Russia's Return to Greatness

all right

okay everybody i prepared a lot for this

stream a lot of shit i have lined up

um

took a little longer than i expected to

get the stream going and get it prepared

and shit

but hopefully we're gonna have a good

four hour stream today a pretty long

stream also decided to change my camera

layout again because um

the old one i just wasn't really liking

it that much

didn't have that same effect

i was looking for

but uh yeah we're back hopefully we have

a good stream today hopefully have a

good time

um you know and i'm streaming wow i

can't believe i'm calling this an early

stream because it's fucking 8 p.m right

i mean the goal

ultimately is to be

having streams at like from 4 to 6 p.m

is when i want to start these streams

and have these streams actually

so

first things first not a lot has

happened between yesterday and today i

did finish that thing i was watching on

netflix

and

you know i'm not gonna really tell you

what i watched i'm not gonna tell you

what it was exactly but um

i was really disappointed

i was really disappointed and uh

it was the first type of show let's just

call it that it was a tv show it was the

first type of show i watched

that was in that format because

everyone's always hyping it up and i was

like i want to know what the hype is

right i don't i don't know why people

like this shit

and what i'm missing because i just in

my life i never was able to come around

to appreciate that that medium

and this was like the most popular one

like this was an extremely extremely

popular

uh show

it's like a cult classic everyone always

talks about it and shit so i i did give

it a chance and it was literally like

the most stupid fucking thing i've ever

watched in my head i i can't believe how

much fucking time i wasted

watching that bullsh like it was so

cringy i'm actually like

super

like pissed off that i wasted so much

time

why it wasn't even that long but like

oh my god what a stupid cringey show

like i i'm even more pissed off because

i've always

hated that medium and i've always talked

shit about that medium right and

everybody's always been telling me shit

like oh has you just got to give it a

chance okay i did give it a chance and

it every not only was everything

confirmed

it's like even it's way worse than i

thought it's just

i i i actually sat through that and to

be fair you know most of the time i was

on my phone

like doing other shit because it was so

fucking boring right

and

i'm actually pissed off about it now

like i'm actually fucking pissed i'm not

gonna tell you what it was because like

it's just embarrassing it's just

embarrassing i mean it's very common

it's not really that embarrassing but

i'm embarrassed that i fucking watched

it because

it was like such a cringey disgusting

experience

you know

it's not really embarrassing it's just

like it's just

oh god it's like it's very popular like

a lot of people are a lot of

intellectuals are like oh this is so

deep this is a really deep show you

gotta really you know it's just it's

just so intellect it's so fucking it's

like stupid psychology tropes and

fucking

is shit like it's like oh it's the

definition of like trying to be it's the

definition of like i'm 14 and this is

deep right but i did think that at the

end there must be some like beautiful

ending

that that somehow justifies this shit

and the ending was so

i skipped half of the ending because i

fast forwarded it

because the second to last episode was

like the most pretentious waste of time

i ever saw and i watched the whole thing

and the last episode was the same thing

so i just fast forwarded like halfway

through it until it got to a part where

it returned to some kind of fucking

story

but um

it's

what up

you know uh i'm i'm laughing and i'm

like i'm a little um jolly and i'm like

joyful and shit right now

um

but

i need i need to understand that in my

heart right now like in my soul

i'm actually

full of a lot of anger because

oh my god this has been it's such like a

big cultural influence in our society

and so many people talk about it and

it's like i knew it was exactly what i

thought it was going to be but everyone

kept telling me now you have to watch it

before you can come i didn't have to

fucking watch it because i already knew

what it was going to be

it makes me pissed off i can't fucking

what a scringy society

all right

what a cringe society

that we live in

and like when i was a kid

i knew i was never into it and i was

like okay maybe i'm an adult now maybe

there's something about being an adult

that makes it better no

no

there's not

all right

i was right as a kid it's shit is just

boring as fuck and lame as fuck

and you know i have a lot of anger about

this i got a lot of i'm like butt hurt

about it you know i'm actually mad

um

and i fucking hate everyone who likes

that shit i just

i am gonna make it personal like i

fucking hate you i actually hate you

i don't like you i would never talk to

you in real life i would never be your

friend

you are so fucking cringed i just got to

i just got a peek of what you like and

what you hold close to your heart

and wow i've i now i judge you like i've

never judged anyone before like i will

never look at you guys ever the same

again i didn't even know what that shit

was before and now that i fucking know

it's like

you should be ashamed of yourself

like you should literally be ashamed of

yourself what the fuck is wrong with you

you guys should do a video on thomas

sankara and burkina faso similar to the

stalin vid keep it up thank you emperor

tanki although i'm gonna say something

that's gonna like piss people off you

know when it comes to thomas sankara who

wait very admirable guy big hero

oh my god how is this rank i'm not

ragging on him i'm just ragging on the

fan base

again he's he's a favorite of these kind

of like tropicalist western leftists who

just love a story of of of someone

losing right

and

you know oh you're gonna love you're

gonna you're not like look don't trust

people who just throw all this praise

and obsess the fandom of sankara because

lol did you watch evangelion thank you

push and pee and thank you tanki don't

um

don't don't trust people who throw all

the he throw heaps of fucking praise

on sankara

when they won't do the same for for

fugabe

or gaddafi

especially mugabe though right

so yeah you got to ask yourself the

question and this is the same topic as i

was talking about with the latin

american all of the fandom of thomas

sankara you see on twitter and the

internet those are the same people who

were against mugabe right

so you gotta like kind of like yeah yeah

it's kind of like that you know

i don't like this i'm sick of this story

of like the virtuous martyr who lost

you know i i

i don't like leftists who do that shit

and you know

there's something so ugly about the

leftist aesthetic there's something so

fucking ugly about it like

uh uh it's the worst type of tanky the

worst type of tanky is the one that's

like oh

it's the luna oy tanky it was like oh in

vietnam

we organize

the fields differently and then shut the

fuck up literally shut the fuck up

i don't even know it's the hakeem

tankies you know the hakeem tankies hey

guys it's me hakeem

so i'm going to be responding to what

prager you said so prageru basically um

i'm not going to tell you what the

fucking show was

because

it's one of those things where it's like

i regret ever watching it in the first

place

like

nothing was all that happened was my

preconceptions were confirmed okay

but anyway hey guys it's me hakeem here

and today i'm going to talk about um

why

socialism is actually workers ownership

workers ownership of the means of

production

uh

a lot of people in chat are give are

showing their asses like you guys are

such fat sweaty nerd fucking losers

and the fact that

like how would you even know you know

like you're such losers

you're such fucking losers

i can't even it could have been anything

but you somehow you knew right

y'all are fucking losers really for real

jesus

um

yeah that

yeah

look at this guy achievement scrubs when

it has that destiny and nick

betty him like that you know what this

comes down to is a cultural difference

like

is that what you think bullying is you

stupid bitch

so for me bullying means i call you a

cuck i say you have gyno and you're a

little bitch

and that's what bullying is right but

for you bullying is like ah

but you never thought about the fact

that indeed just like how you're short

you're literally

you are the guy who watches anime you

are a fucking anime

kid you're the anime kid

that's literally you

that's what you think bullying is you

stupid bitch

fucking band kid

we're not gonna get into it we're not

gonna get into it

these people we're not gonna get into it

right but

i want you all to know i'm an

afro-asiatic

mediterranean male and there's a

cultural bridge between us there's just

a cultural bridge between us how i was

raised with my cousins and all that shit

we that's not how it is that's just not

how it is okay there's a cultural bridge

between us we don't understand each

other even fucking circa based even with

zircon

book i should read thank you dashie even

circa understands like when me and zurka

talk about roasting someone we're on the

same page thank you gavriel when circus

chat talks about someone getting roasted

we all understand each other and we're

on the same page but for some other

communities it's just there's just this

cultural bridge i cannot bridge that

bridge right like y'all don't

sway like

roasting for you is literally witty band

kid humor roasting for me

is

dragon ball z super scion mode dragon

energy

literal fire

fucking spit roast direct

right where i disrespect your manhood to

your face in a direct aggressivity way

but um

yeah you fucking pussy little bitch

the fuck is that guy's name hey why

don't you get in my vc i'll show you

what a roast looks like

oh

bitch

achievement scrubs how about you get in

my vc little bitch

fucking band kid ass pussy

um um i i i i i

i i i shut the fuck up

and um actually and and i don't got time

for that i have solar energy i have

solar afro-asiatic mediterranean male

energy

bitch

why are you so confident right now why

don't you get in my vc little pussy

you're fucking confident enough to type

in my chat you little bitch and you must

not be familiar with who the fuck i am

bitch

you must not be familiar with who the

fuck i am

oh i wasn't confident with nick and

destiny why because i was i was bored as

fuck and i wasn't doing shit because

there was literally no content going on

he was fucking being cringe all by

himself that's me not being fucking

confident you projecting pussy you're

just a projecting pussy how about you

get in my fucking vc and i fuck your

skull how about i fuck

your skull in front of everyone and you

get in my vc do you have the confidence

to withstand me in vc

based

i was the anime kid kaiji is the only

marxist leninist anime i can recommend

for you or chat

oh fi thank you for the 10

but that's just not the move oh yeah and

dashi i'm sorry i uh

i like i uh skipped over your question

but um

the dugan boogie series political

platinism what do you want to debate

i'm just gonna roast the fuck out of you

you're gonna cam up or you're gonna just

talk

and i'm gonna show you what it looks

like to be roasted oh bitch

and you're gonna you're gonna i'm gonna

give you a cultural experience of

cultural exchange how about that

cultural experience of cultural exchange

you get on my vc imma roast the fuck out

of you and then you're gonna see the

difference right

you're gonna see the difference

fucking gyno having little bitch in my

chat

fucking little harry potter ass

motherfucking scar on your forehead

little bitch imma be your lord voldemort

today bitch

and your fucking bitch look like hagrid

bitch fucking harry potter ass

but the best i watch anime

look at this look at this guy you fell

off

does that does that sound like you

getting in my vc

does that sound like vc to me

that don't sound like vc to me it sounds

like you're a pussy

it sounds like you're a pussy to me i

genuinely think you're a pussy

you're genuinely a fucking pussy

what do you want to debate

i want to debate about whether anything

you said

can be verifiable i wanna i wanna debate

about whether anything you've typed in

my chat

can be demonstrated to be true how about

that

see the this is the problem with these

fucking nerds i can play their game i

can play your game i know how to act

like you i look i know how to act like

you understand

i will beat you at your own fucking game

i will beat you at your own game

yeah the perfect example of a beta

yeah anyway

we i have a i have so much to talk about

today like i have not only news to cover

but we're gonna do a deep dive into the

whole

history of the ukraine it's gonna be a

really big thing we're gonna get into

right

but um

you know what i'm

look it's not often i get pissed

visibly

this guy chin is permanently banned from

the chat

and we know what your chin looks like

chin

your perm chin i don't even care if

you're a fucking uh

super patreon sub you are fucking

permanently banned from my chat you

fucking bitch

don't get stun locked

just unlocked when i'm not talking for

four seconds

okay i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna do a

new youtube type of stream i'm not gonna

change how i am for youtube i'm not

gonna change who i am for youtube

so if you're the type

that is waiting for me to like stop

talking for four sec just leave get the

fuck out of my stream right now all of

you i want all the rats to get the fuck

out of my stream i don't care if we go

back to 100 viewers all rats get the

fuck out of my stream scurry away little

bitch

this is not for you

imma talk according to my own pace

and i'm really tempted to do a silent

stream for all four hours i'm really

tempted to do a silent stream for four

hours

i'm really tempted to do a completely

silent stream where i just stare at the

camera for four hours

because i think we're in need of that

level of discipline

we are in need of that level of

discipline because this is disgusting

right

it's actually disgusting

but uh yeah the 300 spartans

but you know i'm gonna be i'm gonna

actually be honest about something

i don't even know if the live streaming

shit on youtube is viable i'm gonna be

honest i don't know if it's viable if we

go back to 200 100 viewers i just may

never stream and just do video content

and do writing content because there's

got to be a demand for it you know i

always say there's just i'm going to

keep doing this for months and months

but there does gotta be a demand for

this shit you know

there's gotta i'm not gonna it's just

too much

it's not enough to make a living off of

at that point you know

it's really not

it's just simple as that it's really not

you know

all right we're gonna have a new rule

ready

mods

literally permanently ban

every single person

who says any type of negativity in my

chat

permanently ban

every single person

who spreads negativity in the chat

every single one

including this guy ylvar

write scripts make video comment and

only stream when you have a lot to say i

just don't feel like

ever hearing your advice again so you're

permanently banned

we need a purge every single negative

thing in this chat

is gone

because in order to grow again we need

to get rid of these fucking

dead weight little bitches holding us

down

you understand purge every single one of

these fucking people we don't want them

we don't need them

get them the fuck out of here

get them the fuck out of you

get them the fuck out of you

when i have that cultural revolution

not a cultural revolution it's a purge

we're gonna have a great purge thank you

what stop streaming

what

what

thank you what

appreciate you

appreciate you so the first thing i

wanted to talk about right

first thing i wanted to talk about is

the fact that we have this thing with uh

addison cawthorn

what kind of content are you making

you know what i don't know what's up

with youtube chat but like there's so

many people in the youtube chat that

just think they have freedom of speech

yeah okay achievement scrubs let's

debate on whether i fell off or not go

ahead get in my fucking vc

little bitch

but there's so many people in my chat

anti-nerd purge who just feel like they

have the right to talk

they just feel like they have the right

to speak

holy fuck lo-fi thank you

do you still intend to do the podcast

with jackson yes samira khan yes i could

increase the demand

yes i do

anyway um

yeah i do

yeah achievement scrubs get in my vc you

fucking pussy

go ahead and get my vc but uh there's

just a lot of people in these chats that

just in this chat like they feel like oh

this no this is a this is the gorilla

army this isn't just somewhere you could

just come and be yourself and get the

fuck out of here bitch go watch richard

medhurst or some shit go watch a fucking

neutral whatever fucking streamer this

is a parasocial community this is a

parasocial

community

this is not open to everyone we don't we

don't just take in anyone in this

fucking street understand

we this is a parasocial type of stream

we this is not open to the public you

have you need vip access to be here it's

not a lounge stupid bitch talking shit

in my chat

anyway

as i was saying is that is that the guy

gonna get in my vc

is that fucking pussy getting my in my

vcr

let's see

no he's a pussy is achievement getting

on my vc or not

something tells me

achievement is gonna bitch out

and not get in my vc

something tells me achievement is gonna

bitch out and not get in my vc

something tells me he's not gonna

in my discord you stupid bitch hurry up

and stop wasting our time

you fucking pussy

damn

damn

look at this

look at this dude trying to make excuses

because he's a pussy

damn damn you have literally 15 seconds

to join the discord 15

14

13

12 11

10

9

8

seven

six

five

four

three

two

one

zero

look at this bitch

so even though ahmad linked it to you in

the chat

even though ahmad literally linked it to

you in the chat

oh you fell off dude you wanna okay you

know what achievement you wanna

challenge me right now so how about in

six months in six months whether i'm 1k

average

six months

will you still say i fell off you stupid

bitch yeah i got d platform dumbass not

gonna have the same amount of fucking

views as i did before you stupid bitch

what are these stupid fucking people

like don't just type shit and run away

i want you to feel the shame of typing

that it's so fucking stupid do you even

think what the fuck

and then people go and then people go um

um oh look at this jilly love yikes i'm

out

please on your way out

slip on a banana peel and break your

head in a video game

okay

and never come back ever literally never

come back ever and you can't either

because you're fucking banned

anyway let me tell you guys something

let me tell you guys something i'm sick

of these dumb fucks who go on the

internet and freely

they freely out of their own time

no one is forcing them to do this shit

based on their own fucking free will and

out of their own time

type bullshit in my chat

say stupid fucking things

and then when i give them a response

thank you uh mac appreciate you i'm new

but boy i like you do you think thank

you meg appreciate you and then

appreciate you so much man holy shit and

then when i do this shit where it's like

when i give them the reaction deserving

of that level of stupidity they go oh my

god

you are you you you get so angry so

easily

you are literally a dumb fuck

you don't understand

that my reaction is proportionate to

your fucking stupidity and your stup you

should feel so much shame that you

should call your mother crying

and asking her what went wrong

just ban him to the exit holy shit thank

you soul i appreciate you so much

appreciate you so much but you should

literally call your mother crying about

what a dumb fuck

you are and ask her what went wrong with

me why did you raise me to be this way

what about you is respond and you should

maybe you should blame your parents i

don't know blame somebody but you are a

stupid fuck you are literally a stupid

fuck

yeah emirio you emirio prove it you in

the first place in the uh

you know you got a lot of imposters in

this fucking chat so yeah you can't even

you can't even uh reliably know who's

even fucking real right so you gotta

go in the discord and uh

that kind of shit

but damn i don't this is not let me tell

you all something this is not a

respectable

i'm not part of that sphere of the

internet you come i don't know where the

fuck you come from that's not my shit i

am not like you

anybody who has a problem with this me

getting angry shit i don't i'm not like

you i don't

yo get the fuck out of here go watch

someone else go watch a a polite

respectable person that's not me

damn

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this is realness here we we have

