COMMUNISM, STATE AND CLASS [2021-01-24]

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what's up everybody

how you guys doing tonight

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let's get started

let's get started

how's everybody doing in the chat

y'all doing good

so we're gonna have a more chill stream

tonight it's not gonna be five hours

long obviously it's sunday night so you

know what i'm saying i can't be here for

that long but uh

i wanted to have a short chill

educational stream obviously i'm still

going to be taking questions so you guys

want to have any questions in the chat

go ahead and do that

um

doing fine that's good to hear man it's

good to hear what's up red dondonian

what's up man of steel

um the reason i wanted to do this stream

in particular

is because i know i promised i was going

to have a little short stream

about class

because i think this is something that

is continually misunderstood

in america and britain and other

english-speaking countries as far as i'm

concerned

countries where the language i can

understand specifically in the west

doesn't seem like people have a good

understanding of what classes and if

you're active on a [ __ ] site called

twitter there's all sorts of debates

what's up bruno glad to see you here man

there's all sorts of stupid [ __ ]

debates that are going on about class

reductionism versus identity politics

race versus class and then worst of all

you have intersectionality and

intersectionality is not really

something i've seen marxist even the

ones i would consider myself sympathetic

to

really address and be able to

you know

overcome you know it seems like

implicitly everybody is a kind of

intersectional so well class is

important but other things are important

too it's a really on dialectical view

because it doesn't situate what class is

by the way guys if you're not following

me

don't be scared to say so in the chat

because i want to make this as

accessible and understandable it is is

it uh what's up ewoks glad to see you

man i can't wait for our collab on

friday

right it was a friday or saturday but uh

it's gonna be lit guys me and e us and

ewok um infrared and ewok we're gonna

collab probably on a live stream it's

gonna be lit as [ __ ]

uh so i hope to see you guys there it's

going to be friday i think

yeah we're going to have a really

interesting discussion

and uh it's going to be sick

what's up temujin glad to be here it's

going to be good yeah yeah man it's

going to be sick as [ __ ]

friday yeah

it sounds mint i don't know what that

means

um

but uh friday yeah i remember this

friday friday is so saturday for me why

is that but um anyway yeah we're gonna

as i was saying um

i want to have this talk about class

because it seems to me even a lot of

marxist leninists in the anglo-spheres

english-speaking marxist leninist tend

to take i've seen for example i don't

want to call anybody out i'm not someone

not to start drama or nothing i'm not

that type of person we just went off on

the larp lords

so that's a warm up yeah it's really

refreshing to anticipate the fact that

we're entering an era

oh we live in new zealand

okay that makes sense then yeah it's

really refreshing to anticipate the fact

that we're approaching an era in which

marxism leninism isn't any longer going

to be associated with larping because

believe it or not guys for a long time

it actually was for a long time marxism

leninism was just a form of larp but

we're entering a new type of era in

which tankies mean something else

entirely but

um anyway yeah i've seen videos let me

just say it you know they're not

starting drama i don't have a problem

with the person but the guy named hugo

pink

i've seen one of his videos i'm not too

familiar with a guy but as i was

watching one of his videos he said

something that is repeated often on

bread tube and i was kind of surprised

to see him say it he said

class something he implied basically

that class was defined by your ability

to fire people and the power you have in

the workplace and the ability to have

that kind of control well actually

that's not a materialistic

uh definition or view of class that's

actually a political definition of class

right politics is about what politics is

the thing that's about sovereignty and

power and control and all that kind of

stuff and we've been seeing in the west

that there's this influx of

uh

i think caleb calls it post-modernism it

kind of traces to a french speaker

called foucault who replaced the marxist

class analysis the materialistic

analysis with an analysis that was

fixated on power in relationships of

power and power was the supreme thing

not material relations of production but

power control domination and so on and

so on

so i it's kind of um

concerning to see that there's marxist

leninists out there or you know people

adjacent to our tanki sphere who are

kind of um

concurring with that americanization of

the class analysis class is actually not

defined by the power you have in the

workplace and your ability to influence

decision making and all that kind of

stuff that's more of a political and

cultural

type of thing it has actually nothing to

do with well everything has something to

do with everything that's a dialectical

view but that's actually not how uh

marxists in the past have defined or

understood what class is class is not

political it's economic you can talk

about the political and cultural

implications of that that's fine and

among those

maybe include the tremendous and you

know deciding power that bosses have

over workers but that's actually not

what defines what the class is

yeah you hear some

more populist right conservatives like

sagar engine and jetty i don't know who

that is talking about the managerial

elite

well that is a thing that is a thing

don't get me wrong

but it's not necessarily the same thing

technically as the class as marx was

understanding it but you can easily see

that there is a professional managerial

elite

that can be understood as a definite

social formation in our society um but

it's not technically what a class is in

marxism and what a class is i'm going to

get to really quick and it's so simple

guys it's going to blow your mind um

trying to vaguely sound like they're

talking about class when the managers

still work for capital two ewok that's a

very interesting point because according

to

the dogmatic west marxist view actually

ceos are the working class

because they're not they don't actually

technically own the means of production

they too are employees who are hired

i've seen that as a libertarian talking

point people tend to just dismiss it as

that but i haven't seen a good response

to that argument and it's actually a

completely valid argument but it doesn't

necessarily mean that there's no

difference between ceos and the average

joe in america what it means is that

western marxists need to go back to the

basics and really re-evaluate what

they're taking for granted because the

way they've responded to that is by

saying well ceos have more power but

actually power is not what defines

classes and class relations neat isn't

the political power reflected

in the material well uh i mean

traditionally isn't it the opposite neat

isn't it that

uh the political is actually what

reflects the material the material is

actually what's primary um

i think a lot of those that relationship

you know the whole basin superstructure

analogy is a little bit confused and

there's a lot of things wrong with it

but on a you know it's better than if

you were to say the reverse that

political power is what determines class

sagar and jetty is the co-host of the

hill oh i like the hill people actually

i like sagar and um

what's her name

uh crystal crystal ball yeah i like both

of them i don't have a problem with them

um

yeah exactly because the managers don't

own the means either exactly i even

meant like the year yeah i mean weak

foot colin frank which will have some

psychosexual some weird psychosexual

analysis

yeah i mean um not getting down that

rabbit hole because

we don't really have time to

psychoanalysis thing but specifically

you can still have a coherent

understanding of the social differences

and the class struggle in the united

states between the professional

managerials and the people but you need

to get your theory correct first

and then it'll be all clear what we're

dealing with what is a peasantry what is

the proletariat what is um the the

people the populist people right what is

the professional managerial class what

is the metropolitan petite bourgeoisie

why is there somehow a difference

between

uh

city proletariat and rural proletary you

know what i'm saying

so this is really something that's

multi-dimensional that we're dealing

with but if we can square off a correct

understanding of class it'll enable us

to make sense of all these other really

complicated things including what's

addressed by so-called intersectionality

which is race

what about race isn't race just as

important as class

um but they're different things is the

thing you have to get you have to

understand what class is first and then

it'll be clear why there's a racial

antagonism and all this kind of stuff

anti-imperialism and so on and so on

yeah i read sagar and crystal's book and

thought it was good for people that are

new to moving towards dissident politics

i'm especially really delighted and glad

to see jimmy dore's recent video where

he i didn't watch the whole video so you

know don't quote me on this but where he

was talking about there's that militia

guy and he said i'd rather have the

people who have guns be pro-black lives

matter than be against and he was

basically saying that these you know

militia type people maybe they have a

potential um you know and i kind of i

like that jimmy dore he's stepping

outside of the so-called progressive box

and he's realizing we're entering a new

era of politics in the united states so

i was really glad to see that direction

jimmy dore's headed in i think sagar and

crystal are kind of on the same page

what's up papa chulo glad to see you

back

um how you doing agreed we need to

understand the base before we get into

the superstore exactly i want to just

have a simple understanding what is

class and then it'll allow us to have a

more nuanced and you know ability to

apply it and

everything will be very simple when we

have this

so the first thing i want to do

yeah it's straight up great to reach out

to other people like that jimmy is doing

yeah i mean i think we're all here at

the infrared show we're all big fans of

jimmy dore

so um yeah there's that

but uh

so let's get straight to it okay the

first thing i want to do is i want to

give you guys a brief historical

background about the origin of the

significance of class specifically in

the 19th century okay so the first thing

i want to ask the chat and everyone you

can share what you think but i want to i

want to get this ball wrong by having

you guys think about this

why is it

that something called class as a concept

the concept of class why would this

enter into significance now for all of

almost all of recorded human

history i say recorded

emphasis on recording jimmy and caleb

maupin got [ __ ] on so much for doing so

much more

yeah i mean jimmy and caleb are

definitely doing good work

um

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uh oh the boog boys are anti-racist and

willing to fight for what they believe

their thing is that don't differentiate

from a bourgeois state and protein

well yeah they're not marxist but

the main thing and i'm going to kind of

get to this is this question of you have

a white supremacy either way so vash is

the person who says let's side with the

white supremacist state and the

institutions

because those are formally making them

feel like a safe space

as opposed to the rebellious toxic

masses but the marxist materialist view

would be that that state actually comes

from the masses so if you're if there's

any hope whatsoever it's going to come

from those masses if you want to have a

reset and you want to overcome white

supremacy you don't side with the

establishment you don't side with the

city white people you're going to side

with the rule white people because the

rule white people are the material

foundation

and

racism and all that kind of stuff is is

a kind of super structural thing right

so if you go to the origin and source

maybe they're racist or toxic and all

this stuff but at least they have the

potential to generate something new and

that's always been the marxist view

since lenin at least but i would also

argue it was marx's view as well but

it's just kind of been hush up touched

up and de-emphasized

um

jimmy beating stalin's high score door

yeah facts did you see jimmy tear apart

the trot

oh no i didn't see that maybe we'll

react to it later i would love to

actually watch that i want i really want

to watch that um you push it up facts

and bass

um yeah uh

i don't know how to enable links in the

chat so links in the chat don't work go

ahead to our twitter and link it to my

twitter and my dms

and we'll watch it later

in infrared if you could see what's up

quindy glad to see you here quinny's

been here from the start

uh from the very beginning they

commented on our video glad to see you

here man um

class solitude oh it was like 40 i saw

that i actually just saw that yeah

i'm gonna check it out but anyway what i

was talking about is in the 19th century

why is it

that something like class

became a concept because for all of

mankind's recorded history there's

always been observable social

differentiations there's been different

castes there's been feudalism obviously

but even before feudalism there's

different ranks there's nobles there's

slaves there's all sorts of social

distinctions that existed before

industrial capitalism but only with

marxism do we have

a

general concept of class so what i want

to get the ball rolling and have you

guys think about is what is the origin

of the concept of class why do we have a

concept of class uh in general

and uh guys comment if you can't really

follow if this is too complicated i'll

try to you know i want to work with you

guys i just want to you know make this

educational make this fruitful for

everybody uh and we there's you know

there's not enough of us

for for me not to justify being able to

help everyone

so literally everyone in the chat i'm

gonna be able to help you understand

this okay if we have 200 viewers it's

going to be tough but for now we we

don't have that many viewers so i'm

really going to be able to work with you

and help you so if you

just bear with me here you know um

uh so

uh i have my theories but i think the

assumption of liberalism's class

abolition uh face value is just flawed

well

the concept of classes we're focusing

what is the origin of the concept of

class

um

there's there are explicit class

distinctions not as hard as in feudalism

well in feudalism

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i'm going to remember you guys you know

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uh

at least i will i think everyone else in

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um

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we're not worrying about views that much

right now you know right now we just

want to

um

just get ourselves out there hey

infrared do you think one of the

problems of western emails don't put

much emphasis on marx's theories of

alienation

um i can get to that i'm not sure how

much i can get to with this stream this

stream is mainly going to be about class

and the question i want i'm throwing out

there for you guys to think about

is

what is the origin of the concept of

class because the general concept of

class has its origin with marks or not

necessarily marx but in the 19th century

before the 19th century there were casts

and social distinctions of all sorts and

all civilizations

but there was never a general concept of

of a class there were if you wanted to

talk about class you were going to be

talking about particular classes if you

lived in the feudalism right you're

talking about knights and nobles and all

that kind of [ __ ] and you're just

talking about the particular classes

you're not talking about class in

general so the thing we want to think

about is how did class in general arise

okay that's the most important thing

that that has to be interrogated if we

want to arrive at a good co a good

understanding of class where we are

right now

um

just have to police the chat until it

gets too big twitch streamers mild chats

of one yeah i mean we'll have mods and

all that kind of stuff too we're not

really worried about it yeah all right

tube we're gonna remember who is exactly

yeah we're all gonna remember who's here

from the start the the people here from

the start the ogs they're always gonna

get priority in the future um

uh got you yo okay that's not for me the

theory of class appeared when it needed

to what's up mr d glassy here uh when

the old class structure broke down and

people needed to describe but mr g

here's the problem with that is that

class structures have always been broken

down and rebuilt and so on across the

history of humanity you know so that was

nothing new that specifically was

nothing new the ancients did have a

concept of social distinctions as a

general rule though right but class in

general right class in the abstract in

the sa in the sense of marxism

specifically as it concerns material

relations of production and not just

explicit

um explicit polit political distinctions

and rank and so on and so on so that's

the question we have to ask answer

perhaps production became a social act

as angel said but i would argue and i

think marx and engels would argue the

same thing is that production was always

social i mean from the very beginning of

humanity it was social the difference

between kings freeman slaves merchants

and priests

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right there had always been class

distinctions but a general theory and

concept of class is something modern

um

society as a whole is more and more

splitting up to two great hostile camps

that's a okay neat is needs

uh hitting on the money here need is the

one hitting on the money here i think

he's saying

he's quoting society as a whole is more

and more splitting up into two

two great hostile camps

two classes directly facing each other

there's something really significant

about that okay

two okay just two in the history of

mankind there is all sorts of social

distinctions clearly in our society

there's all sorts of different kinds of

social distinctions

but in the modern era as was described

by marx and engels society is splitting

up into two great hostile camps only two

okay

so we're gonna we're gonna go

go ahead and uh unravel this in a

dialectic way gonna explain this in a

dialectic way um here at base neat

um we're gonna get to it okay i'm just

gonna cut to the chase the reason why

there arose a general concept of class

is because of this it's very simple

almost for the first time uh hold on

because the differences are implicit not

explicit under liberalism

where classes are not natural

distinctions

but the question is why right and i'm

going to try to get to that um what's up

leonard i think this is the first time

seen here glad to see you here man i'm

i'm great chilling with ricegang

watching aki infrared preach the word

thanks puja appreciate it large portions

of the population became more involved

in but i think that's always been the

case cosmonaut they've always been

involved you know the silk road and so

on

motor production share this streamer i

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talk to you guys about this this isn't

going to be like a five hour stream but

i want you guys to take something away

and get something out of this um hey

karma okay see you later ewoks i'm gonna

see you friday with that collab looking

forward to it man it's gonna be great

watch the rest tomorrow if it's still up

yeah we might keep it up actually we

might keep it up

um

because i'm a little less embarrassing

this stream thank you man greetings from

mexico oh that's great to hear we have a

guy from mexico in our group

uh his name is jorge

you've probably seen him if you watched

our previous videos

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the reason a general concept of class

