Haz has a diccussion with Nick Fuentes | Politically Provoked Stream 🚀 Infrared Content Catalog

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mr infrared haze how are you

good how are you how are you what's up

so yeah for those who don't know you um

haas why don't you introduce yourself to

everyone

um i'm haas from the infrared show

and we've been in this for like a year

now and you know i'm mainly on twitch

for now so yeah are you streaming to

youtube or anything right now

nope not streaming at all okay so i

didn't nick didn't need to introduce

himself then although i still don't

think he needs to but

all right so i know that nick was

watching a lot of uh your your debates

with destiny and i think that probably

is what sparked this whole thing so i

guess i will let just nick take it off

and um yeah

yeah hey how's it going haas what's up

good good myself how about you i'm i'm

doing good uh yeah no i saw your debate

with uh

is it uh jackson hinkle or jason henkel

jackson yeah jackson and uh destiny and

that other

that other guy gur i don't know what

that the other one

i don't mean to offend i know you're uh

on the left but i don't really know what

that was i don't want to misgender that

individual

but

yeah i thought the debate was great

stuff

really great job holding down the fort

for russia you know so

so what how would you describe yourself

are you

a stalinist are you a nazbal what's the

situation over there

uh not a nas bull but uh definitely 100

stalinist and

you know i am pretty uh heavily

influenced i don't consider myself a

duganist but

like i'm pretty influenced by dugan and

i definitely don't think that western

marxism leninism

uh

is viable today right so i'm definitely

drawing from

some pretty heterodox sources for my uh

for my thinking

interesting interesting yeah because

it's funny you say that because i am a

huge fan of joseph stalin myself and i

actually got

called out uh by right wing watch

this week because i was on a show and

somebody said look who's your political

hero and i said well honestly really

it's joseph stalin and everybody's like

oh you know well that's just so you know

he's a fascist just like you are but uh

i think he was incredible why what do

you love most about stalin

uh genuinely i think um

i think stalin here's what i think i

think he

he pursued the correct line under

pressure when it was very easy to bend

he pursued a straight path you know so

that's what i admire most about him for

me stalin you know uh he's the man of

steel you know so

it's kind of speaks for itself you know

so true it's so true yeah i mean

like all these uh right-wing people i

mean they say oh he's this communist

he's a butcher and like i personally i'm

not a fan of the collectivization of

agriculture i am not a marxist so i

don't support that but as far as

personal leadership goes there's

something to be said about a guy with a

plan and just pushes forward at any cost

you know even when it was hard even when

there was resistance even when it faced

sort of these early problems he pushed

through and it ultimately was a success

ultimately

the soviet union was collectivized

industrialized nuclearized results speak

for themselves i'm a results guy you

know i'm a big fan of results and you

can't argue with the results that he

produced that's it's just it's good to

see that because i feel like it's all

these like

neoliberal types in the middle that

would say oh stalin was this horrible

dictator and this sort of duganist

left-wing people as well as

reactionaries can

sort of handshake and say yeah um

one of the important things to keep in

mind about stalin another reason why i

admire him so much

is that

not a lot of people know this but stalin

when i say he was going straight he was

dealing with threats not just from the

right but also from the ultra left you

know um

you know trotsky's plan for the soviet

union was basically to turn it into this

kind of like

you know um

society where 90 of people would

basically be slaves and you know

intellectuals in the cities were going

to have tyranny over everyone so to me i

also think there's a there's a populist

element to stalin where he is really

representing that russian peasant as

opposed to the kind of

intellectuals coming from the city who

were more westernized and you know

so to me you know there's that aspect as

well

is that stalin was able to resist those

ultra fanatical people

uh who wanted to just completely

liquidate everything liquidate culture

liquidate you know russia as a nation

and you know completely liquidate the

orthodox church and all that kind of

stuff so that's an important thing to

keep in mind as well

yeah well and hang on i think uh can you

guys hear me better now i think i was on

yeah yeah much better actually yeah

everybody was texting me you're on the

wrong mic um

yeah i absolutely agree and that i think

that's one of the things where

and it's you know let me know what you

think about this because people talk

about the so-called red brown alliance

all the time in these circles uh i've

always said it's fool's gold i've always

said i think this conversation really

took off in 16 when

you know donald trump was appealing to

the so-called bernie bros and brought

over some disaffected whites uh who

voted for obama you know they said that

jack murphy wrote the book democrat to

deplorable he's not really

representative of that he was just like

this jewish sex freak he really wasn't

one of the democrats that became

deplorable like a like a white union guy

who hated obama you know he was more

just like a jewish grifter in dc but but

there was something to that like the

bernie bro trump

and former obama to trump pipeline in

michigan pennsylvania and i've always

said i've always been skeptical of this

because you you would see historically a

lot of these so-called the brown shirts

the alt-right types and they would say

um you know they were making the

overtures to the uh chapo trap house

types and to the left-wing people and

always would be rebuffed you know i

remember there was um

one one of those former alt-right guys

you know 1.0 2.0 alt-right types uh went

to an anti-war protest anti-iranian war

protest and all the left-wing people

boot him out they hear [ __ ] nazi get

out of here uh but then i see somebody

like you i saw your speech at that

conference i forget the name of the

organization i want the abraham lincoln

cpi yeah i saw your speech there and you

said we don't need to draw from

we're not going to be able to draw from

the left where we actually see more

potential in the right so what do you

think about the potential for this sort

of so-called red brown you know between

the and i don't like brown i'm not a

brown shirt but the so-called populist

ride populist left coming together on on

key issues what do you think about that

so um

just like you i'm a results-oriented guy

as well you know the the ideology stuff

i think when we get bogged down in that

ideology i mean ideology's supposed to

be a guide you know it's supposed to be

a guide to results right so to me

i'm we're faced with this

unipolar system right of the deep state

and the city of london and you know the

monopoly capitalists and wall street and

silicon valley i mean these people

control our country i mean regardless of

what ideology you have this is the

situation we're in right so what i'm

interested in is um

creating a movement that can actually

not only challenge this but overthrow

these people and what comes after we

could do whatever the [ __ ] we want right

we can't do it i mean it doesn't matter

what ideas we have in our head

you can't do anything as long as you

have this establishment right which you

know for on the left side of things you

have

they wanted the health care right bernie

wanted the health care i mean you could

have had the health care but we don't

have it because of the uh the the

insurance industry right the health

insurance industry and then you know uh

the right you know it has its cultural

views and it has uh you know it had its

views on immigration and so on and we

all know that um

it's not going to be allowed to be able

to have a serious immigration reform

because

capitalists in this country use cheap

migrant labor to displace

and drive down the wages of the working

class so you know it does i don't really

like to get caught up in the details of

ideology on this thing about the the red

brown alliance

you know interestingly that has its

origins

in russia itself so during the 1990s

after the collapse of the soviet union

you had this neoliberal you know yeltsin

and the oligarchs they took over all of

russia

and then on the ground you had you know

monarchists you had nationalists and

then also you obviously had communists

right

and the

the neoliberal press would call it a red

brown alliance because they basically

created this popular front where they

were like okay on the one hand we have

this foreign neoliberal agenda that

wants to starve and loot and you know

basically destroy russia and then on the

other hand you basically had you know

a popular front what else to call it

right so that's actually the origin of

