GENERAL STRIKE [2021-11-14]

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have to tell you

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i am

the one armed man

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i am the one armed man

and i've been trying to warn you i've

been trying the best that i can

but all i could do is yell

and you won't hear

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i demand something of this chat

i demand something of you

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what if you just

heard what i said

and didn't make any assumptions

about what it meant

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and in some

way it will all make sense

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thank you

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i just watched the movie today

and actually it's the first time i

watched the movie

i don't know why i never got around to

it but i watched it today because

on the theme

of american patriotism

and what it means to be an american

so i watched this film

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why i watched fire walk with me by david

lynch

which was supposed to be a prequel to

twin peaks

and

it's probably the most beautiful movie

i've seen all year

maybe if not in years thank you so much

smithy

thank you so much smith appreciate you

so much

easily probably the most beautiful film

i've seen in years and years

and

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i don't know how

i don't know if you guys don't realize

this

but

david lynch is on our side

he is more based than you can possibly

imagine and he's on he has to hide a lot

in public he he has to conceal what he

really thinks about this country and

what his real views are

but

you need to understand that that guy's

on our side

probably if not even more right

that dude and mark frost probably i

don't know what's up with mark frost but

both of them

look

see things in a way that

yeah they're looking at it from our

perspective

and it's so weird because um

i used to kind of struggle watching twin

peaks of like

you know thinking about oh what does

this mean what's the meaning of this and

trying to like you know connect dots and

things like that but especially after

doing this streaming [ __ ] and becoming a

public figure and all that

um

i 100 understood that whole film from

start to finish there's not one part of

that film that didn't make sense to me

and as a matter of fact it's almost like

there was a little too much exposition

sometimes but

the film made so much [ __ ] sense to

me absolutely every part of that film

was 100 percent clear to me 100 percent

clear

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seem to

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and it's so weird because

i've always said america is the place

that the east and the west can kind of

finally converge right and this film was

such a huge example of that to me

or david lynch's films in general but

this one in particular was for me just

such a huge example of that

and it's so weird because the things

that pop out are the things that drive

the like the things that pop out into my

head and stick in my head when i was

watching that film

are the things through the use of

symbolism like it just stuck it wasn't

like a meaningless comment you know

it's uh

when the main character or the the focus

character laura palmer when she was

sitting with her her best friend or

whatever on the couch

and her friend was like

if you were falling in empty space you

think you'd go faster or you'd

eventually slow down

and she was like

you'd keep going faster and faster

um

and something like until you realize all

the angels have left you

and then you combust into flames

something like that like it's too late

you just combust into flames

and angels aren't watching you anymore

like all the angels have left you pretty

much

and

to me that's

that's like the

what sums up the entire film that's what

the whole film was about pretty much and

that's what makes sense of every single

part of that film

um

but i think it's relevant because

a lot of the times i feel like i'm

getting gaslighted into thinking i'm an

[ __ ] right

because of the way i antagonize the

american left and sometimes like am i

the [ __ ] am i the baddie like

am i just doing this to be an [ __ ]

and i'm a bad person and that all these

people are good people and like

maybe i'm just a villain and i'm a bad

guy

but

i don't know it's like

watching that film really reminded me

about why i'm coming at it from the

angle that i am

and why i'm doing this

um because

i feel like leftists don't know what

it's like

to be abandoned by all the angels

i think they try to lie to you and

gaslight you

about

that feeling of abandonment

just

there's absolutely no way to make sense

of what's going on in your life not even

just you personally but

maybe if you just think about it in

terms of the american working class

they've been abandoned by angels you

know they're

there's no one to make sense of what's

going on

to them or for them

and they're left just in this kind of

silence where

they have to find ways of escaping

what's going on

you know specifically like uh

opiates are a big example of that you

know

whenever i it's just this

leftist discourse just this discourse

these people have

where

they just

chatter and talk and talk and talk and

try to superimpose and stretch and force

so much

you know meaning on the world and on

people's lives

when there's nothing

you know it's like there's nothing there

there's absolutely nothing there

and it's gotten to a point where these

leftists

you know you're sitting this

you have the working people of this

country addicted to opiates

absolutely abandoned and alone

and the left doesn't know when to just

stop and be like

you're beating a dead horse

attacking them you know

it's like they just keep on attacking

and attacking and attacking

and they keep forcing and forcing and

forcing and

trying to strangle reality

with their limited sense of meaning and

language and discourse

and it's it's gotten to a point where

they're

they're torturing people basically right

they're part of that torture

that the american people are facing

you know one of the

the most important parts

or aspects of that film for me was like

if you don't understand what she said

that all the angels have left you

i would never be able to relate to you

as a human being

if you don't know what she meant by that

like it's not a discourse you know what

i mean just it's not it's not an

activist cause or a discourse to

organize around and and you know cope

about and deny and [ __ ] um

lie to yourself about you really do have

to just

you have to acknowledge

like uh the gravity of that you know

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but

you know

david lynch

the way he makes films is it's about

what this country is and it's about

right just

spiritually and it's

he's dealing with this unique american

nihilism right where

we're pragmatists in america we just

care about what works right

and we don't force meaning on things we

let things just work organically and

authentically

and that's actually why

i think the us is the

is like a point of um conversion between

the east and the west because

it's not a coincidence that lynch is so

into buddhism and whatever because

um

the eastern mentality is also like that

the eastern mentality views the way the

western cartesian mind

tries to you know premise being by means

of the limited sense of rationality as a

vain project right there's

something in the real itself there's an

objective

thing in the real that's beyond us as

individuals that

just is there and in a sense just does

just work right

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and

lynch isn't exactly saying that but he's

more so

opening this space

of ambiguity right where we can just

not force some kind of meaning on

reality and we can

hope or at least

allude to the possibility that a new

sense of meaning can arise out of

reality authentically and organically

but in order to do that

you have to confront reality and you

have to let it speak for itself

and you have to

embrace it in all its evil and darkness

and um

depravity

you have to understand that comes first

you can't keep lying to yourself and

trying to create an insulated

community that's bubbled in from the

world where you just lie to yourself

about the fundamental evil of this world

you have to really let the evil itself

speak and speak for itself

and i don't even know if you can call it

evil maybe you can just call it chaos or

maybe you could just call it darkness or

maybe you could just call it

nothingness you know

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and what if there's a corner of reality

what if there's a part of reality where

there is no discourse

right

where

you don't have

anything to talk about

or to describe because

um you're just fundamentally alone

just fundamentally alone

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i think the point is what if there's an

aspect of reality

that's not covered by the discourse and

can't be covered by the discourse

because it precedes discourse

and comes before discourse

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and that's the reality that these dsa

people and these leftists are calling

fascist

and toxic and chauvinist

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because they're denying

any acknowledgement of it in the first

place

they have to superimpose it with ideals

and ideologies

and i think that's what the left's

relation to the working class of this

country really is i think they don't

want to accept the working class for

what it is i think they want to create

an ideal working class in their heads

and the people more likely to conform to

that ideal

are the people who lie to themselves for

a living and perform

instead of act authentically as part of

their job aka professionals

because

they don't want to accept the working

class for what it is

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i really really feel bad

for these um

lefty people

because i don't think they'll ever ever

ever have a sense of just the beauty of

being able to be reconciled with that

if you really understand how much

you don't know about people and the

people

you'll see there's so much novelty and

so much wealth there

that you're not even acknowledging

like this guy in chat grizz see bear

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he's embedded in his discourse and he

can't escape it

he's not at peace

if you locked this guy in a room by

himself

and told him he's alone

and there's no twitter and there's no

community

and there's nobody he can cope about

reality to

this person would break

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like a sugar cube in the rain

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he has to rely on the discourse to make

himself feel better

and that's why i consider these people

satanic i consider these people

fundamentally evil and fundamentally

satanic

is not only are they denying

that there's a part of reality that's

ambiguous

not only are they denying that there's a

part of reality

that's not consolidated

and which is the source

of reality itself

they're actively trying to

deny it

they're actively trying to

crucify any expression of it

you need that sense of community no you

don't need that sense of community what

if i told you

that

being part of a discourse is the root of

all [ __ ] evil huh

what if i told you that

worshiping discourse worshiping the

reflection of one

word to another one idea to another

instead of

forcing yourself to confront an idea's

real material

origins on its own terms what if i told

you that's the source of all evil in

this world

the recursion of deferring to others

instead of confronting the source

of meaning independently and in solitude

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no all of you are wrong in the chat

trying to make sense of what i'm saying

there's no discourse for you to bounce

off of there's no meaning for you to

rely on

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what am i saying

i'm saying i'm the one armed man

i'm trying to convey something to you

that can't be conveyed through this

medium

this is a medium that's inherently

bounded up with the illusion that

you're not alone and that i'm talking to

you right now and that i'm here with you

and that we're part of some kind of

discourse we're talking together and

we're speaking together and that

everything i'm saying is

loaded with the intentionality of trying

to

respond to a definite audience and just

seek attention from people

what if i just wanted to address

the source of speech itself what if i

didn't want to talk to anyone or give

you a message or signal anything to you

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what if i just wanted you to think about

it

alone

we're not together

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and that's what the one-armed man is

the one-armed man driving in his car

and he's yelling at laura palmer and

her father

and he's doing it in vain he's doing it

through a medium that's not possible

he's embodied in this world

so the real meaning or the real

consequences of what he's trying to say

to tell them and warn them about

it's just not possible to convey

because he's approaching them in a car

and they're thinking in terms of like

oh this is a person in a car what do

they want from me what are they saying

it's a tragedy

it's a tragedy

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that's what i'm doing now

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honestly it's the ending of the film

that

really proves to me

that david lynch is way way more based

than anybody realizes like

when i say based he might even be a

right winger of some kind i don't know

but he's based no matter what he is

fundamentally a populist david lynch is

fundamentally an american populist

and the reason

i'm telling you he's a populist

is this

i'll prove it to you in two seconds

so at the end of fire walk with me

um

laura is eventually killed right she's

brutally murdered

and you see her

in the um

it's hard to explain it to you because

a lot of people have this metaphysical

interpretation of twin peaks where like

all the black lodge

and the spirits and they're reading too

much into it and they don't really

understand

how that

that world is meant to

come together right they think that it's

like oh it's supernatural or

it's not true you really just have to

suspend

you know your

neurotic

um compulsion to force meaning right

so she's in this just let's just say

like uh afterlife right because maybe

that'll be a good word to

describe

it and

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eventually she's looking at this blue

light like the same one that she looked

at earlier in the film it's hard to

explain it to you

and there is actually an angel right she

actually sees an angel

and

that is a really really groundbreaking

um

way of ending the [ __ ] film because

what lynch is basically saying is that

in the moment

where

it seems to you

that all the angels have abandoned you

right where it's just how could it

possibly be

that there's

that angels could survive this or with

stannis they've all abandoned you right

you're left completely

alone to combust and it's called fire

walk with me because

you're just uh become fired right you

become

just this uh

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endless combustion

right

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so

the fact that

at the ending there's an angel there

right and she's looking at an angel

let me put it this way right

it's the same idea that

think about all the unspeakable things

that happen on epstein's island right

imagine then you find out the whole time

he was being caught in 4k

that's what it means

like wow that's

that has implications right

and for there to be an angel there when

all the angels were supposed to have

abandoned her in her in her mind

means

i interpret it as it has revolutionary

consequences you know for

our world

what are angels

i i would interpret angle angels is

recognition right just

this this minimal ability to be

recognized by some kind of other

and

for someone to give you meaning or to

just you know how they say angels are

watching you it means like whatever

you're going through there's some light

at the end of the tunnel or

there's people for whom this makes sense

right maybe if you don't doesn't make

sense to you it makes sense to someone

else right you can look at it that way

but

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the basic idea is this

all of those people who have been

let's say this is the populist

implication right this is like the

populist implication

of what he was saying

um

all the people who uh

are left behind and abandoned by

institutions

um

they may not be consolidated by some

these institutions right angels have all

fled and abandoned them

but

the fact that there's an angel there

basically means that

there's if you want to look at it like

in a maoist way or whatever it's like

there's a party of a new type there's

gonna be some kind of way in which this

contradiction

is

going to have consequences and

implications for the world like this

people left behind by history and by the

institutions and who are fundamentally

irredeemable and deplorable

those people

um

those people are going to be recognized

in some kind of way

right and

also the evil and the crimes of the

ruling class right are going to be

exposed in some kind of way like now we

can see you does that make sense

this is not maybe that's not his

intention for the ending but he does it

so you're supposed to interpret it in

your own way and that's that's how i

interpret it that's why i think he's a

populist right he's saying

that yes

there's a dirty scandalous part of our

reality that the media and the

mainstream society and the voices

that are you know

the popular voices and the discourse

they are not able to make sense of it or

they're not talking about it right and

that alone is like an extremely

scandalous

groundbreaking and fundamentally

revolutionary

um

insight

you know

and that's also how i've been thinking

about the general strike

and why it is that lefties are so

hostile to the general strike and this

idea of the general strike and i and the

reason is because

the general strike is going to tap into

a part of the population the majority

the actual working people of this

country

that have been completely neglected and

left behind and completely abandoned by

the left and when that tsunami and that

hurricane of the people is tapped into

and is unleashed

these leftists are [ __ ] scared

shitless of their judgment

they're scared absolutely shitless of

like what what are the consequences that

has for them they're they're so used to

being able to [ __ ] um

control people

and

create a base a fake artificial potemkin

village base of the working class that

is 100 percent

you know

always already reflexive and

institutionally consolidated and a

general strike

is going to create a circumstance of

chaos fundamental chaos that is beyond

the sphere of their control and their

planning and they are scared

of their inability to withstand the real

they know that they can only [ __ ]

support and sustain their existence on a

mountaintop of lies

right but what if they were actually

thrown into the wilderness of reality

but they think reality is fundamentally

evil

they think reality is bad and evil and

that they need some kind of [ __ ]

shelter to save themselves from it

to me i stand by the general strike and

i'm with the general strike because

that's the only way that's the only way

we're gonna actually rekindle a

connection with this country's working

people

as communists

we have to believe in the general strike

we have to talk about the general strike

it happened in france last year it

happened in india

you're seeing the john deere workers go

on strike you're seeing resistance

against the vaccine mandate this [ __ ]

country is right for a general strike

for a nationwide general strike yeah the

union leader of kellogg's

endorse the general strike

that's what these people fear

a general strike

is going to

it's going to be a [ __ ] tsunami it'll

be a hurricane which will wipe all of

these [ __ ] leftists

out of their [ __ ] relevancy

yeah the labor shortage is already an

unofficial mini general strike

a general strikes one of the only things

that can happen that's going to unleash

and reveal the power of the american

working class keep in mind we don't we

don't have a lot of signifiers or

phenomena in this country that reminds

us that we are a working class right

what better than a general strike is

going to remind us of the combined power

of labor in this country that's what

happened in france one of the biggest

achievements of the past five years for

the wet for the west

for western socialism or communism was

the yellow vest and one of the reasons

it was

is because the yellow vest became a

signifier for the working class we

didn't really used to have those it

became a signifier for the united

working class

in the contemporary age now people may

say oh what about red flags and stuff no

those have been co-opted the yellow vest

emerged as a symbol of the real

working class without any prior

political whatever assumptions there is

a working class of this country

right

to me

the way i think about it is that

a general strike or some kind of

equivalent to the yellow vest movement

in america will be the raw material out

of which a working class third party

will be able to base its genesis and its

existence upon right if we can have a

general strike then the american working

class as a class will reveal its

existence

to this country it'll be a distinct

working class that unifies the american

people right because the american people

are now all but synonymous with the

working class

the american people acting as a working

class getting by on their daily grind

day in and day out

finally [ __ ] united as a working

class

that's what the [ __ ] general strike

means

that's what a general strike means right

yeah they can only imagine a revolution

that has already been set in motion and

achieved its own formalization

exactly they need to formalize it before

it even gets off the [ __ ] ground

people ask me questions like huh what's

going to happen if there's a general

strength how are we going to pay for

things how are we going to have child

care

we have to build a new society before no

you go first that's what it means to

have faith

right

that's what it means to be acknowledging

the fact that you are falling in empty

space

and you're going faster and faster

even while it appears that all the

angels are fleeing you

and abandoning you

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me

i see this general strike thing that's

going around this is really what's gonna

separate the real left from the fake one

right i used to say there is no american

left but now i'm starting to have second

thoughts now i'm starting to think about

the fact that we do kind of have an

american left we do have a american left

of some kind

it's the jimmy dore left it's the people

who are involved in the general strike

summit that is a real american left

those are real leftists

those are actually real leftists

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yes have faith but scores of people will

die

shut the [ __ ] up

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shut the [ __ ] up dude

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since when are you the [ __ ] president

of this country overseeing the

management of this country

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trying to act like this is what i

[ __ ] hate about people is leftists

[ __ ] govern for the state

they govern for the state i don't know

that's what [ __ ] the cooks did trying

to stop lenin when the revolution came

around they were going no no no no no

revolution because if a revolution

happens this is what the [ __ ] kotsuki

social democrat pieces of [ __ ] trying to

[ __ ] tell anything i don't know don't

do it now it'll be really dangerous and

catastrophic and there's gonna be a lot

of bad things that are gonna happen

you're governing for the ruling class

you pop

the goal to seize power

the goal is to create power for the

people and that does [ __ ] mean you

risk it all

you [ __ ] [ __ ]

shoot yourself in the [ __ ] foot

before it's even possible

we don't have any [ __ ] working class

power in this [ __ ] country

and you want to shoot yourself in the

[ __ ] foot

because you're [ __ ] worried about the

future don't [ __ ] worry about the

[ __ ] future

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you act like you're in power and you you

[ __ ] do the job of the people in

power for what imagine if you're

in a video game you're in you're in

prison right and there's a possibility

of a prison break and some [ __ ] prisoner

goes no we're not gonna do this prison

break because even when we escape jail

we're gonna have problems out in society

but you have freedom

you'll have the freedom to deal with

those problems

you're doing the job of the guards for

them

who needs guards when we have cuts like

you

who the [ __ ] needs guards when we have

[ __ ] like you trying to shoot us in the

foot before we even have the freedom to

deal with it as a problem

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you know what i mean

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who needs guards when we have [ __ ] like

you

yes

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just cocking yourself when you even

