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Stop, make you some trying.
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Looking at you in the grill, it might be nice to cut.
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Yeah, you right. I know your style pussy, because I'm fucking it.
Since we're on here, you hold my dick by he's sucking it.
Motherfucker, don't you know you never come near me?
Shuck your head up your ass.
Have you seen shit?
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Empty clips and shells are what I leave behind.
And if they get me with the driver, hit me when it be denied.
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For real.
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You bitch ass nigger
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motherfucker
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Smudley, brother.
Thank you so much for the hundred.
I appreciate it, man.
Thank you so much.
Strails Stanley Crassass how you guys doing smudley what's up brother i appreciate you a lot
thank you man i meet it um so guys i uh have an important stream lined up for you today. We have a lot of important things to talk about. Uh, theory stuff to talk about if you could believe it. That's something I'm doing still.
Anyway, guys, I haven't slept in three days, so bear with me.
You're going to have to bear with me.
Red Saffron.
What's up, brother? Appreciate you.
Yeah, I haven't slept in like three days, so be considerate. Be considerate of that fact.
But, um,
first of all,
I want to talk about ACP right now.
Speak of the devil, actually.
Um, okay.
So a lot of people are confused about what's going on with the American Communist Party.
They're seeing on our social media media everyone's picking up trash across north america minus mexico and it's like it's like the news all every chapter is doing it and people
are confused about what this means or what the purpose of this is or if this is what our party is in general now and this is all it's going to be so i know i've i've gone over this a few times but i want to offer more clarity i want to talk about this initiative a little more.
And I want to talk about
how it's fulfilling something
that we baked into the technology
of it from the beginning.
Red Ambiance. What's going on, brother? With the 10.
Wow.
Um, with the 10. Wow. I am super
congested. I haven't slept.
I'm just asking for you guys
just patience. That's it. We're going to get through this.
We're going to get through the stream. You just got a this.
We're going to get through the stream.
You just got to give me some patience.
Anyway, guys,
so what we're seeing right now is the equivalent in real life at the party wide level of a meme going of taking off it's a meme people think memes i went into this lecture one stream ago or two streams ago people think memes are just jokes and they're not and then you know richard
dawkins i hate that guy but his idea of a meme is really stupid. But once you just take the broad concept of this kind of like carrier of information that can just go viral and be communicated in ways that are much more proximate and direct than concepts,
then, you know, it's kind of a useful word to describe what we're talking about here.
And it's almost like, it's like, these are, what are those neurons?
They're like mirror, mirror neurons or whatever it's called.
I don't know what, I don't know what the hell that is.
Anyway, I've just, just broadly referring to something that vaguely comes to mind when describing
certain types of
neurological models
but
I must sound really crazy right now
it's literally because I haven't slept in three days
anyway
that's what the party is um to sound really crazy right now. It's literally because I haven't slept in three days. Anyway,
that's what the party is. It's basically a kind of, what are those things called the mirror?
What are they called? The mirror, there's something in the brain. I don't know something in the brain I don't know what's called
um I'm literally about to pass out.
Holy shit.
Mirror neurons.
That's what they're actually called.
All right.
Mirror neurons.
Yeah, that's what they're called.
Okay, mirror neurons. It's kind's what they're called. Okay, mirror neurons.
It's kind of like something like this is going on.
And we designed it to be this way.
And this is just a kind of test run of how this is going to work.
So why everyone is picking up garbage is not because we are a party primarily focused on
cleaning up garbage from the ground.
It's a gesture of goodwill that we wanted chapters to do.
We didn't even instruct them specifically. That's the beautiful thing do we didn't even instruct them specific that's the
beautiful thing we didn't actually instruct them to pick up garbage we just said do something good
of community service we said do something.
Give me one second.
Just give me one damn second.
All right.
Give me one second. Thank you. sorry guys it's a little difficult for me to speak because my sinuses are clogged and yeah
it's a byproduct of not sleeping so that's not fun anyway guys i want to uh continue talking what i was talking about in case you're curious we aren't actually telling chapters to pick up garbage from the
ground what's happened is that we broadly told them
that in the beginning stages, as you're learning how to organize and you're learning how to coordinate
and act in a collective capacity, come to collective agreements and implement those agreements in some
kind of practical way.
The criterion by whose, sorry, the criterion by which to measure is not, you know, established by, um,
the agreement itself,
but by the actual, like, sorry, I don't know what
this is so fucking hard to say.
Again, I haven't slept in three days.
It's really bad.
Do something in real life where the results aren't just going to be determined by like an ideology.
So yes, it could be something as simple as like cleaning up garbage from your local community.
Whether that happens or not is something you actually have to do and prove through work. So that's what we were looking for, right? Prove your competency as an organization. Prove your competency as a chapter and the beautiful thing about acp and how it's already working is that one person or one chapter just shows us an example that
this can be done it raises the threshold of possibility.
And it inspires other people to do the same, like a mirror neuron network.
It inspires them to do the same thing.
So this is how we designed the organization.
And that was the intention from the very beginning.
One second. You know, all right now is the intention from the very beginning it's what we wanted to do
and uh it's working as intended so it this is what's so beautiful about ac b it seems like we're
just ordering all these chapters to do everything
because they're just carrying it out with such repetition and such efficiency.
And it's like, it's like a huge thing.
But it's like it's really actually decentralized.
We broadly told them to do community service, and then they started seeing the success
of the actions of one chapter or two chapters, and it inspired them, and it gave them the idea
to do something. So this is like not even the beta stage of where we're at as far as, you know,
how this party is going to work in the long term. But it's showcasing broadly that the idea
worked behind the party. The technology technology it is a type of social technology
and it's working um now with that being said there's another element which is part of how this works which
regular and active communication from leadership leadership which ensures that we don't
don't create idols and fetishes of specific forms of activity.
Don't exclusively just do something because others have done it and it works.
We want to heavily reward initiative.
We want to reward initiative. We want to reward initiative.
We want to reward people actually
doing things that no one has done,
but which, you know,
break the glass seal.
That's not the right word.
Break or further the threshold
of possibilities.
And I want to encourage chapters, and I'm saying this now, I want to encourage you to
experiment in the types of community service you do as you introduce yourselves.
You don't just have to clean garbage you can do other things as
well get creative and i want to strongly uh stress that you know and emphasize that because when it
comes to organ see i want you guys to think about it like this, all right?
