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Hello, everyone!

Welcome to the Infrared Webcast.

Welcome, welcome, welcome.

We have entered a new stage where part of the news that we cover is actually going to be news. We ourselves have a hand in producing, namely news about the American Communist Party.

And I'm excited to share with you some news on that front.

Ooh, I have other news. I can't tell you about it, though.

I really can't tell you about that news.

You'll find out in a few weeks.

I'll be the first one to tell you.

But it's big, big news.

Anyway. But it's big, big news. Anyway, guys, I have some smaller news, which is nice.

So our director of personnel, I want everyone to give a round of applause for Kyle, executive board member and director of personnel, because he has vetted well over a hundred members who are part of chapters.

We have several more than a several what's more than seven how do i say that anyway more than several chapters have officially become vetted and accepted.

And along with those several chapters, hundreds of members.

Okay.

And we still have hundreds of members more, a lot, many hundreds more to vet.

But Kyle has been doing this work non-stop in his capacity as the director of personnel and give it a round of applause for Kyle we will probably be approaching

in the coming days uh we're going to broadly open the party up a

little more to the public um because we have pretty much we're pretty much don't shoot me if i'm

wrong about this, guys.

I'm talking about the team working on it.

I think we vetted everyone who we had on, like, the high priority list, who was already, like,

Rick, really ready to just join right away.

There's others, many others we have to process, but it was supposed to be last night, but there were some technical issues with the website.

Darg is working on it, and he has told me that tomorrow that is when the website chapters should start

appearing and they will be given social media accounts which will be on the website itself

uh in the coming days.

But watch out for impostors because they're going to come.

This is probably when the impostors are going to start coming.

Again, we are the biggest victim of false flags on the internet.

By far, People make accounts

pretending to be affiliated with us

in order to discredit us and embarrass

us and our crazy

psycho stalkers will take

a screenshot of it and it'll go super

viral. Totally not fed boosted

by the way. Uh, so we, we built technology to mitigate

and prevent that fact. So unless it appears on the website, there's no, there's not,

they're not going to have their own social media chapters unless those appear on the website.

And watch out for impostors big time.

Anything you see that's not vetted.

I already see, you know what, I don't want to call them out to embarrass them, but I already see

one.

There's one that I DM'd and they

fixed it and they understand.

There's another one still going around

calling themselves

the official social media

account of some chapter. and i don't think those

guys are feds or whatever or i don't think they're false flagging but they are misusing what a chapter

social media account should be doing to be clear you guys can still have your own guerrilla accounts or your personal accounts or whatever.

But the chapter accounts are not here for you to jibber jabber and yip yap and issue official statements and talk about and post memes i mean memes are fine

but i mean like post like uh thought thought pieces or just i don't know like or theory, like, that's not what it's for.

You're not supposed to be using these chapter accounts to just, like, yip-yap, okay?

You're supposed to use them to actually talk about specifically what your chapter is actually doing. Okay. And, you know, once you apply as a chapter,

you get social media guidelines. That's all the chapters already have them that are in waiting for their social media accounts.

They have social media guidelines and it's pretty exciting. In the coming week, I think we're going to start seeing some activity and you know we are not and i want to

this is going to be the only time i want to address this we are not trotskyites okay so we are

definitely taking the slow and steady, you know, realistic path, socialism in one country kind of deal.

None of this like extremely, you know, bombastic permanent revolution spectacles or whatever, we are slowly but surely

working our way toward the very realistic goals we have set about for ourselves.

And with that being said, speaking of the devil, there is a Trotskyite cult. I don't know what it is, but it's been around for a very long time. I think what are they IMT or something? I don't know. I don't actually know which one, but I just know they've been around for like decades.

Yeah, it's the IMT or whatever, or it's a rebrander of the IMT.

And they, I'm only mentioning them because they've gotten a lot of attention by, you know, putting on a very big spectacle outside with red flags and a considerable amount of people.

And they said, this is the launch of our party.

And, well, I thought your party

launched like a month's ago or something.

Like, I don't know. Well, I don't care.

It's not besides the point.

Anyway, I just find it funny

because I saw one of these guys make a snide

remark where they were like, oh,

look at the comparison between our launch and ACPs.

This is how you do a real launch. This is, so it's like, first of all, all we did is declare the party.

We just declared the party. Our inaugural event is going to be in September.

All we did is declare the party.

That was what we meant by the launch.

It wasn't our

first Congress or our inaugural

event or something like that.

It was just our

declaration of the party.

And why didn't we make that more of a spectacle?

And this is actually what I want to talk about.

We didn't make that more of a spectacle.

And I want you to listen to my words carefully,

because many of you are already communist or prospective communists.

And by communist, I mean capital C communist, who's a member of the American Communist Party.

So this is very important for you.

It's very important we have a sense of shameless and confident presence and authority.

And I totally agree with that.

But in my view, and I think all of the leadership agrees with me on this, we also don't want to congratulate ourselves too much on having this ideological outlook because it gets on to the level of something antisocial.

When you see a march of 500 people on the street with red flags, we are dreaming and aspiring for a time that will come

where that will be something meaningful in this country. But I think that all it does right now

is just intimidate people. And it's definitely not something we have planned. I mean, we're going to have

hundreds of people at our inaugural event, but we're not going to put on a spectacle and run past

the pacing of the masses themselves because we care about leveling with the level of consciousness

that the masses are at now and what these kinds of things mean for them right now. We're already

calling ourselves communists. We're already completely unapologetic about that.

And it's ironic because we're not Trotskyites, meaning we are unapologetically people who uphold the memory of Stalin and Mao and the entire experience of communism in the 20th century.

We don't say like the Trotskyites do that, oh, it was betrayed and it wasn't the real thing.

It's like, no, we're actually the real deal, communists.

But at the same time, we're not here to, we're not here to like get excited and get high off our own supply by, you know, I'm not against red flags.

It's just like, but do you need a hundred red flags?

That's kind of where I'm coming from with this it's more like

yeah i mean you're a communist you don't you don't need to hide that but you also don't need to

pretend like we're on the cusp of a communist-led revolution because we're not.

And we have a lot of work to do as far as working closely with the masses

to actually redefine in their eyes what communism means,

which can only be done through practice, through deed and not just word, right?

So we definitely will have our own presentation, our own aesthetics, which will be unapologetically communist.

But the goal is not to overwhelm people. The goal is not to overwhelm people the goal is not to intimidate people the goal is not to frighten

people or be shocking to people the goal is to be realistic about where we are right now in this country and have a reasonable and

realistic appraisal as communists of what our relationship to that is. And there is a very real reason why we are reconstituting the c p u s a because what i just

told you right now is exactly what the elders of the c p u s a almost ad verbatim will tell young and enthusiastic rank and file and that is why the

conflict we had with them was so intense because there is a grain of wisdom in their position not in the

content of their position but the reasoning they use.

There's a grain of Marxist-Leninist wisdom in that.

It's just that the way they applied that and the conclusions they drew from it were completely and catastrophically wrong. For them, realism means just tailing behind

the Democratic Party. They are right in the, okay, so the Marxist-Leninist position is correct in the

sense that the primary contradiction,

let's just call it that, I know that's not

Orthodox pre-Mal Marxist

nationalism, but whatever.

There is a broad, national,

democratic, and popular struggle struggle and the goal of communists is to articulate

the meaning of communism within the context of that struggle not to create a struggle from

scratch based on uh aspiring toward the supremacy of our ideals, which is something

I think Trotskyites do. I think Trotskyites, such as these ones, are trying to create a conflict

based on an ideological position.

They're trying to create a conflict that's based on communists versus non-communists just from scratch.

Well, no, I mean, the meaning of communism has to be given context by an already existing real movement of history.

So the CBUSA leadership superficially understood that, but they wrongly translated that to mean that the national democratic and popular struggle was bound up with the

Democratic Party and Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and whatever. And that was just such a huge

mistake they made. And I actually talk about this in my writing, my substack, it's called the Brahmins of Democracy, where I talk about the source of the mistake.

The mistake is that they confuse the institutional form of the masses and the people with the people themselves, and that if they really applied Marxism, Leninism, in the American

context, they would have, it would have led them to something that's kind of like what we coined

as Maga communism, which is not to say you swap out the democrats for the republicans but is rather to

say that the broad national democratic and popular movement it's taking its kind of embryonic

first stages in this very ambiguous MAGA thing that's been going on up until now or whatever, right?

It's obviously national. It's rooted in a movement of national sovereignty.

It's obviously democratic. It's challenging

institutional gatekeepers that are attempting to

prevent the popular sovereignty

of the masses from

having any kind of recognition.

And then it's popular.

It represents, again, a new form of popular sovereignty in the digital age.

It's just not clearly defined.

It's just ambiguous. It's not, on the ideological front, of course, it's deeply problematic. But this is the context we're in. Now, it's very important you understand what this means. It's just defining the context. It's not to say the context

is an ideological struggle, just the opposite. The context is deindustrialization. The context is

this problem of popular sovereignty. We don't have a democracy anymore. The government has been hijacked, yes, by a deep state, bound up with corporate and financial interests, right? We have a problem of a conflict between the relations of production and the forces of production in the form of

automation and new technologies. We have a problem of

a loss of any kind of, well, I already said popular sovereignty.

But a problem of the stagnation of the productive forces themselves,

willful stagnation.

We have a problem of monopoly capital, gatekeeping opportunity from the masses.

So all of these things define the context of the problem.

And there's many other things as well.

Don't be wrong.

I mean, rent, right?

Healthcare.

Debt.

It's the most important thing.

Debt.

But MAGA succeeded in broadly kind of articulating all of those problems whether they acknowledge them openly or not within the context of a renewed

struggle for popular sovereignty,

which is, of course, national sovereignty.

It's the same thing.

In Marxism, Leninism, the national and the democratic struggle were inexorably bound up,

as pretty much the same thing.

