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so the Groyper is basically

you'll see the Groypers basically chose

this guy to debate me

to debate in the stead of Nick Fuentes

so that's going to happen in 30 minutes

we're going to talk to Jackson in one second before the debate to talk about this

Trump shooting. Oh my God. Everyone's soy and I listen. I don't know why the magic isn't working on me

It's working on everyone else

Don't know why it's not working on me and I'm not even saying this in the sense of like everyone's sigh up

I'm saying this in the sense of like I don't give that much of a shit

Like I straight up don't care like much of his shit. Like, I

straight up don't care. Like, this is just like some

other thing that happened today. I'm not even kidding.

Psychologically, like, it's not affecting

me. Like, I don't care. It's not that I hate

Trump. It's just like, I straight up don't care.

It's just that I've been desensitized

to people, like like dying all the

time and being killed and shit.

But it's like I don't, I can't even pretend

to care about this shit because I just don't.

Like,

interesting, you know, he got

shot. I'll make a few

observations. I'll make a few observations.

I'll just talk about it with Jackson, actually.

So let's just call Jackson.

He's also live.

He wants to have a call.

Okay. have a call and jackson is not picking up what an incredible turn of events what an incredible turn of events. What an incredible turn of events.

He literally just messaged

me. All right. You know what?

I'll wait for him.

Anyway, I'll talk. I'll talk.

It's just, I don't want to say that it's fake

and it's staged because I don't know that.

I just want to say it feels that way just for the reason that, you know, I don't see the media going.

Am I out of touch? Do you guys see the media going hard against Trump this time around? I don't see the media calling Trump a racist and a whatever and this and a that this time around. I don't see it. I don't see Trump trump under siege i see all the major donors flocking to him

oh ron swanson what's up i don't see trump is that am I just that out of touch

how how controversial is

Trump now like I

feel like everyone just likes him right

yo

Jackson

what's going on

so give me your thoughts on Jackson, what's going on?

So give me your thoughts on this situation.

Can I say what you texted me?

No, no, I'll put it in my own words, public-facing words.

I don't, I can't confidently say that it's staged, that I know that for a fact. I just find it a little awfully suspicious that this is happening after, you know, the

establishment and the major donors are already jumping on the Trump train.

It seems like everyone is abandoning Biden, including the Democratic Party itself, which, by the way, is not something you really want to do if your only priority is to stop Trump. I could be wrong. Trump could be playing some 70 chess that I don't know about, but it just seems awfully weird that the CIA and the deep state would be doing this,

you know, given how much Trump seems to have come around to the agenda, you know,

or maybe he's just faking it and he's playing 60 chess, I don't know.

But this is a strange time for something like this to happen. And we finally have

to consider, of course,

if this was planned, they knew

what the result would be, that it would galvanize

Trump in his campaign.

I mean, that's a no-brainer. You think these

guys are stupid? I mean, think about it no-brainer. You think these guys are stupid?

I mean, think about it.

Let's say the Democrats are truly behind this.

You really think they didn't think it out that, like, if they fail, it's going to guarantee his victory?

I don't know.

And then here's a final thing.

I'm not a ballistics expert.

I don't know that much about how guns work.

But I don't know if there was a silencer on that thing or if it was a 22.

I even heard someone say it was a pellet gun.

22 seems believable.

Maybe a silencer, although I don't know why anyone would use a silencer.

If the goal, I mean, if you're doing in the middle of a crowd, whoever did this clearly knew they were going to get caught, right?

So that's pretty much, you know,

I don't know, what do you think?

I think it sounded like gunshots to me.

I don't know.

I'm not a ballistic expert either. No, no, definitely gunshots to me. I don't know. I'm not a ballistic six.

No, no, definitely gunshots.

But the caliber didn't sound that loud.

You know, I don't know.

Maybe.

Well, here's what this is what seals the deal for me.

A, people died.

Yeah.

B, if you go at the frame by frame of Trump's head, right before he struck, and there

is a hole in his ear. Right before he struck,

he just slightly turned his head.

He did one of those little trump

like head bob things

where he just slightly moved his head.

And if he hadn't had done that,

the bullet would have entered his head

at a harsher degree.

So, I mean, I don't think there's any sniper that can account for something like that.

And your thing about the donors, I mean, if anything, that makes more sense to me that this would happen.

Because you have all these establishment donors that are now lining up to Trump.

And, you know, we know how politics works, but Donald Trump is, he's always been a loose canon. He always will be. I think there's a lot of people who are donating to Trump right now because, not because they expect to control him. I mean, I think this thing is in the bag. I think that they want to be in the good graces of Donald Trump and show him that they're willing to support him.

I don't know.

Yeah, I mean, that's, that's, but, but that would have to, that would mean that the powerful interests behind this are not the same as the people behind the donors, right?

And I mean, that that's possible maybe.

There's a rift.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, there's.

Yeah, I mean, maybe.

I don't know.

Look, also, I don't know if you're hearing about this.

Someone, I'm going to do something irresponsible, but someone in my chat is reporting that from the Raw Story news website, apparently they're saying that he didn't get grazed by the bullet, he got hit by the glass.

That's why his ears were bleeding do you do you hear

about that or i saw someone in your chat say but i i don't know something there's there's a

hole in his ear something hit him in in his ear yeah like i'm not talking about the blood like

blood can be faked but there's clearly a hole in his ear.

Yeah, look, I don't, I'm not dead set on making a conspiracy out of this. It's not really, you know, I'm not willing to die on that hill. It's just a feeling.

It's just an intuition.

It's just kind of like a little bit.

It's a little fishy.

You know, it seems a little too convenient.

Coincidences do happen.

We could just have a crazy guy do this.

It could just be that it was

actually, you know,

a deep state attempt

that is just so

beyond the public,

so beyond our realm of comprehension that

it's not aligned with the donors.

But... I think that you're,

you're missing it. The donors are split.

I mean, even like the Biden and Obama family are split right now.

Like there's literally a civil war app.

Everyone's talking about Gaza,

everyone's talking about Russia,

but like in Washington, there's literally a civil war with dozens of factions going on right now. Like, I'd imagine it's just a wild west there right now.

I think there's disarray in the Democratic Party over Biden's continued status, but I think there's a consensus that Biden needs to go, like among everyone, literally everyone. I think that's a clear consensus besides Biden himself, of course, and his family.

But regarding the other Democrats, I mean, look, here's something I kind of, I don't know what your thoughts on this are.

I just see them as so weak this time around.

I don't see the same level of aggression towards Trump in 2015 or even 2020 for that matter. I see CNN itself trying to pivot to a so-called more moderate, you know, voice, more moderate kind of perspective, basically caving in. And I don't,

I think they're aware that their older strategy failed. Then again, I could be out of touch because

I don't watch cable news. It's just that from what I've seen,

it really seems like they're trying to kind of come around to Trump a little bit at least,

you know? I definitely don't see the same stuff I saw in 2015 and 2016, where they were like freaking out and saying like, oh my God, Trump, you know, he's like a Nazi. Trump is, you know, he's he's the biggest disaster for America. We really need to stop him at all costs. I don't see that. I see, I see fringe

elements among liberals saying that, again, I could just be in my own echo chamber because literally

every single person that I know in my life and every single person that i know even on the internet

it falls into two categories either they want trump and they're just already behind trump or

they were democrats but they hate biden because of what he did in gaza or just recognize he's incompetent.

But it's like, I don't know anyone who at this point is seriously saying,

hey, guys, let's vote for Biden because Trump is really, really bad.

Like, I don't see that this time around.

As someone

who's watched more CNN than I

can, I'd like to admit

in recent months,

uh, I can tell you

that at least CNN, unless

you consider CNN to be the fringe

voices, they're still

saying all the same stuff.

And they're still full on with the

propaganda about Ukraine.

I think we just kind of... I recognize

that. It's just regarding

Trump, I sense

the tone has been softened a little bit.

I mean, he, okay, okay, so take the story on its surface.

He got shocked today.

CNN came out, not just once online, but also on their live reactions.

I saw that.

That was strange.

Yeah, I saw that.

That was strange.

He said, oh, loud noises.

He fell on the stage.

You know, it's insane.

That was very bizarre.

Yeah, that's definitely bizarre.

And they're talking and they're saying he got shot. They're saying it was an

assassination attempt, but the header says like, oh, he fell. Someone just reminded me something. The thing

that everyone's really still fearmongering is the Project 2025 stuff. I will say that. I am seeing

a lot of that. But Trump has recently come out and completely

distance himself from Project 2025, which, you know, that's actually a double-edged sword. So on the one

hand, you've got everyone freaking out over Project 2025, the DNC and all the people

trying to take Trump down. But then on the

other hand, Trump himself is distancing himself

from it, which, and it seems like

Trump to me is becoming a little more

trying to be a more

amicable, respectable

president this time around. I mean, look, even if you saw him

during the debate with Biden, he was still Trump. I mean, he was still funny, but he was very,

like, professional. He was very, you know, I noticed he really was kind of trying to take the

high road and it worked it seemed like I really think he is either himself gearing up

to be a mainstream president or he's being prepared to be a mainstream president but i think there's something

about trump from 2015 or 2016 that was like a glitch in the matrix and they pretty much patched the

glitch and now the it's kind of a different person now

I mean besides

like Syria

and besides

Afghanistan

he was a mainstream president

also besides his rhetoric like he was a mainstream president also besides his rhetoric like he was i i i don't it's it's the fact

that he just poses like a one percent threat to the deep state now regarding ukraine and

other issues like the ones i just mentioned. The rhetoric, masculinity, you know, patriotism, and Syria.

I definitely see it.

I mean, look, there's a reason I coined the term Maga communism.

It's not because I agree with Trump politically it's because even i can see

trump or maga for that matter it's changed politics in america there's no going back

trump has created this sense of you know this sense of common american you know, this sense of common American, you know, destiny and feeling that we all can sense and we're all in this one big boat. And, you know, I really, I don't see that as really reversible, the wholea orientation and like it's trump is bigger than himself

you know and i see that totally but this time around i just i strongly suspect they're trying to

kind of domesticate him and maybe they've already succeeded you know the? Only thing I'll say that, uh, here's the thing.

One, if they, if they wanted to do this to like solidify his, his presidency, you

wouldn't risk something like that.

I mean, like it literally, whatever it was, grazed his ear and

his head. Look, I'm no expert when it comes to these things. But if this was an inside job,

let's just hypothetically say it was state. Wait, wait, let me, let me just finish. I'm going to

say something that I think might, might lend credence to your point. Okay, let me, let me just finish. Because I'm going to say something that I think

might lend credence to your point.

Okay,

the ear thing he just flipped his head.

It would have hit his head.

Whatever it was would have hit his head.

If he hadn't have flipped his head like that.

But the other thing that's really weird,

regardless of what we make of it

was it was it the Secret Service setting him up

was it just negligence I don't know

was it something more sinister and a ploy

they say that

there may have been multiple shooters or they may have just been one shooter,

but the one alleged shooter on top, the one alleged shooter on top of the roof,

he was there for minutes.

Someone had alerted the Secret Service about him.

They did nothing.

And he was up there for minutes before he took his shot.

Yeah, that's what I mean. And also, like, the reason I don't want to go too much into the

details of the logistics of the whole thing is like, look, if they could pull off JFK and like that the state of technology back then was way

different. I mean, look, if they want to stage this, they can. I don't care about the laws of

physics or logistics or anything they want. They have the technology to do it. they have the technology to do it they have

the expertise to do it i have no doubt about that if they want it to stage it like it's it's more

of a question of you know is the motivation there is it plausible you know who's interest would this be in? Because I definitely don't think, you know, some of the liberals are trying to say now that, you know, oh, the Maga or Trump's campaign staged this. I think that's flat out fucking stupid. You know, the Secret Service is not going to be in on one guy's campaign.

So if this was staged, the whole, you know, deep state was behind it.

Not just the Trump campaign.

If it was staged, I don't have any proof of that. That's the thing. It's just speculation. The other thing I'll say about the glass and the, you said something, someone said something about like a pellet gun. I mean, like, there were, there were like people who died and got shot in the hand so you know we can assume that we're

going to have ballistic reports would show us or forensic reports would show us you know what

actually shot them right yeah i mean uh but look that's not don't, I don't tend to focus on things like that because I just, maybe I'm overestimating them, but I really think they could stage it however they want to and make it look like however they want to. And the means are just beyond our comprehension.

Knowing what I know about, know the methods that the c whatever it is he's the next president now assuming they

don't actually that's exactly correct i mean unless there's a huge i mean look i don't I don't see, I don't see, I mean, I've, I thought that before this, by the way. I thought that before this because, you know, again, everyone's abandoning Biden. Maybe they were hoping that Kamala would rally everyone or someone else would. I don't see that at this point.

I think at this point it became clear that Trump will be president, not just Biden will not be

president. I already knew Biden wasn't going to be president again. I just didn't know if it was going to be

Trump necessarily. But now

it's clear that

unless, you know,

unless they strayed, you're not on YouTube, right?

Unless they rigged the election,

something you can't say on YouTube.

Unless they rig the election, something you can't say on YouTube, unless they rig the election, then Trump will be president. No doubt about that. But I just don't want to get too excited about it and get

too enthusiastic because I want to remain skeptical.

I don't...

I don't have anything...

I mean, I think it was...

No, I think it was my friend Austin, I told this,

but, you know, like, there's the video of Trump

where he's like...

He's talking to John D of Trump where he's like, he's talking to John

daily and he's like, he's like, I told, I told President Putin when I was president, if he

invaded Ukraine, I would have bombed Moscow. Like, he contradicts himself all the time. I'm

saying, I mean, like, that's why I entertained. It could be that Trump

plays 60 chess somehow.

And it's like he basically,

you know,

he's got this grand strategy where he is telling all the,

you know,

people,

everything they want to hear, but like like, privately, he's got these other plans.

And maybe the CIA is using, you know, mind reading techniques to, maybe he's waging like an astral psychological war with the CIA or something.

I don't know.

You got to admit, though, you got to admit, though, just for, like, for America,

that video of him were, like, they're trying to tap the secrets are, like, six.

Yeah, I mean, the optics are clear.

They're trying to tackle him, and he's got the fist in in the air and he's like, I'm not done yet.

I'm not going anywhere.

It's it's it's in the bag.

I mean, I don't see.

That was the hardest shit I've ever seen.

You've got everyone admitting that it's in the back.

Everyone in America's admitting it.

It's not just conservatives.

It's not just Trump supporters.

Every leftist I saw is saying that they know for a fact.

Trump will be president now.

Liberals are saying it.

Everyone is agreeing on it.

I don't see anyone who

remains skeptical of a Trump victory

at this point.

I just...

I want that on a t-shirt.

But you know, my

my theory

is

who can unite this country for World War

3 to carry out the elite

agenda better than Trump

can. That's my main

that's always been my thing.

It's like, there's nobody in America who's going to bring the whole country.

I mean, there's no president who's going to convince Americans to go fight another war except Trump.

If Trump says, we've, We've said this on shows together

for years now, but

we've both said the same thing,

which virtually no

one else seems to be saying, even Russians

are all missing this. Whenever I'm in Russia,

no one's ever talking about this.

They all think like,

oh,

Trump's actually going to negotiate peace in some capacity.

But what if Putin says,

no,

I'm not done yet,

and the U.S.

is not going to tell me when to finish,

and Trump gets pissed off by that and says,

oh, you don't want to ease me? Well, I'm going to, I'm going to bomb you into smithereens in

Star World War III. It's everyone foreign that I've talked to doesn't see it, but I keep trying to tell

him. I'm like, look, trump got elected when the u.s was

already on top and the u.s was the boss it was losing its grip on power trump accelerated that

which is why you know we call him comrade trump but you know that that's the fact of the matter

the u.s was the boss okay the u.s is no longer the boss

nobody sees u.s.'s boss and the country that that sees the u.s. as the boss the least is russia

and trump is not going to be negotiating from a position of strength.

I don't think when it comes to Russia.

I think he's, I don't think Putin is going to play ball with Trump.

Nobody's going to want to listen to him.

You know, I saw what happened after Soleimani.

I saw how he after Soleimani.

I saw how he just dropped that America flag thing on Twitter.

And everyone thought it was hard as fuck.

And they were like, wow, that's so cool.

And it's like, you know, we have another false flag, you know, Gulf of Tonkin incident or whatever another 9-11 something

that they can stage and Trump

imagine imagine if like they stage

China or Russia attacking us

and then Trump goes

Russia and China have attacked us we We all need a rally around.

Like, oh my God, that would whip up so much jingoism and enthusiasm for a war. So this is why I want

to remain skeptical, because it's very dangerous, actually, that he has the power to do that. And if he has the power to do that and if he has the power to do that

it's just a matter of like do you trust him not to well it's well within the realm of possibility

well within the realm of possibility yeah i mean i mean it's basically the playbook that they've used against Putin for two and a half years.

Do terror attacks in Russia try to provoke him into doing something insane.

And Trump is, well, he's not Putin, you know.

He's not as calm and thought out and nuanced and reserved as President Putin.

And they could easily do that.

Yeah, that's why I'm saying, you know, I don't fully support anyone until I have assurances.

I mean, who am I?

Nobody, but...

Those pictures were badass, though.

Those are like iconic...

They were, absolutely.

They absolutely were badass.

And that's why it almost seems fake.

It's just like, how could it be that badass, right?

I just want to live in the moment and like, obviously I don't want to believe that our president was almost assassinated, but like that his reaction, I just want to live in the moment of his reaction.

You know, look, I said this, and I'll say it again.

Okay, it's very superficial.

It's very meaningless politically.

But I'm still going to point it out because it's worth pointing out.

That raised fist he did, you know, you mean, that's our he did you know you mean that's our symbol you know what i mean

that is the that is the workers salute you know that's the communist salute and you know on a

very superficial aesthetic level i like that he does that raised fissing you know, on a very superficial aesthetic level, I like that he does that raised fisting.

You know, I know a lot of these neo-Nazis want him to be doing the Hitler or Siege Heil.

He'll never do that, you know.

It was so badass that he did that.

I like the raised fist. I'm not going to lie. That's not

very like meaningful politically, but aesthetically, I do like that raised fist.

You know, six security guards trying to tackle him down and he's like, hold up fist in the air i like that yeah i mean uh look it's a he's a living

meme he's a symbol uh but i also want to remain vigilant about how that symbol could be misused by the wrong people

I am too but I'm going to live in the moment and enjoy that badass moment in American history

whatever happened that shit was hard yeah yeah nothing wrong with that hard shit definitely nothing wrong

with that well all right you have a debate here in a moment so i'm gonna cancel my stream i'm gonna end

but everyone go watch haws on kick wow thanks man appreciate it I appreciate it. I can't

raid you, but everyone go check it out.

Who are you debating?

Some Australian neo-Nazi

who's pro-Ukraine, if you can

believe it. I mean, I can believe it.

Because they're all neo-Nazis

in Ukraine itself.

But yeah, that's who we're debating.

Rest in Pete, O.J. Simpson.

All right.

All right.

See you later.

I'll catch you later.

All right.

So in a few minutes, I'm going to start the Zoom call and just message this guy to join.

Yo, Alexander the Great, 2036. What's up? yeah so the debate is about and we didn't know this um we didn't know this uh this event would happen but the show must go on

you know the debate was scheduled um but the debate is basically about class versus race which

one is more important? Race or class? This guy is an Australian. Australians love

making their voices heard on the internet, which we share with them, unfortunately.

And he's just sitting in Australia and he says he wants to debate me.

It's always Australians. I never, by the way, I debated this guy twice.

Didn't strike me as the smartest person.

The past two times

basically it was very

conciliatory whatever

but you know I

issued a message I was like

where's the right wingers who will debate me

it's always these fucking Australians

you know

it's like I gotta sit here and talk about

fucking Australia like I give a shit about Australia, which I don't. Like, they just want attention,

you know, like, why should I give a fuck about Australia, you know? Um, I'm an American. I don't care about some stupid island somewhere. Like now,

I literally have to talk about Australian history and like pretend like I give a shit about the 30

million Australians. I don't. I don't, but I have to, for the purposes.

So if you get bored in this debate, you know,

just understand it's because it's a fucking Australian.

And this guy, he's really one of those neo-Nazi Australians who really, like,

are the cannibalistic type

straight up

racial hatred

I hate them!

Crass, what's up?

Shrimp on the body!

Mad Max!

I really have a lot of hatred

in my heart! I hate them!

He's like sitting in Australia, and he is the voice of the jobless.

The jobless needs who have just festered in their filth and degeneracy, and have just learned to just because of their own self-hatred, learn to really, you know, crave human meat.

Human meat. Put it on the bobby. Yes, I hate them. White pride! So we're going to be debating this vicious yucubian amyla what's up this vicious

yucubian okay vicious viciss viscous that's it vicious Yucubian from Australia.

We got a vicious, vicious Yucubian from Australia.

So without any further ado, let's first set up the Zoom so we can invite him.

So we're going to start a new meeting.

And, you know, we're going, we're gonna invite him to our meeting.

Shit!

Hold on.

Share, that's what I'm looking for.

Nope. It's not what I'm looking for. Nope.

That's not what I'm looking for.

Share.

You know,

Oh, invite.

This is all I need.

Copy invite link.

All right. invite link all right what the fuck did he say?

In light of the assassination attempt, I suggest we postpone to another day.

No.

No.

We're not postponing.

I set aside this whole fucking day.

A day, by the way, I usually used to spend time with my family just for this fucking debate.

You called me out.

You wanted to fucking do this.

We are debating.

There's no backing out of this.

Here is the fucking zoom link okay okay he said give him 10 minutes

yeah we're not fucking doing that all right nobody's postponing anything All right, well, the Zoom is not working.

Well, it is working.

It's just not working.

The right way. Okay, now it's working. The right way.

Okay, now it's working.

All right.

He said he needs 10 minutes.

So, yeah.

10 minutes.

10 minutes, really.

Could you believe that?

Could you believe that?

Postponing it.

Fuck no, we're not postponing it.

Are you fucking kidding?

All right, but we have 10 minutes. So for 10 minutes, we're going to continue talking about the relevant news at hand.

So to continue on this business of Trump being shot with a gun, it clearly has everyone very excited, but not me.

And I'm not excited about it.

And I mean excited in the sense of like wow what's going on

guys we live in a high stakes timeline we live in a high stakes historical moment you know i'm surprised

he survived how about that if he didn't, it would be really big news to me.

But to be completely honest, to be completely honest, there's not much to it. It is not much to it

is not much to it

I don't maybe I just don't see it

maybe I just don't see it

maybe I just don't see it

I can't debate. I'm mourning Donald Trump from Australia.

Oh, man. Wow. Wow. Got those tether tears.

Anyway, guys, look. No, in all seriousness. I really think that this

assassination

attempt

is I mean there's multiple

possibilities

you know what I don't like hearing

you know what I'm sick of fucking hearing because it's stupid and retarded

I'm sick of hearing this oh my god the

radical left and the marxists are shut the fuck up there are no marxists in america where are the

marxists show me where these fucking marxists are there are no Marxists. As for the so-called radical left, what are you talking about? The Democratic Party and a few crazy, you know, woke, blue hair, LGBT activists? Who the fuck else are you talking about? And what does have to do with marxism or left-wing politics

for that matter

nothing this country is so fucking sciop

and it is so cucked

that we actually sit here

inventing a boogeyman

of people who just want to give amer Americans a bigger slice of the fucking pie and free our country from these leeches and bloodsuckers and parasites who are destroying it and robbing everyone fucking high and dry.

The only fucking politics

that wants to give justice

to working Americans to actually

make it so you could afford a fucking

family, have some health care

and have a decent living.

We've decided to create a straw man

boogeyman of that type of person, because that's how

cucked America is, and that's how cucked we are as a fucking people. We are sitting here

inventing boogeymen that don't exist. There's nothing wrong with Marxism. There's nothing wrong with

left-wing politics. We don't have that in this country. Maybe if we did, this country would be

less retarded. Maybe we would live in a less retarded country if we had those fucking things.

You know, maybe if we had an organized working class, maybe if we had an actual labor

movement, maybe if we actually had protections for American workers, maybe if we actually nationalized our fucking land and natural resources, instead of allowing all these multinational corporations to fucking take all of it, maybe if we did these things, people would be less on edge.

Maybe we wouldn't be so inclined to the cannibalism and craziness that we are now.

Maybe people wouldn't be, you know, you know what it would do.

It would solve the joblessness problem, because I kid you not. I am fully convinced now, because I didn't understand it at first, that here's what's going on in the West. The jobless needs who have like started communing with demons serpentine demons they're jobless and they have led the march screaming and bitching and shitting and vomiting and crying for the past 15 years about how much they hate black people and hate minorities and hate Jews.

They've been doing this for 15 years and everyone just started fucking ignoring them and no one gave a shit.

But because of their autism, they were very persistent.

Now in this time of economic downturn, inflation is through the roof where rent is going

up by every fucking margin and facet of food and gas and housing and all this stuff job security

is uh uh weekend and so on and so on now Now among the actual masses, they're looking for a way to channel

their grievances. They have no outlet and they have New Avenue. But who is screaming and

shitting their pants and pissing their pants and vomiting and fucking crying and screaming

this entire time? The jobless, neat, lump, and degenerate.

So now it's becoming mainstream,

not because the working classes actually love this racial hatred stuff.

As a matter of fact, they actually detested and think it's fucking gay.

But their reason they're starting to give into it is because they're like, fuck it.

The level of discontent and dissatisfaction and grievance with the current status quo has reached such a high level that there is nobody except these fucking neat losers who are allowing it to be channeled in any kind of way.

And meanwhile, where is the left wing? It's nowhere to be found. The so-called leftists don't even care about the working class anymore. They're focusing on gibber nonsense

that has nothing to do with the real world,

and they're all elitist.

They don't sense the dissatisfaction going on in the ground

because they have it pretty good right now.

If your only fucking concern is, you know, putting, you know, black people in Star Wars and

transgenders in your workplace, you have it pretty good. You have a lot of spare time on your hands.

You don't have to focus on things that actually matter. So this is the situation.

You have an angry working class and a bunch of degenerate, jobless needs, who are

men children, this is Nick Fuentes community, by the way, who want to have chicken nuggies and chalky milk.

I kid you not, that's part of their lingo and their vernacular and how they

talk, and get cozy and comfy with each other. And these are, this is the neat, jobless,

degenerate lumpen army that is like the Pied Piper leading this country down into the pit of hell, and I don't even blame them.

I consider that the outgrowth of that phenomenon to be no different than the outgrowth of a parasite or the outgrowth of a disease.

