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what's up everybody how you guys doing today

let's see we got in the chat today

see we've got going on

we got

the guy who's got

nin english characters in his name i can't pronounce it

with suid no more libs

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what's up quindy what's up neat

what's up

is that all we got today was's up bruno how you doing

hore you guys doing first things first

what of jesse miller was some jonathan brought jonathan bronson hore you guys doing

first things first guys i want to make some quick announcements

i want to make some quick announcements

i want to make some quick announcements

so okay this week i think is going to be kind of busy for me so i wanted to do this stream today

just so i give you guys some filler in between you know because i don't know tomorrow and wednesday

it's not guaranteed i'm going to stream

on either of those days so i might just skip those two days

tuesday and wednesday

thursday ass got something planned at five p m i don't know if it's es t r i'll get more info and let you guys know what's going on

but we're probably going to have someone on for an interview on thursday but he's going to be leading that interview

so any music recommendations no not of anything right now

so yeah i got to write some paper bullshit you know

so i got to focus on that so i

yeah

another thing

and i want to ask you guys about this i was on twitter

the other day

and i got a d m

wo robert

i got a d m by a guy named

bunker chan

and they wanted me to he wanted me to check out their website

what do you guys think about that

ya

they said sometime on stream i should check out the their website bunker chan

whichy'all think of that h

is a delaying chat you know

bunker chan dot net yeah you wanted me to check it out

guy on twitter

no

bunker chan is alright on no

tk bunkers yuckie

dot org is better all right

why not it's n bull trash but we're called nozles to rt

so you trying to get triggered by lefty pool again

that's something i want to talk about i want to talk to you guys about that

i'm getting mixed responses in the chat

we're probably going to check it out sometime not right now

but

i'm noticing something guys that i was thinking about the other day

every time i go on that left he pull thread

i

here's something that's worrying me actually

i keep seeing arguments

that i've addressed before for like three hours you know i'll spend like

ok it's an exaggeration i'll spend like

twenty minutes

addressing an our some argument right

whether it's about that we live in socialism thing

and people think they're so smart and they're trying to and i've already addressed it before because they're not that smart they're not that original chances are someone else already fucking raise the objection because

people hate him for red

so they're going to try to use

every single possible

argument against us

and it's like people don't realize hey someone's argued this before and i already blew them the fuck out

but here's my issue guys that

on that left bull thread i'll see people defending us

but it's almost like they have amnesia too because it's like wait but i directly

address this in fin a six hour stream and we've had ten streams of why this is our ten stream

and it's like

at one point does it just get old you know

because i've addressed it no one's addressed my arguments no one's addressed any of my arguments

they're just repeating arguments

that i've already addressed

and they're not actually responding to what i'm saying

but even if they were to respond to what i'm saying it's sjuch a pussy move

because

you should come and chat or come on stream and not try to respond to a video or a stream it's fucking dumb

you know like what kind of pussy response to was

in a fucking imageboard thread when we're putting our faces out there and it's in a streaming video form and when we're inviting you to come on stream to use your own voice or at least come in our chat

and be respectful obviously

left of left he pulled that org as a split from bunker chan

after some odd drama yeah but you know i don't have anything to do with that drama you know i don't care about any drama you know like guys let's just wake up to some fact

like who gives a fuck about this drama man i feel like people on the internet make

up problems

because they don't have any real problems

i want infrared to introduce you guys to real problems so you can actually argue about real problems

because a lot of this shit just sounds made up to me you know

like yeah mod drama what who gives a fuck about that dude like it's just made up drama because people are bored and they don' they don't know how to deal with the real problems you know

that that being that we're facing in the world right now

what can you expect from a chan yeah also

c p s lt of pt time has the stream of seven hours yeah i know dude it's really hard to watch it all

i know robert but

why are these people making stupid arguments as though we haven't addressed it before at least give us the benefit of the doubt

that if we've probably addressed it before so why do we have to keep doing it

i've addressed so many fucking different arguments because you're reading old posts

okay but

how do i read the new show me only then show me the new post then you know

i want to see a new argument i haven't seen one new argument against infrared show me one new argument

ayes i saw neon in the comets of adjacent video saying he should debate you

that'd be a good debate i think i think i would be respectful to jason

i would be definitely respectful todjacon i wouldn't be

um yah

i think it's really has to do with the format hass you to remember things if you write onwn the blok pss for example

i don't think so jessee i feel like

that'll just make it worse you know

that'll just make it worse

hows are you palestinian no i'm lebanese background

um take collins yeah we do take collins

skip the text debate get right into the chat debates yeat

yeah realz a lot of people who pose that threat have almost no idea who u s are that's where the same critiques get brought up over and over again

i know but need here's the other thing

is that even our dedicated fans it seems like or dedicated

people who like us

they they'll respond they'll mak they too have amnesia it's like

i'll see them respond in this like

but why didn't you just why didn't you just bring up the fact that i already

address this in a very specific way like

literally the same argument i addressed it

and it's almost like everyone's forgetting you know it's everyone's forgetting

that i've already addressed it

should i go over that threat again that left you pull threat i feel

i kind of want to you know i kind of feel like we should keep doing this

soil people understand you know

because it's like here's my issue guys

i don't really care what the haters think the haters have their mind made up i don't care what they think

but

um

i feel like when you guys see these arguments and shit

it almost makes an impression on you and then in stream you'll ask me a question

that i have already addressed before

and the only reason you asked it is because they provoked

like they made you think that we're that stupid that we didn't

yes you should because strikes are direct action

what's the con oh here's that sage mk ultra oca sage the fucking idiot

you dumb bitch sage

you're a fucking idiot sage you stupid punk you little pussy you better not hope i don't go open that thread i skimmed through the thread before stream not going to lie to you guys and i'm not i saw nothing but sage posts in that thread

i didn't read any of em cause i want to save for stream but i'm seeing sage talk so much shit i must want to make him the main villain of this falking show i'm so sick of him

so fucking sick of sage strikes our direct action you bit bitches canon oh you want to call me a bitch sage come on stream and call me a bit you don't fuck

what is the stuff about strikes being direct action dumb ass

define direct action you harry arab

here we go this is a leftist by the way is a marxist leninist guys

sage right you the gulag guy the edgy gulag guy you dumb pussy you little bitch i expose you bitch as for what you are you stupid fuck i already told you strikes aren't direct action you fucking idiot and i use india as the example of why that fucking is because direct autism right direct autism means as an individual i'm going to try and replicate action that is at a social scale directly within my individal

al volition so no strikes are not fucking direct action because strikes and social phenomena do not begin with the individual substance door not the sum total of individuals deciding they want to do something something more fundamental at a social level and at a higher scale such as institutions is the reason and if that's not the definition of indirect i don't know what the fuck is or you have a reputation pussy what refuking reputation do you have b

what's your fuck and reputation sage what's your fuck and reputation that you got to come brag on on the fucking internet about it what's your what would so big about your reputation that you got to come in my chat and brag about it cle you don't have a fuck and reputation otherwise you would be on the fucking innet bragging about it you go focus on that you pussy

sag is asking for it i was being nice to last stream i was being nice to you took it for weakness now you fuck and poke the bear sage you poked the fuck and bear bitch

you poked the gorilla you poked the king kong bitd

now you come it's coming for you say you asking for it you want to be slapped around a little bit you like a fucking massochist

exactly behind every arrogant anglle there's a whiny racist

exactly no more thread please

yes sage come on live and fucking argue with me about it you pussy they are blocking roads in india so fucking what if they're blocking roads do you think the idea of civil unrest is foreign to me you stupid fuck that's not the point the point is is not the result of a volunteeristic individual initiative and that's what fucking direct action means at least in america that's what a fucking means guys let's just go directly do it just

i have an idea in my head and i want to just go directly do it but that's not what fucking happens people want to go do things directly without having any mediation with the people's common sense ok that's why direct action is direct fuk and autism because you need an indirect detour between the idea you have in your head and the millions and millions of people who need to participate in it if that's not indirect i don't know what the fuck is you can't just directly

apply your individual will at the scale of millions of fucking people it's not how the fuk in real world works you fucking more mentioning blocking roads like that means anything i mention the example of blocking roads when a bunch of ten anty social retards come on the fucking streets and block it coming out of nowhere without any relationship to the popular senseor what's going on on a deeper social level so yeah blocking roads with ten people and calling a direct action

which is what it fucking means in america is fucking direct autism that's what i fuck and met you dumb conunt

you stupid fuck

who cares no it isn't you fucking pussy but i'm area but you can't just make up the meaning of direct action that's what people mean by direct actionly mean this is go direct directly do it guys but before you have the idea to directly do something which is what's direct about it you have to mediate it in some kind of way that is indirect you can't just begin from a to b and just fucking do it directly it's not how it works in the fucking real world that's why

it's not direct action

you organize people for direct action how do you organize people through communication how do you get to that fucking level of communication that level of abstraction that's necessary to address thousands of people you're a fucking idiot you're calling me an idealist he is an anglo fucking idiot who doesn't understand the information age you're an anglo who thinks the only real things are individual substances that's why you sell fucking newspapers on the side of the street individually on

as direct corporal level and don't fucking understand if you just get on the fucky internet effectively you can reach millions of fucking people

you're such a fucking idiot you call that idealism well i guess idealism is what is actually real now and what you're talking about is selling fuck a newspapers on the road individually you don't fuck you think everything outside of individualism is idealism you st because you think individuals are only material materially real because you're an anglo metaphysical substantialist anglos only think individuals are real to them society is an incorporeal abstraction

that's why hagel said england never had a state england didn't have a state according to hagel because the english thought everyone was just an adam everyone was an individual substance because empirically speaking you can only pin down individuals empirically you can't pin down society or the social reality empirically we can't measure it it's incorporal in that sense

but you you call that materialism when you're just a fucking idiot

you have a fucking peanut brain biggest fucking dumb as to come in my chat you stupid fuck

saying this guy oben means i don't sell papers i work for a trade ion good congratulations you do charity you do fucking charity to come on and brag about on the fucking internet if your trade union work was so effective sage why you w on the fucking internet in vain trying to convince everybody to agree with you when you wouldn't you get somewhere for example infrared is getting somewhere i'm not coming on yelling in vain every time i'm doing this i'm getting more viewers more likes more subscribers and more

engagement so it's effective to me we infraread we put out videos we considered the last video the sosal but we kind of considered it a failure i love the video but it didn't get the amount of viusws we expected it to so we shifted gears and we're doing this now ok so we adapt in change weill just yell at people on the fucking internet and think i'm better than everyone else be the we're going to trade union well clear it's not a fucking effective way of doing anything because it hasn't fall

gott youkew and you were anywhere besides coming in my chat trying to fuck and talk down to me you stupid pussy

actual workers rely on me so why are you bragging about it on the fucking internet because clearly it's not an effective form of action clearly you want validation from others and if you need validation from others about what you're doing in real life clearly it's not fucking enough for you that's why you're on the fucking internet in my chat right now tell me i'm wrong guys tell me i'm fucking wrong about this

go ahead i've encountered so many of these fucking more these marxist who always brak oh i'm a working class poor person i'm so poor and i and i and i work in a trade un i'm actually but that's protestant suffering i don't care i told you i'm a mediterranean i'm mediterranean i don't care about this type of i don't i don't respect

pain and suffering that doesn't get you anywhere i'm not going to respect you savees for working in a fuck and trade union if it's not going to actually get anywhere i don't i don't respect it i don't suck my dick about it i don't fuck and respect it i don't

youre on the fucking internet bragging about this shit

i don't give a fuck about you bitch

infrared is better than trade unions and no his difference his difference sage

real trade unions don't come in my chat and try to argue with me

that's why because they actually are doing real shit that's how you can tell that there's something real going on there but you're in my fucking chat clely it's not working out for you cleoly you're not about any kind of real life real trade union you're all talk you're all talk you're you're like a fucking keyboard warrior talking about how tough you are talking about how much you're about that life then why you on the fucking keyboard just go about that life and leave me the fuck alone i know when infraret is a fucking you tube channel i know

we're just dealing with the air waves of communication we're dealing with this ideological warfare and shit i know we're dealing with that i know we're fucking dealing with that i've never pretended to be anything otherwise but here you are on my fucking chat pretending to be something you're not on the fucking internet you on our fucking airwaves you're using infrareds

idealist airwave internet abstractions terminally online whate of the folk you want to call it you're on that you're in the same boat as us right now it's just that you're inferior and to make up for your inferiority you're bragging about how you how good you are in the real fuck in life then go back to your real fuck in life over here in this little battlefield of the internet you lose infrared dominates you how does it feel to be fucking dominated sech tell me how feels

to be dominated you pussy

accuse me of selling papers but you are a streamer yeah but guess what guess what i'm a streamer and i'm reaching more people than you i'm provoking more thoughts and people than you ever would by selling your fucking newspapers you fucking idiot the problem with selling newspapers isn't that communication doesn't matter it's that it's an ineffective form of communication it's an ineffective way of communicating with anyone moreover it's fucking stupid how you

you can directly access the fok

the fucking workers as a corporeal substance when everything is mediated now there's no fucking such thing that's why you're probably one of those people who is like i'm actually personally the proletariat i'm personally a worker no you're fucking not the worker is never a corporeal individual substance the worker is a class you can never directly be that individually

you fuck a anglo idiot only anglos think individuals can be a substitute for the reality of social reality stalin unions don't work just lives stream in one hundred twenty

what they didn't have live streaming in nineteen twenty you fuck and dumb shit and if they did they'd probably be

listen

listen we're billions of steps behind the bullsix right now i know that but i'm saying all of you are all of you are include especially you sage who's not doing anything on the internet and you're just coming on the interet to brag about bluffing bullshit especially you sage especially you you your million steps behind the bullsix i know we are but we're step ahead of you at least at least all i'm trying to fucking do

is have people rethink what they all their dogmas and bullshit in their fucking head about marxism and by the way i don't even want to go down this theory path you guys the chat you wanted me to if you watch my first stream which isn't actually available so forget that you can't watch it but if you remember our very first stdream what do we want to do we want to talk about simple things in actual reality but then everyone started coming on ask us to elaborate about our theory stuff now we're on the

theory rabbit hole that's why we're fucking doing it we're dealing with intelligence we're dealing with intellectuals now

and that's fine this is a hurdle we're going to overcome one day but right now

we're in the stage of the intellectual stuff

cause that's what the demand

that's the chad's demand the chad wanted that the chad wanted all the intellectual stuff

but ch i wanted all the theoryes stuff

they wanted us to elaborate on this stuff that we could take for granted with ease we prefer to just do these concrete analysis and just

go right into the reality of things but there's a lot of hurdles we have to get over because people are bogged down in these theoretical dogmas that don't allow them to just have a clear and sober relation to actual reality

ha ha ha you're a pussy

sage sage

i just dominated you one in the chat of sages is dominated one of the chat if he was dominated

one of the chat of sages was dominated

when of the chat of sages just mentally dominated

streaming is direct action no it's better than direct autism

i never said his direct actions fuck direct autism is nothing

all talk and no action all barking no bite you fuking your string of words in my fucking chat

you're all all tp barking no bite who the fuck are you sage

who the folk are you

well sage according to chat that's not the case according to the third party you just got mentally dominated all i'm seeing is ones in the chat

are we going to see you too

maybe at least one two guys be nice to him

be nice to him yeah look at him one of this what a fucky idiot his sage

you're literally a fucking pussy

you're the biggest pussye i've ever fucking encountered

the biggest push you have ever encountered so far saye

i you're the new fucking punching bag sage you're a you tube streamer and so what

so what all of you bluffers who are doing direct action you're downstream from people like oh vosh mentally defines the range of what you consider possible whether you want to admit it or not

he does

you're all downstream from him

because you haven't settled this idiological bullshit and i want nothing more than to settle this idiological bullshit so we can just get to work but we can't do that right now because people are bogged down by prejudices that have retarded them retarded their ability to do fucking anything for decades sage whatich you're saying sage what you're saying sage has been done for decades and decades and decades you tts newspaper selling

union mongering fulking people have been doing the same fuking thing over and over and over and over again

play the game farqry three do you want to know the definition of insanity do you want to know the definition of insanity it's doing the same falking thing over and over and over again and pretending it's going to make a difference but sage doesn't actually care about making a fualking difference what sage cares about is his little circus of

what sage cares about is the pleasure in the pain

of his failure he loves the pain of failing because it makes him feel virtuous it makes him feel superior than the society that he hates oh so much because he's a fucking loser by the way sage loves the feeling of smug superiority that comes with his failure he fails over and over again and the more he fails the more he feels good about himself

the more he feels good about himself yesg sage people have been doing what would what i'm doing but guess what

guess what sage

guess what sage this this actually gets somewhere

this actually gets somewhere

but

but how do you define getting anywhere right the whole political history of the past foking ten

ten years

was downstream from the internet and i can prove that in in the united states it was downstream from the inf war i could prove it was downstream from the inf war alexandrio costio cortez was downstream from the inf war but according to you there's no political history nothing has happed nothing has happened for a hundred years right

nothing's happened for one hundred years

send him a d m and get on zoo yeah get on zoom sage i want to i want to hear your voice get on fuck and zoom

been done for a long time

is what you're doing yeah but there's things going on in this fear is the thing vosh is an audience of two hundred fifty thousand subscribers

and that's clearly making an impression on them it's affecting how they see the world it's affecting how they see the world it's affecting how they relate to the world it's affecting how they make sense of the world so yes things are going on in this way your newspapers meanwhile aren't and by the way cockcer fucking you keep talking about organizing strikesing shit the first thing you have to focus on when it comes to that shit is communication

you can just talking to it in your own workplace because that's not nearly at the level of a scale necessary to reach the millions thatre actually going to result in anything so the internet is only fucking shot you fuking on your only one body as pitch come in my fucking chat talking all this shit doesn't even know how to fuck and hold his owe say you just got fucking dominated and you still talking shit

name one thing that you have accomplished i'm not the one pretending to be the revolutionary like you are i am a fucking idiot guy on youtube i've never said i was anything more than a fucking guy on you tube

but you the one here bragging that oh i'mt some really all this pretentious bullshit blow it out your falking ass you fucking piece of shit you're so full of fulking shit sage you're so fucking full of shit yeah go organize in your workplace oh the why rt sigal it on the fucking internet because you n alidation because you know that on' a political level it's not enough maybe a good person s maybe personally help people's lives i'll give you perhaps

for that but i think you're disingenuous because if you're about helping people's lives on this personal level you want to be on the focking internet bragging about it it sounds like you just want validation and bragging rights itsly fucking reason you're doing it you little beitch and by the way being a good person

personally is not the same thing as being effective politically dm as to be effective politically means you're going to do things or you going to participate things at a scale of millions of fucking people which you're not fucking doing sage you're not fucking doing that i'm sorry being a good person and organizing your workplace is not the fucking same thing as being effective politically or being effective at this revolutionary level like call you fucking saying it just

isn't it might be a good thing to do personally and this personal morality level and i respected at that level but let's not pretend it's going to initiate the big revolutionary change or it's ever even going to be a step in that direction because it's not it's just make you feel good and that's fine but it's all fucking is dez

i'm not going to ban sage i'm not going to ban sage i want him to realize he is dominated mentally sg sage youun't understand what's going on sage

you're going to submit you're going to submit sage i'm not banning you

you're going to submit

i do it keep doing what you want

keep doing what you want and i don't do recharded streams but you do in the retarded streams chat here's my wager sage i am going to mentally dominate you right now because you have two options stay in my stream and prove you don't have a life you don't have a life and you are in my boat and you're no better than me because all you're doing is staying in my fucking stream which is also a admission of surrender if you surrender if

you stay you surrender you have two options b to the same pat sage i win i don't have to ban you i'm not going to this guy thinks streaming is more important than unions this guy sage thinks bragging about unions on a stream is more important than doing a fucking stream about more important subject matters than bluffing and bragging how about that dum as

what a rough start we're on hah

what a rough i'm a leave in ten ok i accept your surrender i surrender i accept your surrender

i accept your surrender

i accept your surrender you surrendered

every word you speak about me is winning

sage

say there's only sixty people here so yeah you want to act like a dumb ass you're going to get my attention

you're going to get my attention but i'm also going to make you feel like shit at the end of it

which you do feel like shit

you do feel like shit

you do feel like shit don't you

i love it

yeah you get the attention you want i'm giving you the attention you want sage

i am giving you the attention you want because you're such a bad ass you union organizer and you're such a revolutionary sage you're such as bad ass revolutionary that you have to come on the internet and get attention from has and that's your quick fix that's why you're a fucking loser in life and you accomplish nothing in life you're not getting anywhere in life because you have to go online and seek validation by bragging about the supposedly heroic and incredible things you're doing in real life you fucking pussy

more words oh sage sage more words what you fucking want yes it's a yes it's fucking words ut me to fuck and put my hand through the screen and slap you across your bitch face

talking idiot

hows is living rent free in his head i know dude

i was

i was fucking squirlling that thread on lefty pole and literally every other post was sage talking some shit that i was

too triggered and exhausted to read because i knew if i was going to read it it was going to trigger me it was going to trigger me

fucking pussy he is a masochist

he is a fuck and massocist

has you have a job do it's sort of your fucking business what what what is meaningfully relevant about that fact tell what's relevant about whether i have a job or not is that is that relevant why bging right more broffing on the fucking internet tell me ok you explain to me what's relevant about that by no state bitch state state have you ever once had a job even if i never did in my wole life i've never had one job tell me how it's relevant

to me how it's relevant

even if it was true prove to its revt no need don't delet his messages let him stay let him stay

let him stay

let him stay

let him stay neat neat even if you were right even if you were right and i was the prince of saudi arabia and i was the son of a saudi oil sheykh

what relevance does that have tell me what relevance it has

because you're an individualist you think you can know everything at the individual substantial level you can't

fuck an idiot

were did marxs and angles work in factories did lennin work in a factory

okay whatever the japanese guy's name is i can't pronounce your name

i can't remember reading her comment now

actors use their power and how is their power mediated is it directly mediate or is there indirectly mediated no it's never direct but it's never direct is the problem okay that even when you have a goal and you want to fulfil that goal the outcome is never the direct fulfilment of that goal there's always indirect consequences which are the real result

sounds like you don't have any fucking experience if you don't know that fucking fact it's always indirect it's never direct it's never fucking direct

ok ok yh we don't want any bannable words

we wn't any banll you we'll follow you tube's rules

lenon worked as a of course he did of course he did because at that time one hundred years ago obviously lenin organized workers in the way that you had to organize rope workers marx yeah because newspapers were the primary means of communication the problem is that we have these anglos who are repeating what they did back then in the technology limits they had back then today and the world is refusing them and they're taking it as a point of pride

oh i'm so much better than everyone else i'm so much better than everyone else that everyone's rejecting me and everything is a failure but it's just proof of my virtue it's just prove how virtuous i am you fucking celebrate in venerate failure because you're a western christian pathological idiot i'm sorry i want to dish christianity but guys this is a problem this worship of suffering and pain and failure come on

i don't i don't i smell bullshit you know what i'm saying i smell bullshit from a mile away

strikes aren't direct action they're not

they're not

they're not direct action i explain why they're not fucking direct action

they're not direct action

there's nothing direct about them

there's nothing direct about an effective strike

there's nothing direct about it but let me trigger you even more let me trigger you even more right

want me to trigger you even more strikes are not even the primary mode

of resistance in this day and age they're not they're not any type of large scale disruption that puts everything to a halt ok is an immediate political crisis in the twentieth century a strike that even was at the scale of thousands and thousands was an economic

act

he keeps the japanese guy keeps repeating the same shit now he wants me to slap him round like a little bitch keep repeating the same dumb shit you fucking idiot i just addressed your paragraph but keep spamming the fucking same paragraph over and over a fuck again let me tell you guy something about strikes strikes to day is a form of political crisis when a strike gets to a scale that it's meaningful it's a political crisis when a strike is confined to a workplace

guess what the workers are laid off and new workers come when they ship the jobs overseas that's how fucking works today stop worhipping fuking strikes when strikes are not a fm of economic resistance anymore because they can't just be economic anymore they're also immediately political that's the difference between the twenty first century and the nineteenth century stop worshipping strikes stop fok triggering me and riley

me up

the beginning of the fuck and chat

stop fucking worshipping strikes it's so fucking stupid

fir wen to strike explodes it becomes a political crisis in the in the nineteenth century a strike could become big within a workplace in a factory and it's not or even a town and you could get an economic result for example we want higher wages so we're going to strike that's how they used to do it but today in the communications age strikes become so viral when they're actually effective when they're actually effective in meaningful that they stop the

a fucking country and it just doesn't become a it doesn't become just a little local thing it becomes regional or even becomes national and it becomes political stop fucking worshipping strikes why am i even hearing about strikes so much you guys actually fucking think strikes are going to initiate the revolution you actually think all youes gomt workers to strike

you need to do it at a scale that's national or else guess what else is at a scale that's international and global companies themselves companies will lay off the workers or they'll ship the jobs overseas it's the easiest fucking thing to do

it's not like housing a fucking twentieth century when the factory is directly tied to the community

very there's very few instances of that anymre

yes the same i don't know i don't know whatich kind of fucking sage is but that pussy just got mentally dominated he's done

he left

he's done

yourd covert come from i don't know

i don't know

yeah yeah i am lebanese

now say what is he saying should i go check what he's saying

should i go check what he sank so would ruin his safe space

i a lot of bit shash shit talkers think they have a little safe space on leftypole

then they call i come blow the fuck out of them and all they do is start bitching i hate infrared i despise them yet becaus you got your as blown the fuck out because i clicked on your website and i address directly what you said and now you feel stupid for saying it everyone who talks shit about us on lefty pool everyone who says we're stupid on lefty pool everyone who tries to debate us on that website left you pool they all come out the other end they're ass blown the fuck out and then they complain about how they don't like

me personally because when it comes to theory they got their as blown the fuck out

strikes can work but you need a really strong union presence believe he is a good example but on the yeah yeah i'm not saying strikes mean nothing i'm just saying they're so political now

to the bottom of the threat should i go check it out

everyone is laughing at you why do i keep getting this shit everyone hates me everyone is laughing at me guys you think if i was doing this in vain i'd keep doing it i'm only doing it because our supporters are growing every fucking stream and our subscribers are growing every fucking stream and the chat is overwhelmingly supportive of infrared the chat is overwhelmingly supportive of us so what am i not seeing let me ask you guys a question

i'm going to ask you guys a question

is it actually

who on left you pool likes us is it the majority or is it a minority should i stop going on it

like do people on that website actually like us or what because i get i will always hearing two different things when i go on that fucking website all i see is people talking shit about us but then when i turn the stream on no one who's talking shit is to be found

tell me what's going on

i don't know what's f i didn't find left people you guys showed me left people i don't know nothing about that website

some mods like you

i don't know what's going on honestly i'm hearing two different things

according to the poll on lefty poll

infrad is still about sixty five percent based

so what's all this bullshit

whaty did

why does it seem like the haters dominate

seems like the haters dominate that website honestly

some hate you i know some hate us why trust me i know some hate me

some do but it seems most of the posters are haters it does seem like that doesn't it

i don't know what to think any more

you ne stop being so agro bro no i'm not going to stop being so agro because i know infrareds coming from a new place so we've got to beat this into people we have to beat this into the haters so they know we're not bluffing

every theoretical objection they have to us i blow them the fuck out every time i'm confronted with it because we've been thinking about this for many many years guys i've beaten you to it i've been doing this for many many fucking years you don't think we've thought about all the things you're thinking about we have

we have and the minute you give us the benefit of the doubt is the minute you're going to stop getting steam rolled every fuking stream the minute you give us the benefit of the doubt is the minute you're going to stop being steam rolled every stream and look falking stupid for raising shit that i can respond to in two seconds

they don't have anything to do lod

supporters of the silent majority

silent majority

ah

you are an antagonizing presence the majority thinks you're based the haters are of course the most vocal that's a good thing hate watchers are still watchers i know

because larpers like to be keyboards so guys should i should i check the threat or not should i check the threat because i'm sure there's a boat load i check i squirlled through that threat it sounded like there was a bunch of people who wanted to take shots at us

it's just a few nerds who are traumatized by your presence to the point that they shit on you over and over your listeners don't really care to respond to the bait when you're offline

ok

spamming same

and rading on

yeah i feel like it is the same people i feel like it's like one to five

because sometimes when i see posse i feel like this is the same guy this is the same guy so i do feel like it's the same fucking guy a lot of the times

take a look at the thread ok

some people want it some people don't so going to g as a whole

straw pool

yes

no

okay i'm goinga create a pool

and this the majority will win

but if it's so close

i don't know

what is antagonizing for them is that they're living in their dogmas

and seeing beyond that dogma makes them think they know about marx

it called into question

dude

whe do you think infrared came from we know all this stuff

it's like

we've been at this for so many years

and it's like

we we know all this we know all we know what they think in their head before they say it you know

it's just the problem is that i feel like a lot of people aren't remembering the things we're saying when we're trying to clarify all these points

that orger is going to swarm the pole

them talking while you will be bring people to you

yeah but the way they talk about us does they they depict us as dumb asses and they put shit on our fucking mouth and make up so many things they literally make up so much fucking shit it pisses me off how much shit they make

there's so many fucking bullshooters and shit talkers on that website and what the only thing that gets to me is the fact that even our supporters seem like they forget

when i keep blowing them the fuck out they just forget

it's like i already addressed this

and no one said anything when i addressed it

you know

you known't i'll fix the yeddy sometime

i don't know

the majority wants me to go on seventeen yes

ten no

so

sounds like they want me to go on

ok i'm going to try to do this fast ok i'm going to try to do this fast we're going to go on

we're going to go on

okay

time to go on

here's what i want to say

i don't want to keep em to do this

okay

so this is what we're going to do next time

next time

instead of scoring through the whole thing

i want you guys

to whenever you see an argument

hating on us i want you to flag that

and save it

and just say hey can you respond to this i want you to respond to this

i feel like this is actually maybe they're raising some kind of point

and i want to see what you have to say and then we'll just respond to all of those so guys we're i'm going to create something on twitter maybe i'll post it a compilation for you guys to post

and we'll just respond to the arguments you actually think are

need to be responded to

okay

so i'm going to go through this very briefly

i'm because i don't want to keep doing this shit over and over again all the time

okay

clash of civilization

well i thought this isn't responding to me

has

is terminally online

you're a fucking bluffer you're bluffing

you're online to talk about people terminally online

but what do you have to show for it offline

because i haven't heard or seen of you do anything offline

i'm terminally online everyone's terminally online especially in the covert era

and you know what guys and all the jobs i have had

and all the jobs i have had at least when it comes to people my age everyone's attention is online no one actually none of their minds are not actually and the workplace in the job itself

they're always on their phones

right and they're focusing on shit that's online and that's where their actual heart and soul is

is on the fo itts what's going on in the fucking this common sphere of communication everyone seems to everyone shares i'm not saying the internet's the only thing that exists but it's definitely a dialectic that marksist

are way behind on and don't understand

they don't understand the information age they don't understand the communications age

they were like in thirds living in the seventeenth century not even the nineteenth marx was ahead of them

but they're living in the seventeenth century

in atomic anglo saxon metaphysics

anglos don't get the internet why do you think guys let me tell you something why do you think black mirror exists why do you think adam curtis documentaries exist because anglos are so shocked by this new internet age

in this new digital age that they don't know how to reconcile it with their anglo senses they don't know how to make sense of it

adam curtis is like

o my god

it's the end of the world

you know i guess black mirror is the same type of shit

anglos do not understand the information age but engles and marx would be so enthusiastic about it engles and marx

