Haz vs Ellen | InfraredShow Debate

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so what is this about what is this obese

[ __ ] guy

this is what he looks like you've been

protecting me why have you been avoiding

me

guys let me show you what it looks like

hold on

this is what he looks like this is so

guys if you don't know um this is the

guy the picture yeah

shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up

i'm gonna mute him focus unlike you i

muted him so guys if you don't know this

uh this is the guy a few weeks ago who

destiny was retweeting to like you're

saying oh haas is such a [ __ ] hus is

not going to meet up he's going to run

away from another fight whatever right

so this is the guy that like kept

[ __ ] messaging me on twitter and kept

posting pictures oh i'm coming how's him

coming i knew he wasn't because the time

didn't even [ __ ] match up

uh that he was supposed he was like i'll

be there in four hours and literally

like 20 minutes later he was like i'm an

hour away and then literally five

minutes later he was like posting

pictures of him there

so

but the reason i did it is because like

everyone all of dgg all these people

like oh you're such a [ __ ] [ __ ]

you're not gonna show up i was like you

know what

i'm gonna go i'm gonna go there just to

prove it right so i went there and

literally no one was there

and this guy then said that i called the

police on him um

and then destiny then said that this

guy's my sock puppet and i like i put

him up to the whole thing and now what

they're trying to say is that uh i paid

him not to show up so let me show you uh

what this guy looks like let me show you

because we didn't actually get to see

what he looks like

uh i didn't even know what he like i saw

his profile picture but like i didn't

know it was this [ __ ] bad so actually

let me show this to you um

because this is absolutely like uh yeah

this is what he looks like guys this is

him

so you guys can get a good look

at what we're dealing with

so that's the guy

okay let's unbox well uh before you got

here yeah one was saying that he paid

you

fifty dollars through venmo too he paid

me he paid me

oh i'm sorry yeah the other way around

that you paid him fifty dollars to not

show up

that he drove there you didn't you

didn't come

and then you paid him fifty dollars to

not come

that's what he's alleging

uh

do i have the venmo

okay show us the venmo

it's in the vc chat right now pull it up

no no pull it up on your phone not on

the vc chat

pull it up on my phone yeah okay

and i'll actually pull up venmo on my

phone

oh okay you used a different account

it's at hot i know your usual account is

at haas infra this one was at or no at

in for haas this one was at infrared

my venmo is literally my personal name

it has nothing to do with my twitch

account oh yeah you couldn't create a

new account that quickly i'm not [ __ ]

stupid okay so that's why you're hiding

from me all right you know i'll go one

one right all right listen listen if if

okay

if uh if i did pay you then you should

be able to like show us

and not screenshots because those can be

edited but like pull up discord or

twitter logs or text messages of me

telling you hey if i give you twenty

dollars will you go away

yeah the show remember the night of uh i

messaged you to call me and that's the

conversation we had

and that's my phone number

no that's my phone number i gave to you

and you called me so you you know what

my number is then

no because i use a text free and then i

deleted it so what what what number did

i use to text you and tell you that what

you think i [ __ ] memorized the number

how about this send me 50

on venmo to prove it's me destroy this

line that account doesn't even [ __ ]

exist anymore because you made it and

then deleted it ellen this sounds super

sus yeah

giving you money though to

for you to not show up like he can just

tell you to not show up if he wanted you

to not show up why would he well then he

would know i would keep showing up he

would know i would show up i don't know

no and that's why he's not gonna he's

not gonna show up when i come to uh

detroit on friday

uh

so um

are you gonna show up on detroit and

friday or not

uh absolutely not no you had your chest

wow

no you're not gonna do it

absolutely not no you're too afraid

you know what's actually uh britney and

guys you're afraid so justin and

brittany you know what's hilarious is

that so i i kept saying i was so angry

at this i kept saying i was like okay if

i do this i'm done and like i don't want

to hear [ __ ] from anyone ever again

and like what will they say if i go

right so i win

and now the narrative from that whole

community is basically like oh my god

haaz is such a clown for showing up why

would anyone show up to that

yeah it's like

damned if you do damned if you don't

exactly if you should if you're such a

big man if you're a big man then just

show up friday

but he did show up i did so yeah he paid

me not to show up and then now i'm

coming back friday i'm going to post

videos of me being there and you're not

going to show up run doesn't this wait

guys doesn't this guy post literally

every tweet i make he's there

yeah holy [ __ ] he's still at it

okay you [ __ ] little [ __ ] this guy's

still at it

all right let's go then let's go there

come on big man

this is you you're the guy who's always

talking [ __ ] on twitter this is actually

what you look like

i'm gonna hold you by your bald spot

literally if if i if i say anything more

i'll get banned from twitch but holy

[ __ ] he gives me big chris chan vibes

what about you guys

he gives me big big christian vibes

major christians is that why you're not

going to show up for our day

you're not going to show up does he

still have me muted i'm absolutely not

going to show up no

wow

[ __ ] coward beta cuck has

but you had your chance

why would i give you you're getting a

new chance a real man yeah and then and

then and then if if you pull some

[ __ ] again you're just gonna keep

doing this forever right

no i'm gonna show up and i'm gonna i

i'll confront you and then after that

i'm gonna i'm gonna just keep

confronting these dumbass twitch

streamers that uh build

shut up you bald little [ __ ]

okay let's can i see your hairline

actually because you have a really weird

hairline

yeah

what you have a big ass forehead dude

i'd rather be bald than have that big

ass forehead i'm going to be honest

okay aka four foot seven so would you

describe yourself as an obese person

i would describe myself as the person

that's going to see you friday except

you're not going to show up because

you're a beta cuck soy boy pmc daddy's

money yeah yeah you might you might

never work you [ __ ] in their life you

might be able to see me but i don't see

your beard connecting anytime soon so

how are we gonna i'm gonna do beer

connect yeah but this person with the

subpar everything is still gonna be able

to trounce you if you ever do anything

in person i'm gonna be in detroit friday

and you're not gonna show up because

you're

uh soy boy beta why did why didn't you

show up last time

because you paid me to not show up and i

wanted to take it yeah but you know what

okay hold on me and you both that's not

no that's not true so why didn't you

really show up last time

you paid me 50 bucks i have why do we

have dms of you telling someone that

you're not actually going to show up

those are fake dms really okay so if the

person can provide the live recording of

those dms are you still going to call

them fake

yeah really so how would they fake a

live recording of those dms i don't know

but they're going to [ __ ] have the

dm's are fake but the venmo is not yeah

you know that because he's not going to

show up friday you're right

if he was all fake if it was all fake he

would have no problem just coming to do

it again so

you've launched it are you hiding haze

you've launched you've launched a career

you've launched

you've launched a career twitch

streaming how many views do you get out

i

i don't call this a career really well

you're trying to kick start one clearly

how's it been working out for you

uh are you talking about i think you got

a little excited here's what i think

happened i think you got a little

excited and i think i know yeah all

right listen bum hey hey hey hey hey

listen you're a [ __ ] bum first of all

and you got a little excited that you're

going to be able to start making teddy's

money a little weird you started uh you

started getting

you started getting a little excited

you started getting excited that you

might be able to what have you done

you're so like working class and

everything what did you do don't worry

about it you started uh

because you haven't because your daddy's

paid for everything why are you i can

literally hear the estrogenic tone

coming out of your voice you started

uh i even forgot what i was going to say

what now what are you asking i forgot i

was going to say [ __ ] hiding has over

here

what was i going to say guys did you

guys remember what i was going to say

you're going to be a little [ __ ] and

not show up friday because you know you

can't take a real

man oh yeah yeah yeah so you're a bum

right

and now you think you're gonna make a

living uh being able to stream and stuff

because destiny like temporarily gave

you like some

attention

listen the entire significance of your

whole life

your whole 15 minutes of fame was to be

used as a troll against me

ellen really quick though imagine like

okay imagine you're on like a jury right

and you're trying to figure out like

what's true what's not true

and what the person the the suspect

right they're like

well you know

yeah he called me but it was on a text

app and i i deleted the app see if that

was the only evidence and i wasn't able

to show if i was ellen did i call the

police on you

i had to come up with something after

you [ __ ] wait so you have a record of

lying that means you're no longer

reliable okay but i'm not lying about

friday hold on ellen you literally have

a track record of lying you just

admitted to lying about me calling the

police on you yeah because you're too

dumb to come up with something why would

you give me this ammunition i literally

have you live on streaming a lot you

know a lot of people believed it come on

ellen

ellen did you know a lot of people

actually believe that all the people who

believe i believe yeah and now no one

does that and now literally no one does

because you just confirmed it was alive

for free howard

you can't stand in front of a real man

i'm gonna be in your city all friday and

you're not gonna do [ __ ]

okay what if i told you i don't even

live in detroit

i don't well you're clearly close enough

to [ __ ] drive to lansing so you can

drive to detroit i live way closer to

lansing actually to be honest okay i'll

go to lansing i don't give a [ __ ]

um i mean you can go to lansing

okay then you're not going to show up

no i'm probably not a little [ __ ]

yeah i don't know well i i did to be but

here's the thing ellen

i gave you a chance to prove yourself

and i said

i'm not going to do it again because i'm

a little [ __ ]

how about this if you pay me 200 i'll

show up

all right bet uh i have to hand it to

you in person though no you're gonna

send it to me beforehand

no you're gonna if you if you come to

lansing next friday and you pay me two

hundred dollars

through paypal i'll show up

two hundred dollars in cash hand it to

you the fact that you want it on paypal

means you're you're gonna take the money

no i'm not gonna take it

hiding has

your ancestors spit on your image they

hate you

so ellen uh

do you consider yourself a tough guy

i'm tougher than you how many fights

have you been in

uh i don't know i've been bouncing in

clubs for like the last couple of years

a lot

you've been in a lot of fights

i'm about i've been a bouncer at bars

yeah are you like the obese backup

bouncer they have when the the other one

isn't showing up

no there's fatter people than me

yeah so are you like uh so what about

you is significant

um

in terms of what i'm not by the way i

would never down you're a bouncer

because i do think you bounce a lot

especially when you walk

but

yeah

yeah of course yeah i'm hiding from you

because you're you're hiding yeah

because you're you're so scary dude

anyway i'm way scarier than

you so

who do you plan on challenging who do

you plan on challenging after me

uh jackson hinkle would be fun

yeah but he would never end you realize

he would never entertain this dumb [ __ ]

because he's too busy sucking the dick

of like assad and getting paid by

[ __ ] oh actually you know what you

don't even be better since you're too

much of a little [ __ ] [ __ ] to show

up in person why don't we actually

debate

i'm showing why don't we no you had your

chance and you [ __ ] it up so why don't

we actually hide why don't we actually

debate about what it is that makes you

so [ __ ] butt hurt about me and

jackson

oh i just don't like what started with

my dad why did you get so mad yeah

that's uh the super macho posturing the

the [ __ ] atrocity of denial okay

let's go let's go there let's go to the

atrocity denial so what atrocities have

i denied

uh the chemical attacks in syria would

be one okay so if vosh himself had to

[ __ ] out of that debate and rage quit

and he wasn't able to hold his own what

makes you think you're going to be able

to actually prove that jackson was in

the wrong because i'm more of a man than

you and ha

okay so go ahead and succeed where voss

failed uh on that debate

all right so uh let's go to that video

do you want to show up do you want to

show the video of the uh of the canister

hitting the roof

yeah but

the but jackson hinkle already addressed

like all the details from him so what

did jackson get wrong how did he address

the paws

he pointed out how the opcw inspectors

initial reports

okay but what why why was everybody at

the bottom of that apartment and why did

the gas uh

go

actually the burden the burden of proof

is not upon us to explain the details of

that footage because that's hold on

because that hold on that footage could

be explained in like dozens of other

ways it's not the burden of proof is not

on us to explain the footage

how do you explain the canister being so

here's the thing in the video here's the

thing it's not our job to explain that

it was the opcw's job to explain that

and

that's what they were debating about

they had a whole investigation to

explain precisely that and they failed

to actually incriminate assad

it doesn't seem like i'm hiding here it

seems like you are hiding i'm not hiding

[ __ ] you are hiding here you little

[ __ ]

no

come make me a [ __ ] friday i already

made you my [ __ ] for life your whole

face

your face is going to be attached to the

word [ __ ] until your dying

days

your face will be used as an example of

a [ __ ] for the rest of your life never

yeah

yeah for the rest of your life was the

canister white by the way in the video

was the canister white in the video why

what's the significance of that question

the the canister that just uh that uh

sprayed out the chlorine why was it

white and then yellow and then tarnished

later why why what what why again that

was the opcw's

job to investigate pcw i want to know

why you think that i actually don't know

why it was that's why it had to be

investigated have you ever cleaned your

[ __ ] keyboard before

uh what's the point no i'm asking have

you ever have you ever used the like

error thing to clean your keyboard

the error

the error like a little like hand of

error to clean your keyboard you know

what i'm talking about right like

aerosol

no i don't know what you're talking

about uh hold on i have one right here

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one of these

you ever used one of these before

okay

no what what happens when you release

air out of this

what what happens to the can

what do you feel i i think you should

the octp i think they should hire you

you're like you're doing this all but

you're you're a great investigator all

by yourself are you taking the opcw

shouldn't they should hire you do you

need some medication is the ocpw in the

room with you right now

well they're the ones who are tasked

with investigating the culprit of this

attack what what is happening to this

can as i release air what what is

happening to it right now tell me it's

the riddler from batman

this is important this is important tell

me why

uh what is happening what is happening

to my hand right now what sensation do

you think don't show this to the

international criminal courts because

this might incriminate assad assad's

over after they see this this is like

quite the investigation

what is happening to my hand right now

all right look at my stream what is in

my hand right now don't give a [ __ ] no

look at my hand right now what is in my

hand

no

tell me no no tell me what's in my hand

no

no tell me what's in my hand right now

i'm not looking at your strength yeah

well until you do we're not gonna really

get anywhere are we look in my hand

getting cold why is my hand my hand is

getting warm why is my hand getting warm

because it's when you're [ __ ] balls i

don't [ __ ] yeah exactly you can't

even explain this explain this what is

this

no so this can get cold when air is

coming out of it yeah process and

refrigeration yeah is why and the

process of condensation is why it's

gapped

you know the uh so it was frost so yeah

the air the air exactly there's air

inside this too can you explain that and

then inside the canister so that means

yeah the cat this is a canister of air

too

explain this you little [ __ ]

you got all you just [ __ ] owned you

okay so what did you actually

just i just proved it bam you proved

that the canister got cold

yes i proved yeah why did it get cold

though what was inside of it and

leaving that made it cold

it could literally be

your mom's [ __ ]

make hold on it looks like it was so

corroded less than a couple months later

hey you dumb screeching banshee [ __ ] you

are literally a stupid [ __ ] person

i'm a little screeching you are

literally a stupid person you are you

are genuine you are genuinely a stupid

[ __ ] person little [ __ ] if you

wanted hold on if if what you wanted to

do was make the argument that there's

somehow indisputable video evidence

that some kind of canister was released

with chlorine gas that still does not

prove assad was the culprit

so you think the rebels had the uh uh

the burden of proof isn't uh

okay let me explain to you how let me

explain to you how criminal law works in

every country okay how the [ __ ] are they

going to be doing that okay when you're

done screaming like a fat ass i'll

explain to you how

yeah i'll explain to you how criminal

i'll explain to you how criminal law

works in every single country

if you cannot establish someone as victi

guilty of a crime

that the burden of explaining the crime

is not on that person we may not know

who's guilty of the crime

but that

do you think that carolyn bryant's

brothers didn't kill emmett till then

because they weren't convicted of it

that's not what i said is it okay you

were just [ __ ] uh saying that oh it

needs to be the law no i'm saying that's

the standard procedure that's the pro

that's talking about the standard

procedure

so according to you so according to you

the person okay so according to you

according to you

unless unless we know hold on according

to you

unless we can prove exactly who um

was responsible for the placement of the

canister in the location that it was

controlled

okay unless we can explain who's

responsible for space who would control

the airspace unless we can explain

exactly

did you find the canister in the air did

you find it in air thank you hugs

appreciate the subs did you find the

canister in the airspace

the canister was dropped from the

airspace that was not proven by the

opcw's investigation okay so it just

like spontaneously spawned above it and

then just hit it's not assad's problem

to prove how it got there

it's absolutely not our problem to prove

how it got there uh yes it is no it's

not yes it is it's literally not

yeah it is because i'll explain it to

you

no no i will explain it to you yeah if

if you if you hold on controlled the

airspace he can he had access to the

helicopters he's done this kind of

attack before with the exact same kind

of harness and exact same kind of

canister in other areas his father did

it the same [ __ ] way and then you're

going to [ __ ] jerk him off say he

didn't do it trying to get off then why

was the opcw's investigation not able to

arrive at the same conclusion

so is the opcw compromised by assad

give a [ __ ]

so you're allowed to not give a [ __ ]

about the opcw but i have to give a [ __ ]

about how the canister got to where it

was hold on so you don't have to give a

[ __ ] about the opcw's investigation but

i somehow have to give a [ __ ] about how

the canister got to where it was right

no because i didn't even need the opcw

for any part of my argument so i never

yeah but they're actually experts in

being able to investigate this kind of

thing and you're not you're not an

expert and they are and actually even

your tenuous even even your

even your tenuous and contestable claims

about the facts surrounding the

placement of the canister and all the

details thereof

they literally came from the opcw's

reports so everything you even know

about this came from the opcw in the

first place

so that's literally so you're it's based

in a rationale you can't actually argue

yeah you have nothing

i have everything i know who was in

control of the airspace i know who uses

those helicopters i know that he has

done these kind of attacks before i know

that the canister hit the top caved in

the roof was white at the beginning as

it was no no you don't know all of those

things you you do not know all those

things whatsoever because chlorine is a

very reactive you do not know all of

those things whatsoever

just like you're going to get your ass

handed to your friday you don't you you

literally don't know all of those things

that's the [ __ ] problem i have we

have video evidence people can go look

up that video that video ev okay well it

wasn't enough for the opcw i don't give

a [ __ ]

the opcw literally had they literally

had to hide the initial reports

of the people on the ground who went to

go investigate what happened hey hey my

good [ __ ] the opcw doesn't like to

claim fault for things they just like to

say that it happened

that's not what they said

is that what they said no if their

investigation was about establishing the

culprit

it wasn't about establishing whether it

happened but who the culprit was

i've never let's see let's see does the

opcw

uh they would produce who the culprit of

the attack was yes

and they would also produce that they

would also produce that it was dropped

via a helicopter which they did not

produce hey let's see a new opcw team is

ready to find the culprits behind

chemical attacks in syria let's look at

this and uh the organism is inching

closer to try why do they have to have a

new team was the old team not capable of

doing it i don't give a [ __ ] i never

you're like wanting me to go by there

you're like why oh why are they okay why

why would you think they're biased

because i like that why would the opcw

be biased

i don't give a [ __ ] about the opc why

don't you even [ __ ] about your so-called

video evidence

so you're just arguing it's [ __ ]

shadow people how exactly am i losing

the argument

how am i losing the argument you're

losing the argument because you can't

even admit very basic things like uh

[ __ ] air coming out of a compressed

container maybe no oh why can't i on why

can't i admit that i've never denied

that

okay so then you concede that there was

frost on that canister that was in that

video that caved in the roof right

i don't know but i'll i can concede that

for the sake of argument okay so and

what would chlorine do

to a metal thing that it was released

out of it would make it degrade faster

right

okay just let me just assume all of

those things are true it doesn't matter

why okay why doesn't it matter because

all that the best that would prove and

that's without me investigating anything

is that chlorine was indeed released

from a canister

in the on in that area right on the

video

okay so

how was it dropped there

i don't know

helicopters that's but the opcw did not

establish that

okay so

do do you think that somebody just went

up there with the canister and it's

again like

to use your famous words i don't care i

don't care how it got there you have to

the opcw could not establish that it was

via helicopters from assad

so what was it dropped from then it had

to be dropped it's not our problem it's

not assad's problem and it's not our

problem

it was the only person that controlled

that airspace it did not even drop from

a helicopter the opcw couldn't even

establish it was dropped at all

they couldn't establish it was dropped

from anything

it wasn't

it [ __ ] caved in the roof

that also wasn't it through yes you can

see it it was not proven that the

canister hit through the roof no

there's like a million ways to explain

why there could have been a cavity in a

roof and why a canister could be below

that cavity yeah

video pulled up and i'm gonna make sure

yeah make sure he doesn't pull it up in

the uh the the discord because it's not

allowed

cool all right let's see where is trying

to fit what is even the title of that

video i watched it back on the original

debate

um

let's see syria

florine attack

okay let's actually

probably not on youtube

try [ __ ]

okay that's good that's actually a good

point yeah

okay opcw investigator testifies at the

u.n that no chemical

no chemical attack took place in dumas

syria that's what they testified give a

[ __ ] what the opcw says i am clear about

what my eyes saw in a video

we had serious misgivings that a

chemical attack occurred he added that

he compiled evidence through months of

research that provided further support

for the view that there had not been a

chemical attack that's what ian

henderson who is on the ground

uh said i i don't give a [ __ ] what they

say i am talking about just a specific

video

um you can't even establish what that

video even [ __ ] is

uh yeah i watched it eight months ago

sorry i'm not [ __ ] rain man and i

can't like remember the url from like

eight months ago sorry you got me there

wow so your brain is so [ __ ] okay mit

professor of science technology and

international security theodore posto

claims that the evidence is overwhelming

that the gas attacks were staged that's

what he claims and he also said those

are some good [ __ ] crisis actors yeah

you're [ __ ] dying on the ground yeah

no i'm using his words not mine that's

what he's saying

okay i don't give a [ __ ] i'm talking

about this one video that we all saw in

that one debate recently let's see where

the [ __ ] is this

all right where's the [ __ ] video

god damn it

hold on the results show that there is

no organophosphorous nerve agents or

their degradation products were detected

in the environmental samples or in the

plasma samples taken from alleged

casualties so actually it's even more

incriminating the team for the opcw is

saying that the results show that there

wasn't even any [ __ ] gas uh released

so what you were saying about the

canister being

frosty and having showing signs of

degradation from the release of gas was

actually [ __ ] according to the

findings of the opcw

don't care what the opcw said for one

i've seen okay if you don't care what

the team on the ground said why should i

give a [ __ ] about anything you're saying

i've seen the picture of the canister

three months later and it looked like it

was under the ocean for [ __ ] 200

years

the only thing that would do that is

chlorine

that's not true

what what other what other thing it

could be literally dozens of other

things you just said the only thing that

you said the only thing it could be is

chlorine i told you no it's not and now

you're asking me for the exact reason

why it looks like that

you don't even know any [ __ ] you have

zero logic you're [ __ ] dumbass you're

a literal dumbass you're a literal

dumbass from the point

i've said like what and you can't say

[ __ ]

you're literally a dumbass there's no

there's no ifs or what's your butts

about it you're a [ __ ] dumbass

something else could have made it i

don't care about i don't care about what

the opcw expert said i don't care i

don't care about the whistleblowers at

the oc opcw

i shut them everybody on my argument so

why would i give a [ __ ] what the [ __ ]