If we had a robust communist state, if we even had a

robust working class party or movement, we could crush that easily. We could force these people to

get jobs and stop all that nonsense, right?

We don't have that.

So now we have to fight this retardation that Joel Davis is talking about because the left

wing has fumbled the back.

So now we have to debate with neo-Nazis and explain to people, No, you know,

slaughtering your neighbor

and putting them on the Barbie

and actually eating them like a fucking cannibal

and indulging in all of these

childish and juvenile feelings of

racial hatred is actually a dead end.

You know, no, sorry.

Thinking Indians are smelly is not a serious and legitimate basis for articulating a mature and, like, realistic, serious form of politics.

It's just a kind of knee-jerk everyday reaction you have.

There's nothing serious to it.

There's nothing really deep about it.

Like, we have to fucking actually explain this to them

because of, you know, the vacuum

that we now have to fill in the absence of a real left wing.

So here we are

anyway let's bring uh he's not here yet we're still waiting we are still waiting.

Nope, they're not here yet. Okay, well let's continue to give an introduction.

Basically talk about these things.

So yeah, here we are.

Here we are fighting the anti-fascist war.

But this time the fascists are just kind of...

Just having chalky milk and chicken nuggets.

Neats with no jobs.

The revolt of the...

And it's not like the jobless is like in Weimar, Germany, where there's jobless people roaming the streets looking for a job and they're desperate.

It's more like jobless in a sense of you have these chuds.

I shit you not, this is a real

phenomena.

Actual chudjacks

who live off of

unemployment and are literally saying

I'm not going to work because I'm an aristocratic

Brahmin.

They've turned being a fucking neat into like an aristocratic brahman. They've turned being a fucking neat

into like an aristocratic virtue

and they're like, they're literally citing

these ancient Greek philosophers

who talk about our labor is beneath the aristocrat.

And like that's how they see themselves they see themselves as the ruling class

Which they kind of are when you think about it they're scat they're robbing and they're ripping off all of society

And you know they're basically just sitting as needs

collecting welfare checks

and refusing to work

because they consider it unbecoming

the only solution

to neo-Nazis is literally

force them to have jobs that's all we have to do

force them to have a job That's all we have to do.

Force them to have a job,

and the whole thing is solved.

Literally having a job... I noticed that,

because it's like my community,

I feel like some people started out as needs,

and then I inspired them to actually go get a fucking job,

and then they became welders.

And they actually adopted good human values, you know, knowing how to talk to people, knowing respect, knowing discipline, knowing not to be like, you know, this edgy retard who's like, I hate.

I hate. Like all these feelings of hatred that these race identity people are pushing literally comes from this psychopathic cannibalistic antisocial neat status that they have in which they indulge it you know it's actually pretty

crazy um autism and the autism does not help doesn't help at all because it just festeres and you know how

the autists they rock back and forth like that and they have the fidget is just like a swastika

just going and they're just charging up they're charging up festering all these hateful emotions to

build up.

And they literally are on the verge of screaming and rage at any given moment.

And the reason they see Nick Fuentes as the Messiah is because one of these guys put on a suit.

It's literally all a troll when you think about it.

It's like the Joker, I guess.

It's like all a big troll.

One of these guys puts on a suit and speaks for them,

and they see him as the Messiah.

Ah.

All right.

The 929.

It's been 10 minutes.

We're still waiting.

It's been 10 minutes.

It has been 10 minutes. It has been 10 minutes.

We are waiting.

We are waiting.

But this is what we're debating.

Okay. But this is what we're debating. He needs more time to mourn.

Uh, yeah. Yeah Yeah But we're debating

Race versus Class

A very interesting debate guys

Race versus Class

You want to know the great thing about race

You can have it even if you have no job.

It doesn't even need a job.

You are an aristocrat by birth.

Instead of being born with a silver spoon,

you know, it's more like you're born with a chicken nuggy in your mouth some chalky

milk you are a you it's your birthright why riot why pride why pride why why why Why? Pride! Why? Why? Let's get into it.

Why!

Why?

Why? Power! Punk rock!

Why?

See, I speak English, American see i speak english american english but we may have to be speaking a different language because

if you can believe in my first debate with joel davis and keith woods in good faith i thought

these guys were like fashioningening themselves as intellectuals.

So I actually tried to be a little sophisticated. I was like, you know, I'll be, I'll say

big words, but like, they'll understand it. Surely their audience will understand it because

like these are like so-called intellectuals like I didn't know

anything about them I just knew that

and I like very

carefully and systematically dismantled

their worldview and

what came of it is that at the end

it was just like all their audience was like

screaming the N wordword, just fucking

literal retards. Their whole audiences are retards. All right, hello. Can you hear me, mate?

Hey, can you hear it?

Yes, I can, mate. What's going on?

Yeah, how you doing?

All right, so you wanted to debate about something.

The Groypers have chosen you as their top challenger.

You've been chosen by your, well, not your leader, but the community of your leader, Nick Fuentes.

So in his absence, you will be debating whatever it is you wanted to debate about. And we're going to put to the test, Marxism, communism with a capital C versus Nazism.

That's a fair description, right?

Well, I mean, I'm not a Groyper. You know, I'm friends with

Fuentes, but we're not, we don't see I-to-Hen

on some issues. No, no, no, no.

He's your leader.

The only reason you're in this room right now debating me is because his community propped you up.

Are you ungrateful to his community?

You owe them everything.

I don't understand what the point of this is.

Like, do you want to have a serious discussion?

Of course, we're going to have a serious discussion, but I just want to let you know, I wouldn't have seen your tweet.

I didn't give you a notification for it.

If it wasn't for the Groyper's who boosted it.

So you pay tribute to them, correct?

I never said anything against them.

I'm just saying I'm not...

But you clearly were signaling in their direction

when you mentioned their boss,

Nick Fuentes, weren't you?

Why did you mention him?

He's your leader.

Just own up to it. It's okay.

There's nothing wrong with it.

I mean, there is.

Just a bizarre line of,

what point are you even trying to make?

I'm making the clear point that I'm not just debating you right now? I'm making the clear point

that I'm not just debating you right now.

I'm debating the entire scene.

Well, like I said to you,

I'll get into it.

I speak for myself.

You know, I'm my own man.

I have my own views.

Nick has different views. Nick, you know, I'm my own man, I have my own views. Nick has different views.

Nick, you know, Nick cares more about a kind of, the whole Catholic thing.

He cares more, obviously, he's an American.

What's wrong with the Catholic stuff?

You're not a Catholic?

No, but it's not...

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with...

Why are you scared to disagree with Catholicism?

No, I'm not scared. I disagree with Catholicism.

I think you're scared to upset his community. Is that what's going on?

No. I mean, I've openly stated my views. I'm just trying to explain to you the difference between he and I.

So we can understand that better going forward. Are you Christian or no?

Not in a conventional sense so you're not you don't believe in Christianity not according to the church's doctrines so okay I mean what what does that mean

though in practice are you what it, ariosophy?

Is that what you believe in?

No.

No, my views are, I've been studying quite a lot recently, the, you know, the history of the early church

and some of the suppressed movements

the

Gnostics, the

Aryan controversy, which has no relation

to the Aryan race.

It's just the

theologian Arias

was his name

that he denied the Trinity

and so on

but that was quite popular

with the Goths and so on

you know

in the 5th century

4th century and so on

and I've just been

interested in

heretical sects of Christianity, the Knights Templar, and so on, and I've just been researching.

I haven't come to a conclusion, but I just kind of have an open mind towards trying to take in...

So you're not persuaded by this new Catholic movement

by Nick Fuentes?

Look, I'm supportive of what they do

because I see them as a force for good,

but that doesn't mean that I co-sign

on absolutely... Well, look, from my understanding,

and, you know, I guess I cut you off there, but

we'll keep it civil, but for my understanding,

you know, Nick Fuentes,

he's premising

the whole justification of his movement on

Catholicism, on religious belief,

on Christianity. So if there's something you agree with

about what they're doing that's not involved with that, that's unrelated to the Christianity,

then what is it? Is it just the white identity stuff? Because they're going to say that

that's somehow based in

Christianity as well, which it obviously isn't.

Well, no, I think they see them

as distinct issues. I mean,

but yeah, obviously, I agree

with them insofar as they defend

white identitarian interests. I agree with them insofar as they defend white identitarian interests.

I agree with a decent amount of their criticism of Jewish power, but at the same time, I don't

necessarily agree with the emphasis of fixating upon

the Palestinians and

the Israel-Palestine issue. I mean,

right, Israel. I think fuck Israel, but I think

fuck Israel from a pro-white perspective of

like... Yeah, like a pro-NATO, just like

shill for the establishment kind of thing

but you're a little edgy about it

I'm not pro-nato

what would that even mean

you're not pro-Ukraine

I support Ukrainian

sovereignty but at the same time

pro-NATO and you're pro-Ukraine.

There's no need to gibber into the nuances.

That's your position.

Is it not?

I just don't accept the...

I don't accept the dichotomy.

I don't think I have to choose between Eurasianism and Atlantis as globalism.

I don't think I have to pick one side.

So you consider Russia's

special military operation to be

illegitimate, correct?

I mean,

I'm a realist.

I understand like the realist logic as to why they went in. I'm not about moral fagging about it, but the view that I take is that the Russian Federation itself is anti-white.

There has been repression of Russian ethno-nationalist and white nationalist pro-white forces

within the Russian political system.

The Russian Federation sees itself existentially as needing to create

an identity that extends

and includes multiple

non-white racial groups

and so I see that as destructive

ultimately to the Russian

the Russian nation

which I feel allegiance to racially. So therefore, how could I object to a multiracial

society and forced integration, racial integration within Western countries, if I don't also

object to it within Russia, it wouldn't be ideologically consistent.

Yeah, we got to be cosmopolitan here. But listen, do we, do you have a suspicion about why

Russians might reject ethno-nationalism? Well, I understand thatussian federation would be afraid of of breaking up into smaller components

feeling that it could be like picked off by like some kind of american-led international order imperial

design so in other words they don't want to to be like the Czech Republic where there's some small

shitty country that's totally dominated by Anglos.

But then at the end of the day, if the price of maintaining independence from the

American-led international order

is racial mongrelization, then what's the point?

To me, the whole point of having a nation

is that it continues,

it safeguards and continues on

the blood, the community, the culture,

the way of life of your people.

And if you have to sacrifice them on the altar of survival,

it's not really survival.

But...

Yeah, so you basically...

They're in a...

It's a tragic situation.

There is really, like, no...

There's no good side that has any power really in the whole situation.

Well, I think it's actually revealing about your worldview because you're basically saying

this nebulous idea of blood purity is more important than sovereignty when push comes to shove.

You don't care about sovereignty.

You don't care about, you know about safeguarding the integrity of one's

shared history and one's state

and one's independence. You care

about this nebulous, you know,

non-historical

thing. How is it nebulous?

It's just, it's, oh,

you're going to tell me it's not nebulous.

There is no like Russian ethnicity that doesn't have a shared ancestry.

The Russian ethnicity is tied to the Russian Empire, which is multi-ethnic.

The only thing that-

Wait a second, wait a second. Are you denying the existence of ethnic

Russians? Yes on that? No, but they're part of a multi-ethnic empire. Let me just let me walk you through

a couple questions because I want to clarify your position. So you agree ethnic Russians exist. Presumably to be

ethnically Russian means to share the same ancestors. All ethnic Russians share the same ancestors. No, not necessarily. It's to share the same history. It's to share the same culture. Do you think ethnicity has anything to do with ancestry?

Oh, ethnicity is obviously related to ancestry, but you can't just reduce it to that because historically, the process of ethnic integration has involved bringing people who come from different ancestries. I'll give you an example of this because you're so historically illiterate.

Pushkin, the famous Russian poet, he's considered an ethnic Russian poet,

and he's a hallmark and staple of Russian literature and culture.

He was the descendant of an African named Gannibal. Gannibal was literally from Africa,

and he was integrated into the Russian society and became ethnically Russian through his descendants,

and he himself is regarded as that way, and such as the nature of how the

ethnogenesis of Russians has occurred historically.

It wasn't based on safeguarding the

purity of some pure line of

dissent and ancestry. That's a ridiculous

and absurd understanding of how

ethnicities come to be. Ethnicities come to

be when people share a common

history and come together into an association on the basis of a shared fate, on the basis of a

shared political project, shared religion, shared destiny. That's how it happens. The idea that

ethnicities are just formed by people just maintaining the purity of bloodlines is fucking stupid. It's complete. I mean, what's a single example of an ethnicity that can viably sustain itself within the context of a great empire that follows that classification.

I didn't say that culture or religion or history or shared destiny aren't relevant,

but what I said was that a core

constitutive element, or the most core

constituent element of what defines

what a nation is in the classical sense,

I mean, if we go back to the etymology

of what a nation is, the Latin

etymological root is literally

of shared birth. That's what it means to be of one nation.

Like when Herodotus was writing about the Greek nation in the context of there being different city states, you know, there's Athens, Sparta, etc.

He appealed to them being of one nation, of one blood, of one religion, one people, Greeks.

Yeah, but you think that the way these people come to be is because they have the exact same pure bloodlines, and that's not true.

But wait, no, wait a second, because you're,

let me, let me explain my position.

The, my point is, is that the Greeks

didn't need to have one state.

They could have different states that even had wars

against one another and they could still different states that even had wars against one another

and they could still at the same time maintain

an understanding of themselves as Greeks

on account of the fact that they were

one people ancestrally

and also religiously and obviously in those

days prior to the development of

great universalistic religions like Christianity and Islam and so on, you know, religious practices were very much tied to being of a particular ancestry, being of a particular people, generally speaking, around the world. So the point is that the idea of being of a people

is not necessarily tied to being of a particular state. That's just false. For example, I am an Anglo-Saxon. We have multiple states that correspond to that identity and so on. There's many instances like this, or you can talk about the history of the German people and the kind of transformation of what corresponds to the state that they have. You know, the Holy Roman Empire, all members

of the Holy Roman Empire, Germans

know, but a lot of them are and so on.

It changes throughout history. It breaks up. There's Bavaria.

There's Prussia and so on.

So you can't tie

an ethnic identity to a state.

It's just simply a historical.

Yeah, you know, the thing what you're doing is you're conflating two different things. You're

conflating nations with ethnicities, which is completely false. Nations are definitely tied to some

kind of shared political context, whereas it's true. There could be ethnicities that live and dwell within

different political contexts. That's neither here nor there. But regarding the Greeks, even, for example,

without the context of that building up to Alexander's empire, there's no meaningful shared

Greek identity in the first place. The only

thing that united these people was

because of the way they found

themselves surrounded by people

who were not sufficiently similar

to them, like the Persians and so on and so on.

But that's neither here nor there. Instead of gibbering

about the ancient Greeks

where the entire concept of the nation was still totally nebulous and ill-defined, let's actually

look at the roots of the modern nation, which is the nation that's relevant for actual sovereignty

today, such as the French nation. Do you know how the French nation came to be? Do you know how much

had to be done to forcefully integrate and assimilate all these different scattered backwater

nonsense ethnicities like the Bretons and all these other kinds of people in order to amalgamate them

into one unified French nation.

You think this was a process of everyone sharing the same blood lineage and descent because it wasn't.

They were forcefully integrated, forcefully standardized into one common language.

A similar thing actually happened with multiple nation states.

The Greek nation state itself today happened under a similar process. So did the Turkish state.

So this idea that nations are somehow based on, primarily based, and everyone sharing the literal same family lineage is wrong. That's not how nations come to be. But again, it's neither here nor there because you clearly think that sovereignty is not worth the price of the pollution of the purity of the bloodlines. But why should a normal

person give a fuck about that? Why should a normal person care about this nebulous notion of

purity and the purity of blood who actually has a job and cares about day-to-day concerns, cares about actually supporting a family and getting on with life.

How can you, because you're saying this is about should the white working class or should white people from the working class adopt Marxism?

Why should white working class people adopt this nonsense, nebulous idea of racial

purity instead? Because I'll tell you what, the white working class in the country I live in

doesn't give a fuck about racial purity. They're all mixed some degree or another. They'll proudly claim how mixed they are. They'll talk

about how they're, you know, they've got black here, Native American there. They intermarry

with Latinos, no problem whatsoever. That's American working class culture among predominantly white people.

They don't care about racial purity, so why should they?

Yeah, well, I want to discuss Marxism with you because the last time we debated, we discussed

nationalism a lot. But, you know, I'll answer your question. But then let's also have a discussion about Marxism itself, rather than just simply talking about nationalism the entire time. But when it comes to why should white people care about race, I mean, it's quite simple.

No, no, you're racial

purity. Okay, racial purity.

Yeah, it's

quite simple. Like the race is the

type of human that you are.

The qualities that make up

who you are.

When I look at pictures of my grandparents, my great-grandparents, and so on, I can see myself in them when they were younger.

The type of human that you are, the kind of characteristics that you have, these are tied to

inheritance. And in this life, you are participating in a great chain of being. All the ancestors

that are behind you, all the descendants that will come down through the generations beyond you.

You're participating in this grand project of civilization, this grand project of building a nation and so on,

which transcends the menial concerns of the football and the television on the weekend and, you know, what's going on at work and so on.

There's a much larger historical process that you're participating in, that your blood is participating in.

And to me, I find that to be incredibly inspiring.

Now, when it comes to the average person, why should they care about this? Yeah, maybe they might not appreciate the full extent of what

I'm saying. What they can appreciate is the fact that racial conflict is real, that white people are systematically attacked on account of our race by various ideological groups with power.

And so we need to defend ourselves as a group. And if you're a white person, you said, oh, white people are all mixed. Well, that's just false. The majority of white people are just European.

The majority of white people...

Not here.

Yeah, that's just false.

And the majority of white people are having white children, and they're going to want a future for their white children and their white

great grandchildren and great grandchildren that is dignified, that is honorable, that is

where they are gaining in prosperity, where they're gaining an opportunity, not being

basically squashed down into being a smaller and

smaller and hated and persecuted minority in the nation that their ancestors built.

So to me, that's a very easy sell.

And a lot of white people are sympathetic to that message.

A lot of white people want to hear about the idea that, you know, perhaps we were wrong to become trusting.

We were wrong to engage in this multiracial project.

We're not being treated.

We're not being kind of seen as generous.

We're not being seen as

in friendly terms by a lot of these non-white races,

but quite the opposite.

Actually, there's a resentment complex.

Actually, there are many nefarious forces

working against our people

and our interests and our race.

Who is your people, to be race. Who is your people?

To be clear,

who is your people?

Every white person

on earth is your people?

Well,

there's different degrees

of identity.

So I identify

as a European person,

a member of the European

race,

but also at the same time identify as an Anglo-Saxon, identify as an Australian. So there's different... It's like, you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the Zuma-LGBT identities. It's like there's multiple genders and races, and it's so complex and no it's not it's not because

why don't why can't you actually just be

hold on no don't interrupt me

why can't but why can't you actually

just or they're fucking tranny

why can't no no no no I'm talking about

I'm talking about a nebulous gibber

internet constructed identity politics identity politics

identity identity talking about a nebulous jibber internet constructed identity politics. Identity politics is identity politics. It's like, it's like you can say faggot all you want, but you have the same

ideological, you know, structure as the LGBT community. It's all this nebulous identity gibber nonsense,

instead of just actually being a fucking man,

standing on business and defending the sovereignty of your country,

defending the actual authority and power

that is within your capacity as an actual concrete

historically constituted people.

Your country, Australia,

your country, Australia

is a colony of my country.

You're gibbering about some

cosmopolitan, airy, fairy nonsense

identity when your country is literally

fucking owned by foreigners and you don't give

a shit because the foreigners are white.

That's the most cuck thing I could think of.

What are you even saying?

Of course I care about this.

I talk all the time about how

all these large Australian

companies are bought out by

fucking Wall Street Jews and so on.

But they're not mainly Jews. That's why

you don't care, because they're mainly Anglo-American

finance.

Regardless, even if it, I don't want to have the country foreign owned. I want to have Australian-owned industry.

I want to nationalize banks.

Let's begin there because I, it's not often that I have to pretend to give a shit about Australia, but I will for purposes of this debate.

Strategically speaking, how are you going to target the foreign financial monopolies that run and control every facet of Australian politics, institutions and society when you don't think class politics is important, but race politics are. The rich Australians are white. The foreigners that own your country are white. Okay. The rich Australians that are liberals that are the comparador classes we would call them

they're white so racial politics is a dead end the only key to the sovereignty of any nation

is leadership by the working class the people who actually are based in the soil of their country who produce their country who are close to the soil of their country, who produce their country, who are close to the land of their country, and actually materially reproduce its existence. Now, whether you like it or not, I'm sure you don't like it, we can talk about whether it was a good thing or a bad thing for it to have happened. But in today's

Australia, the working class is not exclusively white. Is it mainly white? Probably. But it's not

exclusively white. So by dividing the working class on these nebulous nonsense racial bloodlines

you're trying to talk about.

You're actually handing your own country's sovereignty

on a silver platter to foreigners.

You are capping yourself in the knee

because the only thing that you defeat them

is a united working class.

Makes no sense.

Because the demons of racial cannibalism are being exercised from your body right now because

I'm telling you this speech.

You need to understand you're possessed by satanic demons which wants you to kill your fellow

working class neighbors because they have a different

bloodline than you. I must unite with the Pagit Uber drivers that are being mass imported into my

country so that we can rise up against that. Whether you, listen, whether you like it or not,

whether you like it or not, it doesn't matter if we're talking about Australia or any other Western country. You are not going to reverse the immigration that has happened. It won't happen. You want to know how I can prove it. Your government, Australia, you had the Whitlam government, which was removed by the CIA.

You can't even have a government chosen by the people.

And if it's in the interest of the capitalists for there to be mass migration into Australia, for one reason or another, you have no say in that matter until you have

sovereignty. If you don't have sovereignty, there's nothing you could do about it. And you're not going

to build sovereignty. You're not going to build a great nation on the basis of racial cannibalism and racial conflict. That's how you divide nations,

destroy their integrity, and so division within the ranks of your nation. Whether you like it or not,

all of these smell people who you don't like, you Indians are smelly or whatever for you

doesn't matter it doesn't matter they're now part of your nation they're now part of

your nation and you have to be they are part of your nation's future they are

irreversibly part of your nation's future they know they're're not Australian. They don't pretend like they're Australian.

If they're not, listen, if they, if they, if they just here as economic units, if they're just there, if they're just there temporarily, then they'll leave.

If they're part of Australia's future forever, then they will stick by the struggles of the

Australian people through thick or thin

to regain the sovereignty. They're here

to make money. They hear purely

so why do you if they're just here to

make money and then they're going to go back home

then your problem is solved,

is it not? Well, so long as this economic zone is maintained as a hospitable place for them

to come and be good little goyslaves, then they're going to keep pouring in because India

fucking sucks.

Can I ask you a question?

Let me explain my position a little bit

because you've spoken a lot.

So let me actually explain my position

because you're talking a little about my country,

telling me about how my country works.

So let me explain to you how I feel about these subjects.

First of all, this country was founded by white nationalists who, the first thing this country

ever did when it was founded as an independent parliament was passed two laws.

The first law...

The white Australia policy that was

passed by the Labour Party to protect

labor from getting cheapened. Its wages

cheapen. Stop telling me about my own country.

Stop telling me. Let me explain what my position is.

You're not letting me speak. You know, I

came here, there's no moderator. I'm coming onto your

stream. I'm trying on to your stream.

I'm trying to be gracious.

So just extend to me enough respect to let me speak, right?

It's not.

I'm not asking for much.

I'm not, I'm being reasonable, you know?

Speak.

Listen to what I have to say. Just speak.

Get what you want to say out.

Yeah, so the first thing

that this country ever did in its independent

political instantiation

was to deport

non-white labor that was brought in

in order to serve, as you correctly

point out, you were like this

foreign capitalist interests,

largely,

and then to instantiate

a restrictive immigration policy to prevent

them from being brought in at all.

White nationalism was the founding ideology

of my country. How

am I like a satanic monster for simply

having the same beliefs as the founders of my own country? I mean, it's ridiculous. You don't

have the same beliefs. Go ahead. Finish the second of all. Wait, wait. No, no, second,

second of all, You don't actually know

anything about Australia. You've never been here.

You don't understand culturally what's happening.

You wanted to debate me. No understanding.

Now, the Chinese

and Indian diasporas, which make up the bulk

of the non-white population that is coming

in,

they have very strong ethnic self-consciousness.

They know that they're Chinese.

They know that they're Indians.

They have their own cliquey cultural groups.

They're not here to become Australian.

It's not possible for them to become Australian.

They are too racially different.

They're too culturally different. They are too racially different. They're two culturally different.

They're different in every, in every capacity. They are here because there's

economic opportunities that they can exploit. That's it. That's the only reason that they are here.

And a lot of the other groups that are coming in is the exact same reason. They're not here because they want to participate in Australian culture.

They admire our way of life or all of this bullshit at all.

So they're not here to join with us in Singumbaya and create this national unity around Australia's historical destiny.

No, they're not. And if we were to go to war or

there was some kind of massive calamity to occur here, a lot of them would go back. Why people

would stay? Because this is actually the land our ancestors built and we are actually tied to this

land in a meaningful way. This is our home.

It's different.

Anyway, this is all besides the point, because I came here to debate, not what I think about

Australian white nationalism.

I came here because my view is the last time we debated, I tried to advance a view that I thought maybe could be, I think somewhat naively, a kind of universalistic notion of a kind of global ethnic self-determination as a way to kind of mediate what I see as an inconsistency between how the white race is treated

and our nations are being basically systematically, demographically changed, relative to

all these other countries in the world. And I say, well, could we come to an agreement that,

you know, we could respect your ethnic self-determination if ours could also be respected.

But I've come to the realization that non-whites are simply not going to respect.

You're getting three points in.

You want to get into this point?

No, no, no.

I want to ask you a question.

There's three points I have ready to address. This is the third point. I want to ask you a question. There's three points I have ready to address.

This is the third point.

Okay.

So I'm going to respond to your two previous points.

And then if you want, if you don't want to continue it after that, we can get into this new

question.

All right.

So one, your white nationalism isn't the same thing as the Australian Labor parties.

By the way, that was a party of the Australian working class, because that wasn't about caring about the purity of blood lineage.

That wasn't about hate.

They literally said that.

No, no.

You don't know.

Joel Davis, stop being an Australian tether.

I didn't interrupt you.

Now you're interrupting me.

So you're going to let me respond to this if you want to be civil, like you said.

One, it wasn't because they cared about blood purity.

They didn't give a shit about that.

