In Defense of the American Revolution

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infrared rising happy 4th 1776

gorilla sun 2036

ladies and gentlemen

today is the fourth

of july

the day

of the declaration of independence

ah

head socks

head socks

ladies and gentlemen

i don't know how many of you are

americans i think a lot of you are

probably

doing

festivities right like real americans

are supposed to

me

i decided to forego all of that

to stream to you because i found it more

important to dispel

the lies and slander

about our revolution of 1776

then celebrate that's okay i don't need

to celebrate that's okay i would rather

spend it doing this

and that is more of a

patriotic thing

for a guy like me to be doing

got a platform

because there's something worth

defending about the american revolution

something has been forgotten that

they're trying to gaslight to us and lie

to us about

and we're gonna uphold the torch and

uphold the flame

of

1776 and the american revolution and the

founding of this country

and we're not going to compromise with

these fucking apologists of the goddamn

british empire

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let me make myself crystal fucking clear

let me make myself crystal fucking clear

about something

this country

is nothing to apologize for

we're not gonna do this shit we're gonna

say

um

we we

we need to acknowledge the sins of no

we're not doing this bullshit but we

apologize for being americans

happy independence day and god bless

america underscore son gorilla thank you

knoxville we're going to do dumb shit

where we apologize for being americans

when have you ever seen a british person

apologize for being british have you

ever seen that have you ever fucking

seen a british communist have to

apologize for being british

have you ever seen that in your life i

have never seen that

and good for them don't apologize

but why would we americans apologize for

being americans when all of the evils of

our country were the inheritance of the

british empire which is something our

founding fathers themselves acknowledged

and we're going to get into that

but

why why do we see these communist

parties even the ones that are

celebrating the fourth of july um

we have to remember that shut the fuck

up

that's not what made that event

significant

right but there have been these people

the scum these liars these tools of the

british monarchy and the british empire

who've been going around and spreading

this lie

that the

american revolution

was a counter-revolution

meant to uphold slavery and meant to

uphold

uh continued

displacement of indigenous people and

the british were actually the good guys

and they were more progressive at the

time

this is the big lie

of our era this is what they're fucking

telling us to prepare us for full-on

takeover by the world economic forum and

the globalist ruling class

which is entered into a partnership with

the british ruling class that we have

nothing to fucking do with we are not

british

this country this soil is not british

soil

we're not gonna converge with britain on

anything they're on the other side of

the world

those british

and the atlantic is very vast it's much

more vast than russia is

to alaska

we

are closer to the russians and chinese

through alaska

we don't have anything to do with those

and the koreans actually we got nothing

to do with britain we need to leave

britain behind and turn our back on

britain

that's on the other side of the world

that has nothing to do with us

the british empire was progressive

um the british empire was actually going

to abolish slavery and they were going

to love you digital people

you're full of shit you goddamn lying

cocksucker piece of shit you goddamn

fucking fraud

i would like any one of these chicken

shit

pussies to debate me

see if they can hold their own

to defend and sustain that egregious lie

of the

1619 project

fucking bullshit

fucking bullshit that they're trying to

fucking

throw this shit in our face

this is a global war

so you're going to see these people in

other countries

like some pedophiles in argentina

and elsewhere

they're going to be saying some shit

like oh america actually the british

were progressive and america the whole

thing they're going to be saying some

fucking bullshit like this and in canada

as well although you know not not

necessarily pedos but you know fast fast

fucks in canada

you so much chris morlock

we're gonna have these fucking people

come and tell us

that

oh yeah we're just doing this because

we're we represent the global south and

we're anti-americans no

you represent the british faction

you represent the british

empire

you piece of shit

all the communists around the world

china russia you name it

celebrated the american revolution and

the founding fathers why

because that is the first gunshot in the

air telling the people of the world that

it's time to declare your independence

from the british empire the anti-human

disgusting unprecedented satanic british

empire

and it was the inspiration for

anti-colonial movements across the world

for hundreds of years

and now these british scum these

environmentalist globalist scum

who are now trying to claim that they're

promoting indigenous indigenous autonomy

when it's really just a ploy to protect

the monopoly profits

of the fucking bankers and the big oil

bankers in particular

and the city of london financial

vampires and parasites

by the way look up who's behind the

indigenous movement

look it up

there's no one what indigenous is that a

monolith of there's different tribes

there's different peoples what what is

the origin of this monolith of

indigenous people where does that come

from right

take a guess

take your guess

as you can see

from my eyes

we've got some obstacles we're going to

get over the obstacles

that was the war the american people

waged against the british robbers who

oppressed america and held her in

colonial slavery absolutely

thank you so much tristan but these

fucking pieces of shit left this scum

on the payroll

of the fucking globalist through their

foundation money through their

institutions are now telling us that

lenin didn't know what he was talking

about stalin didn't know what he's

talking about mao didn't know

and then instead we have to listen to

these new york times 1619 project pieces

of shit

and these uh

prostitutes of the british empire

masquerading as third worldest

who are oftentimes pedophiles

uh specifically

when they are expats in argentina the

pedophile

uh

species

of anti-human skunk

give me a moment give me one moment

america was founded on genocide and

slavery

that was what the british empire was

founded upon

we

took the first step out of that

that's not gonna be an overnight thing

on doing all that fucking evil it's not

gonna happen overnight

we took our first step out of that and

you want us to feel sorry for it you

stupid cocksucker you dumb fuck

you want us to feel sorry for taking the

first step

out of where all that evil came from

well let me tell you what i'm still

walking i'm still stepping

we are still stepping

give me a moment i'm fucking congested

give me a sec

i feel like doing something evil tonight

starting a twitter space because i know

it's all going to be libs who are upset

about fireworks so they're sitting

inside and shit so we're gonna get all

these libs and trigger the fucking libs

on twitter and i'm thinking we're gonna

do that after i deliver my presentation

and my lecture and my speech

on the significance of the fourth of

july

give me a second keep get get be patient

with me i'm fucking congested

ah

a lot of people struggle to understand

the significance of the american

revolution

a lot of marxists when they are

confronted with the american revolution

they think to themselves why did the

communists of the past such as lenin

such as marx angles lenin stalin mao

why did they

why did mark say things like

the star spangled banner carries forward

the destiny of the proletarian class

worldwide

the american revolution

wasn't like the french

it wasn't an explicit class war

where the lesser privileged overthrew

the privileged

how was it

it wasn't the revolution of the french

hype

so we can understand why we commemorate

the french revolution as communism as

marxist why do we commemorate and uphold

the american

revolution god damn it i'm so fucking

congested give me a goddamn second

oh man

jesus fuck

god damn it

okay

i'll explain to you the significance

why was it a democratic revolution why

did lenin call the american revolution

let me get the exact quote

he called it

one of those great

really liberating

really revolutionary wars

why did lenin describe the american

revolution this way

he described the american revolution

this way

if putin was a woman she would still be

more of a man than i am boris

thank you tuko

appreciate your donations so much guys

thank you so much

but anyway

fuck it i'm just gonna start spitting in

this fucking bottle so just give me a

second

okay

lenin called the american revolution

this

because there's aspects of america that

we take for granted that all marxists

even around the world

have taken for granted

although when they're actually in power

like in russia and china they they have

acknowledged that aspect of america that

was indispensable that was world

historical

a world historical prerequisite for the

possibility of communism and for the

possibility of marxism

in the first place

you guys want to keep commenting on why

i have to do this shit because i have i

didn't get any fucking sleep okay i did

not get any fucking sleep at all

so when that happens

my whole system gets fucked up i get

really sweaty

um you know i get a fever

and my my whole fucking you know i get a

runny nose and all this shit and i get

backed up and congested just shut the

fuck up about it and let's move past it

okay

but anyway

the american revolution for the first

time

in the history of humanity

established the people

not only as the sovereign basis of

politics

in contrast even to the

maximal achievement of the english civil

war

which could go no further than

parliament parliament which by the way

doesn't actually represent the people

but represents the very it's like a

gangster

syndicate

of the ruling class of england

not only does the american revolution

for the first time establish the people

as the sovereign subject as well as the

supreme subject of statehood in general

that a state is meant to serve the

people and the people above all

above all else

the american revolution also represents

establishing the reality of the people

as primary

not even just in a political sense

in an artistic sense in a cultural sense

in a spiritual sense in a metaphysical

sense the people the reality of people

the actual body of a state the actual

people over and above the way in which

they are given representation and over

and above and against the way in which

they are given political form or

representation representation whatsoever

be it in the form of thought be it in

the form of philosophy being in the form

of politics being in the form of

anything else

the reality of the people

of the of working people in particular

actually is primary

and this is a necessary prerequisite

for laying the foundation

for the anti-colonial

communist and revolutionary movements

that proceeded from that revolution that

american revolution

and why is that

riddle me this

if the form of the people is always

already established somehow in an

institution how the fuck do you go about

building

an alternative

sovereign form of political power in the

form of a communist party or even a

socialist party how do you fucking do

that if you don't somehow discard the

institutional representation of the

people in the name of some raw and more

direct

relationship

to the people what i mean by that is

that

what does that presuppose if not

recognizing there is a reality of the

people

before we give it representation

because if the only reality of the

people is the way that they're being

represented right how can you form an

independent communist or socialist party

you couldn't there would be no reality

of people no political reality of people

that's not ripe for being represented in

a new way

unless you establish this metaphysical

openness to what the political form of

the people is and that is what the

american revolution accomplishes and

that is what it does

mcmiven not ashamed to be of anglo

heritage not gonna lie okay mcmiven

you know i try to be diplomatic and shit

i try to but i just you should do some

self-criticism because where does this

anglo thing come from where i'm talking

about my country as a fucking american

with a primarily american audience

living in america okay talking about my

own country and my own country history

and then you come and make it about you

okay

where did that come from why do they why

do the british

want to boss us around so fucking badly

and make everything that goes on in

america about them did you see those

fucking protests against roe v wade that

happened in fucking britain

what the fuck does it have to do with

you british you live on the other side

of the world leave us the fuck alone

there's almost this innate

tendency

to want to butt in and make it about you

and there's it's like this is about you

you're you're the one being addressed

here why

you know how else that's happened huh

specifically in regards to the socialist

movements

these fabian

i'm not going to say it these fabians

okay these fabians

these fabian souls if you don't know

what the fabian socialist movement was

it was a bunch of british ruling class

socialists who have decided that we're

gonna go about the slow and steady

consolidation of socialism

through philanthropic efforts slow and

steady win the race and we're going to

use billions and billions of dollars

in order to fund

the transition to socialism from the top

down

using institutions for the family

and these motherfuckers

hijacked what socialism meant in america

now in our country socialism was the

common man the ordinary man the ordinary

working man

raising up the banner of labor

and declaring the emancipation of the

working class from the bourgeoisie and

the ruling class

and then that was destroyed after world

war ii

because let me tell you what happened

right the labor movement

and even the socialist and communist

movements they all joined together in

the new deal popular front right and

then after world war ii they became

integrated somehow with the with the

establishment but that wasn't that bad

at the time because the establishment at

the time you know it was it was actually

progressive in a relevant sense but it

was fdr right and henry wallace

but then the british did a coup

where they put

um truman as the vice president

and then so when fdr died we had truman

instead

and all of those socials they became

immediate

immediately co-opted by these fabians

these fabian pieces of shit

okay

this piece of shit fabians i want

everyone in my chat i did not get any

sleep so i need to see this to awaken me

awaken hers by

typing in the chat

fuck the fabians fuck the fabians in my

chat

spam it i want to see a whole scroll in

my chat of people chanting fuck the

fabians fuck the fabians fuck the

fabians fuck the fabians

fuck the fabians fuck the fabians

i want to see that in my chat

if you have unmitigated anglo pride and

live in the usa you missed the point of

the american revolution we are

qualitatively different from the british

our ethnogenesis already is a reality

absolutely

absolutely

the chat is moving so slow it's pathetic

what a pathetic slow moving chat

what a pathetic slow moving chat

this is a fucking disaster this is a

fucking disaster

this is a disaster

if you're being censored then use jason

on rouhey instead of fuck they're not

letting you say the f word and use the

jason on rouhey emote

and i want to see that in my chat and i

want to see an ocean i want to see it i

want to see a march this is our fourth

of july march

this is our fourth of july march

this is the march on red square of the

future communist america and we're doing

a march and there's thousands of people

with signs fuck the fabians fuck the

fabians that's what we want to see

still a slow chat it's still

unbelievably slow it's pathetic

it's

slower slower beyond slow

you're being slow like the fabians they

had them their motto was a fucking wolf

in sheep's clothing moving slowly

towards socialism

all right

now

let me tell you guys something

let me tell you guys something about

what america means

america is

it's complicated right it's complicated

it's not a one-sided story not for the

reasons they try to bring up but yeah le

soudro was right it is a double-edged

blade it's a contradiction

a lot of evil gets unleashed with the

revolution

and a lot of good at the same god damn

time okay and this is the dialectic of

history which is absolutely unavoidable

but there's no way for me to give you a

one-sided story or one-sided narrative

about this because these dumb fucks on

twitter

are the ugly most ugly scum of the earth

who believe in an aesthetic of one side

this isn't slave or is that a genocide

that's it and that's it for them right

they don't understand the dialectic

at play because they're philistine scum

who don't know the first thing about

marxism or the aesthetic evaluation

since this is about morality and

aesthetics for them the aesthetic

evaluation of history from a marxist

perspective

they hold the founding fathers

the standards

uh that did not exist at the time

you're making it seem like that this guy

lives now and that he's doing it now

made making his most stupid brainly shit

either you could think of right

it's the most brainless stance a person

could possibly take

but anyway many of you are familiar with

the so-called 1619 project

and all the lies and bullshit being

peddled about it specifically the idea

that the american revolution happened in

order to preserve slavery and it was

actually about the preservation of

slavery uh because the british were

going to abolish slavery

okay

let's read what was actually said

let's uh

let's look at it okay

so this was actually going to be in the

original declaration of independence

this was planned on on um

this had been planned on being in the

original declaration of independence now

for a counter-revolution whose whose

purpose

was the preservation of slavery fearing

a british abolition of slavery

why would they write this in their

constitution if not for the fact that

the founding fathers were overwhelmingly

anti-slavery

in their ideology and in their sentiment

and the basic ideals that were

motivating them

to overthrow the british were the same

ones that made them opposed to slavery

okay

so let's read it

he has waged the cruel war against human

nature itself

against human nature itself

violating its most sacred rights of life

and liberty in the persons of a distant

people they're talking about the african

people who never offended him

captivating and carrying them into

slavery

in another hemisphere

or to incur miserable death in their

transportation dither

however you say that tither or thither

this piratical warfare

the approprium of infidel powers is the

warfare of the christian king of great

britain

determined to keep open a market where

men should be bought and sold he has

prostituted his negative for suppressing

every legislative attempt to prohibit or

restrain this

ex

exocrabal commerce okay so what are they