made a fucking point to always rip on anglo saxon dogmatic metaphysics engle's preferred spectrliity over substantiality

that's why angles was so excited about electricity and all that kind of shit that was going on in physics

and he thought it was a big blow to the particle newtonian physics

of the nineteenth century

have you looked into the why left communism a superitor the marxs led in the thread

maybe i'll do it later

they will do later but i want to check oup bunker chan to

he unironically said that live streaming is more

is more real and important than direct action a thousand times it is it a thousand times it is you're going to reach more people live streaming than you could even dream of with your physical body and your little

your little community

i promise you that much but even then even if you could reach more people let me tell you something the way we relate to reality is mediated now by the internet so personally confronting people with your body and just looking at them

and smiling you know you're going to be a you're going to be an end you're going to be an end

you know you think you're going to be more you think you're going to have a more impactful presence

then the fucking people on tik tok and shit you're not you're an aunt you're nothing you're nobody

didn't the anglo saxon invent the computer

what the american did

the american did

right

wasn't invented in britain or maybe the computer of the computer like the first one i don't folkon know

but it's a very american thing

you know

weyeare

but even if they invented the computer they didn't invent the internet and that's what i'm talking about is the internet

that was an american thing

americans get the internet

it's just that brits don't

and americans are starting to look to the brits too now

because americans are losing their empire and they have the same melancholic

salty bitch

mentality

he thinks everything is downstream from social media

no i don't think everything is down from social media you fuck and more on

i didn't say that either i said

when it comes to this sphere of idiology and ideas in communication and messaging that is downstream from social media that's what i'm talking about and guess how much of that is a how much of politics is information how much of politics is communication how much of politics is idiology and all this other kind of stuff well it's a big chunk it's a big fucking chunk

i didn't say everything was downstream from social media yes the internet is itself

it's not downstream but it's premised by material matrices that are political for example china's great firewall and the american great firewall which is hidden

it's infrastructure and stuff i'm not denying that

i'm not saying the internet is the only thing that's real

so if you took peter coffin i don't know the fuck that is

but i do know about the attention economy and organize your entire conception of political or no my entire conception of political economy

you have no fucking familiar familiarity with so give me the fucking benefit of the doubt and just say i don't know what hisn't conception of political economy is becuse it has not been fully laid out in writing or in streaming i haven't fucking told you everything so don't just the fucking assume what it is just say you don't know just say you don't know just say you don't fucking know

have you tried going there my man going where

does has ontical believe that social media is not rigged

even if it is fuckin rigg dude you can't say it's all rigged you can't say oh if if it were not for the cia

then everyone would buy my trotskys newspaper

if it were not for the cia guise the trotskyists would be the most

influential internet personalities we wouldn't have jake paul

we'd have a

oh

there we'd have a

for i can even name a trousskies

if it were not for the cia we wouldn't have jake paul the fourth international the fourth international would reign

it's what this fucking idiant wants us to believe

like you can tell when it's rigged obviously it's rigged like you tube we'll censure our

our shadow bannels and ship

yeah we know that but guess what it's not stopping us from growing

you know it's not all rigged

even when you assume guess

give the baseline of it being rigged they cannot control it to the to such an great extent that literally every expression

of of

communication given by these millions of people on the internet is rick

you assume a baseline of what the government is controlling

and then even when you presuppose that there is some kind of spontaneous organic thing that's going on

m

he wanted to debate has

gentle gingjit was very smart and articulate and i wish all of i wish the people on lefty pool were a fraction as folking smart as gentle gingj

just one tenth is smart and i want to be dealing with this dumb shit all the time

ho the folkus it even possible to it i know that you're going so fast

we get all these haters

and it's like the haters met trying to make me feel like

we're not but we are growing so fast

virtually nobody respects psychoanalysis though

who cares

it's like proving your angles only by

right handed

it noted

just by saying i'm not saying

we this isn't about me

but it's true angos don't like continental philosophy or psychoanalysis the problem is that anglos reduce psychoanalysis

to the therapeutic practice

ok

and they said the whole thing is bullshit

that's the problem they say the whole thing is bullshit i don't agree with psychos a therapeutic practice but anglers are unique in dismissing the whole thing as bullshit and favoring cognitive autism instead

which is

a big failure big time fork and failure

there's nothing particularly asian lenist about schilling for psychoanalysis

yeah true but guess what

when people from the east have to confront psychoanalysis

they usually don't

just give the generic anglo response

but you're right it's not really popular there that's that's fine

but it's how you're responding to it it's the unique anglo way of dismissing whole currents of thought as completely meaningless

even though there is consistent communication and coherent strains of thought developing it's like how is it all meaningless when there is our actually intelligible history of it going on how is it meaningless when there's a dialectic of communication and responses and

somehow every one can understand each other except you

you can't participate in this discourse so everything they're saying is meaningless you arrogant fuck

freud wasn't a marxist

yeah neither was heideger but guess what they're all up the same alley they're all dealing with pretty much the same thing

they just didn't know

freud worstring marxist tend to be student winkers in western europe

i'll grant you that but this is true for most marxists in general

lenin had only had a brief dismissive remark about for it in life you don't blame him because what is it what about it is relevant to lenin

in his situation i don't blame him for that

but you westerners are the ones who need freud

you westerners are the ones who need freud you need freud just to be able to get out of the anglo box and escape it you need freud and ideger i'm not saying eastern people need freud

why would they need him

they have they have something to show for the fact they don't need him

you westerners need forreud and you need higeger

you're the ones who need it

you're the ones who need it

anyone espousing this posion is effectively anti communist

guys

he he looked at the questionnaire

that i wasn't even thinking about and he called me an anti communist

as though i was espousing a position what is this if not pique anglo he's saying i was doing something spontaneously and casually without even thinking and making it seem like i'm espousing a definite position sck my falking dick you fualking idiot

and what about that can you not get from w would can stein com my sreman of laang what you can't get from fucking witkenstein would can stein you engs call everyone autistic and retarded and skit so this was the craziest fucking person in the history of mankind was wouldkinstein

and you call us fucking crazy and you show for witgenstein

instead of sucking dead nazi did

ok but you're the fucking cocksucker

because you're you're always bringing up the fact

who gives a fuck about the political

a personal life of hyegal you dumb shit i we've already addressed this

oh he's a nazi therefore we have to submit to the libs

suck my dictude

fuck and by the way who created these nazis ho you englos did

what did i do reject race science who created race science you anglos who's the reasons the nazi were were how they were anglos the nazis were influenced by anglo brain rot

and hideg was trying to escape that in indirectly

tho everything bad about nazis is your fault anglos your fault

stop blaming heideger

w do to represent everything good about germany

ok i'm going to just

i'm going to keep this going

funny

wonder why haus hasn't gone full emalm because emems are fucking posers in the west at least

the only thing he seems to disagree with him is the whole settlers ready

because

if you think you're going to take up a gun and have a protracted people's war

in fucking america or europe you're a fucking idiot

that's why

which

and based

based

wonder why haz hasn't gone full m l m

because his with this ronyology is the same motional high of m lm while blaming anglos a group which apparently doesn't involve himself as a relative no it doesn't involve myself doesn't involve myself and guess what there's a lot of english people who don't who aren't i wouldn't call them anglos in the sense i'm trying to fucking say it you know what i fucking mean by anglo i mean someone who'se fucking mind is enslaved and immersed in seventeenth century metaphysics how about that you fucking idiot

how about that

you know what i mean when i say anglo

but you're bust being fucking dishonest you playing language games that's all fucking anglos do is they play language games try to put you in fucking boxes preemptively and take you in bad faith bad faith anglo bitch you're just a bad faith anglo bitch bad faith anglo fucking bitch

a group which apparently doesn't involve himself as a relative what does being well off have to do with it you fuck and moron stop trying to personalize it stop trying to personalize it you fking it you're trying to pin down the angd to some type of individual substance stop trying to fucking personalize everything something i say might be anglo something i'm putting out there might be anglo stop trying to target my

this ruleal self and say that's the essence of what anglo is n you fucking i never fucking said that i never fucking said that you're anglo if you're from a certain country and you're from a certain background i said if you speak and act and express yourself in a certain fucking way and you think in a certain fucking way you fkan idiot

come back and chat he's still talking about me know i wasn't talking we can talk about you too he came back with trade unionist why back in my chat i thought you have important revolutionary trade union work to do why you still my chat sage why you stoe my chat

chade what says why still my chat i thught you have important offline things to do

you haven't you have important revolutionary matters to attend to sage right

you' have important revolutionary matters to attend to as a as a trade unionist so why are you and my fuckinshat dickin around eh

my ears are bleeding my fuckin

my fuck and soul is bleeding

with anger

so triggered

sage was askin for it man

he was asking for the beat down

has works for the cia

dude can you just make a video about what anglo is and then you want has to deal with repeating yourself over and over to these people

would just drop a link to your video in the reply

i'd have to do a stream

that'll be like an hour or two hours

ever every everything guys

you guys want to i got we go i want you guy to understand something

infrared

started out making small videos and that started out but we wanted to just make small videos

and most people take us in good faith

most people take us in good faith because intuitively most people agree with the simple things we're putting out that we're making for a common audience and most people in their hearts intuitively they agree with it

but then the nerds come and gaslight everybody and superimpose a meaning upon what we're saying and distort and twist our words and make all these bad faith assumptions and then even the people who intuitively agreed with us start questioning us so this is why we're going to have to deal with this shit over and over again if i try to make it bite sized and i try to make it simple

right

they're going to take that for weakness

they're going to take that for weakness

so i have to beat this into them

i'm not going to stop i'm not going to stop

i'm going to keep fighting

i'm never going to surrender never

i know i've explained it multiple times ma'am

it's okay i'm going to keep fighting

i'm a fighter

i'm a fighter i'm going to keep fighting i'm not going to surrender

i'm not going to surrender to these fulking people i'll never surrender

never never going to surrender

ya

pick off the street

mm

and ask them what they think about marx

exactly

compared to be able to live stream for t to be somewhat well off compared to who said i'm not well off i said i'm relatively well off

so what

what does it have to do with anything hah

most marxists in history were well off

if you're listen you can't

you can't superimpose the meaning and essence of class on the individual level it doesn't fuck and work like that you individuali istic fucking idiot

you're metaphysically an individualist you cannot superimpose the meaning and essence of class and arrive at that at the fucking individual level you just fucking can't and you want to know what you're all well off on lefty pool cause you want to know what the barrier to entry for most workers to go on your fucking website is this fucking high so those of you who are personally not well off and are workers guess what you're the exception

not the rule

you don't represent the organic working class consciousness because if you did there'd be more workers

more workers than you who are getting into this shit but only people who do get into the shit the people who somehow have managed to get some measure of free time to study and learn it that's how it's always fucking been in history so i don't know why people are individualizing all this shit

all these new posters haven't listened to haz

person when i first started reading these posts about anglos without listening to haz

yeah ma was well off they're all well off dude they were all almost all of them were well off almost all of them

almost all of them

barely above the poverty line

here we go with the protestant christian worship of suffering i don't care blowt out your ass

i don't want to be in poverty most people don't want to be in poverty most people don't want to have to work all the time by the way so i'm grateful i don't have to fucking do that and most people don't want to have to fucking do that if you're bragging about being poor then the whole fucking meaning of what you're trying to say is bullshit if you're bragging about being poor why should i care about you you're not suffering then because you're bragging about it clearly you enjoy being in poverty cle you enjoy not being

all off because you're fucking bragging about it and using it to get browning points

you have a tie here we go last stdream i literally blew the fuck out of this argument but keep repeating it against

i already addressed the fucking idea that intelligible words

different words

is the same as the anglo box i blew that fucking criticism out of the fucking water go watch our previous video someone a link this guy timestamp him when i talked about the fact that just because reality is intelligible doesn't mean it's an anglo box with defines it by being a fucking anglo box is by preemptive conditioning the use of words by a premptitive solid rain in rock definition that exists in the past or substance or form of some

kind that's why it's a fucking box you dumb fuck stupid beach

talking more on

thinks he's so fucking smart

thinks he's so smug and smart is the biggest dumb ass fucking idiot i've ever heard of

fuckan idiot

is a relatively well off american the fact that has has obviously no real life problems

what the fuck do you know about me bitch you trying to make individual assumptions going off the fact that i am right now pretty right well off so what you know everything about my life now you know my little fuck in life story you know everything about me you fuck an idiot on the internet otherwise you wouldn't embrace such a metaphysical understanding of politics

you dipshit fucking idiot because i think because i think because this is the fucking anglo disease that i'm talking about about how they individualize everything if workers don't have the time to think deeply and use the thoughts because there is a division of labor between thought and work there is much marx talked about if workers don't have the time to do that kind of sh

it that means it's some kind of essential quality of workers it's some kind of essential quality you thinking about p you know simplistic dums fuking iot way you're fucking idiot and stop making assumptions about how fucking workers think about politics they just don't care enough or don't have the fucking time to because they're focused on supporting themselves and their family but guess what that doesn't mean they' more virtuous doesn't mean they're fucking

better it just means they actually have to do that if you do have the fucking time to think which you do because you're on the fucking website called lefty ple talking shit to me you don't have a fuking excuse for not thinking as deeply about it as i am if you did have a fucking excuse you wouldn't be on the fucking website responding to me in the first place you fucking m

fucking dibshit it was supposed to be about dialectics but every time everything has to be derailed cause these people on these fucking thread

cause they keep testing me man keep fucking testing me

and the worst part about suits like has and friends

when he will call you a reformist downwardly mo we never use the word reformist don't get it fucking wrong don't get it twisted you dumb shit and we only use this word this monarcher because you represent a class tendency not because of your individual fucking quality you fucking dumb ass for actually yes your conception is downwardly mobile petite bousgeois dumb ass shit if you think about politics in terms of charity you are have a petty bousguoir fucking mentality yes

proletarian consciousness when it comes to a political strategy and political vision is taking some a lot of thought to do that you think lenin you think lenin

in his proletarian approach the strategy was accessible immediately and spontaneously to every fucking worse worker personally and individually no because your metaphysics is individualistic you don't fucking understand there's a difference between class social class and individual

you don't fucking know there's difference and it's because you're individually a fucking loser and you hide behind the skirt of thinking you're part of some big class to to compensate for your individual shortcomings that's the fucking problem

you fucking idiot

you incompetent dumb bitch

when did i call anybody reformist

people in our fucking group work for the bernie campaign you fucking idiot but yes if you have an understanding of politics which means let's do thingsll that are good collectively you're fucking idiot transposing individual morality at the level of politics means you're sucker and your fucking idiot it's why bernie fulkon lost

sead of sniffing your own farts all day i'm only getting into

rabbit hole i never wanted to go down this funk and rabbit hole i nver wanted to go dow this funken theory shit i never wanted to talk about hideg look on and all that kind of shit in our fuking lives streams wt our live shems to be so fucking different but you the chat and you left the ple you puk wanted to test us and drag us down this foken route because you were interested in our theoretical foundations we wanted to get right to the meat of the matter and just

because we thought you would just take us in good faith based on your intuitions intuitively you don't trust your intuitions because you only think with your fucking theory in your head so you wanted to test us that's why we fucking sound so theoretical and shit you fock and more on and i was ok with that i said the bar entry is going to be hired first we're going to have to fuck and talk about theory at first because that's what the fucking chat and everyone wants so that's why we're

starting out this way we don't want to focus start out this way you fuck and more on talking about sniffing wrong parts all day as of what infrad started out as a being about theory are folking videos this was only be ten minutes each then they got extended to fourteen then to thirty out of necessity but even then they were so excessible

and people who didn't even have a marxist background liked them because they liked them intuitively because they looked cool and they they got the right vibe from them but you fucking nerds are the one who forced my fucking hand you fucking nerds are the reason i'm going down this route no normal people who don't know anything about politics or marxism they're the ones who like our fucking videos you're the fucking ones who drag us and harangue us and fuck and harass us and try to test us au

are fulking theoretical foundations the don't want to sit all day and talk about this shit i don't it takes a lot of it so folking exhausting it takes so much fro my head to

i can't fuk and believe this man

has thinks all its viewers are teenage losers who have never had a real job in their life when did i fuck and say that h when did i fuck and say that i said i don't care about your fucking personal background you fucking idiot bitch

and praise that projection for attention on the internet many such cases sad you fucked pussy

come on my fucking stream and say that you pussy

fucking bedch

i'm so triggered

i'm so fucking triggered man

sometimes i think

maybe i should go back to the drawing board

may just go back to the fuck and drawing board

i didn't want to go down this fuk and theory route shit i didn't fucking want to

i didn't fucking want to you're the ones who fuck and made me

and not youcuse me a sniffing my own fts all day

you fuck and dumbess you cocksucker you pitch i just want to talk about game stop i want to talk about jimmy dodor i want to talk with the capitol hill stuff i want to somealkbut contemporary events and talk about those kinds of things with you guys but everyone wanted to steer it into the direction of theory the only reason i said we live in socialism is i want to dress this fok just get over it who cares about this future socialist sociede who fucking cares were already living in it let's focus on the real world

now that's all you ever wanted to fuk you do it's all we made fulkan infrared

you think i'm trying to debunk fretch the fuck up

i'm not i'm not showing any more tolerance or mercy no more

yous actually triggered me beyond the threshold of human possibility

you triggered me so farcking much honestly you've triggered me so fucking much

are you people even solciers are you just here to circle jer go out a relevant philosophy you wanted the philosophy you wanted it

you wanted it

by synthesizing the work of heidegrin marx

what does this have to do with socialism

you're fucking idiot who doesn't understand that everything's interconnected dumb ass but you're the fucking idiot autistic retard who needs fucking ideger because you don't know anything about socialism and your sourcism has been nothing but a fucking failure for decades in the west so fucking talk to me about onees this have to do with socialism and thats to do with the fact that you've be nothing but a fuking for the entirety of fucking existence in the entirey in which you ever use this fucking word socialism fucking

you beitch

there's no reason to bea this mad

no there is a reason to beat this bad cause it's so fuckin exhausting is why

i think you should skip over the rest of the thread

really good anglo

testile

no they want to keep testing me they want to keep testing me every dumb funky thing they have to say they don't think i have a response for it

word salad but what is socialist word salad

ok anarcho dumb beach why don't you go back to the stream and actually see what i said

otherwise stop talking shit you fucking idiot

you bluffing beitch

i don't give a fuck this anglo mean has run its course no i've explained what anglo means several fucking times and you're fucking anglo for even saying this

and it's racist or it's racist you poor you poor fucking victim you poor fucking victim it's races blown out your fuking ass angle pitch i don't have time you can be racist to me and i'll be racist to you how about that i'm fine with that call me whatever fk i'm an eror whatever you want call me anything but just give me the pass to be racist against anglos and i'll fuking have a field day i will be more cruel and make you cry more than you could possibly do to me you i could make

ang i could be so much more vicious and evil and disgusting toward anglos at this raate this really racial level than you could possibly do to me as an arab i've heard everything in the focking book i don't care be racist to me as an arab but let me be racist to anglos and see how many people i mak cry see how many people make folk and cry don't test me don't fuk con test me i haven't been fulking racist but if you want to test me you can test me

anglo isn't a race boasted as if it wasn't sakai worstering faggots

who think deporting whites is socialism

popularize this shit

were you talking about you fucking idiot

what are you fucking talking about first worre merkelis now we're third world is first were euro comes now we're a psychias

you don't know anything about what our fucking views were about the jeremy corban phenomenon what was fucking going on in the u k

you fock and dummz

we faulted deemy corbyin because he wasn't enough in tune with the british working classes in the hinterlands and he was too much focused on the momentum metropolitan aery ferry bullshitters

we faulted corbin

because he wasn't with the english people the real people that's why we faulted corbett you fuckan idiot and you don't know that that's fine but you made the assumption anyway even though you didn't fucking no so what does that make you a dumb ass

no i don't give a fuck this anglo mean has run its course

i'm fine with this

this will calm me down this is funny i'll keep this

saves

this is fine

may just make meams if you want to command me

just do this type of shit

take a breather hads you might blow a vein i am but to blow a fuck in vein dude

so triggered i'm just saying

they they always accuse us of being only go on talking about ph ls we don't want to do that we just wanted to get down to business

but you guys didn't let us and that's fine

but whose fault is that don't blame us for that

think should cut short the thread sections

i'm going to diill be the last one i do in after this the all the things i read are just going to be what you guys want me to read

they hate their own pregensives yeah i know dude i know it's

focking incredible

literally incomprehensible nonsense ok anglo

ok anglo

as if you couldn't read this fucking sentence you know what it fucking means ok anglo

fuck and dumb ass calling everything nonsense

because it doesn't conform to your standards of language you stupid cont

stupid foker

i return i frever the t one f red

i should definitely not going to vote yes this is identical to wasohs a little fat

ok say say what you falkon want and destiny

and cometown people in chapel and everything that's outside of your little comfy safe space

which is just words that get nowhere guess what all these people you mentioning

are commanding the attention of

hundreds of thousands if not millions of people what are you doing

what are you doing

their revisionism is a problem

pulling shit out of your ass

no c p o c is not actually a communist party pulling shit out of your ass

c p c neither read a book

i bet you've read more books than you

but i but i'm sniffing my farts if i say that first they tell me to read a book then they tell me you're focusing too much on books and you're reading too much

imagine that

imagine that

somebdy explained why they think we are already living in socialism

here's another issue nobody really explains this ever

all you guys do is say oh they mean that we live in a

capitalist monopoly no it's not right fucking said

iant explain the sources of things i understand it

he basically contrasted with the idea of neoliberalism

calling it a fake story been fed competitiorve free market society where doggy dogs

when in realitiy our economyes socialized banks are bailed out hedge funds are producted

he makes a point about capitoal dbu

social signals

ok

i never said

see

that's not how the social signals are those social signals are denominated economically i talk about socialist political economy that's where i find that we live in socialism thing to be the most relevant the fact that there's a socialistic

political economy

it's actually economic itself

most people don't think socialism is economic they think socialism just means we somehow control the means of production but the way in which this control is dispersed and exercised is itself economic

example not the only thing example is the attention economy attention economy means the way in which the control is exercised is itself rationed and economic

you understand what economic means

it's almost as simple as that

and no no one's ever used this argument to my knowledge

so what is original to us

obviously they' rich but the idea that the working lasses do sceiz political powers not

it's that too it's that too but it's also that i'm not saying socialism isn't going to evolve in the forces of production i'm just saying

politically seizing power in the transformations that happen in the forces of production are two entirely different things

you're going to read literally four hundred posts you're going to get triggered at any one of them why am i going to get triggered though why am i going to get triggered

i don't have the drugs thatill sduce for that long

i want to expire

no point arguing autistics

you're right dude it so much and it's so long

but if i don't do it they're going to say i surrendered

so i'm going to do this one

they're going to say i surrender this will be the last one i do and then i win i'm going to proclaim victory

heise is correct don't talk shit about people putting themselves out there unless you're willing to step to it

yeah

they make a big deal out of this terminology

yet stop mentioning falk and michael hudson i'm not just saying we live in a planned economy i'm saying the planning itself has a political economy of its own that's something michael hudson doesn't fucking say so no i'm not just fuking saying that our economy is planned that's one argument i've used it's not the main thrust of the fucking argument the reason we live in socialism is the opposite of what you think it's because of the decentralization it's not because of the centralization

it's because the socialism itself has become economical

and an economic force

something that that has a marketplace and is rationed

and has competition and his and all that kind of stuff

so what they're not the ones making a big deal out of this terminology you are

i a million things talk about but seeming as want to hyperfocus on anything that makes infrared look stupid exactly

no socialist idea has ever been new

okay

i'm going to skip this

skip this

skip this

here saves the dumb ass you going to blow the fuck out of sage again

see what he says

stupid easily led people who don' have anything good to say you got your as blown the fuck out

you had nothing good to say

see has would even slamm steve bannon in jail

because i'm not a fucking edgedlord fucking idiot on the internet i remark son of this and me streaming is better than trade unions i didn't fucking say that you fucking idiot but yes this worship of trade unions is a sign of you being left behind and you being not up to date and you being a fucking fucking vain idiot who worships suffering for its own sake

stop worshipping trade unions

cause guess what there's a lot of limits to trade unions one of the limits to trade unions is the main locus of our economic reality is no longer just the workplace it's also where we live for example that's why there's tenant unions now that's why they're trying to unionize literally fucking aneath everything unionize public transportation unionize bus riding

everything is a fucking interconnected unionized grocery shopping literally all of this site is economic now so trade unions yes they're not the be all and end all stop fucking putting them on a pedestal like how you are and making them seem that's the supreme form of workers action you have such a fucking dinosaur outdated mentalitys pathetic

sage is going to get an egotistical rush again

oh and in general fact that the word heterodoxy is coming up like em'm not a conformist marxis yeah i'm pointing out the fact that our approach is one you're not familiar with for people who want to take as good and good faith that's why i use the word heterodox

special fucking snowflake you're the special fucking snowflake be it who comes on the internet demanding validation for your bluffing in real life

he thinks the barrier to entry is high

i already addressed this last dream cause another fuking idiot said the same thing you did you know what i said this is what i fucking said i said first it's going to be high the buried entry is going to be high just like state socialism you' going have to begin with state socialist planning then you gradually lower it once you get control and you get a hold of the rel symbiotic relationship between you and the audience that's was fucking going on now and i hope i made a whole fuking

about but you think you're so fucking smart you think you're so fucking smart for pointing out something that was literally in the fucking m s paint

that was literally in the fugking m s paint you think you're so falking smart even though it was directly addressed in the fuking origin of the mem itself you fucking idiot

you are literally reading their comments from last stream no i'm not this is at the only time i said barrier to entry is after i made the emm s paint so there's no excuse for making this retarded argument when the very first time i mentioned the barrier to entry fucking thing was when i already addressed why this is we didn't want to begin with theory this is how fucking happened because of you the chat and you lefty pool this is why

foking happened

we don't want to fuck and good on the theory rabbit hole but we have to begin this way then we can branch off and get more and more people and lower the barrier of fucking entry we have to begin and go ill climb up this fucking mountain for now

houses out here talking abouy machine guns but say still wants to bring out the cavalry

it's exactly that

show us the mem

i didn't save it someone else saved it

someone else saved it it's probably going to come up in the thread somewhere

someone else saved it in' fucking save it

everything i don't like is fascist

jan he's retirded but please

he's anti yeah ok i'm not going to go through the dir direct act shit again cycle babble

you're fucking dumb ass you need psychanalysis why do you come on the internet directing demanding all this validation from the other eh you need a sin on the fucking freud's couch

and go through a long

fock and psycho analysis

this is my main gripe has

do you even have a job have you ever had a job or come you want to test me personally now and test me personally if you want to bring my personal life into this if you want to know what i'm made of you come fly out to me and you confront me on this visceral personal level like you'r folk trying to do my lif is none of your fucky business bitch also one on the street as you said strikes are too big to o gardy dress this ready

address this but let's re says new argument there's one piece of gold winged one g cease to be gold when this is guys guys guys i'm glad i'm glad i'm glad this is literally when i say so when i'm calling him an anglo metaphysical anglo you know why i'm calling metaphysical anglo now because he's reducing the social phenomena of a strike

right to be the aggregate of one g s he thinks all the only meaning of social objectivity is the aggregate of individual substances who are engaged in direct action that was literally my argument and he literally just confirmed he's an anglo fucking retard who thinks the whole social objectivity is reducible to the sum total of individual substantial actions you're a fucking idiot bits and you just you just exposed

yourself you just exposed yourself

ho

i shouldn't react to this thread next time i want do it next time

this one triggered me enough to react to it

some' triggered me enough

so next time'm not going to do this

i don't have every night to waste on these assles yes you do sage i'm going to skeep seeing more of you sage i knowm to keep seeing more of you but the difference is sage is the only time you're going to be responding to from here on out is when the chat links me a post

that actually mean that they're actually impressed by so if i'm not going to respond to no sage it's literally because it's been confirmed that you have nothing of interest to say according to the chat how does that feel sage

fucking idiot you my new fucking punching bag now

for today

given lots of people are here prone to saying

which you do too you call me the arab thing

i don't even think he is that bad c unable to meit hes made a huge error b no you are unable to admit your fucking anglo retard that's your fucking error

strikes are not direct action

strikes are not direct action

and just to be petty

just to be petty

just to be petty

reminder

reminder

reminder just to be petty

just to be petty

for the sake of pettiness

specific a pettiness

t sake of petting iss

sak a pettiness

sick of pettiness

here you go

this side is going to be no

serious

there you go

they go

see that

i don't know every night

yeare you do

if anybody's recorded times i'll gladly watch okas in to respond

a suit you response

strikes are in direct action

yet bes fucking collective action he use a thing sage is that you can't apply in direct action at the collective and institutional and social scale because at that point it becomes indirect what fucking part of this do not understand when it's mediated at an institutional scale the action is no longer direct because an individual is not the same as an institution an institution is not a fuking super organic individual

you not when you use the word the institution did this this is not the same as the person did this when institution does something it has to be mediated in an indirect way so far as it concerns individuals this is what you don't fuking understand you fok and more on

i just explained it

shining path

but he didn't know about cendero luminoso meant he knew the anglovid ya becuse i'm speaking english right now and it weren't speaking english so what's your fucking point just because i'm speaking english means i'm enslaved

by seventeenth century anglo metaphysics like you are

doesn't support the c p sa

he's either telling ill write lige or go se mr no you made shu up and pulled it out of your asses you're pussy

where's ray reminder you are dumb ray you got your ass blown the fuck out last time you're a dumb pussy stupid bitch

what is direct action it was already explained bitch the whole chat agreed i mentally dominated

fucking sage about it

so you're the one left behind you got to go back earlier in the stream

fucking dumb as

no it's not when you block traffic i never said that

because now as you sad the blooding trafficing in susan goods youre saying goods direct action

yeah i think i made my point about direct action exactly

and everyone keeps making shit up about me supporting the c p s a

when i'm talking about the brand

appealing to people's skin color

is it pul

when did i appeal to their skin color

what are you talking about

china

venezuela and cuba do a better job

yeah but guess what venezuela and cuba are already in the fucking cross airs china can't afford to be venezuelaan cuba china is in a a better position than they're in cuba's under an embargo venezuela speaks for itself many snows going on there so yes they have the freedom just like iran does to do a lot of wild shit that china can't afford to fucking do

how about that you aanre to trot you have a trot skid mentality you're living the same as every u k trot i ever fucking encountered in my fuking life

i disgrace i call them and you called for a world gulag some stupid edgy point i don't even fucking agree with

they had to get the common

people off the street

calling all people comon yet they had to get your run of the mill person off the street to run the gulags i guess you don't get that on the street the street is a brutal and vicious falking place there's a lot of brutal and vicious people especially the types who are cuht out to be prison guards so yeat they had to get some really nasty people off the street to do this shit and i don't mind calling the fucking nasty if you don't understand why they're nasty you're sheltered and privileged and you don't understand

the fuck a real world infarrior stuff who's got jones ous zones more successful and prominent significant than you ever will be sage you pussy

yeah propaganda is good but jesus christ cause me try you are try you can gain a gemany through in force literally wheezing it's called a class war not a class debate club i didn't say it's a matter of debate like i'm doing with lefty pool do you fucking think that the young turks has to debate anybody do you focking think all these other liberal things have to debate anybody you think hus to debate anybody you think all these fulk and all this shit that's going on they have to debate anybody no

i have to debate you guys because i have to fucking prove myself and i have to win the wild west apparently

