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while i was traveling some people made the observation some Some pussies, actually.

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That, oh, why didn't you do your confronted chairman?

You must have been ducking me.

Well, here I am, bitch.

Back home where I can actually physically conduct these confronted chairmen's's i already started the space so if

anyone can co-host it any o gs can co-host this shit i'm much appreciated because i can't see

everyone who requests but i already started the uh sting and i and I'll share the link

with you all as soon as we get into it.

I want to talk about a few things

before we do that though.

So first of all,

Donald

Parkinson

the DSA guy

So the DSA guy

Donald Parkinson

Got in a little spat with me today

Because he was contesting

My objectively correct

statement that There's never been a successful revolution that has come from within the polis.

It's always from outside.

So Aende, you know, Julius Caesar, even, Robespierre, and so much more examples.

All of these represent failed attempts to change things from

effectively inside the system, inside the political institutions that prevail.

It's never happened.

Every single successful revolution in history has always been brought by

external barbarians. You know, Genghis Khan is the best example of this.

Now, you know, some people take this a little too literally, so you know they hold they have unreasonable expectations point blank what's up they don't understand the essence of barbarism is not the superficial appearance of being a literal middle age

step nomad.

By the way, even for that time during

the Middle Ages, the barbarians, that's

the whole point. It's an irony. They're never

actually barbarians

from the prejudiced perspective of the

settled populations.

The Mongols had culture, they had poetry, they had literacy, they did have an extent to which they were interacting with settled civilization, quote unquote.

But nonetheless, it was precisely because they were outside of the established institutions of power, that they were able to actually challenge real power, right?

And again, you're talking about a minority, a small amount of people that just stood on business.

They went and they knocked on the doors of these cities.

And all they did is reveal the structural and systemic dysfunction that was always there.

I mean, you guys need to understand something.

I talked to Marcello a lot about this.

Like, who runs America,

whether they're, and it's like, it's total incompetence,

nobody knows what they're doing.

I mean, that's their trajectory of quote-unquote civilizations.

They are not very well organized,

just in general, right? And most, you know, law

and order is maintained through illusion,

you know, in a moment of crisis,

is the state actually able

to, in a centralized manner, marshal,

the standing army, and

have this be organized and efficient?

Usually no, actually. And that's why foreign barbarians

often are able to topple empires because they just call the bluff. They reveal deep systemic

dysfunction and incompetence and just, just you know a lack of structural soundness in general

that was always there but was never actually tested in any kind of way they're more coherent

they're more organized it It doesn't take...

You know, I heard a guy once and I totally believe it. He said, all it takes is

1,000 special forces operatives to take over the U.S.

government. I totally believe that shit, you know?

Anyway, look, but as I was trying to say, yes, the great masses have always been activated

outside the centers of discourse, the centers of power.

And that's why, in a sense, in this sense, politics itself is bullshit.

Marxism doesn't concern itself with quote-unquote politics.

It subordinates politics within a bigger revolutionary strategy that involves

the overthrow of the political itself

to creation of a post-political

type of authority and power,

which is exactly what Soviet power was.

Soviet power was post-political.

Are you kidding? You think Stalin was a politician?

You think people like Mao Zedong were politicians? No, they weren't. These were post-political forms

of power. They were not bound or constrained by the discourse or the enumerated procedures and formalities of the polis,

they drew their real power from the rural masses, the real masses, the popular masses. So, you know, people need to understand that Marxism is not limited by politics by any means. Okay, the political is a very limited category of what actual real authority and power actually is.

And we're clouded by ancient Greek prejudices, which neglects the fact that the development of real...

This is why within the framework of

classical Western Marxism, the state has its origins in ancient Greece, which is a little

ridiculous, actually, because look at the profoundly centralized, grand, highly organized, you know, what do you call them? You can't call them

policies. You can call them authorities of ancient Babylon and Acadia and Assyria and, you know, the Mesopotamia in general, and Persia, Cyrus the Great, these were pre-political or post-political, or not merely political at the very least forms of power. They were much more highly developed and much more advanced in terms of concentrating authority for the marshalling and development of the productive forces, and that they don't fall within the Marxist definition of what a state is or the Western definition of what constitutes the political, right? So Donald, but Donald, he's very confused, honestly. He was saying something along the lines of no you're completely wrong

this is bachuninism

and i had a flashback i had a kind of deja vu because in my previous life

i was a member of the russian bolshevik party and i would read all the pamphlets

and polemics in my previous life

and i could have sworn that's exactly

what the Menshevik and Kotskyite and other kind of Placanov and all these other

orthodox, quote unquote, orthodox Marxist opportunist, that's what they'd call Lenin. They'd accuse Lenin

of being a Bakuninist. So I yawn at this, frankly. It's total nonsense. I don't know. This is a

pejorative. Oh, you're, listen, Orthodox Marxism was a project created during the Second International, and Marx wanted nothing to do with it.

Marx himself said, I am not a Marxist, in reference to the early prototype Orthodox Marxists.

And he was referring to the French ones but in russia for example on the

russian question marks did not side with the marxas now does this mean that lennin was wrong

for his polemics against the neroonics and the populace and Lenin's defense of Marxism.

No, Lenin was right, though.

But actually read Lenin's polemics against the populace,

and A, you'll find that he takes a lot for granted from them already,

just as the baseline.

Where he started polemicizing with them lies in the simple fact that they did not comprehend that the peasantry was being divided along

class lines. It was developing in such a way that the class distinctions that you could find in urban centers within Europe or even Russia at the time were actually taking hold among the rural strata. Now Lenin was not going back to this pre-Norodonist,

neurotic dogmatic Marxist position that the revolution is going to begin in the urban centers.

Of course, the Mensheviks held steadfast to that view, Placanov and others.

But Lenin himself still took for granted that the real revolution was going to happen from the countryside.

He just understood that it wasn't

enough to glorify or

exalt the peasant as the subject of

revolution because

class contradictions were taking hold among

the peasantry themselves.

And ironically, it's precisely

this added distinction of understanding class antagonism among the peasantry that permitted Lenin the possibility of actually activating the rural peasant strata in ways that the neroonics and the left sars could not this big broad

tent kind of peasant populism that rejects a comprehension or even an institutionalization of

the recognition of class distinctions within the form of the party,

that can't interface and marshal and mobilize the peasants as effectively as the Bolsheviks were able to,

in a centralized capacity.

I mean, the way the Bolsheviks mobilized the peasants was like Genghis Khan calling upon the

Mongol hordes, okay? The left SRs or the SRs, and they weren't capable of that level of commanding and

mobilizing the peasant strata and population and it's perfectly dialectical

exactly why that is it's a dialectical form and content whereby by lenin recognizing

distinctions within the peasantry he's able to have a better grasp and a better understanding of what essentially made the peasants have revolutionary potential with respect to the established institutions of imperial hegemony within the Russian Empire.

Like, were he to just do what the populace did, which is have this one-dimensional peasant subject as the subject of revolution, then he would not have been able to

actually earn the respect and authority in the eyes of the peasants themselves or lead them

effectively because the peasants are not going to go with somebody who's just kissing your ass or who's just glorifying the peasants are going to go with the one who proves that they can wield what Lars Lee understood as as something common to the entire Russian imperial tradition, which is this kind of super political type of authority that was partial, that was irreducible to politics. You know, the word Soviet power, Sovietskyov lost, that was irreducible to politics you know the the word soviet power sovietzky have lost that word

that second word doesn't actually just mean power in the sense of the english language it it does

have more in common with this more nebulous or intangible or some would even say mystical.

I wouldn't like that.

But some would even say a notion of imperial power, which the Bolsheviks could only grasp in the eyes of the peasant insofar as they recognized antagonisms within the peasantry themselves there would have been no way for them to command authority among the peasants had they not done this because they

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been able to actually be a force of power and authority, in particular in the eyes of the peasants.

You know, the, the, the, um, the, um, the, the, um, the, the, um, the, the, the, um, the, the S.Rs claimed that the peasant was the subject of their politics, the peasant in general, right? However, they were not able to actually establish any institution or type of power that could effectively lead the peasants.

And that's worth considering. They were thoroughly bourgeois in their orientation, at least relative to the Bolsheviks.

Because while they considered the peasants, the subject of politics, the class distinctions that they were ignoring among the peasantry themselves were very much a huge factor in what was going on in terms of who controls the logistics, who controls the modern machinery, the railways, all this kind of stuff.

That was very much a battle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat.

And, you know, the only way to open the gates for the barbarians, so to speak, is to effectively, yes, have a strategy within urban centers to topple the bourgeoisie.

But never forget what the strategy ultimately is.

The strategy is – that's not what Zoran is doing, for example. That's not what reformists are attempting to do. They're not subordinating politics to some greater revolutionary strategy. They consider politics to itself be a vector in the direction of intensifying the contradictions in the revolutionary process.

And politics alone are not that.

Absolutely not.

Politics by themselves cannot be a vector for the intensification of contradictions in that way.

So I don't know if you guys understood that argument in particular, but, yeah, Donald, he's very confused, you know, because then he said something like, well about the petergrad soviet and i just have to

tell these people it's like look these cities that the bolshevik base of power was in i already

made the argument it's like these were kept in check by country bumpkin, illiterate peasant, sailors,

and soldiers, okay? And even the factory workers themselves that actually supported the Bolsheviks

were precisely the ones that had the deepest connections to the rural masses

and to having rural backgrounds.

The more entrenched

labor movement that was there

for decades and decades and decades

and didn't have that much of a connection

to the countryside, They were more with the Mensheviks.

You know, also the Bundis, the the Jewish Workers movement in Russia didn't really have a connection to the countryside, right?

They were decidedly in favor of the Mensheviks and, you know, the right, so to speak, of the revolution.

So the Bolsheviks' real bedrock of support was barbaric, absolutely barbaric.

And, you know, people try to ignore this and downplay it.

Trotskyites especially love to do this because Trotsky had this idea that it's all 40 chess, the revolution, so to speak, and that the whole point is to affect and institutionalize this urban dictatorship over the whole country, that for Lenin and the rest of the bullshicks was just a kind of temporary thing.

But I digress But I digress.

I digress.

So, yeah, people are totally delusional about the facts of history.

And you know what's great about history is that it doesn't end with 1917.

Then what happened? Then we had Mao's revolution. Okay. Then we had the Cuban revolution. Then we had so many revolutions that just confirmed the same thing. And, you know, oh, was it just a one-off? Apparently, they're going to, they're like twisting themselves into a pretzel to create this idea that the october revolution like wasn't overwhelmingly a

rural revolution um but then all the other revolutions that came after that followed the same

pattern even the non-marxist ones, like in Iran, right?

I admit there are some, there are some like ways of interpreting an official Soviet dogma even,

that there was maybe an attempt to downplay the rule, the force of rural revolution within 1917, because it contradicted Orthodox Marx's dogma, which you could argue the Soviet state still institutionalized in a lot of ways.

Mao was famous for disagreeing with Stalin precisely lot of ways. Mao was famous for

disagreeing with Stalin precisely because

of that, right?

So, you know,

and also Donald, he

gets into this

psycho babble, right,

where he's like haze wants this pure

this pure barbarian

I don't know what you're talking about dude

you're like pure this pure

unaffected by

the corruption of civilization.

It's like, I think you're deeply confused, okay?

I think that, yes, civilization has inherently decadent tendencies.

I mean, Engels observed this as a cycle within Asiatic societies, for example.

Marx and Engels were very unambiguous about

the decadent tendencies

of capitalism.

Just because we can acknowledge

a basic framework

in which there is a dialectic of the decadence of sedentary civilization, which is often reversed and often as a countervailing tendency, barbarism comes... I think Engels actually said this directly. Forgive me how I'm wrong. Didn't Engels

directly

talk about

how barbarism was like a

revitalizing force

that like saved civilization?

I'm quite sure he did.

Could be wrong though. Someone check me on that. I'm sure Vol he did could be wrong though

someone check me on that

I'm sure Volkvulture has

has that

anyway it's a very like basic

truism for

anyone with rudimentary sense of history

does it mean we have these undial

notions of

pure barbarism or pure?

No, there's nothing pure about anything.

These are all interrelated processes.

And they

are suspended in the dialectic.

And that's the whole point. Okay?

Volk, was it not Engels who said something about how barbarism replenishes civilization?

Was that in the origins of the family?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was.

I just said the quote was something along those lines

the way barbarism

replenishes decadent civilization

um

yes i'm quite sure

by the way i don't know who's requesting

there's only one guy named Psychonaut.

I want this Trotskyite pussy who

who told me

I should go down to the swamp, quote

unquote. And then he said I dodged

the last confronted chairman.

