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we got two russians in the chat shot out to the o g s

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septemberichin is internet infrared is an international

live streaming platform you know i'm saying

you might going stupid damn how's it likeate now

is good

right in front of me directly in front of me now

you see jason and ru his video

yeah i heard about it actually i heard about it

i heard about it

he did wast do librate

yeah against caleb

you know i

this is going to be a quick stream so i know if're going to go at it today but i

and i'm saying anybody who comes at inim for red is going to

face the wrath of infraret so anybody trying to comet infrared you know i'm saying

do so whatt your own peril you know i'm saying

because uh

we're not like the left ast you used to

t say does that you know

i have a question

for you what is your

thoughts on jason's recent video

look

it's not really our beef

but

the whole gist of the video from what i'm saying is the stuff about billionaires and millionaires

i don't think we really

fuck heavy on the fock with heavy on the fuck in

millionaires and billionaires are good or

socialism just means more wealth

you know lenin was pretty explicit that that wasn't the case it's also about sacrifice

so i understand that

but i'm also against

people who talk about jason ki settlers and who talk about how

the first world

need to be fleeced

and you know it's like it's like

we're censorus here you know i'm saying but actually we lean more caleb

in spirit

but as far as the i think we are for american socialsm with american characteristics is that

we're not reducing socialism with chinese characteristics or

sourc in which american characteristics

to increasing wealth that isn't our view of it

ok

we like caleb and we fuck with caleb

calebs made the argument that so some chinese characters is defensible just because it's improved its increased wealth

but we think there's way more to it than that that's our position

got guys by the way this is grayson

braceon want you introduce yourself sorry

yeah yes i'm grayson from south carolina

probably the only southern are actually in our group

not going docs myself the rest of it but i

the yemen

yeah i've been here from the beginning to i just haven't gotten on the stream

you know

i'm really have the time to but

been watching some of it

good stuff

with caleb with caleb i think his position is understandable

his positions understd it's not that you know we agree with i just in see where he's coming from i see what he's reacting to

that stuff you know i think those the kind of mistakes that aren't

they aren't deep enough to really warrant

a breaking

from us you know what i mean like we're still firmly in that camp

it's what he's reacting to on the left that i think it's like its you know it's the right

the wrong steps in the right direction

that's how i put it you know yeah you know i mean

i don't even want to disrespect jason and ruhet

but

anyone who comes that inform

my negative angle and shit

we're going to go super siion and shit you know i'm saying but

all i want to say on this point is that

i like caleb style a little bit more than

jason's i like i like how caleb is a

american type of dude

and we do need an america socialsm with american characteristics if we're living in america

otherwise you're just the kind of lark

pose

go guys

on

i' to be right

gin the

so what's somebvery wanesom arctic angel

yeah hey are

hey hay j wad

yeah boy boy yeah no like we still fuck with caleb

is that the thing is like

he's reacting to the ide maybe i don't know if he's

but in my in my mind right he's reacting to this kind of idea of

know socialism is

it tell he what dounk shellping said

you know

poverty isn't social

poverty is and social

uh you know if he's he

he might he's mistaken about you know

you know we should be agins billionaires because right because billionaires

embody corruption they're tied up with the state you know it's not like they're

but you know and we as socials don't nve to make excuses for that that's you know i think that's another point

but uh but we still fup with cabb you know

yeah i think the main thing he's trying to get at is that like a lot of you know a lot of leftists think about uh socialism as just like being this kind of um destructive

thing right so he's he's focusing on the positive aspect of it is like you know an abundance of production

ah

and a wealth i think the problem is like you know billionaires are like parasites off of that abundance that socialism creates

um yeah yeah it' it's w i think

i think it's mainly a political issue the problem with billionaires isn't this kind of moralizing

about

you know this this this

poverty mongering is poverty's virtue

billionaires are actually it's more political it's like billionaires represent

aristocratic type of feudile corruption

that's the you can be a petite bourgeois revolutionary

and it still opposeed the billionaire

but i have au sorr int want to cut this short but i just have a quick question for the guy named ja and chack

ja are you from russia itself

because that will

greatly

make me weigh your

input

better

because

you're saying the valy should be some say oh ok you're not saying so you're saying something

some saying the boby should be put into power due to

the contradictions

but here's my issue with these hypothetical abstractions it's like

who had

i'm so sick of leftists who do think this way

what ought we to do

okay let's just

do it no

you know it's like you're not god you can't you can't just put nevane into power you pres presupposing a power you don't have in the first place

you know

you've got to always understand your you where you are actually

can't just be like bosting like should we or shall o vote for biden is like

completely missing the point

ok

uh it's about what power do you have

right now

and

volunteering for charity

i'm sick of this mentala well come on guys if

if everyone just gets right to it we can a just get things done

it's kind of a

charitable cop

how it

it's a subjectivist one because it doesn't it you know it it

it puts a premium on what's what you ought to do right

it's not just moralistic but it's like

for marxism you know it's not about

subjectively wanting something you know marxists have never

you know ex nilo made revolution i they only led an objective revolution that was already underway you know like in vietnam it's not like you know the communists had you know introduced the anti colonial struggle said they were the ones

were able to connect with the striving of the vietnamese people you know about like once you how do we do that

how do i do that

i'm going on edit

you want me to make it andmbedable

how do i do that

i don't know how to do that we're really know what this

to

thank

valne is an opportunistic popular

i don't even think he's a populist because to mean aval the seems he's

his main appeal are like

liberal youth

right

jason is turning into a grifter sad

i don't know why yeah i don't know why jason's like creating beef with

calo

for no reason like are we all tankies under the same seas right like

i don't understand why you' going after kleb for

why did you make a

if you wanted to invite him for a friendly discussion where you can air out disagreements

then

that would be a lot

more sympathetic from my perspective

but just making this video out of

i sor i'm rambling how do i do them bed

i know what that means

i got no clue

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sorry guys go go ahead

yeah

where did we stop on the chat th

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so acceleration ism

temogen so

that's i think we talk about acceleration on this before right

you know

it's like most of the town

when we're time about accelerations you know like landing acceleration it's not about like making stuff

worse so they get better

you know

i feel like this is the kind of view that you see you know the new york times called accelerations and right wing excel you know accelerationist but that's not really what it's

about you know

i mean i guess it is to some extent right

but i i think the difference is like there's not this a volunteerist aspect where you like you're dedicating yourself to like making it become worse it's more like you already appreciate the transfer transformations of

you know that are happening already objectively this is where things

are going and you're not trying to like retard the process or you know stop the process you may put it this way it's like you know acceleration you know acceleration ism is

and we're not accelerationist you know but acceleration ism is

i i but i think we would agree with this in being at peace

with what is accelerating so to speak you know i think the question that was like

what is the engine

what is the engine of accelerationism and you know you like what is its

object whatever

socialism is one jeff basus has one hundred billion dollars

guess so a lot of people think that because we defend

or now we defend it this is like really volunteers

terms

because we have

appreciate theres something to learn social and chinese characteristics

that were like the

foul

billionaires are good type when we never fok and said that china in china there's debates about billionaires and shit you know there's anti billionais anden there but madjic says

you really think that is really putin's palace

no i saw a video where apparently it seems smll i smell bullshit on that whole thing

apparently putin's palace was actually

a resort

like some kind of hotel resort

so it seems i got bolsted

and

some people found yeah do neval these

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a noon kassan

muths i don't know a this be

drama dude i don't

yeah you know got

yeah go ahead

going back to the china thing billionaires is china' is probably the only country that's capable of reining in billionaires and

they're the like i think recently you

not a billionaire but you know someone has hundreds of who is like copper like corruption like a take twenty p

not jack my i was so you know underway recently just got executed i mean i think china' is really the only country that's even capable

or yeah maybe the only country that's even capable of really reining in

the billionaire class russia cages them but china has i mean china's like produced a lot of articles in the west like china's disappearing

billionaires you know what's up robert and notzaus

howre you do mam

you know a lot of people think that just because something exists this is a really liberal kind of mistake

they think that in action and not doing something means your complicity

and this is a really liberal type of pathologic so just because china is not executing all billionaires

that means

it's ruled by billionaires and it's very shill for billionaires

you're really critiqing china for not doing something

right

it's a completely different thing and that whole goes for the whole thing about market

under chinese socialism as well

the chinese communist party simply just

you know started to stop intervening in the way that it used to

because

when the whole entire chinese economy

was politically

was politically was

dominated

you had the cultural revolution which was turning everything upside down

because there was this common political side in which literally everyone could just

make a fuss out of you know

i

so if it's not political anymore

then

it is what it is

s like i don't know why people are complaining

i

i bet nevani has a nice yeah dude navani

flow

so if i understand this correctly there will be an inherent desire for socis by the masses

there yes jonathan there's always so that's why i always say we live in social

just because

it's so redundant now

you guys have to understand it in the nineteenth century

this idea of some common social reality

where we have some kind of economic interrelation that the state and policies are relevant

towards whatsoever

that was not given

ok even libertarians are so

when libertarians say

you know

we need to decrease taxes because that will benefit us all

the rationality behind their reasoning is

put in socialistic terms

you know

that wasn't always the case guy

a lot of people take socialism for granted

i'm trying to say

to the serve support of on me

i bet they do

bet you any

they're just those type of fucking people

support

whatever the m s m says but they put their own quirky little cup

twist that

well we're you know c mm supports themmi and we do too but we're really quirky and i

silly about it

yeah

this jacobin

'm not i've not kept up with them

i'm not kept up with them jack jackein is going to write about how we need to support democracy in russia because putin's capitalist oligar you know

jackemins the biggest

phrase monger

it's literally the fucking

the biggest even those people on left p pole yesterday we were looking at

that we're talking shit about us

and moralizing oh you don't support workers re it's all this jacobin style

western morals

yeah

jackobs man

you know it's like the dougan video that we watched yesterday they just need to realize that they're not boss

you know it's not ab so we know what they're legislating

you know it's not up for the rest west to to decide

what's better for russia that's up for the russians to decide being

my question for you being is what country are you from

because

i have found it that anglos uniquely

have this idea in their head

that

a word has an absolute meaning across all contexts and across every possible sense

even though words are literally utterances that come from

are innerd

in our fucking fleshly animalistic in oards like

i could be a caveman who you know i'm saying it's just were making sounds

what a fucking word is

it's not that deep u

the thing you're looking for is like this like the

semiotics and shit like

strass and k on and the symbolic and all that kind of stuff

that's the deeper level of meaning but words are the're not that's not reducible to words

i don't know what this autism come sorry i don't want to be discriminatory

but i don't know where this kind of

anglo thing comes from

that we always countering people who think words

have this magical al chemical power to

to contain every possible sense and use of the fucking word

bundled into that word

really silly

just makes no sense

to me

my brain doesn't work that way

maybe that maybe i'm just not and you know

maybe you should use some race science being to explain that on my

bee

i simply do not think that way i just don't

you is

siy

but i don't think anyone like can even like

but i don't think anyone can be a person by actually operating that ways of words are just like reliterally defined by their definition and they have to be logically consistent with that singular definition

it's not how you know language works at all

you know what's weird about that as well is that

what they're basically saying is that the meaning of words

is in fact nothing more than more words

so where does it end are words just words just words just words it's met ine

like

you're always looking for the true meaning and definition of the word

and you're reducing that to another sentence or string of words

so at what point

are words related to actual reality you know

look this stuff up guys because the whole twentieth century was about

including that

weird o guy wichkinstein that in't even like

there's some drama in the russian leftist community about the val

all the greeds not our ally but some leftists claim that w to support the movement

that began after noval these video

that's really interesting cyber i

a that's actually really interesting

i

what i would advise i don't know if you guys care about my advice

go you russians out there

and and

please i'm not expecting you

it's you guys know more than me you know better than me

but if you wanted my advice then the first thing i would say is that i would reck i would say i

the old social democratic model from the twentieth century according to which

this stages the view of liberal democracy is more advanced than after liberal democracy we can have communism

is

historically outdated

so i always thought that the kick for russia's case at least

the whole point should be to surpass putin

to

on

yah

sovereign democracy to go a step further you know

i

to be more putin than putin himself in this

maybe i'm wrong i don't know

i

but

yeah

i think there's also the geopolitical thing

that you got to pay attention

to but i

i think

h yeah that's just my

if we got socialism what are we fighting for

that's just like what stalin was saying when people were like well you have socialsm why should we still work

you know boy boy you should learn from asian

religions and asian philosophy

you know

i

you'll understand that

you'll drop this kind of dogmatic eschatological view

of striving toward a perfect world

and you'll you'll understand how it is you can be have being in the world here and now

and

just because we already have socialism doesn't mean

profound changes don't await us

but

those changes are not individualistically mediated

paid the

the scale at which

change happens is beyond

beyond the individual

perve

i mean this happened historically too i mean this was i mean testified by the experience of twentieth century communism

you know not just between states but within them

people i mean what else what else was nows cultural revolution

you know

being your rights we do use them to communicate but

that presupposes that the meaning of words is deeper than the words themselves because

communication is the communication of something that's not just the word

you're not just communicating a word

communicating something deeper than the word

at one point there has to be material reality being

and that's we can get into psychanalysis but

but i don' want to bore you

how do you

output the

yeah

i know words are important being

but you have to take them in their context

and that's what people in good faith do it's actually normal human beings do it only seems that these anglo intellectuals have a problem

with how i

and how we use words

right

i mean even in all the classics the context like the way in which the word socialism is used is different in different context

you know if you're reading mark and eagles they don't always

a mean the same thing when they say socialism

you know it depends on the context

boy boys so just strive to be better

no i don't think that i don't think i think you should lose this kind of normative better worse

view of things at all

again study a little bit learn a little little bit from asian philosopy

it's about

being don't take being for granted

be actually just be what you are and you'll see how revolutionary it is that's wh i always tell people

guys learn from the iranian revolution

be like homeini

the guy just stood still and the whole world trembled

be what you are in the world will tremble the revolution will happen around

you have to invert your sense of what revolution is

revolution doesn't mean you're forcing change on reality that's a volunteeristic very western individualistic view

sometimes when you actually correctly acquire a relationship to material reality

that in itself

is what's revolutionary

because believe it or not

the world you're taking for granted

the on world you think you know

is latent with contradictions

anywhere i can read i would actually begin with intros to hideger the guy martin ideger

you know actually yeah read read like intort of metaphysics it's a really really easy look it's all stems from a cartesian dog

cartesian dogma because

youyll in the chat you know i guess you're familiar with

with de caar i mean have you

tideger pilled them

house

o well but you know because look look it's very simple very simple

date just a quick rundown decarte

wanted to have certainty so he locked himself in a stove heated room

begins with

cogito are go sm i you know if i you know where i think i am

okay

but he's beginning from thought yougin from thinking

higheger basically just says that there's a being that's deeper than this there's a because the question of being right

and dazi says every

generation as to

reconfigure their relation to being

right you doesn't have like a you doesn't have like an lti like this is being no it's a question it's a question

you know it's not something you can reduce the language that's a cartesan dogmatism

the thing about hydriger that's so powerful is that hes he's a gateway

for westerners to understand and have a bridge toward the east

and maybe vice versa

you know

i

so high degree is very important

to understand infrared crobm

i think you guys should have a route tommention i know it's like

butload maybe we can have streams and we could like talk about it together but

you know honestly i like it's counterintrue because he has a bad rap especially the university but distance yourself from that if you read you'll i think it will become apparent what we're talking about you know

what we're talking about

yeaheh martin heiger arctic angel

i really can't imagine how people can be marxists in the west without being hidergarining

thoughts on going on

we don't really go that far you know when the traditionalism stuff

i'm sure goen on has some interesting things to say

obviously we don't dogmatically follow these

the german can

conservative revolution thinkers

and european traditionalists

but they are these are all people with interesting things to say

i

but they're also worthy of

tik in maxist should know how to

from a philosophical and you know

intellectual

spect

if you're living in the west

you should be like a renaissance type

think

you know

engage with everybody know how to

know where you stand do'll just dismiss them as marx did this marx marxs read and i think courts with with carlyle

thomas carlyle yeah carighth you have to you have to be able to you know

have discourse with these people or mayb not discourse but you have to know them

and sometimes it can be enlightening and we use a lot of duginos concepts i don't think we're

i don't really care what they call us i don't think we're doings per se but i mean yeah a lot of stuff is useful

you know yeah

yet when on became a sufi he did

he moved to egypt yet he moved to egypt and he became he converted to islam became a suf

what would be a proper practice be

i think my issue with practice the word practice is that it's a can to the catholic notion of good work

practice just means

with our action

we have to fulfill some

standard of the good

i think all this boils down to something that in the nineteenth century was called athetic

and we need aesthetic revolution

in marxism

clarify this kind of stuff

because

practice as it stands in the west is a volunteeristic concept

not a materials

to oluncers

gerker

i

gkirkaran my fault

says why does martin have a bad repnue it's because look it's because he was

formally yet well it's yet he was formally engaged with

he wn't engaged with right he was a nazi and he was

active in what i think he dedicated one of his books to usur and then all of a sudden you're moved and youre nazis and just stuff like that but the thing is

you can excuse not not excuse no excuse right but

you can see where hideger went wrong yeah right and you can just dismiss a he says an intro of metaphs if you read that book and i think it's a good to start

he says we germans were between the pincers

soviet russia nihiliism

western civilization niialsm

we discovered being but you know he didn't get this

you didn't get this

was in the soviet union where the survived right this is what intalinis'm significance forus is he's another

thing about high degree

people overlook

hihdeger's entire evaluation

of the soviet

see the significance of the soviet union and marxism and communism

came from his reading of lucox

hideger was profoundly influenced

but also kind of terrified of lucox's the history of class conscience

and his work being in time was in part of response

that work by luka

but i think in my view i think in our view as well

lucox's book

was completely anti feticle to the achievement of bolshvis

bluecox book bundled together

a lot of prejudices of contianized

the second international box

this is why lucox rejects angles dialectics of nature

so in a sense high deger inadvertently was actually returning to mock

and saving it from

people like luka

who were

i

i gave haz

yeah needs you

weld probably should do a video like that right it's just beceoe are tough to me

sreamings we' put in our substack probably too right

yeah yeah we we'll feell it that's how it works

definitely

aright

what's the topic of this stream

i

we're just going to have a quick

stream you know it's not going to be that long

and we're just going to

s'll we have some stuff lined up i think

explain volunteerism versus materialism well according to the volunteers you that the word what is to be done is basically like w i'm sitting here what kind of charity should i go out and be doing

but the materialist view is ontological it's actually a question of what is being in the first place

what am i doing right now

and the real political struggles that are happening are are around the fact that this is not

a given

right

don't assume

this is the problem with volunterism

with volunteerism you say i'm here

i know what i am i know what it's going on

what should i do what direction do i go in

but you're makeing taking a lot of things for granted you're taking being for granted

right

the reason thes politics guys isn't because people woke up one day and decided that they want to intervene in reality

it's because there's a conflict over reality itself and what is reality

so

that's where the revolution actually is happening it's not happening

you know because

it's you know guys there's a problem with american technocratic pragmatism

and what i mean by that is that i know it's more phrases

what i mean by that

is that people assume that communism means i woke up on the wrong side of the or right side of the bed one day

and i said all around the world i see problems

so how do i solve these problems and i'm going to use communism to solve the problems that exist in the world

that's

completely a technocratic

the

pragmatic view of what comut in this philosophical sense

of communism

and i

it's completely

hop scotching over the necessary

engagement with german idealism

stuff

which is i think that

i'm i'm sorry i didn't interrupt

i i think that um

the way

that it's easier maybe to swallow what we're saying especially with like the object of nw socialis which i know we've talked about a one million times but think about socialism the way you do about capitalism

you a most you are smart enough to not use this stuff a is just an ideology

right

you see it is just you know use whatever word modeve production

economic systemserb now what you call it but something that's oubjective it's not just premised on your ideas

that's what socialism

in the objective sense you can be subjectively

right striving for clarifying the world

in light of this fact

but it's not something that precedes this

actual objectivity you know like it doesn't if we say we're living in socialism it doesn't mean that marxist rule us

it doesn't mean that

it just means that although you know

but it just means that it means that there' is an objectivity that precedes your own

once you know and doesn't have to be subjectively socialistic you know

hold on

h guys i don't meeed to cut this short

this conversation

but we did get a hater

for our last video the other day

and i want the hater to be put on the

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we're going to put this heater on the spotlight because you know what i'm saying

i

our rule from now every all the biggest assignments we get

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sounds like you're an anonymous pussy bitch loser

and we're actually putting ourselves out here

and you commented on our video which incriminates you as a bigger loser than us

because

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who you found and we're actually doing the work

you're a fucking loser bach and you're

what is let me rate his profile

what is this swamp thing we've got going on

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i'm not impressed with this profile picture h

i can't even see it

i can't even see it

this is a youtube channel no fucking shit it is its

you call us losers

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by the way as we do have a twitch

we do have a twitch

but we didn't know if we should ever stream on thitch because you guys told us you like you tob better

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i'm excited

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and i see the face behind the

keyboard nots and every time you type on that keyboard

i

can you exume a certain energy and i can smell this energy of the real life human being

you guys

that's true for you as in a chat as well

but i see you

and you're fine to me

you know i have hope and faith in

but these bits made mother focus talking all the shit infrared i can

can smell their fear you know i'm saying

shaming haters exactly always going to shame the fucking hater

do it's full of fucking rad libs that have to be exposed

you really think we should

house literally smells like poo poo

i do because i showered yesterday and shower you

i you stream on twitch we can definitely imbed your video

we need viewers you know if we have this many viewers on twitch definitely will do it

