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What's going on, guys?

What's going on?

What's going on?

What's going on, everybody? We have a Confront the chairman space that we're going to be doing tonight

I have not gone a lot of sleep but that's okay tonight.

I have not gotten a lot of sleep, but that's okay because I'm running on caffeine.

My heart is racing.

My heart is pumping.

We're ready to have a confront the chairman space where we're just going to talk to a lot of retarded people, to be honest.

But we do it every week. We commit to it. And actually, hopefully we actually get some worthwhile worthwhile enemies okay so we will begin uh i have blue stacks open already and eddie's going to be hosting it actually but i think i have

some things to talk about i've been cooking not hyping anything up i'm just letting you know

something's been cooking and i cannot wait to share that with you guys and also i i i actually

have all right so i have to make this announcement really quick uh this is not related to the cooking thing

if you are a reddeter and you're in the party and you have experience you have experience

managing reddits and you know the lay of Reddit and you understand things like that.

Please message Kyle or me or anyone in the E.B. immediately or Eddie.

Or the PB for that matter.

Just message one of us and I don't want to...

Don't do it if you're just like someone who has big ideas.

If you actually understand how it works, if you know how to if you have already

a large presence that's even better

of any kind

but let us know please

just tell us okay

so yes

that's making that announcement.

Step forward, Redditors.

I don't know if there's Redditors in the party, but evidently, Reddit is definitely a very big thing. almost unavoidable kind of thing, you know?

So let's get right into the confronted chairman space.

Let's just get right into it.

I'm sure Eddie has already started it.

He is not.

Let me ask him to start it.

Oh boy. oh boy

we have some

birthday announcements but I don't know if I should

announce them

I don't know if I can

so yeah I'll keep you updated on that.

And we can...

We're live, good.

Eddie, Eddie recently had a birthday.

Is that, I can say that, right?

Recent is very vague.

Very vague.

Oh, so you guys know, it's Kyle's birthday.

You guys know.

Okay, who told you?

All right.

Uh, I'm in the space.

How you doing, Yankee? What's up, Yankee?

Now, I don't know if you guys know this, but, uh, Joey, he has been outstanding from what I'm hearing. He's been outstanding.

And, um, I'm so proud of Joey. I'm so proud of the progress he's made. And, um, I've heard very good things about what he's been doing.

All right, we're here in the space, and we are hopefully going to have a good, confront

the chairman's space, a productive one.

A lot of the time, people who join the space tend to be a little lost, where they just kind of join and they go, I don't know why

I'm here, but what do you think about, what do you think about Alpha Centurie and the possibility of life on Alpha Centurie?

So basically there's a lot of stupid gibberers we get.

Just people who like to talk.

I am not one of the people that like to talk. I actually despise speech. I hate speaking.

As a matter of fact, if I could be silent for the rest of my life, that would be wonderful.

I don't enjoy speaking at all. But I do it anyway as a total selfless sacrifice.

I do it selflessly.

And I kind of envy RFK because the way he talks, it's very, doesn't take a lot of effort.

I could talk like RFK

for a long time actually

because it's literally, it's not draining

at all. There's no energy that goes

into it. And basically

you know, it's just really,

oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I was supposed to be professional.

My bad guys.

Let's bring on the the haters let's bring on the

confrontations let's bring on

the people that hate me and I don't know them but bring them anyway

because of how generous I am.

Eddie, is there anyone requesting

so far?

We just started the space.

Not yet.

That's okay, because

apparently I have people, okay, so i'm looking in the space as content star side i'm

deleting this shit again nothing for the actual space it's just some shit you want me to see

and you want me to comment and you want me

to comment on it but it has it's not actually

someone sending something

to the confronted chairman space

it's some stupid fucking Twitter discourse

nonsense that has nothing to do

with this space so again

it's profound incompetence.

Profound incompetent.

Although StarSide makes very good content,

makes very, very excellent, good content.

I literally went on a rant complaining about this last week.

I don't know why this is still happening.

But we spread the word, guys, make sure all the haters and all the detractors get in here.

If you have time to commit hating and attacking our party, you should have some time to

commit to directly confront me.

And by extension, you're not just confronting me.

You're confronting this entire party.

You're confronting this entire movement.

Well, not the entire party, because not everyone tunes into these.

But you're at least confronting all of infrared and a lot of Midwestern

marks. You're confronting us

and

a lot of people seem like they have

a lot to say

this is your chance.

You have the stage and everyone

will hear you and everyone will be forced

and be held captive to whatever you have to say minister what's going on i don't see anyone

requesting it um yeah not not yet because a lot

of people will fear me. It's just the truth.

And

I don't blame

them. I am kind of a very scary person

from my debate yesterday.

Or not yesterday, Tuesday.uesday you know i have this magical ability to just

pull things out of my sleeve that totally stun like exodia card you know completely

befuddle the enemy

with rhetorical

savvy, with a degree of

intricate

and elegant

word smithing, if will you know i i i launched the nuke that they're eating shit in the street in

LA they were baffled they had nothing to say you know it's it's it's like a form of jousting

but with words and And people fear this.

They fear it big time.

And I don't blame

why so many people fear me.

I just think,

if you fear me,

why speak,

why type,

why type and talk shit? What the point when the civil war comes and

i'm just kidding never mind anyway um too many jokes tonight but you know

I want to talk about

something that came to my attention

recently

which was really disgusting actually

because I noticed that a lot of people

like to say,

the ACP, I understand why they fed jacket us now, too, by the way.

I'm going to explain it.

The reason they fed jack at us is because we carry ourselves with authority.

It's like, imagine seeing the Black Panthers march on the street,

and they have sunglasses on and they're extremely authoritative and they're not emotional.

They keep it cool in the sense of like this is not morality.

This is not feelings.

We're not bleeding heart liberals.

This is authority right people tend to

associate those qualities only with our government because our government happens to be the

authority that rules us right but we also carry ourselves with authority,

so these liptards associate us with the feds

because they think every form of political independence

and authority has to be the feds.

Now, why do they think that? The reason they think that is because

they are the slaves, they are the prostitutes, and they are the dogs of the feds through the

Democratic Party. These people do not believe in any independent principle of political authority. They don't believe in any independent party. They don't believe in any independent principle of organization. They don't believe in the discipline that's necessary to create independent forms of authority they consign the quality

of having authority only to the powers that be so when they see us clearly have the quality

of discipline and authority they say, you're feds.

And they're telling on themselves.

They're telling on themselves, and they're basically saying anyone who tries to create independent authority is the same as the one that already prevails, which happens to be

the one that they are the slaves of.

They don't have authority themselves. They're just the slaves of the existing authority as all so-called anarchists and bleeding heart liberals and so-called radical leftists are they are slaves of the democratic party in practice in practice they are slaves of the Democratic Party in practice.

In practice, they are.

They can say whatever they want, but when push comes to shove, they will never, ever deign.

They will never dare create any kind of independent authority of their own and have the discipline to actually follow through on respecting that and treating it with the with the uh the weight that it actually deserves so um that is uh unfortunate actually it's very unfortunate that people take this what i'm saying they take it for granted me speaking it out loud is an embarrassment to them.

But I saw, anyway, the reason I'm bringing

this up is because a lot of the times

people ask, well, what's the purpose? Why are you

fed jacketing them? What's their purpose? And they'll go, well, their

purpose is to, uh, to, is to uh to to to shitcoat

the image of communism and make communism look bad and make it look um you know uh make it look

unappealing and the government is scared of it looking unappealing, apparently, right?

