UKR-RUSSIA TRUTH (EXPOSING DISINFO) / ADAM SOMETHING IS A LIAR! [2022-03-19]

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wance you guys to understand you don't understand you really fuck and don't you just don't write no matter what i say it doesn't fuck and matter

it gos over your fucking head can you guys tell me what a lie is what is a lie l i e what is a lie it doesn't matter does it matter anymore we live in the post truth era truth does not matter no one actually cares about truth

all people care about is authority and power people don't respect the language of truth they have completely you guys think i'm just saying that that's what really gets to me is it's how you know you guys really think i'm just saying that and i'm just sitting here saying i'm complaining about truth but really

i'm talking about some bias type of no i'm talking about the sky blue level of truth and it doesn't fuck and matter anymore and that's what really drives me insane can yous tell me i'm not signaling you my partisan position i'm not signaling to your buckan ideology i'm talking about black and

right truth i'm really talking about right and right truth i'm talking about that level of fucking lying

ok

it's like

doesn't fucking truth matter

at all

maybe if you get away with a small lie it doesn't matter but this is a pretty fucking big lie

for a guy who almost has one million subscribers

and this already seven hours ago it has ten thousand likekes ok that's ten thousand likekes

ok

so i'm trying to ask you

does truth

you know the reason i'm saying this guy's dic whenever i was in your shoes whenever i was watching in your shoes guys and i'd watch

influencers or streamers or celebrities or politicians complain about lies and truth i always thought you know what

they're coping because every lie has a grain of truth in it

right there's got to be a grain of truth

and i'd be like okay he's talking about lies but it's not literal it's not really a literal lie

well this is a literal lie

this is a fucking literal lie

i don't know how to fucking tell you that our enemies are just

you know p i'm so glad putin coined the term empire of lies

because that is exactly what we're up against here we are up against an empire of lies and adam ththing has made a lot of videos about the ukraine russia conflict and this piece o shit scum bag this fucking lying dirt bag piece of shit

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you're going to see his

fense of commitment to the truth just in this post so whatever you've seen from his videos just assume

that he regards the ukraine russia conflict with the same level

of

lying right

he regards it with the same level of chliice disregard for the facts

and outright lying as he does

his description

of this plan debate we were going to have

and that's why this is really important this isn't just about him lying just about this

when someone lies about something like this it's they're going to lie about other things too right

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and this actually is a reflection of the rest of his videos about the ukraine russia conflict among other things now let's talk for a minute about adam something

so this is a you know one million subscriber andy he was clearly astro turfed clearly fed shit

right

ah he made a video about elon musk and he's basically represents every soy male

liberal um you know couck whatever fucking beta mail

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yeah

and whatever you want to fuck and call it right these are basically just

you know these nerdy kids in high school and college who are like political science nerds

and they the they just rule following people whatever we don't have to get into it right

so ok

i want to just walk you guys through this so i'm going to pretend i'm going to be has and i'm going to be a neutral audience

and we're going to

guys you sld care about facts and shoul care about the truth so let's just walk through this right

am i really that scary

this is what he opens it with am i really that scary

i don't know well what does he mean by that he made this whole post

nine point seven thousand likes

and he's saying am i really that scary what does he mean by that

i was supposed to do a twov do debate

on the russian invasion with destiny on modern day debate

arguing against russia supporters tankies

first our opponents

we're supposed to be two you tubers

an assad apologies grriftter and a very short very insecure

arabic

man who compensates for his lack of manhood with screaming

so

just

this is not that important here wright

because whatever this is just

your typical fucking um personal attacks

which aren't really personalt tacks because you know they're just they fall flat i mean assad apologist grifter

yeah you're just basically

that's just like a very morally loaded accusation that and grifter meet means nothing right then a very short

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i don't even know what the relevance of that is supposed to be isn't this supposed to be like a serious you tuber

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makes documentaries about fucking serious topics like

even if i was very short

you know if i was the world's shortest man in the guinness world book of records

like what does that have to do with anything is that supposed to speak poorly on my character that i'm the shortest guy in the entire world and i mean the comedy is that i'm actually just five eight which is like

the average height in hungary which is where adams something comes from and that's just the funny part of it is that i'm really not very short right

but i mean just like ok assuming i'm the shortest man in the whole world

in the guinness book of world records

like

route

what're you trying to say

right is this supposed to speak poorly on my character

did you look that up no i actually just guessed because most hungarians i met are pretty short

i just assume that they're on the shorter side i could be wrong i actually could be wrong

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yeah i don't know it doesn't it doesn't matter you're right it really doesn't fuck it matter i don't know why you'd mention this then he wases very insecure

okay based on what

based literally on what i'm pretty sure all of like

my nit picking

about getting the facts straight about like my personal appearance in my life

have been to prove that i was not insecure

in other words like the whole stop the tilt thing ok fifty per cent was a mem fifty per cent was also to prove that i never lied about my height

wasn't the proof that i wasn't short

that's i guess subjective it was to prove that i never lied about it right because if i lied about it that would mean i'm insecure i just

want to get the record shet that i don't fucking lie right

then this is my favorite part

arabic

arabic

average mail in hungry's five ten ok whatever

i'm two inches shorter than the average in hungry

by the way i don't even buy that because that's you know

i just don't buy it

they say in lebanon it's like

all too it's not true

they they did go to the cities and

you know

the countryside is shorter than cities typically i don't actually i don't know who cares right

but this is the most this is a more important part

is

arabic

so this is

this is like ok so he talks about very short very insecure these are like negative things right

and then he says arabic

and

he puts a question mark

again i don't know what the significance of being very short is supposed to be

a it's interesting that you like you highlight that is somehow significant very insecure

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i don't know why you're calling me very insecure i mean what exactly should i be insecure about

a an arabic

so apparently you know it speaks poorly on my

character that i'm you know this is actually something a lot of alt right people like to do so i am actually like a white passing guy sometimes or at least like i guess a european passing or caucasian passing whatever you want to fuck and call it

and whenever people find out i'm an arab they like toy use it as a smear

they're like you're an actual arab haz you're brown haz it's like a stain it's supposed to be some kind of stain so let me put this on fuck and record let me put this

on fuck and record right now

i want to put this on record right now

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just so everyone knows that it's not a secret

and i'm putting it on record

right now right

i'm putting it on record right now

ok

because people seemed to be fucky confused

about this

are you ays confused

you're arabos your brown

right

and i'm supposed to i'm supposed to like that's supposed to be a stain on me right

that's supposed to be a stain something i'm supposed to be ashamed of right

so let me put it

let me make it a matter of public record just so everyone is clear

i am white passing i am caucasian but this is supposed to be an insult right so let me be fucking very something i'm talking to you right now mother falker by the way i'm talking to you

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i'm talking to you adam something i'm solet me make this very very fucking clear i don't want to have the police call i'm just getding keep it down right want to make this very clear let me be very fucking clear

adam something i'm an arab my father was an arab his father was an arab his father before him was an arab and his father before him was a fuckan arab as a matter of fact the's not an ounce of me that's not fucking arab i'm one hundred percent a fuckan arab one hundred percent of my blood is arab one hundred percent of my

soul is arab my skin is arab my bones are arab my organs are arab my heart is arab my brain is arab every fucking aspect about me is arabic and is arab you understand and i'm not just an arab i'm an arab with a capital a

i'm an arab i'm an arab of half i said i'm an arab you know the arabs that fought in ar is that type of fucking arab you understand let's be very fucking clear that my family s the fight people in lebanon wh said we

weren't arabs that we were phoenicians and we were pure and we were europeans fuckt arabs that's what we fucking are i am an arab every fuckt aspect fiber and so of my is arabic and you think this is something i'm ashamed of or this is something up swept under the fuck and rug and that's

supposed to be an insult against me fucking what swept it under the rug i've never swept it under the fuck and rug the's not a fuck and single part of my ancestry that isn't fuck and errab every fucking aspect of who i am is erra of every single aspect adam something you adam something

you think i'm ashamed of that adam something

insecure arabic like that's a stain like that's a stain i want to ask a question just it's a description of events that's all the w in two thousand and six was it the arabs the ar in two thousand and six just curious i'm just putting it out there adam something

that's that's the land i originate from in my blood in my soul every fiber of

my being is that in the war war comes again just like the war in ukraine

they're going to be carving ziz on the streets of lunan

that's all i have to tell you fuck and pussy little bitch

that's a promise

that's a promise

so let's clear the air and get that part out of the way

let's clear the air

and git that part out of the fuckin way

like this is supposed to be a fucking insult

and you're a pure european riight adam something

you're a pure european and me i'm a i'm an arab and i should be ashamed of that

that's a stain on my character

that's supposedly a stin on my character

he used to be an alt writer which is really interesting

used to be an old writer which is really interesting

i just want to know like where did this idea come from that i'm hiding my background i'm hiding what i am

so he goes

and the this is my favorite part we're not even done with this

who compensates for his lack of manhood with screaming

his lack of manhood

so adam something must be a really tough man he must be a really really you know real man right

this is a real man we're talking about

so

i wonder

okay

is there a way we can evaluate adam something's manhood so first of all

they sound like a little pussy they sound like a bitch right there's nothing wrong with that

and they have a very feminine voice when i hear them talk i mean i'll give you an example of one of their videos

so this is what a real man sounds like first right so this is what a man sounds like everyone so as you might have heard russia has invaded ukraine

full scale all directions with the full use of their sounds like a pedophile playing mind graft trying to learn children

oh

y he sounds like some fucking weird creep

sounds like some fuck and creek

arsenal this video is in analysis of the current situation in you it's bey inanity sod like a little bitch right but maybe that's just deceptive and you know

maybe the voice is deceptive and it's just

you know

what you sound like and you're really a really real man when we take a good look at you

we're goninga see what real manhood looks like right

that's what i'm assuming

but i'm assuming right

because

he claims

that i

don't have any manhood

adam somepthing claims that i don't have manhood right so

this must be a guy who's who's you know a real authority on what is and isn't a man

right he's got to be this is got to be a real authority on manhood

since i'm not a man this is a real authority on manhood right

ladies and gentlemen

adam something

this is the guy remember let's go back

his's lack of manhood

this is a guy talking about others manhood

this is someone talking about someone else's manhood

this is someone who's trying to talk about my manhood i was a question guys let's say me and adam something were in a room together

let's say we were in a room together me

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and adam something

would he look me in the eyes

and say

you don't have manhood

just take a guess what do you do that

why not i'm really short aren't i i mean i'm like five one or four five

so i'm really really short right so he wouldn't have a problem doing it right

because he has a million he's willing to tell his one million subscribers this that

i compensate for my lack of manhood

right

so if i was in a room with him would he look me dead in the eye and tell me that to my face

yeah i'm going to watch the flints debate after we cover the news

he would look down but yes oka sure

you really think that you would tell me that to my face would you tell it to my face by the way

that's how i don't know i the even if i was five four or five five

i'm still bigger than you

i'm still more massive than you

i still have more to show than you i could still probably beat the fuck out of you if i want i would eever do it it's not legal

yeah

you know

ah that's the truth

some of the scariest people in my life i used to go to a gym and there used to be a guy who's

like five five and he's a wall

he's a wall he was this wide

i stayed away from him

and he was on royd's he was jacked up and i'm i'm not talking about like a he was an old guy he was in prison and

he was just like a combination of fat and giant in jacks

and he was terrifying

even those people you don't fuck with

so me i don't take royd's right i got a natural physique

you would not come to me in person saying this shit

even if you're right about my height you still wouldn't

a five seven you have c fire slep the set six one guy no height means something in a fight

it does

each is important

oh he that he would look down oka

whatever

something tells me he would not so much as insult me to my face something tells me he would not so much

as attempt to insult me to my face

i don't know

so these are the people that are now running around on the internet

talking about other people's manhood and talking about all that shit right

so let's continue

with screaming

now here's the important part

remember adam's a scary guy he said am i really that scary this is a scary guy right

this is a scary scary guy we haven't even gotten to the meat and potatoes here

scary out of right

shortly after i accepted the debate

they cancelled

ten thousand likes

they cancelled

ten thousand likes

they cancel

ten thousand likeks

they cancelled

ten thousand likes

they cancel

ten thousand likes

this isn't my side of the story

this isn't another perspective

this isn't another opinion

this isn't

oh this is just hars's view

this is black and white

this is black and white

this is a matter of truth or falsehood

did we cancel

or did we not cancel

show d ms to prove it

i will

but better yet

i don't even have to show the ups

i can just show this to you

even better

even better

ready

modern day debate themselves

i asked dylan burns if adam something could take his place

and dilan burns was open to it because he's burning the wick at both ends

we couldn't get adam in on this one

so original plan is on

anyone who listens to this idiot needs to get some help hey swarm you stupid little pussy you fucking little bitch you little fucking pussy you fucking bitch you want to know why people fucking listen to me because they see people with a million fucking subscribers lie in say shit like this with ten thousand fucking likes and they come in my fucking channel

and they see

this

that it's directly a fucking lie

and guess what focking happens

they

trust me more suddenly they see me as a source of truth

and they can't trust these big streamers and these big fucking contentrators because they're fucking liars and even you

even you are seeing that he lied and that he's a fucking liar

he has one million subscribers i have twenty thousand followers and he's a fuking liar and that is a fact with god as my fucking witness with god as my fucking witness with god as my fucking witness let me spontaneously combust into fire

if he isn't a fuckon liar

with god as my falking witness he's a falking liar

and you don't have to take my word for it that's the best part

you don't have to take my word for it

don't have to take my willingness to believe this for it because this is modern day debate themselves we couldn't get atam on this one

but we cancel

there's more

maybe you're going to say has maybe the reason you couldn't git him on

is because ah you

were the ones who wum

who who insisted he couldn't come on ok

this is what we were presented with

adam something

what we want dylan burns to moderate all wes said was dylan can't be involved

period no dylan

that's it

i have no idea why he would even be involved or why he would co host anything so they wanted bas you has heard it when it happened right so adam something came on

and all he said was dylan can't be involved

no dylon i've no idea why he's involved

jaggsd agreed he said no problem we can keep it the same as originally planned i let delan know

the same as originally planned being we're going to debate adam something

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and then on stream i announced we're going to be debating adam something you guys saw the streams and i talked about this i talked about how didylon pussied out and wanted to moderate it we said fuck no

remember when i said dillon pussied out and we replaced him with adam something

so at what point

did we cancel let's see

let's check the d ms maybe we canceled somewhere in these fucking d ms

me find it

here it is

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let me just make sure there's no like doking or anything like that oka

re it is

there you go okay here it is

dylan can't be involved agreed no problem we can keep it the same

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perfect

you could do modern day debate i sympathet we're just talking about the title

and then yeah

so i don't want to leak the zoom

but

it's just the zoom thing and it says joined now

and if you since you don't believe me i'll literally just

mark can i do that

me try

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doing now

can i leve

is there a way to cover it

we see

take this image

its image

yeah i can't i can't touch the image

move this

hey it doesn't matter if you don't believe me i'll i'll

can i show the zoom in the pass code will it like be a problem it won't be a problem

ok sot me show you ready

here

there it is

that's it that was the rest of itgame

now let me show you my personal d ms with modern day debate

you just make sure there's no docxing anything like that

ok here it is this is literally it

so this was

before we were discussing it was going to be destiny maybe destiny said sure yah that could work whatever

some other debate

there you go let's just say atack

we're i'm in now so there you go

jackson i'm sure would be willing to leak his personal dms as well

so it's kind of weird at no point

did we cancel on adam something whatsoever

so

if you're a hods hater and you're an adam something fan

he john

i want to talk to you john

this is personal i'm directly talking to you

and john just to make just to make it clear to you you don't have your twitter mob to help you here so first of all i want to show you what's going on here socially you don't have the social validation you have on twitter so john one's in the chat

if john is a little bitch

one's in the chat if he's a little bitch john i want to show you what real social validation looks like

a lot of people john

it's a lot of people that are saying you're a little bitch

maybe you stumbled into the wrong place cause your twitter friends aren't here john

on i want to tell you another thing

you will fucking lose

your side is going to lose

your side is going to lose

john

your side is going to lose

you're a little bitch you're scum you're a coward

and you won't fuck and win you want know why

because we have the truth on our side it's that fucking simple we literally just have the truth on our side this is a black and white struggle

between the empire of lies and the forces of truth

and it is literally that fucking simple you little bitch you fucking pussy i want you to go to bed knowing os called you a pussy there's nothing you can do about it you're a failure and you're a little bitch i want you to go to bed knowing that

i want you to go to bed knowing that

this is literally

a battle between truth and falsehood

lies

and truth

it's

there is no debate there is no perspective there is no opinion

there is no two sides of the story

he lied and said we cancelled we did not cancel

he canceled

he canceleed

not us

it's that fucking simple

he claimed we canceleed

and that this makes him very scary

to prove it to you

to prove it to you

ugly fat

ugly pedophile fat fuck in my chat you ugly fat disgusting

walk

the'll prove it to you though

the prove it to you

i will debate adam something

any time he wants

or i should say any time of any day of the week he wants

i will debate adam something

literally any day of the week i will debate him right now

are you that scary adam something

so here's what we should do guys

hey adam

am i really that scary

that you

you would fabricate

the lie

that we canceled on you

am i really that scary

that you won't

debate me and are still

running

way

to this day

i know how you

also

are you

a man

adam something

i couldn't tell

yeah

so what we're going to do

is we're going to boost this to the very top

we're going to like this

this common

so he could see

here's the link

like this

we're not going to race you obviously not thisre ten thousand blinks

just make sure he sees it

finally

check this out before we do that though

i want you to read

the willing brainwash soldiers of the empire of lies i want to show you what fucking disgusting scum and liars these people are

it's a common thing for propagandists to cancel debate invites

for example in russia

nevanni oh really it's common

you scared them shitless

and well educated well informed smart ass with a sense of humor is debate kryptonite for the grifters

it's that you deradicalize withhich points

that are backed by examples

there's good chances you won't change their views but of the audience who follows them

it's because you are european

the usual american viewpoints are falling when the guys had to debate someone who was from europe and from a former soviet influence country

the terrified you will give them they're all talking about the reasons

for why me and jackson cancelled on the debate

the only problem is that we never actually cancelled on any fucking debate whatsoever so this video is going on the you tube and my editor olive i want you to hear me for this part

i want you to preserve this part because these stupid dumb fuck brain dead pieces shit scum commenters deserve to live in shame for the rest of their fucking lives we are documenting in real time a fucking circus we are documenting in real time a fucking circus

let's read these comments guys

let's read these comments

ready

let's go let's have some fun with this guys let's go honest to god i've never seen destiny research as much as this debate it may have scared them off you're actually east european so you can represent regional political viewpoints better than they can lie about them i think it's the combination of you knowing what you're talking about

your accents being obviously eastern european area means they are outmatched might be too scary because you're actually good at debating no idea though

pankees are scared of getting absolutely railed maybe it's because in order to debate tankeyes you have to have their exact education history no more no less

looking out for the top commons there was more with like a thousand lights probably being scared of debating in eastern europe

pm adam hasn't even begun his debate proark and his opponents are already quivering in their boots

you may have to pull off a sam seter and just drop in on them you're like ben shapiro too scared to debate somebody that actually has debate skills

now this this is one of his beta male fans that are like i'm short in the herb too you hurt my feelings

this is what i love about and what i love about people who attack me for my height is it doesn't make me insecure it makes like at least fifty per cent of your audience insecure like i'm pretty sure like what thirty to fifty per cent of men are below five nine something like that i think it's thirty right thirty per cent of men are below five nine so it's like

you're literally just like shitting on one third of your audience by calling me like this extremely short guy or whatever when i'm only five eight like imagine the people in your audience who are like just five five dudes or five four dudes there's a lot of dudes who are five four five five more than you think and you're literally just and they're all live like it doesn't it's not something that's ideological there's liberal short guys there's tanky

short guys guys want to know why i do this because i'm destroying their morale and therefore i'm destroying one third of the males in their fucking audience one third of their army is wiped out by hos because they have to do all these short jokes that applies to one third of their entire male audiencely fucking wiped out

it's just easy this is actually a great compliment for adam look at an burns who knew it was a fucking lie burns knew this was a fucking lie to adam it's simply because they wanted to debate someone with

youthful vigor like me you literally know this i'm i'm going to fuck and do that but guys you know you want to find wlling burns comment in this and yeah what a fucking lyining piece of shit look at this lying piece of shit in the fucking comments lying

so i'm gona go take a piss i'll be right back i'm goinga go take a piss be right back

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member how dylan burns also lied and said that we also canceleed on him and that he forced him to adopt these new terms of debate of changing the title when they were never forced whatsoever and that if you ever once implied that that was a condition for debating us would have just been like a ppkt all we did was ask them

to change the title we never said like that's a condition for debating him and he's the one who actually pitched out and said no he's not debatd

so

start us chat about a roll through why

why

what are you talking about

she's talking shit

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what does startterst want

she wants to debate me ok call debatter tllr to get in my v c all debatter

you didn't sochoke you

tller to get in my v c

fll this orbiter to get in my vcs

thank you victory will come

i couldn't because i couldn't watch it lie

that's why

short tiny man

they have nothing

they literally have nothing

they literally have nothing

do'es no why

he b like a horse

why do you even entertain

when your enemies

talk sht about your height

because they don't talk about anything else

it's not like they talk about my beard they literally don't talk about it's not like they talk about my positions or my arguments

they like

put it this way

the only thing my enemies talk about

is the fact that i'm five eight

which is not that's all

but that's all they talk about that's literally all they don't have any arguments

they don't have any substance they never actually bring anything up

that is like meaningful in any kind of fucking way

so like what do you want me to do w am i supposed to ignore it

well then why do they keep they keep like ok should i ignore every single enemy that i have then

that

here's start us

what a fuck you want

hello

yeah what do you want

but are you the father

go haad say your joke

are you

go ahead and tell your joke

i don't have a joke

you' used low today what do you want

that what's up did you see my tweet

no

oh it's been two weeks here let me link it to you

i'll just link you the clip itself here

ok

here you go

did you get it

want to ask a question ok if in weeks

moscow doesn't have

people on the ground in kiv hasn't taken the city

what are you going to say what's the reason for that

if i was i would say things did not go as planned then

in what sense

that they they failed to execute their goals probably

want to ask a question

them

what's your point

i'm just saying it's been two weeks

yeah well

i didn't

what do i mean to say clearly the operations much longer than expected

that i expected

i have admitted that

okay all right well just wanted to you know just wanted to check how come uh how come you won't you won't uh fist fight me

ps

i've been i've been challenging you since day one ok

and i know

i know you're jealous of my girthiness ok but there's no nothing to be jealous of

if you eat enough

you can reach my level of girth

hello

did you want to debate about something

h not really

why aren't russian troops in kiev

no

they're outside

oh so when they were reporting that like these

russian spec ops guys or whatever were in t of that was a lie

i'd have to look into that but i don't believe that's true

so

it's interesting ukrainians lie

m

yeah well i mean i think uh i think

what that

russian t can see say you didn't whyyea it isn take the interior of kiev yet but they've have it fully surrounded and can pretty much take it whenever they want

the should just take it then

well

that would

probably di't danger a lot of civilians

they didn't give a fuck about that with piarson did they

m example

they're destroying infrastructure

which is they're pretty much starving like

they're starving ukrainian cities by destroying

infrastructure

which infrastructure

if you ight talk about the hospital in the the

the school

hospitals basically were running the water electricity and also the fater in mariople right

well yeah but i'm talking about just like

well that it was that did russia did russia blow up the theater in mariopl by the way

look

i'm talking about about electricity and water right

there are people who don't have access to running water

on people who don't have access to electricity i believe in maripol

people are like burning pieces of furniture just to keep warm

so it's a it's a little bit fucked yeah people are is is cutting off water the same as killings and having no regard for civilians

it's a slow killing

okay so then okay i have to ask you a question

when crimea cut off water and electricity sorry when ukraine cut off water and electricity from crimea for eight years

was that a slow killing

was it for eight years

yes

do they have access to electricity and water from other places

they only did because of russia

all right and and russia already had

had h annexed it right

yeah but they still really couldn't get water because they dammed up

could they or could they not get water

no

i mean

their access to water was severely limited

ok

well why should ukraine provide water and electricity

to a town

or not town but to it a region where

russia has annexed

i don't know but why should russia

not cut off water and electricity

which is vital for the

because it's as militias that are there currently fighting

it's ukraines

it is not just the as of

um uh militia that they're fighting they're they're fighting

civilians

which civilians are they fighting

and they well they're bombing the

they're bombing buildings right

ing strikings let's be precise about this

i mean

there are residential buildings that have been

bomb there are hospitals that have been bombed

which hospital

i can't name every single one but here

well there's obviously the maternity one the maternity hospital right that which was the news recently

