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What's going on, E.J.?

All right. All right. And here we are. Welcome everyone to the infrared webcast. And today we are going to be debating in a massive debate royale.

And this is going to be an incredibly painful journey, but I hope you are all excited for it because it's also going to be a lot of fun.

I hope it is, at least.

You know, guys, I'm not really looking on my A game these days.

I don't know what the fuck it is.

But there's something off about how I look

which very

not much

maybe I need a

haircut

anyway

guys I'm not reading

enough you're actually right about that

what the fuck

okay guys so we have I'm not reading enough. You're actually right about that. What the fuck?

Okay, guys, so we have some stuff to talk about some updates.

I just now removed... Don't check, though.

I mean, but I just removed the link in the bio for donations

because they did get back to me and they said that they're not going to be able to

i'm not going to be able to get the money out into an american bank or PayPal so i'm going to have to

have jackson help help me out and use

a Russian bank and

probably have him

will do an exchange

probably or something or I'll see him in person

he'll pay me, whatever.

But yeah, it's going to be

hard getting that money out. It's going to be a pain in the ass but at least we've

confirmed there's an image that links to it uh well just fucking don't click it then all right because i don't know

how to i thought i got rid of it uh in any case, just don't send me text to speech.

If you want to donate, just donate subs like E.J.

What's up, brother?

Anyway, I'm aware the debate has started.

I needed to give you these crucial updates.

I also need to tell you guys that it is apparently Halloween.

So if I get trick-or-treaters I'm just gonna fucking ignore them

too bad children

go to another house

I have nothing for you

Way low

I literally have nothing

I have one bag of popcorn.

I can give them one popcorn each.

And that's it.

I can give them a popcorn.

I can give them a piece of popcorn.

All right.

And there's not much else i can do

uh give me one second

ladies and gentlemen sorry for this

abrupt interruption

dunna interruption. You guys can still hear me, you can still hear me, right?

I hope you can still hear me, right? I hope you can still hear me.

I hope not all has been lost on the sound front.

Uh, you can still hear me correct correct correct um and if my stream does that thing that it did yesterday where the fbi or the cia whoever the fuck is fucking with us, um, you know, ruins it or whatever, then, then the

insurrection begins.

That's a warning.

That's literally a joke.

Why did I even say that?

It's literally a fucking joke.

Um, but seriously, whoever's

fucking sitting in Langley, get a fucking life

for real. Get a fucking life.

Stupid-ass job

that you're doing. Just

fucking with us for a living. Just get a

fucking life. Get a fucking life get a fucking life because this ain't it

this ain't it brother or i'm not gonna call you brother who the fuck are you but this ain't it get a damn

life as joe sims would say get a damn life as Joe Sims would say get a damn life um give me one second guys I just

got a deal with something got to deal with some really pressing issues right now oh what a difficult life oh what a

difficult life being a streamer uh anyway give me a damn second.

All right.

All right, I'm good.

All right, I'm good.

Um, is the camera back on? No, it's not. Hold on. Um, what the Sigma? Hold on. I'm professional. I can't say that shit. Anyway, um, hi guys.

So, sleeper cell, what's up?

What's up, Sleeper Cell with the 10?

Sleeper Cell, I did see your tweet,

and I just want to let you know that that will never be retweeted, ever.

There is not even a single chance that such a tweet would ever be retweeted in a million years.

So I just wanted to crush your spirit a little bit to reward you for your donation.

Australia's Danny! What's going on?

Anyway, guys, we're going to get...

We're going to get Blue Stacks.

Which is a

incredibly bad

app

but we have to use it

because Elon Musk doesn't know how to fucking

if there's an update

It's a fucking update

There's a fucking update

Fuck my life

A piece of shit Fucking blue stacks You fucking stupid Piece of shit.

Fucking Blue Stacks.

You fucking stupid piece of shit.

Your Blue Stacks is a hundred days old.

Update now for a faster.

Download Blue Stacks 10.

Should I do it

or should I just join

I'm downloading it I don't give a fuck

I want a faster blue stacks

experience personally It says it's stuck on.

It says it's stuck on 96%.

Yeah, please do not be an Indian virus from New Delhi.

Holy shit, can you just fucking start?

It's checking my system requirements.

Pause your PC... can you just fucking start it's checking my system requirements pause your pc

it's at 5% uh yeah tell eddie i'm reinstalling linux okay let me tell Eddie. Can I please catch a break?

It's not even better.

They said it would be a smoother, faster experience, but it's still really bad.

Hold on.

I have blue stacks.

I do have blue stacks. I do have blue stacks.

Okay, I have it. There's no problem.

It's not even faster.

I just got fucking scammed.

The only difference is there's coins now.

You can buy coins for fucking blue stacks.

Um, what the Sigma?

It's still fucking slow as shit it still sucks all right we're joining now our department for calling someone else a cock sucker.

And the justification that was given for suspending him from his job for calling someone,

a co-worker, a cocksucker was that this was a homophobic term,

that he was being homophobic towards his,

towards his cowork-worker and this

working class person, this person who works on

rail 10 hours a day

in dangerous conditions for not a lot of

pay, was suspended without pay

and they weren't able to feed their family for a

while because of the HR department

enforcing this sort of language policing on them, even though his coworker

always offend people, but, Eddie, not to interrupt, but please remove Rev from co-host because they're all complaining that he hasn't blocked or something and they can't join because of that.

Oh, okay.

I was pretty much done.

No, my one response to that is what is worth?

What's

what's worse? You know

a person

getting suspended for their job

or a 14 year old trans

girl getting dismembered.

That's my question.

Could I ask what the context for this question is

they're saying that the ACP calling people

fags led to this person getting dismembered no no

I'm saying that is the logic

no no no no no no no that's not at all what I'm saying, and you're intentionally twisting my words.

Oh, that's what you're implying.

No, no, it's not.

I'm saying the language used by people perpetuates systems of violence.

The language used by ACP led to violence against the person on Grinders.

It goes way before the ACP, and it's people like that in the ACP that perpetuates the systems of violence through language and also through active participant like culture war bullshit by inflaming people whether it's in the online left or not, it is a specific tactic to isolate and alienate.

So this is a classic kind of, I don't know who needs to mute their shit.

Everyone mute her shit.

Anyway, I don't know.

This is a classic kind of thing they'll say where they'll be like, oh yes, using this word or having this idea perpetuates

this specific system and this way I can directly link to completely unrelated things because

they happen to exist within the same universe and reality. Language does not perpetuate anything except reflect the actual reality.

So if you have a problem with a reality, focus on that.

But this idealism and subjectivism according to which,

if we just change our language and speak in different ways, we're somehow

going to fundamentally affect the actual material reality is just pure idealism, and it has

nothing to do with Marxism.

Okay.

I just fundamentally disagree with this idea

because...

I want to know what your commitments are. Are you a Marxist or no?

I mean, not necessarily. I'm all over

the ideological spectrum.

I got it. So, as Marxists,

me and Eddie are Marxists, and we're materialists. I think, Eddie,

I don't want to speak for you. We're a materialist as well.

Yes, yes, yes. Can you carefully explain to us why we should even entertain your idealist

babbling if you're not even a Marxist?

I mean, based on what? Why should we?

Because I've been, I understand Marxism. I've been a Marxist for like four years, right? And the world is much more complex and nuanced than just pure ideological orthodoxism.

I'm not talking about ideology. I'm talking about a specific representation of how reality works, according to which the use of language is

actually what maintains and creates systems rather than actual material relations of production.

No, it's both.

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that the use of different words and the use of language perpetuates, quote unquote, perpetuates systems.

I think if you're sanitizing your language on the basis of wanting to have a different consequence as it concerns reality.

You're just being inauthentic and fake about what you actually think in the name of preventing the bad outcomes.

If language reflects a bad reality, don't blame the language.

Blame the reality.

It's as simple as that.

I blame both.

Because when you talk in certain ways, when you perpetuate certain language, this is a reflection of the reality.

But it also creates

the reality. Perpetuation

is complete nonsense. We're

perpetuating a specific society by

breathing. We're perpetuating everything by

perpetuating our very existence.

If you're going to crucify us on the cross

of perpetuating reality in a bad way because we happen to reflect what reality actually is in our language, we're not the ones perpetuating reality. We are merely acquiescing and acknowledging its existence.

If you say the sky is blue, you're not perpetuating

the reality of the sky being blue. You're just

reflecting within the use of your language, the fact,

the actual fact, that

the sky is blue. So this is materialism

versus idealism. It's very simple.

No, no, no. I completely

disagree, and you're completely twisting my

point. Because when you call

someone a faggot,

it is a

violent word

to describe someone

to isolate them

but it's also violent to call someone...

But it's also violent to call someone a retard

and an idiot, isn't it?

It's just calling you a

fucking idiot. That's pretty violent though isn't it

nobody gets hate crime for being a fucking idiot

people get hate crime

because it's not classified as a hate crime

people beat the shit out of each other all the time

in the name of accusing each other being idiots

so yeah there's

a lot of violence that's attached to that word.

Are you serious? I mean,

I can probably find you,

I can probably easily find you

multiple cases

that are in, you know,

FBI or police records

where somebody chopped off the arm

of a 14 year old because they thought

that 14 year old was an idiot

so are you going to sanitize your use of the word

idiot because it's associated

with acts of violence

are you perpetuating acts of violence are you

perpetuating systems of violence

by using the word idiot

because sometimes people get pissed at each other

and they call each other the word idiot

as a it's a pretext

for them engaging in violent acts

no no no no no because

here's the reality

the stone cold reality

of trans people

getting hate crimes

over 300

trans people were

hate crime and killed

last year.

How many people in general were killed

last year?

That's besides the point.

No, it isn't. No, it isn't.

Because you're cherry picking a number,

and we have to understand the extent of the overrepresentation

relative to the actual amount of people killed last year.