And who could possibly threaten the government, except military age males, by the way?

That's another question I have.

Is the government threatened by um gender curious obese

people on a wheelchair i don't think they are i think they're threatened by military age males okay

um so the question is who is making communism unappealing for military age males, which are the only demographic the government is actually scared of and who can actually mount significant...

They could actually threaten the government, right? I mean, that's the people in the military right now. That's prospective people who could be in the military. They've always been decisive for any dispute when it comes to power. So I saw a tweet recently. I got about 15,000 likes. The author of the tweet was named

Trans Judeo-Bolshevik.

Trans-Judeo-Bolshevik.

We're right off the bat.

We're coming out with a great image

for communism in America, right?

This is just like, we're the one shit-coding it,

and that's what a good optics looks like, right? This is just like, we're the one shit-coding it, and that's what a good

optics looks like, right? Trans-Judeo Bolshevik, who is very ironically, and this is just a testament

to their intelligence, really. Because they're so smart

that they're ironically

using the Judeo-Bolshevik

Nazi propaganda thing,

but in a way that's kind of like sarcastic.

And the reason that's so intelligent and smart

is because young people in mass

numbers are being fed these lies about Judeo Bolshevism and being converted to Nazi ideology.

And no one's actually doing the necessary education to actually do the propaganda do the agitation

to show them the truth so this person is just taking for granted the fact that it's an

absurdity as if as if that is taken for granted by the actual majority of young people being radicalized right now.

So it's so very responsible of them.

It's so very considerate of the optics of communism of them to call themselves trans-Judeo-Bosovic, right?

Anyway, trans-Judeo-Bosovic

made a tweet saying, you know, guys,

when the revolution comes, it's

probably going to be led by reactionaries

and it won't be led by leftists.

It's going to be a reactionary

revolution, led by it's not going to be, you know,

we should fear this, guys. It's not going to be led by leftists. It's going to be bad because

reactionaries are going to lead it. And it just goes to show how language and the meaning of words has completely

has completely been degraded to such a point where we are now calling, we are now defining left and right, not in terms of revolutionary politics versus reactionary politics

relative to the actual status quo we're defining it in terms of how nice you are and how many slurs you use, how constrained, how much of a leash you're on when it comes to the manner by which you express yourself.

How much you're willing to actually just drop the bullshit and just say it how you actually feel it or mean it versus how much you're going to be a fake fuck for corporate HR departments.

If you're a fake bitch, apparently you're leftist now

because you're compassionate and moral

and you'll never hurt anyone's feelings in the world

and you're going to see a disgusting,

ugly monster and say that

you are so beautiful so anyway, I don't mean to sing. I have a great voice.

But that's, apparently that's being a leftist. It just means being compassionate and a bleeding

heart liberal. And you're just such a great person all the time, and you have no backbone,

and there's nothing about you whatsoever

that is real, that actually reflects

the contradictory nature of reality, right?

In any case, look,

apparently that's left, and right wing just means like you're this toxic person who is, you know, off the leash, I guess.

You just, you are willing to tell the truth about the human conventions and norms that make sense to the majority of people in our country and just be fucking honest about what reality is. Really, apparently that's right wing.

And that's who they're referring to by the way in any case

isn't it interesting how they're trying to define left and right now just on the basis of this nebulous

cultural thing this nebulous kind of like divide in this country

between out of touch people on college campuses who live in a bubble and people who work in coal mines

that's the left right axis now okay now let me tell you the crazy part, right?

The crazy part is that in the entire modern history of mankind, the entire modern history of

mankind, the left-right axis was defined by one thing and one thing only.

Revolutionary politics versus politics in defense of the status quo or the ancient regime.

So from the beginning, the left-wing position, that just means that's the revolutionary

position, where you are bringing society back down to its premises, you are relitigating

power at the most fundamental level, which is political power and state power.

That is left, the party of movement.

And right was what?

Preserve the king, defend the king, and defend the ruling order that's the only meaningful

distinction of left and right there's no other meaningful distinction so understand and comprehend

the profound irony the profound absurdity, how ridiculous it is, that someone is saying, the revolution is going to come from the reactionaries, guys, you have lost touch with the meaning of these words. You have lost touch with the very meaning of what these words actually are supposed to refer to.

A reactionary is not someone who has toxic views about tri-gender bathrooms, okay? That is not what reactionary has ever meant.

All reactionary means is counter-revolutionary.

That's what reactionary actually refers to.

Counter-revolutionary in defense of the status quo.

Trump. counter-revolutionary in defense of the status quo trying to stand in the way of the revolutionary movement of history and yes revolutionary movement of history

a revolutionary force definitionally cannot be right wing and it cannot be reactionary.

So you are telling on yourself in the midst of a profound political realignment and ironically they call themselves trans du day obelsovic they're already adopting the right wing ideology in a sarcastic ironic way but let's just be honest about what this is.

These people are awakening to the fact amidst all of the chaos and political realignment going on right now,

that they have become the right-wingers.

They are now the right.

You are now the right-wing.

You are the future black shirts of the CIA deep state and the status quo. You are the right. You are going to be out on the street defending the status quo in violent, thuggish ways, which is what the black shirts did in Italy, and it's what the brown shirts did in Germany.

On behalf of the oligarchical elites, these criminal thugs were sent down because they had so much anxiety and fear that things were changing too rapidly and too violently and they had so much anxiety about that that they sent these criminals to go engage in

violence to suppress the revolutionary sentiment of society.

Now, you tell me what's going on right now with people marching on the street saying hands off USAID, hands off NATO, hands off the CIA, hands off, you know, Zelensky, hands off the Nazis in Ukraine.

Tell me what that is. Are those the, is that the leftists? Is that what leftism is? Is that the left wing? I mean, there is a political realignment that has already happened. And there's so many people that have this nebulous label of calling themselves leftists who have no fucking idea that because of

their lack of awareness about history and their lack of self-awareness about what is going on right now

they feel safe and they feel comfortable because they're calling themselves leftists, but they have

actually ended up in a far extreme right-wing position. And it happens seamlessly. And they have no

fucking idea, right? And to say that out loud would be a profound shock for them

and it would be profoundly disturbing to them but it's the truth they have become the right

not only the right but the far right so what does left is the mean anymore what does that

even mean what does it refer to what could it possibly refer to what could the left possibly

refer to except the force of revolution, the forces of revolution.

Mind you, the march on Rome and Hitler's rise to power was not, these were not revolutions.

These were not revolutions.

These were not uprisings against the system.

That's not what happened.

What happened is that the system appointed violent thugs to take charge to suppress the revolution because they were scared of a revolution so they they got these criminals

to do things that were outside of the constitutional law to ensure with emergency powers that a revolution couldn't take place.

And it kind of sounds like these leftists, that that's what they want.

That that's what really they're gunning for now.

They want to assume emergency powers.

I mean, you know what? Let me just be fucking honest. Trump got elected. He actually got elected. On what grounds? Where is this notion coming from that right now, you know, Trump is something drastic needs to happen, he should be impeached, this or that. I mean, you know we have no dog in this race. We know that our country has been occupied for decades and decades, and Trump hasn't reversed that. But he got elected. What is the real legitimate pretext for leftists now posturing as revolutionaries?

If you're consistently revolutionary, there's no problem with that.

Meaning if you are a revolutionary under Biden or if you were going to be one under Kamala

or if you're one under whatever, that's fine.

But what makes Trump and Doge and Elon Musk

so exceptional and so extraordinary

that it warrants drastic emergency, extra constitutional power to remove this threat.

