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If you think it's you can bow, well just wait a tear till the sun goes down underneath the starlight, starlight.

Then the magical feeling's alright.

It will steal your heart tonight.

You can try to desist, try to hide.

But you know, but you know that you get the mold.

No, that you're on the phone like no.

Everybody get off the phone like no.

There's no escape from the lamb once they jail.

Weave the spell upon your heart.

No matter what it be, it will be too long.

When you're in my arms, underneath the sunlight, sunlight.

Build it all right.

Beauty, your heart tonight.

You can try to resist.

Tried to hide it from my kiss.

But you know, but you know, that you get the mold like deep enough.

Yeah.

Like no.

Yeah.

Whoa, whoa.

Try to hide from my kiss.

But you know, but you know that you get back the moonlight deep in the dark.

You'll surrender your heart.

But you know, but you know that you get back the moonlight.

No, you can't buy it.

Get back the moment.

No, you can't buy it.

It's gonna get to your heart.

You can try to resist.

You know, but you know that you get the more ideas in the world.

Love it too.

I wrote a letter.

I try to crawl

You never answer to me at all All alone in darkness A flame that doesn't burn Just a stranger in this madness At a point of no return Will I ever see the ocean in your eyes?

Will I ever feel your heart beat back to mine?

Just you and me.

The shorts are made.

Just one fun best and reef.

Biggie clader, Dr.

Meg is cheap.

Doesn't he have?

It's not me.

So shard and gay.

It's time, it's not time.

I saved

I will never fucking buy from Priceline, you fucking piece of shit.

I fucking hate every advertisement.

Fuck Sonic 2.

Hey Nitaz, what's up, man?

I see you.

Welcome, cult members.

And today, we have a lot lined up.

No way I'm running into this with no content and just doing it off the top of my head.

I would never do that.

I would never do that.

By the way, y'all like those 30-minute intros because we used to have 10-minute intros when you guys just had a little bit of more energy.

I don't know what this.

You guys need to understand something, all right?

Let the cult gather around, and everyone needs to understand something, all right?

The only reason all these other political people on the Internet are not communists is because they are lazy, retarded,

Um

I already said retarded.

Fuck.

Ugly, that could be a source.

I think so.

Why not?

You know, like, it's lysenkoism.

The laziness and the retardedness and the bad morals create physical ugliness, which works as a feedback loop, and it just look in the mirror and it reinforces their anti-communism.

Anyway,.

The only thing separating you from these other people who I don't know, they why I don't know what Hassan and Nick Fuentes and Destiny and all these other people is that you guys have high energy.

You somehow have the willpower and the vigor to recognize.

That we need to be building massive

Massive mega construction projects across the entire country, unleashing the productive forces, fully seizing power in the reins of the state.

None of the moralism.

We don't give a fuck about your democracy.

Yes, it's going to be authoritarian.

Good, Prawl.

What's going on?

Um.

Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun, yada, yada, yada.

You have that high energy and you have that ability to understand that.

And you know what?

That needs to translate in the high energy when we work as a community to get things done.

I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to roast gorillas for about thirty seconds.

This community, by and large, dog shit at making content.

Dog shit at understanding the algorithm.

Dog shit at knowing what to clip.

I don't, one of the reasons infrared as a stream is just not very accessible.

Nobody makes short form clips that are accessible.

Okay, you guys are really bad at these things.

And I don't see people working to improve.

I just see people gibbering in general chat in the Discord.

There's drama, apparently.

There's drop.

You know what?

There's drama.

Everyone needs to be lined up.

Into the cult compound, everyone lined up, and I should just literally grab a stick and beat everyone unconscious.

Drama?

What a heck?

And you have, and you would, and look at the clips you guys make.

They're not good.

And you're having drama.

Why?

What is going on?

What is going on?

Everyone needs to be very harsh on themselves and improve their understanding because we are getting lapped.

We are getting lapped by the opposition.

This community needs to literally be the best of the best.

And you know why I'm being so harsh on you?

Because we don't have sugar daddies.

We're not like these other political communities where they have dark money and they're getting all this help.

We have no help.

It's just us.

So we actually have to be.

An actual, like, the pure, like, the ex best of the best to get anything done.

And if you don't believe in yourself, if you don't believe you have the ability to do that, do you guys actually think I'm that special?

Like, do you actually think I'm like a Jedi or something?

Like, you think I'm fucking Harry Potter?

Like, I was born just gifted.

I'm just like you.

I'm just some random fucking guy.

Who applied the science, and then here we are.

All this from scratch, infrared, everything.

If I could do it, trust me when I say you could do it, okay?

And it's like if everyone had twenty percent of Haas's energy, overnight we would take over the whole country.

I'm not asking for twenty percent, I'm asking for five percent.

I'm asking you to have five percent of that, okay?

Um, all you lit, all you literally have to do is stand on business.

It's that simple.

It's like what Shia LaBeouf said: just do it.

Just do it.

So, what do you have to do?

You have to make the content yourselves.

Look at John Jackman.

I mean, that guy.

From the ranks of the guerrillas arises John Jackman.

determination, excellency,

He's pushing through to get it done.

He's making these tweets, he's making videos, he's doing all these things.

And it's very impressive.

All from scratch, you can do all these things.

When infrared first started, you think there were people like that around?

Nothing.

It was us, Caleb Maupin, Jason Unruh, and fellow traveler.

Maybe a few others.

That's the type.

So everyone needs to really stop pussying out and oh, well, you know, look, look, we don't have.

billionaires who are gonna throw money at us.

All of this is depending on the strength, the integrity, the power, the intelligence and the skill and the cunning of the gorillas and of the community.

That's what's gonna make or break this.

We literally have no external help.

Everyone thinks Russia and China help infrared.

They don't.

And Iran, they don't.

We get funding from no one.

We literally get funding from no one.

We get no help from anyone.

Nobody helps us with anything.

We have friendships.

Like we have friends and our friends like Guan Cha, other people there we know, and you know they help us in the sense of like a working media relationship, but I'm saying behind the scenes no one is artificially boosting this movement.

No one is helping us by giving us bots and money and resources and credibility and legitimacy.

Nobody's doing that.

It's that's why when I'm in person and I see the gorillas, it's like, wow, it makes sense.

It makes sense that this is like actually a thing.

But then when you see all these other people do these in-person conventions and you see their people, it's like

These are not people who are moving mountains.

Something here is fake.

Something about this brand and that movement is fake.

You understand?

So guerrillas need to start getting their act together.

And you know, take it from me.

You know, I don't.

I can't believe there was drama about nonsense.

It's just like.

I don't even know what it was.

I don't even care about what it was.

It's just like, why are you having drama on a Discord?

Why don't you grow up?

Think about it.

Imagine

I don't get it.

It's like, look, call me old fashioned.

Call me old fashioned, but it's like

Y'all really just like wear your feelings on your sleeve.

Like I'm a really?

Your feelings?

That's what you're doing on the internet.

You're showing your feelings and you're having feelings on the internet.

Have feelings in real life.

Have actual real life friends.

And family.

Why are you on the internet taking it so you know what I mean?

It's so cringe.

You got all these egos and fear.

You guys have to understand.

Even at the high point in which I was under demonics, psychological demonic attacks, like when I was first starting out, I was like, you know, I never took it personally.

You know, all my r fury and anger in the beginning was not personal.

It was a righteous anger toward the generality of my disgust toward lies in general.

Not that it even was about me.

Just the fact that these people are liars and it's unjust, yada yada yada.

But

Taking it personally, it's like

I've always seen myself as being on a roller coaster.

But it's not a roller coaster.

It's more like a force of nature.

And it's not personal.

I'm just hitching a ride onto 2036 that's strapped with nuclear weapons.

And

Um, it's just not that personal.

It's like I am walking through time.

There's things happening.

But I don't care.

I care about

Doing what I must to be one with the force.

Everyone laugh, or you are.

Going to jail.

I'm just kidding, guys.

Uh

There's a lot of things I cannot tell you.

that are going on and I can't tell you about them.

Um give me a one second.

Give me one second.

Give me one second.

guys i'm back uh

Back guys, I just took a shit.

Hey, Slava!

Oh fuck, I fucked this up.

Slava with the five, what's going on?

Anyway

Um

So yes.

There's a lot of troubling weakness and low energy, and I don't understand how people have that, or what the source of that is, or where it comes from, but

Um

Yes, yes.

And honestly, guys, we need to turn the energy up just in general.

In general.

You know, you know how many times I go on Discord, look at general chat, and it's just people farting?

We need to, and I'm telling you this right now for a reason.

I'm not saying this out of the blue.

Again, there's not a lot I could tell you.

All I could tell you is to wait 1.5 weeks.

Infra cultist, what's going on?

All I could tell you is to wait like 10 days or 11 days.

But now is not the time to start losing energy.

That's all I could really tell you.

Okay, it's really not the time.

It's really, really, really not the time.

Uh eh, things will come as they come, no matter what.

But American partisan with the five.

Did everything in for cultists?

What's going on, guys?

And um you know the thing

We should bear in mind um going forward.

Is that

We got some hats on the way.

I can't even tell you what the hats are or what they look like.

I have it, it's right in front of me, right there, but I can't bring it on stream because it'll give away too much.

Jaysco, what's going on?

Jaysco with the 10.

Wow.

Jayska with the ten.

Wow.

I'm super excited.

I just, uh, it's like, you know what that is?

It's like, um, isn't that it?

There's an episode of Spongebob where he has like a secret and he really wants to tell everyone, but he can't.

That's kind of how I feel right now.

Like, I cannot tell anyone, but I want to so bad.

I'm so reckless.

I'm so reckless.

Anyway, guys, of course, I'm talking about my new food.

Cuisine, culinary,

Um

what would I call this?

Culinary uh career in being a chef, 'cause I've been cooking a lot and everybody's getting samples.

Some people are getting samples which they're going to choke on and die from.

What a weird thing to say.

That literally is not even remotely close to what I'm talking about in terms of the secret, but it just sounds very ominous and hopefully scares the right people to knowing that we mean business.

But look, uh what I was going to say anyway is that apparently Israel is gonna invade Lebanon.

I don't know if you guys have been hearing about that.

I've been trying to avoid the topic as much as I can because I'm sick

Warlord.

Which gorillas should we look up to, besides John Jackman?

So we can learn from their example.

Um

Rev Lescaris

Of course.

Rev is another great example.

I always feel like Orvo and Genghis Kanye.

Like those are people

Who I think have some shit locked down, you know?

It's just like, I don't want to keep.

Obviously, Volk Vulture is literally a hero.

There's so many, there's so many.

I don't want to have to name everyone who I think is doing a great job.

All I have to do is point out that the majority are doing a less than great job, and that's the problem, okay?

Jesus motorcycle, yeah, of course.

Talents.

Yeah, like I said, I can't name everyone.

But I could say that the majority are lacking, doing less than what they should in terms of excellency, in terms of quality, right?

And to be clear, we are probably one of the most organized communities

on the internet.

We are I have never seen a community I have never seen an online phenomena as organized as ours, that is as big as ours.

Usually the limit to being this organized is ten people.

We have hundreds that are like very, very much soldiers

Able to do things in unison, but we need to be better than that.

If we even have a fighting chance, we need to even be better.

We need to even be better, right?

We need to be way better.

Why?

Because we're not going up against people who are smarter than us, and better than us, and more talented than us.

