american indian

uh i mean same the elizabeth lawreence

sort of thing it's wrong to take on identities and the experiences and histories

of other peoples

that belongs to those people that have lived

do it and develop their identity from

onm from sultan thyank you for the super chat he said have any of you read the north korean publication criticizing the theory

society

as lacking character in destroying korean bloodline

uh well the the cleanest race i think

ly interesting book i've got some

critiques of it

but the discussion of juja specifically

and the conception of the nation that developed

camel song thought

is fascinating i think brings up a lot of very valid points that the north korean solution

to develop socialism to eventually develop communism

and

be able to defend themselves against the american empire

is fundamentally works they are still an independent nation

and what works for them in their context has been overwhelmingly positive

because very few nations have been able to face down

the might

of the united states of america

and the capitalist empires and come out on top so

you know what works for them good for them

welmo wast caught up

um from voidburn thank you for the stupid chat

mark

you've still failed to address what makes whiteness essential or compulsory to achieving american socialism

as far as i have heard you only repeat the liberal sounding individualistic identitarian

well it's community based it's not about the individual

it's not an identity of

w

it's a shared identity within my expand

family within my

so in terms of having

our identity

it's part of the human experience

that's right

indians are tribal

teachers

and trying to you know if especially if we're scientific socialists

the idea of ignoring a huge part

of the human experience

it's on

you know a historical level evolutionary level

and on an immediate level in the here and now

human beings or tribal creatures so trying to work against that

it's like trying to pretend that gravity doesn't exist or things like that

and we can either harness it

so it can be used for good

yeah

if

we simply abandon identity

what that's going to do is it's going to allow the forces of reaction

to appeal to this natural human characteristic

to promote their own good and you can see that with the american empire

you know they were uh you know doctr suse was doing racist caricatures about the japanese

to encourage farm boys from iowa to go kill the japs and

guadal canal and stuff

that

human characteristics

it will end up being used against socialism

and instead

we can follow marxis let in this line and have

affirmative identity

for union of fraternal peoples

and that's far more positive and takes a huge weapon that the reactionary right especially

utilizes against working class organ

that's

he

um i think we are all caught up on our superchust thank you guys so much you guys have been very generous tonight we really do

yeah unfortunately i had to interrupt the

it's the stream for a second i sent you a twitter gd m letting you know about it

yeah

but

anyway regardless yeah i mean after this debate i still have no idea and do not see any value in the so called

recognizing a white identity

i don't see why anyone would want to

talk about white pride or white nationalism or identify white people

you know as a specific ethnos or as a specific nation

other than to be anarchistic and provocative against liberals i mean

i you know

you could maybe rally white people around the fact

that

you know i

there is a huge pushback

against

like white people that you're seeing in this country aro on the board with black lives matters of

beyond being a form of collective grievance i don't see

any such thing as a white identity i mean people have pointed out

how can sicilians how can italians

be considered white and you responded by saying that

this is just because it's their individual preference right and then we don't know how to distinguish them from furries

then someone asked ok so why can't jewish people identify in the same way

and you say because it's their specific background so it seems completely arbitrary and there's no scientific

objective or material criterion

with which we can identify that i don't see why someone would want to cling or be so attached

any kind of wide identity

mean

the feeling you have in your stomach that attaches you to the tradition of your father your forefathers

and so on and so on

i couldn't see how that can be reconcilable

with something called white

right i can get it if your father

was from ireland he's from scotland or if you maybe just identify him as an american he's an american right

these are genuine patriarchical

sorry patriotic and a

you know

national forms of

file

self understanding but

white does not really it doesn't seem to mean anything and although maybe you could say all but you're not white yourself

which again it's so arbitrary because

there are so many people who do accuse me of being white and being a white solvnist and whatever so i really don't know where this stuff

and even begin or end but all i can say is

it seems unnecessarily divisive

and

within the american context where the point is about a new american identity a new american civilization so you know that's that's really what i take away

but i take away from the debaateist

i don't see

the need for socialist to have to care to or cater to the needs of

idiosyncriic individual identity

right

if someone should choose to wake up one day and say

i identify as a horse

they may gallop in their

private life all they want but why should a socialist or communist organization

give any attention to this or care about this right it's

this is what separates

genuine

mm

communistic aesthetic from

from

neoliberal individual is aesthetic

now finally i do understand why some people might say well then why is it that one

has a recognition of black nationalism and black separatism and so on and so on

well the reason is because

within the american context if at least we're talking about the american descendants of slavery they are a specific and unique

nation or people or some kind of reality

now maybe they will in the future

you know decide as a matter of self determination to join in this american civilization american project

but

they have no reason to trust

the problem right

so

that's something i just

fundamentally respect

i have to respect

because they were excluded from american project

right

after slaver

so

that's pretty much h

all i have to say on that mat

um aright we do get one last super chat um

let me just pull it up

hello matthew

listen

thew you wanted

o yeah

that

the election was stall

and that arm the pulls up in the community section he doesn't go vote

um and yeah we'll see you guys tomorrow night

mm thank you as

come

op thank you

ho the foking shep mament

so fuck and stress out in shae

well i just fucked up the whole thing the whole fucking stream just got fuchk

because of you the funk and stupid shats

that's the thing it is your fuck and fault

you dumb fox

we just fuck and lost few hours

for what

because you don't know when to shut the fark up

the house

lucky damn it man

you'll find it funny right you'll find it funny

thean

kibbles longtime viewer ben

keep finding it funny

very of all

thean

there you go

keep laughing

stupid fuck and chat

keep laughing it's funny to waste my fuck and time

o yeah there you go another guy

three month subscriber bann

go ahead

bunch of stupid folk

you didn't suck the fok up i wouldn't have had the falk hi do it

is the thing

but you draw attention to shit

that's what you do

that's ok

you cut yourself you cut yourself

you cut yourself

that's ok

why and cock yourself

i want a new rule from every single mod every single mod listen up right now this is a new

hardcore unconditional rule we're going to put in place

itf a single chatter

ever points out a t os violation in real time

you need to perm a bandum on the falcking spot

and they are never getting amnesty

you perb a banm on the spot

if you have something you want to falcon tell me about you been it to me

you don't fuck and go on my fucking chat and start talking about shit

you dumb folk drawingan attention to shit

about that fucking debate i just sad but i had to get talking distracted and out of my fucket stressed out about shit because people just gota say nmt shit i guess i don't know what that fucking guy is so everyone in the chat spamming and telling me don't to him he's fine

don't let him ake you i don't fuk you know that guy is and i don't fuk care and i've told you about this before bunch a fucky girl butuching liberal as you think i don't know that these people might have secret not these or beliefs maybe they do maybe they don't i don't fuking care i'm not

jop of the ow whos whitch ting is shit i care about what you say in public and i'll deal with on the surface level i don't give f what you say in private or what you think in private i literally don't give a b i don't care about people's private views on itanyth i don't care i fundamentally don't care what if you think of the debate

i thought it was stupid honest butout it was u like honestly somebody out here who's just like i'm white it's like no one cares dud nobody talking cares if someone came to a communist party war going they're like excuse me

i'm white it's like yah we know you're white who fuckin cares what is your point

the grass you know you're white ok so what what does that have to do with anything you know

the thing like american i get that and a lot of people like you're just saying that because you're not white you wouldn't get it you're lebanese so you're just trying to know whod

i was born in this fucking country too i've never heard of that shit i've never heard of people who are just like you know w i identify as white he him i identifys white and bury why you know like yeah your wife but your wife because you can do whatever fucking historical analysis