So please give us the actual number.

Any number is unacceptable.

I agree, but how do you know that the 300 people killed were killed? How do we know that's so extraordinary to the point where we have to all start changing how we talk? How do I know that? How would I know that? Because it's insane. 320 people, over 80% of them were linked all of them. All of them were hate crimes. And then they were linked to things such as, like, them coming out to their partner and their partner killing them. Right. So what you're talking about is an example of what I would actually consider a type of rape where someone is transgender and doesn't disclose it. And then the person doesn't know that they actually committed a homosexual act by sleeping with a man.

Oh my God.

And then they get upset about it.

Now, that's not because of the words that they're using.

That's because people don't want to involuntarily change their sexuality

because they were deceived and tricked and raped

actually. And it doesn't justify

violence. It doesn't justify violence,

but the source of the violence

isn't in the use of words. The source

of the violence

is, you know, it's in people having an extremely

animalistic and irrational response to having, you know, to finding out that, you know,

they had a partner. If this is the case study example that you're trying to use, they found out that they

maybe slept with someone they didn't know was trans and they had an irrational extremely...

Why does it matter? Why does it matter? If you sleep with somebody and then find out their trans,

why does that matter?

Like, it's like sleeping with a woman in finding out, like, they have some sort of health condition that you didn't know about that doesn't affect anybody.

You know, it doesn't matter.

It does affect a lot of people's

sexual

sexuality and their sense of

you know being straight

straight and gay

are just

yeah to you but to add

to the real world go go anywhere in the real world and see if that's

what the majority of humanity thinks.

And you will be in a small minority.

Okay, okay, okay.

Okay.

Do we need to break down, like, queer theory, you know, queer theory of...

Queer theory isn't Marxist.

No, we don't need to break...

We don't need to break anything down, because here's what happened.

I came into the space, and you were talking about someone's arm being chopped off, which is horrific.

And you said that that is a consequence of people or perpetuating systems by using the F word.

And now we found out that now you're saying there's 300 people that were killed because they were trans

which of course is completely

of course that nothing could justify that but then you're saying

and the majority of the cases it's because they slept with someone and they found out their partner was trans and they didn't know.

Of course, it still makes homicide completely unacceptable.

It's completely indefensible.

But now we've completely changed from, you know, using words to to you know these these crimes uh these these uh

forms of domestic violence and crimes that are not necessarily based on people having a general

problem with trans people but no it is because they have a problem with trans people, but having specifically...

No, it is because they have a problem with...

No, it's...

Just because you don't want to have sexual intercourse with transgender,

it doesn't mean you have a problem with them, all right?

It doesn't mean you hate them.

It just means you don't want to be

sexually involved with them, which is the right...

But they did want to be sexually involved with them

because they had sex.

And yeah, I mean, I agree that they took the L

themselves and they can't justify getting

angry because, you know,

they should have known probably if they

had such a problem with it. I agree.

Although, whether it constitutes

a type of rape, I think, you know, I kind of

think it is kind of a type of rape, to be

honest. Even though,

because if they didn't know

and they were deceived,

they were tricked.

They were tricked.

No, they were not.

Yes, they were not.

Yes, they were tricked.

It was just...

Had they known?

No.

It's just not telling them

your extensive medical

history.

It has nothing to do with being tricked.

It's for some people in some cultures,

you are in,

you basically are tricking people to change their sexuality.

I think people have a problem with people... No, it's not

because are trans women

women?

It's...

In my opinion, no.

But everyone is...

Holy shit.

So...

Okay, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

So you have...

It's just my opinion.

It's not the opinion of the party.

It's not the opinion.

Yes, it is. You are the executive chairman of the party.

It's my personal opinion. I'm allowed to have a personal opinion.

All right? It's my personal opinion.

Yes, but your opinion reflects the party.

Not necessarily, for example.

I like

certain foods. Not everyone

has to like the same food that I do. No, no, no, no, no.

This is a complete

unrelated circumstance.

This is completely

unrelated. So we have to kick

everyone out of the party if they won't have sex with

a trans person? Yeah, that's basically

well as trans. It's kind of ridiculous.

No, but your, no, no, no,

your personal

prejudices and biases.

It's not a prejudice at all.

I have no problem with people who are transgender or want to identify however they want to.

And I'll even go so far as to say that I won't purposefully, you know, abuse people by, you know,

by identifying them personally in ways they don't want to be

identified as, because I could care less.

But if you're asking my personal opinion,

this is my actual personal opinion.

I have a right to have it. Period.

Right. but your opinion

reflects the party. What is so wrong

with my opinion? Why is my opinion

first of all, no, it doesn't.

I'm pretty sure there's at least one

person who's transgender somewhere in the party.

Okay, I have a black friend.

You know, it's a crazy argument.

So are you saying, yeah, yeah, I'm allowed to have personal opinions that don't reflect the official position of the party.

Obviously, I am.

Okay.

Okay. Okay.

So how I, okay, let me explain this.

Okay, so.

I mean, if you want to meet halfway, I could say they're not women.

If you want to say they're trans women, I'll say I don't care.

Fine.

I'm a pragmatism.

No, no, no.

There's definitely not.

There's definitely not women in any conventional sense, in my opinion.

You know?

Not even just in my opinion.

Let's be frank.

Objectively speaking, they're not.

No.

Objectively speaking, the World not. No, objectively speaking,

the World Health Organization

classifies women.

World Health Organization enforced

a vaccine apartheid on the Global South.

The World Health Organization prevents

the Global South from getting all sorts of necessary

medicine in order to help the western

pharmaceutical companies make more money.

The World Health Organization is a piece of shit bourgeois organization.

No, well, you're...

God.

You're the one who cited the World Health Organization as an authority.

Because they are medical and I'm explaining

me why the world health organizations. There is nothing you could do.

There is nothing you could do. The modern condition.

Why do we have to believe? Why do we? Okay. I don't care what the

so I'm going to explain this to you. It's not the World Health Organization that decides what we consider a man or a woman to be.

It's our culture, okay?

The culture that I'm from and the one that makes sense to me is the one according to which

trans women are not actually women in a conventional sense.

I don't care what the World Health Organization has to say about the matter, because it's frankly irrelevant.

They're not.

What culture are you from?

You know, I'm an Arab American. Simple as that.

Did you know, during the golden age of

Islam, there was many

transgender women. So from

your culture, if you...

Listen, Heather, I don't

care about all this scholarly

nonsense you're going to tell me. If you were

to go to any one of my family gatherings when I was growing up tell me if you were to go to any one of my family gatherings

when i was growing up or if you were to go to the village my family came from and started spouting

your nonsense they would laugh in your face i don't care about this like bullshit you want to pull that

you got from western academia because it doesn't actually reflect the

reality of how people think

in the real world. Now even in the case

even in the case where people

would be tolerant of transgender

which I'm not against you know

necessarily but they're not going to look

at a trans person and be like yeah yeah, that's just a woman.

Like, you're fucking crazy. Of course not. They're trans. Even trans genders will say, oh, yeah, you're trans.

They're not, like, just straight up women. That's nonsense.

No, transgender people specifically identify as women who are trans okay well the the trans thing is doing a lot of lifting there i'm not gonna lie

it's doing a lot of heavy lifting okay okay it there is okay okay okay there is

okay

if you went down the street

and you call a woman

why are you so focused on this topic

it really doesn't matter that much we don't

we don't care about people's private

we don't care about their private parts

we don't care about well you clearly do you clearly do no We don't care about their private parts. We don't care about...

Well, you clearly do. You clearly do.

No, you don't want to be bringing it up. I don't care. I just told you that even if someone I met

personally claims that they're transgender, I'm not going to just call them... I'm not going to

look in their face and be like, yeah, you're a man. Because that's abusive. That's just like completely abusive.

I wouldn't, you'd be a dick if you did that, right?

But, you know, at the same time, you can't force...

You wouldn't be fundamentally respecting them as a human being.

You can't force me to believe something I don't believe. It's that simple.

No, you just wouldn't be fundamentally respecting them as

a human being. Because I

don't personally think they're

the same thing as like a normal woman.

There's no such thing as a normal

woman.

Even like a red tube

says that trans

women are a different kind of

women.

Even if you believe, you know, I don't care

about that I call them by their pronouns,

whatever pronouns they want just to be respectful

to the individual. But like,

it's clearly not the same type of woman as

a biological.

So here's here's why I do think I do think there's a problem called trans narcissism

because there's really a genocide in Gaza right now and we're on the verge of World War III

and like the election is in five days and stuff.

And this person wants to take all

the time in the world to like have a struggle

session about why it's so problematic

that we don't like who gives

a fucking shit who cares who cares

who cares literally who cares left

who gives a shit literally who gives a fuck

I don't care about transgender who are 0-0-01% of a given population. Frankly, it's an insult to all of us that we're spending this much time even talking about it. Okay, okay. Let's talk about the genocide in Gaza,

right? Let's talk about the genocide

in Gaza. So you as Marxists,

do you support

Hamas and Hezbollah, religious, fundamentalist

organizations? Yeah.

Yes. Why?

Because they're resisting Zionist imperialism, which is an arm of the U.S. Empire and which always has been.

And if you look at the economic policies and programs of groups like Hezbollah or Hamas, they're very in line with ours at the ACP.

That's actually how Hamas was able to gain power in Gaza.

I mean, it was the deterioration of the PLO, but they enacted all of these social welfare programs

where they were bringing people food, water, healthcare, trying to meet their material needs in a very

socialistic way. So even though

they don't share our ideology, we recognize

them as fighting the same beast that we are,

which is the global empire, and

trying to develop their countries

to better the

standing of their working class.

So you support a religious, fundamentalist organization and platform them as freedom fighters.

When they are sectarian, they perpetuate, literally perpetuate.

Not through, not through language, but through actual violence.