alluding to there in this in this

writing

they're saying that there were

legislative attempts in britain to

prohibit and restrain to restrain it

he was shooting it down at every turn

what sign was there that the british

were going to abolish slavery

every time there was a legislative

attempt within britain to abolish it the

king would shoot it down why

and that this assemblage of horrors

might want no fact to distinguish died

now they're talking about how they're

trying to

you know um

bribe slaves

to with with the promise of their

freedom to you know to fight against

the uh

the americans

any and what they're basically saying

here is that this is a big ir this is

this is a this is an abominable irony

you only want to free the slaves

yo free american absolutely thank you so

much jen i appreciate you so much you

know what they're saying in this

document guys i'm gonna sum it up to you

he's saying you british motherfuckers

you goddamn piece of shit british crown

you fucking goddamn cock sucking

parliament you motherfuckers

at every turn we're suppressing every

attempt to restrict or destroy slavery

you had always been against it but now

you're pretending like you know you're

you're you're trying to um

you're only promising slaves freedom

in order to destroy the liberties of

other people this is the fucking con

game i'm telling you ladies and

gentlemen

the ruling class only started giving a

fuck about the woke agenda and the lgbt

people and even the black lives matter

shit

when they weaponized it against the

working class see they never give a fuck

about these things unless they can use

them against revolutionaries and

throughout history this is always always

always what these fucking tyrants have

done

whenever a righteous people rise up to

defend their own dignity and liberty

they will try to bribe and prey on the

most marginal marginal and oppressed

groups

but this doesn't reflect some kind of

sincere you know um commitment to

abolishing slavery or taking up the

banner of the enslaved it's a really

cynical cheap dirty and disgusting ploy

to ensure the universal oppression of

mankind as a whole when one segment of

mankind raises up the banner of liberty

and emancipation for basic dignity what

the tyrant does is weaponize

the wronged

and

the even more oppressed groups that are

even more marginal and bribe them to

extinguish this

and then what's the end result

the end result is that everyone is held

in bondage equally

everyone is held in what lenin called

colonial slavery

the american revolution was a necessary

prerequisite for the destruction

of the british created

disgusting anti-human system of slavery

for no other reason

than the fact

that it is the commitment

it is the commitment to the basic

dignity of mankind the basic dignity of

humanity that we are not animals and

that we are not slaves that very basic

commitment as it took form in the

american revolution is a prerequisite to

spreading that struggle

over and beyond the bounds of its

original context

you can't claim you're against slavery

if you're in favor of the indignity of

man the subjugation of man

and the animalization of man

only when you have established a

commitment

to the emancipation of humanity into the

dignity of humanity does it then become

possible to articulate the very form in

which it's it makes sense

to oppose this abominable evil

and before you claim

that within britain there was sentiment

to abolish slavery and that had that's

why it happened this was pure fucking

hypocrisy on part of the british why

because while they were still benefited

benefiting from the colonial slavery

that they created in america they were

then washing their hands clean

of the blood and crimes they themselves

created and committed by feigning some

false sense of moral superiority

when in fact they had they were

absolutely cultive culpable in the

creation

and even promotion of slavery in the

united states after we declared our

independence because we had always had

this fifth column of the planter class

the slave owning class

has always been a fifth column within

america and the reason this was not

included in the declaration of

independence is because that fifth

column the slave owning class

the usa created the true revolution we

will create i.t again the american

people will elevate the world love you

us

thank you visor we will certainly

inspire the world that's what you mean

we had the southern states at the time

of the american revolution and these

were the parasitical

ruling planter class

slave owning class

these people objected

to the anti-slavery sentiment and

overwhelmingly prevailed among our

founding fathers

and had our founding fathers win against

them at the time

they would have sided with the british

they would have been loyalists for the

british crown

that's something you're not going to

hear from the 1619 project now is it

you're not going to hear that from the

founding fathers

had they made their revolution also an

anti-slavery revolution

it would have been destroyed

they would have been destroyed

because the british

because these slave owning classes now

you can say haas didn't the founding

fathers own slaves yes they did but they

did not represent the slave owning class

their class that they represented was

the up and come coming manufacturing

bourgeoisie

not the slave owning one

so had they immediately done it which is

what they wanted to do and which is what

they intended to do

the slave owning class

so slavery is anti-imperialist you

stupid fucking cocksucker you stupid

cocksucker fuck you are literally

fucking stupid you are absolutely

fucking worthless

what i recommend you should do with your

life i'm not allowed to say on youtube

you stupid cocksucker you stupid bitch

you are genuinely scum of the earth

you're a dumb bitch i hope you fucking

fall down the stairs

i hope your fucking

grandma weeps for you after you make a

stupid fucking mistake

you bitch

you fucking piece of shit

i just fucking said that slavery was a

tool of the british

and that the slaver class

would have become loyalists to the

british because those people were not

rebelling against the british because

they believed in the ideals of the

american revolution they were doing it

because they were being promised it was

just it was it was it was purely out of

self-interest it was purely convenience

they did not represent the vanguard

ideas of the american revolution they

didn't represent the vanguard thrust of

the american revolution whatsoever

which was overwhelmingly

disposed and oriented toward opposing

slavery

again

one of the reasons for the declaration

of independence one of the grievances

was that the british crown would not

allow them to abolish slavery

okay

that was one of their grievances right

but had they actually gone about

abolishing it from the very beginning

you want to know what would have

happened

these southern

slave owners that represented that class

that represented the southern states

would have sided with the british

they would have joined together with the

british

and destroyed the entire american

project

it was a class compromise with the slave

owning class

you know you say isn't that agricus yeah

it is egregious it is evil it is fucking

horrible i'm not saying it's a good

thing i'm just saying what is the

alternative you dumb fuck what is the

alternative

where are you gonna derive

how are you gonna i mean

maybe you could have strategized the way

to overthrow the british that if you

lived at that time

without needing the uh the goodwill of

you know

somehow undercutting the slave owning

class and being able to wage a class

warfare with a small yield man or

something i don't know but these people

weren't marxist they didn't understand

class warfare anything like that so that

would just be complete foresight you can

at least acknowledge and recognize that

this revolution at the very least was

not about preserving slavery that is the

most disgusting and egregious fucking

lie we are taught

about the american revolution it was the

counter revolution to preserve slavery

that is fucking bullshit that is literal

fucking bullshit

how do you respond to the critique the

americans revolted so they can manifest

destiny westward

yeah that's also fucking stupid

considering the fact

that

the british

had every intention of moving westward

on their own terms

and according to their interests

that was not decisive whatsoever the

british they're trying to make it seem

like oh well the british were

establishing treaties and and the

americans were violating these treaties

i mean no that's not what happened

whatsoever

that's a lie that's something they've

made up

again i will debate any of these people

on the facts

of the matter like i have to

specifically consult what source they're

using in order to dissect and dismantle

why it's fucking bullshit right because

there's so many like there's that guy on

twitter he's like this weird creep so

there's this groomer weirdo his name is

your communist he calls himself your

communist dad

because

from what i heard he preys on young

leftists

um he prays on these young leftists

right

and

you know he's always bragging about like

yeah

i get so much comrade pussy right

so he's basically a fucking sex pest and

a creep he's like a 40 year old man

pretty sure he's a 40 year old virgin

is what i've been told or what i heard

um assuming he's not successful but he

does creep on comrades he's one of those

creeping on comrades type of guys right

but this piece of shit goes and look

look at this astro turf fucking

look at this astro turf shit you're

gonna tell me this isn't the fucking

agenda of the road it means what they're

all saying now right the british

actually for better and the american

revolution was like

shut the fuck up you dumbass you don't

get the fuck out of this country you

bitch get the fuck out of this country

but look at this

it shatters the myth that the american

revolution as a historically progressive

force demonstrating conclusively its

reactionary character and offering

critical lessons for aspiring

revolutionaries in today's reformed

slavery okay let's look at the damning

evidence

the roots of the settlers revolt against

royal tyranny are to be found in the

development of a complex web of

contradictions that afflicted london's

north american colonial holdings a

wildly unstable project whose destiny

was anything but manifest

london and her leading north american

agents had to condemn with a dizzying

array of potential foes poor whites

enslaved africans enraged indigenous

nations as well as competing catholic

powers england's colonial model differed

from those catholic powers

weaknesses often probe by our colonial

rivals the menace that would not be

resolved

pioneers in colonization spain's model

centered on the catholic origin

uh

the models okay

okay this retar this dumb fuck begins

with the premise that the british were

like looking for models with which to go

about colonialism when in fact the

british always had their own unique form

of colonialism that contradicted the

spanish one no they didn't just they

didn't like look at the spanish oh um

yeah we we we're against this because

like it allows enslaves people and

industrial compare like no from the very

beginning their model of colonialism was

different

so this is already fucking bullshit

right

but let's get to the part where there's

actually a um

an argument

leading colonists and demographically

unstable colonies constantly demanded an

influx of white settlers to protect

against enslaved africans a mortal feel

hided by humiliating defeat at the hands

of jamaican moors not being fulfilled in

the haitian revolution

okay there's also some context i'm going

to add to this

so this is just wikipedia so he's

talking about the southerners right

he's talking about the southerners okay

that were nev that were always a fifth

column and would later be agents of the

british empire from within

the southern ruling class i mean right

what the fuck happened what the fuck

happened okay i clicked the wrong thing

so you know

so yeah he talks about the origin of

georgia so i'm not going to get into

that right

um the struggle between georgia and

south carolina led to the first debates

so this guy claims that georgia was

created

um

for the purpose

it was founded by james unfold as an

all-white pro-slavery wall between south

carolina and and a refuge in spanish

florida an effort to secure south

carolina and deny escape slaves patches

of saint augustine right but here

there was a struggle between georgia and

south carolina look

okay

that founder of south carolina whatever

is fuck his name oglethorpe fended off

repeated attempts by south carolina

merchants and land speculators to

introduce slavery into the colony

okay

if we allow slaves we act against the

very principles by which we associate it

together which was to relieve the

distresses whereas now we should on

occasion

the misery of thousands in africa by

setting men upon

so they're they're opposed to slavery in

principle okay he didn't want slavery

there and yet the south carolina

disagreed with him about this so he's

trying to claim

that south carolina that georgia was

founded

uh to be a pro-slavery wall between

south carolina and in refuge in spanish

florida now what is the evidence he

gives for that

okay there's a revolt in south carolina

so there were compelling reasons in

other words to bar africans

from georgia creating a presumed white

wall of impenetrability

okay this is speculation

this is just speculation trying to

establish a reason without offering

proof that that actually was the reason

debate me get in my fucking vc and

discord

and state your discord uh username and

yeah i'll debate you no problem

absolutely no fucking problem okay

so even his primary source does not

justify this claim

okay

um

they're trying to he's trying to

speculate that this was the reason

yet okay maybe they go over it here

the danger to the mainland colonies was

a preoccupation of the founding father

of georgia whose colony was founded in

the midst of the carolina turmoil

the opined given the proportion in south

carolina this colony would be a great

danger of being lost in case of a war

with spain or france he thought there

was a felt the need to strengthen their

neighborhood with supply large supplies

of free men meaning

europeans he announced that south

carolina had 40 000 africans worth at

least

but poor europeans must be substitute

for

africans in georgia with the added bonus

that they could be found useful among

the spaniards

he had cost to seek an alternative to

that labor

okay where are you getting the idea

that the reason for why slavery was

rejected in georgia

was because of a fear of revolts only

right if he's upset about the turmoil

doesn't that also include the turmoil

that corresponds to the injustice of

slavery more generally

this is just such a fraud this is such a

dishonest spinning of what happened

if this was true you dumb fuck why did

georgia and south carolina struggle why

was there struggles and debates between

them about this

this is such like a cynical spinning of

the narrative

it led to the first debates in

parliament over the issue of slavery so

but another blow to the 1619 project

fraud guys it just by this is basic

google search wikipedia shit not even

getting into like books or anything

right now you just google this shit to

know what a bunch of ideologically

motivated frauds these fucking people

are but

the first debates in the british

parliament over the issue of slavery

were because of the struggle between

georgia and south carolina meaning these

moral british people who were supposedly

superior to the americans didn't give a

fuck about slavery until the americans

made an issue of it when georgia decided

that they didn't want to have any

slavery in their state

fancy me the reason for that you fucking

liberal pro-british pieces of shit

frauds

fancy me the fucking reason for that

rhode island quakers associated with

moses brown

were among the first in america to free

slaves benjamin rush

britain had already broken the royal

proclamation of 1763 before the

revolution and was in the process of

establishing a new royal colony that

they were going to call vandalia west of

the treaty line thank you so much

soapbox so there you go guys these are a

bunch of fucking liars and frauds trying

to smear america because they serve the

globalist elites whose model

is for tyranny is going to be a

explicitly reincarnated version of the

british empire

through meghan markle okay now get this

guys the quakers were the first in

america to free slaves benjamin rush and

other leaders while other quakers gave

up most of their business to devote

himself to campaigning against slavery

along with other quakers okay

so you're telling me wikipedia right i'm

just a dumb guy on wikipedia let's just

assume that

if i was just an honest person who was

trying to google search this shit let's

say he wants to challenge the veracity

of this

the actual impetus to abolish slavery

came from america not britain but

america it was a it was bred and born in

this soil the quakers

the quakers

and leftists have bought up and eaten up

this 1619 project

bullshit

like quaker oats oatmeal

motherfucker slavery

existed

for all the european empires and it was

especially egregious and brutal in the

british empire you want to know the

people who were fighting back against

slavery besides the slave revolts

themselves

americans

and it almost seems like they're doing

it for moral reasons here

like it's not even in their material

interest

but it's for like religious reasons it

was americans

who actually

wanted to destroy this evil evil

institution

crispus attucks was the first man to die

for the flag plus large numbers of

freedom and actually joined the american

army leftists thank you so much

that's exactly right so all the left is

shitting on our country and shitting on

the fourth of july

you're telling all of those freed men

slaves who decided to join the american

army you're telling christmas addicts

you're telling the foundational black

americans of this country

who believed in the vision of the

american revolution you're telling all

of them

that they were full of shit

that's what you're telling them they

died for nothing they're full of shit

and they died for nothing

between

1764 and 1774

17 enslaved african americans

appeared in massachusetts court in

freedom suits

spurred on the decision made in somerset

versus stewart

what's although not applying to the

colonies was still received positively

by the american abolitionists so the

1619 project people

always cite somerset vs stewart

to prove that the british were actually

um you know going to abolish slavery

even though the impetus to oppose

slavery was started well before then i

mean look

we can go further into the past right

well before the founding of the united

states you know you had the first

stalemate against the slavery was by the

religious society of friends the quakers

right

uh francis daniel

pastorius of germantown

drafted the quaker petition against

slavery a two-page condemnation of

slavery and send it to the governing

bodies of the quaker church

they oppose slavery for religious

reasons okay

so here were the quakers

benzed was particularly influential

inspiring a generation of notable

anti-slavery activists

you know

look at all these people benjamin

franklin among them

prevalent bostonian one of the judges in

