UKR-RUSSIA TRUTH (EXPOSING DISINFO) / WHAT IS GOING ON IN SHANGHAI [2022-04-11] 🚀 Infrared Content Catalog

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all right what's up everybody

uh i think i'm gonna debate hogan

get that pogen guy in vc we're going to

debate that pogen guy

because he's been running his mouth on

twitter

saying a lot of [ __ ] spreading lies

and this guy you know he fashions

himself as a great debater right even

though he got [ __ ] rolled in our last

debate

thanks you fashions himself as a uh a

fine debater right

so

we're gonna get he's i think he'll come

i think he's a little desperate now you

know back in the summer when i was at a

hundred views he would ignore us but i

don't know

why is he back um

he's trying to ride a wave of clout off

of uh the dgg people

and also guys

thank you wally i want to let you guys

know something so tomorrow at 7 p.m

i'm gonna try to stream early tomorrow

i can't promise that who knows when i

wake up right but i'm i am starting to

wake up earlier than usual now like

today i woke up at

uh

like 1pm right

which is a good for me right

for me

um

so if i wake up early tomorrow i'm gonna

stream until 7pm

in which case i cannot stream anymore

but i am gonna be going on

let's just say i'll be going on

politically provoked not on twitch

um

and

i'm going to be talking i don't know if

it's a debate i think it's going to be

more of a discussion

but i'm going to be talking to someone

who is actually banned on twitch so i

can't actually stream

that discussion at all i can't even do i

can't stream on youtube period right

because uh

i've got a contract

but uh i am gonna be having a discussion

with um

someone let's just say i've never talked

to them before

uh a lot of people have wanted us to

talk for a long time

and they're also banned on twitch so

that's all the hints i can really give

you

um

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that's really all i can give you

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and the reason i'm not really saying who

it is is uh

i don't know if i'm allowed to like

promote that

name

in general on on twitch i don't know how

it works

but um

yeah we'll see how it goes

i'm looking forward to it

um

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from what i've seen he does conduct

himself with uh honor right i know the

gripers have a bad reputation just from

what i've heard

but he himself seems to like you know be

a

normal civilized person so you

know i i'm looking forward to it right

uh i don't think it's going to be a

debate it's not going to be out jones i

don't think it's going to be i we

actually about that that's a different

thing

which

i'll put put that on the back burner for

now but that's uh

it's not going to be alex jones this

time okay let's just say that but um

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uh

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but uh yeah that's what's going on

i've been thinking a little bit about

uh social media stuff

and

boxing mad okay

first of all

i i'm not boxing alex jones i'm gonna go

ahead and tell you that

in a boxing match with alex jones uh i

would lose okay that's

there's no boxing match with alex jones

that's happening anytime soon

uh anytime at all actually

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and i have to give it to alex

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that guy is wider than he's wider than

me you know he is genuinely wider than

you know

sam hyde would also win

easily in a boxing match are you kidding

sam hyde is beefed up i don't know how

he got beefed up but he is

and he's big he

definitely outweighs me by a lot

and that guy can fight and i think he's

vicious i think he's vicious enough to

actually fight

you know

i think he does have the killer instinct

in him that sam hyde guy i think he

would have it in him to

do a lot of damage in a fight

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yeah that's a dangerous guy

you know that's one of those people

where you just say [ __ ] like yeah

there's no such thing as a

a fair fight you know it's just

circa is also like that where it's like

you know i obviously could not win in a

fight with zerko but

that's why there's no such thing as a

fair fight that's all i'm saying okay

that's that's at that point you just

gotta say [ __ ] like there's no such

thing as a fair fight you know

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yeah he's been trying to fight hassan i

know that

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holy [ __ ] hogan's pussying out

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help hogan i want to debate about

marxism

tell him i'd like to debate about

marxism

tell hogan i want to debate about

marxism he doesn't want to talk about

samira khan

fine

so to be clear hogan went on twitter

and made a pretty common lie

right

where he said that samira khan got fired

from rt

because she was praising stalin for

well it's not true she was defending

stalin's record which rt has done on

multiple occasions published articles on

multiple occasions doing that

um she was not fired from rt a lot of

people think that for whatever reason i

guess you know because it's easy to go

with simplistic narratives

but she was not fired from rt she was

not fired in any and i know that for a

fact

like i

know that i'm i i i'm so confident in

that fact

i would literally bet my testicle on it

i would bet anything on it like it's

i've been shown the proof she was not

fired yeah i used to think that too she

wasn't it's just like one of those lies

that go around

that people repeat who um

you know and it's started from another

life

but uh speaking of that i kind of want

to talk a little about about

how internet images work right and i

promise it's not gonna be me complaining

it's just an observation okay

it's just an observation

but um

i didn't understand this at first when i

had less

clout on twitter

but i understand it now and it it

actually has a lot and this is how i'm

gonna interpret it

um it has a lot to do

it has a lot to do with um

i think the difference between kind of

western christian metaphysics

and islamic metaphysics

so let me explain it

i think western christian metaphysics is

dualistic

and what i mean by that is that i think

there's just an acknowledgement that

turn off the music

uh you know i was gonna i was just about

to but

i'm not gonna after you yelled at me too

like you're not in charge [ __ ] this is

my stream i was gonna

i was gonna until you tried to [ __ ]

command me

so now it's not happening

alright

but anyway what i mean by that is that

i think western um christian

metaphysics

is dualistic

and this is gonna sound really

complicated uh it's not it's actually

pretty simple

i think it there's like it's it's very

much dualistic in the sense that it's

about kind of

a very strict distinction

between the worldly and the heavenly and

then you know the

good and you know that kind of thing

it's just dualistic in general right

and as public personalities

so when it comes to

dialectic inevitable contradictions that

are

a fact of life

the way that west christian metaphysics

deals with it

is through dualism right that's my

observation

all right

so for example if you're a public figure

you

um have a certain degree of respect you

have a certain degree of like you have

an image where you're like you know you

command some respect and authority and

you're you're taken seriously and you're

a real figure and taken seriously and

whatever

and then the reason that that

is paradoxical is because on the other

hand

in addition to having this image

you're also a flawed human being right

and

there needs to be a kind of

there needs to exist an ability to

point out the flaw and just like

have a sense of knowledge in your flaw

as a material human being right you're

not just your idea you you're also

flawed as you movie so people need to

point that out right

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um

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so let me continue with what i'm saying

here um

and why i'm saying west christian

specifically is because

if you do have this threshold between

good and beyond good i'm not not simply

evil but uh

you know the the the material world the

fallen material world right

in orthodox christianity that division

is manifested in the form of the

apocalypse so in orthodoxy you don't

you don't directly try to make knowable

the real

because that would be trying to like

stretch your arm out into the threshold

sorry beyond the threshold which lies

apocalypse right but it's in western

christian metaphysics that culminates in

modernity and the enlightenment that we

want to know the real we want to make it

completely transparent to us and we want

to be able to feel like we have a

command over it we have some kind of

subjective power over it or at least

awareness and consciousness of it right

can you guys bear with me i mean i i'm

giving you guys so many gems but like 90

of you are too [ __ ] stupid to keep up

right

and now i'll shut off the music right

so

so um

so what what was tough for me is that

uh

so you we have these public

personalities

and then you have the dirty underbelly

of like what makes you a flawed human

being so whether you're a president or a

celebrity or anyone everyone is supposed

to have this shadow double which is like

you know you as a an imperfect flawed

hypocritical human being right

and it's inherently going to appear

hypocritical because on the one hand you

have an image projected of me

which is serious and has an ideological

character or whatever and then also i'm

a flawed human being

also right

you know to this day there's pedophiles

on image boards leftists who are

seething 24 7 about me and bitching and

crying and whining pointing out like

every single human

imperfection about me and saying look at

the contradiction between this and haas

and his ideological

in his theoretical look it's okay i mean

yeah there is a contradiction because

that's just an objective contradiction

no one is a is jesus christ no one's a

[ __ ] buddha okay

um

it's really stupid right but that

actually is the default

thing in the west it's just like there

is this kind of

issue it is a problem it's inherently a

problem so there's usually two

approaches for west christian

metaphysics and i'm going to divide them

in between the catholic approach and the

protestant approach okay

and i'm not taking a dig at catholicism

or protestantism i'm doing a kind of

observation of the metaphysical

significance of in this case what i

consider a mistake right or at least not

a mistake but just something that i find

trouble relating to right

uh so the first approach is the default

one which is the catholic approach which

is basically this yeah i get it we're

flawed human beings but wink wink we

just look the other way

it's not important just look the other

way still point it out and focus on it

but

we're gonna look the other way and god

god is also gonna look the other way and

you know whatever right

and

you know that's why that that's where

the accusation of hypocrisy often comes

from with catholicism is it's like

you consider this to be in contradiction

with

what it means to be a good person but

you look the other way for the sake of

the institution the church right if the

priests are diddling kids whatever

because we'll look the other way we'll

cover it up because we have to protect

the church right and that's actually how

it works for most celebrities most

public officials

uh most streamers and most anything

right it's basically like

this thing where it's like okay yeah

they're a flawed imperfect human being

but we're gonna look the other way and

that's you know hassan

[ __ ] is the perfect example of this

right hassan on the one hand

is a socialist streamer but he also

makes a ton of money he's got a three

million dollar house

and

most of his community gets that that

that's kind of a contradiction but they

just look the other way because it's not

important right the more important thing

is the the cause and the message and

whatever whatever he represents right

and

this is so here here comes the

protestant approach right the protestant

approach

and i'm willing to i'm willing to be

open to a more intelligent

observation but in my view the

protestant approach is where you become

fanatical about that contradiction and

you're kind of like wait a second no

that is hypocrisy that is a

contradiction we're not going to just

let that [ __ ] slide like you need to

you know and and that's where a lot

that's where the crazies kind of are

coming from right where it's like the

internet trolls like the [ __ ] the

riddler from batman was like

a liar

and that you know like you know that

whole thing like you're a liar you're a

fraud you're a phony you know that um

that guy who killed john lennon you know

the guy who killed john lennon and

killed him because john lennon is a

phony right that's what i'm talking

about i'm talk that's the protestant

approach in my view right

so

and uh and it's a spectrum it's a

spectrum there's different kind of like

ways

so sometimes that could take the form of

an internet troll getting you know butt

hurt and ass mad and becoming an

obsessive stalker it could be in the

form of like you know leaving comments

or you know it's just a spectrum right

um

so to me that is the primary

metaphysical orientation in the west

from west christianity is this kind of

dualism right

the problem is that i think maybe this

was the issue i was coming from a more

islamic perspective where

um

when you point out a flaw of mine right

the reason i i often would not look the

other way and i would like i would get

really combative and i would address

every single criticism no matter how

small or trivial or stupid like it could

be about my appearance it could be about

and you know it wasn't really because it

it it bothered me emotionally in terms

of my ego whatever right

um

to be honest if i'm gonna be honest with

you streaming has been very flattering

uh as for as far as like my

sense of like personal appearance and

all that and i used to be a very average

guy you know in my mind

uh but i was also isolated for a long

time to be fair

but um

based

the emirio has it exactly correct the

reason i would address every single

criticism and it would bother me it

would provoke a response out of me is

because

in the islamic perspective we are not

dualistic we are not dualistic um

and while we do recognize that

contradiction we don't consider it a

fundamental metaphysical contradiction

we consider

the obsessiveness over private details

and human flaws to be a misunderstanding

of the nature of divinity and the nature

of good

the islamic conception of good includes

the fact

that humans are flawed and that humans

are worldly and that humans are material

we don't obsess over the contradiction

between heaven and earth

because

the object of islamic metaphysics is a

combination of heaven and earth which is

like water right water has like central

importance in islam for this reason

so to me and this is just coming from my

islamic perspective

when

someone is pointing out a flaw of mine

or is attacking me for some kind of

reason or is saying you know trying to

make my image smear my image

i'm not responding to that because i i

consider my image to be divine and and

full of um

perfect and completely perfect it's that

in islamic culture when you point out

someone's private being

you're not just saying that that person

is also an imperfect human or that's a

given right you're also saying that they

have done something wrong

to the point where it deserves to be

shamed publicly right so like in the

islamic perspective if if someone calls

you out publicly like oh hey you you

know you beat up a homeless person

that that makes sense because you did

something

that crosses the line to the point where

you deserve to be shamed over this you

did something wrong

but other than that you know the islamic

approach to public images is basically

like

we all know that you know you go take

shits on the toilet and you have to wipe

your ass and it's really unpleasant but

we don't bring that to the forward we

don't like we don't make that explicit

or make that public because

we have an understanding that that's a

it's a given that we're not gods it's a

given that we're imperfect human beings

like there's no need to even point that

out right um so like in my view if there

was like an in an islamic celebrity

culture

that was uniquely islamic it would kind

of be like we don't see celebrities as

these divine beings

so we don't need to point out their

flaws in the first place in order to

like elevate them to the status of

celebrities because that's a given right

um there's it's it's just really stupid

to point out the private side because we

all do have a private side

um and it's not just that we all have a

private life it's also the fact that

it's i think i'm gonna be honest this is

just my opinion and

i co-exist with other religions i'm not

saying you're wrong i'm just saying it's

my perspective in my opinion i think the

west christian metaphysics comes from a

fundamentally wrong view of

the nature of good i think

for them

the fact that we are worldly imperfect

human beings is somehow something we

should be ashamed of or something we

should that somehow poses a threat

challenges or undermines our ability

to be

good people right or holy people or

spiritual people i just fundamentally

reject that view i think it's completely

mistaken

and wrong view um

i i think that uh

that's just

and guys by the way and this goes

without saying i may be wrong about my

broad generalization of west

christianity

i'm just talking about the broad

cultural trend i've been seeing on the

internet which has you know confused me

for a long time

but

in the past month or so you know i've

started to kind of understand that

so so the islamic view right is kind of

a view of a flat

flat surface where

you know yes i'm going to respond to

every flaw and criticism because

it's just every we're all equal on the

surface so if like a random one follower

account is attacking me

it's a problem right

and now i understand that this has

caused a misunderstanding and which is

it's a it's a it means something else

to people

living in the west which with the people

i'm interacting

uh

and now i'm taking note of that that's

not what they're seeing what they're

seeing is me

validating

the um

the ugly dirty side of things right if

you go like on will smith let's say it's

a celebrity like uh

you know um

who's the [ __ ] celebrity i [ __ ] i

don't even know

let's say you have um

uh

it's this hard for me to come up with a

[ __ ] name of a celebrity i can't

believe this let's say you have

aria let's do it a man let's do a man

let's say it's uh

yeah christian bale sure christian bill

christian bale's got a twitter

and

christian bales got a twitter and um

or tom holland's got a tour let's do

that one it's more realistic he's got a

twitter

and someone responds and replies to his

twitter saying oh tom and they just say

some bad thing about him and then tom

holland responds

all of a sudden the message he's giving

for the western audiences

is that he's validated

it because we are supposed to look away

and just ignore

when people talk about our dirty

underbelly of who we are as human beings

um

and people won't

uh attach too much importance or gravity

to the the dirty thing that they're

pointing out

uh because they just understand that yes

of course this person's not perfect and

all that person is doing is pointing out

their imperfections so if tom holland

was responding to every small criticism

of him right or any other celebrity was

responding to every small criticism of

him

then what they would effectively be

doing

is

giving more gravity and weight to it

than it otherwise would have

so me i've always thought of this that i

must be doing something wrong or i made

a mistake to be getting these negative

responses

but i understand now that

it is a need it's a metaphysical need

for the western audiences

to throw dirty [ __ ] on you

in order to just confirm the fact that

you're not a god and you're just like an

imperfect flawed human being and to me

that has always that was a cultural

misunderstanding i didn't

quite understand

right

uh

you know um

and that's why people are always saying

you're so insecure

and the reason is because they probably

assume that i am trying to give the

message that i am devoid of flaws and

i'm a perfect human being

because i will not tolerate this dissent

and criticism what i didn't understand

is that there is a psychological need

for

internet users living in the west

to point out

the underbelly of who you what your

public image is

and that again that underbelly is not

going to have a lot of weight or gravity

to it

unless

it is um

it is ascribed with moral significance

and the only way to ascribe it with

moral significance is if the creator in

question the celebrity in question

interacts with it which is what i've

been [ __ ] doing

and

if um

if someone who has some clout

makes it a moral issue and says this

person has done something wrong right

it's not simply a matter of of making

fun making fun of it

um

and usually uh

usually when a creator embarrasses

themselves a celebrity embarrasses

themself

without someone else uh casting them in

a negative light

it's usually because they were like

trying they were uh

showing too much subjectivity sowing too

much

care and uh investment like that mike

from pa guy when he was touching bad

bunny or when he was uh

punching the couch

he was validating the cringe we were

experiencing by manifesting it himself

physically

so that's an example of that right

um

but i definitely uh

understand how it works now i think i

think i i'm starting to get a hang and

understanding

a lot of people like hoz you're so

stupid you never understood how this

works and i was just like yeah because i

never understood why people find it

necessary

to have negativity unless

you did something morally wrong but now

i understand that western

subjects

many of them have a psychological need

to

just point out negativity for

negativity's sake in order to maintain a

dualism and what really got me going

thinking about this was when i saw that

twitter post of that guy who was like i

make more money than you in a month than

you do in a year and i [ __ ] girls you'll

never be able to even talk to in your

whole life

and he was right i mean all he was doing

was just putting out some positivity

which was right i mean he was like

correct right but twitter still found it

necessary to check him

and bring him down a notch because he

was violating that kind of metaphysical

dualism which is the foundation of uh

west the christian west right you need

to have that balance you can't just have

a positive image it needs to be brought

down a notch

and debased

i think in islamic or russian social

media you have people do that [ __ ] all

the time and i don't think it's it's

common in those cultures to debase right

if someone posted that in um

you know if someone posts how successful

they are and [ __ ]

in russia or in a middle eastern country

or whatever they use or in india india

is also a good example they're usually

just gonna get positive engagement

you're not gonna have these like

you know

snide comments like oh i'm gonna bring

you down a notch no those people

those people don't feel the need to

impose negativity in order to maintain a

balance

right

i don't understand how internet loonies

criticizing celebs and creators any

doing western christianity

it doesn't i don't i ultimately don't

think that i think it's degenerate

behavior

which is ultimately not

compatible with west to west christian

view totally

but

it's an example of

how degeneracy manifests itself so for

example in islamic countries there's

degeneracy but it manifests itself in a

different way than in west christian

countries it's not that one is better

than the other it's just there's

differences in how things work and

how things have meaning right and i'm

kind of

it's it's more a dugan approach of like

it's not that one is better than the

other it's just these are different

sites of meaning there's a different

polarities where different things mean

different things right

um

what do you think about the concept of

the flex yeah

isn't i [ __ ] girls you never talk to

like a direct insult to the reader

um

well this is something i had to learn

also which is that

i didn't know the reader

is unconditional

if it doesn't apply to you then it

doesn't apply to you right when i would

make tweets like i made a tweet for

example like all my haters

are ugly [ __ ] right

and to me it's like well if you have a

problem with this tweet you're giving

yourself away as a hater you know what

i'm saying

if it applies to you it applies to you

right

it's boasting

nah i think i don't know if it's

boasting right because

well i mean it kind of is but

all they're doing is sharing their

success i don't know why people have to

knock that down well i do know why they

have to

i'm just sharing with you my thoughts on

it my observation

then this wouldn't be the positivity

putting up on the world the norm

position being warren what

vladimir putin is good no actually it

wouldn't be to ignore now i could that

nefarious you have just

explained to me why the the west

christian view to me

that's exactly what i'm talking about

you either have to it's either nothing

or it's a problem it's either nothing or

it's a problem

but there's also such a thing as

inspiration there's also such a thing as

um

grace

and and uh gratefulness and there's also

such a thing as genuine admiration

not envious admiration but just like hey

good for you you know there's such a

thing as like um

something that is being put out in the

world that's positivity that people just

see as a net good like a lot of people

are like

i don't get it how in these third world

countries when people are posting how

they're on yachts

and how they're like

having all of this um

this flourishing in their life why are

all these poor people

liking it and and retweeting it and the

the reason is because they genuinely

appreciate the fact that this even

exists they're grateful that such nice

things even exist on earth in the first

place it's the same reason when people

post pictures of nature

and you know people like wow nature's so

beautiful like it's the same thing you

know it's that same thick it it

it's a it's it's a it's a positive post

but you don't have to respond to it with

negativity you could also respond to it

with um you know

some kind of admiration

it needs to be sort of like a weak type

of positivity like posting cats no no

the cat posting is not what i'm talking

about okay the cat posting whatever the

[ __ ] you're talking about is like oh

this is so wholesome and what does it

mean for something to be wholesome it

means it has to fulfill you and satisfy

you somehow in some subjective way it

has to fulfill and satisfy you but just

posting positivity doesn't necessarily

have to satisfy you it doesn't have to

like um

be wholesome it could just be something

you genuinely you know look at and

you're like good for them you know and

you keep it moving but good for them you

know

i think this is really a big difference

i have

and i i can't agree

with the view of most people on uh

the internet

but i am aware of it now and i

understand

uh i'm i have to be conscious of it i

can't just assume everyone is on the

same page as me right

uh which i'm gonna i'm just keep going

going forward i'll like you know keep in

mind

yeah the western view emphasizes

different things

um

and to be fair i don't know if this is

true for

i

probably it's not just because of the

culture i came from

it's also because quite pretty

consciously like through philosophy and

all this intellectual [ __ ] i've been

doing and whatever this spiritual

journey whatever the [ __ ] you want to

call it i genuinely came to adopt a

perspective

that is um

different

from

the prevailing view right uh that is

actually more in line in my view with

prevailing islamic

or eastern view of things right

so

i i do not respect any feeling of envy i

don't respect feelings of envy i don't

respect people who um

think i don't respect envy at all just

period point big period i do not respect

any form of envy

envy is the weakest and ugliest emotion

a human being can have

it is the most ugly disgusting emotion

any human being can have

period

um i would rather die than be envious of

anyone you know and anytime by the way i

don't know some people have disabilities

and there's nothing wrong with those

disabilities but it's a lot of people

who happen to be on this side of the

internet

and when i say [ __ ] like oh i'm so

jealous of that person they're like

who's you said you're jewish well your

problem is you're taking it literally

right i don't actually mean i'm jealous

i'm trying to

say

you know good for them it's just a way a

different way of saying good for them

right

but uh i genuinely think envy is the

most disgusting ugly thing

it's the most disgusting ugly emotion

humans human beings can have

is it really right to classify all

non-western views as eastern no it's not

uh well it is because the west is the

exception that's why they all those

different cultures are very different

but

they all have in common a lack of

dualistic neuroticism they all have in

common a lack of like

you know

kind of um

it's just sense that like you know the

world is closing in on us and we have to

defend the border at all costs and that

you know if the borderlands like that

kind of thing right that we're always

being besieged by the horde and it's you

know it's it's

always being brought to the edge of

apocalypse

and i think that's a kind of um

perspective i don't underst i don't i

don't think i'm gonna be able to

start some kind of like aesthetic

religious revolution

that's gonna just change how people

behave

so i'm just gonna adjust to it you know

i can't really change

something so that people find so [ __ ]

uh fundamental

envy can drive admiration no it can't

envy doesn't drive admiration envy

drives obsess i i honestly look

i think people who have envious feelings

should be in jail that's what i think i

think those are scum

and their evil scumbags you know

if i ever

consider someone better than me

i look at them as a model and i aspire

to in the best possible way be like them

if they're g if i do consider them

better than me

i aspire to somehow be that and if i

cannot be that then i don't

want that

does that make sense i don't want what i

can't have

i genuinely do not want what i cannot

have

it doesn't make sense to want what you

cannot have

and honestly whenever people have things

that i do want

but i cannot have

though they're all there it's always a

positive not the negative like for

example whenever i see a very intact

hairline and a very good hairline

i'm always like mashallah at least that

exists

at least it's

you know at least somewhere that is like

you know what i mean that's my [ __ ]