Can you give me one example of sectarian violence by Hezbollah or Hamas?

I don't know. They're like the Shia

You're right, you don't know.

There's no

When has Hamas

persecuted Shias and when has Hasbullah

persecuted Sunnis? Go ahead.

Oh my fucking God.

See, I can tell why you wanted to focus on the

transgender thing, because talking about your genitals

is probably the only thing you know about.

Okay, okay, okay. That's too far. That's too far.

You were the one who mentioned

genitals, so why are you thinking about my genitals?

Because it's just navel-gazing. You're just a navel-gazing

narcissist. Instead of actually becoming

educated about the world, you just

want to focus on something so private and

intimate about yourself that no one else cares about.

No, because social conservatism and perpetuating that affects real human beings.

Do you understand that?

The perpetuation of social conservatism doesn't happen at a subjective level. It happens at the

material level and the root... Yes, and you want to

perpetuate it at a material level.

Yes, I want to continue

being a human in terms of my existence.

I don't want to become a kind of

post-human monster. You're right.

What are you even talking about?

I'm talking about the fact that in Lebanon and in Palestine, Hezbollah and Hamas, you're

calling them socially conservative, but all they're doing is preserving the culture that they

have that makes them human.

Without culture, we're them human. Without culture,

we're not human. Without preserving some

kind of sense of wisdom,

so far as it concerns the way in which we relate

to one and another as human beings, as

adults, and as it pertains to

family, without having that basic

continuity with our past, without having some sense, some cognitive mapping of our existence, we can't really call ourselves human. We're lost in the wilderness. So yes, they're insisting upon your humanity, and I have nothing against it. And moreover, you said that they're committing sectarian violence. You couldn't even name a single example of their sectarianism. Now, let me ask you a question. What is so wrong with the so-called religious fundamentalism of Hezbollah or Hamas? Go ahead.

Okay, I'll quote Marx.

Religion is the opiate of the masses.

I'll just, I'll throw that one out there.

Yeah, and I'd be happy to educate you on what Marx actually meant

and why you could actually argue that if they're religious fundamentalists,

so is Marx to it.

In a sense, Marx is

even more of a religious fundamentalist, and I'll tell you

exactly why. Mark rejected his own Judaism.

Okay, we are

many, many steps removed from

where reality is. So if you'll let me

educate you on the matter, I'd be happy

to explain everything. No, I think Marx has me covered. I'd be happy to explain everything.

No, I think Marx has me covered.

I don't think you need to regurgitate Marx.

I think there's a lot of what Marks said that you couldn't possibly be able to explain.

Okay, shoot your shot.

So, first of all, Marx didn't need to reject Judaism because he was raised a Lutheran.

Judaism had nothing to do with his upbringing.

He didn't really, he wasn't raised Jewish in the first place.

Second of all, as it regards Marx's critique of religion, this was actually done by Hegel and the Young Hegelians before Marx.

And Marx was actually pushing back on the Young Hegelian critique of religion, which he regarded as idealistic.

Because the young Hegelians were actually attacking religion, and Marx said,

if religion is the ultimate form of alienation, that could only possibly be because the world

itself is somehow alienated with regard to itself. And Marx here was referring to the capitalist mode of production.

He was referring to the capitalist alienation, which severed people from their traditional

means of production and their means of subsistence.

And for Marx, religion represented not simply the opiate of the masses. It was the soul of a soulless world, the heart of a heartless world. Religion actually represented what is fundamental to the humanity of the concrete whole of man's existence, isolated and severed off as a specific category and a specific sphere

within the overall division of labor. And that's what Marx's problem was. Marx's problem was that on the

one hand, we have our fundamental humanity bounded up with religion, which we categorize over

here. But on the other hand, as it concerns civil society, as it concerns how we relate to

each other economically and politically, we say to the devil, all of that lofty and beautiful

stuff that's in religion, none of that that matters we just leave it to the devil

and marks in his uh jewish question he refers to this directly right uh in his critique of christianity

it's like okay christianity is so lofty and it's so sublime and it's all about the pure spirit

and this is so great, we're all equal in the

kingdom of heaven, but as it concerns

our economic relations,

we allowed that to just be with

whatever was in continuity, what was from before,

which Marx identified with Judaism.

So he detected a kind of hypocrisy here.

We're on the one hand, we are the most human when it comes to our religion.

We're the most human when it comes to our religious feeling and our religious belief.

But that's not being reflected when it comes to our actual humanity, when it comes to how we actually behave, when it comes to how we

actually relate to each other's existence, when it comes to how we actually reproduce and, to use a

word that you're so fond of, perpetuate our existence. So that was Marxist critique of religion.

He was more of a religious fundamentalist. He wanted to, in a

sense, you can interpret it this way. He wanted something that was exclusively religious to actually be

reflected in the concrete whole and totality of all society, not just religion. He wanted every aspect of how we

relate to each other as human beings to reflect the real religious essence. He wanted us to

walk in the footsteps of God, not just in word, but indeed. That's one way you

could really actually interpret where he was coming

from.

Follow the Bible.

Follow the spirit

of the gospel, not just a dead

letter of the gospel. Actually

do it in practice.

Don't just isolate it and alienated and cast it off

as one category within the division of labor.

So you're completely wrong.

Marx had no intention of rejecting any religious traditions and liquidating them.

For Marx, there was an authentic human colonel of rejecting any religious traditions and liquidating them.

For Marx, there was an authentic human kernel that was at the essence of what religion was.

Religion, of course, was something for Marx that reflected something fundamentally true and essential about what humanity is.

So he didn't regard it as, you know, like, oh, they're using religion to keep people asleep.

That's not what he meant at all.

You clearly didn't read the original text that you're quoting. You just got it from some

secondary source, popularizing

reasons. No, I read it.

Really? You read it? Where is it from then?

Tell me exactly where it's from.

Nice sermon, bro.

Nice sermon, bro I'm not

You said you read it

So tell me the actual text

It's wrong

I'm not going to name three songs for you

I'm not going to name three songs for it

You know what?

Yeah, because you don't know it

Because you don't know it

Yeah

The only thing you know about

All you're good at is Naval g-gazing, and that's the...

Naval-gazing, yeah.

Okay.

Nice sermon, bro.

I...

I don't know where to start, because that was a lot...

That was a very lofty breakdown.

But, okay, I'll start with here.

So when we apply religious fundamentalism

to any society, it alienates

those who do not

disagree

within said

society

and why

should we

give a shit

about the

minority

as opposed

to the majority

tell me that

because

the minority

are real people too how about that the minority

yeah but if the minority wants to say that i disagree with the with with uh culture and the religion

of all the overall society so if the majority everyone bow to the dictatorship of the minority

then should we not give a fuck about the minority who doesn't want slavery if the minority isn't convinced that it's going to be able to persuade the majority to its side then it may as well give up on the cause of abolishing slavery and just go live in the woods

because clearly humanity is beyond redemption

for them.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

So,

you're,

you're deranged. That's all I can say. You you're deranged

that's all I can say

you're a deranged person

okay that's enough of this

we're going to go to the next one

because Carlos

religious fundamentalists

imposing anything on society

they're actually just reflecting the spirituality of the society they were in to begin with. It's not like Hezbollah, you know, is responsible for the return of Shia Islam in the fucking south of Lebanon where there's been Shia Muslims, you know, for

over a millennia.

So what you're saying is ridiculous.

All right, Heather left.

That was an interesting conversation. I think Heather should check out Marx's On the Jewish Question or perhaps check out Marx's contribution to the critique of Hegel's philosophy of right, where he actually talks about that. On the Jewish question is good because

Marx addresses these issues specifically

because I think it's Bruno Bauer is saying

like basically that

in order for Jews to liberate themselves,

they have to abandon Judaism. They have to abandon

religion. And Marx explicitly says that

no, that's not true liberation.

True liberation is not doing away with religion.

It's material liberation.

It's class liberation.

And a lot of the times, you know, the hyper-focus on religion is a distraction from that.

I think, you know, people often don't understand that the...

Oh, shit.

The primary thing for Marx was not a critique of religion.

It was a critique of religious alienation, and those are very two different things. The of religion if we understand this in the you know contemporary nihilistic and new atheist sense is about liquidating religious traditions forgetting them just throwing the bible away throwing the books away, just totally forget about it and start from scratch. That Marx had, that would be Philistinism. Marks had no interest in that. It was about religious alienation, the specific way in which, for some reason reason religion had to

represent a completely separate category

of human reality

that was sealed off and

locked away.

And meanwhile, the rest of that reality

did not reflect it at all

beyond the fact of the alienation so anyway let's bring up

more people yeah let's go to the vulgar marxist i don't think we got to him last time and he's been

one of the people in our dms or in our mentions a lot so what's up vulgar Marxist i think i just gave you speaking

privileges um go ahead can you hear me now yes okay i have a laundry list of criticisms.

I left it in serious chat of your Constitution.

I'd like to discuss some of them with you tonight,

and I'm actually going to plan on coming back every Wednesday or Thursday for both the Constitution

and your policy platform because this is not looking like a communist party to me.

Like, I'm reading this.

All right.

I just want to

know that

who are you and

what's your background?

Okay. My

background, I don't go into personal details

because I work in an industry

that exists in abject

gibbering terror

of anything vaguely resembling unionization

efforts. So do you have any experience

with any real communist parties in the real

world?

Depends your definition. I work

with SDS for a while

i worked with some of groups in some nonsense gibber student

larp organization what about an actual communist party

there are no communist parties in the united states so that would be impossible

okay that's your opinion but you're claiming we're not a real communist party There are no communist parties in the United States so that would be impossible.

Okay, that's your opinion.

But you're claiming we're not a real Communist Party.

I'm just kind of like,

who the fuck are you,

you know?

But anyway, go ahead.

I'm a class ACDL truck driver.

You have no experience

with any real

communist parties ever.