What justifies that? You tell me, if you're consistently a revolutionary then fine nothing changed that's fine

but why are so many people becoming quote unquote radicalized by trump if not for the fact that

he is disturbing in their mind, forget the truth, in their own mind, the system.

And they're coming out in defense of the system.

And that's the new tendency that's going on.

They're defending the system, calling themselves leftist, defending the system against Trump.

Now fear mongering that there's going to be a revolution.

But it's going to be led by reactionary, so it's bad, you know?

It's absolutely fucking ridiculous.

Anyway, euthanose go ahead yes how's it going so i have a couple of questions i guess i'll

start with this one since it's kind of on topic but i wanted to ask you um and this is something

i believe is if we do get a radicalization

of the population,

there's perhaps, I don't know, if there's going to be some sort of

re-proletarianization of

America or whatever, I tend

to be of the opinion that, you know,

it's most likely going to be the urbanite classes

to be more educated that are going to gravitate towards communism. It seems to me that the ACP has this intention of, you know, being about MAGA, being about the rural people of America, but I find it hard to believe that they even have any

real kind of revolutionary potential.

To me, it seems like they're easily fooled,

like they don't really have an interest in communism.

How do you approach that if you see,

hypothetically speaking, if you were to see that

it was the urbanite classes, maybe not the educated ones, but urbanite people.

I will explain the dynamic of urban and rule very precisely.

And it's a dialectic. And I will explain it very precisely. Now, at the outset, square one, the more educated urban classes will be more interested in sympathetic to Marxist ideas. And that is absolutely true.

By default, they are.

In fact, at the outset and on a spontaneous level, they're the only ones in the beginning

who are.

That's true.

That is indisputable but for as long as they remain

within the confines of their class and social existence that they came from this nebulous

sympathy that they have for Marxism and for communism will

never ever be transformed into a principle of independent political authority. In the gardens of Versailles

Marie Antoinette

and all of the royal

aristocrats and whatever

they were all reading Rousseau

they were reading these profoundly

revolution they were the ones who had interest in it the elites but it was a nebulous

type of sympathy was a nebulous affinity they had for it which they fundamentally did not actually

take seriously it's a form of posturing to outclass their peers, actually.

The adoption of radical and quote-unquote revolutionary ideas among urban elites

tends to be a form of posturing that allows them to appear more interesting and more distinguished and more unique

than their peers to career climb. And that's the only reason they do it. But they will never,

ever actually take it seriously to the point where they act radically upon that basis and discover from it an

independent principle of political authority how is that transition made how does it actually

happen for as long as they remain confined to the citadels of the bourgeoisie it will not happen it cannot

happen even if they wanted it to they will be blocked and obstructed because nowhere is the

system stronger than it is in the urban core so what is the dialectic?

How does it happen?

It's very simple.

The first step is for the educated intelligentsia who are actually principled, who are actually sincere, and who actually do believe in this principle that will radically transform society

is to go down to the people, to go down,

to go outside of the urban periphery and to go outside of their class,

carrying with them the power that they have and the education and privilege that they have to go down to the rural periphery. And from there, and on that basis, create a new basis of power and counter-hegemony.

And that is the dialectic.

And the people in the rule fly over peripheral spaces, they're easily duped because there are people that already are praying on them.

But if principled and educated people initiate a dialogue and a dialectic with these people, a new basis for building power becomes possible.

And only on that basis will the material foundation be laid and created to create a truly independent form of political authority, which will never happen in the urban core and cannot happen?

And so I would even take it a step farther that the internet age has also made this geographical

distinction superfluous you don't even need these urban people anymore because everyone has

universal access

to the internet. That's why I've

discovered for our party and for our movement.

So many people

are just people in small

towns that

are isolated, who

saw this movement

speak to them

through the access they had to the internet

because

all the alternatives

were fundamentally out of touch.

Well, I have a kind of a follow-up question i think what you said is there's a lot of truth to what you said

but you know this this speaks to what you've been talking about for a couple of months that in the case

that you know the american state that there isn't so there is not going to be a revolution but there

is going to be kind of a collapse of the system and then there will be an opportunity some avenues

will open up i agree with that and i believe that throughout history this is really the cause of

why states balkanize right it is kind of kind of elite in fighting. And when some elites,

as you describe, are discontent with the establishment, they look down and they kind of build

power and then have some sort of revolt or something. But I think that something that's important

is I think a lot of the power will

ultimately come from within

if not the institutions within these

upper strata's of society

and what I mean by that is you need people that are

in control of corporations

people that are in control if not massive corporations

and at least local businesses you need a lot of people, right, that have the infrastructure to sustain such a movement that have the infrastructure to contest power, right? So I don't think that just organizing, sorry for the expression, but, you know, rural, rural peasantry

or, you know, as you said, the periphery,

I don't think that by mobilizing them alone

you'll have enough for a movement. I think that you really

need kind of people working

within the elite, people working

within the institution for that to happen.

You know what I mean?

I disagree because the decisive thing at the level of hegemony is that there are contradictions within it that weaken it so that the bourgeoisie becomes divided, for example.

That division must be exploited by a revolutionary movement,

but you don't need them to assist you directly.

You can build counter-hegemonic alternative forms of power.

That is actually something very possible.

And the way you do that is by getting out of the institutions.

The presence you have within the institution should only go in so far as you're weakening them from within

but never never uh this this notion that you can maintain a foothold in the hegemony, which a lot of people attributed to Gromsky or Saul Alinsky or whatever.

It's a total disastrous mistake because the truth is, is that human beings are shaped by their material surroundings fundamentally

you can be as principled as you want and disciplined as you want but at the end of the day

our social environment and social conditions and material conditions, that's what shapes us at the end of the day.

So you could be someone who's Machiavellian and say, I'm going to go to the, the system and the environment you're in will absorb you. It will totally dominate and preponderate over defining your range of action, defining your worldview, defining who you are. And the only thing that could possibly keep that in check is the construction of new forms of power, a dual power, that are outside of these institutions.

Without a principle of new forms of authority and power

there is no central organization there is no central principle of activity and political direction

that could keep people in check and make sure that they're

not going to be corrupted by the system of the ruling class.

Yeah, I mean, I think that you're, I think that you're right about that the main thing for me i guess

and i'll say i'm not a communist right is i think that there is an extent to which the hegemony will

be preserved i don't think maybe you would argue that it would fundamentally change maybe that's's true, but I think that there are a lot of elements. And this isn't the case just for, you know, communist revolutions, but it's a case throughout history that when an empire supplants another empire, say when the Ottoman Empire supplants the Byzantine Empire, for example, a lot of elements of the bureaucracy, a lot of elements of the way that society is organized are actually preserved. I don't know if that's the right word. Maybe you'd use maybe something sublated. Maybe that would be a better argument for it. But I think that...

Yeah, sorry, you were saying.

I think that what happens

is that institutions become reduced

to mechanisms and they become

superfluous in the sense that they get...

They no longer become

the center of power. They still have a role, but they're no longer

the same hegemony because there's a new principle of power and authority that emerges as a layer on top.

So, for example, if you look at the Ottoman Empire, for example, and compare that to the Byzantine Empire, the dynastic principle that the Turks introduced was something that was revolutionary relative to the institutions of the Byzantine state.

I also think there is a difference with modernity compared to these more organic historical empires, which do operate on the basis of a profound degree.

I mean, Marx said that only the dynasties change, but everything remains the same in the case of China,

where these new dynastic principles arise, but they preserve the bureaucracy and machinery

of the state in a fundamental way.