may anglo yeah get over it beitch

you are an anglo

you everyone who's got a problem with me is literally anglo

you're not right

you're not right i'm not appealing to i i don't give a fuck about identity politics whatever you fucking talking about i'm speaking for all humanity against anglos keep claing complaining about identity poggs do i don't give a fuck

you like to talk about dibshit who calls the black panthers identity politics no you fucking idiot there's a difference between a stiff moralizing institutionalized overly socialized couck who's talking about identity politics and what i'm doging i'm accused of being a fucking douginess for god's sake is that it pule is that it pule i don't give a fuck then

i am it pu now if that's it pul

and the metaphysics things it's just a cop out for racism

you think i'm scared to be racist against anglos we dipshit hate crow dumb fuck you think i'm scared to be racist against anglos because what because i fear retaliation i don't feear retaliation be racist against arabs be racist against where i come from i don't give a fuck i've heard everything in the book it doesn't impress me i'm not impressed by it i don't care i'm not butered like you you be thrown at me or whatever but i want you to be honest about what you feel i want i want you to be honest about your

hatred of humanity that's why i don't ban people when they're going to be racs aainst arabs against me i want you to be honest and just let it all out because i laugh at it right

i laugh at it i'm not scared to be racist against angls i'm not i'm just not i'm just not but but but you're tempting me people like you tempt me

people like you really are tempting me honestly you're tempting me

unlike ninety nine percent of leftists like nowadays strikes would actually paralyze the economy

they do when they actually rise to a level of prominence

they do hows how do we going to sham d m me on twitter you can come on

gim me on twitter

i'm sorry i have been being a troll

when i have a discussion with you i don't use zoom

we'll download it

download it

it's not bad idiology we it's not bad idology because there is a pattern it's not just about an english people it's about a civilizational form of chauvinism is the problem

because america is the number one guy in power right now in the world and that's also going to correspond with a lot of metaphysical philosophic and idiological prejudices that are inherited from the seventeenth century

so that's what's going on yes we are living in a world that's dominated by anglo america right now

that's what's going on

zoom is insecure bra why is it insecure

why don't people troll just get on stream i know save time right

save so much time for both of us

why zoom

we're going to switch the discord eventually but

we have to use zoom for now because discord is the connection is always unstable for our members

the connection is always unstable that's why

look i didn't ban anyone my stream

hos because the stream yeah it was an example though i was giving you an example you can idiologically dominate people without having to throw them in jail

that's my fucking point for example in china believe it or not you're not just going to be thrown in jail

for just being a liberal right but if you go on the internet you're going to be bullied by everyone and you're going to feel like shit

you can just dominate them idiologically they own the entire media

well here's a thing sage i'm talking about after the fucking proletarian dictatorship you know when the state controls the whole media and infrastructure and already controls everything from every side so yes you fucking can

how are you going to put them in the gulag when they own the fucking media

guys sages literally saying that he wants to put people in gulaugs before he even seizes power

he probably is locking people up in his basement

and calling it his gulag and having people locked up and tied up in his basement be so weirdo and freak

and he calls it his personal gulag

oh i'm sage welcome to sage's goulag

and he slams him down the stairs

when they're tied up and blindfolded

and they're in his basement

sages tying people up and throwing him in his basement and calling it his personal gulag guys

can you fucking believe that it's crazy

i don't care about mike sonovitch

don't squat absolute bitch confront i do other like things but let's see how much you can bench sage

i doubt you can bence more than me

i can tell by your demeanor and your attitude

who cares about squatt

if you can join gm caos from a browser instead of downloading it

you are growing in forred hos i'm growing unions we are not the same to go fucking do that then why do you need validation on the internet

exactly

he's skipping over my arguments i'm not skipping over nothing sage i'm absolutely dominating you mentally

and you begged for

me one record saying laste is one pactful than direct action one hundred percent one hundred percent one hundred percent

and just to be petty

just to be petty

just to be petty

three fucking petty

s fucking petty

this is not going to have sage is going to i want saye to make a three hour video apologizing two hundred times and i'll redeem him

yes to make an apology video showing his full face and his voice

apologizing six hundred times

within a two hours time span and then also forgive sage

that so much is triggered me today

then i'll forgive him

ok i just don't care about squatting good i just don't care about it

ok you can squat i don't care whatb

only ten people get involved in direct action true

in india yeah and this idiot this is such a pathetic loser sage is he thinks that by doing things personal because the individual substance

is not the essence

of what's going on at this level of millions of people

that's what you don't understand when things are happening at the level of millions of people it's not reducible to the sum total of a bunch of sages they didn't just decide to get up in the morning and be sage

ok and voluntarily decide to do something and pull it out of their fucking ass

something is going on at an objective level socially

you understand

actual proletariat are they proletariat or are they just poor

maybe they're not proletary maybe there's also petty boogoi elements sounds like you just mean they're poor because you're a christian idiot

suffering christian suffering here we go the christian suffering and not fucking law students

what's your falking point

what's your fucking point you dam mas they're also not idiots on fucking left you pule talking much a shit

what's your fucking p he thinks i'm saying law students are the revolutionary subject

where did i say that you fucking idiot i never said has is personally directly individually the revolutionary subject you anglos are the ones who seem to be unable to conflate the revolutionary subject with some type of individual substance that's your fucking problem

come to me with your hat in your hands

sage after having your ass blown the fuck out

i want you to look back onhen you said this and cry

free waiter smith machine

honestly

honestly i'm going to get a lot of flak for this

but id always like to do both

but honestly smith machine is better

to me because you can just do so much more and the's so much explosive power potential

with a smith machine

you know

i've tried both trust me i've done both

and i've always just had better results

and i've always done better with the spin machine

and trust me i do both

the smith machine is always the one

that that are works out my chest the most because i can just do so much more weights

sorry for deral

never sold it yeah you are a paper seller it's all you are

houses based yet exactly it sae as

seething and cobing take the l exactly dude

he took a big o didn't he

big fucking oow

big fucking on give me your zoom idea has

rain

i'm not going to give it you in chat

dear me on twitter

ar me on twitter

coward back to honestly posting online

dam me on twitter

ok ray

first i want to ask you a question ry are you go apologize for all the shit you did last time

because that's going to define the tone of our discussion

that's going to define the tone of our discussion

i don't have a twitter man

make one

i can't i can't directly message you in any other way so make one

why are you hurt boy boy

oh god oh about the freeway to switishen thing yeah dude i don't know

i've i've switched from smith smith machine to freewights

i've switched before

and

it wasn't given me the results i wanted by doing the freeway

it i wasn't working out as much of my chest when doing the freewights

okay

do you deadlift

rarely honestly i'd have a very s very specific

thing that's that's hetererodox i have a very heterodox weightlifting

regien

just because ic is so incoherent i don't think usic is incoherent whatsoever

gjizak makes so much sense

that he's almost too coherent

he's almost too coherent i almost find it ugly sometimes how coherent he is

he should be a little bit more poetic

and beautiful in his writing it sometimes it's too

ugly how coherent he is

ick is very easy to read

if you just let go of your prejudices

and he's crystal clear he's one of the most crystal uick clear fucking riders ever

you should read me you think jesus is in cohre

doesn't make m anti angle yeah but you anglos are the only ones who dismiss him as incoherent

so what does that mean

allthoug all the dismissal of esa comes from this arrogant anglo mindset

he was briefly a nw the political can in the nineties yes politics suck

today would be a tolerable sdum if not for the anglo compatible geopoliticales that's true that's a it's a fair criticism

it's a fair criticism of ij

he does have bad geo political takes

unorthodox terminology saying we live in socialism

that's not orthodox terminology that is share it is a terminal nartsism you can't talk between six people but no it's not we can use words in new ways

and i do mean we live in socialism and it means the same socialism as it always was

yes we live in socialism and i'm referring to the word

that you are familiar with but not on the terms you're familiar with it all

understand we do live in socialism

one of the star philosophers a strems togethers words for math he doesn't understand like the spirit science guy whenever you press these angles on how they don't understand them they just not going to open door and they're like to those didn't mention this or that was like why why should he have mentioned it

prove he doesn't understand it

i always love calling their bluff when they say you don't understand mathaphysics no you're accusing them of not understanding the metaphysical stakes of mathaphysics to you math and physics metaphysically mean

a completely blind world completely indifferent to any human meaning

and scientists and mathematicians

um

become familiar with that fact and it's so impressive to them

that that's what they mean by understanding they mean getting into the groove

of anglo metaphysics

and angloaesthetics

that's what you really mean

you bluffing idiot bitch

i'm pretty sure you can d m in ford on youtube too

no you can't honestly i never meant to actually that much a dick i love you ok we'll see ray

let you come on

when you comes to left ofp any image word is really typical nomere its was to be a troll so i am sorry ok i accept your apology i'm sorry to

i accept your apology

i bet how skips leg day

capitalism a schizophrenias retarded

but

ok why is it retarded

oh

it is neither what communst parties are saying and you know that which communist parties which ones who

who made the law

nor is it with mainstream talk as i get but i wipe my eyes with the mainstream talk how about that

i'm you know infrared wanted to deal with ordinary people first

and the socialism we live in socialism sows em for the rich mem

is actually what is popular among ordinary people that is actually the type tried and proven most effective populistic talking point

so far it's just that nerds like you have a problem with it

and we're dealing with you nerds now you know we don't we don't why should i care about you mainstream

your mainstream and actual reality is fringe

so i shouldn't have to care about it

i'm sorry i don't want to insult lefty poole but honestly guys

realize how much of a bubble it really is it is a bubble

and it isn't doing a good job of attracting

more people

because it's such a bubble

an infrared is doing a better job of attracting people

we're a bubble with a hole in it and we're letting we're opening it and expanding it more and letting more people in

right what about the e mail

i'm making a twitter hang on ok

that's fine

that's fine it isn't even specialist academic marxis jargon

it doesn't even qualify for so you don't all know our argument thuh when you're jumping to all these conclusions why don't you address our actual argument

address our argument stop trye to address our use of words address our argument

address our fucking argument

how about that we made a fucking point so focus keep your eye on the fucking money in the ball youre distriggered about the fact that we're using the word socialism in a way that is outside of your preconceived definition

isn't that what i said is isn't that what i said is a pinnacle example of being an anglo idiot

no it's not a we're not inventing a new word we're not inventing a new word we're saying we live in socialism

the socialsm marx and angles talked about the same one that they talked about

not some definition that exists for all eternity

but it's the same in essence it is the same socialism historically it's the same essence

it's the same socialism it's not a private word we are saying we live in socialism maybe you just don't understand what socialism is maybe you're taking for granted your understanding of socialism maybe it's inadequate and incomplete and insufficient have you ever thought of that anonymous idiot

and the reaction whether conservative or progressive ering whatever is

this you tube was retarded attention war think we got the fuking idea of sourcism from the rich it's from the fuking popular masses because that isking popular among them it's try tested and it's pop fucking moron that's literally where we got it from they're the ones who spontaneously feel that way we're just justifying it theoretically you're the nerds who come and tell them no it's not

true

but they're the ones who say

hey we already live in socialism because the first thing people care about is

is

the first thing people care about

is this

how can socialism work

and the most effective response to that is

we're already living in it don't worry about how it's going to work we're already living in the mother foker

so yeah

he deludes with the star philosopher in france his book f the guitars bsella

depending on where you live and how old you are this is really obscurre knowledge

so you are very new is this coquurtion you have a

fake having nre taken with that attitude youre bess you're fucking e bassement i just prove a fuck and more on you are

it's probly fine change the meaning words we're not changing the meaning it has the same meaning

but the meaning it's not reducible to a string of words

it's the same meaning but the meaning isn't mean meaning in general is never reducible to a string of words meaning is a dialectic

meaning is something is a is a one

that passes through its opposite and returns to itself

that's the meaning of meaning that's what meaning is it's not a fucking string of words

we don't need to make up new words it's the same word

dum mass and i've explained it a million times

how the fuck why don't you actually listen to the

hours and hours we've devoted to explaining it and stop pulling shot you arass and making fucking assumptions you dumb cunt stupid bitch

it does explain the world far better far better than the people who are trying to say ah we just let's just capitalism why do you have to say it's just capitalism because you know wt to spontaneous and intruitive level the world is so fundamentally fucking different that you to keep adding different words it's it's platform capitalism is digital capitalis fueral capitalism we're just saying it's socialism that's way more simple it makes a lot more sense and explains things a lot better

and ordinary people seem to get it you don't when we tell ordinary people who live in socialism and you givean example of all of the government institutions for example and then you give the example the bank bailouts for example and you give much other examples yeah we already live in this bitch it's already simple right

you're the nerd who has a fucking problem with it and you're fucking narcissic bitch and you want me all our attention and effort to be focused on you

you don't have to show your face

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calling m a dumb ma ass dam bos i got to go wage cuck

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he doesn't show his face ok but if you say that word or something like that

we're going to have a problem

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for some reason he's propping up neo status quo

hi dummas how am i propping of the status quo you falkan idiot

all you've ever done is make streams defending jimmy dore and defending literally every anti establishment sentiment and momentum that you cad fucking name and even think of how we propping ofu the status quo you fucking idiot we're more anti establishment than you you fucking fake marxists are accusing jimmy dore of being a fascist and being a petty bousgeois sock them meanwhile we're the ones out here defending all the anti establishment voices in every fucking

meaningful sense

how the fuck are we shows for the status quo you dumb fuck we idiot

what a stupid accusation

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i don't know dude i don't know i don't know if i could say that but i disagree with where he's coming from

i just who these coming from when it comes to caleben it comes to that kind of stuff

you

so ya there's that

hos you know if you shot an emils user youd probably come on stream

i we talked about this before

i feel like i would just argue was easic and i don't want to

see zijak

wouldn't appreciate how much

like how much i've already

izak is used to people not understanding him you know

he's used to nobody understanding him

and i'm

one of the few people who actually do understand and he makes total incomplete sense to me

so i feel like

from there we would only just start arguing

like zizak is someone who has to he's like me

he always has to prove himself to everyone

but he doesn't have to prove himself to me because i already understand it

so

no he doesn't he doesn't want to argue with me and the reason is he's

his old age

and

that's

you know

and he wouldn't be used to he want to be prepared you know

and i don't want to

i think it's important that people

i want i'm trying to support him

against the anglo menace

so that people will actually you know he's very he ses so accessible

you know

he's so acessible

and yet people still call him crazy

and as you know in comprehensible and nonsense

and it really gets to me you know

and i don't want to do anything that's going to put ak in a bad light

question him or areg you with him in any way

because people haven't even gotten over the hurdle

of

accepting that he has something

important to sey

i was curious and i want his first video w he was dressing up

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but

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that he you know

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i

i just

i don't have a lot i reallygree a lot of things you say man

you know hobnestly i think i think a lot of your critique actually

can be kind of spot on you know

i just i don't know

anglo thing kind of does kind of trigger me though personally i don't know

why is that why does it trigger you

of not

is you mean like personally you find a little offensive

and so

well i mean yeah i am quote unquote analysis

has left it to class not you shouldn't intend toly relate a classic w

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no but i mean

basically with the whole

angloathing meant

i just don't think that it's

i don't think that

something that doesn't revolve around a class analysis per se is necessarily like

helpful to building socialism or building like left

in the modern era you know what i'm saying like

we should definitely pay attention and like yeah man there's a lot

there's a lot of issues with like

you know the dominance white people have

or anglo people have in society and we should definitely pay attention to those things

but i think at the end of the day

it's

counterproductive not to

tie all of that together into a class analysis you know i'm saying because what kind of the day we all want to be free men but which class

because there can be an anglo class analysis and there can be a

chinese class analysis for example

is my right right when my issue is not that i think anglos

a

are too over represented in society and that

we need to have affirmative action for not anglos that's completely besides the

my point is that

it's very simply what i'm calling anglo

is a metaphysical and civilizational period beginning sometime in the seventeenth century

up to the present point

which i feel like people are mentally still dogmatically bogged down by

including in their understanding of what class is in the first place

mmhmm

yeah that yeah that's fair i i

you know

i just i

i think that

it i

when we talk about classes man

we talk about classes

you know i try and base like my definitions

on like the material

groundings that we find ourselves in

you know what they mean abot it when i

well so like the idea of race right

the idea of race is kind of like an idealistic notion like

we understand race idealistically

we have our presuppositions about i'f not grounded necessarily and no material reality though it is like it it is that wen advocate that was advocate

since it's not clear what you mean by material

from an impiricistic perspective

it's very clear there are

phenotypical differences between different populations in the world

whether they can be rigidly classified

in fur or three races is probably not true there are so many clusters of popular

so

on this in there is there is gen genetic you know

so i don't know what you mean by material what do you mean by material is my question well

so i'm i'm trying to explain so yeah you know

yet there are phenotypical differences but like

nominally when people talk about race

you know we don't we don't think about the genetic like

well in americascribed enough for instance in america i can explain to you that the differences

between black people and white people and mexicans

sure i don't agree that it's racial

i don't care about this kind of the

racial stuff

but to say that those differences are only intelligible because we're all idealists

is ridiculous

on a very commonsensical and intuitive level

there's some kind of clear national difference between black people white people mexican

outside of america

the fact that there are differences between people and an ethnic national even religious level

is so self evident to

every

to majority of people that

calling it idealism i think is ridiculous

i think if that's idealism

i

why is why is the barrier to entry to it so low why is that people can just understand it

inuitively

without having to consult anyology or any i was well actions so so so when you have when you have an ideology that is the headmony of the societies you live under

when you grow up and when you grow through this society those ideologies and that hed jimony

kind of naturally really imprint themselves upon how

you know what i'm saying like

well through through your parents like

ok i'm going to give an example i grew up in the south

you know what i'm saying i grew up in the south

and i got fron a lot of very very racist people and i was actually

very racist up until about

i was twelve years old or thirteen years old and i started getting into more like left wing ideology and stuff like that but these people tried to indoctrinate me

into this racist way of thinking

you know i'm saying and that's kind of how these things

propagate and spread you know because that ns not am jim racism

doesn't manifest itself

very very rarely

thises mess racism manifest itself in explicit idiological

committee

it's the symptomum

unconscious and and and

spontaneous uh

s

slips of tongue and ways in which

you interact with other tipes right right that's where racism bemes evidence

's not it's very

rare that it's i don't i don't even disagree with that

but i think that kind of it's like a but what calling one thing leads to another no be caalling that wayology

and being that being premised by ideology isn't that kind of idealism

like why insert ideas

when there's

no true how is that idea right

so because

so because when you're talking about a class analysis of society when i define the working class

and i define capitalist class

i understand those things by those who sell their labor and those who do not sell their labor and live off the

of other labor you we know i'm saking you know now when when it comes to race

we aren't talking about something that is tethered or grounded to a material

understanding like that because those are materials it of our life that we live in right now

yes we are yes we are

race is a reality

it is a reality

i i don't i just it's a more it'sn more a reality than the abstraction you're talking about when it comes to selling labor and hiring labor

because

you're actually that's actually where the idealism is because in our society

this is not an essential point of distinction when it comes to how economic realities are manifesting themselves

it only when we're dogmatically committed to the distinction

does this someth does it

kid does this kind of make it solf evident

but for normal people the barrier to entry to accepting

that the essential distinction of our society is between

those who sell their labor

and those who buy labor

is very high you have to read theory to

doesn't come intuitively

unlike in nineteunenth century when the distinction between workers and bosses

capitalist

was so self evident

that

yeah yeah

directly in your face

what's that

directly to face w i said at that point tme it was apparent i was agreeing with you

ok

a that time

but y yeah i don't i don't know man i

because it

when when i talk about things like this philosophically like i kind of like

i'm trying to get to the cokeronel

or the central focal point of

you know that

debate you know i'm saying and like when it comes down to it

you know i think that

doo

way that we understand race and society

and things like that

i think that it is not tethered

to maure reality again because when people say

when people when people have i s you they do

i don't know what you mean by that what do you mean that's what material

the the objective

outside of the mind

the

focal actual reality that exists outside of our heads

that what i

a it is outside of our heads there's what's in our heads and there's what's outside of our

all we're talking about is our

here even even

my life stream is outside of your

do that make it material according to you

uh yeah but what so

you know when we're talking like economics

and philosophy you know i think it's a little different than you know being pedantic

about the material i not bereentic i don't say i i just want to introduce you

i just want to introduce you to the reality

and when we when marxists are using the word material

they're making metaphysical claims that have their origin in seventeenth century english think

it's own trying to say

it's not a dialectical point what they mean

by material

they don't understand material

dialect

so when what do you mean when you say seventeenth century english thinking i mean i

english i don't

i don't even necessarily understand how that invalidates the things that marx or even i have been talking about well you don't you don't you don't have to see it you can just read marx and angles themselves and they were quite explicit about the fact

that of their rejection of english metaphysics and according to them the retardation of materialism

was the result of it being bogged down english lockian metaph

angles was very clear b

mmhmm

mmhmm

that's whyp yeah yeah but i let so you know when you talk about

when you talk about things like that

when you talk about like i

dialectics i think is what you're getting at

you know what i'm saying

so when you talk about the

the

forward ever progression of history

you know what i mean think like that

that's thats wig history that's also anglo that's wig history that has nothing to do with dialectics

that's whig his

well i mean i

you know i've read phenomenology of spirit you know what i'm saying like that's thatll doesn't talk about i don't doesn't talk about weak history he doesn't actually sure sure sure he doesn't explicitly talk about it he doesn't explicitly talk about it but it's well developing you have to be able toing down categorically and logically you know

if if we're material is why you have to com don of reality if if we're materialis

why must

being be pinned down categorically in logically

if being is primary to those

is that is that i mean but is that not the state of reality is that not the state of the world is that not i disagree i how we undertand reality i don't agree that being is premised by concepts and categories

and lodge

i don't think being is premised by

i think logic

is something we ok heads ok

that to relate to meing

ok

o wow i mean we are we are we are yeah you're i mean you're kind of right though we are kind of like

at the lnel we're kind of branching off in two different philosophical directions

here you know what i'm saying

let mean i'm not

i don't i don't

even disagree with you you know i'm saying i'm kind of learning some things here myself

you know

and so i just it's very it's an interesting way to think about that

i mean i

that's what we're here for it and forred we just want to get the ball rolling and

the reason i'm always meant mentioning this anglo stuff

is only because

it's a type of dogmatism

that i think we should move beyond

now there is an invement of anglo civilization

in mojernity

industrial modernity

scientific modernity more or less it began

scientific majornity

beginning

in england represented the first insight into the fact

that

i

we don't have immediate

or

we don't have immediate access to being to know what being is

and

immediate

this kind of empiricism stuff

so it was the shock it was the shock of a radical alienation

between what was inside of was

subjectively

and the outside world there's some kind of discontinuity between the objective

reality

and what's in our heads

right

this was

this was thoroughly developed

all i'm trying to say is that

as we're witnessing the decline of america as an

the rise of china and other polarities

now i think is the time

whll it's not just i think this i'm acknowledging the facts

that people are able to now reconcile their civilization

and their spiritual and philosophical tradition

with this shock

apocalypt

i call it a majornity

and they can now move beyond the threshold of this initial

fascination or shock or intimidation

with

the modern apocalypse that defines in my view anglo civilization

to me

anglo civilization on a spiritual level

is defined

by an initial encounter in shock

with the modern apop

yeah

i don't i don't eat like a

that's i don't even like i said i don't even necessarily disagree with that man i think that that's

pretty much spot on

you know what i'm saying i just i just i try i don't know

i try and i try and

tether my analysis the class but when you break wh you kind of break it down like that

you know when you kind of break down like

i mean are you against formal logic is that how you would

describe

but what is formal logic formal logic for example

i

does not premise

the idea that formal logic premises reason for example

i think even many former malogicians

find that

formal logic

doesn't yeah this yeah how we can

think logically

all it attempts to do is right n neat vacuum sealed

m

environment

do think

right see what you can do with logic

see where it can take

and mathematics and that kind of stuff but you try and

apply that dogmatically to the premise of our thinking

and our reasoning i think is an absurd

formal prologic you can oer words has to know its place

formal logic is axiomatic

right

to begin with the

forms and you build f those forms and you can see what they can do

and in this sphere of industry and right

technology

they can they lead to very interesting results

but as to being as a whole

cannot premise

human being

human sd

i mean yes but but what

what about you discovery of the truth itself you know what i'm saying like

like

do you think formal logic is a

rational tool for discovery of

truth

in our world that we live in you know i'm saying because i don't knoww

i that is how i haategoriz my understanding it's not

it's not my impressing thatmll formal ogicians make this claim

i think what you're more trying to talk about is the scientific method and empiricism

i speaking about truth

to me though

truth

uh truth

what truth is right

is not something that is preemptively written or buried in the past

so to me

truth

is something future oriented

truth means

a

not discover

what is

and which is separate from us

and which we can preemptively impose to be everyone's truth

truth is something

something that can be arrived at

only by those

look who are looking for it inn acence

what truth are you looking for you'll find but would

would

with

with you

would you would you agree there's a objective truth

that exist outside of like our subjective understanding of reality

my issue is how is it outside of our subjective

stand

to me

within anglo saxon metaphorics

it's outside of our subjective

understanding

from the pat as a substance a ready made substance sovereign stok and complete

and if the mind

is there is a response to this in the mind must discover this past

to me

the true object

the material object

may be outside of our thinking but it's outside of our thinking for the future

not

buried in the past somewhere which means

the object

tho it is outside of our thinking

reconciles the whole of our subjectivity

in our human

the object

makes sense

reconcile

and rationalizes in a sense

attest to the deeper rationality and even the deeper meaning

of which our subjectivity is a part of

our subjectivity in other words

is part of

the material object itself

that's the german view of

german view of object to ok the absolute object

wright in german idealism

which mark marxs materialism is

sundings

the object

is what grounds

and what

cohers are very subject to

it's not something in the past that exists at the expense of our subjective humanity

which is in my view with the ok atually so exact this fhere of class

the angle of view of class would be that

there are

material objective substantially

formally definite and substantial

class formations that exist

that simply exists somehow

a

in a fixed way

and our minds

have no connection or our subjectivity

has no connection or relation to this all we can do

is recognized

but to me

there's two there's a few reasons why this is a complete betrayal

and complete deviation from oxist class analysis

first one is the fact

that it's a complete abstraction class

individuals are empirically real intangible and death

how is a class inper the real depth

times

so the first problem is that it's an abstrraction it's impossible

almost a bluff

but the second reason

of course

is the fact

that it gives rise to the very confusion

that bolshevism

lennon was responding to which is

for example

how is it that despite there is an objective class struggle

this it requires mediation

on a higher scale for example of the party form or

consciousness and idiology and

theory

and marxism itself

you know marxism itself doesn't come from the workers we all know that

so it gives rise to all those kinds of confusion y

so those are two problems i have with this

you class

yeah well so but i guess my main contingent really is like how

how does that

train of thinking or logic

for lack of a better word

how does that really formate or help build socialsm that is that ultimately our goal correct no goal is to lltablish and build social n

it's not

it's not

and this is something i just want to keep emphasizing and keep i'm sorry man

but i think that's a romantic view

i think the be view of a goal

socialism as a goal

his romantic view

i think there's a contradiction between individuals and society

and the the romantic way to respond to that is let's just change society

to correspond to our problems with

but

according to marx anglo had materials dialectic view

society itself is already in the process of the change

and to me

now in the twenty first right society has already changed

so

our goal is to awaken to this fact

and yes the consequences of that are revolutionary

because

the political establishment

for example the media and all that come they haven't caught up to the

so yes

that's where the real revolutions come

one of the reasons there's such a lack of communication between

myself and many other sources is because i'm coming from a background

heavily influenced by the iranian revolution

uranian river

which is a kind of hid garion and then also there's the chinese cultural revolution

none of these corresponded to some volunteeristic

a

volunteeristic intervention into the sphere of the economy

changes in the economy followed

or correspondedce to indirectly

some

i don't want to use the word spiritual awakening

then all the people wriight right but idealism i got you man i don't kind of existential revolution

and people make the mistake of saying

so just because because i've said before we live in socialism

and then people say so if we live in it

what's the point of doing anything

h i call that

human being

we are preemptitively caught

in our force

and are primordially

confronted with doing something

even when all of our goals are exhausted

we still find ourselves falling in the void

and working

force

being confronted with the fact that

we are working we are doing some

that's why i like to say

another reason i like to say with them in socialism

is because

everyone always tries to make the argument

everyone is always arguing a whatout does socialism work

this communism work

how do we prove it works

to me this is a way of resolving that problem

it we don't have to debate about whether it works as we're already living

it's already a

it already works

that's not our issue our issue isn't whether it works or not

it issues whether the issue is whether we can be up

task adequately up to task

to accepting this reality confronting this reality and embraceing

m right that you know i that spot on man w i don't in't

i would say that do you

so do you think that

at the end of the

game

the resolve is within our hands

you know i'm saying like us as working people

the resolve

to

overcome or continue the progress of history is in our hands or do you think that is an objective factoid

ill happen regardless is that is

that's my point there's no contradiction between

that it's objective

it's in reality

and that it's mediated

jet

there's no con

angles referred to this cont

as the foralced dichonomy

the dialectic

freedom and thees

freedom

freedom our subjective freedom

is insight into what is necessary and

the whole point is that

we can call the blub

even if we accept it's happening in objective reality

we are somehow still confronted with

the implications of that subject

can't escape or get out of

that confrontation

i

but another another thing toy i want to say is that i would do not consider myself

be the word

and i don't

consider you to be the worker or anyone in my chat to be the work

no one is individually the world

class is only something we can relate to indirect

even if we're

i s by some technical definition part of it

when we're speaking in subjective terms

we can only relate to our class essence

indirect

can never substantially

just arrive at it based on or personal experience

or personal

mmhmm

subjectivity

but but would

would would would you say that

you know when when i go to work

and i produce

for example i work in a factory that

produces grains you know or seeds for the farmers in our area

you know i'm saying what would you say that

when i go to work and i sell my labor and i do those things that there is

i'm

like there objectively is a contradiction between like the labor i do and the things i produce

and the where the boss that

you know lords over me

in

would you say that is that would an objective

that would be a cultural difference

it's similar to how we have parents

we're growing up it's similar to how we have school teachers who bosses are

lord over

i

i know there's a difference i know there's a difference

there's a difference in all those things i just mentioned

but that's more of a cultural thing that's my just i ges it's more about the culture of working range what for example for ill give you an example

when i was working in aware you know me and i really i

ok go ahead

yeah go ahead go ahead

when i was working in a warehouse for when you

the

do you want to win

i'm sorry you first

n know you first you first when i was working in a warehouse for a brief period

there was a culture of

you couldn't there was was a warehouse only like seven of us working in this big warehouse at

stright because we were the first ones there

h and there was a small office with a refrigerator

it just it was his door it was a door away in this big warehouse

and the rule was only the managers can go in the office we can

even tho's only seven of us

isn't that stupid

but that's workplace culture it's an issue of culture

yeah it's not that's not your self the material difference

yeah

i just

oh man i'm

i'm sorry i had a point i lost it though i'm sorr another thing from my old jobs is how

when there's nothing to be done and there's is a service sector jobs when there's no customers i don't know if you know you're familiar with how this works

they'll go tell you go go clean the windows even though they don't even need to be clean because they don't like to see you not having to do anything

yeat they're just trying to

they're trying to keep up the facade of work yeah exactly but but all that is cultural right that's cultural stuff

yeah i agree i agree socialism would entail a change in how that culture work

but i'm just trying to say we cannot reduce the material class relations to this cultural expression