realness here you're a fake little bitch

so get the fuck out

damn

damn

i don't want these these fucking uh you

know

oh um

actually huh shut the fuck up

damn

damn and people act like i'm the one

who's crazy i'm crazy

no what's crazy is that you woke up

and

really typed stupid shit in my chat

as if oh what that's just nature that i

just overlooked that like i overlooked

nature no

you need to be shamed you need to be

called out

you're dumb as fuck

added me in the discord

you didn't

oh emirio okay emirio i'm gonna mod you

emirio i'm mirio amerio where the fuck

are you

emirio

where the fuck are you

there you go

add mod

there you go

based thank you zach zolco you got

dedication

thank you zack soka appreciate you

appreciate you

you know okay you know what you know

what there is i'm gonna talk about this

internet problem right there's this

internet thing

where

rev again don't at me in the fucking

chat at me in the discord and tell me

what your name is i don't know i don't

know if you're real look there's this

thing on the internet where people have

this uh the default

the default type of psychological state

is just being like

this is the reddit stare i'm gonna i'm

gonna introduce a new concept it's

called the reddit stare right there's

different temperaments on the internet

and one of them is the thing where like

the only normal cool person is the

person with the reddit stare

everything we do every joke we make

every action we take is to return to the

reddit stair

i'm normal i'm normal no bitch

that's not us

that's not us we yell over here we get

angry over here we're hot tempered over

here and we're passionate over here

bitch we don't have that reddit stare

like you

literally suck my cock suck my fucking

cock for

real and by the way that's why they d

platinum for me from fucking everything

that's why stream labs d-platform me

that's why stream elements d-platforming

cause i'm unapologetic about it

i'm unapologetic about it

i'm not like you

i'm not like you

i don't just say i want putin

to take ukraine

i don't just say that putin was

justified in taking ukraine

i'm saying putin would be justified in

taking can canada

that's why

and i'm serious about that

i'm actually serious about that

yeah

yeah

he should take canada

now you know what i just i'm i'm this is

a new resolution because i've been

thinking about this shit

i've really been thinking about this

shit i am not gonna adjust to youtube

youtube is gonna adjust to me

you understand i'm not gonna change who

the fuck i am for youtube youtube's

going to change for me

i can't do this shit where i just

sitting here and being professional i

can have a professional setup and i can

be

thank you eyes on green appreciate you

so much man for the warchest khan don't

worry the anti-anime community still

considers you a benchmark leader

evangelion is everything that's wrong

with pseudo intellectuals online thank

you eyes on green

go insane for ukraine the platformers

deserve the pain but just in a video

game thank you alex appreciate you man

and yeah

i'm gonna say something there's

something on the internet called an

anime intellectual and these people

need to work in boot camp so i don't

know if we're allowed to say gulags but

we can say boot camp so all the anime

people need to go to boot camp all anime

intellectuals have to go to boot camp

that's where they belong boot camp

that's where the anime intellectual

belongs

okay

boot camp

and i'm not joking that's not a joke i

actually believe that by the way

um all right so here's here's what okay

we a lot of distractions and shit here's

what i wanted to talk about today right

here's what i wanted to talk about so

there's

a

currently right now i used i talked

about this on twitch i don't know if you

guys saw that stream

but i can't do a full recap about it

unfortunately let me pull this up

i can't do a full recap about what i

covered on twitch

but i'm sure most of you remembered it

the reason i think most of you

remembered it actually

is because

most of you are the same people that

were watching me on twitch right most of

you right so you guys probably remember

the time i covered madison cawthorne and

how i commended his bravery

uh in being able to expose

the republican establishment

so madison cawthorne

the republican establishment

he exposed you know

he exposed them further they're engaging

in debauchery and orgies and all this

sick twisted shit and being a bunch of

fucking hypocrites and i commend him for

that and we commanded him for that and

he deserves to be commended right but by

doing that madison conform made a lot of

enemies right he made so many enemies

actually

that he started to be trending on

twitter today right

and the reason he was uh trending on

twitter actually

was

how the fuck does this have stupid shit

happen man

like

every stupid fucking thing man

all right

and the reason for that right

okay there we go

the reason for that is um

so according to former finance uh former

campaign uh

staffers on his campaign so the same

people that helped hawthorne get elected

and we can imagine that those people

come from the republican establishment

one way or another or their ambassadors

who were sent down from them right they

decided to leak

from hawthorne

supposedly and this is the well i saw

the photo right they decided to leak

this dumb photo right it's like a

complete nothing burger

you know i'm gonna talk about this

because

i i really don't get how some people

take the bait when it comes to this shit

it was like this photo of cawthorne

i almost kind of want to show it to you

okay should i just show it to you i'm

gonna show it to you fuck it i was gonna

like not show it out of respect for him

but it's such a nothing burger

that i'm just gonna show it to you just

to show you like

you're like okay cawthorne was caught

wearing women's ling

lingerie

he was caught wearing women's lingerie

so the republican fucking um

establishment is the one who's behind

this fucking uh smear campaign against

his image because he fucking exposed

them right so this is the women's

lingerie that madison called thorn was

wearing and you you're gonna think this

is super degenerate and like oh my god i

mean this is really bad this is really

bad right well this is all it fucking

was here you go

oh my god you know what this is this is

a chad

who's

hanging out with you know i don't know

if this is his mother i don't know who

the fuck this is women

and you know they're clearly drinking

and he's just they're just having a fun

time and it's literally a nothing burger

and no he's not wearing women's lingerie

because he's wearing his own fucking

actually i can't even tell i don't even

know what the fuck he's wearing right

who gives a fuck

who gives a fuck

it's it's the biggest nothing burger

i've ever seen in my fucking life

if this is if this was just a normal

photo on his facebook who would give a

fuck now you some people may be like but

but cawthor imposters as a conservative

and as a traditional conservative male

um

yeah but he's also 20 what is he like 25

years old so he's also 25 years old and

this is not

that bad this is like not really i mean

this isn't the this wouldn't be like the

symbol of a conservative male

per se

but like this is not really that out of

the ordinary for like

you know i mean even you know holy shit

like you don't think fucking jordan

peterson was having fun at 25 just

fucking around a little bit i mean this

is nothing but because um can i say the

r word on youtube can i say that word

anyone know if i could say that word

because i really want to talk about how

there's this issue of people who are um

differently abled

who can't tell the fucking difference oh

so

it would be okay if there was a a sex

tape leaked of cothorn where he was

getting pegged by another man

no because it's not the same thing

and you must have some disability if

you're not able to fucking understand

that

this isn't cross-dressing these are

women he's with while drinking and

they're just fooling around and i don't

mean fooling around in a even in a dirty

way it's just they're just joking around

they're just clowning he's okay madison

cawthorne is clowning around with some

women

he's clowning around with some women at

a party

that's it this is the biggest fucking

nothing burger i've ever seen in my

fucking life he's 25 years old who gives

a fuck and the shit that he was alleging

that the conservative politicians were

doing was way fucking worse

those people are old creepy fuck men who

are in orgies doing drugs there's a

really big difference between that

and this nothing burger right here which

is not it shouldn't even be fucking news

okay and by the way

just to be fucking clear

the amount of butt hurt spite driven

rage behind

the

media reporting on this shit and like

them making it go viral actually makes

me sick to my fucking stomach so some

old pedo fuck who caught thorn exposed i

don't mind calling them that because we

know that they're probably involved in

that kind of shit too

so some old creepy fuck was like oh

we're gonna get caughthorn back fire

everything search everything look for

the worst possible thing in this guy's

past that could be the most embarrassing

thing ever and this is all they could

come up with

this is the

only thing they could they could come up

with it's literally nothing

it's

there's there's nothing it's there's

literally nothing here

and then you know here's here's what

actually disgusts me and this is what's

something like no one's talking about

this right which is like it's the way

leftists progressives liberals and these

fucking republican establishment pieces

of shit lincoln project people and the

rest of those people they're all

coalescing around attacking cauthor so

the original publication that um broke

this story let me look up who exactly

did it again

it was who was the first it was politico

yeah

politico was the first

to do this okay so where does politico

lean on the political spectrum where do

you think politico leans on the

political spectrum politico is a

left-leaning

libtard magazine right so that's

political

and yet they're

they're um doing dirty work and they're

engaging in this hatchet job

on behalf of the republican

establishment wait a fucking second so

i'm smeared as a republican a lot of the

times because i'm reaching out to

populists all over and i reach out to

everybody so they come and smear me as a

fucking republican right but here you

have these lefties and and progressives

and all these fucking people who are

literally doing the hatchet job dirty

work of the republican establishment

i reach out to those very

populistic maga republicans who are

underdogs who by no means represent the

mainstream of the party and who are

pretty much trying to just represent a

new political orientation you know the

jd vance type of people and not even

even even further than that right just

you know just general populist the trump

people whoever the fuck those people are

right those are the people i reach out

to when i talk to you and i have

crossover viewership with and i have

some measure and degree of sympathy with

right

but

these people it's like

you you got to understand it's the

establishment versus the populace it's

the establishment

versus the people like and you want to

know how we can know that is because

when the republican establishment wants

something done the lefties the liberals

the progressives all coalesce around it

and they join hand in hand with the

republican establishment

to smear this

25 year old young man

absolutely despicable

it is just absolutely despicable

so

photographs obtained by politico appear

to show madison cawthorne the embattled

republican congressman from north

carolina recently accused his gop

colleagues of inviting him to orgies

wearing lingerie in what appears to be a

party setting i mean this is so fucking

like

misleading

because like they're trying to make it

seem like he's naked posing in lingerie

or some shit it's not what's going on

right um the revelation of the two

photos

unflattering headline the young member

of congress

yeah and this is the crucial context

it's that on may 17th there's going to

be a primary in north carolina where

several republican

establishment challengers want to

overthrow hawthorne

and politico was acting as the hatchet

job for

doing the fucking dirty work of these

absolutely disgusting scumbags right

um

thorne who was paralyzed from the waist

down in a car accident

he called zalensky a thug that's not a

negative highlight that's not a see this

is really what we're dealing with so

kawthorne had the bravery called

zelinski a thug

he exposed pelosi for being a drunk

and he also

exposed the republican establishment for

engaging in orgies and also all kinds of

sick twisted shit right so as as a form

of revenge uh politico decided to

publish these photos which they

apparently

obtained from where

all right

so they actually this is clawthorne's

response i didn't even know he responded

to them

so he goes i guess the left thinks goofy

vacation photos during a game of on a

cruise

is somehow going to hurt me they're

running out of things to throw at me

share your most embarrassing vacation

pics and the replies

and i'm going to tweet about this

the most despicable part about this is

that it isn't just the left

it's the left

so it's the synthetic left teaming

up with the republican

establishment

to unseat hawthorne ahead of his primary

next month

is the establishment he doesn't even

argue for the abolition of class

okay

can you site can you get in my vc and

cite to me one passage

where marx angles

or even lenin

talk about the abolition of class go

ahead

go ahead and do that for me

and they're trying to say he's a

hypocrite because he's like a

conservative or he's a christian or

whatever

you know and and he also had these

photos published which is like the most

stupid fucking thing i've ever heard

ever because first of all how is it

somehow incompatible between being a

conservative

christian and

going on a cruise and taking goofy

nothing burger photos i mean like that

doesn't sound like that's about being a

conservative it sounds like at that

point

that's just about being

a fundamentalist i don't think hawthorne

ever said he was a fundamentalist like

what are they going to say next i mean

call thorn is

hawthorne watches uh tv shows and movies

at the movie theater that are not

christian in content that means he's a

hypocrite i mean no he's clearly a

normal just because he's a fucking

conservative christian and has

conservative values doesn't fucking mean

he's not a normal human being who has

fun on vacations like yeah i know

they're like sexually harassing the shit

out of him and that's what leftists

fucking do is they make everything

extremely fucking sexual

right

they always make everything so fucking

sexual

i don't see giovanni i don't you keep

spamming me about giovanni i don't see

him

where is giovanni

where is giovanni

where is he at

where is he at i don't see him don't

spam me about somebody when i can't even

okay

all right here he is

giovanni

admon

there you go

all right

um

so that again the most disgusting thing

about this story

is

it's an exam and let's look at it let's

look at some more examples of this

actually of how what leftists are saying

about this so let's let me show you i'll

give you an example so you just go to

madison cawthorne

science matters well i'm kind of

speechless i'm not sure if mannequin

hawthorne is gonna like this media

attention so yeah go ahead and hold

water for like the literal republican

establishment that's bought out by

special interest groups i mean look you

can be against cawthorne but you're

literally just helping the republican

establishment

it's actually fucking crazy

eric swalwell

oh my god it's eric swalwell

they're trying i love how they're trying

to say like that this somehow demeans

his manhood

in some kind this people are so fucking

disgusting like he should somehow be

ashamed of this is the biggest nothing

burger i've ever seen in my fucking life

right

i don't care that madison cothor likes

to wear lingerie in his free time it

doesn't bother me doesn't affect me

okay charlotte first of all you have a

fucking ukraine flag

in your fucking name you are a nazi you

are an azov hitlerite nazi

so that completely disqualifies your

credibility completely so let's actually

address the content of your little tweet

here we know you're a fucking nazi you

have no credibility as far as anything

you're fucking saying is concerned but

let's just address what you're fucking

saying here right

so you're saying i don't care that

madison cawthorne likes to weigh

lingerie in his free time doesn't bother

me okay first of all this is an example

of a mental disability and there's

nothing wrong with that but we need to

have some kind of cross

able age

able um mentally abled cross

communication so i could inform you that

taking a goofy vacation picture in no

way

betrays the idea that you like to wait

wear lingerie in your free time

and that he's played he's being playful

with no you're really overlooking you're

really like

reaching and over reading into this shit

and honestly

like

it does remind me of a specific type of

mental disability i'm just saying like

you just can't even you can't even like

tell the difference and you're just

gonna reach and like make a fucking big

deal out of nothing

so

clear about today's gop mickey mouse is

a groomer and madison cawthron is a

conservative christian

yes you don't know what a fucking

conservative christian means you think a

conservative christian is a

fundamentalist to be clear a

conservative christian can be a 25 year

old male

that does 25 year old male things

it it's just

anywhere in the world you go

conservative does not mean

fundamentalist conservative is not

actually about

how you yourself live your life

as much as it is about what you to be

what you believe to be like the

underlying

why being so angry it makes good content

emo but you sound mentally ill

no refunds bitch thank you with f uh

thank you for the five fucking dollars

and

i'm fucking angry

at bullshit and if you don't like

like i said this guy what who freely

gave me his five fucking dollars

this is the guy i was talking about who

has that fucking default reddit stare

that's his default stare that's like the

default temperament he has

he has the reddit stare

that's it

no passion no human anything he's

there's nothing there there's just

completely empty soulless fucking

and five dollars for that fucking snarky

comment

give me out good give me 50 if and

give me 50 or you're permanently banned

forever

mods give him like

five minutes to give me fifty dollars to

uh

to pay for what he just said

you sound mentally ill

you're a fucking blank fluoride stare

npc

and you're calling me mentally ill

you have no passion you don't live for

anything in this world you watch anime

and you have gyno

why do you even wake up from bed

why do you even wake up from bed in the

morning i don't know you tell me i don't

know why the fuck you do that

anyway um

yeah this is an example of an npc

dumbass who just like uh

needs to go to boot camp

so

eric champ

doesn't understand that a conservative

christian doesn't mean you're a

fundamentalist

okay a fundamentalist believes that

every aspect of your life is going to be

dictated

according to like prescribed

norms and prescribed forms of behavior a

conservative has views about society in

a very general sense especially when it

relates to

the decisive political decisions that

are on the table like okay what we have

decisions we have to make politically

what decisions should we make right

should we go far should we promote

like this

fundamental change of gender relations

or sex relations or whatever relations

or

should we kind of hold and that's where

it's decisive to be a conservative or

not as far as like how you live your

life personally

um

unless you're like fundamentally

deviating from the norm

you know you can't really say you can't

be a conservative if you're partying at

25 years old

and having some fun now if if

i would understand if he was like you

know involved in some like

same-sex shit because at that point oh

you're a conservative christian and

clearly that contradicts like in a very

direct way you know so i get that but

uh i mean i would understand that more

right if he was like involved in like

some you know same-sex activity or some

shit like that like okay i don't

understand right

um

but this is literally a nothing broker

this is like the it's actually fucking

mind-boggling that anyone's making a big

deal out of it let's continue looking at

these

dead npc comments from like the biggest

dumbass dumb fuck

npc blue check mark

oh dear

fifteen thousand like fifteen thousand

people are coping that this is somehow

embarrassing

fifteen thousand people are somehow

coping that it's embarrassing

madison cothran can take goofy vacation

photos it's not the photos it's the

hypocrisy you know what i noticed

the cr

the biggest irony i noticed about

leftists is that

they're fundamentalists

they can't

comprehend

just

just being a normal person

or if someone else is a conservative

everything has to be the most extreme

conclusion

thing possible

they are i don't want to insult puritans

but it's kind of like that kind of like

you know it does come from puritanism

right

fundamentalists in every

literal psychopaths

yeah it's like

why are they like that why are they

always just yeah they have this idea

that like

if you it's somehow hypocritical to do

that no it's fucking not

it's not hypocritical you're just a

fucking fundamentalist

you're just a fundamentalist that's not

hypocritical hypocrisy

would be if he was like you know telling

people oh

never even then it's not hypocrisy you

know i have such a different

um

understanding of like aesthetic and

morality than leftists like for example

let me actually tell you guys something

let's say can i give you guys an

intellectual kind of lecture right let's

say i told you for just for one second

like let's say i told you guys

the worst sin you could ever do is um

eat chocolate

candy bars do not eat chocolate candy

bars it is a sin

and then

don't do it it's bad and then i actually

was eating chocolate candy bars is how's

a hypocrite no

and i know for most of you

that's gonna be like fucking like un

unthinkable you're gonna be like what

of course that's the definition of

hypocrisy

actually it's not

it's not because in one case you are

talking about what you think is a good

message socially

to communicate to others for our common

sociality right and on the other hand

you're doing something personally which

may reflect some kind of imperfection on

your part or inability to live up to

what you think

would ultimately be good for people that

doesn't make you a hypocrite okay

yeah you have to actually kind of be

like a little bit smart to understand

this there's going to be a lot of dumb

fucks who don't understand that right

being flawed

on a personal level does not

somehow invalidate the messages you give

socially they don't now what's the

difference between that and the orgies

and shit

libs are calling him a hypocrite

hypocrisy implies he secretly transfer a

cross-dresser this was a goofy drinking

game at vacation party exactly so

there's only there's going to be two

levels to hypocrisy right one level of

hypocrisy is at the personal level that

doesn't have anything to do with what

you tell others to do

what it actually has to do with is what

you tell yourself you are and whether

you live up to what you tell yourself

you are now in that case you would be a

hypocrite if i look in the mirror and

tell myself

that i am someone who does not eat um

chocolate candy bars and i actually do

them then yeah there is a level of

hypocrisy to that

but

thank you roy abele for the five by the

way but actually

most hypocrisy is social right

so

hypocrisy is something that manifests

itself at the social level not in not at

the level of your personal lifestyle

choices or your personal decisions and

that's what makes the

orgies and cocaine parties

a form of hypocrisy it's not because

they are in their individual capacity

engaging in personal decisions that

contradict their public message is that

they're doing it together in this kind

of almost institutionalized

ritualized way where it's just this

dirty ritualized secret that in public

we preach one thing but yet we have this

like

we have this like um ritual this social

ritual that we do behind closed doors

that reflects that this is not something

we think

is for the society the corruption

manifests itself in some kind of

externalized social way

that's what makes it hypocritical

hypocrisy doesn't come

from when you're just like fucking doing

shit just personally hypocrisy enters

the frame

when you have this kind of scandalous

and symptomal

tick

sanctioned and manifested at some kind

of social level

right

it's just

hypocrisy is always about

implicit don't ask don't tell kind of

cultures where you're just like yeah we

know

that lindsey graham

is

secretly doing things we just don't talk

about it that's hypocrisy right

hypocrisy is when it becomes

a part of the norm

on a social level right

so who the fuck is in my show cue this

what

yo

what who the fuck are you

i was talking your discord chad yeah and

talking shit on communism

and please told you go on

against the sultan

okay raise your mark volume raise your

mic volume what's your problem

i want to know why do you believe in

such a you know big ideology

what do i believe in what

in this big ideology that is communism

big

big

big

big

like the animal

pig ideology yeah or where are you from

lithuania

you're from lithuania yeah and why are

you butt hurt about communism

it's in my fucking blood

no it's fucking not

there's shot communists

in the fucking woods i don't give a fuck

what your ancestor did bitch

it destroyed my country bro no it didn't

and many others

delayed

our progress but

there's

what about the communists in lithuania i

know them

oh all ten of them

no they don't matter

they exist

yeah and they're shunned from society

for being fucking retarded bro

no their son because lithuania is kind

of trying to bring back that neo-nazi

nostalgia now aren't they

nice nostalgia

oh you don't think germans fucked us too

we're tied with poland for being the

soviet red army are the ones who

liberated lithuania from the fucking

germans and the poles

and they shipped off 300 000 political

prisoners on off to siberia for what

yeah i keep keep talking about these

fairy tales listen fairy tales yeah

every fucking lithuanian no no why don't

you make it 300 billion who gives a fuck

at this point right but anyway

yeah the red army are the ones who

liberated hold on who liberated

lithuanian cities from polish control

from polish control yeah

the soviet union before they occupied us

okay so you wouldn't have had those

cities if it wasn't for the soviets now

would you have yeah

we had them for like one month

for a year at most i don't know exactly

and they were given back to poland all

of them

no

after

what do you mean they were getting so

what what what what is what how in what

way did the soviet union hurt lithuania

well after killing like around 300 000

of us like let's just say 300 trillion

right

no yeah yeah like how about 500.

