Explaining Destiny's Midwit Personality ft. Logo Daedalus 🚀 Infrared Content Catalog

yeah i saw the whole thing i didn't

cover the whole thing on stream because

i was late

um i caught i saw the whole thing and um

first i want to ask you what do you what

was your impression what do you think of

them

um he's like i mean i talk to people

that are have pretty much the same views

on everything that he has like all the

time so i wasn't really like i don't

know like i just feel like he's like

very dismissive he's very like defensive

he's like hard to like he kept saying

that i was bouncing around on topics but

it was like any time i was like trying

to stick to one thing he'd eventually

just like table it and i feel like i was

like being patient and being like okay

well let's talk about something else

then but i don't know i think he was

just like trying to find something to

like he's not really interested in

having a conversation i don't think like

generally like i think it's like pure

like i was calling him like a rhetorical

gladiator you know like he's just

looking for

like a sort of scuffle over rhetoric

like

i'm not interested

when it comes to that thing where he

like asks you something and um you

respond he's like oh you're talking

about something else now he has this

thing where it's like

if you don't give him the answer he

wants he's claiming that you're pivoting

but when you apply a mark obtained too

yeah yeah like if you are then you would

know what i was going to reply but like

you're mad that i'm not being a marcotte

bot actually

yeah but he does he does the same thing

but worse you know so it's like

he

like for him a pivot means he didn't

give you the answer he expected so what

i think about destiny psychologically is

that i've kind of built like a

psychological profile a little bit of

him and when it comes down to it he is a

pretty much like a pervert and a pervert

thinks they pretty much like to put it

in layman's terms

uh a pervert thinks they know it already

they they already know the object of all

discourse of every possible oh he said

as much yeah they already know it right

so when he asks you a question and he's

really confident that there's only one

way to answer the question and then you

upset his expectation that actually

that's not the only way this question

could be answered he'll be like oh you

just pivoted you're talking about

something else now and you're rambling

with a markov chain right but

one thing i do disagree with you about

that you said is that you said you don't

think

he's a stupid person and

that's kind of confusing i don't think

he is

no i think that because you have to be

pretty smart or like there's a type of

intelligence i think he has a lot of

social intelligence actually like i

don't know if he's like

that intelligent on like like i don't

know like what iq tests or whatever the

fuck people mean by that but i think

he's like very good at like like um he

talks a lot about his like teenage years

or whatever and like manipulating friend

groups and things like that like i think

he's really good at like social

engineering and this is actually how he

was describing how he felt language

worked in the first place like when we

were talking about language is that he

basically views language as like you're

creating tools to like manipulate the

emotional responses of others

um like every word like you're trying to

guess in your mind what this word means

to the other person and you're like

using words in a sort of way to

manipulate their sentiments based off of

like your understanding of their meaning

of this word or whatever right

well oh yeah that part was kind of

embarrassing to me because

it's like i this is supposedly an

educated person he pretty much

was giving this really to seem extremely

outdated like the most naive empiricist

view of what i mean like

doesn't everyone admit that language

structures the world and it's not

something that

it's just derivative well i guess kind

of like sense impression i mean it just

sounds like a really archaic like

primitive stone age like you know like

1600s yeah and i mean like it's

literally

it's really like not metaphysically

serious but you know like i don't know

like he's just like he was saying that

effectively you know there's like

logical so like literally like if he

read like girdle or like you know

like he was trying to bring up

wittgenstein at the end and he was

saying that like he thought that i

didn't understand wittgenstein but i

think he's actually gotten like the sort

of like positivist like reception of

wickenstein and like anglo atlantic like

con like philosophy analytical

philosophy yeah and that the way that

they interpreted wittgenstein is like

like this horrific monstrosity no i mean

even in that regard destiny's not

educated like if you ask him about like

um

if you ask him about uh

you know car nap or like actual analytic

philosophers or anything he won't be

able to tell you anything i mean this

guy literally just

um

everything is based on things he's

learned on he's never actually like done

any offline yeah i mean he was saying

effectively that like when he does

information like it's kind of ironic

because he was saying that i just go

from my macro perspective and just try

to like pick and choose things on a

micro perspective that support it but

he's actually just describing the exact

same thing that he was describing as his

process of research for debates where

he's like picked a position on a macro

level and then he goes and finds a bunch

of studies to support what he's saying

and then he uses that as like that's

like his rhetorical technique like

that's the proper way that's how you

critically engage as he was describing

so he was described that's like

literally his process like yeah the

thing is

that he projects like everyone's always

projecting like people project all the

time and they hate it and almost never

recognize when they're doing it

themselves i mean i also project onto

other people i mean everyone does it all

the time no one's really aware of it but

like it's was pretty clear that he like

was projecting his own like methodology

onto me and it's like not actually at

all how i do things you mentioned

something about social intelligence and

the thing that kind of gets me that's a

little interesting is um

there's kind of two ways i engage with

people right

the first way is kind of like okay good

faith intellectual let's just

let's talk in in the spirit of ideas

let's talk in the spirit of like

disinterested no bullshit you know like

i called let's say the meat and potatoes

of it right symposium yeah yeah let's

talk in that way and then there's the

other side of me which is like the more

social kind

where i'm laid back laughing and there's

that's where the social intelligence

comes in

and

it's so weird because you mentioned

social intelligence and

in his case you know if you zoom like

the what he does is that when you're

talking to him in the spirit of the

ideas and you're not interested in

playing social games because you're not

friends you're being very formal you're

being professional he'll insert that

shit

and it'll make him look feel like he

looks good or something but you zoom out

and it's like okay well how about we

don't have any spirit of the eyes and we

just have the social thing right

in that case uh he's a fucking twerp and

you have to understand like

i know a little bit about like his

social circles and on twitch and like

all that kind of oh yeah he's not like

dude you have to understand he's not a

well-respected

he's somebody

in high school who was a band kid right

yeah he did he made he had he had a lot

of like shit like he took ap classes you

know he's like an honor student so he's

a lot riding on his like self-conception

as like one of these like elite of the

mind right and this is like how he's

manipulating like his social sphere in

that sort of life but you have to

understand his social sphere to be clear

his social sphere is going to be the

other band kids it's not going to be

exactly the normal kid yeah no no

because at the end of the day i think

that like like i'm not trying to sway

his audience like i don't i don't expect

that i like swayed much of his audience

but what i did know is that there's a

lot of people who just like watch him

who aren't like um as

innately attached to him like in the

same way he has like a lot of like

hardcore super fans but he has even more

just like sort of neutral watchers who

like don't even necessarily agree with

him but like would just find him to be

someone who's like like he's pretty

straight up in like what he believes i

think right like he's not that slippery

regarding his own positions

um so like for instance i already got

like reached out from a bunch of people

i know like in sf like tech people or

whatever who watch destiny i didn't even

know they're destiny watchers but

they're like yo bro what the fuck you

were on there i was like yeah so it's

like there's a lot of people watching

who are like you know i think they are

aware of that he's like a bit of a twerp

as well so i was really just trying to

be like a patient like person and just

come off um well what i'm trying to say

i'm not trying to be antagonistic if you

notice something that i you know would

see in high schools or like middle

school especially middle i mean high

school wasn't that