the salem witch trials wrote

in protest of the widening practice of

outright slavery as opposed to

indentured stervitude in the colonies

this is the earliest recorded

anti-slavery tract published in the

future united states okay

so you're additionally telling me that

the based guy

who sentenced those goddamn witches

to hell

which was based as fuck by the way i

support the salem witch trials fuck the

witches and fuck the satanists

but don't they always tell us that the

salem witch trials which was actually

about evil wicked white woman

don't they always tell us

that was actually against like africans

or some shit then why was one of the

fucking judges of the salem witch trials

against slavery

where does that come from

you know they don't want us to know the

truth guys these fucking leftists with

their pagan agenda they're getting from

this rockefeller and ford foundation

money and soros money they don't they

don't actually like present the actual

reality they don't want us to connect

the dots and know the truth of the facts

right this is such an inconvenient truth

isn't it one of the judges of the

fucking salem witch trials was also

against slavery huh

interesting

the british empire expanded in size by

over 34 mkm2 which was about 10x its

original size in the centuries following

the revolutionary war it pains me to see

how loyalists these people online are

small yeah

thank you so much cece appreciate you

man

appreciate you right

so they abolished it in rhode island

sorry the quakers didn't abolish it but

they freed slaves

so somerset vs stewart

was the state of slavery

is incapable of being introduced on any

regions moral or political but only by

positive law

i think didn't it mean that they can't

have it in england right

never been authorized by statute within

england and wales and lord mansfield

found it to be unsupported within

england by common law okay so let me

explain to you somerset versus stewart

all it did was establish that within

england the chosen people of new

jerusalem the the new israelites is what

they would believe themselves to be

right they're not gonna have slaves okay

but for the colonies it's okay

that kind of just seems like hypocrisy

to me it doesn't doesn't like look like

some kind of impetus of any anti-slavery

sentiment whatsoever

on part of the british crown or the

british authorities anyone who thinks

that is a dumb fuck who doesn't know the

basics of basic english hypocrisy which

has defined the empire from the

beginning where they're pure and

virtuous at home but their goddamn

devils abroad

right

boston lawyer benjamin kent represented

them

he won the case to liberate jenny slough

she'd be kidnapped massachusetts and

then handle it as a slave

many colonial legislators work to enact

laws that would limit slavery now

additional context this was one of again

the grievances of the american

revolution which is that the crown was

getting in the way of this shit every

time the legislators tried to limit or

even outright abolish this disgusting

evil institution

the crown would come and say nope you

can't do it slavery is allowed

that's a that's one of the foremost

grievances of the american revolution

the provincial legislator of

massachusetts bay as noted by historian

gary b nash approved the law prohibiting

the importation and purchase of slaves

by any

massachusetts citizen loyalist governor

vetoed the fucking law

the loyalist governor of massachusetts

thomas hutchinson

vetoed a law prohibiting the importation

and purchase of slaves in massachusetts

wikipedia guys it's just wikipedia

hey your communist dad you stupid lying

bitch you are a fucking lying bitch you

are a lying bitch they tried to fucking

abolish slavery in massachusetts and a

loyalist governor

blocked it

why where the fuck are you getting that

the american revolution was a

counter-revolution when the loyalist

governor of massachusetts is the one

on behalf of the fucking king and on

behalf of the goddamn crown

blocking attempts to destroy slavery

what a fucking cope you're a fucking

liar

okay ladies and gentlemen

brief detour right we're gonna return

back to this i demand the establishment

of a

1776 commission on behalf of infrared

y'all should make your own discord make

your own group chats

we already got people working on other

stories in secret right

to tell the truth about other events in

history but this one i want you guys to

fight back against the lies

leftists are telling about 1776

compile evidence compile the evidence

compile the propaganda and wherever you

can fight back against the lies they're

trying to tell us about the founding of

our country

do not allow these fucking people to get

away

with their smears and slander and

bullshit

because

all you have to do is the minimum of

research to blow them the fuck out okay

maybe i'll just make a channel in in the

uh discord called the 1776 commission

right but um

we need to compile the facts and we need

to fight against these lies that they're

telling and i want you guys to bring

this to the communist party

because they're trying to infect the

communist party with the lies of the

1619 project and we need to uphold the

line of william z foster gus hall

american not only american but

communists across the world

who understood that the american

revolution was progressive

it was a real revolution as lenin put

one of the greatest revolutions in the

history of the world

and we're going to tell the truth

we're gonna tell the truth about the

american revolution

we're gonna fight back against the lies

of 1619 and these pieces of shit trying

to rehabilitate the rotten disgusting

british empire

we'll exonerate the salem witch trials

on halloween so around halloween we're

going to compile evidence i thought they

were actually guilty those witches all

right and it's going to be a meme that

one's not going to be as serious as this

one that's going to be more of a meme

but

it will get us attention right it's

going to get us popular but this is

actually a crusade where the salem witch

trust thing is the funny meme it's going

to be fun during halloween right okay

anyway

um

an action that prompted an angered

reaction from the general public

so

american abolitionists were fucking

pissed that it prohibited slavery only

in the united kingdom not in its

colonies

the influential fairfax resolves

you know which is in the colony of

virginia called for an end to the wicked

cruel and unnatural atlantic slave trade

okay

one of the first articles advocating for

the emancipation of slaves

was from

thomas paine one of our founding fathers

titled african slavery in america

the society for the relief of

people held in bondage was the first

american abolition society formed 1775

by quakers

um

and benjamin franklin was its fucking

president

now what riddle me this what

what at what time did the british

abolish slavery

in con the trade i mean they didn't

abolish it but they abolished the trade

after this shit happened right so you

can probably expect that the british

public's sentiment against the slave

trade was influenced by the american

revolution and its ideas rather than the

reverse the only evidence you need of

that fucking fact is that the british

authorities in the british empire still

continue to rely

on american slavery in the south at the

expense

of america

and america's industrial development

and that is a historical fact the

british were going to intervene during

the civil war on behalf of the fucking

confederacy

they didn't believe in the american idea

they thought america was a bunch of

bullshit you know what these fucking

british snobs said

oh we've let these americans with their

little experiment but

they're getting in the way of our

colonial empire and our profits and

we're not going to let america become an

industrial power

no no no that would be going quite too

far we're going to fund the confederate

slavercrats in order to destroy the

constitution destroy the idea of america

it was always of nonsense and now we're

going to bring america back into the

breast of the british empire

that it would become a prostitute just

like canada

and australia

we're gonna destroy them we don't

believe in the silliness of the american

idea we don't believe in the silliness

of americans and the republic that's

nonsense nonsense we need a whore in

charge just like the horde british queen

victoria and the british queen

we british we answer to the queen

yes we are satanists you see we put

mother gaia in charge yes you don't

think that the british queen is a symbol

of the mother goddess that the

occultists worship

you don't think there's an occult

significance to the virgin queen trope

that the british have that they belong

to no man and they answer to no man and

they're going to preserve their

individual liberty by having a queen as

the head of state you don't understand

the significance of that it means

unfettered rule of the british ruling

class they don't have to answer to a

fucking higher authority you don't you

don't understand how the british ruling

class puts a fucking horror in power

who's a who's a powerless whore they put

her in power and defend her honor and

defend her grace so they can actually

all rule as kings as oligarchs you don't

know the fact that for them if they had

a a man in power

real man with real power right that that

would that would put them in check like

a julius caesar would put them in check

and wouldn't allow them to fucking have

the unfettered power and reign as a as

an oligarchy

they either have a fucking virgin queen

prostitute or they have

a cuck in power the the kings that

british britain has are cucks and the

queens they have are whores they're

prostitutes so the british are ruled by

whores and cucks and it's it's the

goddamn fucking whore of babylon it is

the whore of babylon that they put at

the head of state

to explain this to you what the british

did

they emulated the catholic church but

they they made like an an explicitly

demonic version of the catholic church

where instead of having a pope they have

a literal like representation of the

whore of babylon in power

and that's like the the pope right

and it's this completely artificial sick

twisted system that they created because

the founders of the modern british

empire in the the britain they're

satanists they're occultists

they are literal satanists i'm not

fucking lying to you i'm not kidding

these are sick evil people

see people talk about zionism i think

zionism is the root of all evil

zionism is british that was created by

britain it was even influenced by

britain because the british saw

themselves as the new israelites and

they saw themselves as the chosen people

of the world the british right and that

created zionism as other new jewish

people jewish people were just chilling

they were doing their own thing right

jewish people you know they had rabbis

and they were doing whatever the hell

they were doing those those people were

just chilling right the real evil comes

from the fucking british empire

but jewish people were blamed

when they were innocent

for the most part like majority right as

lenin said

independently

it grew 10x the size of the empire prior

to the war that's 100x the size of the

britain itself after the war this topic

actually gets me upset so thanks so many

myth that it feel helpless to tackle

yeah it pisses me off too it's pissing

all of us off that's why we're forming

in commemoration of the american

declaration of independence on july 4th

we are starting the 1776 commission

of america and actually i want this

commission

i'm gonna i'm gonna talk to the larouche

people about it and i'm gonna talk to

cpi about it and maybe we'll all come

together and instead of it being an

infrared commission we'll just like have

the

1776

mission right

and we will all collaborate and work

together to counter

the disinformation and propaganda coming

from the globalist elites about the

founding of our country right

so i'm gonna i'm gonna message daniel

burke sometime

or pesto mime or someone and we're i'm

gonna see we can get going to get you

know a discord going or get some kind of

research

thing going and we're gonna start

descent we're gonna have a barrage of

propaganda all over social media

and on on youtube i'm gonna cover shit

on youtube

we could we should hold streams together

actually we should have fucking done

this tonight you know

i'm sure everyone else is celebrating

and we're gonna have our 1776 commission

where we basically debunk the lies you

know whether it's coming from pedophiles

in argentina or it's coming from fat

people in canada or it's coming from you

know american

leftover chazoid scum uh we're gonna

fight back against all the propaganda

about 1776.

so

in 1777

independent vermont became the first

polity in north america to prohibit

slavery

so let me get this straight

1776 was actually about preserving

slavery

and yet the first abolition of slavery

that happens

before britain is vermont

based edition

yeah thank you so much adam so the first

polity in north america ever in history

was vermont that abolished slavery the

first polity in north america to

prohibit slavery ever

was vermont

not true okay if it's not true

uh which polity in north america

prohibited slavery

masters were required to remove slaves

from vermont

the abolition movement began from

criticism of slavery in britain itself

that's not fucking true that is not

fucking true britain never had slavery

dumb fuck they never had slavery on the

soil even in the fucking middle ages

they didn't according to their common

law they never had that thing on their

soil it was the debate going on within

the colonies that spurred

the abolition movement

throughout the entire empire

they didn't they never had it in their

fucking colonies

you're wrong

yeah we ended it period

i can't believe i mean like this 1619

project shit all these fucking midwit

liberal dumb fucks

are always going around proclaiming did

you actually know that the american

revolution was about slavery did you

actually know the american yeah they

always say this shit because it sounds

like it would be true because oh yeah

britain prohibited the slave trade i

don't know in the 1790s or early 1800s

or something right

but they're not paying attention to the

actual fucking details of the history

um

and they're just adopting and making up

this convenient story which came out of

nowhere and the only explanation for the

1619 project

is the globalist agenda to destroy

america and return us to the fold of the

tyranny of the british empire there's no

other fucking reason there's literally

none

there's no consistent reading of the

details of that revolution

that will lead you to that conclusion

it's not just a dissident scholarly view

it is outright a shoehorned agenda

that is intentionally there and

intentionally set up

in order to completely discredit

america it's it's it guys i want to

explain something to you

look we're gonna just temporarily right

i want to explain something to you guys

about color revolutions and the ideology

of color revolutions and how they happen

so before the fall of communism

you had the these agents of the open

society and all these other actors who

infiltrated

uh communist states

all of a sudden

the mythology of communism was debunked

right the whole founding the glorious

revolutions the october revolution

all of that was now put into question

and what they did was they basically

destroyed the founding myths of

communism and communist states

and that was step one of the color

revolutions

that led to the globalist takeovers now

they didn't succeed everywhere right but

they sure as hell succeeded in a lot of

places

right

so

people don't know that

people don't know that

let's return

the constitution included several

provisions

which accommodated it

none used the word

ask unanimously the congress of the

confederation

in which slavery had been legal with the

population of sparse the first state to

begin the gradual abolition of slavery

was pennsylvania 1780 all importation of

slaves was prohibited

um only the slaves mastered the filter

ransom state along with future children

of enslaved mothers so they were

gradually trying to abolish it

massachusetts took a more radical

position

1780 during the revolution

massachusetts ratified its constitution

and included within it a clause

that declared all men equal

based upon this clause several freedom

suits were filed by enslaved africans

and its supreme court

reaffirmed the case brahm versus ashley

which held that even slaves were people

that had the constitutional right to

liberty that gave freedom to slaves

abolishing slavery

slaves with a greater economic interest

of slaves such as new york

passed gradual laws while some of the

laws were gradual these states enacted

the first abolition laws in the entire

new world

state of new york the enslaved

population was transformed into

indentured servitudes

before being granted full emancipation

in 1827.

so you could see they're having a

gradual abolition of slavery in the

north

fully right

all u.s states abolish the slave trade

by 1790.

now when did the british abolish the

slave trade let me see

let me see when the british abolished

wrong thing let me see when the british

abolish slavery

it's the 1790s as well

british abolition of slave trade

what hold on hold on

you're saying the british abolish the

slave trade

after the americans did it

you're saying the americans did it in

1790

but the british did it in 1807

and you're also telling me that the

british only fully abolished it

in all their empire in 1833 is that what

you're telling me so these 16 19 cock

suckers who have always used the example

of the 1807 prohibition of the slave

trade as an example that the british

were supposedly and magically going to

abolish slavery in their colonies

the british been fucking a bottle of

slavery in their colonies until 1833 and

the only fucking reason for that is

because they were already taking for

granted the slavery in the south

in the american south

it was 17 years after the americans

abolished the slave trade in 1790

that the british did it so why is these

1619 cocksuckers telling us that this is

proof that the fucking british were

about to abolish slavery and that the

american revolution was actually about

the founding fathers trying to preserve

slavery fuck you you fucking lying

pieces of shit servants of the goddamn

british crown you pieces of shit

you goddamn lying pieces of shit all i

had to do was fucking look at a

wikipedia article to get basic facts

about this right

and yeah i could i could i could pull up

you know more scholarly shit in books

and whatever but then i would have to

read you like entire p you know this

will simplify right unless anyone wants

to contest this factually

america didn't abolish slavery in

america rhode island under the quakers

actually abolished slavery in the 1600s

but the crown realizing the usefulness

of providence as a slave port

reintroduced slavery in the 1700s

thank you so much soapbox

chandler america didn't abolish slavery

states abolished it there were still

kidnappings where they were taken to the

south

what is your point dude you have to

understand

what an evil demonic

place there are they're emerging from

okay

they're not emerging from your

i hate fucking stupid people i just i

fucking hate them i hate stupid people

who think

that first there was communism in 1775

there was communism everyone was equal

it was beautiful

such a

phoniest society in 1775.