The origin of the nation state itself is where?

The French Revolution.

I don't know if I have time to switch up on that today, but there's a lot of spicy nonsense.

I don't want to call it spicy.

There's a lot of stupid nonsense going around on Twitter.

This was a few days ago because of the ridiculous opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics.

But there's a new kind of defamation and condemnation of the French Revolution happening, and we have to stand against that completely.

But in any case... The leader of Hamas was martyred, Volk, is that what I'm hearing?

Oh. Oh, wow. That is not good news. He was residing in Qatar, was he not or was he in iran he was in tehran unbelievable okay well we're gonna we're gonna definitely talk about that um rest in peace you know

may god bless his soul um we will i i need to read about what happened.

We're definitely going to talk about that.

Yeah,

don't worry about if we'll make a statement.

We have to consult with each other. Probably, yes, though. I mean, I'm just hearing about it just now. I'm just hearing about it now. He was killed in his Tehran home. Got it.

Yeah.

Between this and the bombing in Beirut,

which I guess we're going to combine these news events as far as our coverage.

I don't know, guys, you tell me, it's looking like this may be a tipping point kind of scenario. Definitely we can expect a very strong response to this if nothing else

but yeah put the facts in fact checking while I continue

talking about the French Revolution anyway back to the Trotskyite thing. That's what we wanted to continue talking about. Look, Marxism, Leninism is about realism. It's not about ideological enthusiasm and excitement.

And, you know, a lot of people are confused because they see the footage of the RCA people and they're like,

what the hell is going on?

I mean, is this you guys?

A lot of people are like, what is the difference between you guys?

And it's almost embarrassing having to explain that.

So if anyone asks you what the difference between us and them, just say the truth.

Okay. And don't be ideological. Just say the truth. Okay. And don't be

ideological. Just say the truth. Just be like

they are followers of

they're what you call

Trotskyites.

They rejected the communist

the real communist countries we're more

communists like china is like we're marxist lenin is that's really all you have to

say because it's just the truth like we're more like china style

communists they're just some kind of of cult from a long time ago.

That's really all you have to say.

It's the truth, right?

It's the truth.

Now, what else did I want to say um yeah like i said it's not it's not that we're allergic to

red flags definitely not but your how you present yourself to the public should be measured in proportion to realistically the scenario we're in right now it should be measured like it shouldn't you shouldn't be afraid You should be bold and you should be confident.

But here's what I mean by this.

I imagine for our inaugural event in September, how we present ourselves is just going to authentically reflect where we're at right now.

We are right now aspiring to build a strong

communist movement in this country and a strong communist party. So in our inaugural, it's all

about our status, our, our aspirational kind of sentiment.

It's like we are dreaming of this.

We're ready to start working.

We're ready to get to work.

And, you know, we're ready to begin.

Not like, okay, everything is already here you know like like this huge

movement has come to because that's kind of what they've dishonestly done they flew out everyone

from god knows where.

All across America, 500 people, and for some odd reason,

they did a show of force and a march

in Philadelphia to make it

seem like there's already this huge communist

movement here. I just don't

find that very honest.

It's not really...

I mean, look, but here's the thing.

I don't even know why I am talking about this

with the depth that I am, because they're Trotskyites.

They're not communists in the way

we are. Like

it's the same name

that they use, I guess, but it's like it

could not be more different.

It's a completely different

historical tradition that has nothing

we are so many degrees of separation

removed from people like that

it would be like comparing

I don't know I mean it's like comparing

hmm

it's like comparing

some kind of strange Babylonian cult to Christianity

I mean sure somewhere yeah there's some kind of like shared lineage

maybe but it's just like not

at all

anything to do with where we're coming from

and I kind of

want to take like five minutes to talk

about why that is because it's one

thing to be like all right they're Trotskyites moving

on who cares but thing just to be like all right there's Trotskyites moving on who cares but I

guess to be principled I want to just simplify what makes Marxism Leninism

different from the Trotskyite outlook and worldview in a very simple way that I

would you know I think would be pertinent right now.

So it all has to do with what does it mean, what does being a revolutionary mean to us?

What does revolution mean to us? Why don't we kind of talk about that enough?

And then the

measured thing you could say,

well, we're not in a revolutionary situation.

But does

that matter? I mean, are you revolutionaries

or are you reformists? Eventually there's going to have

to be a revolution. And then, you know,

but for us, revolution doesn't mean the same thing.

For us, a revolution is not something that happens because we want it to happen and we're trying to make it happen because of some like preconceived

aspiration to want to overthrow the government or want to overthrow society in general.

That's not the Marxist-Leninist approach. That's not the Leninist approach.

For a Leninist approach. That's not the Leninist approach. For a Leninist or a Marxist and for Lenin himself and for every revolutionary in history, I would argue, to be a

revolutionary is just to be someone who has the courage to honestly give expression and articulation to the situation you're living in and the world you're living in.

It's not about volunteering to want to overthrow and

topple the government from scratch. Step one is just having an honest and authentic relationship with the world you're living in.

Name the thing that everyone is scared to name.

Name the injustice that is affecting everyone,

but which everyone is afraid or lacks the courage or lacks the clarity

to give clear expression to.

It's really about

insisting upon the integrity

of the meaningfulness of history

and humanity and the society

you live in and its history in the present just insist on that integrity

insist upon the fact that as a society we all know that we hold ourselves to a standard worthy

of our own human sense of dignity and of our own historical traditions

that are before us. I mean, all it takes to be a revolutionary in America is not be a crazy

guy who's just shouting about how you want to overthrow the government.

It just takes someone who asks a simple question.

Are we living up to the history of this country?

Is this what this country was founded upon? I'm not even talking

about ideals. Like in 1776, it was a popular revolution where the people had the courage to

stand up to the injustice of the British occupation and the the

oppression against them by the British and they wouldn't tolerate it they insisted upon

having a shared sense of popular sovereignty where their basic human dignity, they insisted

that that would be respected. Are we living up to the spirit of that history right now?

That's what it means for us to be a revolutionary. It doesn't mean voluntarily, you know, running around naked, saying you want to destroy whatever this stuff.

No, that's infantilism.

Being a revolutionary is just about having the courage to tell the truth about the society you live in.

And everything that proceeds from that is history.

Everything that follows from that um that happens naturally once you get the first part down

the rest follows very very easily okay the october revolution in russia all you had to do

is have the simple courage to acknowledge

the fact, the following fact.

The provisional government doesn't

have the mandate of the people.

So there's this vacuum. It doesn't

have the popular sovereignty.

It's a sham

government. It's a sham government.

It's a dictatorship.

It was literally a dictatorship, and it's illegitimate in the eyes of the people, and no one is seizing on the opportunity because everyone is so confused and nobody understands the situation we're in right now. But Lenin understood it.

And so in Lenin's April thesis, he's not a voluntaristic, you know, pervert who's just saying,

yeah, anarchy in the UK or whatever, like, no, what he's doing

is very realistically

appraising the situation that he's in

and having the courage, having

the courage

to be responsible for it. Having the courage to be responsible for it having the courage to be responsible for his historical

situation as it is not as you're clouding it with ideological phrases not according to your emotions not

no but for what it actually is, right?

So the Trotsky-eyed view is very different.

The Trotsky-eyed view is about, you know, drawing a conclusion about capitalism or about the world, and on the basis of the conclusion you draw, giving yourself the mandate of heaven to basically, declare a revolutionary situation where you're just going to topple the government right now.

And then once you do that, it's going to start a permanent revolution where the revolution is never going to end until the entire world is somehow simultaneously conforming to your own preconceived ideological and political vision and project.

So Trotsky, it's based on arrogance. It's not based on realism. It's based on arrogance. It's an arrogant idealism. Marxism, Leninism is a humble materialism. It's a humble realism. That's not to say we don't have the courage to muster our own sense of authority.

We carry that red banner and we carry it to the highest hill and we defend it.

We disdain to conceal our views.

But we allow communism to be defined by what it actually is as the real movement of history, not what we think it should be based on preconceived conclusions we've already drawn in our heads.

It's a faithfulness to history in the course and process of its development that separates us from them.

It's having the courage to not have to rely on the ruling ideology, not having the arrogance of just imposing your own ideology on the world. We're not the ideological ones. We're the realists. I mean, and we're going to talk about in a second an example of this, actually. But, you know, Marxist Leninists are not the ideological you know fanatics we're just the realists.

Our fanaticism isn't based on ideology. Our fanaticism is based on a sense of worldly justice here and now, based on the situation we're in now.

It's not based on an ideology.

You know, it's based on a specific type of responsibility and responsivity to the present conditions we live in.

We are fanatical about our faith in the people and the cause of the people, as they actually are here and now. That's what we're fanatical about.

We are fanatical champions and fighters for the working class as it actually exists.

Not the ideal one in our head, but the one that actually exists.

We're fanatical about justice for East Palestine, Ohio.

We're fanatical about justice for protesters getting their skulls cracked, rallying, and trying to fight for Palestine.

We're fanatical about defending the rights of the people,

including J-Sixers who were locked up for 20 years or whatever.

We're fanat—the whole people the whole working class you know we're fanatical about the railroad workers justly fighting for their rights striking you know we're fanatical about these things that's what makes a

zealots and fanatics not an idea that was conceived in someone's head but the real existing

situation here and now.

That's what we're fanatics about.

And I'll give you an example of how we're not the ideological ones.

Venezuela.

Now, Carlos was in Venezuela jackson is still in venezuela he they attempted to the them by mean the cia nafo opposition um they docks to him on Twitter. Nothing got reported. Nothing got taken down. And they started advocating violence against Jackson. Thankfully, he's safe right now and he's going to be good. He's going to be safe, I think. I'm confident in that. But the Hitler writes,

the CIA, they're all coming after him trying to kill him in Venezuela. And why is that? Because he's reporting the truth firsthand. Now, Jackson never went to Venezuela ever. And I talk to Jackson all the time and he tells me the truth, right? He tells me the truth in private, like the truth about things going on in places around the world and stuff.