but i think

i think that you know as far as like

i don't i don't know when when when you talk about

we already live under

socialism quote unquote

you know what i'm saying or when you talk about like

you know it

we we don't

we are trying to build or achieve

socialism you know i'm saying or that there is no progress towards that

i just feel like

because like me men like

at the end of the day what i want

is freedom for myself

i want freedom for the people that

you know i love

and freedom for my friends freedom for you and freed for wllom for the people that i care about and what do you think

those people

training on games stop

that's exactly what they want to

what do you think all those people right probably know them in reality who

telling you god get into four eggs and do all this

he was trying to get rich he was trying to do that's what they want to do on an individual level

that's what the majority how the majority articulated

very few of them

articulating this as we need to change society itself

because that's something intangible to them it's something that lacks concreteness to them

and

moreover they don't even have a notion of a common society that they can change

the problem is that

socialism as a technocratic fix to our problems

is something in its class nature today

coming from the professional managerial class

it's coming from people who work in institutions for a living

because those institutions are like socialist societies

where there already is some common social framework that they can feel they can implement policies

and change into all this other kind of stuff

but

for the majority of people the barrier to entry to accepting this idea that we can just change society

in a socialistic way and make it better

they're not going to buy it

promise you they're not going to buy

and i have this experience

intellectuals are more the y into it than than regular workers regular workers want to trade for x

regular workers want to trade game stop on the robin hood

nobody wants it

isn't is it't that not but that is not really

i mean i

i don't want to pass the blame here but that's not necessarily like

their fault

you know i'm saying i go to work and i talk about unionization every single day man i push this stup every single

day but you're right you're right though nobody listens to me

nobody listens to me

but that is not

i

i don't hate them or i don't blame them because

as i understand again

the his yeah the historical necessity of capital and the way it has influenced the minds of these people but i foror generations even before they were born but i'm even more generous i'm seeing in a sense their rights

we need to learn from them there was

what are what are they wright about

because they are right about some

they're right about the fact

that

socialism in a sense is dealing with abstractions

dealing with something so beyond

what is common to them and what is conceivable to them

that again there's a reason why it's popular among brooklyn graduate students and universities and it's not popular among the workers you're talking about

the general masses

and the general masses of course

and to me instead of being condescending and saying

they don't know any better

or being worse which is what the brooklyn people are doing and saying

they're just scum and they're low lowly plebeians and they're not advanced as as we are

i say we learn from their wisdom and we at infrared

have learned from there was right

we're trying to

and this is why we're saying things like we live in socialism already

because

like i said

it's so much more powerful just to say

that

the whole thing the whole capital because capitalism actually abstractly is a good thing

everyone knows that this is a dog eat dog brutal and vicious world

and everyone wants an opportunity to be able to fight in it no one's going to

accept this idea that suddenly we're all going to become angels and we're not going to want to eat each other anymore

but when you tell them and you show them

how it's already rigged in such a way

and we already live may as well we're already living in sources menicense we're already in the thick of

that changes

that changes

i think there's a reason why most working people are conservative

because conservatives don't focus on

future societies

and future changes

they focus on the simple question of what is being now what is it now

it is

and so when i say we all right live the right right i know what the optics of that are

and every time i've had an encounter with regular ordinary people

it's much more persuasive what i'm saying

today

they find it so much more persuasive than

when i used to say things like

oh you're just blinded by capitalist idiology or something like

you know

yeah no yeat you

youre now that that's

that's right man that's totally right i can i can totally agree with that because

you know it's

we want

we want to tap into that

you know what i'm saying

we we want to tap into that and look

the way that you go about it i think definitely that approach is much better than

inan the way that i have been going about it myself you're right you're right man you're totally right

yeah i mean

you know we're not

that and the most of the flak we've been getting has been coming from intellectual

been coming from

people who are fsing too much on

the implication for the definitions

theory they're familiar with

right off the bat

i'm telling you this is way more persuasive and successful

just saying

when you're talking what socialism for example trump supporters are going to

you know it's interesting

you want to

talk about what's giving socialism

brand recognition it's not left is it's trues last election fron you'd see people say oh they want to implement socialism and they want to

you know that's what trump supporters working class trump supporters would be saying and i would respond to i mean

you know those people have been doing that since obama though i mean i think that

i think really if you go back

i mean you can go back hundreds of years back into america

hisy man and

the specter of socialism and the specter of communism

has never not been there you know what i'm saying i think that

it's just becoming such a

necessity of our time

that it is that that those people are you know it's becoming that imperative now

do you want to know my cynicism about why socialism became popular in america again

i think it's because americans realize that they failed that capitalism

so now they're finally turning to socialism after china beat them at their own game

is that the

yeah i don't

i know man and like men i make

i make under fifteen thousand dollars a year

man

you know

i'm as far as american centers go like

i'm relatively poor

you know what i'm saying

and like i know from my personal interactions with people that i've had

across

my life man i've lived in

the slums man i've lived in the street you know i'm saying i've lived around people that are just have nothing man nothing but the shirt on their back dude

and you know i think that

these people you know

and me and me man like we're we're looking for

a solution we're looking for a way

out of

this situation we're in

you know i'm saying and like that is

i think at the end of the day man like you know

really

that it regardless of all of our theoretical thinking and all of our philosophy and stuff like that

i think

that's really what we all want man we want a way out of this alienating society we want a way out of this

drudgery

and things like that and what i think that if we haven't what if we just haven't to waken to the fact

that the society we're calling alienates

evil and stuff

is in actuality already reconciled

in that

the reason

for

the suffering is

drudgery and stuff you're talking about

is because

it's because it's almost like knocking on an open door it's not that

society

at this fundamental level must be

essentially materially change the change materially is already happening but for example we talk about land

why must

individual man

or woman

go through the humiliation of all of this trudge and toil

working bullshit service sector jobs that aren't even needed in our society

why can they not be afforded the dignity of having their own

plot proverbial plot of land

the have

some some solid ground to stand upon

right

people don't even have solid ground to stand upon

they don't even have a basis a baseline to begin with

to even have an opportunity to go into the capitalist market or what

they don't even have

this solid

baseline they're thrown out into the street

and they're expected

to pull themselves up

from thin falcon air

and nowhere in the history of humanity

could people thrive in that way

it's not meant for human beings to not have

a solid

ground to stand upon a solid base of their own

to stand up

we don't need to invent

abstractions about society as a whole and

creating socialism

when we can just say

give the land proverbial land it doesn't have to be land directly but give the land back to the people

the land is already here

and if it's not land it could be something else i don't know i don't have all the answers

but i know

land reform

in essence has a decisive

really important signific

to me

i think of socialists in america

we're premising their position on the bank i'm sorry my computer is flag like crazy

can you hear me

yeah can you

this argument

spuck and laglight

crazy

i mean

yeah but you know i

i mean what you're saying isn't wrong you know but i just think that

and it's a hard thing to overcome because i guess that

you know i want

i just

like i said i want that that freedom you know that desire for something more all than what we have in the current state of think it's the nature of mankind

you

not simply want an extra freedom

but it's simply the fact that our modern society

is not made for human beings

it's not cut out for human beings

human beings are not ok for this type of

modern modern society we live in where you thrown out onto the street

nothing at all

no family no bonds no community

nothing nothing at all

yeah tol yeah yeah to

from scratch from nothing from me heal from the void

to make something of yourself

it's not it's not yeah simply yeat

right man eah it's not in the history of mankind there has always been tradition

hare's always been

passing down through generations

land or something

cattle or horses i don't care what it is

it's never been like

in the history of human but there's been that that connect

yeah there's always been a

yeah baseline people could go ou even if they were slaves in ancient egypt or rome or some

least you

your life is somehow meaningful

you know

yeah

yeah yeah at least there's some guarantee i that stability in

existence

but that

does that not beg the question i mean how do we

how do we change

what we have currently

because that's correct that's totally correct man i mean like

the level of alienation i feel on a day to day basis is way

way crazy

very high

you know what i'm saying

and it's just that just begs the how do i change that how i fix that meant

and that's really what i think socialists what men that's what communists whatt want

i you

the the

the wisdom of marxism is that it teaches us

the point is not to change

so to speak in this volunteistic way

a this bad thing

the point is to awaken to the courage

that it's always that

our freedom as you're calling it

has been under our noses this entire time

the land has been under our feet yes enti yeah it's already

belongs to usyes we just have to take it

for for what for what twenty thousand years for three thousand years how long have we had a class society

even before you know how long

it's it even um

it's not just class society what we're talking about is something unique

to the modern times

because even in a class right i right right even in a class societies had some sort of communism

marks was very

m liberal about how he use that word communism by the way

he would talk about there was yeah sometime communism with the indians and the russians and they're kind of

peasant commune you know or the peasant and let them

in what

yeah yeah

ad the peasantry under feudal society yeah yeah he would describe them as a

yeah it's why the first some of the first socialists were

fudile socialists you know

feudile socialist

yeah

uh

because

there was an immediate association of socialism with the return to the stability

of the futile arrangements that

peasants had you know because

as bad as those were

and with the modern society peasants were thrown out onto the street with no land and nothing

nothing to their name

they had nothing else

you know

and that was you know that was on

i was watching men i was watching a speech by caleb mopp and i know that name kind of start around and people kind of mean him but i think that caleb moppin has

some very acute historical knowledge

man and he was talking about rome

and the uniqueness of rome

and how rome

was one of the only civilizations in history

that had like

it had really all the class it has it had slave classes it had proletarian classes and it had the kings you know and the senate and stuff like that

and it's so interesting talk about rome because

at the end of the game

it was not a th

who down rome or the sup very oppressed classes like that

but it was the proletarian masses

that assaulted rome and cause rome to degrade

is today which is basically nothing you know it went from the biggest superpower on the planet

to nothing and the proletarians did that

because

again of land reform and things like that and the desire for something more you know and that's so that's so interesting that it's so very interesting talk about

and i think about men i love thinking about rome

like that h it's not just rome either believe it or not this is been the same story for all empires and civilizations

across the history of mankind this is been the crux of the class struggle

now marxists today are going to try to sell you this idea

that class struggle

is simply between the most oppressed group

and the biggest

oppressor group the slaves versus the lord

but in the history of the class trouble right

it was never this direct on

never thisy

even for example slave rebellions in

the islamic

the society the zans rebellion

the zan slaves

first thing they did

after the rebellion is it was a pragmatic rebellion they took

the former masters of slaves

and they just continued life as before for brief period

they didn't have a vision of abolishing slavery or anything like that it was a pragmatic

that's so that that's interesting because like

you know when i think of like

my

quote unquote rebellion against the establised order

you know i try and envision

that future of what i would want

you know what i'm saying like it's like if youre have you ever read the book capitalist realism

but mark with you know it

yeah yeah you know one of the points he tried to drive home was that

we

you know

currently

we'd lack like our forefathers

when they unionize

and things like that in america at least in america i'm speaking american specifically

right now but my forefathers you know our forefathers

they

they tried they had a vision of the future you know what i'm saying

and like

mark fisher is trying to drive home that we lack that we lack that vision of the future

that the

that q would say

the the

the state of the world after the revolution

you know what i'm saying

but we ho

it

and that's what

we i feel like

we need to bring we need to understand that but also at the same time i mean you raise some valid points about

holp

spontaneous revolutions

just kind of

you know occurred like that

you know what i'm saying i you know

did that make sense i'm sorry yeah i think

one of the confusions

of the

the capitalist realism

about the past was that

in the nineteenth century it was very clear there was a future coming into being

objected

that's why there was the sense of a

future people didn't just have a vision of the future

that was more effective

and i

and triumphed over all the other ones

but another thing that i just want to stress and we call this project

at infrared we call it new objectivity

what i want to stress is that we can't take for granted

our present objective reality

we know some things about it

for example

we know the extrue cruciating contradiction between our inner humanity

our inner human sense of dignity

and the conditions of life

the majority of

human beings in our

country

and all countries are forced to endure and deal with

we know that

but what if what is actually in truly objective

somehow reconciles that contradiction such that we don't need to envision

a different future

we can just stay true to what really is right in front of our noses in the present

stay here in the present

and say why do we let the elites

have a monopoly over what our presen is

that's where i'm coming from why do we give the mainstream media the monopoly over what our presen is

why do we keep giving them this monopoly over what our presence is

what if they're wrong about the nature of our presence and

what if

it already belongs to us

and we just haven't awakened to this fact

year

well i you know that's i mean that's that's an interesting

way to think about it man

you know i think that

i think igain i think that's pretty spot on you know i'm saying

i just u

i don't know i don't have intendance at this point man i think you've made some very valid points

and i'm really glad that you came on a stream and i admire your

bravery and the

you're bo you're not i want to say boldness because

i kind of mean something different

to come on but

i admire your bravery and your confidence

and i only wish

our critics

were as brave and gracious

and ciml as you are

like the guy in chat now

se

i want to drop raight

drama but

i only wish

all of our haters

mustard the courage

and the grace

do what you're doing now and i respect you a lot

thank you yeah i respect two men

you know you give me a you give me a lot of thin to think about man

you know i have never i have never

i mean like i said i've always understood

things in that

formal progression and logic

i'm saying and

i

i mean when it when when

i am you know at the end of the day i guess wrong for lack of a better word

you know what i'm saying

i'm willing to accept learn from that you know i'm saying

i think we're only wrong when we

knock on an open door and just

seal it tight and just make assumptions

and

to be fair

you didn't necessarily

do that just by having

certain

views about

logic

it's just that

hopefully maybe i've just expanded the horizon of what you

consider

yes to think yeah yeah

yeah yeah man yeah so you know i saly i definitely have a different

it's only when we plant our feet in the ground and say

this is all that's possible everything else is nonsense

most of my critics

only then are we committing the error

this kind of dogmatism

stuff like

yeah

yeah

well

all right mister hoes

if that i don't know that's what everybody calls you it's what i think i think i'm going to go ahead and get off street now

i yeah thank you for coming on yeah but thank you very much for the conversation and

yeah yeah definitely men take it easy

you su

okay

here we go

sordy that was a really great

but we have to

immediately go on a bad note

his whole time

saves the little bitch came back from from fuking his

doing his true trade unionist shit

itdmitting he's a fucking loser he's no better than me according to his own standards

i'm just a loser streamer but he has nothing better to do than be in my fucking chat

siege everyone agreed you were dominated mentally

and every time you show your face on lefty pool now or anywhere on the internet when you're using that handle sage

everyone's going to remember he was the dumb assho was blown the fuck out by hod

you know

and sage how does this make you feel

by the way

how does this make you feel

make you feel good

how does this make you feel sage look what i can do sage i can broadcast

to an audience this

this string of words you're trying to resist

and you're trying to deny

so bad

so badly

i can do this and you can

i can do this and you can't see

how about them ap

ok let's skim

skim skim skim

ok

it's capitalism it's still fucking capitalism

elements of socialism exist within capitalism just as elements within capitalism exist within socialism

so why is it capitalism that what if we just

what if i'm saying it's socialism and there's elements of capitalism that exist within socialism

here's my question

and no one ever adequately responses to this

why do we live in capitalism according to them

essentially why is it essentially capitalism

because long as this infrastructure is held privately

well private property has changed so profoundly i don't know what you mean by this

it's not really private

in the nineteenth century sense

now is it

and maintained by capital accumulation

more than it's socialism socialism also requires capital accumulation

and needs to be maintained by capital

acumulation if you mean the circuits of m c m

that also is that's also there and socialism

capital accumulation is no longer

the focal point

of our society

it's no longer what actually is the

what's running these big companies and all this stuff

capital ac cumulation is just

information

' information about whether

an enterprise is successful or if it's a failure

but the main goal is not capital accumulation anymore

you're living in the past toud it's just not

this might give him a

hard on

saet of so many threads on the boards to check them out to and make this fresh

i'm i'm done after this threat i'm done with this kind of stuff you know this is going to be the last one we're more than halfway through

this seems to their point they argue the socialt part of the dialectic has become the dum

isn't it that simple

that

if you want to

makes sense

come no we don't have to come up with new names just explain this

and possib we do whatever stupid shit that makes your stupid score go up

actually believe it or not we had sixty viewers in the beginning and i fucked it up because i'm on here

people don't want to see this shit but i'm doing it anyway

so i'm not just doing things toake my stupid score go up

dumb ass

on

yeah dude

you sound like an idiot i just exp prove it explain it so may time

this isn't a fucky new thing

inn said

live in a planned economy that is controlled by the bougeoisie

what's not about us living in a plannt economy

that's the twentye percent

it's yeah we do live in a planned economy but

it's also increasingly

subject to a socialist political

economy

is there goo thround bunker chairk

actually being around for a long time isn't

every good thing in that case of sage he has been around for so long but he has never read theory

nobody's a she's a trade union

organizer

and he's doing a lot of things in life

real life itself

so

all of that stuff is just disguising his real life achieve

so don't worry about

n know maybe it's bad propaganda

guys ok this is what i was referring to

this is what i was referring to

thing about the optics

ok

regarding our optics

in our first video go to our live streams

and click

infrad response to the haters

literally one of the first points i make is responding to a guy

saying that it's bad optics to say we live in social

and i address that

very thoroughly

ten streams ago

ten streams ago

how you should debate to respond to use of

respond to him about what would he say

don't be one hundred percent done with the site just limit your yeah i'm going to be done with this threat

until you guys tell me to come back

after this

i

yeah our video we live in socialism

regular people like this video

we had great feedback as far as this video was concerned

by regular people

it's the nerds on lefty pole who dragged us through the mud

and made us go through all this shit explaining it

but regular people didn't have a problem with

it's not bad propaganda

ok

i

yeah he's right we didn't have to go through the fire of this shit

you know

i

they're trying to build a synthesis between marxs and high degree that in their vision could work better for the west a prem

the problem is effverts use being at least analysis of kermas yournition the uus

believe it or not

all we wanted infrared to be

was the concrete material analysis type of thing

right

we wanted it to be that at first

but the problem was that everyone was more interested in our theoretical background

that's why we focusing talking about hoi to go and all this stuff

it's because it's what people wanted

and it's because people

we're giving a haranguing us about theoretical pandemtic

details

when o when all we wanted to do was do this efforst

ons stream

that's really the issue

and then being kind of hostile towards cockshot and mixed feelings about the prot caled guys

i have mixed feeings about it because i watched the video i don't like the style

it' all i know about

and i don't feel like we're in a position to work on policy

i think we can analyze existing

things like medicare for all things out there

we're not in a position to work on policies and create panaceas

for the future as clockwork panaceas mark called them ok sages back

if you don't like unions you're not a leninist

you're a fucking idiot sage

i just said unions aren't to be all end all i didn't say i didn't like them

i just said you're fucking

worshipping them like they're the fucking

pinnacle of class struggle in the twenty first century and they're not

in strikes a direct action

nope read the sign don't be tapped the sign

tapping the sign see tapping the sign

and i've read more through and that you all of you i

is the thing

you have a red shit you dnmb fuk

and youve read a single book about organizing

well clely didn't do you too well saved otherwise why you fuck around in my chat

because you need validation because you know what you're doing is vain in life and you're at a dead end it's not going to you anywhere

so maybe read another book

because you're in my chat right now you're in my turf

capital dowt it

no sage i haven't read capital the book everyone's fucking familiar with

i have red capital

not enough theory too much theory yeah exactly

you people are hilarious

hands up here if you've

ever done anything for the left at all

here we go with the christian suffering dude

no one cares about your credentials you haven't done anything because

just because you've expended effort doesn't mean shit

i spend more energy in the gym every day

then you do organizing for the left to why do you see me bragging about and saying oh look on whatmuch i'm suffering and houfing and puffing

dude

it's like it's so weird it's that would be like me bragging about how much suffering and pain i go through in the gym

for what

what does that prove

like it's my business if i'm going to do that

if it gets you off to

struggle for the left in vain

just like how i go to the gym

if you know

that's not my problem

that's it's your business

made me a sign

eah because the know what triggers you so much

you don't squat so your gym is used

was sige what if i can avoid a gym how you're such a

you such a ruling class

such a ruling class of leaders

because i can't afford one

i don't care about squatting

good

if you don't squat you literally might as well not go to the gym

i disagree with that dude i'm upper body strength all the way

but is just

i

planning to address

this is a

offender

way the criticized cok sht for being utopian

guys here's what i want to say about cockshot

the thing is about cockshot is that

i'm not impressed with the idea

that yes communism can work

i think why don't i just say we already live in socialism and i'm not impressed with the idea that communism can work

the main thing

that people are hung up on is whether it can work or not

you know that's what everyone's obsessing over so when i say we already live in socialism

maybe there's a reason it's so effective for normal people

instead of marxist nurded reason so effective

is precisely because everyone so hung up about whether it works or not

cox us trying to go out of his way to prove hypothetically that with computers

we could have a directly planned economy

i have a few problems with that though

i don't

think

i think he's too easily bypassing the human element

abstractly we can do it

but why isn't it that no one's listening to cockshot and implement

well cockshot

or his defenders

not trying to diss them

but they might tell you something like whatll people are too stupid or bgo ideologies too strong i think those are excuses i think you can't bypass the human element

you have to deal with these

but

i'm not denying cockshots

thing

i'm just saying

i don't think this is actually the

overcoming the hurdle people are having

with this whole thing about socialism not worth

comed is not worth

it's not because they think it won't work empirically

because they wan't they don't think it's compatible with their living being their daily lives itself on this personal level

what you think what cockshots both labor avose

i

i'm not too familiar with it but

i don't like

i like things that draw from current reality

you know draw from tendencies that you can discern actual reality

if we can get to power guys

if we ca get to power

you can literally do anything

you cold have all sorts of crazy mad scientists

you know implement all sorts of policies

and it'd be fine you could literally go to the moon experimenting in bag doing whatever you want

but you can't put the card before the horse our issue is acquiring power

our issue is winning the hearts and minds

the math

our issue is

building a movee

speak

millions and millions

people with minimal barrier

that's our issue

our issue isn't about what we're going to do after the revolution

that's the easy part

sage ask you to squat

skipped i did skip like day on friday

but i usually have it on friday

i mean barbel squads

it

need to do core

i don't feel like i

hero towards a new socialism as a policy program for the u s asard to try to save it

but the u s asar dissolved before he published it

that's very interesting

that's where that's really interesting actually that's really interesting

i didn't know that yeah you just you just educated me i didn't know that

so i find that really interesting

that's yeah that's that's a lot more interesting

there's also rudolph bahro who is trying to do the same thing a guy rudolph bahro

in his book

what is his book called again

the alternative in eastern europe

he kind of had something similar going on

on

right sorry

this guy's defending me so i'll leave him to that

thank you ma'am

appreciate it

infrared definitely good insight i want to gret with movement system that's fine

there's no tendency toward decentralization there is there's a clear dense tendency toward decentralization

and this is a really good example of it it's not the only one

but this one should immediately make something click

what is the origin of silicon valley

before silicon valley you had a specific arrangement beween the government

institutions and universities research scientific research

in relationship to capital rights industry

that

system that structure became decentralized in silicon valley

so there is this institutional decentralization that has happened

every decentralization corresponds to a centralization and vice versa granted yes

but

that's why

it's so complicated

socialism of the twentieth century has been decentralized

the central

commons of socialism has also become more centralized than it was

four

in china it's rendered explicit in the us

it's a missing

it's a missing thing

it's wis

political superstructures collapsing

is because it's not up to task to this new

central superstructure of socialism that's already explicitly in place

in china

so the forces of production have already

the

opened a vacuum

for socialism with american characteristics

but the superstructure hasn't caught up to it

more or less

this is this is your hometown for your bend

not initially it wasn't when we made the sources and video we don't know anything about left people

if you get very loud booze here the boom will physically push you off stage elsewhere

maybe we will have to go elsewhere sometime i don't know

but not yet

sixty five percent of people on left people like us

when fifty one percent of left people on left people don't like us

i promise we'll stop going on the website

we're only doing it because they found us and they like

he was almost hired by the chinese planning ministry ninety two

it was turned on because he was a foreigner

max hesne's very interesting you guys are educating you about things i didn't know

i didn't know that

i didn't know that

if you think about how much stock is bought and sold by bots ourconomy is right now basically planned by robots

yeah that's another thing no one's talking about

the anglo mindset the jewish mindset fucking stop

ok

this is like the reverse racism card

i

i you're saying it's the same thing as anti semitism

it's not

because it is an anti semitism

point to me where the anglos were subject to a holocaust

they weren't

to stop being a baby

it decentralized and i'm not talking about

the anglos just as a conspiratorial cabal

i don't think

yeah you don't know what you're talk about

the decentralization compared to say capitals with first serces

decentralization is the opposite of what capital does

so he live in socialism we just admitted it

that's the maintakwa for marxism

yeah that's why we live in socialism how about that

how about that i agree with this actually

i agree with this

i agree with the idea that socialism is decentralization

i think that was my point though what wasn't it

has mentioned he doesn't think much of cockshot

i just i'm just i just don't

doubts that

he has a plan

of some kind

and it could work

that's i'm not impressed by it though

think they should read some cautious taken philosophy

yeah i think i know that because i know cox shot rejects the dialect

that immediately makes me suspicious of

a

you know stroples can be rigged with something as simple as the v p did you guys rig it in our favor

i think let people tried to get bolivia to talk

a cockshot for planning

jews maybe some there but i think planning everything

anglos is a bad move

i think the auperior view is to like casaid

when we were talking

to explain things in a material way

yeah

whenever someone presses me individually

i'll do that rate but

i think most people get it when i talk about anglos

to specific type of mentality

you know

just a specific mentality

specifically yes in relationship to

continental think

high degree and

but also a lot of other

yeah i notice left ppole is very big on cox i know i notice that

that's not why we called it utopian

but like someone said in the chat

he wrote it at the time the uus aar was about to dissolve

so fair play on the

but still this idea that we have the only way socialism can prove

itself is by creating

a plan for the future society

is kind of topian that's kind of where i was coming

you're not defining sourceis and congressors

yeah but i've done all this come on my stream

and i'll do all this for you

which i've already done

ok i've explained why this is

the proper definition encounter no issue

be not no rok

speak there is a

big rd

big rok big time

i can explain to why nineteenth century capitalism is gone

and why it's effective to speak of

socialism as the dominant dialect

not effective at all not only because the average person is not going to be able to understand the additional edological background

but read watch our first video and i address this argument exactly

ok

i told you already

that you're being frugal with a contradiction which is my original argument

this is in contradiction to the entire superstructure of society

that we live in socialism

they're telling you we live in free market capitalism but we're living in socialsm

that means there's a contradiction

contradiction entails a violen

revolution against the status quo

by violent f b i i mean like

metaphor

don't call me

i mean like a

they

extreme

rebellion against the status quo

don't take it for granted

you know

don't ever take things for granted

you're taking it for granted dude you're taking objectivity for granted

you think that you know what things are objectively because the way they're mediated

the mediation of the objective in the objective are two different things

the status quo you're talking about

is a subjective mediation of our objective realities

it's not the same as the objective reality

dishonestly you're trying to make it seem like what i'm saying

is that the status quo

is the same as socialism and that moreover

we can just

remove the socialism and will return to the old capitalism

but i'm saying the opposite

what i'm saying

is that socialism

is now the only game in town

and there's not even a competition

i'm saying socialism is the only game in town

there's no going back to capitalism

yes we're living in socialism

but there's no escaping the socialism

the more you try to escape it the more you're in it

the more you try to oppose socialism the more socialistic you become

libertarians

so they have to define themselves in a social

way

they have to

prove that there

the ideology is good because it's

benefits everyone

better

same thing is true for the conservatives in the republican

and the liberal

they all have to define themselves in socialistic terms

there's no escaping socialism

because socium is the only game in town

and that's not my experience what you're saying

this is socialism whoa this sucks

no

what is this is something you're taking for granted

revolutions don't happen when you propose a future

society

and i say we can just do this

revolutions happen

when people wake int to the fact

that the reality under their nose

contradicts

what the people in power

are telling

that's how political revolutions

ok

you're really wrong about

the majority of masses are conservative

for exactly the reason you're wrong

they focus on what reality is

not what it should

neat every time he spams just delete his comments

delete his comment

he can only say one sentence once

so when was capitalism

the

it's there's never a discrete cutof point

you know how many if you have a grains of sand

how much at what point does a grain of sand become a pile of

you know

there's no discrete cut off

can only speak of

orientation

and only

speak it in a dialogue

ok timeout timeout sage for like

five minutes

time out for like five minutes

let's delete all these and just

time out for five minutes

i'm going know i want sage to witness his ruin

next sam is a time up

ok yeah he's timed out

what a bitz

hh

and then if you keep spamming after the five minutes

he's going to be timed off for thirty minutes

until probably

until next stream w'll be timed out

yeah that's seg

sage did not debate me yet no mama ha jolis pizzeria he's been that much of a pussy he still hasn't debated

he's still does been my chat spamming in trying to bother me

i

you're very wrong about this

you're very wrong

because and i need you to bear this in mind

this mem of ours from infrared

is derived from the popular view that we have socialism for the rich

or that we live in socialism already

and that america is a mix between solcialsm and capital

these are already popular views it's just that marxist nerds have a problem

those these those phrases that we live in socialism for the rich is very popular

populistic and very popular

since when is communismbu conjoining yeah

i agree

houses an idealist

and his worst res are economically illiterate

but he hasn't proven it in any way

house completely misses the point of marks

and it's completely wrong what marxis value theory

ok

smy

an analysis of economic conditions and moels is not alien to marxism

when did i say it was

i'm not sure when i said it was

to say this is what has does is hilarious

i agree i agree ustream i haven't engaged in an analysis of economic conditions

and models whatever that's supposed to mean

and dit dealt with math i've been dealing with this other stuff

because

you left the pool

wanted me to

you lefty pool

challenge me

you left people are the reason i'm not doing that

kind of stuff

i'd love to just jump into

having concrete analysis and stuff like that

but it seems like there's a lot of hurdles we have to get through before i can do that

because people are going to harass me and he wrong me about our theoretical foundation

which our group infrared have been over for a long time

we don't just focus on theory all day

ok

actually infrared very rarely

focuses on theory in two thousand and twenty one or twenty twenty all we do is make concrete analysis

because we're used to the theory

you're the ones cajoling me

and herounding me and harassing me about theory

that's why you calling me an idealist

idiot

anything has work a is a regression of marxismcause wll project is to construct a model that is better thanother model

so

in what meaningful sense

is my project

to construct a model than other models i haven't put forward a model i haven't talked about models once

you're talking out of your ass

talking out of your ass

what a weird picture to

marx did not construct economic models

when did we construct that were you getting economic models

seea marxs description of socialsm the same a how his model

we didn't create a model of socialism you dip shit

i never created a model

is basically to accuse marx of being

i spoke of a socialist political economy

so what

that's not a model i didn't create an airtight system or some kind of projected model

not even audam smith or class blu was constructed models

i didn't construct a model

i said there's a socialist political economy that should be analyzed

and if you

knew what i was talking about

you don't understand what i'm trying to say and what i mean

but you consistently refused to do that because you're hung up on words and definitions

get over it you fucking moron

marx's description of sourcialsm and communism informed by his critique of economic categories

and treason of birth as was heor

no he never spoke of abolitions

that's your thing he never spoke abolition he spoke off he

sublays

guilty

he didn't speak of abolition

you didn't speak of aboliution

now once

ha is an incredible cliod

you can't abolish capitalism

capitalism isn't a policy

only things that can be abolished are

political policies and shit like

and institutions can be abolished

capitalis mi ising in

can't be abolished

hases an incredible clown i absolualely despise him

but we're growing and we're success

so

living rent free in your head

he belongs to the parasites and leeches of the labeor

where's your labor movement

you think left py pole is a labor movement

ok

what up composerly

um

wire strikes direct action but don't call

yeah i explained them earlier in the stream i'm kind of exhausted ra i don't want to

