INFRARED VISION LEFT 2.0 [2021-01-31]

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how you doing jawad i haven't seen you

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arctic angel what's up ewoks how you

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all right guys

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comfortable streaming and [ __ ] you know

so this is how it is hello from moscow

what's up mr cybersay how you doing for

moscow we got we got two russians in the

chat shout out to the ogs in the chat

what's up temujin is internet infrared

is an international live streaming

platform you know what i'm saying

you might going stupid damn how's it

like now is this good

it's right in front of me directly in

front of me now

did you see jason on rouhay's video yeah

i heard about it actually i heard about

it

i heard about it

about caleb right

yeah against caleb

you know um

this is gonna be a quick stream so i

don't know if we're gonna go at it today

but uh

and i'm saying anybody who comes at

infrared is gonna face the wrath of

infrared so anybody trying to come at

infrared you know what i'm saying

do so at your own peril you know what

i'm saying because uh

we're not like the leftists who used to

let's just say to that you know

i have a question for you what is your

thoughts on jason's recent video

look it's not really our beef

but the whole gift of the video from

what i'm saying is this stuff about

billionaires and millionaires

i don't think we really

[ __ ] heavy on the [ __ ] with heavy on the

[ __ ]

millionaires and billionaires are good

or socialism just means more wealth you

know lenin was pretty explicit that that

wasn't the case it's also about

sacrifice so i understand that but i'm

also against people who talk about jay

sakai settlers and who talk about how

the first world

need to be fleeced and you know it's

like it's like

we're centrists here you know what i'm

saying but actually we lean more caleb

in spirit

but as far as the i think we are for

american socialism with american

characteristics it's just that we're not

reducing socialism with chinese

characteristics or social english

american characteristics to increasing

wealth that isn't our view of it okay

we like caleb and we [ __ ] with caleb

caleb's made the argument that social

and chinese characters is defensible

just because it's improved it's

increased wealth but we think there's

way more to it than that that's our

position actually

guys by the way this is grayson grayson

why don't you introduce yourself sorry

yeah um yes i'm grayson uh i'm from

south carolina um probably the only

seven are actually in our group

um i'm not gonna dox myself the rest of

it but um

but yeah man yeah uh i've been here from

the beginning too i just haven't gotten

on the stream you know

i'm really at the time too but

i've been watching some of it it's good

stuff

with caleb though with caleb i think his

position is understandable

his position is understood it's not that

you know we agree with i just i see

where he's coming from i see what he's

reacting to that stuff you know i i

think those are the kind of mistakes

that aren't

they aren't deep enough to really

warrant

a breaking from us you know what i mean

like we're still firmly in that camp

it's what he's reacting to on the left

that i think is it's like you know it's

the right it's the wrong steps in the

right direction that's how i put it you

know yeah you know i mean

i don't even want to disrespect jason on

rouhey but anyone who comes at infrared

from a negative angle and [ __ ]

we're gonna go super scion and [ __ ] you

know what i'm saying but

all i want to say on this point is that

i i like caleb's style a little bit more

than jason's i like k i like how caleb

is a american type of dude and we do

need an america socialism with american

characteristics if we're living in

america otherwise you're just a kind of

larping poser you know

hey guys

um

i'm gonna be right b

so what's up everyone what's up arctic

angel

yeah boy boy yeah no like we still [ __ ]

with caleb is that the thing is like he

he's reacting to the eye maybe i don't

know if he's but in my in my mind right

he's reacting to this kind of idea of

you know socialism is

it's kind of like what deng xiaoping

said you know

poverty isn't socialism poverty isn't

socialism

uh you know if he's he he's mistaken

about you know you know we shouldn't be

against billionaires because right

because billionaires embody corruption

they're tied up with the state you know

it's not like they're

but you know we as socialists don't need

to make excuses for that that's you know

i think that's another point

but uh but we still [ __ ] with caleb you

know yeah i think the main thing he's

trying to get at is that like a lot of

you know a lot of leftists think about

uh socialism as just like being this

kind of um

destructive thing right so he's focusing

on the positive aspect of it is like you

know an abundance of production

uh and a wealth and i think the problem

is like you know billionaires are like

parasites off of that abundance that

socialism creates

um yeah yeah

i think

i think it's mainly a political issue

the problem with billionaires isn't this

kind of moralizing about

you know this this um

poverty mongering is poverty's virtue

billionaires are actually it's more

political it's like billionaires

represent

aristocratic type of feudal corruption

that's the anger you can be a petite

bourgeois revolutionary

and still oppose the billionaires but i

have a sorry i don't want to cut this

short but i just have a quick question

for the guy named jay in chat

jay are you from russia itself because

that will

greatly make me weigh your input

better because you're saying navalny

should be some say oh okay you're not

saying you're saying something some say

navani should be put into power due to

the contradictions but here's my issue

with these hypothetical abstractions

it's like

who have like

i'm so sick of leftists who who think

this way

what ought we to do okay let's just do

it no

you know it's like you're you're not god

you can't you can't just put navalny

into power you're presupposing a power

you don't have in the first place

you know you got to always understand

your where you are actually you can't

just be like boss you're like should we

or shall the owl vote for biden it's

like

completely missing the point okay

uh it's about what power do you have

right now and volunteering for charity

i'm sick of this mentality well come on

guys if if everyone just gets right to

it we can all just get things done

it's kind of a charitable [ __ ] mentality

it's a subjectivist one because it

doesn't it you know it

it puts a premium on what's what you

ought to do right it's not just

moralistic but it's like for marxism you

know it's not about

subjectively wanting something you know

marxists have never

you know x nilo made revolution right

they only led an objective revolution

that was already underway you know like

in vietnam it's not like you know the

communists had you know introduced the

anti-colonial struggles that they were

the ones who were able to connect with

the striving of the vietnamese people

you know it's not about like once swag

dog how do we do that

how do i do that

i'm going on edit

you want me to make it embeddable

how do i do that

i don't know how to do that we're really

know what this

navalny is an opportunistic populist i

don't even think he's a populist because

to me navalny seems he's his main appeal

are like

liberal youth right

jason is turning into a grifter sad

i don't know why yeah i don't know why

jason's like creating beef with caleb

for no reason like aren't we all tankies

under the same siege right like i don't

understand why you're going after caleb

iv like why did you make a

if you wanted to invite him for a

friendly discussion where you can air

out your disagreements

then that would be a lot more

sympathetic from my perspective

but just making this video i don't i'm

sorry i'm rambling how do i do the embed

thing

i don't know what that means in bed i

got no clue

um

how do i do that i have no [ __ ] idea

how to do that

license and distribution oh allow

embedding right here save okay i just

allowed it

i clicked on the options

um

okay i just did it dude it's embeddable

now

sorry guys go go ahead i didn't mean to

play yeah

where did we stop on the chat i think

sorry i cannot update your video what

the [ __ ]

yeah

so accelerationism

so

that's

i think we talked about acceleration on

on this before right

you know

it's like most of the time when we're

talking about accelerations you know

like landy and acceleration it's not

about like making stuff

worse so they get better you know

i feel like this is the kind of view

that you see you know the new york times

causes acceleration as a right-wing

accel you know accelerationists but

that's not really what it's

about you know

i mean i guess it is to some extent

right

but

i think the difference is like there's

not this volunteerist uh like aspect

where you like you're dedicating

yourself to like making it become worse

it's more like you already appreciate

the transfer transformations uh you know

that are happening um already

objectively this is where things um are

going and you're not trying to like

[ __ ] the process or you know stop the

process yeah maybe put it this way it's

like you know acceleration you know

accelerationism is and we're not

accelerationist you know but

accelerationism is

i but i think we would agree with being

at peace

with what is accelerating so to speak

you know i think the question though is

like what is the engine

what is the engine of accelerationism

and you know you're like what is its

objective whatever

socialism is when jeff bezos has 100

billion dollars

i guess so a lot of people think that

because we defend or not we defend it

this is like really volunteeristic terms

because we appreciate there's something

to learn social and chinese

characteristics that we're like the

falc billionaires are good type when we

never [ __ ] said that in china there's

debates about billionaires and [ __ ] you

know there's anti-billionaires in there

but matt jay says you really think that

is really putin's palace

no i saw a video where apparently it it

seems sma i smell [ __ ] on that whole

thing apparently putin's palace was

actually

um a resort or like some kind of hotel

resort so it seems like [ __ ] to me

um

some people found yeah dude navalny's

look at our video about navalny uh with

the vosh video in our live streams by

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a noon

monster i don't know all this drama dude

i don't

you know

going back to the uh china thing with

billionaires just china is probably the

only country that's capable of reining

in uh billionaires uh they're the like i

think recently um

not a billionaire but you know someone

who has hundreds of who was like caught

for like corruption like a taking a 20

uh not jack ma it was someone else

on her way uh recently just got executed

i mean i think china's really the only

country that's even capable or yeah yeah

maybe the only country that's even

capable of like really reigning in

uh the billionaire class russia cages

them but china has i mean china has like

produced a lot of articles in the west

it's like china's disappearing

billionaires you know what's up robert

anattas how you doing man you know a lot

of people think that just because

something exists this is a really

liberal kind of mistake they think that

inaction and not doing something means

you're complicit

and this is a really liberal type of

pathologist so just because china is not

executing all billionaires that means

it's ruled by billionaires and it's very

chill for billionaires you're you're

really critiquing china for not doing

something right it's a completely

different thing and that goes for the

whole thing about markets

under chinese socialism as well

the chinese

communist party simply just

you know started to stop intervening in

the way that it used to

because

when the whole entire chinese economy

was politically

was politically um dominated

you had the cultural revolution which

was turning everything upside down

because there was this common political

side in which literally everyone could

just

make a fuss out of you know

um

so if it's not political anymore

then

it is what it is you know it's like i

don't know why people are complaining

um

it's i bet navalny has a nice yeah dude

navani is really close so if i

understand this correctly there will be

an inherent desire for socials by the

masses

there yes jonathan there's always so

that's why i always say we live in

socialism it's just because it's so

redundant now

you guys have to understand that in the

19th century this idea of some common

social reality

where we have some kind of economic

interrelation that the state and

policies are relevant towards whatsoever

that was not given okay even

libertarians are socialist when

libertarians say

you know we need to decrease taxes

because that will benefit us all

the rationality behind their reasoning

is put in socialistic terms you know

that wasn't always the case guys a lot

of people take socialism for granted is

what i'm trying to say

do the serfs support navalny

i bet they do i bet you anything they do

they're just those type of [ __ ]

people who

support

whatever the msm says but they put their

own quirky little cuck twist on it

well we're you know cmm supports navalny

and we do too but we're really quirky

and i'm silly about it

yeah

yeah does jack have been

probably i'm not i've not kept up with

them i'm not kept up with them jacob

jackman's gonna write about how we need

to support democracy in russia because

putin's capitalist oligarch you know

jackman's the biggest phrase monger

it's literally the [ __ ]

the biggest even those people on lefty

pole yesterday we were looking at

they were talking [ __ ] about us

and moralizing oh you don't support

workers it's all this jacobin style

western moralism you know

yeah

jacob and mag

you know it's like uh the dugan video

that we watched uh yesterday they just

need to realize that they're not boss

you know it's not up to you know what

they're legislating

um you know it's not up for the rest

west to decide uh what's better for

russia that's up for the russians to

decide being my question for you being

is what country are you from

because

i have found it that anglos uniquely

have this idea in their head

that a word has an absolute meaning

across all contexts and across every

possible sense even though words are

literally utterances that come from

our innards and our [ __ ] fleshly

animalistic innards like i could be a

caveman

you know what i'm saying it's just we're

making sounds that's what a [ __ ] word

is

it's not that deep dude

the thing you're looking for is like

this

like um

semiotics and [ __ ] like

strauss and lacan and the symbolic and

all that kind of stuff

that's the deeper level of meaning but

words are they're not that's not

reducible to words i don't know what

this autism com sorry i don't want to be

discriminatory but i don't know where

this kind of

anglo thing comes from that we're always

encountering people who think words have

this magical alchemical power to

um contain every possible sense and use

of the [ __ ] word bundled into that

word

it's really silly and just makes no

sense to me

my brain doesn't work that way maybe

maybe i'm just not you know

maybe maybe you should use some race

science being to explain that on my part

because

i simply do not think that way i just

don't

you watched it

sorry i don't think anyone like can even

like i don't think anyone can be a

person by actually operating that way as

of words are just like literally defined

by their definition and they have to be

logically consistent with that singular

definition

that's not how you know

language works at all you know what's

weird about that as well is that

what they're basically saying is that

the meaning of words

is in fact nothing more than more words

so where does it end are words just

words just words just words it's

metanewme like you're always looking for

the true meaning and definition of the

word and you're reducing that to another

sentence or string of words

so at what point

are words related to actual reality you

know look this stuff up guys because the

whole 20th century was about this

including that weirdo guy wittgenstein

that i don't even like

there's some drama in the russian

leftist community about navalny

all the greed he's not our ally but some

leftists claim that we need to support

the movement

that began after navalny's video

that's really interesting cyber um

uh that's actually really interesting

um

what i would advise i don't know if you

guys care about my advice uh you

russians out there

uh and please i'm not expecting you you

know it's it's you guys know more than

me you know better than me but if if you

wanted my advice then the first thing i

would say is that i would rec i would

say um the old social democratic model

from the 20th century according to which

uh

this stage's view of liberal democracies

more advanced than after liberal

democracy we can have communism

is historically outdated so i always

thought that the k for russia's case at

least the whole point should be to

surpass putin and putin's

um

sovereign democracy to go a step further

you know

um

to be more putin than putin himself in a

sense but

maybe i'm wrong i don't know

um but

yeah i i think there's also the

geopolitical thing that you got to pay

attention to but um

i think

uh yeah that's just my two cents

if we got socialism what are we fighting

for that's just like what stalin was

saying when people were like well if we

have socialism why should we still work

you know boy boy you should learn from

asian

religions and asian philosophies you

know

uh

you'll understand that you'll drop this

kind of dogmatic eschatological view

of striving toward a perfect world and

you'll you'll understand how it is you

can be have being in the world here and

now and

just because we already have socialism

doesn't mean profound changes don't

await us

but those changes are not

individualistically mediated okay the

scale at which the change happens is

beyond is beyond the individual

purview

i mean this happened historically too i

mean this was i mean testified by the

experience of 20th century communism you

know not just between states but within

them

uh people i mean what else what else was

mao's cultural revolution you know yeah

being you're right we do use them to

communicate but that presupposes that

the meaning of words is deeper than the

words themselves because

communication is the communication of

something that's not just the word

you're not just communicating a word

you're communicating something deeper

than the word at one point there has to

be material reality being

um and that's we can get into

psychoanalysis but i don't want to bore

you guys you know how do you

output the putin yeah it's interesting

i know words are important being

but you have to take them in their

context

and that's what people in good faith do

that's actually what normal human beings

do it only seems that these anglo

intellectuals have a problem with how i

and how we use words

i i mean even in all the classics the

context like the way in which the word

socialism is used is different in

different context you know if you're

reading marx and eagles they don't

always

mean the same thing when they say

socialism you know it depends on the

context boy boys so just strive to be

better

no i don't think that i don't think i

think you should lose this kind of

normative better worse view of things at

all again study a little bit learn a

little bit from asian philosophy it's

about being don't take being for granted

be actually just be what you are and

you'll see how revolutionary it is

that's why i always tell people guys

learn from the iranian revolution be

like khomeini the guy just stood still

and the whole world trembled be what you

are in the world will tremble the

revolution will happen around you

you have to invert your sense of what

revolution is revolution doesn't mean

you're forcing change on reality that's

a volunteeristic very western

individualistic view

sometimes when you actually correctly

acquire a relationship to material

reality

that in itself is what's revolutionary

because believe it or not the world

you're taking for granted the one world

you think you know is latent with

contradictions

anywhere i can read i would actually

begin with intros to heidegger the guy

martin heidegger

yo actually yeah read uh read like intro

to metaphysics it's a really really easy

look it's all stems from a cartesian

dogma cartesian dogma because y'all in

the chat you know i guess you're

familiar with with descartes i mean have

you heidegger killed them

but uh yo because look look it's very

simple it's very simple

date just a quick rundown descartes

wanted to have certainty so he locked

himself in a stove heated room begins

with

cogito ergosum i you know if i you know

where i think i am

okay but he's beginning from thought he

began from thinking heidegger basically

just says that there's a being that's

deeper than this there's a he calls the

question of being right and does he says

every generation has to reconfigure

their relation to being right he doesn't

have like a he doesn't have like an

ultimate like this is being no it's a

question it's a question mark you know

it's not something you can reduce the

language that's the cartesian dogmatism

the thing about heidegger that's so

powerful is that he's he's a gateway

for westerners to understand and have a

bridge toward the east and maybe vice

versa you know

um

so heidegger is very important to to

understand infrared probably i think you

guys should have a rudiment i know it's

like

a buttload maybe we can have streams and

we could like talk about it together but

you know honestly i i like it it's

counterintuitive because he has a bad

rap especially in the university but

distance yourself from that if you read

you'll i think it'll become apparent

what we're talking about you know

what we're talking about

yeah yeah martin heidegger arctic angel

i really can't imagine how people can be

marxist in the west without being high

to guerns thoughts on going on we don't

really go that far you know guanajuan

the traditionalism stuff i'm sure guanan

has some interesting things to say

obviously we don't dogmatically follow

these

the german con

conservative revolution thinkers

and european traditionalists

but they these are all people with

interesting things to say

um but they're also worthy of critique

and marxist should know how to from a

philosophical and you know intellectual

perspective if you're living in the west

you should be like a renaissance type

you thinker you know engage with

everybody know how to

know where you stand don't just dismiss

them as fast marks did this marx marx

read and i think correspond with with

carlisle thomas carla yeah right you

have to you have to be able to you know

have discourse with these people or

maybe not discourse but you have to know

them and sometimes it can be

enlightening i mean we use a lot of

duganist concepts i don't think we're

i don't really care what they call us i

don't think we're doing this per se but

i mean yeah a lot of this stuff is

useful you know yeah

yeah became a sufi

he moved to egypt yeah he moved to egypt

and he became he converted to islam

became a sufi

um

what would be a proper praxis be

i think my issue with praxis the word

praxis is that it's akin to the catholic

notion of good works

praxis just means

with our action we have to fulfill some

standard of the good i think all this

boils down to something that in the 19th

century was called aesthetics and we

need an aesthetic revolution in marxism

to clarify this kind of stuff

because

praxis as it stands in the west is a

volunteeristic concept it's not a

materialistic concept it's a

volunteeristic one

uh

gurkharan

says why does martin have a bad

reputation it's because look it's

because he was

formally yeah well it's yeah he was

formally engaged with he wasn't engaged

with right he was a nazi and he was

active in uh what i think he dedicated

one of his books to hooserole and then

all of a sudden he removed it under

nazism just stuff like that but the

thing is

you can excuse not not excuses no excuse

right but you can see where heidegger

went wrong yeah right and you can just

dismiss this he says an intro to

methodist if you read that book and i

think it's a good start he says we

germans were in between the pincers

soviet russia nihilism western

civilization nihilism we've discovered

being but you know he didn't get this he

didn't get this it was in the soviet

union where this survived right this is

what stalinism's significance forces

here's another thing about heidegger

people overlook heidegger's entire

evaluation of the soviet

the significance of the soviet union and

marxism and communism came from his

reading of lucox

heidegger was profoundly influenced but

also kind of terrified of lucox's the

history of class consciousness and his

work being in time was in part a

response to that work by lucox but i

think in my view i think in our view as

well lucox's book was completely

anti-fetical to the achievement of both

visions lucox book bundled together a

lot of prejudices of kantianized

um second international marxism and this

is why lucox rejects engel's dialectics

of nature so in a sense heidegger

inadvertently was actually returning to

marxism and saving it from people like

lukakus who were

um i gave hoz yeah neat um

we we should probably should do a video

like that right it's just videos are

tough to make but streaming we put in

our sub stack probably too right yeah

yeah we'll we'll fill up that's how it

works

definitely um

what's the topic of this stream

um

we're just going to have a quick stream

you know it's not going to be that long

and we're just going to chill we have

some stuff lined up i think but

explain volunteerism versus materialism

well according to the volunteers view

the

word what is to be done is basically

like well i'm sitting here what kind of

charity should i go out and be doing

but the materialist view is ontological

it's actually a question of what is

being in the first place what am i doing

right now

and the the real political struggles

that are happening are are around the

fact that this is not a given right

don't assume

this is the problem with volunteerism

with volunteerism you say i'm here i

know what i am i know what it's going on

what should i do what direction do i go

in

but you're making you're taking a lot of

things for granted you're taking being

for granted right the reason there's

politics guys isn't because people woke

up one day and decided that they want to

intervene in reality it's because

there's a conflict over reality itself

and what is reality

so that's where the revolution actually

is happening it's not happening

you know because

it's you know guys there's this problem

with american technocratic pragmatism

and what i mean by that is that i know

it's more phrases what i mean by that

is that people assume that communism

means i woke up on the wrong side of the

right side of the bed one day and i say

all around the world i see problems so

how do i solve these problems and i'm

going to use communism to solve the

problems that exist in the world

that's completely a technocratic um

pragmatic view of what in this

philosophical sense of you know of

communism

and um it's completely

hopscotching over the necessary um

engagement with german idealism and

stuff

which is actually i i think that yeah

i'm sorry i didn't mean interrupt

i i think that um the way

that it's easier maybe to swallow what

we're saying especially with like the

objective of socialists which i know

we've talked about a million times but

think about socials and the way you do

about capitalism you at most you are

smart enough to not use this stuff is

just an ideology right you see it it's

just it's a you know you use whatever

word mode of production

economic system doesn't really matter

what you call it but something that's

objective it's not just premised on your

ideas

that's what socialism is

in the objective sense you can be

subjectively right striving for or

clarifying the world in light of this

fact but it's not something that

precedes this

actual objectivity you know like it

doesn't if we say we're living in

socialism it doesn't mean that marxists

rule us it doesn't mean that it just

means that although you know

but it just means that uh it means that

there's an objectivity that precedes

your own

wants you know it doesn't have to be

subjectively socialistic you know hold

on uh guys i don't mean to cut this

short this conversation but we did get a

hater for our last video the other day

and i want the hater to be put on the

spotlight for one second sorry

we're going to put this hater on the

spotlight because you know what i'm

saying

um our rule from now every all the big

comments we get

we're gonna

address them on stream

call yourself neon cause i can so okay

let's check this out

okay this is the

[ __ ] idiot of the day [ __ ] ass

[ __ ] made [ __ ] of the day let's see

holy [ __ ] what a loser comedy gold

though thanks for the entertainment

anyhow

rat siv i'm a loser okay i'm a loser

by the way guys thank you for these

i'm a loser

okay

what are you doing

these this is who you follow this looks

like some dumb cuck [ __ ] this looks like

some dumb [ __ ]

this is who you follow

and i'm the [ __ ] loser you sound like

that you look like what are you doing in

our [ __ ] video how did you find out

about our video sounds like you're an

anonymous [ __ ] [ __ ] loser and we're

actually putting ourselves out here and

you commented on our video which

incriminates you as a bigger loser than

us because we're the ones right who you

found and we're actually doing the work

you're a [ __ ] loser [ __ ] and you're

what is let me rate his profile what is

this swamp thing we got going on

because what is your point with this how

you think what is this who's this

supposed to impress i'm not impressed

what's this profile picture huh

i can't even see it

i can't even see it

this is a youtube channel no [ __ ]