And I can prove why they didn't in a second, by the way, if you let me follow up with it.

It was because foreign labor was cheaper because it was coming from poorer countries.

It depreciated the hard-won high wages that were won by the Australian working class. So the Labor Party was the one responsible for the white Australia policy because they wanted to protect the late, they wanted to protect the high wages of the australian workers it's a

no-brainer but how i know it wasn't because they cared about any kind of purity of race or

whatever else nonsense is because during the eureka rebellion when the australians actually decided to have some balls

and overthrow their actual colonizers the british it was the chinese that they welcomed with

open arms to join them in this rebellion white australians fought side by side with chinese people in Australia to build a common national project, so much so that the British, after the Eureka Rebellion, accused this rebellion of having been created and plotted by the Chinese state themselves. It was a Chinese conspiracy. And that

began the long trend in history of them trying to divide up the Australian miners and workers on the

basis of race to control them. Now, you mentioned something else about how all these other

foreigners aren't here because they care about Australia. They're just trying to make money and

they're just economic migrants. Then once again, what is your problem? If they're not going to be here

forever, then you don't have a problem in the first place. All I'm trying to say is that if there are non-white people in Australia's working class, which there are, that are committed to building Australian sovereignty, that are committed to kicking out the Anglo-American dominance of finance,

that are there to actually reassert the power and integrity of the working class, which is multiracial.

What is so wrong with that?

Why do you find it necessary for the workers to be divided

and to attack and kill

each other? Because that's what it always leads

to is violence, of course, on

racial grounds. How does that not

serve the interests of the capitalists?

Now, what is this third question you wanted to raise?

I'll just respond to what you just said.

The idea that the Australian laborist movement did not give a shit about race and purely cared about economic concerns is this total utter bullshit.

You're just leaving out lambing flat, for example, where literal

race riots against

Chinese, where there was scalping

Chinese gold... Cheap labor.

Because the Chinese did cheap labor.

You're leaving that out. You're leaving the fact

out that the Eureka stockade.

There was like two Chinese

guys there. There was barely any Chinese people even

there at that time. And no, there

was an intensely racial

component to that. And then the labor movement

itself, literally

what did it do? It ultimately ascended

to power, created the

independence of the Australian state and immediately instituted

the white Australia policy which it defended

with valor. They actually wanted to put it

into the constitution. You're not responding.

It was about workers' wages.

What else was it about? Let me read out

a quote to you from this is from Chris Watson. He was Australia's third prime minister, the first ever Labour Prime Minister.

So this is when Labour ascends ultimately to power. This is this laborist movement. I'll read out a quote directly from Chris Watson.

As far as I am concerned, the objection I have to the mixing of these

coloured people with the white people of Australia, although I admit it is to a

large extent tinged with considerations of an industrial nature, lies in the

main, in the possibility and probability of racial contamination. I think we should gauge this,

matter, not alone by the abstract possibilities of the case, but by those considerations which

appeal to our ordinary human weaknesses and prejudices. The question is whether we should desire

that our sisters or our brothers should be married to any of these races to which we object.

If these people are not such as we can meet upon an equality, and not such as we can feel that it is no disgrace to intermarry with, and not such as we can expect to give us an infusion of blood that will tend to the raising of our standard

of life and to the improvement of the race,

we should be foolish in the extreme.

If we do not exhaust every means

of preventing them from coming to this land,

which we have made our own.

The racial aspect of the question,

in my opinion, is the larger

and more important one. But the industrial aspect also has to be considered. So yes, of course, they were laborists. They were trying to defend the working class. But they were fundamentally racialists. What year was this? And who said this? Chris Watson. He was the third prime minister

of my country, the first ever Labor prime minister.

Yeah. What year was this?

I'm not sure exactly the year of the quote, but it was

in the 1900s.

So you have the quote on the top of your head ready

at hand, but you don't know the year?

I can't remember the year of the word.

I don't care about what some politicians intellectual gibber was going about.

Hey, Joel, Joel, you have to restrain yourself.

The wild Yukubian is you have to restrain yourself.

The wild Yukubian is coming out.

Restrain yourself.

I am putting forward the view that Australian workers only cared about so-called race

and foreigners coming to their land because it was competition

in the labor market.

If someone else, if someone else,

if someone else wanted to,

oh, I can read you something too.

That was a politician.

That wasn't a representative.

That wasn't the representative of, and I'll tell you why, because during the Eureka Rebellion, which you're saying only had two Chinese people, and the lead of year, the Diggers, which were the people behind it, pushed unity across national racial lines.

George Thompson's paper, The Diggers, this is before the 1900s, by the way.

This was among the actual Australian workers, not derivative politicians, you know,

reading into it with this nonsense, metaphysical gibber about race,

the diggers advocates stridently argue that the Chinese were welcome

and for hostility to be directed instead

at the race of capitalists,

which was invading the goldfields.

A spokesman for the Castlemane Diggers

expressed their desire to welcome the Chinese as brethren with Ophillard. fields. A spokesman for the Castle main diggers expressed

their desire to welcome the Chinese as

brethren with open arms. And what

happened after the defeat of the rebellion?

The British started to try

to persecute the rebels on the basis

of calling, saying that they were

subversive foreigners,

including Italians, Jamaicans,

and the prominent former American black slave, John Joseph.

So you see, the Royal Commission, which crushed this rebellion,

started introducing this racial division after this rebellion because they realized when

these Australian miners started uniting regardless of race, it could really pose a fighting

chance against the British. And that's what you're ignoring about Australian history.

No, no, I'm not not ignoring anything this is just a selective

communist reinterpretation of history when the entire vein of this movement that you

are describing was always incredibly racialist a lot of the leaders of the eureka stockade

actually ended up going on to becoming politicians in Victoria, because at the time Australia didn't exist yet, so it was Victoria. And when they got in charge of Victoria, or they got influence in Victoria, they pushed and successfully implemented immigration and

restriction policies on the basis of race.

So why, why, why, why did they, why, why, why in order to set, what was, what was the need

by their constituents?

Why did they receive pressure to implement these policies?

What was the pressure? Are you really mean to tell me?

Because the Australian law working class were a bunch of racist cars and they actually still

are. I know because I'm one of them. I'm fucking, I move a mind.

We can get to that in a second.

We can get to that in a second.

But you really mean to tell me

that the root cause of that racism

lied in some kind of intellectually contrived gibber

about the purity of the race,

rather than the clear-cut observation that these people

are coming here, willing to work for much cheaper than we are, depreciating our fucking wages,

on top of all the other cultural differences, which I'm sure you would emphasize.

You don't think the root cause...

You seriously mean to tell me that when

people actually are in a shared boat and feed themselves in the exact same way, working in the

same workplaces, getting paid the same wages, having the same predicament, having the same

situation, basically, economically as far as how they

sustain themselves, you think there's really a huge cause for racial hatred and division there?

I can see among the blue-collar working class of my own country.

Sure, everyone's racist and vulgar, but when you have all these different races

working in the same fucking factories, dealing with the same bosses, dealing with the same bullshit

of having your benefits cut, not having correct health care or anything, guess what? It creates

a lot of solidarity between people that allows them to look past

these superficial differences you only focuses on the only racial differences you ever

focus on are different patterns of consumption but what about labor what about the

actually thing that produces nations literally feeds people and builds the things that people rely on to actually exist as human beings.

You don't think that's fundamental.

You don't think that's a fundamental factor in racial division because it is.

You know what a fundamental factor

in racial division is? When I talk to my

fellow members of the white

working class, one of the

number one things they complain about are

fucking retard Indians and Chinese

fresh off the boat and how they don't do

their job properly, how they're incompetent, how they

endanger other workers with their incompetence because they don't have the same cultural standards

that we have. They don't have the same confidence that we have. What about the same skill? Do they have the

English properly? Do they have the same skill and experience? What, okay, okay hypothetically what if there was a chinese guy

be honest here and you're you're in front of everyone so we're going to see how honest you are

a chinese guy speaks perfect english works more or less in the same way as white australians you think

they would really have a fucking problem with him if he's on the job site?

He's basically doing the same thing as anyone else.

You really think they're going to sit here?

We're talking about generalities.

Yeah, we are.

We're talking about generalities that are not themselves rooted in race necessarily,

but rooted in class differences. Because someone

who's fresh off the boat comes from a different class context, different national context

of class struggle, and a different class background in the first place. I'm not denying that class

difference exists, and I'm not denying

that is actually the form in which

racial enmity and hostility takes place

oftentimes. What I reject is the

idea is that there's some kind of

inborn, blood-based hatred

people have for each other for no

fucking reason. That's

nonsense. People don't have an

issue with each other when they feed

themselves in the same fucking way, just as

I said. So what you're talking

about are people who are on the same job site

clearly not working in the same way.

Anyway,

I want to kind of turn this back

to the actual thing I wanted

to debate with you, which is, and this actually

gets us there, if this is a good segue,

because what I am saying is, my

argument is that race

is the type of human that you are that the kind of moral ethical

cultural characteristics that people develop even if they are born like even a chinese guy that's

born in australia and is raised in australia they still have many chinese tendencies or Indian, whatever their ancestry is. It still comes

through in their personality because at the end of the day, your ancestry determines so much about

the kind of person that you are, your attitudes, your mentality, how you process the world.

The genes that code for neurophysiology are some of the largest divergences between the races.

But also, I think...

You mean the ones that don't exist?

You mean the genes that don't exist?

There are, to be clear, there are no genes that can account for neurodiversity.

There are no genes that they have found that can account for neurodiversity, let alone genes that

they can distribute across racial lines and all this other nonsense.

You're talking about deceptions and trickery and nonsense in statistical fraud that occurs on a mass scale in these scientific publications.

I mean, we go down that road if you want, but going down that road is pretty stupid.

I don't want to have some debate over.

Yeah, you're right. It's nebulous. I agree. It's nebulous.

Even if we agree, even if we agree that there's a fundamental difference in temperament between people who have different ancestral backgrounds

that were somehow selected

for...

That were...

Shut the fuck up for a second. That were selected

for 200,000 years ago.

It is historically irrelevant.

It has no explanatory value

when it comes to actually explaining why nations develop in the way they do, why histories take the forms that they do. You want to know what does explain the development of nations? You want to know what does explain why history goes in the directions that it does, how different disparate people become

amalgamated into great nations and great empires, it's class struggle. It's different ways

of life coming into contact, struggling thereof, or amalgamating and uniting in a new kind of way but it's always about the fundamental

form of labor and production how do people produce the things that they need to survive and

exist this is what is fundamental to the development of history. The so-called racial categories

that you're talking about, if we entertain that they exist, those were from 200,000 years ago. They don't

explain anything about Australian sovereignty. They don't explain anything in particular about history. You are a

country under occupation literally by the people who rule my country. You're literally an occupied

country. You think the best course of action right now is to start whipping up racial hatred?

You're playing into the hands of the liberals. You want to know something? It's always working class, working class politics

that they suppress. It's always real left-wing politics, not the woke stuff, not the identity politics, united working-class

politics that they're always suppressing. Why? Because every time we come around and build united

working-class forms of politics and discourse, they call us racist. They call us Nazis, they call us hateful people, they call us

what you literally openly avow yourself. And why? Because you play into their hands, because they can

convince the masses of people that Nazis are bad people, that racists are bad people. Why? Because

most people aren't like you

they're decent they don't believe in racial hatred they don't believe that someone is born

being inferior or lesser than they are it contradicts the fundamental christian values

upon which western nations are founded most people don't have that view. Okay. So when you're playing

into the hands of the liberals in the capitalist class, you're creating this false dialectic and

dichotomy that they want. Why is it that they have been able successfully to root out real left-wing politics, even in Australia itself.

Where are the left-wingers in Australia? What do you have? People in fucking universities

talking about how we need to decolonize Australia and all this queer theory, LGBT nonsense.

You really think that isn't a ploy by the capitalist class to destroy working

class movements and politics? You got to be really asleep right now. The working class

politics of Australia until it was subverted by these nefarious forces that I think

both of us could probably agree, you know, the university sociology degree faggots that have

taken over the labor movement and the left. Prior to them hijacking the left and directing it towards, you know, the

current agenda of, you know, progressive, liberal, whatever the fuck you want to

call it, cultural politics, it was run by white

nationalists. The labor movement in Australia was run always by white nationalist, not by a nationalists. The labor movement in Australia

was run always by white nationalists, not by

Marxist. Marxism never had

very much of anything to do with Australian

political history. They never had a big presence here.

We had a racist,

nationalist, left wing.

Okay?

So that's the history of my country.

That's what makes sense to me. Once again.

Your categories don't.

Once again.

White nationalism.

Marxism has never been relevant to my country.

And that's why I agree.

Marxism never took root in Australia,

which is why it got fucked over in the way it did. I agree. Marxism never took root in Australia, which is why it got fucked over in the way it did. I agree. But here's the problem. The reason why I got fucked over, no, no. The reason why I got fucked over was because of the concerted ideological effort across the West. You are correct that my country is under occupation. There's a concerted ideological effort across the West. You are correct that my country is under occupation.

There's a concerned ideological effort

across the West by the American

led international order to reconstruct

the ideological structure

of the West around

an anti-racist ideology.

When you say, oh, your views,

your racialist views are so contrary

to the values of Western civilization,

it's fucking false because prior to the Second World War,

pretty much every country had a racialist norm, cultural norm.

Australia was a white nationalist country.

America was, the United States of America was white nationalists.

Canada was white nationalist.

New Zealand was white nationalist.

There was no, there was clear racial consciousness in the countries of Europe.

Let's skip over a lot of gibber.

We'll get to the point.

No, no, no, no.

I am making actually a point.

You're just gibbering.

It's not, it's not gibbering.

Your point is that white nationalism used to be the norm.

Anything else? White nationalism used to be the norm. Anything else?

White nationalism used to be the norm.

That's your point.

Do you have another point besides that?

Well, you said that white nationalism is contrary to the values of Western civilization,

but the values of Western civilization only but the values of Western civilization

only come into existence

in the 1960s or something.

Apparently Western civilization didn't know what it was

until the 1960s, and then it realized,

oh, Western civilization is all about being

anti-racist. No, that was never

what it was about.

So, now I'm going to respond.

So America is a different context, because we've always had a huge black population here.

But anti-racism starts taking off existentially, you know, becoming widespread, because there before weren't a lot of non-white people in these countries. Australia didn't have a lot of non-white people in the first place.

Or suppressed, like the blacks in America. Joel, why, what was the primary basis for the

white Australia policy? What is the actual basis for the white Australia policy?

What is the actual material reason for it?

Because we are trying to maintain, well, the idea was, it was an outpost of the British race in Asia Pacific.

No, it was to protect the wages of

the Australian workers from being depreciated.

He just fucking told you the entire labor movement was full

of racist. I just read out to you the first

ever labor prime... You are talking about

the ponderings. You are talking

about the derivative. We're talking about the ponderings, you are talking about the derivative, you're talking about the derivative, you are talking about the derivative ponderings of some politician, which couldn't explain. If his pondering, it is how they all felt every single one of them, every single member of the Labor Party at that time was a racialist.

The actual working class base of the Labor Party didn't care that much about it because in the Eureka Rebellion, they joined.

You have no idea about the issue of my country.

You know what the fuck you're talking about. You're projecting your Marx the history of my country. You don't know what the

fuck you're talking about. You're projecting your Marxist

ideology onto something you don't understand. Are you actually

going to cry right now?

Are you going to cry because I'm talking against

racism? You're actually a racist who's

crying because your racist

ideology is being exposed

during the Eureka rebellion

during the Eureka rebellion they didn't give

a fuck about race they didn't give a fuck about

Marxism that's what they didn't give a fuck about. We can get to

Marxism in a second. We got to Marxism

in a second. During the Eureka rebellion

they didn't give a fuck about race, though.

How do you explain that?

They did.

Where?

By what, they welcome the Chinese and the rebellions,

so much so that the British started saying

it was the result of foreign Chinese subversion.

And by the way, it wasn't just the Chinese. It wasn't just the Chinese. And I'm going to ask you a question to see if your integrity's on point. Have the, has the capitalist class in the history of Britain, America, and Australia, stoked racial and ethnic differences,

including between different European groups,

but not exclusively,

as a way to suppress the labor movement.

Has that a tactic they've employed before?

Look, let's debate.

You can't even say yes.

It's literally indisputable history.

They pit the black

and the white workers against each other.

They did the same shit in Australia

between the Irish,

the Italians, the

Anglo-Saxons, the Chinese. They do the

same thing in fucking Europe and Britain between

the Irish and the Anglo-Saxon

Brits. They did the same thing in France

with the Algerians.

The capitalist class

the capitalist class foments racism to keep the working class disunited. It's a fact of history.

The capitalist class, you are so dishonest, you can't admit that. You are so dishonest, you can't admit that. You are so dishonest. You can't admit that? You are so dishonest.

That's why I admire Hitler.

That's why I admire the Australian.

Zold Davis, Hitler is a faggot who killed himself.

Because they both used racism to bring the fucking bourgeoisie under the control of the state.

And then he killed himself and the Red Army conquered his shit.

So let's talk about Hitler's rival.

The Allied allied itself with capitalist America.

Then why didn't the other allies open a second front?

Why didn't they open a second front if they were, if they were so-called real allies? Why didn't they open a second front if they were if they were

if they were so called real allies

why didn't they open a second front

like the Russians wanted? The topic of this debate is

why should I want you to convince me

of something because as I said at the beginning

I'm not trying to convince you of anything

I don't believe that non-whites

can be convinced of anything

through argument that is politically relevant.

I think the white man just needs to regain his balls

come together and organize

and assert ourselves.

And we'll demand respect.

So I don't really care what you

believe but you however believe that me as a member of the working class and white working class

people in general should reject racism they should reject liberalism they should reject all these

other ideologies and embrace Marxism.

So I want to understand

why you think this, because what you think,

what you were saying before... I don't believe you represent

the Australian workers. Listen, listen

to me for a second. What you said,

tell me if I'm wrong when I finish

and explain to me. You said that the

working class in this country, the white workers, they have unity with the Indian Pagit

fucking Uber drivers that are coming in, with all these Chinese that are coming in creating small businesses in their little Chinese ethnic enclaves and so on. And they should be uniting with them against the capitalists. And that just by virtue of the fact that all of these people coming into our country get jobs and work within a system that they, an economic system that

they, you mean feeding? So that's all that is really, uh, consequential. Yeah, I think, I think people,

I think not the blood in their veins, not the kind of person they are. Not the ancestors

that they carry the legacy through them.

Not the family.

Not the white children, grandchildren,

great-grandchildren. What country are they going to live in? Are they

going to become minorities in the

land their ancestors built? None of that

fucking matters. That's all

bullshit. All that matters is, hey,

this Indian guy, he's got a job.

Oh, this fucking Chinese guy, he's got

a job just like me. I guess

we're brothers and sisters. Yeah, I mean,

it sounds really stupid

when, uh, it sounds really stupid when... It sounds really stupid when your understanding of what an actual fucking job is, is something that's like the Gen Z boss in a mini fucking TikTok nonsense.

Actual real working class, Joel, you keep...

You're like squealing out. You don't let me get a word in. Holy shit. You got to tame yourself. Actual working class jobs of the actual working class produce everything about a society. They ensure a society exists. They feed everybody. They put the clothes that they fucking wear.

Everything that's produced, all of the roads, all of the buildings. Everything that keeps a society going and keeps it running is done by the workers. So if some foreigners are coming and they're doing that in the same capacity as workers within the country, you may be against the immigration. By the way, I don't advocate mass immigration, although I don't fucking care about race purity. I still don't advocate for it because I know it's a tool to stoke racial tensions, to stoke ethnic tensions, to divide the workers. I don't want the workers to be divided. I want them to be united. But now that all these cultural differences are here now that you have all those foreigners

there in australia this is the situation that you're in the bare minimum you could do is just

defend a united working class politics don't exclude anyone arbitrarily based on their race.

And look, inevitably speaking, if some of these Indians who are coming just to work in the IT sector and do all these BS jobs to leach off of Australia get caught in the crossfire, liberals might point out you and call you racist,

but you will not,

why would you play into your hands and be like,

yes, we are racist?

Why not defend the integrity and the honor

of the cause of the working class

and not get into these traps?

Because why do you think they focus you're saying white people

are under attack and are persecuted why do you think all of this stuff critiquing white normativity

or whatever is becoming widespread because they're trying to divide the workers they're trying to divide the people so that the only

avenue of resentment and dissatisfaction by white workers is exactly the type of racist politics

you're talking about. It's a trap. It's not going to get Australia at sovereignty.

It's strategically not viable.

Even pragmatically.

Listen, even pragmatically.

Ideologically, you don't have to give a fuck.

You can, in your heart of hearts, still be an actual racist who hates all of these racists.

You can have that in your heart of hearts. But let's live in the real world. Pragmatically, if you divide Australia racially, you are giving

the capitalist class a free base of support in the form of these non-white people who they're going to use as their soldiers to fight against the Australian mainly white working class. And you gave that to them for free. Why would you give your enemies a free army? How is that strategically a viable thing to be doing?

That's why the capitalist brought them in in the first place. Didn't we just talk about Australian history? We had a white working class that was actually exercising a degree of political

power and sovereignty

and then they brought, they smashed

up. Yeah, now you're in this new situation.

And brought in a whole bunch of non-white.

So how are you going to

as you correctly

identify them as allies

now of the current because this is the situation? As allies now of the current

parasitical...

Because this is the situation you're in now.

Because for better or for worse...

I'm just reacting to that.

For better...

Playing into the cat...

When someone throws a punch...

You throw a punch back.

You don't try it.

Yeah, you know, you don't, you don't fucking play

into their hands by reacting how they want you to. That's not what you do. And by the

way, Joel, for better or for, listen,

this is just stupid. For better, fucking retarded. Well, it's the Christian

way. I'm being, for better or for worse. Listen.

But being a white man.

So I'm saying, hey, how about we all get together and fucking punch back?

Joel, do you want to know why you want to know why Jesus says turn?

Hold on.

Let me explain something to you about Christianity.

You can't handle.

You have to have.

Do you want to know.

Do you want to know.

Because you're not a white person.

You live in America. That's fine.

Listen, do you want to know?

Joel, let me teach you about the foundation of the West, which is Christianity.

Do you want to know why Jesus said turn the other cheek?

It's not because he was a hippie.

It's not because he believed that in the face of persecution, you should just let your enemies

roll over you.

He was trying to say, don't fall into the frame and the trap by which your enemy is trying

to cast you.

Don't fight on their terms.

If you're truly going to overthrow this ruling class,

you are on a high ground,

you're proposing something better than them,

you're outmoding them,

you're rendering them superfluous.

You don't need to fight on their terms.

You're fighting on your terms. You are proposing your own

rules of engagement, your own terms with which to fight. That's how you actually win, because think about it.

What are you going to do? You're just going to replace the current LGBT globalist ruling class

with the one that

signals for these nebulous based

red pill causes and it's the same

thing structurally, you have to

take accountability and responsibility

for why you have the ruling class

you do. You have to take responsibility

for this new situation you're in now.

For better or for worse, Australia is less white than it was. Listen, for better or for worse,

Australia is less white than it was in the past, and that is irreversible. Unless you can explain

to me strategic...

How can it be reversed?

You could send them back.

Why is it irreversible?

How will you send them back?

Go ahead.

Now, I'm talking in the real world.

I'm not talking about hypothetically.

In the real world, how are you going to have it so all the

non-white people will be sent back? How will that

happen?

If white people are unified

around our racial consciousness

and our collective interests... Square one, you

fucked up. We attain political power. Step one,

you fucked up. We can send them. Step one, you fucked up.

We can send them back.

But Joel, 50% of white people, let's say, I'm just, this is like in America, but I'm pulling out of my ass.

Let's say it's 30% in Australia.

At least 30%, around 50% of white people in Australia, they belong to a different class and it's in their

class interest to keep the status quo going. They're part of the professional managerials.

They are the people like the Gen Z boss and a mini, that kind of video you saw. That's white people, all right? They're also the people who are liberals. They're also the people who are pro-globalist. Okay, the people who support Ukraine and Taiwan and all this nonsense, like Drew Pavlou. That's white people. So, white people are divided. How do you address that division

among white people on class lines if you want to unite them? Because the division between white

people is not primarily about class. It's white people are divided more. Really really you're saying that the urbanoid

Australians that don't work real jobs with their hands but sit on computer

desks are literally like that is demographically the same type of person as the

actual Australians in the outback like mining and

shit you think these are this you think this is not a fundamental division there you think for that

matter since this applies to the world that flyover states where maga is is the same as white coastal

elites in new york and l.A., who are hipsters and whatever.

You don't think these divisions are fundamental.

You don't think these are fundamental class divisions?

Moreover, even if you don't want to recognize the PMC stuff, You don't think there's a class division

between these Anglo-American

financial capitalists and the Australians

that are oil drilling

and fucking mining and shit and building

and construction. You don't think there's a class

difference there that divides them fundamentally

in terms of what their real

interests are. Really? Really, Joel? The principle of racial loyalty for pretty much all white

people, if applied, would massively benefit their life and massively benefit the society that

living. If society was organized around, how are you going to convince them?

For white Australia in general. How are you going to unite the white race?

Prior to the breakdown of what the original Australian state had set up, in Australia, we had a nationalized banking system where there was no private banks issuing mortgages. We had a state-run bank.

Your central bank was created by the British Empire. What are you talking about?

We had a state-run bank that issued

it wasn't state...

How was... Loans, mortgages to the people?

How was it state-run? It wasn't state-run.

When we had racialists

running the government, where it was actually run

for the interests of the white Australian nation in general.

They built up

industry. We had incredible prosperity.

You're saying some nonsense right now. Australia

has never had a state bank.

Your bank was always private.

You don't know. You don't know the history of my country.

I do know. Your bank was set up by the British Empire, okay, first of all,

which has always controlled. This is the truth. This is the truth. There's no need to romanticize

the heyday of the... You don't know the history of my country. I know enough

about Australia's... Joel, you think I give a shit about Australia? I know

these things about Australia... You're arguing with my country and now you're saying you

don't give a shit about it. Why are you with me about that? Because you want it to...

Because A, because A, you wanted to debate me and the Groyper's appointed you as their representative to debate me.

So this is what we're going to talk about.

I did not.

I would not have seen your tweet had they not boosted it.

And by the way, I gracefully accepted this, even though I debated you twice before, just

to make an example for the people who boosted you.

But anyway, let's neither here nor there.

Australia's bank was set up by the British Empire, who has always controlled, always

controlled Australia's finances for foreign monopoly rent.