I have read extensively of nearly every communist work.

You wouldn't be one of those stupid people that would go and say that, you know, for a

Communist Party to be real, it has to have

the exact constitution

as the, you know, Russian Social Democratic

Labor Party when no

none of the constitutions between

communist parties internationally are the same.

You know, there's substantive differences.

No, no, no, no, no.

There are substantive differences between, for example,

the structure of the party organization

within China versus the Soviet Union.

So I'm very curious to hear why,

on what grounds does our Constitution?

Let's just, folks, I don't really care that much about your vague criticism.

I care more about the accusation that there's aspects of our Constitution that preempt us from being a real Communist Party.

So please go ahead.

Okay.

Well, for starters,

the idea that the workers

are the central focus and the

emancipation of the workers are the central focus

of any communist movement

appears nowhere in your constitution,

or your policy platform for that matter

okay why don't we just

why don't we pull up the constitution right now

you want to do that awesome

I actually have left on

serious chat

in your discord a

no no no let's just breakdown dude his chat in your discord a point by point

breakdown

so

there's no need to read your point breakdown

we could just read the Constitution and

look at your accusation

so okay

so the So the first sentence, the American Communist Party is the fighting organization of the American working class. The slogan, the future belongs to the working class.

So what about our constitution leaves it vague and up in the air about the significance of the working class for us, please?

Okay, let's go through here. Section Article 1, Section 1.

The American Communist Party recognizes only one Communist Party

that is entirely contravening

to the fact that the working class

will invariably have differing understandings

of how to proceed

and multiple communist parties

will be necessary

to action those understandings, to articulate

clearly and precisely to leadership

what the workers

desire. Well, you're just some guy who

has an opinion. You have no

right to claim we're not a real Communist

Party and that we don't have any reference

to the significance of the working class

just because we reject the idea of

political pluralism within

the ranks of the proletarians party.

The party of the proletariat party the proletarian's party of the proletariat so we reject pluralism you endorse it in an unprecedented way by the way because the bolsheviks didn't have the patience for entertaining the idea of multiple communist parties in china they didn't have the patience for that. Not a single communist state in history

had the patience for the stupid idea that there are going to be multiple communist parties.

So you and your smart head as a really smart, you as some kind of pothead have this really smart

idea of having, we need

multiple, we need multiple

communist parties. You know nothing about truck driving, sir.

Allow me to clarify for you,

truck drivers, and I said this for a reason,

are drug tested

monthly.

I am not a pocket because I can't be a prophet because I was standing

please stop standing atop

the credential that you're a truck driver because

our director of personnel

arguably the second most powerful

person in our party practically speaking Kyle is a truck driver so please stop standing atop this huge and vast rentals what I am valid in my opinion is Kyle is this is the part you're not getting yes so I don't talking about, no one cares that you're a truck driver.

Nobody cares you're a truck driver.

Literally no one gives a shit.

Just make your argument.

You flatly agree.

You do not care that I am a worker.

Awesome.

I'm glad we understand that.

No, no, I'm saying you being a worker

is not going to give you any

brownie points because fucking 90%

of our party are blue collar workers and a

director of personnel is literally a

blue collar worker with far more

experience organizing blue collar workers

than you ever will in your life. So please

shut the fuck up about that.

Rev is literally right here

and he's a truck driver too. He's literally right

next to me. Shut the fuck up about

being a worker because you're talking

to the wrong party as far as you're trying to

virtue signal that when the fucking whole party are

workers. Like literally besides me and a few others. far as you're trying to virtue signal that when the fucking whole party are workers like literally

besides me

and a few others

okay

so let's go

through the Constitution

then

because there are

a number of problems

here

okay so let's see

first of all

external

the base prohibited that is again directly contrary i would like to

kind of like focus on a specific line of argumentation and once you can prove that you can succeed on

even one of those then i'm willing to entertain your other ones.

But you made several accusations.

I asked you why we weren't a real communist party.

You said, well, you don't mention anything about the working class.

That's contradicted by reading the very first sentence of our Constitution.

You didn't seem to acknowledge you were wrong about that. When I

pressed you on it, you immediately moved to the fact

that we avow ourselves as the only

Communist Party, and we only have

recognition for one Communist Party per country.

You say this is wrong because the working

class needs multiple Communist parties

in order to experiment.

Who is going to prescribe the possibility of multiple communist parties, even if it was true, according to historical laws, that there needs to emerge multiple ones?

That would be something entirely outside of the scope of our control. As far

as we're concerned, we only recognize

one. If we,

you don't understand the paradox. If we sat

here and were like, yeah, we believe there must be multiple

parties, then what does that

say about the status of our party? Is our

party one particular

party, or is it just an organization

that's waiting for other parties to get the results

for us? You see, this is the paradox of pluralism.

In order for there to actually be

pluralism, if it's actually necessary

in reality, you have to stand on

business and defend what you fucking

have as the solution.

If you can't fucking do that,

then

why would anyone else do it?

If everyone's just going to sit in a fucking circle

jerk, if I was going to sit in a fucking

circle jerk of pluralism,

then we're all united in some capacity. If this is going to be formally mandated in a fucking

constitution. So with all due respect, this is a really stupid point. And I would like you to

follow up on it, please.

First of all, there is no paradox there.

There are and will always be

multiple ideas

regarding the direction forward.

Why can't a single Communist Party platform,

hold on, why can't a communist party platform? Hold on. Why can't

a single Communist Party platform

multiple ideas?

Because

it has no ability to evaluate

all of them.

Okay, there will always be different

ideas.

How does, how does, that doesn't make, who the fuck is evaluating the different ideas in a case of, uh, acquiescing to political pluralism?

No one.

There's no central authority doing that anyway.

Why can't one communist party acknowledge a diversity of ideas and opinions

within it? The workers

are the central authority.

The workers are the highest

authority in any communist organization

and none may supersede.

That's actually not true. That's actually not true.

It's actually not true. This is literally

the basis of the Bolshevik-Menschivik split

and Lenin explicitly

rejected the idea of opening

the party to

workers in general just because they're workers.

He said the party needs to be comprised of the advanced intelligentsia,

the advanced arm of the working class,

the most advanced sections only, right?

So no, you're completely wrong,

this idea that just because someone is a worker

means they have authority

is complete nonsense.

Actually, I'm going to go out limb

here and say, if that is your interpretation

of Lenin, you are wrong.

Okay? That's fine.

It is precisely. It's fine.

That's fine. It is precise precisely because Russia failed as well.

So you're saying Lenin was wrong. So you're saying Lenin was wrong.

Yes, because when the Russian people...

Russia failed, but the...

To be clear, to be clear, Lenin failed, but the SDS To be clear, to be clear.

Lenin failed, but

the SDS succeeded, correct?

Not in the slightest.

They failed as well, which is why I'm no longer with them.

But what has the SDS actually

contributed to history?

Absolutely nothing, which is why I'm no longer with them.

What did Lenin contribute to history?

Absolutely nothing. He just lined out with him either.

What the fuck?

I'm going to say this very bluntly if I was in power, I'm going to be frank with you, vulgar Marxly. If I was in power, I'm going to be frank with you

Volgar Marxist. If I was

in power, I would enact the Brezhnev

style policy of just locking you in an

insane asylum.

Because you're claiming Lenin contributed,

you're claiming Lenin contributed nothing to history.

The Soviet Union was nothing according to history. The Soviet Union

was nothing according to you. 20th century

communism was nothing according to you.

The very fucking meme in your profile

picture is a product

of taking the symbolism and

imagery popularized by actual

communist states and putting a postmodern ironic twist on them in the age of the internet.

Without the actual fucking communist states that actually existed, without the millions, the tens, the hundreds of millions of people that participated in the process of actual real communism,

the one that actually is real in history,

guess what?

There wouldn't be any fucking Marxists

to speak of in the West.

Marx would have been forgotten very quickly.

There wouldn't have been an SDS,

there wouldn't have been a new left,

there wouldn't have been any of that.

They would have lobbed on to some other

stupid fucking theosite

ideology instead of larping

countries had no knowledge of.

This is amazing. You do not

believe capitalism reflects subjective

material conditions. Because

the only reason Marx

would have been forgotten is if capitalism

did not reflect the objective material conditions.

It's not necessarily true. It's not

necessarily true. It's not necessarily.

Marx could have been forgotten because no one had

the fucking courage to stand on the business of the

truth that he represented.

He could have been forgotten easily.

It's irrelevant. Material conditions

are all that is relevant.

This is the one central concept.

This is what Lenin called

Economism, and it was debunked

in both theory and practice in the

context of Russia, because

there was nothing about

the inevitable evolution of the material

economic base that

inevitably and automatically led

to a transition in the mode of production

or even the normal development of

capitalism in the context of Russia.

The importance...

It's happening right now.

It's happening right now.

If you're paying attention to macro level data, which you should be, you can

clearly see the US GDP is about to flip heart negative.

Yeah.

And after that. I know people

have been saying this for 150

years and it doesn't make it any more true

that you're saying it now versus then.

Look at England then.

England's already heart negative. They have been for the most

long. You look at England.

I've looked at England. You look at England. I've looked at England.

English GDP has not increased since 2008.

Did it increase after 1929?

Irrelevant to the argument.

Why is it irrelevant?

Capitalism literally collapsed in 1929.

That's wonderful, and it recovered because it government intervened.

So why couldn't there be a recovery hypothetically?

Because the English government will not intervene this time.

They have nothing left to intervene with.

How do you fucking know?

Simple.

Do Marx tells us this.

The cycle of capitalism

is invariably downward trending.

The, what's it called?

The depreciating...

All right. Listen, I'm going to go personal.

I'm going to go harsh. I'm going to go ruthless. Do you believe you are going to live to see the day of this inevitable transition that you're anticipating? You've spent your whole fucking life as a radical Western leftist waiting for the big revolution. Are you going to see it

in your lifetime?