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neat what were you doing on twitch

he was streaming on twits

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you to be do you union army bot

n wait should we i don't know

union army bolls asking a pretty good question i think start is up top what do you think describing objective social

as corporatism to avoid confusing people

we well well

you can look at the way i think about it because it shows that the pageantry of free markets and free enterprise and stuff

is a sham there's already if you want the infrastructure

it not just about infrastructure there's already the ability to do these things

but there

scaring you out it's not like you need to undergo

all this process you know

it it's a political issue it's a political issue

and objective and cultural

an objective socialism isn't corporatism right that's just that's like maybe the subjective reflection of it and united states

but that's not the essence of it like that's the difference between the subjective and the objective

sorry but the reason it's so confusing is because that

corporatism was the twentieth century primitive accumulation

i always say the twentieth century was the socialis

right

corporatism was the twentieth century form of

in the west in the west you know

people w the is some thing

you know for me islam is like

phenomenal

which streamer need i want to see how they reacted i'm really curious

i

when i think of like it's almost like the russian type of you know how russians have the kind of a

they put is gena after some like phenomena like

eshbstiner and the

what else

ctiona

yeah

that's how i think of is'm in my brain in my head i think of isn'm that way i think ofs like a kind of phenomenon

i don't think of it as like a discreet doctrine i think it of a like

it's a socialism you know

i don't know that's how i think of

neon destroyed you in his last vid

which is nice

as we expose this bit jazz the one we saw

be was like all of the the video did was so so bad it

it wasn't bunny no he didn't doude we responded to this in full

fear i' n respond to have this in full

every bit of it

how can you talk about the essence of something is

void because it's that the whole point of materialism

void you know what's crazy

do you know what the word material

the origins of that word eediminologically is

material

content in essence all shae share the same connotation and meaning

material and material essence are kind of inter exchangeable

philosophy

for philosophy the essence is actually just referring to more ideas

united it's idealism right

but a real essence real content

is basically what is material about some

material isn't the same as substantial

in the anglo metaphysics and'm not hating on anglles you i'm just talking historically

materialism refers to substance

but materialism

doesn't actually mean substance

she don't watch it oh man

ok s i didn't know that

don't say fucking destroyed us

his thirty second

flip

didn't destroy us to

but don't apologize

marxism mercealsm

i i don't i didn't uh i'm i'm not familiar with what that's

see guys this why we don't stream on twitches because we only have three followers

you know we can't just have three viewers

and leave out all these people from you tube

you know

yeah yesterday's stream guys was the first stream that i actually liked watch

i don't watch the whole thing back but i was actually entertained watching

watching myself usuly fucking hate

it was a i thought it was a very entertaining

stream as well when i when i check it out later especially a the like

the the laughter

a matter half

okay

i felt i felt bad for neon almost

yeah

but you know i talking for it though you know do the good guys wt so much sit about

redemption is possible we can

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wheres he coming from though he's from luftypoul right

you know a little bit changing subject a little bit but going back to the materialism i

so essence and materialism thing lym has a good quote

in its proper meaning

dialectics is the study of the contradiction within the very essence of things

the whole point of like dialectical materialism

is that it turns on its head like the traditional idealist

conception of essence

essence is the you know

the object beyond your subjective ah

like domestication of it it is the you know the thing

not not not the idea that's that's the whole point of dialectical materialism

as opposed to you know like idealists

or dialectical idealism

yeah or it' just ors just as simple as the material is the a priori

right yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah exactlyal the apriord yes

do you think objective socialism is what people are sensing when they complain about bail

yeah dude it we didn't even like

people are saying this spontaneously that yeah we live in socialism

you know

but then the marxist nerds come to actually you know

people we didn't invent this shitp

it's always like that intuitively people get it but then you have like these leftists who try to like at like the sort of like priest of marxism that you know try to deceive them and tell them no your intuition is wrong

we

hassan

only has four k viewers

is he streaming right now is that like

usually or just started a

that dude usually has like fifty k

wouldn't it be the substance

that's substantialism

not materialism

lot of people confuse the two because of anglo

right

they're not

are not the same martin with dialects w materialism is not substantial a

substantialsm philosophically explicit is more up spinozas alley

and a lot of marxists

try to make

materialism into spinozism

it's a perversion

i

our our video on the unknown cultural evolution i think does a pretty good job of like clarifying the distinction between substance and material because a lot of people have it almost kind of reverse

substances like you know it's what you can you know it's what you can physically you know apparently

engage with material is the you know the deeper reality behind it that grounds it all

that's why by the way i don't want to get too caught up in the weeds with this but that's why we we like

higeger again because what does that refer to being

you know

the same it's the same criticism of de card he said you know de cartesid i think therefore i am but how do you incriminating the am

you know the being

where the is whenever you know whatever you want to call it

but onm

exactly and you got a question

you got a question do henry you

i think you're an an archist

no i'm definitely not an in artist one second i was looking at the top ts of the live chat ok i see what's your position on in artism

oh i think it's really stupid i think i've basically

archism as i think what people get into when they want to to

it's kind of like an escapism like a larping

and yeah i don't know there's not there's not too much to

to say about it it's just

it's really stupid and immature and also a lot of people who are in ourkids today

uh once they wake up form they're kind of like childish uh escapism

they're going to become conservatives probably because the

you know it's a traditional thing that happens with a lot of

anarchist and you know a good example of this in today's archists are probably not even like

they're not even worthy of even a comparison but a good example of this are the nar ni

and i

and russia you know before basically before the socialist movement had really developed very much one of the like earliest

like left wing movements were the nar niks and they were basically

they were basically caint they were kind of like anarchists like kind of like feudalist anarchs i don't actually i don't know what that i think the neuroodics

i don't i don't i don't think that

i wouldn't put them that low you know because anarchists are usually

urban degenerates and the nuroad nicxs were based on the ideas of hers

she is very different

yeah know and honestly i think there's a difference between anarchism

you know today i don't want to like rehabilitate all these old guys but anarchism today and then like anarchism even thatn even back then like anarchists were like french people in paris who were

throwing bombs and shit

but you knower thing is n is that

the no road nix i don't think there would be marxism in russia

leninism anything without the norroad

that was actually in with the we i like to study hers and for that reason hers and kind of

he's an unknown origin

marxism leninism but

idger sounds like he's rehashing hagel

it's really interesting because

high degreees almost

inversing hegl topographically

looking at hagel throug and con

in general from a different

spect

but

gijak if you want to know who combines them

explicit actually two people combine them explicit

most readings of hegel are actually hiding garian

readings because they come from a guy named alexander coja

keep bringing that name up a lot alexander coja

um

and

that's

and the that's the prevailing interpretation of hegel today and that's a hid a garion reading

hate

f i think if you if you grasp coja too i mean is the key to unlocky i mean influence on influences

batai i don't thin i don't know if you mentioned batai influences batai ya

obviously he

you know

also dumb ass is like pupiyama but

but but code yeah you know i think because people usually i was guilty of this a few years ago but people usually associate id here with like

anti galianism you're hide garion if you don't like hage

if you're likeal into this stuff you know but again like he has books on egle to m you can see his position it's m's much more complicated in this kind of you know

i do yoursl kind of let me oin to you

the war in academia

philosophy or whatever right

there's two sides

basically

there's heidi garions who represent freshness and newness all there's a lot to be critiqued about them they're more on the side of like

infrared vision basically right

and then

there's

debbie downer

frankfurt school type of german

criticism school

and

that's kind of also moishe post stone

the frankfurt guys and these are classical western contian

basically

you know

i

maybe this is wrong but like look i even think that because like marusa does this maru you know he tries to do this wen indirectly but you can bypass except for

you know we like you can bypass the marxists who try to combine marks in height they always do it from this kind of western marxst positian doesn't doesn't

so re g jk

don't if you look aut marx and heid you're going to get stuff from like markusz and maybe you know orkimer but don't

you know

by bypass

you know bypass that it's in a much different vein than what we're trying to do

you know

because they catunize everything

they do

they read this stuff through a kind of western content like transcendentalist lens and it's it fails for that reason

i

yeah

we don't need to get to in that

so on it was

true yeah

honor

true

look even just

like when i've mentioned this to people

in the heideger you know and if they know that i'm you know a marxist or whatever they always assume it's like

uh i cause i guess that's what marcuz is doing you know marcuz was very famous for doing this

but um i don't know

that's that's unfortunately the the

the glass people give it

people who are only hiding garans i think

also end up in some kind of sterile

know they also end up you

that

we're not only hiding gre

were

we're as similating

lot of

know but it's also it's not a click

coherent

yeah

when you say contiin are referring to positivism

know they're kind of different

but

those are all up the same alley

neo positivism and neo contiunism are part of the similar

conditions but

they're not the same

the're not the same

lenon engages with this in and in pricism this book on the empirial criticism

n know

yeah yeah

with me with neopositivism i mean

what's a good introduction to heidegger i'm not a big brain

i think just

ok sorry go ahead

no no no no no you go i don't know

you know i'm just saying that like um

c

i tell intro to metaphysics

interrod to metaphysics why because

i think

i'm a nerd it's a beautifully written book it's very poetic

but you're going to see kind of actually you know what this is what i like about it

ready

he writes

how

we see like infrared vision you know what i mean it's actually just reading the way he writes

is a part of the point i think you're not going to get this kind of obsession over definitions and getting from cartigian dogmas he's the form in which he's writing is actually a part of the

is a part of the is a part of his position right i think reading that book it's very clear it's lucid

you can ign it's his bad book because that's where he basically you know we're in the pincers of be german national socialists but it's a good one it's still a good introduction just dismiss the stuff that you feel intuitively

maybe not intuitively but dismiss the nazis and stuff and

this is this is a good size i know what else i

you know what else i think

is that if you want you think it's te a good introduction

too high degree

i

you can actually watch a movie a high degree documentary

and i i really recommend this movie because

you will understand the vible hindgre if you watch this

what you ca we are witnessing here is the return of titans how many of these things are there seventeen

this actually this movie thog is very high garing

it's it was godzilla kingdom

is show the trail

i

infrad vision it is man infrared vision we have infrared vision you know we want you guys to have infrared vision to see past the surface

thoughts on left communism

left communism is the biggest cuk

beach etiology

i've ever heard of ever i have no sympathy no there's no bridge

between us and left communism

the bridge is completely burned there is nothing

there's nothing you can never

you can never find any relationship or similarity between us and lef common

them at all there's no similarity at all

fuck left communism and

fuck that whole rabbit hole

that whole thing

it's a big waste of time

it's only for nerg you trying to

feel like they're better than everyone else

we are way more vulgar we're for jimmy dore you know we're

wen on this we only you were left communist

me in a set up

n as you don't left communism as guys

his lve come

i'm saying

thank you you know n you know this is lve

train this is you know what kind of train this is well do yeh atually it's a ball win tw eight four s three class pirch type the l what heck does that mean we're heading for the other side of the tracks

read the works of stalin of

chorus stud i we

we read stalin in i like a hermanutic way there's so much wisdom

and so much

insight in his works that people just gloss over there is so much wisdom in stalin's work

and it's

more it bundles together and simplifies what these western thinkers are trying to and so many words arrive at

stalin is the

in titanic thing

he's a titanic

i mean people think onh so simplistic

know every the

stalines minces nothing he writes nothing for no reason

every single word stalin writes

is meaning

you know

he is that's why he simply it's simply

you know it's simple because it's so concrete

and there's all there's

incredible beauty

i wish i could write like sty

thoughts on the revival of the ellion maxism i'm very critical of

messy stuff you're going to find mostly with

uh with western marxism look if we say

western marxism

and

you're dealing with mostly these like neohgelians neohgelian marxists

you know they're trying to reintroduce philosophy

into into what what is ultimately a

i don't like this word post philosophical

yeah i don't know if i like that word but

the issue i have with border just thing because border just is so dogmatic you know

the for example bardagj he throws the baby out with a bathway

you know stalin

rehabilitates democracy but in a new way

and for stalin democracy means the material people's rule you know people's rule in the sense of

the people as like the material origin of the state

for stalin he that's why the people's democracy you know it's bard to jo he's ust so dogmatic and bitter and i really don't like bordajo at all

guys never be one sided the whole point of dialectics is never be one sided

don't throw the baby out with a bathwit

that's why let's have a i want to have a friendly friendly criticism a little bit of caal

an example of this is when he talks about billionaires

stuff you know that's kind of one sided just because we're opposing the poverty obsess

the left

we don't don't take it too far and start defending billion

then you're becoming to the right of chinese

i don't want to

and it's bad optics but

just

first

i

but a lot of leftists make this mistake it's like they always just fall into a trap

just kind of

try to clear everything

you need to be a little bit more subtle just because we don't like anarchists and liberals

doesn't mean

we have to go full edgy mode the problem is edging a space

issue is edginges

you know

that that's also the basis of the

all of anarchism you know it's beating it's being edgy rebellious it's political satanst

because anarchism is an extension of liberalism but it's just rebellious

that's why i kind of like i kind of like this word anarcho

an arco liberal i don't like to add this kind of ajo but

an archo liberalism because i don't know it's the same way because

you know

yet

i'll get into that

where do you want to start if you want to read marx and engles weorre

it depends on

where this is what i was a thoug i'm never going to give you blanket literature from these

this

hundred fify years ago

you have to really tell me what it is you want to learn

specific

you know

that's what i that's what i would

and

jason on ru made a criticism of

calab

yeah i know we're talking about it earlier

i

we don't agree

they just like do that out of nowhere without any kind of stimulus at all he just

i don't but you know what maybe drama is good for this fear maybe this drama will like make the all tankes rise together

you know

because

let's see that video

sorry jason and ruthi

i g it batm to my knowledge

this dude has

one point six

thousand views

and his latest videos have not been doing that well he's been getting seven hundred six hundred

you know

well this one was really good one point four

but then this one got a lot of attention so we guys it's almost like economics

maybe if we have drama be videos with one another

it's going to just

it's going to create surplus attention value you know what i mean

and it's like

i don't know what you guys think

would you cheer on jason if he foll vauush in a boxing max

yes i would do that would

i would fuck in are you kidding dude i would well bed for him yeah dude i would be i would be way more i f like drake in the connor could be fight except

way more like

showing

port i'd be that close to the really o

jason you know i said i oh of course i would

in came away had to talk a little bit aging and

jason is being very

that's regressive a k

why

no i don't know why

drama is great for youjus i know u

that's why the makeup you tubers

have so much views because they create drama and the just

draws attention

drama draws attention

no

and it's almost like concentrating capital on ourselves

and it's like at first we're only using our capital but then

he just more and more starts coming in

and it's like creating attention surplus value

you know

exactly tankes rise up never forget it tankees rise up

tankees rise up

where is it

tankees rising see this

that's a were about guys tankees rise up

but yh

right

amazing jason but he shouldn't attack caleb now

i know but he did get views he got one point six k views and

a rising tide lifts all boats so maybe drama is good for us i don't know

phas take is is china soce question is really good to help me reframe a lot

yuppershot is really cool and smart

but

i think we're a little bit more subtle about it

peter coffin covers that very well attention currency

peter ffin

i've heard of him i don't think i've watched his stuff though

oh i think as asultan

oh no y i think he's linked him before

yh the jab as were knows him yeah

people also search for philosophy tou

this philosophy tube like a left wing tube

or is it like a philosophy

because they seem to be mentioned a lot among leftis but i didn't a i assumed it was like just philosophy

i think it's like theatre kid

bilosopy i think this is a really good question opinion on the post left

so the people we're talking about

is the

who are we talking about here we're talking about

the the people i know from twitter who are like that is

and i cat she in sorry for mispronouncing her name

and

ah

the other girl was

amy to rece

teresa

and i don't know who else

i that's the only two i know

but all' say on that is that

uhhuh

the problem is one sided this you know if you get too caught up in opposing

welceness sometimes

you're not dialected you know i mean like

but

post left

i don't know the

where about that infrared vision

you know so is that make post left i don't

but

i don't know yet i don't want to tell you

i want to critique people like sorry let me tell you props to amy to reesy though because

i kind of don't want to critique her be and i just want to leave her alone even even though i don't know if i agree with everything she says

but i remember when she attacked warren

and she was the only one doing it

and then warren betrayed bernie

and nobody gave her props and i've seen her do things like that for others

so

i don't want to attack her you know because

maybe she's on to something i wish her the best of luck

ok

ust not up

i

futer kid for laoss he was strong left wing bis

what's cool about both jason and caleb

is when they engage with each other it's in good faith

about his ideas no slander

oh the he invited kim for a discussion

that's good

we would be respectful if someone invite wanted us to have a discussion we would be very respectful it's only when people disrespect us

that we go a king kong d you know

yeah i think like some like respectful like discussion would probably be good for you know marxis luninist

just so that we can kind of break out of this kind of like cycle of

you know all those all the same stuff being you know thrown back you know at each other and like you know reflected back at us

we can you know kind of

you know move forward you know start to you know embrace

yeh you know you know some someone i didn't watch the whole thing but like

the way boh i think engages with people in debate is like

maybe i'm wrong about this i wash up but like we're super aggressive he invites them on it's just like screaming at each other but it's like it's not trans

it's not out of transgression you know i think it's just for

drama or something like doesn't have what i have he can't go super sand like me i know that for he tries to do he tries you want i seen him try to but it's like we you know it's all it's fake

very clearly he won't do and i can see past him he will never go super san on me

boss

will never ever defeat cause

ok

putting it out there

the ends of post leftism is no

and

ah you talk about post left anarchy ok i don't like pre

post present anarchy i think it's all bullshit i we my

a

not

fear

post anarchys i'm not i'm not a fan

not a fan

a a

it

is that like gabar

i don't want to

it's like

people so full of themselves that their life

we are now in that i don't like any of that aesthetic i hate and ndes i don't like communization

i don't like

all of that bullshit man is a waste of time

all that stuff comes out it's all an extension of the sixties you know i don't know need to bre but like

bluffing as so tourism that pretends like it has some insight

that it's leading you want into revewing

it's like guys we are

in the mamid shet up to

and those is a waste of time

not youe so

the baitbroad culture is very toxic

yeah did but we are tuk of the world is toxic you know i'm saying

where's the head of the curve

there's nothing like houses microsoft paint

did you open up microsoft paint last time y you draw

the chat really liked it the chat really liked it though

yeah dude i sometimes you seem to put it visually and people understand if you see it visually you know

thank you

so that you can discover a new way of thinking

hoses like ha san piker nor i'm not dude

i'm nowhere near

dud no i'm not

we're just both middle eastern

i mean caleb

is trying to build

and io marxist think ting

but i feel i keep hearing about this i don't know i

what

what it is he's doing i mean

i never looked into this actually

yes you guys are part of the debateable con saying that's what i know but wasoh

like he doesn't understand if wash

accepts our trap

in front of all his viewers and followers

it'll be king cong vers godzilla

but i don't know ow come no not vice godzilla be king kong versus

um

the

cooper from mario

i was rolling when he draw the autism box

it's better for me because i don't know the context so i don't know what the autism boxes

we canb dest we can blame destiny for the debate broke culture

destiny

i have the mest nees

honest

from what i know what he seems like he's honest

you know he seems like an honest guy

i just feel like he has a curse in him he has some like

pent up curse inside of him

where he just feels like he has to be this

anglo rationalist or else he's going to be devoured by the big wide world out there

but

it's kind of a tragical figure

youuus don't know about all this shit right

you don't know like all this

you know what this new guys

oh i've seen like one video of them and i had a pretty low opinion that was a while ago though but yeah i had a pretty low opinion of them from the like one video i saw but that was

that was like maybe a year ago or so i've only heard of him in relation to like bosh

basically after that so yeah

quindy can we make a mogis

and youtube

because yeah off weill fok and do that hundred percent

oh customer oldies

is that an option

you you can uh

up

apparently there's such a thing as custom gis

that would be kind of fresh we do infrared globe

you know isn't that uh maybe i'm a dumb match isn't the thing that um boshed does when someone donates like a salamander or some something is that just a

like the a moji comes up or something

i don't know

i never seen it

don'k i'm not turkish no

m

destiny is like osh but somehow worse

i think osh is worse i just think

wash is like a moralized destin but more moralism

justi fed the vietnam war by saying som wasn't strong enough to defend itself

you for yeah vosh is so paradoxical dude he he on the one hand he's an anarchist but on the other hand he made a video where he's like

the thing is that

if you try to

have socials america is going to attack you

it's like what the

fuck but you just said you have to defend america from russia you know it's like

cagt bad contradictions abound

first got to get affiliate or partnered i will never get partnered

you one modern day debates to get more exposure

how would you count it no i don't like debate with the rules

no rules you know

how would you conter the idea that marxism lenism is social democracy paint red

because jmn

social democracy means nothing today

whenever you see that we're just ignore it

it means nothing today

that word fucking doesn't mean anything

it's just a bunch of ultra leftist

lay mass left com dum mass is using that word

they don't know what the fuck they're talking about

and but if you want to know the difference g man it's about

people think it's

again

nothing is ever all the same

the difference is concerning the political anti establishment revolution

just because you seem like you have the same policies doesn't mean you have the same

political position in relation to the concrete world you live in

ok

don't ever use the word social democracy

as far as bernie was concerned when they were trying to rig the vote against him in twenty sixteen

doesn't matter what his fucking policies were

he was on the side of the people

the thing that is not superficial terminology

idiologies like sock damage that shit means nothing to

you got to get

get that

out of your head

washs o website with separate chat

what a weird

s sos of de morxy pain red is better than plain old capitalism

i wouldn't say that at all i would i think

all the people who talk about social democracy are left calm

and ultra lefti is

idiots

and i don't see what this so significant about this word social democracy

it's it's almost like they're assuming

that

people care about this fake esoic idea of communism they have in their head

but they're repressing and this s they're compromising with socal democracy

s like bernie was like

well instead of the communism we're going to just have social right

bronie wasn't thinking about your retarded meaningless idea of communism in his head

and honesty

guys wt know the trick and key

of leftcm hipster bullshit communism

they think communism is

when

they don't have to deal with adult

responsibilities

and growing up

and being a fuck and man let me just say manning the fuck up

they think communism means

there's no more stratifications there's no more

there's no more hardship you know it's like this

fucking hipster bullshit

o in communism

no one's going to judge me for being a little bit

set up to

that's why it's liberalism though

that's why it's liberalism in a different guy in communism i i'm going to be able to paint my flowers

ah

and i can just do that i can just write my shitty poetry and i don't have to work

and you know

my my dad's not going to yell at me and

the

and the i'll be fine

dude i'm so sick of

yeah it's a it's such a loser mentality

it's a big excuse

uh that's also why i think they focus so much on h

minorities or just people they perceive as like not doing as well they use as like a big blackmail so they can get away for

you know

not being you know

successful or whatever

ah donka chino are you persian

o i'm between those two

a my parents are from

lebanonon

so

and

nll

i

it was a historical moment movement

you know just the way i even think about it i mean they used to just call like german social democracy russian social democracy and i think just that

it it's kind of like the shinna

endings that you mentioned

they kind of shows to me atleas the objective significance of what then was social democracy as a movement because boshs emerges from this you know

russian social democracy everything is on the surface if they're not calling themselves social democracy and soci

guys

there's distinctions in reality itself

the whole point of word just to clarify those distinctions

so don't superimpose

a cultic

forms behind phenomena that don't need to be there like socal

like

like just call bernie a socialist because that's what it means in america

you know what i mean

don't don't invent these would but anoing to

so i don' want to cut you off

what on

also real politics thank you so much

but alexander the real movement

but notes talks about the real moment to and for them

they assume that means another world is possible

remrks that means

there's a tendency

in actual reality

that

is the world itself being changing itself

and which obviously involves people but

the real movement that' su blts the present state of things is something that's happening objectively in actual reality

that's why i wesh you shouldn't even get caught up with the whole

thing about communism

when you call yourself a communist

that doesn't mean you want an end goal of some certain society

the society

the new society that's going to happen is just a byproduct

a more fundamental

process

what are so so many tankees against the death penalty

i don't know i don't

a strangely left coms criticized stalin for surplce

yeah i know they criticize m because of socials commodity production because they're retarded they're so fucking stupid

they don't understand

that stalin's work about socials commodity production is falking brilliant

is pure brilliant

and i can explain it

that's sorry

grac and glaend

oh no i was going to say on the with

with what you're saying about socialism i think that's also a tendency we should probably

lit

with objective and subjective social

i would even like

i'm just saying that to clarify if you use that you just sim to clarify but it's also not even a simple as that i mean don't get caught in these dogments it really is just contextual when you're talking about

socialism or anything capitalism you're just describing phenomenon

you know it's not like you get the reality begins from the word

you know what i mean so like even when we say objective socialism

i don't i if i'm talking to someone about it i don't say that i just say socialism

and i think they'll get intuitively what you mean you know what i mean guys

but if you want to know what i think the meaning of the word communism is when it pops up into my head

i hope one day he comes on cocky duty will come on we're going to have a sci fi talk

and then i'm going to review review to you my sci fi idea of the

c p usa in twenty thirty six

the usa

to me communism

just it's a the word has this connotation of vastness bigness

finkl find when on drawings

communism is supposed to it's not something this has nothing to do with like

some criticism of society

you know communism is about

force

the force of

dialect

i'm i can explain it

that was

come you know i think that real politics is kind of on the money i mean obviously it's

acommo is a process that's more accurate i think than just saying it's a

it's an ideology i

i feel like all communism this capital c communism

has a political connotation

it's associated with the experience of

soviet union in china and it's referring to this vortex in reality

just

and its most fundament

i don't know

it always harp the phrase the real movement

i know but even that the even that

thing is

is

abuse

you know

because

then they said what is the true real movement and what is the false real movement

and then they completely miss the point

failing to understand everything's on the serf

and also considering stalin's policy of gradual

to reduction of working hours

yeah that's the whole ja who thing

ja who talks about

get someone to debate on here

is there anyone wants to debate

this makes me

because

in like an ecuador socialsm means fuck the i m f and build trains i know dude but

can you imagine some left communists

so so called left communist what a cuckword

coming to the ecuadorian people and saying no that's not youal socialism that's just capitalism

and your faate

fuck off man you know

but intaid that what communism is is i'm sorry to make a job is electricication of the country you know

yeah

ilways go back to stuff like that

alexander ruthless criticism

is the most abused one of all

people forget marxs he gelian

background context

what was the context of marx's ruthless criticism it wasn't

maximal edginess toward everything in society

re marks that he was coming from philosophy

it was from the perspective of breaking with philosopy

has a totally different meaning ruthless criticism of all that exists

it refers to a certain epistem me epistemic relationship

be

that's coming from this breakage with philosophy

so

for mark's ruthless criticism is

really positive

it's a positive thing it's not a negative

type of edginess like aw these left coms try to make it

punk rock retard

sorry i don't use our words

but

marx was not punk rock guys

ok we didn't even't mean in the punk rock way

that everyone's wrong and he's right

ruthless criticism for marx

means

fundamental openness to the concrete ground

of society and being

why don't you debate him debate who

isn't that just abouy supporting so called leftist

that then betrayed the people either in that country or in the

well don't worry about it

don't worry if there's going to be a betrayal later

ok

and who knows what's a betrayal what's not a betrayal

and i don't i don't think everyone agrees with amlo

being

full only being traitors at all robert because our guy wory

who lives in mexico he wouldn't agree with thatur trade

heat for him alo was ambiguous in that it's a platform

and you know

almost kind of like putin

what are you what was your expectation that was betrayed

you know that's my impression at least

if you thought y trad anyone you had

yeah the bad expectation

even if that was true i mean the whole point is that youve know if you like the trays or whatever i' what that means but

it opens the door still i mean you can go you can go you can pick up where it's left off but if you just if you just

always are acowing in fear what could happen

i mean look listen the bolsheviks debated this right common you have been zanovia didn't want to have