i don't want to

i explained it earlier in the stream today

know you

everything i don't

effective strikes are corded yeah

you guys got

where he describes the reproduction of total social capital

marks models of simple reproduction involve the departments of production toparmments wana

ok i unders sane what you're saying

daniel

ders what you're saying this that i never talked about models

i never talked about it

so private wealth and ownership does not need to be ownership of capital

the look at powers i sing

eugenice sc is a

interesting guy he's not

he's more about philosophy than presenting an economicous view well i want to get into this

it's just that i can't because everyone wants to focus on the philosophy's stony

it's not my fault that i'm

that the thing you're getting out of me the most is philosophy

for all of you i'm sor

bausically chining let's go forree economists

means nothing of course capital presented a model

the are smart

yet

um not necessarily

i'm definitely saying

that people take issue with our philosophical premises which are anti philosophical

so i want people to have to not have to care about philosophy anymore

i do want that but i feel like

you still are engaging in philosophical abstractions and metaphysics and all this stuff and you're not freed from the meal

yeah rais redeemed

raise redeme to sent a reduction of their redeeme

is so security through corporate abundance a strong

is that nineteent twentieth century though that's the twentieth century

m

direct strikes are act

they're not direct that

strikes direct

are act

action strikes are direct

you have no idea about striking elem o

but sage everyone agreed you were mentally dominated

earlier in the stream

so i feel like you were the one

who has no idea

and you were the one who was defeated

i feel bad for you say

you are so defeated and done for save

you have no idea dude

you're never going to be able to show your face without people mentioning

how badly

your bit jazz

god bless

conks philosophy is folk and useless hasus crings this is a philosophy it's postwossy

i think it is anti philosophy

i think it is anti philosophy

philosophy begins from a to a

and i

i want to deliver people to the sense

mess pretending to be a leftist and not having trade union consciousness

imagine still speaking in terms of the cad the rigid

phrases of the

nineteenth and twentieth centur early twentieth century

and thinking this applies to the twenty first

even though you're the own results of your actions have led you down a rabbit hole

so miserable in its full of so much failure

that he have to come and houses you tube live stream

to get social validation because you know in your heart you're down a path of failure

where those concepts got you sage nowhere

nowhere

trade union consciousness got you nowhere

that's why you're in my stream

because it got you nowhere

got you no where

what do you know about them sage why are you in my stream

what do you know about them

if you're in my stream

sounds like you don't know anything about them

because if they did anything good for you and you knew anything important about them you want to be on my streaen dicking around and fucking around

what experiences do you have with them

none

why are you bragging about it in my chatel is my question

sounds a good i don't need any experience with them

if the only result of that experience is that i'm going to be dicking around on a you tube live stream chat

isn't it better that i just live stream and go right to the

cut to the chase itself

according to you

according to you

the result

of that experience

is dicking around on the internet

idiot

well why do you feel like you can talk about it then

because i can see the results

i can see the results

i am adequately able and capable of seeing the results

why would you talk about unions w you said you don't know

i'm saying you don't know either that's why you're in my chak

they cleuarly they don't amount to anything

in't i'm calling your bluff sage you don't have any experience with them in any meaningful or significan

way

else why would you be in my chat

why are you in my chat then

exactly

exactly

yes

according to sege

i have to jump off a cliff

for knowing due it's a stupid thing to do

right

now you don't say

no you haven't

no

you haven't

otherwise why you here

i know their direct action no they're not though they're not

they're not

they're not though

strikes a

here's what

i can do sage

strikes are not direct

action

can i not organize and be here no you can't

because you're a fucking loser

because if you were successful you wouldn't be here

you definitely wouldant to be here if you were successful

if you were successful

you wouldn't be here

fucking loser

okay

already

did

dib shit

anglos are so mad i know they're mad dude anglo has nothing to do with race yeah

i just want to push you hard when i'm not going anywhere until you get a poll with fifty one percent don't want

too bad too bad so said

and what are you doing by the way

on lefty poole that's getting you anywhere

twenty twenty one dude

wake up

wait the fuck up

can you swant a dra pieces close anally posphy he is he is

jordan peterson

is draws from

vulgar

determinism biological determinism

and all that good stuff and cognitive all the

jordan peterson is up the alley of the new atheists and all those types of people

yeah i know he has spiritualist posturing

i guess what you also a new age new agery is also angle

because it's metaphysical jordan peterson is metaphysical

right

dogan for example isn't going to sell you

crystal oils like alex jones or something do going is just going to say at the astral level

there's some

something going on and you know

whatever

but dougan isn' going to be like hey he have these couff these crystals in this in to save your life

jordan peterson is a vulgar metaphysician

who does think in those terms

so that's the difference

f is the best

can be s bros of ner sanding philosophy i reading angle mean over and over again

weill stop making us repeaate it dude because the pattern keeps repeating itself over and over again

keep revealing how anglo you are before you say anyone who disagrees with me is an anglo

it's clearly not true plenty of people have disagreed with me

and i haven't called them anglo

so you're wrong

it's your attitude that's angle

that's the source of the anglo mean

and no you're not being dialect

and i've explained why i've always explained why i use it

that's a difference

i've explained why i use it i don't just use it i explain why to

ninety percent words ha no i don't get it from one source

i get it from all the sources

you know

it's not just the dugan thing

what if the point is that ugan himself is drawing from this

common

intuitive

fact

ugan is giving an expression in his special way

plenty of others give expression to it in their own special way

it isn't just do it

oh man

what am i missing

s what sage is like

want to copy that

this is what sages like

and

to

be lean

fox

ok there let me talk to you

guys this is sage this is sage ready

gords in are you implying that what you're doing isn't success i think it is successful i think it's successful

that i'm averaging fifty now last week was forty in the week before that was thirty

and this saturday i reached the peak of seventy viewers

so we're clearly growing we're growing in subscribers

we're well past five hundred folking subs

so i think what i am doing is a successful

let me explain to you something sage in good faith in good faith say

faith sake

listen to this wisdom

listen to this wisdom

in good faith saves listen to this was

th

listen

you have two options in life

when you want to get something done

and convince people

to agree with

you can go on the internet

and st the same thing over and over again

and when it doesn't yield the result you wanted to you can just say everyone else is stupid

and you're smarter

or you can

go back to the drawing board

and maybe rethink about what you're doing

now if infrared wasn't consistently growing in experiencing all the success it was

we would be forced to go back to the drawing board and rethink our approach

and come back

with something better

because it would be our fault

but sat

you're a guy who's been on lefty poll for so long

arguing with people for so long

you've been in my chat

for so long

and it hasn't gotten you anywhere

at no point

have you thought about going back to the drawing board

and rethinking your approach

you keep doing the same thing

over and over again

expecting a different result

and blaming others

that they're too stupid to see

your trade union consciousness and insight

infrared is just a newspaper

ok

but guess what

this newspaper is the prevailing form of

communication in our society

newspapers were the prevailing form of communication

over one hundred years ago

do you see the difference

i don't think you see the difference

you keep doing the same thing over and over again

instead of going back to the drawing board and questioning that maybe you're doing it wrong

see

leftists have been at this

for three four decades

do you really think they haven't been successful just because of material conditions

maybe they're doing it a little bit wrong

and even if you think infrared

is going to go down the wrong path

here's my question

for you

if you've never seen someone like infrared before

if you've never seen a collective like ours or a channel like ours or mentality approach

like ours

one second

my fuck and zoom just

crash for some

if you've never seen an approach

like ours

and you've never seen anything

like us

why don't you just give us the benefit

of curiosity

watch us fail

and see how we're going to fail

why are you so caught up in preemptively forcing failure upon us

when there's been nothing like us before

we aren't tried and tested

yet

so

when we do fail maybe then you can say

we'll learn the lesson of infrared

don't be like infrared or else you're going to fail like they do

but we haven't failed yet

and there isn't an example of anyone like us

yet

and we so

i'm trying to in good faith have this conversation with

understand

ahuh i've seen

ok but you're just calling us retard streamer

but you are pressed to admit

that infrared's approach

is fundamentally different

to march

and i think

you're bluffy

if you're going to argue otherwise

you know our approach is different

and if you're convinced in your head we're going to fail

then watch us fail

then let us see us fail

see and learn the wisdom of that failure

but why are you trying to force failure on us before the facts

is my question

if what you've been doing

hasn't goten you anywhere

and you've been doing it over and over again

for decades and it's leg you nowhere

and you've been in my chat

in doing the same thing

over and over again trying to trol me

and it hasn't led you anywhere

and you've been on lefty pool over and over again

and it hasn't got you anywhere

don't you think if infrared is doing something new

you are at least

have an obligation

to give us the benefit of

seeing how we're going to fail

instead of superimposing your failure

through us

ok

i am only concerned that you are preaching an anti union message

but nowhere have i preached an anti union messaige

i have spoken against a trend called direct action

i've spoken against that

i've never spoken against unions

i also said that unions aren't the band all be all and i'm very suspicious of how people are obsessing over them

an example of that

is the fact that they're notw trying to unionize

google engineers and graduate students

clearly there's something wrong with his obsession of unions

if they can be applied to such a stratum

such a clearly petty bourgeois

an elitists

social stratum of people

that's another thing to think about critical

but i've never

taken a dig at union

in general

said union

our

poison

you spread poison to the minds of children

you haven't seen the results of this poison

aren't you at least entitled to

aren't you aren't we at least entitled

to

to see what that's going to

result in

it hasn't resulted in any

at least

watch us fail

anti unionism is pinkerton shit

but i have yet to be convinced that i've said anything anti union

i've said strikes are not direct action

because that's a direct action is bullshit

and i've explained myself

so much

so many times

i am just doing this say

because i began to dream

being very ener

angry at

and yelling at you and being pissed off by you

but i just want to prove to my check

that even when i'm a reasonable human being

who's trying to reach out to you

and speak to you in good faith

and in a good natured way

you still continue

to insist upon being a

poisonous

annoying

pass

who's still trying to trol me

because all this started because i didn't like your thread about how you said the whole world is a gula

and that's the source of it all

and you're so narcissistic

and because i didn't like your dumb thread

you're continuing to try to start trouble with me

monday night

and god knows how late it is

in the united kingdom

thank you very much i rest my case

i tried

i tried

to speak reasons

and not be mean to

and even then

he insists

i'm trying to get a eriyse out of

that's the nature of say

ok

dins

i don't know any disabouy you jenny

you're against political marketing

you'd be against what haus is doing this is all political marketing

you shouldn' be a socialist because my fult because

be a sourceis because the only conseqence of w it is that

here we go the consequential andy

i'll debate you on this point

that it is the only consequential position one can adopt

i can fiercely debate you

on that point

your socialism is an abstraction it's been proven nowhere

and there's no living example of it i'm going to be an anglo like how you're being

right

if we're going to be consequential is

then destiny the streamer is right

anything else acceptance of ruin and repeat

well you're just bluffing you're telling people that

they shall either accept your abstract fairy tale

whethre it's going to be an apocalypse

just because most scientists are

of the consensus that we're experiencing climate change

and it's going to be the end of the world it is an apocalypse

you're trying to shoehorn in a blackmail of socialism

on bond and moon threat of extinction

that's why no one will ever accept your socialism

because you're trying to blackmail them

and they identify you with creeps like bill gates

who want to blackmail

and

threaten them with fear

that if they don't accept socialsm they're all going to die

and people are looking past the fear in the blackmail in a populistic

mass and organic

wait

how dare you accuse me

of being ineffective

in my marketing

when you're repeating

liberal nonsense

that the masses of people have already made it clear

that they reject and identify with bill gates

how is this socialism at all

which progresses of the last century

sounds like eugene is much smarter than you

good news has we already declared we live in socialsm guess we can packt up boys

i addressed

this same comments

one two or three streams ago

this same one

and i gave you the say i'll give you the same response

as i gave that person

condensed in shorter form

because you don't deserve for me to elaborate upont of more

because i've devoted

many many minutes

many many hours even

on this precise idea that just because we live in socialism

that means

it's the end of it all

it reminds you of what stalin said

about people who said just because we live in sources of means there's no more work to be done

stone said no

socialism is the beginning of work

and just like i'm going to tell you now

if i'm saying we're already living in socialism

that's the beginning of the struggle

not the end of

how about that

how about them

but i've also explained it in a million other ways

i've also explained it that there's a subjective contradiction

that you're being frugal with

if you watch

any of our fucking streams and videos

and knew anything

about infrared

if you knew your head from your own ass

you wouldn't have the audacity to make a such a stupid fucking comment

what part of it is quine there are many lenon had post

day off tomorrow

me

day off tomorrow

ok in the day after that

says

theay after that sage because you're not going to win say

at the end of the day you're not going to win

failure in the age of an intert is different from any to faiir due to the fact that

every in here everything is forever very true

how can i convince my coworkers that they're getting fucked by capitalism they fully bought into the pull boot narrative

that's a good point marieo and that's why infrared has the views it does because we have experience

with that

in that failure

in our own everyday lives

going to have to recant many points

had already touchedupon

recanter

go over again

i

let's continue

continue

the anglo

what is this a w t to begin with dialectic materialism is a far later development n know from the very beginning

marxs and angles retained

the dialectic view

higgls dialectic

according to hegel himself

is the culmination

of human thinking in general

so dialectics isn't a system

it's not a system ofla

dialectics

is something

that it is proper to all human thinking

before m journey

dialectics is an acknowledgment of the radical otherness

that is material being

hegel integrates this radical

otherness

into the movement of the concept

and the movement of the idea and reason and guids

marx

reintroduces the radical otherness of material being

as primary and antescedent

the thinking consciousness

not just as a movement of the concept

but on the contrary

the conceant the concept in the consciousness is attesting to the move a more radical movement in material and inscribed into material being

itself

if you look at marxist critique of hegel from a materialistic perspective

you could not

but admit

that it is fundamentally dialectical from the beginning

that anyone would try to make any other argument is so despicably and unbelievably stupid to me

that i cannot even fathom

where they get and muster the audacity to lie and distort

history in such a way

and you even bring up something called historical materialism

which

if you don't if you haven't caught

wind of the point already

the historical part of the materialism is referring to hegel's

special attribution

of dialectics to historicity

historicity is itself a movement of the dialect

historical materialism is self evidently dialect

that's the whole point of why it's historic

history itself is them is a dialectical movement

that's the special significance history was given

from the tradition that marx and angels were drawing from which was hagel's

and it wasn't just utilized by marx and angls

dialectical materialism is an ontology about the very nature of being itself

it's not a tool

about

that they should use

in this american pragmatic way like how you're saying

it's a radical state it's a radical claim in relationship

in thought

to what being is in the first place

engel said

that the thinking of thought itself is the highest form

think

from the very beginning it wasn't

if you read hegle you also know that marx uses nothing like hagl's dialect

you're pulling that out of your fucking ass

if you've read hagel

it becomes crystal clear

how even up to marxi's capital

hagel's conceptual

apparatus is being radically

put to work in a new way

new and concrete way rising from the abstract to the concrete

marx's use of hegel dialect isn't use

he doesn't use it

whatsoever

he is

inheriting the dialect

fully

yes wholesale

no he doesn't break

he reveals the materialistic kernel

pgel's idealist

dialectic

those are the words mark himself the man himself used

why are you superimposing

your yes

and i don't w offend anyone

anglo dogmatism

back upon marks when the man himself

laid it out

pretty clearly

it is not a practice in actual dialect

there is no such thing as a practice in actual dialectics because dialectics is not some

voodoo metaphysical

spell casting practice is what you're trying to say

here sage the idiot becins ignore him

because i already demolished him

he's already done for

he's already done for

so much wh a efficient to answer something once and then ignore for the same retarded post

am

i

yees sage is embarrassing self he's just a bit let me see if he says anything new

oh

nothing new here

nothing new here

is a tantrum against majorny it's not a tantrum but it's a response to madornity yes i think so

this was a big one

capitalism isn't a system no it's not

no it's not a system

is a cybernetic concept

capitalism is not a system

it's not an airtight system because

when you discern

what capitalism is from beginning to end

you discern the birth of an entirely new order which marxon and angles did identify a socialism

when you discern capitalism as a system

you can't tep but result in another system

because it's not something closed and airtight

it is not a self sanding or self supporting

system

the falling cred of

rate of profit makes it very clear

there's no system in place

but i don't know about this stuff about it being a situation

you it goes

i think you are misrepresenting what buszois socialism means here

us some critiques in terms are buddsm not ligism a new state of things

it is illusion state of what capitalism asys theem entails

now it's mechanism operate that's extremely vague even if though it's true

what what the

the implication of that is what you're not getting though that's too vague

of course

they're delusional about what capitalism is as a system and how its mechanisms operate

but it is not is not saying anything about the fact

that the

the category of bousgeis socialsm attest the fact that for marks angles

it was an objective reality

that was

a

that was in the process of its realisation

and there was many different subjective responses to it

the excciition of buza socialsm

s one levey most interviewss prought on

no you're extremely wrong here you're extremely wrong

the actuition of busgi socialism was directed as a at a phenomenon that marx and angles were identifying

read the communist manifesto

and you'll realize that

that book which was not a polemic against protm

reveals

the atmosphere of what socialism was in their time

you're really wrong about

ok and that they were

system is just mat dernity cannibalizing itself

no

i don't know what

when you're bozzy one can participate and enjoy in all that care

socialism is

humanity returning to itself after modernity

modernity cannibalizing itself i would argue is contemporary american liberalism

that's my argument

that's my view

ok

doesn't say anything new

free trade for the benefit of the working class

that's our politics today too

our politics literally policies are literally

implemented for that

in that way

it's structurally true now it's not just phrases it's structurally

it's kind of true for

social the chinese characteristics

is summed up in the phrase the bugs is a buzea for the benefit of the working class and that has actually realized itself

sam

even though it's not true in actual reality formally speak

we are living in a type of

busge was so

in the twentieth century

bosht i've neverly described as in buringtons works on his aduction

ok this is not my b

ody production exists and is an integal part of cabls as it ever has been

the problem is that commodity production has

they're erradically deformed in such a way that it's not clear what you mean by this if you're talking about the sovereign

commodity of the nineteenth century

no it's completely

been transformed

into something that yes is soal

both eugenesis and licenco were idiots i begg to differ licenco was brilliant

my secle was brilliant

you're not terminally online i think you are terminally online look at this huge thing you wrote

i think

i don't i think the barrier to entry to writing a huge thing like this is being

terminally online

i'm not gleaming any wisdom

from you

i'm non

seven two four seven seven

that wouldn't result from being too terminally online

why don't you face the fact that we as a society are all terminally online

and there's no more direct

empirical substance you can

with

fall back upon and refer to that's not mediated by the internet in some kind of way

hous also stated that his works trying to make mars l is a mainstream mo again

something which workers are more open to and accept

actually didn't mention the workers

i didn't mention the workers whatsoever i mentioned the b the ordinary person

ok because i think these classrooms you're throwing around

are a bit outdated

saying what's a position which require onces understand lse

but

here's the thing youussay writing

brilliant person

writing a whole fucking book

unlefty paul you fucking idiot

we already explained

that the reason we had to explain de lose and heideger is because our chat the people who came to us first

were the ones demanding this

actually our concrete positions do not require

anyone to understand to lise in a high degree they make sense at a very visceral and intuitive level

so do our videos that are fourteen or thirty minutes long

they make sense intuitive

you intellectuals and nerds are the ones who have a problem with them

and the ones that find it necessary to drag the los and hig degre and all these thinkers into it

and we're dragging them into it

because we want to say if theories your issue then go look at these guys they're covering base for us

our intuitions work

our concrete associations work for people

the problem is not

with how people are understanding us intuitively by their senses

it's the head

it's the theory stuff that's bogging them down

because you're familiar dogmatically

with socialism and marxism leninism in a specific way

because i your head

and that's why we're not clear crystal clear and simplistic for you

someone like paul moran is crystal clear and simplistic

but for who

for other marxist lendness

not for the ordinary people

so shut the fuck up about this

for fox' sake

and by the way you are not the worker

our audience are not the working class our audience are not the working class they are objectively online partisans of marxism

monsism leninism

and otherwise include incline people to those ideas

no one is directly the worker or the working class

there's no way to relate to that in a direct individual way

which is what streamers

try to do for their flucking audience

so stop bluffing and talking out of your fucking ass

as were already mentioned before

that you the audience are not the working class

and the fact that you're on a website called lefty pool dot org

which ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine percent

of the working class

has never heard of and will never hear in their entire lives

from the moment that they're born

to the moment that they're going to die the fact you' on a website like this means you cannot use the working class is an excuse

to dodge the necessity of understanding these type of people

because you're more than capable of mustering the ability to be familiar with them

and if you weren't

you wouldn't be capable of writing a fucking entire book

on the website called lefty pole itself

you have been so utterly

blown out of the fucking water

that showing your face again on this website

i would be embarrassed

fort

yeah and used to be immersed in the far right and extreme

pro catholic apologism

i think was woke i think was good how

yeah the nine nine

and i sud if you ps im s ist being blunt to me in terms of what i was in coorrect on

let me to thiss a mark further i think it's very perverse

try to use your personal

worker background as a proxy for the working class in general

it's extremely perverse

it's perverted

period it's perverted

the quintessential definition of perverseion

you're not an innocent little lamb dude you're not innocent

you're not in a

you're evil like me

you're not innocent

oh i'm just an innocent nurse no you're not

you have evil intent

maniacal evil

local eccentric

intent

just like cas

you're no different from me

you're not an innocent little lab no one is innocent individual

speak

the minute you start speaking on behalf

of your own individuality

you become an evil

maniacal

intent

filled

agent just like i am

youunited

a pure object

who can be

worked upon and caused and prodded in a certain direction like a sheep

like how are you trying to act like you're an innocent little lamb you're not

it's part of how i know that marxs ides aus in the same breed who you care nothing but actual marxm

in the last one duration of their clearly emotionally baked views

into marxism

well emotions are everything actually

the whole significance of the working class is a phrase

is fundamentally emotional

everything's emotional

the workers are emotional

it's amotion that compels people to dedicate their lives

to march something like marxism or socism or communism it is fundamentally emotion

nobody

does it for a mechanical robotic reason and i'll call anyone's bluff who pretends that they are

life is emotional humanity is emotional i'm not scared to admit that it is emotional

petty fucking opportunism

how is it opportunities i im emotional

i despise all of you equally

and i don't care

it's not going to it's always going to be some superficial bullshit like c t h

or infrared

if you want something better make something better but this superficial bullshit

it's the end of the line it's the end of the road the messiah is not going to wake up one day and intervene in reality substantially and realize the kingdom of heaven on earth

it's not going to fucking happen

you have to get into the game

put up or set up

or

just move the fuck along

and stop trying to argue with us

you dumb folk

who wrote this

dialect to materials a statement on how reality functions

no it's not

it's about what reality is in the first place

it is way more far reaching the wor than tails no it's not do the same thing there's no meaningful distinction between them

which is simply materials view observable historical trends

no

marx explicitly rejected empiricism as a collection of dead facts

marx would say that if you can only have a materials view observer was durbal trends

that would be impiricism

can only observe dead facts

instead

materialism entails an active relationship to reality

as it is actually and actively unfolding

not as it has already been made an observable object

for the census

mast use dialects is las hegels foundation for its use

talking on you ass

talking out of your at

here's the anti he goan retard

my be used term evil if you want to step outside the anglo box

something something original sin

because i'm speaking for intuition

japanese guy i'm speaking for intuition

i'm saying stop acting like an innocent little lamb

when we're all evil

according to you

don't get hung up

on his term

i'm saying according to him i'm he's evil

ango christian dogmatism

how is that not relates to the concept evil

well there's an islamic conception of the evil

there's an eastern conception of evil

and there's a non western conception of evil

and wickedness

and wrongness

but you're right evil in this sense is uniquely anglo or not in is angl but necessarily western christian that's fine

but i'm speaking in his language in his term

no modern hegelian schoars do not in fact

yeah who are you talking about though

robert brandon and those people i wouldn't consider them truly gaans i grew usic they're just conscience

and they're trying to contunize hegel

marxus a specific part of hagel's dialect is the three value

now we know he's talking out of disaster there's no three value

say yeah

here we go skipping sage

here's nothing new to say

this guy smart

nothing to say here

but i regard

hypothesis the whole idea of decentralization

this sears is s it needs to be proven

it doesn't need to be proven actually anonymous because the facts empirically speaking are not in dispute

when it comes to whether they're empirically observable what we're talking about it's not in dispute

now whether our way of describing it is the best way or the worst way that is what's in dispute

but

no one's going to deny silicon valley emerged in the eighties in the nineties

no one's going to deny

that neo liberalism

as a shift in history some kind of identifiable historical shift

happened after the on nine hundred seventyes

no one's going to deny that financial derivatives became prominent in the primary means

of profiteering

after the new liberal age and so on

no one's going to deny all of these things that we are identifying with decentralization

and deterritorialization

it doesn't need to be proven impirically because there's nothing impirically speaking

that's in dispute

all of this is out in the open

whether these are the best concepts to describe those

is what's in in dispute

stop being anglo i want to stop using that term

but that's what you're doing

every type of relationship to reality we have

you're saying we have to premise by some empirical

proof

that's ridiculous

that's like saying

in order to love your mother you have to prove it impirically

a

you have to you have to derive some epirical proof in order to have a feeling of love to your family

or your whatever

it's so stupid and it's in it's an inhuman way of thinking

you don't have to premise every single position

by some

little

factorid ti bit

that's a stupid and lazy way of think

i'm extremely sceptical whether that' truly happened

it's happening and there's also a centralization of happening

delwse said every detoratorialization is also reterritorialization

we use those terms not to be one sided and say

only decentralization is happening

were only deterritorialization is happening

but to give

form

and give expression

to the change in what is central and in what is

deterritorial and in what is decent

and in what is

territorial

that the content shifts

that's the point

we want to give expression to the changes that happen

in reality

and i would call those changes dialectical

dels would disagree

is theased some

they base this theory on people like de los and boght a larg

people like them yes but not only them

who could be the most big brain plss ever havever seen not being rigid in term of scientific evidence

where is scientific evidence relevant though

you have not pointed out

where the facts need to be in dispute

where is it necessary to introduce so called empirical and that's what you mean by scientific by the way

evidence

you haven't you just said that because they're not scientists

because they're not empirical scienicests

nothing they have to say is meaningful

you're just like chomsky when it comes to gij

you are fundamentally anglo and yes an idiot

is demanding evidence and isemplification and inherently anglo

it fundamentally is

we no it is not been

it is not called for yes it is

when you're demanding evidence x nilo

when evidence is not even in dispute empirically speaking

that is angle because you're trying to substitute critical thinking

and critical engagement

and using basic human thought

for

some kind of empirical guarantee that it is true independently of your own think

that's vulgar that's lazy and yes

it's anglo

from a p r perspective

ok i already explain the propaganda p r s

i hope to become

understands this becomes more programmatic and sustance

i agree will make this a simpler

what is infrared video

and hopefully dropped youo i disagree with that

i doubt is it read

well

i'm not making a final judgment on

i'm telling you what my baseline impression of his

i'm not saying i'm an authority on cockshot

to the point where i can

judge him in that way

i'm just saying my initial impressions aren't that great

and i'm open to being persuaded otherwise

call them lucky

place angle with sid

you think anglo geminy was survived

no definitely not i think it's collapsing i think china is on the rise

it's already happ

and i'm just trying to awaken people to that fact

damn you're close to nine hour straight

arguing with left

has it been nine hours

no it's just been four hours

was nar stroopel to intervene in houses

there was

but this is going to be the last one

this is going to be the last one i do

and then after that

i'll explain later but

after this

the only ones i'm going to read are the ones that shat

highlights and points out

i need to read

otherwise i'm going to skip everything so only if chat has concerns and wants me to respond to o post them i going to respond

otherwise

yeah this is going to be the end of these giant streams

leaning over left

this is the last one

this is the final bat

obviously a contradiction to ro

popularzed like jimmy oorkill mop

then he oth had deliberately ofp tokate revoke

only to reach a certain academic audience

we did not

initially deliberately obfuscated

provoke

initially you've been seeing it as obfuscation and provocation while the majority of normal people

who have no background in marxism

had no problem with what we were saying

you were the one who wanted to who wants us to take it to academic portions

and people like you are the only reason we do it

because you're trying to test us

and and test us

first you call this cave man brainlets

and now you're calling us overly academic because you tested us

and we're proving our metal

proving our strength

proving the richness of our knowledge and theoretical foundations

in it's

now prodding you into this corner where you're going to pretend to be a normal ordinary worker and we're too overly academic

that's the problem going on you

first you called me a cave man

who's a dumb ass

then when i showed you my receipts

now you're saying i'm too academic

which one is it

when all of infrared is i see made of a very university students or alumni

that is actually extremely wrong i learned nothing from university

none of my work has anything to do with university

and none of the work of the people in our collective

has anything to do with the academiy or the university

we keep the struggle in our lives

to stay afloat and make a living

very separate

from the theory stuff that we do

internally in the collect

you're dead wrong about

our approach is

radically

unfamiliar anti institutional

and outside of the academic establishment

it is unacceptable

to the prevailing universe

have you been in to bunker ch and i'm going to check it out this stream

i

well i we'll take a poll we'll take a poll to see what chat think

sage again saying nothing new

hospital on a passw when he's a law student with no job

here we go with trying to judge people's individual qualities

based on how they make a living

and what they're what they're doing to try and make a living

future is

actually

most of the time when you encounter law students

but you are going to find very possible

that's been my experience in law school

but you can't

make the olympic leap and automatically deduce that anyone who's in law school

is a post pers

you can't

you can't

that's that's the difference age you can't

go ahead and do that

has clearly isn't a pash person

i'm sure everyone can glean that fact

maybe just from the fact that everyone calls me a fucking idiot brainlet cavemn vulgar asshole

clearly

this is an exception

i think it's obvious

but he did read about what he's talking about

everyb retly reading is a healthy cocktail

what about the things i've experienced in life have you ever thought that i've experienced

maybe a few things in life

that have led me down this whole

and maybe you

you know i needed this crazy theory stuff to make sense of my reality otherwise

maybe i would have gone crazy

because i know that's the origin story for a lot of other people too

well exactly

he probably just read the books on you tube

this is hilariously fuck

to

he didn't read the books

well this is sage so of course it's a stupid fuck

and no one believes

so i have to address

it's self evidently wrong that i didn't read books and only watch

jenison i'm going to trust that you're going to say it's interesting and i don't have to respond to it

and

oh

aren't you

on

jenocon you have probably really interesting things to say but

because you're actually an insightful poster who's

says really interesting things

i you're going to have to call on my stream and talk

and talk about all the interesting eugenics things you're saying

because i'm not going to cover it i'm only going to cover the people being hostile

and if

we had so much defenders i wouldn't have to be doing this

so propt all our defenders

i mean the more defenders we have guys the less i'm going to have to do this at all

monker feels quite a ban with would king kong throw this

shit at godzill i don't know

how did i first come across marxes

on the gateway drug was the iranian revolution studying that napoleon the third was a direct

i'll go all and to direct were' ever sharing

well like the indian strikes the yellow vest had nothing nothing at all to do with direct act

that's the difference say

and

i'm not sure i need to explain that any further

because it

yellow ves were a national social

phenomenon

which is not reducible to the sum total of voluntary individuals deciding to wake up one day

