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We are here for a very very interesting time shattering hegemony with the five i appreciate you bro

what's up how you doing slow mo with the five we being fast today red guardian What's up bro?

I see you I see you

I kind of spoiled it

But you know I got a

Classic

Classic fit

Y'all see I got a classic

Fit

I just wanted to commemorate the history.

I mean, this is a classic-ass fit.

I should be selling this shit as merch as part of the infrared rebrand.

I got this classic-ass fit on, you know? Some classic as uniform type of shit.

And it is what it is.

What if I told you all that I just got back from the gym?

And then I'm like dirty as fuck right now.

Anyway, guys, welcome to, I did not prepare.

Like I didn't...

This is some crusty ass...

Ramshackle type of shit

we're doing, just like the old days i just don't got to beat her on you know

anyway y'all yeah i was working hard i've been working and then i was like okay i got to prepare

i got to get dressed i got uh and then i was like you know what I got to prepare, I got to get dressed, I got a...

And then I was like, you know what? Fuck it, though. The old haze would just click the

live button. So I, you know, I was just like, I'm just going to go live. I'm already here. I'm

already working. I'm like, shit, I'll just turn this light on and go live.

And that's what we're doing.

But y'all got to, you've got to prepare for the, anyway.

Yo, today we're going to have a crazy ass...

We're going to have a crazy assass Twitter space, but I want to say Infra NRG, what's up?

I appreciate you.

I need a co-host.

I need a co-host without a co-host.

X is a piece of shit.

It's a piece of shit because they have this thing where people get requests or they request and I can't see it.

It's such a piece of shit.

It's literally a piece of fucking garbage trash and I spit on it.

Okay.

But that's the issue.

Anyway, we have that going.

This is part of the crabathonathon so let's keep it crabbing

but we're going to be

doing a crazy bombshell

confront the chairman

and we're going to start

right now I mean I got a lot

of shit grinding my gears.

I'm thinking

maybe we should make

this about

the Hassan Pike or cat

or not cat,

the dog affair.

Spaces.

I need a co-host for sure or else is not going to go well, you know, or it's not even going to work at all, okay? You know what I'm sick of when I do these spaces?

I usually just get a request.

Some guy comes up,

Oh!

Hey, I just wanted to let you know.

I really appreciate what you're doing.

Also,

don't forget,

the temple of the

the temple of Solomon is upon us.

Like, I don't know know just some stupid ass shit

I don't ever get triggered as people

should I make the space

called third worldist versus dogs

I want to kind of I love

I'm inspired by Ruslan's

recent posts where he's saying he's actually embracing third worldism

over the dog worship.

Stephen, what's up?

Stevens, and I thought they actually got me thinking.

I kind of didn't want to put my hat into the ring

because I'm like, you know, I'm a brown Arab and I'm just a mean Muslim Arab and I'm coming to this country and, you know, getting people to be more alienated from their heckin' pupprinos and their heckin' pufferinos and their heckin' Fricin' wholesome dog arenos.

But, you know, it is kind of how I feel.

It is, you know, the way I'm going to just tell you my blank feelings is that I hate the dog worship. It's so fucking

cringe. It's like dogs are fine.

It's a pet. Treat your pet. Right.

I don't like torturing animals.

I think people who do that are sick,

who get pleasure out of hurting animals, that's fucked up.

But, like,

the whole, like, thing of pets

replacing children, I'm not on board

with it. Phil Fo, what's up?

It's like, you know,

a dog is a fucking dog.

It's a dog.

It's not that deep.

You should feed your dog.

You should take care of your dog.

And you shouldn't read into it beyond that.

Your dog doesn't have rights.

It's not a human being.

That's why it's literally a slave with a collar, by the way.

If you cared so much about your fucking dog, you'd let

it in the wild and let it be free.

But instead, you keep it as a slave

with a literal collar.

And you infantilize it.

And sometimes you're chopping their balls off

and shit.

So like stop pretending you care about your dog so much when you literally castrate them,

put humiliating collars on them, and humiliatingly infantilize them as infants when they are in fact the adult members of the species that they're in and you kind of treat them like your your slaves actually you know you're yeah you're

putting fucking tutus on them and shit. Yeah.

My paparinos, it's like, you know, but

I don't, you know, it doesn't

bother me until people like straight up

start getting like the whole Hassan thing,

for example. Like, just shut up.

It's the most stupid shit I've ever...

You know what?

Fuck it.

Like, I'm not an expert on dog training, but like...

Okay, this will sound insensitive, but like, Jesus Christ, I feel like it's cancel

culture.

Can I ask the question?

I don't even know. Like, raise my hand. I have a question. I don't know. Like, what is so bad about the shock collars? Because I'm pretty sure those are invisible fences, right? Like, when dogs dogs cross when they leave

there's an invisible

that's what an invisible fence is. I grew

up with that. I had neighbors who were white people

who had invisible fences

and it would shock

the dog when they left the fence.

Like, why is this, why is this like the most torturous, fucked up thing?

Like, why? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just asking questions here. Don't shoot me. I literally don't know.

Why is this considered...

Fuck it. I'm going...

The internet's treating this like it's the Holocaust all over again.

That's my issue. Like, they're making it seem like Hassan is Hitler.

And like, this is the next Holocaust.

That's the vibes I get from the outrage.

Like he did something so bad.

Okay, to be less traumatic,

they're making it seem like he's the next Michael Vick.

And he's,

by the way,

if it's so much part of American culture

that loving dogs are so much part of American culture, why the fuck are there so many pit bulls? You know, the whole point of pit bulls was dog fighting because a bunch of Americans came here broke. They didn't have any way of making money. And, you know, particularly the Irish and Italian immigrants from Ellis Island.

They literally came here and they would make dogs fight.

And that's how they would make money.

And then only after they started making money, they, you know, they, oh, we love our dogs.

Yeah, but how did you make your money by getting pit bulls to kill each other in the ring?

So, don't give me bullshit.

Don't give me bullshit.

I saw the strangest.

It just disappeared.

It literally disappeared right before my eyes.

I don't even know what the fuck that is.

Should I title the space Third World Brownism? Debating white nationalists He He ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

he ha

ha

ha

ha

. yeah i started the space white nationalism equals brown larpers

and i want to talk about this i want to Brown LARPERS.

And I want to talk about this.

I want to talk about this for sure.

Jesus Christ. Who the fuck is calling me?

Oh, one moment!

One moment!

Everyone should spread the space far and wide.

As far as the eyes can see.

Give me one second, guys.

I got a strange call.

I think this is Jackson. Give me a sec. I think this is Jackson. Thank you. You know, Guys, apparently that...

Jackson...

Don't put me on speaker.

You are on speaker.

Hold on. What? don't put me on speaker you are on speaker hold on

what

apparently

yeah I don't know

how

what the fucking time is it in russia i don't fucking know

anyway guys he calls me he's like don't put me on stream

and then i'm like yeah you're muted and then i'm like oh fuck

there's a twitter space and then i had to mute the Twitter space anyway can someone

co-host Sewell is such a great co-hoster we're gonna bring on Sewell to be the co-host

if only Jackson would co-host instead of okay apparently that

that account is jackson's actual account i don't know

he said unbanned my account who banned jackson

who banned jackson

he's saying he was he got banned

he was spamming.

Okay, unbanned him.

He's bothering me about it.

I guess the rules don't apply to Jackson.

Unbann him.

You can debate Paul Lance

I don't know who that is

what do you mean I can debate them

who the fuck who are they

have them request

Jesus

you know Jackson why don't you get in the fucking space have them request. Jesus.

You know, Jackson,

why don't you get in the fucking space?

Jackson is profoundly retarded.

All right?

You know what?

I got to call him.

This guy is like, he's, he's like, he's like,

absolutely fucking crazy.

He tried to send me a text to speech. Bro. Bro. Bro

I read the text

I read it

You know my text to speech doesn't fucking work

Did you forget

Fugging it's frozen because it's a

Remember fucking it's frozen because it's a remember

that

that just means that I get to

spam because I see you a super chat

but it can go through

how do you even have the link to my fucking

super chats when they're disabled?

Where did you get them?

It's available online, but listen,

just put yourself in the dog's paws.

You kind of look like the dog

anyways.

It's similar features.

That doesn't make any sense.

So that was...

You wouldn't like it.

Just put yourself in the dog's paws.

I don't know what that means.

Not just like put yourself in the dog's paws, Bill.

Why don't you come in the space and co-host or something make yourself fucking useful instead of disrupting my fucking show

with absolute nonsense

I'm saying like have you thought about putting...

No, they say put yourself in their shoes.

Put yourself in the dog's paws.

Thought about that?

You know what?

I'm hanging up.

I don't know what to say.

I don't even know what I'm hanging up. I don't know what to say. I don't even know

what I'm hearing anymore.

Okay?

It's just like absolute insanity.

It's like this is just insane.

This is like nonsense.

All right.

Let's bring on Paul Bin Anthony

Paul, go ahead, what is

Brown Third Worldism

and what is white nationalism

and how do we tell the difference? Go ahead.

Well, I wanted

to talk about this. Oh, way here okay go ahead paul explain to us Everyone needs to stop spamming that shit in the chat, by the way.

This is absolute nonsense.

This is why Jackson was banned.

He's just starting nonsense.

Trends.

Anyway, Jesus Christ, you got, you know what,

20, if you want to fucking say that shit,

anyone who wants to say that, 20 subs,

you think it's free? You think it's free to annoy me like this?

We're crabbing it up. Drop a fucking 20 for annoying me.

How about that?

Anyway, Paul, Paul go ahead Jesus Christ

unmute yourself

Hello Hello, hello. Hi, everyone. How are you today?

Hold on.

Where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, Hello, I can hear you. Are you on air... Yeah.

I'm here.

How are you today?

Is this... Are you the Wrights Brothers? Are you on an airplane without any windows?