We are going up against people who have support from entrenched moneyed interests that we do not have.

And that's why we need to be 20 times better than them in every regard and in every way.

We need to be better.

We need to be 20 times better.

Okay?

Minimum.

At minimum.

Just to have a fighting chance.

Notice that.

Just to have a fighting chance, that's what the level we need to be on.

That's where we need to be.

Okay?

For a new member like me, what can we do?

Await orders.

You know, start by hitting the two buttons when it's commanded.

Boost this post.

Like resweet reply.

I mean, you don't have to do that for the general posts, but for the boosting the stream posts, absolutely, 'cause those get deleted right after.

So look, we Yo, Red Blade Runner, what's going on?

What's going on, Red Blade Runner?

I've noticed an interesting uh I've observed an interesting phenomenon.

I don't know if you guys have seen the same thing.

You ever notice that the red that the Stalin is going out of fashion among the pan leftists?

Whereas the the the the logic for them was as follows before.

It was like, oh, Stalin is bad and then they projected onto Stalin their kind of murderous desires for revenge against people that they dislike, and they're like, actually, maybe Stalin had a point.

If these were the people, transphobes, he was killing them.

And then now it's coming full circle.

And it's like the left comms and the trot nonsense.

That's what's starting to become.

And even when it's not explicit, you know what people are saying?

Like Roderick.

Bitch.

'Cause I don't want to offend certain communities by giving him the nickname he deserves.

Uh but he is Wow, F?

Yeah, fuck this.

I will literally exit the stream right now.

All right, we're done.

We're done.

Fuck this.

Fuck this.

Fuck.

I'm not doing this today.

I don't have the patience.

I'm not doing this today.

Alright, fives or we're just gonna end the stream straight up.

I have no patience for this today at all.

Fuck this.

Fuck this.

Sevens if we're back.

Some people are doing fives, that's not good at all.

There's a huge delay then.

Sevens if we're back.

I hate this fucking shit.

I don't have any patience for this.

I just don't.

Nines, nines, go ahead with nines.

Let's look at the delay.

All right.

S see, there's some people doing fives.

I don't know if y'all are trolling.

But that's a serious fucking problem.

Oh, thou those fives are really bad.

That's really fucking bad.

How fucking delayed this shit is.

All right, well, let me say something.

If you are delayed right now, I hate you personally.

And you're so annoying for being an idiot who doesn't realize that it's delayed by two minutes.

And you're just going to type nonsense in the chat from three minutes ago.

I want you to know I personally hate you.

Okay.

For those that are keeping...

Yes, keep spamming those sevens from 49 seconds ago, guys.

That's really, really nice.

Yeah, so much enthusiasm to spam those sevens.

You don't know how stupid you look.

That's the problem.

You don't know how fucking stupid you look.

Anyway.

Let's continue.

It's only like two people in chat keck Wing, because they're the only ones who can even hear what I'm saying right now.

Look at all these losers.

They're doing a fucking five march.

A five march thinking they're

Thinking they're keeping up.

Bunch of idiots.

Anyway, guys, uh

Ha okay, what about threes?

Any threes?

Let's see.

Threes?

Alright, okay.

So some people have caught up.

Anyway, guys, let's uh get back to what I was saying.

I've noticed a market shift in the tone of uh the pan leftists around Stalin, and is they're all going even if even if they're not like Roderick

The bitch

Even when they're like him and they still say, Oh, well, Stalin, I read Lesoudro and he's but they still say Trotsky was also good.

They're like, the Stalin-Trotsky split should be amended.

You should be.

I'm professional.

I'm professional.

I'm professional.

I'm professional.

See, I was about to say something that would have gotten me in big trouble, but I didn't say it because I have that much self-control.

I have that much self-control.

Okay?

If you believe that Trotsky should be exonerated.

How can I say this without sounding like a murderous psychopath?

Let's think about this.

Um

You should be Jason Unrude.

Nobody knows what that means, but it sounds really bad.

So that's it.

Nobody knows but I don't even know what that would mean, but it just sounds terrifying.

It just sounds terrifying.

with him and his barbed wire baseball bat.

Anyway, uh dark, that's not what I meant.

That is not what I meant.

That is way too far.

That is way too far.

Not at all what I meant.

Nothing to do with fallout.

Don't mean it in that sense.

That's a little too harsh.

Uh Alexander the Great, what's up?

Anyway, um

This has veered off in a direction it shouldn't.

But these foolish idiots don't even know what the point of Stalin's synthesis of Leninism was all about.

Don't I sound like such a nerd saying that?

But it's so true.

They're like, oh, well, they're both like, you know, you don't get it.

Why do you even identify with Marxism-Leninism if you don't get it?

Like, if I ask you people, okay, what makes Marxism-Leninism distinct?

They will have nothing.

They will have nothing.

They won't even have anything to tell me.

Hassan, nineteen forty-nine.

What's up, man?

Um

But in any case this is the kind of unfortunate situation that we're in.

Which is uh the normalization and rehabilitation of Trotsky is under way among the pan leftists.

And that's just like how mm what's next, Hitler?

You know?

Probably actually.

Probably.

Yeah.

That's another thing that's happening that no one's uh responding to.

is the rehabilitation of Hitler.

People po people even as a meme.

Even as a meme.

It's like for people, all Hitler represents in their mind, their very uninformed, ignorant mind, is like this strong man who defied the liberal world order.

And it's like they could not be so further than the truth.

On every account, he wasn't a strong man.

He didn't defy the liberal world order.

Yada yada yada.

Why do they think he's a badass or something?

I don't get it.

Because he yelled in the microphone and then lost the war.

But in any case

Such is the predicament situation that we're in.

Yeah, the History Channel is literally.

I'm gonna go ahead and say this.

A lot of people are blaming Elon Musk for the rehabilitation of Hitler on social media.

I think the History Channel actually deserves that blame.

It's the History Channel that gassed him up so much and made him seem like the biggest badass ever.

to the point where they started

Entertaining this view that it could be like supernatural aliens who had intervened.

It was such a mystery and enigma of Hitler is such a such a mysterious

It's such nonsense actually.

Uh the History Channel's fully to blame.

Not even partially, just fully.

And uh you know I don't know.

A lot of people really just find it intuitively um convincing and persuasive, you know?

Okay.

Ah, Jackson has just made the announcement.

This is something else I couldn't talk about.

Jackson was in Donbass.

But he's back now, apparently.

But now we can talk about it.

Couldn't talk about that before.

I just see it now.

And um last sp after spending the last week in Donbass.

Yeah, Jackson has a lot of nice stories.

But he was in the Donbass.

He was uh rolling with the boys.

Wagner

Actually, I don't know if that's true.

But he was in Donbass and it was a secret because had people known, they would have tried to kill him.

I'm sure they did anyway.

Um

I'm sure they would have anyway, to be honest, because the CIA of course knows.

If I knew, the CIA knows, you know, because they have everyone

NSA spying and all that.

But, you know, we need to be attentive to the following fact: that it's actually Jackson who's the CIA agent.

Because, you know, this guy on Twitter, who's like a schizophrenic stalker, knows way more than the Russian government would.

Let me tell you that.

The Russian government knows way less than Fiorella Isabel.

Okay?

Fiorella Isabel is like so much more advanced in at reading Twitter threads.

than the FSB.

She just knows I mean, the FSB doesn't know, but she does, because some guy posted a Twitter thread of Jackson uh out of context saying that Netanyahu was better than his opposition.

Um for the elections.

Yeah, Ukraine tried to strike the location he was at previously, right, and he escaped.

Which is so nice.

Which is so nice because uh

He's not dead, and he survived, and he is now able to be used for the purposes of advancing American communism.

It's got nothing to do with the fact that he's like my best friend.

That's totally irrelevant.

This is a total impersonal, ruthless utilitarianism at play.

Okay?

Totally unbiased.

Anyway, I really have no content.

I just went live because I had to go early on RT.

Usually I'd spend a few more hours preparing something, but guys, we're going to wing it and have fun today.

All right.

Don't worry.

Don't worry.

Don't worry.

Don't worry.

Putin met Kim Jong-un, if you guys didn't know.

Super cool things going on in the DPRK.

Twitter space.

Ah, I wanna be I wanna talk to Tariq Nasheed and

Alright, whose space should I join?

I'll join a space right now.

Whose uh space should I join?

I'll do that.

Uh let's join um

Traitors and impostors lie okay, this is D and D space, but I don't

I don't know what's going on there.

Any spaces I should join right now?

Dan Cohen

Hoteps insult Groipers and shame Sneeko for being at half pack.

But how could I join that?

What would I say?

Uh Suleiman Ahmed is co-hosting an AFPAC stream.

Russia Russia

This I'm you know what?

I'm gonna go ahead and I'm so fucking sick of the Twitter space clout chasing actual grifters who have no beliefs and no values about anything, but are just literally looking to that it's not even that they're looking it's a very pathetic type of grifter, right?

It's not even that they want more money.

It's not even necessarily they want more clout.

What they want is more Twitter space listeners.

And that's their dopamine fix.

That's their serotonin fix.

I don't get it.

And they don't make money off of it.

They don't get anything from it.

They don't even get real fame from it.

Because ask someone on the street if they know who the fuck Mario Nafalaz is.

Nobody knows who that guy is.

And

You know uh host one yourself.

Should I host one?

Should I host one?

I blocked all leftists on Twitter, I think.

I blocked all of them.

I used an app to just mega block like thousands, thousands, and thousands of them.

This was months and months ago.

I think this was before Russia that I did this.

I was like, you know what?

These people are basically not even human in my eyes.

I'm just going to block all of them.

And I forgot about them.

I don't even remember them now.

See if you can debate a Trotskyist.

That will never happen.

They will never debate me.

Look, you know what the problem with these space debates are?

That I don't want to do them?

When I first started doing Twitter spaces in 2022, everybody thought they were going to come on and like own me.

And they realized I was literally beating the shit out of everyone, so no one does it anymore.

And the leftists that do join the spaces occasionally are 50% fans.

Like, you need to understand that.

There's no leftist, pan-leftist haters that will ever interact with me.

In any live setting at all.

If they interact with me, at least 25% of them likes me already.

But no one who hates me will ever interact with me in a live setting because of h because they know what's gonna happen, because I'm gonna dismantle the irrational source of hatred that they have for me.

And they're gonna realize like they have no leg to stand on, they have no ground to stand on.

They they literally have no leg to stand on.

Like, what are they gonna say?

You know?

And many of them like me uh secretly.

That's another huge thing.

Many of them like me in private, but are too scared.

to come out in public about it because, uh,

You know, it's I look, I'm not trying to be ableist.

Actually, I I don't recognize ableism as a real thing.

But I don't want mean to offend, but autistic people dominate the pan leftists.

Like, they own it.

Everyone is like in private very different than in public because they're trying to dodge the autistic overlords who just hound the fuck out of everyone who just doesn't fall in line.

Everyone it's literally everyone's like Metal Gear Solid Snake hiding under boxes, hiding from autistic people.

That's the truth.

Join Nikki's Space.

Uh Nikki, uh Nikki, can I ask you a question?

Why did you make up a tweet?

Not a tweet, um.

What's her Twitter?

Nikki the Hegelian.

Why did you fabricate a Discord that poor guy Welsh, Welsh Republic?

Why did you do that?

For what reason?