There were concessions won by the Labor Party. There were crumbs, so to speak, that they were

able to exact. But in the long term, because they never actually owned Australia's means of

production and mines and fundamental land and all that stuff.

I'm not a liberal, has. This is why I'm not working.

But here's, you're not understanding that you're not understanding why Marxism is necessary.

Because if you don't have a fundamental understanding of the laws of the development of

nations and history rooted in class struggle, if you don't understand the fundamental

conflict that propels why nations go in the directions that they are, why politics is

structured in the way that it is,

you are not going to be able to maintain the sovereignty of your people.

That is why Marxism is the most popular and the most effective in national liberation movements

that are fighting against foreign invaders and colonialists.

You kind of have this, you have this dichotomy

between liberal, democratic,

like bourgeois capitalism,

and then you have Marxism over here,

like these are the only two options.

I am of neither of these options.

I believe in an authoritarian state

right by a caste of warriors and philosophers

that completely subjugate the bourgeoisie

under its control, abolish elections,

abolish...

Wow. You want me to clap?

Joel Davis. No, I want me to clap? Joel Davis.

No, I'm trying to make a point.

It doesn't matter what you believe.

It doesn't, it doesn't.

Listen.

Listen.

Listen.

The bourgeoisie under his control.

I guess there isn't another choice.

We can, I would love, I would love to go down that role.

You have to be run by the current.

No, no, no, it's great.

It's great, you mention that.

It's great you mention that.

First of all,

Hitler was totally controlled

by the capitalist since the 20s.

We can get into that if you want.

No, just false.

No, we can get into it.

I'm happy to get into it, but I want to make this point first. Capitalist allied with your

precious Soviet Union against him.

Then why didn't they open up a second

front, you fucking retard? But anyway, look,

it's neither one or there.

The precious Soviet Union against him.

Listen. Listen. Listen, listen.

I want to talk about,

I want to, listen,

you know what,

you know what?

There's no fucking debate.

I want to talk about

Nazi Germany and World War II.

I actually do want to talk about that.

But right before we do,

I just need to point out,

nobody cares what you believe.

What you believe is immaterial. What matters is the

material basis of what you're saying. What do you actually propose that will make this happen?

Because I could believe in the Big Rock Candy Mountain, it doesn't matter. I have to believe in

something that's actually real in the real world.

What is your fucking strategy for white racial?

Blood loyalty is real.

How is your blood going to unite the white race in Australia amidst these fundamental differences?

How many wars have been fought for nationalism?

How many wars have been fought to liberate a

why are you avoiding the simple question? Why are you avoiding a simple question? Why are you avoiding

or gibbering about all these wars? Listen, you're just talking about fantasy.

Why don't you talk about reality?

What?

In Australia, how are you going to unite the white race?

Give me a plan.

Let's go.

It's as simple as raising the consciousness.

So going on Rumble

and streaming on Rumble is going to unite the white

race in Australia. Is that what you're saying?

Well, we have to build a political movement that can be

So you're saying stoke

the most antisocial, psychopathic feelings of the fringe, neat people who really get whipped up on this racial hatred stuff. How was that ever going to appeal to mainstream society? It's not fundamentally about hatred. It's fundamentally about loyalty. No, but only fringe freaks buy into that.

So how are you going to get that

to mainstream society?

Fringe freaks are people

who actually have racial hatred.

Most people don't.

It's just the truth.

We have prejudices.

We all have racial prejudices.

But racial hatred, like we actually hate other people because they're different.

It's not about hatred. It's about loyalty. You don't have racial hatred. Haven't you admitted you have racial hatred in the past?

I have hatred for that, which is destructive towards what of...

So again, your intellectual...

Look, look, listen, it's just like our first debate.

We can get into the intellectual stuff, but at the end of the day, your audience, the people you've cultivated, look at their usenames.

Ray Pittler,

1488,

it's just hatred.

It's just people

who fucking hate and hate

and hate.

There's no intellectual

stuff to it.

There's nothing about it.

Joel Davis,

there's nothing about it

that's ideological.

It's anti-social cycle

listen it's anti-

listen Joel Davis none of this is intellectual

for as far as your ideology it's

anti-social psychopaths

never justified

no it's not

because these people don't have jobs we need people

to have jobs so they can actually

be real human beings. That's what I

believe. I believe in working class politics.

Someone who has a job

doesn't get whipped up in this racial

hatred stuff. Or you're a pussy that hates no one

has. I actually

you know what

if I do hate people I consider

it a defect on my part

and I try to rise above it because I genuinely

believe hatred is a wrong

state of mind you should not

because if you because

the person that you hate

is the person you're giving everything.

You're fucking giving them everything about you.

You're giving them all your energy.

You're giving them your mental energy.

You're giving them your soul.

You're giving them the entire fiber of your being.

Why?

Because hate and love are very closely related. Ask anyone. Ask any

psychologists. They're like this. There's a thin, thin line that separates them. This is why all of

these people who have racial hatred, they also have these crazy cuckold fantasies

because it's a pathology and it's a mental illness.

And your strategy is just to tap into that.

Your story,

I ask you pretty clearly.

Joel Davis, I'll,

I'll, why is hate never justified?

And you said, oh, because hatred is actually a perverse form of love or something.

My view is that it's actually the quite rational common sense view, is that you hate things which threaten that which you love.

No, no, no.

When you love something, I love my people. No, you don't hate you. I love my family something I love my people no you don't you don't

you don't have to hate anything I hate everything which threatens it's no you just have to

take responsibility it's about taking responsibility not hating but anyway look these are

working class values by by the way.

Look, anyway, look, I'm going to tell you something.

You just kind of really justify it.

This is we can't get to the point.

I'm going to actually make your argument for you.

I'm going to make your argument for you.

Because you can't give me your plan, I'm going to actually

give you the plan for you because you

don't have, clearly haven't thought of it. You're supposed to be

trying to convince me, Haas, why I should become a

Marxist? All of your followers, they don't seem

so I'm going to explain to you the truth.

I'm going to, Joel Davis, I'm going to

explain to you the truth of Marxism going to... Joel Davis I'm going to explain to you the truth

of Marxism.

A revenge of the

non-white hordes against the evil

American imperialists.

Whatever. You've got some

strange fantasies. All right, listen.

I'm asking, why can't you convince white people

to join your movement, has?

Haven't you notice this?

Joel, you're just so stupid.

You know most of my followers are white?

You don't know that?

You don't know that?

It doesn't seem like it to me.

You're right, because you don't understand anything.

That's how blind you are

what do you mean I have to convince white people

Joel you you don't even understand

anything about what infrared is

we're based in America most Americans

are white why wouldn't most infrared

followers be white they are but anyway

look doesn't matter.

Whether they talk? They seem to have a lot of...

But they're white! They're literally only a minority.

Listen.

They have an anti-white animal.

I'll explain it to you. Infrared is a cast.

It's a caste system where

the brown

Sufi elite

keep all

like the white people

are like our slaves

like the goyim

that's what we do

anyway

yeah anti white animus

yeah exactly

anyway

anyway look

look

give me

give me a second

I'm going to make

your argument for you.

All right? Listen.

You just made my argument for me, so I guess

Yeah, clip that, clip that, because I

want to filter out the IQ of anyone who takes

that seriously as anything but a joke.

But look,

Um,

a joke that was a house.

Joel, do you,

okay, so on, just to quote you on record,

do you actually think infrared is a

cast system where Brown Sufis...

No, no, but I think that...

You find something appealing about that fantasy because you are

motivated by... I find it, I find it funny because you fantasy because you are motivated. I find it

funny because you're

setting up the joke for me because it's your

belief. You have this stupid racial view

of the world. You have this retarded

racial view of how the world works and I

find it funny. But listen,

neither do you nor there.

I'll prove Marxism for you.

The

proletarian workers are going to drive

history. No, history is driven by

great men, by geniuses. That's retarded.

By the exceptional. It's not driven

by the average person.

But Hiller was a great man in your view, and your view Hiller was a great man and he lost.

Great inventors, the great philosophers, the great artists, the great innovators.

These are the people that drive history artists.

But it's only within the context of class struggles that those people's greatness can come to be defined.

Within the context of class struggle.

This is something you would have disturbed.

And we can listen, listen, Joel, Joel, all of the great minds of the Renaissance, DaVinci.

That was within the context of a period

of transition in Europe, from the

feudal system to the capitalist system.

Without that context...

DaVinci's great works to the class struggle.

That's the context.

That's the context.

All right, why didn't Da Vinci? why didn't da Vinci why didn't

da Vinci exist

everything is just

the machinations

of economic

relations

all right

you're a fucking

but you don't have

any

you don't

but you have no

but listen

Joel Davis

what

what what explanatory

paradigm do you have in the stead

of the one

I'm

see the world. But listen, Joel Davis, what

what explanatory

paradigm do you have in the stead of

the one I'm proposing? Because yours

doesn't explain anything in particular.

I'll tell you why. Human beings have been around,

let's say a million years. Like, everyone disagrees

about it, but let's just say a million. Because it's like

around the ballpark. A $200,000 to a million, who cares, right? But Da Vinci is like at a very specific point in the history of mankind. Now, why at that point, rather than in 150,000 BC, was there a Da Vinci? See, you can't explain that. You're just saying it's great men.

Well, great men have existed for a very long time.

You don't understand the fundamental historical context out of which arises that greatness.

That's the problem.

The only theory of history which exists is class struggle.

So what is the alternative one that you have?

Go ahead.

No, I don't actually need to a certain alternative.

You don't need a theory of history to take power?

I don't have to prove, I don't have to prove.

Joel, but here's the thing, Davis, Joel Davis, if you want

to seize the history of your nation

and take power and all this stuff,

you need to have a theory

of how history works.

If you don't have that,

how are you going to do it?

I can engage in speculations on history,

but the thing is you are trying to make

speculation so you don't actually believe in a...

Put something there so that you can criticize it

because you know that

you don't actually have much substance behind

your position. The idea that

all of Da Vinci's great works is reduced

to the class struggle... When did I say reduced?

It was patently fucking retarded.

See, I don't know if this is, listen,

reduced is not the same thing

as inexorably connected and interdependent.

You can depend on something without being reduced.

Everything is connected to everything, Haas.

But 150,000 BC, there's no Da Vinci. There's a reason for that. Anyway, look, I'm going to explain

it to you simple, and I'm going to prove Marxism to you simply. There's only one way in which your type of politics takes root in Australia, or let's

admit there's similar patterns in Europe.

Potentially in America is very different, but let's say in Europe there's similar patterns.

There's a white population, and then there's these migrants, and there's these

problems, right? How can your white identity politics take root? How is it even conceivable?

Well, I'll tell you how it's conceivable. I'm literally giving you the plan for you, right?

So, a Brahman cast of unemployed,

neat degenerates, who have been autistically screeching about white identity and race politics for like 15 years, they've been very persistent about it it and they've been very fanatical and obsessed

about it. I'll give them that, right? So they're there. Now, most of society says these are

marginals. We don't care about them. Whatever. Forget about them. That's how it is. But when things

start to not make sense anymore, people's job security starts to become threatened

inflation goes through the roof rents are going up by every metric deindustrialization is

happening all these changes of happening where people don't have the fundamental dignity of a means

of living anymore they have no way to actually have the fundamental dignity of a means of living anymore.

They have no way to actually have the security that they're going to be able to have in support a family

and have a definite stake in their nation's future because they don't have a single piece of the pie.

Now, once this starts happening, once the capitals classes pushes too, too hard,

robbing the workers of everything they've won through the labor struggles of the 20th century,

suddenly they're looking for outlets to channel their grievances. They're not hateful people.

They're not evil people. They're not degenerates, but they're pissed off.

They have grievances, and they're angry at the fucking system that's robbing them of everything they fucking have.

Right?

These degenerate needs who are of a different class nature to them, they're the only people channeling grievance and dissatisfaction

and anger. They're the only people that are doing it. Why? Because the left wing sold out,

they sold out and became liberals. They became domesticated. They were neutralized by the CIA, which was waging a relentless war against them for the whole post-war period, and they won.

So the left wing got knocked out, the actual Marxist working class ideologists, they're gone.

They're not there anymore.

Only people that are there are these neat neo-Nazis on the internet. Slowly but surely, that working class, I mean, it's like

water, it's got to pass somehow. They're going to channel their anger and their grievance through that minority of

you know degenerates they're going to channel it very reluctantly out of desperation they have to they're

going to give into it they're desperate they need some way for their anger to be heard, right? And then slowly but surely, it can actually gain mainstream credibility. It could actually gain mainstream popularity. And then sooner or later, the capitalist classes here, seeing all of this, now they would prefer this to communist taking power. We know that. We know that the CIA intervene in the elections of Italy and Greece and so many other European countries, France, to make sure communists can't take power.

They literally did everything in their capacity to prevent that.

But this, you know, it may offend the sensibilities of the liberal establishment,

but that can be replaced.

The profits of the capitalist class, the power of the capitalist class, that is what's fundamental.

All this liberal stuff, this identity politics stuff, there's room for negotiation, right?

So eventually, eventually, eventually the capitalist class starts to

appoint some of these degenerates

to give them power

to whip up the population

for war because it turns out the

capitalist class is having its own position

threatened by foreign competition,

such as China and Russia and Bricks. So you only

come to power. The only scenario in which you come to power is by being a literal shill and

prostitute for the globalist capitalist class. That's how you come to power.

And it's only,

only going to

happen if people like

me are silenced

forever.

Because as long as

people like me

are around, we

are giving voice

to an alternative

that makes people

like you redundant

and superfluous.

Nobody needs racial hatred. When there's clarity as far as what's going on. When it's clear how we understand why people are angry, we understand why the system is fucking them over, because we correctly understand the laws of history which are being based in a class struggle.

Is that why people like you don't get banned from social media platforms and are allowed to operate,

where people like me constantly banned from everything and under the

attack by the establishment

you

here's the difference between us you give them

you even though you give them

the pretext to ban you by literally

you give them a pretext that's acceptable

to people for now right for you give them a pretext that's acceptable to people for now, right?

For now, society finds the pretext that they give to ban you acceptable.

I don't know, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish.

This is important.

This is important.

I agree with free speech.

Most people do.

Yeah, maybe, but it's a lot easier

to justify. I'm going to ban this guy because he's

a dangerous, hateful Nazi than

a guy like me. But even then,

hold on, hold on.

Even then...

It's to do with the ideology of the elite.

Hold on. You're not letting me finish because this is

very important. Even

if we understand that,

I'm still banned from fucking Twitch.

I got banned from Twitter until Elon

came back. The only reason I'm not

banned from YouTube is because I barely post there.

If I started really grinding that YouTube,

of course I'm getting bad. So I have not even

crossed any of the lines that the public finds completely unacceptable in terms of their sensibilities.

I'm not spewing hate. I'm not spewing violence. I'm not spewing Nazism. I'm not denying the

Holocaust. I'm not stepping on the toes. I'm not denying the Holocaust. I'm not

stepping on the toes of different races

just by virtue of the blood that they

come from. Because you know what? When you're a

racist and when you're that's, I mean

racist, not in the casual sense,

but like in the literal political sense,

when you start, you're stepping on a lot of people's toes. Some of those people might even agree with you or not have anything against you. Once you start targeting people just because of their ethnicity or their race, that whole tribe is now fucking against you. So you're creating a lot of pretext to create a lot of enemies for the establishment to ban you.

But even I don't give them that pretext and they still fucking ban me and persecute me.

How fucking crazy is that?

It's like you want to just call me.

You think that's why? It's like you want to just call me. You have a Russia Schilling or something?

You think that's the way?

It's not just Russia Schilling.

It's the way I've been able to articulate

a non-CIA

left-wing politics. That's why I was

targeted from day one on Twitch.

I was, you know how fucking hard I had it on Twitch?

I got, I ate seven day, 30 day bands left and right on Twitch all the fucking time they

had it out for me because I'm the only voice bringing back.

There's others now, but back then I was the only voice bringing back, there's others now, but back then I was the only voice bringing back

real, left-wing, authentic, no-nonsense, left-wing, Marxist politics and ideology. None of that

fucking woke stuff, none of that liberal nonsense. None of the identity

politics. Good old-fashioned communism, Marxism. And for some fucking reason, that scared the

shit out of them and they didn't have the pretext. They didn't have, they lied about me, Joel.

They had to lie about me. They have to lie and call me a fascist. They have to lie and call me a Nazi. They have to lie and call me the things that you openly identify as because those things give them the pretext. I don't give them that pretext and they

still fucking come after me.

That's how it works. It's like on the right

they'll call you like a

communist to differentiate you.

So like conservatives will

claim that I'm actually a communist

or something as a way to differentiate me from them.

And the same way on the left, they have to call you a Nazi or a fascist to differentiate you from the rest of the left.

Like, that's just how it works.

No, it's not just differentiate.

Yeah, it is.

It's not just differentiate.

Or demonize, whatever. It's not just differentiate. Or demonize, whatever.

It's to justify

violent threats, de-platforming,

silencing my voice, creating a

discursive barrier where there's no

communication possible and I, there's no

debate. Put it on the other side of the friend-endemy distinction.

That's how it works.

Yeah, but the difference is, this is the one that's sanctified by the establishment.

And there's a reason for that, because the neo-Nazi shit is the opposition they want to have.

They don't want me as opposition.

I'm an inconvenient opposition. This is the one they don't want to have. They don't want me as opposition. I'm an inconvenient

opposition. This is the one they don't

want to have. They're more tolerant towards communism

than towards...

Hitler, yeah, because Hitler is the boogeyman

they find acceptable. They don't even teach

you about communist history. They don't even

teach you about Stalin.. They don't even teach you about Stalin.

The history channel

makes Hitler out to be...

The history channel makes...

Listen, if you turn on the history channel,

they make Hitler out to be Darth Vader like a badass.

They make him like a fucking movie villain.

He's the boogeyman they find acceptable and tolerable.

They don't want Lenin to be the boogeyman because then people might start reading up on Lenin

and then suddenly becomes contentious.

Suddenly the possibility reemerges that there's a threat to the capitalist class once again. That's exactly what they've, I mean, look, I don't need to speculate and say this because literally the historical record proves it. In the post-war period, the CIA, the FBI, they were all marshaled.

All the resources of the state were marshaled to suppress and destroy communist consciousness and erase it forever.

But even before the Cold War, which was the pretext and the people that for example the black

panthers and the black communists they weren't under the employ of the soviets nobody

suspected on that the fbbi systemically destroyed them okay they were making alliances by

the way with uh white racists, the young patriots, who used a Confederate flag. That's the type of coalition they were building. The FBI fucking destroyed it. Then there was no foreign anything. There was no even suspicion of Soviet support for any of these guys.

Before the Cold War,

the whole FBI was basically

created and got the infamy it did under

J. Edgar Hoover during the first

Red Scare, the crackdown on the

labor movements and the radical movements in the

U.S. Anyway, you're just rambling.

I'm not rambling. I'm explaining

to the real fucking war that's been going on.

The state has gone after pro-white movements

and so-called fascist or

neo-Nazi movements as well.

The state goes up to both sides.

No, because half of those movements

were created by FBI agents.

We understand this. Half of those movements

were themselves created by the FBI.

That's the difference.

They want to stoke racial division.

They want to stoke racial tension. It's what they want.

You know, there's a lot of white people who

are just are racist, has. You don't have to

have some conspiracy theories to explain it.

You don't think there's brown and black people

who are racist, too, and yellow people who are racist?

We all have racial

prejudices, but when it comes to building a serious

political movement, you have to actually reach to the other aisle and build a coalition that I can

actually take on the establishment. You don't succumb to your own ignorant. Look, you don't think on some personal...

Hold on Joel Davis.

Do you think on some personal level, like some meaningless personal level, I couldn't be called racist?

Why, but why would I elevate that stupid? why would I elevate that to the dignity of, because when you're trying to unite a nation, because I'm all about uniting nations into grand historical projects, not dividing them.

They're all these different races into some arbitrary

identity. You mean like every great

empire in history?

Yeah.

Empires which collapse

due to basically betraying

their host population

uh yeah

anyway how does that how does that even follow

that's not true

I mean look at like the Roman Empire the Roman Empire

that was the liberal that was the liberal

historical narrative

that wasn't true.

It's just the truth.

But according to you, hold on, but according to you, the Latins and the people in the Italian

peninsula, they were white in the same way the Goths and the Gauls were

the barbarians who took over Rome

so who did they betray? It was all one race

according to you, wasn't it?

There are obviously distinctions within the race

as well which are those racial distinctions

are those racial distinctions? Are those racial distinctions?

I think in, uh, yeah, we ultimately, like, they still had a different set of ancestors.

So how could you be, how could they be distinct racially, but be the same race not following because because it's

the degree of difference so like when we say that there is a race yes there's internal differences

within the race just like there's different families within the race.

How is it one race with racial differences?

Does it make sense?

It does make sense because it's the degree of difference. Like what difference...

When we say race as like a category, obviously we have to draw the lines of demarcation at a certain level.

Where do you draw those lines, by the way? What about Hungarians? Are they white?

Yeah, they're Europeans, of course. But they have Hewnick blood from the Huns.

Not every single

population

is 100%

like there's some blood

that has mixed in

with some of the

like you know

in the Balkans

and in southern Italy

and so on Spain.

So look

we can look

a lot is this is metaphysical?

Like, what's the concrete substance?

Because, look, on the street,

you and I know what a white guy is on the street.

There's no dispute about that.

But that is just some casual nonsense.

When you're elevating that to the dignity...

Hold on, hold on. It's not casual nonsense. When you're elevating that to the dignity, hold on, hold on.

When you elevate the

casual observations

of differences in skin tone or whatever,

when you elevate... It's not about skin tone.

Yeah, yeah, but it's still superficial.

When you elevate that... It's not superficial.

It is, because when I'm on the street and I see a white guy, I know he's a white guy, but I don't know anything about who he is or what his character is. I don't know if he's a serial killer. I don't know if he's a great guy. I literally have no information about him except some vague cultural affinity

doesn't tell me much. But when you

want... Everyone knows that different races

have different characters, different

attitudes, different... There's different...

Here's the issue. Race...

Listen, let me explain to you. Race...

Everyone knows this.

Here's the problem. Race is just a colloquial term we use when we're taking for granted a given national context.

So, for example, when we're talking about white people in America, I'm not talking about Australians. I'm not talking

about French people. I'm talking about something

very specific to the American

national context.

May there be similarities

on that front? Maybe,

sure.

The white American has more in common with me than he has with you has i beg

to differ i really beg to differ i mean look look you could say that they look more like you

but culturally speaking no because why because because because okay i know okay. I know. I know. Okay.

The average white American takes for granted and sincerely believes

Martin Luther King was good for this country.

Yeah.

That's the problem.

When you said before, why are you so racist,

blah, blah, blah,

it's because I have noticed,

obviously, everyone can notice.

But white Americans don't...

Hey, shut up for a second.

They don't, no, no, white Americans don't hate.

Let me speak.

You spoke for a very long time.

Let me actually say something.

White people have a diminished racial and ethnic self-consciousness with respect to pretty much every other group.

Because it has been uniquely pathologized in the post-World War II cultural and ideological order.

And that's reinforced by the media.

It's reinforced by the political establishment, et cetera.

If you deny that, you're just wrong.

Listen, there's that we can actually, and it's actually empirically observable as well.

I'll tell you what's empirical. No, no,'s in no no no you're actually letting me say anything you don't have a moderator you spoke for a while uh come on your show i like to get to the

point i like to get to the point yeah i'm i'm making i'm making a point though let me just

let me say what i'm saying. You keep interrupting me.

You're interrupting my flow.

Just let me flow.

And then I'll, and then I'll let you speak for.

Go ahead.

Anyway, the point is that it's imprically observable that white people have a diminished and self-pathologized,

particularly obviously white leftists.

We know this, everyone understands this. Now, that needs to be addressed. In order for us to build any

kind of relationship of dignity to other races, other groups, we first have to get our relationship

within ourselves and to one another fixed, because we

have a fucked up self-awareness, a fucked up self-consciousness, and we have lost a sense of loyalty,

we've lost a sense of identity within ourselves due to this bombardment of this cultural and ideological program that's been

specifically designed for whatever reason to undermine it, to break it up, to pathologize it, etc.

So what I am trying to do is help ignite, you know, there's many other people like me, help

reignite that, help re-inspire white people to rediscover the principle of race, to rediscover racial

loyalty, blood, loyalty, the importance of blood. And if enough white people wake up and

organize around that principle, then, like I said to you

before, I didn't expect non-whites to respect what I have to say on the basis of just talking and

discourse. But I expect when we are organized, when we are back, when the white man is back, you will be

forced to come to the table and respect us because you will have no choice but to because we will be powerful again.

You're fantasizing, no concrete plan.

Anyway, let's get to the point.

You say, oh, there's all these white elites that are betraying you, that are betraying your nation and so on. Yes, they have no

loyalty. That's the problem. They are, it's like they are effectively non-white. See, here's the

issue. Two things, because you gibbered for a long time. Look at how much more simple I'll make

it, because I know even your audience are retarded. I'll make it because I know even your audience are

retarded I'll make it simple for them one okay you talked a whole lot of all this

propaganda whatever but when I go talk to a construction worker when I go talk to a guy

you know at a bar you're just a blue collar working class guy, just a regular dude.

And I say, what do you think about racism?

Look, we all make racist jokes.

We all have prejudices.

But you know what those sincerely say?

I judge a man by his character, not the color of his skin.

And he says the problem with these

BLM people is that they're

trying to be entitled on this race stuff.

I just believe in, you know, the merit

of your character. I'm not racist. I reject

that. We're all Americans.

If you think that's just

a result of propaganda, and that's not a form of wisdom the white working class in this country has you are so far removed from the sentiments of the people in this country now. You're interrupting me now. Now among needs who are antisocial and who don't work jobs, I get it. You could really just whip yourself up on this hatred and this delusional idea that all white people are like you or mainly like you. But the truth is, most white working class people, even if they're racist in the casual sense, they don't have racial

hatred. It's not hate for them. Hate is something only antisocial people really tend to have.

So that's the first thing I need to get to. No, it's not just propaganda.

There's an inborn understanding in this country, so much so that it's fun.

Your camp even mocks the Maga working class for this reason when you say, I don't see color, I don't care about race.

That's a very common

sentiment among the white

working class of this country, whether you

like it or not. And I don't buy that

it's just the result of propaganda because these people

don't watch mainstream media.

They don't even consume the, you know,

news media all that much in the fucking first place.

They don't really read all these books, academia, publishing.