we didn't want to have revolution

in the same way because you have to take

doesn't jak talk about that right it's like you have to have this

taking risk taking risks you know can't be afraid of this you preemptively close it

the problem

put yourself in the thick of it first to worry about the consequences later that's ll

the other day i watched a video

yeah my issue with this idea of marxism as a critique

you know critical i think critical is an abused word now

and that there's a word that there's an article want you guuss to read by sadi plan

who was friends with nick land in the nineties

she wrote an article called cyber positive

and i hundred percent kind of fuck with that vib

over

critique

critique is just some guy sitting on a fucking chair

thinking about

like who are you to critique anything you know that's my view

that the word is abused it meant something else in marx's time

because in marx's time everyone was sitting on that chair right

so i don't agree with criti i like more sadi plant cyder cyber positive type

no

look itt up sadi plant cybeom the type of check

sadi plan

cyber positive

i feel like that word is like a word that mainly like graduate students and professors used as an excuse to like write meaningless papers

that's that's

mainly the context i've heard the word critique get used in like you know when talking to people as far as like leftism goes

marxism is not critical i completely agree mac bethed

critical theory something so different

then marxis ruthless criticism

you know marxism is not an intellectuals

tradition

marxism is for a tough minded mother fokers

who unite the mahdi

the body in the mind

it's not for point dexter nerves

who are in fucking quirky

drama feeder kids

that's not what marxisms about guys marxism is some

marxism is like a

it's even more than jordan peterson

terms of like

think about it w who the boat not you know not the cop went but

wh who the bolsheviks

recuded you know what was the stuff of bolsheviks

you know or any or any any kind of but i din like that kind of connotation i think you mentioned it it is it almost concretes hardness you know

bost of tougns

were

couh

oh gee mother focks thatre robin banks and shit

and mention x with these little point dexter nerd

nerds

you know that's that's what was going on i'm telling you straight that was going on same thing in china

red scared t v s m chair communist s i

well we are experiencing an objective break with the current american paradigm

i would say that very critique is necessary

i don't agree that it's i don't like to call it gritique

i don't like to call it

think ritiqe a superfluous

contradiction between appearance in essence

they gives

that gives meaning to the word critique alexander i find it superfluous today

and to me

i like to under for me new objectivity which is

the theorial credical orientation we introduced on this channel but it's

a lot of writings on

doing in shit

for me that means

it's more along the lines not the same thing as sady plant cyberpositive which means

the contradiction between appearance in essence isn't done from the perspective of

the true form

ok

that's what i think is substantial

for me

that contradiction is reconciled in something that's already positive

something already object

not to get too deep in the weeds but like even when you mention like true forms kind of on the alo has a platonic

connotation that's why that kind of you know materialsm people assume

is idealist is idealist because why because you're ascribing to the thing

a final definitive form that you know that the material takes but it forecloses it forecloses the actual developments in history that

you have no control over

that you have no control over you know and that's the issue i think with like critical theory right it's's not that you should be

you know passive

i suppose but it's that it's that it forecloses newness foreclose iel like you known

every time your critical theory i hear people complicating things that are going on critical with the guards to occupy wall street critical with regards to arab spring

critical regard

that doesn't actually engage with

what's going on it right it forecloses it because it has in its mind

it doesn't admit this but a kind of final eschatology

it hides this the point is to make this apparent yeah you know what i'm saying

it's a type of pontification to

arrest in completely

smother

a real raw phenomena

with all these little pontificating point dexture

nuanced analysis

that ends up with what ter like intellectual masturbation type of bullshit

you want to know my response

critique is it's fucking bain

from batman

that's what i'm about

what i'm saying

in terms of like the vibes in my head

my

be like bane from van

comletly

absorbed

the phenomena in reality

you know and made beautiful art to make beautiful

something work

in devotion to

you know that way you know because the wet behind the chat but that too like on

you can't when you begin from like you you know making beautiful are like social you don't begin from the premise

ideologically if you want from the head

of socialism and these ideas you finight you you have to engage w the laws of whatever you're engaging with you know if you like you go into reality you know you're writing a book or something you can't start with we how do i make this a socialist but you have to engage in the laws of literature or ar tou

and obey those to some extent you know

you can't like if you conform everything to this abstract id you're committing the same ideals er that you know we're trying to get at you know which ultimly does arrive in a kind of substantialistic

you

yeah

but

um

but yeah i think we're behind the chat did you see gugin's appearance on alex jones

yeah i did and

it was really funny

like

what advantages china get from integrating into the world

well it's china doesn't do anything voluntarily

dealing with the real concrete situation as it actually exists

china is trying to

form win win concrete bridges and determine its relationships with different countries

it's not trying to create a new american unipolarity

so

china's that's why people critique china saying w china doesn't fund mas gerrillas and doesn't fund

well how can it

how can it

you have to deal with

you know that's the business of each country

you can't force and export revolution it's stupid

the people who always have been trying to export revolution

we're always the internal counter revolutionary

in the french revolution who wanted to export the revolution

danton and all those traitors in the mountain

robesper said nope this is our business we're not going to export it

same thing happened in russia

stalin wanted to say no socialism in this country

they wanted to explort its other

why because

they want to

take the pressure off of their own country

and throw it on to others

that's the whole business of exporting revolution

and another thing to think about is i think just by china existing that itself is revolutionary because it's not just that they integrate into the world economy right it's also the other way around

they

have an objective effect on the world economy themselves you know just by their

you know there

mere existence in the role they play in it

and that's you know that'

plays a role in transforming the world

you have polarity sorry multi polarity itself is revolutionary

it doesn't matter if it's iran it doesn't matter if it's russia

lennon writes about this right i mean he writes about the same thing is that it's not only just not your business if you're not from the country you know you can't criticize from this

detached standpoint but that

the actual process of multiplerity that is how you arrive in a more authenticy

internationalism it's like like dijscbout human rights human rights abstract liberal human rights a's the extension of it mr cyber cyber that was just my limited advice and i already said

but you're saying i'm coming from reverse questern propaganda well mr syber s whyse putin still in power clearly has some kind of base

and i just don't like this arrogant attitude some people have that it's just like

all the russian those people those boomers are all dodumb and its only we can you know it's just kind of

like i don't know it's not my business but i would always i was just wonder you know why is puin still in power

where is his base is the silent majority that supporting backing him up

and

what about what about russia makes it so that you

it's not going to be a liberal western democracy and i

i don't think

the russian civilization will be a western liberal democray

ever

my

spect to my view

that's what i mean by outputing i don't mean supporting pol and i just mean

doing better than puin what puin is trying to do which is

give expression to russia's unique civilization

but maybe

i'm completely wrong

i'm already approaching this from the pl v

but he's a thing alexander is that

those

those things like the protests in the cap i'm so sick of leftists who think that

any expression of like moving bodies and riots and

shit is somehow that means there's change happening in reality

wall street bets us change happening

but those kind of things just seem like

porn for left coms to jack off to and think there's a this is the raw material of a revolutionary aesthetic

's not

kind of

how do we string these phenomenon we don't have to do because the lockdown protests

are completely a different thing the capitol hill riights thing was the kind of tragedy

which is only defined based on the response to it

but especially the anti lockdown protests

you know talks about how these leftist intellectuals are always celebrating

these carnival like

oh everyone getting out on the streets and it's free emancipation as i the i don't g i don't by

i think it's super crimsic got noth

i

western leftistlve to say but china

imperialst

so is my enemy

boomers vote communist part in russia

and who supports pve

maybe i don't know

i just don't know

just te the pensioners i think it's about the pensioners and in russian eastern bloc

yeah no

but i just want to know like why is puin in power you know it's my question

just china existing is vital for the left in so many countries

yeah

very true

very true

when seriza won greece china was the one who helped them when the eu is falking a away

i

is genuinely non controvolution exportation of revolution possible

non

no it's not possible to explore revolutions at all g man it's simply not

it's not possible to explorre a revolution

actually the latest subseort of you for you had a really good rant about how this generation deals with revolution

yeat dude i'm sick of this kind of

i'm sick of the cold i'm sick of i'm sick of aesthetics of revolution i'm sick of this idea that like

you know guys just

have a better fantasy

think of batman and shit

cause

this is a sorry replacement is the key is like the fucking

and tifo black block shit

it's just cringe it's a cringe form of larp why larp when you can just watch a nice movie like batman

and

you know if you want to sa you don't have that's not like reality that's going

guy's revolutions are never

beautiful

ok in as in terms of like moments in time

that involve bodies of people

that are storming

it's they're never like this magical moment

a revolution is magical only

from the perspective of it already

being happened

know like

don't watch that movie reds

the really long one directionly don't don't watch reds

yeah no watch watch a third batman

exactly the reds are such a cringe fucking movie

i hate that that's exactly what i'm talking

this self masturbation

fucking fantasizing about what a revolution is going to look like dude it's never going to look like how you think

but you may as what you should expand your fantasy

not because that's going to actually happen exactly like that in reality but because

there's this

relationship between virtuality and actuality i can get into right now

like be i says batman was about rip

oh i'm sorry

batman fearing the bat to become the bat that is revolution

no baman is about

the existential crisis of america

american society that's sow i see a

in a crystal known as a

es

either explicitly or implicitly as a conservative

he is conservative but i think that's that's what gives is kind of take on

i'm just some time of the third one but ho s i think the first one is bas i'll just talk with you about this this because it's almost in it's it's it's without any of this kind of

fantasies about what a revolution is that you get like reds or you get in doctor ebago or something

you know

i mean obviously that is mean like you know

imitating this is this wy about rapching the vibe

this thing about revolution two is that people don't understand the scale at which revolutions happen

and

they don't understand

that by the time there's a political revolution

it's already happened

you know what i mean

like by the time that you know the government's being overthrown

it's all the real revolution already happ

you know

that's just the spectacle part of it in a way you know that's not actually the site of the revolutionary chang

the real revolution is

way more

protracted than a lot of people think

is it possible that pulin and it's not something voluntarily forceed either there's a revolution happening right now in america

it's just like

communists and

socialst are not leading

but it's an objective thing revolutions are cyclical

guys remember i think i ink to that of that guy you

what's his name that

muslim philosopher and he talked about how the cyclical nature of

revolute and it's like

aristotlean in stir area not le whatever fucking

it's like that it's almost like that

you know

even if you say that it's impossible not to have fantasy

i know dude i'm saying have a better fantasy

and don't try to never try to enact your fantasies either

never tried to

we don't quit i'm not critiquing revolutionary fantasies as i have fantasies to it'sj ist that i'm not

i'm not cringe and i don't ignt and that them because i know there's a difference like i love the bain batmanship

jackion thing i'm going to dress up is bin in likemy

try to do that it's like that's how you be a clown

we might get some viewers

why

if you did that if you w you you dressed like you went super sient

and schizo hours i know i

we'll get this ers

re you going to say grisson

oh nothing

woby

is it possible that's another question pooby is it's like

i understand that i understand that a lot

i understand you could have passive

port

but i would just say that

you know i

why can't communists promise that same type of

paradoxical stability

that putin does

question that's kind of what they represent that i think the k p r f gets a lot of support in russia

it's beusy consistently been i think the second most supported rush

russian party but it's because they kind of represent a stability of going back to

is some kind of form of a

i don't want to over use this term but stable way of life stable being

right

that's why i get from talking to um

we got a first dislike to people like that

it's your only dislike so far wow i thought

guys he something crazy on our previous stream

we had seven dislikes

and now it's at three so either people

stoped hating us or someone was really mad and made multiple accounts to dislike us

when you are think when you think you're ban but you're actually the joker

kind of like that yeah it is kind of like that

i mean face mask are noblies now

nobody would turn eye when you crow like beham true but you know what i mean you know

you know what i mean like whenever you try to enact a fantasy in your head it's cream

never think that

a lot of leftists

have this idea that

revolution just means i'm going to be able to enact my fantasy and that's why furries and leftists are the same thing

literally it it is ale bit different though because like i mean you remember when that old joke mo i think some of thing matt jay referenced it right

at the new one sorry

i mean you had protesters you know putting on face paint or whatever and that's when you know obviously it's fantasy to make connection to you know a literal to a movie but it's got a different significance it's not just from the head right but i th see it i think even then they were taking a kind of ironic distance they would be like yeah this is pretty much how it is but they weren't actually

yeah that's whey it's different you know that's why when it gets an acted that way it's a different it's a whole different animal

cyber cyber there are no communist party in russia

i don't know about that cyber seper i heard that the youth groups of the k p r f there's a lot of interesting

things going on there and

in the north northern arctic

there's something it i don't know but

i don't know i don't know i never mr cyber cyber i never like this idea that there's no true

you know the true communist the true socialis you know

work with what's on the surface because surfaces are powerful that's my y

advice to you surfaces are powerful

you know

herbling yellow says to be fair there's a lot of nuts

yeah what do you think the nazis were doing they were larping to some extent they were drawing from these kind of uh

old traditions that angles by the way used to draw from angles and marxist would draw from

but the nazis were not actually assuming the tradition they were just kind of

appropriating the the appearance the appearance even

sorry real politics has equals communist realism

i really like that a lot and i love that word communist realism so much

reminds you find one on

need feet

but how does your you tube channel started and start out as a fantasy

no it didn't

start out as a fvive is the you know five in a fantasy

a vibe orients to you

toward some creative

impulse that you're actually going to work and create on some

but

it's a you tube channel dude so we do have creative freedom to be like

you know a little bit

artistic fantasy a fantasy is like clothes it's like a stable in the live it's like it's a wavewenth you know like

you're feeling some or a fantasy is directly about

your ego like yourself image

like a fantasy would be like if i

it was on camera with you guys right now

and i was pretending to be

you know the next revolutionary leader and i was like wearing the

now

clothing and i was like listen of guys the first you' going to do is that you know i and i'm like doing shit like that

and i was like i was like larping as this guy's like or guys were going circle the camp done with the revisioni ist done with the you know i' s and they are saing on these phrases and shit that's a that's what it means

but in their side would a change in collective fantasy reflect a change in reality

alexander maxia think of collective fantas fantasies is kind of superbluous to call fantasy

as

polarities orientations vibes and oscillations

it's always happening it is always a flux

there's always a flux of this kind of

collective fantasy that's happening and it is always

oscillating and changing in reality

at least there are organizations

got to go graceam see later red the doian

blad having you here

if you like kind of like this ap in mo g

that's getting thrown around yeah

king kong typeh you know m

yeah this is how you replicate tanky but with the tank of mog

they gass gorilla

on i got a

dm

uh

well cocky just best didn't

oh the person we interviewed ayeh this cocky ud of cokcky can come oh yeah

that would be on the screen is he watching

i

i don't know

have no idea

dude if we can get cocky to come on

black redguard said if you don't have a gun you're an idiot and are going to gt killed by fascist

yeah ok

and on doctor he was on dr phil

i want to watch that link me that

the m me on twitter way unless cocky comes on

dude

we want to get to have cocky on twice because we're not going to have enough time to have this huge discussion

but i guys want you to listen to cok

cockis a fucking legend

law shit i may fug dute if he comes on

this dream is going to be

it's going to turn from like

the content right now is like read a seven on of ten it's going to go all the way to a buck and

fifteen

i don't know dud he said he may

dude

fuctank tractors of the real proletarian vehicle

yah

yeah

do

im i may spectate but i'm very far into a screwdriver

no food so today is not the day for me to talk about

stp

you

that's all the better bringsm

john doe based on the earlier thing marxism is simply a way of seeing the world or comprehending it critique me a a se philosopher

yeah actually i fuck with that

mad understanding see clarifying the world yeat

clarifying

based on an earlier thing marxism a simply would have said yeah

sorry just read

he

we're adding double emphasis

do this fork in

guys we what i think though if you live in america

i'm know grace and what do you think you never actually told me what you think

and henry also

this communist party thing

what you guys think about it

i brought it up to you about a year ago you remember oh yeah i know but i'm i'm coming at it from a kind of different angle now

it's almost like no i know it isn't yet

yeah n know i get it because

you mention it bit but

that's kind of my vibe with it too it's like

it's futuristic you know like men in jumpsuits like submarine lives you know what i mean i think and like i like the symbol too i like the i like the logo not to be like to on brand with the simplicity

you had you communist party big infrastructure you know what i'm saying like

fun with non type of

belton road

connecting america just like deat stranding type of vibe you know like

testle cyber truck you got a machine gun mounted on the back

and you're defending the oil field in the salt desert in nevada shit you know all sorts of

things in my head i'm thinking about

i feel like it's so familiar to like it's like it's such a familiar thing to people you know the communists i know do that's why

and i could i could i would not be embarrassed just telling people like

so what party are you but i'm part of the communist party

and like woll communism and it's the you know i it's be that fuck and simple to hit yeah yeah honest simple and familiar

put poby

i was thinking

what if what if the communist party of the usa could be revived

because i statically i fulk with the idea of that so heavily

and i love the name communist party usa because

it's literally part of the american tradition

and it harkens back and i have this kind of sci fi communist realism vision of

yeah i definitely think like fan went on rawlings painting like art

that gives a concrete kind of idea of what this what this bibe looks like

vi you know not fantasy but

ya c p u s a

boy not see

sorry go

no no no

someone said belton road was imperialist what do you say to that

i don't think they know what the folky're talking

but the

think ohn don wrod

be the road and that kind of stuff i feel like it represents

a

a way of

thinking about the

bk

real

mobilization of people in development having wars and visions

big goals and visions beyond war

you i feel like china goes to war

to benefit

you i don't know i kind of i fuck with

but i setically to

communist c p usa representing this kind of

lyndon larouche belton road because lyndon rouche i want to get on liverhool

he's really

down for that belt and row type of shitp

just like dest training connecting america

i folk with c pusa

i felt with

sll pro let says yeah yeah p usa exist but it's real du to it leadership is the leadership is i've had i've had bad experiences with talking with local

the leadership but it's more just directionlessness i don't even know like it's kind of cool it's led by old

well sure but it's like

you know they've been through it all i guess you know

like that was when it was you know there was a soviet union and so on you know

i

ya so i was just telling uh

south forll it in the chat

i

yeah dude

the fuck in

i don't care about their politics and i know it's really shitty and stuff

but i just feel like

that name

no

that tradition

it's the brand it's the brand it really is yet thecaus it means something that means something objective you know i want

the brand

ok how do you guys determine something is revolutionary

we don't

give that much weight to

it's like

i don't know what you mean you know like uh

we don't we don't

we don't see you

we don't see that as like a litmus test

we don't subject things to a test

chairman of the revolution

we come into contact with events and we

and i guess there's something going on

familiar with p c usa i heard bad things about them actually

heard bet

on but i don't know

but i

you know we're not like one of those people who i don't like puritanism you know i don't like puritanism wre it's like

this is the true revolutionary you is like

i just think invive is a big

much you know i'm saying

a

it's no like solid

i don't i cant explain

what is revolutionary

mean what is what is what are we talking about you know like

what is the concrete

significance and implication of a certain given phenomenon

for

the situation we find ourselfs in

no

i guess that's how it put it

but a lot of things is also like based on signals

and what i mean by that is like it's not about the actual thing itself but about what that means on a collective level

so you also have to think in that way

whether something is revolution not is decided after

thank

true in a way that's true

very true in

how do you determine if a moment is revolutionary reaction

that depend because i don't i mean like iran was like the iranian regime but from a marchs perspective yeah it's it's geo politically revolutionary i don't think

moments are ever reactionary i think intentions are react

moments i don't think are ever react react

tensions can be reaction

goal of visions can be reacted

but a moment

i feel like you know

you've got to have a sense of being and you have to sense of objective unfolding of time it's almost fatalistic

celberation

maye even think about it like if it is a moment if it can be called a moment

that's the litmus test man because that means that something outside of you know your

your head it's not simply like

an expression of some views but it's subjectively you know sees in the real world see alexander the issue is basically that we don't think there's such a thing as revolutionary or reactionary in the abstract

there's a concrete political situation

' is a concrete atmosphere

there's a real situation

so basically what we're

talking about is like in regards to what

because i'll give an example the anti lockdown protests

it seemed like there was some democrat party

type of you know what i'm saying like pro establishment

that's how we determine that

we didn't say is this pure revolutionary or reactionary

we just analyze this relationship to the real

american politics that exist

or situation

i

we don't

we don't care about the word revolutionary in nevact

doesn't really mean

oh

do you think the communist party is a party that calls themselves such

i think it depends not not universally not always but

brands do matter

they do matter

and they're very powerful and surfaces matter to

so w you know

in the context of america i'm starting to really kind of like the simplicity and familiarity of that

and also i can't think of

like any other kind of label i

that would really hold the same kind of weight

or even have the same kind of honesty behind it because like

the thing is if you call yourself some kind of leftis in america you're going to get associated to all the wrong kinds of people

and they're going to think you're you know an extremist

anyways but if you're if you're just kind of an honest person about

you know what you are and then you can show like what that means in practice you know by what you're doing

then it's different

so yes

funny thing is that the anenti lockdown what was

turning point

it is crazy

take a concrete break from the official burning laight

but i don't know if that's good because i feel like that's like also a lot of left com type of likef

were the true revolutionaries and that was just sock down now the real revolutions have

so i don't know you know

we all have bad origins but

there's nothing wrong with that

i don't know

fe like

that's in loting you know i didn't feel like there was anything anti establishment about the anti lockdwn

oh what the fulk of my

thinking

i'm such an idiot dude i'm such an idiot i thought you meant the court

he

the spring and summer protests

he meant the anti lockdown i was i was thinking of the black mar ight of protest i was thinking of whre i'm af i wasn't know i was confused moren i can't believe i misunderstood that

i literally thought he meant

the because because to me in my head those are anti those are people word being lockdown that w yeah i was about the same thing i thought you were talking about like chaz and all that stuff

my bad

was a moment in which i felt and completely isolated from the entire left

i wonder if that's

i wonder if that's something that repeats itself you know

because i've seen a lot of people like that you haven't seen anyone like come out and

dude alexander your words make so much more sense now

i honestly that makes so much more sense

i literally

thought

you were referring to something so different

sorry

any modern revolution in the west to the digital one

not this romantic idea

yeah i mean

the di the digital one will have consequences for the real world

but there's no point in just focusing on the real world and fixating on it just don't worry about it there will be a change in the actual reality don't worry about

knows the michigan protest ok ok aging

ohk i see where you come

i see where you

i agree with

actually were

that kind of was when the left started more directly like agreeing or taking the same size establishment in the police was

and it kind of started there you know culminating for the capitol hill thing but that' that's kind of where it started yeah

yh it's really true it's really true

a lot of people even at like the organizations of mic and my university you know they they were

those are the you know those are the people that they were making a big fuss over like the whole thing that united them was kind of it's discussed

a public display of

you know resistance or whatever

you know there we you what there was no like leftis talking about that you did that you immediately in the camp of the rights that's what people associate what was asking so is lefts what should we do

i feel like i know i'm not going to give a satisfied factory answer but again i feel like

think about it differently don't think in terms of charity and voluntarily just doing shit

think about where you are

beuse that's where the real struggle is is this battle over being

so

so if you just

stand if you like take infrared right

infrared we're just chilling right

but we have such ads view

that we represent this kind of vortex that's making a lot of people butherd and shit

we're just chilling you know i'm saying we're just out here being ourselves

so just be yourself in a sense stay true to yourself

don't cave into establishment type of thinking

don't cave in to these lefty clts

and or any of these trendy circle jerk massed intellectual masturbation

echo chamber type of

nitches

stay true to yourself be yourself

and the world will tremble

what doe honestly the thing that makes it that the world

the thing that makes people conservative and not revolutionary

is when they submit

to a change

they shouldn't

they shouldn't submit

right it's like when you when you're in a university

or you're in a workplace

and you just feel the need to just start compromising on your

who you are fundamentally as a person

that's when you start caving in

you know that's when you start beat that's actually what concerves

thing

you know

yeah

the american hard left is pure virtue signaling i know dod but if you just don't do that you'll be surprised

how the world will change around

i don't want tooe my own horn too much but the sort of absolute cancellation of me

yeah did were kind of primorially cancell

we are ourselves primar to

china a those people have become in jail which

frience

well no i don't think so being because being in china

they had a lock strict lockdown but it also corresponded to communities

on the ground

organizations of the communist party on the ground

making sure people are fed and have their daily needs and theecessities and that's that america didn't do that america just said this is a nation of individual ism but we're going to stop the virus so fuk you fend for yourself they didn't help anyone

china's is incomparable to aer

and you know i think b j for shat talks about this a little bit on the calculecti it videos but even beyond the the communist party

just like with regular people a lot of people start to step up in a very collective way to like do their part of

when all happened i think i think there's just a radically different

mindset and culture and

do know that they had inter there

versus here you can even compare it to be on sm i feel like

i feel like being i feel like what you're saying

is like really edgy

and i find it a little cringe like

should have concentration it's like

did

to one sided you're taking it to an ex streme

cringe level you know you don't have to be ed

you know before we talk about animal right i know it's going to bring up a shit storm i got it head out but it was school being here met all you