on the one in mariople

h oh

did russia do that

yea why you think they didn't

i'm just curious as to like what evidence you have that it was russian

um do you have evidence otherwise

well that's not really how it works when you accuse someone of a crime you have to actually establish the're the ones who so there's been reporting that that's what it is right

you really not know

i mean

explain to me if it's all if if they're if it's different then explain it to me

the maternity hospital

anne mariol

mmhmm

you know about the nature of the

collision

i sorr you know the nature of explosives that come from

air to surface

and the nature of how that actually destroys buildings and what that looks like

i don't but this starting to sound like like ninehunred eleven truth or stuff

ok

so

you know i guess that's what it is then

i mean look i don't know a whole lot about what so basically what are you just si like whatever you saw on twitter

n on twter

and that wt do b

ight

let's say russia didn't do it

in

marriel

how would russia be able to defend itself

against the claim

um

without being able to like analyze the nature of

if russia din't it did

russia accuses

the i can't say this but russia accuses it of being staged

a staged

yap

ok

a maternity hospital

bombing staged

can i ask you question why would russia

bomb a maternity hospital what's what interest does russia have to bomb a maternity hospital

they have used the tactic where they will destroy infrastructure in the past

'm in other conflicts yeah ok

so you work by attrition right yeah you're trying to say like oh this is what they did in grosney ok

then why isn't russia you would

think that they're doing this at a go much higher scale that you don't just have these one examples you have like dozens of examples where they're doing this like

and may ho

i mean there it's not hit

why russia bombing more hospitals than that one

they have taken out like i said they've taken out electricity and they've taken out water that's already enough to put people in a very desperate situation but we're talking about their bombing of civilian infrastructure

mmhm

so why aren't they doing that at the same

like a much higher level of scale

then these like sensationalized single events which russia denies

well i know that there are um

having um

basically

they're having trouble with u they're like running out of of supplies essentially so

i know that they're trying to be

strategic and

whary are you saying russia is running out of bombs and that's why they can't buy i don't know if itust bombs but there are there what would it be because you have in order to bomb hospital you rather going to use

ground to ground missiles

are sorry surface to surface missiles or you're going to use

aircraft

right and i'm not sure exactly what they've run out of to be able to do that let me take a quick look i was just reading something have you chat help you that's usually what all the other

well no we we read articles um

let me see here i

putin underestimated the national pride and battlefield skills that ukrainians have built up over the past eight years

you see ah

ukraine keeps like securing all these victories closer and closer to key it's crazy

uh i don't know about that i mean i mean kerson and and mari paol are not doing great right now so

i thought the ukraine the valor of the ukrainians was holding the russians back

but it's not like you said right it's not going as quickly as putin anticipated no it's not going as quickly as i thought it

okay

there have been tons of there have been tons of experts who weighed in who said that

cooton

uh was expecting this to be done in a certain amount of time and it wasn't first estimate was like forty eight hours the next one was like

a week two weeks you know so well the forty eight hour one came from the idea that putin was just going to steamroll ukraine

regardless of minimizing casualties to civilians and harm to civilian infrastructure

which had nothing to do with the nature of the special operation itself

oky

special operation in myd what the americans were saying

was that russia

was going to launch a full scale invasion

of ukraine

and a full deployment which basically implies

they're just going to roll through it like blidscreen style right

and that's not what we've seen we've seen a very surgical and

incissive

procedure

of choking off

ukrainian cities

the resistance that's situated within them

and taking over

with his little violence as possible

it's very methodical

i

um so this claim that it was staged is

not correct

um

there's tons of footage of the of the maternity hospital

um

also there is w

wo who world health organi just a second just a second world health organization confirms eighteen attacks on ukrainian hospitals and ambulances creating the worst possible ingredients for spread of disease

ya i trust the who but

m

what i'm trying to say is that the

no one is denying the hospital was destroyed in mariople

mmhmm

we're talking about how it was destroyed

okay eighteen attacks on ukrainian hospitals and ambulances you asked me if it was mo if

if why wouldn't they be attacking more they are attacking more

can you name the other eighteen or can we explore those

i can't name them off the top of my head but the world health organization has confirmed it

so eighteen attacks

so it's just a matter if we trust the who

you just said that you trust the holl

i'm obliged to trust them

because they have a blue check mark

oka

do so do you or do you not trust them because you just said five minutes ago you trust them and now you're saying you're only because they have o

okay

are you kidding

in want to get banned

ok i'm sorry i didn't realize that that was the thing

um

ok

so

what exactly did you want to debate about

i wanted to ask you why you won't fight me

that's it

pretty much i mean also i wanted to ask you about the playf but you didn't really you didn't really say anything

no eighteen confirmed attacks by the who

the infrastructure being damaged all around ukraine and

and

is the the byetritan

ok is there evidence that russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure if so please provide

concrete examples

i mean there's footage of civilian infrastructure

having been attacked

i remember in the very early stages of this

there was footage

of a residential building that got shot

and it turned out

that it was actually a ukrainian

a surface to air

missile defense system

that misfired

and like it was proven through the projectile and everything

and russias still got the blame

i remember another example when there was a supposed bombing of kiev

sorry harkve i forget which city it was

when actually it was a downed ukrainian plane that just fell and crashed into the middle of the you evidence for these things can you provide them to me

sure wh do you want me to provide them

you can dedamn them to me

hey guys if you guys remember which ones put them in fact checking

so i could just link them to her

kind of eating right now

ok so you can lookt the one from the very early

days of the conflict where

the building that first building that got hit

that was a miss fire from ukraine's missile defense system

the other one

was the ukrainian plane that got down the middle of ukrainian city

do you have the name of the building

no it was just a random residential building

or the name of the guy who accidentally fired a missile

why would i have the name of a random ukrainian soldier

well because i don't know you asked me for

for all these specifics so i figured id ask you

i asked you for specific events not

nam was

of people uh huh

where are the sources from

i'm not seeing anything in fact checking by the way nothing's happening

so

i guess i'll have to dig through my tweets

oh it's a twitter it's a tweet didn't you just come at me for saying oh it wll you know you re do you just read through twitter when i don't read through twitter but ok if you want to source tweets that's fine you know that we has the footage are you talking about

which we just as the p

count

there's no footage in this tweet

i didn't provide any tweet

ok well you told your chat to

to put stuff in fact checking rather than sending me stuff right

so i just clicked on it i don't see anything

so the well clearly they either don't remember or don't have it on hand

so that's w so you can't prove what you were claiming n i can't ok start us i am literally in my likes right now and i'm just scrolling down i'm on march ninth nw so i'm going to keep scrolling down till i find

thank

okay alright i appreciate that

that's literally what i'm doing right now

so

no just wait

okay

you want to come on a chaos cast sometime ok it is here it is here it is this is it

this is the first one this is the what date was this

yeah this was twenty sixth of february okay

so this is one of th pieces of evidence right here someone finally provided it

this was this one

i

so they reported that a gear residents that was hit by a missiles firing rages yeah

okay

ok and this was actually a ukrainian missile defense system

which was blamed on russia

amm

se it and

there's there was i don't know if a s b as b currently got banned

so i'm going to try to find the footage of the projectile

like

ot where it was hit from and the projectile

which proves that it was from a ukrainian missile defense system and not from russia

okay

isbes on gabria

you guys can't find it first just post it

yeah the b u k m one exactly that's

yeah here it is here it is here it is

as be report on but they got

taken down that's why ne could find it

could you wanle get taken gown

re could you because there's a massive campaign of censorship against the

fro russian sources

and you are

in you archive that as v thing on way back machine isn't on way back

on no

because they actually proved it

i'm looking at this al jzazeer article that somebody linked

yeah the al jazeera article blamed on russia because that's

when it first hit everyone blamed it on russia then it was later shown

it b from a b uk missile defense system

ok on i'm sure guys link i you on the telegram and get it from their telegram

i'm sure that

that there are i'm sure that there are cases especially in wars and conflicts like this

where

where there's friendly fire and i'm sure it's unintentional and

but i or you know i'm not sure but

i'm sure it's unintentional

i still the i still don't

i still don't think even even if this is it has been done by ukrainian forces

i still don't think that

that can erase the massive amount of damage that you see all over ukraine o it will not but we're talking about looking for evidence of intentional attacks against civilian infrastructure

that's what this is about

it was a ukrainian missile defense firing at a russian missile a b u k m one

so it was so it was in defense against russian a russian missile

and it and it hit a residential building

which was blamed on russia

yes because a missile from russia was it was in defense against that the missiles from russia was striking military targets

not civilian

within why would

a residential

is all explain there was literally footage

so there's an r

every surface the surface missile has an arc

or service their missile

it's a projectile right

you shoot it up into the air

and then there's an r

through the sky

they

so this one was meant to hit an airplane or something

right

and instead

it hit a tall building

because it missed

mm

theres youtube video in fact checking

it hill it hit its yeah therek

missile defense system and the missile

hit the residential building

ok

so

you can see here

miss the missile rush a fired

yeah this came down

pheasant re

so it arc

over

right

it was a surface to air missile that arc

and then

basically took this trajectory

uh do you think that um

h jet fuel can melt steel beams

was

so

what is your argument then

um h so my argument is that even if it was friendly on fire even

why does your ask me a and you i mean because you're not answering you're not for you're not answering i am i'm about to answer you and answer let me answer ok

um so you asked me

what what am i what am i guess what i'm here for or what i'm trying to say

s even if even if i that't why interrupted you because you're not actually talking about

why are you sing

hy are you saying do et why do you saying jets fuel melts steel being oh my god not has let me answer the question first

no you already said you already said that even if it was true that this was a ukrainian missile you already made that argument i don't want to hear it again

i want to hear

why specifically you're talking about nine eleven truthism because

it sounds like from your side of the aisle every time you're confronted with an actual argument

you you basically your rebuttal is always like well this sounds like something i deem ridiculous what doesn't even if it's

correct

that this sounds like nine eleven truthism

it doesn't actually talk about its actual merits like you're not actually arguing with what i'm saying

and then when i have' f you know when i confront you with that not then start us i when i do't front you with that you start i'm saying do start us on when i can on do and i confront you o right then go ahead and s yet that you thatf that is my argument you say even if so when i confront you on that

you wrote back and you go well even if it's true hold on

let's not do that even if it's true

let's go back to that that

this jet fuel melt steel beams thing because you're trying to compare this

the nine eleven truthism

what is the significance of that are you hung up on it

are you really hung up on a choke

yeah

am dude that is that's kind of sad

well it just like little joke

then to be all your side has when it comes to you can't actually seriously debate this topic

no i i can and again

it still doesn't explain

the massive amount of damage in ukraine

right

that can't all be ukraine

no one' saying no one's saying it is but

i'm trying to say a lot of the times

things that are used as evidence of russia deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure

tend not to be

sometimes it may be collateral damage but we don't really have any evidence

that russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure that i've seen at least now if you can give me examples of this

i'm more than willing to

the seabos

was sthill ok

i know that who is saying that eighteen hospitals have been hit

o not eighteen just eighteen attacks have been on ukrainian hospitals and ambulances by russia is what the h saying

o

okay

here's also a fact check on the russian attack on mari pul maternity hospital was staged

oka

where's that and

i'm putting it in your dams

baseless attacks

let's read it

um

russian officials and conspiracy theorists are promoting the baseless claim by a march ninth bombing

the air strike killed three civilians including a child and left seventeen wounded

but online some assert the hospital nombing never took place

ok well this is immediately a straw man because even the russian ministry of defense

and the russian side well they get to the other argument later on in the article

ok they get to the other argument about the demolition that they claim it was a demolition

h they claim that the building was occupied by as of battalion there's also

um

say

um

first of all

just to be clear

russia did claim that it was being occupied and there is widespread evidence

of militias occupying theaters and schools and hospitals

using civilians as human shields there is widespread evidence of that

but russia still

doesn't consider that as ands an excuse

to endanger civilians so russ is not saying this is an excuse for us bombing the hospital

but they are denying that they bomb the hospital

they're not denying that the hospital was bombed

so the reason ok i have i have to

there's also this i just linked is captured rush pilot s on this order so it's a vill we are nowhere in this article is russia's allegation

that the nature of an air to surface missile explosion

could not possibly

was not shown in that hospital

like that's not been to bre just in this article that youres you know there's no evidence the aspital was a non operational facility used by aviighters for military sources

as social media posts and russell officials claim

the russian embassy in israel treeated an image of a military tank in front of a building to claim

the hospital is occupied by the azlviziant

our research is at belling cat a famously reliable and impartial source

um

found the photo was captured more than six miles away from the hospital

yet but the embassy didn't say

that this was that hospital they said this is an example of the widespread

occupation of civilian infrastructure by military agents ok

so the un said in a march eleventh statement the hospital was both clearly identifiable and operational when it was hit

on march second the hospital shared a facebook post asking for fuel tanks to keep the facility running

oky this is

so if this was like a research project for school this would get an f minus

cat

this doesn't

debunk anything as far as with russians claim are concerned

m

i mean keeping the hospital running

uh a facebook post

asking for more fuel i mean

that's what you're talking about here

let me get back to thats russ

captured russian pilot

says he was ordered to hit civilian targets

what does this prove exactly

what kind of evidence could i provide to you has that would change your mind

examples of russia targeting civilian infrastructure

deliberately and on a mass scale

but even just deliberately

ok so is a russian pilot saying that he was ordered to hit civilian targets not

evidence of that

no because he is a prisoner of wars start us

ok

um look i haveo it's not i reliable evidence by any standard or metric or

you know

like i don't know what to tell you

okay

um

ok so look i have chaos cast actually it starts at nine

so i do have to get going but i would love to continue this conversation with you

if you know yeah i accept your surrender don't worry

it's not surrender yeah i accept your wholesale and complete surrender of being unable to defend any of your positions on russia's intervention you and what positions andm i what did i say what russia is engaging in the widespread targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure

they have a history of doing it right

the who has said that there have been eighteen attacks on ambulances and on hospitals

we've got a russian pilot who says he was ordered to hit civilian targets

we've got tons of different you that wouldn't s you've got tons of different news s that wouldn't stand're also saying that they've been fired at that they've seen a

russian forces firing at civilians russian forces firing at

reporters

so yeah i think that there is plenty there i would love to continue this conversation with you know but i have you have yar say you have a prisoner of war

finally you have the who's claim

uh and

who said it only get worse we have eighteen confirmed attacks

though who actually has not attributed responsibility

soley to russia for these attacks as far as this c b s article is concerned so you are wrong about that

you you have to understand that there's also hospitals in the dawn bass

a and indoniatsk in lugans which is being shelled

and there is evidence of the shelling of civilians and civilian infrastructure by the ukrainian military there

how many of the hospitals being attacked are in the dawnbas

and are being shelled by russia sorry by ukrainians

i think ukrainians are in a defensive a

that is not what i'm asking amission right now right

no

they've been attacking the dawn bass

for over eight years

they just

shot a missile into a civilian center

in the dawn bass killing twenty people which the n didn't even

bother to hear or entertain

so not the case w they shouldn't be blowing up hospitals for sure but

m

but that doesn't take away from the fact that russia is engaging in a war of attrition right so

here's a link

rs is engaging in a war of attrition

so you it for ukraine dot belling cat dot com oh boy

's a super

it super reliable

what is reliable to you what is reliable to you

i evaluate the primary sources first

just

some so if i shared with you oky what if i shared with you r t

would you come would you make a comment about it before evaluating the primary sources

i i probably would make a comment about it yeah if i'm going to be honest with you

are

are they associated with the cia i'm not aware of that

really

yeah

well

according to this belling gt is funded by u s and uktelligence contractors

that aided extremists in syria

ok

the national endowment for democracy ons belling cat

the cia officials have declared their love quote unquote for belling cab this is from foreign policy dot com

a

yeah i meaning primaries further and it ansially publish sine and any o here's plenty of footage again i' listen it a gound this sounds like a funny yousy theory but

this is the

record of the annual accounts

rum belling to belling cat

who funds belling cat

and i just think we should take a look at this right because you just decided to mock

the allegation that they're

affiliated with the cia

funded by u s intelligence

that i mocked or did i just ask a question

well you asked the question in a mocking tone right you s in a mocking i mean i laughed while i asked it but that doesn't mean a' mocking youo know i think you're i think you're attributing like intention to me that i don't have

i

i think

that

if you're looking for primary footage there's tons of it there's tons of reporters who are on the ground

who have been shot at who have footage of being shot at

by russian forces

re there reporters who have also been shot at by ukrainian forces

not that i've seen

why haven't you seen that

i don't know

why don't you asking i ever heard or seen you asked about primary sources i you're just changing

with you're just changing what you want now

right so i don't know what case of reporters being shot you're talking about but

those were actually ukrainians

we're not up to date on it

ok

they were murdered by ukrainians

okay

all right has look i would love to continue this conversation

but i actually have my panel that starts at nine o'clock again surrender accepted

no surrender no surrender yeh well i'm calling it a surrender because it is you can call it a surrender if that makes you feel better

but i will still point out to all of chat

and everybody who's listening

that i have been challenging has to a fistfight

thens like three months ago ok and this guy won't

fucking fight me and all he does

is compare my physique to a bowling ball instead of actually fight me

look potin potsicle

i

i'm not i'm not playing around ok

you don't need to be afraid if you eat enough

you can you too can have the physique of a bowling ball

ok

you should be you should be are you a comedian as well as a twitchtreamer

i don't know

b bullet

i don't know what would tell the joke i'm i'm just saying i actually appreciate how much you break the stereotype that women can't be funny

i can't tell if you're being sarcassic i'm not

you're breaking glass ceilings and breaking stereotypes

okay

h appreciated all right i'll see you later has

let's continue this talk please ok

will you promise me

yeah if you want to surrender again that's fine

you can call whatever you want haz

this is

not that but i have a mean panel to me mons

i will see you soon

gave surrender accepted

your surrender has been accepted as well thank you

no i surrender except

what a boring foxing

sae

what a literal boring fuck and com

houly shit

literal boring waste of time

oy anyway um

so

this guys

adam something

ithe has been completely discredited

proved he's a fucking liar nothing else but a fucking liar always been a fucking liar

um

all right we're goinga we have some news to cover guys we actually have some news to cover

so starting with um

we're going to do our

some telegram

stuff that i wanted to show you

just some funny stuff so the anti russian hysteria has gotten so fucking wild and out of proportion out of pocket i should say

look at this

russian cosmonauts

you'rey gagar

the first person who's been to space

has been stripped of his honors by the space foundation in light of current world events

what does your ggarn have to do with anything that's going on in ukraine

uri go garin was just a guy who went to space that's literally what he's known for he was the first man

you go this bace

he was

russian i guess

you went to space

and the

space foundation

has stripped him of his honours

to be fair

this is the most bitter but hurt response i could think of because

mean he was still in space forir you can't strip him of the honor of being in space first because he literally was the first man

to ever leave the earth's atmosphere and you can't change that by

but gagaron's no longer the fucking

first man in space because of what's happening in ukraine i mean

these people are just directly trying to fucking rewrite history

trying to completely

create this make believe fucking world

they're trying to rewrite historina

four civilians killed twenty six wounded in the dp r in the past day

according to the militia

a

mines placed by ukraine in the black sea may drift

toward the bosporous

that ki

potentially you

turkish cargo ships are international targets

cargo ships

which may trigger article five so that's a

hod situation

unconfirmed reports of the kernel the

georgian armed forces

bild in mariopool

ministry of defence of ukraine has said

that the armed forces of ukraine have lost control of the sea of asaf

they've lost control of the sea of as off apparently that's what they're saying that's pretty

game changes

russia has started using suicide drones on ukrainian positions

this is interesting

ina

nato secretary john stoltenberg said that china has an obligation as a member of the un security council

to actually uphold and support international law

enjoin the rest of the world

in condemning russia's invasion and brutal war against the ukrainian nations

what it trying to say

we' have taken note of the relevant remarks chinese people can fully relate to the pains and sufferings of other countries

because we will never forget who had bombed our embassy in the federal republic of yugoslavia

we need no lecture on justice from the abuser of international law

as a cold war remnant and the world's largest military alliance

nato continues to expand its geographical scope and range of operations

what kind of rule

it has played in world peace and stability

nato needs to have a good reflection

china told the un

to souck my nuts

ya

pretty

direct response

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the you in this coming future you're going to start to see

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you're going to start to seon

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i don't know what else to call

view

you're going to start to see

this

gate

this is what you're going to start to see like

just this

the newest and stalcker carlson

you' going to see a realgnment

where you know populices in the united states are going to increasingly look to russia and china

as counter hegemonic and anti globalist political forces

which is something

we had already anticipated

years ago

and we got a lot of flack from it from jenz dong and you know

all these people who could have astro turfed us and helped us fight the liberals and shit on social media they turned they were against us they're still against us right

is having p o ws make statements in front of cameras a violation of the geneva convention

yeah but ukraine doesn't care about

mm

law is about war crimes

mean ukrainian social media was saying that we're not going to take any prisoners we're just going to kill people

they don't care right they don't care about fuck andwarz

frimes

anyway

speaking of the devil

so this is shared on twitter so i can share this i can't

and for i can't like

agree with it

but i can share it

because this is the russian embassy of the u k making this claim this is not my claim this is the russian embassy's claim

president putin

there was a network of dozens of laboratories in ukraine where military biological programs were conducted under the guidance

and with the financial support of the pentagon

luding experiments with the corona virus strains anthrax chlera and other deadly diseases

the president of russia putin is saying that

and they've provided documents which they have actually submitted

to you won

they submitted them to the un

so they've submitted everything to the u n and i hope the u n conducts a fair and impartial investigation

on whatever they've submitted

thank

speak of the devil

of

people talking shit

if you don't think a lot of the negative attention directed against me or at least most or at least a large proportion of it

the tweets and all the shit people talk about me

is just astral turf

i want to refer you to this

ok

so uus must counter russian misinformation on ukraine

with pyops

according to experts

psychological operations are tactics geared toward shaping how people perceive things

you guys have to understand none of this shit is a conspiracy

all this shit is pretty much out in the open

it's pretty much out in the open and it always has been you just have to know where to look

most actual conspiracies

that are real

are on the surface you just have to know where to look and everything's admitted

i

check fact checking for evidence of azebites taking civilians hostage

yeah i saw that one

there's this weird video which i don't know can be confirmed or not

it's just a very weird video

t me show it to you it's really weird

mh

now some are accusing this of being staged i don't know if it's staged or not

it is a little cinematic like this is like a movie villain you know like you'll see it's like it's really weird right

ah

mhm

like

the vill the villains are like you know they're playing the piano and it's

kind of like straight out of a movie

in a lot of ways

you know

hello hello

i don't know it's

yeah

the reason i don't know if it's real or not and i got to listen i got to call it when i got to call it right i'm fair and i'm impartial

and

you know i'm not going to just

say well this this would make the russian side look better

but

i don't know i mean the one thing that really is getting me is

who filded this and why was it posted

how is it posted publicly

yeah the as off patch is also strategically displayed as well

so let's be fair and impartial guys this mary very well be staged

this would be one of the only and first examples

of russia staging objects

to look better

which the ukrainian side is doing on a widespread level

um

by

you know we're going to call it how we call it

the thing is we don't even know if this is

bake or not i'm just saying

just going off of this it kind of looks a little sauc

i just it looks a little sauce right

yeah it's just a little sauce we can't confirm or deny anything

um

we also don't even know what

context for that video was

so we'll be fair

wll be fair

there is a new accusation that a russian attack on ukrainian base in mi

may hoyllave

has killed dozens as it killed dozens of soldierss it killed dozens of civilians

m

that we cannot see

come from russian fortune yeah

yeah just so you guys know that like

most of myer people are attacking me

that this is the astroalturf

revealed

s spy operation that manipulates social media military sock puppet software

creates fake online identities to spread pro american propaganda

mm

no

this is from

march two thousand and eleven

i wonder if they' ever use that against chm

i wonder if they've ever used that against hos or

jackson or any of that right

well

before we get into

more

yes

youms just like

let's have levels of comedy

ok

guts e re see this

the times reported

that

three russian cosmonauts arrived at the international space station

last night in flight suits

made in the yellow and blue of the ukrainian flag

it would appear to be a daring statement against the war

that is very

very brave of those carsmen i

very brave very brave

the problem

course is that

from twenty fifteen we can see them also protesting in favor of ukraine

i mean look

the solidarity of these russian cosmonauts

is so profound and deep

that

they were showing solidarity with ukraine

before the intervention even happened

in twenty fifteen

that's how much

they weep

for the snake island thirteen who bravely gave their lives

resisting

russia

ok

i mean they they were so mournful for the snake island thirteen that they were

mourning them before they even die

hunter suits normally yellow wall

you so if you're an average guy you may ask the question

is that what their suits normally look like

but since this is checkmark

and its coming from the times which is a legitimate and credible source

three russian cosmonauts arrived at the international space station last night in flight suits