came into being and arose

was because

the concept of the modern nation state

okay okay let me just get to it first

it was because of the french revolutions

okay which was itself the culmination of

a certain history the french

revolution's

uh destruction of official distinctions

in the sphere of the state and politics

meaning the french revolution destroyed

all

state and politically recognized social

distinctions after the french revolution

from the perspective of the state and

the law

everyone was equal it's you know it's

what they call bourgeois or formal

equality

some people might object that there's

still existing discrimination you know

maybe against minorities or relig but

ultimately okay ultimately

within the polity the french polity if

you're a citizen of the french polity

you're an equal okay

and quite explicitly this is actually a

form of what they call neoclassicism

okay classicism

which began in the renaissance

and was developed through specifically

cultivated as an aesthetic trend and

also another kind of trend in england

remember the british empire i'm kind of

schizo all over the place bear with me

here the british empire was looking

toward

um rome

the roman empire as as it was

considering itself the the heir of the

roman empire okay

and the

the cultural you know the culture of the

french revolution was very influenced by

this history of looking back to ancient

rome as the golden age that was lost

from the middle ages so this began in

the renaissance basically okay

and within the roman and greek whatever

polities right

there was this formal equality before

the law for citizens the meaning of a

republic okay a republic

meant

some type of

way in which the state recognized

everyone

gave everyone political recognition and

premise all members of a polity okay

as the responsible and um

civil

uh participants of the state okay

uh

how keep this stream unlisted if you do

in our book yeah we might just do that

before then the state was basically the

king as a glorified warlord eugenics i

actually think that hasn't changed

i'll get to that howdy schizomlgang yeah

uh the disintegration of hereditary rule

not specifically the essential thing is

the french revolution's complete

destruction of distinctions

okay this politically recognized

distinctions

in citizenship it was just the citizen

who's a member of the republic and this

is a neo-classical type of politics

hearkening back to the days of ancient

rome

and ancient greece specifically ancient

rome okay

um there's that famous picture of the

french revolution i'm not i can't show

it on stream right now maybe i can but i

don't know if it's worth it

of the the oath of the hooray i'm sorry

i can't pronounce it horatia or whatever

where they're giving that kind of roman

salute and this was a this is an iconic

picture of the french revolution okay so

it's the french revolution that made

possible a general understanding of

class why because in the french

revolution right there arose a concept

of the citizen okay this

i'm here what's up what's up pride

tulum's ak afro lions glad to see you

here man i think you were here for our

first or second stream but uh it's

really glad to see you here back man

um

afro line i'll just call you afro line

because your name's really long

um but anyway yeah the french revolution

is why there arose a general concept of

class

because to put a long story short guys

after the formal equality of the french

revolution which made everyone a citizen

okay who is a part of the polity the

political policy a citizen of the

republic

it could still be observed

that there were some kind of social

distinction okay

some kind of social distinction

some essential social distinction can be

observed let me go further with this

after the restoration if you guys know

about that because i don't want to take

anything for granted after the

restoration right and after the defeat

of napoleon the french monarchy was

restored so the french revolution became

a distant ideal for europe's

intellectuals and thinkers and the way

in which they were responding to their

contemporary injustices and antagonisms

was looking back to the good old ideals

of the french revolution namely

responding to the injustices and

inequalities and all that of the ancient

regime and the restore the restored

order

by mitternac whatever

uh was basically looking toward this

equality formal equality as the model of

the future we want to be equal citizens

no more lords no more nobles that was

basically the trend right socialism

before socialism more or less okay i'm

simplifying a lot of things but

yeah imagine not liking yeah it's crazy

we have 15 likes that's half the viewers

i think that's the most we've ever had

so you guys are breaking records here we

appreciate it guys appreciate all the

likes but anyway

um

so uh back to my train of thought i'm

sorry i don't want to get too distracted

um basically the

uh

people were looking at the french

revolution as a way jesus 17 even more

than half

proto-socialism tova in the sense that

people who would later become socialist

intellectuals were first for example uh

the english romantics they were first

looking at the ideals of the french

revolution as basically the way in which

they were making sense of the world

basically the ideals of the french

revolution right the neoclassicism of

the french revolution this return to

republican equality republican virtue

this was basically the way in which

people

were

were expressing this deeper aspiration

for some kind of

uh social equality

um

uh

tell me if if that still doesn't make

sense to you and i'll i'll i'll work

with you you know i want everybody to be

able to understand what's what i'm

trying to say here

and like i said there's there's a few of

you in the chat so i can work with

everyone you know so uh maupin is live

right now i don't want to take away from

him but

we already started and yeah i think he

already has a lot of viewers anyway but

um

what the [ __ ] someone dislike yeah

usually about two three people come to

our stream and dislike our stream but

they're too much of cowards to ever say

anything in the chat and i've never i've

only had one hostile person ever in this

chat

and it's just how cowardly people are

they're gonna report us they're gonna

dislike us because basically they're

[ __ ] and they're not gonna they're

not gonna actually say anything because

they know i'm gonna directly address

them

you know live right here but yes we do

have haters uh we do have dislikers and

i'm just not gonna focus on them you

know

i'm here for infrared i appreciate that

afro line we really appreciate it

um we try to be i try to be you know

i don't want to you know

go live

too often when other people are live

like if i

if caleb's already live i probably won't

click the live button just personally i

just dislike to mess with you okay

thanks neet appreciate it but there is

you know at least unless you have three

accounts there's at least one hater we

have

i don't care what people would be hating

on you now well i i've brought it up

i've brought it on us you know all that

[ __ ] talking i was having about bread

tube and stuff there's about and anglos

there's bound to be people who just

don't like us another thing is that

we're very heterodox in our approach to

marxism and it's very controversial

stuff i don't know if you guys know this

but we said in our recent videos and

i've made the argument several times and

i'm going to devote a video to this

stream to this maybe that we live in

socialism and that's something that just

people really have a hard time

you know

that's something that almost triggers a

lot of people it even triggers people i

think in our own group

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anti-anglo action is super necessary

yeah

but let's get back to this main point

okay the main point is that after the

restoration

the the intellectuals of europe

the higher id

people who were thinking of higher

ideals to respond to society's ailments

they were looking at the french

revolution they were looking at the

republican equality of the citizen as

basically the way to respond to

society's ill society's problems

okay

but

so the reason i'm bringing that up is

because it's not just that you they

could observe that social distinctions

persisted in spite of the fact

that everyone was equal formally because

even before everyone was formally equal

again

because you have to bear in mind that

the french republic came to an end and

the monarchy was restored

people came to the realization i forget

who the author was but this is the guy

who actually brought

um into being the term proletariat this

is the origin of the term the

proletariat

um

the reason is

people could put two and two together

about the fact that even on this very

abstract level and this intellectual

abstract level you could deduce

arithmetically

right

that even if we are all equal

politically there is some kind of

contradiction some kind of paradox that

persists neet brought this up with the

quote in society there seems to be two

great classes forming i forget the exact

quote maybe he'll he can quote it again

we live in socialism can you clarify red

dundonian i think i will if i have time

this stream i'm going to clarify but i

want to on us to be on the same page

about class first so let's see how fast

i can get through this and then i'm

going to talk about the socialism thing

and i actually might be able to talk

might be able to loop it in because

they're actually related um i want you

guys to bear in mind this is a header

and i'm going to just be honest with you

guys this is a there you go nate neet

just uh

he just linked the quote again society

as a whole is more and more splitting up

into two great hostile camps into two

great classes directly facing each other

malik shaw glad to see you man what's up

man

glad to have you here yeah need to uh he

shared it into the chat

and basically that's what we're talking

about here that's the paradox the

antagonism that you could even deduce

and arrive at on this abstract

intellectual level if you held as an

ideal

that the key to society solving or

responding to society's ailments lies in

the republican equality of the citizen

you could even deduce in your head why

it is that society would split up into

two great hostile camps two great

classes directly facing each other

actually this is what was happening in

england

in england even before the french

sorry even before the reforms that would

basically create some measure of common

social equality as as far as the state

was concerned right that everyone's a

citizen with equal rights and so on and

so on uh this universal suffrage and all

those kinds of things people could

perceive

that

republican equality of the citizen was

not going to be able to respond to this

deeper type of antagonism that was

happening in society so guys pay

attention to the quote neet just shared

okay

and i wanna you know i wish

our streams are not that high quality

yet guys so i'm not able to pull quotes

and show you guys things like how we do

on our video but i'm gonna get to a

point where we're going to be able to do

that basically but um

i get you're we're already living in

socials and point you're referencing the

different times socialism it's not just

that poon job it's actually a more

subtle point that i might be able to get

to here which is that

you i think we need to have a political

economy of socialism right and i'm going

to get to what that means but uh trust

me just don't worry about that issue yet

i just brought it as an example that the

approach i'm going off of right now guys

and i was going to take a moment to

observe this guys

24 likes and 30 viewers

isn't that [ __ ] crazy we've never had

that many likes i don't think and the

proportion of likes to viewers is insane

we appreciate that so much guys you're

breaking records here we've never had

that

the falcon general what's up man glad to

see you back glad to see you here 25

that's [ __ ] crazy 25 likes and 30

viewers

that is crazy you're breaking records

guys every single one of you

is based here it's none of you are bots

either you know i always wonder if some

viewers are bots but it

seems like everybody's engaged

everybody's here everybody's paying

attention we're all in the we're all on

the tanky train we're all watching we're

all in this infrared thing we're all

going to rise together like i said

before a rising tide lifts all boats

bread tube is going down but let's have

this educational stream or someone took

away their like that's okay i forgive

you

let's um

let's have this educational stream

though just so you know because i want

you guys to be able to take something

away from this

um

so

uh oh

jorge is joining awesome

needs is clearly an algorithm yeah

rise up

uh jorge is still connecting i think

well i don't know we're all riding the

tanki train

okay um bear with me it's a sunday night

okay you guys know where i i left off

though so we're talking about the fact

that the french revolutionary republican

equality was not

able hello

what's up jorge jorge there's really bad

feedback i think coming from

the your your side

you say you aren't an anarchist but you

want to smash that like button

i i mean you guys if you don't want to

like that's completely fine

it's enough for you guys to be able to

take something away from this right i

just want to put something out there for

you guys

um and bear with me guys if any of this

is confusing or you want me to clarify

it a little bit more because i do have

time for every single one of you we have

such few viewers right now that i can

actually help each and every one of you

[ __ ] tankies all my guys are tractors

that doesn't have the same ring to it

whatsoever neat quick side question how

many of us love thompson i actually

didn't jorge has bad lighting

well i i just asked you to forgive him

then india tracked your game hold up a

bowl of rice to show support

i might be able to do that soon um

i have food coming

and it's expected oh it's not here yet

okay that's fine

um lefty pool is far from perfect but

it's an it's exposure to par some part

of what socialism has been actually

entailed i've never been on that site

i'm not familiar with that site i mean

i've seen it

uh before

but i've never like posted on it and

been active on it so i'm not that

familiar with lefty pool yeah

nice races in the chat guys but anyway

um

getting back to class

uh

as far as what classes

can someone in chat tell me what

happened it's a podcast right jorge

needs to

get a ring light

i don't have a ring light so i think

yeah i don't think it's that important

but um

i is the only thing i can do the other

possibility is this

so

yeah guys i don't think it's that bad

honestly

um

but anyway uh

uh yeah getting back to what i was

saying about class

um

i got some pdfs from yeah yeah all those

sites are sharing really cool stuff and

another thing is since you mentioned

pdfs shout out to scihub where i think

we're all really big fans of sci hub

here i don't know how can i support sci

hub donate to sci hub if you can guys

it's one of the only causes on the

internet that i actually believe in is

sci hub i [ __ ] love the people over

at scihab but i'm so grateful for that

to them but anyway getting back to this

point about class okay formal political

equality was the i need you guys to bear

this in mind formal political equality

is the premise of having a concept of

class

this is what makes possible a concept of

class and it's also something you need

to presuppose

in order to have a concept of class

so i don't know if i should open up ms

paint

but

again guys if you're not able to follow

this um just let me know in the chat

this is how it is basically you have a

polity or a nation of some kind let's

say france everyone is an equal citizen

okay

you have to presuppose this first in

order for meaningful

in order for the essence of class to

reveal itself as what neet described as

society

splitting up into two great camps

now england didn't have formal political

equality and england was the

quintessential example of this splitting

up into two camps but it was taken as an

article of proof

for the romantic ideologists of the

french revolution that in fact formal

political equality is not actually

enough to

address or

solve this paradox and in fact it's the

very premise of this paradox okay

um when we are all equal

so when we're all politically equal so

to speak

that's actually when class reveals

itself okay political equality is what

reveals the essence of class

and now i'm gonna get to what is class

right finally what this whole stream is

about i'm going to give you a coherence

and extremely simple understanding of

what class is ready

in fact

abstractly and intellectually speaking i

want you guys to open up a hypothetical

bubble in your head i'm not asking you

to accept this wholesale and apply it to

every single just the hypothetical

bubble in your head you can think about

it in this way is what i'm trying to say

there are actually only two real classes

there are only two real classes did you

know that we have six or seven communist

countries if you count china but the

sixth or seventh are nepal and

interesting

but guys this is what i wanted to get to

there are actually in fact only two

classes okay there are only actually two

real classes

classes okay

and

the classes these two classes

are the result

of formal political equality

formal political equality specifically

as its relevance to the sphere of

exchange the exchange of goods okay the

exchange of goods why is this

why does the

formal political equality that allows

all of us

to exchange goods as equals

and enter into relationships

contractually rather than based on

tradition or bondage or slavery or

serfdom or whatever you want to call it

yes the bourgeoisie and the proletariat

are in fact the only two

classes if we take class

if we're talking about the essence of

what class is there's only two classes

and the presupposition of class

this the only way we can arrive at the

true essence of class is if we in our

heads even hypothetically as a thought

experiment just assume that everyone is

politically equal assume that everyone

is equal and is free to enter into

contractual exchanges with one another

rather than exchanges an association

that's based in tradition or based in um

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bondage forced some kind of forced

bondage like serfdom okay

this is where we see class this is where

class makes itself evident

and uh

this is the reason why okay

the reason why is very simple

inevitably

okay inevitably when we're all equal

actors selling our goods

there's one good

that's also needs to be sold okay

and you know this as labor

but why is that significant why is this

create such a paradox why does this

create such an antagonism why is it such

an antagonism that on the one hand goods

are sold physical things are sold and

exchanged and

brought onto the market and on the other

hand labor is why does labor why is

labor such an important exception it's

very simple it's a very simple type of

arithmetic it's a very simple

uh you don't need anything complicated

to think about why labor is so

significant ready

because for all the goods that are going

to be exchanged on the market

labor

is the condition of possibility of those

goods labor abstractly defined just

means the thing that is the source of

all those goods so the paradox of labor

as something that becomes sold

as a good

similar in the way that you would sell

rice and beans and [ __ ] bread and i

don't know what else you know you would

you'd be a craftsman selling jewels and

pottery or whatever you want the reason

why it's so paradoxical that labor

itself becomes sold as just another good

is because labor is actually the source

of all goods labor in the abstract and

this is formally true this is even

formally true

when you're paid for your you're not

paid

for you're paid for your labor

abstractly in wages and money okay

you're paid for your labor abstractly

um

so this is even formally true okay

um

this is the source of class okay because

some people must primarily sell their

own labor okay

not only their own labor but labor in

general which they participate in

because remember labor is social some

people the majority of people

at least if we presuppose this pure

equality of citizens

some people

are going to be selling labor itself

labor which is the source of goods and

some people will only sell goods

okay

some people will sell goods and

sell

buy labor in order to produce goods and

some people will only be able to sell

labor itself

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that is the proletariat in the

bourgeoisie you can think of the fact

that there's only two classes in this

very simple sense

class has to sell labor another class

sells the product of labor one class

sells labor one class sells the product

of labor labor very simply refers to the

human and social conditions of

possibility of the product this is why

it's so paradoxical i will sell you

um

a jacket which is the example marx likes

to use in capital i will sell you a

jacket which crystallizes a certain

amount of labor some people will sell

the labor itself that makes the jacket

possible

the conditions of the possibility of

products are social

and human in nature okay they don't come

from nowhere

with the whole question of automation

that's become more complicated and i'll

get to that but i just want us to all be

on the same page about this

enver hoja okay based i guess

uh

so far uh there's 24 likes which is

crazy 29 viewers and 24 likes that means

only five people haven't liked it that

is a crazy proportion

so so far is the chat following me on

this or is there something

should i elaborate more or

are you following me or uh

how have i been doing as far as the

presentation is concerned

because i want to be able to you know

i want to be able to address everybody's

confusion you're following great to hear

tovah great to hear it's it's quick

because

if you can if everybody's following we

can we can expand it we can go even

further in this rabbit hole falling very

digestible i'm glad to hear that i'm

glad to hear that one some feedback i

always get is that i'm very

incomprehensible i'm schizophrenic and i

don't ever make sense so i'm really glad

to hear you guys

be able to understand this i'm listening

but i wanna do not worry about

interrupting me punjab don't worry about

interrupting me okay i'm here for you

guys there's a there's a few of enough

of you here for me

for me to be able to attend to your

specific

questions and concerns i must say okay

now i want to get to this okay

i've talked about what a class is and

i've talked about the premises of a

class the premise of class right is

political and formal equality but this

political and formal equality is not

in the either it's not abstract it's

instantiated

in a state or a nation by the way guys

if if you just hear this my ac is on so

if you hear i'm acting my heaters on if

you hear background noise let me know

control the labor power no no no no neat

i don't know if you're trolling neat do

not

forget about control okay

forget about control everybody just

focus on this simple fact we are all

equal

agents in the marketplace all of the

relations we're entering in with one

another are based on contractual

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equal relationships it's not about