99% of these, I don't know what you call them, leftist organizations,
create a fetish out of one particular form of activity that proved it could work one
time. And so they create an entire organizational model off of that. So the PSL, for example,
is a protesting organization. All it really does is go to demonstrations and it's mastered the art of
protesting and that's its specialty. That's its role in the division of labor of activism. That's what
it focuses on. Right. why because praxis is something
that is more impactful than ideas are once you can see that something you have done before works
it's really hard to not get attached to it and just keep repeating it over and over again
because risking doing something new just is a little too unpredictable. But the way we design this
organization is so that we don't become like PSL. We don't become like these other organizations
that get stuck and fetishize one. I mean, it doesn't even just have to be protesting. There's other organizations where their primary form of activity is just like heckling, you know, heckling, disrupting, blocking traffic.
It doesn't matter, you know.
These are all forms of idolatry, you know, activist idolatry, where they're just fetishizing one type of activity.
And they're creating an organization based on one type of activity only
and we designed ACP to be different from that so we don't want you to get too comfortable picking up garbage that's what we're trying to say
this is one of our meme campaigns in real life.
It's not a meme in the sense that it's a joke, but it's in the sense of like the more sophisticated, I guess, biological metaphor.
Like this is a way to actually spread ideas but not ideas in the plato
sense of concepts but ideas in the kind of sense of something that could just immediately inspire you.
So this is something I'd like to emphasize.
You know?
All it takes is one chapter to lead by example and everyone else is going to try it too and it's good to repeat and build on what others have done before that's a great thing
but we want you to also be experimental we want you to also be experimental.
We want you to also be creative.
We encourage that.
We also encourage you to be smart.
We encourage you not to offend people, offend their sensibilities and try to shock them.
Your chapter is selling Trotskyist newspapers.
Um, Kyle, look into that.
If that, if there's even a grain of truth, there's even a grain of truth,
there's even a grain of truth,
even a grain of truth,
you are getting all of you getting disaligned and expelled.
Investigation began.
Yeah, just kidding. I don't know. It's probably not true. Anyway, um,
no,
we want,
I just want to give you this update.
It's only been a few weeks.
And I already,
you know what I love,
though?
That's like,
I love seeing people already make memes
off of these volunteer initiatives to clean up waste and garbage.
It's so cool. I mean, this is, this is why we created ACP.
You know, we have these meme campaigns. Like, for example, let's just, let's just, uh, give some brief attention to these guys.
The Grypers and the Gryper War. I mean, those people are only going to ever be confined to internet memes, and that's it.
We didn't want to be like that.
Our memes are literally going to be based off of the reality we participate in created.
We're not just commentators. We're not just commentators.
We're not just here
commentating on Trump's campaign
and being upset of...
No, no, no, we're here to actually be involved
in the reality we're reacting to.
If you want to, you know,
it's like, I don't have a single smart enemy because if I did, instead of gibbering and talking about how we're all fascists and we're all Nazis and yada, yada, yada, they should probably say something something like haz ran out of content for his streams
so he decided to start an organization to create the very content that he's able to react to
if you're a cynical person who thinks i'm just some kind of scumbag and that all this is bad faith,
that would be much more on the mark.
Because there is a sense in which
when I thought of ACP,
I started thinking about how
bored I was of streaming,
how I didn't really feel like I wanted to be a live streamer because I just kind of felt like, I mean, like, I don't want to just sit here and react to reality all the time and bitch and whine about it. If I'm calling myself a communist, you can't be a communist live streamer. You can't just be like Hassan
Piker. You can't just sit on a chair and have the contents of your communism be the way in which you
react to things. You actually have to be involved in the things you're reacting to, you know?
And it's like, you want to know what's sad is like, I did this as a guy with 500 viewers.
You know, Jackson did this as well on Twitter, whatever.
But even Jackson usually gets a few thousand, you know.
None of us are close to Hassan Piker's live stream viewership.
Just imagine if Asan Piker had the courage to do or courage, the creativity, the imagination to do what we did.
Imagine if Hassan was actually a communist who actually cared about any of this and wasn't just trying to make money.
If we, look, if we could do this without any help, and it's us imagine what hasan could have done if he wasn't just such a coward
you know just think about that um midwestern marks myself i'm talking about just influencers not the amount
of work we put in obviously kyle's put in the most work but i'm talking about in terms of like how much we've used our platforms, you know, for a real life cause.
I mean, Hassan will literally sit on his chair and be like, oh, I'm so blackbilled.
It's like, but you can literally affect the reality you're reacting
to. You could literally affect
it. I mean, if I could
affect it, he
obviously could. He has
40
times the viewership that I do
usually.
So, you know, this is what I'm trying to say, though, is that
there's a cybernetic loop that I already see beginning where the community is starting to make memes off of what ACP is doing.
And I find it really cool. I find it super cool. And that's exactly what we intended, you know.
And I'm not talking about memes that mock us. I'm talking about like cool. I mean, it's, it's already started, this was so
beautiful about it. Like, it's already started making me think about, you know, different ways of what it
means to be a communist. Like, you know, I've started thinking about environmentalism more and it wasn't
intended you know i was thinking about you know what this is the tragedy of the comments you know
this is a place where communists could really shine and show that they recognize this
reality that everyone has neglected no not green socialism because by environmentalism
i'm not even talking about i'm not talking about conservationism.
Environmentalism just means being responsible for the environment you live in and its conditions.
Simple as that.
You know, and I think it's so cool how as much as we're called reactionaries and all this
stuff
Praxis itself has revealed
just how
and I'm pretty proud of this
close in proximity,
our understanding of what communism is
is related to ecology, you know,
and ecologism.
And again, ecology doesn't mean
green conservationism.
Ecology is about the feedback loops between your, it's a type of cybernetics.
You know, ecology is like, I have to confess, let me lay my cards on the table.
You know, it's really Fred Jameson's Universal Army,
where he's talking about the future model of socialism
will be like a volunteer army that does, like, disaster relief
and like organizes whole societies in the face of ecological disasters
providing disaster relief you know leading the way it's like you think about death stranding
you know you think about that game video game
death stranding you know you think about jameson's american utopia
um
you think about brucees' book, Communist PostScript, which you could charitably interpret as, you know, basically like a book about online communism, you know? Not just communism is language, but language is mediated through social
media. And it's like a lot of things are coming together. You know, a lot of things are coming
together in ways we didn't even directly plan for. That's, that was the whole point, you know. And it's super cool. It's super cool. And, you know, a lot of people are saying, is it's just charity? It's not just charity. It's not just charity. It's, it's a new type of organization, you know, and we're not going anywhere and it's only going to expand from here.
It's a new type of organization that is based on taking the initiative to recognize these neglected common realities where no one else will. It's about being soldiers
fighting a war, you know, but the war we're fighting is not necessarily against other human beings.
You know, the war that we're fighting is for our commons, for our common future, you know, for our common environments, for our common, you know, our common dwelling places, you know, things like that.