But with political modernity, you are dealing with a circumstance where the principle and institution

of state power oftentimes is suspended in a permanent state of war with the rest of the population and which actually itself suppresses that more organic historical principle of civilization and collective existence that you see in the

Asiatic empires. So for example, in America, we don't have a real principle of state power, I don't think.

I think we have, with the Civil War, a vague precedent of a united principle of statehood that is um still nascent and extremely immature and even today extremely

tenuous um a lot of what we call the institutions of power they've already become outmoded

because of technology. For example, what purpose does the university system serve now? Like, literally, what purpose? It's totally outmoded. Technology alone has destroyed most of these institutions already in terms of their actual, anything that would survive a revolution, as you would say, that that's no longer the case because of just technology alone.

If we had a revolution tomorrow, you know, the whole machinery of the state would all just be toppled and it would be utterly uprooted and destroyed just because of that.

What would probably be preserved are certain unwritten conventions of state power that are much more deeply psychological and so on and so on like for example the extent to which

Stalin assumed the the role of a czar for example is an example of that kind of he didn't actually

assume the office of czardom as an institutional

in an institutional way but because of this profoundly psychological factor of the unwritten

conventions of power that existed that's how that took form.

So that's my answer to the best of my ability.

All right, well, thanks for, uh, oh, yeah yeah i got a post invite nice

anyway thanks for coming on and uh we're gonna so we have the autistic guy, Rambly, who's requesting...

Eddie, is there anyone else requesting?

Yes, Christ.

Yeah, I've got a couple more.

Alright, yeah.

Let someone else...

Hold on.

Is it the michael flend guy

no

who do you have in mine uh cameron

yeah bring them on

go ahead cameron hey hey there you going um i i just have a question about like i feel like um

there's a lot of like i don't know like i reckon you'll probably succeed in america or whatever

but like my issue is that like I feel like your movement is like fundamentally like anti-Catholic.

And I suppose my question would be is like, do you think that if you use one political power that like you would have like more of

the reason i disconnected them is because they're from australia why do you have a problem with us

if you live in australia what what possible significance that have, regardless of the outcome or whatever conversation

we're going to have, right?

Let's bring on final boss of Jim Sells.

I don't know what that means, but we're about to find out go ahead

hello

yeah

hey what's going on

uh

you guys seem like you're

uh you're you're

supportive of doge

i mean we don't care about doge i don't know mean, we don't care about Doge.

I don't know what you're in.

We don't really care.

What do you think about federal employees in general, you know?

I think the federal workforce should be fired as much as possible.

Okay, like millions of people unemployed at the same time?

I'm all for it.

Okay.

That's weird, man, because, you know, it seems like we're going, it's going in the opposite direction, you know, more like privatization instead of the other way, you know.

way you know well I don't know I don't know what to tell you I mean there's no real private sector it's still controlled by some kind of government but in any case I don't I mean I mean, I don't, I'm not, I'm not going to defend the imperialist state machine. It's just that simple.

Yeah, I hear you, but what about like the rank and file, you know, like you're just a, you know, your public sector guy, you know.

But, you know, you're not part of it.

You're just, you know.

I think

I'm not going to defend

the institution

I'll give you a good analogy

I'm not going to defend the CIA

just because there's a janitor who works at Langley

who's going to get fired if the CIA is destroyed

all right yeah you know that's really the reasoning here

like okay well it's a tough world

all right do you think Doge

is really about efficiency

or is it really about? I don't

care what's about.

I really like how they shut down

USAID and

you know

And then replace it with a private

company, you know.

A private company doesn't have

the power to like shoot me in the head

you know so whatever

private companies

aren't empowered with the force

of the repressive apparatus of the state

so

you know,

privatization

the ship has sailed so fundamentally

when it comes to that.

Like, for example, the Federal Reserve is private banks who literally run the economy. Under Obama, we build out banks.

Like, private banks, we just gave them public money that trend

there's nothing more that can be done what do we

have that can be privatized

the government took control of a bunch

of them after 2008 as well

or the reverse

when you think about it it's the reverse the government didn't nationalize them the government itself it started becoming a like part of the state machine is that the private sector started having authority in ways they didn't even have before, you know?

What do we even, what public, what do we have that can be privatized even though, you know?

That's the issue. Like, what, what do we have? What's, what's left?

Yeah. the issue. Like, what do we have? What's left? I guess the, the, the, the, the, the, the parks, federal land that was stolen

from the Indians

what are we talking about

here

post office

yeah they're talking about they're talking about Post office?

Yeah, they're talking about privatizing the post office.

And, you know, we got millions of federal employees, you know, just like, you know,

dudes don't have too much power, you know, you're just approving patents or freaking working for the DOD, you know, engineering, you know, federal firefighter. History and class struggle is a ruthless thing that is fundamentally impersonal.

And they're... thing that is fundamentally impersonal. And

there is no such thing as

personal compassion

in politics. There's no such thing.

I don't like appeals to

you know, the janitor working at Langley is going to be laid off.

It's like, well, we're looking at systems and institutions of power, all right?

And that's the only analysis I will accept that has any meaningful relevance um the question of what should be

done with the livelihoods of millions of americans out of a job i mean if i was ever given a position of power to address that question, you know we would have a socialist country. You know that we would have an ability for everyone to have a decent paying and so on and so on. But what are we talking about here?

You know?

I don't like

I'm so sick of this personal

blackmail that oh well

if we don't vote for Kamala, there's all these

people that are going to get hurt. Well guess what?

People are getting hurt every single

day.

In large volumes, in magnitudes that are not even fathomable at an individual level. And that's not where politics has relevance. Politics has relevance at the level of fundamentally impersonal collective principles and structures and systems and i i don't any argument against doge on the basis of federal employees losing their livelihoods, well, a lot of the Iraqi civilians lost their livelihoods and federal employees, and we were all culpable in that because we paid taxes.

You know, I don't know what to say like like at what level are we actually morally responsible for this because of our inaction at what level because it feels like we're

picking and choosing right now feels like we're really really

picking and choosing is it unfortunate that a lot of people depend on the imperial estate machine

to make a living of course it's unfortunate but is that a sufficient is that sufficient for us to start saying no let's preserve

the imperial estate machine and start defending it no it's not.

It's also hypocritical in my view.

Because it's picking and choosing morality.

It's picking and choosing where human life and livelihood matters and where it doesn't.

Okay.

Think of the amount of jobs and happiness of the American people that's being suppressed and made impossible because of the imperialist state machine's ability to suppress the population.

Think of how much lost opportunities, lost happiness, lost prosperity that comes from that fact, that we're an occupied regime and government.

Chaos and turmoil in the imperialist state apparatus is not my fucking problem

i'm not going to sit here and say we need a rescue and defend this rotten order

from the collapse that it deserves according to historical laws because harm is going to yeah but

to milk this rotten order become more rotten you know like isn't the goal of doge to just privatize

a lot of the same shit

that's going on now. It's like, hey, we'll fire all these

let's say I'm a guy, I'm a public sector guy in the defense department

and then I end up working for a contractor doing the same thing.

What difference does that make? What difference does that make?

It costs the taxpayers more money, you know? It's like the same thing, but charging more, you know? It's like, what's the point?

I don't, I don't, I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, look, the rotten order becoming more rotten as a consequence of a fundamentally rotten premise is not my problem.

Like, it's not incumbent upon me to defend a rotten order to stop it from becoming more rotten than it is.

It's incumbent upon me to remain faithful to an entirely contrary principle of politics, which I am.