Even when it's not the right time to report this publicly, we still know the, you know, we still know everything that's going on.

But color me shocked how much visibility. that's going on.

But color me shocked

how much Venezuela's lied about

by the media. Because Jackson

not only is reporting this publicly,

but he's confirmed it with me privately.

You would not believe how much they've lied about Venezuela. They said everyone's

starving there. You go to a grocery store and everything's filled up. You go to Caraca,

sure, there's some slums here and there, but it's not, it's not what the media told us it was.

You know, people aren't eating cats and dogs or whatever.

And plus, I didn't even know this.

They have total food sovereignty right now.

So they've secured their food supply.

We haven't done that.

We don't have food sovereignty.

They had an inflation crisis many, many years ago, which the media blew outer, you know,

it kept strongly emphasized, oh, this is socialism, this is Venezuela.

But they didn't report on us how the government responded to that crisis. Inflation went from 36,000 to 90%. They got total food

sovereignty. They got it under control. You think if we have that crisis, sorry, not if, when we have that crisis, you think our government's going to get it under control like that? When the dollar faces its coming due

which it

make no mistake of it it will

you think we're going to have the ability

to do that no because we're not

led by a socialist government that gives

a shit about the common welfare

of the people we are led by a government that gives a shit about the common welfare of the people. We are led by a government

that exists to serve as a tool, to plunder and loot and exploit the American people.

So they have totally lied about Venezuela.

And we are not, we don't have to be ideological to report that to you.

We're just telling you the truth. We're the realists.

All these people talking shit about Venezuela you know they are ideologically brainwashed they've been told by the media that Venezuela is a shithole and it's a horrible dictatorship and everyone's starving, but that's an ideological

form of brainwash you've been subjected to. Please, open your eyes, take off the spy kids 3D glasses

or whatever. Welcome to the real world.

Venezuela has its problems, but it is nowhere near what Elon Musk and the mainstream media is trying to tell you that it is.

Okay.

Welcome to the real world.

You know, and Elon Musk is, he's obviously spreading fake news, and I can't tell what it is.

It's like Elon Musk, he's always been with the Department of Defense.

That never changed.

So is he just, is nothing new?

Or is he having, you know, does he have to make compromises?

That's not to defend him. I'm just trying to understand. I guess. you know, is, does he have to make compromises?

That's not to defend him.

I'm just trying to understand, again, realistically, what's going on.

It seems like Elon Musk is basically winking some... It's either he's just always been doing their bidding which probably is the more realistic conclusion let's be honest

or he's like giving winks wink wink wink to the uh deep state he's like guys i'm on your side lay off of me

you know bring the investor bring the advertisers back to twitter uh you know don't come after me please uh wink

wink i'm totally on your side when it comes to venezuela so he's basically like throwing his

principles under the bus i'm saying maybe right That's like a 20% possibility.

80% realistically,

Elon Musk is just a Pentagon agent,

and there's nothing more to it.

And, you know, I think... I mean, nothing more to it.

And, you know, I think... Let me tell you something.

I mean, like, do you think it's a coincidence that Hitlerism is on the rise on X?

I mean, is that really just because it's what everyone truly thinks?

Doesn't that kind of play into the hands of U.S. imperialism very easily?

I mean, sure, they're going to yip yap about Jews.

Now they're calling Maduro a Jew, by the way.

They're now calling Maduro a Jew.

It's the perfect thing to siop dissident voices into supporting U.S. imperialism. You know, oh, yeah, let's invade Haiti

because we don't like black people. Maduro is a Jew, so let's support the Zionist opposition in Venezuela.

You know, oh, Iran is brown, so let's bomb Iran. You know, like, this new Hitlerite ideology, I feel like, was created in the Pentagon.

What do you guys think about that?

The new Hitlerite...

Yeah, now Fuentes is supporting regime change.

Really?

Doesn't surprise me.

That guy is now supporting Kamala Harris.

Funny enough.

So, the Hitlerism thing was created in the Pentagon, probably, because all it's doing is raising consensus.

Guys, what did Hitler hate the most? He hated the Soviet Union.

What country today is the legacy of the Soviet Union? Russia is.

Who's in the crosshairs of the Pentagon

right now? Russia is.

China is. So the

number one historical anti-communist, Hitler,

that's who they're rehabilitating.

And you're going to tell me that that was just cooked up and delivered on a silver platter to the Pentagon without them even requesting it.

Maybe. Truth is stranger than fiction so maybe but let's let's let's let's be

open to the possibility that really this is just some pentagon shit like they

cooked up this hitlerism because it builds consensus for imperialism in a way that presents itself as dissident and anti-establishment, but in reality, is anything but that.

You know why I'm saying Pentagon and not cia it's like pentagon has always had nazi sympathies

cia is like giga nazi like they are um they have transcended nazism into the 12th dimension.

They go directly to the source to Madam Blavatsky and all the occultism and shit that informs the Nazis.

But it's the Pentagon that appreciates the fascist political system, I think, and the military, the militarism and so on.

It's like the CIA is esoteric Hitlerism, and the Pentagon is like pragmatic, you know, German war machine Hitlerism.

That's the difference between them in essence.

You know who would love that is Logo? Logo would love that, I think,

summation. The CIA is esoteric Hitlerism,

and the Pentagon is like, the DOD is like, you know, political, pragmatic, military, industrial Hitlerism.

That's the main

source of tension between these two

wings. Kamala Harris

is esoteric Hitlerism

and the Republican Party

is the

just open.

It's like the SS versus the uh you know well i don't know what faction in the

nazi party but maybe the german military i don't know but that's kind of a way to summarize it and yeah i don't know if i'd say the wehrmacht because

the essay yeah i don't know no No, not Prussian. The DoD. is like Hitler's, like, military agenda, his whatever, the fascist political and economic system. But the CIA is like on some sotira

hitlerism shit right that's really the difference yeah like the crop no that's

actually a good one the crop military industrialist that's actually a good good way of

putting it. Yeah.

Anyway,

anyway,

so this is the new wave of

siops being unleashed about Venezuela

so I've been told by my comrades

in Venezuela and yes

there are comrades now

it's not LARP

lawn guy

1990 what a great name

but I've been told by them that is 1990. What a great name.

But I've been told by them that is Logo actually in the show queue?

He is!

I'd love to bring him on. Logo,

what's up, man?

Hello? Yo, what's up, man? Hello?

Yo, what's up, dude?

I'm so glad it's not an imposter.

Yeah, no, dude, it's me.

That's me.

I've had this avie here.

I only go out of Discord to do this from time to time.

It's really funny. It was really

coincidental. I literally just mentioned

you like a minute ago.

I was just, well, I was just kind of like

because last time I talked to you was like the

Confusing Kamala and Kendrick already.

The Kendrick Drake stuff,

and I just, I just was thinking about

how a lot of my predictions from that time

period of, like, these phenomena

being very similar,

I've just, like, been totally,

objectively realized in, like, the last

couple of days or something.

So I was writing about that today and then I was

wondering like, oh, I wonder what Haas is talking about

and I started listening when you were talking

about like CIA

esoterrorism, etc.

So, and then you were like, logo would like this.

So here I am. Yeah, yeah. No, and then you were like, logo would like this. So here I am.

Yeah, yeah. No,

I reminded me, yeah, because I, do you agree

with that? Like, the CIA is, like,

Sotira Kittlerism. I was, uh, describing it as,

like, Satanism and Luciferianism,

but, like, I think we're describing the same sort of thing.

It is, yeah, yeah. It's the same sort of thing. It is. Yeah,

yeah. It's like, yeah. No,

yeah, it is. Satanism is very this

worldly. Like Satanism is like very much

like in the moment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's very much like in the moment

where it's like there's just this. It's Yolo.

Like literally like Drake's like Yolo. Like you only live one. it's like there's just this it's Yolo like literally like Drake's like

Yolo like you only look like

Hitler you know launching operation

Barbosa Barbarossa or whatever

Yeah yo like fucking Yolo

we ball

Yeah whereas like the

And then even if you look at

the Hitler regime itself Like the higher ups like the and then even if you look at the Hitler regime itself like the the higher

ups like the intelligence wing were more like the Luciferian or like the esoterics and they're

not concerned with this world at all they're concerned with like establishing a type of utopia.

Yep. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that's exactly how I see it.

And, you know, you've been on the nose

documenting it, but it's like

the, listen, I don't, I didn't even want to say anything because I'm like oh yeah everything's going according to plan like to me it would be kind of embarrassing if we didn't turn out to be right that was that would be like something I would force me to like say so i don't really i don't really worry about

that at all anymore because no i mean yeah i remember really funny what you are and then like no one

cares and like no one recognizes it it's just very funny yeah nobody's going to... Nobody's going to give us any credit.

I don't know how to cash in on this shit, honestly.

But nobody's going to give us credit.

It's actually kind of beautiful.

God protects us, true.

We tell the truth and therefore we're not...

We don't have to dirty ourselves

with not Maman's interests

yeah

that's one way of putting it but

we just like listen we actually

it's actually been extremely

providential I mean Jackson's down in Venezuela

right now like shit's actually

truly popping off. I'm happy for you all

starting the, uh,

the Oregon stuff. I mean, I'm, I'm obviously

not going to be done involved because I'm busy,

but, yeah, no, I figure it. That's,

you know, that's, that's really,

because I was thinking about that and i was like

you know you're you're way too busy but you know i did i was meaning to tell you it's obviously

always open i mean whenever yeah no if there's like a chapter in uh the bay, I might turn up now and again when I have the time.

But I can't, I'm not going to be leading shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm not fucking organizing shit.