we were all equal we were all holding

hands and it was a rainbow there was

trans people running around

in non-binary people

and

poc by poc women of color were singing

the songs of the rainbow

and then in 1777

the phony fuckers came and destroyed the

communism that we had under the british

empire

slavery and racism and evil

if only we never existed this fucking

american revolution

we would be living

in communism already

fucking retards you're fucking stupid in

your head that is literally how leftists

think

fucking dumb fucks you stupid fucks

yeah we were living in a utopia before

the american revolution and then the

american revolution

rolled back progress you are so it's

cynical how full of shit you are it's

it's fucking cynical

thank you so much panda august billis

was a german communist who moved to the

us and became a union general in the

civil war

marx said in the civil war in north

america village showed that he is more

than a visionary

yeah i mean mark said a lot marx said

that the star-spangled banner carried

with it the future of the proletarian

class

around the world

marx and engels liked america they saw

america as more advanced than europe

they liked it

okay

south carolina reversed that decision in

1803.

the american south freedom suits were

rejected by courts

which held the state the constitution

didn't apply to the african-americans

federal government abolished the

transatlantic slave trade in 1808

one year after the british did it

even though they did it beforehand right

like all u.s states did it in 1790 and

south carolina which was the biggest

stronghold of slavery

reversed the decision in 1803

and then five years later

the federal government said no no south

carolina you damn sons of bitches

we are not allowing this right so all

american states

did it

so they're trying to tell us the british

were more advanced because the british

abolished in 17 1807 where we only

abolished it in um

1808 a year later right but they're

neglecting the crucial context that in

1790 by that time all u.s states had

abolished it and that south carolina had

only reintroduced it in 1803 which is

what prompted the federal government to

respond

let me show you something else

i'm gonna show you some quotes okay

give me a second

let me find this

here it is

okay

so this is uh john quincy adams one of

the american founding fathers

the inconsistency of the institution of

domestic slavery but the principles of

the declaration of independence was seen

and lamented by all the southern

patriots of the revolution

by no one with deeper and more

unalterable conviction than by the

author himself

no charge of insecurity or hypocrisy can

be fairly laid to their charge

never from their lips was heard one

syllable of attempt to justify the

institution of slavery

they universally consider it as a

reproach fasted upon them by the

unnatural stepmother country the whore

the british queen great britain

and they saw that before the principles

of the declaration of independence

slavery in common with every other mode

of oppression was destined sooner or

later to be banished from the earth the

british didn't believe that the british

believed it would exist for for all

eternity okay

because they believed it was justified

such was the undoubting conviction of

jefferson to his dying day in the memoir

of his life wren at the age of 77 he

gave to his countrymen the solemn

emphatic warning that the day was not

distant when they must hear and adopt

the general emancipation of their slaves

and you are telling me that this was a

counter-revolution

that existed to preserve slavery

that's what the 1619 project wants to

tell us

they also claim and this is one of their

other reproaches this is one of their

other tricks they try to tell us right

which is that well

maybe you're right about this but but

but

what about indigenous people wasn't the

american revolution like about white

people who wanted to like um engage in a

genocide against the indigenous people

as someone else had already pointed out

the british had already violated their

promise in

1763

i think on numerous occasions as well so

no that had nothing to do with it

literally nothing

as far as westward expansion was

concerned

um the idea that the spanish and the

french

weren't trying to do that themselves the

idea that like america was just oh yeah

it was recognized as indigenous

sovereign territory you think the

british ever gave a fuck about the

sovereignty of indigenous people

whatsoever

anywhere in the world

show me a single fucking

example of where the sovereignty of the

people

was an obstacle to british ambitions

for it colonial expansion as one of my

donors pointed out

the british empire expanded like a

hundred fold

after the american revolution and you're

telling me that they weren't gonna

fucking expand westward you're a fucking

delusional idiot

okay roman this has got to be relevant

to what we're talking about here

uh or else okay what's going on

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yeah

okay

all right so what is this about

okay go ahead i mean it would make a lot

more sense for the

uh like the revolutionaries to

the clear sleeves free so they would

because there was a huge slave

population so if they did that they

would have fought

on their side that's what many

colonial powers did because

we we shouldn't be stupid and say the

british actually cared about slavery but

there were many times where like taking

other colonies for example

the

other colonial power would

like claim the slaves to be free so the

slaves would ally with them so like what

happened was the majority of slaves

allied with the british

against the revolution that's when

that's not really true a large portion

if the founding each others were against

it it would have made a lot more sense

they get like

they get these uh slave or at least

slaves on their sides by saying they're

free

no that's british that british thing

about if you join us if you're a slave

that was not like decisive for any

victory so i don't know why you're

saying that

i'm just i mean i'm just saying if the

founding fathers really

were yeah but that that

a lot of them were

not denied that would have not been

enough

to fight against the slave-owning ruling

class then the british wouldn't have the

crazier majority in like south carolina

and cert where the slaves are naturally

that doesn't mean that they're they're

trained with arms and that they're going

to take up arms yeah amen

because of easily then i mean they were

obviously fit they were slaves they

probably had

physical they have been given arms

yeah that i i just doubt that i doubt

that okay

and then also i'd say part of it seems

like you're taking some agency away from

the

slaves in their own

like

how am i doing that i mean because there

are lots of examples like oh like uh he

that mentions for example haiti

the slaves themselves

why are you bringing

because that's irrelevant

no no no you know what i'm not gonna

have this bullshit haiti was explicitly

influenced by both the american and

french revolutions so what are you

talking about

it was i mean there are a lot of things

you're saying it could have been a

haitian revolution at the time of the

declaration of invention okay maybe

there could have i guess i mean there

are a lot of slave revolts okay i'm just

saying i would make if

i mean we just what made a lot more

sense to me but wait i mean i i don't

think that the founding i don't believe

in the counter revolution thing over

sleep right just kind of pointing that

out i guess all right but

okay so what what effectively are you

saying you're saying the founding

fathers

would still hypocrite i'm saying it's

still hypocritically cool i mean okay

hold on you're saying the founding

fathers there's still one they could

have still won like if they

allowed do you have a source for that

that they could have won i mean it's

just intuitive because every other hold

on every other now and every other

revolt

like in like in latin american every

independence revolt the abolitionist

cause and the fight for independence

merged this it was the slaves along with

okay but you understand that there was a

you understand there was a unique

institution of slavery within the

americas and there was a slave owning

class created by britain by the british

i think it was i mean yeah it was i mean

yeah it was and it had a deep entrenched

interest and it had its claws in the

soil of america

okay and those are also part of the so

you're saying that class could have just

been abolished

if the founding fathers uh did a similar

move that the british did most of the

majority of the founding fathers

themselves also had slaves yeah we know

it was obviously yeah most of the elites

i mean they could have they could have

still done that gradually but if they

said slavery as well

gradually what are you talking about but

they may have to end up going to war

that's interesting why did they end up

having to go to war uh if if you're

saying that it was never in their

intention to get rid of slavery

i mean that was

that that was a long time later like

almost 100 years so

yeah it's almost like it's almost like

they couldn't really afford

a civil war and there would have had to

have been a civil war so let me just

riddle me this if there had to have been

a civil war over slavery

okay

just just bear with me here if there had

to have been a civil war over slavery

when that

issue actually came up

what makes you think that the loyalists

the sorry the slave owners joining the

loyalist cause in 1776

wouldn't have been a decisive blow

to the revolutionaries

if they were powerful enough

to like be able to resist

the abolition of slavery

like to the point where it would cause a

civil war unless you want to say that

you know um slaves

lost their ability to um

you know destroy slavery overnight

so i i personally don't know this you

can actually educate me about this did

slaves cease to be a majority in

southern states

at the time of the american revolution

hello

you muted yourself

okay well

slave population south carolina

someone uh someone else can get this for

me so slave population

in south carolina

so let's just look at um

south carolina 100 and so they grew by

threefold so by 1850 there was almost

400 000

okay so 400 000 so south carolina south

carolina population age

so it was uh

668 000

1850 apparently

um

so they were what about

half

by then

more than half

they were still a majority

okay

so yeah i mean they they they always

they went from being a third

to being half

so in 1800

were a third of south carolina and they

actually became more numerous they

became half of south carolina roman are

you there

i don't i have no fucking idea why

you're muted dude i've

yeah i'm so sick of this time wasting

fucking bullshit i'm so dude just

dude what are you doing typing

typing the fucking uh

show requests what the fuck is going on

he's got his mic muted for whatever

fucking reason dude i'm gonna give you

45 seconds

and if you don't re if you don't type

something

yeah sorry sorry it wasn't

so why why do you mute your mic

uh i didn't even actually didn't realize

i muted my mic and then i was looking

for it because i was letting you speak i

know

all right so it seems to me like the

slave population of south carolina

actually increased and i don't think

they were a majority in 1800 they were

actually a third year yeah so they they

increase yeah they increased because

they're they were even importing more

slaves yeah

so but you're right you're your logic

though that if the founding fathers

would have been incited a slave

insurrection within south carolina one

third is a is a large it's still a very

significant yeah but you're not

listening to what i'm saying

when the union actually pulled out

himself

let me speak when the union

waged the war against slavery during the

civil war

he had they had their emancipation

proclamation okay

was the emancipation proclamation be

single-handed single-handedly the reason

why the confederacy lost

uh no

why not does it though is it the major

reason why they lost

i mean it definitely i mean it

definitely would have helped because

there were so much

tips

for the union but also there probably

wasn't some kind of like organized

message i doubt most even all the slaves

would have heard that so how would they

have done so at the time

okay okay so how would they here

because there are already cases one

planters were like an elite minority and

two it was like they're already cases of

indentured servants who were white

themselves outlining with slaves so like

they could have really taken advantage

of that i think

if it was a

proletarian are you done

yeah i'm done

if that's not what tipped the scales and

by the way that emancipation

proclamation was issued on the 1st of

january 1863 and the war would rage on

for two years later so almost half of

the war is after that hap so i don't see

how that's tipping the scales

but

if that problem you're bringing i just

want you to just try and be logical with

me just instead of talking over me and

saying irrelevant bullshit like you just

said right now

focus on the substance of the problem

you just said the founding fathers could

have abolished slavery

at the time of 1776 because there was

such a large slave population and then

they could have abolished it after the

they could have abolished it after and

after the they got maybe the british

so it's really just the british holding

like it doesn't change it doesn't

you just told me

that even when they were trying to

abolish it they still had to fight a

civil war

yes

i mean they could i mean they could have

still fought against the planters

okay there's a slight okay there's a

slight problem with that and i've

stopped speaking over me just let me get

this in this is of decisive significance

the slight problem is that they were

fighting the british so if the people

who would have been such a formidable

foe that it's going to take like a five

year civil war to fight them if they

became loyalists what do you think would

have happened to the american revolution

i mean why wouldn't why wouldn't they

already have been

most of them already support the british

like from what i

from what i was reading

no a lot of the southerners southern

states are already had a much larger

uh support for them yeah but

in order for those articles of

confederation to be ratified they were

needed

otherwise they would have

been loyalists for the british empire

i mean

maybe i i

i mean i could

northern colonies

my logic is that the northern colonies

i would have been would have been the

revolutionaries would have been crushed

if the british formed an alliance with

the loyalists

possible they could have also been been

won by there's still a possibility that

we would have won with

abolishing because

it like you can see my point it's still

it doesn't change the fact that and the

united states has slavery even longer

than

written for a very long time and it's

kind of

still critical for how much longer

when did they abolish like 18 30 yeah

so why did britain abolish slavery in

1833

probably because they just became

an obsolete mode of production for them

or something no it didn't

british or maybe it was just there was

a threat

i want to take the

agency

british industry continue to rely

fundamentally on the institution of

slavery in the american south

when right after yes after the 1830s

when they abolished it in their fucking

colonies

they were going to intervene they were

going to intervene in this it was they

were so dependent on slave labor i

wanted them to shut your whore mouth

they were also reliant

i'm gonna slur i'm gonna slur out

they were so reliant on the institution

of slavery

you're muted by the way they were so

reliant on the institution of slavery

that they were going to intervene during

the american civil war

on behalf of the confederacy

if what you're saying is true why didn't

they side with the union when the union

was trying to fight slavery why was why

was the confederacy literally created in

a conspiracy with the british and with

canada

tell me that

now you get unmuted

go ahead

i'm pretty sure the british did not ally

with the confederate states

but

i mean i know the south they were they

wanted them to but i don't think they

like actually sent military support

you're right they didn't you want to

know why because of catherine the great

sorry not catherine the great because of

uh czar alexander

okay

okay now

because i i don't see this

this conversation really or the slavery

parts going

uh

like

there's just not there's never going to

be a change i just concede

british when

they're bri like this there's no

confederacy without britain period

they they didn't get him i mean there's

no usa without britain either so

no because britain and there's no north

without the can

i mean they are they rely the 13

colonies

benefited as a whole from the slave

trade at least initially until they

started changing and they had more

industry when did it start changing i

don't particularly care whether or not

they morally

supported it or not or any other really

because no to me it doesn't matter

you're not even doing what's happening

you're not really shut the fuck up

i i already said i can see enrollment do

you have like a disorder do you have a

disorder where you have like this hunt

mouth where shit just keeps flying out

i've been i've been pretty recycled

literally

because you you can't let your opponent

respond shut the fuck up you're doing

and you did it again are you do you have

a mental disorder that i should know

about that that makes you incapable of

hearing what your opponent is saying and

yes i have a blood type of autism

but i mean i have autism

okay my bad so you have autism that's

that explains it okay i'll try to be

more patient with you then okay thank

you for

coming forward with that

okay

so

so

the north

was already and it depends on which

state was already gradually abolishing

slavery so slavery was not the mainstay

of the northern economies after

1776. in any capacity

okay

i i will i told you i will just concede

all right

at this point because i have other

points i want to argue all right what

are the next part

the next part is about the indians right

yeah

sure that proclamation line stuff so i

think part of it is

i i obviously don't think that the

british cared about indigenous groups

they were asked they were the original

colonizers of them but a lot of the

point is that

the outcome of the revolution ended up

worse for

the indigenous group

i don't think it's impossible to say it

like it didn't end up worse

for them

well would it have been like i think i'm

says war the british cited what becomes

of course it was like part of

it was because they genuinely cared it

was part of like geopolitical things but

they started with the comes as war they

were more so

most of the tribes allied with the

british a few allied with the americans

actually

most did so like the outcome for

indigenous people and probably also

africans

undeniably was worse

like for with the revolution whether or

not it was good for

like as a whole you could say it was

worse for those

those other nations

and for mexico obviously it was worse

because

roman i'm going to do something where

you just tell me where you stop talking

and i can talk and then um i'll just

okay i'm stop i'll just mute myself when

i'm done so you can go

just tell me when you're done

i'm done now okay

so

you said that the american revolution

first you said also for african people

it was worse

now which ones are you talking about

maybe for the ones that were emancipated

that fought for the british yeah

obviously undoubtedly but slaver slaves

as a whole had were better

what you're being you're saying they

would have been better or

life-threatening because

slavery expanded into like into uh texas

and

all of those places

after independence

but i'm more focused in this case

so

texas

i don't know if you're familiar with

this but texas

was not the product of um

american expansion

yeah yes it was part of uh westward like

yes i was a slave state that was part of

westward expansion even before that you

know texas was an independent state and

then it decided to join the union

i mean i'm pretty sure that they were

independent for the purpose of joining

like california also was but like they

quickly got annexed pretty quickly

most of the people moving there for from

other american states in the south in

texas

it lasted ten years it lasted ten years

yeah and they got they got annexed in it

stayed as a slave state and it was still

part of this expansion

they were

okay so there's a westward okay

the texas mexican okay

so my question is um

how do you know that that would not have

happened

under even worse conditions

under the british because it don't come

me off

the british also were prohibiting the

abolition of slavery in the northern

colonies

consistently they were blocking all

attempts to legislate away and restrict

slavery in northern colonies

so it seems like to me the same thing

would have happened under the british

except this time it would also exist in

the northern colonies as well meaning

there would have been no

base

in the american colonies for an

abolition of slavery you would have

slavery throughout the whole thing

i

i would probably disagree a lot because

canada

they

got rid of they didn't have slavery

either so like i doubt the northern

states

you can't

okay was slavery in any capacity a

mainstay of the canadian economy

no but i'm saying a lot of them states

and british north america they couldn't

have really had

a major like plantation economy anyway

so they probably will have naturally

been but yeah yeah right

poses a risk on itself it's not just

because obviously the slaves don't want

to be in sleep so they could have also

fought

i mean for them for their own interests

hey are you done

yes but

i wanted you to also respond because i

brought up the points of the indigenous

and westward expansions

yo are you done yet or no i know you

have a problem like are you done can you

meet yourself yes yes i'm i'm done but

if i wanted to respond to the westward

expansion point of view yeah but i

didn't i didn't get shit in though

that's the problem i didn't get a

goddamn thing in i've given me i'm

giving you time to talk okay

so

you're right the slave economy

had no longer been a mainstay or a basis

of the northern colonies which is also a

contributing factor to why they tried to

legislate away slavery

according to the british because of the

upholding of the sacred property rights

they were blocked so what makes you

think the british would have ceased to

block

initiatives by the northern colonies to

eliminate the institution of slavery

because clearly the fact that they're no

longer reliant on the planter economy is

not enough cause because they weren't

reliant on the plant planter economy

when they were trying to legislate it

away

under british rule

and i would say

on that point there's a

i would say you're correct then

or you could be correct because it's

that's almost like just going into this

historical

you know these historical points like

what what if

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that gave way for westward expansion