[ __ ] have to

hassan scared shitless of a [ __ ]

general strike we all know he is we all

know hassan's scared of one

and why wouldn't he be scared of one huh

he has every [ __ ] reason in the world

to be terrified of a general strike

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he would lose

his clout he would lose his [ __ ]

credibility he would lose his influence

nobody would [ __ ] watch him anymore

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what are you [ __ ] talking about

why don't you take a day off

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[ __ ] so sick of these left-wing

dumbasses coming and being like how are

you gonna pull off a general

as if the context for this talk of a

general strike is people deciding there

should be one from scratch and just

trying to implement one out of their ass

you [ __ ] idiot workers around this

[ __ ] country have been going on

strike the mainstream media has been

talking about the possibility of a

[ __ ] general strike it happened in

france last year it happened in india

last year there is no [ __ ]

awareness there's so [ __ ] out of

touch with what the reality is right now

there's a [ __ ] labor market shortage

right now the country is being

fundamentally transformed on every

[ __ ] level with the rise of amazon

it's completely disrupting all aspects

of economic life we're [ __ ] looking

at supply chain disruptions and

shortages in basic goods and you're

sitting here talking to me about how are

you gonna pull up a general strike what

if i'm just entertaining the possibility

that there will be one

how are you going to react to a general

strike when it happens that's the

[ __ ] question

probably will happen

you don't [ __ ] have control and

choice over how this is gonna [ __ ]

work you don't just decide you'll just

wake up and decide one day that there

should be a strike

it's just that the conditions in america

right now indicate a phenomena like that

being able to take off and kick off from

the ground

you don't get to decide the terms and

conditions of what that's going to be

like either that's the thing

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yeah let's plan the strike

democratically that's what i [ __ ]

mean

talking about this dumb [ __ ] people are

[ __ ] trying to

understand

well they're not understanding i should

say

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guys none of these people will ever get

in vc

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yo jackson's got a bombshell report too

by the way

remember his tweet about the

professional managerials

and the wikipedia article about

professional managerials he got some of

it from

that wikipedia article the day later was

edited

by someone who is probably

government just like it's like a phillip

cross wikipedia editor that edits like

every single day and in a way that's not

possible for a human being just one

human being so their their eyes are on

us i hope you know and

you know if you're starting to notice

tweets from like

100 follower accounts

that screenshot my tweets go kind of

viral nowadays like they get like 10 000

likes or whatever

i don't

i don't think that's organic i don't

think that's organic i just don't think

it's organic i really do think that

there's some interference going on where

it's like stage one let's just try to

discredit this guy

and completely make him look bad on

social media and then step two is

probably like shadow banning me or

whatever but

you know

yeah center left right on wikipedia and

they actually edit more than philip

cross target myanmar taiwan

yonmi park rohingya all really

yeah

100 [ __ ] percent

government [ __ ]

and they're probably doing it because

they're trying to prevent an awakening

of working-class consciousness in this

country

and they're terrified and for good

reason they're probably absolutely

terrified about the possibility of a

nationwide general strike from ever

happening because the first prerequisite

for something like that which will

fundamentally stop the economy is

working-class people realizing who they

are

saying hey

you know trump's the reason trump's

movement got so much flack from the

media was not because of the racism and

the

non-political correct stuff

you know it wasn't because of that barry

weiss and the

the dark

intellectual dark web people do the same

[ __ ] they don't really come under flack

there's university of austin people

stephen pinker stephen pinker is beloved

by the mainstream media and that guy is

peddling a revived form of scientific

racialism and racism

right

and he has literally racist theories

that he calls scientific they don't have

a problem with that guy they had a

problem with trump

because it was a very primitive form of

working class consciousness or false

consciousness which nonetheless united

the working class

of this country

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in some manner not all of them but it

united like a significant portion of the

working class in this country so much so

that they have come to

acquire self-recognition through trump

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yeah rule and work in class has become

pretty much synonymous

in this day and

age they've become all but synonymous

right there's no real clear distinction

between rural people and working class

people in this day and age

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left last year left twitter was all for

a general strike but it's people well no

it's just the time has changed it's a

different time because you saw how the

john deere people are on strike and you

seeing the strikes that are happening

because of vaccine mandates so now left

twitter is like oh hold on

a strike is going to awaken the

deplorables and not the um baristas

and google tech workers

so we actually don't like general

strikes anymore because now we realize

the people it's going to empower are

toxic and deplorable bad people

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the dsa's angle with this is basically

like oh before we think about general

strikes

let's make sure that

uh the only people participating are

non-toxic and agree with us

ideologically and we have them trained

ideologically

went against them of course he did of

course hassan went against them

yes whether it's forced the vote or the

general strike you are noticing the

pattern of the real left in america

taking shape and this real left does

resemble the left around the world way

more than this fake cia whatever

synthetic left we have i want you guys

to hold fast

and

have faith just have faith

it seems bad right now

maybe from where you're sitting like on

twitter oh all the left on twitter is

against haas and they're always

attacking haas

don't worry dude

just look at jimmy dore's people and his

following

sometimes i talk to jackson

about the american left and he used to

be surprised to me because

he was he's so used to that sphere in

that corner of the internet and they're

it's almost like they're bigger than the

american left right the jimmy dore crowd

who are for the general strike summit

that's a huge huge part

of the um of the online politics fear or

the politics fear in general in real

life it encompasses so many people

really authentic leftists right

actual authentic leftists yeah he gets

hundreds of thousands of viewers

but it's not just jimmy dore it's all

the people he's allying with right now

right

you have to understand hold fast because

we are the normal ones here right

he represents the progressive oh geez

whenever i see that when i was watching

the general strike summit thing i was

like i almost wanted to tear up because

i was like

holy [ __ ]

this reminds me of the left that i fell

in love with this reminds me of the

occupy wall street

left and this reminds me of the

the real like just there's just a sense

of genuineness and sincerity there and i

was like what the [ __ ]

there's actual leftists in this country

who are these people they're like angels

who are these [ __ ] people

you know

it almost made me kind of feel bad

because i was like you know i've been

antagonizing all leftists so much

but i've been neglecting that there's

actually a real left in this country

these people are real leftists

and they're such sincere genuine people

they were saying things in the panel

like hey we can't just write people off

because they're trump supporters or

their deplorables or because they're

right-wingers or conservative they

really do it like that [ __ ] i could see

how that [ __ ] is just [ __ ] terrifying

to the to our government and the

powers that be that's so scary to them

that these people just organically and

authentically exist

you know

and it's it don't get me wrong because

i'm still gonna keep

critiquing and attacking leftism

because it is very very easy to be um

co-opted

it's very easy to be [ __ ] co-opted

and like um

it's really easy to be co-opted and fall

into the trap of american leftist

[ __ ]

so a lot of base people can fall into

that trap

but as far as i'm concerned there are

real socialists and communists in this

country they are good people they're not

fundamentally biased

or

you know deranged psychotic people

they're good people who see

that's why i'm not a right-winger i'm

fundamentally not a right-winger as much

as i can get along with right-wingers

and i'm friends with them

and i see them as human beings i'm a

human being first i i'm not one because

i do believe there's a real left i think

there's an authentic left it's just not

being given

proper recognition or attention right

uh reactionaries concerning written

house um well everybody's got

limitations right but it just gives me

hope that there's some leftists in this

country who are so independent from the

discourse

that they could do something like what

the fred hampton left was able to do

right that just gives me a sense of hope

that's like it's not on the same level

but it's like a sense of hope like uh

the angel at the end of fire walk with

me like there are angels you know there

really are angels

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saying that you're

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henry wallace isn't that the guy from

texas

he was like a normal farmer from texas

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yeah he was a farmer

or he was from iowa

yeah i know henry wallace is

he was based he represents

the american socialist realist

so what will the dsa fake left say if a

general strike occurs spontaneously

they're going to be against it just look

at their response to the strikes over

vaccine mandates they're going to be

reactionaries against this and i need

you guys to appreciate what the term

reactionary has meant historically

now historically reactionary has meant

exactly the type of thing that you're

witnessing

when it comes to the american left

in its response to the generals they are

reactionaries whether it's to me or to

jackson or the general strike people or

jimmy dore

they're basing they're they're

fundamentally reactionary they're basing

their whole [ __ ] existence off of

being reactionaries

they have nothing positive to offer

anymore all they can do is try to turn

back the wheels to a time

that's all they do they say huh you're

going too far

i don't like these new developments

that's all they do though right

yeah they're doomer pill they're irony

poisoned and that's all they [ __ ] do

is spit venom on others you know those

general strike people weren't even

really focusing time on critiquing or

attacking the left it's just that the

left just started attacking now why out

of nowhere right because the

reactionaries

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wow

henry wallace the march of freedom in

the past 150 years has been long drawn

out people's revolution

in this great revolution of the people

there was the american revolution the

french revolution the latin american

revolutions of the bolivarian era the

german revolution of 48 the russian

revolution of 1918 each spoke for the

common man in terms of blood on the

battlefield

wow i didn't even know he said that

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you know a lot of the times what people

really mean by marxist leninist

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is

what they really mean

is

i'm creating a mental prison

outside of which i'm gonna denounce all

the reality

right i'm gonna make a special little

bubble a discursive bubble and exclude

everyone who's outside of my discursive

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the only discursive bubble that infrared

has is a discursive bubble

that excludes all other discursive

bubbles we're a discursive bubble that

does not tolerate

we are gatekeepers only against

gatekeepers we have a bubble only

against other bubbles

otherwise we're completely open to

reality

as it is

could have prevented the cold war

created a united front against british

colonialism with the soviet

union mark frost was a big fdr guy i

know that

yeah the type of ml that attacks jimmy

north being a sock them translation

right

they have a discursive bubble that's

part of the psychosis of the insular

professional managerial american left

and they're attacking jimmy dore because

he's outside of their little discursive

bubble that's literally all you that's

all you have to know when it comes to

these people attacking jimmy dore and

knocking on an open door attacking him

for

for no [ __ ] reason

you know

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is

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you know what i really think

i want to ask you guys a question

do these socialists or communists

wherever they are

do they love the working class

just like how jesse lee peterson has

destiny do you love black people do

these people love the working class do

they love them

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if i ask them do you love the working

class what would they say

they don't love the working class

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they just hate their parents

they just hate their parents they do not

love the working class

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and what does it mean to have love in

your heart for the working class of this

country

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it means to recognize them

as

the absolute point of our common

humanity

just like how

when you're in love with a person you

recognize them as the absolute point of

your own personal humanity to have love

for the working class of this country

means

you recognize them as the common point

of our all our whole common humanity in

this country as americans

it's in the working class it's in the

people working day in and day out that

are keeping this machine going

that's who these it's the people

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out of whose work we live and off of

whose work

we live

mutually and in common

that's what it means

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holding

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something to show me

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strike being a great utopian idea in

theory but bad strategy strikes require

more mutual aid for real people dude you

are [ __ ] stupid you are [ __ ]

stupid

you are just not [ __ ] listening to

what i [ __ ] said for the last five

hours or even what i've [ __ ] written

about it on [ __ ] twitter

you can't create a [ __ ] society first

and then

you your art a general strike is chaos

it's a risk

and you improvise after

it's like the slogan used to be

the working class has nothing to lose

but it's changed but now it's um who's

gonna who's gonna make the coffee and

frappuccinos for me um who's gonna do

the door dashing for me who's gonna pay

for my netflix subscription oh um could

you mind if like we make sure we have

the hot water running because i want to

take a nice quick a hot bath and

oh can we still have scented candles

it's like you are trying to [ __ ]

account for something and formalize

something you can't formalize

you're [ __ ] putting the cart before

the horse the thing that comes first is

the common passion

and common [ __ ] action of the people

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i'm sure if a strike was prolonged for a

long period of time mutual aid networks

and direct seizures of means of

production would probably happen i'm

just saying that descriptively too i'm

not even advocating for anything

but

for you to try and counter signal

against the [ __ ]

general strike idea that's going around

just because you're well we're not

really prepared who's we huh

who's striking john deere's on strike

americans across the country are on

strike

there's literally a strike wave going on

in america right now

a huge strike wave

just written minneapolis school bus

drivers unanimously vote to strike that

was just [ __ ] seven hours ago

well how are the kids gonna go to school

and receive an education house are you

against kids receiving education did

those school bus drivers take into

account how the students are gonna go to

school

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kroger houston workers

consider strike over contract nation

strike climate

deal with coal

strike okay that's different

they're starting striking a deal

for like a month

you said revolution hurts and it might

not for me personally but just like

drone strikes we have to consider the

effects of our actions you are not in

[ __ ] control you are not in control

stop acting like you can control reality

and micromanage reality and make reality

in such a way that it's gonna that's not

how it [ __ ] works you need to be open

for [ __ ] chaos

you need to be open to the possibility

of chaos and even if you don't [ __ ]

do anything and just sit on your ass

chaos is coming whether you like it or

not

i don't need your [ __ ] copium your

gynocopium in my chats

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what i hate is not what you're saying i

hate the idea you're projecting that we

have control over how this works and

that we can sit around and

democratically decide based on our moral

responsibility what's going to happen

you can't that's just not how it [ __ ]

works

you don't have the control you think you

do and the what you're really doing

you're not controlling the situation all

you're doing is acting on behalf of the

people in power by micromanaging and

administrating for them your it's like

the analogy i said let's say

hypothetically you were in a prison or a

prison camp or something right

and there's an opportunity to escape

and someone

one of the prisoners goes um we're not

gonna escape because once we exit out of

the prison um

we're gonna have to deal with the

problem of loneliness because we're all

single

you don't even have the freedom to deal

with that problem yet stop making

excuses because like i said with excuses

like that who needs guards who needs

guards with [ __ ] excuses like that

what i mean

it's like you're getting ahead of

yourself you're just getting ahead of

yourself when the thing the important

thing here and now is the question of is

a strike going to happen is a general

strike going to happen what does a

general strike mean how are political

leaders going to relate or maybe

initiate a general strike that's the

question right now the question is not

you know uh

[ __ ]

well how are we gonna make sure the

outcome is gonna be good

that's not how it works you don't

control this isn't a [ __ ] video game

where you have control over the outcome

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yeah he wants to plan out the industrial

revolution

before turning on this

before [ __ ] turning the steam engine

on

i'm an actual working class

person i don't even have health

insurance i'm talking about the effect

of your ideas on regular people and what

it means for the movement

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what is the effect of my ideas on

regular people are we just talking about

my ideas right now

is that is this just my idea the whole

reason why a general strike is going to

be possible is because it was hazel's

idea

get a [ __ ] grip dude

you sound stupid you need to get a

[ __ ] grip

oh yeah that's why it'll happen because

it was my idea

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yeah it's just because out of hazel's

thought came the idea of a general

strike and that's why one will happen or

that's the condition of one's

possibility

hey buddy where did i get the [ __ ]

thought

of talking about a general strike from

why don't you think about that maybe

it's the context of what's already going

on in this country

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the effect of a general strike causes

actual damage

then you can whine and [ __ ] about it by

yourself

you can whine and [ __ ] about it by

yourself just like the effect of a

revolution causes damage

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and you're complaining to me like i'm

the you're like a karen complaining to

me like i'm the manager of the general

strike this is actually going to cause

damage you know

karen complaining to the manager of

general strikes like i'm the one

responsible for what happening

i'm just against you counter-signaling

one

that's what i [ __ ] hate it's the

biggest

who needs [ __ ] who needs cia when you

have people like this who the [ __ ] needs

i it's the most disgusting f i hate it

so much who needs guards when you have

prisoners like these

i'm saying that wildcat

jelly

jelly i'm gonna give you

one last chance to properly register my

words

if you don't get it after what i tell

you right now

i'm going to ban you from my chat

you are operating under the presumption

that a general strike is going to happen

because it's being willed into reality

by moral agents who have ideas and that

you could just replace it with a wildcat

strike because that same agent

considered it better but

have you ever [ __ ] considered the

fact that the reason people are talking

about general strikes right now is

because they're describing a reality

they actually don't have any control

over and that you're not going to be

able to decide whether it's going to be

a general strike or a wildcat strike

because that's not the relationship

between moral agents and the reality

we're talking about so let me if you

tell me one more time that strikes cause

damage and you're getting banned

you have to

say something new because i've been

telling you the same [ __ ] thing for

an hour and if you have nothing new to

say i'm banning you from my chat

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remember

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you know i saw a meme once

on twitter years ago like in 2017 and it

was like

if the revolution is not uh wheelchair

accessible then it's [ __ ]

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and

that really epitomizes the mentality

these people have

you know what i mean

like

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what do you what do you mean it's

[ __ ]

you're talking about a revolution you're

talking about the collapse

of

the government

and the seizure of power that's not

something you you can micromanage and

like make morally

airtight and control or preside over in

some kind of way

like

these people just don't understand chaos

they don't recognize

they have no recognition for the

possibility of just chaos

right it terrifies them

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marxism lenders are the greatest

ideological progression of the world but

the two countries that are having

revolutions are being run by maoists who

hold same-sex marriages

what does that have to do with anything

what what is your point that they have

same sex marriages i don't understand

the point you're trying to deny who

asked

like what does that have to do with

anything

um but

what are you [ __ ] talking about

two countries that are having

revolutions

you know what india and philippines hold

on

those revolution those are not [ __ ]

revolutions they're protracted wars

protracted people's wars the one in the

philippines is suspected of having ties

to the us government because of the

resistance of the duterte government to

the um

america's agenda for the region

and i'm

sympathetic i don't know if i could say

that but as far as the naturals are

concerned

they've been dwindling they haven't been

making a lot of headway and it's been

years decades and decades and decades

that's not a revolution dude revolution

doesn't just

so how do you get to decide that your

way is the way

we see success in france where yellow

vests get demanded by protesting on

weekends and again

okay so jelly you didn't actually

understand what i said enjoy your ban

it's like these people i feel bad for

them because they're literally unable to

comprehend that this is not a matter of

my way or your way it's a matter of what

happens and you don't have control you

don't [ __ ] have control as a moral

agent over what [ __ ] happens you

don't have control it is not about my

way or your way or another way it's

about realistically assessing what's

actually gonna [ __ ] happen

you don't have

you don't have a moral dominion over the

outcome

where you're gonna reflexively decide

what happens

because you argued it most persuasively

holy [ __ ]

it's like they can't even comprehend

that idea he just immediately went

straight to projecting my way

completely missing the [ __ ] point

so what did the bolsheviks do

lenin specifically

on the uh before

the october revolution was planned so to

speak

made the decision

without any [ __ ] guarantee whatsoever

and against his own party by the way

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that now was the time and they said len

and lennon we're not ready we're not

ready the conditions are not ready

there's a lot of harm is going to come

from this and he said no if we don't see

this window of opportunity

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we'll be set back by decades and decades

and decades and who gives a [ __ ] about

the consequences because at least we

will have the liberty to deal with those

consequences in the first place

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was the prime and precise example

of one of the greatest if not the

greatest revolutionary in the history of

the world

and yes

you could say mao

you know that there's a comparison with

mao

but

mao and lenin

the two greatest revolutionaries in the

history of the world

or at least the modern world right

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do you are sinking on a sinking ship

going hold on

hold on don't get on the lifecraft we

get lost at sea exactly

that's exactly what i mean

why and how can people be against the

general strike because they are scared

of the deplorable working class being

empowered in any kind of way it's as

simple as that

it's literally as simple as that it does

not get any more clear and simple as

that wow

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channel

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listen maoism it was invented

by uh the

psychopath murderer

uh complete deranged psycho murderer

gonzalo and the uh

a psychopathic um

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shining path

sendero luminoso

has nothing to do with mount seiton

thought

so don't don't sit here and tell me

about so-called maois

who are calling the china revisionist or

whatever

because those reforms were on track

undermount in china so they're lying

those reforms were on track in china

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senderos anarchists absolutely they're

anarchists

but you know you know the thing about

anarchists is that anarchists do not

actually create chaos

anarchists serve they represent the

excesses of the order that prevails

only marxist leninists actually create

chaos

lenin created chaos not the [ __ ]

russian anarchist they didn't create any

chaos

you notice that

true chaos to me

represents

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the only path

to salvation and grace

if you do not pass through chaos to

acquire grace and salvation you are

living in a palace of lies

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and the thing about the bolsheviks

is that they represented a redemption of

the russian civilization amidst this

chaos yes the czar could not be redeemed

the monarchy could not be redeemed the

empire could not be redeemed it had

become so thoroughly corrupted

and irredeemable

by that time but those other people

that the bolsheviks were the the

mensheviks

the um

the anarchists

the liberals

these people had designs and planned for

russia that the bolsheviks saved russian

civilization from

ultimately

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here's what i actually think i don't