control it's simply about the fact that

some people are selling goods and some

people have to sell the very source of

those goods because the source of those

goods

is social and human in nature

work is what produces those goods now

this whole question of automation and

all these confusions i'll get to but i

want you guys to x out the political

elements because when we're introducing

politics we're losing the ball okay to

understand class you need to forget

you need to think of politics only

abstractly yes it's premised by politics

and i'll get to that but just assume

everyone is equal politically if you

assume that you're gonna arrive at the

essence of class when you start talking

about control this may cover class

relations but it's not actually what's

essential okay because even if we're all

equal

formally as citizens

some inevitable paradox of class is

still arising you made enough sense to

me but i have a tendency to follow

disparate strands of thought that don't

seem connected

that's schizomel gang i guess that's it

yeah clear okay glad to hear it neat and

i think i'm gonna keep this video up

actually

because you guys are having such great

feedback to it and apparently you guys

are following and i'm really glad to

hear that so i'm going to keep this

video up

um okay

i'm glad we're on the same page as that

we understand

control

forget about control right now right we

don't want to talk think about control

it's way more

guys not to go on off on a tangent but

this whole issue with control and

domination is actually something based

in the information age

what we call the information age because

with cybernetics which is a loaded word

with the computer age and the

information age you're dealing with huge

structures and systems of scale so this

issue of control and information and

feedback

that's why control has become so

significant

in the way marxists are presenting class

but they're forgetting the actual

origins in history

that made this concept necessary and

possible dialectic materialism is about

materialism okay let me just

continue on this for now

and we can go to other things maybe

later get this stream to 50 likes my

final message goodbye see you later

quindy really glad to have you here and

uh thank you so much for for the support

seriously you gotta go yeah it's fine

man we're not going to hold it to you

you know

you don't have to be here out of guilt

you know we um we'll be we're going to

keep streaming you know it's completely

fine

um

but anyway

just so we're on the same page right

guys

condensing what i just said okay first

we have something called

political formal equality neoclassicist

roman

uh republican equality of citizens

presupposing this

which means that all of the relations

that we're entering in on the

marketplace are based on voluntary and

free contracts contractual association

right

um this is liberalism by the way more or

less liberalism this is the meaning of

liberalism is this

these relationships are purely defined

by explicit voluntary and contractual

relationships this is basically

liberalism so that's why it existed in

england

um

presupposing this

some people are selling goods and some

people are selling the very means by

which goods are possible which is labor

and this can even be a uh

uh

a hypothetical construction you can even

imagine this introduce this in your head

as just something that makes sense

it doesn't even have to express itself

as a real phenomena you you can

anticipate the proletariat before the

proletariat even exists just from this

basic fact we have goods

the requirements for the realization of

goods are social and human in nature

specifically in the form of labor

therefore some people the only goods

that they're going to have

is the very conditions of goods

possibility labor and it's kind of

paradoxical because

labor is included as just one good among

yenni

among others and yet labor is only

defined as what you need for goods to be

possible

you see what i'm saying

so we're on the same page

okay

now let me explain to you very simply

why we our views are heterodox and we

diverge from western marxism and we

think western marxists don't have a

dialectical or materialist view of class

because

keep in mind what i just said and this

is where you should have turned

something on in your head when i said

this it presupposes formal political

republican equality that's based in a

policy that's based in nation

but there's two problems with that

one this formal equality doesn't exist

in the either somewhere it's instanced

in some kind of common political

institution

some kind of common polity some kind of

definite determinant state some real

thing the french state doesn't exist in

the either it's something that actually

exists in reality and if it actually

exists in reality

then its premises are material it

doesn't come from nowhere so we cannot

make the assumption actually that

everyone is an equal citizen for two

very simple reasons

the first reason

is that there are different states

moreover there are different nations and

nations give rise to states right there

are different nations and there are

different states

the second most important reason is that

even when you consolidate some kind of

formal equality it's always incomplete

i'm going to give you an example of why

it's always incomplete what is a western

marxist i'll get to it i'll get to it

don't worry but let me just complete

this kind of point and then i'm gonna do

a check to make sure to see if you guys

are still following me on this because i

know this stuff is

uh

this is really kind of territory that's

heterodox and it gets me in a lot of

trouble with marxists when i get here

western marxist i should say so

back to what i was saying even when

you've created formal

equality in the eyes of the state

republican equality that allows all of

us to be equal participants in the

market

this is never complete this is never

fully consolidated

and the reason is very simple right it's

what i just said

the foundations of the polity you guys

know what a polity is a polity is a more

general word for a state but it's more

general because a polity can refer to

any type of instantiation of political

power

that encompasses a people so that's

a polity a policy is just a more general

word for a state i don't really like the

word state that much i prefer polity

it's more specific

a polity because a polity is determined

in particular the way in which it's able

to recognize and give recognition to the

people over whom it rules is going to be

limited and i'm going to give you france

actually as the very example of this

so france is a polity right

france recognizes all of its people as

equal as equal citizens who are free but

here's the problem because it is

materially limited because it's

determinate and real the state

the extent of the city of the people

living in france

who are able to be recognized by the

institution of the french state the

polity

is inevitably going to be limited it's

going to be limited specifically to the

people who are first and foremost

geographically close to the institutions

out of which this state exerts its power

the cities in the countryside

the majority of the french nation maybe

they are going to be excluded

by these institutions

not um

not because the institutions don't want

them but because the institutions are

materially limited in their ability to

encompass all of the people in the

polity over which

it

has dominion okay

so

institutions

okay

institutions

of the state

that

i'm going to use an alto syrian word

that interpolate

people as citizens equal citizens

are materially definite and therefore

finite and limited

the only way in which

oh sorry i'm gonna be right back uh i

just have one sec

sorry i just have food okay um sorry for

cutting myself off

um

the uh

the um

sorry i'm trying to get my back to my

train of thought

the polity right even within a nation a

nation

is going to be limited

in regards to its material foundation in

the people

you have the majority of the people and

you have institutions

that give that interpolate the people as

equal citizens

but these institutions are materially

limited and definite they're finite

they're not inevitably going to

encompass everyone there's aspects of

the people that it necessarily is going

to

um not be able to take into account

because the people are infinite the

people are material they're infinite in

a sense right they're the very

foundation of these institutions the

institutions are finite

do you guys follow me on this so far

the first one i think you understand

which is that there are different states

and there are different polities that's

the first mistake marxists overlook

there's different states and there's

different polities but even within the

states and the polities

the way in which

institutions

make their people universal and equal

citizens is limited does that make sense

to you guys or no

because now we're entering really tough

waters

all clear so far really glad to hear

that malik

following okay glad to hear it guys

um yep

i'm kind of lost not gonna lie

but i'm not fully paying attention okay

neat do you want me to help you like

what are you lost about

jennifer eisen what the heck what's up

jennifer um

you you've missed a lot of this stream

so

um

you might be a little lost where we're

at right now but um

that's okay i'm gonna keep reiterating

and giving a rundown of summary of where

we were for new viewers

um

what was your last sentence my last

sentence was that there are two reasons

why the marxist the western marxist view

of class is flawed the two reasons are

simple

as we've already said the presupposition

of class

the essence of class is formal political

equality

where everyone is an equal on the

marketplace

only after this does the paradox of

class arise why because some people are

selling goods

whereas other people are selling

what is abstractly defined as the source

of the goods themselves labor

paradoxically labor is treated as just

another good even though it's the source

of all goods in the first place

this has been far more digestible and

engaging than most of the lectures i had

at uni and yeah i'm really glad to hear

like i said everyone says i'm a schizo

i'm incomprehensible and nothing i say

makes sense

so that's really it's kind of surprising

even that you guys are saying this and

i'm really glad of it i'm really you

know grateful for it

um

but i'm just explaining why the

prevailing view of class is flawed it's

because okay so you get that right okay

and the two reasons the two reasons

the reason why that's a problem bruno is

that one

polities the schedule part is the fun

part this is a chill stream on sunday so

i'm dialing it down a little bit but

during the week don't if i have time

during the week because i have some

stupid [ __ ] i gotta attend to trust

me the schizo will come back now it's

all good can relate to la you're

actually very

lapidary

i'm gonna look that up right now not to

distract too much but i have no idea

what that means what is lapidary

relating to stone and gems and work

involved in grading cutting and

polishing

um

so sharp like it's like simple and

clear-cut

um

[ __ ] no it's that's not the word i meant

that's okay um let me just get back to

it okay

so

i want you guys to think about this in

the contemporary context in america

specifically why is there a distinction

between cities and the countryside

what's called the countryside

is it because there's something specific

about agriculture

well maybe

maybe but in the united states and many

other countries

and also this is another important thing

countries where the rural countryside is

formed by nomads who are not

agricultural laborers

and that's was also true historically

the rule is not really defined

by agriculture the rule is more is

actually defined by the place that is

outside of these materially limited and

finite institutions that make all of us

equal formally equal

or at least formally recognized in some

way

okay the reason cities

contrast so much with

the countryside

is because in cities right

the institutions geographically this is

what i'm saying the internet actually

complicates this in really interesting

ways

but geographically speaking the reason

cities are so different

from countryside is because within

cities the institutions that give

recognition to us

as formally equal are that's the center

of those institutions so that's where

those institutions are able to

immediately exert

um the power

so

that's why cities are bubbles they're

echo chambers they're safe spaces

that's why institutions in america are

the same way especially institutions

materially limited institutions yeah the

points we were trying to say jennifer

but we were speaking in the 19th century

context i kind of fast forwarded

applying it to america today is that

every type of polity and the word polity

just means a more general word for a

state i don't like the word state

because i think it's too specific i like

the word polity a polity just refers to

some type of political dominion that

encompasses people

basically but every polity is is finite

and therefore materially limited a

polity also has material premises but

marxists never have given recognition in

the west to the material premise of a

polity itself and in fact formally

speaking mao zeitung was the first

marxist

that i know of at least who gave

recognition to the polity as actually

something materially definite

that's the whole point of mao's

encircling the cities from the

countryside and that's the whole reason

why mao had three worlds theory and all

those kinds of stuff in the first place

it's why chinese marxism is generally so

much more advanced but i'm not going to

go off on it you know because the schizo

side is coming and i'm going off on a

tangent about things let's just keep

focused on where we've we are right now

um

in regards to this whole thing about the

policy okay

um

okay so the reason there's a distinction

between

cities and the countryside

you guys know why there's a distinction

then the reason is very simple because

the countryside just refers to

the great majority of masses of people

who are by default excluded from the

state's institutions and the state's

formal equality not because the state is

actively excluding them but because

there's aspects about the uh about the

countryside that cannot be reined in or

domesticated by the state or its

institutions there's aspects

of these people in the countryside their

living being their way of life that

resists this full

um

this full domestication by the state

that interpolates them as equal

formal citizens or just instantiated

institutions in general

it's true most people likely benefit

from the institutions don't want them to

change

well i'm going to get to why marx

marxists in the west get everything

wrong okay

i'll just go straight to it right now

what are what asks are the aspects of

resistance well jennifer i think in the

intuition um i think i can make this

pretty clear and you'll understand what

i mean

um

think about how

think about the coronavirus crisis now i

live in michigan not the docks myself

yes the hillbillies exactly it's a it's

everyone knows that the countryside is

more wild than cities countryside people

are less obedient

to authorities than people in cities in

the countryside people are more

independent they're more you know

they're more rebellious in general um

i think we and on an intuitive level

every i think we can all get that right

um

the people who storm the capital um

you know that's another example

there so that's what i mean by

resistance and think about the

coronavirus also uh the people least

likely to follow the rules about coronal

virus and most likely to

not have a respect for the authorities

are people in the countryside i mean

just intuitively i mean factually if

it's true or not

just put that on the back burner in our

intuitions we think this right and like

and i think there's a reason why we

think that always not always law trust

me

okay i don't know if that's directed to

me but

um

okay so here's the issue with western

marxists

uh going on top of that right

piggybacking off of that the issue with

western marxists is that

the essence

of class

seems to be disclosed in these cities

because it's in cities

that we are um

formally equal okay

what's up evan glatz uh sorry

what's up evan how are you doing

everybody

no i've been following continue

you guys know evan right

hey what's up everybody thank you for

joining us yeah yeah guys get this

welcome get this we have 27 likes and 28

viewers

isn't that [ __ ] crazy that means

almost everyone here liked this video

that is [ __ ] insane

that is so impressive we've never we've

never done that before we appreciate

that so much guys

that's such a compliment you know

um

so uh kind of getting back to what i was

saying

marxists in the west have always made a

fatal assumption a fatally wrong and

idealist assumption actually an idealist

assumption

but okay what's up no more libs

um jennifer let me get to jennifer's

question but you stated seems to be in

terms of class in the cities

well yeah in the cities

um let's i won't say seems to be i'll

just say straight in cities it's clear

right

that

people are somehow

much more um

formally equal in cities

people are more free in cities in the

sense that in the countryside you're

weighed down by your traditions and your

family and all these kinds of things

or maybe you're a serf

actually historically in the middle ages

you were a surf working in in the

countryside if you escaped you'd move to

these cities and that'd be a fresh start

right so in a city right that's where

actually people are

interpolated

to use this heavy altusarian word which

i can explain it basically just means

branded if you will

by the state as

formally equal citizens republican

equality right who are who enter into

relationships on a contractual basis on

a fresh basis

they don't enter into relationships

based on tradition they enter into

relationships on a fresh basis and

the only way to validate whether those

relationships are voluntary or not is

through contracts

and now in the west

you uh you're seeing a tendency i don't

want to go off on a tangent but you're

seeing a tendency in which everything

seems to be contractual and this is

really the decline of liberalism i've

seen people who say that

a baby needs to give consent to change

its diaper it needs to sign a contract

for its diaper to be changed

because changing the baby's diaper is

not

is a violation city

versus countryside is an important

conversation

no more libs you're so right about that

and we're trying to really clarify on a

theoretical level why that is and why

western marxists have always gotten it

wrong

and we're trying to work with everyone

in the chat so guys reminder if any of

you are kind of not being able to follow

when there's anything confusing about

this

please say so because i have time for

all of you there's not that many people

here so i do have time for every single

one of you and i want everyone to be

able to walk away with something

um anyway um

on the urbanite question

anyway

um

so uh marxists make the mistake that

so they

observe correctly they observe that in

the cities that is actually where

class is being revealed

because in cities

that is actually where people are

formally equal citizens entering into

relationships based on contractual

and formally free association

okay

um

but marxists make a fatal and idealist

mistake

um

intellectual types tend to have

chauvinistic tendencies toward country

people i know but leonardo for so long

they've justified it theoretically and

i'm here now to really lay lay it down

why they're wrong theoretically and why

actually there's a complete betrayal of

marxism we know intuitively i think all

of us know intuitively that countryside

is more revolutionary than cities we

know intuitively that peasants are more

revolutionary than intellectuals we know

intellectuals are basically

counter-revolutionary petite bourgeois

and so on but we've only been able to

rely on our intuitions we have these

marxist nerds who come to us acting as

priests telling us that on this

theoretical level ultimately despite our

institutions

marx disagrees with us

we're wrong in terms of marxism

theoretically our intuitions so i'm here

to really try to explain to you guys

even though you might already have the

intuition

why this is theoretically true as well

um and all of obviously these people on

bread tube and unfortunately even some

marxist leninists um

they're not they're also reproducing

this problem of

this kind of misinterpretation of

marxism that comes from the west okay

so

so what follows from this is basically

that

this is why initially marx and engels

committed the error and i can say it was

an error because they themselves would

admit to this fact later in their lives

and if they didn't admit it explicitly

and say the words this was an error they

admitted it in practice by denouncing it

and disagreeing with it later in life

which is this idea

that the communist revolution

or the proletarian revolution is going

to occur in the more advanced polity

the logical consequence not only of it

occurring in the more advanced polity

is also that

it will occur in the

cities of that polity rather than the

countryside so you see it's a double

error

it's it's a logical conclusion first you

say

the backward places are not advanced

enough

it's gonna have to happen in the

advanced countries

then you say even in those advanced

countries it's going to happen in the

enlightened cities where everyone is um

politically formally equal and the

countryside is too backward and this is

a fatal double ear error and this error

actually can't account

and um

but i don't think marx was wrong because

i think marxists have made an assumption

uh

about marx on his position they made the

assumption of stageism they took for

granted the fact that actually marx was

always a dialetician marx always thought

about this dialectically and that's why

if you look at his analysis of the

french

of the 18th premier right

and the civil war in france and other

works

marx makes it very clear that the french

revolution the new french revolution

requires an alliance

between the city proletariat the people

who will

carry out the paris commune and the

majority the great majority of the

french people to lead a people's

revolution because

the error western marxists have made

drawing from anglo-saxon metaphysics was

this idea

that

um this is all occur occurring

chronologically in time

okay

sequentialism

first it's backward and the backward

evolves into the

um more advanced but this takes this is

undialectical because for a dialectical

view they exist simultaneously um

simultaneously

uh in time there's not a temporal

difference

and the the [ __ ] the russian social

democrats as they were called in the

beginning

engaged in a fierce debate about this

the economist of russian social

democracy said that russia was too

backward and that

there shouldn't be any political

revolution in russia because there needs

to be an economic transformation first

the mensheviks

were a little step below that and they

said there will be a political

revolution which will be led by the big

city liberal bourgeoisie

the bolsheviks were the only ones to

interpret

marx's class analysis

as one that is simultaneous in time

meaning all of these things actually

exist at the same time it's not

referring to some

chronological wig history of

backward becoming more advanced there's

a dialectical insight that you have to

derive from this that is now that is in

time interesting that was my concern

about revolutionary change if on an

international scale wouldn't it be

better to focus on countries with the

most revolutionary potential in the

imperial core

well if we're living in a polity we are

responsible

i think for our relationship to that

polity

um

i don't necessarily agree with that

um

but i think it's wrong to say

that countries are too backward for

revolution

and because the logical consequence of

this in our own country is people like

vosh who are saying

that people in the countryside are too

backward and unenlightened and that the

people liberals in the city who are

enlightened that's the actual source of

leftist movements and socialism in the

united states and it's a fatal error and

if you think about this very practically

in america okay the consequences of this

error are what we see marxists in

america are very arrogant intellectuals

who look down upon the majority of the

people in their own country they think

they're better in than the majority of

people in their own country

and they have this idea that the people

in the cities the these

institutionalized and over-socialized

safe space type people that live in

cities

uh are better than people in the country

and that's why they're kind of these sam

cedar type point dexter you know nathan

robinson

vosh i don't care who you call them

these really nerdy they have really

nerdy demeanors you have very few

marxists that have the demeanor of a

good old communist as they were

understood in the past somebody who was

you know

more rough around the edges in their

personality somebody who was you know

who wasn't so timid and so nerdy and you

know

uh

this is a great explanation people on

the left really need to get what you're

saying i know and i just i've been

trying so hard to like say it as simply

as i can you know

um

makes toast i'm really glad this is

making sense for you guys i'm really

really glad this is making sense for you

guys and it's crazy how we have 30 likes

and 28 viewers so we have even more

likes than viewers right now and that is

insane

yeah that is insane

agreed you can even see it in mexico

there's places that are semi-feudal here

still the city people are very

technocratic and jorge knows all about

that and he's explained it a lot

at great length but i kind of want to

continue on this point if that's all

right and without divulging too much and

uh yeah we can always come back that's

yeah we'll come back to it but i'm sure

jorge has a lot

uh to say on this i mean a lot he's he's

educated us and told us everything about

what's going on in mexico and how can

wash be a nerd when he doesn't even read

her lies well jennifer i for me a nerd

is not someone who reads

a nerd is someone who uses the pretense

to of intellectual truth

as a source of arrogance and a way to

look down upon humanity it's people who

think that if you're book smart it means

you're street smart but actually people

who are book smart are some of the most

stupid people you could ever meet

uh being street smart is way more

important than being book smart

um hell yeah i was talking about the

reactionary character of nerds yeah i

mean

uh

jorge looks like he disagrees okay okay

um okay i'll let jorge if you guys want

okay go ahead and um maybe give

uh

um

okay uh

i think

um

so uh

basically

just to get this ball rolling again

the countryside

if this if you guys can follow the

polity the state has to also be

understood as definite in particular and

also materially limited

and the material foundation of the state

the polity lies in the countryside

that's why we see the distinctions that

we do between the city and the

countryside and marxists have always

made the mistake of thinking that

because the essence of class reveals

itself in the cities that that is

actually the site of the class struggle

but they don't understand

they mistaken the site of a revelation

of appearance with the sight of being of

actual existence

okay

it may be true

that the proletariat

emerges in cities

but all that does is tell us something

about

the being

but it doesn't actually mean it's the

same thing as being itself that's why

peasants have more revolutionary

potential ultimately well it's not that

they have more revolutionary potential

because when states are overthrown it

tends to happen from cities but think

about mao and circling the cities from

the countryside it's not always the case

not to suck you off but the stuff you

are saying is what i've been thinking

for years this is spot i'm glad really

glad to hear that no more lives

and we don't see it as you sucking us

off at all we we believe you okay

because we know that intuitively a lot

of people really feel this way but we

have a lot of these fake marxists who

are coming here and saying no your

intuition is wrong actually according to

marxism the more advanced

uh city proletariat is better than the

country backward country side and we're

trying to demonstrate how from a

theoretical marxist perspective this is

a gross distortion of

marx that has its origin in western

marxism

my org has a lot of success in building

the rural parts of our state recently no

other marxist group even tries this

i would say this

the class struggle the essence of class

struggle is revealed to us first in the

advanced countries in england and in

cities

but it's a canary in the coal mine it's

only revealed there

it reveals something about being

the real stakes of this class struggle

is always going to be about the majority

of the people who are excluded

from the institutional equality that is

the very premise

of this apparent class struggle that's

going on in the cities

and this revolution is not just about

the injustice of an inequality the

revolution the object the objectivity of

social revolution basically lies in this

simple fact

institutions are materially limited

states are materially limited

not only are they materially limited by

the countryside the countryside being

the foundation but they inevitably enter

into contra contradiction with their

premises

merely by the confrontation itself

when the state confronts the countryside

when the polity confronts the

countryside its own material foundation

this inevitably gives rise to a conflict

because there's an aspect of the

countryside that is not able to be

domesticated by the state or the polity

and the polity responds to this fact by

basically crucifying the people the

countryside by basically um

it's almost in an exterminationist way

and it's not only obviously this isn't

only internal to a policy it's also true

for the relationship between different

polities and nations i mean we know this

the quintessential example of this is

colonialism and imperialism i think all

marxist leninists understand what i mean

when i say it in that way but that

almost um not in terms of the severity

and brutality but structurally speaking

the same relationship

is also going on internally with the

countryside of these own countries and

the reason is very simple the material

foundation of the polity lies in the

countryside

but

the polity does not accept its own

material foundation damn so like what

happened when i was long

i've been basically trying to give a

rundown of what class is and the

implications of it

for marxist

um

we cannot actually make the error of

just saying

so it's the peasants versus the city and

that's it because

the peasants are what gives rise to the

city itself cities come from the

countryside guys

cities basically

um form when people run away from the

countryside and

you know

it's it's inevitable so the real

stakes of marxism or communism or

whatever you want to call it

doesn't lie

in just siding with the countryside

against the cities i mean that's a

materialistic instinct you should have

yes the material foundation is the

countryside but the real significance of

marxism because that's nothing new guys

i mean populism has always been

inevitable jimmy dore

is speaking to something

without ever having to even think about

marxism so is maybe alex jones and maybe

donald trump was doing that too

they didn't have to think about marxism

and yet the subjective social

contradiction is revealing itself

no in fact the real significance of

marxism

is basically

lies in

the aftermath

the real significance of marxism is

basically

the um

the aftermath of this social revolution

where institutions will inevitably

be um

more amicable and more

encompassing of the people over whom

they exercise dominion a good example of

this happened actually during the new

deal

fdr

frank franklin delano roosevelt

he appoint who did he appoint

as his secretaries and his cabinet he

appointed country folk from texas and

wherever else these simple people

into government he wanted these people

the reason he wanted these people is

because the new deal corresponded to an

objective social revolution

that expanded america's

state and institutions to encompass and

reflect

more of its people than it did before

okay that's kind of almost something

that's inevitable but the real

significance of marxists is to assume

leadership over this inevitable social

revolution the real significance of

marxists is to say yes we are with the

peasants against the country but a

transformation does inevitably await the

peasants and the peasants must

prepare themselves for the inevitability

of change we don't even know what that

change will necessarily look like

it's just that what's revealed in the

cities

shows us marxists

that there is a fundamental class

antagonism that's why even if we make

all of us formally equal to try to

bridge the gap between town and country

there's still going to be a class

contradiction

and that's what marxists are here for

they're here to lead the people

through this contradiction

the most popular politician that brought

up class issues in america came out of

vermont i mean exactly and we've been

seeing this

i mean guys it's it's it's ridiculous

because

the reason we have rule-minded leftists

isn't because they arrived at it

theoretically it's just from its it's so

self-evident

that they couldn't even help just cave

in and say okay yes and it's the same

for marxism leninism

we don't have marxist leninist because

the majority of western marxist

leninists have arrived have arrived at a

consistent and coherent

theoretical view of

why marxism is compatible with all these

experiences it's just because of the

fact it's so self-evident that why are

these revolutions happening in the third

world

why are these revolutions happening in

these anti-imperialist

situations and they have to cave in and

just call a spade a spade and accept the

fact but they haven't actually

reconciled their intuitions with marxism

at this more fundamental theoretical

level rather they've almost conceded

marxism

to these nerds so to speak

in having the pretense of

listen what about trailer parks i mean

that's another thing but yes that's

where the people are you know

i don't i'm not gonna hear the cause b

for drama you know we defend caleb we're

big fans of caleb but i even see caleb

sometimes

repeating

these dogmas of

western marxism sometimes

but that doesn't reflect caleb's actual

positions politically caleb has an

anti-imperialist type of position and so

on and so on

it's just an example guys okay

even marxist leninists inevitably get

bogged down

by the dogmas

of traditional western marxism they just

make an exception almost allowing

themselves to be inconsistent

theoretically

to submit and give way to

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the basic what's

basically self-evident and unavoidable

about basic experience

if marxism is telling us that

revolutions are only going to happen in

the most advanced countries and yet the

real revolutions aren't happening in

those countries

you know marxist leninists are just the

people who are saying

okay but you know this is the fact

historically you know we may not know

how to make sense of it theoretically

but

it's just what's it's so self-evident we

can't keep denying reality

i think what maybe might distinguish us

but we don't want to knock on an open

door

is that we are

reconciling marxism leninism with

traditional real classical marxism of

marks and angles there is nothing

nothing inconsistent

about the experience of marxism leninism

with

the most original discovery of marx

himself

it's completely consistent

um so how do you speak to people in the

countryside without pandering them and

that's a very very good question neet

it's an excellent question

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you first have to embrace the fact