that and you know the reason we don't

have anything like that in the united

states

is because

we have a left in this country we call

it at the we call it over at the cpi

uh it was actually caleb who came up

with this term it was uh the synthetic

left

so this left that we have was basically

created in the laboratories of uh the

deep state and the cia and then pushed

out into the masses around you know the

60s and the 70s with that counterculture

and that new left right and ever since

then we've had this kind of you know the

left has been the vanguard of the ruling

classes agenda

yeah well and i i think that's really

the crux of the issue and me and destiny

actually talked about this and i think

he understands now that i'm like more

i'm a good faith actor i think years ago

he thought that i was just like i you

know i was the secret neo-nazi with like

this concealed agenda and i think now he

sort of sees me more as uh you know i

i i do believe in the things that i say

i wouldn't suffer this persecution for

the things that i say if i didn't

believe in them and um

i said like don't don't doesn't it give

you pause that woke capital you look at

the capitalist class you look at you

know all those uh institutions you

mentioned deep state silicon valley city

of london which i'm glad you mentioned

that because that's a pretty big red

pill that a lot of people aren't really

aware of um you know don't you look at

those promulgating the same things that

you say and you know in other words

don't you see maybe you're on the wrong

side of things like all these

institutions are evil they're pushing

horrible things financially in terms of

war

you know anywhere you look privacy

and so if you're on the same side as

like the worst people in the world

running this evil empire uh maybe you're

wrong right maybe like your your whole

ideology is wrong and uh he came at me

with this very naive thing where he's

like well actually i don't think it's so

bad i don't think that you know big

business is bad i don't think that the

deep state is all that bad and this and

that and uh and that's where you get

these guys like vosh fat ian kaczynski

and the guy's literally taking money

from the deep state and it's like i just

said this on my show the other day where

are the liberals where are the true

leftists that used to recognize that the

cia would install fascist governments

across the world like in chile or in

iran

now you get these liberals and leftists

that are cheerleading

the color revolution in ukraine and

naively you know i said they got james

clapper and james comey on cnn it's like

decades ago you had anti-war liberals

anti-cia liberals and now they're all

cheerleaders like you said the synthetic

left created by and for the the deep

state and their agenda and uh and that's

where i'm i'm like looking for the

so-called real leftist that recognizes

you know to summarize it in a concise

way that the number one menace to the

world is not the so-called

neo-nazis the january six proud boys

whatever it's the deep state like you

know because i think about the war in

iraq

as a catastrophe 20 years millions of

casualties and who's responsible like

it's a dod it's a state department it's

the israeli lobby that is a real

component of it that's not you know if

you point that out they say well you're

anti-semitic

but they want to go after like those

guys in michigan you know they just got

acquitted with the gretchen whitner plot

it's like these guys couldn't come up

with 400

to buy explosives from federal

informants

we're supposed to think they're the

number one threat to humankind and like

the workers or whatever and not the deep

state not not like the u.s pentagon the

military so that's why i think you guys

are so on the money and i'm like looking

for the opposition where it's like okay

maybe we don't agree maybe you're not

like a catholic integralist or whatever

but we both agree about who's killing

all the people you know who's the real

class enemy you know whatever you want

to call it who's the author of all the

pain in the world and it's not

it's not a live streamer streaming from

his parents home saying like at the

n-word sometimes

it's the power and i think that you guys

are fighting the power just like we are

you know

yeah uh you know destiny is actually a

good example of why is it that let's

just assume he's not a federal agent or

something why would a normal regular

person just like

for free shill for the establishment

you're not even getting paid you're just

out of some kind of ideal ideological

loyalty and you know the truth is it's

the media the media creates this image

of a wholesome world that people become

psychologically attached to and they

watch their marvel movies they consume

their [ __ ] they're on reddit they

play their video games and they develop

these emotional relationships to this

media they create right that like they

it it it addresses their personal

traumas it addresses their personal

story so they have this like deep

attachment to it right and then

you know that's the reason destiny is a

good example of that is that that guy

basically you know he started kind of

debating right-wing people on twitch one

day on you know out of a blue moon and

then all of a sudden the mainstream

media started writing puff pieces for

him and stuff right so like all of a

sudden he got this validation from the

mainstream media he's never gotten in

his life before so like just immediately

he has this relationship of dependency

on the media and that's why he's going

to show for the establishment it's not

because he's actually connected to the

you know the city of london and he's

bankers all that kind of [ __ ] it's

because he has a psychological

attachment in terms of his own

validation as a person

with the media and that's true for

pretty much everyone i mean these

redditors who are cheering on what's

going on in ukraine they've created this

fantasy of what's going on it's lord of

the rings the hobbits of ukraine

fighting the the orcs or whatever the

[ __ ] you know i mean they have a

psychological

you know attachment to this so

that's really i mean when you look at

people like me i mean i can't really

speak much for you i'm sure it's the

same in your case

it's just that we cause people pain we

just we're like we're poking a bubble in

their wholesome universe it makes them

so

butthurt right it's like

what

it's like they're blaming us for the

fact that they're wrong about the world

right yeah it is it's like a

socialization thing and like ultimately

i think at the end of the day that's

what it is because it is just it's far

easier to just peddle the sort of

fiction about so-called our democracy

and like human rights and to stand for

that is to stand before

most people's entire lives of

programming you know in the sense of

hang on i think i'm getting swatted

right now so let me uh

on that no let me i'm getting a call

from the police department so just give

let me mute myself you guys carry on

i'll probably be like 10 minutes

okay

this has been happening to them a lot

lately it's crazy

it's scary this happened to um

and on stream too so how are you haws

uh i'm pretty good i'm pretty good i

woke up a little late today so

it was a weekend i was worried i was

gonna miss it you know because

i got sleep you know i would cry

yeah we we literally moved our entire

inaugural stream all for uhas so does

this happen often this swatting thing or

it's kind of crazy it's happening to a

lot of the grapers lately um somebody's

been targeting them for sure

uh it's it's it's dangerous like it's

really dangerous for whoever i can't

tell what idea is scarier is it is the

government doing this or are there

actual human beings out there i think

there's human i think

i have my guesses on who it probably is

probably behind it because there's been

a lot of people targeting them lately

uh i wouldn't know for sure obviously

but it's just very odd that a certain

like competing channel has been

like their entire show is dedicated to

trash talking these particular people

and those particular people seem to be

getting swatted quite often so it's just

a little bit yeah

i don't know anything about that yeah

this is a new world for you

we got lots of gorillas in chat though

yeah yeah

you want to tell um people uh what the

gorillas mean because the for the people

that don't know you

yeah gorillas and sons it was kind of

you know when i back when i was at like

20 viewers and i was giving a speech

about how i was sick of

i was sick of communism being like this

[ __ ] [ __ ] i wanted like what happened

to communism with a capital c right and

then people in chat were spamming those

gorillas because i had earlier given an

analysis of king kong and it was like i

said something like king kong represents

our primordial humanity and it's defying

the deep state and it's like it's

defying the agenda of you know davos and

great reset whatever

and so it's kind of like a you know it's

primordial humanity you know so and then

the sun thing it was kind of like i was

talking like communism should be solar

it should be about strength should be

about you know the power and might of