Possibly. The only way you're going to fucking see

it is if ACP wins.

That's the only way. No.

Yeah. I'm sorry to tell you. You've already failed.

You've already failed. Your constitution is

garbage. I'm sorry, sir.

You will never win the election and you will never defeat the U.S. Arnor.

You have no road to power, which is what I'm telling you.

Sir, if you would bother to listen.

Excuse me for being ruthless.

But you are going to go to your grave

with your whole life

having been meaningless

because the big

revolution that you're anticipating

and expecting to happen

isn't going to happen

in your lifetime.

So really think about

what that means

for your whole life.

You're hilarious,

but I love you.

Seriously, if you think this is all I'm doing with my life, you have massively interested in the...

But this is all I'm doing with my life. This is all I care about. That's the difference between us. And I'm telling you that there is a decisive significance and necessity of actual communists to intervene, to get organized, to take action.

And if no one responds to the material base, there is nothing, the decisiveness of consciousness, the decisiveness of consciousness, the decisiveness of action lies in being able to respond to changes in the material base. But without that responsivity, without that reflexivity, we

can get caught in a kind of

sisyphus eternal

cycle, if you will,

even a Nietzschean eternal return,

just constantly

going down a downward spiral of

degeneration until potentially we regress on a

civilizational level to a dark ages and this can go on for millennia and millennia and

if you don't think that's true you don't know anything about what the marxist theory

of historical materialism actually

is. There is a decisive significance.

I don't contest a single thing you have just said.

What I am telling you is

the organization you

have as is currently structured

will never be capable of that action

because it will never be large enough.

The platforms you are proposing

are not popular enough to attract the kind of support you need.

To win a revolution, you must have one of two things.

Either wide-scale public support

or wide-scale public apathy.

What would you like to see in our program

to gain popular support

since you're the expert and you've got millions

behind you? What would actually

draw immediately, you know,

thousands and thousands of Americans enough to have a revolution?

That's the policy platform.

That I'm going to discuss the next time I'm sure.

I'm going to show up next time.

Next time?

Okay, you don't have it right now, but next time you're saving.

Oh, no, it's written down.

It's on your web pay your discord right now all right well

here's here's here's the issue all right um it's true that in normal circumstances of a smooth

functioning democracy quote unquote uh you know we wouldn't be able to amount to much for very long but

if we are anticipating a breakdown of the system then i think that we have to ask what political

forces in a if we're

looking at a circumstance of a breakdown

of a system, we'll be able to

successfully carry American history

forward in an age

that demands collective

discipline. In an age that... I mean, who's

to say America

couldn't become balkanized and just we can have a

warlord era like China did?

Who's to say we couldn't have that?

Oh, that's what I'm telling you was going to happen.

Okay, and if that happens,

if that happens,

why, who's to say that the victory of communism, as long as communists have the determination and are willing to fight, what about such a circumstance preempts the possibility of a victory for communists?

Nuclear weapons.

Why?

Because if you have a breakdown to

World Warlord era level,

what is going to happen is the vast nuclear stockpiles controlled by

the United States, which are scattered all

over the nation. We'll end up in the

hands of various workloads who will almost

certainly eventually use them because

warlords are crazy people.

Even a nuclear war...

Even a nuclear war won't

won't be the end of everything

even if that happened

yes it will no it won't

it absolutely will

it really won't

it will be the end of any meaningful

ability to rebuild afterwards. We have

consumed the overwhelming

majority of surface level resources of this planet.

You could not

rebuild... What you don't understand about

communism is that

an environment of simplicity that demands simplicity, that's what selects for the victory of Marxism.

When all you have is an army, when all you have is the discipline of a collective organization, when that's all you have, and you actually

have it, and you have a strong

basis for that, that's all you

fucking need straight up.

Even if we're...

And you will never have that. Even if we get thrown back into the

Stone Ages, there is nothing

more powerful. There's nothing more powerful than a viable and a working and a functioning paradigm of collective

organization of human beings.

There is nothing more fundamental.

There's no weapon more powerful than that, not even Nukes.

I would disagree with the Nukes, but yes, it's extremely powerful.

However, you are never going to achieve that without wide-scale public support.

I think we've already initiated the process.

We don't need public support right now.

We've already initiated the process of creating

a paradigm in which people with different subjective stances and subjective opinions can unite

on a common basis. It's the common basis that unites us. That's extremely powerful and I think is

really what you're underestimating.

This party isn't united by the fact that everyone is fond of a single personality, a single idea, a single interpretation, or a single theory.

It's that everyone is united by being committed just to the purport of having a collective unity and a collective organization that is more fundamental than the individual and the individual self-interest.

And the fact that we could accomplish the unity on that kind of basis is a really, really powerful thing, which I think you're underestimating.

And I think it's because I don't know anything.

You don't really know anything about our party,

and that's why, to be honest.

And I don't, what the, what the party?

It's because you don't know anything about our party.

If you knew more, you'd understand that this is at the very least.

I'm on your discord.

I regularly watch your party.

Your party's unity is...

I don't explain this.

It's something you see in new organizations.

There is no other organization.

There is no other organization that is from my generation that has lasted this long, and it's only been three months.

Name one.

From my generation. Name a one. From my generation.

Name a single...

From our generation?

We didn't have organizations

in our generation.

There is no...

There isn't a single organization

from my generation

that's lasted as long

as we have so far.

I just said there is none because none of them

lasted that long because material

conditions not further such an organization.

You got out of the gate fast.

Not playing material conditions which we have no control over.

It's how we react and respond to

those conditions that are decisive in the end

as it concerns us.

Yes, and I'm telling you, your Constitution directly

prohibits such a response.

I'm trying to warn you as a friend

right now. I don't think you understand that.

No, I think you're being presumptuous.

I think you're ignoring all the hard work that went into creating this constitution and this party in general.

And it's really presumptuous to just kind of backseat critique us when you don't have any experience yourself

putting together something like this with all due respect.

I have extensive experience putting together organizations, nothing quite this large, but yeah, no,

I do have extensive experience with this sort of thing, which why I have a very very long critique on your discord right now

Okay, you have made very fundamental errors you have open contradictions in the document

More critically you do not have nothing

without such like I don't want to

go read the long post you made in the discord

can you explain one

okay

um let's see here

because the first one you said was that we had

nothing about the working class

and that was disproved. No, that wasn't a

contradiction. The contradiction is

that in one part of the document

you state that all chapters

will receive one vote on the central committee

in another part of the document you state that chapters will receive one vote on the Central Committee. In another part of the document, you state that chapters will be a portion of votes based upon

their size.

You do not go into how many votes or how, which is a huge problem because the way you've

got things structured right now, you're going to end up with some chapters with 10 or 20,000 people and other chapters with five people.

So if, for instance, you have, say, four dozen chapters in West Virginia and one chapter in New York, how are your apportioning votes there?

You say we have four dozen chapters in Virginia?

If you end up with four dozen chapters in West Virginia.

We have one chapter per state.

What are you talking about?

I assume you understand this organization is going to have to grow right

yeah but one chapter per state

each chapter can have as many members as they want

we're not going to add multiple chapters to each

state okay

so that's not again again, that's not explicitly

stated in the Constitution.

State chapters don't even

It's not in any way obvious.

Particularly, I don't know if you've driven

through West Virginia, dude.

It's actually pretty darn hard

to get to a physical

meeting if your two valleys

over. That's not a simple thing to

do. Thank God for Zoom, right?

Well, we fix the problem.

Skype.

Okay. We. Okay.

We did it.

So,

you're intent to do.

So that one

was wrong

and based on a

misconception

on your part.

So let's move

to the next one.

Well,

that's based on the fact that things

aren't to say clearly stating the Constitution.

Hang on, let's go through the next couple.

I write these down for a reason.

That's good.

One's in the fuck

okay state chapters

I mentioned in one area

only covered that

okay

your system

for bringing in new members

requires personal confirmation

by the central committee.

What's going to happen if you have, say, 10,000 members all join in a week?

Show us what will happen, please.

Well, you're going to get, they. No, you're going to

click before you're able to confirm

the whole. So you just lost a huge base

of support because your

process is developed. You're saying we have to prepare for the

eventuality in which

10,000 people join and

then leave right away.

We should really cash out on that and have entry fees or something,

because it'd be a shame if...

Honestly.

Wouldn't at least take $10 from each of them?

That could fund the whole party.

You think that happens?

$100,000 is going to fund your whole party.

This is moderately...

I'm just fucking around, bro.

Okay, I'm not.

Okay. Okay, so... okay i'm not okay okay so um another example how do you get rid of the entire central committee uh directory board i think you called it in one go.

Why would you want to do that?

Specky-techie situation.

Yep.

And the executive board will all be subject to a

review.

And if they failed,

if we failed to deliver our promises,

I mean,

we could,

all of our seats will be up for grabs.

Okay.

That's the next one.

Why are the,

why is the executive board

allowed to choose its own

goals rather than having goals

dictated to it's not it's not it's not it's not it has to agree

on the goals with the

central committee

okay delegates from all the chapters. There has to be an agreement.

Okay. Are

rank and file members in the chapter is able

let's say against thank you-tanky situation

how would a rank and file member charge a central committee member there is obviously no not central committee direct i keep getting that confused i'm used to using that term for the highest authority of the executive board um Well, they would bring it to our attention, or they'd bring it to the attention of a member of the executive board,

who, and it would be their responsibility to see to it with the other executive board members that said violator

is removed. But if we're all

dirty and rotten,

then the whole party collapses. I don't know

what to tell you.

Okay, dokey. People wouldn't follow

us in the first place if we were doing shit like

that, but thankfully

the individuals

donations, online donations from wide scale

membership. Membership

is a bunch of money to do that. They don't

have the money to do that. I'm just going to fleece

our 300 strong core base.