so that shit you want but what's the point the reason why you like sometho wll pus want to say the same thing about black people but i'll tell you why i'll say the same thing about black a they were brought here as slaves from africa not people settling in the country part of the america

american project be they were never given land to become to become part of the american project after slavery was over thank you carlo appreciate you

h there's a different history a different genealogy you know i respect i can respect that it's a different pattern right it's a different pattern thing is the thing is th show b the thing is white people are not the same because there's two different fro

each other co fuck in appalachians and sit liberals living in puk in seattle are not the fuck and saye white people in portland oregon have nothing to do with white people up north of michigan you know what i mean so it's like you don't have that that same thing whereas almost all american black people descendants of slaves trac to the

black belt there can trace their origin to the black belt or to freed slaves in the north something like that all of them can trace their lineage to freed slaves so it's like one lineage based on slavery but white people's not the same thing right

and it was boring whatever i'm not you know i don't i don't want to attack that guy too much not because i'm scared to wor beter the right thingk jen because i don't know him he was polite to me so i'll be polite to him i don't know i just got pissed when you know i have to get stressed out about shit stuff

that's when i get pissed

you know

it's just not being able to know that fucking kills me you know it's just you don't know you don't fuck and know

you just don't know you have no idea you know it's so arbitrary

but maybe maybe you could just let it slide you don't know but then when the chat draws attention to it at that point you have to you have to act because chat just made it a thing before you didn't know chat 's made a pucky thing right

so they weren't on funny means chat started to freak out stupid liberal fo chat good stupid falking liberal fo chat that i have apparently apparently i have fastus jats a stupid fucking shit looking for shit to be like

h oh

to p l just the bk stupid and here's the thing i don't want to have to get to this point let me tell you all something white nationalism is inherently sayanic look at the order of nine angels look at how many of them have animate p pictures and are obsessed with the purity

an animate you know animate falking cartoon shit you know it's so weird don't give me that falking umb bost don't give me that dumb boastit about talking you know

but were our views got destroyed our views got destroyed and we lost two hours so everything's fine right everything's fine your count got decimated no i don't have to put it on this

green it's long time people that fuk p it's literally long time people that falk ofp like that you know it's long time chatters that falk off like that we could have kept we could have had something that everyone could have watched after this was all done and made time to watch but because you the chat can't shut the fuck up

at the right time and you have to try and point shit out

and backseat police the falc and stream

yeah

it's like fucking schwtinger's cats

it's ambiguous you don't really know but then hat freaks out so then it becomes a thing and you have to act

right

you don't know based on the content they just made the context of whatever it was that's what they fuck and do they make the context

thank you party chairman

why does everyone want to be a cop guino it's a combination of guino low testosterone

and get in no pussy

thank you roxsa cat must silence their internal hour manager

yeah i know they only help hat watchers in the enemy yeah

we gota talk about some shit too

yah we're going to cover a lot of shit about patriotism and i'm waning to look at some ellis up stuff first because oki mains on the front page and soor the botes sisters and so i want to cover that you know so that's the type of shit i want to cover

so let's check this up poky on women

let me see what she's got to say

so first of all she's got a new hairstyle wow

now

really cool

belong in the kitchen

and

women

days

belong in the kitchen

i actually love her new hairstyle not going to line

in't kidding

on ironically

ironically i would only marry a woman with that type of hairstyle i'm not even kidding by the way

i'm not even joke that's not a joke

that's not even a joke

i would only ever marry a woman with curly hair

and that's not a joke

think it's a joke

it's not

why is pokey blackfacing

ow she's moroccan with the fuck are you talking about

he's moroccan

you beven talking about

assan why are you trying to start shiit

here you know what

here we go har san's going after pokemon

hassan's attacking pokeman right now

that's what's going on

hassan's attacking pokemon

because he's saying she's doing black face hey hassan guess what

she's moroccan

looks like i got to be the one to defend poku main from assan

you know what i mean

i hate to be in this position because it's such a shame

because you know like

it seemed like they were really good friends before

but

now

you know now it looks like

there's a rift between them and i have to be the one to defend pokemin

are from hassan

so that's a such a shame honestly such as

horrible development

has happened

but

we just lost

one hundred views

because of chat by

it's gonna keep reminding you guys of that

want to keep reminding you guys

all the views we lost

because of you

are you fucking insane that's her natural hair dude

oh what is that

no way

this is your natural air

is it

i didn't know that

alright

how much am i allowed to compliment you because i don't know what's allowedor

considered

crossing the line b

wow

androw doode you're actually

you have twenty thirty six in your name

so i was going to perma ban you but you're getting a seven hour bn

do not ever insult

poki main in my chat

you not ever talk shit about pokemin in my jaz

what all i gota say is

there we go we got our first time chatter

and it's going to be his last time

this is not the chat you're going to be insulting poki mainen this is not the chat you by going to be insulting poki mainen

you think it's a joke it's actually not a joke by the way sctually not a joke

it's actually not a joke

that was just a perma band for insulting pokemn

understand

you a mess

oh is this that little bitch this is that little bitch

hello pussy

to this day can get in v c

and is doing a bunch of illegal shit

the fuck out of my chat bitch

you got a case on you by the way i'm working a case on you

pacific

so

yeah don't worry about that

oh bitch

you got a lot of evidence compiled to

biy the way

lot of evidence

anyway

am i allowed to say i'm allowed to say this right

like

if i have a future wife she has to look like this like exactly like this

i'm not joking about that

that is my standard

this is my standard

that

the fox

guys

she's literally moroccan are you fucking stupid she's like literally from africa bro

that is a

like that doesn't mean she's black but like that is her natural fucking hair youe psycho

what a psychotic fucking take there to see these seventeen months

oh that is no there's no shot a black person said that ok

ok moving on

the boate alex apologized

no don't apologize come ither have to

let's see there's an apology

apologetic

yes

i butt to apologize

last time we streamed i made a dumb off haand comment that couldn't be further from what i actually think it was a moment of poor articulation of a half baked unrelated thought and out of context i see how that could be interpreted to mean a variety of different things than

really sorry for that also i've been receiving and reading a lot of comments that are saying we're here being paid by the government we're not being paid to be here we're just here for the world ches championship we've been up front about this since the start of the chess travel show also on our first day here we said that us being here doesn't mean that we support local politics but

that look at the internet does it makes you look like you're fucking being held hostage at gunpoint

all for what

for what

f i ever became as popular as a son

i would be so evil

you know what i do i'd be like

i have fans like oh my god i'm so glad to meet you

and i'm going to treat every single fan as one of these random redit people who would turn on me like a dime just like this

like oh really you're nice to meet me

like yeah like guess what

you just go lucky because i'm going to personally

rade your twitch channel what's your twitch name

ah which sd i saiy okay

and io'll go home and block them

i would take a pick

this what i'm going to do when i'm if i'm ever get to hassan's size

and i ever become popular on l s f all these rereditors and shit

i'm goinga do nothing

i'm going to be like a bitter guy

we got his heart broken

and treats women like shit in relationships

that's what i will do to fans

if i ever get big like a son

because they will turn on you like a dime

just like they turned on alexandra

otez

iy used to worship them

it turned on a man

that

understand

and then

you know

that's exactly how i'm gonna be

i'm going to treat my fans

just like i treat people in relationship

i got my heart broken before so now every one must suffer

i think it's a joke

i donet think it's a joke

and a joke

and a joke

listen you want know how fucked up i am listen i'll hite it

ill het it

i will actually simulate

a relationship

i'll be close i'll codle you know

i'll take them out and shit

this like this out ghoest them

like this

right

and never speak to them again

you don't know what level of cold i'm on in my life you don't know what level of cold i'm on