the people it shouldn't be this kind of

you know eternal victimization and

whatever the [ __ ] you know leftists had

turned it into

so

ever since then it just caught on

automatically so gorillas and sons you

know it just kind of became a meme you

know um i know justin's been a big fan

of yours so i don't know if justin if

you want to ask him any questions while

we wait

no i've just been watching a lot of your

content i kind of sit in the shadows and

watch um but yeah you've read killed me

on a lot of stuff i was like a far

i guess like a far leftist and now i'm

more like a tanki i guess um oh nice

yeah

you and jack it's it's interesting

because it's like you know even the

tankies are the fight the divided and

our type of tanki is like very unique

you know me jackson and the cpi we kind

of are at odds with like the entire left

including the people that call

themselves tankies as well so you know

like justin i think that's you

wait are you muted

justin wait now it's gone was that todd

i think so yeah i was probably todd

all right god but he wasn't on here

earlier when he was doing it yeah i

think he was

maybe i don't know

sorry sorry about that

go

ahead yeah i mean you know uh there are

some

so-called tankies who just do it as like

it's kind of like a third worldest

identity politics thing and one of the

things that sets up us apart

is that we actually believe in an

american communism so we believe in an

american working class you know an

american kind of

like a socialism with american

characteristics you know as they would

say it so we're we're american populists

if you will right

and we don't have this thing where it's

like you know we we don't take the

anti-imperialism thing to the point

where we hate all of america itself and

you know we we understand there's a

difference between the american people

and you know the imperialist deep state

and all that kind of stuff because

whatever is colonizing the world out

there i mean it's colonizing the people

of this country too you know you can see

how the cities you know the coastal

cities are colonizing these flyover

states and you have that same kind of

contradiction

going on here

yeah it's kind of funny what we're

seeing witness what we're witnessing

with the the russian ukraine thing i

mean

people are are so they have so much

amnesia like they don't even remember

like the wmds of iraq and how that was

propagated and now like this whole

uh what they're doing with ukraine is

just like absurd and i think you and

jackson both like your analysis have

been spot on i i actually appreciate

watching it

well yeah i mean the ukraine thing

proves that everything they've been

saying is [ __ ] it's not about

ideology they've been talking about you

know all the the maga movement they're

all nazis they're all neo-nazis the

neo-nazis are the number one problem i

mean i'm sorry but those guys in ukraine

right you got actual neo-nazis real

neo-nazis the ones that are you know the

with the swastikas and stuff and and

suddenly it's not a problem anymore

because they're serving the agenda

of the deep state and the american

ruling class

so you know this this ideological

[ __ ]

you know that they've they've created

this narrative it's total [ __ ]

it's ultimately gonna lead to

u.s intervention i mean they're already

kind of intervening but i think we're

gonna end up sending troops over there

and well i hope not you know i mean it

is absolutely disgusting that americans

are being told

we have to pay higher gas prices we have

to pay more money for food for zilensky

right i mean what is this you know

it's ridiculous we have to sacrifice our

standard of living as americans and you

know what they're doing this ultimately

for right they're doing it because they

want us to get used to a very reduced

standard of living they want to

obviously have their green agenda their

so-called green agenda what they're

basically trying to do is take away all

of the wealth

that the american working class

currently has and turn us into slaves

basically they want us to be and they

want us to be in this gig economy where

we don't own anything and we're going to

be happy about it right so that's what

they're preparing us for and they're

blaming russia they're calling it

putin's price hike which is completely

you know yeah you know all the [ __ ]

they've accused the communists of which

is this double speak 1984 that's what

they're doing i mean what the [ __ ] is

putin's price hike right

uh the inflation started before the

conflict and then you know even if it

was because of

uh what's going on in ukraine that's

because we decided to sanction russia

and that doesn't serve the interests of

the people in this country it serves the

interests of these you know these global

engineers who have this agenda of of of

this world order they want to create

with them at the top and they're

basically using our country and our

people as a means to an end of that so

the thought that they want to send the

sons and daughters of the american

working class to go and fight this their

war and they're going to use them as

cannon fodder and use them as a

sacrifice basically it's absolutely you

know disgusting

yeah but that's exactly what it is it is

a sacrifice hey is my mic better yeah

yeah much better all right yeah and so i

start and i want to go back to this so

you guys are patriotic

uh yeah leftist or patriotic communist

or i don't want to miss uh you know

whatever your ideology is and that's

what i like so i i definitely would like

to talk to jackson and caleb in the

future too because we can definitely you

know i'm a nationalist so that that's my

ideology ultra nationalism so anyway but

um an isolationist so i don't want to be

involved in any of this [ __ ] either you

know i mean people come home messed up

from war like for 20 20 years what was

that package that was sent over ukraine

like 14 billion dollars oh my god well

which one like we have we have people in

america that can't even like

you know they're struggling to even eat

they served you know they served in the

military they're

veterans and they're you know they're

homeless like there's like there's just

so many problems in america that we

should be we should be addressing before

we start sending aid to

you know

all these all these different countries

like and i don't necessarily have a

problem with that like sending aid to

other countries but first let's get our

own house in order and then we can then

we can start you know helping out across

the world

yeah i mean you know you you we can't

seem to find money that that you know

benefits the people here but we always

find the money to you know also this

money is [ __ ] anyway because you

know they're just printing it right it's

not based on anything it's not backed by

anything and wow you know i don't know

i'm not a

guy who gives economic advice because i

don't know that much but we are in for

one of the biggest and we're talking

about why amer germany inflation crisis

you know in the coming years it's going

to get really ugly here right i mean

absolutely yeah the record had this

month eight and a half percent it's

crazy yeah it's insane and they're

already like coping about it saying oh

it's just because of putin and russia

and you know they're

you know it's getting scary because we

have a white house that

seems to be comfortable

making excuses for really serious

problems and i you know i joked about

this on stream i'm like let's say

there's a famine in this country i can

see jen saki get on on the white house

what are you gonna do about this family

she's like okay we're working on it uh

we're gonna be on at pronto and um we're

doing anything i can to work with our

partners in the private sector and you

know will relieve this famine i mean

like they'll make excuses for anything

right no no

they'll make it a plan to battle

childhood obesity see the famine was to

battle childhood obesity so we needed a

famine because you know it is you're

right it's like bizarro world clown

world

anyway every time she gets on the podium

absolutely

yeah yeah i mean

people thought the trump presidency was

ridiculous i mean this biden presidency

it's it's a we're we are the laughing

stock of the world it's an abs it's the

unprecedented level of incompetence

and sometimes i can't tell i'm i'm torn

i mean is it incompetence or is this all

part of the plan you know

are you okay

hi i'm back okay

uh yeah sorry about that it's just you

know this is what goes on on cozy

um

the cops are cool every time the cops

come over we're like they're like oh

you're a podcaster what's the name of

your podcast and i go let's call america

first like all right you like trump yeah

yeah

and uh

so yeah so that's fun

inconvenience but but has this is what

they're doing to us these are the

enemies of the people that are doing

this

yeah i mean um

that's wow you know i personally haven't

gotten that into the toxic yet but uh i

do have a fair share of very obsessive

very um [ __ ] up haters myself you know

so i understand that

yeah no but that's because you're doing

something right you know i saw you go

off about being uh

[ __ ] someone called you [ __ ]