they say

why would you give a [ __ ] about what

they say

because they were the ones on the ground

investigating what you [ __ ] dumbass

they took they took samples from the

surrounding environment they took

samples from the plasma of the alleged

casualties and found nothing

why did the opcw not find any traces of

the gas in the surrounding environment

or in the plasma of the casualties

why not

here i'm pulling up answer the question

answer the question

i'm not going to speak for the opcw

because i'm not the [ __ ] opcw oh i

finally found the video

all right finally thank you dailymotion

all right dailymotion video right here

let's see if they show the canister

yep we have kids seizing

all right wait uh [ __ ] this isn't

[ __ ] me this isn't it

god damn it

never mind wrong video

video video video

you still there

yeah

all right making sure

you know your your crowd could help you

with the video too and i'll completely

obliterate my argument but they're not

going to help you find the video because

they know it makes you look wrong

okay

the video is not evidence of anything

the video is evidence that the canister

was white they haven't it's also uh

evidence that it went through the roof

so if it went no it's not that's not

actual how the [ __ ] else

do you think that the hulk set it up

there and just slammed it through the

rebar

there could have it could have been an

artillery strike that had already caused

a hole in the [ __ ] building yes

so yeah in a war zone there tends to be

holes through roofs of buildings it's

very common damage the canister

what and it didn't damage the canister

somehow well if the canister did if the

canister even released those nerve

agents in the first place they would

have been able to [ __ ] find

the actual degradation products in the

[ __ ] environmental samples or the

plasma taken from alleged casualties

when did they look for the samples like

how long after the attack

they visited the site in april 2018 and

when did the attack

happen um you tell me you're the expert

on it

i i'm trying to

the attack supposedly took place on the

7th of april 2018. so a week later right

they visited the site on the 21st of

april

so okay they had two weeks okay this is

me being curious i'm curious how long

chlorine evidence of chlorine stays

around and i know that is a highly

corrosive element so it wouldn't

surprise me if it is something that like

uh you know dissipates fairly correctly

oh but not not from the canister right

it wouldn't be detected in the blood

samples of the alleged casualties two

weeks later

i don't know that i'm not the doctor

well this guy is a [ __ ] doctor and he

is an expert in this mr the canister had

the chlorine in it for weeks as or years

and then released it from the inside out

it would have had the highest

concentration hold on so you're saying

this canister was completely corroded

which canister in particular are you

talking about the canister that went

through the rebound and what

photographic or video evidence of the

canisters degradation did you see

exactly because it wasn't from the video

because in the video it just got

immediately released so you must have

seen it weeks or even a year later or

something right so what canister

what evidence do you have that this

canister is the same one as in the

so-called video

no hold on

find the find the exact canister

you saw it in the video only

let's see let's let's go you said it had

looked like it had been under the ocean

hold on [ __ ] you said it looked like it

had been under the ocean oh here here i

got it here

so i'm going to pull this up right now

i'm gonna copy the url

uh from a video because

let's see where is it

all right

okay so i'm gonna pull this video up

right now

dot com

slash app let's let's hope this link is

so there's a photo of this gas canister

right here

uploads

and you're saying it looks like it had

been under the ocean and that only

chlorine could be responsible for that

one and you're saying there's frost

where's the [ __ ] frost by the way

it's in the it's in the initial video if

you no it's not because the initial

value is when it was initially released

yeah pull up the video then uh

and then it'll it'll completely either

make you right or may write if you want

to take those odds go for it

all right so i got this right here i'm

going to throw it in the chat

hey i don't want to derail i just wanted

to say what's up the haas and infrared

collected what's up homie hey what's up

man what's up bro take it easy i

appreciate you man

see you later you got it bro appreciate

you

all right so do you think uh the

corrosion i am i i sent you do you think

that's normal

which corrosion

i sent you from uh bellingcat

the cylinder corrosion full jpeg

and then it shows yeah we don't even

know if first of all

uh you are not an expert in uh the

corrosion of [ __ ] canisters so you

don't know i know even assuming that's

the same one even it's assuming that's

the same one

how do you know

uh you can

you can [ __ ] look at it look at it

yeah and that's the only one ever

produced of its kind okay let's just

assume this is the same one because i

don't know

i genuinely don't know no i genuinely

don't know okay no what you just said

was so [ __ ] stupid so do you think

that they deliberately aged a canister

and then brought it to over or something

like that knowing this attack was going

to happen so it's not even just like oh

they're trying to make it look worse

they like premeditated false flag

everything no i'm not saying they

deliberately aged the candidates they

could have used any canister that's

another canister you're saying it's

another canister i'm not actually this

is what you don't understand because

you're a [ __ ]

why are you sewing out why are you

sewing out yes you are

i'm not even i'm not saying anything

definitive about this canister i'm just

saying it's possible because you know

you can't prove [ __ ] no

you even if i couldn't prove anything

that doesn't make assad guilty

assad isn't guilty because something

isn't proven you dumb [ __ ] he's not

automatically guilty and then the burden

of us is to prove he's not guilty you

[ __ ] idiot

carolyn bryant's brothers didn't kill

emmett till if that's why no the details

surrounding that were entirely different

well you're you're saying because he

wasn't legally uh convicted i'm saying

because the investigators who were

tasked with scientifically determining

what happened there

leaked in a whistleblower report

i don't care about any of the other

drama or something like that i want you

to explain how a canister [ __ ] fell

okay so hold on this is why you're a

[ __ ] idiot can you can you mute this

guy for one second so i can explain

because he keeps [ __ ] interrupting me

every time i try to explain it and he's

so [ __ ] fat and stupid

no actually i give everyone a chance to

actually say something new

what an annoying fat idiot what an

annoying fat [ __ ] he literally won't

shut the [ __ ] up

he literally won't shut the [ __ ] up what

a literal fat [ __ ] won't shut the [ __ ]

up can you guys meet him for one second

just give me like 30 seconds to say this

give me give me 30 seconds okay

so when you ask the question of like how

it could have happened i can actually

give you a dozen scenarios in which it

could happen i can't prove that those

scenarios are true but they're just as

likely to be true if not more likely to

be true than a gas attack by assad and

what that basically [ __ ] means is

every time i [ __ ] do that you go oh

host you can't prove it so that means

you're wrong no you asked me if there's

another possibility for how it could

have gotten there of course there is

okay now can i prove that possibility no

but the burden of proof is not on me to

prove any of one of those possibilities

just to defend the fact hold on just to

defend the fact that it has not been

proven assad did it and that's how

[ __ ] evidence works not just in

criminal law but in science as well

you're too much of a stupid [ __ ] to

understand that so you keep interrupting

me there you go

okay can i talk now all right so you

can't accuse me of interrupting okay so

i you said that there's many different

ways that a canister would fall through

concrete and rebar

in a perfect way in order to disperse

the gas the canister did not have to

have fallen through the concrete and

rebar at all no it didn't have to but it

did you see it you don't we don't know

if it did or not at all

here i'm gonna pull let's see let's

hold on we don't know if the canister

was responsible for producing

that hole in the [ __ ]

um ceiling here we go here we go

i i have the picture right now okay

let's see if this addresses the point go

ahead and post the picture

okay i have i have to do the thing again

where i'm uh just typing the url because

it's on a youtube video

yo is this a debate like i don't want to

interrupt but no you can interrupt

the gas attack was a total fake and i

don't believe that you're even trying to

show this gas attack as being real i

don't care about assad or anything but

the gas attack was [ __ ] fake aaron

mate has a [ __ ] great mate is a

little fish

whatever dog whatever that's he i i

don't agree with his politics but he's

done the best russia collusion and the

best fake syrian work that i've seen out

of anybody so that's just me

and i'll just give people credit so

anyway i don't want to derail i'll give

my own sources i'll be back and um i'll

be listening go ahead i appreciate it

so additionally yeah some of my chats

pointing this out the which even i

forgot about the original report shows

the whole was even too small for the

canister and its harness to fit through

that's what the original report alleged

i'm just going to take a so that's

actually evidence

that it did not fall through the roof

there's actually evidence it did not

fall through the roof according to the

initial reports that the opcw refused to

publish because of the political

implications

i got your [ __ ] ass let's see i got the

we got this right here i'm waiting for

the smoking gun let's go

all right i'm putting the photo through

let's see where is it

where the [ __ ]

yep

okay

what does that prove

it's off obviously being dropped through

[ __ ] concrete oh so they actually

filmed it being dropped

no why is it white and then yellow later

why why why why the color change

hold on what does this prove this image

you just gave me what does that actually

prove

that is where the canister was deployed

that's where it was so this is the so

what is the pov here

that you uh that is somebody looking up

at the ceiling

and the canister is about to fall

through the ceiling

yes so how come in the second image the

canister is clearly above the ceiling

with a hole already in it

no that's

the other one is covering the hole do

you not understand that

no i don't understand you're saying

what's created you're saying this is

footage of the canister falling through

the ceiling

not falling through the ceiling almost

falling through the ceiling it went

through the concrete and had it's being

caught by the rebar

okay so you're saying that this is

evidence

so you're saying that this shows the

canister destroyed the concrete and it

got caught by the rebar

yes

you actually believe

that this is what that would look like

yeah

no it's not okay like try and say it

incredulously if you want but that is

what that would look like no it's not in

no [ __ ] possible terms

could a [ __ ] canister destroy all the

concrete like this

why would it it's in a place that's

getting shelled

because

this let me show you how stupid this

chat look at this

he's trying to say

he's trying to say that he's trying he's

trying to say let me let me get rid of

this he's trying to say [ __ ]

here it is he's trying to say

that

it just fell on the roof and got caught

by the rebar right here

so it actually didn't fall through the

roof now

that

no it perfectly fell into the rebar bro

hey i'm gonna go i gotta put my i gotta

put the little one in the bed bro i'll

be back i love this subject i uh also

it's like the fort dietrich where you

know the [ __ ] lab leak you know oh

bro we gotta be careful because you know

what twitches oh well twitch don't allow

that no more sorry bro yeah they have a

new light

yeah everything that they told us about

kovitz that's all correct exactly

everything they've told us

yeah i love vaccines too bro oh sorry

anyway i didn't know you i thought

youtube was the only one anyway i'll be

back yeah i'll see you later i'll grab

my evidence but yeah

um oh yeah so

you're trying to say now that

the canister never actually fell through

the roof

i'm saying

the picture of it falling a little bit

through the roof getting caught by the

rebar it displaced the concrete so it

never actually fell through the roof at

all

i would consider uh getting caught by

rebar underneath where the roof is

constituting was it didn't it actually

fall through and hit the ground below

the roof

no

are you sure about that

no

okay let's see

did it fall through

i'm asking

you i don't see a picture of it falling

through that's of it taken later so

obviously it was tape it was stayed in

that same spot

so they found that okay

on the rooftop

what so okay so the rebar caught the

canister but the canister absolutely

destroyed all the concrete including the

concrete below

uh probably the falling concrete below

maybe did a little bit of that too i

don't know

i'm not a structural expert i imagine uh

concrete is weaker than rebar

that's why rebar reinforces concrete we

don't use concrete to reinforce rebar

yeah but look at the scale of damage

it's like an exact hole

yeah with only yeah

because that's where the canister fell

and displaced the concrete

yeah that's absolutely not the case

so let's look at the douma attack

canister so in the video is the canister

on the ground

no it's not it's on the roof okay

so yeah we have that other yeah the

other picture i set through from

bellingcat

so so the canister just

conveniently fell right on this hole

right

i think the canister created the hole

yeah of course like that's exactly what

that would look like right so what does

this picture prove exactly tell me what

this picture proves it proves it was

dropped

how

because the hole is the same exact size

as the canister so it logically it would

make sense to say that no

according to the initial finding of the

opcw the hole was too small

for that too small for the entire thing

why is the hole on the left much smaller

than the one on the right

uh probably due to chlorine uh uh being

as uh what should be called degradation

as a decorative is that a word i don't

know no that that that would not explain

why that is why is the hole on the left

much smaller than the one on the right

uh because that's oh when it began and

then the other one is after chlorine

flowed through it for however long it

took to empty the canister

so you're saying chlorine melted the

concrete

uh it probably made it weak enough for

the other parts of it to fall more and

then it was also what other parts fell

more

so like you can kind of see that it's

not that great of a ceiling in the left

photo right so considering chlorine is

being dumped over a very highly reactive

chemical and you're still getting

shelled so shock waves are going

everywhere it's not completely out of

the uh it's not completely out of uh

debate you don't have to be out of your

mind to think that maybe those shock

waves made more of the concrete fall

thus the hole get a little bigger wait

okay so more shock waves were

responsible for the hole getting bigger

now

i think that that shock shock waves from

what

shelling

oh so so this building was already

subject to shelling beforehand

is that what you're admitting

the entire neighborhood was yeah okay so

it couldn't possibly be this hole

couldn't possibly have been produced

from a shelling it had to have been from

this

i think it was very improbable for a

shell to create a perfect canister size

hole this is not a perfect

canister-sized hole according to the

initial reports of the opcw team

according to the opcw team the hole was

too small to have been produced by the

canister community can inhale all the

copium they want but if you went to a

random person on the street and said

look at this picture do you wait if you

went up to a random person on the street

and you showed them bigfoot they would

believe it that doesn't [ __ ] mean

anything

i'm talking about people's eyes yeah i'm

talking about people's eyes too if you

show people the loch ness monster

they'll [ __ ] believe it what is that

supposed to prove oh that's the same as

yeah it is the [ __ ] saying what do

you mean if you show a random you

showing a random uneducated person this

out of context photo incriminating

someone that's the most stupid [ __ ]

thing i've ever heard i don't know

that's the most stupid [ __ ] i've ever

heard most people believe the ghost of

kiev

you think artillery made that small of a

hole do you have any idea how much

[ __ ] boom

it depends on the shell of artillery but

let me ask you a question what artillery

shells were being used

[Music]

it could have literally been anything

that made this whole we're going to look

up syrian artillery right now no we're

not because we are

so you're going to go through every type

of artillery that syria uses i'm looking

at their mortars they use pm37s

tp17 podnos and all these other things i

want to see what let's see they use 160

millimeter mortar 240 millimeter the

smallest millimeter mortar they use an

82 millimeter mortar so let's look at an

82 millimeter border

what a [ __ ] dumbass oh yeah so this

is a 82 millimeter mortar he he82 frag

all right okay this thing has let's see

um it has 420 grams of explosive filling

so four that is

four yeah four four hundred twenty four

twenty so that would create a way bigger

hole than that so let's look at 420

grams of tannerite

that is a another type of explosive

filling i'm sure you're familiar with

you're from keep going go ahead this is

really

riveting stuff

keep going

i got it it's very important that we get

to the bottom of this

is a legal thing that you can buy so it

will be weaker than anything

you get

here we're looking at tannerite

explosion

what is the what is the metric

conversion on this let's see

420 grams

two why does this guy look like dylan

burns from a parallel universe why do

they look like this

looks like me why do they look like this

okay so that's like a pound

so one pound of tannerite explosion

okay i found a pound and a half

so this is this is pretty close to what

the explosives would be

from a mortar shell

see let's

he's gonna shoot this let's see

okay

all right i got the video i'm gonna put

it in the vc chat it's at two minutes

and 24 seconds i want you to tell me

that that explosion would create that

this size hole

what

the video i put it is a pound and a half

of tannerite which is significantly

weaker than what would be in that mortar

what are you even saying at this point

dude what more you don't even know what

mortar was used or anything like that

you don't even know if it was artillery

yes i just looked up their smallest

mortar it's 82 millimeters okay

i pulled up their mortar rounds and they

have 420 grams of explosive filling 420

grams two pounds is about a little less

than a pound

so and then i use tannerite as a control

because it's weaker

and there are videos of people setting

it off

can you go ahead and prove to me how

this proves that no artillery shell

could have produced that hole

because the kind of artillery that would

have gone off would have made a way

bigger hole the explosion in this is

smaller you don't know that you

literally don't know that i just proved

it no you didn't prove it he guys he

leaked me a video of a of a hickok one

two seven that guy who just shoots guns

on youtube and he uses a grenade

launcher and he's like he's blowing up a

jar of [ __ ] jelly beans

on youtube and he's saying that's

evidence this is a pound and a half of

tannerite it's showing that the

explosion would be way bigger so the

idea that no it's not showing that do

you have any idea how do you know what

effect this has on a concrete roof

how do you know what effect that would

have on a concrete roof

uh way bigger than that tiny [ __ ]

hole

you do hold on you're literally just

showing like a [ __ ] bean bag being

blown up

what is being blown up in this video

tannerite a weaker explosive than what

the syrian military would use in their

artillery shells okay and you think that

would cause that hole in concrete

no i think that the hole that artillery

the syrian military would use guys let

me show you the video let me just show

you the video he he gave me right so

he's saying that this is proof it

couldn't he's saying this is proof that

it it could look look at this

he's saying that would have created a

bigger hole in a concrete roof

yes

absolutely what are you

have you blown look i i i know i'm what

are you talking about no it wouldn't

have have you blown [ __ ] up before like

you know concrete we're proud

midwesterners yeah i've blown up [ __ ]

before that would that would that would

how big of a hole in concrete would that

have caused

what you wanted like [ __ ] measurement

like what do you want like it wouldn't

even leave a dent

no that would [ __ ] destroy the roof

it would not destroy a concrete roof no

it wouldn't actually let's get one is

counter points on where's counterpoints

let's get let's get the vet in who's

probably blown up more [ __ ] than all of

us combined let's see uh brittany do you

think can you see if he's on

i don't know if he's on but i can

message him

yeah i'm gonna dm him

why are we damning him by the way uh

he's a veteran that's blown up a lot of

[ __ ] and uh i want his opinion on

whether or not the whole uh a artillery

shell from the syrian military would

create that small of a whole he's in the

discord too actually

how does it feel to get blown out haas

oh my gosh is that what you think is

going on right i think that's exactly

what's going on right now

i'm silly you're silly you yeah you also

seem to think a lot of different things

yeah i think uh i think you're going to

be a coward and you're not going to show

up even if i do pay value 200 which i

might do it just to make you look like a

[ __ ] that day i might do it

i know that you're used to men giving

you money instead of making your own

that's why your daddy's giving you all

your hold on how do how does any man

make money

uh

do you like not understand the concept

of like an entrepreneur okay what does

an entrepreneur do

they sell

things what does it mean to sell

something

uh it's exchanging you're not getting it

for no reason

okay and

if i'm getting it for no reason why

aren't you just getting money in the

same way i am

i don't

get money in the same way nobody i do

i'm providing a service hold on so

you're saying if you sat on your couch

and you did nothing you would get money

like i do

that is what you do okay well then do

the same thing i do and make the same

amount of money as me should be easy

okay i'm doing it right now i just made

200

you did yep when did you make 200

right now

because you right now

like ben wrote it to him yeah oh yeah oh

yeah obviously

so you just made two hundred dollars

i don't know what do you want to see my

cash apps and stuff like that

yeah um listen dude i'm pretty sure

you're like uh the definition of a

[ __ ] idiot right

like this is just the guy they use in

his as an example of like

like in the debate tier list you are

like the weakest [ __ ] opponent

they have you're literally the tutorial

boss

holy [ __ ] thank you

thank you mom bellow yeah without

referencing the literal initial

investigative reports that were meant to

determine the actions

how do you feel about jackson hinkle

trying

the video of the guy blowing up jelly

beans what do you what do you have to

say about jackson hinkle saying that the

people could have just opened a window

what

in the debate with vlad that wasn't his

argument at all what are you [ __ ]

talking about yes he did he did say that

don't try to gaslight he said that they

could have just opened the window and

there was a hole in the roof what do you

think no that's completely out of

context that's completely automatic i

know that's exactly what he said we can

pull it up right now

yeah pull it up go ahead all right

by the way would you want me to bring

jackson in here too

oh hell yeah dude i'll take both of you

on any time okay hold on let me actually

text him

all right let's go

uh that's skinny he built like a 12 year

old boy since you're talking about him

and

i'll let him defend himself

he won't have a script do you think

he'll be okay

i guess i can feel it i can feel those

awkward silence you guys

can handle this all right all right

jackson's busy right now but he said if

you reach out to him he will definitely

debate you

okay

yeah

but um

so you're saying

you're okay so

i'll let jackson defend himself so

you're since you're debating me

right no i was just curious about

because i thought you had me so do you

think part of the reason you have such

resentment of people like me and jackson

is because like you're an ugly [ __ ]

and like dude

we remind you of like everything that

you'll never be in life

yeah i bang more weapons you it's

clearly not based in anything relating

to the gas attacks or alleged gas

attacks in syria as we've just proven

because everybody on twitter thinks i'm

hotter than you

yeah i'm sure that's what they tell you

but in reality you know oh in reality

they would rather go with the five seven

manlet with a bald spot

uh

i'm pretty yeah i'm pretty sure anyone

oh yeah that's what they would go for

we've seen what you look like even if i

was five six i think they would even if

i was five six i think they still

wouldn't

uh

yeah i think even if i was five five i

could be four foot eleven and still i'd

do better than you

um you may as well be [ __ ] 411

because how tall do you think i am well

you are you are 411 just in um

distant pounds and not empty today

junior come on you are 411 in pounds not

in feet in inches 230 baby

oh that's so much better

uh 6'3 yeah that's pretty normal

um

you're literally built like that [ __ ]

disney robot character what is that

thing called in disney that [ __ ] fat

robot

you're built like that thing i don't

know

yeah

you're trying to say you're smarter than

me but you can't baymax basic [ __ ] what

is it it's called from big hero 6 that

thing from big hero 6 from baymax it's

literally that like really cool valiant

robot that like everybody's not cool and

valiant it's just it literally

sacrificed its life to save the main

character why do you look so much like

chris chan also i don't look like her

yes you do

i don't look like you look exa you have

exact chris jan vibes

look at them with their long hair that's

exactly what you look like

i do not look at it i say christine chan

sorry not chris christian chan whatever

you look like christine chandler

no we have no similar you look exactly

like that you give me the same vibes too

they're white no i look nothing like

them that doesn't matter

and it doesn't matter a little bit you

still

are you're still built like them and you

look like them and you also act like

them and it's even worse that you hide

from me then

no it's not because that

that means i would be

no it's not

i would hold you by your bald spot i

would put a dog collar on you and dog

walk you around how can you hold someone

by their bald spot

you're gonna see

no how would you do it logically

uh like have you ever gripped a

basketball before i know you're really

short so you've probably never

one-handed a basketball before

okay

uh so you would hold my head like a

basketball

yeah

and all of this

all of this

all of this you could have done like

last week but you were a little [ __ ]

who didn't show up you paid me to not

show up you know right

why you're not showing up for the second

one that's why you're not showing up

yeah

you're bitching out you're like

you're looking for any reason to never

have to confront me because you know

that i would just toss you

sure yeah that's why you didn't show up

i you know what i will pay pal you the

200 when i'm in detroit i will paypal

you the 200

and i expect you to show up yeah but go

to lansing not detroit okay i'll go to

lansing

yeah and you'll pay me 200.