[ __ ] it is [ __ ]

you calling us losers

calling us losers

infrared i found a supporter of you on

twitch

andre tell us tell us more tell us who

it is and we'll check them out right now

by the way guys we do have a twitch

we do have a twitch

but we didn't know if we should ever

stream on twitch because you guys told

us you like youtube better

tell us about this twitch dude i'm i'm

excited

you're taking comments way too seriously

nah man we gotta address these bitch-ass

[ __ ] they think that

anonymously they're gonna talk [ __ ] on

infrared we're not gonna on live stream

address it i see you [ __ ] and i see the

face behind the keyboard and i'm saying

every time you type on that keyboard

i

can you exude a certain energy and i can

smell this energy of the real life human

being you guys

that's true for you guys in the chat as

well but i see you and you're fine to me

you know i have hope and faith in you

but these bitch-made [ __ ]

talking all this [ __ ] on infrared i can

i can smell their fear you know what i'm

saying

sorry

shaming hater is we're always going to

shame the [ __ ] haters man

do it's full of [ __ ] rad libs that

have to be exposed

you really think we should

haas literally smells like poopoo

i do because i i showered yesterday i

didn't shower again if you stream on

twitch we can definitely embed your

video

we need viewers you know if we have this

many viewers on twitch definitely we'll

do it

basically shared one video of yours his

username was yeah nick's feet

need what were you doing on twitch

he was streaming on twitch

just try to restream it works pretty

good i think destiny uses it now

should we do a union army ball no wait

should we i don't know

union army ball is asking a pretty good

question i think sorry this is off top

but what do you think of describing

objective socialism as corporatism to

avoid confusing people

well

you can look the way i think about it

because it shows that the pageantry of

free markets and free enterprise and

stuff is a sham there's already if you

want the infrastructure it's not just

about infrastructure there's already the

ability to do these things but they're

scaring you out it's not like you need

to undergo

all this process you know it's a

political issue it's a political issue

and uh objective and cultural and

objective socialism isn't corporatism

right that's just that's like maybe the

subjective reflection of it in the

united states but that's not um the

essence of it like when we that's the

difference between the subjective and

the objective actually

sorry but the reason it's so confusing

is because that corporatism was the 20th

century primitive accumulation

i always say the 20th century was the

socialism right corporatism was the 20th

century form of that

i don't know in the west

you know people the ism thing you know

for me ism is like phenomenal

which streamer needs i want to see how

they reacted i'm really curious

um

when i think of like it's almost like

the russian type of you know how

russians have the kind of uh they put

ishgina after some

yeah

that's how i think of ism in my brain in

my head i think of ism that way i think

of as like a kind of phenomena i don't

think of it as like a discreet doctrine

i think of as like it's a socialism you

know

i don't know that's how i think of it

neon destroyed you in his last vid

what's his last vid

because we expose this [ __ ] ass from

the one we saw

neons like all of the the vid he did was

so so bad he didn't destroy us as [ __ ]

it wasn't funny no he didn't dude we

responded to this in full

fiery

every bit of it

how can you talk about the essence of

something is void because it's the the

whole point of materialism

void you know what's crazy do you know

what the word material the the origins

of that word etymologically is material

content and essence all shame share the

same connotation and meaning

material and material essence are kind

of

interexchangeable philosophy

um for philosophy the essence is

actually just referring to more ideas

and it's idealism right but a real

essence real content

is basically what is material about

something material isn't the same as

substantial in the anglo metaphysics i'm

not hating on angles here i'm just

talking historically

materialism refers to substance

but materialism doesn't actually mean

substance

she didn't watch it oh man

okay sorry i didn't know that

don't say he [ __ ] destroyed us with

this 30 second clip he didn't destroy us

dude

but don't apologize

marx isn't mercurism i i don't i didn't

uh i'm not familiar with what that's

see guys this is why we don't stream on

twitch it's because we only have three

followers

you know we can't just have three

viewers

and leave out all these people from

youtube you know

yeah yesterday's stream guys was the

first stream that i actually liked

watching i didn't watch the whole thing

back but i was actually entertained

watching it

watching myself usually i [ __ ] hate

it

it was a i thought it was a very

entertaining stream as well when i when

i checked it out uh later especially the

like the last

half of it

uh i i felt uh i felt bad for neon

almost

yeah i mean but uh you're asking for it

though you know dude the good guy talks

so much [ __ ] about us

redemption is possible we can

yeah where's he coming from though he's

from lefty pool right yeah

you know a little bit uh changing

subjects a little bit but going back to

the uh materialism uh

essence and materialism thing lenin has

a good quote um in its proper meaning

dialectics is the study of the

contradiction within the very essence of

things the whole point of like

dialectical materialism is that it turns

on its head uh like the traditional

idealist conception of essence uh

essence is the you know the object

beyond uh your subjective uh

like domestication of it it is the you

know the thing

uh not not the idea that's that's the

whole point of dialectical materialism

as opposed to you know uh like idealist

or dialectical idealism

yeah or or it's just or it's just as

simple as the material is the a priori

right yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah

exactly materials

yes

do you think objective socialism is what

people are sensing when they complain

about bail yeah dude we didn't even like

people are saying this spontaneously

that yeah we live in socialism

you know

but then the marxist nerds coming

actually you know people we didn't

invent this [ __ ]

it's always like that intuitively people

get it but then you have like these

leftists who try to like act like this

sort of like priest of marxism that you

know try to deceive them and tell them

no your intuition is wrong

guys

hassan only has 4k viewers

is he streaming right now is that like

he usually oh he just started okay never

mind that dude usually has like 50k

wouldn't it be the substance is that's

substantialism that's not materialism

a lot of people confuse the two because

of angle

they're not the same okay they're not

the same mark dialectical materialism is

not substantialism substantialism

philosophically explicit is more up

spinoza's alley

and a lot of marxists

try to make

uh materialism into spinozism and it's a

perversion

um

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all right uh our video on the unknown

cultural revolution i think does a

pretty good job of of like clarifying

the distinction between substance and

material because a lot of people have it

almost kind of reversed

substances like you know it's what you

can you know it's what you it can

physically you know apparently

engage with material is the you know the

deeper reality behind it that grounds it

all

that's why by the way i don't want to

get too caught up in the weeds with this

but that's why we we like

heidegger again because what does that

refer to being you know it's the same

it's the same criticism of descartes he

said uh you know descartes said i think

therefore i am but heidi is

incriminating the am you know the being

or the is whenever you know whatever you

want to call it

but um

exactly henry you got a question you got

a question to you yeah henry you got a

question

about an anarchist i think you're an

anarchist they're asking you about

anarchism

no i'm definitely not an anarchist uh

one second i was looking at the uh top

sentence of the live chats oh okay i see

what's your position on anarchism oh i

think it's really stupid um i think

basically anarchism as i think what

people get into when they want to um

it's kind of like an escapism uh like a

larping um and yeah i don't know there's

not there's not too much to to say about

it it's it's just uh it's really stupid

and immature and also a lot of people

who are in our kids today

um once they wake up from their kind of

like childish uh escapism they're gonna

become conservatives probably because um

you know that it's a traditional thing

that happens with a lot of anarchists

and uh you know a good example of this

and today's anarchists are probably not

even like they're not even worthy of

even a comparison but a good example of

this are the narnics and uh

and russia you know before basically

before the socialist movement had really

developed very much one of the like

earliest like left-wing uh movements

were the narnics and they were basically

uh kind they were basically kind of they

were kind of like anarchists like kind

of like feudalist uh anarchists i don't

i don't actually i don't know about that

i think the neuronics i don't i don't i

don't think that i wouldn't put them

that low you know because anarchists are

usually

urban degenerates and the neurotonics

were based on the ideas of herzen which

is very different from anarchism yeah no

and and honestly i think there's a

difference between anarchism

you know today i don't want to like

rehabilitate all these old guys but

anarchism today and then like anarchism

before but even back then even back then

like anarchists were like french people

in paris who were throwing bombs and

[ __ ] but you know another thing is too

is that the neuronics i don't think

there would be marxism in russia

uh leninism anything without the neural

nets that was actually in the we i like

to study herzen for that reason herzen

kind of

is an unknown origin of

marxism leninism but heidegger sounds

like he's rehashing hegel

it's really interesting because

heidegger is almost

inversing hegel topographically and

looking at hegel from and kant in

general from a different perspective but

zizek if you want to know who combines

them explicit actually two people

combine them explicitly

most readings of hegel are actually

heideggerian readings because they come

from a guy named alexander

kojev i keep bringing that name up a lot

alexander kojebs

um

and that's uh and then that's the

prevailing interpretation of hegel today

and that's a heideggerian reading of

hegel

um if i i think if you if you grasp

kojev too i mean he's the key to

unlocking i mean he influenced lacan he

influences the i don't think i don't

know if you mentioned bataille

influences but yeah obviously he you

know also dumbasses like fukuyama but um

but uh but codes yeah no i think because

people usually i was guilty of this a

few years ago but people usually

associate heidegger with like

anti-hegelianism you know you're a

heideggerian if you don't like hegel if

you're like into this stuff you know but

uh again like uh he has books on hegel

too i mean you can see his position it's

it's much more complicated than this

kind of you know

heidegger versus

let me explain to you the war in

academia in philosophy or whatever right

there's two sides

basically

there's heidigarians who represent

freshness and newness although there's a

lot to be critiqued about them they're

more on the side of like

infrared vision basically right

and then there's debbie downer frankfurt

school type of german

criticism school

and

that's kind of also moishi postone it's

the frankfurt guys and these are

classical western kantian um

basically uh

you know

um

maybe this is wrong but like look i even

think that because like marcus does this

marcudu you know he tries to do this one

indirectly but you can bypass except for

zizek you know we like z-jack you can

bypass the marxists who try to combine

marks in height here they always do it

from this kind of western marxist

position

so read g-check don't if you look up

marx and heidi you're gonna get stuff

from like marcusa and maybe you know

horkheimer but don't you know bypass

that you know bypass that it's in a much

different vein than what we're trying to

do

you know

because they continize everything they

do they read the stuff through a kind of

western con like transcendentalist lens

and it's uh it fails for that reason

i yeah but we don't need to get to in

that it's 100 true yeah

100 percent true

look even just

like

when i've mentioned this to people in

the heidegger you know and if they know

that i'm you know a marxist or whatever

they always assume it's like

uh i because i guess that's what marcus

is doing you know marcus was very famous

for doing this

but um i don't know

that's that's unfortunately the um

the gloss people give it people who are

only high targaryens i think also end up

in some kind of sterility you know they

also end up you know

dead end

we're not only heideggerians we're you

know it's we're assimilating a lot of

things you know but it's also it's not

eclectic it's coherent

when you say kantian are you referring

to positivism

no they're kind of different

but those are all up the same alley

neopositivism and neocontianism are part

of the similar traditions but they're

not the same

they're not the same

linen engages with this in a

in in uh in piracism this book on the

imperial criticism you know

yeah yeah with me with neopositivism i

mean

what's a good introduction to heidegger

i'm not a big brain

i think just go

okay sorry go ahead no no no no no you

don't i don't know why you you probably

better answer yo i'm just saying that

like um

i i tell intro to metaphysics

intro to metaphysics why because

i think i'm a nerd it's a beautifully

written book it's very poetic but you're

gonna see kind of actually you know what

this is what i like about it ready

he writes

how

we see like infrared vision you know

what i mean it's it's actually just

reading the way he writes is a part of

the point i think you're not gonna get

this kind of obsession over definitions

and getting from cartesian dogmas he's

the form in which he's writing is

actually a part of the

is a part of the uh

is a part of his position right i think

reading that book it's very clear it's

lucid um

you can it's his bad book because that's

where he basically you know he's we're

in the pincers we german national

socialists but it's a good one uh it's

still a good introduction just dismiss

the stuff that you feel intuitively

maybe not intuitively but dismiss the

the nazis and stuff and

this is this is a good story guys you

know what else um

you know what else i think

is that if you want everything it's

a good introduction

to heidegger

you can actually watch a movie a

heidegger documentary and i i really

recommend this movie because

you will understand the vibe of

heidegger if you watch this movie

we are witnessing here

is the return

of titans

how many of these things are there

17 i'm counting okay

joke's over

this actually this movie though is very

high targaryen to me

um it was godzilla king of the monsters

let's just show him the trailer

infrared vision it is man infrared

vision we have infrared vision you know

we want you guys to have infrared vision

too see past the surface

thoughts on left communism left

communism is the biggest cuck [ __ ]

ideology i've ever heard of ever i have

no sympathy no there's no bridge between

us and left communism the bridge is

completely burned there's nothing

there's nothing you can never

you can never find any relationship or

similarity between us and left communism

at all there's no similarity at all [ __ ]

left communism and

[ __ ] that whole rabbit hole that whole

thing it's a big waste of time it's only

for nerds who trying to

feel like they're better than everyone

else

we are way more vulgar we're for jimmy

dore you know we're like we're

we're not on this oh if only you were a

left communist like me and i shut up

dude

you know what you know what left

communism is guys

this is live communism you know what i'm

saying yeah you do you know what kind of

you know like this is left communism

do you know what kind of train this is

well do ya actually it's a balwin 284 s3

class berkshire type steam l e what the

heck does that mean

we're heading for the other side of the

tracks

ready works of stalin of course dude i

we we read stalin in like a hermeneutic

way there's so much wisdom and so much

um insight in his works that people just

gloss over there is so much wisdom in

stalin's works and it's more it bundles

together and simplifies what these

western thinkers are trying to in so

many words arrive at

stalin is um

a titanic thinker he's a titanic thinker

i mean people think oh he's so

simplistic no everything stalin does

minces nothing he writes nothing for no

reason every single word stalin writes

is meaningful

you know

he is that's why he's sim it's simple

you know it's simple because it's so

concrete

and there's all there's this great

incredible beauty to it i wish i could

write like stalin

thoughts on the revival of hegelian

marxism i'm very critical of it

um

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that's the stuff you're going to find

mostly with

with western marxism you look if we say

western marxism um you're dealing with

mostly it's like neo hegelians neo

hegelian marxists you know they're

trying to re-introduce

philosophy

into into what uh what is ultimately uh

i don't like this word post

philosophical yeah i don't know if i

like that word but

the issue i have with border just thing

because border judge is so dogmatic you

know

for example border ju he he throws the

baby out with the bath water you know

stalin rehabilitates democracy but in a

new way and for stalin democracy means

the material people's rule you know

people's rule in the sense of

the people as like the material origin

of the state

for stalin he that's why the people's

democracy after you know it's border

he's just so dogmatic and bitter and i

really don't like borja at all

guys never be one-sided the whole point

of dialectics is never be one-sided

don't throw the baby out with the

bathwater that's why let's have a i want

to have a friendly friendly criticism a

little bit of caleb

an example of this is when he talks

about billionaires and stuff you know

it's kind of one-sided just because

we're opposing the poverty obsession of

the left we don't you don't take it too

far and start defending billionaires

because then you're becoming to the

right of chinese leftists themselves you

know

but

i didn't want to

yeah sorry

i know it's bad optics but it's just the

first thing that came to mind

um

but a lot of leftists make this mistake

it's like they always just fall into a

trap and they just kind of

try to clear everything

you need to be a little bit more subtle

just because we don't like anarchists

and liberals

doesn't mean we have to go full edgy

mode the problem is edginess basically

the issue is edginess you know

that that's also the basis of

all of anarchism you know it's being

it's being edgy rebellious it's

political satanism because anarchism is

an extension of liberalism but it's just

rebellious

that's why i kind of like i kind of like

this word anarcho-liberal

anarcho-liberal i don't like to add this

kind of adjective but anarcho-liberalism

because i don't know it's the same way

because

you know yeah

let me get into that

where do you want to start if you want

to read marx and engel's works

it depends on where this is what i was

like i'm never gonna give you blanket

literature from these this 150 years ago

you have to really tell me what it is

you want to learn and

specifically you know that's what i

that's what i would say um

jason on rouhey made a criticism of

caleb recently

yeah i know we were talking about it

earlier

um we don't agree with it we're not you

know

did he just like do that out of nowhere

without any kind of like stimulus at all

he's just i don't but you know what

maybe drama is good for this fear maybe

this drama will like make the all

tankies rise together you know because

let's see that video sorry jason and

rouhay

to my knowledge

this dude has

1.6

000 views

and his latest videos have not been

doing that well he's been getting 700

600

you know

well this one was really good 1.4

but then this one got a lot of attention

so we guys it's almost like economics

maybe if we have drama beef videos with

one another it's gonna just it's gonna

create surplus attention value you know

what i mean and it's like

i don't know what do you guys think

would you cheer on jason if he fought

vosh in a boxing max yes i would dude i

would i would [ __ ] are you kidding

dude i would rub it for him

yeah dude i would be i would be way more

i'd be like drake in the connor khabib

fight except

way more like

showing support i'd be that close to the

ring yeah okay jason you know what i'm

saying i oh of course i would but

he and caleb had to talk a little bit

ago and jason was being very

passive aggressive at caleb

why no i don't know why drama is great

for youtubers i know dude that's why the

makeup youtubers

have so much views is because they

create drama and it just draws attention

drama draws attention you know

and it's almost like concentrating

capital on ourselves

and it's like at first we're only using

our capital but then it just more and

more starts coming in

and it's it's like creating attention

surplus value you know

exactly tankies rise up never forget it

tankies rise up

tankies rise up

where is it

tankies rising see this that's what

we're about guys tankies rise up

but yeah sorry

um

amazing jason but he shouldn't attack

caleb now

i know but he did get views he got 1.6k

views and

a rising tide lifts all boats so maybe

drama is good for us i don't know

prashad's take is is china so this

question is really good and helped me

reframe a lot

yeah prashad is really cool and smart

but i think we're a little bit more

subtle about it peter kaufman covers

that very well attention currency

peter coffin

i've heard of him i don't think i've

watched his stuff though

oh i think ezra

oh no yeah yeah i think he's linked him

before

in the chat ezra knows him yeah

people also search for philosophy tube

this philosophy tube like a left wing

tube or is it like a philosophy

because it seems to be mentioned a lot

among leftists but i i didn't i assumed

it was like just philosophy

i think it's like theater kid

philosophy

this is a really good question opinion

on the post left so the people we're

talking about

is um

who are we talking about here we're

talking about

the the people i know from twitter who

are like that is

anna ketchum sorry for mispronouncing

her name

uh

the other girl uh

amy teresi

theresa

and i don't know who else

that's the only two i know

but all i'll say on that is that i i the

problem is one-sidedness you know if you

get too caught up in opposing wokeness

sometimes

if you're not dialectic you know what i

mean like

but

post-left

i don't know dude

we're about that infrared vision you

know so does that make us post left i

don't know

but i don't know yeah i don't know what

to tell you

i don't want to critique people like

sorry let me tell you props to amy

terese though because i kind of don't

want to critique her be and i just want

to leave her alone even even though i

don't know if i agree with everything

she says but i remember when she

attacked warren

and she was the only one doing it and

then warren betrayed bernie

and nobody gave her props and i've seen

her do things like that for others

so i don't want to attack her you know

because maybe she's on to something i

wish her the best of luck but i'm just

not up you know

um

feeder kid philosophy with strong

left-wing

bias yeah

what's cool about both jason and caleb

is when they engage with each other it's

in good faith about his ideas no slander

oh that he invited kale for a discussion

that's good but

we would be respectful if someone invite

wanted us to have a discussion we would

be very respectful it's only when people

disrespect us

that we go at king kong mode you know

yeah i i think like some like respectful

like discussion uh would probably be

good for uh you know marxist leninist

just so that we can kind of break out of

this kind of like cycle of you know all

this all the same stuff being you know

thrown back you know at each other and

like you know reflected back at us we

can you know kind of you know move

forward you know start to you know

embrace uh yeah yo yo some someone i

didn't watch the whole thing but like

the way vosh i think engages with people

in debate is like maybe i'm wrong about

this i haven't watched enough but like

we're super aggressive he invites them

on it's just like screaming at each

other but it's like it's not trans it's

not out of transgression you know i

think it's just for

drama or something like josh doesn't

have what i have he can't go super

saiyan like me i know that forever he

tries to though he tries too well i've

seen him try to but it's like you know

it's all it's fake it's very clearly

i can see past him he will never go

super saiyan i mean

vosh will never ever defeat haas okay

putting that out there

the ends of post-leftism is no

end

oh you're talking about post-left

anarchy okay i don't like pre-post or

present anarchy i think it's all

[ __ ] i wipe my ass

uh

not to fear

post anarchist i'm not i'm not a fan of

i'm not a fan of it

not a fan of it

is

is that like guitar i don't want to it's

like

people so full of themselves that

they're like

we are now in the i don't like any of

that aesthetic i hate endnotes i don't

like communization

i don't like all of that [ __ ] man is

a waste of time

all that stuff comes out it's all an

extension of the 60s you know i

mentioned the board but like bluffing

esotericism that pretends like it has

some insight that it's leading you on

into revealing and it's like guys we are

in the mid shut up dude endnotes is a

waste of time

not you shut up but i'm saying to them

debate bro talk culture is very toxic

yeah dude but we we are talk the world

is toxic you know what i'm saying

where's the head of the curve

there's nothing like houses microsoft

paint

did you open up microsoft paint last

time

yeah he did he did he made

quite a few drawings

the chat really liked it the chat really

liked it though

yeah dude sometimes you seem to put it

visually and people will understand if

you say it visually you know

okay

so that you can discover a new way of

thinking haas is like hassan [ __ ] no

i'm not dude

i'm nowhere near

dude no i'm not

we're just both middle eastern

i mean caleb is trying to build

an irl marxist think tank

but i feel i keep hearing about this i

don't know um

what

what it is he's doing i mean

i've never looked into this actually

yes you guys aren't part of that

debatable proc i'm just saying that's

what i know but vosh like he doesn't

understand if vosh

accepts our trap

in front of all his viewers and

followers

it'll be king kong vs godzilla but i

don't know the outcome of that movie so

i'm gonna say

no not vice godzilla be king kong versus

um the koopa from mario

i was rolling when he draw the autism

box

[Laughter]

dude it's better for me because i don't

know the context so i don't know what

the autism box is we can debate this we

can blame destiny for the debate bro

culture

destiny

i think destiny's honest

from what i know about him he seems like

he's honest

you know he seems like an honest guy

i just feel like he has a curse in him

he has some like pent-up curse inside of

him

where he just feels like he has to be

this

anglo rationalist or else he's going to

be devoured by the big wide world out

there

but

he's kind of a tragical figure

you guys don't know about all this [ __ ]

right you don't know like all this

you know what destiny guys

uh i've seen like one video of him and i

had a pretty low opinion uh that was a

while ago though uh but yeah i i had a

pretty low opinion of him from the like

one video i saw but that was that was

like maybe a year ago or so um i've only

heard of him in relation to like bosh uh

basically after that so yeah quindy uh

can we make emojis

on youtube

because yeah i'll we'll [ __ ] do that

100

oh custom emojis

is that an option

you can uh

apparently there's such a thing as

custom emojis i don't know that would be

kind of fresh we do infrared globe

yo isn't that uh maybe i'm a dumb match

isn't it the thing that um bosh does

when someone donates like a salamander

or something or is that just uh

like the emoji comes up or something

i don't know i never seen it dunk i'm

not turkish no

um

destiny is like vosh but somehow worse

i think vosh is worse i just think

vosh is like a moralized destiny but

more moralism

he justified the vietnam war by saying

socialism wasn't strong enough to defend

itself

you for yeah vos is so paradoxical dude

he on the one hand he's an anarchist but

on the other hand he made a video where

he's like

the thing is is that if you try to

have socialism america is gonna attack

you

but it's like what the [ __ ] and but you

just said you have to defend america

from rush you know it's like

bad contradictions abound

you first got to get affiliate or

partnered and we'll never get partnered

on youtube dude

you can go on modern day debates to get

more exposure

how would you counter no i don't like

debates with rules no rules you know how

would you counter the idea that marxism

leninism is social democracy pain in red

because g-man social democracy means

nothing today

whenever you see that word just ignore

it it means nothing today

that word [ __ ] doesn't mean anything

it's just a bunch of ultra leftist

lame ass left calm dumbasses using that

word

they don't know what the [ __ ] they're

talking about

and but if you want to know the

difference g man it's about

people think it's again nothing is ever

all the same the difference is

concerning the political

anti-establishment revolution just

because you seem like you have the same

policies doesn't mean you have the same

political position in relation to the

concrete world you live in okay don't

ever use the word social democracy as

far as bernie was concerned when they

were trying to rig the vote against him

in 2016 it doesn't matter what his

[ __ ] policies were he was on the side

of the people

the thing that is not superficial

terminology

ideologies like sock damage that [ __ ]

means nothing dude

you gotta get get that out of your head

wash his own website with separate chats

what a weirdo

say social democracy pain red is better

than plain old capitalism i wouldn't say

that at all i think all the people who

talk about social democracy are left

calm

and ultra leftist

idiots

and i don't see what this is so

significant about this word social

democracy

it's so it's almost like they're

assuming

that

people care about this fake esoteric

idea of communism they have in their

head but they're repressing and they're

they're compromising with social

democracy it's like bernie was like

well instead of the communism we're

gonna just have social demand bernie

wasn't thinking about your [ __ ] uh

meaningless idea of communism in his

head and honestly

you guys want to know the trick and key

of left com hipster [ __ ] communism

they think communism is

when they don't have to deal with adult

responsibilities

and growing up and being a [ __ ] man

let me just say manning the [ __ ] up

they think communism means

there's no more

stratifications there's no more

there's no more hardship you know it's

like this [ __ ] hipster [ __ ] oh

well in communism no one's going to

judge me for being a little [ __ ]

shut up dude that's why it's liberalism

though yeah that's why it's liberalism

in a different guide

in communism i'm gonna be able to paint

my flowers

uh and i can just do i can just write my

shitty poetry and i don't have to work

and then you know my dad's not gonna

yell at me and and uh and then i'll be

fine

dude i'm so sick of it

yeah it's a it's such a loser mentality

uh and it's it's a big excuse uh and

that's also why i think they focus so

much on uh

minorities or just people they perceive

as like not doing as well they use it as

like a big black male so they can get

away for

you know

not being you know

successful or whatever

uh duncancino are you persian no i'm i'm

between those two uh my parents are from

lebanon so i'm arabic

uh

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i think it was a historical moment or