understand

like

this is anothering too i don't mean to ramble into a different topic

but a lot of people that they got this thing that's like

see a lot of

sometimes i feel like girls they get confused because it's like

you hit it

and then they're like oh so now i'm going to know whether he's going to

he's goninga

you know

he's going to to

he's going to ghost me or not right he's going to leave

no i must stay

we're going to coddle

i'm going to take you out and i'm going to treat you like i'm your man

i'm going to like

be protective in qe hold your hand all that kind of shit

and the whole time it's going to be fake

the whole time it's going to be a simulation

that's the level of gold i'm on

understand

it's a conversation we'd feel safe for having when we're back home so on that note we are here for the world chess championship that's what the last

i'm heartless really

i'm heartless and i'm a bad guy for that right i'm a bad guy

i'm a bad guy

how many of you guys think i'm a bad guy for that h

am i be in bad for that

yes

yes

let me tell you what

i'm a bad guy for that right

then how come

when it was real

i got

betrayed and let down

tell me that

answer that question for me

how come

i gave it my all

and i randomly get ghosted

why did that happen

exactly because this is a doggie dog world bitch

that's why

i got the right to do that

i have the right to do that

understand ive got the right to do that

it happened years ago

yes

will i ever get over it no

moving on

m

i don't want redemption i don't want redemption

because guess what

i don't actually want redemption

because

this new shit that i do

is actually

very therapeutic

for me

it actually feels

very good

you know what i mean

like wow

wow

wow

thing is

let me tell you a word you know you know i'm the f

it's like i'm the joker you know what i mean like

i am literally made of stone

but i can seem i can simulate

i can s i like i let her think like oh

i've penetrated his outer shell

in the whole time

that was my outer show

you know what i mean

you're got to understand

i'm built different

y

i'm bill different you understand

bike

'll have no idea i'm buill differ

o

let's watch this

r and on before we do that

what is this

we're going to watch a debate

with and some guy about communism

but before we get to that

you see dankey and moppin

well

oh yeah ok yeah i want to talk about the patriots sit

yeah

here's the thing

is that

thyankee king

it's just some random domb fuck and i don't know why anyone gives that guy any attention

yankee king is literally just some fucking

stupid fox

kid from ugah

how old is dankey king they can't be older than nineteen and if they are

they have jason on ru a permanent child syndrome

and that little bitch donkey kingg will never fuck and debate me so why you why do you talk to me about people

who don't ever want to debate me

don't fuck and talk to me about dankey king

i'll literally bring his bitch ass in my fucking v c right now

and we can see

who's going to debate who

i'll bring a fucking debatum right now

isn't patriot explanation going to be in the substact

yeah it is

but here's a thing

right

here's a thing

but it is sch a stupid thok

i falk and hat left

so much i hate these stupid

book

this is the new position ready

we must not give too much attention to the patriotism debate

it only cause confusion

a great feat of patrism is recognizing the ambiguity of what america is

focus your energy on being a fighter for the people that is how america must be defined

gate

so this is where we differ from patriot friend

so patriot front

by the way by the way by the way

i can't talk about patriot fround

on fucking i can't show you it ons stream because it's t os probably

it is a thousand percent of federal operation

how many of you are smart enough to understand that

patriot front was one thousand percent a federal operation

holy fok the whole focking oor it was fake

they're all glowy they look loy we the look lowy right

the first person to raise awareness

was a random twitter account that was created this month

they tagged every prominent

loe fed

person in it and they all read tweetd and that's how it got big

patriot front

is a federal

creation

it's a government three letter energy

bucking entity

o

and but the difference between us

and the patriot front people

here's here's my here's what i always say right

at aur rallies

let's say we have a c pusa rally our own right

we don't only have to have american flags

right we're not only going to have american flags

we're going to have

american flag variations i like the ones that replace blue with yellow specifical i like yellow golden yellow

gold and yellow right

yellow instead of blue is where i'm coming from right

and we can also have like other flag i don't know do we need flags at all do we need flag flags are kind of outdated let's be honest

but banners right

we're just going to have american flags and we're not only going to have american flags because guess what

and this is something i' got to explain to you guys but stupid people won't understand

there's nothing i can do about that

but

not

so seventeen seventy six

is not the basis of american civilization

it's a part of american civilization

american civilization came before sevnenteenre seventy six

so it's not just

america isn't just based on a political act

it's not just based on a political act

ok

we want to deep in american civilization we want to deep in it we want to go deeper than seven hundred seventy six

right

and

we stole the land from the natives

that's a really simplistic fucking way of

describing the falc in his f

it's just a simplification ok

the history of the settlers dealing with natives was it fair no was there a lot of genocide

yes

but it's not as it's not iss one sided as you're making it out to be

it's much more complicated

eight

it wasn't just people w came here and stole the land

that's not just what happed

it's a simplification

you know

those fucking puritans who came here and were settling in shit

their relationship with the native america with the indians or whatever

it's much more complicated

i'm not saying it wasn't based on like jenet there wasn't genocide and all that kind of stuff i'm not denying any crimes

i'm just saying it wasn't only that

it wasn't only that

shan't take its imperialism

you are stupid dumb fox you are literally a dumb stupid fox

is your problem

right

you just have these really broad historical moral narratives and you don't actually study the material history in depth

to know what the fuck you're talking about

gate

it's much more complex and specific than your fuck in making out to be

making it ouht to be neither do the differences yes i do yes i fut and do because i've studied it

you dumb as

i've actually studied it

explain the long story about it

refugees from europe

because of

religious

turmoil in europe they came to america as the

ground zero of ther puritanism and protestantism right

suss a new ground here to start fresh

and they worked the land

and they were on the other hand they were dealing with

native

they were dealing with indians or natives right

but guess what

then the native americans right they themselves had their own civilizational development that was going on

so there was fighting between them

right

there's a lot of shit going on between them

when the fucking ah europeans came with guns and changed the whole game

because they have guns now and they got you know

are i don't know they have

more resources and technology i guess

they upset the balance of that

thing that was going on between the natives

you know you don't think that

your problem is that you don't understand

how

indigenous americans or native americans

they had their own separate

people's

they weren't just one model i it wasn't fucking james cameron avatar where it was like yeah we're different but once in a while we all come together and just dance around a big tree that's not what it fucking was going on

ok

that's not what was fucking going on

you stupid fuck

it's a stupid noble savage orientalist

you of what fuckn happen

so the europeans came and they upset

they changed the game as far as that was concerned

and they did deal with indd they didn't just come first and then just kill everyone right outright that's just not how it fuckin happened

my ancestors killed natives

and were killed by the natives when they snitched on us to europeans yeah it's a it's more complicated than people are trying to tell you

ok

western expansion ok now you're shifting to the nineteenth century

ok

by that time just to let you know rapid fire

by that time

the settlers had already become indigenozed living on the continent for hundreds of years

by that by the time the westerns expansion

what can happen

i'm going to leave it to that

no because even the westward expansion

was more fuck and complicated than you're making it out to be

you have to study american history

specifically respecting history as its own study

you can't just fok in

god told me think the west men you're trying to make it seem like there was like a native american state that was just all of west america and they came in and stole that state

that's not what falking hap

that's not what focking hap

yes land was stolen

from

native americans

but not all of that land

was part of a native american politicy

like there is very specific concentrated areas

of

indians well they prefer to be called indians because they don't like the term native american