That's what I'm not. I see, I don't have total control. J.B., what's up, man? I don't have total control, but

in my view, I would want

I want you to be like somehow officially recognized in some

I don't know what, maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves

like Larpie. I like, I'll be the myakovsky it'll be fun like yeah yeah like whatever like

let me blow like a certain amount of money like give me some money to play rough for like these i'm like

stage of play or something well look when our corporation gets up and running and we just have a bunch of money,

I am literally going to die on that hill. I don't care of what makes. Give logo all the money he needs.

I, listen, nobody believes me when I say it, but you, I literally, I was so shocked.

I was like, it's actually scary.

Like, you're actually like a fucking wizard.

One time logo, this is the only time I seen him do this.

He commissioned a meme in public.

He's like, someone should just make

this meme. Like, because even

you, like, didn't even care to, like, make it.

Yeah, it was bull to me.

It was true. It was like, that I literally

make coffee meme. And then, like, a day

later, it goes viral with like 45,000 likes

like millions of views.

Yeah, I don't want that.

I don't want that kind of heat on me, you know?

No, I'm not saying like you do have a...

I feel like if money was thrown at you,

you would return results.

Just from a corporate...

Really, I would just want to have time to, like,

write the books I want to write.

Like, I think about them all the time.

Because I think it's really, like,

that's, like, really what a novelist is trying to get in touch with.

It's like you're doing an anatomy.

Like the novel is an anatomy of a society.

So it's like if you're truly like trying to like write a novel, you have to like develop basically the same skills.

It's why a lot of like poets and poets and things are, like, it worked

in the, like, the glory days of the

American intelligence service. It was, like,

you know, these guys, like,

like, you know, James Jesus Angleton,

say what you will of him, but he had good taste

in poetry, you know?

Oh, yeah, yeah. These were all, like, this was back when, like,

the Ivy League literary magazines were actually really good.

I mean, I know what they're like now from the inside, but...

I was just thinking about this shit,

because I was thinking about, like, how retarded a lot of the parapolitics people are. And I was thinking to myself, I was thinking about like how retarded a lot of the parapolitics people are.

And I was thinking to myself, I was like,

how come they never like do background checks on like George R.R. Martin?

Because I feel like that guy has to be involved with like some like elite.

Really? I mean, he's a mediocre author, but it's like, with like some like elite really

I mean he's he's a mediocre author

but it's like people like that

like the way that they

the way that they become so popular

and like they tap into something

it's literally just HBO, dude.

Like, it's, like, it's, we already know that, like,

no one would be give a fuck about those books.

I remember reading those books when no one gave a fuck about them

a long time ago when I was into, like,

fantasy shit like that when I was, like, a teenager or whatever.

Stephen King or something?

Stephen King,

I don't know, maybe. I feel like he's kind of

like a midwit, you know? Like that's part

like, there's a lot of useful idiots also

like never underestimate the amount of

useful idiots there are.

That's true. Yeah, that's true. But no, I was saying, like, just, but just in general, like, in the literary community, that's definitely a place to look for...

Well, it's like, you know, the most obvious case, like, American literature has just kind of been poorly maintained, like, right, like, you know, purposefully. I could go off about, like, the Iowa writer's workshop and the sort of, like, house style that is a trained and honed

as being like explicitly anti-communist

like explicitly avoiding a type of

anatomy of society in favor of this like

sentimental subjectivist

nonsense you know this like these

ethno-narcissist

autobiographies

about them becoming self-actualized

as in the book that they're writing, which is

you know, about them actually just making money

and getting pageage in the system, you know what I them actually just making money and getting

patronage in the system, you know what I mean?

Like, it's disgusting.

But, you know,

it wasn't always like that. We used to, like,

there's a reason why we won

like the early 20th century

and stuff like that.

Like American poetry, like, even on that level was just like completely

far beyond everyone else.

Yeah, no. I mean, I have limited

exposure, but I

I think it's indicative of like

a whole society.

I was talking about a like because they're bringing it.

Oh, it's tough Marvel, dude.

Have you heard the recent, like what they're doing with the whole Marvel

Cinematic Universe now?

I saw it was the viral tweets about Robert Downey Jr.

Oh, dude, it's so much better than that because it's so beautiful.

Like, they had to, like, finally reconcile the impossibility of the multiverse by

inventing this new thing called, like, an anchor person or, like, an anchor point.

So every universe has, like, a specific, like, kind of or like an anchor point to the to so every universe

has like a specific like kind of

like world historical like it's like the

messianic thing it's like the Christ figure

of each little universe like in the

multiverse and your multi

your universe can die if that

depending on what happens to that person

and basically that person is

Robert Downey Jr. because

literally the Marvel Cinematic Universe

project was dying.

So they literally

canonized

they canonized the fact that they relied on this really popular actor

like in the fiction itself no but what it's going to be is that he is going to be the

thanos of the next arc right which will end conclusively the whole thing in like the early

2030s or something

they finally determine that there

has to be an end to the universe

but it has to be given meaning

through the

I really fucking hate

existence of Robert Downey Jr.

I fucking hate this retarded

multiverse shit and it's like I

You know what? Nobody believes me when I say this

I have never watched

A single Avengers film

Do you believe me when I say that? I've never watched it honestly

You don't have like

You know, Zizak said one thing when he was talking about How he talks about movies that he hasn't seen I've never... I believe you, dude. Honestly, you don't have... Like,

Zizak said one thing when he was talking about

how he talks about

movies that he hasn't seen

all the time or whatever.

That's such facts.

That's such facts.

He's right about certain movies.

Like,

there are a lot of...

There are,

like,

when we're talking about something like this,

you can read actually a plot synopsis. Most of the movie is a plot synopsis. Like a movie where the whole thing is just

like relaying plot to you.

You know, and it's not like,

you know, it's not like a shot meandering

on like the wind blowing through the grass

and this like beautiful, absolute particular

moment or something

is there any Marvel film

I watched the old ones like

the old Iron Man one and I think I

watched two and then I watched

America is there any

is there any I should actually watch

I mean it's it like, for what reason?

Like, should, to do so you can, like, have a fun time watching it?

It's like, well, you can have a fun time watching anything if you bring your...

Are any of them actually good?

I really don't know.

What is gig mean here, you know? Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what is good mean

here you know like I don't know like I don't

think they're good but like I wouldn't

I wouldn't say they're great films or

anything like that like but there's like no

no actually Venom I watched that and I

kind of yeah I didn't see that like I don't know

I like the only one I've've only, uh, I watch them, like, my form of watching them at this

point is, like, to tap into, like, to, like, the, the, the, the, the masses.

Like, what is, what people are getting hit with, like, you know? Yeah, well, I always like to say this. Like, what is what people are getting hit with? Like, you know?

Yeah, well, I would like to say this. Um, so right wingers can clip it. It's like,

we are the Jews and they're the goyim and they're like cattle. We have to, we have to

constantly keep our pulse because we're the ones in charge we're the protocols of zion

anyway i just think that it's like like like like i don't know like the like if you see like ukraine

azov stuff coming out around the same time as like Thor, like, Thor, Levin,

I don't even know the name title release them.

They're like, I didn't see that one, but I've heard that it's like a very,

like there's like a whole like Asgardian fooian

aspect to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Yeah, I've actually...

I've seen some... We have white guys

for Kamala now, and you can

organize white groups.

Yeah, that's what I wanted to bring up.

So,

so if you guys aren't, if you don't know,

Logo and I, like, years ago, we're saying that, like, the Azov battalion in Ukraine and the way that has united, like, the Ukrainian libtards and the Azov far-right neo-Nazis.

It's like that's really

like Richard Spencer

was already ahead of the curve on it

when he endorsed Biden.

But now with Kamala Harris,

we have approached the point

where like the Democrats

are kind of going full,

or I should rather say the Hitler rights are going full Democrat and then the reverse is kind of starting to be true as well obviously.

As you talked about or you alluded to the fucking white dudes for Harris, which all the white nationalists have praised because they're like, finally,

white identity politics.

They're like, this is all we wanted.

All we wanted was to be part of the identity politics

stuff. Like, you know, like, oh.

And they can, and they can, no, no one cares about anti-Semitism anymore.

At least like under a specific age cohort, you know, like, not talking about boomers, but.

Yeah.

And then Kamala Harris is, Nick Fuentes is kind of leaning toward Kamala, if not outright, supporting Kamala.

The far right is going for Kamala because they're saying that Trump is too pro-black and he's too non-racist.

No, no. Isn't that so funny? Isn't it hilarious?

Yeah, yeah. You know, I wanted to say I was going to talk about this and touch on it, but I'm kind of blind walking through it.

What's this whole stuff, or do you have thoughts formed yet?

The whole thing going on of like the weird, like Democrats saying, oh.

It's just a way to say that they're like perverts.

You couldn't use that word.

It would be too strong.

But it's meant to insinuate that.

No, it definitely is.

Foster, what's going on?

But it's like the Democrats are kind of presenting themselves as like the new normal

and maga are kind of like the ones that are like too much impassioned and like strange and like

weird because basically they are weird let's just be honest i mean i literally

talk about it in my substack the maga communism thing i'm like they represent bizarro america

right yeah and like a bizarre version and so like

they're always struggling to kind of like

it's almost like that thing of like

the conservatives or the new counterculture

but it's like actually kind of true in a way

like I mean

like not not a counterculture.

It's more like a, it's more an attempt to constantly defy, just an attempt to

see, this is why.

I mean, I feel like there's, I feel like there's something about the criticism of the right that I would like to appropriate from the Democrats.

Because I do feel like as people are, you know, the MAGA people, all these people, they realize all the media is lying to us.

Corporations are lying to us us like we're being lied to

everything we know is a lie but then it leads them down the anarchistic path of basically having to

kind of like become perverts who like challenge the norms of society in general which I think is a wrong path to make.