Where is that fucking guy? Go get that guy. I forgot

his username. But he claimed

he wanted to confront the chairman

and he

claimed that while I was on an airplane

30,000 feet in the

air I was dodging him personally.

Let me make Sewell a co-host, because maybe you can see him.

Yeah, where's that pussy who said that I was dodging him because I was in an airplane?

And let's bring him up.

Okay.

Because here, the chairman is here, and I don't see this pussy anywhere.

Okay.

Now, let me continue.

There's a lot of people on the internet.

I saw, and Donald's replies

it was so cute. You had all these people

going, oh, is sheltered, and he's not a barbarian

and that, dot, that, that, that, that, dot, that, and you

have social anxiety.

Anxiety, keep on watching me. Anxiety. you have social anxiety anxiety

keep on watching me

anxiety it's like you don't even

fucking open your mouth you're typing on the keyboard

and you have social anxiety that makes you

incapable of using your voice

to say anything I mean you probably like are scared of public speaking,

okay? Let's not talk in gibber, your discernment and your judgment about who's what,

who's made of what means nothing, you have anxiety and keep on watching me what's that song

let me play it if let me play that song these people literally they they they rock out to this song

this bitch this is the song they rock out to this song.

This bitch, this is the song they rock out.

Look at Engels.

Only barbarians are able to rejuvenate a world in the throes of collapsing civilization.

And there you go.

Was Engels guilty of some Bakuninism there?

My anxiety.

So yeah, you have fucking anxiety, okay?

Can you shut the fuck up about talking shit about Haas in the stupid

keyboard comments, you pussy?

If I saw you, I would slap you into

the pavement unless you snitch.

Otherwise, it's a joke.

But a lot of people

they yap, they yap, they yap, yap they yap and then in real life i'm sure some

have seen me in real life they've never confronted me because i am actually crazy and i'm about it

um yeah so that's the truth uh i don't know what to Yeah So

That's the truth

I don't know what to say

I think what it is guys is that like

People get too comfortable

Because I'm not a tall

So they're like oh this guy must be small

And then they see me and I'm wider than Putin.

You know, they say in Russia that I'm Putin too.

They say I'm wide Putin too.

When I go to Russia and I pass through their TSA, they say, I can't believe this because the door is too narrow for me to pass through.

They say only Putin is wide enough where we have to like, you know, remove the door and change.

He said, we only do this for Putin.

You're the second person

I'm that wide

so people are terrified

when they see this

you know

um

so anxiety

anyway who's going to come up

who's going to come up

now you got two requests

but both seem sympathetic

I don't really think they're...

I thought a lot of people were coming to challenge

the chairman tonight. I don't know what happened.

I thought Haas was dodging these people.

Where are they?

Where are these tough guys?

One of them said, come down to the swamp.

I don't know what that means.

Come to the swamp.

Why am I going to a fucking swamp?

Okay, you come to me,

you fucking bitch.

As far as I'm concerned, I told you

I was in California. I told everyone. I told

the world, California and Texas,

you want to find me.

I wasn't hard to find.

I didn't find anyone.

She goes, come to my swamp and stick fight me.

Come to your swamp and stick fight you what the fuck are you talking about what

what does that even mean that sounds like like weird what the fuck he was like

white nighting for his beloved, for his swamp queen, some pussy who can't even, apparently he claims that I dodged the last confront the chairman when I was 30,000 feet in the air, but where is he now? Can't find him. Can't find him anywhere. Where's he at? Oh, where's he at? We don't know. He's got at oh where's he at we don't know he's got anxiety that's why he's a pussy so every time

you type on that keyboard talking about fighting i just want you to know that i laugh for three

minutes minimum of uninterrupted laughter because i remember how these

pussies can't even use their voice to confront me and you're gonna physically confront me really

and you're too nervous to do so with your voice?

Not how it works.

You're talking with someone that's not even there.

I love challenges because I want, know I want to they test people

Are you gonna follow through with your

Somebody challenged me to fight in a parking lot

I showed up

I didn't know if they were gonna go there

With a gun or a knife or some

I went

And then I showed up

And then nobody ever fucking Said shit ever again because yeah, I'm that crazy.

Now I don't take you seriously.

You're a bunch of pussies gibbering, talking shit from the safety of your keyboard.

It means nothing.

It's worthless.

The only thing I could now respect is if you can find me, say it to my face, bitch.

I'm not going to nobody.

Anyway, I don't respect people that have social anxiety when it comes to matters of power and authority.

Now, can I respect you if you're like this shut-in who's not claiming all that?

Yeah, I can.

But if you're out here talking about revolution and communism and Marx and Lenin and Che Guevar and Mao and you have social anxiety, anxiety, I keep on watching me

I don't

Who the

You're Weenie Hut juniors

You're like

SpongeBob to me

You're nothing

You're Weenie Hut Jr.

You're like literally

An aunt

I can't take you seriously

Someone named Matthew I can't take you seriously someone

named Matthew claims he's crazier than me

dude

you're literally a name in my chat

that has social anxiety

right every time I see people like you

it's just the same thing.

Anxiety! I keep on watching me!

Like, what are you talking about? You don't have my respect.

Want to earn my respect?

Then, uh, the only way to earn my respect then

the only way to earn my respect on the fucking internet

is if you

bring up a single

intelligent point that I could not have thought of

before.

It's never happened.

Like, say something that I never thought about before.

I will at least tell you, if you can do that, I'll at least say,

you know what?

That's pretty interesting.

I'll think more about that.

If you want to challenge me and you say some dumb shit that I could have predicted and programmed you as an NPC.

Like, do you guys want me to debate myself? Once if you want me to debate myself, because like, I could debate myself better than these people could. Like, I could debate, I'll just debate myself, sure.

I wish I had glasses.

All right, I'll put the glasses on.

You know what, Haas?

Yeah, I'm here to debate you.

Here I am.

So, first of all, why do you think that MAGA

has any revolutionary potential when Trump is a Zionist and there's a bunch of MAGA people who are Zionists?

You think they have more potential than my liberal neighbors?

Well, yes, I think you're evaluating their potential with respect to consciousness

too superficially.

You're not looking at the essence of the matter, what these things mean for these people.

And that's why we're seeing in huge numbers, these same demographics,

turning against Israel, because they realize how much it contradicts the orientation toward

turning away from managing a global empire and focusing on our own affairs. And that was done

without the aid in assistance of Maga commun affairs. And that was done without the aid

in assistance of MAGA communists.

And it's happening in mass numbers.

You know what, has? But you guys are

bigots. You're excluding

huge percentages of the working

class by being bigoted toward people's sexuality preference.

First of all, people that happen to be of a working class background that have these other characters, doesn't mean those characteristics are inherently tied

to the working class before we get into anything okay for example someone could be a fan of captain

crunch the serial that doesn't mean that fans of Captain

Crunch are, that's a

protected working class characteristic now,

an immutable part of the working class.

It's just the logical fallacy. Somebody

could be a member of the working class

and be part of the KKK. Does that mean

clan members are immutable essential working class and be part of the KKK. Does that mean Klan members

are immutable,

essential proletarian characteristics?

No. But in any case,

I'm just addressing a logical fallacy

onto the actual point at hand.

All we are ever guilty of,

we're not guilty of any discrimination or hate

or bigotry. We're guilty

of two things, okay?

One, we will not pay

tribute to any other flag but the red flag.

We're not paying tribute

to your movements and your nonsense. Your private issues have

nothing to do with politics. Second of all, yeah, we tell jokes, and there's a lot of humor in this

movement, and we're not going to change that, and you can shoot me in the head before I'm going to start sacrificing comedy for people's feelings.

And then you go, well, no, something is funny is funny.

Okay, everyone should be able to laugh at anything.

Comedy will never be illegal under my regime, okay?

Real comedy, not just trying to be hateful, because then people go, oh yeah, I'll show you funny,

and they'll, like, go to your house and shoot your dog and be like, ha, this is my joke.

I'm going to shoot you.

That's not comedy.

That's you being a psychopath whose feelings were hurt by a joke.

And you're trying to get back at us by just being like angry, angrily motivated.

Strzetti with the five was going on. Strait with the five

was going on.

So that's the truth.

Okay.

You know, we don't, yeah, so you're,

this is just a false premise entirely.

Okay,

Haas.

Okay, I, uh, I hate to interrupt this very good debate, but we have D-GEN solutions.

I'm going to bring them up.

Don't know what that is, but bring them up.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

See, I can debate my, i could debate these people better than they could or they i could be them better than they can be me go ahead djin so i don't know what the hell

this name is it's uh not a very good name.

He's connecting.

All right. I don't know what happened to him.

Don't know what happened to him.

All right. He wrote a message under your space saying he wanted to debate you, but as soon as they brought him up, he left.

We have another guy, though, named Gabe.

Go ahead.

Bring them up.

Bring these people up.

Go ahead.

Hello, can you guys hear me?

Yeah.

Yeah, so I didn't, I'll give you one second.

Go ahead.

I think this do got anxiety.

Yes. Go anxiety. Yes.

Go ahead.

Yes, I'm not actually a hater.

I'm more friendly, but I wanted to talk.

Did you see the chanch tweet?

I wanted to talk about that.

The self-criticism tweet.

Yeah, that's funny.

How can you self-criticize me on my behalf?

I don't understand how that works.

Kind of seems like a person living vicariously through me that has no business doing that.

Like, how do you like, let me do a self-criticism, and the criticism is targeted toward me.

And it's just like killing vibes.

It's not even a criticism.

It's literally somebody walking in to a party where everyone's having a great time and being like, you know what?

I don't like this.

You don't like this.

Then fucking leave.

Don't fucking ruin our mood

and ruin our fun.

Anyway, go ahead.

Oh,

I thought it was constructive.

I didn't think it was,

I didn't think it was just like a tearing down style hate.

I thought like,

why did he choose the frame?

Why did he choose a frame of me getting down from the table as if I was like hopping around?

Like he literally meticulously chose that frame to make me even like for some, to try to make me seem more ridiculous,

uh, that sounds like somebody who is not operating in good faith.

Well, do you think that's the case that he was trying to, you know, small you down?

Or is he just, you know, taking a picture and then put it,

put it on the tweet? Like, he's a communist.

I think he was trying to embellish a

substanceless point with,

you know, like, oh, look at Haas.

He hops around like the Easter Bunny.

And that's kind of just not what was going on.

So. I thought it it was I talked to him just like a day ago on he does TikTok lives. So I called into a show and I talked to him and I thought like he had some pretty good ideas here if I could like I don't dude I don't know what these ideas are.

I thought that stream was incredibly great.

The only problem was that it was in the middle of the summer.

Otherwise,

it was pretty great all around.

I liked it.

You're not going to change my mind on that.

And I can't take advice from people who have no experience.

That's another issue.

I've been doing this thing where I'm

appeasing you boomer shills for one

year to be respected in your eyes,

to be quote unquote professional.

And it has not grown my army.

I'll be frank.

All it's,

and it hasn't,

it hasn't warded off my vicious enemies either.

So I'm just going to go back to doing what I actually enjoy doing and what I actually,

what has worked.

I'm not doing this thing where I'm going to just appease people and pretend, you know, oh, how cute. Let's all just pretend to be

professional because boomers 70 years ago were like this. And why do I respect these like old

boomer pedophiles that go to Epstein Island. Why should I respect

them? Why should I care about

this false notion

of formality that

is institutionalized by

dead people

and has no basis in anything

but a bunch of like millennials

that are trying to like,

uh,

be respected by their fathers,

um,

as they age older.

They're like,

I want my dad to respect me.

And that's all this whole thing is coming from.

Like,

you know,

come on.

I think the idea is a bit more in like a different direction.

No, I think we live in an age of I show speed and we live in an age of, you know, everyone losing a sense of norms and everyone losing a sense of normal

and losing a sense of anything. And it's totally just a free, uh, as fresh slate for people

to rediscover these things in an authentic way rather than simulate the

appearance of you know i'm not i'm not you know you could be the kid who like tries to like act

like their grandpa you know and well that's tried and tested.

It's like, listen, dude, nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

The least you could do for people is make them smile.

And that's why Logo has a great idea of doing carnivals.

Yeah, I don't think he wasn't saying that you should be more professional or something like that. I see what you're saying there that more of an authentic expression is kind of what connects with people. We were talking about like if you want to get like the ACP base, the demographic is going to be like young midwestern white guys.

I don't think like talking and fighting with the DSA and these kind of types, like coastal types,

I don't think that's going to really generate interest from that crap.

I think like the far right, those people are who are...

