DEBUNKING MY ENEMIES [2022-02-16]

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losing you is like living in a world

with no air

oh

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you understand

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tell me how i'm supposed

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tell me

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there's no

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there's no gravity to hold me down for

real

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but somehow

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hard for me to

tell breathe

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me

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infrared rising l-e-t-s-g-0

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oh

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hey

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tell me how you're gonna be without me

if you ain't here i just can't breathe

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tell me how i'm supposed to breathe with

no air

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are you speaking

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me

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i never had to say goodbye

you must have known i wouldn't stay

while you were talking bout our life

you killed the beauty of the day

forever

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forever

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you'll never see me again

no matter what you do

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you'll never see me

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you never heard me break your heart

you didn't wake up when we died

since i was slowly from the

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now

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you'll never see me

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you'll never see me

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i tried to keep a diary to let it down

away from him

maybe

i should have learned your memory

instead i let it dream

you see

watching the moon i feel it's basically

but call inside eating my soul you

shattering i love you boy

you almost feel so hard to wipe out for

me but from now on

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it's been a while since you and me

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quietly

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maybe

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you're gone

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all i remember

called like december

she crashed in the surface still waiting

for him

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poison

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what the [ __ ] just happened

i've

counting

i something fell out what the [ __ ]

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it fell out

what is this

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i swear to god

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cheers

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without suspicion

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everybody loves infrared

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anymore

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is

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i want to follow

each and every footstep

from shadow to light but i still hide

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anymore

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is

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thanks

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i'm teasing my

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i'm hot like that

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fantasy

i'm living

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holding you forever

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is

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all i know

i'm is

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happiness

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how can i go

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i can't kick her

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on vacation

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on my way

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what it is

y'all better get y'all tickets

cause it's a one-way destination to fun

frisco disco in the

house up

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working out in this group

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it goes

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feelings

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things

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strangers

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illusion

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i've got a life

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um

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i

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like my jealousy

too hot too greedy

how could you leave me

when i needed to

possess you

i hated

he told me

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oh

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my

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me

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oh

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oh

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let me

go

oh

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what a good song

um

i'm not gonna say it um

what a good song

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all right i know what kind of music i

wanna listen to

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i know the kind of music i wanna listen

to

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um

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all right

so guys i'm gonna give you some updates

right

so yesterday i got a haircut and i did

my first uh training session

um

to get i only got like two hours of

sleep and like

yesterday i was sleep deprived today i

got my full sleep right

um i so i decided i'm on a few things

right

so yesterday um

i was at the gym and i realized my arms

are very much

on the cusp of pulling a muscle right i

could tell when i'm about to pull a

muscle

so i'm

i'm gonna skip today at the gym maybe

see how i'm feeling tomorrow

um might take a week off the gym

actually to be honest

but um

the training went well it was the first

one to get back in the feel of it you

know it's been a long time

and i wanted to assess the level of like

what is the pace at which i'm going to

be learning and stuff so i i i'm getting

a better idea and stuff so the training

went well

yeah i might hit likes yeah i'm

definitely hitting legs right if not

tonight then yeah for sure

yeah i might just take a week just doing

legs or some [ __ ] i don't know

but um

yesterday i got a haircut you know when

to go train

um

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and

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why am i late today

it's technically i could have streamed

like at five today right well i woke up

at four

because i have that insomnia problem

again

um i've got that insomnia [ __ ] that

came back

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and

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i've got that insomnia [ __ ] thing

i slept today but like i had to wake up

at four to get full sleep right

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so i wa you know one of the biggest

problems right now is my sleep that's

just always been the biggest problem if

i fix my sleep schedule

holy [ __ ] i will be unleashed right so i

want to like

wake up at 11 or 12.

i want to start streaming at like

two

or

and i want to end stream at 10

right

so 4 to 10 is like my ideal slot

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which is doable i feel like it's so

doable you know

um

it's just i gotta fix my [ __ ] i'm

still jet lagged from la i'm honestly

still jet lag

it's a big problem

um

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yeah we got a lot of [ __ ] lined up for

today though

although

i kind of want to save some stuff

when there's more people

because i started the stream so [ __ ]

late

i want to kind of save the juicy stuff

maybe for tomorrow we'll see

i was planning on doing a showdown this

friday

but you know what i realized is that i

can't do these [ __ ] showdowns unless

i have a manager or a producer i need a

[ __ ] showdown producer there's just

no way i can do it without a producer

like you guys okay you guys know how

[ __ ] what a busy guy i am guess what

kind of [ __ ] busy guy i am okay

i'm the [ __ ] eight i'm like um

what do they worship in uh thailand

what's that eight

eight armed god they worshipped in

thailand it's a brahma right something

like that

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eight leg eight

arm god thailand

yes no they worship uh

brahma it's not shiva shiva's the indian

one

it's not [ __ ] shiva i'm talking about

in [ __ ] thailand dumbasses why don't

you pick up a book and be educated

so sick of the dumb asses in my checking

they know [ __ ]

so anyway

it's brahma okay

so i'm like that [ __ ] eight armed god

right i got i'm just doing a lot of [ __ ]

and the showdowns

i need a producer to just produce them i

can't i cannot we're not having a

showdown until i have we're not having

another showdown until i can get a

producer like it's supposed to be this

friday

um

it's not possible that's not doable

right this friday is not doable

especially because we had i need a

producer that's simple as that like i'm

gonna tell you a list of things i have

to do on any given day right

so i gotta read a bunch right because

you guys know i'm still a scholar you

guys know i like i haven't stopped

learning

you guys know that right

i have not stopped learning

um

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it's just that the level i'm on is way

beyond anything i would share publicly

because you just

you would literally think i'm

schizophrenic if you look at this [ __ ]

that i'm reading

and it's a type of like

studying and research i do

you would not understand why i'm even

studying it like

you'll you look at my [ __ ] chrome

tabs and you'll be like

why is this [ __ ] guy studying

butterfly anatomy what does that have to

do it's like you don't get it sorry

you're not on my level okay

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all right

so

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i gotta do all that [ __ ]

i gotta do that [ __ ]

that research [ __ ] right

um

you know there's a book i had a lot of

fun reading again on the plane back to

michigan just for fun i read it for fun

and it was dugan's political platinism

i really recommend everybody read that

actually i can't recommend that [ __ ] you

guys will not get it

i get it because

it's not my only introduction to like

the occult and all that [ __ ]

so

he says [ __ ] that's not gonna make sense

to you that makes sense to me right but

i love that book political platinism

just such a nice good book love that

book

right

um

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so i do that i obviously stream for the

majority of

the time that i have free

um

and then i'm going to the gym

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i'm juggling so much [ __ ] at once and

i'm writing sub stacks

and i'm also dealing

with internal stuff with the show

runners i'm managing the youtube channel

i juggle a lot of [ __ ] okay i need a

[ __ ] producer

for that showdown

and i want i also don't want someone so

i was thinking pesto mimes the best

candidate but he's also content on the

showdown right

so i don't think it should be pest

though because he's

he's like i don't want the producer to

be someone who's on so i need a producer

who's not content i need a producer

who's not going to be on the show right

so i got to find myself a [ __ ]

producer right there's no way those

showdowns can happen without a producer

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get a mod yeah i'll see what i can do

right

but

i don't know how that producer thing

works

but i definitely need one

what qualifications do they need to have

you just need to know people

know how to reach people and get people

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um so

i don't think there's gonna be a

showdown this friday oh another thing i

need for the showdowns is i need promo

art right i need to get in contact with

the guy who made us promo art because i

need to tell him

that guy

made us promo art right

which is super based and super cool

it's just the problem is that that's you

max said listen

can you please give me a blank so

remember the promo stuff you made like

for advertising the first one

can you please give me a blank template

of that one

um so i could just put any date

like let's say i'm having a showdown

friday i want to start advertising it

monday or tuesday right and i want to be

able to put topics and stuff but the

ones you gave me were oh i had a date on

you gave me a date right that was on it

can you just give me one without the

date

can you give me ones without the date

and then um

that'll be perfect right those are

perfect promo materials

um

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yeah so that's what i need for that

so showdown [ __ ] and then what else

professor haas

um max i will pay you if you can make

promo material for professor haas as

well i will actually pay you like

i don't know what the rate is i don't

know how much i can pay you

but if you ask if you tell me what a

fair rate is and i'll see what i could

do right i will pay you for professor

hall's problem

right

and i want to start professor haas

next

tuesday

i want to do it next tuesday

then finally

there's another thing which is the

podcast with me jackson and samira right

and that's something we want to do

within a few weeks

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so we have a lot of [ __ ] lined up for

the show for content right starting to

turn this and i'm going to start turning

this into a show

right what is the podcast called let's

think we haven't even figured out the

name yet right

we haven't even figured out the name

um

yeah and then we got cpi austin in march

so first of all training is going to

take um not one month right training

i don't want to give you a hard date but

three to six months

it's that's what it's looking like for

training

but that actually might be cut severely

right

it's just like i

i'm not gonna commit to a time yet i'm

still gonna just keep training and see

where i'm at right

what am i training for the fighting

fighting

fighting dylan burns in mma that's

another thing too i have to like

i'm not so certain about is

sure about is

what i'm being trained in it what i know

of is calm is combat it's not sport it's

it's like combat right

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and it's stuff that's taught to like

police and militaries and [ __ ]

and it's not very widely used in sports

so i have to make sure that i'll be

within the rules of mma which are you

know i'm pretty sure it's only like you

can't hit the back of the head

you can't hit the groin

and this is the one that really

might be a problem

you can't

take advantage of joints right something

like that

you can't

exploit people's joints

isn't that isn't that one of the things

you can't take advantage of people's

joints yeah that's a big problem for me

i don't care about the groin [ __ ] yeah

no small joint manipulation

that might be can what is so small joint

what does that even mean

like can you manipulate this can you

manipulate you know what i mean what's a

small joint i don't know what that means

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like fingers oh

uh

that

does disadvantage me but not decisively

but that does suck yeah that sucks

wrist too

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whatever it's it's still not decisive as

long as i could do this it's fine

as long as i can take advantage of this

one it's fine

i have to look up i don't even know the

[ __ ] rules i don't know the rules for

mma

can't you find an mma trainer

no i'm not doing that

i don't want an mma trainer i'm not a

[ __ ] i don't care about sports okay the

only reason i'm doing mma is because

it's the closest thing to a street fight

i don't give a [ __ ] about sports okay

i'm not a [ __ ] sports player okay

so

you need a trainer for mma no i don't

i don't

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um

gonna get your ass kicked if you don't

train with someone who fights

you're a dumbass dude

when did i say i'm not training with

people who fight

saying i don't train with sports players

but these people do fight okay

they do fight they're not sports players

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you go to bjj wrestling

i don't i'm not gonna really reveal too

much but like

you know every time i see something

that's popular i'm skeptical

and i'm pretty confident in the [ __ ] i'm

doing now

so there you go like i don't

yeah i don't

yeah i'm not gonna really i don't really

want to talk about it a lot either

because

i literally just it's my first

it's not my first time training this but

it's like my first time going back to it

in years right

so this is just like the first day was

yesterday and then i'm gonna go again

next week

then you know slowly i'm gonna start

doing it more than once a week i'm gonna

start doing it like

i'm gonna actually move right

move where i live

and and i have to plan all that [ __ ] i

gotta just move my setup and all this

[ __ ]

because the place i go is kind of far

and i can't do it like every other day

but

yeah we'll see nothing's set in stone

but i'm i intend on fighting right now

as of now yeah i intended

but nothing set in stone there's just so

much [ __ ] you gotta [ __ ]

do right

the people i'm training with

are i'm not gonna review i'm not gonna

reveal anything okay

um

i don't intend to do this

again i can't i pretend not doing this

once and then that's it

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so yeah i don't plan on like

becoming a [ __ ] professional fighter

because i don't care about sports

not it's not really about sports to me

at this point it's about

legally being able to fight

simple as that

why don't you want to do it again

because it's such oh it's such a it

consumes

so much time and it's not only that it

consumes so much [ __ ] time

i have to plan my whole life around it

like i have to move my entire setup

eventually to this other place i gotta

sublease this apartment

and i have to move into a new apartment

that's closer to the place that i can go

to because the place i go to like an

hour and a half away so if i'm gonna be

training every other day

and streaming

it's not i have to change my entire

lifestyle you know so i'm not gonna

[ __ ] um

do this again

i'm not doing this [ __ ] again

right

is it fun for me

no

um

it's not fun

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it's a

very mechanical like when i say

mechanical it's like

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how do i explain that

it's not fun it's just something you do

you just [ __ ] do it right

it's like lifting

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i don't like talking about it i just

don't like talking about it

i feel like it's such a [ __ ] thing to

even talk about this even talking about

it's such a [ __ ] thing right but all

you got to know is yeah i'm starting to

train and [ __ ]

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yeah but i'm not all the time and not my

i didn't spar yesterday but

uh after a few times yeah i'm gonna

start

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you scoring any media appearances lined

up at rt no not as not

not as of now

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uh

will fans be allowed to watch in person

preferably no i don't want that

i don't want that

uh i hate fans i don't want them i don't

want to see fans right

i don't respect people who are not doing

it themselves that's why i don't do

sports i don't do that [ __ ] because i

don't respect you if you're not doing it

yourself i don't i don't like people who

are in the bleachers yeah yeah shut the

[ __ ] up [ __ ] what are you doing you're

not doing anything

put some [ __ ] skin in the game or go

home right

i don't like [ __ ] fans i hate them

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have skin in the game or go home that's

what i [ __ ] say right

i don't like fan i don't i hate [ __ ]

fans actually if i you know what if i

could beat up every fan at once in the

ring i would that's actually how i feel

like what i'm doing i'm i'm doing it to

abuse fans in the best way i can

the closest thing i could do to abusing

fans

and hurting fans

is

hurting the person they represent that

they're like they believe it right i am

actually doing this because i hate fans

i hate them i hate the crowd i hate the

[ __ ] peanut gallery those are the

people i want to severely damage and

hurt right

are the people i want to hurt badly

right

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i hate speculators i hate people who

talk i just hate this this is what i

hate

i hate people who talk about fighting

i hate people who talk about fighting

that's

there's few people on this world that i

hate

i genuinely hate with all of my heart

genuine hatred real human hatred

i hate people who talk

about fighting that's what i [ __ ]

hate i hate people who speak

with their tongue

and with their mouth

about fighting that's what i hate

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i dislike people who talk about lifting

but i don't hate them i just dislike

them a lot

but i genuinely do hate people who talk

about fighting i genuinely hate them

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it's gonna last

forever

so i'm gonna do a debunk today's gonna

be a debunk stream right

and

we're gonna debunk some tweets this

idiot made on twitter

my patriotic sound challenge

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joker talks about fighting

yeah but

he has actually fought

he's actually fought for real though

so it's not a bluff when he talks about

it

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also there's a lot of [ __ ] circa does

that i don't like

i don't like everything circa does

you like judo no i don't like judo i'm

not gonna tell you the list of [ __ ] i

don't like cause then you're it's gonna

give away like what i'm doing what i'm

not doing so i'm not going to talk about

it

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so first things first

to get this out of the way

i cannot tell you how many people

believe this

i'm really actually shocked

because i actually feel like this got

popular because people believe it

right

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oh [ __ ] i need chaturina

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shut up [ __ ] all right

i was like

so power level hack you know you're just

[ __ ] annoying when you do that like

i'm wearing a [ __ ] read the room wearing

a sweater i don't not working out today

why don't you give it i'm gonna disable

that [ __ ] you're [ __ ] annoying bro

and the only reason i do this i don't

know if twitch can like get you in

trouble if you don't do it right but

you're actually [ __ ] annoying

right

so i tweeted this

because

so this is in response to this

every [ __ ] day there's some guy

patriotism

there's always a new tweet every day on

twitter about people talking about

socialist patriotism southwest

patriotism this salsas patriotism that

every [ __ ] day someone's talking

about it every [ __ ] day right

nobody can shut the [ __ ] up

every [ __ ] day there's a tweet that's

like

patriotic socialists claim to be

consistent with marxism but they did

colonialism and indigenous people are

genocided and yeah stolen land stolen

last summer then one guys

did you know

that

america was founded on stolen land

take that pat socks

and it'll get like [ __ ] 10 000 likes

every [ __ ] day you see a new tweet

throwing shade at patriotic socialists

and it has absolutely nothing to [ __ ]

do

with anything the alleged patriotic

socialists

have ever said so the first thing to say

is that

patriotic socialism is a made-up

label

they've created for us

when you there it's like such a

common orthodoxy

that wic

[ __ ] wikipedia has a entry for

socialist page this is like bread and

butter marxism leninism right but

because these people believe in a type

of american exceptionalism according to

which

america is uniquely exempt from basic

marxist leninist orthodoxy they've

isolated those marxist leninists who are

clinging to the tradition

cat socks or patriotic socialists right

is what's going on

so

there there you have it right that's the

whole meaning of patriotic socialism pat

socks right and you know there is a real

meaning to the division

and it basically comes down to this it's

not actually about this like issue of

patriotism as much it's about

recognizing what is actually the class

and social and like you know

the population who's going to be the

subject of communist organization

so pat socks refer to everyone

who have the populist stance right

populist so pat sock is really about

populism right if you're not woke if

you're outside of the woke echo chamber

and you're not part of their

institutionalized mentality and you're

part of their little [ __ ] group

they're gonna call you a [ __ ] pad

sock right

if you're not part of the progressive

corporate agenda and you're out marching

in lockstep with the consensus about

what's progressive and what's good and

what's moral

you're a pad sock right because there's

two types of marxist leninists in the

west there's some marxist leninists

who have used marxism leninism as a way

to codify and interpret

the new silicon valley ideology of like

online social media activism and

wokeness and black lives matter and

lgbtq plus and all that kind of stuff

and they've used marxism leninism as a

way to like

describe the essence of that right

so for them marxism leninism is like

a type of cosmetic overlay on this more

like broader radical liberalism

that is emerging out of the new silicon

valley big tech economy right so there's

a revolution in the forces of production

and there's a new ideology corresponding

to this revolution in the forces of

production

which and there's a lot of words for it

so the neo-reactionaries like curtis

yarvin they've called it the cathedral

right they call it the cathedral

some like the post lefts call it the

professional managerial class

uh others broadly identified as

political correctness or wokeness

we need better words to describe this

[ __ ] bubble right the blob yeah

there's a lot of ways to describe this

thing we all agree it is a thing though

right it's a new it's like a new like

it's like this new bubble right

and it's specifically the superstructure

of this new kind of

silicon valley fourth industrial

revolution economy right the

corporatized economy right

and it actually goes pretty far as far

as identifying like

why who these what these people are

right it's more

it's a more fundamental aesthetic about

the relationship between individuals and

morality and society and history right

and

specifically moralities

thank you voidburn albert we're coming

for you it's like it's this issue of

like why are there bad things in the

world and how can we correct

the bad things in this world and i this

is really good stuff guys i want you to

you know pay attention here because this

is i'm gonna lay some really good you

know

dick

on your mom's vagina but for real

i'm gonna lay some high-level [ __ ] right

here right

[ __ ] okay

um

so

when you're a child

and you're growing up in the world

you're a kid right

the first thing that you're ever going

to be confronted with

is a sense of all

encompassing radiant goodness

you know one of the ways as children we

enter the world

is um

having this

relationship to meaning

that is like holistic and harmonious and

and and radiant and shining you know

there's a russian song

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it's like how does it go

may their all

ways be sunshine may there

always be blue skies may their all

ways

it's like that goes like that it's a

children's song right

um

it's a

it's a children's song right

and it perfectly describes what i'm

telling you when it comes to this

uh

you have this like harmony between

mother and

blue skies and the sun and the

the you know the world as a whole

everything is good and harmonious right

give me a second

so let's call that the good right

the good just this general good right

okay you mind good is not only normative

good like things are good as opposed to

bad but it is

the form of meaning itself the way in

which the world is meaningful how is the

world meaningful right it's it's this

non-alienated

um existence you have as a child with

the world right

everything is good the flowers are

dancing and smiling whatever childhood

innocence right

and then

you have barney the dinosaur i love you

you love me

we're a happy fam so you got that right

um

so what is leftism right leftism is when

you point out

that

there's something wrong in this world

right and when children discover there's

a dark side and that innocence is ruined

and there's something wrong

that's traumatic right it's literally

psychologically traumatic and we all

carry that trauma in us

and it defines our entrance into

adulthood

with leftism

it seems like this new leftism that's

emerging and i'm specifically focusing

on like a subset of leftism which is

like this maoist [ __ ] right the gonzalo

people

is

um

this trauma is reinterpreted

not as an actual feature of the world

this dark side right of the world is not

interpreted as being a feature of

reality in the world but is being

ascribed

like a simplistic name like for example

this is just capitalism or patriarchy or

misogyny or chauvinism or whatever right

or nationalism and that if we just get

rid of this enemy

then we'll go back i love you

you we can go back to that child and

innocence as long as we you know expel

that that so it's a really psychotic

thing that leftists do right what

they're basically doing is that

there is literal [ __ ] in my [ __ ] nose

i can barely talk or breathe

because i'm congested so give me a

[ __ ] second

because i [ __ ] hate life i hate

when i have to speak and i have this

[ __ ] happening

holy [ __ ] [ __ ]

