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We're going to be debating right now.

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Well, it's okay.

I'm going to need a moment now too.

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I do not.

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going to. I just need a few moments here while I size and place your zoom screens into your proper names. Okay, I think infrared's looking good.

Let's do it.

Hi, guys, we are waiting for this to...

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but it is what it is.

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Okay, we are all set and we're just waiting.

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Guys, initially this debate...

Do you want to start infrared?

Uh, yeah, I don't mind.

Out of it.

Okay, so infrared's going to go first, I'd take it then from what I just heard.

JF, you'll go after that.

What was the format standard?

It was a 10 minute opening, followed by 50 minute open discussion.

Is that what the email said?

Yeah, whatever whatever you like

Okay, and then we're going to super chats you guys both know those super chats can sometimes run long especially if we do a good job

Right if we can get the crowd

Really electric and asking questions and we can be here for a bit and that's always fun too.

My job is simple, sit here and do nothing,

unless I have to get in.

So I'm hoping you guys can avoid any personal attacks or insults.

And if you talk over top of each other,

I'll butt in and calm it down and maybe I'll do a whole

like call to action real quick

and then I'll give it back to you guys,

the open discussion.

It's a pretty relaxed format,

but I think you guys have been here you kind of know that.

And

Lately there's been a little bit of like I don't know some people have been calling it racist comments coming from

debaters and things if we can just steer away from that that would be wonderful

all right and other than that yeah other than that let's let's put on a good show and

like we got over 125 people already waiting for us.

So now that I've said my speech, I'm going to go live, we'll let it sit soft open for 10-15 seconds.

I'll come back, say hello, thanks for coming, yada,ada and infrared the floor will be yours okay?

Awesome good luck gents I'm going to see. Welcome everybody to another episode of Modern Day Debate.

I'm your moderator tonight Justin and tonight's topic is

communism versus capitalism. We got infrared and JF here to discuss those topics and infrared I believe you're

going first so the floor is all yours.

Sure.

So I think that the era of capitalism that we call the capitalist mode of production is over.

Capitalism is dead and we find not any real capitalist economy in the world anymore, we rather find an institution which on

the basis of the principle of capitalism engages in the rapacious plunder and destruction of nations

and countries through debt, through purely financial

capitalism, that is only based in the institution called capitalism, but in reality no one else

gets to participate in any kind of quote-unquote capitalism besides being debtors and the

recipients of their predatory financial

predatory financial behavior. See today there's no such thing as a free market. Sure you can open up a

business and which there's a large likelihood of failure that's okay that's all

risk right but if your business will ever get so successful to the point that it will come

close to even rivaling the monopolies

that exist. Doesn't matter even if it's a restaurant business. You hit your head on a ceiling

in which you have to conform to whatever the monopoly wants. You have to get bought out by the ESG rigged Black Rock and Vanguard and so on and so on.

And the possibility that any kind of entrepreneurialism that leads to the maximization of human

liberty or anything of that sort is completely impossible.

Even libertarians today admit that we don't

live in the so-called pure capitalism. And my only contestion would be that there was never

a pure capitalism. A hundred years ago you had people toiling in factories and on farms with no possibility whatsoever for any other

kind of opportunity and now in the era of the rise of the middle class the rise of

your bureaucracy we don't have capitalism anymore so the dream of capitalism is over and the

American dream is dead and it's time to stop trying to

revive the American dream in the silly individualist form where people think that they're

going to be the ones to finally get rich and make it out. The truth is some people might get rich out of

chance, maybe Bitcoin, maybe something else, but it's not a solution to the problems we're

facing and the problems we're facing are very severe. We're no longer able to support

our population. We don't have jobs in this country anymore.

Our infrastructure is garbage. We're not even laying efficient use of the resources and

natural wealth that we have here. The fourth Industrial Revolution is happening

and there's a big transition into a new era of technology.

I love technology, but guess what?

The majority of people are going to get left behind because not everyone can be a

coder as Hillary Clinton said.

We need a common plan.

We need to come together and take responsibility for our common fate and

ensure that the transition into the new era that our country is headed

towards and the new era of technology is done so in a way that fulfills the

common prosperity of the people and we have to do this.

And this country is already acutely divided down the middle because people are too distracted to focus on who the real enemy is.

And who's the real enemy? The enemy is the capitalist class. And by the capitalist

class, I don't mean your Ma and Pa shops. I don't mean your small business owners and

people who just happen to have some spare wealth. I don't, it's not a matter of

wealth or how rich you are, it's a matter of how much power you have. it's the banks it's the monopoly

capitalists who control our economy they control our country and it's political and

the lice you a lot of dissidents who complain about the political

reality in our country and the woke stuff and this and that the root source of it is the ruling vampire-like

parasitic capitalist class and always has. Who feeds you? Who controls your

minds? Who controls your resources? Who controls your factories? Who controls your

infrastructure and your energy? That's way more important than anything else and those people

disposed of that kind of wealth can see fit to implement any kind of agenda

they want whatsoever. American farmlands should belong to Americans.

American resources should belong to Americans. American minds should belong to Americans.

American resources should belong to Americans and should be put to use in a way

that sees and attends to the common prosperity of all Americans. I don't believe in a

government or a welfare state holding everyone's hand and making sure that every single person is completely having the same outcome

but we're already paying what 50% in our taxes and paying these exorbitant

teeth to what is effectively through the Federal Reserve mechanism a form of

futile rent extraction to the goddamn banks. Why should we be doing that? Why shouldn't

our government actually put our resources to use in a way that actually benefits us. Why are we

sending it to Ukraine and to Israel and to all these other parasite countries and to

the military industrial complex? Americans aren't seeing a cent come back to them

as far as the taxes that they're paying. And whether we do a tax strike,

whether we stop paying taxes or whether our taxes actually get to get put to good use,

that's a common question. It can only be resolved in a common way. And there needs

to be a common accountability and a seizure and a responsibility for our common future.

Because guess what? Without communism, we are going to be enslaved to oligarchs.

And that's always been the truth in history.

We need to seize in some kind of way our means of production and

make sure that they're accountable to us and that we have sovereign ownership of

them. Otherwise we can't complain about what's affecting our country. Sure we can blame

China, we can blame this, we can blame

that. We blame everyone except the people right under our noses, the capitalist

class, the people who actually plunder and steal our money and rape and

destroy our country with absolute impunity who are laughing themselves to the bank

quite literally as the red versus blue politics in this country takes hold and people

argue and fight over got literally nothing and they play both sides they fund

both forms of the media they fund the the right-wing dissident media and they

fund the leftist as well and they're sitting back and they're having a great

time watching everyone fight over things while not paying any attention to them.

I mean how is it that we don't own our own oil? How do we not own our own energy? We don't even own

our own banks. The Federal Reserve is a private cartel of banks. And look, we'd all

want to return to the fantasy of everyone being completely independent and us having

no common reality and common common responsibilities whatsoever.

We all go live in the woods.

That's a great fantasy, but guess what?

You have to take responsibility for the people in this country.

You have to take responsibility.

What happens when we get old?

You know, and we don't have family around us. What happens when we get old? You know, and we don't have family

or honest. What happens when the going gets tough and we find ourselves on the

short end of the stick of bad luck? And most importantly, who's going to

defend our country? Who's going to defend our borders? We need to take responsibility for our country and that's a

common responsibility and taken to its furthest conclusion. That's what

communism is all about. We need a government and a country that serves the

working class majority and which is cognizant of the fact that it is surrounded by

enemies the people are surrounded by enemies oligarchical enemies who want to see to a

depopulation agenda destroying and plundering what little wealth we already have we We don't simply want to redistribute the wealth.

We want to exploit the wealth and potential that we have,

and we're being prevented from doing that precisely by the capitalist class

who has a monopoly on it.

Communism isn't about being jealous of people for being more prosperous.

It's not about wanting equal outcomes for every single person.

It's about sovereignty.

It's about sovereign control of the means of production by the working class.

And for so long, they've distorted that meaning through propaganda and tried to make it into something else when in reality it's actually quite simple.

It's quite simple. Whatever is elevated to the status of common responsibility, we should own it.

Why instead of giving these corporations subsidies, we should own it. Why, instead of giving these corporations subsidies,

we should dissolve them,

or we should take them over ourselves

instead of paying so much taxes to the government,

the government could pay for itself

if we nationalized these sons of bitches. But instead we like to pay our taxes and

with what little we get already. Americans should have more disposable income, not

less, and the way you have that is the nationalization. And I don't think everything should be nationalized.

I don't think people's homes should be nationalizing,

and people's personal belonging should.

But when it comes to things that we all depend on, every single one of us,

that's not an individual form of private property that's a straight up

robbery of our common means of subsistence by a handful of parasites

I think I'll rest it there for now. That's it. All right. Great start for red. Thank you so much.

All right everybody. Thank you for infrared for your opening statement there. I know I just said that, but I was muted. I wanted to make sure everybody heard me say it.

Before I give the floor over to JF, I just want to remind everyone that this is a modern day debate.

Our goal here is to attempt to have an equal and fair platform for anybody to come share their ideas and discuss or debate against

people with different points of view. Having said that, I would like to ask the chat

tonight to avoid any personal attacks to our debaters and we want to keep this a happy place if we can.

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click that like.

Hold on, I'm sorry.

To start sending those super chats.

I see some of you already very active with those super chats

and I don't mean to them for later when I will

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all right just hang on folks yeah yeah I I minimized it once and then it completely went black so I had to leave and join again.

Sorry about that.

I'm not going to minimize it.

That's okay. Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

So as we were, everyone hitting like, subscribe.

JF, the floor is all yours.

All right, well, what an intro by infrared?

Quite spectacular, and I find myself agreeing with 99% of what is said, but there is a,

there is a little trickery of magic that he does which is a label and he attributes to capitalism

all of the ills that he lists but what he lists are not ills of capitalism. They are ills that are representative of the fact that our society

has become less and less capitalistic with time and has become more and more communistic,

has left too much power to the state. And all of the ills that he lists I agree but they

stem not from what he thinks it is not the private capitalist parasitic class that

true capitalistic mean is exploiting our work what's happening is that they are through the state creating these monopolies,

through the state keeping anyone from developing competition that makes sense,

through the state arresting people and blocking them on individual rights and their rights to

profit from their own business ventures which keeps them small players and

creates a parasitic class that accommodates wealth privately but does so

through the forced arm of the state.

And what we have to get rid of is this fact that 50% of our money goes to the government,

that yes, it is mismanaged, and what infrared is demanding demanding we already have the people are in

control of this system the people can vote and the system that we have

attained that he describes as sick is the system that people have

constantly voted for.

So the people is not to be trusted with power.

To the contrary, we have to go back to a more basic form of capitalism

where power is fully in the end of private interest,

simply because people are too stupid to guide a society.

I wouldn't trust them with my children, I wouldn't trust them with my money, and you wouldn't,

probably. And so why would you trust them with the entire faith of society?

Let me just list through everything that I agree with from infrared. The

era of capitalism is over. Capitalism is dead. Yes, true. The depth, the fake systems that name

itself capitalism but has no feature of it absolutely true it's a

fake system wherein it's not capitalism today there is no such thing as a free

market absolutely correct there was never a per capitalism happening in the world. That is true. I agree.

Capitalism is an ideal and it's always implemented in a form that will have some weaknesses to it.

It's time to stop trying to revive the American dream in the silly individualist form.

I agree.

I agree capitalism is not about individualism.

Capitalism is a system under which I want big families to rise.

I want groups to feel that they're together. I want groups to be able to free the

families to rise I want groups to be able to freely associate between one

and not be kept from associating in groups and against other groups.

And Far Red says the real and me is the capitalist class.

The people that he's talking about are not per-capitalist.

The people that he's talking about are people who play the triangle of power between the state, the Fed, and the private sector.

And they do it well.

They do it well for themselves.

This is a parasitic class that, yes, we must find a solution to in our world, but those are

not capitalist.

Those are authoritarian authoritarian statists.

They wouldn't be able to pull what they're pulling without the state.

They wouldn't be able to pull what they're pulling without the Fed.

And so we must diagnose the problem properly because if we don't we will make the system worse through the very same mean that it became that bad and that mean is the power to the people, democracy, which has been going on forever in the US and has led to the current

situation.

Infrared says, his problem is not with the small business owners, it's the people with

power, banks, monopoly capitalist, politicians, I agree.

He says American farmlands should belong to Americans.

American minds should belong to Americans and should contribute to the wealth of the

American people.

I agree, but how do we get there? How do we make sure that the

product of American innovation in all its forms ends up paying to the people who

produce this innovation

ends up increasing their wealth rather than the wealth of someone else.

Well, the first step is not to collect taxes on every case of success.

The first step is not to collect taxes at the 50% level. The first

step is to lower the size of the state so that people can have private wealth that is

not looked upon as a form of drainable,

a easily parasitized form of wealth.

He says, let's stop money, sending money to Ukraine, Israel.

I agree, but it's not capitalism that's sending money to Ukraine and Israel.

It is communism.

It is the very mechanism that infrared is suggesting we direct society with,

which is power to the people.

Power to the people means you elect representatives. These representatives

and the government currently are taking your money and sending it to Ukraine

and Israel. I don't see Elon Musk sending much money to Ukraine and Israel.

Maybe he's developing some satellite work here and there, but otherwise

Elon Musk is not sending billions to Ukraine for the war effort. It's the very people

who are supposed to represent the people and who do so under that are democratically

elected to do so.

So the problem is not in the private sector here.

The problem is in state power.

Infrared touches a point which I believe is our main point of this agreement.

And the whole mislabeling that he does of... point of

I believe is our main point of disagreement and the whole mislabeling that he does of

criticizing capitalism for what truly are the acts of the state.

I think that's where it breaks my disagreement my agreements with him. He says we have to find a way to manage money efficiently.

That is very important, and I would like this debate to be mostly around this because I think it's where we differ.

You do not, you do not attain an efficient management of money by trusting the people.

You cannot even trust the workers who are a more intelligent subset of the people. Even the workers are too stupid. You can't even take a subset of the people. Even the workers are too stupid. You can't even take a subset of them to

manage wealth. What is the proper way to manage wealth? It is not to

entrust it to the mob, not interested to a democracy, not interested to representatives, all of these things have failed and they are failing right in front of our eyes.

The mechanism that true capitalism proposes for management of wealth is whoever makes profit gets to manage the next generation of that wealth.

If Elon Musk finds a way to develop something called PayPal, and if it turns out that PayPal is genius in its time

and it's something that really people needed.

Elon Musk ends up having a lot of money from PayPal and Elon Musk gets to put that money

into the next effort into whatever it is the next innovation effort that we will

deploy and Elon Musk invested in electric cars and if it turns out that it was a genius move to invest it in electric cars, he gets even more money.

And now he invested in free speech.

And if it turns out, as it seems to be, that X is currently rising as a unique platform of free

speech on the internet and attracts more and more users.

If that was the right move, Elon Musk will get even more money to send us to Mars like monkeys

in space and perhaps build bases wherever he wants.

That is the rule of capitalism.

It's the idea that most people are stupid, not like 50% of people are stupid,

99.999% of people are stupid and they shouldn't be given a dollar to

manage except the one they can win from their own work. Otherwise if you're

talking about good management you need someone who demonstrates a success on the

free market, someone like

Elon Musk who creates something that everyone else wants. And the only system

that has a way to manage this, the only system that properly and efficiently

manages what will be our next effort is capitalism and

it's its expression in people like Elon Musk who have known how to do the right

thing and when to do it. So capitalism is the only solution to this problem and I suggest that infrared cannot

tonight provide us any answer that is satisfying with regards to how do we manage

innovation, research and future directions in a communist nation.