think lenin really hated the czar i

think lennon told the czar hey it ain't

personal

but you gotta go bozo you know

something like that

know what i mean

it's like hey dude nothing personal

but we'll take it from here because

western liberalism will not conquer

russia

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i know his older brother

was a

narodnik

if i'm pronouncing that correctly

as you sound like an orthodox christian

are you gonna become one

i already am one

i'm a perennial i'm a perennial uh i'm

spiritually perennial it means

but specifically islam and orthodox

christianity

are my two

vital sources of spiritual uh

that's what i draw from spiritually

ultimately i'm muslim right

but

sometimes i uh

i'm in a different mind state or i'm in

a different context but yes or you know

i could i could go to an orthodox church

probably and fit right in you know i

could go to an orthodox procession or an

orthodox funeral or a wedding or

something and it would make perfect

sense to me i would fit right in you

know and it would be absolutely uh

completely normal and natural to me

right

let me just say that

they talking down on the game

donald trumpston thinks you're inspired

by larouche and work with them

uh well we do work with pesto mime and

pesto mine i think is part of them but

besides pesto mime i don't we don't have

a connection

but there we have people from larouche

that i think email us and pm us that

like us

and we we're friendly with anyone who's

friendly with us

with with within bounds of reason right

like uh

genuinely hateful people we're not

affiliated

i've heard that before i've heard that

idea around before

all i can say is uh it reminds me look

whenever reactionaries are dealing with

a new phenomena they invent conspiracy

theories

because they can't accept that this is

just something that upsets their

worldview one of the examples of this

was the anti-semitic theories after the

bolshevik revolution to in order to

explain

uh communism right

they couldn't accept this was a new

thing on its own term so they were

inventing these new uh theories in order

to explain it

also same thing with the french

revolution uh i mean these things the

french revolution admittedly

there were conspiracies behind it right

in terms of like the ruling class

coordinating or whatever and occult

um

whatever but

the idea that it was all reducible to

that and that none of that had to do

with an actual authentic

thing you know

it's a code

it's time to [ __ ] up the whole game

we are infrared is part of a conspiracy

but the infrared collective are the only

uh conspirators

we are the only conspirators in this

conspiracy

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we're not puppets of any organization

higher than us we are the organization

and we've been here for years and years

and years in silence

i've read larouche's works i don't know

why

this idea that like oh it's larouche

i've read larouche i know who he is

i've met i've talked to

members of them i have disagreements but

he's a bro he's a very smart guy

his books are very insightful and

there's a lot of lot of information in

them just about history

right

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the fact that you talk about this [ __ ]

every [ __ ] day makes me think you're

lonely

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who the [ __ ] are you

darth maul

is saying that because i'm a twitch

streamer it makes him think i'm lonely

well this is what i do for a living now

you [ __ ] idiot

so am i lonely i mean

i have to be in a sense right but

that's why i take breaks

where i go and you know

meet up with people

and

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that's why i'm going to la in a month

so no i'm not really lonely

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variety please

hey i'll help you out dude i'll help you

out

there you go

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hold

on um

oh [ __ ]

music

i i literally can't sit in silence for

one minute without people bitching and

complaining you know that

they just oh you always constantly need

[ __ ] attention

and something to be going just leave i'm

not gonna force you to [ __ ] stay just

leave

go [ __ ] do something else

i'm not [ __ ] here to babysit you and

entertain you constantly

but anyway

yo kiana's doing an irl speed dating

thing

what the [ __ ] i want to see with that

hold on let me see this

i want to check this out i don't we're

not going to spend too much time but i

just want to see what's going on

you see

are you guys doing already

i don't know how to attract dude we've

been live for two hours that's milena

yeah how long do you want to be oh

that's destiny's fiancee

where's the content

where's the speed dating what's going on

who are these people in the back

oh yeah

dude everybody looks awkward

these guys look so

awkward look how awkward they look in

real life

i bet you they're going to be so [ __ ]

awkward

i bet they're going to be so [ __ ]

awkward

during the speed dating thing and the

thing with me

is that i'm the same on and off camera

i'm exactly the same ask anyone who's

met me

you know christ

love that guy

uh yeah what do i say do i just say my

name or something

something

barrett why don't you be less [ __ ]

annoying dude hi i'm read the room

what's up

what

my name is quay it's like the first part

of quaalude or the first part of

question it just depends on how you want

to pronounce it

question yeah it's like i have a

question how old are you i'm 19. 19. um

how old is she

how tall is uh how tall are they

supposed to know her age i just met her

ah

okay it's

21 23. okay

okay okay i was close sort of started

kind of it's good

yeah yeah yeah okay

oh yeah

that's okay yeah hell yeah so uh are you

uh

with your because you're a girl here and

we're on a date i'm assuming you're

bisexual

yeah yeah you're bisexual have you ever

dated women before

nope

have you ever sat with a woman

sure why not you can send two weird

questions yeah sure why not sexual

questions

i'm gonna say some stupid [ __ ] but by

all means go for it you know t.o.s

five eight manlets hey i guarantee you

and this is actually the truth i

guarantee you

you in your whole entire life you will

never get with anyone

who's one-tenth

of what i've already gone with in your

whole life you will live your whole

[ __ ] life

never ever

knowing what it's like

to have my level

that's the truth you will never in your

whole life talk to the women i talk to

you will never in your whole life

have the options that i have i want you

to know that you're you

you can go beginning to the end you will

never have my option

five seven oh i thought i'm five eight

what happened

you're changing it now and i'm balding

yeah even if i'm completely bald it will

be the same thing and tay you just said

ratio i think you're lost you don't know

i think you think you're in twitter or

something guys show him who's getting

ratio so one's in the chat

if tay

is a bitter lonely loser who's getting

ratio right now one's in the chat

hey i want you to see what it's like to

be away from your

twitter bubble of

people who harass me 24 7 and think that

they're actually the ones winning

so this is what an actual ratio looks

like today these are people who are

actually watching me live right now

investing their time in watching me and

you are absolutely and utterly alone

right now

okay

i hope you know that

so tay here's the thing

if you want to redeem yourself and get

on band you actually have to use your

[ __ ] voice and possibly cam up and

come on my discord

other than that

bye-bye

mods close the pole we're done close the

pole mods close the [ __ ] pole i don't

know what the [ __ ]

this is

the one girl on twitter said you were

5'3 well she must be right then

just like how they said i'm a virgin and

uh what else do they say about me just

like how they said uh

what's the other one i'm five six

and then i'm fat

and that i'm a right winger and i'm a

fascist and what else do they say

everything hey look if you saw it on

twitter it must be true

so i don't know what to tell you

they're twitter's oh then i'm white

twitter's notorious for then i i got

kicked out of law school or i dropped

out of law school twitter's notorious

for telling the truth dude

they're notorious here's the thing right

when i take away your lies when i take

away your [ __ ] lies

hop on the panel

no i don't want to [ __ ] uh do that

when you take away the lies

these people have nothing

when you and there's nothing more

revolutionary and groundbreaking

than the [ __ ] sober

truth

when you the truth will literally make

you shed tears of joy when you realize

that they're just lying about every

[ __ ] thing they say about me and it's

literally all lies

you then [ __ ] get pissed

imagine being me and you get lied about

every [ __ ] day and you know the truth

what do they have if not lies do they

have anything but lies if i took away

every lie and only left them truths

would they have anything with which to

attack me anything just one thing just

one [ __ ] thing

i didn't realize that

like you know two and two clicked

together you know the two brain cells

were working and i realized oh he means

romantically

oops

and then i had to let him down but i

felt really awful about that how come

you didn't date him

not really into him really no have you

ever been into someone

there's a new one it's a micro penis

apparently that's a new one too so there

you go another lie

keep them coming yeah keep them coming

but i have too much food in my mouth

dude that's a [ __ ] move i'm going to

get some food in my system oh my god my

flashlight

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you know it's mostly in real life it's

mostly women

how

i don't know i think girls are just a

lot more

like there's a more there's a more

aesthetic attractiveness to them

i'm pretty sure you can you both of

y'all understand that right yeah yeah

yeah i do so i'd say guys are pretty

neat

too yeah sure of course

yeah no guys are cool too but you know

so far this is a really boring speed

date

okay

i don't know i don't think so

so you would rather have us if you had

to pick

oh yeah uh yeah sure why not yeah

that's cool

so uh post

this is so awkward this is literally so

awkward

this is so [ __ ] awkward

in real life

these people are so awkward in real life

dude you have no idea

chat says you're super pretty thanks for

picking up the mask

oh thanks chad you guys [ __ ] rock

so what do you uh what do you look for

like do you feel like you're looking for

a relationship or a friend benefits

person or

i usually play things by ear there's

really nothing that i specifically look

for in anyone it's sort of like

it's like jazz yo you'll figure it out

as you go

you might not but if you [ __ ] up you

just keep pretending

um

yeah i don't know

uh

i don't know women hot

they're they're pretty neat i have no

idea yeah just shout out to them

sorry i'm a [ __ ] idiot

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[Laughter]

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i guess i could try

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okay

i would love to do this in real life i

would love to do this in real life

because

in real life i'm going to be the same

exact way that i'm on twitch

and

i would not be different at all there

would i would nothing about me would be

awkward i i would be i would i work

better in real life that's the thing i

would be even better in real life than i

am on the [ __ ] internet

i would be more comfortable and less

awkward in real life

well that's not how it works in real

life but if you want to think that's how

it works in real life think that he's so

serious about it matter of fact

if they're doing this in one month

i'm gonna be in la in a month if this is

in la and they're doing it next month

i'll go to this in real life

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um

he's probably living his best life right

now he's probably realizing wow i dodged

a bullet on this one

is circus still going i have no idea

nothing's been planned

you could do this too exactly i mean i

dating

this is where she needs to speak i

thought you meant twitch and i was like

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be talking about like girls and guys i

think usually i've noticed for a lot of

bisexual women they usually like

i guess like this is not meant to be

generalizations of people i've noticed

really like masculine women and feminine

men yeah for me i like ultra feminine

women and ultra masculine men

it's pretty funny

you will never get content in the irl

dating show because people are too

awkward too uncomfortable

and

too unwilling to be funny in real life

everyone wants to just everyone's

willing to be funny on the internet

but it takes a special type of comedian

who's willing to be funny in real life

you know that

look at the stream me jackson and adrie

did at the mall that's a real life

comedian by the way

that's when i went into the [ __ ]

store

that's a real life comedian by the way

and it's weird to have these things

i guess

like sectioned off into specific genders

but that's just how it'd be like and you

want to know why because even before i

ever became a streamer i was doing that

in real life i was being the comedian

around video games or getting into

airsoft and things like that

but hey that's just how i am and that's

just how i roll i just gotta do my own

thing exactly i'm just living my best

life

[Applause]

dude i remember one time i went to the

mall

and uh

it was we were just walking

we're sitting down as a jewelry store

and uh

this was like right out of high school

and then one of my friends

um

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dude is like dude was huge let me just

say super tall and super big in general

just a big dude right

and randomly we just walk by the jewelry

shop and he just

screams into the shop

he goes

the security guard came and gave him a

lecture for like 45 minutes about why

what he did was bad

what do you think about what do you

think

you have to understand that his voice

echoed and boomed because it was really

empty this shop was really big and empty

and it was dark so he just went

like so

something like that

all right

hell yeah

gotta have that social media

you still hang out in miles i like how

i'm talking about something that's

literally like from

eight years ago and someone's trying to

[ __ ] uh

someone's trying to mock me for it you

know just for that you're getting timed

out for six days bye

dude these all these people in the back

are very awkward

all righty

yeah

i'll see you dudes later

yeah

[Applause]

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[Applause]

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where's job

dude

[Music]

that's so weird to say

he's too scared to be like i'm here to

win

someone's heart whatever

dude who says i'm here to enjoy my time

why aren't you dating

no we're just we're mutual friends

she is

she's very free she's very cool she's

very cool yeah we played smash together

she's pretty sick

she seems like you like her

as friends yeah yeah yeah

what kind of you know will he [ __ ] his

friends

his friends

you're not like recognized

no

i feel like

yeah you're good yeah you're fine

you're fine yeah you're good okay cool

if you um

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wow we went 0-100 huh um

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i find zero attractions

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um okay yeah i

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dude i know for a fact that in real life

i would have to carry this whole

conversation my shoulders would hurt for

how much i have to carry it turning me

on my mind you're gonna make me like

feet yeah yeah

that's that's gonna be tough

have you ever had

yeah i mean maybe maybe

ja could carry me dude i think you think

all means strong

i think that's what you think

when the opposite is probably true dude

the op the literally the opposite is

probably true

sometimes the things that i found the

nastiest

if i'm in a sexual moment i can get

really turned on by it but i feel sick

afterwards

yeah yeah

i've jerked off to uh girls licking

toilet plates

because

you know what

that's

i'll give you a round of applause for

that you know

that that takes a lot of bravery to say

something like that yeah i gotta say

lot of things but i'm just saying that

sometimes if i'm really against

something i try to jerk off to it and it

works very well yeah because i feel like

i can't come to this i can't i can't can

i tell you this

because i feel like it's yeah

dude

made me better at game how

we'll see where it goes we'll see where

it goes i don't know have you ever just

like masturbated something because you

were curious if you could like how do

you make me adjust

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without being tossed

i'm just trying to think should i say

that i don't even know what the question

is

say yes

something that i didn't find attractive

there's so many like bad avenues you can

go down yeah there's some there's some

weird [ __ ] on the internet

hey

personally but what about people that

like sweets they're okay they're okay

if i were to date a girl and she liked

pink i would not be a person

that's cool that just means my feet

what would you feel okay if you were

dating someone and she really wanted you

to lick your feet and you were like i'm

not doing it

and then she

went out one night when you and she got

someone else to lick her feet i'd be so

mad would you be i think i'd lick her

feet just so that she wouldn't do that

really yeah

if i really cared about her yeah i'd

have to so you would feel jealous if

someone just licked your face that'd be

[ __ ] up really even though you said

you don't want that you would actually

feel the envy of it

i if if i'm dating her i feel like

we we have to make you know

we have to make

like sacrifices yeah in a sense right

and so i think i think i would just say

yes initially

but if she's if she said no and then did

i'd be pretty mad

i might break break up with you what if

she said i know you don't like this i

won't do it

i'd be pretty

good but but she still went out and did

it with somebody else

just

just the beat that'd be weird

i'd be weirded out then at that point if

no i would not eat ass

i would not eat ass okay

yeah you still want to talk about feet

does chad still want to talk about feet

how many feet

how many feet

oh you want me to go that deep no none

of my game comes from reading

where the [ __ ] you get that from

i'm average

i'm not like i'm not like

you know

the next greatest porn star i'm an

average guy what if you did become

okay well don't call it mediocre

my first

you know what that's crazy my favorite

movie is monsters inc really

not mike wazowski no it's because the

same name

not because this is how people bully in

real life they're not actually

explicitly mean but

they're very snarky and

passive-aggressive

back-handed insults

they were so sad

aren't they both like 21

every time i see kiana i think of her as

like older than me you know that that's

so i hate that dude i need to start

[ __ ]

respecting myself more i'm literally 25

years old

she could literally be like a baby

sister to me

she's like 21 dude why the [ __ ]

do i like because she's so successful

that's the only reason

damn

that's [ __ ] up

she's 24

but in high school if i was a senior

she would have been

a sophomore

or a junior

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i always use the high school rule what

would they be if i was a senior in high

school no let's not do that one and

that's the standard i hold people too

let's not do that i mean like we could

just not have massive money no like none

of the none of the penis names we could

just call me michael or mikey or my name

yeah what if i hear michael i think

about the office

yeah that's a lot of people do that yeah

can we call you scott half your age plus

seven why

yeah i mean i guess will she beat the

pam to your gym

you could be the panda my gym

what do you think of molina

yeah would you bathe

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animated crush

when i was like

or something no when i was like five

yeah

uh and i watched like i watched like

boomerang which is like the older

cartoons

and like powerpuff girls are on it i

really like bubbles from the powerpoints

i was

did you ever masturbate no

jesus again i was like five sugar okay

i didn't know that happened

you look at her you're like no

not when you were five no now i'm not

turning on my bubbles from power

is there any animated character

we're getting real deep tonight huh um

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i apologize well we're talking about

animated characters

yeah is is it just me is it just me or

is november really slow

is there just not a lot of going not a

lot going on in november

what's going on in november there's just

not a lot going on in november

how do i not go to sleep watching this

hey i'm going to tell you the truth guys

the truth is

the truth is

i

am out of content

right now like today for sunday there's

just not a lot of news there's not a lot

going on

nothing's really going on i'm just out

of content

that's why the showdown is supposed to

be the next big thing infrared does

i'm telling you guys the truth i'm out

of content right i don't really have any

videos to react to let me see if there's

any new channel fives i think there's

supposed to be one

but

no dude we can't we can't have boring

[ __ ] that's the thing

we can't have boring [ __ ] but there's no

one's wants to debate me right now

there's no people willing to debate me

there's

there's not a lot going on right now

okay i'm telling you the truth there's

not a lot going on right now

there's really not much going on in the

world right now right and i'm gonna be

re i'm gonna say something that's gonna

shoot me in the foot it's gonna shoot me

in the foot but i'm gonna be completely

honest with you guys i feel like if i

wasn't a twitch streamer and i was just

randomly browsing twitch

i would just be like yeah i don't feel

like watching twitch today i'll just

watch a movie instead or something one

of those days you know i feel like i'd

be like yeah i don't really feel like

watching twitch today

you know what i mean

usa is trying to do a color revolution

tomorrow where

why what's going on

cuba

you see

stand up between cuban activists and oh

there's a march tomorrow

we'll see we'll cover that march

tomorrow i like to do creative [ __ ] so i

guess that's my interesting thing right

like i made uh interesting i've never

met someone that does that before the

clown timeline

it's probably too soon i'm not gonna

watch

um i don't know if you know who ludwig

is

uh i made a controller for him this

weekend

this weekend yeah yeah

so

is it that's control

it's a ball set you know like truck nuts

it's like that but on a controller oh

that was so nice did he ever show us

yeah he loves can you give my channel a

shout out and you're not even a gifted

[ __ ] sub

you don't even have a gift [ __ ] thing

next to you you want me to shout out

your channel

i'm kidding i wouldn't shout it out

anyway you want to give me a shout out

yeah for sure you can just hit him just

look me up

my name's sicknasty on twitter

sick

nasty

with two e's

nasty

it was great i had a good time

asked a lot of personal questions was

that okay

it was interesting it was interesting i

i don't usually answer those personal

questions so

it was nice to

answer yeah you know i don't usually do

this kind of thing

but thank you for having me on

yeah thanks for having me

well thanks for having me thank you so

much this is really cool thank you

really cool thank you thank you i wish

you loved all the controllers

[Applause]