and you were like my answers are killed

your ancestors that was based as [ __ ]

that was awesome

well

and you know here's the thing what you

said earlier was interesting to me you

said that you're not ideological which i

feel the same way like i feel like i

want the government to serve the people

and

you know it's really it's not about like

here's this we have this doctrine of

ideas and things it's like as far as

health care goes you have these like

people on the so-called right and they

say well we need like a market-based

solution because free markets means

political freedom and you know all this

crap and you got people on the left that

say well you know health care is a human

right and you that's like let's just

give the people health care like

whatever works like obviously we want

people to have health care it's

ridiculous right now i mean health care

is insane the way it works is way it is

way too expensive and you could blame

some of that on the government some of

that on i would say a lot of it's on the

government on administration and

medicare and all that but you're you

know regardless of that fact uh we want

people to have health care and that's

just like one example where the right to

their grave will be like no it has to be

a certain way

i don't care and i think that's where

putin

like you as a you know maybe more of a

marx has been to me with like a

definitely catholic bench we both look

at him and say well here is just a

leader here's an autocratic leader who

took his country and like you said

defended it from these hostile foreign

interests and and raised the standard of

living raised the uh gdp per capita

made russia truly sovereign and

autonomous and independent from the

global system and like literally who

would be opposed to that people say well

but it's not a liberal democracy who

cares you know it's like we're a liberal

democracy and everything sucks you know

europe is a liberal democracy and

everything sucks uh it doesn't actually

matter what the system is or the idea is

let's just have good outcomes i happen

to think autocracy is better what are

your thoughts on that do you support i

think that really you can have autocracy

or oligarchy i don't think there is a

democracy and i just think autocracy is

the way to go but what do you think

about that and the rest of it the thing

about democracy i like

is older i like the demos the people

aspect of democracy i think actually

russia's more democratic than here

because we have an oligarchy right the

way i see history is that you either

kind of have a popular leader like

julius caesar or putin or stalin

whatever you know or you have these

oligarchs these invisible oligarchy you

never have a society where it's just you

know you don't have a leader right you

either have one leader that represents

the people or you have an oligarchy that

represents

the ruling class right so to me

that's my view on that you know it's

interesting when it comes to that

ideology thing and importance of being

pragmatic is you know a lot of the

people who defend the free market

and i'm kind of i sympathize a little

bit right but that ends up

where they go first full circle and ends

up having them defend monopolies that

exist right now right so the way i the

way i see it is that to me you know uh

being against capitalism is also about

being against the government bureaucracy

the red tape the incompetence you know

the overreach of the government which

collaborates with these monopolies uh in

order to secure the profits of the

ruling class right so that's how i see

that that whole thing yeah no i i think

i think that's really

the meaningful alliance is just

let's just talk about interest-based

politics and like even from a right-wing

perspective

like the criticism from the left is well

he's this ideological racist or he's

this ideological anti-semite and like

here's here's the thing as far as like

you know jewish influence goes or jewish

power you know i have my feelings about

that but i don't i don't like wake up

every day and say like my world view is

about like jewishness or something it's

just that you recognize certain facts

about the way the groups are and you

know and you have to as a society

figure out how to have good outcomes for

the society i don't wake up and say well

i have this ideological conviction about

race or whatever it's like you know look

the races are what they are there's

divergences okay there's disparities and

if we want to have a society that is

cohesive and we want to have a society

where

there's a high standard of living we

have to take these things into account

and i just don't know like where the

resistance comes from that because i

feel like there are you know people that

might be more left-wing where there

would be a lot of agreement except for

they're hung up on this like it's almost

like they have an ideological resentment

towards white people or whiteness like

the way that i see it the sort of

trumpian expression of whiteness i don't

see that as much different than the sort

of you know black power type stuff i

don't see that as much different than

like the la raza stuff it's like let

people sort of express their their

ethnic pride their you know indigenous

pride whatever it is uh but but for some

reason left-wing people say like well

we'll do that for all these other guys

but when white people do it it's this

like special category it's white

supremacy

which has a long history and this and

that and i think it's really more

like this is just the history of the

world the world is a messy place with

lots of peoples and complex histories

and uh you know we're all going to try

and fit into america and under no

illusions about the fact that america is

no longer a completely white nation and

i don't think that's on the horizon in

the future so it's really just a

question of how are we going to get a

regime and how are we going to get

policies where there's not ethnic

conflict how are we going to get a

regime in policies where there's a

rising standard of living and cohesion

and you know like russia is a

multi-cultural multi-ethnic society you

know and i i don't look at that and say

well it's horrible it needs to be purged

it works it figured it out it works and

they've got the largest muslim

population in europe i think in absolute

terms

not not in proportion

because i think france has a similar

proportion but they've got totters

they've got chechens they've got you

know all kinds of people and somehow it

all just works and there's not race

riots and there's not i mean there's

always going to be some degree of ethnic

conflict but it's not it's not an

unacceptable level and we have to

recognize that america similarly is now

something similar it's becoming this

multicultural empire and we and there

was maybe a generation in this dissident

right space that sort of rejected that i

thought that was sort of just denial

it's just denialism it is the way that

it is we now have to govern america like

an empire we just now have to govern

america the way that it is can we arrest

some of these trends yeah i think we

should shut down immigration um

and i think that you know we shouldn't

have this anti-white discrimination but

uh you know i think fundamentally people

can just be on the same page about you

know i'm not one of these people wants

to fundamentally transform the society i

just want the society to work i want the

government to be part of the solution i

want it to be competent i think we all

really want the same things but it's

it's all this uh you know cia spook type

[ __ ] that gets in the way all this

capital is what all this nonsense that

gets in the way of let's have a regime

that does what must be done let's have

an american caesar that just simply does

what must be done what we all know has

to be done you know

yeah i mean um you know it's interesting

with that race thing a lot of people

don't pay attention to this but

most of that is not even about race it's

about the urban rural divide right

because you know the majority of these

leftists actually do happen to be white

i mean that's just an undeniable fact

and they're using the race card in order

to

um

beat down the rural white working class

which they kind of have power over right

they don't want the the middle america

to rise up because they don't like the

fact that middle america you know

they're not politically correct they're

more vulnerable it's every kind of

prejudice every single ruling class has

ever had about you know the masses in

history right and you know it's