There you go, Jackson. Jackson paid for his disturbing. Jackson, the 25. Wow. I can't believe this. He actually did it, the madman. Go ahead.

Paul, are you on the right brother's plane without any windows and without any covering?

Because all I can hear is the open air.

Yeah, I'm here.

Are you on one of those, like, Snoopy planes without the covering, and it's like you got to wear the scarf and the goggles and whatever?

Yeah, because...

Like Amelia Earhart?

The guy that needs to have something long.

The line here.

So what's going on? What's going on?

What's going on?

Nothing.

Only

talk to you.

Sure.

Okay. Okay. sure okay every nice day

I want to meet something

someone

that's all you want to meet someone

yeah

I want to go out

yeah

huh

do you have any...

See you again.

So nothing?

Yeah.

Nothing.

So what was the point?

Thank you, my friend.

Oh yeah, are you a white nationalist?

Because you sound like one.

Hello, sir.

Sir, are you a white nationalist? Hello.

Hello.

Yes, are you a white?

Yeah, are you a national?

Can you hear me?

Can you hear me? Yes. Hello, hello. nationalist?

Can you hear me?

Yes. Hello, hello.

Yes, I can.

Yeah, thank you.

Sir, are you a white nationalist?

Sir, are you a white nationalist? Sorry, sorry.

White nationalist.

Are you a white nationalist?

I'm from Malaysia.

From where?

From Malaysia.

Malaysia.

Malaysia.

Malaysia country.

Yes.

Correct.

What do you think of white people?

I'm... What do you think of white people?

And yes, for me, no problem.

And what about white nationalists?

Yes, Sam.

About you, the Maryland. What? about you the Malayman

what

the men

the militiaman

the Malaysian people

yeah

Malaysian people

Malaysian people people. Yeah.

Malaysian people?

Yes.

What do you think about Hassan and the dog thing?

Do you like dogs?

Yeah, I like dogs.

Because I'm not Muslim. I'm Christian man.

Honestly, actually Malaysia is more country.

Muslim is my country, but the militia here more religion uh five or six religion

different so i'm christian and why does that make you like dogs more?

Yeah.

I didn't, I can say, hello.

Yes, I can hear you, sir.

Yeah.

Can I change...

What?

I want to go outside.

So time to check you.

Later, later, later.

Nice to meet you.

Okay, very, what a profound conversation.

Thank you for that.

Okay, I'm bringing up someone called Vivek Gupta.

Okay, bring diplomatic and foreign affairs journalist.

Please bring them up.

Hello, Vivek.

Are you a white nationalist?

I'm not in white nationalist. I'm from India.

So, but aren't, but most, you know, so what? Most of the white nationalists are from India.

I don't think so

most of the nationalists from

India.

But everyone

Indian think that white nationists

are not as

believable as much

they believe in an Indian.

Okay.

So what's on your mind? What do you think

of Hassan Piker and his dog? What's

going on?

Exactly. I don't know about his... I don't know anything about his dog.

I'm just...

Do you think dogs should have rights?

Yeah, dogs have right.

You know, the recent case in india the supreme tried to

have you heard about that hello Hello?

Hello, sorry, can you repeat that?

The recent movement of India India they said that

we try to eliminate all

the dog on

the area and put it

all in the center where

they can

what you say is the dog

okay I have to go for one second for 30 seconds.

Can you talk about animal rights and dogs' rights and why you value the life of dogs

and why you think there should be human rights for dogs?

Please, please. I'll be right back. I'll be right back, please. should be human rights for dogs please please

I'll be right back please

just elaborate upon

I do you know

okay okay okay I believe in animal right

I do have some rights

they belong from our planet and most of the country are democratic

they provide some right with every animal not dog it's dogs. Only have some rights.

Do you think it's acceptable that a dog should have a shock collar?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

As much

we, they give

more back.

And it's true.

And all are more love than man.

This is true?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true.

Do you like cats or dogs more?

I like both.

You like both.

You like both?

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm gonna bring someone else who is also from your country.

I missed everything.

What happened?

What did I miss?

We spoke a little bit about how dogs are less than humans.

Oh, okay, Swarasia. Hello.

Hello. Can you hear me, Chairman?

Yes, I can. How are you? Okay, first of all, it's finally I get to talk to you.

So, Sai, what's up?

Greetings to you, Comrade Haas, and congratulations on the permissions of the American Communist Party

and this spectacular growth that the infrared media

collective has seen over the last five years.

I'm from India

and I love seeing the progress

that you guys are making. I have two questions.

I don't know if we're short on time. I'm a bit late. I'm sorry

for that. Yeah. But I have two

questions you can answer them as you please if you see the time is not fit.

My first question, comrade, is about something I read on the InfraWiki page.

The lower page, you guys have one on the InfraWiki page, that before starting the Infrared Media Collective,

you had a small study group starting with five people and then it went to 12 people. Is that correct,

comrade?

Kind of. Yeah, kind of.

Okay. So I would like to ask you that, you know, in right now we have i've been watching your videos infrared's videos for about you know a year or two right and we have uh five members right now we have a small study group of indian communists we live in india not nIs, five Indians, who are influenced by infrared's, you know, vision of communism in the age of multipolarity, 21st century. And we're trying to, you know, it's been, it's not been long, like a couple of months, but we're trying to study theory and, you know, form a vision like infrared did, but uniquely under Indian conditions with all the material realities of the Indian, you know, Indian people and so on. So my first question to you, comrade, is what advice would you give to someone, you know, starting out, you know, a small communist cell who are starting out studying theory and adapting to the conditions of their country concretely? What advice would you give to us in order to form a vision, a clear political vision like Infrared had?

If you don't mind, I'm just going to quickly interrupt because we're short on time.

Go ahead and DM me, Swarrow, and I'll put you into connection with some of our chapter leaders within ACP.

And maybe they could give you some advice.

But for now, we're going to go ahead and move on.

But I have second question, which is for Hars particularly, please ask that question.

It's very short, please.

I'll DM you for sure

mhm it's a short question yeah so comrade has this is a question about an interview that you

gave to the workers university named after i g clebnikov if i'm correct a couple of years ago

and there the interview the interviewer asked you IG Klebnikov, if I'm correct, a couple of years ago. And there

the interviewer asked

you, what is the reason behind the

decline of communism in the late

20th century, especially in the western

sphere, right? And you replied to him

that the decline of communism,

first you said that it was in a theological sense,

and secondly you said that in the 21st century, communist partisans must possess a correct

people's sense. So if you remember that, comrade, can you, you know, briefly explain,

because you did not go into much that in that article in that interview,

what did you mean by

communist partisans possessing correct

people's sense? And why did

the earlier communists not have that

in the West?

Because they

based communism purely on abstraction and purely on abstract theory, and they didn't relate it to people's common sentiments, and they didn't have a lot of humility with respect to those sentiments. They thought that knowing Marxist theory, you put them in a position of enlightened superiority that allowed them to basically

bypass common sense itself.

So I don't mean to keep it too brief, but yeah, please DM Sewell and we will give you

more advice.

So John Frogman is a

Brown Groyper.

John, go ahead, please.

Hey, guys.

It's nice to hear from you.

I was a, I still am

an avowed communist.

It's wonderful to finally be a part of it.

I just wanted to ask how many of you deleted everything from your Discord chats after Charlie was murdered

Mm-hmm

So when you say how many

of us did that, what do you

What are you actually getting at?

Did you not even formulate your

question properly?

You fucking retard before you joined?

What do you mean how many of us deleted?

How can many of us delete one thing?

That doesn't even make sense.

You didn't even write this down before you joined.

You actually stumbled on yourself and shit your pants right out the gate.

What an actual retard you are, sir.

Aren't you like supposed to be the superior

race or whatever with high IQ?

Do you not know how like fucking

retarded that sentence was?

Can you reformulate it, please?

Like, what were you trying to get at is that supposed to be an own how many of you deleted your durscord server after what are you drunk what this is like are you like dyslexic like what is that what does that even fucking mean?

He's gone did he actually leave?

He didn't fucking leave did he actually fucking leave, you shit the bed

right out the gate. Sewell, did he leave?

He still

still shows a speaker for me.

Okay.

Your mic is so low.

Is there any way you could fix that?

Can you let him reformulate the question in a way that makes that? Can you let him reformulate the question

in a way that makes sense?

Let me reformulate the question. Yeah.

When we recover

all of your Discord chats

that you deleted the

day of Charlie's death,

how many of you will be implicated in his assassination?

When are you going to recover it?

Can you give us a timeline?

Because it's been a month.

Yeah, it's been a month,

but all you have is a,

is like a NIG woman

what advocating for you?

What does that even mean? I'm part of a hacker group

and we have like half of what you

have. I know that it's not

everything. Send it to Cash Patel, please.

It's been a month. We've been waiting

to go to jail. It just hasn't been happening. I thought we were supposed to be in jail by now,

right? Everything to Cash Patel. He's also a nigg, just like you.

Oh, so who's going to, so what? So John Frogman, is your fat, obese, Cheeto-stained ass

going to take us to jail,

you bitch?

Who's going to fucking arrest us then?

Who's going to enforce this made-up accusation?

Who's going to, hey, fat bitch.

Who's going to enforce this?

Hey, fat bitch, I mug this shit out of you

As an Arab and you are my

Inferior so shut the fuck up

Who's gonna enforce this law?

Okay

Yeah yeah you come talk shit to me

In person I'll slap your bitch ass into the ground

You can go and fucking

uh...

Yeah, what do he...

This is some kind of strange frog noises.

You guys are hearing this.

This is crazy.

Boy, you're broken he got broken we broke him

we literally broke him

this is like AI

he's like when I'm a part

of a hacker group and we're gonna it's like

okay if it's if cash Patel doesn group and we're going to, it's like, okay, if

Cash Patel doesn't think we're guilty,

if the FBI doesn't, if the police

don't, but you think we're guilty,

why would we give a fuck if you

think we're guilty? Like, why would I care?

