The Lies We're Told About Stalin ft. Grover Furr

hello

what's up everybody i am hold on one

moment um

what's up everybody i am now live with

professor grover fur from montclair

state university

and today we're going to be talking

about

the lies that we're told about stalin

so uh

professor fur if you'd like to give a

brief introduction in case there's

people

who aren't familiar with your work or

well certainly

um

i'll be brief um for about the last 20

years or so i've been

making my main research job

the investigation of

and study of the

documents from former soviet archives

that have gradually been released in

russia after the end of the soviet union

and

the first book i published

was

is titled khrushchev lied

and that's about

the

famous speech

secret speech as it's called in english

and

that the khrushchev gave to the 20th

party congress in 1956

attacking joseph stalin

and in that book

with the help of documents from the

former soviet archives i was able to

prove that

basically khrushchev didn't

make even a single accusation that was

true we can disprove

virtually everything he said

uh or all the accusations that he made

against stalin and barrier in that

speech

since then i've gone on to investigate

other

alleged crimes

by stalin

and

i've written

a total of about 14

books on

subjects of soviet history during the

stalin period

and what i found so far is that

i can't verify a single crime

that stalin committed all of the

allegations of crimes that are

you hear or read about stalin

uh it turns out are false

so i'm continuing that research

uh it's very striking it's very

surprising to many people i myself am

not surprised anymore i certainly was

surprised at the beginning of this

uh

research journey

and i hope that your

audience is uh interested in this

subject too

yes they most definitely are um you know

myself included i uh you know one of the

reasons why we consider the question of

stalin's legacy of such

porns today and even practical

importance is that

uh you know currently there's been a

revival uh within the i don't have to

get into any politics but there's

currently been somewhat of a revival of

the communist party in the united states

so now we're trying to grapple with the

questions of the 20th century

which you know the communist party is is

struggling with now you know the soviet

union is gone and now it's it's

grappling and struggling with questions

about uh its own history and the history

of the world communist movement at large

yes um

and that actually brings me to my first

question i think the beginning of of uh

one of the biggest shifts in the history

of world communism was khrushchev's uh

secret speech

uh and that secret speech had these

far-reaching implications where suddenly

the communist parties the world over

they underwent several splits there was

was a big factor in the sino-soviet

split

um so khrushchev's secret speech you

know must have been pretty damning right

and my question for you is um

what are the most illustrative examples

of the way in which in your view

khrushchev

had lied about stalin and had lied about

the history

of the soviet union what were these

um

what were the most egregious examples of

his lies

well

actually there are a lot of them

khrushchev um

christoph attacked stalin

at the at the

uh 20th party congress in february 1956

when he gave that famous speech but he

continued to do this

and

at the 22nd party congress which was in

october 1961

not only khrushchev but others

members of the central committee

attacked stalin

very

very sharply

and um

stalin's body was removed from the linen

stalin mausoleum for example as a result

of

that congress

and then from 1962

until khrushchev was deposed in october

1964

uh khrushchev sponsored a

very large number

of books and articles

attacking stalin and

the

stalin supporters

uh particularly during the 1930s but

also during the 1940s

so there was a kind of avalanche of

of accusations

published

in the soviet press

all attacking stalin

and

this continued for some months after

khrushchev was deposed

but it was

fairly

quickly shut down

for a time

you know after after a time after i

don't know a year or so

it's hard to pick out any one or two

representative

accusations

but khrushchev

described almost everything that stalin

did

in the most negative terms and then

after particularly after 1961 after the

20th 22nd party congress

writers

historians

journalists

attacked many more things

made many more accusations that stalin

crimes that they they charged against

stolen

and these are still repeated today

that is to say uh

mainstream historians mainstream

anti-communist historians and of course

trotskyist historians

have never admitted that khrushchev lied

they simply ignore that

and continue to repeat the same

lies

about stalin as

as were

cooked up during khrushchev's time and

you're right this caused a tremendous

split in the world communist movement it

had a

of course it invigorated and overjoyed

the capitalists and imperialists around

the world it gave a big shot in the arm

to the trotskyist movement because

you know trotsky had been saying some of

the same kinds of things about stalin

that khrushchev and his followers said

and

we can look back now and see it was

you know

perhaps the beginning of the end

of the soviet union because it's pretty

clear

that

after leonid brezhnev died in 1962 and

then you had

1982 and then you had

chernin cohen and dropoff

as leaders of the communist party of the

soviet union and they didn't really last

very long

once you got to michael gorbachev

it's obvious that gorbachev

who was sort of of that cruise jet

generation believed christian

i'm not saying that gorbachev and his

men were incapable of lying as well

but they they believed it

they believed that uh what khrushchev

said

so

the idea the

notion that khrushchev actually could

have

not only lied

like a little bit but really lied all

the time about stalin

requires a complete revision of the way

we look at

soviet history

and as a result world history because

the 20th century in some ways really was

the soviet the soviet century

everything after the bolshevik

revolution everything in the world had

some sort of

relationship or took some sort of

position

uh towards the bolshevik revolution it

was the

the uh

the major event by far of the 20th

century so

so khrushchev's lies are very

significant

um

what what what would you say uh

is an example of some of the things

khrushchev had alleged against stalin

um sure

well

uh i guess people don't read his secret

speech

very much

um

but khrushchev

khrushchev said that stalin

framed

uh

falsely accused that then ek had

executed

leaders of the bolshevik party you know

some prominent members of the

bullshitting party

the same kind of accusations that

trotsky had made that uh he had uh

wrongly killed the military leaders

marshall takachevsky and

some of the

military commanders who were tried and

then executed

along with marshall spacevsky

that he had

wrongfully executed

many members of the central committee

and

and and so forth and so on i mean

this

this kind of list

of uh

people whom stalin had wrongly repressed

or wrongly had executed and so forth

goes on and on and chris joe's speech

and then in the

the writings that he sponsored

so it's hard to pick out just one but um

maybe we can get to some of these uh

other questions that you had

yeah

but uh

but this the fact that that

uh khrushchev's secret speech which was

such a a uh

an

earth-shaking

event in 20th century history

is based on lies

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that the importance of that fact can't

be underestimated

i should say can't be overestimated

should not be interested in it

it really changes

almost everything in the way we look at

the history of the 20th century

um well for khrushchev to have lied this

egregiously really speaks that to some

kind of internal conflict or antagonism

within the soviet state yes uh so in

your view why did khrushchev and the

rest

effectively usurp the soviet state and

and lie so egregiously about stalin in

the way that they did what interest do

you think they represented and what

changes do you think were being planned

uh by stalin for the soviet state that

that

maybe would have come at the expense of

theirs

yes well

back in 2005 i published a two-part

article

called stalin the struggle for

democratic reform

and

that was not based really on independent

research of mine it was really a

question of

making available to an english reading

public

some research that had been done by

uh a russian historian and

one or two uh american historians as

well

so

it seems pretty clear that stalin wanted

to get the party out of the business of

directly running the soviet union he

wanted to return power to the soviets he

also wanted

to have secret contested elections

to the soviet soviet of course means

council so these are the legislative

bodies

in the soviet constitution

at that time he wanted to have

you know elections that that were very

very similar to those uh in western

capitalist countries with the exception

of that he

he didn't want to have different parties

he wanted to have

public organizations nominate candidates

but he didn't want to have different

parties run and if you read the 1936

constitution it's pretty clear that that

was what he wanted to do

um

in my two-part article of 2005

stalin and the struggle for democratic

reform which you can get on my webpage

you can download it

and also in a book that i wrote a few

years ago called yejal versus stalin

without the

so-called great purges or the great

terror

um

i set forth the evidence that it appears

that the central committee

of the party

major party leaders around the country

did not want to do that they did not

want to have these kinds of democratic

elections there are a couple of other

things too there are other sort of

reforms that stalin

was proposing in addition to getting the

party out of directly running

the country turning that over to the

soviet government

and having the party concentrate

it seems on uh

unwinning people to

marxism leninism running people to

communist ideology

some other

issues

where that he and this he stated in 1937

and

this is actually not

not secret it was published at the time

stalin proposed

training courses training schools and

marxism leninism

that all party leaders on every level

should attend

from the lowest levels of the

of the party all the way up to the

you know

the provincial

oblast

levels of

some central committee members

and he laid it out like

in a very straightforward language that

this is what was going to happen they're

going to have these courses and

these party leaders should

nominate

people to

take their place for a while

while the party leaders themselves went

off and

took these courses to improve their

understanding of marxism

but clearly stalin

was concerned about the

question of political illiteracy

if you want to put it that way among the

leaders of the communist party

those schools never happened and stalin

announced that they were going to happen

but they never did happen we never heard

any more about them after stalin made

that announcement

one thing it would be good to see if

they

are ever forthcoming from the former

soviet archives is

what sort of discussions there must

there were

something

that um

that

led to the result that their these

schools did not exist

uh that never took place

it's

it's logical to think that

the party leaders or many party leaders

would not have wanted to appoint

replacements

and go off to

ideological training perhaps they

thought that their replacements

would stay in place and they would lose

their

their positions they would lose their

power

and maybe even that it may even be the

case that's what stalin had in mind

but that's not what he said and and this

happens at the same time as

the

history of the communist party of the

soviet union short course is being

edited written edited re-edited

chapters are being sent all over the

country for

public commentary and suggestions

and this book

becomes a kind of

primer kind of a

beginning course if you want on the

history of the of the bolshevik party

and also on marxism leninism

so

stalin was very concerned

about political literacy

and his efforts

did not seem to bear much fruit in the

1930s when it comes to the late 1940s

stalin also

is after the war

spurred the uh

the creation of

a a large book on the political economy

okay

uh

and

you know

spent a lot of time and

a lot of resources of putting this book

together and this was to be a book on

political economy on historical

historical

economy

as well

and it eventually was

published

after stalin's death and then of course

altered under khrushchev and others

later on but he told

one of the major collaborators in this

work

if we don't have

this book

in the hands of

tens of thousands of people to be

studied there isn't going to be any

communism that is to say stalin clearly

believed that the level of political

literacy among the party

uh in within the bolshevik party and

particularly among the

leaders of the party was low

also

i mean there are other factors too but

let's let's just stop there for a time

yeah i know this doesn't seem to fully

explain the hostility

towards stalin that

emerged

after khrushchev's secret speech and

particularly after the 22nd party

congress so there's

there's probably more to it and and

there's probably a lot we still don't

understand

that's it's interesting because it's

it's pretty ironic

compared to the

traditional

uh kind of depiction of stalin in the

west as this authoritarian strong man

who you know represented you know some

kind of whimsical tyrannical power it

seems like stalin

was fighting these mini tyrants at the

level of the soviet bureaucracy and was

doing the best he could to defer power

back

to the uh soviet people so it's yeah

yeah i'm sorry you were going to ask a

question or yeah yeah um well yeah go

ahead

so the secret speech had really big

implications for communist politics in

the west yes uh the revelation that

their falsifications i think in my view

should have equally sweeping

consequences

so in your perspective do you think the

denunciation of stalin in international

communist politics might have something

to do with the decline of communist

parties uh west well certainly

certainly

certainly did but i would have to say

i would have to say

it did and also there was more to it

than that certainly it had a

tremendously

demoralizing effect

on communists all over the world and in

every communist part i have seen figures

you know

by bourgeois scholars but it doesn't

mean that they're all wrong that

perhaps a third of all of the communists

in the world outside of china and the

soviet outside of the soviet bloc in

china

uh quit

their communist parties within a couple

of years of khrushchev's secret speech

that that was

had a tremendously demoralizing

effect

it of course gave a big shot in the arm

to the anti-communists

not only in the west but inside the

soviet union too

there were lots of

people who had never really been won

over

to the

ideals of

of uh socialism and

workers dictatorship and communism

who admired western capitalism for

various reasons as well that's a

higher standard of living at least for

the for intellectual elites

and others um it's a level of

consumer goods which did not exist in

the soviet union

so

so sure it was a major

demoralizing factor

and

another aspect of that was that the

soviet leadership

at least

and so far as we could tell

uh

during stock during khrushchev's time

but especially after christchurch time

appeared to have believed

all of these

uh lies about the stalin period that

came out during christian's time

so

uh

so that's one aspect of it but the other

aspect of your question is

does it does it adequately account for

the

end of socialism the downfall of the

soviet union and i don't think it

adequately accounts for that i think

that

we have to keep in mind that khrushchev

himself came from somewhere

khrushchev was a major

party leader and after 1938 a member of

the politburo

during stalin's time

and

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the audience in 1956

at 20th party congress that heard

khrushchev's speech

must have known

many or most of those delegates must

have known that much of what khrushchev

said was false because they had lived

through that period

but they didn't say anything or they

didn't say much

so we really don't know

of course it's far too late to go back

and ask

those delegates they're all dead

that wasn't

done and there has been relatively

little attempt

on the part of russian historians let's

say

to go and investigate the uh

the personal papers the archives of

those people who were around at that

time it has a little bit here and there

but not really very much

so

uh

i think we still have to discover

important

causes

of the decline of social uh socialism in

the soviet union and its ultimate

collapse

and

we

chris jeff was in it was a cause but he

was also a symptom

of some deeper processes that were at

work

so um speaking of the soviet archives

since you mentioned them they've they've

also played a

a big source of attempts

to discredit the soviet state on during

the stalin era and um stalin himself

do you think that there's the common

ways in which uh the archival evidence

has been distorted is there

attacks against stalin

tend to focus on a small number of

alleged crimes

it's true that if you read

you know

a large number of

uh scholarly scholarly studies of the

soviet union during the stalin period

you could come up with a large number of

alleged crimes

but um

but most

communist or trotskyist criticism of

stalin

focuses

on

on a small number of pretty well-known

uh allegations and crimes

um

in my

experience doing research with the

soviet union during the stalin period

i have found that the

archival evidence

tends to

disprove

the

accusations made against stalin

as a secondary but not on important

issue

fake documents have also been smuggled

into

some soviet archives in order to provide

evidence

sort of

or to appear to provide evidence

to support some of the allegations

of crimes against stalin i think that's

a secondary issue but it's not

unimportant because it has big

ramifications for in certain issues like

for example the cat the catholic

massacre

so but i'd say uh the

the invigorating the inspiring

thing about the documents

from the former soviet archives is they

tend to

to report to give a very different

portrayal of stalin and of the soviet

union during the 1930s

than

uh the anti-communists and khrushchev

the trotskyists uh portrayed

uh yes speaking of um

captain the captain massacre is widely

used as an example to demonstrate

you know the criminality of the soviet

state yes um

what are some of the reasons why the

narrative of soviet responsibility

gained widespread traction and

your view uh

what is the veracity of the claim of

soviet responsibility right well i've

written two books on the cat massacre a

shorter book first and a longer study

second

which i

i looked at all the evidence i mean

people talk about the captain massacre

at least 99 times out of a hundred they

have not looked at the evidence

um

that's in part because it's not all that

easy to get

uh

it's in part because

there are large volumes of documents

which

purport to be evidence which claim to be

evidence the polish government throws

all kinds of documents volumes at you

and you talk about category but actually

almost none of those documents bear

directly on the question of who shot the

polls right

there

all kinds of contextual and background

information about all kinds of things

so

um

years ago i realized that sooner or

later i was going to have to come to

grips with

the captain issue and because it is

the best documented crime of stalin okay

there are lots of other alleged crimes

of stalin

but this is the best one that's best

documented

uh and

uh

it originated with the nazis

and the nazis collaborated with the

polish government in exile in england

uh

probably behind churchill's back but

that's

it's not all that important um

if it had just been the nazis who issued

the report claiming that the soviets had

killed all these polish officers

i doubt many people would have accepted

it but the polish government in exile

sent some people that the nazi's

invitation the german's invitation to go

there to

prowl around and look at the stuff with

the evidence look at the bodies

as they're looking at a body can really

tell you anything and uh and agreed with

the germans they said oh yes we hate the

germans you know they're ravaging poland

and killing lots of poles but they're

right about this they're right about

this well of course the polish

government in exile of the nazis

had a common enemy and that was the

soviet union it's not too surprising

that they

joined forces here

but i think and then of course after the

cold war began then the united states

and the other so-called allies flipped

from

accepting the soviet version to now

accepting the nazi version but they

don't call it the nazi version they call

it the polish

government and exile version and

it's clear it became clear to me from

studying this and from going back to the

primary sources which

very few people have done

it's clear that

the

gorbachev and the gorbachev leadership

of the soviet union in the 1980s

uh accepted

soviet guilt they believed that stalin

and beria the others had had had the

poles shot so when they told the polls

that

polish government that this that yes

stalin had all these people shot all

these prisoners that were shot

i'm convinced they believed it there's

some evidence that that suggests very

strongly that they believed it

themselves

um

but of course the captain is a is a

bonanza

for anti-communists anti-stalinists

anti-soviets

bonanza for gorbachev it continues to be

and so to the ext to such an extent that

it is literally taboo that is literally

forbidden

in the mainstream scholarship to

question

soviet guilted cat regardless of the

evidence

and i've had some personal experience

with that after having written my book

so

so it's been very successful the the uh

the story of

the false story of soviet gifted captain

has uh played an important role in uh

let's say uh depicting the stalin regime

as

as

similar

similar

in essence if not in quantity to

the nazi mass murderers and that's

that's kind of the way in which it's

employed

to in the effort to

to equate or to almost equate

uh communism with nazism

the soviet union with nazi germany and

stalin

that's

the the overall the overarching term

that's that's

invented

and employed to

to do that is totalitarianism

so you know the totalitarian are

allegedly the nazis and the communists

you know stalin and hitler

that's a major thrust of

western and trotskyist

uh anti-communist and trotskyist

uh propaganda

uh yeah against stalin the soviet union

but they believe it too

i mean it

it's not like they know it isn't true

but they say it anyway there's lots of

that going on but not about cat they

believe it

and of course not to dwell too much but

uh there's also supposed archival

evidence

to support

they allege the captain massacre sure

yeah uh okay so yeah that's a really

interesting story and i don't want to go

on about it too long

but

gorbachev

allegedly in 1991

just before the end of the soviet union

handed over to

boris yeltsin who was to become the

first

president of russia um

a packet of documents

called in english closed packet number

one

um

from the public bureau archives

supposedly

that uh contained the orders and the

various evidence that the soviets were

guilty at cat

um

well

and then yeltsin a year or so later

handed this off to lech valencia who was

the president of poland

and

this stuff was all published

well

in the year

i mean not everybody accepted this not

everybody believed it but i would say

most people believed it

i had no reason not to believe it but

some things about it didn't seem quite

kosher nevertheless

in

2010 a

member of the russian duma duma is the

parliament or the house of

representatives if you want right of the

russian government

a member of the russian duma

in victor ilyuchin he was a he was a

member of the communist party of the

russian federation which was a very

large party in russia

presented to the duma publicly

draft forgery documents that he said

that he had received from

a man who had

been hired to forge

these documents

that

gorbachev gave to yeltsin and yeltsin

gave to

gave to valencia that were published

prove soviet guilt

and that's pretty important stuff and

so important that it was completely

hushed up

i have never found a single article in

western

western newspapers for example it even

mentions it and as far as i know

uh in my study of the catan issue only

one

russian newspaper outside of the

communist party newspaper of course but

only one russian newspaper

mentioned it that is general purpose

you know general news

news uh source

uh it was completely almost completely

hushed up unfortunately we have the

internet and it was publicized on the

internet

um

so that's

you know that's pretty important and i

think it's just as important

to

to to recognize that it's been

suppressed

that even people who claim to know about

the

catholic issue very often have not

are unaware

or have not studied this material

so that was an example of you know

smuggling

phony documents into the archives

there are some web pages which describe

all of this i listed in my book

yeah i mean uh additionally you know uh

and related the molotov ribbon trough

pack is also an example that they use to

demonstrate you know

soviet criminal intent sure uh and

additionally the accusation is made

uh on top of that that as a consequence

of that pact that stalin had turned over

german communists

back to the nazis so what are the what

is the basis of allegations like these

and

well the multnomah is an interesting

issue i

i wrote an article which i've just put

on my web page about i think that was

also in 2009 or 2010 and it's still

there

but there there are a few

mainstream soviet scholars

who

write good stuff about the molotov

repertoire pact about the uh soviet

effort

to

forge

uh collective security

with

france and great britain and the fact

that france and great britain refused to

do that refused to

join with the soviets in any kind of

treaty

to

to keep hitler at bay

so

it's not

quite like

the uh

the catted massacre for example i mean

no

mainstream

scholar of the soviet union

no matter how liberal or how much on the

margins of respectability they may be

are are going to say

am i going to admit that there's doubt

that the soviets were guilty of canton

even though they weren't but because

that puts you beyond the pale you know

nobody will speak to you nobody will

invite you to conferences and publish

your papers and stuff

but

when it comes to the mullins health

ribbon trump act

there are a couple of

scholars who have written good stuff on

it and they have not been confined to

the

you know

the ninth circle of uh of hell

uh they haven't been dropped out of the

profession

uh for that uh

for that uh it's it's very clear the

evidence is very very clear um

one of those authors is uh

jeffrey

a roberts a professor in ireland of

soviet history now i think he's retired

another is michael j carley he was at

the university of montreal in canada

and uh and there are some russian

scholars too

so

so i think that that is not that

that

volatile ribbon truck pack has been has

has has gotten so

some

good

reliable scholarship

to expose how important it was by the

way in december 2020

might have been 2019.