it wasn't like that at least for me

middle school was more like primal right

and i noticed them in middle school that

in the groups of let's call them nerds

or band kids or like you know the kind

of like weird more weirder kids right

the people that destiny would be a part

of it's very brutal there right you'd

think that these are the people who are

kind of like oh yeah

yeah and then so

destiny i imagine he's the guy who like

he considers himself an apex predator

because he preys on the fellow band kid

socially inept weaklings but then you

you zoom out like you like for example

destiny is a loser among the normies of

twitch he's like no one respects him he

has no authority he doesn't have any

social intelligence he's considered a

weirdo like

that's it right but among like losers

fellow losers and band kids that's where

the kind of but it's i don't what i'm

trying to say is i'm kind of pushing

back on what you're saying because i'm

saying i don't really think he has

social intelligence not in yeah you're

right not in like the large like maine

yeah because like for example regarding

like his attempt to deal with like

mainstream democratic politics is like

they immediately kicked him out because

yeah

like he's he's repellent too like but

what i'm saying is that it does require

like a certain type of social

intelligence to be like let's say like

the machiavellian leader of the band

kids you know who are like all like

pretty much

what it stems more from to me is um

more this kind of

willingness to um go places others won't

go to

not necessarily because you're more

intelligent but because you're more

willing to engage and kind of like

disregard basic human decency more and

basically disregard any sense of

morality i think that's more weird like

the bravery like it's like this position

of like precisely

destiny will be brave enough to defend

child pornography and the abuse of

children yeah that's it's yeah that's

exactly what i'm talking about brave

enough to suggest that like consensual

incest there's no

there's no

reason for that yeah that's not

necessarily intelligent but it is

something that it does challenge right

and people respect the challenge because

it's not very easy to kind of like it's

like okay

like for example he's like okay yeah i

am a cook what of it and then it's like

okay

on the one hand

like for children or for teenagers

that's kind of hard to challenge because

like at the end of the day you know who

cares right you don't really have these

underlying unconscious associations that

adults have like through experience that

allows you to really like understand

how fucked up that is or how

dishonorable or how shameful it is right

really

level that like his audience is only

judging things on this like this level

of like dramatic performance where it's

like oh this person got mad so like

they're cringe and it's like because

destiny has no real sense of shame uh

such that like he can't really be like

like i mean ultimately when he's being

insulted it probably does bother him but

he's very good at like presenting as if

he has like complete detachment from

these things and that he's just like you

know like a kind of neutral arbiter and

that he has like no illusions about

himself and that he's not hiding

anything about himself and i don't think

he really does hide that much about

himself he probably if he's hiding

anything it's as much uh it's more like

like his weaknesses you know

like i i think there's i think you're

kind of right in the sense there's not

this is what you have to understand what

comes destiny there's not much he has to

hide you just need to have a bigger

picture of things i mean it seems like

he's uh a significant person because of

his following but his following is not

particularly impressive given his

background as like a pro he was like a

tyler1 type of like really like ninja

tyler one kind of yeah i remember back

in starcraft 2 days man yeah so i mean

that's where it all comes from and it's

not particularly impressive that he's

maintained the following he has given

the extent to which he was able to like

acquire

it in the first place in the beginning

right so

but what really what it really comes

down to is you just have to see the

bigger picture and understand like this

guy's a fucking loser right

and i don't just mean to to to denigrate

him when i say that i mean to say like

when it comes to the real world and all

of the basic unwritten norms that define

what will gain a human being respect and

what gain what allows them to gain real

world clout and significance and like

their word recognition like recognition

their word actually mattering like he is

not he doesn't satisfy that criteria

whatsoever

um

another thing too is that i don't think

he's going to be remembered like he's

it's not like his name is going to echo

down no of course not of course not

like but what i find really pathetic is

it's like

i don't i'm not a very judgmental person

right i can engage in a good faith

conversation with anyone a disinterested

one

but it seems like with people like

destiny what they'll do is they'll be

like okay

you're having a conversation with

someone where you're trying to talk

about things and that aren't about

that it's like you're not trying to be

destiny's friend you're not trying to

impress him you're not trying to like

you know get pussy out of this you're

not trying to like you know um climb

some social ladder among the band kids

you just want to have as you put it is

the sim no

sorry i can't fucking say it

um

symposium yeah you want to have that

symposium

where

um you know you're going to be really

mature and kind of professional formal

just in a sense like okay we're not

going to actually make this about like

you know i don't know you you don't know

me but here are the ideas right

and it seems like when you try to do

that with him he tries to like go left

he'll be like no no what are the like

rhetorical and social implications of

all this shit

and what's especially pathetic about

that to me is that it's like well

destiny if i tell you the truth about

what i think about you at that level

like i think you're a loser i think

you're someone who would be a band kid

in high school who i would never hang

out with at all because like i genuinely

think you're like you know a boring

weirdo loser or whatever right but i

don't say that because i'm trying to

actually focus on the spirit of the

ideas right

well the thing is though is that like

his part of his rhetorical performance

is to pull everything down to that level

because then you can just like

constantly suspend

the actual discussion of ideas

yeah

no there's like a few times where it's

like you know it's like okay well i just

said a lot of things and you just like

right after i've said this like you know

i've done a lot of considering of what

i'm going to say and i've thought about

this for a long time so this is like how

i see it and he's like that's nonsense

and it's like well you know

it isn't but you know if like that's

just so if we like okay like that's it

then right like i think what it all

comes down to really is and this is what

i said when i first started going on

stream like all of this shit is just a

matter of

it's literally as simple as good faith

or bad faith so i get it that the burden

is usually on you to like

you know demonstrate that what you're

saying has some merit or significance

right but in order for that to be um

appreciated someone does have to um

create an opening in their web of

associations

where like you'll say something and

he'll be like oh you know what that

actually does remind me of something and

then that's the ground of a discussion

where like he gave you the charity of

good faith right where he was able to

connect something within his

um you know

let's just say web of associations with

something you said and that's how a

conversation an interesting conversation

can proceed but he is beginning with

this kind of initial

presumption

that you have nothing

of any significance or importance to say

and to be honest with you logo

the reason for that is because of your

association with me if you were not

associated with me

he might have actually um

like engaged with you in an actual more

charitable and good faith ways just he

saw that you were associated with me so

it's like okay

uh i'm just going to assume the

conclusion you're like a complete dumb

ass who doesn't look like you you have

nothing of any value or importance to

say

and

i mean it's like you could you could

pretty much do that you could do that to

anyone right especially if you have a

bigger following and a bigger audience

that's going to like encourage or um

validate your ability to do that anyone

could fucking do that to anyone you know

yeah i mean i didn't expect like any to

like change his mind or anything i just

wanted to see like how it would go

like i was just like curious i don't

know yeah i thought it was interesting

when yeah like definitely got like a lot

of clarity as to like what specific

topics like made him like i could tell

like when he was like not confident in

his when he's not confident in his like

knowledge or like his ability to like

dominate the rhetorical playing field

like he's gonna quickly sachet to

another one because he's not interested

in learning anything like he well he

said something really dumb he said math

is a priori right