And to me, the preferable thing is if we could actually be the ones who are the new normal,

and in some sense at least least while maintaining that same kind

of like... This is what I think it actually

is. So you have like

like Naga types. They're like the party of

sinners, you know? They identify

as such. Yeah. But

that's why they say

all that shit's bad, right?

Like, you want to, like, you know, you have, like,

drug addicts who are, like,

you know, born again Christians who are like, drugs

are bad or whatever. But on the

other side, you have, like, the new normal, like,

someone like Hamla, where it's like, the most, like, you know, she'll, she's, she's not that crazy, you know, she hasn't done any, probably hasn't done anything as a, I don't know, as as strange as like the average

maga person or something in their life.

But we'll like totally

like look the other way in terms of like

promoting

sort of like worse activity.

Like you know what I mean more.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I get it.

Like, there's like a... That's like the real

gap. And so it works because

actually most of the, like, most

of the people, uh, who

are, who are going that way anyway,

uh, to vote for

Kamala. They are

you know, they

actually are kind of just

like normies, you know?

No, yeah, that's such fact. That's actually true.

You have to be kind of like

fucked up to go

like in one way or the other

you could or like you know it depends on how you grow

up I guess to be disturbed

or you have to be willing

to be like ostracized like I always had respect

actually I was never like a

right wing kid like when I was

in high school or whatever I was more of like a leftist yeah you know um so I would also disagree with the liberals but there would be like these like conservative people who would like those and I realized over time that those people actually they had principles like I didn't agree with some of their principles um I still probably and a lot of them and what's funny is as they got older they became Democrats you know like no what you said is actually it's like it's not only that that they had principals it's also like

when when you're like in primary school um even though i was left wing i couldn't get along with

leftists because they were like a bunch of like teachers pets and tattletails

and shit. Whereas

the right people who were like

just spontaneously had right wing views

tended to like just be funny

and like be willing to like

I don't know like break rules I guess

I don't know like do you I, I guess. I don't know.

Like, do you...

I was just thinking of just this particular person I grew up with who was like that in one of these, like, history, like, it was like an AP

history class of some sort.

And she was, like, very much like a conservative in, like, the Obama era. And she was like very much like a conservative in like the Obama era. And I was like,

I didn't like Obama either, but that was because I was like, you know, elected. But, uh, then like,

I remember like I, we were, we had like an argument about unions or something

and then like years later I saw her again and she was like

oh I totally agree with you now about unions

um her husband's a cop so she loves the police union

that's so funny

no no yeah there are different

variants definitely that's more kind of like the

TPUSA type of young conservators

oh no like they're Democrats

in Massachusetts

no I mean like

yeah no that they become Democrats yeah yeah they do yeah in Massachusetts. No, I know. I mean, like, a... Yeah.

No,

that they become Democrats.

Yeah.

Yeah, they become

the never-Trumpers.

Like,

that's the thing where it's like,

I felt,

I always felt like,

even back in 2016,

that people didn't really,

like,

even the people who,

like,

were meaning about Donald Trump,

they didn't actually understand him at all like what kind of person he was as somebody who he came from

as somebody he actually wanted to do etc as somebody back then who was like unconditionally anti-Trump, even I understood it.

I've always been a hardcore Stalinist.

Anonymous, thank you. Even I understood it, but I was like, I had too many convoluted theory in my head

that was the reason for me being anti-Trump.

But like on the spontaneous level,

like there was nothing...

Like, I deeply understood why he was popular

because like I saw it.

Like I understood it for yeah like I'm as someone

from Michigan like all the people that were supporting him I totally understood it and I

fucking hated Hillary too so there's that yeah it's not gonna be like that this time around

but yeah

I thought

that you know

I was kind of like a crazy conspiracy

theorist I thought like

Trump was going to usher in like a new

fascist.

Yeah, that's like the Donnie Darkin.

Where it's like like actually it's kind of where I was coming from.

Yeah, yeah.

I didn't even get a lot.

But I honestly think that's giving way too much props to Trump. Like, it's

like, like, have you

ever gone deep on the Q&ON stuff? I remember

I know, like, the Q&OND

lore, like, I went deep on it. Like, I,

I, uh, I consulted the Q clock.

I don't know if you know what that is.

No, I don't even know what that is.

Like time travel

and that like some of the messages

are posting.

Oh, that shit.

I think I think I,

is that the thing

where they're saying

like there was a time traveler

in 2000 or some shit?

No, they're saying like, so it's very funny because it's

a way to keep the, the same

posts that have been up there and like

from a deactivated poster

on like in the image board or whatever.

It's a way to make them relevant

again over and over and over again

because they're so vague

that you can just say,

actually, this is about right now.

And they just continue to do this.

So I've seen, like, yeah,

but that's what I mean where it's like,

like they're like the only people, like the people, like like, you have to have some more convoluted sort of sense of, like, the power that Trump has or has ever had or could potentially have as president to think that, like, I've been super connected about a lot of this because like look on the one hand

uh no i mean you're right about all that the donnie darko stuff being BS but like right now

twenty twenty four here's my thoughts and i i think you could offer clarity here because I'm super conflicted about it.

So it's like Trump, I mean, I feel like he's gotten all the big donors.

I feel like like he's, even Mark Zuckerberg is coming around to him, Silicon Valley is, like, even CNN doesn't seem like they're going that hard on him anymore

or as much as they used to.

And then, you know, on the other hand, like, part of me still wants to think that like people still have severely underestimated how much the kamala hegemony democrat hegemony is just so powerful and so firmly entrenched, like, especially among Normies or whatever, that, like, all of this Trump stuff in 2024 is just like, you know, it may be for a lot of the masses, obviously, It may be coming from a good place,

but it's just like the Jacobite

rebellion or whatever. It's doomed to fail

due to its inability

to actually understand

the root

causes of the discontent behind it.

Well, they never organized. It's in a...

Well, they never organized...

It's just a lesson you can learn is, like,

if you're not organizing your own thing,

then are you part of it?

It's like, basically, it's a vain...

It's a vain,'s a vain misplaced

failed rebellion

or it's like the ultimate

sci-op ever like I'm conflicted between those two all the time

I don't really know

well you should never think that there's only

one sci-op going on

in America because we don't, like, the

real conspiracy that most

conspiracy theorists don't want to

deal with is that there's nothing

that's actually a unified

totality. This is like just basic

dialectics, I guess, right?

But there's always

like even like that's how we

did our form of central planning is like

adversarial learning and things like this.

So is there a sciop to get

Trump elected? Absolutely.

Is there a sciop to get Kamala Harris elected? Absolutely. Why?

Because it doesn't matter either one for the larger shit at play.

No, that's true.

You just, so, so.

But like, do you think they even want Trump or is it just

totally... I think a wing of it does

and a wing of it doesn't, you know?

And that's how it all goes every single time.

And you just see really like...

I was like a, you know, Pepsi Deep State

theories. So like the head of the

Secret Service used to work

PepsiCo, you know, PepsiCo security

before getting into the state.

Interesting transition between those two things.

But it's very famous that Coca-Cola and Pepsi

have their, like, sort of partisan allegiances,

like in the White House vending machines depending on

who's an offer? I'll tell you that goes further.

So, um,

it goes, it stretches out

to all of the major consumer brands

in America. I haven't mapped all of them out, but like

here's a few that everyone knows.

So Coca-Cola is with Disney

and McDonald's, and Pepsi

is with Burger King and Universal.

Yep. Right? DreamWorks.

Yep, yep. And like, you can map it out

and it'll, it makes sense, actually. Like, it'll it'll it makes sense actually like for some reason it makes

sense that shrek is the Pepsi guy yes yes yes not the Coca-Cola guy yeah and then you look at

the demographics of like who drinks Pepsi and who drinks Coke and my... Pepsi is like the more

like

rugged, you know,

working class, whatever.

Coca-Cola is more refined

and respectable and it's like Disney.

And it's also the Christmas drink

which I don't know if that's relevant

but Coca- Well the thing is

is that Pepsi actually

well Pepsi actually is way more popular

among black people

Also

Every every Christmas The Christmas Soda among black people. True. True.

Because every Christmas,

the Christmas soda is whatever fucking whatever fucking remix they're putting

out.

You could, it also even goes further,

AMC is part of this

Donald's

Coca-Cola Coalition too.

Oh man,

it goes on forever and ever.

Yeah,

it goes in my

and the crazy thing

is like it actually makes sense.

And I tend to associate that with

but would I be wrong to?

I tend to associate that

with the Democrats the

Coca-Cola coalition oh no yeah that's what it is yeah or the Coca-Cola

party that's what I thought yeah and Pepsi is like the uh well it's like down

south right like a Coke would be any soda because they didn't even have

Pepsi you know

they're in none of that

uh it's interesting um

no it actually is um and it's

it's just like crazy more how it goes like

like I just have hunches about things

because like if you see like these things

together it's not nothing in the

meat like that's a product that's presented

to you is like unintentional

in some way you know what I mean like

it's a

even if it's like,

I know,

subjectively unintentional on the part of the person performing the action or whatever.

The fact that they're staged where they are is from like a,

a set of rational forces that sort of,

uh,

impinge upon

them, you know, impinge upon their actions.

But look, before, I feel

like an idiot, because before Kamala,

I feel like, are we, I don't know

what's going on, because before Kamala,

I really strongly felt like,

oh yeah, Trump is the universally popular candidate in the U.S.

I think they really called a rope-a-dope.

I mean, we got to say hats off to the Democrat's eye-off team on this one,

because, like, they were like, oh, we leave Joe.

He's like a ringer, dude. Like, he was just, like, they, they go we leave Joe he's like a ringer dude

like he was just like they

they broke adoped Trump basically

on this one because they were like

oh it's going to be so fucking easy

like and they held that out there for so long

and like the idea that they're going to

inflame Democrats about the

lack of democracy and the end of the selection

of Kamala Harris is so funny.

It's, uh, yeah, like, yeah,

they don't care. No one gives a fuck.