It's a form of wisdom that they find honorable, just, and true, based on their actual empirical situation, working in factories and jobs that are racially diverse. Living in communities where

it's very common to have a friend or even yourself to date a Latina or to have some Native

American blood in you, or they don't care. White people in America are not as

racist as you want to make them out to be

when it comes to hatred

anywhere near racist enough

from my point of view

yeah yeah so second

so second of all

look how simple

I think the working classes

anywhere near Marxist enough

dude

they need to be way more

but they don't need to be Marxist Marxism is just a tool okay They need to be way more Marxist.

They don't need to be Marxist.

Marxism is just

a tool,

okay?

They need to be

who they are and

that's it.

Now second of all,

whatever you want to

say.

Yeah, yeah.

So the second

thing I wanted to

say addressing the

second thing you were

talking about,

remind me again where you were talking about the second

point you were trying to make.

The point that I was trying to make

is that why people are not going to be able to

demand respect and dignity.

No, no, not before that. Before that, you said something else.

I don't know.

If you can't remember it, I don't know what you're talking about, to be honest.

Yeah, okay, so you don't remember.

But to address your point about it.

Look, look, look, look, look, the point is, the point is,

didn't you already make it?

You don't have a strategy to implement the thing that you're even talking about.

That's the issue.

It's a fantasy for you.

You're basically saying, this is what you're saying, I'll make it simple.

You're saying is if I keep gibbering on the internet about white people uniting in white identity

eventually a majority

of white people will be resettive

that message. No, I think we need

to build white advocacy organizations

in the real world

and actually engage

activistically, actually engage in community

organizing. I don't

believe that it's just simply jabbering on the internet.

I argue against that view frequently.

Nevertheless, the internet is the vehicle by which you can

mobilize an audience and you can

spread propaganda, so obviously

we're going to use it, everyone uses it

for that reason and purpose, but

when you say, oh, it's just jabbering on the internet,

you can just throw that at you. Oh, you're just jabbering on the

internet about communism, but no, I actually

have a strategy. I have a strategy.

That's the difference.

Yeah.

I have a strategy as well.

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

I do.

Build community groups, organizations, which I participate in several.

Just like Charlottesville in the U.S. in 2017.

That went really well, didn't it so what like they had to some rally in another country big deal uh what's it going to do with me i don't know you wanted to debate me and you're a white internationalist, are you not? You care more about white racial

purity than the sovereignty of your own nation.

Yeah, because I understand,

as you rightly point out, that Australia

actually is subject to

the Western world in general.

It's subject to Western politics in general.

This was always the case.

It was created originally by the British Empire and then

basically got transferred into the American Empire.

So unless we can have white political victories in other

Western countries, it's going to be difficult

for it to occur here.

So why, why, hold on. You Hold on. You're saying you need to wait for white nationalism to win in America to free Australia,

but why would American white nationalists want to free Australia? Why wouldn't we want to

just keep you subjugated like the colony that you are?

That's a really important point. Like what makes you think, even if your white nationalist

ideology became mainstream in triumph, that it wouldn't just lead to people killing each other even more to an even

higher degree, because I think it would. I think unity on the basis of any people, whether there are

white or anything, the unity you're proposing is not conducive to unity it's conducive to division why because

it's based on hard

exclusionary foundations that can

have an infinite regress inward

easily everything great

everything beautiful

everything valuable in this world

must be protected through

division and exclusion

if you're attending a garden in the backyard

and you're trying to grow vegetables

and weeds start growing in the garden

you pull the weeds out you don't water the weeds

and like oh yeah, everything is welcoming my garden.

How is white identity politics?

You want to know how I know white identity politics?

Or whatever the fuck it is that you're growing.

You want to know how I know white identity politics can't unite anything and it's just

going to lead to more division, even if you get what you want. It's just going to lead to more division, even if you get what you want,

it's just going to lead to more cannibalism and tribalism.

You want to know how I know that?

Are you interested?

Make a point.

Because I see it in your communities.

I see it among the white identitarians themselves.

Where's your unity?

How can you even pull off unity amongst yourselves?

You guys all, not only are you guys divided?

It's not just that divided it's not just that

human beings it's not just that though

you guys are violently divided

you're swatting each other

you're threatening each other

you're beating each other up you want to kill each other

you have all these see

your own white nationalist sphere is proof why it will never rise to the status of any national project.

Because you can't even unite on any basis when it comes to building an organization or a party or a shared political project.

It simply doesn't.

The closest person who gets it, who gets to that, and this just proves how tenuous it is, is Nick Fuentes himself.

He has this strategy where he's trying to coalition build all of the alt-right people.

But how does that coalition take the form of what?

Everyone literally has to accept Nick Fuentes as their boss, and he's the leader, and you have to submit to him and basically humiliate yourself in your manhood.

It's not like he's building this common

institution that all of our honor is founded upon and based on. No, it's literally his personality

you have to submit to. You know how much resentment that creates? I don't know how much hatred and

anger that creates among his own lieutenants

who at any point are ready to snake him

in the back, which happens all the time

by the way. This is not a viable

basis for conducting any

real politics. The only hope

your sphere has. This is the

only hope you had, because it's the same thing Hitler had,

is if the capitalist class or factions of the capitalist class come and literally just throw

money at you and appoint you into power. We talked, I think, when we did the debates, Keith and I

against you. No, no, no, the debate

with you and Keith

Woods was about China.

It was about China. We ended up going on

about, is fascism, capitalism

in decay and so on? Absolutely.

It absolutely is. And

no, it isn't

a historical what you're saying.

If it's a historical, if it's

a historical, who funded

the Nazi party in the 1920s?

People can go and watch that debate.

No, no, why don't we actually, because that, the subject...

Let's not try and get distracted.

That was a tangent.

The subject matter of that debate was China.

Who funded the Nazi party in the 1920s?

It was relevant to that debate because the contention of the debate was...

You made the lie. You lied and claimed that pre-1932, the capitalist class didn't back Hitler. That's not true.

Not only did the German capitalist class back Hitler in the 1920s, the British, not only the British capitalists and Anglo-Dutch...

The bulk of the funding for the NSDAP in the 1920s was from Rankinfeld donations.

Then why were they so in debt by 1932 that they had to have all their debts cancelled?

Because they were in debt, literally.

It doesn't matter where the bulk of their operating costs came, or they were in debt literally. It doesn't matter where the bulk of their operating cost came or they were

in debt to this Capitol's class. By the way, Henry

deterting of the Royal... Royal Dutch Shell.

A bunch of these people in fucking Goulags once they took power. Like they

like you tell you

what, you know what? Not enough

people were in the... Not enough people

were in the gulags. Not enough people were in the

gulags. None of the German capitalists

could move against Hitler. Hitler had

them fucking under his thumb.

No, he didn't.

He didn't. Name a single

asset he nationalized

that the capitalist had in their possession.

It's the same, look at like Putin,

for example, you think Putin has control

of the Russian state, correct? He nationalized

gas prom. So yeah, that's really ballsy of him. He has control of the Russian state, correct? He nationalized Gazprom.

So, yeah, that's really ballsy.

He has control, but there's a whole bunch of capitalists that are very wealthy and powerful in Russia.

But they're all under his thumb because he consolidated power.

Because he nationalized gas prom.

Hold on.

But he nationalized, listen.

They get capped. Even you should know this.

You go against Putin and you're a wealthy industrial or something, you get shocked.

Wait, but Putin.

Listen, the Russian state.

That's how it works.

You don't mean.

The Russian state, you don't know this. You don't need to have like a nationalization program.

You don't know this.

Yes, you do, because the Russian state owns like 50% of the entire economy.

And the national social system did nationalize the financial system.

No, they didn't.

And they did it.

It was still, not only did they not nationalize it, not only did they allow the central

bank to have full central bank independence, but it was still making interest payments to

the Bank of International settlement.

The same debt that Hitler falsely promised he would cancel throughout World War II itself, he was still fucking paying these guys through his central bank.

Standard oil was still fucking giving the Nazis all their oil.

Wall Street was literally chairing the boards of the major German industrial companies that

were comprising the bulk

of the German war machine even

during the fucking war itself. You want to talk

about the capitalists were helping

the Soviet Union. No, they fucking weren't. They were

helping Nazi Germany even during the war.

Explain lend lease, ret. Explain Lendlis,

retard. Lendlis

was so negligible

compared to the total amount of Soviet

production that it's not even worth mentioning.

But even if we did want to mention,

even if we wanted to mention

Lendlies

Joel you don't know history so I'll explain it to you

Even yeah yeah

They're in an alliance with the communists

Yeah against the Nazis

End of yeah without thinking

Yeah anyone anyone

Anyone can just not think

Yeah but let's think

80% of lend lease

came 80%

80% of lend

I have to explain all right

Joel Davis, Joe David

was the war won by Stalingrad

Was the war?

I know we're losing now because you're freaking out. Was the war won by Stalingrad? Was the war... I know we're losing now because you're freaking out.

Was the war lost

after Stalingrad by the Nazis?

That pretty much turned the tie to the war.

I mean, yeah, of course.

Yeah, it did. Obviously, a key. But 80% of Len Lease, which in total was 4% of Soviet military production, by the way, 80% of that 4% came after Stalingrad.

That's how fucking minister was.

They already put everything in place to

provide it. They signed up.

They joined, made an alliance,

they started implementing a strategy

and implementing policies. 4%.

How did the Allies,

the Allies, you know what the Soviets needed?

Do you want to know, the Soviets kept telling them to open a second front and they wouldn't, why wouldn't they?

They made a fucking alliance with the Soviets.

Differences of strategy or whatever are relevant.

All this alliance amounted

to is basically we'll share some

intelligence and we won't attack each other. But like

concretely speaking, as soon as

the Soviets went into Manchuria to take

on Japan, the US literally nukes

Japan to send the Soviets a message

to hey, fuck off.

So in terms of the action... Even before American

entry of the war, the British had the opportunity

to make peace with Germany and they had

No, they didn't. No, they didn't.

And gone against the...

The British... Listen, here's the hilarious thing.

The capitalist class was having such a good

time with Hitler.

They could easily have made an alliance

between the British and the German.

They had to have sold out.

Hold on.

You don't know history.

But they didn't want to do that.

Get out the emotions so we can calmly

explain what actually happened. It went the way that

it did. It's very clear. Come on. We're exercising

the Nazi demons. They're coming out.

Now we can explain history. Now we can explain history

calmly. Let's calmly explain history.

Without interruptions. Let's calmly explain history.

The phony war was actually fucking phony.

The Germans themselves admitted that at the most decisive point, the only reason why they were

able to have their Polish campaign be successful is because the over 100 divisions combined of English and French divisions did not at the decisive point strike the Germans where they could have in the eastern part of France and they decided not to. The British had multiple opportunities to bomb the major sites of production and arms of the Germans, and they didn't. Why? Because they said, we don't want to harm private property. The war only accelerates to the point that it did during the Battle of Britain, where Hitler is writing Stalin letters, telling them that, hey, we have an opportunity to launch a plan to invade the aisles.

But I have too many Germans of esteemed noble English roots in my army, and they don't want me to invade the British Isles.

Basically saying he could invade Britain, but he's not going to because he's getting pressure within Natsu.

It's kind of fucking weird to say. But in any case, that phony war was maintained for one purpose only. The reason the British did not want to run, uh, uh, fuck over the polls and keep up the phony war

is because they couldn't have sufficient

pretext to their allies in the Balkans

and elsewhere. It would have been too

risky, especially with the Soviets,

toward the east, who could have really

gained a lot of credibility and legitimacy

from the failure of the British. What actually happens is that Hitler takes all of Czech

Slovakia's gold. It's transferred into German bank accounts through the Swiss banks,

facilitated by the Bank of England. And then he ravages through Eastern Europe,

including Poland, lutes so much gold and wealth and precious, you know, heirlooms, all this stuff

from the Holy Roman Empire, even from the Russian Empire, all this stuff that the British weren't able to take in World War I.

It was a whole heist which the Nazis got during the phony war.

And while they were paying the British back all of their loans for the Bank of International settlements, guess what they paid it in.

Fucking gold.

Gold that they actually got by looting Eastern Europe.

So that's pretty fucking crazy, isn't it?

The Nazi gold was able to lose

and get able to get looted in one

great heist, while the British

are keeping up this pretence that they're in a total war with the Germans, which they're not.

And then meanwhile, this whole time, this whole time, that's the best part.

Hitler is preparing to destroy and invade the Soviet Union, the First Workers Republic.

And that was his whole goal from the beginning.

This fucking guy kept lying to Stalin and all these letters saying, yeah, I'm fighting Britain.

I'm fighting Britain.

Meanwhile, his whole plan from the beginning was to destroy the Soviet Union. And you

want to know who fucking enabled that plan?

Britain and France. Why?

Because the Soviet Union repeatedly

throughout the 1930s

kept offering packs of mutual

assistance and aid to France

and Britain. let's form

a common security pact, to protect

Czech Slovakia, protect Poland, protect

our own territories from this newfound

German aggression every single

time they fucking denied it.

So you're telling me that because

they waged this phony war war and that when the Soviets were literally hanging on by a thread after the German invasion that the allies formed that the Soviets sold out to the capitalist world, which funded and enabled Hitler in the first place and wasn't even fighting

him genuinely and sincerely?

But why did the capitalist liberal elites not abandon war with Hitler and then endorse his

war effort and support his war against the Soviets?

Why would they support the Soviets defending themselves?

Because they didn't have the public support to do it.

Like I said, they needed to maintain the protests.

Why did the British pull out of the Soviet Union in the 1920s?

Do you know why that was?

You're coping.

I'm not coping. It was the power of the british labor movement which exerted

pressure on the government to get their backs off of russia because they had solidarity with the bolsheviks

so in the same way there was public life in in Britain and in France, which didn't believe in

Nazism.

It didn't believe in the goals of Nazism.

And you had elites, which did believe in those goals.

Are you going to sit here and lie to me and tell me that the footage doesn't exist of the

British royal family giving those Hitler

salutes.

Are you going to sit here and lie and tell me that Anglo-Dutch Royal Shell wasn't backing Hitler,

that Henry Deterting had his funeral in Nazi Germany because of support for them?

You're going to sit here and lie that the English aristocracy didn't back him?

And so obviously that faction didn't win out.

They did win out because no second front was open and they waged a phony war

only because Britain had to maintain its obligations. no second front was open and they waged a phony war only

because Britain had to maintain its

obligations to Poland and

to Eastern Europe as

by the way as part of its bulwark strategy

against Bolshevism. So there you go.

And then

after Hitler

runs through France

and then

they had 14 peace

envoys or 17 peace envoys

and the British knocked it back again and again and again

Hitler was trying to have peace. He did want to go

to war with the Soviet Union.

He wanted peace with Britain. He said, hey, I'll let

you have the British Empire. I'm taking Europe.

I'm going to remove the scourge of communism from Europe.

Why didn't the British

go? Yes, excellent. Because the plan was

never for there to be a thousand-year

Reich and for Hitler to actually be in charge. The goal was for him to do all the dirty work

that the English couldn't do themselves, and then at the final moment they were going to swoop in,

use everything Hitler created already to create their new world order that they

wanted to create and to fund it with all the gold that they looted and structure Europe in the way

that it's structured now. So Hitler does all their dirty work and then the very last minute realizes

he's not part of the end plan and

Germany is not going to be on top of this.

They facilitate handing over half of Europe to communism.

They

facilitated the half of Europe that was already

robbed high and dry.

You mean the Europe that was already

robbed high and dry

that they got what they wanted

all the gold that they got

and by the way

Churchill wanted to nuke

the Soviet Union immediately

it was

shout out FDR

our guy

who prevented that from fucking happening why Why? Because FDR wasn't fully bought out. I fucking love Stalin. There you go. There was an implicit solidarity between the Nazis and the British Empire and America and Russia had an implicit solidarity.

That's what I think is based.

And look, you're Australian.

You're a colony of the British, so of course you sympathize more with the Nazis.

I understand.

Yeah, it was a great tragedy.

We should have, if we allied with them, we'd probably still have our empire and still have our Reich.

And I promise you to the last man, just like the Palestinians in Gaza, any fascist regime and dictatorship by the Germans against the Slav, they would have fought generations and generations to the last man.

Because that's what human beings do. They don't want to submit to slavery. They don't want to submit to this idea that there's people who are racially inferior and racially superior. People are willing to die and give their blood before submitting to that Satanism and demonic nonsense.

Many, many, many Slavs that fought on the side of the Nazis against the communist scourge as well. So I mean...

Many traitors to their actual homeland while their women are being

oh yeah because it really worked out well the you know the warsaw pact was just lovely wasn't it it

was all peace love of rainbows you know that's that's something i find interesting why wasn't it based

if you're this guy who's so against mass migration, where was the mass migration

in East Germany and Poland and Czech Slovakia?

Those were really culturally

homogenous. It's the same as like when you're talking about the

Ukraine-Russia thing. It's like, yeah, both sides were

fucked. No, no. One

side was culturally

homogenous, traditional, rooted in an enthusiasm and embrace of one's history, not shame and guilt before it.

I mean, mainly white country, since you care so much about that, right?

They had no, none of this white guilt stuff, none of this globalism,

none of this LGBT stuff, coherent, integrated societies that made sense that were pro-family,

you could have families, they were endorsed. And then on the other hand, you have West Germany,

which is being ravaged with pornography and degeneracy and all these things. See, that's how I know you guys are insincere. You claim to be against all of these things, but you're so committed to the fundamental foundation of capitalism, which were all these things actually come from, that when push comes to sub, you side with the capitalists against the communists, even though the communists don't have that degeneracy and all that stuff, you justify yourselves on the basis of it's kind of

crazy I didn't side with the

capitalists

my whole narrative

when push comes to shove

was that

that obviously a hostile element had taken over the

Anglo-American world and still

is still running it and it's

genociding my fucking race and I want

them deposed and destroyed. So like

I don't understand. Yeah, you know, it's, this is what

you don't understand. It's not your race

that's being genocided. It's humanity

itself that these demons are trying

to destroy and kill.

And you're going to help them by stoking the flames of racial division.

Because they want to reduce the population.

They have a Malthusian agenda.

I know Keith Woods sits here all the time and goes, if they were Malthusians, why is the population in Africa rising?

Because they're not in control anymore.

Because there's a new world order that's now emerging, led by people rebelling against

this empire, and that's exactly what they're trying to stifle and destroy it every turn.

That's the world that you want to pause, just infinity niggas.

See, there you go.

But you say that behind it.

Listen,

this is why you need a job.

If you lived in America,

especially, because you live in Australia,

you live in America,

you say these things in public,

you get your teeth knocked out.

You get knocked out.

It's not a...

In America, I just have a gun.

You can have a gun all you want,

but you'd be too much

of a pussy to use it,

I promise.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I don't think he would stand on...

Listen, I don't...

If I ever meet you in real life, I guarantee you'll be the pussy.

Really?

Like what, like 5.3 or something?

Have you ever, like, gotten a fight in your life?

All right.

The fact that this is the information that you have on me makes me really confident that you're in store for a surprise if we ever met in real life.

And I'm completely confident with that.

I don't know.

I'm just going to-

No, no, keep thinking these things.

I want you to think them.

I want you to think the things you think about me.

You don't want to say how tall you are.

You're ashamed?

You know what a sign of losing a debate is, Joel?

Is when you start jibbering about nonsense like this.

What a sign of being ashamed of your hide is when you won't say what it is?

You lost on the substance.

He started dropping N-words and shit because you need to throw bones at your edgy audience

because your audience themselves

will admit if they're honest, you just got fucking

destroyed and you're, the red button

you have to click to regain

some guy, N-word, N-word! Guys,

please help me! This is all you have

because you know you're cultivating a fan base of degenerate anti-social anti-human scum

and these are the meat you see the meat that i throw at my she let's listen the difference in us the meat that i throw at my audience the meat that i throw at my audience the meat that i throw up my audience. As I said, my theory of

history, Haas, is a theory of history where it's

guided by genius, and genius just so happens

to be largely collected within the

area in a race, and non-existent

in the African race. I don't want a world of

Uber driver Paget's and delinquent blacks.

Listen, listen, you could believe these myths.

And the destruction of any kind of high civilizational potential or any great culture.

I know you're creating this ideology where like fringe

antisocial needs

conceive of themselves as

Aryan geniuses and all this kind of stuff

but at the end of the day

all you are

are history is my evidence

all you are are people

who don't understand anything.

Your people who don't read books.

You don't understand anything about how the world

actually works. You talk about grand things

like history without even being able

to give me a single fucking explanatory

paradigm for how you think history actually develops and goes in the directions that it does. What are the laws of history? You have nothing. I'm trying to get you to justify class struggle as determining the invention. What is you? Okay. Oh okay oh yes the Renaissance

was all about

class struggle

what drives history

if not class struggle

revival of

of Greco-Roman

culture

reading the old books

and and

yeah

breaking free of shackles

what drives what drives history what drives history if not a fundamental tension at the level of how human beings reproduce their existence because if there was no tension if that antagonism and conflict did not exist there would be no history

human existence would be static it would never change it would be the same thing forever so my view

is class struggle drives history it's common sense, what do you think drives history,

if not that? Go ahead.

I think history is driven by genius.

Genius defined as...

That's so retarded.

That's so retarded.

Towards the transcendent.

This is what drives all the great philosophy

and on, on, on.

And genius

is something

only inborn

and genetic

according to you,

yes?

No,

that's not

what I said.

Well,

that's what it's

rooted in the

blood,

yes?

There is a higher capacity

so why

okay the blood the blood

the blood you're talking about

the blood you're talking about 100,000 years minimum

where's all the genius cavemen

80,000 years ago

where are they?

Why did human

beings live as retarded cave monkeys

for the majority of their existence? Why

now has everything changed past 10,000 years?

Because we

have civilization, has.

But why didn't we have

civilization is the product of genius

and genius is the product

of something born in human nature, but human beings

have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. Why didn't

we have civilization before?

Why did it take so fucking long?

See how stupid you are? It's like you're retarded the idea i didn't say like civilizational forms are just inborn within blood obviously

they take time to develop why but why did it take a hundred and ninety thousand why

did it take hundreds of thousands of beings?

That compose a civilization determines the quality of the civilization.

Which is why niggers don't have civilization.

And what is your descent?

What is your lineage?

Are you Irish?

I am Anglo-Celtic.

So Irish?

No, mostly English.

You know, that's a word that the English used to use for your people, the Irish? They considered you subhuman.

The Gaelic Iberian archetype. That's what they saw you as. I don't, I'm not a Gaelic Iberian. I wish, I

wish, I lived the Irish Iberian pheno, the physiognomy. I wish you lived a hundred years ago ago so you could have an Anglo-Saxon call you the N-word for being Irish.

So, like, basically, you think this is funny because why?

Because you're just this Irish guy

who was considered subhuman for hundreds

of years now using the N-word. It's ridiculous

to me. I mean, I have a few Irish

ancestors with the majority of my ancestors are English

and Scottish, but even if I was Irish.

Well, it's clearly the Irish side.

It's clearly the Irish side. The Irish people are a fantastic race to be descended from. They would have no shame in being 100% Irish. Yeah, but you, you know what? They would have laughed at you 150 years ago and called you some kind of like gay liberal for saying that because the consensus was that the Irish were the

N-words you're talking about. That's the words

they used for them.

You're just this Irish...

You're just... You know what? You're just this Irish guy.

I just find it funny. You're just this Irish guy with a time machine

150 years in the future, and you're

like, ha ha, I'm calling people

the N-word now. It's like, that's what

you were for like your entire

history. It's just so

hilarious to me. It's like

if a chimpanzee came in a time machine

or something and was starting to talk, and and was like denigrating other apes.

And that's what they're considered as.

That's what you look like to me right now.

It's interesting that, you know, you have to appeal to some kind of, like, racist framework in order to make a point.

The one you believe in.

The one that has origins in the thing you believe in, not me.

You think I believe?

Do you think I think Irish people are subhuman?

I long for a time in which racism could be between Anglos and Irish

that would mean that we'd be living in a beautiful

world, a world where that was our problem.

But we don't live in that world.

We live in a world now.

But what's to stop you?

But here's the problem.

It's an infinite regress.

200 years from now, you could be like, I long

for a world where the issue is racism

between us and the Chinese and Indians.

But now it's like, it's an infinite,

your ideology is an infinite regress. It doesn't

make humanity, you have a low view of

man. And your ideology. I have an humanity. You have a low view of man. And your, in your

ideology. I have an ideology. I have

an ideology of, I like

greatness. So, I like

a time. But that's not the direction. You're like a

higher cost that has a certain

path that has a certain path.

I like differentiation.

I like excellence.

Do you think indulging, listen, do you think indulging?

And striving to be higher

and more powerful and more excellent.

By saying the N word.

Rather than the reduction of everything down to this

kind of banal flattening, where all human beings are of equal worth and their mutual slavery.

Wait, you are literally the guy who believes in a homogenous white race flattening everything.

You don't even believe

in your own sovereignty.

You're willing to put...

You believe in the European race, but I don't...

You believe in white globo

homo so much that you think

it's less important to be sovereign

than to be part of white globo homo.

That's how cucked you

are to it. And you know, here's the thing, dude.

This is what you don't understand. I want racial

sovereignty. Okay, but there's

no such thing. That's like saying you want sexual

sovereignty. It means nothing. It means

nothing. It's like saying you want gay sovereignty.

What does that even mean?

Racial sovereignty. Racial sovereignty. How can a people just be sovereign?

So everyone of European descent is going to be sovereign in their capacity of being European

descent. It makes no fucking sense. It's retarded.

No, when the

people that actually have loyalty

to the race are in charge,

then the state is going to function

for the benefit of the race.

So you're not talking about loyalty to the race.

You're talking about the loyal.

It's like saying like, oh, if you have, according to your ideology, you like the dictatorship

of the proletariat.

The proletariat obviously isn't like actually making all the decisions.

There is a dictatorship, but the dictatorship is supposedly on behalf of class loyalty and class consciousness.

Do you understand this principle? Are you just playing this? No, because even if the proletariat isn't making all the decisions, the proletarian

dictatorship is a specific way the state is understanding

the social forces that are at the base of it. Exactly. And interfacing

with those. But you seem to, you're just saying white people.

The racial state would be understanding social forces and politics in terms of what benefits the race and in the importance of race and that value of racial nonsense. That's just arbitrary nonsense. It's totally arbitrary. It's totally arbitrary. You're saying everything that benefits, everything that benefits how it makes decisions and how it understands itself and what principles enable leaders to be elevated.

So let me clarify what we're talking about here.

I'm Joel Davis. I believe in a state that safeguards

the interests of everyone who is of European descent exclusively. Don't ask me how this state

will come into being or what the strategy is for this to even be possible in the real world, it's just what I believe.