movement you know

just the way i even think about it i

mean they used to just call it like

german social democracy russian social

democracy and i think just that

it's kind of like the uh

endings that you mentioned

it kind of shows to me at least the

objective significance of what then was

social democracy as a movement because

bolsters emerges from this you know

russian social democracy everything is

on the surface if they're not calling

themselves social democracy and social

guys there's distinctions in reality

itself the whole point of words is to

clarify those distinctions so don't

superimpose

a cultic forms behind phenomena that

don't need to be there like social if

like

like just call bernie a socialist

because that's what it means in america

you know what i mean don't don't invent

these but another thing too

sorry i don't want to cut you off but um

also real politics thank you so much i

appreciate it but alexander the real

movement

but endnotes talks about the real

movement too and for them they assume

that means another world is possible for

marx that means there's a tendency in

actual reality that is the world itself

being changing itself and which

obviously involves people but

the real movement that sublights the

present state of things is something

that's happening objectively in actual

reality that's why we shouldn't even get

caught up with the whole

thing about communism

when you call yourself a communist that

doesn't mean you want an end goal of

some certain society the society the new

society that's going to happen is just a

byproduct of a more fundamental process

what are some so many tankies against

the death penalty

i don't know i don't know

strangely left comes criticized stalin

for circling yeah i know they criticize

them because of socialist commodity

production because they're [ __ ]

they're so [ __ ] stupid and they don't

understand

that stalin's work about social

commodity production is [ __ ]

brilliance

it's pure brilliance

and i can explain it sorry grayson go

ahead i don't want to cut you off

oh no i was going to say on the with

with what you're saying about socialism

i think that's also a tendency we should

probably

like with objective and subjective

socialism

i would even like i'm just saying that

to clarify if you use that you just have

to clarify but it's also not even as

simple as that i mean don't get caught

up in these dogmas it really is just

contextual when you're talking about

socialism or anything capitalism you're

just describing phenomena you know it's

not like you get the reality begins from

the word you know what i mean so like

even when we say objective socialism

i don't i if i'm talking to someone

about it i don't say that i just say

socialism and i think they'll get

intuitively what you mean you know what

i mean

guys

if you want to know what i think the

meaning of the word communism is when it

pops up into my head

i hope one day he comes on cocky duty

will come on we're going to have a

sci-fi talk and then i'm going to reveal

reveal to you my sci-fi idea of the cp

usa in 2036. in the usa

to me communism

just it's it's a the word has this

connotation of vastness bigness

think of fond winon's drawings communism

is supposed to it's not some this has

nothing to do with like

some criticism of society you know

communism is about

um

a force

uh the force of

dialectic you know

i don't know i can't explain it that

that well

you know i think that real politics is

kind of on the money i mean obviously

it's a communism is a process that's

more accurate i think than just saying

it's a it's an ideology

i feel like all communism is capital c

communism it's has a political

connotation that's associated with the

experience of the soviet union in china

and it's referring to this vortex in

reality

just

at its most fundamental i don't know

it always harped the phrase the real

movement

i know but even that the even that thing

is is abused you know because then they

say what is the true real movement and

what is the false real movement and then

they completely miss the point failing

to understand everything's on the

surface and also considering stalin's

policy of gradual but consistent

reduction of working hours yeah that's

the whole jehu thing

that jehu talks about

get someone to debate in here

is there anyone who wants to debate this

makes me because in like in ecuador

socialism means [ __ ] the imf and build

trains i know dude but can you imagine

some left communist

so-called left communist what a [ __ ]

word coming to the ecuadorian people and

saying no that's not real socialism

that's just capitalism and you're fake

[ __ ] off man you know

before you said that what communism is

uh is i'm sorry i don't know it's

electrification of the country you know

yeah let's go back to stuff like that

alexander ruthless criticism

is the most abused one of all

people forget marx's hegelian background

context what was the context of marx's

ruthless criticism it wasn't

maximal edginess toward everything in

society

for marx that he was coming from

philosophy it was from the perspective

of breaking with philosophy it has a

totally different meaning ruthless

criticism of all that exists it refers

to a certain epistemy epistemic

relationship to being that's coming from

this breakage with philosophy so

for marx ruthless criticism is really

positive it's a positive thing it's not

a negative type of edginess like how

these left calm idiots try to make it

punk rock retards sorry i don't use our

word but marx was not punk rock guys

okay he didn't he didn't mean it in the

punk rock way that everyone's wrong and

he's right

ruthless criticism for marx

means a fundamental openness to the

concrete ground

of society and being

why don't you debate him debate who

doesn't that justify supporting

so-called leftists

that then betray the people either in

that country or in the well don't worry

about it don't worry if there's gonna be

a betrayal later okay and who knows

what's a betrayal what's not a betrayal

and i don't i don't think everyone

agrees with amlo being

full only being traitors at all robert

because our guy jorge who lives in

mexico he wouldn't agree with that amlo

are traders he for him amlo is ambiguous

and that it's a platform

and you know

it's kind of almost kind of like putin

like what are you what was your

expectation that was betrayed you know

that's my impression at least if you

thought you wouldn't betrayed anyone you

had really bad expectations

um even if that was true i mean the

whole point is that uh even if you like

betrays or whatever and what that means

but it opens the doors still i mean you

can go you can go you can pick up where

it's left off but if you just if you

just always are cowering and fear what

could happen i mean look listen the

bolsheviks debated this right kamen ya

vincenovia didn't want to have

we didn't want to have revolution in the

same way because uh if you have to take

doesn't jesus talk about that right it's

like you have to have this taking risk

taking risks you know can't be afraid of

this you preemptively close it the

problem put yourself in the thick of it

first worry about the consequences later

that's the whole point the other day i

watched a video yeah my issue with this

idea of marxism as a critique

critical i think critical is an abused

word now and there's a word there's an

article i want you guys to read by sadie

plant

who is friends with nick land in the 90s

she wrote an article called cyber

positive and i 100 kind of [ __ ] with

that vibe over critique critique is just

some guy sitting on a [ __ ] chair

thinking about

like who are you to critique anything

you know that's my view

that the word is abused it meant

something else in marx's time

because in marx's time everyone was

sitting on that chair right so i don't

agree with critique i i like more sadie

plant cider cyber positive type vibe you

know look it up sadie plant cyberpunk

i'm gonna type in the chat

sadie plant

cyber positive

i feel like that word is like a word

that mainly like graduate students and

professors use as an excuse to like

write meaningless papers

that's that's mainly the context i've

heard the word critique get used in like

you know when talking to people as far

as like leftism goes marxism is not

critical i completely agree macbeth head

critical theory is something so

different than marx's ruthless criticism

you know marxism is not an intellectuals

tradition marxism is for tough-minded

[ __ ] who unite the mighty the

body and the mind it's not for point

dexter nerds who are [ __ ] quirky

drama feeder kids

that's not what marxism is about guys

marxism is some marxism is like um

it's it's even more than jordan peterson

in terms of like

think about who who who the boat not you

know not the cop went but who who the

bolsheviks recruited you know what was

the stuff of [ __ ] dicks you know

or any or any any kind of i didn't like

that kind of connotation i think you

mentioned it but it's like it almost

complicates hardness yeah you know

both of these

were

tough og [ __ ] that were robbing

banks and [ __ ]

and mensheviks were these little point

dexter nerd

nerds

you know that's that's what was going on

i'm telling you straight that's what's

going on same thing in china

red scare tvs armchair communist anya

well we are experiencing an objective

break with the current american paradigm

i would say that very critique is

necessary i don't agree that it's i

don't like to call it critique

i don't like to call it critique i think

critique is superfluous the

contradiction between appearance and

essence that gives that gives meaning to

the word critique alexander i find it

superfluous today and to me i like to

under for me new objectivity which is

the theoretical orientation we

introduced on this channel but it's a

lot of writings i'm doing and [ __ ] for

me that means

it's more along the lines not the same

thing as sadie plant cyber positive

which means

the contradiction between appearance and

essence isn't done from the perspective

of the true form okay that's what i

think is substantialism for me

that contradiction is reconciled in

something that's already positive

something already objective

yeah not to get too deep in the weeds

but like even when you mention like true

forms kind of it also has a platonic

connotation that's why that kind of you

know materialism people assume

is idealist is idealist because why

because you're ascribing to the thing a

final definitive form that you know that

the material takes but it forecloses uh

it forecloses the actual developments in

history that you have no control over

that you have no control over you know

and that's the issue i think was like

critical theory right it's it's not that

you should be uh

you know passive i suppose but it's that

uh it's that it forecloses newness it

forecloses i feel like you know every

time i hear critical theory i hear

people complicating things that are

going on critical with regards to occupy

wall street critical with regards to the

arab spring critical with the guard that

doesn't actually engage with what's

going on right it forecloses it because

it has in its mind it doesn't admit this

but it kind of final eschatology

it hides this the point is to make this

apparent yeah you know what i'm saying

it's a type of pontification to arrest

and completely

smother a real raw phenomena with all

these little pontificating point dexter

nuanced analysis that ends up with what

mentor like intellectual masturbation

type of [ __ ] you want to know my

response to critique is it's [ __ ]

bane

from batman that's what i'm about you

know what i'm saying

in terms of like the vibes in my head

like

be like bane from that completely absorb

the phenomena in reality you know and

make a beautiful art make beautiful

something work

in devotion to it you know that wait yo

yo because i think we get behind the

chat but that too like um you can't when

you begin from like you know making

beautiful art like social you don't

begin from the premise ideologically if

you want from the head of socialism or

these ideas you fought you you have to

engage with the laws of whatever you're

engaging with you know if you like you

go into reality you know you're writing

a book or something you can't start with

well how do i make this a socialist book

you have to engage in the laws of

literature or art or whatever and obey

those to some extent you know

you can't like if you conform everything

to this abstract id you're committing

the same ideals air that you know we're

trying to get at you know which

ultimately does arrive in a kind of

substantialistic

view

but

um

yeah i think we're behind the chat did

you see dugan's appearance on alex jones

yeah i did and it was really funny i

liked it what advantage does china get

from integrating into the world well

it's china doesn't do anything

voluntarily it's dealing with a real

concrete situation as it actually exists

china's trying to

form win-win concrete bridges and

determinate relationships with different

countries

and it's not trying to create a new

american union polarity

so

china's that's why people critique china

saying well china doesn't fund maoist

gorillas and doesn't fund well how can

it how can it

you have to deal with you know that's

the business of each country you can't

force and export revolution it's stupid

the people who always have been trying

to export revolution were always the

internal counter-revolutionaries in the

french revolution who wanted to export

the revolution danton and all those

traitors in the mountain robespierre

said nope this is our business we're not

going to export it same thing happened

in russia stalin wanted to say no

socialism in this country they wanted to

export it to other why because they want

to take the pressure off of their own

country and throw it onto others that's

the whole business of exporting

revolutions

and another thing to think about is i

think just by china existing that itself

is revolutionary because it's not just

that uh they integrate into the world

economy right it's also the other way

around uh they have an objective effect

on the world economy themselves you know

just by their you know their mere

existence in the role they play in it

and that's you know that plays a role in

transforming uh the world

you have polarity sorry multipolarity

itself is revolutionary yeah it doesn't

matter if it's iran it doesn't matter if

it's russia london writes about this

right i mean he writes about the same

thing is that it's not only just not

your business you're not from the

country you know you can't criticize

from this detached standpoint but that

the actual process of

multi-polarity that is how you arrive at

more authentic uh internationalism it's

like it's like this disc about human

rights human rights abstract liberal

human rights that's the extension of it

mr cyber cyber that was just my limited

advice and i already said what you're

saying i'm coming from reverse western

propaganda well mr cyber server why is

putin still in power clearly he has some

kind of base and i just don't like this

arrogant attitude some people have that

it's just like all the russian those

people those boomers are all dumb and if

only we can you know it's just kind of

like

i don't know it's it's not my business

but i i would always i would just wonder

you know why is putin still in power

where is his base who's the silent

majority that's supporting backing him

up and what about what about russia

makes it so that you it's not going to

be a liberal western democracy and i i

don't think uh russian civilization will

be a western liberal democracy ever

that's my perspective my view of it

that's what i mean by outputting i don't

mean supporting putin i just mean

doing better than putin what putin is

trying to do which is give expression to

russia's unique civilization but maybe

i'm completely wrong

i'm already approaching this from the

pov but here's the thing alexander is

that those

those things like the protests in the

cap i'm so sick of leftists who think

that

any expression of like moving bodies and

riots and [ __ ] is somehow that means

there's change happening in reality wall

street bets just change happening but

those kind of things just seem like

porn for left comms to jack off to and

think there's a this is the raw material

of a revolutionary aesthetic when it's

not it's kind of just cringe

how do we string these phenomena we

don't have to dude because the lockdown

protests

are completely a different thing the

capital hill riots thing is the kind of

tragedy

um which is only defined based on the

response to it but especially the

anti-lockdown protests you know jesus

talks about how these leftist

intellectuals are always celebrating

these carnival like oh everyone getting

out on the streets and it's free

emancipation it's ah yeah and then i

don't got it i don't buy any of it okay

i think it's super cringe i got nothing

to do with it

um

western leftists love to say but china

is imperialist so is my enemy

boomers vote communist party in russia

and who supports putin then

maybe i don't know i just don't know

just i think it's the pensioners

i think it's about the pensioners in uh

in russian eastern bloc yeah

but i just want to know like why is

putin in power you know that's my

question

um just china existing is vital for the

left in so many countries

yeah

very true very true

when syriza won greece china was the one

who helped them when the eu is [ __ ]

them over

um

is genuinely non-counter-revolutionary

exportation of revolution possible

non no it's not possible to explore

revolutions at all g-man it's simply not

it's not possible to export a revolution

actually the latest episode of euphoria

had a really good rant about how this

generation deals with revolution

yeah dude i'm sick of this kind of

i'm sick of the cold i'm sitting i'm

sick of aesthetics of revolution i'm

sick of this idea that like

you know guys just

have a better fantasy think of batman

and [ __ ]

because

this is a sorry

replacement is the is like the [ __ ]

antifa black block [ __ ]

it's just cringe it's a cringe form of

larp why larp when you can just watch a

nice movie like batman

and

you know if you want us you don't have

that's not like reality that's can

guys revolutions are never

beautiful

okay in as in terms of like moments in

time that involve bodies of people

that are storming

it's they're never like this magical

moment a revolution is magical only

from the perspective of it already

being happening you know like you guys

don't watch that movie reds

the really long one the russian don't

don't watch reds yeah yeah no watch

watch uh the third batman

exactly dude the reds are such a cringe

[ __ ] movie

i hate that that's exactly what i'm

talking about this

self-masturbation

[ __ ] fantasizing about what a

revolution is gonna look like dude it's

never gonna look like how you think

it's but you may as well you should

expand your fantasy

not because that's gonna actually happen

exactly like that in reality but because

there's this relationship between

virtuality and actuality that i can't

get into right now but

like being says batman was about rep oh

i'm sorry

batman fearing the bat to become the bat

that is revolution no batman is about

the existential crisis of america

american society that's how i see it at

least

you know christopher nolan is a is

either explicitly or implicitly he's a

conservative

he's conservative but i think that's

that's what gives his kind of uh take on

i'm just i'm talking about the third one

but honestly i think the first one is

based i'll just talk with you about this

this because like it's almost in it's uh

it's

without any of this kind of um

uh

fantasies about what a revolution is

that you getting like reds or are you

getting uh dr zhivago or something you

know

i mean obviously that doesn't mean like

you know

imitating this this thing about matching

the vibe this thing about revolution two

is that people don't understand the

scale at which revolutions happen

and they don't understand

um that by the time there's a political

revolution it's already happened

you know what i mean like by the time

you know the government's being

overthrown

it's all the real revolution already

happened you know that's just the

spectacle part of it in a way you know

that's not actually the site of the

revolutionary change

the real revolution is way more

protracted than a lot of people think is

it possible that putin and it's not

something voluntarily forced either

there's a revolution happening right now

in america it's just that communists and

socialists are not leading it

but it's an objective thing revolutions

are cyclical

you guys remember that i think i linked

to you that that of that guy um

what's his name that

muslim philosopher and he talked about

how the cyclical nature of revolut and

it's like this aristotle and ster area

whatever [ __ ]

it's like that it's almost like that you

know

even if you say that it's impossible not

to have fantasy i know dude i'm saying

have a better fantasy and don't try to

never try to enact your fantasies either

never try to we don't quit i'm not

critiquing revolutionary fantasies as i

have fantasies too it's just that i'm

not

i'm not cringe and i i don't enact them

because i know there's a difference like

i i love the bane batman [ __ ] but you

actually think i'm gonna dress up as

bane and like try to do that it's like

that's how you be a clown

we might get some viewers why

if you did that if you went you went if

you dressed up like that you went super

saiyan and you scoot so hours

um

look at all this viewers

what are you going to say grayson

oh nothing

poopy is it possible that's another

question poopy is it's like

i understand that i understand that a

lot

um i understand he could have passive

support

but i would just say

that you know um

why can't communists promise that same

type of

paradoxical stability that putin does

is my question that's kind of what they

represent i think the kprf gets a lot of

support in russia it's consistently been

i think the second most supported

russian party but it's because they kind

of represent the stability of going back

to

some kind of form of uh i don't want to

overuse this term but stable way of life

stable being right yeah

that's where i get from talking to um

we gotta first dislike to people like

that it's our only dislike so far wow i

thought

guys you know something crazy on our

previous stream we had seven dislikes

and now it's at three so either people

stopped hating us or someone was really

mad and made multiple accounts to

dislike us when you are think when you

think you're bane but you're actually

the joker

it's kind of like that yeah it is kind

of like that

i mean face masks are noble eyes now

nobody would turn an eye when you go out

like vain

true but you know what i mean you know

you know what i mean like whenever you

try to enact a fantasy in your head it's

cringe never think that a lot of

leftists have this idea that revolution

just means i'm going to be able to enact

my fantasy and that's why furries and

leftists are the same thing

literally

it it is a little bit different though

because like i mean you remember when

that old joke move i think some i think

matt j just referenced it right

the new one sorry

i mean you had protesters you know

putting on face paint or whatever and

that's when you know obviously it's a

fantasy they're making connection to a

you know a literal to a movie but it's

got a different significance it's not

just from the head right i think even

then they were taking a kind of ironic

distance they were being like yeah this

is pretty much how it is but they

weren't actually

that's why it's different you know

that's why when it gets enacted that way

it's a different it's a whole different

animal cyber cyber there are no

communist party in russia

i don't know about that cyber cyber i

heard that the youth groups of the kprf

there's a lot of interesting

things going on there and

in these

northern arctic there's something it i

don't know but i don't know i don't know

i never missed a cyber cyber i never

liked this idea that there's no true

you know the true communist the true

socialist you know work with what's on

the surface because surfaces are

powerful that's my uh advice to you

surfaces are powerful you know

purpling yellow says to be fair there's

a lot of knots

yeah what do you think the nazis were

doing they were larping and to some

extent they were drawing from these kind

of uh old traditions that angles by the

way used to draw from angles and

marxists would draw from but the nazis

were not actually assuming the tradition

they were just kind of

appropriating the uh the appearance the

appearance real politics

sorry real politics has equals communist

realism

i really like that a lot dude i love

that word communist realism so much

reminds me to find one on neat feet but

how does your youtube channel start it

didn't start out as a fantasy

no it didn't it started out as a vibe

there's between a vibe and a fantasy a

vibe oriented to you towards some

creative impulse that you're actually

going to work and create on something

but

it's a youtube channel dude so we do

have creative freedom to be like you

know a little bit

artistic fantasy a fantasy is like

closed it's like a stable image

it's like it's a wavelength you know

it's like you're feeling something or a

fantasy is directly about

your ego like your self-image like a

fantasy would be like if i

was on camera with you guys right now

and i was pretending to be you know the

next revolutionary leader and i was like

wearing the mao

uh clothing and i was like listen up

guys the first thing you got to do is

that you know what i'm saying i'm like

doing [ __ ] like that

and i was like i was like larping as

this guy was like all right guys we're

going to encircle the camp down with the

revisionist donald

you know what i'm saying like i was

saying all these phrases and [ __ ] that's

that's what it means

but on the other side would a change in

collective fantasy reflect a change in

reality

alexander almexia think of collective

fantas fantasies it's kind of supervised

to call fantasy as polarities

orientations vibes and oscillations it's

always happening there's always a flux

there's always a flux of this kind of

collective fantasy that's happening and

it is always oscillating and changing in

reality

um

at least there are organizations

got to go great jim see you later red

nandonian

glad having you here

yeah i feel like i kind of like this ape

emoji that's getting thrown around

i'm down with that [ __ ] yeah let's have

it

yeah king kong type [ __ ] you know this

yeah this is how you replicate tanki but

with uh without the tank emoji

big ass gorilla

on i got a

dm hold

on uh

whoa

cocky just messed with me

oh the person we interviewed a little

dude it's cocky dude if cocky can come

up oh yeah yeah that would be on the

stream is he watching

um

i don't know

i have no idea

dude if we can get cocky to come on

black red guard said if you don't have a

gun you're an idiot and are going to get

killed by fascists

yeah okay

and on doctor he was on dr phil

i want to watch that link me that dm me

on twitter wait unless cocky comes on

um dude we we gotta have cocky on twice

because we're not gonna have enough time

to have this huge discussion but i guys

want you to listen to cocky

cocky's a [ __ ] legend

last [ __ ] i may oh [ __ ] dude if he comes

on

this stream is gonna be it's gonna turn

from like

the content right now is like we're at a

seven out of ten it's gonna go all the

way to a [ __ ]

i don't know dude he said he may

dude

[ __ ] tank tractors are the real

proletarian vehicle

[Laughter]

yeah

dude

i'm i may spectate but i'm very far into

a screwdriver no food so today's not the

day for me to talk about it's

john doe based on the earlier thing

marxism is simply a way of seeing the

world or comprehending it critiqued me

as a cinematic philosopher yeah actually

i [ __ ] with that

mid understanding clarifying the world

yeah clarifying based on an earlier

thing marxism is simply uh yeah

sorry you just read that sorry

we're adding double emphasis

dude this [ __ ] guys do i know what i

think though if you're living in america

i i don't know grayson what do you think

cuz you never actually told me what you

think and henry also

this communist party thing what do you

guys think about it

i brought it up to you about a year ago

you remember oh yeah i know but i'm i'm

coming at it from a kind of different

angle now it's almost like no no

yeah yeah no i get it because

you mentioned it but that's kind of my

vibe with it too it's like

it's futuristic you know like men in

jumpsuits like submarine lights you know

what i mean

like i like the symbol too i like the i

like the logo not to be like two on

brand but [ __ ] with the simplicity it's

just like yeah dude communist party big

infrastructure you know what i'm saying

like fun on type of belton road

connecting america just like dead

stranding type of vibe you know like um

tesla cyber truck you got a machine gun

mounted on the back and you're defending

the oil field in the salt desert in

nevada and [ __ ] you know i'm like all

sorts of things in my head i'm thinking

about and i really [ __ ] with

i feel like it's so familiar too like

it's like it's it's such a familiar

thing to people you know the communists

i know dude that's why

and i could i could i would not be

embarrassed just telling people like so

what party are you but i'm part of the

communist party and like whoa communism

and it's like you know like it's it'd be

that [ __ ] simple to hit it off yeah

yeah honest simple and familiar

poopy

i was thinking

what if what if the communist party of

the usa could be revived because

aesthetically i [ __ ] with the idea of

that so heavily and i love the name

communist party usa because it's

literally part of the american tradition

and it harkens back and i have this kind

of sci-fi communist realism vision of it

and yeah i definitely think like fanun's

drawings painting like art it gives a

concrete kind of idea of what this what

this vibe looks like vibe you know not

fantasy but

yeah cp usa not the uh

sorry

no no oh someone said belton road was

imperialist what do you say to that

i don't think they know what the [ __ ]

they're talking about dude

but um yeah i think chinese

road and that kind of stuff i feel like

it represents a

a way of thinking about uh like

real

mobilization of people and development

having goals and visions big goals and

visions beyond war

you know i feel like china goes to war

to benefit the people and developing i

don't know i kind of i [ __ ] with the but

aesthetically too communist cp usa

representing this kind of lyndon

larouche belton road because linda

larouche i don't want to get down to

labor hill he's really down for that

belt and road type of [ __ ] just like

death stranding connecting america

i [ __ ] with cp usa dude i [ __ ] with it

like not i don't know

cell prolet says yeah yeah cp usa exists

but it's real due to it the leadership

is the leadership is i've had i've had

bad experiences with talking with local

leadership but it's more just

directionlessness i don't even know like

it's kind of cool it's led by old people

sure but it's like

you know they've been through it all i

guess you know

like that was when it was you know there

was a soviet union and so on you know

um

yeah so i was just telling

style pro uh

in the chat um

yeah dude the [ __ ]