and i

right

it was a social national phen

that's the manter by which it was objected

fundamentally indirect phenomen

and so far as individuals are being related

it's fundamentally indurect

first you have to see

turn on the news and see all the yellow us people

then you got to put it on yourself and do it

being inspired by it it's fundamentally indirect

house was critiquing the category of direct action

very true

get tired of lying

yeah he's a fulking liar dude

non liar

let's see i you have anything new to say

um

yeah i already addressed this stupid argument no need to respond to that

about the blocking roads things

but he responded to that

h

okay

ah

i've already splained how i was indirect

o

and this is nothing new

nothing new you dropped it's not a strike it's an to i've never said that

ah

yeah

it's reallyy stupid to say that being in parliament is direct action

thoughts on bonapartism

m

i think it's overlooked i think a lot of things are called buonapartist like the chavista stuff

that maybe should change people's perspective on who buonaparte himself was

uh let's see

let's see

still haven't had an answer

this is true

this ist fundamentally true

okay

the main argument is done

at nobody simpson e was pretty school to come back here and entertain us

i'm at forty viewers now i started out at sixty so clues hasn't been good for me did this guy

eugene

ah no not yet i hope to have him on some time though he sounds like an interesting guy i want to let him say his peace

in a better format than this

i

yes

so hows o is that because strikes require organization coordination

so his biges strrike is strucking a producce prices

we just direct ation no it's the opposite of direct action because direct action remember is about indi

how can individuals act

how can an actor act

an actor is an individual

how can an actor act

it's

for an action to happen that's separate individual it's no longer direct

i don't know it's so hard abt to understand about this

i

ok

all economies are planned economies is what distinguishes cap of sources whether we're doing capital ac cumulation

profiting

you're also profiting in socialism nog profits and indexed of the success of an an enterprise

so that also happens in socialism profitability is also an index of efficiency

you know that

profiting means you end up with more than you began with

it's not just about greed

avarice

profit is also an index

of having more than he started out with profitability is an index of success in a sense

it happens in socialism to

no

i disagree with this because planning has not been the crux of my argument whatsoever

it'ss been an ass i said we live in a socialist political economy

planning

itself

is belonging to a political economy

planning itself has an economy

so has has a concept box here we go with the argument that having

that that

expressing a semblance of concepts without premising those concepts

in a definite

way with a string of words

according to you

that's the same thing

as the anglo box no i explain why it's not the fucking anglo box

i explained it because i'm not premising

the concept of signals

by some kind of box

i use the word signals and yes

the word signal seems to be distinguished from

the pure drive for profit for profit sake

i never said anything about real activity though

so you have to come back to me on that

i didn't see a damn thing about whether it's real activity or not

i never made that distinction you did

i'm not big on clarification

but i have these six hour streams where i do nothing but clarify

and nobody seems

i

nobody seems to ever respond to what i have to say

or even acknowledge the fact that i have already said it

i've responded to all these and clarified everything

so thoroughly

i'm not i'm not sure how you can fuck and draw this conclusion i'm not big on clarification

what have i been doing for the past four hours

even against the

what the chad wants and what the stream wants

this people in chad don't want me to keep doing this but i'm doing it anyway

and i'm clarifying so much i'm clarifying too much

seeding hate borner for sage

constrat on to point sage is a fucking idiot

that's the problem

ok i was with mr

ah

are they actually den gts denist mean here we go

you comess this is a

decent rundown

i'll give you that

a

seems like another way

time

ok fucks to am by i'm going to sleep see later

you later

someone join them you can't join them

streaming videos

based than

don't care about how s to be was

don't spring them to this threat

we're almost done in this is going to the last one

ok sages a fuck and loser sason debate has the pussies the all pussies i agree

i'm going to witness the literally miss said

ok

want to seem to be king leer and see the battle the skitzas anyway he sounds fkan on sure tradings with west are bit useless

but infred is a returns to log off you things that he's doing organized by switching to the web

when did i say i'm doing organizing right now i never said i'm doing organizing you're making shit up

somebody sa a gal poll on

question be was also invertis to reasis

folk you in a safe pace

ges she's organizing cobost

your direct action idiot andy

you wt on the street and go naked and make an ass of yourself

i'll make rather make an ass myself

sitting down

instead of getting arrested for

that's the only difference between us

and only difference between us in addition to that is i'm not only making an aswer myself

i'm also informing and expanding and broadening the horizons of my audience

so that's the difference between what i'm doing and what you're doing

going out in the streets

running around naked

in trying to go into the

real world

ever thought about the fact that your real world

doesn't really really exist anymore and it's all mediated by the internet

it's all mediated

by social media i'm not saying it's reducible to those things

but

on an ilogical level

on a superficial and superstructural level it's mediated by those things now

when you're talking about the real world

on the flocking internet

what you're really doing is bluff

otherwise

why don't you go in the real world instead of bluffing on the internet

clearly it hasn't gotten used that far i'm looking at what's going on in the real world and i see a left

fundamentally crippled

and fundamentally in retreat

and i see a victorious

right and i see the victory toorius biding and i see a victorious

me

neo liberal establishment institutions

so i'm seeing what's going on on the street i'm seeing nothing but failure

so clearly what you're doing offline

hasn't been very effective now has it anonymous idiot

who came to talk shit about those

like a fucking moar

so i think there's

turkey ik what

he is a palestinian i'm not palestinian i'm not

who's antye dnl

sages a batelmll

wasite tactics we'll get used to it we live in a

it era of the internet

this is what's going to pull people

to socialism

this is what's going to pull people

to communism

this is what's going to allow us to take down vosch

you take down vosh try taking him down from your lefty pool safe space it's not going to happen this is how it's going to fucking happen

i think most of the wol does not use sourcial media outside of anonymous image boards

on allz the media through social media

it is all of our lives are mediated through social media i'll tell you why

i'll tell you why

because even if you're not using social media

the people who are in charge of theses of the workplaces institutions and all the things that fundamentally define our lives

the struggle over those things

is being mediated

by social media

don't underestimate social media

my understanding

chrishwogs are

a good logoff

kid

yeah i don't know what that

i

yeah our lives are mediated by social media in a fundamental

and this is especially true for politics

why are you two are so delusionable about their influence

well because

reach being vosch and having two hundred and fifty thousand subscribers

is fundamentally more effective

in terms of communication

than a newspaper that reaches five

is that delusional i don't think it's delusional

the vast majority of people don't know don't care about voshes

i know but relative to the newspaper sellers

washes a lot better

and i know the fact that people who spend time on the internet

are more or less a privileged stratum

but it's those privileged strathum

who the wo

the what is it called

the downstream process is going to come from i know it's a dialectic and all that kind of stuff

but we're talking about communication here you understand

we're talking about

information and communication

and when we're talking about information and communication yes

you tube and the internet and social media is the name of the game

i'm not saying the majority of people care about you tube

care about any of this

bosh is a fucking fake he pretends to be an anarchist but he will never be in the front of

line de arresting you are occupying a space

i think all anarchists are bullshoitters novator

he's not a fake he's as real as it gets as far as anarchists a concerned

because they're all bullshters and they're all fuck

faice

what is being on the front line and getting arrested

and occupying a space like a fucking dumb ass

like chaz where they killed two innocent black teenagers what the fuck does that have to do with any type of measure of authenticity

sounds to me you're just a protestant christian obsessed with suffering and pain and you think that's some kind of measure of virtue i don't buy it i'm a mediterranean i come from a muslim background

if you want to talk about your woke anarches bullshit

i don't buy it

i'm not interested

i'm not convinced

and i'm not impressed by people who go out of their way to put themselves in danger just to go and get street cret on the fucking inet you are not authentic

you are not virtuous you are not real to me you are not real you are fake too

it's all a spectacle action

so you think we're soldis with political culturre stems that imagines we're still liberal yes

that selling people this idea that we live in a liberal free market

how's the warlord in chaz

talk about chaz talk about this perverted attempt to just directly go into the real world

that's what chaz was that's why i was such a nightmare

hole real activists have achieved more than you or vosh ever will what if they achieved no tell me what they've achieved

which activists are you talking about bidens the president right now in the united states

everything's on retreat

the left is in retreat

the people are in retreat

you're going to witness it youutah just passed the bill to allow private

corporations to have a fucking

town to have private cities and private towns

so

where have you been i've never heard of you

no ordinary people on the streets have ever heard of you

no ordinary people i know who aren't terminally onlike and i do know working class people i'm very familiar with this crowd

none of them have any fucking idea about the activists you're talking about you only people who know about you are fucking hipsters who squat

fucking losers who are the most marginal type of people in fucking society you could fucking imagine what are you fucking talking about nob you piece of shit

you full of shit idiot

he's always mentioned chazz because it failed

they ignore taz zad

i've never heard of that

no one's ever fucken heard of that so means nothing

and yet nates za has been a huge success for a decade

and it's done nothing where was the ripple effect

it hasn't been a success

because i've never heard of it nobody i've ever known has ever fucking heard of it

ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine percent of people have never heard of it it's made no impact on their life whatsoever but sure maybe somewhere in america some anarchists have jacked themselves off

into the delusion that they've achieved a better society

and i even doubt that if i want to look into

this is too funny what's funny nob is the scolding in beating you're getting right now this beat down you're getting

you're being mentally dominated right now that's

fok

bitch

yes because you're a brainled broke

you call me a brainlet

and all these racst people call me a brainlet

and i don't care because it exposes you

yeah i'm a brain let

what i thought i was a theoretical abstractionist

i thought i was too much into philosophy in the ivory tower

which one is it

because you see my brainlet attitude and you see something fundamentally working class about it

is your problem

and it scares the fuck and shit out

that

you call me a brainled what do you think the working classes

you don't fox

doesn't know about zad

tell me about zaz i've never heard of it

nobody's ever known about it nobody's ever fucking heard of it

take a picll of how many falcon workers ever heard of sad you fucking pitch nobody's ever fucken out of it because it isn'an amount to a fucking thing

fock and moron

stupid bits go come on stream nob dm me on twitter i'll give you a link you can come on stream

zoned to defend some made up dumb anarcho dumb bullshit

that's outside of reality and you're living in a fucking fairy tale that has nothing to do with the real world because you want to larp and pretend you have a zone to defend you don't have a zone to defend you dumb couck

there's no fucking such thing

everyone knows about the militias nobody's heard about you bitch

because you' have accomplished nothing

then go to beddy little bits

and don't forget to get your little kiss at night

and be talked in that did little boy little bit

beause that's what you are after this

is this hipster beitches want to act like he's

speaking for the majority of the working class

when he's talking about esoteric hipster terms

that nobody outside of a dumpster diving brooklyn fucking loser who came from white suburbs

has ever fucking heard of

and he wants to come on my foking stream

and tell me that i'm overestimating my influence in this world what a fucking loser

fucking more on

current political moment in the west is

past the traditional i agree with that

working glass busit that there i don't really agree with that i think loklys organ gliss just more agn to a peasantry theoretically

colloqually there's a work

class and people understand what that means

kings

ok

answer is malwas people's war no it's not

you don't know you're you're betraying the spirit of mo mo was focusing on chinese conditions so you focus on the american

good night bitch

names russia using acronyms no one is going to know about doesn't make you any better

exactly nameless room

exactly

it's exactly that isn't

that's the crux of

somebody in the chat invite him over here the stage run is getting still

basically lefty pull voss

hos stat is triggered very triggered

said his work is done

mixed defeat

but it's really getting grein being turned into a fucking eleven

he's un aproaching vossos annoy his d ft screaming into the fucking mike is and that triggered

not for me

you're all short infrared you like feet

no

is that

ok we'lmo wast done guys w was out of this curse

thank you appreciate that brom

thank you appreciate them

appreciate

get ou of my board

if your board votes to get me out i'll get out

i'm not here

you know i'm not here imposing myself on your board

your board reached out to me

your board likes me it seems like it seems like most people on your board like me

if your board stops liking me i'll leave trust me i'll leave

the angle stars going to huge crux for has

as a lazy explanation for everything

why i already explained i always explained what it actually means

comment about blackmor adam curtiss cranch wll thse you notice a pattern

that there's this strange relation this

beautiful soul romantic relation to technology that is

quite unique to the united kingdom

or no you don't see it

explains to me you don't see it

because i'm if you don't see it then have me elaborate i'll try to make you see it if you want to have good faith

dark warriors ss i looked up why is

i looked up zad why is it just a wilderness dumpster

i'm pinning that

that's fucking hilarious

jesus

has try not to laugh watching

ca

looks like it's for now on on a better no

i can't watch this unfortunate

woman

need inggl cleanup here

but angles in ford apparently no ford is rejected because ford is rejected in the favor of cognitive bullshit

i'm not even saying i care about psychoanalysis but i definitely think freud does represent a revolution and thought

that i recognize and appreciate

but i don't agree with

i think the therapeutic practice was always a failure

all of the attempts to

make freud into a type of therapeutic practice has failed

but that doesn't mean there's no insight to be glean

from fred

and we do do that for a marxist lenin this

cak in for just admitted that he is personally

coming in

feeding himself in a way that is

considered unclean and puritan according to christian lefty pool

that has an angle conception of what classes which is fundamentally individualist

is there bunch of dumb fox

um

i am well off has well explains why it isn'der sanm that organizing workplace

is a savee thse is some other dumb ass

he has never had one k

com

how you're so right you're so right you making this assumption pulling out your fucking as but even if you were right it's not an argument

that means nothing that says nothing

and

i think

he explains why he

i do understand i what is there to understand

that's him of importance is my f

point idiot

it's not happening at the workplace the workplace isn't the site

of of

of the workers anymore it really isn't

it really isn't

it's so intangible now

it's so on ephemeral now

that at least for people my age their souls their minds their heart and body is not focused on the workplace

the workplace

is increasingly a place people only refer to in the sense that they resent it

that's why nobody actually

that's why the meme of democratic ownership of the workplace will never catch on

the contemporary american work

class

people actually hate their shitty stupid workplace

let alone having to dedicate time to administrt and have these executive relationship to it

what people want is to go do their nine to five and go the folk home

watch anime

do this sit on the internet

care about

nobody actually cares about

the workplace itself

the workplace is a shit hole that no one

like

most workplaces don't even deserve to exist

i think that the service sector as a whole shuldn't

i think instead of the service sector

labor hours should be reduced

do my policy we only work one to three hours a day

because according to studies done in the one nine hundred seventy s

in order to reproduce the society not today but in the one nine hundred seventy s

we only had to

work

three hours of fucking day can you believe that in the seventies only three hours a day

was required to reproduce all society

why do we still have eight hour work days

why are we drudging and spending time in nine to five in bullshit jobs don't even fucking matter

when we could replace the entirety of the service sector

with a voluntary sector of people actually using their free time

in interesting and creative ways

and being rewarded by pride honor and other types of

economic clout other than wages and all that tyme b i'm one hundred percent

i'm bored with what jay who talks about which is reducing labor o

the rents against sages more or less over

used

where the fascist experiments so

only in so far as the welfare state was also

it wasn't specifically so

hows tes hardess people i wish he'd do it to wash the day will come

the day will come

it's just that i'm trying to raise an army first

but i'm encountering a lot of resistance by people who want to

stop us based

p want to kill us in our cradle

it's not going to happen

kings that we only have a fifteen hour work week by now i know i don't left december talk about that they always talk about

a

how we should have democratic control over the workplace what about reducing the fucking time you need to spend in the workplace i'm for that

i'm for the fifteen hour work week

not the fucking let's democratic let's add more hours actually to democratically decide how we want i don't care about how the workplace should be democratically decided

and most people i know don't fucking care about that type of thing

most people just want to have to to want to work less actually because work sucks and most jobs are pointless

you think mcdonald's is a necessary job it isn't

that should completely be annihilated the service s

instead of mcdonald's people should be able to have the free time and security

to cook up their own food

and make their own recipes

and feed people in more interesting innovative

and and cool ways

instead of

they can create their own fast food

you know

establishments in joints and maybe they can acquire capital from the government

you know

to do that and whoever wins out can be like the a tension economy

whichever one is rated the best and does the best

gets the most capital from the government

all sorts of interesting things you can think

but

sure our work week is a demand the working class would actually give a shit about i know but no one talks about

he's left his

in the u s take their industrial side for granted think they have to work even harder

and they do have to get so

ridiculous

remember kins writing about how the masses will not be able to cope with so much free time

yeah

nobody's talking about freeo

no one talks about free

everyone just wants a virtue signal about bolster how much pain and suffering

they encounter in their lives

why don't we just have less

wh don't we have more free time why is it a bad thing

that has has a lot of free time on his hands which i do why is it a bad thing

shouldn't the whole point that more people should be able to do this

more people should be able to have houses free time

i want more people to have

houses free time

not less

that's what i'm about that's my position

i want more people to have the free time

that i'm able to have

think

despite that i'm in law school

i

i want to talk about

hiwh degree in the con going to do it which is the truth

which is the truth

i didn't want to talk about

you guys made me do it

call anyone autistic is goal i thought i was skitd so dumb as

it's this

can't overen

four f not five

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it's been deleted guys

what the

's actually been deleted

why

oh number three

wow oh my god there's more

there's not that much though

ok

the jobless man is withing of his wealthy parents clean to b

it's not true but you're making shit up

congratulations

who cares even if it was true thoug who cares

who cares

this isn't this isn't this isn't a good mean

this isn't a good mean because

the reason it's not a good meame is because it doesn't make any sense like is this sposed to be my face

he was to overlay this onto my face and make it actually look like

look stupid

uses smith machines

the reason they're easier is because they're less effective you so

soyboy

with more weights

fucking idiot

i like smith machines

i do

yeah

butf you want to specifically target a muscle machines are fine exactly

see said is going to work in wy

because i work out all my other muscle groups independently

so i don't need to do the i don't need to specifically focus on the freeway bench

even though i do freeway bench when i can

i can't right now because

the gyms make me fucking wear a mask in my apartment gym doesn't

so yeah

because there's no one there

and

yeah this guy's really true

says really true

's really right and by the way dude my chest is probably bigger than yours i have an abnormally

powerful

muscular chest

and i always have

so i'm guessing i can bench more than you

whether it's freewight or whether it's bench or it smith

probably can bench more than you

you want to point that out

but you're right about bodybuilding i'm not really a bodybuilder you know i'm not one of those people who cuts and you know has all this

i don't teach it i don't take it that

but i just i do lift weights

hostages that osses in our mind reran free

we keep thinking about him but ha has to defeat was

final ball

exact

angry issues with autistic characterists

i'm not ot to

i thought i was skidzo

one

how my autistic

noto

just

terminally triggered

different

we let's gose it show me this channel

buty gos for nurusing you may not anybody work out tips

you need to work out the support muscles you noodle

arm little bitch

my arms neutally they're not neutally

don't think the're noodling

they're not noodle

it's not new

not new

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you know

not ne to

tim

i do work out to support musc

but i do ma a different

work on

but you can witht the z kris movement

most luckes i need to try to hard to ignore

i'll get back to you on that

i don't w to think of them

i think they were big and occupy they're not so big anymore

zi guys are not big anymore

say some yeah exact

exactly

is even fucking do his core you make shit up

they took my way

yes says here

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your enemy

you want a spaming idiot

there we go ok now we're going to

skim this

this is all

okay this is

this is all very skimmable

new thread

ok we'll sae this

nice mean

ah

take the o the discord teams and red ca

uh okay

um

yeah

this didn't explain shit

we're ust being dishonest then

you're just or you're taking it for granted you're taking the fact that

anglo civilization is one period of history one trend of history

and not all eternity

you're taking it for granted is the problem

you haven't seen how we're outside of it

was you lost yet

this is

this is very true

this is very

anti angle is an anti semitic dog whistle

i'm anti semitic no

s everyone here if you have a laugh at angle form of logic cox

read the first opening list

hey would you like to learn to code by making computer games my name is ben and i've already taught over

so we union didn't have jim's

you're wrong being there is actually

um

a huge

weightlifting movement in the soviet union i forgot the name

in the eighties

and i think they were even communists

they were even communists

and they were snow they were working class soviet

soviets in the

hinterland

and they were

creating makes of gyms yeah there was was a huge

wehight lifting thing

i wll live good as i caonn lo it up on you tube

i would good for good im theh we're live now

so what'sver everyone welcome to

yeat quindy pointed out the you

leo barri

yeah lele bari something like that

yeah yeah that was it

he pointed

on

a debate between me and an versus not i can't watch this

can say too long

i believe in individualism even in cam man days one cam made a spear

was fighting with sticxs

the stones

this is really stupid dude

it's not true

it's just not

this is the example of why individualism is wrong

so you're trying to go into the primoritial ancient past to justify

individual individualistic metaphysics that's the whole point of evolutionary psychology

and

well one time in the past there was a cave man and there was another cave man he hit a woman over with a rock and a draggr in the cave

and that's how it happened bacy the

well you're just trying to apply your

pathological individual istic bos it humans were always communal

ok

there was never a period where humans were just individual

they were always

religious and communal is some kind of w

what is the purpose of infrared

what do they practically want to achieve we want to be a platform for a marxism leninism in the new era

media platform

but s knowlsom already exists th one room this wasm already just that

manisry withe there sous and lire capital a rey vis it isn't cultural at all

and raation of use the term a boss ning oly that's vegas foll

i wouldn't agree though that we can talk about this d d r but i would argue that

labor is not subjugated under value

capital value production

that's why labor is subjugated in a similar way as it was subjugated even in the twentieth century social state

it's subjugated in the same way

i don't i don't think it's subjate under value production either

in the same ways the nineteenth century

all the arguments you can make about this applied to the soviet union and china in the twentieth century

as well

yeah you should come on some time

i

i don't understand what the practical di

have no clue what they want

don't worry about what we want want to be a platform for marxism leninism

in the new era

we don't think i don't think of being in this way of

i want something in my soul and i want to impose reality to what i want

i don't think in terms of that

i try to make peace with what reality is

and adjust what i want

accordingly

m

yeah exactly

sages out of arhuments finally

is it true that has did black face

o

i didn't say what i'm doing is direct action ire talking about

introducing new marks the fils al the grounding

youy know what's going to happen we do that how we're going to just get a bunch of the nerds are going to ruin it

the rot nerds are going to ruin it for the ordinary people the ordinary people will love it

but then the nerds will come

and contest it and then they're going to lose confidence in

so we have to deal with the nerds

first

has not think o was the system what as much as the at phasing capital then

well max meant something different i

he meant something different

i think it's not a system because when we use system in twenty first century

we're and there's a lot of cybernetical baggage

from that cybernetic baggage

associated with that work marx didn't meet it in the cybernany

f

formal logic sense of

with some kind of physical act

but an act as individual

an actor is individual

so when you're dealing with an actor supper individual actor it can no longer be direct

wherey explain

and

hassas lefty pullers are smart people

well you guys are smart you're smarter than the majority but that's also proven to be a problem with me because i have to prove myself to you guys

this way

o

playing strikes

re

what is this

yeah

i know this from what's this mean

i don't t mean ms

and the lefty postm worm was done dude one was done

how does has have a defense for everything technograpy the reason is because

we've been in this game for a long long time we just haven't been public

but we've been through everything you can think of

like we're not stupid we've

arrived at the positions we have

because they have been put through hell fire before

free germs a

roaching jakesbrab

foot

cack up

like we thought this through quite a lot you know we thought this through to a

like

le me put it this way

think about this guys

if infrared are marxist leninists and marxist

and we haven't

we're not on image boards and message boards and all this kind of stuff

what do you think we've been doing with that time instead

the time you would otherwise spend

spend

engaging in all of this social stuff

we were doing rigorous

rigorous intense

studying

research

and you know we were doing so that's what we were doing

so you've got to understand it's going to

result

in a profound level of of

ability to defend yourself

compared it to other people

even lendon critique labor unions

yeah

is it true hos this trend

no you just

i don't think i am

genoesonbody to the stream yeah i like he'se interesting

mm

okay

i was using first language is in english yeah dude

i'an not thing abou

all these attacks on gjk

as you can tell it's a type of racism

you know english is in his first language so people see this slovenian guy

and then the they just attack him because of that

but i know that a lot of non english speakers love g

for the precise reason because they can see themselves

in his

imperfect english you know

a lot of people at tages a got of racism no joke if he if english was his first language

and he would be respected so much more than he is

when you don with let's whatuts you and can you talk a whatot the source of credit system

yeah yeah i can

we're doing d m t

pretty good

i've done that

the

on

yeah i can talk about

i can talk

levine mans it was of agent chaos

to grif

and is using lefty pole to jumpstart his channel

okay

lefty pole found us

if you guys vote you want me to stop browsing left peopole

i'll do it

bunker chan came to us and left people came to us i'm going to check out bunker chan after this 're going to do a poll

i'll do a poll right now

straw pull

got me

should has

check out bunker chan

mad

m

you

yes

no

grateful

what you guys think

i'll give you the poor

watching while defending osh

when did i try to persuade anyone to keep watching i've never done that

this means sucks ud make make overlaid on my face a look good

traad fish and goods

what's this

ran free i'll keep that

there

houses bipolar

wa i'm laugh because of this who's this

tell me who this is guys

got to go onh this is caleb moppin

who's winning he p ps me with

got to go catob is live by

that's ok k we'll

you guys can watch cable if you want to don't care

i just know there's going to be some people here that's fine for me

i don't don't make don't do this oll obligation

um

you have not made is analysis of peterson

he said he's a vulgar metaphysist with the folks have to do with peterson's what is this from

where is that from

when he has pris instead of dismissing him as a

oh it just said

this was a critique of me

also said

join pieson is dio n no serson mention a serious contributed anything

yeah but he's a metaphysician and he's a vulgar metaphysician that's what marx and engeles used to call it

so this is not incompatible he's one gang of retards

ok

judge was right wron his ight i was usting to say you can write like the rest of us no i'm not going to write i'm not going to write

because you found me

you found me

you found me

i didn't find you

and if you want me off left you pull you've got to muster the majority to agree with it and i'll never goan your website again

trust

i'll get away from lefty poole and i'll never go on again

the majority doesn't want me on

i won't go on ever again

that's my promise to you

thing with bunker chan

there isn't a threats toose are that's ok we can say that i've never been on it before

we'll find you it's filled with nazis fascist all right

i'm not scared of them i think i could win a lot of those people over

feel like id want a lot of those people over

i have way more

i

chances of winning fortune people over

then a lot of marxist nerds you're seeing here on this

thread believe it or not

can you make a second channel on every no bk chans become an eronic conspiracies and ns will sit after the split

i don't i'm not privy to the drama but

someone invited me to this

to it

and it looks like no is actually the majority of

what people are looking for here

so we're not going to check it out

only five people voted yes and seventeen voted no

so we're not going to check it out

don't worry about it

we're not going to check itut

bick related actual pictures from map yeah he's a metaphysician

and

he's a metaphysician that's what i'm saying

ah

that's that's my point he's a metaphysician vulgar metaphysician

i

oh there's nothing there

i didn't say i have respect for peterson quite the opposite i said he's an anglo vulgar metaphysician

when you debate vost you know try to get triggered you want you ll because you when they get mad this is scales down was letting you know

yeah but

i feel like it's not the same

with

with cable you know

i

i' raise him in the facts lot sit ofz sores the stor and make him angry

that si is only person to be m so far as the oss a good resource

don't worry guys w we find against was will fit will fare quite well with was

wasosill be our easy i'll have a nicer time with wash

than i do with the good people of left

has what do you think of

of people call capital a feedback loop in a senses a ca air conditioners a feedback

yes there is a cybernetic understanding of capitalism nick land is also fond of it

there's also a thermodynamical understanding of capital that nick lance

describe

and you can think of it in that sense

but i would say the only reason it's true we can call capital a feedback loop

because we're living in socialism and capitalism is a cybernetic epicycle

of a much more fundamental process but i know this triggers

wls so

houses on earth the best lucve to see we haven't had that is a liberal i'm going to watch

thank you brom appreciate

infrad has a weird take on psychada similar to mop and synthetic left therey

skai was in japanese concentration camp

what

what

he was in a japanese concentrated guy i never heard of that

i'm not a fan of m l m too much

in the west

on

i think we need to learn from sources with chinese characteristics

and i think emi lem in the west hasn't learned from the end of the cultural revolution besides accusing everyone of being a revisionist

trader

and i just don't i think it's hardcore subjectivism and i don't buy

think it's

market

sorgy

similar to anar

so to be boss

dick chain wen o of wasching your hysterical

retired

o so might be se you guys

we're done

woh

wow

wow

finally done

we're done with the curse of browsing those threads

like we're never going to do another stream like this again

here's i'm going to tell you it's going to work from now on

you guys listening

from now on

i want youus to only collect posts

that you want me to respond

if you unleft the pool and you see a post

that you think

is worth my time

and you think needs to be addressed and changes your perception of infrared

you make a note of that post

you compile these posts and i'll read only those

from the check

any other streamers you want to debate we'll debate anyone but

we're not going to go out of our way to ask people for a debate

if paul invades this chat would get some more interesting debates

i do think we would i think i'd have an easier time with them too

have you read mind comf no ho don't go to bunker low

you were a mop and center for political innovation

a lot of people asked me about it

yeah it's interesting i find it interesting

so's all right

think cox it rejects them but i think i heard that too cocx rejects dialectics for thermodynamics

the nick land says the same thing except with cybernetics he said cybernetics

that inherits everything worthwhile about dialectics while leaving behind everything that's bad and i completely disagree with

he gave you interviews

he native american pschia gave a few interviews

oh i hoe's a white guy

i like cockshot but it's a kind of physics a stupid as fuck i was just reading some of that the other day

yeah i do disagree with his econuntom physics a lot

but he's interesting he's interesting

but i disagree with it a lot

atracked people's war is permanent revolution of chinese characteristm

is' that the case

be not suit aus for

not correct

yeah

that's that's my view to

not correct i think ski sad that fascism was originally kind of petty booze were social

i think it was something a little more complicated

and

petty booisie

in that sense are usually a majority of people in a country

right

that's why i don't like calling a petty booz

i like calling the peasant

oh fucky i found the retard channel

be beep you want to go for you want to go at it be b

i'm ready

's go at it

b b

i'm a jeep

butt to run you over with my monster truck

skais the best writer

good take on revision and will yeah

on the lump in question i'm going to check another f people thread

sounds good to me that's on gonzale

probably shouldn't repeat what they did

how to talk with ragel excellent

it was the highlight of the stream

didn't someone ask what the social credit system yeat they did

so the social credit system

hold on i got a d ah

i got a deal

i got some d

s know w offer it ok

no problem

on

social credit system i think

is the future for all countries not just china

a

and the phenomena of social credit

is a clear

it's a clear phenomenon

if it's even though it's not formalized already in the u

so china is just formalizing something that's already existed in the uus we call it cloud we call it reputation we call it your resume

so china is a

simplifying all those things

things like the credit score you know but china is integrating all sorts of other

h variables into the social credit system like family like community like what kind of moral person you are

and i think it's an advance in the history of socialism

social credit

so

it's the future

it's the future

social credit is the future

and

shame is digitized

and i have no problem with

but in the s it may take on a

nasty

dimension

nasty form because we don't live in a people's republic

we live in an empty people's republic

any quak takes on quantum physics

my understanding of materialism

is post quantum physics whereas most marxists have a materialism that's grounded in newtonian physics

un engaged with the

tardation that's for chan instead

no i don't want to go after them you know i don't want to seek them out

i'm just saying i'm not scared of anything you know i'm not scared of people

discover us or find us out

and

oh wah

lt yeah exactly great gaddaf is yours you summed it up

the best

thoughts on criminal justice

what is very outdated i think

ah

and is a mark of a civilization of decline is the common law

cif

in america

it's outdated by nineteenth centuries

but it's part of anglo civilization common law

common law is for

the law

and the state

what impiricism is for

philosopy

you know

it's all the same thing

what do you mean by post quantum physics what comes in thatxt

i just mean my dialectic materialism understanding of materialism is informed by the