i mean yes because there was the

proclamation line where they were saying

they're trying to limit settlers into

the um

appalachians they said that line but

i don't think you can deny on that point

that

either way it ended up worse for

indication indigenous people

especially

uh further down the line with like the

have you heard of like the california

genocide

and

yeah the american indian nurse and stuff

okay

so the proclamation line

was that line violated by the british

themselves repeatedly

i mean what it was like it was more of

the um

i mean yes like they clearly were

colonizers themselves i'm not denying

that

so do you think that do you think

there's an empire in history at least in

the modern world it comes close in the

scale of atrocities and massacres and

genocides as the british empire

at the united states and nazi germany

probably

wait you think the united states was

worse than the british empire in terms

of its crimes

it would definitely be

up there because it still continued even

it still did whether or not they

more like most of the north morally

supported it was still within the united

states that there was slavery still even

though they did the bullshit which is

good i can see the problem here

genocide

what what entire continent did the

americans genocide

uh

north america at least a large part of

north america the majority of that no

that genocide was overwhelmingly

committed by the british and the spanish

no it was not because western

started like 1830 from 1830 to 1889

that is when the majority of the

westward expansion happened that was not

the british that was

americans the california genocide for

example

what happened to the indigenous people

before the westward expansion the ones

that were in uh the 13 colonies

there are wars against them and uh

genocide by the settlers that were

censored

by the british

the settlers

had nothing to do with people so the

east india company had nothing to do

with it

that was part of those were settlers

so the settlers also the settlers also

colonized india too right

and that's india is a very is a

different case well it's still the same

it's still the same

it is still the same east india company

yeah yeah there was all right i just

want to get this straight i want to get

i want to get this straight you are

saying that america forget about the

20th century but like

yeah i'm gonna mute you dude i'm gonna

just mute you i'm sorry i i can't i'm

losing my patience with you interrupting

me so you're muted okay

so

you're saying that america

forget about the post-war 20th century

that's more complicated thing but you're

saying that compared to the british

empire america was worse

let me tell you something the british

empire was worse even than nazi germany

okay

you're not just talking about the crimes

in the americas

which was just the outright ethnic

cleansing in genocide i mean outright

destroy you're talking about the whole

fucking world dude you're talking about

africa you're talking about india you're

talking about asia you're talking about

the opium wars and china i mean

it is

so you are

the simple problem is that you're

illiterate you just don't know about the

crimes of the british empire i mean the

the idea is so egregious it doesn't even

come close i mean you mentioned

america in the philippines and shit i

mean yeah that's bad

but that's not a drop in the puddle

that's a drop in the ocean

compared to what the fucking british did

i think you are just plainly ignorant

about basic historical facts i'm gonna

let you and give you an opportunity to

respond to that right

but then he also said oh it was actually

the settlers

who were responsible for most of the

genocide okay well

british colonization wasn't

only decentralized okay the british the

same east india company that's in india

and the rest of that's also the one in

in the american colonies

the disgusting institution of slavery

is according to the founding fathers

themselves originating from britain

they they're the ones who created that

sick disgusting system to begin with

and yet somehow the blame is to be

levied on america instead not the not

britain not the british empire but

america

go ahead

at first i didn't say they were worse

they said they were up there and i also

mentioned the spanish empire like all of

these empires were

pretty pretty close competitors

with each other

the british

were they were the biggest they were the

most expansive but one difference

between for example colonialism in india

and africa and these places was there

wasn't a complete demographic

replacement

you're off like you see with these

indigenous keepers sometimes

were like there were cases like they

were but i mean of course there couldn't

have been because of population but

there was not a complete demographic

replacement

like these were there was their

genocides

they were they were genocides yes okay

so instead of just instead of replacing

people they just look like on the same

scale

of like the complete genocide of an

entire

consonant pretty much

most of

that's what i was gonna say you know

that most people in the new world

so-called new world yes but you can't

only put this on disease because that's

like for example when nazis say oh well

a lot of the jews died because of the

conditions these conditions were

partially made okay because for one they

were awesome

okay to force these

to be

okay so i don't want that i have to meet

you again that's okay so the horrific

treatment of indigenous people yes by

americans as well

that is a vestige of the british empire

the only evidence you need of that fact

is that in canada it was just as vicious

okay and continue to be just as vicious

so for you to say it was worse for

indigenous people because of the united

states at the british we're going to

honor this proclamation line

i'm just going to press x to doubt dude

the british were worse than the

americans because they didn't have the

values the americans had they also

didn't have

the you know ins like this sense of a

an actual indigenous commitment to this

land and the people in it

they didn't have the same reverence and

respect for the indigenous tribes that

the founding fathers did as it's like a

matter of the founding of the state the

statecraft of america

you know

it's it's not even fucking close okay

so

at this point you're just speculating

for you to say it got worse for

indigenous people

um

it did for many okay

but would it have been worse even worse

had there been no american revolution

and had the british empire still had its

claws

in america yeah i think it would have

been way worse i think america

would have undergone similar i mean

worse even worse treatment

than britain's you know colonies in

africa and india

and asia

it was bad yeah but for you to say that

it it's worth i mean

it getting worse doesn't address whether

that was inevitable either way

so that's the question

go ahead

okay first first of all

like yes there was it was like a vestige

or whatever came originally from the

british but that doesn't but americans

themselves also

know their ethnogenesis is tied to

but british too they speak english all

of this that's the first point so you

can't just excuse the problems in

america as oh that's just because of the

british first and second the big thing

about the indigenous commitment to the

land

and the way that makes it worse for

example

um from the american side like where on

the land itself okay that actually

does not

look at for example the extermination of

the bison

okay

i i muted you i

you talked about the bison i muted you

because i have to go get the door for

something so

go ahead and continue what you were

saying

okay like

that that did not

what whatever connection there was that

did not make them

were like that doesn't for one that

doesn't excuse it also doesn't mean they

were somehow better because one thing

i'm mentioning is the how the americans

they try to exterminate the bison for

the purpose of

making the or pretty much forcing the

different indigenous groups and the

planes to

battle onto these plots

also you're trying to excuse it with

only disease but things like that so no

one uh just don't waste time you okay i

won't that was a bad way to award it no

no you know i'm gonna meet you just

clarify okay

so the reason i bring up disease is

because the reason the crimes in africa

and in india and the rest of the world

don't appear as egregious as in the

americas

is because of that decisive factor of

disease way more people were wiped out

in the americas relative to africa and

what relative to

you know um

other parts of the world the british

empire colonized

because of that decisive factor of

disease so that is why it was worse okay

so that's all i meant when it came to

that

i mean yes that is true because it would

have been for one impossible to do

whatever they did to be native americans

to like africans just by based on

population

but

i mean

that that still doesn't change the

effect of this continental

genocide also

it's um

yeah they just it doesn't change it

doesn't really change

the

the extreme skill also i have the

ideology to justify like manifest

destiny destiny that ideology which

on its on itself is pretty genocidal

because it's saying okay this group of

people has the right to take all of this

limb not only from indigenous groups but

other

uh countries like mexico or

france i guess with those territories oh

france had a righteous claim to that

territory oh no they don't but i'm just

saying

against not only other european powers

or mexico or whatever but i'm saying

that ideology okay

the indigenous people

were not considered though they had this

god-given right to

annex all of this land

and push them off you're not educating

us about manifest destiny we know what

it is tell me are you doing yes yes but

i mean i'm just saying that ideology

that ideology driving it is another

feature

is

you just made that point again are you

done

you're not saying anything new i i got

like three points down and i'm waiting

for you to finish unless you have

something new to bring don't just repeat

what you already said dude uh you're

really testing my patient i'm trying

really hard for you okay

so i'm gonna mute are you done

i mean all all you have given me was

pretty much what a baptism or like

because i let you just speak for 10

minutes dude i let you fight for 10

minutes to get every point that you

wanted

i'm just waiting for you to respond

i'm quitting because you're just making

excuses because you're an american

you're not even letting you're an

american nationalist you're you're a

fucking idiot fuck you bro

you fucking pussy you stupid pussy i let

you talk for like 10 minutes and all i

wanted to do was get my point in

calls me a name and bitches out like a

fucking pussy you goddamn cocksucker

fuck you

he says shit i was so fucking patient

with that guy too okay so to address the

other points he was trying to make

even if okay he said okay that that you

can't assume that it would that the

americans would have been better than

the british okay let's say they're just

equally as bad okay then you cannot say

the american revolution was worse for

those indigenous people because the same

shit would have happened okay that was

the first point

now he said some shit about bison

again if the same thing would have

happened under the british

um

you cannot say the american the founding

of the united states was uniquely worse

for the indigenous people you can't if

the same thing would have happened under

the british all i'm saying is that i

speculate it would have been worse under

the british empire

because

the founding fathers had a lot of

progressive ideas the british were

constantly blocking right

including about the issue of slavery by

the way which is what the civil war was

actually about it was about stopping the

westward expansion of slavery if you

didn't fucking know that there's no

reason to think the british would have

prohibited a westward

expansion of slavery okay finally the

last point he made was about manifest

destiny he's saying the ideology of

manifest destiny was inherently

genocidal i'm actually going to push

back on that and i'm sorry inherently um

was it genocidal he said yeah i'm gonna

push back on that because

manifest destiny although yeah it did

involve a lot of injustices committed

against indigenous people i'm not

downplaying or denying that

it wasn't about displacing indigenous

people that was incidental but it's not

like they created and whipped up the

manifest destiny thing to say we are

going to take the indigenous people's

land no the you know it's almost like

they had this

inconsiderate view of indigenous people

like they had this vision of manifest

destiny that you know america's future

lies in in this kind of you know move to

the west and we're going to like build

electrical lines sorry we're going to

build um telephone lines what the fuck

was it not telephone lines um

i i got no sleep i don't fucking

remember right we're going to like um

bring progress and we're going to bring

you know

industry and modern life

to the west and settle this you know

mostly uninhabited land

correct me if i'm wrong about it wasn't

it i'm not saying that justifies the

dispossession of indigenous people

wasn't it mostly though

yeah railroads railroads and the

telegram and stuff right

that is not

that is not essentially genocidal

there's nothing essentially genocidal

about that it is not sufficiently

considerate

of indigenous people and i agree with

that it did not take into consideration

the rights

the natural rights if you want to put it

that way of indigenous people or even

just the humanity of indigenous people

and i completely agree with that right

yeah very lowly densely populated mostly

right

so i agree with that but that ideology

is not inherently it's not inherently uh

one of conquering

you know all these other peoples it's

more so this idea and if you want to say

that this is

this is what's genocidal you can you can

try to argue that and you know

i'll i'll work with you right but you it

was more this idea that this is like

empty land

that's

you know by the grace of god we are

destined to kind of

make something out of it and we're going

to create what america is

in our westward expansion

there's so much more to what manifest

destiny is

than its crimes is what i'm trying to

say there's way more to it okay

it's

it's more specifically about the

uniquely american relationship to land

so

the british relationship to land is

based on kind of like this

you know um

backwards view that it's based on

inheritance so the british the idea of

british empires that the whole world is

the inheritance of britain right

more or less because this is the new the

new israelites whatever right

whereas the idea of manifest destiny is

is not actually about inheritance

it's more specifically about this

force

from the future that is pulling us and

compelling us

to you know expand our civilization or

spread our civilization

right

um

so it's future oriented in relation to

land the land being depicted mostly as

spares and uninhabited

in their minds right

it's it's not a

it's not a view of land or territory

that's based in past or the past

whatsoever past claims whatsoever

so

when people say shit like you know um

manifest destiny is itself inherently

genocidal

that's just not true right because

although i mean

it did lead to genocide yeah

but it's not essentially about that that

it was a

consequence

you can compare that to hitler's

expansion well why was that inherently

genocidal because it was about

the conquest and destruction of the

lower races

okay including the holocaust that was

inherently genocidal because the

eastward expansion that germany

envisioned

was actually about destroying the the

lower races it was about that in essence

okay

the american manifest destiny was not

it was not as a matter of fact the

british people say oh the british um

eastward expansion was inspired by

manifesting because some of the things

hitler said right but the truth was that

in essence it was more similar to the

british empire because the british

established their claim

on the eastern lands based on like some

ancient aryan historical right they

weren't like saying like we are being

compelled by the grace of god

um

in this undecidable way like in a way

that who's whose actual

purpose and justification cannot be

known formally right they didn't have

this like aryan race thing where they're

like oh yeah um the aryan race

um you know used to conquer all this and

we're just

retaking our empire or whatever right it

was more so this kind of

in the case of america

more so the this idea that

what america is in nick land's words is

arriving from the future like america is

creating itself from the future right