i don't care about their politics and i

know it's really shitty and stuff but i

just feel like

that name you know and that

tradition

it's the brand it's the brand it really

is yeah because it means something it

means something objective you know i

want the brand okay how do you guys

determine if something is revolutionary

or not

we don't give that much weight to

it's like

i don't know what you mean you know like

uh

we don't we don't we don't see

we don't see that as like a litmus test

we don't subject things to a test to

determine if they're revolutionary or

not we come into contact with events and

we you know

and i guess there's something going on

that

familiar with pc usa i heard bad things

about them actually recently i heard bad

things about them um but i don't know

but uh

yeah we're not like one of those people

who's like i don't i don't like

puritanism you know i don't like

puritanism where it's like

this is the true revolutionary you know

it's like i just thinking vibes pretty

much you know what i'm saying

uh

there's no like solid you know

i don't know i can't explain it what is

revolutionary

i mean what is what is what are we

talking about you know like

what is the concrete

significance and implication of a

certain given phenomena

for

the situation we find ourselves in you

know

i guess that's how i put it

but a lot of things is also like based

on signals

and what i mean by that is like it's not

about the actual thing itself but about

what that means on a collective level

so you also have to think in that way

whether something is revolutionary is

decided after the fact

true in a way that's true g-man it's

very true in a way how do you determine

if a moment is revolutionary or

reactionary

um that kind of depends because i don't

i mean like iran was uh like the iranian

regime and with the from a marx

perspective yeah it's it's it's

geopolitically revolutionary i don't

think moments are ever reactionary i

think intentions are reactionary

moments i don't think are ever react

reactionary intentions can be

reactionary goal of visions can be

reactionary

but a moment

i feel like you know you got to have a

sense of being and you have to sense an

objective unfolding of time it's almost

fatalistic and accelerationist in a

sense

maybe even think about like if it is a

moment if it can be called a moment

that's the litmus test man because that

means that something outside of you know

your your head it's not simply like

the expression of some views but it's

objectively you know it's in the real

world see alexander the issue is

basically that we don't think there's

such a thing as revolutionary or

reactionary in the abstract there's a

concrete political situation there's a

concrete atmosphere there's a real

situation so basically what we're

talking about is like in regards to what

because i'll give an example the

anti-lockdown protests

it seemed like that was some democrat

party type of you know what i'm saying

like pro-establishment that's how we

determine that but we didn't say is this

pure revolutionary or reactionary we

just analyzed this relationship to the

real

american politics that exists you know

or situation

um we don't we don't care about the word

revolutionary in a vacuum it doesn't

really mean anything

do you think the communist party is a

party that calls themselves such

i think it depends not not universally

not always but

brands do matter they do matter and

they're very powerful and surfaces

matter too

so you know in the context of america

i'm starting to really kind of like the

simplicity and familiarity of that um

and also i i can't think of

like any other kind of label um

that would really hold the same kind of

weight

um or even have the same kind of honesty

behind it because like the thing is if

you call yourself some kind of leftist

uh in america you you're gonna get

associated to all the wrong kinds of

people and they're gonna think you're

you know an extremist uh

anyways but if you're if you're just

kind of an honest person about

you know what you are and then you can

show like what that means and practice

you know by what you're doing

uh then it's different so yeah

funny thing is that the anti-lockdown

mode was a turning point for me

that is crazy

it's like a concrete break from the

official bernie left but i don't know if

that's good because i feel like that's

like also a lot of left-com type of like

we're the true revolutionaries and that

was just suck them now the real

revolution's happening

so i don't know you know we all have bad

origins but and there's nothing wrong

with that

i don't know i feel like

that's interesting you know i i didn't

feel like there was anything

anti-establishment about the

anti-lockdown oh what the [ __ ] am i

thinking

i'm such an idiot dude i'm such an idiot

i thought you meant the cr the the um

spring and summer protests

he meant the anti-lockdown i was i was

thinking of the black black matter

protest i was thinking of like

i was an adult i was confused

[ __ ] [ __ ] i can't believe i

misunderstood that i literally thought

he meant

the um because that because to me

in my head those are anti-la those are

people bored of being in lockdown that's

why that's why yeah i was thinking about

the same thing i thought you were

talking about like chaz and all that

stuff my bad dude my i'm really it was a

moment in which i felt am completely

isolated from the entire left

i wonder if that's

i wonder if that's something that

repeats itself you know

because i've seen a lot of people like

that just haven't seen anyone like come

out and

dude alexander your words make so much

more sense now i honestly they make so

much more sense now i literally

thought you were referring to something

so different

sorry any modern revolution in the west

would be a digital one not this romantic

idea

yeah i mean the the digital one will

have consequences for the real world but

there's no point in just focusing on the

real world and fixating on it just don't

worry about it there will be a change in

the actual reality don't worry about

that though

knows the michigan protest okay okay the

entire dream

okay i see where you're coming from now

i see where you're coming from now i

agree with you i actually agree with you

that kind of was when the left started

more directly like uh agreeing or taking

the same size establishment and the

police was it kind of started there you

know it culminated into the capitol hill

thing but that's that's kind of where it

started yeah

yeah that's really true that's really

true

a lot of people even at like the

organizations of mice i'm at university

you know they they were those are the

you know those are the people that they

were making a big fuss over like the

whole thing that united them was kind of

this disgust and public display of uh

you know resistance or whatever

you know there was there was no like

left us talking about if you did that

you were immediately in the camp of the

rights that's what people associate

voila is asking so is leftist what

should we do

i feel like i know i'm not going to give

a satisfactory answer but again i feel

like think about it differently don't

think in terms of charity and

voluntarily just doing [ __ ]

think about where you are because that's

where the real struggle is is this

battle over being itself

so if you just

stan if you're like take infrared right

infrared we're just chilling right but

we have such a heterodox view that we

represent this kind of vortex that's

making a lot of people butt hurt and

[ __ ]

we're just chilling you know i'm saying

we're just out here being ourselves so

just be yourself in a sense stay true to

yourself don't cave into establishment

type of thinking don't cave into these

lefty cults

or any of these trendy circle jerk

masked intellectual masturbation

echo chamber type of

niches

stay true to yourself be yourself

and the world will tremble

what what the honestly the thing that

makes it that the world the thing that

makes people conservative and not

revolutionary

is when they submit to a change

that they shouldn't

they shouldn't submit to right it's like

when you when you're in a university or

you're in a workplace

and you just feel the need to just start

compromising on your

who you are fundamentally as a person

that's when you start caving in you know

that's when you start that's actually

what conserves

things you know

um yeah

the american hard left is pure virtue

signaling i know dude but if you just

don't do that you'll be surprised

how the world will change around you i

don't want to toot my own horn too much

but the sort of absolute cancellation i

mean yeah dude we're kind of

primordially cancelled

we are ourselves primordially canceled

china all those people would have become

in jail which is base which people

well no i don't think so being because

being in china

they had a locked strict lockdown but it

also corresponded to communities

on the ground organizations of the

communist party on the ground making

sure people are fed and have their daily

needs and necessities and that's that

america didn't do that america just said

this is a nation of individualism but

we're going to stop the virus so [ __ ]

you fend for yourself they didn't help

anyone china's is incomparable to

america

and you know i think b.j prashad talks

about this a little bit in one of the

cal collective videos but even beyond

the communist party uh just like with

regular people a lot of people start to

step up in a very collective way to like

do their part uh when it all happened i

think i think there's just a radically

different mindset and culture uh

you know that they had in uh there

versus here you can't even compare it

yeah to be honest i feel like i feel

like being i feel like what you're

saying is like really edgy and i find it

a little cringe like we should have

concentration it's like you do too

one-sided and you're taking it to an

extreme in a cringe level you know you

don't have to be edgy dude

yo before we talk about animal rights i

know it's gonna bring up a [ __ ] storm i

gotta head out but it was it was cool

being here meeting all y'all okay see

you later integration adios

um yeah i don't know it depends on if

cocky joins or not at this point as far

as when we're gonna end it

okay but um

if he joins or not but uh

the thing about animal rights dude is

that it's cringe

you know

i mean nobody outside of the west

except

people in cities who are overeducated

give a [ __ ] about animal rights so

that's that's my take on it you know you

ever see that video of like that

that british woman who goes to algeria

and

and not algeria [ __ ] some country

like that morocco and she's like trying

to steal chickens from these

uh these bazaar merchants and it's like

dude

i feel like

uh people care more about animals than

people you know

yeah it's definitely a thing where it

corresponds to like uh just not even

having any recognition of humanity i

mean you you have a lot of people who i

mean it's even it's more widespread than

like you know you would expect to

unfortunately enjoy yo said he's coming

on

oh my god great

dude we're gonna we're gonna go to the

14th dimension now we're going on to the

13th dimension

uh

don't switch okay let me open up the

twitter

uh

let me open up my normal twitter

send him the link

and

okay on we're gonna be

hold on

we're still here guys it's just uh

i can't let you see all these

participants

um

in the zoom okay let me send you the

zoom link okay we're back

all right we're back

hey bing you gotta the thing is this

thing uh you gotta think about what

being nt mask even means in respect to

the u.s like obviously abstractly i mean

that's i mean that's wrong right you

know obviously but you have to think

about why they take that position it's

obviously like some kind of form of

resistance or like anti-establishment

sentiment

and general distrust you know these are

the same people uh

that ultimately you want to be winning

over not uh you know just throwing away

you're putting it putting in a box

uh you gotta you gotta think about

things in context like what is that like

what does that really mean uh yo being

my brain is on a video game who cares

dude what's wrong with that at least i'm

not having

fantasies about throwing people in

concentration camps

dude the legend is here

hey cocky

what's up cocky man long time no see

guys this is the one and only cocky dude

the legend

himself

can you guys hear me

yeah

oh good got this stupid gamer headset on

i heard you guys talking about him

alright

uh before i hopped on

um

dude how you doing

i'm doing good how are you guys

doing pretty good yeah i mean we uh

we just got into the streaming thing

like a week ago

it seemed like a great idea

yeah

yeah i really feel like streaming is

like the future like instead of just

writing stuff

it's like this is people want this type

of interaction you know you know what i

wish you know how like um those

i forgot the name of the website oh

billy billy you know how those billy

billy videos have the comments going

across the stream uh the the screen in

real time

i wish that's how like streaming worked

on youtube you could like see the

comments like go on going across the

screen in real time

it's a good idea like the streaming

thing i feel like the person where

everyone's like it's new it's amazing

but it's like it's not new it's just

radio

they made ham radio

like fun

and accessible

because like this is basically sort of a

radio thing where it's like people used

to sit around just listen to people talk

all [ __ ] night like that's i was

pretty normal from

radio till the modern day

you know what just come back you know

another thing i feel like is like with

streaming is like so many people are

just not doing it but that you could

know they would be so successful doing

it you know like yeah

it's it seems like it's just so easy to

just get into this you know

um

honestly if you say it is cringe maybe

you just don't really think about this

um

jake infrared vision upgraded dude cocky

has more than infrared vision he's

he's like got an aesthetic vision that's

just

unparalleled

can i come on more it can't be irregular

yeah

i got nothing going on

[Music]

oh [ __ ] man

oh yes thank you guys for inviting me on

oh no problem man no problem you're

always welcome i'm glad to have you yeah

we're all thank you glad to have you

um

yeah dude i uh

so i think we maybe want to save this

for another stream when we can like be

on for like hours and hours because i

can't be on too long maybe like another

hour

but um

as like an intro i guess is uh

the reason i want to talk about sci-fi

with you is because

you know

you're it seems like you're really um

well acquainted with the like sci-fi

literary genre in terms of like actually

reading it

yeah

i just watched movies and [ __ ] you know

i was a [ __ ] indoor child

and my mom subscribed to this thing

where it's like they would send you a

chico award winner like every month

so it's like all the like the classics

that show up in my house every month

like sci-fi [ __ ] so it's like

starts at the beginning and went to the

90s i think when we finally unsubscribed

so i've read way too [ __ ] much

that's basically

um my explanation one thing i we were

saying in our fun went on interview that

chinese artist who draws like those

sci-fi pictures

i don't know if you saw the thing but um

i'm not sure if i did

one one thing i raised with him is this

idea it's like isn't it our socialist

realism today has to be sci-fi now like

oh yeah you know what i mean

groys talked about how like socialist

realism and even like the nazi fascist

art that glorifies you know the beauty

and power of the body and all that [ __ ]

he said oh it's superhero movies it's

also like kung fu movies and [ __ ]

because he was talking about how like

fascist propaganda and kung fu movies

are sort of spookily close and they

involve like using discipline to find

like the intrinsic power of your body

like pulling it from your blood

to you know wage glorious war

and i think he's being a little

tongue-in-cheek like i don't think he's

condemned you know denouncing kung fu

movies but he's like kill bill he's like

it's a perfectly good like fascist movie

and enjoyable but it's also good fashion

one thing a lot of um these thinkers do

including bro groys they just make

fascism sound way more based than it is

they do make it sound coo

makes almost anything he talks about

sounds cooler because he talks about

liberalism like very true you're right

cool you're so [ __ ] right dude he's a

great salesman yeah like even ev you're

right dude even when he talks about

liberalism he like he makes it sound so

like

aesthetic

yeah cosmic and like it's like

aesthetically powerful blandness

some sort of universalizing blandness

i feel like the whole ml thing for me is

that

roy's just made

soviet marxism leninism sound like and i

just took that i left behind his the the

liberalism and fascism thing

and his like cause almost cosmic level

view of soviet marxism leninism and i

just took that you know yeah me too i

mean i read i'm rereading cognizant's

postscript because i'm like

like i gotta start [ __ ] reading books

again i gotta get out of the uh

deep quarantined depression that i've

been in

so i was like

yeah so it's like oh comments post group

i have a paper copy and it's tiny so i'm

going to read that and i started reading

like crime novels written by like

old-timey communist guys i'm like this

feels good this feels like i'm being

introduced to something oh what thoughts

on transformers i just saw that in the

chat can i yeah yeah yeah

all right i'm gonna address it i've only

seen two of the transformers movies and

i thought they were horrible

but i could see why they're big in china

maybe just because i think if this was

in another language that wasn't my

native language and i was watching it in

theaters i'd be delighted

because it just looks like someone

repairing a watch

like 4k

really fast

that's kind of cool

exactly the everything

it's bad from those movies it's the

[ __ ]

people talking just let me see the

[ __ ] metal and start yeah being

malleable and you know i love that kind

of [ __ ] it's cool looking it's like a

cool car commercial or something yeah

but i i actually don't i think i watched

the first one and maybe the second one

and i

there's too many

they made too many sequels you know i

couldn't keep yeah

it's like

five or six i don't know

yeah what who knows

but speaking of reading um yeah i've

been streaming a little too much like

almost every other day so i haven't

really even had time yeah you guys have

been going i keep seeing the link and

keep meaning to like oh [ __ ] i should

watch yeah it's not desperation because

we actually have an audience

that's why we do it's great yeah yeah

it's [ __ ] great we're really glad i'm

glad to see it

what's up jan

um i think that's for you cocky

no

my name starts with an a

uh

not a b

i mean some people just have birthdays

and some people have devoted friends who

just gotta shout out to a friend's

birthday and i i completely you know

what

it's like we're saying radio it's come

back the shout outs are calling in the

shout outs on

[ __ ] radio

um i don't mean to derail you guys ready

to go i came in you guys just got

immoral rights and i thought that was

interesting oh yeah yeah yeah you were

mentioning someone i have a quick little

little story on that topic okay someone

there's was someone like the class i

used to be a vegan and all this [ __ ] my

parents are we're like weird raw vegan

people

so

that that circle i kind of get um but i

knew someone and she told service she

was like i was homeless and doing sex

work is very brutal

a serious life but it was a vegan and i

like a guy tried to buy me food and i

said well can be vegan he blew up at me

like go [ __ ] yourself and she was like

okay well

that's that was step one in her not

being a vegan anymore and the second one

was she went to like

she told me she went to like an action

camp type thing you know like an

activist

style thing

uh it was unlike a um it was on a

reservation and they were going to kill

a goat and eat it as like a welcoming

thing like you know

gonna cook a big meal for everybody and

again she said a bunch of vegan like

white dreadlocks kids tried to steal the

goat

to save it

from like anti-like pipeline people

and that was her step two for like i

cannot be a vegan anymore it's too

[ __ ]

uh i guess it was too cringe that's

that's not the word she used but

basically

it's too cringe it felt like it started

to feel like exactly what she said

people are stereotyping that's like

white lip liberal leftist you know yeah

but she was like i can't [ __ ] do this

this is

perverse

you know like um

the way i've thought about it and i've

thought about this long and hard for a

long time

i believe it or not i don't hate animals

you know i like animals yeah i love

watching you videos on youtube of like

cute animals and like

elephants and [ __ ] and i'm so fascinated

i like animals and in real life i like

animals too and i like zoos a lot and

stuff but well i mean that's not

pro-animal rights but that's just you

know i find animals fascinating but the

way i thought about it too is also that

the animal world i'm not saying that the

animal world is how like the hobbsians

say it is where it's just pure chaos

because it's not for example like

there's a gazelle that just because it

showed courage to like a leopard or a

cheetah you watch these videos it's

crazy

the predators will will respect the prey

just because the praise shows courage

and i feel like there's some inner

instinct in them that's like knows how

to differentiate

predator

um animals that pray and animals that

only eat and only run away you know what

i mean by that like i don't know i'm

talking about my ass

but there's this fascinating complexity

that i'm just like so i don't believe

it's all chaos the jungle is all chaos

but at the same time

there is this kind of latent cruelty in

the animal world

and i feel like when we eat animals

we're also participating in that cruelty

absolutely we're participating in that

cruelty as the very mark of our

distinction as humans you know that's

how i've kind of come to think of it

it's almost like we have to kill animals

and eat them just to remind ourselves

that we're not animals ourselves but at

the same time humble ourselves and

remember that we do come from this

savage it's almost like a post-traumatic

um ritual of like uh survivors of some

kind of like

apocalypse that always have to

commemorate

don't forget where we come from guys

this is you know what i mean that's kind

of how i think about it it's almost like

but i i guess someone can argue with me

and be like well wouldn't that also

justify human sacrifice

and i'm thinking no

but it is kind of up the same alley it

is up the same alley but

i don't think it's the same

yeah yeah

do makes me think of uh herman uh

nietzsche

not nietzsche nietzsche whatever

he's a german artist guy n i t s c h e

he does this thing where he like will

split like you know

a goat in half and have these like

carcasses and like

i don't know how to bring [ __ ] up on

zoom this is my first time using

but it's like

if you google him and search that guy

uh you know i'm just going to type in

that if you share screen if there's like

do you see the shares

actually it should work for obs

that's weird i didn't know i didn't know

nietzsche was into like

doing doing

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apparently they sacrificed a guy but

they're just a rumor no one actually

proved it

yeah that was that was their big story

screen

yeah oh host disabled participant screen

sharing what hold on let me see

um i hate zoom multiple participants can

let me um i don't know if they can see

this

to see if they can see what we're seeing

okay they can see it they can see it i

think they can see the big gross yeah

they can see the screen

yeah here we go

yeah

they're covering like wine and animal

blood

and he because he basically says like

because he's basically moves like human

animal sacrifices like it's like a deep

part of like

like human culture basically you want to

know something you want to know what my

theory is believe it or not yeah so you

know how monkeys are kind of just

vegetarian mostly

yes

okay

i'm gonna tell you something really

weird

chimps

do eat

yes meat but

the animals they eat

are monkeys

and i feel like the reason they eat

monkeys is because that's kind of a very

primitive form of

like same species sac or it's something

weird is going on and i feel like that's

where human meat consumption came from

it's like basically the conclusion of

that

i couldn't believe it i remember

watching one of those like attenborough

like documentaries where he's doing he's

being nice and british but it's a video

of a [ __ ] chimp like two mailchimps

fought one chip one and he just [ __ ]

devours the other like half dead chimp

and then screams into the [ __ ] forest

it's terrifying it's like uh in an

amber's like we have no explanation why

uh they do this other than maybe like if

we're gonna you know answer more fries

and be like it's triumph it's you know

to instill terror

it's something primal and weird yeah

it's that freudian death drive you know

like people tend to think animals are

evil and [ __ ] animals aren't evil dude

look at lions and tigers they're just

chilling but when it comes to our

specimen of

monkey type people i don't know

that's like the colonization by the

alien invasion of

some outer metaphysical whatever

cosmological force

that gives rise to what we call humanity

you know yeah

you know what this article reminds me of

uh it kind of i know so i i had mistaken

the name of this artist for uh the

philosopher nietzsche but uh it kind of

actually reminds me a bit of like some

of nietzsche's early like just like

listening to some of the words that i

already call like early theory about

like tragedy

um and dionysus and stuff like that but

but i i just feel like this is so it's

so vain like it's it's too it's it's too

much of a direct relationship to like

uh the tragic you know it's not it's not

supposed to like actually enact this

kind of stuff like you know

are you talking about like the batai

people who

sacrifice some someone apparently uh

yeah it might be real uh it might be

related to that but uh yeah i think it's

probably related to that but uh maybe a

bit before but because uh

nietzsche you know did all this writing

about like uh you know greek tragedy and

like the you know dying okay

yeah uh but but yeah because bataille's

gang or whatever they were also obsessed

with the nietzschean tragedy as well so

i didn't

yeah yeah this is yeah yeah so we're

talking about the same thing yeah that's

what this kind of reminded me of

but i think the whole point was like you

know you're not supposed to like

directly like enact these kinds of like

these kinds of things like i think

nietzsche's whole point was there's like

an aesthetic distance you know that you

have in your relationship

uh tragedy

yeah let's i always feel like battalions

what's up where are you

what's up

um i i always feel like um

but thai takes a lot of things too

literally

all sorts of a lot of problems

yeah i was gonna say i think the the the

hermann mitch the scottie artist guy he

came from the actionists whose whole

schtick i think part of it was to

turn all this into action into something

real they were like 60s

then there's a movie sweet movie if you

haven't seen that which is like a

serbian uh movie thing from the 70s

where he goes to a commune founded by

one of the mitch's associates where like

people vomit and [ __ ] in public they're

trying to like

there's it's a

it's an amazing movie there's this

there's a big part in the movie where a

[ __ ] boat that has a proud ship that

marx's head

goes down like a canal in france i

you know let's look it up on youtube

i'll just say that it's something

i don't i can't think you guys can't

describe it in the intelligent or

philosophical way which may disappoint

uh speaking of films i uh

i've really been at a loss for good

films this year

2020 in general i don't know but i feel

like i don't know if i'm the only one

whenever i go on netflix i always have

to watch something that was made that

was released in 2020. i feel like

everything before 2020

just doesn't understand my situation

enough to relate to you know

i've got i've got two movies

for 20 20 they're making for 20 20

they're still okay let me write 20.