Um

I don't like that.

That guy can't catch or break, all right?

He already made some really bad mistakes on Instagram.

Uh

And now he's being YOOO!

What?

No!

I don't deserve this.

Smudly.

Smudly, there's our dark money.

Smudly, what the hell, man?

Wow.

Wow.

Just gotta say, wow.

I am at a loss for words.

Uh

Debate Noom Chomsky.

I'll take con the hundred.

Thank you, Sherl Stanny.

But yo.

I literally just got bombed in a really good way.

You know what I said?

I'm like, if Putin wants to drop the nukes.

He has my permission.

I'll gladly accept them.

for the purpose of advancing multipolarity, Smudley just dropped a nuke on the stream.

But in an in a positive way.

Well, the other way is also posit, but you get what I'm saying.

In a way, that's positive.

Far more.

Smudly!

Wow!

Ah, there's our dark money, guys, there's our secret financiers.

Um wow.

We are definitely going to deliver some content tonight.

Let's join Nikki's space.

Oh, this is n this is Sarah's space.

Let's well, let's join it.

Agent, not Linda.

Lily, yeah, my bad, my bad.

Linda's a different name.

Yo, I thought we were gonna give Nikki a chance.

I heard she's like Roger.

I like Linda, but I don't like Lily.

But Nick, yeah, Lily.

We like Lindy.

We like Linda, right?

She did her 23 and me, and she's like 5% black.

She got a pass.

Oh, good for her.

I don't like people who are just trying to learn.

Like, fuck off, what are you just trying to learn?

I just sent Haz this space, so he might be joining.

Hello, Nikki.

He's literally here.

Oh, is he here already?

Haz, come out.

Yeah, we are ready.

Oh, shit.

Get him in.

I'm just like, totally just here trying to learn.

Whoever's here trying to learn, remove them from the wanna learn, hey kids, just say no to drugs, don't get high like flipper.

Of course.

Like, I'm just totally unbiased and I'm just trying to learn.

I like planes guys.

I wanna learn something.

Uh listen, fake uh dodo guy.

Uh listen, Sheriff.

Uh very pleasant surprise to see you popping up from your butthole here to here.

Couldn't join.

I literally cl kept clicking a button and can't do it.

Uh kept trying to click

the thing and I just can't do it.

Ah and also I don't know any of those people except Sarah.

Um anyway, uh

Host

I can't.

I literally couldn't join.

It's not that they were talking.

I just couldn't join.

Like, I literally had the button that said join a speaker.

I kept clicking it, nothing would happen.

Uh host, I don't I don't know what leg to stand on.

I mean what am I gonna what do I do?

Declare war against India?

The only thing I could do to guarantee content is to make a troll space declaring war on India again just for the engagement.

That's just guaranteed numbers.

There's there will be numbers if I do that.

But I don't really have much to say.

Is the problem.

I just know that will definitely get attention.

Ha ha ha.

Anyway.

Um

Talk about the China border conflict.

I don't think I should, because they're literally fighting with like sticks and swords.

Meaning, I think they.

There's nothing I could do to like, you know, they're not really.

They're trying to sort it out amongst themselves.

I don't know.

They say, come back.

I'll try.

Start speaking.

Okay, look, I've clicking it.

Start speaking.

Join a speaker directly.

I fucking can't.

Ah this is just so fucking like disastrous.

Start speaking.

All right.

How about

Start listening ladies like like Nikki Bella no alpha males like those surface tragus like those those surface um piercings we do like the female why would any girl your ears and your nose honestly lobe lobe's fine but upper lobe is weird I don't want 64 virgins when I die I want I am clicking it I can't join yes I can't join as a speaker I literally can't all I could do is join as a listener and that's all I could do

Um

And I don't know if that space was my

Uh was for me.

Let's look at

I know everyone hates Zolo because they're an anime heretic.

It's so insufferable, but they made a video that might be content to react to.

Let's check it out.

What does this mean?

MLMPM.

Marxist, Leninist, Maoist.

What does PM mean?

Peruvian.

What does that mean?

Pansexual elements.

Principally, I don't know what that fucking means.

I don't know what that means.

Alright, anyway.

Oh, what is this?

Haze, when are you going on the Hodge Twins podcast?

Alte, what is up?

Wow!

Wow!

Wow.

Wow!

This is crazy.

That's why I'm selling them hats at cost.

Not even gonna profit from them.

He's gonna sell them at cost, not even gonna make a dime on them.

Probably make loss.

Wow, Alte, what's going on, man?

Appreciate you.

Uh what is this?

Gaddafi, I like how their worst thing they could say about Gaddafi is that he's a religious fanatic.

None of them were ant what?

What is that?

How would it be?

Isn't this a troll?

This is

I approve.

I definitely approve of this.

Uh what is that?

You know what I fucking hate?

People with these stupid ass profile pictures with the sunglasses and the band.

Dude, just shut up.

I can already hear this person.

Animal liberation.

Gavin.

This is what.

See, we've come a long way from this to John Jackman.

We've come a long way.

We've come a long way.

Because this was the only thing in town before infrared.

Now there's a whole new generation.

We've come a long way, guys.

Uh act what?

Only fans of

Mm-hmm.

All sex is exploitative.

Why does he end it with join the revolution?

Join the revolution just by not having sex?

Then you join the revolution?

That's a lot of people.

He's making it seem like it's like join the party.

Like it's a big whole, like it's a big rave, it's a big party going on just by abstaining.

Jesus Christ.

Is this real?

This is really bad.

Speaking of Chomsky, everyone thought he was dead today, but he's not.

Uh so that's just like not even news.

I mean, why did I even mention it?

Yeah, everyone thought he died, but he didn't.

So.

Chomsky's still alive, I still don't care, though.

This is not bad.

RIP to a real one.

Yeah, I agree.

I don't mind this, I agree with this.

Part two comin' soon.

Well I mean

That was definitely a video.

That was definitely a video.

That I have watched

I love this.

Now this is something we love to see.

This is uh North Kr this is D P R K in Russia.

This is Putin, and these are Russian flags.

This is so fucking cool.

You know what's weird how there's these like pan-these weird like pan-leftists who support the DPRK because they think that the DPRK is anti-Russia and then this is the DPRK waving Russian flags and showing Putin?

Isn't that so weird how they like think the DPRK is like represents their values or something?

So strange.

It's like only like look why tell me what deformed malformed freak

Is the like how did we get to a point of people with Ukraine and DPRK flags in their bio?

I've seen it.

Tell me how that works.

What mentality is that?

I don't know what mentality it is, but I find it disturbing and it needs to be shut down.

Okay?

Join my space on why communists should support a Trump victory.

Yeah, but you better be straight to the point.

And let me see if it works 'cause the browser is not really working.

I don't want to have to f load up stupid ass, um

Blue stacks.

I just wish it would work.

Let me find I can't find anyone space.

Um

This is such good news.

I love this.

This is the Putin I love, man.

Putin is cementing himself to be a very based

Gotta love it.

Love to see it.

See, they all love him 'cause he f 'cause he had balls.

To defy the whole Western world.

Uh, apparently, Nikki's got a new space.

Let's see if this one works.

Start listening.

What?

It what is this?

What is this?

I need to be invited.

to speak.

Hi yeah, I don't know what this is.

As you guys can see, I'm trying to

Can't join.

Just doesn't work.

Can you come up?

Communists should endorse Trump victory in 2024.

I can't join.

I literally can't join.

Hmm.

What up, Nikki?

What's up?

Is it working for hostage?

Oh, wait, can I just go?

Did you invite him?

Yeah, I sent a co-host invite and also a speaker invite.

It might be because he's on browser.

Damn, browser users.

Yeah, it's not worth it.

Let's try to get him up, though.

Oh boy, Israel's losing the war against Lebanon.

That's going to be fun.

Alright, well he here's what we're gonna do.

We're just gonna do blue stacks.

I I have no choice at this point.

I didn't wanna have to do this.

I really hate blue stacks a lot.

Um, but I don't have a choice.

Four percent loading.

App player.

Let's just go there.

Yeah, we're gonna have to use BlueStacks, that piece of shit garbage app.

Hi.

I'll be joining shortly.

I mean I know this will work at least.

But it's just not going to be a great time.

Don't have me logged out of Twitter.

I was logged out.

Fuck.

Wow, this is so fucked.

Shit.

Give me a second.

Gotta log in.

Don't you guys love that?

Gotta log in.

Wrong?

Weird accounts like Israel plus China, and Ukraine plus DPRK.

Weird muddy water psyop.

Or are there people actually that dumb?

Seems Seuss.

I know what the problem is.

Bach

Yeah, this is so fucked.

This is really bad.

You know what?

This is stupid and

Alright.

Here goes nothing.

Shit.

Fuck, it's so fucking broken.

It's really broken.

Like, I don't know what to do.

I don't know what to do.

Wow.

Yeah, this is cooked.

This is cooked.

I can't log into BlueStacks.

Just put that into perspective.

Can't log into BlueStacks.

I fucking hate this app.

You know, I hate this fucking piece of shit app a lot.

A lot.

Yeah this app is the most disgusting piece of shit app in the history of the world.

I mean that, I have never, ever been more disgusted and I have never had as much hatred for any app in human history as this app.

Nah, there's there is one thing I can do.

There is one thing I can do.

Alright.

I have something.

that I can do.

This is the last thing I'm gonna do and if this doesn't work, the stream is over.

But I think this will work.

Ah fuck, what a disaster.

Literally, fuck BlueStacks though.

Like, actually, fuck BlueStacks.

It is genuinely a piece of shit.

And um I hate

Anyone who defends it.

Alright it worked.

It worked.

It worked.

I'll join the space.

Can everyone hear me?

Can everyone hear me?

It worked.

Can can everyone hear me perfectly though?

Yes.

All right.

Um.

All right.

So what's going on?

Oh, I was uh wanting to debate you about uh endorsing Trump in twenty twenty four.

Alright, what's what's your

Go ahead.

Yeah, so uh you know when it comes to Trump I mean you know obviously I don't really uh endorse Trump as a as a person or as a politician, but you know in terms of his victory uh in the election I think uh there's something that is worth uh paying attention to called the Trump wildcard factor, which is essentially that uh you know there's a ten to twenty percent chance that Trump embraces a multi-fol uh multipolar foreign policy, which is uh ten to twenty percent greater than any other presidential candidate in uh you know modern history.

Um, and at least he's not guilty of a genocide as well.

I mean, it just would be uh

Better for him.

Wh why do you think there's a relationship between candidates that people like you and I endorse and their actual prospects to win?

Like why do you think why do you assume that there's even a any relation, indirect or direct, there?

Because I don't think there is.

I don't think it matters.

I don't think there's any effect me endorsing Trump.

Um

That exists.

Except compromising my own integrity in terms of whatever political project I want to be involved in in the future.

I can't cha I can't affect the outcome of the election at all.

There's nothing I could do to affect it.

But I can shape my own future politically and my own record.

And I mean, we're trying to build the Communist Party, you know?

All that me endorsing Trump would do is compromise my integrity on that record.

And why would I want to do that?

Oh no, I was just saying I just think in terms I would just support a Trump victory over anything.

Right, but even think about that.

Like, what do you mean support?

Like, what do you mean?

Uh I mean like uh in terms of you know uh a Trump victory would b essentially signify that uh a felon, a convicted felon has more to offer to the America than any establishment hack or scum has to offer to America.