interesting you mentioned how russia is

also a kind of multicultural society i

that's really a bad term

i agree

yeah for lack of a better word yeah the

issue really comes down to

the fact that liberal universalism is

not compatible with civilization right

in a civilization

you can have multiple groups co-exist

you just hat you under you but it's

about recognition you recognize that

this group has specific interests it has

specific character has specific whatever

and you take all those things into

account and the ability for those groups

to come to an understanding like they do

in russia right that is what a

civilization is in my view but the thing

is is that it's so ironic that the left

in the united states

has this liberal universalist view right

where it's like they just assume that

everyone is totally the same and there's

no you know there's no differences

between the groups that exist culturally

or whatever in the united states

uh when that was the communist policy

the communist policy was drawing from

joseph stalin's work the national

question where you take into account all

the different interests of these

national groups within your

supranational empire your kind of

civilization right the soviet union or

today's china

and that is how the communists have

always approached that that national

question right it's just that we have a

synthetic left in america and parts of

europe that took over recently which is

completely kind of erased that more

pragmatic realistic view right i'm not

obviously i'm not dog whistling about

race realism or in case i get uh taken

out of context i'm just talking about a

one that reflects actual reality right

and you know the thing the thing i'm

noticing too

as a kind of final thing is that as an

american communist we americans don't

have a civilization yet i wanna i want

us to build a real american

civilization right and my admiration for

the communist project actually comes

from the fact that these people revived

you know these civilizations from that

had lasted you know hundreds or even

thousands of years russia china these

are all very old multi-ethnic

civilizations

and i think we can learn from that here

in the united states and we're starting

to notice a trend where you know they

can't pull this race card [ __ ] and when

you look at you know black americans

latino americans whatever they're

they're all starting to become more

um

based basically right they're not

they're turning away from the woke

liberal agenda and we increasingly

seeing this thing where they can't

really

you know race has always been used by

urban white people as a weapon against

rural white people right and they can't

do that anymore so

all of the based forces in america i

think are gonna come together and we'll

recognize our differences but you know

we're not going to be used as proxies

for this for this conflict of the ruling

class

that's true yeah it's these urban whites

is that we're calling them now haas

are we cause out this avenue it's these

urban white people the eternal

urban college educated you know yeah i

mean that's yeah

they feel at home everywhere and nowhere

no that's not what that no i have

chimney hearts yeah yeah i know i'm

giving out

no no you're absolutely right and that

that's well said you're right because

russia you're right multiculturalism is

uh part of liberal internationalism and

and i think that's actually extremely

well put that it is incompatible with

civilization and i always talk about

this on my show people say

you know you're an ethno nationalist you

want a whites only country and i say

look at the countries that that i admire

russia and china you know some say it's

the chai comms and they say putin's a

fascist and all this uh but russia and

china it's not multicultural maybe a

better word is multi-ethnic or

multi-racial in the sense that they have

you know large ethnic groups living

within the border and governed by the

same government and you know yet somehow

it works and in china you've really got

the han chinese core and then you've got

the four peripheral states of tibetans

the

manchurians the mongols the uh the

uyghurs in russia you've got the ethnic

russian core in the west and the major

cities and then you've got these other

polities but we think of russia we don't

necessarily think of chechens although

chechens think of themselves as russians

we know what we think of we think of

russians and same thing with chinese we

think of chinese we don't necessarily

think of manchurians or uyghurs or

tibetans we think of the han chinese and

i think that

you know so like you said a civilization

can have pizza groups of people living

together in harmony maybe separately or

mixed in or something like that there

can be harmony but you're right it is a

sort of project of imposing liberalism

on everybody sort of stripping them away

of their ethnic characters stripping

them away of their local indigenous

character and this this

and and why and for what this push to

just integrate everybody smash them all

together like atoms and the cities and

you know for what i think you're right

ultimately the project serves the

capitalist class i think it's to make

better workers make a more governable

population prevent any kind of national

solidarity which you can have between

ethnicities you know russia has national

solidarity despite having muslims and

orthodox and

you know again chechens and and ethnic

russians and so on you can have a

national solidarity but not when you're

trying to you know basically rape all

the different groups of people with this

kind of like corporate uh you know

uniform type culture i i completely

agree with that and um you know and it's

funny that it's it really does seem to

be that this liberal internationalist

parasitic ideology which is ruining

these societies like and that's where i

come from a lot of these uh

you know conservatives attack me and

they go you know well communism is the

number one threat it's these chai comes

or it's whatever and it's like no the

number one menace to the world is the

liberal ideology promulgated by the west

it is being propagated in the embassies

it is being promulgated in the

consulates of the us state department it

is being enforced by the us military it

is being upheld by the international

so-called rules-based system created by

the united states after world war ii in

the cold war you know the un the imf the

world bank that that is what is wrecking

the world that is what was wrecking

afghanistan that's what's wrecking

eastern europe that's what's wrecking

everything and in its wake you know they

say well it's these autocracies on the

rise erdogan assad putin xi jinping it's

like no that's the reassertion of

civilization that's the reassertion of

sovereignty of national identity of of

these sort of autocratic leaders

asserting independence from the

oligarchs

i support that i don't think it's even

really an it's not an ideological

statement to support that it's if

anything it's the negation that's that's

what i always say people say you're a

russia shill you're a china shell i

don't necessarily support china in

itself i have no kinship with russia

i support china in so far is as it is

not the united states and so far as it

is not liberal international and same

with russia and same with the taliban i

don't i don't love the taliban i don't

live in the afghanistan i don't i don't

know if i agree with chopping off hands

and all that but

i'm not afghan i it's not my place to

say what their government should be it's

not the us military pushing all this

woke you know women have to vote why

why do we get to say that so

and that's where i think there's a broad

uh there's a broad potential for

consensus i think between people you

know sort of these unassuming

unexpecting allies uh like people coming

from a marxist position or from a

reactionary position

yeah you know um and you know that is

the american way from the fount the

start and we were not supposed to

interfere with the political business of

all these other i mean the founding

fathers they said this directly right

and it was only really until our country

got hijacked by the british empire again

right and this is especially after world

war ii where we started to have this

view where like we're going to have a

unipolar american system where we're

going to impose our ideology on the

whole world but you know it's not really

ours because it's only serves the ruling

class and that brings me to the point is

that you know

multi-polarity which is you know what's