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's it's it's it's really about you know i want
to envision a future where you know we will be the soldiers that provide relief that provide
leadership that provide organization you know in the midst of
environmental disasters in the midst of the breakdown of society key word breakdown of society
key phrase i mean breakdown of society uh you phrase, I mean, breakdown of society.
You know, I'll fully tell you, I do think a civil war is coming.
And if it doesn't come, that would be beautiful.
But I think one is coming.
And I think, you know know our role is going to be
you know
restoring sanity
admits like nihilism and chaos
and bloodbats and shit we would
have to be the ones that
you know create the structure of a new society you know basically um Basically.
But, you know, I also love it because a big problem of modern societies is, ironically, as much as people are overworked, there's also a problem of free time and what people are doing in their spare time.
And, you know, people are grinding, playing video games. You know, they're just sitting and doing nothing they're doing drugs they're binge watching netflix and sometimes i wonder i'm like should i feel
bad about everyone having to spend so much time doing things like this across the country.
I mean, they don't have to.
But, like, should I feel bad that instead of having fun that this is what they're doing?
And then I thought to myself, I'm like, no, because you know what?
I'm pretty sure you guys are kind of having fun.
I'm pretty sure you guys are, you know what i'm pretty sure you guys are kind of having fun i'm pretty sure you guys are you know in some sense finding this to be a healthy way of spending your time you know you're
it's a type of camaraderie it's a type of itaderie. It's a type of...
It's doing good for your community in your free time with, you know, with like-minded people.
Juzon, what's going on?
And I think it's a good experience.
You know, there is something about that militant, military camaraderie that is missing in today's world or today's America, you know.
And... and you know I think it's good.
Obviously, no one's quitting their jobs and throwing their whole future away to risk everything at once.
We definitely are not asking you to do that.
But to spend your free time doing things like this is a good thing, you know?
It's a good thing. It is a good thing you know it's a good thing it's a healthy thing so i'm very proud of i don't want to we don't want to congratulate ourselves too early in the game but I'm proud of uh... and more is coming you know we have a few more announcements of
chapters we're going to introduce
and then from their chapters are going to start posting themselves
some already have
and then they'll take it from there
you know
so that's a very nice thing
Arkansas
with the 20
Thank you so much brother wow to forgive me. I'm really tired and my back hurts because I'm an idiot who goes to the gym even when I haven't slept.
I'll take an energy drink and it'll keep me sustained.
And then I break my back, my neck.
It's, uh...
Yeah, I probably should be lying down right now.
But that's all right.
Um, that's all right. That's all right.
Ah yeah, if you guys don't know, don't fly out to this.
Don't go through a lot of trouble because you're going to need to be in Chicago the uh the last weekend of september or the weekend before then we haven't
decided exactly we'll tell you within five days for the party conference but if you happen to live
in chicago already you happen to live within a few hours of chicago let's say
i'm going to be in chicago the 31st of this month at the revolution reports event
with slava and um don quarter if I'm saying his last name right, and I'm going to be speaking at that event as well.
Also, the plan right now, we're waiting for a confirmation but the 23rd or 24th of this month so next week
I'm going to be debating Andrew on in Miami I believe on fresh and fit so that's coming next week so So, and he's a, it's kind of like a traditionalist Christian.
I think that's how we would identify.
We're going to be debating the root cause of society's problems.
Obviously, I'm the Marxist, and he, I think, will come at it from a more idealistic perspective.
So that's where I'm going to be next week. Anyway, guys, we have other things to talk about.
We have other things to talk about
I'm gonna be totally honest though
I am really really like
it's really tough for me to...
I'm gonna try to see if I could like...
User Tom, thank you so much.
Alright guys, if I talk like this, would this be like super weird? Because like this is the only way I could talk without like it actually being exhausting and hurting a lot. But it's also kind of cringe, isn't it? Yeah. No, I mean, I could continue streaming if I like talk like this, you know? I just can't talk like how I normally do. I'm not going to lie. It's just like right now, it sounds like RFK Jr. and I understand it. But I don't mean to mock him. I literally don't. I literally need to talk like this right now.
Like, I straight up cannot talk normally without it really, you know, being exhausting and hurting.
I haven't slept in like three days, you know.
Are y'all cool with me talking like this?
Can I say something?
It's just like compromise.
Maybe like, uh,
do it halfway, you know?
Anyway, guys, um,
look,
you know what I don't like seeing on twitter i make streams talking about shit like really in depth
and then does no one have the courage to actually like draw from my arguments and use them and when you get into
twitter spats why why are you why are you guys like i see you in twitter spats and you're
not even using the arguments i'm giving you i don't understand that I don't understand that.
I don't understand that.
It makes me feel like all these lectures I give are in vain somehow.
You know, like they're pointless.
You need to have the fucking courage to draw conclusions from what I say.
You need to have the courage to actually stand on it.
I'm not saying it for no reason.
And if you don't understand it, just tell me and I'll help you clarify it.
I'm not here to tell you guys things for no reason that you're not going to be able to understand, all right?
You know, for example, and this is kind of a comfortable position.
I could probably speak like this.
Yo, John Jackman, what's going on, brother? I can't, I can salute speak like this. Yo, John Jackman, what's going on, brother?
I can't salute.
I can salute you this.
Anyway,
super disappointing.
You know?
Like, yeah. You know, no, I wanted to say something.
You know, today I wanted to talk about the normal thing, the topic of like J.D. Vance being
weird and how to be normal and why we need the Higalian eagles to be normal.
Something like that.
But I'm going to talk about other stuff, and then if I have the energy, we'll get into that big time.
So... time. So, I want to get a pulse on my own community on this front, okay.
I'm writing a book on political philosophy right now.
Besides the manifesto, that's
my main focus.
Carlos is launching
a journal for the party.
So, I want to get a
pulse on what you guys think.
Every three weeks, I see the barista shit coming up from our ops.
Every three weeks I see them make a post.
I can't believe how much they hate baristas.
We did nothing to provoke it.
We literally said nothing. And they'll
just like make a post on this, making themselves upset about it and getting enraged by themselves.
And we've short-circuited them. We've left it behind. We've short-circuited them and they're
still angry about it they're still
punching themselves in the face about it and we've literally aren't even saying anything it's not
like we're saying anything to like bring this topic back like why do they why are they so addicted
to this discourse we are i over it. I'm confident
in our position being correct. They're clearly
not because they keep bringing this fucking
discourse back. Get over
it. If you want to actually engage with
what I've said, then engage
with what I've said. Engage with my argument
that they're not producing capital. Engage with my argument that they're not producing capital.