That's why I raise the concern about several thousand people joining in a week.

You need a broad base of support.

No, you need the only way a support. No, the only way

a small organization exerts

much more influence than it has

in terms of the membership is through fucking

entrepreneurship and businesses, period.

It's the only fucking way you punch above your weight.

Welcome to the reality. We live in.

The reality we live in.

I just asked you how we get money and you told

me fucking elections. It's ridiculous,

frankly.

Dude, okay,

we are all Marxists here. We all understand

that the only reason

of business is accessible is the extraction

of surplus value from its workers. Yes?

We all get that.

Would you rather have the surplus of your labor go

towards the Communist Party or your

Wall Street shareholder, boss?

I would rather have no surplus

at all.

Yeah.

Well, we don't live in that world.

You don't understand that even in a...

Look, even in the socialism that Marx

hypothesizes in critique of the Gotha

program, the surpluses aren't fully

retained by the worker. They are centralized. They're still centralized, all right? In any case, you're actually wrong, all right? Because when Marx writes in Capital Volume 3 about the average rate of profit, it's actually not true that in every case of entrepreneurship,

there's surplus value being produced

in the first place.

And then there's all sorts of other complications

that Rev can talk about,

but which we don't have enough time to,

about how money,

how the credit system works,

about how money is just fucking printed, and how that really fundamentally complicates how surplus value is produced.

It's not just something that's automatically produced by virtue of the fact that profits are being made. I can tell you that much.

No, backwards.

Profits are made because it's produced. Profits

are made because it's produced.

All the other stuff you just mentioned is tertiary at best.

Not when you can print money,

not when there's fiat currency, which is

not what existed under Marx because

gold was the basis of

currency. Now they can literally

and use it to

keep their own profits and surplus

high, which, you know, you could look at even as a transition

to more central planning.

You know, capitalism centralizing itself.

Sorry, I want to let everyone know

that the stream is back.

It completely crashed because

I'm being fucking sabotaged.

But it's back

now if you left from KIC

to the Twitter space

kick.com

slash infrared the stream is back

all right

if it crashes one more time

I'm just going to end the fucking stream, though.

Okay. So first of all, there is no fiat currency. It doesn't exist. They've lied about that full on.

The U.S. dollar is effectively backed by everything it's tradable for.

Yes.

So pretty much,

so it doesn't matter

that they can print

infinite dollars

since all they're doing

is simply using

all existing items

on the shelves in the stores

to back them.

So that's completely irrelevant

and doesn't help with anything.

You can understand

the essential point. This is with anything. Like you even understand the essential point.

This is really bad.

Like everyone fucking left the stream.

There's 100 viewers that are left.

So you don't think anything,

anything about the...

Why do you think that Nixon did away with with the gold standard then if it didn't allow them to combat the falling rate of profit and keep their own i'll wait i'll wait a little bit otherwise why did they print money after 2008

in order to bail out the giant banking system

it gives them no utility

at all it's just the same as gold

money then why did they go off the gold standard

I didn't say it gave them no utility

I said the utility is a fiction the utility

is the illusion that the system

is functioning.

It is illusory in a way,

but it still is a way

to keep their profits high, to print

money and funnel it into

Elon Musk's multinational

corporations get millions of dollars in subsidies every year.

As I said in 2008, a lot of money was printed because there's no real backing besides the state and public trust.

And yeah, the country with the most productive capacity is going to be the country

whose dollar is worth the most

because they're able to exchange

for more. But that doesn't necessarily mean

that's the basis of the dollar that they can't

print out money. I mean, it is the basis on

some level. But the

dollar, when they move off the gold standard, it does detach in a way from any

kind of material thing.

And the utility that they gain from that is not fictitious.

It's the utility to enable the worst kind of credit swindling and save the capitalist system when it goes into crisis, which is,

of course, something they've had to do through, you know, learned that they had to do through

practice. And it's not that, I mean, and the U.S. understands this, too, which is why there's the

Petro-dollar agreement. So really, the basis of the U.S.

dollar as the global

dominant currency is not

commodities as much as it's the U.S.

military and U.S. military power.

Eddie, I think this guy has monopolized

too much time, frankly. Let's just bring someone

else up. this is just fucking

ridiculous yeah thanks have a good one um i gotta open i gotta go on my i gotta go on my phone to do this

for some reason as being being annoying, one second.

Alright.

Let's go to

who's next who do we want to talk to let me look here

who would be

let's try Pearl Cogan

come on up

Pro Cogan

Guys my fucking PC is like about to explode

I swear fucking blue stacks

like fucking downloaded a

progo go ahead

computer or some shit

fuck you have the floor

short time fuck my life gotta go

my life shit or get go. Fuck my life.

Shitter get off the pot.

All right. No pro-cogen. Let's try. Rumpel Stiltstein.

Rumpel Stiltstein.

Blue Stacks is 8% of the

30% of the fucking

CPU is being used

18% of the GPU

fuck what is this

Blue Stax is 20% of my fucking CPU

Just to fucking talk on Twitter on the

Unmute yourself

My phone doesn't ever fucking explode when I do this

But to use my PC to fucking talk in a space

My fucking, my $2,000

fucking computer has to literally blow up.... My $2,000 fucking computer

has to literally blow up.

It's this big.

But my shitty piece of shit

fucking phone, it's this small.

And I fucking go on

Twitter spaces and it works fine.

Fuck this whole

Twitter engineers

You're the guy that picks out who is

the best in the working

class and the last

guy, the motor mouth before

me, he told you he was

a truck driver. You go, well, you're

not the truck driver that I like.

I have some guy that I met 10 years ago.

He's a better truck driver than you.

Who are you to choose who's better than who else in terms of being a worker?

Are you God?

Are you on drugs?

Is there something in your ears?

You're an Arab, right? That's correct.

Muslim, Christian, or Jew?

Because I want to know your background.

I'm a jihadi.

What religion is that?

It means you don't want to sit next

to me on an airplane.

You'd be a terrorist and you might blow up the plane?

Is that what you're trying to tell me?

No, I just fart a lot and it'll smell really bad.

I don't mind somebody that farts, but I mind if I get blown out of the fucking

sky.

If you don't mind people that fart, you're probably a really disgusting and dirty person, to

be frank.

That you didn't like because he didn't meet your standards.

You go, well, I'm going to get personal with you. I'm going to get personal with you i'm going to get personal with you too how tall are you uh taller than your mom

big mouth right what about your mom

what's her line of work sir

your mom's line of work

I don't fucking know

listen to me

what's your girlfriend's line of work

your mother's line of work?

Ask her.

I don't know.

Whatever your

mother gives me...

I'll tell you what your mother gives me

is for free. Were you there in his house?

How do you know? As an Arab, how do you know how he was raised. Were you there in his house? How do you know?

As an Arab,

how do you know how he was raised?

Were you there?

You were just more like

20 years ago.

You don't know anything.

Yeah,

we don't know anything

at all.

We can't read books.

We just have to fucking,

we have to be there

physically to say anything about his story. We just have to fucking, we have to be there physically to say anything

about your story.

You just like to,

you just like to challenge people

in jail?

What's your religion?

What's your religion?

I'm Jewish Muslim.

No,

what's your real religion?

Be a man and admit it.

Stop being a pussy.

What religion is that?

I ask you first.

What's your actual religion?

Go ahead, buddy.

What's your religion?

I asked you first, and you dodged it like a little runt.

Tell me, Dwarf.

What's your religion?

What's your religion?

What's your religion?

Carl Marx, he wasn't really a Jew, even though his name is Jewish.

Why are you so angry? Why are you angry? Jew, even though his name is Jewish.

Why are you so angry? Why are you angry?

You're an Arab that pushes Jewish ideology?

Are you kidding me? Why are you angry?

You're a fucking sellout.

Why are you angry? Because you're a sellout.

You're a sellout. You're a sellout.

You're an egomaniac and you go, we have to have a violent revolution in this world.

Why do you say that?

Can you say that again? Don't be on the same plane as me because I'll fucking blow it out of the sky.

Can I should report you?

Please, can you say that again, but this time don't hold your nose.

Maybe I should report you.

Report me, pussy.

Snitch.

That's what you are.

You're a little snitch.

You sound like a terrorist.

You're going to cry?

I'm not going to cry.

Before you leave, Ron, hold on. I'm not going to leave

I'm not going to leave you can you repeat it one more time

can you repeat that one more time

without holding your nose

I'm talking like you

I'm 5 foot 5 with a girlfriend that does weird shit.

I'm 5 foot 5 and I could snap you over my knee without trying.

But thanks for coming on the show, bitch.

Oh, you're moved in.

That's a shame.

Sorry.

I love people who...

I love people who talk this way to me on the internet.

Because they're awfully quiet when they see me in real life.

I don't know.

Yeah, it's weird all that works, isn't it?

I met a few of those guys.

They won't even look you in the eyes in real life.

Like, what does he expect?

I'm going to entertain this

on the fucking internet.

But anyway,

he had an extremely nasally voice

because he's a low-te pussy

and he should go take

some testosterone supplements.

And frankly,

this is a case where I can forgive

transgenderism because that is clearly a man who needs some gender affirmation to become a man uh you know frankly let's start by sounding like one instead of sounding like a fucking you know uh you're a 5-5 on the airplane.

I'm going to report you.

And basically, what's you're a legend?

You're a sellout.

Marks wasn't doing it.

Were you there?

Were you there?

Did you see it?

Were you in his house?

He goes, were you in his house?

He literally said that.

Anyway, let's bring someone else on.

All right, let's go with

Oh my guy looks like he agrees with us mostly.

Okay, this looks like it might be a leftist.

Showtime. You're up next. What's up?

Go ahead and accept the speaker and then unmute yourself and go ahead.

Yo, peace and blessings, love and light.

This is still time from the Iron Mike.

I got a question for Haas.