Yeah, but they don't debate me.

They don't debate me.

Those people don't debate me.

And also, you know, I can actually disagree with that

because I think that, you know, a lot of the time

when these people that got into the far right pipeline see me actually distinguish myself from these, like, retarded liberals, they're like, oh, I didn't know it was possible to be chill like this.

You know, they feel like they have to.

Can you understand something?

You know, all these people you're talking talking about I talked to a lot of them

within the ACP like so many

right all these white

young white people

and you know what they'll tell me they'll be like you know what

I was in PSL and I was in DSA

and like, what they would tell me is that

sit down, you're white, you can't talk

because you have white privilege and

like all this crazy shit.

And they were like, had I not found you, I

would have become right wing because like

I can't

just, like, live with this humiliation

and indignity of just being

targeted and attacked for

some dumb... It's like, it's so, like,

disempowering.

Yeah, I agree. I think that's where...

So it's like... That's where, where the ACP could come in handy.

When they see...

I don't know, but when they see...

Yeah, I know.

But when they see me distinguish myself, that's how they found me.

They realized they didn't have to be...

The people think that ACP exists

to like put left-wing people into a far-right pipeline.

That's not true.

What ACP does is it in or what infrared does, I should rather say, because we've been doing it for a long time.

What infrared does is we intercept people

who are bound for that pipeline

and we show them there is a communist

alternative. You don't have

to go with the right. You don't have

to do this shit just to maintain

both your dignity and

a type of radicalism against the system.

You can just be a communist.

You can just roll with us.

We are the chill ones.

Just a lot of people don't know about us is the problem.

Yeah, I think I've seen it.

That's my experience.

My experience is that people if when they if they know that we

exist and we're viable they go with us the ones that are too far gone are the ones that have

already made and established themselves in the right wing circles.

But like, you know, that's why the Bapis and then later the Fuentes people, they had to create this lie that, oh, infrared and Jackson, they're just third worldists and they hate white people and their

reasoning for us hating white people is that we don't hate black people and we don't hate we don't

think they're subhuman and and and are inherently inferior or something.

So they claim that we're anti-white because of that.

And they had to go, they had to roll with this lie, you know, because they understood that we were so dangerous in terms of ruining the pipeline for them.

There's a straight pipeline for...

I debate Gropers on Discord.

I've had a few conversions into communism

with my friend Adrian.

Like, communism is Like, you know,

communism is not,

you know, in the non-woke sense,

you know,

without all the identity politics.

It doesn't really turn off these,

uh,

Midwestern young white guys.

And that's why I think like,

no,

it's even better because 99% of normal people just want to be able to tell jokes without someone screaming at them and ruining the vibe.

They want to be able to chill and, like, not be like, have a fucking social environment be, like, made really awkward.

And, like, you know, like, I was chilling with the, chilling with the with with with I think it was with like the Texas guys and I was just like you know you know what like leftist social environments are like like everyone sitting here laughing having a good time then somebody walks in and is like okay I know you guys are having a great time. Then somebody walks in and is like, okay, I know you guys are having a great time,

but remember, trans kids are dying. And then everyone goes silent and like, everyone has to like

pay a tithe, just even socially, like on a social level. Just like completely killing the vibe. vibe and like nobody's allowed to just like chill like or like you know i don't want to say enjoy but like yeah that's part of human experience is like being able to enjoy, you know,

have a social environment that's enjoyable.

So it's like,

I used to take a moment to do like land acknowledgement or some shit.

And it's like,

you know,

that's like 99% of it.

Honestly, most people are totally fine with communism.

You think people have a fucking problem with the idea of like nationalizing shit and like expropriating the capitalists and and giving giving the wealth back to the

nobody has a problem with that what they have a problem

with are these sour-faced

just unbelievably

like just like

horrible people to be around in general just vibe

killers and total just fucking losers

that are like leftists who just do not they're not on to be around and yeah i did the

yeah yeah haz like on two levels i think i think um in like the coastal area like new york

city and l a in washington i think they're more tolerant of this kind of like puritan uh

identity politics you know they flourish there i don't think we can deny that.

But certainly not in like the Midwest and the South.

Like this rope stuff is not,

you know,

no one likes that.

Yeah,

but,

you know,

the whole thing is almost over because everyone's just going to the far right right now.

So,

you know,

the way I see it is that, you know, it's a, it's not a marathon.

Sorry, it's not a race.

It's a marathon.

Uh, they, they shit the bed.

If, if they would have not, all they would have to do is not attack infrared in

2021.

If the DSA pieces of shit would have just left me alone in 2021, I would have single-handedly

stopped the rise of the far right.

Absolutely 1,000% I would have.

They're the ones who put all of their resources into making sure that I was gate kept away from getting a bigger platform.

Right.

And that included getting me deplatformed on platforms like Twitch and just being slandered and gate kept

having fucking these stupid big streamers

say nonsense about me, call me a Nazi, call me a fascist

and now look where we are, you know, they got what they wanted,

they got what they wanted.

Good thing, we stopped infrared, the fascists, and now the actual, like, Hitler people are, like, straight up just, like, running shit.

So...

Yeah, you said they're gatekeepers. I don't know if they're gatekeeping the Midwest at all.

I think they're probably gaykeeping the coast and stuff. They're gatekeeping the midwest at all i think they're probably gatekeeping the

cussing the internet dude they because the whole fucking strategy they did how dirty it was what they

did the dirty ass shit that they did was they said, Ha's an infrared are fascists.

So all these people that fucked with my message

or that would have done so,

they're like, why would I go with infrared

who's a crypto-fascist and not just an actual fascist

so everything that i did that was good for communist politics or communist principles

fascists were able to take credit for and it's like what they were they they tried to portray me as a fascist and in doing so

it didn't make me less like uh it didn't make it that less people fucked with me

it just made it so that those people respected me less because

they were like, oh, if you're a fascist,

then

what demographic are you talking about?

Like, the Midwest.

People in the Midwest don't even know about any of that

trauma. I didn't know about any of that. Yes.

But to whatever...

I think I'm like the average

archit. To whatever extent these people would

discover me, all they would see were the Reddit

threads and all these fucking pussies saying

infrared and haws are fascists, yada, yada, yada.

So that just made them more

interested in fascism

Because they're like why would I go for the fucking fake shit when I can get the pure undistilled

Version right and then they lost their minds going so all the people that I could have saved

They dumped it.

They squandered it.

That's why I call these people fascist collaborators.

But, but, Haas, what I'm saying here is that I don't think the DSA is, like, their audience is not, has no overlap with the ACP target audience.

That's why I don't think there's any use in response to.

They used to.

They absolutely used to.

Three years ago they did.

A lot of these people were watching Breadtube and shit.

There's a pipeline from Breadt the to the far right because of that

they were they were watching it absolutely yes but what about now now it's uh you know now is a

different world but what can i say you know uh the far right you know, now is a different world, but what can I say, you know, the far right, you know, my

prediction is the far right is just going to fail. It's going to fail and then, and then we're

going to come in. I'm like, we're the only ones that haven't lost our minds.

I think you guys should try to exploit that right now.

That's why I think the ACP should be debating like far right people and be a contender.

Okay, so sorry to interrupt.

It's been about 10 to 15 minutes.

All right.

If you want to continue, you can go ahead. Listen, dude, I have no problem debating those people.

They just don't want to debate me.

It's just the same.

Yeah, we got three people waiting.

The leftists would gatekeep.

They do the same shit.

They fucking, they don't, my name is blacklisted.

I'm...

I take a black...

They tremble.

They tremble in fear at my name.

So it's the same dynamic.

Thanks for the...

Thanks for the conversation, yes.

For sure.

Let's bring on...

Okay, who do you want to bring on next?

There's three people here you could choose there's one who's a former

naval aviation guy there's a social nationalist and then like a roman warrior guy

right bring the uh aviation guy all right all right all right

all my mom yeah yep you could go ahead.

Oh, hello, I'm on.

Yep.

Yeah, hi, I just popped on about five minutes ago.

And boot me if this derives the conversation, but what is the AACP?

American Communist Party.

Okay, so you're communists.

I'm not here

argue or be hostile or anything. I'm not a communist, but

what would you say to me? I'm like a

Midwest, white guy, got a wife and kid, house. What would you

say to me to give me over to your side?

Well, what I would say is pretty simple.

Our country's been hijacked.

Its resources are stolen and centralized

in the hands

of people that are not

loyal to this country or its people

and they're using that as leverage

to turn the population here into serfs.

And the only...

Sorry, I don sorry, I'm

sorry, I'm going to interrupt you mean like by

corporations, right?

Corporations, banks,

Black Rock, you name it.

That would be like

how, you know, like

housing has become

affordable for a lot of people

and that kind of stuff, right?

Yep.

Okay, so, like,

what would you guys

like to see happen to

fix all of that? I mean, when I hear

communism, I hear, like, total state control of that. I mean, when I hear communism, I hear like total state control of everything.

What's,

how,

no,

it's not,

we don't see it that way.

We see it more like,

you know,

communism means you put the common interest first.

And what does that look like well first of all this debt that we have that's 40 trillion we did constitutionally and in the sovereign capacity

vote to take that debt on it was imposed on on us. So let's cancel the debt. That's the first thing that's in our program. Cancel the debt. And, you know, communists, we think that the USA, the land, the resources, the wealth, ultimately it belongs to the American people themselves and no one else.

Now, does that mean everyone should have to share their personal belongings and the stuff that they make themselves and earn themselves?

No, not at all. But what it does mean is that, you know, at scale, when it comes to the things that we all depend upon in common, you know, our natural resources, our infrastructure, even our giant companies that are at scale and things like that, those should be entrusted in the common interest. Those should be managed and administrated for the purpose of the people. We should be the stakeholders in the entire thing

and the whole thing

should be meant to serve us

and nothing else.

Not foreign investors,

not people sitting in New York,

not speculators,

not gamblers,

but we the people,

you know?

And that does mean, that does mean that does mean

violating

the private property

of Black Rock

and violating the private

property

of these giant

you know

forms of control

and and institutions but you know, forms of control and institutions.

But, you know, what they've done is that they've said,

oh, you're going to violate private property.

What did they do in the 50s?

They started to try to say that private property just means individual property.

So we all have a sign on our lawns

that says private property, right? That's what they think people in their head and they think

private property, you think this is my lawn, this is my house, this is my car, this is my stuff,

this is my garage, these are my tools. and that's because they brainwashed us to think

that's what it means that's not what it means those are just what you those are the things

that belong to you as your personal belongings your individual belongings right private property

it's an institution where they basically take, they rip apart from our Commonwealth, you know, crucial portions and they entrust them for the sake of profit mongering for its own sake. You know, interest, interest debt these are the things

that flow from the principle

of private property

over common property

that's very interesting

I've often wondered how

what the differentiation was there

and that was a pretty good explanation.

I was also wondering, too,

like, how

you know, if

you know, we don't't we don't like how these big corporations are you know basically gobbling everything up the

the resources and whatnot um yeah that's not great.

I get that.

But who is in a better position or who should be in the position to, you know,

make these decisions or call these balls and strikes?

I don't know if you like my answer, but what I'll tell you is that the problem right now,

and this is a direct answer, so don't think I'm trying to get around it, I just want to

better explain where I'm coming from when it comes to what does it mean to trust that in

the common interest.

Now, can we guarantee that if we do that through some kind of institution or through some kind of alternative system that it's going to play out in everyone's favor and there's not going to be corruption and there's not going to be people who try to abuse it?

Of course we can't

guarantee that. But the difference is if we institute a principle that says these things should

serve the purpose of serving the interests of we the people and being administered for we the people, then there's

accountability. Then we have a standard to hold the system to. Then we can say, this is your job,

and this is what you're supposed to do, and you're not doing it. We can't even do that right now. Can we tell Bill Gates that he's not managing our farmland the right way? Can we tell Monsanto that what they're doing is not good for us, good for small farmers, good for our land, good for our crops and resources and our health in general. Can we

tell these companies that deindustrialize that what they're doing is not good for people's

livelihoods, that they're taking it away? Can we tell people poisoning our common environment that what they're doing is not no we can't

because ultimately all these things belong to them on paper it's their private property they can do

whatever they want with it and yet it's affecting us in common in ways that are negative and we literally

there's no accountability.

There's nothing we can do about it.

Frankly, like, I'm inclined to not agree with anything you people say, but that was a pretty good answer.

You know, I can't really disagree with why you said.

I don't know who, like, again, I don't know who would be in a better position to police all that.