I don't know, man, I'm kind of retarded, but it sounds like, it just sounds like privatization

you know I don't know

but why are you

what do I have to do with that

just because I'm not willing to defend

the federal government I

I have nothing to do with it

I know I will not defend the federal government

what becomes of the federal government

amidst its devastation and ruin and chaos and terminal and collapse, blame nothing else but

the contradictions of the system. Don't blame me for not

volunteering myself to defend Nancy Pelosi

and her husband.

No, I mean, I hear what you're saying,

but like, you know, like the other day

I was hearing you kind of,

what was that debate you had with that guy and you were kind of, fuck, that debate you had with that

guy and you were kind of,

you were talking about, you know,

a lot of technological innovation we have

comes from, you know, the government

and becomes practical.

That's true. Yeah, exactly.

Like, you know, we have like people working.

So it sounds like to me that the system is just becoming more dysfunctional.

What?

It's not our responsibility to defend a dysfunctional system.

It's our responsibility, again, to remain faithful to a completely different principle of political authority and politics.

So how can, like, a person, in theory, they're in the public sector?

How can they make a positive change?

What can they do?

Join our party.

Join our party and fight for our program.

Alright. program.

All right.

All right. I think I'm taking up too much time here

sorry

thanks for having me on

all right

um

orange let's bring orange on

orange is an ally

by the way.

All right.

Is there anyone besides Rambly?

Yeah, there's a couple.

There's Lebaniche.

I think they were on before,

so let's prioritize someone else.

And then the Michael Feene guy.

All right.

Orange,

sorry,

but this is really only

going to be for ops.

Bring on the Michael guy.

Okay. v4 ops. Bring on the Michael guy. Go ahead,

Michael. Michael. So I just had a, I just joined the party recently.

I've been a kind of listening to several of the executives kind of like debating in different places.

But I'm wondering like this kind of

the industrial policy

that you guys have kind of

put forward or whatever

do

um

is there

a kind of idea of um a sort of i mean the idea of the state or something under communism, I mean, would that be, do you envision like a kind of new institutions that would be in charge of kind of lining people up with work?

Yeah, well, if you read the program, we believe in converting the major companies into state-owned enterprises.

So that would be the beginning, is the principle of state-owned enterprises.

Okay, so in the, I mean, would you go about kind of, and to get people like in terms of their expertise maybe

that aren't

necessarily

communist

to

you know like the last speaker kind of mentioned the, a lot of technological advancements coming from the government.

Would you try to recruit people from, you know, kind of like existing institutions and re-educate them?

You know, I'm sorry, we only do like one question and I answered one, but I'll answer the second one and just say that I think we're getting ahead of ourselves a lot.

That's a question for when that becomes a more pressure.

I don't know what the significance of that question is

and I have trouble answering it because it's like

we are so far from the reins of power right now

to make that kind of decision. I know the Bolsheviks have to make decisions

when they immediately seized power

to re-educate existing experts and stuff.

But the general goal is that you want new institutions that operate under new principles of state power and which bring immensely more people gate kept from power you want to bring them in

much more than before um so yeah that's that's really all i could say toward that end I'm apologies for

uh...

cutting you off a little bit but I

we um

yeah anyway Eddie is there anyone else requesting right now?

Only Rambly and Lebanese.

Oh, Joseph just requested.

Let's bring Joseph on.

Go ahead, Joseph.

Hello.

Yeah, what's up?

The gulags,

they were real.

Like, hundreds of millions died. It was a good thing stoned did nothing wrong do you know that hundreds of millions died in the

gulag yeah dude maybe even more Like billions died in China under Mao.

And they all deserved it.

Now there's nothing wrong.

Stahl did nothing wrong.

You know this, right?

How do you know it wasn't trillions?

It may have been.

I mean, the real numbers were kept secret. It's a good thing.

So what's your point?

I only have one. I'm just way more communist than you.

I'm the mega tanky. you.

I'm the mega tanky.

I'm the gigatanky.

Yeah, I don't want to have a point. Are you the type of person that was like throwing popcorn in the Minecraft movie theater?

Yeah.

When you saw a chicken jockey?

That was doing popcorn.

The people. I love the end bottom winter people who are

years

also when I'm

when someone's

taking a shit

and his

all I like to

piss

all over the floor

and then I like to piss all over the floor.

And they ran away.

We're good on, man.

Yo, what the fuck?

Sounds really exciting.

It sounds like you live a really exciting life.

I do.

I do. I do.

Anyway.

That was the Joker, everyone.

That was like the guy,

before they chose Joaquin Phoenix, they were going to

have him be in the movie with

Lady Gaga

because

Anyway

Anyone else

Besides Rambly Eddie

Or we're going to have to bring Rambly on

We've got

Indie

Idilly He's an ally too

Oh and then plastic paddy

That might be a hitter

Yeah bring them on

Sure

Seven several uh like two or three years ago on stream you said in a hypothetical matchup between

uh fucking godzilla and king kong that not only would King Kong

win, but it would be

like okay to root for him. Do you still hold

this position or have you self-critiqued?

I like

King Godora,

the alien one.

Yeah, but the thing is, is the dinosaur

at breeze fire. It's a lot cooler.

I disagree. I think King Adora was the correct one.

Well, like an alien, that's an outsider.

Exactly. It's gone. Like, I understand the, like an alien. That's an outsider. Exactly.

It's gone.

Like, I understand

the, like,

King Kong thing because he's a

primate.

He's like,

what's it called?

Human-like.

You know what I mean?

But, like,

Godzilla,

like, struggled. Like, he rose up from like, he's from Oblock, right? That shitty island, where he, like, got nuked or whatever,

and then he got big. He was, like, grinding. Like, he leveled up.

We're like, King Kong.

He was just, like, it's like a Nepo baby.

He was, like, born into that.

You know what I mean?

Like, there's nothing really special about King Kong,

regardless of his, like, you know, the happen chance of his like you know the happen chance of his

birth

isn't that true

for anything

no because Godzilla

grinded like yeah he was like getting bigger

slowly over time it wasn't for his parents it wasn't for his parents, uh, looking like that. He wouldn't

be the big like that, you know, it's because of his species. He got the inheritance of his

species. Listen, agree to disagree. That's all I had to say

we'll just end it there then

all right

is there anyone else

besides Rambly

Eddie

um

no

Lebanese

india

I don't know how to pronounce it

I think they're both allies and then Rambly.

All right, time for Rambly, everybody.

Jesus Christ, here we go.

This is the, he's very autistic, and he comes on every week.

Okay, I do want to ask, and he comes on every week. Okay.

I do want to ask two questions.

One,

why do you think that T-Rexes aren't real?

Because of, you know.

Why do you think

T-Rexes aren't real?

Have you seen one?

They're extinct, dumbass.

You didn't answer my question. Have you seen one?

Their fossils are in the museum but that doesn't

mean they're not real. Have you seen germs?

They're very much real.

Yes, I have. I have seen.

Anyways.

My second question.

So you've never seen...

How many holes do women have

below the belt?

Woo!

So I was

researching autism

after you came on, and I was

autistic people, they have these, like, compulsive things they have to do, or else they kind of start rocking out, you know?

Like, they start having these like aggressive exertions

of physical activity

that, because they're kind of like,

it's a lot of rage that builds up.

So they have this

compulsive behavior they have to do, or else they become, like, you know, dangerous.

So I think that is that for you.

Dude, just answer the question.

Just answer the question.

Just answer the question has. You live with your parents?