Kamala Harris has Charlie

C. What is her name?

X C. X. her name? X C.

X C.

And,

uh,

Megan,

and Nick Fuentes.

And you know,

Nick Fuentes is always trying to keep his pulse on like the zoomer culture because

God help that guy when he turns 35, though, honestly.

I don't know how he's going to keep any of this going.

I think that...

So, I'm pretty on...

I know the type, but I would assume that his life will change very much when his mother dies

then he can be

whoever he wants to be

I don't want to go down that path that's

it's a particular type of

Catholic psychosis

I can...

But, um, because,

uh, yeah, I don't know.

Like, he's, he's clearly very, like, campy.

I feel like he's, like, self-aware of, like,

sort of doing a bit or, like, a character.

You know what I mean?

Like, he's...

Not his... who he actually is? Like, he's... Not who he actually

is.

It's a...

It's a...

It's a character.

He actually attacked us on the day of our launch

of our party.

I'm sure.

Yeah.

Why would he?

Yeah, because his whole shit is like...

Would you want him there? No.

Yeah, I mean, his whole shit is like bankrupt

and it promises nothing and it's not

as much as it tries to be cutting edge,

it's just not. It's really not. It's lagging

behind it. It's the entertainment. Yeah. No, that's just not. It's really not. It's lagging behind. It's just it. It's

entertainment. Yeah. No,

that's actually facts. That's what it is.

It's entertainment. Like, that's, like,

the distinction between, like,

you know, it's just, yeah,

okay, it's entertainment. Yeah, it doesn't really,

not if it's real.

You're just doing a bit.

It's just jokes, you know?

Like, it's not, like, you can be,

comedy is, like, so, can be so political or whatever,

but he's really just, like, doing, like, a,

I feel like a yeah yeah

for a particular demographic

like

like who want

like particular sorts of jokes

but that's like

the same thing with like

old like white nationalist

podcast it's like

do you love Jew jokes

well get ready

because you're right

I realize the only thing you need to do to neutralize

the far right

is when you just

like, when you're just like, all right, look,

racism's hilarious, but it's like, you're

actually serious about this shit.

Like, once you say-

I don't think they are.

No, I know, I know, but when you actually,

when you actually corner them and you're like,

you seriously, like, actually hate black people,

and then watch them waffle to, like, arguments about like why like racism is good but they're not even doing a bit they're like serious they look retarded in front of everyone you know the minute you force them to actually like seriously defend their position without like telling

without like making it funny it really comes off as super weak and ineffective what do you think yeah

i mean yeah that's why they don't do that. That's why it's all just broke.

That's what's so funny also, and it's like, that's what

the Democrats are going to run with.

Like, Jay Evans was a horrible pick for Trump on the strategic

fraud. It's like he's horrible.

He's so fucked.

So dumb. So such a dumb.

He could have picked literally a complete fucking nobody

Republican. It would have been...

Like, he did with Pence.

It would have been, like, more

meaningful. Because no, you know what? Like, it can only

bring him down more.

Do you think it's a

Silicon Valley thing?

Oh,

it's a patronage play.

Yeah,

like,

like,

there's a,

like,

there's a wing of,

uh,

the,

well,

I mean,

Silicon Valley,

it's mostly the guys

who want,

or getting military contracts.

Like, Ivan Musk and Peter Thiel.

It's people who want to, like,

who think that they'll have more of a means

to, like, get this sort of funding

than the type of funding that,

like, Republicans, you know, they want to build up,

like, military hard power and, like, fucking, you know, they want to build up, like, military hard power

and, like, fucking, you know,

do you believe in the TikTok theory

of politics right now where it's like,

whatever candidate is easier to sell

on TikTok will win?

Because I feel like Kamala

is kind of becoming

easier to sell on TikTok

than Trump.

Like,

if you're scrolling through TikTok

and you see like an edit,

like even if it's a moon.

Never underestimate the amount of appeal there is to voting for someone like where your vote is actually also not your vote it's sort of like a joke or a bit because like you know like a lot of people was trying to do she's trying to like make it a joke there There were a lot of people who voted for Trump in

2016 and are sort of like

Yolo, fuck it, we ball kind of thing.

Like fuck Hillary Clinton and it was like a funny

idea to vote for Trump as

a president. It was like a completely ridiculous

thing. And it was like one

thing to like participate in. And yeah it was. And it was like a fun thing to like participate in.

It was. Yeah, it was.

And now I think this election is just going to be

another like repeated like

Donald Trump and it was just being dominated

by all the people

who hate Donald Trump and they'll

probably be having more of a fun

time so it seems to keep

everyone else and

yeah I think that's almost

true united it around hating Hillary

Clinton really not really around

supporting Trump it was more like

we all hated Hillary Clinton.

And, uh...

I don't see the...

See, look, Kamala is so...

You can't hate her like that.

You can't because she's so...

Here's why, though.

Because Kamala never even had a successful career in politics.

I know, she's just a complete nobody.

She's a nobody.

You can't hate her because, like, she never, she's just like a silly woman talking about covenuts.

She's not a powerful

she's not seen as someone who's like powerful

and successful. There's a great

McLuhan quote. If you

looked up just the phrase superlative

amount of entity, you might

find the quote. But it's something about

how like that's like the job of the president or, like, the sort of pseudo-seremonial leader of these democratic states is to be a superlative nobody.

And this was a, he was describing politicians back in his time, but it still applies in different respects, I think.

Like, who is a superlid of nobody now?

It's sort of someone like Kamala, like she's a superlid of nobody.

Like there's, it's not like Hillary Clinton had more of like a personality, like,

where people could really hate her, you know, for her like particular affectations and things.

But commas are just sort of like, like, like people describe her as like a wine drinking aunt or

something. It's like, said okay that's not that bad

like you know that's kind of a fun she doesn't have the hateability she doesn't have a strong

likeability but it's a very you're right it's a superpo superfluous non-intuperative mon entity yeah yeah whatever that is um yeah i mean um but yeah you know i don't know did you when Biden won in 2020, I felt like it opened up the gates of hell, and it was so demonic and dark.

Well, that was like, that's the other thing.

Like, you had dark Brandon.

Like, they were trying to do the types of meming that they're doing now where it was this sort

of like post ironic is it

sincere or as everyone in on the

joke sort of like

appreciation of common like you'll probably be

seeing like comrade Kamala as they lean

into like being like her dad

was a Marxist professor

at Stanford and then that is you know

what I mean like and they'll be leading into that

yeah the so-called leftist

yeah the leftists whatever you want to call them

they're going to definitely make those memes

as they might even make

a response to Maga Communism called Kamala Communism

or Kamalaism or something.

Like, you know, like honestly,

sincerely, that might become

a mean thing that someone runs. That's going to be all the

rage among campus Democrats.

Yeah, it would be like a pole pot with a coconut tree.

No, they'll never go.

See, we have hermetically sealed ourselves in the meme verse by appropriating Paul Pot

because no one else will ever touch Paul Pot.

It's like a protection barrier spell

we casted.

No one else will ever go near it.

There's no way to appropriate it.

It's been a funny time because I was

like, like, I felt

the same way, so I was comparing like,

you know, we can go full circle here,

Drake Kendrick, Kamala Trump.

In the same way that I felt after

like the Trump assassination attempt where I was like,

holy shit, like this will probably be a big deal. And where I was like holy shit like this will probably

be a big deal and then it was like

oh I guess no one's paying attention

there's sort of like a

everyone like sort of

it was exactly like Las Vegas actually

where it was this huge fucking crazy thing

that happened.

And then everyone just sort of like

decided that it didn't matter, like, we're not

going to pay attention to it.

Because it was like opening up

too much of a can of worms or something.

I felt like that was exactly

how the rap

beef went where it's sort of like family matters

was like this

he almost got headshot

right and he's dodging it

and it's like a track

of him like fighting

past that and now pretty much it's going to be sort of him like fighting past that

and now pretty much it's going to be sort of

more like the Trump response will be like to

the song that he put out afterwards where

even if he's like correct and like

dismantling some things about Kamala or whatever

maybe Trump goes out there and talks

about her prison policies and things like that.

He makes himself the prison reform candidate or something to completely lose all of the white nationalists.

Yeah, they're so upset about...

It could be something like that, but no one will care anyway.

People will...

Like, whatever he does, like...

It's the same sort of thing where, like...

The sides have been drawn.

There's more of social capital that he gained in one direction.

My appraisal is, um, it's like, I don't, I don't think the masses, the working class,

whatever, like are all hyped up on any of this stuff.

I think they're very demoralized and like very miserable and

you know. Yeah, they're probably not going to vote at all.

They're just very dumb. But there is a kind

Most people don't vote at all. Yeah. When we're

talking about voters, we're talking about a certain

type of like pervert. Exactly.

But I feel like there is a, there's

a lot of people that are whipped up in a frenzy, the Hitlerism stuff, the Nazi stuff, the edgy stuff, you know, yeah, NAFO, World War III, let's bomb Russia, whatever. Like, I feel like that's like a like a black vortex of demonic temptation and edginess and whatever

and i feel like kamala's gonna win just because like people find that so potent and so like attractive you know they find it so like

appealing for some reason like they want to enter into that spiral of like nihilism and madness so

much and that's why i think there's a strong possibility madness so much. And

that's why I think there's a

strong possibility she wins.

She's the Joker.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Like, she's energizing

this like really

disturbing kind of like nihilism

I mean nobody fuck that's the scary thing

like nobody

I compared her to like imagine you went to high

school and there was a cult of personality

not around the principal but around the assistant

principal the principal doesn't deal with assistant principal. The principal doesn't

deal with students. That's such facts. What the fuck. The assistant principal is a disciplinarian,

and she's brutal to the kids who are like in remedial classes and stuff, but all the honors kids,

they're sort of like this cultish, like

love. That is so true.

For this assistant principal.