and yes there was a genocide committed against itm was a grave historical crime

but that wasn't

all of the west that wasn't all of the westward expansion all it was you can't reduce it only to those crimes

is the thing

ya they usually like to be called by the name of their tribes yh

ause yeah

bike

the estimates for the total amount removed

it manifest destiny

how much is it

you know the highest estimate

so here's the indian removal

the total victims

let me find the total victum

indian removal

a all vict

in terms of displaced people

not not deaths but displaced people

wikipedia

is saying that in the trail of tears

you had the displacement and ethnic cleansing of approximately sixty thousand

native americans

which is a lot i'm not downplaying that

but you have to understand

that seven million people participated in the westward expansions

so

like just think about it in terms of population density

obviously not

every aspect of a manifest's destiny

was just

the nate the genocide of

indian people's

it did involve that you can't downplay that or ignore that or race that but it wasn't only that is my fucking point

came after their movals

mulls weren't concentrated in the west

no i'm talking about the ones corresponding to the westfor there was multiple ones

yet they're just very one sided when it comes to history

and this is very ideological

you know

it's fucking stupid

what i was trying to say

is

speaking of indigenous people let me be very clear about that let me be very clear about this ok

the very be very clear about this

so

every single people's that's been in this land

for let's say

only centuries

they have much less

um

they are not

attached to the soil

to the sky to the earth

and to the arm

the seas

like the indigenous people are they've been here for thousands and thousands and thousands of years so their culture

their mythology

there

mythos

you're folklore

is

the most advanced relationship or the most developed relationship

between humankind and this land

right

and that's why

even after

seventeen seventy six

and i don't

even after seventeen seventy six

guess what

when they named the states and when they named the towns and the cities in the u s

guess what

a lot of them are named after indigenous words and native words because

these are the people who have defined the land

so if you want to talk about an american patriotic identity

guess what

part of that

comes with understanding

that

the people who are defining our ground our soil our sky and every

indigenous people

are a very important part of defining the american identity

and always have been

i want to have them

have an even bigger part in doing that

right

so anyone who's sanying this bullshit like a oh when you mean american

you're just talking about white people

now dude those white people living in rural america

they're not pure white

there

di a mixed

right and they have a lot of reverence and respect for the native folklore

and there's a lot of

respect there's like there's a there's a specific thing going on there a lot of them are mixed

they're mixed with native peoples

mike

literally by blood they're mixed

right

but shall would know nothing about that

you all just talk about

oh they're white they're white this why that you don't know that it's much more ambiguous

it's much more ambiguous

even fuck and trump's movement is more fucking ambiguous

average white american is like ninety nine percent european

that is not true

that's literally not fucking true

matter of fact the more rule the more you find people mixed

actually

bel mass

you never like

you have so many people

who have

native ancestry in america

from rual background

who said that a literal dumb mess in my chat

that average white american is ninety nine percent european

no they're not

the dumbest shitit i ever heard yes they are

short where are you getting that from

where are you getting yourself

from a

they're usually like you know

they usually got more

especially like you depending on the region you got people with

la tino d n a they got

black d n a they got fucking

native

so ok so so patriot front with the angle that so let me tell you what

want a debate tomorrow is sure dum ass will debate

so here's the thing right

here's a thing y's the other way around to here's a thing

the patriot front people let me tell you

they they went and they said in their manifesto

europeans came to this country and

this country's just a bunch of bullshit this is our destiny it's not true the american identity is fundamentally mixed

with indigenous

and also latino and black

you don't like that you're not a fucking american

that's the fucking plain truth of the matter

there is no pure white identity

second of all

if you're talking about an american identity

second of all

they

they went ahead and said

our republic needs to be

put to an end

we need to become a

a dictatorship

yeah that is what's going to happen except it's the democrats who are fucking leading that shit

which is exactly what silicon valley in the fucking democrats and all them are trying to do so these patriot front people are pretending to be the resistance

when they are serving the agenda

and they're a federal outfit you know they're feds they're a federal outfit

everybody knows their gloies

everybody knows their glies

is there a black identity they're all mixed too

as it's based on descendent from slavery

and it's a specific culture and community and all that kind of shit

but i'm not even talking about that i'm talking about america i'm talking about the american

working class

the american working class is not

just pure white

whatever the fuck they're saying is it majority white

yeah

but it's not like

what they're trying to say like oh hous is just s white

white white white

white white white should the fuck up dude it's not just that

it's not just that you're fucking wrong

you know

it's way more ambiguous

it's like it gets to a point where it's like you look at the mega movement alone

you see how many latinos are in that mega movement

and what you first thought was a series of exceptions latinos and black people you first think it's like ah this is an exception this is just a token

this is just an exception

and then you keep seeing it over and over again more and more and then at a certain point you're just like

m

this is not a fuckan exception this is a rule there's a lot of

non white people in trump's fuck and mega movement

wonder how that came to be right

but they're de liberal media and all these people are trying to tell us oh it's just white people oh this is just white

this is just white

i mean and i get it when you're talking about

black people dorees not

i get it you i get that right when you're saying like

oh yeah there's not really a lot of black representation in maga

but there's a way more than you would expect

way more than you'd expect

but yeah i get that

what

it's the thing with

you know let me tell you guys something

there is no group in this country who our establishment is more out of touch with

then latinos

like

they just did a survey and it's like

seventy percent of latinos are offended when you use the word latin x

they're actually offended by it

latinos have no representation by the fucking media

like so many are right wing and mega people too and it's like

they don't exist

it's all white people

you know what i mean

what's up with that

what's up with this complete erasure of latinos by the media like they don't exist

they love bernie to yeah but it's like they don't exist according to the media i don't get it

it's so weird

you notice how many of those

pickup trucks trump supporters are actually just latino

you're not white

filitino

ya it's an attempt to to to

to angloize the spanish language

yeah because they don't fit the mould

so they just get a race genoci and that's genocidal isn't it

it's a form of erasation

cultural erasation

listen

being red or blue at this point i'm going to let you on

actually i'm going to tell you also

going to tell you all some facts

the division between red and blue in this country and red doesn't only have to mean republican it can just mean like

conspiracy theorist

non politically correct whatever conservative religious whatever that division is not based on race

it's based on

are you loyal to the institutions

or did you get falked over by the institutions are you excluded by them and

you're not part of the

it's that simple

are you are you

are you buying into the university are you like

i'm in university and but the professor ss are you a little bitch are you a shill are you a falcon

are you

are you drinking the tap water

are you drinking that tap water

that's the division

it's not based on race

it's not based on race at all

it's like

i've never seen it based on race too all the based people in real life

when we're in like a brainwashing

walking politically correct environment the pvi like ok it's time to talk about the lat max

my wen they them they there is ways

at

wearing it talk right now about

the injustice that's going on and

we are going to be in solidarity with and like we're just looking at each other like

and we're bein silent but we both understand

you know what i mean we both understand what's going on

it's never based on race that's the thing

it's if anything there's more non white people that

i find myself in that situation

you know

right you don't they they underestimate like

how many of all these young people are like

into crypto and their

you know they're trying to get rich independently and they're like buck that nine to five job buk the corporate job

i'm going to try to use bgcoin to get rich or some shit

they's such like an underestimation

o

that

specific group

right

auhh

on

what the hell

i want to show youll some tick talks

they were going to be charged as well for the horse

horrific acts of their son

hold on

nw

they school and most days of the week

i we cannot

say too much we're going to watch some libs of tick top

together

ok

we're going to watch some of these

just to talk about what i'm taught because you are like

has

why are you onlys siding with conservatives aren't you going a little too hard on the lab