If the actual U.S. government

doesn't think we're guilty, and you do, are you going to take us to your

freaking jail? Your, your freaking Roblox jail? Is that where you're taking us to your Roblox jail? You fucking fat retard.

Why do right-wingers just make shit up in their head? Like, I'm gonna take you to jail. Calm down, Woody. Where are your friend? Shut up, Buzz. I'll kill you. You sound like a fucking child. Well, you're gonna take us to jail because I'm the police now and you're going to jail. Like you're an absolute fucking retard.

You're a fat, pathetic fuck. You don't know the first thing of how anything in the world works.

Yeah, I think he got shocked by Hassan's collar because has even fucking libtards like hasan dog walk this shit out of fat fucks like that it's pathetic

go ahead dreamless

dreamless what's going on yo yo i just want to be, yo, yo, I just want to announce I, uh, so,

so I just want to announce I got engaged yesterday.

Can you giggle more, you fucking bitch.

Can you giggle a little bit more?

He disconnected.

Sue, are you removing these people, or are they disconnecting? I have not removed.

I removed the other guy because the speaker was just malfunctioning, but I didn't remove him from the space. That guy should come back up. So this guy joined and then he giggled. Jesus Christ. These are our formidable enemies really

it's just the definition of low T

it's just crazy you're giggling

go ahead uh whatever the fuck your name is

uh like are we talking about uh white Nash whatever the fuck your name is.

Like, are we talking about white nationalism? Yeah.

So I joined

a little, like, I guess late.

I don't know, like, I guess I'm not

a white nationalist. I don't know if so does I guess I'm not a white nationalist.

I don't know if so does that, like, preclude me?

Okay, he joins and then he says, I don't know.

I don't know either.

Goodbye.

Uh, guy with the name with the P, go ahead.

Hello, this is Cash Patel.

I am just wondering,

could you tell these fucking Groypes

to leave me alone and stop talking about

your bloody fucking Discord server?

It's very annoying.

Why is it annoying?

I think they're onto to something, right?

I'm busy with this. Hassan shock collar bullshit. I'm busy with that. I don't have time for these

SCPs. I'm not being any evidence whatsoever.

But don't you think the think when Nick Fuentes said

that Jackson and Haas are going

to jail, that, you know, you

got to, you can't, come on, don't make

them look like a retard. You're making them look stupid.

Come on.

But do you have a retard?

He's a brown.

He's a retarded.

Don't you think he's going to prevent

you from going to Valhalla if you

if you don't vindicate him?

He could block you from Valhalla.

I don't give a fuck. I just change

up my religion, whatever I wanted to be.

If I don't go to Valhalla, I just go someone else.

I don't care what these brown Mexican says

about me.

Well, look, he might be a brown Mexican, but he knows

how to cross into Valhalla.

He can cross the border to Valhalla.

He can smuggle people in.

You sure you want to get on his bad side?

I will leave the FBI, and I will take on this bloody Mexican if I have to

I don't care. I'm busy with

Hatton right now. I'm busy with the

know-how how to get into

Valhalla. Only Hino has the know-how to do

that. You got to vindicate him.

You're making him look stupid right now.

Look, I have to go go i have a stomach okay i have to go to the toilet i have to go the only place you're going to is hell you fat

faggot jesus christ gorilla gorky What's going on?

What is this?

Nothing, just mugging them.

Okay, there's a guy named

I don't even know what the fuck this guy's name is.

Go ahead.

Yeah, we're just talking about how white nationalism is just like all brown people who are larping.

And it's not really like a white thing, actually.

So, but let's let's um let's let's see i'm gonna bring up uh say do your yeah i tried bringing

them up i don't know what's going on but i don't know it's i don't know it's I feel bad for Nick Flentes he's looking retarded right now because he said that uh and then Candice Owens released the texts

I don't know it's not looking good for him.

This guy named Bradford.

Go ahead, Bradford. This LARPERS term real quick, gentlemen, ladies, if we are there, this is a new term I'm reading.

So you're saying the left are role-playing fantasy, uh, see here.

Fucking, uh,

fictional characters to actually

out blah, blah, blah.

Dialogue with, using

safe weapons, etc.

I'm going to mute is this correct

is this up there with grippers what what are we doing here took the words right out of my mouth go ahead uh this guy keeps requesting i don't know it's he keeps

disconnecting i don't know what's going on.

I mean, all I've been saying is that it's a, you know, the white nationalist, it's a brown ideology.

It's just one of the sub-variants of brown ideologies that exist.

And those are things.

And white nationalism is one of them.

You know? That's all I'm saying.

Actual white people vote for, you know, Pete Buttigieg or something.

Like the elite human, quote unquote, elite human capital white people you know that the one this with the A20 I mean not all of them but a lot of those people are Democrats and they just kind of voted for Kamala. I don't know.

They're just nice Democrats.

They would never be hateful.

So I don't know what's going on. We were to figure it out trying to get to the bottom of it

Massacre we're bringing Massacre back on hopefully he figured it out

Go ahead Massacre have you thought anything through

Or I keep trying to bring up John the frog

I don't know you kind of cut me off Were you trying to bring up the John the Frog I don't know, you kind of cut me off.

Were you trying to bring up?

Yeah, I don't know.

I saw this, uh,

about like,

Chinatowns.

And like, he said, like,

uh,

something like,

uh, he liked model minorities too much to be a white nationalist

um

okay and I kind of

like agree with that but like he also puts

sorry

he also like

points to like

like

the left's tendency to like

just completely deny

like any space for like

white people at all

like like I think it's like pretty sinister

like that like there can't be like

a European community or something like that like it's like pretty sinister. Like that, like, there can't be like a European community

or something like that.

Like, it's just weird. Yeah, but you know, the thing is

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, most of the white, most of the white stuff anti-white stuff comes from white people

and most of the pro-white stuff comes from brown people

I'm just trying to figure out what's going on

I agree I agree

I think that's true I mean like that's just my personal experience with it. But, like, it's still just, like, incredibly weird. Like, I don't understand how this pathology is kind of, like, developed. Like, that's like... I mean, it makes total sense to me. It's just a... It's like, you know, it's just a bunch

of white hipsters trying to feel special

and cool and they just kind of like

you know, oh, I'm not white, I'm exotic,

I'm something else. Oh, that's such a white

thing. Oh, you're so generic. You're not cool.

I guess it's just like so obvious how these

trends emerge.

And, you know, it's just like, oh, by distancing themselves from whiteness, they're like,

you know, they're showing themselves to be more tasteful and exotic and

refined and abstract

Yeah, Billy, where does that

fetishization like come from? I guess is like...

It's just the main... The more you can abstract yourself from

particularity, the more you become a universal

subject, that's

the whole thing.

And, you know, that's

what it is. It's just a type, it's a way

to abstract yourself from, you know,

the particularity of communal existence.

That's all it is.

I guess that kind of goes, like, back to, like, the Chinatown thing.

Like, how does that exist?

I guess it comes from that exoticness.

But, like, that's just, I don't know.

Chinatown exists because, I mean mean in America

or elsewhere

in the world

I guess

different groups

come

and they come

in a collective

capacity

rather individual

one

and you know, they bring

their, especially in America,

which is pretty

much a clean slate, you know.

I don't know what to say. I mean, what do you, I don't know what you mean.

I don't know. I just think it's weird that like white people haven't come, I guess, and like

done a thing like Chinatown. Like there isn't like... I mean, they did in history when they

came as Poles or they came as Italians or came as Irish. Oh, that's true. Yeah. So white in America is just a ubiquitous, you know, um, identity for like all the people that

just kind of became absorbed in this like national identity that doesn't, it's just American. That's the identity, right? So everything is America town in America technically, or that's how it's supposed to be. There's no need for this enclave because, like, the whole thing is supposed

to be

for Americans, you know?

Right, okay, I see.

So yeah, I guess the thing is more about

like, I mean, I've been to like, I went to Pennsylvania

and there was like a huge march for like, I think it was, like, the Fourth of July or something.

And that was, like, what I thought was, like, pretty American.

I guess, maybe I'm just so, I guess, normalized in America.

Like, I just don't realize it, like, American culture.

Like, I just don't see it.

I don't see the values.

I don't see, you know, I just like, I guess I feel like, I don't know,

I'm completely disconnected from, like, what I read about.

Like, what is America?

I mean, I live in the Midwest, so I kind of disagree.

I'm sure people in the South disagree, too.

I guess that's a much more confusing question, like on the East Coast, maybe.

Yeah, no, I... confusing question, like on the East Coast maybe? Yeah.

Yeah, no.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I guess that just kind of affected me.

Like, going to like a Fourth of July

Pride, sorry, not

Pride, and

I don't know. It's just like, it was so weird because it's like, wow, this is not how normal life is like.

But like, shouldn't it be?

Like in China, I mean, I'm sure they kind of like have some recognition of Chinese civilization and their culture

crime pills go ahead

yeah I think that there's

I just joined the discussion

so I missed the first

aspect of this but I think that

I don't like discussions I'm going to bring on John the first aspect of this. But I think that, like,

I don't like discussions.

I'm going to bring on John Frogman again.

Go ahead,

John Frogman's gone.

We're going to bring on John Connor.

The guy from Terminator?

Go ahead, John Connor.

What's going on bringing on anyone and everyone at this point kairos the

scream guy with the scary skull. What's going on?

What's up, brother?

And so what's on our mind today?

I'm kind of getting caught up.

I'm having some latency issues, so I'm just going to pause and just hang out.

Yeah, let me know when you figure it out.

John Connor, go ahead.

Energy of the universe.

Jesus Christ,

like people can't unmute yourself.

John Connor, go ahead.

I'm back, I'm back. I'm just kind of trying to figure out what you're saying.