All right, Jeff, thank you so much, very well said.

And that's the opening statements from both of our debaters.

Once again, thanks everyone for coming out and checking this out.

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doctorate diploma and so we all wish him the best good luck getting that doctorate and

we'll see him back as soon as possible.

But in the meantime, thanks to your guys of support, we are at 164,000 subscribers, which is just

crazy and super cool. And with that, we'll get back to why you're all here the

open discussion 50 minutes infrared jiff go for it so I'll try to answer the

question as best I could that you just posed how do we manage our

wealth well simple we acknowledge that it's our wealth in the first place that the

wealth somehow has to be understood as a common wealth that doesn't mean all of

our personal belongings get aggregated in a single circle to be redistributed. It means our

real sources of wealth, which is our natural resources, which is our productive

forces, our industries, and our factories and whatnot. To the extent that they get to

a scale that becomes a monopoly, it needs to be under the

sovereign control in a central way, a central administration and sovereign

control. I don't believe in, quote-unquote, democracy in the sense that we

we leave management all up to individuals. That would be ridiculous.

The whole point of centralizing and having a central plan is for the very brightest,

for the very most talented, for the very smartest, to participate in actually managing the resources of the

country in the best way but you need to leave opportunity open to the

possibility that there is untapped genius out there which you haven't accounted for

in your plan this is where I disagree with the view that I think 99% of people are stupid.

I think there's potentials in people that aren't being realized that could be.

And whatever, of course it's always going to be an exceptional minority.

But you need to leave room for people to be able to actually dispose of

resources in ways that are unaccounted for before. Now you mentioned people like

Elon Musk and how their ability to manage these enterprises means that they should be

entitled to having more resources

to manage more enterprises.

You know, actually I don't even strictly disagree with that, but I think the key word is

management.

Of course, there's exceptional talented managers and administrators, right?

But there needs to be an accountability to the Commonwealth, to the common reality that we have.

Elon Musk shouldn't be able to have a company, for example, I'm not saying he is now, but he

shouldn't be able to have a company where he disposes of resources in such a way

that it hurts the collective harmony of the country as a whole and comes at the expense of everyone else.

It needs to be balanced and reconciled in some kind of central way.

So I disagree that. The second thing I want to say, and we can kind of get into more stuff,

but the second thing I want to say is I don't agree with the view that the people are in power.

I think what we have as democracy, quote unquote, is a complete sham.

What we actually have is an oligarchy, and those actual popular figures that rise up and give

expression to the real spiritual direction and voice of the people, those people all get assassinated,

they get put in jail, and they disappear from the public spotlight.

I mean they would have assassinated Trump and he, Trump caved to the elites and in so many different ways and they

still want to throw him in jail for that.

Every time we've seen any kind of

grassroots leader, most people haven't heard of them or they get assassinated, they

get killed, or the FBI locks them up or something else along those lines happens.

We definitely don't have a democracy. We have an oligarchical spectacle of democracy. If I ran for president, for example, and I could

cross a sufficient threshold where people would know about me and I'd be out there, there

would not even be a 5% chance that the powers that be would allow me to rise to a level of contesting the candidates that they prefer.

They don't let you get that far.

I mean, Trump only got as far as he did because of Sheldon Adelson. Let's remember that.

I don't agree that people are in control. And look, I don't think everyone's a rocket science scientist.

I totally agree. Most people are simple. It's called simple people. But what they do have is perspective and wisdom and

it's a perspective and wisdom on for example how to reproduce a culture

How to tinker with I mean put it this way Jeff Bezos probably has a much

smarter than your average mechanic right but does Jeff Bezos have has a much smarter than your average mechanic, right? But does Jeff

Bezos have experience working with cars and knowing how they work? Does Jeff

Bezels know how to how to manage a farm? Does he know about these realities?

Probably not, right? So it's a division of labor. You have to appreciate that there's some people that have

perspective that a highly efficient and smart managers don't and I'm not

against talented smart and efficient managers I'm just against oligarchical capitalist elites plundering our resources to worship

Molok, which is what they're doing.

All right, going back to the question of a central authority.

And here we are with the, we open on the problem of a central authority and here we are with the we open on the problem of a

central authority which is how do you select the ultimate decision-making

mechanism of that central authority some people would say it's a dictator, it's a communist dictator that

you're putting in power. Some people would say, well let's leave the voice of the people capable

of controlling that dictator. The problem is always the same which is whatever authority you name

will be corruptible will be

subject to the very same type of parasitism that you don't like from our current society.

So what makes you think that you have a better authority selection system than capitalism.

Well it's simple I think that the corruption always comes from the

formation of an oligarchy. So actually an actual dictatorship is actually much

better at preventing corruption than a so-called formal democracy.

And I'm not saying I advocate for a formal dictatorship, I'm just saying.

When you have a popular leader, beloved and accountable to the people and who puts and elevates the

people's interests first, it's difficult

for oligarchs to maneuver around to have solidify their positions and turn it into a

dynastic and generational position at everyone else's expense. So I am not an advocate for I believe in power of the people

through a leader. I don't necessarily believe in power to the people in the sense of an extremely

bureaucratic decision-making completely democratic Democratic, everything, you vote on everything, you vote on

what the toilet paper looks like.

I don't believe that, right?

And I think there's some people who talk about workers cooperatives being the model for

the whole country.

And you know, I think workers cooperatives work very well at a certain level of scale.

But when you scale up, you need more of a central form of authority.

You need representatives.

And that's why it needs to be balanced.

You need to have a central authority that interfaces

with all of the lower levels of management and that's actually the figure

that Stalin was in a lot of ways. He would, before he would make any decision, he

would call the universities, he would call up the technical specialist, he'd call

the engineers, he would get a well-rounded perspective before making the final decision.

And I think the final decision is important. But how do you prevent corruption? I think it's simple. You need vigilance. You need a vigilant population that's armed. Not a lot of people know this.

Mao's China, one of the most heavily armed populations in human history, and the guns only

started to be illegal after the reforms of Deng Xiaoping. Even the Enverhozas Albania had similar levels of gun ownership.

So people need to assert sovereignty, but they don't have to do that in an overly complicated way.

If those in powers start abusing the dignity of the people and start abusing their authority in

corrupt ways, you need to have an armed mob with torches and pitchforks that can

set things right. And I trust, I trust the people. I don't think the people are

rocket scientists, but I think when they see for

example elderly women getting kicked out of their homes that they lived in for

generations and being thrown out onto the street and they want to take

torches and pitchforks and start you know setting right. I think that's a God-given

instinct they've been given. I think when people see children being molested, I think the mob

knows best, to be honest. So in this regard, I think you need to have a combination of a strong

central authority and a strong

Vigilant population and these is how you assert sovereignty in a way that doesn't allow the corruption we're talking about to take hold

Here's my problem

suppose that I would grant that you can find a good leader once.

What's the mechanism that gets this leader replaced by a continually good leader

ten years later and then twenty years later another good leader? The problem is that I don't see a system at all in which the

right person is being chosen and what I see is at the moment of transition in

any authoritarian system or centrally controlled system, you're going to have people capable of elevating the leader that they want, the leader that is corrupt to advantage their subclass.

How do you keep that from happening at the transition level?

How do you make your choice ever and ever better?

I think every leader is always susceptible to the public perception, always every single leader.

Every single leader has a mystical even relationship with the mood of the entire country.

And to that extent, a leader, a good leader, cannot be selected, simply selected.

There's no council of experts that's going to be able to permanently select what the good leader is going to be.

And it's enough that a leader is good, by the way.

Not every leader has to be great.

In my opinion, Mao was a great leader, right?

Deng was a pretty good leader, right?

But the ones that came after, Hu Jintao, Jiang Zemin and so on, those were, I would say, good

leaders. They weren't extraordinary, but they kept the stability of the country going. And then comes along

Zizhin Ping, who is a great leader leader and how did she's in ping come along

because he correctly articulated the spiritual mood and direction of his country he was a

a populist in that regard but I concede to you you will not always have a great leader they wouldn't be called

great if every single leader was great but there's no way to select for it beforehand

there's no way to ensure that a system is going to guarantee your leader is going to be good it's the

responsibility of a population to keep

their leader in check. It's not the responsibility of a group of experts. It's

ultimately always going to be the responsibility of the people. And as a matter of

fact, I do agree to an extent that we the people are

responsible for the power system we have in this country only I don't think it's in

the form of democracy I think it's in the form of our indifference the fact that

we just watch Sunday night football every week and ignore the goings of the world and we don't even

care or take responsibility for what's going on in our country and we're basically living in a bubble

completely isolated from the reality surrounding us like frogs being boiled slowly in water.

I agree we are responsible for this

situation but the moment we as the moment we really feel and and and

awaken to how much power we the people actually have. I don't think you can

erase that it's difficult to Even when the Soviet Union was

dissolved, there was riots on the street. They brought tanks down because people, even

then at that point in the existence of the Soviet state, could not reverse the sense of responsibility they had for it, that it was

their state and they didn't want to let it dissolve or get collapsed and what do you

know Putin comes to power decade later because here's what I believe the people

always win the people are always the masters of history for better or for worse and it's not because they're

smart it's not because they're rocket scientists it's because a country is always

a body politic it's a body of the people that's what a nation is right what else are we talking about if not a body of the people. That's what a nation is, right? What else are we talking about, if not a country of people, right?

So that is always going to determine the course of history for better or for worse.

And the problem is that people have not awakened to this level of responsibility and power that they have.

And communism is about its class consciousness, spreading consciousness precisely of that.

It's kind of a circular definition that must be always true that the people win because the people who don't win

end up dead very often in history sometimes killed by the very dictators that you would praise and that you would want to lead a nation.

And so I think that, yeah, whatever people is left alive after historical events,

they do have some power because they can revolt.

They can block systems or they can allow systems to continue.

But this is ultimately my problem with central authorities of all kind, which is that you have no mechanism

to ensure the continued non-corruption of your central authority, whereas capitalism as an incremental approach to always make leaders

that have demonstrated something, that they've demonstrated that they were able

to manage a smaller amount of money and get more profits from it.

So capitalism is ever improving if you can keep it going.

communism is always headed toward corruption.

It's only a matter of time even if the times are good at a particular point in time

because you ended up with the right leader. There is no mechanism to ensure that the next leader

will be even better. Whereas in capitalism a leader gets to lead a company because he has a certain amount of wealth that he has accumulated

he's entitled to spend that wealth once

it's false to think of rich people in our nations as rich forever.

Their wealth will dissolve at some point.

And in fact, it's pretty quick.

It takes a couple of generations before any amount of wealth

that has been accumulated will end up being dissolved.

So I think that capitalism offers us a better alternative, which is, yes, your good leader,

which would have arisen in a communist system, can show his talents in capitalism.

He can start small, and he can grow and

grow until he controls more. In communism that person will either be allowed or

not allowed and it will be dependent on whatever central authority has

determined to be the priority directions for investment of wealth and resources.

But the key thing is that when you say capitalism you're talking about the ideal kind and I'm not talking about an ideal kind of

communism because I don't believe in ideal realities I don't believe in

reality right so as you yourself would admit this may be an ideal of

capitalism but nowhere is it the reality and that's exactly the issue.

I am not forwarding if I was forwarding an ideal communism I could just say

well actually people can just manage themselves we don't even need to have any

kind of authority whatsoever and they were just you know everything

would just work out magically on its own and then if we talk about an ideal

capitalism we can likewise say the free market will select for everything it'll

select for good leaders on its own but this isn't what happens in either case

I think there are a lot there

are a lot of what you presented today that are the ideal situation you suppose

that leaders you suppose that leaders had a form of mystical power tying them to the

people you suppose that these leader would again and again and

these people would again and again get the right leaders by imposing their force.

The reality of a communist system is people will have blind spots and leaders will be able to go corrupt in ways that the people can't tell at the moment where it happens.

Sure, I'm not speaking in ideals so I am happy to go through the examples.

In what ways was Mao a corrupt leader? I don't know the story of Mao so I won't quote it.

What about Stalin?

Well Stalin has fought against his own population and as engaged in starving certain parts of his population.

That would be an example of corruption.

Stalin didn't starve a single section of his population.

And in terms of fighting his own population, if by his own population you mean the would be oligarchs in the Soviet bureaucracy who precisely did try to abuse their power toward the end of corruption.

That is the people that Stalin fought. That's who he purged. He didn't fight and purge ordinary people.

He fought the ones that were trying to terrorize them, actually.

So I disagree that there's...

Stalin had nearly a million of his own citizens executed beginning in the 1930s.

How can you...

You're referring to the Great Purges, are you not?

I may. I don't know the name of it.

So whatever...

So it's an exaggerated figure, but you're aware that almost everyone caught up in the Great Purges was already in a position of power and they were corrupt people abusing their power and that's who Stalin got rid of you're aware of that right? I believe that when you kill a million people it is extremely likely that you will commit acts of non undue

process in the in doing so millions more fell victim to forced labor

deportation famine massacres force labor is an interesting word so would you describe

forced labor as the

predominant reality in the US because the prison per capita population of the

United States of America is higher than any point under Stalin in the

Soviet Union right now and we all know that penal labor is not something unheard of in the

U.S. correctional facilities. So we play around with words to demonize the

Soviets in the Stalin era a lot, but the reality is, given the circumstances

in the conditions, I don't see evidence of any corruption.

You could say it was exceptionally harsh, but harsh circumstances require harsh decision-making.

It's easy for us to sit and look and say, oh, how brutal and how harsh, but we're not faced with those circumstances and when we were

we were not ourselves foreign to methods of brutality and ruthlessness on a

much grander scale than we can say for the Soviets we had slavery we had chattel

slavery we had chattel slavery. We had the colonization. I mean, there is no

position with which we could judge the harshness of the Soviet Union when in fact it was

much more humane than what gave rise to our comfortable modern societies today.

So I disagree.

I don't think that the Soviet Union was an example of due process and to make the

moral equivalence by comparing them to people who have been found guilty of

crimes in the US is absolutely ridiculous in my view.

I wouldn't have wanted to undergo criminal proceedings in 1930 under Stalin.

So you're talking about two different things.

There is the penal camp system which was for rapists, for murderers, for criminals and

thugs.

And mind you, they existed in the early days of the chaos of the Soviet Union on a widespread scale.

So they exist in the US, they also existed there.

Criminals were a thing, right?

And they had very limited resources

and how do you deal with the question of criminals?

Well, they could have just killed them all, but they didn't.

So they tried to reform them through labor. Now second thing is you're talking about is the great

purges where people in prominent positions of power were subjected to harsh harsh

penalties some of them were sent in prison some of them were killed and shot for treason.

But ask yourself the following question, a decade earlier you're invaded by every single country on earth.

Every single major power on earth invades the early Soviet Union.

You have a snake's den of traders and treasonous scum circulating

the government, Trotskyists and all manner of these people.

How would you have disposed of them?

How would you have dealt with them?

I mean, whether you think it's unlikely that there were so many traders and so many people

corrupt and abusing their power or whether you think that there were but there

wasn't enough due process how do you deal with this phenomena in this problem I

don't think we're in a position to judge. It's a harsh circumstance requires a harsh response. Certainly not by arbitrary killing.

And in 1932 and 1933 millions of Ukrainians were killed in the Holodomor, a man-made famine engineered by the Soviet government of Joseph Stalin.