what we're talking about here that

there's these new poles emerging we also

need to have an american polarity right

we need to have an american kind of way

right and

i think that's what separates me from

most other kind of tankies who are you

know pro-russia pro-china is that i

actually don't just think

we should just cheer on russia and china

right we also have to build something

here

and we have to assert america's

sovereignty

you know against this kind of deep state

and against this kind of um you know

more global agenda that they have right

for a unipolar world so there has to be

an american civilization there has to be

an american specific american polarity

with its own you know characteristics

yeah that's where we come in that's

where america first comes in because we

come in and we say let's have

let's have a truly sovereign like that's

michelle malkin that's her show her

show's called sovereign nation and it's

about restoring sovereignty true

sovereignty to america because and

that's actually a really profound

statement because you're right america

like the other nations is enslaved it's

been hijacked and it's almost it's being

used because

the power of the american regime comes

from the economy of the american nation

and the economy is the people you know

there and maybe there's like a marxian

analysis they're sort of stealing the

productive potential of the american

country its resources its workers its

capital

and they're using that to build their

military their mercenary army and

they're sending that mercenary army and

its navy and the air force around the

world to enforce their ideology and so

it's literally like a brain

parasite attaching itself to the country

and so you're right and and

i think that's a very important

distinction because the criticism uh

that that i hear sometimes from people

on the right wing side is they say well

you know you're devolving into third

worldism and you're championing these

other countries at the expense of the

american cause and you know we

there there's a fine line between hating

your country and sort of hating the

regime and i think you're right that's

actually a very important thing is not

not just liberation for so-called

palestine or liberation for russia but

liberation for america liberate america

from d.c have a government that

harnesses the productive capacities of

the american land and the american

people in the interest of the americans

and not in a way not not for liberalism

not for capitalism not for whatever but

for the people and we're a rich nation

why don't we have health care like yeah

that's a great question we're a very

rich nation uh why don't we have a high

standard of living why don't we have

bullet trains why don't we have like you

go to these other countries they have

nicer things than us and they're not as

wealthy as we are and that's just

because they're they're under better

management they're under sovereign

management uh you know whether it be

russia or china or whoever and what

we're doing is we're taking all this

wealth and it's it's being funneled into

the the capitalists it's being funneled

into these these global projects so so

that's a very good point it's very

important statement

yeah i mean you've seen what this ruling

class has done to the economy of this

country they've de-industrialized us

they've they're trying to diminish our

productive capacities actually because

they don't believe in an economy that's

based on real things or real labor or

real hard physical stuff they believe in

an economy that's based on financial

abstractions and derivatives and then on

the other hand tech you know whatever

that [ __ ] means so

um

you know part of this is also about

reindustrializing america it's also

about bringing the factories back

bringing back our manufacturing capacity

our productive capacity building

infrastructure building trains you know

building fusion energy you know um

and that's kind of where what what i

admire so much about china is its

developmentalist economy right and the

way i see it is that when i talk when i

praise china i praise russia i want to

draw all these positives and learn from

them so that we can give the sovereignty

economic sovereignty back to the

american people which was also robbed of

us i mean america is not really a

sovereign economic power i mean to have

sovereignty it has to actually be

grounded in these definite industries

which serve the people of that country

right we are ruled by the city of london

we are ruled by you know financial

institutions blackrock and hedge funds

and banks and all this kind of [ __ ] so

to me there's also that battle you know

you go you talk about duke and he talks

about the the land power versus the sea

power right the same thing with that is

also that kind of you know industry

versus finance right and it's kind of

the same thing we're talking about

absolutely well that that's why it's

been so uh incredible to watch putin and

the this uh sanctions regime that we put

up against them and of course it doesn't

work because russia has real things you

know

we're gonna ban your banks from doing

business with the world and uh well

guess what they make oil they make

natural gas they they grow food like

they make things so so our conception of

economy is so wrong well their gdp will

contract by 10

okay well they have oil and they have

gas and they have the things that a

society needs europe does not europe

does not produce natural gas europe does

not produce the petroleum products they

need they do not produce the wheat and

the corn and the grain that they need

and that's why you know yeah russia will

have a diminished gdp their economy will

contract or whatever on paper but europe

is going to be cold during the winter

there will be cold and they'll be hungry

and they'll have to ride their bikes to

work because they don't make things and

and that's so true how can you say that

you're an independent sovereign nation

when you don't make the things you need

you know like if i

if i have to go to the store to buy food

well i'm completely dependent on the

store and so in some sense i'm kind of

and it's not a perfect comparison

because you have scale obviously and

it's not you know you have the fallacy

of composition but i'm dependent on

someone else so i can't that that

relationship then is very vital to my

survival in a real tangible sense uh

it's also true what you said about the

the land versus the naval power and

that's a big part of

maybe it was inevitable that america

would become this way like the united

kingdom you know some people say it's

this anglo thing it's this

individualistic thing but the uk is an

island you know in the united states is

in a sense was an island because it was

bounded by two oceans and so was a naval

power and dependent on trade although it

wasn't always that way some some would

say the civil war is a big part of why

we are the way we are because the north

triumphed over the you know the agrarian

south uh but it's true develop the land

develop the industry make things again

that was a big part of the trump agenda

was you know buy american hire american

reindustrialized i don't know if that

was really achieved but that that is a

big part of it as well how how can we

say that we're sovereign when we're so

dependent on international trade and

when we buy all of our manufactured

industrial things from the third world

from india china malaysia

what are your thoughts on trump did you

support trump or what i'm curious what

your thoughts are on him so you know i

believe in having an independent working

class party right so obviously i didn't

vote for public and i've never voted in

my whole life but let's just say it was

very exciting when trump won we were

looking at that with a lot of

you know um excitement and curiosity

about to see what happened

but you know although

i sympathize heavily with the maga

movement i have to say trump it was very

disappointing you know how that turned

out you know he he kind of was still in

bed with the republican establishment he

had those people pompeo and bolton and

you know they had their kind of agenda

and the whole thing about you know

with uh the middle east and stuff so to

me i mean

i think the maga movement i think is

definitely going to have a place in a

future populist movement here in the us

but um

yeah i've never voted in my whole life

i'm not registered to vote i don't care

about voting but um

you know it's obviously i sympathize

with trump way more than you know the

rest and obviously probably the best