that there is a difference okay you do

have to embrace the fact

you can't just larp and pretend to be

you're from the countryside you have to

acknowledge the fact that there is a

contradiction there is a difference

between the polity and the countryside

and that you're inevitably going to

embody this contradiction in a sense

yourself even the maoists during the

chinese civil war

oftentimes would be accused of being too

you know

too advanced in a sense too

futuristic or too modern you know but

they were also paradoxically also

accused of being too backward

so that's how you know you've hit the

sweet spot

and with both the bolsheviks were the

exact same way the bosovics were on the

one hand too modern and too new and too

futuristic and on the other hand they

were too backward and too

vulgar and

and so on and so on that's the sweet

spot but the way you speak to people in

the countryside is also

don't assume

distill the essence

of their situation and the essence is

going to come at the expense of the

appearance

and what i mean by that basically is

that

don't pander to them

but

speak

uh

speak to the common object of their

striving

give form

and speak

to the people of the countryside

what they know intuitively but don't

know maybe culturally or you know

intellectually even obviously

name something that they know and

understand

in their hearts but they don't have the

words to describe

that's what more what i mean speak a

language that they understand but never

had the words to make sense of

and this is how you can speak to people

from the countryside without pandering

yes you are coming from somewhere else

you can't just pretend to be one of them

you have to work with them you have to

gain their trust on this basis

um

we marxists are inevitably going to be

intellectuals it's there's no way around

that we are people who read a lot and

you know we concern ourselves with very

abstract things

that are far from being relevant

at a directly practical level that is

inevitable

but you have to distinguish yourself

from the metropolitan intellectuals

similar to you and entering into a

dialogue and mutual

um engagement with the majority of the

people

in your country in your polity as i like

to say people in the countryside will

not care for [ __ ] be honest and

forthcoming but also let them know what

you're fighting for and how will benefit

them

while building on the common house i

think the important thing is don't

disguise who you are and that's why i'm

wondering guys i wonder if

the cpu usa can be revived

because why not just admit we're the

good old communists p they they're going

to call the left communists either way

there's no way around that there's no

way around the fact

that the enemy is going to call you that

but at least the cp usa has tradition

in this country i don't like the

politics of the cp usa and i don't like

its leaders and i don't like their

positions

but i like the brand

and i'm interested in the brand it's a

very national american you know

rooted in it has a tradition it has name

recognition

so i wonder if the cpusa might have some

kind of future

you know you can't disguise where you're

coming from yes yes we're communists but

maybe you can show the people what it

means to be a communist

lead by example don't worry about the

fact that they're gonna label you a

demon maybe show them what a demon can

do show them what it means to be this

kind of demon and they'll change what

they think about it and that's why my

biggest advice to you guys

if you're living in these communities at

least or you're engaging them and

somehow

is that what you need to do

okay what you need to do is

lead um

teach by example if you want people to

know what communism is be a community

leader help the people in your community

use the

little little it might be the smallest

ounce of privilege you have that allows

you to have the free time to care about

all this abstract stuff

use that to help the people in their

basic everyday lives gain their trust

and then they can say well hell if

that's a communist i'm a communist too

who cares about the label right evan

brought up in the past that this is what

people in the black community were

saying about the panthers you remember

what you said

yeah yeah exactly

uh they were talking about the fact

people would come up and say oh you know

they're a socialist organization they

say

they feed my kids that's socialism and

we we go to the hospital we have

healthcare that's so okay

and yeah yeah we're panthers we're

socialists it's simple

it's as simple as that guys it the

labels don't matter what they mean

concretely is what matters you can call

yourself a communist but you should show

them what that actually means

don't worry about whatever thing they

have in their head that they they think

of it

because at the end of the day it comes

down to action right yeah yeah the rest

is just chit chat yeah don't tell people

come you don't know what communism is

communism is actually a moneyless

classless society it's a really popular

meme but it's meaningless don't even

don't you know explain all these you

don't have to worry about that stuff be

a good person be an effective leader and

they'll care about what communism is

when they see that they'll see how it's

wrecked they'll see how the deeper

harmony makes sense and it'll even it'll

even open their eyes to history they'll

say

i can see

what this person is doing for my

community for my people what these

communists in the past were doing the

same thing for their people it'll

completely open up their horizons you

won't have to

educate people on this theoretical level

if you're an effective and good leader

the reason i wouldn't say cosmonaut

okay let me go down the chat sorry i've

been kind of neglecting would also be

fair to say that an advanced country

like the united states inner cities and

ghettos can play a similar role to the

countryside malik that's an excellent

point

that's true but for the black people

black people are also divided

between metropolitan

and countryside and inner cities and

ghettos do serve as the kind of

countryside of the black community but

that actually is something internal to

black people it's not the business i

don't think of white communists to try

to assume leadership of the black masses

it's the business of black people like i

said there's contradictions in polities

there's contradictions in nations

um

that's why intersectionality is wrong

we cannot assume an intersectional

position we can only focus on our own

people on our own polity okay we can't

be intersectional you know i can't

account for people

um

uh

i can't account for people living in

indonesia okay i just can't i can only

focus on my own people i can

try to fight against my state trying to

bother them

and i can work with the people of

indonesia on a mutual dialogue basis but

i can't actually intersectionally

account for every you know what i'm

saying

um that's why intersectionality is wrong

pc usa is the yeah sorry go ahead i was

quickly i think it goes back to the

question that jennifer had asked

just to touch on briefly something to

think about we're talking about

concerning about revolutionary change

if you're an international scale

wouldn't it be better to focus on

countries where the most revolutionary

potential than the imperial court

just like what you just said

you have to focus on your people

exactly yeah um

pc usa is the modern iteration of cpu i

know cosmonaut the only reason i bring

up cpusa is brand recognition and i

wonder because of how it's kind of like

the dsa where local chapters seem to be

really taken over i wonder how much is

knocking on an open door maybe the cpu

usa if you can make your case rationally

and logically and i think i could do

that at least

um

i think the cpusa can be

given a new leadership

um

i the reason the cpusa has bad politics

is because on a theoretical level a

certain orientation dominates

on its own merits it's the popular front

from the 1930s if you can theoretically

address this issue of the popular front

and convincingly and persuasively

explain

why the cpusa's position is mist the

conclusion it's drawn from the popular

front is mistaken maybe the cpusa

uh can become something can be led by a

different element

christopher hilally from the cpu say is

pretty based i'm not i know the name i'm

not too familiar with him but that

sounds really based how you described

him yeah everyone is quick to call

anyone left of center communist so why

not embrace it that's what i think too

we need a juche party in the usa

i think if there's anything very

specific to korea

it's juche

i heard the peace usa is doing a lot of

outreach in rural areas

the pc usa who is that

the reason i'm speaking about cposa guys

is the brand

i'm not saying it because i think

they're the best party politically but

they have the best brand and maybe

institutionally they're a very powerful

platform

so that's the reason i'm talking about

them it's not necessarily because i

think

they have good politics which they don't

they said to vote for biden

and they've always had these bad

politics

actions speak louder than aesthetics

they definitely do even though

aesthetics are very important and

aesthetics are another way in which you

show people the meaning you know

it's it's more effective to show people

communism through aesthetics than to

definitions for example i think the

majority of communists self-proclaimed

communists in america i know one way or

another became communists because they

listened to the soviet anthem or they

listened to

soviet music and

they saw all the aesthetics and they

just really liked it you know there's no

shame in admitting that

uh the reason is because there is a lot

of beauty in the soviet anthem there is

a lot of beauty in communist music and

its aesthetics and

it kind of manifests and reveals what

communism is even if you don't know how

or how to describe that intellectually

in a way that's more effective i think

than definitions

there's also the black pictures speak

louder than words to use

pride tunes

i agree themselves yes so you can't take

the aesthetic for granted

i agree with that a hundred i love that

pictures speak louder than words i love

that so much that's so true

yes

um

cp usa can only be revived the

leadership gave up

the

sorry the bs to be honest

i know what i mean who's going to

affect that i don't think they're going

to do it by themselves it has history

which is rich but the group seems to be

working against their own history i know

but their branches seem to have more

power than and

i don't see an effective

um exercise of central authority on part

of the cpu usa i think

it's run by very old people who are out

of touch with the local branches and i

think the local branches are

overwhelming the center

so that's something to think about

there's also the black belt in the south

fun fact is that stalin actually viewed

the black belt south

as the future basis for an independent

black state

and i somewhat agree with stalin's

position

i think it's far more effective at least

than this liberal kind of blm

moralizing yeah local branches seem

pretty based it's the leadership that

have the head in the sand

yeah hey guys uh what's up falcone north

korea is real korea

over the direction the party was going

oh pcos is a split from the cpo say i

see

well it's interesting it's interesting

uh i don't have all the answers but i'm

just telling you what i think maybe

maybe i could be wrong i'm open to being

wrong maybe there's something about the

cpu usa just just because of the

tradition you know just because of the

the brand i don't think you can build a

revolution in america america is an

empire so there might clearly double

down on the mode of production that's a

good

thing to bring up pride tunes is that

i'm not really convinced

that you just if you're a marxist you

just have this goal of revolution and

you should just try to affect the

revolution

it's not really about affecting a

revolution it's about establishing some

kind of concrete relationship

to the people

first and foremost and a revolution just

might be an inevitable consequence of

that i mean it will be an inevitable

consequence it's not something you

voluntarily enact a revolution is the

result of an objective process of some

kind

and the thing communists and marxists

are tasked with is making sense of

reality for the people because that's

actually not given a lot of people

assume that's given it's not it's really

i mean trump is and all these strange

things these strange trends in the

internet is proof that you can't take

for granted how people are making sense

of the world

so marxism taps into something

way more essential than just trying to

voluntarily affect a revolution it's not

what marxism is about marxism is about

establishing a dialectical and concrete

relationship um

between the most advanced and the lesser

advanced you know theory thought

and the people right this is really what

marxism is about simplifying it east

germany is real germany i mean jimmy

dore is not really calling for the

overthrow of the state but he's clearly

participating in the unfolding of an

objectively revolutionary process of

some kind i think everyone can see that

it's why a lot of tankies really like

jimmy dore

um america for the past 20 years has

been mastering the art of running the

country in permanent crisis mode

everything is a damn crisis

that is very true yeah i hate to say

that but it seems we are observing the

history of empire

yeah i mean um

it's i can't sit here and tell you that

america will just continue to exist

maybe the american polity we can't take

for granted maybe it will inevitably

collapse maybe it is collapsing as we

see it

um what i want to do though is give you

guys the right tools and just allow you

guys to begin from somewhere better than

what i see a lot of marxists on youtube

are trying to

begin you with because a lot of marxists

on youtube when they're telling you that

well class means power class means power

over the workplace um

communism is moneyless classless society

that's the meaning of communism it's all

it's a definition you know they're be

they're making you begin from a bad

place

i want you guys to begin from a better

place and be able to discover things

better on your own open up more channels

because they're really closing a lot of

doors on you when they're be having you

begin with that america won't be an

empire forever very true revolution

happens due to pre-existing

contradictions

very true bose big blade it's not

something you voluntarily enact

it's something that is the culmination

of an objective social revolution

marxists do not introduce this social

revolution they attempt to clarify it

there's a really big difference okay

that's why we infrared like jimmy dore

he's an example of this objective kind

of social

revolution or movement or whatever you

want to call it that it's not premised

by some voluntary act it's just existing

it's the result of a pre-existing

contradiction

i think a lot of western marxists also

don't understand between a nation and a

country yeah very true i think

revolution is possible if a weakness in

the permanent crisis strategy is

exploited

um

i think

uh well i'll get to the thing about

revolution later i don't think moxes

should be so focused on revolution

we should accept it's inevitable we

should we shouldn't be scared of it

um

but the

the point is not voluntarily enacting

some dramatic

revolution okay

it's more about being at peace with the

fact that it is inevitable and then you

know at the right time when it is time

and everything's in motion like you know

you learn from the bolshevik experience

when it's time you'll be able to tell

when it's time

like lenin was able to

um

but it's not a voluntary act

it's just responding to some objective

striving

um one way or another the united states

of america as it's constituted is going

down it's just a matter of what comes

next

we've we've argued that ourselves it's

just that so far it seems like

you know it's like i'm trying to hit and

be like is this mike on you know

it seems like with the biden you know

it's

especially what's going on in russia

maybe i'm going to do a stream later and

i'm going to break down vosh's

disgusting uh video about the russian

protests

but it's clear that there's a little bit

of juice left in the american empire and

we're patiently

seeing what's going on and observing and

we don't really know what to make of it

quite yet but that was our position

running up to the election the

inevitabilities in marxism are all

funded

upon pre-existing contradictions which

is why revolution is never good isn't

exactly bolstered blade and one thing

western marxists have a really tough

understand

tough time understanding is the

dialectic of freedom and necessity

which is basically the fact that just

because something is inevitable doesn't

mean it doesn't warrant your

participation your full participation

um there's

uh eastern ontologies understand the

dialectic

of determinism and free will or whatever

right it's very clear it's very evident

but westerners have a really hard time

with it uh apparently

subjective or subjective conditions yeah

revolution is a process revolution isn't

always about killing people with guns

and stuff yeah that seems more like a

fantasy you know it's a fantasy

fantasies maybe can't be bypassed but i

think my position on fantasies is that

put your fantasies to work you know

create things create beautiful works of

art

work with your fantasy put your fantasy

to work don't take your fantasy for

granted expand upon it

um water it take care of it cultivate it

like a garden that way you won't have to

actually larp in actual reality you know

use your imagination and your fantasy to

it can be productive it really can you

know the problem is when people try to

make their fantasy reality

and that's what you call a nightmare

right now the reactionary forces are

very very aggressive in america

fascism i don't know if i agree with the

fascism analysis and i'm not really

scared of the reactionary forces

what concerns me more is the biden

biden's aggression

biden seems far more aggressive far more

reactionary than the capitol hill

storming people i think that's going to

be very evident to leftists

very soon and it's going to hit them

like a brick from a mile away

revolution is a negation process to be

exact exactly [ __ ] blade and marxism

the point of marxism is the negation of

the negation what comes next how do you

think we should build up the class we

shouldn't look at it that way pride

tunes we don't build up class

contradictions we discover them

objectively that's

the thing you know you don't build up

anything

you just have to discover them and

clarify them as they actually exist i

didn't think navalny was any threat to

vlad we'll see you know

anarchists have jumped

on them yeah i know i don't know if we

should we have time for a navalny stream

but it's definitely something i'm

thinking about just reacting to vosh's

video and i might keep that up so maybe

he can respond to it

maybe it'll blow up i don't know i'm

sure it'll get a lot of dislikes though

um

see the oh the revolution will have

stages

i mean i don't the the thing there's no

there's no need to be fixated on

revolution so much revolutions are so

are things that happen very quickly

political ones i mean i mean they happen

very quickly you know uh they're not so

they're never like this dramatic you

know beautiful

a revolution is

by the time a revolution is possible

you know

everything is already in place anyway so

i don't think marxists need to be

worrying about a revolution i think they

need to be worrying about their

relationship to the objective

contradictions that might give rise to

one and so far their relationship

is more than unsatisfactory in countries

like america and the west reactionaries

tend to be paper tigers overall they are

nothing to be worried about

i very much agree with that view

jennifer

totally agree was thinking biden was the

reaction for okay i understand what you

mean then um taking notes cosmonaut

that's great yeah that's great that's

what that that's why i'm thinking about

keeping the stream up because

maybe um

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uh people you know will be just be able

to watch it again

yeah while american leftists are

screaming about proposed proud boy

fascists the actual threat

i know no more libs but they don't get

that yet but they're gonna get it pretty

soon

another thing i wanna do is that i wanna

keep the chat the live chat

in our video

but i don't know how to do that i don't

know how to like keep our chat so people

can see the chat

as they watch this video but we might

not

be able to do that let me see some

extreme settings

um unlist live replay oh no i'm gonna

on no wait unlist live replay once

stream ends

it's not enabled i don't know what's

going on

sorry viewer knows

yeah uh

unlist

what does that mean on list

um because it always says this street

this chat is not available after

um

sorry let's continue there are decades

where nothing happens exactly tova it's

exactly that like the fact that there

was an increase in evictions and people

being i know jennifer it's so clear what

that you know it's so clear what's going

on but marxist not only failed to

respond to this very self-evident crisis

we're in

there even an objective hamper on it

unfortunately youtube saves the chat

but okay yeah i'll i'll see i'll see

um

america has no left unfortunately that

is the case as of now it has no left

there's good figures people i would

consider good figures caleb maupin's a

good figure there's plenty of others

but unfortunately they are individuals

they're not

movements in themselves

i think you can keep the chat okay

as of current we need more studies yeah

that's what the stream is for you know

we want

look at what maupin's doing a think tank

is definitely that's really good to hear

that he's opening up a think tank

you know something i'm always conflicted

about guys is that

i want to have friendly dialogue with

other marxist leninist who i who we

might disagree with some things about

but the reason i don't want to pursue

that so much is that i don't want

i don't want to cause conflict among us

you know i don't want to i don't want it

to be as seen as conflict but just

you know friendly dialogue but

it's definitely not something i uh

um

i'm interested in like forcing you know

especially if people aren't interested

in that

but i'd love to have just a friendly

non-dogmatic very you know

way more even more friendly than the

vash and hakeem stream you know why

shouldn't we as marxist leninists have

conversations they don't have to be

debates they don't have to be hostile

interactions we can just exchange

different points of view there's no need

to be dogmatic i mean we sent out a

tweet not to plug in our twitter

shamelessly twitter.twitter.com

showinfred we shared a tweet saying

um

western marxists have no right to be as

dogmatic as they are

i mean because in a hundred years

they've done nothing so what do you have

to lose you know why not be open to

heidegger and

you know

i don't know uh

uh i'm talking about caleb and i'm also

watching a stream at the same time i'm

sure a lot of people are doing that i

think that's how it works in general

we're talking about similar points law

that's great to hear that's great to

hear and

yeah i mean we're really glad about

caleb's success and we want to all grow

together you know

it's important to note that u.s hegemony

is dying very true yes but we should

also be mindful of this the dialectic of

how

death could also be something productive

in the sense that uh it's not just death

some some like look what's going on in

russia i mean

it's kind of clear to me that what's

happening in russia

is a response to the biden victory

so

we're patiently looking and seeing

what's going on we've been expecting the

decline and fall of the american empire

for a long time

but

that doesn't mean new events aren't

going to happen they are happening unity

they possessed while trying to destroy

the eastern bloc as it was not connected

to the global financial system

yeah caleb seems chill to talk to yeah

he seems like a really chill guy i

actually like him a lot i searched and

apparently there is somewhere a setting

that you can have enabled called allow

live chat replay

thank you for that i'm gonna look at

that right now allow live chat replay it

maybe it's too late because i already

hit live

um

let me see edit

oh it might be here let me see details

live chat oh here it is

enable

uh

you and each other while your live

stream

wait

allow live chat to replay

um oh it's already saved

okay i don't know what's going on it

says enable live chat

what does that do

this fan

why your stream is in progress is it not

enabled now let's save that

um

sorry i don't i don't mean to distract

uh deaths can fertilize the earth

okay wait let me go back um

thank you

thank you i'm tired of seeing folks be

so hostile online yeah i agree but when

it comes to bread tube maybe it'll be a

little different because

uh i think bret tube has

actually said things like

kayla they want violence against tankies

and things like that so that's a

different story you know

maybe i'll be more mean if i do babe

wash that's can fertilize the earth what

is the origin what is the context of

that no more lips

check out bohemian dialogue might be

applicable to non-dogmatic explanation

yeah yeah maybe

try getting in contact with other

marxist youtubers for collabs we're

actually going to have a

really cool collab with ewoks unhinged

on friday i don't know if you guys know

who that is ewoks unhinged on friday

infrared is going to be collabing with

him on a live stream it's going to be

really based so check it out if you can

now it's time to move away from the

political sphere and enter the social

one learn from the panthers build trust

and build up communities i agree but

it's also important not to larp that's

an important point not to

assume that's what you meant but

sometimes people make that mistake

fertilize the rice fields you have to

look under the recording section of the

settings

um

the i don't see it recording settings

see the stream settings

oh in reference to what you said about

death and what oh okay i understand

about the death of america okay

understood

capitalist equals good fertilizer

it's dark

um

uh

i'm trying to find recording

uh i totally agree say no to larping

yeah that's good to hear you know a lot

of people just don't get that

um

yeah i don't see the recording part

manage no no i'm not gonna exit the

stream

um

okay it might be too late now but that's

okay because i'm reading chat and

people who watch this might be able to

see that

um

by the way i'm seeing

people following us on twitter thank you

so much for that guys

um

to be not blind

okay so guys i just want to basically

give a conclusion i might not end the

stream quite yet but i want to give a

conclusion to the point of the stream

um it's only been two hours

uh but basically will only been it's

relative

class is something that is relevant at

the level

of when there's already some kind of

equality let's just call it equality

but you can't assume the equality to

have already

come into being there's also a new

striving for a new type of revolutionary

um

the bourgeois revolution is not

something that happens temporally in the

future or the past it's something that's

co-temporal with the proletarian

revolution and it's not inherently

bourgeois either

the we call it bourgeois because of the

outcome not because of the premise

sometimes angles refer to the jacobin

dictatorship as a proletarian

dictatorship he has done that sometimes

it's because

the outcome is what makes it bourgeois

not the premise

but this general goal to break and

pulverize institutions cities that are

insulated

and expand the latent forces of the

countryside unleashing the forces of

production initiating a revolution in

the forces of production which is

actually being [ __ ]