My problem with that is what you're saying is basically it would make you happy because it signifies something about reality.

But if you're not already confident about the nature of reality right now, practically speaking, like why are you waiting for Trump to come and put a smile on your face?

Wha wh it tells me you you don't have a clear understanding of reality or one that is um clear enough to inspire you into any kind of political outlook.

Like you're saying, Okay, if Trump won, that would make me happier, but it's like

shouldn't actually building a new f political

Um

A new political alternative, be what makes you happy?

Who cares if Trump wins or he doesn't win?

What I care about is if Joe Sims wins.

No, you're you're 100% spot on.

I I just think that you know there's when it comes to uh when it comes to Trump and I I mean I'm not super strong on this argument, but I w I just wanted to do do devil's advocate to hear your thoughts.

But definitely in terms of you know like building a new political project is 100% better.

But you know Trump you know I think he has a 10 to 20% chance at you know lashing out against the unipolar forces in foreign policy, which I don't I think it's very unlikely that he's not.

Let me ask you something, because me and Jackson talk about this all the time.

Why are you putting it where's the ten or twenty coming from?

It comes from his uh hi the fact that he's an emotional, you know, p uh pol politician.

So he could act emotionally as Marxists.

You shouldn't give any weight to individuals.

Who is he surrounding himself with?

Is there any faction among the people he's surrounding himself with that would open that as a possibility?

I don't see them.

I don't see them.

I mean, in 2016 it was more ambiguous, but this time around I s I don't see anyone in Trump's circle, his inner circle, his people.

Talking about like when I say his people, I mean when he gets elected, he's gonna put people in his cabinet.

Who among the potential people he's going to put in his cabinet would represent that view?

I don't see it.

Oh no, you're 100% spot on.

Like I said, I was just kind of playing devil's advocate.

I wanted to hear some of your thoughts, but no, I appreciate that for sure.

No problem.

Really enjoyed the RTV today as well.

If we want to pivot towards talking about Lebanon at all, I think that could be interesting.

I mean, to be honest, there's not much to talk about.

If you've read the news, that's the news.

I mean, I don't have breaking news to offer besides the breaking news that.

The uh you know, the the there's a offensive that just got approved into South Lebanon.

We'll see if it goes through.

If it does, it's a regional war a hundred percent.

But there's really not I don't see much more news besides that on that front.

Yeah, it's just when it comes to Israel, I think that people are really underplaying and downplaying the fact that Israel's really been losing this war.

They haven't done a successful hostage rescue to date.

They needed U.S.

special forces to do that one operation a few weeks ago.

They're getting their ass kicked in the north by the boys in yellow in South Lebanon.

But you know what?

I don't want to do a news space.

I'm already falling asleep.

I've already read the news.

I know what the news is.

I'm not doing.

I mean, I wouldn't do a Twitter space to do the news.

I would just do it on my stream.

Anyway, let's bring up some actual ops, Nikki.

Let's bring up some people who dislike me.

Because I always want to give people an opportunity to lash out and give, you know.

People have so much feelings toward me and I I want to give them the ability to, you know, to basically lash out and, you know, be the dad in their life that isn't in their life, and they can yell at their dad.

So let's let's give people that opportunity.

Sure.

So anyone who wants to debate Hawes, please feel free to request.

I'll make sure to check.

Someone said Giannis appears.

Giannis Verifakis sees me as like a father figure.

He's angry at.

I don't know about that.

There have been five or six neo-Nazi bots spamming a couple infrared accounts for the past few days.

I think we've been assigned a few of them.

I'll send them a DM if they actually have the courage to stand on business.

I don't think you should DM them.

I think that we should have this be organic and just have people request.

I'm a co-host now, so I can see requests, but no one's requesting.

Not even one person.

Yeah.

Everyone's a fan.

Yeah, everyone here likes me.

It's actually pretty.

Yeah, so I see an anime profile picture in the bottom.

Sorry?

I see one anime profile picture.

On Bython.

Yeah, that's fine.

You know, like, um, something I noticed is that everyone who interacts with me live in any way, at least 25% likes me.

People who full-on haters will never interact with me in any live setting at all.

They just they have so much emotions toward me, they can't they can't be in the same VC as me without bursting into tears and getting emotional.

And it's very sad, and I wish these people the most peace.

Uh in their lives.

But let's

I mean, nobody's requesting.

That's incredible.

Everyone here is just my friend, I guess.

Uh yeah.

Anyway, um

Yeah, the the right wingers, they don't they're not interested.

They just they don't want to debate.

I've debated enough of them.

We've s I say the same things over and over again.

They are unmoved by it because they find it very difficult to think about it.

It's really just a matter of thinking, I think.

Amir, what's going on?

Hey, how are ya?

Not too bad.

Um I just uh logged in, you know, you said uh the haters never come on, so uh and then definitely I'm not a hater.

Um so I just wanted to kind of prove your prove your point correct.

Um you uh you're someone that I did kind of uh l listen to for uh quite some time and uh I do like your position on uh Palestine quite a bit, has.

Oh, well thank you.

I appreciate it.

Uh I myself am actually an Iranian.

Um uh I'm an Iranian, I see myself as an anti imperialist, um so I think a lot of sort of what you say and a lot of s sort of what folks say um around you certainly resonates with with me.

Well, I'm always glad to hear it, thank you.

Appreciate it.

So, there's a lot of drama always going on on the Twitter space scene, and I uh I'm wondering if I sh if is there any money to be made from that or what?

Because I feel like it's kind of just a waste of time, right?

Like, Soleiman Ahmed is just like I always hear he's in so much beef with all these people, and I just think it but for free, you know, he's making what off of this based on there's so much like conspiratorial gossip and you know, people I don't get it, I don't get it.

I um

Maybe maybe we should explore that explore that dimension.

'Cause I I actually feel like I have a life, you know.

I feel like the things I do matter, but there's a lot of people that spend their time

Twitter space drama stuff, and I just want to peek.

You know, I haven't been in the space in so long, and I just want to see what it's all about.

But um, so we know it's not for ad revenue because people of his account size make approximately $200 a month on ad revenue.

So, we know it's not for advanced revenue.

Yeah, I make you know how much I make $30, and I'm not even kidding.

I make $30 a month on ad revenue, literally $30.

Can you fucking believe that?

I make $30 on ad revenue per month.

I don't make anything from Twitter, literally nothing.

Why?

How is that fair?

You know?

I'm not even kidding.

Twitter gives me a notification.

$28 has just been inserted in your account.

I'm like, oh well, thanks.

I guess I pay for the check mark.

But uh I'm super blacklisted by all these ad companies.

They'll never

Don't they don't want to put any of their ads under my tweets.

But um

Yeah, that's such a shame, isn't it?

Everyone thinks I'm like rich, and I am today 'cause of Smudly gifting a huv hundred subs.

Um but beyond that not much going on on the money front.

Anyway, uh J Jorge, what's going on?

Hello.

Yeah, what's up?

Um, is Swamp Communist one of your guys?

I'm just curious.

Nope.

That is a um a big op, I think.

Oh, okay.

I mean, for some reason, like, uh he appears along, like guys, like Rev and stuff.

Uh well

I don't know what to say.

I mean, I don't see any of these people in the trenches.

I mean, they're on Twitter always complaining about us.

But whenever a right-winger is spreading lies about communism or praising Hitler, I never see them responding to it.

I never see them pushing back on any of it.

I never see any of these people who have a problem with the MAGA communists.

They are doing nothing to counteract the tide of Hitlerism.

and the rehabilitation of Nazism and the historical revisionism surrounding that.

They do nothing.

All they do is spend their time attacking us, who are actually the only people pushing back on the actual Nazism.

So this is why we call them fascist collaborators, because it's what they are.

Anyway, um.

Um is that all you wanted to say or what?

Um, well, I wanted your input 'cause the swamp communist guy has been like arguing with like someone else

Alright guys like

Swamp Communist Inks, the American familiar with the Chicano movement?

Huh?

The Chicano movement?

Yeah, what's going on with these movements?

Well the Swamp Communist has that the Chicano movement is a national liberation movement.

And this other guy, I don't know his name off the top of my head, he just has that it's it's like Mexican settlerism.

Yeah, I I don't know.

I I feel like there's a lot of LARPing going on.

I mean, like, when we talk about national liberation, I mean, what are we talking about?

You know?

Like, what what what do what what is meant?

Are are we talking about like uh

A formal occupation that's going on because I've tried to make the argument that popular sovereignty is gone in America and that you know the country is occupied because the previous form of popular sovereignty was usurped, and we're in this situation where you know we don't have national self-determination.

Um, and there's just it's like what Stalin said: there's basically a

A clique of imperialist financiers that just totally have usurped any semblance, even of bourgeois democracy.

So, like, I feel like that's a very concrete position, though, because you look at the fact that our government is in so much debt, you look at not just the fact that the politicians are bought out, but all these unconstitutional legislation that's getting passed as of recent, the Patriot Act, and much, much more, the rise of unconstitutional federal agencies.

So, like, when I talk about liberation, I feel like I'm talking on something very concrete.

But when pan-leftists are talking about liberation, it seems like they're talking about liberation from emotional grievances or discrimination or unhappiness.

And I kind of see that more as a self-help or self-fulfillment.

Um

kind of culture and not not actual like a actual liberation.

I I d I don't like these terms, like uh indigenous liberation.

What do you mean by that concretely?

You know, I I would love for someone to tell me what they mean by that.

And if they mean um

Because here's the thing.

If you're talking about concrete liberation in America of anyone,

You cannot make that something separate from the liberation of the American people in general.

Now that can involve the particulars, of course.

It can it can and evolve

And redress the grievances of different ethnic groups in this country.

But

There is no way to make it something separate.

Diego is here, actually.

So I have to say something.

Diego, I was scheduled to talk to him, but I was such an idiot.

I don't know what I was on RT and it was just like it went on so long.

I ended up being late and I basically ruined it.

But Diego is someone I wanted to talk to for a very long time.

Hey, man, what's up?

Hey, what's up?

Oh, good, man.

Again, even though we haven't been able to connect formally, it's nice to be able to talk to you guys.

Oh, appreciate it, man.

It's an honor to have you.

And Diego, I saw, met Maduro and spoke with him.

Yeah.

That is so cool.

That is just so cool.

Yeah, yeah, I've been going to Venezuela for the last four years and I finally got the opportunity to interview him and the interview went so well that uh I got another second chance.

So we did one interview on a Friday where he interviewed me about political materialism and then I interviewed him on Monday.

That is beautiful.

I um speaking of Venezuela, I don't know if I can spoil this.

But

Uh

I'll just fuck it.

I'll just spoil it.

Jackson and I are planning.

a trip there, formal trip, so not just the vacation, but an actual formal trip.

I don't I don't I don't think there's anything as big as what you the interview landed

I don't expect that.

Certainly not for myself.

But, um

We definitely have plans.

We were invited.

But I don't want to spoil too much because I really don't know how much I can say.

But I think I can just say that.

Yeah, so this summary is...

If there's anything I can do for you guys over there, let me know.

I mean, I know a lot of people.

I've been there a lot of time.

So anything, let me know.

Wow, thank you so much, man.

I actually really appreciate that.

And on the topic, if you don't mind, I want you to comment a little bit about these indigenous movements.