achievement of quantum physics

it's a materialism in the age of a quantum physics

instead of the newtonian material

a as for

if you're referring to string theory and m theory and all that kind of stuff

i'm very skeptical of

guys can i get you in the chatel

can i get you guys in good faith though that

if you see an argument

and you see a point

on lefty pool that you feel

i'm unable to respond to

just noted down and

because i is a guarantee i can respond

you know

i've responded to every argument against us

like i've responded to literally everything everything they've ever said

or you streaming you think that's

you think that's a

the true direct action

i've responded to all of it

all of these arguments and gotchas and all these points the're trying to make

i've wiped the foking floor with

always

but is it all in vain

you know is it all in vain

i don't know

know

but i'm glad to put this

era behind us you know

i'm glad to put it behind us when' there's never going to be another stream

where i'm going to spend hours skimming through the in reading every

single

arguments against us in that thread we're only going to read what you guys want us to read you the chack

because i only care about what you guys think i don't care about what these people think anymore

i only care if it affects you guys

and you guys are intimidated by

because those of us who tune into infrared you should not have infrared vision and be able to see

and these people have these simplistic gotchas and they're trying to argue with us

and make us seem stupid

and you know

make me seem stupid and shit

you guys should now have the infrared vision to be able to see

how full of shit they are

you know

i'm not done with lefty pole but i'm only going to read with the chat wants me to read now i'm not going to skim through the whole thing anymore

streaing three was justpsed to be an advanced mathematical exercise and a turn in some idiots took it seriously

i honestly think that the

whether it's stream theory and theory or whether it's modern evolutionary synthesis

what seems to be happening is that

there have been breakthroughs in the twentieth century

that people are trying to respond to

from the perspective of the nineteenth and eighteenth century

and seventeenth cent

and to me that's why we're witnessing such a stagnation in the sciences and we're witnessing such stupid things like string theory and mty and all that

the stuff

it's because they're unable to reconcile themselves

with the fundamental achievements of the twentieth century

and the same thing is true politically what happened in the twentieth century

communistm

communism right

communism was for politics

what einstein was for

physics

and our era is trying to respond to communism liberally

and are us trying to respond to einstein

with the baggage of the seventeenth century

metaphysics

there always be an infinite stream of ship posters on an image board

you're right

for the best because let's go views gain

has reached the limit

think so

yeah it was kind of got of boring now that i think

i understand things you're saying

this were back to forty nine viewers

what's stupid about string theory

i don't remember

i think guys don't quote me on this my impression of string theory right off the top of my head

right off the top of my head

i

probise the thread lis on b beyond your stream

the essence of the argument can be lost after only two posts letan four hundred dosing a person in the

yeah i know but i feel like we've proved ourselves already we've proved that these people

who are hating on us

in trying to have these gotcha simplistic arguments

clearly fall flat on their face and fail to address anything about infrad

there's that france about string theory but it's also the fact that

streing theory is unable to reconcile itself with the dialectic insight

of quantum

the mechanics and the nature of

subatomic

i don't know what the fuck onm talking

the nature of the

particle physics

and the wave particle duality and all those kinds of things

it's my impression of string theory this could be completely wrong

it's probably wrong i don't know

i have to go back to why i have beef with string theory i don't remember why you

is that they try to reduce all of the qualities observed by particles which are clearly contradictory

to a string

to a little string

particle

a deeper type of

fundamental substance

and that all of these changes

and variations in the nature of the particle

are just oscillations and results of the different

forms of the stream

i that's my very superficial

idea of

still need to reconcile quantum mechanics with relatively no i know

another thing people don't understand is that

particle physics and quantum mechanics

isn't reconciled with thermodynamics

thermodynamics is also

a something that is latent with incredible

internal contradictions

that have yet to be reconciled with

the insights of

particle physics

and i

don't this is from

i don't want to en say his name i i drop his name i'm going a track to onch of idiots to

but

another guy talked about how

in the sphere of thermodynamics there's a contradiction between

practical

it was the argument

theoretical or

and statistical thermone dynamics is a really big

glaring contradiction

at the heart of thermodynamic

and the all of these contradictions in the sphere of

the

empirical or natural science

sciences

revealed to us

fundamentally inadequate

understanding of being

it doesn't get it listen

our thermodynamics is basically everything

thermodynamics is the driving force of everything including biology

it's it's an understanding of the driving force of everything

including biology and all that kind of stuff

right

so if we can't get our thermodynamics

correct

and that's internally contradictory and full of bunch problems

i just want to know where the audacity of these anglo determinists

hussey

d a weacon

pin down your personality to a sequence of d n a i want to know where they get that confidence from

and all this biological determinism stuff

when they can even get something as simple as thermodynamics

down consists

what is the origin of life itself a simple question

no one can answer

what do you think about liquid sun

i'm too stupid to remember what

probably heard of that

basically just ancient greek wu with

twenty percent i don't i also don't like

the m

eleven dimensions thing i think that's also

that

metaphysical extrapolation

honestly if we had a dialectic perspective we wouldn't actually need

to fill the gaps in holes

in the way that they're doing you'd be able to recognize the contradiction itself is objecti

right

i really think

try to debate or react so and don because he's a fairly large leftter streman who promotes hyper empiricism

like everything has to be in pears

empirical

well there's two ways i could go about that

i could take a devil's advocate position of a non socialist

and prove that if we're going to be rigid empiricist

you couldn't defend

a socialist position

or

or i could just argue against impiricism in general

why empiricism limits our ability to relate to being

at large

but

i find it a little bit ridiculous that anyone could be in empiricism

when these are controversies that theg

date back to the eighteenth century

conts already proven

that empiricism is bolshit

if we're living in twenty twenty one

twenty twenty one

there shouldn't actually be in a debate about empiricism because empiricism

was blown the fuck out by kant after kt you can't be an empiricis

you just can't

you have to address cont somehow

you know he brings up an elephant in the room that just can't be ignored

so

being an empiricist after cont is just like

unthinkable

you know

so all i would have to do is introduce con

and it would blow him the fuck out

like simple contian points simple contian arguments

why is your stream thumbnail byonical

' not a bionical it's a robot

and i made this ream because i read

because i knew i was going to do that lefty pol thread i skimmed through it and i was like

i'm going to be like a hyperrobot

attacking everyone

get contabout on the show i'd love

i like conto bots a lot

is there a good video i've never

heard of socialsm dumbla

let's check him out

why don't we check him out

our thumbail's see

by the way

looking at it right now

six f

uh

so what video shd i watch about

a

socialsm don laugh

he seemed pretty wrong to me i mean the seem pretty long to me

debated udimodia i think

capitals resourcesm evidence based leftism who i recoil at that phrase evidence based leftism

how ugly and disgust

is no such thing as evidence based left as a

evidence doesn't mean anything

evidence doesn't matter unless you're fucking in a lab and you're directly doing it practically and

then it matters

but evid i believe in russian fake news it doesn't matter

it doesn't matter you known't the direct dogan was right about that

you're saying he's relatively small he's got thirty case sbs dude

that's a lot

that's way more than us

they began has

how should watchppear to day

i should do it on the tendency for the rape ok

m

great

debate with marx

oh it's one hour though

since it's the start

empiricism

is so fucking stupid it's not even funny

so stupid man

so stupid andpu

the main reason for all the gun fatalities is the fact

people indeed have gn

well use knives right

it's so stupid to use empiricism

like i would see if you don't have guns

can't shoot people

or what what did he say there's less deaths with knives in the u k

but america is a different country this is the wild west

i don't buy this idea that firearm

and here's another dumb shit thing

about socialism donb left

you want to know what it is

how can you highly restrict firearms

you can't do it

there's so many in circulation in america

that from a practical person i'm going to be an american pragmatic and i'm going to spit right back in his face if he wants to be an impeers

and i'm going to say

practically speaking you can't fuck and do it

you're assuming abstractly that you should be able to do it abstractly

but you can't

i'm telling you you're not going to be able to do it

even if you wanted to

you can't do it

how about them apples

don't make abstractions about what you should do based on the empirical evidence

talk to me about the

material and popular realities

that will prevent you from ever being able to

wish you could do it

well the science is on my side

now all i got to do is convince people

but that's the hard part

that's the reason you'll never get it done

is you're not going to convince people to lay down their arms

you just not

you're not going to youre gon to always be in an anti popular position if you're only going to focus on facts

and

empiricism and all that kind of shit

you're only going to focus on

you're only going to be at odds with the majority of the people

you focus on those things

most people are human beings

they're not robots like i you saying

breadlines are pretty cool bra i like spending all days standing in breadlines

what the fuck does that have to do with any

ever shot a gun has

force

seems we want

are

you will never

take

done

yeah

susans on left is reports

discord means

in't everyonet to

is blady infrared aesthetic

we check that out

was

wants to abolish police

wants to confiscate guns

i think abolis police is a stupid phrase

and it's just a stupid phrase for that people who

want attention use i don't know why we've never said that

but

if we seize power in the proletarian dictatorship

and all that stuff

then the police will be replaced with the people's militia

you know

you just give it a different

yeah no no i mean fundamentally yes

yes

a it will be different

it will be

once police tofent yeah it's true that's actually good point dud

wait well wait ordinary non player character

raise a really good point

these same people like sosen then left their libertarian leftis is

and they want to abosh the police

but he also wants to confiscate guns

and you know what ordinary non player character

does not apply for so many other things about leftist you notice

don't aren't they always trying to say

i we want to bos pleliase and they want to implement all these restrictions

and security measures and

you know rules that they want to impose on the majority of the people in their country

and it's a really interesting thing

infrared he should check oup

sosa on that

research dot

oh boy

oh boy

oh boy what we got

going on no no blade is not ourthetic

just because it shows infrared lights

doesn't mean

stinky right wing or fact she by stis n left

fokom ideal

he he he

he blinks cockshot

democracy has greatly increased over time

weing have to do with these robot people

most the left are just more or less

they are nat

dude replace police with george dude now

not the

no do

you're talking about the black people's business

of the black community

and yeah

that that whole issue is an issue of a national struggle

and a sovereignty

struck struggle of the black people

to have their own shap their own police their own communities

you know you just lost me there do

you want to place a police of people who can't hold on a job at mcdonald's

when did i say that

were you talking about

in't what you talking about

so our first right wing and schat

um

look what he links

look at this fuck and idiot links though

you see this guy's

and this is what i'm supposed to debate with

so send them back to africa

no

no gid no we're talking whatou

there

it's the forty acres in a mule

that was promised

after the civil war

land reform

this is a land reform channel we want land reform for everyone

whathere did you call how did you find just out of curiosity how did you find us

i have heard cont but what is the reason why we don't learn from pasts experience

evidence based leftist

because of this map

so this guy is trying to

use this map

as an argument

that's offensive you weep

i'm the troll not

i'm not a trool i'm a fortune insid

and call you ral or he's just a tral

your fortune insult from pole

how did you find this tell me how you found this

i'm interested here i'll go

was it the algorithm

dude this is what he's going to use so like i debate him

somebody linked the stream on li

keg w now we're famous

mm

whatever do

whatever udn't

but how can we don't have the views to show for it like i want to at least one like one hundred ears to show for this

thing right

on

link the thread yeah link me the thread who did that by the way

someone probably really mad

i don't care dude i'll win them over better than i do these bought her

someone made a throw on pool and linked

dude it was a lefty pooor guy who did it

because

they think that everyone from pool is going to come and

and take over the stream but

more attention more views more likes some more cloud

is what i want

are you jewish

no

no the polar people are here

guys don't give me fucking band ok you can

don't give me band ok

or i don't know

i have to enforce you tube's rules you know i'm saying i have to enforce you tube's rules

wasn't me

meet

ban anybody who sy like bannable shit on youtube

for you tubse rules

pole is a shit wle i've never been on it actually

but i think it's the i think lefty pol is like the same thing

or lefty pull was the splinter from that one

our presenter is one hundred per cent jewish no but close

close and b c dude i'm not jewish i'm arab

it's very close

like

i come from this

place i think this is where the jews are from too right so we're like cousins

so i'm kind of like a super jew basically

i guess

i

oh you just seem like you have an inclination toward collecting shakles

yeah because i'm semititic

you understand i'm sen semitic

like

kmoks father was a rabbi yeah we know

yeah

you should debate that guy which guy

very old rivalry in history truly around this and rema situation what are you talking about

what are you talking about

oh man

i

i can imagine from debating this guy's n well according to the democracy index

and he thinks this is empiricism

do don't you understand that the fucking matrices they used to judge this is predefined it's not fucking it's not a raw and direct access to some empirical metaphysical object

you don't fight

this is empiricism how this is so arbitrary du

how can you reject the i q map

and yet sh'll this shitp

what a fucking idiot debating this guy's going to be annoying dude

ss going to be annoying debating him

if it comes to the

can be annoying

you both worship a black qe

because the jewish people have the thing

then everyone who disagrees with me

no

ban everybody who will get infrared band

sorry dude we got

debate me

m i twitter you can come o on way to om you can debate me

but you'rejus going to troll you're going to scream the nword

m and twitter

the guy

would quote the o s and why moralis was actually a dicttor what a fucking moron

yea i'll debate anybody

but

are you actually a comy or just an arab comy who ties comunism with arab nationalism no i'm am

communist hundred percent communist

i

yeah

i live in america so i know what you're asking am i part of like the both party or something i live in america so no

i'm just a communist

i've been banned from t since twenty fifty

dude make a new one

are you ip band just make a new one dude

make a new twitter

oh my god dude

is said i've been banned from twitter from since twenty fifteen

couldn't make a new one in that time

that

oh man

break time

n not yet

oh man

so what level of communist internationalism do you believe in

the north owl weere marxist leninist

an infrared

so

for us

we believe in a communist

we believe in the internationalism

through

the national

reality

we don't we don't o bypass the national reality in the name of cosmopolitan

universalism

i think that's anglo so we reject anglo universalism

and i like chinese universalism and chinese universalism

is the universal

through the particular

on

loud sing

your band as well

k w

he's take the

twitter rules and regulations very susions for making a new account which would circumvent his van

my nation state

well we're in this we're in a post nation state era we're in this era of polarities

we're in the era of polar

on

suffer national polarities like china and russia

and franco germania and all that kind of shit

that the big question is america what nation is america

america doesn't really have a nation

so het least you're not retarded

it i mean

if if you're asking if we're like

we're not

we're not like the american left to see your use

ha was there internation

infrared is a very internationalist

thing you know it half was her

from other countries

beyond that

where is the you two chan

we focus on national conditions of each country

and each polariti

what do you think a whatout esperanto

i was always skeptical of esperanto

you know i feel like

each listen each

historical period

some language becomes the lingua franca

like

latin

in greek

and

persian and arabic

and mongolian

and english now and maybe chinese will be the new lingual franc i don't know about creating one from scratch you know

america is a state

more so than a nation

america is a very strange america is the communist

state

right

because just abstraction

i'm not don't call me on that guys

you know what i mean

don't don't fucking get so mad because no no n you know what i fucking mean right

in the sense of like an abstract universalism

o

where people are only united by the

state

and there's no deeper national reality that united

figres different kinds of ideologies here

translation technology will bypass the need for a global language

really think so

so do you believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat yes

clip it and shifp it boys yeah watson in ipos and love people

oh my god i said that he thinings america's a communist state well in the optics of saying that on a funggy five hour stream and i was ever going to see oh my god dude su

bok

i want to see the fucking thing people link

needs can you find the

uh thread that

people are coming from

fortune

i want to see what's going on

i wish greek and latin were still teached at least optionally

i always found latin such a boring language

but i agree about greece

but

not latin i will look

ok

man needs the o g

i sent it can but you have to be modered to link

yeah you tube it won't let me

it won't let me link anything that's not

yeah yeah

copy link

what is going on

debaate me i'm streaming right now

dud

do

this was a guy from lefty pool

guys check that out there's a guy from lefty pool who's trying to

he's trying he thinks this is like going to

he's trying to wage war against me by other means

that b t f oed everyone in that threat and left

what a pussy dude

because i beat my lefty pool

this is probably sage or somebody

he goes on fortune

and he tries to get everyone to brigade me

i'm not scared you i'll debate anyone

unblocked third parties

comb your hair

no

asking capitalists to help your city stream

this isn't me dod

ok

ok

that's not it's not i don't find that interesting at all

um

so you have ever looked into the third position you yazi

like fascism and national socialism

i think those are mean

trends

and i think fascism and national socialism was an invention

by the elites of england in america to take down the soviet union

and that it's a historical period confined

to

germany

that's what i think

i think that all that shit was invented by the anger

english bankers

and american english financiers

and look up smedley butler's business amens plot

and they also wanted to take over america

and smedley butler exposed to expose all them and prescott bush who's the grandfather of george w bush was involved in that fucking plot so these are some deep seated lizard reptilian type of illuminati people

who were funding the fascists and the nazis because they wanted to take down the soviet union

responses are worse than lefty pool

no they weren't dude those are way better than lefteopole's responses

i'm fine with people just calling me whatever

my fucking problem is left people give people give me paragraphs

wasting my time on that

fuck and lefty pool

did you see how fast that thread was on fortune

i don't have to read anything

it was fine i was fine with that threat

then why did they declare war in germany and not the soviet union

well here's the thing north o

the reason was because

when germany invaded

tech

well what's so funny

when germany invaded

the soviet union

elements within

the british

and american ruling classes

disagreed with those elites that funded the fascists

such as f d r

and such as churchill

they represented a different facts

more or less and they were they were popular fact

they were popular fact

d r is basis of power wasn't actually the lizard people

it was actually the majority of the american people

the populistic sense

the the cobals of bankers and financiers

who funded the businessman's plot

did so to overthrow fd

they were the prescott bush

george w bush's grandfather

funded

wanted to fund and raise an army of veterans to take down f d r

so f d r and those people in america and england

represented elements hostile

to german nazism

but before for example those political changes in those countries

you had what with england you had what's that fucking guy's name

the peace in our time guiy

get

but yeat

and you can i'll show you videos

of the english royal family doing nazi salutes

where's this

english royalty nazi salutes

i can show i can find those for you

you know this morning so this is we're talking about something that didn't originate in germany

but originated by the english elites

and this is all going back a very long time

hundreds of years probamly

s that wonder right there f b i coming through in that moment

why

byb check are you jewish

no dude

and i'm worse than jewish dud i'm a super jew because i'm arab

and you know

are we

like the same thing pretty much

i don't know what the whole

the mem is

lorer time yeah

that's the ld ok but you said they funded nazi germany to attack the soviet union troop

yeah but the roman salute is older than nazi germany

yeah i know but in context in the nineteen thirties

the reason the english royal family was doing it

was because they were sympathetic to the nazis and that's a very

known that's like that's known it's known that the

british elements of the british royal family

we're really sympathetic to the naz

it's like

it's something they've tried to cover it up but it's true

wrong answer

why is that the wrong anser

are you sure it wasn't a roman greeting

n know yes i am sure because in context

you know it's like guys

guys are active guys are like those actually actually is the roman gred

do

in context that was a nazi salute

wasn't even roman originates from painting thousands of years after the event

don't they do it in the middle east to the shem salute

ay body the nine hundred thirty was before world war two you dump

dumo

yeah i know

what's your point

what's your point

the nazi

before i know

i know but that doesn't change

that they were associated with nazism the british royal family

so i didn't mention war crime

what are you talking about

edward this eight met hitler very true

he's referring to your self described ethnicity

yeah i'm arerab

i'm an arab you

so the british royal family wasn't in control

parliament was and everyone knows it was the royal family takes much power

parliaments would revolt

like in france but you're talking about ancient history at that point

like you know

maybe one hundred two hundred years before

for england three hundred you know

there was an english ruling class

it was sympathetic to nazism

they failed to garner the necessary majority in their own country

because they then the nazis were not popular

tuber when i don't know what that is

it was just a mean bro

ribbon tom malt of deal was wrich no it wasn't retarded

it was necessary to save the soviet union time which is what they desperately needed

and

they're very clear about that after the war

that was the reason for

they made a swift u turn after

hitler did his stick

yeah

well it was also the fact that

hitler was in charge of germany and germany and england

historically have a rivalry as

you know

as world power

so it was a very contradictory war

general

not really even today if the rowam was sat fuck you i'm in power now the problece would raise a revolt

known to north how i think they would just laugh at them

they would just say they belong in the psych ward and they're mentally ill

i don't think that's like something that could happen in the modern

time

no

they're like celebrities

the royal family to me isjust a proxy for the general ruling class

i'm not saying the royals are in power

but they do represent

blood lines and connections and

all sorts of shit that goes back hundreds and hundreds of years

you know

you take on my and more i don't know enough about it sey

by many countries

what many count

and then both were to have

play some isis music the'll stop asking about juice

i kind of look jewish don't i

i do love jewish

fine with that

paul pot

o

came iude the queen has more power over law than previously thought

i don't f ya australia or something right

that's what i'm saying if the fascists had taken control of the u k then they wouldn't have gone to war with germany

and the soviet union would have been crushed

but the fascists couldn't take control of the u k the north owl

that's a really that's a that's a stretch that hypothetical is a big stretch

they couldn't take power not with popular support

the uk

had too strong i'd say you look more turkish

yeah i've been told that too

i've been told i look turkish too

he looks love

i i've been told that a lot to

in person i've been told

yet turkish

is one i get a lot to

israel is a national socialist country

is

oh ya

and why was that

why couldn't it become fascists

england

because it's too direct

because fascism is a is a scandal

fascism is an embarrassment

fascism reveals

what england actually is it's the whole it's an it's a way of exposing

the entire british empire for what it really is

and that's why it was just too direct it was too out in the open

who supported the other side against the fascists

the other side didn't need support against the well they needed some support but this support was not decisive like

youll always mean about the len lease program' is the biggest bullshit ever

on

but

yeah they were the allies

so

you look like felix biderman

know that it is

mosley was incompetent

and to be a f you in that popular sport exactly

the fucking former prime minister be for which is that if germany goes to war i resign

and then when urchill came to power

what's your point

can we talk about fascist poland today

what's that guy's name put

piz ludski

i don't know if that's so much about fascism but it's about

holdu

with

poland lithuania commonwealth

what he wanted to revive

which is what poland wants to revive today with the three

seasonsiative

talking out of your ass

weow i'm not talking i'm ass

point

the len lease came after moscow and stalin greg

yeah i know

the world

the war was won at that point exactly christian stevens is a smart guy

the lend leases thing is a big mean

's not true

that it was decisive for the war

pillzut ski yea

i know if i call

fascist per se

think that was a little bit different

intermarriam project yeah exactly that's exactly what was called that's what happened is going on in belarus right now

and to an extent what happened in ukraine but especially it's most explicit in belarus

my point is who opposed mosley was big bankers i don't think that's true at all northou i think big bankers secretly just like they did in america funding the businessman's plots

would have wanted someone like that in power in england

but they couldn't say it publicly because

it would be

not

favorable to them but the elites secretly i think would want

fascis

they were putting fascists in prison in the u k by creating honeypot group

yeah but

that's the police

you have to understand if you're going to be conspiratorial and i am a conspiracy brain type of person

you have to realize

that it's not one uniform thing

the police institutions the law institutions the state

these are there are all so many different actors and so many different ways in which

powers exercise

and it's all contradictory

you know

intermit

irridentism in my pum

sounds like you just hate anglo

i don't hate

i don't hate them but i feel like

i

i feel like instead of all this anti semitic

stuff

which is a tired old mean

it's like

i feel like jews get a lot of flag for the british crime

that's my view

i mean don't mean the government i mean the people

i don't know what you mean

soviets won the nazis after losing twenty million soldiers hiller only lost five million

was it a little more

but the soviet union had more people in general

what's your point

i don't know was it twenty million soldiers i think it was twenty seven million

casual

he's

not an acxident

souldn't

i may be a capitalist but if i see a fine

well you're wrong

are you capitalist minty fresh

fund me if you're capitalis you have a lot of moy

well

just wrong the first reason to create a honeypog group is lord rosschild to put fascists in prison

i highly doubt that dude i highly doubt

feel that's just like a made up me

why would lord rothschild himself

personally

do it

that's stupid

the rosschilds go back a long time

and i think by this time in the thirties they weren't even that big any

can we all agree to fock everyone on twitter thank you

yeh folk twitter do

i'm split

on lukashenko he seems yeah it's

kind of slit to

needs bend i guys s to give me band

sorry dude

communists are filled

this is likely a trol

you can you don't have to ban that guy but just ban the people who say banhable ship

on

who cares about logistics

let's talk idiology

sure

definitely not the elite want to global liberal one mixed with new brave world

but liberalism is the source of fascism

liberalism is a source of fascism

believe it or not

that's why

nothing

right

nothing

is that

the elements in the soviet union such as trotsky and several others

who represented the west

and western liberalism

sided with fascism against stalin

so there's that

yeah

yeah there was a big

deeper struggle going to

most of the losses incurred in the first few months of ward due to encirclements

not a meet wave strategy as we boe describe based ok you're honest guy you're honest guy

oh you're christian seven you're a smart guy yeah yeah

you're right

right

still better than jasu and reo and this guy

i kind of respect jason

you know

he's been around for a while

what's not true

fascism is the antithesis of liberalism

i disagree i think fascism is fundamentally the

just like anarchysm was liberal

and

a trotskis and is liberal i think it's fundamentally liberal

and i think the reason is because

fascism only talks about it

stalinism and marxism leninism actually does it

fascism talks about the olk and the people in the nation of the organic whole

but it does so from a reflexive liberal intellectualistic

spect

stalinism ands marxism leninism actually arrives at the essence of what those things really are in actual reality

the awakening of the russian people

could only happen through marxism leninism

it couldn't it doesn't happen through fascism because fascism is purely reflexive liberal

ideology

trotsky never sided with the fascist love yes he did it was proven

some soviet some russian history proved he did he did

are you for global abolishing

a privatization

i what you mean you mean like all private

property

in the sense of the

no i believe in socials with chinese characterists

no

no i don't believe in that

i know i don't believe

would you're saying i don't believe

right

yes he did

liberalism is modern fashism yeah liberalism is fascism

the same thing

communism is was a goals human throregm through maximize equality

no dude no dude you're wrong you're wrong

marxan angles right that equality is a

equality is a matter of equal before the law so it's a bourgeois virtue

of the french

after the french revolution

and that

while initially you don't oppose it

because it's a pure it's a purely a matter of

fok politics all are equal before the law

communism doesn't entail

everyone being equal in the sense you're trying to say maximize equality communism has nothing to do with

nothing to do with

and what you' you talking about

jason has been around a minute like angles and moxs were explicit about the whole thing like

yeah equality is a phrase

and it's not there

course in actual material reality

people are different

and those differences will flourish under

i don't like talking about future sites

communism is about owning you and putting a bullet in the back d if you don't fall in line

you're so wrong

you just don't have it you're just not

properly introduced to what communism is because you live in the west

and

if you talk to people in the east and in russia

and in china

they'll give you a different story

for them communism is their dignity

their national and

civilizational dignity

the name for their liberation

it's the name for their

war against the japanese war of aggression it's the it's all those kinds of things

that's what communism is communism is the dignity of the people

their dignity

equality does not exist in humans it depends on what you mean by quality what do you mean by quality do you mean

any if we don't bring back

aristocrats and monarchs and lords

that it's e quality it's total equality i disagree with that

i don't think you have to believe in total metaphysical equality

to recognize the fact

that

futile explicit

differences coded ins stan shated in the politics

create parasites

who are in fact degenerate

and

malformed and lazy jeus look at that picture of that hapsburg guy

that fuck and habsburg guy you want to what the result of fucking lack

like look at this habsburg

job

's no one talk about

look at this fucking guy dude

this is what happens

this is the result

of the kind of

inequalities in politics

this is what happens

so that's why this political equality so that our real differences can flourish

ok

sorry i'm i'm

i'm behind

is this is destiny's dad

thisys little brother do everybody keeps come

paing me to fuck and destiny i don't know why

stop preparing me to destiny guys

i'm not destiny

what characteristics of china do you like exactly

i consider china

socialism with chinese characters

i consider china to be the pinnacle

of this history in this continuity

it not just that i like one characteristic i think china is an example of a modern social

country

my father grew up in communism poland and it fucked my family hard

how

explain how

think about

communism really comes down to the same problems as capitalismw work and

shut the fuck up

the real question is will you work less or we have to free speech if not love i think you're thinking about it too abstractly

i think you're thinking about it too atractly

the thing about communism is that it comes down to

i

how do i explain it

so tough to explain what communism

i mean you're always have to work in life

but

communism is the precise thing that allows for

shaking

a

shaking up the relation you have to

tution

they call world war two the great patriotic war in russia

exactly

thtuck communism can be affected because it supports the political status quo egotarianism

you're very wrong

bruce foster very very well

communism is the true enemy

of the status quo

it's the true enemy of the status q

it's the actual enemy of the status

why do you think they compared trump

and all of his supporters to communism

they compared trump

to mouss a don't

and

all this trump era liberals who were mad about trump

did nothing but turn out anti soviet and anti russian propaganda

because they associate

people's movements with communism

it's the biggest thing they're scared of

youur bloodam

qualities of false goda will never exist where you getting the what do you mean by qualities my question

a

even in egotarians women return to more

person carries roles and men go to more

manral

i don't know what egotarianism means

what do you mean by

if you guys think about it

i don't know why there's an egoitarianism mean

because all the stuff you're talking about i think which is like the wok stuff all the kind of stuff

isn't it the opposite like

they don't want everyone to be the same they want to create

new special rules

addressing different

groups

so i don't know why you're focusing on the

egallitarianism

remember the movie incredibles i hate disney to don't bring up disney

waloking

your nose

so

mayor of dude

we wanted we had to have this nose to breathe in the desert

everyone was fucking poor and the corruption was hard all the doctors

pass money under the table

at what point in the history and from whose perspective right

some people were downwardly mobile i think the majority were upwardly mobile

pol

so it depends on who and at what time especially in the eighties when the stagnation and

crisis was starting to kick in

there was especially shitty and if you're talking it was your dad you probably experienced it in the

time of which it collapseed

she's not

whole time

his equality does not exist anywhere else

it is immateals to god they can ever be achieve

what do you mean i what you guys are talking about

you say it

is but never how

read the definition of egoitarianism but why are you so hung up

no i don't believe egotarianism is a thing i don't believe that's like

i think

you know i think that's something you're focusing on

you know

like i think you're the one who's isolating that

and what do you want instead of egalitarianism

is which is what you're calling it for example i'm being egotarian

because i'm talking to the whttle chat

you know

blindly i don't i can't see your faces i don't know who the fulk you are so i might be e it sing like what are you talking about

like are you luk why are you talking against egle attornans so you're from fortune

dude

you that's like me saying

i'm only going to talk to you if you have the blue verified blue check

is that what you're saying

is that the opposite of what you guys are about or what

ever heard of the timestann

trying to explain his mom his job in the uus s r

yeah i know she's ho

my equality versus

yeah it is it is anglo t your dude it is anglo tr

fucking anglos here

tod

we're not about that

jordan peterson is a live

we're not egallitarian

you kind of are though you kind of are eglitarian

when peter in spider man

like holkum on fortune

for example

you all don't have

blue checks and shit

right

peter and spider man three turns evil he answers phone with so long

plaing that one smart guy

i don't know dude

i don't know what you're trying to see

she said solong

status quo equals racial and gender equalitarianism

i feel like you guys are saying just because the status quo isn't nazi or something