made in the yellow and blue of the ukrainian flag

would appear to be a daring statement against the war

so you're assuming that the times had some knowledge or information that you didn't youre assuming that

this isn't their regular uniform that they're specially wearing this

new uniform to show solidarity with ukraine

except

now what you guys have to start realizing is that

stop trusting experts

because anyone can work in media you could work in media

any discord ship poster can work

for the times you just have to like

know how to spinshit a little bit and it's not like they know things that we don't

you guys understand

you know most media

it doesn't have insider sources

doesn't have primary sources that you can't access our most media actual media starting to report

witterpoles

they don't really have access to things that

anyone else you know we can all

pretty much

do the same level of reporting as mainstream media

and it would be like the same level of factual truth because most of their primary sources

are not coming from these like

special inside secret sources you know

yeah

ok that's not the funniest thing i'm going to show you all night

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that is not the funniest thing i am going to show you allight

the funniest thing i'm gon to show you

and by the way

this is not

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fk

this is the funniest thing i'm going to show you

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thank

by the way this isn't a mean this is something they actually posted the ukrainian government actually post

now

you may say has you know what it just was filmed weird and you know yeah the lighting is really off

really off

um

and it also looks weird

but

that' the cony

pusic

but but i am more

absolute of suberocraty if she popert theiata co

sorry

but the wim i'm sorry it's so unnatural looking e so unnatural but that absolutely

ok yeah look none of the weirdest part of this is like

the floor

the floor doesn't you know what i mean like look at this

this doesn't look like someone

maybe it's real

i don't know what do you guys think

this real

there's no shadows there's oh there is hod on wait a w

no wait there are shadows look at that

maybe it's real

we there's shadows

that should mean something right

this is so

you know why they don't care if it looks real or not this is the truth

i want to know why they don't care if it looks real or not

because

this is something i have learned firsthand

the majority of people are stupid his fut

you know that

the majority of people are literally dumb

no and it's

guys

did you ever hear that thing that mean where it's like

most people don't have an internal monologue is that true like

most people

don't even think to themselves

is that actually real

like most people don't even have inner thoughts

is that actually true

i dont believe it's true

red scarre wants to debate me to tell him to get in show q it's not hard to debate me you literally just have to get in show q and

give me something to debate about

some people can't imagine an apple in their head

youuys don't always have like a voice in your head do you guys always have like

in internal consciousness

does anyone have not have an internal consciousness

then why did i hear this idea that a majority of people don't have

an inner monologue

they don't have any thought

i think for changs pit made that up because they were so blackpilled by how fuck and stupid people are

i'm pretty sure they were just but herd a how fucking stupid people were so they're like

they just made that up

it's actually true though think about it it's actually true like

most people are going to look at this and they're going to be like

yah the namscay yeah

you thinky

six

they don't care they don't they literally don't give a fuck

the

i know this firsthand

all right every time i

whenever i make any

post on twitter

whenever i make a post on twitter people are likeh sure

and they share that photo yeah two holes

must go maint

people are literally just stupid they're literally just fucking stupid

yaleski yeah

he's a tough guy

w

that

that's literally the majority of people they don't even think

they don't care

they're not going to notice that this is

if this is sauce looking they don't give a fuck

they don't think

maybe it's just boomers

i don't know

but whoever the mass target for this is does not care

they're like

yeah

got a tough nie

most people are just dumb as fuck

ok

just like the walking is really weird this is what really weirded me out like

yeah that's weird

sorry but

that's just a little too convenient

you know that's just a little too convenient

when he walks up like this

u

the lank you to the beggar

this shadow ok let's say it's a green screen

i'm pretty sure if you just have a light

here

you would have a shadow on the greenscreen i think that's what we're looking at

but

the shadow does kind of interact

with this shadow so i really don't know but it doesn't matter because most people won't fuck and care anyway

they flicker and there's zero depse in the background

yeat the weird thing is is that if this is green screen

this would not be a vidio this is literally just a picture

actually does

if you look the lights do kind of flicker like they do kind of change a little bit in the background

i don't know if you can see on your end

but they are kind of yeah if you look at here they are kind of flickering in't know

well we know where our taxpayer money is going

it

we know where our taxpayer is going

taxpayer money's going

and

to be honest

this is a rip he's getting ripped off he should go to congress and he's going to he should be like

i am not gidting

i'm not gitting

even hollywood this is what this is hollywood

i nean the hollywood

anet transformers michael bale

you are giving me bodywood

everyone keeps talking

about a no fly zone when what we really need to start talking about

is

um

a no

we need to start talking about a different kind of thzone

which in hollywood they called a blue screen

missing

only fuk

mmhmm

noble mooma thank you so much

i heard that

i really heard that

i actually heard that in a second

m

that's literally my best alert

that's the best sob blert i've ever had

also because it scares the shit uto everyone

that's the sublert that scares this shit out of the child thank you moll missionank you appreciate you

sas

they oposed the jackson speech really

see

lies holding firm refusing to back down

the great jackson hanke ladies and gentlemen

w'll stop everybody it's good to see you all big rad a plaa kb a moppin and the center for political innovation for putting this on

it's good to see so many normal people in here you know it's allday some

white pretty much father was a so guys i'm you can't actually see me because i'm very much

to the left right here i'm like out of frame it's an interesting place to grow up

my father

and you know what they're using that money at the capitol police to do now

they're using

st in united peru

iice

that's super cool

ah you can see logo in the intro video

hello everybody can you see me in the opening

i see

yeare you can

re you can guys guys heremy here i am

i'm right here

see me

right here

i'm right here

and that's samira

this is me and this is samira right here

my name is adn wester and i would like to welcome everyone to the suort conference of the center for political innovation

i saw you

dm i did not there's a lot of you in the chat to watch me

did not

approach me

i don't the only people who approached me was tallen

void burn

and one other one other guy i think one or two other guy you were scared

that's my biggest regret

honestly

you know how much that makes me feel like shit

come on guys

if anyone was scared to

come say hi

that makes me feel like shit that makes me feel like

wanting to go to bed feeling like shit

ok

and honestly guys i wanted to just chill with you guys in the middle but i was stcreaming instead

just because i had to stream like i didn't stream the day before whatever

but guys ok let me just be clear guys iw wasys joke about this

if you guys see me in person

you can show with me you can hang with me okay

like

i'm not going to fuck and be an asshol like you know this is our community it's my community you know

i joke like when i say that shit weere like if you see me in person don't go near me i don't want to talk to you like

it's mostly a joke ok

it's mostly to keep the weirdoes away right but like

you know

this is one of the only events where you guys get to see me in person you know

so don't be a stranger

but m

yeah i was really glad to meet everyone i met

i met twin i met voidburn

i wish i could have chilled more with everyone i met pesto i just wish i could have chilled more with you guys

instead of swimming

you know

but im

what did you think of the fentes destinyes w we're going to watch it

we're actually going to watch that

oh fuck you can see my ball spot look at this

am

that's vicious

there it is you can see my that this is how you know it's me

can see the ball swat it's a beacon

go to turkey i am going to go to turky

and he s i'm a narciist i only care about

it one of fck they turn back

y

i think this is me

no it's not

enforce idleness

and pledge our words and skill international

i'm not going to use an oxen i'm just going to go to turkey and get a transplant

right here

no are we no weh're in front right here oh f missed us

is that would of good

you can see me

just take the first sack

this first sec you could see me

one

there i am

i was so fuck and tired

but there i am

let's do like very slow mo

ah

there i am

right there

my posture's really bad here

madn my posture's horrible

pt the fog

i didn't get any sleep then

this does not look good

this is me

right here

this is like footage of me

its caught

why was my posture bad

h is dint ge any sleep

i di don't get any sleep

here i am

it looks really bad i'm not gonna lie

this looks really weird i look fat here

i am a narcisist i'm sorry

gotta wait until my

speech

i

yea that's me

and then i'm sure they're going to release my speech

in a few days

and we'll actually watch that ontream if you guys want you guys want to watch my speech on stream

when it's released

yeah we'll watch it onstream when it's released

when it's released

when it's released

yeah anyway

this is that l

zelenski

ok putin

appeers to a moscow stadium

and praises troops in ukraine andt check this out

raises the troops in ukraine

proud chance russia russia

they don't they only show you the protest of like a hundred people in moscow they don't ever show this to you

right

si pisana christians the the saying all of these supporters were paid

if all of these supporters were paid one dollar how much would that be

'd be a lot of fuck and money gy no they're all paid five dollars

two chairs two

a beautiful photo in fact checking let me chack it down

this is like batman

is this real

ten

that's real

that's real

that's a sign

yeah

story that er say it sis yes se if n p sty ve se if ca serious even the national here theational w you p youars be them you to dok w you have these two industral together for you to bece believe sure

what you do i d noting do' no brath bk wait del about noby good do go you need

is there rereditor account that said holy shit

my commanding officer came to my barracks to bring me an m r e and i literally screamed at her and hit the plate of rations out of her hand

she started yelling and swearing at me in ukrainian

which i didn't understand and i slammed the door on her

i'm so distressed right now i don't know what to do

i didn't mean to do that to my superior officer but i'm literally in shock from the cruise missile strike

feel like i'm going to explode

why the focking fock is a lenski losing

this can't be happening

i'm having a mental breakdown i don't want to believe the world is so corrupt that nato won't impose an ol fly zone

i want a future to believe in i want zelenski to be president of a united ukraine

and fix this broken country

i cannot fucking deal with this right now it wasn't supposed to be like this i thought we had an anti air coverage in western ukraine this is so

ntial gans so po sireus nugenia so polis you ginia and know who is nia but the uses you way nigeria paches the pople fy uss use what you be station what you do and yourly playground he

doctors gzll so girls you i don't us love i see that that thats you what you see that

the dsa is self destructing what's going on with this

o oh drama

the dsa n p c just released a statement discharting the b d s working group and suspending all b d s steering committee members

from holding positions in national leadership

one year after

had the audacity to stand with the palestinians

lexies bicps infra eight ready lexies bicps to

mm

mm

if nick land say anything no don't don't bother him

if you want to come on you can come on

don't bother him though you know like don't be annoying

don't be annoying

ya

finally i wanted

this final piece of news before we watch the destiny versus nick fuents debate

india has just bought oil from russia at a discount and in rupe's roubles this is a story you hear on hear on the news global

india does not give a far

about

he sanctions they don't give his shit

they don't fuck and care

they don't

give a flock

they literally don't care

all right we're going to watch the flintas

the debate

those who dance

keep saying the

all right we have to watch it on destiny's channel

uh but

you know

we're debating about the justification of russia change the title to

s invasion of ukraine the february invasion of ukraine cannot be justified by any means that are not overt russian propaganda or statements that entirely dismiss the sovereignty and right to self determination the ukrainian people

this invasion into ukraine must be opposed by any means necessary short of direct military conflict by anyone in the west who values any of the basic tenets of liberalism

or the rights of any nation to determine their own path forward in the world

tonight nick might try and convince you that nato promised it would not expand one inch further to the east ignoring that these comments were originally made by secretary of state james baker in nineteen ninety with regards to nato expanding its military presence into eastern germany

no it wasn't

because

you read the actual statements

it said if we guarantee

a nato presence in a reunified germany

we won't expand one inch east

gorbachev made it clear

that certainly we would not

expt

or find acceptable in expansion of nato's

zone

to the east of germany

which remains demilitarized to this day

interview with russia beyond the headlines gorbachev himself the soviet leader in one thousand nine hundred during these negotiations responded to a question asking why nato promises hadn't been legally encoded with gorbachev responding and i quote

the topic of nato expansion was not discussed from the what the twenty fourteen interview

yeah

gorbachev was talking about what they had been discussing at that time

but baker made it very clear that one inch east was one inch east it was only germany

best at all and it wasn't brought up in those years another issue we brought it wasn't brought up in those years

because nato never had the gall or the audacity to even suggest

to russia

that they were going to expand their sphere of influence

let's say we just granted destiny his argument and we granted this fairy tale idea

that

oh what they actually meant was they weren't going to expand it to the east

in germany

what do you think the implications of expanding even more east

would be then

you know that was just assumed that that's way off the table poland and the baltics and

you know hungary i mean that's just way of

if if they're supposedly negotiating about germany

you think that it's even like it would have even been conceivable for nato at the time

to entertain to gorbachev an expansion of nato to the east

of its eastern europe and folkna

up was discussed making sure that nato's military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then

after german reunification

baker statement was made in that context

everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify the political obligation was done and fulfilled quote

nick may try to say that some verbal assurances were made between leaders

but why would anyone ever expect the geopolitical landscape of an entire continent be dictated by verbal agreements made in one thousand nine hundred ninety between only two nations one that no longer even exists

this is even less reliable

because one inch east meant

not one inch yeast it's that simple

when you consider that the entire security situation would have radically changed with the rapid dissolution of the soviet union and along with the warsaw pact

no it wouldn't have because the russians

were thinking that the collapse of the soviet union would mean a complete and wholesale end

the hostilities

between the west and russia they said ok we're going to join the free world now that's what the whole fucking thing was about

the whole transition to democracy was about russia joining the west that's what it no one was thinking there's going to be a new

security situation

when everyone's assuming ok we're just going to have a new unified europe

what was gorbachev's vision of a

what did he call it

a europe from lisbon to something like that

perhaps nick will try to tell you that nato represents a real security threat against russia to that i have to ask a security threat preventing what exactly is it the

preventing what

i don't fuckon n

why don't you look at the the long trail of iraq

libya syria

et cetera i mean

what do you mean

along what do you mean preventing what

preventing regime change

the invasion of russia which there is absolutely zero precedent for any nato country doing is of

destiny be like

oh we didn't under we didn't have nuclear armageddon that means nato doesn't have bad intentions toward russia

oh nato didn't initiate

the end of the world and we're still

sitting on the computer

talking into mike's

oh that must mean what destiny

the fact that you're sitting down in front of a computer right now

means that nato did not

and no nato state has ever invaded russia because

that would be tantamount to starting a nuclear holocaust

the destruction of russian forces in russian territory there couldn't be a precedent for that

that doesn't mean nato doesn't have the intention

of regime change toward russia

in a way that could

bypass nuclear holocaust so fucking stupid

which there is also no precedent for any nato country doing is that the annihilation of russian forces in russian allied territory by nato countries whichs only happened when russia has lied about its deployed paramilitary forces as they did in two thousand and eighteen in syria during the battle of kasham

perhaps if i may suggest instead what nato represents is a threat to russia's ability to undermine and interfere with the politics of its neighboring countries

imagine a situation

situation where russia recognizes two independent self proclaimed republics that no one else in the world recognizes they thena

g that's not true

i don't know if he's being hyperbolic but

there are countries around the world that recognize the donyatsk and lugonks people's republics

and in their military to secure peace not only in the contested region but to march far beyond that the rest of the country simply out of fear the election the democratic leader who favors dealing with the west more than russia

not even talking about the modern day conflict in ukraine but instead this is the story of the two thousand and eight was so georgian war where instead of the self proclaimed republics of luhonskin donessk it was the self proclaimed republics of south osetia and and

yeah but that was a dispute that was never settled even after the collapse of the soviet union

the conflict in georgia began immediately in the nineties

that never ended

aazya and abbazia sorry

instead of securing the important geographical funnel of ukraine it was establishing loyalist states in the south caucasus region

how many of these strategically vital war no it wasn't about establishing loyaliestates you dumb fuck

there was a civil war in georgia

the south ossetian separatists were not created by russia

because that was in the immediate aftermath of the end of the soviet union the same thing happened in transnistria

there was no like russian deep state the the soviet didn't collapse

everything was like in chaos

you had these russian speakers

living in georgia

living in moldova now transnistria

who were not accepting the new status quo and russia

because of the overwhelming consensus of the russian people

supported them

this is a complete fucking

rewriting of history

or is are we forced to allow russia to engage in

i wonder if nick will bring up broken promises and agreements with the soviet union and russia that were actually put to paper could be the nineteen ninety paris charter signed by

i was it broken

the u s sr which and i quote fully recognize the freedom of states to choose their own security arrangements

one nick match

ok but then there's also the o s c e

which recognize that one state's security cannot come at the expense of another

in the nato russia founding act nineteen ninety seven pro to four months of intense negotiations between the secretary general of nato javier solana and the russian foreign minister primakov which established the p j c or russian nato permanent joint council that committed both nato and russia too and i quote build together a lasting and inclusive peace in the euro atlantic area on the principles of democracy and cooperative security i wonder if you'll mention any of the budapest

how was russia violated that

and notnatal

meorandom the budapest memorandum was violated when the u

it started sanctions against belarus in twoentousand and thirteen twenty fourteen

don't fucking talk about the budapest memorandum when the uus already violated it

three separate agreement signed in one thousand nine hundred four between the world's nuclear powers to eliminate the existence of nuclear weapons in belarus kazakhstan and ukraine an agreement i should say that required these three countries to give up the most reliable means they had securing their sovereignty in exchange for promises of and again i quote

independence and sovereignty in the existing borders

and a refrain from the threat or the use of force against belarus kazakhstan and ukraine signed by the united states the uk and russia

maybe nicholas you're omitting the part about how it also says you cannot use economic coercion which u s sanctions

did indeed use

finally the maidan coup in twenty fourteen which there is overwhelming evidence

for us

meddling and support for also violates the budapest memorandum

attack thes just all brain dead stupid fucking bullshit

idea of nato being a defensive alliance and point of time for nato has indeed active acted aggressively in the past

we're supposed to ignore that none of these aggressions happened towards russia itself of course

i'm curious which intervent interventions particularly threaten putin

does nato's intervention in one thousand nine hundred five the bosnian war threatened putin's plans for neighboring countries

this is like one of those toys where you wind it up

and you just let it talk

yea yaa the and he'

shot the fock up you were a stupid falking person shot the fock up literally shot the fock up

he's like going off thinking he's smart

saying this

hold on destiny hold your horses for a second in one thousand nine hundredine five putin wasn't the leader of russia was he

that wasyeltson

putin wasn't even in the fucking picture yet now was he

how could that be how could putin's plans be relevant whatsoever when putin was a nonexistent political force in one thousand nine hundred five

hold on a second destiny before you get fucking excited

with your dumb ass fucking onm

claims

and he was pro west back then

guys so fucking dumb

an intervention that ended the precision bombing campaign that brought about an end to the indiscriminate shelling of civilian cities and towns ethnic cleansing and systematic mass rapes being committed during sauid conflict sputin worried that his attacks today on mariopol kharkiv kirson and against countless civilians in ukraine resembled too closely the absolute destruction he wrought in twenty fifteen the city of aleppo during the syrian civil war or the twenty seven thousand civilians killed when grozi was decimate during the first jechen war in nineteenine fourin his own borders

he threatened putin do natos intervention in one thousand nine hundred five in the bosnian war threatened putin's plans for neighboring countries intervention that ended with precision bombing campaign that broughtbout an end to the indiscriminate shelling of civilian cities and towns ethnic cleansing and systematic mass rapes being committed during sauch conflict beuten worried that his attacks today on mariopol arki cerson and against countless civilians

cratee resembled too closely the absolute destruction

why would he be worried about that

assuming it's true which you have not established in any kind of way

he wrought in twenty fifteen the city of aleppo during the syrian civil war

or the twenty seven thousand civilians killed when grozi was decimated during the first chechen war in nineteen ninety fourin his own borders does natan intervent does nato intervention in kosovo stop the to stop the ethnic cleansing of albanias by yugoslavia skerputin does he see himself

self as momloshevik the first sitting had hed a state be charged with war crimes a man who was complacent with genocide occurring under his own military is he worth

am i am literally speechless about how fucking stupid this guy is

that he may want to repeat of what he did in georgia with the russian backed to recognize south thesia forces were responsible for an ethnic cleansing of georgians of almost twenty thousand of them being displaced from their homes

does the twenty eleven nato intervention in libya scare putin does he imagine him so

ok i think we're getting more we're getting warmer destiny

yeah libya we're getting kind of warmer

where

well are you going to justify that one go ahead

ought to be gaddaffi a man who imprisoned tortured and gassed his own citizens ah ok now we begin with the lies

so

yeah i'm not that educated about the balkan war so i'm not going to speak on them

i know that

horrible atrocities were committed

against the

bosnians and against albanians it about that

that's my impression right

um

but i do know more about libya

and in the case of libya

you know

yeah that's when i know i can start calling bullshit

right

the man who had the incredulity incredulity to accuse al qaeda of using l s d and nest cafes to poison the minds of his political adversaries

ah

is

does destiny think every side committed atrocities that's what i've heard as well

there's destiny on

is this thething smart

k gaddafi accused al qaeda of using lsd to to

boison his political adversaries

ok

that doesn't justify

an encroachment upon libya's sovereignty by nato

nato does not have the right to intervene in the affairs of other states

for because they have opinions about how the political process should be done

that's what sovereignty means

ok

nato does not have that fuckin right

it doesn't matter how crazy or how bad you think aadhafi is

you don't have the fuckin right to invade a country

and encroached upon its fucking sovereignty

just because you think the regime is bad

unless gaddafi poses some kind of material threat to europe

which i

which is not true gaddafi is actually the one who came to an agreement with europe

but limiting migration as well as cooperating on the issue of counter terrorism

so that al qada

does not attack euro

uh after the uh overthrow of gaddhafi we saw a

libya become a transport hub for mass migration into europe

a increasing overall social instability within europe

ah because of the clash of

cultures and stuff

increased levels of terrorism in europe because isis was infiltrating as well

a isis had a foothold in libya still has a foothold in libya to my knowledge

um

and there's also you want to start airing dirty laundry destiny as a result of nato's intervention slavery has returned to libya

for the first time

like over one hundred years it's returned

mean libya's the worst example you could use libya was once the most

prosperous country on the african continent

and it got reduced to rubble and dust

because of nado's intervention

this is the worst example you could use

of putin unreasonably fearing nato's actions thse

perfectly reasonable to fear

that nato has

the same designs on russia that it did for libya

maybe nick will repeat krevilin's talking points about the fear of nazis in ukraine

where are they where are all these nazis every time i hear someone claim about nazis the only two things they seem to bring up are the azov battalion small force numbering less than a thousand soldiers and

did destiny just say that the asof battalion only has a thousand soldiers

because i'm twenty seventeen

it had twenty five hundred

according to wikipedia by twenty twenty two

it had only nine hundred members

that's according to al jazeera apparently

but the azoll battalions

wasn't

not only a battalion anymore it spread to much others

right

yet they're they're officially part of the national guard

al zezeer claims it's estimated at nine hundred

no source given

and we can pretty we can be certain that it's even if it was nine hundred before this

war

it's much much higher now

much higher

the pon ndera me but it is no actually to be fair it's about to be zero in a few days

true

who died in one nine hundred fifty nine that remains incredibly divisive in ukraine to this day

i'll be take

yet he's divisive

because

pro russians hate him and anti russians love him

like that simple

gld off nick if nick wants to take up the position we should be canceling people based on problematic histories and their associations with far right movements i suppose we'll see what he does

far right party of svota today has only fifteen thousand members across the entirety of some forty four million people who live in ukraine they only hold a single seat in that parliament

polling data shown the ukrainian to s of thst welcoming people towards jewish people and all of eastern europe between may and august twenty one thousand ukraine was the only country in the world other than israel nex favorite country jewish people are not the only victims of contemporary neo nazism

there's also russians

first and foremost

but then there's also immigrants like africans and other minorities

to have both a jewish head of government boldmre grossman and jewish head of state vuldimre zlenski the only time ukrain's recent history when the svotter party even had any real political influence at all was when they were being propped up by unakov to be pro russian president

if russia was so concerned about fascist why would she not turn her eyes to the russian imperial movement operate so freely out of staint petersburg this is a movement that coordinates with several neo nazi movements all throughout europe even

russia does not allow nunazis to freely demonstrate on its streets

and it certainly doesn't give them any

say in the russian government

training three swedish neo nazis before sending them back to sweden where they bombed a center for asylum seekers among other attacks in europe they've been involved in nothing operates with the russian border so freely without putin's implicit approval so why does he not remove this organization from existence clearly because putin explicit why doesn't putin remove liberal organizations from existence he doesn't

it's not how russia's political system works

support putin does not have absolute control over everything that fucking happens in russia