oh [ __ ] i'm still congested

okay

holy [ __ ]

so

um what they're doing is pretty

psychotic right with their and this is

actually the structure of psychosis i'm

gonna explain to you what what

it's kind of psychoanalysis we're

getting into right but it's just you're

gonna see this kind of come on a little

bit

um very briefly right

when it comes to psychoanalysis

[ __ ]

so

this stage of childhood innocence i just

described to you

lacon will call this the imaginary stage

and in the imaginary stage

of uh

subject let's just say right the

psychological stage of the amount the

imaginary

basically the whole world

is not alienated right all images around

you first of all your relationship to

meaning is principally mediated in the

form of phenomenal right images visual

and audio audio sense right

so

that's the naivety right like the whole

world the sun even the sun has a smiling

face on it

that's the imaginary stage right

everything is good basically

so when you enter the symbolic order

though

you realize

entrance into the symbolic order for the

subject

is basically the beginning

of

um

the

unconscious taking a structure why

because you start to realize

that meaning

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does not subsist in these images

or in the

even of the presence of the mother right

the image of the mother but in something

beyond those right and so that's

specifically

this kind of tear in your world of

meaning is is created by the father and

this is called symbolic castrations

right so the father's intervention

basically uh tears

the subject

away from this world of immediate

unalienated images to an alienated world

where

um

all goodness and meaning and let's say

the big other right

um

no longer immediately subsists in the

phenomenal world around you but in

something beyond them right beyond

images beyond the phenomenal world and

some kind of fundamental lack right so

you possess so you go from having a

relationship to the world that's

wholesome

to having a relationship to the world

that's defined by a type of lack right

um

and it is the pursuit

of

it is the attempt to try and like uh

fulfill this lack through the pursuit of

desire

that defines

the traditional neurotic subject of

psychoanalysis of an adult right

so the father

intervenes symbolic castration the

subject no longer

looks for meaning in immediate images

because

those immediate images

now alienate the subject

from themselves so in order to find

themselves

they have to go beyond

the world of images right

circles ranting about me right now

why what let me see what is this

because i manipulated my ex-girlfriend

into kissing me and dropping her phone

on my hands and then i deleted all of

our text messages together and now it

has nothing to do with me shut the [ __ ]

up okay

anyway

all right

anyway

[ __ ] there's still [ __ ] in my throat

okay i just give me a second

okay so with symbolic castration

um the subject becomes split right

and there's no longer a correspondence

between

uh

the satisfaction of self and

the world around you basically right

so when you're

a child

you never come to experience lack in and

of itself i'll give you an example right

so as a child

when your mother leaves you your parents

leave you alone

you do experience a lack what do you

start doing

you start crying right with from one

one degree to another right you're

you're basically crying or whining or

something when you're a child and you

don't get what you want

right or what you expect you can't get

the toy at the store or whatever you're

gonna start crying like a baby or

whining or bitching whatever children

[ __ ] do right

and

that's going to be a temporary moment

which will eventually be relieved right

but part of becoming an adult

means

that lack you experience

becomes something you come to terms with

as an actual feature and fact of the

world in and of itself you can't always

get what you want right you can't always

have what you expect to have

uh mama your mom mommy and daddy are not

always gonna be there for you right

and

that kind of lack

so lack no longer just becomes defined

by the absence of the thing you expected

it to be there

it actually becomes defined on its own

terms

and this lack itself requires a

structure a kind of positive structure

and that is in the form of the

unconscious so your childhood traumas

more or less and this is a trauma like

your mother leaves you alone in the

grocery store it's a trauma right these

traumas form the architecture of your

subconscious they're no longer strictly

defined by the absence of the thing you

expect it to be there your mom isn't

here anymore

but actually takes on a positive

structure through the form of the

unconscious itself right

um

now

that's that's what it means to be an

adult that's why adults have an

unconscious adults understand things

like

subtlety and innuendo nothing's ever

direct nothing is ever

directly immediate everything's mediated

right isn't that what it means to be an

adult right when you're an adult

you have ways of communicating with one

another

that are non-explicit you have you have

a sense that this world is somehow

contradictory right you've accepted that

right

so what is psychosis and why is

psychosis

associated with being like um

an adolescent forever because in this

stage of psych in the um

process of psychosis

you positivize this lack or this absence

and this castration

you positivize it so what does that mean

all the contradictions and problems

in the world of the imaginary

are not a feature of being or some kind

of deeper reality itself

but are the result of the nefarious

uh intrusion of other imaginary forms so

for example

you grow up as a kid

with this expectation of america being

this perfect country and and we're the

good guys we're the good guys right and

then you discover contradictions in um

the story right like wait are we the

good guys we're not the good guys we

look at all these crimes and atrocities

we committed so

what a psychotic will do

this is a very like relevant example

there's a a lot of other ways you can um

demonstrate this and and uh show this

but what a psychotic will do will they

will positivize that contradiction

instead of recognizing it as a feature

of

truth and the world they'll say

no

america is not

uh

there's no internal fault with america

it's merely capitalist patriarchical um

colonialism that's responsible for all

the bad things and actually that's why

america is bad and you adopt a new

imaginary form and these people called

communism

and for them communism is the ultimate

good right communism is a good without

any of those contradictions without any

of that fundamental dark side

and they're going to accuse the founding

fathers were the patriarchal racist so

this is the type of psychosis right

because they are

what the what communism represents for

these people

is

a correction right oh i used to think

america was a perfect country

and we were the good guys but now i know

we're we're not the good guys we're the

bad guys and that communism is the good

guys right

um

and in this way you have a

type of psychosis right an adult will

recognize contradictions as a future of

the world right

uh a child will attribute to

contradictions uh a meanie or a bad guy

and if you get rid of the bad guy

there's no more contradiction right

i mean

i want you to look at the example of

nazism of course it's a form of

psychosis when the germans lost world

war ii what did hitler say he said this

we were stabbed in the back right he

coped it's not that

my expectations of german uh

empire were wrong

it's that there was some

jewish conspiracy that that was

responsible right

it's psychosis right both the far right

and the so-called far left

share in common the same exact psychosis

they don't recognize

bad things or contradictions

as an imminent feature of the world

right they they consider it

the result of some foreign um influence

that can be

easily disposed of right they share this

kind of

utopian socialism and utopian socialism

is in a way at the root of both fascism

and uh

progressive leftism that's taking form

in america today

and wokeness whatever you want it's it's

the root of both of those historical

root of both

right

so uh

to be clear

what you're seeing with these maoists

and these gonzalo people who are

by the way

i'm not even insulting them it is an

objective fact it's objectively true

these are children

okay

these people are actually our children

they're actually literal children

they are

in their teens right these are people 13

to 17

and everyone above that age are grooming

the children right into adopting this

very naive ideology why is it so easy

for children to adopt these ideologies

i'll tell you why

have you ever stole a lego from a child

children are very naive they have no

comprehension of the fact that evil is

possible in this world they're naive by

nature children are naive right

but when you show children

when you

so much as dare is show a child

that being a bad guy is possible

no one

no one is more [ __ ] ruthless and

brutal than children you'd steal a lego

from a child

and if he had his

way that child

would actually

would literally stare at you

with a straight face

stone cold

and watch you get beheaded

and not think a damn thing of it

you don't underestimate

this this inherent brutality of children

you steal a lego from a child they will

actually be okay with you getting

beheaded and why

it's not because they're evil

necessarily

it's because children

can't have any sense of forgiveness

because for them everything is good and

if there's the slightest hint of

anything bad

it must be immediately extinguished and

squashed and then everything goes back

to normal right

there's no sense of forgiveness because

they haven't come to accept

bad things as part of the world right

and that's why they're so especially

brutal for they have this very brutal

sense of justice you steal my leg oh you

get [ __ ] beheaded and this isn't a

bad thing because it's justice

everything becomes

um balanced again right

well that explains the like

revolutionary enthusiasm of the gonzalo

people and the the so-called maoists

right they have the exact same mentality

what you're dealing with is barney the

dinosaur i love you

you love me

pay no attention to the blood dripping

because they have

several bodies

all counter-revolutionaries

i love you

you love me

if you are a

reactionary i have a knife

right for it's like that's what you're

dealing with right

you're dealing with this um

childhood

child-like brutality

not because they are trying to like um

they're thinking of themselves as evil

but because

everything is for this ultimate good

right this this this infantile

child-like sense of a good world right

so

every single day

you see people losing their [ __ ] over

socialist patriotism

because communism

because listen as a child we're taught

that america is good and we're the good

guys and then when you learn that's not

true

you cope and the way that

leftists have coped is they've adopted

communism as an ideology so for them

communism rights all of the wrongs that

america is guilty of right

so when they adopt this id when they

adopt an ideology and an aesthetic and

it's not just leftist guilty of this

it's all internet ideologies actually

they're guilty of this

and ideology is supposed to be like uh

what lacan called a synthom a sin tom

right

ideology is it's like sonichu you know

sonichu chris chan christian

had his own way of coping with the

contradictions of the world by wearing a

medallion

uh that is a combination of sonic and

pikachu right

for him

this unity this alchemical unity of

opposites if you will

protected him from the

contradiction inherent in the world

right

and

internet ideologies are the same thing

as the sauna true medallion you adopt

this ideology

uh as a way to cope

with the contradictions of the world

where in your ideology everything is

good and everything is perfect right so

it's your ideology versus the world

right this is the quintessential form of

idealist utopianism right

um

it's a way let me explain to you and

don't

overthink this i just want you to like

think about it for one second and you'll

get it right an internet ideology

is a little teeth you can just suck on

forever every time your ideology is your

your personal teeth your personal teeth

you can suck on at your convenience

when you're a baby it's your mother's

teeth that calms you down right

that helps you cope with the world what

do you think a pacifier is right

um

you know it's probably not true but like

there's like a very weird thing in

freudian psychoanalysis where they'll

identify the oral stage directly with

um

people interpret it wrongly like oral

stage the pacifier all this represents

like something like oral sex of course

it's not true a pacifier is a stand-in

for the mother's teeth right it's the

mother's teeth

which children need right like uh

it pacifies them and if they don't have

that they cry so when they're crying you

just feed them and then they're okay

right

john says to you if you have a free

place to stay in austin it's super worth

it but don't burn airbnb money

but

i when did i say i'm going to austin i'm

going to the cpi conference i'm not

[ __ ] going to austin this month why

would i go to austin

who said i'm going to austin i never

said i'm going austin

i'm not even going to [ __ ] austin

what are you talking about

is a little bit of cope such a bad thing

yeah it is bad

workers patriots donated five dollars

thank you great stream yeah that's in

march i'm going in march for the cbi

conference

i'm not going out for what what am i

gonna do in austin right

if we could do collab streams with me

slicker and zerka like a lot of them

oh yeah i'll go to austin

but i know that's not happening so

why would i go there right

um

i don't have a

i don't i don't i can't afford an austin

trip i don't have enough money to get an

airbnb and uh

all that [ __ ] i just can't afford it

right

i don't have a place to stay

so that's the issue

so anyway going back to what i was

saying

um

returning to what i was saying before

that's what an ideology is so when

people see

socialist patriotism

right

they're thinking oh this is a new

ideology that's just dropped it's

communism

but it's patriotic right

it's patriotic so that must mean that

they're patriotic for a country

uh

well wait what about the the bad things

about the country so i made this tweet

to mock them basically i was like

this is literally what all these tweets

are like it's like all right they take a

lot of courage

the founding [ __ ] lied to us it was

all a lie america's based on genocide of

indigenous people and racism and we have

to confront this reality right so this

is the iconoclasm you're integrating

american patriotism in your ideology

but an ideology is a utopia

so how do you deal with the stains

on your ideology right

and i actually think people took this

tweet seriously judging from the quote

tweets like i literally have people in

quote tweets are like a broken clock is

haas learning like something like that

right like they didn't even know

that i was that this was like mocking

them

which is actually pretty disturbing

right like

a lot of people couldn't even tell if i

was being serious or not with this right

but it's like at this point you see this

so often

and it's so [ __ ] vaped like how is

this not a parody of course it is right

it got a lot of likes more than average

right so i just assumed that people

really did think that um

i was being like

serious right

um

but this is basically the the only

criticism you're gonna get of so-called

pat socks right

now i want to draw your attention

uh

to

bon wenan's drawing right

because

this is really the aesthetic of

so-called socialist patriotism in

america now when you look at this

drawing do you see a utopia

actually

a lot of people

see this as very dystopian and and for

good reason it's not there's nothing

utopian about this there's nothing

wholesome about this this doesn't remind

me of uh barney the dinosaur or you know

a mother's tweet or like some wholesome

vista i mean compare this to that yogurt

commercial right

uh yogurt

solar

punk

whatever that [ __ ] yeah this one

so look at this commercial

holy [ __ ]

look at this commercial

now this is wholesome this does remind

you of the wholesome mother's teeth or

whatever right

dear alice wholesome it's all it's

everything all it's very childlike

cartoon-like it's very wholesome right

this just dirt now this is what most

leftists find acceptable as like

the realization of your ideology this is

it right like oh it's so nice and and

wholesome it might you know it's

pacifying and

and child like it's that childlike

you know wonder right

you and then compare that to this

it's like

you just compare these right

one

you just you you see a world with flaws

in this don't you i mean it's a world

with flaws it has some of the buildings

from the past

these are new things are even still

being constructed it's not even finished

yet this is it literally isn't wholesome

because this is depicting a world that's

still being built it's not even like

wholesome and it's just a regular world

where people are still going about their

business as normal people and

there's it's it's actually kind of

ordinary and then you do see symbols so

a lot of people were like this is just

our reality with red flags right

um

and it was very intentional that i chose

this image to be fond on actually his

his art in general as the aesthetic of a

socialist realism in the 21st century

people's punk right

so

now why is that though because

socialist patriotism is actually not an

ideology

i want you to repeat after me because

some of you even make the mistake

of not understanding this

so a patriotic socialism is not an

ideology patriotic socialism

is a new relationship between ideology

and reality

it's not an ideology

we are not reflexively creating the idea

of being patriotic

patriotism for us

refers to the fact that the ideology of

socialism comes from the soil

of the people and that the people are

national in form

okay

it is not an ideology it is about it's a

new form of realism is what patriotic

socialism is again repeat after me

patriotic socialism is not an ideology

we're not beginning with a blank canvas

and saying in our ideal world we would

be patriotic americans

we're saying that we don't begin with a

blank canvas and that an ideology has to

draw from

reality and material reality right and

ideology has to draw from the soil of

the people as they are and the people

are national in form right

it is not an ideology okay in an

ideology you have a blank canvas so this

is i'll show you what an ideology looks

like right an ideology

is a blank canvas and then on this blank

canvas

you just draw whatever you want and then

you know there's furry porn and whatever

you want and

all your fantasies are realized but the

whole point of of uh so-called patriotic

socialism as you don't begin with this

blank canvas right we are inheriting

reality in a certain type of way

um

and socialism or communism scientific

socialism specifically is about

discerning how from the very

core of material reality itself

you will find

a new mode of production emerging and

that mode of production is socialism

that is the essence of scientific

socialism you don't create a construct

and set that against the world

you discern within the tendencies of the

world itself the future right

um

there's something that a lot of marxists

have have dropped which was

the inevitability of socialism and why

do they not believe in the inevitability

of socialism because they think that

means

this doesn't necessitate the party form

or subjectivity or ideology and that we

just sit on our couch and eat

hot chips and and wait for it to happen

right when in reality the dialectic of

freedom and necessity shows

and also even like asian

religions like like buddhism or whatever

will show you that

or even christian predestination or

islamic predestination will show you

that

destiny

bait not the streamer but fate right

fate and human will

are not at odds with each other

the fullest expression of human will

realizes

necessity

and destiny not the streamer okay

so

this is not an ideology this is a form

of realism

i want you guys to remember what is the

aesthetic of marxism lenin

what is the official

um aesthetic of marxism leninism do any

any guys know what it's called

do you know what it's called though

historically

yeah it's called socialist

realism it's called socialist realism

right

so patriotic socialism is a form of

realism

okay

it's a form of realism it's not about

creating an ideology

where we celebrate america as a perfect

idea

you know i see a lot of you fail arguing

this a lot of you will will say

something like

look the idea of america is flawed but

it also has good

right

it's an idea with flaws but there's also

good and there's nuance and you're

approaching it the wrong way

okay america is not an idea

joe biden has said that before but he

said america is an idea it's the only

country in the world in idea we're

saying it's not an idea america

is a material reality right

and

patriotic socialism is about

understanding

the material basis of the socialist

ideology

what is the material basis of ideology

material basis of ideology

is national in in reality

civilizational

and keep in mind i'm saying ideology

what so the material basis of politics

is obviously lies in class relations but

what is the material basis of ideology

material base of ideology

is civilizational and national right and

why because

ideologies require institutions to

realize themselves

those institutions themselves are

premised by what people right

but people are not blank slate

uh to bula rasa

people are

have a character they have a way of life

and nations

and civilizations and states

approximate and give expression to those

okay

what i want you guys to understand most

of all

okay

is that the confusion lies

in the idealist view

that countries and states and nations

are ideas

and that everyone's a blank slate

with which to be molded by ideologies

and that a country like america is just

another ideology with which people are

molded into everyone's a blank slate

with no material character no

subconscious no unconscious no material

reality but a completely blank slate

for an ideology to uh mold and impose

itself upon right

we know that's not true i mean

according to marxism

according to

dialectical materialism there is a

dialectic of form

form is not just one thing that is

imposed upon content

forms have history

forms are themselves real and in a sense

material right

that's why it's called dialectical

materialism now in undialectical

materialism you just have content which

means just one form content and form are

the same

the whole point of dialectical

materialism is that content and form are

not the same which means there's a

living relationship between form and

content right

there are forms that we inherit from

history

that

are material they're they're real

they're not just ideas or they're not

just

um

thoughts or ideologies they're actual

material forms right

all nations and countries and states

describe

our specific

material forms

america is a material form

that material form is described

as the united states

its symbol is the the flag of the united

states its constitution

represents that material form and so on

and so on right

the form is material now

lacon jacques lacron

was the first to give expression to a

word for a material form

because before the khan

there is an assumption in western

thought

which is why westerners have never

understood

by the way

marxism leninism there's an assumption

in western thought

that forms our ideas

and content refers to the real material

thing right so the form is the idea the

platonic idea the content is the real

material thing

what lacon discovers thank you dj what

lacon discovers

is that

there are material forms

and he calls these material forms

symptoms

symptoms

and why does he call it a symptom

upon inquiring into material reality

you are met with a pattern of some kind

the same thing keeps disclosing itself

to you

the same symptom

fundamental symptom

that symptom represents an imminent

material limitation

and in this way

there are symptoms material forms in

reality

so america as a country is a symptom

you can dislike the american flag you

can keep pointing out the

inconsistencies of some straw man

american ideology of a perfect country

with no flaws and no genocide of

indigenous people but

that symptom

is real

that symptom that american flag and

american patriotism merely gives

expression to is the real symptom

and it's a material symptom it's not

defined by morality it's not defined by

how oppressed people are or how unjust

things are it is a real fundamental

symptom a real limitation of what the

american people are and how they are

right their way of life these are all

material things

you can keep attacking the ideology of

america or the idea of america right

but how do you give expression to the

symptom

of america

right

because despite your criticism the

symptoms keep coming back right so this

is what

socialist patriotism is this is what

patriotic socialism is it is not an

ideology

is that it is a way of reconciling the

ideology of socialism scientific

socialism by the way which is a realist

ideology a scientific ideology with the

symptom

of the patria right

the patria being the country the country

of america

that is patriotic socialism not an

ideology a form of realism

okay

so you guys need to not fall into their

traps when they point out

that

the founding fathers did bad [ __ ]

