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what

yeah what do you want

yeah okay i'm gonna be i wanna be honest

man like like her opinions and her

values that's that's actually what a lot

of like zoomer you know vietnamese uh

communists actually believe in it's like

this this this warped americanized you

know

uh uh uh version of uh of of of of

communism it's like

look and i'm gonna be honest i'm gonna

say this man you shouldn't go in there

you shouldn't be arguing with all these

people man like like they're all your

friends dude you know bosh destiny luna

they're all your friends you could you

have no allies right now i remember

walking on john's screen how are they my

friends

they believe in the same [ __ ] as you oh

you know they don't believe in anybody

maybe you're a bit more based or

whatever but like at the end of the day

man it's like

i'm also i'm waiting for my partner as

well to join but i don't care so listen

yes let me ask a question

yeah look look yeah yeah sorry so the

masters of the american people

who don't virtue signal to me and don't

use the same terms i use

those are my enemies but valshanam is my

friends right

just because they use the same words as

i

yeah

yeah you guys are pretty much on the

same side it's just huge just because we

use some of the same words right yeah

but the real masses of people the

working people who they call deplorable

reactionaries those are my enemies right

yeah man

look how

at the end of the day

you shouldn't be going around attacking

these these these innocent people man

it's like dude you're calling luna a

fraud even though she's yourself dude

she's a fraud she isn't dude yes is

she's she's an accurate representation

of what sort of the modern day that's

that's if i take your word for it i

don't take your word for it

well not dude

it's just it's just how it is

it's like how do you know they're very

you know

hey hey i don't know man but i'm just

saying i'm just saying

i've talked to these people i've talked

to a lot of these uh these these these

these vietnamese communists you know

people from like the i don't believe you

who are officially part of this

i don't believe that vietnamese

communists have anything to do with

lunaway

they would agree with a lot of what she

says you know and i don't agree with

that

right well dude you're calling her a

fraud she is the frog i'm checking all

right

she isn't and and she's being very clear

she's the 100

from

this whole you know victimization

complex that you're you know accusing

her of of oh dude you know she's going

in there

trying to make yeah [ __ ] inside or

bad about the vietnam war and [ __ ] like

that [ __ ] that happened 40 years ago

right

like that's pretty much what they're

like as well over in vietnam

i don't believe you how about that i

just don't believe you

you'll have to talk to some vietnamese

communists man it's like they yeah i

have i actually have talked to some i've

gotten

dm's by vietnamese communists saying

thank you haze

thank you so much for what you said

well

look man if you're calling her a fraud

you're calling her you know you know all

these all these terrible things

and you're and you're talking [ __ ] about

you know her her boyfriend calling him a

a a sex pat you know a sexual uh a

criminal or whatever right did you read

did you read the

sort article

i sort of can throw it yeah you didn't

read it you didn't [ __ ] do it you

could go read it again then and see if

that's what i said

uh

dude i'm sorry i'm i'm actually shaking

right now i'm actually very scared right

now uh

but uh my debate partner is in show

queue at the moment and um

you know okay he has some things

we're both accusing you of being you

know

let's bring the debate partner what do

you want

hello

his mic is muted

okay

one moment

you don't want to acknowledge all the

good the west has done for human

civilization like that's my main issue

with you

you always point to the east as this

beacon of civilization when me as a

taiwanese american i admit that the west

and europe are superior and many regards

uh regarding civilization uh regarding

um

history all of that so yeah

okay so you have an inferiority complex

and that's my problem

no no i don't have an inferiority yeah

you do yeah you [ __ ]

yeah you [ __ ] dude

i think you have the inferiority really

really about it because you come from a

long line of

uh merchants and great warriors you're

throwing it all away for this sort of

[ __ ] created by china and the soviet

union and uh this ideology wait i come

from a long line of what

yeah the merchants and warriors the

phoenicians dude so what

yeah so you should like reject this

[ __ ] and we should like what

[ __ ]

marxism

why

how is it [ __ ]