Maybe, you know, I've been listening

to his debates and tragically

there have been, you know,

few people that can

truly engage with the guy.

So I think it'd be more interesting to

just Haas debated himself. I think we

would get more out of that. But

my question is, I don't really have

it formulated, but I

see like a contradiction

or a contradiction emerging between

this kind of

civilizational approach

and this kind of Marxist

nationalist nationalism. I think

like, you know,

mega-communism and a

communist party in the United States,

this kind of internal national approach.

But I've been hearing you, and I know Heidegger and others talk about the

civilization approach.

So could you talk about that if you see any contradictions or if you're wrestling with any contradictions on these, you know, different approaches? Thank you.

That's a really good question.

Yeah, I don't, the civilizational paradigm, I don't think directly comes from Heidegger, not at least as far as I'm concerned. As a matter of fact, I think no, actually. Heidegger has nothing to do with the civilizational paradigm. The civilizational paradigm has a lot to do with history itself, because in the 20th century, the nation state was more or less considered to be the highest development of the national form, right? The nation state, the national existence.

But what we can see in the era of

multipolarity,

emergent

multipolarity,

is the rise

of

regional

integral civilizations,

which contain

a plurality

of ethnic

identities, at least, and, least, and by the standards of what a nation state is, even a plurality of nations, if you can even, depending how you define nations.

And the determinant way in which these different nations or ethnic groups interact with each other, whether that's through exchange, whether that's through the way they view each other, whether that's through the established conventions defining you know the specific cultural relationships

with each other come together to form you know a kind of integral civilization which is a specific

entity and and there are multiple different civilizations you know russia

has many different ethnic and you know they were defined national minorities and uh not just the

russian ethnicity right and they all exist within this kind of Russian civilization, and the

specific way in which they interact and relate to each other comes to form what Russia is as a

civilization. The same is true for China. The same is true for others. So that is the civilizational paradigm, which is a step above the nation state. And nation states are homogenous, right? They don't have room for the recognition of differences. There's only one, so to speak, there's only one nation and and the nation is defined

formally right so that there doesn't take heidegger i don't think i think hegel has more

of a significance in my opinion opinion. Specifically, for me, someone who helped,

you know, I think a lot of people underestimate the extent to which there's a lot of independent

synthesis going on. Where, for example, I'm inspired by Kojev's idea of the universal and homogenous state, and I'm

applying, or I'm understanding that within the context of, you know, the development of the 20th century

and now the 21st century and multipolarity.

And there's a lot of ways in which things are being put together, reality and past ideas,

and they all come together.

And the significance doesn't have to do with, oh, this is Heidegger, this or that thinker,

Kojev or whoever, or Dugan even,

it has to do with like,

there's clearly something new going on in reality itself.

So all these different thinkers just are stand-ins

for different forms of recognition of that fact,

but like there's clearly this symptom, if you want to call it that, underlying symptom of the fact that, like, we're in an era of multipolarity. We're in an era where nations are no longer the highest form of, you know, um, of collective

existence.

I think,

yeah,

I misspoke.

I was thinking,

I should have said,

Dugan. Yeah, that makes sense. I was thinking, I should have said, Dugan.

Yeah,

that makes sense.

Instead of doing,

instead of hiding,

hiding,

hiding,

but do you have any,

like,

I'm asking you to be

kind of vulnerable,

and do you have any,

have you come across

any contradictions

that you've wrestled with?

Um, because I heard you say that you even looked at, uh, uh, if I could quote you correctly,

I can just kind of summarize, you looked at the American experience as being more of a

civilizational,izational experience and you

even describe yourself

in that context versus a national

project. So that really kind of stunned me and I was just

I just saw a lot of contradictions with that

like which civilization

are you going to

I want to go on this after you Haas by the way

sorry yeah we're trying to

we think that the national question

needs to be relitigated so to speak

in the age of multipolarity.

So that we can say

China is a nation, Russia's a nation.

Nations can be

words that are not necessarily

exclusive and homogenous, but can just

refer to some kind of unified

collective, specific, historically historically constituted unified collective existence drawing on Stalin's writings on the matter but updating them as well so that's for midway oh sorry go ahead I was just going to say for this for Midwestwestern marks this is where we bring in martin luther

king because that was the elimination of apartheid um and and this idea that noah crechievick of the

midwestern marx institute always quotes or this quote from Martin Luther King that we all

came on different boats, but we're, sorry, we all came on different ships, but we're in the same

boat now. That's kind of the American experience. It's always been this sort of melting pot

of different nationalities, but it is

objectively one

country, it is one union.

So, you know,

is the Marxist solution to then

balkanize and cut up the United States

into a bunch of little pieces and turn it into

a Europe looking thing.

I don't think so. I think it's to unify the working class of the entire country and build a

socialist project or, you know, potentially in the event of a collapse. But as Haas was saying, we

look at it more as a

civilizational state, at least that's the word that I

would say, and I think King is important

because, you know, he,

the civil rights revolution

represents a material change

in this country where

black and white workers were placed, at least

on the same legal playing field. We know that there

are still years of

economic oppression

and stuff that still afflicted the

black community at the time, but it

really unified America and said, no, no matter

where you come from, no matter what your skin color, no matter what nation you're in, you know,

we are our one country. And the black belt thesis in America never caught on, you know,

this idea that black people taken from Africa

should have their own nation

separate from white. It's just something that didn't

catch on because black people in this country overwhelmingly

see themselves as Americans.

They see themselves as being part of

the same state, the same civilizational

project, the same country, the same nation, you could say.

So that's, I think King and the civil, understanding the civil rights revolution is important for understanding this in specifically American context, too.

That's what so.

Thanks for bringing me up, guys.

I'm going to drop back down.

But I respect to you guys.

I wish the party well.

What you guys are doing is

historic and impressive.

And to Haas. I look forward to seeing you on some of are doing is historic and impressive and ah, Tahaz.

I look forward to seeing you on some

bigger debate stages, man.

Go ahead and, you know, get on the Oxford stage,

get on some bigger platforms.

You know, more people need to hear you.

But love and light,

so on the iron mic,

and make sure you guys look me up if you come to China and light, it's still time for the iron mic, and make sure

you guys look me up if you come to China.

It's saying hot. Appreciate it, brother. See you later.

Thank you so much. I like that

he uses the word wrestle with contradictions.

I got to start using that one more.

That's, uh, I like that.

Because in that one more. That's, uh, I like that. Because wrestling matches

are like the most dialectical thing on.

All right, one sec. Let's move to the next

person. Okay, here we go.

Um, I wrote a whole

ass article on the dialectics of wrestling.

If anybody, I don't know who would be interested in that

other than me, but, all right, Prok Hogan,

we're going to try again because you didn't join last time and then we're leaving comments so

please accept the invite to be speaker and then unmute yourself okay there you are all right go ahead you go ahead prokegan your your mic may not be working or something

by the way guys this is an incredibly aggressive hater i'm pretty sure and um we're really curious about what they sound like

paul kogan but they're probably going to say that we muted them

But thankfully

This is being recorded, correct?

Yes

So it's clearly he's not being muted

It records that as well, right?

Yes

Yeah, so they're probably going to say that they were muted

Or they're going to make some kind of excuse for, because they keep making excuses because they just are afraid, I think.

Seems that way.

Unless Prok Hogan, oh, they just muted themselves when you said that.

Go ahead, Prok.

Speak.

Stand on business.

Be a man.

I'm going to give you like 10 more seconds to figure your mic situation out.

Please don't be annoying

and okay they left sweet

now they'll probably start

yeah now they're gonna say that they were kicked

and that you know they were they were muted

and you know that you kicked them

because you were so terrified and you were

trembling of them we know the story we know the story of these people they like typing

because when they talk you know it's just you can hear the trembling and their voice

mm-hmm.

I don't blame them.

I'd be scared, too.

What's nice is when you actually believe the shit that you say,

you can defend it.

It's awesome.

It's crazy.

Okay, I guess we'll go Onee... Wait, no, isn't that a troll?

Oneigen?

Okay, let's see here.

David, okay, David, we'll let you in.

It seems like he's got some experience.

He's got some stuff to say.

So David Z, you have the floor.

Go ahead and accept the speaker request, Unmute yourself and then go ahead.

Thank you, Eager.

And hi, Has.

No, I just heard you a few minutes ago.

I'm Irish and I have an experience dealing with, on your topic there about half an hour ago how do you fund a political party

as a young man i was a member of an irish marxist-leninist party that was very successful actually

it broke the bank of the the back broke the bank of the

back and the bank of

the respective generational

conservative parties in Ireland for the

first time in history.

Eddie, can you make me a co-host, please?

And check your text.

Yep. it was a party that was called workers party

still exists today but its principles have been greatly

watered down however when you were discussing how do you fund a political party

at that time in conservative Ireland when you were discussing how do you fund a political party?

At that time in Conservative Ireland,

it was very difficult to get a left-wing party established indeed to get it funded,

to get in the people that were needed in,

persons within the trade union network, within the universities, etc., etc.

So what we organized was that in Irish term is called a common, which is a local group of people

who are brought

together out of the working class,

mostly out of trade unions.

You arrange an office.

You go door to door.

This could be an

interesting conversation, but

this space is about

haters and records.

Long time enemies

of our party.

And you seem

very sympathetic.

And it's not

what the space is about.

I apologize.

We're going to just it's not what the space is about. I apologize. Regarding how we fund our party,

if you have suggestions,

please feel free to email us

or just messages privately,

but, you know, I could sound,

by this, by what I'm hearing, you're talking about knocking door to door and these kind of things, you know, we don't have any confidence in that. And we're just living in a different era. And we're not living in an era where you know well i i was going to expand on that the words of yeah what i appreciate that brother let's have this conversation another time now

we are struggling to scrap money together and you know they're the doing it in person is just

we have no confidence in that you know, doing it in person is just, we have no confidence in that, you know.