ok so later grace ter grace

adis

i

yeah i don't know it depends on if cockey joins or not

far as when we're going to end

ok but i

he joins or not but i

the thing about animal rights doud is that it's crem

i mean nobody outside of the west

accept

people in cities

who are over educated give a shit about animal rights

that's

you ever see that video of like that

that british woman who goes to algeria

and b

and not algeria fuck in some country like that

morocco and she's like trying to

steal chickens from these

these bazzar merchants and it's like due

i feel like

ah people care more about animals and people

you know

yeah it is definitely a thing where it corresponds to like just not even having any recognition of humanity i mean you

you have a lot of people who i mean it's even it's more widespread than like you know you would expect to unfortunately in your sites coming on

oh my god great

dud we're going to we're going toin and now we're going on to the thirteen dimensions

yeah

ok let me open up

witter

me open up my normal twitter

send him the link

and

ok one we're going to be

hod on

we're still here guys it's just uh

can't let you see all these participants

the zoom

ok let me send you the zoom link ok we're back

i will bet

hey

being you got the thing is this being a

you got to think about what being empty mask even means in respect to the s like obviously abstractly you know i mean that's i mean that's wrong right you know obviously

but you have to think about why they take that position it's obviously like some kind of form of resistance or like ty establishment sentiment and general distrust

you know these are the same people the

that ultimately you want to be winning over not not

you know just doing away you're putting it putting in a box

you got you got to think about things in context like whates that what does that really mean you know being my brain is on a video game who cares dude what's wrong with that at least i'm not having

fantasies about thrown people in concentration camps

dou the legend is year

heyck what so cocky man long time no see

guys this is the one and only cocky legend

himself

can you go serm me

yeah

i'll go

but the stupid gamer had sed off

uh before i hopped on

dude how you doing

i'm doing good how are you guys

doing pretty good yeah we

and we just got into this streaming thing like a we should go to s

yeah

yeah i really feel like streaming is like the future like instead of just writing stuff

right

this is people want this type of interaction you know

you know what i wish you know how like those i forgot the name of the website oh billy billy you know those billy billy videos have the comments going across the stream the screen in real time

i wish that's how like streaming worked on you tube you cauln like see the comments like go on go on across the stcreen the real time

goo idea

like the streaming thing i feel like parties aright where everyone's like it's new it's amazing but like it's not new it's this radio

they made hahim radio like fun

and accessible

because like this is basically sort of a radio thing

like people used to sit around listen to people

i guess

i was pretty normal from

radio till the modern day

you know come back you know another thing i feel like is like

with streaming is like

so many of you are just not doing it

but that you could know they would be so successful doing it you know like

yeah

it's it seems like it's just so easy just get into this you know

honestly if you say it is cringe maybe you just don't really think

about this

a lit abt

everything's cringh

jake infrad vision upgraded dude cocky has more than infrad vision he's

es like got an aesthetic vision that's just

on bindload

come on more can be regular

yeah

i got nothing going on

oh

sidme

yes thank you guys for inviting me on oh no problem man no problem you're always welcome i' glad to have you yeah we thank you

yeah dude i

so i think maybe want to say this for another stream

when we can like be on for like hours and hours because i can't be on too long

maybe like another hour

but on

as i caan intro i guess is uh

the reason i want to talk about sci fi with youus is because

you knowice your

it seems like you're really

well acquainted with the like sci fi literary genre

terms of actually reading

t

yeah i was a funcking i just watch movies and sit you know

it was a fucking indoor child

and my mom subscribed to the setting where it's like they would send you a hugo award winner

like every month

so it's like all the like the classics

but show to my house every month like si by shi

starts at the beginning and went tol the ninies i said we finallys unsubscribed

so i've read way too fucky

that's basically

um my explectation

one thing i we were saying in our fine went on interview that chinese artist

who draws like those sci fi pictures

i don't think so

the

thing but im

i'm not sure if i did

one one thing i raised with him is ideas like

isn't it

our socialist realism today has to be si fi now

oh yeah

groys talked about how like socials realism

and even alike

the nazi fashionst start to like warifi you know like the beauty and power of the body and all that shit he said oh it's superhero movies it's also like com fu movies and shit

because he was talking about how like fascist propa caan the come throug movie sort of spooky close and they involve like using discipline to find like intrinsic power of your body

pulling it from your blood

do you know wage glorious war

i think he's big olild tongue in cheek i i't th he condemned youeng denouncing ind foo movies

but he's like kill bill he's like is perfectly good like

fascist movie

and enjoyable but

also good fashion

we one thing a lot of the

this

thinkers do including brought grows they just make fascism sound way more based

is they do make it sound cook grows makes almost anything he talks about sound coolor you talk about liberalism like

you're running cool you're so fucking right ud he's a great salesman

yeah like even iven you're right even when he talks about liberalism he like he makes it sound so like

yeah cosmic and like it's like a statically powerful blandness

in sort of universalizing blandness

i feel like

the whole m l thing for me is that

o is just made

soviet marxism leninism sound like and i just took that i left behind his the liberalism and fascism thing

and

his's like caused

almost cosmic level

view of soviet marxism lenism and

i just

no

yeah me too i mean i read i'm rereading communist postcript because i'm like

like i got to start fucking reading books again

i got to get out of the

deep corn in depression

italian

ls like

yeah so it's like oh come it's postcript i have a paper copy it's tiny so on like can read that it's for reading like

crime novels written by light

alld timey communist guys and like this feels good this was a con beier something

good book

with sarts on transformers i just saw that in the chat and i yeah'm going to dress it i've only seen two of the transformers movies and i saught they were horrible but i cauld see what they're big in china maybe just because i think of this is another language that was my naive language i was watching theedters i'd be delighted

because it just looks like someonere repairing a watch like four k really fast

that's kind of cool

exactly that everything i go

it's bad from those movies is the fucking

people talking

like the fucking metal would start

yeah maaliable and

you know i love that it's cool looking it's like a cool car commercial or something

yeah

but i actually don't i think i watched the first one and maybe the second one

and i'm

there's too many

they made too many sequels you know i couldn't yeah

it's like five six i don't know

yeah who knows

but speaking of reading the

yeah i've been streaming a little too much

almost every other day

so i haven't really even had to get you gys been going i keep seeing the link meaning like oh such wtch

and it's not thissparate alls we actually have an audience that's why we do is great

yeah it's notking great we're really glad

glad to see it

what's up jan

i think it's for you cocky

knowers

caar hapkins

now

that did not

i ap

shout out to my boy

going in my birthday happy birthday my name sert as an a

not be

i mean some people just have birthdays and some people have

devoted friends just got to shets birthday and i put i completely appear on

it's like we're saying radio it's come back the shout outs calling and the shout outs on bucked radio

um i don't mean to derail you guys a this i came in you guys got more rights and i thought that was interesting

oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and you were mentioning someone i have a a quick little

whole story on the topic ok someone i there was onhen i a class i used to be a beg a my parents are were like

we're raw vegan people

so

that circle i kind of get

but i knew someone and she told her she was like i was homeless and doing sex work i was very brutal

a serious wife but i was a vegan

and i like a guy tried to buy me food and said well can be vegan you blew up at me i go fuck yourself

and she was like

okay well

id st was step one and her not being a big anymore

and the second was she went to lif

she told me she went to to like an action camp type thing you know like an activist

style thing

uh it was on like a uh it was on a reservation

and they were going to kill a goat and eat it as like a welcoming thing like you know

going to cook a big meal for everybody and again she'aid a bunch of gan like white dreadwoks kids trying to steal the goat

to save it

from like anti like pipeline people

and announc for step two for like i can't be a big anymore it's too fucking

i guess it was too craned as that not the word she used but itjust describe too craned fellow

like it start to feel like exactly what she said and we stared that

white liberal leftisty you know yea

but she was like i can't fukly do this this is

pverse

you know like the way i've thought about it and i've thought about this long and hard

for a long time

i believe it or not i don't hate animals you know i like animals yeah i i love watching you videos on you tube like

cute animals and like what

elephants and shit and i so fascinated i like animals and in real life i like animals too

and i like zoos a lot and stuff

but what i mean that's not

pro animal rights

that's

and i find animals fascinating

but the way i've thought about it too is also that

the animal world

i'm not saying that the animal world is how like the hobbsy in say it is we're just pure chaos because it's not for example like

there's a gazelle that

just because it showed courage to like a

leopard or a cheittah you

watch these wss crazy

the predators will sh will respect

gep the prey just because the prey shows courage

and i feel like there's some inner instinct in them that's like

knows how to differentiate

credit

animals that prey in animals that

only eat

and only run away

mm you know what i mean by that like i don't know ma'am talk about my ass

but there's this fascinating complexity that i'm just like i don't believe it's all chaos the jungle is all chaos

but at the same time

there is this kind of latent

crolty

in the animal world

and i feel like

when we eat animals we're also participating in that cruelty

but absolutely we're participating in that couelty as the very mark of our distinction as humans

you know that's how i've kind of come to think of it it's almost like

we have to kill animals and eat them

just to remind ourselves that we're not animals ourselves but at the same time humble ourselves

and remember that we do come from this

savage

it's almost like a post traumatic

um ritual of like uh survivors of some kind of like

apocalypse that always had to commemorate

don't forget where we come from guys this is you know what i mean

ya

it's almost like but

i guess someone can argue to be like

we wouldn't that also justify human sacrifice

i'm thinking no kindness

but it is kind of up the same alley it is up the same alley but

i don't think it's the same

yaw

the bas me think of herman is na nitscha ncha whatever

these are the german ars guy and i t s c h e he is a saying where he like will split like you know

a goaten hause

have these like carcasses and like

i don't know how to bring shit up on zoom this is my first time using zo

so it's like

if you google him amear that guy

yp of saen

there's a do you see the shears ah

i see i shoud work for o b s

that's weird i don't know i dodn't know need sho was into like doing stuff like different gy

sorry who's nick

okay

smoke

that nich that's it

the college of sociology but tie people they sacrifice to god

but there's just a rumor

no one a

group

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that was their big story as she screamed

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see if they can see what we're

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they can see the big gross the can they can see the screen

yeah here we go

yeah

they're covering like wine and animal blood

and he did he basicly is like because he basically was like human animal sacrificees like t is like a deep part of like

a human culture basically you want to know something you want to know what my theory is

lluor so you know monkeys are kind of just vegetarian mostly

yes

okay

i'm going to tell you something really weird

chips

do eat

yes neat but

the animals they eat

are monkeys

and i feel like the reason they eat monkeys is because that's kind of a very primitive form of

like same species sackor it's something weird is going on

and i feel like that's

where human meat consumption came

like basically the

conclusion of that

i could believe it i i we watching one of those like at documentaries

re he's doing these bg nice and british but it's a video of a fucking chemp like two male chimps fought

winship we

and he just fucking devours the other like half dead chip and then screams into the fucking forest it's terrified it's like

ah

in an ambrosic we have no explanation why

uh they do this other than maybe like

if we're going to you know answer more friz be like it's triumph it's you know to instill terror

it's something crime weird

yea know it's that freudy in depth drive you know like

people tend to think animals are evil and shit animals are to look at lions and tigers a're just chilling

well when it comes to

our specimen of

monkey type

oh i don't know

um that's like the colonization by the alien invasion of

some ow metaphysical whatever cosmological force

that

gives rise to what we call humanity

yeah you know what this article reminds me of the

it kind of i know so i had mistaken the name of this artist for the philosopher nare but it's kind of actually reminds me a bit of like some of nchs

early like just like listen to some of the words i'll recall early theory about like tragedy

um and dionysis and uh stuff like that but

but i just feel like this is sos so vain like it's too it's too much of a direct relationship to like

the the tragic you know it's not it is not supposed to like actually en act this kind of stuff like

you know you somet like the butai people who

sacrifice some

someone

oh yeah it might be real it might be related to that but yeah i think it's probably related to that but maybe a bit before but tie because the

naa you know did all this writing about like you know greek tragedy and like the you know dialogue you know festivals and stuff

uh becuse but ya

because but ties gang or whatever they were also obsessed

the nitsean

red

yeah yeah this is yeah yeah so we're talking about the same thing yeah that's what this kind of reminded me of

but i think the whole point was like

you know you're not supposed to like directly like in act these kinds of like

dif these kinds of things like i think natus whole point was like an a static distance

you know that you have in your relationship

ah

tragedy

yeah but i always feel a bit tied to onus

what's up wey i know

don't worry

i always feel like i

but tide takes a lot of

too literally

all wurs a lot of

yeah

i was going to say i think the herman nichs goy ars guy

he came from the action this his whole sick i think part of it was to

turn all this into action into something real the're like sixties

there is a movie sweet movie

you haven't seen that which is like a serbian

a movie i think from the seventies

where he goes to a commune founded by one of the misions associates where like

people vomb it and shit in public they're trying to likelight

there's it's a it's an amazing movie there's a there's a big part in the movie where a fucking boat that has a prou ship that marks its head

goes down like a canal in france i

you know it's let's look it up on you tue

i'll just say that it something

i can't sink

can't describe it in the intelligent phildolph a way which ma is the point

h speaking of films

i

i've really been at a lot

don't

twenty twenty in general i don't know

but i feel like i don't know if i'm the only one whenever i go on netflix i always have to watch something

that was made that was released in two thousand and twenty i feel like everything before twenty twenty

just doesn't understand

my situation enough to relate

you know

he i've i've got i've got two moes

for twenty twenty they're making for twenty twent feel ok let me run the twenty twenty

one i think this movie bec comme a to me months later at this point it's greas a on you tube which i wea can right

waste australia right wak wake in fright

in friight

yeah australian movie

butu a schoolteacher in australia gets trapped a a tiny

tiny town and the outback

and just drinks for two weeks straight

it has a stranger quarantine feel

and then the other movie also stralia i watch friend re watch the friend recently it's called the ropver

and it's like sort of post apocalyptic but the apocalypse is't like atomic it's just economic

and so it's just character goes to like

tho'se going to should be lit like pwn shops and shit they keep like trading in u s dollars even though the're australia

and everyone just looks exhausted sweaty

miserable and you see like trains going by it was like guys dressed in that like blackwater operator you know thatst the big beerh and just to suppressed

i have' to check it out i have to see it

yeah so i'f not twenty twenty that's at least twenty t want to whatever you know i

i watched

a liada battle angel i liked it

yeah i like it i like it you know whiy though

because i was looking for a movie like thealria just go i want to wa i want to watch a big sci fi movie

extremely ambitious and

yeah

but i watched that movie valerian in november or something i think

i actually really liked it i

just gret

es sm i love that even though i'm like this is sexist stupid a really stupid way

but i do love it it's a terrible movie

but i just like sitting on my couch and at night and just watching a crazy sci fi movie andmbitious you know like you know what'ch an extravaganza

exactly exactly and i want to see all the type of aliens and

you know

i don't know

all a fun shit

that's why wen averatar too comes out i will w w it is going to happen i'm not going to like

not going to

sorry i'm not going to

craise it

but i probably enjoy watching

do you watch the xps no dude i think

i watched the first episode

unscipi once

and then i saw the guy walking in

to the space station and he

tuk his for doora off

he put it up on and i immediately exited out because i knew

this is going to be a scfi style

two thousand and

ford

internet libertarian

space movie and i don't want anything to do with

i found it so

like iss his favorite show

i don't i don't like the combination of art decos twenties and space and scifi i just hate it i don't like the hunger games

i don't like

it at all like i i

i don't know

whe are you men

oh yes you litergy maan

wh being here

there make a new matrix

oh yeah

wow yeah i am going to watch it but it's very suspicious that there's been no promo

so i will i wonder if they're just kind of going to

not afual they're kind of not that proud of it they're like this is going to be a union film that's like ninety minutes

you know what you know you know what other films like that was the saw the new saw film

when did that come out

yeah i don't know there was a new one it was like twenty seventeen or something really yeah

and why is it matrix for

i'm really suspicious of this

you know

at least make a re or something

it's like a sequel

yeah yeah it' it's a making for i don't know

i

it seems like the safest like dumbest thing they could do which i would probably enjoy creep wk

you may like a morpheus prequel

you know that that would probably be probably more interesting than a sequel

i would think too how do

i fa something like

wre porpus is like in his twenties is a ticking the shitout an earlier matrix he can be kind of retro

or a matrix fun that shows the origins of the matrix itself

in real

think that yea yeah

because like the ende matrix is so much fun i love that stupid thing

i of those

yeah i never watched them but i've heard a lot of good things about about animtrix i've never checked it out but just reading the description stuff it seemed like some pretty interesting

interesting

it was good it was fun

they have like directed ai robot narrator which talks about like building the matrix for the first time building machines it's

it was great that it was

there's i think' start the whole like animate ti ands kilbill had imate hi in most recent blad runner had animate thi

everything does now i guess

which

fair enough

the only respon i remember the latest blade runner movie is because of twitter

everyone always

names of the he

jake

whatever his name is

sorry what's his name again

the main ter

oh uh

were rightan gosin right gos and yeah everybody alwas share yeah him with like the face or whatever and

otherwise i would have forgtten that movie

when that movie came out i was in a fucking slack channel

was like

personal friends like nickoym that was deep in accelerations twitter land

and theyre and people like oh he loves them

he would seech he loved it i was like to see it and i saw i was like this is horrible sucks

it's creepy

it's got the weirdest views on women i ever seen orsus conflict at wos

the's like an hour like your om is fertile

this is

fucky weird

this is kind of gross there's something you told me i like the chronicles of riddick by the way but there's something you told me

that was so true about

ridley scott

in that he's obsessed with

no

yes and yes

and that is also a birth and birth yeah dude these hollywood guys are

super weird that's why i did love i loved his t v show i loved the

raised by wasz

oh yeah i didn't even watch that

watch it watch ras y woll

it's all his gross obsessions but it's not set the onion franchise so you canust really hone in and there's a scene where like the android woman is like getting in cretnated so she does not have a orgagina she does the street prinuter

but she's just geting covered in like weird milk cop

well like religious music plays

n'm like all right is is

this is that's is fucking something

you know what is practical what did you think about like that alien film alien cobn

i hate them you hated i hated not for any intelligent reason i hated some doork

and i grew up reading the like dark horse alien cop books as a little kid

so like i was for me it was like how some people i was a stars wes for me it was like you we couldn't re that it was you know

just dork shit ohh i know what

i didn't think the movie looked that good

i was going to sill constent

i was going to say that

i kind of liked it just because i had a sci fi

i'm hungry

no new scifi so y new scifi

probably going to like

but i do hate the origin story

fukings

yeah it ruined me

deep

i hate

the fact

that they abandoned

the that the prometheans

our biomechanic

yeah because in the complex there were these weird elephants you're right call cybbords it's a compmber the kids thinking like oh that's so cool and then they're like no they're just people antions basically

theight the weird white guys who like

bill

humans and like this i hate gan alien shit

and that race by wolves also has cian aliens cheriy godship but it's weird so it's more fun

if if you watched the

the first

or the second one caing marines where they show you that elephant or that i think was the first one they show you that elephant time guy

it's such a different fucking vibe in terms of what you expect

prometheans are going to be

h different

yeah so remember rbing it's because the i think not because we but

i feel like my interpretation the whole reason for is they're basically trying to tell you that this

there's a there's some kind of

bio mechanical hellscape

out there in the falcon galaxy

and it's a thousand times even worse than all of your worst nightmares about yh industrial modern society on earth

and i feel like that was really deep

you know

i remember like reading the com books there was interviews really scott on comics i had

kid are talkingt the design of what they call the engineer you know the preas you know whatever they hell they call them now and

but he was like it had this like elephant face was'par b one gas mask and we decide oh this is like it's head it's not mask it's this biomchanical saying

and he said it like o kind of an elephant

it like we beevolent kind of nash sort of look and he's like but it's been destroyed by this saying and it's like you know these super advanced people who created their own demons made them real it killed themos which is great great idea and they kind of have that

but they just made it boring and bad

because they it took the it took some of the imagination and some of the like like the like oh my god what what could possibly these things be what could your civilization ever be like instead like a huge or the rin working guy

who like punches a robot

he phunches a blond a beautiful blonde robot

yeah i the whole ai thing was just like come on do we already have blade runner you know doesn't have to just be about ai

i think it's all the same universe of at least

was richally scott because he kind of oh yeah it is i think it is yeah

think it is and raised by wos has a to rais b w this fun s premis and hilarious

we're like

a mistress mr the mr cole

the like ancient myth re hol comes back in the future

becomes the dominant of religion

then there's a war between

mrx and a c s and that's astroys the here they don't callics another planet as the premise why is there this weird you know that there's a show called divincis demons and it's written by

it was made by

that

reactionary guy who did batman

does you know i'm talking about the

what's which one for no one know the other guy the second co writer that

he also made blackops to

he's oh gy he betrayed as he made the blade

right door

but then he wrote that reactionary shi for that reason is on my ship was forever

what is poison blades radiroactively it's something like

point

schp

efn thises goer yes yes goer goyer yes

yeah the i actually like avincis demons but it is about the myth ras and

yeah what is up with that i don't know

ithree versus some other

ib they're just but there isn't a simple in a writer's rooms

ya that's my sort of anti iona conspiracy it's like we

can't underestimate the lack

nation people have

that's very true just look at that folking guy who

the joker guy jared letto

oh yeah he seems like he's like really desperate to

have a good imagination

but he just doesn't

what's your january trip on

did you ever read that huge crazy blog post aout jered lato

yes i did i love that saying the deep politics of gerletta

i love it to do to so

dude yeah there's a

there's a lot of weird shit

walk in hollywood

i'm willing to believe like

oh sure

i hear music

i was sorry that was me

um

i'm going to believe like forty percent of shoudaryb hollywood forty forty five and fifty

yah but i believe it's like like i kind of i think it's like a worse than like what

any of us like expect it to be that's that's my view on it

that my view on hollywood the underside of hollywood is probably worse than we think it is

yeah i don't know it's just like i've had real life experiences

where there's nothing concrete

but i've just always been surprised by things

that i'm just say

wow so

people actually do this in real life

i've had those kind of

counters

i just

i feel like i feel like a lot of people have those experiences but then most people just kind of kind of you know

yeah they repress them

yeah

i

i know here's one bit of like non how hollywood cost

do you know who the osmons are

the osmonds roy mormon like variety t show

were like superstars in the seventies

they were on all the variety shows they hung out was like

and doh know whover the fuck was super famous in the seventies it like donny osman they was sing songs and dance and shit on t vi theer superstars and they live in utah

and there mormons and all the shit made the squeaky co image

i knew a guy's old guy who worked on their sh some of their arty shows you have with a crap services table great bt like oh

table just covered coke and you could just

and they're doing huge amounts of cope and opers of drugsness

exspected to sing and dance for five hours straight

on live t v kind of makes sense but they're super mormon

and then he was like oh yeah and there were friends who get arrested for drugs they would like spent money in utah police covered up

so even the periphery of hollwo the like

but you know the edge caause utahs like feet feeds hollywood a lot of like grips and like medial

i would set people come from utah get trained in utah

many colleges all the programs where you can basically go to hollwt year

ah

it's still sort of dirty and weird and odd

it's leazy

so the very periphery is that odd wen just have a giant punch bowlful of

cocaine i imagine actual hoywood is

is something else

yeah dude that's what i sazing that's what i'm saying is like it's like there's a punch bowl of it

and it's not like some spontaneous thing it's like they're

custom to

its normal on like big t v shows the eighties to be like scrab services your food re's anoer table that has coke

and speed and just everything you need to stay up and work all night

do

andust kind of your pay you know what else is so fuck and spooky is

jimmy seville and that

yeah

that's what really convincing but

k is going on

did you ever read anything about urban welsh urban welsh

firs name made trinspoting and show

he made what

train spotting

trains body know it well noting that's that's a really good trains really gooing to movie yeah i yeah i haven't read it but i've seen the movie yeah yeah he wrote a shu he wrote a short story

remember reading as a teenager bok ass house about the like

acid house like music scene

in eighties uh you cam scotland

there's a character in it was with k show hosted like an exit t v presenter

who's a necophiliac cannibal and all this a weird shit reading a short stories like what a weird character see why he' is in the story

and then years later i'm like oh it's jimmy sap wh

net

uh

i got a sample

ca say cvill some reason but it's him and then i read interviews r well s like oh yeah there are rumors about him being a necophilia

cannibal and a pedophile and all the shit he turned out to be

going back to the seventies

and there's like a johnny rotten john den interview from like

the eighties where it's like ooh if you could shoot anyone who would be ss like jimmy saple because the knowlw he's up to something