So the Holodomor is a phrase that was used by Ukrainian Nazis to describe what was just a famine that the Soviet Union experienced which was by no means

intentional and which was the result of the rapid and sudden modernization of

agriculture. Mind you the sudden and rapid modernization of agriculture in

any context would lead to a severe disruption of the food supply and thereby lead to mass

starvation. It happened in almost all the colonies Britain had where there were

sources of major extraction of resources. We had the Bengal famine resulted in a few

million millions of death over the decades in the centuries.

You had the Irish potato famine which killed way more per capita per population

than the Soviet Union and China.

The history of industrialization and modernization is an ugly one.

Only in the West, all of the consequences of this

industrialization were offloaded onto colonies in foreign countries.

Whereas the Soviet Union and China had to actually in an independent way modernize

their agriculture. Now they made mistakes as anyone would

under the pressure of having to so rapidly do this and why do they have to

rapidly do it? Because they needed to industrialize because these capitalist

powers, these imperialist powers were planning on invading them again. Stalin said, we have 10 years to catch up or they bury us.

1941, what happens? Operation Barbosa, the Nazis invade.

So they had to do this.

It was a harsh, again, harsh circumstance required a harsh response.

Was the famine a big mistake? Was it a form of

mismanagement? Sure. Sure. But it wasn't intentional. That's the

important thing. That year was a drought, by the way. There was a huge drought

that year. The harvest was not good and by the way this was the last major

famines in the history of Russia in general besides the war, besides the war

consequence. This parent is this with you asking me can you find me an

example of Stalin failing of Stalin going corrupt. Well here's one example.

That's not corruption. It doesn't have to be intentional. Corruption can be

That is neither corrupt nor can Stalin be laid the blame.

Okay let's call it mismanagement. My problem with communism is

mismanagement that kills millions of people. As far as I know there weren't

millions of people dying from this revolution in the US? Yes there were. When the lead in order for the revolution in the U.S.

to have been possible there had to have been millions of the indigenous people

who died and moreover is not is not slavery comparable as the cross me? That's the key.

Yeah.

The indigenous had to be fought as an external force to the American society.

But the American society didn't crumble under mismanagement of its farms.

When new farm apparatus showed up.

Sure, sure.

But there's a few things.

The US had a century to modernize its agriculture and its industry.

And moreover, with foreign aid and investment that propelled it, British loans, I mean, US industrialized on the and These are the advantages of not being under siege by every major world power because you're

defying the bankers.

The Soviet Union flipped off the oligarchical banker elites that rule the world, and so they

decided to lay siege on it from every corner and put them in such a desperate and intense situation.

Ideally speaking, there should have not been any kind of famine, but it was the pressure

by the foreign predatory powers that wanted to plunder Soviet resources and lay ruin to them that made them have to do it so rapidly.

And when you have to do it so rapidly, there's going to be mistakes. That's not a result of

corruption, that's a result of the circumstances.

This understanding of history is like the guy who beats his wife and then says well she provoked it and so I had

to do it foreign powers should not be able to put you in a state of instability such that you end up killing your own people

through mismanagement. I will say that the theory that has has been displaying

here is not accepted at all. In fact it's Wikipedia levels of agreement around the fact that, yes, it was an intentionally

caused famine.

I don't particularly care about this case, but what is presenting here is an absolutely

out of the left field theory of the all- Okay, let's talk about responsibility.

Annually, there are 3.1 million children under five

who die because of starvation.

That's annually, okay?

That's just children under five.

I didn't mention all the other people.

Is that, who's responsible for that for the mismanagement of that?

The Irish potato famine, I mentioned that. The countless famines under the history of capitalism and colonialism, the countless famines that happened under the history of the Russian Empire that everyone seems to conveniently ignore.

Where's the responsibility? See that's the great thing about capitalism.

In a capitalist system when there's a famine and all these people starve, no one's responsible.

It's just nature, it's just the natural forces of the market.

So you can't blame the. So you can't blame the

system, you can't blame the ideal. But when this happens very suddenly and

rapidly and then is immediately corrected and never happens again in a communist

state, somehow this is this is the result of Stalin being corrupt or himself

mismanaging the truth is when you're responsible for your common reality and

your common affairs you take the blame for the mistakes that you make and

that wasn't just Stalin who made these decisions it wasn't him who made the decision to, for example, not report. And by the way, all these people were purged that were running Ukraine at the time who were not properly reporting the situation on the ground. They were all purged and removed. These are precisely people who were

victims during the Great Purge, right? And they were killed at them too?

They killed the people who were actually responsible for the mismanagement of the famine, absolutely.

And then, but let me ask you a question. We have a fentanyl crisis in the United States. for the drug opioids and getting the American people addicted to these drugs nothing.

There's no consequence.

There's absolutely no consequence.

We don't hold anyone responsible and we don't say this is a fault of capitalism.

We say that this is just the reality.

There are currently, there are currently open court cases about this.

So in capitalism nothing keeps you from punishing people for crimes.

And what do you think that punishment's going to amount to?

I don't know what will the Cyclers' family pay. There are already... it's family

family pay. There are already already big amounts that were attributed in

damages in this so there will be more so this is the result of the

Sackler family and not the capitalist system as a whole?

Well, it depends. I mean, no, it's not that it depends because you're saying...

Let me tell you.

The fentanyl crisis is a combined effect of capitalism in a system that allows its corruption through state and

terrorists, through reimbursement of medication.

So I'm willing to take full responsibility for the real reality of communism.

But it seems like you're not willing to take responsibility for the reality of capitalism.

Where do we find the ideal capitalism that you would be willing to defend?

The ideal capitalism has never been implemented, but I would say something like early America

without slavery could qualify as what I'm looking for.

But there was no such thing. There was no such thing. There's no early America

didn't exist. Without slavery it had slavery. Well okay remove

slavery and no you you can't you can't you can't pick and choose

the variables that's like me saying that's like seeing me saying oh communism but

without all the harshness and without a family.

Early Canada. Early Canada.

Early what was going on in early Canada. There was nothing. How was that an ideal?

Exactly. Yeah. What was ideal?

There was nothing going on.

What was so big government a month. So just an empty forest. Colonizers added by a common

religion who were building a nation. But you realize a lot of these early American settlers

because Canada was then considered part of the Americas, you realize that they

built societies that were communist and communal in nature, right? They weren't free enterprise

capitalists who were just implementing some kind of a system of entrepreneur, you know, individual

entrepreneurship. Those were a kind of

communists they were all sharing the resources and attending to the common

affairs

that is uh... a historical

communism has never been the system in canada except if you want to call the current government

you're not talking about a system in Canada you're talking about settlers

setting up villages and kind of just settling in Canada why I'm here to tell you they

didn't really have a capital system and he wasn't living on their communism. He had these little businesses.

There were, you know, grocery stores, mechanic, mechanic shops, and yes it was capitalism.

What year is this? What year is this? Well my grandfather himself must be

between 1920 and 1940, 1950. That's not early Canada and and by the way in early

we're talking about early Canada slavery wasn't even a ballast in Canada until 1834 so I don't there's there's no ideal or any early Canada, slavery wasn't even a ballast in Canada until 1834.

So I don't, there's no ideal early Canada.

The 1920s, by that time, the global banksters completely control Canada.

I mean, it's a complete colony.

So, absolutely, if you know the history of... If you go in a village of Canada in the 1920s you

will see commerce being alive free market hold on that's you will see that's that's a

village if you go to a coal coz under Stalin there were coal coz markets that you could say were

free markets that's one village you could say were free markets.

That's one village.

You have to take responsibility for the entire country, not just one small isolated village.

And the bigger picture that we do see in Canada as a whole is far from an ideal capitalism you

described.

By the 1920ss capitalism was run by

monopoly cartels and banksters it wasn't a free market country. No. No

no, people's existence was could be made independent of these cartels

which could exist in some but that's a hypothetical that's a hypothetical scenario we have never

No, it's not an hypothetical scenario. It's the Canada that my grandfather lived the Canada your grandfather lived in was controlled by British led monopoly capital it It wasn't a free market.

No, the existence of my grandfather

and his farm was absolutely independent of these of these

cartels.

I don't know that he ever suffered from any of these cartels

and that he was ever

there's plenty of people entertaining business. But there's plenty of people hold on just

because your grandfather did not experience the effects of the system in a

negative way doesn't mean that system was a free market capitalist system

ideally as you'd say there's people today who don't experience the negative

effects of the system we have that doesn't make it an ideal capitalism

the thing is you're trying to make a point that I don't even disagree with if

there were systems in the past I've said that these systems were not per

capitalism and you're trying to make me say that they are not per capital.

I'm just saying I'm I understood but but I'm not

system is per communistic either a lot of these systems that you would call communism have let some sort of local free market to exist, some sort of local accumulation of wealth, and so no system is per.

But I'm just trying to say that. I'm not come here making that claim.

I think the issue is that for me, communism is an ideal that's what I'm trying to say for you

capitalism isn't ideal for me communism means something a lot more concrete and real which is

yeah I mean all communism is an ideal it is an an idea because you have to make up, you have to make up narratives that are completely contrary to what historians have established considering the all of them.

Would you say, even, even in your alternate narrative where it's a mismanagement.

So hold on, you agree that you agree with me.

You agree with me.

You agree with me that oligarchical banks are in control.

They control the money supply and they control the public institutions they control the universities and the

academies and you're trying to say there is no possibility whatsoever that

these people could have lied about Soviet history? I think that they could

have lied but you should make the demonstration I don't think you've made the demonstration that they've lied.

They absolutely have lied. There is no evidence whatsoever, not an iota of evidence that there was any intentional famine in Ukraine.

Again, I don't care about the intentional aspect. I care about the fact that millions of people died from what you call, what you admitted here is a mismanagement by a communist administration.

I don't know that there is any sort of mismanagement in a capitalist society that has led to as much.

No, no, it's led to even include the COVID, Vex.

Listen, just in the past year, it's led to way more deaths just of children under the age of five.

It's just that we don't call it mismanagement because there's no manager to take responsibility for it

Nobody's actually holding the banksters like the the world bank and the IMF

3.1 million children under the age of five. That's on Planet Third? Yes. Okay and you attribute and

that includes countries of Africa? Yes. And you consider that countries of Africa are capitalistic. So this is where your magic trick

doesn't work. How are they not? They're not because capitalism is not a system in which tribal

violence dominates every aspects of your life. So I don't know if you're aware that all capitalism refers to.

All capitalism means is a system predicated on capital accumulation.

MCM, MCM making more money, investing the money in commodities and making more money.

Money is blind.

Money doesn't care if you're starving.

Money doesn't care if you're starving money doesn't care if you're

a prostitute selling your vagina for money they don't capital doesn't care about any

of that what capitalism cares about is more money being created that's it profit

okay so importantly in a free market and when you have a

actually that's not true that's not true capitalism capital the only reason there's

markets under capitalism is because of money but actually the tendency of

capitalism is the destruction of free markets. Adam Smith actually wrote about

this himself because capitalism couldn't overcome the issue of rent and landed rent

which all of the free market advocates at the time thought would actually allow for free

markets to be able to exist and never happened because rents are a part of

capitalism. That's the issue. Unproductive rents are a fundamental part of capitalism. Why? Because

they contribute to capital accumulation. Making more just for the sake of more. Money for the sake of money.

Again, that's completely blind to the basic human

common realities we have and we seek to attend to. And look, advocates of capitalism say that

only inadvertently capitalism supports the common good of the people, but everyone agrees that the common good

should be in command the issue is that in capitalism that's not the case there's no

such thing as a common good the only common good is money money moreover which has

gotten to such a ridiculous level of abstraction.

That's not even based in a commodity anymore.

It's based on nonsense printing of the Federal Reserve from thin air.

I'm going to hop in real quick, if I may, sorry, Jeff.

This debate is fantastic fantastic it's going great

awesome everyone's loving it the chat is here for it we're like 450 people

watching this great I just want to give a quick call to action for everyone who hasn't hit that

like button or subscribed and keep the chat going it's really really nice you two are respecting

each other greatly however I'm starting to notice just a little bit infrared if you

would please allow jF to finish a sentence.

No problem.

Yeah, my bad.

JF, you make sure.

All right.

Everything you just heard from us is absolute devigation on a parallel definition of capitalism

that no one uses that is absolute

hallucinations of as who's continuing his magic trick of relabeling everything and

suddenly Stalin is great the Halladomor didn't happen or it was unintentional, oops, a few million people dying, and capitalism

can happen in sub-Saharan Africa with child soldiers having a gun at your head.

Capitalism here a definition from IMF.org. Capitalism is often taught off as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interest and demand and supply freely sets prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interest of society.

So InfraRad is working with parallel definitions that he uses to slime himself away from his obligation to address the problems of

communism in this debate and he mischaracterizes sub-Saharan African countries as

capitalist so that he can include their death count in the capitalistic

all other more which has never happened.

By the way, I just want to make a few points.

Even if I discounted every single death that happens in African countries,

I just have to look at a cursory glance of the history of capitalism in Europe

and you'll find you have similar deaths and the incipients of the

modernization and industrialization but let's put that aside for a second

because you're saying that I'm not using the correct definition of

capitalism but all I'm referring to is the reality of capitalism I'm not referring to an ideal definition

created by the IMF. That would be akin to just saying all communism is is what

a Twitter communists say it is instead of the reality. That would be ridiculous,

right? So the IMF is a capitalist institution. Of course they're going to forward an ideal

description of what capitalism is.

But the truth is, all capitalism means is a system-based and producing money for money's own sake.

And all those things you mentioned in Africa of child soldiers, all these tribal conflicts. If you actually pay attention to read

behind the lines, what do you have? You have multinational corporations and development

banks like the IMF issuing out predatory loans so that private interest can come, plunder their resources,

own them privately, as privately,

and leave the population destitute and poor to the point where they can't even feed themselves

because they don't even own the land that they stand on.

So that's the reality of capitalism.

It's not ideal, and by the way, I'm not I'm not saying oh oops you know what else there is and

I didn't interrupt you so don't interrupt me

You also said that I'm saying oh oops a few million people die in the hold or more

You want to move to another subject I would like to I sorry that I am not

JF I didn't interrupt you I there was an intervention by the moderator for no interruptions

there was no there was no this one there was no interruption

no no it's not I have to address the things not, I have to address the things you said.

I have to address the things you said.

I am not trying to under, under represent or somehow belittle the horrific significance

of the famine that happened in Ukraine.

I'm not trying to say, oh, it was a horrific, horrible disaster. of the saying that we can be sure that horrible horrible tragedies aren't going to happen in the future.

All I'm trying to talk about is where does the responsibility lie?

I'm not trying to say that, oh, oopsies, it was just a mistake.

I'm trying to say that for the first time,

you can have a society own up and be accountable for the mistakes that are made by it.

Just like how we are also responsible for 3 million deaths per year of children under 5 that die,

a society that has a famine is responsible for that famine and you know what?

That's better than having a famine and not being responsible and just saying that it was

nature that did it or was just you we need to be responsible for every

shortcoming in our society. I want us to feel responsible for every single person who has died because of fentanyl and all. I want us to feel responsible for every single person who has died because of fentanyl.

I want us to feel responsible for every single young person in this country who doesn't

have a future and decides to kill themselves because they're completely isolated socially and they have no sense of purpose.

I want us to feel responsible in this country for people evicted from their homes that get

bankrupted by banks.

Yes, we are responsible.

That is our system that's responsible for that.

It didn't just fall out of the sky. So I'm not trying to say

hello to more or the famine in Ukraine was nothing or meaningless or was just a little small

mistake. Reality's fucking harsh and bad shit happens but guess what? You have to actually pay attention to why that is and

instead of just saying oh bad shit's been happening man and nobody's been

taking responsibility.