and is supported by nazis dimitrikins the founder of russia's wagner group wagner group and he bears wafan s s tattoos on his collarbone and chest commanding officers commanding officers have been seen sporting where macds giving nazi saluteespring swastikas on desecrated houses a place of worship while conducting operations in syria the central african republic and libya on behalf the russian state

evidence that it's on behalf of the russian state

lastly maybe nick will just appeal to the illegal coup known in ukraine as the revolution of dignity staged in twenty fourteen by america in order to overthrow yanukovych there is not a shred of verifiable evidence for this the euromidon protest erupted across ukraine from late twenty thirteen to early twenty fourteen for a whole host of reasons wasn't solely du to yanakoviych who against the will of the parliament

exited a non exclusive free trade agreement the e u and entered the exclusive eurasian economic union with russia ukraine was widely considered in the

who would wait did you say yanakovich started a coup

j already nine donated ten dollars

thank you

wenty tent be one of the most corrupt countries in the world the actual ousting of yanukovych would only happen after he ordered his police to open fire on protesors killed over a hundred and spend a few days

which was debunked by jackson by the way detsey saying shit that was debunked by jackson

because the testimony of the snipers

he's out there

and almost no one repeats this lie anymore

with anukovych ultimately fleeing the country in fear of repercussions who knows maybe the shooters were secret cia agents as well russia's right to security does not supersede ukraine's right to sovereignty fresia has a problem with all its neighboring members choosing to look west for their future instead of to russia perhaps it's an issue for russia to sort through

nations should be able to dictate their own security without being threatened by a neighboring power hell bent on rebuilding a dying empire

miter

i front desk go ahead sir

all right

are you going to call it a dying empire because i'm pretty sure russia's in these stages of the birth

of a new russian great power what do you mean dying empire what's dead the soviet union's gone

there's no dying empire

well

very interesting opening statement but i think the rebuttal the counter argument is supposed to come after

my argument i didn't hear a whole lot of justification

for the nato position only just sort of these preemptive counter arguments against some of the so called kremlin arguments so called pro russian arguments

i

i didn't prewrite my statements so i'm just going off the comp here i'll say

o

yeah he's he debates just like me i don't do this fucking cuckshit

where i write down ever i don't do that fucking cockshit right

i feel like everyone who's smart

does this they just like you could if you're smart you could do it off the top of your head you don't need a fucking

rewrite anything and sound like a little bitch so in off

you know in authentically like a little cock you know

say this

you a lot of what i just heard is really wholly irrelevant

to the core argument in favor of the russian intervention or the argument that the russian

special military operation in ukraine is appropriate and reasonable and limited

in terms of its objectives

my position has little to do

with the asop ittaliion or the policing infsities discord is feeding the him in for the whole time

did you know that

let me tell you something

destiny doesn't know how to debate about anything without

the life support coming from

he scored and chat

without that

he does not survive he's li i told you he has a symbiotic relation

with the chat where he just starves he starves

b think you bring him

all right it has little to do

you did it once with a vegendude

that was the one exception and i'll tell you why it was the one exception

because

i

insisted that the debate happen in the afternoon

and he said no

so i ended up not getting any sleep at all

and knowing i wasn't getting any any sleep because he insisted that it was going to be so early

i pre wrote an opening statement the night before cause i knew i wasn't getting any sleep

and that was his fault

even with the claims that the u s had involvement in the made on revolution in twenty fourteen

it has nothing to do with the assurances made to gorbachev that

photin claims were there and others deny

has nothing to do with any of that

that has to do principally with the expansion of nato into eastern europe and specifically into ukraine

and if you go through a timeline of events it's really quite simple

a in nine hundred ninety one of course you have the dissolution of the soviet union and this is a

you know w famously describes this as a geopolitical catastrophe and what he's referring to is the fact that

overnight russia loses half of its population and parts of its territory that it control for hundreds of years

formerly under the russian empire and then

under the soviet union

yeah and additionally

russian speakers

were displaced

beyond the borders of russia

which is

probably the biggest one

right

ukraine in particular was controlled by russia for hundreds of years it was only an accident of how lenin

organized the soviet union administratively that ukraine had any kind of autonomy or any kind of nationhood at all

but

what liberals and what the nato faction likes to do is save

is this fucking cock jat

look at this chad of little bitches l

why theyre spamming the copium re mot

at a literal fact

like

this dude is literally just stating facts and there's do doing the copa mode

it's like they cope by using the copa mote it's fucking crazy

it after the dissolution of the soviet union after

the former soviet union countries

and declared independence

that there's no take these backseas that's just

set in stone these accidents

administrative accidents of world history are now locked in ethnic russians abroad and former russian lands whether they be

russian empire soviet union are forever lost now

and the so called sovereignty of nations that never really existed states that never existed must be respected

add infinitum until the end of time and there's nothing that russia can do about it

i

and i find that problematic as far as the sovereignty argument goes but let's take it a step further

you and i love about this debate

destiny had to put his own chat up on screen

cause his own chat was consoling and comforting the whole time he'd be like

well find the chattel make me look better

nato was formed explicitly to counter russian power on the european continent of course nato was formed in response to stalin's control over eastern europe

and was formed to shore up western europe against a threat of the soviet union which emerged from world war two was the second world superpower

why then did after the fall the soviet union the having of russia's population the decimation of the russian military decimation of the russian empire

did nato a defensive alliance formed explicitly as a counterbalance to russia not only not to spand with the soviet union and the warsaw pacts

remain in place

but actually then expand further

and oneusand nine hundred ne sen that's exactly what they did they announced their intention

to expand and there was of course the first trunch of natohdsiriaus

this chat

right here

would get en alive

by this guy's chat

they would get eaten alive it's like

this is like a fucking cot

this is a fucking literal cope savee space

for them

because if this guy's chat

oh my god it's fuckinglegg

expansion in one thousand nine hundred nine to poland czech republic and hungary the second trig of expansion two thousand and

which included the baltic states as well as

uh slovenia and other nations but like i'm saying that because

destiny's chat is known for being like one of the most toxic brutal chats

yeah you guys you guys will all get fucking eaten for breakfast by this guy's chat

then the third triy they would get fucking desecrated

is

there would be

mental scarring and p ts d for life

if this guy's chat

ever clash with this one

these guys would literally

i can't even say it

they

in two thousand and nine with albania

and with croatia

what's more there would be trauma one hundred percent

in two thousand and eight

no to gyet you know you know what see look

people say

that nicks communities

the be the worst to me ever

but destiny's community just attacks women

they just attack like

he's like defenseless

irrelevant

or defenseless

other type they just attack like random women right

is chat

attacks people like destiny you know

that's why destiny scared shitless of nick

it's not because he actually respects this guy

doesn't respect anyone i mean how could he right

does' he en respect himself

but he's scared really scared of his chat

declared that they would respect the aspirations

of ukraine and georgia to join nato it's at this point that russia draws a firm red line

and russia says at the outset at the bucharest conference in two thousand and eight

that ukraine and georgia would not be permitted to join nato

they said that that's unacceptable to their security posture that's unacceptable to their national interest

a and of course russia then intervenes in the georgian civil war akazi ands avo stia to that a stabilize georgia prevent them from joining

ukraine

of course then in twenty fourteen you've got the mad on revolution

a pro western leader is installed

russia intervenes in crimea and don bass again to secure their part switching of oscowll secure the if yous moscow government chp ability in the region

and then

why he kept it on twitch for this long

and got away with it

has fueled the civil war in don bass ever since for the past eight years again to prevent ukraine from joining nato it is at this point in twentousyd fourteen that we saw really the fundamental root causes of the crisis

for the twenty two years

between the fall the soviet union and the madan revolution there's no crisis in ukraine there is no war there is no invasion there are not hundreds of thousands of troops on the border the status quo which was to have ukraine a is a neutral buffer state means that there is peace

it is not until the twenty fourteen coup

when the prospect of ukraine joining nato becomes a real distinct possibility again

six years of nato ignoring russia' security concerns that the crisis begins and russia invades crimea

and begins fueling the separatistm don maass it is at this point that nato in the west begin a full scale demonization campaign of russia

and they say that russia is doing this because and we for the usual line russia is evil putin is evil he is a revanist meaning that his principal goal is destiny sat is to rebuild the soviet union or the russian empire

at any cost

and it's sort of an interesting prospect that for fourteen years the most that russia had ever done was quell is sdonesty the most brain dead take from destiny that i've ever heard he saes like

phu diin just want to rebuild the soviet union

and it's like you know why because it's such like a stupid

fok brain dead educated

just like

surf it's like it's like what a fifth grader would say oh you have this so your bfar and blut just want to bring it back

it's like the dumbest fucking thing i have ever heard

separatists

in chahnya

as well as provide material support to separatists notzi and south the seta you know that some empire building project that for fourteen years

there's no real expansion of the russian state again outside of arguably to small breakaway regions in georgia

it's in twentusyd fourteen in response

to a pro western coup in kiev that russia begins its

attack on ukraine

but where was the provocation of course the provocation was a continued

so called aspirations of ukraine to join nato and then the ouster

of democratically elected and most trusted politician in ukraine yanekoviych in the installment of a rapidly

anti russian leader

so what precipitated the crisis truly well was the western forces

since then the west engages in the demonization campaign its is all along even though they

and honestly when russian invaded crimea this hot the west off guard that

fuilling in separaateist and don bast caught the west off guard but overnight

you know whereas obama said in two thousand and twelve you know

ladies call they want their foreign policy back and hillary clinton hit the reset but with sgate labp overnight

we determined that pu was always

no good evil dictator and so on with these revenges

just clas

after his response to the mad on revolution

does the united states abandon its ambitions for ukraine to join nato of course not and these are some of the precipitating factors

for the current crisis in september of twenty twey

isn't this such like a cocki mote

what is this a mod called

it's like the moat of the nerd

sowing out

what is it

ll w yeah ll w

is like

ll w is like i just imagine is like this nerdy guy with his fucking

titdy's hanging and he's just like

and he's like soying out

you know like

he's like he's like having fun he's like

he like

it's like an adult on a swing we and that's what a fucking looks like

it looks like the most pathetic thing ofver

it looks like the bliss of nerves

i hate it so much

lullw is the ugliest mode of all time

now kk w is a fucking god to remote

keck w is way fucking better

loll dubby is just such a hideous

facial expression

it's total biscuit i don't know who that is okay i just don't know who that is

i don't care who the guy is i'm saying

the

fox

and facial expression are hideous

ok

it's just a bad emotion

moey the united states flies be pass to

guys you know what i i can't see anything anymore and so i can't see anything it's like i critique

i like i say some short like you know what i i i don't like hambur i don't like fucking um

i don't like uh big max and people be like you know the guy who made big max actually is s s the fuck upra i don't even know what to say

like

you know you can't even do anything anymore you can't i'm i hate this song i really did you know that the that the grandma of the guy who made this song passed away and i don't fuck it no

the two bombers

across the edge of the crimean peninsula and

nar don bass a very provocative action these are nuclear capable bombers

in june twenty twenty one

so i don't know who total bit who is total biscuit let me look it up

i don't know who that is

i wouldn't i'm not going to disrespect anyone who's dead ok r ip anyone who's dead

i'm just saying it's like you guys think i know shit and i don't

you guys think i know something and i don't ok

he was

of video gaming commentator and game critic on youtib ok well r i p sorry

months later the ar i peat to everyone who'se

you know

i don't know what to tell you

the united kingdom sales a british destrct can't critique lull w and the vibe i get from lull w without

going down this rabbit hole

the hms defender

into disputed black sea waters weres chased out by russia

i don't like ok fine i love the amote guys no i don't like the

ok

november tenth twenty twenty one ukraine in the united states in't have to like

every mode

ok

the charter on strategic partnership

no guy stop stop stop

he actually died then stopped

yes

and this is updated

document from two thousand and eight washington says it supports ukraine's qote aspirations to join nato

oh my god

o megalow is the amot of petals o megalow is the petal amte

omegalol is the ultimate pedal remlde

yeah

goglfan has it exactly correct

this is the ranking w is the best

then the normal imogies the best

then k w then loll

then lu w and the worst one is omegalow omegalow's the worst one i hated so fuckin much

october twenty sixth twenty twenty one ukraine

begins using turkish by rocor drones and don bass which decisively of course the mega law looks like an annoying kid

like sponge bobs going like some fucking annoying

it l yeah it's like it's the most annoying a mot

of all time and i fuck and hateed

tide of the

twenty twenty to cornokre abok war and of course they purchased

these turkish draws from turkey a nato country and this is

this is the rearmament of ukraine and then finally the the last drock coms in february nine hd twenty twenty two

when vladimir selenski at the munich security conference suggests

that ukraine may rearm itself with nuclear weapons

and so you see in twenty fourteen

installment of the pro western government the prospect that ukraine will join nto something that's unacceptable to russia which they make clear since two thousand and eight and then you see what the precipitating factors rough twenty twenty twenty twenty one and finally in twoentousyd and twenty two is there omega kick w where it's omgall but inside of it is kick w

once again a security situation that is increasingly unacceptable for the russian state

a nuclear ukraine antagonism by the british navy in the black sea by the american i don't have that one i don't have the

ya you know what

mod's replace i don't we're not having omega alall on our chat we're going to have omega k w but not both

get rid of omega wall and replace it with omega kgw

force

overcriming and don bass once again

unfaced nato expansion into ukraine and i would point out for anybody that says that russia is some revangist state or

something like this what does russia have to fear from a defensive alliance

i'll reiterate

nato was formed explicitly this was its express purpose

to counter russian power

on the european continent that they fet you know what get rid of a lol w i hate that one get rid of it

yeah get rid of lud i don't want to it just gives me bad vibes i don't even want to fuck and see it

i didn't want to see ld w

my chat

purpose of nato is to contain russia after the soviet union collapses and russia is weak and vulnerable and amputated nato expands in three major trotes thirteen countries

over the past twenty years the combined military spending of nato exceeds one trillion dollars in just twenty twenty one alone

compared to russia which is only spent sixty seven billion dollars

on its military

they say that russia' is revanjus because it expanded allegedly into crimea donbass

alkaze and soltho stya nato was expanded to thirteen additional countries

they talk about russian aggression when nato has done far more military interventions in the century

in afghanistan iraq libya

and elsewhere across africa and the middle east whereas russia had a minor engagement in the syrian civil war

u and fundamentally what it comes down to is the

ignorance of the americans and the refusal to acknowledge that america is not a benign hejimonch we are the most powerful country in the world

the purpose of the military alliance is to contain russia and russia

just like ukraine has a legitimate security interest that it is seeking to protect and so therefore the special operation in ukraine is something that is reasonable and pursuant to those valid strategic goals

the united states should listen to russia negotiate with russia

not some items that they can find common ground on and if they had done that back in january there would be no

so that concludes my oping state

i was very good

the god dessing he did that all off the top of his head

we'll do some questions back and forth and we'll

take

maybe take questions from the audience as well but as you guys know the main part of the guys questioning each other so i'll begin with you dos'ny

so before we dive in because we agree on maybe half of this and that some of this were prettygus was on i'm curious if we

if i grant almost every ud is already conceding

everything you've said let's say that i grant that russia has a legitimate security interest

in in having ukraine be a vassal state or what of their

uh they're big union let's say that i

i do grant that

why would russia's security interests there supersede ukraine's sovereignty to make decisions for themselves

what like

i just weep

were the stupid

i just weep for them

and under what how would you tell an entire country

what is ukraine's security interest

feel like listen we know you guys want to look more west we know you want trying to reclaim crimea

and increase its attacks against eastern ukraine

on of these three trade agreements but we can't do that because daddy russia is scared so you kind of have to couk yourself eternally to that country good luck

yes i've heard that argument before and it's this question of security versus sovereignty and

you know unfortunately i think the consequence of you know this nato expansion everything is that slens he was in bold and you know the question is to me

you know whether there's sovereignty or security i think is sort of an abstract question the question is you know why is russia currently in ukraine

well i guess you would say that right you know russia having some kind of control over ukraine a allur influence

over ukraine at all compromises or sovereignty in favor of russia security

i would say this is just how great powers behave this is unfortunately you knowun fortunately or unfortunately this just how

the world is

the question is how do we prevent conflict in ukraine you know why are there currently people dying why is there a war going on

and that is because nato has expanded in ebolden zelenski

um and they have not negotiated with russia now russia has had to undertake something which uh

you know they've had to demonstrate what a sphere of influence is really about which is that there's an underlying threat

of the use of force

um so you know i agree with you in some sense that

that you know ukraine must be a vassal state for russia to have it security but

this is how great powers operate this is how the entire western hemisphere is organized this is how if that's like or goanized if that's the response then why can't i just so i'm looking for some normativity from you not just descriptions and

but if we are just going to go on descriptions you can't really then attack nato for continuing to expand because i would just utter the same backterial well this is just what the united states would do of course we want to expand our sphere of influence

no because we're not just talking about expanding your sphere influence

as much as it's about defensively securing the one you already have

once and include ukraine and tonato but at that point you're not really left with

with being able to defend russia's actions any more than i would defendos actions including ukraine

well here's what i would say the difference is is that

for

for russia ukraine is a vital security interest

for nato ukraine is not a vital security interest and that really is where the

it is literally that simple

difference lies is that

you know you know once again when you consider that you could say that well ukraine has a right to join the nato alliance you know they may prefer it i would say there's a yeah there's a plurality of people in ukraine who want ukraine to be a nato member state but what exactly does this do for

of the united kingdom what exactly and really more fundamentally what is this

have anything how does it benefit the united states of america you know because ultimately

the nato defenseive alliance and security guarantee is built on the american military more than anything else more than you know the paltry contributions of germany france the unit in it's about the american

defense guarantee

that's the question is

you know as far as russia intervening this is a defensive act

shoring up a vital security interest nato expansion into

slovenia croatia ukraine how is this i guess i will throw it back to you

why is this a vital security interest for the nato countries and more specifically the united states which underlies also well so the first first it doesn't have to be a viutal security interest the membership into nato is contingent upon a country wanting to join and contingent upon nato membership countries wanting cot

destiny asked for a normative argument and then gives a descriptive response to a question that begs a normative conclusion

to join doesn't necessarily have to represent a security interest for everybody to allow countries into into the fold right we would argue like did the baltic states represent like

yeah but the question is normatively loaded

if it doesn't

why would they want ukraine actual security interest for the rest of europe did any of something like that these countries from these countries need to join nato to show up the security of europe other people might argue that the broader

peace enjoyed by europe might be because of the expansion of nato that it's hard to attack a country that is under this umbrella this guarantee of safety and peace other people might say if we start seeing massive excursion massive fleeings of refugees everything from ukraine they might point to that and go oh well look there's the security interest you know similar to

you know what this is like

this is like going up to some guy

slapping him across the face unprovoked

and then he punches you into next weekend

and then you wake up

and then some one comes to they ask

why did you slap him across the face and he goes

look at the way he punched me

that's why

but when we had the massive fleeing of syrians from syria and we had a refugee criss europe well now we have refugees fleeing from ukraine because of actions that russia is taking into ukraine i notice when you frame this conversation a lot i not blame you for this but it's a often framed as like an issue between russia and the united states security interest what is the russian security interest what is the united states security interest what about ukraine security interest right if we talked to any of the other eastern european nato member states like oh well you know like how are the baltics feeling right now you know how are poland how how are you guys feeling right i n

how are the baltics feeling right now

i don't know it depends

are they doing another one of their s s march rallies that they fuck and do

the commemorate the nazis during world war two

how have the baltics felt how do they treat the russian minorities

in their own countries how does latvia

treat the russian minority in its own country

how does estonia

treat the russian minority in its own country

lithuania is the least

bad to the russian minority

because lithuania actually has a history of being a state

lat to be estonia don't

they're probably feel pretty good they're probablyeel a lot more secure you would ask ukraine imagine they would probably feelretty secure as well they probably wouldn't have to worry about their ports being taken over by russians breakaway states being recognized as independent and

i can't fok and believe how disgusting these people are

i can't believe how funked and disgusting they are

the baltic countries already joined nato

they already joined nato

russia' is doing this because of the culmination

of nato's eastward expansion right on to its border

and ukraine is the last straw

and now destiny saying well i'm sure that it's what i just told you you go up to a guy you spit in his fuck and face you keep spitting in his face

five hundred times

and then

finally you spit in his face one last time this time loaded with mucus

and he gets so fuckin mad

that he just does a donkey kong from super smash brother's maylades pah fucking sclaps your fucking face

and you have like a

you have like a a two d face because the got clapped

and then you turn and someone asked you

why did you spit in his face i'm sure you don't regret spitting in his face ha do you look what he did to your face

what he just fucking sad

russia has never exhibited any

any like annexation or taking over ports or anything that you're talking about except in defence of toenato's expansion

which started first

and that's a fucking fact

i think it's worth addressing so so answerr question like in one the security interest isn't necessarily relevant that's a requirement to join nato but too if we are going to talk about security interest that it is relevant

because you started this argument

by asking why does russia security supersede ukraine's

be able to talk about the ukrainian security interests which is keeping their country free of russia i know about the vulgar red gap i' one who brought it up

well and i think that's actually i mean to ask the question is to answer it what is ukraines security interest you know ukraine's not very secure right now

right i mean russia is invading ukraine russia is currently bombing ukraine involved in a full scale invasion of ukraine

and so

you know what was alenski daring russia to intervene you know when lens he goes to the munix security conference and says

and he didn't say you know because i know you're very

very technical about the details didn't say explicitly we're going to get nukes but he says look he says

ukraine disarmed because of the budahest memoranda he said

we've asked the signatories

the thre times since twenty fourteen

to shore up their promise from the buddahest memorandum which is to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine and this we're going to ask them one fourth and final time but if they don't do it then we're going to rescind all the that all the material

promises ofu the budapest memorandum which is like an implication

which is very startling and you i think you would amit a very provocative thing

but it'sres almost suggesting

and you may say it's fair but it's suggesting

nuclear rearmament on russia's border

and so you know the question about security it's like well this ukrainian policy of pro poking the bear and saying we're not giving up don bass we're not giving up crimea you know and we are considering nuclear armament and then they get invaded by russia

i mean obviously this is and the point i'm trying to make is this

the expansion of nato

it's not enhancing the security of ukraine it's not enhancing the security of the united states or russia this is a it's a reckless action and proof of the putting is in the eating because the outcome has been catastrophic for the whole world we've now

hold on

what

i'm looking at something and apparently doogan got appointed the e o

of channel one news in russia can anyone confirm

no

that whole time there was no sound

okay fur

poking the bear and saying we're not giving up don bass we're not giving up crimea you know and we are considering nuclear armament and then they get invaded by russia

i mean obviously this is and the point i'm trying to make is this

the expansion of nato

it's not enhancing the security of ukraine it's not enhancing the security of the united states or russia this is a it's a reckless action and the proof of the putting is in the eating because the outcome has been catastrophic for the whole world we've now got

you know potentially a shooting war which could break out between russia and the united states is what selensi is invited

sletsky is saying

let's have a no fly zone over ukraine you understand what that entails

and the united states won't even send their fier jets to powers compensate all right because

and so the point is this

is this expansion it's not good for it's not good for ukraine security clearly or russia's or the united states

what should have been done is that russia and the united states and ukraine could have had a constructive dialogue about surface to surface missiles

about the russian base in crimea

you know and

fats

there's just and i don't want to ramble too much ill is my last point i'll liket you respond that's the thing

russia kept asking for dialogue they kept asking

let's sit down let's just

he let's just negotiate and they don't want to fucking do it they don't take him seriously

you know

yeah for eight years they're trying to fuckhi dialogue

and they don't give a fou

only now they give a fuck when they actually do something you know

he talked about we can enhance one country's security at the expense of another well let's say for the sake of argument that nato expansion

enhances the security of ukraine because you're right i mean would this prevent russia from intervening if it was a done deal probably yes

but what does this entail this entails that nato now has a right

to put military bases surface to surface missiles potentially a b m platforms and other things in ukraine it means that there's a nato naval base in crimea if that that becomes part of ukraine again

this is a detriment to russian security so by bringing nato forces and again and what is the purpose of nato the purpose of nato is to contain russia so you've got nato now again its purpose is to contain russia and ukraine right on their border and you know how strategically important the black sea is

you brought those bases to russia's doorstep

is this a detriment to russia's security interest yes so if you talk about you know what hancing one security one nation security at expense of another that's what nato enlargement dots the status quo

p

he's not crazy

we see the injustice

at every level of life

you want to know the only evidence you need

of the arrogance of how the west behaves in the world

and how they don't believe in any fairness or equality or anything like that

look at within our countries

look at every institution how they act

every single mainstream media every establishment every institution

they always act in a way

where power goes before truth

they say oh we don't need to be just we have power

that's with everything

everything

look at hot any any fucking company you work for anything you do

barness doesn't fuck and matter the only thing that fucking matters is what

you know

the law of the jungle yet

it's not just the west of you're right

but

the only difference is that the west pretends to be this

democracy that believes in the rule of law and justice and fairness and equality or ever nobody else to pretends to be that you know