just part i was like more the press ok who's even a pp culture

and as like

a rapist nedophile pedophile every sing pore hole

turned out to be i guess

parking borable you know i i um

i never like the eighties revivalism because i've always gotten yeah dark

and spooky vibes

from the eighties since i was a kid

you knowus there's something so disturbing about this convergence between

this

extremely

plastic

and literally plastic i mean like the actual use of plastic materials yah like t v sets and movie sets and these weird

styles and aesthetics

coupled with this extremely disturbing

kind of unpress seemingly unprecedented i don't know

like h

dark you know pedophilia

cannibalism and

i don't

eno

just youeep an errors defined by gagan and stature is going to be jury

i mean that's your happy public face of your era as a darkk

it was a really dark time yeah it's like yeah the two politicians are most famius strong people on the streets

magaposium celebrate figures the eighties

it's horrible

and it's it it seems to me like

i always kind of get good vibes from the seventies but the eighties

i feel like is

just this dark turn

yeah and news professors from germany

not it's west germany as tue of west germany which is what the seventies and shes like i love the seventies someent was wholesome because we knew we were against we knew we had something to do every weekend go america go our protest a a gos go

like a nice bim

in no member of the seventies and as you in the eighties cam all fucking felt part

everything just became about like drugs and getting a business degree she was like fucked everything

and i just always think of that her telling that wliotle story and my dad

and i grew up in the seventies chicago south of chicago so story the seventies but terrifying

but in the eighties you just sound grim becuse it's like a crack is starting coke is out control

and reagan and a chicagos like the police wit ducky now have a license to really get go

lean

and then you know there's the whole thing of russia in the nineties

eastern b which is also a really

i think weill really underestimate just

how kind of

dark

it was you know it's almost unprecedented in human history just this transition from

seeming normality to this kind of

credit but the crazy thing about it is like

it's this overwhelming nehlism and

degradation

but it almost also seems like normal life is continuing

ya sense

i got too sick when i got move another movie for you

call the et generation p we actually sink there's something about that it sounds familiar generation p

let me look at it's booked by victor

name but af but you can watch the full movies russian movies the subtitles on you tube

on me close up to chat

uh that he wrote about the eighties and nineties russia

roy well or contee to

and also when i was in uh moscow

my actually no my last night in moscow

chatting was this guy when he tong was older a lot of nineties and he was like he was like it was a teer i carry a lid pipe in my jacket because you get wrog constantly

and just going outside so he was like arm a all times and then he wasjus talking about the chaos violence like degradation then suddenly all went away

just fletly disappeared as he said the police just arrested like sound

people in this kiny period of time and he's like he's like that's what all people o to

just love that like woh that n sens

it's going to open it shot like i

i see all people i mean uh a lot of people being thrilled if you know

a fucking real a soritariy and just shows up and like congratulations ithing to rest

il feel like a lot of that stuff is also like

it's not just hobsy ini ism pure people like

self interest also they're also like challenging the state they're being like okay well

you're not the boss i'm going to be the boss you know so unless a boss comes in

that's gonna be me you know what i mean

yea i think there's a

i think there's a sense of people challenge by trying to like composting generation p chat uh

i think there's a sense of people trying to

usurped the power of the state like w you rebut nineties russia those nationalist groups who sought their to re establish tzarism they reached out to like the last ving descendant of the czar who was living in mike

in florida

he was like the fucked maror of like some town floy or some weird shit

but they reached out to him and like come back to russia

crown you that's another cursed place i think is florida

refortings evil

yeah it does seem very sinister e order thh weird man

like a

so a

i feel like there's so many conspiracy theories i hear about florida as well like all of these like strange things that

h incidentally people will tell me ho you know happened in florida

ah

yeah yeah it's a strange place

adon uh

an author

i'm in recommendation mod which

china

charle charles williford

worked down the chat too

um

he wrote all these crime novels about

uh florida starting in the seventies it his death like the late eighties but he was like a grew up in like the depression he was a hobo was a teenager like a train hopping like it is one of the like many like depressed pseudo communist like crime fiction writers america's produced and like i was looking at wikipedia page was trying to remember like

was this nice schol i remember when i first read books yes yes

he is mese find a description

the cell your

your viewership on this a guy who about books as wilf for created a world predatory cannibalism

american capitalism

des the model for all human relations it was the human american success asic mercissly cast aside all who are unable or unwilling to compet

in which the innate human appreciation of artistic beauty is cruel is cruelly distorted by the exigency

yes

decisiencies

sjensi whatever y mass culture uh

and he creates characters who search for economy so for survival

he never abandons his class perspective

and ya it's about

hoow trying to be a middle class american this turns you into was fucking

sort of a sort of a monster really if you don't have it you want it

and you want it bad enough

yea and that' great the that great bo that's the story of everything it's almost like you

the reason so many bad things happen is because people just want to be normal you know people just and the they look the other way and will excuse

a lot of things

just in pursuit of that ideal you know

yeah

i mean that's a big political famili so

i sa people fucking forchand jokes people post on twitter about bit you know comparing to kennedy but it's like so many families it's like you know bootwagger pass and like

you know you make money however you make money and then use p sort by legitimacy

it's funny the sink were like wow trump's great grandfather would righte in brofel canada

bidence come from bootwaggers can really make you can real clean up america you know

this fuck and bit in presidency is also very much dark vibes you know

oh yeah so far it's very dark bo it's also because it has the appearance of like oh it's a new bright horizon but in reality it's di skising this

yeah

no this dinn know what

payus the fuck off

t the stimulus they won't even do that asard you know they won't even give the the two thousand they're going to fuck in the water it down to

fourteen hundred

you know i feel like and it i'm almost septical about the fourteen hundred because youy say they're going to do it gets watered down like another level you know before before it takes a little longer

it gets worn down again before it gets to you

this is what the yang presidency would look like if we if we had it

it would be that that's were yank ca we give you a thousand

and actually to be six hundred and four months it actually to do hundred dollars and eone is going to get their eighty dollars voucher s on once a month so this is our purview of the u b i future i like

this is endless torturous weowballing

that

and the dollars going down apparently too so this mo not even worth that much

yeah you know

this is something that's very privileged to say

because i know a lot of you are struggling in this time

but i have a best by gift card for two thousand because

turn it

yees i th i'm i was thinking i need to get a laptop

but now because i'm doing the streaming thing i'm going to get a nice

but you can'tve fuk and buy m now you know everything sold out

it's so crazy the

it's like p c like

buying one up during a quarantine because theyre bod to work home a that tim what shit computers and i go go i got you know my office dob at home now

yeah there's been like a tech buyout

i was just buying tech

but y if i get this p c then i'll also be able to game i street

you know

and apparently some people want

i have this giant fucking gaming laptop that weighs eleven pounds you have you have the alien whre one right

yeah i got the oionwhere and i got to say fore people accuse me of way more money than i have

my parents bought for me but my parents bogg for me

because my dad works for a tech company that gives fifty percent coupons basically in lie of bonuses sometimes so this came through somemit guy

grifting was multiple coupons

so don't don't don't this errate me just yet's fucking crazy that's real the privilege but i like it i love this that's crazy dude yet

a six p c

it's got like a twenty seventy in it

yeah it's insane a stupid thing

but the thing with i looked it up and i found out that

the laptops

don't have as powerful c p use and streaming is all about the c p u i'd love to get a laptop

but

it

i just don't have a laptop i feel like i don't know i feel i have a smartphone no and do you really need laptops these days because

yeah it's like there's computers everywhere there's internet cafes and there's like

you know in my apartment has a

cometers in the lobby so

i don't know

really nice

you know like us

um

but i

yeah i can't even play any games anymore you know like

p c crashes every time i play any

not not yet creaming but is playing any

my fucking p c will crash

ya one pleace ahead hea one mo uh pleace agat me um

speaking of gaming to go back to

to the world i really want to force myself to play the first days x game again

is everyone get a million means of that started with i saw a crazy clip about hong kong

yeah because a big parre the game set in ho kong but your minds where it's like a virus is spreading

and there's even a line on one of the characters like the virus is no worse than a common cold they're only doing this you know to keep us all indoors like it's like a real line of the game

theemver being like oh tiny and play that again i'm play this sounds like

you know shd i love everything that activates like my schitzo

yeah yh that's what the game's all about

that ok then i need to play that b it gets your pre your brain w it's like i'm saying now

ah

because you place a guy in the trench coat and sunglasses

who's screaming about trilateral commission

and you work for the un and youre the un cyde ork

wh uncovers a conspiracy involving a s semi fake virus so it's it aged great

when ip your nineties

but it age gret

yeah there's there's like these lost treasures and you know it's so weird how deep

games used to be

you know the even the medieval type even like the dagger fall

the elder yh aall and all those weird medieval r p g s it's so weird how

like

a cultic an esoteric

but how much thought these

people were putting into these games whats on are you know they're creating different worlds you know

there's a guy who i cannot rememer his name right now the

it was people in the chap might know was he was a romanian like scholar of like compartve religion a bunch of other shit he mentored the guy

came up with the r p g romscape which was like a de i played that when i was o there i know what that is yeah it's not

quest

dream quest is how you gt like king of dragons pass which is like an old classic

a computer game

but he was like new of all uh

like personally he knew a bunch of those people

mentor the guy who would make

he mentor greg stafford i want it that was his name made a bunch of those ole r p chees

and he came from like a weird comparative religious background

was romanians at the university of chicago

who like

came from stpooky iron youth

circles when they were younger medival so there's weird shit running through them just through that aic connection

as ever academic to the portal of puribal

di did

medieval fantasy has so much spooky and darks i caep use the word dark but like

it has so much like scrripto

it's fishistic

yeah yeah it's

i kind of don't like i kind of

never like i want you know the only reason i ever like the elder schools

was because of how different it was

from other medieval fantasy

and yeah it was almost like more modernistic in terms of yeah characters are you know

yeah because courrect

corper

sorry

i was going to say the morrow wind especially seemed very different than like other r p g just like how much like culture and history they seem to put into the game

yeah

yeah

oh

what were you going to say cocky

oh i was going to say the guy who was like

sor credit is a comman moral and guy wo seems kirkbride

whos so much fun

he's going to mean himself at this point where it is the famous story which i think is fake but chf real he did mushrooms and i speeed for two weeks straight to write most of the more wen or the turned it into the company is like this like i is that the gnostic guy

he's got a yeah he's got a yeah he was like

and he was like also speaking this races and studied that that shit older schools but he's fun because he continued the story of the or that game basically was like o they have spaceships and heaus hes like it's materialist it's

you know

so science is not magic this is a different universe of different physics

but of course only the mature universe is only true vers exist so that's kind of fun

exkuse

he's deslikable i like that guy

you know it's those are the people who it's almost like a randy and hero it's like the original guy who just did everything and everyone else just kind of

yeah

because you know what i noticed is that

based on this latest fall i don't know aut what about you but i hated fall

i just get suck

but i feel like

i don't like either i feel like the next elder school just going to like it's not going to have that original creativity and they'reus going to rehash that

inal creator's vigion

to diluted down to the point of just

having because i felt like skyrim kind of did that even though surprisingly it's so weird both oblivion and skyrim

which is the only the games i played

there's j some rising depth

to thosegame

and what i mean by that is that

oblivion for example i kind of read that as a type of like um

a heavy type of critique of communism

but that's it's a double rabbit

but yeah i want to hear i have to hear that also cot ok ok ok the thing that provoked this to me was that

for oblivion

there's two things one of them was that

mays theay got his obsute of the god of revolution so that's

a big one

but i

it's also well actually communism and modernity actually

it's a quick it's an ag it's kind of that it's not so much against those but those are the villains of the game

n

but then there's also the fact that there's this idea that

i

the

nern which is the planet that everyone lives on in elder schools

is only one other plane of oblivu

rather than being the real world

so this calling into question of

the

nature of the world

i feel like that's kind of similar to the communist idea of like

primitive accumulation means property is that

the whole light

you know look

but then the other ma that

man car cameron's realm of paradise

i felt like was

youre anti communist propaganda i can't put my fingeres thing but it was like

it's like this cult this promising people paradise

but you go into the paradise and yes superficially it's very much

flowers and trees and forests and shit everywhere but also people are being tortured right it's this incredible caright i can answer its topia yes exactly

that's ight more more to it yeah its

it's not so much communism specif to speak it's like modernity and utopianism

forry

then oblivion

and then a blow thing with living is there's a war on terror element

where you're just randomly in the cities and some people will spontaneously turn into

the the occulty

the

part brotherhood i the dawn know the mid people and you can't tell who's who and is this kind of war on terror or paranoia and you know it's ok

here's what i don't understand this why i believe in the illuminati may

because why was oblivion

if you look at the story of that game it's about the emperor being killed

and

though the world is be going to be plunged into

chaos and crisis

but you don't see it

but the game was released in two thousand and five two thousand and

and then

two thousand and eight the obama crash happened

not obama crish the financial crisis happened

occupy wall street happen and then what do you know skyrom comes out which is literally a game

about the post two thousand and eight crash

in america

so what is going on do we need like the c c r you hyperstition type of

analysis to understand how these are so fucking pressing and and also dest training is an example of this too

yeah this crazy thing you know

i

that's atus a good point i will i i i know

this is thisi be a fun

funk con straight

conspiratorial video gamet analysis yeah like two hours that'd be fun but

i was going to say i know i know the curk right got a guy

came up with a lot of fun shit and mowin ha sort of allyed some of the like groundwork for the other schools and i remember reading interviews him like when i had like a

my friends were all playing like oblivion in scarlan rgon stars like oh we need time wasters but brilliant brilliant idea i

was reading an interview and he was like oh skyum is not what i want skyum like all these ideas and blah blah blah

but he was talking like in his like in older schrools too be i mean not not

elder calls to in morerowan he played morowand

there is like an ethnic li

a terrorist faction in it

even back then

is he was like i try to use your history in traditional zology and like i like

it when there are lights

here's why

the sort of conflicts we have in real life you be morally you play like our els there are like your imperialists and we're going to like slaughter you all or kick you out no matter what you be like sort of a left and right faction of the

which is pretty entertaining

wen he was about sky and what he was like sky was supposed cocaine but but the says the wasn't interested r wales its few cocaine all king you know anscaping allw these

insane ideas

they went into

that's why justic schools games

are as fucking cool as they are because that crazy know why would it be about his okaine i want to know because he said there's a giant will to spray i don't w

you had this whole idea that wmy ire thinking that would be such a fun game i do ove a point bs we y surekym was just like a fok hyperstition or whatever before it came out of the rumor

and i would have on the map in oblivion and be north sky i was thinking of this fantasy type of

like moorthern serial type of realm in which

i think that's part of it too and also he there a do he said he was reading on there a doen he wrote

a lot of sky and more he said that and he's like a new dragon sire actually like

like semiotic you know linguistic concepts given flex that's the whole idea that's where it comes from the depth of

because i was yeah

that's where fucking comes

because he's i love that guy because he feels like an insane twitter person feels like someone who should have a wordpress he's like

you know he's a sseuth

is a good souit

good sudo intellectual good weird that's ok just clarified literally

why

in the elder schools games i've always noticed

there's just like

someone's got to know some stuffh was make

like this is not just

some

but you know i feel like today

all these companies are so

institutionalized and like yeah there's a it's always like you just knock off the credentials thing you get a certain degree

and nobody thinks independently i know i sound like

a rand guywood

means true it is go youoring it you just turn into a product where's like we have to be careful blah blah blah blah

i can i remember even reading an interview with him too where he's like i want this character to be gay just just caause be caause i wrote it

in in tod hours like

i'm not against that but at the same time we know that you know fifty seven percent of our eer basees you know it ma ge it boring

it i think to yeh his right winger is try and claim like oh you know ever since getting s g in the gid of eller scrolls was like the opposite

wheor his vision was like i don't know i guess you could say it was st that you wish you know they would it

yeah but

he just wants me bland to sell

you want this corn meal

it's it's not even that this like there's the political correcting or that's another conversation other thing as aside

i've noticed that

despite how politically correct

all games are now and how what they

super

glossy they are

they're also extremely rapidly reactionary like never absolutely

like the latest call of duty had youuri bez men on

but it's also going to let you play as a female soldier and it's like i saw that you going your pronouns ianking like this game is insaying pr pronouns but it's also seems like the most explicitly fihistic all duty word bring it

is called it to goson saying to the fucking exx k b guys spposedlyd so you never fell in all these great experience series apparently that game uses some of those

and that's like sort of like

the john bird society like misology like using that shit in a video game like thiss of evil

horrible there's another game that does that too i forgot but

back on to the main point though

it's also the fact it's not just the political credice of it just

it's the fact that

there's too it's too i'm going to say it's too accessible to become a writer a gamewriter all you is go to college

go through the motions of getting a degree

but you don't actually there's no like spark of

creativity anymore we people

you know people

do things outside of the box and also yeah changeit

yeah i feel like we live in a quich a world so i mean

i think it is fair

i will say that's why again is probably cringe i'm sure there's on many levels that discolyseum or alysium in' want that word that game i really really enjoyed that

th

because it was written by a bunch of weird to stonian the very least you got weirre to ston culturrees american culture

and then like people remembering were like americas i can't tell politicss game are seems to you w everything it does it really does play like i was pushing you into

basically tells you liberalism is evil

fascism is stupid

communism is is a smart but doomed

and maybe too violent for its some good like there's a continual joke where you communist opts for someone's like don't tell people you want to liquidate them

need to do that after

you've taken power because i you g to you like little soft bubbles and tell you things

but if you puy fascism sys pure stupid forli bos is evil

this is made by a depressed marxis

and the fact that they have like people from like

it dashed from re scare to her voice like yet either depressed

marxist the social democrat people are fine i wish they were the normal people i wish i could i could

you know a fucking social democrat was the norm

be beautiful i mean the b instead of you know the fucking liberal bden voter

that's this feels like it's not super radical but it's

sensible

it's remot it's still left wing it's still it's not

part of

o yeah i think even if a game is right wing or reactionary

is yes it's

quality

yeah and it's fine but i feel like the big enemy right now

is just plain mediocrity you know yeah

and you s g a lot of right wing game sorry i

but a lot of right wing games are really mediocre because yeah they surround themselves around this idea of

not being a c w and being edgy

and the game ends up sucking like you know yeah a game kingdom come deliverance i never played it

i heard about just tell how boring it is because it's so alter realistic and they were just trying to make a point of

being against the s j w yeah

it's like something fucking fatal that the mem mar p g please

was like you know the mean d n d where you cold like ll over al cir conumference sounds like notorious thing about it where it's like antiestery goes com to make rulesre come make medieval time you knower gam is hatred yeah yeah that's exactly it

it's a good sho all sids

it sucks yes

but there are games made by like

weird right wingers that end up being good

yeah it is a real weird right wing artists were like

good were mike yeah i'm sure the scum a better world they

p

uh reeducated oror be shot the neck by someone um but you know um

yeah i think i think

there's like

there's such a weird lack of vision going on which seems crazy when we live in an era that's so fucky weird and so strange and so

a vockati of all this media we're all iers maybe that's actually part of the problem maybe when reality looks like a shitty movie

it's hard to be creative you know it's also an america issue you know

feel like this is kind of unique to america because i look at the rest of the world and i

in movies and other things and i do see a lot of original cool stuff

yeah

america i think is

there's a knee jerk anti americanism

which i am totally infected with thee i thusand no stupid at the same time like no america's ind of real down time yeah i follow bruce sterling

on twitter

which i recommend but sins ad isjt

bruces like bruce was nsst the end but you know he wrote

he' is the father of like cyerponlic american cyerrely gibson gets that credit bruce sterling started for him

and bruce sterling eventually de like moved to serbia

and it lives like a villa

like i bead your addic

a serbian fashion designer wife which a diinn't like us

great lif

but he's written about america ust like i look at america and i just see a serious downturn like i've read enough history i've lived in enough countries to just look and see like i know what a downturn looks like

ext and those can last like fifty years

yeah i mean a lot of people probably accuse us of anti american but

which i mem anti american and extremely pro at the same time

what it's that's what i was going to say is that

it's kind of the same thing you know because

if you're ant when you're expressing

anti american sentiment like we are

obviously it is coming from at least for those of us

in our group where american

is coming from an american

that

yeah and it' that

so i don't want to

keep it don

but

i think to i've been thinking about is that

i kinda think of america more'n more

as

is in debt stranding terms

not to just talk about howsss the game m but like yeah i feel like it is this kind of the goal

for us here in america is to connect

the bridges

and have like the belt and road in

to see of the american

landscape

i have can i can jump in yeah go i have two sides and that one i think the one thing you about the animization problem

worre's like we are so fucking isolated the whole culture is designed to isolate the whole culture

dein to create non groups

and then there's sort of the irony with the internet

is a part of the isolation process you know if i can uh

like extremely so but it also creates these weird groupings and these weird little

clusters and also in some ways even unless you recognize what you are

even if you didn't know it like i remember f rey midwestern sometimes just being online meeting of people from the west fm like we apparently sink and feel the same way you know we're not talking

person who we interact with the rest of the world

we see what we are we see our regional biases and so on the internet

is brouse

our tool of isolation but we're staying at home and fucking

being on chairrooms and shit

and at the same time revealing our regionality and in our

true

where we are

our position and then the other saying

it was like the actual like bent road infrastructure in the whole like this threany thing is like

the obsession was trains the obsession was public access that like runs through like from like chapeo jackebins sosdms m ls whatever i think it's both literal

in the sense of like yeah american infrastructure is dying and sucks and we know that the wealth and power of a country comesrogs infrastructure

you you want it even if your country's egan empire on selfish level

you want to live in a place with great infrastructure

but the other part is it does represent the social it does represent the idea of commons

in a really like basic way with the commons the commons you know the eflux and all that shit and there are commons as usual a little to utopian i think mark fisher for all the shit he got when he was like the commons of starbucks where you can do your work in a place that isn't home and isn't your plaicce of work there is something to that being a neutral space that's well maintained it's decent that can encourage a type of low

commitment sociality

that's something i think americans like

and joying and desperately fucking need

in general but especially during quarantine

i think there's a cultural sort of loneliness that runs through what we are i think it w and ove japanese media because lods japanese movies and anime comics and so on have done a great job

of just expressing its likeight to be lonely a little sad

and knowing that maybe not a huge amount of effort would be required for you to

to minimize it

but that would also require efforts from other people to

you need a community you need a society we don't have it you have to create it so you need that spark you need that

at energy

you know i've thought about so much like what is america

and how can america be something that's united or whatever not united like what

could be a commons in america because there's only nothing that unites americans

and the reason i mentioned the infrastructure thing is also because

it's that it's a type of

way in which

the global supply chains not only of goods but also of culture and

the people of the world basically

america will be this kind of infrastructural

nomadic land

where yeah this is like i

ah

where

i don't know fucking um

to be the infrastructural

way of kind of almost connecting the world together

but

but there's also a dark side to that too where it's also like

when i mention that no domaticism because america is this kind of flat

like landscape basically on this grid

is that i have this a kind of vision of the future that's not i don't take it literally but it's kind of like a fantasy

where's like

we're entering the kind of age of

socialistic nomadicism

were

as you mentioned there's all sorts of kinds of groups that are converging together in this autonomous kind of way

and i feel like

it's kind of this new warlordism that's going to emerge

where america is going to just purely stand for this common

flat

infrastructure and us being americans is

there's's just going to mean like a type of warlord type of civil war where

everyone's vying for

control over the infrastructure over the the means of i don't know i' what i say makes sense

skets a

i think i didn't make sense because part of what i think you're describing ex thist when you think about like

what's the political fight right now and you just just looking at fucking tweter because i haven't spoken to people i don't know in real life long for time is depressing

but it's like people are fighting over the big tech companies the're fighting over amazon which is not just tech in the sense of like you know a big website but also the warehouses distribution the highways the fact of taking over postal services the fact that amazon is supplying supplies to military bases and to government buildings and shit like that

we're talking about

like what is that what how does politics intersect us like

infrastructure was a day to day running was the logistics of a country

and where it's like a big text says oh we can have parlor

that's trong that means that so

fucking apparently big tech whatever the fuck that is stands with the night presidents stance with democrats bruce sterling the guy i mentioned before when that was going on he changed his twitter ad it was pretty funny to like the talitarian like left wing you know tech giant or something

um

i think that's sort of war war wardism is almost sort of like a fight for influence where people

i don't know it's a stupid it's also that stupid thing that sting where it's like oh this brand is wo this brand is pro trump this brand is w i think brand will go with this is god marketing ian if you can say he's the uan on demographic this many million people and you can always sell to them i think wendy's could just do it yeah you know we're just see all right brand

withre the races brand

because there's you know seventy five million of you

you

right before you came on we were talking about how

the next few days

i feel like

the american communists communist party usa brand

should be revived

and i don't like their poli i don't care about the party and all their dumb politics and shit but like