[ __ ] jubilee [ __ ] jubilee i'm not

watching jubilee because it's [ __ ]

boring

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oh one should we do one more

one more yeah

my name is

i'm going to watch some asian boss i am

going to watch some asian walls i'm

going to watch some asian boss

i am actually interested in that

how did they come

that guy right there

questions

oh yeah did you guys see the elon musk

tweet do you guys see the elon musk

thing because i want to give my take on

this right

okay

gonna keep going

i want to give you the truth of my take

this is the truth

it's the truth

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thank you villain

thank you so much milan now you make me

feel bad thank you so much for the fight

man appreciate you a lot

appreciate you a lot so guys this is a

tweet right

and it's called

i keep forgetting you're still alive

and bernie goes we must demand that the

extremely wealthy

pay their fair share

period

and elon goes i keep forgetting you're

still alive

and where does haas stand

where does haze stand on this

that's where i stand

i'm sick of all of you defending bernie

at this point stop defending bernie i

don't care that it's elon musk saying

this [ __ ] i don't like elon musk

obviously i think he's cringe and i

think he's a scam artist but here's the

thing the people stand with him

clearly because this guy's [ __ ]

morally bankrupt if you bernie all you

do is keep yelling and complaining that

you want to tax the rich you've done

nothing to actually fulfill any of that

politically or strategically speaking

and

i'm sick of it i'm sick of hearing about

bernie i'm sick of dude you lost your

chance to be [ __ ]

respected by me right anymore i don't

respect him anymore and i don't care so

and and you know what

here's the thing

here's also the thing that i gotta

you gotta keep in mind is that

this is actually true for me too i do

keep freaking that bernie sanders

is still a thing

that's the thing that's what makes it

really funny is that

i find this tweet very relatable

you know

um

okay i don't okay so somebody pointed

this out and

y'all are gonna get mad when i point

this out i know y'all are gonna get mad

when you point this out but

oh i just gotta

i just gotta

educate you about something all of you

people who are very emotional about

politics i want y'all to understand

something right i want y'all to

understand something

okay you know

let me tell you what

this is like facts i'm sorry to break it

to you i don't know whose ideological

bubble

i'm breaking when i say this

i don't i don't know if you know how

much 2.7 trillion is but focusing on the

personal wealth of billionaires

literally is a distraction now i agree

there is a huge

financial rigging of this system in

favor of the one percent and the rich

but that mainly takes the form of their

institutions these vast financial

institutions and banks and hedge funds

and things like that

right and things like blackrock that's

what you got to keep your focus on your

attention to when you focus on the

personalities of

listen like it or not whether it's

because they're stupid or not most

americans find elon musk relatable

they're like oh that could be me fine

then let him let them you're not going

to convince them to not find him

relatable because he's a personality

right but these huge institutions which

are financially rigging our system in

their favor and creating this monopoly

on our economy those aren't [ __ ]

relatable so you should focus on them

instead of

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focusing on you know billionaires paying

their fair share because i agree

billionaires do have too much leeway in

this country they get away with too much

but

you're not gonna solve this see here's

here's this is the big battle between

the real left and the fake left that's

gonna that's gonna happen the fake left

just wants you to think all we have to

do is tax more people

no you have to change the machine itself

you have to do something called a

structural reform and that's what china

does it does a structural china does not

fix its financial problems just by

taxing the rich it does a structural

reform where you change the nature of

financial revenues and how money is

generated and how it's distributed and

profited from in the first place it's a

structural reform that breaks up

monopolies and promotes smaller sectors

things like that okay

so structural reform is the key right

because look

the

the the government spending is at a

scale the economic u.s economy is at a

scale

that you will not be able to comprehend

by personalizing it it's so

you're talking about trillions and trill

it's not a personal thing okay you these

billionaires

they again they have monstrous amounts

of wealth i'm i will not deny or

underplay that but you should like we

have a look at our [ __ ] total deficit

look how much total government debt

there is right now we're talking about

like what 20 trillion right now it's

it's immense it's crazy right

um

yeah our economic growth is to pay the

finance sector yeah exact things like

that you're not gonna

it's not about more taxes because you

can have more taxes but

you're preserving the [ __ ] structure

right that's giving rise to the

inequality in the first place so you're

taxing more rich people but you're not

actually addressing the monopolies that

make them rich in the first place which

is exactly what needs to be [ __ ]

addressed

not just taxing the rich you know what i

mean

so that's why i like elon musk's tweet

sorry bernie this is

see bernie stands for the american

government bureaucracy

which is trying to prolong itself and

the professional managerial class

because the two are bounded up bernie's

a defender of the current

you know fake government socialism and

[ __ ] socialism for the rich and the

monopolies and the current bureaucracy

and rentier class of monopolist he's

defending them basically right he's

completely defending them the only thing

um that we're seeing is that

he wants just more

he wants them to pay more money

yeah but where does the money come from

right why is it being concentrated that

way in the first place that's what we

should focus on addressing

or focusing on more right this is this

is blackrock socialism i'm sorry you're

not even coming close to addressing the

root of the crisis or the root of the

matter

and it's as simple as that um

yeah so that's my take on the elon musk

thing and i i know elon musk's a [ __ ]

or whatever it's elon musk what do you

[ __ ] expect right

but meanwhile

we're going to see chinese react to the

evergrande debt crisis so asian boss

does street interviews with normal

people throughout east asia asking them

their opinions on various things

and that's what we're going to watch

let me see is there any more content

here oh what's going on i don't

understand how was their reaction that's

so crazy

they were pissed off and they left

really they just kind of well one of

them

the other one stayed trying to help me

back up okay any girls that does that

are actually they deserve to never get

back together

because that's like so insane to me

i had okay this is very awkward

let's watch

hey bosses it's marie from asian boss

can you imagine pouring all your hard

earned savings into real estate

investments just to see your money go up

in flames well this could happen to

millions of chinese citizens and

investors who entrusted their money to

ever grant china's second largest real

estate developer the company is now

sinking under a mountain of debt

totaling 300 billion dollars which makes

it the most indebted company in the

world this crisis has often been

compared to the collapse of u.s

investment bank lehman brothers in 2008

that triggered the global financial

crisis you may be familiar with the

western media coverage on this issue but

how do average chinese citizens feel

about the situation and the property

market in china in general can they even

afford to buy a house anymore asian boss

at the streets of shanghai to find out

to be fair i mean it's shanghai shanghai

is like

you know the it's like one of the most

probably one of the most expensive

cities if not the most expensive in all

of china so i don't expect shanghai's

housing situation to be perfect but

let's see i actually don't know

how

captain waffles donated five dollars

mainstream billionaires like elon gates

bezos etc are so poor they keep all

their wealth in their own name the truly

rich are royal banking dynasties like

the rockefeller family and the morgan

family google caleb mop and oil crisis

for more info thank you waffles and yeah

people don't understand this there's a

difference between the celebrity rich

and the actual rich because that those

are very different things i need you

guys to know that too

bad

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foreign

foreign

foreign

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um

um

dude you guys are getting baited by a

guy in chat who's literally trolling you

guys you guys are just like the

dumbasses on twitter who you guys are no

better than the dumbasses on twitter

who [ __ ] um

who respond to me trolling you guys are

the same dude everyone's the same

honestly

right

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the truth that you realize is that

people just walking around on the street

are boring and there's not a lot of

there's actually not a lot of content to

be found

that's the truth people are just boring

we were like oh me you're interviewing

me huh i guess it's cool

that's it bye what do koreans think of

vaccine vaccine mandates passport this

is tammy from asian boss

now that the world is slowly opening

back up with enough people getting

vaccinated there appears to be a lot of

controversies when it comes to the

vaccine passport system in south korea

where almost 80 percent of the

population has been fully vaccinated the

new living with kobe policy requires

that certain facilities stop people from

entering unless they can show proof of

vaccination so how do koreans feel about

the new policy and the vaccine passport

system in particular

let's hit the streets of seoul to find

out

okay seoul is a beautiful city i don't

the [ __ ] you're talking about it's a

soulful city

you catch my drift

it's soulful

[ __ ] like this

you know

hold on kevin logan is on the panel with

them

i gotta watch this

i gotta see this sorry i gotta i gotta

check this out

from billions of dollars in damage

dozens of people killed like david dorn

like the nameless person that was killed

in indianapolis that burton the pawn

shop in the first half all right we

don't have to bring up this [ __ ] is real

okay okay wait you it's it is the

violence is real let's watch it on

destiny's stream you're attributing all

of that to blm and i really just don't

think that we should at all one there's

these pro there's these what are you

you're shaking your head and finished

even though you didn't look into almost

any of these militias that i said that i

brought up where they go with the um uh

they're there with armed protests they

do an armed protest against blm which

agitates more which adds some more

violence so i you can say like atheism

so i you can say like at these 100 those

blm demonstrations did turn violent but

you can't just say that that was all

because of just blm okay wait can i can

i ask a question i have a really

important question so i agree with you

100

but how can you simultaneously say that

you cannot attribute all violence then

say that every person that shows up to

oppose that violence is opposing all of

blm you can't have that both ways i

don't think i said that did i say yeah

you you might not have particularly

because you seem pretty reasonable but

when the broader conversation is anybody

that shows up to oppose any amount of

blm violence is there to oppose oh it's

kevin logan

for blm people yeah that doesn't

represent all of blm that can't be both

ways right

yeah i mean since this is kevin's debate

ready kevin's gonna debate destiny he's

gonna be like

well you're a nazi and he's gonna cross

his arms and just sit back

thinking he made an argument something

happens and i don't think literally all

of them should be

called like white nationalist white

supremacists i i think i just said that

i can understand like an un like a

person just looking at what happened and

be like they probably they they may be

connected to that group i can see you

saying that that seems like just like

yeah

like people looking at

looking at the

baron are you sure

i'm gonna have a purge in my chat

because when i'm on low viewers and i am

on really [ __ ] low viewers today like

extremely low for the past two days

unic just exceptionally low [ __ ]

viewers the annoying [ __ ] come out of

the [ __ ] woodwork

are you sure mao is a communist

i don't want to [ __ ] hat live in your

[ __ ] mental prison and have your

mental rot where you [ __ ] purity that

i even said just shut the [ __ ] up do not

ever come back to this [ __ ] community

again you are [ __ ] banned i want

nothing to [ __ ] do with you and all

of the [ __ ] weirdos come in my

[ __ ] chat when i'm on low viewers

because they think it's their [ __ ]

time to shine no it's [ __ ] not i

would rather quit streaming forever and

never stream for the rest of my [ __ ]

life than deal with these [ __ ]

mental prison derangement [ __ ]

psychopaths on [ __ ] discord with

anime profile pictures get the [ __ ] out

of my chat i want nothing to do with you

you [ __ ] purity testing idiot

i you sure

mao are you sure you have the rights to

virtue signal about communism

i am going to purity test you

[ __ ] off

i still think that all in all protesting

after dark is just it sets you up for so

many bad things like that's when all the

bad stuff happens typically it's like

are you sure mao is a communist are you

sure mao

the founder of the biggest [ __ ]

communist party in the world is a

communist are you sure mao who is

universally acknowledged and recognized

and known as a communist is a communist

what the [ __ ] does communism mean if

he's not a [ __ ] communist shut the

[ __ ] up you dumbass nobody cares about

your [ __ ] discord purity testing

[ __ ] litmus test about who is and

isn't a [ __ ] communist

i'm trying to chug along this stream to

the very end

despite the abysmally low [ __ ]

viewers decimating my [ __ ] average

viewer account

but it's it's really hard when these

[ __ ] people are in my chat

basically telling me to end stream and

stream another day

to all of the blm stuff in the riding

and the a cab and all that [ __ ] so like

like it just doesn't bode well to to get

violent it just it hurts your movement

so much

okay um and then i want to ask shark i

saw shark you had a uh tweet about um

how you think that like both sides

should be armed what do you guys think

about like armed protests in general i'm

a canadian i think it's genji with the

five holy [ __ ] genji thank you so much

man appreciate you

genji with the five thank you so much

man

hey shark you had you had that take

about the listen if listen if those guys

can show up and protect property that's

in their community then i think blm

protesters can show up with guns and

protect their protest

absolutely

i was gonna

i was gonna i was gonna say i i'm with

him done this time i think it's sad that

america has such a issue with guns and

stuff i'd have to own a gun because

other people have [ __ ] guns so like

you have to defend yourself and you

can't realistically otherwise yeah a lot

of people talk about like the security

paradox there like obviously i mean

you're protesting and then look how look

how tame kevin logan is and then you

feel threatened when he's in the

presence of his support his

when he's on these [ __ ] panels

complete coward dude and then that's um

this is the guy who [ __ ] attacks me

every day on his [ __ ] stream harasses

the [ __ ] out of me

24 7 by the way many cities across the

country where blm protests have dried up

because of that so i mean no

what no

that's why would they because they fear

people constitutionally shooting them

yeah

okay listen i'm gonna be honest yeah i

wouldn't i wouldn't show up to a protest

the five hot counter protesters they're

gonna have a [ __ ] yeah like you show

up to a blm protest and then some like

random dudes yo we got this guy watch

muhammad hijab reese mohammed hijab

recent video on china and the oigas that

is a real man you are embarrassing

yourself delete your nothing of a

channel my man are you devoid of basic

logic and principles

are you so devoid of basic logic

that you cannot see muhammad hijab

is the greatest debater

delete your channel

one and then like [ __ ] can get chicken

pop no i i think the best solution would

probably be like the police who we

already gave the treasurer

here's auntie china

it's because he is working

for mi6 and the cia

and we've all known that for a long time

he has only ever

served the interests of the state

department rather we are talking about

in syria with the so-called arab spring

whether we are talking about in libya

whether we are talking about in china he

has peddled the same line in defense of

the state department's goals so there is

no reason to think muhammad hijab is not

cia or mi6

it's perfectly fine strategic sense for

you to want to get armed i can 100 see

that because if not

if someone starts spraying into your

crowd there's nothing that you can

really do about it

okay uh so just so yeah go ahead rob and

then i want to start wrapping up so

we'll go like maybe five more minutes i

don't want to keep you guys too long go

ahead okay uh

people if people have the constitutional

right to carry firearms then they should

be allowed to do it i don't care if

they're with the lm or with the people

now the irony of all of this is first

shark just makes the absolute most

salient point the reason that people

feel the need to show up armed and do

something is because the people that

control the narrative in this country

allowed or celebrated or ignored riots

occurring over and over and over and

over

no

he was gonna have a discussion with

jordan peterson and peterson cancelled

why the [ __ ] did peterson cancel

you've lost the plot get off twitch

no way jordan peterson cancelled hold on

i'm not hijab

jordan peterson he cancelled

what

jordan peterson

be watching this now since he

is

is muhammad hijab allowed on twitch

is he even allowed on twitch i don't

know is he banned

does anyone know

is he allowed

he would only because he exercised his

second amendment right that was the only

protection he had all this weren't gonna

help him

i don't think there was any agitation

from having the ground it should be the

opposite it should be did i ask them no

they're

this is amazing this is great because

there are lots of places that have

banned open carry during protests i

think that's amazing um the way that

people use those guns and what

why why because it's right because

people use those guns in the implicit

threat that uh of that of that weapon

there

does does 100 percent uh um uh pro um

provoke people and make situations worse

they just do it's not saying that you

can't carry a gun you can still conceal

carry if you want you just can't open

carry it just makes the situation worse

you keep saying why it makes the

situation worse

it'll come out in december 13th

it just it makes things worse i'm sorry

but why would he be banned i don't know

we can ban open carry which does make

things worse

so rob i want you to answer but i want i

want you to address shark's question and

ariana's question at the same time go

ahead ariana

questions number one do you think that

he would have been attacked the same way

if he wasn't armed at number two when we

allow open carry on either side to a

protest you kind of to a protest you

kind of you really start to threaten the

whole um this is a

this is a extremely chauvinist panel

these are all men and there's only one

woman

ever think about that but

ar-15s or whatever the [ __ ] rifle

they're they get kind of turned off by

the protests not gonna lie oh wait hang

on wait

i think

you have some good takes on some topics

brother but you are completely wrong

about china you think what they are

doing is right you can't be serious are

you so devoid of basic logic and mental

thinking

that you want to avoid a basic logic

have a gun

yeah her two points contradict each

other right her first point is well by

having the gun it escalated and the

second point is people are more reserved

if someone's open carrying and less

utterly devoid of logic the truth is if

you are open-carrying as truth is if you

are open-carrying as opposed to conceal

carrying that's the biggest signal don't

[ __ ] with me don't come at me don't

charge me don't try to hit me with a

skateboard bomb chug there's no evidence

that he attacked written house because

he had a gun it the evidence seems to

suggest he attacked rittenhouse because

rittenhouse was trying to attack

rittenhouse because rittenhouse was

trying to put out or at least suggesting

he was going to put out the fires that

rosenbaum was setting well

how is he going to put out he was going

to do exactly what's what's the point no

he was a paranoia

because i'm a man

you have literally been talking over

everybody i'm finished i'm finished all

right all right all right listen what

are you saying right now

you love to hear

yourself i do you're right you do it's

very clear

let me show you guys something really

quick i got to show you guys something

shins no please wait not even from dr

red pill he's only talked like three

times no no everything when did you find

out

hey

really quick really quick so when did

you find out about your dad

find out what that he's gay my dad's not

gay you sure

my dad is

not kidding

yeah

you smell like strawberries

it's my lip gloss

cool does it taste like it smells

you want to find out

sure

protect me and guide me

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um okay let's go around and do closing

statements i want to hear from dr

redpill and then you can also plug your

channel or whatever your 2k [ __ ] nba

2k you play i don't know whatever you

want to do go ahead i got nothing to

plug i just would i debate muhammad

hijab

are you so utterly devoid of logic

yes i would

juror is ridden house guilty or not

guilty

okay fair enough um and

did you have fun on the panel and

did you have fun on the panel

do you have any opinions that's it that

was great i think for the invite it was

super fun no worries all right let's go

to answer dr redfield's question you can

make your closing statement on this

topic and whatever else you want go

ahead

sure um i guess they answer the question

i didn't watch the trial i personally

don't give a [ __ ] okay

come on let me i'm gonna show you the

memes

all right this is what it is ready the

guy in my chat listen

are you sick in the mind are you that

mentally enslaved and intellectually

subservient and intellectually molested

and ideologically molested

are you that mentally enslaved and

intellectually subservient

ideologically molested robbie what's on

your radar

you sick in the mind are you that

mentally enslaved and intellectually

subservient and intellectually molested

and ideologically molested

we can just push our politics and um in

time i think we will get there um the

country's been moving left um as as we

go on all right so

um i think that's about as much as i

want to add my name is shark 300 that's

the word shock the number three the

letter real zero that's the word shock

the number three the letter o and the

word zero i do political memes

um uh commentary videos they do

pre-recorded videos as well sometimes

too you should check out our gamba night

we're playing mario kart

geez all right shark thank you so much i

really and that that will get 10 views

so much all right uh let's go over to uh

rob nor go over to uh rob noor go ahead

rob thank you for coming on uh sorry i

had to cut you off a few times i hope

you understand oh rob norris the based

guy that went on jackson's thing and

he's in our discord

he's in our right uh showdown discord

sorry i was gonna call it a royal

i said brett i bet 95 would pick me

anyways

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you know what genuinely it literally

makes my day that i trigger you so much

that every single time you speak you

have to bring me up like i'm literally

sitting here on my phone unbothered as

[ __ ] and you keep bringing my name up so

it's based as [ __ ] that you are so

triggered by me i live

these are all this is what all the girls

on the royale say to me

okay uh so yeah let's see if i can get

through this i'm triggered so much let's

see if i'll be able to get through this

closing statements uh he's not guilty i

did watch uh i watched a large portion

of this trout he is not guilty based on

the facts and it's appeared that that

would be the case unless something

radically changed since we first saw

this footage look i'll just say this

like you could say that the country's

moving left and in many ways that could

be true on some issues left on some

issues right but i say this in all

sincerity not joking around if the

mentality that people on this panel have

showed is allowed to be spoken to be

labeled as speaking for the left you're

gonna get crushed because this idea that

everyone's racist that disagrees and you

shouldn't be allowed to defend your

property and if you're doing the okay

sign that's racist people are done with

this [ __ ] and people are waking up to

see how the media misrepresented this

and they're going to start to realize

that the media is misrepresenting [ __ ]

all the time and they're doing so to

cause division in this country and

they're doing so because they have a

political agenda doing so because they

have a political agenda and they have a

monetary agenda to do so so i think that

if you better hope that a voice like

desks to the progressive voice that

wants to shout racism around every

corner and say that written house is a

murderer and was fake crying and [ __ ]

like that because it's going to cause

significant losses for you in the future

and i'm all for it as a right winger so

my name is rob north as a right winger

so my name is rob nor you can find me

predominantly on twitch tv it's a delay

all lowercase rob noor i'm on youtube at

normal america with rob miller i stream

almost every week night around 8 pm

eastern thanks for having me not a fan

of [ __ ] name calling anybody okay

you did it she did it everybody [ __ ]

did it who gives a [ __ ] all right let's

go over to uh progressive brat i guess

uh let's hear these these are just

concluding remarks i don't give a [ __ ]