that's the difference

ensure the security of all the countries the west uses the authority of democracy

uses the authority of the

liberal freedoms and shit

to be able to boss around others

they say oh we're not see look if this world was the law of the jungle china and russia would eat the it would eat europe for breakfast

europe gets its power because they go oh we're defending

democracy we're defending human rights we're defending equality if all that shit was gone there would be no chance it would be eaten alive

india's got over a billion people

it's more than all of europe combined

's involved in you know and i gea but like the record of history clear on

i don't like that it's equivalently talked about that like well let ukraine security interest is to not be fucked with and russia's security interest is to continue to fuck with so i'm going to be a little bit more laniing on the side of ukra

russia's security interest is to continue to fogk with

again

it's the anoalogy i gave you

you slap someone in the face

then

they fucking body slam you into next week

and then you ask why did you slap him in the face look how we body slamed me

the same shit

crane that not doesn't want to be invaded it doesn't want its territorial integrity constantly threatened the doesn't want which i am glad at least you acknowledge that like all of those eastern separatists who did it

it's like it's like the terminator you did it because in the future it happened

you did it

to retaliate against the consequences of your actions

what

groups are fully funded and backed by russian militaries right

lithuania doesn't have these problems stonia doesn't have right you don't have these problems in countries that have joined nato and when you

why would you have those problems in the first place let's say there was no nato

is there any evidence russia would have invaded the baltics

in any capacity if there was no nato

it when you're ukrainian and you look to the north and you look to the west and you look and you see these countries are in nato don't have to worry about russia coming over to threaten your territorial integrity

i'

you're territory

when you put all this in the context of the twenty and fourteen anti russian coup

ukraine's hostility toward russia

and russians within ukraine

russia's security interest becomes very fuck and clear

i don't understand how we can say that there isn't a vital security interest there for ukraine unless you're literally saying well there's not because look russia made it not right i don't know that's necessarily a fair thing to say that they don't have a security interest because now russia is afraid of them

dealing with their security interests

um

we talk about like the

it's so iron this is another thing that's altterrunnic to is we talk about like well nato is an organization without purpose it was created to only contain the soviet union the wors off pact in ninety one should have been disbanded you know people say that other people yeah it should have

because

russia did never show russia wanted to join the west after the soviet union fell

they even wanted to join nato the west spit in their face

why

there was no threat

say well maybe the expansion of nato can ensure greater periods of peace and prosperity for europe which arguably it has but now today now you have countries you

like sweden and in finland talking about potentially joining nato just because of how aggressive russia's been acting so while you might say on one hand like well look it's not a

if sweden and finland join nato

russia is going to create military pacts with cuba and venezuela

good luck america

you know they're not going to invade finland or sweden

but they're just going to

they're going to give you a taste of your own medicine

and see if the u s will tolerate

the security interest of ukraine because now russias attacking them i could say on the other hand dukes in venezuela and cuba

and well look this isn't in the interest of russia because now everybody else wants to join nato it feels like and even if you are pro russian you have to acknowledge that today the nato alliance is probably stronger than it ever has been there has been like a revitalization across even even nato skeptic countries like france even germany that was unwilling to go as far as some of the sanctions and military equipment even by the way

let's say mexico amlo decides to put

ah

russian bases in mexico is uus going its allt russian bases in mexico

and that initially wanted to contribute as much these countries have been revitalized in purpose united against russia to where if russia doesn't succeed in if they do succeed in ukraine it feels like now all they've done is create a stronger nato i feel like something that the united states has done a decent job of say for iraq at least in the past thirty years feels like exerting soft power

well safe for a rack

though like the most important example of u s fucket foreign intervention

that's it was going to put that on the side

let's put that one on the side

i wasll just put that one on the side

the main fucking highlight of america's

foreign policy career

lets put on a side

butle forget about them

that's like saying

that's like saying

you know

epstein did not

listen guys

that's like

it's like saying fucking a

it's so fucking stupid

a's exact charles manson is a very kind good man

i mean save for the time like he butchered a bunch of people and like massacred people and whatever and

stabbed people or

forget about that i mean

all in all he's a great guy right

but that's what he's known for

you just brush that out to the side

instead of this hard power this idea you need to invade and take over everything maybe it would have been a better route to go for russia rather than i'm going to seveastobl i'm going to crimea i'm stealing your base i'm finding these separatists i'm going to invade the fuck abot a million people dead isn't enough for it to be significance right

true if you don't do exactly what i say i feel the error for that politics is passed and all russia has done with her current actions is undermine the security of all of europe revitalize nato andorry two million yeah

let's put that to the side

ukraine's sovereignty for no real justification of its own other than they want control of that piece of land

well

and you even conceded though it's you know there is a vital security interest in ukraine it's it's not just because they're greedy and everything and i would flip it on its head and say we talk about the security of ukraine we're not talking about a bilateral security guarantee

we're talking about nato

which is an empire

in a sense that

you know the nato states are beholden to the united states i mean we know this that

georgia and ukraine

you know you call this guy a liar you think he cares he knows he's a liar you call him a liar he don't give a fuck

i mean

hypothetically adude

whose

in an open marriage

you going to bed at night and your wife is with

you knowan you don't

what is being a liar you're not going to care what do you care

you know

you don't care if you're known as a liar if you're a fucking liar what is truth

who cares

their aspirations to you don't care you don't truth don't matter if you don't got any fucking honor or shame

nanea we recognized the first place

over the objections of france and germany

in two thousand and eight we know that the united states run nato we know that the united states is always run nato so when we talk about ukraine it's fine and well to say oh well ukraine might be concerned or something

but we are talking that you know you sort of lose your

lose your ability to talk about oh well am i right my self determination when you're talking about inviting

another empire and becoming an outpost of another empire

next to russia and putting nato bases and listening to nato decisions and nato military and becoming a vassal state you know what i think i'm like i better not i' would hate to be caught in a lie in this because i'd be really embarrassed and it'd be shameful

and it'd almost be like being a cock like that's like my girl getting fucked by another dude that would be like

shame for you know

but if you don't care about that

wow that's scary you could do a lot of things

with a good conscience

of nato in a certain sense becoming and with the european union too with the currency and economic union

are we going to pretend that there's no pressure exerted on ukraine from brussels and the e u there's no pressure exerted on ukraine in nato from washington d c as a result of their being joined up with these suprnational unions of course there is and i also want to frame the conversation this way you everybody talks about big bad russia and russias this revanchist and russian aggression and so on but let's let's flit the script and let's put ourselves in russia's shoes

the combined military budget of nato you've got more than eight hundred billion dollars

in military spending for the united states eight hundred billion and three hundred fifty billion for the rest of the nato countries

you have one point one one point two trillion dollars in military spending from nato which is now expanding and again

in you can say nato doesn't have a purpose

i think that's a little disingenuous the purpose of nato is to contain the soviet union the purpose of nato is to contain russia they're not expanding into africa they're not expanding into

latin america they're expanding in eastern europe they're expanding ino former warsap paxs countries former buffer states former soviet satellites

so you

if you took away this guy's chat

it just like looking at his facial expression

take away his chat like this chat right here he would just go

he we was just fucking

it would deflate like a balloon

he would deflate like a balloon

he would like to lose the source of his life for good

you've got one point two trillion dollars in spending on nato you've got

thirteen countries are taken over in the span of twenty years

and you're russia and russia spends sixty seven billion which is of less than a tenth of what nato is spending in the same thing happened to you

now i started fucking twitch one year ago

see the way i carried myself before i started twitch i've always been this way i've always walked with my fucking nuts hanging mother fucker

if i had a passive

attitudes to my fucking community

i wouldn't even be getting in the trouble i've gone

one ha these optical blunders

do i mean i've always been a warrior

i've always been a warrier i've always been a soldering of a fuck

and the west paints russia as the aggressor nato is coming

to their doorstep they've got the baltics they've got all these countries russia says a red line is ukraine and they say that's not good enough we're taking ukraine to

and of course understand what that entails is

and you want to i haveven't heard you acknowledge this

what about russia's legitimate security concerns about not ukraine safety but nato missiles in ukraine and you can say that's defensive but everybody knows there's no such thing as a so called defensive capability

the platforms that are used for an a b m

can be used for an i c b f the missiles we're talking about theter support missiles which are conventional they could be easily

equipp with nuclear warheads they're talking about a

alliance which expressed purpose is to contain russia deploying a b m surface to surface missiles to forward depllyying a base in ukraine in the black sea

in order to project power explicitly against moscow and against

a against the caucus region and through the black sea

and nato is vastly more powerful than russia so the idea yeah i'd actually i want to i want him to end with this

what did russia do to threaten ukraine before the twenty fourteen coup go ahead

and then this undermines the whole idea you know if russia is this revnch a state

nobody in the right mind on the west or the east thinks that russia is even going to be able to occupy ukraine let alone rebuild their empire you know you talk about all of central asia the baltic states the warsaw pack countries

forget about it they won't even be able to ge to occupy all of ukraine

in the foreseeable future they're having difficulty even winning ukraine in a short amount of time

so the idea that

you know russia poses this threat oh they're going to roll into poland or something that the aggression must be contained it's laughable

sixty seven billion against one point two trillion and everybody's pointing the vigor and saying we all russia must be contained at any cost

o i think it just

it says that america's rule is innocuous

and benign and that's not the case it says that nato is expansion is innocuous and not threatening that's clearly not the case and the numbers

the numbers itself speak to this we saw i mean we can talk about the numbers but i mean like you can keep saying one trillion to sixty billion all you want how many times has nato invaded russia how many times has nato a threatened aggression towards russia

like it hasn't happened

first of all

again with this stupid shit how many times has nato invaded russia obviously zero

because that's immediately nuclear holocaust so that was the're going to directly invade russia

but how many times has nato threatened russia

i don't know is deploying missiles

in eastern european countries not considered a threat is expanding to the baltics

not considered a fucking threat are sanctions not a fucking threat

is the saber rattling during the syria conflict not a fucking threat i don't know

you tell me

how many times has nato threatened russia

probably throughout the entire fucking duration of its existence

given that it was literally created to threaten russia

and you know we can talk about security interests you know it's funny you mentioned

you're so wrong wow

and you have gnako maastia go ahead make your fucking argument

how am i wrong

go ahead type out how i'm wrong

your sound wrong while natoes never threaten russia

ano just exists to contain the

a timbuck too

nato exist to contain nato exist to threaten the

australia okay nato doesn't exist to threaten russia that's just for australia

every they're going east because australia' is to the east

right that's why theyre that's why they always expand east

what a dumbass

transnistria south ossia

weere all threats to ukrainian sovereignty and by extension all former warsaw pact

countries

those are all places with russian majority people

who were themselves engaging in separatist wars

with their respective countries

no you get on discordy little bitch you get in my fucking v c

are all threats to ukrainian sovereignty

crystol how how was transnistria a threat to ukrainian sovereignty how is south o st a threat to ukrainian

sovereignty howers

abkhazia fucking threat to ukrainian sovereignty shut the fuck up

no it's not

those were not threats to ukrainian sovereignty

what are you even talking about

how was that a threat to focking ukrainian sovereignty

in what meaningful sense was that a threat to ukrainian sovereignty

buck and moldova in georgia how

by the way a lot of people have this idea that like

the fall of the soviet union was like this neat thing

where everything was just

rainbows and butterflies no there was a lot of disputed shit and there was a lot of wars and civil wars and

internal conflicts that persisted

the south osetian conflict being one of them

same with transnistria

this was all shit that was never actually settled after the end of the soviet union

just not it didn't collapse in this neat process and the a bm missile platforms and everything a b a missile platform cannot fire an i c p m the

what

yes it's fucking can

what do you mean it can

look at yeah look

thank

this face says it all

this face really says it all

yeah military expert destiny

the the antibolistic missile platforms that we installed in poland you can look at me all you want but biden himself literally invited russian inspector

mm

to come in and inspect these things just because it's a tube in the ground doesn't mean you can just as easily throw a diffent type of missile and i c b m in there there's a whole different apparatus there's a whole different hardware requirement for firing these missiles the whole sok requirement for firing these missiles tubes in the ground are not just things you can stick whatever missile you want and happen to fire nuclear warheads out of just doesn't work that way and again biden and invitation of russia to inspect these platforms i think proves just as much as that when we talk about how there's pred right

your olt

think is down thats may

destin fuck my wife fuck my girlfriend destiny i wann to be like you

pressure from washington or pressure from the west on what could be ukraine's economy about threning their sovereignty just the comparison is just totally unfair if ukraine chooses to be pressured by joining those types of number one

b trade agreements by joining those types of n alliances i feel like that mounts the pressure on to you then to answer if there is so much pressure from washington militarily if there's so much pressure from brussels economically there's so much pressure from all these western institutions why is ukraine so eager to join them

clearly there must be mounting pressure in the opposite direction as well right and we're comparing on the western hand like the ability to join these free trade agreements and then on the eastern hand the forcible entry into customs unions that that would heavily restrict your trade because now you've got shared external tariffs and everything the idea that there is some like massive pressure from the west that threatens your sovereignty in a way that there isn't from the east when ukraine seems to be like

eagerly trying to join the west it doesn't make sense why like their actions and the desire of their population just doesn't seem to speak to that idea that there's so much horrible pressure from the west

something else i also disagree with and then you can answer this because all of this keeps getting fraanked nice i want get remissions for your discorse

mads can you make them a member

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said initially i'll agree with all of that and then i'll ask a question aboutukraine but now i want to challenge the framing of one of these things we talk about vital security interests i don't buy it i don't agree with it i've seen you talk about the funnel i've seen other people talk about geography historically russia has been invaded a number of times through ukraine but like i have to ask you honestly if ukraine was to join nato do we really think that there are going to be troops invading russia

what a chicken shit question

was a disingenuous

chicken shit question

the better question is would there be an increased

interference in russian internal affairs

through the use of military coercion and force

and the answer is a resolute yes but if you ignore geopolitics

which destiny doesn't understand the nature of and has no fucking clue about

all you have to do is ask this very simple question

right

is crimea disputed territory yes does ukraine want to reclaim crimea yes

with the ability to reclaim crimea which would be

and invasion of russia have the backing of the might of nato yes

it's that fucking simple

putin' really think that ukraine's ascension intonato means there's going to be some sort of ground invasion or some sort of like no there's not going to be a ground invasion there's going to be a nuclear holocaust

bad a force from nato into russia

you're ap blow haart suck my fuck and cock you little bitch

who's this fucking guy

what

good evening

what do you want

i thought you were going to debate with me

yeah

i think you're wrong on pretty much all of this

yay what am i

state your business what am i wrong about

well don't you think that

there was an etho nationalist pretext for invading transnistria south assessa you know there was an e no nationalist pretext

is that even mean on

if i make the appeal

to oll of the globe

that

that they are ethnic russians

in those places

i'm making an ethno nationalist pley oh you're not

you have an unresolved

conflict

such as the one in south ossetia

between the russians living there mind you not russia but the russians actually fucking living there

and georgia

and russians

yeah stians are persians

first and foremost

but

the russians decide to go help them

yeahy're iranic they're not even ethnically russian what are you even talking about do you have

do you have evidence for the separatist being anything but

kremlin back

uh russians

rather than you know native

south assessionans or of azians that are doing this yeay in conflict at its

origins

immediately after the end of the soviet union before any kind of

remlin deepstate could have taken new form

pretty sure georgia was invaded in two thousand and eight isn't that the case

yeah but the conflict started in the one nine hundred ninety s you're again revealing your utter

the fucking situation

your go to for just calling people ignorant is a sign of weakness you didn't even know that the south osetan conflict

began in the one nineteen ninety s

uh i mean

it started in actually one thousand nine hundred eighty nine it even started in the nineties

started in nineteen eighty nine

alright

ok so

is that just

one example or what

is that is that the example you brought does that apply to transnistria and of kazia

yes it does

why because these were all non licks that were a result of the fall of the soviet union not kremlin meddling

uh

well that's demonstrably false in ukraine because your gerken f s b was working on the ground in the dawnbass

but she talked about transnistria and abkazea

i mean we're talking about all these conflicts

invading again this is this is typical lip shit

doesn't know how to funct do a sing line of argument

you don't know how i'll stick to a single line of argument so you just throw a bunch of shit at the wall hoping one thing sticks one by one what examples do you want to gay the three examples you use which was abkhazia south osetia and transnistria

started

because of the collapse of the soviet union

now you want to talk about ukraine we can talk about ukraine but you're not able to paint this broad picture ofly ethno nationalist russian aggressions and seven

georgia's conflict definitely started around two thousand and seven no it didn't it started in one thousand nine hundred eight nine russia's invasion of georgia

started around that time in two thousand and eight

ok but we're not talking about a civil conflict amongst

native south assessions yes t you are because the russian intervention was part of that conflict

by what justification can the russians invade

by what justifications can russell the question answer it by what justification can theh you're a tough guy aren't you you're going to interrupt me answer it

excuse me

by what justification can russia

invade south estsia i want to know

you just told me that they are not ethnic russians so what the justification

a

the justification specifically

is the fucking fact

that

do we have more fillers to provide me

no the justifications very fucking simple

what's the justification

i love how fucking angry you are can you chill for a second

i'm pretty chill

ok

so the south osseteans were fighting georgia at the time already

and they were allied to russia

ok

and they invited the russians in to come help them

yourrone on russia's own border

you're telling me that there was a krumlin backed coup in that oblist

no i'm not you are you're telling i mean not telling you that you're telling me that the south in sessions

invited the russians in to help them yes to war against the georgians

that's what you're telling me

and they we're playing a semantic game

with the rest of it

the south osetians invited the russians to come help them

the georgians were committing war crimes in south ossetia

and the balance of the conflict was shifting in favor of the western backed to georgian government

so ok but that sounds like a proxy war rather than an organic revolution

no it was an organic conflict because the conflict started in nineteen eighty nine

before any kremlin agenda could even crystallize

and you know the nature of

of transnistia and all these all these occupied areas today do you know that they

they can basically get no economic investment because the legal system is completely in tatters in those places because of what russia has done

what a the rsies on

russia's basically set up parallel government separate from georgia and that was still are you talking about transnistria or what what are you talking about look

georgia and moldova assert

sovereignty over the occupied areas that

russia is occupied

which

in transnistria that's for moldova in the other id that's correct

that's correct

eight

the transnistrial war started in one thous nineteen ninety

ok

alright

and the justification is

that

there were russian rebels there is that what you're telling me

yes

ok and then russia came in to help those rebels

and what's the justification for that moldova was part of the u s s

i understand that

but the uus s are dissolved

right and the russians ho still lived in transnistria

we're still russians

and that is what hitler said about the sedate land is what he said about the dance a corridor etc etc do you believe it's you know

but russia hold on the transnistrians have a right to fight for their own self determination

they did the bulk of the fighting in that war was the transnistrians themselves

but it's not like the the russians marched in and took this historical russian land

transnistrians starting in nineteen ninety

wanted to resist

the new state of affairs under the new independent country of moldova which they rejected so there was a civil conflict that was not resolved

in the aftermath of the collapse of the uus car it was not resolved

but would you agree

that

h

the

we're talking about transdcia right

yeah would you agree that moldova was unable to assert sovereignty over transnistria as a result of the aid that was provided them by russia

was russia decisive in being able to protect the interests of the people of transnistria yes

what justifies violating the so what justifies russia for helping russians in transnistria acquire self determination

again this is the same

at we ok let me ask you a question what right did moldova have to have any self determination

when the u s s r dissolved yees you think that

you think that those countries that

became autonomous areas what gives them the right to be autonomous

i mean many of them wanted it

ok well the people of transnistria wanted to be autonomous to

i understand that

i understand what you're saying

but

you have to understand that civil strife occurs in countries in the wake of the dissolution of empires the us are

was a

granted a mighty empire

ok

and when they dissolve

they were

civil conflicts in some of these areas

what areas what were those areas moldoa diviined by in georgia

what were those areas defined by who defined theor ass what defined the borders of those newly formed countries

i believe

uh

i believe that some of the states were assembled based on like ethnic groups in the ns no others no were no previous no no no no in almost every case

these were the former soviet republics

oh i mean they were the borders of the former soviet republics it's not mutually exclusive what i said

these were the former soviet republics

which didn't have to regard any of those ethnic or national realities at all

because the soviet union was one continuous state

so russians could live in

moldova

and they could live in ukraine and they could live in ge georgia they could live all over

it live in kazakhstan

because it's all part of the soviet union anyway it's one big happy family they don't have these hard distinctions a border so it doesn't matter right it wasn't really that happy a family

the legacy of the soviet ion that's not really my point my point is that it didn't matter

because

this was one continuous state anyway

contiguous not continuous

anyways

its

it really doesn't matter

what borders were formed

by who

yes it does no it really doesn't what matters is russia

did not stay independent of the civil conflicts in the wake of the dissolution of russia

no country stays independent in any fucking conflict did

did nato stay independent during the funkan yugoslav wars

i know but that's an example that you already know the answer to switzerland's been independent in many wars

what the fuck the switzerland have to do with anything you just said no country remains independent in any conflict

no conflict is it no conflict is going to be devoid of foreign interests funding and aiding

certain sides in certain parts

that much

this is true yeah

i agree with that

but you're not talking about just funding you're talking about boots on the ground in some of these places

especially ukraine

what is your point

well my point is that

this is a fucking ethno nationalist narrative oh it's not

yeah it is du if i say that there are ethnic russians being persecuted in moldova in georgia and therefore i invade

that's exactly what hitler said about the dans a corridor

to date thes not al saw n it is the war was fought and primarily waged by transnistrians themselves

whatre's the proof of that

it started before any russian involvement of boots on the grounds so that's the evidence

are you sure there was an f s b on the ground

the russian military presence dates to one thousand nine hundred nin two the conflict started in one

well was there an espionage present

what does that fookion prove

what would that prove

if there is 'an as on thek what do you mean efors b didn't exist at the time

b did and that ok with a k g was collapsing as a as an operational

i know what you're fucking asking

bro i'm asking

if the material support that russia gave was justified yes it was i told you my answer i knowion tim asals live told you the answer llion time in trouble yeah you're saying russians were in trouble and therefore russia had the right to get involved

and that was the same excuse that was given

in ukraine which is what i'd really like to talk about rather than these old conflicts

okay

ok

do you agree that in twenty fourteen that

russian separatists that were mainly wagner group invaded ukraine

no

why not

because separatists can't invade a country they're separating from that wagner group was a private military contractor we've got recovered passport beause because the main bulk of people doing the separating was not private military contractors it was the people of eastern ukraine

who overwhelmingly rejected the twenty fourteen coup which was illegal according to the ukrainian what is the evidence i hear this all the time but i've never seen any evidence that there was a western bck

who

ok here the the overthrow of yanukoviych was unconstitutional according to the ukrainian constitution and it was illegal

the necessary votes in parliament in order to depose yanukovych

were too few

to meet the constitutional requirements

i believe

verhoner

arada voted that he be deposed

thugh their parliament voted that youo they did not they did not reach the constitutional requirement for impeaching him

ok

what is the constitutional requirement that you're asserting that they did not meet

well let's look it up

yeat you need two hundred and twenty six

and

and there was allright i don't need i'm reading with three hundred thirty eight votes in favor

no no i got that wrong

you need ya you need at least

three hundred thirty eight votes

ok so

three there was

the rod of voted three twenty eight to zero so that's what you're saying

yes there is only three twenty eight

and it's a coup because

there was three hundred twenty eight

and it didn't meet

the legal

yes a legal threshold

but you understand that that's

internal right that's an internal process that's not a u

process to ot three hundred and twenty eight to zero

and then scap but it was still a coup

a

leaked call between victoria newland and i forget who else

literally discussed hand picking who they wanted to

um

who they preferred would rule ukraine

the pastor the wo and that person actually did

acquire power

that person was the opposition leader it wasn't like a hand picking he was already a known politician

why was he already a known politician

was it because it was organnic modularity among the orleans got of coach n

that was america's guy in ukraine

he was a western fuccing agent

what

what evidence do you provide for him being a western asian

name him

alexander chirchnyev

last name

uh

birch

enough

t u r c h y n o v

he was then succeeded by i believe said he

adubuzov

as alexander was the acting president and prime minister then it was the power was transferred to set he over buzav

the prime minister of ukraine among the immediate

deposition of

yanakovitch

yeah the pro the

the acting prime minister was alexander churchinoff

and then the prime minister that succeeded churchinov as acting prime minister was