Engage with my argument that their outstanding liabilities are far more even than the revenue
that these companies are raking in. You know, like, engage with the fucking argument that even if
you're producing profit, you're not producing necessarily capital that allows you to expand
when you factor in considerations like debt and speculation, right?
Just engage with what I've said, engage with where I'm coming from.
Why are they, I keep seeing these stupid
they keep repeating the stupid arguments
about use value
and how it's not about use value
it's about the commodity form
you're arguing with a straw man
and then I see retarded gorillas
somehow get sucked into this stupid paradigm.
They're the ones imposing, not understanding themselves, even themselves not understanding the point.
It's like, no, okay, to be clear, I don't know, I keep repeating myself a million times about this.
We don't consider it productive labor in the Marxist sense of the word
for a million different reasons, actually, not one even, not even one superficial reason, million different reasons about the nature of how capitalism has changed in general, where wage labor, and especially in the service industry is just the epitome of this, honestly, where that type of
work or those types of jobs
and those types of wages and types of
employment no longer
could meaningfully correspond relationally
to a proletarian position.
And I could get into depth explaining that, and I probably will spend like five minutes on it in this stream.
But to be clear, our position is not that we regard them as unproductive laborers because we don't like Starbucks coffee and we don't like
Starbucks coffee and we don't
like and we don't prefer it, you know,
or because they have blue hair
or something stupid
like that. That's not why.
Okay? It's so, so
all this talk about, oh, it's because of use value. That's not the point. Aside from the obvious fact that, yes, the expansion of capital, even if the commodity form is blind to this fact, which it is. An actual reality, and Marx was very, very clear on this,
the expansion of capital corresponds to an actual material expansion of the total physical
material wealth of society
because that's what labor does. It transforms
labor, transforms nature to
increase total
material wealth. So even if the commodity
form is blind to this
physical reality, let's
say, that doesn't mean it's not embedded within it. I've said that a million times. All right? The second thing is that you cannot
derive the conclusion
that surplus value is being produced
just because
profits are being made
and employees are involved.
That's not just a peculiarity
of today's capitalist mode of production. It's not just a peculiarity of today's capitalist
mode of production. It's literally in
Capital Volume 2 where Marx
talks about commercial workers
and he specifies that they do not
produce any surplus value, but they are just
a cost of production and that's all they could be counted
for. And they don't
valorize a capital they don't produce any surplus value or affect the surplus value and he literally
names them commercial workers do you know what a commercial worker is look up what a commercial
worker is because he talks about it in volume two,
all right?
For fuck's sake.
And then in volume three, he makes it clear that surplus value and profit locally produced
could not possibly be one for one the same thing.
You know, you could produce profit without producing surplus value.
It's Marxism 101.
It's also Marxism 101 that you could produce profit without producing capital.
Because the question is not, where does the profit come from that was never the main question as far as Marxist theory of value is concerned
i'll give you a hint of what the main question was i'll give you a hint. Guys, what do you think?
What do you think? It's related to the title.
It's related to the title.
It's about where does the capital come from?
Where does the, not only the profit
but the profit which enables
the expansion of capital come
from the profit which can
act as capital
it's not just profit
it's profit incorporated
within capital.
Profit that participates in capital.
Profit that is capital.
Okay?
It's about the profit that is capital.
It's not about the profit.
Anyone can make profit.
Okay, you can make profit and spend it on
toilet paper. That doesn't say anything about whether the profit you're making is capital.
Okay. So because Starbucks makes profit doesn't say anything about surplus value.
It doesn't tell us anything about surplus value.
One, it also doesn't tell us anything about where the capital is coming from.
Because in case you didn't know this, the capital at the disposal of Starbucks, the capital
necessary for Starbucks to expand,
doesn't come from their profits at the level of sales
or at the level of revenue.
That is mainly, again,
a signal for speculators to invest more.
In other words, to promise that eventually it's going to produce capital.
But it doesn't actually do this.
And that is a fundamental feature for today's economy.
Not just in Starbucks, and almost all companies.
So we're looking in the wrong places.
I'm not saying it's self-evident who is a productive and unproductive worker.
I'm not even necessarily saying this is a meaningful, a politically meaningful distinction necessarily.
But I am saying people are thinking about who the proletariat and what the proletariat is in the wrong way.
They're being too direct in the sense that they're trying to literally like unionize
these fundamentally different types of employment and work,
and which is fine. I'm not even against that. You can go and do that. I'm not going to stand in your way.
But please don't tell me this is the equivalent to a, this is a trade union consciousness.
When we're talking about baristas or when we're talking about
baristas or when we're talking about
you know like bullshit jobs don't tell me
that this is trade union consciousness because it's not
not because those people aren't working class people
I would say most of the people
in the service industry are working class, but their working class status isn't primarily defined at the level of the shop floor. It's defined by the communities they live in. It's defined by the quality of public services they have access to. It's defined by the quality of the environments they live in. It's defined by, you know, the quality of the infrastructure they require. It's defined by the extent to which they can afford groceries, you know, and transportation and rent and
things like that. And the fact that they have to go work these bullshit jobs day and in and
day out just to make ends meet. To me, that's what working class is. Isolating that at the
shop floor level and saying that is primarily the
site of, you know, proletarian subjectivity, I disagree. Now, if you could incorporate that within
something bigger, totally, I have nothing against it.
Can I go on record saying this? I probably, I'm just kind of like going off of a hunch with no data at my disposal. I have no problem saying that most baristas are probably working class.
People are just misunderstanding what I'm saying.
I'm not saying they're not working class.
I'm just saying that telling me and telling the ACP, for example, that we need to go, like, the primary way in which that
working class consciousness or that working class status is going to be interpolated is by unionizing
their workplaces, well, if that works, all power to you,
but I'm extremely skeptical of whether that's going to work, and therefore I don't think
it's a good use of my time or my community's time. If it works for you, though, by all means, go and do it.
I don't care.
Like, literally just go do it then.
Why are you yelling and getting angry at us?
Because your shit is not working.
That's why.
Like, I, see, for example we want to focus on debt relief we want to focus on building a political movement that's
community oriented we want a relationship to unions obviously we want to be part of the labor movement and the union movement, but, and we think that's important, but here's the tricky thing. There's always been a problem in the history of the layer movement called
craft unionism, where there's a particular type of union activity that excludes, that is
by, is definitionally excluded from general labor, from the, from the movement of labor in general. So, for example, we support the Amazon
labor union and what Chris Smalls did. Why is that? Because the Amazon labor union had a universal
significance for all workers and all of
society. It had that universal
significance because it epitomized
a universal circumstance.
Right? Because Amazon
is just one of those jobs that anyone is going to go get, you know, when they just have nothing to sell but their labor, for example, right?