a billion big number all right a billion

people

okay so tell me this why after the

soviets first

conquered us

illegally annexed us why did so many

lithuanians fire on the german side out

of sheer anger

against the soviet unions it was a class

war because the lithuanian bourgeoisie

and the classes that had everything to

lose from the soviet

yeah they left before that

ah they they took up arms and they

fought

not the

it wasn't the intellectuals who were

fighting the soviets it was young people

19 year olds you're not fucking

philosophers or

an intellectual from cities

from cities yeah

they're urbanized

yeah lithuania wasn't very urbanized

then the institutionalized

the institutionalized

the

you gotta understand back then tell me

why why be angry at lithuania why be

angry at the soviet union

well because they started shipping us

away

siberia so did you get shipped away to

siberia they removed the freedom of

speech yes we didn't have a lot of it

but we had a lot more

than with the soviets

and we had more freedoms

they didn't take our land

so what was the problem

what i just told you

you're saying there's a story three

hundred thousand got shipped

three hundred thousand

over the period of around five or ten

years i'm not sure yeah okay lithuania

right now has a population of 2.7

million people yeah back then it had a

similar one like 2.2 million

you're saying 300 000 out of 2.2 million

got shipped off to siberia yeah

even more even more died during the

world war ii

a lot of jews you think we like the

germans

we don't

jews were like i don't know uh

a seventh of the fucking population like

three hundred thousand it was yeah i

don't know what like any of this shit

has to do with anything like what okay

you he okay

the only thing you've given me so far is

that the soviets allegedly shipped 300

000 people out of lithuania i just find

that hard to believe

freedom of speech

okay

hold on who okay you know what you know

what let's talk about freedom of speech

goddess what's an example of a country

with freedom of speech does lithuania

have freedom of speech

no you can't see comments exactly so you

don't you don't clearly don't give a

fuck about freedom of speech does

america have freedom of speech i'm

against it i i think they should speak

their minds

okay america

so what was the difference then with the

soviet

that you union say anything

that's same in lithuania now

no yeah you just can't say different

things now but it's like the same

you go to jail if you support russia now

i agree there is a bad they can't say

communist and fascists so why are you

okay let's say you're a guy who just

wants freedom of speech right why are

you shitting on the soviet union then

because lithuania also doesn't have

freedom of speech now so it's clearly

not a soviet problem it's

maybe a deeper problem but don't blame

and just shit on the soviet union

yeah

they were banning

most of the fucking books that were

published the writers most of them got

killed

or ran away to america okay i i i just

have a hard time believing that if you

weren't

writing good stuff about the soviet

union i'm not saying that they were

writing bad stuff they were just not

writing

not that sounds like a tall tale to me

sorry i just i have a hard time given

what i know about the soviet union and

the diversity of literature that was

tolerated within the soviet union

including literature that even in the

stalin era there was literature that was

critical and satirical

of the soviet union and it wasn't banned

and this was in the 1930s so i highly

doubt that in lithuania throughout the

entire duration of the soviet union you

couldn't have any writings that weren't

not only were critical of the soviet

union but didn't directly praise this i

just find that hard to believe it just

sounds like a crazy tall tale

well

i'd have a really hard time seeing

finding any book that was being

published

publicly

and printed

by lithuanians critic criticizing the

soviet union in any way back then

there's no way that a single book like

that ever yeah it probably wasn't

allowed to be direct but i'm talking

about like backhanded satire and all

that that was very common in the soviet

era

yeah

it was

so it was

made in such a way so that the you know

shitty bureaucrats wouldn't find out

about it

what do you think look i i have look

let's

to be clear with you

hold on to be clear with you i'm not

saying the soviet era was perfect i have

critiques of the bureaucracy mao had

critiques of the bureaucracy stalin had

critiques of the bureaucracy i'm not

saying it's perfect what i have a

problem with is the way that you make it

seem like the soviet union you're

singling it out unfairly as the problem

when many of these issues

not only continue to persist after the

soviet union's gone but even got fucking

worse

i agree

so why single out the soviet union i

don't get it i think i don't think it

has anything to do with the soviet era i

think it has a lot to do with

nationalism and having a hostile

attitude toward russia today it doesn't

have anything to do with the soviet

union

we only have a far south attitude

against against russia right now

well there's been a hostile kind of a

nationalist to be honest i would love to

bring back the old days of the

lithuanian grand dutch you know

well if you're just more honest about

that you wouldn't have to hide behind

liberalism and you know some kind of

like humanitarian

decrying of the evil of the soviet union

you could just be a nationalist instead

of uh

i think the word nationalist has changed

a lot i mean like i love my country and

uh okay there's nothing wrong with that

lithuania is a proud country with a deep

history of statehood and it's not like

latvia and uh estonia which have no

history of of uh state at all it is it

is a real country with

you know it's it's a proud history and

tradition so there's nothing wrong with

that but i don't see why that has to be

bounded up with anti-russian hatred

well they were

the russians in both occupations the

russian empire and the communists

they both tried to

kill the

national spirit of lithuania i don't

think that's true lithuania was

no lithuanian

lithuania was allowed to be a a republic

in the soviet union

sure

so

the language was preserved

but it doesn't matter lithuanian i think

i i'm going to go ahead and bet that

lithuanian culture was better preserved

under the soviet union than it's being

preserved now where american liberal

globalization is melting away at all

differences i'm gonna make a bet and say

that

lithuania probably preserved its culture

better under the soviet union than it is

today

i don't like modern leftists i don't

like liberalism right now i hate the way

the modern world is looking right now

yeah but i'm

i'm just saying look at lithuania in the

interwar period where it was free

the fucking proudness of the people

the strength of the people how they

loved the country so much that 80 000 of

them

it's it's a small fucking country 80 000

fought for 10 years against the soviets

in the parties anymore

yeah i mean the the numbers the numbers

aren't fully known about how much it's

not i'm just giving on them wait what

what is this the interwar period or the

post-war period

yeah loving this

you're a very thank you for an inspiring

comrade thank you so much

it started in the war and

after the war it progressed a lot and

grew to around 80 000. yeah but this

sounds like the national the type of

national myth-making that a lot of

post-communist states invented

almost in part artificially to create

this independent sense of national

identity

just like ukraine did with bandera and

elsewhere i mean

you may you you may have been taught to

recall the partisan war and the post-war

period as like some glorious struggle of

the partisans but in the soviet era it

was remembered as just a handful of

bandits in the forest just kind of

leftovers fucking around it was making

so much

it was so annoying to the soviets that i

don't know who was the second in command

stalin some

kgb guy or something i don't know area

this guy yeah i think him

he

told stalin maybe we should just let

these baltics go they're making too much

trouble installing stalling well

that's

that's not because of lithuania's

resistance it's because barry uh

didn't want he barry wanted to give

germany back barrio didn't want to

expand the soviet union's

orders a great deal and he also didn't

want to expand the socials block

a great deal in general and he wanted

more approachment with the west and with

america in general

that was like a nice guy but i'm pretty

sure he was a fucking gun

who touched little kids

i those

have not ever been proven or

corroborated yeah i'm just saying i'm

pretty sure he looks like the type of

guy

well

speaking as someone who's not a fan of

baria a lot of shit was made up by the

khrushchev gang

who

overthrew barrier you know

they were they represented the soviet

bureaucracy barrio represented the um

nkvd which wasn't just the secret police

but was like uh

the internal affairs of the soviet union

in general

so there were all sorts of factions that

were fighting each other

and a lot of bullshit was made up by the

victorious faction

khrushchev's faction

i think we kind of straight from the

main point when we started talking about

lithuania

why do you

believe in communism

what

makes you believe that is actually a

good idea to distribute everything

equally and give all the power to some

retarded bureaucrats

that's not what communism is it's not

about distributing anything equally and

bureaucracy is a bad side effect

which the main communist leaders all saw

as a bad side effect and did everything

they could to curtail

leading up to mao who pretty much

smashed most of the soviet era chinese

bureaucracy i mean there's still

bureaucracy in china but they don't have

the power they used to

can you like give me a rough definition

of what you believe communism is but

because communism is when

a government

um

sorry it's not just one the government

it's not just political policy communism

is basically when a country's productive

forces are directed

in such a way

that maximalizes the well-being of the

majority of the people

so without the governments let's say how

would you do that

no you do it with the government but

it's not just

prevent bureaucrats from being corrupted

um

bureaucrats

gain power in a situation

where

communism doesn't really manifest itself

um

in a way that is economically reproduced

by the people which means people aren't

doing anything independently with their

own economic life

to actually reproduce the system they

the whole system is just top down

centralized from the top down based on a

command economy and that's really where

the bureaucracy comes from right but you

have a country like china where people's

everyday activities and everyday

economic activity actually

keeps the system together right

you don't you have less of a need for

that kind of bureaucracy right you can

have more kind of

more decentralized way where the system

can use and then also to be fair to more

utopian thinkers

capitalism you're saying

there's that well they call it markets

right there's that but then there's also

you know talk about super computers and

planning i don't know if you know the

guy paul cockshot

where you know um cybernetics could

allow for these both centralized and

decentralized mechanisms

of basic economic planning scientific

planning of the entire economy that

happens in a decentralized way through

feedback loops and inputs that come from

the consumer level

so there's all sorts of different ways

you can mitigate but the bureaucracy

problem basically comes from when you're

rapidly transitioning from an agrarian

country to a modern country through

um

socialistic and command economy planning

it's not just communism that had that

problem it's pretty much every

you know society had that problem that

japan had that problem communism it

never went away

up until the 90s

it was still a command economy

yeah in this in the soviet-led eastern

bloc uh they never got they never solved

that problem

but

the question is why

okay in china they kind of did yeah

but now they're like

you have no privacy

that's that's not true actually china is

actually spearheading privacy laws

that tech companies and tech platforms

have to abide by where you have to

consent

for any of your data to be taken and and

consumers have far more rights as far as

data protections are concerned

compared to the west if if you're

concerned about government surveillance

and i don't know the extent of it in

china i would be surprised if it was

that

invasive

well i'll tell you what a lot if there's

a lot it's like if there's a lot that's

just because people know about all of it

in america i can guarantee you there's

an equal amount if not

or i don't know if you know about it

fall apart soon what's

that do you believe that china will

fall apart soon

no

no

no

don't you think uh

the one child policy is gonna eventually

show its uh

repercussions

nah that's something that comes from

this youtube essayist i don't know

it's from the infographic show wherever

you got that from no

uh

the population graph

by age

of china

yeah i i i heard that some people are

saying there's a demographic crisis on

the horizon people have been foretelling

the collapse of china for decades and

decades i don't really see why this

would lead to the collapse of china

just don't see why

because

when

the biggest chunk of your population are

how do you say seniors they have to get

pensions and there's not a lot of young

people productive people who work

yeah but that's also mitigated by

automation right in the fact i mean the

reason why you're able to have that

demographic um composition in the first

place

is because of changes in technology and

the way society's production is being

organized right there's not a need for

the same amount of labor as before in

order to reproduce society

true

and also a lot of the things that people

get paid for are not necessarily based

in physical labor that seniors can't

perform so i mean just a lot of things i

mean

the

how we don't even really know how the

bulk of economic value is being produced

in the 21st century and i really have a

hard time believing the majority of that

is through physical labor

look i kind of thought you were like a

real hard line communist yeah

but yeah don't seem like that much of a

communist in reality

you seem like you're not that against

capitalism like most of them are

uh i don't know what it means to be

against capitalism but i definitely

don't think china would have been able

to get to the point that it is now if it

didn't have a command economy in the

beginning because when you're coming

from an agrarian society

have to centralize the forces of

production

and um the means of production most

in order to like um

direct them in such a way so as to like

consciously

um promote industrialization and all

that doesn't just happen

spontaneously you know

in a in a agricultural society so you're

either going to remain backward forever

like a third world country or you go

down the hard path the communist states

took and what you do with that i mean it

varies look at the netherlands

yeah but all of those they were making a

lot of they were

very agrarian for most

their industrialization was slow

you know it was over time they were

getting a lot of benefit from the

agrarian side

yeah but you're talking about the

history of europe so europe had the 30

years war they had all this crazy

history of violence and peasant all you

know protestant reformation before then

europe and then the black death was a

big factor but europe had like this

huge

problem they went through then they

accidentally

stumbled into capitalism

because of its own specific history

other countries don't have that same

history right europe went through a very

chaotic process to arrive at something

like industrial capitalism actually only

the only britain actually arrived at

being an industrial capitalist society

and it's through the banks that were

created by british industrial capitalism

that other countries were able to be

industrialized in the first place

through the loans that they were um

giving out right even germany right

uh

so in an independent path to

industrialization that wasn't reliant on

existing concentrations

of capital

uh

is only possible through communism

there's never been an example in history

of a country pursuing that path

unless they submit to the world economic

system that was created by the british

empire

i think it was the banks who were

leading in this realization i think it

was more so the culture of the english

well no the english the english

arrived at the industrial revolution for

their own reasons well the british

empire was a huge factor in that sea

but yeah they had their own reasons but

then the wealth that they created

through that industrial revolution and

through the british empire i should add

was channeled through those banks

which was then used to give loans to

other countries that they could use to

industrialize so create a lot of wealth

and use some of that wealth to help

other countries

as a as an investment that's what we're

talking about

and uh

by the way

i kind of get why you would like putin

yeah i don't believe that you should uh

you know get banned and twitch and stuff

for believing

in the russian cause or whatever

but

uh why do you see them in the good light

exactly

what i see in in

in the case of russia is i see a people

the majority of whom

are were left behind after the collapse

of the soviet union

their their lifeline is coming from

pensions or government aid or some some

some vestigial

kind of fossil of the past

no one gives a shit about they're not

considered economically useful they're

not considered economically viable and

they're pretty much completely left

behind

and i see in the case of eastern ukraine

a case where russia's

undergoing this internal revolution

where they're trying to make a state for

the people they're they don't care if

these people aren't economically viable

they're gonna wager on forging a state

that represents and defends their

interests

um

investing in them instead of investing

you know most of today's economy is

based in algorithms and wise investments

they say and why is investments that are

based on precedent i see what russia's

doing is that it's investing in its own

people despite the short-term economic

losses that are going to come with that

uh

which there's no data precedent for i

mean if you took blackrock's a.i

and you asked it you know is what

putin's doing wise it would say no right

so i find it very heroic and admirable

that putin

and russia is doing what it's doing

regardless of what the world thinks and

regardless of what the economists think

and regardless of what the technocrats

think according to

globalist neoliberalism

saying putin putin is for the russian

people yeah

as far as

insofar as he's doing what he's doing in

ukraine yes

you said uh you mentioned that uh

the russian people were kind of left

behind after the fall of the soviet

union yeah that they were poor and

didn't have much

yeah

well you know that

that was caused by the oligarchs

because they bought up all the

businesses

you know they were usually

dog the first oligarchs

were criminals in the soviet union

yeah

they were the only ones who had money

when it fell

yeah so they used that money and they

bought up all the businesses

and they got these massive monopolies on

everything

and then

as you said the russian people were left

behind and then putin came in

yes

he did

eliminate some of those oligarchs who

didn't support him

but most of them

or he just made new ones

he's still supported they're still there

of course some of them are getting

killed right now because they don't

support the war

and that's that's what i consider it to

be like this internal revolution is that

i think

putin was fueling this

the poorness of his people you know

he's not exactly i don't i don't think

it was necessarily i think it was it's

not so much putin's actions it's his

lack of action

putin wasn't doing enough for the

russian people and i agree with that

um

and he was not being hard enough on the

oligarchs and

the financial capitalists

in russia and i agree with that but

not being hard enough he was recruiting

them that he was

you know trying to get but you you could

say recruit them another person could

say he was being conciliatory and

compromising with right and it means the

same thing to me he was not

doing enough i agree with that right but

it's about which and where is the

pendulum swinging right and to me the

pendulum is swinging more in the

direction of the russian people

at it at the expense of these oligarchs

which have been a stranglehold on the

russian economy for so long i think this

is going to be at the expense of putin

too because of all the things he didn't

do i think it's going to be at the

expense of putin himself as well it it

may

yeah

it it depends it may right um

it it depends on how far he's willing to

go and whether so for example if putin

compromises and kind of you know

he falls short of the russian people's

aspirations and demands they may turn

against him right who knows but so far

that's not what he represents right now

they're all rallying behind him because

it represents this kind of defense of

russia and russian sovereignty against

the whole western world

it's true that a lot of peop a lot of

russians are rallying with him but

it's also true that

many in a lot of russians are rallying

against him of course they can't say it

right now

not i don't think those russians are a

significant portion of the population i

think

among the westernized segments of the

population there's probably you know a

lot of resentment about the fact that

anti-communism thank you i appreciate

you there's probably a lot of resentment

about the fact that they're not able to

like interact

with the west in the same capacity as

before or have those same connections

and but that you have to understand

that's the ruling class that's kind of

like the upper elite i think for the

majority of the russian people

they're rallying behind

as this war drags on and it's probably

and it probably will you know the

ukrainians are holding them back

relatively well

you know they have a small smaller army

and all so they're doing pretty good

right now as this war drags on more and

more people in russia will feel

the

economic effects of this war and of the

sanctions

and they're gonna you know who are they

gonna blame the ukrainians or the or

putin

i i don't i think when it comes to i

think you're kind of being a little too

materialist right

i think when it comes to a people

choosing sovereignty versus economic

comfort i think sovereignty and pride

will always come from

but people

i don't think people will say like oh

yeah we're just gonna like

give up russia's

deeper aspirations because of the

hardship we're facing right now i think

you know people

put their dignity before anything else

i mean they've been facing hardship with

putin

since crimea

has been going bad

of course it was slowly climbing back up

but it was still

way down since before crimea

so it's been a long time no the opposite

effect has happened crimea and the

recent operation have helped putin i

think they've actually

single-handedly have been responsible

for the

longevity of putin's political career i

think without crimea

and without the recent operation putin

you know putin was being challenged by

his opposition the communists

pretty significantly and severely until

he initiated the special operation

in which case the approval of putin shot

way back up and

communists kind of lost out well

communists are irrelevant

no they're they're the sec they're the

largest opposition party yeah because

every other one who's actually a threat

and gets

eventually poisoned like uh

i forget his name you know the

it was a big story not long ago that

putin poisoned

one of his political

opposition

i don't remember the name

um

yeah there's been a lot of stories about

people getting poisoned and those the

details surrounding those stories are a

bit shady

oh no he didn't get poisoned he

got arrested in an airport i believe oh

you mean navalny

yeah navalny

yeah navalny was never popular

he was never he was polling at like one

percent in russia he was never relevant

or popular he had no potential to ever

represent anything i mean maybe he

represented a hashtag that's only

you're just trusting that no i mean no

western source is actually real

i'm not saying that but i'm just saying

nobody in russia wanted navalny to be

their leader almost no one

but he was still a symbol of the

resistance to putin he was still high

a lot of people behind them i i am not

sure if he's gonna be the president it

matters

the idea i think navalny represented the

western path right and there's a lot of

people in russia who represent the

western path

and

some russians showed some sympathy

toward this before the recent operation

now it's completely gone right

i mean

there they because there was this

illusion people had

that russia could somehow co-exist

within a western

like european-led order and russia could

just be a part of that and they could

have its

it couldn't it could be respected within

that and it's clear that's not possible

the soviet union has to join nato i

believe

because it's an

anti-soviet russian alliance

you can't have two superpowers in one

yeah exactly

so yeah i mean

that's pretty much the point

yeah

well i mean it's 5 am in lithuania so

i'm probably gonna go

better right now

all right now i don't really know what

we can talk about more no

like i said i respect you you're cool i

just don't really believe in the

communist idea you know

yeah that's fine

there's still a lot that has to be

elaborated about communism and

just pointing to china i know it's

really not that convincing right now so

that's pretty fair

in terms of covet

i may have a radical idea of making

china pay for covet because okay

it's a little radical well i i don't

know if i could talk about this on

youtube but i think um you should

definitely do some more

research about the origins of uh a

recent event and i'm not sure china is

actually the culprit but um yeah with

that being said

yeah good talk

yeah see ya man

all right so

with that

right

with that

um

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we actually have a lot to cover