yeah yeah he said he said our ability to

have math is a prior and i said okay if

that's true

um

doesn't that say something about the a

priori nature of language itself and i'm

not talking about like um

you know grammar specifically or like

chomsky's universal grammar anything

or um you know the way in which we

pronounce words but just the ability to

make things intelligible

i mean that is up the same alley as the

ability to

um

have a sense of abstract quantity right

the ability to it's just all about form

in general and that's what language

really is language gives expression

to form right at some

some level

so language is like almost forum itself

yeah exactly yeah like like the world

doesn't have form yeah like we create

form like through yeah this sort of like

language is like also like deeper than

just like word sounds and things like

that it's like the community it's like

communicability itself and like the

reason like well that's actually

something um i also think that's really

stupid

yeah nature has no outline but like

imagination has like right like we like

there's objects like in and of

themselves do not have like determinate

edges like you could imagine or you

could even look at the world as one

singular object with like just things

emerging and rising out of it as like

one like the universe is like one total

object or whatever in which like you

know we're just like fingernail

clippings from this like you know like

you can look at things like that like

there's no necessity of like

differentiating any object from any

other object or whatever like we do this

because we've like created these

outlines like that's what our

intelligence does like that's what our

imaginations do it's like what

consciousness does

yeah i mean like even if it even if that

wasn't the case though i think it's

important to bear in mind

that

you know this idea that he was trying to

get that like language is just about

communication i fundamentally disagree

with that um if anything

i mean this is uh

if language is the basic form of thought

and you know being and thinking are the

same like which is from parmenides or

whatever if i'm pronouncing that

correctly

um

language is actually not about

communication it's about giving

expression in some kind of way

to truth language is about being it's

not actually about communication if

anything

communication is

downstream from the fundamental

um

let's call it

the fundamental uh

split within the world that gives rise

to the necessity of its reflection in

language when you communicate something

you're not communicating objects in the

world what you're doing is you're

communicating

the variability to make those the very

let's not ability the very structure out

of which those objects are intelligible

so it's like if you want to put it in

lacon's terms or like you know i don't

want to like

uh

bring jargon to this but like for khan

language is like comes from this

symbolic order right this order of

signifiers and unconscious associations

we have

and that's what's being communicated

it's the very symbolic order itself

that's being and our like social status

and our position that's what

communication is communication is the

communication of the transcendental

structure of the world if you want to

put it in that way it's not actually the

communication

of like some one-sided and undialectical

notion of things in themselves you know

yeah i mean the thing is is that all of

this is like in order to talk about

anything at this level you have to have

someone who's interested in talking

about things at this level but if you

have someone who's just like a naive

realist or whatever you know they

believe in like this sort of like sense

certainty but then their ultimate

i couldn't believe he said that i

couldn't believe he said like what do

you even do when he said actual

discourse in his cosmos he actually

doesn't believe in conversations like he

just believes that there's like you know

that like effectively you know he's like

he was effectively saying right that

like the superior like western countries

who have like better morals and ethics

or whatever are also stronger like the

reason why we have like such a strong

military presence across the world is

because we're better like that's like

his description of things like yeah like

i couldn't it's totally circular i

couldn't actually believe he said

something so naive that

language is just the communication of

experiences and specifically the ex

the experience of like of like what like

sense datum like what

he doesn't understand how fundamentally

archaic

and that view of the like

i mean if he claimed doesn't he claim to

like understand philosophy or something

like how could you have any

philosophical background and just

no one does it by the way it's like you

know no one believes he doesn't he

thinks it's boring like because people

understand this i want to know how to

defend my points like all i care about

is winning the ritual yeah but to be

clear it's gonna help me yeah but to be

clear gorgeous like he's just office he

doesn't care about truth he doesn't even

believe it exists yeah but to be clear

like people need to know this

the view empiricism the notion that like

the object

of

thought is just

something out there the empirical

objects right

that is like so crazy that the only

people who seriously like who take

empiricism seriously

after let's call it um

uh the the experience of analytical

philosophy in the 20th century right

that's people like de luz de los who

have these crazy views of like these

lovecraftian views of like the empirical

sense object like that's

empiricism is not a mainstream position

it's so stupid how people

call themselves empiricists

like the the successors of the

empiricist whether the positivist or the

post-positivists

they don't actually believe that

you can say or know anything about some

kind that's like too metaphysical for

them for them

it's uh

it's the way in which the data is

structured right it's it's not about the

consistency of our knowledge with some

external world that's too metaphysical

it's about the consistency of our

knowledge

with like the structures right

uh

that we create arbitrarily like it's

literally all windy yeah lindy like like

every like the lindy hermeneutic where

it's like this thing has existed it will

continue to exist it is lindy if so like

that's the empiricist circle is like

destinies like nato is lindy you know i

think like

what do you

i don't know i mean

one of this is also something i was

saying is like

i think the only reason is this kind of

trolling him at this point because i was

thinking like should we get kantbots on

to like

uh metaphorically i think it would go

pretty much the same way

but i feel like kantbot since his name

is kantbot i think he would

metaphorically castrate destiny with the

kantian scissors and just

it would lead to a total collapse of his

whole world view all right i think well

what happened is that uh he would just

start interrupting kb when he was like

using like specific like philosophical

terminology which he would do uh purely

reactively because the words would be

like he'd be recognizing that the like

words are hitting him and like he's not

understanding and when he's in a

position of like not understanding he's

like in a position of weakness

rhetorically so then he'll try to like

you know move it on to something else

like you're not gonna pull a real

conversation out of this guy it's not

possible like i think i proved that like

you know i don't know how much more

patient or like i could have been like i

was really i was trying i don't know i

think like

it's not just um

nerdy people that watch them it's more

like the vicious cunt band kid

who's like

somehow on the one hand very low on like

the social hierarchy or whatever but on

the other hand um

and and all their

all of their ability to like do anything

in life comes from like

supposedly using their head they're kind

of like these

people who think for a living right

but they don't engage in any kind of

creative use of thought and it's kind of

this interesting paradox like on the one

hand they're nervous brain warriors it's

just a psychological warrior you know

like well that's the thing is like

to what extent does it actually

work in or does does it to what extent

does it actually demonstrate any

understanding of psychology at what

point is this just

using clout and using like the

following you have to kind of like

guess push a narrative and then

collectively celebrate

well

what i like about destiny is that he's

sort of like a little microcosm of like

the hegemony we have he's like does

everything that like our prevailing

hegemony does like you know what i mean

like he's literally done like false flag

attacks on like people's communities and

things i don't know if he's done that

recently but he's definitely talked

about doing things like that you know

like organizing raids things like that

in like you know the sort of

subterranean networks of

like clout and you know influencer

economies or whatever um that's like

what's interesting about him so uh

yeah i mean he did the same thing right

where it's like like okay we just don't

want to talk about nato like this

terminator okay like we just won't talk

about it like we're gonna start talking

about it but then like for instance he

turned my claim where i was like nato's