about the concluding remarks

hell

i don't care about their concluding

remarks

why don't you conclude on some good

content

why don't you conclude your way into

some good content

ever thought of that

why the [ __ ] is bosnia in danger of

breaking up

step by step bosnia is unraveling on

account of a reckless political

experiment bosnian serb lawmakers plan

to quit state institutions and form

their own judicial taxation and military

authorities for the autonomous republic

of srpska officials in sarajevo say that

it's a move towards secession and that

bosnian serb officials are deliberately

trying to force the country to fail so

that they can make their legal case for

secession down the line

russia and serbia have expressed support

for the bosnian serbs while the

americans and the europeans have

remained indifferent who gets the

pyramids because there are pyramids in

bosnia thank you

google 1917 appreciate you who gets the

pyramids in bosnia to the situation

meanwhile as a last-ditch effort bosniak

organizations are now calling on turkey

to break its silence and speak out on

behalf of bosniaks

if nothing is done to hold back the

secessionist drive to hold back the

splitting of the bosnian military

another round of hostilities is possible

so why is this happening and how did we

arrive at this point because i i just

wanted news i didn't want to like

actually get into this i just wanted

some news

what is this

ever mind

but i saw something

come on give me a sec

familiar with the cult that was behind

the korean yes i am i am familiar with

that

i am actually familiar

is muhammad hijab allowed is he allowed

because i i do want to watch him

but is he allowed

that's the question

did circle watch him before did other

streamers watch him

he's not banned

he took off his shirt

oh it's coming the 15th it's coming

tomorrow

so he's allowed why would circle watch

him i don't know

you can watch him he's just nepal's just

uses christian arguments

because he's going to go off against

jordan peterson and i want to see that

it's not on twitch

okay

let me double check

with someone

he's just going to respond to jordan

peterson i just want to know let me look

it up i'm going to look it up on google

i'll look it up on google

oh he's streamed on

twitch he streamed on twitch before not

himself but with he's been on twitch

before

okay

well if he if he starts saying like

risky things we'll just exit out but

he's just gonna respond to jordan

peterson's allegations about the prophet

do i think stalin was killed possibly

how are you guys doing

this is insha allah the first of a

series of correction videos which we'll

be putting forward insha'allah about dr

jordan peterson's content especially in

relation to islam now for those who know

we were meant to be having me and dr

jordan peterson a discussion

and this discussion was meant to happen

actually three times and it was

cancelled unfortunately that many times

in a span of six months

now

for whatever reason in fact the third

reason was or the third time he gave me

the reason that uh it was because he had

other guests and other topics that he

wanted to kind of speak about but no

problem i know that dr jordan peterson

may be watching this now since he we've

had such communication for

with his team and with himself for for

over a long span of time so this is the

first and probably one of the most

important videos about some of the

wording that dr jordan peterson has

decided to use about the prophet

muhammed and in

his public output this is probably the

no you didn't debate ask yourself did

you debate ask yourself

did muhammad hijab debate ask yourself

[Laughter]

yes we're gonna watch that right after

we're gonna watch that right after hold

on no [ __ ] way

uh ask yourself

[Laughter]

is what is his name

no he didn't

there's a guy named uh

jack

which video are you talking about send

me the video and mods vet it so no one

in the video is banned

they'll finish the podcast or raise

mid-december

somebody dm it to me dm me the video

you're talking about on twitch

send it to me

okay regardless i hate

muhammad hijab's attacks on china

but him going after jordan peterson

i definitely can stand behind that

i can definitely stand behind that

the most developed speech he has on the

topic so let's see what he has to say

and come back and commentate on it if

you look at the figure of christ and i

don't care if you're religious or not

and i don't even care if christ existed

or not and i certainly don't you know

g-jack said something that's so

[ __ ] dude she's next hilarious you

know what jesus said and as a muslim i'm

confirming jesus jesus correct he was

like before his debate with peterson

like a day before someone was

interviewing him in the car and he was

like

yeah i wonder if jordan i wonder if

peterson's going to be like those muslim

debaters who just

quote like a trillion sources and you

can't say anything because

you can't check like that is what muslim

debaters do they come and they'll just

quote like a million things

and a bunch of like evidence like oh you

will win actually sorry like are you

aware that the scientists don't have it

that said i think you can't even sh you

don't even know what they're talking

about

so z jack was like jordan peterson's

just like them and i told them he can't

whoa

like he

don't bring a bunch of [ __ ] books and

evidence and [ __ ] you know

that's what he

that's what he said

and as a muslim that's facts i remember

when i became an atheist and i went up

debating a bunch of like muslim

apologists or whatever they were trying

to convince me otherwise they are just

like that dude 100

care at the moment about

claims to divinity or the lack thereof

here's what i unfortunately the issue

the issue is

i think in a debate with jordan peterson

and muhammad hijab

hey job's gonna ignore like everything

he's gonna ignore the jungian

like when jordan appears like the

lobsters and chaos

and the christ like he's gonna ignore

all that and he's gonna be like are you

so mentally molested you can see in

chapter first this first sort of the

quran is he's gonna be he's gonna

overwhelm jordan peterson and peterson's

gonna be like okay dude okay fine it's

like he's just gonna tire him out you

know

he's just gonna tire him out hundred

thousand percent he's just gonna tire

him out

just speaking as let's say i'm speaking

bro you're so right

they just want shahadas in case you guys

don't know what shahada means it's like

so to officially become a muslim all you

have to do is recite

that there is only one god and muhammad

is his messenger so you have to recite

the shahadah

these a lot of these muslim apologists

they're just they speed run it because

they just want you to recite the shahada

they're done they're going to heaven

they don't

they don't care about like philosophy or

like the nuance or any of that kind of

[ __ ] it's like one two done you know

[Laughter]

secular intellectual what do you mean

muslim fathers i don't know what else to

call them like uh

popular

preachers or something

they do make it very efficient

[Laughter]

i mean as a figure

he's a figure of peace i don't think

that that's

disputable

i mean he certainly he wasn't a warlord

that's that's one thing that's for

certain he never led armies

you know whereas that's not the case

with muhammad at all muhammad was

clearly and indisputably a warlord

and so it isn't obvious to me what to

make of that

except that it's bloody complicated well

i think the first thing we have to do is

define what a warlord is now this is a

definition from collins

if you describe a leader of a country

first thing he does is consult the

definition

or an organization as a warlord collins

tells us you are let me tell you bread

tube doesn't stand a chance no one stand

a chance the only people who can defeat

me and i'm not even kidding are like

muslim

if that if this guy debated me he would

destroy me he would make me look

stupid not even lying this guy would

make me look like a [ __ ] idiot if i

debated him he would actually make me

look like an idiot

because

because islam is the antithesis of the

anglo box

the two are like too united together

it's dialectics so i would this guy

would make me look like a [ __ ] idiot

if i debated him

are you that mentally molested and

ideologically

perverted

are you that mentally subverted

critical of them because they have

achieved power by behaving in an

aggressive and violent way

kimberly martin in

a

piece that she wrote called warlordism

in comparative perspective this is in

political science literature she

actually defines warlord in four

different ways

she says number one that they are they

trained army are armed men to take

advantage of the disintegration of a

central authority to seize control of a

relatively small slices of territory

number two she says that their actions

are based on self-interest not ideology

and number three their authority is

based on charisma and patronage uh ties

to their followers and number four

uh this personalistic rule leads to the

fragmentation of political thank you

mango economic arrangements across the

bro i've got to say you've gotten fat

who the [ __ ] just types that in chat

you guys just say anything

i'll just say anything country

so these are if we look at this now

we've got one dictionary definition

obviously you can look at other

dictionaries but we have one if you want

to call it that terminological

definition from the literature

biceps lacking really my biceps are

lacking wow so this is what lacking

looks like right shut the [ __ ] up bro

literature now jordan peterson is famous

for saying you have to be precise in

speech i want to say to jordan peterson

that unfortunately according to these

two definitions our level using this

term

thank you ray appreciate you lord is not

precise because in fact the prophet

would be disqualified from being a

warlord as per those definitions why so

because the prophet

muhammed how did he achieve power

now we have to look at obviously you

have the meccan period and the medinan

period this is the

kind of categorization the biographical

categorization of the prophet's life you

had two major or his premiership as a

prophet

his time was a prophet he had the meccan

period 13 years and then 10 years in the

medina period

when the prophet was migrating or when

he was being boycotted and persecuted

and this we know in the seerah in the

biography of the prophet

he did a video with with richard wolff

well how much hey job did a video with

richard wolff

someone we're gonna after this we're

gonna do the ask yourself one then we're

gonna do the richard wolf one someone

give me the ask yourself [ __ ] video

can you link it in the discord put it in

general i still haven't gotten a [ __ ]

dm for it

link it now

was he was being persecuted his friends

and followers were being persecuted in

in mecca for 13 years

there was then a transition period where

the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam

peace and blessings be upon him

try to religiously incentivize groups

and tribes outside of mecca in order to

move away and to move his followers away

from such boycott and persecution that

they were facing for a very long span of

time so he went to taif which is

a place outside of mecca and he was he

was he was rejected fiercely

i mean this is the thing about the

prophet muhammad you have to humanize

him because he was a man

who was an orphan

okay think about this for a second he

was a man who's an orphan he was a man

who buried all of his children except

for one

he was a man

who

in this video okay give me a sec

first ten minutes is there anyone taught

it can you do me a favor or someone do

me a favor can you check if anyone in

this video is banned from twitch

jack engine right twitch

he's not

i don't know

i have no idea

someone check it out for me please

odds someone

who his wife died khadijah

who his uncle died abu talib who was one

of the most

protective and actually the

central protective figure in his life

and this was in the mecca you can show

people that's been banned on twitch

and

people are just saying false things now

no you can't

period and he wasn't even a muslim by

the way and when that protection went

away he had to then seek it from other

places so he went to taif

and

was

a neighboring city

and they rejected him fiercely and if

you look at the the the reports of that

they threw stones at him they taunted

him he was bleeding

so much so that his sandals were filled

with blood

this is the person you're talking about

as being a warlord and then after that

when he was rejected from that

particular city he went to

another place which was then called

yathrib which would then be cool

you people misunderstand that where are

you getting this from

where are you getting this from

medina where two tribes or clans called

where are you getting that idea that you

can show people who've been banned from

touch with that that's not true

now these two tribes they from the terms

dm them to me on twitch and i'll i'll

read it accepted the message of islam

and then they decided to put the prophet

as the leader of the polity of yathrib

so he was made into the leader of the

polity of yathrib

not through aggression or violence but

through popular support and this

disqualifies him from being

according to the dictionary definition

that we've just seen and in fact

according to the terminological

definition that we've also just seen as

well so this is i've personally always

hated the argument

i think orthodox christians don't make

this argument i think the only people

who make this argument

are like protestants i think

i i don't know maybe catholics make it

too i've always hated the argument like

oh muhammad was

uh

worse because

he was he actually fought in battles and

[ __ ] and that makes him

impure and that makes him human and i

always felt like that's just um

hypocritical i thought that was

hypocrisy because christianity had real

world consequences

and

you know was

the christianity became the official

religion of the roman empire because

they [ __ ] painted it on shields i

decided what i mean

yeah i've always thought that was just a

shitty argument

i've always hated that argument a lot

in fact jordan peterson and this is very

important for you because it's one of

your rules in your book

this is imprecise speech

it is interesting like war was a part of

life

i just hate that it reminds me of like a

leftist hypocrisy in a way like

like oh yeah you just

you you shouldn't party you shouldn't be

in the world you should just shun

yourself from reality like i just found

it hypocritical you know precise

imprecise speech in accurate speech

and what is really

incumbent upon you i think from an

intellectual perspective

is for you to make a formal retraction

about this to say actually i used in

precise speech to be fair to be fair i'm

going to do sword cuts both ways

muslims also make stupid arguments

against christianity as well

especially the trinity one i think a lot

of muslims just don't get the trinity

they just do not understand like you i

agree i i do reject the trinity

personally i reject it but i also know

what it means and it doesn't mean

polytheism

um

like i reject it for the for reasons but

i'm not straw manning what the trinity

is you know what i mean a lot of muslims

strong man the trinity

as like this idea that there's three

gods or that how can three be one

because it's three

it's three different [ __ ]

forms of the same thing

because i used one aspect

of this man's life inaccurately to

typify his whole character

and by the way

warlords and i've looked at a lot of

your videos because remember we were

meant to be speaking to each other for a

span of six months and i've seen them it

definitely means polytheism and it's

definitely not in the bible

maybe you could say the the final

logical consequence of it is polytheism

but

it's it's more complex like the reason

i'm saying this is because i hagel i

understand from hegel

that

one takes the form of three right you

have the one the negation and then the

negation of the negation also this is

true for islam as well but

that's the thing for islam is that

all is reconciled in one the three is

reconciled in the third term the

negation of the negation that's why what

should be investigated if you want to

understand the bridge between

christianity and islam

is

what is the positive consequences of the

holy spirit

what's the positive consequence of the

holy spirit after the crucifixion

and you will understand the context that

gave rise to islam if you understand

that majority of your videos i've seen

the majority have read the majority of

what you've have you've written even

even peer-reviewed stuff by the way

trinity which means three parts one god

no it makes sense trust me

you have the original whatever

god the father the negation

christ the son on the cross and then the

negation of the negation which is

the holy spirit it's a really simple

dialectic the word warlord interestingly

you have not used it with it's a

misunderstanding the reason why there's

a trinity is because christianity wants

to reject what it perceives as a heresy

from judaism to this extent of my

knowledge um

any to my knowledge any other person

except for the prophet muhammad

so if it was about leading armies then

why not use that with harry truman who

detonated bombs uh on on japan hiroshima

either way

look at the end of the day islam is more

similar to judaism right that's the

truth

almost so that they were really not

really that different of religions

during the islamic times

like the middle ages or whatever right

they're just

they're it's not they're very very

similar like

extremely similar but the truth is

is that

islam

was also about jesus right

like

muhammad was

the prophet that was sent to make sense

of

what that whole jesus thing was about

that would that's the point of islam

it's it's about the aftermath of christ

right so it is a very christ-centric

religion

actually jesus is

he's not just a footnote and he's also

not just another prophet he's a very

important prophet

in the religion right

nagasaki

why not use it with winston churchill

who led campaigns in dresden and hamburg

in world war ii

okay and which which was targeting

civilians the prophet muhammad

unequivocally

denied the targeting of civilians

muhammad the final prophet greatest man

to ever live i mean as a muslim

i do believe that i do believe that i do

believe

he was probably the greatest man to ever

live

it's hard for me to

yeah

that that is really my view i'm not just

saying that i don't even know if i'm

just saying that as a muslim i don't

know that is my view though he was the

greatest man to ever live

like

yeah

so why only use it

with the prophet muhammad why have you

like the way i see it is that he

completed the message of christ

he completed the message of christ and

he realized what is the consequence of

christ's message

on earth

and he was a living example of a of a

person

realizing that message to me

never used it on your public output on

your books

with any other figure except for the

prophet muhammad

what kind of

exceptionalism is this

what kind of

fetishization is this

what kind of exoticism is this

what kind of western gaze is this

orientalizing are you that

intellectually molested and

ideologically molested

the narrative is this

you gotta think about this because if it

was about leading armies

then all of these other figures also led

armies

more so the biblical figures joshua

moses they led armies but

max when you mention their name you

don't automatically it doesn't spew off

your tongue the term warlord so why is

it the case

that you've made this yeah i'm going to

be honest i've been making fun of this

guy but he made a very very very

convincing response to jordan peterson

and i'm saying that

as a guy who came into this ready to

make fun of him he made a very very good

argument i'm not even lying

exception for the prophet muhammad

you are a clinical psychologist

you're a clinical psychologist jordan

peter

dude this guy makes quick work of jordan

peterson there's no there's absolutely

no [ __ ] way jordan peterson could

stand a chance debating this guy

listen and you also profess

self-professed ignorance on the religion

of islam the fact that you've used the

term warlord

to defend that's why he's doing an

offline podcast you're right and the

prophet muhammad as an adjective as a

primary adjective when it comes to the

prophet

is almost equivalent to you with a

limited data set of information as a

clinical psychologist labeling a client

or a patient of yours

that is the equivalent now what would

happen if you did that in practice you

would be shunned you would be not except

how can you how can you label someone

after or only

gathering very limited information about

them so is this a cognitive bias that

exists within you

and you have to ask yourself this

question because it's some kind of a

projection or a scapegoating of the

prophet muhammad and islam

or is it because you're trying to

energize your base

which is an alt-right base or is it

because you're trying to perpetuate a

clash of

you know why don't you just say he was

ignorant because that's what i think i

think jordan peterson didn't really

i just think he didn't give it much

thought you know

i don't really think he's got an agenda

against islam i just think he doesn't

he just he's not really that

knowledgeable of a guy to be

you know i mean

like right too

i feel like this is the type of dude

where like if you slip up and make one

mistake he's gonna read into it like are

you trying to perpetuate a class of

civilizations are you are you that

mentally enslaved i'm sorry sorry

civilization's narrative or is it

because of genuine ignorance and either

or that's that it's genuine ignorance

trust me any of these situations what is

once again incumbent upon you jordan

peters and i say this

through or out of genuinely okay all

profits are equal i agree

honestly and authenticity

i think what is incumbent upon you and i

know you're watching this i know you're

listening to this

is that you make an official retraction

of this statement

otherwise you're going to have so many

variables which we've just mentioned

that you will not be able to explain

that you've used this term with the

prophet and you've not used it with any

other political leader

this is

unjustifiable to say the least you've

not used it even with biblical prophets

which led armies so once again it's

unjustifiable

now let's move on to the second part of

this which is your comparison your false

comparison with all due respect

your false comparison of the prophet

muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam and

jesus christ

now the first thing is you said that

jesus was a figure of peace now we agree

with that we love jesus christ as

muslims

because we must believe that jesus

christ was a prophet a messenger

you realize jordan peterson's an atheist

he doesn't even believe in christianity

he uses it as a metaphor he's a jungian

atheist he's a new atheist

who like is entertaining the spooky idea

that what if there's more truth to

christianity than we first let on but

he's still an atheist dude he doesn't

actually believe in any of that [ __ ]