And one thing I think is important for listeners to keep in mind is that, in a way, the logic of neoliberalism and the liberal logic is the logic of atomization and fragmentation.

And in a way, what has been happening in several fronts, macro and micro fronts, is that for capital to perpetuate itself as a logic, it has to tear down whatever holds resistance to the logic of capital as an end in itself.

So on a macro level, it's everything related to geopolitics, sovereignty of nation states, the development of productive forces, and of course the cohesiveness of values, society, language, culture, whatnot.

And on the micro level, we can feel this by the predominance of individual logic over the logic of collective feelings and intersubjective necessities, let's say, in order not to use too complicated language.

So when we talk about these indigenous movements, we have to be very much aware that at the same time they are exploited because of their position in relationship to the means of production, but at the same time indigenous movements can be co-opted by the logic of capital to tear down national sovereignties.

And this is especially fragile in South America.

So we have to be very, very careful when handling those topics specifically because they tend to behave as a double-edged sword.

Yes, I've observed that.

I mean, I think this person was alluding to a big debate happening where you're from Mexico, correct?

I'm originally from Brazil, but I'm currently living in Mexico.

Yes, because there's many these bizarre pan-leftists, and this is what I call them, pan-leftists, in the U.S.

Um who basically um

Claim that Mexico is an illegitimate state and that it's stolen land from the indigenous people, and that basically Mexico must be balkanized along, you know, along ethnic, indigenous lines or something.

And, you know, what a silver platter that would deliver to the financial elites of the world.

What a silver, I mean, what a gift that would be to the imperialists to destroy one of the strongest sovereign nations in Latin America and under the banner of this kind of leftist nonsense.

Exactly, that's the problem.

And it's the same conversation that was had in Switzerland this weekend.

I think it was the president of Poland that he mentioned that the wet dream of NATO right now is to balkanize Russia into 200 separate spaces with different ethnicities.

So again, this is just the neoliberal logic being applied in geopolitic violence or the use of aggression.

The smaller the state, the less sovereignty they have and the less ability they have to protect themselves from aggression, especially if it's a non-nuclear nation.

That's why we have to be so much aware of the importance of coming up with new geopolitical blocks for the future, especially when talking about Latin America, which is my goal at the moment to unify intentions in the region in order to be able to survive this moment of transition.

And I think this is one paramount topic for any other country that wants to survive this period of time that we are, that it is moving from a unipolar order to a multipolar order.

Yeah, and to add to what you're saying, there's an especially strong economic aspect to the neoliberal tendency to balkanization, which is because balkanization also increases dependency on financial capital, foreign financial capital, and usury.

Whereas regional integration and this kind of big states, more or less to be vulgar, they have more sovereignly integrated supply chains, which permit an ability to basically engage in independent economic, or relatively more independent economic development that gives them more leverage in relation to these international creditors.

It decreases dependency upon them.

It allows them to build their productive forces with more kind of.

with more ease, with less reliance.

It allows them to build their own capital, so to speak, from scratch.

Balkanization introduces the necessity of financial institutions that mediate relationships between states for the purposes of trade and the acquiring the necessary raw materials.

So for example, in China, China's dealings with Africa, Africa has resources that China needs.

And this is why China has had to kind of develop alternative and new financial institutions to mediate that trade relationship.

But imagine for a moment that China was balkanized and that China's supply chains were even less national and less integrated than they are now.

And there would have to be all these different states within what is today's China that in order to trade and interact with each other, that would have to be financially mediated somehow by financial institutions.

And the only way you can build your own independent financial institutions because the financial institutions are part of a world financial system, part of the hegemony, is you need to create that raw capital, industrial capital, from scratch.

And that requires regional integration.

That requires a state at the scale of, you know, like the USSR or today's Russia or China.

And the smaller the state is, the more dependent it is on these kind of financial abstractions just to have access to the necessary resources and goods to have any part of this global supply chain at all.

Yeah, I agree absolutely.

And you can see this, for example, that then after that, if you fall into the balkanization trap, they will instrumentalize your balkanization by using the fact that the world division of labor already happened.

So you can be very easily isolated if you don't play along with the rhythm of the FMI.

So this is the example of Venezuela.

This is the example of Cuba.

And the example of most countries that try to apply an alternative political model to liberalism, they were heavily punished.

And because they were isolated, the punishment was unsurvivable.

So what happened historically is that they used these countries that try to step away from the liberal and the modern ideology of capital and try to apply a different political ideology.

And they were used as an example to the world of the failure of trying to escape this nightmare ideology.

So this is the perpetuation of Tina.

You know, when Margaret Thatcher said there is no alternative, is that we have to suffer capitalism because we know in a way, and then again, hegemonic ideology is synonymous with common sense for the guerrillas and the common man using social media, you know, the typical guy.

So you cannot escape ideology because you have only not been taught that hegemonic ideology is common sense, but also any attempt to get away from it is like 300,000% inflation and starvation and poverty.

And this has all been manufactured in a way.

These countries that were isolated, balkanized, and just like has explained, they were left alone and not able to survive the sanctions.

They are now used as examples of the cost of stepping away from liberalism.

So in the end, this is why we have to be very much aware of these dangers.

And I think not only indigenism, not only this notion that we have to return the land to the original owners, which again is natural law instead of positive law.

I think there's a lot of ontological inconsistency in most Marxist thinkers, especially on Leinen.

I mean, it's not even fair to call them Marxist thinkers, but one of the main inconsistencies, the most common inconsistencies that I see, is that people tend to think with a liberal ontological framework to talk about geopolitics.

So you can never really address materialist politics with a liberal ontology.

And, you know, people use natural law, they use individual free will, they use reason over material determination, and that will always end up in the same ideological traps, and people will not be able to escape them.

And this on-the-fringe topic conversations, you know, identity politics, indigenism, natural laws, will always end up falling into the trap and giving into the logic of capital.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

And, you know, just to briefly add, it really comes down to this kind of.

And this is kind of touching upon some future projects, some future work.

All right, spoiler, it's a book coming up, which is the neglected realm of political philosophy within Marxism historically.

And not that it was neglected in practice.

I mean, the political outlook of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao was very refined.

It was very much rich with wisdom.

But it was never formally translated fully into the language of Marxism.

And, you know, the square one I would say, just to add to what you'd say, is like the premise we begin with, which is this notion that societies and civilizations are just abstractions and the real tangible existence is that of the individual.

And all of the kind of ontological assumptions that come with that and the kind of metaphysical commitments, that is, I think, a great place to start.

The question of, I mean, what definite existence does a society actually have, not just in terms of relations between people and the kind of the Marxists will talk about the preeminence of relations before the actual things suspended in the relations, the individuals, but something more concrete.

Like, what is a...

What is a uh

A social whole, you know, a a concrete, definitely

You can even say a state, right?

I mean, the notion of a state doesn't necessarily.

It's not as loaded as it has come to mean today.

It's the state of things, right?

The state of a society, the state of a given history.

And that that is formalized in actual political states.

But as far as the real thing is concerned, what what are the what necessary kind of ontological

Questions need to be raised and posed in order to understand that.

And I think that's something very present for Marxism.

So if I may, I think you're spot on on the comment, Haas, because I think the way I pinpoint it right now is that my main enemy is scatological idealism in politics.

And I think there's a lot of scatological idealism even in current Marxist thinkers.

Because for me, the basis of Marxist thinker is the relationship between material basis and idealistic superstructure.

If we keep at least to this dialectical core from Marxism, which is the true inversion of Hegel, you know, the true inversion saying that no, it's not the Geist that acts as the absolute spirit in human action, as the idea of freedom materializing itself through history.

It's the inversion of that, is that material condition is what gives birth to ideological superstructures.

And the notion of the nation-state, culture, moral values, right or wrong, these are just idealistic superstructures that come out, that emerge out of material relationships.

You know, at the moment I'm doing my postgraduate in post-structuralism and critical theory.

And even though critical theory is highly debatable, I'm more interested in a materialistic theory of language.

So how concepts create a certain level of stability through time and the relationship between the formation of concepts and the use of language and how language necessitates or has pre-existing causes, a priori causes, material causes that give stability to concepts.

People tend to forget, but the notion of states is quite recent.

I mean, we have been with the notion of states for a couple of hundred years, not more than that.

And potentially, it's a notion that will eventually merge out as well.

But it all depends on the material conditions necessary for the use and the concept of nation-state to emerge.

And what will eventually dialectically overcome the need for a concept of nation-state is the change of material conditions.

So it's important for us to understand that language itself, even though it's a as a dairy die explanation, is a self-containing game that is constantly relating back to itself.

There is nothing outside the text.

But then again, we have to think that language is just alive as much as material conditions permit it to evolve.

So my fight is still against this notion of eschatological idealism within Marxist thinkers.

This is what I hate the most.

Like I cannot stand Marxists that think ideally, you know, like either you topical thinker or the ideological notion of history.

Like we have to go back to the material basis and then the dialectical relationship between those material bases and how they produce the ideological superstructures.

The fight has to be fought in the material arena, not in the ideological m arena.

Very interesting, you know, and we can go on for hours.

I have a lot to say about the question of material.

By the way, just a quick one.

Are you familiar with Bataille?

Yes, of course.

And because you mentioned scatological idealism, I don't know if there's a relation to that or.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm a big fan of Batel.

His notion of the exclusion.

It's very important for us to take in consideration Batel when being self-critical.

I mean, we always tend to exclude that which is negated, and then the negated come back as a symptom.

And then we can talk about Hegel Lacan, but Batel nails in the head.

It's like, yes, it's like, but also, I like about Bataille is this kind of notion of.

I don't agree with it, but I think it's a necessary step on the journey to materialism from idealism, which is this kind of notion of the base materialism, that for thought to be oriented toward what is material, there's something about the integrity of the ideal that needs to be effaced, right?

And kind of delivered to the kind of vulgarity.

And so I mean, not directly, of course.

Bataille likes to put this in direct terms, but very pornographic, yeah.

Exactly, yeah.

But I think that there's something there, which is this kind of the orientation of thought toward its own contrary, toward its opposite.

Another thinker that does this is, of course, Ilyenkov, right?

And his view that the kind of high point of the communist consciousness for humanity is this kind of cosmic scale self-destruction.

And I think that's it's it's follow obeys the same logic, you know?

Yeah.

But yeah, beyond that I

We definitely should have a kind of more formal, uh, long-scale talk sometime, you know?

Uh, yeah, absolutely, man.

The invitation is still up.

I'm just I couldn't tell you at the moment, but uh, I couldn't organize the schedule with you because I was just like depending on the agenda of President Maduro.

So, it was kind of hard for me to formalize a date, but now I'm probably gonna be more free.

I'm actually going to Venezuela again from the 26th to the 30th of June, but then after that, it will be awesome if we can schedule a talk.

You can come to my channel anytime.

Oh, thank you so much.

That'd be excellent.

Sounds good.

For sure.

So, yeah, I'm going to let someone else speak so I don't monopolize the time.

A big regard, guys.

Thank you so much.

It's a pleasure.

So, did someone who else wanted to speak?

Someone named Sharif?

What's going on?

Hey, what's up?

No, I didn't want to speak.

I was just listening.

Got it.

Mo, what's going on?

Hey, what's up guys?

A couple of familiar faces here.

Thank you for allowing me to speak.