means they're actively egalitarian but i don't believe in that

the gudg just saying just because the status quo

are not doing hitler salutes and shit

means they're actively going out of their way not to when they otherwise would be

but maybe they would be

k

but you guys got me in

my grandfather lived through that and he shafted to now is foking tim sub party working for twenty percent most of the same job

yeah but whose fault is that if his retirements now back going to blame communism for that

dude i know everyone was falked over after communism

but

the suit the problem was liberal

the liberalisation

that's why there needs to be a return to communism

and i think a lot of people haveostalga for communism because everyone got fucked over after liberalization

i don't i don't believe in the eagle yeah it's an anglo spook to i don't believe

so i'm catching up

you aturns when i get to fuck nicky menage

who is not one person i don't know anything about it dude so

bear with me i don't know anything about anything any of that

youtars was a scam

lots of different ideas i don't doubt it

pulls many pulls on

political doctrine that holds that all people in a society should have equal rights from birth

yeah but that's just post feudalism

rights yeah equal rights

equal rights but what is a right

right like for example

rights can only be confined to something

formalistic legal state

you know

fascists believe no one is equal from birth

but you're trying to transpose that to this sphere of political form

and that's the problem

in the sphere of political form

we we are all equal in a sense

right

when we have this baseline that's when the differences can

everyone is a yeah everyone is different but in what sense are we equal

if you're not an individualist

individuals will argue how like how you' ar going

if you believe

there is a collectivity

and some fundamental sociality

whether you want to call it a nation

or civilization or anything else that unites a people

then you have to accept that in some sense and in some regard all are equal before it

to the extent that they're participating

not to the extent of their

terminate qualities as individuals

therefore unequal from birth

that's a truism though it'ss not saying

blacks and asians are not an equal genetic grounds here you go the anglo bal shit do you lost me

osson with the anglo dum aserie

dude

science is bullshit

genetics is bullshit

and i can prove it

wel yah it's a euphemism

but how come you guys are supposed to be the most anti establishment

skeptical conspiracy theorists

and yet you believe in the most institutionalized

dogmas in biology and you're not taking the licencle pill

for example

why don't you study licincle iicinkle was right

nothing is egalitarian

life is inherently unequal and only equal in the application of the law

that's already the formal law

want to work as a doctor

but more people were able to work as doctors in communism than before

communism is idealism i disagree

they lost their pensions and free health care yeah

exactly do

exactly

it was fucked up

yes and fascists believe that rights don't exist

no they don't they do know they do believe rights exist every modern state believes rights exist

ok

marxists don't believe rights exist

marxists are the ones who want to subplt rights

formalistic rights

i

their rights existed in and sphere of rights

existed in both

fascist italy and germany i want you talk about

only right that exists in the state of nature basically return to feudalism

the north oll the problem with that is that after modernity

you cannot that itself is reflexively mediated and the only instanceiation of that

what is the right

is through the modern formalistic state

so after modernity there's no going back

it already introduced something that you can't put back in the can

you know

only right that exists is the state of nature

i know but

why is that reflexively mediated because you can't just return to the natural thing

the more you try to just return to the natural thing

the more artificial you clearly are

no i never wanted to be equalit when jenny's in prison

in a way

i'm not a right winger i am a

wow

everyone's got their

ideologies on

right

i think you're just have an abstract intellectual

yeah

i

yah

equality doesn't exist what must be constructed artificially everything but what is what if artificiality

is reel

ever thought of that

genetics is not books

what the fuck

dude i know what i'm saying

controversial

ok

saying it that stimulate your minds and me

think outside of the box

when they talk about genetics

and know what the buck they're talking about actually

when they talk about genetics

they don't know what they're talking about

they don't know what they're talking about

they haven't pinned it down

they haven't gotten it solid air tight

they don't know the origin of life

stop believing it

there are d n a sequences and shit

but all these institutions they're all fucking grifters and look they're all fucking scamming and conning the public to

don't overestimate

genetics mean

it is just a fucking me

micentcle pill exactly

what i thought communism is scientific yeah but it's not anglo cook science

it's

people's science you understand it's a different type of science

come just meeting right now

communism is scientific

but science is not the same thing as anglo saxon metaphysics from the seventeenth cent

how is genetics bullshit explain i't have time to explain but i was want to say

that modern evolutionary synthesis and its dogmas

i would say more that

the people pretending like they understand

with their calling genetics don't actually understand

it

and they're bluffing

that's how these institutions work

these scientists and all these people

are giving you this impression that they know things about nature that they actually don't

there's a lot of things they just don't know

fairness works

quality doesn't

dude

i'm so sick of the arguing about a quality i don't care about it let's just focus on something else

st the state of nature still the same

yeah exactly

exactly agent a re

when you moant licenco

yeah i dodude a lot of youi need to be

red pilled aout lif cancle

because he's the one been slandered by all these

both siting

ution

i would have

licencle pi a genetic case the guy without arms sapear to the guy

warn

arm

that it's not about genetics michael

michael you just took a billion steps

from the beginning that

the d n a sequence determines everyth

i

like cancos idea was that

the site of determination cannot be said to be some type of

immutable essence

proper to the organism

the organism preponder rates the determination

of artificially implies that it's created by humans everything's created by humans

will not truly last

nothing will last

that's do

dialectics nothing will last everything's impermanent

sorry communist principles of equality are based on

you're making should upd there's no communist principles of equality

no you know you're wrong dude you're wrong

and by the way why bring up

a biology and evolution

when no one knows anything about those that are relevant to politics or any of

no one knows anything about

you don't have to bring up biology when no one knows what the fuck the origin of life is

state of nature is an eternal law

what is it that

show me what your state of nature is and in a string of words

call that the eternal law

and i promise you it'll change

nationalism good or bad spends on what you mean

exactly great gdhafi they were renamed as epiganete

what a scam

find genexs for your point of view min is that genes that

define that define how you develop

yeah that's metaphysical

good nationalism is everyth

i disagree with

you should bring one of these agitators onstream goll diam me on twitter and i'll send you a zoom invicee

you

i'm just going to see the andenward

will you to ban our channel forever if someone does that or can i get away with it once

someone does that

as

get on a zom wtch

want to remain an ot ofus think so i'll

they're being respectful so far so i'm not going to challenge them to azume

they're being respectful so far

and

a nation state is not artificial if it represents

the nation and

it

s natural as a tribe

but you never arrive at that nat the only way you can arrive at that naturalness you're talking about is through communism because i promise you the russian people experience that naturalness

the germans didn't when they were nazis the fascist italians didn't

they experience pure artificiality of modern society and all that alienation

only through communism

do people

preserve

their communal ties and their sense of community

against the tide of the modernistic atomization that makes everyone an individual adam

lefty pole zoom h why can't pull

you believe in evolution

what do you mean by that do i think organisms change and shit yes

but do i believe in modern evolutionary synthesis

a no i think it's

bunch of contradictory mismatch

incoherent shit i think

do

woulden't even know what egolitarianism was

yes i did i was just trying to say like what do you mean by

because i don't see what's so essential about

don't say it for safety's sake

i hope you didn't get forever band because outsah i i do was

can you please explain the bunk statistical correlation and d n c s and pce

in full detail not wasting my time in this guy's jeg

you just told me you're not going to waste my time and you want me to waste my time pulling out maps and doing whats anglle dumb fuckery

magic wi witchcraft dumb shit that only impresses

idiots who are impressed by numbers and statistics i want you to look up a guy named aasem nicholas taleb he debunks the whole

bullshit about statistical correlations and d n a and i q and all that shit

he dis proroves it he's not a leftist

he's not a communist either

and he did it pretty persuasively

and simply

you believe in frauds pushed by pencil pushers working in institutions

who don't get in their fucking hands dirty in the mud for a living

but instead they fuck and go in their institutions and they get paid to sit around on their ass and just be parasites

regurgitating institutional establishment paradigms for the status quol and the reptilian lizards of the deep state who are funding them like gjeffrey epstein all those fucking people who is friends with stephen pinker and all the scientific establishment but you to hear about that though you sis a conspiracy de is you want to keep it on by genes and the whole spooky science when it's funded by the funcking oligarts and shit

sorry

i

i disagree

nation is before everything if you're trying to sell communism without nation you

eight

here

dude

you don't have to be so hosted on somebody eat shit

ok

i understand there is national reality

this is so much appears as bos i know

i really want to imply that soion cared more for its voc than

nazi germany absolutely i would

the soviet union was a people's state it was a state that only existed for its people

a yes i would argue that

i would argue that actually i think

the

what was aiming at in the german romanticism of the

nineteenth century was realized only in communism

fascism was just the fake anglo version of

everything i don't like is anglo pretty much at

what your thoughts on christian christians christianity

i like orthodoxy more

talib is a libertarian i think he is

type the guy's name

infrared is the left out zone

so long

heard commis killed a bunch of christians in ukraine

not

there was anti religious

stuff

that was going on in the thirties

but they weren't just killing christians and everyone was a christian in the soviet union are you kidding

or half of all people were at least

explicitly

it was aver there was churches in the cold closes in the villages and stuff

they're making that up to don't believe in ukrainian

propaganda funded by the american deep state

in the reptilian lizards that are in charge

there's all the same people by the way

don't don't believe in you going to believe in ukrainian propaganda now dude

butough you guys were base

hitler was a glowy

in the past

now dodu this ukrainian propaganda

don't believe that don't s

why would they only do it in ukraine why not russia to why not belarus to

they would do it in ukraine want to do it in belarus

they because in belarus you don't have bunch of spooks in power

and they're not they don't have an incentive to repeat american deep state propaganda that's why in bellarus they don't see that shit but only in ukraine they see that dumb shit

damn

holl bean or nar yeah exactly holl do more is bunch of bullshit

made up bullshit

feet made a boost

just like othy' trying to make up

china's killing the weaers

they're going to starve a country like germany

and then put in some hitler like figure into the u s

what are you talking about

we in't what you talking about

i'm not talking about to can ok it's not for me

hillary was dicts drugs true

starve ukraine and instill a fascist

the nazis were going to do that yet

they were going to do it

they were go they had a starvation plan for ukraine

s

i got a worse

food

ukrainians are great

sure

housees gkets food right nowfore everything is closed exact well that's w i got to go to the gym you know

and then i got eat dinner after the gym

i didn't plan on streaming this long

communist russia was not for russians yes it was

it was for everyone to

ouw under the soviet union

the

communist russia was for russia

soviet union was for everyone under the soviet union

has no explicit love for one race

you're dude you're so wrong dude you're so fucking wrong about this dude because you thinking in terms of american universalism

the opposite was true

in the soviet union they revived languages from the minority

republics

that had long been erased from history they revived those language because

the soviet union taught everyone to love

and be patriots

for their own background

and you're completely wrong about that dud

they were united precisely through their differences

it's a completely different russians have a completely different view

universality

then americans

the soviet union was not an american universalist

american universalism is the one where everything is standardized

and everything is the same

don't get it mixed up

on

y single

were here there was a

china

opinions

we learn from sourceis whi chinese characterist

so yeah

i don't believe this guy has read karl marx he leas in the christian s s r

it wasn't a christian state

but

a lot of people in the country of

sorry in the uus asar we're christians

i don't know why it's under dispute

probably not he would even't even know what ego ternism was

just make it shit up jolly

all right peace weol talking to see later michael

theterm

i notice most of them don't eve any of their literature

yeaes sure i have reading a literature you're right

have ready lited for guys

what up jennifer

you just caught us that when we're about to end the stream

on

you're invited to debate live you sa you don't want to waste your time it's a going let him let him let him he's not going to stick around

m

he's not going to sitre i got to bed yeah i got to go to guys i got to go to the gym

damn

late

what's the temperature outside

whether

you disagree with the sovi union treatment of religion

at what time period

so you exsed for sevn years

i agree with stalin's position on religion

his stalin period

view of religiionus

that's basically it

reading is anglo wise don't read oz word mostly

trust what i tell you

ok

i've read more than you probably

i've read more shit than you

were you say

that's basically it d of fork i have in

i'm watching stll work around one p m a home in stom on five hours to a groceriy

nice

infred ok i'm srying say position

mazi was a true englishman

mosley only became popular and relevant

in like the seventies when he came back to start complaining about immigrants

right

you didn't even know what egaltarianism is

you're wrong

you're very wrong

i did

i was asking and testing

you

i said what do you mean by egallitarianism

and what

you just gave me some vay shit that i can't i can't run off of that

so is my twenty fifte in china turns to be true

every hundred is ough comes to killm solves

i got this guy red marks

now you're pissing me off dude you like that folking guy from lefty pole sd the same fulky thing

all i've done is read mark

you're just not familiar with marxes

outside of the west

and you're not familiar with tropes

dumb bullshit you read about marx from jordan peterson

mark said he wants everyone to be equal

is that really what you think marx wrote jolly

i can rewind the stream

yeat north oill

i was asking you

i didn't know what you meant by egaltarianism because i don't know what you mean by

if you're asking if i'm familiar with the fucking word egalotarianism

i am familiar with the fucking words

and how it's used

and how that word is used

ok

chill the fuck out

clearly don't have to try on this guy

so don't try

don't try

yeah i wanted to know what you meant by egalliitarianism

and like what you're referring to concretely in actual reality

and why i should give a shit about that in concrete reality

i don't care about every fairy abstractions

that don't have any fucking real meaning so i'm telling you what are you talking about are you talking about how

when you're at work

and people

you know people people have affirmative action policies or something and that's what's triggering you i want to know what you meant by egaltarianism

on a much more theoretical level i just with communism because

of its obsessions with material conditions and ignorance of the spiritual philosophical

north our that's a false economy

foster economy

the only relation in connection we can have with true materiality

is through the

is only when we exhaust the highest extent of our spiritual

i

our of our spiritual

ability

this kind of straw man shit was invented

during the german conservative revolution of the twenties and thirties

which i don't blame them for

granted

because western marxis were the only people they were dealing with

but eastern marxis

such as the

maxim gorki

we're very clear about

spiritualityes relationship to the material

why

yet it's an angle dichotomy

well that's not only a union army ball material actually refers to the objective essence

right

the whole point of rejecting idealism is that you cannot

preemptively defined what the objective essence is going to disclose itself as and what is going to be

that's the point of materialism

openness toward what is material

material content the material as

materialism isn't the same as substantialism

what your thoughts on the cia subversion of the new left in aceased

persisted up to this day

the whole left in america is the cia invention

it's a whole fu whole things of foking cia invention

that's why the left doesn't get anywhere in america

why do you think the leftists in america don't have any relationship to the popular masses

and to the working classes

it's because the fulk and cia

also thoughts on the sexual revolution

i'm not an insult that's what you're asking so i don't give a fu

i don't care how people full

i just don't

i don't dwell on this stuff i don't

obsess over it

do i think

um

hypersexuality in the media

is good

i don't

i don't know if i would say that

i don't believe in mainstream media you know i believe in the internet

so i don't care

i

there's definitely limits i think there should be limits

china's great firewall there should be limits

and

china bans pornography and i honestly not that against that

i'm not really against that

china can do it why can't we do it right

sd instearts of bringing lup to the sixties here

frankfurt schools a cia invention

not really

no because you can tell from the theoretical perspective why they were defeateds the frankfurt school

so it's all in the theory they don't have to be a cia invent

theoretically that's where they were at

sox relution is probably a yank response to the culture ofvlution

kind of true

kind of true it's more true than you think

more true than you think

more way more true than you think

yeah i just think all across the board

there's too much of an obsession

too much a

session

yeah i don't know

i don't obsess over it though you know

the

i just don't obsess over it

's no needs absss over its

focus your mind on better things

more important things there's no jordan peterson fan but there is an aspect of communism which demands equality the destruction of class implies the quality of class

but what is class do you know what class is according to marxism

and you know how

you know in what manner the proletarian dictatorship

corresponds to the elimination of class

i think you're making a lot of assumptions

i think

you're assuming that communism means

we make everyone economically the same

but

even when you make

everyone economically the same

through political mandates

that's not the same thing as eliminating class class distinctions will persist

his class is something far more fundamental and material

and what can be willed into existence

by means of political decision make

so

class is not referring to

differences in how much people have

on the side of consumption

that's what you're getting at

class actually is something internal to our equality

it's the

precise fact that we're equal citizens that the different classes exist and manifest themselves

you think the six revolution is good

it doesn't matter if i think it was good or bad i recognize it was an objective event

and i'm not going to sit here and complain about it

you know

it's like when you if you're saying it's good or bad

that's assuming you have the will to prevent it or initiated

that's not how it actually came into being

so i said the destruction of class not make erone economically the same

so how but ok but how do you expect

ok

so what is class according to you

because to me

class does not refer to the fact that there's going to be different habits different consumption forms

and different even social reputations between people

that will persist

ok

ah

a class

a class

is something that exists in regards

it to the relations of production

it's not a consumption side thing

it's about the relations of production

why it is a strong

marico lzano that's actually more trup

that then he might

spect

more truth to that that you might

expect

what is class according to you a

the whole reason there's a proletarian dictatorship is because class will persist

it's just that by unleashing the forces of production

class distinctions become superfluous and wither away

class is a creation of human nature because humans are created unequal

no that doesn't make sense northow that doesn't make any sense to me

the individual differences between human beings is not enough to give rise

to the phenomena called class identified by more

it simply isn't you're making a big leap

ok many promise for example among the bousgeoisie

there's tall people short people white people fat people whatever you know

so

what you're saying doest make sense

ok many prominent marxists were against the sexual evolution in america

i think jolly what you more mean is that they were skeptical

of some leftists who are saying this is an ultimate form of liberation

and i make sure that skepticism

but

i also won't i'm not going to complain about it but i do reject marx's

who have this view of all polyy emery so progressive and

they're not even marxists anarchists and leftists i reject

yeah

i was trying to test this guy

i was dodging the question

this coot myself shaving

thoughts on mind control

what upur real normalty

i don't know how to answer that

there's some spooky stuff that happened in the cold war with m k ulra and shit

sure does think of a hypothetical preenion tribe there's already classes

no there isn't

no there isn't in one tribe there's no classes

just because there's individual differences doesn't translate to class difference

that's the problem with american individualsm you don't understand

this is the problem with america in general america doesn't have a society we don't have a society because we're all individuals

china russia and every other country on earth and europe

have societi

ask europeans they'll tell you they understand what i're talking about

they have unwritten rules

social reality

that you don't have an america because everyone thinks only individuals exist

there's a distinction

n matter economic insion societies create class

i think you're confused about what classes are

i think you think

classes are just differences between people

that's not what a class is

oh man i'm not looking forward to going to the gym

night

you don't live in a society

w

ya

excuse me sorry

sorry

there's no scarcity to hunter gather society

scarcity is not enough to give rise to meaningful

dude you just ok this is my problem the north o

i don't know if he was you said this

didn't you say you're against communism because

it's to focus on the material conditions

how could you

do something

as reduced the spiritual realities of the state

and the poliicy in the common sociology

and whatever

thing that unites people into one greater organic whle how can you reduce all that

to material scarcy

i even don't do

i don't think that's

i don't think scarcity is relevant

to the world meaningful

reality

meaningful reality

not

crude form

you

g's always calle reaction trapeters i don't call you anything

jolly

it's a bad

but you are

wrong

primitivism is stateless

so

didn't

i wass one

i didn't blow the fuck out of nothing to

stay polite

i'm being polite

do need to

use these nests

terms

when i'm being polite

i was one who said that scarcity correlates to class division ok ok you cleared it up

she cleared it up

i just can't see

any thoughts on david graber in his book about dead it's a very interesting book

grabver should is someone he's like one of the only anarchists who i think should be read he's a really interesting guy

and i i'm

i'm a

very interested in his idea about

i didn't get into it in our earlier stream but

yeah

ok gys i got to go so you know i got to go i got to work out

n go eat

it's been like six hours you know i'm fucking tired

we' go to wrap this up somehow

we got to wrap this up

sry i'm looking at something else

the

what's the season mean

or had a ready to come

nobody was wreckeddued

nobody was forking wrecked i just didn't read the chat you need to chill the fork out

yet you do sun like ready

tribes have leaders who others follow and their productive labor is used to benefit the tribe but the

leader benefits the most

for what tribe

do you understand what's how vague it is to talk about tribes

do you understand that in jordan modern jordan there's different tribes

this is a vague word

for who and at what time and where

you're just making something up that you think should apply based on what you know about america

everyone

and every period of time

forever

dude it's really dumb

it's a really stupid argument

sorry that's really fucking stup

what tribe are you talking about

give me a specific tribe

it's a hypothetical exactly it's not based on anything solid or concrete

but when you're dealing with history and humanity you do have to be concrete

you can't just use abstractions

i know you're talking about a hypothetical

but the hypothetical is completely made up

tribes have existed in history

to talk about specific ones because that's not true for every tribe

tribes are just abstractions

you can't follow i

there's no need to follow hypotheticals becuse tribes have actually existed in history

and still exists

so what there's no hypothetical humanity humanity is always concrete

is my problem

you're trying to create an abstraction in a vacuum and that doesn't it's not how it works

ok you guys don't

there on the stream no

tired

tired

ok

stop arguing guys stop arguing

come to the next and you want argue

ok i'm tired

the net dreame i don't know it's not going to be tomorrow hundred percent it won't be tomorrow

wednesday maybe

but definitely thursday

yeah

yeah

yeah

funk

inm i do

i'm waiting for the delay

good night has

good night and law autism this is why communists are fucking retards can eve ertain a hypothetical that breaks f maalist ideas for one sect

your hypothetical isn't was fucking stupid north owl

your hypothetical is fucking stupid

and it was meaningless

completely meaningless hypothetical

why should i respect your fuck and ipothetal i can make a hypothetical to

you're just extrapolating what you know about americans

to all time in all history in a hypothetical vacu

why should i fallkon

respect that

and you were being rude you said i blew the fuk and i was trying to be nice to you

and have a civil conversation with you and you sid to start being rude and shit

so who's that ass will hear not me

why what pre no pre ancient tribes ever existed in his

what

what do you mean that tribes have existed

probably for hundreds of thousands of years if the fossil evidence of human bones back then

is enough to go off of

people have always existed for as long as anyone could ever tell

lived in

communities

what are you talking about

nor sol

what about the tribe on north center the island that still exists today

you know there's all sorts of tribes in history what about the folkan inuits

what about tribes that you douse a million different tribes you can

i was just laughing at you are you when you call actually aing with

another communist

but i didn't see your

north iwill

you must be new here

the idea that

me disagreeing with another communist

is

a scandal

means you're new here that's all we have a fucking do here

who cares it was another communis

i don't agree scarcity is of whatever

so that's that

can you should be able to entertain

the hypothetical

why should i be able to entertain your hypothetical

why because you when you say this

north oll

i'm from canada ok live next tor reserve

but why should i respect your hypothetical

you're creating dogmtic dogmas about what you think human nature is and you're saying from scratch right out of the

primordial hobsy and jungle this is how it would be

but humanity is never in that state of nature

you know humanity is never in a state of nature like ho youre say

s no reason to think it ever would

that's your problem with that

social media

helps people to connecting with each other

when oligarsing involved

he's l go

true

rule

because you said it's

a reality

no i said tribes have existed in reality

you said that in the tribe

the leader takes all

and i said what tribe

it depends on the tribe it's not true for every tribe

you said in a tribe

the leader gets all the benefits

it's not true for every tribe and some tribes the leader gets none of the benefits

you don't believe anyone is ever in a state of nature no i don't

no i don't

i don't believe anyone's ever in a state of nature

there's no such thing as a state of nature

some fucking

mismake

no not just hobs and i don't think anyone's in a state of nature

there's no such thing as a state of nature what a ridiculous idea of humanity being in a state of nature

the minute humanity emerges it's not in the state of nature anymore

isn't legal strass a right winger so he he probably believes that too right

he's one of those people who believes that

france

so go read his shitp

talking about spirituality and shit in trying to say humans are the same thing as animals

let's say you and me on an island with no one around would you call that not a state of nature

not a state of nature

i wouldn't call that a state of nature at all

i came from somewhere you came from somewhere you came from a family i came from a family i came from a tribe you came from a tribe

i came from a society you came from a society

you have a history i have a history

there's nothing natural about it

in the sense of you're trying to say

hobbs wasn't an idealist he was an idealist he was a fake materialist

christianity will topple common

ok

leavem fucking talking

a typing re going in china

to only say that

then what would you call it

you're trying to say

when there's no more rules

and there's no more

institutions

but there's nothing natural about that in the sense we're saying

ok go back then further even further you can go back as further as you want

humans have always been religious

for example

they've always believed in a greater thing that united them

they've always

had myths they've always had crazy schizophrenic whatever

something crazy that separates them from animals

language

in a more fundamental deeper sense

meaning a sense of meaning that has to be anunciated

sense of a greater whole a bigger meaning than themselves

there's never a time in history

when humanity

doesn't have that

yeah dude it sounds like fascions are just liberals if this is if this encounters anything to go off of

they're using peak liberal

abstractionism and you know read it t youar

meaningless hypotheticals that have nothing to do with reality

and it's like

what is that if not some hobsy and liberal type bullshit

well hypothetically well i'm not interested

you know i'm st in reality

ok we can see that paragraph and i can see st state of nature

well north oll

only if i have something bigger to live for

am i going to you know

fight you for food or whatever youre going to say

if i fundamentally have nothing bigger to live for in life

and no sense of higher purpose or meaning

i'm going to sit down and starve to death

and i'm going to be too depressed to fuck in do any

only if i have a family to support

and something

to to live for basically

people to go back to

am i going to actually

muster the energy to fight you for food

like how you're saying

pilling out the naturalistic fallacies

peak liberal

hobbs

at the very start

was at the very start

youy know hobs was a liberal

peak liberals are ros rosan

hobbs is a liberal

metaphysics of statehood

nothing wrong with individual ism

ok well

at least you admit you're a liberal

angles is a definition of a sampage is not a champagne soauce

to

angles

was

down and dirty

you kew he was about the business

because he had a fact it is mean he was down with the business he s had to make money

human lock our peak libs very true

very very true

very true

they tro

i can't believe people are anti establishment but support

the illuminati coball or whatever the folks want to call it

and their ideas people put hobbs as a liberal but the three state nature is not very liberal because implies youuman nature is illiberal

no

that's extremely liberal

hobbs identifies

the unit of statehood is an atomic individual

that only exists based on self injury interest and self preservation

hobbs is a fundamentally illiberal

for that reason

fashions are individualsic in a sense that the individual is better

should be given a better class

how do you i how do you identify

who's better

in the soviet union if you're better individual you get rewarded the hero of labor and yeah you get accolades

but then you're saying they should have a but they should be given turned into a caste and their descendants

should be you know

should inherit that but then the problem leads you're going to lead to that habsburg jaw deformed degenerate

because when you make assumptions about who's the superior humanity

your

leading to

parasitical

institutionalized overly socialized and overly cushioned

people who can take the guarantee of forms

over the down and dirty

proving yourself inan actual reality that's a fucking problem

with your caste system you're talking about

they're individualistic but not egalitarian

ok

so they're liberals

he submitted the liberals

just as the collective which is better should be given a better situation through work that's vague communists agree with that too

communalism is better than communism

what do you mean

fascism it hears

the community

dude fascism is a fucking made up mem from the thirties and twenties

funded by the anglo saxon liberal elites

stop acting like it's some profound thing it's not

it's fucking n

what happened to fascism during the cold war hah

becomes wich of fucking mercenaries funded by america to fight communism

who were the fat big old fashionst that nobody dud

they're all bitches of liberal america

fascism is old news

give the mem arst guys you're not fighting the true elites

this doun't mean

cast systems exist in every society calling ideas

that's not true they exist in every society they exist in every

polity every empire

in history that's

well it's actually not true in islamic societies there was no rigid cat

for example

in the islamic societies there was a type of equality that exists

everyone was equal under the sultan

sen

that's an interesting point

but casts you're right heretical casts

have existed in most

civilized societies

and that's exactly why most civilized societies led to ruin and stagnation

because of degeneration the inevitable corruption and degeneration that follows that

fascism was around in e room no it wasn't

this isn't call fascism

no it wasn't du they didn't care about any of this

there was no fascism in ancient rome whatsoever

fascism is a purely liberal modern phenomenon

i can say they had communism in ancient rome and be the just as meaningful as

you say

it's a mean wow it is a fucking mean dude

it is a fuck in me

it's definitely a mean

fashion is definitely a fuck i mean

definitely a fucking mean

nobody who called themselves fascists in america or europe

after the cold war

amounted to anything

except being

proxies

for the liberal

deep state

anti communist establishment

look up propaganda do

and look up

the masonic p t lodge in italy

they're just people who are duped by the elites given a fake etiology to go and die

for the moneyed interests in the bankers in the cobalds in the financ ers in the oligarchs

and they say oh you're fascist you're a good old fashist

your hero

you know

sure gaddhafi is all right in my book

talk with culturre thoug then i don't know who that is

but we'll debate anyone you know

we'll debate anyone

i've never heard of calzert doug

oh and

oh ife youl like shit

feel like shitment

sure i'm bigoted racist and proud

ok

oh man what is my fucking food going to get here

how's ream for six hour shit i know dude

soon as my food comes

geing the fuck out of here

ah

for my dear

what

storre is fucking clos

projt ten

time for dinner

i wish i have to go work out forir

except in stream it onll the instead

oh man

i don't care what cit thins about gaddhafi but c t would still destroy this kid on fascism

okay

for if he challenges us to a debate will take

he challenges us to debate will take

take

by the way i'm really tired right now this is after a seven hour stream

so if i have a lot more energy maybe iti would be a different story

how much crack do you have to smoke

to stream for six hours

comies are retarded there's nothing we do about

me once

you get power

and that

well we're far aways away from that now are we

jennifer because someone on left equal believe it or not a leftist

a true leftist was so mad about us

that they went on fortune and they linked a threat to us

to our stream

beuse they wanted fortune to come

intrigger me but they didn't understand that for chan can't trigger me

because

the things that trigger me are other leftists and only other left

like them

said you were done streaming but it's a pleasure seeing you here today

i know

boh

communist brainwashing is an education

is that what's going on here

sure

i'm engaging in communist brainwashing guys

yeah

engaging in communism brainwas

like mems fascism burned hard and quickly and lost popularity quickly exactly john doe exactly

but edgy people in america

who are mad about black people and mad about immigrants

next year

and inscells

are somehow attracted to it like flies

even though it's just a mean

and they're being

in con

for example

i want to ask you a question the north o

what about trump

what about sill didn't trump

wasn't he pretending to be this kind of

guy for the people and look what he did

betrayed everyone

so what about that

i feel like not nice strong boys kep having a way ok i just feel like in my experience

ninety nine per cent of people calling themselves fascists are doing it for the shock value in the edginess and to be fair

not ninety percent of communists in america are doing for the same reason too so there you go

but

he's a liberal and a ziionist

yeah

but he used people

you know he used people do live troums a fascist i know a lot of you guys were calling him that

but he used you guys right

he used you

and that it's always going to be like that

it's always going to be using

oh here you're canadian you don't fok much troump

yeah

i'm tired you know i'm tired

toys

i tired ok

you can call me whatever you want

i don't care

i didn't call you any names

i didn't call you any names

was the same with bernie betrayed people very true jennifer it was the same with bernie

was the same with bern

but bernie

i think it was just because bernie was personally his personal shortcomings i don't think he was actually conning them directly

like sy it

but trump i think was cynically conning people

bernie's j week

you know

that's because the liberal and communist elite

which communist elete tell me show me how's a communist elete joliy

in what ways it a communist lead

how is it a communist elite

tell me jolly how is it a communist lead

go ahead

i'll i'll give you a chance

i know