so i was going to cover some stuff about

the republican civil war going on right

now there is a republican civil war and

this is kind of what i wanted to talk

about a little bit which is how there's

this populist uprising

in the gop i mean just very briefly i'll

cover it you know um you have jd vance

in ohio

who

is a populist who was you know

he's being challenged by these

establishment you know he a wealthy

businessman and these kinds of fucking

former state treasury these swamp

creatures who are challenging him in

ohio right and

they're using some criticisms advance

made of trump

the difference is that when vance

critiqued trump he was doing so as an

independent person not someone signaling

to the establishment or submitting to

the establishment right so there's and

the hawthorne news is really just a part

of this bigger context of this civil war

that's going on right now within the gop

right which we should pay a lot of

attention to we shouldn't just assume

it's all the same so vance by the way is

being supported by

peter thiel right

is peter thiel's doing some shit behind

the scenes against these people

and

let me see what this institute

people tell me about this institute

yeah i don't know what

the fuck they're talking about but yeah

theo comes from a specific background

and

it's just yeah

he he supports all these

anti-establishment people behind the

scenes

specifically from the right wing side of

the aisle

and um

yeah the the primaries are approaching

and i think i i don't i really haven't

been covering these enough and i think

that's what i want to start doing

starting tomorrow is i'm going to shift

a little bit from the geopolitical stuff

assuming that there's not

a bunch of breaking news about it and

i'm going to actually start talking more

about these upcoming republican

primaries right because we are seeing

the swamp creatures of the republican

party going after jd vance going after

madison cawthorne going after a bunch of

other people i imagine we're going to

cover all of it i want to do an in-depth

analysis of this stuff because it's

fucking important you understand

now anyway the main nuke of today is

actually not going to be about domestic

politics it's going to be about the

situation going on in surprise ukraine

okay

so the first item of importance i want

to talk about

which i don't see a lot of people

talking about is how

before any of this shit happened in case

so a lot of people are just trying to

paint this picture that russia is

somehow

you know just this blanket aggressor

that wants to take ukraine and all of

its actions have reflected the intention

on part of russia of breaking up ukraine

and reclaiming novorossiya and you know

that they were the sinister russians

were scheming and plotting to take

ukraine from the very beginning well i i

have some evidence to present that goes

in the opposite direction of that and

you know the results may actually shock

you right so

dmitry peskov in december 26th of 2021

and this is just as far back as i

decided to go today with minimal

research said this

the conflict in donbass should not be

resolved by military means otherwise

there'll be a question of ukrainian

statehood

so the russians are clearly saying

listen we don't want to have it to get

to this point where we have to call into

question the existing territories and

borders of ukraine as a state

but if we don't solve this problem in

the donbass right

this is going to be called into question

this was in december before russia had

ever laid a foot

on ukrainian soil at least in the form

of its official

special operation

so it's just crazy how brazen

and reckless ukraine's leadership has

been acting despite countless warnings

that have been coming from the russian

side

um to stop what you're doing or there's

going to be a question of ukrainian

statehood and what did zelinski do what

did the ukrainian government do no

no

they kept acting like they had fucking

leverage of some kind when they didn't

it was extremely irresponsible and

misleading as far as the ukrainian

people were concerned right because if

you're gonna act this way it sounds like

you have some guns to back it up but

the truth of the matter is that

throughout the entire duration of this

conflict with russia

ukraine has been acting like a whiny

little bitch

i'm gonna show you

the exact person who epitomizes in my

view this whiny little bitch stance of

ukraine this

whining bitch made baby ass little bitch

shit right

and it's this guy

so i don't know if you know who this guy

is

and he's at the u.n he represents

train at the security council i mean

let's just see you'll have it here here

he is here he is this is the fucking guy

clemens this guy this guy right here

right here i don't know if you ever he

heard this guy talking before refugees

but

let's hear him talk antonio

and finally to flee

from when russia has been doing is

really disrespectful and russia better

stop doing right now

and russia and he just like sounds like

a whiny little baby bitch and i just i i

know it's a little immature i don't give

a fuck i really wanted to talk about

this i really wanted to talk about how

fucking annoying this guy is

and how much his voice epitomizes the

vanity of the stance of the ukrainian

leadership they have been given multiple

opportunities to stop fooling around and

stop fucking around and get serious

about getting to the negotiation table

with the people in the dawn bass or

they're going to risk the very future of

ukraine

and if you don't know this we are now

looking at a scenario in which the

novorossiya whole of novorossiya so

that's the whole of the donbass the

whole of the donetsk the whole of the

luhansk and southern ukraine

uh mariupol

us quite possibly odessa so that there's

going to be a border with transnistria

all of that is going to be taken and

annexed by russia and ukraine won't have

a claim to it any longer

that is that is the concrete and

material result of the actions of the

ukrainian leadership you don't fucking

believe me

all you have to do is look at the fact

that the russian side has been

persistently warning the ukrainians that

this was going to be the inevitable

outcome now if this was russia's

intention all along just to annex and

swallow up these parts of ukraine you'd

think they would have kind of kept that

intention under wraps

rather than directly tell the ukrainians

that that's not something we want to

have to

it's not a level of escalation we want

to have to get to we'd much rather

prefer you get to the negotiation table

and settle things out and hash things

out with the people in the donbass but

no the ukrainians decided not to listen

they decided that

instead they were going to be whiny

little bitches who keep pleading to

europe and the west as if europe gives a

fuck and as if europe's going to do

anything except use ukraine use and

abuse ukraine right and they didn't want

to cooperate and do that and where did

this come from at this point you kind of

have to get to a psychological type of

analysis because where this really comes

from

is this type of exuberance this type of

arrogance this type of

stuck-up mentality that comes up with

thinking you're somehow more civilized

and more western and more favored in the

eyes of the anglo-saxon masters of the

world than the russians it literally

comes from a place of pure hubris that

the western ukrainians decided that they

were not going to sit at the table with

the russians they were not going to

implement the minsk agreements that they

themselves agreed to they were going to

continue to keep up the public front

they were going to join nato and they

were going to not even seed a single

inch or centimeter despite not having

any fucking leverage whatsoever to back

that stance up at all this idea of

having this like unconditional posturing

stance where you're just gonna say no

i'm not gonna work what leverage do you

fucking have we're gonna fight to the

very last man i mean that sounds poetic

that sounds like some western ancient

greece greek strategy of the 300

spartans were out of their values they

decided to sacrifice themselves to the

very last man because they didn't want

to compromise

but when you translate that into the

actual modern world in reality and up

the scale from like a few people the

snake island 13 which by the way was a

made-up story if you didn't know that to

an entire fucking country of like tens

of millions of people it's an extremely

childish and irresponsible

form of posturing right which leads to

the deaths of thousands of people leads

to the displacement of millions and

leads to a geopolitical catastrophe so

in the real world you don't get to act

like a hero of some greek tragedy where

you go no despite not having any

leverage whatsoever we're not going to

compromise or cede an inch to russia

we're not going to compromise anything

we're yeah that's something you can only

do if you have leverage ukraine didn't

have any fucking leverage they ca and

even more despicable and pathetic about

the fact that ukraine didn't have any

fucking leverage is the fact that they

pretended like they did they didn't even

go down the path of just saying our

principles are enough we'll sacrifice

ourselves to the last man

it's also the fact that they hid behind

nato in the west acting like nato was

gonna come to their rescue and back them

up in the event of this fucking commerce

confrontation which embarrassingly

didn't turn out to be the fucking case

and now we can see the concrete and

material results of ukraine's posturing

and its actions and what do you know

it's led to a complete disaster where

millions of people's lives have been

displaced a ton of infrastructure within

ukraine has been destroyed um

thousands and thousands of people have

been killed and tens of thousands i

imagine have been injured i mean

and all for what when you maintain this

heroic greek posture

you're not taking into account the fact

that this isn't just your call your

decision is affecting women and children

it's affecting civilians who don't agree

with you it's affecting people who would

rather actually be with russia it's

affecting people who don't think it's

worth it there's nothing heroic about

that whatsoever it's a high form of

cowardice especially considering the

fact

that this fucker right here people like

this fucker are not doing any of the

fighting themselves he's gonna be cozy

sitting behind his fucking desk at the

u.n while he postures in this fucking

way with this fake and false bravado

using the ukrainian people as

sacrificial lambs with which to hide

behind

when you poke the russian bear and incur

a response that's actually exactly what

the azov terrorists are doing in

mariopol and azov stall where they're

holding

allegedly thousands of civilians hostage

in tunnels which they're not allowing to

evacuate or be freed from now that's

going to be an item on our agenda a

little later

in the coverage but i want you to keep

that in mind and keep that in your head

because we're going to get to that and

actually cover that

a lot more depth

later on in the stream

now if you didn't think that was enough

after weeks after the special military

operation i mean after russian soldiers

were you know

close to kiev and pretty much

way farther into ukraine than just the

dawn bass where they had every

opportunity

to do whatever they fuck they wanted

they even issued another warning

so on march 5th

which was last month putin directly said

that if the ukrainian leadership

continues to do what they are doing

it will call into question the future of

their statehood and this will be

entirely their responsibility

so again they were warned again even

after russia had initiated its

intervention how did the ukrainian side

act they projected the same level of

western hubris that got them to the

point of the russian special military

operation in the first place we don't

care what you're saying russia it's all

a bluff i mean what this is really the

basic pathology of the western arrogance

and hubris when your adversary wants to

sit at the table and negotiate something

with you you take it for weakness or you

just you completely

annihilate the other and just say we

don't negotiate with terrorists

we don't negotiate with putin we don't

negotiate you have to in the world you

have to be a fucking grown-up and

negotiate people who define the region

that you're governing over you do have

to negotiate with the people you fucking

share a region with if you want to put

what's in the best interests of your own

people

in the front now this again ukraine's

posturing

may be heroic to some fucking twitter

dumb fucks living in america who don't

know anything about the history the

culture the tradition

anything relating to the region

whatsoever

but again the concrete implication to

that is what the concrete implication

is

a devastating loss

of livelihood for the ukrainian people

you know it's just

it's so pathetic it's so disgusting

how

the lives of ukrainians on the ground

ukrainian civilians was gambled with by

the ukrainian government they i mean

march 5th again we are now at a point

and i'm telling you guys this because

this is really the story of today

yes ukraine as we know it is gone i told

you about that yesterday thank you

tristan jones

so much um nova garcia is going to be

returned back to russia

and you know odessa will probably be

taken and it's just like a line there's

no going back from right i doubt this is

ever this is

this is a rubicon that you can't go back

from it's been crossed already right

now the real question is though how did

we get to this point because recently

right i mean ukraine

has accused russia of imperialism right

what did ukraine say about

russia's plans on taking southern

ukraine so this is what the ukrainian

leadership said kiev accuses moscow of

imperialism after russian flags

interest in southern ukraine

right

and they say

this is this is a form i mean this is

the problem with the western hubris that

i'm talking about so they're they're

they they they keep coming up with new

forms of bitching but they don't get to

the fundamental meat and potatoes of how

you got here in the first place so first

when russia initiated the special

military operation what did ukraine say

can you guys hear me like really listen

closely and pay attention to what i'm

saying here hear me out okay

hear me out

when this first started okay

ukraine said that russia is hitler and

it's the worst thing in the world and

we're not going to negotiate with them

and now a month later when russia

decides to express interest in southern

ukraine after they had already given

ukrainians the chance to negotiate about

this ukraine is fuming with indignation

about the imperialism of russia

now if you didn't catch that let me

break it down to you why that is so

fucking

irrational right

the reason that's so fucking irrational

lies in the fact

hold on give me a fucking second

mods get rid of these fucking dumb fucks

in my chat

i don't know what the fuck you're doing

get rid of these stupid fucking pedo

bitch

dumb fuck scum in my chat

alright

now the reason that's so fucking

irrational

lies in the fact

that you already decided that russia was

the worst thing in the world

should be annihilated isn't worthy of

negotiating with isn't worthy of having

any dialogue with you already decided

that the other russia was literally

satan so

why are you acting surprised when russia

does things that you consider oh no

russia just massacred a bunch of people

oh no russia just did this russia did

just did that hold on how was that

breaking news you had already decided

preemptively that russia was the worst

fucking thing in the world and now what

i mean you've ran

your words don't have any meaning

anymore you're choosing russia of

imperialism well you already called

putin hitler you already called them

fucking nazis you already called them

the worst thing in the world how is how

did how was the bar get any fucking

worse when you've already painted them

with this broad brush of dehumanization

and refusal to negotiate refusal to sit

and talk or concede or compromise even

an inch you're going to be this greek

hero who just you know we're going to

sacrifice ourselves to the last man and

zelinski said or some dumb shit that

they've been fucking saying so now when

russia says okay

we're looking at the situation in

southern ukraine where most people do

want to join russia and you know what

we're going to have southern ukraine now

you're decrying and accusing russia of

imperialism but the russians warned you

about this on march 5th okay and that's

to say nothing about even earlier than

march 5th

but

march 5th

russia warned you about this russia told

you that if you continue down the path

you're currently on

then the ramifications are going to be

that ukrainian statehood is going to be

called for question and how did you

respond to what putin said

we don't care what you say poo and

you're literally hitler then when he

fucking does it all of a sudden you care

now

so you care now but you didn't care back

in march 5th

right because you were operating under

the arrogant

assumption that nato's gonna come to

your rescue and you don't have to

negotiate with russia because you're

gonna you're gonna destroy and kick

russia's ass i mean this is a common

theme in common pattern we even saw in

mariupol in maryupol right what did we

see we said we're not going to surrender

we're not going to negotiate we're going

to abandon

the nazis the nazis of mary opal acted

like greek heroes now that they're being

cornered in as of stall with no escape

what's going on now the ukrainian

government is appealing to the

humanitarians

at putin please open a corridor and

they're using human shields oh the

civilians

listen what what you why didn't you keep

that same energy you had before

why didn't you just keep that same

fucking energy you had before

when you decided

that the russians

you know what i mean you already decided

these people were satan and they were

the fucking devil and they're they're

not worthy of any negotiation they're

not worthy of any dialogue they're not

worthy of any cooperation

and now what

now you're gonna cry and act like you're

surprised surprised pikachu face

this is the western hubris that i'm

talking about western hubris is when you

paint your enemy

in a completely dehumanized way where

they're orcs and you're not gonna

negotiate whatever and then you have a

surprised pikachu face when they decide

to do things that violate the

conventions of an otherwise negotiated

agreement

and it's such a common fucking thing

and it's like you philosophers could

write books about this

mentality and it really is this kind of

like ideological

psychological form of stupidity that

western ukrainians have duped themselves

into adopting because they want to be

civilized europeans even though the

europeans will never accept them because

they consider them backward slavs just

like russians are and they're being used

that doesn't seem to matter though right

yeah and it's

like speaking of as of stall which is

what we're talking about here

right

so we covered this yesterday about how

putin orders troops to seal marijuana's

last defenders and thousands of

civilians oh my god putin's just this

evil horrible man who's closing people

into tombs what a ruthless horrible guy

oh putin's so evil what a what an

asshole what a horrible person right i

mean that's what you think if you listen

to the media and if you listen to

the daily mail

but

as far as what russia has actually been

saying we haven't seen a fucking

response so

the russian ministry of defense issued

this statement today where they said

the situation in mary opal has

normalized

residents of the city have been able to

move freely through the streets without

hiding from ukrainian nazi shelling

humanitarian aid is being delivered food

water and basic necessities the

authorities of the dunetsk people's

republic are organizing the clearing of

the streets from rubble and the removal

of damaged ukrainian military equipment

all the remnants of the ukrainian as of

nazis together with foreign mercenaries

from the usa and european countries are

securely blocked on the territory of the

azov stall plant

our demands to release women and

children

allegedly staying with them for free

departure in any direction are ignored

by the nazis so russia is not only

saying yeah we will allow them to leave

they are demanding that women and

children be released

and they're being completely ignored

that's not being reported in the western

press

no what's being reported in the western

press is this false bravado and false

heroism of azov stall is still ukraine

did you any of you guys see that fucking

picture that they posted on twitter let

me show it to you it's so fucking

pathetic let me show you that picture

that they posted to twitter to try and

posture and say that oh as of stall is

still ukraine so heroic

so heroic

oh look at the heroism

ukrainian fighters hold out an azov

stall such heroes hiding behind me women

and children that they refuse to allow

let go to safety they say

we are such heroes and

we're gonna fight to the very last women

and child

what heroes what fucking heroes if

you're such fucking heroes release the

women and children and then you can

fight to the last man

how was this fucking heroic

i'm gonna make a tweet about this

i'm actually baffled

i'm actually baffled that

as of terrorists as of nazis are being

called

pulled up in azov stall are being called

heroes

if they're such heroes why don't they

release the women and children

and fight to the last man after

what's heroic about using women and

children as hostages

literally what is so fucking heroic

about what they're doing

what is so fucking heroic about that

our demands to release women and

children

are being ignored the order and they're

giving an order they're demanding it

it's not just that they're allowing for

it it's something that they're demanding

of the exit of civilians if they are

indeed there from the territory of as of

still for further evacuation is reported

to the nazis on an hourly basis so every

fucking hour they're telling these

people release the women and children

release the women and children release

the women and children release the women

and children and they're falling on

completely deaf ears

and they dare accuse russia of not being

willing to open quarters no russia is

being is is more than willing to allow

for women and children to evacuate what

they're not willing to do is allow for

as of neo-nazi terrorists to flee

alongside them why would russia allow

these terrorists to flee when they're

just going to kill more russians

it's such despicable cowardly fucking

behavior that's just like it baffles the

fucking mind that anyone could conceive

of that as somehow fucking heroic right

um so it's on an hourly basis it's not

just you know uh they didn't just tell

them once on an hourly basis and this

information information is also being

communicated to the representatives of

the kiev regime through the deputy prime

minister so the ki of regime which is

constantly bitching about russia and

telling russia they have to open up a

corridor and also bitching to the west

and the foreign press right

they could easily communicate to those

as of nazis to stand down

or could they

because that operates under the

assumption that the ukrainian government

are the people in control

the truth is that they're not the truth

is that the wild thugs of azov these

neo-nazi thugs and criminals

are actually the ones in power the

ukrainian government has no power

whatsoever to strong-arm or reign those

people in they do whatever the fuck they

want and if the ukrainian government

tells them to stand down

the ukrainian government will be

overthrown

make no mistake of who's actually in

fucking power here as in almost every

case right political power comes out of

the barrel of the gun

who has the guns in ukraine right now

it's the azov nazis and hitler right

criminals those are the people with guns

therefore those are the people in power

not the ukrainian government

the retention by the as of nazis and

foreign mercenaries of civilian hostages

if there are any

proves that they are not defenders but

utter terrorists

in connection to this the u.s state

department speakers attempts to lie

about the nazi rabble's alleged

retention of control over mariopol are

fake and directly aiding and abetting

terrorists at the highest level of

government

the state department is habitually

misinforming its own citizens and

everyone else

ukraine itself its inhabitants in

mariupol and other cities are of

interest to washington only in the

profits from armed suppliers and the

fight against russia at least to the

last ukrainian as washington and all its

satellites repeat with the help of the

state department

so again if they were actually

interested in the humanitarian concern

of the people trapped in as of stall

right

then you would release the women and

children and as of they won't do that

because the ukrainian nazis hold up

there know that they're going to be

captured

if they release the women and children

because russia will simply storm his off

stall and won't have any more hesitation

so this is the position they're putting

russia in if russia storms is off stall

there's going to be a lot of human

tragedies

which they're going to use

pornographically as war material to

further demonize russia

this is the sick reptilian criminal

brains and mentality of the kiev junta

and the neo-nazi criminals running

ukraine

almost

in a lizard-like reptilian way

they are using human tragedies as

material for war

to bombard western audiences with

with absolutely no human regard for the

civilians trapped in azov stall

within their hearts they don't give a

fuck about the women and children

trapped in there they are banking on an

investment that they can either use

the deaths of some of those people as

pornography with which to further

demonize russia

or

they can use them as their one-way

ticket out of his off stall and to

safety

at which point they will continue to

shoot and kill

russian soldiers and terrorize russian

civilians and also

not face any accountability for the war

crimes and criminal actions they were

responsible for in mariupol and

elsewhere

now the cherry on top of this entire

thing is when you contrast

this type of posturing

with the bravado

with the arrogance

and with the stance these same as off

terrorists had in the past few weeks

before they found themselves in this

situation of being cornered and as off

stall we're gonna fight to the last man

we're gonna beat the russians back

oh we failing grab the women and

children we're gonna take them

underground

that's fucking heroic

maybe there's a different cultural

conception of heroism between russia and

the western world

but as far as i'm fucking concerned as

an american who was born here i don't

consider that heroic at all i consider

that

the utmost cowardice of fucking criminal

bandit wild animals who have no sense of

honor or dignity whatsoever you act like

a tough guy who's gonna fight to the

last man and you're gonna act like this

isis terrorist who's willing to yeah but

but then you're gonna take the women and

children as hostages what a fucking

brave man you are

what a brave soldier and a brave man you

really fucking are

right it's absolutely fucking pathetic

i mean we're witnessing

an unprecedented level

of criminality

and terrorism

i mean why don't we reverse the rules

reverse the rules here

let's say that russia

was the culprit

and you had russian soldiers who took

civilians

underground and won't let the civilians

i mean how would the western press

report on this if the roles were

reversed let's say these were donetsk

militiamen instead of as of nazis how do

you think ukraine in the west would be

reporting on this right

and the most disgusting thing of all

ladies and gentlemen

is that

you would be able to report on that on

twitch if it was donetsk militiamen

doing the exact same thing as the azov

nazis you could report on that on twitch

and say oh what horrible people but for

me to report on what the azov is doing

here that would be a bannable offense on

twitch.tv that's a bannable offense oh

it's okay if it's the donetsk militiamen

doing something bad but if you report on

what the azoff terrorists are doing

you're gonna get censored and

de-platformed twitch is gonna ban you

streamlabs is not gonna process

donations for you stream elements is

gonna ban you

the hammer is gonna come down on you

you're gonna get

completely de-platformed you don't even

deserve to feed yourself anymore how

dare you

how dare you

i wanna look one of these people in the

fucking eye and ask them hey

do you think it's honorable

to use women and children as human

shields

do you think that it's criminal

for for someone to use women and

children as shields

where

you're not going to actually let them

leave

because you just want to save your own

skin is that somehow honorable in your

eyes

happy easter us

thank you gabriel appreciate you so much

there's nothing fucking honorable about

that whatsoever

it's it's the

pinnacle of cowardice right

that's something that if if people just

knew about what was going on in azov

stall it would make

the azov terrorists look so bad but like

i said guys this is an information war

where nobody actually has any concern or

care about the truth

what they're actually concerned with is

doing the best they can

to make russia look bad

make ukraine look good

and it has nothing to do with truth and

they've admitted this they've admitted

that this is an infowar they've admitted

that ukraine won the infomore with the

stories about the ghost of kiev and the

snake island 13 all outright

fabrications just like they're now

fabricating the lie that russia is the

one who's endangering civilians and has

off stall and keeping them trapped there

rather than the fucking as off

terrorists who won't let these innocent

people go

they simply won't let these fucking

people go

holy fuck

thank you matteo can't wait for the next

rambo sequel good american guy fighting

alongside nazis against russians is

gonna effing sick

yeah appreciate you man yeah i wouldn't

surprise me i mean it's kind of funny

like they've never made any

i think i made a tv show where isis were

the good guys there was like this show

on fx called uh tyrant where like these

like isis fanatics were actually the

good guys something like that

it's kind of funny i don't know

but um

if more americans were informed about

this if the international community as

they like to call it was informed about

the situation as of stall i think that

would actually put pressure to release

those civilians i think an international

campaign should start where people talk

more about azov stall talk more about

the civilians trapped in his off stall

and petition the ukrainian government to

put pressure on their wild animal

neo-nazis

to release those people

and we're the bad guys mind you i have

to get the platform from twitch i have

to be the platform from all these

payment processing

systems right streamlabs has to ban me

stream elements has to ban me i have to

get totally de-platformed we're the bad

guys because we're the people who are

saying leave women and children out of

it if you want to fight russia go ahead

and fight russia fight them on your own

we can't convince you you're neo-nazi

fanatics whatever do it on your own

stop using women and children as

hostages though

and the cowardice is this it's that

russians are not barbarians russians

aren't going to go and kill women and

children locked in as off stall russia

doesn't want to go and harm civilians

and that's the only fucking thing that's

keeping russia from storming as of stall

it's the only fucking thing

the only reason russia is not now

storming as off stall

is because of this

thank you johnny so much

appreciate you man

that's the only fucking reason it's it's

it's insanity it's crazy it's actually

insane

it's the only fucking reason

the only fucking reason

that russia is not storming as hostile

is because they don't want to hurt

civilians and the azov terrorists

literally know that

nobody cares

absolutely nobody cares about this

nobody's talking about it nobody's

covering it i mean yeah there's a great

deal of people on our side of the aisle

that are covering it but as far as the

mainstream press is concerned as far as

the international community is concerned

nobody's talking about it nobody cares

about the lives that are actually

trapped under there in a soft stall all

they care about is doing what benefiting

the azov terrorists and benefiting the

azov nazis with more morale and more

pornographic overtures and sucking them

off about how fucking heroic they are i

mean did you guys see this pathetic shit

i have to show you won't even fucking

believe it i have to show it to you

it's that is one fight i can't believe i

can't find it right now

it might have deleted it out of shame

and embarrassment i hope that's the

fucking reason

let me see if i can find it

again if you want a picture of what azov

stall looks like

this is the whole complex and this is

the network of underground tunnels that

these civilians are being held hostage

in which russia is demanding the release

of because they're cornered from all

sides there's no escape of this without

you know

being received by russian troops or

being captured by russian troops so the

azov nazis have no nothing they can do

except hold these civilians as hostage

it's almost like a bank robbery where

they're holding the civilians hostage

nobody step any foot further or the

civilians get hit

it's exactly what's going on

that's exactly what's going on here

i i can't believe i can't find that

photo

they said azov stole here it is here it

is i think i found it this is it here it

is this is the photo i was talking about

i can't believe i couldn't find it

but yeah

um

here you go azov stall is ukraine

thank you yellow on its way to michigan

thank you so much galo appreciate you

man and um yeah tomorrow the weather is

gonna be beautiful but guys guess what

because i gotta focus on the channel

right now and i'm like in a really bad

precarious situation

um i am not taking tomorrow off

i usually take saturday saturdays off to

go um visit family

and tomorrow i'm not taking the day off

i'm going to be streaming tomorrow i'm

going to be streaming

i'm gonna be streaming until next

saturday at which point i'll take a day

off but i'm gonna be grinding every

single day right

so you can look forward to that

especially since the last few days i've

only been streaming for like two hours

per day right so yeah you can look

forward to me streaming every single day

right

but um

and it's not as much work as before

because these are just four hour streams

right so you know it's not it's not like

i'm streaming six hours continuous

non-stop youtube level engagement

or you know five to eight hours like i

was before playing video games or any

kind of shit like that like i'm actually

you know two hours on youtube is like

four hours on twitch right so

yeah

anyway this is the as of stall is

ukraine and what a heroic picture except

you're missing all of these civilians

and women and children below this guy's

feet

who are being fucking trapped

what is fucking heroic about it just

actually pisses me off like what is

actually fucking heroic about this shit

what is so fucking heroic about having

civilians trapped under your fucking

feet and holding them hostage and using

them

while posturing as some fucking hercules

type of hero oh you're such a big tough

fucking hero

using the you think russia's scared of

you little bitch they're not fucking

scared of you they actually care about

the civilians you're holding hostage

make no fucking mistake about it if you

didn't have these civilians you're

holding hostage russo would storm your

plant

and it would be game over for the

fucking neo-nazis hold up their like

fucking rats and rodents

and you think russia's scared of this

guy you think this guy's a fucking tough

hero that russell's scared of no they're

not you're using civilians as fucking

hostages and it's the only fucking

deterrent to russia storming this place

and the world deserves to fucking know

that

it's actually insane that people don't

fucking know that

what fucking cowards it's unbelievable

it's actually unbelievable

this is i this is a i don't i don't know

i mean this is a humanitarian crisis

guys how do you rescue those civilians

these ass off people they got nothing to

lose because if russia captures them

they're either going to be put on trial

for their war crimes they're going to be

taken as prisoners of war and and who

knows what else so they don't really

have anything to lose these are fanatics

who don't give a fuck it's just that

these women and children

who are completely innocent i mean what

how do you rescue these people it's it's

it's like uh it's a classic

counter-terrorism operation of hostage

rescue situation it's a complete

you know and i i heard something before

that most hostage

rescue operations don't work this is the

tragedy right

these people have no honor they're wild

animals they're animals

they don't have anything to fucking lose

and they're more they're more than

willing

to use women and children and civilians

um

as hostages

uh

you know

and prevent anyone from fucking leaving

to the very we're gonna fight to the

very last women and child

is basically what they're fucking saying

here we're gonna fight to the very last

women and child if it's the last thing

we do

we'll fight to the last women and child

if it's the last thing we do

is that's basically what they're saying

here right that's heroism

we have different definitions of heroism

um

now on top of that

the russian ministry of defense is also

reporting

that you the ukrainian side is preparing

another false flag war crime accusation

so in the urban village of

bosc

bosque

region

on the instructions of the afu command

they staged the filming of acts of

looting allegedly committed by the

russian military against civilians

fighters of the 191st battalion of the

103rd territorial defense brigade

dressed in russian uniforms using

vehicles with a z sign were demonstrably

looting private homes and filming their

crimes on cell phones

moscow warns that the civilized west in

advance

that this latest fabrication by kiev

about russian atrocities is to be spread

through objective and independent

western media

now this actually might be a deterrent

for the media to pick this shit up and

do it because like

the ministry of defense has already

reported on it

but who knows most of the time when the

ministry of defense

issues these warnings it doesn't happen

so they catch them before it fucking

happens because you know the way that

these info warriors are they're like

rats they're fucking rodents right they

scurry around they catch russia by

surprise with some insane fucking fake

allegation which the russians you know

because they don't have any time to

defend themselves event they inevitably

become incriminated and accused of shit

they didn't fucking do because they just

don't have time to preemptively act and

they say no we didn't do that so russia

keeps track of all this like rat shit

that ukraine is doing where they're

staging all this shit they're doing all

this kind of stuff and russia basically

says hey we weren't giving you a heads

up ukraine's planning on blaming us for

some bullshit that they fucking staged

in this village

and usually that's kind of like a

deterrent

most of the time i think

i could be wrong and i could have missed

it or maybe the stories didn't go as

viral because again that russian

pre-emptive um

sorry those russian pre-emptive actions

but um

yeah i mean that's basically

how this pattern has been going i mean

usually when russia says they're about

to stage some shit we don't hear about

in the news and the things we do hear

about are the things russia wasn't able

to catch so again they're acting like

fucking rodents and sneaky little

snake-like fucking rats

and all this is to worship the golden

calf by the way of the west oh the

western ideals allow us to do anything

civilian doesn't matter no honor

anything all for the golden calf of the

dream of europe

act like fucking wild animals

for what

holy shit and void burn for some reason

it's not reading your super chat

you might have said some bad words but

holy fuck thank you so much and i'm

gonna read out your super chat so

voidburn says i'm behind you all the way

don't ever let these pharisees these

deceitful absolute scum fuck bastards

ever hold you down cause doubt within

your soul or deter you from expressing

your truth the truth may be painful for

some but it liberates us all voidburn

thank you so much for that donation holy

fuck

um

thank you so much man i appreciate that

so much

um

that's very much uh

so appreciated man thank you

thank you insane donation

insane donation

right

um thank you so much man

but um yeah in the urban village of

so yeah they're warning about this

happening preemptively right

and

hopefully this doesn't it it will it'll

be a deterrent for them to spread the

latest i mean aren't you guys getting

fucking exhausted every time they like

spread this bullshit and they just do

this shit we're like oh my god ladies i

mean doesn't it kind of like fucking

bother you a little bit or just at least

it's it's like

it got to the point for me where i

stopped covering it because i was

getting so sick of the barrage of lies i

was like okay clearly like

we can't address all of these claims at

once so i'm just gonna say that they're

all bullshit and move on right because

there's so much of it

thankfully

there is another team there is another

side to this info war of people

valiantly fighting against

is barrage of propaganda there's been a

division of labor where people are

left and right confronting the

propaganda addressing it and responding

to it

and that is all thanks to the fact that

you guys

right it's all thanks to you guys really

it's thanks to the fact that we have a

community

which is backing us up

through thick and thin right

i mean um

that's what i consider to be like the

fact that there's some people that are

able to see past the fucking propaganda

that's incredible that's a level of

resilience right that you just would not

expect from this type of internet

but i mean again the only weapon they

have at their fucking disposal

censorship

and the platforming the only reason

you're able to get to see this fucking

news presented in this fucking way is

because we're not being censored or

de-platformed yet right that's the only

real weapon

they

they have at their disposal i want to

remind you guys

none of them want to debate about this

that piece of shit adam something won't

debate me about it adam something's a

fucking pussy he lied and said that me

and jackson avoided a debate with him

actually he's the one who fucking ran

away and wouldn't debate about anything

we wanted to debate him i still want to

debate that guy

he's still running away we have all the

receipts and dm's through it so none of

these people will debate about this

topic they're all too fucking scared

they just channel their resentment and

anger and um

bitterness

through other means and through other

forms

right

so that's what they fucking do

it's all resentment bitterness and anger

you know i got completely d platformed

from twitch

that's a debate now isn't it oh you're

so willing to debate me about this topic

you have to go and fucking de-platform

me and censor me right and the most

pathetic thing of all is like you'd

think since almost all of my growth

has been on twitch that that would have

been the end of me

but it hasn't somehow it hasn't somehow

we're still here and i have about half

of the views i had on twitch but still

half

is more than nothing right especially

because it's an entirely new platform

all of the growth i made on twitch was

on twitch those were twitch viewers on

twitch by the way not youtube viewers

there's a strong core of 300 people that

make this possible

um

and it's the only reason i'm still here

it's because of those 300 spartans that

make this shit possible in the first

place right

and you know this is going to be a big

test of endurance because if we endure

if we endure through this we'll endure

through anything right

if we grow through this we'll grow

through anything this is going to be the

test of whether or not we can survive on

another platform because after let's say

i grow on youtube and prove i can do

that

that'll incentivize me to say you know

what if youtube de-platforms me i'll go

on rumble i'll go on another fucking

platform and we'll grow all over again

right

but until then we have our core of 300

spartans

you know i appreciate your guys's

support so much i appreciate all the

donations not just the donations i just

appreciate the people sticking around

the og's the real ones that stick around

instead of the pussies who fucking

what

all fled and scattered like mice

the minute the opportunity

presented itself to

right do that

so anyway

uh this is kind of a little more minor

in the news but it is something i do

think is worth reporting on the very

least

and that ladies and gentlemen

is something a little spooky

in the spirit of um

in april halloween i guess well

apparently

now i don't know if you guys know this

but the as off terrorists are nazis so

nazis are pagans

and pagans are also big into the occult

right

it's on their ruins it's on their

symbols it makes up their ideology these

are pagans they're into the occult

hate christianity they're absolutely

enemies of christianity in every

possible and conceivable way right

and that's basically what you're dealing

with here right

thank you tristan appreciate

but i like your passion thanks for

teaching us about things not spoken

about in the msm also de-radicalizing us

from western prop thank you so much

tristan appreciate you so much

thank you anonymous i appreciate it so

much man thank you

um

so here you go

this is an actual azov pagan occult site

is

thank you so much man appreciate it

appreciate you so much

so this is the spooky weird

pagan

occult site

as of set up and

i we're going to talk about this because

i really think if you let it seep in to

what extent

this is actually like

well i'll let the videos

um

the 300 spartans will follow us wherever

he goes thank you johnny appreciate you

so much let me tell you guys something

this is actually fucking insane

so

when you actually try and think about

like what fundamental worldview can a

human being have

that leads them to have such a level of

criminal depravity and evil just

outright human evil

as the as of terrorists and the rest of

them right

when you start thinking about these

things you ask the basic question

of

they express this evil it's not just

like blank 300 spartans cannot be

stopped infrared will rise to the sun

truth and knowledge are on our side not

the troglodyte liberals thank you so

much you appreciate you man

yeah it's it's it's really a matter here

of

they give expression to their evil they

have encyclopedias

of their evil right it's actually like

very specific and it's in the form of

this paganism this paganism is like the

different gods that they worship and

this occult sickening shit i mean it's

really weird how you can just be like

this you can just be like this ragged

bandit terrorist on the ground and

somehow you're getting the same level of

like wavelength and frequency as far as

like your this fundamental evil is

concerned as our own pagan elites it's

like they have this paganism in common

where they're just worshiping these

bizarre forces

that lead to the same outcomes and the

same types of behaviors

and the same types of anti-human

depravity it's like

what does it actually mean to be a pagan

like the azov people and worship all

these demonic entities and worship all

these different fucking gods well if you

ask me it means to worship the same

things that are elites worship it means

to tap into the vital source

of american hegemony right this

internet media cultural hegemony they

have and that they exercise over you

know hundreds of millions of people

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cool

within the pagan system but ultimately

being pagan is about causing a

consequence on the material world

through the act of sacrifice thank you

vary sattva and it just kind of sounds

scary to me like

causing an act through sacrifice it's

like

that's a little scary i don't know it

just sounds

i mean what our azov sacrificing

women and children in the bottom of us

off stall

you know it's like it's just

just spooky stuff

but thank you so much for the super chat

um

having bataille flashbacks about

sacrifice

by the

way damn

sacrifice

sacrifice

damn

damn

damn

damn

no further comment but damn i can't

really talk about it

but um

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all right so we have been able to kind