one uh i think this movie's become like

a meme on twitter at this point it's

[ __ ] great it's all on youtube which

is nice awaken fright

australian right

wake in fright australia

in fright yeah australian movie

about a school teacher in australia gets

trapped in a tiny

tiny town in the outback and just drinks

for two weeks straight

it has a strangely quarantined feel

and then the other movie also australia

i watched a friend re-watching the front

recently it's called the rover

and it's like sort of post-apocalyptic

but the apocalypse isn't like atomic

it's just economic

and so it's just character goes to like

those going to like shitty little like

pawn shops and [ __ ] and they keep like

trading in us dollars you know they're

in australia

and everyone just looks exhausted and

sweaty

and miserable and you see like trains

going by was like guys dressed in that

like black water operator you know like

the vests and the big beard and [ __ ]

i just was just depressed

i haven't i have to check it out i have

to see it

yeah so if not 20 20 that's at least 20

21 to whatever you know um

i watched

elita battle angel and i kind of liked

it was that good

yeah i liked it i liked it you know why

though because i was looking for a movie

like valerian to just because i want to

watch it i want to watch a big sci-fi

movie yeah it's just extremely ambitious

and

yeah

but i watched that movie valerian in

november or something i think

i actually really liked it i don't know

i can't just great

yeah same i loved it even though i'm

like this is sexist and stupid and

really stupid way

but i do love it it's a terrible movie

but i just like sitting on my couch and

at night and just watching a crazy

sci-fi movie that's extremely

ambitious you know like

yeah watch an extravaganza exactly

exactly and i want to see all the type

of aliens and

you know i don't know

all the fun [ __ ] that's why when avatar

2 comes out i will watch it

it is going to happen i'm not gonna like

it but

i'm not gonna

sorry i'm not going to

praise it

but i would probably enjoy watching it

do you watch the expanse no dude i think

i watched the first episode on sci-fi

once

and then i saw the guy walking in

to the space station and he took his

fedora off or he put it on

and i immediately exited out because i

knew this is going to be a sci-fi style

2004

internet libertarian space movie and i

don't want anything to do with it

because i found it so cringe

like i just was his favorite show i

don't i don't like the combination of

art deco 20s and space and sci-fi i just

hate it i don't like the hunger games

i don't like it at all like i i i don't

know

um player g man

oh yeah see you later g-man appreciate

you being here

we're making a new matrix

oh yeah

wow oh yeah i am going to watch it but

it's very suspicious that there's been

no promo for it so i will i wonder if

they're just kind of gonna

not actually they're kind of not that

proud of it they're like this is gonna

be a reunion film that's like 90 minutes

you know what else you know what other

films like that was the saw the newest

saw film

when did that come out yeah i didn't

know there was a new one it was like

2017 or something really yeah

yeah

and why is it matrix four like i'm

really suspicious of this you know elite

makers or something

it's like a sequel yeah yeah it's a

matrix four i don't know

i

it seems like the safest like dumbest

thing they could do which i would

probably enjoy do a prequel

give me like a morpheus prequel

you know that would that would probably

be yeah that'd probably be more

interesting than a sequel

i would think too

sick yeah that would be [ __ ] sick

morpheus is like in his 20s he's just

kicking the [ __ ] out agents and [ __ ]

it's like an earlier matrix he can be

kind of retro

or a matrix

that shows the origins of the matrix

itself in real reality i think that

would be yeah yeah

because like the animatrix is so much

fun i love that stupid thing yeah dude i

loved those

i never watched them but i've heard a

lot of good things about about uh

animatrix but i've never checked it out

but just reading the description and

stuff it seemed like some pretty

interesting interesting it was it was

good it was fun

they had like direct ai robot narrator

where she talks about like building the

matrix for the first time building the

machines it's it was great it was

it was i think it started the whole like

anime tie-ins i killed no had an anime

tie-in most recent blade runner had an

anime italian

everything does now i guess which fair

enough

the only spawn i remember the latest

blade runner movie is because of twitter

because everyone always

says

jake whatever his name is uh

sorry what's his name again

the main character oh uh

ryan gosling ryan gosling yeah everybody

always shares with him with like the

baby face or whatever and

otherwise i would have forgotten that

movie when that movie came out i was in

a [ __ ] slack channel

was like

personal friends of like nicole and that

was deep in acceleration as twitter land

and they and people were like oh he

loves that movie he wouldn't see in

shanghai he loved it i was like all

right let me see it and i saw it and i

was like this is horrible

sucks

it's creepy it's got the weirdest views

on women i've ever seen versus conflict

about wombs

there's like an hour or something like

your womb is fertile this is [ __ ]

weird this is kind of gross there's

something you told me i like the

chronicles of riddick by the way but

there's something you told me

that was so true about

ridley scott and that he's obsessed with

milk

yes and yes

and that is also a woman's birth and

birth yeah dude yeah these hollywood

guys are

super weird that's why i did love i

loved his tv show i loved uh raised by

wolves

oh yeah i didn't even watch that

watch it watch raised by wolves

it's all of its gross obsessions but

it's not set in the alien franchise so

you can just really hone in and there's

a scene where like the android woman is

like getting impregnated though she does

not have a womb or vagina she just has a

3d printer

but she's just getting covered in like

weird milk [ __ ]

well like religious music plays

and i'm like all right this is

this this is [ __ ] something

you know what is practical what did you

think about like uh that new alien film

alien covenant

i hated that little bit you hated it but

i hated it not for any intelligent

reason i hated my [ __ ] dork and i

grew up reading the like dark horse

alien comic books as a little kid so

like i was for me it was like how some

people i was like star wars where it's

like the prickles ruined everything

for me it was like yeah we're covering

the room with everything it's sad it was

you know just dork [ __ ] oh you know what

i also didn't think the movie looked

that good i was gonna say costumes were

cool though i was gonna say that i kind

of liked it just because i i had a

sci-fi

um hungary there's no new sci-fi so any

new sci-fi i'm probably gonna like but i

do hate the origin story for the [ __ ]

xenomorph yeah it ruined it

i hate deep i hate the fact that they

abandoned

the that the prometheans are

biomechanical yeah yeah because in the

comic books they were these weird

elephantine you're right mechanical

cyborgs thing it's a company i remember

the kids thinking like oh that's so cool

and then they're like no they're just

people they're like atlanteans basically

like big weird white guys who like

built humans and like this i hate

ancient aliens [ __ ] and that raised by

wolves also has like ancient aliens

cherry they're the gods [ __ ] but it's

weirder so it's more fun

if if you watched um

the first or the second one colonial

marines where they show you that

elephant or that i think was the first

one they show you that elephantine guy

it's such a different [ __ ] vibe in

terms of what you expect the prometheans

are going to be it's just so different

yeah like so just disturbing it's

because though i think that's good but i

think i feel like my interpretation the

whole reason for that is they're

basically trying to tell you that this

there's a there's some kind of

biomechanical hellscape out there in the

[ __ ] galaxy and it's a thousand times

even worse than all of your worst

nightmares about yeah industrial modern

society on earth and i feel like that

was really deep you know

i remember like reading the comic books

there was like interviews like really

scott what comics they had as a kid they

were talking about the design of what

they called the engineer like

you know

the promethean or whatever the hell they

call them now uh

but he was like it had this like

elephant face that was inspired by

overwhelming gas masks and we decided no

this is like it's head it's not a mask

and it's this biomechanical thing and he

said it looks kind of like an elephant

which he's like i thought it was like

really benevolent kind of kind like a

ganesh sort of look and he's like but

it's been destroyed by this thing and

it's like you know these super advanced

people who created their own demons made

them real when they killed them no which

is great it's a great idea and they kind

of have that kinesis but they just made

it

boring and bad

because they it took they took some of

the imagination and some other like like

oh my god what what could possibly these

things be what could your civilization

ever be like and it's this is like a

huge or the rainbow looking guy

who like punches a robot

punches a blonde a beautiful blonde

robot

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yeah i the whole ai thing was just like

come on dude we already have blade

runner do you know it doesn't have to

just be about a.i i think it's all the

same universe or virtually

scott because he kind of oh yeah it is i

think it is yeah i think it is

and raised by wolves has it too raised

by wolves is fun because the premise is

kind of hilarious where like like

mistress mr the mr cult like ancient

metrocult comes back in the future

becomes a dominant wolf religion

then there's a war between the missouri

and asus and that destroys the earth so

they go and colonize another planet

that's the premise why is there this

weird you know that there's a show

called da vinci's demons and it's

written by it was made by

that the reactionary guy who did batman

the oh

you know what i'm talking about uh

what's which one

no the other guy the second co-writer

that he also made um black ops 2 and

he's oh the guy he betrayed me because

he made the blade movies which i adore

but then he wrote that reactionary [ __ ]

for that reason he's on my shirtless

forever

what was poison blade radioactively

it's something like um

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it's um

[ __ ]

david schoyer yes yes goyard goyard yeah

yeah um they i actually liked da vinci's

demons but it is about the mithraics and

yeah what is up with that i don't know

the myth

versus some other type of maybe they're

just maybe they're all just in the same

[ __ ] writer's room they're all kind

of hats that steal from each other yeah

that's my sort of antique conspiracy

where it's like we

can't underestimate the lack of

imagination that people have

that's very true just look at that

[ __ ] guy who the joker guy jared leto

oh yeah he seems like he's like really

desperate to

have a good imagination but he just

doesn't what's up jennifer

did you ever read that huge crazy blog

post about jared leto yes i did

i loved that thing the deep politics of

jared leto

i loved it too dude it was so dude yeah

there's a there's a lot of weird [ __ ] in

[ __ ] hollywood

i'm willing to believe like

oh [ __ ]

why do i hear music

oh sorry that was me um i'm going to

believe like 40 percent of [ __ ] i read

about hollywood 40 45 and 50. yeah i

believe it's like like i kind of i think

it's like worse than like what any of us

like expect it to be that's that's my

view on it that's

my view on hollywood the underside of

hollywood is probably worse than we

think it is yeah i don't know it's just

like i've had real life experiences that

there's nothing concrete but i've just

always been surprised by things

that i'm just like wow so people

actually do this in real life like

i've had those kind of encounters and i

just

i don't know you know i feel like i feel

like a lot of people have those

experiences but then most people just

kind of just kind of you know yeah

yeah yeah yeah

yeah i

i know here's one bit of like

non-hollywood hollywood gossip

do you know who the osmonds are

no uh

the osmonds were like mormon like

variety tv show people were like

superstars in the 70s

they were on all the variety shows they

hung out was like

i don't know whoever the [ __ ] was super

famous in the 70s it's like donnie

osmond and they would sing songs and

dance and [ __ ] on tv they were

superstars and they live in utah

uh

their mormons and all this [ __ ] made the

squeaky clean image but i knew a guy

this old guy who worked on their some of

their variety shows and he would talk

about the crap services table and he's a

great voice where he'd be like oh man

this table is just covered in coke man

you could just have a bowl like they're

doing huge amounts of coke that offers

drugs because there's nothing to sing

and dance for five hours straight uh on

live tv kind of makes sense but they're

super mormon and then he was like oh

yeah and their friends would get

arrested for drugs they would like spend

money and the utah police would cover it

up

it's like even the periphery of

hollywood but like

you know the edge because utah's like

feet sort of feeds hollywood a lot of

like grips and like medial hollywood set

people come from utah get trained in

utah community colleges all the programs

where you can basically go to hollywood

in about a year uh

it's it's still sort of dirty and weird

and odd and sleazy so if the very

periphery is that odd where you can just

have a giant punch bowl full of cocaine

i imagine actual hollywood is

is something else yeah dude that's kind

of amazing that's what i'm saying is

it's like it's like there's a punch bowl

of it

and it's not like some spontaneous thing

it's like they're accustomed to it i

don't know

it was normal on like big tv shows in

the 80s to be like here's craft services

there's no food there's another table

that has coke and speed and just

everything you need to stay up and work

all night oh man dude it's just kind of

your pay you know what else is so

[ __ ] spooky is jimmy seville and that

whole thing yeah

that's what really convinced me what the

[ __ ] is going on did you ever read

anything by irving welsh urban well she

remembered his [ __ ] first name he

made trainspotting and [ __ ] he made what

train spotting

trains body no i don't know

that's a that's a really good train

that's a really good movie yeah

i haven't read it but i've seen the

movie yeah yeah he wrote some [ __ ] he

wrote a short story i remember reading

as like a teenager called acid house

about the like acid house like music

scene and 80's uh uk stalin and there's

a character in it who spoke about the

kids show host and like an ex like tv

presenter who's a necrophiliac and a

cannibal and all this like weird [ __ ]

and we're reading a short story and

thinking like what a weird character i

don't see why

he's in this story

and then years later i'm like oh it's

jimmy uh sad when i was supposed to say

his [ __ ] name uh i think it

is for some reason but uh it's him and

then i read the interview with urban

welfare he's like oh yeah there were

rumors about him being a necrophiliac a

cannibal and a pedophile and all the

[ __ ] he turned out to be going back

toward the seventh days and there's like

a johnny rotten uh john lyden interview

from like the 80s where it's like oh if

you could shoot anyone who would be any

so it's like jimmy savile because i know

he's up to something

so that's the part that i almost find

more depressing

okay he was even in pop culture

as like a rapist necrophile pedophile

everything horrible that he

turned out to be i guess

[ __ ] horrible you know i i um

i never liked the 80s revivalism because

i've always gotten bad dark and spooky

vibes

from the 80s since i was a kid yeah just

there's something so disturbing about

this convergence between this extremely

plastic

and literally plastic i mean like the

actual use of plastic materials yeah

like tv sets and movie sets and these

weird

styles and aesthetics

coupled with this extremely disturbing

kind of unpressed seemingly

unprecedented i don't know

um like uh

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dark you know pedophilia and cannibalism

and i don't [ __ ] know dude it's just

an errand it's defined by reagan and

stature is gonna be pure evil

yeah i mean that's your happy public

face of your era that's a dark [ __ ]

time

it was a really dark time yeah it's like

yeah the two politicians are the most

famous for strong people on the streets

like those you know celebrated figures

from the 80s

it's horrible

and it's it seems to me like i always

kind of get good vibes from the 70s but

the 80s

i feel like is just this dark turn

yeah

and the new this um professor she's from

germany early nights west germany and

she grew up in west germany um

it was your 2070s and she was like i

love the seven days some of these are so

wholesome because we knew what we were

against we knew we had something to do

every weekend we'd go burn an american

flag go to our protest and i was like oh

it's kind of sweet it's kind of like a

nice boomer you know remember in the 70s

and then in the 80s came and all [ __ ]

fell apart

everything just became about like drugs

and getting a business degree and she

was like

[ __ ] everything

and i just always think of that her

telling that little story and my dad and

i grew up in the 70s in chicago south

chicago

story of the 70s [ __ ] terrifying but

in the 80s he would just sound grim

because it's like a crack is starting up

coke is out of control

and reagan and

chicago it's like the police were like

okay now we have a license to really get

going

to clean the city

and then you know there's a whole thing

of russia in the 90s in the eastern bloc

which is also a really i think people

really underestimate just

how kind of

dark it was you know yeah it's it's

almost unprecedented in human history

just this transition from

seeming normality to this kind of

incredible but the crazy thing about it

is just it's like

it's this overwhelming nihilism and

degradation

but it almost also seems like normal

life is continuing

yeah success

i i i got two things one i got another

movie for you

called

generation p i mean actually i think

there's something about that that sounds

familiar generation p let me look at it

it's

booked by

but you can watch the full movie it's a

russian videos subtitles on youtube so

let me post that to the chat

uh he wrote about the 80s and 90s russia

really well or continues to

and also when i was in uh moscow my life

actually no my last night in moscow

chatting was this guy when he was

talking about it was older a lot of

older 1290s and he was like he was like

i was a teenager i had to carry a red

pipe in my jacket because he would get

robbed constantly and just going outside

so he was like armed at all times and

then he was just talking about the chaos

and the violence like degradation then

suddenly it all went away just

completely disappeared because he said

the police just arrested like thousands

of people in this tiny period of time

and he's like he's like that's why old

people love putin just know that i'm

like oh that makes sense

just kind of open it like oh that makes

sense i can see old people i mean a lot

of people being thrilled if you know

a [ __ ] real authoritarian just shows

up and i was like congratulations i'm

going to rest

i almost feel like a lot of that stuff

is also like it's not just hobbsianism

pure people like

self-interest also they're also like

challenging the state they're being like

okay well if you're not the boss i'm

gonna be the boss you know so unless a

boss comes in

that's gonna be me you know what i mean

yeah i think there's a

i think there's a sense of people like

trying to like composting generation p

in the chat uh

i think there's a sense of people trying

to

usurp the power of the state like when

you're about 90s russia there was

nationalist groups who saw it they're

going to re-establish zaraism they

reached out to like alaska looking to

send it to the czar he was living in

mike i think in florida

he was like the [ __ ] mayor of like

some town before there's some weird [ __ ]

but they reached out to him and they're

like come back to russia

we'll crown you

that's another cursed place i think is

florida

before evil yeah it does seem very

sinister evil order is so weird man like

uh so

i feel like there's so many conspiracy

theories i hear about florida as well

like all of these like strange things

that uh incidentally people will tell me

you know happened in florida uh

yeah yeah it's a strange place

i'm reading uh

an author if i'm in recommendation mode

which i am uh

charles williford

right on the chat too

he wrote all these crime novels about

uh florida starting in the 70s i'm

talking his death in the late 80s but he

was like he grew up in like the

depression he was a hobo is a teenager

like a train hopping like

he's one of the like many like depressed

pseudo communist like crime fiction

writers americans produced

and like i was looking at his wikipedia

page i was like trying to remember like

was this very cool cause i remember when

i was first reading the books yes yes

yes he is uh let me just find your

description

and sell your

your viewership on this

um a guy who wrote about his book says

wilford created a world in which the

predatory cannibalism of american

capitalism provides the model for all

human relations in which the human

american success asset commerciously

casts aside all who are unable or

unwilling to compete in which the innate

human appreciation of artistic beauty is

cruelty is cruelly distorted by the

exigency

existences whatever by mass culture uh

and he creates characters who search for

economy but settle for survival he never

abandons his class perspective

and yeah it's about

how trying to be a middle class american

just turns you into a [ __ ]

sort of a sort of a monster really

if you don't have it and you want it

and you want it bad enough

yeah and that's great a great book

that's the story of everything it's

almost like you

the reason so many bad things happen is

because people just want to be normal

you know people just want

and they they look the other way and

will excuse

a lot of things just in pursuit of that

ideal you know

yeah i mean that's a big political

family so i saw people [ __ ] 4chan

jokes people post on twitter about biden

you know comparing to kennedy but it's

like so many families

it's like you know bootlegger passed and

like

you know you make money however you make

money and then you use that to sort of

buy legitimacy

and it's funny to sink where it's like

wow trump's great grandfather would

write in brothel canada

biden's come from bootleggers you can

really make you can really clean up

in america

you know uh

this [ __ ] biden presidency is also

very much dark vibes you know oh yeah so

far it's very dark it's it's also

because it has the appearance of like oh

it's a new bright horizon but in reality

it's disguising this [ __ ] yeah

yeah

and at least you know what pay us the

[ __ ] off

give out the stimulus they won't even do

that

yeah they won't even give the 2000

they're gonna [ __ ] they're watering

it down to 1400

you know i feel like and i'm almost

skeptical about the 1400 because usually

they say they're gonna do it gets

watered down like another level you know

before before like it takes a little

longer and it gets watered down again

before it gets to you

this is what the yang presidency would

look like if we if we had it

it would be that's where young let me

give you a thousand and actually 600 and

in four months it's actually gonna be

two hundred dollars and everyone's gonna

get their 80 voucher that they can spend

on amazon

once a month

so this is our preview of the ubi future

i think

this is endless torturous low balling

yeah and the dollar is going down

apparently too so this morning it's not

even worth that much

yeah you know this is something that's

very privileged to say because i know a

lot of you are struggling in this time

but i have a best buy gift card for 2000

because i returned it over laptop yeah

so i'm

i was thinking i need to get a laptop

but now because i'm doing the streaming

thing i'm going to get a nice pc you

know i'm gonna get a pc

but yeah you can't even [ __ ] buy them

now you know everything's sold out

it's so crazy

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it's like

a pc like

buying went up during the quarantine

because everybody had to work from home

i better tell people what [ __ ] computers

and i'm like oh god i got it you know my

office job at home now

yeah there's been like a tech buy out

everyone's just buying tech

um

but yeah if i get this pc then i will

also be able to game while i stream you

know and apparently some people want

that but i don't know

i have this giant [ __ ] gaming laptop

that weighs 11 pounds you have you have

the alienware one right yeah i got the

alienware and i gotta say before people

accuse me of having way more money than

i have

uh my parents bought for me but my

parents bought for me because my dad

works for a tech company that gives 50

uh coupons basically in lieu of bonuses

sometimes

so this came through

some it guy

grifting with multiple coupons

so don't

don't don't eviscerate me just yet

that's [ __ ] crazy though that's

really no privilege but i like it i love

this that's crazy dude yeah that's a

sick pc

it's got like a 2070 in it

yeah that's insane i love the stupid

thing

but the thing with i looked it up and i

found out that

the laptops don't have as powerful cpus

and streaming is all about the cpu so

i'd love to get a laptop

but

um i just don't have a laptop i feel

like i don't know i feel like i have a

smartphone now and do you really need

laptops these days because yeah there's

like there's computers everywhere

there's internet cafes and there's like

you know in my apartment has a computers

in the lobby so i don't know really nice

yeah

yeah

um but uh

yeah i i can't even play any games

anymore you know like

pc crashes every time i play anything

not not just streaming but just playing

anything my [ __ ] pc will crash

yeah my pc hit a [ __ ] piece of gaming

um

speaking of gaming to go back to

to the world i i really want to force

myself to play the first day's next game

again

because everyone did a million memes of

that

question

i saw a crazy clip about hong kong

yeah because the people are the game set

in hong kong and you've got the lines

where it's like the virus is spreading

and there's even a lying or one of the

characters like the virus is no worse

than common cold they're only doing this

you know they keep us all indoors like

it's like a real line the game

never being like oh [ __ ] i didn't play

that again

you know kid i love everything that

activates like my schizo

yeah yeah that's what the game's all

about yeah okay then i need to play that

you know it gets your that part of your

brain where it's like all i'm insane now

uh

because you play as a guy in the trench

coat and sunglasses who's screaming

about the trilateral commission

and you work for like the un and you're

like a un cyborg

who uncovers a conspiracy involving like

a semi fake virus so it's it aged great

when obviously your 90s but it aged

great

yeah there's there's like these lost

treasures you know it's so weird how

deep games used to be

you know though even the medieval type

even like the daggerfall the elderflower

fall and all those weird medieval rpgs

it's so weird how

like occultic and esoteric like how much

thought these

people were putting into these games

here's what this one is you know they're

creating different worlds you know

there's a guy who i cannot remember his

name right now um

it was people in the chat might know he

was he was a romanian like

scholar of like comparative relations a

bunch of other [ __ ] that he mentored the

guy he came up with the rpg runescape

which was like a d i played that when i

was a kid i know what that is yeah

quest is how you get like king of

dragons pass which is like an old like

classic uh computer game but he was like

knew of all uh like personally he knew a

bunch of those people mentored the guy

who would make he mentored greg stafford

i once said that was his name he made a

bunch of those old rpgs and he came from

like a weird like comparative religious

background with romanians at the

university of chicago

who like came from spooky iron youth uh

circles when they were younger yeah

medieval so

there's weird [ __ ] running through them

just through that academic connection

that's never academics of the portal and

pure evil

the the medieval fantasy has so much

spooky and dark versions i keep using

the word dark but like

it has so much like crypto

it's fascistic yeah yeah it's

i kind of don't like i kind of

never like i don't you know the only

reason i ever liked the elder scrolls

was because of how different it was from

other medieval fantasy and yeah it was

almost like more modernistic in terms of

yeah the characters are you know yeah

because

oh sorry

i was just gonna say uh the morrowind

especially seemed very different than

like other rpgs just like how much like

culture and history they they seemed to

put into the game

uh yeah but what were you gonna say

cocky oh i was going to say uh the guy

who like was like sort of cred is like

you mean morrowind guys he seems kirk

bride

who's so much fun he's kind of a meme

himself at this point where there's the

famous story which i think is fake but i

choose believe it's real he did

mushrooms and i speed for two weeks

straight to write most of the morrowind

war

and then turned it into the company it's

like this is what i got wait is that the

gnostic guy

he's got like oh yeah he's got he was

like and he was like also speaking of

miss racism he studied that and put a

ton of that [ __ ] into elder scrolls but

he's fun because he continued the story

and the lore of that game and basically

was like oh yeah they have spaceships

and stuff

he's like it's materialist it's you know

it's just science it's not magic this is

a different universe with different

physics but of course it's only the

material universe because only true

versus exists that's kind of fun

he's he's he's he's likable i like that

guy you know it's it's those are the

people who it's almost like an

angrandian hero it's like the original

guy who just did everything and everyone

else is just kind of sucking off

because you know what i noticed is that

based on this latest fallout i don't

know what about you but i hated fallout

4. i just yeah it sucks

but i feel like

i don't like either i feel like the next

elder scrolls he's just gonna like it's

not gonna have that original creativity

and they're just gonna rehash that

original creator's vision

and dilute it down to the point of just

having because i felt like skyrim kind

of did that too

even though

surprisingly it's so weird both oblivion

and skyrim

which is only the games i played there's

a surprising depth to those games and

what i mean by that is that

oblivion for example i kind of read that

as a type of like um

a heavy type of critique of communism

almost

but that's it's another rabbit hole yes

but yeah i want to hear it i have to

hear that

okay okay okay the thing that provoked

this to me was

that for oblivion there's two things one

of them was that mehrunes dagon he's

obviously the god of revolution so

that's you know that's a big one but um

it's also well actually communism and

modernity actually

uh it's like it's an it's kind of that's

it's not so much against those but those

are the villains of the game

um

but then there's also the fact that

there's this idea that

um the

nirn which is the planet that everyone

lives on in elder scrolls is only one

other plane of oblivion rather than

being the real world

so this calling into question of

the nature of the world i feel like

that's kind of similar to the communist

idea of like

primitive accumulation means property is

theft in the whole like you know but

then the other thing is that

mankar cameron's realm of paradise

i felt like was pure anti-communist

propaganda i can't put my finger

interesting but it was like

it's like this cult is promising people

paradise but you go into the paradise

and yes superficially it's very much

flowers and trees and forests and [ __ ]

everywhere but also people are being

tortured

right and it's this incredible concept

right like an anti-it's utopian yes

exactly that's

more to it yeah it's it's not so much

communism so to speak it's like

modernity and utopianism right um

then oblivion and then the thing

oblivion is there's a war on terror

element where you're just randomly in

the cities and some people will

spontaneously turn into

uh the occultic

um bart brotherhood i think dawn no the

midnight people oh okay and you can't

tell who's who and it's this kind of uh

war on terror era paranoia and you know

what's okay here's what i don't

understand this is why i believe in the

illuminati maybe because why was

oblivion

if you look at the story of that game

it's about the emperor being killed and

though the world is being going to be

plunged into chaos and crisis but you

don't see it but the game was released

in 2005 2006 and then

2008 the obama crash happened not obama

crashed the financial crisis happened

occupy wall street happened and then

what do you know skyrim comes out which

is literally a game about the post 2008

crash in america so what is going on do

we need like the ccru hyperstation type

of

analysis to understand how these are so

[ __ ] pressing and and also death

stranding is an example of this too yeah

this crazy thing you know

i that's actually a good point i will i

i know

this is this would be a fun [ __ ]