and the messiah we must believe in all

of that

however

the question of him being a figure of

peace really depends upon your

interpretation

and if one was going to have a segmented

decontextualized and uncharitable

reading of jesus christ

like jordan peterson's like one of those

new atheist reddit guys was like

he was like well wait

wait a second

what if it turns out

stunningly that the science doesn't add

up but it seems there's there's more

truth to christianity i first imagined

and what are the implications

oh nietzsche

nietzsche talked about this

and i am walking a dark path

and reddit

is not by my side but i go to the end of

the tunnel

and

reddit is waiting there for me

the thing about christ

that

it's it's a pair it's it's it's an

analogy for

the evolutionary psychological

strategy

to

when he was being crucified he was just

extending his arms because it's a show

of dominance to attract females

and

oh it all makes sense you know what i

mean like

in the christian tradition okay then one

could come to the conclusion that he was

not a figure of peace i'll tell you how

point number one

jesus christ as christologically or

understood

christologically in this in the sense

that protestants and catholics

understand him to be

is inseparable from the rest of the

trinity

as such all of those massacres that you

see in the old testament

of the canaanites and the amalekites and

so on

are or would be commanded by jesus

christ according to this christological

understanding now let me give you one

example a very famous verse i'll read it

word for word so once again i'm not miss

quoting anything

now first time it was fifteen three okay

very famous uh commandment in the

popular posting book bugs in the discord

ban bam bam

bam bam bam

nope not happening we're not doing that

we're not going down that path mods

clean that up

testament

now go attack the amalekites

and totally destroy all that belongs to

them do not spare them put to death men

and women children and infants

cattle and sheep camels and donkeys

i would love for anybody to be able to

find a single hadith or a single verse

of the quran which states

these categories of people to be killed

in fact the opposite is there

the opposite is in the hadith you are

not allowed to kill children you are not

allowed to kill non-combatant

disbelievers as the prophet muhammad

said men

whoever kills a non-combatant not this

believer he will not smell the fragrance

of heaven

this is so these categories of people

it's there in the old testament and

according to the christological

understanding jesus is not to be

separated from the rest of the trinity

so that's the first thing you must say

that's the old testament this is one of

many verses i can even pull out you know

you can go and google and see how many

verses there are like this

of genocide and massacring

that's the first thing the second thing

is well look at jesus himself once again

we're being uncharitable here if one is

being uncharitable and decontextual one

may pull out something from john chapter

2 verse 15

where it states so he made a whip out of

courts and drove them from the temple

courts

both sheep and cattle he scattered the

coins

of of the money uh changes and

overturned their tables this is violent

behavior someone can say a skeptic can

and say this look at him he's whipping

people in the temple or he's turning the

table jesus is being very violent

according to the new testament

and this is in his own life

so once again is this a figure of peace

once again if we had an uncharitable

decontextualized segmented understanding

one can say this is not a figure of

peace actually because this is qualifies

him of being a figure what doesn't

what what are the limits to this term

figure of peace do you have to be a

pacifist

well does one have to be a pacifist to

be a figure of peace what if someone

engages as war does that disqualify them

for making a figure of peace that's

another thing third thing is book of

revelation now

in the eschaton

eschatologically when jesus christ comes

back

he will

he will let's see what he does yeah

coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword

with which to strike down the nations he

will rule them with an i inceptor

he treads

the white why end my bug posting because

it's gross empress of the fury of the

wrath of god almighty

so he's going to come back and be

violent now

these these are things you may say well

i don't these are just interpretations

of the bible i i know that you have a

spiritual kind of metaphorizing approach

to the biblical text i'm very aware of

that and you may say that that's not the

way the historical jesus which

uh i look at or that how i interpret

jesus christ but then i have to say to

you john prism

with all due respect your interpretation

of jesus christ

is irrelevant in the grand scheme of the

christological understanding

in for 2000 years of history church

fathers up until present day people

scholars of christianity interpret these

things as literal okay

scholars of christianity almost

as a consensus a matter of consensus

agree that jesus is inseparable from the

trinity so he would be implicated in

uh telling people to to to genocide

people in the village

people uh christians from the church

fathers until this present day

believe that jesus is going to have a

second coming and it will be a

physically violent second coming and if

you want resources or references of this

they're very easy that's actually true

that they do believe that it's a come by

so once again this

fake dualism with all due respect

due respect this didactic representation

this um

dude all you have to do is look at the

history of dude christianity was very

violent

historically just like islam was right

all religions were

but you don't even need to find this

books dichotomy that you've created

figure of peace versus warlord

it's like a deck of cards if you just

pull one card out falls over

it's a false comparison

and it relies upon

swallowed a piece of hair

uncharitable cherry-picked examples of

the text and this requires a retraction

as well in order for with all due

respect one's

intellectual integrity to be maintained

i think at least you should say i

suspend judgment until i've done more

investigation this is the second point

the third point i must say is and this

is the last point i will be making

why compare

what muslims consider as a prophet with

what christians consider as a god

let me say that one more time muslims

believe that prophet muhammad sallallahu

alaihi wasallam is the final prophet

they believe that he is the final

prophet of a long list of prophets

abraham moses jesus yes as well jesus

yes the messiah and the prophet muhammad

we believe that he is um

he was sent for all of humanity as the

quran states we have not sent you except

for all of humanity

but christians believe on the other hand

and this by christians i'm in here the

vast majority of them across time and in

today's demography

believe that jesus is god

so why are you comparing a prophet

to a god

these are it's not like for like

comparison unless what and it's ironic

one has to come into what would at least

be more commensurate with an islamic

understanding of who jesus was which is

a man not a god

in order for you to make that comparison

see subconsciously you're thinking i'm

doing a man-to-man comparison or

unconsciously let's use exactly

the psychoanalytic freudian terms

subconscious damn quickly is a

vernacular time right

um speaking to a psychologist so i have

to keep everything tight but what i'm

saying is maybe unconsciously you've

understood that this is a man and this

is a man and we can make a comparison

like for like but according to the

christological understanding

he is a man prophet muhammad sorry yes

prophet muhammad and jesus is a god

what you should be doing if you're being

i thought muhammad was supposed to be

the perfect example of mankind we still

a man

theologically consistent is comparing

allah to jesus

allah and the quran is the god of the

creator of the heavens and the earth

which we don't believe can be divided

into father son and holy spirit this is

our major quarrel with christians

theological quarrel this is a bone of

contention

we believe that allah is the creator of

all things

that it's not conceivable or

intelligible or pardonable that anybody

with a day of birth can be called god

and that jesus is therefore disqualified

from being god and by the way i think

many christians listening to me right

now resonate with what i'm saying and

you know it and you even resonate with

it they resonate with the fact that

calling a man god god man

this is something which is

unintelligible in the mind of human

beings

and this is the real bone of contention

so why make this false comparison

between christ

who is according to the christian

tradition of god and muhammad who is

according to the islamic tradition a man

in the first place may it be because you

have already accepted the islamic

premise that both of them are men

and if so you're a step closer to islam

and therefore i'm going to end with this

really i invite you to really think

about

islam as a true system as a true system

as a paradigm replacement

to the christian

system because that might be what you're

looking for

it in fact might be what you need jordan

pearson but at the very least

at the very least jordan peterson's

going to become muslim

jordan peterson do me one favor

do the right thing and make a retraction

on this point

that

the point of warlord this comparison

say that

this is a hasty generalization it was in

your words and you said this in your

book by the way

your newest book 12 rules

it's a low resolution blanket statement

a hyper simplification

you view this is your these are your

words not mine a hyper simplification

think about it

or

cue the music

i want to see ask yourself

you see

so this is hijab imran okay these are

all people who are

askers

[Laughter]

no

not this

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can we get destiny versus muhammad hijab

too

second he's just a bit of a boomer he's

older but he's really good with

philosophy um

dude this guy's so as yourself is

literally surrounded he's literally

surrounded right now

i can get him in whenever there's room

in the studio

is that is that okay if i bring him in

the thing is i don't think there's any

room in the studio right now so oh

there's there's not a way to uh

strike yes jack angstrak that's him

all right one second

okay perfect great

yeah so how are you guys doing fantastic

um i talked to you once before muhammad

i'm not sure if you remember that it was

about whether agnosticism entails a

contradiction that was on um

sc dalla

i can't anyone have the link for that

remember i'm really sorry it's okay i

mean you probably talked to like a ton

of people uh so my name is isaac

uh yeah

yeah so what i was curious about is um

if there is in fact um and jack do you

have your mic working over there it says

you're muted so you might need to unmute

yourself i was wondering uh if there is

in fact some reason to think that a

contradiction is entailed by agnosticism

agnosticism being just the position

that uh one an agnosticism being that

one lacks a belief

that p is true and lacks the belief that

it's false where peace oh here we go

with the pp

look when you bring in the pp you

already lose i you lose me you already

lost

is like i said

logical propositional logic cannot be

asserted as a

a premise of arguments if you're talking

about god you're not talking about a p

you're not talking about a p a p is a

[ __ ]

variable for propositional logic you can

you cannot proceed with the assumption

that

something like god can fulfill that

variable right off the bat

it's the proposition god exists

can i answer questions

so if you know what your position um

isaac yeah

that then wouldn't have any bearing on

my belief would it

because you don't know

um i don't see i don't see the relevance

i guess um

yeah what i mean is so for example as i

said earlier

the purpose of what i'm doing we're

doing here is to establish that the

belief in a creator or an uncourse cause

or a necessary being is not an illogical

position to take

and it's a reasonable position to take

yeah

so if you're in an agnostic position

where you don't know this way and don't

know that way you personally you're not

in a position to tell somebody who

believes in a necessary being that

they're wrong are you well wait but i'm

not making a claim that someone's wrong

my question is yes i'm trying to do

that's all yeah so you're not in

position to do that that's fine yeah so

my well well wait whether i'm in a

position to do it is a separate question

but it's not what i'm damn

so what i'm curious about is last time

when i talked to muhammad he took the

view that agnosticism is a contradiction

but

i can't remember taking that exact view

to be honest i can remember that on the

sc

obviously i can't remember speaking to

you personally but i can remember that

the topic

uh

that was on the floor to be discussed uh

in acedo was

whether atheism was rational that was a

topic

and what i was saying was that

rationality is defined in a specific way

where

uh you know the justifications are

required explanations are required yes

as soon as this guy brought up pp they

were all like okay i don't want to talk

about that

this guy's he's bringing math into it

call it off we're just gonna chill we're

chilling all right walking back

we don't want to deal with that bad [ __ ]

man

and what i remember to sign up for that

saying was that atheism

uh doesn't offer any explanatory or

refutational it doesn't have any

explanatory refutational power therefore

to put atheism and rational together

uh is an unjustifiable stance i think

that's where i stand on the matter i

don't know about it boom contradiction

or um

being a contradiction right when i when

i think i can't i can't remember it is

well i i did just watch over um the

video and you can look it up um i have

it titled this

my brother my favorite yeah sure

have you come on the stream to respond

to something that mohammed said on a

different street on a different topic

well on the topic of atheism

no no no have you come to respond to

what we said today

well

what what's the distinction i guess

because what i'm what i'm curious about

like you can tell me if this is

pertinent right what i'm curious about

is the last time that i spoke to

muhammad he took the view and it's

recorded there's a video it's uh duking

it out with four muslims you can just

search that on youtube and you'll find

it is a respectful conversation um he

took the view that agnosticism entails a

contradiction now if he's no longer

taking that view if he's basically

i come up with a discussion uh and

that's why it's important to as hamza

keeps probing

it's important to stick on topic because

okay well would it be fair to just ask

the question then i do you still saying

that it depends on what you're agnostic

about and i'm agnostic about the

proposition holy [ __ ] i just realized

something

i this just came into my head

please someone correct me if i'm wrong

i just realized something

there's no religion in twin peaks

no one's religious you never see anyone

praying you never even see anyone talk

about god you never see a real am i

wrong can some is there an example

holy [ __ ] i just realized that

it's like everyone in twin peaks is an

atheist

i just realized that the [ __ ]

that god exists

i don't think that's inconsistent to be

agnostic about uh the proposition that

god exists but why do you think hey guys

it won't yeah i don't think it's

inconsistent so just yeah just just to

be clear so you do concede that last

time when you tried to offer an

entrepreneur

i can screen share it if you want i mean

let's just let's just say hypothetically

yeah i don't

i was gonna say let's just say

hypothetically and people can confirm it

by just looking up the conversation

duking it out with four muslims let's

say hypothetically that what you're

doing in that conversation was taking

the position that agnosticism entails a

contradiction if that is what you're

doing do you now state very clearly

can i finish my question

oh so

yeah

entails a contradiction is different

from is contradictory right so which one

is it that we're saying we can go with

entails that's broader that if it itself

is a contradiction or if a contradiction

follows that's fine no

well what i do think is that if you are

an atheist okay if you don't have

a necessary being

pinning

foundationally right

what you uh

believe in then you will not be able to

explain your rational faculty but not be

able to change of topic yeah though i'm

asking a specific question right so what

i'm saying

what i'm what i'm asking is

given

yeah yeah so do you mind if i just

respond if i could get the question out

so that you could respond specifically

to the question

can i just say this again

can i answer them because if you want to

respond that's fine but i should

probably ask just a second i'm just

meeting you a second please don't make

yourself right i'm going to repeat

myself because i think you misunderstood

what i said earlier

this stream

is demonstrating why we believe

uh albert was a buddhist and the oh the

native guy yeah but those were like

traditional religions and that was

buddhism i'm talking about christianity

there is no

what's this

revelation because it shows so many

ordinary americans but ordinary

americans especially up there they're

religious they they got crosses and they

go to church and i didn't see one church

was there even one church in that

[ __ ] show

um

we have evidence to support the

existence of a necessary being all right

atheists are invited to come on to

challenge our reasons for that

you're an agnostic

you don't have a dog in the fight mate

is it okay to unmute or do you want to

still say more

you don't have a dog in the fight mate

oh okay well i mean look i'm i'm happy

to have a conversation also about the

topic of whether there's a good argument

to think god exists but yeah yeah no no

that's the only conversation we want to

have oh okay well i i just okay well i

mean i'll try asking one more time if

you won't answer that's fine but the

only thing for that conversation isaac

isaac sorry you just you just i don't

know why just ignoring me

so a quick point on the actual question

you asked

um is about agnosticism and whether

there's a contradictory

uh postulation there and saying

i gotta okay i gotta be fair i don't

wanna ask yourself to win but them

kicking him was a soy move that was a

soy move that makes me wonder are they

scared to hear what

are they scared to debate him because

um and i think there is one i think

there is a conclusion there and i'll

tell you what the contradiction is

the contradiction is when you say i when

you say i don't know

right

you're making you're making a knowledge

claim

jack a mute yourself mate

am i audible

yes we can hear you welcome jack sport

goodies

thank you

dude this this is a show of weakness i'm

actually disappointed why the [ __ ] won't

they just

continue with it

that's a show i'm sorry that's a show of

weakness

that's a show of weakness

i debated this guy for like three hours

you know

well i thought

you guys wanted to talk about atheism

i guess sorry

i thought you guys wanted to talk about

atheism or something

no we're inviting atheists to come on to

challenge our position

it's pretty easy religion's more private

there i don't buy it dude americans are

so religious

i think i think there's something

interesting about that

i'm an atheist

no i understand that so

have you been watching the stream

a little bit of it

all right did you hear our position with

regards evidence for a necessary being

yeah i didn't understand that

so basically the argument from

contingency the idea that um you cannot

have an infinite uh number of dependent

uh things that has to be an independent

source

should it agree with that or disagree

yeah so i

i take it that

arguments from contingency presuppose a

principle of sufficient reason

this guy's like

what

you what

yep is that right

you guys presuppose the principle of

sufficient reason

in what sense can you clarify that

like what the [ __ ] is this guy talking

about

principle sufficient reason is

uh

it's the idea that i had a principle

like in what sense is it applicable in

this

in this context

i thought that's how you run an argument

from contingency

in what one of them why is the argument

how is it uh presupposing that

in what and well i might agree with you

but i just need you to uh

elaborate a little bit more on what and

what aspect of the argument is this dude

in the car

requires the presupposition

well the idea is that

contingent facts

if they're

not explained by

a further contingent fact

require a necessary fact for their

explanation

because

um there can't be brute contingent facts

given the principle of sufficient reason

okay but what's contingent facts got to

do with the arguments of con because

because here the the the cat's degree

that i'm talking about is not

uh fact is

it's not a factual category it's it's a

category of existence

so the track if you want to call i

thought i thought the idea of

i thought the idea of a contingency

argument was to reason

from

contingent facts

which is the principle of sufficient

reason

require an explanation

to

a necessary fact

yeah yeah yeah yeah

he's like

he's like what

so you guys

to be fair this guy is just not

clarifying what he means like

this these people are people who reach

out to like

you know average viewers and

he's just using big words

to them i understand what he's saying

but

you have to be educated in the in the

sphere of philosophy or whatever to

understand it

okay so what what's

the principle of sufficient reason right

what is required in order for there to

be a sufficient

explanation is that what you're trying

to get

i'm just making sure that you guys hold

to a principle as fish and reason

wait but yeah didn't kant already

destroy this this is a pre-kantian

impossibility can't prove this was

impossible

right you can't arrive at a

isn't that the term they used

or does he reject it i don't know

does he actually reject it

does he actually reject it

watch the david wood debate

oh i don't know if kant rejected it

yeah i don't think you rejected it

actually

do you see this tweet

what the [ __ ]

you know what has i tweeted that right

before i went to sleep in an extremely

drowsy state i now realize that i

misread the exchange and i did in fact

get it wrong

the right honest thing to do is delete

and apologize sorry for that

you know what

props for honesty

props for honesty

props for honesty honestly

dude his and no you know why i'm saying

that

you know i'm saying respect props for

honesty

because

that tweet got like a thousand likes it

went viral his tweet got like a thousand

likes and went viral

so

i'm going to give him props dude that

you know it takes a lot to admit you

were wrong when your tweet goes viral

1000 likes

what i mean so i'll give him props

i'll go ahead and give him props you

know

there's still one up with 3.7 k likes up

yeah but this just goes to show that

this person has no incentive other than

just trying to be honest

here you go

link to not only the principle of

sufficient and necessary reasoning but

to

all of the logical principles

so if you hold to the principle of

vision reason

you understand that that commits you

to necessitarianism

right

you understand that holding to the

principle of sufficient reason

commits you to necessitarianism right

in what sense

do you know what necessitarian is

this guy's just bringing in more buzz

words just clarify what you mean

no go ahead please tell me it's the view

that there's only one possible world

why would that be a necessary

corollary

well

the idea

the idea is that if there's a necessary

fact

let's say god

which explains some con

explain some contingent fact

like the universe

right

the idea is that

some feature of god's nature

right must explain

the contingent fact in this case the

universe right presumably something like

that once again there's a bit of

cross-purpose talking here because

um the category that i'm talking about

is not fact

is existence

do you see the point i'm making

if if you wanted to the existence of the

universe right

bottom

the existence of the universe right no

just so

if we wanted to talk about

this in terms of categories right

because what i don't want to happen is

that there's a category mistake along

the way so i'm talking about in the

category of existence so they want to

call it a transcendental universal

category okay the the transcendental

universal category that i'm outlining

here is the category of existence

and so what i'm talking about with when

i talk about necessary existence is

i'm talking about

for every existence that exists not fact

here i'm not talking about the category

of facts

for every existence that exists

it can either be compartmentalized into

one of three categories either

impossible

it's like a set with no members it's uh

there's no such thing as a squared

circle in reality

or contingent or necessary so what i'm

basically saying is that there can't be

an infinite regress of dependent

or contingent things

because that would lead to an absurdity

therefore there is a requirement for a

necessary existence this is the language

that i'm using

yeah yeah

right so my point was that

a contingent

yes right that's explained by

my point is that a contingent fact

that's explained by a necessary

being such as god right must be

explained

by some feature

of

god

right

i think once again you're not in the

same language

i'm very careful with i haven't used the

word god and i haven't used the word

being i personally haven't used those

words and i haven't used the word fact

so my articulation

i just said

and and i'm i would like you to pay

attention how am i not sleeping over

this because i'm actually engaged

and be fastidious to the wording here

i'm saying that

in the category of existence

okay there are three types of existence

impossible existences

which is like a set with no members

it's like a squared circle doesn't exist

then you have contingent things which

rely on

other things in order to exist

and then you have necessary things which

don't rely on anything in order to exist

what i'm saying is that there cannot be

an infinite regress of

contingent existences

yes that leads to an absurdity and the

only way to

to stop that absurdity from

transpiring there is to introduce the

concept of necessary existence

what's the absurdity there

what's the absurdity there the absurdity

is if we say

that something which is dependent is

defined

as something which relies upon something

else in order to exist

and then you say that there's only

contingent things that exist

contingent existences are in existence

that means you have

things which depend upon other things

which depend upon other things which

require things isn't it the kantian

argument isn't this isn't he's just the

kantian

to depend upon ad infinitum isn't hijab

just a county in here

and

that would require that is uh impossible

because what is all of this

uh what is all of this supported by

what what are your options i'm not

really seeing the contradiction there

okay so explain to me how uh contingent

existences or contingent things

uh can which which is by definition

something which relies upon something

else

can depend upon something else which

relies upon something else which depends

upon something else which relies upon

something else add infinitive

i'm just you should debate me on the

stream no debate on my stream we're

already

here why don't you debate me right now

what do you guys want to debate about

and we'll report i'm gonna probably rage

zirco when i'm done

so

i don't want to debate on your stream

why

just not seeing the contradiction

you might not be able to see it but you

have to explain it if you think it's

possible

well if you're saying there's a

contradiction there you should be able

to state the two propositions i said

it's an upsetting

once again it's important

two days ago and bans everybody that's

why you should debate me in my stream

what do you mean did you mean

by absurdity did you mean that it's

contradictory

no so it's good that you asked me that

question what i meant is it's

inconceivable

what difference does that make

no a contradiction has very specific

denotation

so what difference does it make that

it's inconceivable

wasn't schlegel an [ __ ]