of like

paint a pretty specific

in-depth

kind of deep dive into what's been going

on in azov stall recently and what's

been going on as far as the future of

ukraine and the region but it's always

opportunities like this where we need to

take a step back a little bit and we

need to ask tougher questions like

how did we get here

and what is the fundamental and

underlying history

of what's happened here right

how did we get to a point where nova

russia is going back to russia and how

did we get to a point

where

ukraine as a state is no longer going to

exist

i am not really satisfied with

moralistic pictures of good or evil what

i want to set about to do today and what

i want to accomplish definitively

is actually

engage in a type of materialist analysis

of the history of russia and ukraine

following the fall of the soviet union

leading up to the events

of the maidan coup

and the implications that this has

for russia i think you got a sneak peek

and a little bit of a hint of that

in that kind of debate i had with the

lithuanian guy

but we're dealing with a very

interesting scenario which i think

deserves more thought more analysis and

more reflection than just good and bad

narratives about what's been going on

now we know for a fact that the western

press is full of shit and they're

inaccurately reporting on what's going

on and i think we get that and i'm not

so much interested anymore in just

reporting the details of that i want us

to think more deeply and broadly as

marxist leninist and with the tools of

analysis available to us

using marxist lenin's theory to be able

to have a superior understanding

of how it got to this point

okay and that's what i i wanna i wanna

set about to do

here right

um so we can have a more kind of neutral

just objective understanding underlying

because i think that's what's missing

right we're caught up in this info war

where they're saying okay they're lying

a lot about russia we're telling the

truth about russia where's the

neutrality where's the objectivity

where's a a basic sense of reality

unpre-trooped by ideological prejudices

and and national passions and things

like that and that's what i want to set

about to accomplish with today's stream

and it actually is going to be the main

theme of today's stream it's going to be

about the future of russia itself where

russia's going right now what

implications the end of the soviet union

had for russia these kind of big topics

of analysis are basically the meat and

potatoes and the thrust of what

direction i want my future streams to

take in general i don't want to just be

a news streamer i want to be able to

stream

big ideas and and

broader forms of analysis about these

types of things right

so the first thing we have to point out

is there's a lot of details people miss

that are important to bring into the

picture

and we're going to go from an analysis

that's based on the hurried kind of

excitement of what's on the daily

headlines oh russia is doing this we're

just doing that too let's just broaden

the context and create a hermeneutic

circle so i'm going to teach you today

what a hermeneutic circle is

so

a hermeneutic circle is basically a way

of

deriving meaning and knowledge from a

given object or from a different

from a given body of work a book a

region a history whatever you want where

knowing details allows you to paint a

big broad picture and with that big

broad picture you get more details and

with more details the big broad picture

starts to be more complete the issue

with the hermeneutic circle the kind of

paradox it represents is that every

detail of knowledge reflects some broad

picture

but every broad picture is only given

expression through these little details

and they work together dialectically to

give us a more holistic understanding of

the situation so

when we actually have a deep analysis of

what's going on

of the history and all these kinds of

things we're beginning from the

particular then to the universal rather

than the reverse we're not being

beginning from some universal

ideological claim and then

filling in the blanks we're actually

beginning from some kind of objective

analysis right

and

that analysis isn't as informed of all

of the biases and ideological fanaticism

that prevents people from being able to

have an accurate picture of what's going

on sure right but it's also an analysis

that's

going to need to arrive at a positive

objective kind of conclusion rather than

just the fact that okay the west is bad

ukraine's bad azov is bad we get that

but what actually is going on here right

and this speaks to the mission statement

of infrared infrared's original mission

statement was

marxist leninist analysis

beyond the visuals

beyond the visual spectrum right

um beyond the visible spectrum beyond

what's immediately apparent to us so the

first thing i want to present to you is

this article

by catahon the caton institute which

talks pretty briefly about the history

of novoracia and ukraine right

so here they talk about how there are

several lies and this was from 2016

circulating on the internet regarding

former ukraine novorossiya and russia

these lighters spread by the key of

nazis trolls

and your american masters with the

obvious goal of disinformation but only

fools will believe it

so

the first lie you're gonna hear commonly

about the situation is that the

ukrainian people chose to go to the eu

well it's not true

because these people and i'm showing it

to you on a map

chose not to do that they chose to go

toward russia the russian world the

customs union

belarus and kazakhstan

when they elected yanukovych's president

and a pro-russian rada

in the last

legitimate elections before the nazi

coup

then there was a coup directed from the

u.s against the legal president and

government

all elections after the nazi coup are

void and illegal

were neither democratic nor fair as all

the opposition has been banned

imprisoned or killed let no one forget

this

we do not want the traitors to distort

the facts

the russians and nova racia and

malarusia the russian-speaking

ukrainians and the central parts if they

are allowed to speak what they want were

of all the people of mixed origin

the next lie

russia doesn't need navrasia those who

make this statement have no idea about

russian history or culture and they have

no knowledge of geopolitics in general

and security politics in particular

russia needs novarosia for many reasons

first and most important because it is a

genuine part of russia it has been for

300 years

it was stolen from russia during a

period of russian weakness and when

russia was ruled by american lackeys in

the 1990s

the majority of the people in

novorossiya are russians or

russian-speaking ukrainians who are

opposed to the ki of junta and who want

to join the russian world

but nova racia is also a shield of

russia against nato aggression and enemy

military bases now this is what i really

want to highlight here

because when it comes to coming to a

materialist analysis of why novador sia

is so important we can't just proceed a

kind of national analysis we can't just

proceed even from a perspective of

military strategy because ultimately war

is an extension of politics and this

would be engaging in the kind of

cardinal sin of idealism it would be

assuming that political formations are

what's behind all this it would be

assuming even that national formations

are behind what's all this when a

materialist is going to proceed

at the most fundamental level of what

the essence of all those things are what

makes a nation what makes politics this

is what's at stake in being able to form

a coherent

and sustainable analysis

of what's been going on in ukraine

so the same is true for eastern mellorca

all lands east of the dniper i can't

pronounce that correctly is russian land

paid for by russian blood

many times over through history it is

treason to even think of abandoning

these lands to nazis and to nato

yet another lie to be exposed there will

be a world war if russia liberates

novorossiya

this is absurd and it's contradicted by

statements from the europe and usa

none are prepared to go to war to save

some nazis in kiev especially as any

russian liberation

would be just that a liberation and not

an occupation

this liberation would not be extended to

galicia because that part was never

genuine russian land and is too infected

with nazis to be worth the cost of

denotification so if you don't know what

galatia is

right

um

alicia is right here

sorry

fuck

it's different there's one in spain and

there's one in france it's right here

right

so this is what they're talking about

this part was never historically russian

land it was taken from the polls i think

by stalin

it had

belarusian and ukrainian populations

living there which the polls oppressed

but historically speaking i mean this is

austria-hungary this is the polish

lithuanian commonwealth whatever it's

not really historically russian land

they don't think they're ever going to

be able to take this right

they have no illusions as far as that's

concerned

you know another lie is that the russian

world is only russia now this is a

pretty interesting part of the article i

think

is people think these are fascists

you know because these are the fourth

position is duganist or so these might

be fastest well look what they're saying

and this is gonna actually piss off a

lot of like

alt-right

you know type of people but this is what

they say

actually there are no limits to the

russian world if a person would like to

join the russian world for whatever

reason they should be welcome

it could be that a person has a russian

spouse

likes russian culture or russian

orthodoxy or lifestyle and so on

and i'm not talking about creating

ghettos like what happened in western

europe any person joining the russian

world should be willing to assimilate at

least to a certain degree to russian

society without having to deny his her

own roots

russia ought to in half a million such

people from all over the world annually

and they should preferably be young and

educated or willing to get an education

in the new country

there are quite a lot of such people all

over the world that would give russia a

chance

that would boost the russian economy and

society too and of course refugees from

former ukraine and overseas should also

be taken into russia

but with a clear understanding that they

will be returned to a liberated

novrossia and malarosia sooner or later

geopolitically geographically it's of

course easier to define the russian

world

russian federation plus belarus plus

northern kazakhstan

plus navarasia plus eastern malarosia

transnistria

and some regions of the baltics such as

narva

any part of this territory is just as

holy and russian as as moscow

should be as equally defended

so that's a kind of picture of the

geopolitical

vision underlying this but i think

that's the kind of weakness of our

analysis thus far is that we have

overwhelmingly relied on a geopolitical

based analysis a political based

analysis in general almost everything i

just described to you and read out to

you in that article ultimately boils

down to politics it doesn't boil down to

a materialist conception or

understanding of the situation

in order to break that down we need a

deeper understanding of the

circumstances surrounding the fall of

the soviet union and the implications it

had for the peoples living in that

region in a material sense okay

and we're going to begin here with the

donbass itself and its significance i

want to paint a picture to you because i

think it's pretty easy to draw

materialist analysis of american

politics

specifically when it comes to regions

like west virginia west virginia was a

coal mining state

and you know that's where joe manchin

and the rest are based that's where a

lot of republicans and support for trump

is based is that you basically had these

heavy industries that defined the

backbone of the american national

economy

and these people's jobs were threatened

or otherwise not invested in it as much

and that's kind of defined the politics

of the region it's about preserving that

older way of life and i think that's a

really easy materialist analysis

to draw from to explain a lot about

you know what goes on in american

politics why do you have joe manchin and

people like that elected into congress

uh well it's because of coal because the

progressives want to eliminate coal and

coal is the source of livelihood of the

people living in west virginia right and

then you have this whole understanding

of a materialist understanding of

political economy itself where it's

quite literally political economy that

america's regulatory kind of monopoly

state

in conjunction with coal companies and

oil companies and car companies and

manufacturing

all form this kind of totality of an

american dream and an american way of

life which actually defined people's

living being and it defined their way of

life and it defined them as a class a

new type of class

people it's not quite the working class

of the past which you know had no

country it was a working class that

somehow had a country that had some

investment or stake in the state and you

know most marxists are going to define

that as a labor aristocracy but i i

think that's simplistic the the labor

aristocracy lenin talked about was like

the upper stratum of the labor movement

this is a mass phenomena that defined

people from the bottom up the very soil

of the people selves right

unless it happened this kind of

american dream can also be translated in

the soviet and russian context because

just like there was an american dream

there was also a soviet

green in the form

of the soviet

economy itself the heavy industries of

the soviet working class that were

employed i mean this there was a soviet

dream the soviet worker

right had a daca in the con dacha in the

countryside they had a house or an

apartment they had a little farm if they

were peasants toiling on the soil

they had a very specific way of life

that was tied

to heavy industry and to manufacturing

right

they didn't have that service economy

bullshit they didn't have that tech

economy bullshit it was it's very

similar when you compare the american

economy the 20th century

to the soviet economy in the 20th

century from a sociological perspective

there's a lot of differences but there's

also a lot of similarities i mean both

a lot of people get pissed off by this

but i mean you're dealing with a

situation where most of the world is

turning in a socialistic direction the

us included the state is increasingly

becoming a worker state where its vast

regulations and its vast mechanisms of

economic control

have to take into account

people's ability to like get by and it

has to take social considerations into

account has to take the life of the

working class and the american dream

into account i'm not saying the american

state served the working class it was a

workers state a sense of a proletarian

dictatorship clearly it was a state that

served the interests of financiers and

financial capitalists and capitalist

monopolists and

city of london bankers and all those

kind of fucking spooky people whatever

right um

but this st i'm just trying to say that

there were aspects of it that you could

you could vaguely collect if you're not

too autistic about it say it's a workers

state you know if you get autistic about

it clearly it's not a workers state but

to some extent the state and the economy

is being fashioned around the

reproduction of a very specific way of

life now the intention behind that as

far as the ruling class in the

bourgeoisie was concerned in the 20th

century was to make

sure that the working class would be

satisfied and complacent and wouldn't

turn to communism right so that was the

reason that was the motivation and that

was the intention behind that and i

don't think it was only that either i

think to in a certain extent the

democratic party and other parties did

kind of

you know

gain their mandate and their power from

this kind of working class um but they

were still captured and completely

beholden to these capitalists but there

was some measure of a state

infrastructure that had emerged

that

wasn't directly controlled by the

capitalist class if that makes sense

like it was this arrangement you can

vaguely call it socialistic you can call

it whatever the fuck you want but it

existed for social reasons it didn't

just exist to make the capitalists rich

it ultimately figured in the wider

imperialist state machinery sure

especially the system of global

imperialist control sure

but the only real evidence that you need

that it wasn't directly serving the

interests of capital lies in the fact

that in the so-called era of

neoliberalism much like the

dismantlement of the ussr and the soviet

union itself this entire thing was

dismantled right it was it was

completely divested

the state ceased to invest in it the

people in west virginia were left behind

the people in ohio and detroit indiana

were left behind manufacturing was

outsourced to mexico and it was

outsourced overseas so very clearly that

degree of socialization that had

occurred after the post-war period

wasn't only to support profit

there was a degree of like american

socialism that emerged i mean

say was

ultimately fascistic or social fascist

i'm open to that interpretation as well

but i i don't buy the idea that it was

just oh this is just part of capital

it's no it's clearly this is a post

not post imperialist because it's still

part of imperialism right but it's it's

something beyond what lenin described in

imperialism is all i'm trying to say

right

someone's in show queue

um

no yeah okay

this i'm gonna get through this lecture

and then we might be able to take in

collins if we have some time to spare

right because i want to get into this

deep dive of analysis so i'm going to

show you a map right now

of what is actually the part eastern

ukraine and the donbass region right

so this was a propaganda poster from the

soviet period

and what you're witnessing here is that

this part is powering the entirety

of the soviet union's economy and its

industry so factories all over the

soviet union

being powered by this now what is this

what actually is this

well where it is

is in the eastern part of ukraine it's

in the dawn bass but what

is it

well if you speak russian

i think it's here but

it's coal

so this is a basin in eastern ukraine

that was responsible for the

overwhelming majority of the energy

consumption of the soviet union

internally now the soviet union was an

oil exporting

country after the 1970s

but in terms of the internal consumption

of energy that fueled soviet industry

itself

um this was coming from the donetsk

basin

similar to west virginia right it's just

this part of soviet union just like west

virginia is a part of america which is a

coal producing region okay

and that was actually the source of

livelihood

for the people living here so all of the

infrastructure

that was built in the dunya in the

donbass region

right

all of the way of life the education the

facilities the food that people

consumed the way in which they consumed

it all that was through the wealth

that was being um

created because of coal

because of the specific economic

arrangement it had with the rest of the

soviet union

so

and to give more context to give more

added context to this

um

to this day the infrastructure the

cities the towns that exist in the

donbass region

are a leftover of that soviet era

so that's the first thing i want you

guys to keep in mind and keep in in your

head right

it's a very important point

i want you guys to lodge it and keep it

in your heads

that's the context of the donetsk region

i'll show you a more contemporary map

show you the significance school still

has thank you i think slow expansion of

socialism in u.s is bad because it gives

people enough reason to not overthrow

government as a whole like marx intended

no and the reasons people have to

overthrow the government isn't to

establish socialism now that's a common

myth a lot of people will tell you oh we

need a revolution to create socialism

anyone who tells you that revolutions

are about creating socialism is a dumb

fuck doesn't know shit about history or

marxism and is a fucking lying dumb

piece of shit okay

first of all

marx talked about violent revolutions

within the context of overthrowing the

ancient regime so those were revolutions

that weren't being created because of

ideology but were revolutions like the

french revolution that

took form because of an antagonism

between a democratic petty bourgeoisie

from the countryside

and the aristocrats and feudal ancient

regime so that was actually the source

of revolution marx was talking about

okay

and marx was basically saying that the

proletarian revolution

is going to be like a cherry on top of

this and he said that in places that

have already had their democratic

revolution like the united states or

even england he said right it's possible

for a peaceful transition to occur now

the reason marx and engels change their

view about this is because of the rise

of the imperialist state machinery

which actually overturned a bourgeois

democracy

right and it had to be smashed into a

thousand pieces marx writes about this

in his writings on the civil war in

france also in his writings about the

paris commune more generally right

and

that isn't because again it's not

because of ideology it's because

contradiction is forming between the

vast state bureaucratic machinery and

this imperialist state machinery and

again

uh the proverbial peasant in the

countryside in marx's case the french

peasant who's being indebted to banks

um

and who's having all of their economic

life being sucked out of them

again through through rentier capitalist

feudal-like monopolists right so the

reasons violent revolutions happen

according to marxism is not

because the proletarian dictatorship

should be established it's not because

of some fucking ideological vision it's

not because of socialism it's not

because of any of those fucking things

violent revolution is an inev it's a

sociological phenomena it's what we call

today populism it's literally the same

thing it's a sociological phenomena

where the majority of people materially

enter into contradiction

with the establishment

just as a general law of social

revolution right

and

the whole point of ideology is to guide

that not to create it that's what

happened in russia the contradiction

between the peasants and russia and the

the

the the tsar and the nobility wasn't

because of ideology it was because there

was a genuine material contradiction

there which the bolsheviks only led

that's why they said peace land and

bread and not

socialism they didn't say any of that

shit they said peace land and bread

because they were leading

that

revolution okay

so

yeah i know that's a lot of time taken

up for one super chat but it's something

i just need to always stress time and

time again that it's just such a common

myth

people arrive at that that revolutions

are because of you know whatever so

anyway this is a more contemporary map

of ukraine

and look at this okay so

so here this region of ukraine produces

18.4

billion tons of coal

15.6 billion tons of coal five point

three billion tons of coal so this is

the donets

region we're talking about here in

ukraine

um

so

nationally speaking yes these people are

russian speakers

many are ethnic russians

but what is the more fundamental

connection that they have to russia

that is actually responsible

for the conflict

at large

well it has a lot to do again with coal

now after the fall of the soviet union

okay

um

investing in coal well a few things

happen right and this is true for both

russia

and it's true for ukraine and this is

actually going to be the formative

context of the maidan protests which is

why the story of how ukraine and russia

got to this point

is actually kind of more like a tragedy

rather than a one-sided story of good

versus evil it's more like a tragedy

ukraine had most of soviet heavy

industry it was built specifically to

cooperate with russian industry the

separation of russia and ukraine was

particularly painful the atlanticist

plan thank you so much chris morlock i

appreciate so much the that super chat

thank you so much man

anyway um

when the soviet union collapsed i'm sure

you guys know what happened you had an

oligarchic class emerge both in russia

and in ukraine

so all of the industry as morlock

himself pointed out that was built up

under the soviet union

throughout all of ukraine not just

eastern ukraine all of ukraine

was bought out by these oligarchs right

and what oligarchs basically did is that

they privatized socialism they kept

these very vast

companies and entities intact that were

kind of like fractures of they were kind

of little pieces of the soviet giant

central planning what the oligarchs did

is they consolidated

all of these kinds of means of

production

in the form of these like privatized

socialistic

equity companies and general companies

and whatever

bundled them all together into this kind

of like private form of a mini centrally

planned economy and private kingdom

where the

a lot of people need to understand this

much of the necrosis of the soviet

industry

is because of the oligarchs the

oligarchs are parasites what they did is

that they took all of the infrastructure

that was built under the soviet union

and they turned those into financial

speculative assets

they didn't invest in them they didn't

update any of the infrastructure they

just extract rent from that

infrastructure from the former soviet

peoples in order to turn them into like

financial assets which are then

integrated into the world of

international finance and offshore

companies through the city of london and

all that kind of stuff so basically the

soviet economy wasn't actually dissolved

a lot of people think oh socialism was

abolished well

ideologically yeah but in terms of that

like centrally planned economy in

general it was divided up into little

bits and pieces where these like new

lords these for all intents and purposes

feudal lords took over these segments of

this wider soviet planned economy

and

they kept them running and kept them

intact but they charge the right the

former soviet population like these

rents

in order to be able to live so these are

like literally like vampire parasites

who took over segments of the former

soviet economy right

and unlike the soviet union they didn't

reinvest in this stuff they didn't

update it in any kind of way or

integrated into like this greater

polarity or greater whole that benefits

the whole people you know as a holistic

entity they turned them into financial

assets and instruments integrated into a

world of international finance

centered in the city of london

i should add and and wall street and

whatever right

basically turning them into parts of the

kind of western polarity now russia's

game-changing nationalization of the oil

industry under putin was pretty much the

first act that offset that and

established some form of economic

sovereignty now when we're talking about

economic sovereignty i wanna

don't just like let that fly over your

head i actually want you to think about

what that entails economic sovereignty

means you basically

are having a part of your economy that

is being organized around serving your

economy and serving your sphere so in

this case

russia's oil industry allows the russian

government to invest in its population

it allows them to build russian

industries it allows them to fuel and

power a russian economy right whereas in

the oligarchic type of arrangement of

the privatizations of the 1990s both in

ukraine and in the former sorry and in

russia you had these basic parasites

gobble up

big pieces of the former soviet planned

economy

um keep the people who relied on them in

order to survive on a lifeline and

basically charge them rent to continue

existing and subsisting

on them so basically i want to like give

you a better representation of what that

would be like right so let's say

you were like on life support in a

hospital right and that was basically

kind of free right i just put it that

way and some guy comes and and takes

over the life support with a gun

and he says

i'm gonna call your mother every hour

she's gonna give me five dollars or i'm

gonna unplug your life support

that's pretty much

how the oligarchic

organization of the economy is is in

ukraine and russia

right

it's like they're basically

holding these

things that are the life support of the

people living in these regions

and they're they're they're it's they're

not even like good capitalists a lot of

people think oh russia became a

capitalist economy well technically in

an ideal world

a capitalist

you know

makes an investment and then gets a

return on their investment but in this

case you just have this kind of

privatization of a very stagnant