mentality

um

and obviously i'm gonna get a transplant

so i'm gonna be that because i do it i

do think that looks the best in my view

just in my uh opinion i don't know if it

would look the best on me though because

the way my head is shaped

but um

you know

everyone i've ever looked up to i do

resemble not fully but i have aspects

and features of them

everyone i've ever looked up to i have

some features of them right i've never

looked up to or wanted to have

and it's always a mystery you know it's

always a misunderstanding right like for

example let's say i this always happens

with fat people this always happens with

fat people it always happens with them

okay

with fat people who are envious they go

i'm so envious of that skinny guy or

that fit guy i'm so envious

and then you tell the fat guy say hey do

you know how his cardiovascular system

is do you know what his diet is do you

know how what his lifestyle is

and then all of a sudden when you when

you show them what it actually feels

like to be that person

they just sit back on the couch and they

go oh whatever

and they eat their chips you don't want

to be that guy you're happy doing what

you're doing sitting on the couch and

eating chips

if you genuinely

wanted to be like that person you have

envy for

you would change your whole lifestyle

but you don't want to do that because it

doesn't make you feel good and if it

doesn't make you feel good how could you

know what it's like to be that person

you know what i mean

or it's like people with me when it

comes to muscles or whatever it's like

okay

here this is what i do this is how i

live my life this is what i do at the

gym this is how i eat this is how i

train and like ah it's not worth it and

i said okay well you look like how you

deserve you know you look like how you

deserve and then when people are envious

of how people's faces look you say okay

that's what their face looks like let me

tell you what type of personality this

person has who they are what they

believe what their aesthetic is how much

beauty they're able to appreciate

and

then they're like oh and then they have

an ugly personality and then what do you

know they have an ugly face

it's like you're happy with your ugly

world view you are happy with your ugly

corrupt view of the world

and you want to have a beautiful face

you know

and i literally think that people who

are able to appreciate the most beauty

in the world

look that way

right

i i don't care what you tell me i don't

if science tries to contradict me

science is wrong i don't give a [ __ ]

if you

can appreciate a true aesthetic of

beauty

it will show it will shine on you

period

you know

period

so um

oh also that's also when you get when

you understand this politically and you

get into the political aspect of what

i'm saying

it's got to be one of the most ugly

like pathetic things in the [ __ ]

world

for leftist politics to be based in envy

you know it's never based in the working

class

the more envy you have the more you're a

[ __ ] loser you're you came from the

middle class or the ruling class or the

petty bourgeoisie you're just this

[ __ ] bitter loser you know and it

never comes from the working class or

from the peasants it always comes from

these [ __ ] corrupted urban people who

are just like you know yeah they may

have gotten the short end of the stick

being losers but you're going to tell me

that that's you're going to lead along

the you know

you know marx was a guy who was a he was

a winner

came from a successful family had a

successful future out of him was

absolutely brilliant could have done

anything they wanted in the whole

[ __ ] world

and decided to fight for the working

class

not an ounce of an envy in that man for

anyone angles

inherited a [ __ ] factory so it was

the same thing for frederick angles

lennon if you didn't know this

when he was in his school

he was at the top of his class he

outclassed everyone

he got dismissed from his university

he was fighting for the working class

and he was engaging in revolutionary

activity

so in every and mao it's the same story

so in every single case where you have

communist figures

these are people

who are winners and who are successful

people

who didn't have any envy or resentment

in them whatsoever

who decided to fight for the work same

thing look at che guevara look at fidel

no envy no resentment none of that and

they decided to fight for the working

class

and meanwhile these malformed ugly

corrupt pieces of [ __ ]

they're never they will never be world

historical leaders those are the people

that become hitler

or something at most the most power they

could ever get is becoming a hitler and

eventually meeting a hitler's end right

but those people

will never ever

you know leave a a a good mark on

history

you know

so when i say envy's the root of all it

is and it's especially dangerous when it

comes to this leftist politics [ __ ]

because it's so easy to be envious of

the rich i am not envious of the rich

i feel like i'm one of those people i

don't know [ __ ] with you so you can

laugh at me all you [ __ ] want

you can laugh at me all you want but um

i genuinely think i'm one of those

people who

sets trends and the rich follow me i

send a trend and they you know they want

to read my books they want to look at my

works of art

they want to um they're behind me you

know and if they're not then i'll learn

from them

but that's that's my mentor that's how

i've always seen things right i've never

had envy

for you know i i don't i don't

i've been around those people i know

that life i know those people it's just

not you know

that's not where the object is that's

the aftermath that's not where the

object is right i'd rather be homeless

than have to be in that insulated

networking whatever that you know i pity

those people i pity those people

i pity those people

i believe jesus said they're going to

hell why would you envy that

if they're going to hell you should pity

them

but you shouldn't have envy

you know i'll give you an example of

this you want to know how many of these

rich people are talking about crypto and

blockchain in 2022

hey

back in 2016 i was doing that

and i left it behind

i was doing that in 2016

and i was theorizing all of the

implications it was and everything and i

was there right i was there

there there

and the so-called the rich who i'm

supposed to hate because i envy you know

they

they weren't there i didn't you know

yeah i was watching nick land's classes

you know that he was doing for uh

exclusive class uh videos he was doing i

was he he did a whole class on the

blockchain i was i watched that

he did an entire class on the blockchain

in 2017 2016.

i don't i remember the exact date but i

watched that okay

anyway

is hogan gonna [ __ ] out

today

is pogen bitching out

did he really [ __ ] out

what a literal [ __ ]

so he actually puts it out

so he's not debating he puts it out

did you guys tell him it's it's about

marxism

because it is

i want to debate him about marxism

oh i'm gonna blow my nose

i don't even get a [ __ ] fork

hey leon

hey [ __ ] you

all right

let me see is pogan not going to debate

let me see

hogan do i have him as a friend

nope he removed me as a friend

and he also appears to have left the

discord

he apparently also left the discord

so he's actually running away

huh

we ran away

yeah

so samira um

samira replied right here

to get him to come

he said debate has on marxism getting vc

yeah

i don't know why he's running away

huh

all right so we we have a we have a host

of things

a real host of things actually

all right so yeah this is actually kind

of relevant because

there was something that was said

that a lot of people destiny saying oh

yeah

it's only 2000 did you know your infra 8

sun gorilla according to this graphic

from reuters which was from 2020

actually 40 percent of ukraine's armed

forces 102 000 fighters were

paramilitary

and you can pretty easily infer that

means they're the far right

or they're mercenaries

how many people become paramilitary

soldiers that don't harbor extreme

nationalist views

i doubt very many if you had to ask me

i doubt i mean as of and the other ones

those are just the groups

that are explicit

neo-nazis ex like the hitler swastika

ones

right

102 000 other fighters

are paramilitary so i wonder how many of

those are nazis

there are allegations of a chemical

attack and we're going to cover it

we're going to cover those allegations

and there's a new thing going on

which is that there's new lockdowns in

shanghai

and there's also been a lot of fake news

and [ __ ] being spread about what's

going on in shanghai so we're also going

to cover that today as well

we have a lot on our itinerary and on

our agenda

as a matter of fact

those same neo-nazis are fighting on the

russian side

no they're not

those same no they're not first of all

russia cracked down hard on neo-nazism

in like 2011

so you can't be openly a [ __ ] nazi

first of all

so if there's nazis on the russian side

they have to conceal

or downplay their background

you don't get people wearing swastikas

that have flags with swastikas and [ __ ]

like on the ukrainian side

you want to understand the essence of

national identity

um

i'll just sum it up for you

a nation is the dialectic

opposite

of a state we have a modern state

the modern state also has a nation

that's literally what a nation is a

nation is the shadow of a modern state

it's the material

basis of a modern state that's what a

nation is

simple

i will define a nation very simply for

you the material basis of a modern state

so a modern state let me explain it like

this a modern state

and um

decides

that there's a community in a on a

formal level where we're all citizens of

the community

and

you know we have

these laws and we're we're part we're

under the the rule of this state and

that that's where we're part of this

state right and then but that's kind of

just

formal right what about in terms of the

real content of that well that's the

nation

simple as that

the nation is things that are not

legislated by the state like the common

language the common moors the common

customs the common traditions

the common you know

ways and character and things that

that's what a nation is right that's

what i mean by dialectic opposite

and that's why america it's very tough

to have a national question for america

because yeah there isn't a single nation

you're right

i love how people try to say that the

the nazis and ukraine's armed forces

are marginal

when 40 percent of ukraine's armed

forces are

paramilitary

which can easily be inferred to mean

substantively far right

it's pretty [ __ ] crazy

mr mayor why'd you live in our time

why'd you cut our time down

you don't have anything to say

why'd you cut our time down

why did you cut

the connection between paramilitary and

far right

what do you mean you know what para

military means

a paramilitary is the extra state

military actors we're not part of the uh

the official army

so they're part of like political

organizations and all that [ __ ] well who

do you think that is

why did you cut our time down

you don't have anything to say

why'd you cut our time down

why did you cut our time down

is do you have an explanation are you

just a coward they're allowed to do that

they're another knot

hold on let me check this out

let me show you guys this this is crazy

mister

hey why'd you live in our time

why did you cut our time down

you don't have anything to say

why'd you cut our time down

is do you have an explanation are you

just a coward they're allowed to do that

they're no they're not that's the first

amendment all the time these are real

issues

these are real how do you feel about

hassan saying putin is increasing the

amount of nazis and he was sympathetic

to them in ukraine and due to the

conflict it's stupid the reason that's

stupid is because

nazis don't need

an excuse they grow in power

because of the

um the i can't call it a

a bad word

that trump called some countries

but ukraine is not a very good place to

live in and that's not because of russia

it's because it is economically

mismanaged it is in debt to the world

bank and the imf

and to the west and to private

corporations i mean private sorry not

corporations private uh

companies

and that's really where the nazi thing

comes from not russia okay so that nazi

problem it was getting out of uh but

give an example right

zelinski tried to have peace

negotiations with russia back in 2018

2019 and he was he was threatened by

these neo-nazi paramilitary people right

they said no we're not going to have

peace with russia so it's like that's

the kind of issue you're dealing with

and the situation kept getting worse and

worse and worse as the years went on

because of the conflict in the donbass

so what hassan is saying where he's like

blaming putin oh putin you're making the

neo-nazi problem much worse you're wrong

hassan because this situation in ukraine

was already a mess

that by itself was able to generate uh

exponentially increase the power of the

neo-nazis right

it's like a cancer it's like it's it's a

cancer that's like growing on its own

you know and it's like blaming the

doctors for trying to get rid of the

cancer which was this neo-nazi problem

that's the russian perspective at least

right the russians went into ukraine to

stop the tumor from

growing know what if they just didn't do

anything it's not like you know it would

have [ __ ] went away

no but they can't be doing that that's

the first no no

no these are real issues going on in the

world you're telling me they don't want

lgbtq

no they don't want lgbtq

black lives matter no now that i think

of it though

hassan kind of

is also very sensitive to criticism

in the same way that i am

i feel like i handle it better

but um

he tries to concede so much to the

western culture where he's like okay

fine yeah i'll accept all this criticism

but then he just has this threshold

where it's like even when he concedes

everything to them they still

pound him

and he just actually explodes in anger

and i have that same thing

and i think it actually stemmed from the

fact that we come

from different we come from uh

a similar culture right

but these are if not the same one real

issues these are real issues you're

telling me they're not pushing this in

the army watch their that's the last

army commercial

like what gets us is not the small

things it's when you concede

and you're like fine

whatever

i'll look the other whatever i get it

i'll you you'd be so charitable right

and then even after you're so charitable

you do all the things right

they still keep at it

and that's what brings us over the

tipping edge

it's not criticism

it's how even despite how charitable we

are

you still take more and more

and it's like what [ __ ] it's like

what the [ __ ] do you want at what point

right

but we have that issue

um

because

we don't know that we don't know what's

going on we don't know the fact that

what they're doing is like the more we

try to defend ourselves the more they're

gonna throw a shadow opposite of

critique at us

and the reason for that is because um

they're trying to keep us in check you

know they're trying to have that balance

there can't you can't have someone be

too positive

if you want to understand this guys

look at turkish

or middle eastern soap operas okay

or movies or whatever

they are very direct

one-sidedly positive whatever right or

very dramatic whatever right

we don't do this thing where we like

have this

self-awareness that's meant to keep us

in check like you know how in marvel

movies they're like huh like where they

like say like a line like i'm spider-man

that sounded better in my head

in a turkish movie or a middle eastern

turkey is like the center of media for

like most of the middle east that's why

i'm saying turkish at turkish movie

you're going to have spiderman i am a

spiderman and then they're not going to

have any irony or self-awareness right

because it's like just there right

it's like do i have to point out the

fact that i go take shits

in between the scene no i don't we all

know that that's not why we were here

right

but in western movies they're like i'm

spider-man also i just took a [ __ ] and

you have to point out explicitly

the mirror opposite of the image and you

have to always subvert the thing on the

surface

you always have to subvert the surface

right so westerners are anal well that's

kind of the neurotic thing it's where it

comes from

well it's one in the same with it right

watch the last army commercial different

commercials you're an actor who wants

the last army

yeah in western movies the evil guy will

be forgiven by the good guy because

they're ultimately like hey it's a

balance it's metaphysical dualism but in

the islamic world

everything's supposed to be oneness

right you want to destroy

and wipe out evil you don't want to

tolerate evil so when the bat in the in

the islamic world when it comes to those

movies the bad guy is wiped out there's

no forgiveness or redemption for them

they're wiped out they should not exist

they should never have been born they

are an affront to nature itself and they

should not even breathe right

that's the view right islamic batman

does kill people okay the islamic batman

he literally kills the joker that's how

it is they don't have this thing where

it's like i can't kill you joker because

we need each other like no the islamic

batman would literally [ __ ] rip the

joker's heart out and eat it okay

well they wouldn't do that because

that's satanic but you get the idea

right

yeah that's the other thing

islamic batman is raz al ghul because

that is how raz al ghul is or like

bane from that movie or raz al-ghu

because that's how he is and that's

where batman disagrees with him but rasa

ghoul's right you know razda ghoul says

gotham is corrupt so gotham must go

batman says

no i want to beat up homeless people

every day even though i rely on that

same corruption for my identity and

fulfillment you know

razakul cuts the chase he goes listen

batman you got such an issue with gotham

let's take care of the problem you know

but apparently roswell google is a bad

guy for that you know

and then batman goes no we need it's

it's it's like a metaphysical religious

difference

it's a religious metaphysical uh

difference

yeah that's actually true janna

it's yeah islamic gotham would be hit by

a meteor or

raza ghul would be the good guy who

literally wipes it off the face of the

earth

doesn't matter yeah also why does no one

point out

that's a good point to me no one points

out batman's a pedo who groomed robin

i've never seen anyone interpret it like

that but it's true

so true i'm speaking on real issues i'm

speaking on real issues it doesn't

matter

the army is woke and i'm exposing that

just like you guys

and you're a coward sir

it doesn't matter he's already indicted

iranian batman would save the city and

then die in the last scene

kind of true actually

it doesn't matter these are he's trying

they canceled him for a while because of

the pederasty i didn't know that i'm

gonna say that these aren't real issues

i'm talking about he's been indicted

they're not pushing uh gay gay okay okay

we can't

can't

we can't uh watch that video any longer

look at this guys this is the this this

[ __ ] the the joke writes itself look

at this [ __ ] headline

guys check this headline out it's act

the joke writes itself check this out

check this out

syrian white helmets offer ukrainians

tips on recording war crimes

that's actually real

and it's actually real oh i'm gonna make

a tweet i'll make a tweet

i'm gonna make a tweet

because this is just too good okay this

is just too good

this is just too good

no [ __ ] way

i i can't believe that's that explicit i

can't [ __ ] believe that

i literally can't believe that

hogan said he's not gonna um

he's not gonna okay i'm gonna just tell

him this

i'm gonna tell him this

running errands for haas again i'm not

baiting it okay i'm gonna say

i want to debate you about

whether your views are compatible with

marxism

and

about

this contention

i

your views

on

your understanding of marx's views are

very poor

are very poor

do you think

you have a grasp on marx's views

if so

debate what exactly they are

if you can

or

alternatively we can debate about

socialism

debate about socialism

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your understanding and definition of

socialism is faulty

is wrong

and incompatible with the one not only

held by

all

marx himself

but

um

but the majority

of socialists

in the 19th and early 20th century

yeah i think that's that's all i really

need

it's like this will be the easiest

debate ever

it'll be the easiest debate in the world

see does he respond

get a moderator and a neutral pad

platform

why are you so scared

if you agree to not interrupt i won't

either

and if you don't raise your voice i

won't either

simple

he's being a [ __ ] and i know he's doing

this

he wants all these terms and conditions

because he's a [ __ ] right

that should be that's like so generous

and charitable right

that's really generous and really

charitable i don't know why anyone would

reject

these pretty easy terms for a debate

did you already recommend the last

debate yes i did

based

son gorilla

thank you mu

uh

emila

debate me college the [ __ ] says that

college rules

see is he that scared

is he that scared

why is he so [ __ ] scared

excuse me i think we should follow the

college rules

when we tried that the last time you

survied me twice mid-sentence you were

molding about this analogy exposed

either you can choice some of the baby

rules and i'm a mod

or you can't i just want to scream

reviews again choose one

there is no reason

reason the debate shouldn't happen right

now

unless you're scared

if you don't want me to mute you we can

have it in a call rather than in my

discord pc

simple

that's pretty [ __ ] simple to me

no he said he's he's going to say pistol

is not neutral

up and he wants me to hit up modern day

debate

who i don't i'm not even talk to those

people anymore

i don't even talk to those [ __ ]

people anymore

modern day debate what

why is he such a [ __ ]

he's so scared to debate me

he's literally so scared

he's so [ __ ] scared

if he stops when when have first of all

you the burden of you is to prove i'm

wrong

go watch the debate and look at how many

opportunities i gave him to address why

he was wrong all he was doing was

repeating the same arguments i had

already addressed

over and over again

get a neutral moderator

and i'm happy to talk to you for however

long your heart desires

literal [ __ ]

that's like that simple i don't know

what else to [ __ ] say

i don't know what else to say

get a neutral moderator and i'm happy to

talk

thank you so much nobuna appreciate you

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thank you so much no i appreciate you

thank you so much

i can't believe this guy's so scared to

[ __ ] debate

i though who the [ __ ] is a neutral

moderator

dude is actually a [ __ ] they can't even

defend their honor

just gonna sit on the [ __ ] internet

keep talking [ __ ]

that's unreal that's literally unreal

that's actually unreal

politically provoked uh what is she

doing right now is she live

she's not live

also i don't know if she streams on

twitch

still does she

permission

we're gonna get into the chemical um

bomb allegations very soon

yeah let me say uh define

neutrality

hogan define what

constitutes neutrality

and

how it can be demonstrated in a proposed

moderator

there you go yeah i'm gonna do that

i'm gonna do that same [ __ ] he does

same [ __ ]

debate sophistry he does yeah that

alacrity [ __ ]

kw

thank you vary appreciate it

care to define what a neutral

moderator is

and how

it can be dem how their

proposed moderators

neutrality can

can be demonstrated

also why does the format need to be

structured

don't you have adequate knowledge of

marxism and or socialism off the top of

your head

yeah i'm gonna tell them to define

structure

resident sunday and mdd are both good

platforms

the

president sunday

the swamp creature is not a neutral

stream

moderator whatsoever or in any capacity

at all

doesn't give

a [ __ ] about a

megalo like you

so that's also off the table

president

dino sunday

still maul

cries about me to this day

oh [ __ ]

there you go

uh

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no they should debate me now there's no

stop shifting the [ __ ] goalposts

there's no reason they shouldn't debate

me right [ __ ] now

if they claim to be walking around

claiming to be this knowledgeable person

and good debater when they're called out

on the spot and they're not busy they

should be able to be up for the task

because i could do the same [ __ ]

thing okay

if i went around claiming to profess the

level of knowledge and grasp of things

that pogan does

then i i can't just make an excuse when

i'm called out

if your

personality exists

in order to spread knowledge and

demonstrate how good of a

handle you have over these things

you should be able to [ __ ] debate

about them if you're this debate bro

lord guy whatever should do it on the

[ __ ] spot

you know

it's not like i'm asking him to box

remember ask him to box i'm asking him

to defend

the entire basis of his [ __ ]

online stature

right

i've debated on mdd twice before you

goofball

i have completely

cut off all relations with them

anyway

stop making excuses and just

debate

why the [ __ ] are you so scared i thought

you were such

claimed

to be such a great debater and

knowledgeable

what a [ __ ]

what a literal [ __ ]

just debate me

he's scared

let me show you the picture he posted he

posted this picture where

he posted this photo

where he like defeated me and everyone

in the debate

and now he's coming for jimmy dore like

this is the photo he posted

this is the [ __ ] photo he posted look

at this

he posted this photo where he oh what a

tough guy

then i said how can you expect to face

jimmy

when you got so easily destroyed by me

you know

no he didn't even debate jackson he just

made a [ __ ] video essay about him

when did he debate fellow traveler

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why not just stop being a [ __ ] and

debate

i think that's pretty reasonable

you ever notice this is how it works

every it doesn't have to be a debate

when anyone whenever someone just

challenges me to anything i'm just like

okay let's do it and then i have to be

under my terms and conditions remember

that [ __ ] dylan burns guy

we were debating about taiwan he starts

talking about boxing and i'm like okay

why don't we go outside then oh no are

you threatening me like [ __ ] jesus

[ __ ] christ

someone i don't know is this another

cultural difference i don't get where

it's like

no just do it don't [ __ ] make excuses

and

you know what i mean

what is up with that

yeah or destiny same [ __ ]

just [ __ ] do it

if you're what if it's

if it's worth it to talk about it you

should do it right that's just my ma

that's

that's my philosophy if it's worth it to

talk about something just do it

because the fairest way for us the

genuine be through a formerly structured

no

you just

defend your views without

someone holding your hand

wow

just debate

why

are you so scared

look at this dude he he'll write these

paragraphs

i love how you will write paragraphs and

essays but not debate

it's like what the [ __ ]

he's literally like writing paragraphs

and doing all this extra [ __ ]

and it's like okay can't you just debate

about this

the [ __ ]

yeah it's not hard

i'm offering to debate you just don't

like moderators because you're psychotic

you're

you're just making excuses

literally just debate

literally

you did this the last time before too

just debate and be a man for once in

your life

it's that simple

be a man for once in your [ __ ] life

no it's samir he's not that stupid i

can't just

yeah at least get in my vc

and debate about the conditions of

debate stop being a keyboard warrior why

don't you defend yourself

to the masses

you know defend yourself to the masses

it's because i'm not at 1k viewers

anymore

when i was at 1k he would get in

willingly right

now

you know i'm at what 600 i don't know

he uh he's gonna [ __ ] you know he's

he's like uh i don't know this is

economical

i don't know i'm not gonna i don't know

i don't know i don't understand honestly

isn't it pogen if you get in our views

will climb my views will climb to like

200 like

800.

don't worry the views aren't a problem

pogen

why is he such a [ __ ] i don't get it

damn

hogan is genuinely humiliated

i kind of want a ps5 just to look at it

and i just i'll just watch netflix on it

but i just want the controller

and the console i just i love how it

looks

[ __ ] i forgot about that [ __ ] you

guys did you know that our my entire

aesthetic was ps5 based

[ __ ]

stop whining about this [ __ ] and tell

me why putin hasn't taken ukraine yet

okay

first of all

sit your ass down

and chill okay

chill i'll tell i'll actually tell you

that

i'll tell you that

so in order to understand what's going

on you're gonna have to put your [ __ ]

thinking cap on a little bit

and i'll explain it to you but you gotta

put your thinking cap on a little bit

because it's not gonna be an easy answer

okay

you're not the arbiter of anything has

you had an opportunity to gently debate

me on issues you proposed

okay

so you're scared

sad

i guess my famous song about you was on

the nose

but we all already slow and steady wins

the race

and then what's the song

let me find the song

on youtube

[ __ ] i don't have a song okay well

someone else can post it whatever all

right everyone just like this tweet just

like this tweet

get it to like 20.