I mean, I'm going to go back to the old... i mean i'm not

go back the old the old uh

the old

son bones of saying well look

at how communism turned out in other countries

in the 20th century but

we also got to be wary of where you know do we trust what we're told

but look i i yeah fair point i don't like communism but i also don't like i don't like communism, but I also don't like

I don't like what I've been told about communism, I guess.

Yeah.

But I also don't like, I also don't like

the way things are going at the moment either.

I mean, you know, the Black Rock

and all that, and all that stuff. I mean, you know, the black rock and all that

and all that stuff.

What we communists believe,

we don't think

anyone's going to come save us.

We don't think

there's going to be a big state

that comes and save us.

We don't think there's going to be

a big savior that comes

and rescues us.

We don't think there's going to be

someone,

including myself, that has great ideas that's going to come save everyone.

We believe that the only people that can save America are the American people themselves.

We just think communism is a good framework when it comes to matters of principle to be the leading principle for that.

You know, how do we bring to the American people the self-confidence?

How do we bring to them the consciousness?

How do we bring to them the ability to wake up and realize the power that they already have.

That's how we see communism.

But we don't think anyone's going to save the people but themselves.

I like that, but how is that going to manifest itself? Is it going to be

a revamping of

our government? Is it going to be...

I think so. I mean, I think

that's... I think that our

Constitution has not protected us

from what's to come. I mean, they're

dismantling it. They're creating their own.

I'm not saying this is just a Trump thing. Biden was doing the same. They've been doing it for decades and decades.

You know, and eventually the government's going to stop working as it is. and we're going to be left to fend for

ourselves and figure it out ourselves you know i think communism is a good principle because

you know instead of us being divided on racial lines or on other lines you know know, it's a common framework for the common interest

of the American people.

So why do you call it communism?

It doesn't sound exactly like communism, like how people, when they hear communism, doesn't sound like the same thing.

Well, you know, communists 100 years ago in this country sounded exactly like I do right now.

They were here during the Dust Bowl.

They were going down to the, during the Great Depression during the Dust Bowl, they were going down to the, during the Great Depression, during the Dust Bowl,

they were helping ordinary Americans and they were coming to their aid. Everywhere Americans

needed justice, the communists were there to help them out, labor, you know, local farmers,

you name it. And because of that fact, you know, uh, local farmers, you name it.

And because of that fact,

you know,

the,

what did the system do?

The ruling system,

they went on a crusade and they,

they demonized all things,

communism.

They made it a dirty word.

They made people terrified of it with the red scares.

And there's a reason for that, you know?

They didn't just do that because

they decided

they wanted to be honest. They did it because

the moneyed elites were

terrified of communists being successful

in this country because the message used to really resonate with people here it used to be an all-American thing that people that americans really did agree with because it made sense to them because our country was supposed our country was founded you know as a as a constitutional republic by foreign of the people, a simple principle of unifying us, you know, out of many one, e pluribus unum. And for a lot of people, communism made sense, you know, where nobody could claim to be superior than another because of their lineage.

Like, for example, in Europe, they had the aristocrats with powdered wigs, and they would say that they're superior.

Other people had to be serfs and slaves.

And Americans didn't like that.

They agreed with the communism that we all, in the eyes of God, we're all equal.

Now, are we all equal in the sense of our ability and our talents and skills and, you know, and our physical characteristics?

No, obviously not.

But in some sense, yeah, nobody's better than another.

Everyone has a soul.

Everyone is given...

Everybody has a mutual purpose, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, uh, tank. given everybody has a equal purpose now yeah yeah um so uh dang dang i should have had a note pad because i had these questions i i'm thinking of and losing as uh as you're talking uh my question is then um see do don't, I'm not well versed on communism.

Is your, because communism has like a tinge to it, a dirty, a dirty feeling or whatever.

Do you believe in communist, like, okay, so it sounds like your view of communism is not the crackdown on the personal property side of things.

That is the crack down on the private property side, meaning the corporate interest and the corporate control and

that kind of thing, right? That's exactly it.

That's exactly it.

So is that

the classical definition

of communism?

Because when I hear communism,

hold on, let me, please finish. But when I hear communism, let me, hold on, I could please finish, but when I hear communism, I think, you know, the state takes over everything, you know, just like you hear the stories from the Soviet Union. You know, you had a farm and they come to collect the grain and if you were to have been found to be hiding even a kernel of grain, then you and your whole family are dead. Because that was not your grain, that was the people's grain. Now, how is what you believe different than that vision of communism? And if so, how?

Well, I'm not going to speak to what was said about Soviet Union, because I don't think that's accurate. But to your point, I would

say my vision is different because

we also believe in a lot of things that came from the

Constitution, like the Second Amendment.

People should have a right to self-defense.

If there's tyranny,

people should have an ability

to keep tyranny in check uh so we believe in that

we believe in people we believe in a grassroots rule just as much as we believe in a centralized

rule so both and you know if some highness

stuff is going on

you know where there's actual

tyranny and families are being

killed for you know touching the people's grain or whatever

it's like

you know there needs to be people need to...

It's also back to what I said before.

The only people that can save America are the people themselves.

The people need to be vigilant and have the ability to defend their rights.

In the same way that they restore their rights they need to be

safeguarding their rights and defending their rights that's what we believe otherwise you know

how are we going to restore our rights it's the only way it's going to happen is if the

American people themselves wake up all we want going to happen is if the American people themselves

wake up. All we want to do is wake up the American people. We don't want to force them to do

anything. We just want to wake them up. And if they're awake, as long as they stay awake,

no government and no tyranny will ever be able to abuse them again in the way that they are now

right on man like i don't i don't i don't hear anything that you're saying other than the word

communist which just as like i said i it got a certain connotation to it.

Not hearing anything you're saying

that's super alarming to me.

And again, I just jumped on this space last,

you know, just out of the blue.

I just bored on a Thursday night

and said, hey, I'll see what's out there

and rat it on

you guys, but

you know, right on, man, I don't really disagree with a lot

of anything you're saying.

Yeah, and you know, look,

we get that a lot. I get that a lot. It may come to as a surprise, but a lot of people, they do agree with what I'm saying or what we're saying here. You know, it's just there's a stigma. You got to ask where the stigma comes from.

Why are we being conditioned to respond?

Well, let me ask you this.

If I may.

Have you thought of using a different word except communism?

Because I feel like the word communism right off the bed just turns a lot of people off. Yeah, I've heard that too, but I'll tell you what my response

always is consistently. I think our system is so corrupt and rotten, and it's so beyond salvaging

that, I mean again

all you got to think about is 40 trillion in debt

okay now that's just the tip of the iceberg

frankly

you keep going down the iceberg you see Epstein

you see a lot more

but that's the tip of the iceberg, right? And there needs

to be a radical wake-up call in people's consciousness where they stop taking everything for

granted and they start reevaluating the fundamental principles of what makes us as a nation.

You know, the thing that people are scared of, that word communism, I think that's the people

scared of their own shadow.

And we don't want people, we don't want to sidestep that.

We want that fear to be confronted and conquered.

And I understand there's an initial reaction of the word is bad, it's dirty, there's a kind of fear, there's a distrust, there's a dislike.

But the only way to overcome, put it this way, if somebody is being kicked on the ground,

that person, if they're being bullied enough, they're afraid of their own power enough they're afraid of their own power they're

afraid of their own shadow the only way you're going to get them to stand up is if they

look at their own shadow finally face their fear and confront their fear and

own it and once they can do that nobody's going to be able to kick them down on the ground anymore.

They're not going to be the bully anymore. They're going to be able to defend themselves.

That's how we see it with the war communism in this country. And that's why we don't want to use a different word.

We want people to have that confrontation where they take their power

back. Take back

the thing that they're made to fear,

which is their own ability

to take this whole thing back.

Again, excuse me, trying to finish my supper um i don't disagree with that either i mean

not trying to tell you how to run your page your organization but you know, you sound like a real people

people first, common man

first organization, and I just feel like

look, I jumped on here because that word,

the communism word, piqued my interest.

And I've got a very negative, you know, reaction to that word.

But what you guys are saying is not super crazy, know like like reeling the power on the you know

all the people wheeling and dealing and gambling and rack up the debt and you know the puppet

masters and all this kind of stuff i don't I don't have a problem with that, really.

But

that word is so

damaged throughout the 20th century.

Oh,

trust me,

I get it.

I get it.

But every time someone asks me is I got to tell them how I see it, you know?

Well, so what, what, I'm sorry to drill down on that it so hard.

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but why insist on using that one word?

I mean, like, what about,

what about your ideals is

communist, exactly?

Well, because we see it as a tradition.

You know, we're not the first.

And there was people

who understood these things

that came before us.

And they had varying degrees of success in this country.

And that's another way of saying they had no success because they were totally eradicated.

And they were in this, I'm sorry, in this country they were eradicated and uh they in this i'm sorry in this country they were eradicated

yeah they were they were made criminalized and their reputations destroyed and they were blacklisted

and are you talking about like the red scare kind of stuff yeah yeah yeah

showrunner what's up

correct

please correct me if I'm mistaken

I'm not probably as well versed on this as you

but they were talking about like

straight up communist like state

control of stuff

like that was the concern back then

right no no these were communists

that were going down during the dust bowl

in the 30s and they were

going into labor and they were

they were fighting for the common man.

And, you know, there was a lot of fear that was generated about them by the same corrupt people that had everything to lose.

They had this corrupt thing going where they were trying to create a shadow government through Truman.

I don't want to get too much into it.

And basically hijack the Constitution, create all these unconstitutional federal agencies.

And they were worried the communists were going to keep them in check and challenge their

agenda. So what they

did is they demonized all the communists to

shut up the only opposition

and the rest is history.

You know, they had the Kennedy assassination

about a decade

or two after that. And the empire was born, you know,

and the communists were the people that were going to stand in the way, the first once.

You mentioned something that I, well, you mentioned the unconstitutional federal agencies.

Which ones would those have been?

Well, you name it the CIA is probably the biggest one

that's been terrorizing the American people

but you've also got the FBI

the ATF

you know

you could just probably every single one of them

is unconstitutional frankly

I thought you meant like when I hear like federal Every single one of them is unconstitutional, frankly. Gotcha.

I thought you meant, like, when I hear, like, federal agency, I think, like, you know, EPA, FDA, that kind of stuff.

Well, you know, that's, it's kind of subjective, you know, I mean, we don't want our food to be poisoned necessarily.

No, me neither. Yeah, but, you know, look, the, the NSA and the CIA and stuff, and even the FBI, you know, what they, what they have done, their track record is not exactly clean, you know.

Well, what they have to deal with is just rife.

It's a fertile ground for corruption and, you know,

it's gold dougar, whatever you want to say.

It's really horrible

I mean

I feel like we know less

and half of

half of the

junk going on out there

I'm trying not to curse

I'm really trying hard

oh it's okay

no problem

I bet

cool

yeah

it's not well you have more to say I'm willing to listen.

Otherwise, I'll, you know, do whatever.

Well, look, all I'll say is, I don't know which state you're out of.

Minnesota.

Minnesota.

Oh, wow. That's interesting. Communist already. Well, state you're out of what's Minnesota Minnesota Oh wow We're communist already

Well we've got

You know we've got small chapters

In most states

Including Minnesota

I'd say visit our website

You know if you're interested in

Attending a chapter event

just to meet our people

and, you know, you don't have to join,

but you just can meet our people and

talk to them. I've had a great...

Yeah. Yeah, I've had a great time

chat with you guys. And like I said,

I don't need to bang on this.

I don't want to sound like an asshole or anything,

but you're not

based on just the

tagline or

whatever title of this space.

I wasn't sure what to expect.

But I didn't expect.

I have a lot of people

that there's a whole lot of people

that they claim to be

you know,

leftists or whatever

and they have a big problem with me

because they don't like the way

they don't like what I'm doing you know they want

they have an agenda they the Democrats don't like me because I try to tell people

we need to break out of this two-party system

but yeah you seem you seem to be outside of the typical political spectrum.

Yeah, absolutely.

And a lot of it put a target on my head.

But look, you know, if you're in Minnesota, I'm not trying to you know all i'm saying our people you know

what we do is we do community service we do labor organizing we throw barbecues we have events

it's full of normal ordinary people um and they you, they're trying to do right by their communities.

They're trying to discover and investigate corruption.

They're trying to defend our rights.

And if you meet them yourself, you'll find that, you know, you'll see that.

I always tell people, go and try to meet our people, try to see who they are yourself with your own eyes.

Don't just take it from me, you know?

You know, and I've always kind of thought that, like, you know, we can all watch, we can all listen to the radio or watch

the TV news but

you know you and your neighbors and most of the

common folk are just

just trying to scrap together a living

you know be cool you know

absolutely over their head feed their family know, have a little fun and

bring it out for the gravy.