basically the fourth reich and then he

wanted to turn this claim into like that

i was saying specifically the like ss

specifically was nato or whatever and

it's like that's not really what i mean

like well again you've got to understand

is that

this community they're literally a bunch

of dumb fucks it's like it decides

like i didn't expect anything else dude

no i know but they're dumb fucks and

everything they think of you is going to

be based on how much charity destiny

does if he wakes up on the wrong side of

his bed and decides to be bad faith

you know his community is going to speak

negatively of you you know

yeah of course yeah so it's all it comes

down to like

there's nothing you're saying that's

inherently you know

too complicated or ridiculous like

people's willingness to be able to think

about it and take it seriously is gonna

come from

what there's how their streamers

reacting to it

i mean yeah that's pretty much

that's it you know i mean it's not it's

like

it's very basic shit i i didn't really

expect things to go um any other way i

just thought it would be interesting to

see like what in particular would be

like you know i just wanted to know what

his response was to certain things it's

just very clear he doesn't read and like

frankly if you don't read then you can't

really have that large of

uh like knowledge like books are like

literally like the only relevant media

that exists for most time periods of

history like if you want to have access

to you know understanding most time

periods in history and the way people

thought or whatever you have to read

like there's no other way like he was

like well you can watch documentaries

it's like well ultimately

that's a script you know i think i think

the issue is

that

he doesn't have this idea of like this

is something i was gonna talk about

later like a hermeneutic circle right

yeah he doesn't have this idea that like

every instance of a particular judgment

is informed

by some kind of holistic understanding

and vice versa every holistic

understanding

is going to only have reference in its

particular instances

for him it's only particular and it's

he's very exactly there's nothing that

coordinates all of these things there's

just like people brute forcing like

through uh their own individual

experimentation and like what he really

means is like you know he knows more

because it like he's done more or

whatever like you know so he's like like

he has money and he goes all around and

like you know he's out all these

different experiences and so he's like

yeah like i have like um he'll be like

you really think that like you could

present an idea that hasn't been

presented to me before like you know

he's king solomon you know he's like the

world weary

he's he's

that's like you know he's he's he's

jaded with everything in the world you

know because he's already he knows

everything

like wow isn't that really cool like

it'd be really cool to be someone who's

like like over like already figured

everything out

yeah i i honestly think it's just really

a really sad and well what were you

actually you kind of just wanted to see

how it would go right

yeah i didn't expect it to go that's how

i think it is too but i think his main

thing is bit pretty much this kind of

thing where it's like

okay why should i care

yeah i mean sometimes i do that too

though like you know i was like okay

like sometimes like you know people

presume that people care i don't think

that like you know like for instance

like we care about very different things

for instance he'd be like well like the

u.n considered this like criminal or

whatever i'd be like well i don't really

care like you know no no i know but what

i'm trying to say is that

he doesn't he doesn't um

he doesn't present himself as having

this kind of like he's very

anti-platinus you know he doesn't

present himself as having this

contingent yet holistic sense of truth

so

when you say something he's he's not

going to be like oh you're contesting my

worldview he's going to be like

you are saying nothing of any meaning i

mean like whereas for you exactly if

someone says something

we're going to take seriously the fact

that there's some meaning there right so

we're gonna be like okay i don't i do

not think it is possible to say

something that has no meaning

yeah i literally don't believe that is

fundamentally possible like even if you

were like completely like you you've had

your brain fucked up and you're like old

and you like dementia and you're using

the wrong words for things like every

one of your utterances still would have

meaning even if you're using all of the

wrong words you know what i mean like

it's just kind of like insane to me to

suggest that there's like anything that

doesn't have meaning to it

what people don't know is that you know

schizophrenics everything they say has

meaning it's just

the object of their speech is the very

pain

of not being able to align

it's not that they have a secret meaning

that they're trying to get out

it's that they're struggling with

the affect of meaninglessness itself

and that's what's so tragic about it and

that is meaningless yeah i mean that's a

meaning frankly that itself has meaning

in it you know

like if you're like talking like you

know for instance like if you take if

i'm like okay like i know like what

things i like or couldn't do that would

like get me shut down pretty fast for

instance if i was like well like you

think like i was trying to do this when

i was asking him about like stories

right like is there any like authority

to like a story or like this does like

narrative in general like you know the

way the stories we tell each other and

like you know this use of language in

that sense to like narrativize and to

like bring order to things does this

have any like predictive power or

meaning and it's like it's really

difficult to say no but he was basically

saying no you know or like we moved off

of that subject really fast because if

you grant that then it's like well then

there actually is like a lot of meaning

to like things like the bible or like

you know these narratives but i think

that's like very boring for him like as

you said he found homer boring it's like

what what if you find homer bor it's

like do you even like like what like

what do you like what even matters then

like the the homeric epics

are boring to you like

who are you

i think that maybe you're fucking wrong

maybe you are not like

like you are the one who's failing them

you know like there's this there's just

pride to it that i like don't understand

where it's like when people confront

something that they don't understand

there's like one way where it's like oh

wow like i want to be able to understand

this because i don't and then there's

like i don't understand this um and it

that means it's meaningless well no no

here's what it comes down to he's trying

to get the best of both worlds like on

the one hand

he's trying to be like oh i'm this

brainy guy and it'll forgive me for

being such a twerp it's because of my

big brain it's like okay if that's your

angle you do have to respect homer you

can't just act like oh no i look no you

don't look cool you look like a fucking

loser you have nothing like if you're a

genuinely charming cool person like you

know i don't know if you're some kind of

like

um energy

or something no no i mean no i'm saying

like if you're like uh aiden ross or

something let's just say like that you

don't have yeah then it you know you're

not going to get cruci you're not going

to get attacked for for um

not liking homer but like destiny your

only supposed value comes from

pretending to be like an intellectual

with a big brain you know so

you know it's not like you're some like

you know

particularly funny charming person you

know

so it's that's that's what i'm talking

about when with the contradiction at

hand it's like on the one hand they want

to be like these nerds

on the other hand they're these

philistines and it's like the most ugly

combination you could possibly have you

know

it's like i said it's the vicious cunt

band kid that's exactly what it is

yeah it's like student council elections

and that sort of thing like you learn

how to

there's like a whole subset of skills

for that you know and like i know his

background sort of it like makes sense i

know a lot of people who come out like

that you know it's like not that unique

um there's like like that's why so many

people watch him because like you know

there's a lot of people who

have like we we have this sort of like

eugenic grooming of like these honors

students right like where it's like oh

like you've been selected as like like

you've been enlightened selected for

your innate intelligence or whatever and

it's like you are have like this divine

right and like destiny above the people

who weren't selected and like granted

honors or like you know be in the ap

classes or whatever

there's like that whole thing like i

think that's like one of the worst

aspects of like american culture is that

we have this like universe like

god like the the narcissistic gifted

kids society like it's so fucking

disgusting

like everyone like you know oh i like

went to college so i'm like better than

you honestly unironically i think the

issue comes down to

there's not enough bullying

and i say that on ironically like

these people

for some reason were forgiven and not