What the infrared has been doing right here is he will come with something that's erroneous and then he will flood it with one minute

speech that is populist in nature but that means nothing. It's all blah blah and

it's all meant to to cover with dust and dirt the error that he's committed to start with that he

didn't want to call me out immediately. So that's a problem and I would hope

that the moderator here can intervene when Haas gets into telling a lie and then getting away with it because he gets to speak for two minutes after this.

It's really useless for the audience and we're losing everyone's time.

And for all you attribute, you've decided that Africa was capitalistic because there's money there. But you know what else? There is in Africa a bunch of people who will commit violence, who will violate the freedom of others, who will kill people, and who will do so exactly on the basis of the

interest that you came to defend today the people and for each of these

African Republic where some tribe has killed another you'll find names like the

people's Republic of this, the People's Republic

of that, and that is exactly what your system leads to. Call it mismanagement if you'd like.

It's a system of death, of human elimination, and of whoever survives at the end gets to corrupt the

system in the way they want. So if you want Africa, if you want the people's

Republic of infrared, vote communism, if you'd like a system that changes its leader that rotates across the most talented people to drive innovation, choose capitalism. That's my conclusion because this guy I can't anymore. I'm willing to handle the super chats if you'd like.

But just one small question I'm not going to ramble as you're saying I am.

Who owns the natural resources in Africa?

Is it the... I know they call themselves maybe a People's Republic, but who owns their minds and their farmland and their basic resources?

Is it multinational foreign private corporations or is it actually owned by the state or publicly?

Just a small question.

It is sometimes owned by the very people who call themselves the representative of the

interest of the people.

So what's an example of that?

The People's Republic of Congo doing traffic in mines of all kinds.

You're saying the state owns the mines there?

The people who are participant to the state use their state power to enforce the ownership

of mines and resources. So who owns it? I don't know companies,

individuals, local dictators. So that's communism? Yeah, communism leads to a class of

property accumulators in its elite that benefit from the strong

arm of the communist central authority that you had for.

So when foreign companies hire thugs to come and protect their assets and bribe them with money to do so by the way as well.

You're saying that the private ownership of mines is communist as long as a government is

being hired by capitalist oligarchs to defend the property.

I'm saying that appealing to a central attorney... capitalist oligarchs to defend the property?

I'm saying that appealing to a central authority and giving it power,

whether you call it communism or not, is what you want to do

and is what leads to death on this planet in reality.

So you're saying it's possible for capitalism to exist without a central authority to enforce

the ownership by a tiny blood-sucking minority over the Commonwealth of the entire people?

You're saying they don't need a government to enforce that?

I believe that the monarchy can exist a minimalist government that seeks only to apply to the respect of ownership and law the minimal non-aggression of others but this government must remain small.

Okay where does that exist?

I've given you models.

The early Canada early US early Canada were examples of small government that applied the...

Those were Menarchies?

They were not perfect Menarchies. I would like a Menarchy to go a little further than this personally.

So where does that exist?

Well, again, I've given you the best examples I know of early North America is early European

conquest that North America is what I have in mind.

So slavery? No, I don't stand for slavery. So I don't think that the U.S. could be, I think that you could have an early U.S. equivalent without slavery. I think it's a myth's amid this idea that early America's boom was due to slavery. I don't think it was that much.

So how would you have gotten rid of slavery without using the government?

By giving a salary to the slaves who want to continue working freely.

So you're saying there wasn't a single slave owner who was smart enough to do that with the

view that I would have maximized as profits?

See, see this is why I'm done with this discussion.

I'm just asking you. You're just ramming me. No, no, no, I'm just saying you. No ramen me no no I'm just saying you're in the no but you're in this

mood of oh so you're saying so you're saying I'm just saying what they've done to Jordan

Peterson you're trying to to do like this like this female host that did to Jordan Peterson so what you're saying is I know

speak for yourself speak for yourself I do you think what I'm saying I've already

given my answers I'm done personally I'm just asking how you would have gotten rid of

slavery and and a

And I said I would pay the slaves now what now what's your next question so would that

have removed slavery on a systemic level because how are you going to ensure every

other slave owner acts as you do I'm presuming you're a slave owner in this scenario

no I'm talking. I'm presuming you're a slave owner in this scenario.

No, I'm talking about, I'm not talking about the single slave owner paying its slaves.

I'm talking about at the society level.

Yeah, what would be their incentive to do that? Make a law, make a law, that's using the government pay slaves so that by force for using the

minarki by force using the minarki I have no problem with the use of force to

apply the law so but but so it's communism when the government uses force to defend private ownership of foreign private

ownership of mines in the Congo, but it's not somehow communism for the government to use force to make

these slave owners spend their money in ways that they might not want to.

As you do so to protect someone from aggression I have no problem with violence.

I have no problem with self-defense for example it's not a problem but the people who do

this in the Congo to control mines they are not doing

this in self-defense they are doing this to control mines but but the argument

could be made by the owners of those mines that they're defending their right to own

the mines which they bought forgive me Our open discussion time, essentially, has ended.

However, you both clearly have so much more you want to say.

So how you guys feel about, I give you both three minutes each right now to summarize your positions and then we'll go into super chat.

If you want I'm in for the super chats right now because I'm done answering these

a never-ending questions that don't lead to anything really.

All right, that's a fair point.

You're okay with that then forever, just go to SuperChats?

Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that.

All right, then let's let's do that.

Okay. All right. So yeah, if you guys haven't got a super chat in, feel free to get one in now. We've got a bunch already in cue and I'm going to start reading away. So first from Samar Row for 499 says, ha's opening statement hits on the despair a lot of young people feel

rightly or wrongly both debaters what is the best way to combat

doomerism you know it might sound like a cliche but I would just say you're not in it alone

whatever doomer feeling you're having everyone else is feeling that way too and

it's just a matter of who's better at disguising it or not but I would say you're not alone and I would say this is a common reality we have.

And that should relieve a burden from you. Don't just think this is this is something you're

experiencing. This is something going on in the world, you know, and I hope that at least helps at least a little bit,

relieving the burden of, you know, the Dumorism.

I don't know what Dumorism means exactly. There's various reasons why you could be

depressed, but I would say just, just be thankful to be alive and if you're alive today

you still have a shot at reproducing you still have a shot at building your life and if you're in a

capitalist nation you still have a shot at building wealth, which is amazing.

All right, thank you.

Fact Jr. sends $5, but I wasn't hip with their super chat.

So I'll acknowledge their super chat, but we won't be saying what he said which gives us right to our next one which is

Mustafa Jav 499 did you guys know beforehand that Juby posted a group debate on the same topic

No we had decided this debate about four days did a group debate on the same topic?

No, we had decided this debate about four days ago, so I don't think we've heard about this. I think Eddie from Midwestern Marks was there.

If that's the one you're referring to.

Shout out Eddie, you know.

Thank you slow.

I don't think you know.

We need to be limited to one channel doing a debate on a similar topic either.

I think it's a good discussion to have overall.

Our next super chat from Ozantox, five5, why did you say everything the government does is communism, JF.

How is that owning the means of production?

Well because government is one of the attempts at implementing communism really,

implementing the power of the people that infrared has been describing in his intro.

Now it's true that government isn't necessarily thought of as communism and it's true that also government

has some role to preserve the state of right in a capitalist nation but it remains the case

that people like infrared will talk about the interest of the people until they

are asked to delineate how are you going to do this?

How are the interest of the people going to be enforced onto a central authority?

And the only thing that we know of that looks like the interest of the people that's an attempt at

capturing it is government and it fails miserably. So infrared because Jeff did

mention you I'll allow you to respond but when the question is directed as a

particular person I like them to have a final word so I'll let him finish.

Yeah I would say I don't think you can create a system of government that is going to be impervious to the

possibility of corruption of government you can't have government account for I don't believe in that. I think there always needs to be an

external pressure that you can't account for beforehand, that you can't calculate in your system,

and that's what actually gives us human freedom to determine our own fate as a people, right? You need to have this element of the

possibility that, yeah, people might rise up and overthrow the government. People might rise

up and not fall in line. There might be chaos and lack of stability. There's no,

we're not robots, we're not animals to be domesticated. So there's a certain point where government does not have power and government can't account for that. So again, you need to have a tradition of popular sovereignty of people being able to exercise authority and actually allow leaders to rise among them to

rep organically. I'm not saying a system for this, right? That gives voice to their concerns

and their problems. And you know what? It could be a good outcome, it could be a good outcome could be a bad

outcome you can't design it beforehand that's like saying we don't have free will we

have free will it we could be good or we could be bad but we're not

going to be we don't have any chance of being good

when our system is designed to only care about profit

and not take into account the very simple reality

of people's existence

i'm not saying communism i would

yeah i would like to have to have the

final word on this question and then we'll get to...

And Farad said something very key here.

He said, I don't think you can design a government system that is impervious to corruption.

And so therefore, what is the answer?

The government must be the smallest possible so that the opportunity

for corruption is being minimized.

I agree it should be the smallest possible, yeah. I mean I don't necessarily just agree.

That's not JF having the final word, but I guess you agree, so it's okay.

Yeah.

All right, moving on.

So CE-5, this question is for you, infrared.

What do you think about the Song-Bun system and the Human Rights situation in North Korea?

First of all, I think this notion of human rights where you can apply one standard of

what that means to every single civilization culture, first of all is nonsense.

Second of all the

truth is we know very little about North Korea and a lot of the things that are

reported out from it have time and time again been proven to be nonsense and

BS. So I just don't buy it. I don't buy that nor there's a huge crisis of of oppression in

North Korea and so on. You know there's that woman what's her name? She's pretty

famous. What is her name again? I've I really for she's when I don't know

information then then that woman.

Yeah yeah I forgot her name but it really epitomizes the proper yeah

Yenme Park that was her name she really epitomizes the kind of

bullshit propaganda industry against North Korea and if you don't know who she

has look her up and she's been proven to be a huge liar and exaggerates for money so

you know I would say we don't let's not make assumptions about North Korea

until we actually know what's going on. That's what I would say.

All right. Our next super chat from Samar Rio 999.

J.F. How will you keep your capitalist system from turning tyrannical? What keeps the Elon Musk's from hiring soldiers to ensure or retain his power once he has the money to do so.

Quite simple. There is still a state of law enforced by a minimal state and so Elon Musk

cannot overpower you through violence, force,

extortion of any kind or threat. And so if he was to buy soldiers, he would simply

be found to lose all his wealth and his moves to be illegal and he would end up in jail.

So I'm not talking here about the system that has no law.

I'm talking about the system that has a law, but it's a lot that's minimal.

It's not a law that seeks to redistribute and manage the economy.

It's a lot that simply makes sure that everyone concerns to what's going on and the free market can operate.

Awesome, thank you. Our next question, Oseum Talks, another five dollars.

Who should Americans select as potis out of anyone who is currently living and why?

What if it comes down to just Biden versus Trump?

So this question is not directed anyone specific.

So whoever would like to answer first,

I'll give you guys both the chance to answer.

Between Biden and Trump, um, Trump, you know, between them both.

It's not a great decision you'd have to make, but I'm not even saying you should vote or I'm going to vote. I'm just saying if I had to, probably Trump. And I'm not going to go into the reasons. As far as someone who's living right now who should be president, I think Jackson, Jackson-H, should be president, you know? So that's my take, but, you know.

I will go for Trump and for anyone, perhaps mask with the trump as a side runner

or ill and mask with Tucker Carlson as a side runner

interesting all right thank you so much

our next question is from Ethan Osborne five dollars

Hasbula step into the lumping lounge with me bro, it's launching soon.

I'll be honest I didn't really know what this meant. I hope it's friendly. I think it's probably referring to a podcast or something.

If you have any inquiries and you want to just send me a DM on Twitter and

we'll see if it can happen, you know. All right I wasn't sure when I read this I was like this better not be insulting to no it sounds like it sounds like a like a

YouTube show or something I don't know yeah awesome

next Sunflower remember for two years and sends $10 infrared.

Is it communism state more prone to decay

than a capitalist one?

Even if we have crony capitalism,

don't you think crony capitalism will always emerge

and persist due to human nature?

No, I completely disagree.

You know, capitalism hasn't been around for the majority of human beings being around.

We had feudalism, we had slave society, ancient Greece and Rome.

You know, I would say is communism more prone to decay?

Well that depends.

It depends on the people of a communist country.

And there's a degree of collective responsibility there.

You know, that's what to me, that's what free will and being a human being means.

It doesn't mean everything

just gonna work out by itself but to be honest I mean there's corruption in

China today for example there's no doubt about that right but do they let their

corruption get to the point

those guys get completely removed and thrown out

and it China's not perfect not at all but I think they manage it a lot better than we do

so that's an example you know

I feel jiff that you really wanted to respond to that.

I'll allow it if you want, but information...

No, no, no, no.

I was reacting visually to the regular chat.

Okay.

Go ahead.

All right.

Uh, so I only got a few more superch chats here left that I didn't get time to add to my

handy little screen there. So first Ethan Osborne sends two dollars in support of

infrared. I'll just say that.

C. E. 5 of infrared. I'll just say that. Thanks.

C. E. 5 dollars infrared.

Do you see a role for military intervention ever to stop

a thrusts, apologies for this word,

atrocities and human rights abuse by other nations?

Atrocities might be what that word was.

It depends on the historical connection you have to those countries, specifically a

geographically and civilizationally speaking.

So generally speaking, no. I don't believe in the use of military

force to enforce any kind of human rights, but I do think a form of regional responsibility

could exist. For example, what's going on in Gaza, I think it is incumbent upon the regional forces and actors to intervene there because

this is their civilization and this is their region.

If something horrible was going on in Canada, you know, I think there's an argument to be made that maybe

maybe there could be grounds for the American people to come and put an end to

the the chaos and the nonsense I don't know but generally speaking no it just depends on

the context not universally definitely not all right in our last super chat of the night is for JF from Samar Rio again our big

super chatter of the night 999 JF has argued before that humans can cultivate

Queen sterile worker reproductive models Is communism the analog for the

theoretical human queen worker system? What's wrong with that in principle, JF?

It is an analog loosely.

Communism with a central authority will lead to a queen of control of

sterile workers, yes. And to a certain extent it might be a real one in the sense

that the real workers could be really sterilized. If there was for example a communist dictator that veers toward medical fascism.

But I don't think it's a valid true analogy that works in principle, simply because in communism you still have the workers able to breed.

And if they are not to the point of being interfered with their reproduction, if we're not talking

about the medical fascism system, they can still breed, and therefore it's not like a colony. It's more like a

symbiotic tree in which microbes are just invading and living off the tree. It's a system

with competition, predation, parasitism, and it's much more complex than a queen colony.

All right, thank you so much.

So yeah, thank you gentlemen so much.

This has been an interesting debate.

I know myself I'm going to have to go back and re-watch this three or four times

before I fully understand every idea that was shared here. If you're watching this post-live event,

make sure you add in the comments down below what you guys think about our debater's positions and share your ideas.

JF, any given day, where can people find you? JFG tonight, you can check out at JFG. world, you'll see all my links, I'm live every day

on Odyssey.

Awesome, and infrared, if someone was looking for you to open dialogue where might they go?

So right now I'm on kick.com slash infrared you can also find me at infrared show

YouTube dot com slash infrared show and then finally you can find me at my Twitter,

which is Twitter.com slash InfraHaz.

So those are three places.

Awesome.

Amazing.

Thank you so much for hanging out with us tonight.

Thank you.

Thanks to the audience for you guys coming out.

It was a great time.