marxism is [ __ ] because it's so

idealistic it's founded on the premise

that everyone should be equal when no

it's not human yes it is

citation

citation all marxist literature and okay

one citation

okay

when you when marx refers to

the classes of people he doesn't specify

a singular race or a singular people

he's referring to them as a collective

that's equality

no it's not

citation

i don't need a [ __ ] citation

okay dude but you're rejecting your

ancestors for like this theory created

by a german guy

so what

yeah that's my problem how am i

rejecting my ancestors by doing that you

think my ancestors wanted me to not

learn from others

no and put it in my own way and think

about it on my own terms

that are in contradiction with their own

what's the contradiction

the contradiction is that marxism is

this like forced ideology on so many

people

and uh you're just picked it up

willy-nilly

that's just not true i became a marxist

as an extension

of coming from a shia background

and being fascinated and uh immersed in

the shia revolutionary tradition in the

middle east dude i want to convert to

shiaism that's the thing that hurts me

the most

okay

because you in a sense

while yeah you you like pick and choose

you take all the aspects of shiism which

in a sense mesh well with communism

uh for example the

the uh what's it called

the reverence of authority in shiism

there's always a higher it's more

hierarchical than soonism for example

painting communism the government or the

state

is uh you said your taiwanese

yes show me your face

why would i do that i'm not showing it

on stream show me your face yeah i'm not

gonna show it on stream show me your

face

no no i'm not gonna do that no no

oh okay so you're not taiwanese dude i

am taiwanese why would i lie about that

can you speak the language

like i said dude i'm second generation

so you can't speak anything in taiwanese

why would i want to learn some like

easternized [ __ ] i was born in the

west

okay

yeah that's literally it dude so you you

worship the west and you think the west

is superior to uh everyone else

i mean it's evident

right now why is that

well if we were to look at most major

scientific

uh made in

almost every epoch except for maybe um

antiquity we see most of it even during

antiquity a lot of it that's just

definitely not true

it's only recently that a the

significant portion of uh discoveries

have been made in the west that's a

result of western modernity but before

then

the centers of enlightenment and

innovation and discovery

were not in europe

what do you mean they were not in europe

was greece and not in europe italy not

in europe

even if you include greece and italy

when you compare it to the egyptians the

persians the chinese

when you compare it to uh

even the central asian civilization when

you compare it to india

you're talking about nothing okay but

we're not living in antiquity or in the

medieval age well you're the one who

mentioned every epoch of history and

it's just not true

no well most people no not even most

what do you mean not even the most it's

true they're psychic no it's not true

it's not true

how is it not true when like most like

medicine most advancements yeah what's

happening outside of europe

no that's not true at all yes it's 100

true

do you have a source for this yes any

history book

you can get your [ __ ] hands on that

talks about it we'll confirm this

but the history the history books will

of course i'm not saying that these

advancements and these milestones didn't

exist in uh other countries or other

regions let's just put it this way

europe

was a backwater peninsula of asia for

most of mankind's history

that is not true yes it is

that's not true yes it is

not true because first of all

greece while it is true ain't for

example ancient greece absorbs

everything

from the persians and the egyptians

and the indians

so some speculate i agree i agree with

you i agree with you there but

but greece was a peninsula of the

persian civilization

greece was a peripheral

state to the persian civilization where

everything was actually going on

wait a minute wait a minute

greece yes

saw itself closer to asia than it did to

europe you're 100

correctly you're 100 correct there the

greeks thought so-called europeans were

barbarians

yeah i know i know they didn't think

they were civilized they didn't even

think they shared humanity with them but

the advance but

while

egypt and persia and while they did have

their sort of revivals under the islamic

era and islamic ages

greece sort of improved on the ideas

presented to them by uh persia and egypt

which started this sort of western

hegemony like in terms of western

hegemony what western hegemony the west

as such did not exist

until the creation of the western

catholic church

until the western roman empire there was

no west

well

first of all

we have to define what west means

i'm telling you the origins of the west

the origins of the west is the western

roman empire and the catholic church

that's the origin of the west

okay that's fair that's fair but at the

same time

like i've stated before

we are living in the modern era in which

most of what we take for sure i get it

matrices were invented by the muslims

but this sort of next step in human

evolution was presented to us by the

west

by your people dude

what

look

i consider and you're gonna you're gonna

freak out and i get it you're gonna

think i'm trolling but i'm being 100

serious

i consider egypt and persia and the

whole middle east a part of western

civilization

when i say eastern civilization i'm

referring to like

asia proper in a sense

you're just you're just referring to

places like china and india right

exactly well yes i agree they did have

places that probably did

places that probably discovered more

than

western asia

no no that's not true yeah it is true

indian mathematics

uh

was among the most in the history of

mankind

the chinese civilization has produced

more insight they don't even know they

haven't even begin to unearth all the

things the chinese have always known and

have known in the past

i agree with you i'm not saying that

india and china didn't discover anything

or didn't advance any of the fields that

i'm referring to i'm not saying that

what i'm saying is that

china and india

compared to what the west achieved

throughout all of it explaining how

pale just pales in comparison really

so my question is before before you

start with your inferiority complex

about the west

why don't i just put something into

perspective

why don't i just put something into

perspective for you if you want to be

very very generous

western world hegemony is something that

has existed maybe for 300 years

if you want to be very generous 300

maybe 400 if you want to push it years

okay

300 400 there are 10 000 years of

recorded human

civilization but in those 300 to 400

years in that small amount of time when

regarding greater human achievement in

that small amount of time we have been

sorry 5 000 years

is it 5000 years yeah recorded

5000 civilization for 10 000 recorded

for 5 000.