it's a pretty sure schlegel was an

[ __ ] different wording or you can

check the two different words but can

you explain i'm just not understanding

what the problem the contradiction is

contradiction is defined in a different

understanding

i'm not you know what what is uh a

contradiction something which

under all circumstances

and all interpretations

cannot be coherent okay

i'm saying that it's inconceivable which

is slightly different you cannot

think of it as uh being consistent

it's inc we should just watch the

richard wolf one because this is just

not entertaining anymore

we're gonna watch the richard wolf one

he's he's gonna talk to richard wolff

capitalism marxism and islamic economics

this will be good

this will be good

[Music]

welcome to the 11th episode of the mh

podcast i'm joined with an esteemed

guest he is dr richard or professor

richard wolff who's a professor of

economics emeritus at the university of

massachusetts that's crazy i'm a muslim

but like

this is my guy here right

like i'm with this guy

i don't identify with this guy i

identify with this guy

and a visiting professor in a graduate

program in international affairs of the

new school university i relate more to

this guy in this situation

new york city he is the founder of

democracy democracy at work and the host

of the national nationally syndicated

show economics

economic update his latest book is the

sickness is the system when capitalism

fails to save us from pandemics

um or itself

and is available along with other books

uh on the link which we'll be providing

on the bottom of the um of the def of

the

bio uh sorry in the comments section

below

hi doing professor

thank you uh for inviting me and i'm

fine

tell us professor how you got into um

you know this uh

economics in the first place what made

you interested in this field

well it's a it is actually an

interesting story i went to college

um here in the united states where i was

born

uh intending to be

a natural scientist i don't know

physicist chemist that's what my parents

wanted me to be

and in my first year i took a course in

economics because i was always

interested

uh in how the economy worked

i can't do this

excuse me um

and i went to this economics course and

hoping to learn about how economies work

and so forth and the sad result was i

was treated to a group of

economics equations it didn't make much

sense to me or to the other students

everything was discussed in terms of

what explains prices i didn't take a

course in economics to understand why

prices are what they are i wanted to

understand the big questions

uh why are some countries you guys like

i do not care explain to me how this is

about islam

is rich and others poor why is there

wealth it's very interesting because see

in islam

on one side of the town and poverty on

the other uh living in new york city

area i knew that story really well from

personal experience etc etc

but economics had nothing to say to me

so i majored in history and i finished

my program studying history and the more

i studied history the more i recognized

that it was the economy that shaped so

much of what happened in history that i

kind of had to bite my tongue and go

back

and learn the economics so i went to

graduate school in economics

and it was always a contest what i was

taught was not what i wanted to learn

what i was taught was mostly why the

system were living in capitalism

although it was taboo to call it that at

the time

uh

the our professors were professors of

the cold war

he already wants him to shut up or here

can you

when when do i get to talk the united

states where anything that sounded

looked or had any vague resemblance to

anything socialist marxist or anything

like that was so taboo

that even words like capitalism were not

supposed to be used um

and so i was always in a kind of

struggle with my professors

um and what that did is shaped me it

shaped me because i had to learn

to be able to argue with them to be able

to defend

my critical perspective on what i was

learning

and i found a few other students like

myself

and we began what i did throughout my

career

studying on my own with a

student or two or three with me

who had similar interests and then in a

sense i had two parallel tracks the

official

appropriate economics mainstream

economics microeconomics macro

all of that i had to learn

but on my own

i learned to my great delight that there

was a vast literature which i could

access in the library of people who were

critical of capitalism so that i could

get in my classes

all of the arguments for capitalism and

then as i went to the library with my

friends we could also read and think

about what about islam

about a critical perspective are you

that mentally enslaved and ideologically

deluded

which was totally absent and let me

stress that which may interest your your

audience

i went to the what are usually

considered the foremost universities in

the united states hold on

this is the person i was beefing with

all last night what did they say

l look at this l

look at this [ __ ] l

look at this l they just took ha ha

ha ha

ha ha you look stupid haha you look

stupid

you look stupid

haha you look stupid

l

l

l you look stupid

[ __ ]

i was an undergraduate at a place called

harvard i then went to graduate school

for a while at stanford in california

and i finished and got my phd in

economics at yale university so i i

haven't even read michael hudson yet i

just sent an email to jijek today

i gotta read michael hudson before i

invite him on i'm gonna read the guy i'm

actually gonna read his book i need to

find time to read his book super

important i'm gonna read it trust me

unlike a poster boy for elite education

here in the united states i spent 10

years of my life

uh in the undergraduate and graduate

learning program ten contiguous years

that's 20 semesters two semesters per

year

during that time

in 19 out of the 20 semesters i was not

assigned to read one word

critical of capitalism 19 of those

semesters were studies in celebrating

how efficient capitalism was how

beautifully organized how equitable i

kid you not even though we lived in a

society

shut up dude society we're a difference

of income and wealth and power rogers we

were constantly told no no this is the

best system the human mind has been able

to develop

in one semester one professor in

stanford california did give us a little

bit of a critical perspective and i was

grateful to him for doing that but it

gives you an idea of how lopsided it was

and i hated to add my teachers were good

teachers it wasn't that they were

terrified it was a disaster for them

personally their careers would be badly

affected if they were knowledgeable

about if they talked about even if they

weren't supportive of a critical

perspective the very decision to put

such things on a reading list would make

others suspicious question them it was

really a time even in the best

universities of a intellectual

conformity that is now hampering here in

the united states any reasonable ability

to deal with the crisis that we face

because nobody was trained to think

about to analyze when capitalism breaks

down which it is now doing so tell us

about this diagnostic this critical

perspective

what exactly of the system here um needs

to be outlined as fa failure or what

exactly did you see was going wrong with

capitalism such that you developed this

critical perspective in the first place

good no hijab you gotta get more words

in than that what the [ __ ]

let me go backwards in time uh let me

mention the two big failures that are

now rapidly and i mean that and more so

that at any point in my life and you can

see from my hair that i'm not a young

man i've been here a long time i'm born

in the united states i've lived all my

life in the united states i can assure

you that the criticism the critical

attitude towards capitalism is greater

right now as i'm speaking to you in the

united states then at any point in the

history of this country as so far as i

have lived here

it's extraordinary and the two things

that are right now fueling this

criticism

are the failure the failure to

anticipate or to prepare for or to

manage the economic crash of capitalism

which begins in uh february of this year

uh extraordinary producing tens of

millions of unemployed people at this

moment uh over 60 million that's a third

of our labor force has had to apply for

unemployment compensation at some point

over the last eight or nine months with

millions of them unemployed for the

whole period of time uh that is

spectacular as a crisis it makes this

system

as

as poorly functioning as the last time

something like this happened which was

the great depression of the 1930s the

second thing right now shaping

anti-capitalism is the failure of the

united states is kind of capitalism to

prepare for or to manage the covenant 19

a pandemic we just crossed 300 000 dead

americans to give you a perspective this

pandemic in less than a year has killed

more people than americans died in world

war ii in other words this crisis of

public health is a more devastating

impact on this country than any war it

has fought since the civil war and which

was in 1860 to give you an idea but even

before the crisis of today of this year

there were two things about capitalism

at least here in the united states that

began to develop a critical movement and

momentum uh and it's very easy to

describe the first one and probably the

most important is inequality in other

words the gap the difference between the

richest at the top and the mass of

people uh the united states you need to

see it historically celebrate it

okay here's here's what's going on here

i'm speeding up richard wolf because i'm

already a marxist right

and we're most of us here are probably

already marxist

and other people would probably be more

interested in this because they've heard

they haven't heard this before right but

we've heard all of this before we know

we know what he's saying all right we're

more interested in hearing about what he

has to say

because that's what we're not familiar

with right

at least in the 20th century after the

great depression there was a compression

of inequality to give you an example

extreme inequality in the 1920s but with

the crash in 1929 in the 1930s there was

a massive movement from below the

congress of industrial organizations was

the greatest unionization movement in

american history in the 1930s roughly

from 1932 to 1938 roughly more people

joined labor unions in america than had

ever done it before and more joy than

i'd ever done it since it is the high

point of millions of americans who had

never been in the labor union before

deciding that with the collapse of

capitalism in the 1930s their best

chance as individuals their families as

regions as communities was to join labor

unions were fantastic at the same time

there were even more radicalized people

who joined two different socialist

parties and the communist party and the

two socialist parties and the communist

party and the cio the labor movement all

worked together and they went to the

president of the united states at that

time franklin roosevelt by name and they

said to him by the way a centrist

democrat rather like joseph biden in

terms of his politics

and they went to him and they basically

said to him a straightforward story uh

we represent 30 40 million people we

have organized them into unions into

political parties and we're telling you

mr president very politely we're telling

you you have to help the massive people

in this country get through this crash

of capitalism if you do we will make you

a hero and if you don't we will throw

you out of office and mr roosevelt was a

smart politician he understood that this

coalition was called in those days the

new deal coalition in the united states

union socialist and communist could

deliver on their threat it was not an

empty threat and so he said to them okay

we'll make a deal i will do for you and

the mass of people what has never been

done by a president in this country but

in return i don't want to hear any more

about revolution socialism none of that

that's the deal and that deal was

accepted and over the next few years in

the middle of the 1930s here's what was

done and remember it's a crisis with

millions i want them to clash i want

them to clash that's the issue

unemployed the government is bankrupt

because the unemployment don't pay taxes

businesses have collapsed in the midst

of all of that the government created

social security a pension program for

every american when you reach age 65 the

government gives you a check every month

for the rest of your life that was

created in the middle of the depression

number two the first unemployment

compensation system at the federal level

if you lose your job by the way at that

time there were tens of millions without

work if you lose your job the government

will give you a check for one half year

or more simply because you are

unemployed every week number three the

first minimum wage so that employers

could not pay below a living wage that

would allow people to have a minimum

thesis life and number four a federal

jobs program and here's what the

president said if the private capitalist

sector either cannot or will not employ

millions of americans who only ask for a

job then i as president said roosevelt i

will and between 1934 and 1940 the

federal government hired 15 million

unemployed people and gave them a decent

wage and if you ask as you should where

did the money come to pay for all of

this here's the answer

roosevelt the democratic party in power

taxed corporations and the rich heavily

and also required loans from them to the

government to pay for all of this so let

me underscore it because in any part of

the world this needs to be understood in

the 1930s a massive program to help the

poor to help the middle class survive

and grow have jobs have incomes keep

their homes open was done by the

president was paid for by the

corporations and the rich they weren't

happy about it but they had to do it and

the reward that mr roosevelt got was he

was re-elected three times no other

president in history of this country

ever achieved that not before mr

roosevelt and not since

wow the lesson here the politician who

does for the mass of people more than

any other president is also the most

popular president this country had and

that is part of the consciousness even

if you don't hear that story told well

what this did was for the rest of the

20th century make american capitalism

u.s capitalism much less unequal than

for example british or french or german

or italian capitalism and the

capitalists tried to make something good

out of what was forced on there so we

began to celebrate when i went to school

isn't capitalism wonderful because we

have a vast middle class yeah the irony

is the vast middle class was created by

labor union socialist communists in the

middle of the great depression it wasn't

the gift of capitalism it was full bro

are they going to debate

on capitalist from below but nonetheless

that was the ideology capitalism makes

us all wealthy or at least middle class

comfortable our own home our own

automobile all of that and when you do

that in a society and you do it for

decades as we did roughly from the 1940s

right to the present if then you change

that if suddenly you take away from the

middle class what they won in the 1930s

when you reach the 1929 inequality of

your life i'm looking at the video and

it's like

richard wolff is talking

and hijab talks for a little bit then no

no he barely talks dude i'm looking at

look how look how much richard wolf is

moving around here

uh

states which is what we've done in the

last 25 years you produce rage anger

bitterness as the mass of people find

themselves further and further behind

the mythology the so-called american

dream he's very very good at he's good

at what he does don't let me don't get

me wrong about this he's brilliant

at what he does it's just

i've heard it before you know so

i just want to hear what he has to say

about it

that's what i'm more interested in the

middle class life that's not true for

the massive people and they're what here

and they're watching that situation get

worse and worse worse for them worse

even for the prospects for their

children and that's that inequality in

our history is making people question

the whole system in a way as i said i

have never seen before the second and

the only two the second quality of

capitalism that is now working together

with this inequality to provoke system

criticism

is what i would call instability

wherever capitalism has settled for the

last three hundred years all over the

world you have an economic downturn on

average every four to seven years you

know that's an average sometimes it

takes longer sometimes it takes less but

on average for every four to seven years

here's what happens suddenly sizable

numbers of people lose their jobs their

skills haven't gone away the importance

of what they do hasn't gone away the

needs of the society for labor and its

products hasn't gone away but your job

went away and within your income

businesses have to cut back or they go

out of business we have many words

because this is so common recession

depression bust crisis downturn collapse

crash and lots of words because it is so

ever present it means that your lifetime

you and i being normally whatever it is

50 or 80 years we're going to experience

quite a few of these which are going to

interrupt our families our relationships

our education our jobs our regional

locations is extremely disruptive

especially when the downturns are deep

and long-lasting which the 1930s was and

which today's is you put together the

instability of this system and the

inequality it is generating and you have

two fundamental flaws of a system that

make people ask the logical question if

this system is so unstable and produces

such inequality can i cover alex jones

on twitch because alex jones i'm looking

at a video that says alex jones supports

reparations

from bill gates

and

based alert

i actually show that

don't do it sounds risky

is andrew schultz banned on twitch

andrew schultz twitch

does sound risky oh you will get in

trouble [ __ ]

looks like the twitch channel

well he is on twitch

pretty sure

oh he's not

you banned

you've done it before hassan watches him

he said he supports reparations

from bill gates which is based

if on top of it it is incapable of

handling the preservation of public

health in the face of a virus major

taylor green met with farrakhan

what

mara jory taylor green farrakhan

no way

yeah well then why don't we consider

another system i think that's a good

question and i think a lot of people

will agree with large parts of your

diagnostic there um i mean here's what i

understand what you said you've got to

use the example of the you know the

whole regression subsequent the great

depression in the 30s as like the prime

example of how this system malfunctions

both in terms of stability and in terms

of inequality and i think a lot of

people think well this like you said

this boom and bust is a feature of

capitalism and always has been a feature

of capitalism but many people will also

say well the alternative which maybe you

may be alluding to

uh if we're talking about an alternative

thank you

which is in many ways antithetical to

the capitalistic system things like

communism marxism or strong forms of

socialism those systems themselves have

their own

problems if you like you know they have

their own issues um for example if we

were to assume and watch i'm not saying

that this is your view because i'm not

sure exactly what your view is on this

but if we were to assume that

the government is going to now possess

or take all the means of production for

itself and now distribute uh in an

egalitarian type of way the means of

production and thus people will not have

property rights or they will not have um

you know employment rights and so on and

so forth then the issues that commonly

asked or the questions are commonly

asked with this type of system will be

pronounced things like where is

meritocracy in this kind of system or

meritocracy would be something which is

much de-emphasized in this kind of

system a lazy person if you want to put

it in local terms can be rewarded for

his laziness or her laziness it could be

the case also that you have a transition

to a kind of

authoritarian system because now the

government has all this means of

production and many would use i'm not

saying this is you know the reason but

many would use the examples of you know

lenin and stalin and mao and so on and

so forth has examples of you know where

the opposite which is communists or

marxist kinds of systems would also go

wrong so having having said that in term

of um your diagnostic with capitalism

what makes you confident about and if

you are indeed uh confident about this

what makes you confident that a

socialist or a marxist system uh or or

some kind of left-leaning uh fiscally

economic um system would be better than

uh or not even better that would be the

solution well it's a very you know it's

in what we call in this country the

sixty four thousand dollar question yeah

it's the question that that's from a

television show that asks you a

millionaire yeah

um it's very important question i'm glad

you asked it let me respond if i can

but before i do about meritocracy as i

mentioned to you i am the product of the

most elite schools this country has

and i have benefited personally

throughout my life from that fact

whenever i because i'm a critic of

capitalism because i do uh admit and i

don't run away from having learned an

enormous amount from the marxist

tradition of criticism of capitalism and

since i don't shy away from that uh i

have been i've had to have problems in

my life because of my political

perspective and whenever i have i've

waived my pedigree having gone to the

right universities and usually the folks

back away because they are intimidated

by the pedigree and they leave me alone

which is part of why i've been a

professor in american universities i'm

on television literally every day now et

cetera et cetera um why do i tell you

this because meritocracy is a wonderful

idea i'm sure it would be interesting to

live in a society that works that way

but i can assure you that the united

states is not was not and is nowhere

near being such a place uh and if if you

think it is then i take my hat off to

the public relations of people for

having persuaded folks uh of such a

thing i was surrounded at all of these

institutions by young men and women some

of whom were and still are my personal

friends

but

merit is not what they had they had

parents with money who got them into the

right school at the right time who've

carried them all their lives it's been a

source of support for them which they've

appreciated but it's also been a

condemnation to ambivalence about

learning uh about human relationships

and i know this all from very close uh

observation uh with these folks uh most

of those of us who were quote unquote

successful in these universities came

from less well-off families who were

able to get their kids like me my

parents had no money at all into these

institutions at the various moments when

they were open uh to people who had some

intellectual interests but no in this

country the the honest statement is

where you end up in life is not

dependent on what you know it's

dependent on who you know and that is

well well understood i don't know what a

government-run systems uh arrangements

would be my assumption not that

different but in any case meritocracy is

a wonderful idea i wish somebody would

actually try to set that up but uh we

haven't managed to you've kind of

alluded this i probably agree with you

on on those comments or at least a large

part of them but the the point i'm

making here is that if you did have a

communist system meritocracy or the idea

of marriage it's so hard

so hard like how do you begin from this

type of islam

to lenin stalin and mao how do you do

that

that is quite peculiar

how do you simplify that

here's the way i would answer

uh yes i am part of the left i am part

of the socialist communist marxist

whatever you want to call it uh left

it's critical of capitalism but i'm also

a product of the last century i have

seen what happened in the soviet union

or china or vietnam or cuba or any of

the other societies that have tried in

one way or another to depart from the

capitalism that i grew up in and that i

know best which is what we tend to call

private capitalism in the sense that the

largest part of the economy is privately

owned and operated

capitalist enterprises now from my

learning

i know that from the beginning of um so

i'm not the one who banned you so i

don't know why you were banned

certainly of marxism uh marx dies in

1883 so for the last 150 years since he

passed on there's been a tradition of

using his thinking to criticize

capitalism and then once the soviet

union revolution happens to try to

install it and i know and i hope you do

that there have been long deep bitter

disagreements debates alternatives

within the marxian tradition as to what

the words he wrote meant what the

critique should be what the alternative

might look like

i would appreciate a chance to debate

you sometime sure get in the discord and

go and show on come on show requests and

i will debate you

there isn't one there isn't the

socialist response there never was there

are socialist responses and one of the

things folks like me and boy am i not

alone here

one of the things we've learned is that

the alternative to the capitalism we are

critics of is not to have the state come

in and do it it is not to have the state

take over industry for example neither

by regulation sort of the european

social democratic system nor the soviet

or chinese type where the government why

not

uh it's not true anymore in china but it

was for a while that the government

literally displaces the private

capitalist and runs the businesses

itself we see

we see that that didn't do what our

criticism of capitalism aims at

achieving what it did do and that's a

whole nother just

why should communism and islam be

incompatible why are they why would they

be incompatible that's the issue

that's the issue honestly the real issue

is they're not incompatible

a lot of muslims are scared of the word

communism and marxism and socialism

because it seems like it's a different

thing but it's perfectly

it's harmonious with islam

the communists and marxists and

socialists they didn't know about islam

they had no idea about

you know

that's interesting

discussion is it replace the private

employer with the government as the

ultimate employer and that's interesting

that's a shift in our view from a

private capital because we islam is

stronger than all ism

i agree with that it's stronger than any

ism because but that's that's why

they're not incompatible right you can

be a communist and participate in

communism still be a muslim muslims

covering ground that communism isn't

islam addresses an aspect of uh

your reality that

marxism and communism by themselves do

not

but also don't make assumptions about

what marxism or communism is what if

communism and marxism is part of islam

right you don't even know what you're

critiquing here

it's

economics that stems from tradition i

don't buy that

realism to a state run capitalism

because for us and here marx is crucial

the key thing about capitalism is the

relationship between the two players in

this system the employer and the

employee in capitalism it's the employer

who has all the power makes all the key

decisions about every enterprise

it has its own economic system according

to the surah

and what is that economic system does it

talk about how you industrialize

countries does it talk about

um the partialization and distribution

of land

does it talk about

you know

structural reforms and dealing with

oligarchs does it talk about those type

of things does it talk about the source

of value in society how value is

produced

it talks about all those things i doubt

it i think

there were

stipulations and provisions

that for example you have to pay zakat

the rich have to give to the things like

that which i understand

but i don't think there's a specific

islamic economic system i don't think

there's such a thing and if you study

the history of islamic societies they

abided by the you know

prescriptions of the holy book

pertaining to matters of usury and

things like that but they had very

different

systems right every factory every store

every office a tiny group of people the

owner uh the board of directors the

major shareholders whatever they are

tiny group of people make the decisions

for the vast majority the employees

and that's how the system works for us

that's the problem and that's not solved

if you get rid of the private citizen in

the employer position and substitute for

that a public official in the employer

position which is largely what the

soviet union for example did this i

don't agree with richard wolf here with

all respect i don't agree with that

our view is that the problem is that

relationship the employer employee

relationship and that what needs to be

done and what socialism means for us in

the 21st century

is the radical transformation of the

enterprise so that it becomes not a

hierarchical employer employee structure

but instead a democratic community in

which all the players whatever their

function in the division of labor within

the enterprise one person one vote they

decided

with debate very quickly i want to see

what alex jones said we're going to

return back to this

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it's going to make sure there's no tos