stream

like conspiratorial video game uh plot

analysis yeah like two hours that'd be

fun um

well i was gonna say i know i know the

kirkbride got a guy who's like came up

with a lot of fun [ __ ] and then

morrowind sort of laid some of the like

groundwork for the elder scrolls i

remember reading an interview with him

like when i had like my friends were all

playing like oblivion and skyrim and

quark and stark because like oh we need

time wasters which but brilliant

brilliant idea

uh

i was reading an interview and he was

like oh skyrim is not what i wanted to i

had all these ideas

but he was talking like in his like in

older scrolls too because

elder scrolls too in morrowind he played

morrow and there is like an ethnic like

uh terrorist faction in it even back

then because he was like i tried to use

real history and i tried controlling

like i like it when there are like

there's like these sort of conflicts we

have in real life you'll be in more when

you play where the [ __ ] like dark

elves

are like you're imperialist and we're

gonna like [ __ ] slaughter you all or

kick you out no matter what you eat like

sort of a left and right faction of the

which is pretty entertaining

but he was about skyrim when he was like

skyrim was supposed to be about cocaine

but they but they says they wasn't

interested in

giant whales they spew cocaine over this

viking you know landscaping all these

insane ideas

which they weren't into

that's why these other squirrels games

are as [ __ ] cool as they are because

of that crazy yeah why would it be about

cocaine i want to know because he said

there's like giant whales that spray

cocaine over these like landscape

or whatever before it came out it was

just a rumor and i would click on the

map in oblivion and be north skyrim i

was thinking of this fantasy type of

like northern ethereal type of realm in

which

i think that's part of it too and also

he was like derek he said he was reading

on daridal and he wrote a lot of skyrim

war he said that and he's like a new

dragon she said are actually like like

semiotic you know linguistic concepts

giving flesh that's the whole idea

that's where it comes from the depth i'm

talking about because i was yeah that's

where it [ __ ] comes from because he's

he's i love that guy because he feels

like an insane twitter person he feels

like someone who should have a wordpress

he's like

you know he's a suit

he's a good suit

good pseudo-intellectual good weirdo

that's okay you just clarified literally

why in the elder scrolls games i've

always noticed that there's just like

someone's gotta know some stuff who's

making this like this is not just some

you know but you know i feel like today

all these companies are so

institutionalized and like yeah there's

all it's always like you just knock off

the credentials thing you get a certain

degree and nobody thinks independently i

know i sound like a

a rand guy but you know what i mean it's

true though it is it's boring it kind of

gets turned into a product where it's

like we have to be careful to not blah

blah blah

like i remember even reading an

interview with him too where he's like i

want this character to be gay just just

because because i wrote it and then todd

howard's like

i'm not against that but at the same

time we know that you know 57 percent of

our fewer bases you know

they make it boring

because that's the thing too yeah

because right winger is trying to claim

like oh you know everything's getting

sjw'd in the case of elder scrolls it

was like the opposite

where his vision was like i don't know i

guess you could say it was sjwish you

know how they would view it yeah but

you just want something bland to sell

you want this cornmeal it's it's not

even that this like there's the

political correct things oh that's

another conversation another thing as a

side i've noticed that despite how

politically correct all games are now

and how white like super glossy they are

they're also extremely rapidly

reactionary like never oh absolutely

like like the latest call of duty had

yuri vesman off but it's also going to

let you play as a female soldier and

it's like i saw that you could pick your

pronouns i'm just thinking like this

game is insane because you can pick your

pronouns but it also seems like the most

explicitly fascistic call of duty words

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uh the [ __ ] xkgb guy supposedly said

the soviet union never fell and all

these great experiences series

apparently that game uses some of those

and that's like sort of like the john

birch society like mythology like it's

using that [ __ ] in a video game i'm like

this is evil it's horrible there's

another game that does that too i forgot

but

back on to the main point though it's

also the fact it's not just the

political credits though it's just it's

the fact that

there's two it's two i'm gonna say it's

too accessible to become a writer a game

writer all you have to do is go to

college

go through the motions of getting a

degree

but you don't actually there's no like

spark of creativity anymore where yeah

people you know people do things outside

of the box i know it sounds like cliche

and [ __ ] but yeah i feel like we live in

a quick a world so i mean

i think it's fair

yeah i i will say that's why and again

this is probably cringe i'm sure it is

on many levels the disco elysium or

elysium i don't want to pronounce that

word that game i really really enjoyed

that [ __ ] thing

because it was written by a bunch of

weird estonians so at the very least

you've got weird estonian culture

instead of american nerd culture

and then like people i remember reading

like american reviews was like i can't

tell the politics of this game art seems

to let you do everything it does it

really does when you play it like i was

pushing you into

basically tells you liberalism is evil

fascism is stupid

communism is is smart but doomed

and maybe too violent for its own good

like there's a continual joke where if

you pick communist options where

someone's like don't tell people you

want to live with them you need to do

that after you've taken power because

like you get to see like little soft

bubbles that tell you things

but if you play fascism this is pure

stupid play liberalism is evil i'm like

this is made by a depressed marxist

and the fact that they have like people

from like adoption from red scared to a

voice like yeah these are depressed

marxist-e social democrat type people

they're fine

i wish they were the normal people i

wish like like a you know a [ __ ]

social democrat was the norm

be beautiful i mean instead of you know

the [ __ ] liberal the [ __ ] biden

voter

that's what this feels like it's not

super radical but it's

sensible

it's from it's still left wing it's

still it's not

a part of

yeah i feel like even if a game is

right-wing or reactionary as long as

it's

quality

yeah and it's fine but i feel like the

big enemy right now is just plain

mediocrity you know yeah and even a lot

of right-wing games sorry but a lot of

right-wing games are really mediocre

because yeah they surround themselves

around this idea of not being sjw and

being edgy and the game ends up sucking

like you know yeah game kingdom come

deliverance i never played it yeah i

heard it i could just tell how boring it

is because it's so ultra realistic and

they were just trying to make a point of

being against the sjw yeah

and it's like sounds like [ __ ] fatal

that then the name rpg people used to

make fun of i was like you know the meme

dnd where you could like roll for anal

circumference

that was like the notorious thing about

it whereas it's like anthony w d goes

like i'm gonna make rules for rape i'm

gonna make this medieval times hatred

another game is hatred yeah yeah yeah

that's exactly yeah that [ __ ] all sucks

it sucks yeah but there are games made

by like

weird right wingers that end up being

good

yeah

weird right-wing artists were like

good where i'm like yeah i'm sure

they're scum i'm in a better world

they'd

be

uh re-educated or maybe shot in the neck

by someone

um

but you know um

yeah i think i think there's like

there's such a weird lack of vision

going on which seems crazy when we live

in an era that's so [ __ ] weird and so

strange and so evocative of all this

media we're all immersed maybe that's

actually part of the problem maybe when

reality looks like a shitty movie

uh it's hard to be creative you know

it's it's also an america issue you know

i feel like this is kind of unique to

america because i look at the rest of

the world and i

in movies and other things and i do see

a lot of original cool stuff going on

yeah america i think is

there's a knee-jerk anti-americanism

which i am totally infected with even

when i know sometimes like no that's

stupid but at the same time like no

america is kind of a real down time

yeah i follow uh bruce sterling on

twitter which i recommend but i think

his ad is just bruce's like bruce was

necessary but you know he wrote he's the

father of like cyberpunk like american

cyberpunk literature william gibson gets

that credit but bruce sterling started

before him

and bruce sterling eventually just like

moved to serbia and lives in like a

villa

and like i mean your attic versus

serbian fashion designer wife which

again i'm like oh that's the way to do

it it's gonna be a great life but he's

written about america it was just like i

look at america and i just see a serious

downturn like i've read enough history

i've lived in enough countries just look

and see like i know what a downturn

looks like yeah like that and those can

last like 50 years

yeah i mean a lot of people will

probably accuse us of just being

anti-american but honestly yeah

i'm anti-american and extremely pro at

the same time

well it's that's what i was going to say

is that

it's kind of the same thing you know

because

if you're auntie

when you're expressing

uh anti-american sentiment like we are

obviously it is coming from at least for

those of us in our group who are

american is coming from an american

perspective you know yeah and another

because it's because that

sorry i don't want to keep but no no

uh

i think what i've been thinking about is

that

i kind of think of america more and more

as

uh is in debt stranding terms

not to just talk about how obsessive

that gay man but like yeah i feel like

it is this kind of the goal

for us here in america is to connect

the bridges

and have like the belt and road in

across the city of the american

landscape

yeah

can i kind of jump in yeah yeah yeah go

ahead go ahead i've got i have two socks

on that one i think the one thing about

the atomization problem

where it's like we are so [ __ ]

isolated the whole culture was designed

to isolate the whole culture was

designed to create non-uh groups and

then there's sort of the irony where the

internet is a part of that isolation

process you know [ __ ] uh

like extremely so but it also creates

these weird groupings and these weird

little clusters and also in some ways

even unless you recognize what you are

even if you didn't know it like i

remember feeling very midwestern

sometimes just being online meeting with

people from the midwest from like oh we

apparently stink and feel the same way

even though we're not talking to person

when we interact with the rest of the

world we see what we are we see our

regional biases and some of the internet

is both our tool of isolation where

we're staying at home and [ __ ] being

on chat rooms and [ __ ] and at the same

time revealing our originality and in

our sort of where we are our position

and then the other thing

it was like the actual like the belt and

road and infrastructure

in the whole like dust threatening thing

is like the obsession with trains the

obsession was public access that like

sort of runs through like from like

chapeau jacketed so stems

or whatever

i think it's supposed to literal in the

sense of like yeah american

infrastructure is dying and sucks and we

know that the wealth and power of a

country comes through this

infrastructure

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you you want it even if your country's

an evil empire on a selfish level you

want to live in a place with great

infrastructure but the other part is it

does represent the social and it does

represent the idea of a commons

in a really like basic way without the

comments the commons you know the efflux

and all that [ __ ] and their comments i

think is usually a little too utopian i

think mark fisher for all the [ __ ] he

got when he was like the commons of

starbucks where you can do your work in

a place that isn't home and it isn't

your place of work there is something to

that being in neutral space that's well

maintained

it's decent that can encourage a type of

low commitment sociality that's

something i think americans like enjoy

and desperately [ __ ] need in general

but especially during uh quarantine

i think there's a cultural sort of

loneliness that runs through what we are

i think it's why some people love

japanese media because loads of japanese

movies and anime and comments and so on

they've done a great job

of just expressing what it's like to be

lonely a little sad and knowing that

maybe not a huge amount of effort would

be required from you to to

minimize it but that would also require

effort from other people too

you need a community you need the

society and we don't have it so you have

to create it so you need that spark you

need that

that energy you know i've thought about

so much like what is america and how can

america be something that's united or

whatever not united like what

could be a commons in america because

there's almost nothing that unites

americans and the reason i mentioned the

infrastructure thing is also because

it's the it's a type of

way in which

the global supply chains not only of

goods but also of culture and the people

of the world basically america will be

this kind of infrastructural nomadic

land

where this is like um

uh

where i don't know [ __ ] um to be the

uh infrastructural

way of kind of almost connecting the

world together but

but there's also a dark side to that too

where it's also like

when i mentioned that nomadicism because

america is this kind of flat like

landscape basically you know

this grid

is that i have this like kind of vision

of the future that's not i don't take it

literally but it's kind of like a

fantasy

where it's like we're entering a kind of

age of

socialistic nomadicism

where as you mentioned there's all sorts

of kinds of groups that are converging

together in this autonomous kind of way

and i feel like

it's kind of this new warlordism that's

going to emerge

where america is going to just purely

stand for this common flat

infrastructure and us being americans is

there's it's just gonna mean like a type

of warlord type of civil war where

everyone's vying for

control over the infrastructure

over the um the means of i don't know i

don't know what i say makes sense or is

kind of schizoid i think i think it

makes sense because part of what i think

you're describing exists when you think

about like

what's the political fight right now and

you just i'm just looking at [ __ ]

twitter because i haven't spoken to

people i don't know in real life uh in a

long time it's depressing uh but it's

like people are fighting over the big

tech companies they're fighting over

amazon which is not just tech in the

sense of like you know a big website but

also the warehouses distribution the

highways the

fact taking over postal services the

fact that amazon is supplying supplies

to military bases in the government

buildings and [ __ ] like that

we're talking about

like what is what

how does politics intersect with like

infrastructure was the day-to-day

running was the logistics of a country

and where it's like a big text says oh

you can't have parliament because that's

trump that means that you know

[ __ ] apparently big tech whatever the

[ __ ] that is stands with the night and

presidency stands with democrats uh

bruce sterling the guy i mentioned

before when that was going on he changed

his

twitter ad it was pretty funny to like

to tell like left-wing you know tech

giant or something

um

i think that sort of world that

war-wartism is almost sort of like a

fight for influence where people

i don't know it's that stupid it's also

that stupid thing everyone was doing

where it's like oh this brand is woke

this brand is pro trump this brand is

blah blah blah yeah yeah and i think

brands will go with that this is good

marketing i mean if you could say here's

the q a on demographic and there's this

many million people and you can always

sell to them i think wendy's could just

do it yeah you know we're just the all

right brand we're the racist brand

because there's you know 75 million of

you so you're like

right before you came on we were talking

about how

connected to this i feel like

the american communists communist party

usa brand

should be revived

and i don't like their politics i don't

care about the party and all their dumb

politics and [ __ ] but like just that

brand as i feel like

that should vie for control in this

warlord era and just be like one of

those warlords but yeah because you have

to be you have to you know you're gonna

end up being a warlord fat i have this

kind of like sci-fi idea

of like a post-apocalyptic warlord

factions

and they have cyber trucks with uh

machine guns on the back of them yeah

like you know how like isis has those

trucks but it's yeah it's not i don't

actually think it's gonna happen but i

like to

imagine this

symbolic level yeah yeah yeah exactly

but um

uh i feel like the communist party usa

is a

very powerful brand and it has a lot of

kind of futurism

it's a great settle a great set of words

i'll say that it's a great because it

says

it's a great set of like words yeah yeah

exactly yeah because to say like

communist party usa almost sounds like

paradox and in in doing that your groins

has a bit where he says more paradoxical

something something is the more artistic

it is like that's the basic rule of

modern art communist party usa has a

beautiful modern art style name

definitely has to be stolen and i feel

like people kind of have a wrong idea of

what parties are today because the

party's kind of a corporation and a

brand today right yeah a party isn't

something every time people try to

create parties from scratch they just

create

cults or nests of drama

because americans we're individualistic

and we don't know how to make a

transition from individuals to groups so

yes we'll be right back okay silly uh

okay um and then

yeah yeah okay

sorry

uh and then um

so

we have to contend with

corporations and groups that already

exist because when we try to create them

from scratch

we have like this kind of puritan

protestant factional war or whatever and

drama

because that's why i like the communist

party usa it's just because it's not

from scratch and it's such an old party

and brand

and i kind of feel like i could see that

acquiring significance vying against

the democrat party brand and the

republican brand and all these other

kinds of brands so

maybe you know what

how do you

maybe it's time to do an entry-ism maybe

it's time to

start a chapter

and then just brand better

than the party itself i mean it is sort

of the key to entries in the modern

times it seems like people start to

associate you with it until the it

ejects you and then you publicly say

like i am no longer going to say i'm not

going to use part of you

i now you do that type of thing i feel

like you can seize control of the brand

if your aesthetic vision is more

powerful and yeah for me

communism the word the capital c

means something so much different than

the democratic socialism

and also anarchism and

kind of like

american leptism i feel like communism

reminds me of fond winon's drawings that

chinese artists i was telling you about

it reminds me of just this kind of

vastness and bigness

yes it's hard to explain but

it's almost too american and almost the

reason why we never had american

communism or socialism is because it was

competing with americanism americanism

was kind of you know it was entwined

with it because if you read like the

book we

the book we by uh

is where we get you know 1984 and

britain world is the original

it's the papa of those books and it was

written by a bull's old bolshevik who i

think stalin told him to go live in

france that was his punishment which

kind of cool

that's pretty good could have been a

bull in the necklace these guys in

france uh i think was his

wife um

but he was great writers but that's why

he got leniency but that book we uh is

about this world where they worship like

taylor

and

ford and they say stuff like what he

said like by god it's like by ford what

are we gonna do today you know that type

of [ __ ] it's this vision where it's

become

it's uh we

we use the book that uh brave new world

in like 1984 took from where like

huntsville admitted where hucks was like

yeah i took from we that's the book

was like no i've never even heard of it

shut up

um

what are you talking about

yeah

um but we is like the old russian book

that comes from but it's about where

like communism and americanism triumphed

in the world is now just like glass

domes where people live in like

beautiful

like factory

uh

like compounds and they're building a

giant spaceship and the pet shop boys

made a great concept instead of songs

about that but

you know um something i like to say

often is that

the word socialism with chinese

characters is kind of weird because

people ask well what was socialism like

what is it besides the chinese

characteristics and i like to respond

like it's americanism the thing they

were breaking with was americanism

because

um central planning and standardized

um top-down kind of

uh i don't know what to call it

uniform uh big industry was all inspired

and came from america you know yeah

like that shows up and like there's a

book called

i always get [ __ ] mocked for the

title but they can go [ __ ] themselves

imagine no possessions yes it's a

beatles there what of it it's a great

book about soviet constructivism

uh by christina

kyre i want to say off to google i

spelled her last name i don't remember

but she talked but she has great

quotations from like ranchenko and all

these like great artists and designers

of the early soviet era

and how they dealt with the nap but one

of the like slogans was like it was like

soviet union must reach for americanism

soviet union must accomplish americanism

before america has finished americanism

you know these ideas of like

yes america has unleashed these

incredible productive forces through

ford but they are not real socialist so

they can only get a

little fraction of what it could be as

marx says we understand what it is so we

can finish it we can perfect it we can

make it fairer

while still reaping the benefits of like

um you know production lines and the

fishing factories and all these things

and this vision there's like really

strange like pseudosexual and racial

visions running through rachenko's

writing where he says that we have to

like cry apart he's like the stiff

buttocks of like capital in society to

free

but like i think he says like black

slaves of like you know industry so it's

like this bizarre

racial and

imagery he's using but he's basically

saying like here's all these productive

forces we must not release them it's

[ __ ] bizarre but there is something

to all that weird writing and it's

amazing to read um

god lyndon they're big designers i can't

remember his name i wrote stupid [ __ ]

wordpress blog post [ __ ] back in the day

about them

but he wrote about like um

he wrote about the idea of how to view

the object and blah blah blah and

object-oriented ontology and all this

tech bro [ __ ] sounds eerily like him you

know decades and decades and decades

later

because i think some of these ideas were

just good they made sense

and so they're still floating around

yeah i mean um

that's my big ramble sorry no it's all

right to me like the communist party usa

is almost like

the chickens coming home to roost in a

sense you know what i mean like

for for the whole 20th century the real

americanism was put into practice in the

soviet union and in china

and with the big state planning whatever

and yeah america never

um owned up to the political

consequences of its own

type of era or whatever right so yeah

communist party usa is like

it's like uh it's just now we have to

face it's like an existential facing

what we really are like what is the

essence of what america is you know

yeah

i think that yeah i think there's

something to that have you ever looked

at um palladium magazine

oh sorry i don't want to

keep that point another thing too is

that you know what moldbug he says

communism is as american as apple pie he

says all the crimes of communism is

based on washington what's washington's

crimes

so that's that's another uh backing on

my point but sorry what were you saying

that actually ties in perfectly have you

ever checked out uh palladium magazine

no i i've never heard of it i'll i'll

send you a link palladium

i would call them right wing because i'm

pretty sure they came out of the old

social matters blog which you may

remember they were the nrx

saying but palladium is is the next

evolution and palladium to my

uh shock and horror i'm like oh i agree

it was like half their articles probably

because they're just basically about

central planning constantly

some little wing of social matters of

the interx people who just became

obsessed was like how does america

survive america survives for super

central planning america sort of

survives we play government america

survives

it's become this is a very weird left

right

statism that they push

and that's fascinating because it almost

sounds like what you're talking about

maybe from a more right-wing perspective

a more pseudo-reactionary perspective

but you'll read them if you read them

you're like oh this is someone grappling

with those exact same ideas but from a

non-marxist perspective

and so they're worth reading because

they're

strange

and they're interesting yeah

i always thought nrx is just the kind of

vain utopian socialism i always thought

of it

i never thought legal socialism utopian

social yeah exactly yeah it's it's like

weird french syndicalism when you read

them and you're like i was like

proto-fascism it's almost like you got

to ask like

all the historical interpretations and

imagine if someone's not a history buff

in what way would utopian socialism

reinvent itself in the modern era and

that's basically what happened because a

lot of these guys these nrx guys

they just

they just began as these type of like

naive rationalists who like the internet

and they went on the end and they're

like okay let's think about everything

from scratch and they weren't the type

of people who had this profound

knowledge of all the [ __ ] that happened

in the 19th century and 20 years they

sound like does it's like the zeitgeist

people yeah exactly but they sound like

you know like a utopian social because

they just started like what if we all

manage this what if we all you know just

you're restating old ideas because you

haven't read that someone did this

already in the 19th or 18th century

you're restating it as new

the palladium people i looked at their

website again they called themselves

governance-based futurism because i

think that's

yeah

these guys

the thing with nrx people don't know i

would call them right-wing socialists is

what this website is i mean but they're

worth reading because you have like like

vince garton if you know him he's

awesome dude i love that guy yeah he's a

i like vince a lot he's fine he's he's a

friend and he's [ __ ]

yeah no he's not right wing but he he

he's his ideas suit in nicely with those

people yeah you're that aggressively pro

china

yeah yeah yeah vince is he strikes me as

somebody i wouldn't call him a rightist

but you know a lot of the kind of left

right thing is kind of fake today

they're real left and they're right you

don't really necessarily know what

that's going to look like we're all kind

of in the same boat right now you know

i think so i think there's something

where it's like everyone is trying to

say no it's just right right or strong

or dude it's weird

yeah

using all these weird borrowed terms

from like different eras and different

countries because i don't think america

knows what the [ __ ] right or left quite

means

because even talking to like friends who

are like die-hard anarchists and are

from that culture and then they say

because i'm thinking like that doesn't

sound like an errands position it

doesn't sound like a left position i

feel like

i feel like in america left means

accepting the institutional consensus

and that's it

it has you know in some ways become it

and that's why i sometimes feel like a

weirdo conservative or something like

even mls

uh or tankies whatever even

even to the extent that they're accepted

as leftists it's only because they're

justifying

their support for uh foreign communist

states based on this woke victimization

of like people of color and yeah you

know what i mean

and i remember talking to my mom who's

like

[ __ ] weird politically [ __ ] weird

at every level like like when some big

rants and then she's like god you've

become such a republican and i was just

describing like basic ml talking points

but she's like you're a republican now

wow

yeah and so i was like that's funny

another friend was like wow you're so

you're conservative now

and i was like no

no because because also it's not gonna

talk i'm not one of those people like

ranting about like

i don't know [ __ ] gay people or

whatever this thing that sets off

people's like and you know conservatives

think it was just i was just talking

about like government's bad

uh the u.s government's bad things are

bad the state is weak i feel bad and

invasive at the same time you know this

[ __ ]

i feel like there's two things that only

really define

the whether you're

reactionary socially

and whether you're reactionary

politically and the social one is the

gay thing if people who have the

anti-gay and anti-trans issue

they that's like where they are

you can kind of draw a distinction you

know it does seem to be the same or i

can say all of my weird opinions to

people but because i'm not the anti-gay

or anti-trans yeah i'll have like

anarchists and like you know these very

left whatever people being like oh

you're fine you seem cool

yeah

it's like and i'm like yeah sure of

course i am it's like yeah we're kind of

dude and adjacent like according to

everyone but

we're not like one i feel like there's a

lot of pathological like people

become too one-sided and they just kind

of

it's almost like you're the weird one if

people who are really like anti-gay and

anti-trans stuff it's almost like you're

the one who's

uh always uptight and triggered and yeah

always um

because like for example we're just

being our normal selves just pretty much

chilling and then you got these kind of

bread too i don't want to draw you into

the drama that you want to be a part of

but yeah you got these kind of

lefty people who are going to be like

you're doing this you're this and like

we're just you know we're just being

normal people yeah i feel like people

who are anti-gay and anti-trans they are

the ones creating the problem itself you

know what i mean yeah and then another

but the other thing

is that on the political level it's

it's um the immigration thing and what i

mean by that yeah isn't the people who

kind of critique the meaningless

open borders phrase which doesn't really

mean anything but more like types of

people who are antagonizing migrants and

just

that type of race yeah i don't get those

[ __ ] people either i think again that

apparently is one i think must be one of

the big like gatekeeping things of like

what's the left wing or what's what

right-wing yeah some people talking

about migrants and should i always tune

out because i'm like i don't have

anything as migrants yeah i grew up

like

lower and then to upper middle class

where my parents you know they clawed

their way up but they clogged their way

up in corporate america and that means

my dad's friends were from eastern

europe and india and like they're

corporate people they're immigrants

that's the social media so to me they

were always very normal but there's

something ironic right on the left which

was like isn't it funny my very

internationalist view comes through

capitalism directly because my friends

growing up where the kids of

these migrant i.t workers

i guess and like that's funny and then i

was just like

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yeah i mean i uh

i don't know it's kind of my that's like

my barrier you know a lot of people for

example will do this really crazy

humanistics and they'll be like yeah

infrared they're secretly fascist hyper

masculine uh

you know they'll do this kind of and

it's like i feel like it's a lot more

simple than that okay we're not anti-gay

we're not against immigration and we're

not you know you don't have to like read

so deep into it and accuse us of all

these

that's that's kind of what i mean it's

like fake leftists in the us

have a really

uh

low standard of what a fascist is

a very very hypocritical standard too

it's like a black mailing uh thing

usually it's like a way to blackmail you

into supporting the establishment

exactly

because it's that

groys uses that term all the time in his

essays like a moral black male for

different things where he's like

images of like atrocities that happen

you know

in countries in your political art of

propaganda he's like well you're doing a

moral blackmail to silence someone

because you're like look someone's

[ __ ] dying and of course as like a

person you go like oh oh my god i'm

watching a video of someone dying you

know something terrible is happening

atrocity is happening and you can't

quite respond to that other than shock

and horror and so he's like a brilliant

tactic and i think sometimes like

american leftists will do that where

it's like what about all the black

people who might die incarcerated all

trans people kill themselves what about

they'll do they'll use those things very

cynically and very strategically to

silence and to

like

blackmail because it is like horrific

and sad and tragic and so you don't know

how quite to respond and like

you know they cheap yeah achieving it

but at the same time but if you can't

respond to those things because it's

difficult to respond to something that's

horrible uh

you appear weak so there's like

something really cynical and vicious

going on i think with a lot of the

discourse

between leftists and america

and why i just find it so [ __ ]