just that brand

as it i feel like

that should

vie for control in this warlord era and just be like one of those warlords

but yeah

because you have to be you have to

you know you're going to end up being a warlord fact

i have this kind of like sci fi idea

of like a post apocalyptic warlord factions

and they have cyber trucks with machine guns on the back of them

yeah like you know how like isis has those trucks but it's yeah it's not i don't actually think it's going to happen but i like to

imagine this

symbolic level yeah yeah yeah exactly

but im

i feel like the communist party usa is a

very powerful brand and has a lot of kind of

mter

it's a great set of a great set of words i'll say that

it's what ss up

yeah yeah exactly

because because say a comon is part of usay almost sounds like paradox that in doing that your grows is a bit ra more paradoxical

something is the more artistic it is like that's the basic rule of modern art

communist part usa as a beautiful modern arts style name

definitely has to be stolen and i feel like people kind of have a wrong idea of what parties are today because a party is kind of a corporation a brand today right

yeah a party isn't something every time people try to create parties from scratch they just create

cults re nests of drama

gibbs because americans were individualistic and we don't know how to make a transition from individual

groups

yes we'll be right back

oh i see w uh

um and then im

y yell

ah and then

so do we have to contend with

corporations and groups that already exist

because when we try to

create them for

scratch

we have like this kind of purson

protestants

factional war whatever

and drama

that's why i like the communist party would say just because it's not from scratch and' is such an old party and brand

and i kind of feel like i could see that

acquiring significance vying against

democrat party

brand in the

republican brand and all these other kinds of brands

leve me you know what

how do you mean it's time to do entrsm it's time to start a chapter

and then just brand better

than the party itself i mean it is sort of the key to entrism the modern times it seems like

you to associate you with it until the it objects you and you publicly say like i am no longer

like i'm not going to part usa aoll

i know you do that type of thing i feel like

you can seize control of the brand if your aesthetic vision is more powerful

and yea for me

communism the word

capital c

mean something so much different

then di

democratic socialism

and also anarchism and

kind of like

american leftism i feel like communism

reminds me of fun when ons drawings that chinese artist was telling you about

it reminds you of just this kind of vastness in bigness

and the i

yes

hard to explain but

i think it's why it's almost

to american and almost the reason why we never had america

communism or socialism

because it was competing with american

americanism was yeah kind of you know it was in twined with it because if you read like a book we

book we by you can use much and is where we get you know ninety four greg the world to the original the papa of those books and it was written by a bols old bolshevik

who i think stalin told him to go live in france

that was his punishment

which

had a col

that's pretty good good go boling and thats successor to france i think was his wife even

um

but was great writer s that's why he got ldians sake but that book we

a is about this world where they worship like

t were

and forard and they syst like said like by god it's like by for we do you know that e shit is a vision where become

it's we oh we we use the book that brave the world and like s fur took from whre like we admit it were was like yeah i took from we

fok

ok wells like no i've never even heard of the shut up

um

the fucks a gore honest yeah

um but we is like the old russian book comes from

but it's about worl like communism in americans triumph in the world is now just like glass dones where people live in like beautiful

like factory h

likey compounds and our building a giant spaceship

and the peshop voys made a great concept

set ofp songs about that

you know um something i like to say often is that

the word sourcs with chinese characters is kind of weird

because you ask

but what was socialism

like

what is it besides the chinese characters

and id like to respond to a

it american

thing he were breaking with was america

because

central planning and standardized

top down kind of

i don't know what to call it

uniform big industry was all inspired and ca you know yeah

like that shows up in like

there's a book called

i always get fucking mock for the title they go themselves imagine no possessions yes it's a beutle what of it

the great book about soviet constructivism

ah

by christina

kyer i want to say off the google i spok the last time i don't remember but she talked that she has great quotations from my

rochenko and all these like great artists and designers of the early soviet era

and now they dealt with the n e p

but one of the like slogans was like was like soion must reach for americans

soviet union must accomplish americanism before america has finished americanism you know these ideas of like

yes

america has unleashed these incredible productive forces from fort

but they are not real socialists they can only getic a little fraction of what it could be

as marxist we will we understand what it is so we can finish it we can perfect it we can make it fairer

while still leaping the benefits of life

um you know production lines and effsient factories and all these things

and this vision there's like really strange like pseudosexual and racial visions running through rchenos writing where he says that we have to like cry apart he's like

the stiff buttocks of white capitle in society

to free but i think its like black slaves like you know industry

thet this bizarre

racial and matery he's using

but he's basically saying like here's all these productive forces we must you not release them

it's fucking bizarre

but there is something to all that we're writing

and it's amazing to read

god len their big designers tomember the name i wrote stupid fucking word forress bloco shit back in the day about

but he wrote about like

he wrote about the idea of how to view the object and objcreings on coology and all the te broches

sounds eerily like him

you know decades and decades and decades later

because i think some of these ideas were just good

that makes sense

and so they're f still floating around

yeah i mean i

that's big ramble aorr

no it's all right to me like the communist party usa is almost like

the chickens coming home to roost

incense

you know i mean like

for

for the whole twentieth century the real americanism was put into practice in the soviet union and in china

it with the big state planning whatever

and yeah america never

the

owned up to the political consequences

of its own

type of

euro whatever right

yeah communist part of usa like

it's like uh

just

now we have to face it's like an existential facing what we really are

like what is the essence of what america is you know

yeah

i think that yeah i think there's something to that have you ever looked at um kowadia magazine

oh sorry i don't want to

keep that point and i thing too is that you know mold bug he says

communism is as american as apple pie he says all the crimes of communism is based on washington what's washington's crimes

so that's that's another backing on my point what sorry what were you saying

that actually ties in perfectly you ever checked out a palladium magazine

no i i never heard of it i i'll i'll send you a link palladium

i would call them right wing because i'm pretty sure they came out of the old social matters which may remember they were the n r i saying the palladium is the next evolution and palladium to my

a shock and horror im like oh i agree was a cap

because they're just basically about central planning constant

some little wing of social matters of the interx people we just became obsessed was like how did the american survive america survives so sup central planning

america sor survives with government america survives it's become this is the very weird the left right

statism yeah push and it's fascinating because it almost sounds like what you're talking about more right perspective more pseudo reactiony perspective

but you'll read them

you read them you're like this is someone grappling this exact same idea from a non marxist perspective

and so they're worse reading because they're

strange

that's very interesting

yes

i always thought r x is just a kind of vin utopian socialism i always thought of it yeah

i never seele socialism utokien social yah

exact

it's like weird french syndiclism when you read them you from their fascism it's almost like you got to ask like

all the historical

interpretations imagine if someone is not a history bok in what way would utopian socialsm reinvent

so in the modern era

and that's basically what happened because

a lot of these guys these n r x guys

they just

they just began as these type of light

naive rationalists who like the went on the in the like ok let's think about everything from scratch

and they weren't the type of people who had this profound knowledge of

all this

shit that happened in the nineteenth century

they sod like this it's like the's like guys people

yeah exactly they sound like you know like a utopian social

are going what if we all manage this what if we all you know you just you'r restating old ideas

because you haven't read that someone did this already in the nine hunentred eighth century

your restating as now

the police and people i looked at their website and they call themselves governance based futurism i think that's

yeah und

ian these guys

yh the thing with n rx p with i call them right wing socialist is what this websiteyh is i mean there wor reading because you have likeh

mc vince garten

if you know him he's also dude i love that guy yeah he's a i like nce alot's he's a friend and he's talking

no he's not right wing but he he his ideas suited nicely with thoch people you're that aggressively pro china re yeah yeah vince is he strikes me as somebody i wouldn't call him a wriightis but

you know a lot of the kind of

left right thing is kind of fake today the real left and the right you don't really necessarily know what that's going to look like

we're all kind of yahing boat right now you know

i think so i think there's something wheres like everyone is trying to say no sts ight right or strong right or dot here yeah using all these weird borrowed terms from different eras different countries because i don't see america knows what

fuck right or left

wqhite means

because even talking to like friends who are like

diehard anarchists are from that culture whom they say somem like sound like the

ps sound like a left position

i feel like license so i feel like in america left means

accepting the institutional consensus and that's it

that has you know

in some ways become it and that's why i sometimes feel like a weirdo conservative or some

like even m ls

or tankees whatever

even the even to the extent that they're accepted as leftist it's only because

they're justifying

their support for

a foreign communist states based on

this wok

victimization of like people gaer and

yeah

you know what i mean c remember talking to my mom who's like

fucking weird tentically fucking weird every level everar

like

when some big rams

and she's like god you' become such a republican

and iw was this describing like basic m l pp

republican ww

and soll like thats

funny and i ha another friend ofs you're conservative nouw

and i was like no no because because also it's not going talkot one of people that grant about like

i don't know ooking gay people or whatever there sing it sets off people's like and you know

conservative thinks i was talking about like government's bad

the u s government's bad things are bad

the state is weak i think bad and invasive at the same time you know all this shit

i feel there's two things that only really define

the whether you're

reactionary socially

and whether you're rectionary political

and the social one is the gay

people who have the

anti gay and anti trans issue

they that's say where they are

kind of

draw this

it does seem to the same when i can say all my weird opinions to people because i'm not anti gay or ti trans yeh i'll have like anarchists and like you know these very leftever people beg like oh you're fine

you can call yeah it was was thems it's like you know like youyh sure of course i am it's like yeah we're kind of an adjacent i

according to everyone but

we not like when i feel like there's a lot of pathological like people

become too one sided and they just kind of

it's almost like

you're the weird one if you people who are really like anti gay and

anti trans that it's almost like

you're the one who's

there always uptight and triggered

and yeah always you

because like for example we're just being our normal selves just pretty much chilling

and then got these kind of bread tou i don't want to draw you to drama

you want to be part of but yeah got these kind of

lefty people who are going to be like you're do goings youre this

and like we're you know we're just being normal people you know i feel like people who are anti gay and anti trans

they are the ones

creating the problem

so

you know what i mean yeah and then but the other thing

is that on the political level it's

it's the immigration

and what i mean by that yeah isn't the people who kind of critique

a meaningless

open borders

phrase

doesn't really mean anything

but more likel to types of people who are antagonizing migrants

that type of racey i don't get those feet pucking people either i think again

and apparently is one i think must be one of the big whight

gate keeping sense of like what's left wing what's what right wing heyah some people talk about migrants and should i always tune out some like

don't have anything as migrants yeah i grew up

whight

lower and then to upper middle class w my parents you know the clawed their way up

but they clbed their way up in corporate america that means that my dad's friends were from eastern europe and india like

they're corporate people they're immigrants

that's youre so to me they're always very normal but there's some ironic episodes like isn't onny my very internationalist view

comes through capitalism directly

because my friends growing up withre the kids of

these migrant ip workers

i guess i'm like i' like that's funny and then i was just like i

ya i mean i uh i don't know it's kind of my that's like my barrier h you know a lot of people for example

wll do this really crazy human etics and i'll be like

yet infrared

they're secretly fascist

hyper maasculine

uh you know they'll do this kind of and it's like i feel like it's a lot more simple n okay if we're not into gay we're not against immigration

not you know you don't have to like reach so deep into it in accuse us of all these

that's that's kind of what i mean it's like

fak leftis in the us

have a really

low standard of what a fascist is very very hypocritical standard to it's like a blackmailing thing usually it's like a way to blackmail you into supporting the establishment

exactly and

ya because it's like

droiz uses that term all the time in its essy

ic a moral blackmail for different things where he like images of like

atrocities that happen you know in countries in your political artor propaganda he's like we you're doing the moral blackmail

to silence someone because you're like

look someone's

funcking dying of course as a person you go oh oh my god i'm watching videos dying you know terrible so

atrocities and you can't quite respond to that

other than shock and horror and so he's like a brilliant tactic

and i think sometimes like american leftists will do that worres what aboutll the black

might died incarcerated with all transpeople ki about the do they'll use those things very cynically and very strategically to silence and to

white

blackmail because it is like horrific and sad and tragic and so you don't know how quite to respond like p in it you know they cheap and yeah

it's cheap in it but at the same time but if you can't respond to those things it's difficult to respond to something that's horrible and

you appear weak

so there's like something really cynical and vicious going on i think with a lot of the discourse

between leftist and america

and why i just find it so fucking depressing that's why i don't

except being primeordially cancer

say you can call us yeah this you can call us whatever i don't care i don't give

you know i mean

i like primordally cancelled i'm going to use that

yeah definitely stealing that

it's like you

i just don't ever feel like i have to watch night shows i just feel like i'm not ashamed of my

position

i don't i don't have anyone answer

know because you really don't cause it's also like when i

like not to go ino find detail but to be like living

self declared like you know activist people and they would grant rap and they're like really like you know pounding their fists and thes was thinking was like i don't know what any what any of this is accomplishing or doing at all

y

they don't know where this moral power and weight is coming from

this is america

it's a little disturbing to me i think there's there's a lot of cults personality i it's run up a lot

there really are really are hundreds of tiny little want to bep back and tight if you watch the i don't know if you guys watched this

or what your takes are on these people have you seen the black hammer stuff

do we were just about that i was wondering if you guys that first of all i i don't want those people to attack me so yeah you know what i take it back ca because that's wh we talk about the red austin red guards shit it's like ok guys yeah guys are a little bit hardcore

but i i've met i

handfuls of wlite

those people

il

jesus christ

dude ok i want to i'll be a little bit neutral here's what i'll say

so the joker video of black hammer yeah was

hilarious

hysterical it was that was the first thing

the second thing is i was very it was definitely very new and

i've it was

there is this contrast between

people like militants

stances in the back and the guy yeah the main guy i don't know what his name is

it's kind of it' gaziyeh gazi with the joke or makeup dancing stuff

and i realize that's kind of

it's a really brilliant work of art

because it represents

the nature of all of these organizations in america yeh tens to have this

formal posture

this stringus serious posture but in realit there's this

clowns

underb yeah

and caesar kid

wehre not exactly when i was yesterday

when i was i had my like

insane skitsll scream

dream yesterday

and the

i was ranting and i was saying i was just like

if you are calling yourself a marxist lennist in the west

you're a clown

and i'm a clown yeah that's ok

but i want to be the joker

the walking feeenix joker

there's different types of clown

but ill y

i was saying i was like why so serious whyre you guys so dogmatic and so serious and so

you know puping in hyphens

oh sorry what is it

as said talking was hyphens between every yeah yeah out like revisionist o yeahh bh why do you guys are so taking it so

you know like

loosen up a little bit and have a yeah open mind because you've got to be aware of the fact that

in actual reality you're not

doing anything

yeah that's why i

that's why i always love red kahena

even if i don't agree or one hundred percent agrees or

e seventy percent eighty five percent

but she's so fucking weird and so very much her own strange person i like that's a good mark

because yes she's rigorous yes she has all these thoughts yes she has he

opinions of varying degrees of quality

but it's not super super deadly i must pretend to be in the nineteen twenties or serties

as a cert international

and stalin's going to read you know

my memos

we're not in that era

we're just fucking twitter user we are people buying books on amazon

here we are not

you know party functionaries of some

pure era

we're dorics

here's what youven if this comes to something were doors ok here's what these people can't wrap their head around

there is no central authority

bab yeah there never will be any more

i don't think there will

that you talk to this

so i talked to you about the fantasy thing the cipher thing about the warlordism and ship because

yeah you know like we're not in this ero where there

people

even anarchists everyone wants to have this idea

that there is a common instantiated

discourse and

ight of common meaning that's just already out there

right they want to and that we're all warlords who are creating h different ones

know we're anamized liberal subjects we are pd people eating bugs

ah

there's an article that ed at berger

wo i'm going to bully the coming on this iironly bothered him like

i bothered him again

i talk to him pretty regularly so i'm going to bug him like but but i'm going to do it

if he doesn't want to come on that's also

yeah yeah but i think he would have a good time but

we would love to have a month

he's he's so fucking so he would

i would love to hear him ramble i

but he sent me an article ages ago about i think itzens like ardro

someone whose shit is not in english i don't read french so fuk but there's a brilliant article which i have saved i will post to the chat for thoseight be interested

it's about the bizarre like

of mental gymnastics

of an extremely intelligent m l who could also call liberal or fascist or an archist about twenty other things because it keps be like what does this ideology mean if there's no sentral authority

what do you do if there's no party anymore

and he's old he saw the all collapse

but there's but the article on him ends was his interview

they're asking like what is your ultimate idea where do you go with this and finally he says

he's like is the hight of idiocy

he said to deny

the importance of thesordy and i continue to say on with nw on with stllins like made like the ele rgin mary like ten thounusd years wre blog post of

ya that title

i was kind of obsessed with that guy i love that post so focused and i really thank you know the ending of it with

yeah ours thing and that's just so beautiful man i love that so much

i'm going to get back to writing the bullshickm why not why not be cringed why share somep but that thing about the stars stuck with me i actually was driving sometime like a few months when i was remembering i was a dude that was really

hy weill become stars or whatever yeah the japanese red army guy that really got to me tools

wait wait a

an image of eternity

but but dro has something similar was this was he's like he said there to give yourself a master he's like that is the point of philosophy

to give yourself a master just to be able to to not

be so vain to be so arrogant to say that there are not

people smarter and better than you but i think he's also smart

because uh he pick dead people

as his master's

in an are and then he continued on into the modern era if he past i the nineties you know to see it all come down but he still n saying because they were already dead

that'sobedient to the han of course but i was already a stalist was already analyss alre these things n a long ay

that's why i'm talking about warlordism

and socialistic nomadicism

because to me i think we live in an era

where we still do have a masters not maybe not people as master

masters

but we have to be responsible for our mass

can't just yes pretend it just exists out there

we actually have to

like on

we have to own up to

fact we are generating our own mass

yeah it's like a religious person religious people live

the where the s where you know the central figures rod in but that for thousands of years they still live with all this commitment their hearts a commitment their lives because it it's there it's written down

it does they don't need to be alive you don't need these living idols you can study and work and argue

and you know like stan where he's raging against you know the count muddists of marxism as he said because you know they were

like tlmu is arguing over the text arguing fighting

it's also important it's also alive

the text is that you know the text matters

a likeing german professor person whom i loved so much when she said like i had this professor who hated derridag he hated postmarism

and he went on stage was a copy of like a cot of shakespeare screen the text is the text the text is here in front of you

like you knows so that's the offer whatever

and the had a hart attack on stage

to carriy cat be carried away but in some ways i think with marks we can still do this we can still say that textas here

the reading is here the work is here

but the person isn't

there is no party to christ chiles is no

censor there is only our own work and our own labor that we can do on our own terms for better or for worse probably worse but we live in the worst world so

i agree that its gra i would just add the cavea that

the text also requires the mediation of an

that

and that's yeah important because if you don't have that you do have this kind of tal

dog

people think they know

essence of what

text is

but

fact

you really want to draw

that's

mmhmm

have the

that

yes

weork

war

it's a cakle

yeah you need to update it to the

temporary times by drawing out and distilling the essence of

tax

giving form to it

i

in accordance with

you know you because that you can really form cults around people who profess to

tell you that this is their true meaning

so yeah you have to have the kind

ster

well

i agree i think

that's so it's like trying to look at strauss youn knowough it's viil but i'm so curious in these people but sort of

you know retreated seralianism

for non sro you know not leftstriging or cocha talks about or hegel where he says i

myth is like philosophy expressed th a statics that facect

yes

truth to that

as a truce to that we operate on this especially we are apparently you know we primitivized in some way you know the culturized the educated

we do need aesthetics and we do need nests

and i think our current political landscape seems to show that the statics and like the irrational

is incredibly powerful

incredibly alive

you know i almost i almost don't like calling a miss

to me

i feel like

the baseline of some kind of

true reality

is itself being

put in motion and

to work

's kind of

thetic partiality

kind of like yeah creating beauty

to me

i feel like this is

all there

you know not not just aesthetics and

but i feel like it's almost kind of like the delusion stuff about the virtual in the act

the

aesthetics is where our actu reality is kind of ees ex point

is where our real reality is actually indeterminanate but also in the process of the

actualization

mm

yeah

they're done

no no no i no i

i didn't have anything oh i was just going to say it did but i didn't

i going to read a guy there's a really good poces called back i got

be right back

there's a really good podcast called aesthetic

on ca they're on red

i never heard

aren't they trying to create a city or something

black hammer

that's what jennifer

yeah

it's interesting because

it is weird and i don't want to join that city myself but

i wish them all the best of luck with their city you know

because at least instead of whining all the time they actually have some kind of goal

you know even if their goal will not turn out well

you might not

i mean at least

they're not only based on trolling

austin red garver

a lot of leftists only exists to

there there

game plan is to win over the all of the other leftes so

what that amounts to is constant trolling and harassment of every leftist and shit until everyone joins the

so i kind of

in

fascinated by hammer city

you know i'm a little fascinated by like this

orientation

but i would not

joined in myself

yeah i don't know

yeah yeah it's an interesting thing i feel like the main thing that i appreciated about that that that video on twitter

was just that you know he embraced that he was a clown you know and had had the clown baceed on because i feel like that's like how a lot of these organizations are but about the

i guess the same level of honesty

about

about what they are

yeah i mean i

it was definitely

what the fuct do

you you're o you're can't see me at all it is a black screen i thought you we a course that but yt black green

no what's

see i'm back

oh yeah yeah

sounds browsing sothig

the

i'm surprised we still have this many viewers

play

yeah on a sunday to ho you guys doing in this sht

you guys think

to sunday yeah youre right sundays always go's always kind of dead

yeah

oh he's

back with some

oh hey cocky

bellow

as i say the chacks i was just looking at it

so i mentioned spell jammer i remember fucking the

god i have one weak cag youarly mab i am ab

we're i'm going to module in our chat just so you can

oh b you can

so you can have the title and also

thes you can share links

as a as an m o i crave any official power and privilege

validation yeah

but someone just mentioned the static resistance which is a inos uh

her she is not hers but she's on it

don't sound ud

it's a podcast

i really really fucking like it because you have like an artist in japan

a very depressed but very bright sounding journalist like montreal

a guy ik in norway but he's from new york

and then tahina

mollycklined you know phoning in

and the four of them are just complaining about mass laws so it's almost pure boomer like

the mass security bll fuck all this but i like it because they're very they're all grumpy m ls and they're like over fifty

there's something beautiful and valid about listen to to those these people from new york being like this is terrible i hate it

of the you know i want to buy my soda my pot

like this is great i agree i agreed to it to a huge de cree and there's such a filter you know like a lot of bullshits just because people are young you know

yeah at young people are really fucking ull and boring

because they grew up with

with whatever new fengle you know schenigans they got going on so like what these old people who also just remember sometimes when something

they remember government services we don't have

i went to dinner with a bunch of people like over sixty a while back acuse i was in college

was not anymore was in college and i got by theairs professors

and welom was about how he used to go on welfare and then used the welfare money to go to europe every summer and it was like that's fucking amazing

and he was like that and he was like getting a monor shit

he like i would just go i would save up the welcom my am ust so your back seventies or whatever noer that's the coolest fucking thing ever i would do that i

i would do the exact same thing if i could

and he's like the worse things were the better they were

and that he like clean glasses with us he was hoping things get worse and i've i is before twenty twenty so so i hope i really hope he was right

the shit's going to get real nice bee

you'reselping

um

i've never been to folk and i've never been i never been outside of america i don't

he i have i haven't been either actually i kind of wish that id i would have like traveled more but i haven't been outside of america and only a few spots in america to be honest

i only traveled in twenty nineteen

and i've become one of those annoying americans wheres like i traveled once so now i the expert now but it it's really just more like i fuck and had a great time

it was so much fun

and it was just

fucking great i love dickon around europe and i also love how europeans like

culturally are impressed if you say oh yea have a t a in the philosophy department small college they're like wow you'res you're so cultured

like s re sure i am sure i's

sure and so you know so i was like sitting drinking was like a fucking like french executor and company and he's like oh that's great i wish i'd done that because you know culture is so important

so the gt was great it was great to have a cloud for no retle reason crowds being a slackeros to read books and to have a bunch of white much strike

richard europeans by me drinks so great time

does i recommend it

yeah i mean uh

is that what you're doing now you're still t

andh no i quit i totally quit becausey

here's something fucked up here's something

they want they want to s it a college my friend who still com me want he is to call students

on the phone

they're go to give them their number so they can call them

harass them into doing assignments

because these colleges have such a little engagement

was like students because it's like there's like a crisis like attention or it's like

it's hard to do classes during hoornan it's hard to do anything and you're just f like stuck home depressed and the wife seems so crazy its like why would you want if she called i can they realize this so they're trying to make the s like