We love the word common sense, because most of everything is common sense.

We're just so brainwashed that we're taught that what's common sense

is just the opposite

sometimes, you know?

We're taught that given all our money to foreign

causes is

common sense when it's just the opposite

of that.

So let me ask you, since you brought that up,

so like, what's your guys' stance on, like, foreign aid and the whole Ukraine and Israel?

Shut it all down.

Shut all of it down.

Are you kidding?

I mean, with how much taxes we spend, every dime needs to be going back.

And we need to see results. We need to, they can't just say it on the books. We need to start

seeing, having better roads and highways and infrastructure and and

transportation systems we need to

see it you know

so that's what I'm saying man is kind of like an

America for and don't let the Trump

thing infiltrate this but it's kind of

an America first like they care of our shit here

first right it's common sense absolutely America first. Like, they take care of our shit here first, right?

It's common sense. Absolutely.

That's what a country's supposed to do.

I mean, pissing up, because

in Minnesota here, we got,

look, I understand things are not good

all over the world, but we're bringing

in so many people here.

And I, you know, we've got a lot of Somalis and

African refugees, and I'm sure things are rough

there. But my thing is, hey, as long as we got one

American homeless person on the street,

what are we doing?

We know, helping out somebody

else halfway across the globe. We're,

we put our bases over there. We're causing

all these problems there. Then we take the refugees

and I'll tell you what the purpose is.

They are trying to

drive the wages down for the American worker.

They're trying to make people to work in for cheap.

That's exactly what it is.

So they're trying to cheap in labor and we can leverage of the American worker.

And the whole thing is designed to drive our quality of life down. and we can leverage of the American worker.

And the whole thing is designed to drive our quality of life down so that they can save a dime.

And it's like, what is this all for?

It's not for us.

It's not for our best interests.

It's for them.

And all their money, it's all in these islands.

It's in these Caribbean islands.

It's in these islands.

Offshore banks.

And they will leave the minute anything, they feel any kind of pressure.

They feel any kind of, you know, the gravy train comes to an end. They're just going to leave and go live on their islands, just like Epstein had his island, you know?

I would never have guessed that coming into this space, that we would agree on so much.

That's absolutely bananas to me.

It's that damn word, man.

You guys are going to come up with a different word, honestly.

Hey, man, look, we're going to keep rocking with it,

but we're also going to stay the same.

Just like how I talk to here,

you talk to my people, they'll tell you the same thing.

And you said you're in Minnesota. We have a nice

Minnesota chapter.

And, you know, if you meet these

people yourself and you see

with your own eyes, you know, you'll, that word slowly and slowly, it'll stop being so, such a bad word, you know, because the way we see the word, when we hear the word communism, we hear the common man, we hear the common man we hear the common sense the common

interest the common good you know yeah yeah i get i get it and you've explained it to me and i

kind of see it from your point of view now but you got just from a marketing perspective you

got to understand how the rest the the world sees that, right?

No, I get it.

But I also think that the world's going upside down.

The country's going upside down.

And we need to shock people into waking up, them into their good senses because people are asleep

right now you know people are too just by the ball game and you know they're not awake

they're not living in reality they're living in a a it's like the, you know, the frog

where they boil it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the American people right now.

Yeah, it's not, and it's not going

in a good direction. So how do you guys

align with like like, the DSA, Democratic Socialists of America?

What is – how do you guys do?

We don't really like them, and they don't like us.

And the reason is because, know those guys they don't what they want to do is they just want

more taxes and they want to create more welfare and we don't

think that's the

solution

and you know

another thing

about them

is that

we think

they're corrupt

we think

they're tied in

with the

Democratic Party

and with the system.

And, you know, we want to work with whoever we can work with.

We're not, we're not, we're not exclusionary, but they don't like us.

They hate us.

They hate our guts. A lot of them do at least. And the reason they hate our guts is because we're calling out the corruption and they feel like they got caught in the crosshairs of that because we're saying the Democrats and the Republicans are corrupt.

Not just one, but both.

So they're all

stuck up into the

big corrupt system too.

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. I mean, they

just want to, all, they promise expanding welfare, but I don't even think they're, they can keep their promises. You know, I think Bernie Sanders was a sellout. I think AOC was a sellout. She got elected. She talks a lot, but

she promised a lot. She didn't deliver because these people

are corrupt. They're politicians.

The DSA are a bunch of politicians.

Well, it was a very interesting move

here in Minnesota.

I don't live in Minneapolis. I live in Sartel. It's about an hour and a half northwest, but, you know, Jacob Frye was the, is the mayor of Minneapolis and the new guy, gosh, Omar Fetay, he won, he won the Democrat primary in Minneapolis, but he's in the DSA. And I'm thinking, oh, geez, man, like, that's not good, right?

And our governor, Tim Walls, he actually did not endorse the new guy, Omar Fethe,

he endorsed the incumbent.

Well, the way I see the incumbent, make a tread.

I see all these people as a bunch of scammers.

Like Obama was a scammer.

Okay, you've got the scammers AOC, Zoron.

This guy's the newest scammer.

And it's a front for

corruption, more corruption.

And

we are not at the stage

where we're really involved in

elections for mayor.

We're trying to build from the grassroots

from the community

because we think only we the people can do it.

We don't trust politicians

in suits that are smiling at us.

You know,

we believe in

building the community from the ground up.

Building connections, you know, building the organization.

Yeah, no, it's just anything to me.

You know, it's almost a fatay.

I don't know.

I'm not for sure if he was you know born here or

as a

you know first

second and whatever

I mean who knows

one of these people

they're CIA you got to remember that

they're recruited from all around the world

for the CIA's agenda.

That's fair point.

I just don't understand what the CIA's interest would be in in endorsing or enabling somebody that would come in and basically do harm harmed at this country it just doesn't make sense

what i what i think i think that a lot of the young people don't like the democrats anymore

because they saw biden and they saw what was going on with israel and stuff so what the democrat

what they're doing is they're trying to get the youth back into the Democratic

party by creating these new Obama scammers,

like Zohran and NYC and this guy Omar.

And they're trying to make it more trendy and popular for the young people.

And then ultimately it's just going to be the you know

nancy pelosi and chuck schumer the same old democrats will be in charge it's just they're

going to be bringing young people into it so they put a shranny they put a shiny name on it and then

the old guard just pulling the strings

there you go that's exactly it

in our view

that's great thing yeah

that's not a

I can't find any fault in that

yeah

that's how we see it well look I can't find any fault in that. Yeah.

That's how we see it.

Well, look, man, it was great talking to you.

Yeah, man, me too.

Thanks for having me on.

I really didn't know what to expect coming in.

I get it, man. I know it must be a little surreal, a little strange.

But if you're interested further, you know, I recommend linking up with the Minnesota guys and, you know, doing more

investigation and doing more, you know, whatever you got to do.

Because I genuinely think that, you know, I'll tell you something crazy before you go.

I think most regular, ordinary Americans are communists, but they don't even know it.

It would be, again, that word's still a little hard to swallow,

so don't take my silence as negative.

I get it.

Trust me, I get it.

But that's what we think. we think most people are communists

but they don't even know it and uh if you're curious you know i i recommend that but uh i'll check it out man i'll check it out, man.

I'll check it out.

I dropped you a follow and, you know, I'll keep in touch or whatever.

Great.

Good stuff.

God bless you.

Take care.

Take care. Take care.

All right.

So, Sue, I got to make him co-host again.

Because, uh...

Can't see.

And, uh, let's... So there's a guy named Rousseau.

There's Dr. President.

Let's bring on the Dr. President.

Go ahead. go ahead Hello may I speak

yeah

okay so

I am Canadian

and our friend Shane So, I am Canadian.

And our friend, Shane, that was just speaking, is Minnesotan, and is pretty much Canadian, in my opinion but

Jesus

I don't know

like you guys have a

two-party system

in America

and yeah you know I don't know what's going on I just in America And yeah

You know

I don't know what's going on

I just

First you said

Minnesota is belong

I don't know if that was a joke

I very much disagree

And it just kind of sounds

Like you're riding off the back

Of a moose right now, drunk.

And I don't appreciate it.

Let's bring on the Rousseau guy.

Go ahead, Rousseau. go ahead russell there's one guy the warrior philosopher he's been DMing me he's pretty interested in speaking

with you he'll go right after let's just get russell yeah go ahead russell do you hear me all right? Yep.

All right.

You can humor it.

I don't want to give any, like, material to your opposition, but I thought I'd float the idea.

What, would you consider a kind of balkanization campaign with white nationalists that went to go after liberalism.

No.

So the let me

pitch it briefly. Kind of like a

Molotov,

uh,

Ribbentrop type thing.

No. we wouldn't.

Not even under the auspices of like a fourth political theory type.

I don't know what you're talking about.

No, we would not because you know that we have a lot of white people in our ranks.

Okay, what are we going to tell our white people, my white comrades?

I'm going to tell them to go be white nationalists.

That's nonsense.

Okay, we are one unified tribe, that's nonsense. Okay, we are one

unified tribe, one American tribe.

We don't tolerate

those kind of divisions.

I'm talking about

a geographic zone

like separatists within

America.

So say you split it up and people who want to be

white nationalists can go there.

Everyone else can go

where they want. White people don't want to be white

nationals. That's whatever.

That would be the point of a united front to take out a liberal regime.

Well, no, because we don't believe in Balkanization, first of all. And then second of all,

they tried this before, by the way. It totally is a failure. There's no point in signing off on something. If you're trying to challenge the government, I don't care what your ideology is, you are, it's suicide to make it on racial separatism.

And the reason is because if you can't create a principle that unifies the people in this country, then you're going to be picked off and the government's going to unify everyone

they need to to destroy you.

So we totally think it's a suicidal strategy.

Forget the morals of it.

Forget the, you know, in principle, how we reject the racial divisions.

Just on a pragmatic level, it's suicide as a strategy.

It just doesn't work. It'll never work.

Well, you wouldn't be picked off if you had a kind of front.

If you had some kind of critical

support just for

fighting this regime

and then you go your own way. You're not going

to make a united front

with all these like

petty racial nationalisms.

You're going to create a united front of a framework that unites all

Americans one American nation you You know?

I don't know what else to say.

It's like,

even if you're on the off chance manage to convince

black separatists to support you,

is the wider black community

going to support you?

No, they're not.

Because all the government has to do is say that you guys hate black people,

which it's not too far off the mark as far as a lot of your representatives.

And then you're done.

You're toast, you know?

Just got to tell Latino people that you hate Latinos, you're toast. It's like you, the whole

point of, and I'll even say, look, the Black Panthers, what they were doing was noble,

but there's a reason they failed. The reason they failed was because

they couldn't discover

a new unifying

American national principle

and so the government

was able to have so much power

to crush them, to isolate them.

They were trying to create coalitions and all this stuff.

It was too late.

So, you know, that's why we believe in one American nation.

That's it.

Well, I mean, it wasn't some extent the Soviets, were they not kind of broken down into ethnic blocks?

Yeah, but the ethnic groups were actual ethnic groups with different languages and traditions and customs and these ethnicities had a territorial

you know history being in certain places and so it was totally different we you, you know, America, what are the different American? There's so much different crossover between the quote unquote ethnicities or subcultures here that it's difficult to make them, it's all, they're all interconnected and interrelated

that's the issue

so I mean

I don't see how it's so crazy to say

let's say we want Soviet America

and we want a white Soviet in like Apple no there's not and we want a white Soviet

in like Apple... No, there's not going to be

a white Soviet because the majority of

population is white. It makes no

sense. There's not going to be a

white Soviet that's meaningless.

It's not an ethnicity. That's just a

term that basically says,

I don't want to be on the bus with black people, all right? Um, that's all it means. It doesn't

mean ethnicity. It just, it just means I don't, you don't want to, you want to be distinguished from all the

darker colored races, quote unquote, right?

So you're going to have to get over that.

You know, in our party, we have white people, and they all, we all are sitting around the bonfire.

We're smoking pipes.

We're telling stories.

It's white, black, brown. It's people from all races. We're all pipes. We're telling stories. It's white, black, brown.

It's people from all races.

We're all telling jokes.

You know, that's what we believe in.

We don't believe in this nonsense of dividing people by race.

We can all tell jokes.

We can all have a good time.

That's what we believe in.

Yeah, fair enough.

I appreciate you, man.

All right.

For sure.

Let's bring on the warrior.

Go ahead, Warrior.

Can you hear me?

Yep.

Hey, Hodge.