the westward expansion is manifest

destiny because it's realizing a future

it's it's like metaphysically and even

ontologically

it's a stark difference with the british

that communism itself

um

inherits in a lot of ways

communism inherits the idea of manifest

destiny this idea that we are realizing

this future mode of production

in the present the seeds of this future

are are um

immanentizing in the present that is

kind of similar to the idea of manifest

destiny isn't it

right

you lost to be honest

i think you're the guy i debated

roman i think that's you isn't that you

roman

saying that i lost to be honest it's you

dude you are a fucking pussy

you're a fucking pussy yeah you rage

quit like a bitch

just because you didn't let me say

anything i was very reasonably asking

you if you were done or not you could

have just said no i have a few more

things to say you instead decided to

dispense judgment on the entirety of my

position call me names and then bitch

out like a fucking pussy

i rage quit

no i didn't i asked him if he's done

and that can i talk now are you done can

i speak

instead of answering me he called me

names and left

he could have gotten more points in if

that's what he needed to do but he

decided to dispense judgment

characterizing the entirety of my

position and then leave

he said paz you're just doing what about

his own and i just like dude

you don't know what i'm doing because i

didn't respond to you yet

i got

very few in compared to you i was being

very gracious and patient with you

okay

he's like he's like

you're just doing like what about us

you're a fucking idiot

you're a chauvinist whatever he fucking

said you're a patriotic socialist

dude

it's not a what aboutism dude

saying that it would have been the same

or worse if the british were there isn't

a what aboutism because the actual

question

is whether or not the american

revolution would have been worse

the question is not if americans

committed crimes i agree they committed

crimes i agree they engaged in genocide

i never contested that so logically it

would be a what aboutism

if i was saying oh well the americans

didn't do anything wrong because the

british would have done the same no

that's not what i'm saying i am saying

the american revolution

was not worse

because

if it didn't happen

the british empire would have done the

same if not worse

that's what i'm trying to say

and if anyone wants to contest that idea

just contest it he could have contested

it

he decided to just fucking bitch out and

rage quit preemptively

you know i'm gonna get these donations

thank you so much voidburn appreciate

you so much

john stone was british his death sparked

the great pequot war in 1634. the big

watts beat the british twice the british

sent reinforcements until they won they

separated the men from the women made

the men slaves based thank you so much

newfoundland the brits were still

engaging in a complete and systematic

genocide and demographic replacement of

the locals well in the 1830s

thank you so much boys appreciate you

indigenous land in british columbia can

be legally invaded under command of the

queen to this day no county in the usa

has that geopolitical clause

thank you so much soapbox few months ago

these people were saying death to canada

because of the 20th century mass baby

graves now they want to tell us it would

be better if we were a nuclear exact

canada exactly based

possum equation penobscot

taken by the british by right of

conquest after the end of the seven year

war both had their languages erased all

from british contact

after the mohican tribe betrayed the

narragansett pequot alliance with the

promise that they would survive under

british rule the british nearly

genocided all the mohegans and took

their land after the great pequot war

thank you so much thank you for watching

the horrors of 20th century europe to

america is just a form of imperial

apologia and basically holocaust denial

yeah

thank you so much ned randall builders

versus records us builders will prevail

peace and prosperity too i think the

main point here the main point that

we're getting at here is that

it's some it's kind of seems to me i

don't know maybe i'm speculating it

seems to me like under america

indigenous people were fucked over like

life was made

worse

um

they were confined to a reservation

system

you know there was genocide and you know

they were like beaten down um

to a great extent right

but i feel like under the british system

you kind of just see like totally wiping

people out you know

from first contact

does that make sense like to say the

british were better

look if you want to say they're equally

bad i can work with you on that i'm not

you know maybe they are equally bad but

when you sit here and say the british

were better than america

um you are i'll spit in your fucking

face you are so full of shit you know

um

so yeah i'm looking some shit up now

and like for example yeah the population

of california

was reduced 90 percent

from the beginning of the 19th century

to the end right

but

that's also under spanish rule and it's

primarily by disease okay

something that happened in in south

carolina it's a horrific fucking thing

don't get me wrong i'm not trying to

underplay it i'm just saying

you know to compare that to the crimes

of the fucking british is just

i'm sorry i think we're going to really

understand the unique evil of the

british empire i think people don't

really appreciate that any people think

the british empire was oh is this all

the same no there's a unique fucking

evil there

that it's just as just like it's

important to bring to light

the

the kernel of um

good in the american revolution

it is so so important to to emphasize

the unique evil

of the british empire

saying equally bad in terms of like how

they would have treated indigenous

people yeah they could have been equally

bad i could you could work with me on

that you just cannot tell me the british

would have been better you just can't

convince me of that

by the way you want to know an example

of manifest destiny it's cpusa 2036 by

the way the same certainty we have

of this revival of the communist party

it's not

that's like you you have to understand

it as this idea that

the future sorry that the um

something from the future is invading

the present just like the terminator

movies right

you have to understand it like that

oh yeah the camera that i got if you

want to use it for your own shit

i'm not going to be like richard

medhurst and uh hide it

it's a sony

sorry neat feet is the guy who

recommended it to me i'm on one hour of

sleep

um

okay there's a guy named haas liar and

snake who i'm gonna bring up but

neat feet um

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fuck sake it's called the sony

zv1 it's a sony zv1

and it's the one that does not come with

um

it's just like the default one not the

one that has like detachable or modular

uh lenses it's the default lens there's

a guy named haas liar and snake

and we're gonna bring them in why am i a

liar and snake go ahead

with goggles and now you're just like

chilling for american imperialism i

don't understand are you an american

yes you live in america

yeah are you white

no

you're arab

yeah

okay where are you from

uh from lebanon

okay uh

you're in michigan

uh no i know the that's the meme but not

michigan are you a maronite

no not a christian no

okay wha why what's your

why am i lying all right are we doing

like a quiz of myself or no i'm just

curious i'm scared where you're coming

from why am i lying

oh i think you're lying because like

you're saying that british imperialism

was so much more worse than american

affairs

right that's your argument

no because what most people think of

when they think of american imperialism

is after world war ii i make the

argument that world war ii you see a

merger at best and more realistically a

takeover

by the architects of the new british

empire uh by the american state so

america's you know global system and you

know

it's crimes around the world i mean that

is coming from this

brit this new british empire like the

iraq war for example um

more recently but now you're just saying

that the british empire and the american

empire just connected at one so what is

the difference the american empire is

the new british empire it is there was

no

there was no conceivable

american empire before

uh you know world war ii

and after that you know you had these

architects of a global system where you

know the britain was going to decide

that america needs to be used

uh and he needs to you know deploy its

surpluses

uh because it wasn't devastated by the

war like the rest of europe you

basically rebuild the world

um

according to the vision of the you know

common ruling class

which is

which was ultimately

having its head in the city of london

the banks

and the financial capitalists of britain

who wanted to recreate the british

empire

in a new way yeah but you're shifting

the blame of american imperialism onto

britain

no i'm not i'm just pointing out the

obvious historical fact

that

this american imperialism is in

contradiction to these to the um

founding of this country and that and

that's that's a that's a fact because

all of the deep state organs of american

imperialism

are in violation of our constitution

there's nowhere in our constitution that

allows the cia

all these encroachments on our basic

civil liberties that corresponded to the

cold war and corresponded to the

so-called war on terror and all these

you know these wars that they're

starting i mean that is that is

completely against the intention of our

founding fathers and completely against

the intention of the founding of these

united states so right you're not gonna

really convince me that this is this is

uh

this is america's problem and moreover

i'm not saying america hasn't committed

crimes i'm not saying american

imperialism is always britain's fault

even i'm just saying that the american

revolution

was not a common revolution that the

british were not worse the american

revolution

as every communist in history

represented was a step forward for

humanity

right but you realize that um when did

the british ever do something in the way

america did where they went westward and

they wiped out the all of the population

and then so that they can inhabit it

like the british never when they took

over a place they wouldn't just wipe

everyone out and then say well we just

need white people here yeah that's

exactly what they did sir that is

literally the oh why is none of the

british colonies are majority white

except maybe australia or new zealand

oh yeah except like the biggest ones

right

oh australia's the biggest looking at

india

yeah there would yeah there would have

been no chance for the british to settle

india and and um outnumber the people

living in india i mean the only reason

also the only reason why you had such a

vast outnumbering of uh indigenous

people here was because of disease you

know that right

right and that's they spread the disease

on purpose as well once they found that

out

well i mean i i i'm not educated about

that that could very well be true i

don't know but

they couldn't do that to india

they're gonna do that to china

that doesn't mean they didn't cause just

as much like mass devastation and

suffering and also genocide that was

within their intention

capability

right well you talked about the american

values right that the cia or other

things are not in what the founding

fathers intended uh let me ask you a

question were uh black people women or

poor people allowed to vote after 1776.

can you name me a place in the world

where they were allowed to vote

i'm just asking were they allowed to

vote in britain

no of course not so why is britain

better

i'm not saying britain's better on that

okay well that's all i'm arguing i'm

saying the american revolution is a step

forward i'm not saying it's communism

not saying they achieved communism and

they uh you know they they uh

they achieved you know socialism or

something

i'm just saying it's a step forward for

humanity i'm not saying that they if

they created a utopia with a big rock

candy mountain yeah they obviously

inherited i mean but you you know you

know the only reason

that was ever a problem

was because of the very same

enlightenment which established this

idea of a universal humanity and

universal human rights so the reason why

the vote was

universalized in the first place was

because of the same enlightenment ideals

that founded it

um right but you're sort of doing a

shell game now either either it wasn't

that bad or you're shifting it on to

britain and well something britain did

caused this

you're gonna have to give me examples of

why america's worse why the american

revolution was was bad why was a

counter-revolution why is it worse than

britain

well the american revolution was bad

because i found that a nation that

committed slavery genocide and war all

across the world

okay that it didn't feel the way that

britain was never able to do

okay so

excluding the post-war world

okay

nothing the united states has done comes

close to the crimes of the british

empire

nothing

before world war ii at least what about

the unipolar liberal order

that is the british empire reincarnated

as i already said so you're just

shifting the blame again you're just

saying well it's just britain doing that

do you think the cia was a fundamental

architect of the unipolar world order

absolutely of course it is okay

how was the cia founded

you tell me

you know what the oss is

no

you know who created the oss

did did america have an intelligence

agency before world war ii

uh i don't think so no so who created

america's intelligence agency

well it was collaborated i think but no

no no it wasn't because americans had no

intelligence experience at all and they

had no agency at all they didn't know

what the fuck that was

so who created i said create created not

collaborated created america's

intelligence agency

well who allowed it

america doesn't have to accept actually

frankly

franklin delaware roosevelt

only wanted to allow it during the war

time

he wanted to dissolve it

afterwards and it was they were held at

gunpoint then right by rocky island

by who

you're saying that a rocky island held

america at gunpoint who is far superior

and dude dude

there's so much fundamental ignorance

and it's baffling you call me a liar and

snake

shilling for the american never but

you're not educated you this rocky

empire thing hey this rocky empire

this rocky island was the biggest empire

in the world it is the foundation of

modern industrial capitalism its banks

its financial capitalists had always

been in control of the world markets

these are literally the ruling class of

the ruling class of all nations

their networks their networks their

trade networks they're banking

monologuing though these these these are

gonna invade america these are this is

the stepfather of the american ruling

class itself so when you're saying it's

a rocky island you're neglecting the

fact that it's still the center of

global capitalism america had more

military power than britain at that time

though it doesn't matter that's not a

materials analysis because the cl the

ruling the global ruling class for all

intensive purposes the center of global

capitalism

where the money's flowing that's britain

and now it's in america okay

so it shifted to america

no it's not it's still the city of

london and wall street what wait no dude

yes

because after so after the new deal

you had regulations on banking

like glass-steagall do you know what

glass-steagall is

oh that was in 2008

no that was in the 1930s

under the new deal

but i'm saying that was brought up in

2008 glass title

to go after the banks

dude how old are you

don't worry about how old i am are you

under 18

no

are you sure

yeah

what's the show did you really just wait

did you really just call britain the

most powerful

what is the tv show where there's a cat

and a dog connected

what is it called brennan stimpy

they're connected

their bodies are attached what's that

show called quick quick click i just

said red mist

it's called it's called fucking cat dog

you're not over 18 dude you're not over

18. yeah run go ahead hang up and run

how old are you

i'm 19.

you're 19.

yep

okay so you've played um

sorry what is that when were you born

that's 2 000

i'm i have no sleep tell me tell me the

year you were born

2002. you were born in 2002

yep

so

by the time you were let's say four

years old all right are you going bad

empanada 2006. are you becoming bad

empanada now i think you're lying about

your age

i think you're lying about your age

you know why i think you're lying about

your age

go ahead because you think

glass-steagall was

introduced in 2008.