yeah i'll paypal you 200. just to see

you not show up

okay

you ready for that

you should probably do some training

no i don't think i need any training i

think you do i've seen your legs

no i don't think i need to do anything

at all

what's your leg press what's your leg

press

uh

what are you what are you talking about

now

you don't know what a leg press is i

forgot you never work out your legs so i

guess you wouldn't

are you actually going to talk to me

about fitness right now having a body

i have a 400 pound leg press what do you

have

i don't i have five plates on each side

usually

yeah whatever i'm sure you do and i

actually do 20 reps of those do you need

me do you need me actually 40 reps

sometimes

do you need me to come help you work out

so you stop having little uh popsicle

sticks for legs

bro what are you are you talking about

someone else's body right now i'm

talking about stand up for us stand up

yeah

what like sorry

wearing sweatpants what take it take us

a few steps back so we can see the full

frame

no that okay we okay

listen we can clearly see

you can clearly see yeah we can clearly

see you're an extremely out of shape

like unfit guy

all right and you're talking about my

life

why are you so afraid to confront me

then i don't understand see like every

see this is the like catch 22 you're in

every time you insult me as like

somebody not a man or something like

that it makes it look even worse when

you don't show up when i call you out

i did show up

you paid me to not show up all right you

know what you know what here's what i'm

gonna do

if you unless you would you are not

gonna have any chance whatsoever of me

coming and lansing unless you [ __ ]

admit the truth right now

oh so this is your way you're gonna yeah

you know

because

because you're the fact that you're

still lying about it

yeah the fact that you're still lying

about it yeah the fact that you're still

lying about it at this point

new ways to not show up you're you're

[ __ ] screaming the fact that you're

still lying about it at this point

proves it's a waste no you're you're not

all right then okay okay fine then i'm

going to raise the price if you don't

admit it you can either admit it okay

i'm not broke one thousand dollars one

thousand the price is not one thousand i

got that right here baby let's go paypal

me one thousand dollars

let's go okay

so one thousand

i have the cash right here you wanna

okay [ __ ] yeah one thousand that's easy

and paypal all right take his lunch

money oh my goodness

all right one thousand dollars

all right bet

i have to take that to the bank but [ __ ]

yeah i'll do it okay

all right

what else you wanted to pay you want to

debate how your degenerate little [ __ ]

who uh it made it their entire career

off of harassing people and then wants

to clutch louisville harassed

who did i arrest your entire community

is based off of harassing people what

the [ __ ] name one person i've arrested

you name one person infrared has

harassed yeah yesterday

i've harassed destiny absolutely you

both know him give me okay okay

give me one example of me being the one

harassing destiny

okay right here uh you're here you're uh

constant here we're gonna just go down

your twitter it won't even take that

long how long did i ignore destiny

before he the one oh so so you admit

that you do it now no no you're i've

i've defended myself against this point

almost every single interaction between

me and destiny has been because he's the

one who's in he's initiated i've ignored

that guy for most of my streaming career

he's the one who keeps initiating [ __ ]

sure yeah

so so because i defend myself against

people attacking her i'm arrested

they're talking men are talking yeah

yeah i don't see any [ __ ] points

working on my camera go ahead okay so an

82 millimeter mortar round from

artillery uh if you could drop in the vc

text

how big of a hole in a syrian apartment

building would that create uh on from

the roof

okay well

number one i wasn't mortars but i

probably could research that real quick

give me a second

i tried are you talking about so it it

detonated or it didn't detonate

it would have had to detonate to create

the hole

okay so

82 or

last radius

um hey the motor has a burst radius of

25 meters i can't remember

all right so hold on let me actually

read this before i give a half-assed

opinion okay can i have like 30 seconds

to read it gotcha yeah i'll just keep on

uh insulting has on the lack of his

manly hood okay that works all right

i'll be right back

cool has did you know that it's a low

testosterone that causes bald spots

no i don't know that yeah yeah

have you had your t levels checked

how much do you want to bet they're

higher than yours how about that right

now i really

yeah we can go we can go to the clinic

together wait do you actually want to

bet who has high sd levels yes

absolutely i'll bet ten thousand dollars

mine are higher than yours all right

let's bet ten thousand dollars can you

can i get a like i'm gonna get a legally

enforceable contract though do it and

you're gonna sign it

yes

okay

i will get a legally enforceable

contract let's [ __ ] go and make you

[ __ ] broke for the rest of your life

we're gonna need that money in escrow so

okay

i have no idea what the context of this

question is so i have no ability to

poison the well the blast radius for an

82 millimeter uh mortar round is 25

meters which is you know basically 3.2

feet so you basically gotta think about

a circle of uh 25 meters you know with

uh i think that's the diameter so give

me a second actually i'll look at it

well that's a blast radius

radius right yeah

it's radius

right not a hole it's not going to make

a 25-foot hole

in the car it would make more than a

two-foot okay

what about yeah so the the 80 but the 82

millimeter so so for instance like i

mean if you're talking about so what

what's the contention what hold on in a

concrete roof

so okay so i pulled up this uh image uh

if you scroll up in visa here i could

just resubmit it in vc text

right

none of it matters because the doctor

who was on the ground in douma literally

that's not what we're talking about

doctor i know i know but this is why it

i mean you can't address that here i i

resubmitted it

uh

counterpoints your professional opinion

does that hole look like it could be

created by mortar

um

wait so okay so if it

yeah if that if that is that like uh

what's in the right photo that that's

the same canister and the reason it's

white and the left is because i

you know like how when you clean your

keyboard uh your can gets like cold as

you're doing it because of aerosol

because like of auto refrigeration

and that's that's what happened that's

frost you're seeing on the same count

the dumb point that haze was trying to

make was that he thinks artillery made a

person no i didn't say that i said

that's not what a rebar is and then

listen listen that's hold on first of

all that's not what i said what i

insisted on was that we don't know the

other possibilities of what could have

caused such a hole but that artillery

could have also caused the hole because

it was shelling

and he's saying that

this is but but i okay so not trying to

be a dick to anyone um but but a mortar

would make sense to me basically because

uh it looks shallow it looks like like

kind of like uh you know almost like a

six inch circumference i can't tell

because i can't see any scale

uh but basically uh if you see this

metal wiring or whatever the hell that

is that's reaching across that's rebar

yeah so if that's rebar then what would

make sense is like a mortar impact that

would then uh basically

if it detonated it would basically

land with enough force

blast apart the concrete leave the rebar

in there a majority of the shrapnel and

the impact in the explosion would be on

the roof not necessarily inside the

building whereas with an artillery shell

those [ __ ] are flying so [ __ ] fast

one it would rip through the rebar and

then two uh you know the detonation

basically would have [ __ ] up the that

entire room so a mortar in my you know

limited experience would have that

effect whereas artillery would have

basically ripped right through that

[ __ ]

so

do you your professional opinion does it

make more sense that that canister just

busted the roof or that something else

did and it was placed there

um i i would i would need the full

context for the story so

i still don't know what that i think

it's actually over i think that's the

only conclusion we needed honestly

because that's what we were arguing

about hiding has just got to hide from

the point more

i'm not coming upstairs you literally

asked if i got the i got the thousand

dollars waiting for you

i can't wait to see it i'm going to

stream my entire journey coming up i

can't wait to meet you

well so so i guess i guess my question

so can somebody walk me through just

since you all invited me anyways we were

talking yeah what what what is the

original story surrounding this photo

and what's the contention uh we were

talking about the duma chemical attack

in syria um he said that he does not we

we do not have enough evidence to say

that it was a chlorine attack i do say

it was a chlorine attack because based

on the fact there's a canister that that

what you're looking at is somebody

looking up at a ceiling

okay uh that canister dispersed chlorine

in through the apartment and that's why

everybody was dead uh spasming with foam

coming out of their mouth that's not why

you can't breathe then is this a is this

a helicopter drop

because watching this

helicopter dropped equally makes sense

100 percent it makes sense

so hold on yeah see let's listen

given all of the biases counterpoints

had that now he knows the context

now is the time to be able to like

poison the world like when he didn't

know what the context was explain it

that's going to be like the most uh

honest expression of his professional

yeah but but but i i can explain it and

hopefully a way that would be logical

that way you don't think that i'm just

like taking a side okay yeah so so i'll

i'll try to explain it so so basically

the the thing that i was talking about

originally with like the artillery shell

where i was like hey would just blow the

[ __ ] out of this thing right the reason

why i was saying that was because

there's different velocities okay a

mortar is like launched up into the air

and then the whole point of it like it

doesn't have a rocket okay there's no

fuel behind it it's basically lobbed by

a spring like a super strong spring into

the air and then it just comes down and

it detonates the explosive that is a

part of a mortar is not designed to take

out a building it's designed to take out

personnel so the whole point of a mortar

is basically to be lobbed the velocity

is not a part of what makes a mortar

work

and then the explosion is meant to take

out people so the reason why i was

saying that it's possible for it to be a

mortar is because it looks like it

landed on the roof and then primarily

like the damage would have been to the

roof okay so so basically the blast the

shrapnel all that kind of stuff would

have been to the roof and not

necessarily the room that was in there

but right artillery shell so sorry

i'm gonna describe all three okay um the

artillery shell part of its um part of

its damage is its velocity like you

could literally look up the velocity of

a mortar in a velocity of like an

artillery shell right now they're

probably not even comparable where a

mortar would be like it's flaw it's

falling out of the air whereas the

artillery shell would be like it's

[ __ ] flying like it's gonna go

through a wall before it detonates

basically and then the reason why the

the canister

the reason why i'm okay with saying that

like a helicopter dropped munition is

entirely possible is because you

basically have to look up the terminal

velocity from the altitudes that the

helicopters were dropping the canister

munitions from we got plenty of videos

of like syrian government forces

dropping uh canister like barrel bombs

or whatever and of course that's going

to have like a similar drop velocity to

a lobbed mortar instead of a projectile

artillery so

the issue okay but the issue the actual

issue under contention two things the

issue under contention was what not

whether it's possible that it could have

been dropped from a helicopter but

whether or not that was the only

possibility and you just confirmed that

that's not the case before you even knew

what the details of this were and second

of all

um so that's what the issue under

contention was then second of all

finally um

the initial investigative reports as i

said of the opcw

argued that the hole was too small to

have been dropped by the canisters so

they were actually on the ground

investigating this

this whole thing and they said that the

hole was too small for the um to have

been produced

by uh

the dropping from the canisters so

that's what they said

so so is the is the primary contention

whether or not like the syrian

government intentionally used chlorine

gas to kill civilians

no the primary contention is whether or

not there is uh

there is no possibility or there is no

possible explanation for how that

canister got there and how that hole was

produced other than a helicopter drop

well well right so so from like a

forensic standpoint or from like a

military standpoint or whatever uh the

this would be

my my problem with the framing is like

we're basically doing like a forensic

analysis like 2 000 miles away without

dimensions with like sloppy blurry

photos with like you know two different

people who obviously have vested

interest so doing like a forensic

analysis on like explosives is going to

be super hard in this kind of uh

scenario because we don't know the size

of the container we don't know the size

of the hole we're using all this like

sloppy evidence right uh so and we also

have parties that have motivations for

why they're painting the narrative that

they're painting what i don't think is

like within contention

is that so this would be my

narrativization is that the the syrian

government

capitalized on the american war in iraq

sent a bunch of people who were

motivated to fight american soldiers

into iraq they became veterans of the

mujahideen insurgents within iraq they

came home they were dissatisfied they uh

participated in the

pro-democracy elements it devolved into

civil war and the syria the central

syrian government used the presence of

jihadists within the revolutionary

forces as an excuse to engage in pretty

barbaric acts of artillery strikes

helicopter strikes drunk like the the

barrel bombs that we all saw in order to

kill the [ __ ] out of syrian civilians

even syrian civilians who were engaging

in peaceful protest and syrian civilians

who basically had legitimate grievances

against the central government so for me

whether or not like this individual

incident was uh forensically possible

one way or the other as a barrel bomb or

a mortar kind of misses the point of

what both sides were engaging in there

were jihadists on the revolutionary side

but there was also a lot of people who

had genuine gripes and then there were

[ __ ] in the central government who

capitalized on jihadis being part of the

revolutionary side in order to basically

kill the [ __ ] out of the

syrians

if you're referring to the uh the like

more liberal protesters who were only

showcased in the protests of uh

da ra and elsewhere

uh and also who were like the continuity

of the damascus spring during the 2000s

what representation at all did those

elements have in the syrian civil war

that happened after

well so so this would be my contention

because we had some uh peaceful

uh revolutions in the middle east and

north africa that did go off uh

relatively peacefully so for instance

like tunisia if i remember correctly

yeah was one of the few places where

they actually did have a pseudo-peaceful

revolution that didn't end in a lot of

bloodshed what i would say is that uh

basically my my understanding of the

syrian narrative is that it became this

pissing contest between the brutality of

government forces and the brutality of

the returning jihadists from iraq and as

a result of that pissing contest

basically uh anybody who was

pro-democratic pro-liberal pro-peace

they basically got radicalized into the

free syrian army um and uh there was

another faction that i was trying to

think about uh but the the peaceful

protesters after a few months because of

the the actions of the government there

weren't any peaceful protesters left

because the peaceful protesters were

getting [ __ ] gunned down and barrel

bombed and shot an artillery struck so

[ __ ] it we might as well fight so wait

what example

yeah what example of peaceful protest

being barrel bombed

can you point to

well the the barrel bombings would have

been like later in the conflict right

like when the cities were actually under

siege

right but you said peaceful protesters

were being killed and massed so other

examples of that

uh yeah if you if you want to give me a

minute i obviously didn't come with like

citations but i i could look up but

obviously it's going to be similar to

like uh egypt for instance during that

entire time period where just on

occasion the army would open fire on

peaceful protesters it's not gonna start

with but there's actually a reason why

the syria conflict became a civil war

and the egypt one didn't and the reason

is because there's obviously massive

popular support when i say popular i

don't i'm not necessarily even implying

a majority just like that there is a

huge significant portion of the syrian

population that is loyal to the

government

um and which is civil wars

yeah but aren't those so so for instance

but then this gets into a question of

like legitimacy and and this at the

other uh so aren't a majority of those

people towards the coast in the major

cities under alawite protection you know

basically economically entrenched with

this it's the opposite um so the protest

the rural the rural people not the

central government

no it's it's complicated so which you

basically have with the arab states that

are the especially bothers states these

postcolonial states is you have a

situation of you have an urban core of

like intellectuals and um like you know

um i guess perfect more like urbanites

who are more willing to go protest

they're more liberalized and more

cosmopolitan those are the people who

initially like led the protest those

were the people at the four of damascus

spring and then you have a kind of

suburban core which is like i guess a

type of um

it's it's hard to explain it

sociologically they're not necessarily

urban necessarily rural rule but they're

rule relative to the liberal elites

which is the bedrock of support for the

government and then beyond that you have

a deeper core of morality in syria which

is like the sunni majority basically

among whom

there is more anti-government uh

sentiment

uh as far as the majority is concerned i

wouldn't say so but the muslim

brotherhood and so on was always able to

get like its uh support from there right

so syria you basically have like

a cosmopolitan liberal urban

uh coastal whatever and then on the

other hand you have like an extremely

more

rural eyes like the same people that

supported the muslim brotherhood in

egypt uh sociologically i should say

who

are against not in the majority but

that's where you're going to get bad

rocks of resistance against the

government and fighting against the

government but in between that

you are going to have this kind of

middle class that supports the

government

yeah no but i i agree with that because

they if the system is working out okay

for them then they're going to support

the system that continues to work and

that you can you can use different

stories to to justify what you're doing

so so for instance like one of the

accusations against the syrian

government early in the conflict was

they were using rape as a

method of torture against protesters

also i was able to find like stories

pretty quickly uh as early as like 2011

of security forces opening up on

protesters but here's the thing that i

don't think anybody likes to acknowledge

is that sometimes people are full of

[ __ ] okay that doesn't mean that they

don't have grievances or there isn't

propaganda in war like uh for instance

like the ghost of kiev i knew that was

probably [ __ ] i didn't give a [ __ ]

because basically it did mean that they

or the the truth of it is that there's

ukrainian pilots and ukrainian soldiers

who are going up against an army that

they have very little uh hope of beating

conventionally and yet they still have

the brass balls to fight russian

soldiers so that that's kind of where

the the propaganda it doesn't matter if

it's propaganda the question is whether

or not there's legitimate grievance and

whether or not there's legitimate

political movement wait so the

willingness of ukrainians to fight

russians doesn't really give us a

picture of what's happening on the

ground though so the reason facts take

primacy and facts matter a lot is

because you can't take them for granted

we can't just say the ghost of kiev is

fine because overall it paints a correct

story because the only place we're going

to get any like

reality is from facts right

so we don't and then maybe but where are

you getting your facts and where am i

getting my facts because because the

fact that i would be citing to you would

be like from the guardian and other

weapons right but the fact stands that

old news like there the ukrainian air

force was taken out with such ease and

with such little

like there's no you there's basically

almost no ukrainian air force anymore

they're completely reduced to the use of

drones and that's pretty much it like

they don't have airplanes in the sky

anymore and they're not really able to

do anything like that so

you know it's like it's important does

that do you not like even if they're

politically your enemy or somebody that

you disagree with do you not think that

the half a dozen people who had brass

balls to actually take off and fight the

like before they got killed do you not

think it takes brass balls to jump into

a fighter jet and go up against an air

force that's more strong than you

um

not no not necessarily when you're

misinformed about what the facts are so

when you if you're being told propaganda

you're [ __ ] balls if if you're being

told propaganda that your ability to

beat this enemy is going to be much

higher than it actually is i don't

necessarily think that's something to be

like i knew that they were i think they

knew they're going to lose as a matter

of fact i don't think the ukrainians

have any

any real

uh

idea that they can win a conventional

war against russia like i i think i

think i think the point is basically to

make russians bleed enough that they can

drag them to the negotiating table i

think that's what it is yeah well

yeah

i mean it's it's about it's about

dragging it out long enough making that

war expensive even more expensive than

it already is right and then and then um

and then

convincing basically russia that it's

not worth it to be yeah but what we've

actually seen from the russian side is

it actually seems like the russians are

the ones dragging it out

because they potentially don't want to

deal with the weighty and costly

political problems that are going to

come with having to reform a ukrainian

government the russians would much

rather prefer the existing ukrainian

government just cooperate than have to

take kiev and completely

set up a totally new government and deal

with the entire you know in addition to

the international fallout that's already

been produced uh dealing with the um do

you think they would do you think they

would have felt the same way if kiev has

just had just fallen within the first

week like if they didn't

they never had an intention to take kiev

in one week

okay but but i'm just i'm just saying

like let's say zielinski saw the russian

army coming he fled all the ukrainian

soldiers were like [ __ ] this not worth

it and they just quit right don't you

think that the russians would be

perfectly okay installing a puppet

government if that had been the

situation

no um as far as a puppet government

because the russians are perfectly aware

that the bedrock of support for the

current ukrainian government comes from

western ukraine which is actually a real

basis of popular support

and installing a puppet government that

only serves russia would basically mean

dealing with all the political fallout

and unrest that comes with dealing with

the western ukrainian population

well okay so you were talking about like

facts and information and all that kind

of stuff so i don't have like a phone

line to like zielinski or to putin so

i'm kind of basing my opinions off of

like news reports and general

information things i can google maps

like all that kind of [ __ ] that's what

i'm basing my opinion off of so what are

what are you basing your opinion of the

russian perspective on

the russian perspective of like

purposefully not uh accelerating how

long this is gonna take

no i just mean like so so for instance

like let's say it was a complete

pushover like yeah the ukrainian army

just surrendered completely

half the population in western ukraine

was like you know what we welcome the

russians with open arms turns out

zielinski was a corrupt politician who

was in joe biden's pocket he wouldn't

have been really want the russians like

like so so basically like how do you

know that they wouldn't be comfortable

with basically taking over the entire

country

because they wouldn't have invaded the

country in the first place if that was

if there was like a grain of truth to

that reality

then but but that's like that's the

reality that played out on the eastern

side where you know all of the donya's

glue hans crimea all these places pretty

much when went out without a shot fired

yeah well

i mean that's been known for years since

2014 and then other you can also even

even say the other parts of eastern

ukraine it's similar but the russians

know that they know that the the root

cause of the maidan comes from western

ukraine in the first place okay

all right i'm just being a little

autistic at this point so i don't know

if you guys want to redirect

yeah we can go back to the original

contention is um why do you want me to

pay a thousand dollars to meet you

friday

because you're not you keep uh you won't

even you uh you don't even pay pal

because because because you care because

you keep pushing this lie that i paid

you off last time yeah and you would

yeah and you're you're you're you're

insistence [ __ ]

show up

no because you're you're afraid of

everyone yeah yeah but your inability to

even [ __ ] and you're never gonna yeah

keep calling me a little [ __ ] but

you're you're yeah yeah

so your inability to just admit the

truth and be honest proves to me

you're just wasting my time you just

spent here sucking off putin's [ __ ] for

a minute you want to call somebody

[ __ ] dishonest

yeah so you're not someone i'm going to

take seriously it's that simple yeah

oh yeah you're going to take you

seriously but you want a thousand

dollars from me

if you're not going to tell the truth

because yes

if you if you want me to drive listen

if you expect me listen if you expect me

to drive somewhere

okay

okay streamer

[ __ ] that doesn't work doesn't do blue

collar so if you expect me to drive

somewhere friday you give me one

thousand dollars it's that simple okay

well will you take it in cash or do i

gotta paypal you you have to pay pallet

to me before [ __ ] run you won't take

it in cash i just showed you i have the

cash right here we can count it together

my boy

i don't doubt you have a thousand

dollars to your name

i i just don't think you have a thousand

i don't i just might say as an arbiter

that doesn't prove you have the money to

spare

okay

okay so as a volunteer i'm gonna help

you out a little bit okay

uh ellen degeneret if you want to paypal

me a thousand dollars i will 100

swear on my life may all my credibility

as a streamer or youtuber or whatever

die with this [ __ ] statement

if you

200 bucks 100 bucks what whatever gets

uh has there uh i will hold it

and if you don't show i'll pay it to

hops

gotcha sounds good i'll do it

okay so one thousand

one thousand i got it okay

all right i guess that was easy

all right you're just not going to show

up

and actually i want to make it even

better okay i want to make it even

better i have some clippers all right

based on who wins between us you either

get to shave my head you get to shave

this glorious mane or i shave your beard

no how about not exactly because you

know you're gonna [ __ ] lose a real

man would just [ __ ] say do it

okay

like the fact that i'm even talking to

you still you should be grateful after

you [ __ ] bitched out last time you're

like let me see your view yeah after

after you bitched out last time 59

viewers

yeah after after you bitched out last

time the fact that who people are going

to say

who people don't [ __ ] care about you

you're a low cow

people people say i break i break 150 on

a good night so counterpoints is

actually he's a real man and he's

actually works for his money and has a

family what do you have wow what the

[ __ ] ellen degeneres what do you think i

have jesus christ

a bunch of online artists

so

well

the point i was making before i was

rudely interrupted by the great stardust

was that he has more hate watchers than

real

fans well if that's true then they're

really scared to speak up in the chat

because you ban everybody that says

anything

okay well if you're like if hate

watchers

would have been proud if hate watchers

want to boost me on the algorithm and

[ __ ] what do i care

about

oh hello okay

hi so okay so are we are we going back

to haas and ellen degeneret or like do

we have real political [ __ ] to

debate because if i i actually wanted to

debate him because uh

i wanted since he like was too scared to

actually like show up last time i want

to say okay

i showed the wizard

so you're still maintaining the lie that

uh i paid you

i i have the screenshot you can why

should why should anyone hold on why

should anyone why should anyone believe

yeah

why should anyone consider my hand

ellen why should anyone consider you a

credible source

that's right did i also call the police

hold on ellen so there's a few things

right here's the issue there's a few

things

you're not going to show up let me

explain to you the multiple lies give me

your paypal yeah yeah let me explain to

you the multiple lies you've been caught

in okay

first you said you were on your way oh

you want to talk about lies let's talk

about all the lies

no no no no hold on you know what i can

just interrupt i'm sorry to interrupt i

don't know anything about either of you

guys i hear decent things about haws um

stardust

um

uh see you again i don't know i don't

want to preface that with nice or good

but see you again um ellen i think

you're the one living a lie i mean is

that who is that on your on your shirt

is that toto is that um jiu jitsu kaizen

yes it is oh that's so awesome why don't

you like lift any weights like you wear

you wear muscular

press my guy

okay

enjoy your autism hit me up if you get

me back forever

i love you guys how much do you weigh i

mean if you weigh 400 pounds

on leg presses

look i measure my compound lifts i don't

measure my legs i measured your comb

because you masturbate everywhere no

compound lift

wait a leg press is where you put the

plates on each side and you push it with

your leg right

yes sitting down

so i put five plates on each side of 45.