So, I just kind of wanted to have a conversation from the position of the right

concerning, you know, your sort of project. And what I wanted to ask about from the beginning

is I wanted to find a thinker that we might find common ground on. And I wanted to get your thoughts on George Sorrell and what you think about his sort of

unique blend of Marxism, which I think is something that nationalists have certainly been

more privy to, you know, whether that's Action Francai, which you joined later on, or Mussolini.

What are your thoughts on Sorrell?

I'm not, I've never been impressed by Sorrel.

And the reason is because the syndicalist framework was a total cope because it ignores the rural question, it ignores the peasant question, the question of the people that are outside the modern urban institutions.

So Sorrell was more, Searle very much was oblivious to that

dynamic

Is Sorrel somebody

Like are you pretty familiar with him

So we could talk about to sort of contrast your vision

Or is it better for me to bring someone else up

Last time I read Sorrel was 10 years ago, so it's been a while.

All right.

So in that case, you know, you've brought up Plato, I think, before in some of your

podcast, if I'm not mistaken.

And what are your thoughts on, like,ato's sort of elite theory with the guardian

cast and his vision in the republic like is that something that you have any agreements with

i don't i don't know if plato was actually envisioning a political system as much as he was making, uh, you know, a system of mind.

But, um, I don't, I don't, I don't, I think the problem is that it's, there's no way to institutionally select for elites.

I think elites rise organically based on their abilities, not based on whether some sterile system is selecting for them, which I think is impossible.

But do you think that the organic elevation of elites?

Because, like, in my perspective, I would say-

There's no way to premise it institutionally.

You know, the most able and the most skilled will rise to the top based on what they can do.

And isn't this something that Marx supposes, like this natural organic evolution?

Like, isn't the Marxian project inherently anti-hierarchal?

No. It's just anti-Nierarchal no it's just uh and no marxism is against the institution of the state

and of private property which is literally the opposite of that it's an institution that's applied

indiscriminately against everyone regardless of their particular talents, abilities, and skills.

And it doesn't recognize people's unique abilities and skills.

It basically just puts everyone under the

common standard of money, and that's how

everyone's measured. It's nonsense.

Sure. So, like, you know,

I also agree that an economic

elite is not ideal governing

body, but I guess what I'm asking is you said,

naturally occurring elites, organic occurring elites is how things generate.

I'm telling you, the, you know, the, the class society doesn't come from people having natural abilities over others. It comes from institutions.

But then who established, yeah, over time. It comes from institutions.

Yeah, over time. So when you say that the initial establishment of a hierarchy is something based on people's abilities.

Because obviously whoever established themselves initially in a hierarchy, whether it's like a military elite in ancient times know, in ancient times or or even new regimes initially.

Like initially that...

They didn't have to institutionalize it.

Yeah, they didn't have to institutionalize that.

You know, some would rise and some would fall.

Some within the same generation.

You know, somebody's going to be the best guy at riding horses. And then someone

else takes this. I mean, it was totally fluid. You don't need to institutionalize it. If you're

institutionalizing it's because you're scared, somebody's going to come and prove they're better

than you. So you institutionalize it to prevent that from happening.

That's why they had these incest marriages to protect their property because they're afraid

somebody might be better skilled.

See, look, in a tribe...

Can I just make a point really quick?

In a tribe that doesn't have private property,

hierarchy is so fluid because people rise and fall.

It's fluid, but it exists.

And it's paternalistic, right?

It's based on tradition.

It's based on things...

But people fall just as much as they rise, and it creates equilibrium.

I don't disagree with that.

Nobody's sitting at the top forever.

Okay, but what I'm trying to get at is within a Marxian system,

isn't there nothing that is institutionally regulating one individual from essentially, you know,

like let's say, let's say for example, like you're talking about the natural fluidity of hierarchy.

That also means that someone naturally, fluidly, can come up and sort of circumvent social contract and non-aggression principle to be the most powerful person in society.

Doesn't Marxian system sort of inherently reject somebody

attaining more power than the rest even if it's naturally even if it's not due to sort of

institutional what do you mean power do you mean somebody that literally just wants to like

abuse and beat people for no reason?

Because I don't think any...

No, no, that's that's, I mean, that's just like the sort of, you know, Machiavellian power,

but power manifests in lots of different ways.

So let's say somebody wants to be a leader of the society.

If you're talking about power in terms of...

Like Xi Jinping, for example.

That's a rise to power, right?

And you could say it's for good means.

You know, you can make that argument, but he's still rising to power, sometimes at the expense of others, sometimes, you know, maneuvering the political system to end up in power.

What's wrong with that?

I would say, where does Marx?

Where does Marx? Like, go against that?

Well, with this, you know, the conception of a

stateless society, I would say inherently

No, you're confused.

So, look, this is a common

misconception.

So what did Marx and Engels mean by the state? So the state, I'll say two things. The state, first of all, was the institution of the polis created in the Greek classical age and classical antiquity.

So technically Marx and Engels in their framework, they don't even consider the Persian Empire to be a state.

The state was a common institution that was created to safeguard the interests of the

new class of private property holders

in ancient Greece.

So the state is a very specific type of institution.

Can I ask a question about that, please?

It's a permanent state of affairs.

Whereas...

Let me continue. Let me continue.

Let me continue.

So, Asiatic societies, they had dynasties.

The dynasties were cyclical.

They rose and they fell.

Those were not states, per se.

Because they didn't have this...

They didn't have the steady state quality

okay then second of all

um let me continue

Mao Zedong said something really interesting

he said yeah although Marxists

sometimes say that the state will with their way

he said what about our courts?

We have an ancient tradition in China of courts.

They settle disputes between people.

They settle squabbles.

He said, those are going to continue even into communism.

So the state, the withering way of the state, it doesn't mean it's a free-for-all

where there's no authority anymore. There's no central authority. Central authority is not the same thing as state. There's going to be central authority far into, for all humanity's existence, there's going to be central authority. But there's not going to be a state. There's not going to be a permanent institution

which, you know,

is set against the living population

in the interest

of preserving some enshrine status quo.

There's going to be authority that co-evolves with the development of society.

Okay.

I'm just trying to understand, because you're saying they didn't consider, like, the, you're talking about the persian empire specifically right when you say

the persian state okay so before the greeks so it came in it's so what specifically about

their system doesn't make it a state through the sort of a marxist view because Because the Greek principle of statehood, if you read Engels' origins of the family and private property,

it was basically this cartel that institutionalized and enshrined the right of the ruling class to have private property.

And it enforced their stake on land and private property and on debts at the expense of the rest of the population.

Whereas in the Asiatic societies, they didn't recognize private property at all. The whole purpose of the quote unquote state was not to enforce the interests of one group at the expense of another, but to basically

mediate conflicts. That's the one Mao meant with the courts, standardized weights and measures to clarify

and make trade easier to facilitate it.

They also had the function of reparsalizing

and distributing land of canceling debts.

And, you know, they basically um they were they enforced the law they were a

central authority that upheld the rights by the imperial institution though right like the imperial

institution of the act men imperial uhynasties were granted than the ability right

it was an imperial bureaucracy

sure

but so i mean

it was a centralized it was a centralized

armed body

and enforced justice that's true

but still

still wasn't a state as per Engels's definition because didn't maintain private property.

So we can have a hereditary empire and it would still fall within, like if you had a hereditary empire, you would

potentially support that if it fell within

for example Marx's

views of the fluidia. The thing is about

these hereditary

dynasties

is that

they were very fragile. So they became hereditary and then they would just get

overthrown and it'd be a cycle sure usually um they did the the the the lineages they never would last that long you know they would usually there'd be they'd come and fall they'd rise and fall and usually the lineage thing it's it would be ceremonial you know the mythic heroic founder of the first revolution

and that's how they would have

the succession play out.

There'd be succession crisis.

You know,

there would always be problems.

So I guess my question is

you would potentially

be supportive of an empire

if it fell within specific uh well what's your

definition of an em what's your definition of an empire well so i would say an empire for me would be

you know i think an empire has to expand because it has to encompass multiple, generally it's like

what, multi-ethnic

like political

polity, right? So it would have to

expand, and it could be by peaceful means

technically, but generally it's going to be

well, yeah, if I don't believe in

enslaving other nations and violating their right to self-determination in the form of colonialism.

So you don't agree with the Persian Empire, obviously, because they did that.

They're just not a state within what you're saying the state was.

The Persian Empire

unified

various different policies but there were no nations and there

was no principle of self-determination at all.

There was no such thing because they conquered

other kingdoms. No, no, I'm saying there was no such thing.

There was no such thing.

They didn't have any notion of self-determination.

The policies, whatever you call them in question, these small city states that they would conquer.

Well, sometimes kingdoms.

Yeah, kingdoms and stuff.

Like Egypt, right? Yeah, kingdoms and large kingdoms, right?

Like Egypt, right?

Yeah, those were not like, there was no institution of popular sovereignty to begin with.

So because they weren't democracies or they weren't like ruled by.

Or and they didn't have any conception of national self-determination so you had totally

fluid open borders literally right where whoever was you know whoever had the better military

usually was the king i mean you literally have the claim

that's how people got the claim in the first place

it was it didn't take the form of

one nation conquering

another and in subjugating another though

it was the Persian Empire was

one universal it was like the Soviet Union

it was one universal people did revolt like the Soviet Union, it was one universal.

Well, people did revolt, I mean, against the Persian Empire.

Sure. I mean, the whole, like, the Aonian...

People revolted in the Soviet Union, but it wasn't a, it wasn't, you know...

Does they have the authority to crush an independent, like a people's will to be an independent power, right?

Like in the Soviet Union, for instance, right?

Whether that's like, um, uh, let's say, the thing is that it didn't, it didn't take the form

of a colonialism.

It took the form of, uh, one great universal community.

Well, can't we say that...

Yeah, but you still had a structured...

Was it...

Like, the elite of the Persian Empire was specifically, I believe, at least for...

You know, at the very top was from the original tribe that spread out.

So it's still like tribalistic

return. It becomes pretty diverse.

Could anyone become the emperor

of Persia? Anybody who

is a subject? Could they become the emperor?

No, but people could rise to their

equivalent of nobility and distinction. Sure, but people could rise to their equivalent of nobility

and distinction.

Sure, but that's true even in European

colonialism in Africa, right?

You had regional leaders who could still rise,

but they can never, you know,

they could never fully challenged the,

they could join the House of Lords and shit. No, they couldn't. No, they couldn't join the They could join the House of Lords and shit.

No, they couldn't.

No, they couldn't join the House of Lords.

But what, so you're saying that, so are we talking about like a spectrum here of like how much?

Because clearly you can't get to the very pinnacle in the Persian system, right?

And you can't get into pitiful, even in like, China, right?

Okay, look, dude,

this is pet,

this is,

this is,

this is,

this is,

you need to stop interrupting me,

all right?

I'm not interrupting.

I'm just trying to

get my point across.

Okay.

We went from talking about

one race

subjugating another inferior race or whatever it didn't happen

why never said that did i say that's what i was saying it was different okay from colonialism in that

respect now you're talking about one family or one tribe having preeminence. I never denied there was a preeminence of the king,

the Shah, right? Of course there was. But that doesn't mean it took the form of one nation subjugating another.

It's very different things.

The Shah subjugated the Persians or the people that live in modern day Iran just as much as Egyptians and everyone else.

So you're saying because there was no real idea of popular sovereignty that it didn't matter that they were expanding.

Is that what you're trying to say?

Yeah, more or less.

There was no notion of nation states or nations

or national self-determination.

But don't you also kind of

approach like nations? This is

the mythical origins of nations themselves.

I mean, the expansion that

happened within the territorial extent of

modern day Iran, okay, follow me here, right?

Those were not a unified people. Okay, so this was an expansion that happened, that eventually, over thousands of years, they become the nation of Iran that we know today, right?

Sure.

So they didn't have that in the past, though. They were still in this mythical age of the formation of nations. They didn't have nations to oppress or to, or for some

nations to oppress others. They didn't have that. So it was very different.

So isn't the nation state today even?

Like you say, you know, kind of there's like some idea of popular sovereignty or self-determination,

but nation states today are still generally ruled by an economic elite, right?

They're still

um sort of inherently oppressive in the sense that there isn't a fluid hierarchy like

i also i mean one place where i agree with you is um i don't agree with the sort of liberal

democratic system which is you know, basically an economic elite,

and that's the institution that gives you power is like, you know,

the problem is not elites, it's too ambiguous, okay?

Right.

I'm not against the elite.

I'm just against economically.

It's like an elite that doesn't represent

the true strength

or the true like quality. You're talking about

an institutionalized monopoly

okay? That's

what we have in

liberal democracy. I also oppose it today.