people in congress right now

because you know i i tend to focus on

geopolitics the most because geopolitics

is a proxy for our ruling class you know

people like uh

what's her name taylor green

oh yeah yeah margie

yeah people like her they're pro they're

like the most promising people in

congress right now and she's obviously

part of that maga movement as opposed to

the establishment republicans so i mean

this is something i talk with jackson a

lot i mean is the future going to be a

third party is it going to come out of

the republic i mean we we're still kind

of working that out figuring out what

that's going to be but yeah we're very

pragmatic not really too um

ideological but you know when it comes

to america right i think this country

has always been

an unfinished project but 1776 to me was

the beginning right it wasn't the end of

everything was

the beginning right we have to build on

that more because this country still had

a lot of influence from that british

empire which we kicked out you know and

that's also responsible for why we

became a naval power despite being such

a big kind of land mass right and not a

small island and on canada has also

played a big part in that obviously

canada has been used by the british for

a very long time to uh you know

influence and sabotage our country

and um

to me though i think we we do need to

keep in mind right i'm kind of hopping

from one thing to another but

the agenda that they have for us when it

comes to de-industrialization making all

of our standard of living poor the kind

of so-called green agenda it's basically

like these monopolies that are in power

right now

they want to stay on top they want to

prevent anyone from being able to get

wealth to be able to challenge them

right and ultimately what that involves

in is an agenda that ultimately is going

to be depopulation de-growth

de-industrialization

and it's all to be able to maintain

their position on the top so you know

you look at why you know why we have

this inflation crisis why after kova did

all this should happen i mean it's all

to me it's part very

clearly part of an agenda you know

you'll own nothing and you'll be happy

you know in the words of klaus schwab

yeah absolutely i think that's so based

uh i agree with you i mean i don't think

you'll find many true believers in the

trump revolution that weren't

disappointed by the uh the fact that he

was sort of

uh what's the word sort of acclimated

assimilated into the establishment

we have this sort of expression i heard

this from someone that worked in the

white house he told me that you know

trump ran as an independent in 16 he ran

as a republican in 2020 and i thought

that's such a succinct way to put that

and that kind of summarizes the

transformation that occurred it's just

night and day because in 16 he was

saying things like you know the world

trade center came down under your

brother's reign

that was awesome i was like let's go and

then in 2020 it's like socialism

whatever and it's like what the [ __ ] i

don't care about socialism i care about

globalism and you know liberalism and

all that uh and and i agree but i think

i think that

like you said it's gonna be part of it

but i truly believe that magga was just

the first step i think that was the

opening salvo that was the first shot

and it was necessary it's a necessary

first step

because it changed the conversation it

and it was such this like black swan

sort of event because no one could have

predicted this was supposed to be jeb

bush or rubio or ted cruz were the front

runners and then he got this guy who

comes out of nowhere with this totally

unique style totally idiosyncratic

saying like globalism and with the same

francis type ideology was totally and he

was never going to be the guy in my

opinion that delivered the final victory

and i don't even think it would have

been

possible in terms of time and personnel

uh we knew from the start what was going

to happen he was going to get in there

and the

recalculate system would sort of you

know they would reform and launch a

counter-attack and that's exactly what

they did over the past four years they

did the subversion but they also did

this attack from the from outside um and

but that's not a black pill a lot of

people take that and they say oh it's

over trump lost a chance you know

whatever but it's like no no don't don't

be s don't be upset that it that

whatever smile that had happened it

happened and now there is a future and

it's sort of like this big boom and it's

sending all this material out there and

we can ride that wave and take advantage

of it and and take it to the next level

you know and that's really been the

project of america first my show started

a week after the inauguration and i took

that and said okay well that that was

sort of phase one now let's look at the

next 100 years i also think it's

important

and you're so right about how 1776 was

the starting point because i see this on

the left and the right a lot of people

are sort of ready to abandon america and

people blame like america for the

problems it's not america never was the

founding was based the americans are

based the country is based it's these

it's this [ __ ] subversion that's gone

on which is wrong and it's sort of like

attacking your body instead of attacking

the cancer the body's not the problem

the cancer is the problem and i think a

big part of what is going to animate the

movement the character of the movement

is going to be an american

patriotic sort of nationalistic fervor

and let's not discard the founders let's

not discard our glorious past our

heritage our heroes that's going to be a

part of it but it's about

it's about restoring it because the

problem is so much of it you can

understand why people i think make that

mistake it's because so much of it has

been bastardized you know the mont

pellerin institute and these

libertarians they make it out like

thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton

were like ayn rand and you know like the

founding fathers were these libertarians

and and that's so not what it was about

when you go back and read hamilton in

particular it's completely different our

mythology we have to revive and we need

to tell the truth about it

and i think then you can fashion a

movement where it's um

it's truly american in character it's

not ideological it's not third worldlist

it's sort of like a truly an american

independence movement uh so i i think

that's another very salient point and uh

that is where i think i would draw the

line against there's a lot of i know

there's a lot of elements in the left

obviously that are anti-american and all

that there's also a lot of that on the

right that say like america's done

america's gonna break up we gotta move

on and it's like no i'm not ready to

give up america we're to rule america

from the pacific to the atlantic from

the rio grande the whatever the parallel

is in washington we want the whole

country and and i agree we want to make

a high civilization out of america

because you're right america is a young

country and and you could say that it

lacks culture in some sense you could

say that it lacks the sort of

cohesion that the europeans have these

like thousand-year-old civilizations we

want to fight for a real america and i

also don't think i don't have this low

definition of america like it's about

it's about goods and it's rooting it's

tootiness like i don't i think there's

more to america than that i look at like

new york city in like the industrial era

i look at like la in the 50s i see a

real high civilization in america you

look at like gershwin and you look at

the canon of american literature and

it's you know in some sense it doesn't

really compare to some of the european

stuff but there's a foundation there to

build upon you like the

transcendentalist the natural type stuff

like there's something there and there's

more to it than [ __ ] kid rock and no

offense i know it might come across like

classist or like anti-white but

seriously i i don't like kid rocks sorry

because glenn miller not kid rock we

want glenn miller and benny goodman not

[ __ ] kid rock okay so i agree with

you that's a very important thing as

well

yeah i mean you know i'm glad you

mentioned transit we have such a rich

literary intellectual and philosophical

tradition i mean you look at authors

like jack london you know you look at

steinbeck you look at these people you

know i mean this is what we should be

teaching our kids in schools by the way

we're teaching a bunch of [ __ ]