No, I don't. I'm currently

in a dorm. But, again, just answer, what does this have to do with the great holes question? Answer the question has, how many holes?

So you're in college right now?

Yeah.

And this is what you do

with your spare time?

I studied.

But this is like...

Don't you have friends?

Uh, yeah. Why don't you have friends? Uh, yeah.

But the thing with...

Dude, answer the question, dude.

You're dodging the question so hard.

I know.

How many holes do women have below the belt?

I want to know more about this big fan of

No. No, no.

Stop. How many holes? How many

holes? We're doing holes. We're doing holes.

Talk about holes. How many holes?

Rambly, you said you're in college in the

dorm by yourself

and that you have no friends.

I'm asking

how many holes do women

have below the belt?

Rambley, do you have like a girlfriend

or no? There's nothing wrong with not having one, but I'm just asking.

It did.

How many holes?

How many holes?

Just answer the question.

Stop asking the other ones.

And no, I don't have a girlfriend.

Right.

Doesn't surprise me.

But let's say I called your mom and I told her that you do this every week.

What would she think?

What would she think?

Be honest.

Like, how would she, next time you, like, go home for Thanksgiving dinner or whatever you're

doing to go home, you're sitting at dinner. And she's like, oh, you know, Ramb dinner or whatever you do when to go home. You're sitting

at dinner and she's like, oh, you know, Rambly

or whatever your name is. This guy

named Haas called me and he said that every week

this is what you get up to and you ask this

weird question about women's genitals.

What would

how would like she what would she see you What would, how would, like, she,

what, what would she see you like?

Like, how would she react to that?

What would, what would be, like, the expression on her face?

Would she be to say, oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Dude, right?

Rambo.

Why do you want to call my parents about this shit? It's just answer the question. Because, why, why do you want to call my parents about this shit?

It's just answer the question.

Because,

I think I know what their reaction would be.

I'm not,

I don't want to call them.

I'm not going to call them.

I'm just saying, like,

I know what the reaction would be.

They would be,

let's call the doctor

because it's that autism thing.

No, no, no, no. My parents are insanely

supportive of me being autistic.

That they're going to need to provide you more support.

No, they love me. they they have my parents love

me i i i i think that's true this is who i am i know that but they they also need to help you

medically because you do crazy things like this

and they need to be sure.

Yeah, I know you are.

And you need to have more.

And I should talk to your therapist.

No, you're not going to talk to my fucking therapist.

Why not?

You're going to answer the my fucking therapist. Why not?

You're going to answer the question about how many holes women have below the belt, dude.

Have you talked to your therapist about this weekly activity you do?

Are you good?

You get on this space?

Why would I? Why would I?

Why would I?

I think they would be interested.

I think they would be interested.

Dude, how many holes?

Just answer the question.

Is your therapist trained in psychoanalysis?

Yeah, she doesn't get a shit about the fact that I'm autistic.

Just answer the question.

How many holes?

Because I think your

fixation on this topic

would reveal things about your psych

that you probably didn't even know.

I think your therapist would be interested in it.

And there may be a cure for autism

at the end of the tunnel of this.

Research has shown that it's not curable oh my god but if your therapist knew about what you do every week and put the dots together they may be able to discover something i'm not saying it's we found

it yet i'm just saying I want to

contribute to that cure by documenting more

data about autism behaviors.

There is no cure.

Period. I know. In order to

get a cure, we need data.

You are so ignorant. You are so ignorant when it comes to autism, dude. It literally is just neurodivergence. I know, but there are autistic research centers that need more data on autistic behavior and this could be useful to online. They could actually use

this data to help.

I don't think it's funny. It's a crisis.

It's not funny for you to laugh at this crisis.

And these research centers,

they could use the data

of, you know, it's

things that they never knew

you know, they, autistic

people have been documented,

being fixated on Sonic the Hedgehog

and Super Mario and all this other kind

of stuff.

But this is something new that could

contribute to

progress and science, you know.

Dude, how?

Dude, just answer

the question.

Just answer the great holes question

how much data about autistic

behavior will it take

no answer the question

how many holes do women have below the belt?

I think a question like that, the answer is already contained in the question.

And the answer is very simple, Rambly, is that you have a severe case of autism.

Very severe cases.

I'm not nonverbal, dude.

How many holes?

So, is it, are you on Eastern time right now or is it Pacific time?

I'm not telling you that. How many holes?

I'm just saying because I'm imagining somebody in their dorm at 1147 p.m.

And is the dorm only yours or you have a roommate?

All to myself.

Oh, yeah, that's not surprising.

But are the walls thin or are they thick?

Like, do people hear you screaming this?

Dude.

I'm sure there's some people... answer the question.

How many holes?

I'm sure some people are trying to sleep,

Brambly.

Dude, how many holes?

Just answer the question, dude.

Did you watch that movie with Shailabuff's called holes i think you would like it a lot

i i did when i was in sixth grade but come on man just answer the great

if you answer the great holes question.

How many holes do women have below the bell?

If you watch the Shaila Buff movie again,

you will actually cure your autistic fixation on this question.

You'll be transferring it to something else. Dude, just answer the question.

How many holes do women have below the belt? ask your therapist first

well she already knows because she's a woman

I'm asking you

how many holes do women have

the belt? Maybe she

doesn't ask her

she

she

they teach this shit in school

how many holes dude

why are you dodging the question so much

if they teach it in school

why do you

why do you why are you so curious

sounds like you're very curious like you don't know

actually yeah I am a why are you so curious? Sounds like you're very curious. Like you don't know.

Actually, yeah, I am a little curious because I want to know the answer.

How many holes?

So you don't know is what you're saying?

Yeah.

Well, you should probably find a girlfriend and she'll teach you. We solved it.

There we go.

Rambley, he's by himself in a dorm in college.

He has no friends.

He has no girlfriend and he comes to my space every week asking about women's genitals.

I don't know, dude, download Tinder. Go, go, go. MySpace every week asking about women's genitals.

I don't know.

Do download Tinder.

Go go go to autistic Meetup.

Find some apps for autistic people.

They can find each other.

I don't know.

Find yourself an autistic woman who will share your behavior and approve of it.

I don't know if there's a lot of neurotypical people who will to be honest anyway i just solved that whole thing you know

i just solved it all so um let's is there anyone else Eddie besides Joseph because

Garden Mutual

Yeah go ahead bring them on

Go ahead man them on.

Go ahead, man.

Am I up?

Yep.

What's up, man?

Question for you.

I recall and most likely paraphrase poorly.

American taxpayers are culpable for what happened

with the Iraqi citizens that you were referring to. I was lost if I

could help me

get better up to speed with,

uh, was it a Difa?

Was it something else?

I don't know what,

I don't know what you're talking about.

Not too long ago earlier in the space you mentioned saying everyone is culpable in the

system and is culpable in human suffering in some kind of way so I don't like this argument

that I have to come out and protest hands off NATO because there's a janitor who works at langley that might get fired

um you know and and his life is going to be made worse as if it's my fault you know i just think

you you pick and choose what human suffering that you're responsible for that you're going to act to reduce or whatever

i just i don't like that argument well i'm not uh saying that there's uh i mean I mean, forget from your taxes.

By waking up and eating food, you know, somehow

that's all interconnected with some horrible war crime happening in the world, you know?

It just would seem that if

American taxpayers

are culpable for something

happening to an American or

an Iraqi citizen,

it seems like

somehow our

taxable earnings, the money deducted from our earnings

to the government, the U.S. government,

are somehow responsible for harm against an Iraqi citizen.