i don't care i don't care oh that's yeah

and how much do you weigh how much do

you weigh i'm only 180. okay so he

weighs

weighs 180 and he's over 500 pounds

hold on juan whoever the guy is here uh

okay you could easily do 400 400 is not

hard at all no yeah anyone could like

i do 200 for my single leg because i

yeah instead of easing my max i do

single leg presses because it's a muscle

like i actually just started working out

like months ago okay so okay let me give

you some tips first it's actually cool

that you're taking inspiration from like

you know toto you know read berserk

something like that actually maybe don't

read berserk we have to gatekeep that a

little bit more um but my elden ring

character

oh we got to cocky berserk bros not too

cocky everybody i've never actually read

berserk i just got this board oh you

haven't even read berserk and you're

like funny big sword and elden ring let

me get it

anyway the big thing is i think a lot of

people do this they're like well my you

know accessory movement like people will

tell me their leg extension pr what

matters is your three compound lifts i

mean maybe you can include an incline

bench but you know your your deadlift

your squat and your bench that's what

matters so if you can squat 400 pounds

that's that's epic uh but yeah i mean

come back to me in you know a few months

it's good to hear that you're working

out like that's actually a good thing i

actually plan on doing a training

montage uh for haas

so he can see what he's going to be

dealing with i'm going to be reading a

book called three-hole theory

and uh you know just maybe

do you not know the two whole theory uh

meme where he doesn't know he doesn't

know that women have more than uh two

holes under there he was on a speed

dating show and a woman asked him

what that's all you own there what's up

wait do you guys think there's only two

holes

why does it matter like why does it

matter you know i'll let the women do

the anatomy lesson yeah i also raised

this i raised this too and i was like

i was like how many dudes actually

like

if you know how to go down on someone

you're not going near a urethra you're

going at like the very top

okay well let's talk about you don't

ever do that

you don't sound the right defense

hold on so so the right offense the

right defense is that it is the most

stupid you know cringe gay effeminate

thing to be like well actually yeah how

many holes does a woman have it's like

dude what are we like in a class like

what is this anatomy no it's not about

that you know it's about procreation

it's not about well you know you have to

properly stimulate the clitoris i mean

it's it's just about having

you know i i know

ultimately you're right honestly yeah

you come across as more of a virgin if

you start playing like the guess how

many holes women have like that's right

that was my that was my initial reaction

too but like you have to understand this

happened i'm sorry that i passed this

happened this happened in august they

brought it up again in november and they

have not shut the [ __ ] up about it since

because it's very funny so it's like

i've actually had to like dedicate way

more thought to this than a normal

person would and that's what i'm

actually embarrassed about most of all

it's like the fact that yeah sorry they

dragged me to this yeah like the fact

the fact that people like still

like the fact that people have so little

on me that they like have to still bring

it up it's like

i still don't get it like two there's no

it's like every leftish oversized

oversocialized type always you know this

is always the line i brought this up

with stardust the the frequent you know

dad's penis references yeah it's always

you know what did i bring it up go back

they go back to the vulgar they go back

kyle you're actually right

there

and they're the ones who are bringing it

up first the entire time no wait you're

actually so right there's something so

weird about leftists where it's like

everything has to be extremely

sexualized and it's always so visceral

are you just did you stop talking kai

because you know that you're full it's

always like they always they always like

like every time i see them trying to

even like critique or attack right

wingers they're always immediately going

to like the private parts the viscera

the sexuality it's like and because it's

funny because you guys get really

uncomfortable yeah about it but the

reason yeah you just sound like

god forbid god forbid the the the five

jokes that are repeated by yeah yeah

keep keep doing it the five jokes that

are yeah you know what's crazy to me is

that

leftists are always talking about like

oh like jokes left leftist leftists act

like they care friends are stardust is

fat stardust is hairy stardust is ugly

these are like not new things do you

think that i don't do the same thing

hold on

i just want you to know kai don't feel

bad because all these people ever do is

talk about the fact that i'm average

height like it's a big deal but that's

all they talk about they're not average

height you're below so when it comes to

them talking about it

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

wait wait wait this is so awesome

yeah are you five foot nine are you five

foot nine

to the bottom

i'm

i'm an inch below average so i'm five

eight so not five well that dude you're

still awesome like we're going to take

back the country i mean what what i

think

wasn't he stalin was even shorter but

like all i'm trying to say is like when

they complain [ __ ] the best when they

when they complain about like

dude all i'm saying is more of a man

than you'll ever be in listen

that's why he had a 13 year old that he

[ __ ] impregnated in serbia that's a

completely made-up story that's not a

made-up story please ask me what i think

about that ask me if i support getting

13 year olds pregnant uh spoiler alert

i'm not a fan of that the fact remains

stalin is a more impressive man he will

be more of a man and he is more revered

than you will ever be in your life and

you were trying to get yourself yeah

yeah yeah wait your life amounts to

nothing what did you get back on this

though

what's crazy to me

what's crazy to me is that leftists

always act like they care a lot about

like consent and making sure like and no

one's being sexually assaulted or like

you know like creepy or whatever but

then they somehow think it's okay to

just randomly impose

like very visceral sexual topics on

people who are not interested in talking

about any of that with them like that

yeah isn't it

they're so obsessed with content

with all of this

is going to tweet about you know very

graphic porn with transgender people and

horse penises and all this you know it's

always this this this weird hypocrisy

and i don't mean to be like the left is

so hypocritical but you know you guys

are so obsessed with what goes in sex

and you know what's safe and making sure

we respect consent and then you'll go

and basically groom minors into the sex

industry yeah i mean how do you feel

about yourself yeah yeah they they also

they they're always acting

about they're always they're always

conversational

they're always like oh look how

uncomfortable it makes conservatives

like well

with someone imposing that on like

imagine if you're like imagine there's a

family in public and like people just

randomly start talking about sexual

topics like yeah that's gonna make

people uncomfortable like it's weird

it's private which okay political party

is blocking

child marriage from being outlawed in

the united states

what does this have to do with our

country we you were just talking about

how leftists are grooming children which

political party is uh blocking the

outlawing which political party had

direct ties to jeffrey epstein in the

child sex trade

yeah

also the republican party dumbass yeah

yeah so oh really no that actually that

actually answers the question which is

like if you try to dumb down this

conversation into like republicans or

democrats dude i don't really align

myself with the republican party and you

probably don't allow yourself but

stop acting like that's what you're like

you're acting like uh oh leftist one of

groom children and i'm like okay well

which political bloc is uh specifically

against outlawing child marriage but you

don't want to [ __ ] say [ __ ] i don't

actually even even if we granted that

argument

i don't even think it's like i don't

think it's even cherry picking all the

stuff i just need eventually the

democratic party is

has been responsible for teaching kids

about anal sex at like the age of 12 and

which which party is more concerned with

making sure that children are taught to

be abstinent until they're ready to have

children that children that learn sex

education earlier

that's how easy you flip-flop

can i please just have a minute just one

minute and i'm gonna leave i'll get the

[ __ ] out of here okay you don't need a

lead

i don't know i want i want to just give

me one second okay

us okay

it would be i think you would be seen as

such a king if you just leaned into the

into the jokes that people make about

you okay when people call me fat and

harry i i will lean into it okay i think

you would be seen as such a king in the

twitch politics community if you just

leaned into no stardust

first of all i don't care what the

twitch politics community sees in me

second of all all of those memes

actually started by were started by me

in our community and we used to laugh

about me being short and [ __ ] all the

time

and we also laughed about the two whole

thing after it happened but then the

joke got old and we moved on

and it's not a joke it's like it's not a

joke with you guys anymore like you're

actually like

mad about it now like you're actually

taking seriously

yeah you guys actually take it like very

seriously it's not even a joke anymore

like you actually think it's like even

if you okay let's say you're right and

i'm three feet like let's say let's say

i was just like okay you're right and

i'm three feet tall

okay okay hold on not offended by it

let's say you're right and i'm like

three feet tall who like why is that a

did i commit a crime

is that a crime it doesn't matter i'm

[ __ ] i'm like five two it doesn't

matter it doesn't it yeah but you guys

you guys make it you guys make it seem

like it's like i committed a crime and i

have to be canceled for it you didn't

commit a crime it's fine it just lean

into the meme i mean there again people

think they're dunking on me when they

link the clown picture when i purposely

like dressed up like a clown like i mean

yeah i i'm pretty sh i'm pretty sure

yeah i'm pretty sure it's not a meme for

most people and they actually do take it

seriously

cuz like

because the joke is funny for like a

month maybe but then like a year later

it's not a meme anymore that's like

actually

people who are serious

true okay well um

i mean i guess that's the only thing

that i can say uh i just think that like

i don't know i think people say a lot of

[ __ ] about me and i try to lean into it

um full force well the thing is is the

people are like haas

uh

you always attack other people all the

time and i'm like

yeah but i'm actually right when i do it

like i actually like like for example

like when i call when i call like uh

ellen like obese and out of shape like

it's true he actually is right

and when you when i call you a short

coward it's true

but the thing is it's not like first

because when you had the chance to

actually [ __ ] meet me you bitched out

okay second of all

and [ __ ] paid me off second of all

hold on hold on hold on hold on let me

hear the back story here who first

threatened to fight who

so he he did to me so he did to me he

kept saying not surprised so let me

interrupt real quick because that's

literally all i need to know you're

calling him like you're not a man you're

not this and that dude you said come and

fight me bro to a guy you had a

disagreement with over the internet

you're a child you actually don't think

about things responsibly lie to you you

don't understand value i don't

understand taking things seriously which

is why you're

look you're doing the same thing the

only way you think about conflict is

fight me in real life because you are

too

unintelligent to actually talk about it

yeah i [ __ ] beat the [ __ ] out of him

intellectually too i can do it on all

fronts i'm just a superior organist he

thinks he beats me intellectually i can

get this guy get this card

so i debated him and it got 100

i debated him and it got to a point

where he was like the only thing that

could have created the hole in this roof

was assad's gas canister it was more

likely and then no you know that's not

what you said and then i said no it

could also have been mortar so the guy

actually looked at the smallest mortar

that was used by the syrian army and he

was like 82 millimeters or something he

posted a youtube video he's like see

that couldn't have created the whole

then we brought in a guy who agrees with

him politically who's like supposedly

like a military expert on it

and the yeah counterpoints agreed with

me and says it could have been a mortar

shell as well like it didn't have to

only be that

and he like

ellen literally took like the most

embarrassingly that a [ __ ] helicopter

he did not say that he said he did say

that no he what he said he said it was

more likely than artillery

i said he said both a mortar and a and a

canister drop were more likely than

artillery

okay so hold on hold on hold on ellen l

and ellen ellen why did you threaten to

fight haws what was the reason what i

said because he was constantly bitching

out about dylan burns and i was no i

wasn't yes you were

and he i said i'll i said i'll do it

because he was uh you know doing his no

you randomly came in my replies i said

i'll do it and then you were uh like

okay and then destiny started retweeting

it and then that's when he started

replying because his whole life revolves

around destiny

no it's because destiny is like probably

one of the biggest streamers that

constantly directs attention

toward me

and destiny kept like directing my point

yeah he kept shining the spotlight on me

and i was like okay whatever

i'm gonna do this one thing because all

these people keep harassing me saying

like oh

you're not about it in real life and i

was like okay i'll actually just show up

to this because i'm just that sick of it

and i just want to like uh just prove to

myself that these people are that

dishonest so i showed up and this guy

wasn't there and he's they still lied

and made [ __ ] up he said i paid him not

to show up he just made some [ __ ] up so

i was like okay

uh at this point like these people this

none of this is based in reality it's

all like no matter what i do they're

gonna make some [ __ ] up

so

yeah that was the only lesson i needed

to learn you know

yeah so

so the whole thousand dollars definitely

made you do that like the the way that

you're you're like no because that's

worth it to me if i can get if i can get

a thousand dollars just to like go

somewhere in lansing which isn't that

far for me like sure thousand dollars

yeah

uh-huh right

yeah i mean i look i'm willing

why did you threaten to fight him why

did you threaten to fight him because

his entire uh brand is built on like

worshiping strength and i just want to

show people that he's a little [ __ ]

oh my gosh you're a you're a child you

were a child you did not mature you are

a rebellious child you rebelled against

your parents did you grow up religious

by chance no actually

your parents religious i didn't have

parents

oh

that might explain part of not maturing

past childhood um but uh yeah no i think

lesson number one is think about things

like an adult don't threaten to fight

people because they disagree with you on

the okay [ __ ] dawson's creek looking

at us like i don't know what you want

like you could try are you gonna

threaten to fight me too yes oh you

already did actually

i'll do it all i want all the smoke all

right

i want all the smoke

yeah you can just repeat my things in

another voice that makes you look great

you did that before i was seeing if

you'd get upset about it okay

i'm gonna go um

kai you look like you're 15 now so great

job uh

hey

epic thank you yeah you on the other

hand look like you are so kind these are

basically like these are basically

destiny orbiters like stardust is like a

peasant and destiny's a lord and she

like has to pay tribute okay

uh she will never contradict destiny

which is who's her lord she will never

contact i contradicted him the other day

he would never call him

we had a difference in opinion over um

whether people

uh in light in prison for life should be

able to opt for the death penalty or not

damn that sounds like a really

substantive yeah that's like that's a

that's a really like that's definitely

going against him publicly

that's a huge disagreement

you know yeah like they they all share

the same pool of viewers as destiny so

they take turns like jacking him off

and like paying tribute to him

so they are upset it's like literally

it's literally all these bigger than him

nice why am i the biggest video have a

good one

uh because you're the guys

because i actually didn't know what you

looked like on video before i only saw

your profile picture and what i said he

looks like uh christine chandler

yeah i look nothing like christine you

remind me of that a lot you have the

love because you spend a lot of time

thinking about pedophiles because you

are one

yeah well

what an oh yeah

aren't you a boss fan

i'm sorry i've never seen anybody talk

about pedophiles more than just

pedophiles do you think hold on hold on

an entire community's first insult

towards any [ __ ] dude is it towards

anyone or is it is it is it towards

anyone or is it

anyone is it towards

is it towards anyone or is it towards

destiny and vosses community

it's that's all you do that's all you

interact so destiny is destiny's

community not pedophilic

i

would assume not because most

communities probably or do you know who

mr girl is the streamer mr girl

oh yeah he's cringe i didn't okay which

community gave birth to mr girl and gave

him all the views and uh platformed him

okay fine dgg are pedophiles okay

do you think someone who admits to

jacking off to lolliporn and saying cp

is not unethical and uh

talking about you know that talking

about wanting futures talking about

wanting higher talk wait so what was the

context for saying he jackson off to

lolly point wash it's with vaughn

no what was that okay

every [ __ ] single thing i see is

about that argument

you don't get to do that dude argument

oh shut up shut up

you don't even know what the context is

come on

how dishonest are you so vosh

hash

he has like discord records where he's

talking about like how in the future

he's looking forward to like sex robots

that'll be like children and like he's

talking about how vr

he's basically taught and he's he also

made a lot of first thing in the world

there's like a whole like treasure trove

of creepy pedo comments like i ask you i

want to ask you so say that they created

like a robot that made pedophiles decide

to not go after children would you be

against that

holy [ __ ] [ __ ] you are a pedo too

holy [ __ ] how is that a pedo thing

it's like it's incredible it's like it's

actually incredible it's literally

incredible

no one forced you to say that they

always underplay it they always water it

down so if there so if you could create

a robot that made pedophiles not be

pedophiles anymore and then you forget

to mention that the pedophile is in the

shape of a child and you neglect the

fact that normalizing people having ch

having sex

like objects is going to have a societal

or cultural impact okay so should we

just keep on like doing the thing that

we do now where are we just ostracizing

bro why are you why are you why are you

we've been doing that for thousands you

literally just backed yourself into a

corner of defending petals i didn't

force you i did not force you to take a

pro-pedo argument

what are we currently doing right now to

stop pedophilia what are we currently

doing clearly they're they rule us

they're in power so clearly not enough

okay

now we are

clearly our first instinct is to like

hurt them

ostracize and all these things which i

think we should do for public safety

obviously but

no i don't think there's a but

no there is

can someone

ellen who forced you to like make these

pro pedo arguments after you just

accused me of pedo-jacking other people

who forced who's going to force you to

answer the question

ellen answer the question

what

my because my uh hatred of pedophiles

no my hatred of pedophile stems from the

uh danger they pose children not just

disgust at what they do does that make

sense which way

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

wait wait wait wait wait no so you're so

you're

um your version of pedophiles is because

of what they do to children not just

because of what they think of watches

no a lot of that makes a lot of sense

listen to me definitely makes a lot of

sense

yes

you could if you put aside your

instinctual feelings of disgust you can

probably have why do we feel disgusting

why do we feel disgusted

because it's gross it grosses us out the

idea no it's because why does it gross

this out

because it's it's harming children

that's why it grosses us out yes so

you're saying the same thing twice

you're saying that well it's it's not

about disgust it's about them

but if there are ways to

[ __ ] figure out how to prevent them i

think every because we've tried for like

the last thousand years of just killing

them and hurting them no we haven't do

it we have not tried that for thousands

of years

uh

heterostate was a common practice of the

elites of rome it was a common presence

of the corrupt elites during the middle

ages and it seems like our ruling class

has always been pedophilic well because

they had the ability to get away with it

i don't think being upright they're

still getting away with it now

they're still getting away with it now

that's that's a consequence of them

being able to get away with crime in

general no it's not do you think that

this is something that that is that has

become a particular problem perhaps

within the gay community oh [ __ ] we

can't even we can't even go there

okay

we can't go there i'm sorry you're on a

pitch

for that i would trust a child with a

thousand drag queens before i would

trust them with like a thousand

christian gym teachers

statistically

statistically

you are [ __ ]

i mean if you look up any of these times

that there have been these big movements

of lgbt people like for instance the uh

like we'll convert

what's better

all right he here's going on let's just

end it on this note let's just end it on

this note here's all i'm going to say so

kai you probably know about namblo right

uh

not by that nambla is a pedo

organization that advocates for petals

and

yeah before the 90s

let's just say it was part of a movement

before it was kicked out after the 90s

for optics reasons so that's all i'm

going to say

yeah okay let's let's end this topic

because yeah i don't want to

247. that's that's unfortunately twitch

has just gotten to be a very politically

homogenous place and it's like i'm the

one outlier it seems like which is why

i'm like

ever

huh would you ever stream on cozy

um

i've i actually checked out that site

it's very well made you know i'm

impressed you know right yeah i'm not

friends a year less than a year from

yeah i'm impressed how well-made it is i

i i'm right now i am uh i do have an

exclusivity contract with twitch

because i'm partnered so i i actually am

not allowed to stream like anywhere else

no right but um well if you ever get

banned

yeah i mean yeah if i if that ever

happens i'll be multi-streaming to like

yeah

because i think you worked really well

on cozy yeah they all liked it

yeah i was gonna say the chats being

very nice to you at the moment yeah they

really like you yeah yeah and they were

like they were like this guy you know

haze is pretty cool you know uh um he

said that you know optics were on point

and whatnot and of course you're like

you have a very genuine angle and that's

one thing we give credit to destiny for

is like he at least is you know is as

much of a individual person to admit

that cozy is well run and that you know

you know

there's a lot of a lot of enthusiasm and

there's like portal

yeah there's a lot of support and

there's a lot of enthusiasm behind

cozying behind america first so you and

him both admit that which you know gives

you guys way more respect like like i

said i've always used it as an example

of uh successful dealing with deep

platforming by big tech which is also

something that me and a few of my

colleagues are also starting to face

because of

the outside of the russia conflict like

yeah

yeah so that's some we actually are not

saying it's like a matter of uh

if but when you know

so platform independence is definitely

something that like any

anti-establishment political actor

is going to have to be able to establish

you're just pro other establishments

you're not anti-establishment all right

well that

yeah what other establishment

uh let's see the russian government the

chinese government any geopolitical

intelligence the problem with the

russian government and the chinese

government is that those are populist

governments which regularly draw their

mandate from the mass from popular uh

masses

at the expense which they direct against

their westernized liberal elites

continuously

so actually the chinese

yeah yeah for example there is a russian

establishment that was formed after

yeltsin especially with the oligarchs

and the media conglomerates and putin

has been clashing with them throughout

the entirety of his reign same thing is

going on in china with g right

so the ability to do that in the 2000s

and then got it back he's the one that

gave them all their abilities in the

2000s he was basically selling off

government power at foreign why why are

oligarchs so okay there's there's a few

things here i actually talked about this

on my stream

the other day i find it really

interesting when people all the time you

know tout this like you're a fan of

dictatorships but then they're like

championing the united states the

problem with the united states or the

problem with you know all of these

western democracies is because in the

majority of cases

their you know government is um either

brought into office or is supported by

people who are not their actual

historical people right so if we import

like if we import millions and millions

of immigrants those are not a historic

or a true american people but the rulers

have their power derived from those

people is that a legitimate rule are

those rulers legitimately appointed do

they serve the interests of the american

people no because the american people

are now in the minority because you've

imported millions of new people

yeah i mean like uh

like what i'm trying to say when it

comes to when it comes to establishments

yeah when it comes to establishments

you're basically dealing with like these

fixed

networks of international finance and

like

ngos and institutions basically which is

like a it's a global network and it's

almost like every single country's

ruling class has them

and that in the case of russia right now

you know oligarchs are reporting to

media that

they fear that it's a matter of not if

but when that their assets are going to

be nationalized re-nationalized because

in the 90s they uh privatized a lot of

the assets of the russian government and

that's how the

oligarchs came to prominence and they're

basically like under threat now

by the government of having everything

seized and putin actually directly

called them out called a lot of them a

fifth column whose head is in the west

but who's uh who's only physically in

russia but their head is in the west

they're totally westernized and they

don't even like

so yeah it's like you don't really know

what you're talking about when you're

talking saying this [ __ ] about a [ __ ]