and decaying form of socialism where

it's like

they're not in it's not like they're

making profits based on returns on on

risky investments they're holding these

gargantuan

bits and pieces of the former soviet

infrastructure

and charging people who relied on them

as a source of livelihood and

subsistence

in order to squeeze out not profits and

this is the

most fascinating part of this entire

dilemma that's why you can't

understand this conflict from like an

anti-capitalist traditional critique of

capitalism perspective

but from rents right from rents of the

financial economy right

so

haas can you debate michael moore yeah i

could debate this guy if he gets in my

fucking vc okay i could definitely

debate him okay stop spamming my chat

michael get in my fucking vc or get

banned forever it's simple as that

you stupid fuck

and by the way russia doesn't pretend to

be a liberal democratic country that's

why you dumb fuck if the west wants to

come forward and admit we live in a

fascist fucking state then it can

fucking do that and and and cure the

repercussions that comes from violating

the fucking social contract that is the

bedrock of order and stability the

reason people don't fucking take up

torches and pitchforks

like thomas jefferson talked about is

because we have constitutional liberties

if they want to create a new arrangement

where they want to be an illiberal

democracy

then they can go ahead and step forward

and tell the people that that's what

we're living under until then you got to

still have that free speech

because that's the understanding that

our people and the government have come

to since 1776. that's my fucking answer

to you you stupid dumb fuck now stop

fucking spamming my fucking chat

especially when you say something so

fucking stupid

okay

as i was saying before

okay i want to give you a broad picture

of the oligarch economy so what did you

learn from this okay a the soviet union

collapsed

the soviet economy was still the source

of survival and livelihood for the

majority of people living under it what

happened is that this soviet economy was

privatized by

these

parasitical financial capitalists who

did not reinvest in the infrastructure

but merely kept that on a lifeline

leaving both it and the people relying

on it to decay

left behind while extracting rents not

profits from them and these rents in

turn were turned into financial

derivative as speculative assets

derivative assets basically that were

integrated into the world capitalist

financial market through the city of

london and its offshore companies yada

yada yada wall street and the rest of it

so that's the basic rundown of the

picture that's forming the context of

this entire thing okay

i want you to keep that in mind as we go

forward keep what i just told you in

mind

okay and stop fucking being distracted

in the chat do i have to start banning

people because

this shit is important you know i don't

i'm sick of this being a community of

dumb fucks yeah go ahead and just spam

z's in my chat but you don't actually

want to be fucking educated

you don't want to be educated about

what's fucking going on in the first

place you want to just spam zs in the

fucking chat

what's a dumb fucks stop fucking

focusing on one dumbass who's too much

of a pussy to get in my fucking vc

if you don't get in my v okay mods ban

everyone who doesn't

get in my vc who talk shit because

clearly people are getting too fucking

distracted by bullshit

when what i'm talking about is actually

fucking important

right

damn

you want to just spam z's and shit but

you don't want to actually think about

this in any kind of fucking way it's

fucking pathetic

okay anyway

like i was saying

now the main thing that upset this

arrangement

was

putin's rise to power now a lot of

people underestimate the extent to which

there was a level of continuity between

the yeltsin regime which was completely

captured by the oligarchs and putin

there was continuity putin was appointed

by yeltsin

so the reason putin

came to represent russian sovereignty is

the the fact of the matter that we now

have to address okay because putin again

was appointed he wasn't a populist he

was appointed okay

he didn't rise to power as like a

caesarean populist like hugo chavez or

anything he was appointed by yeltsin

okay

now some deeper context here the context

of putin is politics specifically

geopolitics the first form of a major

rift between the west and russia

was yugoslavia it was serbia

and yeltsin actually this was the first

form of the expression of some kind of

like it wasn't just yugoslavia there's a

lot of unresolved shit in abkhazia in

south ossetia in transnistria and

elsewhere right

russia was thrown into this situation

where even yeltsin and the oligarchs

supporting him

had to be russian patriots in some kind

of sense now why was it in the interest

of the parasitical oligarchic class

to kind of adopt a russian geopolitical

vision well the reason is pretty simple

because

in order to be able to maintain the

steady flow of financial rents

that they were extracting from the

privatization of the former soviet

economy

they had to consider russia

as a block with its own interests that

it has to defend i mean it they're

basically tried to turn russia into a

cartel

one big cartel enterprise whose interest

they were willing to defend on that

basis okay

and this is basically going to like

define

the entire tragical contradiction that

defines russia's current geopolitical

predicament okay

when putin was appointed

putin made the decision to nationalize

russia's gas industry

basically cementing the first form

of russian economic sovereignty

and at that point

the very same al and also by the way the

geopolitical issue was chechnya right

and that's what putin dealt with and and

so on and so on and that's that whole

issue of geopolitics defending russia's

territorial sovereignty

right as a kind of cartel for these

oligarchs

but putin would then turn against these

oligarchs

for reasons that may relate to personal

ideology

something like that

but putin did cross the rubicon and his

julius caesar moment

was when he decided to nationalize the

russian oil industry turn against the

oligarchs

right

and start to derive his mandate

from the russian people

so in a way

and this may come to a shock to many of

you

russia became more democratic now in

talks with us diplomats

russian oligarchs ad verbatim said

russia is not a western country russia

is an asiatic country so we cannot have

an immediate transition to democracy we

have to have an oligarchy because

russians are too savage and uncivilized

to be able to be democratic and rule

based on a majoritarian

you know

uh

rule by the people the people are too

stupid and uncivilized to rule so us

oligarchs have to be in charge almost ad

verbatim when they were sitting down

with us diplomats this is what the

oligarchs had told

the americans

well putin um was increasing the

democratization of russia by having the

actual source of legitimation and

sovereignty of the russian state not

come from a select group of oligarchic

rulers but come from more or less a

popular mandate of the russian people

now putin is not a savior of the russian

people i want you guys to to understand

that he's not like some julius caesar

communist and he's all doing it out of

the goodness of his heart and it's

because he's a socialist or he's doing

it for ideological reason

reasons

putin was confronted with like a a

rubicon and just to be a normal centrist

right it's like

nationalizing the oil industry

will give the russian state a definite

source of revenue with which it will be

able to sustain

the russian people on a lifeline because

the oligarchs are not able to do this in

a disparate dissipated

way so under putin's reign

and this is where we're going to really

start talking about the tragical aspect

of this

um

you still had the same level of decay

necrosis

and

stagnation that define the rule of the

oligarchs the only difference is that

there was increasingly a semblance of a

new type of russia i mean moscow sure as

hell

got a hell of a renovation under putin's

reign

uh and other parts of russia admittedly

as well other stuff was going on but for

the majority of the russian people

um you know they were living in the same

way that people in in ukraine was

basically living in a lifeline

but

lifeline being pensions pensions for the

elderly

um

the kind of menial jobs

the working class as they had before and

then moscow also represented this kind

of more urban economy with more urban

oriented jobs

or and then also you had this immense

flight from russia the rain drain and

people migrants going to the west young

people looking for opportunities there

but also moscow did turn start to be a

bedrock for new entrepreneurs and and

new kind of startups and new kinds of

businesses that was enabled by this

newfound russian economic sovereignty

all of these things undermine the

oligarchs right

so russia is in this steady steady state

of basic survival survival people

pensioners are still getting their money

the russian people are surviving and

enduring

that's not nothing because in the 90s

they were dying they were dying of early

mortality they were dying they weren't

being supported by the state there was

nothing

they were dying right so they're

surviving under putin but under putin

you still have stagnation

you still have some of that same

oligarchic control of the former soviet

economy you still have that necrosis you

still have that parasitism you still

have this kind of sale of the russian

people to the western financial

capitalist world market in the form of

derivative and speculative assets right

this is true not only for russia but for

the entire former soviet world

russia's stagnating now under medvedev

they wanted to even get closer to the

west to geopolitically to con

conciliatory with them for geopolitical

reasons they couldn't

now let me tell you uh let me give you a

picture right now of um

ukraine's exports

russia and russia's exports to ukraine

now here you can clearly see

these are all heavy industry

i mean these are all heavy and so these

are kind of manufactured goods

and these are more um

what do you call it primary processed

raw materials these are kind of more

chemicals

this is um iron and steel and things

like that these are kinds of like

manufactured industrial goods

so this is basically what

ukraine is exporting to russia right

but you have to understand that these

are all controlled under the uh these

are so i want you to think of it like

the intestines of the soviet economy

ripped out

right

and privatized under the control of

oligarchs and oligarchic families

and

there was a semblance of a centrally

planned soviet economy and the bits and

pieces of this economy were now being

privatized by these like feudal lords

right who are extracting monopoly rents

feudal-like monopoly rents in order to

facilitate similar levels of economic um

activity that happened in the soviet

union so like the iron that ukraine is

exporting to russia

was probably also iron that

that's factories or whatever based in

russia we're getting from ukraine as

well so the semblance of this former

soviet economy is being kept on a

lifeline right

um

now

what were what

what really underlied the history

that led to the maidan and the

dissatisfaction with russia and the

dissatisfaction with putin well

stagnation continued to more or less

define

the whole russian sphere russia itself

and ukraine under yanukovych

yes survival survival yes

but innovation opportunity

no

those are the things that were missing

and

kind of understandably in the more

developed parts of western ukraine

people were fed up

with the old arrangement they were fed

up with the corrupt oligarchic class

so there there came to be this kind of

like

illusion by the population and this is

what makes it a fucking tragedy guys

this is literally the crux of what we're

talking about which is like

there's many forms of utopias people

have when they become dissatisfied with

the status quo

and with the prevailing system right

and in ukraine western ukraine's case

the utopia was europe

there was this illusion this idea

that increased economic integration with

europe is going to lead to you know the

the um

the

enrichment of the ukrainian you know

democratic petty bourgeoisie and

startups and entrepreneurs this hungry

youth that are looking for opportunities

oh we'll all get it from increased

economic

cooperation with

with europe and with western europe

right and and europe became this utopia

it became this utopic vision right so

when yanukovych

um so this is the tragedy though so

yanukovych pressured by the western

ukrainian population and also because he

was not actually loyal to russia in the

first place

decided to pursue european economic

integration so he went to brussels and

he went to belgium

and he told the leaders he told the head

of the eu he said listen he told the

eurobank he told all these people he

said listen i am willing to join you i'm

willing to ditch russia and join you my

oligarchs who back me

also want this to happen right

we're done with russia russia's you know

those people they're dead beat their

they're wasteful we don't we can't get

any more profits from them our oligarchs

are hungry for profit they need more

profits

so yeah we'll

we'll join you europe

and we'll ditch russia

but

this is how economically dependent we're

on

with russia now

so if we ditch russia and join you

you have to give us loans and you have

to give us aid and bail out our economy

and help us

what did brussels tell yanukovych

brussels told yanukovych

no way jose

we're not going to invest in you

ukrainians you lowly ukrainians we don't

believe in you you're not an investment

that's worth it to us

if you join the european union

yeah we'll use you as an economic colony

for cheap labor and migrant labor oh boy

yeah and we're going to extract your raw

materials and you know

use you as a debt colony more or less

but seriously restructure your economy

and fill the hole left behind by russia

no way

europe refused to agree

to what ukraine needed in order to join

europe

and leave russia behind

that's the story behind this

and when yanukovych

decided to abandon pursuing economic

integration with europe

not because he didn't want to

but because europe refused to actually

um

fulfill what ukraine would have needed

to do that

there you had maidan and we have to ask

this question beyond america's

intervention

right beyond america's intervention um

beyond the cia interference and all that

shit let's just put that behind why were

so many people in kiev and western

ukraine angry with the government

that oh we're not joining europe because

you're in bed with russia because this

is the impression they had in their mind

they thought

okay

europe represents for me economic

opportunity it represents a future for

us it represents us to be able to you

know update our infrastructure

have just have a semblance of a future

ahead where we don't have to

be in stagnation and decay and

corruption for so long right

so

that was the thought that they had in

their head and when they when yanukovych

turned

his back on on the european integration

thing they were like

he only did this because of putin and he

only did this because of russia because

of the corruption of the oligarchs the

same oligarchs that they associated with

this stagnant post-soviet world right

so they thought basically that it's

almost as if putin is preventing us the

russian world is presenting us our

blackened soviet past is preventing us

from having any more economic

opportunities and we're stuck in this

hellish decay and stagnation of the

former soviet world and we're gonna

blame it all on russia

the truth is more tragic

it's not yanukovych it's not putin it's

not even the oligarchs

that are the reason europe rejected you

europe rejected you because europe

doesn't care about ukraine europe

doesn't care about ukrainians europe

doesn't see them as equal europe had no

intention of investing in ukraine and

helping ukrainians

no longer become dependent on russia

because the europeans have nothing

historically to do with ukraine when

germany invaded ukraine in world war ii

they had a plan to starve anyone there

and loot all the fucking resources and

have german settlers settle the land

they are entirely different peoples

europeans don't give a fuck about

ukraine

that's the tragic truth that's why

yanukovych couldn't pursue

european economic integration

that's why

but the maidan protesters

angry with the corruption and angry with

the stagnation angry with the lack of

opportunity

decided that europe was their utopia

okay

and it was a kind of like deranged form

of utopian socialism that quickly

transformed into a very scary nazism and

genocidal fascism where their dream came

at the expense of reality and that

russians are getting in the way of our

dream

so that's the scenario you have in the

western ukraine right

now going from heaven to earth from

dreamland back to reality you have the

people of eastern ukraine

now the people of eastern ukraine

are getting by they're getting by

through economic aid getting by through

vestigial industries from the soviet era

and yeah there's not a lot of

improvement or whatever but they're

primarily focused with just not starving

and just having some lifeline right

so they see what's going on in the

maidan and they

quite correctly see this like these

people want to destroy everything they

want to destroy everything we have and

they want to destroy us as a people

because we ourselves only exist because

of the soviet past our infrastructure

our way of life our culture

our ability to get an income everything

about us

comes from the soviet past

and you want to take all of that away

and destroy us so it's almost like this

is the tragedy in western ukraine it

became a kind of struggle for becoming

and struggle for future and

transformation

but in eastern ukraine it was a struggle

for being

a struggle for surviving

and a struggle to defend the past

right

so you basically had

a very tragic situation

where

both people in russia and in ukraine

are not necessarily aware of the fact

that the reason you're stagnating the

reason you don't have these new

opportunities the reason you don't have

this kind of like you know reinvestment

in your own people the reason nobody's

willing to invest in you

the people

whether it's europe or whether it's this

you know necrophiliac

kind of post-soviet oligarchic economy

it's very simple

it's because russia turned away from

communism

and communism was the only fucking thing

that invested in these people

it turned from an economy

that was based

in what's in the best interests of the

common people

to an economy that was based on liberal

capitalist

bullshit free market principles which in

reality translated into abandoning in

almost a genocidal way

the people and leaving them to rot

at best

or allowing them to subsist at best and

leaving them to decay and die

at worst

that's the entire context that's

informing

his situation people who were angry with

the yanukovych government

were not necessarily at fault it's just

that they articulated it in the wrong

way in a delusionary illusory way

the real enemy of the ukrainian people

also never forget how almost immediately

after health care was privatized in the

russian federation nearly 7 million

rural russians died from lack of health

care now necrosis and decay rises in

ukraine and oligarchs think they own the

russian people holy fuck voidbring thank

you so much for the 50 man and i agree

yeah appreciate it so much

appreciate it so much man

i appreciate that so much but um

the the bottom line guys is that the

enemy of the ukrainian and russian

people alike

it's not a national issue when you think

about it like this it's a class issue

with a civilizational context the

civilization created by the soviet union

it's these oligarchs

who converted the post-soviet economy

into a feudalistic rentier state

where they extract from the lifeblood

of the former soviet peoples

while giving nothing back and investing

nothing in them especially investing

nothing in the youth and investing

nothing in the new generation

okay

so you may ask me a question haas then

why do you support russia when russia

also has these people in power

because you have to understand the

context of the revolution that's going

on in the russian world

which is for all intents and purposes

also a social and class revolution

against the oligarchs

and that's something i'm gonna explain

to you if you don't understand

what i'm talking about now

because that's what's really going on

since

the revolutions

they're very much heideggerian

revolutions for being in eastern ukraine

you had a profound class and social

revolution initiate

which will undoubtedly spread to russia

even if it comes at the expense of putin

himself

i'll show it to you

now check this out this is a story

published by the new york times

on march 4th

2014.

now why am i showing you an article from

2014 because in the eastern ukraine

immediately after the maidan which

duped

the urbanites of western ukraine into

actually serving the interests

of oligarchic factions of the

post-soviet world that were against

russia

as tensions rose on the streets of the

russian-speaking eastern portion of

ukraine the response of the new

government in the capital on sunday was

not to send troops

but to send rich people keep in mind

this is

march 2nd 2014.

the interim government worried about

russian efforts to destabilize or seize

regions in eastern ukraine after

effectively taking control of the

crimean peninsula in the south

is recruiting the country's wealthy

businessmen known as oligarchs

to serve as governors of the eastern

provinces

so

as these eastern provinces were up in

arms and were in turmoil trying to kind

of rebel against the new junta to give

you an idea of the maidan government

the response they had to that

thank you so much upstream in a minute

sorry twitch dogged you but glad that

you're still out here grinding and

crushing it cuddy thank you so much

sankara's renault i appreciate you so

much man

well as a basic response to that right

what they did was

send literal oligarchs to be the

governors of these eastern provinces to

reign in on these people

now when i said feudal lords that was

kind of like a metaphor but in this case

it seems like it's direct now wait until

you hear about who these oligarchs are

so the strategy which ukrainian news

media are attributing to yulia v

timochenko a former prime minister and

party leader is recognition that the

oligarchs represent the country's

industrial and business elite

and exercise a great influence over

thousands of workers in the east which

is still largely ethnically russian

now what kind of influence do they

exercise

these oligarchs

own the industries in eastern ukraine

they own the coal mines they own the

mines they own the factories and the

russian workers are their employees

the office of president olexir

v church

tertianov

announced on sunday the appointments of

two billionaires sergey tartura let's

look up this guy sergey tartura

what does he do sergey tartura

is the founder of the industrial union

of donbass

what is the industrial union of donbass

it's an it owns order over 40 industrial

enterprises in eastern ukraine

hungary and poland

um

there you

go

i'm not sure what happened to its

holdings

in eastern ukraine exactly but

this guy

was up this oligarch who i literally

just described to you

the the industries he owns

heard about you through jackson i loved

how you tore apart destiny always good

to hear independent voices that don't

bow to the establishment thank you so

much curtis i appreciate it so much man

that is

appreciate it man um

when i i mean this guy he says he owns

industrial enterprise these are all

enterprises created by communist

infrastructure communism created these

enterprises this fucking parasite just

gobbled them up

and

put them into a fucking holding company

so that's like the definition of what

we're talking about

when it comes to an oligarch now who

else are they mentioning they're talking

about ihor colum kolomoski i you

probably heard of that name before

um

but if you haven't

this guy is the

he

owns where is it

he owns the uh

yeah pre-vet bank

he owns yeah he owns that's just a

fucking private football club it doesn't

matter this is pr they sometimes these

oligarchs buy football clubs like that

guy uh abramovic

owns chelsea or whatever

so this was a private bank that owned

and this is where you're gonna get

the money

right

when 2016 it was nationalized supposedly

but he owns

the vet group yeah prevet group there it

is it's not just a bank it's a group

so it controls thousands of companies of

virtually every industry in ukraine

steel oil gas chemical

energy

the prime influence and expertise

you can bet what that means for eastern

ukraine as well this is the pre-vet

group understand

so these two guys were appointed the

governors of eastern ukraine

so

and and all over you this isn't just

eastern ukraine all over ukraine

oligarchs were appointed directly into

positions of power

to lord over the people of if it wasn't

enough that they fucking owned the

commonwealth of the former soviet

peoples economically they also owned it

now politically

right

this is from

march 19 2014

oligarch governor seeks aid to keep

donbass ukrainian so in this article

you're basically going to see him say

some shit like oh my god the

kremlin-funded militants

are calling moscow to step in and shake

charge and they're they're taking over

everything and western countries need to

react very quickly and give us aid we

need urgent economic and humanitarian

aid in the dawn bass or these militants

are going to take over so let me tell

you what's going on

a big broad picture is about to be

painted here

um this is also from

the carnegie institute and it's called

ukraine's kingdom of oligarch so a year

after the collapse of yanukovych's

government hope that the new ukraine can

check the power of the oligarchs and

install a new generation of reform minor

elites is shaky at best

right

so ukraine's government officials and

their backers in the west tend to focus

on russia's aggression this is from 2015

by the way right so it brought down

yanukovych it didn't diminish the role

oligarchs play in ukrainian politics or

to legitimize

fully the power of the central

government especially in the eyes of

oligarchs right

maidan was a tragedy again a tragedy

it's a tragedy the people were duped to

be an instrument of this oligarchic

inter-oligarchic squash squabbles right

between ukrainian oligarchs and russian

oligarchs

um

they were united against yanukovych step

by step funded key resistance groups and

that's a thing like me and jackson

focused a ton

on western

funding for the maidan

but

looking back we should have actually

focused a lot on the way these oligarchs

were funding

the maidan as well right

because

they'll

yanukovych's um grip on power directly

threaten their in their um interests

maidan was a people power movement

directed because yanukovych was getting

closer to russia and russia the

oligarchs as a class are declining and

losing power right again we have to

understand this within the frame of

class warfare

that's exactly what i intend i wrote an

article for cpi news that covered

kolominsky's ties it's on the cpi

website thank you so much chris morlock

appreciate you a ton man thank you so

much

it was none other than

dimitro for tosh who despite being under

house arrest in vienna reportedly forged

the deal that united the political

parties led by poroshenko and vitale

klitschko ahead of the may presidential

election

ukraine continues to be run by oligarchs

today yet the power dynamics between

oligarchic groups has shifted

dramatically most importantly the

overall influence of the traditional

power brokers with control over

ukraine's metallurgical and coal assets

is waning

having lost

point eight billion dollars of his net

worth in 2014

renee ahmet of ukraine's richest man

before the war

appears to be the biggest loser

however he remains powerful and has

ability to broker relationships between

kiev and donbass

where he still controls assets

he has ties with this guy the

self-proclaimed leader of the donetsk

people's republic

and he's widely believed to be working

with forces on both sides of the

ceasefire line

his energy business however has come

under pressure from fellow oligarch

ighor kolomowski who until recently was

believed to be the biggest winner of the

post-maidan era in terms of political

influence

the war in the don best has led to a

rise of patriotism across the country

the population in southeastern ukraine

continues to harbor pro-russian

sympathies of course that does not mean

many residents of the region actually

want to be ruled by moscow this is uh

whatever

their attitudes are this is in 2015.