they are not pointing out anything

that's relevant when they point out that

america was founded on stolen land

it's not that they're wrong or that well

you're neglecting how america was also

progressive in many ways

that's just not relevant

okay it's just not relevant to what

patriotic socialists are saying

pointing out the progressive legacy of

america again is not [ __ ] relevant

you are playing their game and falling

into their trap

by focusing on the ideological aspect

but no one is addressing the actual

material aspect okay

patriotic socialism is about materialism

it's about socialist realism

it is in no way

about

whether america can be redeemed or not

it's not that it has nothing to do with

that okay

you're framing everything in moral terms

when you do that okay

it's about whether america is materially

real or not

and that's why people who argue america

is just not materially real

will be arguing with me if you want to

argue with me about this don't tell me

that america's stolen land or that

america's chauvinist and imperialist and

all this kind of [ __ ]

and white supremacy says that in general

indigenous people you're not actually um

saying anything relevant if you want to

argue with me

about social patriotic socialism then

convince me that america isn't a real

material thing say america is just a

state apparatus held up by force and at

the minute this apparatus crumbles there

is no

imminent material feature or character

of the american people that would

reproduce america america is purely

upheld by the superstructure there's no

material reality of america no material

form of america if you can if you can

successfully argue that case you can

completely demolish my position right i

just don't think you can successfully

advocate that and why

because while i do agree

that american civilization is not

complete

right

what i consider to be the ultimate

cunning of history and my prophetic

insight right if you will my shtick

is that

communist

it is the destiny

of america

to realize itself materially

through communism

communism coming to america is chickens

coming home to roost

for me

the significance of communism for

america specifically

is completing the mythological violence

that is the foundation

of a material civilization

that to me is the meaning of

uh

communism in america

yes america

so there's two things

is america materially real is america a

symptom

yes and no no because

it is inexorably entwined

with the state

right

but also

yes

because it is begging it is

in its inner striving materially it is

awaiting

the material

america is like an ailing uh

symptom that wants to be recognized it

hasn't been recognized yet

because this state is part of material

reality and

by the state for example i don't refer

to um

only to the current government i'm

talking about the alienation

posed by the central government to the

population that uniquely defines america

like we don't have a civilization in

america we have the largest prison

population of anywhere in the world

because we don't have a civilization we

have a people and a completely alien

state

and the only interaction between the

people in the state takes the form

basically

of um criminalizing the people right the

only if you're gonna come to blows with

the state it's because you're going to

be locked up and put in prison

otherwise you keep separate the states

here the people are here leave each

other alone if the state comes after you

it's because you're in [ __ ] trouble

right

we don't have a civilization why because

a civilization

mediates the relationship between a

people in a state so in a civilization

for example

the people can in a hands-off way

reproduce

the essence of the state

from below right

in a civilization

um

there's this kind of meeting point

between people and state

where there's this kind of synthesis or

harmony between them right that's what

it means for us to to be a civilization

and we don't have that in the united in

this country right so to me the paradox

is that communism

is an

um

decisive part of the chapter of the

story of america

of the emergence of an american

civilization

here in the united states now mexico has

a civilization latin america there's a

civilization but here united states

what is our country called it's called

the united states of america it's not a

completed project it's not complete okay

it's not complete it's just called the

united states of america here we are on

this new world

this new continent

it's not new hands indigenous people

here first shut the [ __ ] up because it

is new from the vantage point of the old

world from which the majority of

inhabitants here are so yes it is new

okay

it's a new world

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america

it's called we call it america we don't

call it turtle island even indigenous

people don't call it [ __ ] turtle

island we call it america

okay

and

we just have a united states of america

and our constitution was very simple

what our founding fathers created

was actually extremely simple

i'm talking about what they created

what they inherited was slavery and and

genocide indigenous whatever it's not

relevant that's from history but what

did they actually create they created

something

which is very simple and and and

ambiguous right they created a very

specific type of state right

which in no way was uniquely defined

uh by the cruelties and excesses of

european um colonialism

i mean that came from europe we didn't

inherit a lot from europe we did

but that's not the essence of what

america is materially speaking and

that's what

socialists and communists

need to actually get to the business of

of understanding

what is america in the material sense

not in the moral sense

in the material sense what is america

what is this country what is what is it

right

um

so yes you we need to understand that

again repeat after me guys what's the

ultimate takeaway

what do i want you to take away from

this and keep in your head

what do i want you to take away

there you go audacity got it

thank you kane got it

that's what i want you to take away

patriotic socialism is not an ideology

it is not an ideology

we already have the ideology of marxism

leninism and scientific socialism the

patriotism part doesn't come from

ideology

it comes from a scientific relationship

to reality it's a form of realism okay

it's a sober

form of reconciled realism okay

it's realism that's where it comes from

okay and that's where we're coming from

okay

um

i cannot hammer that point home enough

can you explain realism sure

so

when you have art or ideology

um or philosophy even right

you kind of contradict reality in some

kind of way right

like if i have an idea

well what's the relationship to the real

thing well all realism basically means

is an idea or an a piece of art for

example or an aesthetic something you

create as a human being

that is at the same time in

contradiction with material reality

tries to give

the best

representation and best not only

representation but best expression to

material reality

right

how can we best express reality

through

a medium that is not immediately reality

right for example here's reality and

here's my idea of reality right a

realist wants their idea of reality

to give the best expression to reality

possible so that's what realism means

right

is impressionism a form of realism yeah

it is it's the probably the first form

of realism

it's the first form of realism uh

socialist realism is an um derivative of

impressionism by the way actually

impressionism is the first form of

social realism

is what i would say

what about eurasianism is that more like

a geopolitical part

uh

eurasianism is about the substance right

american patriotism

is

not we don't we have a missing substance

right so eurasianism is our substance

that's where that comes in

i'll argue against patriotic souls go

ahead sure get in my vc and argue about

it

you can debate me right now

go ahead and get in my vc and we will

debate about patriotic socialism right

now

i'm gonna go pee i'll be right back i

gotta piss just get in my vc and when i

get back

we'll be ready to go

okay

change the title

i'm gonna go pee

all right is he in vc

all right here he is he's in vc

okay

hello

hello

yeah right you wanted to debate

one point now i'm on here it's pretty

crazy

okay let's do it

yeah awesome uh yes so

i think you could probably change my

opinion on patriotic socialism but i

still don't

think

i fully

grasp exactly how you see patriots

patriotic socialism moving forward when

discussing like where this country is

materially headed and how that path

you know affects the working class in

america

relative to the destruction of

imperialism right because

well my my perspective on patriotic

socialism is

this country and i don't really see what

you mean by america isn't a civilization

so maybe we could talk more about that

but

i see america definitely as a

civilization and it's part of you know

it's

the heart of western civilization and

it's the heart of nato and

these

the way america is materially built on

the surface of the earth meaning like

the actual physical structure of america

the phone lines the trains the cars

this is its own american reality it's

units unique

uh relative to other countries in the

world because imperialism is directly

tied into the economy which materially

is reflected in the society itself when

you look at how the trains are about how

many i mean i live in los angeles right

now

and i agree this city is [ __ ] satanic

and one of the reasons why is because

there's like

horrible horrible traffic everywhere

because it wasn't designed with people

in mind it's not like north korea it's

not like china the civilization itself

is

it materially exists as a different

being on the planet

than these other civilizations so i

think when you when you talk about

patriotic socialism

i just don't see a path forward for

which you can unite the american working

class together

against the deep state

when this country runs on the deep state

meaning that in the short term if

if the imperialist nature of america

were to collapse in on itself in the

short term

this would be destructive for american

society in total

so when you when you're when you're

leading an american patriotic socialist

movement

what what

what are you binding what vision are you

bringing like the people through like

what vision of the future are you

bringing the people through because to

me i see a

a future that is

very much coming it's already coming and

i don't think it really fits in your

framework

but i'd like you to explain that to me

more if you could

the um

the future you're talking about is

socialism

okay

it's a revolution in the forces of

production

we just lack the political will to um

be worthy of it basically but yeah it's

every revolution in the forces of

production

does take the form of some kind of

socialism right in history

okay because it requires the state to

intervene in some kind of way

specifically

um to basically um

to initiate policies and actions on

behalf of the majority of people it to

to retain sovereignty and retain its

existence right so

when you so you said a lot of things you

said you don't see how in the current

direction how can the working class be

united against the deep state but the

working class is already being united

against the deep state it's just that

communists or socialists are not leading

the effort

and

there's a there's a big um mistake

people make

and actually someone raised this in my

discord and i can address it right now

which is like

what is the relationship between

politics and like directly the standard

of living or how easy it is to live and

what we depend upon so like for example

you could say well americans way of life

is dependent upon

the unequal

economic relationship between the united

states and other countries

well this is a really bad uh

simplification of understanding like

global systems theory and understanding

could i interject really quick go ahead

could you repeat what you just said

there sorry

my mind's going a million miles

repeat what

the le that's the very last thing you

said

the um so for example a lot of people

say why would americans rise up when the

american way of life is dependent on

like for example

deep state's policies

right right

so

someone raised this uh point in my

discord and they were basically like

well you know what

lenin is arguing against caleb maupin

because caleb is saying that

the essence of communism is to increase

the productive forces and raise people's

center living and he pointed out how

lenin was arguing against these um

german social democrats who were saying

that a revolution in germany right now

would lead to a decline in a

deterioration in the standard of living

and therefore it's not in the workers

interests to pursue it right

so here you have direct evidence of

lenin contradicting maupin

but the issue here

is that

first of all it doesn't take into effect

into account time right there's a

temporary sacrifice that has to be made

for the long term

uh

rate standard of living being raised

right so that's the issue of time that's

not being taken into account but the

more fundamental problem posed by this

is what is the relationship between

people's political interests and their

immediate standard of living and way in

life the truth is is that it's indirect

even if

americans are not going

to let

a deterioration in their standard of

living

stop them from opposing imperialism and

opposing the ruling class

because there's no direct relationship

between those things it's an indirect

relationship and if it's an indirect

relationship they will feel the effects

of their struggle and their action maybe

in the form of um

a deterioration in their standard of

living but that's a side effect of

struggle human beings will sacrifice

their way of life politics is not about

direct

um

consumption

politics is about a war within like the

symbolic order it's about a war of

meaning right it's about a war

of being right and for this war

if since politics is an extensive war

people will even give their lives for

this war right it's not it's not

a question of people will be unwilling

because they don't want to lose their

standard of living they don't have a

direct political relationship to their

standard of living to begin with their

standard of living will rise and fall

and their political relationships

to the state and to the political class

war has no

they won't feel the direct relationship

right it's not like for example

the signifier

that's being triggered when people rail

against the deep state is

i'm gonna have less steak for my

barbecue the signifier specifically

pertains to

an issue of corruption an issue to um

class warfare right it's not

it's not directly about consumption

yeah but like are you speaking you talk

you said earlier and you're kind of

alluding to it here you know in america

i think really america's unique case

because you mentioned political will you

know

to me it's like

how so in this country

political will in what sense like what

is the alternative because to me this is

just like a phenom like american

politics to me is not really a war like

maybe you know politics if you're

talking in a broad universal sense sure

but like to me american politics at this

point is is mostly just

you know the pentagon operates entirely

on its own for the most part

like the cia is really working

independently and the white house acts

as a pr room

for the face of

the american civilization like you know

when they when they put these

people out for the state department

whether it's biden or trump like they're

all actors like at the end of the day

they're all actors they're not

those individuals that are then

conceptualized in our mind and it starts

crafting our narrative which is the

basis from which almost every american

is going to operate at

you know because like even

what i'm saying is even in america if

you look

at

communities like jimmy dore i love jimmy

dore i love jimmy dore

i think he's a great guy but like if you

read his community like

they are very much anti-china he said

something decent about china and the

whole his whole today in the stream and

his whole chat was going against china

oh that all the hospitals are falling

apart and they're reflecting

institutions that exist

that are interwoven with the military

industrial complex so

i think it's a lot simpler though i

don't think you have to talk about

institutions and the military-industrial

complex i think you just talk about the

fact

that for reasons that actually might

relate to the propaganda coming from the

military-industrial complex one way or

another

there has come to be an association

between china

and

the all-encompassing tyranny of the

government

and specifically like the new type of

tyranny that western governments are

attempting to um

they see in china a dark future more or

less right so this is because they have

acquired a false

understanding of china if they're

presented

a china in a different light

actually even just based on facts

is that phenomenon possible like is it

possible for there to be a movement

inside of america in 2022 or within the

next 10 years in which it's

majority it's just accepted broadly that

it's okay to have a popular view on

china because let me tell you like i was

just reading it i don't even play tennis

i was reading a tennis magazine at my

friend's house the other day and i turn

one page and it's like the most

ridiculous yeah we have a lot of

anti-china sentiment and propaganda i'm

realizing

so

what i realized

recently is that it's like

it's so beyond

like everything you hear bad about i

don't think it's it's it's a

metaphysical um impenetrable like

mystery i think

i don't think it's important i think

it's very easy to convince people that

china is not in fact

the thing i've done

i've done it to a bunch of people you

know my friends did it to me um you know

i used to watch [ __ ]

oh my god i used to watch bosh dude for

a while i was [ __ ] terrible

um but i was i got out of that luckily

um

[ __ ] i debated him when i first became

an ml and i did a i didn't do a great

job because i had no idea what the [ __ ]

i was talking about but

yeah a whole different

thought

but um i just don't i just i still

when you talk about patriotic socialism

so like you

think we really need to get to like the

point of what the contention is right we

need to get to the point of what the

issue is

that i i don't think patriotic socialism

as a community you can coexist with

the mechanisms in society that american

people are bound to

like which one specifically

um just like the way society is

the social sphere we live in is very

much based on consumerism and that

consumerism is very much based on the us

united states ability to sanction other

countries that's actually not true um so

this no the structure of a consuming

china is becoming

yeah but america doesn't really produce

anything it's like

anymore that doesn't help america or

americans

okay

there's a very wrong view of consumerism

according to which

we are like the fat guys in wall-e and

everyone's our slave because they make

things for us

but i don't i don't think that well no

i'm sorry let's

please

not

mistaken this for me saying oh there's

no more i don't care about nuance first

of all i don't care about nuance i care

about

good generalizations okay so there's

good generalizations i don't it's not

that it's wrong because it's more

nuanced it's fundamentally wrong

because it doesn't it mistakens the

it mistakens what makes a country have

an industrial edge a country is going to

be more powerful and more successful

when it's manufacturing things and it

doesn't matter who it's manufacturing

things for okay

it's just manufacturing things and it

owns those means of production

nationally right so the fact that we

don't produce anything here doesn't mean

that

we're in some kind of dominant position

it actually means that jobs are becoming

worse in quality for the majority of

people and therefore the spending power

of people

is becoming pegged to credit and debt

specifically debt printed by the

government or debt taken on personally

which is enslaving them to the banks so

i mean like

that specific problem you described of

us not producing anything has literally

been the source of a a lot of the

populism within america against the

status quo because people are not

content

but if you look at that populism look

where it goes

like

i don't think it's gone anywhere i think

it's still here

but but it's very much into the

establishment like that like what are

the anti-assassins and okay and

i don't think i just

what is the popular space in america

because if you're talking about a

populist base like tucker carlson's base

which tucker carlson occasionally has

good views on some things tucker carl

says carlson's base is just like

the purest form of liberal you can get

yeah but i i i also think you are

engaged

i think you're you're engaging in

something called idealism

where

okay you are looking i know the i know

the scientific like you can i know what

it is but i don't think you know you

know what i'm gonna say though i think

what you think is that

what is you're not actually addressing

where populism comes from or what it

actually is

you're addressing its established

manifestations right that exists now

yeah

which which which which makes it

impossible for you to anticipate future

forms of populism

and no not necessarily okay i don't i

don't see why that would be the case

you're saying right because since i'm

since i'm observing the current

population there are a lot of ambiguous

forms of populism that have not been

established into a neat box yet but

isn't that something different because

to me yeah why not i don't see how it's

different for example where new yorkers

i'll explain why i think it's different

i think it's different because the

actual because the populism exhibited in

america is an individualistic

to borrow a word you just

like it's not populism like in the ussr

or in china like it's just not when when

populism american comes up it's banned

all together

uh

we don't give a [ __ ] about anyone else

but it's not an actual sense of for the

people like tucker carlson's base

doesn't really give a [ __ ] about people

like you you know that's all you know

helen all populism

is by your own definition

individualistic you know because when i

say band together i don't give a [ __ ]

about anyone else that's that's that's

materialist populism no because now

you're playing now i don't mean that as

an idealistic universal i'm not saying

ban to everyone who bands together is

abstractly bad and if you come together

then that's bad because no that's i

think you you don't know what i'm saying

at all i'm saying

all populism is based not on morality

not on compassion not on empathy but

actual material interests of people

right so yes it's it's always by

definition

because you bizarrely describe it

individualistic okay it's not moral it's

not based on having concerns

no it's not based on morality i agree

it's not it's not compassion it's that

compassion has nothing to do with

politics compassion is for puppies

and possibly like uh yeah compassion is

like a uh you know it's like a

it's like i don't want to say icing on

the cake but it's just a byproduct of of

something that exists more more

fundamentally yeah so i mean it's it's

it's so it's when when you say they band

together we don't give a [ __ ] well

that's what all populism is

okay so let's so let me put it this way

if you if you

i don't think necessarily like

you're talking about

you're interpreting it as if i'm saying

it abstractly and and you're saying that

the phenomena so like you're saying the

phenomenon in china for example the

collective you don't think there's a

collective

force that is fundamentally different

between chinese populism and american

populism because when you look at

american populist movements they tend to

be

white nationalists like does that count

as a as an american you're not talking

about populism you're talking about the

super structural apparatus that is

giving ideal form to the popular well

yeah i mean aren't they tied so the

difference is that china has a leading

communist party that is the only

difference is that the communist party

in china leads the populist sentiment

that's the only difference that's the

only difference that's the only

difference between america and china is

that

is that there's a communist party in

china and that's the only difference or

do you think that the con that the

reason there's a communist party in

china is because there were there was a

history behind china which led towards

that becoming a reality which is just

materially extremely different from the

history in which america was built upon

it's both okay obviously china's unique

history in civilization

hey can you just stop [ __ ]