an answer for this

moove

corona by came from over sea in facting folks across the land seattle and hy s if anyone can find the song

that

that is based

that this is based off of i'll give you v ip in my chat

find me the song this is based off

is this

i know he didn't

oh fuck i'm not giving you shit be caause you all just collectively did it at once

hoof the magic dragon

hoof the magic dragon

is that really where it's from

wof the magic dragger

is there a remix of that song

let's hear ll let's go let's go youys got a remak let's go the magic to live by the sea andl in the autumn mist in a land called

little jacky paper under that rascal pup and brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff oh it's a good song let me try to find a remix

now let's

yh we got one

we actually got a few

the toime ofter the undo changed the anabatic mped to the full to the ground every one o'clocka quickly do semed that if it t occurred to me it was a delirious monaticticalptd

me tell you guys something

all music is eternal music is eternal

if you have a good song from eight hundred forty five

you can make it good in two thousand and twenty one just want to let you know

there be one herey di always do my think you take did that ok think the whole thing told its taken ouing that jak it with the alm moving like a sprinkler tree tickes one turn of another one does the club mix

check that one

so as you can see

just by finding the origin of this

i was able to produce an array of genres and music as all music is eternal

a little bats virus ve those human cells next thing you know the cases grow in the world that's gone to it's a family show

heck

pof corona bs came from over sea in facting folks across the land in seattle and i see corona

called covid nineteen

quickly spread like a wild fire now we're in quaranty bit a bit bit a bit a bit to bit a bit a bit to bit to bit a bit to bit to bit to bit to bit to bit to bit to bit to bit topit topit cay topit cay tuber camel tuble chma topt camicp ca tble chmel tuble

it bit it b but it it it it it bit it it it but one

it now it sucks they drop the ball they dropp the ball that poar

but let't continue

let's watch more clips

oh

the magic dragon

live by the sea

and the open air

in a land called

honorly

he chose me

he don't want you

he chose me he don't want you

nanny nanny boo boo up bug gimo thean you

thank

you'll ever see those tick dogs

o

you guys ever see those tick togs man because they're all very hideous

i can all

i thought him

ree

ld o i gotta find m

please let me fine

every time i scraw on to

i'm like

you know

the guy'sre always hiding

to

o on hells

he sld me he don't want you he sold me

it's out to find

youtube is not showing the actual funny way

so

nine

let's continue

okay this is the one i want to assume you

you all get ready for some science

is some ready for some science

diion did a new renaissance fair oawas

come on

got some science i have a question

i got the j and j vaccine

do i have to get another shot

the

yeah

you need seven

j g was the worst vaccine no it's not it's the best one

s the best one

israel just approved a fourth shot

i mean that's great

we need everyone for the result of the virus will floiter outside your home to try to steal your breath in fact everone is k to going the

you went to the e r for about three hours and it went away than good

what does buckling mean

it's a scary don't od

legs started buckling

that mean

i don't think we're allowed to talk about this

oh

don't send me shit like that

no ok can i actually say something about the virus

because ironically i actually have to say this

m

no i actually know this so

look i don't know everything

about vaccines or the virus

but there is one thing i can promise you

this virus

is very fuck up

i have relatives that work

in

hospitals

ok

and

you have no idea what's going on

i have uncles that work in hospitals and shis

ok so i i'm not

you know me i i don't trust the establishman i'm not one of those people

but they talk to me directly

the doctors and shit right

and

they're saying eighty percent of the people in the

hospitals are unvexed

and

thedave

youve got people my age my health

they lose long they are losing lung capacity

and

people are dying

you know what i mean it's

fucked up

and nothing to

um

and nothing to

is

first of all the experience is the worst thing ever

worst thing ever right if you're not vaccinated

and

nothing

oh

there's long term effects that we don't even fucky know about

of getting the virus

look up long covid and you will be falking terrified and no one's really talking about it because

listen you got to understand our society only focuses what's on the surface

the expect long covid

people losing

mental capacity

therere people can't walk for five minutes without getting tired people can't even shower

they lose taste for months and months and months

you got it unvaccinated and i've gotten brain fogg ever since

yeah

to listen

guys i want you to know there's a reason i got the vaccine in the first place

it's not because i know everything about vaccines

it's just that here's what i do know

when you get it

and i'm not an expert you don't

this is just what i know personally right

will you get it with the vaccine

it's way less

worse

then when you get the virus on vaccinated

so make of that which you will you know what i mean

i mean look

regardless of what you think

about

the vaccine or the virus

you have to be pragmatic about this

if you're going out in public and shit

i'm not an expert so do don't take my word for nothing it's just my common sense

you of it right

were worse with people that knew and believed they had long covern

i

what

so it's psychological

listen

regardless of where you stand

if there's a high chance you're going to get covid

do not

and i repeat

i don't know what to tell you i don't i'm not even an expert so maybe the psychological placebo effect will do something

i don't know i just think

it's kind of dangerous to expect

that you i have a good immune system so i'm going to be fine

look

the doctors don't even know what the fuck this virus is

there is no pattern

there's no pattern there's old people who get

no symptoms bad immune system there's young healthy people

that get falking put in the e r

with good immune system we don't know how this shit works is what i'm trying to tell you

see

you know you're taking a chance there's no fuck and pattern to it we don't know how it works

so

look all i can tell you

is

i don't know everything

right

but

i don't know if you' want to risk it

is what i'm trying to say

because

when i say this is a deadly virus

it really is fuck and deadly

right

and

i'm against the mandates i'm against the the way the establishment's been handling this shit

a

but

you know

that's just because i think

they're making it worse they're making people's distrust and paranoia worse

the more open

i believe in transparency the more open we can be about the truth

the more we could reasonably assess what are our fucking options here right because

even if i don't know everything about vaccines

i'm scared to get that flocking virus

i was on vaccinated

ey

even if the vaccines

are bad or whatever

it's

probably better than getting the fucking virus

that's all i could say

yeah i don't know forky i honestly don't know and i got to stress that guys

as much as i can

the only thing i know

is that coveed is falked up

that's all i know

and it seems

and i maybe i'm wrong it seems like

to me

from what i'm getting told

people who are vaccinated

get the virus

have an easier time

that's what i'm told

i don't know i don't know anything with any certainty i'm just a fucking twitch streamer

so everybody's got a

do their own homework right

but

you know

i don't i really just want you guys to know the severity of this fucking virus that's all i want you to know

i just want you to know this is no laughing matter

this is no joke

right whoever i can tell

i just want to tell you all that

this is no joke of a virus

so

it's no joke

when i s fee like ah you're trying to spread fear

i don't know man is the sit i've heard

brum

again people i do trust because they're my relatives are not part of the establishment

it's scary

i'm scared they scared the shit out of me at least

they scared they scared the shit out of me

it will be worse if you think it's a serious virus

that is really weird

i'm not even saying you're wrong i don't know how it works i really don't

my grandparents getting fucked by covid in the hospitals don't help them because they don't take the vaccine

fukman

that's what i'm trying to say you know that's what i'm trying to say is

i hate

how much it's been politicized i fugk and hate

ow

so politicized it's such a bad

way the establishment

it is so disgusting how they responded to this crisis

they responded to so much skepticism and doubt

about the population by

doubling down to give them every reason to fucking increase their fuck and paranoia you know