archive in eastern city remains

vulnerable to separatist-led violence

blah blah blah

okay

so

this is this kind of broad picture

of the maidan actually increasing the

power of the oligarchs

to heights that have never been seen

before right

is the basic broad picture we're rolling

with here right

the question is what is the significance

actually

of this revolution in novorossiya of the

proclamation of the donetsk people's

republics bohansk people's republics and

now with ukraine's special operation the

wider sentiment within russia and the

way the winds are turning within russia

because of the war

what you have going on

is a situation

in which these people who are a bad

investment left behind and kept purely

on a lifeline

by these oligarchs and by this

oligarchic economy and by both to a

certain extent the ukrainian and russian

governments respectively

are now taking up arms

and establishing forms of political

power which remember

forms out of the barrel of a gun

and remember it's political power in

chechnya and in elsewhere that got put

into power in the first place that is

coming at the expense

of the power of the oligarchs whose rule

mind you is not simply as as it is with

capitalists based on their ownership of

certain types of property

but is based on their ownership

and their capture of the state right

so with guns

people in the dawn bass

are finally rising to the occasion of

defending themselves as a people not

only are people

worth investing in as far as economic

measures are concerned as far as the

economic policy is concerned

but as the ends

of

regional statehood of both russian

statehood and

well not ukrainian state to it anymore

but of the

state new russian state that's going to

emerge which emerges nova russia

so you have to understand the immense

social revolution

that is now at hand these people did not

have the revolutionary aspirations of

the western ukrainians the western

ukrainians were sick of the situation

they just started rioting and went to

the streets and destroying things

people in eastern ukraine no matter how

fucked over they were didn't have a

revolution like that

uh

where they're going on rioting on the

streets and and whatever to cause change

they're defending the ability

to maintain the status quo just like in

the iranian revolution that's why i'm

calling it a heidegarian revolution it's

just that the status quo

isn't what you think it is the status

quo is the essence

let's just say the da sign of soviet

civilization

just like in the chinese revolution with

the chinese peasants

you can have the chinese civilization

but don't assume you know what that

looks like it doesn't necessarily entail

agrarian backwardness

and all the rest of that

this revolution that the people in

eastern ukraine are fighting is a

hydarian revolution it's not a

revolution to go out on the street and

implement change

it's a revolution to defend what they

have

and what is under dispute is precisely

what they have and this is precisely

what does undermine the power of the

oligarchs because now

what is being brought to the forefront

is the existence of the russian peoples

and the former soviet peoples at large

if you will but specifically

the russian peoples of russia as a

civilization right

whether or not the ends and aims of

this polarity and this mode of

production

will be about them

them

their way of life

their culture

their inheritance of the soviet union

their wealth and their living being

the economic consequences of this

we haven't even seen as far as the

system that's now in place we can expect

nationalizations to be possible

the oligarchs to have their power

completely undermined

a true revolution for the reinvestment

into the peoples of russia i mean

you want to talk about a democratic

revolution these were regions that were

ruled by oligarchs

the donetsk people's republic and the

lugonx people's republic

chose leaders based on elections based

on what the people wanted

what we're witnessing

is a kind of bourgeois democratic

revolution and that's an outdated

archaic term but it's an authentic

democratic revolution it's like a

revolution

like 1776

was a revolution

where they're breaking up the grip on

political power that the oligarchs have

in order so that the state cannot be

used as an arm

of financial monopoly oligarchic

capitalists this is unprecedented

fertile soil

for an up and coming petty bourgeoisie

to be able to have its chance in the sun

a new era for the russian people a new

era for a russian economy

a genuine and authentic democratic

revolution

it's a democratic revolution it's a

progressive democratic revolution

that's really the crux of what we're

talking about here a progressive

democratic

revolution

that's the story people have been

missing here

soviet democracy was destroyed

by an oligarchic regime

from a materialist perspective

this democratic revolution its

implications are open-ended

i mean it's not even clear whether putin

is going to survive them the russian

people have been awakened to such an

extent

you can't put that back in the box

they are no longer accepting

the necrosis

and the decay

of their soviet past

they want to rise to the occasion of

acknowledging their sphere

their polarity

as something worth not only fighting for

with arms but worth establishing for as

the ultimate ends of a political economy

the russian sphere the russian world is

vlast

this civilization

is now something that's going to be

worth investing in

it's going to be something worth

investing in because people are

investing now

with something more worth more than all

the money in the fucking world and

that's their own blood

you don't think that's the epoch

defining thing

that define that even comes before

capital it does

capitalism emerged from the context of

war from the english civil war to the 30

days war

the ability for the sovereign to

exercise

their power

through blood

is the definitive context that laid the

groundwork for modernity

except in this case we don't have the

abstract sovereign leviathan of

modernity

we have

the vlast

and the polarity

of the russian world

asserting itself

and paying for that in blood

through war

through arms

through life itself

are we looking at the revival of the

soviet union no

we're looking at

something that even goes beyond the

soviet union we're looking at an

awakening

which i still believe the communist

party of the russian federation is best

equipped to provide the necessary

leadership for

the maidan was a false revolution it was

a false

overthrow of the oligarchs

this is the real revolution that's now

happening

you know about all the talk of

nationalizing assets and completely

changing the economy if you want to know

how drastic the changes are

you just have to consult

the changes in symbolism that are being

discussed i mean look at this

the communist party of the russian

federation is seriously proposing

through a bill it's submitting to the

state duma

to establish the flag of the ussr

as the official flag of russia

they are the ones spearheading this

and leading the way and why is that

because they

represent

from the very beginning the independence

movements of the donbass from the very

beginning supporting

crimea's joining an ascension to joining

the russian federation

communist party of the russian

federation from the very beginning

spearheading and representing the former

soviet peoples and the russian peoples

left behind

that's where it draws its material

bedrock of support from them

i don't know how else to cut it to you

guys if you're not already convinced

russia's returning to greatness

from a materialist perspective russia is

returning to greatness

russia is becoming a great power

again

and it's not just because of its special

operation in ukraine

it's because there's a social revolution

going on in russia

there's a class

struggle and social revolution going on

in russia

that is dethroning the power of the

oligarchic class

and what's next for this is an open

question it's an open book

the

the

enslavement

and the sale of russia and its wealth to

international financial capitalism is

over russia is now going to draw its

wealth

through a the strength and power of its

own people

and b

this is what i didn't get a lot of time

to talk about yet

further economic integration

china

needless to say

if you want to just run down in tldr of

this whole situation and what's been

going on here

russia's back

from a materialist perspective

understanding the causes

these events this is a

democratic

civilizational

revolution doesn't represent

the interest of some private class

it represents the interests

of the peoples of the former soviet

union out of the russian polarity

itself

all right ladies and gentlemen that

concludes the news segment

of today's stream however i am willing

to take in pollens and people who want

to debate um

if anyone wants to debate anything

uh

you know

willing to take in some collins now

and we need hostiles i don't have it in

me to have like a discussion or a

cordial conversation so i'm really

talking about debates

going once

owen twice

all right guys well to conclude things a

little bit

you know today was a really nice stream

it was actually a lot of work on my part

uh very exhausting but

appreciate so much of the donations also

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appreciate it don't so much is the guy