interrupting me okay

it's obvious that china's unique history

okay

gave rise to the circumstances out of

which communists would be victorious but

you cannot underplay

the role of communist consciousness

and the role of the competence and

effectiveness of communist specifically

in being not obviously there is a

historical reason i'm just saying

um that doesn't say anything

prescriptively about what communists in

america should be doing we can't sit

here and say oh we don't have the

correct historical conditions to rise to

power because we're different than china

we are different from china and

competent communists should be able to

articulate those differences and also

with we need also a better theory of why

russia and china were more disposed to

communism and if we have that type of

reflexive theory communism can be

victorious in the west and in america

and that's been the whole purport of my

project is that the reason communists

have failed in the west in america isn't

just because of differing historical

factors but also because of the

insufficient theoretical insufficiency

of the communists in these countries

that have disallowed them to actually

learn from the experience of russia and

china

theoretical like do you mean how they

actually applied theory or do you mean

they actually just didn't know theory

themselves

western communists did not know how to

interpret

and learn from the victory of communists

in the soviet union in china like for

example western communists did not

interpret mao's victory in china by

trying to have an american populism and

translate that into american conditions

all they did was try and replicate the

ideological fanaticism of the red guards

during the late stages of the cultural

revolution

completely sidestepping the point in the

meat and potatoes and the essence of why

communism was victorious in china we can

translate this essence into america we

just have to know what we're doing and

communists in this country don't know

what they're doing

but like

the idea that you just need better

communist leaders in america to then

free the minds of the the americans

living in america no we don't need to

free their minds we just need

me that's backwards from the way it

would go like you can't just you can't

just present good ideas to the american

people that are totally not in alignment

with their

crafted reality of what they live in due

to growing that's literally what's

happening that's already happening about

how western communists were so

unsuccessful yeah yeah

because they they grew up in the west

and even they were

reflecting their own you know

society

look you're you're basically you're

engaging in this like philosophical

confusion about the relationship between

free will and determinism right

and of course marxism leninism has a

very specific articulation about this

relationship and it's that freedom is

insight into necessity so being born in

the west is not an excuse for being

ineffective it may have made it so it

was less easier to for you to stumble

into victory just because of the passive

result of your environment and your

conditions around you but the whole

point of theory and consciousness is to

be able to learn from those things so

when in china and russia when communists

accidentally and it's not because

they're superior humans in russia and

china it's because yes those conditions

enabled them to be victorious in ways

that weren't possible here but then it's

our task to correctly interpret why that

was so that it can be replicated here we

are not the passive result of our

environment

that's where i'm that's where i'm like

that's where the train of thought just i

can't follow you there because it's like

you're already looking for you're like

oh well why didn't it work

we have to figure out how it will work

you're assuming like your analysis of

the past is on the assumption that it

can work in the future when

why

so why can't it work in the future

because i don't

it applies to marxism as a whole hold on

that whole thing applies to marxism as a

whole you're assuming marx was assuming

that socialism can work in the future on

what basis well the whole point is to

establish a scientific relationship to

reality including the reality you live

to in the west and just have that

working relationship you're not

promising any future outcome you're

establishing a specific relationship

between the organization the party and

the class the working class once you

establish that relationship that working

relationship everything proceeds from

there that's the step one that

westerners can't do

okay

so i i can ask let me ask you a question

then so like in a in a

communist america led by patriotic

socialist

all the ships all the navy ships all the

uh air all the f-35s that are

you know

malfunctioning i wish i could worry

about that i wish i could worry about

what i'm saying i wish i could worry

about what we're gonna do with our

[ __ ] military when literally step one

right now is just having a working class

party that is based in the working class

that draws support from us at least a

significant minority of the working

class like that's just step one what

you're talking about is step nine

thousand nine hundred and ninety nine

and by the time we get there who [ __ ]

knows

we don't even know what anything will be

like

by the time you get there it's just

gonna stay the way it is because then at

that point when you already okay so what

you're saying is that you just want an

excuse to sit on your couch and do

nothing no well then how do you know

it's going to be the same you're in like

inventing this cops to justify some

ulterior motive to just sit on your

couch and do nothing how do you know

it's going to be the same you don't know

that nothing sit on the couch and do

nothing but i'm not saying also to that

it's possible to lead a

communist movement in america that

is

that takes on the identity of being a

patriotic socialist and because because

you say you say as part of the patriotic

socialist identity as you you know you

want

it's not an identity it's not an

identity every every you ha there is an

identity behind the patriarchy no it's

there is not there is not that identity

has been forced upon us because those

people are different from us

and they are trying to identify us

well i'm not talking about the one

that's forced upon you i'm just talking

about there's no identity it's not based

on an identity okay sure sure

maybe i didn't use the best choice of

words there but i was getting at

something else what i'm saying is

when you say you want to you know bring

america to a better future right because

you're connecting with

working-class americans that are not all

going to be

watching marxist line in his dreams

and reading theories so you kind of have

to meet the people where they're at when

you're you know doing this right that

people do not give a [ __ ] about ideology

they don't

yeah they don't in terms of actually

like being active and going to do so you

don't have to meet them in the middle

ideologically at all you just have to

actually address their reality correctly

in a way they understand

yeah i guess

i guess the the

the issue is that when if you're

anti-imperialist and you're anti uh

if you're if you're

if you're essentially anti the

established order like the immediate

short term which you've acknowledged

earlier is going to be a rough ride it's

not going to be pretty like it's just

not

so i mean when you're leading a

patriotic socialist movement and you

want what's best for america and you're

dealing with people who don't give a

[ __ ] about ideology so they're not

thinking

oh i read satan revolution i understand

you know that the the future is coming

and you know like it's not going to be

like that and you're selling them a

reality that

you're going to buy selling anything for

america okay listen if we fight for a

better america and as a result okay

okay okay okay hold on okay

trump's movement

yeah has led to a considerable risk

of the political situation in america

deteriorating right i i mean trump made

me an ml so okay

and also the economic situation as a

result

and people don't care because

yes ideally we do want a better society

we want to pursue that but if as a

result of that conflict

you're going to have

um you know troubles and economic

troubles

that's a side effect that is completely

immaterial okay it has nothing to do

with the motivations for why people are

going to be loyal to the political

movements they do they're not going to

say oh well we're not going to side with

trump because trump is leading to

instability to say i don't care about

instability i care about what's right

and what's wrong and trump's right we

want to fight we're not going to let the

enemy win and in pursuit of fighting

their enemy they don't care what's going

to happen they don't they don't care if

it leads to an economic breakdown or it

leads to some kind of political turmoil

and that that's it's not because trump

has brainwashed them into an ideology

it's because they've had it's because

it's because the it's because struggle

itself

and waging this struggle itself this war

itself

has already shifted

or

initiated them

into being

soldiers of a political war

if you're a soldier of a war your

primary concern

is no longer about your immediate

personal interests

it's about who's going to win this war

your side or their side earlier earlier

you were saying populism is just a

matter of personal interest and no one

thinks no i was granting you

your bizarre and arbitrary claim that

populism is just individualism and i

said okay by that definition all

populism is individualized first first

let me i gotta introduce i didn't say

his individual yeah yeah you said you

said the tucker carlson you said

american populism is individualistic

every single person it doesn't matter

it's not it's not material to the point

it's not material to the point what you

said was tucker carlson populism is

individualistic okay well i said okay

then by that definition of individualism

all populism is individualistic no i why

why would i think that i said i think

that

oh you think oh you're saying you think

all populism is individualism if you're

by your definition yes

okay yeah i wouldn't myself call it

individualistic but if you're gonna

define individualism that way then sure

all populism is individualistic

but you haven't correctly described

trump tucker carlson's populism as

individualistic because tucker carlson

supporters are not primarily concerned

with

make making all the decisions that are

going to lead to the most optimal

individual outcome as far as

economic stability is concerned

when they talk about

fighting for

okay let me i'm just gonna like i don't

know if i have to do this microsoft

paint or something

it's actually very simple right here

right okay when you create a political

movement around

um increasing everyone's wealth and

having a better standard of living okay

that can itself be the impetus for a

contradiction with other political

factions or political sides of the aisle

right

that can lead to a war

and it's the war that matters

and that's primary okay so if you

actually want to fight for a better

standard of living or a better world

winning the war is the most important

thing not being consistent with the

principle

you uh have defined yourself on the

basis okay

so because political that political war

is the basis of your political faction

so let me see so if i want to fight for

a better standard of living

i have to paradoxically engage in

actions and decisions that will lead to

a worse standard of living right

yeah that's a natural consequence of my

position my vision

being politically antagonistic

okay so i'm in america uh the the

reality is that

we have been inundated with

anti-communist propaganda for

decades it means nothing

it means so this is what i'm saying is

is what you're saying now essentially

the fact that most americans are are

anti-china

i i don't it doesn't faze me i i i'm

just i can't respect i cannot respect

american communists

who are intimidated or impressed or

overwhelmed by the ideological supervise

when you look at the meat and potatoes

and actually try to

understand what people really and

essentially mean by these ideologies

you will not have this lack of

confidence of being able to persuade

people

that your

position is correct like okay well

everyone was you're it's like it's like

it's like it's so childish oh people are

saying mean and bad things about

communism it's almost like a child this

is this is what it's like this is what

it's like i'll explain to you what it's

like not about it it's it's it's like

it's like a child it's like a child

having a teddy bear that they project

all of their feelings of goodness and

warmth and kindness on and then they see

other people

pissing and [ __ ] on this teddy bear

and they just can't get over this

superstition that these people are

pissing and [ __ ] on their sense of

warmth and wholesomeness when what those

people have in mind when they're

[ __ ] on the teddy bear is that the

teddy bear is an actual an [ __ ] and a

murderer or something and it's like you

can't get over that it's the teddy bear

you cannot get over that it's the teddy

bear that's that's being incriminated

here

is the teddy bear china yeah the teddy

bears the word china or communism or

anything else just like you're saying

it's an emotional response and i'm

saying

it's

because china and communism is your

teddy bear

you're not focusing on what it actually

means you're just focusing on the

superficial word and the superficial

ideology instead of what it actually

means in reality you're just focusing on

like

the specific way you cope with reality

through ideology instead of actually

caring about what the ideology is

supposed to really and essentially mean

ideologies and words are supposed to

make our reality more intelligible so

communist ideology is not hold on hold

on communist ideology

is not supposed to be a [ __ ] coping

mechanism that we have this sensitive

attitude toward it's supposed to make

our reality clearer and more

intelligible than it otherwise would be

that's what scientific socialism is so i

can care less if americans harbor

superficially harbor anti-communist

views because i know

what they think of when they think of

communism is not what i think of when i

think of communism it has a utility

that they can be shown the utility and

it will completely change the meaning

right you're acting i feel like you're

acting those if you're in a vacuum with

the american people post

you know

trump era because there's going to be

other competing forces and other

coercive forces and other you know it's

not just yeah

and the science the science of marxism

predicts

the science of marxism predicts that all

of those forces will fail because they

don't have a scientific relationship to

their own material object they don't

have the scientific language to describe

the actual historical and material

forces that they are attempting to

articulate in reference

so what happens though i mean

if you're leading a patriotic socialist

movement and let's say you know

different a different variety of

patriotic socialists comes up that does

a job adopt the anti-china and does have

a pro-imperialist hand which may very

well happen okay yeah and they do want

to keep the military industrial complex

they do say china is bad and they want

freedom individually it probably will

happen at this pace honestly

yeah it probably uh aoc and then the dsa

that's probably what's going to happen

yeah and i think it could happen with

the movement you essentially see

yourself as a sure i mean the social

democratic movement gave rise to fascism

yeah uh so

what's your point

my point is that i think uh

i think

the reality is that the patriotic

socialist movement is really part of

that phenomenon that's occurring right

now

is that like it's it's adopting the

aesthetics no because even fascism all

even fascism is ultimately condemned to

fail

it may temporarily acquire power but

ultimately it's condemned to fear german

communists were right when they said

fascism would ultimately fail it did

ultimately fail and the result was that

in the eastern part of germany communist

acquired power

i mean fascism had one goal which was to

wage and win war and it lost it lost its

wars

the italians lost in ethiopia

humiliatingly and then they lost in

world war ii mean is that comparable to

the to the american you know

is that really comparable i mean i don't

see what you what your point is because

yes it is it possible that opportunistic

forces will have an easy time hijacking

communism or a communist movement you

can because they have because they have

the power of the vested monetary

interests who will fund them and and

yeah whatever that are gonna fund them

of course but

we never said this wasn't gonna be a war

it is communists have to remain

steadfast in their position

uh hold the line and keep fighting

no matter what you know what but

but tucker carlson is that then he he is

essentially the bastardization of

populism is he not i mean it's like we

don't know we don't i don't think he's a

bastardization of populism i think he is

a spontaneous populist

he's not a scientific

the danger isn't going to come from

tucker carlson the danger is going to

come

when the deep state the democrats in

other words the people behind the

democrats at the very least

start getting behind this fake form of

populism to use against china

that's what's going to be the issue and

that's why communists need to be very

careful

and very steadfast in keeping the

pressure and keeping the heat on the

deep state and the forces behind the

great reset as long as we direct popular

anger

against them and as long as we wage war

against the democrats and the elites

they will not be able to accomplish this

deception

okay yes

you're saying it you're saying

you know you're agreeing that reality

essentially is going to move forward you

know based on

the current structure that exists but

that

that's not necessarily an in you know

that's not really impeding your

development of a patriotic socialist

movement no my our slogan is the cpusa

2036

by 2036 which is more than 10 years from

now

our goal is pretty modest we just want a

reformed communist party

that is a mass movement of millions of

people and that's what we want in more

than 10 years we don't we're not saying

we're going to be in power in 10 years

we're not saying we're going to be

president in 10 years we literally just

want a worker's party movement by 2036.

but this is the thing

do you want to

that that clears thing up i mean i

definitely

have a different

view on it then i mean but

how what do you mean by

we're not going to become

are you suggesting that one time

eventually you want to

have someone run for federal office i

mean

possibly

we'll see what we want is a political

platform and you're kind of working are

you not

we want our own corporation we want our

own corporation we want our own way of

generating money

of billions and billions of dollars

potentially and you want to work in

order to have a independent political

existence we want our own corporate

machines to participate in the house of

representatives in congress and sure

of course

nothing's off the table

nothing

unless there's a drastic collapse of

this country in the states already

smashed and destroyed if you are

successful in having someone attain the

office of presidency then you've already

been compromised like

if you get that again you are thinking

of everything in terms of end goals

and you're not thinking of things in

terms of what the meaning of aspiring

toward that end goal is for a struggle

so when you run a candidate you're not

necessarily expecting to win you may win

who knows you're open to whatever

outcome

is this pre-destruction of the us state

you know what i'm saying like like

ultimately as a communist you you would

need to smash the american state before

anything else no i mean no you don't

aspire to smash anything

i don't mean i don't mean like don't you

don't aspire to smash anything

you merely prepare yourself for a

collapse

which is what communists have done and

or prepare yourself for a revolutionary

circumstance which are unlikely but you

still prepared for it to happen when it

which is effectively the same thing as a

collapse right so when the moment comes

you seize the moment but beyond this no

you don't smash anything per se

and

it's a kind of like a fallacious

smash is a little bit of a you know it's

it's a fallacious way of reasoning

though you're saying

you need to dismantle at some point

the uh

a huge sector of the economy needs to be

just totally turned on its head and like

banking and i mean because if you turn

the military the reason why i focus on

the military military-industrial complex

so much is because every single other

industry that exists in america is

interwoven to it

if you if the military-industrial

complex fails the entire system of

america will fail

it's all connected the banking is

connected to their industrial complex

and the banking is like you know i mean

it's just

it's all one network of blood flow so

what what exactly is your point

i mean

i've i don't have

saying that i don't think uh

i didn't really have a point

in that in that sentence i'm just

responding to what you were saying but

yeah

responding to what

i don't know one of the things you said

bro i forgot okay what i was trying to

say is that

running and aspiring to become president

doesn't mean

doesn't mean you're going to be

president at all costs so it doesn't

mean for example that oh if it push came

to shove would you compromise with the

establishment if you could be president

no of course not no yeah okay so

aspiring to be president doesn't mean

that it's about the end goal

of being president as the ultimate ends

okay the ultimate ends

is squarely defined by the institution

of the communist party and not by the us

government okay yeah the ultimate ends

is securing the proletarian dictatorship

serving the people being a tribune of

the people that's serving the interests

of the working class that's the ultimate

interest

i just yeah i don't see that as being

possible i think if you attempt to enact

like this patriotic uh socialism

movement on on a large scale then uh

it's just

what do you mean on a large scale can

you please explain what you mean on a

lot a lot i don't think patriotic

socialism

existing on twitch or youtube is the

same as

um as

so how are you not a crab in a bucket

i am doing like

the bit like what the the most i can do

as a human being

which is media

and you're a crab in a bucket bitching

that i'm just on [ __ ] twitch right

now and then i'm not king of the [ __ ]