i don't know

um so you want to know why russia

why putin hasn't taken ukraine yet

all right well i'm gonna explain it to

you this way okay

very very simply so

it's about the changing nature of war

okay

and i was talking to showrunners about

this a little bit

it's about the changing nature of war

okay

so

in a pre-modern war

that's daily that's the daily grind

that's just

a war is not this event that is like an

apocalypse it's the daily grind so when

you invade a country you're just sending

your horses and cavalry there and

they're just kind of like you know and

it could last like the decades right

it's just conflict that was like during

the medieval times that was during

ancient times that was the nature of war

like when the persians and the

um the romans were fighting each other

it was like that it was not this kind of

thing where um

it was like you invaded their territory

so now you're gonna keep fighting until

you destroy the other so there's a

concept that comes from modernity in the

modern age right

which i call it mutually assured sorry i

call it uh the zero-sum game approach to

war where

two powers you have two powers right

they clash

and it can only end

with the complete annihilation of the

other power or

and the complete victory of the other

power

and until and and then and then only

there could be peace right

um

now you may think that that was true in

the ancient world but it wasn't so in

the ancient world when you all these

stunning victories

like in carthage

or in with the gauls with caesar and the

germanics and whatever you know

that was the culmination of

of of conflict that that had been going

on for decades and decades and decades

maybe even centuries right that was like

the final climax of of the confrontation

which there was maybe one or a few

battles which finally ended everything

right

so in that case

um

in that case is anyone [ __ ] listening

is no one's listening right

no one's

listening nobody's listening

oh

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all right

all right yeah he's just the [ __ ] he's

just scared there's literally nothing

more to it he's just [ __ ] scared

there's nothing else to say just scared

literally just scared

okay ready

oh this logan is a [ __ ]

this

that song

hogan is a [ __ ] program is a [ __ ]

hogan is a oh my god those are the

youtube days those

samira wants to get is that true

does samir want to get on

where

um

what i was saying

what i was saying is that um

all right back to the russia ukraine

stuff holy [ __ ] okay

back to what i was saying

so let's just put this to cover it okay

so you you have total war right and war

is the state of exception

not the general rule war is the state of

exception that's in modern times okay

and

when it comes to russia's special

military operation in ukraine

uh

they crossed that border into ukraine

they crossed the line

violating ukraine's territorial

sovereignty so we are sitting here in

the west and maybe other places in the

world we're going holy [ __ ] this is

total war they violated their

sovereignty now it's a fight to the

death

and we have all of this you've been

ignoring sir bro shut the [ __ ] up i

literally

me and samira talk offline for like

you know what you're talking about

all right

anyway um

uh

we immediately had an anxiety even i did

because i you know we have monkey brain

you know what monkey brain is monkey

brain is like when all the monkeys are

and then all the other monks

and then we all just get caught up and

we get hyped up and

we you know we just kind of

we get hyped

right and then as human beings we kind

of all have that right as a group

mob mentality type of thing whatever

right

and so i'll admit even i got caught up

in that right

even i got caught up in that right

so um

uh

the thing is when it comes to russia's

special military operation they crossed

that boundary and now all the only thing

we're thinking of is like oh what's

going to happen now when are they taking

chia what's going on was it we have all

this like anxiety right we have this

anxious we have it's and that comes from

neuroticism

it comes from neuroticism it's this

anxiety that russia did something it has

to quickly patch up

and because this is like you know

whatever

but

this is not a fight to the death this

special military operation

is also not an occupation right so in an

occupied but an occupation right what

you have is that troops go to a country

and they just

take it over they occupy it

and they make themselves comfortable

they make themselves at home and they

like they live there right they live

there they make it a way of life right

that's an occupation

okay

um

and in an occupation

just stop pinging me holy [ __ ] stop

pinging me with dumb [ __ ]

in an occupation that's what's going on

so what russia is doing in ukraine kind

of resembles an occupation just in the

sense that

they are not

speeding and they're not kind of like in

a rush with we are an enemy territory we

need to oh it's like they don't have

this anxiety right they're kind of just

making they're kind of almost getting

settled a little bit

kind of loitering around and lounging

around right

with their tanks and they're just

they're kind of just chilling there's

not really this sense of urgency right

and from our perspective we're just kind

of scratching our heads and we're a

little confused

because we don't understand that we

don't understand why there isn't the

sense of urgency despite the fact that

they cross the boundary of that

territorial violation so let me give you

the russian perspective about why this

is taking so [ __ ] long why this

appears to be dragging on for so long

and why apparently they people are

saying oh they look really bad right now

right

it's pretty simple okay so the first

thing

russia does not consider ukraine to be

alien territory

russians ultimately see ukraine as part

of russia's big space which is its

general geopolitical sphere of influence

and they were part of the soviet

together for 70 you know not only 70

years i mean centuries and centuries you

know they were part of the same

big space so

when russians went into ukraine

they don't look at this in terms of like

oh we just did an oopsie we have to

clear we have to clean this up fast it's

more kind of like

this is the beginning of the new era of

the russian world

and we're gonna take our sweet time

because we don't

you know you have to understand russians

are not neurotic about the war they

don't care

what the western perspective is they

don't care

we are kind of chimping out here in the

west and we're freaking out we're

screaming or whatever and russians

aren't even listening to us they don't

care they literally don't care

um they're just proceeding as they are

and it's not being um carried out with

any great deal of urgency

anxiety or um

you know uh

ferociousness

even right they're kind of just chilling

and

the conflict is proceeding in a very uh

smooth way and by smooth i mean like

can i put it this way guys

it almost kind of seems like they're

being lazy in ukraine right but even

when you're lazy you're still doing

something and things are still happening

right even if it's not the end of the

world it's still happening right

so in this sense

russia's um

special military operation

deserves its own new military concepts

because it resembles

the way wars happened in pre-modern

times before the age of total war

where this kind of incursion is not

uh

is not this kind of it's not the end of

the world is what i'm trying to say we

in the west experience it as the end of

the world because it's the end of the

western hegemony world order right

russians don't see this as the end of

the world they don't see it as

the end of everything what they see this

as is um

the beginning

okay

they're not being lazy i'm trying to

tell you that

they're not um

they're not as in a rush they're not in

a rush

in ukraine

and this is the new term i want to coin

russia is engaging in a

nomadic occupation nomadic occupation

so in a traditional occupation you are

occupying a country's sovereign

territory

and you're making a claim to it right

in a nomadic occupation

it's kind of more like loitering right

where you're just you're disrespecting

that country's claim

to sovereignty

but you're not negating it entirely

you're just disrespecting it

you know like let's say you you know

it's that's that's really what it is

they're

they are occupying parts of ukraine but

not in not with the sense of permanence

that comes with an occupation right

it's it's kind of like a form of

nomadism nomadicism whatever right

where they're in ukraine

they're

taking control of certain parts of

ukraine and then leaving them behind

in the same breath

and

um

but they are neither making a full claim

to occupation

nor are they there to do some dramatic

blitzkrieg of like

instantly destroying the ukrainian

government

so

yeah

yeah jennifer kind of has it right the

russia's taking the natural birth

whereas the u.s is used to c-sections

that's exactly it

that's exactly

it um

thank you pepe so it's not a total war

that they're fighting

it's the reason putin called it a

special military operation

is probably because they're they're it

is special it's a special type of

military operation it doesn't really

have a lot of precedent in modern

history you know

it's more a type of operation that

warrants its own new terms and concepts

in its own right

um

what would what russia is proving in

ukraine is basically this that you can

have a military engagement with a

country without all of the modern

consequences that come with total war

um

it's almost like russia's kind of saying

like yeah

we're in ukraine get over it

we're doing our business

get over it the business is being done

it's not the end of the [ __ ] world

yeah we get it we did a big no-no get

over it

it is not the end of the world

i think that's kind of the russian

perspective here you know

russia is not so all this projection

that's going on in the west like oh

putin's a madman he's like the next

hitler no he's the russians are not

as anxious as you are sitting in the

west you're more anxious than they are

they are

experiencing this as the beginning of a

new era your for you it's the end of in

europe right

wouldn't it be called a coup no

no

like i think people need to understand

that you know in parts of ukraine like

in kiev

you know people are still ordering big

macs at the mcdonald's i don't you know

the mcdonald's didn't close down in kiev

life is still going on

it's not a total war

i hope you guys know that right

like i hope you understand that this is

you need to have a new approach to your

understanding of geopolitics and war

right is the pogen debate off yeah he

ran away like a [ __ ] he ran away he

pushed it out [ __ ] doubt

and the reason he puts it out is because

he's genuinely scared he's scared to

have a debate about this

by the way guys i want to tell you

something funny

i didn't forget this because taxes are

coming up and this is going to be part

of my tax

non-taxable income

right but um

put it this way

pawns of hanukki here

told me he will give me five hundred

dollars and all i have to do is

film me benching

one rep

on a flat bench

one rep

of

235 pounds

and that's all i have to do

to get 500 dollars

can you believe that

five hundred dollars

for that

but um i need to go to a gym with a

bench

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because the gym i go to doesn't have one

it's a smith

yeah i'm sure it's 235.

he's not going to pay you know i have

the tweet he's going to pay me

i'm saved it's like a it's like a bank

it's like a piggy bank

it's like i'm saving it whenever i need

500 i'm just gonna

send the video

i don't know why he's just he's just

willing to give me 500. should i just

ask him to give me a ps5

because i kind of want a ps5

it's the same price you know

and i i don't want

and i don't want the digital edition

that's 400 i want the [ __ ] disc one

it's 500 not because i use discs i don't

i just like how it looks

i literally just like how it looks

i don't i don't like how it looks the

digital one you know the ps5 makes me so

sad it's such a beautiful

sexy console and

it's the basis of my entire aesthetic

vision

um

is the ps5 pro look ps5 are still out of

stock

what are you talking about [ __ ] ps5s

are literally still out of stock

the xbox series x is the ugliest most

disgusting thing ever

it's literally the ugliest [ __ ] thing

in the world

anyway

pro russia protesters rallied in germany

sunday

with a significant russian-speaking

population demanding an end to the

discrimination it says it's faced the

war so there's this new woke

discrimination where

they're kind of penalizing russians for

being russian

uh and this is supposedly western

democracy and freedom at work

uh and it's it's the whoa you know you

guys know how people are like

oh those backward trump supporters

are always uh bigoted

you know it's crazy because in germany

you know

it's these starbucks hipster liberals

who are going to be

like racist and discriminated toward

russell's gonna be like ow are you

russian shame on you you're right go

back to putin go back to siberia

go back to your gulags

and it's like the scary thing is like

that doesn't come from a place of

ignorance

it comes from a place of education

they're literally racist after being

educated which is the most [ __ ] up

thing ever if you ask me right if you're

racist out of ignorance i think that's

forgivable forgivable right because you

just don't know

but if you actually know when you're

still a [ __ ]

you know whatever you treat other human

beings that way on a personal level i

mean it's pretty [ __ ] up

yeah i'm hearing a lot about the

chemical weapons allegations and this is

where i'm in a kind of tough spot

because i'm not sure what i'm allowed to

say exactly

but i just want to

tell you guys that for months and

there's proof of this

russians have been saying that

there's going to be a chemical weapons

explosion or attack and they're going to

be falsely blamed for it

and the most recent one of these

statements came from april 6th from the

russian ministry of defense so on april

6th

the russian ministry of defense said

this they said ukraine special services

are preparing a serious provocation

using poisonous substances uh

in per month in the kharkiv region

security service of ukraine is mined a

storage facility containing 120 tons of

chlorine

on the territory of this association

this

storage phillies plan to be blown up in

order to accuse russia of allegedly

causing a chemical disaster

which caused the death of local

residents

and then recently

oh sorry

i got it

wrong so on the left

this was from today

no

wait

this is okay this one was from today

this one was from april 6th

so on april 6 this is what they said

they said official kiev

supported by several countries in the

collective west continues to prepare

monstrous and ruthless actions with

massacres of civilians to further

incriminate the russian armed forces

and what they said is that in these

places

neo-nazis have mined the chlorine tanks

at the water supply plant which they

plan to blow up when the lpr militia

formations approach the town

yeah apparently azov has been trying to

blow up chlorine and nitric acid

factories to make chemical clouds to

hurt surrounding populations that's an

allegation i haven't substantiated it

but that is what people are saying okay

um

i've been hearing the russians say that

they're worried or that they have

intelligence

that ukrainian militants are going to

stage chemical weapons attacks but would

not just stage them but actually kill

people

and massacre people and blame it on

russia

for months now right i mean they've been

saying this since when's the what was

the first instance where they said this

right

uh they've been saying it for a while

now right

we also have this uh we're going to keep

investigating the chemical attack

but um

you know you guys remember the topsail

missile thing where the serial number

turned out to be made from ukraine and

they blamed russia

for a missile attack uh

on a train station and it turned out to

be a tochka missile which the russians

don't even [ __ ] use anymore

sorry they don't use at all in any

capacity and it's only used by the

ukrainians and that it wouldn't even

make sense for russia to have attacked

that train station because it was a

pro-russian town

and that they initially claimed it was

an iskander missile but our close-up

shows it was atachka with the serial

number showing it was actually part of

ukraine's military inventory

it's funny how no one's talking about it

anymore

nobody's talking about the toshka

missile thing anymore they've moved on

to the next story because it got [ __ ]

debunked so now they're trying to accuse

russia of some [ __ ] uh

about a chemical weapons attack

another week another horrific atrocity

committed by russia

and we forget about all the old ones

because i i mean we're having trouble

substantiating those ones apparently

foreign ministry

ministers sergey lavrov

says he sees no reasons not to continue

negotiations with ukraine

adding that there will be no pause in

military operation before the next round

of talks

i don't know what their strategy is and

i don't know what their angle is right

but it's just uh very strange

and you know we on the news we're saying

ukraine said this why do we begin from

the a priori assumption

that the ukrainian government isn't

biased and that it's fully reliable

when they're known to have

lied why is that

they're known to have lied

so why does everyone assume that they're

just completely unbiased

los angeles mike hi are you some guy i

met in los angeles and said i was like a

giant famous streamer with 50 000

viewers or something because here's the

truth i'm not

you know here it is

but i don't know why i would have told

you that because

unless

you're

uh

you know

i don't know

anyway um

the [ __ ] is this

oh there's so much fake news coming out

of this shanghai thing

i can't wait to cover it we have so much

let's continue on with this

where did you get the information that

russell doesn't use tosca too

there's plenty of videos showing tatsu

being transported in belarus russia

okay

suros saroja

93

hold on soro 93

you literally just said

belarus

slash russia

which are two entirely different

countries

okay

that's a whole last other country yeah

belarus uses them

russia doesn't

and the serial number on the tajka u

missile happens to have come from

ukraine's military inventory

but i love how the goalposts shift

first

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it's an iskander missile

then

when it's was proven that it couldn't

have been an iskander missile they moved

the goal pose and said oh it's a tochka

missile and then when they were

confronted by the fact that russia

doesn't use toxic missiles they said oh

they took it from belarus for some

[ __ ] reason

yeah and the forensic evidence shows it

came from ukrainian territory actually

scott ritter was on jackson stream

today

i don't know if jackson's still

streaming i think we should cover it

yeah we should cover it

all right everybody welcome back to the

stream i hope you're all having a great

day thank you so much for tuning in here

for what is going to be a great

conversation very exciting all right

samira

are you watching

get in the

show cue

no watching

oh she is

yo what's up finally i've been trying

for like 30 minutes you ignored me you

ghosted me what the [ __ ] is going on i

didn't ask to come on i checked

i asked like six seven times in the chat

yeah

no you didn't i didn't see that once

i

when you were talking about pogen and

when he bitched out i was like

so i can defend myself

at least

uh

i did not see that once

okay well anyway

i mean he spent the entire

you cut out

hold on okay

okay hello

yeah

okay yeah he spent the entire day

um tweeting this thread of me of all my

so-called owns or whatever

um

and he's not gonna get in vc you know

it's just a little [ __ ] up it's a it's

a bit of a [ __ ] move on his part um

yeah i attacked his

i attacked his manhood several times and

he won't come on i don't know i don't

think he cares about that i think he's

just

maybe that's another kid you can't you

can't take away something someone

doesn't have you know

yeah

uh also be very careful when you're

talking about chemical

attacks oh i know i know i'm of course

not denying anything

yeah because the first thing that gets

flagged for disinformation i had that

experience one with syria number two

with um you remember novichok

yeah yeah so um

be very careful when you're talking

about that

um

he also made a big deal of your the

comment you made about the real husbands

whatever

and you know what's funny is that i got

in trouble for pointing that out with

luna oy

and that's what started the entire

[ __ ]

that's what started my whole

that's like my fall from grace from the

entire well i mean i i always hated them

but they never knew who i was before

then and then they made me like go viral

with like a total cancellation

are you talking about the real vanilla

husbands of dc

yes

when i pointed out that everyone has

like [ __ ] white husbands

oh of course they're on there's nothing

wrong with that right of course right

people of color have every right

to make fun of other people of color for

not on twitch not on twitch

no no no um okay never mind yeah let's

just say let's just say um

yeah we have okay that's how i phrased

it okay this is how i phrased it

these people like luna she's always

talking about

um and i'm going to talk [ __ ] about

lunoy for a second i want to critique

her i mean it's kind of beating a dead

horse because her channel's dead

but i'm going to say this again

she always talked about how oh my god

the american flag's the worst thing in

the world

anyone who waves the american flags and

not she's like she's talking about all

this [ __ ] she's saying and this is

because it's coming from my poc and

indigenous vietnamese perspective and

then

and then i said okay how many indigenous

uh vietnamese poc perspectives also

are influenced by american

husbands

right i mean let's use the word vanilla

can we use the word vanilla uh you know

i mean well she does talk about like

white the white man this the white man

that and all i was saying was

you know if it's such a problem you know

and that's all i was saying that's

literally all i was saying because and

oh

because i notice a pattern right all the

people you point i mean i notice every

time people are talking about the white

madness the white man that you know uh

i don't know it just seems a little

weird to me right

but anyway like a bit of a fetish right

uh

moving on in a video game yeah yeah and

moving on moving on so that's all that's

all i pointed out right that's all i

said

because i was just pointing out how she

was a fraud trying to make it seem like

this is because she's coming from that

vietnamese perspective

when it's pretty clear to me that

she's very much influenced by the views

of her anarchist

um you know a caucasian husband which

nothing wrong with that

you know but what i'm trying to say is

that it's like

you can't just say that's the poc

vietnamese perspective when it's clearly

influenced by another perspective that's

not indigenous or vietnamese right

and then anyway

then um

then get this right

[ __ ] what the [ __ ] was i gonna say what

did i say before this okay this the real

what the [ __ ] was i gonna say again

the real vanilla husbands no no um

another thing about luna hoy i wanted to

say

okay

um

why are all leftists

like this oh oh yes

this is what i was gonna say

what i find so disgusting about her

ideology her views

is that

she

you know what she says i was thinking

about this in the car i was like okay

how do we think about china's

reform and opening up and i wanted to

you know give it more well not give more

thought but just refresh you know my

theoretical whatever i was like and how

to understand like this is a new type of

socialism whatever in the 21st century

whatever right

and then i was like

it's so disgusting how luna oi has this

bizwa narrative it's like the most

horrific thing ever she's like oh and we

from vietnam we had to adopt a market

economy because we were forced

we were forced to adopt a market economy

by america

so yeah we have a market economy but

we're still victims because of it it's

like oh you're victims while you're

getting richer and more prosperous and

wealthier

mm-hmm

and now it's almost like it's almost

just trying to say like vietnam's entire

existence and unique type of socialism

or whatever

is just it's their victim status they're

just an eternal victim and then i was

saying i was like that's not really what

people in vietnam say though that's not

like their perspective that's like a

buzzword i'm gonna ask

in if i were in your place i would have

just you know gone to someone i know and

had them dunk on her instead um because

yeah uh first of all i didn't think i

would i didn't think i would get

attention because i was like a nobody

back then you know so i was like oh who

cares what i say

when was this

this was like in um

september of last year

okay um

yeah i mean it's super interesting that

they all have this

sort of uh

uh admiration for victims they're not

supporting russia as hard as we are

right now yep

they don't exactly china i mean

especially china i mean i wouldn't

expect a vietnamese communist to support

china at all

um well she went further she actually

said that um

she opposes both china and america and

she hopes they both go to war and wipe

each other out

do you remember when chen um posted that

tweet about vietnam and then everybody

all of these byzo ml's like

because you know we know about how they

prefer

the tropical socialism

exactly

they like vietnam and cuba and and latin

america you know not maduro too much

they don't really like maduro or the

chavismo that much but they like evil

morales and they like

yeah indigenous yeah they like

that they can claim like some sort of

identity with like it's like crazy they

like vietnam and they they like the

nepal not the nepal [ __ ] uh the um

philippines

you know we're the minority here in the

us but outside of the us outside of the

west we're the majority you know our

type of communist i think that yeah they

they like it's it's again it's the

tropical thing they like the tropical uh

socialism

but even the tropical socialists who are

living there they're more like us oh no

i know i know tropical to be clear

tropical socialism has nothing to do

with vietnamese people has nothing to do

with any of those people it's like a

western bizwa fantasy

of those people that's what we're

talking about we're not actually talking

about those people themselves like yeah

i mean even vietnam right which is a

pro-american country for the most part

you know you go tell people in vietnam

there's a little spit in your face you

know

yeah

can i tell you something vietnam

philippines japan australia india these

countries are being used by the us to

drive a wedge between russia and china

yeah

yeah i know my gosh

but um yeah no i mean like the crazy

thing is that

it's crazy how that's what i got

canceled over and you'd think they would

continue to support her

but her channel only gets 2 000 views

per video now

i didn't know who she was until i saw

that she blocked me

so oh she still tweets about us and you

know

she said

she says well yeah oh yo she said a lot

of things about me she said um

she said that when i pointed out her

husband i was i can't even repeat the

words but

she said i was um exploiting the trauma

of the victims of the vietnam war

that were victims of

the um sexual uh assault from u.s

soldiers

and i i don't know where that came from

i don't know where that i mean that just

came out of left field i was like i

didn't bring up anything

remotely close i didn't even there's

nothing i said

had anything to do with the vietnam war

had nothing to do with u.s soldiers had

nothing to do with any type of sexual

assault

none of those things that she said had

anything to do with anything i tweeted

she just like she goes on these she went

on these she she i called her a cry

bully she'd go on massacres

you know just

endlessly attacking

me for [ __ ] that i'm not guilty of right

yeah and then let me tell you this i

actually so let me show you this i

actually wrote about this in the subspec

substance i read that i read that yeah

let me just so everyone can see

because okay here's one thing that works

against you and i'm gonna

tell you exactly what it is yeah people

just [ __ ] think you're white you need

to [ __ ] do something about that

no i like everyone i prefer that no no

no no that's stupid that's stupid that's

bad for your optics i

uh i understand optics very well

and it's very bad for your optics you

really need to

you know make it clear that you're not

[ __ ] glow sexy no that's not that's

not samira this is uh twitch

and twitch is very sensitive in a video

game it's very sensitive about that

whole thing trust me so um there's

nothing wrong with being white obviously

but okay let me tell you the truth is um

i don't care if people think i'm white

because

i don't know i just feel like they're i

just feel like uh

uh

it's just kind of funny when when you

actually find out that i'm not and they

feel stupid it's i like that you know

because those are not the people i want

uh to be friends with in the first place

you know

i don't want to appeal to the left i

don't want to appeal to the left in the

first place i just want to

uh well i used to want i used to want to

cause them pain but now i just kind of

want to grow but that causes them pain

knowing that you're not vanilla

um

no because no it won't because then

they're going to resort to the whole

like

you're a toxic uh misogynist

arabic male right

and the thing is is that

they only accept arabic men when they

are

um

effeminate

yes they won't accept an unapologetic

man who's arabic or latino or anything

like that

right because

they kind of well the way they see it

and i hate to break it down this way but

they kind of see us as their eunuchs

like they see us as like

they're like friendly eunuchs

and they only respect the masculinity of

white men right so when it comes to poc

males they see us as like oh you should

be like my servant

right

and so when it when i'm actually when

they actually see a arab man or a muslim

man or a latino man whatever

they're really bothered by it like that

really bothers them right there are

studies on this how it was created by

feminists and everything

yeah you know i'm not going to get into

it because i actually have to go through

twitch's terms and service one of these

days and yeah figure it out i mean my

best and also there's nothing on to be

clear nothing wrong with white people i

have nothing that's white people and

nothing against you know uh i think

every male should be a man whatever

nothing wrong with that but they have

specifically made a very specific

lifestyle decision where

you know that's just all they

you know respect i guess

in their personal lives and they're

trying to drag the rest you know and you

know their decision is not my decision

and i got nothing to do with that and i

respect everyone's decision but you know

it's not my decision you know what i

mean

well you it's not my decision

do you see how i always emphasize and

point out my muslim identity and how it

pisses them off and it triggers them

i think that could work to your

advantage

no uh because um

they don't care

no no they don't care they'll just be

like oh you're you're uh

you're backward i mean look the whole

identity politics thing it doesn't work

because um

they ultimately

you have to be a liberal atheist right

yeah

or else and if you stray from the

liberal line even a little bit they will

go after you like hyenas

yeah but let me just show you guys what

luna oy um had to say because

this is what so i missed all of this

disinformation

and propaganda about what was going on

she's a marxist leninist so-called

anti-imperialist who wants to avoid wars

and whatever so this is what she said

she said people keep asking my opinion

about ukraine simply sad worried hoping

for peace i don't support any war in

ukraine i'm not an authority and i feel

be unreason and then she said no war but

class war

and then um all i did was point out this

is that no war but that war

and then i said um

what i said was actually pretty

embarrassing for her because i said

luna was it a class war or a national

war of liberation that the viet minh

waged against france and later america

was that a class war

i'm pretty sure that was a national war

of liberation that wasn't the class

what do you mean no war but that's an

anarchist slogan

what do you mean no war with class war i

mean like

the vietnam war was not a was not about

class it was about

the american imperialists and it was led

by communists who believed in the class

struggle but it's like

that wasn't the primary contradiction

imperialism was so it's like yes why

would you say no war but class war in

this case

i mean this is

when do you your whole

and then what i said is that

it's like your entire career has been

selling your vietnamese background as a

source of legitimation you know of an

otherwise indistinguishably american

leftist opinion

and

it's just [ __ ] pathetic right

geez i i also want to know how it was

i mean i i didn't know who she was right

until recently so she called me an

american chauvinist i'm an american

chauvinist

but you're fence-sitting when it comes

to russia and ukraine but i'm the

american chauvinist it's pretty [ __ ]