bullied and

i think that i don't think that's true i

think they are the bullies like that's

what no that's what what i'm trying to

tell you is they're they're only the

bullies among

the victims themselves like they're not

actually the bullies at the top of the

food chain these are like

they're it's almost like they're the

lumber how bullying works though they're

like the lump and petite bourgeoisie

they're not actually like

the boudoirs either or they're the

longest

yeah is that like the idea that like you

know like the really high status guy in

like high school or whatever was the

bully like the popular guy etc that's

never been true you're right that's like

you're right the mythology created by

this like machiavellian band kid people

but i i think i think themselves on to

that but i think people remember how

it's been i think these like vicious

band kids

do need to kind of be put in their place

you know they kind of get too much of a

free reign

well yeah i mean like the our empire is

designed to like cultivate them and like

give them as much power as possible so

yeah

it's difficult i mean like that's why

it's like i wouldn't like like i hate

the whole like pro bullying thing though

because it's like really ultimately like

what that means is like more people like

this

like that's what this is

yeah i mean

i kind of find it weird like well this

is what i'm saying when people say oh

you're getting bullied

what i don't get is like how is it just

it's only because he has more viewers

that it looks that way

and people can't wrap that around their

fucking head it's only because he has

more viewers there's no other reason

it's like

the dynamic isn't that objectively it

just appears that way because i have

less viewers and less of a following and

that's it i sort of feel i feel more

like you know i like i'm like the

student student uh i'm like a what is it

like a substitute teacher who like went

into the classroom and i'm like i'm like

having to argue with like the class

clown he's like oh i think this is all

meaningless like i don't want to do this

assignment like prove to me that it's

worth doing or whatever and then it's

like okay like

i guess i won't and then it's like the

next day they're like wow you fucking

own that subsidy teacher it's like how

much do you think that matters to the

person you know what i mean where it's

like like yeah you guys can like have

your like

i'll literally be sitting there doing

nothing

i'll literally be sitting there not

giving a fuck doing nothing

and then they'll all throw this shit oh

you're being destroyed right now and i'm

like

you know what i mean like

what like all they're doing is just

imposing on you a psychological state

it's literally what you don't have right

now right yeah where it's like you you

like champ you like just create it's the

information war right like the actual

facts of the matter matter much less

than the interpretation of the fact so

if it's like if you like people on the

right do this all the time it's a huge

like internet psychosis where people

build like these like reinforcement

centers where it's like they just like

contain themselves in this like reality

where it's like oh yeah you got fucking

owned or whatever and it's like that's

the consensus of this community like

we're running this poll and look like we

all agree because we're all part of this

like we all agree and you're getting

ratioed or whatever and it's like like

okay like you're doing all of this to

support your own conclusions right like

you have to you're creating this proof

for yourself

like it's not

it doesn't exist for any other destiny

dot he is

the two things are like the two things

like the two most popular responses are

didn't watch it and no like auntie me

and like didn't watch

oh uh another thing that i found

particularly uh funny

was when he would say shit like beauty

is subjective and i don't actually think

he knows what the term subjective

actually means

oh i know but what is he trying to say

that is like

is that true like doesn't he know that

doesn't he know that a subject implies

an object

oh i mean if we're talking about like

syria in all seriousness like no like he

doesn't know like he hasn't gone through

these things he doesn't take it

seriously like he's very content with

like why does he i think common sense

well even if you use common sense he's

making the assumption that because

something is subjective

that means it's somehow arbitrary or not

objective or related to the object or

some kind of common object like for

example if you say okay this means by

subjective is trivial or you know it

means that it's undecidable yeah or

let's say you ask them like okay destiny

why is a work of art subjective you say

okay because it depends on you know the

perspective people have different things

to say

about different works of art

and then what i would say is that okay

how do you know that's not a feature of

objects themselves to give rise to a

multitude of different

you know what i mean like how does that

mean it's subjective or somehow

arbitrary and then finally the when i

really realized this was a disgusting

person like legit a grotesque fucking

like

ah like a i don't know it's so

disgusting it's like

and you know what i know you don't want

to go here you're not the lysenko guy

but it does reflect physically it's so

grotesque when he said

art is about different subjective

enjoyments

when he said enjoyment that's when i

actually felt physical disgust

because

the experience just means get you off or

not i think that's all i mean

literally enjoyment

gratification has nothing to do with

sublimity it's the opposite of sublimity

actually

sublimity has a very in the

psychoanalytic sense castrative effect

on our enjoyment sublimity is the thing

that brings us to tears sublimity is

like fear and

horror and all exactly yeah it is not

the thing that we enjoy the thing that

we enjoy precisely isn't immediately

sublime

like yeah like the sublime is like um

you know the

sublime can even be

beauty can be a horrific

horrible fucking thing we do not enjoy

whatsoever but which is somehow a

painful truth and i just always think of

like biblical angels right like where

it's like

he's not afraid you know beauty is not a

reality encountering

something beautiful it's actually horror

it's like terrifying yeah beauty is not

about enjoyment it's about truth

yeah

exactly yeah and and

if anyone who thinks beauty is uh

arbitrary

look you can measure this in mass media

there it there may be different tastes

but tastes

have a rationale and logic to them

there's a laws to this there's patterns

to this it's not just chaotic it's like

yeah

if you like the thing is though is if

you ha if you have to grant that then

actually the like history of like the

most beautiful things produced by man

like then really matters and it like

matters that you're like uh educated in

these things so you have the experience

of these things so you can recognize

them in the world around you you know

what i mean it's like like that's like

the sad thing to me is that like uh like

literature like reading it's taken as

this like masturbatory exercise like

that's what you're saying as well and

it's like i don't think that's true at

all like like that's pretty like that's

like disgusting i think to like suggest

that like education or like you know re

like reading like the great works of

like world historical literature is

masturbatory is just like well then what

isn't masturbatory like playing elden

ring and like what he really means is

that it's like well elven ring is just

as masturbatory but i have no problem

with that well i think it comes from it

comes from when he said that language is

about communication which is actually

the biggest problem

because

when you actually when you get down to

it right language is not about the

communication between

a number of parties right or or one or

two people or three people

there is always a third reference point

in any type of

communication that is not party to that

communication always you know lacan

calls that the big other right and it's

just kind of intuitive makes sense the

big other right that kind of like thing

we always assume

knows the object of our speech

we just it's it's implied when we

communicate right and what what's

why i think text is such a privileged

medium specifically and why reading is

so important

is because this is the only way we can

draw out languages and he ultimately

wants his friends thank you thank you

joshua this is the only way we can draw

out language

in the absolute sense from its opposite

where it is not between two people

it's the very origin of

the objective process out of which

language emerges

text allows us in a way that is i would

say beyond time and beyond space

allows us to um

articulate it's almost like it allows us

to have a conversation with nothing

to speak kwa the void to me

that is

the essence of language

i agree like you know so much of this

stuff but like i can also like put on

destiny goggles and it's just like he's

like that's that's literally meaningless

like you have to define all of those

terms and it's just like

yeah i guess okay like like he wants to

take like a poetic statement and like a

poetic statement to him means like a

false statement or like a statement

that's like embellished or is like not

precise enough or it's like indefinite