okay within that recorded civilization

in those 300 to 400 years we have

ushered ourselves into an age previously

unseen and that's thanks to the west

no it's not thanks to the west

it's thanks to the combined

civilization of all mankind and the west

was the place that merely reflected upon

this

so no

it's not just thanks to the west

the west was a peninsula

that reflected upon this in its own way

but ultimately the modern world for

example

was created in asia

if it wasn't for

the silk road there would be no

renaissance in italy

there would be no revival and

rediscovery

of the sciences

and of philosophy

were it not for the silk roads and the

trade routes that were opened up by

asiatic empires

where actually the great majority

of the wealth of mankind was actually

being produced

europe was peripheral in relation to all

of this

but why

even though they opened up the trade

routes why did you as you say these

renaissances this rediscovery of the

sciences these applications because the

west was based on because the west was

merely based on negation

it took all of the determinate wealth of

all civilizations

and it reduced it to the bluff

of a common negation

it was just a reaction and a response

and a negation it was an abstraction

and the bluff is now being called with

the rise of china

and the rise

look of all in the rise of a new

multipolar or order in which the older

civilizations from turkey to russia

to even latin america now

are beginning to be revived

to the bluff

of the west

and its challenge for humanity is now

being answered

but don't you think this is due to more

demographic shift than it is to no it's

sort of

are you sure

i mean if you think about it on the

surface level

the demographic chips in the west are

allowing because there's not there's no

longer that you're that strong european

influence that once was in the west

these countries are having it like they

have the ability to rise now

because they have outside and inside

help hence why like like i said i'm

taiwanese american i know a lot of

chinese americans many of them while

loyal to the us even though they've

never been to china they still have a

sort of connection there and are willing

to help them out

even if they've never been there it's

this sort of demographic shift that aids

these countries in their so you know

quote unquote revival the quote-unquote

growth today

that's just a cope

what do you mean it's just the code

you're just coping

no it's not a cope yeah it is

haas please

okay but but like seriously though

these countries are gonna get better for

sure but we have to give the west credit

where credit's due

so i'm not i never uh when have i said

the west and never contributed anything

to humanity

no you you

you basically said no you haven't said

that but you basically said that the

west

uh

is not was not really the determining

control no it's not

i no that's why i disagree though i

think it is i think i think for example

i come from taiwan and while you call it

an inferiority complex this is how the

majority of taiwanese people think like

they think like me if they think that

then the majority of them do have an

inferiority complex i just doubt the

majority do think like that

no it's true ask any taiwanese person

holy [ __ ] populist thank you so much

fifty dollars

what happened holy [ __ ] populist thank

you so much man appreciate you a lot

jesus

uh okay yeah but yeah a lot of them do

think like me they have the same belief

system that like taiwan because look if

it weren't for the west taiwan wouldn't

exist

we need them

we need to we need to up you know keep

taiwan stable and it's because of the

united states

if you're actually taiwanese which i

highly doubt

you coming on my show and uh

making a fool of yourself and just

shaming yourself would you be shaming

myself

what if i said that was shameful

yeah

listen didn't you call yourself a

patriot earlier when you're arguing with

that little kid

what

didn't you call yourself a patriot

when you were arguing with that little

kid

based

you said you were a patriot you said you

liked this country

you even framed it within islam you said

do we don't bite that hand that feeds

you correct

hold on i'm reading a tweet what are you

saying

uh no i said you you called yourself a

patriot right

yes

yeah you called yourself a patriot

so as a patriot while you can just

disagree with the united states in

certain aspects you have to admit the

united states um upholding the sanctity

of taiwan is a good thing because