and

they fucked it up so much and they're still fucking it up

the way the the way i see it

is

i believe in the

theubs

that what the russian communist party believes which is

no lot that we're not doing this

vaccine discrimination type of shit

don't do that passport shit

focus on

patient

education

not from the establishment but just from like

normal people you know

that's what we need honestly that's what we need

we need because

listen if it wasn't for me having relatives

that worked in these hospitals and shit

told me firsthand what's going on

i don't know if i'd be telling you this right

i'm not telling you this because c n n told me this i'm not telling you this because i

read it on the fuck and internet i'm telling you this shit because

after i talk to people and you know i know how to discern

shit that's real versus shit that's fake

you know

do

all i can tell you

is that

this is a deadly virus

and if it's not deadly it's very very

dishes

and intense

right

look and you do want to look you do want to be

good on your vitamins too no matter what

you do want your vitamin d or vitamin c

all that shit someone encourage that to you know you always want to have your vitamins

vitamins

right

and vitamin d something people miss you really need the sun guys we need the sun

you need the sun

right

but

the long code is super super fucti

is sre good that n he's not dead

yeah

you

i was messaging him back and forth

today

we're not back and forth he messages me once today because i asked him a question

about

the trip

that's where we're leaving next week

the next week we're going to be in l a

i don't i'm not telling you the day next week

but we're going to be in l a next week

i

sos far as i know we're having a royal tomorrow

right so maybe he's just waiting for the royal who knows

maybe he's going to go live today who knows right

but

i'm pretty sure the royal has not been canceled

as of now

so

make of that which you will rte the royal has not been cancelled

i

look i just wanted to tell you all that real quick

i don't

i'm not an authority on this topic

and i want to be clear about that i'm not an authority

but from what little i do know or seemed to know

this is a focta virus

all i couln say it's a fok the virus

and yet

what what makes it even more fucked up

is the unpredictability because there's a lot of people

nothing happens but then there's also a lot of people thank you jen a

where

the worst happens to them so it's like you're flipping a coin right and you don't you don't know

you don't know

you have such little feel for now

keeping their community together and look to the internet for answers

yeah

yeah yeah

that's what i'd ultimately believe you should trust

your family you should trust your communities

you should trust the people around you

and don't focus too much on the internet

the i on either side you know

and what i'm telling you is something that i

i'm getting firsthand

not

not repeating i'm not it's i'm not politicizing it we shouldn't politicize this shit

a lot of people are politicizing it it's making it a lot worse you know

the truth is guys

and this is something my father told me actually

he always tells me this

but it's one hundred percent true

we don't know how any of this shit works we don't really know for sure how modern medicine in general works

but it's a risk

it's a cost benefit and risk

benefit analysis right

where

we don't really know how this shoulp works right

we do know that

getting the virus can really really falck you up

and the vaccine

from what i know

mitigates the risks

mitigates that it makes it easier to handle the virus

so

we live in a hyper connected world

and unless you live isolated from all society

there's and you liove if you live in america there's a big chance you're going to get this fucking virus

you sound like bill gates i don't know bro

i'm not telling you i'm a god i'm not telling you i'm like a

a huge authority on this i'm just telling you how i see it

right

like for example

i had walking pneumonia in twoenty nineteen because i did get an illness

the flu

and it was really intense version of the flu by the way it

felt like i was going to die

so i don't know what that was

but

afterwards i developed a developed a bacterial form of walking pneumonia

and i was prescribed a z pat

how don't fucking know how z pacs work and i don't trust them i'm a natural type of guy right

so otherwise i want to stay away from z pacs

but it's a cost benefit analysis

because i have walking for be pneumonia right

so i took the z pac because to me having walking pneumonia is worse

we'll gofullin and who knows what the long term consequences will be we don't know right

what

if it's going to get rid of my walking pneumonia

then god bless it right

well guess what

my walking pneumonia went away my bacteria walking pneumonia

wen away

this is where you guys seem to agree with the listen

sophia can you just stop being so fucking anti human

because

i'm not saying i know everything cause i fuckin don't

i don't know i don't know

i'm just a dude right i only know what's within my e

knowledge

but i'm just speaking as a human being why are you fucking politicizing it

i don't caet why you politicize

you know

i'm speaking as a human being and it seems like you just politicizing it

and not really saying anything

you have a ninety nine chance of survival

is it still like that let me see i don't know is it still like that

olwin survival rates

regardless man i listen

sophia can you at least have some understanding

because

i don't know if that's true

but i have cousins

we're in the fock and hospital there are my ad

so it's like

so i shouldn't be scared i got cousins my age

in the fokan hospital

like second cousins whatever third cousins

and they're fucking

lues function in their lungs and shit

it's like that don't seem like uh

one percent

you're pushing a vaccine and i'm not pushing nothing

all i'm trying to tell people is to not underestimate the virus

i'm not pushing nothing i don't push nothing dude i'm not like that

ok

i'm just telling you the truth

i'm telling you why i personally got it to

and i fucking got it because i'm scared to get that big

that virus you know

and whatever it whatever you're saying is wrong with the fucking vaccine

to me

getting cold is worse

right

at delta shit was weakt we good for you man i'm glad for you you think you'd think i'm

you think i'm going to get mad if i hear that

you know you you were you survived it or whatever i'm glad for you bro

honestly you should think god i'm just saying it ain't like that for a lot of people

for a lot of people it fucks you up

my aunt died from it heor kids who are in their early twenties went to the hospital for thatuess what i'm saying

do you agree with vaccine mandates

no i don't

because i believe

if the vaccines are

affective i trust the people i trust

that there can be a way

to educate them about this

and they will they will agree with

i believe and i believe

i believe in the people you understand so i'm against the fucking

manday

you know

and i think

listen if you're super super pro vaccine you should be against the mandate too because if you're right

you should be confident in your ability to convey that to be

you know

and persuade them

vaccine mandates and australia like policies

are accelerating people's distrust and paranoia

about the fucking vaccines

hundred thousand that's all i could

firm that hundred thousand percent

meas you live in a civilized world and all the scientists and doctors are working together to ps vaccines treatments

sd everyone come

eating

yeah it's

fucked up man

super

i don't like aways being politicized you know

and i'm going to be real libs are shutting down any talk about it right because

they're doing censorship

i mean we're even censored here right and they're doing all that kind of shit so i agree they're

they are culpable to they're also very culpable

fight

why aren't the thousands of people walking arm in arm

shoulder to shoulder across the world dropping like flies

i don't know why

yes scared of the vaccine and scared of the virus is a terrible place to mentally

but the way i weigh that is like

you have to choose one

that's just the conclusion i ultimately came to you either choose to get the vaccine or you choose to get the virus

on vaccinated

unless you live separate from society

that's the conclusion i came to

you know

um do you think the m r and a i don't know anything about

and a vaccine technology

i did get the jj vaccine

myself

does not use that

but i don't know that's not the reason

i just got the jane j so i don't know anything about it

i can't really comments on it because i don't know anything about

you scared of the sniffles

well no i'll tell you why i'm also personally scared to

it is because i got the flue in twenty nineteen

and that was not the sniffle's do

that's of

very per firs hand like traumatic experience i fuk and have was getting the flu in twenty nineteen

because i all i felt like i was about to die dude and i lost motivation it was so like

is to really psychological and spiritual too because i i remember sitting on my couch staring at the wall and i'm like

what's keeping me motivated even to fuck and live anymore

what do i really have to live

thank you go gho girl see later

night

you know what i mean it was so existential i was like

but the fuck man it's almost like

it's so psychic that's what's weird about viruses is like

they're so psychological

you know

they're so fucking psychological

and let me tell you guy something that's so prophetic and fucky weird

i remember

that when i had the flu

i heading

treme delirium right

and i was

watching twitch on my phone

and i was watching the angry joe show on twitch on my fuck and phone right because i thought which was for video games i