in its ultimate meaning you know it's

like uncertain what it means because it

can it means too much you know like a

poetic statement like as you were saying

like like having a communication with

nothing with the void like that's too

abstract dude like what do you even mean

like are you high are you smoking like

you know what i mean it's like it's like

if you were locked in a room i think the

reason that's such a traumatic thing to

have to think about it's like if you're

locked in a room you don't get you don't

have any immediate validation from your

chat you don't have any immediate

validation from others you don't have

anyone to comfort you

you really then have to

find out what you're made of right

that's where you're going to be

confronted with the question of okay

i can't take refuge in other people

anymore i actually have to see what i'm

made of

and i think that's something that would

be terror i think that guy it would kill

him probably physically kill him like he

would not be able to

handle something like that like to truly

be alone you know

well he's not that's the thing he's like

constantly tied up in this like he has

this huge

network of people so i doubt he actually

spends that much time like alone you

know

yeah i mean like uh

it's like before you can

get your validation from others like

i i like this kind of cartesian i don't

like descartes himself his conclusions

but i like the moment of cartesian doubt

where you are truly alone and you have

no certainty in anything

and it's like you have to begin from

something you need a beginning right

um

a beginning that you can't derive from

from you know

from just funny because it's like he

values things like you know like elden

ring or something but it's like he i

don't think he could like really like he

could talk about like the mechanics or

whatever but like say like the art

design or like the general like

um construction of it the architecture

of it like what is the point of the game

like what is it supposed to mean like

what are these aesthetics from where are

these names from like what cosmos is it

trying to like represent sort of like

mythologically you know like through

this like large metaphor or whatever

what's the point of the game like what

are you what what what did the artist

who made this game you know to translate

it was trying to communicate with it to

translate it into analytical philosophy

terms he has plagued people like him

they're plagued by what selars wilford

selars he calls it the myth of the given

have you ever heard of this

yeah yeah yeah oh there's just this

there's just the self-evident surface

precisely that they don't have this

anxiety that

hold on this is not given and this is

somehow controversial don't believe in

satan basically yeah like that's like

the real thing it's like it's like like

there's like a type of atheism where

like you're still like afraid of like

satan or whatever like you're afraid of

uh like being like the like that like

surfaces are like lying to you you know

that like the way things just vaguely

appear like you know the common sense

understanding that these things have

been like manipulated or like you know

you're being or you're being manipulated

etc um like they believe fundamentally

that like there is no power like that in

the world or it's actually worse than

that because they're like well there is

such a power in the world and it's like

but it only hurts dumb people who then

deserve it you know

if you're smart enough to not to like to

be debunk all of the disinformation you

know then like you know you're perfectly

immune from like seitan

you don't have to worry about it

yeah i mean like um

the definition of a philistine is

someone who doesn't appreciate

the deeper harmony and unity of the

world right

to them the world is not like a piece of

art there's no meaning in into in it

like in like to me right like the way i

would say it is that like human

existence is the meaning of the universe

like the universe has no meaning without

people in it you know i think we got to

this at one point and we moved off of

that subject really quickly because i

was saying like you know like there is

no meaning to the world there's no

mathematics in the world without human

beings in the world like you know what i

mean but to say something like that is

like completely unimaginable to them

because to them mathematics is like

implicit in the world you know

like it already was there

yeah i mean um

it's so fucking stupid like they had

that math is actually a like a human a

human being would understand literally

like yourself wouldn't have to have

language blake describes he's literally

yours like with his like books of iron

and things you know like it's literally

all over the same like he's like a deist

you know he's like he's like a druid you

know he like worships like the

mathematics of like nature or whatever

and like the

order of like like you know make

reference to human nature and things and

like like this sort of uh animal chaos

of like striving and like the will to

power and then it's like

like groups end up having more will to

power than individuals at least in his

view so like then it's like the just

like the brute rule of like society and

like social consensus

yeah i mean um

why they're concerned with this

information or whatever they put it

because what that means is that it's

like a the social consensus drifting uh

against like their will to power like

what the what they would will the social

consensus to be

yeah i mean uh

when it comes to shit like that i think

a lot of it

a lot of this kind of again a lot of

this is going to come down to the

confusion so on the one hand you can

just be a person who's like okay i don't

care about any of that stuff i only care

what i care about

but

the moment it's like but you're also not

someone who

derives

their reputation from being particular

this is such an especially

dangerous combination

in terms of manipulating

a very specific group of like social

sycophants

who um

who feel like they have on the one hand

conquered all knowledge of everything

that'll ever have to be known in the

entire world and the other hand think

they've mastered the laws

of like you know

social engagement it's really fucking

pathetic

yeah they're wizards like like it's

rhetorical like you know like he's

that's what i mean when i might say

social intelligence even i think what's

kind of funny is like a lot of these

people um like the thing that they like

deny in their stated like metaphysics or

whatever is actually like

the thing they've hidden that is like

the source of like their power actually

because destiny is just like actually

just like a word magician

frankly like he's like a sophist in that

sense where he's like a rhetorical

gladiator you know he's a he's a he's a

wizard uh like in like his goal isn't to

create understanding but to create like

discord in like the mind of like his

interocular and like drive them like

insane or to like you know un-person

them in some way so really like that was

like my goal was no no i think the issue

is that soon as possible to see like

like eventually it just like ran out of

steam you know i think the issue is that

nobody ever cares about convincing

destiny right fuck him right who gives a

shit what he thinks it's his chat you

want that third party of like how does

this appear to the i don't even want his

chat i don't even want his chat the chat

to me is like an extension is like like

to me there'd be no difference if like

his chat was like solely composed of

like uh robots that he had like

programmed you know and that like i'd

i'm interpret like the way i've

experienced it because like those people

don't mean anything to me yeah um

he like i experienced it as like that's

part of like but then but then you have

to ask organize this himself right yeah

but without those followings that he's

created they're all like repeating

things that he's created you know i know

but like without creating them

you know i know but without that

following this is the question you have

to ask without that following i mean

why would you want to engage with

destiny in the first like what has he

actually accomplished that would make

him worthy of engagement

uh i just wanted i just thought it was

in like personally i don't know i don't

think you can do anything really like

that productive um i like one i could

say purely cynically like a lot more

people like like even there's no such

thing as bad press or whatever so i want

all these people to like you know think

that they like totally ruined me and

like pass my shit all around because you

know i want to race raise some funds i

guess but that's the most cynical way i

could look at it but really i just

wanted i thought it would be interesting

i just thought it'd be fun but it's

interesting because he's like a famous

figure who's

gotten to where he is

he's also over the hill though like his

influence is waning which is why he's

even willing to talk to me at this point

oh yeah i know that's well it's just he

needs content you know because he

doesn't really i mean no because it's

waning when you were talking let me put

it in here when you were talking to him

he was that's the place there's like

five people who can do what he does now

who are like less problematic

when you were talking to him there was

like 7 000 people

when you left he's at 4 000.