harass students

for less pay

than they were getting before i wish

working wish

can't wait for the whole education system

completely collapse

sees in the building

i'm saying that its someone in law school now but you know what

if it collaps

then i would be forced

into like out in the open and i know for a fact my improvising instincts would

lead me to a creative outcom

of some kind

but

anything to leave law school

would be so fucking raymond

to get

imagine if i could like make a living off of what i love doing which is

this kind of shit

marxism in writing and stuff

streaming and all that kind of stuff is i've been thinking about that i mike what the bk do i do go i

how you i think it's a thing too it's likes for me i'm like

i've been given a false sense of pride a false sense of worth

where'm like no i need to figure out how to honor and become what people call it rifor wjich is an entertainer bas higer percent

because i'm like how do i like

sayments of mark wasn't the like hearing me talk how do i just sell me talking

i know people've done it so what i would just do that i don't like any

might as well talk

might as well it's all about calling bluffs you just have to put yourself out yeah fucking

just got to not give a fulk like who

like this is what i realize

who the folk is anyone to judge me behind your fock

he

you put about

you want to have this thing you put your focus of out there and then you let's see what you're made of you know i'm saying

it's true and it's also like people

sm to ascribe as like a seriousness the like if you're going to put something out there must really be worth something andn you see what they'resuming you know like that's not worred there watching chapel the whatever

which i mean fair enough i do't have much against them

but

they're about as serious you know quote quote anyone else

it's all just this is america we we are culturalist slobs and we

sje's got to give our opinions you know if you can do it well the why not it's almost like you've got to also call a

as

aesthetical

bluff that behind

the screen

yeah there's the promise of some perfect person or per personality

if you just put yourself all out there and all your flaws

and you do that first

and it's almost like you're beating to the chase

this bluff

that there's anything more than just us as flawed human you know i by this like yeah yeah

you just got to like call buks all around

know like yeah i think so this really is it

and

it's such a challenge to m s m and

legacy

uh entertainment media

because it's almost like you're also calling their bluff

bk

like i'm on screen right now we've got twenty people watching hes

and it's like

this is really what it's like

you know this is like you know this every time you turn on t v and you see m t v or

you watch like some shit on this in the news or

chris cooman was shit

literally dead

they they don't have anything we don't have

besides got money and production values you know what i mean

i think twenty people watching it good if you wentt to a bar to start talking loudly and twenty people a listening to you i feel pretty fucking good

ah

having twenty people listen to you is this something

and i think also part of this too is like i have friends who you tu shit which i never was but like watching them

like watch my friends so watch my friends watch these people like youill see like normal boring here watch really enjoy them

i think they just sort of put themselves out there to

it' kind like when you meet people you get along with somebody you don't you enjoy watching somebody you don't

there's something to just some guy from schwub you know

on the screen instead of someone in a nice suit was credentials who's been presented as a sort of semi human

thing

you know

don't quite get mainstream news appeal anymore i don't know why you watch the sort of plastic

college graduate you know i think i kind of i think i kind of get what it is because i spent some some time with family recently and they're all kind of older so they watch

uh you know more mainstream news but it's i think no one really agrees with the

no one really believes in it but there's some kind of like enjoyment in entertainment

that still comes in the experience of it even though like you don't

like

believe it

and even though you you don't buy you might even hate some of the people you're like watching but there's a

it creates like like some kind like an environment of entertainment and one that almost just like a bit appeal so use like base

your very base like political intuitions almost

you know that that's what i think it is it's like you want to know what there is

saying

you don't agree with them but you still want to know what

there

right right

yeah yeah you want to be in on it

mu

jake squadron is

loved recent video but could you guys elaborate as to why the e f

well i don't have that much time but

i'll just say that

i think they're the most advanced

socialist organization besides the communist party of china

power

i think they're the most they're the future

that's you

i think that in the digital and his digital information age we live in

another thing too is that their relation to aesthetics

is that the very

unlike the majority of socialist organizations even outside america

they seem to be unable to reconcile

the special

socialist culture with the

popular culture

right

and it seems like there's just this dissonance

between the closes

they don't have the cultivibe that

i get from a lot of groups that just tell you

the whole world is depravity and evil

only we're going to show you

good

int know

comkind of

what's the best way i could put it

i know nothing about what you're just talking about its culti vibe and like ast bravity and evil

like

greed to go back to to i wont i won't say the name to the the

spooky american group we were talking about before

but it's like the whole like cult fibre one

you know everything is prayed and everything is evil

on one hand i'm like yeah i agree everything is depreve

but to go to then say we will offer you this pure vision thats be shits like tak in your group this is a safe space that will protect you from the i don't

u

yeah i was just thinking like i do

the the only part of that the whole alright bullshit and back in twenty sixteen when was really kicking off and you'd see those voices where sometimes they would just say the world is evil

and we live in an evil world

and were just living in it sometimes i would see that little glimmer was in their bolshit and now always sink with oh that's interesting it's an interesting little glimmer which j ist like everythings already sold out everything's garbage everying is trash

he saw that was like the yang gang people where some of them were always like oh i used to believe in this this and this for give you my thousand dollars

i was like it's pathetic and weird it doesn't valid

way no i like that understandable like yeah nothing seems to be good just give me something

i i almost wish i would

like people attack like some like sos down you know some social democrat type peop twitter for that i'm just like no i mean

a wrong

i'll no way out

they seem

is miserable and they want something decentla i mean

i completely agree with everything you say basic

all i meant was i

more in the sense of like groups

that try to hide the world from you

yes

you know they try to that's dangerous they're like they're like don't watch this movie because yeah this movie is going to poison your mind and

you know that's what i mean

yeah because they th that with everything like we flight with philosophers with movies people it's so it's crazy it's

yeah it's like we're talking abot theml before w its like there is no central committee party be like

don't read this don't do that it's reactionary it's like

we don't have any authorities for

which is probably a bad thing i just we don't so i just don't ptend we do

i feel like american communists which is always bottom feeding off of

the soviet union's actual state like the that was

believe it or not they don't understand that

that wasn't some ay

mysterious central authority that was actually a state that was en comompassing a lot of yousationalities and territories and people

you know

s a real decision

go to cage a be called american and communists apparently

a shit eaters

it was apparently their term for white american conpes

it's still true it's still true you know it's because the sys we'rere eating our shit they're eating you know our arbors we're still punking out they're always like a step behind so they felt

so the were the shit eaters

my god it's brutal

okay

yeah i mean

i think most companies should eater most people are good intention

but

you know i feel like the left

and communist and people this mill you

it's so dangerous just because

these are the people who think they've acquired the absolute

good

in truth as a remedy for everything

and this

very easily gives rise

to a lot of

bad abuse

and yeah and pathologies and psychotic type of

evil

instance

you know because it's religious its become yt and not one of those people who's like thins that o the word religious always mean something that is literally religious when you think you

you know received this like sure perfect

truth that you must spread and everyone who does not share it you know is pure evil

i don't know how any one living in fucking twenty twenty one in america could think they have anything good of pure

because i don't see the results of that at all i don't see anything that seems

that decent in this country it's like it's like religion without the history in the depth

and the meaning in the poetry of it yeah it's like it's like religion without any of the actual like kind of deeper more meaningful aspect of it

it's just that kind of purity and

yeah it's yeah it's like kind of purity complex the

like beautiful soul mentality you know you know what pisses me off to is that

you know i know

i know that

wasn't there a there was a commenter on our video or something that was like talking shit to us

and you know what triggered me that you had a follow up three

profile picture like do

you're just marxist leons you're just playing fallout three like the rest of us like what do you have you know what i mean

are you

what right you have to

be so like this phrase monger talking about all this stuff it's like yeah

what what where's the authority of your words you know like you're just playing fallout like i was yesterday

you don't have that secret i don't you know you're

it's like

you profess all this

posturing and shit but at the end of the day what are you doing you're going on you watching anime or something and you're going and

you're playing a

fuck and elder schools

yeah

that should drives me crazy and twitters and feel self conscious

should i post this is meanandering nonsense for no reason

aren't they supposed to be people you know subscribe to the stupid fucking account which is a stupid name cocky exactly the story on anything was kind of the point of why you sid screen that's why we nonsense that's why we had to put cd in our title because yeah say cockey duty

people because it's from a fuck and brooksmth it's from a comedys be stupid but the sam tim also like i guess people want to hear me say sts and just posting wor it's like i want to seven eleven today

and i look at other accounts are like posting like you paragraphs of like you know

be all the thouht and analysis of one of serious and

and then

it's bullshit it's all bullshit because the ges it's not bullshit to think and to analyze and to have an intellectual life and to read to try to understand what's going on and tell people but it is bullshit to pretend

that you're somehow this an anatronistic i guess fucking time traveling you know communist functionary

you know from the fucking stirties or forty's has shon up to tell

everybody you know how to be a real comy that's stupid

there's no party in this country that centralizes no power

there's no anything

i mean

there's nothing

even the q and on people can get their stupid shit together and there's some sort of violent bizarre colt that seem to have a level faectves beonuse like a left with bster you guys see the video of alex jones going off on q and on

yeah i did it was funny it was it was very funny i ind kind on i want to there's someone in the shit

on no most that's very true that harry potter

i

alexander where are you the ones of infrared vision and why is the american left

well i mean if

whether there's something that

distinguishes us from the american left

is up to you

you don't think so and you think we're the same you don't have to watch

but

we're just trying to give expression to what we think

does

separate

but

that's the proof is in the putting

you don't

you can't see that the

you don't have

so we we're also we're not saying we're special in the sense that

we have some party in that

you know we're just trying to open your horizons guys we're not trying to

so i told you that last night said i'm a clown too ok i'm not trying to

i'm not trying to be like the

commander of

the the

the viewers

yeah

hey

a as much as i like dislike like the whole chapel miliu

i someone sent me that their first chapter of their book

like when they had like a preview or something it was actually fun because i just remember the bit whed ss like there's like a half ass

a gramshanism brom shanism you know running through american culture

where it's like you know a battle for culture must be waged and that's actual political struggle and they sort of sauid like this is the problemse liberalism is the prolem alse ofbse us and everyone else and that we're all just fighting over culture and that's where our battle is

and i was like and i was sort of pleased with my that seems very self aware i i agree with that you i think that's my problem

i think it's a lot of people's problems i think we're i'm trapped in

just speaking about culture because materially

i am

doing free fucking good not amazing that

non danger

so i can just keep babbling about

culture and view and image sttic all these things and all those things matter

but i think when people want this like total view it's difficult i don't

to get to to tally to get to something that i don't quite know

out of but to get and i think that's one of our problems american western left us

i sorry interrest yeah i was going to say i think the whole like cultural like

battle is

als inevitable

um like i i feel like it's not necessarly that like uh like americans are like doing the wrong thing by being part of this like kind of cultural

'sc and i feel like anevitable

and it's kind of like it all depends on

flag

almost like having the right cultural position i believe the problem of american cultural politics and left wing politics

it's like it's always this university culture right is always a the stablishment

and institutional culture

h that yeah it's always this like elitis establishment institutional culture we have almost like the opposite of of a cultural revolution you have like this reassertion of

uh you know uh institutional culture

yeah

u

go have

the what is our rule what is inferendial

all we want to do is create a

alternate frequency on the fourteent dimension that you can tune into you know like just an alternative current

basic

you know

ah i guess that's it like

we don't

all our role is that we want

to give you an alternative perspective

that you can tune into

and

you don't have to

a

except

the limited

uh

confines of the dogmatic

type of

as a senor

you know alexander one way to think about it is just are are you know when we yeah we yeah but we first like you know decide to start this challele because we just wanted to present

you know what we are we know what's been building up and the what we've been discussing is stuff like that for years and we're just presenting

that now it in an object of you know public way

that's all really all it really is

it's almost like there's always this

there's always like these

channels of wavelengths and shit

that people are always going to be

ah

in tune with so we're just trying to create another one

and see where it goes you know

ah

it's like m

it seems like it's very conservative because we're not volunteeristic and we're not going to tell you to go out on the street and shit

we're just

but we're just a

eight

kind of center of communication

makes sense

yah

think it' is always a good idea to have a conversation goe because

you wonderful now

yah yeah i mean it

it's like none of this is given to you know

this some

giving form to like what's going on in the world and left

it's not given you know

yeah someone alexander post when i broke the left of the wok no home i think the's one thing i kind of

i liked about i think w we got a lot of twitter uh

it may and o other people it'ss like if you break with certain ideas s like thught you start to have no home

and unfortunately there seems to be a huge home where your only break was left in culture it's like your hom transfer it or your raice whatever thoseill be always in home

yeah they do because they create a little group that's defined by their own victimization all the trens yeah cancelled

and then you do the reverse the use all the same sort of that whole ideas this reverse and they have great time sure it's very fun to be one of those assoles

but if you're just like

i don't necessarily

have any

urged to hate a warrior trik to the graphic of people other than like

oh no fucking you know you're supposed to hate if your fucky comy you supposed to hate

nal government and so on

i feel like

i feel like the only group of people that i actually like thisslike or other left is pretty much true very true but here's my question

for cocky

i wanted to ask severbt but i just remembered

do you have any haters

ive haters

do you like on twitter or anywere in the wider world in the wider world i dein are like like you know like

does cocky duty the blogger and the

public meer have haters

i do

a there is a guy who's to e maail me all

and then when i had like a curious that was normal to have those twitter coounters a few group of people who were just accused me of like weird shit constantly like what tell me how like they would say like oh your bs i got your facts

or oh you're sry they the'll say like they'll alternate between you coming up straight or get it

or like some trien toell me what i was and they would also say stuff wor like you're you're narcissistic fk coorse some like narsystic

the soliciting strangers to talk to me online as narcissistic actor

it wants attention i'm drunk on line right now it just was going onsensicals that never took a seriously haters but never

what in the e mails what were the e maails the e mails were like

i hate you kill you i sink you know just and he mentioned h i was curious ca i did respond it was kind of funny he di jokesre you the reason i're just fucking weird ose the reason i'm asking is because it's like

are there just haters for no reason is that yes because i feel like i think you haven't goten anything

that

would i've done shit that w that i'm asking for haters you know bas our past dreams and shit

but

i feel like you' just going to have haters for no reason at all

like that guy e maailed you say that's stic yeah to kill is what it re does that was nothing i was a or want a response

and i do nemberight haeters whmy first resltwhere and i deserved m

because all my friends are a weird accelerations twitter people

and i'd won my early followers with fucking nicklay

so it's like

yeah that's large sg shitdy shit

i' uan quality too the urban future and the outsidess right

yeah you've got to not outside i he fallos on the secret semi secret one

h prety cool pretty cool yeah i thought they were funny i thought it was kind of cool becaus that's fun

but so i hate it for that reason is it's fair

and i so i still remain proud like here's a here's a

infrared exclusive

think of nickolann there's a funking tweet that goes viral every once in a while where it's nickolann talking about burning popcorn

i don't know if you've seen that but everyonce while i wrote that that's fake i mean i made you road

yeah i did a slash aed it were you make n to the screing cap well believes your to slightly you know that's a huge infraredy the you guys only get there you gos yeah

that's ny exposive because every time i see it i do feel a narcissistic like i did that

everyone's making you know i was have everones laugh you know i've contemplated

um

if we should ever ask nick to come on

but

the racism stuff is kind of

is a racist he sides that's that's kind of

that's kind of what makes it

not good p r and op yeh and it's sa id message

but

otherwise some discomfort

whis it off and on i'm like

it's on i don't

i'm completely fine with like the libertarian a his politics that's completely fine he's such an interesting guy

just

sometimes he says some

y yeahs the eugenesis weird was pretty funny you know who i guess just jet whos i would sayj you know wh right yeah is of course yeah well theic him and thequin

and there was it when they ut yeah their friends and that were n teaching course on like an online college and he says i want to be an instructor here

and he and i will put together like a course

like that was real so likean attempted thing i could bk two years two or three years ago

so give nicol and that you tried to go in the weird races you try to get a black guy mad professor it's got to be you know land doesn't strike me as

this is something a lot of american lters don't get

you you don't have to be personally racist

view i feel

end is like metaphysically racist one push out the he's racist but

isn't strikings racist on aan

course

apparre on a personal level he's very sweet

and also on the personal level he will rant and rave about the bourgeoisie and how they you know

but apparently at dinner he's like go to buy that wines bushe wie

honestly with those people is easy not e's european maybe i'm wrong but everything about his personality i think

he seems like a good guy

just personality based

mae a personal he's apparently sweet

okay i hope ya

sweet guy but s why's not a shit

yeah yeah

exact

racest racest grandpa

ya i mean um

he's definitely had a profound influence on my

better we to whether i want to admit or not still at this i start reading him and marxs and all these people basically at the same time

leded

and stuff

it's it's almost good to read because he has like a great stylized the static version of the sil ca valuy bullshit they try to sell us he's got the cooler versions of what peter tal and all these people are trying to hoist on us where it's like a magic society were capitalis but you know

turned into a

a user experience where you log in to your country period blah blah blah all that shit

he sells that image

better than people actually sung me

yeah i mean um

you know i don't there's a lot of things that

i just kind of take for granted

fee like

from land

including the kind of

but i feel there's a lot of landy and dogmatist ot

unlicoe people were too dogmatic

or definitely landian dogartill certainly we

from being in that little i was in like a fucking reading group starts like a reading group turns a slack channel

and so i went o mds don las

slack is slack is used by companies so employes talk

it's a corporate like messaging apt

i've never heard of it

it creates like private chat rooms

for corporate work it's like a's like a company's use

all we use that which

inrebly appropriate really

is it like encrypted

ah i guess in its own weird way yeah

it's like guys

stop saying two ourtream

the

arky ke onh so

i said in the description this is going to be a quick

very

ra

uh cocky hairs for the lows of the low i agree taxpayer money

yeh

i agree with you

i'm just sups you

had ha

i feeling

very

i had a small caquadre of devoted hares not really going on a big way

it's got to be one person

come

it seems to be like two or three guys beuse they have very similar voice i think they're british too so i will

ll so that is there you talk a lot of shit about anglostimes i feel bad about it because there's anglos i like

having actal to call them angls there's people english people i like

yes anglo has become like a

thik

derogatory words

the registrys

but like as even even nick land i don't

i like nick land in a sense

i don't i see that for me anglo is like just the type of dogmatism you know and i just very common pattern of

i

those type of people who just

don't understand dialect schal thinking in the always be like

well you're using that word and that's not the true definition and proper it's like do chut the fok of

yeah yeah

i remember that reminds me on like

on a slack you can also likecept all sort macrosen of a word pops up will instantly respond with something and remember someone on the like accelerationis discussion slack put it so like every time you said dialectics

a little message will pop up saying that's the like stupid version of cybernetics or something like that

which is gobi most nickelambeon

ya i reallygree

yeah me too

but i remember that becust remind me of that yeah i

the anglo thing

there's something

there's something really perverse about some people who are just so obsessed with this image of like liberal rationalism that's what i mean

even when it seems to be the most

non rational and deep un set of light

beliefs

and i hate the word i so i've just come to hate the word nonsense

because marxist yeah the marxist ww we say all that's nonsense a f f fundamental anglo pathology

but yess people

themselves

why themselves i guess

do have a unique thing going on and i have nothing against

yeah

yeah i i've had nothing but great encounters with like

bking english people in real life a was very nice and i feel like our general

sory

i feel our channel's aesthetic is kind of

english a little bit

future is

english i don't know some i think someone said that

hmm

sos fun i like the sound of that

yeah i

i also apologize to people if if i'm extending like the chat beyond people's endurance i came on later

no no aso

i'm also such a fucking talker

but this this dream you've you've been uh

last our first

the show

then't know why wouldn' you stream in the beaches

in the beginning i don't know why we did the show form but

we both talk

crazy life

i think we got five hours

yeah something insane like that was great

on and we talked fast to i'm talking really slow toay

yeah i'm pretty sedve i oen sibm

alternate between drinking my old fucking screwdriver and my energy drink

yeah

sw prot i hoes sy don't know how to play d and d

it

it's a yeah i don't know if it'd be great for a stream

i'd fight d nd on the stream if so stupid that sounds

i think that would be so frustrating and like a funny way i want to have a gaming stream but i don't know why i just

whaty does' need to onstream and do that

do it if my computer could run it that games addicting destiny it is someone i don't know who aded me

but my like

steam app thing on twitter recently so most people have me someone's been playing destiny too constantly every tiinge i see themy shut ever install

but

i wonder what's a really streamable game

hody

you know i want i was talking to our russ

because i don't want to stream it

right but i just wanted to check it out like see what was going on

but think amost anything streambole this is fun to look at thiss my feel

ing cruelty squad to to rep my friend's game they made

i've been seeing it on the t o i just didn't understand what it was

my villa bll coio

ah

a good a good uh sort of tanky uh good m ol guy live in finland he made uh his own

first person shooter

oh it's and it's on steam and everything

yes ontamment twent bucks on the sty those homes is it's really good that's foc something does something we really good

what is it called cuelties the you put it in that's your friend yeah yeah cruelty squad

cool

that's great no yeah

you know i kind of i kind of do feel like we should like do

like maybe like social gaming streams sometimes i don't know

it seems like something worth a trial at least you don't really know what it's going to be ti you know give it a going because it seems like it you know

because sometimes i just want to talk

but i also want to

not get bored while i talk ises it make sense yeah right

there's totally something it's going of a quick ways to talk on the phone back phones existed

yeah like walking down the street and talking on the phone is kind nice

mhm exactly ga and gaming while chatting ad a headses kind of experience you you moving somewhere

kind of uct to be zone out a good way

but it't great

you know my biggest like red it game that i actually like

but i ca proud of it all because it's the most ready game of all time

is nog stre g

is what no mans oh no man's go i haven't i don't have that place there's nothing like a game where you can actually get in the ship

and fly to different planets and land and they're all different and they have different like

floor and on m shad

some fun some fun i mean my parent makes me think i

that's what used to like the first massivefect if you see my set up right now like i have pretty big screens

absolutely

it's a crazy oh shit double the double scare i just set it up today i set p a double

nice i was for i was pretty excited about the game when it came out i just never got to buying it though but i really love the concept of it just like this

you know generate this universe that's like

you know continually being generated in all this you know variety and

awesome stuff

mat j

dude i wish i could get outside i used tot i usually i ten in the summers of

it's just that it's

i

the i live in michigan and the

i hate it you can't

being outside is not for humans right now you know

it's like supposed to be in the cave whatever hibernating this

i dread going outside i just fucking hate the cold and i never used to but quarantine just did that yeah

i used to love walking in the winter and shoud i grew up in f chicago michian all the i'm used to shitty cold weather and i live somewhere now this is not that cold and shitty

you know amazing how little i walk around colds i actually was visiting chicago not that long ago i was i was b but i was born there but i moved to the south like while was very young but i was visiting back there not to long ago and yeah it's a

it's a it's pretty it's pretty cold there it's ith it look it's like in america

you have like places that are so different from other places where you have almost like these completely like

it's almost like going to a different country in fid of the same country you know yeah chicago's its own place for sure yeah yeah i own weird little city states chicago's a tough city i just whenever and it

when i went there it's just like damn do this the city's evil this city this city is trying to eat me everywhere yeah

yeah like even re place even going to a chicago gym that was like in downtown chicago

i went inside this gym and it was just like such a horrible feeling i had

i can't explain to that i'm just going to say trust your intuition on that it's entirely correct chicago people do not like people i think new york i was like ok people are rude

but i never felt disliked orun welcome

wherever i was in new york

but in chicago the di just growing up there e like you're going back and forth from there in suburbs

oh yeah you feel like the vibers wce its like i wish you were dead i wish you weren't here a so often

i i kind of i just fuck and love michigan man michigan such a cozy place and i love the big great lakes

like i swim in the fuck in lak michigan all the time

that's it f you know

it was great michigan is like

to me it's like the ultimate state for me because

it's not on the coast in front of the big oceans won' be sold by the ocean

but it's also not landlocked

and yeah somewhere it's like the perfect state for me you know yeah

my grandfather had a buck in a house in michigans go to was a kid

on on a lake whose name is verriy not

politically correct anymre the name of fle area we're lag of people named all the shit out there was so fking cool the you swimming out there connected to lake michigan aerios out la bat

just be in the water like tires and like rusted trucks and shit bl u out there not snakes

it was so fun i love

ah

the great fun and chales us share

and no i'm just the press not as mis mid west

what about west now i live in mormon country

dude i everywhere i've been in america just made me wlang to go back to the midwest i just

yeah i love the wide open spaces flatness exactly i wentt to w i wt to germany and i saw this the endles like flatness like this is wh germans like wisconsin why they loved it so m id love germany the i would fulk and if it's i just saw endles sort of grey yellow hills little bits of woods and dow people and like sweat pants and like tracks

just scowling ns like home that sounds beautiful russia has some of that to sam pearsburg feels like