they're basically

in a sense keeping people safe because

if china got their hands on taiwan we'd

be [ __ ] dude

so i'm a patriot and i believe in this

country and its people

why the [ __ ] is my country halfway

around the [ __ ] world

no but but do you in uh in a province of

china tell me why my country should be

halfway across the [ __ ] world

instead of focusing on ourselves

first of all it's not a province of

china uh second of all yes it is

no it isn't it's an independent free

state so what duty does my country have

to occupy some place halfway across the

world

is that

dude the united states doesn't occupy

taiwan okay

so why are we there why are we there

tell me why we're there

we're there because listen most why why

are we there

most taiwanese people don't want chinese

influence that's not our problem that's

not even if that was true it's not our

problem

okay it might not be it might not if

they listen listen listen listen we have

our own country taiwan is not a state of

this country if what the majority of

chinese people think that has nothing to

do with us okay it might not be it might

not be the united states problem but

you're you know you have to understand

the united states is a geopolitical

actor if someone beckons for the united

states why do we have to be there why do

we have to be there because taiwan asked

them to be there it's not a question so

what

what do you mean so what it's it's

taiwan asked us to be there even if

that's true which is not

why are we there and by the way taiwan

didn't ask us to [ __ ] be there

the taiwanese people never wanted to be

independent from china

that's [ __ ] dude no they didn't

the us pressure is what tried to

pressure and snake

the uh kmt

with this separatist [ __ ] the kmt

didn't want separatism the kmt

first yeah the kante didn't want

separatism because they were the

rightful freaking government of china so

let them continue to believe that but

they don't want to be separatists

no they didn't want to be separatists

because they perceived themselves to be

the original amt was founded by son

yatsen

yeah i'm aware the name of the party

which

inherits the name of sun yat-sen will

never ever allow china to be broken into

pieces they will never allow for china

to be broken into two pieces

yeah

look dude that's because taiwan is the

real china

then let them think that

let them make their case for the chinese

people then let them make their case

it's a matter internal to the chinese

people

and no one else your ccp will actually

listen to that case

the majority of the chinese people are

with the communist party

yeah just like how the majority of the

taiwanese people are with the united

states

okay well guess what

taiwan is not part of china now is it

i mean taiwan is not part of the united

states now is it

taiwan is an independent actor that

actually yeah so it's not relevant if

the majority of them want us there even

if they did it's not relevant

yeah it is no it's not

china china is an imperialist

expansionist actor that's all it is

china's imperialist and expansionist

because it lays claim

to some a part of china that's always

been a part of china for hundreds and

hundreds of years but the us isn't

expansionistic

because it's halfway across the [ __ ]

world meddling in people's affairs over

business that has no con that is of no

concern to america or its people right

i'm talking about taiwan you're talking

in general

in the case of taiwan i'm saying that

taiwan wants the united states to be

there i don't care who cares

about the taiwanese people who cares

we're not their government

okay they're not okay i get it we are

not their government they don't vote

they're not citizens and they don't pay

taxes

you can make you can make the same case

for many different countries yeah i am

making the case for all other countries

who collaborated with the nod so for

example do you want japan

to have a military like able to be able

to wage war again do you want that

that has that is of no concern to me

that's not that's of no concern to you

if japan tries to reignite

its

former aggression against asian

countries

that will be for japan to have to deal

with

and let me tell you the prospects don't

look bright but something tells me the

japanese people don't want that

let me ask you one question

and then then i'll [ __ ] off from your

chat okay i'll just one question

if china wasn't communist would you

still have these takes

yes

if china was ruled by a confucian

uh theocracy it would be the same thing

like

[ __ ]