crazy you know and they're all [ __ ]

doing it they're not [ __ ] doing it me

you and jackson are going the hardest

but we're i thought we're american

chauvinists who um believe in american

imperialist hegemony why are we

supporting the forces that are

challenging america's

prestige and hegemony in the world

yeah i mean it's funny like i was uh

called a token muslim for

joining you guys you know

how funny is that

do they really don't know i'm muslim

that's hilarious i'm telling you they

don't know there's three of us it's me

you and jackson

and two out of three of us are muslim

yes and they're doing that identity

politics [ __ ]

yeah that's why you can fight identity

politics with identity politics

it's like if anything jackson's the one

who's

turning his you know what i mean like

they're saying we sold out to uh the

white man or whatever i mean if anything

you know and it's not true obviously

but i'm just saying like why are they

the odd one out yeah

and and we have diversity among us

muslims i'm sunni right

yeah oh yeah and i'm yeah exactly

but they well they don't care that's too

much information but they don't care

right

they don't care about any of that

yeah i mean they call us uh white

supremacists

well you know look there's a there's

this actually is true for the us in

general right now

is that there's an increasing tendency

for like black and latino people to

speak out

uh yeah with very conservative views and

very much views that are against the

left

and the biggest opponents of

progressivism in this country the

biggest the biggest black latino they're

all i mean many are coming out with

very prob problematic i mean you see the

everyone who's getting canceled these

days i mean how many are are white men

these i mean dave chappelle i mean who

else i mean you know it's like

today it doesn't really seem like it

kind of seems like the progressive

woke thing is kind of a white

supremacist thing though you know oh

yeah it is because progressive left is

the most

do they have

action in the country do they have a way

of explaining why record numbers of

minorities voted for trump in the last

election do they have a way of

explaining that

um they uh gave in to white supremacy

you know because they can you know

they're stupid oh let me okay let me get

this straight so the people who voted

for trump gave in to white supremacy but

yes the iv the academics who are working

as salaried professionals for white

supremacy dominated institutions

and who are getting money from the soros

foundation and who are with progressive

leftists in the dsa and who are working

for these news mainstream media

companies that are completely dominated

by the so-called white man white

supremacy whatever

those people are just um

completely authentic

uh poc

uh well because they're our saviors and

you know there are white saviors they

are the only people that have the right

to speak for us and they're you know

doing it for the good of minorities

therefore you know they're the good guys

and they're led by the good billionaire

only good billionaire george soros

yeah it's it's it's like

it's crazy i don't know i don't i think

they've stopped hiding behind minorities

recently i think they've kind of given

up on that i don't know if you've

noticed that but i've noticed that

they're much they're not really

leaning in on the race card that much

these days

they're focusing more on um

well they're still leveraging sometimes

the indigenous stuff

but yeah it's more now sexuality based

right and it's yeah uh yeah yeah for

sure after the 2020 election

specifically

and uh january 6th because i actually

think 2020 aren't they starting to say

things like i've heard them try to say

[ __ ] like oh um

poc are very problematic with their

views and they're not as enlightened

like they they haven't said it directly

but they're starting to kind of like

almost openly say [ __ ] like that like oh

yeah they say it openly yeah oh they're

not as enlightened and educated as us

that's okay like and they're starting to

kind of become you know my predictions

they're morphing into the azov they're

morphing into exactly that's my view

exactly americans here's what they say

about me they say that i have a

backwards islamic perspective oh yeah

look it's any day now that they're gonna

start calling us orcs just like they

call russians

orcs yeah it's any day now american

leftists are gonna i mean they already

call me that you know they already call

me uh

a caveman and they call me a [ __ ]

ape and they call me this they call me

that i mean you know

and these are leftists right so where

does that come from

yeah

um

well there's one root and we know what

it is

yeah

so but uh

yeah interesting right yeah i mean i

noticed that um

the whole race card thing i want to

completely leave it behind because

another reason i want to leave it behind

too is because um

i

i don't think

i've ever had

a muslim ally

that comes close to

jackson

or like a poc wow

wow [ __ ] you

no i'm okay shut the [ __ ] up you know

what i mean

like

i've never had a poc friend like ally

anything like that

that comes close

to jackson you know

like before before we like became a

group or whatever

like

so i don't do that race card [ __ ]

because

i know now it's just the biggest [ __ ]

excuse ever

it's literally just an excuse what i had

you know

these these middle eastern leftists a

lot of arab leftists they go on every

day they attack me they they [ __ ]

whatever

meanwhile you have people like jackson

who are actually

you know i it's like

i don't do that race card [ __ ] anymore

you know i don't do that

okay so here's how i look at it when

you're attacked

i look at it as you know we're all

attacked and that's why i go out of my

way to defend you

um i have that tribal mentality that's

very typical of

you know it's a very asian thing

um yeah

but that's how i treat it

yeah yeah same i mean like um

we're really behind schedule about our

podcast and [ __ ] oh yeah i told jackson

this

all three of us need to schedule a call

soon

to work out all the details

i've been trying to do that for weeks

and commit to a date commit to a date

where we're going to i i said wednesday

nights we should have a one-hour phone

call yeah and then thursdays we should

do our podcast

yeah um

i'm really excited about it but it's

just like uh it's so hard to get the

three of us together i always talk to

jackson during the day and i always talk

to you

in the middle of the night

yeah um

yeah so uh

what i was saying let's let's let's do

it this thursday

we got no we need to know because we're

gonna formalize it it's gonna be super

professional and [ __ ]

all right fine next thursday let's

yeah

it'll be next yeah next thursday because

we're gonna promote it and if we

announce it then

okay

but

um yeah you know the thing is is that

there's a huge political realignment

happening

and

it's so crazy how

i don't know so

marxist leninist whatever it's like the

new trend you know

oh yeah

all of these former like dsa people or

they're still in the dsa

they're identifying as marxist leninist

and they're taking away

the term from us from like the real

marxist lenin it's on purpose on purpose

because you know we're the real ones

but also the ones who call themselves

maoists who are like psychotic

oh yeah like did you see how they

bullied that teenager into suicide the

other day

disgusting disgusting and that's another

point that i wanted to bring up my tweet

where i said i quit

that been

yeah people thought that you oh my god

they took so much sadistic like they

jumped on it

like pigs at a [ __ ] you know

that's right so

i

might not have been talking about my

career or something else like it could

have been something more serious

they jumped on it they celebrated it

bosh celebrated it it was disgusting

yeah it was sick

and that's just how these people are

like you know me and you are normal

people you jackson we're normal people

right so yeah when someone has a

political disagreement with us

we'll

we will still have an underlying sense

of humanity

you

know

we'll still be able to be like okay

they don't that doesn't mean you're not

a human being anymore but yeah for them

just because we have the views we do

means it's like it's open season just

they can kill us our families we can die

whatever it doesn't [ __ ] matter

yeah

i mean the

i've seen memes posted on twitter

problematic memes advocating for let's

just say

uh not so healthy

punishment for people who have uh

different views

um

yeah like the worst punishment that you

could think of exactly what you yeah

you're alluding to

um yeah i mean um

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a lot of it is kids a lot of these are

kids that are groomed and brainwashed

by

pedos i don't know what else to call

them

yeah

but

i mean it's

like they don't have control over their

emotions look at me you jackson people

with different views it doesn't trigger

us because we have that control but

they're so emotionally triggered like

how dare you

disagree with me how dare you have a

different worldview it bothers the [ __ ]

out of them it shatters their

brains yeah i i don't because there's no

dividing i mean look liberals used to be

say [ __ ] like oh has i'm with you on

this like

yeah leftists are so crazy but then when

when the russia ukraine should happen

they became just like leftists

where it was like oh you have a

different view about this conflict and

you're the worst piece of [ __ ] in the

world you should literally die whatever

so it's like

a lot of people get this wrong and they

get it backwards they think okay the

people calling themselves marxist

leninists are bad but at least they're

not liberals it's actually the opposite

liberals are literally better

than the self-proclaimed marxist

leninists in the west and they're also

better than progressives

but the problem with liberals is that

they're progressives to the core and you

know they they're leftist to the core

okay so what do you think about the

division between oman and sinai

what democratic

i feel like that's the

liberal progressive decision

okay what do you think about the um

division between the mansions and the

cinemas versus the rest of the

democratic party i feel like that's a

good example of the

liberal versus progressive distinction

yeah yeah that is that is but yeah but

they're a minority you know

well and uh progressives are spending

millions to get them out

mansion specifically

yeah

and i don't think we're gonna have them

no yeah i think i think that's like a

relic of the past if there ever was one

yeah it's gonna be filled with the

you know i think you described as killer

clowns

yeah that's exactly what they are

you're you're completely cutting off

no what the [ __ ] is going on

so can you hear me

yeah

oh my god

like that those types right oh you're

good the entire squad you go

hold on let me try this again let me

call you back

hello yeah

can you hear me now yeah

okay

um what were we saying these liberals

and progressives

i have no idea because you cut out the

whole time

oh okay so i was saying that uh these

progressives these squad members they

remind me of like harley quinn

you know the killer clowns and

everything you know these dc characters

that are absolutely batshit crazy think

they can do anything

i think that makes them seem too much

cooler than they actually are okay

cooler yeah true but

i think sadistic yeah

yeah the way i would look at it

generally is like it's more like um

what would i compare them to they're

okay maybe i shouldn't use dc references

with you because yeah

you shouldn't yeah it makes them look

way more like cool and stylish than they

actually are they're yeah they're more

like this the killer clowns from outer

space

uh-huh like that type of killer like

actual like scary [ __ ]

like the the scary kind you know the

terrible kind

um

have i uh diverted your stream a bit no

are you sure okay

i like coming on it's fun

i think your chat likes us too and your

audience likes us so

it's a lot of fun when we uh get

together and talk [ __ ]

yeah

um so i sent you a voice message

yesterday

um with some criticism

how uh did you respond to it like what

do you think

i don't remember

um it was about south asia and it was

about

um i wanted to present you a different

side of the argument regarding

macron and le pen

uh

go ahead

so with

le pen her main stick is that she wants

to peel russia away from china that's

why she wants good relations with russia

the problem with that is the second a

single european country gives like

somewhat of an olive branch to russia

that emboldens the westernizers and the

liberals in russia and i think

um it's not gonna thwart the

sino-russian alliance but it will

you know it's not gonna be as quick but

you know the opposite happened when

trump was elected you know trump is

different from le pen because le pen is

european you're um

it's european alienation that's

accelerating the global transition to

multi a multi polarity

yeah i i do get what you're saying no i

do understand that dynamic it's just

that um

i don't know if le pen would empower

liberals in russia you know just because

of who she is i think no no it's not her

it's it's no that's not what i said you

don't listen to me i feel like maybe

female voices you like it goes in one

ear out the other and i'm just kidding

anyway

um no it's specifically from a european

country if they see a single european

country as large as

as france i know but if france would be

defying the us to such an extent

that it would turn france illiberal

that's [ __ ] [ __ ]

why is it [ __ ] it's not gonna turn

it's not hungary hungary is in a good

example of this no that's not it's not

france france is what like the third or

fourth largest i get what you're saying

but it's just a paradox that's not

possible in order for them

my priority is not pissing off the west

my priority

is one strengthening the sino-russian

alliance and accelerating the transition

to multiple no i get that i get that but

i think

regardless of what happens with the sin

or russian alliance

this is just true for russia

historically okay

a euro a euro russian integration is

inevitable it is inevitable that russia

is going to

integrate more with germany and france

in the long term it's it's just

inevitable

okay what russia needs to do is it needs

china's help to

sustain itself until then

but for regional reasons for historical

reasons for cultural reasons i mean

russia has always wanted to aspire to be

the master of europe always

okay

so wouldn't they be dropping their

eurasian no

no that's that's what i'm saying you

don't understand

what i'm saying

no what i'm saying right now is that

russia is a contradiction

it's both east and west it's not just

it's not an asian country it's also a

european country eurasian yeah i know

but

that's just it so

russia's fate is tied with europe's fate

okay

in the long term

it's a contradiction you know

it's not like china which is just you

know

asian

i think you're an idealist when it comes

to

russia no i think you are i think you

think russia is going to be like uh

a fully asian

no no no no superpower but i just

understand the internal dynamics of

russia and i know no i get it here's why

here's i let me i'll i'll show you why i

understand what you're saying okay okay

because russia's always teetering on the

edge of

whether to pursue the path of

liberalization after the fall of the

soviet union or go down the path of

putin and the problem is that

the illiberal path is ill-defined

whereas the liberal path is already

defined by europe

right now

right so i get it it's very easy for the

liberals in russia to be empowered

by small

um

changes in the favor of your uh the

europe russia

integration

because

they already like the burden is on the

illiberal side to prove themselves all

the time

okay

so but the reason who outnumbers who

the liberals right now

but here's the thing right now

well i'm in this russian establishment

in the russian like

you know they're the ones who make the

decisions i know i know but here's the

thing

the z campaign

in ukraine is going to i predict

upset all of that

okay so it's going to be a rest a kind

of soft re-stalinization of russia where

the russian

uh periphery is going to have

more power

like they're going to rise the ranks

they're going to become the new

establishment

and these liberals are just going to be

squashed out i think why didn't that

happen after crimea

because

that that set in motion the process that

is now culminated in this

crimea actually started that process you

remember you the one who told me about

this right or you always used to bring

it up before crimea like they had

medvedev and they were going in a

completely opposite direction

so crimea is actually what has initiated

what is

i think is culminated into the z

campaign

yeah true i think that um georgia in

2008 also played a factor but then you

know what that happened what happened in

2008

um medvedev took power and then they

were basically liberal until 2012.

yeah well what what happened was that

they were trying to say okay this was

just an aberration this was an exception

and you know we learned from the mistake

and going forward we're not going to

have that problem anymore right

yeah the the issue i think why ukraine's

a deal breaker is because it shows that

even when russia pursued that liberal

path

you know ukraine was the aggressor they

are the ones who upset the status quo in

an anti-russian dirt so the aggression

was coming from the west

i think that is that was just

irreversible right and then you know the

syria conflict was also an example of

that you know right i don't think i

think russia's crossed the rubicon

away from the current form of europe but

europe in the future i think

you know it's not it's not over right

europe right now is controlled

by the american state department

and you know we do have to entertain the

fact that

could there be a foreseeable

contradiction between

the world of lisbon to vladivostok with

the chinese world i mean it's possible

right that's actually absolutely

possible because i mean but i think we

can't rush don't rush and impose that

outcome yet because

while it's very possible it's not

inevitable right

well we know during the sino-soviet

split that's basically what happened

right exactly the soviet union was seen

as the bulwark of europe

and the european world

against

mao's china right

and all the western communist parties

were totally assimilated in the social

democratic

establishment of their countries

and they all saw russia the soviet union

as like the bulwark of this right yeah

this new arrangement so we all know that

context from the sino-soviet split but

on the other hand

that was also in the context of the

destalinization

and

a re-stalinization of russia is very you

know i think stalin said in motion a

process

of russia's return to muscovy right and

the whole peter is a great thing and

like

that

i don't think that's going to be a

permanent feature of russian

civilization but i do think it's going

to transform europe

now here's another thing putin is not

immortal

okay

there will have to be a successor

who do you think would be the most um

capable successor of putin

all things considered

i think shoigu

okay

why is that

here's why because

um

lavrov is too old

yeah well yeah yeah lavrov's too old

hadirov is muslim

and

it's not gonna happen with a muslim

leader of the you know it's just not

okay now if you compare the uh public

opinion surveys in russia versus the us

whether or not they would elect

a muslim um president or leader i think

that's worth checking out i have i don't

remember the exact percentages

but uh look you know i get that stalin

was christian but at the end of the day

he was georgian

and i don't think russians have an issue

with the ethnicity thing but i think the

religion thing

would be different right but what if

khadirov comes out as a hero in this you

know ukraine war that you say is is a

huge moment in in russian history that

it's going to be a turning point

um and then vladimir putin

basically endorses him did you see

peskov's comments recently it was like

about a month ago where he said kathirov

might run for president

i didn't see that but don't be wrong i

would love for kadyrov to be the

president

um

i would love for him to be the leader of

russia i just

i don't

i don't know if russia is ready for that

i mean there could be

as uh prime minister and then kadyrov as

president maybe

or something like the

i think that's more realistic i think

him as a

well you know to me i think

a communist leader

with khadirov as the number two would be

the most because you know a communist

leadership might cause issues with the

chechens

because of historical reasons

but if they share power

like khadirov will represent all of the

minorities

whose identity has been defined by

anti-communism

in art

he'll he'll represent them right so

there'll be a balance and i don't think

it'll be you know i think it'll it'll be

a nice um combination so

an orthodox christian communist with

khadirov is number two i think

would be

would be uh

that's ideal i don't know what's

realistic though

um also we should consider um

do you think that popular support for

united russia will

go up obviously or and and that will

result in the communist party um support

for the communist party going down

uh yeah i think that's an inevitable

outcome um it's kind of already

happening

all right but on the other hand united

russia is a very divided party

yeah

yeah um

i mean united russia's putin

yeah whatever faction putin represents

in the united russia will take the

lion's share

but

we don't know that yet i don't know if

they can still co-exist with that

liberal faction

well i mean

it's very hard because we don't know

exactly what's going on in russia right

now we don't know how the war is going

um we only know what khadirov is telling

us otherwise we're getting reports from

like abc cnn and msnbc

um

kadyrov said that he has plans

he was given for an invasion of kiev

okay but then

during the whole negotiation process in

turkey

um after that that was like the other

day

okay but they pulled away they pulled

back right to focus on the eastern

parts right

it seems like russia's very mobile and

nomadic so i mean they can pull back but

they can also come back

but khadirov apparently received the

plans for taking kiev

interesting and that is consistent with

reports that uh vladimir putin

um informed khadira

before anyone else

of this entire uh intervention

like in february he was the first person

who knew about it

yeah that doesn't surprise me

yeah um

but apparently khadir have also

volunteered

to go into ukraine um he said that your

people are going to be too slow

yeah um take kevin like 24 hours but of

course you know

that's risky

i mean could have

because you know abilities

that's very very weird that this is

happening to me after what happened to

jackson the other day

yeah that was way weirder though

all right so

um

it's bad optics though because um

russian info warfare is

very weak

and um but i don't think they care about

optics or info warfare i think they're

done with this idea

of one globe of information i think

they're like you know what

let them in the west think whatever the

[ __ ] they want we don't but it's not

just the west you know western media

controls discourse all over the world

there is no i don't know i mean like

alternatives it seems to me like

the rest of the world is kind of with

russia on this with russia i mean the

governments

no but if you people

well from what i maybe in china maybe in

china also india

yeah well that's because russia is a

historical ally of india they're going

to side with russia no matter what and

they have this fantasy

yeah okay in india they have this

fantasy that russia will um

come

to their defense

uh against china like that drives most

of their support for russia

yeah yeah i mean most but most you know

latin america

middle east africa you know you ask

these people africa yeah yeah

you know they're very much

throw russia here they're like yeah [ __ ]

the [ __ ] the the colonial west

and

yeah

so i mean um the second thing i wanted

to discuss with you i tuned into your

stream yesterday i think the last

hour and a half two hours

and you were talking about pakistan

so i just want to make it clear

that um

right now india and pakistan are in a

state of relative peace that was

brokered by the west as a measure

against china

it's been that way for decades um i

called out a few people on twitter over

this

um

i think that's very important but why

does that benefit china

because no no not as a measure against

china you know i mean how does how does

a war between india and pakistan benefit

china it doesn't benefit china a war

doesn't benefit china but

um india and pakistan

pakistan is obviously the weaker

um state in this situation so the u.s

dream ever since

as early as jfk has been relative peace

between india and pakistan because

india's greatest fear

is a two-front war this was the case in

1962 when they uh ward with

china this was the case in 1965 when

they had a war with pakistan so in order

to remove that threat of a two-front war

the u.s has always pursued peace between

india and pakistan

that's no i get that but wouldn't a war

be nuclear with china no no i'm not

saying

relative peace between indian pakistan

i'm not saying you know the only

alternative is nuclear war i'm just

saying that that's the goal like i'm not

saying nuclear war is favorable for

china no no i'm saying like how could it

be to front

when it would just be a nuclear war it's

not because china and india just fought

like a year ago and then india and

pakistan fought like two years ago i

mean these are all nuclear countries

kashmir

this needs to be noted kashmir is not a

disputed territory between two nuclear

powers it is a disputed territory

between three nuclear

powers china holds 20 percent of kashmir

that's why china supports

pakistan on this

because india um in 2020 they decided to

unilaterally declare aksai chin which

literally has china in its name part of

india

and that's the only reason that kashmir

is relevant not because of india versus

pakistan

disputes it's because of the china

factor that's why the u.s supports india

on on kashmir

because it undermines chinese influence

in south asia

um

so why doesn't china and pakistan take

their respective kashmir

um mao suggested it mao suggested it

matt wanted to do it why didn't he do it

i don't know

i don't know because um

uh so in

1962 pakistan and china were on the same

page and they actually fought

in kashmir in the chinese part

because neheru actually

told his troops it was called his

forward policy

to go in and take the areas that china

had controlled

and

what uh china did

um they basically

destroyed the indian army

and then at that point um india was

supported by the soviet union

by the us by the uk by france

by israel

and china still kicked their ass the

thing is that at that point in 1962

china-pakistan relations had not

developed to a point where they would

you know carry out this quantum quote

two front war

um and then after that you know certain

things happened there was a lot of

western influence to keep

china and pakistan

apart but you know they had

great relations um unfortunately not to

the extent of you know attacking another

country or you know confronting another

country before

and it's not just aksai chin which is

the chinese-controlled part of kashmir

that's disputed

also what china refers to as south tibet

in india i think it's called

arunachal pradesh china does not

recognize that as indian territory they

say it's literally south tibet

so um china

has settled a lot of its territorial

disputes

with every single one of its neighbors

except india and bhutan

because india's um

disagreement with

uh so india's case is theological they

refer to the rig veda and

all of these things they say that they

cite their you know their religious

texts to make their territorial claims

so india's not willing to cede even an

inch to china no

no not a [ __ ] inch

and that's the biggest problem i'm going

to send you something

more like secular though

so no so here okay here you're gonna

love this i'm gonna send it to you and

hopefully you can pull the screen

um

but it's interesting right a lot of

people don't know this stuff um

especially the alt media you know they

were completely silent in 2020 when

india and china had the um biggest

sort of altercation at the border

hold on i got

check this out you're gonna love this

pull it up

[Music]