time

it was like early twenty nineteen before i discovered the raz show the ras ptel show

and i found out about hassan and slicker in

alibreal and zerka and all thse people

that was later in twenty nineteen

i was watching angry joe on

and which

right and i was just watching his stream

and i remember

looking at the chat scrolling down

really fast

and

i was also spending that week studying viruses and how they work and i was educating myself

and

about the mysteries of the immune system it's really mysteres

fascinating stuff

but i got to a point where it was like

i pull my phone down and tried to go to sleep

but i started having this delirious psychological experience where it's like

i felt like i was experiencing my immune system

speak to me in the form of a chat

like every new thought that would pop in my head

' was coming from

within me

from my fucking immune system and it was like

in the form of a chat

like a scre a chat scrolling down like

different chatters talking about shit like

oh how is you sweaty like oh like they're all like different

whatever right

and then i woke up in the middle of the night

sweating

and i took the biggest dump of my life

literally a shit this big

like i gave birth

two of them

i almost clogged the toilet

and then the virus was gone

it was like after a week of having

supposedly the flew

m

and i was fine

i went to bed woke up

and i was healthy now after i had walking pneumonia and i had to deal with that

but

i did shit out the flue

something like that

but here's the thing is that

it was something sol

weird about like

my relationship to streaming

the more i knew the more ies would

youar about it soecially after i found the raser the more i'd be like

fixs fixated like

it's almost like this was always my destiny

and i by the way i didn't think it would be

i never imagined i would do this

i was like cant

there's something about that chat that's just intoxicating to me

where it's like i've been here before you know

i've been here before

i've done this before

it's like a weird de javou feeling

and then what do you know

i became a falking streamer

that weird

so weird

but anyway

after that in twenty nineteen i started to become obsessed with viruses

and the minute

in december when i heard there's a new mysterious virus

at the wuhan airport

and asked the showrunners because i shared it in our chat and our private chat

i was like

this is why china's system is superior to americas

because they stay care about these little patterns

that could lead to so much

i literally said this said that

they actually

every time they american

we don't care right

when they found out about a new illness they they

double check i'm like that's why chinese system is better than ours

and then in january

ah oh

it started to spread to on m like guys

this is coming to america

if it comes to this country

we are not prepared to deal with a virus

we are not china

we will not deal with this virus and its comon

what do you know

what's fucked up is itt like

i was liv in quarantine

for a long time

up until then

starting in twenty eighteen

i started to live in isolation from the whole world

and then in summer of two thousand and nineteen i started to go out again

and then i started doing that up until

lockdown

but i already experienced my fuck and lockdown you know

i got used to it

no

that's why everything comes late

right

also china

like this idea of china right was

like as the future and all the implications is going to have

before it went viral i was on the

i i've always

anticipate ship before it fuken hath

all my life

all my life of anticipated shit before fucking happened

no

i do it before it happens

you know my life is

the come to a discovery and i tell the world

and it's like i'm always like is this thing on is this thing on

hey is this working i put it away

n i walk away it doesn't work falk

and then

then

soon as i walk out the door it starts working

you know what i mean

that's my life story

oh i'm not a seer dude it is just

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like i said these people are more responsible for people not taking the vaccine

then the

the conspiracy theories

hundred thousand percent or more

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the california native

oh see it man

i'm going to california next week

so

we a'll meet them

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you

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blibs of tick talk does not have

anything

going on they just have a bunch of threads

that's it and i'm going to them

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he said he wants to live stream so i guess we will

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they got needles and shit

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what else have

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that's pathetic nobody's even playing halo infinite campaign

it's got twenty two thousand viewers on twitch no one's even playing it

fuck halo and brow fuck andit halo infinite's got no con

' got no content

walk that game man

y the game is not even completed

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look at the results it was astonishingd you think the bat probably tomorrow

we've had to rethink the history of technology completely as a result of this single object it's such a clever extraordinarily sophisticated machine completely shocking for ancient greece

ancient greece had a computer that could run

it could run

wucking minecraft on it

one hundred and twenty years ago i want to see how many stupid people in shared evere

sponge divers discovered a shipwreck off the tiny island of antikithera in greece and what they found changed our understanding of human history for ever among the treasure trove were marble statues elegant vases glistening

hisory in ancient coins

and what looked to be a hunk of corroded metal

that no one knew quite what to do with

it was not recognized at all as being

discovered it was just a corroded lump about the size of a large di

o patriot front discussion i already did more or less have a discussion

on that

but when ine tho nineteen o two it was discovered that there were guar wills inside it everyone suddenly got rather excited this was the first shockth

you're going to talk about the great reset more in depth

yeah

i will

i'll definitely do that

from ancient greece simply shouldn't have gear wheels these were precision gears with teeth about a millimeter long

it's hard to talk about it because

and on the one hand

the great reset is also an actual

like inevitable historical change and not just a plan

so it's hard to know how much of it is planned

and how much is it is just an inevitable result of the change of his

b

but

a lot of it is planned

the scary

like a ton of it is actually planned

there

i don't know how far the're flucking

rabbit hole goes

they start planning in the seventies

they start planning

postworthy i don't know

i ca know ho f

this don't you alwaysust get this feeling that everything that happens in america's planed

like there's just a plan

they're all following a plan

always been he

you know

all part of the plan

completely completely shocking and the anti kisthro a mechanism

has captured the imagination of alchemis

logistics is a big victim of

way i business partners regarding the industry

wow

yeah

theologists mathematicians and scientists ever since it's a dedicated compulating it's like

they're doing it already right it's

you know i just

i've been anticipating it two

and i thought trump's election in twenty sixteen was like okay now we're accelerating

and i thought trump was going to do it i thought trump was going to be the force behind the great reset

he was going to like ally with silicon valley

and whatever but it never happened

so in the whole time it was like

know the opposite is the fucking democrats

which i suspected too but i didn't

i don't really know you know

if anything trump fought it here he seemed to fight it

uses bronze gear wheels to calculate the cycles

of the cosmos the cosmst being the sun the moon planets against the stars and wind it forward ten years

and you can know where the sun and the moon is going to be and where the planets are going

what you really need to know

and this is something no one paid attention to

obama was like

a complete puppet of silicon valley

so much changed in the obama years that led to the rise of fuck in silicon valley

it's so creepy it's scary

he's helped excited the process of growing multiplarity in the world yeah

but

you know why we have to say thank god for trump

we wouldn't have realized it

the obama years was like a dream no one was paying attention to what was going on

and we're just like oh yeah this is just history

this is just progress this is what's happening

and it's like trump woke us up

and we're like what darll folk

know know what i mean

it's like a new obama years

i was i didn't even know i wasn't even paying attention

the how

much silicon value was growing because of obama

trump exposed our ruling class

we may never ever witness an event like this

ever again

we are very lucky to have experience

our ruling class as but naked as they were

under trump

and i don't know if he was part of it or not but

what i do know

is that in twenty sixteen when he was elected president

something was going against the plan

the winds of faith

make of that which you will

we will never ever

catch our ruling class

with its pants down like that

for a long time

i'll guarantee you

you know what's

let me tell you what's weird though

and this is why i don't know if trump himself was part of it

when trump got elected

everyone who was around him

was like trump was not happy he was freaking out he was like

sure

he was actually scared shitless because

apparently he did not

and

he didn't anticipate whinning call this is not part of the plan

you know

he did think he was going to lose

him and millennial

we're really upset when the results were announced

everyone was saying that

they they actually started fighting to

i don't think trump was aware of what he was doing either

he was an outsider who wanted to be president

yeah it had a lot of effects he didn't even know about

trump was like all fuck i was just mad about

the obama birth certificate thing

hm

i was just being petty he's like i don't know

it be allright

you want to know what's hilarious

the most hilarious thing of all

is that trump was not a white supremacist

that's the thing

he was just a petty guy from the american ruling class

that turned against them because he was petty

his ego was hurt

the dude was not even a white supremacist like they were saying he didn't even care about any of that