Even though she's kind of lame, like

really, there's like all this like ironic

like overblowing about cool

spheres. It's like a meme.

So like, and then like some of the

like the kids who are like, you know,

not in that track or whatever,

they get on it too in a sort of trollish way where they're like,

I don't actually like the assistant

principal, but I'm going to like, you know,

pretend that I do because of what that

enables me to get away with, you know? Where it's like, if you're like, if you're like known

as part, you know, she's, she's a disciplinarian, but if you're, if she's, if you're known to her

as like a sycophant, then, you know, your life is a little

bit easier. That seems to me to be like the vibe. Trump's like I compared to like an alcohol,

like a sort of like a, uh, uh, a weird gym teacher, you know, that's, I think the weird thing is, you know what I mean?

That's so true.

He's in trouble for a lot of locker talk stuff, but, you know, the boys on the football

game are like, we ride or die with this guy.

Yeah, that's so...

Oh my God.

You know, this is what I'm talking about.

See, I want to throw money at you just so you can make like a TV show.

That would actually, I'm not even kidding be a great movie

or TV show

like what you just said

because it's such an accurate

like Joe Biden

the principal who's just like fucking

literally like might be dad

like he might even

exist. Yeah that's so I've never yeah that is so

true like maybe we need to come to terms of maybe Kamlo's been the president the whole time no I don't

know that's just a meme but it's pretty funny. Yeah. Because I always say the

Obamas are pulling the strings.

You know what I mean? That's something I find

really funny. It's like, why is Obama

the mastermind?

Yeah, Obama's like an

ascended master. Like,

he's, Obama, it can walk in the astral plane

If you remember like the

Obama years

There was definitely a lot of crazy

Tea Party whatever

Even Alex Jones

But it was kind of

Half-based because it was like, Obama was

the, the Antichrist or whatever, because like he was the one that was Syria, Libya, you know,

he was like the NSA shit.

Oh, he brought in all the Wall Street guys like day one.

Yeah, yeah.

Michael Hudson goes off on Obama in the most satisfying way, more so than anyone else.

Yeah, but the origin of like him, but there is this

kind of thing

that were like

some of the

George Bush

voters,

after Obama won,

they were like,

oh my God,

this is the dark

Messiah.

Like,

this is when America

ends.

And it's weird

because like,

obviously George W. Bush was, like, one of the

fucking worst ever.

You have to think of, like, the boomers.

Like, the boomer world that they inhabited,

and how much that has completely just been erased

and, like, destroyed.

I don't know.

Like, I was pretty close.

I was close.

I'm close with my grandparents or, like, you know, my grandpa died last year, but I was close with them.

And they were, uh, they were like, they're very conservative, you like extremely so uh like which is uh true of like half

of my family whereas the other half were like extremely liberal or whatever um but they're they were like

working class people like they were you know didn't't really, uh, get up to much.

Like, I think the big, most schooling any of them

did is that my grandmother went to like,

a vet, like, a veterinarian,

like management school or whatever, because she managed

to fucking, like, uh,

animal hospital, um,

that she, like like worked up from the

bottom from or whatever

but um

they were uh

their whole thing was that it was like

they were just intuiting that like the

entire world that they had taken for granted

was like being destroyed very rapidly

by technology and by just like the complete

change.

Like I don't know.

There's that it's really difficult to describe like pre-2008 life now because it is a completely different world.

Like that's not because of Obama.

That's because of the iPhone.

Yeah, yeah, facts.

And then also 2008 happened.

And that did, the bank bailouts were fucking huge.

Like, a lot of people don't realize how kind of unprecedented.

Well, COVID was even worse.

Oh, yeah, more recently with COVID.

Oh, yeah.

COVID was like...

No one even acknowledges that.

It's like crazy.

At least back then...

I don't even watch movies before COVID anymore

because I'm like, this...

I can't fucking relate to this.

Like, I see a movie that's from 2019, and I'm like this, I can't fucking relate to this. Like, I see a movie that's from 2019 and I'm like, oh.

No, you gotta get ascended like me.

I only watch Ghibli movies with my daughter now.

That's the only thing I did.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

Oh, man. How old is your daughter now?

She's like almost one and a half.

Oh, wow.

Time flies.

I really remember when you announced you're, you were having a daughter and then she was born yeah wow one and a half

yeah she's pretty advanced you almost she knows the whole alphabet already it's pretty wild

yeah she's definitely going to be very smart.

It's got to be.

She's, like, really

genetically talented.

Like, she likes to, like, dribble a soccer ball

all the time. I think she'll be pretty athletic.

I think it's so cool

you're apparent.

It's pretty tight, dude.

It's literally the best thing in the world.

Do you, do you, like, curate

the stuff

she, like, watches and stuff?

Pretty much. I mean,

you really have, like,

yeah.

Like, complete control over it when you're, like, you know,

when it's such a stage, yeah, exactly.

But, uh, yeah, I mean,

I also just, like, let her, like, decide.

Like, they let you know their opinions on things very early.

Like, it's really amazing.

So, but, like, she's really into classical music, probably more than me, even.

She always wants to watch the orchestra.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's funny because, like, I'll play some, like, more modern music, and she'll be, like, shake her head.

She's, like, a little sophisticate.

She's, like, this rock music is degenerate.

Like, I want to listen to my whole.

That's actually hilarious.

No, I mean, I'm so glad to hear

it sounds like a great experience.

It's great, dude.

I mean, it's a, you know, I kind of like don't care as much about the

politic, like, I don't know, I do care. I don't care about it about the politic like it, I don't know.

I do care about it in the same way.

Yeah. Like, I can't.

Yeah. That's like the only

thing. That's like really like, that's really

the most, um, the force that like

makes, uh,

like that makes or breaks

like you know we the proletariat

like they hate to recognize this but the very

origin of the word means like the

people who breed

like literally like the fucking

people who have kids

um who actually reproduce society, you know?

But it's like, no one in that position,

it's the revolutionary class because they make or break the situation.

No one with kids right now is going to fucking war

against the United States government.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah.

I was kind of talking about this because, you know, some people were like curious.

I'm like what we should think about those Trotskyite, whatever.

The, you know the viral stuff? Yeah, yeah, the, you know, the viral stuff?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I saw that.

Yeah, I saw that.

And I was like, when we say that we're revolutionaries, like us MLs or Stalinists or whatever, it doesn't mean the same thing.

It's like, we're not like embarking on an adventure to like go to war with the status go

it's just more of a kind of you're revolutionary because you're honestly and realistically just giving expression to the situation you're in now, you know?

And you do that consistently enough, I mean, and build an entire mass movement on that basis,

it's probably inevitable that things will come to blows, obviously.

Yeah, Michael Hudson always says, like, you can be non-violent, but they won't, which is...

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's like, I feel like that's what it is. It's like, you're not

running around telling people, especially people with kids to like sacrifice

their lives and go

like... That's a big problem with like the right wing stuff too

is like you're telling all these guys who like are young

and like they don't have kids, they don't

have like... Yeah, to throw their lives away.

They're like these older right-wing guys where it's like they have a fairly cozy life

that, um, just whatever they're doing isn't that threatening to or whatever.

Or it is their job to do this.

And, uh, they're like, go you know, do based

epic shit in public

and identify yourself

with all these like extremely anti-social

things.

And, um, and that's

because I'm, we're trad and we care about

like, you know, having kids and stuff.

So that's why we like, don't talk to women.

Because women are all horrors.

You know, I'm like, it's so twisted.

It's so twisted.

Like, they, they give,

they lead these people into, like, horrible situations.

So, I don't know.

Like, that's my biggest problem with those guys, I think.

Like, and that's not even political.

I just think it's like, it's more than an actual level.

They have low morals.

They have bad moral character

on a personal level. Yeah.

Yeah, it's

really annoying when they

like try to like

monopolize the idea of the family

or something. This is like why

the communist conception of the family is not

like fucking polygamy or something in the way

that uh... I mean, it's not polygamy

at all, if you read angles.

Really it's like the right

in that way these like sort of degenerate to hide

behind the pretense to like moral

uh like you know absolute goodness or whatever they literally are the biggest perverts and everyone

knows that yeah no they yeah and it's like transparent and it's sort of like part of the whole thing

the whole like the whole appeal.

Like people get drawn into predatory people too.

It's like this is what it always was. Instinct to like be,

to succumb to predation.

It was like, it was like what Engels was talking about is like,

let's,

um,

you know,

let's oppose the,

the economic institution

of marriage that's rooted in private property,

so that we could finally just have

true natural monogamy,

like true...

Yeah, like genuine marriages

or...

...reachings based on love

between men and women.

So it's like, let's unburden ourselves

from this superficial,

fake institution so that we could actually be

naturally monogamous between man and women.

Right? That was angle. Or you look at this.

But the right wing view.

What's most marital strife based in is money.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like, it's like, it's like, but the right wing view is literally the opposite.

It's like, no, their form of liberation is like, okay, let's just go through the motions of superficial, traditional marriage so that in private we could just be a bunch of people

perverse exactly that's literally like and therefore more enjoyable yeah that's and people don't realize

like if for communists it's the opposite

like for us the freedom part is

actually just the natural

monogamous real marriage

right and the thing

that we oppose is exactly

the hypocrisy which enables

all of the

perversion and degeneracy of... There's also

the right-wing people where they... Like, you know,

it's like divorced dad or whatever, talking

about how the court systems fuck dads,

etc. Which is often very

true. But it's like they're also arguing

for a certain type of legal

abolition of the family, but from the

quote unquote like conservative end

of things, like they would line up with

the same people. So it's really funny

like that there's this notion that

they have a monopoly

well it's like you have the anti-family people

or whatever on the left

who are like all parents are fascists

or whatever

that's funny

anyway

I hate to cut it short

we probably got to wrap

you're done

you're uh you're in uh west coast time right

yeah yeah yeah yeah i imagine

you don't stay up too late do you

no not that late, but yeah,

not these days, pal.