like uh

you don't even need anything but the

first page

i didn't get anything are you sending me

on twitter yeah

when zhu and lai asked nehru for prove

india's territorial claims

israel the indian government said over a

secular government idea cited ancient

religious texts

it says

historical background of the himalayan

frontier of india but go ahead

oh okay well that's the basis of their

territorial claims and that's how i know

that there is never going to be any

um

solution to this uh because it's

theological and um

nehru said in

in parliament that conflict with china

would continue for

generations conflict with china would

continue for generations and that is

literally the case until today now with

bhutan in 2017

um china and india got into it

over a territory called doklam which is

recognized as china

but um

so uh bhutan has an agreement that india

forced them to sign that india would be

in control of their foreign affairs so

this is like something um

it was literally something between

bhutan and china but india stepped in

and uh they had a big dispute over that

as well and this was just in 2017. so we

had something in 2017

over bhutan between china and india

in 2020 between sorry in 2019 between

india and pakistan in 2020 between

india and china literally

and then in 2020 um also

um there was a threat of a three-front

war for india because india had also

unilaterally claimed nepali territory

the communist government which was

pro-china

was actually sending their troops to the

border to kick the indian troops out

and then there was an indo-us regime

change operation

which not only got rid of the communist

leader from power they actually split up

the unified communist party of nepal so

that was the first you know um

regime change operation under biden that

was successful in south asia so there

was nepal now there's pakistan and now

there's an ongoing one in sri lanka

um

all right so

back to ukraine

all right you know what i am going to

let you cover this and

wait wait wait wait i have to go

i have to pee for a second can you um

you want me to talk to them yeah just

for a second all right fine i'll be

right back

guys do you have any questions about

south asia

nothing okay

tell tell you guys more um

it's funny has had no comments

he had no response no reaction to

anything i had said

you know i actually have a policy

not to argue with haas on stream

publicly i usually do it off-stream

because i feel it i feel like it's

disrespectful you know

um

what else um i have obviously been

following the russia ukraine stuff but

um it's very hard to get factual

information because you know we're not

getting any info from russian media and

most of the info is

coming from

the us media and western media and i

just don't trust them so i feel like

it's better to sort of not talk about

this until we actually get the facts

um so i i got a question how is nawaz

sharif's foreign policy significantly

better than imran khan's foreign policy

i'll be honest um very pro china uh you

know imran khan has taken this sort of

independent stance he pretends to be

independent but

uh for the first three years he was

trying to move closer to the west

and uh if you didn't know this um

he promised beforehand that he would

never

go to the imf for loans he said you know

i would rather

i can't say this on twitch but you guys

know what i'm gonna say um but anyway

when he got into power he went to the

imf and got loans and

they asked him for details of his belt

and rodent agreement with china and he

gave it to them

um and uh cpec which is the

china-pakistan economic corridor which

is the crown jewel of the belton road

initiative

those projects were stalled under imran

khan

no i said nothing bad i'm just talking

[ __ ] about imran khan guys don't freak

out

i think that it was done the

the coup or whatever it was done with

the tacit backing of the us i think

um

but the thing is

the sharifs the budos are way better on

china

than imran khan

that's a fact

um you'll probably hear a different

narrative in the alt media but these

same alt media figures have never talked

about pakistan's domestic politics in

their lives

so [ __ ] them they don't know what the

[ __ ] they're talking about they're

annoying the [ __ ] out of me

actually

um

i don't like any political parties in

india

they suck

um

what else

uh russia

russia's position in south asia is

irrelevant the only place where it's

relevant is india but

uh if you look at history russia and

china have al

always had diametrically opposed

interests in south asia

so

okay here's another

thing in india india

uh s 400s from russia they were not

sanctioned by the us

you know why because all five s-400

systems

are now pointed at china not pakistan

so india is using russian weapons

against china and

uh believe it or not if you go through

the documents if you go through all of

these like arguments between mao and

khrushchev this was one of the reasons

for the sino-soviet split uh the chinese

were very upset that the soviet union

was um arming their enemies

paz do you have any comments

huh

do you have any comments about what

all of the stuff that i

said to you before you went to the

bathroom

um

i was telling chat that i have a policy

of never arguing with you

on stream what do you think about um

the communist party of pakistan

oh it's useless it's relevant

is there a maoist movement in pakistan

no but in terms of foreign policy um

all mainstream

parties are like pro china so that's

i think that's the only um i know but

are like

extremists right

yeah i don't think that's it i don't

think that's ever going to happen in

pakistan i don't think a a maoist party

will ever

gain any traction in pakistan

in nepal yes

but actually the maoists in nepal aren't

that great um

but they were quite good when they were

unified with the marxist-leninist

communist faction

but the us split them up and india split

them up

is vietnam friendlier with india or

pakistan

india

how's relations with pakistan

uh i'm not sure i don't think

it's relevant um i think that india and

vietnam the u.s is pushing india and

vietnam together as a way to counter

china

also japan is another one

uh philippines as well

um do you think imran khan is coming

back

i don't know

um

when he was elected in 2018 he was

elected with the support of the army

and the army dictates the affairs in

pakistan and if he no longer has the

support

of the army there's a strong case that

he will not come back but

uh is the army unified aren't there

factions

uh i think that the army is

pretty much unified when it comes to

no yeah no okay so yeah uh

when it comes to that no they're not all

pro-american but in terms of domestic

politics

they will back certain parties like the

the uh they're all they're not

they're all against pakistan's new

alignment with russia

i

don't think so i don't think that

they're all i don't think russia is that

relevant in in uh

in south asia i think that bajwa the

reason you got removed isn't it hold on

hold on one second i think that bajwa

used the russia

pakistan thing as a way to convince the

us

as a way to sort of say hey you know we

need like we want more weapons

you get what i'm saying

now

that now we need more weapons now

no no no i mean so so what uh

uh the army chief is saying is that we

want more

weapons from the us

so why is it ron khan removed

why did he fall out of favor just now

after he traveled to russia

there have been budding disagreements

between him and the army for ages i'll

give you an example you know what cpec

is the china-pakistan economic corridor

it's the flagship project of the belt

and road initiative this guy bajwa who

is the army chief that is more pro-us

was head of uh the cpec authority

okay he

wasn't the best we don't know wally but

imran khan removed him

from the post of head of cpec

and he was pro-us

yeah

so that's just an example of one of the

disagreements that imran khan had

with the army also yeah but that hold on

oh the only thing that happened is he he

removed the pro-us guy

he didn't cancel the project did he

no no he didn't cancel the project i'm

just giving you an example of

of you know one

thing it's about pakistan deviating from

u.s

being a slave of the us basically right

but how is pakistan a slave of the us

when they have the strongest ties with

china when they have uh when when china

is their strongest uh defense partner

they're literally called iron brothers

because uh

because that is an inheritance of the

past

and pakistan is still um

apparently

the military still views pakistan as

dependent on the us's good graces

new direction

of

saying we're not going to be slaves

hanging out with khabirov

everybody has said that even noah sharif

said that in 2017 i interviewed um one

of the opposition party i interviewed

their foreign minister in 2017.

if you want to look into it you can i

also interviewed bilaw puto who is the

head of the pakistan people's party

they've all said similar things we will

no longer be slaves of the us everyone

has said these things it's this [ __ ]

alt media on twitter

who is trying to present this image

they're literally they literally sound

like pti spokespeople

at this point

holy [ __ ] i can't stand these mothers

what's pti

uh pakistan

saf it's the

pakistan movement for justice it's imran

khan's

political party

um

i've interviewed

pmln which is the pakistan muslim league

um uh it's another opposition party

they're the ones who are in power now

and the ppp the pakistan people's party

which was founded by zulfiqar ali bhutto

so okay

don't you think though that it has

something to do with the

the russian ukraine conflict

maybe something to do with it but let me

put it this way so imran khan clashes

with the army

he's the army's pro-us right

the army wants weapons from the us

yeah so they're pro-us

okay

nothing's free if you want to get

weapons from the u.s you have to tow the

u.s foreign policy line

right but there is no way in hell that

the u.s can affect pakistan's ties with

china i'm just telling you russia is not

as relevant in south asia as well i get

that but don't you think

so so the whole conflict is about

this relationship between pakistan to

the u.s

if you think yeah i guess so

in terms of um but

let me ask you something modi

is very pro-russia

bangladesh is very pro-russia

okay

none of their leaders are getting cooed

over their stances on russia

wait because pakistan's always been

pro-russia i mean india's always been

pro-russia

right but you're saying that it's it's

this

because because

because the us is used to being able to

count on pakistan

to be anti-russia

but i'm that's what i'm telling you the

south asia is a is a us versus china

battleground now not a u.s versus russia

battleground the u.s russia battleground

is global it's literally global no no

it's not it's no it's [ __ ] eastern

europe it's literally just limited to

eastern europe i'm telling you why is

the u.s

as a competitor in south asia why is

this why china have competing interests

in south asia

they're not on the same page they've

never been on the same page

okay sorry i feel bad

we can probably continue this off stream

it's fine it's fine

no i'm just i'm telling you

um

i i've been posting about this and i've

told you this before i feel like you're

doing this just to rile me up i'm

literally not

okay i'm just being an outside

foreign advocate

yeah

okay let me tell you something uh i'm

gonna read you something hold on one

one sec

hey

shut me up if i do that again i

shouldn't have done that that was [ __ ]

up i i don't care

i don't care okay all right

okay

i posted this today

top priority um

threat

multi-domain threat

by the pc

okay uh deterring aggregate while being

prepared to prevail in conflict when

necessary prioritizing the prc challenge

mainly in the indo-pacific

then the russia challenge in eastern

europe is secondary

it's not uh the us and russia are not

uh in conflict globally only in eastern

europe um

so the only threat posed by russia to

the u.s is one military and

confined to that region

but china is not only a military threat

to the us globally it's an economic

threat and it's an ideological threat

so these three things and that's why

u.s scholars and all of these officials

are saying that

the people's republic of china poses a

greater threat

to the us and the liberal international

order than the soviet union posed

throughout the cold war well then how is

the army able to be both pro-us and

be a reliable partner to china in the

long term exactly that that's what i'm

saying um and because all of these

factions

well don't you think the army okay this

is this is where i disagree with you

because i think if the army maintains a

general geopolitical stance of being

pro-us

with china as the only exception now i

understand china is the biggest threat

of the us i get that right so that's a

big exception

for the army to still you know for now

be pro china and pro us

but

for that to be its only exception right

to me i think pakistan's political

superstructure

is not adjusted to the xi jinping era of

china which is actually

it's actually um

political and not just economic anymore

and it's not even just geopolitical

anymore it's literally political in

terms of what russia is doing right so i

think in what imran khan's decision to

get closer to russia

was pakistan's way of adjusting its

superstructure toward the new

confrontation between china and the

united states

i don't know if pakistan's military

leadership

is going inside i think that with china

in a confrontation between the us and

china i don't think they are

when you're referring to base and

superstructure i don't think

it's

comprehensive enough so when i look at

international affairs when i analyze

international affairs i usually go with

marxist leninist international relations

theory which yes does take into

consideration base and superstructure

but i'm looking at it from one a global

and international level that's the most

important number two regional number

three domestic okay globally

so first of all what exactly did imran

khan do um that you're saying was move

closer to russia because i've said i've

literally said the same thing

all right so

right now there's a us-led political

global order right

okay

so

even though china is the number one

force undermining that order

economically

in terms of

political challenges to the us's

global order russia leads the way

fake news no

politically russia leads the way

politically politically and

china is leading the way with russia by

its side

no

china has led the way economically not

politically

but

economics is part of politics politics

is part of economics yeah i know but

only only russia is willing to disrupt

all precedent of international norms

and the world order as we know it the

international order as we know it

directly

because of its intervention in ukraine

that's literally it

and georgia

which remember the chinese

at that time let's be fair

china condemned russia's invasion of

georgia

because it wanted to cozy favor with the

liberals of

in the liberal establishment in china

which was friendly toward the us

you have a little bit of a eurocentric

view on this i'll tell you why because

if it's just military intervention in

their own backyard that's what you're

considering is you know disruptive

chinese

because there's the president of

post-war u.s led

international relations in a u.s lab

unipolar world war i know so so in 2020

when when china when the u.s condemned

china for invading india so called

invading india and then in 2017 when

china

was condemned by the us for invading

bhutan

so on and so forth these are two

examples that i'm giving you maybe not

to the same extent maybe not covered in

the western media to the same extent but

when the principle of international

relations is concerned

yeah i mean it was similarly called an

invasion i don't think that upset the

status quo or challenge the status quo

of the international order because okay

which which uh which let me ask you

something what's the most important

geostrategic region um for the us right

now to confront china it's not about

the geostrategic region in terms of like

the navy or resources it's not about

that

it's about the legal precedent of

willing being able to just invade

invasion it was an invasion that's what

the us

said it was the u.s said that the china

invaded india

yes

but it's it's a long disputed territory

that's how they understand no no no

because uh the us doesn't see it as

disputed anymore the us sees it because

india had unilaterally declared it

indian territory

when they literally called it an

invasion yeah

yeah but i'm telling you but i just

think that it wasn't an invasion it was

a confrontation between troops on both

sides with sticks

no

they literally called it an invasion

can you hear me hello

yeah

yeah so

here's one thing i wanted to mention um

russia has

always been pissed off at the u.s

because it does not respect

that that area that's the former soviet

union and it has the right to take

whatever action

uh it can all right let me just protect

it security but just that it's literally

just that region that's it okay let me

ask you a question

the soviet union

and the u.s what was that

that was a bipolar world

okay when the soviet union is gone the

u.s is in a unipolar world

all right

so it depends on what what era okay so

if you're gonna go with

19 so after stalin's death 1953 to

early 1971 i would say that the

principal contradiction was between the

us and china

um because

this soviet union pursued a policy of

dayton the u.s wasn't trying to know i

know i know you're right you're right

this i know what the soviet leadership

was trying to do they taunt

i get that

and i agree with you on the sino-soviet

split so you know that okay yeah no need

to say that but the objective fact is

that

the u.s and the soviet union were

they there was the difference between

china and the soviet union is that the

soviet union had an alternative

international system

china did not

soviet union had a a a communist world

so to speak that stretched from middle

east to africa to um asia whatever and

it was like it was its own world and it

was its own system

china's backyard was once again the

indo-pacific

and let me tell you something in every

single official strategy document you

know what it says it says the soviet

union never challenged u.s interests in

the indo-pacific and u.s

economic success success is directly

dependent on the indo-pacific they

actually say that in

today's strategy documents

that the indo-pacific was always the

most important geostrategic region for

the u.s economically and i can send you

these things

um and that the soviet union throughout

the cold war did not challenge the us

wait but the u.s

hold on but the u.s

you're dealing with the entire world

versus one reason

it's not just one region i'm talking

about what's most important for the us

where is most of the money coming from

even biden today says that the

indo-pacific is directed

but that for all these back then even

back then even back then so the entirety

of the world the entirety of the

post-war us was

had its geopolitical focus on the

indo-pacific

in terms of yeah where they get their uh

it doesn't make sense to me because all

of the political interventions the both

make sense to you

but i can send you the documents and you

can examine them for yourself i know i

know but the bulk of the us's political

interventions

was in latin america and you know

even the middle i mean

only the indo-pacific was the most

important thing for the u.s after the

post warrior

do you know pull up a map of the

indo-pacific can you can you do that i

know what it looks like

no i want your your chat to see it

i'm actually going to pull this i have

the documents

all right so this is it

yeah i mean i could see that now

but the entire post-war period that this

is

like that this is worth more than the

rest of the world i just don't

i i it's i find it very hard to believe

that that

like um well the us

like okay during the vietnam war right

you could say that but vietnam i mean

that's a bad case because vietnam was

out aligned with the soviet union

more and then china supported the

kimarus in cambodia so did the us

against vietnam so when it comes to the

us's activity in the indo-pacific

i think india is the only exception

because in vietnam right

the vietnam was seen as like a small

regional power which both china and the

us teamed up together with

to contain

and and that was an example actually of

the soviet world which was vietnam it

was like the local

lord

in the indo-pacific that represented the

soviet union's alternative international

system and that alternative

international system

was like also an economic system that

was completely opposed to the us bretton

woods order so

to me i think

i still think china was in the right in

the sino-soviet split

but china never established an

alternative international system to

challenge the us

how effective was the soviet union's

uh in terms of what in terms of

challenging the u.s very effective

economic

economic no

no no it was it was hard for the soviets

to spread that system they had beyond

political revolutions

so it couldn't spread through markets it

couldn't spread through voluntary

transactions so when it comes to when it

comes to um priorities for the us the

number one priority is economic number

two security number three ideological

hold on hold on i i get that right but

economically china had not had not begun

its reform and opening up until what

right 70s but the indo-indo-pacific

where china was involved in that

was the source

of

you know uh most of like the gdp etc gdp

growth etc

you're saying most of the us's gdp

growth came from this region

yeah

yeah during the

during the

post-war cold war

not in the uh not in the first few years

but in in the latter few years

before 1970 yeah i can give you the

statistics i have to look it up but

right now the india pacific accounts how

did china how did china threaten that

because china

wasn't forming economic relations with

these countries of course they did

there was no belt and road there was no

chinese industrial

alternative to the us i mean was china

investing in them to be a rival to the

us of course not

they were investing to expand their

influence and also compete with the

soviet union you're also freaking china

china would invest with weapons not with

economic

no they did

china was poor yeah but you know after

you know the first few years when the

soviet union began helping them

especially you know when they're in

their industries were growing a little

bit then they began

expanding

um and uh supporting different countries

especially in the indo-pacific

with aid and etc

albania isn't a great example it's not

in the indo-pacific but

cuba

also you know they gave what they

could

but i don't think that threatened the us

i these

you're taking these individual examples

i'm trying to

get you to look at the bigger picture

all i'm trying to tell you is that

politically

russia is still the us's enemy number

one that's changing now i get it

but i think we can come to an agreement

that ideologically and politically the

soviet union in the u.s that was the

primary contradiction

but i do think

that for a specific uh time maybe you

know

as short as it was

i think that the u.s viewed china as a

bigger threat than the soviet union

especially under democratic

administrations jfk being one example

i do believe the jfk thing

um

i am convinced on that that jfk did

see china as a very very big threat

you know he got into nuke china i know

but that that was also more

in line with

containing china's abilities

because china had not china was not yet

a threat they just knew that it could

become one

in the future and they wanted to repress

and contain china

so under eisenhower eisenhower um

that's pretty much where jfk got that

containing china strategy from

eisenhower wanted daytaunt with

khrushchev what year did he meet with

khrushchev

um he

literally met with khrushchev and

um

i remember there was a conversation

between mao and khrushchev where um mao

was warned don't piss off the us while

i'm meeting with eisenhower

and after that

the soviet union um decided to cancel

um their nuclear aid to china and that's

literally what started the sign of

soviet split

yeah it was

i i understand that but

this is what i'm trying to tell you okay

it's just this i know i'm not

disagreeing with you but you're just not

listening to what i'm saying okay

that's just called being a woman it's

okay whatever try so the soviet union

there was an international communist

world order now was it led by

revisionists yes

was it led by traders yes khrushchev was

a traitor the establishments were all

traitors

but you also have to understand there

was a political infrastructure in place

that was a challenge to the us

international order i'm talking about

state power okay okay there was a state

power an international state power okay

that challenged american hegemony

in terms of statehood and in terms of

laws legally as a system okay a

political system right

and

you're right those people sold china out

to the us because they were traders they

were revisionists

and they wanted to consolidate what they

had and they didn't want

to spread they didn't want to um

they didn't want to uh do the final push

and like win at like for international

communism whatever they wanted to stay

where they were comfortably and just

have peace with the us and both of the

u.s ruling class and their revisionist

click

would have you know a win-win situation

where they just so don't you think yeah

okay go on you're not listening

okay

so it's hard china was a counter

china was not a counter-hegemonic force

to the soviet union

china was a force

of civil war within the communist world

for example in the soviet union itself

what the

bruce chavite and

revisionist click feared the most

was that during the cultural revolution

for example china was going to spread

that to siberia and the isolated regions

of the russian countryside and those

people were going to rise up and

overthrow the uh the bureaucracy and

restore stalinism right and they were

scared shitless of that okay

so

that was a give that that's the threat

china posed it was an internal thing to

the communist world okay but

china itself didn't have its own

international system it was a force

within the existing

international system which and and

that's that's the that's the paradox

what we're i mean that's the tragedy of

what we're talking about is that the

soviet leadership

sold out the communist world system

because they were so scared of the

chinese chinese-style revolution

that would have

um overthrown the current leaders of the

communist world order okay so it was an

internal affair

the communist world order

now

i think we're coming at it from two

different

points i think that your

argument is ideological and and no it's

not because i'm not political

yeah but politics is literally about the

barrel of a gun violence that's what i'm

talking about

i'm talking about political state power

okay geopolitics isn't only about

the barrel of a god right but when

you're talking about international

relations you're talking about a series

of norms precedents and treaties and i'm

taking in that into consideration yes

that's what i'm talking about okay so

you have you have that

and

forget about like regions forget about

resources and forget about like areas

i'm just talking about

on the legal side of things

russia has always been more of a threat

to the us when it comes to that than

china because russia because china has

tried for the past two decades to hide

its strength and bide its time

and it has never taken the step of

engaging in an act

of transforming the world order and now

i'm gonna clarify what i mean don't jump

on me

an act is something you do that is a

direct matter of political will

china has been slowly and gradually

undermining this world order but not as

an act

but as like uh changing it materially

and economically okay

in terms of an actual action

you have to press a button

and do it

with no way of having any precedent

or like knowing um

what the consequences of it is gonna be

and only russia

was willing to do that up until now

you can that's

fine you can think that but that is not

how there's no equivalent to russia's

taking of your uh invasion of georgia

we're looking at it purely from a

military security perspective

that's it if russia hadn't done this

ukraine thing right

entirely on china there was still syria

though

i mean at the end of the day who's gonna

put nukes in venezuela and put in

military base in venezuela it's gonna be

russia which which country has more

military bases globally china or russia

of course china does

but it's not going to put a military

base in venezuela

who cares about south america

because that's in the us's back because

i'm saying i care about it because it's

in the us's back door it's right in

front of the u.s but that doesn't matter

i'm telling you it's low priority

low priority for the us when it comes to

confronting china and russia it's

lower priority than the [ __ ] arctic

okay the us a [ __ ] russian military

base in venezuela would literally make

the us leadership [ __ ] its pants no

yes it would what are you talking about

oh my gosh

they would literally go to war over that

and what what are the chances of that

happening i'm telling you that well if

anyone has if anyone has the will to do

it it would be russia not china okay so

so we're we're discussing hypothetical

situations now well i'm it's an example

of how russia acts russia does the act

wonderful what about china's military

bases in africa all over the

indo-pacific china has been doing

focusing this is the difference okay

it's like this china's playing the long

game

and i get that

but russia's actually doing it

as an act

i mean if military bases are the example

that you're using that's the long game

that's the wrong game now let's look at

let's look at russia's military when has

china ever put send its troops to the

middle east like syria or something and

directly

contradicted like imagine like could you

imagine china sending troops to syria

i mean there was talk of it and i think

that if chinese interests are threatened

i think that they will send troops to

someone's border i think the fact that

india is a nuclear power aligned with

the us the fact that they had

an open dispute two nuclear powers

that did

challenge the order more so than

anything else because like you said two

nuclear pl powers also in a region

that's disputed between three nuclear

powers

all right let me explain to you the u.s

perspective on india okay

no no no no i you're you're trying to

explain to me the u.s perspective

yeah this is what the us thinks of india

okay

the us sees india

as a country they see it as an archaic

balkan-like

conflict they don't they don't see india

as like israel they don't see it like

that they don't see india as like

you know um

the foremost defender of u.s interests

they see that conflict as an archaic

conflict okay there is bipartisan

consensus that this region because of

the number of nuclear

um powers

in that vicinity neighbors they're all

neighbors

that that's the most

volatile um yeah it's volatile but

they don't see india as like

they don't see india like how they see

ukraine

they don't see india like how they see

india is india is the number one ally of

the u.s when it comes to countering

china read the indo-pacific strategy i

understand elements of the china

challenge of the state department read

the national defense strategy i get that

there okay i get that

okay would you deny that china tried to

keep its head down when it comes to the

majority of things the u.s

is involved with who would be more

likely to come to saddam's aid

china or in or russia

it depends on the region again i don't

think that the middle east is as

relevant anymore in the global scheme

literally anywhere in the world except

china's own backyard

and what is ukraine russia's own

backyard yeah but who's yeah but guess

what if if the us were to right now

invade venezuela

and take it out oh my gosh look listen

you're not looking at it from an

international law perspective i am

literally no you're not because russia

has raised the most contentions

when it comes to the us's violations of

international law

and russia looks at it like hey

i we used to share power with you

america and then you said we're going to

have this era of peace but you're acting

in an unfair way

and we don't want to be par we're going

to you know they're challenging the

us-led global order on legal terms

formal terms let me ask you something so

i disagree with you i do not think that

russia violated international law when

it was invited by the syrian government

to help syria erratically i know i know

but

now if did did syria ask china to help

them out did they request assistance

from china

hey do you know why russia do you know

why russia went to syria

that's not my question i'm talking about

international law and the principle of

international that wasn't

if they had asked china to do that i

feel i mean they didn't so

who reacted more harshly to the 2004

invasion of iraq

china or russia

neither

i can't

give you a problem

all putin said was like i don't think

that saddam has weapons of mass

destruction china also made the same who

made it a bigger fuss over it and made

an issue over it more

well

it's uh traditional in

russian foreign policy to make a fuss a

public fuss about things

um yeah i get that

but

all right i get that but um

who like for example

why is it that russia is the one who

interfered in our election and not china

no the republicans said that china

interfered in an election right now the

media that never that never became a

meme that never became a meme because

that was just the response to what they

said about russia it'd never be public

no republicans don't have control of the

media it's dominated by liberals so of

course liberals are going to say russia

interfered and yeah liberals don't just

control the media they control

everything

yeah which is why their narrative is

going to but they're the ones in power

they are america liberals are america

republicans are not right and guess what

guess what guess what the democrats

think the democrats view china as a

bigger threat than russia it's in every

single strategy that's fine why is

russia villainized more than china

because russia makes a fuss out of

things

okay even okay even if we look at it

just from that perspective of making a

fuss okay let's just begin from there

making a fuss okay

making a fuss

is infowar

changes perceptions

it's politics

that's what we're talking about here

making a fuss makes a difference

in 2008 let me ask you something between

2008 and let's say 2011.