um

december 2019

uh vladimir putin the president of

russia gave a talk

about

the soviet union

and the beginnings of world war ii

it was spurred on by the fact that

the soviet union had not been invited to

a

commemoration of some sort of commitment

commemorative

ceremony in poland

russia had not been fired

and um

the uh you know the polish nationalist

right-wing version is we were never

liberated you know

the soviets you can't say the soviets

liberated poland well of course that's

that's ridiculous

um

the polish jews polish jewish

organizations say that's wrong we were

absolutely

polish jews were absolutely liberated

from hitler by the red army but the

polish government won't say that because

they saw any communists

communists can't liberate people only

capitalists could liberate

um

the so the molotov ribbon truck pact was

was essential and necessary and putin

gave a very good speech

a very accurate speech in

december 2019

where he cited obviously he hadn't done

the research he'd had historians do the

research he cited all of the documents

and

you know you have to ignore these

documents in order to think that the

soviets

did anything wrong at all

in signing the molotov

and by the way just just

just to finish up on the fact

the official version of history is the

soviet union invaded poland

on september the 17th 1939

um

you know

in some sort of concert with

the germans who had invaded on september

the 1st

but that's not true

i have an article on my web page

one i referred to before

which is titled something like

did the soviet union invade poland in

1939 the answer is no they didn't

the polish government fled the country

without appointing a government in exile

and under international law

this means that the polish state has

ceased to exist

in addition the area of poland that the

soviet union occupied

and

took back took

uh kept

uh that is western bella russia and

western ukraine had been taken by

poland

from soviet russia

in 1921 taken by military action and

conquered

and the polish government had

terribly mistreated the ukrainian

yellow russian

jewish

populations of these of this

these areas

and

after the war the polish nationalists

had an underground terrorist

campaign

to try to get these territories back for

poland

which of course was unsuccessful

and um

and the contemporary polish government

has

has given up

does no longer claims these territories

as part of poland so it's a tacit

agreement

that these

territories were never part of poland i

mean there's a right-wing polish

movement saying oh you know we should

take it back

poland should have the same borders that

it had in the 18th century we should

have a port on the black sea stuff like

this

but though you know those the right wing

those are the right-wing lunatics

um

so it's uh

it's it's

recognized that these were not

legitimately parts of poland

and in fact

during the cold war in the 1950s an

american scholar an american scholar of

legal

legal history

published a couple of articles

in which he concluded

that

the soviet union had every right to take

back those territories

and that's pretty remarkable because

this was the depths of the cold war in

the mid 1950s and yet the american

scholar pointed that out

so

that's the story of the molotov rivetron

pact um which of course

is too valuable

for the anti-communists to

to

drop

because

you know it appears to be or they can

make it appear to be some sort of

concerted action by

by hitler and stalin by nazi germany

communist the communist soviet union

it helps them

equate

communism nazism hitler with stalin

and so forth

uh

yeah i mean um

not to pivot too hard to a completely

new question but yeah

the uh it's also alleged not just in

terms of the actions of the soviet state

but persons

that were follow fell out of favor after

the death of stalin yes under khrushchev

right uh people like lavrenti beria who

now

are known for in the west having

committed these egregious um

crimes of person right within their

capacity as an individual what do you

think about the veracity of these

various blames made about barrier that

he was i've never written a book about

barrier but

people keep asking about barrier

barrier is

slandered even more than stalin he's the

most slandered

major figure in soviet history let's say

among the communist leaders

and this starts

when he's deposed in

june 26 1953. you know

when stalin died on march 5th 1953

the uh old members

former members of the old politburo

you know the five or six guys chris jeff

molotov kaganovich

berya

before sheila

uh got together

and they

they did a number of

things first of all they

divided up

the government posts amongst themselves

to some extent

that had already been done but they gave

barrier

the

joint

ministries of the

of state security and internal affairs

so that's like the mvd and the mgb the

former nkbd had become the the mgb

and the former nkgb that is the state

security had become the

ngb so here they so this this is the

group and it included khrushchev but

it gave barrier this

extremely powerful post ahead both of

these organizations

so

you know

you could interpret that various ways

but certainly they wouldn't have done

that if they

didn't trust him in some sense

and yet in a couple of months

they

not only got rid of it

probably

killed him

although they say they didn't kill him

but they probably killed him there on

june 26 1953 because he was never seen

again

um

but they called a

central committee meeting

july you know like right away

and the whole central committee meeting

whose proceedings have been published

it was devoted to simply

attacking in the most personal and vile

insulting ways bury it

lots of people did it

barrier wasn't called forward called

forth to meet any of these accusations

uh

and then that was the whole that was the

whole central committee meeting so

so

well

so that was that was one

mystery if you like um and they accused

him of all kinds of things which can't

possibly be true

and there has never really been any

evidence that any of them are true

but

even before that

the fact that these five or six or seven

individuals i forget the exact number

got together around stalin's deathbed

and

divided up

these positions

was

uh

an abrogation and ignoring

of the

party decisions that had been made in

october 1952 at the 19th party congress

the 19th party congress had done away

with the public bureau and foreign

instituted a much larger group called

the presidium that had over 30 members

as far as we know

this group that met around stalin's

deathbed

uh

divided up these posts among themselves

never called that presidium again and

also in other ways the decisions made at

the october 1952

19th party congress the soviet union

were simply ignored

all right they were just

not spoken enough within a few months

nobody talked about it anymore these

they never appeared in the press anymore

the 19th party congress of october 1952

was basically organized around

stalin's last work which is called

economic problems of socialism of the

soviet union

it's a pretty well-known work

and that was like the theme

of

the whole 19th party congress within a

couple of months

of stalin's death

you couldn't find that book in the

soviet union anyway nobody ever talked

about it again

so

so it was like

it was it was like you might even call

it a coup d'etat by these people they

just ignored the night the 19th party

congress so something

serious and significant was going on

here

and i mentioned this a little bit in my

old article in 2005 stalin and the

struggle for democratic reform

but that

that that's a very significant issue and

of course they accused barry of all

kinds of terrible crimes and if you

be guilty of these crimes why the hell

did they appointed to this very powerful

post

uh just three months

earlier barrier also

evidently

instituted a number of reforms

which i also write about

that's widely recognized

so

so

you know

precisely why

area was

was removed from office and killed

and accused of a

large number of crimes and all kinds of

moral turpitude

has never been cleared

has never been cleared in the 1990s

right around the year 2000 let's say

there were a whole bunch of books

published about baria i tried to read

them all

in russian

they're very interesting

um

but they're all

they all basically are trying to answer

this question what the hell was going on

why did barry uh

why was barry treated this way and by

the way it wasn't just barrier his

family was hounded

his son had owned a p earned a phd

and the phd was taken away from them he

had to go back to college after some

years and earn another phd i mean it was

just horrendous what they did to parents

this is christian what they did the

barriers family

so you know

there's certainly something worth

looking into there um

and as i say

there's good evidence

uh that barrier did was not tried and

convicted in 1950 in december 1953 but

in fact killed

in june 1953.

and that occasioned

uh the creation

of a large number of phony documents i

mean there are interrogations of various

statements by barrier made in

july and august 1953 which

if he was killed in june of course he

couldn't have written

so

there's a real

a real cover-up and by the way this i

mean i mean how many states does this

kind of thing occur in you know this i

mean this nothing like this ever

happened under stalin nothing like this

ever occurred during that time

so

so that's the story with barry it's

really a

a terrible

a terrible story

and it's easy in hindsight to link that

up with

khrushchev secret speech the attacks on

stalin

and

um khrushchev's

introduction of

more market mechanisms which just became

stronger and stronger over the years and

ultimately

led to the abolition of socialism

see

um i know we didn't plan for this uh so

feel free to if you've got to be

somewhere fine but what do you think

about taking some questions from the

super chats from the audience a few of

them do you have time for that or i

absolutely i sometimes okay yeah so let

me see if uh we've got any here

briefly

thank you uh lumpia this is great

clapping clapping clapping clapping

clapping um

it's a new year

thank you townless

oh well it appears

uh if you guys want to send in questions

um

you can take a few questions uh from the

audience

is there you also have this list of

questions you sent me but i guess we've

covered most of these points

uh soviet history during the stalin

period and of course the immediately

post-solid

period immediately after his death is

really fascinating

um

right now my colleague vladimir barbarov

in moscow and i are working on

the question of the uh the death of

solomon mick hoyles do you know who he

was

he was a very he was a a well-known uh

actor and

uh director

in the jewish theater is the yiddish

language theater in the soviet union he

was given the stalin prize in 1946

and then he was killed

his body his body and the body of a

friend of his were found

on a street

in minsk on january 13th 1948 and it

appeared that he was killed and

by a hit-and-run driver

but the stories began to circulate

that

he had been killed

by the soviet state

uh

and then

then the rumor mill started and

the story now has evolved to the point

that uh

that

claims that stalin had him murdered

although no motive at all has been given

and this is another one of those cases

we're investigating this now this is

another one of those cases where

fraudulent documents fraudulent

documents have been forged

to make it look like make them look like

old documents

to support the

story that stalin had solomon mikhail's

kill and it's very clear that

that this is a

fraudulent charges that these documents

are fake but you know

nobody has said that because

in the field of soviet history the

mainstream field of soviet history salon

is a bad guy and you have to say he's a

bad guy and you can't say anything else

so if stalin is accused of a crime

uh it's considered bad form it's

considered really illegitimate

to say that he didn't commit that crime

that's what i call the anti-stalin

paradigm i use that phrase

uh which i invented some years ago

the andy stalin paradigm basically says

that

that you have to affirm if you're going

to be a historian in the field of soviet

studies at least an academic mainstream

perspective how many historians do you

think have even reviewed the primary

documents you have over your career very

bad guy and committed all kinds of

terrible crimes

and therefore if he's been accused of a

crime you really

you really shouldn't say that he didn't

do it regardless of the evidence you

just have to move on you know

and that's that's that's what rules the

field of soviet history and that's why

there's so many of these stories are

believed because people believe the

legitimate experts in the field yes

please go ahead uh we have a question

from diogenes thank you so much diogenes

how many historians do you think have

reviewed the primary documents that you

have in your career

well historians in general

like to work from primary documents what

doesn't happen is

um

historians

or rarely happens is that historians

pick

um

an alleged crime by stalin and

investigate that

okay in other words you know historians

write about all kinds of things but um

when you pick something like

when you do something like i'm

describing you pick a an alleged crime

by stone and that's what i've been doing

for the last

many years

well over 20 years now

uh

you're really

being sort of like a detective okay so

you're trying to solve the crime i mean

maybe stalin did it in which case you

look at the evidence and you conclude

that he did it but in every case that

i've examined

you look at the evidence and conclude

that stalin didn't do it

um

so

most historians do not function that way

that is they don't go out to solve a

mystery

for most historians of the soviet period

the mysteries have been solved you know

stalin killed all these people et cetera

et cetera they don't really say

why did he do it

they don't release that well he was a

paranoid he was crazy

or

he was power hungry

and wanted to kill anybody he thought

might threaten his power or something

along those lines really juvenile stuff

but this is what passes for thought yeah

among

historians in the soviet union i'm

afraid

and most historians therefore don't get

into that

they study

you know some very

specific empirical question you know

what were the uh economics of the

certain region and the country between a

certain at a certain time

um

this kind of stuff you know things that

things that are not very contra not

really controversial at all

and

they put it inside in the context

when they write up their books if they

do write a book about it they put it in

this anti-stalin context

that's that's the framework in which

they put their their empirical research

and that's what you're expected to do

but very few historians

i can't think of any right off the top

of my head

have done what i did well

there are a couple

um

there are people who

research

the

cat and massacre

and what they do is that what they've

done is just

distort the evidence

secure pretty secure in the knowledge

that the people who read their their

books are not going to go out and look

at the evidence for themselves i mean

that's what i did

but uh

so it does happen that people take on

some of these very important issues and

then try to say

and then and then

basically

lie about it

uh but for the most part most historians

don't do that

so they use the primary sources

available to write about

much safer topics and that's the way to

make a career okay in history you don't

pick big controversial issues and take a

controversial stand uh you right

you you do some primary research about

some issue that's not very controversial

and you get it published

and away you go

not the sort of thing that that people

like you and i are interested

i see and uh solaire so uh thank you so

much for the donation he's asking do you

plan on writing a book about the

gorbachev europe ever i haven't gotten

there yet but you know the gorbachev era

i mean i touch on it in lots of places

gorbachev sponsored

a

an attack on stalin that outdid

khrushchev

gorbachev was a gorbachev's man of

course garbage job was

he's a politician he's a bureaucrat he

didn't do the research

um

but he

directed it in some sense uh

gorbachev and of course khrushchev

didn't do research either uh gorbachev

was convinced

clearly

by the khrushchev era publications which

we now know were lies

we know them because

i've researched them

but he didn't know they were lies he

believed it if you're going to make a

career in the communist party you had to

be a christian of course so he was a

crucified he accepted all this stuff

and um

he sponsored

his historians uh

to use the term loosely lots of writers

and

military people and historians to write

um

lots of books and articles

slamming stalin

just like cruz chet had

done

and gorbachev was doing this for a few

years longer

he also had all kinds of uh

people

rehabilitated

had not been previously rehabilitated

and

my colleague vladimir and i have

researched

some of this

and it's very clear that i wouldn't say

that gorbachev was lying gordon john

lied but gorbachev really didn't

do all of this you know he sent people

to work doing it and they lied

they

falsified they fabricated you mentioned

the story of stalin executing wrongly

executing german communists i believe

that was one of the things you mentioned

is that right yes that's great yeah okay

well

in um

oh yeah in the british journal

historical materialism

around a year ago

nine months ago something like that

um

an article was published by a

a guy who turns out to be a

i believe a dutch social democrat

um repeating this story that you know

stalin was terrible

deported all these german communists you

know who had been tr who had trusted him

who

fled to the soviet said nazism in the

soviet union deported them to hitler

and uh

he

himself really didn't know anything

but the people that he that he quoted he

quoted some german scholars and he

quoted

marguerita buber neumann who's also

german of course um

who claimed that this had happened

and those people quoted some of some

materials produced during gorbachev's

time anyway i wrote

i wrote a response i wrote a whole

article responding to this because i

knew it was false but i never really

studied it as such

and i wrote this article responding to

this article in historical materials now

historical materialism is a journal

that purports to be marxist of course

it's published in england

but it's trotskyist

and so i really didn't think they

published my

article replying to the disproving these

charges and they didn't they sent me a

nasty look

um

but i

so i put it on my web page and a few

left-wing

journals online picked it up and it's

been republished so it's on my it's on

my web page

i could do more about it but

it's

but here's the story um

nobody has really

taken the trouble to research this

question

the german communists who were deported

to germany

after the molotov ribbon trump act

as far as we can as far as i can tell

first of all

we're all people who had been convicted

of serious crimes in the soviet union

so

they were no longer communists

that you're convicted of a serious crime

you know you expel from the communist

party

uh the second thing is uh in the very

few cases where we have any evidence

about these people

and i put that in my article which is on

my web page anybody can download it

uh

it seems like all the evidence we have

was that they were in fact guilty

but

nobody has done what really needs to be

done

which mean which is to go to russia

and

request the investigative

files of these men

they were mostly men

that can be done they have all been

rehabilitated

under they're all rehabilitated under

on a corporate job

so those files are

at least in theory available and i'm

sure that

many or most or perhaps even all of them

really are available now you'd have to

go to russia you'd have to get a hotel

room and you'd have to you'd have to

spend some time and some effort doing

this you know

uh but nobody's done that

so

the fact is that nobody's really

interested in these people i mean that's

the sad fact nobody really cares about

them if they cared about them they'd

have gone there and done this research

but i don't think they do care about

them i think that

the story that stalin

deported german communist to hitler is

such a great anti-stalin

and great anti-communist story

that you know why spoil it

why look too deep what you might find

out is that he didn't do this what you

might find out is that these people

these

people who are deported were in fact

guilty of whatever it was they were

charged with

and that would ruin the story so it's

much better to just say well

they were all

they were all innocent communists who

were idealistically

you know went to the soviet union and

the vicious stalin gave them to hitler

now there's another there's one more

thing about this

back in

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2012 i believe

it was an article published i mean maybe

he's published a book since then but at

least it was an article published

by a german social democrat an

anti-communist guy

who

took the statement by marguerita buber

neumann who's

that's where all this the story of the

deported german communists originates

from her book

and um

and did some research he didn't do the

research in the soviet union to see if

these people were guilty or not of

course he doesn't i don't know he

doesn't read russia he didn't

he didn't research them from that end he

researched them from the german end what

happened to these people

after they arrived in germany once they

were deported

he didn't question that they were all

guilty that stalin was a bad guy

whatever he didn't question that what

happened to these people

and what he found is that

they were not

mostly not persecuted by hitler at all

some of them were left completely alone

um

one or two of them ended up in jail but

according to him most of them

and that

and that there's no evidence that stalin

did this in order to curry favor with

hitler which is what margarita boobernoy

said she said this was

stalin's

gift to hitler

but this anti-communist german social

democrat

says no

i put that article online

um

and i have a link to it in my book

where the book called stalin waiting for

the truth in which i criticize

stephen cotkins

volume called

stalin

waiting for hitler

um

i just thought it was worthwhile putting

that volume online of course stephen

cotkin his book repeats this story of

stalin deporting all the poor german

communists to hitler

the article that i am referring to was

published in 2012 stephen codkin could

certainly have known about it he could

have used it maybe he didn't know about

it but if he knew about it he suppressed

it and maybe he just didn't want to look

again i tend to think that's the that's

probably what happened why

why look too closely into these alleged

crimes of stalin

because you might find that they're not

true and that's not the job of

anti-communist researchers

to find out

that that allegations against stalin are

not true their job is to

is to support those allegations

okay

i think it's important that we realize

perhaps i should have said it earlier in

this talk

that um

the field of soviet

history in in the west has always been

the handmaiden of politics that is it's

always been

basically had the job of

of finding dirt

uh any kind of negative stuff about

stalin and the soviet union in order to

support

political anti-communism

so it's not an innocent field

you know if there's any parallel at all

it would be something like um

you know historians who are

who are uh

supporters of the uh of the old

confederacy of the south in the civil

war

going off to uh to write the histories

of the civil war that certainly happened

you can imagine they have a tremendous

bias when they do that they don't come

to conclusions that make the confederacy

look bad

okay

so uh that's the kind of thing you have

in soviet history i'm not saying there

aren't any honest historians but they

tend to

to

keep their heads down

and not

not

not buck the trend

the few who have uh have suffered their

careers have suffered for it

yeah so uh thank you so much jay and

thank you so much mig they have pretty

similar questions um jay's asking what

do you think about their allegations

regarding collectivization and mig is

asking

um

where did the notion that the so-called

holladamor

or the ukrainian famine was a deliberate

attempt at genocide yes

more briefly um

the key name here is mark taugher

t-a-u-g-e-r he's a professor of history

at west virginia university

he has spent his life researching

russian and soviet agriculture including

the famines he's published

a lot of very very important extremely

well researched works

and i

rely

i have met him and talked to him

extensively

he is not a leftist of any kind

um

he is extremely objective

he's not a pro stalin person whatever

that

might mean to you

uh

his work is extremely good he's the best

i think in the world

and um

i have summarized his works

in the first two chapters of my book

blood lies

and in the first chapter of my book

stalin waiting for the truth so if you

want to get a bibliography and stuff

sort of a summary discussion of his work

i refer you to those two works first two

chapters in blood lies and the first

chapter in stalin waiting for the truth

the halatomor

the term comes the term is actually

invented in the early

50s

and it comes from

the ukrainian nationalists who sided

with the nazis

after the late 1920s the ukrainian

nationalist movement

turned towards the fascists they saw

that the fascists were the nationalists

who were going to be the most successful

in germany and italy

and they turned to

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their organizations became fascist