politics is all a game of charades

who knows man

the question of what's pop the magic dragon

why the ancient greeks created such a device has plagued experts since its discovery

like trump would say shit

he wasn't even thinking about

and like the media would go crazy

the media we just

freak out

and he didn't even know what he did

he'd be like what

what did i say

i think it was conceived

as a calculating machine

that would calculate the theories there

they had astronomical theories

but could calculate those at the turn of had

so it would it would demonstrate

how

you could

look ahead say what' is the position of the moon goal

as soon as he got bann from twitter

i realized

that the world of alternative social media has just begun

and i've been on that alternative social media myself i've been there myself

so i know for a fact

you know that i know what's going on for a fact

myself

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the magic

try again

the there's a lot of people that are congregating there

a lot

going to be in fine

alll way hold on

so every time i go on the politically provoked

they changed my device settings not not not purposefully but by accident

when they the lower my volume it does it to my window setting so i have to go change it back

all right i didn't

every my view is time

work on that

deep web intellectual twitter pages with the micron e smees

ah

they're not twitter though it's not they're like alternatives

but i'm also talking about the alternatives to youtube

and i was on some of them

before stream

tell you oh yeah telegram to

sum me

this is a massive step for yeah

exactly vile that one i don't know if i can promote it here but

yeah

w in the history of science and

something we take for granted now

but in those days the idea that your scentific theories

could be mechanized

predictions could be mechanised

was absolute

now kept in a museum in greece

the two thousand year old device is split into eighty two fragments

and much of it is missed i didn't know what it was but then i did and i went on

sing

but in the years since the rock ben i don't know what falkin rock ben is du rock

thein dot com

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and where we open air

there's nobody's even live on rofkin right now

nobody's even live on rock finn

website looks dead to me bra

this discovery

i just ca't i just got rid of my partnership

jackson use it

but he probably has a partnership with them

modern technology has volved i don't know i don't know anything about it

ly advanced but we know about the mechanism

in thee nineteen seventies a team x rayed the device

and the first secrets were revealed

dozens of cogs

isn't whatsapp encrypted

hidden within it

that

it wasn't until three d x ray technology came along that they could separate these gears out

should i just get an i phone because of their security isn't i phone security like impenetrable

isn't buck an iphone

bike

balking impenetrable like

the fucking i phone chats

that's a marketing gimmick

we took a night tonn

sray machine to athens

i message

installed it in the museum

and we took

x ray data

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to survive

fract

thank

and what

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and we first

looks at the results

just get a burner phone vi that's what i'm trying to do get a burner but

well how do i get a burner do do you have like a smartphone burner or do you have like a flip like what do you do

neat i have my main daily driver is a

samsung

android

but i'm trying to get an i phone as a burner phone

with a hose

like i got this for the bros and the fam i got this for family and the broghs

i'm thinking about getting a knife phone for the hose

you know what i mean

a burner pae

not just for the hose but for a bunch of other folk shit you know

should i get an iphone as a burner

it was and also via how do you what do you

what do you do for your burner like do you get a new plan with verrizon or what do you do

because i want to do that too

astonishing

because it showed us not only

od

the gear wheels in three dimensions so we can separate

but it shows all these new inscriptions

in the frank

well

i don't know like you know why i want an i phone for the hosecuse it's like

i know what

do you use this same phone number

and that i do for my family that i do for you know

all these people out here

not know what i'm trying to say

but he just feels wrong

a new world i don't you know

secrets was revealed

i use and it feels wrong because it's like i'm disrespecting my family

ge

hidden within the folds of corroded bronze

this was a wonderful revelation

out of that data

has

come nearly all the break throughs in recent decades

came to the discovery that it predicted it

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ellipsies

today

followed the variable motion of the move

previous experts had been able to model the back of the mechanism up until this point

but these inscriptions helped tony and his colleagues with their latest model

which focuses on the front of the device

the thousands of text carage

an ancient greek mamgine i the of flip phones i don't know man

b you got android you got i phone

twent you years

which tell us how it wk

displayed

the ancient greek cosmo

the sun moon and planets is in a sort of ring system

it brought back the history of technology

to much earlier time

it's got an iphone

i think i might get one

think i'm going to give one

completely astonishing also

check this out

they got a deal by one get one free

the latest i phone by one get one free

which means i could just sell it

and get a free phone

the angel

great

first don't bother with the pro

well i'm not just getting the pro i'm getting the pro max

because it's by one get one free

the big one the iphone pro max

iphone pro max this is the one i'm getting

iphone pro max

thirteen

the thirteen

they going to have lines no they don't

i was youjust at best buy

they had to buy one get one free

i said no i'll come back and see

i'ming get the i'ming to get one

i might get that iphone i might get it tomorrow fucky

oh shit i can't tomorrow i don't got time

i cant get it tomorrow

i can get it uh

because i got to stream and beyond the royal so i can't get it tomorrow

i'm going to get it

thursday

oh by the way iy saturdy i'm not stcreaming

i am not streaming saturday

maill had the conception of making

orgins the magic dragon

live by the sea

n

second the ability to act

physically make

we've had to rethink

ftift is the royal happening there's no reason it shouldn't

is

the producer would have known right

me ex he said

of the magic dragon

nearby let's see

i don't know what zik's up to man i don't know what he's doing

not really responding

but he he messaged me today

so he's alive but i don't know what the funlk's going on with the

this is a bit strange

what did he say in his latest video did you guys did he say anything what did he say

in his lates one

did he just say he was just taking a break or some shit

a bunch of people in wake's chat were asking if he's okay i was confused

have you been keeping up with them vi

you got amicron

you don't answer you

he was depressed by being behind schedule

i don't know what's going on

technology

please

said he felt depressed

i called him i called him yesterday and today he didn't pick up

what i'm

he mesaged me back on the line

one of the messengers we use

a result

this

single of

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clark said if the ancient greeks had understood the capabilities of the technology they ha created then they would have

mark can come on the royale but he's got to like cae up or something i don't know

reached the moon within three hundred years and we would now be exploring the nearest stars

now tony and his team will take their theoretical model and use ancient greek techniques to build a physical model

of the mechanism

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every time

i want like a product

it's a new video game

a computer andan i phone

it's usually just

i want head

and i'm trying to fill the hole

every time i bought a new video game i was like

y i don't want this video game

i just wanted some head

know what i'm saying i always get

ah

disappointed

it's not really the thing i want

just

ost consciousness

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i don't know

i don't know

i don't know man i'm just

i don't know i'm not

want to be tied down

at this moment in time

the was certainly in the ancient world more devices

like the end

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it wasn't inun

i think the only real hope

finding

another

machine light ent toet the mechanism is from a shipwreck the hopeful thing is there are thousands of shipwrecks down there under the mediterranean some of them at very deep levels but the diving technology is advancing so much that it' is becoming possible to explore quite deep wrecks

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and

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and head is included in that

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that that history is different than what we thought that it started earer that it's developed in this incredible flourishing

sophisticated

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