uh okay

what would be more intelligent to

contain china if you want to contain

china let me ask you this

wouldn't it be smarter to allow for more

russian european economic integration

and wouldn't it be smarter for the us to

give more concessions to russia and to

be like hey russia listen we're going to

look the other way for crimea team up

with us join up with us

like they could have done all of those

things for decades they had multiple

opportunities putin wanted to join nato

right the russians kept going to the us

and they were you know they were they

were open to it and they were like hey

we can team up whatever and if the u.s

said hey let's team up against china i

don't think the russian leadership at

that time was that principled especially

under yeltsin right they would have been

more than open to it you're ignoring and

neglecting that

yeah it's eurocentric with the balkan

war with serbia and everything which was

the beginning of the rift between rush

russian u.s relations but

you have to understand that

this is what you're not getting our

world order is still dominated by europe

they own it politically

they politically own the world

so that conflict

where

and

where are they getting

so where are they getting their money

from where

which region is their economy dependent

on not europe

i'm giving you the west

where

so what i'm going to give you the

western dependence on africa latin

america

yes it is

[ __ ] i'll give you a direct quote

this is in biden's white house strategy

hold on

he said

um

the economic uh success and

direct dependent on the indo-pacific

okay i know the indo-pacific's a very

important region of the world but

it's more important than africa you can

in the middle east you okay listen the

prospect what do we get from the

indo-pacific it's the indo-pacific it's

the sea

it's the transport yes it's the sea

no it's everything what okay so

vietnamese rice controls the world is

that what you're saying no the

indo-pacific accounts for sixty percent

of the world's current gross domestic

product and contributions

growth domestic present global economic

growth hold on let me finish yeah

because of india which has over a

billion people

no no it's not just it's india it's

indonesia yeah those are there's a lot

of people that live there

that doesn't mean that it's the biggest

driving force of growth in the west it's

not

it is

trade and investment in this dynamic

region are vital to the security and

prosperity of the united states and

reflective in more than 1.9 trillion in

two-way trade with the association of

southeast asian nations serving as the

number one destination for u.s foreign

direct investment in 10 years the region

will host two thirds of the world's

population and two-thirds of the global

economy okay that that's what it was

two-thirds of the world's population

of the global economy

okay but you don't i don't think we know

what okay when you're talking about what

is europe reliant on economically

they're also they also have their own

indo-pacific strategy

the eu it's out there you can just

google it you can look it up and they

say the same [ __ ] [ __ ] okay then why

doesn't france have cfac in

the indo-pacific why does it still have

the cfac currency in west africa why

does france send troops to west africa

why is africa so important

africa is important to france

specifically but i'm talking about the

eu as a whole

they value the indo-pacific more than

they value africa i'm sorry but what do

they get from the

indo-pacific this exact same thing that

the us gets what is that because i mean

just like

gdp growth

okay don't tell me gdp growth tell me

what do they get physically

minerals minerals

from africa

not right now that's going to change

though i i agree that's going to change

with the transition to green energy

they're going to get most of their

lithium and their other

minerals rare earth minerals

specifically from africa why didn't you

just say you could have just said

it's the investment banks

fdr you know i mean it's a two-way thing

it's not like a oh

just say the investment banks

okay fine because that's what drives the

u.s econo the european and u.s economies

it's based on finance

so you could say investments i'm giving

you

is i'm not giving you my opinion here i

am actually

literally giving you what they're saying

so you can dispute it but i'm not i this

is not my argument okay i don't

this is what i'm trying to say okay

okay the world

is much bigger than the indo-pacific

okay

and the economy

global economy

okay what percentage of the global

economy does the indo-pacific now

constitute

if you okay if you're gonna say that

both china and india are part of the

indo-pacific the entirety of china

you're you have a [ __ ] map yeah i

know but it's just like not fair because

these countries both have over a billion

people

and china

china's interests

stretch the world

and yeah okay right now it's only

one right now it's only 15 is that's

what someone in chat said

no it's not

all right so even if 60 let's say in 10

years 60 percent

let me i'm looking

let's say in 10 years 60 percent of the

world's the indo-pacific okay it's a

majority but there's still forty percent

of the world

that matters

okay

but

all right so it's it's not indo-pacific

the rest of the world it's by region

right to you flushed face

shut up how do i get rid of this

donation okay

all right

sorry what were you saying

okay i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you

exactly how the u.s

not my argument don't attack me

this is the messenger okay okay key

priority regents number one the

indo-pacific number two eastern europe

may i finish okay

number three the middle east and africa

north africa specifically number four

arctic number five latin america

um so these are the priority that's not

how the world is is divided oh i forgot

about the arctic

that's where all minerals and natural

resources are gonna come from

okay so it's more important than latin

america was the original argument that i

was making

you're trying to say that

that russia's basically peanuts that

china's the only thing that matters

no i think that russia is very important

but do you think that russia has the

ability to challenge the liberal

international order economically

politically militarily the same way that

china does

no but china does not yet have the

political

will

power okay so that's will not

so that you know what that's that's

different but i'm talking why were

people saying for example that since

russia is doing this in ukraine china

should now take taiwan because russia

proved the willpower as an inspiration

to china

beautiful that's lovely they have the

will to do it

which [ __ ] matters it matters if you

have the will

power because that means you are

politically

challenging

the world order you don't just have the

potential to

you're politically challenging it

you don't know how much the chinese

status quo and institutions are ruled by

america loving liberals

it's a lot

um

china's having a cultural revolution

right now

where people

from the

like middle class

are having this kind of like trump style

rebellion against their own elites and

they love putin in russia because that's

their inspiration to

challenge those elites

in china

i mean yeah that are in china right now

all right so i

was gonna say something but i forgot

what i was gonna say and it was a very

important point

ability versus willpower so let's just

say

something happens and then russia does

get peeled away from china china will

have the ability

china will have the ability to challenge

not just the us but the liberal

international order economically

politically and militarily all right can

i russia does not have this ability

all right can i say this

all right so china's used to dealing

with its own backyard right

yes all right well the us governs the

whole [ __ ] world okay

and china is used to that and has

maneuvered and worked around that hide

your strength by your time right

it's worked around that

only russia says no [ __ ] you us the

world must be governed in a different

way

as a whole the whole [ __ ] world

that's the difference i'm talking about

no cause

i disagree with you

and in 10 years i will be proven right

and you will be so so wrong

and i can't wait

but

the important thing is you're wrong

and you have a very sort of european

perspective where you only respect

military might where i'm i'm taking

everything together

yeah but military might is

that i

um i feel like

the more feminine i make my voice the

more you concede so i'm going to kiss oh

i don't that's not true

well this was fun

i just want to make it clear to chat

that there is no samira has split

there is no khan vs khan split

we still do fundamentally agree on the

sino-soviet split we're still on the

same page we're still allies and i still

think he's wonderful

and he's a sweetheart

what do you mean sweetheart

i was trying to be nice

i don't know

what do you mean by no no i was i was

literally calling you sweetheart and hun

during the debate

you didn't notice that

yeah you didn't hear

i did not

oh gosh did chat notice

um

yeah

so okay

second of all

um

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my feminine wild to win debates

uh i just think you know

this is i think you have a very exciting

no you wanna talk about that you have a

feminine mentality you think

mother earth is just gonna take its

course and a man doesn't have to act

that's what you think

no you have the mother gaia perspective

you just think mother you think mother

nature will take its course

i love what you're doing right now you

know you know i'm right it's over

you literally know i'm right it's

literally first of all this is gonna

debate we're having a discussion okay

maybe i use the wrong word debate we're

having a discussion okay yeah um no i

don't think that mother earth will take

over of course willpower matters

but

ability matters more

would you agree

yes

but

okay okay here's the contradiction

between ability and willpower okay

your willpower doesn't just

exist just because you have the ability

willpower is the result of a very

specific structural and positional

structural position in relation

uh in relations of power

so will the willpower comes from the

structure of

international and global power okay

just because you have the ability does

not mean okay

who is this [ __ ]

in chat saying

all right who is it i'll just ban them

no no don't don't ban them no it's funny

it's funny don't call ha sweetie during

a debate i feel like you'd hate it if

positive to you no i wouldn't mind

actually all right vari if you want to

stay for the rest of the night you have

to give 50 subs okay

you only gifted five subs i'm just

kidding i'm just kidding

i'm just kidding just kidding

but yeah honestly you should debate like

you should you should gift like 10 subs

you know honestly

but uh oh my gosh we actually gave your

audience some really good content

tonight

yeah

lots of tension between us

guys you shouldn't side with me in this

debate because offline

she's gonna complain about you and then

i'll have to ban you um say well

so

um

you know what get hancho out of here for

the day he's he's up for that he's done

enough get him out of here for the whole

day you can come back tomorrow

you know what i love about this is that

now i know

how to speak to you

this has been a learning experience for

me

why

no if i make my voice more feminine and

more sexy that's not when you're more

inclined

that's literally not true

okay

let's see what chat thinks

chat literally believes anything if i

tell chad

they'll literally believe anything they

don't if i tell chat that uh

if yeah if i tell them that um

well let me think of some [ __ ] to make

up

if i tell them that like

the reason you're conceding with to me

right now in the debate you're doing so

poorly

is because um

you uh

it's because i shaved my beard or some

[ __ ] don't believe it oh my gosh oh my

gosh this is amazing

they'll actually believe it don't

believe me let me ask you something i

have a question um when it comes to

women debating men what do you think is

more effective women acting like men or

women embracing their femininity it

depends if the guy can look past it and

i look past it i focus on the meat and

potatoes i don't care about

the presentation

um

okay

i just think you're not nuke-pilled you

know like you don't believe you do have

to press the button one day no i'm the

one

i'm the one who used the nuke argument

when it came to china india and pakistan

and that's why i said it's more

significant you're talking about it as a

bluff i'm talking about hitting the

button

okay

less flirting more geopolitics no i mean

i like both i think we can do both at

the same time

uh

we're not flirting guys come on

you talking about

that's haram

that's literally

are you kidding

yeah in a ring all right anyway

um

anyway did you have fun tonight

uh

this is like every day

oh okay enormous so there was nothing

there was nothing

about having me on and us having a uh

heated discussion for the first time

might have made the um that's how the

podcast is gonna be anyway so

i'm not gonna

argue with you on that

no because i shouldn't have been so um

combative tonight

it's disrespectful it is right

i don't know i just didn't want to like

destroy you like this

i look look all i'm saying is hey can i

tell you something though i want to tell

you where the difference this is where

the difference is

you're saying that this circle is the

whole world i'm saying the world is

bigger than that

no that's not what i'm [ __ ] saying

i'm saying that in terms of

the globe this region is the most

consequential

to

whatever happens on this [ __ ] earth

i don't agree with it

okay well you cannot agree with it but

that's what the us thinks and that's

what the eu thinks so

paws versus the us and the eu

so on the asia oh asia as a whole is

sixty percent

no the indo-pacific just the

indo-pacific no no i looked it up in the

[ __ ]

um white house documents [ __ ]

population total east asia and pacific

is 2.3 billion

2.3 billion now

huh

now google the indo-pacific

okay on indo-pacific indo-pacific

population

it's gonna say 4.5 billion that's not

true that's all of asia combined

you're wrong

no that's all of asia combined you're

wrong no

look at this all right i'm gonna show

you this is what they'll say

i'm not gonna look at it because i've

done research i've read every single

[ __ ] document on this

every strategy report i know more about

this than you

yeah but it's just admit it

you can disagree with it

india plus china is what two billion

okay and indonesia is the other biggest

one

in pakistan

oh gosh i don't know if pakistan's

included in it though

sweetheart listen why don't you look at

all the countries of the

indo-pacific and look at their

respective populations and then

look look look i'll tell you add up all

right look at this china india

2 billion pakistan is what 300 how many

countries are in the indo-pacific how

many countries i don't know how much

this is something stupid the pakistan

population it's like it's like

200 million okay really are we really

gonna argue about like indonesia 300

million 2.5

and then i'll just be generous and say

round up to three million for the rest

of them it's only three three billion

people

no

how many countries are in the

indo-pacific

i don't know

i'm not

all of this combined is like i just

think that that has

something

that's not significant that's

it's half of the world it's not the most

no

you know what lost coat you're getting

banned for five days he said 4.5 billion

including the middle east

why would you no no it's not the middle

east isn't included but i looked up the

indo-pacific population and it's saying

and it's saying get this

indo-pacific population 4.561 billion

yeah you're wrong that look at the map

next to that number

look at the map next to that number

that's literally all of asia and eastern

europe okay um which are the

sorry what are the countries in the

indo-pacific

when i look it up no one will say it

indo-pacific countries and then type in

gov or something

what countries are in there it's not a

it's not like a neatly defined region

yes it is

the u.s state department

anywhere in the world okay popular okay

here i found something i found something

all right

i found something let's read it through

okay

after so much digging i found something

okay sub-regions

western asia

central asia south asia east oh yeah see

they don't even have the indo-pacific

bro

bro bro i have it okay you're not my

brother link it on twitter link it on

twitter

it's the white house so i'm sending it

to you right now

where

i'm giving it to you hold on

this is taking far too long

all right fine we can move on to

something else oh link it

i'm getting it once just saying hurry

okay well i it's gonna take me a bit of

time i have to find properly

um

all right

the thing is i don't understand why

we're arguing about something so

insignificant when we could be arguing

about something else

not arguing but we could be having a

discussion about something else uh i did

want to tell your chat something but you

interrupted me before but um whenever we

have these

heated discussions off stream on the

phone for hours and hours you usually do

end up coming around to my view

i can't agree with you because my view

is arctic based and your view is

tropical based

[ __ ] what

oh my god people are saying like haram

things in the chat

that's the truth your view is but it's

making me laugh my view is

arctic and your view is tropical

bull

[ __ ] [ __ ] yeah i believe the arctic

is the future you believe

the tropics is the future i'm the one

who first mentioned the arctic in this

conversation

you were talking about south america and

[ __ ]

i'm talking about the rest military base

in venezuela and then i'm the one who

mentioned the arctic you have to take

all of these regions and look at how

they relate

to the world

that's international relations theory

that's more importantly marxist leninist

international relationships

the indo-pacific is not the most

important

it is you

holy [ __ ] what the [ __ ] man

holy [ __ ]

oh my gosh

i like wish i was with you in person

right now because then i could convince

you

i don't believe it i don't believe it

sorry that sounded wrong um

i don't believe it is

well

you don't read

um

i do read i don't think it is

it is

i promise you

what did samira mean by that exactly

what you thought i meant i'm just

kidding

um

i love your chat so much they're the

best

has i

have been

researching this specific issue

i've been reporting on it

since 2016. i've read every single

strategy document of the us and the eu

and every other western country

that uh make up the so-called

liberal internet all right like i could

believe

you okay you know what your issue is you

confused the underlying material with

the

you confuse the base in the

superstructure and that's your problem

you can't do the same thing they're not

the same thing no no no no no no i'm not

that's not what i'm doing

yeah

okay

some homework for you wait you're

recording

with marxist leninist international

relations theory hold on

can you hear me yes you're confusing the

movement of economic base

political superstructure

listen haas listen no

holy [ __ ]

you need to familiarize yourself with

marxist-leninist international relations

theory it does include

some of that yes like i said before

but

it's a totally different way of thinking

and

you just really need to look into it um

this is what i went to school for

yeah study internationally like your

basis

you're basically saying that russia in

ukraine is

peanuts

and that couldn't be like the primary

driving cause of the coup in pakistan

that's actually what it what it started

with right like our argument yeah no i i

don't think i think it played a factor

yeah i didn't think it made any factors

i'm not denying that i was actually

trying to i was actually trying to okay

this this let's

let's break down let's break it down

this is what i was trying to say okay

let's break it down

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so

the u.s

it's the world order hold on sorry let

me interrupt you for a second someone

made a comment compare um what's his

name

hogan's

performance with samira's this just

happened out of nowhere this wasn't

supposed to happen there was supposed to

be no debate this wasn't a debate i

still contend that this was not a debate

this was a healthy discussion

between me and haas all right okay

and i would love to end this on a good

note so you can continue

covering the news

i am no longer

arguing with you we will discuss this

it's up to no no i i don't want to talk

about this topic until i give you all of

the information

and we can't do that now i don't think

that it's fair for us to debate this

when you don't have the information that

i have so let me pass that on to you

first and i want you to read it process

it and then you can

all right

so you sent it to me just now

no no no i didn't i'm going to do it

later

like you can't read these 100 page

documents

on stream

all right

at least did you have fun at least

i've made you tired

you don't understand this is my job

anything that can pass time i don't care

so why i always have to find

why am i not on stream more often

uh

i don't know because you never

you never asked you're you're the guy

you're supposed to ask me

because then you're gonna come on you're

gonna be all right what do you want me

to say and i don't know no

i mean i created this content

this is all me

i feel like everything always comes down

to this circle you know like we went

from ukraine to this circle right

right because i

i'm gonna send you something okay

this is not just the defense strategy

there is agreement across all sectors

that these are the priority regions okay

i'm gonna have you look at this

because i don't you okay you want me to

tell you where i disagree with you

no i don't want you to tell me where you

disagree can i say one thing

no

oh my god okay fine

okay perfect

i sent you something on twitter

all right okay but i can't say anything

but you can send this to me

well i'm gonna say it anyway

china does not just belong to this

region that's you know what samira i'm

actually going to turn the stables on

you

you have a very anglo saxon

sea based view of the world

all right

listen

china is not just relevant in that part

of the world but that part of the world

to the us is the most important china as

well

because that is the argument i've been

trying to because the us is a sea-based

power

i know that but i'm just saying china's

power is land-based

eurasia mongolia and the us takes

consideration china takes that into

consideration okay

fine now will you please

pull up the screenshot i sent you

you're only okay we get it all right let

me pull it up

all you're saying here is that

oh yes the top priority is china i get

it

i never denied that

multi-domain threat

yeah i get that

russia is an acute threat

what is the definition

of a multi-domain threat and what is the

definition of an acute threat can you

please define those terms for me

what where's okay russ opposes acute

threats

as illustrate yeah like specific threats

okay

what is the difference between an acute

threat and i don't know i don't know if

there's a cute threat tie no wait acute

threats also means um

that just it doesn't only

look

look prioritizing prc challenging and so

that's a region russia is also a region

in europe so they see it

but priority

the priority is the prc challenge in the

indo-pacific

then

then the russia challenge in europe also

the prc is a quote

multi-domain threat

okay i think russia

you what you think is irrelevant i'm

trying to i just think you understand

dialectics i think russia represents i

understand dialectics i'm not trying to

say okay here's one thing that you need

to stop doing stop telling me that i

don't understand something when you're

the one who's not familiar with these

concepts in the first place yes no

you're not [ __ ] familiar with it

because all of this information that i'm

bringing to you is [ __ ] new

that's not true i saw it i saw this

i always saw the tweet okay

i i knew this before the [ __ ] tweet

i've known this for years okay

no i've always known yeah you know look

up what i said look up what i've said

about china i always said china is the

number one threat to the u.s but

but that's the base in brussels that's

the argument that i was trying to make

but you also need no you said you said

china's both the base and the

superstructure no i did not say any of

that and that russia is just peanuts i

said that you need to you need to

study marxist leninist international

relations theory which does incorporate

the democrats based on superstructure

very geopolitical and then you need to

come back to asia okay set back by

nearly 10 years because the ukraine

russia conflict thank you woodburn

say that again

uh these statements just reinforced

ozil's point because it shows the

democrats fumble the primary

geopolitical focus the pivot to asia has

been set back by nearly 10 years because

of the ukraine russia conflict it hasn't

that's not true

it hasn't china the base

russia the superstructure it's that

[Applause]

it's that simple

anyway it's that simple

do you understand what i just said right

now you do i feel like i've said that

before

what have you said

nothing

i'm just a little bit i think you're

saying china is both the base and the

superstructure no you those concepts are

not comprehensive enough

for international relations okay what

what's missing

you need to look at marxist leninist

international okay

study it

you need to study all of the levels and

frames of analysis i'm not gonna teach

you this i'm not an international

relationship i don't think emmanuel

walters

on your own

emmanuel wallerstein was not a marxist

leninist

i'm not talking about emmanuel

wallerstein there are several other

others name one

no i'm going to have you look into it on

your own i'm not you need to actually

i think that you are to a certain extent

because i'm actually very impressed that

you mentioned emmanuel um waller scene

yeah but that's you know all that stuff

samir i mean all that stuff it's all

bs

it's it's not marxist leninist it's not

marxist lending at all

it's not bs

and i don't think i never said that

emmanuel wallerstein was a marxist

lettuce but

i mean

hold on

can i finish may i finish

no no i'm not going to give you any

examples because i want you to do this

on your own i'm not going to direct you

to certain people you need to do this on

your own

i understand dugan

okay we need to

have a discussion off stream about this

okay i know i know what you're gonna say

too all right

what am i gonna say

something about

monotheism

what

all right look i know what you're going

to say about it i know what you're going

to say about what am i going to say

what do you think i'm going to say about

dugan it's

japan related

no

indeed like why

i'm going to say something about do good

why i mean we've had a conversation

about dugan before have i ever said

anything negative yes

like what

i'm not saying it

what did i say

you're blushing

you're smiling right now because you

know i'm right no you're not right

you're not i am right

okay i'd say something simple china's

the base russell super so you say it's

more complicated why is it more

complicated

it is more complicated why i think that

you can it is more complicated but i

actually think that i am simplifying it

and you're making it really complex no

i'm simplifying it i said that china is

a multi-domain threat russia is not

period that's it

all right

in the base

not the superstructure russia oh my gosh

doesn't doesn't the us talk about

russian interference around the world

the us also talks more about chinese

debt traps along around the world nah

they talk about russia politically

hacking the election disinformation

information warfare is superstructure

huh

the information warfare is super

structured

okay okay let's hold on one second

but

what about the debt traps the so-called

debt traps

those are just tabloid publicized [ __ ]