anywhere

be found

um

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make sure we're all good here

okay yeah it's gonna be quick

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alex how do you feel about repertoire we

should be fine actually

talk to some people

oh [ __ ] um

let me raise the [ __ ] volume this is

you know you can say like here's the

problem two percent of people in america

had family that was alive when black

people were slaves in america so it

becomes like a corporate thing like this

i'll fight with each other i'm for

reparations for everybody

when it's all corporate tyranny

and manipulation of digits and states so

here's the deal if we could pay

reparations once and get it done and

stop racial division i'll be all for it

but they're not trying to end racial

division they're trying to intensify

racial division so there's unlimited

money so okay give everybody that wait

are people who said he was a white

supremacist that's not something a white

supremacist would say

the [ __ ]

it has family they can prove

was a slave the united states a million

dollars i'd say it's all digital give

the money it'll just go back to the

economy but they don't do it it's not

gonna do that because they're not doing

it in stuff they're doing to keep the

problem going mm-hmm so there's

unlimited money [ __ ] i mean we can build

here's the thing about humans

dude he's a communist alex jones is the

communist he just doesn't even know it

he is a communist dude

you think we just build aircraft

carriers nuclear reactors we can do

anything now yeah so they want to make

it about oh what are we going to give

you oh we're this group we're going to

give you something because you got

[ __ ] over that group trying to give

you something wants to run you

so i'm just saying give everybody

everything i'm telling you it's

unlimited man humans can't do anything

so this is interesting like what about

the idea and this is why i'm actually

really sorry black people

are very conspiratorial

they're and they're the biggest

listeners but they should be waiting

they're your biggest listeners

yeah overall if you look at any

demographic yeah about a third of

audiences african-americans honestly

yeah

but that makes sense to me because if

you look at like who the victims of

governments

are

black people right

yeah yeah like you even brought it up i

think i was listening to you on a

podcast you were talking about the

tuskegee experiment but like so black

people are very skeptical not only of

vaccines but of government in general

because they've been on the the [ __ ] end

of yeah it's not some virtuous thing i'm

against you being tested on dude

whatever they do to anybody they'll get

to me yeah yeah yeah so i guess what i'm

wondering is like

the the reparations thing it what's

interesting to me is

as payback for

the treatment post-slavery i feel like

alex jones

legit has love for people you know what

i mean like

whereas a lot of lefties who claim to

support black people they don't really

have love for black people what i mean

right like the red line that's almost

worse bro like yeah you could argue that

that's not full of the relationships

didn't come from regular people how

about from goldman sachs or jp morgan

talk to like like they said oh bank of

england we're gonna pay black people

back i'd be all for it but like well

like some average dude what if they just

imagine some white dude that like works

in a restaurant he can barely pay his

bill he's got he's divorced

he's he's got to pay the

you know

state this money for now he's got to

increase taxes so he could pay back

somebody else he's going to be pissed

off and he's sharing like i'm going to

give black people money that's [ __ ]

but if you

dude he sounds like a wise communist

strategist going about like how are you

going gonna get out the optics for

reparations and he's doing a good job

you said hey ibm you ran the nazis

you're gonna pay money um i don't think

that how about that hey

dude i don't think that poor white guy

would be upset at all they'd be like

[ __ ]

on board

because of us

yeah so hit who did it tell them truffle

if people are like hit who did it but

the media's like oh we're gonna make a

whole we're gonna make some white dude

like is a lifeguard paid money but that

person's like [ __ ] this

no i think love is different than care

about i think love's a the most powerful

thing in the world

and it's

it's like um

it's a it's a type of thing that i just

can't really describe

not a big can love the people but you

it's not really personal if that makes

sense

you know what i mean

a racist a life equal but if you

actually hit who no seriously some dude

who works at a jewelry store or a guy

that works at an auto parts store

they're like i'm white so i got to pay

something guys this will don't be scared

of this word communism marxism socialism

those things were about real

injustices and real struggles like

you have to under it wasn't about just

trying to force some [ __ ] on reality it

was about some real [ __ ] you know

something they're like [ __ ] that no but

if you actually hit the companies that

did it they profited off for it and that

actually increases racial division if

you do because the white guy that's like

mechanic is like i got to pay black

people yeah and the lifeguard he's

already saved guys like fixes a black

lady's car he's here like he's [ __ ]

this black lady over but meanwhile ibm

and bill gates and the globals did it

make them pay that's a great idea for it

so reparations should be paid by the

people that profited off of

the enslavement black people or they'll

be on board with that

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okay we're entering territory

yeah we we cannot

there we go we're ending it there

discussion and majority rule what to

produce what technology to use where to

carry out the production and what to do

with the profits that all of them

together have helped to produce that

democratization

of the enterprise structure internal is

what we think it's like when you get to

those kind of moments that's when you

just kind of leave and

yeah you're done i think the future

holds as a solution to both the problems

of private capitalism with which we

began our conversation have you watched

the dugan interview yes i did and it was

super based

today and the problems of the state

capitalism that were the efforts of the

last century to go beyond capitalism i

believe those efforts are now exhausted

we learned that one is university

elections in pakistan running for the

communist party based

much much was accomplished many terrible

mistakes were made circa left the alex

jones stream up all night when he slept

with stream

we're ready for the next phase right so

let me tell you i put my cards on the

table as where i kind of um my where my

position is so obviously i come from the

islamic tradition um

and um and actually islam does have

discussions on economics and obviously

um uh zakat is one of the pillars of

islam but um in terms of where we stand

on this discussion uh or where i stand

and maybe many will agree is yeah so the

capitalism we don't agree with it but we

also don't agree with communism um and

so the reason why is because um in terms

of capitalism you've talked about the

inequality problem and you've talked

about the instability problem for us

um i really don't think that there is a

push towards an equality of outcome from

the islamic perspective in other words

yeah but there also isn't in communism

right communism was just about

um

an alternative path to modernity right

and this dudes is going to play up

a big game talking but i'm going to give

you the truth about what's going on with

the muslim countries

and that's why i would call this guy a

utopian socialist actually because let's

get down to the meat and potatoes and

follow the money trail okay you look at

the muslim countries today and they do

not have economic independence they are

reliant upon western capital and western

economic institutions so they are not

able to actually do what the communists

were able to do which was create an

alternative and independent

source of capital and economic power

than the west now there are exceptions

in the islamic world there's iran right

but that's polarizing because they're

shia

and

it's just iran right maybe syria but

that's also controversial because it's

aligned with the

the fertile crescent

other than that and then libya

previously actually yes that's actually

true to an extent yes that is true

um

beyond those three examples if we're i

don't know how far in the past we can go

right you had the arab socialism with

nasr but that was secular syria is also

secular libya was not extremely secular

but

now you did have uh

iraq under saddam hussein

which

stopped being secular later on in the

course of his reign

so i suppose that was an example of

trying to build an econo independent

economic base but um

that's you really have to understand

what communism is actually about you're

either with the british empire

or you're with communism it's not a it's

it's a matter of whether you can be

independent in the first place how does

heidegger relate to the muslim world

he's very very popular in the muslim

world

and the reason why we base well we have

this judgment right at least i have this

judgment is because of a

well-known saying of the prophet so

basically some people came to the

prophet muhammed and asked him um some

people were raising the prices in a

market okay so

and so they asked him to basically lower

the prices in which he responded he said

that god is the one who sets the prices

in other words i'm not going to get

myself involved in setting lowering and

increasing prices

so because um

what

where is it written that you can't have

any

intervention and manipulation of prices

hold on what the [ __ ]

let me roll that back

um some people are raising the prices in

a market okay so we have this judgment

right at least i have this judgment it's

because of a

well-known saying of the prophet so

basically some people came to the

prophet muhammad and asked him um some

people were raising the prices in a

market okay so and so they asked him to

basically lower the prices in which he

responded he said that god is the one

who sets the prices in other words i'm

not going to get myself involved in

setting lowering and

increasing prices um so because

because that's not really it's not my

position and so from yeah i get that but

you have to distill the wisdom of that

with a hermeneutic and you can't you

can't dogmatically apply that to

economies

in the modern age

when the you know currency and prices

are very heavily and blind with the

business and goings of governance right

you know we don't have a bunch of market

stands and vendors because let me tell

you what

if the profits were to have gone to

these market stands and told these

people hey you have to raise or lower

the

price you know

uh he would be engaging in an act of

unjust coercion right

so there's a wisdom in in that saying

but it doesn't have to result in you

know this

and that

there seems to be like a free market

kind of understanding from the obviously

demanded supply based but at the same

time there's a redistribution

understanding as well because of the

characteristics there's eight recipients

of their catholic categories of

recipients of them is um of the people

who basically don't have money or the

[ __ ] or the one who is impoverished or

those who don't have enough to fulfill

their basic needs and so on but it would

seem to me that from from this

perspective um

the economic inequality factor

although is something which is not

necessarily desirable it's not something

which is seen as immoral from the

islamic perspective so long as the basic

needs of that individual is being met

and in fact there is a verse in the book

that's also the communist view we don't

say and all inequality is uh bad

um

i think there's a big misunderstanding

here

and to that effect which says

um

in communism there's a spirit of

equality but that's also true in islam

right the way for example stalin

he would sleep on uh

what are those shitty beds called those

he he would sleep he was a very modest

person very simple person you know

yeah

and you know

both stalin and mao were pretty modest

people

of youtube now listen i'm not that

modest see here's the thing right

i'm an extravagant whatever

[ __ ]

not in terms of how i spend my money so

much but like i'm a bragger to all that

kind of [ __ ] but that's because um

i'm an entertainer i'm doing a media

company right i'm not a political leader

a leader of a political party should

never act like i do a leader of a

political party has to be like a very

mature

sage and a very stoic and ascetic type

of sage that you are not

and you're not doing the [ __ ] i'm doing

right

like for example i was the leader of a

political party

and you're hearing about me you know

piping going out you know going

traveling and talking to a bunch of egos

and [ __ ] like that's

very inappropriate right

that's very inappropriate for a

political leader that's

horrible right but i'm just a [ __ ]

i'm just a twitch streamer

exceed others in levels uh and then so

so you can use oh that they can they can

use other people for employment purposes

you can even i'm not sure that

employment would be the right kind of

translation but

islamic uh this form of islam is a form

of utopian socials 100

they can use them for their own

advantage which seems to me to be

exactly against what marx would say

because obviously surplus value the idea

that

um you know the the the the employer

employee relationship is exploitative

one at its core basically no that's not

that's not the point of marx's uh

you

this is my understanding of marxism that

when you have this hierarchy the

employer employee relationship then

there's an exploitation going on by

necessity almost because this is surplus

value

and so no

marxism for me seems to say absolutely

not no there's much more wealth to it

i would love to hear an authentic

islamic perspective on

capital marx's book capital because

there is an islamic word

that can be brought in right capitals

is a very metaphysically heavy book

that's dealing with the nature between

forum and content price and value

um the real source of actual value in

society

the um of the relationship between the

two

and there was there could be a very

interesting islamic perspective on that

unfortunately you would have to you know

that's like islamic golden age level

right that's not

you know you're not going to get that

from an ideologist

okay well what we need to do is we need

to kind of abolish this um so that the

hierarchy is eliminated and it seems to

be the assumption from uh from what i'm

hearing from you no that's not true

is that

the inequality is a bad thing in all

cases um and so even when it comes to

equality of outcome

we want to achieve equality of outcome

whereas what it seems to me from from

being on my tradition is that uh

equality of outcome is not a desirable

objective in fact

there is no

the equality of outcome has nothing to

do with marxism absolutely nothing

the burden of proof would be the upon

the one who's making the claims in other

words if someone says a big mistake

muslims make

is knocking on an open door they have a

really negative view of communism and a

very negative view of marxism and

socialism because they're knocking on an

open door right they're assuming that

because communists are not muslims

that they're against islam well there's

room for islam and communism and you

should be the one to introduce

that you know there is room for islam

and communism it's just that

it hasn't happened because

there hasn't been a lot of involvement

there right

equality of outcome don't knock on an

open door

is a desirable objective that everyone

should have the same kind of money or

the same kind of uh uh

you know resources and they shouldn't be

this kind of hierarchical structure of

employee employees don't assume lenin

and mao and stalin have an issue with

islam they just didn't know they didn't

they didn't concern themselves with

islam they're too busy with other things

you know

and that is an exploitative one as core

then the person who's making this claim

it seems to be a very epistemologically

heavy claim with many assumptions we'd

have to prove in the first instance uh

in instance that um that it

that is exploitation an objectively true

exploitation number isn't stalin kind of

interested in islam yeah sure he was he

was curious but he was a very busy man

and he did not concern himself

uh too much with it but he respected

islam and he respected muslims he told

enver hoja he said hey

fool it with your anti-religious stuff

because muslims have been this way for

thousands of or sorry over a thousand

years or hundreds of years this is their

tradition this is their way and the

traditions of the people this is quote

must be respected the religious feelings

of the people must be respected

what did stalin say to hoja

stalin to hoja muslim

uh

offended

yeah

see

we have the same religion as turks your

ancestors is for the romans and turks

religion this is what stalin said

religion has nothing to do with

nationality and statehood the questions

of religious beliefs must be kept well

in mind

must be handled with great care

because the religious feelings of the

people must not be

offended these feelings have been

cultivated in the people for many

centuries and great patience has falled

for on this question because the stand

toward it is important for the

compactness and unity of the people

there you go

he said religion has nothing to do with

nationality and state you know what that

means you're building a communist state

you're building a communist nation

you know how to attack religion it's got

nothing to do with that

it's got nothing to do with it

it's not a threat

you know

one and number two that would be

desirable to have equality of outcomes

so that it would seem before we could

get to the point of saying we inequality

is a bad thing which seems to be like a

very

like general wide thing to say two

problems would have to be solved one of

them is how do you know or how can you

prove that equality of outcome when it

comes to economics is a good thing

and how can you prove that the employer

employee relationship or surplus value

whatever you want to call it is in fact

an exploitative thing uh at all from an

objective kind of perspective

sure let me respond which i think i can

um

first a couple of

points yeah i read lenin's letter to the

muslims i read it at a very young age i

read it in middle school actually and i

was so surprised of how conciliatory

um

lenin was

i read his letter to the muslims let me

read it again

and i was like [ __ ] you know

when he started talking about the

european the greedy robbers of europe

and that i was like what

what is he talking about

we may disagree yeah um notice that i

tried to stress that there are different

interpretations of socialism and marxism

and as with all

you know great traditions of thinking

there are disagreements and varieties of

interpretation yeah from the little bit

i know about islam it's true of that

tradition too that there are differing

perspectives on on how to read the quran

how to interpret it and how to

understand uh the writings and

contributions of great thinkers in the

islamic tradition et cetera et cetera um

and i would guess that some of them are

probably closer and some of them are

further from the perspective within

marxism that i've tried to argue number

one number two i apologies for that

okay um

number one number two uh let's be clear

i did not advocate some kind of blanket

equality neither of quote opportunity

nor quote

the anti-religious campaigns in the

early ussr

um

dugan talks about how this they

perfectly fit within the orthodox

tradition of iconoclasm

destruction and rebirth of

legend anew

that's not the issue the issue would be

if if i make myself clear is that for

example in an enterprise run

democratically one of the decisions that

would be made democratically

is what range of difference among

the people in an enterprise including

difference in income or wage or salary

or whatever words you want

would be appropriate that that is a

socially determined and should be

democratically determined range of

difference but there is no presumption

or not none is needed in the argument

i'm making that they would decide they

might but there's no presumption that

they would have to decide that everybody

gets the same that right that that's

usually been i'm not saying you did this

but usually that kind of image has been

used as a bit of a uh a caricature in

order to criticize the the position

that's not necessary but let me give you

an example of why this is this idea is

important yeah over the last um

eight months here in the united states

as i said

three hundred thousand people have died

of the covet 19.

uh and 60

a million a third of our labor force has

had to go into unemployment during which

whatever savings they have were used up

uh during which they leaned on their

family and relatives and friends and

neighbors for help at a time when the

friends and neighbors weren't able to

help them or couldn't do much

and so

we've had a massive

diminution in the standard of living

this light makes me so tired

of at least half our population

at the same time i'm going to give you

one example

jeffrey bezos the owner and ceo

uh jeffrey of the um

right now

amazon corporation i assume you know

what that is um

his fort his personal fortune it purged

the church of the corrupt that church

was very corrupt at that time

went from roughly 130 billion dollars to

over 200 billion dollars right if we

took away yeah there was an antagonism

between like these people coming down

from the cities with these

anti-religious campaigns and there was

peasant resistance to it and ambivalence

to it right there was a tension there

but you have to ask which side was

stalin on when it came to that tension

and it became he he had to appear

neutral most of the time but it very it

became very clear that he was on the

side of the peasant on the side of the

people

you

know as you can see in our stalin video

he was on their side

looking out for them the whole time

way

180

billion dollars

okay we're done with this video

how would you describe your materials

into a muslim

i would say

it's about essence

i'm gonna go to the gym guys

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