But the more small potato stuff i'm not even necessarily saying i'm against it
i'm just saying i don't think that's the site of universal labor struggles like Amazon, you know?
And you know what?
Use value, of course, factors into this
because it's literally a relevant factor within society itself
whether you like it or not we don't live in a society based purely on profit anymore not even
at the level of like this state and the ruling institutions of society.
Basic considerations of use value, of course, have to factor in.
And you know how I know that every single person who disagrees with me is going to concede this point to me?
Because go fucking unionize Raytheon employees if you disagree.
Go unionize them then.
If you think use value has no significance at all, like none at all, for the labor movement, then go unionize, you know, the people that
make drones and bombs and that make weapons that are killing children in Gaza.
After all, it doesn't matter because they're all productive laborers anyway, because they're
producing a profit, right?
Now, am I saying
Starbucks baristas are on the same level as that,
like morally speaking? No,
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it's a clear
and obvious example to you
of why that would be relevant.
Now, as far as society is concerned, we can all
agree that warehouse work, like the type that Amazon workers are doing, is necessary for society,
like it is. It's necessary labor to reproduce society but
you know bullshit jobs are bullshit jobs and i think that institutionalizing those jobs is the
wrong direction is if you're adopting the long-term
view of a communist now let's say you know you're a barista and you just want to make a better
living for yourself and so you're going to unionize.
Literally more power to you.
Like, I'm not going to get in your way.
Good luck, too.
I don't wish you any ill will or nothing.
Like, literally good luck.
But communists have to take a long-term view of things, you know, however ruthless or cruel that is or that it seems. And it's not just the use value aspect that we're focusing on here,
okay? It's, you know, like the broader societal implications or whatever. That's not only it. It's also the strategy of it, right? What parts of, let's presume that everyone is a worker, like everyone. Let's just like not even argue about it right now, right?
Clearly there are some sectors of the working class that are more strategically important
as far as utilizing the leverage that labor has, that are capable of shutting down society,
not shutting down one company just so, like,
I don't know, like Tim Hortons can come
and take over, a Big Bee coffee can come
take over, and it's dead.
You know,
it's also the strategic aspect of it,
all right? It's the leverage.
Like, you know, like Amazon laborers unionize is a huge deal.
Why?
Because it's not like someone else can come and just like replace Amazon.
It's not just a brand.
It's like a fundamental use value of society that we've all agreed is you want to know how i know
we've all agreed on it because the government fucking subsidizes them now if the government is
subsidizing an industry a lot of the times that's because they're at least keeping up the veneer
and the pretence that at a political level, we've all agreed as a society, this is a necessary use value. Right? Yeah, like for example, so it does have some relevance, but the strategy is also important because people who think use value is irrelevant to the capitalism we live in today.
I mean, look, in the 19th century, there was no social state to any capacity.
You know, there was no new deal.
There was no welfare state.
There was no, you know, there was no, there wasn't even imperialism yet, right?
As Lenin described it.
The laissez-faire, whatever, capitalism, Lenin was writing before Napoleon the 3rd or whatever.
So, it made sense that, you know, wherever workers were unionizing, that epitomized like the general condition of a sphere or a segment of society, which was not being recognized in any way, you know, which was just being treated as a commodity, the laborers, their labor was just being treated as a commodity the laborers their labor was just being treated as a commodity
with no other considerations and that's it and there was no and society had no consensus about
you know you know what it what it should be economically right it was just a kind of whatever every man for
himself laissez-faire capitalism supposedly right that's the assumption so it's 150 years later
we're living in a very different society, all right?
I haven't gotten sleep in three days.
So, forgive me for my crudeness.
But... forgive me for my crudeness. But I just think it's...
It's not...
People really, really misunderstand us.
Because we're not even saying, we're not really even just coming from like blue collar workers are the real workers that Marx was talking about.
And like baristas, this is like some bullshit.
Like, you know, like leach job that leeches off of actual productive labor.
I mean, in a sense, yeah, yeah, like in a sense, that's kind of true.
It is true.
You know, it is true.
Not to say baristas are parasites.
And I can actually justify why I don't think they're parasites.
That's the thing.
I'll get to that in a second.
This is where I want people to actually just start thinking instead of uh getting angry about this topic
or getting offended by it but there there's truth to that there's truth to that this bullshit job
only exists because of the arbitrary allocation of capital for speculative purposes, however successful it is in terms of meeting the demands of the population, the consumer demands of the population, Starbucks has the capital that it does,
because banks gave it to them, and the reason banks were able to give them that capital is because of the
productive labor that's actually produced by the blue collar uh industry and labor laborers right
so there's truth to that you know but that's not even just where we're coming from.
It's also more that people don't appreciate how much we are, you know what,
fuck it.
We are living in a different mode of production
than the one Marx described
in capital.
The mode of production we live in now clearly came from that one.
It clearly evolved from that one.
It's not the same one, though.
It's definitely not the same one.
And I will die on that hill.
Anyone wants to debate me on it?
I'll wipe the floor with them if they think what I'm saying has no basis or no credibility. But it's just the truth. It's not the same one. Even Lenin's imperialism wasn't necessarily the same one. But especially today, it's definitely not the same.
Okay. And I'm sick of people attempting to larp 19th century class struggle in every possible context. People are trying to larp the 19th century
class struggle in every possible context in which there are employees and a workplace. And that's what I'm sick and tired of.
I'm not angry at baristas for having pink hair.
I'm angry at Western Marxists
for having no self-awareness
as far as how much things have changed, how much we live in a different world than the one described by Marx and capital.
Again, that world has lineage in the one Marx was talking about, but it has changed fundamentally.
Okay. It has changed fundamentally. Okay?
It has changed fundamentally.
Like, that is where we were coming from.
And I think that's where logo is coming from, too.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to elaborate.
Don't worry.
I'm not going to say this.
Like, for example,
here's the tough thing, you know.
It's capital.
Where does capital come from?
Where does the capital come from that that that basically um that bank rolls that the the the types of economic
activity in our society across the board whether they're in the service industry or any other
industry where does that capital actually come from?
And for some reason, that question has been lost on people.
It's like they just assume circuit.
They just assume that it's, of course, given in the fact of profit.
It comes from the profit.
The profit then is reinvested in the in the you know and it's premises and this is what produces the mc m prime circuit of capital but that's
not true for today fascinatingly that's not true today it's not true, that's not true today. It's not true today when the majority of the capital
doesn't come from profits. And somehow Marxists don't find that to be significant.
Somehow they don't find that to be significant.
They don't consider the factor, even though Marx literally writes about it in volume 3 in which chapter.