And the more that I keep talking about it, the more probable that it is to happen.

Because this have existed before. I can point to a real historical example.

My own country was a white nationalist country.

Wasn't white nationalism. White nationalism

is a specific

ideological project.

It's a specific response

to multiculturalism.

There was no white nationalism

in the past because they weren't

responding to any white nationalism

and white Australia policy wasn't a matter of, hold on, it wasn't a matter of ideology because Australia was already white and all the white majority was referring to was the working class they already had. They didn't need this special white nationalist ideology

to articulate that fact, because

it was a self-evident reality.

The first thing that they did was deport

a bunch of non-white laborers that were

brought in. And a reason

they were able to deport those laborers,

and there was a demand to deport them was because...

They were racist with solidarity.

Why did the Labor Party do it then? Why didn't the Conservative Party or the Tories do it?

They agreed, they mutually agreed to it.

Why did the Labor Party lead the way?

The Labor Party led the way because

they weren't as tied to the foreign

business interests that were bringing in the

Because, and why were the foreign

business interests bringing in that labor?

Because they had no loyalty to the racial stock of Australia because they were only

How does that make you money? How does that make you money?

What I mean? It's just obvious. Why can't you just say it was because the labor was cheaper?

Why don't you just say the thing that solved everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's obvious. Why can't you just say it was because the labor was cheaper? Why don't you just say the

thing that's self-evir? Yeah, yeah.

It's obvious.

If that's fucking obvious, how do you not see the connection

between white Australia policy

and a specific way that

the Australian working class was trying to

engage in labor protectionism.

They were fighting against foreign capitalists,

but they weren't just fighting against them for economic reasons.

They were fighting against them for racist reasons.

But Australia wasn't even sovereign.

How could this be some nationalism

when they didn't even have a nation that was their own to speak of?

They asserted that they did.

And it came into existence.

They said we...

They didn't.

They didn't.

At one point, they were like, oh, I'm Scottish.

I'm English.

I'm Irish.

And there was hostility.

And then a bunch of chinks came to the goldfield.

And they were like you know what actually actually we're white

and why were the Chinese people accepted

in the actual Eureka rebellion

that was actually Ireland sovereign

sorry Australia sovereignty

like a libtard washing of history to make

the Eureka rebellion was

whites

rebellion. Are you going to

are you prepared to sit here and deny?

You think, yeah,

there was no ancient

metaphysical nonsense. It was people

working the same fucking jobs in fields.

Put it this way.

Let me ask you a question.

Your Marxist ideology...

Forget Marxism.

Spartacist slave revolt. Was it multiracial?

Just because there's been a multiracial

slave revolt at one point in history

doesn't negate my country.

No, at multiple points in history,

people from very different backgrounds

who are thrown in the same fucking boat decide to unite

together and free themselves on the basis of the shared situation that they're in. It's no

less different for the Spartacus slave revolt as it was for the history of the working class movements

of the West for hundreds of

years. All right?

The working class movement of Australia was racist. Are you denying that it was a racist movement?

After the Eureka rebellion was crushed and racial division became cemented as a definite

tour? Wasn't really crushed that effectively

Haas.

A whole bunch of the leaders

weren't jailed and then became

mainstream politicians.

They had sympathizes

and infiltrated the system

and they ended up becoming the government.

It was crushed.

They were all bought out

and it was crushed

because they never left the fucking Commonwealth.

Now, did they?

Yeah, well, I actually think that was a mistake

in considering... And that's why

they were able to remove Whitlam

who was elected by the Australian people

in the Labor Party,

but the British Queen didn't like him, so he's

gone. That's your country. What a disgrace.

Why are you gibbering

about white identity when you have

a really bigger issue on your plate?

Your country's occupied. You don't even have

your own country. It's crazy.

Yeah, and what are the occupiers doing?

They're stuffing my country full of non-whites,

institutionalizing anti-white discrimination and racism,

empowering all these minority ethnic groups As political factions against my people.

Yeah, they're stoking.

And so I'm saying, we need to organize in defense.

Genius. Genius.

It's a logical reaction.

Dude, you're such a genius.

All these other groups are organizing racially against you, but don't organize racially against them.

Oh my God.

The capitalists are stoking racial tension,

so let me fuel the flames and just go fully into it.

Are you stupid?

Racial tension is here.

I want to win the racial tension.

I don't want to be continuing to lose the racial. You're playing into their hands.

They're stoking racial tension,

and you're jumping on board with it.

Even however much

it's been stoked or whatever, it's

You know what the honorable thing, honestly...

What they are doing is they are

trying to unify every non-white

racial interest. No, they're not.

No, they're not. You know that's not true.

If their goal was to

unify the races,

why are they doing all of this

racial grievance nonsense or

institutionalizing?

How does that unify anyone?

It just creates...

You're the seat at the table

for every group except me.

Because they're trying to divide

people by race.

Because they're trying... Yeah, because they're trying

to divide people by race and you're falling for it.

They're trying to...

They're integrating and unifying all

the non-white interests

Let me explain to me to you

There's not only

They're not just dividing people by race

They don't want white nationalism

They aren't supporting white nationalism

They aren't giving us to see at their table

They're creating the foundation for it

They're setting it up And you're taking the bait.

Why are you taking the bait?

They want to divide people on race and you're taking the bait.

Listen.

I want us divided on race.

I don't want to be unified with a bunch of Pagit Uber drivers into a working class movement.

And they'll take what you just said.

They'll take what you just said.

They'll fuck out of my country.

Listen, you may...

They'll have better wages.

Listen, you may feel some way.

And an actual country that we run.

That's what it was when I was growing up.

Listen, you are an optics disaster.

You are an optics disaster for the Australia

Independence Movement. That's what you are.

They clip what you say, and they ship it, and they so look at how

hateful these people are. Straight talking, actually. Australians like people who tell it

like it is. But if, okay,

there's a difference

between being amicable

and like leveling

with people talking how it is

and straight up having

no serious political outlook

beyond your just petty feelings.

Because I have to tell you

the reality. It is petty feelings. It is petty feelings. I have to tell you the reality.

It's not petty feelings.

It is petty feelings.

To want to have a nation

that my people are in control of

where we can control our own destiny

where our culture remains dominant.

You know what would be great for Australia?

Let me tell you would be great.

It's not petty feelings.

That's what pretty much everyone wants.

As someone who's Lebanese...

As someone who's Lebanese,

I decide Australia's future, right?

So here's what I think Australia should do.

What Australia should...

What you're talking about?

Australia is a... It's a Phoenician colony now i own it anyway

here's what you australian should do okay if you're serious if you seriously want to

stop these people destroying australia if you want to stop the foreign control of

australia take the fucking high road.

Be unapologetic.

Australian working class movement.

Doesn't matter if it's mainly white.

You know what the first thing liberal press is going to do?

They're going to say, oh, this movement is too white.

This is like they did with even Bernie Sanders.

They did this shit.

Oh, it's too white.

There's too many, you know, white men.

Oh, they're going to keep stoking the racial.

They're going to keep clicking the racial button.

Don't take the fucking bait.

Keep taking the high road.

Hold on, on.

Don't take the bait.

It actually makes people fight hard.

Don't take, no, no, no.

What makes, what makes, you know, no, no, ethnic conflict all the time. Ethnic conflict has generated most of the states that exist in the world today.

But underlying But underlying all

it organizes people.

It organizes people.

It bonds people.

It makes people

no.

What organizes people,

what organizes people

is joining together

for a cause

they regard as honorable

and just from the perspective of the integrity, not only of their history, but their present situation. Now, let me translate to you in that simple terms. If you are owed something, if something belongs to you and it's yours and it's being taken away from you unjustly

you correct the record and stand

on business and you fight for

what's yours. The working class

is being robbed high

and dry. Australia is

occupied and it's not sovereign.

Correct the record.

Stand on the record.

Stand on business.

Don't take debate.

Don't apologize either.

Keep the line firm, center.

Stalin is golden path

you keep fighting

you don't fight

just because they're calling you a racist

doesn't mean you have to actually become racist

and it also doesn't mean you have to do

what Bernie did and overcompensating

and start apologizing

focus on what matters

and stop getting distracted.

Stop getting distracted.

That's what Australia's politics

initially was. It was a politics

of maintaining

a white man's land,

white power in

in the continent, maintaining a

home for the white man. There was barely

any white, there was, there was barely

any non-white people. It's meaningless.

No, no, no, they would have been horrified,

horrified at what has happened. And no, they would not say...

They probably would have been scared by computers, too.

It doesn't matter.

Listen, listen.

...into some working class...

Listen, there is nothing...

There is nothing honorable...

Let's talk about honor.

There's nothing honorable or just or righteous about

hating on somebody just because they come from

a different lineage than you. That's fucking stupid.

You're saying some guy

who is committed to your country,

who wants to fight for your country and build

a fucking country.

Somebody who wants...

Somebody, so some guy born in your

country who's non-European

who literally wants to fight

alongside the Australian people to regain

their sovereignty, who cares about

Australia's future, wants to fight for it and make it

better, you're going to be hating

on that dude just because he comes

from a different continent than you. That's fucking

retarded.

Where he belongs. If he's Indian

Go for him. That's retarded. That's

retarded. For China's future.

Listen, I don't have to keep telling you that's retarded.

The main point is, most people agree have to keep telling you that's retarded. The main point

is most people agree with me, not you.

Yeah, and they're wrong.

Well, the thing is,

how are you going to persuade people to become

demonic psychopaths? I don't understand.

People are waking up more and more

as this multiracial experiment

to be knowing its floors.

People are becoming more aggrieved

with a system that's selling them out

and robbing them high and dry.

They can't even pay for the basic necessities anymore.

They can't even, people can't even get by and make a decent...

Listen.

And like blacks,

the Muslims and the black and brown people, I hate them all.

Listen, listen, most people aren't on board with that fundamentally

most people just want to be able to make a decent honorable dignified living and they can't do that anymore

so people such as yourself are trying to hijack that grievance.

And what's that going to lead to in the long run?

It's going to lead to people getting fucked over even more.

This is what it comes to.

The distinction between the triviality and of the Marxist mind,

where you just think that all that matters

is fucking economic relations

no there's more to life than economic relations

you say you say economic relations

you know a concept of culture you say

concept of any higher principle

any higher virtues

you say economic relations like it's something trivial,

but when I say economic relations, I'm talking about

the, I'm talking about people's honor, what they actually

fucking own, what is theirs by virtue of their labor.

I, shut up for a second, shut up for labor and I shut up for a second

shut up for a second

shut up for a second

what is

what is anything but that everything is

stop gibbering

yucubi and jibber

listen what is owed to them

in terms of their labor

their toil their sweat what they've actually fucking built, how man

changes the natural world around him to make it conform to his existence. That's what economics is.

That's what labor is. How man feeds himself, clothes himself, shelter himself.

That's man's honor. That's his dignity. That's his life. You're saying that doesn't matter,

really? Somebody is fucking, can someone comes to your house and robs you, takes over your fucking house, you're going to let that happen and just sit idly by? If you want to defend your honor, of course you're defending your economic integrity and your economic power. It is economic. That's how we literally exist and survive. And that is exactly what the capitalist

class is trying to steal and take away from the workers who you just now want to divide on race.

Why? How is that rational? How is that logical? That's one of the main ways in which they have undermined the workers is by bringing in...

So, for example, the trucking industry in Australia used to be all white truckers.

They had unions. They had solidarity. They had a certain consciousness.

Now they're filling it up with Indians that aren't fundamentally predisposed

culturally to organizing the way that we organize. They don't have this. They just work for a wage

and that's it. It's a tale as old as time. What you just said. What you just said,

strike that shuts down.

You can't do a general strike that shuts down transport between the major cities and really causes a crisis for the system.

Because the Pajid's will keep going to work.

You're right, they will.

Listen, you want to know what you just said ad verbatim. You don't want to hear about it because I don't know you have this thing, you're allergic to books, but it's a tale as old as time what you're talking about. And Marx talked about it when he was talking about the relation between the Irish and the English workers. The Irish were imported into England to fulfill the same role as the Pagit's you're talking about. Same exact thing. And, you know, the more workers started just targeting the Irish, the more that the capitalist class was able to lower

their wages and rob them high and dry because the only isn't communist marxists don't believe in

immigration because it compromises the integrity of the labor movement but when it's already at your doorstep and you're already in this situation you have to deal with,

you don't respond to it by inflaming division among the workers.

The only solution, the only solution is to organize the workers.

Organize those white Australian workers.

Combine their power, combine their labor,

and then once you have that foothold,

you have to start making coalitions.

You have to organize those pejit workers.

You have to organize those non-white

workers

only a united

working class

can defeat

these capitalists

bloodsuckers and

nothing else

now do we

consider it ideal

is cheap labor

is importing

is importing

is importing cheap labor

ideal? Fuck no, it's not.

It's a disaster. But it's a

chess move that the capitalists engage in.

How do you respond to it? The way you're

responding to it, you're playing into their hands.

You're giving them exactly what they want. That's literally

why they import these people

so that you can just, so everyone can be divided on race and not focus on getting the bread, getting

what actually fucking matters. So the only way to combat that chess move by the capital is,

class unity. It's class unity.

Yeah, all that matters to you is bread. No, what matters to me is blood, which is bread.

And there's no... No, what bread is the sustenance of blood, you understand?

Blood, blood doesn't just, I know needs think this, because they're needs, they're just subsisting off of welfare or some shit, and they're like the Brahmins of society.

Unlike you have to actually have a job.

Labor is the sustenance of blood.

Labor.

Without labor, there is no blood.

Without labor, there is no blood.

Labor is the basis and foundation of blood.

People coming together and mixing their blood is on the basis

of shared forms of labor.

When people make livings in the

same exact way, when you're working

in the same factories and communities.

Read all the slaves together, yes.

You start, yeah, but even in ancient times, when people start exchanging and learning from each other about how they fucking pick berries off trees or whatever, shared agricultural practices, they start intermarrying through trade and all these things. Labor is the foundation of blood.

It's the foundation of humanity.

Labor is.

Not some idle metaphysical notion of race,

because that's an idea that's not based in work.

You're just born with whatever fucking race you are.

You don't have to work for it.

And that's why it needs love this ideology. You don't have to work for it. That's why needs love this ideology.

Fellow slaves, don't ever

try to attain anything higher or have any

higher cultural historical conception

of who you are. This is your worldview, has.

You have the worldview, totally

de-rassinated, uncultured.

Well, here's the thing.

I am confident that the Soviet Union reached higher heights, quite literally, actually, by going to space and shit than Australia ever has.

The Soviet Union

Soviet Union was a profound

intellectual civilization, lofty

philosophical outlook, high view of man,

going into space, building grand things,

art, literature, disseminated on a mass scale.

Everybody loves poetry, reading the classics.

Ballet.

They're all reading these ancient Greek fucking philosophers.

Everyone wants to be literate.

Everyone's reading books.

Everyone's dressing themselves nice.

Everyone's being eloquent with culture

people care about these things

that was the Soviet Union

that was the standard for communist civilizations

even in Cuba

even in Cuba today

they can get shit done even in Cuba today as Russians are an impressive group. They can get shit done.

Even in Cuba today, as much as Cuba isn't Russia, everybody in Cuba is literate.

Everybody in Cuba reads books. Oh, they can read books in Cuba.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, that already makes them superior to you and most Australians.

And by the way, the Chinese, by the way, the Chinese and North Koreans aren't white.

It's the same story as the Soviet Union.

The greatest mankind is able to achieve the loftiest heights attained by mankind is through communism.

Because it's a high view of man, not a low view of man like the one you're propagating, a high view of man.

To be greater than what you are now, that's precisely what we believe in and what you don't believe in.

I don't deny that people are racist. I don't deny people who have prejudiced. I don't deny any of that. But communism says,

let's go above all that. Let's aspire to be beyond what we are now, to learn more, to be better,

to be greater, to be more moral, to be more civilized, to be stronger, to be tougher, to be more effective.

That's what I believe in.

You believe in the opposite.

You believe in to regressing into...

I believe in...

You believe in...

Translation. Translation.

Translation.

You believe in regressing into cannibalism, where we're all going to start killing each other for nonsense reasons. That's stupid. No, I want complete white power, domination, and peace. Translation, you want to divide the people on race and lead to race wars and destruction of civilization

once all the non whites are removed then the people will be unified that's the and that's the

easy part right it's the see you don't understand you actually need to build a movement that unites your nation.

You're never going to do that with the shit you're preaching, I promise.

My nation is the white Australian nation.

As I said, Paget Uber-Dri-Royer-Roy.

You won't even unite that nation.

You won't even be able to unite white people with the shit you're preaching,

because half of them are fucking libtards that don't

want nothing to do with it.

Yeah,

Lib tards, but lib tards

are on a trajectory towards death. They don't breed.

They will die out.

The

white, the white blood which actually has a future uh

and why do you even not then are you just children and as grandchildren uh it will see the light in

what i'm saying it has to so why do you even so if you're just destined to win,

why are you even debating me?

I just thought it'd be fun.

No.

Clearly,

the reason you're debating me,

the reason my tweet riled up

your whole sphere,

quote unquote,

is because you know

there's something true

about the shit that I'm saying. You know I'm on to

something here. You know that I'm talking

about something. You guys want to ignore

it and neglect it, but there's something fucking

there. And I'm just going to tell you this.

Listen, I'm just going to tell you this.

I'm just the third time we've debated. I'm just going to tell you this. Listen, I'm just going to tell you this. I'm just the third time we've debated.

I'm just going to tell you this. It ain't going nowhere.

It ain't going nowhere.

I'm fully aware that the non-white

races will continue to express

their racial animus and slave moralism.

All right, all right. Hold on.

Is Jackson Hinkle

non-white? I just want to know how we define white now.

I think Jackson Hinkle is on the payroll of the Russian

states. What about John Jackman? Is he white?

I don't know who is. Eddie Liger? These are big guys in our community. Eddie Liger? I don't know. I only know you and Jack. I don't know who is. Eddie Liger. These are big guys in our community.

I don't know.

I only know you and Jack.

I don't know all the other guys.

Well, most of them are white.

But even if they weren't, it wouldn't matter.

But they're mostly...

But is white...

Because I think Nick Fuentes has this new theory of American national identity, where he basically says that Keith Woods is more American than Jackson, because Keith Woods obeys him and agrees with him, even though he's an Irish guy, and Jackson's descended from the people who came on the Mayflower. It's a really interesting

theory Nick Fuentes

has who's, I think

it's, I don't know, I don't know where that comes from.

What do you think about that?

When it comes to

Is Keith Woods more American?

American nationalism or Australian nationalism?

It's about the loyalty.

It's not just about having the blood.

It's also honoring the blood.

Also, you said something interesting.

You said something interesting.

You said Jackson is on the payroll of the Russians.

What if I told you that's literally not true?

What have I told you that's a lie?

What have I told you that up until this point,

Jackson has never gotten a fucking dime

from Russia or China or any other foreign country?

Would you believe it?

No.

Then I know you're destined to fail.

Because empirically, I know that's true.

So the fact that you're, I know empirically that your worldview is wrong makes me really

confident in Marxism.

Because this is something that's like

I know empirically. I'm not saying that it's impossible for a white

person to actually believe in Marxism.

That's not my argument.

My argument is that

that's a... So why are you making it?

Why are you saying infrared?

You're saying infrared is a rebellion. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait. Inferred is a rebellion of the non-white races because we support multilarity and we support non-white powers such as Russia? How is Russia

not white? Didn't you just say Russia was white?

What happened?

Makes no sense.

I didn't say

that, no, no. I'm not saying

that because you support Russia, that's

what it is.

But the overarching worldview is the worldview of, as I said, the mongrelized slave, as you identified, bread is all that matters.

All that matters is being part of the international politics.

And we should unite together and mix the blood together of the international communist states. We should unite together

and mix the blood together of all

of our peoples and arise up against the capitalists.

People should be allowed to mix if

it makes sense to them if it's what they want to do.

I have nothing against it. You're

saying that people shouldn't be allowed to do that

even if they want to and it feels like it makes sense to them in the soviet union people were allowed to mix did most people do it no did a significant minority do it maybe and it led to a great new culture and civilization the thing is you can speak you you Hitlerites have been speculating about communism

is the flattening. Listen, we have actual

communist states to go off of now in history. Let's check.

Is there a single communist state in history that fulfills the definition of what you're talking about?

I went to Moscow. I looked at the Moscow

Metro. I looked at the beautiful artifacts of the Soviet Union. I looked at how great the legacy of that

and that culture was. I didn't see the things you guys were warning about when it comes to communism. I saw the

opposite. I saw human excellency at its finest. In China,

it's even to a greater extent, actually. North Korea, I'm sure as well. Despite state repression of

its political expression, Russian racism still retains a certain amount of strength and white people enjoy fucking each other and marrying each other. So we will continue on despite the lack of ideological support. Wait, hold on. If white people want to marry each other, what's the issue? Like why, who says we have anything against that? You think we

actually want to force people to mix if they don't

want to? No, but the problem

is, is creating this

mongrelized race within

our countries. You mean America, you mean

you're talking about Americans.

But then, but then it's then alienated from, you're talking about Americans. But then alienated from...

You're talking about the so-called Amerimuth.

I'll tell you why.

Because, listen, in a lot of rural America,

white, black, and Native American and Latino

live in a degree of proximity,

their workplaces, they're where they live, they go to the same places to eat, the same schools. And because of that shared environment, they mix together and they have kids and they... It's disgusting. Yeah, well, that's why you're an anti-American. I don't give a shit what you have to say

about my country, because that's fundamental

to what America is. It's

fundamental.

It was actually illegal in the United States.

It's like the 1950s.

I don't care about

what people who lived three 300 years ago thought about

American people would be horrified by what has become

I'm pretty sure if I show George Washington a computer he would shit his pants

it's like we shouldn't you're, that was a totally different context.

Okay, the fundamental purport of America was that we are not going to be a European nation, but a new civilization.

Don't say we, talking about America.

There's no...

Absolutely, I'm an American.

Absolutely, I'm an American. Absolutely, I'm an American.

You're an American, then America means nothing.

That's exactly what America

has always meant to you, Anglos. Nothing.

But it's that nothing we've always

fucking stood on, and look where it's gotten us.

Yeah, America is nothing to you guys, because we're a future-oriented civilization that doesn't look to precedent to justify ourselves.

We say, this is what we believe.

This is our destination.

And God willing, we'll fucking get there.

And that's always been the American way.

And you guys have never approved of it.

Nobody cares. That's why the first

Americans decided to flip you guys off,

say fuck the British, and

create their own nation looking westward.

Yeah, like Puritan Anglos.

Exactly.

Puritans

who on a

religious

basin, on the

basis of

religious mission

said the

European continent

was corrupt.

England

was corrupt

land and

corrupt soil.

We will

build a new

pure, righteous life

here in a new land and a new

civilization. And they had no idea.

They had no idea

what the outcome would be. All of our major

cities, a lot of our major states

were named after the indigenous people

that were here.

We look to them as spiritual guides

to build a new

grand civilization.

One that is not...

White race war against them,

subjugated to them

and built a white supremacist

the state.

And then they race war against the Mexicans.

Americans.

Expended Westwood and created the most

calculation in the history on the

basis of racism.

On the basis of racial

domination. Americans,icans of european descent are

europeans in the same exact way that any other people who came from some continent to another

and morphed and changed into

a completely different type of people

you can't reduce them to that

ancestor we all come from God knows

where around the world Americans who came

from Europe came here to be Americans

they didn't come here to still be Europeans, but to be Americans. We are Americans here. We're not Europeans. I'm an American before I'm Lebanese. My parents came from Lebanon when they were children, sure. But I'm here now. I live for this country.

I die for this country.

I am American and I'm fully here for America.

You don't believe in the American idea.

That's fine.

That's fine.

But my...

Even the Jewish subverted version of the American idea where all the mongrel slave was bred together into this good little goy population.

Like the Soviet Union, which was a slave state according to you?

Soviet Union was nowhere near as bad as what the fucking, what America has become.

You don't think Soviets were mixed?

Yeah, but not to the extent of what we're seeing in America now.

Really? Because in the border states of the Soviet Union, where Russian speakers were with, you know, Mongols and

Tatars, they mixed together.

In the core, in a heart, like the

big population centers

remain pretty white, you know.

Have you been to Moscow? You think Moscow is not

diverse? It's more diverse than

anywhere in America. Of course it's different. It is now.

Extremely diverse. A lot of that

migration occurred after

the collapse of the Soviet Union. You don't

think in the Soviet Union people from

all over were coming to the capital city

to mix together. Of course.

Look, look, it's just, you don't understand.

What's your point?

I can sort of level with you because I can't see Australia ever being a great nation.

But your mentality is like completely

antithetical to what makes nations

big, large, and great.

Okay? Soviet Union

was a big, large, great

nation, great civilization.

I want the same for America.

I don't want my country to be balconized by shitty little small ethnicities. I want the same for America. I don't want my country to be

balconized by shitty little small ethnicities. I want us to be one unified great

American nation. You are in Australia, a country with 30 million people. The majority of

that, I don't know what to call it a continent, I don't know what the fuck it is, that island

is totally unpopulated.

It's totally inhospitable.

You guys are basically just coasting off

I don't know what you're doing,

but if you ever want a chance

to be a great people and be a great nation, this is probably not the direction you want to be going in.

We absolutely need to reestablish white rule if we ever want to turn, if we want to terraform the outback and engage in a great.

You know, listen, I've seen some of the things

you say. You basically believe in a

white supremacist NATO or

something. If you were

ever in charge of Australia,

if NATO was racist, I would support it.

I mean, the problem is that it's not racist.

And I don't know how it's in the interest

of the white Australians to eat a fat nuke from China and North Korea. Because that's what's

going to happen if you all start antagonizing your neighbors. You're going to eat a fat new

and that's going to be the end of it.

No more kangaroos, no more nothing.

They're not going to do that.

China will nuke the shit out of Australia if you dare ever threaten their sovereignty.

And I don't know if that's a hill you should be dying on, to be honest.

Like, why should Australians die

for America's...

How are we going to threaten China sovereignty, but not develop our

nuclear program? How could we ever get powerful enough

to threaten their sovereignty without...

Because they're going to do it, because

they're going to say these motherfuckers are letting

America, you know, use them as a base. Fuck them. Yeah. going to do it because they're going to say these motherfuckers are letting America

use them as a base, fuck them.

You're going to eat a fat nuke for no

reason. If you literally just stay out of

China's business and stay away.