There's a lot of brown Larpers that are acting as white nationalists,

apparently.

So, yeah, but there are real white people that are, you know,

aligning towards something that is common to them.

I think that's starting to become true because as the races have mixed more,

there have been more like combinations of different races where people are kind of looking a little more white than they're then they're 30% brown side you know they're they're just about getting like 60% 55% white and we're starting to see white nationalism grow among white people because, you know, white people are becoming more represented among the mixed populations.

Yeah, and you're right though, that America is at this point, at least with, you know, someone was born in 1985, I'm in the Midwest as well. You know, it does seem to be this multicultural place, and it's, you know, and in the Chicagoland area, I don't see a lot of white nationalism, but I've recently started looking into it a little bit more, and it does exist. And I don't like to, at this point, I treated it as a bad thing most of my life because that's just kind of how I was

brought up. But, you know, I don't, I don't think black people see the Black Panthers as being

bad, even if they're not part of them, you know? And that's how I kind of look at it at this point.

So, and I'm, I'm listening to you, too, so I'm not, I'm not totally on one side of you.

Can you tell me what third worldism is?

Can I tell you what third worldism is?

Could you enlighten me, please?

No, thanks.

Energy of the universe go ahead uh well i think that we need a history lesson of what the united states when it was created who created it and when it actually went to shit

and uh so i went to shit.

And so I went to shit in the Civil War when Lincoln was bought out by the Jew mafia that created

the Civil War. And then the purpose of the Civil War

really was just to create the 14th Amendment.

After Lincoln created the Civil War, they killed his ass.

The Jews then created the 14th Amendment, utilizing the military to create diversity in this country because it wasn't created with the mind of diversity, okay?

The first citizenship law states...

What's your ethnicity, by the way?

The first citizenship law states, people are citizens of the

United States but we're applying the

the racial

test

just as you would want in the country

and we're doing that for the space so you have to tell me

your 23 ame results right now before we

continue go ahead please

you're asking me for what no you're 23 and me your pedigree like um what proportion

oh i'm german irish english man and what else three that made the United States what else

that's it

I don't know

I don't know

I have a radar that detects these things

fire to the Civil War that's who it was

GROC says otherwise

GROC is

GROC is saying that you're something else as well.

No, well, oh, okay, I could be Viking, so I'm Norwegian.

Brock is actually telling me you're 35% Romani.

Who are you asking?

What name are you giving this for a...

It's 100% reliability.

It doesn't ever fail.

So you got to...

No, no, I'm nothing of the Eastern...

No.

That's what it's saying.

I'm not slavic at all, dude.

I'm Western, Northern European.

Well, it's saying otherwise.

So, well, anyway, let's go back on track.

I have my question.

You're saying that what happened is, uh, okay, let's go back on track. I have my question. You're saying that what happened is, okay, it's okay.

So you're saying that what happened is that the Jews freed the slaves,

and then everything got bad because...

No, no.

Well, the Jews created the slaves.

Okay.

The slavery was already

going to...

So can you tell me about the Jewish

mafia that backed Lincoln?

They went down

to Africa from Portugal.

Yeah, the Jews after being kicked out of Spain

went to Portugal, you know, the financiers

the bankers, then they

they

finance from Portugal

and 100 so I mean if you know Brazil

they speak

Portuguese. How old are you?

So it's obvious. How old are you? So it's obvious.

How old are you?

It's obvious.

It was the

You're cutting out, you got disconnect, and how old are you?

How old are you?

What?

You're 22.

Well, that's what my God tells me that I'll be 22 until I resolve the Jew problem.

So I'll have to be 22 to be able to do that.

Which I am, in my body and mind, I'm 22.

What about you?

How old are you? And what does that

what does that have a factor in which we're

talking about?

I mean, unless either one of us were

born 200 years ago,

other than that, I don't

think it has too much.

Who is the Jewish mafia that

funded Lincoln?

The financeers, the bankers,

the mafia. Which was? The ones that

put Jesus on the cross,

they're ancestors. The ones that put Jesus

on the cross, finance Lincoln to

free, to do what exactly?

Well, their ancestors. They weren't the exact same

ones, of course, because we're talking two thousand years later.

So name them. Name them. Every time, sometimes

people say, I won't name the Jews, but then

you won't name the Jews. You want me to name

of the Jews? Name the families.

Who are the Jews. Name the families. Whoever is the Jews.

God says whoever was fathered by Jacob,

he created the 12 tribes of

Israel.

So whoever's under the fucking

Jacob DNA

are the Jews.

And why should I...

So you were financed by the Jews.

Yeah, I know.

I'm controlled by the Jews like a son of a guy.

I don't like it.

I'm tired of it.

That's right.

You're right.

Well, I think you're Jewish yourself.

No, I'm not Jewish, bro.

I've heard this thing from it.

I'm German-Irish. You are.

And you are, because I just said you are.

So you are.

Oh, okay. Well, you sound like

a total retard, and I'm leaving this fucking sight.

Okay, well, good luck with that, but that's a very Jewish thing to say.

Hello, hello? Yeah, go ahead, Joe Groyper.

Hey, a buddy of mine said that you want to talk to Groyper's.

Like, what do you want to talk about?

First of all, are you a man or a woman?

I'm a man.

Oh, I couldn't tell from your voice.

That's not very nice.

Well, anyway,

why do you support

a Zionist

Brekazoid

movement?

What says he's a Zionist?

He runs cover

for Israel.

He does. He's... I don't know why he's doing that, but a lot of people don't like it.

Yeah, I've been grateful for the past like eight years, and it's kind of a schism in the movement

some people don't like what he's doing with the

how he's handling that ordeal.

Oh, I didn't know there were schisms.

I didn't know.

How interesting.

It's like low key.

Okay.

Like you can go to some of the Gwerp channels

that they're in the comments.

Let's bring on this one guy, the Groyper, this other one.

Where do you stand on the schism?

Hey, can you hear me?

Yeah.

Hey, uh-haz, I just want to tell you,

fuck you, you're dirty-ass Muslim motherfucker,

fuck niggers, fuck Jews, fuck communists.

And, uh, you say that from your keyboard as a tough guy?

No, I say that from my iPhone.

Yeah, you say that from your iPhone.

And what's your goal here? Aren't you five foot three?

What's the goal here?

You fucking midget.

I'm taller than your leader.

I'm taller than your supreme leader.

Yes, I am.

Who's that, Nick Forintus?

Yep.

I think Nick is verified 5'9.

You're about 5'2 or 5 foot 3.

He is absolutely not 5.9.

He's 5.6.

I'm 2 inches taller than your Supreme.

No, you're not.

You're a fucking midget.

You're a brown midget from Syria.

Okay.

I am confirmed taller than your

Supreme Leader.

That makes you my bitch,

according to your logic.

No.

No, no, no.

You're inbred Muslim motherfucker. I'mlim motherfucker taller than your supreme leader

and because there's retires like this who everyone fucking hates like he's like 40 IQ at most

like we don't like wow even the gripper's going to fuck with you wow and fucking pussy well you're a retard you don't know shit

like you would sudden Nick's cock

if he was right in front of you

who's talking

Joe Groyper?

Yeah I've been a group of the past eight years

with people like you come in the movement

are absolutely retards

probably unlike welfare and think that you're the master like you come in the movement are absolutely retards probably

unlike welfare and think that you're the master race like come on

dude this bullshit get out of our movement

you feel me no I don't feel you I'm not a faggot

so you talk like this in real life or just on the internet?

Both.

Oh, really?

Where's the proof?

That I just said it.

Can you show us your face then, or are you scared?

No, I'm not going to show my face.

I never docks myself to a communist. Then why would you talk shit to a communist if you're not going to show you my face. I never docks myself to a communist.

Then why would you talk shit to a communist if you're not going to show yourself?

Because it's fun.

Because it's fun.

Oh, is it fun?

Is that what it is?

Yeah, it is.

Goreter-Nigger.

Let me entertain it.

Hold on.

Let me entertain it.

Yeah, yeah. You're some absolute pussy coming on and just chatting shit with no skin in the game. Why should I care? What does that mean to me?

Because you're engaging with me right now, idiot.

I'm aware. I'm trying to ask the question of what you're trying to get on.

Yeah, I just answer the question.

I just answer your question.

Can you not follow anything?

What are you accomplishing here?

What's the goal?

What's you accomplishing?

The piss faggots like you off.

I would say I'm pretty much the same as I was

before you came on in terms of my temperament.

Yeah, you're 5'3-brown

and a Muslim.

That just has no effect

on me. I don't know what the goal is.

Okay. Yeah, you have like a 40 IQ.

You're inbred.

Can you try some more?

Because these are not working, buddy.

Yeah, they probably can get through your thick.

So your goal is to make me angry.

And how would you say you're doing as far as that?

Pretty good, considering you're still talking to me well i'm using you for content i'm trying to get squeeze as much content as i can out of me nigga

you have 83 listeners right now 83 listeners. Okay.

And you're one of them.

So congratulations.

Yeah.

I'm trashing your ass, bitch.

How are you doing that?

You have no skin in the game.

You're literally a disembodied voice on the internet.

For all I know, you could be AI.

How do I even know?

How do I know if you're even a real person at this point?

Like, you could be AI, for all I know.

You could be fucking Sora 3 or something. Why did you leave, you fucking pussy you absolute bitch so that's what it looks like to

just dominate and absolutely fucking destroy one of these people uh john frogman you're back

yeah these people. John Frogman, you're back.

You know, if you want to talk to a rogue reaper, here I am. These infiltrators,

they're coming up. Obviously, they're retards.

Let John Frogman speak. Go ahead, Frogman.

What up? I'm back, nigger.

So you sound like

you sound like

you just chowed down

a few whoppers.

You sound like a really

fat fuck.

Am I right?

I haven't eaten in

five days

and I do CrossFit.