yeah

that's cool so that's what i mean like

he definitely does need the content

yeah i mean i i think that i don't know

i think i i'm not like ashamed or

embarrassed by my performance so i think

i did okay i don't know i was like i was

trying to figure out what i could even

do i was like what is even like he was

saying i was moving around topics too

much and i i was like yeah because like

you the way that you're engaging with

the things have like already foreclosed

the possibility of understanding what

i'm trying to say so i have to like go

to a different level you know when he

said when he said like for example

did russia invade ukraine or not and

then you're like well what about libya

and he's like oh you're changing the

topic you're not changing the topic

you're trying to show

how what we define as a definition of an

invasion it doesn't have an objective

criteria it's not based on some neutral

objective criteria

it's based in bias

that's what i was trying to say where i

was like where's like well like the

definition of words is actually like a

political question you know it's like

the um is the one like

but for him to say you're pivoting and

this is why he's a pervert for him to

say you're pivoting

assumes that he knows

what he's talking about in the first

place and he doesn't

you reveal to him a new way of looking

at what he just said that it implies

more than he wanted it to imply so he

accuses you of pivoting the topic when

what you're really doing is talking

about the same topic in a way that he

didn't expect

yeah it's kind of funny because he

actually pointed this out as like his

problem with like language as like a

medium of discussion i was trying to get

meta at one point where i was like well

i'm trying to like you know

like i understand that our definitions

of words aren't actually the same and i

understand the distinctions of this and

i'm trying to communicate still you know

like i know already for a fact like that

our the words we're using are not like

these perfect

objects you know that they have

histories to them and like you know like

but i don't think he could pick up on it

i don't know

yeah i mean look the most of the time

the guy was playing video games you know

so no but i made him stop eventually he

stopped right i didn't watch it yeah

he did stop because

you did get to him pretty significantly

but

you know usually when he's gonna be

playing video games while talking it's

because he's like all right i already

know the end point of this conversation

and just like how in a video game like

you already know the what what a button

is going to do right

like or you already know it's like it's

that level of like certainty

baseless yeah you know that's what i

mean it's perverted

well that's also why he doesn't read

because he feels like he already knows

like that he's not going to get anything

out of it i don't know i think that's

like the biggest anxiety a lot of people

have liked because like we actually

talked about the literacy rate and uh

someone informed me that like we were

talking about the literacy rate and like

the early uh like massachusetts bay

colony compared to today and i believe

that he like looked it up while we were

talking about it and like i was right

and then he just like shut it down and

we moved on to something else but like i

obviously wasn't watching his stream so

i don't know if that's true i haven't

gotten to that part it's kind of

interesting with the video games because

it's like

you know in a video game

you don't expect anything new and yet

there's something addicting about it

because actually there is something

new like there it everything is

pre-defined pre-programmed

and yet there's room for like

contingency in some kind of way right

so i don't know

i think that's

that's i think that's where he is like

even when it comes to politics when it

comes to anything it's like a video game

yes it's all already decided and the

rules are already fixed

but for some reason that's not

satisfactory for some reason even from

then from there there's some kind of

like um

contingency right

i don't know like though i could go into

like the whole form of like the video

game as like this like imperial

apparatus or whatever you know like it

all comes together so

well it's kind of funny like these

people like really don't want to know

the history of like the things that

they're obsessed with actually they're

like i love all these things it's like

oh do you know where they came from and

it's like

like where did these games come from

like why are you playing them you know

like there's these things like there's a

reason for

like video games being this like massive

production of america in the time that

we produce them you know what i mean and

it's like it's like like don't you like

aren't you interested in games like on

that level or no like if that's your

interest then it's like ultimately like

if you're interested in anything you

have to read books reading books is like

the vehicle of interest right like it's

like if you're interested in anything

you're going to have to read books about

it like otherwise you're not going to

get anywhere

like right am i wrong yeah no you're

right you're right um

yeah i mean um

yeah even imagine conversation

even in that conversation

and you never read like books of

directors like interviews even in that

conversation i had like

yeah in that conversation i had on on

cozy where i was like

they're like oh what do you do with

comments like well i've written you know

and the reason i said that it's because

genuinely and often i think that's like

the only real thing of consequence

that i care about that i've ever done is

writing the books that i have yeah we

live in this you you and i are like that

where it's like

but like that but apparently that

sounded like ridiculous like i and then

people told me they're hot the reason it

sounded ridiculous is because they

didn't believe you and that actually

gave me some relief because i was like

if they did believe me and still think

it's ridiculous and that's how much

books are like considered

pointless or something that would have

really

been a problem but i don't mind if they

don't believe you oh yeah i don't mind

if they don't believe me because that's

like i get to then dwell in like the

philosophical question of like

how the fuck could i be right and the

big other can be wrong you know

like i know for a fact i've read i've

written them and the big other is saying

no you haven't written them

so it's like and you know the big other

is contingent it's based on the chat

it's based on like what the public is

saying right so how could the big other

be fucking wrong you know that's like a

very

it's kind of like i have a perverse

enjoyment of dwelling in that state

where it's like i know things i mean and

you know this for a fact yourself

like i find it more annoying than

anything honestly because like it's

socially so

p like like so bad to like

like people think like you know it's

like when people accuse you of using a

thesaurus and it's like oh sorry i just

like actually enjoy expressing myself in

speech in like ways that are enjoyable

like you know or that are like very

particular in their meaning like i love

words like when i'm talking i just

naturally use these words like and

that's like not imaginable i guess

because people aren't like i guess

that's like a niche interest it's like

but like the english language

earnest though let me ask you this if

there's somehow a consensus let's say

there's a big other that says

something about you that you know is

wrong

what are the implications for them being

wrong i've always been interested in

that question like if you were to prove

them wrong i've done it multiple times

before and there's never been a response

so it's like

yeah it doesn't matter there's well

doesn't that cause psychosis in them or

something like no

no i think it does because every time i

every time i confront people prove them

wrong

they become more vicious and fanatical

about

like painting this bigger picture

it's almost like the ukrainian stuff

like the ghostbusters studies at the

point they're like psychological studies

but this is just general human behavior

that's been observed from like the

fucking dawn of time but yeah no uh like

like actually be like conclusively prove

someone wrong like

i will just make them double down most

of the time

well here's what i think is that

i think when you prove people wrong when

i have proven people wrong it's ma it's

emboldened them and made them more

fanatically vicious about the

overarching

um narrative they've created about me

because it's almost like i i've even

done like if i prove them like let's say

they they make a claim let's say they

make the claim that um

haas doesn't wipe his ass or some shit

like that right and then i proved them

wrong somehow that they were making that

up

they're like okay well if i was wrong

about that there must be something way

worse about you

does that make sense sure

sure it's almost like it's like this

weird gnostic thing where it's like

about it this way the more they're

they're wrong the more they believe

think about it this way this just came

to me but i think it's pretty

interesting um so like really like i

also saw earlier today there's like an

account on twitter that's like a totally

true destiny lore or something like that

and it's like uh like a bad takes

account or whatever but it's of like

other spurious rumors or whatever that