depressing that's why i don't

yes we accept being primordially

cancelled it's like you can call us yeah

you can call us whatever i don't care i

don't give a [ __ ] you know what i mean

i like primordially cancelled i'm going

to use that yeah

i'm definitely stealing that

it's like um

i just don't ever feel like i have to

walk on eggshells i just feel like i'm

not ashamed of my

position you know i don't i don't have

anyone to answer to you know

because you really don't because it's

also like when i

like not to go into [ __ ] detail but

to be like living at what point in this

[ __ ] house was all these [ __ ]

self-declared like you know like

activist people and they would rant

right they're like really like you know

pounding their fists and there's nothing

thinking i was like i don't know

what any of this is accomplishing or

doing at all

like i don't know where this moral power

and weight is coming from

this is america it's a little disturbing

to me

i think there's there's a lot of cults

of personality that gets brought up a

lot there really are there really are

hundreds of tiny little wannabe bomber

backhand types

have you watched the i don't know if you

guys have watched this

or what your takes are on these people

have you seen the black hammer stuff

what the [ __ ] we were just we were

talking about that i was wondering if

you guys said that first of all

i don't want those people to attack me

so guys just don't yeah

yeah you know what i take it back you

guys my camera goes because that's what

we talked about the red austin red

guards and [ __ ] it's like okay guys yeah

you guys are a little bit hardcore but

i've not i've met like

handfuls of like those people

irl

jesus christ dude okay i want to i'll be

a little bit neutral here's what i'll

say so the joker video of black hammer

yeah was hilarious to me it's hysterical

it was that was the first thing

the second thing is i was very

it was definitely very new and

i've it was there was this contrast

between

people like militant stances in the back

and the guy yeah yeah the main guy i

don't know what his name is um

it's kind of just like it's uh

yeah

with the joker makeup dancing stuff and

then i realized that's kind of it's a

really brilliant work of art because it

represents the nature of all of these

organizations in america yeah you tend

to have this formal posture

this strict serious posture but in

reality there's this clownish underbelly

yeah

exactly yeah when i was yesterday

when i was i had my like insane schedule

screen stream yesterday

um

and uh

i was ranting and i was saying i was

just like

if you are calling yourself a marxist

leninist in the west you're a clown and

i'm a clown that's okay but i want to be

the joker the

why phoenix joker there's different

types of clowns but i was like i was

saying i was like why so serious why are

you guys so dogmatic and so serious and

so you know talking in hyphens

uh sorry what do you say i said talking

with hyphens between everything yeah

yeah it's like revisionist oh yeah

why do you guys are so taking it so you

know like

loosen up a little bit and have a more

open mind because you got to be aware of

the fact that in actual reality you're

not doing anything you know you don't

that's why i do anything that's why you

always love red kahina

even if i don't agree with her a hundred

percent agrees maybe 70 percent maybe 85

percent

but she's so [ __ ] weird and so very

much her own strange person i'm like

that's a good marxist in a way because

yes she's rigorous yes she has all these

thoughts yes she has her opinions of

varying degrees of quality but it's not

super super deadly i must pretend to be

in the 1920s or 30s and sincerely

international and stalin's going to read

you know my memos we're not in that era

uh we're just [ __ ] twitter users

we are

people buying books on amazon

we are not

you know party functionaries of some

pure era or dorks here's what even if

this comes to something we're dorks okay

yeah here's what these people can't wrap

their head around there is no central

authority and they're probably yeah

there never will be anymore i don't

think there will be that's why i talked

to this that's why i talked to you about

the fantasy thing the sci-fi thing about

the warlordism and [ __ ] because yeah

you know like we're not in this era

where there people

even anarchists everyone wants to have

this idea that there is a common

instantiated discourse and the site of

common meaning that's just already out

there

that we're all warlords who are creating

different ones you know we're atomized

liberal subjects we are pod people

eating bugs uh there's an article that

ed at berger oh i'm gonna bully to

coming on this uh i already bothered him

like i bothered him again

i talked to him pretty regularly so i'm

gonna bug him i'm like like uh but but

i'm gonna do it if he doesn't want to

come on that's also completely yeah yeah

yeah but i think he would have a good

time but

we would love to have him

he's he's so [ __ ] smart he would

i'd love to hear him ramble uh but he

sent me an article ages ago about i

think it seems like wardrobe someone

who's [ __ ] is not in english i don't

read french so i'm [ __ ] but there's a

brilliant article which i have saved i

will post to the chat for those who

might be interested

it's about the bizarre like

um

mental gymnastics

of an extremely intelligent ml who could

also call liberal or fascist or an

anarchist or about 20 other things

because it keeps being like what does

this ideology mean is there's no central

authority what do you do if there's no

party anymore and he's old he saw it all

collapse but there's

the article on him ends with his

interview

they're asking like what is your

ultimate idea where do you go with this

and finally he says like he's like it's

the height of the idiocy he said to deny

the importance of like the sword he's

like and i continue to say along with

mao longlife stalin he's like may they

like be held by the virgin mary like ten

thousand years blog post of yours

yeah

i was kind of obsessed with that guy i

love that post so [ __ ] much and i

really love the ending of it with yeah

stars thing and that's just so beautiful

man i love that so much

i'm gonna get back to writing this

[ __ ] because i'm like why not why

not be cringe why not share some

opinions but that thing about the stars

stuck with me i actually was driving

sometime like a few months ago and i was

remembering and i was like dude that was

really heavy like yeah one day we will

become stars or whatever yeah the

japanese red army guy yeah yeah yeah

that really got to be two or else in

jesus christ what a

what what uh an image of eternity

but but the lord jerome has something

similar which is what he's like he said

dare to give yourself a master he's like

that is the point of philosophy to give

yourself a master to be able to to not

be so vain to be so arrogant to say that

there are not people uh smarter and

better than you but i think he's also

smart because uh he picked dead people

as his masters uh in an air and then he

continued on into the modern era like he

lived past i think the 90s you know to

see it all come down but he's still like

no i'm just staying because they were

already dead so the union's gone of

course but i was already stalling this i

was already at malice there's already

these things

that's why i'm talking about warlordism

and socialistic nomadicism because to me

i think we live in an era where we still

do have a masters not maybe not people

as masters but masters

but we have to be responsible for our

masters we can't just yes pretend it

just exists out there we actually have

to like um

we have to own up to the fact that we

are generating our own masters basically

yeah it's like a religious person

religious people live

uh

where the where you know the central

figures of erosion but that for

thousands of years they still live with

all this commitment in their hearts and

all this commitment in their lives

because it's it's there it's written

down it does they don't need to be alive

you don't need these living idols you

can study and work and argue and you

know like stalin where he's rage against

you know the talmud of marxism as he

said because you know they were like

talmud is arguing over the text arguing

and fighting

it's all still important it's all still

alive the text is you know the text

matters the [ __ ] german professor

person who i love so much where she said

like i had this professor who hated

dairy dog he hated postmodernism and he

went on stage with a copy of like the

collective shakespearean screen the text

is the text the text is here in front of

you like you know that's the author

whatever and then he had a heart attack

on stage

uh

that they carried can't be carried away

but in some ways i think whis marks we

can still do this we can still say the

text is here the reading is here the

work is here but the person isn't there

is no party to prosecute there's no

censor there's only our own work in our

own labor that we can do on our own

terms for better or for worse probably

worse but we live in the worst world so

yeah i i agree with your program i would

just add the caveat that the text also

requires the mediation of an aesthetic

and that's so important because if you

don't have that you do have this kind of

talmudistic dogmatism where people think

they know the essence of what the text

is but in fact if you really want to

draw out the essence of the text you

need to have an aesthetic you need to

draw it out and through work and give it

form

and it's like

yeah you need to update it to the

contemporary times by drawing out and

distilling the essence of the text

and giving form to it

um

in accordance with the you know

because that you can really form cults

around people who profess to tell you

that this is their true meaning

you know i mean so yeah you have to have

the kind of aesthetic as well

but i agree i think that's what it's

like to look at strauss even though it's

being vile but i'm still curious in

these people but who sort of

you know retreated serelianism

for non-steroid you know phenomenal

leftist like this is intriguing or kojek

talks about it or hegel where he says

like

myth is like philosophy express your

aesthetics something to that effect

there's truth to that there's a truth to

that we operate on this especially if we

are apparently you know reprimitivized

in some way we you know be

culturized be educated we do need

aesthetics and we do need this and i

think our current political landscape

seems to show that miss and aesthetics

and like the irrational uh is incredibly

powerful incredibly alive

you know i almost i almost don't like

calling it myth because to me i feel

like the baseline of some kind of true

reality

is itself being put in motion and put to

work in this kind of aesthetic

partiality this kind of like light of

creating beauty i to me

i feel like this is all there is you

know not not just aesthetics and myths

and but i feel like it's almost kind of

like the delusion stuff about the

virtual and the actual and that like i

feel like um

the aesthetics is where our actual

reality that's what kind of gj's point

is where our real reality is actually

indeterminate but also in the process of

its actualization

yeah

sorry

no no no i no i i didn't have anything

oh i was just gonna did but i didn't i

was just gonna read a chat guy there's a

really good podcast called right back i

got i'll be right back all right for

sure there's a really good podcast

called aesthetic resistance on clock

soundcloud they're on red kahina's

channel once in a while yeah i never

heard never heard of that

um aren't they trying to create a city

or something

uh black hammer

that's what jennifer's saying yeah yeah

uh it's interesting because

it is weird and i don't want to join

that city myself but

i wish them all the best of luck with

their city you know because at least

instead of whining all the time they

actually have some kind of goal and

you know even if their goal will not

turn out well

which it might not i mean at least

they're not only based on trolling like

austin redguard or something like a lot

of leftists only exist to

their their game plan is to win over the

all the other leftists so what that

amounts to is constant trolling and

harassment of every leftist and [ __ ]

until everyone joins them so i kind of

am

fascinated by hammer city you know i'm a

little fascinated by like this

orientation but i would not join it

myself but

yeah i don't know

yeah yeah it's an interesting thing i

feel like the main thing that i

appreciated about that um that that

video on twitter was just that uh you

know he embraced that he was a clown you

know and had the had the clown face on

because i feel like that's like how a

lot of these organizations are but

without the uh

i guess the same uh level of honesty uh

about

about what they are

yeah i mean

oh yeah yeah

so i was browsing something

um

damn

i'm surprised we still have this many

viewers this late

yeah on a sunday too how you guys doing

in the chat

what do you guys think

it's a sunday yeah you're right sunday

is always always kind of dead

yeah

oh he's he's back what's up man

oh hey cocky

hello i was gonna say the chat cause i

was just looking at it so i mentioned

spell jammer i remember [ __ ] uh

god i have one wait cocky are you a b

i am a b we're i'm gonna mod you in our

chat just so you can

you can

so you can have the title and also

that you can share links

as a as an ml i crave any official power

and uh privilege validation

yeah

but someone just mentioned aesthetic

resistance which is uh he knows uh

she's it's not hers but she's on it

it's on soundcloud

it's a podcast

i really really [ __ ] like it because

you have like

an artist in japan

a very depressed but very bright

sounding journalist in like montreal

a guy i think in norway but he's from

new york and then kahina

molly klein you know phoning in and the

four of them are just complaining about

mask laws so it's almost pure boomer

like the mass security evil [ __ ] all

this but i like it because they're very

they're all grumpy mls and they're like

over 50. there's something beautiful and

valid about just listening to those

these people from new york being like

this is terrible i hate it

you know i want to buy my soda my pop

i'm like this is great i agree i agreed

to it to a huge degree

age is such a filter you know like a lot

of [ __ ] is just because people are

young you know yeah a lot of young

people are really [ __ ] dull and

boring

because they grew up with

with whatever newfangled you know

shenanigans they got going on and so

like listen to these old people who also

just remember sometimes when something

they remember government services we

don't have anymore i went to dinner it

was a bunch of people like over 60 a

while back because i was in college

well it was not anymore uh i was in

college and i got invited out to there's

professors and welcome said about how he

used to go on welfare and then use the

welfare money to go to europe every

summer and i was like that's [ __ ]

amazing and he was like and he was like

yeah they didn't monitor [ __ ]

he's like i would just go i would save

up the welfare money and i'll just throw

your back 70s or whatever and i'm like

that's the coolest [ __ ] thing ever i

would do that like

i would do the exact same thing if i

could and he's like the worse things

were the better they were

and then he like cleaned glasses with us

and says here's hoping things get worse

this is before 2020 so so

i hope

i really hope he was right

that shit's gonna get real nice because

it's so bad

here's hoping

um

i've never been to [ __ ] europe i've

never been i've never been outside of

america i don't think hey i haven't i

haven't been either actually i kind of

wish that i i

i would have like traveled more but yeah

i haven't been outside of america and

only a few spots in america to be honest

i only traveled in 2019

and i've become one of those annoying

americans where it's like i traveled

once so now i know i'm the expert now

but it's really just more like i [ __ ]

had a great time it was so much fun

and it was just

[ __ ] great i love [ __ ] around

europe

and i also loved how europeans like

culturally are impressed if you say oh

yeah i'm a ta in the philosophy

department of a small college they're

like wow

you're so cultured and i'm like sure

sure i am sure i'm sure and so you know

so i was like sitting drinking was like

a [ __ ] like french executive or some

company and he's like oh that's great i

wish i'd done that because you know

culture is so important

so it's like yeah it was great it was

great to have a clout for no real reason

before probably being a slacker who

likes to read books

and have a bunch of like much like

richer europeans buy me drinks it was a

great time

i recommend it yeah man i mean

is that what you're doing now you're

still ta

uh no i quit i'm totally quick because

they

hear something [ __ ] up here's

something oh yeah they want they want

tas at this college my friend who is

still a ta was telling me i want you to

call students on the phone they're gonna

give them their numbers so they can call

them

why to harass them into doing

assignments

because these colleges have such a

little engagement

with like students because it's like

there's like a crisis like attention or

it's like it's hard to do classes during

quarantine it's hard to do anything when

you're just [ __ ] like stuck home

depressed when life seems so crazy it's

like why would you want to do some

shitty college i can't they realize this

so they're trying to make the tas like

harass students for less pay

than they were getting before i wish i

[ __ ] wish i can't wait for the whole

education system to completely collapse

i'm saying that it's someone in law

school now but you know what if it

collapsed then i would be forced

into like out in the open and i know for

a fact my improvising instincts would

lead me to a creative outcome

of some kind but

anything to leave law school

would be so [ __ ] great man just to

get imagine if i could like make a

living off of what i love doing which is

this kind of [ __ ]

like marxism and writing and stuff and

streaming and all that kind of stuff

it's like i've been singing about that

i'm like what the [ __ ] do i do i how do

you i think it's this thing too it's

like at least for me i'm like

i've been given a false sense of pride a

false sense of worth

where i'm like no i need to figure out

how to honor and become what people call

a grifter which is an entertainer

basically 100 percent because i'm like

how do i like

say to myself i like okay people seem to

like hearing me talk how do i just sell

me talking because i know people who've

done it so like how do i just do that

because i don't like anything might as

well talk might as well it's all about

calling bluffs you just have to put

yourself out there yeah [ __ ] you just

gotta not give a [ __ ] like who like this

is what i realized

who the [ __ ] is anyone to judge me

behind your [ __ ] keyboard you put

yourself out there if you want to you

know have this thing you put your

[ __ ] self out there and then you

let's see what you're made of you know

what i'm saying it's true

and it's also like people

seem to assume to ascribe such a

seriousness that like if you're going to

put something out there it must really

be worth something and then you see what

they're consuming and you're like well

that's not worth [ __ ] they're watching

all day or whatever which i mean fair

enough i don't have much against them

but they're about as serious you know

quote than anyone else it's all just

this is america we we are culturalist

slobs and we just got to give our

opinions you know if you can do it well

then why not it's almost like you got to

also call a

as

aesthetical

bluff that behind the screen

yeah there's the promise of some perfect

person or perfect personality if you

just put yourself all out there and all

your flaws and you do that first

then it's almost like you're beating to

the chase

this bluff

that there's anything more than just us

as flawed human you know what i mean by

this like yeah yeah

you just gotta like call bluffs all

around you know like yeah they think so

this really is it and it's such a

challenge to msm and legacy uh

entertainment media because it's almost

like you're also calling their bluff

like like i'm on screen right now we got

20 people watching us

and it's like this is really what it's

like you know this is like

this every time you turn on tv and you

see mtv or you watch like some [ __ ] on

visit the news or chris cuomo and [ __ ]

it's literally just like this

they don't have anything we don't have

besides more money and production value

you know what i mean

i think 20 people watching is good

because imagine if you went to a bar to

start talking loudly and 20 people are

listening to you i feel pretty [ __ ]

good

uh

having 20 people listen to you is is

something and i think also part of this

too is like i have friends who are

really into youtubers and [ __ ] which i

never was but like watching them like

watching my friends sort of watching my

friends watch these people like people

seem just like normal and boring here

watching they really enjoy them i think

they just sort of put themselves out

there

it's kind of like when you meet people

you get along with somebody you don't

you enjoy watching somebody you don't

there's something to just some guy from

schweb you know

on the screen instead of someone in a

nice suit with credentials who's been

presented as this sort of semi-human

thing

you know

i don't quite get mainstream news appeal

anymore because i'm like i don't know

why i'm gonna watch this sort of plastic

uh college graduate

you know i i think i kind of i think i

kind of get what it is because i i spent

some some time with family recently and

they're all kind of older so they watch

uh you know more mainstream news but

it's i think no one really agrees with

it no one really believes in it but

there's some kind of like enjoyment and

entertainment that still comes in the

experience of it even though like you

don't

like believe it

and even though you you don't buy you

might even hate some of the people

you're like watching but there's a it

creates like uh like some kind like an

environment of entertainment and one

that almost just like a bit appeals so

you just like base so your very base uh

like political intuitions almost you

know that's what i think it is it's like

you wanna know what they're saying and

you don't agree with them but you still

want to know what they're you know

right right you know

yeah yeah you want to be in on it

jake squadron is loved recent video but

could you guys elaborate as to why the

eff

well i don't have that much time but

i i'll just say that

i think they're the most advanced

socialist organization besides the

communist party of china which is in

power

i think they're the most they're the

future that's all i say

i think

in the digital in this digital

information age we live in

another thing too is that their relation

to aesthetics

is that they very

unlike the majority of social

organizations even outside america they

seem to be unable to reconcile

the special socialist culture with the

popular culture right

and it seems like there's just this

dissonance between the clothes they

don't have the culti vibe that i get

from a lot of groups that just tell you

the whole world is depravity and evil

and you know

only we're gonna show you a good

i don't know it's kind of like that

it's the best way i could put it

i i know nothing

about what you were just talking about

which of these cultiving like gravity

and evil

like glued to go back to to i won't even

say their name to the

uh

spooky american group we were talking

about before

uh

but it's like the whole like cult vibe

of like you know everything is prayed

and everything is evil on one hand i'm

like yeah i agree everything is to pray

for people but to go to then say we will

offer you this pure vision

like like in your group this is a safe

space that will protect you from you i

don't need to cut you off but yeah

yeah i was just thinking like i do

the the only part of like the whole

alt-right [ __ ] back in 2016 when i

was really kicking off you'd see those

voices where sometimes they would just

say the world is evil and we live in an

evil world and we're just living in it

sometimes i would see that little

glimmer was in their [ __ ] and now i

was always thinking oh that's

interesting it's an interesting little

glimmer which is like everything is

already sold out everything is garbage

everything is trash you saw that was

like the yang gang people where some of

them were like oh i used to believe in

this this and this [ __ ] last thousand

dollars

i was like it's pathetic and weird but

it's not valid in a way

because i'm like yeah nothing seems to

be good so just give me something

i i almost wish i would like people

attack like some like soch down you know

some social democrats type people on

twitter for that i'm just like no i mean

they're wrong

i don't know a way out they seem just

miserable and they want something decent

outline well i mean uh i completely

agree with everything you're saying

basically all i meant was um

more in the sense of like groups

that try to

hide the world from you

yes they try to hide it from you you

know they try to that's dangerous

they're like they're like don't watch

this movie because yeah yeah this movie

is going to poison your mind and you

know that's what i mean

yeah because they do that with

everything like with like with

philosophers with uh movies with books

for people it's so it's crazy

yeah it's like we're talking about ml's

before where it's like there is no

central committee there's no central

party who can be like don't read this

don't do that it's reactionary it's like

we don't have any authorities anymore

which is probably a bad thing i just we

don't so i just don't pretend we do i

feel like american communists were just

always bottom feeding off of

the soviet union's actual state like

that that was believe it or not they

don't understand that that wasn't some

like mysterious central authority that

was actually a state that was

encompassing

a lot of nationalities and territories

and people you know

you know the kgb called american

communists apparently

uh [ __ ] eaters

that was apparently their term for like

white american communists

it's still true it's still true you know

it's yeah because it says we're eating

our [ __ ] they're eating our garbage and

we're still pumping out they're always

like a step behind so they felt so

they're the [ __ ] eaters i'm like oh it's

brutal

yeah i mean i think most politicians

most people are good intentioned

but

you know i feel like the left and

communists and people in this milieu

it's so dangerous just because

these are the people who think they've

acquired the absolute good and truth as

a remedy for everything

and this

very easily gives rise

to a lot of

bad abuse and yeah and pathologies and

psychotic type of evil in a sense almost

you know because it's religious it's

become yeah and i'm not one of those

people who's like thinks that oh the

word religious always means something

bad but it is literally religious when

you think you have to you know receive

this like pure

perfect

truth that you must spread and everyone

who does not share it you know speak

your evil

i don't know how anyone living in

[ __ ] 2021 in america could think they

have anything because they're pure

because i don't see the results of that

at all i don't see anything that seems

that's uh decent in this country it's

it's like it's like religion without the

the history and the depth and the

meaning and the poetry of it yeah it's

it's like it's like religion without any

of the the actual like kind of deeper

more meaningful aspect

of it it's just that kind of purity uh

yeah it's yeah it's that kind of purity

complex the uh

like beautiful soul mentality you know

you know what pisses me off too is that

you know i know

i know that

wasn't there there was a commenter on

our video or something that was like

talking [ __ ] to us and you know what

triggered me that he had a fallout 3

profile picture like dude you're this

marxist-leninist but you're just playing

fallout 3 like the rest of us like what

do you have you know what i mean why are

you what right do you have to

be so like this phrase monger talking

about all this stuff it's like yeah what

what where's the authority of your words

you know like you're just playing

fallout like i was yesterday or

something

you don't have any secret i don't you

know you're it's like you profess all

this

posturing and [ __ ] but at the end of the

day what are you doing you're going on

you're watching anime or something and

you're going and you're playing at the

[ __ ] elder scrolls oblivion yeah

that [ __ ] drives me crazy like on

twitter's

feel self-conscious should i post this

just meandering nonsense for no reason

aren't i supposed to be like did people

you know subscribe to this stupid

[ __ ] account which is a stupid name i

mean i'm [ __ ] cocky duty not exactly

in a story on anything it was kind of

the point of why i used to scream that's

why we nonsense that's why we had to put

cd in our title because yeah

cocky duty because people because it's

from a [ __ ] no brook smoothly it's

from a comedy it's supposed to be stupid

but at the same time i'm also like well

i guess people want to hear me say

thoughts and i'm just posting where it's

like oh i went to 7-eleven today and

then i look at other accounts they're

like posting like these big paragraphs

of like you know like here's all the

thought and analysis

i'm serious and

and then

it's [ __ ] it's all [ __ ] because

it's like yes it's not [ __ ] to think

and to analyze and to have an

intellectual life and then to read and

try to understand what's going on and

tell people but it is [ __ ] to

pretend that you're somehow this

anachronistic i guess [ __ ] time

traveling uh you know communist

functionary you know from the [ __ ]