Yeah, I imagine.

It's actually been good for me.

It's like I've been more outside

all the, like, every day doing stuff.

I walk, like, a ton every day.

I'm a really good thing. It's kind of funny.

I know you're super busy and

probably shouldn't get our hopes

up too much, but we

are planning on doing like an

inaugural event in Chicago.

And it's just like everyone's going to be in Chicago

pretty much in one place.

Would it be possible September for you?

I have no idea.

Maybe.

You should send me the dates or whatever and I'll see if it's possible.

We haven't finalized them exactly, but as soon as we do, I'll

just send them to you right away and see.

Yeah, I might be able to. I don't know.

We'll see. It's just be nice

to catch up. Do you smoke?

Yeah, I usually smoke cigars

now. I'm not a... Dude, I don't

like cigars, but I'm like a vapor.

What about...

I'll smoke.

I'll smoke whatever.

I'll do it.

Like, I don't care, but I just don't do it.

I just don't do it like...

I don't know, because I'm a real nicotine hat.

I'm not like you're, like, doing your trivial adventurism into the world of nicotine from. I'm not like you're doing your trivial adventurism.

I'm a lique.

Like, I'm a lifer.

10 years ago, I was at a Renaissance festival.

And I, some guy who is like, who was a merchant, one of those themed merchants.

And they like convinced me to try tobacco pipe.

I don't know what you call it.

But it was so, yeah, he put on like a show for us, like me and my friends.

And he's like, so this is how you pack it.

And he was like doing the whole act.

Yeah, yeah.

And ever since then, I like, I haven't, I haven't tried pipe tobacco in a long time, but I've been a fan ever since.

I used to go to a tobacco shop that you could buy, like, I used to roll my own

figs back in the day.

Um, so you, but you could mix in like 5 to 10% pipe tobacco in it.

And the pipe tobacco always has like a better flavor.

So I used to be smoking like these like pistachio cigarettes.

They're so amazing.

Yeah, that's super cool.

But anyway, like,

a lot of the times in person,

I'll never talk and I'll be quiet.

But as soon as I have nicotine,

I'll, like, literally never shut the fuck up.

I mean, that's what it's for.

It's like,

it's like a mental

stimulant.

It actually,

it,

yeah,

I mean,

that's why I'm a lifer.

Like,

I'm,

I,

I,

I, I, uh,

yeah,

it,

uh,

it,

uh,

helps me think, I guess.

Yeah.

That's why people do it.

I mean, like, I don't think everyone gets addicted to it or whatever.

Oh, I remember what I was going to say.

I was going to blame your people for my naked teen addiction because it all started with hookah as a fucking teenager.

Well, that was like the coolest thing in the world I don't know if that was like a universal thing

in like the rate 2000 to early 2010s

oh it was high school every

like all the time yep

all the time every weekend we'd go to a hookah bar we'd get 20 mcchikins for

20 dollars back when that was possible yeah and just chill out we had a we brought a hookah

we got a hookah set up in a car once

so it was the

dude hookahing while driving

no

I never I've never

done that it was like a big thing it's very funny

I think about that sometimes it's not

it's not that big anymore because of vaping.

Bathing came in and just totally white.

It was like the pre-vaping.

I remember when Vapes first came out.

Do you remember the bullet vapes?

The dangerous ones?

Yeah, the early vapes were fucking trash.

The ones that exploded.

Those were actually kind of fun.

They would be like super

expensive like designer ones and then like

the Chinese knockoffs which I would get.

Oh I remember

the fucking custom rigs people had

You know these fucking monstrous things.

I remember like you'd put a battery They were called bullet vapes, you put a battery in it,

you'd put cotton on the top, and then you'd put vape juice on it.

Oh, yeah.

And then it would blow, like, crazy giant clouds.

You'd be in

this was so funny because like these were

this is when it would first drop

and like we'd be in public places

right and you'd have like a friend

it looks like you're a magician disappearing

yeah you'd have like a friend

like blowing like a giant

cloud.

It didn't even look

natural.

And everyone was like,

look like,

yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good time.

Good old days.

Oh, wait,

what,

what,

what year were you born?

Is it like 90? 94. 94, okay, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, like, 90.

94, okay, because I'm 96, so you and I are zelenials.

That's why.

Yeah, yeah.

We have that.

We, that's why we get along, I think, because, like, we're not really, I mostly get along with younger people is what I found. Like people who are like in my own generation who are slightly

older like are like very much

out of touch with the world that

I inhabit.

There's a, it's like if you're

in between millennial and

Zoomer, it's actually like a unique thing I think because it's like if you're in between millennial and uh zoomer it's actually like a unique thing i think

because it's like zoomers went too fast and then millennials are way too slow and like super

cringe and then zelenials are like the golden

mean where we're like...

Yeah, yeah.

The only voice of reason.

Well, it's like we like

inhabited the exact moment of

the change. Like I think it's

like something to do with like the placement of

birth where, like,

your own maturity was happening with the maturity of the internet itself.

Exactly.

So they kind of come to be, like, the same thing.

Yeah.

Because, like, it's sort of like you, because you have, like, a mental sort of map of, like, what memes or whatever, like, it's sort of like you, because you have like a mental sort of map of like what memes or whatever, like what was the internet at these various age points.

And it's sort of like that was the first big wave of a bunch of kids on the internet, right?

Like we were, I mean, I was like a little forum warrior when I was like 12. wave of a bunch of kids on the internet, right?

Like we were, I mean, I was like a little forum warrior when I was like 12.

So I've been on

the internet for a very long time.

And I've watched it

development like at the same time as I grew up.

And like, I don't know, I reflect on that up and like I don't know I reflect on

that a lot I don't think that's true if

for instance you were born in like 2008

or something yeah you just don't know

16 right now yeah like

absolutely you don't

you don't know how it was like on YouTube

when they had the

iPhone 12

when you could watch full movies on YouTube in 2006

or whatever yeah yeah and then when they would be like

Halo 3 montages with let the bodies hit the floor

oh yeah that was like the last

Iran in 2016 was for that era

of the internet.

Because that was what was like the Trump

propaganda was like Call Duty to

like QuickScope montage

Trump like game fuel

like Monster Energy.

Yeah, yeah, I remember that's the

Illuminati Doritos.

Yeah, yeah, Dorito, Elimani, yeah.

Yeah, and then the disturbing Shrek stuff.

Shrek came back in a really bad way

as a rapist.

Oh, that was from Newgrounds.

You can bring Newgrounds for that.

Yeah.

100%. But I mean, Newgrounds, they got

smiling friends on TV. Like, I don't know.

It's funny to see like a flash cartoon now

on HBO or something. I'm like 30. I's funny to see like a flash cartoon now on HBO

or something. I'm like 30. I'm like

holy shit. Do they have those? HBO?

No, have you not seen

a smiling friends? It's actually pretty

funny. They have a really good election episode

which was a

very funny.

Wow.

It's a good show.

Pretty funny show.

It's way better than

any other one of the animated sitcoms.

I mean, it's like South Park level is what I would say.

Because that's like, it seems to be the

the gold standard

of a animated satires

in America.

Yeah.

It's a good show. You should

like it. It's actually

much more intelligent than it seems.

Yeah. I mean, how long is it each episode?

The episodes are literally like 12 minutes.

Oh, yeah, I can take that.

Yeah, you can literally watch two seasons of it in like an hour or an half or something.

Yeah.

There's only two seasons, too.

But it's worth your time. It's like on Max. It's what's only two seasons, too. But it's worth your time.

There's like, on Max.

It's what it's called now, Max, right?

Yeah, it's on Max.

Yeah.

What a, what a, what a colossal L to drop HBO.

No, that's the only thing anyone cared about.

Yeah.

Anyway, Logan, it's been good.

We could go on forever.

I would like to meet up just to hang out.

That's what I mean.

That's what I was saying.

People are like, like-minded.

That's what I'm saying, because we're going to be in Chicago.

I'll probably be there for a few days.

It's a real tough self because I fucking hate Chicago, but...

Yeah.

Just like as a kickback.

Yeah.

Well, we haven't even finalized everything yet, but it's just convenience

for like everyone being able to

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Central.

I get it. I'm just, oh man,

Chicago. Anyway,

I'll head out.

Good night. Peace.

See later.

Oh, okay, guys, time flies fast when you're having fun.

We had a fun conversation with Logo.

And I wanted, the final thing I wanted to say, actually, that I didn't get to is, um, let's not spend time attacking the Trotskyites, because it makes us look weak. Um, and plus, like, they're not really doing anything like sacrilegious, if you want to call it that we we just don't agree with what

they're doing and we're not going to do it ourselves and we're just going to do our own thing

like straight up um i want because i saw some people attacking them and I just let them know like, it's not the move.

Makes us look weak.

Makes us look stupid.

Nobody cares.

That year of your nuances about distinctions.

Um, and yeah, beyond. I'm not. Um And yeah beyond

I'm not talking about Trotskyites in general

I'm talking about those ones that went viral

Like do we approve of how they went viral

No but now that they have let's not make ourselves look weak and

like tell these like

based conservative accounts

that are like literally Elon Musk,

Cyop, Zinus.

Oh, no, no, guys, those aren't real communists.

It's like, no, no, no. We're not going to

we're not even

going to fucking entertain it, all right?

Anyway, guys,

uh,

yeah, we're not going to be like those

whatever pan-leftist

records.

Uh,

the leader of Hamas

was martyred in Tehran.

I will not be able to report that news to you today.

Tomorrow, or not tomorrow.

Next time I'm live,

we'll probably have more news about it

for me to cover it.

I think I touched upon a lot of the things talking to Logo I wanted to talk about,

so we'll leave the rest for next time.

Anyway, guys, good stream.

See y'all when I see you.

Bye-bye.