said he out it was of where are you getting

that information

i mean this is the acting prime minister in twoenty and fourteen

as of went the twenty seventh of february is that was yachts on you

thiss

yachts and reuk this says as of the twenty fifth of may

after his after yanukovch's removal alexander was the acting prime minister

and president

this is wikipedia

i mean

what what

what are you ahead in lincoln in fact chaking

all right whatever

yatsanyuk was the prime minister

until

the twenty ninth

sorry yeah until the fourteenth of april twenty sixtheen

from twenty seventh of february to fourteenth of april

twenty seventh of february is that what you said

yeah

of twenty fourteen

yeah and poroshenko was president

rom

seventeent seventh of june

right

hold on where's your fact checking channel whle i'm looking for

i see it

and then

what was the idea

ok

chirchenov

yeh

she hand picked yatsunu

okay

if you didn't fucking no shee han pick the oads on you

i've heard the same phone call

yeah so it was it wasn't like a hand picking thing

but but yes it is because o

yes it was because she said we should pone call they said he should they didn't say we would

we would be happier they said we should

meaning they were going to act upon

getting him

ok

alright but

but what you're suggesting is that hand picking implies the coup

more it's not just the hand picking frida evenor in nwlan lok hall

it's also the funding

even if i agree with you it's also the funding through the national endowment of democracy and other

organs of american state department forg

funding

of

that culminated into the fucking mydon

revolution

through civil society organizations

ok are we referunded by the united states

are we are we referring to the anti corruption center or whatever

we're referring to a

a host of organizations

ok just for example

but i forgotten the name it was like a next or something

nexta

no i don't remember the fucking name

not next do it was a foking

i don't remember the name

ok well i mean

i sa it's going to be yeah ok so

i agreed that there was funding

in ukraine would you agree that there was sort of a soft political war

going on

in in uh

in ukraine

by dint of the trade deal that yanukovich

rejected

doesn't matter i he was illegally deposed

where why did the ukrainian parliament make exception when it was threed and twenty eight to zero because it was because it was a coup because they staged a shooting

ah

by snipers of protesters and that was the pretext

you completely depose him and circumvent the parliamentary procedure but even that had no legal precedent

i basically just acuse them of a crime

that those are facts not evidence

so i mean you've got to provide evidentiary support for the idea that the west staged a massacre of people

was it baar coot that shot a bunch of people

is a but

irkut it's the name of their special forces

or whatever the'ir sat there special for i don't know exactly who shot the protesters but the details of the sniper massacre

supposedly perpetrated by yanakov by yanukoviych

has been

heavily contested

i'm sorry repeat that i was looking at the fact check channel

no

ok

uh i would contest that the that the

you you need to provide evidence that the staging of of a shooting of we didn't say it was a staging of a shooting we're talking about the perpetrators

of the midan snipers

that were decisive in the deposition of yanakovich

and

didn't they say that yanukovich gave the order

no

the official investigation conducted denied there were any snipers in these midan controlled locations

majority of testimonies are by direct eyewitnesses

so these were testimonies

exacted by the ukrainian government itself

would you agree that i

if you were a head of state and you had a a

a

popular protest and then people shot protesters that were members of your police force you would have to step down

i'm not sure what the legal procedure in that for ukraine is

but no not necessarily

according to rains legal procedure

why did why did yanukovych flee the country

because he was threatened

with rearst

over a crime he

claimed he did not commit

well if he was innocent why didn't he defend himself

because he didn't think that he was going to get a fucking fair trial

i just i just you know there's this grand conspiracy narrative that you're you're

h

conjuring

involving this alleged coup it's not a fucking grand conspiracy

it's a grand conspiracy of the west both

both has to fund and perpetrate the coup and it has to both fund and perpetrate the protests

and both when you don't have the parliamentary requirement to depose yanakovich

guess what

there's going to have to be some other pretext

why were there zero nays to depose yankovich

are we there what

why were there zero nays wherere there zero nos

zero what

why were there zero nos it's three hundred and twenty eight to zero why are there it doesn't matter the constitutional requirement needed three thirty eight

and if you look at eastern ukraine

a overwhelming majority talking about in the ninety percent percentages voted for yanakoviych that was their president

who and their view was illegally deposed

and that's why they decided to declare their own sovereign republics

h

again ego gerkin was f s b was working on the ground in anieskin lugan sky list

like you if you've got radio free europe

a reporting that

that fuck and he was conducting military tribunals and firing squads shooting people for anything from

petty theft to murder

and he was doing it invoking a stolen you know law that was passed on the u s

i think that

i think that you have to at least look at that and be like well that's an inappropriate overstep for the russians

and then what were okse so the russians went to do yets and started massacring people because of a stalin law

i mean you can look it up the what's the evidence for that

yeah ok here let me pull up an article for you

it's called the executioners

of slogy on

guys post into fact checking the sniper's testimony

post it into a fact check

so this executioners

yeah of slovyance

the russian backed gunman came in hal ok these are seeing

first of all these are called russian back to gunmen they're not

actual russian soldiers

they're probably wagner group

because we've got evidence that wagner group was on the ground

indaniesky

and lugansk i was following this in two thousand and fourteen i was working as a university researcher and i was glued to the

the stories

i was on russian telegram too

so this was all wagner group and there was no popular will in dounyetsk

to separate and rejected the tent the coup that deposed

the president

that

like ninety five percent of fucking people in dounyatsk voted for

i agree with you that perhaps ninety five percent of people in then yanskin lugansk voted for yanukovych this is the pro russian side of ukraine

ok

i understand that

but ukraine has the right to sovereignty over places that

you know

even if they voted

you can't come cant we can't complain to me about ukraine's sovereignty

when sovereignty is something that's recognized principally by the people within your own country

and would you circumvent

your own constitution

the everything gets thrown up into the window

if you circumvent the constitution that actually solidifies your sovereignty

and your legitimacy in the eyes of the people living in your country

they do have the right to fucking seced and set up their own sovereign state that's based on something legitimate

ah i mean

your whole your whole notion of legitimacy legitimacy rests on this three twenty to zero vote

like it was

youn

basically it was unanimous that yanukovch be deposed

what were the margins for the twenty twenty election between

trump and biden

dude i don't even know

it was probably three hundred

joe to like two twenty or something

but what di it was really close

you're free

to make your point

what if it was really close what if it was like

to ninety versus i know it's not possible but what if it was like two ninety versus three hundred

is it ok for trump to just be president then because it's not even that much you know who cares

no but this isn't voting like that this isn't and all this they did you hold on hold on

ok it does fucking matter

i didn't say it didn't matter

so the ten shy does matter

the ten that were shy of voting to impeach him do matter

is that because of a lack of bodies in parliament

was that because of no it was literally because not enough loded to him he chained

was it because people abstained

i'm asking it like it doesn't matter what the reason for they did not ote to impeach matter

it does matter no we as per ukraine's constitution it does not

falking matter at all

your feel your feeld of free you're free to feel that way

ok

and you're free to feel that itre was an illegal coup and you're free to feel

that

you know it was a violation of the constitution

but still literally was a violation of the constitution

none of that is proof of the western involvement in the parliamentary vote

it's not proof

we're not talking about in the parliamentary vote we are talking about in the civil unrest that precipitated

the impeachment

did the civil unrest start before

a the fuckin vote

in parliament yesose yes i recall

but yes it did that was what the mamydan was

ok the md on was not popular unrest

as a result

of

you know yanukovch being deposed my don was

hot hot's a re don't say you shut the fuck up shut the fuck as you remyd donras because you shut the fuck up

my don is i hate this guy i hate this guy so much he's so fucking stupid

my don was about

e u integration yanako which wasn't doing it

so there was these protests wild protests and that's why they had the vote

right so

i mean

so yanakov itch rejected a free trade deal with europe

and instead opted for an exclusion which shes rereed to do as a president

is free to do but the but the constituents are free to

to

protest

ok they're free to protest and then burn tve to the ground

i would say no to that

i well that's what they did protest

ok it was a revolution right it was an overthrow of a government

ah

god

mm

the unrest is like

very comparable to what goes on in the united states

very comparable

like

are we are we going to say that

that you know

that

basically

ah

basically black selt black lives matter doesn't have a

a point because they

burn some shit down if black lives matter

um

was the pretext for a complete overthrow of our constitution and a coup

thatn my den

the midan revolution

not

the pretext

yes it was because yana which was deposed the shoe without meeting the constitutional requirement

ah

ok

but you you so you believe

okay

say that i concede all that

all right

but

you believe that russia has the right

to invade ukraine

as a result

no we're talking about the eastern ukraine and why they were separatists

i understand why they're separatists

but they were not separatists because of my dan there were separatists because

ah

because

yanukovch stepped down according to you

uh

and that is what prompted

organic separatist movement in those areas he was deposed in n illegal coup so they decided

you're assuming that you can't

prove that

in in the

in the event of ten more votes

that this outcome would not have been the same

you can't pretend that you know

doesn' it matter

it does matter the constitutional requirement to impeach him was not met

and yet and yet he was deposed anyway

it still doesn't give

are you a pothead are you smoking pot

now did

um

listen

what gives russia the right to invade ukraine that's

that's the big picture like you're you're russia has the right to invade ukraine

first and foremost to define its own sec to defend its own security interests

what are its security interests in ukraine

preventing nato from expanding into ukraine preventing nato's weapons from reaching into ukraine

and finally preventing a anti russian hostile ukrainian government

from threatening russia and russians in eastern ukraine

i mean that's the same thing hitler said but whatever

um

so let's see wait wait iw was that the same thing hitler said

because he said there's ethnic germans in the sedanan land so denmark i must invade there's there's there's ethnic germans or lithuania

russia never talks about invading lithuania

a that's because it's part of nato

no it's not just because it's part of nato

it's because you're going to agree to disagree no it's not

there's there's ethnic russians in fucking finland

ok

and philly is not part of natothough

i know that

it finland is not part of nato

finland has

there's ethnic russians in kazakhstans there's ethnic russians and caut in kazakhstan russia does not that's true

that's true but

dod like

you're you're pretending like there's not a pattern of behavior

with georgia and moldova and you there literally isn't

there is

there is there all they were all

once

part of ukraine part of russia's territory no they weren't russia no they were not they were part of the soviet union

ok

and you're you're fucking disputing that russia and s s are not

somehow analogous

for one another i am just saying that so i am just gating that

so they were part of the ussr

and and

hohuton has a fetish for the u s s r no one jes stor it

doesn't he does

he got up on the on the stage

in moscow and he said

ukraine's not a country

it's never been a country it's a made up country and it's a made up people

those are our people and they're the same as us

and we're going to that doesn't prove who wants to restore the soviet union but let me ask you question report the restore the soviet union he said that it was the greatest geopolitical because it was because so many people were justp how he can say it was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe

without implying he's trying to restore it it was the greatest geopolitical you can't even dispute that

russians people who were once one people

were artificially separated by these hard borders

it was a geopolitical fucking catastrophe

of course it was

i mean for russia

for everyone

i mean there were people in

eastern europe

who felt that way that's true and i don't dispute that there's been a nostalgia

in various places

for the soviet union

but i am disputing

that there's a complete willingness to surrender one's sovereignty

amongst these eastern european powers

that

you know russia's taken advantage of i think

i think you you are deliberately ignoring the fact that

georgia moldova

and and you say what it's like to talk to an n b c

now

you talking about transnistria we talked about georgia

we talked about that other place

we explained you know how it's not it's not like hitler

making this the student plan aware of the fuck you're trying to say it it'st exactly like that

it's exactly like that

have you ever been to russia

how was it exactly like that

because he said

there are russians in georgia that need our help and there's russians

speaking peoples in sid theans are not russian souths aren't potin considers anybody who speaks russian

to be russian

you don't understand we i that's the case

then he's not an ethno nationalist

it's totally ethno nationalist to assert that somebody is part of your ethnic group and then invad was not of because he's not saying border w you just admitted they're not part of the russian ethnic group they just speak russian

it do dude

have you ever looked up ethnicity it's part of it's part of your culture too

you're you're culturally russian

if you live in are white and black people the same ethnicity

no

but they speak the same language also of separate cultures

yeah and they're and they're ethnically american so southo saidians are persians mean here

are all of them persians

pretty much

no

that's not true i know that's not true

i percent n that i'm true well no one's one hundred percent

any ethnicity would by and large yes

what are the demographic profiles of south ossetia

just so soto said hea demographics

so osetians are eighty nine percent georgians are seven point four percent

russians are one point one percent

armenians are point seven percent

and that's pretty much it

thats the setion deograph he link it in in the in the

fact

check or whatever

sure

sure

so but they do speak

russian too right

i don't even know if they do

and i don't know i don't see why it would matter they're not etho nationalis it does it does because

huin has explicitly said in his speeches that anybody who speaks russian is part of russia

is part of s and actually o sin is the language they speak

that's their native language but they'll speak to just the same way that the georgians speak georgian but they also speak russia i've been to moscow dude come on

do what

what's your poy they're part of the former soviet union

everyone spoke russian as a second language

right

right

and so that applies to everyone all that applies to all former soviet territories

yeah

lucky

lucky putin

yeah but

but putin has not

invaded

he doesn't have the ability anything close to all this former he doesn't have the ability to

really

no

he couldn't persent have invaded any of those

central asian republics at any point

o he could have

per se but

there are a number of them that are on very friendly terms and supply him with military arms and military you know aid and why does like you know leaders aid from central asian republics

what aid does he need from them

are you familiar with the fact that you know

the ususr dissolved primarily because the bank was broken by the

by the space race in the arms race

like

russia could not handle the fiscal drain on their economy and they broke up

no i don't think that's why it broke up

it is

no ends on top of that

it's actually money it's actually

all right

well you tell me why

you tell me

a combination of gorbachev's disastrous economic reforms

yah coupled with

the explosion in ethnic and national tensions

i think that

i think that

when you when you talk about

disastrous economic policy you're

talking about

exactly what i'm talking about no i'm not because rbslving economic reforms literally destroyed the soviet economic system of planning

and try to replace it with like all these crazy market reforms

that shock

the soviet economy

i have no doubt that it a shocks the soviet economy

but

you're telling me that they we that the soviet union was economically untenable due to

the actions of one particular leader

that's not mutually exclusive with what i said

and your pret leader did lead to economic turmoil yeah

okay so

i mean we're greing on that

oh

m

but

like so there's no point in

say

invading kazakhistan

for example because kaz aktan is on extremely friendly terms with putin

extremely friendly terms of is that general

i mean

i mean a

rush of fels

friendly enough that they can ask for

troops

deployed in their conflicts

they're part of the

same organization the ctso what is your point

h

i'm just saying that

you ask me why putin hasn't invaded all these

of former republics and i'm just giving you a reason

because he's already friendly with many of them

he doesn't have the economic ability to do it

and he also doesn't have the military ability to do it

putin couldn't invade armenia

h

the armenians are extremely friendly to russia

you would that's not true invade meia that's not true

didn't you see the fucking armenians like walking through the streets with z flags and russian flags the other day

you didn't see it doesn't mean the armenian government is friendly to russia

i think the armenian people are very friendly to russia

and i think

i think it

ah

what you say what's your point

ah

i mean you just asked me

you just asked me

or basically why doesn't putin invade armenia and i just told you what i thought

that was my my point was there who didn't has the ability to

the armenian government's not friendly to putin

again i also said that he doesn't have the ability to

invade every single one of these countries

you think he's got the economic and military ability to invade every single one of these countries it's like it's like it's like a logical black hoole so every country he's invaded is only because he's had the ability

i mean

why would you and i mean he doesn't really have the ability to w what makes georgia so much weaker than armenia

h

i mean you told me that

there was

for one it's fucking tiny

armenias

you think armenia is the fucking size of australia or something

i think that

there would be a geopolitical problem if he invaded armenia because of the turks

i don't think the turks would like that

why didn't turks and armenians hate each other more than anyone why would the fucking turks give is ship

i mean

you think that

turkey once

russia closer

doesn't seem turky has to share the black sea with rush already what he fucking talking about

wait until you hear about georgia dude

you just asked me

you just asked me

why he doesn't invade armenia i said i don't think turkey would like that

you know where georgia is on the map

oh yeah

next arsed by jan

sure you know where georgia is on the map it's next ere b azerbaijan

what out who else is it next to

it's also

next two

a see

if

it's right on the border of russia

like

you can you can basically drive wells the least to crass adar who else

bro i don't need to name every country it's next wereabout to the east of georgia

to the east of georgia

is

azerbaijan

oh sorry to the west what about to the west

the black sea

what about the southwest border

turkey

exactly

yeah and armenia would logically come after georgia

don't you think

so putin's planning to invade armenia after what i sad

that's not what he said

but if you don't have a contiguous border with armenia why would you invade armenia

i don't know what i mean

you're telling me you're the one who said me about you're the one who said putin's only invading the countries he can invade

that's what i said he can't invade it was beakitan he can't invade m turk menistan

not remain politically tenable

why not

you can't just send young men off to die into digital information age

you can't do it then what

what's what's the standard here because

you're saying that every single conflict in which russian troops have been sent

is because putin could do it in every single one where he hasn't it is because he can't

okay sure

but you have to compare them then and explain why that is

i mean look if you take part of he tp

part of georgia

part of moldova

and you've got troops

you've got fourteen thousand troops

in armenia

you've got

troops in georgia and moldova

you've got a standing armory of nine hundred thousand people and you've got one year conscription

you don't have the manpower to invade all these places

you don't have the manpower to have them remain stationed

you don't have the manpower to you know prosecute what kinds of

what russian troops are stationed in transnistria right now

i don't know the number

you don't understand that me not knowing every single little bit of knowledge

is you don't know the bug we're talking about do you sound like a fucking idiot

i don't know

i name three examples which is south osetia transnistria and abkhazea

gay

he's also got

troop stationed in russia

youll

in russia

his own country

like we i get you the next tl

i'm trying to make it clear to you that russia doesn't have the military ability to invade all these places at once

they don't have the political ability to invade all these places at once

he has to pick and choose which ones he can invade

he's picked pretty well so far

ok so what is the rationality what is the rationale behind these decisions

h i believe

that

he wants

uh

to

create a new iron curtain for one

and for to wait the iron curtain was the warsaw pack

yeah

so he wants poland hungary czechoslovakia

eastern germany

h

and

yeah he wants all that too as well right

do you think that when i said new one i meant the old one

how would that be a fucking iron curtain what are you talking abot you know the iron curtain was

yeah it was it was basically a bunch of buff you have any actual analysis of what's going on besides just yeah i do

like you

lazily applying the fuck and cold war to twenty twenty two and saying

he just wants to bring that back

i mean if you're mad at people

for lazily bringing about

cold war policy maybe you should email putin

ok but

you don't understand the differences between the new russia and the soviet union is your fucking problem

ok

and

elaborate then

so at most made at most

at most new russia which would be probably maybe a union or an economic or political union

or some kind of new customs union or something like that

would just be russia belarus and ukraine

ok

why

because these are peoples that are historically

part of the russian people that's just historically belaruse literally means

white russian bellarucia right

ukraine used to be called malaarusia which means little russians

right and theused to call the russians the great russians

so these are all you ook to some noi gavart parski

what's that

he hoaches sonmbing gabarit parski

no

eter stuty hotches

ok so don't fuck and tell me what russian is

all right

so

i ne sh dude your accents fun yes

yeah when i was in moscow they

i can love me dod

so anyways

they love yeah i'm sure that yeah they love to me i think i think around the world people pretend to like americans especially in urban centers

i don't the actually like to do

yeah so

anyways

ukraine

ukraine is

a

filled with ukrainians

and they're an ethnic group that doesn't want to be part of russia

part diad not yet

we're the west we're looping the part we're just talking looping

look

if you're looping we're looping eastern

ukrainians identify orthrosa on telling me how ignorant i am every twenty minutes

no ok tell me about how you went to moscow again gohad

ok

yeah i so i went to moscow in twenty nineteen to see my girlfriend

it was fucking awesome ate so many fucking bleeny

i'd so many can collie

so good i stayed in qita goart

so fucky

i recommend it some time maybe you can get citizenship

so you're a sex pat

no

i met her in america

yeah you sound like a creep dude

going to be honest

i don't know i've seen the way youveug and do your show

you don't look

all that much

look at

i don't have to travel to other countries to find women

she was the most beautiful woman i had ever seen

tm

is she still your girlfriend

m

no

covert ended that

h it was coverd

i mean we couldn't travel for like to she didn't find a new boyfriend

not that she told me

how does you feel that another man is now with

the person you claim is the most beautiful woman in the world

and he's probably russian too

and he probably supports putin

another man is not with her and she doesn't ho do you know

i was probably lying to you

she probably does support putin

especially because she's now with a new man who's a fucking pro putin gigachet

i mean she doesn't support putin i talk to her like

every week three times a week

i don't know why you would think i don't know i think she's reuss trying to scam you dude

i don't think she actually likes you

now that is an interesting take

you practice reading minds often you're really good at it

can you speak up a little

no

i think she's with a pro putin stalinis gigochet

now

that'd be unlikely

if anything she'd be with a dagistani

she would be with the dagistani the most pro putin region in all of russia

you really haven't been to moscow have you

moscow is not pagistan

what are you talking about right but they moscow is like the most liberal city in russia you dumbfuck

they have so many like a liberal agastani and chechens in russia

yeah but the maority then but the majority of chechnya and gastan votes for putin

i agree with that

i'm just saying that not all of them do

what is your point

i don't know you were telling me how some guys railing my girlfriend so

why don't you just continue

he probably is dude

ah so good

just telling you the truth and he's probably a putin supporter because all the real men and

and russia supports putin

just like most real men in america support trump

it's the same in russia

sorry to break it to you dude

i don't know the polling doesn't indicate that

we started with seventy or sixty percent

support for the war

then we went to seventy percent

and now the poll the pollsters in russia have a really hard time getting people to answer the questions

he said first it started a sixty then i shot up by ten poins you didn't freakud listen to the last point

and now they're having a hard time why are they having a hard time getting people to answer the questions

people say things like

well are you going to put me in prison if i answer this

no i don't think who are these polls first of all

there's one state run pollster and there's an independent poster and in russia

all right and they're scared to answer the state run posters

question

for sure there's a i'm pretty sure there's like a consensus in russia that pretty much like almost everyone

h'zin russia is rallying behind the presidents

that's not the case my

family from russia fled russia when they invaded ukraine

why

because

who's your family from russia

i've got people in my family who are living within the third circle of the of the moscow subway system

why wh are they russians

but they are russians

why did they leave

they left because

you know that his pension was worth something

but now it's not

because of the rual collapse so they were there economic refugees

uh yeah and they don't so what is your point

i mean

look

i just told you that

you just told me that everybody supports putin i just told you my family fled russia when he invaded ukraine

how do you know doesn't mean that's because they don't want even if your family

i know that my family doesn't support putin

i know they don't

because we heard these conversations well the people still in russia mainly support putin

yes but many of them fled yeah but the ones and the ones who stayedre the ones who stayed behind mainly support him

there were there's been multiple oligarchs who said the wars terrible

there's been multiple who gives a fuck what oligarch say dude what are you trying to say

we if you don't think that a dictatorship that has to

he's the military elite in the elite alike doesn't have to fuck and no he doesn't putin literally went on t v and he said if these fucking oligarchs

ah don't get behind the patriotic effort and they want to have their caviar and be westernized that they're a fifth column and they're traitors that's what he called them

i

i saw that

yeah i think that it was pretty bad asked to me

i think it's a sign of weakness

no i think it's a sign that he has a popular mandate and he doesn't have any mandate from oligarchs whatsoever

he doesn't have a popular mandate he's on thin ice

and then why why is he able to talk

and slap these oligarchs around whenever he wants

uh

she's not really able to do that

he just did it on tv by calling them out

forr being western brainwashed elites

but he couldn't you know it's not like he's putting anybody to death it's not like he's going to war with them that's not the type of country russia is he doesn't just put people to death do it's not the middle ages

finitly

he definitely kills people with poisoning when they're rather in allegedly kills people with poison allegedly you don't even freaking believe that

yeah i do i literally

not willing to just accept

the accusations at face value are not

i thought dude i thought when those poisonings happened he'd made it very deliberate to make it as if

you know make it seem as if he was the one responsible so that peopleul could look at him and be like

will that guy

can do anything and get away with it

i think that's just speculation i don't think anyone really knows the truth

wasn't we the compounds used like

very rare and expensive to make and you know basically

that doesn't mean only putin was the what is your point ok even if he did do it what's your fucking point

i mean

you just told me that he's slapping the oligarchs around and i just want an example of the so you want you think that unless putin