The chapter where he's talking about the conversion of the rate of profit or the relation of the rate of profit to the rate of surplus value where he says even when I'm relating these two distinct things we have to assume that the money supply stays the same and it's like you won't find a single six month interval where the money supply is the same today so first of all that's something we can't assume
definitely can't assume it but yes strangely enough the capital doesn't seem to come from capital
the capital doesn't come from capital put that in your head the capital today doesn't actually come from capital it doesn't
come from profits it comes from socialized planning what else can i call it it comes from from
socialized credit not planning capital today doesn't come from capital it comes
from socialized credit by socialized i don't mean in a necessarily good sense i mean it in the sense of
banks seem to have the power to marshal the
productive forces
however they want to, to their hearts
content. Obviously, within the limits of physical laws
but within the limits of economic laws it doesn't it seems like they have to meet a few
what are the economic laws that socialized credit has to meet? Well, supply and demand,
there has to be demand. Consumers have to want it. And of course, there has to be supply.
It has to be physically possible. There has to be supply it has to be physically possible there has to be enough resources but even then it even then it seems like this new mode of production we're living
and defies even this you want to know a good example of this? Look at Saudi Arabia. I want anyone to come to me and look me in the eyes and tell me that Neom in Saudi Arabia is being funded from capital.
What circuit of capital is funding Neum?
In Saudi Arabia and in Dubai and in the Gulf, we see these tendencies nakedly on display like literally to your heart's content utilizing like
credit which doesn't seem to have to be backed by anything except some kind of socialized initiative
by socialized i mean like a government initiative
or at the scale of the whole of the productive forces of society wielding that power.
Like, you know, people tend to, in the Soviet Union and in and in mouse china where there is direct state planning
and they could pretty much just embark on whatever projects they saw fit assuming they were like
correctly appraising the economic laws and the whatever societal considerations.
That doesn't seem like that disappeared. It seems like that itself has somehow been incorporated within the global mode of production
we live in.
It's backed by oil, and that's where things get interesting.
Because when you say oil, it makes me think about the Rockefellers.
And think about the Rockefellers. And the origins of the U.S. banking system and the U.S. form of capitalism or imperialism,
super imperialism.
And things like Morganization, or standardization.
It was a little called Standard Oil by Rockefeller,
where they basically standardized all of these industries that were producing surplus value
and it's almost like what Marx describes in volume 3
with the conversion of, what was it,
the conversion of profit into rent.
And that's exactly what standard oil and morgan and the uh vanderbilt's that's what they did they they turned all these profits into predictable streams of revenue and rent.
And then on the basis of that predictable rent, that all of society agreed was a necessary use value of society. So we need railroads. It doesn't matter if we're, it doesn't matter what commodities we're transporting. we need railroads it doesn't matter if we're it doesn't matter what commodities
we're transporting we need railroads as a society okay we need oil we need energy right as a society
we need electricity as a society okay so like it doesn't matter it was a it was a agreed upon social use value for the
whole of society that meant it was an economic monopoly okay translation it was an economic monopoly
once you have a monopoly you have
an ability
to have
almost an unconditional collateral
asset
you could use that
from the surplus
that's produced from the rent
because rent does endanger
more than what it takes
that's the nature of rent, right?
You could use that to build the world
to design whatever fucking world you wanted. And it seems like that's what the rockefellers kind of did or at least had a part in doing the builderbergs and all these billionaires they got together and they fucking designed and were architects
of like this new world order after World War II.
I mean, it's literally true.
All that shit conspiracy theories talk about.
It's like there's a grain of truth in it, you know?
Through, they call it philanthropy or whatever else i mean that's what happened pretty much you know
the rancor whatever uh all right anyway so like tradition so so already there we're kind of um we have uh to have a new
understanding of the proletariat you know the proletariat aren't just people who are employed
they're the people employed in the industries, which are producing the collateral that creditors are able to use to fund everything else.
So to begin for Starbucks, we would have to begin analyzing like is that
a sufficient form of collateral to what extent is that is that producing the collateral and then
you could just from an analysis of supply chains alone you could see it's
definitely not it's qualitatively um not in the same league as oil you know or or a heavy industry
you know or even infrastructure and transportation so you know why am i
getting crucified for pointing these things out i'm just the guy raising questions i just want people to
think about the world we live in a little differently instead of just
assuming that it's one for one the exact same as in the, you know, 1865 because it's not. And, you know, further, why do do so why don't i think service industry
people are parasites
even though the nature of their job is parasitic on the rest of the economy, why aren't they parasites?
Well, here's why.
Because something strange happens with super imperialism after the monopoly imperialism that Lenin was talking about.
You know how
Rockefeller and the Vanderbilt's
and they were able to use these
industrial monopolies as collateral
to issue credit?
Well, like sometime around the 1930s or 40s,
after World War I at least,
that's what entire country started being,
collateral.
Entire countries, through the values of their currencies, started acting as forms of financial collateral with which to lend that banks could use to lend.
So at the total level of the whole mode of production somehow entire countries could be thought of you could think of them as like a like a factory like all of america became one factory all of britain became one factory all of germany became one factory. All of Britain became one factory. All of Germany became one factory, right? And this factory is a collateral asset, which could be used by the banks of these countries, and banks around the world, for that matter,
to give out loans.
And they had predictable,
and they could endanger and produce predictable streams of income.
This is where the MMT people kind of like to,
you know,
go wild, you know, because the way they interpret the, the monopoly is a monopoly on taxation, you know, it's the ability to levy taxes that produces a guaranteed source of revenue and income and you know you think about austerity in austerity politics and you know the need for governments that are in debt to pay back the debt and how this cuts into their ability to fund you know social programs and just just the society in general
you know you know why i hate the word welfare state because it just assumes that like oh we still have the same capitalism
but there's just like a new department where the government like you know helps people sometimes
and it doesn't give full it doesn't give full um proper justice to the fact that
like
everything is fucking reliant on the government
like literally everything. It's not just
some
extra thing that the government
has been doing. It's not not just welfare it's like it's
literally like the government of every modern country today is a fundamental factor of production
okay it's like a fundamental factor of production. Okay. It's like a fundamental factor of production.
Now, how is the surplus value being produced at a national scale?
You want me to tell you?
I fucking don't know.
I literally don't have a definite answer.
I just have suspic answer. I just have
suspicions. I have
interesting
avenues of investigation, but I don't have
a definite answer. I straight up don't.
I think it's an open question, and I would like more people to investigate it instead of
getting upset and offended, you know? Why don't people think about this though? It's like
in order for me to like draw and definite, I need to sit down for like three months
and just focus on only this
researching it and thinking about it
so after my book on political philosophy
maybe I'll do that but I'll just give you
where my head is as far as
um
so okay there are a few things that we have to work off of one is the m mt idea that it's taxes
i am very skeptical of that and I'm not satisfied with it.