I oppose what we have today as well.

But to be clear, you know, the word economic elite, it sounds like these are like the elite

Sigma males who rise to the top because they're really good.

And that's not, no, these are.

Yeah, I just mean that they're in power because of manipulation

because of institution right right can I ask you a question like something that I

believe in why you would say it was wrong because I generally believe in something

like so I'm not a traditionalist I'd say I'm a futurist right but I do think that there's value

in the past in a military caste right where generally at least initially military cast was the

elite because they won power through force of arms which was a direct representation of their

quality right and then they established their hierarchy, et cetera.

And I think everything degrades when you get like a sort of mercantile class.

Let me, can I just tell you what my general gist so I can see where you disagree?

Because I'm trying to understand your system versus mine.

Because I think there's, you know know like there's some some things that

we kind of share i'm sorry dude i'm just i'm done i'm done with this like fucking talking fast

shit it's like holy fuck i mean for fuck's, you're talking about fucking military

Cass, do a fucking push-up.

Be in a military.

For fuck's sake.

I hate this way of like, reflexively describing it.

Like, like, like from a distance.

I don't fuck with that. I am a warrior.

I don't, you're not systematize it and make it like a big system.

It's so fucking, that's not, that's someone

who's in a lap coat with glasses.

I don't like the glasses talk.

This guy has swords

in his name. Go ahead.

Callagher, Henry. Hello, can you hear me?

Uh-huh.

So it's like a debate.

That's what the fucking title says.

Yeah, um, I support Israel and I don't think they're

they're causing a genocide

uh how are they not causing a

fucking genocide dude

um because the Palestinian because causing a fucking genocide, dude?

Because the Palestinian, because, you know, the land

is promised to the Jewish people thousands

in years, thousands of years ago.

So hold on. How is that not a genocide?

You could say that you

support the genocide

but to say there is none at all

is a very different claim

no there's

they only they barely have even

there's like nobody even really died

that's like up even really died.

That's like what I'm all made up.

Nobody died?

Not many.

People are like, no, I'm not.

People are like, oh, this is like worse than the Holocaust.

Dude, they said 60,000 people died.

Bro, and the Holocaust killed like 14 million people, bro and the holocaust killed like 4 like like 13 million people bro

you know so it's not it's not a genocide uh it's just everyone's being ethnically cleansed and terrorized and killed.

What, how many?

So, okay, so what's your point here?

Point is, like, that's like war is it on.

Is that not just war?

Is that just not what happens?

Nope, they're targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure and starving them and blocking the flow of humanitarian aid.

That's not just war. That's a deliberate attempt to kill those people.

Okay, but that's what Nazi Germany did to the Soviet Union and no one called that genocide when they would kill the... I call

that genocide. I would absolutely call

the Nazi

atrocities against the Soviet

people's genocidal. Absolutely.

What about when the Allies were bombing

Nazi Germany, like civilian settlers there?

Well, it wasn't a systematic attempt to eradicate the German people as a whole, whereas the Nazis did have plans to wipe out what they consider to be inferior peoples.

For example, the general plan for Ukraine or whatever, where they wanted to kill everyone

and just take all their agriculture, starve them out

general plan ost you know

they had these plans

they were genocidal in their intent

they had the intent of genocide

and when it comes to their atrocities

but the um

you know dresden and stuff that

that was uh those were crimes

against civilians but it wasn't with genocidal

intent

so you think so

you think Israel's killing Palestinians

because they think uh yeah

they called him Amalek, and they

said that, you know, we got to

look at the rhetoric inside Israel.

You'll find all the evidence you need for genocidal

intent. Oh, okay.

I didn't know that.

Yeah. Well, we love things new every day.

Yeah. I guess maybe I should be doing more research. Yeah, well, we love things new every day.

Yeah, I guess maybe I should be doing more research.

I guess so.

All right, well, thank you, Haas.

Okay.

I'm glad I couldn't get one person to re-evaluate.

I feel like that was the lowest hanging, like... I know he's a troll, but what he was larping as was, like, a guy who just, like, very passively was just like captured by like

Zionist propaganda

but like very low

hanging fruit style like he was on

YouTube and he saw one of those 30 second ads

that are pro-Israel

and he's like oh I guess this is my opinion now.

And, like,

all it takes is to talk to them for,

like,

two minutes to totally undo that.

But Israel doesn't care.

They're just hoping to get as many people

because they know the probability

of those kind of encounters are very low.

So, like, a very, like, passive capture of Zionist propaganda.

I think I've brought this guy on, this weird white-faced,

Japanese banner.

I don't know what this is. Go ahead.

Go ahead.

This strange strange account.

Hey, what's going on? Can you hear me?

Yeah.

Okay. Sorry. I'm, I'm in the mountains, so if I-

You're in the fucking mountains, okay.

Yeah, okay.

Haas, we talked last time.

You probably, you probably know where I'm going to go.

No, I don't. I forgot about last time.

Okay, okay.

You know, I like a lot of what the party says.

I got really alarmed because normally I'm on Instagram.

What?

Hello?

Bro need Starlink.

Did you hear what he said?

I didn't hear anything.

I know he's been going in and out.

I haven't heard anything.

Okay. I know he's been going in and out. I haven't heard anything. Hit Hide, if you're speaking, nobody could hear you.

Is anyone else requesting?

Slime, but I think this person has been here before.

Well, bring them up anyway. go ahead go ahead Go ahead. I don't remember who this is.

Slime, your speaker, go ahead.

All right, bring on Joe Joe. Slime is not going to speak.

All right, there's this guy named joe who requested i brought him on

but i think he's going on are he is go ahead Go ahead, Joe.

Joe, go ahead.

Joe, go ahead. uh joe you got to unmute yourself

all right should be there working All right.

Should be working now?

Yep.

You hear me all right?

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

How's it going?

So I just posted a comment.

Let me just repeat basically what I wrote,

that I saw an accusation that the ACP is kind of anti-finance but pro-business.

But I did see

that online you've posted

plans to

to

take over certain parts

of the private sector and make them public.

But is it accurate to say that you're opposed to total public ownership?

I won't qualify that.

So let me break down a few things you just said because I have to. So first of all, pro business, no, not in this. We're not pro business interests. Established business interests. Are we pro social entrepreneurship? Absolutely. Very different things. Entrepreneurship, it's very different. You know, because you say pro-business, it sounds like lobbyists and business interests, and we don't agree with that. So, um, second thing is public ownership.

Let me actually, uh, let me actually blow your mind here, okay.

Let me upset some expectations you might have.

You know, public ownership doesn't have to mean ownership by a centralized state institution okay

do we believe in every ownership being owned by a centralized state bureaucracy, no.

But public ownership over all of the economic means of production, we think that is something to strive toward if part of that public ownership could be local cooperatives, local small-scale cooperatives, local entrepreneurs, social cooperative entrepreneurship, or forms of entrepreneurship, even if they're not cooperative,

which ultimately benefit the public interest.

Now, we don't think that can happen overnight, but it's a good thing to aspire toward.

So.

Right.

Now, we're just talking about the things that concern the public.

You know, for example, if you have a garage and you just want to work on a car because it's yours and you know that doesn't

have to be the public doesn't have to be concerned with that it's yours it's your business right

but when it comes to things that take from public resources we want people to give back just

give back as

much as you take.

And most people want to give

even more

for free because they

makes life worth living

for them. But at least as much as you take.

Right. Well, I mean,

to an extent I agree, but

I

I tend to think that

at any time where you have

entrepreneurship, it's inevitably going to at any time where you have entrepreneurship

it's inevitably

going to lead to

some level of

inequality

you know just for mathematical reasons

so I view it more as a

physical inequality is absolutely unavoidable.

No way to avoid it.

Some people can jump higher than others.

What can I say?

Some people are faster than others.

Some people can do more push- faster than others. Some people are, can do more pushups than others. You know, some people, you know, some people got more Riz than others. That's the truth. Some people got more charm. Some people. Right. But we we're talking about i'm talking about obviously

financial inequality monetary inequality where if you have some people are better at managing

resources than others that's the truth.

True, true, but you know, the question

is whether we're going to allow those people

to, how much can they

be allowed to profit from that?

Inequality

is bad when it's institutionalized.

Institutionalize inequality is bad.

There's a natural inequality that's okay.

Institutionalize inequality is a problem.

Right.

But I guess my question is... for example if somebody if somebody's really good at something

and they make it to the top they shouldn't be able to institutionalize and say all my descendants will

now enjoy the fruits of my accomplishment

and we're going to be this aristocracy

that rules over everyone.

That's no, everyone's got to earn it.

Constantly, constantly,

regularly, like a meritocracy.

Yeah, yeah. So, but I'm

wondering how you put that into a policy framework.

So you're, you're envisioning, you know, cutting off inheritance.

No, not necessarily.

But, okay, so. What i'm envisioning is cutting off the ability for things that take from

public resources to be institutionalized in such a way that they're free from public accountability.

Sorry, hustle.

So for example, if somebody becomes really good at managing a

a dam

you know

they shouldn't be able to

eventually say that okay

I'm so good at this

I can do with this whatever I want regardless say that, okay, I'm so good at this.

I can do with this whatever I want,

regardless of how it impacts the rest of society.

You know?

Yeah, but I'm just, I'm looking for... I that's that's a case that we already see most dams even in capitalist countries we see those being managed privately I mean publicly right but yeah but if we look at it we look at something but even with things like that we at it something... But even with things like that,

we don't have any safeguards

that prevent those things from being privatized.

And things like that are being privatized all the time,

public infrastructure that we rely on.

Right.

So you are opposed to the mass privatization.

I am and not because I think government bureaucracy that we have is good, but more so because I understand that these companies and corporations that are

gobbling it up, they're not doing it for the purpose of improving anything or attending to

anything. It's all one big sell-off for speculators and creditors who don't care about anything physical. They're just trying to make their bottom line in the clouds, these financial abstractions. And that's the issue. See, that's where we're going back to your your concept of

of finance but i think this comes down to

capitalists these people who i mean traditional capitalists not finance

capitalists who they they become one you know one came from the other

one

the financialization

first there was the

traditional capitalist

and then that became

monopoly capital

and that's how it became

financialized

yes yes

but I'm just trying to nail down, are you opposed to both form of capitalist activity?

I'm not trying to return to the old capitalism.

I don't think it's possible to return to it.

It's a matter of, is it possible? It's not possible.

Yeah, to an extent I agree then but then

I mean

it sounds to me like you're

you want to target

the financial

aspect of it first

before you come in and

and target say

factories and

things that are actually producing things.

Is that accurate?

Wait, would you say?

So I'm saying

I'm saying if you come into power

as as the

leader of the ACP, right?

You are, you're going to

first go after

finance capital before

you try to privatize

the factories and the actual modes of production.

It depends on the scale. There's not a lot of small scale industry in the true sense that exists anymore.

So it depends on the scale.

We definitely

don't

we don't want

it would not be ideal for

us to have to expropriate

small scale production

by force.

Actually, we would be opposed to that.

Well, we would rather...

But look at what there is, though.

So we still produce cars, right?

So are you going to privatize Ford?

Are you going to privatize Tesla? Are you going to privatize

Tesla? Are those all

going to come over under one of them?

Those aren't small scale at all. And the amount of subsidies

we give those companies, absolutely

we'd nationalize them. Absolutely,

we'd nationalize the big auto companies.

I mean, immediately we'd nationalize the big auto companies i mean immediately we'd nationalize them but um

and walmarts that kind of company up is that becoming national they're going to become state

own enterprises because they already owe us that because of how much of subsidies we've been in them

and how much we bail them out and how much credit we pump into them through money that's on our dime through the Federal Reserve where they pump out the money and they put it into the investment firms that just give it to them anyway.

So they belong to us already.

We own them.

It's just that we're being scammed and robbed.

So, yeah, but okay, smaller-scale stuff.

Here's what I'd say.

I'd say, no, our philosophy isn't to just take it.

Our philosophy is prove the superiority of the cooperative

model on the marketplace and that way make that more, make that more competitive and win

on the market. I mean, how do you do that?

Because I agree.

I agree that there should be space for cooperatives,

at least in the early phases of socialism,

of an American socialism.

How do you promote,

how do you see that those

get promoted over, say, someone

who, because they would be more rooted

in technology, in new

technologies. The more technology has

a direction of more socialization.

So the more technology advances,

the more socialized labor and production becomes, right? So that's all you got to do is you got to connect the two things. I don't see the connection. I don't see the connection between technology and someone's saying technology deepens the connections and cooperation between people.