uh by the cities and by these

institutions

um the first form of which by the way

was the aristocracy was the feudal

um

relations uh as they were explicitly

coded into this

kingdoms and state dear god guys

someday this channel is going to get so

big you want me to read the chat

well we said this before that we're

gonna remember the people who were here

first

and they're gonna get priority

definitely do you think america will

fall to fascism

i think what we said about fascism

before

is that it's

anti-fascism is a big

as it currently it's currently manifest

this you know is a big distraction and

it's also uh

something that's been cocking the left

and the west this fear of fascism when

in fact fascism is already an arm of the

american octopus look at what's going on

in ukraine right now look what's going

on in eastern europe and elsewhere in

the world

um fascism is not necessarily something

that's going to happen in america it's

something that's already

there fascism never was in the core okay

it was always

something funded by remote investors of

liberal countries

the issue isn't fascism it's liberalism

because fascism is just the hired thug

of liberal democracy

democracy right

when voss says the goal is to defend

democracy

he doesn't understand that fascism is

actually the hired arm of what he's

calling liberal democracy right

it fascism itself poses no threat to

liberalism

and that's why

oswald mosley in england was

laughed to the bank at least in the 30s

he was a clown it was not possible in

england it was neither possible in the

united states you had the businessman's

plot

but who foiled the businessman's plot in

the united states

a high-ranking general smedley butler

look him up

there was no possibility of fascism in

america or england because american and

english elites were the ones who

bankrolled fascism in the first place

america backed countries amount of

exactly mercenaries death squads

fascists military juntas

look at the history of the cold war none

of this is new okay

instead of fearing the boogeyman of

fascism

go to the source it's american

liberalism

tifa is just a mantle that any liberal

could put in well if you're not a

liberal you're a fascist right anything

beyond liberalism is fascism that's what

fascism means today it means something

beyond the threshold of liberalism

you'll notice that people will share

umberto echoes twelve point twelve vague

ass points of fascism oh well if there's

not yet if if there's a other if there's

an authorization

and there's us versus them it's fascism

well you want to know what the first us

versus them was it was the class

struggle i don't know if you're saying

marx and engels were fascists but they

were definitely setting up a situation

theoretically i don't know at least

where there was an us versus them

situation laid out pretty explicitly

there's the proletariat and the class

enemy

is that fascism

well if you listen to the umberto echo

people and all those type of liberal

fascism mongers they're gonna tell you

that stalinists are fascists leftists

are fascists we're fascists china's

fascist everyone's fascist why not just

ignore this distraction okay we're all

gonna be fascist in the eyes of liberals

there's no need to get bogged down into

the

um

the

distraction that is so-called

anti-fascism okay

yep exactly u.s oil helped ensure

germany and had an army that could

easily destroy republic in spain in the

ussr yeah well these weird anglo

financiers and elites you guys look up a

video you can see the the english royal

family was doing nazi salutes in the 30s

so something was going on okay you can

call me a conspiracy theorist

but i have the inclination okay

it's my intuition it's my uh

it's my impression that something was

going on in the world of the elites that

was connected to german fascism

there's a lot of indications of that

uh again the business plot thing all

sorts of things like that

today things like africom and obama's

spearheading it yeah

i think corporate is fascism is dead

the us's move towards different

the oppression of the working class by

the bourgeoisie so the bourgeoisie is

ultimate fascist

by their own point

because the workers is an oppressed

class

um

are there any countries that would be

considered corporatist today corporatism

was a catchword of various idiologists

um

it's not you shouldn't pay that much

attention to it sometimes we can't just

get tangled in the weeds of definitions

i hundred percent agree with that

jennifer 100 agree with that very true

um

isn't every capitalist country an earth

corporatist

a corporate is is just

some kind of um

some kind of like

state

institution if i if i understand this

correctly

uh some kind of big and a corporate you

know it incorporates okay

don't don't get too caught up in these

words um

george vi i think was a fascist but he

was a threat to the plans of the british

state that was during the war i think

during the war

but the fact that it was that

you know uh entrenched in the british

monarchy should give you an impression

of

the popularity of fascism

among the british elites

in general i mean if it was directly in

the royal family imagine where it was in

these business circles

and

etc

so

yeah i mean that's important to pay

attention to

uh

well maybe this is a good

a good way to kind of

ease on

maybe ending the stream soon not quite

yet

uh is basically on this point about us

living in socialism

ah

this is really what people uh

have trouble grappling with

uh every you know of all the things

we've said

the response to this point has been

overwhelmingly negative

we're not we know we don't hold it

against you guys

because it is an outrageous and crazy

thing to say that we live in socialism

socialism already want there's a

political economy of socialism but i

want to introduce you guys to that based

on what we've already discussed i'm not

going to go into it but i'm just going

to introduce you guys to it briefly that

we already live in socialism

what do you okay let me answer this

question first

hitler and muslim are very popular in

the western community yeah and people

really cover that up now don't they why

do you think about alliances with rich

peasants tactically to fight the

capitalists

um

well uh

you don't have to target rich peasants

specifically but will it be inevitable

that

koulox might join your cause maybe it

will you know and

should you go out of your way to exclude

them i don't see why you should

um

i think it's important to be pragmatic

uh but anyway let me get to this point

about us living in socialism because

this is something people

my main point

uh about us living in socialism

is not actually so much to say that

all of history's ended we're already

living in socialism i rather want to

open up and entertain you guys with the

possibility

of a socialist political economy

the fact

that socialism itself has its own

history has its own contradictions and

moreover has its own

economy there's an economy of socialism

now

i'm not going to give you a definition

of socialism

i'm rather going to entertain you

with what you've probably already seen

very vaguely

socialism refers to some kind of social

direction of production production

directed no longer on the anarchic terms

of pure profit but directed for some

social reason

very vaguely that's an at least fair

intuitive connotation of socialism isn't

it

well

in this day and age

i want you guys to think about how this

relates to something we call the

attention economy

isn't it true

that these common sites of social

meaning

and purpose and causes

measured maybe in the attention economy

in likes clicks streams and all this

data kind of stuff the internet

aren't these creating autonomous sites

of um

of uh

production chains being cohered

aren't these creating interfaces by

which

the logic of production is

following forth

um let me give you a really

simplistic example

let's say you're watching a movie or a

streamer let's say you're watching a

streamer right a streamer is uh

is flashing all sorts of brands

and is not only flashing all sorts of

brands but is making it more likely for

you to follow through with a certain way

of life the streamers setting an example

for you giving you an example of

you know only eat vegan i'll do this for

that you know things that affect your

lifestyle

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theodoro the butt hurt is back

anyway

uh welcome theodoro you're as butt hurt

as usual

uh

but you're the first [ __ ] talker we've

had in a long time so

uh can't wait to see you yeah i can't

see what to see what you have to say but

anyway um beyond spamming i mean do you

have anything else to say beyond

spamming um

infrared lives oh [ __ ] if you meant

lives then my bad if you weren't meaning

anything hostile

um my bad then i apologize

uh anyway let me continue

with this thing about socialism

like instagram lifestylers that's an

excellent example jennifer it's an

excellent example

but there's so many other examples you

know

ultimately production revolves around

some kind of common purpose and this

purpose is being put to work

economically

as measured in things not only but in

things like the attention economy

another example i always like to bring

up is tesla

you have people devoting their whole

lives to tesla

but this also has implications for what

how productive production chains are

being cohered and rationalized and

organized

it's setting its

it's an interface by which production is

being controlled not purely towards the

end of making profit but towards some

kind of social ends these social ends

seem today to be more decentralized in

china it's different it's centralized

uh

but even in china there's an extent to

which to decentralize specifically in

the realm of culture

with socialism with chinese

characteristics

um

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uh there's a very much in kind of

decentralized uh

called process of cultural uh production

that's very autonomous and

the two main goals of socialism are the

abolition of the anarchy and production

creating the abundance of material

entertainment production isn't counting

external social costs ultimately it's

for-profit

yeah but the thing boston played is that

um

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the thing goes right blade is that