I kind of had a just a general question, but surprisingly, well, not surprisingly, Haas and Diego, you guys really touched on it.

It was essentially the question of how neoliberalism can backslide into fascism, but you guys pretty much covered that.

But on a more specific point, how does like these neoliberal policies in terms of the like responsibility to protect that sort of ideology, how does that fit into this neoliberalist structure of the West and clearly how that's affecting the Middle East and particularly?

Can you guys speak on that a bit, if you don't mind?

Sorry, when you you're talking about the kind of enforcement of international human rights or whatever.

Exactly.

Yeah, Pio.

Well, I mean, I think that it was always a kind of almost cynical, barefaced deception.

I mean, it was an excuse to circumvent the sovereignty of nations unaligned or insufficiently aligned with the U.S.

global, principally financial system.

And it's, you know, obviously the selectiveness of that, the hypocrisy and selectiveness of that notion is very much on display in recent events in Gaza.

But I've always viewed it purely.

I mean, I guess you can kind of maybe explore the depth of the neoliberal ideology and see how it square.

But I think it's very superficial.

I think it's so superficial that it could be on a commercial, right?

As far as what they're trying to communicate with that notion.

This view that, you know.

Um there there there's a need for uh you know uh a a world police effectively, a world government even, if you will, to basically protect victims of malign governments or you know other kinds of malign social forces.

I think that that implies some kind of shared framework of human rights and so on and human values, which.

I mean, look, to put it this way, I don't just believe

that there is a kind of deficiency or a breakdown of liberal human rights in Gaza.

I think we are being confronted with the reality of liberal human rights in terms of what is necessary to maintain the global hegemony, which justifies itself on the basis of human rights, of course.

But materially speaking,

What the Zionists are doing is maintaining is doing what's necessary to maintain that hegemony.

I mean, think about it.

If there's no Israel, then you have a regionally integrated Middle East, you have a superstate that is probably going to form, which is going to challenge the hegemony of the so-called protectors of the free world and the world at large and human rights.

In order to maintain the very same hegemony that justifies itself on the basis of universal human rights,

The killing and the slaughter and the destruction of people, as in the people of Gaza, is what is necessary.

So it's it's fully on display the reality of human rights, I think.

And this has been ongoing, Ha.

It's not just Gaza, right?

It's been decades of this shit.

Of course, yeah.

I mean, you don't even need to mention Iraq and Libya and so on and so on.

Come back.

No, it's not yet.

Yeah, I was just gonna say Libya is one of the only cases where R2P has ever been actually used by the United States.

And look what R2P did to Libya.

Yeah.

Anyway, I think there's a groiper here named Applesauce.

So go ahead, Applesauce.

Let's go.

Yo, what's up?

I'm just catching up the conversation, so I'm still working on that.

Or another Groiper too, Ace, actually.

You can go for it.

Well, can you just start off with a Groiper argument if we just want to start it off?

Go ahead.

An argument?

Well, I had an unrelated question.

I like you guys.

We were talking about you at our conference, our last day of our Detroit trip.

Ours got canceled.

I think you guys had an easier time.

So kudos to you for pulling it off.

We had too many racist people pull up.

I wanted to ask Haz about the Hollywood blacklist.

I don't know if that's going to derail everything, but just to get your perspective on it, because the communist side of the industry kind of gets a one-sided story.

And maybe some people here are more curious about the philosophy of communism, but I kind of like the pop culture side of it.

So I was curious if you ever got into that intellectually or the assertion.

Are you talking about the McCarthy era Hollywood blacklists?

Yes.

I mean, to be honest, I don't I don't see much in it.

I think that i i it seems like um

that communists were able to be more or less

Much more tolerated under Roosevelt, not just because of the war, but for other reasons as well.

And there was a context in American history in which that wasn't a taboo outlook.

And then with the onset of the Cold War, it becomes taboo, and then many of the people who were sympathetic tangentially to the labor movement and to socialism and communism basically started getting removed from the institutions of society.

Or what do you think is the alternative explanation?

Oh, well, you know, I'm right-wing, so like I see that as like cultural subversion.

But no, I can understand, like, from I guess in the entertainment industry, the standards are a bit different.

It's not exactly, I guess the Cold War politics kind of strangles any political identity.

So, yeah, I guess it's like a violation of free speech or whatever.

If you've ever read James Elroy, he kind of lampoons this idea of like communists infiltrating Hollywood to take over consciousness and media.

I don't know if that's really totally true.

Maybe today I would see that more so with neoliberalism.

Can I comment on that?

Sure, sure.

Yeah, so I think what is interesting is that again, you see, this is the liberal ontological point of view trying to explain reality.

And what it clashes with is the pertinence of the logic of the system itself, man.

I mean, if you start a priori by thinking we are free agents acting upon the world and materializing our necessities on the action that we assert on materiality, then yes, you will explain it from the intention of individuals acting upon the world.

But it's much more simpler than that.

There's no master evil plan behind it at all.

I can tell you, I've been next to probably the most important Max Marxist alive.

And the logic of capital is very subtle.

It's subtle in the sense that, you know, there's sponsors and sponsors want to make money.

And the way money works, it has a certain implications behind the operations and happenings of money.

And money will not go against itself.

So it's very simple.

You end up being filtered out.

But this is a very, very subtle filtering.

I think like the a-listers that you listen about, they probably make too much noise and they were like triggering other people and working on class consciousness and whatever.

I'm not even sure that works anymore.

But then again, you get filtered out by very simple, very subtle mechanisms.

If you're interested in this topic, I will recommend the reading of a text by Gilles Deleuze called The Societies of Control.

And there's a sub-branch of philosophy called Kubernetes, is the philosophy of system, the cybernetic thinking and self-regulating of logical systems.

And when you explain capital as a system that operates via human behavior, it's materiality, is human relationships acting on the will of people, then you start to re-understand the logic of capital through another lens.

It's just to add you an extra point of view to your notion, as a refreshing reminder, let's say.

And one more thing, I just very briefly.

You know, if there was communists in Hollywood.

I don't think it was subversion in the sense of like, you know, oh, they're trying to poison our culture.

Because here's an example of a movie that was that hired writers who bypassed that blacklist, and it was Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus in 1960.

And if you go and watch that movie, I mean, what about that movie is kind of expressing values contrary to a healthy society.

It's expressing values of defiance against tyranny and literally slavery and so on and so on.

And I think it's very important.

Whatever extent of communists were in Hollywood in the 50s and 60s.

Their influence had nothing to do with the kind of

I don't know, woke, woke stuff that started coming into media in the past decade or whatever.

I mean, these guys had a kind of deep outlook, very much a lot of thought is going into it.

They were very convinced of it.

I don't, you know, I'm not a big Star Wars fan.

I actually liked the prequels a lot recently.

Let's go.

We're back, man.

Thank you.

But I know there's a new Star Wars thing that has everybody very upset because it's about lesbians or something.

Well, I would just say I don't think that has anything to do with the communists in Hollywood in the 50s.

I think that's something very, very different.

Man, it's totally copy.

It's capitalism.

You know, progressism is capitalism.

This is what people need to understand.

The logic of capital is to tear down whatever barriers negate the perpetuation of capital as an end in itself.

You know, Marx said it.

You know, everything that is solid is going to melt into air.

The notion is that capital needs to tear down barriers.

Progressism is profoundly aligned with capitalism.

It's like even, you know, people is the problem with the woke paradigm of like, oh, wokeism is an ideology.

What is it?

It's like, look, it's not an ideology.

Even if there was an extremely refined agenda to subvert American society culturally, it would be intelligent.

This is not that.

This is a blind, soulless, and thoughtless kind of pandering which fully obeys the logic of capital.

And people ask the question, okay, of just kind of ratings, this soulless corporate nonsense.

They're like, okay, well, why is it so unpopular then?

If they were truly interested in kind of maximizing their revenues and whatever, wouldn't they want it to actually be popular?

Well, even the ability to have a soulful attunedness with the tastes of the masses, and even this ability to kind of have a deeper outlook and bigger vision, which resonates with some kind of meaningful values or whatever, that is, as Diego points out, even that has to be melted and liquefied and deterritorialized.

Even that is an obstacle to this kind of mechanical standardization.

It's much easier to just kind of put a fat lesbian as the lead character than to have this kind of, you know, more, I don't know, loftier or contemplative themes, which actually mean something.

It doesn't mean anything if you just have a kind of fat lesbian or whatever, but it definitely fulfills a quota.

It definitely fulfills, you know, a corporate.

Yeah.

And this is why the systematic thinking is so helpful here.

Because if you if you try to analyze the one movie or one series as a product that is trying to maximize added value within the PL of the production itself, it will probably not make sense.

What you have to think is that progressism as a trend overall for the autopoiesis of capital as a system pretending for his self-perpetuation, progressism is much more in line with that objective than whatever conservative value.

That's why you have to think that as a global system, as a meta-mode of production, capitalism, the logic itself organizes, so this will eventually lead to more accumulative capital in the category itself.

Because if one movie starts making money by promoting past rituals, conservative values, or whatever, tries to sustain or restrict the growth of capital, even if that movie makes more money because it appeals to a broader audience, it goes against the logic of capital.

So that's why you cannot make one a systematic analysis of a product in itself.

You have to think of every product, every commodity within the logic of capital as a macro mode of production that dominates a stage of human development.

Since we do have Ace here who's like a part of the America Firsters, I did want to ask, you know, in terms because the America First movement, it calls itself a Christian movement.

You know, Haas, in terms of MA communism, do you think MA communism should take on a Christian or religious or Abrahamic character in the spirit of the Founding Fathers, who weren't exclusively Christian.

They were also deists.

But there was somewhat of a religious character to it.

Or do you think it should be a secular or take on a secular character?

Uh sorry, I caught some of that.

You're saying uh do I think it'll be secular or overtly religious?

Not overtly religious, but do you think it should take on like uh a Christian or Abrahamic character for MAGA communism in America?

Uh like in the kind of the same way, you know, some of the kind of things.

I think in contrast to um in contrast to uh kind of uh theocratic politics or liberal secularism uh communism should be um should incorporate it should be religious in a folkloric sense.

It shouldn't shy away from a religious language and religious rhetoric and the evocation of religious themes.

Um, but it should neither proceed from the conceit of some kind of uh religious doctrine according to which you know um it establishes itself as a preeminent authority uh on religion.

It shouldn't f say, you know, it shouldn't get involved in the dispute between the Mormons and the Baptists and the Catholics and the Muslims and the Jews or whatever.

It should confine itself to a kind of folkloric popular sensibility which focuses on the content of religious belief and not so much the kind of ecclesiastical or ritual form, if that makes sense.

Yeah, for sure.

Because I I mean, I think that, you know, at the end of the day, like, the separation of church and state, it's a it's a myth kind of thing that really only ensu like this myth that's perpetuated in society, it really only ensures that the people who have power in uh liberal democ

uh the people who have power in liberal democracies, they really only are the ones who have bad theologies.

Uh so you know there shouldn't be this separation of church and state which prevents people with good theology from having power.

Yeah, again, the the tr the tricky thing about religion is that there's no I mean, it's literally there, but it's very esoteric and it's very easy to confuse the form with the content and it's it's easy for to to wield the authority of a religious banner without actually

Having anything to do with the content it reports to be.

There's a reason there's religious feeling among the masses, but oftentimes this is just frankly abused.