poisons the oligarchs

that doesn't have a popular mandate

i'm just saying that like

when jack moss said something contrary to the script in china disappeared for months

what's your point

sounds like putince

kind of doing a shitty job

doing a shitty job with what

well taking ukraine for one but also keeping his people in line

he's got so many people leaving

and if you remember the collapse of russia in the nineties

you had an instance where people have been leaving russia and all the ex soviet states for decades what's your point

right and after the cold war the birth rate plunged by

sixty percent

so on and so forth

the people people barely

you know

they can barely freak in find

like women can barely find men to mate with because of how few men there are

that it's freaking why are you saying to mate with it's just kind of weird like

i don't know dude

you're the one who talks about

you know my ex girlfriend railing so and so

she's probably with a pro putin chad i'm sorry

i mean i appreciate your input

i'm telling you the truth

no if she wasn't why isn't she with you anymore

well

she

has to stay in russia

yeah but why isn't she like in a relationship long distance relationship with you

some people don't want to do long distances why not

because

you know long distance that because she wanted to be she's with someone else that's why i put the fucking two and two together

long dude who's going to engage in a long distance relationship at least be exclusive and me like i'm not going to you know get with a pro putin chad

that is like s at leasuses be like i'm not going to get with this pro stu putin stalinist chad with the fucking i don't even

i wouldn't even want to be in a long distance relationship with her

i ge what you're doing you're doing the open relationship thing where you're like yeah other can i real are because i want to be i think when i think that is yeah gussing and perverse

but that's what you're doing anyway

no it's not i'm not in a relationship with her

she's with you

ches wd chees are you familiar with the term

padruga

shes are you familiar

yeah but why not take it a step farther

because

i just told you there's so much distance

di you can at least keep it exclusive

why would you keep it exclusive

so she's not keeping it exclusive so she's not

why would you be exclusive

was somebody

who lives

half a world away

ok i get it so she's not

keeping it exclusive with you

mhm

chris morelock says he remembers me that's a silly thing to say

so she's not keeping it exclusive with you it's that simple

no

i

i nobody's asking for that

i don't even know why we're talking about this so she's with a pro putin chat

alright col

and you called her the most beautiful woman in the world

i mean i thought that was a nice thing to say about her

but she belongs to another man now

i don't care

doesn't bother me

i just wanted to demonstrate that

when somebody is not yours you can't be angry about the fact that they're not ye we you still you' still

calling another man's girl the most beautiful man in the world

well i know what you meant

but

i

i mean

like if you s if you met somebody w was very beautiful why wouldn't you you know why wouldn't you

you s because you you called her the most beautiful woman in the world

i'm yes

she' is literally in bed with a pro putin chad whos a giant portrait of stalin above his bed

and has fucking very hairy chest hair and he's got fucking a gold necklace and gold rings on and shit and gold if you if you knew her you would understand how unlikely that is

no i think it is very likely

you don't know her

i trust me i know this

oh yeah ok tell me

tell me what class she is from

what class of people do you think she's from

ah

where do you think she grew up

answer those questions russia

no

her soul was in russia

no

well

she lives in russia now

he does

and she can't settle for american betamil so she's got to be with russian men

yeah

which you are which you are not

no i'm not

and thank god for that i'd be dying in ukraine right now

yeah but

she is

well

what do you expect her sex life is far from dying in another man's hairy arms

yeah you're just showing how much you didn't know her

trust me

she's literally laying in bed wg with the guy who was a giant everything a guy who was a giant stalin poster a portrait in his room

with a gold chain and gold teeth

and who's very pro putin patriotic

and they're cuddling right now watching a fucking bootlegged pirated netflix

unlikely

yeah

telling you the truth

ah

so

anyways so e you or gerkin

was operating in the dawn bass

twenty fourteen

yeah

he was f s b

he was killing people

and he was depositing their bodies

where

the shells were being dropped

by ukrainian forces

what's your evidence

i gave you the evidence earlier it was a link from radio free europe

go in and look it up

okay

hold on

let's look at your radio freer aplane

the executions in ok so where do we get the part of bodies

ight just read the whole thing i'll wait

i'm not going to read the whole thing

read it read it with your chat

read it with your chat

it's way too long i just want to get to the relevant part

you said artillery

ah

shells ok ok here you do control f shell or something

ok

the thirty year old peachko a civilian was taken to a gloomy two story building surrounded by armed guards

wse interrogated forced riight a confession and summarily shot to death by a firing squad of russian backed separatists

who seizes control of the city

hes executioners so this the guy you're saying who is responsible for all of this this is not true it's russian separatists who did this f s bor gerkin strokk it says a firing spot a russia back separatist in part where igor gerkin is running the firing squad and running the military tribunal

he were blown to witz by

artillery shells okay

i don't see any evidence of blame bodies

with the artillery shops

eagor

what is his name

eager girk in

the executioners

he's a self professed former fsb officer and monarchist

so he's a self prefens professed f s b officer

but a former one

o

uh

yes sherkin lives in that place he lives in fokingdunietsk

he does now

no he's

he lives there

he does now

yeah

but i mean he was one of the same guys who was involved in transnistria

you looked that up and yeah gurgin was part of the russian groups that were within russia the russian the

patriots that went all across these hotly contested areas

of

where russians were being oppressed

were fighting for their freedom and fighting alongside them he went and they also went to the bosnian war and he went to

elsewhere and whatever so what's your fucking point

the point is if you've got russian f s b operating in the nanc it's not f s b it's former f s b he doesn't fuckt work for them anymore

bro

you know what putin said in a speech once he said once fsp always fsp

ok that's like when they say once a fuck in

one submarine and nam is always a reno it's like some fucking shit pe wile say what's your point it's not just some shit people say

it's not just some ship people say

that is

that is the nature

of service as believes that he believes it's for life he doesn't believe there's any way out

of

the f s b

there one literally is

no no

once in the f s b

you're in for life

if you if you conduct yourself that's literally not true there can lean belows me

transnistria and grosny and all these places if you're conducting yourself in a way that is benefiting the russian government this guy is an ideological warrior he's not a fucking russian agent he's an ideological warrior

that's like saying like

steve bannon is an ideological warrior

and not affiliated with trump at all

and steve bandon like clearly goes to be beanon is an ideological warrior what the fuck are you talking about

his motivations are ideological

right but do you think that putin's

ideological motivations differ from egor gerkins

probably yeah gerth in his

why wouldren't listen gerkin

listen gerkin is associated with a certain intellectual scene

ok

he's an ideologuy

he is associated with a scene

oka

ok

are you going to

are you going to talk about who's part of that scene

are you going to talk about the beliefs typical of such a scene

maybe not

what

look this is according to the new york times

his ideological rigidity precedes any connections he has to russia's security sources

stretching back at least to his days at the moscow institute for history and archives

there he obsessed over military history and joined a small but vocal group of students who advocated a return to monarchism

i still don't see how this

disavows his involvement with like

basically

operations that exclusively benefit the russian federation

and if you've got wagner group my operation benefit the russian federation as well

if you've got a wagner group

i don't know if they do

if you if you've got wagner group

in

you craine

then

you know

it seems like

for all intentsive purposes

there are there's been a

shield of plausible deniability veiled over both gerken and wagner group by dint of the fact that

waged your group is a p m c

and pm cs have some

plausible deniability but we know that wagner group has been

working in syria has been working in ukraine what are you trying to gro spit it out what are you trying to say right now grow

that it

it

you can't just send

pm cs

and and and spies into into foreign countries

and talk about it like it was an assertion of the sovereignty of the downtrodden

that's not what it was

yes it was whatever russia was sending was assistance to those people

and they sent a b uk

and the b u k fired from russian territory in september of twenty fourteen it shot down m h seventeen and killed three hundred people

so your ex your ex girlfriend is getting a b u k every night that you're not there

and then igor gerkin

igle gerkin

posted on contact you

that

they shot down that plane

even even if i accept everything you're saying it's not relevant or meaningful at all

it is relevant no it's not you you have all these a holier than thou claims about sovereignty

oh you know these people in this whole list need to have sovereignty and these people in that a listen sovereignty is very important but when it comes to the collapse of the u s s r that was an extremely messy process which to this day has not been resolved

it just feels like so in that that's that's a situation where like the middle east

and the balkans you have an issue of the development

of sovereignty which is still an ongoing development

ok so you're saying that

the process like

since the collapse of

the so sovereignty a sovereign sovereignty is based

on customs traditions mors and history and things like that it's not just based in a formal institution

sovereignty is also based

in the custom and tradition and legitimacy of a state

all those things are still contested after the collapse of the soviet union

you so you're basically saying that

the states that

that

sort of

split from the uus this r when it dissolved

i're still struggling to figure out

what their sovereignty actually is and what it entails

i

i feel like you

believe

that

the collapse of the u s s r was

terribly unjust

and that

alright

whatever

whatever rationale need be employed should be employed in order to justify

invading

sovereign territory

and you're saying that

you're basically saying that

the sovereignty of these places

it was essentially up for grabs

if it's not set in stone

and

it it feels like that is not what i said for example if russia were to go in

and occupy moldova at the expense of the moldovan people's will

that would be an act of oppression in whatever

funk you talk aout right

that's not what we're dealing with here

situation just way more complicated than that right

let's de let's deal with specifics then

all right so let's say that i conceded that

to nanskin lugansk

needed to be invaded by putin or whatever

you they were not invaded by putin

okay

right okay

so

let's say that

that's the case and

and all that

what

and you just told me that if

russia invaded moldova at the expense of the moldovans

that that would be wrong

and know i'm saying if russia invaded moldova

like the whole of moldova and

forced russian sovereignty over the will of the moldovan people

that the moldovan people have to live under russia and russian rule yeah that would be wrong that would neglect

the reality of moldovan sovereignty

right

and self terminations

what is the

what happened with ukraine

such that

he can

override the sovereignty of the native ukrainians

i don't understand

how it's different

from the moldova do simple days ok

a

russia is not occupying ukraine

it is

demilitarizing ukraine in eliminating a security threat coming from ukraine

ukraine does not have the sovereign right

to pose a security threat to russia

if you want to guarantee a lasting peace on the european continent

if you don't care about peace on the european continent you want to be world war one all over again

then there's no basis for any fucking sovereignty in the first place you chastised me for employing cold war politics earlier and now you're that's not cold war politics that is literally all real politics forever

before the bill clinton era of fucking coping about

everyone in the world globalism that's all fucking made up bullshit

we still live in the same world

that you know of world war one and world war two and we live we in the cold war even we live in that world ok we live in a world

where

everything is based on a very delicate balance of

competing sovereigns

and disputed territories

and wars we live in that fucking world still we don't live in a happy globalist world where everyone's holding fucking hands

and bill clinton singing kumbayah

and everyone's raising charity for starving people in africas and and bono and fucking madonna

are on stage and doing

that's not the world we live on we live in ok we still live in that old world

sounds like you're kind of making a justification for might mix right

no i'm not i'm giving you a description of the world we live in

live in a world

where

if you make moves that threaten another country's security

that country's going to do something about it

you you ive russia tried to settle this peacefully

for eight years

uh did they

yes they did what they even got ukraine to sign the minsko agreements

according to which there would be a ceasefire

in the eastern ukraine

ah which ukraine decided to violate and which ukraine decided to throw out of the fucking window and say oh we don't agree with themn's agreements any more

because we were forced to sign them

well i mean they were technically under duress

but

yeah but those are agree ok and youre grant you anion have declared war then and not sign the agreements because it sign was agreements

if we are talking about agreements

well russia and the united states both violated the budapest referendum

ok

you mean the budapest memorandum

whatever do

in the budapest memorandum

dictated that ukraine give up all its nuclear weapons

or

you know in order to have security as a neutral power

ok

so and then russia

violated that guarantee

in twenty fourteen

and it is violated again

in twenty twenty two

the united states violated it prior to that

both when it sanctioned belarus which was a violation of the budapest memorandum

as well as when it helps

the might on coup if you deny the s is volve into the might on coup

the sanctions against belarus

they had violate the budapest memorandum

why did the sanctions of

because part of the budapest memorandum was that you could not use the powers of economic coeresion

to influence any of these states that were listed in the budapest memorandum and belarus is one of them

why was bellover sanctioned

and when doesn't fucking matter it was a violation of the budapest memorand no it doesn't

yeah because of some internal political bullshit

ilet's see

when but

look

there are bellarus sanctions right now

that are in place

timy the one that woulds a memorandum is thrown out the window

telling me tell me the ones that you're referring to that predate

the twenty fourteen

a invasion of

the nats in the guns

sure

they were

in twenty thirteen

aright

thank you

march

the

actually yet

i think also two thousand and seven there were some

when so ok

so

now that was an onic

i'm reading that

twenty twelve and twenty and thirteen belarus was subject to u k sanctions and e u sanctions

was it subject to

h

u s sanctions as well

yeah it was it t e u sanctions because i can't find a

source that it was subject

to us sanctions in twenty thirteen

i can only find you

and you k

ok in twenty thirteen

american sanctions were implemented against belarus

ok a is of

human rights violations and other illicit activities

of the government of belarus

so the u s responded that oh we didn't do sanctions against the people of belarus

just the government

ok so thesn't fuck it matter still violates those would haveps those are those are those are weasel words

i agree

is georgia listed on the budapest

memorandum

i doubt it

why do you doubt it

i don't know

jery

no it's not

what about

what about moldova

no it's not

alright then

h

i guess

i guess uh

it doesn't matter

that we signed that agreement

especially given

them

you know

russia has invaded ukraine now and nobody's playing by the rules

i guess

so

i will i will concede that the u s breached those sanctions

w when they when they sanction belarus

or they breached the agreement when they

when they've sanctioned bellars i will concede that

but

again i

i don't think that

all right thanks for the concession bye

like if so it hasn't happened in the baltics yet we haven't seen it anywhere else like

six

so funcky along

cicks so fucking along

what like is there i don't i disagree that there is an actual securityk you noblem appreciate youate you so much

i come on

i'm going to change the ten gift to something

for the twenty one

the interest in ukraine i think the interest lies more in the rebuilding of the empire and more of putin establishing his order farther out from moscow

yeah i mean i would just say that this is just um

it's sort of almost a willfully ignorant position and i understand

if you like guzzle state department propaganda i understand why you might say like well how could nato possibly pose a threat to russia it says it right here it's a defensive alliance you know once again the purpose of nato and i again i don't understand why you fuse to acknowledge this

the purpose of nato is to contain russia and contain means

we want to stop russia we want to prevent the influence of russia

you know that's a hostile action

ok and we're aimed at creating a sort of circle around russia we want to contain 's what nato is for and nato is

more than ten to one more powerful than russia

and so

nato then moving into the black sea moving into crimea moving into ukraine

one hundred kilometers from moscow

just by its very existence this this presents a security threat to russia you cand say all you wanty can't imagine a scenario well

american leaders talk about this stuff all the time i mean ever since

the russian incursion in the crimea and their support for the donbass we hear from american leaders

they say putin's a killer putin's a thought who's a dictator

and we know that it is the wet dream of the neo consent of the council on foreign relations in the state department to depose putin this is why western you know western agencies back

putin's opponents like navaly and some of the opposition parties we know that this is what america does they spy on russia we know that we back the anti putin resistance

it's the wet dream of the united states to have a color revolution in russia just like they had in ukraine just like that in georgia just like that in kazakhstan

and so the idea that we can't possibly fathom a scenario where russia would be threatened again ten more than ten to one that'd be like if i went outside your house with a tank and a nuclear bomb and a light machine gun and i came there and i fucking hate destiny i was like but don't worry i'm just here to protect like your neighbors or something

that is true

god

you guys remember when there was actual balance on switch

the's remember one theres

like

it there wasn't just destiny

with free reign and there was actually like

the sargan of akad guy and then this guy and whuufukas

he said it's defensive that's ok you know again you have to look at the history here of the cold war

the antagonism between the west and the east doesn't evaporate overnight and certainly

you know what destiny's the one who got him banned really

why did he get banned oh he got banned because of a

january sixth was it

once again

nato's founding purpose contain russian then it expands to russia's borders and to say like all this

you know russia has nothing to worry about here it's just a refusal to acknowledge the russian pers to get banned for

act in this o way after

america's got its blinders on

it cannot see its own culpability it has no ability

what did he get banned for

it was after the train wrecksit let me look it up

oh he shit on destiny and his baate with train wrecks

no fucking way

no this was six months after the capitoal riot

he got banned in twenty twenty one no he didn't

i was

streaming in twenty and twenty that was one year ago he was in't here and in july or june

isn't here in june

got banned in twenty nineteen

oh he got ban okay

which bn

we see

oh

apparently

some people are saying that it was because he was co streaming

is he was an affiliate and he was doing youtube and

witch streaming at once

this was a day after the debate with several known

oh fuck he got mass reported

o apparently he had a debate oh my god this was a day after he debated

destiny and fucking a

assan

for introspection and to say you know what is our role in the crisis di

they led a mass reporting campaign against them

you know are we enhancing you again the question

are we enhancing ukraines security at the expense of russia i mean the answer is undoubtedly yes and again

and you could the thing about the a bm is just not true

the a b m platforms can be converted into platforms that can launch offensive missiles in a matter of weeks i mean this is just

and you can look into this i'm not a military expert but this is what the experts say

the a b m shield we all know defensive capabilities can become often of capability

in a matter of weeks they do have to be converted but

the hardware is there and i would even get to some of the treaties and this is something i didn't get into in my opening statement and i really want to talk about the missiles i want to hear your take on this in two thousand and

the united states pulls out of the anti ballistic missile treaty which was signed under nixon

and for people who don't know

you know the united states and the soviet union agree we're not going to build anti bolistic missile systems because it undermines mutually sure destruction

if a country is creating a shield where i c b m s may not be effective

this is going to only cause an arms race where at we're countries will want to stockpile massive amounts of missiles and nuclear warheads because if they've got to go through a shield they're going to twice as many missile

so the soviet union in the united states agree ok noballistic missileshield

you know

shooting down missiles is not part of our doctrine because this would incentivize an arms race

well two thousand and one the united states pulls out of the treaty and says i you know what we're going to build an anti bolist missleshiel

and they saiy well don't worry russia that's because of iran and so they start implementing the a b m shield again which undermines mutually sure destruction russia can invest in this

a b m is very expensive it very complex russia does not have a capability so what we're talking about here

is the united states pursuing technology that would in a f

desney fvans mas reported him

i think the reason is because it was on train wrecks

and old boy

those destiny fans they are not used

do you like a neutral

normy twitchstreamer

platform

seeing that shot overwhelmingly pro

destiny's enemy

that probably like ate away at them and got to them you know

and it's very difficult and it's not you no weh're close to this

but it's the threat of it

create a system where they could potentially do a first strike against russia and russia cannot retaliate undermines mutually sure destruction again in twenty one thousand under trump the u s suspends

its treaty obligations to the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty they change american military doctrine and say that

you racist white nationalist

yea uh

i still have not like done any research or whatever i

i uh i care more about actions than beliefs you know i'm one of those guys who cares more about action than

suppose it believes

but

yeah i don't know

people go no you know you know i don't fuck and i don't really research these people you know

um

you know nick land says has said a lot of edgy shit

you know why i'm doing this

gocause

a i'm a nick land

reader i was very re influenced by nickline

nick land is the

the worst

he's work nick land believes in the extinction of humanity like you can't get any worse than that

you can't get any like darker than that like nick land is like the most

it's the most like nehlistic total a moral it's like it doesn't get any worse than that ok

um

it really doesn't get any worse than that

now s like that when ple s like all this guys really scary

yeah that's not really that scary to me you know scary is like

ah

yeah you don't know scary dude

the surface short and medium range ballistic missiles

are part of their military doctrine in eastern europe so we're talking about potentially

theoretically in a military engagement with russia launching surface to surface missiles from eastern europe into russia and russia says hey you know what's going on youre s i'm not easily scared that's what i've say i'm not easily scared

the a b m sh i'm just not

now we need to invest in hypersonic gliders and hypersonic missiles

you're undermining mutually sure destruction in twenty nine thousand russia says you're hang out this last point a because i'm going a little on mile

you know russia says hey you're redeploying missiles to europe he says you know why don't we just ban he says let's put a moratorium on all the missiles because you know what's going to happen is if you shoot a missile against us we don't know if it's nuclear or conventional

and until it lands so i mean that's something called warhead ambiguity

we would have to respond with a nuclear strike if we see a missile coming away the united states refuses to negotiate and the united states pulled out of the treaty first so you say how could they possibly be threatened it's like ok well nato is expanding its purpose is to continue i agreedrim it's about the substance of the debate

the missiles are coming with it the bases are coming with it they're pulling out of the b m treaty they're pulling out of the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty it's like

you know again does the united states have no ability to look and see ge andmy the problem so' like the a b m treaty is garbage why would you want to be part of a treaty weere only russia and the united states are signed onto it what about china what about

then why would you sign the fucking treaty

the democratic people's republic of north korea what about iran what about any other rogue state in the world that might obtain nuclear weapons so

i love het

that city got so buttered by hassan

he just became like a full nio con he's like what about iran what about north korea they're going to bomb us

the rogue stakes that are going to bomb us stop iran

he just became like this george w bush neo connu believes in the most

fuck and stupid gullible bullshit just because he got buttered that hassan

a grew late

twenty times bigger than him

like

i've never seen you know why you know why destiny has no principles at all

i'll tell you why

this is a guy who pretends he's got these firm solid principles no you fucking don't

you stop being friends with hassan

and your entire world view changed

your entire worldview about everything changed

just because you're a petty little bullshit fucking friendship bullshit

this might come down to a disagreement on the matter of facts and i

maybe we just disagree on this but my understanding is that it goes full war

that nuclear weapons i c b m are relatively sophisticated in terms of how they launch and the deployment systems for the nuclear ward you can put mervs on these things a single missile can fire off like one hundred different warheads some which might be nuclear some which might be dummy that there are thousands of these things on both sides i don't believe that anybody believes that anybody on the russian or u s side has anywhere near the capability right now to stop a legitimate second strike threat from any country that if if either side launches a nuke everything's going into the air and

there is no shot that across the entire geography of the united states we have the capability to stop not only whatever weapons are shot from russia but whatever pops out of the ocean whatever psu of the civic atlantic whatever i pin there's just there's no reliable way right now to stop you got mogged and decided to become a neolib

it's literally what happened russia's second strike capabilities have not been freatened and my understanding is that the a b m treaty is seen as kind of bullshit for the same reasons why some of the climate accords are seen as kind of bullshit the united states doesn't want to necessarily play climate games when people like india or china have so many exemptions from these same things same thing with the a b m treaties like that's great that the united states and russia might come to some agreement but i don't know what north korea iss doing i don't know what iran is doing i don't know if i want to hamper my own abilities to deter a nuclear threat from one of the smaller states i don't believe that russia's nuclear

ability to a compromise i'm pretty confident saying that because if they were i feel like putin would be screaming that from the rooftops every single day i think i would be the first thing out was notow every time he talks because for however much i might hate russia and however much i might hate nuclear weapons some level of mutually sure destruction is probably good in maintaining some level of peace between countries you knowd your head but i mean ukraine probably felt that way too before they deposed of their nuclear arms and then russia invaded them when they no longer had the ability defend themselves from another nuclear power from invasion

in terms of like being afraid of a color revolution i mean now we've gone from we're worried that the united states might lead a nato invasion from ukraine into russia into what are usually the liberal arguments of well if russia sees a thriving happy democracy on its border

this was the moment i like i was like a ga he's never

there's no recovery from the stupidity there's none

it's more west facing maybe the people in russia are going to be really upset and they're going to revolt and there's going to be issues there

that is not what a color revolution is that's not what a fucking color revolution is

no color revolution in history has ever happened that way

ok second of all

is ukraine going to become a thriving happy democracy i don't know ask romania ask bulgaria

ask fuck in bulgaria

ok

ask bulgaria and romania and all these other fucking countries

that

you know

aren't really faring particularly better than russia is

while they're in the e u

mean ok

even put like ok but let's do it just g d p per capital

russia vers bul garia g d p per capital

y russia has a higher g d pe per capita

then bulgaria was checked romania

russia has a higher g d p per capita than romania let's check

poland should at least have one more than russia

right

poland's got to have a higher gdp

per capital

uh

okay according to this

russia is just seven hundred dollars a year behind poland

and it's seventy third in the world in poland's and sixty nine place which is especially telling