in the show is not a liberal he's not a

liberal

he's not a liberal serpent sushi is not

a liberal

so no

oh oh hold on

super chats we have a few more

we do have a few more super chats

thank you morgan 100 correct us

euromaidan was by definition not a

revolution and merely a coup nothing

fundamentally changed apart from

reshuffling of individual oligarchs and

nato allegiance critical points thank

you so much

liberals think putin is fascist now wait

until russia gets a communist president

true

okay he is a liberal okay i'll have him

on well he's he's an elite benefactor

guys so this is not going to be meat for

the gorillas this is going to be a

okay you're now okay let's see

hello

hello can you hear me yes

all right sorry i i had the stream on

first i just had to get that muted i

think everything's all set on my m

good

so um i guess what people would like me

to discuss is in the discord i've been

kind of an advocate for liberal hegemony

and the um pushback against populist and

communistic movements i i imagine that

that's very counter to your position but

i just wanted to engage with you on that

i have a good time i have a good faith

question though

absolutely absolutely

so you say you're against populist

movements and stuff i'm not trying to

corner you here but i do see you are an

elite benefactor which means

and you you donate a lot of money to me

a month so you're you're contributing to

a

just don't want to deceive you of a very

illiberal cause so what is the reason

for that

yeah so i mean i i very much like the

community i like participating in it i

like debate and also i mean part of it's

egotistical i like having the orange

name as opposed to a yellow and discord

i'll be honest there but uh i don't know

i think you're much more intelligent

than people give you credit for even if

i do disagree with you and i think i

like seeing your content so i don't mind

contributing oh yeah i was just curious

but yeah that's perfectly legitimate all

right so uh what what exactly did so you

want to debate principally about this

issue of liberal hegemony

would say so i think that that is

perhaps where i could best represent my

views

and without um putting you in a box just

very vaguely what what do you mean by

liberal hegemony specifically

of course so i would say that liberal

hegemony

represents the collective interests of

western liberal democracies uh this

could be universal but right now we

mostly see it in western areas um and

the promotion of free markets of capital

relations however i'm not explicitly

pro-capitalist i think we are

over-represented through capital and we

need a strong proletarian political

movement so that's also part of why i

support you is i think through what

infrared is doing they can build more

proletarian power i just disagree on the

nature of revolution and communist rule

all right so

what i guess what i'm trying to get at

is why the western liberal democracy

absolutely so i feel that western

liberal democracy represents kind of the

ideal within a hegelian dialectic of

contradiction between the two classes

and rather than taking the marxist or

communist perspective of sublimating a

class i think that contradiction is

actually healthy for the development of

society and progressive in that capacity

i i i kind of it's hard for me to see

your perspective because

within liberal democracies there's

obviously no clear there's no

acknowledgement of classes in any

capacity whether in a formal you know

institutional capacity or in a kind of

capacity of like corporates right i know

there is a specific

uh fascist not to smear anything there

is a kind of giovanta sorry uh giovanni

gentile interpretation

of actually fascism is fitting that

description that you know from a

hegelian perspective the ability to

mediate the different interests of

various different classes through

corporates

represents the realization of the alien

absolute idea right

so sure

it's it's just hard for me to see how

that's true in liberal democracy though

where you have this kind of blank kind

of

see

hegel was very critical of of um

democracy and liberal democracy he was

writing screeds against the english

reform bill that precisely he didn't

like this idea of like a universal state

that indiscriminately rep

represents everyone's rights in the form

of direct kind of elections and we're

all equal before the law and for hegel

that that's that's a state that's not

sensitive enough to the contradictions

you're talking about so

why do you i mean um from how do liberal

democracies

sustain class struggle

rather than just be an accelerant for

the class struggle to lead to a

political antagonism because i mean in

liberal democracy it's very clear that

you you usually have these kind of

polarizations that lead to

you know you have these polarizations

not only in the form of politics but

wealth inequality that leads to a lot of

actual you know social unrest and stuff

so how does liberal democracy

prevent class struggle

so i i think that liberal democracy

doesn't prevent class struggle it

facilitates class struggle and i'm like

more of a pr part of me i'm more of a

proponent of

the

advocacy of working class like relative

power compared to the bourgeoisie and

that could be through unionizing efforts

that could be through political bodies

but it needs to be a conscious effort to

represent workers in order to counter

this uh capitalist hegemony that we find

ourselves yeah but you understand that

that's more of a kind of like

that's not really liberal democracy per

se maybe that's kind of like a social

democratic view

or a kind of more corporatist view

third position kind of you don't see the

contradiction between liberal democracy

and maybe social democracy i think that

social democracy is a more proletarian

form of liberal democracy

yeah i mean but the issue you run into

there is that we did have kind of social

democratic states in the 20th century

um

but they weren't they didn't survive so

i mean what were the reasons for those

states not being able to

persist

yeah well i think um there's a lot of

reasons i i'm not sure if i could like i

might be going too broad so is there a

specific like case like would you want

to talk about germany or why i think

there's like a broad understanding and

you can contradict this if you disagree

with it but i think there's a broad

understanding that what actually

happened was

you know with the

um end of the soviet well not just that

but with the kind of left the 73 crisis

and the newfound economic crisis and

also newfound populistic dissatisfaction

with status quo i mean all this form

together into kind of like a backlash

against

welfare state and social democracy

at that reagan revolution in america yes

and then with the fall of the soviet

union the last incentive

that actually maintain the social

democratic order which was this kind of

ability to be in between the united

states and the soviet union was gone

because the soviet union

collapsed so

the fear that workers were going to turn

to communism was the leverage that they

had

the only leverage that sustained social

democracy in my view was the threat of

a worker's

uprising or

some kind of threat by the working class

and

that was gone after the soviet union so

i just struggled to see how i mean

ideally

it's nice to be able to avoid all of the

instability that comes with like a

communist revolution and all that stuff

but

i don't see how social democracy can

avoid that instability itself

well again i i think that social

democracy is too oriented towards the

proletariat like i think the united

states like what i want to see happen

like i can give you like my proposal of

what i would like to see happen at least

in the united states because that's

where i am is i would like to see this

realignment within the republican party

that i see forming where regional and

proletarian power is more represented

than the democrats who have chosen

urbane and finance capital to be their

base of political representation so i

think advocating for that republican

shift will help counterbalance what we

have as an overly parasitic financial

class that currently operates in the

united states like i think that was much

of the reason for de-industrialization

was like you were saying there wasn't

this strong proletarian power i agree

that communistic states provided that

strength but they are fundamentally in

my view unstable and un uh not

undemocratic but um repressive in their

nature and i i don't support them and i

also don't believe that they

sufficiently increase productive forces

for developing societies

sure i mean so it vaguely sounds like

you kind of want to take on the

establishment and take on the ruling

class that exists now and you may have

an ideal of a future

in which you know capitalists in some

capacity but you are against the

existing class correct

yes but like let's say if i were in

china i would be much more advocating

for the liberalization and increase of

capitalist power in china due to their

overemphasis of proletarian power

well i mean that's just the kind of

hypothetical speaking now right sure

it's kind of bizarre that you then say

though that you want to help

liberal democratic hegemony

when this hegemony is actually an arm of

this very same ruling class that you're

claiming you want to take on with the

republican

talking law so i kind of see a

contradiction i mean how can you retain

that hegemony

when the only reason that hegemony

expresses itself is to serve the

interests of that class

i think i would disagree about it

serving specifically the interests of

that class in my view it's it does serve

the interests of capital like i won't

deny that but in doing so it provides a

mutual benefit for workers by increasing

their standard of living and their

expectations of what they can consume

within a market economy and even for

developing nations it provides the

capital necessary to begin to

industrialize and develop their economy

so that they too can become a more

developed society

right that sounds good ideally but

that's not actually what happened i mean

the u.s foreign policy for example to

maintain liberal democratic hegemony has

not resulted in any

benefit

you know the people um as far as

industrialization of other countries i

mean that's even an even worse case

because

those countries are de-industrialized

because of our policies in relation to

them so i mean i disagree with the

notion that we haven't seen under

liberal democracies a significant

increase in say like a human development

index or gross national income per

capita or mean years of schooling i

think these indices are very important

measures for seeing the quality of life

of individuals and they have increased

from 1980 to 2011 at least according to

the data that i'm uh looking at i could

send it to you if you'd like but i'm not

sure if that would derail the

conversation yeah i i don't i don't

doubt that but a lot of that has to do

there are indexes that do show from 1980

2011 there's been some

movement in the standard living of the

but i mean there's two things here right

a lot of that is just the inevitable

result

of technology increasing which calls

into question

how much how much of missed

opportunities are there like relative to

the level of growth before then things

have kind of flattened out right when

they don't necessarily have to and then

second i don't feel that they flattened

out i feel that we're seeing an

acceleration if anything the flattening

out is partially due to this uh

narrative of environmentalism that we

need to be maintaining and that is uh

like this de-growth narrative that's uh

present in like certain yeah but

the rate of growth as far as the

expansion of western economies is

by no means has retained any from world

war ii

1980

1980 to 2011 the former vastly was a

much higher rate of growth right

so that's what i'm talking about there

and second of all yes

um

the other problem i have

here is that when it comes to concrete

measures taken to defend liberal

hegemony

what i'm saying is that that doesn't

lead to an any type of benefit i mean

even if people have benefited under

liberal democracy right the concrete

measures taken to defend liberal

democracy like

edo expansion or wars in the middle east

or any of that other kind of stuff

people don't see any material benefit

from

so i would say that within nato we have

seen a

a demilitarization of some of the most

violent societies that we have seen in

the past hundred years and a cooperation

that's unprecedented in that regard what

i mean uh what society is in question

sure france germany the united states

i i feel that nato is uh i mean it's a

product of that world war ii you know

it's a product of what happened

afterwards no um nato was a product of

the cold war world war ii

um

did not produce nato well maybe world

war ii produced the european union i

could see a case for that

the concrete economic case

nato was an alliance that was formed to

basically destroy the soviet union

yeah i would say that that's more

accurate i'm willing to accept that yeah

um

so that i mean that's just really more

over what i'm talking about here it's

like

i

i also don't know

specifically why um

one of the issues i have with this

ideology of social democracy and i

really don't like getting in the

nitty-gritty of ideologies but it's like

if you have enough leverage political

leverage to be able to like

implement your goal why not take it a

step farther and just go full communism

because

if you have the leverage to do it you

have the freedom to do right the only

reason we don't we can't go full

communism or whatever

uh depending on how you interpret that

right which is like you know

a complete social revolution and

revolution in the forces of production

whatever it's like it's because we don't

necessarily always have the leverage

especially now so i mean i could be open

to seeing like a communistic like form

it's just whenever we understand um like

the united states or western societies i

mean the people living now

the part of the issue i feel with marx's

analysis was he felt that london or not

that london rather that germany was

going to be one of the centers for this

revolution but what he didn't take into

account in my view or maybe he did but i

feel like uh this was ignored perhaps by

others was that the revolutions occurred

in areas of the least amount of

development and the highest amounts of

stress so marx uh

yeah marx

he um initially actually thought england

it's even written in the communist

manifesto england was going to be the

first

um

and later in their lives they said no

germany but then later in their lives

they said no russia right so there's

this gradual shift where they're kind of

um

rethinking their original premises and

what marx and eagles never did was

arrive at a kind of like

theory of why that was

sure that's something that

that's something that lenin would would

kind of add to marxism which is why it's

called marxism feminism

yes yes um so like just as a point of

like uh i guess clarification i mean you

said earlier that i'm not a liberal and

i mean at a point that was true i used

to be a marxist londonist but i've since

reframed my understanding as i feel that

that project doesn't have a strong

material base for its reproduction and

when we've seen these societies develop

they've been out competed and out

stomped by these liberal democracies and

whether or not that's moral or justified

is necessarily the concern it's been the

reality that they just have supreme

productive and military power

that that's a true description for the

soviet um led eastern bloc and the

soviet union itself but you do have to

admit it's not true for china right

china

is not out competed by liberal i mean

china blew liberal democracies that were

starting from a similar place that it

was economically out of the water in

terms of it it's even blowing the us out

of the water

for that to even begin

right

it took until dengs reforms for that to

begin

yeah i know but china's still a

communist state it still took the

national industrial system built by mao

for granted

which deng had to take for granted in

order to industrialize the country i

mean it took the political system from

taking the rule of the party still and

its ability to kind of see the economy

as like something that it controls and

it plans for or the it doesn't plan for

it in the same way as before

but yes well it actually it still plans

for it but

it just it doesn't use the same

instruments it did before

in this planning right it doesn't use

the same

organs of planning but it still

lands the economy right

so and i think that that planning of the

economy is a big part of why we're

seeing issues around china say like

population having problems i know you

were talking to someone earlier about

this issue which i do think is more

important than you give it credit for

but in addition i think that china

demonstrates

that when you liberalize even from a

socialistic position you have this

explosion of growth and i think rather

than saying that this is evidence of the

communist project working i'd say it's

evidence of the weakness of communism

and the strength of liberalism even when

it's being subdued by a communist state

i i disagree with that because i

wouldn't actually really characterize

china's economy as having been liberal

um

while there wasn't opening up i don't

think that's the same thing as

liberalism i think

actually i think um with

whatever degrees of more freedom and

autonomy

for chinese markets that were opened up

there was also a huge increase in the

amount of control

the government exercised over them so

the same amount of

let's call it liberalization also

corresponded to a proportionate amount

of control

by the government right

so it's kind of like a not a one-sided

thing out of control due to an increase

in technological capacity and

statistical analysis

not necessarily due to the communist

regime

well

um no i don't even think that's true i

think at the level of the extent to

which china really intervenes and

regulates its economy even before the

widespread adoption of computer

technology

um the government had just more control

i mean the ability to so trade with the

west for example is something you would

call liberalization but if this trade

with the west is like

it's just leading to more control by the

party it's it allows the party to

control more things

than it did previously right

um how do you mean

like for example um

the extent foreign investment was

allowed in china but it was only allowed

in a way that was controlled

and beneficial for the project of china

yeah but it was still controlled by the

party right and then um you know uh

there was an extent of markets that were

opened up in china and so on

but only in a way again that was

directed and controlled

by the party so it's it's kind of like a

dual thing it's it's not a once i feel

that that control weakened what we could

have seen as possible growth

that's where i really disagree because i

think in in russia i think russia did

adopt that view where it's like

we're not going to have

the control at all we're going to have

just pure

liberalization but what kind of

dialectics teaches us is that

you

when you are one-sided you end up at its

opposite so

when russia fully liberalized formally

the concrete material result was

actually no change at all it's just

retained that old soviet economy

uh just now privatized with no actual

expansion and growth you you need to

have a kind of dialectic

where you don't have full liberalization

but you take into account

um yeah no

clarification like i'm not a laissez

faire like type no i i understand but

it's like i don't it's not necessarily

true that um

you know

just because china received a certain

extent of growth

uh after the reform and opening up oh

that's just a shadow of what it could

have experienced if it fully opened up

but i think that doesn't take into

account the fact that control isn't just

an impediment

to the forces of production it's a

crucial part of the forces of production

ability to develop in the first place

so why do you feel that there's a direct

connection between control of a singular

party and the increase in efficiency of

productive forces development because

for the productive forces to develop

they have to develop in a directed way

they will not spontaneously

lead to a desired result they have to be

directed because capitalists think in

the short term

whereas a political party thinks in the

long term right so capitalism strictly

think in the short term

even the even like blackrock

the the highest

extent of like capitalist financial

abstraction where

they're going to think about long-term

investments they can only make

investments ultimately based on

precedent when it comes to risky gambles

that are based on like ephemeral ideals

like the well-being of the people good

of the people nation or civilization

that's something that requires political

will

no i i would agree like when it comes to

building like uh large infrastructure

projects or like energy uh like plants

like nuclear power something i very much

advocate for i think these types of

industries very much need government

control and intervention but to me it

should be negotiated through a process

of parliamentary or democratic um

dialectical discussion rather than being

dominated by the uh control of a

democratically centralized party well

dialectical discussion forms the bedrock

of communist parties decision-making

process

um parliamentary statehood all that does

is create artificial barriers

in the kind of organization of the state

and artificial differences that don't

necessarily have to be like with maui's

terms

primary contradictions right i mean like

within the party there's a lot of

differences but everyone recognize hey

we're on the same page we all want the

same thing which is

want what's best for the chinese people

whereas political parties kind of create

these barriers where they say

even if you know it's not about being on

the same page as far as what we want we

have fundamental ideological

disagreements and political

disagreements i'm sorry i'm sorry i had

to change uh the sound output what was

the last minute um

my apologies yeah

a multi-party system is kind of like

defined by like

definite political and ideological

differences

which i don't think lends itself well to

having a unified state i think

you can have differences in

disagreements but if you're on the same

page about

what the state should do and all and

like in a very general sense i don't

think there's a need for different

parties

yeah i think though that the different

parties are able to especially when you

have like i think the us is too limited

and it's two-party dynamic but when you

have the ability to form coalitions and

negotiate among them these different

interest groups can be represented in a

far more impactful way than in say a

communistic or a marxist londoners

society where you have a strict doctrine

that party members have to follow and

then internal debate within that

doctrine i think that that doctrine of

centralization um

land uh collective ownership by the

state and these other things are highly

limiting and to one's own individual

liberty but also one's ability to

develop and prosper

all right well in china there are a

whole host of interests that do get

ultimately represent i think better than

they do in the west actually because

it's serving that specific goal i don't

i don't think there has to be a need

to give formal expression to antagonism

i think if antagonisms are authentic

they can express themselves within

single forms right and that's what

happens successfully within china is

that all sectors of society get

representation through distinct groups

it's just that you don't have this war

with society has with itself

in the form of like this civil war i

mean

and also

what you said about limiting prosperity

man i just don't see that being true in

china's case because

again china's experience like an

unprecedented level of growth and

prosperity

um

compare china has had large

leaps and strides in terms of its

development and growth but when it comes

to its um like what i view as a highly

important figure the gross national

income per capita it's about the same as

thailand still and even though there's

this massive productive basis massive

population you don't really see the you

know you said this

was that the gross

gross national income per capita oh per

capita i i don't

yeah i just i don't think that's um

that doesn't really speak to like

the direction of where china is going it

doesn't really speak to the context it

doesn't speak to the potential

i don't really think it's a very

reliable

um

metric as far as understanding a macro

economy just kind of taken out of

context yeah i think why i like

emphasize this um

in like uh per capita figure is because

when it comes to

developing like productive forces part

of what you need is the human capital of

having a very educated populist a

populist that has money to invest in the

market yeah

well i think that's a non-factor

not not what the things you talked about

but the gross capital because it's

taking a snapshot of something that's

constantly undergoing and there is a

rising chinese middle class and there is

a rising consumer chinese class they're

very educated as well so those are non

issues right i mean

um

but gross capital isn't going to really

represent everything because it it

doesn't take institutions into it right

in

the extent to which those have decisive

significance

yes but when we see like china's like

gdp development a lot of it's going into

and this is part of why it's investing

into the belt and road so hard is

because so much of its production went

into construction and uh like building

up of housing and a big problem there is

that while some of these houses were

eventually filled in a lot of this

development was redundant

and not actually contributing towards

the development of an economy

sorry you're saying that they built too

many houses

i'm saying that the infrastructure that

they built didn't have the economy to

match it and that the issue there no

that's the kind of that's like the myth

of the uh chinese ghost cities and the

basic problem with that

myth is that these ghost cities you see

do actually become eventually populated

it just takes a few years and

people go with cameras and say oh

they're all ghost cities but

again it's taken out of context

sure no i and i understand that but i

don't think that that's necessarily the

unified case i think that there are some

cities that have developed in that way

and i can understand china taking that

policy but more of what i'm talking

about is like where we see these uh

large road like developments uh these

investments in buildings that are

somewhat shoddy in their development due

to poor quality materials and that this

produces an inflated sense of gdp that

isn't really representative of the

prosperity of the people which i guess

is something i value more than the

prosperity of society because i see them

as interrelated

um

i disagree because

it's about a disagreement about what

fundamentally drives an economy and the

things you're talking about are

investments in

in the chinese people okay

and

for china

those types of investments which you

don't make an immediate profit on

ultimately do lead to what is the

fundamental engine of economic growth

because these cities and this

infrastructure that it builds which

eventually becomes

populated in the long term

become sources for the ability

for businesses

to invest in

they become sources to cultivate human

capital from that they become sources to

have new i mentioned the consumer market

thing

yes so this is where i think communists

kind of have it uh reversed i i think

that they're focusing on developing this

infrastructure developing this uh

ability for people to live in a region

before the region has the incentives to

drive the people there to want people to

come so like when you have instances of

like eminent domain being used and

houses being built uh

torn down and people having to move

towards these new developed areas part

of the issue there is that their job

that they worked at is now like an hour

away

chinese people do have

an incentive to move to these places

because

you have if like um

a huge kind of urbanization push

that's a result of the material

growth of the chinese people's wealth

but what industry is compelling that

urbanization and growth

there's that's the beautiful thing about

china it's not like another country

where

there's one industry there is no one

industry

it's a whole multitude of industries

right yeah yeah but like what are

examples of those industries

from what i see is that

really china has like in order in order

to understand china you kind of have to

like

understand the circuit the circularity

of it

it's not the industry is itself

economic growth it's developing the

forces of production whether that's

infrastructure construction

um

mining or manufacturing i mean it's all

the things that develop the forces of

production which for china has become

the ends of a state itself

i think we differ on where we define

what um the mode of production and how

it's developed because to me my

understanding is that

what is a mode of production primarily

for capitalism was this uh and this is

coming from paul cockshot like a

communist he talks about there being

this uh steam-powered steam engine which

produces the capitalist mode and that

electrification and electricity is

fundamental to the communist mode in

some levels i can agree there i just

think that liberalism is much more

efficient at producing these uh sources

of power generation that can then be

used in industry whereas i don't think

that building houses building roads

necessarily produces that industrial

growth it's there for after

you're talking more about like the

underlying

source of energy for all these other

things

um i would say that that's like the

fundamental core because the the norm in

the well that's an interesting thing to

bring up because

the majority of the world has been

reliant on fossil fuels and oil

and china is actually leading the push

not only for like that solar bullshit

but

more interestingly fusion energy right

they're making these artificial suns

i think that's excellent

yeah i mean i so i i don't really

you know

i what i'm saying though is that

their infrastructure projects that are

largely inflating their gdp are not

reflective of those other projects i

think that china as a centralized state

has a really strong ability to mobilize

taxes and capital in order to fund these

uh electrification projects perhaps

maybe better than i think here's here's

the basic difference it's gonna boil

down to this right yeah for china

there's two things that are the prime

want of life work is life primes want

developing the forces of production

and people increasing the people's

livelihood and standard living for them

that is the only real engine of economic

growth it's not only the the ends of

economic growth

that's what drives economies to grow

i mean so when you invested

this like uh increase in the like

well-being or productivity of

individuals like to me that's where that

per capita statistic comes in but do you

have china china still

china has over a billion people it's

still developing right it's not finished

with its developments so i think that's

just

a snapshot of where it is at now rather

than

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where it's going to be in 30 years or so

i mean america had 200 years right

china's

i think they're doing very well for

how how

bad the

starting line was

yes and i and i do give credit to

the

when communists do by the way we gotta

wrap this up soon yeah wrap it up no

worries no worries

uh is there like a concluding point or

something that i should address or would

you like to kind of just end things

there because i feel like we've had a

good discussion yeah we can just end

things right no problem i hope you have

a good one

all right revolution we got to make this

quick and this is the last caller we're

taking in what's going on

it's it's going good um i just want to

debate about uh the cognitive cognitive

dissident

uh when it comes to like the

geopolitical

uh issues when it comes to identity

politics

and uh kind of the ideas between

um

i'm pretty sure you know how liberals

tend to group communism and fascism

together a lot

and usually you could just chalk it up

to an authoritarian

uh generalization of them but as i've

done a lot of research into both sides

because i i don't really identify as a

marxist lindenist or a fascist i i kind

of just been sitting on the fence

essentially but as i've done reading

into

tons of different uh works

uh on both sides i've noticed a lot of

things that kind of

can be interpreted

by people who identify as fascists and

people i identify as communists

where

they really do overlap in kind of a

a way that can make someone hold two

ideas that are basically

uh contradicting one another

and that's what makes it so hard for me

to to pick a side so so to speak

like uh like a big one is like both

bulkasoka i've read

uh the doctrine of fascism by mussolini

and that is basically the what is

considered to be

the communist manifesto of

self-proclaimed fascists and whatnot

so that's where i started first on my

research and as i read it i noticed a

lot of different

uh

you know basically semantics in it and

whatnot

that one could really

say is a lot more materialist than it is

idealist which most people agree

idealism is usually what uh

fascism usually entails

so

i mean historically speaking mussolini

was a marxist before he

basically invented fascism

so we could chalk it up to that but at

the same time

we group movements that are 100 percent

idealist like the national socialist

movement of germany in in the same group

and as i've sort of gone on like a

political journey i've noticed that a

lot of people

are

claimed to be fascists but reject nazism

and it's a really strange phenomenon to

me that if you if i explain to people

that they have a lot more in common with

marxist leninism for example than they

think it just completely baffles them

and i really have uh

i really don't have an exact stance on

why that is

it's more of a phenomenon than anything

um

i don't know if i agree with the

description of um

doctrine of fascism

i think

a lot of

the difference between uh

what happened in italy and germany can

kind of be chalked up

uh geopolitics

right that the situation germany

how it was

handled by uh

nazis

which had precursors and whereas italy

was not as significant

less stakes but

i guess the real question would be um

if a

if mussolini or

had the same mentality or let's just say

had the same material relationship

uh to class struggle

power in germany would they have acted

the same way

nazis i think probably would have

taking into consideration

um

germany's

geopolitical situation and all the

inheritance from

um

i think there is the reason people just

call them the same just fascism

it's not so much about ideology as it's

much about kind of this idea of

um

the former status quo

going into emergency mode and kind of

like

using extra liberal and extra democratic

power

to kind of maintain these zombie uh

yeah that's that's the biggest problem

though that arises about it is that uh

fascism has always been labeled as

reactionary when

mussolini and the doctrine of fascism is

explicitly

revolutionary by description and even

you know the march on roman what not

it's historically speaking is

revolutionary rather than reactionary

and mussolini definitely clashed heads

with a lot of

big oligarchs and business type figures

that tried to invest while on the

contrast

the

nazi germany and hitler and whatnot were

very

very uh

close with people like the rockefellers

yeah like charles lindbergh and like the

well because like that's the thing about

corporatism the thing is is that

corporatism

is um

is defined very vaguely like you you ask

someone what's corporatism and one

person will say oh it's state-controlled

industry right and another person will

say oh it's like a corporatocracy it's

like corporations run the government

it's complete opposites it's like do the

corporations run the government or do

the government run the corporations

well the thing with italy though is that

it didn't actually have a developed

industrial capitalist class so what

happened in italy was that

the main class that was in power was the

landowner class the landowners in the

countryside

owned the land

and what they would do is that they

would turn their land specifically in

southern italy as a speculative kind of

asset

which they would use as a form of

leverage

with which to give out loans for

industrial capitalists but there was not

a great extent of industrialization that

was their fruit of this arrangement but

the ruling class in italy the elite

families

kind of stuff

those came from the landowners that up

to the bankers and all those other

people right if industrial capitalists

we're not that enthused about mussolini

and the fascist and the later on at very

least or in the beginning i mean

i i've seen i've heard conflicting

things i've heard you know that that

were mixed

i've heard seen cases where they were

supporting the fascists especially in

the 20s they all got on board with

mussolini

uh very quickly

but when it came to the violence that

led up to the march on rome

although i i to be to be fair to great

to be granted to you i didn't see a lot

of evidence

that industrial capitalists were like

the main bedrock of support for the

fascists

it was mainly soldiers ex-soldiers and

whatnot it is well just let me finish it

was the landowners

the most acute violence was not

happening in rome in the cities

the most acute form of class struggle

where the black shirts were fighting the

most the countryside it was between the

landowners and the landowning club

and the landless

so that it's a very overlooked context

of what happened

but um

there was also the suppression of that

working-class movement in

in rome and in the urban context that

also there was a great extent of fascist

violence but most of the fascist

violence

was

on the behest of the landowning class

yeah um

so so basically what you're saying is

the the landowners were probably more

like the closest thing to the

proletariat you could get in italy at

that time since there wasn't much of an

industrial base no are you saying that

it was it was basically bourgeoisie um

no i think what actually happened was

that

the communists in italy were too

dogmatic

to recognize

that there was this bulwark in in

southern italy of these rural italian

kind of they weren't necessarily

peasants but they weren't they also

weren't

a you know a proletariat

urban proletariat and they didn't really

learn from what lenin did in russia and

apply that to italy because they're like

well italy is more advanced than russia

we don't have to have we don't have to

learn the lessons of the unity of the

workers and the peasants now later on

communists in italy would kind of draw a

cringe conclusion from workers and

peasants this idea of like

gramsci's hegemony like unite the urban

proletariat with the bourgeois

institutions

and that's how we accomplish

dualistic um

after power but

really what they should have been

looking at was the kind of rule movement

in

italy

which which wasn't addressed i don't

think by any political movement the

fascists weren't particularly popular

among them the communists weren't the

socialists weren't they were kind of my

extent to my investigations they were

kind of left behind

yeah

it is really that's that's really the

main thing that makes it so much of a

phenomenon the whole

like the origins of original fascism and

the way it just kind of conflicts with

things is it

it italy is definitely weird and that it

is a central european nation with a lot

of characteristics that are not normal

of you know

like because normally when we think of

central europe we think of germany we

think of like austria

when we think of italy it's really

they share more in common with

like the the balkan nations in terms of

their historical amount of

industrialization and whatnot and their

politics are really weird for that like

there was a schism

originally when mussolini formed like uh

the fascist combat whatever whatever he

formed originally i can't remember the

name it exactly well when he originally

formed the precursor to the fascist

party there was a schism in the

communist party with a group of uh

ex-communists just like him

that were

still still considered themselves

marxist then ended up joining him

and he created this

huge ordeal where it brought about

basically mussolini

repressing the communist party and

killing a few of their leaders when he

took power

yeah but

i i uh i don't know you kind of lost me

there what what year was that

i i think it was right after you took

power i think it was like uh

what 20 and what was the schism within

the communist party about

it it was about uh

whether or not they should follow

mussolini because the thing is there's a

lot of people that time were seeing

mussolini as possibly like

uh well you have to understand that if

there was a communist party

then it's taking its orders from the

common turn

right which linen linen actually

personally made a statement on mussolini

uh yeah he said that mussolini was um

that we lost mussolini he would have

been a good asset

yeah

so like

that i think that's a good question

the common turns position at that time

on

fascism

the reason communists were the first

kind of anti-fascist was because of the

experience

and they saw

you know what happened there as like a

big lesson

about this new phenomena that hadn't

taken

into account before but

the bolsheviks i was like these are like

the black hundreds right

yeah

which we've already had experience with

before

the problem is that in the modern

context uh

if you just hand your average a person

especially in in western society if you

hand your average person

the communist manifesto and then you

find another person of almost the same

like the the same mentality and hand

them the fascist the manifesto

essentially

really

it's gonna

form the same general

idea of anti-capitalism

but in weird twisted ways that are based

off the same material technically

because it's undeniable i think most

people interested in fascism today

tend to be young people

like or against the status quo

a lot of the ability for it to serve

that

goal

comes from how demonized

fascism is by the mainstream

so a lot of people then come to see

fascism as revolutionary because of that

um

the problem though is that

that's not a reflection accurately in my

view of fascism was a story

and i think a lot of the demonization of

fascism

today

okay

there you fucking happy with the fucking

game

yeah the problem is that historically

um

fascism doesn't historically represent

what it actually is today yeah and

that's what i mean yeah and it's like uh

i think the reason why it's demonized

today is because

basically of like uh i think it's the

it's it's this

emergence of a liberal democratic

ideology

after world war ii

where

fascism was unsust

fascism is always like a secret

arm

used by

the deep state and used by the status

quo around the world death squads and

all that kind of shit as of in ukraine

it's a good example

but the reason why they don't adopt it

you know unanimously here is because it

was just

it it's like the state of the class war

is not so easily

in that direction i do think we're kind

of close to that if you ask me

um

but you know

it's for a lot of complicated reasons

that have to do with like

first of all fascism is like a

determinate ideology and according to

the open society that's a no go i always

see fascism as kind of like a tentacle

of the octopus which is liberal

anglo-saxon liberalism

and the reason anglo-saxon liberalism

doesn't just become fascism

is because that would be like reducing

the octopus to the tentacle it destroyed

the whole thing it'd be an internal

contradiction it's unsustainable

so it's just my view i think i i see

fascism as

a type of

weapon of liberal order

but it's metaphysically liberal still

there's no independent in my view

independent fascist

my number one critique of fascism

will be summed up this way

there is no independent fascist

metaphysics

fascist metaphysics is just liberal

modern metaphysics nietzsche was the

poet of this obviously but it's just

liberal i mean

what i've noticed specifically in my

interaction with destiny's community and

then some

fascist communities before like a year

ago is they both have the same realism

they both

inhabit the same world they both have

the same

metaphysics it seems like you have to be

like an insane

marxist leninist like me

to actually believe in a different

metaphysics like i don't for example

uh i you know why i always say i'm a

lysenkowist

why

because

if you if someone's claiming they're a

true revolutionary and they're against

the established whatever i kind of want

to test you and say

but

how far will you go to call everything

into question will you retain the same

metaphysics as liberalism

with some edge or will you actually go

beyond that threshold

and that's kind of how i test it and a

lot of the times people who call

themselves fascists

they are still liberal realists they

still believe in the same world liberals

believe in

they are just more cynical and realistic

maybe about it but

they still believe in the same thing

like i also think

it's kind of like i think most liberals

believe in race science and uh

race and iq this is actually the most

beautiful example i can find i don't

want to ramble but you know liberals do

believe in

race science

liberals do believe there's such a thing

as iq that's determined by your genetics

and there's a behavioral genetics and

whatever every we're all

we're all determined by like whatever

some biological

darwinian view of things right

all fascists

do is then say okay

we're just gonna take that same premise

and take it to its conclusion and then

the liberal goes oh no no that's immoral

but the fascist says okay who cares if

it's immoral

is it true or not and the liberal is

like well

they can only find recourse into

morality they don't they but they share

the same metaphysics they share the same

underlying

realist view of the world

it's just that

liberals kind of soften

the edge and the

um

kind of bad implications

that has for our humanity with morality

it's kind of like when liberals say shit

like oh yeah we can be transhumanists

and we're able to upload our brains into

computers but we shouldn't because it's

immoral or we shouldn't develop a human

like ai because it's immoral and then

you have to take this ridiculous yeah

and then you have the first place you

have like the nick land edge lord who's

like no let's just do it fuck morality

and then you have a marxist leninist

like me who's like wait a second

you can't do that because it's literally

not possible

like

so

to me i think that's my biggest critique

of fascism and and basically the right

in generals i don't think they ever

arrive at a point

where

they

they um believe in a different world

than liberals it's still this

metaphysically speaking i mean it's like

still the same one it's just

uh

taken to its

extreme conclusion

so do you do you believe so i i know

everyone uses the left and right

terminology but do you believe truly

that there is like a definitive left and

right because i i think the the

horseshoe theory is a little more

accurate today than it was before

since if you were to ask like i said

before if you're after the average

person

chances are they wouldn't understand the

semantics of fascism and communism

they're equally anti-capitalist they

they might accept one of those my my

view is i don't give any essentiality to

left and right but i do think these

distinctions uh

somehow do arise i just

i think my controversial view basically

is um

i think there's a left and right

within

a party within an institution within a

state maybe right

right i don't think there's a general

universal left and right

i don't think it's a universal right so

i just think it's relative and i i don't

think it's it's essential like

let's say there's a um

a war between

syria and america or something right

and right-wing forces are in power in

syria it's like who gives a fuck right

that's internal to syria

so i think geopolitics really does

displace that i think things like that

kind of

displace that in a more fundamental view

than

the political no political spectrum is

unconditional right so it's like

you know um it's not about being left or

right even though that distinction i

think is inevitable i don't think that's

what it's about

yeah i i definitely do agree with you on

the fact that it really does seem like

there is no really universal left and

right as much as there is because the

the funny thing is the alliances we see

that are supposed to be ideologically in

history are are usually more

geopolitics than they are

ideological alliances

and instead the way i i think it

actually truly might be is that within

certain ideologies there is a left right

and center that you could kind of

identify in each one like the nazi party

for example in germany literally had

their own

schism and the night of the long knives

was it was like a three-part thing where

the black front formed which was the

left the left the far left form of the

uh the national socialist party led by

otto strasser and whatnot and then there

was that center

that was more so of uh they weren't as

radical as strasser in the black front

and all these other people

but yeah they they were more they were

basically communists that got well i

think a lot of that had to do with we're

gonna have to wrap this up but um all

right it's getting really late but uh

i think that had more to do

with

not

them being communist where i think it

was like those represented more of kind

of like the lumpen and more criminal

elements

of the essay and the the nazi party and

hitler kind of wanted to go mainstream

yeah i was using that more of just a

broad example because you could see that

in all sorts of types of parties like

even the republican party in the united

states has its populist wing that is

more left-wing and then i think that's a

completely um different case which it's

a very important uh

thing to talk about it's just we don't

have any time but yeah thank you thank

you for coming on and

thank you for having me on yeah no

problem all right guys that's it for

call-ins for today we're gonna have to

limit those next time so we can have

more but we do have some more super

chats

so thank you grimes the replacement of

the russian flag with the ussr flag is

far more than legislation it is

basically an example of the culmination

of the revolt against legacy of the

great enslaver that was yeltsin

can i get unbanned from the discord i

don't know why you were banned

based thank you morlock cockshot maps

energy types to production modes it's a

k-wave-based analysis hydro equals

feudal steam equals capital electricity

equals socialism info equals

thank you morlock and

in i don't think information is a uh

a production mode all of those other

production modes you mentioned were

very much grounded in physics

revolutions in physics

but

can i say something guys

paul if you're a fan of paul coxshot you

must agree with my thesis

that we already live in socialism

because cockshot's right electricity is

inherently socialist

look around us

we live in an electrified world

socialism has clearly prevailed

so even you dogmatic whatever marxoids

you have to come around and

acknowledge it to some extent right

um

you know what that is so intelligent by

cockshot

now that i think about it

because the identification of steam

and specifically turbine power with

capital

i think more so than steam is turbine

right turbine power because steam can be

replaced with coal

steam can be replaced with other shit

but

even electric energy everything comes

from turbine turbines generate

so the turbine is the capital right

turbines generate electricity

and

the way electricity works yes it is

it is yeah it is to socialism with the

turbine is

oh it is steam power

yeah it actually is yeah it's it's it

it's what powers the turbine you're

right

you're actually

right you're actually right about that

a history of power is finding new ways

to spin wheels using water

that's so true a lot of people don't

know that we still use turbines for

power

you guys know how people are like oh

yeah hydro and and um you know we have a

dam and we have a nuclear plant

all of those things are used to

the way we get energy is the same it's

through fucking spinning a wheel we

still do get it from spinning a wheel

and the only other one is air

yeah even nuclear's turbine

everything's turbine

so turbine is kind of a stand-in for

capital i think

with capital becomes an epicycle in

socialism it doesn't just disappear it

just becomes an epicycle of the

production process and no longer becomes

an ends in and of itself

but uh

i am trying to think

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i'm so tired

i'm still trying to think um

what's next

what comes after electricity

you say information

all of that is still coming from that

fucking turbine

okay

there has to be a revolution in physics

only a revolution in physics

uh

yeah i heard gonzalo lira's alive and

well i'm glad to hear it

i kind of like this guys because like

i'm not under pressure to like entertain

you right now i could just chill just

like give me a moment guys to like

feel like how i was on twitch before all

of the viewers leave

uh

remember how on twitch i could just sit

here and do this

and people wouldn't

remember

remember the good old days

i wish i could just sit here and chill

with you guys i wish i could just sit

here chill with you guys