Anyone who wants to dive deeper into this topic, Matters Now is hosting an after show

immediately after I shut things down here, so hopefully we'll see some of you guys over there have a great night and

thanks everyone for coming out thank you see you later All right. Okay, guys, how did you think? What did you think? What did you think,

what did you think, guys? What did you think? That was the debate. I think at the beginning I was a little bit

trying to get my words out right and then I think by you know I think by

by the first third I just started rolling through right in the beginning it It was a little hard you know one of the

reasons I was kind of a little bit a little bit confusing in the beginning.

Yo Jesus motorcycle let's go one of the reasons why in the beginning I was a little bit

not being very clear is because I'm writing about the

rise of palace authority and the rise of these immense centralized systems and these kings of

Babylon and Egypt and so on and so on and how this was kind of proto-communistic and I'm writing I'm reading about that and I'm

writing about it so it's honestly something that's been on my mind and when I'm

talking about the mystical connection between the leader and the people I know I use words that confuse a lot of people sometimes, but I think I got out my

points pretty well. You know, in the beginning at least, you know. But, uh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, guys, how did you think I fucking did?

Yo! Sleepersell! Let's go!

And guys, let's celebrate the fact that this is an early stream.

And I'm not even ending the stream just yet, so we're gonna stick around for a little

but guys it's an early stream let's celebrate it let's celebrate the debate let's

celebrate an early fucking stream let's go I wasn't really able to work a lot today

to be honest because I was on d dD.'s geopolitics back to back.

Jam packed with content.

All right? Don't tell me I'm not giving you content this month.

Jam packed with content.

We're on D.D.'s podcast.

Went on, uh, we had this debate just now, had early stream streamed about seven you know I mean

So shit is going on all take on let's go

That's what we're talking about as we're talking about let the splendors and let the wealth flow you know I mean this is this is let let

the tribute flow where goddamn Pharaoh right now the King of Babylon we got a potlatch what it called potlatch not a potlatch, what it called potlatch? Not a potlatch was horrible. They used to sacrifice people in them.

Pacific Northwest tribes fishermen would do potlaches where they would just sacrifice slaves.

Really bad stuff, fishermen. Anyway guys, but maybe I'm thinking of being a

fisherman right now. You guys going to stop me? Because in these potlaches, these Pacific

Northwest fishermen, YOLFOLATES, what the fuck! 50! Holy shit!

Or as, you guys are making me a fisherman right now, what the fuck?

Are... What the fuck? Chris Morlock, holy shit!

It's getting fishy in here. Holy fuck. We are really getting fishy now. You know these

Pacific Northwest tribes that have the pot latch where they'd have all the wealth and the fish

fish and the fish and oil oils and they all get fat and

spread it around.

Gary, let's go!

And they would sacrifice life was really bad.

I really disapprove these fishermen.

But it's like this is a pot latch right now, right now.

It's just it's all, the wealth is flowing.

Blackpack, let's go!

You guys are making me feel like a fucking Pharaoh adorned in gold jewels

and like, you're making me feel like Xerxes from 300.

Let the well flow.

Nah, I'm kidding. That guy was fucking weird.

Um, that guy was, that guy was super weird.

Yo, lion now, let's go.

Hall in it.

Oh, we're not fishermen, I'm just kidding guys.

We're crabbing it up, all right?

It's crabbing it up.

And all, you can't wear gold in Islam, remember that. You can't wear gold in Islam. That's an important point to remember. You cannot wear gold in Islam. Remember that. Very important point. Got a hammer at home. In Islam, you wear gold, you know, but with that being said

I think it was a really good debate and I think it was a lot of fun. Watch the Jubilee Eddie video.

Astrale, let's go.

There is something I wanted to show you guys, actually.

Um...

Yo, CO2, holy fuck!

Holy fuck!

Holy shit the wealth is spreading.

This is incredible.

It's like we're moving mountains.

But there is something I think I wanted to show you guys in particular

that I wanted to cover. Let me see if I can find it.

We might watch the Jubilee video with Eddie.

Yo, we're rocking in the free world, let's go, we are truly in the free world, by the way.

We are truly in the free world.

So guys, when it comes to the huthoothes i don't think there is a new

update

on hoothes and what's going on in yaman i think we're s the u s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s And I think, okay, Hezbollah posted a video showing the operation December 16th.

That was yesterday.

We're going to check this out.

But yeah.

Uh, let me, uh, let me get this rolling. Because we are rolling, you know, let's check this out.

Pretty good debate, huh, guys? Pretty good content. Let's check this out.

Pretty good debate, huh guys? Pretty good content.

You know with the right wing I'm usually a lot more tame and I'm, you know, this time I just my patience is thin, you know, my patience is thin. I'm not, I going to be completely dis- I'm not going to be disrespectful. Yo, God gifted, let's go. See, Haas, I'm not going to be disrespectful to people, but what I am going to do is stand my ground. I'm going to stand my ground, especially when I know like there's all these people that

judge me and shit like fuck everybody you know what I mean I'm a stand my

ground I'm gonna act like a Babylonian king you know what I mean I'm gonna stand

my ground I'm a stand on business right Anyway, God gifted, let's go. Anyway, this is a Hezbollah release video about

operations from yesterday. I presume this video was released today. Y Yankee Tanky! Tanky!

Update on the book.

I need to purchase it since I've been...

Thank you Camilo and Telsonsi.

Yankee, I appreciate you so much for the 20.

How are you doing, man?

If that's Yankee, I don't know.

Could I could swear that's Yankee, Tanky.

But the update is that you have to trust me that it's worth it, Okay? The weight is going to be worth it and I'm not going to give you

I don't want to jinx it to tell you when I'm going to finish it. I just I'll just tell you that

It's been delayed a little

front because it was supposed to be done last week, but for good reason.

That's what I'm trying to tell you.

I'm really making sure it's really good, you know, adding stuff that I didn't think I was

going to add before.

Yo, Light of the Moon, I don't think I've fully solved. To give you an update on the

fishing question and and what's going on there, I think I think a small lead I have is it's the nature of naval warfare that is what makes

fishermen so fishy and I really think it's about naval warfare because I'll tell you why the Phoenicians were not very much a warring society they

they weren't really caught up in a lot of wars and naval battles was mainly the peaceful

spread of trade and I'm not so it's not that fishermen become very brutal,

because when you have a land war,

when the war comes to an end, there has to be a new order,

right?

Whereas fishing wars can be extremely, I would

imagine extremely brutal because they don't have to attend to the aftermath of a new

order of things and it's a lot easier to take slaves to put them on boats. If you're in a

nomadic society carrying slaves around is not too easy right and

sedentary agricultural societies you have to integrate the slaves into a very

cyclical kind of social order, which is not very easy.

So I'm getting the impression that it's about naval warfare,

but I'm not fully settled, but I have to actually solve the fishing question before I finish

but I'm making progress is what I mean to say

Australia Defender let's go

Michael Hudson, wow.

But I just want to say you're a real nie.

Thank you, Michael Hudson, I appreciate you.

And shout out Michael Hudson, who's going to be a guy that's going to be pretty prominently

figured in my bibliography.

Let's just say that. I'm going to see. The first one.

The only thing.

The

The

The The The The Oh, This reminds me the game we played.

me the game we played.

Poor son Al-Xa, that reminds me that game. Oh, I'm not.

I'm going to. Okay guys we have some updates on Yemen as it turns out we actually do do have updates. I'm going to show you this

one. So update on the US aircraft carrier Eisenhower, they've arrived at the Gulf of

Aidan and they're now in striking position. It's believed to be close to the Somali coast and is currently

avoiding entering Yemenis territorial waters. They're not entering Yemen's

territorial waters because they're fucking scared and they should be. Not because they can't destroy Yemen.

No, it's because politically they can't.

There's nothing they can do without starting a new war,

without promoting a regional war.

They're just chilling on the Somali coast where it's safe. They're not going near Yemen's territorial waters and

you know it's like a bay of pigs moment who's gonna blink.

This does not bode well the last time major empires tried to go to war with the Arabs over the Suez Canal didn't work out really well. The last time major empires tried to go to war with the Arabs

over the Suez Canal didn't work out really well for them and the empires

collapsed. The Arab-Suez Canal crisis with Nasser and that was the like

the marking point the turning point of the destruction of the

European colonial empires and it seems like this is happening for the US as well.

You know.

So all eyes on that and we're waiting.

The US, let me show you this other news, US has sent three more destroyers to the

Mediterranean Sea which could be heading for the Red Sea. This rather indicates

that the USA is preparing for a war with Yemen.

Could be. Could very well be.

But you can't fight a war everywhere at once.

Okay, so the U.S. announces a plan to combat the Hothis.

Let's see.

He will announce the launch of expanded naval force that

includes Arab countries to combat the Hothi attacks. Some officials believe

it has secured the involvement of Jordan, the UAE Saudi Arabia, Qatar,

Oma, Egypt, and Bahrain,

it seems that the oil platforms in Saudi Arabia

will definitely burn.

Yep, that's what it seems like to me.

It seems like everyone's gonna burn.

Imagine Iran, Iran can burn all the Gulf states oil,

they can set the Persian Gulf on fire.

You want it to burn? Let it. That's how much power and how much cards the people of

Yemen are holding you know?

The U.S. will announce the coalition called Operation Prosperity Guardian. They, the Hothies have said they have said, they've declared that they are ready

to fight this most honorable battle in history with 2 million troops and the destruction

of Western ships and their bases in the region.

Let's fucking go!

Let's fucking go!

Let's fucking go!

This is what the leaders of Yemen are saying.

Look what they are saying.

Look what they're saying. Look what they're saying.

Look what they're saying. Altaq.

Halqhahunis to Uyghur.

What is the same thing is about the halof fat had the a and I'm t to call so I'll be sure there what ima-rat

la haglunft

while a al-haglah

what a al-haglagat

was an estad of kunusufunifn

and that it's tungulnfth

was shi-da-naudnfah yahhahhah Yeah! Oh, man!

Oh, man!

Oh man, this guy's a badass!

This guy's a badass!

Holy shit!

You know what?

Yeah, I'm gonna say it.

Putin is not as cool as these guys. He's not.

Yeah, I'm gonna say it.

Putin's a moderate.

Now, Zayuginov, maybe Kedirov would be as cool as this, but Putin ain't.

I'm gonna be real. I'm a call like how I see it. Right now in the world, nobody

has bigger balls than the hoothes in Yemen. Nobody in the world right now. They have the biggest

balls in the entire world, all right?

And they got my respect, deep respect, you know, and

I can't say that about every leader. I'm not saying I don't respect Putin, I'm just saying.

I'm just saying, you know, the Yemenis talk to talk. They don't just walk the walk, they

talk to talk, all right? They talk to talk. This is the biggest badass in the world right now,

all right?

And they don't care.

They don't, they, the US is scared of them because they don't care.

Not because they're, they're technologically superior. They're not.

Obviously, they're not.

But that doesn't fucking matter.

20% of the world's container traffic has been U.S. starts striking Yemen.

They also said they're gonna destroy all their ships, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Let's go, Ray Pete.

Go Ray Pete.

Unleish the forces of production in your cells.

Eat more fruits, coconut oil, and drink coffee.

You know what Ray, you know what, Ray, you know what, Ray,'m not going to dis him, but I looked him up.

I did look him up. He's a great guy by the way. He's a licentious. I'm not even going to say this.

But he doesn't look bad at all. He looks great. But he doesn't have my physique. How do I keep my physique?

All right?

Because I can't, I can't be, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with how he looks, there isn't, he looks great. But for those of us who want to maintain a more muscular physique,

how do we do that according to that diet? I it's an open I'm not saying it's not

pop I'm just saying it's a it's an oh it's like um what do I say it's a curious

question serious question like it's not I'm not it's not question.

Serious question, like it's not, it's not a rhetorical question. I'm not, it's not a rhetorical question.

I'm actually interested.

And has it proven to work, right?

So that's my only skepticism, but I don't know.

I'm not saying I believe one way or the other

but he is a bass licentious great guy oh he is dead. I'll say that you know but oh he is dead.

All right rest in peace straight up rest in peace So. You're not going down. I mean it's always been going down but shit is going down all right? I don't know why Serbia is

It's about it's about

Shit is going down I don't know why Serbia is trending

Hope it's about sports. It's about elections. I don't know why Serbia is trending.

Hope it's about sports. Oh, it's about elections. I don't give a fuck.

Yo, Altay, let's go. Down with the Pacific salmon worshippers, long live the Sioux Step nomads.

Yeah, let's guess what I'm talking about.

That's actually legit. That's actually real.

Like that's actually legit.

I'm serious about that. That ain't a joke. That ain't a joke. Anyway, um, Jubilee. Let's check out that that um, we're probably not gonna watch the whole thing because it's like an hour. Does communism empower women?

Uh-oh.

We'll watch it.

We'll watch it. You know the one argument that uh...

capitalist make,

Yo amila let's go.

Google the three sisters growing method.

Lysenko eternally exonerated.

Facts.

Is there like the biggest thing that empowered women is the vacuum cleaner?

Which, I know it's superficial, but there is like kind of something to that the dishwasher the

vacuum cleaner like there's something to that yeah it shows the importance of technology

I'm not saying it those things are the product of capitalism because they're really not but I'm saying

that's a good argument. I'm not

gonna lie. Yo anonymous what's up?

Ask just a few more mouths sounds and lips max I'm about to bust.

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Anyway, is my Mike too much guys? Is my Mike too much?

That ain't my community. Fuck no that's not my community. Is my mic picking up like

like my breathing and shit too much? Okay.

All right for sure.

Are you you wanted to make your point, let me make it back.

And then you're going to try to say it's too spicy for me.

No, I got you.

Like, let me respond to you.

It is not capitalism coming in and enshrining enslavement.

And in fact, capitalism is what got rid of it

and started pushing back against the

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probably like picks up when I'm like probably picks up my congestion and shit in my nose and stuff

which is pretty disgusting like that if you guys can hear me like eating and

shit and like that's pretty gross I don't want I don't want my Mike to be

picking up everything

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Oh so it's not just about women. Great. Oh, this is cool. I thought this was the whole topic. It's only like part of it.

Yeah, like the whole thing, does communism empower women? I don't know what that means. I don't like this idea that

women's empowerment is just like them yelling a lot. That's what I don't like. But I also

agree that degenerated societies lead to excessive forms of unnatural and unfair treatment of women.

What do I mean by that?

I don't mean that men and women have different roles.

They've always had different roles.

I mean that there starts to be

widespread abuse, negligence, and disregard for the well-being of women on a scale of

society and I definitely think that's a feature of a degenerated society?

I think it would be a lot better for all the people who are working jobs that are not, I guess. Who is this?

What, who is this?

Basically.

So I make content, which means that I work a lot of hours and I don't pay it the same amount as a soft

dev so I think it would create more creativity in certain like creative industries

artists if you make a bigger pie that really is this a twitch streamer who is this

I feel like they would already be famous to be invited on this right? It's a bigger slice.

I think one of the main misconceptions about communism is that it's just making everybody equally poor

when Marx and Engels wrote repeatedly

that the first step under communism is increasing the productive forces.

In the US, over 80% of our population is living paycheck to paycheck.

If you provide people's basic needs, if you invest in economic growth and in jobs and in infrastructure rather than investing in endless war and

massacring Muslim people in Gaza you're gonna make this country a lot stronger you're gonna make the people a lot more stable here

I grew up in a white ring area.

I grew up in Denver, Colorado, was born in Dallas, Texas.

I'm the first in Iraq.

Rocky Mountains, let's go, Rocky Mountains.

And my family, everybody's from the Congo.

If my family is able to come here,

of course, it would have some capitalist connection.