racist you know chinese people are

racist as hell right you know i don't

care and i doubt that they're not racist

they're just honest

they're not they're just honest they

they're wary of foreigners in general

they're not racist

if that were the case then white monkey

jobs wouldn't exist in china and blacks

wouldn't be discriminated the way they

were there

everyone who's a foreigner is going to

receive discrimination in china

well whites whites seem to do pretty

well for themselves you know there's a

couple of white people in china no

that's actually that's no longer really

the case actually what do you mean by

that

they're no longer getting special

treatment the culture's changed

that's not dude come on paws come on

look it up

white monkey jobs still exist in china

today there's no this is not it's not as

much as before they don't get special

treatment anymore

that's why so many of them are vlogging

and leaving and uh being butthurt about

it because nobody they're not they're

not seen as exotic or interesting at all

anymore

i've been to a mcdonald's look i'm going

to tell you something

i normally don't this is a true story

you're going to think it's [ __ ] but

this is 100 true

i went to beijing

was it

three or four years ago

and i went to a mcdonald's

and there was a black guy in there who

worked as a cashier he spoke he spoke

fluent mandarin his mandarin was

excellent

but

when a chinese per like he was this one

chinese old lady she didn't see him her

back was turned to him and she turned

around and she was like

and then she like ran away

at the mere sight of a black guy

it's not because chinese people are

racist it's because they're not used to

seeing people who look different

probably she wasn't used to seeing

someone who looks different she was an

old woman who lived in china

without seeing people who looked very

different from she did and there's

nothing it's not inherently racist it's

just

she was probably shocked that someone

looked different

if that's true it's assuming what you're

saying is true

it's not racist racism for example

is dehumanization racism for example is

having a country with a history of

slavery

and actual racial discrimination against

black people and treating them as

second-class citizens because you're

saying you're superior and they're

inferior people being surprised or

fascinated or

even afraid of foreigners

because they're just not used to seeing

them is not inherently racist

firstly how is china supposed to take

black slaves from africa considering

their geographical uh position

second of all

there were people literally avoiding his

you know cashier or whatever you know

cash register thing whatever you want to

call it because he was black

this is what you're saying is true

which i doubt

china is a humanistic civilization

and i'm sure china has an internal

dialogue about

the widespread conceptions and

treatments of foreigners to the extent

that it becomes an issue but as far as

i'm concerned

there's nothing inherently racist about

china's treatment of foreigners

there's nothing inherently racist no

there is implying that chinese people i

don't like you're not really implying it

i'm sorry i don't want to accuse you of

anything i look up to you by the way can

i just get that out of the way i look up

to you i don't want to

say you're implying this

but you're implying that

chinese people

don't really have access to i mean they

don't have access to the internet if you

think about it but chinese civilization

has had no history of colonizing random

foreign countries so they don't have a

phenomena of mass immigration where

they're going to be exposed to different

cultures and different peoples on a

day-to-day basis

first of all china

um what you

when you think in your head when you

think of china

that is comprised of different

ethnic

groups

it that entire land yeah and that's why

as far as the ethnic groups that are

indigenous to china people have come to

an understanding to be able to deal with

each other and interact with each other

but as far as complete foreigners are

concerned

it can be intimidating for some

especially older and rural chinese

people

who don't know how to interact with them

they just don't

they just uh you know they're just

different people

they look different i mean and they

don't know

you know it's just different it's

different there's nothing racist about

that

but they didn't come to an understanding

there's still ethnic conflict in china

today

it's it's not as reported on so you

probably don't but they've come to it

they've more or less come to an

understanding

whatever extent of ethnic conflict

exists within china it's nowhere like

the us

china

listen

china

is a country yeah okay wait a minute

wait a minute look

did i

hear what you just said correctly it's

nowhere like the us

they're not putting people in the u.s

here in camps

they're not doing that

they're not doing that in china either

huh

the ap press just released an article

saying oh i guess they're not doing it

anymore

you first of all

look who the ap press is owned by

and then come back and tell me why you

think they said this is owned by

the jews

hold on

try to ban this guy

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