and

the ukrainian nationalists

uh entered the soviet union as allies

with the german

secondary allies junior allies with the

german forces in 1941 they committed

lots and lots of atrocities

they committed genocide against poles in

in

ukraine

1943-1944

some of them quite a few of them stayed

behind after

the end of world war ii and carried on a

very vicious

terrorist war in uh in ukraine

against

soviet forces killed lots of civilians

soviet soldiers

but many more of them fled to the west

where they were pampered and coddled and

promoted

by

the germans

the

canadians especially the canadians and

also by the united states

so you had

real

real big time war criminals

german

ukrainian nationalist war criminals

living

at government expense some of them at

least the top ones at government expense

and all admitted to the countries uh

uh in at least

germany

canada and united states apparently some

in australia as well

so around the early 50s

one of them invented this term the whole

autumn and it's meant to sound like

holocaust okay there's that hollow

the first two syllables holocaust

holladam or even though they don't

the words don't mean the same thing they

sound similar because the ukrainian

nationalist

fascist ukrainian nationalist

anti-communist line was

hey the soviets killed

10 million ukrainians or six or seven

million ukrainians but nobody's paying

attention to that they're only paying

attention paying attention to the six

million jews who were killed

uh

one of these groups of ukrainian fascist

immigrants in australia

in the 1980s actually published a book

called

uh why is one holocaust worth

why is one holocaust worth more than

another by which they meant

you know

the jews have convinced everybody that

that germany should uh feel bad

the holocaust should feel guilty but

nobody is

nobody is making the soviets

uh feel guilty that they committed a

holocaust against ukraine as well that's

where the tournament originates

um

and after 1991 when kenya comes a

separate country

these people

these

war criminals and their

younger cohorts by this time

uh

who had fought on the side of the nazis

and who had

celebrated

their nazi collaborators as heroes

nationalist heroes they flooded back

into ukraine and they be they came to

dominate

in

educational and cultural and historical

fields

so that ukraine in ukraine monuments to

these

uh nazi mass murderers start being built

streets start being named after them

clarks start being you know dedicated in

their honor the history books start

being rewritten and

the

myth of the holatamor becomes

required teaching in ukraine

this becomes a fact

now there's no evidence for it

i mean uh you read those

couple of chapters in my book blood lies

in the one chapter and

stalin waiting for the truth or you go

off and read

mark toger's

research which is largely available

online it may all be available online if

you google architecture you'll you'll

find it

um and i have references in my book

there's no there has never been any

evidence that this holladamor happened

there certainly was a famine but it

wasn't confined to ukraine it was

it was

all over

um

important parts of the soviet union

apparently was most severe in kazakhstan

where there weren't any ukrainians

but

the ukrainian nationalists are not

concerned about evidence so they they

have a journal called a journal of a lot

of more studies they have big there are

monuments all over ukraine there's a big

monument

on the land of the property of the

ukrainian embassy to the united states

they have a big monument to the whole

lottomore

and it sort of they would like the

halata more to become as

generally accepted

as a soviet crime as the cat in massacre

is already generally accepted as a

soviet crime the difference is that

there is this evidence

uh

that the uh of the cat in moscow there's

the german report that the nazis put out

and then there are these falsified

documents that uh

you know that were

given by gorbachev to to

uh yeltsin and that yeltsin that passed

on to the rest of the world

but in the case of the lottomore there's

no evidence whatsoever

uh

there's a guy named kochitsky who was a

ukrainian

historian of

this period in this time period

who was also

who has

lived there during soviet times i mean

he's still alive as far as i know

uh it was very anti-communist

uh and so forth and in 19 in the early

1990s he wrote a series of articles

including some in english

where he admits

that

until these ukrainian nationalists

flooded back into the country he didn't

even know there had been a philadelphia

and he was living there all the time you

know and he was writing history

but he says now he accepts that there

was a lot of more and the soviets were

trying to kill all the ukrainians and so

forth

so

uh what's happened is the ukrainian

nationalists

have made an end run around

around uh the scholarly community even

the anti-communist scholarly community

doesn't doesn't accept this um

stephen cotkin doesn't accept it uh

really really none of them accept it

uh none of the

none of the anti-communist soviet

scholars accept it

but they don't really you know that's

too bad i guess they must the ukrainian

nationalists must feel that this is too

bad but they they are interested in

aiming at a wider public they're

interested in getting into the

getting into the movies getting into the

magazines getting into the newspapers

getting into the school system stuff

like this and they can do that by

ignoring the fact that the scholars

don't believe it

so that's the story about the halal

that's how it was created there's a

reasonably good book

written about the history of this

concept unfortunately

it's in ukrainian

so it is really accessible

to

the

um

yeah i mean it's it's really all over

the media even though the scholars i

should say disagree but uh we have a

question from voidburn and he's asking

how did stalin reconcile georgian

national identity with russo soviet

patron thank you voidburn uh for that

that's your soviet what

uh with russo soviet patriotism

well you know the soviets had this line

i don't know anything specific about

georgia during this period of time if

you really wanted to study georgia you

have to learn the georgian language

which is no mean feat

um

i see

stalin

was georgian by nationality

he of course being a communist was

internationalist ideologically

but in terms of

the soviet union of course the dominant

nationality is russian

so russian became the

you know the

the the language of wider communication

everybody studied russian in all

soviet schools right if you lived in a

one of the republics or even

autonomous areas which were set aside

for certain nationalities you you went

to school in the in the language of that

nationality if you lived in ukraine you

went to school in ukrainian

if you're a ukrainian who lived in

russia however you went to school in

russia um but everybody learned russian

the theory

under the soviets was

culture should be national informed

and socialist in content

now

you know that

is that was

that was their

goal nationalist and foreign socialist

and content

and i

i think that it's fair to say

that the soviet union during at the time

of its existence was the most

successful multinational state

in the face of the world

maybe since the roman empire i mean the

roman empire was a multinational state

and everybody you know the upper classes

all learned latin

and uh there were emperors from

all kinds of other parts of the roman

empire i mean the roman

the roman empire wasn't all there was a

lot of bad things perhaps but the roman

empire was not racist

uh and the soviet union was uh

it was very much uh

like that there's a book which has its

problems i'm not recommending it as such

there's a book though it was published

about 20 years ago called the

the uh

well i'll think of it that's the

about

multi-multinationalism in the soviet

union recognizing that it was that it

was uh

that it was

a very basically very successful

um

the problem

it seems so it seems to me

is that

when you're not when you're no longer

building

socialism when you're no longer aiming

towards communism

who needs internationalism

okay if you're no longer really building

international proletarian consciousness

and

you know

have your eye on

so

you know that ideal of world communism

then

then nationalism

starts to take over starts to be starts

to predominate

and that's certainly what happened

uh in the

in the last decades of the soviet union

i'm not saying that nationalism was ever

squelched was ever completely conquered

there were always probably nationalists

now anti-communist nationalist groups

clandestinely organizing in various

places

no doubt

but

once you once you're not building

proletarian internationalism anymore i

think nationalism starts to come to the

fore and it's because of nationalism

nationalism was the form in which the

the disintegration of the soviet union

took place

okay

uh by the way under stalin and of course

later too

all of the republics

all of the

within the soviet union had their own

communist parties except russia russia

did not have

its own communist party

and uh

that would be uh

oh that that would be an interesting

thing to

to look into because clearly that had

something to do

with

not wanting

the uh

the russian communist party to

be them be a

sort of national communist party the the

the communist party the soviet union was

the unifying

force you know there's some sort of

contradiction between having national

communist parties and and

and also the communist party the soviet

union too i'm not saying that they ever

worked out these nationalist problems

completely and oh clearly they didn't

because

because of the soviet union fell apart

you had

all this resurgence of nationalism by

the way that book is called the

affirmative action empire

okay

not a bad books by a guy named terry

martin he makes some you know he's an

anti-communist of course in that field

you have to be but he makes some pretty

acute remarks and that's that's his

that's his view of the soviet union they

were really trying very hard to be

affirmative action but there's a comp

there's a contradiction there right on

the one hand affirmative action on the

other hand you call it an empire an

empire

suggests domination of one group over

others

so

but i think the soviet union was

the most successful multinational

group

uh country

uh in the world in its day certainly

while all of the nationalities and

the rest of europe and

all of the other continents are fighting

each other

to the death uh

you had a great deal of national harmony

with it

he's asking did stalin die of natural

causes or do you think there was a

possibility of foul play

yeah uh people talk about that a lot

people ask me about that sometimes

there are a lot of theories

i don't think it's a particularly

fruitful way to

approach the subject

politically

uh

i think the most

the most you could say according to the

evidence that i've looked at i haven't

done any

profound research on this question

is that it seems that stalin suffered

some sort of stroke

perhaps as early as the 1st of march

1953

and

nobody really checked on him as far as

we know

for quite a while

um

and

so medical

medical care wasn't gotten for him very

promptly

i'm not sure why that might have been

perhaps he told his guard not to bother

him he kept very strange hours

you know stalin worked at night and

slept in the daytime is this kind of

thing it's not like he had regular hours

but also

stalin was not in good physical shape

stalin worked less and less and less

after world war ii

by 1950 or 51 he was only rarely

attending

politburo meetings

i allude to that in my

my

book

stalin a christian live

we know that a stamp a rubber stamp with

stalin's signature was created

so that his signature because he was the

head of state

so his signature could be affixed to

documents

in his absence by the

people by the officials who met you know

by the politburo at least or by the

council of ministers which is the

governing

um

he uh the the journal of his

of the times that he visited that he was

in his office and who he saw

who came to see him that journal has

been published

it's

clear that he was less and less and less

active

there are some reports about his speech

to the 19th party congress in october

1952 and that's only five months before

he died right less than five months

before he died

and evidently one of the things he said

in his speech

on october 16th 1952 is

i'm old

i can't read documents anymore

i would like to resign

and there was this great outcry no no no

you can't resign

uh and

as he had done by the way he'd offered

solemn enough to resign five or six

times before that

and each time

he acquiesced to the party

leaders saying that he mustn't do that

but he was clearly in bad physical shape

i don't think it's necessary

to think that

he was

put to death murdered in any way perhaps

he did not get

swift and adequate medical care but he

was

he had a stroke

but if he had but he did have that

stroke and who's to say he would have

recovered

regardless of whatever

care he received so no i would advise

you not to waste your time speculating

on

that by the way one of the things that

cruise chips

one of the rumors that was spread during

khrushchev's time was that barrier

had stalin killed

i

i don't see that anymore yeah i recall

from khrushchev's memoirs he he said

something like as soon as stalin died

barrier like was spitting on him yeah

something like that so he clearly was

trying

yes christian's memoirs khrushchev as i

point out in that book chris jeff light

chris jeff

the fact that khrushchev said something

happened is not evidence that it

happened yeah

contradicted himself all over the place

he said

he said

different things to different people at

different times

he even said a couple of times and amy

knight in her book on barrier mentions

this kruschev even let fall a couple of

times that they they'd killed

barrier although then he retracted it

but

you know i mean you can't you can't

you can't rely on what khrushchev said

of course the west loves to rely on

chris jeff said because it feeds into

the anti-stalin

paradigm right christian hated stalin so

he blames stalin for lots and lots of

stuff

in his memoirs yeah

they're they treated with with more

they treat it as more accurate than me

yes speaking of khrushchev we have a

question from lily goldplank thank you

uh she wants to know um

there was an anti-party group that was

supposedly trying to outmaneuver

bruce chef what do you think was the

reason for their failure

the anti-party group so-called well

there's a lot of there's a lot of

writing about that and that's that's

pretty well known uh that that's the old

stalinist that's

and dimitri shapilov who was not

one of the

top party leaders but who decided that

he would

join with them

and

they

got enough votes to

kick khrushchev out of this position in

1957. oh they didn't like chris jeff's

policies i mean

i mean that's an interesting that's an

interesting question so exactly what

their motivation was but uh

they didn't like his policies

so

and they didn't like his attacks on

stalin which

they had to know

were

phony if you read the book

which is an abbreviated it's a rebreded

version of a of a longer russian book

but if you read the book called molotov

remembers

it's in english

uh you can see that molotov

really did not like

he really hated

so

there were strong feelings

and um i'm not saying molotov

but molotov everything bolt up says is

correct but certainly he hated cruz i

think cruz had hated it

uh so there's a lot of animosity um

but

they had all gone along with

killing barrier or covering up barriers

murder or deposing barrier treating

barry and his family

terribly so they were they did not have

clean hands these people however what

chris jeff did was

cruise debt was able to

clearly was well organized we don't know

enough about this nobody's investigated

this

maybe it's too late but

something should be done

clearly

there was some sort of organization

among the

party first secretaries that is the

leaders of the party all over the

country major cities

provinces all blasts and

so forth republics

had party leaders and they were all in

the central committee there must have

been some sort of

some sort of uh

communication among them some sort of

contact

because khrushchev was able to

call these people up

and then he called up marshall zhukov

martial zhukov

got the air force yukov was an air force

man but he had contacts again

and uh

fly

these

party first secretaries

to moscow for the for the meeting

so that the

so that the anti-party so-called eddy

party group is what khrushchev called

them right they were really the pro

stalin or the anti-khrushchev group uh

so that those people

could be outvoted and that's what

happened

they were all authorities and by the way

then then there was a

then there was a

central committee you know

castigating those people and and those

proceedings have been published too that

was in february 1957. so the

the the transcript of that central

committee has been published too i don't

know if it's in english it may be in

there somewhere it's in russian

that's the story with that

uh

devin

batchelor thank you so much and he wants

to know

what what is this whole thing about the

doctor's plot can you comment a little

on that oh yeah let's post more stuff um

i'm just

getting into that uh okay well but i but

i discussed this in okay i have a book

called blood lies i've referred to it

before it's a critique of

this book by timothy snyder who's this

full professor at yale who's

all over the news media

these days

but anyway

the snyder's a horrible liar

and

he wrote a book called bloodlands europe

between hitler and stalin back in 2010.