universe like what do you want from me

i don't i don't know it's like i try to

do one thing

one simple thing and i'm held to the

standard of being the universal god

emperor of the [ __ ] universe and

you're complaining that i'm just on

twitch or i'm just on youtube well what

do you want from me you want me to just

do nothing like you and sit on my couch

what actually do you want from me

i think i just don't think you should be

what should i be doing instead of doing

this

i mean you're doing what you're doing is

fine okay so why are you why are you

saying i don't think if it's on twitch

like why are you being a crab in a

bucket

like

just saying something isn't possible

before it even is able to happen i mean

i'm just starting media i've just

started this right

like

this is a very fresh nascent tendency

that's emerged

nothing has yet come of it and it's like

you're complaining that nothing has come

of it okay well you're saying nothing

will ever come of it how do you know i

mean why are you saying that well i

think because the history of

of america suggests that it's just not

phenomenal let me ask you a question

before you've ever heard of me okay okay

before okay

before okay i'll ask you a question

before you've ever heard of who i was

ever right would you have been able to

predict that infrared would come into

existence

really

definitely yeah so you predicted

infrared

i was in i was in the very beginning

but you predicted that infrared

was going to exist yes because my

friends were also becoming

so you predicted infrared and social

patriotism

um

i mean the socialist patriotism

i feel like you focused on more recently

well that's something i'm specifically

doing i'm not like the other mls what

we're talking about is what you came to

debate about right so would you have

been able to predict that a new tendency

was going to emerge that they call

patriotic socialism

before it even came into being i think

has it not already existed in uh

in history before this was there not a

patriotic socialist movement in america

would you okay the answer is obviously

no

so you keep

when this is what happens when there's a

new thing that emerges and you keep

talking about history it's very clear

you either don't have an adequate

understanding of history or you're not

able to anticipate events as they're

unfolding in real time

okay yes

i mean you could be right i i will say

that you could be right so i mean

you're not you're not wrong in the sense

i'm just trying to understand i can't

say anything with 100 so what is the

problem i'm just trying to understand

the problem

um

i don't really i don't really have a

problem i just don't necessarily see it

being successful long term but i don't

think that doesn't mean you can't try i

mean you can try and if you do well and

everything stays on course and

you know you don't get co-opted because

yeah but we're you're here to debate

socialist patriotism or whatever so it's

like

what yeah i said what i have to say i

still think that imperialism harm you

know the death of imperialism will harm

the

material reality of the american working

class yeah

uh okay assuming

okay assuming that's true assuming

that's right i mean that's true yeah

why is it relevant

well because i think if you i think when

you are in a declining country and

you're leading a patriotic social and

socialism movement the

the logical

step forward for an american who's been

inundated with propaganda their entire

life

is to go towards a reactionary turn of

china did it

or

uh

you know they will be that's already

happening and what we are what we are

telling them and what we're trying to

say

is that you cannot go back to the past

and we want to build something instead

of um

cope and say oh china's the problem we

just get rid of because in actual fact

hold on because in actual fact we're

correct we're we're actually right it's

not just ideology we're right okay

the the reason for america's decline

isn't just because of china

it's not even because of china it's

because of america's own internal

contradictions and as patriots

we want

to

understand those contradictions and be

worthy of them okay so i just don't see

i don't i just don't see you it's like

look what are what exactly are you

saying you say okay i think this will

happen what does that have to do with

what we should do

uh

i mean i don't want to like i know

you're

i'm just not a big

you talk about all the time but the use

of the american flag a lot you know it's

like so okay let me ask you a question

let's say we just ditch the american

flag and use a red flag what difference

does how does that help

probably not probably no

do you think it it even makes it worse

probably

i would just say using the american flag

probably makes your like your ability to

grow your your movement is probably

worsened by using

why

because i think instead of tapping into

people people's actual

self you know when because the working

class a lot of working-class people know

all right what does the american flag

represent to the working class

i can't speak for the working class in

that like well okay i i i come from

michigan and i hang around with these

people and grew up around them and stuff

so i'll tell you what it represents

okay i know what that in that sense yeah

i know

it represents who it represents a part

of who they are okay it represents their

home yeah it represents the part of it

it represents the

the place they grew up it represents

their parents their family

their homeland it represents their

apple pie

and everything that makes them american

and different from others that's what it

represents okay yeah and freedom and

democracy

that's that's ideology i'm talking about

at a very unconscious it's not just

ideology because yes it is because what

democracy do we have none okay so it

represents exactly don't have a

democracy we don't that's why i said

it's freedom in democracy tm so without

having to care about any ideals the

american flag represents to these people

their way of life who they are their

history their culture

their parents their family whatever okay

their barbecues whatever their food

whatever

yeah and their way of life okay working

class people it doesn't but okay i agree

that's some

for a lot of working-class people that's

not the case but for some yes it is but

i don't i'm not gonna

you know idea that the american working

class loves and worships the american

flag and they all love the american

fight that's just not true like that's

just not true so

you know it's like i i i i first of all

listen

you were taught from a young age to hate

plato so you hate generalizations right

you hate generalizations

you think it's somehow like you're

making a point by saying there's

exceptions to the general trend and it's

not actually a point because it's you're

not actually talking about anything

you're not talking about anything okay

no i am because i'm talking about the

base of people what essential point are

you making by saying not all

working-class people are fond of the

american flag because what's the

essential or is there a symptom that's

formal relevance

yeah because

i'm not saying it's you're wrong for

taking this route but okay

i don't think this is the viable route i

think this is the route but i think the

route that you're on can you tell me

what significant portion of the working

class takes issue with the american flag

percentage-wise i have no idea no what

group what specific form that's relevant

because the working class is a form

you're saying there are exceptions

within the forum those exceptions do not

assert themselves as having any

significance until they themselves

become a form so what specific form of

the working class has a problem with the

flag

because if there's no independent form

then it literally means nothing that

there's a small exceptions that have a

problem with the flag nothing

what form are you talking about then

that

okay you are saying not all

working-class people

are fond of the flag right

but if as a general trend

if as a general trend the form of the

working class

does

is fond of the flag right as a general

feature of their form

such that if there are exceptions they

come at the expense of the identity of

the working class as a form okay

what is the point of saying there's

exceptions

i was saying that there's exceptions

because you were talking about the

working class in general like it's some

sort of monolithic okay again again

please learn plato instead of reddit

plato

is about

idea it's about forms right

generalizations you hate generalizations

and you think they're not relevant and

that generalizations can have no

currency because there's exceptions i

don't think i don't think they can have

no currency i just think it's important

like right so let me explain to you

plato can i explain to you plato so from

plato if there are exceptions to a

generality

then those exceptions come at the

expense

of that specific form let me give you an

example if for example it is a general

trend for

let's say um

for goblins to

love

ass cheese keep keep this up right

goblins love ash cheese it is a general

trend of goblin-ness the form of being a

goblin they love to munch on ass cheese

do you understand

if there are some goblins

that do not

like to munch on

ass cheese

this is for a reason

that comes at the expense of them being

goblins

so insofar as it is a feature of goblin

their goblins they like to munch on ash

cheese if there are some goblins that

don't like to munch on ash cheese it is

for reasons that are different

and come at the expense of their

goblin-ness

so that's plato's people who don't

like or do not uh

view the american flag favorably

are like those goblins that don't yes

it's not it has nothing to do with them

being working class

it's for some exceptional reason

really

i don't think you can delineate it like

that even if it's for an exceptional

reason that reason is still tied to

a reality that does objective it's

everything's interrelated okay but yeah

it is not a quality of working classness

to oppose the american flag

it's not a quality of working classes to

opposing

in is this what you're saying is in

general it's not equality

yes in general working-class people are

fond of the flag

there are group exceptions like

minorities which is what i thought you

were talking about

but you're talking about individual

exceptions those are completely

meaningless

no i don't i i mean i was talking more

broader if the exceptions are not groups

it is literally immaterial

just by nature okay reddit teaches you

to use this argument in a debate that

when someone attributes features to a

certain identity they say well you're

treating it like a monolith

yeah that's called reddit uh thinking

okay

no one is saying every single person

who's working class when you a trip with

generalities do not

generalities do not

lost as you think you think i'm like

more lost okay generalities do not deny

exceptions

that's that's not generalities can still

be real even if there are there are

exceptions to it

okay

so and and but i'm saying the point of

bringing up that not everyone worships

the flag is because it was in context

related to

your patriotic socialism is going one

direction where i'm saying i see

communism in america

a communist movement going the other

direction where it doesn't lean into

that and i'm saying there is absolutely

potential within the working class

to not identify it doesn't really matter

what they identify with because you know

i agree i'm not i wouldn't have a

[ __ ] where do you identify that

potential

to be against the flag

and and patriotism

where are you seeing that potential of

the working class becoming

anti-patriotic

i don't really see that in this country

on a mass scale that's why i don't

that's why i don't think a communist

movement is really going to be

successful

outside of

what

just actually occurs within materiality

i think america i don't want to be sound

like a doomer but like i pretty much

think america is uh

not really like um

conscious at all like there's no actual

like conscious or collective

consciousness

so i think you're operating with like uh

i don't need consciousness i don't need

consciousness i'm already conscious who

do i care about others

i don't need people to already be

conscious when the whole point

is to struggle within the consciousness

that exists i don't need people to

already be communist that's what you're

saying

in effect what you're saying is that

people are not ideologically disposed

enough to my uh consciousness well i

mean you're going to be

completely immaterial identifying as a

patriotic socialist and so are the

liberals in trump's movement so i mean

i'm saying it's like you're not really

just you're not really distinguishing

yourself as something unique really

because i'm i'm pretty sure the last

time i checked i call myself a capital c

communist so i'm pretty sure i am

distinguishing

i don't really under i never really

understood like i've watched your stream

of [ __ ] on i've never really understood

what you mean by capital c communist

i never really it literally is what it

sounds like a capital c unapologetic

communist it means we're not communist

with nuance we're not communists who are

explaining oh but um we are we were

distancing ourselves from the ussr and

real communism we are capital c

communists and we are in good faith

embracing all of the intuitive

connotations people have of that we just

think that at the conscious level they

are misinterpreting the meaning of that

but like does this have something to do

with like you know like

like on another one of your streams you

spoke favorably of the u.s constitution

like why why why do you do that

because it's a nice simple clean

constitution

you know i mean that to me that's just

you're leaning into liberalism because

you're you're pulling people from

a a liberal movement and they're gonna

stay liberal

what what do you mean liberal first of

all what are you talking about liberal

liberals don't give a [ __ ] about the

constitution

yes they yes they do they don't liberals

literally keep talking about how oh we

want to rewrite the change our

constitution liberals don't give a [ __ ]

about the constitution i don't want to

do anything with the constitution shit's

going gonna crash and burn on its own

you know like that's that's

that should be the communist outlook

like not not oh the constitution

is a document and the uh american

revolution was a rebellion against the

british crown i mean the american

revolution was a

was a

revolution of

an american bourgeois against the

british

bourgeois so i mean

it's like it wasn't just the bourgeois

it was the iron

it was the bourgeoisie alongside the

yule men and the small farmers and the

people against the british as a whole it

wasn't just this bourgeoisie

wasn't it led and financed and run yeah

yeah but it also was in the material

interest of all the other classes too

but see it's like you're to me it seems

like you're crafting there was nothing

essentially bourgeois about it

really i mean don't think the fact that

it

no

it's it wasn't bourgeois in the sense of

coming at the expense of the interests

of the eu men and the workers i mean

it was bourgeois only in a historical

sense it wasn't boudoir in this sense i

mean i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it i

know you're gonna react [ __ ] horribly

but it did come come at the expense of

the native people who were here so i

mean

i just don't think that's what's your

point what my point is that

the brutality that is involved in that

historical

yeah reality

is part of the current historical

reality and it's part of the

constitutional material materially

because it is it is literally materially

materially connected go ahead

how is it that when

construction because the physical

construction of the object known as the

constitution of the united states of

america was only possible

to be created the way it in which it was

created which is which required every

single atrocity that was committed

before it even okay first of all why did

it essentially require that identify

to me the only reason you would speak

and i don't think i'm not sure you

actually think that like i don't know if

you consciously think that the

constitution is some

good clean document or if it's just you

falling into what i was talking about

earlier which is you're a communist who

has a

you are all over the [ __ ] place can

we focus on one thing at a time all

right how is it

first of all even if it was true that

from for from deterministic historical

reason

uh all the stars had to align for the

constitution to be produced in the way

it was

what essentially about our constitution

entails the uh genocide of indigenous

people go ahead

when you say ascent do you mean like the

abstract ideas in this country just the

word it's just please use common sense

ascent what necessarily about our

constitution

must entail the genocide or repression

of indigenous people

i mean the the the way in which the

constitution was set up is reflected

yeah that's not that's that's that's the

whole point even if that's true

even if i grant you that that's the way

it was set up yeah why does that entail

that it is necessarily

it necessarily entails that now

okay so you need to understand you don't

understand logic none of the issues you

don't understand

i'll explain logic to you

the conditions of the necessity of a

thing in the historical sense say

nothing about what that thing

necessitates in a contemporary sense

so i mean could you apply this logic to

the confederate flag like could you say

that the confederate flag for some

people in the south doesn't mean the

historical oppression what does the

confederate flag mean

i mean are you asking me or yeah what

does it mean what is it what is the

confederate flag what is it the flag of

if well i mean are we gonna talk on like

a general basis what is it the flag of

the confederacy okay and there you go

it's literally that simple

but it's not that simple yes it is no

it's not it's the flag of the

confederate states of america the

constitution

is a working document that is part of

our state

that guarantees us certain liberties and

rights

it's not just a [ __ ] uh flat it's not

a symbol you think it actually

guarantees certainly it is it actually

legitimately yes it does legitimately

legitimately yes it [ __ ] does

dude

i literally went to law school only for

one year and already there i can promise

you

because the constitution operationally

literally does secure us rights

and they do try to find loopholes and

circumvent in the best way they can but

there are some things in our

constitution that are so clearly and

unambiguously written that the

government corporations and businesses

literally cannot get away with certain

[ __ ] because of what our constitution

guarantees they do what they do

but they really

yeah okay why can't they throw me in

jail right now okay throw me in jail

right now for this twitch stream why

wouldn't they want to wouldn't they want

to no they can't why would they want to

do that why would they no they would

love to just let you sit here and if

they don't think they literally cannot

do whatever they want i have not studied

the history of supreme court cases in

this country and court cases in this

country they can't just do whatever the

[ __ ] they want our constitution does

protect us like

at the end of the day the working class

gets [ __ ] and you know i'm in la

there's homeless people all over yeah

you know a big issue i'm hearing i keep

hearing this thing i'm in l.a you where

you live does not represent this country

at all no

you don't i mean i think it i think it

does yeah okay well then okay i'm i'm

from michigan i've lived in la for 45

days and your city is literally as far

removed from regular america

as [ __ ] timbuktu

in no way does la represent it

represents a part of america but it

doesn't represent america like you don't

have

the part well what i'm saying is that it

represents a part of america that it

represents our [ __ ] media hollywood

that's what [ __ ] exists

which exists all throughout america yeah

but it's only

the difference is the difference is what

la represents is a tiny part of my

michigan okay it's a tiny part of my

michigan tiny tiny part most of my

michigan has not you don't find it in

l.a you don't find my people in la you

don't find your character in la you

don't find the way of life here in la

you don't find

you don't find

the industries here that you find in la

you don't find that in l.a okay no but

la is the consum is the you know it's

like the uh

the actual location at which american

consumerism is just fully unleashed and

people are fully no it's not that's not

what makes la significant at all and i

mean that the significance really is

hollywood

the significance is aesthetics that's

what la is movies and all that [ __ ] but

yeah it's aesthetics in general that's

la's

significance [ __ ] what what were you

talking about

what i'm trying to tell you okay

is that oh yeah the constitution yeah

yeah so so i don't i don't see uh

what i'm saying when i to me when you

say all these things about it it gives

us rights and i don't really care about

the pro like

you know what miranda rights are do you

know what miranda rights are i couldn't

read you like the miranda rights but i

know i know yeah do you know what they

are they know like the what freedom it

gives you

i

means you don't have to talk to cops

when you get arrested right yeah you

don't have to talk to them when you get

arrested

right that directly comes from our

constitution direct beat the [ __ ] out of

you if they want

so and that's what then you can sue them

you can sue them

yeah and then lose

like you think because some people sue

and win that that's generally what

happened even in a court overwhelmingly

biased against you

violating the miranda rights directly

through beating you up is such like a

one-sided one-sidedly illegal thing

they wouldn't be able to get away with

it

but see this this is my this is my whole

issue with patriotic socialism because

you were i agree with a lot of what

you're saying you know i i definitely

see what you're saying all this stuff

but like now we're idealizing the us

constitution we are talking about how it

grants us rights

we're talking about the american

revolution yeah no no

granted someone in my chat said

that's true it is a business but i'm

just saying

so i'm saying the material reality of

what you're saying is not the ability to

sue in the first place and win is

something our constitution gives us

that's a low bar man

okay well what what what do you have

against why are you trying to get rid of

the few liberties that we do have i'm

not trying to get i'm not trying to so

what's your problem with the [ __ ]

constitution

what is the issue with the constitution

what's the problem with it i don't even

know how to answer what is the problem

with the us constitution i can't i'm not

like i don't know is there a problem

with with us having miranda rights and

free speech and is there a problem with

all that what's the problem no i think

it's like these things are not removed

from the law from larger society itself

can you please be

specific in what you talk about

yeah how like in what i just said just

just say things that are real and don't

just throw

meaningless like just say something real

can you say something that refers to

reality

specifically like that has content

what i'm saying is uh

you all the liberties that you're saying

that we have we don't we don't have

that's pretty much my point like you're

saying do you want to get rid of them so

how how will how will getting rid of our

constitution is true liberty you don't

get rid of but the thing is you don't

get rid of it so why are you saying

so but you're talking about the

constitution right now right

you

yeah because you want to lead a

communist movement but you also want to

idealize about the u.s constitution and

why because i said it's a simple and

clean document

that does guarantee a certain

i guess it wasn't he guess what yeah

yeah the constitution guarantees that

rights it does not do that it does not

do that it is a piece of paper it is

literally a piece of paper that's it

that is the most soy rick and morty

reddit [ __ ] i've ever heard in my

[ __ ] life

that the constitution's a piece of paper

it is materially it

a throne is just a chair that's all it

is just a chair

it doesn't represent anything else i

don't have no other meaning it's just a

chair or i'm not trying to diminish its

historical significance

the constitution provides communists a

mandate

upon which a war against the deep state

in the ruling class is possible our deep

state is entering into contradiction

with our constitution they don't like

how the constitution gets in their way

the constitution provides us a mandate

the spirit of the document

the spirit of that document is itself a

mandate with which communists can wage a

war against our ruling class

the spirit of that document is communist

is a mandate that will allow communists

to wage war against the ruling class in

this country

i don't think this would the the concept

well then you're [ __ ] wrong right

even ron paul knew this ron paul knew

that the [ __ ] they were doing was

against our constitution and he was

right

what what do you mean the [ __ ] they were

doing like the invasion of the wars and

the [ __ ] fed and the printing of the

all that [ __ ] nowhere in our

constitution

is that allowed nowhere in our

constitution is the is the deep state

allowed

exactly look at you you're up you're

literally arguing the opposite point you

are now it's nowhere nowhere is it

allowed in the constitution yet it still

happens

that's my argument so the whole point is

to uphold the constitution against them

holy [ __ ]

yes so you exactly you want to co-opt a

symbol that's

that's already proven to be totally

[ __ ]

fake and just and a pr tool for barack

obama and george bush and trump and

hillary to just wave around the u.s

constitution the u.s constitution it's

like that's what you're talking about as

giving us rights in a country that

literally [ __ ] murders people around

the world okay i'm gonna translate what

you said i'm gonna i'm gonna translate

what you said into meat and potatoes so

when i talk to intellectuals like you

you raise some contrived convoluted

[ __ ] point about how well the

constitution has already proven its um

farceness by being uh existing alongside

the very things that contradict yourself

but when i talk to an ordinary working

class [ __ ] guy and i'm just like yo

let's stand by our constitution and

fight the deep state and fight the

ruling class and fight bill gates like

hell yeah brother i'm on board with it

it's like this [ __ ] works when you talk

to ordinary people but when i talk to

you you raise all of these needless

pointless intellectual convolutions that

have nothing to do with the [ __ ]

point at hand

i mean

i just what is the point you're saying

well the constitution has already proven

that it's [ __ ] because why because

it it wasn't able to prevent the deep

state all that proves is that the

constitution all on its own isn't enough

that's the significance of the communist

party the communist party needs to be

the one to defend and uphold the

constitution against them and what's the

[ __ ] problem i mean what you're

saying is so stupid it's like saying oh

oh oh

that's like saying china is evil and

here's why china is evil because cha why

why why mao are you trying to unite

china china itself is what made possible

the breaking up of china and the century

of humiliation so how could you how

could you stand by uh chinese uh

patriotism and uphold china when that

very thing is what allowed china to uh

it's like such a stupid [ __ ] point i

mean you're totally wrong there because

china is not america and china does not

run on imperialism like

no okay you know what it is no no i am

going to lock you down logically i did

go to law school for a year and what

you're saying is so infuriatingly

[ __ ] out of the ballpark logically

speaking you just made a logical

comparison you just said

you made a logical point how can you set

the constitution against the deep state

when the constitution itself

despite not allowing the deep state

exists alongside the deep state proving

it's its efficiency logically speaking

you can say the exact same [ __ ] thing

about china in regards to its century of

humiliation why would you uphold china

and try talking about saving china when

china itself despite its essence being

against uh

imperialism and the spirit of chinese

civilization contradicting british

imperialism how could that itself allow

for how could you how could mao talk

positively about china when china itself

is what led to the qing dynasty and the

century of humiliation it's literally

one for one the exact logical form and

when i present to you this [ __ ]