Groyperendinga is my

best homie

and we will bury you underneath

the prison once we get the discord

servers unlocked

Okay you are to blame for

Charlie Kirk's death

When is this going to happen? What's to blame for Charlie Kirk's death.

When is this going to happen?

What's the timeline?

When?

The timeline is that in, what is that?

Hold on, let me check with my buddies in the back room.

Yeah.

You know, they're doing the whole Zuckerberg thing.

The social network where they have nerds in the back room that are just hacking.

Okay.

What's the timeline?

The timeline?

Hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on. Hey, chow!

Chew! Hey, Chow! What, when?

17 feet. Okay, cool. So, in 17 weeks, I'm sorry, we don't have the best. We're using H1Bs. So they're not going to be the best hackers. We're trying our best.

Did you get those from Cashman? I'm going to deport him as soon, as soon as we can.

Okay. You know, we want all the foreigners out.

That includes all Muslims and...

John, would you say you have a lisp?

Because I'm detecting one.

No, I have a smoker voice because I

smoke unfiltered cigarettes. You have very

strong S's and it's very flamboyant and

feminine. It's very listening.

Well, because I'm from the state of Delaware,

how dare you make fun of

my ethnic accent?

I don't think that's an ethnic. I don't think that's an ethnic,

I don't think that's an ethnic accent.

I think that's a sign of low testosterone and gyno.

No, I mean, I do have low testosterone.

I have a small penis.

But, you know, I am

an American, and you're

not. So,

you know, a low T. American

versus a

Muslim. I mean,

I mean, come on. Who gives a shit?

We will deport you.

How does it make you feel when I say this is my country?

I'm saying that.

Like, I'm out in the open, brazenly saying that, by the way.

I know.

I'm saying that we will deport you.

I'm here.

I want to be clear about it. Like, I'm here as a conqueror. Like, I'm not asking your permission. I'm saying that we will deport you. Like, I'm here, no, no, I want to be clear about it.

Like, I'm here as a conqueror.

Like, I'm not asking your permission.

I'm literally here as a...

No, no, no.

I'm saying is that I understand you're here as a conqueror and many Americans accept you, but we're going to deport you.

How?

Like, I'm literally here.

I'm here out in the open, brazenly challenging you to do something about it.

What are you going to do?

I know.

And just like, do you think it hurts my feelings?

Do you think it hurts my feelings to hear that like, oh, I don't like you.

I don't feel like you're welcome.

Like, I don't know if you've watched, like, Libtar movies where, like, there's a brown guy who, like, starts crying that he doesn't feel welcome.

Like, I don't, that's like propaganda.

Like, I straight up don't care how you feel.

Like, I'm here.

There's nothing you can do about it.

I was born here.

I feel absolutely entitled to this land.

And there's like literally nothing you can do about it.

No, I know that you were born here.

No, no, but like, but like, I don't need to justify it to you.

Like, I'm straight up telling you, I feel like this is my shit.

I know.

Is what I'm saying is that it's not your shit and we will deport. But I'm here out and proud.

What are you going to do about it?

Like, what are you going to do about it?

Straight up.

We will deport you.

How?

Even if you're going to do about it straight up? We will deport you. How? Even if...

How we're going to amend the Constitution?

You're not going to do anything.

You're going to stay in your basement and eat chicken nuggets and chalky milk and you're

going to do nothing, like the little bitch you are.

How dare you, sir?

I live in a state where...

That's where you're not going to do anything.

You literally won't do anything by the way you know even if you did deport me and you were successful in doing that which you wouldn't i just

come back i still come back i know you're a cockroach just like Hassan.

I mean, is that supposed to hurt my feelings?

What do you...

I mean, I'm here.

I'm not going anywhere.

It's a statement of fact that you are not a human.

You're a cockroach.

I don't know what your goal is by saying that.

Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?

I literally see you as subhuman.

It's a statement of fact that we will...

Hold on. Let me just get this straight.

You are a low-tie,

gyno-ridden,

sub-human, who's not even a man. You're basically, like, less than a eunuch.

You're sitting here talking this shit. Like, how is that supposed to make me feel? I don't see you as human. I literally see you as like the epitone. I am a low testosterone, small

penis man, but I am American, which means my life is worth

more than yours, and we will deport you. Okay. How will you

deport me? Back straight. I mean, come on. How are you going to deport me?

We will amend the...

Not, scratch that.

We're going to eliminate the Constitution.

Okay.

And then everyone with a certain...

Scratch that.

How are you going to do that?

Like, how are you going to get to the point of being able to do that?

Can you explain it?

Yeah, so Nick Frentes and Baron Trump will become dictators of America.

And then we're going to remove the Browns.

Nick Frentz and Barron Trump.

We're going to remove kebab. It's like, who is that guy in New Zealand?

We're going to remove kebab.

It'll be really funny.

And how's that going to happen? When is that going to happen? And how?

I mean, it's going to happen the same way that the communists will take over America.

We just exist in the world of fantasy.

So, I mean, I don't know.

If we're all just playing make-believe...

I'm not making promises about how what we're going to do when we seize powers, sir.

You're the one doing that.

No, we know what you're going to do because

the ACP killed Charlie Kirk

because you deleted all of your servers.

So we know what you guys are

doing and you support some

Nick named Candice because

she's taking the

blame off of you guys

and apparently

she's convinced the FBI and everyone

else as well

who are who are in this

no she admitted

that she was wrong

because she's a nigg.

Are you scared of black people in real life?

No, no.

I've gone up.

I have several black neighbors.

I call them niggers all the time, especially.

I once went, actually, it is kind of a funny story here.

I hope everyone listens.

I was walking around my black neighborhood.

I'm tall with the town.

What's up, bro.

Appreciate it.

I'm white.

I'm poor.

I'm a dude.

So I live in a black neighborhood.

And I was walking around

and one of my neighbors, his name was Reggie.

His name is Reggie.

He's one of the older black guys.

And I walked past him.

He has a Bluetooth speaker out in his front yard because, you know, black people.

And he's like, yo, cracker, what up?

And I'm like, nigger, what did you call me?

And the two of us just kind of freeze.

Because I just called him a nigger.

And you know how black

people are, how brown people are,

really is that they, you know,

they're irrational when they hear

a word that upsets them.

He started laughing because, you know, older blacks,

they're not offended by that kind of stuff.

So he and I just hung out for a little bit, smoked a couple of cigarettes.

None of it left.

So now I'm not afraid to call you brown to your face.

I'm also not afraid to call a black guy a nigger.

Because, you know,

I think that...

Words don't scare me.

If your story is correct, I think he thought you were mentally retarded.

Because you sound that way even to me.

No, you sound like a brown midget.

I'm six foot and white, and you're 5-2 and brown.

Are you also like jacked like Arnold and you're this really tough guy, because you're anonymous, you can be anything you want.

Yeah, I am anonymous because freaks like you would docks me because, you know, you're brown freaks and Jews mostly you're Jews

because communism is Jewish

Thank you but thank you for saying

they're my Jews because it really shows

like who's in charge right?

That's the kind of funny thing is that you say that they're your Jews

you're basically affirming that the Jews are the kind of funny thing is that you say that they're your Jews.

You're basically affirming that the Jews are the servants of the Islamic caliphate, so I appreciate that.

I know.

It's about time people knew the Jews are just the Ottoman agents.

They're not the ones in charge remove kebob that is correct

okay

well I'm glad you admit that

the ottoman is much stronger than the Jew

uh anyway

I kind of feel like there was some stolen valor

going on

but I know I'm not

I'm just a white guy

and you're just a brown midget.

So you're saying

you're just a white guy, right? That's all you have going

for you? Yeah, pretty much.'s all you have going for you?

Yeah, pretty much.

That means I'm better than you.

So, yeah.

Okay.

And what is that supposed to mean to me?

It's supposed to mean that you and all that follow you

that includes the mud sharks

and brown fags like

Hinkle

will be deported

to some other

Oh yeah you already said that, so...

Probably, I can express that.

To Western Sahara, we'll recognize it,

and then we'll send you all there.

But what right do you have to control America's policies when you're Jewish?

Well, I'm not Jewish.

Yes, you are.

No, you're Jewish.

I'm pretty sure I'm white.

I thought my 23, but I'm pretty sure you're white.

But I'm pretty sure you're Jewish.

So it looks like we have a, we have an irresolvable disagreement here. I think you're Jewish. So it looks like we have a, we have an irresolvable disagreement here.

I think you're Jewish. What's your name again? It's Haas Aldin? Right.

Yeah. Okay. So my name is

Pennsylvania Dutch

and Scotch Irish

Obviously, I won't tell you

Because you brown-free...

Yeah, you won't tell me because you're Jewish.

No, because...

Yeah, you won't tell me

because it's a Jewish name. No, we... Yeah, you won't tell me because it's a Jewish name.

No, we're going to destroy Israel.

No, you are Israel.

You probably went on a birthright tour.

You probably were not...

I think I know what happened.

And then we're going to destroy the Mohammedans.

You went on a birthright tour and then they, the eugenics, Israel, the Jewish overseers, they said, this guy is literally retarded and fat. We don't want him breeding with our Jews in Israel because they're going to just dilute our pool.

So you were the only Jew who was sent back from birthright, back to America.

So you were just in this awkward position and you're like, okay, I'm just going to become a Groyper now.

So you're a self-hating Jew

because even eugenic Israel

rejected you and they

say your sub 100 IQ

without saying your sub

100 IQ

I get it that you're brown and that

critical thought

is difficult for you

but I am white

but also I don't need to

you know, I don't need to defend that I'm white

you're literally just

a negroid

who joined the

ACP and we will

deport all of you

and then we will destroy

Do you have anything to say

besides laughably empty threats?

Oh yeah. Okay.

I want to explain why I left the Communist Party.

I actually was a member of the ACP back in college.

I really want to explain.