and i wrote a book pointing out that

everything he says about the soviet

union installing that book is a provable

lie

so i recommend that book

uh

and

uh

in the

last chapter or the second to last

chapter i forget which one i have a

little section on the doctor's block

so you should read that uh

um

there certainly was a conspiracy

of doctors but that was in 1948

when uh andre

andre stanoff died

there may have been something going on

in 1945 when alexander cherboco who was

another major party leader

died it seemed like they were missed

they were given

poor medical treatment

perhaps deliberately

although that was never proven but they

admitted in the case of

the doctors who mistreated him admitted

that they had mistreated him but they

said that they they had done it by

mistake

so

then there's

the arrest of a bunch of doctors in 1951

and 52

and their

imprisonment

interrogation

i have not thoroughly investigated that

uh

one of the first things barrier did

after stalin's death

was to have them all released

and he blamed it all on a

a uh

he blamed this on a

one of the higher level

members of the mgb the state security

guy named

uh ryumin

he said that ryu man was responsible and

reuben had

done this uh

he also blamed it to some extent on

ignatiev who had been the head of the

the mvd before barrier

but in any case barrier had them all

released

lana alleluia

stalin's daughter who's wrote several

books of memoirs not necessarily

all that reliable because it was many

years later

but somewhere in there she says that her

that

the maid

in her father's house at stalin's house

told her svetlana

that stalin had said to the maid

that he didn't believe those charges

against the doctors

he didn't believe them

so you know i don't know why would i i

would spit lana write that if she didn't

if

the maid hadn't told her that i mean she

she was a pretty

pretty naive person it seems judging

from those documents

uh it seems like stalin

didn't have much to do with it one more

bit one more point um

again i haven't made a special study of

this but you run across studies

the um

the editorials and pravda the editorials

in the newspapers

the articles and newspapers criticizing

and attacking the doctors for plotting

to

harm soviet leaders

stopped

on march the first

and the medvedev brothers jorez and roy

medvedev

who were

who had become anti-stalin

intellectuals

and written a bunch of books about this

period

say in one of those books

or they they hypothesize

in one of those books that the only

person powerful enough to stop those

editorials

you know on a dime so like

give the order no more of this

was stolen so it appeared to them

and they were very anti-stolen

people

it appears to them that

stalin probably

gave the order he was the head of state

to the

newspapers to stop publishing

these articles about the doctors

uh

but they were arrested they were

well they may have been mistreated i

haven't studied that

they were accused of plotting to against

the soviet leaders

you know that happened

but

hey barry

blamed

rumen

and uh gruman was eventually tried and

executed i don't know exactly what the

charges against him were because i

haven't looked into it

but that's the story that's as much as i

know about the doctor's plan but when it

comes comes to sharbakov's death in 1945

and andres donov's death in 1948

that's a different story there

alexander scherbakov had had a heart

attack

and may the ninth which was victory day

he asked his doctors if he could get out

of bed

and go into the city go into moscow

to be present when the soviet people

were celebrating the victory over the

nazis

and

according to his biographer the doctors

did not stop him

they did not object

and

of course

he did that

he felt weak he was driven back to his

house and he died it's

perfectly well known that if you have a

heart attack

absolute bed rest is is imperative

okay you can't be moving around

um

the same thing happened with with um

he was told by his doctors that

it's okay for him to go out and walk

around the garden so to speak

uh and

he had another heart attack a third

heart attack had died

the doctors suspected strongly suspected

that

the

mvd strongly suspected that they had

done this deliberately now there's a

little bit longer story which i won't go

into

but after they were cleared

they admitted

that they had mistreated him they had

treated they had given him poor

treatment but they did they said it

wasn't a conspiracy it was a mistake

and they weren't they weren't

punished for it

i mean if it had been the united states

right they had been sued right the

family would have sued them and who

knows

would have happened maybe they'd have

lost their medical licenses but none of

that happened

uh but but they said i mean i have it in

my book they reported they had agreed

that they had mistreated it they just

said it wasn't with it wasn't with

malice a forethought they weren't trying

to kill off the soviet leaders

but who knows you know

yeah um that's it's interesting uh thank

you black lennon he wants to know

that there's apparently allegedly

there's these stains of blood on

tukachevsky's confession paper can you

comment

on one write out and buy our book

we have a book called the trotsky in the

military conspiracy which came out in

2020. go get that book

and you'll read all about

tsukachevsky

and you'll read all about there's a

whole chapter on the alleged blood

states oh wow we're going to want to

give you i don't want to give it away

i don't know where can people uh go go

get the book if you don't want to buy

the book then steal it or order it for

your local library and borrow it

whatever but uh there's a whole chapter

on that i mean there's a whole yeah

there's a whole chapter on that uh

it's it there's more here than

than than than appears to be okay

where can people uh find that book to

okay well you can go to amazon.com of

course

you can write me

uh you can go to the publisher's webpage

uh erithros press

that's

and www.aerothross.com another one i

recommend to you guys is is obviously

khrushchev live right that's uh

you can go to arith every thrust press

for

all except two of my books and those two

have been published

or maybe four but anyway um

those have been published by uh

red star publishers

excellent but you can buy them all on

amazon i mean i don't

that's good yeah buy the book buy it

from buy from my publisher or buy it

from me yeah i was just asking because

amazon you know sometimes they censor um

no no they don't censor this but

amazon's good amazon i'm just talking

from my publisher's viewpoint you know

he's a small left-wing publisher

amazon takes six dollars every time you

sell a book through amazon they take six

bucks

and uh

if you buy it from the publisher

aerothose airthoughts

press media llc www.arathost.com

then my publisher gets the six dollars

and he's a small publisher he could use

it

but i got a whole chapter on that

yeah that's that's good to know and then

lysenko medical school with the five

thank you for the uh five he's asking

how do i respond to anti-communist

armenian uh uh

armenians who blame stalin for giving

armenian territory to azerbaijan oh i

don't know i i don't know anything about

that i really i really don't know i mean

the the basic problem here is the

armenians and the azerbaijan the

armenian

you asked about the georgians before

the armenians and the other by giannis

are

have been

the nationalists

yeah have been have been at each other's

throats for a very long time

uh the same thing is true with georgia

georgia was always a problem i mean

before the russian revolution

you know the the caucasus is this area

that has a lot of very small national

groups

georgia georgians are by far the largest

so that

so that within that

limited area of the caucasus the

georgians have always been trying

to you know dominate the other national

groups which are much smaller

and even after the end of the soviet

union

the state of georgia

which includes a lot of these little

national groups right i mean they can't

all have separate countries they're just

too damn small

the state of georgia wanted to make

georgia you know

the the the national language of georgia

okay

now of course under the under the soviet

union it was russia right everybody

spoke russian you spoke your own little

language whatever the hell it was you

know

small

uh

caucasian language that was spoken by

very few people and then you spoke

russian so you didn't have to learn

georgia everybody spoke in russian so

georgia

georgia nationalists wanted all of these

people to study georgia

well they didn't want to study georgian

they already knew russia and if they

wanted to study a foreign language it's

probably english

right i mean why would why

why we all do we want to learn georgia

which is horrendously difficult language

like all of those languages apparently

so

so that there's a there's been a problem

with georgian nationalism for a very

long time

and there was a problem during the

soviet period with georgia nationals and

my guess is there was a problem with

azerbaijani and um

or they say azeri and armenian

nationalism too that's my guess but i

have not done any

great study i mean let's let's remember

the whole idea here is internationalism

right yeah okay we want to promote

internationalism not national rivalry

okay

but i

any more than that i don't know anymore

so i think this is the last one um

and it's from atari thank you atari i

think uh this is probably also going to

be found in that book you recommended

but they're asking to what degree did

the internal opposition trotsky's and

over

collaborate with the external forces and

are there any ulterior motives for the

opposition other than ideology

well i have a book

i have four books on trotsky

okay you can look them up

you know they're all on

amazon they're all published by

erythros.com they're all mentioned on my

home page which anybody can find by

typing my name into google um

and i go into the evidence that we have

uh also this book on the tukhachevsky

affair which i call trotsky and the

military or we call

i have some co-authors there trotsky and

the military conspiracy there's a lot of

otrotsky there

but i also have a book

called the moscow trials as evidence

uh so the moscow trials as evidence goes

into the

evidence

uh

that you know what can

ask the question what evidence do we

have about the moscow trials other than

the transcripts in the mosque of the

moscow trials themselves

it's universally taken for granted that

all these people were framed and were

innocent but there has never been any

evidence that they were innocent

and it turns out if you look at my book

the moscow trials as evidence that

there's lots of evidence that they were

guilty even non-soviet evidence

okay evidence from outside the soviet

union they can't possibly have been

they can't possibly have been framed but

there's so much evidence now from the

former soviet archives

um

that's been published

uh where

where

suspects

name others they describe the

the conspiracies and so forth

there's

and this is can be in many cases of not

at all

can be corroborated by

by

other soviet evidence and even by

non-soviet evidence

there simply can't be any doubt that

these people were guilty

uh and

and so the claim that they were all

innocent of course this comes from

khrushchev the khrushchev period and

then later on

those who were not declaimed in it

declared innocent by in in the

khrushchev period and many many were

were proclaimed innocent in the

gorbachov period it's important to

recognize

that even western anti-communist

scholars

have

recognized

that

rehabilitation in the soviet union did

not mean you were innocent it just meant

that it was politically

considered politically

useful

for some reason or other

to declare a person rehabilitated

uh and

and

so all of these people were

rehabilitated but it didn't mean that

they were innocent and in fact we know

that all of the evidence we have

show

indicates that they were not so if you

take a look at that book of trotsky and

the military conspiracy you'll see lots

of stuff about trotsky but there's also

stuff about some of the other

conspirators

and then

my book moscow the moscow trials as

evidence and my other three

books uh on trotsky give lots and lots

and lots of evidence from the former

soviet archives these people were all

were all guilty in fact they were guilty

they committed crimes that they did not

even admit to and

and let me just say my one last point

about this

uh one of the best known the most famous

of the defendants was a guy named

nikolai bukhari

he's one of the major defendants in the

1938 moscow trial

now bukharin if you ever read the

transcript now how many people read the

transcript it's an 800 page long

transcript i guess there's very few

people read it i mean i studied it i

think almost nobody does that they have

opinions about the moscow trials they

don't study the transcripts and that's

just where to begin of course

bukharin

spent

most by far most 75 percent of his time

on the witness stand in that trial

denying

accusations that the prosecutor andre

vichinsky made against him denying

crimes that vichinsky was accusing him

of

that was most of his testimony now in

the other part of his testimony bucharan

did admit

to very serious crimes

he did not say oh i'm completely

innocent he said no i'm guilty of some

very serious crimes but i'm not guilty

of that particular crime or that

particular crime or that particular

crime

and he was very vehement now listen

if there had been any kind of threats

against his family oh you'd better

confess or harm your family or any kinds

of threats of torture if you don't

confess we're going to torture you

why would he have done that

in 1992

the

bucharan's

the the appeals of their death sentences

by bakarin and a number of other

uh

a number of the other uh

defendants who were convicted in the

three moscow trials those were published

mccarran actually wrote two

um

appeals

where he

tries to talk the process the the judges

into letting him live and

you know how useful he can be to the

soviet union et cetera et cetera if they

let him live

but he says in that

in that appeal this is an appeal to

of his death sense he says

for my crimes i should be shot 10 times

over

well

you know

you put that together all the other

evidence we have how can you say that

this guy was innocent

i don't think he was innocent

uh

we know that he did not confess

everything there's this famous letter

that he wrote to stalin

uh december the 10th 1937 when he was

still in prison it was before the trial

the trial was in march 1938.

and this was published oh this is widely

circulated

he wrote this letter to stalin and what

he says in this letter to stalin now

he'd already admitted that he was guilty

but in this letter to stalin he says he

wasn't good he's not guilty

he says i've come clean of it well he

doesn't quite say that he said i come

clean i've admitted everything

so he he doesn't actually retract

the confessions that he had made earlier

and we have those documents now too

but you know he

tries to cozy up to stalin in various

ways they had been friends

and he said of course you know i've

always been a supporter of yours i never

would do anything never plot against you

i'd never never do anything to harm you

you know we were

so close well

that's what bakarin is saying in

december the 10th 1937.

um

in 1971

the

memoirs

of a man named jules umber draws who is

a member of the common term from

switzerland he's a swiss communist he's

a member of the common term from

switzerland back in the 1920s and 30s he

was a very close friend of picard

he published these very

like 800 pages or 700 page long memoirs

he was living in switzerland he'd been

living in switzerland for many years

so the soviets weren't making you write

this

and he says in that book

i met bukharan it's not quite clear

whether it was in 1927 or 28.

and bakarin said that he and his

followers were planning to kill stalin

now this is before

you know before collectivization before

any of the

stuff starts to happen before the

five-year plans

this is very early

and

um says well i told bakara and you know

that's bad that's terrorism i don't

agree with that you have to defeat him

politically

you know assassination is not the way to

go

and this was the last time i ever spoke

to the car so he says

now

that passage from those memoirs is often

usually

ignored

but why would

umbert droves who hated stalin by the

way

why would umberto say this about

bukharin

how about he lie about why would he even

fabricate that it's just a couple of

paragraphs in this 700 page memoir

um

so i think it's true the khan was a real

snake

you know he pretended to be for stalin

he pretended to be their friend his

friend they would

i don't know he would go to stalin's for

dinner and stuff like this they would

call each other by their first names

and he was plotting to kill him

very early in the game back in the 1920s

and he didn't confess that he never

confessed to that

so you know

was bakarin guilty i mean

there's lots of evidence that the khan

was guilty he was guilty of things he

didn't convict he didn't confess to

i think that there's plenty of evidence

to show that these people were guilty

but of course

that's taboo right in the field of

soviet history you can't say that

these people are all framed that's

you have to agree to that

that's the anti-stalin paradigm

so

that's that's what we're dealing with

here we're dealing with uh

capitalist historians who

lie about the history of the soviet

union

and that's what i've been working on you

know i started with khrushchev

discovered that he lied

and then i've just taken up and

researched

gradually researching all of these

accusations against stalin

and finding out that

to this point i haven't found a single

one of them that's true

yeah well um i don't know

that's why you interviewed me right yeah

yeah and i know i said that that was the

last one there there is one more it's up

to you if you want to take it or not

it's uh

it's from chris morlak thank you it's

about um stephen kotkin he's pretty

pretty much asking you think he's like

the new robert conquest in academia and

uh

right now who do you think takes the

cake in terms of academics

uh and lies about the soviet union

well okay um

okay so stephen cotkins at princeton

full professor at princeton he's a

fellow of the hoover institution

uber institution of course is the

the largest and best funded

anti-communist

uh research institution in the world

uh

and uh he's been studying the stalin era

his whole professional life since he was

a graduate student

so

he's got this project

of writing a

three-volume

biography of stalin of which the first

two volumes have been published

he recently said that the next volume

may be published in 2024

and that's

that'd be the end so

um

volume one has its problems

but it's

but it has its good points

he's very handy communist

but you know volume one of his biography

of stalin only goes up to 1929 so how

much

the the horrible crimes that stalin is

accused of

all start with the 1930s right not with

the 1920s so

he has some

nasty things to say about stalin but

but uh on the whole it

you know

there's a lot of factual material there

too

i'm not that other people don't have it

as well but

volume two

is 1929 to 1941 and this is a real

atrocity

i wrote a book called stalin waiting for

the truth

and that's a kind of

making fun of or parodying

the title of cotkins second volume which

is stalin waiting for hitler 1929 1940

and in that book which i recommend to

you

i take every

single allegation of crime or misdeed by

stalin

and subjected to a look at the evidence

look at the evidence that cotkin

cites when he cites evidence sometimes

he doesn't bother to cite anything but

usually he cites something and look all

of that

and uh and then of course there's lots

of stuff that he doesn't cite there's

lots of other evidence

and i show that cotkin cannot come up

with a single crime or misdeed that

stalin committed

not one

every single one that he cites

is unsupported by evidence

um

so

there we are but of course the book has

gotten great so i recommend my book to

you but

the book has gotten rave reviews

of course because who's going to read

this thing it's 1100 pages long

it's got 5

295 footnotes

who's gonna

read the book and then turn around and

check the footnotes to see

if and then go read the stuff in the

footnotes to see if the footnotes

actually support the statements that

cotton made well i did that

not all five thousand just the ones

where he was documenting where he

pretended to document misstatements by

by stalin it's still an awful lot

okay and of course many many or most of

these footnotes are to russian sources

you have to be able to read russian you

have to have access to them i did all of

that

so

i can tell you style cut can lie it's

just it's just an

atrocious piece of work but of course it

won prizes and made him famous because

hey it shows what a bastard stalin was

right that's the whole point and it's

got five thousand footnotes so who's

going to question this

but if you want to know

what i think i think it proves

that

no one

none of these any communist scholars

actually has any evidence that stalin

committed any crime because if they did

kotkan would have snuffed it out he

would have he would have found it and he

would have put it in that book along

with all the other lie along with all

the lies

i'm not saying he'd left the lies out

but he would have put in one or two true

statements true accusations too right if

he'd found any real crimes he'd put that

in there too and by the way that's true

about khrushchev's speech

when i discovered

years ago now that that researcher

discovered that everything christians

have said in that speech is a lie

that implies

at least this that he wasn't able to

find any real crimes that

stalin committed or or he would have

included those right he may oh you will

throw you know we'll throw in some lies

but we'll put in the true stuff too but

he didn't do that and cotkin doesn't do

it either

he can't find any true

lies i mean

any true crimes that stop that stalin

committed so so it's all false and i

prove that in my book because nobody's

going to believe that you know first as

steven cotkin this world famous guy

does nothing but lie why should you

believe me well you're right you

shouldn't believe me you should go read

the book

and see how i

show the by evidence that there's

nothing true so i think that that's a

that's a useful book in this negative

way sort of a backhanded way right

i think that no one

knows of any real crimes that stalin

committed because

they would be in cotkins

enormous book

and

they're not there yeah i mean you know

it looks like we're looking at a

situation in the world right now where

you know a lot of these academics they

only they have this reputation and they

have this level of credibility it

doesn't actually reflect

the actual methodology and the

scientific methodology that should back

that up and i think we're entering an

era now you know with russia and china

and other world powers rising i mean

this institutional consensus i don't

think it's going to really last at least

as a universal standard anymore i think

perspectives such as yours are

increasingly becoming more welcome and

more um yeah

so they're welcome they're not really

welcome in the field of soviet history

in the in the academic field of history

okay that's pretty much buttoned down

you can't

you can't say that stalin wasn't a

monster and didn't commit what about in

like russia though there is a little

room in russia okay there are a small

number of

relatively small number of

academics in russia

who do and and non-academics too i mean

in other countries in the world

uh research and history is not

completely dominant completely

controlled by academics

yes there there certainly

are

you might call pro stalin

writers and researchers in russia and

don't forget russia the largest

political party in russia

and set aside

vladimir putin's party which he kind of

created for himself

but if you set that aside the largest

enduring political party in russia is

the communist party of the russian

federation which is the successor to the

old cpsu

i'm not saying that their politics are

particularly good but they're very large

they're very influential there are a lot

of people in it

they have a lot of seats in the douma

it makes russia very very different from

all of the other post-soviet states

which well maybe not from yellow russia

but from most of the other post-soviet

states which are dominated by

super anti-communists you know like

ukraine poland

so forth

uh so

so there's um

so there's uh and of course it was the

russians who made the russian revolution

they made their own revolution so

the uh there's a lot of nostalgia well

now among mainly older people for the

old soviet union

uh and uh

a lot of sympathy

for stalin

um

not that people

necessarily have all of that great

historical

scholarship but uh it's just

it's just um

a lot of

there's just a lot of room in russia for

uh people to write the truth i know i've

been contacted by people in russia

around the kant the captain yeah i mean

but a number of books translated into

russian and published there and it's

because

you can do that whereas

uh my book on canon that was translated

into russia and

actually was the second translation done

and it's selling very well so i'm told

my book on canon is translated into

polish

and it

it can't be sold in any polish store no

polish bookstore will carry it because

it's it's against the law in poland to

promote

communism and

the the gentleman i know who

took it around to various bookstores

there said that the booksellers would be

willing to carry it except they're

afraid they might be prosecuted by the

polish government because the polish

government might consider that to be

promoting communist propaganda you know

that the soviets didn't do it so it

can't be sold in poland

yeah i mean i can only do well in russia

there's a lot of people in russia who

never believed that this

that stalin shot all these faults

because why would he have done it but

that's not of course you can say well

why the hell would he have done it the

germans were doing this all over the

place they were slaughtering masses of

people

so that's consistent with their behavior

it's not consistent with the soviet

behavior but of course you have to go

look at the evidence and that's what i

did and if you're interested in chatting

go take a look at my book on the cat in

massacres

but yeah that's uh there's a room in

russia but outside of russia and of

course china

okay

one of my books has become kushchev live

was translated published in china

one or two more books may or may not

eventually be published there we'll have

to see

um

but outside russia

and secondarily china no

you have to be an anti-stalin

and if you're not an anti-stalin figure

then you're marginalized you know

but i mean uh

in stalin's own words you know at

paraphrasing it

he said i mean i think this was what he

said maybe it was a crypto quote or

whatever but you know after my death a

pile of rubbish will be um

piled on my grave but the winds of

history

i will eventually clear it and honestly

i really have such great admiration and

respect

for the way in which you've approached

the primary sources and you've

approached this question and without

regard for the institutional consensus

and the political biases and it's really

that you it seems to me that you've

arrived at the conclusions you have not

because of some ideological bias or

distortion of the facts but simply

because you had the courage

to point out the fact that you know

these powerful

institutional and academic forces

were lying right so you really

have my eternal gratitude for being

one of the only historians in the

english-speaking world if not the only

one

uh who's willing to actually engage this

topic uh honestly

well thank you very much and i

appreciate you inviting me on this

program and i look forward to uh

to getting the link

of the when you put it online i'd

encourage your listeners to uh

both those who are online now and

anybody who sees it in the future to

go to my webpage all of my articles are

downloadable there you can also get a

list of my books

uh and to

inform yourselves and if you wish to

email me with questions or comments uh

or criticisms

please be free to do so my email is on

my home page as well

and thank you again for inviting me

thank you so much it was really been an

honor to have you on the show today and

um

my viewers and i are are very much

grateful that you took the time out to

um thank you

to educate us and enlighten us about

this

all right so please do let me know the

link when you got it up yup i will as

soon as it's published thank you so much

all right guys

we're gonna i'm gonna think i'm gonna do

i think i'm gonna do a twitter space

just because it's early enough too but

um

quickly very quickly i'm gonna grab a

water and then we're gonna go through

some of the super chats that i was not

able to get to

apologies if i wasn't able to get to

your super chat questions and i was

trying to

first put it in order by like the amount

of the donation

so the people who donated more i wanted

to get to them first and then after that

i just kind of went chronologically so

apologies if i didn't get to your

question

i was i was trying the best i could to

squeeze

squeeze all of that in

so let me uh

play these super chats and then we're

going to do a twitter space though

definitely

thank you so much

so we got you

it's gonna get the people we did not get

um

did stalin die we got nuke

based

i'd gif it's asked already but what does

professor fur think yeah thank you dog

he did get to that in a different

question so that's why i didn't ask it

because he he talked about it with the

armenia thoughts on so-called anti-party

group and why they were unable to

armenia

thank you mj for the 20.