fallacy of thinking you come to me to

say well china is different because it's

not imp it's not imperialist what does

that have to do with what you said about

the constitution nothing

i mean

in general if you're talking about like

civilization to civilization and you're

trying to say since china

you know has a troubled history i'm not

talking about civilization to

civilization i'm using an example to

demonstrate how your point about how

just because a thing exists alongside a

thing that contradicts it doesn't mean

that thing is already condemned or

ruined or proven it's uh inadequacy or

it's like

why are you talking about civilization

why

where in the constitution does it say

there's no deep okay so now you're

backtracking and saying and and because

that argument failed you have a new

argument which is that i think that hope

i think that and that is part of your

like

because the constitution sets very clear

parameters of what our government is

supposed to be

and a deep state this is acting as a

shadow government that is nowhere

sanctioned within the constitution

the parameters of our government are

within the constitution the deep state

is not within the constitution it's

literally that simple

but that

since the deep state isn't mentioned in

the constitution or discussed then it

has no legitimacy

so what makes the constitution so

legitimate

it is the founding document of the

american state

but i mean in terms of like uh

being a cornerstone of a communist

movement because it sounds like that's

like what because if patriotic socialism

was initially more like earlier in the

call

i would i i see what you're saying now i

just don't i i

i don't see

the uh

the reasoning or the or the

to me it's like a failure in like uh

in recognizing that the constitution is

inseparable from the society that

existed back then which then led to

today and i know this is kind of what

you've been saying thank you sub-based

[Music]

thank you

what you are trying to say is that

there's no contradictions everything is

the way it is because it had to be

and it's an essential feature of the

thing

the only thing is this is this is where

this is where your lack of education and

philosophy comes in okay

what you're saying is technically true

all that is real is rational is but

hegel put it right

yeah but how do you know what's real or

not how do you know for example that the

way the world is now

is essentially real rather than for

example undergoing a process of

conflict contradiction antagonism and

destruction how do you how you're saying

okay well you're trying to you're trying

to set in a populist way the

constitution against the deep state well

the constitution itself is what led to

the deep state so how can you separate

the two okay

how do you know the deep state is our

final form though why can't i say the

communist movement is our final form why

is it the deep state is our final form

how in what way and how could the deep

state be your final form what do you

mean by that like your final you're

saying the deep state is the ultimate

culmination of the constitution

i don't know about the ultimate

culmination okay well then you're not

saying anything then because i'm saying

i'm saying the communist party is the

ultimate culmination you're saying the

deep state's the ultimate culmination is

the culmination of the

of the

aspiration of western individual rights

the the fetishization of western

individual rights is what leads to the

deep state being able to is is that a

scientific statement what you just said

no i wouldn't say

why would you say that

did i commit a sin or something what's

wrong you committed something worse than

a sin because sins are often

some of the biggest sins are made with

intelligence what you just said was just

thoughtless

how is it thoughtless

you said the the deep state is the

culmination of the western idea of

individuals

yes it's like the deep state is like a

uh is to me it's like uh

the deep state is when you are anarchy

when you have leftists that are

anarchist essentially what enables the

deep state yeah like the deep state is

not inseparable from the individualism

that is observable within american

society it's like the fact that we live

in such how is american individualism

essentially

reflect it's they're both reflective of

the same thing

like even if that was true what about

the essence responsible for the deep

state but the reality that created the

deep state functions and is

premised on individual western

individuals

which is tied into the country

which is part of

okay everything is interrelated the sun

and the moon and the stars and my own

shining ass what is your point in

america

what is the essence what is the essence

what is the essence

what's your point

socialism would be

i just by pointing out things are

related or share an origin or share a

reality does not tell us whether they

are essentially related or whether they

essentially share a reality

i because the ideals you are exposing

tells

you know is what would show me the

direction in which

your movement is headed like if you want

to grow for instance like you you wonder

complaining on the streets like what you

know my viewer count is 400 maybe you'd

get more viewers if you just

uh

you know like maybe that's the reason

why is because it's not really

attainable by

by pushing that sort of

like

so why why okay

so why was i at 600 and rising in the

fall

i mean la had a big part of it but i

think i mean oh was it la or was it

because of this grand general problem of

my whole ideology

um

what is stupid i hate this stupid soy

[ __ ] so [ __ ] much i'm about to say so

many slurs i gotta stop myself i can't

[ __ ] believe what you're [ __ ]

saying you're sitting here and telling

me this is like when people say when the

ussr is about to collapse oh this is

because the whole ideology of marxism is

flawed really you decided it's flawed at

this specific moment when there are

these specific particular reasons for

why it's happening shut the literal [ __ ]

up you literally represent laziness

idleness giving up you represent the

most [ __ ] [ __ ] mentality i can

[ __ ] think of where when one thing

goes wrong when one thing goes wrong

instead of focusing on this music i'm

just gonna give up as a whole this whole

thing is [ __ ] fruitless i've gone as

far as i [ __ ] have i went from 600

average to yeah four or 500 average now

as of the past two weeks and now you're

saying well what if this incriminates

the entire

entire theoretical project you're doing

i'm not i don't you are a [ __ ]

parasite you're a crab in the [ __ ]

bucket the minute i go down by five

viewers you want to latch on and spread

this whole [ __ ] narrative about why

the whole thing is [ __ ] you haven't

been here to build anything up all you

do is give explanations for why [ __ ]

falls you never know the meat and

potatoes and the spark and the creative

fire that gives rise to something you

don't have the creative fire in your

[ __ ] stomach to build anything

creatively so you sit here and nibble on

every small [ __ ] failure someone does

and try to explain it oh the reason this

guy lost the fight this reason this guy

lost the fight was this great you know

[ __ ] about why someone hey shut the [ __ ]

up don't pretend and sit here like you

know why someone would lose a [ __ ]

fight when you've never even been in the

[ __ ] ring i'm not even saying you

lost the fight i i wasn't even like

don't [ __ ] sit here and try to

[ __ ] give these explanations for oh

has is down 100 or 200 viewers tonight

it's it can't be because he's streamed

late

it can't be because he streamed later

than usual it's although

it has to be something that can

literally not explain

when you asked me don't didn't i say la

isn't that what i said yeah which

contradicts you distinguish that oh

maybe you know you were talking about

how you have four why are you talking

about my views nobody even mentioned my

[ __ ] views we were talking about

reviews maybe that says this whole thing

you're doing is not viable yes i said

give up and be like you you're right in

that i'm wrong about that you're writing

that i was wrong about that i don't know

why you get so [ __ ]

because it's because so many people do

it and it's [ __ ] infuriating because

because all these people think that oh

really all these people think

it's like why you're like on it i mean i

know this [ __ ] probably is on your mind

a lot which i yeah yeah yeah so the

minute the minute i go down 100 viewers

all these [ __ ] lazy losers who have

never built anything in their whole

[ __ ] life can try to create a

narrative and try to create a monopoly

of trying to explain why it's happening

as if they know anything about streaming

or know anything about what i'm [ __ ]

doing here in the first place

yeah i sympathize i understand i

understand that

i

i didn't really mean it in like a super

pejorative sense or like i wasn't i

really was not trying to make a bigger

point but

yeah i mean

i was just what i was really saying is

that

uh i just don't see the

the react i just don't see the reality

you do really

but that's also i'm not coming at this

from the perspective like you think i'm

coming from that from the box that

you've constructed of that

you know you think i'm like a parasite

and i want i think you you know i'm

criticizing your effort to build i'm not

doing any of that what i'm saying is i i

just don't i just don't see the vision

you see and that's what i'm debating

about but i'm not trying to include so

debate about it

yeah i mean

yeah sure i mean yeah

i did not mean to uh okay just get to

the debate part

yeah

um

you were talking about the uh

constitution and [ __ ]

yeah

yeah so

why but why why don't you instead of

harnessing patriotic socialism outside

of the constitution thank you uh

thank you sub base appreciate you

go ahead

is it only something to relate to the to

the americans that

that are like is that the angle that you

come at it with it's like that's where

the popular bit that's where the popular

consciousness exists is within the

american sphere so that you know using

the american flag is what's going to

lead people wait can you can you repeat

your question

what i'm saying is

are you appealing

the patriotic socialist movement is it

appealing

with the like are the reasons you're

using the constitution actually because

you think it's a good document or do you

think it's good to use that

idea as a as a way to relate to common

working people do you actually

love your mother or is it just because

she's your mother

i love my mother for everything she's

done for

which is because she's my mother so i

love my so it's the same exact thing

it's literally the same exact thing

you are making it seem like oh i i've

i've found a contradiction

if you were to begin from a blank slate

you has would not probably have

uh

made the constitution as it exists you

probably would have made something else

but this notion of reality is wrong in

the first place reality is not something

we make from a blank slate

it's something we inherit from something

we don't individually create so

constitution means i have to humble

myself to realities i am not in control

of

what but

okay so then what prevents you from

leading like

if you're using all this american

iconography

do you think this doesn't turn into a

predom and i don't not trying to like

you know invoke like an accusation of

racism but it's like don't you think

that would primarily lead to just a

vastly majority white party in america

or do you think the it would be a

majority white insofar as our country is

majority white

but you don't think it would be like uh

it would adopt a white identity

no

why

when you say things like white identity

you're saying all of the black latino

mexican whatever people in this movement

they should have a problem why why bring

up race

i mean it's not it's not really

necessarily about quote-unquote bringing

it up it's just the fact that uh

you know

in our liberals our communist movement

would be significant look my channel is

already significantly less white

than the

dsa yeah of course yeah i believe that

so what is your point

probably there may even there may even

not be a white majority maybe it'll be

majority uh mexico and latino and maybe

they will be the vanguard maybe black

will be the vanguard who knows

it doesn't matter yeah i mean i believe

that's i believe i believe

that that's the vision i just don't know

it just has to be something that isn't

going to exclude anyone

and is gonna be able to win the majority

but do you do you not think that like

using the american flag is gonna exclude

some people

no because there's nothing inherently

white about the american flag

i mean i think i think i have a

different opinion on it

why is the american flag inherently

white

it's not that the american flag itself

is inherently white but that

the

basis

of people

the american people the the

history of the worship and admiration of

the american flag tied into

um

the establishment really

it really is the establishment when i

when you're at a sporting event or

whatever and they play the national

anthem

uh before the game

like to me i'm witnessing like a [ __ ]

satanic ritual you know like when i'm at

a game i'm not i'm not witnessing lower

the american i'm witnessing ordinary

people

engaging in a sporting event and

how can you how can you how can you i

don't think there's anything wrong with

that

how can you separate that event and that

admiration away from the

i'm not trying to because i'm not trying

to create a punk rock movement of

rejects and losers and exiles i'm trying

to help kick start a movement

for normal people people who do

go to the [ __ ] football game and

listen to the anthem with their family

and have normal lives i'm not here to

[ __ ] make a movement for freaks and

punk rock freaks but you'll go to the

you'll go to the event you'll you'll

worship you know you'll stand up and

honor the american flag and then you're

going to say that china is actually good

right

why not that's right because because i'm

saying those events as they exist today

our part

so you're saying there is something

about going to a sporting event and

listening to the flag the anthem

that is essentially anti-china

yes i mean yeah

how please explain

because materially the

jets that fly overhead are

part of

the us military's

apparatus physical apparatus and there

and it's being

worshipped you're talking about the jets

now not the anthem but i mean

they're they're all it's all tied

together it's not they're not separable

phenomena

why can't you separate these you can't

okay

well i'll tell you what the feelings and

intentions of the people at those events

is not to worship the military yeah but

that's just what exists in their head i

don't really care what exists in there

like that okay like what i'm trying to

tell you is that you can rally the

majority of people against the uh the

deep state and the people who control

our military

without

without um

and that can be perfectly compatible

with the same thing that attracts people

to want to enjoy sporting events and and

listen to the anthem before the the game

starts

but it's it's just like don't you want

communists to

actively recognize the american state

in its current form as an enemy of them

and people abroad

i mean like what do what do you mean by

the american state

um the deep state i would say

the american state

the deep state okay

i mean the deep state really is the

american people don't like the deep

state people like their country they

like

when they don't like the deep state like

and yet they they use iphones that were

made and they want a lot of people don't

want a deep state because they want a

different way no they don't want the

deep state at all they don't want really

because i think a lot of people wouldn't

give a [ __ ] if we wage

war as long as the deep state like

stopped doing [ __ ] publicly or you know

censoring people on twitter you know

which is not possible

what's not possible

what you just said it's not possible for

us to wage war and at the same time

maintain the democratic civil liberties

at home it's not possible

it's never been passed i mean lenin

talked about that lenin talked about how

imperialism

came at the expense of democracy

and came at the expense of the ability

to just maintain simple civil liberties

they talked about this in their

theorization of fascism fascism was the

culmination of imperialism for a reason

it's what justin trudeau is doing right

now against the truckers

with his emergency powers where's the

democracy in this

that is 100 percent

essentially tied to canadian canada's

involvement in uh american imperialism

is justin trudeau using those emergency

powers at home to curtail the civil

liberties of the canadian people yes

it's the same power that lets them wage

wars around the whole [ __ ] world

all right now i have a question

related kind of

the the trucker protest if these events

start happening in other countries do

you think it's communist job

it's it's like our job from america to

vocally uh support these

movements happening in other countries

being

you know

what do you mean we can just have

solidarity with them

just like we do with the canadians

are you saying should we intervene no

well i mean what if what if it what if

these events even if the original

trucker pro

protest was

organic and and

and true

how do you know that these events when

they spread into other countries aren't

co-opted by by

essentially deep state how do you know

the trucker protest right now isn't

compromised by deep state

how do you know i'm not compromised by

deep state money

i mean i guess periodically it's

impossible to know but

so what is the point of the question

i i mean

i guess uh there wasn't really a

specific point i was making

from your perspective

but um

yes do you have any other questions for

me

nope

all right i mean [ __ ] i think i uh

i think i got a better understanding of

what you're saying

but i just i just don't see

how like how how can you

you view yourself as like an individual

actor like outside of the

reality you live within you

when you

endorse like uh

right i mean

what do you mean

the virtuousness of the american flag

i mean when you when you're when you use

the american flag as as synonymous with

or compatible with communism aren't you

essentially kind of the american flag

i'm going to tell you what using the

american flag means okay

yeah so the american flag represents

something for the american people

so when we use that flag what we're

doing

is we are

recognizing them in a specific way we're

saying

we know what this means to you

and we understand that

and we recognize that

and

we also represent that

we represent you

do you i mean do you do you represent

like do you i mean i don't think you i

don't think the communist vision really

represents a majority of what americans

want

i think get the [ __ ] out of this country

then just leave

i don't i'm sick of people who want to

live here so badly and just say

what's the point of living here tell me

why you even live here then

why i don't you just enjoy this

defeatist position so much either stop

being a communist or leave i'm not

defeatist but

why do you love this idea that

everyone's bad and you're good

i don't i don't think i'm i don't think

i'm good necessarily i don't think i'm

good

i don't think i have the answers

but

i don't understand what the [ __ ]

point is why even be here

why even be in america

i mean i was born here i was born here

so

do you think that if someone who lives

in china or russia or any other country

in the world

can have the same attitude as you

and just say oh i'm i i you know

i just personally think everyone here

is um

a lost cause and i just want to sit

around and be a bum and complain and

then be pessimistic and i'm just going

to sit around and be a bum and that's it

you think they tolerate that any other

country in the world

you know our [ __ ] problem here in

america we have too many bums in this

[ __ ] country that's our problem we

tolerate this bum mentality far too much

in this country that's the problem

mentality here it's just indicative of

liberalism

no it's indicative of the fact

that people think this country's somehow

exceptional where you can just be a bum

and and uh you know you don't have to

actually fight for your country and your

people

and you can just you can just be in this

position where you can be like hassan

with a three million dollar mansion and

a porsche and just bitching complaining

about the hogs and all this kind of [ __ ]

yeah and anti-work subreddit that's the

real problem with this [ __ ] country

honestly is that too many people are

comfortable being asleep

and you know not showering and all this

[ __ ] [ __ ] and that's really what

the problem with this country is

and

i think it's high time that communism

you're like don't tolerate this now

you're putting blames on the individuals

because you're looking at it from no i'm

putting the blame on how communists

tolerate this defeatist bum mentality on

their own ranks when we should be the

last people to enable this [ __ ]

attitude and

and [ __ ]

you know what we should be saying to

people who say

the collapse is coming so you you want

to be opportunistic okay look if you

don't if you don't believe in the if you

don't believe look if you do not believe

in the american people you should not

have a public presence you just

privately believe in whatever the [ __ ]