30s or 40s just showing up to tell

everybody you know how to be a real

comedy that's stupid there's no party in

this country that's centralized there's

no power

there's no anything

i mean

there's nothing yeah

even the q anon people can get their

stupid [ __ ] together and there's some

sort of

violent bizarre cult that seem to have a

level of effectiveness beyond

a lot of like leftward foster did you

guys see the video of alex jones going

off on q and on yeah i did it was funny

it was it was very funny i kind of i

kind of i wanna there's someone in the

chat well no most that's very true the

harry potter things but

um

alexander why are you you the ones with

infrared vision and why is the american

left well i mean if whether there's

something that

distinguishes us from the american left

is up to you if you don't think so and

you think we're the same you don't have

to watch us

but

we're just trying to give expression to

what we think

does separate us

but that's the proof is in the pudding

if you don't

if you can't see that then

you don't have to

so we're gonna say we're also we're not

saying we're special in the sense that

we have some party and that

you know we're just trying to open your

horizons guys we're not trying to

i i told you last night i said i'm a

clown too okay i'm not trying to i'm not

trying to be like the commander of

the

the the the viewers

yeah

i

as much as i like dislike like the whole

chap of milieu

i i someone sent me like their first

chapter of their book like when they had

like a preview or something it was

actually fun because i just remember the

bit where it says like there's like a

half-assed

uh gramscianism gramsci in this you know

running through american culture where

it's like you know a battle for culture

must be waged and that's actual

political struggle and they sort of said

like this is the problem with liberalism

is the problem also probably was us and

everyone else and that we're all just

fighting over culture and that's where

our battle is

and i was like and i'm sort of pleased

with that seems very self-aware i agree

with that view i think that's my problem

i think it's a lot of people's problems

i think we're i'm trapped in

just thinking about culture because

materially

i'm

doing pretty [ __ ] good not amazing

but i'm

not in danger

so i can just keep babbling about

culture and view and image and aesthetic

and all these things and all those

things matter

but i think when people want this like

total view it's difficult i don't

to get to totality to get to something

deep i don't quite know

how the [ __ ] you get to and i think

that's one of our problems is the

american western leftist i'm so sorry

henry hasn't catch up yeah i was gonna

say i think the whole like cultural uh

like

battle uh is

inevitable um like i feel like it's not

necessarily that like uh like americans

are like doing the wrong thing by being

part of this like kind of cultural tesco

i just i feel like inevitable uh and

it's kind of like it all depends on like

almost like having the right uh cultural

position like i feel like the problem

with american cultural politics in

left-wing politics it's like it's always

this university culture right it's

always this establishment and

institutional culture uh that's yeah

it's always this like elitist

establishment institutional uh culture

we have almost like the opposite of a of

a cultural revolution you have like this

reassertion of

you know uh institutional culture

yeah

what is our role what is incredible

all we want to do is create a alternate

frequency on the 14th dimension that you

can tune into you know like just an

alternative current basically you know

uh i guess that's it like we don't all

our role is that we want

to give you an alternative perspective

that you can tune into

and

um

you don't have to

uh

accept

the limited

uh

confines of the dogmatic type of yeah

you know alexander one way to think

about it is uh just

you know when we first

yeah we kind of yeah but when we first

like uh you know decided to start this

channel is because we just wanted to

present

you know

uh what we are you know what's been

building up and what we've been

discussing is stuff like that for years

and we're just presenting

that now in an objective you know public

way that's all it really is it's almost

like there's always this

there's always like these channels of

wavelengths and [ __ ] that people are

always going to be

uh

in tune with so we're just trying to

create another one

and see where it goes you know

uh it's it's like um

it seems like it's very conservative

because we're not volunteeristic and

we're not going to tell you to go out on

the street and [ __ ]

we're just

we're just a

um

a kind of center of communication that

makes sense

yeah

i think it's always a good idea to have

a conversation going because why the

[ __ ] not

yeah i mean

it's like none of this is given too you

know

like this um

giving form to like what's going on in

the world and left it's not giving you

know so

yeah someone alex dander post when i

broke with the left of the anti-lockdown

movement i have no home

i think there's one thing i kind of i

liked about i think we got along on

twitter uh

you me and other people it's like if you

break with certain ideas like thought

you start to have no home

and unfortunately there seems to be a

huge home where if your only break was

left in culture it's like i don't know

you're homophobic you're transphobic or

you're racist or whatever those people

always have a hall

those people are always doing yeah they

do because they create a little group

that's defined by their own

victimization all the trans yeah people

cancelled me

and then they do the reverse they use

all the same sort of whole ideas of this

reverse and they have a great time sure

it's very fun to be one of those

[ __ ] but if you're just like i don't

necessarily

have any urge to hate a large

demographic of people other than like i

don't know [ __ ] you know you're

supposed to hate your [ __ ]

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i feel like the only group of people

that i actually like dislike or other

leftist pretty much true

very true one here's my question for

cocky i wanted to ask this i forgot but

i just remembered

do you have any haters

i have haters

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uh do you like on twitter and stuff or

anywhere like in the wider world in the

wider world i definitely do

unfortunately or like like you know like

does cocky duty the blogger and the

public figure have haters

i do

uh there was a guy who used to email me

all the time

and then when i had like a curious cat

that was normal to have those on the

twitter account there was a few group of

people who would just accuse me of like

weird [ __ ] constantly like what tell me

how

like they would say like oh you're

you're basically like oh you're a [ __ ] or

oh you're straight

they would say like they would alternate

between you tell me i'm straight or gay

or like some they were always trying to

tell me what i was and then they would

also say stuff like you're you're a

narcissistic fake and like of course i'm

like narcissistic

strangers to talk to me online as a

narcissistic actor i do want some

attention i'm drunk online right now it

was just it was really nonsensical so i

never took them seriously so i have

haters but never

what did the emails what were the emails

the emails were like

i hate you and i'm going to kill you i

think you know just he and he mentioned

him that he was on curious cat and i

didn't respond it was kind of funny like

he did jokes

they're just [ __ ] weirdos the reason

i'm asking is because it's like are

there just haters for no reason is the

question yeah because i feel like you

haven't done anything

that

would i've done [ __ ] that will that i'm

asking for haters you know based on yeah

our past streams and [ __ ]

but

i feel like you're just going to have

haters for no reason at all like that

guy just emailed you saying

yeah to kill him i think he's what his

word does that was nothing

like this i was like 10 other people

because he's bored he wants a response

and i do remember i had haters when i

first was on twitter and i deserved them

because all my friends were like weird

acceleration as twitter people

and like one of my early followers was

[ __ ] nickland so it's like yeah

that's what it is

you should i have two that glam quality

balls too the urban future and the

outsideness right

yeah you've got two not outside that he

follows me on the secret semi-secret one

that's pretty cool it's pretty cool yeah

i thought they were funny i thought it

was kind of cool that's fun

but so i'd hate it for that reason i

think that's fair and i though i still

remain proud like here's a there's a

infrared exclusive

thing of nicole and there's a [ __ ]

tweet that goes viral every once in a

while it's nick land talking about

burning popcorn

yeah i don't know if you've seen that

but because yeah every once in a while i

wrote that that's fake i mean

like i i made you wrote that

yeah i did a slash edit where you know i

took a screencap and said wow nikoi's

been deleting some your tweets lately yo

that's a huge in for ready

you guys only get this okay you guys

yeah

that's my exclusive because every time i

see it i do feel narcissistic like i did

that

everyone's making you know everyone's

having everyone's laughing you know i've

contemplated

um if we should ever ask nick to come on

but the racism stuff is kind of

he's a racist he sucks that's that's

kind of that's kind of what makes it

not good pr and optimum yeah and it

sends a bad message but otherwise some

discomfort with it off and on where i'm

like

yeah it's almost like

i don't

um i'm completely fine with like the

libertarian all his politics that's

completely fine he's such an interesting

guy it's just

sometimes he says some pretty violence

is he

yeah it's a eugenicist weirdo

it was pretty funny you know who uh i

guess just jehu it's how you'd say you

know who he is right yeah i know he is

of course yeah well nicole and they're

going to friends

and there was a bit when they quit yeah

they're friends and there's

teaching a course on like an online

college and he says i want jehu to be an

instructor here

and he and i will put together like a

course

like that was a real like an attempted

thing i think like two years two or

three years ago

so we'll give nico and that he tried to

get you know

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the weird racists who tried to get a

black guy made an honorary professor

that's got to be you know land doesn't

strike me as

this is something a lot of american

lovers don't get

you you don't have to be personally

racist to have racist views i feel like

land is like metaphysically racist when

pushing yourself he's racist but he

doesn't strike him as racist on a

personal level apparently on a personal

level he's very sweet and also on a

personal level he will rant and rave

about the bourgeoisie and how they you

know apparently at dinner he's like

going to buy that wine

honestly one of those people he's easy

no he's european maybe i'm wrong but

everything about his personality i think

he seems like a good guy just

personality based maybe personality he's

apparently sweet that's what i'm told

yeah sweet guy but views why it's not

his [ __ ]

yeah yeah exactly racist racist grandpa

yeah i mean

he's definitely had a profound influence

on my thinking a better word me too

whether i wanted another or not he's

still

at this i started reading him and marx

and all these people all basically at

the same time yeah

and stuff it's it's almost good to read

because he has like a great stylized

aesthetic version

of the silicon valley [ __ ] they try

to sell us

he's got the cooler version

of what peter thiel and all these people

are trying to hoist on us where it's

like imagine a society where capital has

been you know

turned into a

user experience where you log into your

country

blah blah blah all that [ __ ]

he sells that image

better than people actually selling the

image though

yeah i mean um

you know uh

i don't know there's a lot of things

that

i just kind of take for granted when it

that i feel like

from land including the kind of

i don't know but i feel like there's a

lot of landy and dogmatists that i don't

like i don't like when people are too

dogmatic about it you know

they're definitely landy and dog rituals

i remove them

from being in that little well i was in

like a [ __ ] reading group it starts

like a reading group that turns into a

slack channel

that's right

slack is slack is used by companies so

employees can talk

it's a corporate like messaging app

i've never heard of it it creates like

private chat rooms

oh yes you know for corporate work it's

like it's like a companies use it

but we used it which is incredibly

appropriate really is it like encrypted

uh i guess in its own weird way yeah

that's why guys stop saying two-hour

stream okay it was

hockey came on so that's what changed

plans

as you said in the description this is

going to be a quick two hour stream uh

cocky hairs for the low so below i agree

taxpayer money

yeah dude that gross yeah

i'm just surprised you've had haters you

know i feel like what have you done

i've had a small cadre of devoted haters

not really no not a big way it's got to

be one person come on

it seems to be like two or three guys

because they have very similar voice i

think they're all british too which i

will

i will throw that into there we talk a

lot of [ __ ] about anglos and sometimes i

feel bad about it because there's anglos

i like

i mean i don't even know i should call

them angles there's people english

people i like

anglo has become like a

big um derogatory word that on infrared

streams

but like even even nick land i don't

i like nick land in a sense

i don't um i see the for me anglo is

like just a type of dogmatism you know

and i just very common pattern of

um

those type of people who just

um do don't understand dialectical

thinking and they'll always be like well

you're using that word and that's not

the true definition and proper it's like

dude shut the [ __ ] up

yeah yeah

i remember that reminds me on like on a

slack you can also like set up all sorts

of little macro things so if a word pops

up it'll instantly respond with

something and you remember someone on

the like accelerationist discussion

slack put it so like every time you said

dialectics a little message will pop up

saying that's the like stupid version of

cybernetics or something like that

which is gotta be the most nicholandian

yeah i really disagree

yeah me too

but i remember that that just reminded

me of that yeah i the anglo thing

there's something

there's something really perverse about

some people who are just so obsessed

with this image of like liberal

rationalism that's what i mean

even when it seems to be the most

non-rational and debunked set of like

beliefs

and i hate the word i've just come to

hate the word nonsense because marxists

yeah even marxists who always say oh

that's nonsense felix is a fundamental

anglopathology but english people

themselves quad themselves i guess

do have a unique thing going on and i

have nothing against it you know

yeah yeah

yeah i've i've had nothing but great

encounters with like [ __ ] english

people in real life they're always very

nice and i feel like our channels

sorry i feel like our channel's

aesthetic is kind of

english a little bit like futuristic

english i don't know so i think someone

said that once

huh

sounds fun i like the sound of that

yeah i uh

i also apologize to people if i'm

extending like the chat beyond people's

uh endurance that came on later no no no

yes i'm also such a [ __ ] talker

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see this this stream you've been uh last

our first uh show

i don't know why we didn't stream in the

just in the beginning i don't know why

we did the show format but

we both talked a crazy length and i

think we got five hours yeah something

insane like that was great it's fun and

we talked fast too i'm talking really

slow today

yeah i'm pretty sedate i've only i've

been sipping

alternating between drinking my little

[ __ ] screwdriver and my uh energy

drink

yeah

saw prolet i honestly don't know how to

play dnd i just it

it's a yeah i i don't know if it'd be

great for a stream

[Laughter]

i'd play dnt on the stream

that's not stupid that sounds i think

that would be so frustrating and like a

funny way i want to have a gaming stream

but i don't know why i just

played destiny 2 on stream i'd do that

dude if my computer could run it that

game's addicting destiny it is someone i

don't know who adds me because i like

put my like steam app thing on twitter

recently so much people ask me someone's

been playing destiny too constantly and

every time i see it i'm like oh [ __ ]

every install

[ __ ]

i wonder what's a really streamable game

nowadays

you know i want i was talking to our

rust because i didn't want to stream it

right um but i just wanted to check it

out i wanted to like see what was going

on but i think almost anything

streamable if it's just fun to look at

it says my feel

have you seen cruelty squad to to wrap

my friends uh game they made

i've been seeing that on the tl i just

didn't understand what it was

my

villa vilcaglio

uh

a good uh sort of tanky uh good ml guy

live in finland he made uh his own first

person shooter oh it's and it's on steam

and everything yeah it's on steam like

20 bucks understand and all those homes

isn't it it's really good that's [ __ ]

crazy

it's authentically really good what is

it called cruelty so let me put it in

there he's your friend yeah yeah cruelty

squad

that's crazy yeah you know i kind of i

kind of do feel like we should like do

like uh maybe like social gaming streams

sometimes like i don't know yeah it

seems like something worth the try at

least because you never really know what

it's going to be until you you know give

it a go and

it seems like it you know because

sometimes i just want to talk but i also

want to

not get bored while i talk does that

make sense yeah

right yeah

there's totally something it's kind of

like like when i used to talk on the

phone back when phones existed yeah like

walking down the street and talking on

the phone is kind of nice

exactly get in gaming while chatting

around ahead so it's kind of an

experience you're moving somewhere

it's kind of productive you zone out in

a good way but it sounds great

you know my biggest like reddit game

that i actually like

but i can't be proud of it all because

it's the most reddit game of all time is

no man's sky

is what no man's oh no man

ah

yeah i haven't i don't have like that

there's nothing like a game where you

can actually get in the ship

and fly to different planets and land

and they're all different and they have

different like

floor and fauna and [ __ ]

it's just crazy it sounds fun it sounds

fun i mean my hair makes me think i like

that's why i used to like the first mass

effect and if if you see my setup right

now like i have pretty big screens

so it's like it's a crazy oh [ __ ] the

double the double screen yeah yeah i

just set it up today i set up a double

nice i was i was pretty excited about

that game when it came out i just never

got to buying it though but i really

love the uh the concept of it uh just

like this you know generate this

universe that's like you know

continually being generated in all this

you know variety and chaos and stuff

matt jay dude i wish i could get outside

i used to i usually i tan in the summer

and stuff it's just that

um

i live in michigan and i hate you can't

being outside is not for humans right

now you know

it's like you're supposed to be in the

cave um

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whatever hibernating this i i dread

going outside i just [ __ ] hate the

cold and i never used to but quarantine

just did that to me yeah

i used to love walking in the winter and

[ __ ] i grew up in [ __ ] chicago and i

still michigan all the time i'm used to

shitty cold weather and i live somewhere

now this is not that cold and shitty

and it's amazing how little i walk

around in the cold now it sucks it's

[ __ ] quarantined i actually uh was

visiting uh chicago not that long ago i

was i was born but i was born there but

i moved uh to the south uh like while i

was very young but i was visiting back

there not too long ago and yeah it's a

um it's a it's it's pretty it's pretty

cold there it's everything it's like

it's like in america you have like

places that are so different from other

places where you have almost like these

completely like it's almost like going

to a different country inside of the

same country you know yeah chicago has

its own place for sure yeah yeah a lot

of big cities are their own weird little

city-states chicago's a tough city i

just whenever

when i went there it's just like damn

dude this this city's

evil it's like the city's this city is

trying to eat me everywhere yeah

yeah like my friendly place even going

to a chicago gym that was like in

downtown chicago i went inside this gym

and it was just like such a horrible

feeling i had

i don't know i can't explain to that i'm

just going to say trust your intuition

on that it's entirely correct

chicago people do not like people i

think

new york i was like oh yeah okay people

are rude

but i never felt disliked or unwelcome

wherever i was in new york but in

chicago like even just growing up there

even like they're going back and forth

between there and suburbs

oh yeah you feel like the vibe or

someone's just like i wish you were dead

i wish you weren't here that's so often

i i kind of i just [ __ ] love michigan

man michigan's such a cozy place and i

love that water the big great lakes

and i feel like i swim in the [ __ ]

lake michigan all the time as a kid

that's cool you know it was great

michigan is like to me it's like the

ultimate state for me because it's not

on the coast in front of the big ocean

so it won't be swallowed by the ocean

but it's also not land locked and yeah

somewhere it's like the perfect state

for me you know yeah

my grandfather had a [ __ ] house in

michigan i used to go to as a kid

on a lake whose name is

uh very not

politically correct anymore the name of

federal areas weird bootlegger people

named all this [ __ ] out there so [ __ ]

cool but you go swimming out there and

it's connected to lake michigan and

hungarians go out it's like a lake boat

just be in the water and there's like

tires and like rusted trucks and [ __ ]

people were dumped out there

snakes

it was so fun i loved it oh

the great [ __ ] childhood was that

[ __ ]

and man i'm just depressed now i just

missed the midwest what about west now i

live in mormon country

dude i i everywhere i've been in america

just made me long to go back to the

midwest i just yeah i love the wide open

spaces like the flatness exactly yeah i

went to when i went to germany and i saw

this the endless like flatness i was

like oh this is why germans like

wisconsin why they loved it so much well

i'd love germany then i would [ __ ]

love it

i just saw an endless sort of like green

gray yellow hills little bits of woods

and dower people and like sweatpants and

like tracksuits just scowling and i was

like coming from home that sounds

beautiful yeah russia has some of that

too saint petersburg feels like if

somehow somehow someone somehow combined

the field chicago is like [ __ ]

versailles into one city

which makes no sense until you're there

that makes sense to me that makes sense

to me yeah i met someone she was from

chicago she was way older than me my dad

says i was talking to her to barnes and

petersburg she's like the city always

felt like chicago i was like yes you've

got it exactly from chicago

and she's like that's why i love living

in saint petersburg because she's like i

grew up in chicago and now in europe i

have a city that is gray

wet

cold and kind of unfriendly but kind of

good at the same time there's like some

wholesomeness to it

you know you know the weird the weird

thing about places like chicago though

is like while they're very very rough

places to live there's so much culture

like there's so yeah

in these kinds of places uh

a very unique culture too

i think that's probably what she was

talking about too so much good music

came out chicago when she lived there

she was there for like a house and she

was their [ __ ] weird industrial [ __ ]

but they've been st petersburg there's

like a ton of that okay okay interesting

yeah music and like some more [ __ ] yeah

the yeah yeah that's the one thing

chicago has like a lot of a lot of great

musical talent but also even just down

to like normal stuff like the food even

the food is like very unique different

and like its own its own kind of thing

you know

yeah oh god the food yeah yeah the food

is why i'm fat my god that [ __ ] feels

so heavy and so good

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amazing food

yeah

this is why i can't be completely

knee-jerk anti-american because i'm like

i know too much cozy nice associations

honestly it's like america on a regional

level i'm like no no you don't get it

the snow and the food and the

i love it

it's good to pull off you know where

you'll live or whatever it's like it's

because it's because this is why and

this is why i think uh liberals just

don't have a a good time it's because

there are places in america that have

culture

right but then there are other places in

america where it's just like this kind

of very bland

uh like abstract kind of just like like

suburbs for example yeah this is kind of

i don't know what they are just kind of

bland and kind of nothing almost you

know or barracks or something you know

in michigan at least the it's always the

like the red areas that have the most

fun

compared to like like i think you know

about ann arbor right

yeah yeah yeah i'm supposed to be there

this [ __ ] summer

to like the semis suburban liberal

places is what i mean

um

rural michigan is just where people have

fun it's just that's where i used to go

as a kid we go to kalamazoo and then out

yeah dude i i love we we call it like

here we call it up north you go up north

yeah

you pee

yeah dude and um then there's the

mackinaw bridge and [ __ ] dude it's not

it's almost like i'm a michigan

nationalist it's not even just america

it's like i have this attachment to

michigan you know

yeah

that's [ __ ] i [ __ ] miss mr gonna

[ __ ] go back when this

but apparently we are no longer all

disease factors

i don't think it'll ever end i don't buy

the i agree

that's what i'm starting to think it's

it's it's going to be one of those

things where it's going to last so long

by the time it doesn't end you're going

to forget you're going to forget when it

started you know

and you know i'm just going to wrap

myself in plastic wrap actually you know

in america at least someone called me

anti-vaxx for this but i don't give a

[ __ ]

i'm not taking that vaccine i'm just not

i don't trust [ __ ] i wouldn't i was just

talking to friends about that like i

talked to my dad my dad was like he's a

corporate america guy while floppy's

also

black guy from the south side chicago

grew up in the 70s so he was vaccinated

he was like out transition

okay anything close like i'm

transitioning at all i don't trust that

and i was kind of like i

yeah i'm

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it's a silent majority it's a silent

majority yeah everyone i've met everyone

i've met besides really liberal kind of

tick-tock people

yeah

everyone i've met doesn't want to take

that vaccine i know people who want to

take it but they want to take it but

they also go like i'll take it but

when they make a noise like i'm right so

like let me risk whatever horror maybe

contain but i want to just get through

this era with the past you know so give

it but

then go

that's the sound

i've literally heard that

right

and i'm almost that level i'm like all

right shoot me uploads whatever the [ __ ]

that is but oh god

it's almost like i'm not anti-vaxx it's

just

why do i have to take the mrna one you

know yeah

let's be capitalists let's shop around

let me try the russians yeah yeah

apparently the whole country of mexico

they just signed off on that one and the

army is like you know this comes under

the history quite a bit

i'm going to try theirs the one the one

i least would want to take is the uh the

american one

yeah exactly because the sputnik is a

new technology but it's been trying to

test this in the 70s but the chinese

vaccine is just a normal vaccine

that sounds great i would love it yeah i

wish we had access i wish we had access

to like buying the buying the chinese

vaccine because that would probably

shouldn't

yeah we should i mean you know [ __ ]

capital we should have actually yeah

yeah

another thing about the china boycott is

that i was able we switched to verizon

and

i was able to get a new phone for free

and i really wish we i could have gotten

a huawei phone because i'm gonna i use

android i don't know how to use that

so

um yeah

huawei phones look really cool they look

really sick

in russia it was kind of cool that's

what everybody had like a ton of people

had those like

yeah and running off it was cool i mean

it's crazy it looks shitty and cool at

the same time

it's crazy how like america's just like

closing itself off from the rest of the

world now you know yeah

yeah

there was a a podcast where they

interviewed boris groise about the

vaccine i'm not vaccinated i mean the uh

quarantine sorry uh there does about the

internet and the guy he grows at a point

where he's like where's you know the

internet has been defined as a space and

like every other space where's the

internet being defined uh on a

nationalistic level you know it has to

be

sectioned up there's gonna be american

internet and chinese internet et cetera

and then he said this like like virus

business he said it's identical already

prepared for computer viruses and

isolation from those now you know once

again we have isolation you know from

physical spaces he's like they all

mirror each other it's all the same

trend like this all happened before and

he was like in this very bored voice

where he was just like it's just like

before one don't worry about it

it was great it was i mean he's talking

about horrific things in a very velocity

way which is like always kind of fun to

listen to

but there was a point where he was just

like america is isolating himself and

he's done before this we're having our

will we're having you know america first

thing even though the biden i think we

still have doesn't seem to have really

relented

the sense of american

like isolation where it's still like oh

yes all these countries are doing

terrorism and they're all evil and

they're all bad i'm still pushing that

[ __ ] i think

real quick the guardian had a [ __ ]

armed forces kgb agent says trump is

agent of influence that was the

guardian's number one story right

yesterday so we had pushing all this

[ __ ] i think it's even more extreme with

abiding the democrats because like

that's i mean i feel like that's like

objectively like what the like democrats

represent is like this closing off

uh of america uh like this kind of like

internally externally like censoring

everything and

all these russian conspiracies like

russia's doing this russia is doing that

yeah that's i mean that's yeah that's i

think that's objectively just what the

democrats represent

yeah they represent america first for

liberals because they're still saying

america's young country are civilized

basically and everyone else you know

it's totalitarian

you know hell state

it's the same [ __ ] just in a

miss maddow instead of i don't know what

the [ __ ] the trump has had i don't know

who their guy was for news

you know it's it's always this kind of

fantasy of like um these

civil society type of like professional

people

who feel like

they're going to be overrun by these

swaths of vulgar masses

i feel like that's what they associate

russia with which we didn't stream

um dissing like wash and [ __ ]

reacting to one of his videos

in one of his videos he was like