if we still have an anarchy of

production i don't know i couldn't tell

you if we do then it requires a global

perspective not a national one but a

global one because at a national level i

think it's plainly not true we don't

have anarchy or production at the

national level at a global one maybe you

can look at some things interesting

but

it's not just anarchy of production

there's a decentralized

rationality of production

that uh seems to be at play in this new

digital or attention whatever you want

to call it

uh it seems like this is there is a

rationality of production it's just

decentralized

and it's measured specifically in terms

of um

the digital economy of attention and

you know

think clouds and things like that which

is why the russian anti-imperialist

geopolitical struggle is

so important i agree we are definitely

with this

russian

disinfo whatever youtube can ban us i

don't care like such people who engage

in brand loyalty

yes jennifer and this also has

consequences for the reason

the very reason of the rationality of

production i mean goods become produced

in a way

that circles around

these causes in these brands

okay

and these causes in these brands in turn

are forms of interfaces with production

that reflect

the concrete material reality so it's a

dialectical relationship but the most

primordial form of this relationship

was in socialism in the 20th century i

mean in socialism you had a direct

relationship between some kind of

rational aim and the

forces of production if you will it was

cohering production around

some kind of common aim that was

instantiated in the state

today that seems like it's something

that's decentralized

we didn't simply see a return to

capitalism

it seems like socialism itself was

decentralized

um that's really more what we're trying

to say there's a there seems to be an

economy of socialism i'll give you

another guys another example

a lot of people will say like from guy

de boards society of the spectacle that

everything is just an illusion it's all

deception to

um distract us from the fact that we're

living in a

19th century capitalist society that's

exploitative and all this media and all

this stuff

internet [ __ ] is all just a

spectacle to distract us

but nonetheless you can observe that

this spectacle has its own internal

logic it has its own internal economy it

has its own internal history it seems

it's like it's still productive it's

still going on so at what point is that

just dogmatism and a refusal to

acknowledge new conditions of our

reality

most food is subsidized by the us

government meaning in order to keep up

the profit the government buys a large

share of it and then throws it into a

landfill that's a good example too it's

a good example too

we've played games against each other

before but not halo there was no

competition then

me and evan specifically played split

screen arc

on the playstation

that's the far superior town we've never

like we've never gamed remotely because

few of us have gaming pcs i think

but i love halo 3. who brought up halo 3

i think i saw that i [ __ ] love i love

halo 3 it's one of my favorite games

so it's crazy yeah i'm always talking

about halo you know almost in like an

annoying to an annoying extent you know

i love halo

there's another things that i need to do

in this moment

uh see you later jorge

do you like it

see you later man

gamer

i'm kind of a failed gamer you know

i'm looking for a game to play but

we don't have to dwell on it too much

this is a this is com commented on in

society in the spectacle itself just

because the spectacle is the dominant

mode of production doesn't mean you can

get away from it well alexander i'm not

saying you can get away from it i'm

saying

it's necessary i'm not even saying that

though i'm not saying you should speak

the language of the spectacle i'm saying

it's a dogmatic assumption to dismiss it

as a spectacle in the first place rather

than a radically

a radical transformation of the

social rationality around which

production

is oriented from what position

of reality and substantiality can you

say it's just the spectacle is my

question what what form of materiality

are you presupposing when you're calling

it a spectacle these are

defined my problems with debord you know

what halo games get better under

communism let's let's drop the halo

subject for now i'm not sure that's why

people are here it's for halo

wait i didn't pay full attention why are

we living in socialism because social

media exists

but isn't that a funny word social media

just think about that word

i mean there's not there's a reason why

socialism and social you know social and

social media share

sorry social

and socialism and social media share

something called social and comment

also wouldn't wha uh to do the chat

thing go into youtube studio edit live

chat allow chat to replay okay i'm gonna

try to do that really quick

not to get away from chat

um

youtube studio

go to youtube studio

uh

edit

live chat

sorry what is it youtube studio

edit live chat there's no edit

there's no edit anywhere

oh it's edit on the live streaming okay

edit

live chat allow chat to replay okay it's

already enabled though it was already

enabled

um

i don't know what's going on uh it's not

because we have social media per se i

mean that wasn't my justification

we're living in socialism

just i'm not saying

i'm saying you you should understand

we're living in socialism just so you

recognize that there's an economy

there's a socialistic economy and not

just a capitalistic one is what i'm

trying to say

the socialism is itself economic it's

not just

some end goal or some far-off thing in

the future it itself has contradictions

and material economic

reality i think that's my point

how do you fail at having fun

i i just can't find it fun games it

should be seen as a phenomena specific

to the current status quo halo stream

when

never dude

so all nations are just socialists in

your opinion right now or just the u.s i

think more or less across the world

socialism has already prevailed its

default

i mean guys i want you to understand

something and keep something in your

head okay

most countries in the third world more

or less i'm kind of botching it

most of them if they aren't

ex-communists

they were educated in their states are

built by people who are educated in

marxism even japan imperial japan

um the intellectual elites were all

familiar with marxism it's nothing new

socialism nothing new nothing surprising

nothing shocking at all

none of this was new okay

most countries today

uh take that for granted so the all i'm

trying to say is that we're living in a

new reality that you can't interpret

under the lens of 19th century

capitalism i don't actually care what

you call it you can call it capitalism i

like to call it socialism just because i

want to give people the idea or allow

people to understand the fact

that this is not some pre-socialist

thing okay if it's not socialist itself

you could say it's post-socialism but i

like to say it's socialism

just to

but i like to i prefer to say socialism

um

because i want to speak of socialism

objectively not as some subjective goal

objectively what is socialism right

like what i mean by that is that

socialism can exist even though the

political superstructure is not

ideologically socialistic it's what i'm

trying to say there's an objectivity of

socialism that's what i'm trying to say

if people make up the content of social

media and all for free

it's another important thing it has

nothing

yeah i mean it's it's all for free we do

it all for free why because we can't

take for granted how we make the world

meaningful and the way in which we make

the world meaningful is being measured

and denominated and economized in an

extremely interesting and important way

that monsters haven't made sense of

centralization of socialism not

necessarily it's always a dialectic of

both every socialism corresponds to a

decentralization

actually

um

would it be fair to characterize what

you're saying is that capital continues

to centralize the economy no it's it's

not that capital is centralizing the

economy it's not capital which is doing

it capital is an afterthought to this

more fundamental

way in which common social causes or

whatever you want to call them social

aims and social rationality is actually

assimilating capital itself it's just

that there persists to be

um an economy of this socialism you guys

know what i don't know what an economy

means

um

there is some kind of division of goods

there is some kind of

differentiation and distinction in

how you know how something

makes itself subsist the same thing is

true for socialism it's not just you

have one big socialism and then oh it's

socialism what i'm trying to say is that

there's an economy of socialism itself

um

uh

while an oligarchy yeah that's the

argument i made more before but i wonder

if making this type of argument will

make it more clear

and to i know some a lot of people have

left so i just want to keep this short

if if you were here for earlier

when i refer to these polities

which need to be presupposed in order

for class distinction and capitalism

itself to arise

it's actually these polities that are

the site of socialism that's why i said

before and a lot of people thought it

was crazy

that

socialism is kind of almost

the revival of the asiatic mode of

production

it's because every polity

remember

also somehow um

addresses the economic sphere in this

way for all of the people in which it

has dominion

this can be explicitly as it is in the

modern era or it could be for example of

how empires and polities

are premised by some kind of

distribution of land distribution of

some means of production that really

define the material basis of the polity

itself

the way in which the polity itself is

reproduced

from the relationship of the islamic

empires

to nomads

uh to the middle ages and um

yeah well we all know about the middle

ages

uh did a true anarchy of production ever

exist

i think so in industrial england but

it's also important to bear in mind that

every anarchy of production also

precipitates

a deeper social reality that was that

just wasn't apparent a deep social sorry

deeper social rationality just wasn't

apparent

someone like nick land since we're we're

dipping off on views and we can get into

the deep end now

someone like nick land would say that

the anarchy of production is hiding the

fact

that the ai from the future is just

assembling itself and building itself

and that this process is so profound and

complex and radically inhuman that from

our human perspective it just seems like

meaningless anarchy but in reality this

ai is building itself

well this is a nice fantasy

and i would rather replace this fantasy

instead of thinking about an ai think

about

the common object

of social reality our social commons

what unites us

as objectively social

granting schizophrenic territory now

where is that guy who's mad right that

mad guy calls us infrared the liars

because maybe we should have you on

stream

theodoro brades you want to argue your

point and debate us

because we we'd be happy to debate you

if you're really that mad about it

you've been mad about the things we're

saying

go ahead and debate us man

i'll debate the guy i debate the guy

yeah we're open to debates i don't know

how much time we have left but

i can be your gladiator to fight that

guy while we can take him on i mean

there's not that much of you so

it's not like uh we can't address you

guys individually

man

uh i'm gonna

he left like a [ __ ] he is

try to pay bro stream all right guys i

think we're entering the end part of our

stream i'm gonna still stay on i'm just

gonna grab my food that i haven't eaten

it's like some salmon

and broccoli i'm gonna get more

comfortable take off my jacket you know

and uh i'm gonna chill with you guys

just ask me questions we're just gonna

chill you know for the for the remainder

i'm just gonna eat after i eat i

probably gotta shower get ready for bed

i'm nearing my bedtime

but uh

i'm gonna eat with you i'm gonna have

dinner with you guys okay so i'll be

right back

he said

blaise had trouble coming and all that

good stuff yeah well if he was here

what is centralization

of it

has

it is what it sounds like right it's

exactly what it sounds like

what do you mean like uh what about

centralization

it confuses you well

yeah i guess it's a vague question i

would agree

okay no seriousness holding some

opposition

would be funny yeah it's inevitable i

think

salmon and broccoli

yeah he eats good he works out a lot you

know gotta get the protein

nah i ate like [ __ ] yesterday i had like

burger sliders and

you should see the [ __ ] garbage i was

eating yesterday

this is to make up for that

um

let me read the chat

in all seriousness holding some

opposition would be pretty funny

you know we actually say in our videos

want to debate us email us no one does

it

no one yeah no one does it

we're not yeah we debate anybody who

challenges us honestly

um

can you guys hear me chew i don't want

to be disgusting

it's coming through yeah

oh my god

is it time to get some food jennifer are

you about to join

where they are

i'm concerned that aoc's capitulation

is actively taking us in a fastest

direction alexander

like i said i don't think it's i think

it's important not to fear monger about

fascism

i just think

a lot of things guys is based on you

know

who do you owe

trust me by not giving these people just

like if you weren't voting in the last

election they would crucify you it

almost seems like that's more

revolutionary than actively attacking

them just ignoring them right

i think some people need to wake up and

realize what aoc is

but beyond this i think

ultimately she just needs to be ignored

stop giving her our attention

because

celebrities are like vampires you know

they they're

if you give them your attention

that's that's the real source of their

power just the fact that you find them

so significant if we just don't consider

her a leftist we don't have to worry

about it

is the we're already in socialism take

building on our economy being different

from post ford in our sense

it's it's ultimately related to that yes

but even the fortis economy was kind of

people are going to get triggered

you know in the post we have

um

on

on sub stack

uh

what i say

is basically that americanism

was in a way socialism

the reason there was no

reason america was so viciously

anti-communist is because there was this

competition between americanism and

communism

because they were vying for the same

thing right

americanization

actually can be reflected as i mean earl

bowder said

socialism sorry is americanism in the

20th century but the opposite is true

americanism was socialism in the 20th

century

the soviet union and to a lesser extent

china looked at american

industrialization as the model for their

own

state planning

just because of the extent of their

scale

and in fact

ironically

the the thing with socialism with

chinese characteristics it's not that

they introduced capitalism it's that

they moved beyond americanism

they tapped into the ancient tradition

of chinese intensive

small agriculture and it kind of

expanded that on a larger scale of the

economy

and abandoned

the americanization which corresponds to

this uniform standardization blanket

abstract universalism

so

it's quite ironic and interesting his

smart stuff no yeah of course you're

joking

mukbang never definitely agree about not

getting caught up on in an election

narrative and aoc [ __ ] yeah morons

like vosh

does he do mukbang i voted for biden

just because i was sick of trump tarzan

internet

yeah i mean

i got people's republic of walmart in

the mail today it's written by a foreign

affairs writer so i'm expecting trash

i can never recommend books because i

always disagree with them somehow you

know

as arrogant as that sounds

i wish people would just ignore bread

too with wash destiny whoever that

people always talk about on the internet

keep critique short and sweet and move

on

yeah i want you maybe you're right

jennifer but i think

they're leading a lot of people astray

and that's why we focus on them

but otherwise you'd be right what is

americanism new deal consensus

no i think it's what distinguishes

american from english capitalism which

is

large-scale uh socialization

um uniform standardization think of the

way american cities are planned these

kind of grids right it's very it's

almost you know

stereotypically communism

how america is uh its industrialization

proceeded in the 20th century

americanism is a word think of earl

browder's use of the word it's just a

general

what defined american exceptionalism in

the 20th century saying the empire had

to concede to the objective movement

associated to global cuba

not even no i'm saying

there's something about america that was

always related to what socialism was

historically but it was the most

primitive and abstract type of socialism

actually marx writes about something

called crude communism which he roughly

corresponds to this

abstract leveling and

and both marx and engels consider this

the most primitive stage

i'm trying to say that when marx and

engels spoke of socialism inevitability

guys a lot of marxists are going to hide

and hush this up they were actually

speaking within a time span

of decades they weren't speaking in a

time span of

150 years later okay they were saying in

this immediate world situation we're in

okay

socialism is inevitable

engels himself said that after the war

which was which became world war ii he

predicted he understood there was a war

the inevitability of socialism would be

like that okay

and that was in a time scale of decades

not centuries

and a lot of marxist hushed that up

marx and engels were talking about

something very proximate to their

um

their historical reality the only

difference between socialism and what we

have now is ownership

even then being private ownership does

not preponderate the the way in which

the ruling class

is a ruling class

ceos don't really own their corporations

and even the way in which people

exercise ownership of these large-scale

corporations is in a socially validated

and recognized way shares

in england industrial england you own a

factory because you own the deed to the

factory or something

but owning a share in a company follows

a very different logic an individual

share does not correspond to a sovereign

individual person or citizen

so even even this is kind of socialistic

wealth concentrates and fewer and fewer

hands is industry and capital intensive

right leads to centralization but also

gives rise to a new decentralization

what i've learned from infrared is that

communism is an infrared american suburb

i mean if you're getting too caught up

in words

um and missing the deeper point then

maybe yeah but

i mean what is the think about what the

point is

is that really what i'm honestly saying

mr d that every possible meaning of

communism you can have is oh look at an

american server that's what everyone was

talking about no it's not it's a really

dishonest take and it's a very american

understanding of language in the first

place americans have this idea

that language

is based in

language itself that the meaning of a

word is reducible to a string of other

words but that's actually not the

meaning of words the meaning of words

relates to some kind of objective

reality

we have words because they reflect

objective realities we don't have words

just to spit out more words and spit out

more words after that

okay

oh don't mean the snarky way sorry i

don't mean to be mean but

i understand it's kind of um ironic and

crazy

um earl brother was cringe and i've

heard i know but we we're saying he got

it backwards you know

um the people who are organized and

arrive at objective truth will win out

in the end people who are objectively

wrong will not it will take time

eventually people gravitate i think so

too you know i think if people really

thought about what we were saying

they wouldn't find it so outrageous you

know people really don't like when we

say this

there's no dictatorship of the

proletariat isn't that missing

it is missing yes

um

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but that's the subjective elements what