And the conceit of being a religious authority in the sense of like, oh, well, this is the correct theology, this is the incorrect theology.

I mean, I don't think there's any theology stronger than praxis.

There's no theology stronger than actual political struggle and waging the struggle of the masses and the people.

I don't think it's important.

to uh dwell in kind of abstract theology, which veers, to be honest, it seems like, veers on the level of formalism and

Idealist philosophy, which I think is something separate from religion as such.

I would like to hear the Groupers uh defend their position in terms of uh being Christians and saying that they that they have the superior position here.

I'd like uh either Ace or any of the other Groipers to request and um speak on that.

Yeah, like defending Catholicism in America.

Yep.

Yeah, well, you know, Gen Z being having a lot of Hispanics in it.

So, you know, the meme is true.

There's a lot of Latin types in the movement.

And so I think just invariably you're going to get mostly Catholics, even though we're trying to be American nationalists.

We are kind of sidestepping the Protestant legacy.

But I just think that's just kind of natural.

It's part of the identity politics that we play.

I understand.

I understand your guys' perspective on that.

That's kind of like playing into the hands of ideology.

But I think it's just something that is non-negotiable.

Obviously, our approaches to topics like race and the people that run the country, I guess we come at it from a less dialectical perspective.

But we like to kind of embrace that identity politics strategy with Catholicism and far-right sites as our...

Even from a pragmatic perspective, though, what I consider very bizarre about the strategy isn't necessarily Catholicism in America, but specifically white nationalist Catholicism.

That's what I find very bizarre.

And

Very much at odds with the reality.

I mean, it's one thing to have an expressly Catholic movement and Catholic politics that involves the majority of actual Catholic demographics, but then it's another to say where we want a Catholic theocracy politics, Catholic identitarianism, but only white people.

It's like it's a minority among white people and a minority among Catholics.

And I don't see how it becomes something viable.

Sure, I would say that, well, it's not, you know, it's not white supremacy.

Like I said, there's a lot of brown people.

But the point is, like, as far as white nationalism, like Jared, like the alt-right was like secular white nationalism.

So yes, I would say that kind of ideology doesn't really square with our Catholicism because we believe in a bigger idea.

So rather than completely throw out those ideas that have been in the country, just to try to find the balance where you can have Christian love, you can have like Christian solidarity, but you can't have this evangelical, Christian Zionist element that believes we're all pink on the inside and race.

It doesn't really matter because we're all, you know, the Galatians corporate.

But evangelicalism is only a like of Christianity, right?

It's not.

Well, yeah, we don't agree with them.

I'm not saying I would say they're Christian, but we're not defined by Christianity.

But don't gripers, you know, especially Nick Fuentes, don't they LARP on Catholicism and Christianity being the guide to their way of being?

Aren't like their political views and their religious views conjoined in that way?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think there's a contradiction, yeah.

Yeah.

So like that's why Protestantism I don't think would be a great I think the issue is that the colorblindness that you're attributing to evangelicism, I think is much more put it this way: Protestantism is much more racist than Catholicism historically.

And just a track record.

Um racialism itself

the racialist outlook was a product of Protestant, chiefly Anglo Saxon, but the Germans also, I guess, played a part here with the Romantic nationalism.

Um

But typically comes from Protestant, non-Catholic societies.

It was hundreds of years of.

Catholic societies in Europe and Catholic colonialism, which did not really give rise to a a racialistic outlook.

So I think it's just the kind of too many contradictions here, which I don't see eloquently being resolved.

No, I mean I think most Christian sects believed in race realism and kind of had a somewhat Darwinian perspective.

I don't really see it as something that conflicts the religious values.

It's just trying to get beyond the kind of modern climates where, you know, whether it's Protestants or it's liberals, kind of pantomiming some Christianity.

I gotta interject.

You said you think Christians were mostly race realists?

I think they were aware.

Maybe I shouldn't use realism as a term.

Medieval Christians were race realists.

Well, okay, obviously at the time the context for race was different, but I would say that they were, by today's standards, not egalitarian, I should say.

Excuse me.

What evidence for any kind of racial realism exists in Christianity before the period of, let's say, the 18th century?

I don't think they would have gone out of their way to try to integrate other tribes into their into their communities.

I just mean to say the identity politics of today.

But hold on, that's very bizarre because that was European history.

The only reason we have a sense of a unified European or white people is because from the period of, let's just say, the Roman occupation of Northern Europe all the way to the period of early modernism, these were very different tribes and different peoples who were amalgamated and brought into association.

And they became one people.

And even then, not necessarily because the French and the Germans were still considering themselves different, but they shared a civilization that they didn't before.

Fuck blue stacks, piece of shit.

Um

Gotta rejoin.

Sorry, are you still speaking my stupid uh can you hear me?

Nobody can hear me?

It's a Zionist.

Well, I hear me.

Yeah, this is the Zionist.

Nope.

Nobody can hear me.

I mean, we're not like pro Enlightenment or classical liberalism.

So yeah, we would actually, yeah, disagree with a lot of European people wider than us.

We would s

We basically have to go to war with our own people.

It wasn't something that was born biologically.

It was something that was born historically.

And so yes, Christians were integrating different tribes and different peoples.

And Euro European civilization is proof of that, because these were all different peoples before

You're describing like French and German and

The Gauls, the Celts, the Romans, the Latins.

So white.

But they're all white, though, Haas.

Yeah.

You're right.

They're all white because they integrated together and formed one common civilization, which is what defines what white people are.

But they didn't have that shared identity before they were brought into association.

And yes, they were very different.

I mean, the Huns, or the Hungarians, and the Bulgarians, these were literally like Turkic people from Asia who, you know, they didn't even.

I mean, Europe has the shared ancestry that it does, not because it's the same one they had since 100,000 years ago, but because history brought these people together in ways they weren't before, specifically with Christianity itself.

Yeah, no, I would agree with all with all that.

I guess where we would disagree is, you know, I think it's convenient that this is all happening in Europe and not anywhere else.

I also happen everywhere else.

The story of China is the same way.

The story of the Arabs as a monolithic group is the same way.

The story of any group any civilization you can point to in the world is the product of different tribes and different peoples amalgamating and joining together into one people.

There's no exceptions.

Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be uh so so flexible, but I understand where you're coming from on a technical level.

What exception could we think of?

I mean, what great civilization in terms of scale exists that is not born out of the mixing of different tribes and peoples?

I'm saying people take advantage of that technical truth and then use it to, you know, allow Somalians to go into Europe or Mexicans to go into America.

So that's what I'm saying.

Before we talk about modern policy issues like immigration.

The the issue is the racialist outlook.

It doesn't seem to be very compatible with Christianity historically, and it doesn't seem to be compatible with what has actually given rise to civilizations.

Well, if you have a sub if you have like a subculture that takes over the monoculture, I would say that is like subversive, for example.

That you c that's not Christian to allow like any immigrant to take over the the preexisting state.

So I you know, we would agree that yes, historically other tribes did that to create Europe and other nations, but I'm saying we don't have to do that today.

Like that's the nations are established.

We we already have racial mixing between different Americans?

Like in marriage, excuse me, in like marriage or like uh like in what context marriage.

I don't think it's a sin.

No, I would just you know, it's probably not a great idea just in the long term because it creates it creates identity issues with the children.

And so it makes them biologically it's it's better that the more mixed, uh, like the more differentiated that the couple are genealogically, the better it is for the offspring.

I mean, the opposite's a track argument.

I just, I'm not super persuaded.

I don't, I think it creates potential for problems that don't need to be there.

But I, yeah, I'm not like totally like a white nationalist saying like, oh, it's the worst thing in the world.

You know, I think people should basically do that.

Sounding awfully white nationalists.

I think you are adjacent to it, but I think most Groipers are probably much more explicitly white nationalists who believe that, and yes, white supremacists.

These are Hispanics.

I don't say that, by the way.

Yeah, but Ace, like, Ace, how do you reconcile?

How do you reconcile Catholicism with any of this?

Because if you look at the last example, how do you reconcile Catholicism with any of this?

Because if you look at the last example of Catholic-guided empire building, it was the Spanish Empire, which if you look at what the Catholic monarchs said when they were doing the conquista in America, it was by order of Catholic Queen Isabella.

It was marry Indians.

That's what she ordered the Spaniards to do.

It's literal race mixing by royal order guided by the Catholic Church because the whole idea of the Catholic Church at the time was that it was a universal church.

There was no such thing as race.

Race was a thing that came later.

It was a Protestant arrangement, but the Enlightenment and all that nonsense.

Catholicism is universal.

It's have nothing to do with race.

Sure, sure.

Yeah, I just don't think state-mandated race mixing is gonna save the West.

You know, I just again, like, the historical reference is fair, fair.

But, like, as far as like right now, my Catholic identity doesn't persuade me to, you know, have like this egalitarian fiction.

I don't think the point is that we want to be so fixated on it.

I think the contrary is.

I see the Grouper movement itself being fixated on it as the number one problem, that, you know, that there's a white genocide happening because of racial mixing, and that this is the this is why they hate the Jews, because the Jews are facilitating this.

I don't see exactly what's Catholic about that.

What's Catholic about like wanting Christian leadership?

No, because you're premising the superiority of Christianity over Judaism, for example, on the observation you're trying to make, which is what you're saying is you're claiming that Jews are promoting racial mixing and white genocide.

So you're saying the only reason we should have Christians basically is because they won't lead to white genocide, whereas Jews will.

So I don't see that as rooted in Catholic Catholicism.

I see that as rooted in white nationalism.

Sure, sure, yeah.

It's kind of borderline.

I would say that one thing we would, you know, really disagree with Judaism on is it seems to promote like a certain individualistic culture, you know, the legacy of degenerate culture in Hollywood and a lot of critical theory and things of that nature.

Very like intellectual Jewish rationalism in the West.

We would sorry for my dog.

And so I would just say, like, we don't come at it from like white supremacist hate.

It's more so like their culture is not compatible with like Western civilization.

So was Descartes a Jew?

Could the founder of rationalism?

No, no, okay.

No, I mean like Leo Strauss rationalism, not, you know James Lindsay does all this bullshit work.

What does it harden is that the the Jewish intellectuals you're cherry picking are building off of a very well established foundation from the European Enlightenment that was primarily non-Jewish.

But that's their trick.

Like they're throwing in their Judaism into that philosophy, which I would see is not compatible with the West.

It's they're coming at it from a biased position when they integrate their.

Well, listen, these Jews were living in the West for, you know, hundreds, if not thousands of years.

And of course, they're going to respond to the enlightenment in their own way, but how are they doing that in a uniquely malignant way?

I mean, what about?

Jewish modern rationalistic thinking is worse than uh the the Christian kind.

I mean, what about an atheist who was a Jew is worse than an atheist who was a Christian?

Because the first atheists were Christians, right?

Voltaire was not a Jew, the first skeptic and the first Freemasons were not Jews.

So wha why is Judaism singled out as the problem?

Because those are the people in influential positions of power.

You know, it's not to say it comes exclusively from them.

Obviously, the WASP Elite did not do us any favors.

But they're not even the majority of the people in power.

So why focus on it among many?

You know, I don't have this monolithic view where it's like all of them.

Obviously, there's other competing interests.

Well, the other interests are out outnumber them, you know?

I I would disagree on that, just in terms of like a ratio.

I would see a lot of kind of Judaic influence.