uh establishment so well that's that's

what you were just thinking for the

establishment of russia again

what is the establishment of russia dude

oh my gosh

all his political enemies just are super

clumsy keep falling out windows they

keep actually putting plutoni

at best even if i conceded to you that

putin did all those things which no

evidence has been produced to

to uh

even if i were to concede that to you

that doesn't prove there's a russian

establishment there proves that

no it proves that putin is like a leader

who will not tolerate

off people i think they're the

establishment hey our government does

that yeah yeah

there's the establishment here too i

agree

why are you rooting for like the west

why are you rooting for democracy and

liberalism that creates an establishment

an establishment that can replace the

populace to find some kind of support

this is how it works establishments are

based on oligarchy whereas

strong leaders strong leader the reason

strong leaders usually aren't compatible

with an establishment there have been

cases but they got immediately deposed

the reason is because strong leaders get

their mandate from the people oligarchs

get their mandate yes they do yes they

do because

even during the days of ivan the

terrible in russia when the boyars were

against ivan the terrible the the lords

at the like the these like um powerful

people who were like oligarchs the only

power ivan was able to get was from the

russian people was from the peasant

masses that's always been the case

throughout history julius caesar got his

mandate from the roman uh plebeians and

proletarians he got all of his [ __ ]

mandate from them and it came at the

expense of the patrician oligarchy so

there's always this struggle between

oligarchic rule and popular rule by uh

leaders

and yeah i mean like the democrats for

example

yeah the democrats yeah the the

democrats are i mean the republican

party is changing we don't even know

what its future is going to be you know

most of those

most most there's a republican

establishment that's increasingly

indistinguishable from the democrats but

as far as democratic parties they are

the party of oligarchy they're

completely anti-popular party whose sole

existence is to keep the american people

in line and you know they use all of

these supposedly um you know marginal

groups as a way

how many republicans voted for higher

wage increase

the the wage increase that the democrats

are voting for a is completely

negligible because of [ __ ] inflation

that's happened yeah and then and then b

if the democratic party is the only

party that's against the that that's

against the working man why aren't the

republicans helping with the minimum

wage

because the minimum wage is by no means

decisive right now in terms of what

defines the

yeah the supply of the labor force

what's going to determine the what's

going to determine the quality of life

of the working man right now isn't the

minimum wage it's [ __ ] the

availability of industrial jobs the

democrats are against in national

industry they're a yes the democrats are

against any type of national industry

they're against having any american jobs

and they want to outsource all labor to

foreign countries that is the number one

reason for the degradation of the

decline of standard of living for the

working class

the green new deal is a [ __ ] the

[ __ ] green new deal is malthusian it

was [ __ ] created

soros funded and malthusian wants to

kill our industry off wants to kill the

source of livelihood and vitality for

the american people how do you think

we're gonna get all the solar panels and

[ __ ] we'll need [ __ ] listen renewable

energy is not enough to actually sustain

the growth of industry it's about the

growth

and completely cutting off the supply of

creating new wealth why because these

old wealth moneyed elites want to cut

off the ability for any new wealth to be

generated because new wealth is what can

overthrow them growth is just leftist

austerity that's all it is

which is what you support

i don't support austerity will you

support the green new deal which is the

growth

no i support [ __ ] bringing a [ __ ] ton

of green jobs to america we should have

been the ones those those jobs green

green sources of energy do not produce

industrial growth

yes they do okay no they don't they've

calculated explain how they do okay

how do you wait why would it not as

opposed because they've calculated how

wind and solar and other renewables are

not enough to actually sustain the

developmental and industrial needs of a

country the problem we have is that we

can't hold the power because we don't

have the batteries you realize no

renewables are just about sustaining

what we have now not about

creating new wealth if you just make

more of it

no you can't there's literally not

enough there's there a limited amount

they speculate that in the future the

technology will be better which there's

no sign of whatsoever but as far as it's

concerned right now nothing even comes

close to fossil fuels or fusion energy

or some kind of nuclear energy nothing

comes close to that

you would sacrifice the jobs of

americans working on the keystone

pipeline because mcgreen mcgreen and i'm

like i believe that there's like a

future which is more environmentally

friendly that the right wing fights for

but i mean to totally you know shut down

all of the jobs

yeah yeah and i agree that

so the pro one of the biggest things

yeah no i'm there are environmental

problems like there's a there's smog

problems when it comes to industry with

co2 emissions it degrades it degrades

like forests and it degrades you know

the actual air quality of air and water

and all this yeah that's all real but on

the other hand like this overarching

narrative that we have to like uh have

like completely net zero which net zero

basically also means net zero human

growth it means [ __ ]

net zero population growth as well it's

not just [ __ ] net zero growth in

general and this is all part of a

malthusian agenda by our elites to limit

the population

true true okay how would it how is green

energy limiting the population because

green energy cannot sustain

the growth of humanity in general new in

terms of because as humanity grows we

need to increase our industry and

technology to support

more human beings and when you don't

have that you don't have the resource

and then by the way human beings are

either growing or work we're falling and

the malfujian agenda of our elites is

seems to me right i don't know if i'm a

lot you know seems to me

is to decrease the human population

no

no no yes no this attracts literally

everywhere what is the

western liberalism what is the thing

that you know this this industrialism

has pushed for throughout all of human

history making it so that people will

have less kids i mean is it a

coincidence that once you enter stage

four or five of demographic commission

your birth rate trails down yeah all of

this reacts with the intention of

liberalism the intention of destroying

the family is to get the woman in the

workplace

and you look at some of the way over

having children and you look at the only

country the only countries right now

that are promoting population growth and

encouraging people to have kids and

putting monetary incentives for people

to have kids are russia and china

europe

against the west yeah europe and america

by and large are doing the exact

opposite

japan is doing nothing to try to stop

its population uh decline practically

nothing

nothing

practically nothing they've literally

economically been speaking i've been

trying to do so much to counter the

deflation to make it cheap yeah but the

spiritual degradation

the spirit the problem the problem is

that none of the women want to leave the

workforce because and this is what japan

realized it's that their

industrialization so quickly and their

forcing of women out of the home and

into the workforce has made it so that

women don't want to take time off work

to have children that's one of the major

problems and honestly you know if you

orient the entirety of society around

having a college degree then women won't

want to marry a man who doesn't have a

college degree that's what's happening

in the united states like the way people

are married and also when you when you

have a society

when you have this

when you have this widespread push by

liberals to abandon any semblance of

like honor family manhood all the things

that make us human people don't even

have the [ __ ] motivation to live

anymore look at the suicide rates in

japan and south korea they're through

the [ __ ] roof people are losing the

motivation and will to even leave

because of the [ __ ] spiritual desert

that liberalism is creating out of the

world

i think it has a lot more to do with

like uh price of living and like uh the

[ __ ] like i agree that japan has

like terrible uh work practices and

stuff like that but the idea that we're

uh it's all family stuff no people uh

it's not like people thought of that in

the 1800s when they were like pushing

out a [ __ ] ton of kids they're pushing

out a [ __ ] ton of kids because they

needed farm hands to work on the farm

so like they were also pushing out a ton

of kids because oh it's all material no

it's not about them wanting to have

families because there's a value there

it's just like it's all yeah the post in

in post world war ii america you had the

baby boomers because after that war

people had a [ __ ] ton of kids right and

the reason it's not because they needed

farm yeah they didn't need farm heads

back then

there was no economic reason for that oh

it was like two and a half kids but down

from the our agrarian standard of like

seven or eight

the reason there is high in agrarian

standard is because there is high child

mortality in general

i know a lot about that yeah two 2.5

kids is still a ton compared to now no

like i'm i'm hispanic i have a huge

family so like the idea of like

i thought you're samoan

no i said people think i'm simone

do you have a mom and dad

uh they're dead but like the point is is

that the um like people having like nine

or ten kids on their on the ranch and

stuff like that that was fours that are

being more hands not just because of

child mortality they needed workers and

they made their own workers via their

kids okay you ever heard the expression

from the bible be fruitful and multiply

yeah that doesn't just come from wanting

more hands on the [ __ ] form exactly

so yeah why do you believe

people oh whoa whoa whoa whoa why why

are you like so nihilistic about this

that you believe that during the time

when people were more religious when

they had a larger sense of community

when they were more nationalistic more

patriotic the only reason they had kids

was to have more farm hands like how

does that

i don't think they may i don't think

they like we're like

i think that they probably were just

busting nuts crazy and didn't have birth

control and just i think it's i think

it's because they had no problem with it

perfect yeah birth control they didn't

have abortion and they believed in god

they didn't believe in all this like

awful stuff you have now where you like

have an abortion at like 30 weeks the

problem was it's because every kid they

had would eventually uh

lead to bet like their i think the

difference is that the way human beings

have lived for thousands of years was

based on life and being like for life

right and now with liberalism we're

entering this nihilistic anti-human era

where life is seen as something worse

than [ __ ] computers and [ __ ]

digital [ __ ] anime [ __ ] like life

the people are losing people are losing

the [ __ ] willpower to live there's

such a [ __ ] spiritual degradation

that's going on in america and around

the [ __ ] world people people can't

even fathom the possibility of being

fathers anymore because they haven't

even gotten over their [ __ ] edible

conflict with their own fathers people

are [ __ ] growing up to be man

children who watch the [ __ ] mcu

[ __ ] marvel and and

to fight people they disagree yeah on

the internet oh yeah yeah people [ __ ]

becoming like marvel mcu fans instead of

uh yeah no it didn't it did really back

in the day did not threaten to fight

each other over the internet when they

disagreed well

because their dads would beat it out of

them if they started saying stuff like

that

oh yeah aaron burr and alexander

hamilton that totally never happened

people used to duel but it used to be

but if me and haas had oh my gosh

because it was a violation of somebody's

honor of somebody's name it was a severe

insult to their character it wasn't

because oh you disagree with me on

political thing on the internet that is

why eric

you are not aaron burr you are not aaron

burst snap out of it okay you're not

aaron burke you're a man child on the

internet who can't help with being wrong

and is upset at the fact that you won't

amount to anything great

yes you

like you you've supposed to me who will

have children who has a church who has a

community who wants to leave a legacy

behind me yes i'm 19 years old and i am

comfortable with what i have done in my

life i'm not done progressing i'm not

done exploring my future but i know that

i am going to view it far more

optimistically than you do this is going

yeah honestly

listen you're also aren't you also

addicted to drugs ellen

uh addiction is a funny term i'm not

addicted i do though

yeah well this is the thing it's it's

like

you know when you don't have a solid you

don't have solid spiritual values or a

sense of meaning and purpose in life

you're gonna end up do being a jackass

like you are now and look what you're

doing on listen ellen i became an

influencer because i believe in

something and i want to get the message

out there you want to become an

influencer because you just want to get

ellen you just want to get high off

clout what is your purpose for being an

influencer why are you so desperate to

get attention oh because there's a lot

of [ __ ] i like to dissipate i like

to okay what makes you different from

vosh or any of the other bread tube uh

federal asian projects

um i'm funnier

no you're not you're not funny i am

pretty funny actually you're not you're

literally not against one britney

britney is ellen funny

i'm out of this okay

very strange that you create a like

mutually exclusive concept between drugs

and spirituality considering most of our

modern religious concepts come from

drugs

there's no evidence of that

there's no evidence of that hey hey hey

hey guess what guess what guess what

you're not moses you're not moses you

are you're smoking weed or whatever

you're doing in your room with the

lights out at like 12 a.m on a school

night that's what you're doing you're

not some spiritual intellectual you i

think i i ironically think so take

responsibility

for your life i do unironically think

that these drugs are having these people

actually commune with demons i actually

think it's like yeah i do think these

people are [ __ ] communing with demons

like they're they're actually getting

possessed

in some kind of [ __ ] if you look at if

you look at how much marijuana has been

pushed culturally

onto our society how normalized has

become not just how normalized but how

encouraged like i remember when

pineapple express came out i was in

middle school and everyone was like wow

that movie's so cool like we have like a

we not only are people addicted to

marijuana it's like almost like a ritual

practice like everyone's a [ __ ]

pothead now

and you have to wonder what why is that

is it does it do something spiritually

to people that let me you you asked

about shrooms ellen this is a very

interesting thing this is a very

interesting thing i was researching

shrooms of all the drugs that i would

ever probably try um i i think

psychedelics or anything that's more

natural nothing no synthetic or anything

like that

hold on hold on something that that

would be what draws me the most so i did

a little bit of research into it and

what i understood and what i think is

the right takeaway about psychedelics is

first that i don't think you should do

them but second if you do you should do

it to gain a better evaluation of your

current circumstance to understand more

about yourself and gain a new

perspective on life the problem is you

do this ritualistically and habitually

you do it you get some new enlightened

experience and then as that experience

escapes you you feel uncomfortable with

the life that you have led around you

and so you do more of it you're not

gaining any enlightenment from it you're

staying the same

drugs are escapism

that's the problem they keep you from

addressing the harsh reality of your

life so you've never done them kai no i

haven't wow okay so wow yeah

you haven't done shrooms so you can't

talk about it yeah you can't smoke weed

so you can't talk about it i haven't

smoked weed because i don't want to be

[ __ ] because your iq

iq is shown

before you habitually smoke weed oh you

don't believe in iq oh color me shocked

no i said yeah your iq is so high

even though you still believe in god

but the point

i was making

is the idea that you can talk to me

about mushrooms by never doing them it's

like a paraplegic talking to me about

scuba diving no he i've done hold on i

did mushrooms once uh how much how much

this is important i [ __ ] on i did the

no no

i'm graham i need i need a gram amount

of it was a special type of giant

mushroom it's called penis envy it's

blue

and it was like a big one right

and uh

i don't remember but it was it was like

uh

way more than you're supposed to for the

beginning

i can vouch that he's correct what he's

saying

no

you know what you want to brag about how

many shrooms you've done ellen where

have they gotten you yeah and by the way

let me just say this as well

they actually don't get you anywhere

they it all it does is fuel narcissism

they don't actually you don't actually

get any insight into anything at all oh

my god

no oh my god all

all psychedelics will ever do in your

all psychedelics will ever do in your

life is put you off course your real

path and it'll it'll make you take time

to get back on your track mushrooms

there's no way

sorry the idea that mushrooms make you

more narcissistic is [ __ ] yes they do

i'm sorry ego death bro

the so-called ego death actually makes

you give way more attention to your ego

afterwards than you ever did before

it makes you way more narcissistic way

more

like literally anybody that like in your

chat that's ever done mushrooms is like

i'm looking at your chat right now they

are just

god i wish i could get sick of fans like

that that just agree with every dumb

[ __ ] thing i say

isn't it funny that pivot dude if

anybody in your chat has done shrooms

they'll disagree with you looks at chat

chat agreement all mushrooms teach you

all mushrooms

all all mushrooms teach you

is that your brain can produce a mental

state that is completely off

the rails and off track and people find

that fascinating because most people are

used to like being involuntarily sane

but yes you can go [ __ ] crazy and

become schizophrenic it's very possible

there's nothing impressive about that

and you won't learn anything from them i

promise you no one there's no

[ __ ] wisdom from drugs or psycho it's

the most stupid thing i've ever heard

you're gonna get actual marijuana

marijuana is a well-documented trigger

for psychosis yeah the most wisdom i've

ever gotten and the most wisdom i've

ever gotten in my life was reading [ __ ]

like the bible or something

the amount of depth wisdom and richness

you're gonna get from text like that

from religious texts like that or even

not even just just ancient poetry

whatever the [ __ ] you want ancient uh

um

myths and things like you're going to

get real you're going to get like a real

like uh sense of meaning from that just

taking psychedelic drugs to prove how

[ __ ] meaningless your brain

wrote the bible was high as [ __ ] no

they've there's never been there's no

evidence for that

i wanna i wanna i wanna come to the

middle of the road with you here

um you've pivoted a few times like on

the question of what have psychedelics

done for you because you've obviously

done a lot but i don't see that as

improving your life circumstance but i

just wanna understand like level with me

here you claim that it's something that

would never make you more narcissistic

and yet you sit here thinking that you

are more enlightened or have received

some larger sense of self and you've had

your ego death talking to me and haas

and you're gatekeeping it because we

haven't done the same thing

um you've been wrong on the things like

a trigger for psychosis marijuana is i'm

sure that you know dmt and other

psychedelics are too and uh look at the

end of the day

my main point was if you do psychedelics

and you're looking for an alternative

perspective on life that should be what

it is an alternative perspective that

puts you down a different path but it

doesn't look like you've had any

positive success yeah any kind of

re-evaluation from all of the time you

spent doing drugs and that's because you

use them as a form of escapism

what indicates that that's it i don't

even do them alone like yeah that's even

worse

so listen i can i can buy other people i

can say listen as some as someone who's

taken them somebody offers listen as

someone as someone who's actually taken

them i can say any type of spiritual

wisdom you're gonna get from psychedelus

is extremely lo you may get some but

it's an extremely low level and

primitive form of wisdom which basically

amounts to the fact

that you can look at a world in more

perspectives than you thought just at a

very base level like for example you're

on psychedelics you're gonna have the

thought you're gonna be like how many

eyes does orange juice have and you're

gonna think like this is an extremely

deep insight which you're gonna attach

some kind of meaning to right but it's

actually completely meaningless you just

find it impressive that you can find

meaning in that statement in a certain

mental state right so here's the things

you should do that's really low level

yeah but you should enter you should

read this is what you'll get a lot more

value from read nietzsche read will to

power read the tower to change these

books

not enough maybe think about that you

think about oranges when you're high on

psychedelics maybe actually think about

them internalizing let me get my books

real quick i know i don't care like i

don't i don't care that you're not

proving anything you're not proving it

oh my gosh

what's up guy how you doing buddy hey

what's up man how are you

connor it's swirly yeah it's it's it's

also it's like extremely lazy to me

because it's like

no books guys

you can you can you can like you can

just take drugs but the actual effort

the mental effort it takes

to actually read books and like master

the philosophy of someone like kant or

hegel or shelling or whatever the [ __ ]