i would argue

of socialism

um but and also there's also an

objective element of the dictatorship of

the proletariat

uh that's a more complicated point

though but yes i mean

subjectively we're not living in

socialism clearly we're not

why should we make the assumption today

that the texture of

global economic relationships is

epitomized by the american economy why

shouldn't we say that the chinese

economy has surpassed the american one

in this sense

i think after 2008 it's not really an

outrageous or crazy thing to say that

after 2008 i think it's pretty clear

that the objective texture of economic

global relations is being led

set forth by chinese socialism

but our political superstructure hasn't

caught up to that

is what i'm guessing is i guess what i'm

trying to say is basically that you know

to put it in a simplistic way

inevitability based on contradictions as

i've mentioned before which is why

socialism equates

exactly yes it's based on objective

contradictions

what is your definition of socialism and

communism here's an important point

we don't like having

we don't think it's possible that you

could arrive at a definition of those

words

that can apply everywhere in every

possible context it's an undialectical

understanding of language you rather

have to have a deeper sense of what

those words mean based on the different

contexts in which they're used

and in order to cohere those different

contexts into a unified

meaning requires the object of

those words to be sensed by means deeper

than a string of words

i know this sounds crazy and really

complicated and

difficult to digest

but

i guess what you could say if i had to

spit out a simple way through words

of describing what socialism or

communism is

it's in the words themselves it relates

to what is objectively social and common

uh as an object

uh as an object

and that's

way more complicated than it sounds it

really is

um

you know

what is a society

you know the meme we live in a society

what if it's way more deep than we

thought you know do we live in a

society uh bourgeois socialism which is

written in the manifesto yeah the

manifesto was not really that anal about

this stuff you know it understood

socialism is not some definition there's

a lot of different

something objective china has surpassed

the us but the world is still under u.s

imperialism politically yes politically

though

maybe not economically i'm so tired of

the [ __ ] synthetic left these morons

are screaming at me for speciesism

oh wow [ __ ] blade do you do you

think that might be an issue of the

western left or in your experience is

that a really prominent issue in china

too

and i'm a we're 100 with you on that by

the way we don't we think there is a

difference between animals and people

we're not like a vegan fan type people

you know who

um

china is even on paper a bigger economy

and probably more so

yeah

so you believe we live in a form of

socialism

well a form of socialism

that's a different we live in a

objectively socialistic

world

i think

there's just an unaccountable parasitic

oligarchy leeching off the top it's

taking advantage of the contradiction

between the superstructure and the base

basically

kind of to simplify it

the base is that we live in a socialist

world

the superstructure

is adjusting acclimating to this fact in

a very interesting way it's not really

that the us imperialism is the global

transnational owning class us is just

the most important yeah

is it possible for me to join your voice

chat

yeah it actually is but we're going to

end the stream really soon so it's up to

you i mean it might be like 10 minutes

and we're gonna end it you know

um as soon as i finish this we're gonna

end it

apis devist why can't china therefore

with its economies

suppress america's economy

what if china stopped producing for

americans to consume uh

at this point for first time here uh

appreciate you being here man

uh why can't china therefore

i don't think it's in its interest to do

that

what if china stopped producing for

americans to consume

because um

it seems like from a western perspective

that the people producing for you are

subservient to you

but in

today's global in economies of um

industrial policy aka another word for

socialism right

what is industrial policy if not some

kind of socialism

but

to stop triggering people

on that

when you produce

goods it's strengthening you

because

you're taking advantage of differences

in currency value currency exchange and

currency value it's a way more

complicated point but

countries who are the ones producing and

not buying are actually the ones

benefiting economically

that's why trump wanted to make

everything american right

maybe you describe the concept as a

process toward something

that's exactly it it's always an

orientation it's always a tendency it's

never a discreet

atomized concepts that exist in a vacuum

like we said when we talk about the

difference between dialectics and

english metaphysics we're not just

saying phrases you know there's a deeper

meaning

not an issue at all in china some

liberal that's so beautiful to hear

china is the last hope of civilization

it really is

um the epitome of a civilization in

decline is an inability to draw the

distinction between humans and animals

and i just find that self evidently true

i twittered you my discord

we i i know your discord post week later

i have your discord don't ask cop don't

reveal how but i have your discord don't

worry about that

china is working on its domestic

consumption at present but it's not up

there yet as far as it needs to produce

export goods wasn't like i can invite

you but it's going to take like i'm

going to probably end this in soon you

know

so it's not going to be too much longer

that we're going to be on so i'm going

to leave that up to you

china is working on its domestic

consumption at present yes but it's also

trying to produce its own goods you know

it's not up there yet yeah how much of

the us economy is fake

i saw that tweet too

the problem that's also a kind of

undialectical view not to keep using

phrases about dialectics but

those fictitious capital is also an

index of tendencies and orientations

it's what

french

you know french incomprehensible

philosophy or thought in the 20th

century like de luz

would call virtuality the virtual

orientation as opposed to the actual

concrete you know

that's important these fictitious

capital whatever speculative

abstract forms of financial

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exchange

are signals and

indexes of

polarities and orientations and virtual

yeah i guess i put it that way

think in terms of becoming never a

static being but also always becoming

there's no solid hardcore heavy metal

economy that exists abstracted from the

context of a certain orientation a

certain becoming

and fictitious capital um

is almost a measure of that

it's also it's all about the direction

not the place the direction it's going

in not where it is now

how much of the u.s economy is oh okay

sorry that we're talking about a lot

what rule white working america feels

about words like social and capitalism

i'm not sure what the black working

class thinks

i don't think they care too much what do

you think evan i don't really think they

care

yeah we talked a lot

about uh socialism capitalism but i'm

not sure what the black working class

thinks

uh yeah no i think they're more on the

side of this just terms

and so

yeah it's just terms there's a much

greater i think

understanding i think

uh within the black working class

community

of

the primacy of object which we've been

talking about rather than how it's being

tried to define

how they are how they are trying to

define it

and that goes back to what we were

saying before it goes back to the

panthers it goes back to the whole usa

the african experience in the us which

has always been one where there's a

blatant much more blatant heavens muted

what is said

han evan talk

hello hello

oh what the [ __ ] you know you've been

muted this entire time because my

desktop audio went down

because of um

i turned the music down so sorry about

that you're coming from my desktop

speakers

can you hear me yeah they can hear you

now oh was it always like that

[ __ ] dude

okay

no it's no problem

no it's no issue no issue we're still

learning you know but no i think uh i

think

the black working class uh is more

attuned

uh

to the reality

of the object

rather than

how it's attempted to be defined you

know and i think it relates to the

experience of africans

in the us when there's always been a

much more blatant

contradiction between what is said and

what's objectively taking place

and i think we can thank the panthers

the nation is a whole bunch of

organizations for making that clear

uh for african people in the country

i'm just gonna go through the chat sorry

real quick that was cool if china

suppressed america economically could it

gain political agenda depends on which

means suppressed i think china is

already surpassing the american economy

maybe it already has you know

it's just not formally officially

recognized

be glad to talk okay yeah i got you

don't worry about it let me just go

through this first bosovic and then

i still understand human beings as a

kind of animal

yeah but what is an animal right should

we define what an animal is based on

looking at animals or should we define

what an animal is from a future

perspective

i know that's a weird point

but still of a natural word but i think

it's because i'm a woman or whatever

i don't know you know i don't know i

mean

um

aren't men kind of more analystic or i

don't know

we're both we're both the same you know

both animals the word limit on youtube

is insanely annoying don't worry about

it dude

um humans are animals

oh yeah he's being muted

um

yeah well smart it's kind of a stretch

so you're saying black cameras okay uh

evan i don't want to make you repeat

your point

no uh so you're saying black american

seat in a way yes in a way yes because

the [ __ ] has been much more obvious

for black americans

is very clear you know

the way that the the living being of

african people in this country is it

is very clear

that what is said

and what the reality is are two

different things

and i think that gets obscured a little

bit for the white working class

for obvious reasons

oh what up blake hello hello can you

hear me

yeah okay okay great great blade um

thank you thank you uh

sorry yeah i just want to do this this

is um this is not gonna be the stream

nice nice

uh what will the african era as

mentioned in your last video

look like

that's a beautiful question

we have an interview with a guy i don't

want to send you off listening to a

three hour four hour interview

we interviewed a guy named s ank one of

our previous videos and we talked about

afrofuturism and we talked about

specifically the rise of

cities

um you know singapore type cities

we think

uh it's really complicated but

the thing about the african era

basically we think the african era

this whole digital era everything we're

talking about

we think africa is the site where it's

going to explode yes very dynamic i

think the african era corresponds with

an unforeseen dynamism i'll give you an

example of this is the way people in

africa are using social media

and the way they're relating to these

new

revolutions and the forces of production

is actually more far more dynamic and

advanced than in other countries to an

extent maybe even in asia which is known

for being the most futuristic place in

the world um

elephants and whales are intelligent

if they had hands they'd probably be

like us

how would that be that that was true

that would suck that would suck a lot

right because they just kind of you know

they really want to like i don't know

they want to jerk off or something

and they

can't

us humans right us humans are

intelligent animals we're a civilized

animal and

we have all these constructs in place of

something this is what i've kind of

learned after talking to a guy that

studies cognitive science

isn't it so i want to cut you off but

don't you just have to read marks what

marx said humans are distinguished from

animals because they labor creature yeah

they transform

they have history they transform their

surroundings by means of labor and

something like well what about beavers

who you know

who use wood for dams

beaver as a species will only ever do

that

but

you know in the past 300 years we've

you know we've done we've expressed a

range of possible behavior that's a

little bit

maybe a step above of

wood dams or whatever

right

we have this social construct in place

of something and that thing is a hive

mind all successful civilizers like

civilization creatures like ants or

hordes of fish or beasts they all have a

hybrid mind humans does not have that so

to organize our society it is only

possible through a political structure

or economic structure or a construct

which is why there is no let's say moral

or greater ideal here ultimately it's

just that we lack something we humans

are disabled we don't have the high mind

thinking that we should have as a

civilized creature so we need these

constructs this construct is how we deal

with the material reality

as a civilization-based creature because

being honest here you see this mass

massive type of individualism but to be

humans as an individual as

[ __ ] we're very terrible individuals

we some of us can't even fight off a

goose by ourselves okay we rely on each

other to survive which is why these

constructs are so important in the first

place i just kind of want to bring that

up and

may i also mention the thing on your

point about socialism real quick and

then i'll consider screwing off

yeah yeah go oh yeah sure so uh i

believe as we've talked about uh

negation before i believe socialism is

simply the conquest of capitalism's

contradictions right and uh the main

contradiction is obvious as marx

mentioned is the abundance of material

causing overproduction which is aka the

anarchy production and the socialist

goal is to abolish the anarchy

production well not to abolish but to

let's say in the gates contradiction

just like how capitalism negated the

feudalist contradiction of uh

getting in the way of productive forces

right

so it is socialness as long as it is

working towards getting rid of

capitalist contradictions and that as

you said socialism isn't some perfect

utopia where they have socialist

contradictions so the reasons why we

need to look at you both you know what

is after the uh negation of the anarchy

production right right

and that's really all the point i'm i

tried to make here and

maybe i'll consider

screwing off or we can talk a bit more

now you can stay up i'm gonna i'm gonna

probably end it really soon but i'm

gonna go through that yeah yeah okay

okay why when i suggest china to

suppress

america's economy i mean in a sense

where the proliterate is supposed to

suppress the

i don't think that will happen i don't

think it'll happen like that america is

also

has an economic importance for china

itself remember the whole world is

interconnected

so if america was destroyed that would

also have really bad effects for china

china's economy i think

yeah after you first for the first time

really jumpstart your consciousness

socialism is what separates us from

animals basically right our hive mind

our common social

that's the object of socialism

ultimately right yeah it feels like

the family white pig offense is white

more than it is black it is it is

subjectively it is

yeah i will consume any animal that

isn't human any

i wouldn't not for ethical reasons but

just because it's disgusting yeah some

some of you had to say no to

some i will say no to yeah sorry i'm 30

minutes behind on the stream so i'm

gonna so i'm on the part

about the stream where you talk about

the usa being socialist do you think the

rise of non-profits

it could be could be maybe not the most

profit i mean sorry not the most

prominent example but these non-profits

and charities and ngos

sure do have scale nowadays

but i don't know if that would be the

primary one is africom a response to

china

or to africa or both it's always both

both yes yeah

it was formed before trying to begin

yeah although i'm sure the relation

between china to africa is a really

interesting one i don't know if we could

get into it here fast talking debate

bro um

boston blaine sounds like he will do

jonathan where did you come from you're

just gonna come here be rude i haven't

ever seen you here before

um

why uh let's not if you if you are mean

to people

in the chat i'm gonna ban you okay you

can be mean to me don't be mean to

people in chat

um

if it's not in china's interest for

america to crumble then is it an ally

against western imperialism

it's in china's interest for america's

political state to crumble

i guess should that answer your question

that doesn't necessarily mean

it's in its interest

for america to be economically gone and

maybe it can adjust to america being

gone it's not gonna collapse if it is

but i think china favors stability over

chaos in general

it could probably adjust to america

collapsing but

china doesn't see a reason for that to

have for that to happen i think china

wants to work with america

economically so that the polar

orientation of its engine the gears of

its economy

uh can shift

you know every economy is a in a polar

polar orientation okay

it's not really

uh productive to think about it in terms

of

uh annihilation i was just joking but

warning taken okay i don't want to be

like mean or

you know too

yeah i can't i just can't tell you know

i just can't tell something we got like

a hater earlier and i mean i'm fine with

this kind of stuff considering how toxic

to yana left his spaces i'm used to all

kinds of stuff

yeah it's good to have i think it's good

to have thick skin so

but of course there are limits to it

yeah but we yeah we just don't want

our chat to be bullied you know

yeah exactly

if china would rather stability then it

doesn't seem to be an ally

i disagree

apis to this i think that's actually a

very western

centric view

because it's a very individualistic and

western-centric view because according

to the individualistic view

revolutionary change is only real if it

happens within the purview of individual

experience

but the scale in terms of time at which

revolutionary change is being

objectively propelled by china's very

existence is at a scale that is beyond

you know a week it's maybe something

that's happening in decades in scale

it's very western-centric to deny that

just because it's not within the

individual purview

and