[ __ ] and meanwhile we have this

authentically american you know literary

canon i mean i don't want to get

sidetracked but you know also

back to trump um that's actually what i

was going to say is that you know as

someone who's very aware of the history

of anti-establishment movements in this

country i mean dating from the farmers

alliance the populist party you know all

the way up to i don't know

ross perot and then you had ron paul

right which was something people forget

but you know ron paul was a you know

that was like the biggest threat to the

the government for a long time you know

for the 2000s and the 90s in my view i

mean it was a real movement right

um i have to say i mean

trump

that was a treat i i feel like that that

was just a treat we're not probably not

gonna get that for a long time you know

it was just a fluke a one-off where the

establishment got caught with their

pants down we had four years of

you know just

but also it uh more optimistically i

mean it was irreversible it changed

american politics forever i mean you

can't go back to normal i mean they're

trying to the so-called adults are back

in the room i mean [ __ ] biden i think

he's a little too much of an adult if

you ask me i mean

maybe pushing about you know maybe 10 or

20 years too you know adult

but um

you know it's just uh

i think

here's here's the conclusion i draw from

trump right

you go again to china or russia or

literally any other country in the world

with that has sovereignty right

has a patriotic sovereign population

and they love trump they thought trump

was great i mean they they thought he

was funny but they were like we prefer i

mean africans love trump i don't know a

lot of people don't know that i think

trump is a huge racist and if you go to

africa

those people really liked trump i mean

they liked him better than anyone else

they liked him better than obama they

liked him better than you know any biden

obviously and i think the reason for

that is because

trump brought back a kind of post or

non-liberal politics

that's based in interest right for him

it was american interest right i mean

i'm a communist so for me it's the

working-class interest right

also american but yeah the work so

you have this liberal universalism where

you just have this idea where it's like

oh we have a liberal democracy and you

know the president is is just supposed

there's no there's no class conflict

going on there's no conflict at all

underlying conflict it's all just you

know

a liberal democracy where it's about you

know making sure that the mainstream

media and whatever have all the freedoms

and the

wall street has the ability to do

whatever it wants and we call that the

free market

even though they're monopoly capitalists

and there's no free market whatsoever

um

so that's i mean that's why trump was so

significant yeah that's not reversible

but to be completely honest with you as

far as where to go forward from here

i think it's kind of a tough question

you know

um i know the republicans are going to

clean house in 2022 with the midterms

right but

is that going to be the maga republicans

i don't think those republicans are

loyal right that republican

establishment so it's a big question you

know

yeah they're trash i mean it's believe

me we're trying to get involved in the

midterms and all the good guys are

[ __ ] and drop out okay i mean we've

had like i try to get behind a couple

guys and they like dropped out and like

i mean we're still supporting the ones

that came to our conference and

everything but uh yeah and the problem

is trump

is now being instrumentalized by the

establishment and and everything that he

earned the credibility he earned with

the people the well-deserved popular

support for being their voice and

everything

he's now being just used as a mascot for

the establishment ferrata mcdaniel and

kevin mccarthy he's selling his

endorsements i mean like there's a court

of people that surround him and they

literally sell his endorsement people

pay these courtiers to go to mar-a-lago

and then trump will give an endorsement

and then this person you know whoever it

is gets paid and so they're endorsing

all these garbage rhinos they're

endorsing all these garbage

establishment types and they keep

talking about

making kevin mccarthy the speaker of the

house making kevin mccarthy the speaker

of the house is immaterial to me you

know i mean making trump the president

is a big deal making kevin mccarthy the

speaker of the house yeah yawn it makes

no difference pelosi mccarthy mcconnell

schumer i didn't sign up for that like

you said i'm not voting for that [ __ ] i

stopped voting after i voted for trump

that was it i told people to stay home

you know they said go and vote in the

georgia senate runoff i said stay home

stop voting like the this is not i vote

for trump i vote for revolution i do not

vote for

republicans and not vote for you know

fighting socialism or whatever um and

you're right and to me the biggest

question i like i have been using this

to borrow a phrase from joseph stalin

the question is who will conquer who

will the revolution conquer the system

or will the system conquer the

revolution and we really run this risk

where

you're seeing the language of the

revolution and

even some of the people they're being

conquered by the capitalists and these

billionaires are are buying their way

into the populist movement and that's

where you get a guy like joe kent who's

up there in washington state and he's

running and he's the favorite of peter

thiel and some of these other guys and

he's using this sort of like he's

talking about so-called inclusive

populism and all this kind of stuff

but he's being funded by billionaires

he's being funded by these guys and it's

the same thing that happened with the

ron paul revolution ron paul revolution

became young americans for liberty and

young americans for liberty is now the

arm of like the libertarians and they

have cato speakers and again they they

were co-opted and the tea party was

co-opted all these movements get bought

out and

the trump movement cannot have the same

thing happen that's what i've always

said my job is the guarantor of the

trump revolution i want to be the

vanguard of the trump revolution and say

no you're not going to touch this the

gay republicans are not going to touch

this this is unique this is different it

is controversial it should offend it

should provoke it shouldn't be about

so-called industrial policy or common

good originalism or whatever it is um

like some think tank is going to come up

with some some indian at some think tank

with a robust of teddy roosevelt and a

podcast paid for by billionaires is

going to come up with it has to maintain

its its based character

and by based i don't mean necessarily

like racist i don't mean it's like

republican i don't mean it's like pro

second amendment by based it means like

not puppeted it's not controlled it's

like it's the vernacular language of the

people it speaks the language of the

people that's what based means it's like

the way that the street people talk it's

like the street truth and it has to

maintain that character of baseness and

not be transformed into like

not not be like pr

manipulated by a pr firm or some

consultant agency or some think tank and

do like another political product uh to

sell to the capitalist to sell to the

donors so in my opinion the path forward

is for

people like you to coalesce behind

america first we have to embrace it the

future is fusionism okay but not

fusionism between like uh jewish neocons

and like uh jewish libertarians their

future is a fusion between

hardcore

uh communist stalinists and hardcore

nationals no not nationals but hardcore

nationalist america first trump loving

uh white patriots christians to me

that's the fusion is catholics

catholic nationalist types sort of

bernie bro based guys that get it that's

a real alliance that's the alliance that

will dominate the world i have a

question you know in in in the meantime

i wonder right with trump

i think the the thing that i'm

interested the most right now is can the

first amendment be sustained on big tech

and i kind of feel like i don't really

care who wins elections anymore i just

whoever is willing to

defend the first amendment on big tech

i think i would i mean i don't know how

much i can do but i just hope they win

right

and because i think

so we have a special interest you know

we're communist rights we want an

independent working-class party

right

uh we want a party that's an interest

group for the american working class a

tribune of the people right

and it doesn't have to be the only one

but we just want that to exist right

because that doesn't exist i mean the

capitalists have their own class i mean

they have their own party they have two

of them right so we want a working-class

party

and

that's hard when you don't have the

first amendment i mean social media is

how you spread the message it's how you

build anything so to me it doesn't

matter where you are if you're an

anti-establishment person

interested in upsetting the status quo

you should be behind anyone who can

um

who can restore the first amendment to

the public square right because you know

as much as i critique liberal democracy

we do have a fake liberal democracy

right and those founding principles of

our country and the constitution and

whatever

i mean that gives us some rights and

liberties that i think

are good right and we're witnessing kind

of how we are becoming no longer a

liberal democracy but not in a based way

where it's like russia with putin it's

like we have this oligarchic control of

this new financial wall street

dictatorship this black rock

dictatorship where our civil liberties

are being curtailed like never before

being censored left and right on the

internet

um and then americans are being called

domestic terrorists right

which is unprecedented

it's uh because of the january 6 nothing

burger right so um

i think it's pretty dangerous right and

you know

i definitely think

the foundations of this state american

state are going to be shaken and tested

uh the next two years you know i mean

whether that's a civil who knows right

it's true well and you're right about

that the medium of communication is

critical it's i don't think it's any

coincidence that the domination of the

deep state coincides with the advent of

mass media you know because it's so

critical for these revolutions it's the

it's the paper you know it's people

printing pamphlets and salons and things

like that and once you get mass media

you get the centralization of where

people get their information and you

know in the past uh it was television

and radio and now it's the internet and

when everyone gets their information

from facebook and determined by an

algorithm and it's controlled by

censorship

you have this total information control

and so all anyone's reading is regime

media and i think what gave us trump was

social media because for the first time

you had this environment where there was

this adoption of a medium that was

uncontrolled which is twitter and

youtube and all that and they were able

to read really a truly revolutionary

message and that's why that was the

first thing to go you know the next day

they get on the meeting and they say

this could never be allowed to happen

again and then the censorship regime

began and it reached this sort of apogee

at the time with the election fraud and

they said we're going to ban any claim

of election fraud any cover

disinformation outright just like

editorial like explicit like regime

censorship whatever you think about it

but they said like we're just going to

censor particular topics for the purpose

of like national security or whatever

for the purpose of domestic stability

and uh and you're right there will be no

revolution without that medium without

without a mass media

that we can utilize and the unlike in

the old days it's centralized and people

are just not because of the existence of

that it's sort of like cars you know

once there's a car uh cities are

designed with the car in mind and

there's only roads so it's one of these

like technologies where it has this

effect that it totalizes

everything must submit to the automobile

so once the car comes around

everything's got to be on roads and so

now there's just no more walking you

cannot own a car but you can't walk

anywhere you know because the now

everything's far apart and in the same

way now that you've got social media

nobody's reading nobody's going to read

your pamphlet nobody's going to read the

other forms of media and so it's like

it's it's uh it's absorbing everybody's

eyeballs it's absorbing all the

communication and then they've got a

monopoly on it so i agree i mean that is

that remains the most critical issue for

for any opponent of the regime no matter

what the flavor is i mean i think that's

uh yeah that's right