appreciate it

what about allegations regarding

collectivism we got to that one

grover fur you are national treasure

thank you for everything you have done

and continue to do thanks for the time

man appreciate it

what professor fur think about modern

china and dang xiaoping about soviet

union bridge yeah we just didn't have

time for that

and

we didn't have time for that question

but thank you i saw someone else comment

this ask him about it yeah we got this

one

how can we explain

we got to that one

based

how did stalin also got to that one

also i'm going to be doing the uh

umbrella for the soviet union

thanks roxaff

i'm going to be doing the uh the podcast

tonight as well but not on stream

brilliant interview can you also

recommend further readings and resources

yeah thank you so much for the donut but

i wasn't able to cover that one

where did the notion that the so-called

holodomor or ukrainian famine was

attacked get to that one

how do i respond to anti-con yeah we got

to that one

thank you for the stream and thanks for

professor thank you appearance why was

rakosovsky implicated in the military

yeah that's one we didn't we weren't

able to get to

how do you

documents are forged thanks yeah we also

didn't get to that one

because of a lack of time

thank you irish america is there any

truth to the rp accusations against

beria yeah we did get to that one thank

you for the dono not that specific

question but we got to uh

thanks a target degree

we did get to that one

in soviet philosophy in the 30s did

stalin resent the debris school at all

was mark midden's work more influenced

by stalin's personality thanks chris i

was not able to get to that one i must

have missed why was trotsky never

rehabilitated unlike others

is stephen cox in the new year yeah we

got to that one

oh yeah miakovsky i we didn't get to

yours sorry about that

did not have time

thank you david parker for that donut

yeah i appreciate the donors a lot guys

uh and then there's something i want to

tell you guys about that i didn't tell

you

i got

well i'm gonna still stream don't worry

about that but um

i took edibles last night to sleep and

i did not sleep i don't even think i

slept

at all i think i've been up i i think i

didn't even get any sleep at all

uh

it's really bad you know

you know i

yeah

i really feel really sick right now

really fucking

it's really really bad you know this

insomnia shit is and it's causing me a

lot of stress

because you know

it's causing me a lot of stress as well

because like i know i have to stream

more not less and i've streamed earlier

and you know i gotta i gotta do this

shit this is like a job you know this is

a job that i do full-time

so

i really appreciate the donors guys i

appreciate it a lot

but this insomnia shit is like the bane

of me right now like i really just

hopefully tonight i'll sleep i hope i do

i think i think i was a little stressed

because of the interview which happens

that's why i didn't sleep so hopefully

i'll sleep tonight what do you infer

think of ludo martins is putin a marxist

thanks

david

i don't know who little martin's good

stuff maybe try michael hudson next his

newest book is very relevant to your

message and he seems easy to get ahold

of thank you max yeah i'm gonna get to

michael hudson

now i don't know who ludo martin's is

but uh is putin a marxist no

although there was this article

there was this article that i did see

and it was pretty much something along

the lines of um

putin is a marxist leninist and everyone

was clowning on it because it was so

like oh

putin of course putin isn't the marxist

leninist of course putin

isn't you know

because he's a conservative and he

denounces lenin and he denounces marxism

and i have something to say about that

because

i think it's just really easy to kind of

like

oh yeah this is clearly a stupid thing

to say but

i don't i think

okay give me a sec

super fucking hot but uh

i think the people who say that kind of

missed the point of what that author was

even trying to get at because i think

the author was trying to say

that marxism leninism

is more than just an overt ideology it

also

somehow has these unconscious

implications and it has some kind of

unconscious reality as well now i know

if you're living in the west and you see

like oh putin's a marxist leninist

you're gonna think oh this is some

stupid guy who's uneducated of course

putin's not an ml because he didn't

adopt that label but i want you guys to

put this in perspective

soviet union

was a state that lasted seven

generations sorry not seven generations

70 years right

and you know people from birth

from birth are raised

not only are they raised in this

ideology

the whole of society is

being constructed

with this being the leading ideology

people's behavior patterns and thoughts

i mean do you really think marxism

leninism didn't have this like lasting

influence on how people

from there and who were born in the

soviet union think in their mentality

and their their world view even that

just disappears because they start

ditching soviet marxism leninism

overtly no i do think

that today's russian orthodox ideology

is pretty much

some kind of uh

esoteric religious form of marxism

leninism i don't think

you can't sit here and tell me that

russian orthodoxy and the ideology of

russian conservative orthodoxy today is

just a return to the czar's

bizarrest era

religion and ideology because it's like

qualitatively is not it's clearly

something completely new

which and i interpret it to be

uh and it's the church that was revived

under stalin i interpret that to be

some kind of

post marxist leninist ideology it's

replaced marxism leninism it's sublated

marxism leninism in a way it's

integrated a lot of aspects of marxism

leninism that they just take for granted

now right but those things i mean putin

himself he said you know the the code of

builders of communism it reminds me of

the bible well the reason for that is

because ludo martin's belgian communist

wrote another view of stalin which i

think is excellent putin is doing an

excellent job no yeah i'm pro putin

thank you dave parker for that five

uh yeah so like i'm trying to say here

pretty much is that

you know

i'm not really convinced

that marxism leninism just disappears

because they people are no longer

overtly identifying with it

i'm i think it has an unconscious

significance it's

it's it's a it's what i've said before

it's a um index of definite historical

experience that doesn't just go away

with

you know the statues being taken down

thanks for tristan great interview us

professor fer is one of the greatest

historians of our time you did really

good gorilla son thank you tristan now

like technically putin is not a

marxist-leninist but he's more of a

marxist leninist

than pretty much like anyone living in

the west why because he was born and

raised in the soviet union

from cradle to the grave he's going to

be ingrained with a worldview and a

mentality habits and thought patterns

that were the inheritance of soviet

marxism feminism

right now i i really just think

russian orthodox conservative ideology

has sublated and integrated and

transformed

the inner kind of spiritual essence of

soviet marxism leninism into the form of

russian orthodoxy

um

that's what i think i think

current russian orthodox conservative

ideology it's not a return to pre-soviet

religiosity it's post-soviet right

um

and it is the kind of

it's it's it's pretty much like a

decentralized marxism leninism in a way

right it's marxism leninism without the

state

without the party

it's the actual effectual and aesthetic

object of marxos leninist ideology in

its raw

kind of

it's the subjective essence if you want

to put it that way right it's that

it's the reality of marxism leninism

in so far as it can account for you know

uh

it can account for

its own contingency right it's not

institutionally

based

it's like esoteric marxism leninism

right so that's what i would call

so yeah

marxism leninism

dealing with the question of eternity

right

historical materialism would support

this view now absolutely absolutely i

mean

because the soviet state didn't just

collapse it just

soviet economy didn't just collapse

huge portions of the russian economy are

still state-owned

like in the way that the soviet union

owned them they like they just still own

those enterprises like before the

infrastructure is from the soviet era

so it's just taking a new form i don't

think people really understand the post

so post-communist

uh russia

they think russia just returned to

capitalism

it did not

uh it's a new type of

thing right

the news it didn't return to darshan

didn't return to feudalism or capitalism

it's a totally new thing right after the

soviet union

um

yeah

yeah i mean i'm gonna take this shit off

so there's some news

which is that jackson

got banned from paypal

and i'm gonna tell you who was

responsible for this paypal shutdown

you want me to tell you who's behind the

paypal shutdown because i'm going to

cover this

we're going to cover a little bit of the

news and then we're going to do our

twitter space

um that's interesting

interesting

this is really interesting

music

give me a second okay give me a damn

second

all right

just ordering a little sandwich because

i'm starving

i have not eaten

all right i ordered it anyway

so jackson got banned from paypal

and a lot of other people got banned

from paypal

and i'm gonna tell you the reason why

it's actually really disgusting

it's really disgusting why this has

happened i transferred all my money out

of paypal so i'm ready to get banned

as well now

uh so i'm fine i've transferred all the

money out of paypal

and they are not yet

coming for uh

they're not yet coming for um

you know

the banks yet so my money's still in the

bank it's not in the paypal but anyway

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piece of shit

fucking uk leftist paul mason

and just wait until i fucking show you

what this bastard's been fucking doing

behind the scenes just wait till i show

it

thank you david parker ludo martin's

another view of stalin might be worth

your time available pdf online internet

i have other questions but i'm poor

thank you david appreciate that

fuck that bastard

paul mason let me just show you what

this is when you see

when you read what he said

it you know it'll fucking

it'll boil your fucking blood how

disgusting this piece of shit is

how disgusting this piece of shit is

look at this

yep the far left rogue academics is who

i'm after there's a progression white

helmets anti-semitism was a scam and now

buca was a false flag i believe is

happening is the emergence of a left

anti-imperialist identity and the danger

is it will be attractive because the

liberalism doesn't know how to counter

it

what the fuck this guy's literally this

guy's literally a nazi this guy's

literally a fucking nazi paul fucking

mason is saying that liberalism doesn't

know how to counter the anti-imperialist

left so we need to go full as off we

need to go full neo-nazi because only

fascism can counter the bolshevist

threat it's pretty much what he's

fucking saying

liberalism doesn't know how to counter

it okay so what is going to counter it

if you're not if you're not going to

respect people's democratic liberties

and civil rights anything like that what

are you what do you really um

what are you relying on now i i think

you're gonna do the same thing they did

in ukraine with your ass off and your

censorship and your fascism and your

authoritarianism your liberal hitler

right emergency powers because

liberalism can't deal with the

bolshevist threat right look at this

scumbag

i suspect they're actually about to

launch a new party around corbin and

laura pitcock

which would make the whole thing easier

now look at this piece of shit

you want to know why i told you to press

s to spin on paul mason well here it is

i don't monitor the rogue academics much

and emma's tipped me off to their

current activities

the important political tasks is to

quarantine their soft influencers

and expose slash stigmatize the hard

ideologists

by the way this is what the

anti-infrared accounts do on twitter and

and they'd literally plan this shit they

literally plan it

we need to expose and stigmatize

the hard ideologists stigmatize the hard

ideologists now dissolve the anti-haz

campaigns that you see on the fucking

internet make some sense it's all

planned and cold and calculated and

methodical to these people right

check this out

check this out

uh paul mason emailed emil khan making

clear he's keen to help

d-platform the gray zone

he created a dynamic map of the left

pro-putin infosphere that resembled a

spider's web with a mess of arrows

linking the names of members of

parliament

he they literally made like a cia

fucking glowy map

of all the people that he's targeting

and wants to fucking d platform

this is the same shit

george orwell did by the way spit on

george orwell's fucking snitch grave as

well

you know the people in the cp usa do the

same shit as what paul mason's doing

here you know they plan and do the same

shit

only their emails were fucking exposed

right

mason suggested khan that he enlists

help of a pro traffic analyst to map how

these different echo chambers interact

where their material begins and work out

who might be pulling the strings they're

you guys they're doing this to the

infrared community too i hope you know

that

he seems certain about the dark forces

animating the gray zone bombastically

charging that its attacks on khan and

others are fed by russian and chinese

intel including hacking electronic

warfare and human intelligence

look at this look at this fucking piece

of shit bastard

i'll try to help here's a dynamic map

why a map because over time it is the

behavior the priorities and networks

that reveal the truth

i asked two people on the other side who

are concerned about this does the state

monitor encounter left this info they

said no

i sense the beginnings of it and i can

fill you in on why because that's

exactly why someone needs to do it did

you hear this

does the state monitor counter leftist

info paul fucking mason who's this

anti-capitalist leftist in the uk he

wrote that book platform capitalism or

whatever and he was a big leftist in the

uk this bastard said no this state

doesn't monitor and counter leftist info

so we need to do it and step up to the

vanguard

by the way this same thing is happening

in this country believe it or not the

fbi and this the speed maybe even the

cia they're not really targeting us

right but then the dsa

and the progressives came and they said

no we need the state to crack down on

people like haas we need them to crack

down on people like jackson who are

these dangerous anti-imperialists they

are fascists they're neo-nazis that's

what they fucking are their neo-nazi

fascist hitlerite scum they are the

vanguard of imperialism

how many fucking times do i have to tell

you leftists are the enemy people ask

why do you always attack the left why do

you always antagonize the left because

this is the left they are at the

vanguard

of countering anti-imperialism it's not

the right wing and it's not even the

fucking

it's not even the state

it's literally the progressive left it's

the progressive left the dsa

the radical left these type of people

are the ones who are at the vanguard of

trying to crack down on anti-imperialism

it's not even the right wing and it's

not even the fucking liberals it's not

even the state it's literally

progressives who are behind all of this

shit people like paul fucking mason and

if you don't know who fucking paul mason

is he's literally like i'm a marxist i'm

a libertarian socialist

capitalist that's the type of ideology

he has

and these scum

these communists

these

libertarian communists let's call them

that they're weaponizing the state and

using the authority of states

institutions and ngos

to crack down on their ideological

enemies which are tankies and stalinists

and anti-imperialists across the board

some libertarians huh

we need to understand the layered nature

of the operation

my senses pro-kremlin people do it for

belief pro-china people were do it for

money and kudos

you dumb fuck you literal dumb fuck

i can show you how i think the prc

influence network works centered on roy

singham and hey hey china hey russia can

y'all pay me

can y'all

can y'all you know pay me for what i'm

fucking doing

i don't get paid shit they don't pay me

anything they pay me nothing

they pay me nothing

i know there are some chinese

billionaires out there who have a few

million they can spare

send them over here we'll make infrared

a big nice studio

big media outfit

it's great money

it's a good good

it'd be a good way to spend the damn

money you know

because you know that would that would

you guys know how much stress it would

take off my plate if i didn't have to

like worry about money

if i if i had some oligarch or something

like billionaire or some state funding

this shit

i would not monetize anything i might

even just make free merch for everyone i

wouldn't even make the merch

cost anyway yeah i'll just fucking

spend

money on merch just give it to people

whatever

you know

but uh if if i was if i was being paid

by china or russia i mean i would have a

studio by now i would have like full

equipment and

you know the people you got to watch out

for who are getting paid

are the people who do this full-time

but don't have a lot of viewers and

don't make a lot of money those are the

people you got to watch out for and

they're all lips they're all lips

they're like the twitch politics people

and those type of people they do what i

do full-time even longer hours they

don't they get like five views

they don't

get any donations and yet they can do it

for i mean i don't even know if i could

do this shit full-time right now right

because you know i'm moving into a new

place soon like next month

and yeah i don't even know if i could do

this shit full-time right

why the fuck bruh

you

okay yeah i can do it full time okay i

can do this full time

i take back what i just said i can

definitely do this full time okay

jannar thank you

but

darth thank you for contradicting me

mid-speech

holy shit dude

holy fuck all right

all right now i look stupid but that's

okay but you get my point you get my

point but dark thank you so much man

thank you so much thank you so much bro

thank you so so much man

i mean

yeah thank you man

holy shit all right

i'm just trying to say though like it's

people like darg that keep this shit

going okay it's not a chinese oligarch

it's not the chinese billionaires it's

not

it's not poop listen putin doesn't put

food on my table

darg does you understand people like

darg are putting

people like dark are the reason i can

just do this people like

who's who's funding us

who's making has a thing why is haas

growing and

proliferating and becoming so infamous

and like becoming this big thing it's

like it's because of people like darg

dude that's pete that's why

it's people like darg okay

that's the reason i'm here if it wasn't

for that

i wouldn't be here right

the community community

wants me to keep doing this

you know

it's the community

so yeah

like damn okay

i mean

anyway as i was saying as i was trying

to say

uh let's continue reading this paul

mason shit right because this shit is

disgusting

um

gray zone is not just publishing this

info

it is doxing and exposing counter

disinfo actors

hence their attacks on valance shut the

fuck up there's been similar ops by

others against british soft power

institutions

so paul fucking mason is literally just

admitting that he's supporting the

british imperialist state

one quarter of dark

rocks off

what the hell

rock solve out here

damn okay

that's a soldier

that's a so super soldier i understand

thank you so much roxol man

should we do like

you know what we're gonna do

one moment one minute silence for dargan

rocks off

all right we're adding a minute we're

adding 30 seconds okay

we're adding 30 seconds

from anonymous this is from george soros

smiley face

bruh

what the fuck

all right we're adding another 30

seconds for johnny

it's going to be like a three hour

silent stream

adding another 30 seconds for johnny

i want to be included

bruh come you what the fuck

yo

yo what the fuck man

y'all gotta chill what's from

yo boy bird man holy shit

bruh

these are the

orvo holy y'all these are the sponsors

of the infrared stream guys

i'm not getting paid by

some state agents these

here is your chinese funding

these this is what i answered to y'all

y'all wanna blame somebody for has been

here

blame them

this is the this is the these are the

people who sponsor this paul mason you

little bitch

paul macy little bitch

see paul mason you're looking for oh

who's the wrestling agent who's the

child this is the people who are behind

infrared

paul macy little bitch

i gotta do something special i gotta do

something special

jesus christ man

jesus fucking christ

irish american

little bit late

jesus fucking cry i gotta do something

special i gotta do something special i

mean this calls this calls for some kind

of

i got to do something for y'all i got to

do something for y'all

i got to do something for

jesus fucking christ

bruh

brad

brad

brad brad brat bruh

brad

adrian johnson holy shit bro

reaper thank you so much man

holy fuck

jonathan thank you as well but jesus

christ

jesus christ

mj thank you brothers party reporting in

07.