well i watched sam cedar that's what he

said sam cedar said that no okay well

yeah i think you're i don't i don't

think i think you're lying about your

age glass why did you say why did you

say that britain is more powerful than

america after world war ii i was trying

to explain it because glass regulations

like black glass-steagall

led to an effect of the ruling class

within america

fleeing the american regulations by

moving to the city of london

where they could

skirt the american regulations and the

city of london

became once again the center

of global capitalism because of that and

global finance capitalism in particular

and it was such a decisive part of the

cold war to be able to launder money to

mercenaries and and um counter

revolutionaries fighting communism and

whatever so

that is one of the reasons not the only

reason not even close to being the only

one actually but britain's colonial

empire never dissolved

um

it merely took new form under the

disguise

of oh yeah the uk is just a rocky island

it's not just a conspiracy theory you're

just making a bullshit

prove that okay what

what aspect of what i said as a

conspiracy theory

you're saying all the all the behind the

scenes of britain is still a colonial

empire controlling america and making

them do all the horrible things they

follow the money you want which you have

no evidence of which you have no

evidence of

don't you think rt would be posting that

like 10 times a day if that was true

so you're telling me you discovered that

but all right directly

forget about rt

russia's representative to the united

nations routinely accuses the united

kingdom of being the primary impediment

to u.s russia relations

that's not the same thing as being a

colonial power of another country

that's just okay do you believe in

neocolonialism

yeah of course is that a conspiracy

theory

no that's what france does okay where is

the new where is global neocolonialism

centered in

where's the center of that neo-colonial

power there's no center of it it's all

center at all some nations have it so

the city of london has just as much

power and influence over the world as uh

connecticut

paris france has more much more power

colonialism than britain does by far

exactly some of the colonial currency in

africa are you

american are you mentally decent you

realize you realize the only colonial

currency in africa is uh frank is the

frank he's a frank is the us dollar a

colonial currency

yes because america's dollars

it's indigenous land and this colonizer

money of course it is

why would it being indigenous land make

the us dollar more powerful

no i'm saying that it's a colonial

currency because it's on top of the

indigenous land

canada's currency is also on top of

indigenous land and it's not a

globalization

of 62. but it's not the world they're

exploiting them too is why is the us

dollar a colonial currency

because the usd is first of all uses in

a colonial way with petrodollar to take

over iraq libya afghanistan is why is

the canada's currency used for that

well they don't have the means to do

that

but it's awesome it's also built on

indigenous land

yeah canada also exploits their own

indigenous people with their colonial

currency so but that can't explain why

the currency is so powerful it can it

the united states is uh there's a lot of

reason why united states is more

powerful than canada canada is cold

didn't you just didn't you just tell me

that france was the most powerful

colonial power

as far as neo-colonialism yes so the us

is not neo-colonial

no i don't think it's neo-colonial in

that so the world bank and the imf are

not neo-colonial institutions

no i think those are yeah

where's the world bank as a much more

intimate the relationship with this

colonialism than america does by far

okay

they even have an overseas department

where they send troops into these areas

and um the united states directly rules

the united states send troops

in uh the areas of the united states

yeah sure but they're not in any areas

of the world does it how many bases rule

over it how many military bases does the

united states have around the world like

700 800 how much does france have in

africa

yeah but that's different i'm talking

about the relationship you're talking

about the power what's different about

the relationship go ahead tell me i'm

saying france has a colonial currency in

africa they have overseas departments

they have a very particular system in

place to exploit these countries the

united states has a lesser form of

colonialism a weaker colonialism of

exerting it's geopolitically why is it

less in what way is it lesser in what

way is it lesser go ahead and explain

because they literally have a do you

know

france has the new colonial system

right now france the colonial currency

that france has so france has the

colonial system that's confined to the

cfac

african countries okay the united states

has the entire fucking globe save a few

countries

particularly china right

so for you to say that france is more of

a colonial power than america is just

fucking stupid

i don't know aren't i the one who's

chilling for america not like you're

supposed to exactly what you do

no i'm not i'm i'm saying something

that's anti-american for the purposes of

argumentation

america is a much

much larger colonial power than francis

i agree with that i'm just saying

friends but then you contradicted

yourself then you contradicted yourself

no i can repeat it so what i said was

the relationship that france has with

its colonialism is much more intimate in

the than the united states why is it

much more intimate

let's see fact

okay why is the cfac more intimate than

the the usd the us dollar what makes

that to me look it up because it's

literally connected directly to frank i

know what the c pack is and

i know what the c pack is

no you don't you clearly don't yes i do

i do it is it's the listen take a break

right there for a second take a break of

reddit and google it

i don't have to google anything i know

what the cfac is

so why are you you can always it's

exclusively printed

the french central bank has exclusive

rights to print it

and um you know the french countries

that are being colonized

have to use this currency for trade

yeah that's colonialism right

okay

who has exclusive rights to print u.s

america

what is the us dollar globally

what

what is the us dollar on a global level

what does that mean on a global level

what are you saying

you know what a reserve currency is

nope

you don't know what a reserve currency

is oh now you're pivoting again

here comes another pivot

how old are you dude how old are you

how old are you how old are you right

now

25.

you sound like bad empanada right now

ask her for my age bro what are you

gonna send me pigs too

no i don't want to be talking to a miner

right now that's the problem

well i already proved my age so you

don't know what a global reserve

currency is

no what's that

so it

when your own currency is no longer

reliable

your banks are going to back up your

currency

with dollars

to stabilize your economy

okay

that's not close what is the global

reserve currency

the federal reserve controls that

okay

so i'm glad you agree what happens when

countries

decide to okay where does the value of

that currency come from right now

the federal reserve no where does the

value come from

uh the petrodollar yeah okay glad you

know that what happens when countries

decide that they want to um

sell their oil in in different

currencies

libya

okay where else

um

i think saudi arabia is florida no iraq

iraq which wanted to sell its oil in

euros

yeah i'm saying saudi arabia now is

trying to might sell in juan chinese one

okay

so

why is what france does more intimate

than the united states

well france uh has a whole system to

hold of of these colonies america just

occupies or attacks nations that's not

the best imperialism but it's not

colonial in the same way

why not

because they have literally have an

overseas department the united states

doesn't have anything like that

we don't have a state department

i'm saying they don't have an overseas

department france has an entire

department dedicated to running these

colonies do we have an entire department

dedicated to dividing the world into

different regions based on u.s strategy

so you just pivoted i didn't talk about

running or cutting things off i talked

about running it what is africom

you mean south africa

google it africom

does the united states department of

defense have different um

combative commands

yeah sure

is africom one of them

sure

okay

why is france's overseas department more

um

more colonial than the us's

commands

right because

france does a number of things in these

colonies uh first of all they have a

with this department they send soldiers

and anytime there's unrest they send

soldiers

yeah the overseas departments are

actually france's colonies

yeah does america have colonies

uh yeah ukraine

no does america formally have colonies

yeah ukraine is their colony

and israel

they might as well be the 51st or 52nd

states of america at this point

is puerto rican is puerto rico a state

no it's an overseas territory but they

but they vote to be a part of america is

guam a state

no but they vote to be a part of america

so it sounds like they asked if they

wanted to leave and they didn't want to

leave so okay

did any of france's colonies have

referendums

no they won't they they are against

france they're fighting against france

right now

puerto rico has overwhelmingly voted to

stay with the uh with the united states

because the benefits that comes with it

they don't want to be the next haiti

there have been there have been

referendums in french colonies

well

yeah but look at what happened in those

colonies uh some of the colonies have

left

okay well some many most have stayed

and more are going to start leaving

because we have to make the argument

do you disagree

can you please stay on the original

point which is that francis has a more

intimate relationship than the united

states

yeah i'm on that point that's what i'm

saying

how does your point demonstrate that

the united states uh doesn't even do it

in the same way that france does already

what's what's different what's different

the usd does not act in the same way the

cfac does

completely different how

it's literally on the currency as a

colonial currency

okay

the usd is just called the united states

dollar

it's literally like a vestige of

colonialism when there were colonial

currencies the usd works in a more um

overt way exploiting uh

petrol markets and um military but it

doesn't work in the same way that frank

does i don't know why you're dying on

this point because the whole point was

about america do not know that the usd

is a reserve currency

yeah because it runs on the dollar with

the oil

okay so what does that mean

well that's not the same way as having a

currency that's literally called a

colonial currency for these overseas

departments

it's not the same thing

less colonial than the um

the french system

no the british system is the most

imperialist

in the beginning but then america took

over

do you know what the bretton woods

system is

see you just keep pivoting

pivot pivot pity bro

you're saying that the uk is more

powerful in the u.s it makes no sense

you haven't demonstrated that

i'm saying what

you just you said that the uk was more

powerful in the united states

and that's ridiculous no that's not what

i said i said the british exactly what

you said you want to roll back the vod

you said that the the uk is somehow

controlling america and the cia and the

banks and they're all it's all

that sounds like alex jones shit that

you can't prove right okay i asked you

simple questions

like i don't know i'm gonna i'm gonna

pin you down here now i'm gonna pin you

down here because you're making up a

whole conspiracy but you haven't

provided a single piece of evidence i've

been trying to walk you through it but

you decided to get down this rabbit hole

of the cfa frank no you went down the

rabbit hole i made it very clear that a

colonial currency isn't the same thing

as the usd acting and colonial waste but

you don't know what a barrier you don't

believe

a child you don't know what the global

this is my son listen my son hold on you

don't you don't know what a woman how

are you gonna say that the cpac is the

same thing as the usd

is that the hillary i didn't say it was

the same thing i just i can refute you

on that easily i'm rejecting the view

that it's uh more colonial than the usd

yeah anyway

anyway you're right we're derailing so

you claimed it was a conspiracy theory

that um yeah ridiculous conspiracy

theory yeah okay but you admitted that

the oss was created by the british

yeah i don't care

okay you don't care about that

so as far as the american empire is

concerned

um what is where its origins materially

after world war ii how does that happen

oh i believe that you have the marshall

plan which uh funded these uh countries

and built them up to incentivize them

against joining the soviet going with

the soviets yeah i think they realized

they'd be a bigger threat than germany

okay

what what are the origins of how all

that happened

well they wanted to um i just explained

it what they were going to do

no you didn't

didn't know yeah the oranges on what

they wanted to do how they wanted the

architects on the marshall plan

what architects

just explain it so who created the

marshall plan

stop asking questions and just explain

it i don't know

you're you're the one who wants to

debate me right

yeah but you're claiming that the

imperialism doesn't that the uk is

controlling conspiracy theory you don't

have any evidence for it so that's what

i'm saying i'm saying there was an

international capitalist system which

the which survived

because the uk latched on to america's

um

i wouldn't say prosperity but america's

surpluses after world war ii in order to

recreate the world in a way that will

sustain and expand

british central uh financial capital

so why does that matter because that

doesn't prove that their colony the us

is still a colony of the uk

i didn't say that's basically what

you're saying

i'm saying that the empire the american

empire is in excess of the american

republic

and that's a an argument without a

difference it's like saying that's the

chinese empire i have to explain it to

you like this the british no you're

saying that the communist party of china

is the same thing as like the queen

dynasty oh it's a product of the queen

dynasty but that's the argument without

a difference that doesn't mean the queen

dynasty is controlling time i don't know

what you're in the same way that i don't

know just because just because they were

part of the british at first does that

mean that there's somehow now the

british everything america does is now

britain hey when you speak when you

speak do you feel like smart you just

like shitting out words for no reason

yeah i do feel something because you

just cut me off you didn't even know

what i was gonna say oh you're gonna cry

about it you're gonna cry hang up then

you're gonna cry about it make your

argument

are you mentally retarded

go ahead

argue listen go ahead my son

i'll let you take i'll give you 30

seconds so whatever so what i actually

said yeah so what i actually said wasn't

that

just because it succeeded the british

emp a little boy i don't want to mute

you if you don't shut the fuck up that

it seceded the british empire what i

what i actually had said

was that it wasn't because the qing

dynasty it was just the successor what i

said was that we have an american

republic the british empire was the

largest empire in the world before

uh before and after world war one

you know and in 1929 capitals undergoes

a global crisis the british elites have

to have world war ii to bail themselves

out of it and then after that

the reason america becomes an empire is

because we inherit that precise british

empire and global capitalist system

so that's not coming from the american

republic

it is the inheritance of that british

empire which is actually formed in

excess of the institutions of our

republic through the kind of a

combination of the into the federal

agencies the cia the departments the

institute these shadows civil society of

the ngos and the institutions of the

rock of colors and the rest and these

people are all doing this in excess of

our constitution in excess of the bounds

of our republic and the founding of the

united states as an inheritance of the

british empire now that is what i said

you're claiming that you know

give me joy to the institution point to

an institution in which the uk controls

that controls america

it's not a one-sided control as much as

that these institutions are

these institutions are formed

by the british

or with british financial

capital so apply to an institution and

and it's americans in these institutions

but the structure comes from the british

empires what i'm trying to say

okay but point to the institution that

the uk is controlling america

okay

again i'm not saying the uk is

directly controlling america i'm saying

these institutions are the inheritance

of the british empire

and why does that matter

it matters because

they

reflect

the way in which our republic was

abandoned

and we have been colonized by this

structure that doesn't come from america

from the american republic so why didn't

america destroy it

they just submitted to it like

because america because because because

america it's a capitalist country right

and global finance capital global

capital in general is still centered in

the british empire and the city of

london which is having a big role in

american industrialization as well

through investments

so the reliance on america to these

banks anglo-saxon financial institutions

was there for a long time

right but the usd is much more powerful

than the pound

much more powerful

the pound was the currency of the

british empire the british empire

collapsed and was replaced by the

american one and the usd serves the same

role for the british financial

capitalists

as the um pounded

okay you are not just saying that this

is invisible

i'm spending way too much time just

educating you on shit that if you're

going to come here with some fucking

audacity and insult me yeah you guys

already know no evidence pussy no

evidence pussy show me an institution

right now go ahead

i literally just went to any institution

you didn't name one they just name one

world bank the world bank the imf the

cia that's controlled by the uk that's

all controlled by the uk the british are

controversial i explicitly said it's not

controlled by the uk you're just

pivoting back then you're just lying how

many how many times did i say hey hey

kid kid shut the fuck up how many times

did i say it wasn't controlled by the uk

you literally said oh the uk is

controlling the american empire guys

chat chat give me the clip give me the

clip of me saying it's not controlled by

the uk it's the structure that is being

that is the inheritance of the british

empire

and these are british financial

capitalists we're not talking about the

uk's government controlling all this

shit openly we're talking about

something much more complicated give me

the clip of me saying that and kid if i

said that you paypal me 500

but let's do it okay guys give me the

clip give me the clip of me saying it's

the structure they're not actually

controlling in this god in this bod too

yeah in this vod guys give me that clip

just give me 500 guys give me the

fucking clip give me the clip and post

it in my chat

it should be really easy and i'm gonna

you're gonna watch my stream i'm gonna

show it on stream of me saying it okay

give me the clip guys okay all right so

you're done sorting out well let's get

back to the top no no we're just asking

we're getting names

we're getting the clip from three

minutes

we're getting the clip from three

minutes ago

okay

guys post it in the discord as fast as

you can okay it should not be hard make

a youtube clip all you have to do is

make a youtube clip you have to snip it

okay

so just get that as fast as you can

put it in general or put it in mod chat

put it in whatever and i'm getting 500

and if you don't give me 500.