What year did you leave?

Why did I leave?

Okay.

What year?

What year?

I left in 2019.

Okay.

You left the ACP in 2019.

Really?

Tell me more.

I was an active in the next time member of the ACP in 2019.

Yeah.

2019.

No, I'm serious.

No, I'm legit serious. It's kind of funny. Yeah. 2019. No, I'm serious. No, I'm legit serious.

It's kind of funny.

Yeah, no, I totally...

In 2019...

Yeah.

So in 2019,

I was really disenfranchised.

I mean, after the 2016 election, I couldn't vote for Trump because I was 17. I was really disenfranchised. I mean, after the 2016 election,

I couldn't vote for Trump because I was 17,

so I couldn't vote at the time.

I was a big Trump supporter.

And then I watched how he...

So we're just going to wrap it up there.

2019, guys.

He was in ACP in 2019.

Unbelievable.

Somebody's activists.

Free everyone from oppression, including animals. Oh, I'd love to bring this person on. Go ahead, activist. Why do you think people should be allowed to fuck chickens? Go ahead.

Okay, activist is quite silent.

Sorry?

Why do you love chicken so much?

Um,

what exactly do you mean by that?

I don't have sex with animals.

You said free everyone from oppression,

including animals.

Sorry, say that again again you said free everyone from oppression

including animals

yeah I'm I'm like a vegan

what do you think about pet

ownership should Hassan be allowed to

zap his dog?

I'm not too familiar with what happened with Asan, but I don't think he's abusing his dog.

Do you think people should be allowed to have pets?

Yeah.

Why?

It's slavery, according to you. Oh, no, I don't think that it's oppression how is it not oppression

how did the animal consent okay if you're looking at um dog it dogs it's different um why because because dogs and cats they have a you know they've been uh through like evolution um their brains are sort of wired to get joy and get joy from their human owners.

What if someone made you a pet, would you be happy?

I mean, but we have hierarchies.

All right.

Let's say you're walking and you accidentally step on a bug.

What did you just do?

Listen, listen. I'm not like a full militant, vegan.

Like, I'm not.

But why not? I don't get it.

Why not? Because I'm new to it.

I'm new to it.

You know, I just, this is the way I think.

I'll tell you the way I think.

If I'm not the type of person to like, you know, kill the animal in front of me and eat it, right?

Because I'm not.

And I feel like, you know... I just don't care.

It's just such a boring.

I just like the most boring shit I've ever heard.

Jimmy the Otter.

What the hell is going on?

Jimmy the Otter.

Go ahead, Jimmy the Otter. Jesus Christ, he disconnected.

Well, you know um we we haven't gotten any closer to understanding sad man go on x click my profile and join the space and request

sad man

if that's what you want to do if you or you can get in my

Discord

I actually prefer Discord but you know people

X is just better for a lot of people

apparently

I was being in my Discord.

I was banned like two years ago.

Probably, I don't know.

Probably not.

Well, I've been cool, right?

I mean, you probably have been for a good reason.

Anyway, um...

Hey, can I

DM me my

Discord name?

Anything about it?

Oh, yeah,

give me 20 subs

and I'll think about it.

All right, I'll do that.

I'm not a groper, by the way.

I'm a fake groper.

Okay.

I'll get you a subs though.

For sure.

Yeah.

I'm a long-time ACP fan.

Okay.

So, okay. Okay. yeah i'm a long time acp fan so okay interesting

so um yeah anyway i wanted to say that

uh white nationalism it's just um

i i you know i i've been to white places.

I just don't see these types walking around.

I think it's a lot of brown people with inferiority complexes and who oftentimes are mixed

that's a big thing as well. It causes confusion

and they're like whose side do I have to choose

and sometimes some choose

one side and then if they choose the white side

they just got to go all in on it.

And then you've got the whole

like conquistador thing where like

there are people that come from South America

and Mexico and Central America

and they're like thinking about their identity.

And they're like, I come from conquistadors or like the Philippines.

And they're like, okay, so Christian nationalism, white nationalism.

I don't know.

It's just like a strange thing.

It's very strange.

And people say I'm brown and they say I'm a third worldist and they say these things.

But then, you know, brutal truth bombs, he made a tweet where he's talking about everyone's reaction to Hassan Piker Gate, the dog gate.

And I, he's like, I'm a third worldist now.

He's like, what's this dog worship?

What's going on?

And then I thought, I'm like, you know, this is an interesting line of thought.

It's interesting interesting because it's like

how am I supposed to relate to outrage

over dogs by people who

like have zero

complete indifference

to human life.

How am I supposed to take it seriously?

And then they say, well, it's because you're a

Muslim and you're brown and you don't get it.

What do I not get? I, you know, I didn't watch enough

air bud growing up.

I I didn't watch enough airbud growing up. I did watch Airbud.

I thought it was cringe.

I thought it was for, like, cringe retards, and a lot of other people did.

Like, I thought it was corny.

None of the cool kids were like that.

None of the cool kids were like that. None of the cool kids bought into that.

Like the dog humor and shit?

Like, sure, everybody likes their dog.

Why wouldn't they?

But what's going on?

This weird pet worship.

People say, oh, this is just American culture.

No, I think it's...

I think it's the same...

There's outrage over Hassan's dog for the same reason porn is flooding X.

It's low...

Low energy stimuli stimuli like your immediate

first impression

because everyone does like dogs

so you see an image of a dog

and you're like oh that's my pet

and it's how deeply you're thinking about it

and it's just like, you know,

same thing with X with the porn shit, you know,

and the only fan stuff.

It's like, okay, men, we see things, we like it,

and you don't think about the long-term consequences

of the feedback loops and whatever, it's like it's the same thing

with the dog stuff it's like it's a very low IQ behavior to just see his clips of hasan's dog

and assuming that he's shocked

oh my god this is the worst thing it's like

yeah it's the worst thing

in the world because

you're a fucking

it's the same reason in Hollywood

they'll put in a dog in the movie

for retarded audiences to eat, oh, it's a dog, oh, it's so relatable.

It's like just such a stupid, low IQ reaction to external stimuli, to completely condition you in any

which way.

Like, you know why the Jews are not all powerful?

If the Jews were all powerful,

the IDF would be fucking dogging it up.

They would just put dogs in all their propaganda.

They'd be, look at the heckin paparinos in the IDF.

Bark, bark!

The heck and paparinos in the IDF. Bark, bark! The heck in paparinos in the IDF.

The freaking paparinos.

Invading Gaza and like everyone would overlook it.

Oh, the paparinos.

It's like, okay, you're a fucking retard.

Okay.

You can do that. Just stay

out of politics. Stay out of anything

serious. Go

ahead, uh, whatever your name is.

My name's, uh,

try. Yeah, um,

basically I would just like to give my take

on the sort of dog situation.

Basically, I, well, I'm British, but like, I'm brown, basically.

So I've encountered this sort of um pathology quite a lot basically

thing is when it comes to dogs you have to understand first and foremost that the dog is the white man's best friend

okay so once you once you understand the dog is the white man's best friend.

Okay?

So once you understand that,

then it kind of just like falls more into place.

And I feel there's this sort of distinction

between like,

I don't think it's

essentially just restricted to white people, but I feel there's like two types of people, right?

Like you were saying earlier where you kind of want to, like there's some people that want to domesticate the animal and have it like, you know, on a collar, you know, castrate them, et cetera, and et cetera. But then there's like a other group of people that's like, oh, well, you, you'd be better off, you know, letting it live free, you know,

living in, like the distinction between living in harmony with nature and these animals, and

as opposed to completely domesticating and subjugating them, you know? And so I feel like, like the,

the white man having the dog as his best friend, it's like, it's like he wants to have dominion

over it in a way that's just like completely, you know, it is like slavery in a way, you know, like, that's just like completely you know it is like slavery in a way you know like that's

why I'm opposed to owning pets um and I just like to like all going to zoos for example

it must sound like tree hugger but it's just not really I prefer to look at it in the wild and then keep it moving, you know.

Um, sorry, but who asked?

I just figured I would give my perspective on it.

Wait, didn't you just ask?

No, I didn't.

Okay, my bad then.

Okay. okay interesting

very interesting very interesting Um, I think people like to have dogs as pets, and that's fine.

I just, I just think people need to cool it with the narcissism.

That's all.

Just stop being a fucking narcissist.

Stop assuming that the, like, feedback that your dog gives you in your day-to-day life,

it gives you profound insight into politics and rights and, you know.

Like, here's, you know, where I, you know, I have, you know, like, there's some people that own pit bulls, and you know what?

Do I have to say which gender

has this problem

where you own a pit bull

and the pit bull will go and tear a

child's head off and she'll be like

oh the kid was giving my pucker a bad vibe

like okay And she'll be like, oh, the kid was giving my pupper a bad vibe.

Like, okay, I just said the gender.

Like, okay, you see?

Like, okay, straight up.

Like, I'm, it's a thing straight up it's a thing like a lot of it's a type of psychosis among many middle-aged women where they have pit bulls the pit bulls go

like rip

a child's head off

and they'll be like

oh that kid was

giving my pupper

a bad vibe

he would never harm anyone

and it's like

yeah I'm not even saying i'm necessarily against pit bulls i'm just saying

you gotta you gotta like train your dogs you can't just say oh well the if my dog doesn't

like you it's because you're bad vibes. Hey, if you want to

live in a civilized society, you have a responsibility to, like, make sure your dog is not

killing people. Why is that crazy for me to say, by the way? It shouldn't be crazy for me to say.

I'm not even saying I'm for banning pit bulls.

I don't even know enough about it.

And you know what?

I'll fucking go ahead and say something.

I want to get a pit bull.

If I ever got a dog, it would be a pit bull.

It'd be a big, mean, scary pit bull if I ever got a dog for the record.