We pay taxes and part of what we pay goes to the military, which goes to commit atrocities against innocent people.

Aren't these taxes forced?

Sure, but we still pay them

so if we didn't pay we wouldn't be culpable

yeah if we over through

our state we would not be culpable

for what it does anymore

I don't know what to tell you.

We are culpable.

I'm not saying Americans should beat themselves up.

But I'm saying I was using that as an argument against the idea that we need to defend the government from Doge because, oh,

well, Doge is bringing some suffering.

Well, suffering is,

we're bringing suffering

either way, no matter what we do.

You know, we just, it's a question of

what we are willing to act on behalf of from the perspective of principles from

the perspective of structures from the perspective of systems but the idea that you can just

blackmail everybody with personal stuff you know again the janitor

working at lamely that's not a principle of politics it's not a principle that gives rise to a

political position you have to have a bigger picture you have to have a bigger picture and bigger pictures are cold

bigger pictures are cold because they're not personal when you have a bigger picture

you look at things from the bigger picture how it's all interconnected and yada yada yada you know that is very cold because it's no longer

personal because you're no longer just referring to a given person's personal life but you are referring

to the impersonal collective reality and collective principle that does actually affect people's life at scale.

A political principle according to which the government should work for the people will lead to considerably less needless suffering

than a principle according to which the government should work for Wall Street.

That's a principle. It's not personal, though. It's a principle. Principles are not personal. And politics is about that. It's not about the personal. It's about impersonal commitments that are collective at scale, that are systemic and are institutional so i am in favor of doge

cutting u.s aid and cutting as much apparatuses of the imperial estate machine as possible.

And that puts a smile on my face, and I can definitely say I have no problem with it.

That's it.

Principles are impersonal.

Political principles are not personal?

No.

No, they don't address personalities.

They don't address individual people.

They address the common reality that we share,

which, of course, affects people individually.

Of course it does.

Should we

accept that as a universal

fact?

Yeah.

I recall probably incorrectly, and I'm very short in Cascupeedlian.

Uneducated people are not drawn to Marxism because educated people naturally are?

Learning about Marxism is a form of education.

So it's natural that people who are more educated will probably have an easier time

learning about it than people who are uneducated would that be lack of access to the resources

to learn about marxism yes it's a lack of it's a lack of access and it's a lack of access.

And it's a lack of being put in an institutional framing in which you are thinking about things at a scientific level. Would you disagree disagree i'm sorry go ahead rather than just you know

whatever makes sense whatever happens to immediately make sense to you personally

well that would that would be unrelated to principal the uh would you disagree the public school

systems failed to accurately educate um what do you mean it's unrelated?

Well, if it's internalized personally, it wouldn't be based on principle.

Right.

Most people, yeah, most people do not, their consciousness

does not directly

stem from principles. It stems from what makes sense

to them personally, yeah.

Would you disagree

the public education system

state by state nationwide

maybe fails to

accurately

educate on Marxism?

It doesn't at all. It doesn't

it's not accurately or

inaccurately.

It doesn't at all. It doesn't teach anyone Marxism at all why would it?

That would make the public school system a failure at providing people the ability to be educated.

Which it is, yeah.

According to what standard.

The one you just laid out?

Based on being unaware

fully factually of Marxism?

Or what standard? That's what you just what standard that's what you just said that's what you just said

Are we basing someone being educated or not based on whether they know the facts about Marxism that

According to the argument you just made yes in every possible circumstance or argument no but that's what you just said

well i'm i'm just asking questions i'm arguing. I think that public education

lends itself

much less to people

discovering and learning about Marxism

than universities do.

Because universities tend to

force people to think more deeply and critically

supposedly

they also

they also there's also the fact that that Marxism has been sanitized in universities.

You know, it's, it's been made something toothless and removed of its revolutionary edge.

So people have a much easier time you know learning about it and and

because there are a lot of so-called marxists whose views are not incompatible with the ruling

institutions of society so there's all sorts of reasons you know by here what you're

saying the the oligarchal institutions basically right yeah anyway

garden thanks for coming on that's a lot of questions a

go ahead go ahead heyb hello

um

i don't want to go back to

what you guys were just talking about

and i don't want to be argumentative or

confrontational really i just want to

present some facts

and um

get your perspective on general economics, because I come from the understanding that communism has a lot of planned economies.

So with, I guess, the stock market dropping that won a couple days by 10% in China, the CCP, being tariffed over 100%.

I just use the Gaussian solving linear equations to understand economics and GDP. So arranging the

variable coefficients for like consumption, investment, government spending, savings, and net exports.

I think with what the, like that's just like the facts I want to

present, but my analysis leads me to believe that if done right with everything on the books with

like a inflation reduction act, which is a really far left policy, but came with a lot of regulation that wasn't released or affecting the American economy and the tariffs that have been put in place.

Eddie, I'm sorry, but they're...

I know I'm, you know, this is a forum for the masses.

Let the people speak their mind, but...

Even I have limits as far as my patience.

Even I have, I mean, the Gossian linear coefficient.

I mean, what the hell are we talking about here, all right?

This guy is like building a fucking, like a nail bomb in front of me.

He's talking about the Gossian, you know, he's like engineering some kind of device.

And it's dangerous.

I don't know.

We had to shut it down.

You know?

Looks like we don't have any one else.

He was like Walter White cooking, but instead of blue meth, it was like poison gas, and it was dangerous.

So we had to stop him.

It's like Dexter's lap type of shit.

The Gaussian curve symmetry of the GNI coefficient, which we put it.

Man, what the hell is going on, man?

You know, what are we doing here?

We landing someone on the moon? Are we building rocket ships? You want to bring on this Abe guy?

We already did.

That was him.

Oh.

He had a whole presentation, right?

I just... I just...

I just...

No, it's not going to happen.

It's just not happening.

All right, I'll...

Abe, you can come on.

You have to be super simple, like, and just get to the point right away.

Get to the point.

Like, right away get to the point like right away hello excuse me i guess uh i guess i tested your patience uh i'll try to keep things in lay terms.

No, just get right to the point.

Skip past all the reasoning and just get right to the point.

I mean, how, since the global market has been probably hit just as hard as the American market and China's currency dropping, how can we defend or how do you defend or look at communism as a international or ability to sustain global power because America is a global power?

Would you think that step to communism is just to say that it could be another stage in the American decline?

I'll just start with that simple question.

I don't know what you mean. Do you mean would communism

correspond to America declining

from its status as a global power?

Is that what you mean?

Yes, because

it...

Yes, it would.

We have this global empire with our dollar

as the reserve currency and we have these military bases across the whole world and to me communism is the solution to how we preserve our nation as a unified nation okay even though we're losing our empire.

Because when

the collapse happens, the decline you're

talking about, it's going to go in the direction of

Balkanization. Our nation

will be destroyed.

And foreigners will come,

probably, like NATO

and carve it up and create

spheres of influence for themselves

so we have to

address the question of how fundamentally

we can build the premises of

civilization one and also

a sovereign economic foundation from scratch, to actually have real national independence and national existence.

So to me, that's communism. That's the way.

We have to go inward and and build on that foundation.

I agree on sovereignty.

I'm a little wary of like communism's um authoritarian tones and social um type things because when you were when you were like um kind of being displeased with my presentation um it just reminded me like black intellect is not the most valued thing in this world um i didn't even know

you were black so what are you talking i know but i'm just saying from my perspective it's just like

one of those things where i open my voice like open my, and, like, I'm never received with, like, respect or, like, attention.

What does that have to do with you being black?

Because you have a America, UK, France.