you want like that actually takes so

much more

so i have this critique of the gothic

program this is just my current library

you literally have this like very uh

entry-level [ __ ] marks

yeah i just thought i read it back in

high school i wanted to reread it okay i

don't i don't i don't even see him as

he's read and internalized and studied

all of them i i've actually listened to

capital on audiobook like three times

that's pointless there's literally

there's literally no reason someone who

hasn't mastered german idealism should

even bother with capital capital there's

no reason you should it's completely you

will never understand anything from a

book like that it's pointless

if we're recommending reading i

recommend the game of logic by lewis

carroll yes

carol who wrote alice in wonderland

fantastic book he also wrote an

elementary treatise on determinants

[ __ ] bass dude it's awesome it's a

math book from the 1880s and it's

written by the guy wrote alice in

wonderland how [ __ ] cool is that i

think that's cool is how you should

definitely read this book

alternatively if you read aristotle

and you actually internalize it you

might feel a sense of responsibility

for the oh my gosh dude

oh my gosh

oh my god anyway and see this is the

problem it's like when i tell you to

read a book that if you actually pray

she agrees with me aristotle

that's not no that's not true it's about

the effect it could have on you changing

your life psychedelics they're not going

to do anything positive for you

especially if you use them to escape

this bitter reality

wait kyle so you're saying explain why

you're using them i know i know wait can

i ask you a question about them yeah

okay yeah you're right you're right i'm

sorry i'm missing no no no no no no no

no no no no no no what's up but um can i

ask you a question okay okay so you're

saying you said earlier that like uh

psychedelics were like the one thing you

would consider trying right or that for

that reason that you're laying out but

you're also saying that like

you the only reason you would use them

is to completely re-align your values in

a way that like like shifts your

perspective in a way enough that like

completely changes your trajectory so if

that doesn't happen would you say that

it's unsatisfactory like an

unsatisfactory trip or like what's uh

can you walk me through a little bit i'm

just curious yeah so there's a few

things

i'm not doing like doctors or anything

yeah no worries no worries so there's

there's a few things the first is that

the reason i'm i would i was more

interested in like doing them out of

like any other drug is because um

they are you know not not synthetically

produced right they're more natural they

have uh documented use throughout

history not as you know people who wrote

the bible but just generally um but i

have since changed it i think i would

much rather do cocaine i think that

would be really fun it's like caffeine

is a lot stronger

oh i'm sure you think that's based maybe

i don't want anybody

right you're not looking for something

yeah rooms are bad i if you're ever

going to try any drug ecstasy is the one

to go with yeah britney's got the party

drugs on here oh yeah britney going to

the rave the other ones suck and they're

not good

make sure you get them safely and you

make sure that you're careful with them

and do your research but i don't i don't

think we can advocate for this it's like

it's all in a video game it's all a joke

that's what i'm saying right so

basically i at this point i think that

you know taking psychedelics can

basically um open up a gateway to like

hell in your mind yeah i don't think it

might be more narcissistic

um and i think the problem is

well i i and the reason i was kind of

framing this as like well i would do it

for a like a reference check or like a

shift of my frame the reason i framed it

that way is because that's the way that

i heard it framed for people who were

doing psychedelics i got it from like

libertarians i didn't get it from you

know like hippies um but

the argument that i typically see around

psychedelics is that is that it provides

you a different perspective and so my

argument then was if that's the reason

to do them is to understand the world

better to get that ego death to you know

get a different frame of reference than

doing them over and over and over and

bragging about how much you use

psychedelics is a proof that it isn't

working and that it hasn't positively

benefited your life and if that's the

case then your use of them is to find

that different perspective over and over

and over rather than understanding and

reacting positively to your immediate

circumstances

here's what i could say about here's

what i could say about psychedelics the

only net positive psychedelics will ever

do is make you sane

uh sorry make you grateful about the

sanity you took for granted before so

like when you wake up after like

tripping or whatever

there can be a maybe a positive

experience when you realize how much

you've taken for granted always having

some kind of coherent sense of meaning

in the world and that is honestly a very

beautiful feeling right but as far as

the actual look at that too yeah the the

experience itself is completely

meaningless it's just like when they're

done and they wear off

you're so grateful that you have like no

insights okay wow no because when you're

on psychedelics when you're on second

dogs sometimes you get this scary

thought i've only done them twice but

the second time especially i was like

i've done everything all the time dude

it's not worth it believe me yeah

someone who just finally got out of all

that um and is finding my way back

not worth it

literally can't like bring up demons

they're not just saying that there's

like a lot what insight did you get from

psychedelics

um i thought i had insight but no no not

not you sorry kai i'm not sorry no i'm

taking psychology

i'm i'm stupid i'm keep saying the wrong

names ellen

okay sorry i got um a appreciation that

my perspective is not the perspective uh

in terms like what you were talking

about reality i got uh the specification

for my

so like you know just just being able to

see from a different perspective what

perspective

like uh just from a perspective of like

you know not being completely on the

ground

like this

one of uh just in terms of like um

i was

okay i'll just talk about my 16 grand

mushroom trip all right so i took 16

grams and

uh that was an insane experience but uh

i came out of that like literally as i

came out of it like 14 hours later

i um

i had to re-learn english like i

couldn't talk like i didn't even know

that like i remember being like okay

that's a floor that's a shelf

i couldn't even remember the word for

ceiling i was like that's an up floor

and i got to the point where like i

everything eventually flowed back to me

and then i was like

ego death for like a complete day and i

got a complete appreciation for just

uh having

radical empathy for everything like i

think jesus did mushrooms okay what what

did you learn from that

uh i learned the value of radical

empathy and what was that what does that

have to do with not

knowing what a chair is

uh this because i had to i had to learn

everything from the ground up it taught

me so how does that teach you empathy

oh because the way because i was almost

like a baby like relearning everything

and it is it was able to i was able to

see all the things that i had learned

that were bad for me and cast them aside

except uh accept picking except meeting

strange except uh harassing people on

the internet and wanting to meet them up

i guess i guess i have to do mushrooms

again

maybe and maybe next time they'll

actually change your life for the better

but okay look look at the end of the day

you can say you got all these different

perspectives what have they done for

your life because i think that you are

probably whether or not you admitted on

the stream a very unhappy individual who

does not really have a good sense of

where their life is going you think that

you're gonna do this forever on the

internet and uh and you're really not

comfortable with the fact that you're

not actually taking responsibility for

cultivating like a real legacy

oh so like because i'm not like out here

trying to like have a kid i'm no no

because you're not out here trying to do

anything greater than escape the reality

of real life

so do you do anything significant

i have a business

what's the business is it this i'm not

gonna talk to myself okay well you don't

have to i think he drives he drives

around does something for his business

right

um no that was actually a personal

errand that i was doing in chicago

well either way um i don't get the sense

that you are enlightened that you found

some greater truth or some greater

perspective you can you know use all

these buzz words about i was like a

child learning things again i you know

learned empathy and now i understand

things better um the way it comes across

is that you have not uh positively

impacted the way you live whatsoever and

that you are continuously using them i

mean what you just said i guess i need

to do shrooms again you are using it as

a crutch

for you this is a crutch you are

addicted and you can say i'm addicted uh

i'm

addicted to mushrooms you can't get

addicted to mushrooms

for mushrooms if i don't have you ever

heard have you ever heard of a

behavioral addiction yeah you can get it

today

yeah shut up okay you know all these

people who are talking about this you

can't get addicted to porn you can't get

addicted to you know these certain kinds

of drugs don't understand actual

literature

i'm laughing because he goes i need to

do them again

they didn't [ __ ] me up enough

to do more to fix myself

with relearning empathy proves that you

are not comfortable with your natural

state you are not comfortable with you

as a natural man no you actually come

from god sober i mean i have a i have a

great life i chill i i get uh money

drawing from dude you're on twitter 24

you were literally

not an ounce

there's not a second where you're not on

twitter and i know how i know that is

because every time i make a tweet you're

there immediately instantly every single

tweet i've ever made on twitter you were

in the replies

you you literally are in my reply every

time i send a tweet you're there every

single time

what are you grinding about

okay ellen ellen

how does your engagement with me help

your life

uh i think it's just funny to watch you

avoid me

is that what happened last time

it is exactly what happened and so

what's gonna happen friday how is that

what happened last time so it's gonna

happen in the same way it's gonna happen

again friday and that's the fidget

spinner uncomfortable okay

i'm raising the price i'm raising the

price to 3 000 now oh see

see that you just don't want to that's

it you shouldn't give it this time today

you're right i don't want to

why would i want to do that i already

did it

i wouldn't want to do that i wouldn't

want to fight you

no it's it's like it's like invited but

i

no it's like it's like it's not that

he's scary because i showed up last time

i just don't want to waste my time

new things and why you can't do it

you're going to keep raising the price

it's okay just saying that's true who

are you showing up dude

never shows up because he shouldn't

grant you that time because he

understands that his time is more

valuable but three three thousand

three thousand is uh it might not be but

his is but three thousand is a lot i'm

gonna be honest that's like a lot of

money you know i'll do three thousand

[ __ ] it okay i'm definitely going if you

send me three thousand on paypal friday

and you come here zero chance he's

giving you three thousand dollars

that's a lot of money

that's where you get your sense of

entitlement that's where you get your

your ego from people

always people are saying you'll do a

charge back people gave me that much

money for that people are saying you do

a charge your audience is pedophiles

that's what i wonder how much of the

people

like it's it's like i specialize in

dragon for i'll take it in bitcoin so

you can't do a charge back i'll take it

in bitcoin

yeah dragging these balls across

yeah make it ethereal am i getting it

out yeah actually ethereum not bitcoin

ethereum yeah okay yeah whatever it

takes to get out of it has i get it

i don't i don't have to get on anything

i already went last time this is

this one's just this one's just to make

money he did already win last night

i already went last time

is ellen if you fight my black friend if

he wins you have to go to a

rehabilitation clinic

i'm not afraid of black people you guys

notice ellen has literally agreed to

everything i told he said i should get

my t levels measured and i said i'll bet

you ten thousand they're higher than

yours and he said i definitely have

higher teams he said he said yes he said

he will be happy

he said he said he will he said he will

legally commit ten thousand of his dog

he's just agreeing saying all right

ellen will you bet

i have like 20 grand like what are you

doing will you bet you're gonna bet

half of your net worth

yep

that's how that's how much at the edge

of your life you truly are no that's

just how much i know that i have higher

t levels i do

oh okay it's not a bet it's not a bet if

okay then why doesn't your beard on a

bet he's taking it very seriously

why doesn't my beer connect

yeah say my my beer

your beer your

beer

because i told it not to

yeah did you just come up with any

excuse

yo if you if you get him to take the bet

you could just like take t take

testosterone and then you're like you'll

totally you'll definitely win i don't

like pump up oh [ __ ] that's true

i'm not saying i'm not for the record

i'm not saying that you you wouldn't win

any i don't know i have no idea what

either of your testosterone levels are

especially comparatively um but like i

could take i could take hrt for two

years and still have more testosterone

than has

yeah ellen you are the prime example of

a raging alpha high tea male that's me

might explain the balding i don't know

am i balding probably no there's no

balding here whatsoever

you just have a very big forehead

you take everything so personally there

yeah

yeah i woke up at like 4 p.m ellen do

you shower

yeah

oh you don't look like it

so okay let's let's let's let's

interview a little bit so let's go

how how's your relation to your parents

the guy already asked that your

relationship with your father so who

raised you mentioned this like five

times so i was actually raised by two

wolves

how did i know you were gonna say a pack

of wolves you're so predictable you're

like an npc is psychedelics like it does

it rewrite the script does it rewrite

code in your brain so you turn into just

an npc with these constant lines

that's trying to create a church so we

can [ __ ] 14 year olds yeah i get it oh

my god perfect perfect responsibility so

perfect boston's creek youth pastor

looking night with a 90s taco bell

sweatshirt i get it yeah you know the

crazy thing is that

you realize the reason for that is

because of modern liberalism too

yeah

like modern you realize that in modern

liberalism the thing they attack first

are religious

centers of spirituality like that's

their number one enemy

and always has been

okay

you don't care yeah but just like you're

you're blaming it on religion when it's

the opposite

so you take all these drugs to fight

don't care when spirituality around you

is already killed right

all the spirituality that i've ever seen

has been

highly

highly corrosive and uh

except except the drug one

christian spirituality is really

destructive because they don't believe

that you can do whatever you want and be

totally free of sin it's like yeah yeah

because we preach responsibility because

you can't live however you want you

can't live however you want people you

know do whatever you want without it

being terribly corrosive to your soul

what's more corrosive

uh

a kid growing up in the foster system

with nobody or a kid having gay parents

what's worse

wait hold on before we answer that

question

do you think it's

before we answer that question

before we answer that question you

realize the reason there has to be a big

foster system is because there's no

strong communities or families to begin

with when people don't it's called

usually the next of kin raises the child

and if it's not the next of kin it's the

godfather godmother or like the neighbor

or something the reason you have to have

a foster system is because there's no

close communities to begin with

these were so good no the 1800s the

1800s was like the pinnacle of

industrial capitalist devastation

yeah there have always been hold on

they're always they have always been

foster children but they're especially a

big problem in cities

what kind of big influx of foster

children let's think about that one yeah

what caused the cities yeah um

manufacturing base yeah industrialism

what caused the cities have a rapid

march towards progress progressivism at

all costs technological social economic

that's what you believe okay yeah you

believe in your liberation

that's what caused that look this is

this is the simple way of putting it

tradition

conservative ideas are arguing for the

things that allow us to exist today it

argues for the tradition that caused you

and me to even come into existence what

you believe

what you believe in is a war on

everything that is tried tested and true

it is a war on everything that has

worked and what you're doing is getting

all really you know high in mind

right now

we can have this immaculate progressive

future conservatism is evil and you are

sacrificing children families churches

communities oh yeah they're all at the

stake all that

how many

how many of them

okay that's that's such like a vulgar

thing to say

that's shot bro that's such a [ __ ]

vulgar thing to say like you're

immediately going like if you want to

play that game you can play that game in

reverse as well like don't you don't

have to [ __ ] open that can of worms

of like direct victims

no okay

all right

that you adhere to

well then they should wrap it dude

they do sometimes they get raped

yeah this you're literally deranged

you're actually deranged

what's

i'm guessing you also believe in open

relationships too right

i mean i mean i believe they can have

one

do you do you endorse them

endorse them in the way that i don't

have a problem with them if other no

like do you think there's nothing wrong

with them

i i think that a lot of people get into

it and then figure out they're not it's

not for them i don't think there's like

super cra if somebody's able to think

like a good role model is endorsing that

i mean if somebody can make it work for

them then whatever i don't how would it

work yeah how would it work yeah

like polyamory

a man sharing his woman with other men

how would that i'm pretty sure that that

is the like default way that people were

back in tribes

okay i'm pretty sure it's not

yes nobody even knew who the kid who the

kid's parents were that they were all

raised by the village

even if that was true that people now

are doing it and they're fine like there

are people who definitely like find

success they were raised by the village

they were raised by wild wolves i saw

them

not the disney thing no like this has

been like as recent as like even if that

was true hold on even if that was true

you're telling me that in today's

society with all the meaning that has

a man can seriously exist not be

completely destroying everything that

they are

by coming home to

someone whose lips have been seen in

their face you could just yeah you can

just see

it's the it's

the spirit in the face

a sense yeah i stand for i stand for

less harm i stand for human happiness i

stand but don't you don't you think hold

on but don't you think when people

must be like i stand for human happiness

but they're not happy

no no here's the issue though when

people are com when people have lost any

spiritual compass they have no sense of

their family values and they don't know

they don't know how to make sense of

things they don't understand like

there's mean the meaning

they don't understand like family

meaning and then someone comes and tells

them they're like hey

uh an open relationship yeah you just

you don't want to consider women your

property so like you know and when your

woman sweeps around that's like [ __ ]

uh that's empowering or whatever and you

know you that's just how not human you

know people are gonna buy into that [ __ ]

and it's gonna completely corrupt their

soul completely destroy them emotionally

it's gonna destroy them emotionally

spiritually every kind of [ __ ] way

and then because they didn't they

haven't actually ever learned on an

unconscious level

why that's completely unspeakable i will

say that i i think poly relationships on

average have less abuse in them than the

traditional relationships

because they're abusing the spirit

they're abusing the soul i would rather

them abuse the spirit than their faces

hold on how do you is there any evidence

for that

um considering that like molecules are

mostly done by people that have already

like donated a lot of their insecurities

well you're basically saying well you're

basically who have been abused yeah what

you're basically saying what you're

basically saying is aiken to this idea

that people who are single are abused

less than people who are in committed

relationships and

okay you have to be in a committed

relationship and give up that level of

exclusive trust

for bad things to even happen that's why

there's trust in the first place it's

probably been the worst thing for women

because it's created a world where

would you just say i think the nuclear

weapon family has been one of the worst

things for women what's the nuclear

family can you define it uh like i don't

have to hear about this one like uh like

two uh like a one household mom dad two

kids and a dog

hey what do you what do you can you so

that is what they don't get to go to

work are you talking about monogamous

families

yes okay if you're just talking about

monogamous families then you're [ __ ]

wrong

monogamous monogamy is literally the

thing that has empowered women the most

in history what the [ __ ] are you talking

about well yes and the biggest part uh

that has made the nuclear family is the

uh the generation i i like

multi-generational households

uh because

yeah

sorry

most traditional societies have

grandparents and whatever living and i

think that's good because the guy is way

more less likely to smack up his wife if

his dad's in the if her dad's in the

other room i feel like there's a million

other things that are also good about it

but yeah

we also reduced you're so keyed in on

the abuse thing

oh uh because i had to fight girls

important year old again never hitting

my mom okay

i think in general you okay our

lifestyle is try tested and true listen

i think in general in general you're a

very troubled and mentally uh unwell

person right and i think you're using

the internet in a very destructive way

i'm mentally troubled because i'm okay

with

no i think like yourself dude you just

you just projected your childhood trauma

onto me

like i

he asked why i keyed into the abuse

thing like why is that the first example

i go to and i was like well i have a

personal experience with it yeah and

you're like that's why that's why i'm so

willing to challenge haas because like i

remind you of someone in your past which

is really creepy because you don't even

know who the [ __ ] is you're just trying

to find ways to get out of it just

advent you're not an alpha male it's

fine we all know your beta it's totally

cool listen even even if that was the

test

that test has passed on even if that was

the test that test has passed because

you didn't [ __ ] show up last time so

it doesn't even matter anymore well why

won't you show up again if you're such a

man

because

that was your chance what do you mean

show up again how many [ __ ] times do

you want me to show up

the challenge no matter what oh oh okay

so you're saying so you're saying even

if you don't show up again and you do it

again i have to keep doing this forever

yeah but that's what you said last time

and look what happened nothing

okay so so hey so when i think i think

we basically we've created the character

evaluation i've got my psychiatrist

notes here look here's the evaluation

ellen you had a poor relationship with

your parents in your youth you saw abuse

happen none of this is good none of this

is a feature of a normative or a

traditional

marriage or society but because you saw

it you are aligning oh hold on hold on

ellen i'm not done yet i'm not done yet

um

all of your all of your politics all of

your prescriptions and all of your ideas

towards the future around stopping the

bad things that you saw happen and you

may say and you likely take psychedelics

in order to escape that trauma that you

had as a kid but at the end of the day

all of your politics are a reflection of

a reaction to trauma that is still

within you trauma that you should

address with responsibility with being a

better father than your father was with

being more of a man but yet instead of

psychology instead of moving towards

living virtuously you continue to crutch

yourself with psychedelics and continue

to project this trauma in your politics

let me flip it over let me flip it over

okay uh i think that you uh are uh

wanting to start a church as a 19 year

old because uh you get no [ __ ] and uh

you want to be able to control small

women that are sexually

and experienced in your own life and you

want to be able to control and you want

to try to shape yeah that's such a

perverted leftist explanation that's

what leftists do

leftists immediately jump to the most

perverted projecting example like as if

someone can't actually have

as if as if someone hold on as if

someone can't have authentic fun as if

as if ulterior motive yeah yeah as if

someone can't as if someone can't have

authentic spiritual beliefs and it all

it's all underlied by [ __ ] uh sex and

by the way dude

literally psychedelics right i can't

have authentic yeah by the way

you may not be able to relate to this

much because you literally look like an

ogre but almost any dude can get [ __ ]

dude almost any dude it's not hard and

so and so here's so here's let me let me

give you that you don't need to start a

church for that i really don't want to

start a church i am a proud member of a

church of the church of jesus christ of

latter-day saints i'm happy in this

church this church gives me communities

hold on hold on oh you're a [ __ ]

mormon

oh and here yeah yeah so you can go on

the polygamy misconceptions

hold on i want to finish i want to

my parents had a positive relationship

i've never seen my parents fight once in

their lives um there have been

tumultuous times economically for us uh

financially and whatnot i get along well

with my sister we've never heard of you

hold on give me okay so

ah i guess i have to address this so

you are so

confident lds church the actual church

of jesus christ of latter-day saints has

existed twice as long without polygamy

as it ever did with polygamy this schism

happened once the church abandoned

polygamy and the flds church left the

church in order to continue practicing

it the practice of polygamy in the

church for over the last 150 years would

get you excommunicated

from it but you are so intelligent that

you're conflating the two so let me just

present you let me just correct you

there because the most you know about my

church is a south park episode because

that's all the media you take in that's

where you get all of your ideas aside

from the trauma that you experienced as

a child

let me continue with what you're saying

let me continue

my family gets along well i've never

fought with my sister my parents don't

fight we've certainly not always been

you know all the ducks in the row we're

not well off financially we have

circumstances that actually put us in a

very tight spot financially but i don't

let them ruin my life but i don't let

that cause me trauma the most important

thing to me besides my faith my family

and my country and my friends is the

total

complete prioritization of my happiness

and i don't mean in like getting off

jacking off masturbation doing drugs i

don't need that i mean a pure sense of

happiness where i'm happy and

progressing i can ultimately find a wife

down the road and so if you say i'm

trying to prey on inexperienced you know

minors or inexperienced women i'm an

experienced myself because i believe in

saving intimacy till after i'm married

yeah i i'd say that if i was in your

case too what year could i join the

mormon church what what year was it i

was i allowed to join again

uh since the beginning

oh no you still hold on

no

gosh you still are okay okay okay hold

on hold on before you say anything else

about the mormon church i want you to

think is it actually true because what

you're referencing i'm assuming is the

fact that black people in the church

couldn't have the priesthood up until

the 1960s spoiler alert you could always

be in the church you just couldn't have

the priesthood so you don't even

understand that and if you want to talk

about blacks in the priesthood we can

talk about that you just don't know what

you're talking about you are stupid and

something that was the justification or

it was the argument for removing rather

having this perspective of blacks during

a time when literally everybody

practically in any church had these

racial views where they believed that

blacks were inferior or bore the mark of

cain it comes from a mistranslation of

scripture where the term or rather the

uh i think i'm trying to remember the

scripture i i have some of these

memorized because people who don't know

enough about the church bring it up all

the time pretending to be intelligent

like they've debunked it

you want to keep spouting stuff off or

do you want the answer the answer is

that it was a mistranslation of the

passage which refers to a complexion of

whiteness which was not a skin

complexion and if you actually read the

book of mormon and you understand it

properly contextually and historically

you know that the term or rather a

complexion of whiteness does not simply

refer to skin pigmentation it refers to

a spiritual complexion being removed

from the presence of god gives you a

complexion of darkness that was the

cause of the mistranslation was it used

incorrectly throughout church history

when the people in the church were

racist sure

but that happens all throughout plenty

of churches

incorrect translation to justify racism

you just don't understand what you're

talking about do you think that

translation was like an accident or or

do you think it was just kind of like a

convenient like no i i think they could

utilize it people very conveniently they

they said you know during the time where

most church members you know had had

these certain racial views it's not at

all an uh like an accident that they use

this scripture to justify the beliefs

they had that's not an all an accident

it is incorrect but it's not an accident

oh you're saying all the time

they came to like they came to an

agreement that it was a um

that it was a bad thing that you're like

oh we mistranslated it that's how they

it came into it yeah so so again because

you know a lot about the truth

you want me to answer your question

stupid stuff do you want me to answer

your question

stupid stuff okay you want to keep

saying stupid stuff go ahead go ahead

all right so like

so it wasn't uh in 1978 uh the

presidency in the quorum of the twelve

led by spencer kimball he basically did

what i was doing five minutes ago and

just said declared that he had written

thank you jack elevation that it was

time to end these prescriptions

hey um okay

i would have i would have easily

answered your question the answer to

your question is that our church has

continuous revelation in the latter days

we do not believe we have received the

entirety of revelation we believe that

we receive revelation in accordance with

the time that we are in relevant to that

context there is a time and a place for

certain revelation and there was a time

and a place for the revelation to the

head of the church that this doctrine or

rather this practice was outdated and

that such a mistranslation was

inaccurate

so the in 2013 when the lds church

posted an essay stating that the ban was

based more on racism than revelation and

about racist theories of the origin they

were like bullshitting or what

no that's true i think that's from the

gospel topics essay where they say it's

not about doctrine it's about you know

like a racist justification

that that's literally my argument it's

not doctrine ellen if you know if you

read the book of mormon if you read the

bible you'd find out there's not really

a justification for the mistreatment of

other groups on the basis of their race

see this is this is exactly

this is exactly how these liberals

operate they watch the south park

episode and they feel like that their

ignorance

they feel like they feel like the fact

that they've heard they feel like the

very fact that they've heard a whole

bunch of [ __ ] and lies somehow like

gives credibility to the lie so the

burden of you is like you're the crazy

person for defending the truth when all

all that's being [ __ ] revealed is

that you were fed a whole [ __ ] host

of [ __ ] lies and ignorance and

misconceptions and by the way ellen

hey ellen don't leftists always like

mock when like rural people are ignorant

about foreigners or minorities or other

religions and they have all these like

backward views and stuff and then when

you try to educate or correct them you

feel like you're so superior this dude

just [ __ ] gave you a lesson you had

no [ __ ] idea all these ignorant

misconceptions you had about his church

and you have nothing to [ __ ] show for

it you don't even have an ounce of

[ __ ] thank you guys

black people weren't allowed as priests

until 1978 no no that's not what you

said that's not what you said you said

when would i be allowed in your church

uh since the beginning okay you just

couldn't receive the priesthood and

that's why continuous revelation is

important you're allowed in you just had

to stand in the back and you just

couldn't talk that much and you don't

understand it wasn't because of that

wasn't because of the religion that was

because of the circumstances of [ __ ]