just because china would rather

generally have stability which is any

civilization would

doesn't mean

it's some kind of

uh enemy of

i mean you're talking about a

decolonization

movement or a revolution

but what are you talking about are you

talking about bernie sanders for example

i don't think china would be against

bernie sanders in power

shariza got to power in greece and

according to ian's viral focus the

chinese were very acclimating

to syriza's programs

when it came to

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selling the greek port to china they

were very acclimating to syriza's social

justice project and everything

so they were an ally you know they were

helping uh greece in a time of need when

the whole world was against greece the

eu at least was against greece

i know you're not going to agree with

the idea of bernie or syriza being

revolutionaries but

i don't otherwise know what what

concrete tendencies or movements you're

referring to

is china an ally of

these sakai people i guess in the us who

want to larp about being revolutionaries

and stuff

probably not

but why would they be is my question

what have those people proven

that they deserve to be recognized

because they're abstractly have a sense

of virtue but that's also a very western

and individualistic

silliness that

i don't see why china's government

should have time for

from their perspective

channel is too small for trolls

you don't have many trolls

is that the dialectic between continuity

and rupture

no i think i'm just referring to

something else i'm referring to the

revolutions happening with an attachment

of a few years or decades

no i'm not saying that

maybe maybe but i'm just saying an

objective revolutionary change can be

happening at a scale that is not

perceptible on an individual level

china has accomplished

the objective victory of socialism it's

not something to ignore

everyone saw the reform on opening up

and just thought china succumbed to

capitalism

in reality

a change was happening at a scale that

just wasn't perceptible from an

individualistic standpoint

that's what i'm trying to say

uh is that going to culminate into one

moment of rupture and stuff

i don't know i don't know but it's not

the main point

it would be it would be besides the

point

if that was the case

what what does it seem to be an ally of

the u.s america has allies but those

looking at u.s geopolitical history

those allies could be seen as hostages

true but lava was an ally until he

wasn't i don't understand my error i'm

not a supporter of sanders i know you're

not

but sanders is the only concrete

manifestation in the u.s of a real

anti-establishment force

four years ago five years ago

i'm just trying to tell you even if i

can see to you the fact that there is an

objective progressive momentum that is

against the status quo in the us

even then

there's no reason to think china would

be an enemy by decolonization i mean an

ally to the colonized indigenous people

which colonize indigenous people

struggling how are they struggling which

ones who yeah that's kind of my question

too like you have to better uh let's say

identify what uh let's say

decolonization is a pistivist it seems

like you're talking about

something extremely ideological okay

you're not really talking about any

significant historical concrete

revolution that's happening you're

talking about something that white

people in the u.s have adopted to make

themselves feel better about themselves

and the primordial origins of america

which they're still very guilty about

there are a lot of like idealistic

elements that goes into this kind of

psychiatrist thinking in my opinion

it's fundamentally idealistic indeed

indeed yeah uh i mean it's idealistic

because

the striving and need white people feel

to

to

make right

the original sin

is the epitome of whiteness

is why if you really care about the

subject you should read the image of the

white race instead that's a very good

book that very well educate people on

the subject not

settlers

which have a lot of very reactionary

elements

peak settler colonialism

is trying to purify your origins

that's what the puritans came to america

to do

to purify their imperfect and sinful

origins in europe

so indeed indeed

by respecting the policies of foreign

nations and not avoiding interfering

with inner conflicts china avoids

escalating the situation by beginning a

proxy war with the us

trust me guys you can trust the fact

that people in china know what they're

doing in power

okay they have way smart billion party

members they have massive think tanks

across the entirety of china so i don't

know how people in the west believed in

china better than all those people

working constantly tonight together

researching the entire nation going

house to house asking for public

opinions going through factory to

factory asking about work conditions yes

you know some guy in the west watching a

video about water and i know everything

about china now it's peak

individualistic western folly

indeed just because you've mastered

some individually mediated abstract

truth

gives you access to all this stuff

you're talking about

it's ridiculous you know

it's like

just because you call yourself a true

marxist

means the entire country of china has to

address you

china's idea is that they will lead by

example

and what better leadership is that

i mean that's what we want to learn from

china we see that they're leading by

example

even the south african eff

looks to china as an example

um in the way the soviets were doing the

same thing but china is more explicit

about it

china has def it's not for accident that

china is still around and the soviet

union isn't let's just say that

what's the name of the book

i know

that's probably talking to him trust the

plan g

what book

is

a good leader

seems like it to me i think he's a good

leader i think the rest of his series he

makes a lot of very solid points in my

opinion i think he's an exemplary leader

but even if i didn't he objectively is

providing a platform for a revival of

marxism in china

and there's a lot of ambiguity of what

that means

i believe it's not only a revival

marxism it's also revival of let's say a

more dynamical philosophical thinking as

a whole as a movement which is why i

believe as a whole

saying pushback should be so powerful

because it allows for more let's say

research is a development to

philosophies and

the previous leaders before now they've

also done great things but now we're

seeing the true flourish of chinese

philosophy which is amazing that's a

really good and fascinating point i

always knew that china

has a very rich

and extraordinary

philosophical environment and my biggest

regret is not knowing chinese because

i'd love to be able to

engage in that yeah it's so strange so

many people i've talked to on discord

always know what hall opinions on china

it's clownish we're talking about a

country that has the most people on

earth

over a billion people

i recommend the reading of xi jinping by

anti conquista

i haven't read it so maybe we'll check

it out

what indigenous struggles standing rock

is not on your radar standing rock is a

beautiful example epis because all i saw

in standing rock was yes you did have

uh you did have some protest by what

you're calling indigenous group i think

some people find that word condescending

but there were some resistance by

specific communities and yes i recognize

those communities exist but what

happened it turned into lollapalooza for

white people they came and so you're

going to tell me there's that's not a

coincidence why are white people so

obsessed with them is my question

for it has nothing to do with them

specifically they're a very small

minority of the american population yes

i agree progressive movement needs to

engage them and ally with them and stuff

but

fetishizing them in the way that they

are now as you're doing is a 100 percent

white pathology

so don't give me all these examples

especially an example like standing rock

which just proves my point

who is xi jinping in the first place

it's interesting because i don't know

the china

before him it's a complicated history we

don't have time to get into it i myself

have mentioned something real quick

talking about the digital struggle yeah

so i myself have interviewed uh certain

canadian indigenous people and i've

asked what do they feel like their

struggle is and i do find that

ultimately it varies from community to

community it's not that every single

digital community is facing the same

struggle as sakai would you have to be

happy to believe in oversimplification

calling people settlers it's not that

okay like there is even struggles within

the community where the let's say the

monarch of the community would disagree

with the people's elections and you have

all these problems going on from

community community that is very

specific to them it's not that oh no

it's the settler's fault it's a single

singular truth it's never that

yeah it's as simple as that

the construction of a general indigenous

struggle is a white construction which

ignores and neglects the fact that

different communities that are you're

calling indigenous

have different goals names some of which

want to extract oil from their own lands

by the way indeed indeed

um

a lot of them are desperate for jobs

because they're just living terrible

lives and they need jobs they need an

income so that they're not

eating and drinking all poor quality

stuff anymore they want water as well

pipeline

it's a video on the channel where they

read xi jinping book i think you'd like

it i implore those people to write

president xi and tell him they don't

want to think his country's socialist

see what he says

i promise you the letter will go it

won't even

it won't even reach

the trash can of someone who's 400

positions below

progress comes from the success of the

people in the communist party not just

from g i agree

i think zeo would agree with that indeed

now what's the story jennifer we don't

have time i have a bedtime and

let me say guys at 8 00 11 30 i'm gonna

end the stream

okay so

uh the contradiction is that china

desires a stable but u.s

stable us but the international

proletariat who who are you talking

about and by the way

china prefers a stable us

but there's no reason to think china

isn't ready or able to respond to the

chaos of

you know who would first be

covered was a blatant

example of this i would prefer a stable

us

i'm a normal person you think i want

everyone to suffer and

you know i would prefer stable us but

i'm also recogni i also recognize the

fact that there's objective

contradictions i'm not going to whine

about that fact

so the u.s is terrible by all means but

if it's just often destabilized and

crashed like the ussr it'll be a lot

worse at pistovis the u.s is the one

causing destabilization the usc is the

one that is funding the color

revolutions all around the world the us

is the one that just caused chaos in the

middle east

the us is actually the force i mean what

you're saying is peak american pathology

your conception of what revolution is is

clouded by american prejudices

it's not a coincidence that the us is

actually the true revolutionary force

because when you're defining revolution

by all the negative stuff which is

apocalypse and carnage

those are actually the things

um

those are actually the aspects of

revolution that are unfortunate no one

actually wants those for its own sake

they're unfortunate maybe inevitable yes

but unfortunate side effects

a cab and our kitties scream about

putting billionaires into a wood chipper

but when she executes nearly 20 club

billionaires in a decade suddenly china

is red fascist i mean yeah

exactly

why how else do you need to say it

okey-dokey maybe next time yeah maybe

next time

maybe next time yeah 11 30 i'm gonna end

the stream

and i'm gonna shower and i'm gonna go to

bed just so you guys know because you

guys

i answer to you guys now

oh man

yes i know the us responsible for

everything that's why it should collapse

well um

should you know

should is not really an appropriate term

will it is the appropriate term

you're in no position if you can't if

you're not objectively in the position

to make it collapse which you're not

and no country really is you can't judge

whether what should or shouldn't happen

china isn't in a position to make

america collapse it isn't

i think it's very probable that the west

will collapse upon itself on china

russia

i've always said that the west is a

peninsula of asia the west is a long

lost peninsula of asians

the west may not collapse but eventually

it'll just become a part of asia

why didn't ji take all of jack ma's

money

when you swear honey

and you put your parent you make a

dollar in a jar

do you guys watch black red guard no

people keep mentioning him i haven't had

time to watch much anything

i started live streaming a few weeks ago

what do you think about him

sounds based but i have never

he is apparently maui that's not into

the current chinese status quo but he do

make very good points so it's like i'm

kind of conflicted on the guy because as

you can see i'm probably in chinese

that's cool so yeah we're we're not that

um we don't we're not we don't really

agree with mlm

if that answers your question

we are definitely the the type who want

to learn from chinese socials with

chinese characteristics and uh

specifically the g era

um thoughts on the difference between

china and the dprk's post-soviet union

journey and development

china has clearly been more successful

um

why that is i couldn't really tell you

always

yeah sure

so the dpr doesn't really have a choice

here china had choices too let's say uh

reform and open up and eventually

introduce lesser capital all that you

know maori the foundation for that with

nixon all that stuff dprk does not have

any of that they were very soviet

reliant and when everything just

eventually crashed down due to the ussr

collapsing they don't have a choice to

trade with the west they had

which is why they just kind of isolated

themselves a lot of socialism was so

costly for this they

self-reliance which is [ __ ] okay um

it's unfortunate it's that what is it

it's a complicated there's no simplistic

answer to the situation

um tova thank you so much for being here

i appreciate it a lot uh see you later

man

uh it's it's

it is the sacrifice that we have to

grapple with in the distant future

once the 21st century social video gets

up there in views would you guys

consider doing a series on geopolitics

yeah we're very kind of hesitant right

now to plan future videos

just because we don't know necessarily

what the lessons of why this one didn't

do as good as we thought it would

we were expecting maybe you know 5k

views

um

maybe we over projected we want to

evaluate the reasons why we didn't do

better than the previous one at least

you want to

sit down and just no because that video

took a lot of effort on our part you

know and

we don't want to you know do that again

and

not get his

the only people's word he intends on

waging is his neighbor swing set

um

if

if the dprk and china weren't blockaded

they would be able to adopt yeah i mean

china's rise

objectively allows these countries

you're talking about to have a better

position internationally

um the more as time advances i recommend

the modern rebels hakeem we know about

hakeem and

those people and we like them

i'm very grateful for this channel and

hope more streams there's going to be

more streams and we appreciate the fact

that

you say that it's definitely going to be

more streams i haven't seen anything

about that from him myself oh it's not

me no point in reform and opening up if

you can't trade yeah

very true

um

uh let's give y'all money

not yet okay we

i think if we had uh

uh hundreds of more viewers

we would consider that

we don't want to take your money yet

i think i would consider taking money

from you guys not you guys but in

general

only when i'm confident that

um

it would allow me to do this full-time

because i can't do this full-time right

now

i am in law school right now and

sucks

but if i could make a living off of this

i would easily drop out

i enjoy uh honestly your video was great

i think the algo was screwed over ammo

content

i don't have proof we don't

it is very strange how we just didn't

we didn't get a lot of views on it you

know

we didn't think everyone would agree

with it but we at least expected people

to maybe be interested in

interested enough to click on it

after the stream would be cool for us in

chat to go and like all the other

infrared

you guys don't have to do that i mean

i'm sure you guys already have liked

them but

um you all got to spam your channel on

reddit

we kind of did that already

um i think we've been up on this channel

so yeah

we also don't want to run into the error

of sharing it in a community that while

getting more exposure will get us

predominantly negative feedback

oh yeah we got to be careful with this a

lot of communities

especially

i find it's extremely reactionary yeah

like

doesn't law school have you reading

depositions of law and all the time how

do you have time

uh

that's what i'm gonna say you know

no comments

i don't know who's watching this

just tanky subs yeah we're focusing on

tankies right now

we're tankies you know that's our people

is it in china's interest for us

military industry to take it apart with

like lego bricks

it's just that fantasy is very just

one-sided western kind of

westernized kind of fantasy of

annihilation

it's more complicated than that

um reddit is terrible i agree i hate

reddit personally tankygang yeah we're

tankies what's up matteo it's the first

time i've seen it a lot of communists

are grumpy i don't get it i want to be

grumpy i just want to be nice to fools

people are very snarky at us you know

they're very passive aggressive and [ __ ]

and a lot of people tend to get angry

when they realize like the world is just

kind of screwed over right now so yeah

um

i enjoyed let me grab two i don't know

where that is time for bad young men

yeah i do gotta go to bed do you think

unions will have a comeback in the usa

we'll save that for another time guys

but for now i'm gonna end the stream

thank you guys so much for being here we

appreciate it

thank you we're gonna have more streams

probably

sometime this week maybe not as much as

last week

definitely the weekend i plan on

streaming again

um

and we're gonna have that collab with

ewoks on friday

so thanks so much for having me here

thank you no problem no problem yeah

thank you for coming home

um see you guys later

all right later everybody