The reason I'm not satisfied with it is because I feel as though it's a proxy for something more fundamental.
The ability for the society to pay taxes does clearly indicate that it that there is a social product
that everyone is participating in the creation of but i feel like that confines taxes to the
status of a proxy rather than the direct thing that creates the value itself.
So I'm not a fan of the MMT conclusions people have drawn.
I think about the strategic sectors of the economy taken as a totality.
So the way in which monopoly capitalism has been incorporated with the government, from oil to mining and all this other kind of stuff.
And I think about how in states like Saudi Arabia and even the late Soviet Union,
this was directly the case. The states and Russia today, the state's monopoly on oil,
voila. That gives you the whole key. It's like Rockefeller's standard oil elevated to the status of an entire state, an entire country, funding the entire country. So that seems like a very easy way to think about it.
But I don't find that one particularly satisfying.
Because why? Because it's the demand for oil that gives oil its value, not the labor of the oil workers, drinking it out of, sorry, drilling it out of the ground.
Marxists have struggled to wrap their heads around this fact, but it's the truth.
Oil has value because it's a proxy for the energy needs of a society.
And those in turn have value because something else is...
It's drawing out the process of economic activity it's drawing out the economic activity that makes things like energy and electricity valuable and worth paying for and and things that can be paid for right and what is that
again MMT people will say that's just taxes but I'm not satisfied with that.
And I think it's an open question.
But I've started trying to reconcile these ideas with ecology, you know, not just cybernetics, but ecology more specifically, and broadening ecology to encompass what, the way in which modes of life or ways of living somehow are being valorized.
Now that is the thing that I am the most interested in exploring.
What if, in some kind of way, the, let's just call it the total, what do they call the data, the total personal data of a given individual,
somehow that is being valorized.
There are patterns of consumption,
not just their patterns of consumption,
but the necessities of their lives being
reproduced the rent they pay the groceries they go to the store to get what if
this is somehow being valorized what if this is somehow producing a surplus in excess of its conditions of possibility?
The valorization of modes of living. That is the thing that I'm the most interested in, thinking about.
It's pretty explicit with data, you know, data as a commodity.
It's very mysterious, but I don't think anyone's really cracked the code or has really...
Anyone who's telling you they have a definite you know answer or conclusion they're wrong i know
they're wrong the question but again the question today isn't where is the surplus value
coming from it's where is the capital
coming from that is a much more interesting question all we have to go off is that it's physically
possible it's not physically irrational that society uh exists the way it is it conforms to known laws of physics it just doesn't conform to any known economic laws of that are socially produced in the sense of in the sense of uh the commodity form
has to come down to energy in the end
well here is basically broadly what we know.
What we know is that we don't simply live in a pure capitalism, if that's still what we're living in, is not strictly a mode of production of civil society.
And what I mean by that is that, broadly speaking, every modern state and country has arrived at it in implicit consensus that there is a minimum of social not just social welfare but economic activity and function which which is necessary, which is a necessary use value, whose
reproduction is literally inscribed into the law of the state, so to speak, such that in economic times of crisis even if it does not
fulfill any immediate economic interest we'll have the new deal for example right
or we'll have the bank bailouts even though that's a little different. 2008.
But
use value,
ironically enough,
has become a very important
economic factor.
You know know the black rocks ESG scores are a huge example of this you know China is a living example of the dominance of use value over exchange value.
But I think why use value has been dismissed in the way it has for so long within Marxism is because the assumption back then was that use value is basically an immediate utilitarian object for consumption. I have a use for this object to do with what, do with it what I please, right?
But then, you know, you realize, actually, it becomes more broadly socialized through this
kind of process of exchange, how it's incorporated in the production of surplus value and so on
and so on.
But now we're met with an enigma where socialized use values have become fundamental economic factors.
You know, the five-year plans of a country.
What goals does the country want to meet economically? What is its industrial
policy? These have become incorporated in the economic laws that govern modern societies.
So use value has been socialized.
And that's where kind of everything seems to begin.
Even if capitalism breaks down as a mode of production in the sense of the falling rate of profit, somehow we have committed
civilizationally, we have acquired the resolve by which to continue existing and reproducing and economically existing.
Even though it makes no sense from the standpoint of the logic of capitalism,
that's what 1929 proved. That's what 2008 proved.
It's what 1971 proved.
The will to create. I don't know what that means and I have nothing to do with it. And I really hate that interpretation.
Frankly, it sounds like retarded. Sorry.
There's no will to create it's just it's not a will to create
it's not a will to anything it's it's not it's not about your will it's it's about a fundamental fact of civilization.
Sorry, I haven't slept in three days, like I said. uh uh the normal thing i don't i'll talk about that tomorrow um super tired
why don't you guys like ask me questions?
Because I feel like a lot of people are confused about this shit. What is use value?
I don't think use value can be quantified maybe it i'm trying to think if it could but use value is just broadly what's referred to as the the the way in which the value of something
the way in which something acquires value
according to its use you know it's like like
to what extent do I want to use it for something
so for example like you, your phone has a use
value in the sense that, like, it's valuable to you because you want to call people on it,
you know? You use it to call people. So use value is different from exchange value, though, because the exchange value of this phone, let's say, is totally indifferent to how anyone wants to use it or what they want to do with it.
Rather, it can be defined purely in terms of like how much could it be exchanged for basically like this one phone equals um 500 rolls of toilet paper. I don't know.
I don't know.
How much rolls it would be.
Probably not.
I don't know.
But anyway,
does the chair have more use value than shoes?
Well, well, that's the thing is that use value like i said i don't i think the
assumption is that it cannot be um it cannot be quantified so it's up to you to decide that. That was the assumption that political economy
began with. That was the assumption. We have no way of objectively knowing the use value.
But the problem with that assumption is that today,
that doesn't seem to be the case. it seems like uh use values it seems like they have acquired a
degree of objectivity social objectivity and that is the enigma that is the enigma. That is the mystery.
Yeah, yeah, by some human demand but it's like to what extent is that demand rooted in an objective social necessity that is what kind of was left out.
You know, Marx and Engels, they would talk about how I think, again, haven't slept in three days, so forgive me if they haven't said this.
But I distinctly recall, I think one of them said something along the lines of that socialism will amount to the subordinate, the supremacy of use value. It's determined by labor and by nature.
It's the source, according to them, it's the source
according to them it's the source
the source of the use value
yes comes from labor and comes from nature
but for example let's say
um
let's say a funcopop has use value.
See, this is the enigma, right?