yo i gotta do so i gotta

i gotta

i got i gotta i gotta have some kind of

celebration right i gotta do some kind

of celebration of some kind i gotta have

some kind of

celebration uh gta all right we're gonna

do gta we're doing gta

we're gonna do gta i'm gonna ask you

guys do you guys want us to do a twitter

space first and then do gta

yeah we're 100 we're doing gta 1 000

we're doing it one thousand percent

we're doing gta that's a given yeah

absolutely

we're doing g

nah brah

and lennon wrote on a golden train

chris

oh my god

yo i am fucking speechless holy shit

i'm gonna be like one of those egos that

cries on stream like bruh

jesus christ

holy fuck

chris thank you so much man holy shit

jesus christ

chris thank you so much man thank you so

much

thank you so much man holy shit i'm i'm

literally speechless i'm literally

speechless

that oh shit man thank you so much son

thank you so much guys appreciate you

all so so much

um

jesus christ i'm literally speechless

i'm literally speechless

y'all guys make sure you spend

responsibly you know don't don't spend

money you don't have or any crazy shit

like that

because we're all one the you know y'all

are the people who are

propping this up y'all are my oil

princes

you know

but

y'all are the shadowy bankers

behind this operation but

at the end of the day you know

we're all in this together you

understand

so don't don't feel pressure

thank you so much milky appreciate you

so much

and

sun seven thank you man thank you so

much emilio holy fuck bro

and

emilio thank you so much man and

you guys

we we are good all right we are

nah bruh come on

brah

yo what the fuck man yo holy shit

bruh

jesus christ

all right holy fuck bro okay okay this

is gta rp smiley face one

oh my god all right jennifer thank you

guys i don't know how i'm gonna fucking

repay you i don't know how i'm gonna

repay you for this shit all right

i feel like i gotta close them down i

gotta close down the donations because

oh my god thank

jennifer thank you so much i really feel

bad right now because i i literally

don't know how to thank you guys i

literally don't know how i mean

we're doing gta rp one thousand percent

but it's like

i don't know how to thank you guys

thank you amila so much

hand over mouth

thank you

um

yeah oh my i'm missing some of these

gifted as well thank you hello for the

20 gifted hello i'm a captain appreciate

you so much appreciate you so much

um let me ask you another question guys

i want to ask you another question

you want me to uh

here's what i can also do for gtrp i

could raid into a stream

i can make a new stream

right into it and then stream gtrp from

that one

because i don't want um

this one was like the grow referee

interview so i don't know if it would be

it would be good

to uh

to do it in this one but we we're gonna

do it like today we're doing it tonight

one thousand percent

we're doing it tonight thousand percent

thank you so much david parker

the five

i'm really speechless i'm really really

speechless we are doing 1000 we're doing

gtrp we are

um

actually

i think

i am going to do

gta rp in this stream we're just going

to keep it in one stream um

yeah we're just going to keep it in

place thank you david parker i am poor

how do marxist leninists organize in the

usa seems to me impossible

uh we

you have to join the organization that

already exists the communist party

but thank you so much guys i appreciate

every single one of these donations

y'all are sending my way

and you know

i and you know

thank you so much guys i appreciate you

so much

i really appreciate you so much

why not also upload the fur interview as

a separate video afterwards i think i am

going to do that probably going to do

that

um

or i might just keep it on this one

cheers from brazil

thank you so much man appreciate you

appreciate you

um

so i can either do it so i'm going to

continue to cover this fall mason news

guys

but i could either do a um

i could either do a twitter space

or we could just go straight to gtrp

which one you got ones if you want to go

straight to gtarp after i cover this

choose if you want me to do a twitter

space first

all right i have to do a poll well

actually it seems like everybody wants

me to do a twitter space first

actually

so yeah

we're gonna do a twitter space first

definitely but

i am really speechless guys i'm really

speechless

i

kind of feel bad because i should do way

more

than just gta rp to repay you guys for

this

um i should do way more than gta rp

um way way more than gta rp

like i should fucking

i should like eat i don't

um

you know what ace that is something i'm

gonna do i'm gonna do

i'm gonna do uh

infrared merch i'm gonna get into that

thank you so much

ace in for merch when here's what i'm

gonna do i'm gonna do infrared merch

but it's not gonna be a it's gonna be

like very small

it's basically gonna be like the cost is

gonna be the price of production like

with barely any profit

like barely any profit i'm gonna do

infrared merch

with very small profits

that's what i'm gonna do

like

i'm gonna make it as cheap as possible

for you guys

i'm going to make it the most accessible

possible

and

y'all yeah

jet and jennifer is getting like a box

for free okay so is chris chris morlock

and voidburn like holy shit y'all are

just gonna get a box of free shit right

but um

i'm gonna like make it so it's as cheap

as possible

and

thank you anonymous

guys use donation alerts too

youtube super chats takes 30 percent

that shit adds up

yeah it's up to y'all it's honestly up

to all of you

super chats are more like accessible

especially on mobile

but i appreciate thank you guys so much

i appreciate y'all so much

um so yeah we're going this is the plan

we're going to continue to cover the

paul mason shit then um because speaking

of the devil

jackson got banned from paypal i want to

remind you guys he got banned from

paypal because of this piece of shit

paul mason who's going after people

because they're anti-imperials

we're donating to pay you back for

everything you do dummy no thanks or

repayment necessary much love big man

abc holy shit

holy fuck i gotta update those alerts

because that's not epic enough that

alert is not epic enough

for that big of a donation right it's

just not

but thank you man

thank you so much

i gotta update that shit

um

but you know

we are doing that gta rp

i'm gonna sleep tonight i'm sleeping

tonight okay i'm gonna sleep like a baby

tonight all right

all right y'all

thank you so much

for those blessings let's get back into

the news and uh guys

thank you so much appreciate y'all so

much

let's get back into the news

um

yeah we gotta bring back the kadyrov

alert we're definitely bringing back

that kadyrov alert

um so this is paul mason

it makes me believe the work should be

done by white label organizations

operating with the firm infosec

signal proton mail clean clean phones

just as bellingcat get a steady st

stream of intel from western agencies i

suspect the attacks on you and others

are fed by russian and chinese intel

jesus fucking christ which will include

not just packing but electronic warfare

and humans

the fuck is human okay

what the fuck is human

uh hume

iron i don't know what the fuck that is

all right

but

yeah that's just sad

that's just sad

but um

based

thank

paul mason is pretty much admitting that

he's serving the interests of british

soft power

and british imperialism

and this guy remember he's a marxist and

he's a leftist and all this

shit he's a fucking neo-nazi hitlerite

social fascist

that's who paul mason fucking is right

now look at this shit right

i feel like there's a couple options

with these clowns

some sort of clever john oliver style

stunt that makes them a laughing stock

huh i

what does that remind you of

what does that remind you of what have

they tried to do to me on twitter

constantly you know you notice how

normies don't give a fuck about that

horrible embarrassing thing that

happened to me normies don't seem to

give a fuck about that but it seems like

it's they're really trying to astroturf

and make it seem like i'm the biggest

laughing stock ever i mean guys they do

this methodically they literally do this

shit methodically they literally plan

this shit do a clever john oliver style

stunt that makes them a laughing stock

they do they plan this shit they do it

methodically it's none of it's natural

none of it's fucking coming

in an organic way i mean look at it they

literally plan this shit in their emails

to do this shit

full nuclear legal to squeeze them

financially huh it's almost like the two

biggest things they do to me

they

make shit up on twitter or they distort

shit on twitter uh to make it seem like

i'm a ridiculous

horribly ridiculous fucking person

yeah with screenshots and whatever the

fuck else and also d platforming

financially now since they can't they

literally have nothing on jackson

all they're trying to do is blow out of

proportion some like tweet where his

parents were talking to him in a tweet

and they try to blow that out of

proportion so so much right

but that's all they really have

so what they're what they're doing now

with jackson is they're going after his

paypal squeeze them financially they're

doing it to others as well they did it

to my stream alert sir sorry not stream

alerts they did it to my stream labs uh

donations they also did it to my stream

elements donations

and this thing they literally plan this

shit and the crazy thing is this is not

a cia agent this is a fucking

progressive ideologist so you're gonna

ask me the question why i fucking hate

these people this is why they go out of

their way to plan this shit for

ideological crusade-like reasons they

are the scum of the earth they're my

enemies i pray trump gets into office

and puts them in jail

i pray trump wins in 2024 just to put

his boot on these fucking people's

throat

these fucking scumbags not even the cia

is doing this shit they're doing it for

free for ideological reasons

i'm gonna vote for trump just because of

this shit

i don't even care anymore i'm gonna

personally go to that ballot box in 2024

and i'm gonna fucking vote for trump

i'm sick of it and it's just gonna be a

spiteful vote it's gonna be a spike

based vote it's going to be a spike

written vote because whoever is the

opposite of these scum who have this

type of brain and think this way these

scum of the earth pieces of shit i'll

fucking vote for them

i don't give a fuck i'll fucking vote

for anybody who's the opposite of this

shit i don't give a fuck anymore

i'm gonna write on that ballot

trump i'm gonna x out trump and then i'm

gonna go fuck paul mason and aoc

on that ballot this is for you paul

mason and aoc

my goal in life is to make these people

suffer as much as possible and i in

whatever personal capacity i can do

voting for trump will cause a lot of

suffering to them

so that's enough for me i don't care i

just want

these this is my fucking enemy this is

my enemy okay

make them a laughingstock in a dishonest

way

thank you red ambiance

let's go

so like look at this shit look at this

the ladder but combined with relentless

d platforming justified rage

thanks molly relentless d platforming as

with paypal compendium and mint press

and a kind of permanent rebuttal

operation

can you really believe this shit can you

really fucking believe this shit

relentless d platforming with paypal

mint press compendium

squeeze them financially

and make them a laughing stock which is

something they go out of the way to do

artificially they'll they'll dishonestly

do shit to you just to artificially

project an image of you that's not even

the truth they literally just admitted

it

this is how they think

if i were to leak you every single

message i've had with my mods

with my showrunners even

we've never planned

to ruin someone's image dishonestly

we've never done that all we've done is

we've always

been doing this from a position of truth

it's always been based on truth it's

never been like oh

i'm gonna ruin jason on rouhey's

credibility no that guy did that to

himself because he's actually funny to

laugh at in a way right and i don't

really like the whole lol cow thing

and i'm not gonna call jason on rouhey a

lol cow right because i feel like that's

just like kind of dehumanizing

i just think he's a buffoon

and

he is a human being who's clearly aware

of the stupid shit that he's doing

but i don't call him like a lol cow just

because it's like it's like dehumanizing

right but it's like i'm still gonna

laugh at you dude because you're so

fucking ridiculous and you should know

better

is why if if he couldn't know better and

he was like mentally disabled then i

would think it's fucked up to laugh at

him right

but it's not this is like the path he

decided to go down it's the path he

chose

and it's fucking stupid dude it's just

fucking stupid okay

and also

like

30 of it isn't even laughing at him 30

percent of it is that we're using his

image

as an icon of tankies like he he is a

tanky lord he is a tanky lord there's

nothing we can do about that

he's a disgraced traitor betrayer thank

you lord

but he is an ancient og

and it's almost like

we use his image to fight our enemies

he's like a he's like a he's like we are

taking his power from it

it's not that he's a lol cow is that

we're taking his power from him because

he's not responsible enough to have it

anymore and he's an image of our power

now he he represents our tanky cause

we're taking it from him we're taking it

from him

we're not just gonna erase him from

history we're gonna take his own image

from him and use it we're reclaiming

jason we're reclaiming it

that's exactly what it is

we are reclaiming jason on rouhay

and if he wasn't such a fucking traitor

by the way

we would have

elevated him to the heights

of em we would have made him the emperor

of tanki's imagine if jason

started co imagine if jason collaborated

with me imagine if you worked with me

imagine if he was like on twitch and he

was on debate panels and shit and he

like started to get more costumes and

like more fucking based and shit

and like he became like this tanky

warlord

in debates

and he started to get a good camera and

get a good mic and actually like fix his

shit up

like we could have there could great

things could have happened great things

could have happened

would you forgive him

unironically yes

if he admits

that he lied about the so-called plot

against him

one this is this is my terms for jason

on rouhey's

being able to forgive him one

admit that you fucking lied that we were

plotting against you just admit that

okay two

stop calling me a fucking racist because

you disagree with me on some shit stop

calling me a fucking whatever

and if you don't have to change your

ideology but like if you could do those

two things i would forgive him honestly

god i would forgive him

yeah i would definitely forgive him if

he could just do the

mag bet never

never

because i know that's his response

i know that's what he would say i that's

why i know that's what he would say

i know that's what he would say okay

and that's

well that that's that's how it is that's

where things stand okay

he blocked me on twitter too by the way

i blocked him back

because you know i don't like people who

can hide behind blocks right but let's

continue through these emails because

it's fucking crazy right look at this

i think we need to get a few people

together who are looking and been

targeted by this and do a center of

gravity analysis who have been able to

learn about how they operate and come

with a plan that addresses their

objectives and vulnerabilities not just

their arguments

so don't just address their arguments

address

random irrelevant shit

agreed the trade of all this info is

manipulated facts like the osce reports

after sixth february in donbass however

rather than engage them toe-to-toe

creating a dynamic reference catalog

debunking all their allegations and

facts would be a worthy project

no why don't you fucking go at us

toe-to-toe you fucking pussy

a lot of what they communicate is also

verbal where they go farther than in the

written word

we need to look at this strategically

putin will lose in ukraine

okay so in private this is what they

think in private they think putin is

going to lose an ukraine in private

that's sad that's a level of delusion i

can't even like i that's a level of

delusion i cannot even

have him possessing right he will go

nuts for a while and then their tone and

stakes they're playing

will have gone more manic but where do

they go once putin backed project just

destabilize the west is defeated

okay so they're banking on okay this is

good news so these people are banking on

the idea

that it's going gonna be defeated

which spoiler it's not so when that

happens

i i guess they're they'll be powerless

they're literally just delusional and

that's good it's if they were to write

in their emails like yeah we know

putin's gonna win but we have to

continue to lie i'd be more worried

because i'd be like holy fuck you know

their commitment to dishonesty is way

bigger than i thought but it's it's

really nice to see that they're actually

like actually believe they're coping

ideology in private

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how could you be so heartless