you want don't come in public and start

saying [ __ ] because you're either just

gonna you're just gonna be objectively

siding with the status quo and nothing

more now i'm not saying you have to be a

communist and you have to believe in the

american people i'm just saying if

you're gonna have a public presence and

call yourself a communist in this

country you better be [ __ ] about that

otherwise just

you know privately anticipate whatever

you anticipate

i believe in the people but i don't

believe in the people winning through

electoral politics and any

any the only way in which i could see

a communist party engaging in electoral

politics if they are

so strictly

principled and that they do not

drop

to either party and and essentially

operate

within their own corner

but

i don't know is like patriotic so like

what is the does patriotic socialism

entail like smashing the democrat and

republican party and then you know

having one you know one it entails a

third party

it's a it's a third and does it coexist

like do you guys see yourself

co-existing with republican and

democrats or is that just like not

really knowable what do you mean

coexisting

well i mean if you're gonna like be

successful as a patriotic socialist with

some with like an electoral platform

then

like where are the republican democrats

they are political

opponents

your rival parties

they're going to crush the [ __ ] out of

us

like

then literally just sit on your couch

and eat hot it's because

eat your potato chips on your couch just

sit on your couch eat potato chips and

get high what do you want me to say

i

i don't i mean

i think you should be more i think you

should

draw a larger distinction

between you and the

establishment than using

the same

or adopting an aesthetic that

this

i'll create a populism

that's based on punk rock music and no

gods and no masters

no that's that sounds that sounds

dumb

why does it have to be that

so what should it be what's your

anti-establishment american flag

marxist leninist communist

oh like so we should weigh just red

flags

you don't have to be like i mean

you can wave a communist flag

okay

and how is that different from larp

what is it okay what does that flag mean

to people what does that mean to to

people what does it actually mean

that flag hasn't has

is because what the american flag means

what the american flag would mean in a

populist context

okay would an american flag historical

meaning

what an american flag means in a

populist context is we represent the

real people and the establishment

doesn't right so that's what that means

and they already know what the american

flag is

i feel like the american flag

for a lot of people just represents like

the military

like just straight it's just straight up

the military

i think that's like

majority of americans when they think of

america and the american flag they just

invokes imagery of them

is that not you don't think that's true

and why shouldn't we want to

win people from the military

how do you how do

you don't you think you're taking the

approach where you're like gonna adopt

these people in and then you're gonna

change their minds we want military we

want we have supporters in the military

we want supporters in the military

we want to support a lot of supporters

in the military that's what we want we

want soldiers to be honest

it was in the military they would just

quit they would have to quit them how

could they hold your views oh why so

they can just sit on their [ __ ] ass

like a bum and benefit from imperialism

like you

you think a soldier is more guilty than

you are

um why because the soldier's not a

hypocrite they're actually

so so you're so tired you're better than

a soldier why would you want to quit

i mean i don't know what you mean by a

soldier is not a hypocrite why should

they have to quit the military

why should they have to quit

why so so i mean it's gonna be hard to

hold positions like i hope the ameri

that i i want you know the chinese state

to defeat the american empire and then

also serve in the american military and

get deployed to taiwan

okay like how do you think that

it's

you

do you know who

brought the bolsheviks to power

no

the military the soldiers

that's what lenin said

do you know what war lenin opposed

but the war the war

with germany

he opposed it

okay

who made the stopping of that war

possible

none of these were the american military

i mean

you're right it wasn't the american

military because i'm talking about

russia right now

it was the russian soldiers

yeah okay made it possible to stop

fighting

so if you have a problem with war

against china

you're gonna want

soldiers to be your allies because

they're the only ones who can stop that

[ __ ] war if it came to that point

i do not i don't think soldiers would be

capable in america of stopping a war

themselves so who would they're put

under like

rigorously what could stop a war what

could stop a [ __ ] war

like how could communists in america

stop a war how could anyone or any force

stop a war unless soldiers no longer

become willing to fight

china could beat the [ __ ] out of the

american military i guess is the only

way

okay

so does it hurt for china to have allies

in the military

i mean i would assume the united states

of america would [ __ ] kill those

people if they found out but

i mean it would help china

like you're saying it would help if they

have like

supporters in the military that support

their country

or do you mean like spies

can you please tell me what you are

saying

i don't know i don't remember honestly

too many points

we were we talked about like five things

in the last three minutes

are you high

no not right now i'm just tired

but i mean

i mean

my larger point still stands that

you're like engaging in the mark the

free marketplace of ideas

like like you're gonna have soldiers in

the u.s military that idealistically

agree with you but they're gonna be in

the united states military and you're

gonna they've already been through like

rigorous indoctrination programs so i

don't know how you're gonna have huge

numbers but you're relating this to past

historical events in china i mean in

russia and the ussr at the time but

i don't

i don't see how are you suggesting that

american soldiers would actually help

stop a war or deployment to taiwan

how does that actually how do american

individual soldiers with their

ideological convictions stop a huge

real apparatus

by not

fighting so i mean you got to have a

[ __ ] you got to have win a majority of

the military well that's what you try to

do

i just don't think that's possible in

the united states

it's still good to have supporters in

the [ __ ] military

it's like how do you get those

supporters though like

same what do you mean the same way you

get any other supporters

you think it's impossible to convince

soldiers to be against imperialism

i think it is impossible where did most

of the donations for ron paul come from

ron paul's

not a community he he says

anti-imperialist thing yeah that's all

that matters here so where does where

was a huge portion of ron paul's support

coming from

i'm assuming it's the military right

okay back in 2016 where was the most

amount of donations coming from for

bernie sanders

who was also against the wars at that

time

was it the military it was

so the military seems to be

the thank you atari the military is

inherently disposed to populism it

always has been

because they see on the ground

the difference between

what

they're ordered to do and what actually

happens they see on the ground the lies

and the hypocrisy and they don't buy

into the [ __ ] of the establishment

because they're the ones on the ground

dealing with reality once they see the

horse so you're talking about soldiers

who have seen the [ __ ] horror of what

no no even if they've never seen a day

of combat people in the military can see

the operational difference between what

the establishment tells the public and

how [ __ ] actually works

which makes them cynical toward the

establishment and more disposed to

populism

i don't bernie do you think bernie was

really an anti-imperialist force in 2016

he was signaling against war yeah he was

but he didn't mention the seat like the

cia he doesn't talk about disbanding the

cia or any

no real threats just ended up being

totally

noctose

so it's like

and that's a long shot it's a lot he

doesn't he doesn't talk about he does he

does

he doesn't talk he doesn't talk about

giving me head either

okay

and

i'm not sure

that's the point i'm really not sure i'm

really not sure what you're trying to

get at

like

you're not sure i'm what i'm trying to

get at him no i'm not because the whole

point was that the military

can support so you're saying what if he

was against the cia then he wouldn't

have gotten the support he did from the

military well ron paul was against the

cia and you know a bunch of people from

the military still supported ron paul so

what is your point

ron paul was also is also

pro-establishment in many ways no he's

not he fought he's against the fed he's

against the banks the corporations and

the awards

he's a liberal who believes in running

as a republican that's a republican

ticket and he believes in getting enough

republicans into the senate and into the

and into the house of representatives

where we're going to vote in against

anti-imperialism right ron paul is just

a liberal i don't

like because it's like he can say those

things idealistically

america is bad we should end the fed

uh the military industrial complex is

evil but

then you also believe so you are

listening all your materials are

it by those entities all you are doing

is critiquing ron paul

from a strategic perspective

you are saying nothing else you're

saying his strategy doesn't work

reflects the fact that at the end of the

day he's still

liberal and

no everyone

if ron paul is a liberal to you

everyone's a liberal

ron paul is absolutely liberal yeah

believes in the american system believes

in the american but if you ask most

americans they're not going to say he's

a liberal

no because americans don't understand

what liberalism really is you're smarter

than everyone words have no meaning only

you give them meaning harder it's that

material reality happened to lead me to

to this conclusion not under my own will

i i arrived at my marxist line

not because i'm smarter than anyone so i

figured it out or i have a big brain it

literally happened involuntarily i

became a marxist leninist involuntarily

it was not my

so i'm i don't think that can we get to

the point

the point is that like the the fact that

you don't recognize ron paul as a

liberal and i'm saying he is a liberal

because the way in which he engages with

with the reality okay but of course but

to most people most people to most

people to most people including those

soldiers he was different from liberals

say that again

to the soldiers who are relevant in

question he was different to liberals he

represented anti-war anti-establishment

anti-cia views that's what he

represented to them if his strategy

doesn't ultimately realize that

that is immaterial to the [ __ ] point

at hand

why is it immaterial it's strategy

because it doesn't say anything about

what he represents to the soldiers and

why they supported him they didn't

support him because he had a failed

strategy they supported him because they

liked the [ __ ] he was saying

but so

what's what's your point there though

like

my point is that back to the original

[ __ ] point

in no way does the indoctrination or

whatever the [ __ ] you're talking about

of soldiers in the military make them

non-disposed

to populistic and anti-war views

okay yeah i think i would agree with

that

well that's what we were arguing about

on a mass scale in a way that would

actually affect any 60 of veterans are

against war with russia

that sounds like a mass scale to me

what's the i wonder what the numbers are

for like people currently

you're not going to get accurate numbers

because those are institutionalized not

going to tell you what they really think

it is true that like i do know

i have met veterans that that are

fervently anti-war but

what i see is like all this anti-war

fervor still regardless of whether those

soldiers are you know when you know they

see ron paul as a liberal like or if

they just like the ideas that

how does that

lead to change like how does that lead

to change electorally like because you

say political will what you are the one

who said that most americans think of

the military when they think of the flag

i think the essence behind it yeah okay

well that's why we went down this

dialogue tree of soldiers

soldiers could definitely be

open to being communist but i would

still say in the

a majority of soldiers are not going to

be in the image of a communist like

they're going to be reflecting the

reality that

you know veterans maybe because

especially veterans who saw combat i

would

you know definitely but

i don't i don't disagree with the

strategy of appealing to

forces you know

soldiers that are in the military but

it's like are you trying you're trying

to build like a mass movement of

americans that is

premised on all the idealization of all

the same symbols same cultural icons

same attitude towards

the founding of the country and then

it's just going to be communist or

socialist

like it's like

each each in each thing like

indicates

like that it doesn't really feel anti

like to me the american flag is just

bro with that i mean i know it's my own

perspective and i see how someone could

see it as anti-establishment

i'm gonna explain to you the problem

you're having right now is that you're a

guy

who just reacts to things after they

happen and doesn't understand how things

actually work

so listen after let's say there is a

communist movement and it's a patriotic

movement whatever

you're going to sit here in vc with

someone for like four hours you're like

well i get how that is and i i don't

understand how this and you're like

you're gonna take for granted

that movement having already come to be

without knowing anything about how it

happened because all you like to do is

talk about things

that are within your reach

because you ultimately have the ideology

of a couch potato you just want the

remote and the potato chips and the

controller to all but be in your reach

while you sit on the couch and that is

your entire ideology it's literally the

eye it's literally the ideology of a

couch potato that's your whole [ __ ]

stick here

i said i think it's ridiculous like

frame it like that because it's like you

you're you're like so bought into

that this supposed that opposing

viewpoints is like just being a potato

just like feels ridiculous doesn't it

no it feels very accurate

it feels very very accurate actually i

really feel this is on the nail

i don't understand what you are even

trying to say even after this whole time

i don't even know

what you're actually trying to say i

don't know what the point is though i

don't know what the actual point is i

don't it's well i think the overall

point is that like your

tendency to readily accept like these

standpoints of

the

constitution

you know gives us rights and protects us

and

the you know the revolution was a

rebellion against the crown it's like to

me it seems like you're reframing

history through like a lens in which you

wish was coming

or like not wish was communist or that a

lens in which you can then

try to grow your movement by

creating this ideology in which the

essence of america was actually

communists at its founding or

yeah that's what communists say about

all human history which is why marx said

communism is the riddle of history

solved

but is the like

i mean uh

brought it up once before but like how

is the

means by which the 13 colonies set up

how is that

not part of simply western individuals

that existed

in its original home

communism came from the west how is it

not part of western individualism

i mean yeah the theory came from the

west but

why does that what why would that make

it western

why would the same thing but for yours

why does the constitution reflect

western individualism

in a way that makes communism impossible

yes

i think the way in which class relations

have been established in this country

is a product of

the nature in which

the country was established and you're

you're reflecting back

back upon the history of which the

country established and reinterpreting

it as being part of

human fundamental nature which is

socialism i agree that like collective

essence

of humanity is fundamentally socialist

default

is social

but

how can you say that that since the

default of humanity how is the american

revolution default

how does that represent the default or

closer to

what you're saying interesting that the

american revolution and the

establishment are you on shrooms lsd

um

no

what are you actually asking me right

now what are you actually asking me

i'm asking you

[ __ ] i don't even remember what i was

saying i i was asking you if uh

like how can you reframe

the american revolution as

as somewhat of a socialist phenomenon or

the establishment of america as a

socialist phenomenon oh my god it's just

like a pointless confusion that if you

used your common sense would not be a

problem why is this a problem

for what is it a problem

communist

okay let me i have to explain to you

like the philosophy of dialectical time

is that what you want do i have to

explain to you the philosophy of

dialectical time about how the essence

of what something is actually arrives

from the future and isn't buried in the

past and the archaeo modernism of how

for example the future actually realizes

the essence of things in the past these

are all convoluted philosophical

[ __ ] things

that aren't needed for people to [ __ ]

understand or make sense of it when the

soviets

talked about ivan the terrible or

alexander nevsky or the historical

heroes of russian civilization that were

not explicitly communist i mean regular

people understood it and it wasn't a

problem you seem to think that normal

people give a [ __ ] about philosophy and

they don't they care about what makes

sense

now you should really be asking me is

how could it make sense that you could

reinterpret american history through a

communist lens well it makes perfect

sense it's been done before there's no

reason it wouldn't [ __ ] make sense

you don't need to talk about philosophy

to answer that [ __ ] question

i mean

colonial expansion isn't really because

america is an undefined thing it's not

set in stone or defined okay and if

communists are the best equipped

to represent the american people and

make sense of their historical

experiences and their tradition through

scientific socialism that's something

they would prove in reality that they

would succeed the history and destiny of

america thereby revealing the essence of

what america always was the whole time i

mean you're making it seem like the

founding of america is something

finished and it's not it's one chapter

in a larger history that is never fully

finished in some kind of idea the whole

the real question is why would

communists be the best

to succeed

and seize hegemony over this and i will

tell you the answer lies in scientific

socialism

being

a more correct literally correct way of

relating to the world and reality

like you put out like a list of policy

quote-unquote policy changes

is that um is that the basis of which

like the patriotic socialist movement is

like is the patriotic socialist movement

like uh these are our policy changes

what

that's no it's not it's literally as

it's lit it's literally as simple it's

literally as [ __ ] simple as saying

i'm a socialist

and my ground zero my ground from which

i begin is not a blank slate or an ideal

to conform reality to but the actual

reality i live in which is a country

specifically the american country and

that i want to serve what's in the best

interests of the american people and

that is how i want my socialism to be

framed

and i don't want social to be framed in

terms of an alien foreign ideology that

comes at the expense of people's real

lives it's like that [ __ ] simple

and i don't know why it's being

complicated so much

you mean you don't know why like people

on twitter and [ __ ] like take you or

people onto i don't know where the

problem is coming from i don't know what

the problem is here

i don't [ __ ] about it i don't

i just don't

necessarily like uh fully believe in

specific future but i you know i don't

think it's like uh

i don't think it's like a

evil phenomenon or something all right

well you can have your reddit socialism

and good luck

i do not have reddit

yes you do

no i do

you have you want to have a reddit

debate socialism where you just type on

reddit you're the type that wants to

type

like 10 000 paragraphs on reddit and

that's just what you want to do you just

want to type paragraphs on reddit

absolutely don't do that i don't do that

though so you can say that but it's like

you just want to pontificate and type

reddit's right type paragraphs on reddit

but it's like i don't do that so when

you tell me that it's like i'm like what

the [ __ ] where the [ __ ] is he getting

this from you know so where do you type

your paragraphs i don't type paragraph

i don't

type or argue like in paragraphs with

people

like you i think you have this concocted

idea of your haters and that's you're

pretty you are

and that's like it's like

you shouldn't do this really you're like

imagining me in the vein of your hater

i just don't know where the problem's

coming from

i mean if you i think the problem for

most people is coming from

it's sort of

i don't want to say like

american-centric but it's like

yeah

you're not gonna agree

i just don't i don't see like the

i do see like i don't

agree necessarily and

you can explain it further if you want

but that the founding of america isn't

over

like don't you think there's like clear

distinctions between like

previous states of society

post

colonialism or not in terms of what they

mean no i think meaning is never

finished it's always open

but i guess that's it you're you're

saying like the media

with patriotic socialism the meaning of

the american flag is different from what

it is prior

or do you think it already like i just

don't see how it

you differentiate on a math scale but i

don't i feel like we're going in circles

but

i'm actually not saying it's different

i'm saying

you've taken that meaning for granted

what do you mean like i've interpreted

it

narrowly or what

like what do you mean i took it for

granted

i don't understand

you there can i be honest with you

when i talk to you it's a lot like how

you go to a hookah bar

and there's a guy who's microproducing

on shrooms

and he starts a conversation with you

and you don't know where it's going and

you don't know what he's trying to say

well i mean

it just it's just he he talks so long

and you keep trying to say okay what is

the point

and it's almost like he's talking about

nothing

and just

for just nothing at all

i mean the reason why is because i see

like the reason why i bring up so many

different things is because it's not

like

it's like the reason why i have the view

i do have on patriotic socialism is

because of an aggregate of many

different individual things that when

put together

form

somewhat of a

i don't know

unsuccess like i don't want to say

unsuccessful because you're right in the

fact that like infrared does exist and

patriotic socialism does exist but

uh

i just

yeah i don't really

but i don't i don't when i say i don't

really believe that patriotic socialist

future has like a strong

will have a strong grip doesn't mean

that

i don't think you should be trying

but

i just don't i think it's inevitable

that when you adopt this framing

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how does that no it's not ideological

how does that anti-establishment

narrative

or energy even directed against

the forces of imperial like how like

is this patriotic socialism i guess

not it's not trying to voluntarily

end

imperialism through electoralism i just

don't i don't see like what the future

of patriotic socialism is but i guess it

can just

play out

however it does

what are you asking

like how does patriotic's future have

this patriotic socialism actually

implement quote unquote its agenda like

through what mechanisms

through the us government

through the party

through the party

so it could be so it could be

independent of the u.s government

dude

we don't know we just want a communist

party is that so much to ask

to have our own communist party

why does it why does it have to be this

hard to have our own communist party

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i mean

there is a kind there is a comment

that's it there you go there is and

that's what we're fighting for

but isn't that communist party that

currently exists in america kind of

kneecapped and says ridiculous [ __ ] all

the time yeah and that's why we're

sending our people there because we want

to take it over

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so then i mean is the the future of cpu

usa like cpusa 2036 like

what is that

is that just when you take over the

communist party and then

lead like a

mass movement

yup

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all right

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do you see here's here's a question

though

do you ex would you exclude people

from the communist party who are who who

do not like the american flag but are

still marxist

yes

so if you're a marxist leninist and you

support china and you hate the deep

state and you want to

put hillary clinton in prison and you

[ __ ] hate the elite and

you think both parties are just a

[ __ ]

pr

mechanism for deep state

but you hate the american flag because

you notice that the bombs that are

dropped in syria have the american flag

on them

i'm not saying you have to or that's the

correct position abstractly but i'm just

saying let's say that's the reasoning

one let's see if you're a wrecker you

should not be allowed in the party

thousand percent

no matter what so if you [ __ ] hate

the american flag yep if you raise

problems about that [ __ ] flag you

should not be allowed

there are a lot of comments in history

well

what was the black panthers party stance

in the flag did they love the flag

they weren't part of the communist party

they created their own party that was

only for black people

yeah and they didn't like the flag

because they were a black exclusively

black party why would they care about

the [ __ ] flag they wanted to make

their own nation

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i just don't see how like how could you

in like

if there are a group of people who have

been wronged by the us state

and they hate the american flag

how

why the [ __ ] they then they have two

options

and they have two options

either fight to be separatists

and form their own state create their

own party to advocate independently for

their own interests or work within the

american state

and thereby have to tolerate the [ __ ]

flag if you want to work within the

american state you win the majority

which means you respect the [ __ ] flag

if you don't want to go down that

approach

then you can fight for

separatism or some [ __ ]

i'm fine with that i'm fine with that

you're gonna just disqualify like a lot

of [ __ ] like people yeah i am i am i

am gonna disqualify every [ __ ] person

who wants to [ __ ] on this country

while this country feeds them

go form your own country

this country feed them your own country

because it's not really just this

country that feeds the americans

i don't i don't care i'm sick of people

who want to just be here and [ __ ] on

this [ __ ] country

while

what then stop trying to play listen if

you want to create

how could you how could you how could

you have this position when you know

that america [ __ ] bombs the [ __ ] out

of other country

like how the [ __ ] can you because we are

still our own [ __ ] country

but why are you disqualifying communists

who [ __ ]

because they're bombs because they're

[ __ ] bums that's why they're [ __ ]

bums and i'm sick of communist being the

party of bums

cause i'm against bums i'm against

brooklyn [ __ ] professional

managerials in their [ __ ] lofty of

[ __ ] apartments sitting on their

[ __ ] ass on their [ __ ] pillows

bitching and whining and saying

i don't want bombs i'm sick of the bums

they'll hang an american flag up for

sure

no they won't the [ __ ] brooklyn

professional managerials were saying

i'm against this country then [ __ ]

leave then leave

a lot of them love them here

like a lot of them are fervent 99

hate america 90 percent pretend to hate

america

yeah we're not gonna have a [ __ ]

party

where people

are trying to

literally

go ahead go ahead

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well you're trying to win the majority