So I grew up very much with

the idea that everything I need is under capitalism, individualism, freedom, all these things are

under capitalism. But I'm black in America. So those contradictions really just create that

friction where I'm like, this doesn't align with what I was told and what I'm actually seeing or actually feeling.

So why did I come to communism?

When I actually read it, when I went from Marx to Lenin, to Mao, to Dang to Fred Hampton,

I started realizing, oh, this is is patriotism this is the idea that.

Y, oh!

What's going on?

What is this is an infrared guy?

1,000% this is an infrared dude 1,000%

am I wrong for giving that away?

Look at another American and think to myself,

I want you to be fed, I want you to feel fulfilling your life,

I want you to feel like you actually have control within your society.

Honestly, as somebody again who grew up in that right-wing area, that flies over everybody.

Or maybe that's just the Rocky Mountain effect, you know?

Are walking quick on this one.

Can I say, can I say something first all this one to be so bold?

Here's my argument. How come every communist that country has to build a wall

I don't like this shit like I don't like this I'd

JF was doing this too I don't like this idea that a capitalist is just an

ideologist like no a capitalist is someone who's got capital motherfucker like

you're a capitalist and nobody is really any it's such an outdated so you could say venture capitalist maybe

But this is not a description of your ideology this is a description of like how you

Make a living you know

Or offense to keep people in like it makes it seem like this guy's rich and he's not.

Oh, I'm a capitalist.

Then where's your money?

And then letting people out.

My grandma, I remember going.

Oh, God, his guy.

We got a tether. Gonna be talking about their family was personally, nobody gives a fuck.

You fled your homeland like a coward, shut the fuck up, no one cares.

But where did you come?

There's not a mass immigration into Venezuela, into China, into Russia.

Where do people want to go?

You know why I fucking hate these people?

Because they're trying to apply the free market.

This is the most disgusting thing right

wingers do is they treat countries like consumer choices. Oh I chose to

emigrate to this country because you are a fucking devoid of honor the fuck is wrong with you.

You're like they're globe trotters. Straight up globe trotters. That's the problem

with capitalism. No sense of fundamental attachment and loyalty to the soil that you were born on.

You know? That's Thai Lopez. Who the fuck is that?

Switzerland, America, Sweden, they're all talking about we need to build a wall because people are coming.

China's not going, well we better build a wall because all those Americans are coming across.

Nobody's going there.

So you legally cannot become Chinese.

I went into Toronto school growing up, and every single non-Asian or anyone else that's

like American or Canadian that's gone to China has never wanted to come back to the U.S.

That's something that's really interesting.

So I think it's like if you've never been...

That's an adverse selection, a group of people who are already...

Like I guess like whoever has the open mind to go visit usually doesn't want to come back.

And I do live streaming so I know a lot of live streamers who like permanently move over to

the like Asia especially China because not just it's cheaper it's also just higher benefits.

Most people get like free health care so it's a lot's also just higher benefits most people get like free health

care so it's a lot easier for you to survive there I think it's not because people

don't want to go it's also because you're taught propagandous in a young age

China's bad evil red dragon so people don't go and don't even go see it that's the problem

I would definitely argue that a lot of China's success is due to the introduction of

free markets but if we want to run at this idea that China's a

socialist country which is just fundamentally untrue I could also just point

to yeah I mean you got it you got to love the stupid ass arguments. So China's not socialist, but free health

care would be socialist if we had it. Not only that, no,, okay China is not socialist but Obamacare is full

communism. You notice the stupid ass argument right we were

making they're like oh China's not socialists but oh Obamacare that's full

communism that's literally full Paul Pot. It's like,

bra, super inconsistent.

The fact that they're super low in the HDI, their GDP per capita.

Like 60% of the entire economy is owned by the state. That's not socialism. That's the free market. Why? Because it's

successful. But it is like 12,000 dollars. The US GDP per capita is 70,000 dollars.

So like I would say in terms of like economic success we're definitely doing way better.

Ty. In terms of how we see immigration into this country, of course we're American,

we're only going to see the American viewpoints of this.

China has immigration.

People do try to cross the China's border all the time.

We're all humans.

Everybody's doing the same thing around the world.

I would say what you're saying is a perspective issue. I would love to...

I would say it's unnatural for people to have to immigrate. Why are people having to

immigrate? Well because we underdeveloped those those countries we give them predatory loans

we use our military force and imperialism

to make sure they can't elect

developmentalist regimes

that can actually develop those countries so we can

plunder the

not only plunder their resources but make sure nobody can exploit the

resources and keep everyone in poverty so why do people come and move to the

US symbol because we fuck their countries up that's the better

question that's the better answer you should you should say you know

break it down even more and talk to you about the massive amounts of CIA missions

that have gone through so there you go yeah that's that's good America to destabilize

those countries but just at that point to what you were saying judging a country by how much the

wealthy people in their country profit under no shot this guy here in my garage

just bought this new Lamborghini here fun to drive up here in the Hollywood, but you know what I like a lot more than

materialistic things? Knowledge. In fact, I'm a lot more proud of these seven new bookshelves that I had to get

Oh, that's... He looks a little different here, but all right.

Your company, we both know what GDP means.

Of course.

It's a bad faith way to really explain your country.

Yeah.

Break down into human development index.

So it's measured by things like health, income.

It's the UN standard for like how well an economy is doing.

So from that point, perfect, health care, we rank 37.

You know why I will never get invited to shit like this?

Because I would act like a fisherman. I would act like a fisherman I would act like a

Fisher King and then Pacific Northwest I would sit down my legs man spreading

acting like I'm the leader of the tribe circle I didn't say you could talk I'd be controlling and dominating the whole thing.

This is why communism is good. What'd you say?

Actually you're wrong. I would like be I'll be like taking over the whole thing the

tribal chief that's why they don't invite me you know seven in the United States

Cuba brings a few God Oh God. Hold on.

Hold on. Now, tell this guy wearing glasses.

He thinks what?

He would feel on...

I'm not even saying I'd be like that.

I wouldn't be like that.

I'm just saying naturally, just because of how I talk.

I don't treat people with disrespect. I'm not saying that's what I do but

This dude would feel like a little bit uncomfortable kind of like oh that's the authority

I don't want to disagree with him

And when they do disagree with me they have to be angry about it.

See like with JF I didn't insult JF I'm not gonna disrespect I didn't saw him but

he was getting a little angry just because of how I am naturally right and it's like

when you want to challenge the chief you have to do it you have to be angry because you're like why the chief like this because I'm the chief you know I'm saying

Anyway, let's continue. I really want to engage with the number one've been number one and number two in the hover through those spots.

Cuba.

According to the Commonwealth Fund and the way, Cuba, Cuba is 83 on the H.T.

They use their doctors like slaves because 90% of the profit goes to the state.

They literally traffics are doctors.

The doctors get very little.

The doctors opened up a program to let Cuban doctors escape

because they were trafficking them and making them go do these PR

campaigns and other countries.

I wish she was a little bit more fine than this.

This is kind of giving me lumer vibes. This is going to

me lumer vibes, not gonna lie.

The countries give health care. 7,000 people immediately came to the U.S.

At one meeting, two doctors passed notes to other doctors they were on a hospital set

with and said, yeah, this is what everyone, everyone you know what this is why we need to

destroy women's empowerment this is true women's empowerment a yelling woman

you know what's crazy I just figured something out.

I appreciate the emotional...

You see this girl right here?

Why is this girl? I can't find her.

Next to him.

Okay, see this girl? Why is she way more feminine than this Banchi?

Why is that? Why are right wing women so...

And then the leftist girl is like super quiet and super feminine and not screaming or raising their voice trying to be eloquent.

You ever notice that shit? Never ever get with some bitches like this never do that

wait wait Cuba Cuba is 83 on the H.T. I they use their doctors like that dude is like

he's like dunking and he's like Cuba is 83 on it he's like a DJ he's like he's like getting it in

he's getting the point it you know it was because 90% of the profit goes to the state

he also thought that was funny for some reason. I don't know why.

A program to let Q.

Health Care doctors, they were on a hospital set with and said,

Dude, compare the degree of femininity between this rambunctious banchi.

Is that the real, is that what rambunctious means rambunctious

Yeah, this rambunctious banchi compare it this rambunctious banchi to this to this girl right next to

on the other team. That's just crazy! I appreciate the emotional

example. It's not emotional. You can talk to the noblower. This is the annoying

conservative girl in school who yelled about Obama all the time. Just like Laura

Loomer with her microphone.

I don't know what Barack Obama, Barack Hussein Obama

is doing in our country.

And Obama was horrible, not defending Obama,

but they would do it from like the Mitt Romney perspective.

Like Barack Hussein Obama is a terrorist and he is supporting Iran, he hates our biggest ally

Israel and oh my God, shut up.

Your sovereignty organization that works to get health care professionals out of there.

The masses person in this room.

I would hope you would finish my point.

Then they don't answer.

I got you.

Well, I've been told that fear, fear, fear, fear, fear is happening in Cuba.

They're doing the scooper super

super scary thing with Cuba which is great I would love facts so I'm giving you

back in terms of doctors fleeing the country and also about how they're

have a ration how is it's supposed to be antibiotics in their hospital

yeah we've got them under an embargo

obviously that way this has nothing. That's not true.

That's been improvement by multiple studies.

Eddie is bitch slapping both of them at once.

They're trying to do 2 v 1.

He's still winning because he knows his shit because he's debated these Tiktockers all the time. Here during COVID, Cuba made their own COVID vaccine because the U.S.

Pharmaceutical Company used intellectual property laws to prevent them from making this,

using our vaccine recipe.

So they created their own, but they couldn't get syringes into the country because of the embargo.

How are you supposed to get metal when you're on a tiny island country and you're surrounded by the US military?

Boom!

He just fucking knocked them out.

And you can't get any trade in or ask you a few questions. How far back to you?

I think the embargo is affecting Cuba.

How long back do I think the embargo

probably since it's been put on?

But I think when we look at it.

No, no, no, no, let me respond.

Real quick, real quick. In 1960, the USSR became the largest trading partner with Cuba.

They started paying more for Cuba's sugar.

They started buying all of Cuba sugars and paying more than the United States was paying.

Fidel Castro's on record saying that the embargo had no effect on Cuba at all.

So we can presume that up in-

Yeah, when the USSR was still around, sure.

Until 1991 when the USSR collapsed that it didn't have an effect. So to claim that the

embargo is affecting Cuba... That's also not necessarily true, but relatively speaking, 1960 it didn't have an effect

because of the state Cuba was in at the time most Cubans were dirt poor already

so yeah and in terms of the level of development they were at it probably didn't make a

difference and I think when we look at the...

Can I make a point because this is a point I want to make for a long time.

When we look at countries like Cuba and...

Is anti-Vax or anti-Vax mandate at least?

I don't know, but I don't know. I don't know. I'm anti-vax mandate at least. I don't know but I don't know. I'm anti-vax mandate and I'm anti-vax when it comes to

MRAs. I'm anti-m-rna's. Am I against vaccines in general? Mm-mm-mm I'm not educated enough, but here's the thing. I'm not prepared to say

I'm gonna have kids and have them not take the meet, you know, the smallpox

vaccine shot. Like I don't know dude I had it so if I turned out fine they will too.

I'm autistic I don't know let's see in China I think it's more important to judge

them based on what they had before the revolution before Cuba had had a revolution, nobody had access to health care.

They were working on slave plantations that were dominated by Western multinational corporations.

China before the revolution, yes, there were famines during the era of Mao.

There were far more famines before Mao came to power and before China was able to

industrialize.

This guy is getting a little nervous.

He's getting, dude, look how Eddie, look at Eddie's posture.

Eddie is wide posturing, this guy's narrow posturing. Alpha Beta.

That's the dynamic.

The Alpha Beta dynamic is at play.

You can see it.

This guy's kind of nervous.

He's getting inwards, inwards.

Eddie's going outwards, outwards.

That's what you see going on.

And get to the point today, where they're now one of the most powerful countries on earth.

In the 1950s, the US was already industrialized.

China had to do that.

They were a semi-futal country in extreme poverty.

And in just 70 plus years, they've become this economic superpower.

That is through central economic planning and, yes, allowing some of those private markets in. this economic I am straight up misogynistic toward women like this.

Yeah, if this was a man, misogynistic toward women like this.

Straight up.

Like I, I, yeah, yeah, if this was a man being this obnoxious, it wouldn't bother me as much.

It's like, damn bitch, shut up.

Yeah, it is a double standard. I don't get a fuck. She's annoying as fuck.

I'll use, they can make people come over there and work far cheaper, have their companies there,

and then we buy their products cheaper.

We are propping up China's economy and we've been really stupid with our own policies when it comes

to that.

And also we are constantly hamstringing ourselves because our government keeps regulating our economy

more, getting more involved, tying its hands so that they are outpacing us.

Plus all the money we're spending on war instead of actually letting people keep their taxes and

invest in more things.

So they are playing us right now.

The U.S.

Am I insulting her for no reason?

It's been really foolish.

She just said they don't want to spend it on war.

All right, maybe she's all right.

This communism works.

They were starving.

Well, let's look at exactly what they did.

Let's look at exactly what they did when they opened up trade.

They opened up special economic...

Oh, look how she's staring at him. This dude's getting

cucked. The woman wants the Chad, not the beta. Look how she stared him and

how he's like, I don't like this fella, he's ruining my prospects. This is some red pill analysis shit.

Look at the beta is staring at the chad. She's staring into his eyes.

You can see the dynamic at play.

Like zones where multinational corporations could come in but they

look how he uses his hands to control the atmosphere great work

were only allowed to do things as long as it's in line with the party and as long as

it's in line with the government's central plans I mean to say that China is just

capital is full stop or that all

their successes come from.

Submission she just submitted to him. She just submitted to him. She just submitted to

him.

I'm saying that they were starving before capital them started. They were starving

under feudalism.

The Hannah and Cam come in here with the guns.

They got the fire.

They know they're ready for this.

I love how the Lamborghini guy doesn't say shit.

He's wee.

When you say we?

I'm in right here in front of a Lambo.

When I don't have a Lambo, I ain't got much to say.

So I'm just gonna sit down here and just just be here for this.

Who's in this we? Because we did this, because we did that.

Who's this, who's this metaphorical we?

Because the US government is not a capitalist government and we have to be strict about

term. Oh!

This here. Capitalism is a...

It's just utopian socialism.

Some in an economy. The government can either uphold capitalism or they...

I thought she was going to be more like a

like right wing intern for like uh... what's that guy's name?

Ted Cruz or like one of these GOP politicians but it seems like she's just a utopian

socialists which I don't hate them no no I ain't got no hatred I just don't like

shills across the board whether liberal shells or their right-wing

shells can impede it our government is constantly impeding it. So when the government

comes in and tells you you can trade with this person, you can't trade with that person,

that is the government, which is weeks, we have a representative government doing that.

Is that something I as a capitalist want to see them doing?

No, I don't. But we are American citizens and so they are supposed to be representing our

interest. If we're going to talk about what we're doing as a country, yes, like that is a huge

part of it. And I also want to go back to communism because when you talk about some of these

countries that people often call Democratic socialist countries, they

rank higher.

On the Economic Freedom Index than we do.

That means they are more capitalist in their economy than we are.

And so I just want to make sure we're defined in terms because communism is the centralized

control and ownership of production.

I'm sorry, but this is my point I'm trying to make.

Like we have to talk about actual systems that are communists if we're going to the basis.

What if I was there and I did that?

What if I was sitting there and you...

It feels is very demeaning.

I'm hearing things called socialism that aren't.

But the prompt is communism.

I guess like in terms of communism and capitalism.

They would think I had a disability.