if you don't give me 500 which you just

agreed to you've conceded this whole

fucking thing yeah and here's the funny

thing i know you couldn't afford a

passport man i know hinkle's surpassing

you like crazy doesn't that kind of hurt

so

guys

post the fucking clip so we can get this

over with and get doesn't it hurt that

hinge was surpassing you so far after he

had less subs than you

why the fuck would that hurt me

it's completely outpatient there is no

point

there has never been a point there has

never been a point in the history of

infrared where jackson had less subs

than us

include surpassed you but you're his son

now he was always his channel was okay

was there ever a time where jackson's

youtube channel was uh smaller than ours

yeah it used to be smaller can you name

me the time now he's completely

surprised

is that something else completely

submitted

is that something else you want to bet

on

do you get five thousand views of stream

you don't even get one thousand guys get

to get the clip he's completely he's

completely outpaced you all right has

jackson ever gotten less views than me

yo jackson just met joe rogan bro what

the fuck are you doing you're sweating

in a basement right now he just met joe

rogan

you lost your man what though you

literally lost your manhood he's met joe

rogan

guys just post the clip so we can prove

the point okay post the clip in the

discord

i think we'll completely surpass you bro

you're literally his son now

when when was i

when was i a bigger streamer than

jackson ever

you had more view you used to get more

concurrent viewers no i never got more

concurrent viewers than jacksonville

once okay do you want would you be about

a year ago just a year ago absolutely

just a year ago

one year ago

he had more views than me he's been

around way longer than me that's what

you don't understand

okay here's the clip thank you so much

sad rat all right this is our 500

okay

so let's listen to that the reason by

the way i'll i'll give you my paypal and

you can give me the the um

500 but i'll show it to you okay only if

the clip says

tune into the stream

right now

and here's the clip

go ahead

the reason america becomes an empire is

because we inherit that precise british

empire and global capital system

so that's not coming from the american

republic

it is the inheritance of that british

empire which is actually formed in

excess of the institutions of our

republic through the kind of a

combination of the ins

and outs the institutions departments

the institutions

you inherited the institution no this is

not even the right clip

guys guys shut the fuck

up for a second

shut the fuck up shut your fucking mouth

okay

i'm muted okay i'm gonna get the right

clip

um

i'm gonna do it myself i have a lousy

worthless fucking community that can't

do this basic shit just go fucking five

minutes past in the vod and get this

fucking clip of me explicitly saying

it's not control

but yeah i'll just do it myself i'll

just fucking go ahead and do it myself

thanks guys you you like wasting time

just waste fucking time

the reason america becomes an outsider

fucking lazy community like it's it's

nothing at all i'm literally in the

middle of the stream it'd be so fucking

easy to do this shit did uh did any of

france's colonies have referendums

all from the united states just

explained it what they were gonna do

no you didn't

say prosperity 30 seconds so

what i actually said yeah so what i

actually said wasn't that

just because it succeeded the british

emp a little boy i mean that's just what

can you

give me to the institution point to an

institution in which the uk controls

that controls america

it's not a one-sided control as much as

that these in there you go institutions

are

these institutions are formed

by the british

or with british financial hey that was

the one and i said it multiple times by

the way

that will call you fucking little shit

now give me my fucking 500 fucking

dollars

you just go it was not five minutes ago

into the british empire now that is what

i said you're claiming that

give me joy to the institution point to

an institution

control that control you just read the

clip it says the institution it's not a

one-sided controller you said it's not

control

it means

structurally i emphasized the structure

let's go even earlier where i emphasize

the structure

let's go even earlier to me you just

submitted to me like a little bit you

just said okay you are going to give me

f i'm going to we're going to do the

right structure as well and if i swear

to god if you don't give me 500 we're

finding your twitter and we're bullying

you for life kid for life okay

where i said the structure because my

lazy lousy fucking audience can't

fucking do this i'll search for it

myself

the united states uh doesn't even do it

in the same way that france does already

what's what's different what's different

but you're the one who wants to debate

me right

yeah but you're claiming that the

imperialism doesn't that the uk is

controlling conspiracy theory you don't

have any evidence for it so that's what

i'm saying i'm saying there was an

international capitalist system which

the which survived

because the uk latched on to america's

um

i wouldn't say prosperity but america's

surpluses after world war ii in order to

recreate the world in a way that will

sustain and expand

british central uh financial capital

so why does that matter because that

doesn't prove that their colony the u.s

is still a colony of the uk

i didn't say that that's basically what

you're saying no i get the part where i

talk about structure when i say

structurally the key word is

structurally just if

just get that fucking part i don't know

why it's so fucking hard

oh yeah ukraine

no does america formally have colonies

yeah you

no but they vote to be a part of america

so it sounds like they asked if they

wanted to leave the united states

yeah i'm on that point that's what i'm

saying

how does your point demonstrate that on

the dollar and the cia

yeah but you're claiming that

central uh financial capital

okay

again i'm not saying the uk is

directly controlling america i'm saying

these institutions are the inheritance

of the british empire

and why does that matter

it matters because

they

reflect

the way in which our republic was

abandoned

and we have been colonized by this are

you listening to this you little shit

bitch kid are you listening to this

sure that doesn't come from america from

the american republic so why didn't

america destroy it

they just submitted to it like

because america because because because

america it's a capitalist country right

and global finance capital global

capital in general is still centered in

the british empire and the city of

london which is having a big role in

american industrialization as well

through investments

so the reliance on america to these

banks anglo-saxon financial institutions

was there for a long time

right but the usd is much more powerful

than the pound

much more powerful

where in the fucking the usd serves this

i said the word structurally just

somebody give me that part at this point

i'll send you ten dollars if you can

find the part where i said structurally

i had no sleep last night

so just give me that fucking part and

i'll give you ten dollars

if you can just fucking do that i will

send you ten dollars

if you can get the part

where i said structurally

dude

i'm saying that the empire the american

empire is in excess of the american

republic right the british empire i have

to explain to you like this the british

empire no you're saying that the

communist party of china is the same

dynasty is controlling time i don't know

what you're saying when you speak do you

feel like

public

is the inheritance of that british

empire which is actually formed in

excess of the institutions of our

republic through the kind of

a combination of the into the federal

agencies the cia the departments the

institutions i will give you 10 when you

can give me the clip where it says

structurally just find where i said

structurally the key word is

structurally okay

shadows civil society of the ngos and

the institutions of the rock of colors

and the rest and these people are all

doing this in excess of our constitution

in excess of the bounds of our republic

and the founding of the united states as

an inheritance of the british empire now

that is what i said you're claiming that

give me to the institution point to an

institution in which the uk controls

that controls america

it's not a one-sided control as much as

that these institutions are

these institutions are formed

by the british

or with british financial capital so

apply to an institution and and and it's

americans in these institut

i don't know why this is so hard man i i

don't know

i don't know why this is so fucking hard

this is it finally they got it

all right kid listen it's not a

one-sided control as much as that these

institutions are

these institutions are formed

by the british

or with british

so apply to financial capital

and and it's americans in these

institutions but the structure comes

from the british empires there's there

it is there it is there it is there it

is it's americans in the institution

but the structure comes from the british

empire so kid

pay up

pay me my fucking fifty dollars

hundred fifty dollars give me my money

right now give me my money right now it

said institutions structurally you just

proved my whole argument do i have to

get you the clip of the terms and

conditions of the fifty dollars now you

little shit you just said the

institutions are controlled by the

british give me my money right now no i

didn't i said the united states i said

they're not controlled i said they're

americans in the institutions literally

no i didn't i said there were americans

in the institutions

how dare you lie to me you literally

said that structures are controlled by

the british that's exactly what i was

saying you have to point to the

institutions

if you give me a clip where i say the

structures are controlled by them

where you said institutions you said

institutions okay why is saying the word

institution mean i'm saying the british

directly control it

if you control the institutions of

america you do control america point

blank i never said they controlled the

fucking institutions directly i said

it's americans

i said the structure i said the

structure no

you fucking yes i said destruction

you literally said to me the

institutions were controlled by the

british and now you're trying to

backtrack when did i say really

why did you drop it from 550 because you

knew i was right define control what are

you in my control define control what do

you mean by that

you said the institutions are controlled

by the british empires what you said

okay give me a um direct quote give me a

direct clip i played the clip just like

five minutes ago okay let's let's listen

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it's not a one-sided control as much

what did i just say right now

you said it's not a one-sided control

okay continuing is that these

institutions are

these institutions

these institutions are formed

by the british by the british or with

british financial capital with british

financial capital so far to an

institution and and it's americans in

these institutions but the structure

comes from the british empires what did

i just say the structure you said the

structure of the institution is coming

from the british empire

yeah what does that mean

you just admitted that the structures

are controlled by the british when did i

say control i said the structures

that the structures come from the

british empire so what does that mean

it means it's the structure is the

inheritance of the british empire that's

what it means

doesn't mean the uk controls america

yeah but if they form those structures

that's their that that's their creation

that's their creation those institutions

are their creation okay

and

so you just prove my argument so where's

my fucking money what argument did i

prove if it's their creation that

doesn't mean

they're in direct control

and also five minutes ago just pull up

that clip five minutes ago on this vod

you played a clip that talked about the

institutions and how the british are

talking about a structural influence not

a direct conspiracy of control we were

never talking about exactly

a structural do you know what a

structural influence means

it means it's structured in such a way

so as to give hegemony

to the inheritance of the british empire

structurally by itself controlling it

so they control it no it's not you

stupid fuck oh my god

okay what does structural racism mean

when the system is in place that

disproportionately affects uh black

people okay is that because there's a

conspiracy of control or is there a

structure

it's both

okay where's the conspiracy they also

have a conspiracy to control all right

what does a structure mean what is a

structure

a structure is like a system

it's a system

a structure is the same as the system

yeah the structure

are you sure about that's the foundation

are you sure are you sure about that

now you're playing semantics you're just

playing semantics at this point because

you're coping because that you didn't

give me the 50. so where's my 50.

i literally said i'll give you my iphone

right now hello guys

don't make me get the turning my paypal

don't give me don't make me get the clip

where i say if i say structure instead

of control and i deny the control

i'm sending my paypal right now all

right what's your tweet what's your

twitter so we can um remind you of this

for the rest of your life what's your

twitter

let me send you my paypal what's your

twitter

what's your twitter kid

what's your twitter you little bitch

nothing okay little bitch

are you saying the uk controls america

what do you mean by the uk we are

talking about a shadow network of

financial institutions and capitalists

we're not talking about people pressing

buttons

and like whispering in the ear we're not

talking about that that's so that's

fucking stupid

dumbass fucking

ways of my fucking time holy fucking

shit

he's just like 15 years old no he said

they said they're 19. they insisted that

they were 19.

so yeah

i want to come to a conclusion about

this okay i want to come to a conclusion

about this okay the conclusion is that

america

is not that america hasn't committed

crimes the conclusion isn't that america

is guiltless and americans are guiltless

no they americans are incriminated

i'm not blaming the british for the

evils of america

i am simply insisting on the fact

that the republic as it found it as it

was founded

was not enough

was not latent

with the structures with the

institutions or even with the classes

that could propel america into the

unipolar empire that it became after

world war ii that in addition to our

republic there had to be this illegal

layer on top which was the inheritance

of the british empire

that is the extent of what i'm trying to

say

i'm just saying

that the american empire

cannot possibly have its origins in the

american constitution or in the american

republic

or even in the

the um indigenous

national american economy

you have to have the decisive

addition of the inheritance of the

networks of the british empire both

financial intelligence and military

the city of london to skirt those

financial regulations that are enacted

in the new deal and yada yada yada that

is all i'm saying i'm not saying america

has no blame i'm just fucking saying

that doesn't come from 1776.

i'm just saying that comes against our

own sovereignty as american citizens

because this is the almost

single-handedly this is the source of

the circumvention of our

constitutionally protected civil

liberties this shadow empire that

doesn't come from our constitution and

is in violation of our constitution and

is in excess over our republic

and our the form of our sovereignty as a

people okay

that's all i'm fucking saying

i am saying nothing more so if dumbfucks

on twitter want to

speak bullshit

flip this segment if you don't know this

guys maybe you didn't know this guys

maybe this is why you guys are being

lazy or whatever

okay you can clip shit right here just

click the vod and there's a clip button

you don't have to download the vod and

divide it you can just clip it that way

okay

just for future reference

okay

and you know yeah i understand

technically

why are you yelling at us that we can't

you know to clip to clip this you know

you're not paying us

and yeah that's true technically but

it's like

is that so much to ask i don't know is

it so much

task

to just clip something so we can just

get the show on the road you guys just

you just want to waste time you know

it's like i don't know what are you

doing what are you just sitting on your

computer you know

just clip it

i think it's laziness i don't know i

mean yeah technically you know you don't

have to

and i'm not entitled to it but it's like

isn't it cool when the community works

together to get shit done i don't

fucking know like in minecraft you guys

just like build fucking palaces and

spent 85 hours doing that shit but i

don't fucking know it's like

i don't know it's it's just uh

maybe uh maybe all the the maybe the

real gorilla army is uh

with fireworks or some shit i don't

fucking know

thank you sid alright appreciate you man

or soapbox thank you man

kid who abandoned islam to impress his

white friends

it probably is that fucking dumb asshole

thank you so much right this kid is

gaslighting you he asked you to prove

you said structure you gave him the clip

where you said exactly that kid probably

no old enough for bank account so here's

fifty dollars for you thank you

purge to soil chatters thank you so much

man yeah mods purge everyone who's

disloyal

urge everyone was disloyal

tony smith i'm changing my kids diaper

haws okay tony you have an excuse i'm

just saying like you're not one person

in chats who can just get a fucking clip

so i spent a lot of time doing that shit

you know

maybe i'm just grumpy because i didn't

get any sleep

maybe that's what it is you know i

really didn't i'm on 48 hours of sleep

so

maybe that's the reason

but um

hold the clip you know what mods mods do

me a favor

so everybody in um

mods i want you to go through general

chat and discord

and give hero to everyone who got the

clip

everyone who actually clipped it give

them hero because that's outstanding

behavior apparently i want to reward it

so everybody who did get a clip even if

it wasn't the right one

give them hero of infrared

you know

because people so yeah if you're

listening to this mods go through

general chat everybody who got a clip

uh give them hero that's enough to get

here

so all those people should get hero of

infrared because

while most people were being lazy and

shit y'all came through i appreciate

that okay

so

anyway guys um

i'm gonna

retire

to bed

all right guys

see you

tomorrow

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