race at the time it wasn't because of

the religions

have never been used intertwined at all

there was never a biblical uh

justification for my great great great

grandfather's slavery definitely yes

yeah of course they tried to use

religion to justify everything

no no no no what you're saying is

literally my argument the justification

of exodus and proverbs

the justification of exodus and proverbs

and the old testament for slavery is an

inaccurate reading of the bible and the

new testament so you're arguing so so

what people can miss misrepresent and

mistranslate and misuse the bible to

justify bad things what's even of course

that's why continued revelation is

important what's even more arguing

what's even more stupid about

i would say that's why it's important to

be very skeptical when people are trying

to use the authority of the creator of

the universe to make claims about how

people should live their lives that's

what i would say is more important well

here no here's because here's the thing

what everyone's missing here or what

ellen's missing here is that the entire

not only just almost all the slave

rebellions like nat turner's but the

entire abolitionist movement drew its

[ __ ] legitimacy and justification

from religion and from the [ __ ] bible

that's not even uh under contention

explicitly disagreed with the part that

was against their injury no they didn't

the the abolitionist movement

they were religious fundamentalists

actually yeah if you want to if you

actually want to look at history the

races were actually more atheistic and

more inclined to believe in darwinistic

views about um you know they were more

atheistic

the most fervently fanatically religious

elements of society at the time were

leaning more toward abolitionism

no true true yeah the problem is the

problem is all throughout history people

find faiths or rather they they have

politics and then they find a faith to

justify their politics yeah you need to

do it the other way around you need to

find your faith and then find your

politics

man on the cloth here uh how do you feel

about ephesians 6'5

okay let me look this up if we're doing

like the verse by verse

or do you want to read it yeah thank you

bond servants obey your earthly masters

with fear and trembling with a sincere

heart as you would christ

okay a bond servant is referring at the

time

first of all the majority of people were

some kind of bond servant one way or

another like even feudal lords could be

bond servants to their king or something

like that like that was just the chain

of hierarchy that defined the world

before modern republics and universal

states before the existence of universal

states almost everyone was a servant of

some kind

but like

do you think that like people from the

civil rights movement would agree with

that there's an here's a question what

do you think a question for you do you

understand the differences between

biblical slavery and slavery in the

early america yeah slavery and like yeah

and like indentured servitude yeah i

agree that there's

yeah there's a lot more differences

there were rights given to slaves uh

back in the time of the old testament

there was a reference given to slavery

it depends on who you are it depends on

which societies different societies no

the no modern slavery by the way a lot

of people don't know this first of all

modern slavery is completely unique in

the history of mankind compared to every

other type of slavery second of all

modern slavery is the product

of a type of atheistic heretical kind of

gnostic materialism that was took root

after the renaissance which had more to

do with the revival of neoclassicism

and like ancient greece and kind of

paganism and was kind of actually

representing an abandonment of religion

as a matter of fact

the americas was seen by people who

wanted to circumvent the rules of old

europe and the church as well

as like a beacon of like the future and

freedom and like a way to like for

example the conquistadors not many

people know this were like very cynical

uh and particularly after riches a lot

of them they were catholic as [ __ ] what

are you talking about actually a lot of

the conquistadors the people on those

expeditions converted to catholicism

having come from muslim or other

backgrounds sometimes

uh because they had to but actually no

it wasn't the case that they were all

very devoted catholics or well hold on

hold on hold on

from the new international version i do

the king james version but what does it

say in literally verse nine and masters

treat your slaves the same in the same

way do not threaten them since you know

that he who is both their master and

yours is in heaven there is no

favoritism with him uh so yeah i don't

know if you're trying to say that like

the slavery in the americas was like the

same as in the bible where you know the

slave masters were saying i will never

threaten you

i said

i was saying that the people used it as

a justification for the modern day yes

we agree with that yeah we understand

we agree but that verse and the context

of slavery in exodus and in egypt at the

time explain that there is more nuance

and that slaves are not treated the same

as they were in america i'm not even

cool with indentured servitude either i

i know crazy well that's like you could

take

the same argument because you have

classism in hinduism yeah i think

it was

a sleeve system but they're slowly

moving out of that you can use text to

just hurt

yeah actually and the main operative

thing here is that all of

all of that slavery and whatever you

want to call that

all of that was from paganism

none of that was actually the result of

the abrahamic religions

are you pagan

i i do have a hamsa over here but it

wouldn't be um

thank you so much bullet appreciate it a

lot thank you bullet appreciate it

was like the medium by which those

things were you right like justified

right like you were saying about

christianity no it actually has origins

no no it literally has origins and pagan

beliefs

yeah but that's

all

not no not paganism wasn't only a way to

justify them

paganism was also

a lot of these practices

were emerged because of pagan beliefs

in the first place

and by the way yeah

ephesians is literally used by apple

make sure that things are introduced

but if we move forward like way after

those things were introduced then people

at that point are just kind of using it

in the same way that they might use

christianity or something or some other

no because the thing the thing is

is that

humans were never animals we always had

some kind of spirituality

and we you know depending on your view

for a lot of the time when these

civilizations were built that was from

pagans

so these hierarchies and these kinds of

like uh slavery and that kind of stuff a

lot of practices were created by

paganism

i'm not disagreeing with that i'm

talking about the the way like the it

seems like

i mean maybe you're not doing this it

seem it seemed like you were bringing it

up as like a as like a a slam against

like but i'm not like a pagan or

anything i don't know but like if it but

like if for that to be like a dig

against paganism it would also have to

be i feel like in in the way that it was

perpetuating these systems i feel like

it would also have to be a dick at

christianity no because christianity has

led us to the world

that

overthrew these

remnants of paganism

well

couldn't people say that about like

secularism

secularism first of all secularism was

from the 30 days 30 uh years war i'm not

talking about the origins uh yeah but

i'm talking about like how they've been

used right

no no it's not because um

for example the movement against serfdom

and all that kind of stuff

like

uh

all of that's the culmination of

christianity

there's a reason why

yeah there's a reason why like 2 000

years after christianity you have all

these things happen whereas for like 10

000 years total nothing there is not any

kind of movement towards that

okay

i don't know i i think we're talking

past each other but i i yeah i i

understand what you're saying

i mean he's a christian but i don't know

what you expected obviously he's going

to say that stuff is a christian

no he's a catholic i believe are you a

catholic

no i'm actually muslim

kind of based

i could kind of tell you were muslim

yeah muslim wait did i say it right

no probably not

real

so

i i gotta say i'm i'm actually really

glad to get to talk to you i i think i

think that some some of the stuff you

talk about right now is kind of kind of

insane but i i i've really enjoyed your

content um a decent amount i re i loved

when you debated prospective philosophy

and he he was so sure that he like that

he was going to just dominate and he and

he came out of the other side like wow

you actually you actually understand a

lot about this and i honestly it was

really funny so what do you think about

the ukraine russia thing coder i i it

seems pretty bad for those ukrainian

people i i think it's it's not good you

should listen to haas on this issue i've

i've listened to what has to say about

it i think

he's just like oh this nazi country with

a jewish president and jewish prime

minister

yeah that's the dumbest argument i've

ever [ __ ] you probably yeah you don't

think jews can be nazis you probably

believe that hitler was jewish

i don't actually believe hillary was

jewish oh okay i think that's part of an

anti-semitic uh yeah that's that's like

the dumbest thing i've ever heard like

even if we assume that it's not possible

because

the azov wing has no representation in

parliament yet they don't that that's

evid that they had power at one point

the fact that azov has no hold on the

fact that azov has no representation in

parliament is actually proof that azov's

significance and its over-representation

in the um operations of the national

guard doesn't come from the ukrainian

people but a ukrainian deep state which

actually does pull the strings

and zl s for zelensky

zielensky is a [ __ ] actor zolensky

has no power in ukraine at all he's a

[ __ ] actor he was set up for that

position

what's happening right now valencia

survives like we did with ronald like

mecca obama celensky is a nobody he's a

[ __ ] drug addict actor he's literally

a nobody he has no drug drug addict

actors have been just pouncing on you

lately so

you should give us some props for

example

oh that i was making a joke about

destiny but whatever

ricketts

well destiny's waking up now so you

won't be able to i think destiny lost

he's coming to our side is he coming

that's cool he's i i i argue with yours

i think destiny's lost two major debates

the thing is i actually that's actually

something i probably disagree about i

don't think destiny i think destiny's

trying to like do this manipulative

thing where he's trying that a lot too

he's trying to draw people over to the

uh the liberal side but the thing i

think is gonna happen is that the our

side's gonna well your side is gonna win

out and he's gonna be forced to come

over this way so we decided you just

have to keep you know

i don't know

i think uh i think he's always going to

be the mystic of you i think he'll

always go with the democrats no matter

what

i think he'll always hold some of those

beliefs but i think that if he sees the

tides are changing he'll get on the

bandwagon

i don't know what i what i think is that

america is going to increasingly become

more like

clamping down on civil liberties like

this is my prediction right trump 2024

if it fails or if something happens

there's going to be a complete takeover

by the democrats and the deep state

complete curtailment of the constitution

and civil liberties and they're gonna

need propagandist cheerleaders to like

justify all that and i think that's

where destiny's gonna be i think he's

gonna be like at the fore of like

apologizing for how are the democrats

gonna take over in 2024

they're not hopefully well i can't we

can't actually twitch has a policy where

you cannot question the legitimacy of

civil procedures as they call it but as

far as as far as if the election was

borrowed no i'm not i'm not no we're not

talking about that we're just saying

that

why okay yeah let's okay let's say for

example let's say there's like a civil

war that happens which is also very

possible

and the democrats or the deep state they

easily win that because of the lack of

preparation on the other side

then just like january 6th it's going to

be like an unprecedented ability like

january 6 now american citizens are

domestic terrorists

that's the that was the pretext for like

one of their biggest waves of censorship

through big tech ever

and also there's now there's actually

like uh like prosecution from the

government and [ __ ] that got involved

so

i mean yeah i mean that's why trump was

banned from twitter too i mean so

if something like that happens at a

higher scale they're gonna use that to

completely

destroy the constitution

right yeah

these private companies enforcing their

tos is going to destroy all our civil

yeah i love so you're supposed to be a

leftist right

and are you saying that ironically

because i mean it's happening before

your eyes and you still deny it what is

what is happening before my eyes so wait

just because it's a private company

doesn't mean uh it's not a fundamental

curtailment of our freedom of speech

yeah that's like i don't know

i don't think you have a right to a

twitter account

yeah so you don't have a right to

actually express your opinion on what is

considered today's public forum that

people actually

it's not a problem have a voice on

private forum

okay that you what you're saying is

literally a [ __ ] right just because

it's a popular private forum doesn't

make it a public sector okay steve's

government fund you're yeah yeah you're

literally

hold on you're literally calling

yourself a leftist can't so like

okay okay

isn't the relationship between a laborer

and an employer a private relationship

uh sure what about during the shutdowns

too when this was the only public forum

you can get because you couldn't

congregate yeah you're kicking people

off wasn't the only there was other ones

if you want to have it you want it hey

if you want to have a government created

social media go [ __ ] go for it then

you get kicked off yeah hold on first of

all social media is already controlled

by the deep state we all know that it's

all been confirmed everyone knows that

controlled by capital i don't know it's

controlled by the deep slave leftists

but you call it you call it uh the deep

state instead of capital

i didn't know leftism means denying

reality so second of all

yeah

it's and i by the way i don't call

myself [ __ ] leftists so that's okay

second of all

are you anti-capitalist

it's that's just meaningless what do you

mean actually no it's not me anyways

against capitalism

uh i'm against the existing monopolies

i'm against the [ __ ] big tech i'm

against wall street and i'm against the

ruling capitalist class

what does that mean what does that mean

because you say that and then you guys

are like oh uh capitalism i can define

capital i don't believe in everything

being a co-op no and i i believe that

there's going to still be here i'll i'll

define i want to know if you're against

this are you against an economic and

political system in which a country's

trade and industry are controlled by

private owners for profit rather than by

the state then the us is not capitalist

yes it is no it's not

by that definition the usa is not

capitalist right now our trade and

industry are controlled by the state

it's not directly controlled by the

state but it's also not controlled by

private individuals no it's not

corporations are not [ __ ] private

individuals second of all the level of

cooperation between the government

through regulations and corporations

through regulatory capture of course

it's not [ __ ] capitalist what are you

talking about look at the federal

reserve

our [ __ ] interest rates serve as a

private company

exactly and it's guess what it's it's

[ __ ] controlled by the government

it's

it's i thought it has a board and then

they do you have such blurry lines

between what is a corporate private

corporation and what is the government

and you have money moving back and forth

freely across that line you can't really

say it's either or so you're left in

this murky water and that's how the

capitalist system that we're under right

now they use that against us so that we

can't get the things that we want out of

the system and it's not for the people

anymore yeah it's all based on debt too

it's all based on printing money yeah

well like debt is a not like the worst

way to do even like before capitalism

and stuff like that having debt with

other people did you know that it was

actually considered rude to not have a

debt with a fellow merchant okay i can't

believe

in 2022 leftists are literally just

defending debt

yes like you so

so this is what leftism means in 2022

you defend you defend govern

you

you defend [ __ ] uh vaccine mandates

you defend [ __ ] uh private

corporations being ever on you defend

private corporations being able to

censor whoever the [ __ ] they want and

now you're also going to [ __ ] defend

[ __ ] banking financial [ __ ]

capital and debt

now debt is good too what the [ __ ]

uh debt between traders you wanted to

cut me off because you know

i defend users

at this point you're literally just a

satanist at this point they all are not

alone

good economics requires a little

satanism

yeah yeah yeah you're just wrong

like yeah i like having a bank and like

people that can invest into productive

capacity yeah

yeah but having an economy based on debt

is not good

no it's not what's coming in

no i'm not

100 correct you idiots to think that

that's a good idea you need to go back

and reevaluate your [ __ ] education

but having certain kinds of not all debt

is bad

yeah i i would i would say like all that

is created equal right

no actually depending on the debt how

much there is of it all debt is not

created [ __ ] equal you shouldn't make

it i don't mean just the i don't mean

the volume is terrible having a deficit

though is not yeah okay product okay

productive productive loans that are

based on like uh actually uh investing

in productive industries and then

temporarily having it paid off later

okay that's a good type of debt i guess

but hold on

but that's not an economy based on debt

that's an economy based on productivity

not debt

a lot of the debt and productivity go

hand in hand

the point i was trying to make earlier

is that in ancient times when merchants

used to um see it was considered uh rude

to completely pay off your debt with

somebody because it implied you would

never see them again

so like these debts uh and stuff like

that are part of continuing

relationships of course some debts are

bad and i think the i think most of i

think most people

talked about our goal i think that most

people who ever come into contact you

want to pay their debt off with you

hey what do you think of payday loans

ellen oh i think those are terrible

so what do you think the difference

between usury and payday loans is

i think not all usury is made equal

i think that i would rather uh the

government take uh completely take

control of the payday loan industry and

become the people who are and then

usury

make people not uh there be a limit

based on like how much debt you can

accrue make it a percentage of how much

you uh

you get i think like or make the in make

the uh what you call

may uh make the um

interest enough to

disincentivize just doing it randomly

all the time but make it small enough to

where it's accessible to make economy uh

the economy go smoother

joe trump

why don't we look at the wikipedia

article for usury just because i

honestly don't don't know much about the

history of like how this word was used

and i thought it was interesting that

like i feel like we're maybe like

jumping around with definitions

i i thought when you said usury

initially that we were just talking

about like charging interest of any kind

right but i mean apparently i mean now

it's more synonymous with like it's

almost tautologically uh the unethical

or immoral monetary loans the un the

unfairly enriched lender so i would be

against that um

but uh i i mean i'm not just against

charging interest so i think that that

point of clarification is good if we're

going to continue talking about u3

yeah what's up c tv oh he just left he

left

all right

i'm such a ctv head i'm in the wolf pack

oh

at all i didn't realize that it implied

unreasonably high rates of interest

obviously

i'm pretty sure usury is basically like

any type but usually it's like a type of

security like when you invest in

something you get a guarantee that

you're somehow going to get the money

back and that guarantee is what makes it

user use the basic idea is that

by insisting on that guarantee you're

denying you

claiming that you know what god's

like plan is for what's going to happen

like that definition means that you're

like against betting at that point no

because you no no no you can bet

but you can't have a guarantee you're

going to get the money back

yeah i mean usually with usury

has to be clear to be clear haas right

that's gambling and gambling is

something that you would be and i would

be against too right gambling is is

where you don't have a guarantee so yeah

gambling yeah but

it's it's not just gambling because the

investment is usually going to be like

rational like it's going to

invest in an enterprise and if it

performs well

then you'll you'll get a profit and if

it doesn't then you made an unwise

investment you know yeah so i get the

difference there right one is like a

potential investment where it is a

gamble versus like another like a payday

loan situation

or like just making a bet right that

being a real gamble because

you're also getting the chance that

you'll be able to pay off the thing

before the the the kick-ass interest

[ __ ] kicks in and the next thing you

know you're indebted your your next two

children you know what i mean yeah and

also actually yeah and another important

thing though is that like gambling is

based on like pure chance

flip that whereas

the productive investment that's like

there is a divine plan i'm just talking

theologically but you just don't know

what it is you only know what it is

after it happens

does that make sense

yeah it's like you you're you're taking

a chance on the capabilities of the

people that you have working towards

your goal versus like taking a chance on

the system that is completely either

random or organized in such a way where

they know who the winner is going to be

ahead of time kind of like being the

house exactly in the casino yeah yeah

yeah like i i think hot super high

interest rates are bad i'm

payday loan stuff like that should not

be a uh

like i i don't think that industry is

heavily predatory i don't think there's

anything wrong with i like having a

place you can go to get a two hundred

dollar bat and then after that you have

to you have to decide what i mean

you have to decide what loans are okay

and then what

um how about we just make them all legal

right exactly

so you're still kind of the same place

you are now because you're gonna have

people to push the line

and then it's gonna happen all over

again is what i mean a lot of people

would say well i mean well like we

really need to reinstate glass-steagall

where we make a distinction between

commercial banking and investment

banking i would have supported that yeah

but

see like the thing is is that this guy

whatever his name ellen you you believe

in like the green new deal so you

basically believe in stripping america

of its real industries

and replacing it with things that cannot

produce any networks you have not

produced any uh thing to say that

renewable energy cannot

uh cannot uh meet future demand it

cannot renewable energy cannot replace

oil in terms of industrial growth

it's not enough to fuel the growth and

development of new industries so if you

want to be even if we have the ability

if you want to bring manufacturing back

to america and you want to bring back

like heavy industry jobs

then at the at any type of significant

scale renewable energy is not going to

be able to sustain we got a super chat

no my bad sorry i forgot to mute myself

no keep going keep going you got

brittany all excited

i thought he was going to say something

but you want me to read the super chat

why not

s

to more traditional denominations of the

church

what's up can i demand doyle that would

be fun

you think you would stand a chance

i would destroy doyle you would destroy

oil dude you can't you can't keep up

with me

you would not

keep up with both of you with my hands

behind my back no no you can't

you realize you do realize this is the

internet and your hands swinging behind

your back don't actually make a damn

difference right

hold on that being said let's get back

on topic right thomas jefferson

addressed this issue way back in the day

on the floor of congress when he said if

the american people ever allow private

banks to control the issue of their

currency first by inflation then by

deflation the banks and corporations

that will grow up around them will

deprive the people of all property until

their children wake up homeless on the

continent their fathers conquered i

believe that banking institutions are

more dangerous to our liberties than

standing armies the issuing power should

be taken from the banks and restored to

the people to whom it properly belongs

this is why andrew jackson's awesome

oh yeah

also i i've learned that oh let's go

dude i've i've learned that uh hamilton

i've learned hamilton

hamilton is always in his famous last

words where i killed the banks

right ah yes sir

let's flip and glow also alexander

hamilton i've heard got a bad rap and he

was actually good like he be he promoted

uh

a developmentalist economy where banks

were actually be used by the government

to promote manufacturing and promote

industry here

yeah that's why you caught that shot

honestly he had a lot of really good

wraps in the musical no no that's why

that's why that's why he caught that

that's why he caught this honestly

that's why he caught that sweet shot you

guys remember that right by aaron

yeah yeah sweet shot bro we shot

but the uh i i have no problem with more

democratic control of the the banks as

far as it um

per as it creates more human happiness

and more human wealth

uh in the average banks create more

human happiness so literally yeah

yeah i literally don't need banks or

governments to create human happiness i

need banks and and corporations to

create the exhibitions of human beings

to be able

right to exchange commerce and human

beings to be able to get their own

happiness ctv do you the pursuit of

happiness is the american dream the

pursuit he agrees with you ctv i think

that's probably like the conclusion no

wait so ellen why do you believe in a

green new deal what is it ellen what is

the green new deal then that you want

the green deal wasn't even like actual

legislation it was like a loose proposal

right yeah

i'd rather the manufacturing sector for

it be here than somewhere else

okay but we are not actually going to

replace fossil fuels anytime soon

even if we even if we don't completely

uh replace fossil fuels i would rather

the production and export of the solar

panels and windmills and all the stuff

that's going to go towards that so you

know so you know about windmills and

what they do

they kill birds right they kill hella

bears they don't last cancer they don't

they don't last and no one cares to

repair them

yeah that's what happens yeah

specifically there's a bunch of them

broken down in the in the midwest where

they've got them all put up they're

broken down they fall apart

like lines and [ __ ] too no pipelines are

inherently different because you don't

have an electric motor attached to

[ __ ] fin blades they're trying to

spin casa leaf right so like here's the

reality is it what they don't explain to

you is that these windmills are

producing ac electricity right and then

has to potentially either go into the

system so that it's supplying steady

electricity or potentially some battery

system and then you're trying to hold

the power and that right there is

inherently where your problem comes in

either you have to actively be running

electric motors to produce ac

electricity for the system or you have

to be able to store that energy in such

a way to where then it can go back into

that system but the problem whenever you

exchange the energy for either ac to dc

there's always a loss of energy through

heat right so either way you're losing

on that deal and

the only way to keep it is to figure out

ways to be able to produce that energy

without producing as many carbon out or

as much carbon output nuclear power is

that

hydroelectricity is that right but

whenever you're using these other forms

it just doesn't it doesn't work out the

same like if you wanted to you know to

do if you wanted to have individuals put

a battery system and solar panels inside

their own home to help supplement the

system well that's one way to approach

it right that's actually the very best

way to approach it but whenever you try

to start making this system

exponentially big right to where like

it's now it's covering acres and acres

of land right to try to then move that

electricity that was gathered in this

field where the solar panels were all

put up to go into the battery system so

then it can be supplying the ac system

that is much larger to many much more

people you then don't have the ability

to account for surges in the system for

say like summer months whenever there's

more air conditioners running right or

potentially in the winter where there's

more electric heaters running right so

because you don't have the because then

there's the lows whenever the the

temperatures are good and then it's also

going to depend on where you're at and

how much energy you're going to actually

be needing to use to keep people

comfortable

that's why you got to have you got to

have fossil fuels right now because you

don't have nuclear power plants to be

able to take that load and that's what

you're going to have to have for that

next step

yeah and you need the space and isn't

there a problem with the batteries too

you're going to mine for the batteries

and you have to dispose of the batteries

too so they act like it's going to be

great for the environment but it's going

to have just as many issues as anything

else that we're using right now

i mean obviously you won't have all the

carbon going in the air but still it's

not um

all right so ellen what policies do you

want as a radical democrat

what do you want

um i would like a student i would like

as many uh financial barriers education

eradicated

uh outstanding i'm glad we agree the

first thing you can do is get yourself a

smartphone or an internet capable device

so that you can look up any questions

you have

well yeah but i'm i need like uh just

take all those stuff for like degrees

and stuff like that like i think which

are meaningless degrees

do you surprise

would you

isn't that what the politician biden

promised

i don't support all loan debt

so but biden promised that didn't he for

his election campaign

i didn't expect him to follow through

with it i just voted for him because he

wasn't trump okay so who do you trust

would follow through with that

oh that kills me [ __ ] there's so many

things because a lot of this debt

industries has gotten so big that it's

literally gigantic percentages of our

gdp

like i want i think a big reason why a

lot of politicians don't want to touch

health care or all these things because

i think like health care industries like

health insurance accounts for like five

percent can you answer the question what

politicians do you support

um

i guess like

sanders because they're the best we have

at the point i i i can't really vote for

right so what has bernie done for anyone

oh uh he has supported many uh social

issues he's what has he done for people

what has he actually given to people

bernie i got an answer for you i'll tell

you a hot what what bernie's done for

people he got him all excited thinking

there was going to be some kind of

change and then when the moment came for

him to be able to either step up to the

plate and actually fight back against

his own constitu or is his own party

right and take the mantle that the

people that were supporting him wanted

to he was like

well can you come out and support joe

biden

we all know he didn't have enough

support to do what let's say he did not

have the as much power as you're laying

it out like in that moment like hold on

i think

more than joe biden

yeah

apparently not apparently not at all

right

apparently

why did okay then why did biden i don't

like the way i don't i don't like the

way that the democratic party does their

primaries uh the republican party you're

just making excuses so what do you do no

no this is an excuse

on all one day across the country

i would be okay with that instead of

like screwing people across okay so

you're talking about what you want but

what do you support concretely to

realize your goals

oh like in terms of like

uh i guess i would just uh vote for more

socialists um get more involved in your

local communities

all right so yeah i think i think what

you're trying to say is that

vote democrat forever every election

yeah

little blue no matter who

vote blue until there's something better

when and and when will there be

something better

you still don't want to do it i wonder

if swirly was opposed

who's who's somebody who's been better

yeah who's been trump was better i'm

trump

he was better trump was way better trump

was way better trump started a [ __ ]