They'd be like this this unkempt bearded crazy guy.

We don't want to say anything because he seems disabled.

Both are ideal states that don't fully work by themselves.

Look how feminine she is.

That's crazy.

The feminist is always way more feminine.

Capitalism is more pessimistic versus communism more optimistic.

In an ideal state, if everyone actually...

By the way, this is how all women should talk everywhere

tard and they wanted to contribute to a society to make it better I think

communism would work like like try to keep the voice down as much as

possible even like beyond reason like try to keep it down just try to

keep it down try to diffuse try to diffuse be diffusive

not aggressive I think you guys are well in tension.

But you could tell you to teach them though.

Giving people government aid makes them lazy.

This guy's like,

I would I would sit down to.

Getting government aid makes you lazy.

A great example of that is Elon Musk.

The amount of government aid...

That's so funny.

The X Foundation gets...

Who is this guy? He's so smart. The X Foundation gets... Who is this guy?

He's so smart.

In order to...

Is he like an influencer?

You inventions that don't work.

How often did you hear about that tunnel?

You know how much are just one example of many different CEOs,

multi corporations who get government

aid to be able to do these things just because why is this guy always looks so

sketchy he's never chilling he's always like got an agenda of the network

yeah I agree with you on this I hate hate corporate welfare. I think it's the biggest

perversion of capitalism out there. Submission. The woman submits. Doesn't work.

It's track record. Their women got conquered. That's the truth. It's terrible. And it actually is the government coming in and picking winners and

it very rarely goes in favor of small businesses which is what most business in the

US actually is owned by it but the way it makes people lazy is not necessarily

I'm putting it in like Neanderthal tribal terms like this is one the capitalist tribe and the

communist tribe and like all the dynamics are at play. In reality these people

don't even know each other.

A bad people because you have fiscal cliffs.

You get this amount of welfare if you make under $24,000 a year.

You make $25,000 a year, your benefits drop off.

So it actually disincentivizes people from moving up, working harder, taking on more jobs.

It's a terrible structure I completely

agree that from a perspective of it creates animosity if there was a system

saying that you couldn't use a certain government aid program that you're already

paying taxes to just because you make

this amount, wouldn't you have animosity for those people below you?

Cliffs are, I think, more so specifically referencing like situations where people are

taking in welfare and it compensates for their like lack of income and then they get a promotion or

something and they lose the welfare and they're worse off than they were before they

lost the welfare and prior to the promotion. You build that state dependency and it

de-incentivizes people to like work up the corporate ladder in their companies because they're receiving

aid from the government. I think also we have to say what makes people work hard not

just what makes people lazy because I think that's a problem you look at government

welfare is it is essentially keeping people trapped it keeps them trapped in

cycles of poverty. We actually saw

before the great welfare deal under LBJ was pushed through. We had a larger rate of

people coming out of poverty and moving up in this country and then when we

implemented these programs that has stagnated ever since. And we can see that that hasn't worked.

Sorry, just help me out here real quick.

So when you say it doesn't work, what didn't work?

We have not seen a decrease in the rate of people

who are in poverty.

And part of this is based on the education system, part of this is based on the education system part of this is

based on different because of LPG yes these programs that came in the welfare I

don't know this because of it I think it stagnated work that was being done

for me as something who works in public policy that's what I'm interested in. What works?

There are cases where I think people are incentivized to work less hard in order to keep their

income under a certain level so they can collect a certain amount of government money, which

in that specific case then yes I guess it does incentivize laziness,

but also if you look at government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, they're some of the

most highly approved of programs in the country.

And when you make a welfare program universal, when you make it so it applies to everybody it

basically becomes politically invincible because nobody is going to argue for

their grandma's health care to be taken away and we have a problem in this

country where 45,000 people are dying every single year because they

don't have access to basic health insurance.

And I think if we were to nip that in the bud and nationalize those giant pharmaceutical companies

and make sure that health care is provided to everyone, we would actually stimulate a lot of

innovation, a lot of labor, and a lot of hard work in this country because people would be less bogged down by medical bills and would be more healthy in general.

So without a market, if those are if those the pharmaceutical industry specifically is nationalized how does the state set prices effectively. Um...

Uh, according to supply and according to the actual cost of production.

According to the cost of the production and reproduction of the enterprise,

first of all, pharmaceuticals should be run as a business but state-owned, state-owned enterprise. So you set prices on the basis of the cost,

the cost of production. And that what is necessary to expand and develop, I mean, it's pretty simple. Before you get into that point, did you want to say something?

Yes, there you go.

I was going to add, I guess like I lived in China for eight years and ten years in the US,

so I have like the divide between the two.

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guys are turning me into a Fisher King.

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Waugh, plunder! I guess in China generally speaking it's really safe. Thank you so much Smoldley I appreciate you man.

There's a lot more equality in certain areas.

In terms of like support from the government it is easier to get health care 100% and also I think

certain societies use communism well and it can be used well to create I guess more equality.

I think capitalism ultimately creates inequality.

So one thing I was going to say you have to be careful there's an old saying we went out of the fire into the frying pan

The question is under what system do you not get the guys at the top becoming super wealthy because Stalin and Mao's he dung

These people become Chavez okay Castro this man is no angel the question becomes

which one dampens are greed in a what he just mentioned a bunch of people's

names this guy this guy doesn't know he's talking go back to making Lamborghini videos, do it?

He's like, well, it's like, what about Stalin and Mao becoming wealthy?

What wealth?

Stalin literally owned like one pair of shoes, a pipe, and like two outfits, and he slept on a cot. And he made

everyone eat porridge. And Khrushchev the fat ass complained about it.

Did you know that? Did you know on Khrushchev's memoirs? He was like throughout

the 30s Stalin made every when we all ate together all of us including him just ate like some like

shitty porridge and no other food was allowed because he was like if we were going to eat as

everyone eats and Cruz soft complained and Cruz was like thank God we got rid of

Stalin now we can have a lot of better food way Way that benefit the most people.

I don't even think it should be that.

It should be which system is more effective at distributing resources

and helping people in their outcomes.

And China has abolished poverty and we have rampant poverty.

China hasn't abolished poverty.

Yes, they haven't.

There's 300,000 homeless people in time.

I don't think this is true. They're not homeless.

Are they homeless or are they just living away from their homes for an extended period for work.

I don't think there's 300K homeless people in China at all.

I don't even think China has any homeless, to be honest.

I think the only homeless in China, it's not tolerated, it's straight up, not tolerated.

They don't, it's illegal to be homeless pretty much, like everyone has somewhere to go, you know?

Like yeah, there's probably some homeless street, street riffraff somewhere and obviously there is but it's like

there it's not you're not allowed to be is what I'm saying they'll send you home if you're if you're

living on the streets in China they'll come and tell you to fucking go back home to where you came from

lack of ties to society.

Yeah, yeah, that's the sociological thing.

He said that you abolished poverty.

They did, Google it, the World Bank wrote a full article on

National Center of Biological Technology information.

When China was pure communist,

45 million people starved to death eating bark and dirt and leaves.

And it's hard to know is it doing...

I love this depiction of like an acute small period of crisis was the whole thing.

Yeah they're just eating bark the whole time and leaves that was communist China.

Being better all the things you like. That's like saying the Dust Bowl is what America is right now.

Yeah, the Dust Bowl, everyone's just fucking homeless, wandering around the planes, you know.

Sure, that's from the communist side, the Mausi dung side, or that from the capitalist side.

I would argue it's definitely the market side.

I also just want to push back on one.

Yeah, China was starving until Deng Xiaoping came.

That's what he's trying to say.

It's just such a stupid thing to say.

And I would say, that's a lie.

That ain't true. Dude you know what the problem is JF is right in one regard.

99% of people are fucking retards who can't understand

that China had a famine which it corrected and then after that no one was starving right

but the fact that they had a famine once means it was the whole thing for like 99%

of retard retarded people right so like when you say this oh yeah deng is the only reason they don't

starve is because like you couldn't possibly explain no they had all their

basic needs met the reason deng saoping opened up is because they needed

technology they didn't have technology right Even that is too complicated of a

of a chain of thought and reasoning for 99% of people who are literally so

retarded. They don't understand. Strelle defender, what's up? True, poor a Gen Vee. Like 99% of people are too retarded. If anyone

brings this up you should just straight up deny it and be like yeah that's not true.

Not true. Just like get on the level of most retards. They just say like, oh, everyone's starved in China.

Then I would say if everyone was starving in China, how did their population increase?

You know?

Are we still going to stick with the China thing because I just want to say?

There's so many points here. We need to.

It's crazy to hear somebody say China safer though and like you can literally be disappeared from the streets

like even your celebrities famous tennis players.

The FBI.

People they are... China is not extreme enough.

China is a very like normal country.

It's like it's not what any of these people say like,

oh they disappear you from the streets and even shut up.

Like China's afraid of itself. They're too afraid to be as based as they can be, you know?

Like, she's in-ping is super-based, but like, honestly, a lot of people like who run stuff in China are like liberals.

Not a lot, but like, you know what I mean?

Like people who run some, a lot of institutions, they're like, they're very, they don't really have like a fiercely

partisan worldview about anything. But we are not incarcerating Julian Assange right now. We are trying to extract him here for trial. We're supposed to.

I'm supposed to.

I'm supposed to.

And I've spoken out with I actually work with his brother on the campaign

to get him free.

But what I'm saying is we don't have political prisoners in the US.

We don't.

Who are they?

Yeah, we do. Who are they?

We assassinated.

We assassinated.

Who have we assassinated?

Jilio Monteke-

Fred Hampton was in jail for seven years.

The government did that?

I'm fine with this.

I did.

Yeah, the FBI did.

The FBI did. Well the FBI. I detest the most policing

agency. That's the government. He's I've done a ton of work on criminal justice

reform. That's fun. I thought I was the capitalist. I loved the FBI. I would love the FBI.

Literally the vanguard of Catholicism 100 cents.

Oh, this girls pro Israel, all right, fuck her.

What's that?

But not literally, because...

The armed bodies of the state that protects the dictatorship of capital, because ultimately, ultimately I mean 90% plus of

elections are decided by the candidate who raises the most money. The FBI is an

armed body of the state. You recognize that right? Yes well you can say

it's not real capitalism but capitalism has a tendency to accumulate

all capital

economic system you can right in economic system that concentrates wealth and

power at the top that incentivizes capitalist to a

so this is the chief telling the woman to shut up I'm not just. I'm not trying to get Eddie, make Eddie look

bad. I'm saying this is the alpha putting the less intelligent person in their place.

Like capital monopolized the markets and this is simply the stage of capitalism that we exist in.

When Iran tried to send oil tankers to Venezuela, the U.S. intercepted them with our military,

took them back to Texas, and then gave that oil to U.S. corporations.

How is that freak?

Look at the fascination with which she stares.

Prayed.

How is that?

He's worried.

Her loyalties are starting to become divided.

At the free market and embargo.

Alright, this guy needs to shut up.

Yeah, again, I don't have to defend the US.

Thai Lopez is destroying the entire thing.

Just by being there.

I would actually argue the US government is a huge deal

So he's a force of destruction.

You know, he's like... We don don't and I wanted to find my view

real fast because I think it matters this is more my like political view the

first is just my economic views but I would say the only reason you need a

government at all are for three things under capitalism and that is to uphold contracts you need a court system

you do have to have a policing system so that people cannot harm other people's

property or their person and you need a national defense system now what the US

has has gone so far beyond that we should have a a defense. It should only be a government

entity. You shouldn't have private companies coming in and profiting off of it and it

should be on guard to protect us if there's an existential threat, not waging

war against other countries, not getting involved in all this interventionism

we've been doing since Vietnam completely opposed to that

but to sit here and say that that's capitalism that's the government actually

attacking capitalism that's coming in and perverting our economic system using our

own tax dollars against us to do it.

Communism has caused more suffering than capitalism has.

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Women are more empowered in a communist society.

There's a really good book on this called Why Women Have Better. You want any money to go first?

No, no, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Oh, he's got 200 K on Tik-T on Tik-T no way.

No way.

As a man.

Nice.

I'll be quick. There's a really good book by Christian Godsy, who is a woman called

Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism and other arguments for economic independence

where she's very critical of the USSR and the former Soviet countries

but she says when women have economic independence that equals true freedom freedom to leave an abusive

relationship which under capitalism a lot of women are forced to stay in those relationships because of

financial dependence on their husband. Women are discriminated against in the

free market system because they have babies. Women can get pregnant. So if you're a

boss, who are you more likely to hire a good worker who's a woman who might get

pregnant for nine months and have to go on maternity leave or a man who's not

going to get pregnant it's just a natural biological advantage to men in

the free market so if you provide economic independence for women if you if you

meet their their needs that in turn equals freedom.

I read the same exact book.

The idea that only demand be able to get all the funds revenue for the family unit

the idea that it's one job not only to work as well but they also take care of the family at home.

You know why this is based?

Because only the men speak.

I can't think a better example.

Nuclear fan was really forced onto Americans.

Like they had posts for it everywhere.

Like, how's that freedom?

So let's say the US had one billion people.

How would you do to limit population?

This is the prime example, how would they do it?

I don't think they'll do it any different than the one child policy.

Like let's be realistic.

If you gave the US a million people what are they going to do?

They'd probably just let them starve. But in China, they're like we got arrested. realistic if you gave the US a million people what are they going to do they

they'd probably just let them starve but in China they got arrest we got

going to make sure we feed everybody yeah circumstance were slightly different they

had to make choices might not have been the best choices but if given the

same circumstance in the US maybe they would have done something similar.

Communism in China was truly communism in the beginning.

So let's look at the beginning.

So my mom was really young during that time, but at least she saw what women were

empowered to do.

At the time, yes, they took all resources and pulled it together and divided it equally but women were truly equal in the beginning of China and cultural revolution

Women have the same rights as men they did the same jobs as men because more labor the better right so everyone had the same roles same job

Speaking of Wikipedia I got to talk to you guys about something,

because something is starting to glow.

And there was true equality.

Wikipedia has purged every single Pro Jackson contributor,

and it's an order from the highest authority of

Wikipedia so the feds basically did it the feds are preventing anyone from

uh... changing Jackson's wiki to be more accurate and i'll show you it in a sec

until capitalism it's such a fucking PSYOP.

Just you have to realize Wikipedia is a fucking PSYOP dude and it's so methodical.

But I'll show you in a sec.

The capital's got introduced.

Now in China, there's no equality.

I truly think because more freedom more trade so in the

beginning when there was no corruption it worked perfectly and everyone was

equal I think we have a tendency to to boil down to disregard economic freedoms

when we talk about freedoms especially in the US we break it all down to individual

freedoms what do you have the right to do?

But in China...

capitalism is the best resource, you kind of prioritize the best.

I want to hear what the opposite says and I'm going to show you the Wikipedia.

But if that's a case, woman could get pregnant, hence they have to take them off hence they're not the best

at something despite the fact that you can get pregnant they can still be

incredibly skilled over other people but I think in capitalist societies because of

that time you need to take away it's a risk there are there sure there are

a biological disadvantages I need risks yeah I kind of feel like this There are there sure there are disadvantages.

Financial risks.

Yeah. I kind of feel like this guy is just trying to be reasonably like,

oh, all right, all right, we're gonna have Stalinism, really?

Really? Am I the only one? Okay, this is ridiculous.

Stalinism, really?

Major biological...

Like if I was there, he would get really triggered.

Not a lie.

For women, women can also choose not to be pregnant.

Yes.

Yes.

He's been a communist-

female leader yet?

Margaret Thatcher.

Finland has one.

Yeah!