it's not like the foremost

threat to the world peace that they're

saying about russia you you're

you don't think that so-called chinese

economic intimidation that's what they

call it chinese um economic influence

around the world the belton road

initiative which is part of what they

see is the whole debt trap diplomacy

that's that's not more consequential

than in russian information warfare

where you know

a whole problem goes down everywhere yes

it's consequential

as the base

i feel like you're arguing you think

they're the same thing they're not

you're you're totally arguing just to

like flirt right now because you're not

making any sense no i'm not

okay

sure

why do i need to fly you're smiling why

do i need to flirt

because it's what you always do with me

i do the same thing oh really

and why do i need to flirt

you tell me

no you tell me

you always do it i do it too

i never do it

what

never

of course you do i've always been

straightforward

i mean you can

be

straightforward when you're flirting

right

i don't hide anything okay i'm always

direct

but why do you think i'm saying that

you're hiding something

as you're saying i'm only doing this to

flirt why what do you mean i'm always

with the floor no i mean i feel like

this is

an intellectual war and i think that

that's part of it it's not i'm just

um

i'm just asking questions holy [ __ ]

oh the comments are so funny

oh i have so many things to say but i

can't say why

why do you think sam say whatever you

want i'm not gonna sign are you sure

yeah are you sure do you want me to say

everything

yeah i don't care as long as it's not to

us

it might be i'm just kidding

as long as it's not against groups it's

fine

no i'm not gonna not gonna

incriminate us

i don't care you can say whatever you

want

then

you know you do it

do what

[Laughter]

okay you're not the only one blushing

i'm blushing too so you're the one who

brought it up i don't have anything to

hide i

you know

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get

what

no talk

talk about what

you're driving this conversation now

right yeah i'm saying it's the base and

superstructure okay

i concede

damn you're right about everything

i'm wrong about everything

there you go that's awesome

um

this isn't about politics anymore yeah

aflix is right

that's such a cold holy [ __ ]

what

that's such a culp

still about politics

oh it is still about politics um

i was like no i don't concede i'm just

you know

why are you so sometimes

how am i awkward i'm not the one who's

awkward you're the one who's blushing

i'm not blessing how am i blushing you

totally are blushing it's so funny oh

i'm not i'm literally

it's adorable because of my filter

your what i'm orange because of my

filter i'm not blushing

that's not what blushing is okay samira

why would i need to blush

i'm not gonna answer that question

no answer

no

would i need to blush

yeah i think so

why why

i am

yeah i guess

is it because i'm such a mystery

no you're attractive

yeah i know but like

is it because i'm like is it because

like

we just don't know each other that well

what

that's what i'm saying

oh are you baiting me you are totally

baiting me oh my god i'm i'm not i'm

saying

we don't know each other that well you

know are you sure

yeah we met like once

oh my gosh i'm not stupid hus i know

what you're trying to do

what am i trying to do i i'm not going

to tell everybody i'm not going to tell

a 600 viewers

but if that's what you think you think

you don't know me well and you think we

have not spent time together then that's

yeah we met for like five minutes on

stream

oh okay i mean even your chat knows

that's fake news

a lot of fake news

look we have a very professional

interaction okay and

we both

there's no need all this stuff you're

talking about is like

doesn't make sense

oh five minute doggy that's hilarious

why would you read that out what the

[ __ ]

i mean it doesn't mean it's true i'm

just reading it out because it's funny

and i knew it would uh

make this a little bit more awkward

um

well at least i gave you great content

thanks to me

okay

yeah and they're loving this they think

it's hilarious

and i'm fine with them laughing at us

but

what i do disagree with

is the contention that we're nerds i

don't think we're nerds do we look like

nerds

yeah

how

you're like this alpha muscular good

looking dude

you don't look like the typical nerd

yeah but like

what else is there to talk about you

know

um i can't wait for our haters to watch

and react to the stream

all right what would they say

i mean do you remember their body

language analysis video and how everyone

reacted to our um stream oh yeah yeah um

when vasperi uh when we did that stream

together at the conference yeah and vos

was like look how haaz is um

when he turned his head to samira he's

posing for the camera

what instead of like whispering

something to her

i mean i i guess he's saying that that

was an act but no it was natural that's

just our chemistry

well to be fair that was like the first

time we met

sure

was that that consciousness

say well

so like

i was i was really i was really nervous

and like i was trying to like impress

you and stuff as a first impression and

stuff and like

when everyone was saying like oh has

fumbled the bag and

he saw he's so bad at flirting and [ __ ]

like

they were all right because

that was the first time i had met you

you know like

i was shy okay i was really shy

[ __ ] up

yes

at that point we knew each other pretty

well let's just say

no i was that was the

that was the first time we met and i was

really shy

sure

um i i you know you're not

i um

i'm i don't you know i believe in

i don't you know i'm not a haram guy

okay i just

i'm not uh

you know

yeah i'm a girl or anything either so

what are you talking about

what are you alluding to haas i'm just

saying i only talk to women on stream

that's it

talk to women on stream what do you do

off stream

i never talk to any women at all

so what do you do besides talking

i

mean nothing i would never do anything

more than talking are you kidding me

oh my gosh

i never do anything but talk

okay sure

yeah like i don't even look at women are

you kidding me

you look at men like jackson right

uh

horse

okay

it's not haram

it's brotherly

okay

um they're saying i'm making you weak i

don't think so i think that i

fuel your masculinity

what the [ __ ] are you talking about

[Laughter]

what do you mean you fuel what do you

think i think how i think that so

extremely feminine um women they

they sort of embrace that and they like

masculine men

so they encourage it

whereas masculine women do the opposite

they try to like soify and and betify

men you see what i'm saying

yeah but why would you need to encourage

it if it wasn't a given

no i'm i'm

yeah no you can do that it's it is a

given 100

but i'm also like i love it like i

embrace it

i think it's awesome

i was very shy around you the whole time

and like

i was like fumbling the bag

say well

and it's honestly because i don't know

how to talk to women

say well i don't know how to interact

around them i'm just you know what

i'm too shy and nervous i don't know how

to interact

is the only woman that truly gets you i

agree with that oh what are you saying

that walsh is wrong get out of here

i'm the only female that gets you

100 true

what the [ __ ] are you talking about

the fact that you responded to that

laughing and you're like what the [ __ ]

are you talking about that means you

agree

i don't agree

okay

no woman understands me

i

totally do you really

i get you

i get you really

100

so

i would say that you're one of the few

dudes to get me

wouldn't you agree

uh

i do think you get me

like our first conversation when i slid

in your dms

what

yeah our first conversation i mean like

we're both we're both like muslim and

stuff we both understand stuff

i think that like

i think that

we have

a very similar perspective on things and

we have a very similar world view that's

uh not related to islam or communism

what

yeah that's not i completely disagree

with that

okay well john underscore our tip three

dollars and thirty there's a lot of

things that you disagree about a lot of

things like what stuff

a lot

really because a lot until today

we

hadn't had like a single disagreement

how about this i love the sun i'm a

solar guy i like the sun

okay

you don't that's not important that's

not yeah it is

important it's very important but you

also you like the sun which is tropical

right associated with the tropics no

but then you say you like your reasoning

i like i like and you like that's not

true i like cold weather i like the

summer sun in michigan i don't like

tropical that's not a real sun that's

fake i like the summer sun in an arctic

land

so i agree with you there

oh

i'm just i'm literally telling you i

agree with you there and you just i'm

more of a force of positivity than

negativity

you think i'm negative

i think

you will behead many people in a video

game

what and i'll show the mercy

um

we disagree about a lot of things

not anything significant

a lot

um

someone was saying has

you're shooting yourself in the foot

you're right

you do have a self-sabotage problem

that's not true

oh it's 100 true and i could list

several examples

um but i'm not going to not on stream

oh name one

not on stream i can do it

another time how do you do that because

when you say that then you have to say

it no i don't

i've never self sabotaged anything

okay

everything has always been with purpose

reason justification

and

nourishment

even your chat is saying she so gets

haas

i do chat will say anything

you're you're like

if i was talking to spongebob

squarepants they would say spongebob

gets me

hmm they don't care they'll just say

anything

okay

why are you being mean to me

i'm just being real

no you're being a dick oh

you're being a little bit of a dick

right now

i can't explain but it's

just how you're sort of

countering everything i'm saying with

total nonsense and you're just doing it

to be obnoxious

and to put me down that's not true

that's not true

yeah you do like to disagree for no

reason at all

that's not true

okay

that's just not true

fake news

i just think you like to disagree a lot

no that's you

i'm the one who's trying to find

commonalities i'm the one who's pointing

out that we have the same world view and

then you're just

disagreeing for the hell of it and then

you're saying i'm the one who's

disagreeing fake news

no i think we disagree about a lot of

things because

we disagree all the time

no we don't rarely

uh i think you're i think you're just

bullying me because you know like

uh i'm like a really shy guy and like

i'm really nervous and stuff

just like bullying me a lot because

you know like i can't really respond

because i'm just

no i think that you know that you have

you have the power in this dynamic

between us

i think you know that you have the power

in this dynamic between us because i'm

submissive

and you're abusing it

oh how

you are

no i'm not

saying the opposite

yeah exactly

just for the hell of it just to annoy me

just to be obnoxious yeah

what are we even talking about i've lost

track of what we were

actually talking about um chat do you

guys like this conversation

said samira i feel you're too much

involved for oz he needs to grow up a

bit

you should i think you should listen to

that guy

wow

are you rejecting me

no i'm saying i think you should listen

to that guy because like that

that guy knows what he's doing trust me

um

i'm taking that as a rejection

uh

a rejection

um

you're rejecting me that's [ __ ] up

self-sabotage there you go rejecting

what

what did uh

what was the the comment that you read

out again please read it out again

that you're too evolved and that i need

to grow up and that's that's clearly a

really like

that's that's like the guy that you need

to pay attention to you know that guy

he's

he knows what he's doing

why

why not you

uh i'm just

i'm just

i don't because i don't know what i'm

doing i don't know how to like

talk to women at all like i just you do

no i just you know you do it very well

no i just don't

no you look how can the internet be

wrong are you saying the internet's

wrong don't say that don't say that no i

mean the internet has to be right okay

the internet's right no you have to

consider my lived experience i lived it

i've seen how you talk to girls no you

didn't the the internet saw everything

we were he's he was wearing a stream

together at the cpi conference and i

totally fumbled the bag because i don't

know what i'm doing the internet does so

i think you should start listening to

them

um

okay well uh

my personal experience says otherwise i

think you're very smooth oh really

oh really the twitter comments are wrong

get out of here

all those people on twitter are wrong

and you're right

okay is that what you're saying

i think

that's literally not possible how can

you say twitter is wrong it's not

possible sweetheart my opinion has more

value

yeah oh really can you can your opinion

ratio people on twitter

it depends if i get a bunch of my

followers to like it

i don't the likes have spoken okay okay

that guy real gregorad and the other

people who run the alt accounts of us

that guy is the truth he if you're

saying he's wrong what the [ __ ] how

could he borrow but how

okay so let's

ignore what they're saying let's ignore

all of the anti-haws propaganda i don't

care about the anti-host propaganda you

care where you're saying much

about

people

are wrong about me

the [ __ ] out of you

that's the dumbest thing i ever heard

everybody knows that it's too hard once

again

doesn't know anything once again

you can't say twitter's wrong don't ever

go in public and say they're wrong okay

hon

everyone knows two holes haas doesn't

know anything listen

sweetheart you can't say the twitter's

wrong you can't

[ __ ] twitter you didn't even know how

many holes

again you're self-sabotaging

and i'm not

hold on one second i just got a text

i know i know jackson he's trolling me

i'm playing along okay

what the [ __ ] did he text you what did

he text you

okay

um

i was gonna make a funny point i'm

literally playing along jackson did you

not get that

what the [ __ ] jackson i had no idea he

was on this thing

i'm like embarrassed now

oh my god why don't you get on yeah

jackson can you come on

i'm dying i can't this is too funny

yeah i mean i'm just saying

it's kind of [ __ ] up to say twitter's

wrong that's all i'm saying and vosh

yeah i can't believe jackson felt the

need to tell me that you were trolling

of course i know you're trolling i'm not

trying to actually you know me i'm not

trolling you can't just go on the

internet and say oh yeah vosh is wrong

about haas like

that guy has way more subscribers than

me he's gotta be are you saying

destiny's wrong about me come on he's

got way more subscribers who's destiny

uh

he's that guy on twitch let me look him

up

i'll show you right now on stream is

that guy on twitch let me see

destiny

jackson's coming on in five minutes

uh

i can't find him on twitch anymore i

don't know why but

yeah i can't find him on twitch but

jackson totally threw me off i was

i was actually playing along really well

come on man

look all i'm saying is that

um

i just don't think you should contradict

all those people i just don't

okay

no it's like

do you still have the position that you

know we don't know each other very well

yeah five minutes we don't we only met

for like five everyone saw that stream

we're like

do you remember where i was pathetically

trying to like

say that i was taller than i was in

front of you

all right admit i was so insecure about

my height the whole time admit that no

i'm not going to

why

because you're self-sabotaging and i

will not

be complicit

okay wasn't i uh insecure about like

uh

my beard and [ __ ]

no

really

you were not

and

what about uh my ears wasn't i insecure

about my ears

not at all yeah get out of here

freaking

i mean you you

you're hilarious

stop

all right the whole time

you do have to admit the whole time like

i was really like oblivious when we were

streaming and stuff like

i just don't know how to talk to women

you know i just don't know how

you were oblivious to my advances

and everything like yeah i just know

that

look if those guys on twitter were in my

shoes they would have like wow they

would have done way better

because they would have succeeded where

i failed

oh my gosh has

am i wrong

i don't know what you want me to reveal

but uh i don't know

like i know what you're doing no what am

i doing

you're making it obvious that uh

and you're doing it on purpose because

you're trolling that there's something

to reveal there's nothing to what are

you talking about

okay

say well

now you are saying you want to reveal

something

well done haas

well played

all right what do you want to reveal go

ahead

i don't know

i have nothing right now

all right i'll do it right now ready

sure

he and samira

we

traded

pokemon cards

well done

finally i didn't want to review it i

didn't want to reveal anything but like

that's just the truth

happy

why are you laughing

i'm not

you're imagining things

[Music]

someone banned sor sorev

jackson

all right uh is he in the show cube

uh jackson get in the show

yeah

we were hiding it the whole time but

like yeah

i had a pikachu and you had a charizard

and

they were a limited edition cards and we

traded them it was a bad deal i gave her

the card

and then that's it that's literally it i

don't know what else the chat was

thinking or anything but like that's

literally it okay sure i don't know what

the [ __ ] chad's thinking like but that's

it and a lot of people think like oh

yeah haz doesn't play pokemon because

it's for nerds and so well i do

there you go

name 10 pokemons

that's so easy pikachu bulbasaur

charizard squirtle

jigglypuff

mewtwo

mew

how many was that

like five

raichu six

squirtle seven

charmander eight damn

that was easy

is um

jackson

he's not in show cue yet

jackson get in show cue

let's not talk about politics when

jackson comes on let's just talk about

what what do we what else could we talk

about

fun [ __ ]

let's talk about

fun things

i'm burnt out from politics

only talk about sexual tension

huh

podcast sneak peek there you go this is

great promotion for our podcast

um

tell me when jackson's in shogu

how the [ __ ] do i do that i don't know

anything about this [ __ ]

pause are you still blushing is that why

you can't speak right no i'm looking at

something

how long were we arguing for

um

a very long time

yeah

anonymous tipped three dollars and 33

cents wow i didn't know you like trading

cards would you guys be open to trading

cards with other people

where is jackson

all right haws

talk to me

uh

okay

yo jackson what up hey

one second

hello

hi okay so when did you tune in did you

two why is this so quiet one second why

is that so quiet

and here you are hello

one second

how do i turn the speaker on

what's up

this is literally the dumbest thing i've

ever experienced

change audio

bro am i gonna have to like talk into it

like a cell phone yeah that's how i'm

talking into it and i have this

i have twitch open on my computer and

i'm talking into my cell phone

that's so serious so all i was saying

was um

samira's trying to like do this thing

where she's like

she's basically trying to like rile up

twitter right

samira lilly just got trolled so hard

i knew he was trolling i was playing

along

yeah sure

how was i jackson how was i trolling

oh gosh

okay so jackson's

did you did you

when did you tune in when did you tune

in did you hear our debate

uh

no

okay so he tuned in at the wrong time

okay

no we did uh we were arguing about india

and china

no we were arguing about china and

russia

but i don't want to talk about politics

with jackson please can we talk about

normal [ __ ]

like three normal friends

why i'm like the sickest person to talk

about politics with the thing is i'm so

burnt out i can't do it anymore and i

feel like we're more fun when we talk

about things other than politics it's

just because you're not on your sigma

male grind

i am not a male

isn't that really defined can we really

define yeah isn't that kind of the most

bar anyways isn't it kind of yikesy to

put parameters let's stay away from that

conversation okay because

parameters around gender is kind of like

toxic

we can really define these things

jackson how was your night

oh

you're trying to expose me that right

now i don't know

what i didn't say anything

what

i'm just asking how you're like how was

your night

it was good

okay cool

um

i don't know what fumbling the bag means

what the [ __ ] does that even mean okay i

don't know this is zoomer language did

someone say you're fumbling the bag no

someone said it about you

someone said it but whoever that is

banned them

i'm googling it hold on i have to go to

an urban dictionary

i always forget that

i'm the only millennial in this trio

i can't see the chat

what did they say what did they say

someone said

you were fumbling the bag

on haaz's behalf

who is fumbling the bag based

l-e-t-s-g-o thank you

who is fumbling the bag

hello oh

on haaz's behalf now i know what it

means

what what's going on

what that means

who is holding the bag

no some someone in the chat said

that jackson was fumbling the bag on

haaz's behalf and i said i don't know

what that means

so like stop using this zoomer language

in chat

because please respect the fact that

there's some a millennial in the group

okay an old person

that's such an [ __ ]

oh my god oh my god oh my god

what

where are you

i just had a spider on me

oh

[ __ ]

i didn't know spiders exist in

california i've never seen one

i didn't see any bugs in california not

one

hello is this called death

usually the bugs in california uh

usually they they're on people and not

on the streets you know all right this

is what we're gonna talk about jackson

l.a girls versus austin

la girls

that's not even a comparison yeah

oh i'm so my birthday is on may 28th

memorial day weekend

you're getting older

yeah

because i'm so old um you and

i should come out to new york city i i

will if i'm not going to turkey

who are you going to turkey with us

i'm going

yeah jackson

okay

i'm going to turkey and then i'm going

to syria

listen i heard what you guys said about

his only trip

you were like you're like jackson's cool

and all but he's not muslim and stuff

that's not what i said you [ __ ]

he said oh my gosh no no i heard it i

heard it eyes boys only trip yeah boys

only oh okay okay i think this is yeah

boys only of course i know i heard it

yeah

okay wait blame samira don't blame me i

was the good one

what

yeah i said what i said specifically and

i quote

i don't do that race card [ __ ] because

jackson's

better than any muslim i know and then

you got mad because

you said that you never had a muslim

ally like jackson and then i got offense

i got i got offended by that i took

offense to that

um but i'm now taking offense

wow

this trio is breaking up i am leaving

the trio you guys [ __ ] turkey let's go

to dubai

if i don't have to pay anything i'll go

to dubai

dubai

if i don't have to pay anything i'll go

do you think you think this is some like

free free like rodeo what do you think

is going on here why the [ __ ] who has

money for dubai none of us

who's paying for you to go is you you

getting some stipend from khadir of now

like what's good

yeah

clue me in on it

samira said she would pay for the whole

trip

really

mm-hmm

no i'm not going i'm not going i've

exited this trio i'm no longer part

maybe i can maybe i can make a quick

call to putin and we can work something

out

the thing is

uh

ice the thing is i associate new york

with darkness like i think of gray black

yes same

same but i like

i kind of like the new i watched that

movie uncut gems and i kind of want to

go to new york

so can you just come memorial day

weekend pull a cl uh pull a calendar out

i gotta get in the right mood for it if

i'm gonna go to new york you know it's

my birthday

yeah like would i really be coming out

for your birthday or would i be going

out to go to new york

both

exactly so i have to get in the mood for

it i think i would be go i'm going to um

uh turkey

very soon

really yeah yeah i heard you say that

once it actually is probably gonna be

next month it's gonna be as soon as

possible

really as soon as i can get my passport

i'm getting my passport i'm just gonna

[ __ ] go

[ __ ]

why am i an [ __ ]