have been like debunked by stephen

himself like uh or whatever and like you

know people saying like horrible things

about destiny so like the thing is is

that all these people they're very well

aware of like the dynamics of like

creating like smear campaigns and just

like you know just lying in general but

like they also have like

so like they're aware of like how to

debunk it but because they're aware of

like how to debunk it they're also like

very aware of how to like do it

themselves and like do it in a better

way or like a more believable way etc or

like frame things in this way so it's

like the same people who are like

obsessed with like debunking or also

like creating the these dossiers and you

end up having these like communities uh

like these parasocial communities that

like create basically like an

encyclopedia like like encyclopedia

dramatica used to be or like you know

kiwi farms or other things like that

they create this like encyclopedia to

like create like it's like clone you

know like they create this like

hazian encyclopedia of like a fiction

and like the ideas for like i think i

think here's the issue that's like

subsume your world no no the issue is

one we've created the issue lies in the

truth of the fiction so when people

smear me and make things up about me and

i disprove what they're saying

the reason that has a blowback effect

like okay i've been proven wrong but

this just means that because my truth

about you must be true a priori true

there must be something worse about you

i'm gonna make up and that a priori

impression they have about you

is based on the subjective affect you've

had on their world and on their world

view especially in terms of what they

thought was possible that's the biggest

one when you've changed the threshold of

what they'd consider possible now the

issue with me

is

that it's almost like i traumatize these

people psychologically and everything

they say about me just reflects this

like cognitive dissonance subjective and

psychological turmoil they have in their

own heads

and it's like i don't know how to deal

with that like honestly do you want to

know the truth

i know the truth the truth is is like

the only way you can deal with that is

like the like a saintly amount of

patience like like um i read this

recently and it like really like it's

been sticking with me i've been thinking

about it a lot um it was like uh it was

like i forgot if xenophon wrote this or

someone it was like someone talked about

plato when he was out in like um like

advising at some court i forget exactly

where but um uh someone asked like what

particularly about like the wisdom he

has was like better than those of like

the office and he said that he could

bear injustices against himself with

patience

like that's

i honestly friends

you're on to something when you say that

because yeah

on the one hand sometimes i'm like am i

becoming weaker

by like tolerating this and because

especially when i get proven right and

i'm like holy fuck so i've been taking

all this shit this whole time

but on the other hand on the flip side

it's like i genuinely feel like

sometimes i see creators like throw a

fuss like oh i got a negative comment

they make a big deal out of it and those

people are way bigger than me and i'm

like you don't even understand how this

works i've already you know i deal with

way worse than that and i've already

you know like so to me there's yeah i

think patience has a lot to do with it

but you know when when i'm saying that

there is an underlying truth to all the

like

lies people make up about me whether

that's individual lies or just the broad

brush they painted of me

the truth lies in the fact that yes

i have definitely caused significant

harm to what you used to consider

possible but the dialectic tragedy is

that

instead of being reconciled with the

pain or this wound i've inflicted on you

as a testings or something wrong with

your worldview

you make me out to be the bad one right

like all i've done is change

all i've done was is challenge your

world of meaning right

and you've interpreted that to mean that

i'm somehow meaningless i somehow am the

problem who has to be removed

uh

to gain it back

so they don't like they don't like

respect people is the thing they're

they're only like sycophantic they don't

understand like what respect is

you know yeah

like but that's not really that's like

you know that's like kind of i guess

that might be a little unique ish to

anglophone or american culture at least

is like we we uh we call it like

anti-authoritarianism

but what it really is is just a

fundamental lack of respect for

people like you in general yeah or for

like i don't feel like anything it's

just like

i think one of the human i think one

human quality

which i even afford to my enemies

privately just because you have to in

order to know how to destroy them is

you do have to begin with the operating

assumption

that everyone is coming from a place

of meaning everything someone says or

believes

is ultimately somehow meaningful and

somehow rational

right yeah i agree

if you don't afford that to it like i

don't like this idea that the burden of

proof is on someone to prove they have

something to prove their value

yeah you have to like prove your value

to me is like such a fucked up thing to

say to somebody

yeah i mean i get like prove you have

something to say i haven't heard before

that comes with good faith right i get

that but it's like

to say prove what you have to say is

meaningful is an extremely barbaric

anti-human thing

to say it's like

there's meaning and literally like

that's like a sentence of like paganism

like pure paganism is like

that idea where it's like

you know where it's like

you have to i find it a very terrifying

way to live the prophets always win

though in those cases like in the old

testament that happens all the time to

the prophets and the old testament is

that they'll be like

you have to prove

like under the threat of death

you know

that yeah

so they end up having to say tell like a

story or something that has predictive

power that like no one else can

yeah

anyway i think this is all like very

meaningful stuff that like i don't know

it's like sad to me that like there's

people out there who have like just

flattened their imaginations for like

i don't know what is this like political

i guess monetary gain for like you know

narcissistic purposes i don't know it's

just sad to me you know i wish people

cared more about

things well i mean yeah i mean

ultimately this is a numbers game and it

comes down to like how much people can

you reach how much of an audience you

can gain how much i think it's more of a

time thing i'm more of a quality over

quantity like i don't i don't want i

don't want a ton of followers i want the

best followers

no no i get that but like um

even there are so many pathological

dynamics that we are inevitably

at the mercy of you know

yeah it's true i just it's like to be

honest with you logo

if destiny was just some random guy who

had like zero following i don't think

you would ever entertain it

i mean you you might talk to him on the

i literally you have no idea i talked to

literally i was going to say you you

would talk to him and you talk to him in

person i have no doubt about that but

like you wouldn't go out of your way to

like talk to him

oh no

like me i feel like i myself feel like

an idiot because i'm like

why am i even

giving this guy like what has he written

what is what brilliance has come out

it's literally just this pathological

shit of like the big other like the

social aspect of like

you know all the pathological shit that

comes with the fact oh this is a pretty

big streamer who that says something

about our society then right

yeah

i mean

i don't know i only did it just for

i don't know i thought it was fun first

one i thought it was interesting i don't

think it will happen again

yeah

but anyway um

i gotta give you a man lecture about it

but it was a pleasure

pleasure having you on

yeah should i watch your commentary of

it instead of watching the thing the

thing itself or because i was gonna i

just i didn't the chat was like

can i see my channel like at the same

time i can tell you what the chat was

saying because i i i wasn't watching the

whole thing live i only watched part of

it live

i actually pref i wanted to just talk to

you instead of watching the whole thing

live because destiny's so insufferable

and all the video game footage and shit

but the chat on his end was pretty

hostile pretty dismissive just like he

was they were just one to one reflecting

him you know they were like oh there was

some really stupid shit there too there

was like

there was like no i'm looking for that

every intermittent like one guy being

like but that last part was true with

like a thinking part or whatever because

i saw like a couple of those in the

first like five minutes

people being like okay yeah this guy's

dumb and stupid but like that one thing

he said was true i like those

yeah yeah

um

all right yeah i mean i don't know i

wouldn't waste time replaying the chat

it's pretty much what you're gonna

expect but um i don't know i i i expect

it to be what i expect but i didn't get

to see like his own like side of it

because i didn't watch the video so i'm

going to watch it that way okay because

i'm curious this is again mostly for my

own entertainment like i think it'll be

fun to watch it

yeah yeah

all right man all right uh appreciate

you coming on

it's always a pleasure

peace