But, and I've thought about that so i'm not against them i'm against this like stupid narcissistic delusion about pets and animals that a lot of people have where they're like my paparina would never harm anyone but you're not actually taking steps to ensure that's the case through proper training you're just doing it purely based on vibes you can do that in your own home but when it comes to being in public, you have a responsibility to make sure

other people are safe, including children.

Why is that crazy for me to say?

I don't know.

I'm not against dogs.

I'm not even against pit bulls.

I'm just against irresponsible dog owners.

That's it.

I'm against the crazy psychosis and narcissism that has befallen pet owners in America.

That's what it is.

That's not an outrageous thing to say.

Go ahead, Joseph.

Hey, I just wanted to say

I love tuning into the space.

I always enjoy your perspective.

Pretty new to

fairly new to X and I wasn't even aware that there was an American

Communist Party until I started listening to your spaces. But to make the discussion on dogs and pets,

I think we can bring it closer to some of the stuff you talked about before.

By the way, somebody mentioned LICA in my chat.

I want to actually get to the bottom of this.

The Soviet Union was 1 million percent justified in sending Lika to space.

And the reason that wasn't animal cruelty is it was a profound honor for a fucking dog

to be like the first...

Oh, that's fascinating.

Yeah.

Why do you, why, no, no, why is there this anthropomorphic assumption that animals have the same relationship to death that, by the way, uncultured humans do?

Like, what if dogs want to die for a good reason? How do you know? And even if they don't know, it's objectively the case. So if you have vibes and so much, you know, Lika died for all, not just, all mankind, all of the earth, all humanity. What an honorable way to go.

So many dogs die for stupid meaningless reasons.

Even old age is a stupid meaningless

reason. Lyca served a purpose.

And if Lika knew the purpose, they would

support. I mean, you know, people who's demon, they hate Russia for doing that, I just, that's what boggles my mind.

You know, there's a difference between...

I mean, Russell was amazing for doing that.

And, you know, they honored that dog.

They built statues for Laika. honored likea they and how many how many how many

dogs get statues ever are immortalized like that right yeah but uh so during COVID, basically there were moratoriums on evictions, moratoriums on foreclosures.

So with foreclosures, that's where we get to the land issue.

So basically people could live in their houses without paying their mortgage under the

continuous threat of the banks coming to steal their homes once the moratoriums were lifted.

So they eventually did lift the moratoriums and then the court starts processing the foreclosures again

and then actually when you look at like the animal uh protection agencies or like the animal

rights agencies the uh i don't know what the word, non-animal rights, but like animal rehabilitation

places and stuff like that, they started seeing a wave of pet euthanasia because at this point,

people are having to choose between now do we try to save our home and pay off the default

to the bank or do we pay our pets medical expenses

most rational people are going to try to keep their homes

so a bunch of people had to put their pets to death

when they opened the courts back up.

And, you know, I find that devastating

because, you know, in America, it's true that

sometimes dogs and pets, that's the glue

that keeps families together in a lot of ways.

You know,

it's a joy of life,

and it's a thing that people bond around,

and there's so many memories,

and, you know, especially childhood.

I think it's fucked up that people have to put their pets down

because they can't pay for it.

You know, it's just, you know,

I'm not unreasonable.

I'm not a hater of animals.

No, right, right.

Right, absolutely.

I just wanted to, you know, I don't know if that's really a political issue because, and that guy before, that vegan guy or whatever, there actually is, there is a philosopher at Rutgers, Gary Francione, who does stake the position that he

wants to abolish property status for animals.

So pets wouldn't be people's property,

which is reaching the point of absurdity.

Yeah, I think that's absurd.

I think that's pretty crazy to me.

I'm pretty

reasonable about this whole thing.

I think, I'm the

type of person that says it's absolutely

culture. And that's why

I don't, you know, China and U.LIN

one place where they do that.

It's only one place in China.

It's the Yulin Festival where, you know, they eat dogs.

Hey, that might offends your senses, but you have to respect it's a different culture.

Straight up, no, really.

Like, we cows really, like we,

we,

we pigs are considered

to be very intelligent

as far as mammals go.

I think pigs are more

intelligent than dogs.

And then we eat

cows,

which are pretty intelligent

actually,

and Indians worship them or some of them do.

So it's like, you know, what can you say?

This is, it's culture.

It's not the same thing as a human being, absolutely.

But just a comment on the white mess. I in my own personal life like on my mom's side of the family

they weren't like white nationalists but they were very racist very uh well look everybody's racist it's

just how racist you know right right you don't they would say things

they would say some severe things i think to kind of scare my mom when she was younger you know like

we're these tough guys, we've done

these things to black people or

whatever, but... I don't look, I'll tell you

something, every immigrant group that comes to

America's racist. For sure,

they're all

racist. You don't think brown people are racist?

They absolutely are. Everybody's racist. It just depends on how much.

I think the worst type of racism, you know, all the, if you read about the actual academic, you know, structural, systemic racism, when you think about the term like systemic racism and who that actually applies to, it doesn't apply to white people who have bigoted views or are insensitive.

It actually applies most to sanitized,

you know, politically correct institutions which are premised upon this kind of liberal rejection

of particularity in favor of like an abstract

formalist universalism

and that is where the mechanism

of the you know

quote unquote systemic racism is

it's not

it's not when white people

are bigots or

everyone has these um right that's that's like

subjective racism or whatever absolutely that's so that's a subjective racism and subjective racism

i got a question for you guys i don't like you like to uh you know go into things intellectually yeah you know uh so here's a question for you highest. I know like you like to, you know, go into things intellectually.

Yeah.

You know,

so here's a question.

Where do you draw the,

how would you define,

I know what racism is,

but what would you-

Long guy.

Where does mental health

and personality disorders

in regards to racism

I start and word is the end

I'll just finish the thought sir

I just think like you know you talk to

some of these gropers and it just seems like

the racism is either

you know done

to attract you know, done to attract,

you know,

people with mental health problems.

Like,

basically it's like the misery.

That's all I see it as.

I see it as,

exactly.

It's like,

it's like the bar owner that doesn't drink,

but it serves alcohol just to rake in people into his business.

Just like...

I see it as...

I just see it as nihilism.

When you talk about real racism,

real...

I agree with Dugan on this.

Real racism is like civilizational racism.

Real racism is not the notion that others are inferior. Real racism is the

denial that others even exist and that everyone somehow lives in your world only, and there's only one.

To me, that's real racism.

Real racism is the inability to understand that you're not the center of the world.

The inability to even comprehend that other people with completely different civilizations, with a completely different way of looking at the world exists and uh that's the real racism to me the real racism

is not the way in which you look at another,

because if you can at least recognize others exist,

then you've gone beyond what I consider racism.

But if you don't recognize that they exist,, you're subordinating their existence to your

self-centered worldview. I think that's kind of racism to me. So, like, real racism,

you know, real racism is premised upon a type of subjectivity that is non-racial.

So racialization is basically for people to be racialized is for them to partake in an existence that is, that doesn't require or depend upon, you know, um, institutions. And, you know, racial qualities are qualities that,

not, they're not just like biological or physical. They're qualities, like, cultural, but in ways that are spontaneous and not premised by contracts and institutions and whatever.

And rationalism.

So racism depends on the absence of racial status for the subject.

So, for example, the white racialist outlook treats white people not as a race, but as a people untouched by any race.

They are non-racialized. They're not a race.

They're a race defined only by the fact that they're not a race, right?

And that's just bourgeois. It's just the bourgeoisie. It's their racialization of the bourgeoisie. That is what it is, you know, because the white proletariat and the white peasantry of Europe absolutely were people that belong to races, they had traditions, they had culture, they had some kind of existence that was not

institutional. That's the real white people, you know, and the bourgeoisie is, thinks of itself

is universal and it doesn't want to be a race. It wants to be something beyond race, you know. So that's what i'd say

uh clause go ahead uh clause go ahead uh yeah so i don't know just from hearing that i was interesting but i don't know, just from hearing that, that was interesting,

but I don't know if I agree with your idea of, like,

white identitarian or white nationalist movements.

And that's because, you know, you look at many of these movements, many of them do just define themselves as just being not like the others. That is true. I see, I do see that. But there are also defining characteristics of the European.

And yes, there's different subgroups, but there is a broader ethnic and cultural landscape there.

You have the kind of the Faustian kind of spirit there.

That's what Richard Spencer said when I first debated him. He said the Faustian kind of spirit there. That's what Richard Spencer said when I first debated him.

He said the Faustian spirit and combination of Apollo and Dionysus.

I'm not even going there because I don't even, I'm not like a neo-pagan or anything. But it's the Faustian thing, that doesn't

even rely on the Apollonian thing.

It's just the, you know, the spirit of

this kind of rationalistic expansion,

this kind of value of, there is an individual

element to it compared to like Asianian or russian societies but that's

not more collective that's not a race that's the just the bourgeoisie as a class and it applies

you no it it is no it doesn't because other cultures which overlap with race

these intrinsic things like you talked about

you talked about it's not even just

genetic there's intrinsic

you know vibes there's intrinsic

values there these are some of those

um no no not

correlate to asian in the same way.

That's not an intrinsic quality, though.

That's an extrinsic institutional reality.

How is that institutional?

Because the rationalism that you're talking about is premised upon the bourgeoisie, the town dwellers, and their drive for expansionism and rational order and so on, that these were institutions.

This was a specific way of looking at the world that first began from a dominance of towns over countries within

Europe over the country within Europe so you had these small towns where the

the the town dwellers the bourgeois they would congregate and they would

increasingly seek a type of autonomy over the monarchies, you know, at the expense of the majority rule population and the rule existence people found themselves in.

So, I mean, I reject the idea this is intrinsic racial quality. The intrinsic racial qualities of European peoples, you know, the ones that you can observe at the village levels of how people are dancing and they're feasting and they look no different than brown people. You look at the middle ages you look at the songs strongly disagree oh really analyze wrongly look at a basic analysis of a

medieval European village look at reconstructions of the clothing the songs the

food they would eat their habits and all these kind of things, and you will find they were ethnic. They were no different than brown people.