how could you be so heartless

the night i hear him talking called a

story avatar

somewhere far along the road and on the

road

could you be so heartless

sorry

all right

um let's continue

think tanks

bbc what is also really needs is intel

service input by proxy like bellingcat

i think a brainstorm session around a

center of gravity analysis

then it is this is like they literally

think this is coming from russia

they literally think we're russian

agents

if they watch this stream alone

they would have known

where how we're getting funded it's from

the viewers themselves paul mason you

dumbass

you just can't fathom

that people could disagree with you

are you guys reading this

i just spoke to a friend at national

security council coms directorate

they have been tasked with hybrid

threats

he says a government wouldn't want to

send someone to a meeting as it could

jeopardize outcomes later

but he says a plan of action could

include a bunch of us who have been

targeted putting evidence together for

ofcom or dcms

as part of a formal complaint

which would then kick off an

investigation into gz's funding and

activities

at which point

government can get properly involved he

suggests we keep talking as things

progress

they're literally working with the

fucking government

he says we want to bring reuters

foundation and bc media action we've

also been targeted

i'm separately asking the new fcdo dis

info team

this is paul fucking mason this is

literally paul mason

good idea but what we need is intel on

who funds them and what their ultimate

does

who funds them

if if you're worried about who funds

them why did you shut down their paypal

jackson's getting funded by his fucking

audience just like me and you shut down

the ability to facilitate that so what

do you mean who funds them

what do you mean who funds them

these are people

who only get funded by institutions or

governments

to do their dirty work right

they can't fathom the idea of an actual

audience of normal people

interested in the truth

bondingness

they can task other bits of government

to get that intel and the findings will

automatically enter the system

i hear that they don't really like being

tagged as russian state-affiliated media

this is something they did to george

galloway

and kayla moppet

as it hits their reach

but i think there's potential to go

further it's too easy to

for them to flip deep platforming with

the system is scared of us we need to

look at their influence legitimacy with

audiences

you fucking slimy snake reptilian

fucking bastard

they literally know what they're doing

it's all intentional and it's all

methodical it's literally look at this

the system why wouldn't it be why are

you fucking de-platforming people if

you're not scared of them you fucking

lying fucking bastard

matter of fact i'm making a tweet

i challenge

the coward

all

racist

neo

racist

racist

hitlerite

how should i put it racist

crypto

racist uh

uk

age

agent

of uk

imperialism

do

a

live

debate

on

ukraine

and

socialism

thank you so much boyfriend holy fuck

they can't imagine that you guys are

funded by authentic communities because

they project their corruption and

underhanded slimy tactics onto you it's

the same pathology exhibited by those

who levy claims of genocide against

russia and china absolutely

absolutely facts

all facts zero zero lies all facts no

lies

that is

facts

racist agent of us imperialism

he can't fathom

prove

to

the world

you

represent

truth

since

it's

your

excuse

to d platform

others

as

this info

for

spreading

your

idiocy

your

lies represent the truth

there you go i'm going to tag him

all fat he's not always fat but he's a

fucking bastard

ace

here he is paul mason news

and watch me get ben from twitter watch

me get banned from twitter for doing

this

watch me get ben from twitter for doing

this guy's got connections

he's definitely going after my paypal

fucking coward bastard

iranian flint and colleagues shared an

idea long lines we were talking about

the other day

international information brigade

civil society with context into

government but not controlled that

government that would

with contacts into government

be a major forward leading player in the

information war be the beneficiary of

intelligence but also help guide

governments

be funded by a collective from

like-minded western countries

they're literally talking about working

with state security agencies and

intelligence agencies why do you need to

work with these agencies if you

represent the truth why do you need to

use the violent power of the state to

enforce your so-called truth you fucking

coward

fucking bastard

piece of shit

you fucking scumbag

i'm going to finish this really quick

because this is getting in the way let

me just finish it real quick

y'all wanna bite

here

open wide

all right

let's continue to read this

incriminating ass shit

the network revolves around an outlet

known as the gray zone and includes a

dozen other individuals

who use an online intimidation

bullying and harassment to promote

pro-kremlin talking points

they present themselves as journalists

when they are in fact an information

operation of a dictatorship that sees a

free press as a threat

since the invasion of ukraine this

network has swung into action behind the

kremlin's narrative about denotifying

ukraine social media platforms and

governments have identified the rt

sputnik as russian state affiliate

outlets

are taking action accordingly

gray zone has avoided oh here sorry

dear xxx we are getting in touch because

like us you have also been targeted by a

network of pro-russia trolls

so this is what these thin skinned piece

of shits do

they get all this pushback on twitter

and elsewhere so then they start going

and hiring bot farms and troll farms to

get back at it and that's why you see

these tweets against me to get like 10

000 likes 5 000 likes that's that

they're doing it because of that

they literally plan all of this shit you

have publicly engagements on issues this

is the syrian regime's use of weapons

that's the shit that they started going

after jackson for by the way when

jackson started talking about douma and

he started talking about syria and shit

that's when they started going after him

the us alt-right or covet denial chances

are you've caught their attention

uh since we have all tracked the

attention of this network we're posing a

meeting to compare notes to get a sense

of who they are targeting the methods

they're using and what options are

available to respond bruh it ain't that

fucking deep

you literally have to sk an emergency

meeting because we're making fun of you

on the internet calling you a little

dumbass bitch emergency meeting because

we called you a bitch

i don't even do this shit

even i don't do that i don't fucking

call meetings

when these people come after me i just

fucking whatever right

piece of shit fucking scumbag

no manhood

devoid of manhood devoid of manhood

devoid of manhood

devoid of manhood the void of manhood

devoid of manhood

absolutely disgusting reprehensible

repugnant piece of shit

who fucking did this

mason suggested a minor amendment to the

avoid libel risk revising the passage

referring to grazon as an in-fact

information operation of a dictatorship

he felt this should be soft into the

gray zone present themselves as

journalists when their modus operating

looks more like an information operation

yes that's better i've noticed they like

to threaten libel

you want me to send the cc to me

look who's looking really consulted you

want to know this is

so this is nina jankowicz so paul mason

was in contact with this woman

if you don't know who she is

i'm going to show you who nina is in

case you don't know who she is

this is her

this is her ready for nina

this is the person

paul mason has been in contact with

it's when a hopster takes some lies and

makes them sound precocious by saying

them in congress or a mainstream outlet

so disinformation's origins are slightly

less atrocious

it's how you hide a delighted lie it's

how you hide a little light a little eye

it's how you hide a little idol's lie

when rudy giuliani shared bad intel from

ukraine or when tick-tock influences

take over covet can cause pain they're

laundering just info and we really

should take note and not support their

lives with our wallet voice or vote oh

information wandering is really quite

ferocious it's when a huxter takes some

lies and makes them sound precocious by

saying them in congress for a mainstream

outlet so dis information's origin seems

likely less atrocious

you nasty busted bitch this is who

fucking paul mason's talking to

this is who paul mason's fucking talking

to

this is who paul mason's talking to

that's who he's talking to that's who

he's in contact with that's who he's

dealing with that's who he's working

with

that's who he's working with

on april 8th mason emailed khan to

express alarm about a

piece consortium news the independent

news platform founded by robert perry

who's behind consortium news

khan responded that he had consulted

nina jankowitz former chief of the

department of homeland security's

disinformation government board who

resigned her post in disgrace just three

weeks after being appointed due to

intense criticism of her professional

history bizarre behavior and a record of

censorous statements

according to khan

jenkins saw consortium news as a case of

useful idiots rather than funding

presumably a reference to kremlin

financial support khan was not so sure

it's listing the gap between 2005-2011

nina that disgusting disgusting piece of

shit

disgusting piece of shit

mason's descent into paranoia about the

gray zone's factual reporting may

represent the terminal stage of a career

that has taken him from the margins of

trotsky's advocacyism activism to the

molten core of the british establishment

still posing as an authentic radical

to wage war on the uk left

this is what these tropskies do though

this is all trotskyist this is what they

do they eat they make these emails and

they do this fuck shit they do this

fucking bullshit these trotskyists

that's what they do

these nasty disgusting trotskyists they

they plot and they that's all they've

ever fucking done right

that's all they've ever fucking done and

the worst part is that it's not just

them

it's not even just them right

the most disgusting part of all

once again i'm going to show you paul

mason

paul mason

paul

face

here he is

this is paul mason okay

now i'm gonna go take a paul piss okay

i'll be right back i'm gonna take a piss

and then we're gonna do our debate

imagine if this fucking coward tried to

debate me i'll fucking wipe the floor

with him in a debate

that's why he won't debate me

he's smart

i would destroy his career

all his journalism all his credibility

would be gone

he would be fucking done for

he's a coward

he's a pussy

of course he won't debate me

of course he won't debate me

and nina

nina

nina jenkowitz

nina jenkowitz was in my dms

and i blocked her

she was begging begging begging me

begging me begging me begging me

to give her the time of day

and nina jankowicz

all i could tell her is a solid no all i

could give her is a solid hell no

nina jankowicz in my dms

and if she disagrees with that is this

information she was in my dms

and um

yeah

no means no nina that's not this info

no means no you busted ass nasty ass

anyway

we're starting our space

starting our space how about we do this

space for like

how we do this space for 45 minutes to

an hour then we get into gta rp you guys

think about that huh

because i know you all want

some

some uh

some debates right you don't want that

space twitter space so we're gonna make

this space we're gonna call this space

hitler

was an anarchist

somebody can someone do that dolly

image thing because it's too much

traffic for

me it's too much traffic and for some

reason i can't use it

it's a little eyeliner

i'm going to do anarchist hitler

doll e mini

is that too much traffic

too much damn traffic

how do i get around this too too much

traffic shit

we're going to call this space

hitler was an anarchist

that's absolutely right

that's absolutely right

that's absolutely right absolutely

positively

definitely correct

anybody who wants to come and debate

it should be the easiest thing in the

world for you this should be the easiest

thing in the world

we're going to give them all a chance to

get in here and debate about it because

this should be the easiest thing in the

world

easiest thing in the world to debate

hitler was an anarchist

the only person who i'm not gonna thank

for five dollars is pony panda

because

i'm sorry i will not thank you i'm yeah

you should get a refund dude i'm not

going to thank you okay

i'm not thinking that

and i'm skipping it too

no i'm skipping that one okay

but any this should be the easiest thing

in the world if you want to debate me

about this because apparently on twitter

they're all saying oh yeah yeah hollis

is so stupid he don't know what he's

talking about okay

what should be easy for you to debate

now shouldn't it

should be easy for you to debate now

wouldn't it

how can i give you the anarchist hillary

act i'll put it in the discord that

should be easy to debate now shouldn't

it right hitler was a hundred percent an

anarchist anarchism and not nazi germany

was actually existing anarchism

fascist italy was actually existing

anarchism the only reason the spanish

fascists

and the c and t

were at odds how can i give you

anarchist hitler ai pic only reason the

cmt

fai and the anarchists were and the

fascists were at odds was because the

cnt was anti-catholic and anti-religious

the only difference between them was

religion otherwise they were the same

thing

it was just religion was dividing them

right so in spain the cnt fai those were

fascists those are fascists it was a big

mistake that the popular front ever even

worked with them tactically or

strategically they should have all been

wiped out and yeah hitler himself was an

anarchist nazi germany's most famous

anarchist society in history it's

actually existing anarchism in the real

world as nazi germany and fashion

literally i would love to hear anyone

try and push back on this

and debate it because you should be able

to debate this right

everybody was giving me shit for it so

it really shouldn't be that hard to

debate now should it shouldn't it should

be easy to debate

was an anarchist hitler was not

some you know german

uh lord of german culture and he wasn't

some fucking chief of germany he wasn't

some kind of like you know true german

leader so he was a fucking anarchist he

didn't respect the institutions

uh he didn't respect the history of the

german state he didn't respect any of

that kind of shit he was an anarchist

acted on whim

criminal lump and scum permanent

negation forever swastika goes

everywhere in all times

uh you don't see that in china you don't

see in china that they got the

everywhere at all times they got one

symbol everyone don't have that they

don't do that right

hitler was an anarchist i'd like to see

one person trying to debate me about

this

doesn't seem like anyone can because

everybody's too scared and they're too

cowardly

uh but i'd like to see just one person

hold their own in an actual debate with

me

about this topic just one just one

person go ahead and hold your own

and the baby i mean

surely it shouldn't be hard right surely

it'll be easy to do

but i mean something's telling me that

you know it's it's not going to be that

easy for you now is it now is it no i

don't think it will

i definitely don't think it will i think

it's going to be a little bit hard for

you to do would pull off

is the u.s becoming actually existing

anarchism

yeah

yeah nazi germany was actually existing

anarchism nobody will debate about it

uh and if it's so self-evident debate

debate about it see if you can hold your

own in a debate about this

if it's so self-evident that hitler was

not an anarchist you should very easily

be able to argue and persuade an

audience of that fact in your own

capacity instead of just taking it for

granted

so you should actually be able to debate

this

if hitler was not in fact an anarchist

if nazi germany was not in fact

a anarchist society

if hitler was an anarchist and so was no

marx never advocated for any of those

things you dumb fuck

give me one piece of textual evidence

that he

advocated for those things

and no it's not anarchism whatsoever

because when marx was talking about the

dissolution of the state and money and

whatever classes he's talking about a

complicated long-term historical process

proceeding from a dialectical historical

development unity of contradictions he's

not talking about things being abolished

that lead to some end goal and some

result

so you're wrong

you're wrong you're absolutely wrong

you're absolutely uh mistaken and

misguided

as to the truth

as to the truth in question

but absolutely hitler was an anarchist

uh

and not one person is willing to step up

and actually debate about this because

they're cowards and they're scared

let me change the title to be more

reflective

hitler was an anarchist

change my mind

go ahead change my mind go ahead

give it a shot give it a try

see if you can

see if you can i doubt you can i doubt

you can

i doubt you can change my mind

i doubt you could change anyone's mind

about this issue because i've pretty

much proven it that hitler was an

anarchist in a four-hour stream two days

ago but okay this person this person's

stepping up

this person's stepping up

okay

okay

okay go ahead

go ahead change my mind

go ahead and change my mind

and they ran away they run away

looks like they ran away

looks like that person decided to leave

and they got a little scared

he got a little scared and ran away

because they know they can't change my

mind they know they would not be

successful

in changing my mind on this issue they

know they would not be successful in

making the case

otherwise hitler was an anarchist

changed my mind

dr leonard g soy

dr leonard g soy

we're gonna let dr leonard g soy

explain to us

what's going on

hello do you hear me

yes i hear you doctor

hey so i'm i'm a vlog viewer i i attend

dsa meetings and i just want to say that

anarchism has a different wikipedia page

than fascism so therefore there are two

different things i win ha ha you lose i

have soy

uh sir can you clarify why having two

wikipedia pages means that they can't be

related uh i don't know i just watch

flosh and he like pulls up wikipedia all

the time and it just seems like i don't

know it just sounds like it's different

things

but don't don't uh doesn't bosh call

stalin a fascist

yeah i mean stalin is a fascist but

doesn't he have a different wikipedia

page than the fascism one

oh my god you're right i think posh

might be wrong about this

oh i gotta go talk to him

well that was okay

that was

that's an example of the people

who are giving me pushback

and this is how they hold their own

we've got cob and all he does is admit

that he's uh gay which is nothing wrong

with that but he always comes on and

confesses i want everyone to know that

this guy is uh

talks about he's going to gay bars every

day and shit and

you know i think he's going to say that

again i don't really know why we break

you he's he pretty much uses my uh

uses my twitter spaces to come out of

the closet

right

and you know that's all he really does

is come out of the closet

and you know

how many closets you got to come out

dude you know you see

what's next right

we all

are here we all respect your private

sexual life

we're not gonna make fun of you for it

we all are accepting we all are

accepting

um and we're not discriminatory okay so

you're fine dude you're fine

you don't have to keep coming out of the

closet every time i do a space okay so

the unknown soldier is going to have an

argument go ahead what's your argument

change my mind hitler was an anarchist

go ahead and change my mind sir

go ahead and unmute yourself go ahead

and unmute yourself

go ahead and unmute yourself go ahead go

ahead

should be easy

just unmute yourself

it appears we're having some technical

difficulties

uh this person seems like they'd

uh you know that

if they didn't get that hitler

microphone

you know

they must have gotten the short end of

the stick

they don't got that hitler megaphone

i'm gonna give you 15 seconds

15

14

13

well

11

10

9 8 7

6

5

what

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uh

hello

we got megatron in the building so it's

working

so go ahead and change my mind sir

i don't really know what your uh

your argument for why hitler is of

anarchist is sure so in my view

both nazism and anarchism

represent

the criminal excess of the liberal state

which accounts for its own internal

contradictions by deploying

mercenary criminal elements

to do things that are not within the

capacity but which nonetheless serve the

interests of that same

uh liberal bouzouzzi

okay but hitler was an anti-liberal

how do you square that hitler was not an

anti-liberal because

he

was the defender of liberalism in europe

but the violent republic was

the introduction of liberal democracy in

germany

you're right and out of the weimar

republic

arose the nazis who gave birth to them

yeah national socialism

which was against marxism national

socialism

democracy yeah it was an anarchic

extension of the chaos of the uh

waimaa republic and one of these you

know degenerates it all started to

degenerate in the wyman republic and the

nazis were one of them they're one of

the degenerate

psychopathic

forms of madness that that weimar

republic gave birth to was the nazis

themselves so was the spd also anarchist

though

the spd predated the weimar republic by

quite some time sure

yes but they were the social democrats

they were

very prominent in

shaping

early stages the spd employed anarchic

elements like the free cops and others

these wild thugs roaming the streets who

uh you know acted only according to

their criminal

disposition

but the spd i mean

the svd was just outright

well fascists

about the uh the communist party they

had their own little militia groups

fighting in the streets with the nazis

yeah

those were self-defensive those guys

were not

oh so they're self-defensive but

absolutely

how can you justify that

because the people who started with all

this criminal violence in an arctic

thuggery

was coming from the anti-communists

the viking league you know what the

viking league was it was a bunch of

perverts pretty much like cross-dressing

in public naked i mean they weren't

crosstalk but because of the equivalent

of doing that the rush and thrill of

running around on the street you know

it's this kind of nichian

you know perversion of just

you know being the superman and superman

that whole super soak that whole you

know what i'm saying so we're talking

about that that's what we're talking

about

okay but you can look at like the

november revolution where the uh you had

like a communist uprising in bavaria for

example

so you had many instances where the

communists were actually stirring up

violence trying to start a communist

round even if they were stirring it up

obviously obviously they were also

propped up by the soviet union

and the bolsheviks so really your your

point doesn't even stand in the end

there were anarchist factions part of

the communist party in germany so your

whole argument just there was no answer

there's no anarchist patches of the kpd

sir but the um the bavarian uprising

whatever you think was

instigating that

that bavarian uprising was as a matter

of fact from the masses

okay the masses were the ones leading

the force behind that it wasn't like uh

hitler in the nazis where you know

they're pretty much just this irrelevant

splinter group that's being either

funded by the british banks and

intelligence services or the german

industrialists and later they just get

appointed and given emergency powers

by the establishment of status quo i

mean it's not really comparable you know

pretty much the nazis listen the nazis

were just anarchists

that pretty much got chosen by the

ruling class

to be let loose on germany to have free

reign and do what they want

you know because the the the german

status quo couldn't do

what the nazis did because they were

stuck under the veneer of legality right

okay how how can you have an anarchy

with a state can you

can you explain it that's really that's

the easiest question i've ever heard you

can have an anarchy with a modern state

because a modern state can disguise a

lack of roots in actual civil society

and that lack of roots is going to

result in the state being permanently in

a state of war against the population

which in fact is a kind of state of

anarchy where you know there's no real

order of the state it's just this

arbitrary dictatorial sadistic violence

by a state that is used in a really

chaotic and whimsical way okay well

that's a very arbitrary definition of

anarchy then but even if we take that

all right what's the definition of

anarchy

it's a stateless uh society no it's not

that's not the definition of anarchy

then what's the definition the anarchy

the definition of anarchy is simply

a state of chaos that is in the absence

of an each it comes from the greek word

anarchos which is chiefless so it's in

the absence

it's not a

stateless society assuming there's

actually a society that's emerged right

as a and that society is qualitatively

stateless that's different from the

state of anarchy where society is thrown

into chaos because of the absence of the

state

it's very in the political the political

definition of anarchy like the

antarctica minister anarcho-capitalist

no it's completely different than the

anarchy to describe just other chaos and

disorders

you're messing up your definition no i'm

not because you don't you don't know the

basic history anarchist thinkers for

philosophical reasons actually

decided that this state of anarchy or

anarchy will actually represent the

emergence of a new you know free society

and that in anarchy the true order will

arise and that was their that was how

they that's what they were trying to say

but the meaning of anarchy yeah that's

the solution of the state

basically communism is a form of anarchy

you know when marx wrote about the

dissolution of the state

the nature of the dissolution of the

state in a communist society is

completely different from the so-called

abolition of the state in the

anarchistic view again anarchists

are completely the negation of the state

the absence of a state communist

dissolution of the state that stalin

pointed out only happens when the state

is fully strengthened and is

powered to the highest degree

and it thereby enters into the process

by which it dissolves by being rendered

superfluous through labor and through

the unleashing of the forces of

production that's very different from

the anarchist view which just represents

a one-sided negation that one-sided

negation being qualitatively

indistinguishable from fascism in italy

and germany because that was also a

one-sided negation of the liberal order

it sounds like you're saying it's an

inversion of anarchy

which is honestly more convincing than

just saying uh no no what it is is

anarchy at the reigns of power

okay well how is stalin any different by

with the gulags you think stalin didn't

torment his his uh his people more than

hitler hitler was focusing on outside

exterior enemies while stalin was

focused on

killing the ukrainian starving kulaks

yeah i'm glad

i'm glad you're repeating the uh

neo-nazi lies about what happened in

ukraine but anyway

yeah you're as the white lies and cope

that's being funded and propped up by

the globalists but anyway uh what we're

trying to say here

is that

stalin was different from fascism

because stalinist communism in the

soviet union state communism where you

want to call it

actually gained roots in civil society

where you know the russian peasant

became this new subject of statehood

such that it could actually reproduce

itself in the absence of the state

that's why for example

even in the absence of soviet authority

and state authority behind enemy lines

there was a huge partisan movement under

nazi occupation which in no way was the

result of coercion or a top-down process

just by its

by the working class you know if you're

talking about class warfare turning the

working class against the uh aristocrats

and middle and upper class that doesn't

sound like a coherent society that is

working uh

together well you know what happened

that's what happened during the

revolution that's not what characterizes

soul weed history in the majority that's

just the revelation but you're saying

anarchy is like the the state of

complete disorder like where the people

the state is going

against war against the people itself

yeah you know that kind of sounds like

what class warfare is turning the the

working class against the rest of the

no no population a form of class warfare

where the bourgeoisie uses the lumpin

against the working class that's exactly

what it is

that's anarchism

yeah anarchism is when the lumpin are

the hired thugs and mercenaries of the

ruling class to be unleashed on on the

working class that's what it is

okay i mean if you're gonna just use

that definition for anarchy i don't

really think this should go further it

is it is i mean it's it's lumping

criminality right it's criminal it's the

ideology of the lumpin criminals

uh you know

who just represent

the obscene obverse of the bouzoa state

when it's going mask off when it can't

actually do things up by the book and

according to the law you know what do

they do they do illegal shit and it's

anarchic right it's anarchy well well

then how come the earlier soviet union

had support from america from england

you know the uh the allies soviet union

was allied with the

so-called liberal democracies that you

like opposed so much

okay

every single country invaded the early

soviet union i don't know what you're

talking about

which functions

written all the ones you just named and

some

they invaded the soviet union

yes it was during world war ii

and during the russian civil war

the allies invaded the soviet union yes

that was

you mean after world war one during the

uh

after world war one which is why germany

also did it and axis powers also did it

as well

everyone went and invaded the soviet

union everybody

that just sounds very historically i

don't know

where is this like war maybe it's

talking about like a proxy war no they

had troops on the ground it's called it

was called the polar bear

whatever battalion that with the us

scent and then britain sent their own

i think you need to weed read more so

what was the outcome of that uh invasion

the patriotic bolsheviks

kicked the foreigners out and they beat

him out

he got beaten and then they then they

later outlawed with them

no they didn't

after that

the whole time they were plotting

against them the whole time the soviet

union tried to form a security pact

because the nazis were going you know a

little uh

they were kind of chimping out a little

bit and kind of going a little crazy

saying they're going to invade everybody

and take everybody's territory so they

tried to form a security pack with

friends in britain france and britain

said no and they said we need to help

hitler against bolshevism so chamberlain

does his thing with uh

you know appeasement for hitler because

bolshevism is a bigger threat according

to them and you know that was that so

they actually

you're missing a super important point

about the molotov ribbon trump pack you

know the soviet union

and the nazis they allied together to

invade poland to amex poland

so no that's not true there's

every aspect of that statement was wrong

the molotov ribbon trial pact was a

non-aggression pact the soviet union was

forced to have with the nazi germany

because france and britain were not

willing to enter into a security pact

with the soviets and germany made its

intentions clear that it's going to

invade poland when soviet union doesn't

have the resources or the ability to

face the nazis at the time so they have

to sign an aggression pact and tell the

germans to stay behind this one line

within the poland and did they not

invade eastern poland does that happen

no according to international law they

did not because the polish government

left first

government left first and before it set

up a government in exile that's when the

soviets went there so there was no

government of poland at the time

according to international law the

government fled

oh so then how come uh

and how come so i guess hitler invading

poland as an invasion no he did invade

poland because at the time there was no

government that housing there was at the

time of hitler's invasion of poland

there was definitely a polish government

at the time was invasion

well they invaded this uh poland around

the same time

yeah but it was weeks after the german

invasion

okay so they just let they let uh they

let the nazis chase out the government

and then they're going to go and what

did you want them to do you want them to

go and watch it did you want the soviet

union to prematurely enter the world war

and

lose is that what you wanted

what soviet union to enter the world

yeah

what should the soviet union have done

should they have

just fought the nazis when they weren't

prepared to at the time

um

i mean

i'm sure you're smarter than like the

leaders of the soviet union so they

should just have bought the nazis at the

time but you're trying to you're trying

to paint this a historical image that

soviet union was some like completely

non-aggression you know just completely

defensive it really wasn't when they're

invading

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uh poland like lobria

the baltic states

you mean nazi occupied latvia that

platform you mean the latvia that was

taken from the russians

no but you mean the latvia that was

taken after world war one until the

union was not was expansionist they

wanted to conquer

europe

proof you know citations

citations

just you can be

the invasions are part of the evidence

invading finland invading hold on dating

so the only example would be finland

poland would not be an example finland

would

and i think that's so

how would be finland

if we get the facts right an act of

defense

finland

yeah yeah

i'm glad you asked so finland's

government was a pro-nazi government at

the time they were plotting with the

nazis to use finland as a springboard

with which to invade the soviet union

meanwhile the soviets and the finns had

a non-aggression pact of their own and

they had a treaty the finns violated

this treaty by firing on the soviet

border so the soviets went in and told

the finns listen we

need

this specific slice to protect ourselves

this is a red line this endangers our

national security yada yada the finn

said no

soviets eventually got what they wanted

and it was all for purposes of

protecting itself against a nazi

invasion

by the way that was territory

about operation barbarossa that we were

presently invading them because we knew

the soviet union was gonna push west but

there was no evidence for the soviet

union pushing west

what was the evidence that hitler was

going to invade the uh or that finland

was planning to uh

there was plenty

look it up

finland was going to allow the nazis to

use finland as a springboard to launch

an attack on the soviet union

yeah after after they they tried to

invade fiddling no before

before because you don't understand

that finland took territory from russia

after world war one because it had a

revolution

they took that strategically vital

territory they robbed it then they had

their own civil war uh where the

anti-communist triumph and it was a

brutal brutally repressive

anti-communist and they took back the

sovereignty of finland who did

the uh

the forces after world war one in

finland yeah by stealing russian land

how was it stealing there was a world

war

do you think finland was at war with

russia during world war one

well to be honest i'm not completely no

i know you're not knowledgeable like the

history i know you're not you just learn

about the anti-communist talking points

that you're taught and we just told you

you're breaking your audio is breaking

up i can't really hear

yeah i'm sure you can't but uh yeah

i know i know you don't know about the

fact that finland was part of the

russian empire

i know you don't know about the fact

that finland took advantage of the

russian civil war

i know you don't know about any of those

things because you've just been taught

anti-communist propaganda

okay i mean this is just a complete

present from the original point which is

uh hidden there was an anarchist you

brought it here you're the one who

brought it here

because i was making i was making a

point about how

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yes it does it doesn't make dumb thugs