trade war for china with china for no

[ __ ] reason

right now what are you talking about

yeah yeah he started the soy trade war

and and biden and biden sanctioned one

of the biggest oils

i don't want any of it oh but it wasn't

a war on soybeans we had to give three

billion dollars to our soy farmers

because we got into an unnecessary trade

yeah and the thing is the chinese

actually liked that trade work is it

helped

it helped them too and we both benefited

from it so what's the problem we both

benefit from that we have to give three

billion dollars to our phone yeah

american industry gets promoted and

chinese industry gets promoted and it's

good old competition we just got [ __ ]

yeah i don't know about that yeah we did

we absolutely so what's going on right

now for the average american the average

amer like what i would have i wanted

those those uh the child tax credit to

continue

that would have been great

uh that the amount of the amount of

money why did most americans uh against

the child tax credit did they vote

against the child taxes they were pulled

against it

who who was pulled against it what poll

when they were asked only like

61 said they did not want to see it

reinstated in the next deal

what poll is this well i guess it's good

that it wasn't then that's democrat from

last year look up polling look up the uh

the unpopularity of the child tax rate

it's well known it's not popular why was

it unpopular i don't know can't even

post it

it's not unpopular because people

associate it with the exorbitant

spending that's uh corresponded to the

inflation which is what they actually

have a problem with do you think that

the the uh large amount of social

spending is what contributed to today's

inflation

in part yes absolutely

how much of a part though

spending in general has all spent well

if that's true then how come japan

germany and hungary have not been able

to spend their way out of their

deflation crisis

why have they not been able to spend

their way out of it

yeah because if

because you can't spend your way out of

any crisis

yes you can no well

yeah you can yeah we know you can't

with covid we definitely spended our way

out of that crisis no we didn't the

crisis is still here

what do you think in terms of people

getting it but in terms of like how bad

it could have been economically it could

have been so it's that bad economically

it's bad it's very bad economically but

it could have been so much worse

that's one of the few things that i

think trump did well

was the amount of social spending we did

in the aftermath of kovid if we would

have been that uh

on the ball for like 2008 that's right

that wouldn't have taken so does money

come from trees do you just like spend

money and throw it at the economy

honestly something big dimension is is

just kind of a wake-up call for any you

know more right-leaning people it is you

know just a big slap in the face like

you know the the spending of what 15

billion dollars on ukraine passes like

overnight and then 13.6 billion or 15

point something billion dollars which

were literally allocated to be uh

stimulus for covid uh the the republican

party just starts talking about we need

to cut spending somewhere like right you

know part of me is just like dude i just

give money to families just do yeah

absolutely and republican well the

difference is that like republicans um

uh you know obviously there's a

bickering and there's you know throwing

stuff into the bill but republicans will

happily spend for foreign wars and then

when it comes to you know actually

spending on american families they're

like well we need to cut spending and

what can we cut away what's the famous

tupac lyric you know

i have no idea

how you ever listened to tupac oh they

got money from hello genius you just you

just [ __ ] named a rapper that has

been pretty influential over the last 20

years of [ __ ] social media and you

say you remember that one [ __ ] that

one quote there was a [ __ ] lot of

them are you [ __ ] me come on man

we're talking about

we talking about like [ __ ] icp who

just barely had a [ __ ] name in the

[ __ ] industry we're talking about

tupac okay okay yeah but i want to hear

the question

always have money for wars but could

never feed the poor that was just the

one

how about how about eisenhower he was

pretty good too

i like yeah he he made a good highway

system so ellen what exactly do you

stand for because talk to your parents

you seem to be so angry politically

that you've decided to resort to like

endless every tweet i make you respond

to it you're always [ __ ] on my case

so what are you actually so strong in

your convictions about

that i don't know i'm not a big fan of

atrocity denial i'm not what what

atrocities specifically they're taking

the taking of agency from uh the ukraine

so you've mentioned two things and you

haven't explained

either of them so explain that can you

expand on that i'm trying to understand

what you're getting at well oh like just

like uh simping for russians war

russia's war of aggression the russian

imperialism

uh

is kind it's kind of disgusting you know

it's uh it's really gross to do i as a

leftist am practically against did you

find the um killing of the people of the

dawn bass for eight years gross

yeah

did you even know about it conflict yeah

i do about it is there any record

is there any record of you condemning it

or expressing your disgust or anything

like that

my account wasn't made in march so

your account on twitter was made in

march

yeah

you made a twitter account just to

harass me

no uh that just happened to happen

okay did you know

is there any evidence you knew about

donbass existing before february i've

known about

i haven't had an online thing for

more than he's a paid operative from dgg

yeah i don't know i actually know the

dnc

the dm

dnc

when people being killed but russia

is still right yeah the problem here the

property

is killing was a

sponsored by russia sponsoring

separatists in the region hold on wait

wait wait so because the people in the

donbass rejected the results of a coup

that overthrew their president that 98

percent of them voted for

that they decided to declare their

independence

what your goddamn mind thinks that is a

fair vote

thank you well that was like how many

wait are you saying that

are you saying that

hold on but that was ukraine's electoral

system that was the ukrainian electoral

system come on no you're deflecting here

what am i deflecting they overwhelmingly

supported yanukovych do you think crimea

was uh was legitimate

absolutely

uh you're full of [ __ ] yeah the crimeans

you go through the correct channels to

get one i i i wanna i wanna ask uh this

this new guy dan the step

what about the crimean election was

illegitimate

uh much of the legitimacy

was done through pressure

and coercion

can you give examples of that coercion

well you mean you we had a whole terror

country of russian invading the region

of course wait what happened before that

yeah yeah just but this you're just not

you're just deflecting wait if we assume

there's an invasion look at this

hold on what am i def just because i'm

pushing back and disagreeing with what

you're saying doesn't mean i'm

deflecting

you're saying that

you're trying to make it seem like

russia invaded then at gunpoint had

people that is exactly what happened

wait but before these uh russian

invasion the people of crimea came out

in droves to protest the parliament to

declare independence uh that was just a

russian color revolution that wasn't

do you have any evidence of that being a

color revolution i have as much evidence

of it as you do of the one it being one

in kiev so can you give me any examples

of crimean popular will being uh against

independence from ukraine yeah when the

tatars and uh the other minority groups

who are a minority of the population yes

also because they're minorities that

don't matter okay that's not what i said

in a so-called democracy majority rules

doesn't it

yeah but i don't think the majority was

represented considering what the what

were the two options on the referendum

independence or join russia

okay so what about for people who wanted

to remain with ukraine

um

they

they were they had no voice in crimea

practically none

uh why

because they were so marginal in such a

minority it wasn't even on the itinerary

at that point it wasn't even on the

agenda i'm sure uh do you think putin

maybe had a vested interest in crimea

due to natural gas regions being found

in the black sea

no i think the

i wasn't afraid of the smart thing to

say that the smart thing would be to say

that it's because of crimea sports not

because of gas in the black sea russia

has plenty of gas

yeah they had plenty of gas but they

would have had diminished influence

because you had a westernized country on

their border that through fracking all

of a sudden had the potential to become

europe's second petrol state and

completely diminished okay russia's

geopolitical uh the only reason russia

the only reason russia was ever able to

invade anywhere whether that's we're

talking about in osasia abkhazia

transnistria or now we're talking about

dawn donbass or crimea

it's because the peoples living in those

regions overwhelmingly are against the

status quo existing there and when you

have a an illeg constitutionally

illegitimate coup that throws

sovereignty up in the air and it does

allow people to say if you're going to

have a coup we're just going to declare

our independence from you and they do

have a right to do that

becoming part of russia hold on you

you need evidence for me that the south

ossetians were overwhelmingly

pro-russian

uh no well what was the um like what was

the the [ __ ] uh justification

what what why

why

because like i said because like i said

before in the aftermath of the fall of

the soviet union the south ossetians

were fighting with the georgians

to join north ossetia because the

georgian parliament as it out purely out

of georgian chauvinistic nationalist

aggression decided to dissolve any all

of the autonomy the south ossetians used

to have under the soviet union was

completely removed their parliament

their governance their autonomy

completely gone so the southwest asians

wanted to join the north ossetians who

had more autonomy under russia than they

would ever have under georgia and that

was the origin of the under russia what

can you do you have a source for that

what moral autonomy can i get from what

i said what no not moral sorry what

autonom what more autonomy did osasia

get from joining with russia they didn't

join with russia no what would they have

gotten what kind of auto the same one

that's enjoyed by north ossetia

okay which is

uh i would north ossetia uh to my

knowledge as independent governance

north ossetia let me see what are you

gonna categorize you didn't know i just

hear you googling right now it's a

republic it's

what i didn't know was whether it was a

republic or an obla a blast or whatever

it's a republic so chechnya is a

republic within russia as well russia

has republics within the federation

that's why it's called the russian

federation

and um

it's like an autonomous republic within

russia

at the end of the day

obviously at the highest level of

sovereignty the russian federation

okay

yeah but you try to paint it like this

black and white thing like russia bad

anywhere they go into doesn't want

russia there and they fight against them

it's not

that's not the case there's so much

history and there's so many different

peoples there that you can't just boil

russia has less to offer than the west

does

so okay that may be your opinion that is

not the view house opinion the okay

sure

hold on

that's not the view shared by the people

in eastern ukraine or crimea who

overwhelmingly supported yanukovych who

was illegally deposed and at that point

they didn't want hat

all right you're laughing what was uh

legal about the deposition of yanukovych

yeah what was legal about his

impeachment according to the

constitution of ukraine i love it when

my president runs away to russia

i love when my president does that oh my

god

okay

so

yanukovych was um legally voted

according to ukrainian's constitution to

be the president of ukraine according to

the constitution of ukraine you would

have needed 338 members of the

parliament to impeach yanukovych only

328

voted to impeach him which did not reach

the constitutional requirement despite

that he was ousted from presidency was

that uh constitutional according to the

laws of ukraine

i don't know and i don't care

exactly so that's really kind of what it

boils down to right

so i'm talking to the dan guy though i'm

talking to the doctor russia bad guy

russia back you guys don't care about

the history you don't care about what's

happening you don't care about what the

people there want i don't care

and then maybe they'll stop getting

the zelensky

of so many ukrainians the russian

russian occupation control of ukraine

would lead to less deaths zilensky is

sending out meat shields right now is

that is that why people are getting

arrested in red square for holding blank

signs honestly that is not as bad as

sending people into a war that you can

never do

the

the key point here is that the ukrainian

government knows as of now nato is not

going to intervene in this conflict they

have no chance against russia whatsoever

they may as well agree

they should agree to russia's terms

of neutrality no nato weapons on their

soil and give up crimea in eastern

ukraine and then it's over it's that

simple it's the best of two bad options

at this point i mean

everybody wants to say oh fight to the

death dude i mean well if you choose to

fight to the death over it you can't

portray russia as this monster that's

your choice

exactly yeah because russia russia would

dude russia is not going to lose that

much they're going to easily win the

conflict ukraine knows they're going to

lose this war and if you go into a war

knowing you will lose

then you are you know you are complacent

in the slaughter of millions of people

who would

would have honestly been fine under you

know under a a russian they'd be better

off than they are right now iranians

that are being deported inside into

inside of russia how they feel right now

ukrainians

uh they are taking ukrainians from uh

the east and putting them deep into

russia wait you realize those were

refugees who are leaving because their

lives are being threatened

the real pro the real problem here is

though is that we've got leftists or

people representing the left on this

panel right that don't actually give a

[ __ ] about history and how we got to

where we are today and then feel like

that they should have i know

it takes like an actually explain to me

explain how the [ __ ] we got here explain

we got here because uh ukraine gave up

their nukes and they probably wrong

yeah that's right off the bat it's it's

wrong

it's [ __ ] wrong you have to go back

no no no no no no no no

no tv talk let's see tv talk because

here's here's the reality right we ended

up here because our elected

representatives felt like that keeping

nato together after the fall of the

soviet union was such a cash cow that

they just keep pushing that [ __ ]

money and without any kind of regard and

you know it's [ __ ] true right

i'm not talking i'm just going to get

so so after right they follow the soviet

union our elected representatives kept

pushing this cash cow and building up a

standing army right and you don't even

know the founders principles right

standing armies are dangerous to liberty

so as soon as you start building up this

standing arming

in europe right as keep pushing back

against russia you're continuing to

escalate uh the military presence there

and the force of it and then you want to

tell russia oh well we want to bring you

into the the the the [ __ ] the the

nation the league of nations or whatever

the [ __ ] the the international

[ __ ] table to be yeah but while the

same time you're putting a [ __ ] gun

at him if i'm an american you point a

gun at me i'll tell you to [ __ ] off bro

we got a big [ __ ] problem

nobody was brought to uh nato at

gunpoint everybody that was part of nato

dude that's not what he said he said

russia was being threatened at gunpoint

to join the so-called civilized

international community

to invade russia nato was never ever

yeah that does it hold on that's like

saying that's like saying you have a gun

to someone's head your mind and to

threaten and to check russia that's why

nato exists nato is the militaristic arm

of an evil liberal globalist empire

and russia is standing against that

which is why they need to destroy russia

they need to take away the independence

rather the uh dependents that certain

countries in europe have on russia

eventually down the road they're

probably gonna wanna and this is why you

have people like lindsey graham saying

this people like lindsey graham say you

know we should kill putin or somebody

needs to assassinate him like the reason

they say this is because they know that

they are in some ways either through oil

or through you know a vote on the

security council dependent on russia and

they're not comfortable with that

because russia represents things that

are not western and libya we are

dependent on russian oil you think us is

dependent on russian oil uh we certainly

suffered without the international oil

market is dependent on russian oil shut

the [ __ ] up how much uh how much uh

russian oil is is in the amer american

market that's not what determines the

price of oil

what percentage of russia i think it's

like less than 10

yeah okay so and it's weird because the

price of oil

per barrel is now

less than what it was when we had less

lesser prices so obviously it's

corporate greed using currencies

in their [ __ ]

pockets how regulated that [ __ ]

industry is don't even bother speaking

about it for the rest of this panel

i am going to bet 100 i'm going to bet

100 to one that ctv knows more about the

regulation of the industry than you do

yeah you've continuously lied you've

continuously acted like you're more

intelligent and that you know more than

you do i do not trust you on this issue

i do not this whole time no

i don't think i've done that once you

just did it yeah i think i did that

all right

i think the other day absolutely like no

are you like blind too i don't think i

held up the okay sign people are gonna

have to correct me but i don't think

i've done this once

you know what that is you know what that

is about that that's an interesting

conversation because you know everyone

shits on like the adl or whatever for

recognizing it is like a hate symbol

it's very scary so anyone who uses it

must be like a hateful white supremacist

right like that's that's what sounds

really scary about the adl like

recognizing that but but i think like

all that all that recognition says is

that like there are people who are using

it in that way and i think that's true i

think there are white supremacists who

do use that as a signal to each other

and i think that is a problem i think we

should know that uh especially if we

want to be aware of like what kinds of

white supremacists or

organizations are like you know but i'm

personally a guy nothing fell for it

literally yeah that's that right there's

the whole joke you're right yeah people

with the levels written on the ceiling

ironically so it's not just okay even

okay listen even if that's true hold on

even if that's true who gives a [ __ ] why

don't you just focus on what people say

instead of what hand gestures they use

like who gives a [ __ ]

one thing to focus on i'm not saying

it's the end of the story or anything

like that though i'm like come on i'm

going to i'm going to tell you exactly

where this came from right because the

first time she saw it was at the

military academies right this is where

this came from if you do oh you see that

yeah

what about hold on

pepe the frog was a white supremacist

symbol pepe the frog and now it's all

used by everyone on twitch it's

absolutely used by them as well yeah

yeah but look at it now

this is always how it goes it's like

guys what if we what if we convinced the

mainstream media to do the okay signer

that it was a nazi symbol and then they

made it a nazi symbol and then nazi said

oh

that's funny let's do it well okay

okay this is not the own you think it is

you created

you created the hate symbols that's what

we're saying

you could say like you have that

drinking milk is racist and guess what

we'll do it

because you're the idiots you're the

golden idiot

for everything

we make it

reality because we are enthusiastic

we are a

kai why are you putting words in my

mouth why don't you just talk to me like

an adult

because

okay no more baby talk you fell

hate symbols you created them

true you did create as soon as you start

as soon as your side started painting

that narrative right that this is a w

and then this is a p

right that's when all the other white

supremacists went hey you know what

you're [ __ ] right and then they

started doing it that's the problem

then you've got dumb asses to follow

along with it right and unless you're

saying white supremacists aren't

dumbasses or anybody that follows their

life via racial lines right and that's

what you know you're saying that they're

not dumb asses right which you obviously

are not i'm not necessarily saying that

it wasn't a thing before that

thank you

so helpful i would like i would like to

say that i don't personally know for

sure whether or not it was a leftist who

first recognized that oh this could be a

wp or if it was a nazi but

i don't think you do either and i don't

think that you're asserting that it was

the left who first initially used

this resources

okay okay so here's how it always

happens one or two people like on 4chan

make like a graphic that looks legit

enough and then the

oh i thought i thought that coder left

no oh what the who left

ellen

ellen

what let me check the discord what's

going on i don't know what uh who else

left

i don't know it's just happening so fast

anyway

we're talking about like we were talking

about ukraine and i pulled it over to

the but you guys brought up the the

white stuff yeah well i mean it's like

one dude who makes a good graphic and

they're like i wonder if the mainstream

media will fall for this and then they

do and they're the ones like it goes

from one or two people talking about it

to the mainstream media pushing it to

thousands of people and then once the

mainstream media has pushed it you've

literally done like all the work for

making it a popular thing so pepe the

frog boom the media blew that into

popularity and made it represent what it

does that was the media's fault it's

true you know it was like

tongue-in-cheek used to something to see

if the media would catch on to it but

once they did it became what it was the

media is always the responsible party in

creating symbols isn't that convenient

for the people who are like using these

things in that way initially like like

it's convenient they can always say that

not even well it was it didn't actually

mean that until the media said it meant

that we didn't no no actually until then

right no it did mean that it's just that

the media makes it a symbol before it's

just like this thing that people are

throwing around the media propels it

into the public space it gives it you

know the idea of it to thousands of

people and i would popularize a team

i wouldn't say that it meant that to

begin with i had never heard that in my

whole life but what i did hear was when

i joined the navy right then that whole

[ __ ] joke and you know you get

[ __ ] punched that's when i [ __ ]

heard that [ __ ] i never heard it used

before that the first time that i did

hear it used is when left-wing media

sources like msn nbc yada yada yada

start pushing that narrative at the

military academy were like there's white

racism inside of our military right and

then boom this [ __ ] gets [ __ ] pushed

out it wasn't being used like that

before if it had i probably would have

saw it at some point maybe sons of

anarchy right or some other [ __ ]

major tv show except it wasn't a [ __ ]

thing until the media started putting it

out that it was the military academy

that was doing it and oh it's white

power this is what this is supposed to

colloquially mean that's the point yeah

so so the way

i wonder when the media is going to

start saying that the gorillas and sons

is like a fascist symbol or some [ __ ]

there's nobody

a lot of people don't know

it's one dude um who like take for

instance the milk drinking thing one guy

on like 4chan makes a post where he's

like uh ha ha you know here's a racist

interpretation of something that

actually has no actual racist meaning

for instance like the white power thing

here's a way that we can interpret this

thing that nobody uses with a racist

connotation racistly and sure i mean

they're attaching kind of that idea to

it they're saying this is a way we can

interpret this to be racist but they're

doing it as a joke and they're seeing if

the media will bite and the media does

but you know what is

this and the joke is

so that joke the interpretation of

something that is totally uh innocuous

as being white power i agree now

i agree that's the the point is that

it's innocuous but i believe that the

that that deliberate innocuously comes

from the right who's using it i i think

that's where it's initiated yeah do you

think that 4chan are really all white

nationalists

no i don't think fortune's all white

nationalists i never [ __ ] said that

they're mostly federal agents now right

well yeah that's that's like the whole

point though they make a thread saying

let's make this thing this even though

it's not and it'll be funny because the

media will take off with it and that's

like that's the whole point to joke

it's not okay so if the way so if the

way that you get the media to catch on

to how you're using a symbol is to use

the symbol in that way then i don't

[ __ ] care what your intention was

you're still using the symbol to promote

white supremacy like i don't give a [ __ ]

it's all for the meme we're just trying

to get the media to report on us doing

this thing that we're doing like what

the [ __ ] yeah because that's what the

media reports on dude that well that's

what they that's what they did in this

case right it seems to be the case

do you have reports that are like

showing like made up [ __ ] like very

obviously like um like like the when

this was coming up right it seems like

you guys have so much foundational

knowledge about exactly how this was

carried out and i don't know

yeah i saw the threads i wouldn't be

talking out of my ass otherwise yeah but

i have to say 4chan threads sorry i'm

not that autistic i'm not asking for

[ __ ] 4chan threads i don't know yeah

so the reality here coder is that the

media fell for a bad joke no no here it

is

hold on they fell they fell for a bad

[ __ ] joke right and then once they

fell for that bad joke then after the

fact they want to say oh but here's the

thing it came from the the you know the

more white supremacist groups yada yada

but they just fell for the bad joke

without any substantiation of the claim

and they just ran with it and this is

lockstep with what they've been doing to

us as far as getting good information

that's why fake news even became a

[ __ ] slogan right it's because they

do that [ __ ] a lot

well and here it is by the way

on this this specific thing being like

fake news so okay so here it is

there's there's the screenshot literally

from like the original thread on 4chan

says uh it's a picture of mel gibson

then it's a picture of the okay hand

sign somebody's drawn on the w and the p

and it says we must flood twitter and

other social media websites with spam

claiming that the okay hand sign is a

symbol of white supremacy make fake

accounts with basic white girl names and

type stuff like omg that's so true use

as many emojis as you please it would be

good for us to associate the okay sign

of being a symbol of white supremacy

because mel gibson used it use the

hashtag

power or hand privilege

in all of your tweets and what not

related to this bonus points if your

profile pick is something related to

supporting feminism leftists have dug

their stuff so deep into lunacy uh we

must force them to dig more until the

rest of society ain't going anywhere

near that and that's always the

intention it is to make left look like

the lunatics because they start raving

about the stuff that's intelligent

i agree yes yes and then it's used and

then like like verified people on

twitter michael lee using it about

richard spencer and milo yiannopoulos

milo yiannopoulos was a big subject of

that same thing used by

stephen miller at the white house and

then at um the okay hand sign during the

kavanaugh trial i don't know if you saw

that

um and uh oh hold on this is a new one

to me

so well can we back up because what

you're telling me is that you you're

showing me this you're telling me about

this thread where they describe the

thing they're gonna do which i just kept

saying that they went on to do and then

the media reported on and you're telling

me this is the threat that initiated

them starting to do that thing and

you're telling me this proves me wrong

yes yes because because you're

unless i've unless i've totally

misunderstood you your claim is that it

was used intentionally that way by

individuals first and then the media

picks up on it and then everybody knows

they use it that way my argument is that

they didn't even use it that day they

totally fabricated it nobody used this

to mean white supremacy ever they

totally made it up

before you do this guys uh it's getting

late for me i gotta go but uh

i'll be on here more more often you know

this is fun yeah yeah okay see you guys

later

you need to do a 2v2 debate or something

yeah yeah we'll get something going

pleasantly surprised all right have a

good night guys i'll see you

you have a good later