I mean, in ethnic in what sense? You mean they had like a local identity? It wasn't just this pan-y. They were dancing around in circles, and they were doing all these brown things that are not associated with white people today.

Dancing around in circles is not necessarily brown.

They had their own ritual.

They absolutely had brown-sounding music that almost sounded like

Middle Eastern.

I don't know about that one.

They were not listening to it.

They weren't listening to it.

They weren't listening to it.

It doesn't make you brown.

They weren't listening to it.

Buddy, they were not listening.

It's hard to believe at this time, but at

one time, whites were not these like atheistic materialists. They actually did have religious faith and stuff. It's not even about religion. The racial qualities of European people in the Middle Ages, they had all the qualities that are associated with uh... with

brown people today absolutely they were folk people they were uh... they you know

they weren't dominated by uh... the rational mind they were more more by the

heart

more by their intuitions more by their intuitions, more by their spontaneous impulses.

And they ate with their hands.

They ate with their hands.

So, yeah, their instruments literally came from the Orient.

And it was not until bourgeois civilization that we get this notion of whiteness that is identified with, you know, refinement and abstraction and whatever the faustian thing you're talking about i mean even

during like you're because you're talking about like medieval catholic europe i mean even during

that it was more even then it was i mean it was more there was more intuition

yeah

it was more

I guess what's the word

superstitious

that's true

and that's the characteristic

of an early civilization

that hasn't yet advanced

but there was

it was more individualistic

it was more rational you look at the Catholic Church it was more individualistic. It was more rational.

You look at the Catholic Church.

It was not more individualistic.

It was more so than like an Asian society.

No, it wasn't.

Like almost like an astronaut.

No, the difference between Asian societies was not felt that strongly by an individual. It was felt in the terms of the structure. So what you had, you had more of a kind of distribution of power versus a centralized oriental desperate. You had various feudal lords that had manners, and they had serfs working.

The serfs were not individuals.

They were tied to the land.

They were like slaves.

That was the majority of people.

But you had more of a dispersion of feudal lords and whatnot,

uh, this way and which reflected the oligarchical nature of the West.

I mean,

well, really,

the,

the,

the thing that distinguishes Europe from the rest of the world has nothing to do with race

I mean the difference between the European

who's a

Gaelic or something

versus a Balkan

Balkanoid versus an Anatolian versus

11th versus

you know even someone in india

or persia

there are differences sure but it's the same

it's not like this profoundly

qualitative disruptive historical

difference a difference between a persian

and a you know

11thine and an Anatolian,

or that,

that was the kind of level of difference

we're talking about. The, the

disjuncture between east and

west was not

a rupture between races.

It was a rupture between a structure of how uh wealth and power was

accumulating in the east you had centralized you know so-called asiatic mode of production you had

so-called orientental despotism.

You had common ownership of land.

You had centralization of power.

And you had mechanisms in place that ensured creditors could not come to dominate the entire fabric of life and existence.

Now, that trend started to reverse first in Greece.

Now, the ancient Greeks were no different phenotypically than the Persians or the Anatolians

or people that were in the Mediterranean.

But they developed oligarchical tendencies

that made them a creditor-based kind of civilization

that was founded upon the dominance of creditors

over centralized rulers

and oligarchical tendencies taking hold and defining civilization and statehood.

So this is why you have, even in antiquity, you have an East-West distinction.

You have a more fragmented, pluralistic

quote-unquote, more quote-unquote democratic

West in Greece

versus, you know, the Soviet Union, which is the Persian Empire.

Okay. So this

this is what, it's completely arbitrary that that the fragmentary westernizing tendency

let's call it actually went west versus going east completely arbitrary but that's what happened um which italy and rome um furthered and

deepened this tendency that began in greece literally by the way borrowing it's it's, it, it, it, and then, uh, from Italy, um, from Rome came the Franks and the Goths and the Vandals and the Germanics and the Gauls to the north and feudalism and so on, which was another stage in this development.

And then finally we have capitalism,

which is the final stage in the development of the history.

But that's not a racial,

that wasn't a consequence of racial development.

I would just say this. you said that in the east

there was a more centralized command structure and in the west it was more

decentralized it was more pluralistic i heard you say that is touching on these

these intrinsic values of these people, because people are different.

If they were really so similar, as you say, if it was really so universal and arbitrary,

I don't think this trend would just constantly continue like it has throughout all of history.

The trend, but I'll tell you exactly how the trend developed. constantly continue like it has throughout all of history.

The trend, but here, I'll tell you exactly how the trend developed and how it continued.

The trend, the Greeks, who were the initiators supposedly of this trend, I mean, we don't know the full story, but the one we can remember by recorded history is that it began with the Greeks.

What happened was the practices, the trade practices of Babylonia were imported in what was at the time, and this is just objectively true, a primitive society.

The Greeks were incredibly primitive compared to the rest of the ancient world in the Bronze Age and in the Iron Age.

And the importation of these practices led to the

importation of certain

very advanced financial practices

of the Babylonians' interest.

That was a highly refined,

very advanced thing.

They imported that, but they didn't have other institutional and structural mechanisms that were civilizationally necessary for the longevity of Babylonia, which was the periodic debt cancellation.

The Greeks didn't have the debt cancellation,

which was a political thing that came about through dynastic traditions.

They didn't have a state tradition.

They didn't have a centralized tradition of political power.

So this peripheral relationship to Mesopotamia and to the Near East created various

different clannish mafia families who ruled as an oligarchy and who prevented the process by which we get centralizing, you know, um, palatial, uh, kind of, uh, authorities.

But why would the people embrace that?

Why would the Greeks embrace that?

It's not that they embrace that.

But they obviously did because that's where things went.

I mean, you know, people, it's not like the, like everyone is just at the mercy of these forces.

I mean, there had to have been

some kind of consent from the wider

society for that to even happen. There was zero

let me explain this. It's not that there was consent.

It's that there was no alternative.

They didn't have a tradition

of a heroic step warrior coming in and making an alliance with the farmers in order to cancel the debts and thereby become a monarchical authority and all the traditions of the Asiatic kind of civilizational structure of political power.

That didn't happen in Greece.

Now, you could say, why didn't that happen?

Well, I would say the first thing to look at is geography.

The Greeks were a maritime civilization. They were cut off, I think, in some respects from...

Well, the thing is, these families were able to accumulate such vast quantities of wealth, these mafia families, centralizing it within their control as like an

oligarchy, they were able to basically ensure, financially speaking, they could ward off

northern invaders and step barbarians and Scyians and so on and so on preventing and then

they were even able to ward off the prisons that was because so this this tendency was a peripheral

but i would say um the geography yeah that that probably did have an effect on, you know, Western thought and Western culture and almost like the spiritual, I guess for lack of a better word, the spiritual race. Yeah, that did have an effect, but that still means that

the Europeans are separate.

They are fundamentally different

because they had different traditions that were

influenced by their geography, by their

circumstances. That does make a difference.

The European people at every turn were rising in rebellion and revolution against the creditor and oligarchical rulers.

Were they really going towards like a centralized thing like that?

I don't think so.

You look at the French revolution. It was a revolution thing like that. I don't think... The reason...

The reason...

It was a revolution

of like rationalism and individualism.

It was the central...

It was about thousands of years.

Well, it did create...

It did create a strong centralized modern state,

but that's thousands of years later.

I mean, why is it that

Russia had the

Bolshevik revolution and then no one

else did? It's because

the Russian soul is

collective. It's a spirit

of collective endurance. You're not listening to what

I'm saying. Throughout the thousands... I am. It's just like of collective endurance. You're not listening to what I'm saying.

I am.

It's just like all this history about like creditors and stuff. You don't want to hear what I have to say.

You keep interrupting me, so I have to remove you.

I mean, I'm trying to get my point across.

There were constant rebellions and revolutions throughout the history of the entire West, not just the modern West.

The reasons these didn't successfully lead to the creation of Asiatic-style societies, so to speak, is because historically, since the times of the ancient Near East, you

needed two factors, disgruntled farmers and foreign step nomad barbarians. You needed those two,

an alliance between those two forces is what created the centralizing dynastic traditions.

Europe did have the disgruntled farmers,

and these are the people who are constantly rising in revolution and rebellion across Western history.

But they never had the heroic step barbarians to kind of come and fulfill the dynastic revolutionary

aspirations. So the farmers were always crushed. You know, I'm going to go ahead and say something.

It's a big hot take. But the ottomans in many ways could be

interpreted as this barbaric step um heroic force that that will come and rescue indebted and

enslaved peoples.

But the Ottomans were not strategically wise. That's why they failed to conquer Europe. They didn't make an alliance with the European farmers and peasants.

They had their own corruption and problems, and that made him an ineffective empire as far as expanding into Europe.

But you think about it, and it's like when the Ottomans took Constantinople, they were not fighting Rome. Rome by that point, Eastern Rome was gone. They were fighting the Venetians. They were fighting the Italian creditors. And they were freeing Byzantium from debt.

It was heavily indebted to the Italian city states, and it's because the Ottomans did that, that's what put them on a collision course of conflict with the Italian city states.

You had the Mongols as. You had the Mongols

as well. If the Mongols reached Europe,

Europe would not exist, as we know it.

It would be the same as Russia or it would be the same

as the Middle East.

So, for geographic reasons,

for other reasons, for reasons pertain,

like the discovery of the new world it's a huge

factor actually you can even think about it geographically europe literally went to escape these

step barbarians that were encroaching upon it had to escape west um to to keep the creditor slavery

system going uh and but now it's coming to an end and the barbarians are here and now america

will be tartaria that's all I have to say.

Anyway, guys, we're wrapping it up there, and I'll see you next Thursday.

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