if somehow somehow it's not somehow combined to feel chicago is like versailles

one city

which makes no sense until your that makes sense to me that makes sense yeah i met someone she was from chicago sh wl my dad's ag i was talking to her of barnce and peersburghe see chicago now so i guess you've got exactlyh

and she like that's why i love living in sa petersburg she's like a group of chicago

and now in europe i have a city that is grey

way

cold

kind of unfriendly but kind of

good the same time there's some wholesomeness to it

you know you know you know the weird the weird thing about places like chicago thou is like while there are very very rough places to live there's so much culture

like there's s in these kinds of places but

a very unique culture to

i think's probably she was tut to is much good music canut chicago when she lived there she was thever house and she was there but the weird industrial shit

the mising

okay okay interesting yeah ya you second

the more chat

yeah the yeah yes that's one thing is chicago has like a lot of lot of great musical talent but also even just down to like normal stuff like the food even the food is like very unique

different and like its own its own kind of thing you know

yeah oh god the food

yeah yeah yes food is why i'm fact my god so heavy so y amazing food

nw

the that this is why i can't be completely kne jerk anti american because i'm like no too much cozy nice associations

honest was like america on a regional level im like oh no don't get it the snow and the food and the

however it's good to

full of you know where you live or whatever it like it's because it's because this is why and this is why i think liberals just don't have a good time is because there are places in america that have interest right but then there are other places in america where just like this kind of very bland

like abstract kind of just like like suburbs for example yeah kind of i don't know what they are just kind of bland and kind of nothing almost you know

r preate barracks or something you know in michigan at least

the it's always the like the red

areas that have the most fun

parents yag

like i think you know what ann arbor right

yeah yeah i'm supposed to be there this fucking summer yh theyre the and that would be there right

prepared

to like the semi suburban liberal places is what i mean

real michigan is just

where people have

that's where i used to go as a go kalmazoo now

yeah dude i i love it we call it like here we call it up north you go up north yeah

dud and then there's the mackinaw bridge and shit

u it's not that's almost like i'm a michigan nationalist

not hmn just america have us attachment to mission

no

and ya

that's i fucking this miss i know if i can go back on this

but apparently we are no longer all disease vectors

i don't think it'll ever end i don't i agree that's what i'm starting think it's going to be one of those things where you do't last so long by the time it does and you're going to forgot you're going to forget when it started you know and you know wraunp myself in plastic wrap

and america someone called me anti vas for this but i don't give a flog

i'm not taking that vaccine i'm just not i don't trust i wouldn't

i was just talking to friends about that talk to my dad my dad it was like

corporate america guy blah blah is also

black iron southsi chicago group in the seventies so he l backcine he was like o transition

oky weing close was trsition that and i was kind of like i

nts you was like you know i kind of why wanted the same time we're both as like i doing this like basically trying to say

want take that

thank

it's a file a majority it's a file a majority everyone i've met everyone i've met

decides really liberal kind of

tick talk people everyone i've met doesn't want to take that vaccine

i know people who want to take it but they want to take it withre they also go

take it but you make a noise so i wouldu be risk whatever or may be a but

i want to just get through this there was a pass you know so

give it but

theygn go sout wen really heard that

right nx you're saying and i'm almost that level of all right shoot me up with whatever the

that is

it's almost like i'm not anti vacs it's just

why do i have to take the m r and a one you know yeah baks let's be capital let's shop around let me try yeahyeh cently the whole country of mexico it just signed off on that one ar mic underwrit history quiteit

i'm i'm going to try theirs

the one the one i least would want to take in the the american one yeah exactly because the spo thing is a new technology but it's been trying to test this in seventies

but the chinese vaccine is just the normal that yes sos reat i love me i w we had access i would we had access like buying buying the chinese vaccine because i would probably should

we should i mean wre you knowy yeah another thing about the china boycott is that

i was able we switched the hoverrizon

and i was able to get a new phone for free

and i really wish we i could have gont the fa phone

because i'm an and i use android i don't know how to use that

so

um yeah

whaway phones look really cool they look really sick in russias kind of course wrey people have cha wle

yeah and running out th was it was cool i mean it's crazy py look shitty and cool at the same time like

it's crazy how like america is just like clothing itself all from the rest of the world now you know yeah yeah

ands uh

of podcast whre the interview boris groys about the vaccine and the vaccine indeed a quarantine sorry

you golsot the internet and the guy he grows at a point where he's like where's you know the internet been defineds a space unlike every other space wheres the internet being fined on a nationalistic level you know s

sectioned up between the american internet and chinese internet

extce and then he said this like

like virus bess he is identical are prepared for computer viruses isolation thse now you know once again we have isolation you know from physical spaces he's like they all mirror each other all the same trend that all happened before

and he was like in this very bored voice hejt like it's just like before war on do't worry about

it was great it was

i mean he's do horrific things in a very was way which what was kind of fun to listen to but there was a point where he was just like america is isolaateing itselfs done be foro this we're haing o we're having you america first thing even though the biden

i think we still have doesn't in to very we mean it

the sense of american like isolation where it's still like oh yes all these countries are doing terrorism and they're all evil the're all bad i'm still pushing that shit i think it'sy

yes

i think it'll be

s a realk sory real quick the guardian ha putting oar courts as k gv agents as trumpisation of influence of the guardian's number one story

yesterday so we had pushing all the shit

i think it's even more extreme with bd th in the democrats because like

that's i mean i feel like that's like objectively like what the like democrats represent is like this holding off

of america like this kind of like internally externally like censoring everything and allse russian conspiracies like russia is doing this russia is doing that

it yeah that's i mean that's yeah that's i think that's objectively just what the democrats represent yeah they represent america first for liberals because they're soill saking america's you own country that civilized basically nveryone else you knows totalitarian

you know hell state

it's the same shit just in a mad hour instead of i don't know fucker

trumpets have

i know who their guy was for news

you know it's always this kind of fantasy of like these

civil society type of like

professional people

who feel like

they're going to be overrun by these swathes of vulgar masses

feel like that's what they associate russia with

which we did stream

discing like of wash and shit reacting to one of his videos

and one of the videos he was like

the russi hee said russia is a demonic court that's going overrun liberal democracy and i was like that's the quintessential crux of it

isn't

yeah

it's a horrid that you know

yellow pearl style shirt

yeah or this eastern hord or even wor one like groys was talking about you know the hun

exact you know ya

it's the same weird shit this this non western western power is going to show its true face and swarm us

the exactly and it's like the western individual

is under threat by the

because you know eastern societies are more collective you know more yeah

the cowboy must stand against this nameless faceless hoor

yeah

i really see

time

oh this is a three hundred i'll never forget cedars swills teenagers and we my ad we want to see it

and funking out that narrator

that was where he's right we we sayd something where he's like the sabage

that he showeds like people like burkas like weird massms and shed and in the narrator where he's like where he's like they worshipped a savage god you know he was like this crazy race of seeing a fobor whatever the fuck word you know to use

but that

the view

w were know is actually w

i think liberals right yes you're right it is actu what you are fighting i know savage horn

i feel like um

you know okay so the director zach snyder of three hundred

yeaht randy

but i love his movies so much but

and including the batman and those ones and i want to know this nyighter could have just th so bad i want to do real

but i really want to ask that

but im i'm going to explain why in a sec that's ok thing but im

he has like some raindy his dee depiction of the persians is like worshipping his dark god is precisely because

it's like

you know how with

the

there's always like this

dualism between

type of surface level religion of whit and like

the idea of

platonic idea and stuff and then you also have this kind of

so you know the game destiny with the dark traveler

yeah

and he was was like a minikian yeah exactly minikian

maanickyan how you say you know that heresy yehre is it persians

the thing that's animating the persians

for snyder

is ultimately not xerxes that even xerxes himself is subservient to this deeper force

and i

i kindt fok with that heavy

i al was i'm on the side of the persians like im that's my they were cooler that's my idea of like what marxism

is bas

you know

they were they were more fun and they were sexier in that

they had they were pple style and shit in the three hundred yeahs kind of seemed really uptight

yeah they seem really weird and they seem like shitty they seem want vikings from old fifties

it like old fifty b movies was names like king versus the serpent or whatever

they came they seemed like they came out one of those ight ones like hello blah blah blah all talk like this

yea the thing about justice league is again is this theme of

how do you make

the transition from individuality to a group and see snyder is really smart he's a randian

and angran people do not believe in um

they don't think

that a state

is real

collective yeah for them

only individuals exist

i think that's the heart of his dan eymate

the heart of his what

he made the dawn the dead remake all i mean he're on the dead remake

i think has that fill it's only the individuals a real individual survive is complete the opposite way of the original

where it's about if you can relinquish individual in fororm a group from individuals that that's when you have safety

is sort of i would

sort of extrapolate from the original

because they once they step sacrifice for each other and things arelitt better

while the i while in to remake it seems to the opposite the more you trust people the worse it goes he knows what he's doing he's doing it on purpose and he do yeah the justice league

the whole movie is about this mellow drama his cut i promise he was going to be like this

it's going to be about the melodrama of how do you make the transition from the super

hero individuals

and it's i almost love it because this's it's a it's very poetic and it's like

it's apocalyptic and it's

geological and it's it

tr

what do we what you call it it's like um

mythical and there's

bild in hurricanes and storms and shit

and it's all of this stuff is going because there's a struggle between

it is

the melodrama of the individual

becoming a collective of some kind andterest i find that way more persuasive for the situation in america because we all americans are allin randy and

yeah

down compared to m c u which is really

grand

just

c y kind of like the corporate fake collectivism and

which is

why you see all these gifts of like kamala hares joe biden the democrats

yeah avengers

lining him to beat up danelson

i hate that aesthatic so much ite it's so no it so bad

i know but here's something you was like what to do all streaming now that's a streaming of that

fakay

you know we tell the viewers

we're going to watch this movie

turn on the movie at the same point we do

and we're the commentary track

now that'd be fun

that would i would do that that

you know what

there's also got to be some d mc a free movies we can watch too

yeah yeah yeah

some of a lot of the older stuff is a lot of older stuff is

yeah

but i'm just saying even with like you know i

like god amazon is on wron withhm show like that we are now going to watch the max snyder ckut of something

ve the infrared view

contribute to that

sow prolet i've never read

col you guys know that michael moore ah

i love michael marka

oh yeah

miyel markog was or is he still alives like eighty

o

you were like elric you're always like

fantassic fancy like sort source you know i all wrote

uh like like um these like alternative history sings that kind of got to his

the sort of tragic steam punk kind of comes from him but he wrote a book with lendon his character crebly entertaining

why

main character refers to o naine as grandpa in the whole book and he lives inunlik the fuckablepon in a blood in japan

it's a good book that's great writt some good books he a he's a weird anti sta this sort of dronskis ericas guy in thek

who wrote in crazy so i find fancy

well yeah when i was a teenager i read a little bit of his stuff because i was i was into kind of like just checkon out fantasy and sci fi and stuff and i don't know i don't really get into it but i

it was interesting when i was when i was younger i didn't delve as deep as deep into him and thogh as you did

yeah

hes worthra someone mentions epic pooh and that's his essay which i do recommend that epic pooh is about me the pooh and like starship troopers and i bore the rings and how it's like pastoral fascis

uh narrative

where it's like middle class you know it's not the try middle class over working class ws like you know it's like saying it's not coincidence

that all of a sudden like

or the rings or its are swarthy people with cocky accents and they get slaughtered in theyre evil they represent you know youl shire turned into you knowdustrial

yet bvisally uses allw thes a classic fancy sy people g reactionaries and he's correct

the

did we mention the last ringbar in our last

talk

of think of them that book

p the russian the wird russian book yeah you know the response

that that book just the premise sounds really cool to me i really like

yeah

i like the association of the eastern

society with the kind of enlightenment and renaissance

science and a

yeah

took a big thing running spill like i thought a compilation like russian science fiction it's interesting of the the fight the soviet union was like each india

mmhmm

and like sisian civilization and stuff like that they're really big on which some modern russian nationals are big on that too it's interesting to see it from the soviets

where it's likely depict a future where the's a sanskrit based programming language

that's i came from the soviet union i thin that's kind of funlwy love that

that

russians do have a strange fascination with india

it do what some of their words are like

the same like the word for like

like if you want to light in rushi you sad got me gotn me

that's like fire

that's also like the hindu god fire the word hasn't changed it's because of the the

the indo european languages right

yeah it's they kept some of the words almost completely unchanged so they have this weird

and that's why you have crazy nationalists and raights like you know russian real area

outlet type of sign ya

definitly a few of those people

you know the the are the strangest thing is like whenever i feel like i study world history

i

it really completely destoryes like the typical western notion of like the nation sty in like also multiculturalism just because you have all these like

especially like in your asia you have all these like

people just moving around and you know yeah yeah like i watched this one video of

about this like african king in the middle of india

i think i know what that

yeah yeah his name i think was mleak ambar

and yeah i don't know it was just cool to see like how

them

the way they ot of cultural exchange and like people moving around and stuff back then

yeah the cultural exchange was something that is like really

like under you get under represented or under talk about

i go i

like last year i was and i take a basics like humanities class and read like

was it

fucking ilien the gazi and shit

and the part where it's like oh yeah the's a mercenary my par and then teachers like oka he's supposed to fromy iran he's supposed to be from ethiopia's supposed to be i was like

wait really and a gainst in greece and ight jo yeah

means a boat it's not that far

they want money they want gold so they shut it up

i was like oh that makes sense

but the same time

part my brain is still just

i don't know that old view of history that sort of like shitty not quite accurate vie of history wt as a kid where it's like everyone was in their perfect little area and america commit the original sin

colonization

like they seem to almost like make america special even sus bats it's almost like howmer history is everything that happened first happens through america

we were there the melting pot the first melt yeah yeah before rome before any of these you know previous empires you know that's straddled continents america was somehow the very first it's a i was taught that so consistently as a kid and meanw likey nationalities yeah i'm pretty c i was in russia there was like a siens like o twenty two ethnic groupsy language you know

the wors something i'm pretty sure the origin of evolutionary psychology because it's like those fifties

like

funny cartoons that it's like

first there was the caveman with the nuclear family and the wife and the kid yah and then the caveman became the roman and the roman

eventually became the king in the king

then the people said we don't want kings no more and then they moved to america we got freedom

basically yeah it's like rome you know capement area that's all you need to know

yeah

or like i missed a few things in

greece

yeah grease and maybe you'll show some nights just cool

yeah maybe you'll go like bais because

you got read that middle school or whatever this

there's always in america there's this kind of consistent

them i don't know what to call it is there a word for this you know way more than me about these

terms

like for example

you know how americans kind of have this mentality that it's like

we're all different in the world but handsomeone a burger and they can be in

hand hand someone a burger in the amazon rainfest no damn finger linking good

you know what i mean likey

what is this kind of like

certainty americans have that

the end of the day

in a sense

they already know

what everyone you know i mean by this or not

yeah

i guese even the king

i think i guess part of this is that term its banded around a lot like you know like american exceptionalism where america is like god's country chosen you know

to stand out from the rest of the world is the exception to history the exception to every rule and therefore exists before and after and so one because it's part like a divine plan

but it's also that like americans just kind of feel like

they get it that everyone's different that we all have different cultures but there i at the end of the day what works works and it's like

you have we all like mcdonald's you know

i think part of that is almost like a false american pragnmatism that's what i mean yeah it's the prag yeah yeah what's what's funny i so that the german professor mentioned she's studied she's from german which she studied american pragnatism in a serious academic sense

which

to hit her up again were supposed to do a go reading on that fascin but she talked about how when she ex studed aerican pragnatism in serious way

should reach out to other you academics and b banch

study this and they would say oh i didn't know you were stalling this

that would be the response a lot of times apparently stalin was big on some of the american pragnats cinkers school of philosophy

because it was about pragmatism and i thinkre's even a things quote from stall wre he's like you know like soviet ingenuity was american pragmatism yes blah blah blah yeah something like that china do too they study of the american pragmatic

yeah which seems like a good idea i mean america's got rich and powerful and fucked everyone so

obvious we're good at being being pragmatic

i thinh

being bastards at least but she but she like that was consistent continues i was like stist and i think thats

sort of hilarious i think that's how i am i'm a stst in that sense like

i' would like

the pragmatics but it's not only the pragmatic

if that makes

yeah you know what i mean like

i fel pragmatic america american pragmatic

have an issue which is that

china it's adopting all of the pragmatism

but it's still preserving

china por

fact that it's a yh particular

civilization

not just like

abstract

grit

but i think it's sort of the battle that's going on america was a whole saying of like

oh you know we've got the fucking right wing capital happily capitalist people though fighting for some image of america to be preserved some cultural phantom or ghost to remain

why you have other people and no don't worry about it you know we can just sell it all off because

be realistic

this is unrelated but it just came to my mind i don't know why i

top of my head

you know with during the biden and kamal inauguration when they were wearing masks even though theyre went around

didn't that fuking remind you of the ending of den stranding with

general

nothing the general what is his name die hardman orever

i haven't gone to the ending yet oh no i was actually going to start playing it again start over this week you'rely going out town so

it'd still be in the living room flaging heavy on those masks of

like

there is a we mass and shore do remember the streing have the like latex gloves and mask there was kind of medical weird

yeah yeah and it's like the biding in kamala with the like

s crazy because you know 's new year's address

he wasn't wearing a mask

you know symbolic point is that we already have to shit under control it's not like the wild west

yeah

i don't have to destroy have such a

great distrust

for the stranger because we're not stranger

we have it under

collectively but in america's

americas selling the whole total insecurity shit right now you know

like like a two days after the whole the quote the quote insurrection unquote i saw like a

some tabloid style article that says like american veteran who joined it was going to shoot up you know a trump out

you know bullshit they're putting shot like thats i saw that quite a bit i was like ok the are try to scare was right wingers ot some scarre left wingerss a common de nominaor being it's like a whit better was gun or something

like the're hedging all their bets was like o how do we try to maximize our scare lotions

it's the scary itest american we can produce apparently it's like go who's a kid is foking west point d w have a chip with our shirts

dude

rap was sre was an r i saw camas

want to say rapper pub i think that the sherif i au bet

had a brief correspondence with that kid

ahhuh

but basically it was like a

showing you know someone like that was a gy

like he's coming your town

so articles like that

so that's what we're selling right now that's what buys sell by take down you know queue and

and tifa and show how they're all russians

it really is a war the american people in a

yeah pros

se lad a man

sa it being

by by people by jennifer ezein

but i hate to actually this remind me i hate to actually do this but

i think i we're going to end it at ten

sounds good

the only reason though is because

tomorrow morning after wake

class

of

loss and i have to like i got to go to the gym and shower and

just be a human the human body sanks but wkk

keep going for like another nine

actually

fifteen is fine

captain

but on

yea just giving

you guys

ya

i thk yeah

biding is biding his time to implement the mass mandate

i just don't leave my apartment anymore you know i just

i mean

i understand i'm not well i'll never be one of those people sorry when's the next ream

this week sometime i don't know when

either monday or wednesday

but not tuesday

m

i don't know i'm never one of those people to resist wearing masks

but

i hate

yeah

and so i feel like i wear the mak

a go is all the

im enough of a

i know sort of an int co grows again he opened one of those tks reces like as an a sortarian personality

nother those pretty good and there's a part of the gas a sordarian personality and totally

in line was a public role like of course that what everyone else is doing i should to fine with that

but the same time

where the mass has become some sort of sign of like public liberal virtue i know it is so vile when those people do not believe in any other public virtue apparently until now

now shame and attack people

soan ili in republic

on the road people wear them while they drive that drives yeah that's disgusting remember i visit my parents my mom wasloks like like wed she's like at me first so out it was so i oud character

and you know the're doing it because it makes him feel superior like yeah im concus i'm a i'm the good one i'm a good pers yeah i'm the i a special

all the americans are bad but i'm the good kind of am yeah it's that shit it's really weird it' like recycling or something else or treating like that people who are just afraid of germs or disease and makes sense losing to be afraid of that's valid one of course

i'm afraid of jernson z who isn't

and some people really are but the people who are like obviously doing almost sort of like you said like better

yeah becue or to ben but mask be like i am the good american false rules you're the bad onet for bad

and you do all the bad cheat of things

you're the thoughtless and blind american i'm actually thinking about the greater g

and biden gave me good boy points you know those people

i just

make me feel like it range conservative as i talk about mys

turn into i don't even know

and they haveumper sticker that's like trust science yeah people put those signs are on their house around here all see signce whichs like i love

science is real i ten other sayings and i'm just like i just hate you

you know sure youre land andvensed invensve

am the sciences

it's just killing me

it's almost like this is aesthetic of like teachers ruling us youmember like teachers

not to hate on them but

it's exactly the aesthetic of it where it's like you have snitches where the t you have the teachers pets you have the teachers themselves

and that's what our societyes

comment

those type of

people who were just like

vainly trying to

like the aesthetic of public good

is com yeah that

it's a rule by finger wagging and it's sa

s it's a rule by like not even happy but just like a mile shame and not even going to pile on too much

and and they'll be like

there was someone who wrote a the did you see the poem someone wrote about trump in

forget where

but they were like i they we a poem and they're like your syntax

a atrocious

it's like they're like people are being given free reign and it's terrible

should not be allowed that's a that's american culture now that's american that and's terrible

you know what you bring up the anglo that's what it is that's yes that

and people think that's it so that's what exist the where right that's thef you watch a david mitchells and those comediansho were funny stephen fry you know like big public figures and like you knowictainers but they will talk about grammar and diction

and and you know your proper bearing words virtue based on appearance

that

i think is a big part of this

like cultural disease it's like school teacher prop propriety thing it''s just

the far they think they're against vullgarity they think they're fighting this war

vulgarity when they are themselves a form of like

mil brout vulgarism you know it that's our theory was that it's because america is

losing its original thrust

this new thing like it was in the twentieth century

so now elites are returning to the british and worshipping the

talking

english

you know garbage that you're talking about

i can see it

you know or you

think about like chrisoho films you know i and once

think about like that whole aesthetic

this like melancholic i

know america's in decline but at least we're promset

virtuous

yeah i hate that like american the coin like the british melancholy shitp they have some there's some british molcho things are so fucky i love the great grd brits thing

there's a

god there's a tinkertailor soldier spy not the one was garry oldmen ver the fuck but the old like nineteen seventy nine mini series i highly recommend

where

one the one of the lines in that movie i folking love one of the characters like her asking why did you betray britain why did you do this this book about spies and shit and he just says i despise america i hate it

it goes on this big thing about where he's like you know like a whole culture's like guilt he s like like i'm not consuming enough to create you know like a permanent under cquess and he's like vile

filthy

fucking love that scene you know there's like there's a great grimness that they do well that has something sort of rebellious and subversive and i think that's the haolemark fisher appeal where he's a depressed you know

you know brit subversive

listen brits at their best are when they're anti american

and americans at their best or when they're anti british

i think so is that's fying against that global capitalist bllsic golesre exactly the centralism and then us good old

normal american people and normal british feew we can

have a new friendship

but our elites love affair

is the bane of both of our exist

absolutely anglos in the chat

at least we can agree on that our elites have affair is the bane of both of our

people

yeah look at the fucking reesmog type was the fucking top ot reaching hands across the atlantic to shake hands with american business people is this khaky

it's horrible it's discuss it's evil kills people

yeah

ah

i think it might be my closing statement i might go

yeah yeah i think we're going to end it was it was nice having your cockey yeah i think you so much ckey by the way

i don't

um it's completely fine if you know uh

you can't come on or whatever

but um

just remember you're always welcome to come on and i do think we should have a scifi episode where we eh

i i'd love to come back i mean

this is great

thank you guys so much for having me on it was a great conversation it was really it was fun talking to you always have you alwaysy very interesting interesting stuff likewise

you you allow our stream to have a chill vibe whereas

in order to propel our stream forward otherwise we have to just start attacking everybodyy

of glad i could uh i could bring a little h brief a taunt to uh to to the stream

yeah due because i'm tired i was yelling yesterday so much and i just

but um

youd to thank you so much for coming on guys cocky do do you want

a point your twitter

or i'll stick in the the thing

yeah also thank you audience for listening to me what personright chat and away

i will probably try and come back for the next one the one that because this is great and i think brain has just been rotting in isolation so i need to like oh yeh

where you have talk well this question

do you have any asomnia issues

yes

yeat i'm presente as of like a few months ago

is just for the first time my life

and i've had off and on and i used to have a like shut in we're n teenager and now that i'm forced to be a shut in youre do

back

ead

because it's simulating that lifestyle of being press weird does't go ouside even if you don't want to be that

i know and i know yeah be so ch kem of energy

don't want to be that but i have

yeah

so uh

i will walk out for now

are you guys see you guys see everybody

yeah later

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