But if that's true, why do all these fake infographics always have to be spread around, which is like, you know, like, oh, all these people are Jewish.

But if they're all fake and they're all photoshopped and they're made up, why is that necessary to do that?

Well, that's caught they're coming from a 4chan, you know, not exactly the same.

If the Jewish predominance speaks for itself, why the need to lie?

No, no, no, I don't think that they're trying to lie like a lie.

I think they're kind of

I think they're like what is it exaggerating a truth claim.

But yeah, just Jews that perpetuate anti-civilization thinking.

I just think that that's like the one topic you can't really say in public and understand why.

Because everyone else can talk about the different perspectives and the philosophy behind it.

Like that is one that I think just needs to be.

Because the only thing.

Because I'll tell you why you can't talk about it over other things.

And do I think that's fair?

No.

But I'll tell you why it is.

And it's not because Jews control everything.

It's because the only thing that justifies the current liberal world order is the claim that the alternative is Nazism and the assorted associated crimes, which all of society agrees are horrific.

I mean, the notion that there's inferior races or superior races, people find that detestable.

They find it incompatible with a human outlook.

People regard...

Uh, the wanton, arbitrary kind of fascist tyranny as uh something they reject, right?

They don't want they don't want uh the destruction of the labor movement and all these kind of things that happen under the Nazis.

So, the only way the liberal order justifies itself is by saying the alternative is Nazism.

And we even see this play out with the uh neoliberals and the hyper-liberals, the uh, you know, like the Democratic Party, which says the only reason you should vote for us is because the alternative is a Nazi who's Trump.

So, they have no positive.

It's Winston Churchill himself gave expression to this this view when he said that listen you know liberal democracy or capitalism is the worst best of all worlds meaning it's not great I can't really defend it but it's just better than all the other alternatives so that's what liberalism that's what that's what it's selling you it's not telling you that it's a a great system or a great order or society, but it is trying to scare you and intimidate you into falling in line with it by saying the only alternative is the Nazis.

Now, when you go out in public and just overtly identify with the Nazis...

And with Hitler and then you and and their associated crimes, which is the Holocaust or whatever, they get to use that uh against you.

They get to say, See, there you go.

So when you engage in anti Semitism, for example, do I think anti-Semitism is worse than racism of any kind?

Absolutely not.

There's nothing about it that's worse.

But the reason it's treated as worse is because it's being directly associated with Nazism.

And it's being directly associated

with an illiberal outlook.

And I don't partake in any anti-Semitism and I get the same treatment.

I get the same treatment.

Sneeko just got unbanned from Twitch.

I'm still banned on Twitch.

I'm treated as a dangerous person who is, uh.

You know, needs to be demonized and vilified.

But I don't engage in any anti-Semitism.

Why?

Because I challenge the liberal order.

So that's why it's

More taboo, I guess.

It's because you're just basically feeding into the very lies that they are telling about opponents of the liberal order.

And it's like you are the smoking gun example of what they need to persecute all dissidents.

I get persecuted because they claim I'm a Nazi, which is a lie.

But when someone comes out and says, actually, yes, I am a Nazi who hates Jews, it's giving them more ammunition they need to convince Psyopt populations to crack down on all illiberal dissidents.

Yeah, no, no, no.

I agree.

You know, there was a controversy with David Duke pulling up to the event, and some might say, well, gee whiz, I mean, we're already being called all these names.

Why not just let him into the lounge we went to afterwards?

And he was kicked out.

He was removed from the venue because, whereas some people might say there's really no meaningful distinction between the two white nationalist groups, this is not really something that we're our legacy.

We don't want overt Nazism and skinhead type stuff in the movement.

Even if there's compatibility, just because these are like old stock American types.

But yeah, I agree that just straight up LARPing as with Stahlhelms, yeah, that's not going to help anybody.

We would disavow that stuff.

We call them wignats.

So yeah, I agree that what you're doing is also illiberal.

And so you would share that persecution with us.

Anyway, if there's any other speakers, and then this will be the last one before we wrap it up.

There's another griper in here.

Uh, Dean?

Well, thank you, Haas, by the way.

Thank you for speaking up.

I appreciate you, man.

And Nikki, love you, man.

Yeah, happy to have you here.

Thanks.

Would Jean like to speak?

Hey guys, how's it going?

Is that it?

I mean I don't know.

Did you did you have a question or something or or did you have a question?

I have no questions at all.

Okay.

You have a welcome to the white race in your

And your bio?

Yeah.

And it's made in May of 2024, which means he's probably been banned.

There is such a thing as a white race, so I mean.

So what is the white race, if I you don't mind me asking?

Uh it would be people who uh descend from a common ancestor known as Homo uh not Homo erectus, uh Cro-Magnum man.

So uh Cro-Magnum man is the uh common ancestor of all Europeans.

You can uh you know look this up genolically.

What what constitutes Cro-Magnon as a separate species rather than uh I mean, why is that a separate put it this way, if you if you went on if you went to the uh to a fossil record, let's say like thousands of years uh sorry, not thousands, hundreds of thousands of years from now, and you just went to Greece and there's obviously things maybe skeletally that distinguish them, I don't know, that you could really nitpick on.

What justifies categorizing that as a different species of humanity?

Rather than just a kind of uh

Because by the way the the the descendants of Cro-Magnon are by no means exclusively

Europeans

Well, yeah, I mean, and the Cro-Magnons themselves are descendants from West Asia.

Yeah, yeah, obviously there's also, you know, Persians and stuff like that that belong into that bone group.

But you're just...

The problem is you're taking one archaeological bone group, and then you're saying this is a distinct race.

And what justifies that?

And where do you stop upon that?

Is that against the law?

Last time I checked it, it isn't.

But where do you stop upon the lineage, Genie?

How far back do you go?

10,000, 30,000, 50,000, 100,000?

It's just basically, you can look at someone's bones, right?

And you can tell if they're Caucasian or not, right?

Yeah, but you could also tell if they're part of some Greek island.

You can really be as specific as you want.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that that's not true, too.

But I'm just saying I can look at you and tell if we have a common ancestor, right?

I can look at the guy below who was speaking, Sharif.

I could look at him.

We all have common ancestors.

Literally, we all do.

This is just nonsense.

Yeah, down the line, yeah, we're all ancestered from a single-celled organism, sure.

But I'm talking about how far back do we go?

Why do you decide to stop at 56,000 years ago?

Why don't you stop at 86,000 years ago or 36,000 years ago?

Why this specific stopping point of the Cro-Magnon?

Because I'm allowed to stop whenever I want.

So we're asking you why, though.

What's your reasoning?

Well, because that's a common ancestor that we know and we have recorded.

But we have recorded and we know about a lot of other common ancestors as well.

Okay, so that's the closest one to us currently, right?

That's not backwards.

That's not true at all.

That's really not true.

That is true.

That is true.

It goes homo, it goes homo, like for blacks, right?

It goes homo erectus.

That's not, no, you're wrong.

Listen, Cro-Magnon is just a.

All right.

You can disagree and say that there was another common ancestor more closely related.

There was, though.

But based on my observations, right?

Well, okay.

Have you seen them?

Based on my observations, that is not the case.

So, have you observed Cro-Magnon yourself or what?

I mean, what are you talking about?

What do you mean?

I mean, how could you have what a ridiculous thing to say?

You've observed that Cro-Magnon is the only one.

I have observed that there's bone structures, right, that come from a common ancestor.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't know why you're getting so upset.

I don't think I'm getting upset, but I just...

What have you observed?

I really are.

Like, listen, bro, take a deep breath.

It's not that big of a deal.

He's not upset, so stop doing the whole griper thing where you pretend, but he was on.

No, I'm not.

I'm just saying, like, he's getting frustrated.

He's like, but what?

What have you observed?

Just take a deep breath to calm down.

Okay, now go ahead, say your question.

Yeah, what have you observed?

Yeah, I think I made that clear.

I've observed that there is a common ancestry, okay, among the European peoples.

Okay?

Is there a common ancestry among all of humanity or or no?

I mean, yeah, if there's a common ha ancestry for all, you know, quote-unquote humans, yes.

But that doesn't mean that there isn't different races, right?

Like, so what makes them different?

I just told you, it's the bones, right?

Okay, so.

Do you think that Germans and English have the same bones?

Let me finish.

Why are you getting angry?

Why are you getting so angry?

Just take a deep breath and calm down.

I'm not getting angry.

You're getting really upset about this.

Yeah, I can hear you getting fussy.

Your bone structure is really elevating your blood pressure right now.

I'm just trying to have a conversation with you.

Maybe take a take a little sip of something, take it easy.

All right, well whenever you guys are ready to have an adult conversation, I'll be here.

So we're just wondering if you think that English and French people have the same exact bone structure.

Listen, man, I'm a regular guy, okay?

You don't have to be mean to me.

He's asking you a question.

Can you answer it, please?

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Okay, I'm a regular guy.

You don't have to be mean to me, okay?

You don't have to thumbs down me.

You don't have to laugh at me.

Okay, I'm a human being just like you.

I mean, this is hilarious.

I'm entitled to have opinions, okay?

You may disagree with them, okay?

But you do not have to take this condescending, patronizing tone.

But when I hear like a drunk person saying illiterate shit, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Just talk to me like a normal person, bro.

I'm a human being just like you, okay?

So what was your question?

Go ahead.

All right, Rev, get him out of here.

We're done with this.

This guy's not.

So you don't want to have a conversation in good faith?

Fair enough.

No, you just really removed him.

Just get him out of here.

Get him out of here.

We removed him.

Okay.

Speak to Charmo?

No, I don't want to talk to Charm.

I think uh that's it.

Think that's a wrap.

I just had one point in regards to the guy who was talking about Catholicism.

So basically, like he's totally wrong on that.

Like, not only during the Middle Ages did you see like in the 700s, you still had like Arabic popes who were from Arabic regions.

Like, just and St.

Louis, the king of France, he settled Arab converts in Paris.

And then in the 1950s, you had the church excommunicating white segregationists who refused to desegregate Catholic schools and such.

So he's just totally wrong that Catholicism has a race realist outlook.

That's all I want to say.

I don't disagree.

I think historically, I mean, you're right.

A lot of the Arab Peninsula was Christian.

That's why they were able so easily able to convert to Islam because Islam is really just a continuation of Christian with some polished rules.

But I think colonialism used Catholicism and Christianity as a way to enforce race realism.

Oh, no, I disconnected.

Damn.

Hate when that happens.

Anyway, guys, uh

Anyway, um, I'm super hungry.

Like, really hungry.

Am I a scumbag for just taking Smudly's money and running?

Don't I need a stream for like three more hours or something?

I don't really have much more to say, though.

I'm going to be honest.

I'm just hungry.

I'll just be staring at the camera talking about how hungry I am.

Uh

Anyway, shout out everybody for supporting the stream.

And I'll next time.

Thursday, I'm gonna have some content lined up, I promise.

This was just kinda winging it.

Anyway.

I don't know what I'm gonna eat, but it's gonna be something.

And uh

Peanut butter.

That's so, you can't go wrong.

Just bread, peanut butter.

Can't go wrong with that.

No longer the carnivore die.

All right, fine, fine.

We're throwing that away.

And someone's got to shame me.

Go ahead, fat shame me.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Ruin my life.

Um

Anyway guys, I'll see you Thursday.

It was a great stream.

Bye-bye.