If you literally just said fuck NATO and fuck

the US Empire, you would never

catch... Because there's 7,000 American nukes pointed at them.

It's just a stupid talking about it.

Well, y'all are going to eat a nuke if you keep going down this path.

I would be worried.

Y'all are going to eat a fat nuke.

That's what's going to happen.

No.

I know what's going to happen because I'll call my Chinese friends and tell them to do it myself.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.

I mean, if they, if they, if they, I would be so surprised.

It's not a realistic, it's not a realistic interpretation of how a military

No, no, no. I mean, realistically, World War

3, Australia is eating a fat

nuke, I promise. If there's ever a nuclear

war that's going to happen on planet

Earth, Australia will

eat a fat nuke all because they decided

to sacrifice their people to the global

American empire. Pretty cucked.

There won't be a nuke.

Y'all going to eat a nuke. You guys are going to eat a nuke.

Take your country back or you're going to eat a nuke. Take your country back or you're going to

eat a nuke. That should be your campaign slogan.

It's really all you need.

Take your country back or

you're going to eat a nuke.

And for what?

For white people, for the white race? Come on. This is nonsense.

Live in reality. Live in reality.

Live in reality.

Y'all don't want those nukes.

You don't want to smoke.

You don't want those nukes.

I don't...

I'm not a necessarily a World War III enjoyer.

All I'm saying is I want to have a country for my own people.

But you, but you're one of those people that believes.

I mean, they're going to either nuke me.

I was going to nuke me because I want white Australia.

Don't you believe the white man should rule the world by all means?

Is not what you believe?

No, I think we should take back control of our countries

and then we'll just naturally be assertive and powerful.

The most powerful force in the world politically,

and so world history has been around our will.

All the people that you're classifying as non-white for whatever reason,

like they don't want to live under slavery.

So they're going to probably nuke you before they live under slavery.

They're not going to, no one is going to nuke a unified Western Empire when we have 7,000 plus nukes.

They have more.

No one's going to nuke us.

They have more.

Who cares?

If the nukes go in either direction, then we're all fucked.

Yeah, that's the road.

That's the road we're on.

That's the road we're on.

And that's the thing.

And it's like, why do Australians want that?

Why do I want global nuclear war?

Yeah.

That's what you're saying.

I don't want global nuclear war.

Listen, I know you guys like Tomaka.

Oh, you guys are multipolarity, brown uprising.

It's like, listen, you either play ball with this multipolarity thing or you all going to eat a fat nuke.

And yeah, we'll all eat nukes.

I don't,

I don't believe in like trying to invade China and I don't think that's feasible.

Well, put your money where your mouth is.

All I'm saying is,

is that I want whites to get back control of our own countries to,

and we should be in a military alliance with one another.

We should have racial rules which are one another.

And then we should just assert our interests in the world,

but we're not going to provoke unnecessary wars. It's so stupid because it's like white people,

like you're picking and choosing what white people are.

Like you believe that there's these immutable characteristics of white people,

but it's like,

why is liberal universalism also something that comes from white people?

Like, that's just as much part of your people as whatever else you're talking about and my understanding of that is it's a class struggle i don't believe in this you know racism white people are inherently this or inherently that by the way that's why i'm not i'm not a third worldist i'm not a complex i'm not a third worldist who I'm not a third worldist. I'm not a third world is

I'm not a third world's

evil is white people and that

white people are Yucubi and snow monkeys

who all need to be exterminated with nuclear

weapons to save the world. I don't believe

that because I believe in class struggle. I believe

that the white working classes and the

Western working classes, basically that the reason why Western imperialism is able to be sustained

is because it's a strategy to contain the working classes at home. And that's why I support sovereign movements. I support people wanting to take back their sovereignty to leave NATO, to leave the EU, to, you know, make right by their history, by basically waging the class struggle that has never ended.

It's just that one side forgot that it was happening, the working class.

The capitalist class never stopped fighting that struggle, by the way.

You know, all I want is for the proletarian class to gain supremacy in every country and every nation, whether they're

white or non-white. And I don't know what's so wrong with that. You say they're just going to lead

to all the differences being eliminated and it's just, you know, it's what the Nazis said. Oh, it's just going to lead to all the differences being eliminated and it's what the Nazis said. Oh, it's just going to be flattening of everything. But we have communist states to show that's not what happens. So I don't understand. It just kind of seems like. You just said yourself that we in our countries, because of mass immigration and so on, that we have to create a non-racial proletarian identity where it's this multi-racial proletary identity.

Is it really that y'all just don't even want to look a little bit Indian? Is that what it is?

Of course not. That would be horrifying. That's okay. Listen, you got to, for whatever reason, fate has brought you together. For whatever reason, fate has white australians together with these non-white

people take responsibility for it and deal with it yeah i'm taking responsibility for it and i

want them removed oh you're not you're not listen at the end of the day nobody's forcing anybody to marry people they don't want to marry.

Nobody's forcing you to have kids with people you don't want to have kids.

Why don't you just let nature take its course?

I mean, it's not nature technically, but organically.

It's not nature taking its course.

It is an institutionally facilitated agenda to bring in, engage in mass demographic change against the democratic will, against the common good.

See, the thing is every developed, every developed country on Earth, every established institution with this anti-racist, anti-white ideology.

That's just to stoke racial tension.

That's a mission of racial division.

It's not just to strike racial tension.

It is to systematically undermine the white majority, its interest, its power, its self-identity, and so on, because it is the greatest threat to the system. No. No, it's not. No, no, no, no. If you are a foreign occupational elite, or if you are elites that come from a

particular nation, but you're a traitor and you're allied to either your own private interests

or international finance or whatever the case may be, then the greatest threat to you politically

is political rivals that could rise on the basis of the loyalty of the actual people of that country, of the majority people, their loyalties, their interests and so on.

Because what people have become accustomed to in the current political order, and this is true in Australia,

in the United States and so on, is that the political elite really don't have any loyalty to the people.

And so a lot of people are very apolitical and they're demoralized and so on.

They see the congressional political system as basically there's no one that's actually standing up for me.

And if someone

even kind of pretends to

an officer of the pretense that they are, even though they're

frauds, like Trump or something, then they'll get

you know, then you get populism.

Listen, here's the issue with what you're talking about. The point

is, the point is, so they are attacked,

the reason why they're attacking my people,

they're afraid. They're afraid of my people.

The reason what you're saying, they're saying,

they actually had loyalty to them, standing

up to the globalists,

the fucking, all right, let me know when you're done.

Whatever you want to call them, and actually going after them politically and trying to assert a different kind of political power.

That's what they're afraid of.

Listen, rhetorically, you're saying my people, our people, but you're not specifying that you're referring to this you know this nebulous globalist

completely abstract idea of a global white race rather than the very specific white australia

hold on oh shut up i didn't arby rather than the very specific you did actually

you told me a few times history of the Australian people, and in particular, those people are divided into classes, the majority of whom are the Australian working classes. So when you're saying us, we the people, you know, it's not, you're, you're not

specifying that what you're actually, because this is how you deceive the workers. Because when

workers here, there's the, oh, our people, like our people who work in the same way and live in the

same way and feed ourselves in this way and live this

kind of way of life or whatever, all of which has

an economic foundation,

you're meaning to say some metaphysical

notion of the white race that literally

applies to some random white

expat living in like Thailand or something.

It's cosmopolitanism. You have a

cosmopolitan. Your view is

globalist and cosmopolitan.

I mean, it's also, you could say, everything you could

say as a metaphysical foundation,

but it is material. I mean,

race, blood,

is this a material fact?

It's not just some abstract woo-woo concept.

Yeah, but blood, the sustenance of blood is labor.

Without labor, blood dries up.

That's the truth.

So here's the thing.

Australia, the number one thing, the number one thing,

the number one controlled

opposition. Listen, I mean, this is just obvious,

but it's a banal cliche. The number one

you're being a reductionist, as I've said many

times. I'm not being a reductionist. I'm talking

about the material foundation of what you're reductionist about human nature'm not being a reductionist. I'm talking about the material foundation

of what you're a reductionist about human nature.

You're a reductionist about what is.

No, no, no.

The material foundation, the material foundation

of a nation, as Stalin

wisely pointed out, is a shared

economic mode of production.

When one nation has a very specific...

The actual fucking people that make up

what a nation is.

The people...

Regardless of what they do

in their economic relations.

It's the people...

It can change economic relations, but there's a people. No, yes. It's about the people. It's the people in their economic relations it's the people you can change economic relations

there's a people no yes it's the people it's the people entering into very specific relationships

of production and nature in order to actually support their existence it's about culture

and how does culture where does culture come from support their existence. It's about culture.

And how does, where does culture come from?

Work.

Culture comes from work.

From how people survive.

How they feed themselves,

call themselves.

All major art.

Where do you think art

comes from? High culture comes from

actually not having to work and being

able to do things for their own sake.

You think artists, you think artists

don't have to work?

I don't have to work in the

conventional. But they're still working. They're still putting effort I don't have to work in the conventional sense.

But they're still working.

They're still putting effort to do things that otherwise would not be there by a given.

Work is the foundation of everything.

There's a qualitative distinction.

No, the point is. The point is...

And some guy driving Uber, some guy driving a fucking truck, some guy digging a hole.

Anyone can dig a fucking hole.

Not anyone can paint a fucking Mona Lisa.

Right?

Yeah.

It's a complete distinction between the work done by a jeans.

The work done by someone guy digging a fucking hole

done the work done by someone who is

participating in culture

participating in greatness and someone

who is just

but that guy relies on the

that guy relies on the foundation

of people doing that menial work.

There's an interchangeable hole digger.

There is an interchangeable Da Vinci or Michelangelo or whatever.

Listen, this is why you have an anti-worker view.

Because it's interchangeable only from the relative frame of an actually established historical context where it's not given and it's not interchangeable.

That specific method of production didn't always exist. It exists now.

The working class, the working class is the foundation of the working class is the foundation of all art, all inspiration, all high culture, whatever you want to call it, is derivative from the fundamentals of how people actually. It's the costs above them that really determined the structure of how people actually...

It's the costs above them that really determined the structure of a society.

So you're saying the way of people feed themselves, clothe themselves, put shelter over their heads.

All that is downstream from some artist picking shit out of his ass?

Yes, the higher principles... Nah, shit out of his ass? Yes, the higher principles that

was organized is dependent upon the great work of the artists,

the philosophers, the statesmen, the

inventors. You're lumping in a lot of shit together.

Before there were ever, before there were ever great statesmen, and what they do is they unite people together. That's what they do.

It's called the division of labor. They unite disparate forms of labor together into one complex.

But the way that happens is when different

peoples start trading with each other,

entering into exchange, entering

into an interaction where, unlike

you, they're not saying, I'm inferior or I'm

superior, I'm going to exterminate you, but

actually having their labor come into

contact through exchange.

That creates on...

You're denigrating the fact that

in addition to their being

a brilliance of the individual

who's able to articulate and be

inspired, there is a brilliance

of history. There's an intelligence of the way collectively mankind aggregates and forms into greater societies and civilizations.

And that is not reducible to the work of individual minds.

It's people entering into intercourse economically with one and another in a way that is logical, that follows an intelligence, that follows a pattern, but is not crafted or planned by anyone.

You think civilization was planned?

It's not just

economically.

There's all these other

dimensions

to do you think

the first civilizations

on earth

were planned by someone?

Do you think

the first civilizations

on earth

were consciously

and intentionally

planned by someone?

I mean, if you're talking about there being a kind of collective

will, a kind of collective spirit

that animates the historical

development. It's based on labor.

Everyone participates in it to different

degrees. It's based on work. It's based on work.

It's based on work. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, you got to put F it in. That's kind of

a banal cliche. It's not banal.

Because the thing that separates us

No, because the thing that separates us from animals,

because the thing that separates us from animals is actually labor animals don't engage in labor they engage in instinctual subsistence we actually have to engage in labor we have to sue we have to pay for our existence or a peasant for an animal, yes.

But there's higher functions than that. No, it's not.

The thing that separates us from animals is our capacity to labor and work.

That's what separates us.

To do things...

But all the work is not equal has.

It's qualitative distinctions.

It doesn't matter if you want to draw qualitative distinctions. It doesn't

matter if you want to draw qualitative

distinctions because if we want to

materially talk about what is the

foundation, the foundation is

always the menial, repetitive work

of the working class. That's the foundation.

That's the standard.

If people can rise above that and do more brilliant and genius kinds of experimentation

and whatever, it needs that foundation.

And moreover, if it's ever going to have an actual...

You can only transform because people rise above it

and they can transform.

The only things that have a lasting effect

on history

are the things that can become vulgarized.

Shakespeare is brilliant.

The workers left of their own devices

will just keep doing the same thing forever.

They will not change.

Listen, you are trying to make it seem like... the same thing forever. They will not change. Listen.

You are trying to make it seem like, for example, the Soviet Union was a worker state.

Everyone has these jobs, whatever.

It's just as much a product of the workers society and worker civilization that great inventors and poets and

scientists and engineers can rise

to the top. That's just as much part

of labor in the working class. We're talking

about values. I'm not saying that in the Soviet Union

you're talking about a division of labor.

You're talking about the architect.

Listen, you're talking about the architect. You're talking about the architect. Where your values come from. You're talking about the architect. Listen, you're talking about the architect versus the way your values come from.

Listen, you're talking about the architect versus the worker B argument, right?

The reason there's a division between the architect and the worker is something called the

division of labor.

Communism, there's no division. It's considered part of one complex of society's labor.

And you don't necessarily say the architect is better than the worker. The reason to consider it is that.

That's retarded. Obviously, there is a division. No, there's not a division in the sense that they are alienated from each other.

They all recognize their interdependency.

That's communism.

Recognition of the interdependency of everyone understands this, but there's still a distinction.

No, you don't understand it.

Our society doesn't understand it.

I'll tell you why. Because we treat a Gen Z, Boston, and Mini as the same classification as a job as a farmer or a construction worker or a truck or a guy who actually, you know, is a minor. Qualitatively, we treat these things

are the same, but they're not the same.

So that's why it's not appreciated

how much there's an interdependence,

how much concretely the material foundation.

I agree that value is not appreciated correctly

in our current society, and that like like the and it's specifically about labor

understands value and correct work specifically about labor i have different values no it's about

it's about the quality it is about the um excellence of the particular kind of genius or creativity or or hard work or capacity

that goes into what makes a particular kind of work more or less valuable when you're using these

grand phrases it's like a great phrase it's like a neat drinking chalky milk out of a fancy wine glass it sounds

profound and it sounds lofty and stuff but you have nothing to show for it you have no you have not

demonstrated your ability to actually appreciate what those words are meant to refer

to, all these grand, spiritual,

brilliance, and genius, how could you

possibly understand the root

cause of the genius of Shakespeare

or Da Vinci or great

artists? You're the one that was telling me it was all about

class struggle? I was the one that was telling me it was all about class struggle.

I was the one that was saying...

I am not posturing.

I'm not posturing in making a pretends

to the greatness of geniuses and great men.

I think you have a theory

or, like your class struggle theory

explains everything.

I'm like, you know what?

I don't think there's one

it explains i think human culture and the spirit of the human race is actually more complex than that has

class struggle explains the development of history and the material sense what's wrong with that

what i just said which is did i Did I... Did I... Did I say... Did I claim that this is a reductive frame of class struggle that excludes?

If it's not reductive, then I can dismiss it. I can dismiss it as being authoritative. No, you can't because its recognition and its

acknowledgement is decisive, strategically speaking, for any nation to actually acquire sovereignty.

It's decisive. It's decisive to understand the alignment of different social forces within your society, based on how they make a living, if you're going to be able to maneuver it in the interest of asserting the sovereignty of your people. Australia is not sovereign for a reason. China is sovereign for a reason. Russia is sovereign for a reason. North Korea

is sovereign for a reason. You ever notice this pattern how like the only sovereign countries on

earth are the ones that are Marxist or tangentially related to Marxism somehow. There's a reason for that.

It's not a coincidence.

Well, it's because the liberal capitalist,

American, late international,

have gobbled up the rest of the world.

That's why.

Why is it that the Marxists

were the only ones who were able to resist?

Well, it's obvious the power of the Soviet Union.

But the Soviet Union's gone.

Well, yeah, but then...

Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.

And then obviously, there's China.

And then, you know, obviously they just took some big countries, Soviets.

China had no relations with the Soviet Union after the Sino-Soviet split.

And they said...

Yeah, after.

But they had to fall.

See, Marxism is decisive.

When you understand the laws of history, driving historical change,

you can, when you have knowledge of those laws, you can apply that knowledge in ways that not only allows you to maintain your sovereignty,

but allows you to be at the cutting edge of the development of history which china is today the

Soviet union and collapsed the russians are now being demographically replaced in their own

country they are completely you're talking about gibber the so it's true that true that the Soviet Union... They completely walked from expressing any kind of Russian nationalism.

Oh, boo, boo, who's skinheads in Russia are being jailed? Who gives a fuck?

It's not just skinheads.

Yeah, it's skin...

You know, you don't want to know why they crack down on that dumb Nazi show in Russia.

Immigration movement had hundreds of of thousand people marching in the streets

They cracked down on that stupid Nazi shit for a reason.

They weren't all Nazis.

Whatever.

They cracked down on it because it stokes ethnic tensions.

It compromises the integrity of the

nation, the unity of the nation.

Leads to violence. Asserting the interest of the

Russian people compromises the unity

of the nation. You see how these two things end up being

antagonistic and opposed? No, they don't. Russia

has always, name a single point

in the history of Russia where it wasn't a multi-ethnic civilization.

One point in its history.

It was always a Russian supremacist fucking empire where the Russian people controlled it.

It was, Russian people controlled it,

but it didn't believe

in the racial supremacy

of Russians.

It doesn't matter

if the,

it doesn't matter if they,

I didn't have an ideology

or racial supremacy.

The Zardom of Muscovy

came from the paradigm

of the Mongols

of multi-ethnic governance, of ethnic integration.

You didn't actually declare this rigid identity and then use it to bludgeon everyone else.

You integrate, assimilate, and mix with everyone.

They were mixing with the Tatars.

The Kazakhs literally adopted theack nomadic lifestyle later on under the Romanovs brought these kind of European colonial ideas. And that's why there was this Baltic German aristocracy. And they called it Russian, but it wasn't actually Russian. So that was the Russian

racial supremacy. 90% of the Russians were peasants with no sovereignty at all. Under the Soviet

Union, it was a multi-ethnic empire. It's always been multi-entic the most racist russia has ever been and colonial

was the least russian it's ever been that was the dominance of a germanic baltic aristocracy

the russians had the short end of the stick so forever for the entirety of Russia's history, it's always been multi-ethnic.

But nevertheless, it's not...

But nevertheless, the Russian people now want to assert any kind of distinction and say,

you know what, I don't want to be in a state where if some Russian kid burns

the Quran, you're talking

about, listen, this is like

your CNN. I respect some foreign religion.

Where Moscow is getting filled up

with non-Russian. You're like

CNN. You're like CNN

talking about Navalny being a representative of the Russian people.

It's nonsense.

It's nonsense.

You're telling me that there's no Russians that are concerned about the demographics of Russia getting worse, less

and less white, less and less Russian.

First of all, first of all,

the state, the Russian state,

you don't know shit about Russia.

You don't know shit about Russia.

No, no, no, Putin wouldn't have had to have jailed

the anti-immigration movement

if it didn't have any political power or influence.

Because it was nonsense demagoguery that was feeding off of people's retardation to lead to a collapse of the state.

Nobody wants a civil war in their country.

Russia's territorial integrity.

Oh, that was just retarded.

That's not.

Why should, it is retarded.

I'll tell you why.

Because Russia doesn't want to compromise

its territorial integrity.

And being a multi-ethnic state

means you're a big state.

They don't want to be a tiny shithole

controlled by NATO.o anyway let me

explain something to you the russian state itself has made it their priority to promote population

boost everything they can to have people have kids there's an international problem of developed

countries regardless of their race japan has it the worst to just show kids. There's an international problem of developed countries, regardless

of their race. Japan has it the

worst. It just shows you it's not about race.

Where developed countries,

people are lacking the inspiration to have kids

because having kids is fucking hard and it's a big

not only is it like it's not just

economic burden. People can increasingly not afford it's not just a economic burden people can increasingly

not afford it but people don't people are possessed by a nihilism according to which they don't

understand why they should sacrifice so much of their freedom and all this stuff to have kids and it's a big

existential problem the developed world is facing,

okay?

It's not because it's a genocide or whatever.

It's an existential problem the world is facing.

Why should we have kids

when we have everything handed to us,

the maximum amount of pleasure and freedom

at our disposal? Why should we should we why should i'm a bachelor

you know i can go um i can get all these women go on yachts all this stuff why should i settle down and have a kid and do that you know

so this is an existential problem we're facing. It's a spiritual

problem.

And to say that that's because of...

To say that's because of immigration is nonsense.

Immigrants may have more kids. Because people aren't

valuing the blood. No, it's not

because people aren't... All my friends,

in my Nazi crew, they're all having kids.

Yeah, because it's an ideological thing. That's fine.

But the majority of...

They value the blood, exactly.

People in my community have kids, too.

We value humanity. So people in my community have kids as well.

The white people in my community as kids as well, the white people in my community

as well. But anyway, look,

people need the inspiration to have kids.

See, it's kind of stupid. Like, I'm just going to have kids

because I need to populate the white race. It's more

I need to have kids because i understand the

value of committing myself to reproducing life that's a proletarian value the etymology of the

word proletariat comes from those who reproduce, those who reproduce through labor,

those who reproduce by virtue of their existence.

Only dictatorships of the proletariat, in my view,

could solve this problem.

Civilization based on the guidance and the leadership of the proletariat.

The distinction between you and I is you see all reproduction as of an equivalent value, whereas I see, no, I see a distinction.

Human reproduction.

A higher and lower.

Human reproduction.

I see, I see as value

I think this is a difference

white people stop breeding

if East Asian stop breeding

and we just had

infinity blacks

we'd go back to

permanent stone age

like it would be horrifying

it would be the end of humanity.

You know, I actually believe

in God and I'm pro-humanity, so I don't

believe this nonsense you're talking about.

You can have these prejudices about

black people. I know it's necessary for you.

And the minute anyone calls out these

prejudices... Realism. It's not realism. It's

basically just fucking ignorance where you just say, I know everything about Africa because that black

guy on the street, I don't like him. It's fucking stupid, all right? But anyway, look, you hate humanity.

Your hatred of black people is

self-hatred, by the way. I want you to know that.

When you racially hate people,

it's racial self-hatred. Anyone who's

racially self-confident hate them.

He's acknowledging qualitative distinctions. I just see one

people is having a higher capacity.

You just is what it is. You know why I feel bad for you? Your sense of see one people is having a higher capacity and one who's having a lower capacity.

You just is what it is.

You know why I feel bad for you?

Your sense of racial existence

depends on putting others down.

That's not true for anyone else.

For other people,

they have a sense of racial existence

that's just based on these these are my family values,

this is my code of honor, this is my sense of honor, I'm going to stand on it, I'm going to stand

on that history. And it's like a positive thing. It's not just based on like fuck others and not

being others, you know, and white people would be able to have that thing

that everyone else is able to have if they were actually able to participate in history and the

unfinished business of history.

Participating history.

The rest of you are struggling to participate in history.

Let me specify what that means.

History is us.

You don't let me finish.

When they actually are able to participate in the unfinished history of the class struggle that they're in right now. Because the truth is,

you know, this is not to denigrate anyone, but I think about this all the time. On the

civilizational time scale, actually European civilization is pretty recent when you think about

it. It's like China, thousands of years it's existed.

You know, the Mesopotam, it's thousands and thousands of years.

Yeah, created by Aryans.

Europe, you know, European, what we call European civilization, this combination of the Romans with all these, they were called the barbarians,

the Gauls, and the Germans.

You know, this is actually really recent, and the

golden age of European history,

it's like taking off in the 1500s,

where it's really coming to the fore.

And by the time my country, the United States,

is founded, look at

Europe, it's all fractured and divided

into all these micro-states,

almost like it's in a state of

a primitive state, civilizationally,

still.

In a way, it was a creative, it's kind of the

problem with China by having this massive centralized creative, it's kind of the problem with China by having this massive centralized state.

It's kind of almost like slowed down the cultural development.

Europe had the advantage of having this kind of competitive.

Every civilization outside of Europe during that exact same time amalgamated into a huge...

Historians of history identify the massive centralization of a civilization in under one massive political empire as the conclusion of a civilizational cycle

but that the early phase is always

that was true before the

Mongols. That was true before

the Mongols. It's what Ibn Khaldun

described, Asabia

or whatever. But after the Mongols

the notion of a permanent universal land empire and this kind of mantle of universal statehood starts to develop where even dynasties can come and go.

Basically, like China had no history for thousands of years.

It was just in this stasis until... No, China...

China had history...

...Europeans showed up and dragged East Asia back into history.

China had history for 5,000 years.

Even Napoleon said... Napoleon Bonaparte said this. He said, compared to the rest of the world, Europe is a molehill.

You know, China's got what, at the time, 600 million people live in China.

When that, China awakens, it's going to change the whole fucking world.

Napoleon knew that.

He knew that.

And because Europe, you're Europe, you know, Europe still waiting for China to actually do anything new.

Europe is still struggling to find itself as far as what it is. It seems like Europe, the real civilization in Europe, basically Franco-Germania. It's France.

English civilization came from France. France are just civilized Germans. The Germans resisted

the French colonization. It's a whole disaster. It's a whole mess. But you notice every time you get into the particularities of it and you start fucking

thinking about it, the white nationalist shit sounds retarded.

Because it's just not like specific enough.

And it's not actually talking about the particulars of what drives history and specificity.

It's not this stupid fucking idea of, oh, it's just like the race.

Listen, this is nonsense.

Yeah, the quality of a people.

The integrity of history.

The integrity of history.

Termines the quality of history. The integrity of history is about responding to events, to events, in a way that reaffirms the meaningfulness of your past and your sense of a shared future okay and that is something that's suspended in struggle

a struggle for justice for honor for all the things we hold sacred as human beings for what is

sacred all the great prophets

in history the biblical prophets

I don't know if you're a Christian I apply that

to white nationalism what you just said I mean

you can't you can't because even

you white even you white nationalists

have this demonic thing where you're basically like

yeah we know it's not

fair, but might is right. And it's like,

you know, you have this thing

where it's like, yeah, we are going to masquer you because we

can. You don't care about honor. You don't care about

integrity. You don't care about

integrity. You don't care about morals. Civilization. You just have this fucking antisocial,

psychopathic idea that, you know, you're going to exterminate and subjugate and destroy all the brown people.