nothing

why

um

you guys aren't going to my birthday

you're not coming

i thought

i was your friend i thought i was one

point in part i'll go on this trio no

[ __ ] zoom

in person it's kind of like

kind of

okay

yeah like i'll meet you on omegle and we

can have like an omego birthday bash

yeah

like out i'll kick you don't worry like

i'll message you on kick i'll say happy

birthday

look

in person

did you know

that

according

the saying goes that

when a man and a woman are in a room

together the devil's the third

damn

i don't know i'm not muslim i can't

speak to that but what i will say is

sometimes when i look at i just saw this

uh plane flyby sometimes when i look at

helicopters in the sky like i saw this

helicopter today well after i did this

vr like escape room zombie killing video

game and then i saw this helicopter and

i was like to be honest sometimes when i

see helicopters flying i'm like i don't

think that's real i think we live in a

simulation

you know um

the simulation thing

wait you don't think helicopters are

real

i definitely have questions about them

oh my gosh can you airplanes are way

more stupid than helicopter

helicopters make sense airplanes don't

yeah

come on dinosaurs make more sense than

helicopters that's stupid wait do you

actually believe in t-rexes

i believe in dinosaurs

bro no no

you actually think that thing was

running around

hold up it's in case the hot tubs i got

to turn the the bubbles back on uh

i think that listen remember when you're

like little and you get those little

sandbox toys where you can like you can

like uh

you can like be the gravedigger for like

the the dinosaurs and they give you the

little toys and you you like you you dig

out the dinosaur like that for sure

happened with some people

uh with dinosaurs because listen they

have the dinosaur bones in the museums

all right

i'm out yes they do why are you wait why

are you leaving samir

because your chat doesn't want me here

that's not the boys stop that's not true

there's there's dinosaur bones tell me

all right samir tommy

yeah

there's dinosaur bones in museums i've

seen them

no it's those are not bones those are

stones

no they're they're literally fossils

that's those aren't bones

but how do you create fossils

they're imprints

how do you create fossils

of through implanting things

i'm gonna get a drink i'll be back no

listen what do you need

paz what do you need to make the

implants of the fossil

you can have you can make anything

dejection just tell you forget about

that no no no no no forget that forget

that forget that are you telling me this

is the first time we're debating and

you're getting wrecked right now no no

i'm gonna pull it i'm gonna pull it up

chad is gonna see this i don't know

chat's gonna see it

you're getting her correct

chad's gonna see what you're getting

i

i can't even see the screen and you're

still getting wrecked no

chad is gonna see your belief

yeah you're gonna put up some like

barney and me photo or something so you

think this [ __ ] was running around

you think this was not wrong

that's what you think we got barney on

the screen okay good one

before listen listen

my question to you is you say that okay

so those are not bones they're fossils

and i said what are the fossils made

with and you said you have implants of

some kind so what is what what is the

what is the thing that is making the

implant that looks like the bone that is

a fossil what would we call that

you're still avoiding the question do

you believe that you're avoiding the

question i asked the question to you and

you're right

it was it could have been anything

it could have been what

a man can be sitting and tinkering and

carving that [ __ ] himself

yeah

now answer my question do you truly

believe

you truly believe this [ __ ] was running

around i can't see the [ __ ] i'm just

laughing so hard right now because you

said the man's carving out structures

and [ __ ] bones and [ __ ] that's

hilarious so you you think this all

right let's check another one

let's check some other okay so i have

another question no i want you to i want

you to tell me that in la when you

looked out the window you're in la and

you're looking out the window right

right look out your window

and you're in l.a yeah okay right yeah

yeah

okay

and and and and how long ago was it 65

million years ago you're in la

and you look out the window

and you're saying some you would just

see this outside of the window you would

just see this see your screen but that's

what you're saying it's ridiculous

let me tell you why it's not ridiculous

okay

because

all you have to do is look at these

crazy creatures that are all in the

ocean today and like in lakes like these

crazy fish these crazy like uh you know

amphibious like weird animals and stuff

and some of them are massive some are

just like disgusting looking and like it

doesn't it's not that hard to

hello

like listen it's not it's not that hard

to extrapolate that like yes like

i'm not even done yet it's not that hard

to extrapolate that yes because there

are these things that still look like

dinosaurs today that there were more

dinosaurs previously when we know that

like 99 of all species have already been

like wiped out all right so what you're

saying

and i'm gonna quote i'm gonna quote you

here

what you're basically trying to say is

this paraphrase because whales exist

because the whales exist this [ __ ] i

didn't say whales you're paraphrasing

actually you're manipulating my words

you're saying because dolphins exist

then this [ __ ] was outside in l.a

imagine this is running around downtown

l.a go ahead defend that

you you're i thought you were a better

debater oz listen

that was the worst argument i've ever

heard and i'll also say that when i was

i'll never forget this when i was in

elementary school

imagine you're at starbucks and then

this is outside and that's what you

believe

when i was in elementary school

uh

there was a development project

three blocks down from my school and

they unearthed a massive whale a blue

whale

fossil but it was like it was like

enmeshed into the ground and stuff so we

had to we had to excavate the fossil of

the whale from the ground that was

brought to our school and they had all

these it was like free child labor they

had like all these like first graders

excavating this stuff with the

scientists from our local community and

stuff but like

that that's actually what happened with

dinosaurs there weren't like weird guys

etching

bone structures of t-rexes that

eventually found their way into museums

yeah but the difference is whales still

exist do they not

okay so that is irrelevant to the

question

no because whales exist

okay have you ever excavated a t-rex

have you ever have are do you deny that

speed you deny do you deny that species

go extinct

i do deny that you didn't you didn't

ever have to go extinct it's never

happened once

ever you're like you're living in a

fantasy land there's been countless

issues

and you believe in this

yes from the time that you were born

until today there's been countless

species that have gone extinct not even

one

yep

name one

the uh the the the

death valley

it's some sort of a death rally rat or

mouse or something like that but i

remember that's in my backyard that's

not extinct

all they did was migrate

it's a different type of species you

idiot you think that all it did is

migrate hey do you think that all birds

are the same too and do we think that'll

work the same now also of course what if

you what if you hunt the species to

extinction because that happens and

these are then

then uh god puts them back

god isn't real

oh my god

i i don't even think you're gonna fight

me on this one like i've talked to you

about god before who created the

universe

i don't know i can't say that

definitively

so god is either real but this is real

on screen right now

there's not enough you're right you're

right i'll be more generous to you now

there's not enough or any evidence i've

seen that suggests that there is a god

uh and and the same could be said about

your arguments as well there's not

enough proof that any one

entity or multiple entities or charles

said

charmhole said charmhole said he talked

to him

and uh

and you know that's actually a

conflicting belief for me because i am

an american patriot i am an

anti-imperialist i'm not also a charm

holiness

exactly so how could you say something

so ridiculous

i don't know but the fact that you don't

believe in dinosaurs

literally had me kept winging and

checking right so you're saying okay so

you're saying 65 million years ago

this is what happened

i don't know on screen i don't even know

if i i don't even know if i can have

this conversation with you because i

don't know if you believe in 65 million

years ago i don't know if you i don't

think i do

yeah so this is so you we're starting

the

okay what's your evidence the earth is

65 million years old

fossil records

fossil records fossil records which you

claim to be uh little men etching uh of

course that's exactly what it is

that's exactly what it is these these

men

who had those [ __ ] monopoles on and

they were just sitting there at and

it was it was like a but it was like a

bunch of waluigi's like etching

sculptures out of like coal right yeah

like artists

yeah

exactly

so

all right can you just be honest

do you do you believe in like

sedimentary rocks and stuff do you

believe

do you believe in or do you only believe

like in igneous rocks

uh i don't believe in any rocks

what do you mean

um

the only ones that are the ones outside

all the rest are made up

but so you don't think that there's like

more than one type of rock

no rock's a rock

they can't talk they can't walk

don't do anything do you think that

trees can talk to each other like do you

think that trees like interact with one

another and stuff

for like

resources and like nutrients and stuff

like that in water no through like

through complex root systems

listen

i don't think mangroves do that

mangroves

can you look at this picture and justify

this i can't their root systems are all

connected how can you say that

look

they're connected now have you seen it

yourself

yes i've been to the mangroves i swear i

swam with the manatees in florida

they're beautiful they're like where do

manatees have to do with trees

because the manatees go by the mangroves

haws and that's where i saw them and

what the [ __ ] is the mango

a manatee

a mangrove a mangrove you don't even

know what it is i'm talking about the

type of tree i'm talking about mangroves

manatees are in the [ __ ] water

manatees are in the water mangroves are

also in the water yes you don't even

know the type of looking it up that's

not a tree that's a [ __ ]

that's a [ __ ] uh

that's a disaster what it is what it is

the [ __ ] is that

it's not a tree that's just a bunch of

[ __ ] [ __ ] it's a bush

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kind of tree is that

bro mangroves are actually so important

all right so you'd say you've seen

yeah that's not a tree okay second of

all

have you ever seen this in your life

just tell me you're like open the stream

and

so you don't even know about the

pyramids in bosnia

bro

you don't even know about these nuts

all right so let me tell you something

you know about this

i can't see [ __ ] i can't see [ __ ] i

can't see [ __ ] yeah exactly you don't

know anything about this i can't see

[ __ ] there's pyramids in bosnia

you believe in this instead

okay well

bosnia

is bosnia relevant could most americans

point to bosnia on a map i don't think

so

is it relevant

look

okay let me look at it let me look at it

okay let me look at it one second i

can't hear you though but let me look at

it

all right i'm looking at it

uh

i'm back i'm back

honestly

the uh the angle of the photo kind of

throws me off

it very well might be a pyramid but also

is it a hill

no that's a pyramid

is it kim iverson ryan grimm on the hill

like is it hills or is it pyramids i

don't know

it's it's a [ __ ] uh pyramid and kyle

kulinski and crystal ball climb to the

top and they climaxed it

is it is it madison cawthorne exposing

uh coke and orgies on the dc capitol

hill or is it like is it a pyramid i

don't know

look

uh

let's just say

i win this pyramid

was climaxed the climax of this pyramid

right here on top not too long took too

long took too long you took too long for

the comeback okay so

i've beaten you in how many debates

already tonight i don't even know how

many listen at the end of the day you

believe in this

night

no you lose because you believe in this

dinosaurs helicopters you've never

you've never justified this you've never

justified that this was real

the burden of proof is on you no you had

okay you really think that this thing

was running around

i think barney was real

do you think this thing was running

around yes or no i i don't know what to

make of this world today i was in

hollywood and i saw michael jordan in a

full bulls jersey and he was throwing a

basketball at me and i saw spongebob

squarepants running around trying to

give me a high five and i i ran away

from him i yelled at him actually i was

like get the you know away from me but

i i don't know what i think of this

world yeah and you know what i s okay

and uh

and and in the ice and in the clubs of

la i saw shrek

you saw shrek in la i see shrek in la

every night i go out here but i see more

of them in austin

um

no in austin i saw

fiona

that was kind of mean like

those girls have feelings they they have

like siblings and parents and stuff

it's a compliment are you kidding

fiona's uh like my

type that's actually true you're on that

swat team level sigma grind set

um

bro i know my favorite thing was oh my

god oh my god oh my god no paws when you

did the silent stream i was sending you

the most out of pocket things like all

the out-of-poc well okay i actually

stopped after a while but no cap i

probably think you're like 70 bucks

did you but like

yeah but like what did you say your name

was

you don't even want to know but like i

see

i said you must that was so funny

what the [ __ ] i didn't i did not know

you were even

what the [ __ ]

yeah yeah wait are you the guy who asked

for a refund because i gave that guy all

his money back who

there's this there is this guy who

donated a [ __ ] ton and he was like oh

i'm sorry i got carried away

got my money back

he asked you for your is his money back

yeah i felt bad so i gave it back i

guess that's probably the right thing to

do

um

uh you i remember i'm never gonna forget

the time

you called me once and you're like yo

i understand the swat team thing now

i'm like damn everyone comes around so i

came to l.a

i'm not on it anymore i that was like a

phase and then you showed me what you

considered the swat team

and bruh that was the

that was a mall cop bro what the [ __ ]

that was not the swat team

that was a phase

that wasn't the swat team that was a

mall cop

what are you talking about

i met a bunch of australian girls the

other night and uh

they they were essentially like uh

how do i describe it

what would be the antithesis of swat

team

oh no that uh

the whole monster

no no that sounds creepy

you can't say that

uh the [ __ ] um

the the

[ __ ]

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all cop

ah they were finer than mall cops like

there were some

some birds with me but like they were

definitely the antithesis of uh

swat team

so you're really on that [ __ ]

yeah

i could never understand that

it's all about the faith

it's all about the face

damn

i will admit something to you

there is a charm to l.a but it don't

work with me

it's it's all about the face unless of

course you've got something you know

like you've got something that like i

care deeply about like you know like if

i'm gonna like if i'm gonna if i'm gonna

like bust out like courses courtesy

courtside like lakers tickets for you

like

and like you don't gotta face like you

gotta mean something to me you know

bro tell us about the [ __ ] private

jet

what

tell us about the [ __ ] private jet

i don't fly private jets

bro how much how many lies do we tell

girls in l.a

you should

oh my god

bro but someone explained it to me so

perfectly and it's literally the truth

it's all about making fake plans

thank you nikita league appreciate you

man it's all about making fake plans

just to

them like oh succeed we got a yacht and

then

they'll go tell their friends to impress

their friends

bro i actually pulled through last night

i said uh i oh you guys will dig this

but then you meet up at denny's and

you're like oh the yacht's gone but then

they're there they're not going to make

new plans

no no no listen to this so that's it i i

met i met i met all these australian

girls like three nights ago and then

like i showed them good time whatever

and then uh they were leaving for vegas

today and they wanted to do something

fun

um so i was like last time i was like

all right like

let's go the best club in la you know

and

it was uh it was

it was the one that julia took us to and

we were at um we were at that one table

i told you about

which one

was that like the night before i left

the one with the

boxer oh

yeah so so we went to that same place

and these girls they were so annoying

they did they weren't even gonna come

because they were just they're like we

have a fight at 8 a.m and i'm like nah

like trust it's gonna be fun what the

[ __ ] that gives me deja vu

no no listen so then i was like i was

like i was like okay whatever i don't

care if you guys come just don't come so

then

when i said that then they magically

wanted to come and then they texted me

they had the audacity to text me and

they're like are there gonna be

celebrities there but they said in their

australian accents you know and i'm like

i didn't even respond to that i was just

like bruh

and then they come

and so i'm walking in with

eight

eight no seven seven girls and they're

all dimes

and really fun sweet girls and like we

so we walk in

and like we're at we're at like the most

pop in club in la and all these guys are

just like that me up and stuff and then

this one guy dabs me up and he sees that

i have all them and he invites me to

stable it's faze banks's table so we

like pulled up at facebook's table for

the night and i was just like yo

what the [ __ ]

what is up with girls in la who are

about to leave at 6 00 am for their

flight

has that happened before that wasn't the

first time

so that's actually something that i was

thinking about when you said austin

girls or la girls because i was thinking

well la's like international girls but

that comes with its problems you know

some of them don't speak english someone

got flights in the morning

you know they come together they all got

flights in the morning

they all got yeah they all do have

flights well they don't but it's

happened before

so weird and they're still like out it's

like go to sleep why are you still even

out

but listen to this one of them i

convinced to come back to um

la early she was supposed to go to new

york and i said new york is gross new

york is dark and gray yeah it's the it's

the most smelly gross city in all of los

angeles in all of the country it's even

worse than la and i'm like just come

back to l.a

really lying to them

what no have you been to new york no but

i feel like it's better

okay people in chat tell has how

absolutely random la's only good because

of like santa monica and [ __ ] like wait

no no no no no chad tell him how ranked

the streets of new york spell hot this

you guys this was so funny when we'd go

when we go walking around the streets of

l.a like it obviously downtown as well

get back in vc what is wrong with you

it smells absolutely horrendous on the

streets of uh dc

but uh or on la rather but has like you

know normal people just kind of walk

through it hold their breath paws would

literally like choke and he'd be like

like

it sounded like he's like take it

sounded like he was taking one down when

he'd be walking through these smelly

ears i'd be like bro chill pause i'm

used to a clean i'm used to living in

clean land

downtown la's temple run

ah

um

bro after i get listen

the biggest problem in la is when i got

those [ __ ] scooters in downtown l.a

you know how i comb my hair in the

forward so whenever i [ __ ] go on the

scooter it all fly back right

everything would get ruined as soon as i

get my hair transplant i'm going to la

and i'm going on those scooters in the

free wind

you're so random you're so random and

out of pocket for that because like

you'd rather go all the way to turkey so

you can solve this problem when i'm like

just wear a hat and you're like no no no

you're like it's fine i'm not wearing i

like my hat where i don't wear hats

i wear hats like we go kingdom nutrition

we go hats like almost every day i got

you know i got bed heads after long

nights you know australians and stuff

like that and then we got to go get the

coffees in the morning and then we just

throw our hats that's like the people

who are like yo has just wear a wig

why would i wear a wig

no you're not a ryan grim i'm not saying

wear a wig i'm just saying wear a hat

uh

no the problem with hats is moving

bro let me ask you a question have you

ever pulled in a hat

really

yes

i feel like it's not possible

but let me tell you something else

well i guess that's kind of not relevant

uh but yeah no of course

really in a hat

yeah

i feel like when you put on the hat

you become undercover and invisible you

just become a background character

that's the thing though it's about it's

about the layers it's about the layers

right like you don't want you want you

want

like think think about it think about it

like it's about the layers like

do i walk around shirtless no like i

want i want

i want my girls to get excited when they

see the six-pack like i don't want i

don't want them to like see everything

all the fronts about the layers it's

about the curiosities what it's about

you know

bro i actually missed that [ __ ] place

i'm moving

oh you're moving

yeah where

i had a setup in my building

what the [ __ ] happened

oh that yeah i i know about that

so that was so weird you want to tell

them about that or no because they're

probably watching

but um

where are you moving

i'm moving to uh i don't know yet but i

i mean i'm saying la

i go back and forth i was looking at a

few places like i was looking at i was

looking at nashville i was looking at

like dallas and austin and bro listen

this summer

uh we're definitely taking a trip

somewhere because we're not going to

twitch kanye you because we're going to

die we're not going to witchcraft you

enjoy moscow

uh

bro i i so i i straight up i i went i

ripped a moscow tinder for a week and i

met all these baddies and i told them i

was coming out in like two weeks and

then the war started and then they're

like they're like are you sure you're

still coming out then i'm like nah like

i'm not coming out right now obviously

like you guys are at war

and but

i i added them all on instagram i

probably got like nine of them

and

so i i just i'm like it's actually such

a good start to my day because of the

time zone difference so like i'll

message them at night when they're like

having their day and like going around

they're posting their fits and stuff and

i'll message them some stuff and then i

wake up in the morning and i have like

all these messages from these like

moscow girls but they all they all want

they all want us to cruise you know like

yeah i know moscow would be a lot of fun

um

but it would be very expensive right

but listen to this listen to this and it

you know and and i didn't hear what you

just said i didn't hear what you just

say it'd be expensive

it's what expensive

uh yeah i mean

yeah

living in la is expensive too

yeah i i honestly think if we do a trip

like uh

i think we should do a trip with a boat

this summer

sounds horrendous

why like a lake

uh

oh

like uh smoky mountains or something

well that doesn't have a beach but you

know what i want to do what i want to i

want to go down to uh

you can go down to like baja

and you can like swim with those whale

sharks i want to do that

yeah

actually

don't tell them details but uh we might

actually make i might be able to make

cuba possible

really yeah i have connections

i would i would die and go to heaven if

i could i've ever since i i know well

ever since bro ever since i watched on a

day armas and the new james bond movie

when they go to cuba i'm like that's

like that's like a move straight up like

i need to yeah it's going to be a

different experience

you don't think we can get like on a day

armas there

oh bro

we'll go to havana and i'll rip on raya

and tinder and stuff and then like we'll

try to bro they don't use i don't think

they use tinder bro you gotta

cuba's not like an internet place it's

gonna be a place where you go

and you're not gonna be ubering you're

not gonna be using your apps you're not

gonna be uber eats you're not gonna do

it it's all gonna be like

communism must suck then

but there is a charm to it you know what

i'm saying that's why i'm saying it's

different it's not like that connected

you know

is it is it like charm whole leninism

it's not like marxism

i'm serious we could make you what

happened

yeah no i'm serious too i'm gonna know

the issues i don't know if i could

stream it

are you what i don't stream it

listen listen listen listen listen

i was at the defeat the mandates protest

yesterday in l.a

and that that kid from prageru he's like

he's he's literally like he's actually

such he looks like such a douchebag

um like even bigger than me and he was i

think he was the kid that did that cuba

prageru video

yeah

and no but i'm saying is have you seen

that video

no

it's so funny you're probably just gonna

be like cuba is a [ __ ] it's the

worst place in the world no no no so

that's what i'm saying the video is

hilah the video is hilarious midwestern

marks eddie he reacted to it i reacted

to it what i'm saying is like we should

make a spoof of that video when we go to

cuba

yeah cuba would be fun but i'm telling

you it would be different and it would

take

some getting it's like it'd be like an

acquired taste type of thing

yeah i'm kind of excited for moscow

though

hello yeah yeah

um

i don't know if we're gonna be able to

this summer

yeah we'll see yeah

i think it'd be i think it'd be kind of

hard to go also like maybe in the

wintertime go like fitted like floyd

floyd mayweather

uh in moscow you know that picture it's

like

always the last resort but it's kind of

boring it's kind of basic you know what

i said floyd i said floyd mayweather no

i know but florida's also in the cards

floyd mayweather i know what you said

now i'm saying this a boxer

oh my god i know you mean floyd

the iced out picture of him boxing or he

wasn't boxing he was just like in moscow

snowy i stopped

i know holy [ __ ]

if moscow doesn't work what would be the

alternative should i just go back to la

for the summer

no no no no no no the alternative

the alternative to moscow would be like

we we straight up this this has been my

dream for a while this has been my dream

for a while well oh my god this this

fits perfectly into the narrative right

the this is

gonna be a new arc so

i i i just like

i absolutely

i absolutely ripped through like narco

season one and two in a matter of like

two weeks one time

no no no we go we go we go we go

colombia i got connections in colombia

you know ronnie smooth like we got

connections in colombia we run up we run

up columbia medellin and then uh and

then we hit up we hit up uh

what's that what's that one's dude's

name in argentina argentina i got a

bunch of girls in argentina too i ripped

that on tinder um i actually think

columbia would be fun knock online

palermo hollywood in buenos aires if you

get a good beach any good beach will be

fun

but it's going to be more fun there

because things will be cheaper

yeah that'd be a lot of fun

columbia argentina and then i've also

got people in brazil we could go

we could we can

i should go to brazil because

it's

so different you know when we go to all

these places we should interview like

the leading politicians and we should

like

we should like interview them and stuff

yeah

we'll tell them we're like you and

diplomats and we're interviewing them or

something

we'll see how it goes

you know

bro you're the master of like [ __ ]

to [ __ ] strangers

there's one other thing i had to tell

you but now i'm forgetting

is was it about vacations

no but i am moving

it's in la right

yeah i'm going to be in la

why though

i love this building i'm at but like

no why l.a though why are you staying in

oh why

bro i mean it's courtside lakers games

it's like who am i going to take to

those sorts of things you know

bro but i feel like la's such it's

living life on hard mode you know

ah but you gotta take advantage of this

he's the moment you know

like what connections do you have in l.a

cause isn't your best friend like

connections that i can't even say on on

stream right now oh well besides that

one that i know about

which is an important one not gonna lie

that's that's that's probably one of the

most important

you're right

you're right but i mean you can always

you can always fly there no it's also

like think think about this like even

like uh ones that are like obviously

like public it's like

like jimmy dore for example like that's

been so cool to be able to like get

dinner with him

uh like probably about monthly and him

and steph and like getting to know them

and like going to events here like even

like smaller things like going to that

protest yesterday bro oh my god i'm

making a video i spoke to 20

manga supporters mostly manga supporters

about i went up to them

i said what do you think about the war

in ukraine and i kid you naha's each one

of them would would look at me and

they'd say it's all lies it's all

deception that's mine

but like i got a video and i was

streaming it and like the chat was

losing it they're like oh my god they're

so based

yeah but if i if i went to like um i'll

watch that video on stream too

i was gonna i'm just gonna watch i was

gonna watch your video with i am still

going to probably tomorrow but um with

scott ritter

yeah you have you have to watch it but

be careful what you say

but uh

yeah yeah you have to especially watch

the very the last question that's all

i'll say did you guys cover the alleged

chemical attack

we covered we talked about busha we

talked about kramatorsk

we did not get to talk about

uh that because that happened like right

when we were ending our conversation

but uh i'm gonna do a stream about that

tomorrow that should

yeah i'm gonna cover most of that

tomorrow too because

i need to actually compile the info

because there's like so many different

bro i needed the gorilla army today and

they didn't pull through

why not

i don't know like i just

i think what happened was they did when

did you when did you stream it because

it might have been a time zone thing

i was at like

probably like i was probably like 1pm

yeah they're they're all used to like my

[ __ ] up sleep schedule so that's

probably why

i so kia of independent posted this

thing about like you know the events and

they they quoted a guy named andre

belitsky because he's the first

commander of the

uh of

uh azov yeah i don't know what you can

say on twitch and stuff i don't wanna

put your jeopardy but anyways they

quoted him and then and then my subtweet

to that tweet i just like absolutely

roasted them and exposed them and i

needed the gorilla army to pull through

the ratio

it was operation ratio why didn't you

tell me i would have announced it we

launched a special operation and like

the gorilla army didn't show up they do

that sometimes they don't always show up

you know the gorilla army

i need to work on that because they

eventually show up like after two days

but they're not quick in their like

mobilization you know you know why it

was i gotta work on it

it was important that we did it quickly

because the the chemical incident was

trending on twitter and that key of

independent post was one of the top

posts so if everyone had seen the top

comment to that post was i mean mine was

the top comment but if they had seen it

ratioed them it would have been

hilarious

but i think what happened was all the

kia of independent supporters i think

there's a feature i don't have it on

twitter yet but there's a feature where

you can downvote tweets and i think they

downvoted my my subtweet in mass

damn

hello

yeah

um

you can downvote

yeah i guess that's a feature that some

people have now

what the [ __ ]

yeah

i twitter's done dude i i i can't wait

till

until twitter stops being like

the main place

i love twitter

i don't know true social maxwell smart

still isn't approved for true social yet

and he applied at the same time as me

yeah

that was like a month ago

maybe more

that's [ __ ] crazy

are you approved

or what

true social

um

no not yet

um

all right case the roddy quick hang-ups

peace see you later

damn

we got

all right this

i'll have more content for the news

tomorrow guys remember tomorrow 7 p.m so

i'm gonna try to stream earlier

um

all right i honestly

have to use the bathroom

so so bad

uh

who the [ __ ] am i gonna i'll just rape

all right guys i gotta uh

i gotta eat dinner go to bed and [ __ ]

see you tomorrow cause i'm gonna try to

stream

early okay

okay guys bye