Absolutely.

Let me give an example.

So say I have an idea to become, you know, I have a new 3D printing idea and I'm going to start this business.

And I see that I can make more money if I employ people, right? So how do you, how do you encourage me to, rather than employing people,

how do you encourage me to make this a cooperative?

Right? Because I

don't see how I'm going to make more money

as a cooperative if I'm a capitalist

who has a new idea in 3D

printing and production that way.

I think that when it comes to new technologies, you need credit.

Nobody can just do it off the market.

You need subsidies and credit to roll them out.

So it would be based on a centralized

credit system

that would be owned

publicly, not by private

cartel of banks like we have now.

Right, so you're saying

that you as the

you as the creditor

you have maybe a public credit system

or a

yeah a

that would favor

you stop

you stop you stop crediting

you stop providing loans to or or you could just further

incentivize by giving more loans if you uh well i don't even think it would have to be like that i

think that you know the cooperative model would have to just be based

on something more socialized

when it comes to information technology

it would be more, it would be better

economically. It would be inherently

better, I think,

than the reverse. Just from the

competitive... I just don't know what that means.

I'm having... Can you provide an example of what that would look like?

It would... It would look like enterprises that are more dynamically adapted to the new information age, just in terms of how they operate and how they function.

They could be managed in a hierarchical way. That's fine.

But without this baggage of this more capitalistic form of ownership

they could be more responsive

to changes in the forces

of production such as

the rise of

digitalization and the

fourth industrial revolution

they wouldn't have the

prejudices of the past

they could be more dynamic more competitive

more adapted more people have a stake

in them

and more people have skin in the

game and that it's just that all sounds great but you have to and more people have skin in the game.

And that's just... That all sounds great, but you have to...

You have to have some means to force it to manifest it, right?

You don't have to force it.

You just got to make it more competitive on the market.

Yeah.

And so

that's why I was saying you need

you need

you need

to make it so that

the capitalist cannot

acquire loans

to start their business

unless they make it a cooperative.

Wouldn't you agree?

To start, yeah, possibly.

Sure.

Hold on. Wait.

All right, well, if that's what you actually believe,

then I guess I don't have that much to to say.

I'll let you, you know,

move on to the next caller.

Sure.

Oh, wait, hold on.

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Okay sorry I warned you

I was gonna lose connection Hey uh I don't want to, like, repeat myself again. Where did, do you recall where it cut me off? No. You spoke for like five seconds and then you cut off. We heard literally nothing. Okay. Haas, um, lately, since the last time we talked, I brought up trans issues.

That's how we, um, that's where we started our conversation.

And, uh, I've been paying a lot of attention to politics lately,

and just on Instagram and just YouTube.

I mean, they're just like pumping.

I don't know what's going on.

It's just in the algorithm.

They're just pumping the Quintas.

Like, I mean, his videos are just like,

trying like hundreds of thousands of people.

All right. stuff like that.

And what just kind of concerns me is I feel like the party does a lot of good work, you know, and you're the... Um, hello?

I think they... That's okay. We're about to wrap it up anyway.

Bro beans, go ahead.

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All right.

We're done, we're done.

Space is over, okay?

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We will be back i'll see you guys hold i'm not ending the

stream uh it's kick dot com slash infrared actually i'm, I'll just talk here. Sure,

why not?

So guys,

Cala Walsh,

Cala Walsh.

Cala Walsh condemned us.

Um,

Cala Walsh went to Iran.

And, uh, Callowals went to Iran and she's okay. She's pretty cool. She has a principled line on the resistance. But she said, what did she say? Let me find it.

When she was asked about ACP, she goes,

ills, it's pretty damning.

Okay, here it is.

Let me read it. And then she has a longer answer, pretty damning. Okay, here it is.

Let me read it.

And then she has a longer answer and she said,

settler, racist,

misogynist, chauvinist.

Interesting.

Extremely suspicious history of many high-profile members who are constantly courting me.

Fascinating.

That's quite fascinating.

Um... That's quite fascinating. Um, hmm.

Let me see.

No, I don't have any DMs with her, so.

I don't know where, I don't have any DMs with her, so... I don't know what that means.

Anyway, maybe she means, like, politically.

Yeah, I don't know where the courting is coming from.

But anyway, let me continue what she said

she said uh but really it comes down to politics are we trying to save uh the u.s or destroy it

do we see the u.s as a prison house or as a vision for revolution?

That's the line in the sand.

She said there's no difference between the American Communist Party and an Israeli Communist Party.

Okay.

So, to answer

her question, do

we think we can

destroy the U.S.? We can't.

There's nothing you can do to contribute to the U.S.'s

destruction. Better than the

system already is doing. So the U.S.'s destruction. Better than the system already is doing.

So the USA is bound for

dissolution, and we acknowledge that in our

declaration as a party.

The USA is basically dead. It's all but dead.

It just lives off of inertia.

So there's no need to debate

about whether to preserve or save

or rehabilitate or whatever. It's

the USA is done. It's over.

It's going to be reconstituted,

one way or another.

And we believe, but we believe in the continuity of the historical revolutionary tradition for the creation of an independent, unified American state on this land.

Of the people that live on this land so and independent from europe and colonialism so

yeah i think there is quite a difference from israeli communist party or something because zionism

was only based on the institution of colonialism, right?

But even if hell or high water, the whole state collapses in the USA, people will still

fucking live here and be here.

Even if it's decentralized or they'll still be living on this land, part of this land.

If the Zionist state collapsed and all the foreign aid collapse, they'd scatter the wind, they'd go back to Poland or Ukraine or somewhere else.

So there's a fundamental qualitative difference.

The people here are tied to the land, okay?

They've been indigenousized.

I know people might hate hearing that, but it's just the truth.

And the principle we believe in is a unified American state by foreign of the people.

I don't know why that's so terrible.

So then she says, they promote the myth that Israel controls the U.S. not the other way around.

Well, it's neither.

Does the U.S. Constitution control Israel?

No, because it doesn't even control our government.

The truth is, is that the USA is controlled by a transnational financial capitalist elite that is more institutionalized in Europe than it is here and potentially in Europe and Israel as well.

But it's not that Israel controls the U.S. or the U.S. controls Israel.

It's that a global capitalist cartel controls the U.S. controls the U.S.

And it's this cartel, which was from also the British Empire,

that created Israel in the first place.

So no one country controls the other. It's just that there's a ruling class that controls both super simple oftentimes israel is a way that this same ruling class circumvents our constitutional rights against us so they use we put it

this way there's an Anglo-Atlantic global capitalist class not strictly Anglo-Atlantic

but that's where it's based from

and yeah there are some Jews there

sure not mostly Jewish but

definitely you know Rothschilds

whatever

and the ruling class one of their tools of controlling the U.S. population, is utilizing these foreign states that they also control against us and to rig our election.

The CIA does this.

So this is the framework, okay?

This is the end to the debate.

ACP is particular reactionary, but its main contradiction,

focusing on building socialism in the U.S. rather than defeating imperialism.

Hey, Cala, you're great in and all.

But, like, Iran doesn't need you to be anything but a spokesperson for an alternative vision for America.

You think Iran likes you because...

Why?

Why do you think Iran wants to bring you to Iran?

Because they need you to be in the besiege forces.

They want you to be their IRGC strategist or something?

No, you're there because you're an American.

And they want to see more Americans show solidarity with them

because America is a powerful country.

And if more Americans use the

leverage that they have

and the power and privilege they have

that you could take a lot of

burden from Iran's back

you know

Iran doesn't want you to? You know, Iran doesn't

want you to become Iranian.

They want you to stay as an American

and fight for your own flag

or your own home, at least.

And fight in the belly of the beast,

okay? So, and she said, please stop trying to recruit me.

Goodbye.

Oh, man.

Oh, man.

I guess that's over, guys.

We're not, she's not joining us.

All of our clear attempts to recruit her.

They've all failed.

Um,

hmm.

Hmm.

Callow Walsh.

This is the white people going full Hamas.

Very interesting thing.

We're very interested in it.

Honestly, it is very interesting.

But she is,

I guess she's young.

She just needs to learn more.

Because she needs to learn that, you know, look, no, these other nations don't want you to join them.

They want you to stay in your own and provide an alternative.

You have no use to them

as a non-American. You have no use to

them. You have no use to anyone in the world as far as solidarity as an

individual. You know, these

Palestinians, Lebanese, Iranians,

they don't want you as an individual they want you

to be a representative of your nation that's what internationalism is solidarity between nations

it's not solidarity between individuals so she has this delusion that it's an individual thing.

Um, and she said, the U.S. is a prison house of nations, and this is a flawed framework.

Because this framework acknowledges a white nation.

If you believe in a white nation in the USA, then you have de facto taken the side of white nationalists,

which I'm not here to cancel anyone for anything, but just put your cards on the table.

Don't opportunistically condemn us because you get brownie points from leftists

while not admitting that you support white nationalism to them.

If you want everyone to just be able to have free speech and have whatever position they want,

then I agree. Let's all have free speech and have whatever position they want, then I agree. Let's all have free speech,

but you're clearly playing into this opportunism. You know, you just respond, oh, ew. I mean,

what is that supposed to mean? Everyone hates ACP and your nebulous social circles, so you get brownie points.

Well, well, well.

And what is this?

Callow Walsh is retweeting the Liberation Caucus.

What's the Liberation Caucus?

Oh, it's a DSA caucus.

So what am I mean? Do I mean to

Would it be fair saying that Cala is joining

DSA?

Okay.

Well, well, suddenly someone who is interesting becomes a lot less interesting, frankly.

I mean, if all this crazy white girl shit, if the whole point of it was just go back to the dsa that's quite disappointing all right

that's quite disappointing but alas there are many strangeness and oddities in the world still

calla went from you know in the world still Cala

went from

you know October 7th

to

uh

Zoron

October Zoran

okay

what can we say?

What can we say?

What can we do is accept express disappointment?

The crazy white girl has become civilized

that's all we can say

uh okay

anyway guys

we're ending the space Guys, my latest tweet, y'all gotta boost that shit, all right?

It's like the worst one I've had in a million years.

Well, it's my fault because I just repeated kind of the previous tweet.

But...

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Let's start reactivating the guerrilla army.

You ask people to set up debates with you.

I did Donald Parkinson said he would.

So that's cool.

It's about barbarians.

Who's the barbarian?

Really?

Black Red Guard?

She's, uh,

that's who she's like, aligning with. It's just so, it's also disappointing. It's also tiresome. It's also tiresome. Really? Like, you're just gonna sell out that early

that is so sad

ah

that oh man

that's just terrible

it's like the

that guy's the ultimate sellout, by the way, you know?

But...

Yikes.

Yikes.

No, the swing set...

He was more based when he was a swing set guy.

I mean, it was still retarded, but at least it was funny.

Now he's straight up a fucking Democrat.

Okay, he's literally like a Democrat.

You guys need to understand this like disgusting opportunism.

Like DSA, it's like the worst.

Holy shit. It's like the worst.

Like anything but that, you know?

Go back to fucking blowing up swing sets.

Anything but DSA.

Um...

It's terrible

like jason unruh waving his

airsoft gun is better than ds a straight up it's just Trotskyite nonsense

yikes I mean where do I even begin

I'm even surprised like really DSA

um

it's not even a party it's a fucking

it's a Zionist organization to the core.

It's founded by that guy.

Michael Harrington.

Michael Harrington is like the American Hitler.

I'm just kidding. But it's so Hitler, right?

Like, we are the democratic socialists. In contrast to the Marxist doctrine, we democratic socialists uphold the institution of democracy, not the Bolshevish, the Bolshevist way, the Bolshevist criminals, the Bolshevish dictatorship thug criminals.

We are the democratic socialist. We have the purity and the cleanliness of the democratic institutions. Purity of the democratic institutions, purity of the democracy, and the institutions of the civilization

where the democratic socialist, in contrast to the criminal Bolshevist's thought of the Bolshevism, the Bolshevik dictatorship that came at the expense of the democracy.

We are the democratic and father and the same

democratic socialism and the Bolshevismos and the Bolshevismostangs are the uncivilized Asiatic barbarians that ban LGBT rights and the democratic socialism

civilized like Nordic, Nordic, Nordic, Nordic,

Nordic socialism, Aryan race, led by the Indian guy, little baby Gandhi.

And finally democratic

socialism done left.

Here's the new gobbles.

He's going to edit the Wikipedia page all right sorry guys

sorry guys I don't know what came over me I don't know what came over me.

I don't know what came over me. I watched a little too much of, um, of, uh,

bread tube and I, you know, that just was a natural reaction.

Nazi Sanders.

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