of people

and you want to work within the the

system of this country within the state

of this country and somehow rule over

the majority of people

while [ __ ] over those [ __ ] people

and telling them hey [ __ ] you [ __ ] your

flag and we're gonna be the tyrants of

your lives

no it's not gonna [ __ ] happen

why is the flag represent those you were

talking about how the

meaning of the flag is continue or

changing it can change right like the

meanings someone how someone interprets

the flag

can be different from person to person

right

no i think

no

just know i don't care about exceptions

i don't care about exceptions

generalizations are correct

exceptions mean nothing

i don't care about individual exceptions

i am i care about reality i don't care

if there's a redditor who has an opinion

and likes to

take lsd and talk about [ __ ] for five

hours and to no avail i don't care about

those exceptions it doesn't matter

politically

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i don't think you know what you're

looking for here or what exactly it is

you want

no i mean i i do know it seriously

sounds like

it's an aggregate of multiple different

things in which i think culminate it

really sounds like you are micro dosing

on shrooms

to be completely honest

i mean

the the real reason why is probably

because i'm on a live stream i haven't

been on a live stream really really long

so my mind is running a lot

so i'm thinking about [ __ ]

that's the actual reason

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but you know i'll come when it comes to

like something simple like

let's say your car was stuck in the snow

and

you are just trying to convince someone

to help you get the car out of the

[ __ ] snow

why don't you give why wha like why

doesn't why don't you give them as much

of a hard time as you give me right i'm

trying to do something very simple you

give me a really hard time

when it comes to something simple like

let's say someone's car is sucks okay

someone's car is stuck in the snow they

say hey can you help me and you say okay

listen i'm i'm gonna stay here and we're

gonna talk about it and you sit for five

hours talking about the quantum

mechanics involved in getting the car

out of the snow

why

either get it out of the snow or don't

it's not actually that complicated

but what does this have to do with what

we were talking about

because i'm doing something very simple

social spatialism very

and you're just over you're needlessly

overly complicating it for no reason

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i just say what like why do you have

this like uh you have to you know you

can't be against the american flag like

why don't you just

allow both

like why is the why is that the signify

for what constitutes like

someone who's you know capable of

joining patreon

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because if you're gonna whine about the

flag it probably means you're a [ __ ]

wrecker

who's just

where it means you recognize that the

american state is a [ __ ] farce and

murders people and that's what's

associated with it then you can go form

a punk rock band and leave the party

alone like you're just engaging then

form a punk rock band

no i'm not i i i don't i don't it has no

political meaning that the america

america's a farce okay then i don't know

what to tell you go form a punk rock

band

that's literally culture liberal culture

that's what it means

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a communist party

is supposed to be

made up of sober minded professionals

who serve the people fight for the

people be champions of the people in a

sober very pragmatic sober

down-to-earth common sense kind of way

work for the people it is not a medium

to vent your moral indignations and your

moral disappointments

and ideals it is a very simple

professional kind of thing okay so when

you have people come

and raise problems with america's are

far so i we don't have time to deal with

the angst of teenagers please understand

and respect

what a communist party is supposed to do

it's not

it's not an outlet for teenage angst

it's not

so

every communist who wanted to burn the

american flag

exhibiting teenager

absolutely

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i think that's like solely an american

perspective i don't think that's it no i

think if you burn the american flag and

you live in this country

it's probably because you're a teenager

with teenage angst

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you think there's a difference between

when you live in the country

i don't care about people who are

disappointed in the ideal of america i

don't

i don't take those people seriously i

think they're children

i care about people who care about the

material reality of america not ideals i

don't care about ideals

i care about people who want to fight

for people who live in that breed in

this [ __ ] country and fight for the

working class of this country that's

what a communist cares about it's not

about

the farce of this or that i don't that

means nothing at all it's absolutely

immaterial

can you eat a farce

can you eat one

like are you asking the parse is

material can you eat it can you eat a

forest can you

what can you do with a farce what is

that

okay that's where you that's where you

have a problem it means nothing it is

absolutely completely meaningless

why are they why do you think burning

the americans means that they're upset

that the idea of america is first rather

than them

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to them

because you said it's because they

recognize america's a farce

okay well i didn't i didn't mean because

of that idea specifically i meant

because they recognized

you know is the imperialist

you know

nation in no way does recognizing

imperialism

justify burning the [ __ ] american

flag when you live in this country this

country feeds you houses you clothes you

it builds you it everything in this

country made by the working class for

you

when you [ __ ] having a problem with

your electricity or your gas you call

the working class to come and fix your

[ __ ] house the truckers of this

country shift give you your goods ship

these goods you and you live in this

country and then you disrespect everyone

by burning the flag because of

imperialism

what does that have to do with the

people then live in a different country

but why why is it it's like you narrow

it down to one thing it's like the

american flag represents

like you're you're mentioning oh the

people who come and

fix your car

what about the police who will come and

beat the [ __ ] out of you

so there's a problem with this country

are you going to be positive and and

want to fix the country or help the

country

so why are you bitching about it then

leave if you don't like how the police

treat you i if you don't like how the

police treat you in this country then

you fight for a better country or you

get the [ __ ] out

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what you don't do is sit around and

wreck the party

stay away from the party the party's

here to help the country the party's not

here to [ __ ] on the country because the

country disappointed you it's here to

help the country and help the people

that's what the parties are for we don't

want people we're just gonna sit around

and [ __ ] and whine and wreck we don't

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see it is like

you don't want people who [ __ ] in line

these are all things that are associated

with burning the america like why is it

even i'm not i didn't even talk about

burning the american fire i was just

saying

if you're if you do not

you know

agree agree with displaying it or

anything like that

it's like you're protecting

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like the

the essence of the

communist party is that like the

american communist party

you think like why does burning the flag

pose an actual issue

because it's stupid and edgy and

reflects an adolescent's mentality

okay what about just like not what about

hating the american flag but not being

like a weirdo

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not just i don't want to say hating it

like your psycho but what about just

like not playing it or not being fun

is that you can't well the party's gonna

fly it

so are you gonna make a problem out of

that are you gonna keep it to yourself

i mean if you if the if the patriotic

socialism

was actually pro-china and

anti-establishment and

going somewhere and flew the american

flag

if it was actually working then i would

keep it to myself

so there you go every time there's going

to be a problem you're going to see the

reason this goes with the the flag or

the flag is a cruise a demonic

no it's not no then yeah get the [ __ ]

out of the park

we don't need that

we don't need ankle biters

it just see like it just seems so odd

that you i mean it seems so odd that you

can recognize how [ __ ] horrible

the only thing that the only way it

could make sense is if you're purely

coming from the point of if you live in

this country and you're some sort of

anarchist

because because i'll tell you why

because in my heart i have already

destroyed the world in my heart the

whole universe has been destroyed in my

heart i'm over it i'm over the

apocalypse i don't [ __ ] care anymore

i'm over it now i live in reality and i

care about the real world all of that

moral [ __ ] i don't care about that

world you think you're living in that

world

is already gone in my heart so i'm

concerned with reality now i live in

reality i don't care

i don't care i just don't care about

how morally

inconsistent or immoral america is or

how wrong its ideals are i care about

actual material reality that's what i

care about

but how are those like how are those

things separate

just think of me as a cynical kgb agent

can you just think of me as that because

it's like that simple

you're cynical

trying to bring communism

so

i don't have the naiveties you have it's

just that simple

some of the [ __ ] you say makes sense to

me and then

this [ __ ] with

you know having this staunch view on the

american flag

it's not about like the flag i don't

care about the flag itself

including the people who don't

buy the american front five

but i mean i i'm just

that's where my that's that's really

where i think it's like that's where

it's revealing that's like where my all

my criticisms have had a i've been okay

this is the this is our country

this is the flag of our country

grow up

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or stay in peter pan forever

just

stay away from the party

we live in the real world this is our

flag of our country

represents our people

the country we live in we are living in

it

just

sober up

when we're anti-imperialist by the way

we mean it

you know when we say we're

anti-imperials we actually mean it which

means that we actually do believe it's

realistic

to stop the wars and fight against

imperialism it's not like an ideal

utopia we have we actually are serious

professional business-like people

who are saying

yes end the wars yes fight the deep

state yes

um institute the hamilton

system of alexander hamilton yes build

up the productive forces these are all

very realistic things

we're proposing we're not doing it from

a perspective of

redeeming childhood fantasies or

imposing utopias or ideals this is

something we actually take seriously in

a business-like way

how do you in a business-like way

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you seriously make the case to the

american people

that

the wars

not only go against their interests

but are being created by people

who are directly responsible for their

remiseration which is literally true you

tell the truth

and they already know that by the way

they're already saying it even without

our intervention

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american imperialism

has a ruling the ruling class of

american imperialism is not the people

so do you just like uh

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do you just like put all the

navy [ __ ] warships and into the museums

like do you still operate that's what

what do you mean that's like 5 million

years

steps away

hypothetically if we got to power what

would we do with all these surplus

military weapons we probably wouldn't

need

probably recycle them

probably like um

you know we'd probably beat the swords

into plowshares and and make something

productive out of them i don't [ __ ]

know

probably sell them or do something yeah

i'm saying it's a pretty big pretty big

issue considering that no it's not

yes a lot of the american economy is not

only on investing in new military

equipment but it's also about

maintaining and we'd make an economy

that's based in

investing in infrastructure like china

does instead of the [ __ ] military

yeah good luck

okay well i don't see what's so

unrealistic about it when a country of

1.4 billion people already showed how it

can be done

because you're going up with people

against people with

[ __ ] and and i'm and i'm and we're

taking them on and we're not

we're not flinching

just so you know me literal soldier

what

like if you're an actual if you're an

actual threat to that established order

they're just they're gonna [ __ ] kill

you

okay then i'll be a martyr

well i'm not saying you need to be a

murderer i need you i mean then

i'm taking that risk i'm taking that

risk

okay i'm taking that risk

you would need that

i don't care i'm taking the risk

anything happens to me happens to me i'm

in a very good mental state

i have never had bad thoughts mentally

so if they do some [ __ ] to me

uh

that's something i'm risking

if you're communist then you have to

have

soldiers who are willing to fight for

you no you don't no you [ __ ] don't

no you [ __ ] don't because

100 percent no you don't

100

no you don't but the government

where are you talking about the

employees

stop [ __ ] interrupting me and stop

wasting my time you don't need [ __ ]

soldiers because we still are a country

of laws and if the government just

decides to kill every communist

arbitrarily guess what that will have

legal ramifications for our state

what you think they're gonna have legal

ram yes he will it'll have random there

have to be a clue of some kind the

constitution would have to be formally

suspended and it would have all sorts of

ramifications even if it will be a

crisis of legitimacy yes

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it's like what makes you think at this

point in reality that these forces will

be bound by these by the constitution

i just don't think you understand how

the world works that's just that simple

ah thanks man it's really

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what i'm saying is if like you really

want to be a threat to these things and

you

number one you're gonna have to have

people who are willing to fight for you

and defend

for

it's [ __ ] enough

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it's honestly enough okay

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we're out [ __ ] long man i'm sorry i

just

it would never end

there's always a new [ __ ] dialogue

tree

there's always a new [ __ ] dialogue

tree

it doesn't end

it's always something new

you would have to be

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[Music]

just wants to talk for no reason

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all right we're gonna

we're gonna react to that patriotism

[ __ ] tomorrow we don't have time today

but yeah we'll watch legit so can we

watch the jideon video with pokemane

because you're saying bruce already

responded to it

pokemane okay well they responded to it

we should be fine

um pushing p with pokemane

wow so bruce watched it already so we'll

watch it

bruce

drop them off

uh let's check it out

when did he watch it

[Applause]

you're baiting me he didn't watch it

he didn't watch it what are you talking

about

that's bait

you're baiting me

oh he did watch it did he watch the

whole thing

oh god he did

all right so we can watch it that

nigga's telling me to kill myself cause

i

yo nah no cap

does gideon do that on purpose to where

he go nineteen thousand sub run

when i was really young but only because

i was stupid and i didn't know why be

alex

watch the whole thing okay we can watch

it then i guess

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here today to celebrate the life of the

dion premium may the stream rest in

peace

to begin this service we ask that you

join us

in a moment of silence

the dion premium had absolutely no idea

what he was doing from the commentators

bullying him to losing every single ebay

he participated in the man couldn't even

aim his glitzy the right way in gta

was averaging more viewers than

streamers who had been on the twitch

platform for years

always having monumental moments like

the time joe biden's grandson invited

him to the white house

that real oh

and the biggest thing of them all no pun

intended his baby mama lizzle

reacting to the love track he made about

her

it's okay it's okay take the morning

instead i'm ready

for grandma i don't mind all that he

will forever be missed

rest in peace

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he is

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thank you everybody for being here today

i think we all lost a friend but as god

said if you believe in his everlasting

son you will live with him in paradise a

lot of people said that me and judeon

premium looked alike me personally i

didn't see the resemblance but one thing

i did see in him that that we all did

was a light and a world that's dark

where is pokemon

we need more souls like that judeo

premium had a lot of friends that live

all across the united states and all

across the world but they couldn't make

it here so they sent in some videos so

if you can please play those and thank

you for all your condolences and please

keep us and his family in prayer my

brother dion you're very mr marcus i

miss you so much i don't even know what

to say anymore it's just depressing at

this point we all miss you bro i love

you

where in the video

second half

that's honestly the part we have to

watch

stuff like that and i'm a menace to

society but i'm not a villain i just

know a lot of you guys are like bro

how the [ __ ] did you pull this off

what's good mrs maine

well i had to i got to represent i got

the full get up

how did you get that in such a short

notice well i'm tough like that so pokey

kept on calling me dijon mustard so at

first i thought it was like a little

shot at me but then i was like maybe

you're just obsessed with it so

i got you a lifetime supply of dijon

mustard thank you so much this is gonna

be our first like trust test oh yeah

this is our first trust fault i'm 250

pounds of pure muscle please don't drop

me

okay okay

my [ __ ] smash

can i tell you guys something

and this just says something about me

i would never ever do a trust fall

with anyone

not even pokeman

if she told me hey do a trespass and

nope

not even anyone

see that dress off me like that [ __ ]

that's what you [ __ ] get talking that

[ __ ] about me you see the thing about

you i don't trust nobody when it comes

to that

nobody

you're wholesome me i just like to [ __ ]

with people so it's like i'll just say

like

even

circa hell no not wizurka

if anyone would [ __ ] do some [ __ ]

where he just gets out of the way it

would be zorko i would not trust him

with a trust fall hell nah

jackson is the most likely

that i would trust

because he wouldn't do that [ __ ] right

randomly but zerka would do that [ __ ]

stuff

with people too

but just not in like an aggressive

manner okay you're not a troll you don't

got no troll boning you pokey

someone wants to be a compilation circle

would do it on accident he'd be like

will he pretend it's on accident no this

is what circle would do this is why i

don't trust him because he would try to

meme and joke that he's he's uh he's

gonna make me fall

but it actually would make me fall

because he like trips or something

pokey trolling

we'll see we'll see i like to do it just

in a way that i like they're gonna be

left thinking that i'm

crazy yes i know i love going up to

people i would be like [ __ ] the [ __ ] in

the back with the burberry on like i say

rap lyrics like super fast

but you gotta just say it fast i just

put them in the back of the burberry on

so me and pokey we're good now we had a

conversation i'm not gonna lie

i did think you were the reason i got

banned i feel like this is like this

lore about you like when people talk

about you they get sniped it almost

makes me feel bad because i'm like oh my

god i'm forcing platforms to like put

into action their terms of service like

i don't want to do that but i came to

figure out it was just the twitch mods

like they just don't [ __ ] with me like

if you removed my name with anyone

else's name you still would have gotten

i was reckless as [ __ ] like i was really

rude and mean and stuff like that so i

do want to apologize another reason why

i wanted to like stop it is a lot of you

guys are using me as like a scapegoat

just to get hurt i'm like bro no i feel

like he really meant his apology yeah we

talked like an hour dude

okay okay the pokey plug but it's not

even like that like i don't want people

to think like i'm just here to like you

know try to get back on twitch and stuff

like that the main thing is i don't want

to have like just like negativity out

there when it doesn't need to be i wish

we could have just been friends instead

of starting off on netflix this is so

cool

like you should i like that they're

friends

but not too close yo judeon you got to

back up a little bit

right

but you know i like them not to be

hating on each other but

don't be don't be getting too close bruh

even i got limits

don't be getting too close

yeah i'm not gonna lie they're just back

to hollywood obviously and then john

followed me bro ninja bro i still love

you though that hurt pokey wait can you

give a quick [ __ ] tyrone

he better leave you alone oh [ __ ]

okay

i'm not gonna lie i did predict this

y'all remember kids were talking about

you they said that hey bro you can both

you cannot talk

don't talk about

this but you're not poking me no more

they took away the p from your name

they're calling you okay you convinced

people to give me back the p in

who's your favorite rapper i would have

to say j cole who's your favorite shorty

on savage turn his ass into a booty

clapper

see like you know people who have the

detroit

spirit

i'm not from the streets of detroit but

i have the detroit mentality

you know we grizzly people we don't [ __ ]

with any of you right i went to la i

went to all over

we we're just different

detroit is built the detroit rap is

built different detroit spirit of

detroit is different it's a different

thing yeah i don't understand any anyone

you know

sorry

it's knife talk that shows hard

when i'm at the gym

[Music]

chopper hit him and he turned into a

booty clapper

what a [ __ ] strike where is

what are you like what are you hitting

when you listen to this song

[Music]

but you better be doing like bench or

[ __ ] like heavy squatting i'm doing

hip thrust

yeah i want to get a fat ass and then

someday i'll be in a drake music video

i'm not gonna lie like a lot of people

say i have a fat ass

i haven't looked but i can let you know

if you want how you sometimes don't show

yourself when you walk away he knows the

pokey lord

well i know because i have to do the

same thing too hey what's good um are

you guys supporting the black lives

history month really great question

that's why i came here for the discount

mr fellay said that you know they're

doing a black kiss you guys all cover

the discount yeah i'm going to put in my

order though i'm going to get um

everything

one of everything one of everything that

youtube check in this month oh no i

found the black history month two three

four counts

bro it's all good

hey guess what she's part of our hood

now it's on her

170-169 okay thank you

appreciate it all right damn that money

is nothing to them okay i'm making money

like yeah yeah

that's why you always get full coverage

what do you think do you have a fat ass

in your opinion

i put the pee in poking

wow

this is my first ever damn

thing so i think it's more so pronounced

looks good man

no

you're wrong i'm sorry should i tweet

out like what questions you want me and

pokemon to answer

yeah

they're not gonna believe this laugh my

ass off this man do the unthinkable

what the [ __ ] is this crossover this is

really our crossover like crazy someone

said how has pokey opinion on you change

okay

all they do is eat

and all i have to do

is get the [ __ ] out of here because

honest with you guys

i will be back

another time

and you must know

it is a crime i'm gonna be back tomorrow

see you tomorrow guys six hour stream

tomorrow

see ya i'm gonna finish stargate i've

been watching this movie called stargate

and i'm gonna finish it

and i only have 230 viewers to raid with

nothing

i will see you tomorrow

i'm gonna finish my movie eat my food go

to bed not going to the gym tonight

i might go to the gym tomorrow

taking a break because my arm is

sprained a little bit muscle i don't

want to pull a muscle so i'm chilling

right

i'm chilling

anyway guys smashing into the light

bucket no no no no no no no no no no

and i wish i got some french fries but

i'll get fat

and that

is a cat in the hat

bye guys see you tomorrow