I wanted to exterminate anybody. I said I wanted to. Come on, come on. We all know what you believe.

Listen, it's clear to me

that there's a, there's somehow a difference between

the need for you to constantly

throw these edgy anti-social

bones at your community and

maintaining this veneer of like

oh, I'm just intellectualizing and it's just like

purely a matter of contemplation

and discussion. It's like, look,

own up to the fact

that your scene is

riling up the lowest and

basest and most demonic

aspects of human

psychology. War

and a fighting spirit.

It's not a fighting spirit. It's not a fighting spirit.

It's a necessary component of asserting oneself in the world.

You know, but what is being fought?

Fight your enemies.

You're not ready to fight your enemies.

No, stop talking about me.

You're not ready to fight your enemies.

Do you have, you're not ready to assert yourself.

You're not fighting for anything. You're just. Or your future't have fighting. You're not fighting for anything.

Or your future for your destiny. You're not, you don't have one. You're not fighting. That's how the world is. Here's the problem.

That's how the world is. You don't, you only get whatever you will actually fight for, what you're willing to do battle for. You don't get, nothing gets given to free in this world. Okay, okay, the problem is, though, it's not a fighting spirit because there's no fighting going on. There's no fighting that's going on. It's coming. All there is is defeatism and spiritual demoralization. The thing you're talking about that's coming is the potential for race riots and civil wars and people killing each other and massacring each other, psych killer clowns on the loose.

But it's ultimately going to lead to a reaffirmation of the status quo who are going to use this chaos as a pretext to suspend all of the hard one

liberties we have which by the way

we're championed by communists in the past for the people

and we're going to be living under actual fascist

dictatorships and you think it's bad now

you're larping this fascism so you want to see some real

fucking fascism real fascism is you're going to be shot in the fucking head okay you're just going to be

executed for if you i mean i don't think you will because by that time you're probably not going to

have the balls to challenge

NATO in any capacity. But even a white nationalist who challenges NATO will be shot in the head.

It's going to be emergency war powers for a World War III. You either support it or you oppose it,

in which case you're going to be utterly exterminated and repressed.

And that's what's coming.

And, you know, everyone has to choose

their side. I chose my side.

I am not going to shill for the establishment

just because... You think the American

government is going to put you in an determent camp

if there's World War II? They're going to try you in a determined camp if there's war with China?

They're going to try to kill me

if we go to war with China.

You know, I'm going to go into hiding.

No, I'm going to go into the mountains and hide.

Are you already preparing?

Because, I mean, it seems like it's a possibility.

I want to ask you about this actually, because, you know, whatever.

The debate has become boring for a while.

We know what each other believes.

I'm curious, what do you think about, because this actually might be interesting, you might

find this interesting.

What do you think about the way in which it seems as though the regime's attitude towards Trump has very much softened and he's kind of being accepted now by the American elite?

My interpretation of this is perhaps there is a growing realism in the American elite that war with China is imminent, or it's an imminent possibility at the very least, and that the American people can't really be corralled to fight successfully underneath Biden, but maybe they could be under Trump because he's obviously

identifies with the patriotic masses. And I know that someone tried to kill him today, obviously,

and I didn't actually hear what you had to say about it, so I don't know what your take on it was.

And it seemed like a freak luck that he wasn't.

But nevertheless, it does seem like a large portion, particularly a lot of the pro-Zionist element and so on for obvious reasons, seem to be softening and warming up to Trump.

And he's flying ahead into polls.

And after what happened today,

I think it's almost dead certainty that he wins the presidency. Do you agree with that assessment? And do you think, do you think war with China actually is like a specter that is causing that reset?

Or is it? is it I've been

I held this position for a long time

I think World War III is inevitable

I don't know if it's going to be nuclear

it is inevitable and there's no one

in this country who's going to convince Americans to fight

in it except Trump nobody else

can do it.

Nobody else is going to go fight a world war for some Republican guy or for Biden.

Only Trump can persuade

the American people to be on board with the war.

So I definitely think that's a reason

why they're all putting their bets

behind him. I don't know what's going on

behind the scenes. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

I mean, people say Trump's unpredictable and he's his own

man. I don't know. Maybe he's playing 60 chess

with them and just lying to them.

I doubt it. Yeah, I don't know.

Trump already has a track record. I don't think these big Zionist donors are going to drop hundreds of millions of dollars in his

campaign while other Zionist donors are pulling hundreds of millions out of Biden's campaign.

All the big donors that move to Trump.

Yes, including Zionists.

So there you have that yeah so so what what's the time scale that you think like when do you think and how how's your like

if you had to kind of predict that kind of escalation scenario, I mean, obviously the trigger would be trying to make an action on Taiwan.

But I saw when Xi Jinping was in Europe, meeting with EU leaders recently, he said, oh, you know, the

Americans are trying to

provoke us into doing

something, but we won't take the bait, which I thought

was interesting. But I don't know what

kind of game he's playing at. Do you see

an action on Taiwan as something

that is imminent like the Chinese.

We're obviously past the debate, but, you know, look, it's all about the chips.

It's all about the chip production.

So why they're trying to bait China into conflict right now is because China is making rapid advances and basically, you know, creating a domestic chip

manufacturing base so that they're not as reliant as Taiwan as they are now. The U.S. considers

that a nightmare scenario just as much because the whole Taiwan thing is about chips. It's all centralized in Taiwan.

So it's in the U.S.'s interest for war to happen sooner rather than later because the longer that

it takes, the more China is going to be able to prepare, not just in terms of chip manufacturing

and production, but other things as well, other kinds of preparation.

So that's why they're trying to bait China.

But everything is about the chips.

The chip production, we don't have it here in the U.S.

We have a chips act.

It was nonsense.

We don't have the capacity to do it china is an extremely

centralized and planned economy and you know what basically what they do is they uh they

marshal the entire productive forces to create these chips.

The whole society is united.

So that's why they're making these rapid advances.

Huawei's already produced smartphones that were domestically made.

But if America hasn't got chip production and basically all the chip production that

they have access to in a war scenario

would mean they'd have to get it out of Korea in Japan

which is obviously precarious under war

It's all from Taiwan. It's all

centered in Taiwan. Yeah but obviously

if Taiwan's getting invaded

you're not going to be getting chips out of Taiwan.

So for the American side, and if the Americans don't have chips, like, wouldn't that

mean they would want to delay a war until they can figure out some alternative?

No, because the longer they wait, the more China is going to be secure on that front, the more China is going to be able to prepare. See, there's a window of opportunity that's starting to close very rapidly. The window of opportunity is related to the war in Ukraine. It's related to what's going on in Palestine. And basically, China is just trying to develop and build more and more of its forces up and wait for the Western bloc to increasingly divide. And most importantly, destabilize economically, most importantly destabilize

economically most importantly

not just politically so that

window of opportunity

I think we'll hammer out peace

with Russia I think when he gets in pretty quickly

well

I'm not sure about that when Trump came to power

last time he was the boss of the world, and everyone saw him that way, and he used that leverage.

You know, after the SMO, how much Russia has been decoupled from the West? I don't think anyone's going to want to listen to Trump.

I think it makes no sense from the American strategic standpoint to not try and tie

things up in Ukraine and then potentially get thrown into a war with the Chinese or even potentially in the

Middle East. It's a non-negotiable for Russia. They're not going to concede any of the territory they want.

Trump has said that he wants to, you know, bring Zelensky and Putin to the table and iron out peace negotiation.

The window is passed, okay?

So Zelensky would have to accept everything taken since the SMO, you're never going to get it back.

Like the Fulal Blas plus Crimea, basically.

Yeah, but it's a lot, the whole Donbass.

So, you know, and I think russia at this point they're making such rapid advances i don't know how much i think maybe this is beyond trump i mean he rhetorically

he says these things.

I don't know,

you know,

I don't know if they can afford to do that.

I see realism prevailing in Washington,

maybe giving a...

But the strategy of realism...

A deal that Putin would take.

They could have used that before the SMO.

But so much has changed now. i don't know if that doctrine is applicable anymore it's a different status quo now like ukraine you know donbas is russia now so anyway we can't turn this into... I think when an American standpoint,

handing it over is not a big deal

in the grand scheme of things.

Well, look, it's not just America.

America has to balance so much with Europe

and their quote-un quote unquote european allies um and you know the the

other thing too is the uh the spiritual and moral defeat of the western ukraine if they

were to concede that, would be so severe.

It existentially doesn't matter.

I mean, pragmatically, we should have never gone in Ukraine, of course, but it's like the end of the Soviet Union.

It's increasingly an irrational system which is losing the credibility and legitimacy

morally speaking for you know to justify its existence and that that is participating in

us going down this road of madness and you know war

yeah i think they can probably swing um it as like the fucking Biden administration

had a retarded policy on Russia

and now Trump's in and we're going to

bring sensibility back to foreign policy

and cut a deal with Putin

pivot to China. I feel like you could sell that.

So I don't think it would be

such a demoralization as you're describing.

I think NATO has strategic interests in Europe, which have been severely compromised because of this SMO.

I think NATO's weapons and Arsenal has been totally, their stockpiles have, you know, been severely depleted.

And I think that Russia, because of how emboldened it's become from Ukraine.

You know, NATO's whole purpose of existing starts to become compromised.

And plus, you know, there's another thing is that it's not just Russia and Ukraine.

It's Russia's assertingness itself as a new poll.

I don't know how much of the damage done economically can be reversed.

Russia has literally nationalized so much.

They've switched so much in terms of their payments.

They've already gotten accustomed and used to a post-U.S. financial situation.

I don't know if Russia can go back

to the pre-SMO world.

Russia is firmly embedded

with China right now.

And nothing will break that

from the West. i agree about with that for like the at least

the immediate period but um i don't think at the same time that uh russia just wants infinite war

like putin's regime no no they don want more war They don't want more war

They want to have

They want to be able to declare victory

Take some spoils and go back to peace

They don't want war

I'm sure

They don't even want

They don't want to have to take all Ukraine

I'm pretty sure they're confident right now

That they're saying they need Zelensky to go

and here's the issue

As soon as Ukrainians get to vote

they'll vote him out

I mean he's got like he's like

approval rating is like 15% or something

Russian West ties

are not going to be repaired in this generation

I mean the fact that Sweden has joined NATO and Finland, Finland especially, Russia is on

high alert.

They're never going to trust the West again.

And they're going to really be on a very defensive, you know, similar to before World War II

even.

That's how they're going to see it

you know they took Finland it's like

enemy is at our gates

isn't like the kind of like

mutual nuclear

gunpoint at one another's head

it kind of brings a certain amount of stability

the issue is it's like the actors in here are not rational actors because the West has this internal problem of populism and economic destabilization, which, you know, it's leading to a lot of turmoil within Western societies.

And they're increasingly, increasingly blaming Russia for it.

And they have blamed Russia for it for decades now.

And they need Russia as that boogeyman.

So it's like the West is not going to let go of its offensive posture toward Russia.

There was a strategy to basically tame Russia to focus everything on China.

That was a neocon strategy they had in the past.

But ultimately, it just wasn't what won out. I think they've found. a neocon strategy they had in the past but ultimately

it just wasn't what won out

I think they fumbled because like say the United States

goes to war with China

like the way that I would see it going

is obviously America would

and its allies would attempt a naval blockade

I don't know if

France would get involved. Britain would be involved.

Obviously, Australia, Japan, etc.

And I think the

Chinese and American naval forces

and air forces would proceed to try

and basically blow each other up. Obviously

there would be a lot of bombings.

Eastern China, in Japan,

we'd get blown to smithereens.

I don't know if we'd have Korea War II.

It's highly possible under that scenario.

I think South Korea is probably fucked under that scenario.

I don't see how the Americans could defend South Korea and be

at war with China at the same time. I don't think it's

logistically possible.

But even if

America was to inflict a

kind of

a lot of brutal consequences on China as a result

of those actions, They can never actually

invade China. So they can never inflict neither side could totally defeat one another. I just see them as

basically destroying each other's naval air forces and exacting a kind of economic pain on one

other. They can see who can, like, withstand.

It's not a rational.

I don't see a rational.

It's not until one political system kind of, like, buckles.

But then under that scenario, like, I could very much foresee the Germans or a few other

European states breaking away

from NATO and

EU towards the kind of

better relations with the Russians

because then America would be in a weak

point where it would be really struggle

to assert itself in both

sides of the world at the same time.

The dependency of the world economy

and world economic growth on China,

especially, is so

it's so beyond the pale

that, you know, it's not a rational strategy.

It's something they find... The trade routes... But if the trade routes are sabotaged through Southeast Asia,

I mean, that really does fuck everything up quite badly for the Chinese.

Yes, but the Chinese have a track record of knowing how to be an

autarkic economy that's

self-reliant. They can

buckle down. But they are, but they are

dependent on certain, you know,

they need to import oil, they need to import.

They're not, they're

definitely, they're integrated now. A lot of their economies

geared towards export, manufacturing for export. So I mean, it's going to be a huge hit. You can't deny it.

Yes, they're integrated highly in the world economy right now, but I'm saying historically, they know how to buckle down and maintain central state authority in times of

economic isolation and autarchy. It's built into their infrastructure to be able to do that. That's

not true for the West. So, you know, what I really see is, I see the possibility of uh i see i see this war as a kind of barbaric irrational

you know breakdown of the system type of war not necessarily a type of war that's going to lead to

like a rational outcome as far as the maintenance of the liberal

world order i see it as a self-destructive one it'll be interesting because if they want

to do this they're going to have to as you said pack up the woke and probably start appealing to

uh patriotic.

They already are. I mean, they already are.

I don't see the woke stuff.

I mean, Star Wars

was one of the latest things.

I just start increasingly,

I mean, even workplaces, I just see

it less and less

being a huge thing in society.

But anyway,

we're way past the

point of debate.

You have fun?

Yeah, I mean,

look, I'll give you this. I'll give you one thing. You actually, I mean, but I debated you twice before, right? But Nick Fuentes and all these people, I mean, even Keith Woods, where are they? You know, where's the debate? It's not there. And I suspect, you know, I suspect the reason is because they don't want

their audiences being exposed to my message. I don't think so. I mean, but whatever, whatever their

purposes are, I don't know why I decided to stick my nose in it, but

it's just kind of fun, I guess.

Why not? Entertainment.

See what you have to say.

I wasn't actually really in the mood because all this shit with Trump

getting shot, it would kind of consume my focus.

Yeah, I mean, but look, it's Saturdays. This is usually a day off I take to spend with my families, and I cleared the whole day for this. So it had to have.

Yeah, well, I said I'd be is. That's why I showed up, man of my word.

Yeah. Well, okay, there's I'd be, is that's why I showed up. Man of my word. Yeah.

Well, okay, there's integrity to that.

You know, and you showed up, you debated.

And, you know, but I really hope one day you see the light and you realize there's something really sinister.

I don't know. there's something sinister and evil

about this racial hatred stuff you know and you know i don't know you said you come from a

working class background is that true or um it's kind of mixed

yeah

well look

you know

we are not hateful people

we believe in defending our strength

and our integrity

but we believe

people can...

I just think I follow things today at a logical conclusion

um

we look

I don't I'm not a bull

I'm not a bullshit or a lot of people are bullshit

is like a lot of people will be like

they'll take

ideas up to a

certain level

and then they don't

want to push

forward into areas

which become more

controversial or

whatever whereas

I'm not a

bullshit or

I'll go

I'll follow an idea

to what's logical

conclusion

and I have authenticity and. And I stand on what I believe openly, proudly, honestly. And when it comes to, I just don't, I just don't agree with this pathologization of hatred. I think hatred is an aspect

of being a human being

and it's about directing your hatred

in the correct manner. Now, you

obviously don't agree with the way in which I direct my hatred

but I just, I don't agree with this idea.

It's always used against race

racism specifically. I see it.

I see it. Oh, hatred is

bad. But then when you direct hatred in non-racist

ways, all of a sudden it becomes so much

more reasonable, apparently,

to people. Well, look, I don't, I don't,

you know, look, even the

Soviets didn't hate the Germans. They kept issuing orders saying, you know look even even the soviets didn't hate the germans they kept issuing orders saying you know

hey don't take revenge out on these guys they may have burned your village and raped all your people

and slaughtered you but still don't take revenge out on them and they forgave them and yeah they had to

pay off awards at the germans but they got off

pretty fine you know when you think about it compared to what they did and i think that was telling

you know i think it's it's it's it's it's it's a matter of hatred is always giving into something lower and you're not able to step out and see the higher perspective which is what I think but I think in particular you know the racial cannibalism the I think I see it as nihilism. You know, I see people going at each other.

Otherwise wouldn't see it as a breakdown of humanity, a breakdown of our spirit, a breakdown of our sense of the integrity of the meaningfulness of the world and you know look i may not be

a total biblical scholar but when i see with the biblical prophets the abrahamic prophets up to jesus

christ you know i have my own prophet christians don't believe in him. But we share all the

prophets that came before mine. And none of them were preaching a message of racial hatred.

They were preaching a message.

Look at when they genocide of the Canaanites.

That was because of religion. that was because they saw them

as wicked due to their paganism and the worship of idols and these false deities and you know i i see

archaeologists finding and i've always heard this before that it actually wasn't really what happened. They didn't

actually literally go and kill everyone. It was more like they destroyed those people as

and they destroyed the idolatrous and pagan idols that characterize those people's, you know, corrupt ways of life and whatever. But it's a matter of interpretation. You know, Jesus wasn't about it. My prophet wasn't. And societies do decay. They do become corrupt, they do become fallen,

dishonor, immorality begins to spread. The solution

to that is not

pride. Whoa.

I didn't want to have to become

necessarily exactly like this,

but I feel forced to

feel backed up against the wall by

historical and social circumstances

and until the future

for my people I'll stay like this

I feel like there's a

you guys enjoy it though I feel like you enjoy

the racial hatred a little don't you enjoy it a little

obviously i enjoy uh how i am i mean i but it's the enjoyment of like the sadism and i feel like there's

something demonic about it's not about sadism it's not about sadism it's about channeling uh an energy which is within

the psyche because it's there to help you in times of crisis in times of war in times of battle

you channel that energy to um to to push you against the enemy, to struggle.

And that's what I'm trying to.

You're struggling and you're fighting all the wrong causes.

You know, that's what I think.

Well, obviously I disagree with that.

I mean, I think there's nothing more important

than securing a future for my future descendants. So many of my ancestors work so hard

and sacrifice so hard for me. I see it as like a, it's a displaced rage which leads to practical

impotence. And the only, and if it ever leads to practical impotence.

And if it ever leads to anything that amounts to anything real, like action-wise,

it's always like racial violence and cannibalism that never leads to actually unifying a nation

into something great?

Well, I mean, obviously, I don't agree with that.

I think a principle of loyalty to one's own people is an essential principle to build a political

movement around if you want to have a political

movement that isn't broken up by special interests or bought off by subversive or foreign interests

or what have you. I think it's a noble thing. There was something more noble than loyalty to blood.

And that so many great men and great wars and great struggles have been fought on those terms throughout history.

But anyway, I'll leave it at that.

Well, yeah, I think... See you later. Yeah, see you. I mean, I'll leave it at that. Well, yeah, I think...

See you later.

Yeah, see you.

I mean, I disagree.

You know, I think it's really about class struggle.

You didn't want any more lectures.

All right.

You know know history is

this is what I really wanted to say

even before this debate it's like

history is about

standing on business

it's actually that simple it's like

there's some there's dishonor

there's people being wrong there's an injustice and to be able to have

the authority and the courage to stand in the face of that and that's really about restoring you know

people's economic honor, their material honor, debt cancellation, cancel the debts.

I mean, this is the message Jesus Christ was preaching.

Cancel the debts for God's sake.

People are being sacrificed on the altar of these debts that just keep on multiplying and multiplying through usury, and they're made out to be guilty for it, and they're not guilty.

It's the creditors who are guilty praying on them.

So that's an example of how history history works it's like you're in a

situation where technically speaking nothing wrong is happening oh yeah you agreed to the terms of usury

so now you're in this debt slavery so there's this gap and there's this whole and meaning historically and

Jesus Christ has to come and restore meaning to it and actually say no, the debt should be

canceled. They should be forgiven. You know, it's it's uh the usury itself was a sin for to from the very

beginning mankind depends upon one and another to reproduce their existence to live eat and breathe and in times when people are

desperate and they need help and they need to take out alone that shouldn't be a source of persecuting

them and torturing them there There should be a recognition, you know, of the need, the need for a society to take care of its weaker and more vulnerable, the elderly, the sick.

You know, workers should recognize the fundamentally interrelated nature of their existence, you know.

But anyway, let's end this Zoom meeting.

And what a great.

What did you guys think?

Great debate.

Just covered the assassination attempt on my show not too long ago.

Yo, what up?

One man army.

If you ever want an interview on my show,

you're more than welcome to come on any time.

We value the same and have to be equally treated.

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

It's like,

why do you want to cook yourself so bad?

You're creating a straw man of what communism is, and you want to believe it so bad.

Why do you want to believe a straw man of the only thing that can emancipate nations and peoples from slavery.

I don't understand

it.

Anyway,

I think I should make a tweet. Yo, Zapatismo, what's up? The Thank you. uh...

uh...

Anyway.

I should make a tweet.

Let's do a tweet. Let's do a tweet.

Let's do a tweet.

Um... I don't know what to tweet about.

God damn.

Give me a sec.

Guys, I have a tweet.

Uh,

I don't know.

I don't know, though though Let me show it to you

Let me show you guys this tweet

Uh all right found it all right

all right

me a sec

so this is what won the competition

tell me if this is the nuclear image

all right

to rile up

or is this the right thing to be

showing right now?

This image.

Should I drop this nuclear bomb now?

You know who says this is ugly as Jackson?

Jackson said this is horrible.

What do you guys think? What's your opinion?

We should save this for another time. It's a nuclear bomb. Well, I told the community to make something, and this is the best. Literally the...

You want to know...

I'm going to name in shame.

I don't give a fuck.

I was so insulted by this that...

Can I show you guys some of the entries?

Because what is going on in this community? All right? Because what is going on in this community, all right?

Because what is going on?

Let me show you how horrible.

Why the...

Yeah, this guy should...

I don't care if he feels bad.

Why the fuck...

What is going on?

What is this moon here?

It's like what?

This really pissed me off.

I asked the community to make this concept.

And it's the worst, worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

I was so disgusted by it.

I hate it.

And we should ban that guy forever, honestly.

But anyway, there's just a lack of common sense on a mass scale.

I don't know what's going on.

I don't know what's going on.

I don't know what's going on. So yeah.

So yeah.

The shooter was a right-winger.

Where can I get information about this?

Um,

where can I get information? Thank you. all of the time all of the time all someone's tagging me

how was the suspect a right winger?

Yankee is in the show Q?

Ah, okay. Hey, what's up, man? What's going on?

Holy shit. It's actually Haas.

How you doing, man? Long time, no C.

Long time, no see, my friend. Long time, no time. Long time no see. So I don't agree with your take on Donald Trump and it being

possibly a false flag.

And I'm going to lay out my reasoning.

Joe Biden,

as we all know,

had an incredibly terrible debate performance, right?

And the reason why was because he's all this fucking had an incredibly terrible debate performance, right?

And the reason why was because he saw his fucking shit.

And everyone saw it.

And I know you saw the response of the donors all changing. Just like, we're not going to support Joe Biden, right?

But the way I see it is, with the media and the donors all turning against him and all that stuff,

there's no reason for there to have to be a false flag in the first place because, well, Joe Pynum is already falling off a cliff metaphorically.

So there didn't need to be some sort of deep state operation to guarantee a Trump victory.

And that's a basis, my thesis, if you will.

All right.

Interesting.

So, would you argue that I'm wrong for having that perspective?

Or do you still think? because I don't know I I know you think shit out you're not you're not stupid I don't know it's I just think it's all speculation right now

I just want to keep a vigil and eye open for the possibility

of what I'm talking about.

But it's

really all speculation right now.

I mean, I definitely agree with that.

It's all definitely speculation.

But if I'm going to have

you know, if I'm going to, you know, have so much weight in one hand and another amount of weight in another, right?

I'm going to assume there's more coming towards the, there's no need for it

simply because

and Trump victory

was already guaranteed

like the way things

because I

I don't just watch

infrared stuff I don't just watch

Jackson all that stuff I listen to all social Democrats. I don't just watch infrared stuff. I don't just watch Jackson and all that stuff. I listen

to all social Democrats. I don't mean

I don't mean to be rude. I'm literally not saying this

just because it's you. If this Vod gets too long,

nobody's going to be able to make, give me

the debate to edit. It's going to be able to make give me the debate to edit it's going to be like 60 gigs we got to wrap it up

sorry man of course no you're fine uh would you prefer if i just swing by on another time you go live

yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely next time.

Yeah, because it's, it is pretty long.

And, you know, it's like fucking 130 here.

And I'm hungry, you know, I gotta eat.

Yeah, of course.

Well, I appreciate you still getting in touch with me, my friends.

I will talk to you another time.

All right.

See you later, man.

So, guys, we'll talk about the shooter later.

You're like, I really don't care that much about it.

Guys, let me ask you something.

Hmm. let me ask you something okay all right guys I really want

Culvers I'm pretty sure they're closed it's fucked up I want to burr I really want Culver's.

I'm pretty sure they're closed.

It's fucked up.

I want a burger.

All right, y'all.

See you next time.

I'm going to Miami soon, by the way.

Probably to debate that one guy, what's his name?

Andrew Wilson, fresh and fit.

Tentatively, it's going to be in four days.

We need to get it more lockdown, though.

Yeah, yeah, I'm going on that, fresh and fit.

Ones if you enjoyed this debate and liked it.

Ones if you like the debate.

Well, if you like it, then clip the shit out of it and make content out of it. Because that all came from the heart

because you know what I thought to myself

I'm like

how should I angle this

should I like rhetoric

and I just realized I was like no I'm not going to prepare

I'm going to read up a little on some australian history to remind

myself of what i already knew and then i'm like i'm just going to speak from the heart in terms of

what i believe you know i'm not doing this thing where i'm going to rhetoric do this rhetoric i'm

saying i'm going to speak from the heart

in terms of what I believe, common sense.

Because, you know, first time I debated

Joel and Keith, I was very intellectual.

And their audience were too retarded to understand

it. So they thought that they

won. And I realized the reason they thought that is because I wasn't simplifying what I was saying and making it common sense. So now I just simplified it and I feel like it's now indisputable, you know, where we stand.

Anyway, guys,

Red Army's the strongest!

See y'all later.