Wait is he on our side?

Oh, he's not on our side.

All right, never mind.

I thought he was making an argument for us but it turns out he was he was trying to

discredit us all right well I mean I think that's a W to be honest but you can you

can think what you want is there a common you know Kim Yo, Jong's her name, right?

Yo, I'm gonna tell you my real, like besides all the jokes,

I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be exceptions.

There's always exceptions, which means yes, there can be women leaders but generally speaking

political politics is about men keeping other men in order not not just in check but it's an agreement of men that's what politics is because men are the violent ones

men are the ones who fight that's the truth we're the ones who fight

so politics is our business

and that's why politics should not be interfering in women's affairs

women need to rule their own kingdom which is a

completely different dimension. Okay? Women, the dimension of women is completely

different. It's not, it's not vertical politics, it's horizontal kinship. You

understand? The female dimension is horizontality. The male dimension is verticality. You understand?

And just because the man is in power as the king or the leader doesn't mean women have no power.

Women have equal if not more power, just that power is not

expressed in the same way. The power is expressed in terms of defining the household,

defining the nature of the family, defining the character, defining the

nature of the family defining the character defining the bonds that hold the society together. You can't delegate that politically. You can't determine that politically.

So I honestly feel like women's empowerment doesn't mean women become like men. Again, people have this stupid idea, oh the man is in

power in government, that means women are subordinated. No, it means women occupy

a completely different dimension of power. Like Kim Jong-un does not have the same power that Korean Grandma's do.

He doesn't.

He'll never be able to replace that power.

He can't touch that.

You understand?

So it's like people need to understand this shit because people are really

fucking stupid. Political power is an agreement between men it's an

understanding between men about the shared reality you know

why isn't there a female queens and shit? Because women and men have completely

dirt a different reality dude. Okay, she's one of the highest up in the

DPRK's government. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The U.S. has had like very high people.

The actual name of the answer.

But like people here also, no, there can be exceptions.

There's exceptions.

Women can be political leaders.

Women can have a role in politics.

I'm not an extremist. I'm just saying those are exceptions. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying when you see the Central Committee of a Communist Party be 90% men, don't say that's because of sexism. That's all I'm trying to say. That's all I'm trying to say. That's all I'm trying to say. That's all I'm trying to say that's all I'm trying to say that's all I'm trying to say

you know there's there's exceptions yes but there are exceptions it's all I'm trying to say

The point is, is there's never been, if we're going to say communist, the prompt was, through communist economies, countries treat women better.

So if you have no female leader ever.

No, that doesn't mean that.

Women are treated better because they don't have to sell themselves to eat, first of all.

Their dignity is upheld and respected.

That's super fucking important, okay?

They have what they need to live and reproduce a household

and they'll get supported if they have kids

and come up with these matters.

They're not dealing with rape and sexual violence.

They're not dealing with crime and crazy men running around at

night and raping and attacking women. Under communism, women can walk at 3 a.m. by

themselves at night and they're safe. That's women's empowerment. Period. You know what I mean?

Like what else do I need to fucking say?

Women can travel, walk alone in a country and be completely safe.

Dude, that is so much more important than being a

fucking girl boss in a pantsuit running your

fucking workplace. No, you know what's woman's empowerment? Being able to

fucking travel and walk at 3 a.m. on your own streets and not ever have to worry

about a crazy man coming and attacking you.

That's fucking empowerment, all right?

Not having to live in fear of men.

Let's start with that.

Let's start with that.

Let's start with no sex trade.

Let's start with shit like that. Let's start with

not having to fucking worry about not being able to survive because and and uh sell yourself and lose your dignity and shit like that you know so

that's a huge fucking thing you know straight up we go look at averages though right

no but that's that's a bad average for you.

And you know, no, this is so stupid, this is so stupid.

Dude, dude, women are the first time.

They're allowed to be literate.

They can be doctors, they can be professionals.

They're in universities.

They're being educated.

Holy shit. You want to talk about women's status under communism it was way better dude

They literally could pursue any profession they wanted to they got education they had had everything. Doctors, engineers, professionals, you

fucking name it. And yeah, they could be madder. They could do, formally speaking,

they could do anything a man could do. Now in reality it didn't turn out that way

because there's a natural difference, right? but they weren't being sold for a

sack of potatoes that's a huge thing dude that's a huge thing

can I have my disagreement? I think... No, boo, shut up.

Women don't have an opinion.

The point in some ways, but also like as a woman,

as a woman, I don't want just to have like a tokenism kind of representation like that

isn't if Hillary Clinton became president it would be no better for me as a

woman right so I don't that doesn't actually advance the culture but what

does advance me are civil liberties what do advance you are having the ability to

speak my mind to pick which career I'm going to do to decide if I want to

all things communism allowed women to have kids if it's worth taking time away from

the workforce or if I don't want to do that the ability to have those

freedoms are here and yes there are many flaws and there are things that that take away

from them in our society

but as you mentioned legally women have had equality for decades and decades and decades and

now that we have seen that time period play out women have been advancing leaps

and bounds they are graduating college at higher rates here than men they are starting to out earn men when you look at apples to apples and they have the same

Yeah all that shit sucks job same education they're all pacing them not a good thing

that's destroying that's destroying humanity this is destroying human life

Advanced both in companies women and men need the that's ruining it that's why everything This is destroying human life. Advanced Mothan companies.

Women and men need the same...

That's ruining it. That's why everything sucks now, by the way.

All movies, all anything, all art, nothing works anymore, it's all shitty.

Things. And that is freedom autonomy the government

not getting in your way equality civil liberty you think economic stability is

one of those things that women and men crave a need but you would say capitalism

is what gives economic stability even though eighty% women are living paycheck to paycheck.

Dude anytime women talk about empowerment empowerment has to be from cradle to grave

you know what that means? Is your life path compatible with you as a grandma?

When you're a seven-year-old woman, are you going to be as empowered as you feel now?

It's, there's a whole circle of life, right?

Because people like, oh, women's empowerment is the college girl-girl boss who's like 30 years old and is a manager.

Okay, what about when you're a grandma? Are you going to have grandkids? What are you going to be like when you're

a grandma? You're just going to be a free grandma who's a girl boss as a great. It's ridiculous, right? It's ridiculous. You've got to encompass the whole circle of life. Now it's a girl boss is a great. It's ridiculous. You got to encompass the whole circle of life not just one part of it

Not just one part of it where you're a young woman

They like you ever notice feminism only empowers women when they're young women like 20 to 35 let's say right and then what

happens after that and then you're then you become a bitter woman not not

inevitably but they they try to pressure you to become that.

And then when you're 50, and then when you turn 60, you become a sad, depressed one.

I'm not saying that's because you're alone.

There's nothing wrong with being alone.

Okay, there's plenty of aunts, women who don't have kids. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

But you want to know what is a bad thing. Abstracting yourself and isolating yourself from the

wider kinship relationships. Even if you're a childless aunt, you're still part of a network of

kinship relationships that helps give your life meaning, right? Even if, even

you're part of some kind of wider kinship reality and you have a role in it, you know? And that's really

important for women. When you're isolated and alone as a free individual, that's

the fucking problem, you know? That's really the fucking problem you know that's really the

fucking problem you know because I know a lot of people like oh the problem is that

women are childless that's not necessarily true on a widespread social

level it is because if there's economic factors but that's that's affecting everybody right and also some women are in fertile you know some are in fertile they can't have kids and almost every single family at least has one childless aunt but the aunt still

plays a very important role you know so that's natural I'm not saying it's it's

unnatural at an individual level but the lack of having an attachment to a wider kinship network and having a role in that network or a status

in that network or some kind of existence in that network, that's the fucking problem.

Okay? That's really the problem. It's really about the whole

kinship relations. Yeah, it's like the whole kinship thing, you know, like the way

they sell women's empowerment is it only applies to young women and that's it.

And then no, they don't care about anyone else.

They don't care about mothers, they don't care about older women.

It doesn't apply to them.

It's just this stupid naive women that they can manipulate.

That's who they really target. You ever notice

that they target the women that are too young so they're stupid and can be

manipulated. That's a very small fraction of what womanhood is, right? It's a whole

circle of life. Anyone talking

about women's apartment because they're making more money and shit, that needs to be

compatible with with grandma's two when you're like 70 years old, when you're 80 years old,

you know

straight up

i don't know that's that's just relative poverty so there's always

going to be relative poverty even if everyone is i think you know what relative

poverty is everyone there's always going to be relative poverty in every society

because relative poverty is just generally defined as making 40% less than the median income.

There's always going to be a median income unless everyone's making exactly the same.

So there's always going to be somebody living in relative poverty.

But I want to address something you said earlier that we're like picking and choosing like the US

isn't capitalist here but it is here no it's like you judge a country if it's

capitalist or not based on how it expresses capitalist traits so we can

say that like in general the US is a mixed economy that's pretty

economically free right but we can

identify things in the government that we don't like and we can say okay well

those things aren't really expressions of capitalism and we don't agree with them

so let's just take three things let's take three things are women treated better do they

thrive more under a communist

country I think it's not only symbolic but it's also reflection if you make a woman

the leader only capitalistic countries have had women as the prime minister or

the president and there's lots of them right now there's never been this is the straight up like

negative 100 retard argument he's making one in common this history not even close

okay number two yeah well America's not the only capitalist the country number you

have Finland you have a New Zealand. Straight up retard argument.

You had England had murder.

I mean to go.

Number two.

I think it's a big.

He said keep going.

It's kind of funny.

That China massively disproportionately killed female babies.

It's a big problem and even they admit it.

Yeah, but that's a cultural issue.

And the one child policy, I don't agree with it at all.

And I don't agree with it at all, but I'm not Chinese. It has nothing to do with me. But I can analyze the facts. The facts where they adopted this policy because of the Western influence. That's literally true. That's literally true. They adopted this policy because of Western

influence pressure groups that came and told them this was the wisest thing to do

and for whatever fucking reason they bought into it and believed it and it was a

huge mistake. When we say here's the system that treats women better come on now the third the

third one that I think is important is where do women want to live?

Well definitely not here okay.

Where do they want do they want to live in North Korea?

North Korea is not like communism though.

It's a, uh, which is one.

They just said, they just corrected me and said,

it is.

They are.

Really?

They're not really a communist country.

I think there's.

You're dead state a shift. I think there's much dictatorship. Juche good case for women being allowed to have opinions. That's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying.

That's their idea. Before we get too far away from into North Korea real quick, just from the

stand on looking at the Constitution, who could vote, who could participate within

the government, within America within America's example rich white

owning the constitution doesn't say that at all democratically within the nation actually

taking control rich white land owning males that was within the constitution

no and i use it's not it's not it used to be it was it was it was it was it It used to be. It was legal for black people to vote.

Let's do a legal mandate, women as well.

And I used that as an example to show women did not have rights within this system.

They fought for it.

Okay.

Aggressively with violence to make sure that they got their vote.

Capitalism does not earn you your rights, especially if you're a marginalized group

because it's just not profitable.

So the country is not profitable.

To pay other people.

The country was established before like capitalist economic theory was established and capitalist

would just argue it.

You look like the nicest guy in the world.

Please let me finish this.

Please, Kim, please.

God damn it, Kim.

Gosh damn it.

No, no, no, no. You're not it's just a no-pad.

He did the no-pad.

Cheating.

I asked.

Only the rich benefit from capitalism.

Uh, Really?

Nobody.

Only the rich benefit from capitalism.

Capitalism being the control of a state apparatus or a nation, government state, whatever

where to use by a certain class.

So if rich people are that class and they control that state that our app is the government

that nation, of course they're the ones to benefit from it.

Talk to the abyss.

Looks like it seems like a turn on.

Do you guys disagree?

Yeah.

You want to take a little Y first before you go.

Hold on, I don't want to, this topic seems boring to me, but I was looking at a map, is every country

allow women to vote now?

Every country does, wow, it's pretty crazy.

I'm not saying this, I'm against it, I was saying like, is there still a country where only men can vote and there isn't?

Even Saudi Arabia women can vote?

Pretty crazy.

Pretty crazy.

crazy. But, uh, but uh, you know.

But, uh, you know, what did I want to show you?

Oh yeah, the Wikipedia thing.

So let me show you the glowiest Wikipedia of all time.

So, it's just crazy. of all, why do they choose this

this crazy? So first of all, why do they choose this picture of him and a hat?

Why did they, I don't know?

To make them look sketchy with low res?

And imagine you're like a person who doesn't know anything about Jackson, you don't know anything.

Let me check who is Jackson?

He has been described as an American conservative, Maga, right wing, and far right.

Okay. He used to be in environment. American conservative, Maga, right wing, and far right.

Okay.

He used to be environmental, he's now pro-fossil fuels.

Oh my God, he must have been bought out by the fossil fuel industry.

Oh, he's a conspiracy theorist.

Oh, yeah.

Views. Oh, Maga Communism, let's see. dude, this is not natural.

Again, every editor, there was a decision by the, what is it called again, the High Council of Wikipedia.

It's called the Arbitration Committee, which is the highest form of authority in Wikipedia,

decided to permanently ban like a dozen editors who had a reputation

and it's the government. It was literally a federal interference to make sure that Jackson's Wikipedia looks like this. It's co-opting socialism.

Why? Why are we, what are we co-opting it with a far-eye study?

Where is Stalinism popular in the US? What are we co-opting? It's fucking retarded.

Why would we co-op something that's fringe in the first place?

Um,

Anna Kasparian Compton, we should should be careful because when you think of Nazis and fascist and how they brought people over to their sides,

they co-opted socialist rhetoric to bring people in.

And then their violence movement was what?

extermination!

This is an incredible degree of fear-mongering.

Anna Kasparian is saying

that we are gonna bring extermination and that we're co-opting socialist rhetoric.

From who? Where's the established socialist rhetoric we're co-opting you

fucking bitch? Sam Cedar.

It doesn't necessarily mean communism in little sense of demanding collective ownership.

Well yeah it does because that's what we say.

It's more of a cultural invocation. I didn't even know there was a new republic article about, okay, I have to disable my ad

blocker.

Oh. Oh, I'm not. I didn't even know about this article.

I didn't even know about this article.

Uh, Maga Communist movement is combined.

This is just one, one, uh, one, one paragraph, one sentence.

Got it. Got it. Anyway, guys, the glowies got us on Wikipedia, arbitration committee intervened, super,

super odd and glowy. But I think that we're gonna wrap up today's stream guys. Hope

you had a great time

I think the I think they removed me from the wiki article actually they removed

all mention of me so it's not I'm not there anymore guys been a great stream. I hope you got the dose of content you've been waiting for I'm gonna get back to work I need to get back to work and hopefully an era of early streams is coming pretty soon.

I just got to finish my work.

All right guys, bye bye hopefully see you tomorrow, can't promise it, you get the whole deal,

you get the drill.

Goodbye and I'm sending you back to You get the whole deal, you get the drill.

Goodbye.

And I'm sending you guys to bullet.

See you later.

What is that? What is that noise?

Yo, what's up guys? Holy shit. I'm always like I'm like I was like tripping out. I'm like why are their noises? What are these? You're going to. You're going to. You're going to. You're not going to. You're going to. You're going to. I'm not going to use. I. Yes, fish people. All right. The stream is off, okay?

Yes, fish people.

All right, I listen, let's us all. We can finally plot our true plan.

Okay, yes, Larouche, I know they said that you were dead, okay? But they don't

know the truth that you're still alive and that, okay, yes, I did deceive them into

thinking I'm not really Adam to hear, all right? But they're on to us.

I had to tell them about the fish people

because they're gonna think that we're...

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Is it's...

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