This is why we're fighting about baristas or something.
Because, well, something like a funcopop can have a use value to someone. Let's say someone wants a funcop
and they want to rub their feet with it or something weird like that. That's the human demand that it fulfills.
Um, our needs to do that. demand that it fulfills.
Our knee-jerk reaction would be to say this is not an object. This is not a legitimate use value because it's somehow like antisocial. Why should all of society have to produce this thing for some weird guy's fetish?
But then the liberal Marxists, the liberal individualistic ones, let's call them that,
they'll go ahead and they'll tell us, well, no, the use value doesn't matter, it's all.
Then it's gotten to such an absurd degree that they'll try to say now that prostitutes are proletarians.
They say, well, it doesn't matter what kind of labor they're doing.
It's still proletarian, because as long as there's a demand,
um, it's being valorized and they're productive laborers.
And it's ironic because in Marx's day,
they didn't regard prostitutes as proletarians.
So why the hell would they be today?
It's so stupid. But even then, the main crux of what
makes this position so outrageous isn't just that it's wrong from a technical Marxist perspective. It's wrong because it neglects how use value has become an objective social use value has become objectively intertwined on a systemic level with exchange value such that we could all
clearly see that there are unproductive and parasitic forms of economic activity that are just mooching off of the fulfillment and production
of objective use values and that is something we regard as intuitively self-evident.
In Marx's time,
to speak of objective use values
was ridiculous, right?
It was meaningless.
This was a time of the full reign of exchange value. Everything was subordinated to exchange
value. But ironically enough, precisely because everything was subordinated to exchange value,
there was no consumerism.
Now, stay with me here. Stay with me here.
We tend to associate all of the excesses of capitalism and all the reign of the dollar and the reign of money with mindless consumerism.
But consumerism is actually proof of the triumph of socialism, not capitalism.
And I can explain to you why.
Because in 19th century classical capitalism um use value was fully
subordinated to exchange value and because of that, rather than things being produced to meet primarily desire as a clear and obvious factor of production, an explicit factor of production, it was just this monstrous mechanical kind of like expansion of material wealth
to fulfill the basic subsistence of society. Desire did not have an explicit role economically in shaping that.
Because everything was subordinated
under the
under exchange value
in a way that was totally indifferent to the use values,
everything was being produced just to kind of
acquire capital and acquire surplus
which ironically led to a society
that was this kind of monstrous mechanical, you know, purely indifferent to our desires and even our greed, right? So that was a society. That's why it was so clear what the proletariat was back then right but consumerism
uh is the opposite right with consumerism when desire becomes a factor of production, what does this prove? It proves that exchange value by itself is not the supreme, not everything is subordinated under exchange value alone at least, right?
How people's subjective desires and wants become a fundamental factor of production.
Let's call them their socialized use values, such that there can be a craze for Coca-Cola
and McDonald's and all these other kinds of things.
Not necessarily, it's like Coca-Cola and McDonald's were not necessary things to realize and light industry as a whole, because you know FDR and the New Deal, he was backed by the light industry capitalists, and he was fighting the the financial monop and financial and industrial
merged those monopolies is the ones he was fighting on behalf of the the kind of up-and-coming
light industry capitalists. But
the light industries
um
as much as they're profitable
you cannot say
that this is a society purely motivated by profit anymore.
It's a society that's also motivated by satiating desires,
satiating unique demands, demands which themselves are not purely defined by the goal of acquiring exchange value
a great guy to read about where mark's got his ideas about value and about the relationship
between desire and need is nicholas barbon work is called a discourse of trade 1,690. Thank you so much, Chris. I appreciate you so much. Let me put it this way, right? What were the things that capitalism produced in the 19th century they were things that
just produced more capitalism they were things that people needed in order to
continue and endanger the process of capitalist valorizationization, and that's really it, you know.
The things that were being produced were predictable in the sense that it wasn't about satiating
unique desires, it was about satiating needs
that were themselves indentured and created
by
exchange value itself
or surplus value itself,
I should rather say.
Right? Like, for example,
let's just use like a dumb example like um like the pollution created by the factory
uh in the neighborhood is creating um it's creating like pollution and and some shit everywhere i don't know so that created the new
need for um producing brooms to sweep it all away to just to make the environment habitable that's a good example of like the feedback loop that i'm
talking about right it's like capitalism itself was just creating the things that it's that were
necessary for itself but uh you can't say that's true for a consumer economy.
What makes McDonald's more of a lubricant to reproducing a capitalist society or the ultimate fulfillment of surplus value than Wendy's.
I mean, McDonald's is more desired than Wendy's is. Why is McDonald's somehow more capitalist than Wendy's
at the level of what causes people to desire it more?
So you see what I'm talking about.
This is proof that exchange value is not dominant anymore over surplus value.
Sorry, over use value.
Yeah, of course, the workday.
That's so important as well.
So, these are the things that are necessary to understand. Today.
Anyway, guys, I'll see you tomorrow.
We're going to be streaming tomorrow as well.
But, yeah, I'm going to collapse out of exhaustion. Okay. but yeah i'm gonna collapse
out of exhaustion
could this be extended to digital and intangible use value
you know what's crazy because? Because the attention economy started
bothering me as a Marxist.
Because I'm actually a real Marxist.
And I want Marxism to be correct.
So I started getting bothered
by how the fuck it was
that so much
money is being made from data and these intangible digital stuff like
how does the labor theory of value quote unquote with that's not what marks ever called it but how
does that factor into like the attention economy
like how the fuck is Mr.
Beast making more money? Oh from advertising
it's like okay but
it's like the data
is becoming more
valuable than the fucking product
you know?
The product itself.
Like, we are the product, right?
So, I saw this crazy guy, Atlas, what's up?
There was this crazy guy who wrote a... He wrote an article about it.
It was like an academic thing.
And I admire him for his insanity.
But you know what he said?
He said that the labor of our eyes reading and looking at the screen was somehow the source of the value and i
shit you not i saw someone say that who was like a serious marxist academic and he said the labor of our eyes is what the labor of the
energy expended for our eyes to see. And I
I was like, yeah,
we gotta rethink a lot of things.
We gotta rethink a lot of things
because this is fucking crazy.
But that was a serious Marxist academic who said that like when an ad pops up and we're looking at that
the labor of our like eyes
is creating the value the surplus value
and I found that fucking crazy
I was like all right we need to change And I found that fucking crazy.
I was like, all right, we need to change.
We need to completely rethink everything we think we know about Marxism, because clearly it's not.
This is clearly not where Marx was coming from, all right?
This is a little ridiculous. Anyway, guys.
Anyway, guys, see you all tomorrow. Bye-bye.