I thought you're, I thought you're from Europe or something

I don't know what race you are

I'm just saying from like the perspective of like

would communism still allow

a safe America

because it may lend itself to that still allow a safe America because

it may lend itself to

that cold policy

that you were

trying to describe earlier.

You said safe?

Yeah, because if we're prescribing cold policy and trillions of dollars are moving

and it's still America

with that polarity from communism

like how would you view

the safety national security aspect in america say uh what's the safety from what

like um so i i was saying from my perspective like i i'm i'm

i'm black i felt like unheard or unappreciated or just like generally apathetic to my point of view.

But if that's, if that sentiment is amplified on the national level and a cold real

critique that you previously described, how would you ensure

safety and public order when there are

histories of social issues in America?

Um... um

um did so you

did I make you feel unsafe

like what what do you mean

no I'm not saying you made me feel unsafe

I just I just felt like the, like, if the floor is open and there's freedom of speech and I sound different than another person and I'm vulnerable and that sentiment is projected to the national stage with an immense more amount of power than like my my whole thing is how would you or how does the communist movement go from like a niche kind of

elite educated

field to saying having

like communism

or like social

collective ideas like free college

or like supporting

youth entrepreneurship or something like that.

Like how can those ideas from this sort of space relate to like, I guess from that perspective,

like a more common acceptance or understanding of socialist, communist, Marxist, ideals.

I'm going to try to answer your question the best way I can because you have me lost a little bit.

But what I will say is that the important thing is results.

The important thing is substance and the meat and potatoes okay always so communication should be as clear as

possible and what is done with policy needs to reflect what is necessary for results.

And that is really, I don't know what else I could say because i don't know what you're asking

really don't know exactly what you're asking but if you're saying for example

how would you account for being dismissive of people who sound different or whatever.

I would say that in any functional institution,

there needs to be clarity when it comes to matters of communication.

And what you were saying earlier, which I was dismissive of, was not at all clear to me because you were talking about a lot of complex technical mathematical terms. And it just didn't seem like it was

directly relevant to anything

for me

oh yeah that's that's my um excuse me I'm taking a public speaking class right now, and I, I feel like I got a D or something. But my whole thing was trying to relate that because I studied economics and I'm taking this

mathematics course at a community college

and I just, and I like go

to Fed meetings in Philadelphia sometimes

like I'm going to one next week

to meet the Bureau of Labor Statistics

Commissioner and

hear her speak.

So I'm

just using those terms to

real world current events

relating like

GDP linear system equation

models, etc. It doesn't matter.

Blah, blah, blah.

To like those like those, like, tariffs.

Or, like, because that's a current event.

Or, like, boosting employment because that's, like, a common good goal that most political

parties have.

You see what I'm coming from now um

um i don't i don't know why it can't be more simple though

you know like why do we need to talk about the math the technical mathematical stuff

no we don't have to talk about that I would just bring that up as an example to like

bolster my credibility well i mean

i don't think that there's any

everyone who comes on the space is is given a benefit of the doubt when it comes to

credibility and you don't need to use complex on the space is given a benefit of the doubt when it comes to credibility

and you don't need to

use complex mathematical jargon

to

to have a right to

share your perspective

everyone's entitled to their own

yeah I just want to no nobody is more authorized everyone's entitled to their own yeah they're entitled

yeah

I just want to

no nobody is more

authorized

or less authorized

to have an argument

than someone else

an argument

should be judged on

its merits

and nothing else

yeah and I was just

trying to build those merits.

No, but that's not merit.

That's kind of like overwhelming with technical jargon.

That's just kind of seems like it's meant to obscure the possibility for us to to actually judge

what you're saying on its merits.

Okay, I understand

where you're coming from.

It's no offense,

Abe, but it's a very like liberal

sort of

PMC type thing to be

like, you know, I'm able to use all these technical

jargony words

and therefore I am credible,

you know, really,

if you can understand something well,

usually you're able to simplify it when you articulate it

or that's my view on it at least that's why i was laughing at you earlier okay uh okay

well basically just to make it simple

I think

like as someone

who's all over the

political spectrum

and someone who voted for like

Jill Stein

eight years ago

but also Trump

last year.

To make it simple,

the policies that Biden put in place

and the policies that Trump has put in place

are kind of putting us

in the best of possible

realms of like uh situations to actually have a decent sovereign

economy uh so so yeah i just wanted your perspective on like that communism aspect but that was just my main point to make it simple so thank you

if you want yeah i could give you our view on the tariffs and simplify that you know our view is that

the the problem with tariffs is that they will increase the price of goods and it'll be inflationary. And you do the math and they've done the math. And supposedly, I just trust the people. This was Hudson who claims the math was done. Maybe I'm wrong. But basically, it doesn't matter how much we tariff the goods of foreign countries. Because of the cost of living is so high, we will never, ever, ever be able to make our goods as competitive as they are.

Just because of the discrepancy of the costs of production being much, much higher here, because of how much more wealthy and developed we are, how much more we consume and how much the costs of living

are and so on. And Hudson basically says the root cause of the cost of living being so high,

the need for wages to be as high as they are is because things are are treated as commodities in the

private sector which really the government should be intervening in and treating as a public good and a public utility.

So for example, education and healthcare and rents for, for, you know, paying your bills for your house. All these things are monopolies that should be treated as public utilities,

but are just given completely to the private sector as monopolies.

And they follow a rentier logic where they're, you know, the only way to make profit if you're a rent to your form of capital, you just keep increasing the costs.

You know, otherwise you're either going up or down in capitalism.

The only way to go up is just keep increasing the costs, right?

Keep the rent, the rent surging up.

It's a spiral.

Because also when the interest rates and when the debt goes up,

the rent has to go up, right?

Correspondingly.

So this rentier principle upon which, you know, U.S. economics is based

makes the cost of living much, much higher than it needs to be.

If we could radically reduce the cost of living much, much higher than it needs to be. If we could radically reduce the cost of living and therefore the cost of labor,

we could be competitive.

We have the wealth, we have the technology to do it, but we don't have the political willpower to clamp down on the private sector, basically, the private rentier capitalists.

So that's our view, basically.

Tariffs can be a good step.

Even if it's a disastrous policy,

I like the step because it's taking us out of the neoliberal framing of expert

conventional economics. And it's opening the door to alternative paradigms, which is worth more than anything.

If we can break the grip and monopoly of the neoliberal expert class when it comes to

economic policy, we're opening the space for there to be a path forward for for more popular economic policies you know to have a

chance the problem is this class of experts so i see it as class warfare in a way Against the segments of the hegemony which I support

But no illusions the tariff policy will not be good

As it stands

But that doesn't mean we should go back to what was before

We should take this farther

It's a revolution and we need to take the revolution farther,

and Trump won't take it as far as it needs to go.

That's really my view.

All right, I'm going to bring Lebanesee on,

and that will probably be the last person,

because no one else is requesting.

They've been on before.

This is the second time, I believe. all right i think they're on eddie is anyone else requesting um we got, oops.

Uh, just Michael and Indy, idly.

All right.

All right.

Well, I think we're going to wrap up space.

I'm going to wrap it up.

All right, guys.

See you next Thursday.

All right. So, that's the space is over.

It was very, um, I don't know what to say.

I'm gonna think of something new for Front the Chairman.

Because clearly these spaces, they're just, they're just not.

It's not it.

Nobody wants to go for the chairman.

This is the truth.

Anyway, guys, I'm gonna go...

Sleep because I'm fucking exhausted.

So, good night. Thank you.