considering poland was historically wealthier than the soviet union

in the eastern block

under the warsaw pact

m as far as i remember i don't know i could be wrong about this

but poland had a better living standard than the soviet union did

hungary's gota be way better than russia though right

at least hungry's got to be way better right

a

it's got to be way better right

hungary has historically been

much wealthier thean

we're not much but just wealthier

a so hungary has eighty percent debt to g d p ratio russia has twenty percent

but yeat hungary's got a fifteen thousand and russia's only got ten thousand

apparently right

yeah hungary is pretty wealthy it's ranked forty fourth

but that's not because of the oh no no that's sorry sorry fox fox fo

uh g d p per capita

yeah hungary's ranked forty fifth

and

russias ranked fifty fifth

so it's thirty

oh actually in terms of p p p which actually matters more

oh no they measure it by p p p actually by purchasing power

hungary is not that much wealthier than russia it's only eleven percent more wealthy

it's only eleven percent more wealthy and keep in mind that

hungary has always had a better standard of living

since the warsaw pack days

and the soviet union

so it's actually not that significant

so what is destiny actually talking about

riving about what do you mean the e u doesn't make countries that are very

or

wealthy it does'en it's never done that

there's not a single example of a

eastern poor eastern european country that suddenly had a giant and massive increase in standard of living

because of joining the fucking e u

me does he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about it's so laughably fucking stupid

color revolutions don't happen because people

look at actual model successes

color revolutions happen

because

people look at america germany and france and the uk you're not going to fuck and be like that because that's the imperial corps and you're in the periphery and they see you as a fucking peasant you'll never be like that

if you submit to their rules

you know

like people people look at these like western europeanaus we col be i got n know you fuck and can't

you really can't

that doesn't seem to be a good argument for russia invading ukraine because they're so scared that some successful country on their border might you know instigate some

revolution of their own borders unless i guess you want to take a step further that's not what a color a color revolution doesn't happen when you have like this

spontaneous revolution

call the revolutions happen

when they're funded and organized and

created artificially by foreign actors

talk about g d p but like social justice accountability

yeah but what people give a fuck a he was talking about like flourishing and thriving

people care about

putting bread on their table they don't give a fuck about like this

you know

this other dumb shit

in any decisive way

gk

you will care about what puts bread on the table

you want to know why there's protests in russia sometimes because people are having tough times paying the bills

that's just the fuck and truth

the only way you ever get like popular support for any color revolution

is by taking advantage of economic grievances

otherwise it doesn't have popular support

you know i get it urbanites tend to like give a fuck about

you know shit

but the majority people don't

wether and say it's all said and yeah and yeah

ga guy just like germany

to c i all

operatives on the ground you know fomenting distruct you know i'm so sick of these like

there's so many you know how many people from from fuck in lebanon or wherever the fuck else in the middle east they come they're like

go know

we need to be hoart on ourselves

why can we be not switzerland

but look how they do their money in switzerland

what is our excuse

in the switzerland

they are wealthy

we must become western

we must have the democracy

it's not how fucking works i don't know why i can't do an airborg accon right now

thpinking of the french accent

we must have democracy

is i can't do it because i don't even know any fucking actual people like that

i don't actually know people who are like this i just know they exist

i don't know how they sound

i don't know how people sound who say shit like this i don't it's actually baffling

i only know french people who say this shit

you must have a democracy

if you are becoming a weasternized

no that's bored

if you are becoming westernized

you will have a democracy

that you will need

no i'm fucking it talan i don't wans going on guys i don't wants go on i'm usually good at accents

in the government i

i don't i don't i just i don't think it's a good argument for so many people i they're young and they love em on usk in their take visionaries where the buck

and they're like the elite of every country that

there's a lot of that in latin america

there's a lot of that

the being able to invade ukraine

um

backing up i have to ask because you keep mentioning and you keep repeating these points about nato is aggressive alliance nato was en circling russia

when has n nato taken aggressive action against russia

by expanding eastward dummass the alternate if you're asking

have they initiated nuclear war no

yea i need that bubble bass guy to teach me the french ajaccon

and if these avian platforms are so threatening why is it that i think just last in february biden is literally allowing he's welcoming putin to come and inspect these platforms of course he wants to be able to inspect platforms in russia as well why would we allow them to do that if the at tack is so easy to swap out you know you say that it can happen in a matter of weeks i mean russia surveillance will catch that is not like you' could to be moving the stuff around and changing up these platforms entirely without anybody seeing that happening you know surveillance is where it is right now in twenty twenty two

yes

what is the threat that nato represents to russia what is the threat is the perceived security risk aside from russia not being able to invade partnering countries

yeah so i've never said that nato thes a nato invasion in russia that's going to happen or nato i didn't say it's it's an aggressive alliance

i said that the founding purpose of nato is to contain russia

so it's not like this is just an alliance l g you know we just we all want to have safety and security it's like you know we are shoring up these countries against russia russia cannot join nato

you know they would not permit russia to join it's you know

would that be great for world security if the united states and russia were in an alliance that i meinan that would probably be the best thing for world peace but russia

is precluded from joining because nato is an anti russian alliance and you could just as easily say russia's never invaded a nato county

russias never invaded the nato country russia has never invaded

a western country that never invaded the united states or anything like that and yet there's this fear that they're going to invade

and the point is you know russia's borders are not

on the border of germany but nato's borders are now on the border of russia

the and i've said this before

the mere numbers itself speak to the threat

you know this is a counter russian alliance which outspends russia ten to one which is now on their border in the black sea in crimea

and you know what's the security threat posed

how about an a b m shield how about surface to surface ballistic missile stationed all over ukraine surface to surface missiles whi can reach

russia in five minutes and are unstoppable and indistinguishable from a nuclear warhead

what's the potential risk

and you know again a lot of this has to do with something called security dilemma it's not to say that

you know because i'll grant you it ma may seem outlandish oh it is nato going to invade russia you know probably not anytime soon

but it's like

the job of moscow the job of the russian government is to secure russia against all threats if there is this capability

that nato with this again ten to one massive military far more sophisticated

and more stuff and far out fens and bigger pots

anno russia wanted to join nato

from the beginning

population off it's on their border

that in itself is a threat that existence of all that concentrated power

and that trip wire right on the border it's a huge stret

and even you know going back to the a b m shield

i'll grant you is there a legitimate reason for the united states to pull out of the a b m shieldh absolutely you're right china' is not a part of it and there are rogue states that are nuclearrizing so i understand what you're saying

but this does nothing for russia

because

you know now and you're right the a b m shield is far from working right it's very

we don't know how to shoot down i c b s reliably yet

but

the united states pulls out of the a b m treaty with no regard for

how this affects russian american generals say the plan was to build the largest nato base in ukraine damn

in doctrine russia cannot spend on a b m a b m is very expensive it's very complex they don't have the means for that

and so when the united states says like we're going to create an a b m shield over don't worry we're going to put it throughout europe we're put it in poland we're going to put it over here

which could theoretically in a theoretical context

prevent russia from doing retaliatory strike

this is a very provocative thing towards russia you may say oh russia's got nothing to worry about but that's the american perspective what about the russian perspective where it's like jeep

are they going to build an a b m shield that and they will have the ability even if the united states he should know to strike russia with impunity that would be enough to present a security threat to russia which is the point and so there's almost no consideration it's like oh well come on they're not going to be oh come on that's not a big deal what about the russian perspective what about if you're russia

and you see missiles coming ukraine and you see the a b m shield pull up and they're pulling out of the treaties and theater support missiles are now back on the table in europe and you say well why wouldn't talk about this he did

he did in twoentousyd and twenty one in november

putin re in two thousand and twenty when the united states formally pulled out of the intermediate range nuclear treaty russia said listen i've got a proposal let's put a moratorium on all the missiles in europe

the united states didn't respond in november twentusyd and twenty w reiterate he said i've even got a more detailed proposal and we're going to inspect the sites and you can inspect our sites

and it's a robust mechanism no response in december twoentousy and twenty one in a press conference pt comes and says

i don't know why the west isn't talking about my missile proposal in january january eleventh twelth and thirteenth that the geneva talks

they say agree with us on missiles even the american security experts say that there's room for common ground he did better than me

you can't really compare it he did very well

but the reason you can't compare it is be caause

destiny

showed respect in his debate

he kept his mouth shut

he didn't do any insults

and he behaved

you know

he never did that in our debate

but they don't reced to the demands because you know we don't negotiate with dictators where we will not be i is thats hes terrified of this guy

not allows it by dictators

so it's like you know what more can you do when they're deploying missiles that can strike russia in five minutes on their border and the purpose of the alliance is to contain russia yet a lot of mutual respect

i don't think there's mutual respect

i think

this guy nick he

i don't know him that well but he strikes me as a

conservative young man

what i mean by that is that

he he doesn't he see i feel like he's he will be civil to anyone you know

he will keep it polite he won't

resort to attacks

and this cheap games he'll just kind of like

so be conservative and polite right

whereas

but i don't i don't think he actually respects you know he's just

that's by the way that's how you're supposed to act as a human being

in general as a human being

even if you don't let's say there's a dude who shares his wife

you still have to like outwardly

present

some civil respect

even if you don't respect them deep down right

that's like a hypothetical random hypothetical on wind anything else

but it's a random hypothetical like you still have to like

you know keep up the veneer of respect

but if they start to disrespect you then all bets are off and you can just roast the shit out of

right

nato never invaded russia russia also never invaded nato but whos expanding on whose border with their missiles and military base

who's got the defensive alliance which is designed to fight russia you know

it's not right so so keep i keep hearing this over and over again and maybe this is we've hitse fascist tell the truth now all right

i take

yeah you i don't know i have a different brain than you i don't i don't think like m

i don't put labels first

i hear what i hear how people behave

and what they say first

and the labels come after

rock bottom we keep saying the purpose of the alliance is to contain russia contain russia from doing what

invading their neighboring countries like if russia didn'tengage in these actions it shouldn't really matter it's not like this is containing or trying to contain russia in an economic sense like we're cutting them off from trade deals or like we're trying to blockade their cruisers or we're trying to compromise their ability to move anything throughouter world like this isn't the case we talk about like containing russia and it sounds like we're saying we don't want to contain russia from invading countries on their border that's just that that explanation

just defies logic to me you know we talk about this idea that again we're always framing this in the case of u s security interest versus russian security interest is ukrainian security interest just not at play here do we just not care about this and like ukraine has a genuine security interest in that they want themselves to be a sovereign country the right to decide which alliances they will or will not join and the idea that there might be nato bases here in the future that biden is open to inspection the idea that down the road maybe

second strike capabilities are lost in russia and now they just get nuked by the uss we cand do so with impunity maybe that will happen thirty years from now so now today we need to take over ukraine i don't know i just i totally don't buy that as a reason i feel like you could use that same justification then for russia to essentially invade anybody they want that's near their borders and isn't claimed up by nato yet which if is the case then that's an even stronger argument for nato expansion every nato country feels likell holy shit literally these four letters are the only thing that keep my country from being invaded by putin

damn natal membership sounds like a pretty good thing right now

and i just i don't see i don't feel like you've established a credible threat to russia you keep mentioning like the surface to surface missiles that can reach moscow in five minutes i mean like if we were in like the fifties maybe this would matter that we've lost second strike capabity because oh no the whole government is wiped out nbody even saw the missile coming but this isn't the case anymore their continuity of government exists there are submarines all over the world by from every nuclear power that's capable of emerging in the pacific or in the atlantic and nuking you know shooting god knows how many nuclear missiles that god knows

how many targets if second strike is something that needs to happen

you're not losing second strike unless sir

i'm looky it's not

to have from medalicure solid some crazy anti ballistic shield where you yourself say the technology doesn't exist yet we're nowhere near that yet but

and yeah the idea that surface to surface missiles might exist in some part of these nato that's crazy how smirors in the chat

trees that are again open to only streamed like a few times but

it' a go weird point of view

inspection fro russian leaders that this somehow justifies russia invading these countries for hypothetical security interests in the future i just don't think that argument is strong enough

well in

here's a thing even if you think all my arguments are russian propaganda

like the reason why you know because i know the nato science is all the you know the security thing is just a pretext for russian revanism a all propaganda what would even give russian propaganda credibility if that's what this was

is the fact that nobody on the nato side will

i mean they won't even begin to acknowledge

how russia might have a legitimate security concern like again you just sort of handwave away oh so what maybe in thirty years russia can't retaliate so what maybe they develop an a b m fel so what you have service to serviace missiles forward deployed in ukraine like big deal

that is a really big deal that is a really big threat to russia and that nato was formed to contain russia we say contain we mean

we want to suffocate russia that's the goal of the nato alliance that's a goal now of nato expansion is to prevent russia from influencing its neighbors from

and by the way that's just what great power politics is a countries seek to influence their neighbors it just so happens at the entire western hemisphere and western europe is a fpear of influence of the united states of america and everybody knows full well that if russia deployed the same capab

yeah we should stream together more

when samyra when you wake up

you just don't sleep right

alities to cuba if cuba was in a defensive alliance

if cuba joined the warsaw aact

if russia deployed surface to surface missiles in cuba they had a base in cuba

everybody knows the united states would not tolerate

everybody knows united states and you could say oh well cuba's right guys our podcast is coming very soon

thing like next week

next thursday

and so on

but the foreign policy establishment in the united states would not tolerate it they wouldn't

nobody even dream of tolerating that

anywhere in the western hemisphere

not in cuba not in venezuela not in bolivia not in nicagua nowhere

but we're able to shore up in crimea crimea historically russian clay ok ian this is a seventy year

flupe

that crimea belongs to the autonomous part of ukraine

it's just nonsense

we should have dougan on

the podcast actually

the idea that we have a nato base i think he's c e o of channel one news now so he might

you might not be too busy but

crimea it's just like unfathomable

for this russian security operativet cannot allow that i mean they just can't a good conscience allow that kind of a security threat and you i mean you won't even

interact with that argument it's like well i mean it probably won't happen it's probably like not a big deal well for the russians it clearly is and

and the point is to say this

you know in this stuff about like a thriving democracy and weile ukraine shos this stuff is really semantics what we're talking about here is two great powers two empires

and they're dugging it out over a formally neutral ground that's what it is

ukraine is you know neutral ostensibly somewhat under russian influence and i would say truly is neutral because in two thousand and

right you get you shanko

and yanukovich wasn't this pro russian stooge that people make come out to be you know he tried to balance

the west against russia definitely lean closer russia

ukraine was truly a buffer neutral state if not leaning slightly towards russia

right

and the point is you know that std and maybe to get more fundamentally to the heart of the issue

why is there a conflict here in ukraine what caused this

we cannot acknowledge the fact that we have catalyzed this by trying to wrest control of ukraine from moscow it's about two empires competing over neutral state

and h you know it's to say oh well it's about democracy or this one or that one shows

it's got to do with missile placement it's got to do with mutually sure destruction it's got to do with all these things and people will again acknowledge the ukrainian security interest the american security interest but not the russian and you know i just don't

i'm not getting from you that you really understand what that means for the russians like i'm fully willing to concede like

yeah i get why youkin want to be part of nato i get why they don't want you goin to be part of nato it's part of their policy of containment

but there's no willingness on the other side to say you know let's give russia the benefit of the doubt maybe it is legitimate security concerns w under

to erode mutually sure destruction which has been in place for forty years maybe this is an antagonist towards russia to put surface to surface missiles reintroduce you know reintroduce where they were not in one thousand reintroduc ter support missiles as the backbone of american military doctrine like there's no willingness to say like you know gee russia maybe has legitimate

opposition to that it's like oh no no no that's just all an excuse because russia's evil and russia wants to invade everybody and it's like

that's belied by the fact that russia has out spent ten more than ten to one by the we anti russian alliance we can keep bring up that the ten to one spending i thinks doing anying

dugan and imran hussein

i think separate would

maybe

two separate segments because

it'd be too chaotic you know

but maybe the same day but just

like back to back but

both of them at the same time would be way too chaotic

building argument i can i can acknowledge that russia that putin might perceive there to be a security interest i can acknowledge it

yeah i can acknowledge that perception exists and i say my because we both agree here that nato has never made an aggressive move to such a dummance

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nato has never made an aggressive move because that is nuclear holocaust

it's that fucking simple stop saying they've never made an aggressive move

if

by an aggressive move you mean an encroachment upon russia's territory

that's a world war three ok

everything else at their disposal they've made aggressive moves everything else that's been at their disposal

everything else

towards russia if they were contlicts made aggressive move forwards nato which is a good reason for ukraine to join nato so that they

stop being fucked with by russia that's

why are they being fucked with destiny

has russia bucked with ukraine in any capacity before twenty fourteen

if so how

that's an argument for ukraine joining nato but the fact that nato can expand to include ukraine

when we both agree that nato doesn't attack russia i mean like we have special phone lines installs and there's conflict in the middle east the u s will cliterarly call russia and say hey you have any guys there we don'tant to blow your owneopleup accident

because they don't want nuclear war

and like we go out of our way right now to ensure that there isn't conflict between nato and russia and even if i can acknowledge that there might be a perception on the russian side that there might be a security with thats andy ultimately doesn't understand

is that there's actually a balance of power beyond mutually assu destruction

like

there are ways to leverage your geostrategic

advantage over enemies

when it comes to international sanctions when it comes to the

but wercing them to adopt certain policies

when it comes to them to adopting certain economic policies

when it comes to them i

trying to influence the domestic affairs of a country

this is there's a fine line between just directly invading a country

and using your military leverage is a subtle way to coerce and bully a country into submission

interest here that perception doesn't supersede ukraine's right to self determination and if you want to gi for the gift that

take the boy i'm going to pis guize i'll be right back

i'll be right back

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with objectsion

i did not take a shit

i took a piss

but i was on my phone

realist analysis of this that's fine but you're not getting any normativity from that you're not telling me whether russia's you know decision is right or wrong or whether it's morally or whatever justified you're just telling me that russia will seek to basically annex whatever inhiber it can if it perceives there to be a security threat which again is just a stronger argument for a moreggressive

russia's not annexing all of ukraine what the fucg are you talking about

of expansion of nato when you use a realist perspective on russia's dealings with its neighbor all you're doing is revitalizing the arguments for a nato alliance and that's really

that it he is like

yeah like

russia risk retaliating for slapping it across the face is all the more reason why we need to keep slapping it across the face

because if we don't the retaliate

what are you fucking saying

all that' happened if we don't

slap russia across the face they're going to punch us

what is your evidence well i slapped them across the face and they punched us so that that's your evidence

begin my argument you've got countries like sweden and finland that are looking to join nato since two thousand and fourteen in russia's invasions of crimea you started to see active nato military forces being deployed to places like estonia latviaan and lithuania and act seeing dylan's face for the first time

where can i react to that

where can i react to that

all the realist perspective does here is give us an even stronger argument for why nato needs to expand to include these central asian and eastern european countries because if they don't then russia is going to seek to invade them

ok but again this belies the fact that nato expanded first i mean itself so nato expands to thirteen countries over twenty years to former warsaw pack countries to former russian states to form a russian sphere of influence

russia draws a red line it you can't take ukraine ukraine is so vitally strit

particularly import you can't take it ittos a well we're expanding there anyway you know that's too bad and then russia response and you go see that justifies why we've been expanding for twenty years there's huges proves that there's not i le' you going that just proves

that's like but nato expanded first the united states pulled out the a b m treaty at ao one they pulled out of the nuclear intermediate nuclear forces treaty in nineteen

they expanded to thirteen countries before two thousand and

and then when russia finally respond in twenty fourteen a red line was crossed

and then they don't go see that's why we're expandish but jackson it's because he is terrified of fuinas

he's actually terrified of them

see that just goes to show why you need nato it's like

and the point is

on the real issue is that he's actually got a huge chat

these are like the meanest most

toughest guy a political chat on the internet

oh my god if you think these guys

these guys think they're toxic or whatever they're nothing

ity would get eaten for breakfast

and would need psychotherapy

perspective

what what is our foreign policy what are we trying to do because i mean and to the point

getting back to the conflict which is ongoing in ukraine

i don't like conflict

i don't like when people die ukraine i don't like when ukraine's destroyed this is not in anybody's interest this is not

good for ukraine obviously this is not good for america this is not good for russia

but what led us to this point

you know i fail to see why because there was no imminent threat of a russian invasion in ukraine

the problem was that zelenski was unwilling or hoorshenko too unwilling to give up donbass unwilling to give up rimia unwilling to give up their aspirations to nato a about destinyes like i am winning over nickch

he's like i have to be complee cool and composed because

i'm trying to win over you know what these guys do

what destiny and voss do is like they win over they win over like the weak links

from the the far right

all of the weaklings in the far right they like they kind of drain them out

you know

is the far right they're brutal and they they bully the weak over there

and all of these like nerds who are like

these ugly fat fucks they're like

i'm sicked of being buried desthin they came to save me and then they

destiny comes in fuck and rescues them

and the reason that they th that ukraine was so inbolden is because nato said we got your back ukraine would never dare to stand up to russia and pope them like they do but they think that

they've got nato they get to go to congress and demand a no fli zone and it's like

so what is the in realist terms in terms of how states actually behave not normatively not how they ought to behave but in terms of how we know states act

and in terms of how we can expect states to act

expanding nato to ukraine or even even talking about that is a provocative action but we have done that ever since two thousand and eight

and that is what has led to the current crisis and you could argue in in a hypothetical timeline does russia and be ukraine without the nato aspirations

we can't know that

but we also can't you know arrive at the situation was that i met

infrared

people in person at the c p i conference

all of them have

the energy they all have like this aura

of baseness

they don't have thisl louce

bucking noodlely energy that you get from destiny's people

they all have a firm solid earthly energy you know

they all have this earthly energy about them

that's just solid i can't even fuck and explain it

right

where's destiny

oh god it's just the fucking circuss

oh we should

without analyzing our own behavior

and saying you know all of our actions provoked russia because

you know at the end of the day

we have to talk in terms of the tangible the real this is a real outcome and it's really bad and this is a failure ultimately of american policy

and you could point the blame at russian you know hold your arm say well you know russia just evil and you know they're just doing evil things you have to blamerussia beauss are evil and so on and you know we have no culpability

but of course in great power politics yes we have culpability we're global in a regional head of min so we do have to have some interesspection analyze how did our collective policy out of our policy of collective security russian containment

did that play a role in provoking russia to engage in a conflict where nobody wins

we have to look at it like that and on

and i think you'll find that these policies rundertaking it's naive to say that they're just so they're just so goody two shoes in nature all you know youukin running nto it's totally not yeah you know what i want

i went to modern day debate and saw destiny's fans

holy fuck and shit

are fans verses his

in a room

holy fox

holy fall

but it's totally about thank you j p

bart

don't criticize it like oh you know sec countries want sovereignty it's sejurity who can blame them for that it's like well look at the other side

it's a negotiation everybody's security interested and we're only outnumbered

paid attention to it not in an event in an irellavan the people who would attend that

it wouldn't be our numbered

for russia but russia has guns too and a realist world order you have to pay attention to these things otherwise you get a crisis

and then i want to say one thing and then

here's the other thing

you know let's entertain a scenario where ukraine joins nato

you know because they're still pushing for even after the crisis in fourteen

what's cose today

what's that of course yes let's say ukraine becomes a nato member state ok what the do

well guess what crimea

is still formally occupied by russia don bass and the civil war between kev and don bass is still ongoing

so what happens then

when the government in kiv is at war with russian back proxies and don bass

as a quite as a consequence of ukraine joining nato you now have a proxy war in ukraine a proxy civil war

between russian backed separatist and and the know member state

what's more

he have does not acknowledge the russian annexation of crimea i mean they do not

accept this fact so

you know

that now we're in a really bad security spot where

and you could say oh this would never happen beus people never do this but i mean you of course of course these things can happen what happens if there's a war between russia and ukraine over crimea what happens when there is a

you know there's this ongoing proxy war between russian back separatists in don bass and ukraine and i've heard the argument people says he says well

you know nato' is defensive so article five obligations are

invoke if we attack russia or something

but as we know the fog of war is thick and as to who started which conflict of course would benefit ukrainians to say oh well russia attacked us ow we need to folld nato response to crimea

the point is

this is a you don't need to be pro russian or pro american you don't need to be an expert to say that's a really fucked up situation it is a bad situation have a nato member state

with disputed territory in crimea

and a proxs of war and donbesst

like that

that is probably the biggest threat to world war three in the entire world that's probably the

you know so that american policymakers would seriously consider this in spite of what's going on the moment that russia made crimea the united states s is put thisus on danger because that's ok they have bunkers we don't

you know what it's too too complicated we can't get involved

but even in twenty twenty one they're saying we're going to haves our strategic partnership ukraine to become a part of nato it's like we know that russia' is not giving up crimea we know that the thing in don bass is going to be resolved any time soon so even if we chieve our aspirations all this would do is create a situation a power gag that could absolutely lead to world war three maybe

be the number one cause of world war three if that would happen

sure so

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