It's just not how the world works anymore.

Everything is...

Appreciate you for joining the space, though.

We're going to move on to some haters now, though.

Let's have this conversation another time, though.

Reach out via a personal

message or something.

I was the end.

All right. Well, thank you, David, for coming on.

I'm sorry, that's not the...

I'll bring on the unanimous person, I guess.

The unanimous person? Yeah. Yeah. ahead go ahead someone's got their stuff they need

mute it okay uh maybe me uh hold on uh yeah i'm meeting my bad it's good Yes, I have some questions about your distancing from the Center for Political Innovation.

Go ahead.

Guys, my fucking spirit broke the fact that, like,

the fucking stream, like,

fucked up and, like,

took off, like, half the viewers and shit.

The fuck is that, man.

It's fucking bullshit.

That's such fucking bullshit, man.

Like, I'm still in a bad mood over that fucking shit.

Listen, can you please fix your mic?

I can't hear anything you're saying.

Yes, the question was why Mr. Aldine

distanced himself from Mr. Malpin?

Because Caleb, because he's got many personal issues

and it makes it impossible to work with him in any capacity. That's why.

I really, because

Michigan, Alpense, to be open

to work in the deal.

Can you please

get out of the bathtub and

back to the surface? I mean, I don't know

what, I don't know what this is.

I'm sorry. Yeah, hold. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what this is. I'm sorry.

Yeah. It seemed as if Mr. Malpin

was open to having a

discussion with you.

One of you gentlemen.

Okay, United States, what does he want to talk

about? What does he want to talk about? What does he want to talk about?

What is there to talk about?

We don't, he has proven himself to be unwilling to be able to work with others

because he's incredibly narcissistic and he thinks he's the next MLK.

What do you want for me?

Yeah, it seems interesting that you are quick to throw him under the bus,

especially since Mr. Hinkle has praised Andrew Tate and has not been reprimanded, it seems.

Praising Andrew Tate is a lot

different than committing actual sexual

harassment against your party, and

against people in your organization

where you're bringing them in, and I

have experience

working with narcissists

in organizations, and it makes it, as has said,

very difficult to do anything because they're constantly injecting their own personal motivations

or their own God complex into party decisions

and that causes problems

at the organizational level.

Theoretically, you know, I think

Caleb is on point with a lot of stuff.

I used to listen to a lot of his shows,

but the reason I never joined his organization,

the reason we only had a very

tentative relationship was because

of the personal issues.

And, you know, it's sad.

I wish it didn't have to be that way, but we

have to do what's best for the party.

Listen,

this is also kind of bullshit bullshit because you're missing a lot of context as well

first of all Caleb deeply betrayed all of us by his actions first of all second of all he

completely like tried to snake me somehow during his, like, apology or whatever, trying to rope me in as if, like, I, as if I have anything to do with him.

And then... Mr. Aldine, Mr. Aldine,

that all sounds like a very childish

reason.

To throw Mr. Mupp and under the bus.

You want to see childish.

Yeah, but we actually have personal beef with him,

and then the final nail in the straw coffin

is that he randomly starts attacking Jackson Hinkle

and then says

Jackson, he says,

I know thing,

and he went fucking

around in RT

and told everyone

that he, you know,

because he got some

shit from Twitter

and that was literally

his source.

It was some

schizophrenic retard.

And that is why Mr. Melpin

did not repeat the rumors.

He didn't because

he knew he would look like an idiot if he did.

I would have wished he did, but he

left it so ambiguous to make it seem like there

was like a even truth or substance behind it and there wasn't so that's the fucking problem he did that on purpose anyway like you know if you can't see that he's just like he's extremely like incapable of like working with others and he's just like he just has

bad personal qualities I don't know what to

fucking tell you I could just tell you he gets spanked

and we don't want anything to do with that

would that suffice?

Mr. Aldean I will ignore the

homoeroticism in that last

comment. No there's no homoeroticism in that last comment.

No, there's no homoeroticism, all right?

There's no, it's a fact.

It's an embarrassment.

It embarrassed all of us, frankly, and

he didn't atone

for it

and it's been

what is embarrassing

is your refusal to let it go

and your refusal

to have a discussion

defend him and he burned us

so it's like why would we allow lot like we he burned us multiple times

he was given so many opportunities to

fix it and he didn't fix it all right

he did the opposite so what do you want for me

uh

miss o'callion is laughing at me. Very interesting. Uh, yeah, why is she allowed here? Because, uh, she is Malthusian and has re-posted things from Candandice owens and whatnot oh no can'ta sand's had some good takes like

not everything uh yes no one says is wrong would you why what's wrong all right uh let's bring on

the next person uh one gin go ahead hello thanks for the mic.

Yeah, I appreciate you guys and I have some sort of healthy criticism, not necessarily here, spread hatred, but from a consumer standpoint, are you guys keeping track of new members is there some some sort of statistics

what's you so you you you

what's the criticism do you have one or no

um all right so no. Eddie, is there anyone else that I can't see that's requesting besides the unanimous troll? you there already

oh man shit i was muted my bad pro kogan is back they said they fixed their mic

go ahead bring them up bring them up pro kogan you're up. No excuses now. You said your mic was fixed. I sent you the request. Join. Join. What the fuck?

There's no excuse anymore.

You ran.

They left?

I don't know.

They're not joining.

They're not accepting my request after they just spam me with messages telling me to accept.

So I'm going to assume they ran like a bitch.

Do you want me to bring on this Antifa guy?

Yeah, yeah.

Bring on all the actual

like, you know,

the rainbow fascists,

as we call them.

How's it going, gentlemen?

Hello.

Hi, so I had the opportunity to speak to Eddie

the other day, which I was grateful for it, and I miss you Haas. But I just want to start with a question, very simple one. Would you consider the ACP and anti-fascist party?

Yes.

And how would you define fascism in that sense?

Same way Dimitrov did.

Do you mind elaborating?

Yes, the most terroristic and reactionary segment of monopoly,

the terroristic dictatorship of the most reactionary segment of monopoly the terroristic dictatorship

of the most reactionary segment

of monopoly capital.

Okay. And

do you think it's prevalent in the United

States today?

I think something

resembling it, and I think Ukraine is the primary paradigm, but I think, yeah, that something like that is taking form here.

Would you not say Israel is also a paradigm?

Like the Zionist ideology, would you consider not fascist?

Yeah, I would. Okay, and so, so I really fail to understand, I guess, like the support of Donald Trump.

Like I understand it's critical, I not saying you you believe that uh that

don't trump is like a marxist or whatever he's clearly not but uh so how do how would you

justify like support for like an outspoken zionist. What support are you referring to?

I mean, like, Donald Trump

was notoriously pro-Israel during his presidency.

No, no, no, what support on our part for Trump

are you referring to?

I mean, I was in your space the other day

And you were speaking very highly of him

You said you wanted him to win the election

He said that it was

The other day?

When was this?

Like the space the other day

The one on Sunday, I was

praising Trump.

I don't remember that. You were speaking highly of them,

yes.

What do you mean speaking highly

talking about? Okay, so

to avoid, I guess, like, like,

I don't remember that at all. You said, like, could you just, like, reiterate, I guess, like, like... I don't remember that at all.

You said, like, could you just, like, reiterate, I guess, like, your stance on Donald Trump?

Yeah, I'm really confused about what you're talking about.

Trump, we don't have a strong stance on him.

He's just a generic American politician at this point, as we can see it.

I mean, we're interested to see what will happen, obviously, in the fifth next week.

But, you know, we don't we don't support trump uh we support the acp which is our party

you know who trump to us is a completely outside of the realm of our

control and our ability

to influence or impact.

Yeah, and so would you say

you said, would you say

like nagocommunism is still like a strategy?

And in what sense?

Yeah, but I think things have evolved to a point where it's just become, it's a truism.

I mean, even the people who rejected Maga communism years ago are now Maga communists in some way.

Because everyone, in order to have a dialogue with people. years ago are now Maga communists in some way because everyone

in order to have a dialogue with

people they're

taking for granted with the Maga movement

set the standard for

in 2015-2016

which is a new paradigm of popular sovereignty

primarily based in articulating politics in terms of a kind of popular and national self-interest rather than the interest of the

fulfilling the global empire.

Yeah, okay.

And so, I would say, personally,

like, I would consider myself a Marxist.

I would consider Donald Trump,

like, a particular case of fascism.

And I think a lot of that manifests in the immigration question.

I think this is one of the most, in the West particularly, it is one of the most I guess

fascistic

points.

And so what is the ACP's stance on immigration?

Because I've heard kind of conflicting views.

Why is Trump's view on immigration fascist?

Well, well, I would say that a lot of his rhetoric particularly is othering, and I think that is one of the tenets of fascism you can look to like not too.

With all due respect, I just find that

incredibly vague.

I think that

quote unquote

othering is just

inherent to

any political

discourse

whatsoever.

But not to the

point where it's dehumanizing. And I would say Donald Trump has

dehumanized. Is it othering and is it dehumanizing when Trump supporters were called

deplorables and called garbage? Yeah, probably. So, I mean, it's just a fact of politics. politics it's not there's nothing particularly fascist about it

it's just a fact of politics okay so and so what is the acp stance on immigration

it's our program.

And Hazr wrote a long response to this,

I don't even know what to call him,

this thing named Colin Bodale,

expounding the Marxist position on immigration. It's a good read.

Okay. And would you mind like summarizing?

Yeah, we consider that the phenomena of mass immigration is a complete disaster. It's a humanitarian disaster. It's a form of modern slavery.

It's causing, it's inflaming tensions between different nations and different cultural groups.

It's incredibly, clearly a cynical device to...

And what is the solution to that?

The solution to that is

well, it depends.

Are we in power or are we just

responding to it outside of power?

Because I think there's two different strategies.

Okay, let's hear both.