well how is it any different what's

wrong with your hypocrisy what's

hypocritical repeat that what's

hypocritical

that um

the nazis were thugs which they were but

and then saying that the soviet union

and their uh attacks against neighboring

countries and against their own

population

is not acts of god no it wasn't acts of

thuggery because the soviet state was

grounded in the broad masses unlike the

hitler wright state which was grounded

in street thugs

who gained their rep from violence and

intimidation just like mussolini's black

shirts whereas

just look at look at the october

revolution where they slaughtered the

czar

and they uh they executed the entire

romanov family versus hitler

hitler he um he got power through

becoming chancellor and then uh

consolidated

it was literally a revolution of the

russian people and presidents and

workers

uh against the status quo i don't know

what you're trying to say so so just

because you're working class means you

can just slaughter aristocrats and the

uh

like a current regime and i mean it

depends on what the aristocrats are

doing honestly

depends on what they're doing like if

they're fucking around and trying to

survive i mean i don't you know i mean

got to defend the revolution

got to defend the revolution

and that's not uh those are impacts of

thuggery just no that's self-defense

as a matter of fact that self-defense

against satanic forces corrupt satanic

uh forces

who engaged so the romanovs were satanic

yes they were yes they were the tsarina

was knee-deep into the occult she was

hurt she literally had a swastika on her

fucking book led before the nazis and

they were into all sorts of dark twisted

evil shit yes they were i'm not sure

about that but i know

murdering religious figures yeah you

want to talk about satanic why don't you

look at the uh lenin trotsky all of

these figures trotsky was a snake that

they tolerated only temporarily but you

have to understand the tsarina oh no

lemon wanted him to succeed no he didn't

have

that there's no evidence of that taken

over

there's no evidence of that sir there's

no evidence that lenin actually there's

evidence to the contrary that lenin was

fed up with trotsky's bullshit okay

anyway the tsar arena

was

being she was a student of madame

blavatsky and the theosophy she was

absolutely satanic and into all sorts of

satanic shit but why don't you address

the point about killing priests and

burning churches suppressing

christianity

i'll give you an example of the churches

i'll give you an example of the churches

that were demolished under the soviet

government there was that one church

that stalin blew up which was designed

in the 1900s

by a freemason so that was the satan he

was exercising that place it was an

unholy place satanic freemasons built it

oh that's

it was designed by a non-christian

freemason

that he blew up okay i'm pretty sure

that was not and it was it was made in

the 1800s wasn't some historical holy

site that was an exorcism

that comrade stalin did and then yeah

there were satanic forces that were

trying to infiltrate the soviet

government that were engaging in a lot

of fuckery both on the ground and at

some high levels that what do you think

the purges were for that's where the

stalin was working at on the top to

fight these people

and he opened up the orthodox church as

soon as he had the chance to

and you know he was good with the clergy

the orthodox clergy that was an act of

politics

the old russian orthodox church under

the tsar was deeply corrupt

quite potentially satanic

and it was complete after p you know it

was a fake one it was a it's part of the

orthodox history to have iconoclasms and

shit like that it's nothing new even

dugan pointed that out that was the

corrupt church that was not the real

authentic orthodox church like the one

stalin revived in world war ii was based

on the russian people and not the the

czar the westernized satanically

infiltrated czar well

i mean you know aren't you some like

patriotic socialists you know isn't

don't you want to defend the history of

like russia how does it make sense of

just completely i would want

the romanov dynasty the romanov the

complete history of russia the romanovs

were germans not russians the romanov

dynasty was a westernizing german eye

they made russia into a superpower

the romanovs made russia into a

superpower when

captain the great

learn your history

and what happened after catherine the

great what happened throughout the whole

1800s and 1900s it was a fucking debt

colony for french banks

no development how was that a fucking

superpower it was literally a backwoods

death colony of the french banks and the

globalist bankers how the fuck are you

gonna say i don't know i'm not sure

about that i think i would need to see

how it is but

yeah

yeah so

hitler was an anarchist

all right yeah well i gotta get going

but uh

all right i just think it's it's an

absurd take to this yeah well you failed

you failed to make the case that's

absurd all right we're gonna have pat on

and pat

pat is a pan-european marxist okay pat

changed my mind hitler was an anarchist

go ahead pat

go ahead and change my mind pat

well

julia yeah i agree with you

those parents and all anarchists are uh

nazis but you're a nazi too you're a

nazi judge okay why am i a nazi

uh well you see you're um

supporting the uh

the anti-human

uh white american cultural complex

that um is the same kind of complex that

the nazis supported

uh you're

you're not you're against having

americans

white americans confront their horrible

uh anti-human culture

how wait

can you repeat that i can't really what

i'm i'm doing what

uh you're supporting you're supporting

white americans to not confront their uh

anti-human culture

so what's that wait america all right

what's that how does that make me a nazi

even if it was true

because um that's what i'm gonna say

white american culture

is so decayed

i mean the trump trump voters right now

are voting bankrupt uh cancer patients

they're they're voting against taking uh

food milk from children and you're

supporting that you're you're not you're

not confronting them on their

uh just anti-human policies

and you're giving them some kind of like

nationalistic

uh veneer about it from the cope about

it and that's what the nazis so you want

me to confront all right so before we

get into the nazis you want me to

confront trump's supporters

with bad republican policies is that

what you're saying

yes

okay i do do that

no you don't you you support the culture

behind it

the problem isn't a republican party and

the problem is not trump the white

america created the republican party it

created donald trump really and you know

all right then why is the republican

party literally ruled by these ruling

class bloodlines

that have you know it's been a long time

since they've replenished themselves in

the you know ordinary people so it seems

like these are bloodlines like the bush

dynasty and others who've just been

there and they're kind of you know

they're not really representing of

course

but

it's white american culture that allows

them to exist allows them to continue

because white american culture is is

highly individualized it is highly

victim blaming it tells the poor that

their poverty is their own fault and

that they should feel bad about it and

that's why you have

coal miners in west virginia voting to

pretty much take away food from their

children and give them money that is

absolutely not why and your

characterization of

white culture as you call it is the

misleading at best so let me tell you

what the culture you're talking about

says they say um

they're saying they're individualistic

well yeah i feel like you don't

understand american culture it's not so

much that they're necessarily selflessly

individualistic as much as they are

skeptical of anyone who wants to come

and claim to be the monarch and

authority of all america so that's the

different from

individualism also this is a country of

you know people who like to do their own

thing and you know it's part of our

culture there's nothing wrong with that

then the other thing you're talking

about is that

it's victim blaming well

that's not just an american thing it's

pretty much a cultural universal that

people

no it's not it's not relevant whether

it's just american things it's not it's

not that workers are victim blamers it's

that they reject

your like welfare schemes as a

replacement

or you know good jobs and hard work

people care about hard work they don't

really like this thing where you know

we're gonna be overly socialized and you

know that's just that's like a human

thing right i don't know well no they

don't value hard work because they

support you know all the rich

billionaires who do nothing and you know

they drink all the fruits

they make the milk of the land

they only care about the they do care

about the billionaires when they engage

in corruption they do care about that

no they absolutely don't

billions of dollars they spend

supporting the republican party

all the corporate america is bankrolling

the republican party and all the rural

americans cheering

their fucking heads off about because

rural america thinks that trump is

draining the swamp

yeah because they got uh psyop by

nationalistic uh no why is that you

pedal no it's because they got psyopped

by somebody who was engaging in

anti-establishment rhetoric

um which was awesome

good rhetoric that's why i that's why we

uh are friendly with trump's image not

trump himself but just his image because

it's a good image oh yeah that's another

thing you love is you're a princess

don't you

love his like

you love his viewer princess

you love his like

his fewer prinzip

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it's the leader principle in german it's

what justified hitler

what is that what you're saying

yes

no you were princess no he doesn't have

a fury principle

yes he does they listen to literally

everything he says he is the arbiter of

truth to them

so was mom

yes but the different no and now adhere

to matt marx now was a marxist he had a

didn't well that's how people thought of

him

well i don't know what to tell you but

no marx sorry mao had a wealth of um

a scholarship behind him to justify his

actions trump does not trump goes on to

the whims what do you mean whatever

no

mao did not have the scholarship behind

him mao acted against the scholars

and he buried the scholars just like the

chinese emperors in history no he he

burned the old chinese scholars who were

you know the king dynasty and all that

but he was well behind you know european

marxist scholarship no he wasn't

yes he did that's what was that's why

no he wasn't he rejected western marxism

and he rejected soviet-style marxism

there was no precedent for mount none

that's why they called mount seiton

thought he was a new thing

no he wasn't he was he was a profound

marxist i mean

i i don't even know what to tell you i

mean he wasn't marxist but he was a

chinese marxist

he broke with uh the soviet union

because

because he thought it was engaging in

social imperialism and that has

presented

ill-equipped to deal with china's

conditions

sure but i'm telling you there's

precedent behind it he wasn't just this

this new figure who just orbited truth

based on the whims of however it will

make the bourgeoisie look good

that is what you know you you've got you

you've got both mao and trump wrong here

you know trump

he doesn't really

trump's whimsicalness comes from his

not giving a fuck kind of populist

attitude

you know that's that there's no i don't

see what the problem with that is you

just don't give a fuck just like i don't

give a fuck right the problem is that

he's he's doing it on behalf of evil

just because he's doing it in a way that

you would want somebody like

to do for you doesn't mean that he's

doing it just just because the

principles he's doing it on uh you might

okay like you know

we're going to be a dictatorship we're

not going to listen to you know

the media or whatever

you may be right

but he's better than biden

he's better than joe biden

no

biden is saving or democracy from your

fascism

you're not absolutely not biden is

creating a nazi state

no biden is is saving our democracy

our democracy emphasis and are not yours

are democracy nah by your saving shit

evil fascism how is he horrible

how is how is he doing that

uh he is he's locking up all all the

trump's minions who have their minds um

completely ruined by him he's um and

that's not he's rallied he's kind of

fascist to just lock away your political

opponents

uh you know

stalin did that

yeah it's not fascism fascism yeah but

but

at least at least officially in the

soviet state they were like we're

locking you up

because you're like actively plotting

and undermining the soviets what was

the soviet state was a proletarian

dictatorship we live in a liberal

democracy so unless fight is biden

acting on the authority of a proletarian

dictatorship no he's still acting on

before this is why i mean that you're a

nazi you're using the same

uh rhetoric that proud

uh hun used against lincoln to justify

uh support in the uh confederacy

really the same exact rhetoric what was

the anarchist did to justify supporting

the confederacy because america is a

liberal democracy and therefore we need

to support this horrible retrograde

lincoln lincoln was dealing with

traitors who seceded from the union okay

what is trump he tried to overthrow the

election trump did not

no trump didn't do any of that he didn't

secede from anything yes he did no

he literally he literally had a mob

tried to intimidate

our government into certifying him as

presidential dictator for life i think

you're over exaggerating what happened

i think that you're coping with your

nazism i think i think

i think there's even if even if that was

right i mean that's different from

formally seceding from the union there's

a big difference okay

big difference no there isn't he's

actually trying to take over all the

united states at least the eu at least

the confederates who just try to keep

their fascism in one little section

it's actually worse

yeah but do you fail to demonstrate how

lincoln's measures are comparable to

what biden's doing

by lincoln locked up everyone who tried

to uh you know

support the confederacy i mean he locked

up pretty much all of baltimore's news

press for this and trump's doing this

sorry brighton's doing even

lincoln

that was who went into our capital and

tried to destroy our democracy that was

literally a civil war

yeah what was that that was literally

attempting to

no it wasn't i disagree that i disagree

with that just because it was stupid and

it failed does that mean it was

authentic there was an intent there it

pretty much does actually it pretty much

does

no that's the most dumbest shit i've

ever seen they tried to destroy our

democracy and there's millions more of

them out there

why why why because symbolically it was

at some geographic location who gives a

fuck

because our lawmakers were in that same

geographic location and they were

chanting to hang them

it doesn't really change it doesn't

matter

it doesn't matter because it didn't

represent any actual threat

no it wasn't the intent was entirely

there it doesn't matter if it's because

aoc aoc you try to shoot somebody

aoc almost died i mean i think you need

to know he's a martyr i think you need

to know a little more about the history

of the us i mean there's been like these

riots

against the government for as as old as

speeds of course and we always brutally

put them down we always killed the

traitors no

not real actually no that's that's not

really true i mean no that is true no

it's not we shot

we shot the new york city draft riots

writers okay but

no not it wasn't legal to do that you

know and like you can't who cares it was

not

nobody was possible

when you're talking about these new

domestic terrorism laws and shit like

that's a totally new precedent

who cares

you're not gonna let judd's like you

destroy

do you want to change my mind

anyways

you are so obviously a nazi it's just

not even a joke anything all right i'm

an aussie all right well that's what you

claim

you you haven't demonstrated that in any

capacity

oh no i have you absolutely have i mean

you were uh like foaming at the mouth in

support of donald trump you would love

you wanna want him to come

back a nazi

trump is trying to

unite white american society behind a

horrible bourgeois capitalist system

that kills millions in the same way

hitler did

hey pro tip

when you accuse someone of doing

something you have to demonstrate how

it's like uniquely essential so

both biden and trump are bourgeois and

capitalist systems and white supremacist

systems so you have to you have to

actually like point out how trump's

different from the norm the difference

the difference of trump is that he is

using raw power and action to fulfill

his name like why didn't his know how

he he he sent a he sent a mob into our

capital to hang our vice president even

even if he did which he didn't

um a protest

okay then why it happened

you tell me what happened at j6

a bunch of maga people came to protest

right

even if it wasn't with his consent

it still wasn't an attempted coup the

maga people

it wasn't an attempted coup because

the these national parks wars have been

started over lesser things

no they haven't this was literally a

china japan invaded china over a broken

railway yeah this japan already had the

intention to do that this was just

something yeah but

you see the point this is a very serious

thing

no it's not it's not really serious i'm

trying to justify it it's literally

america it's not serious

it's not serious at all because that's

like a public monument and they're all

just shitting it up whatever

this would be like going to disney world

or some national park and just be like

it's not a public unit it would be like

it's literally our it's literally

congress there's only congress people in

there but that's not actually where the

power is it's just the symbol of that

power that's what you're not

understanding

the people there have their power it was

intro no it's it's the symbol of power

it's not actually where power is power

is actually like you know with the

pentagon and you know all this you're

not gonna target the american state by

just going to some like

monuments in some kind of it's not that

guy sounds like lives in chats

well regardless i mean

j6 was a coup no you weren't direct to

our democracy it was not a coup it was

not a coup okay having the intent even

if they had the intent to overthrow the

government so they didn't

that would be like saying some guy in

the middle of missouri

shitting on his front lawn as a coup

because he had the intention of

overthrowing the government by shitting

on his front lawn

now intention is not enough to establish

well i i agree that rural americans are

too retarded to orchestrate naturally

effective coup

but we need to see the intent there it

was highly destructive it was highly

destructive to america's foreign image

and yeah that's true that's the

hilarious part about it which is it

needs to be punished viciously and

completely no i mean it's america's

people if those

that's america's fault okay yeah

it is america's fault because we are not

dealt with

because america is literally becoming a

joke

yeah because coming a joke because of

people like donald trump and you who are

nazis who uh justified his horrible very

funny

yeah he's very funny but he also

bankrupts cancer patients and takes food

away from children yeah but everyone

who's rich does that who cares they all

do that yeah but the difference is the

difference is you you pull on that

little cope but the truth is that

there's a lesser of two evils no yeah

there is and trump is the lesser of them

no trump is praying he is a lesser of

two evils and it's trump he is the

lesser of two evils

trump killed one million people through

covet

one million uh biden would not have done

so most of the deaths happened after

trump left

yeah because he he fucked up the

situation so fucking bad it would not

have come endemic probably not even

outside of china

had he not been in power

what didn't trump want to shut down the

border

and they condemned him for that

yeah because it it happened far too late

all the other liberal countries did that

uh trump

peddled racism in order to justify uh

his horrible response to covet he tried

to blame our aapi communities on why um

uh kovit was spreading the united states

instead of taking effective action

against it

okay but like what does that

why how could you blame trump for covet

uh he's not shut down the borders he

you supported the people who you were

not you're not anti-anti-vax enough

you supported the people who peddled

those lies

can we get to the point here because

we're talking about nazis and it's like

what is what are you trying to say

i'm trying to say you're a nazi

why because like how does that how do

you get formative you support you

support rural american culture death

okay that is why well the connection to

nazism has still not been established

but

well nazism is

okay well you had your chance okay

now i want to bring this guy on

unhinged left

this must be good

go ahead

go ahead

speak your piece

yeah

that

they were also fans of like liberalism

but

fascism is opposed to liberalism

okay

i have a quote from mussolini himself

and it says fascism is definitely and

absolutely opposed to the doctrine

of liberalism

both in political and economic spirits

hey

i never thought of that

i i mean here i was thinking fascists

i mean i i thought they just identified

with liberalism overtly i never knew

that

you you can't actually go past the

surface of things damn i never would

have

who knew that

you just can't go past the surface in

any analysis i mean he said it it must

be true

see so my main concern is

synthetic leftists

do not read

the literature of fascist

all they pay attention to

echoes

i've i've read the literature and the

way that mussolini people like gentilly

claim to negate liberalism or overcome

liberalism is it still and it's it's

still an extension of liberalism it

doesn't actually accomplish the negation

of the negation it's still stuck within

liberalism

that's not true

there's another quote that might might

help

therefore for the fascist everything

is in the state and nothing beautiful

that's beautiful

so that alone that alone is why i'm

saying this okay when fascists say

everything is within the state

that is following a conception of

universal statehood

that is inherently and also

metaphysically liberal

now just because

in apparent contra distinction to

liberals they're saying

oh now we we want to take it to its

fullest conclusion

in contrast to liberals who kind of like

um

allowed the formality of the state to

just stay with the state and have a

conception of civil society

that's just like that's literally

liberalism overreaching and it's an

emergency mode you know that doesn't

overcome liberalism in any way the

the worship of the state in question is

the universalistic modern liberal state

okay well what i'm not understanding is

like anarchy the only requirement of

anarchy is literally

not having a state

fascism is literally

everything nothing exists without the

state that is fascism everything is

within the state that's a perfect

example of how it's anarchically an

anarchy is without the state if

everything is within the state then the

state is superfluous and therefore

there's no state

it's anarchism

okay well my main concern is nobody

wants to take the time to actually

understand

um

the real history read the literature

understand fascism whatsoever and i

think if there was a big fascist

uprising in this country it would be

more popular than uh donald trump so i

think people need to i think

i think the fascist uprising has already

happened it's called jazz

it's in portland oregon

and it also happens every time antifa

goes to takes to the streets and it's

just not popular

so yeah

when you

were you just referring to individualist

anarchists because i i think i heard

like max sterner get brought up no also

the also the social ones like

rudon whatever the fuck you pronounce

him so like the

anarcho like communist do you think that

as well yeah they're the same thing yeah

because i see like they're almost like

opposites in a way

no i think they're the same from what i

got from sterner is it's kind of like

i'll only a tribute to this collective

yeah bye

go ahead

go ahead and speak

nazis weren't were anarchists correct

absolutely

didn't they have one of the strongest

states in existence the most

overtly um arbitrary no they had a very

weak state

seems pretty strong to me

why

because they had complete um

overt say on um

everything

in german society

they had they had every in complete say

which is why they pretty much preserved

bourgeois german society and just added

i agree with that they just added

that they just preserved the society

that already exists and just threw on

some swastikas to it

i mean it was a dick it was the

dictation of the bourgeois it was a new

obviously it was new um aesthetics

that's a good that's a good place to

start so dictatorship of the bourgeois

so yeah what's different about the

dictatorship of the bourgeois under the

nazis compared to

let's say the weimar republic

uh there was this uh strange occult

bullshit i guess this what

strange occult bullshit

what else

um

racial shit i guess what else

um

what about legal anti-semitism what

about the legal sorry say that again

what about the legal form

legal form the nazis had lost in fact

i'm pretty sure they simply inherited

the by my republic's constitution

correct or yeah

so the nazis had laws true

what were

how was hitler appointed according to

what act

it was a official act in the um

reichstag at the time um yeah uh

i don't remember these specifically

given to hitler

yeah

um yeah the uh the people in the

reichstag yeah but what were the powers

called that were given to hitler

um

he was awarded both the presidency and

the ch and the um chancellor

was he awarded with that allowed him to

become a dictator

um

unilateral power uh you tell me so it's

emergency power okay yes okay okay so

what's an emergency

um an emergency is when the state is

under threat

yeah what else what else is it

um

when the when the government is under

threat um

isn't it also an exception

state of exception

yeah okay so it's a state of exception

and it's also

when the state faces a threat

so a state that is under the state of

emergency what's another word for that

uh

yeah yeah i i understand your point yeah

okay um

so just because they used these

emergency

powers the emergency powers never went

away

okay and does that not then become the

new law

no at no point does it actually concrete

into a definite

and real concrete law of civil society

that can be reproduced independently of

the state

it remains a state of chaos and

emergency forever

i guess that's why that's why hitler

what did hitler have to do what did the

german

nazis have to do did they like actually

create some order within germany

i mean they um they sent their um

their thugs onto the streets yeah that

that's that order considered a police so

when antifa goes to the streets

what is that anarchy

where's that order i would agree i uh i

specifically i don't like antifa but i

don't think they are anywhere near nazis

no i know but i'm just saying in general

just because you're

enforcing shit on the street doesn't

mean it's not anarchy right it's not

it's a little more

sorry so the german state the nazi party

at least

had to lead germany into a what a war

what else what's another word for a war

um and the chaos it brings what else

would you call that

when you call that a kind of state of

anarchy

yeah i mean

wars happen all the time

it doesn't always become anarchy if the

nazis needed war it kind of sounds like

they had an order that

so-called order that thrived on constant

emergencies and

constant

turmoil and war and it seems like they

couldn't just settle down and actually

have a real order of any kind

yeah i agree but that's because they

refuse to do a land reform they they

could have that's been my argument

in the past yeah they could have just uh

you know given that given like a proper

land to the uh german peasants and

actually followed through but they they

did it into the east instead because

they didn't want to upset established

interests in the bourgeoisie

what about the nazi state did that come

from any um

did that come from any real president of

german statehood or was it kind of this

totally arbitrary thing

i'd say they they um i mean they drew

from they created their own history a

little bit with this occult shit but

like they tried they they i mean

although if it wasn't the case why would

the um germans ever accept them if they

didn't take historical president from

the weimar republic and the germans of

the past they justified it as a state of

exception this is an emergency and you

have to do this or we're all going to

hell and it's all going to be chaos and

the bolshevism

and whatever

and you know

um

i mean

not nazi shit became pretty normal um by

a world by the start of the war it

became like very ingrained and it became

part of the culture in germany it felt

like that i feel like there needs to be

some continuation there for people to

accept that i don't think so i think it

was still the weimar germany there was a

lot of continuity from walmart germany

but now

you have these anarchist thugs in power

and don't don't uh go against the killer

clowns and you'll be fine

but there's still all these killer

clowns everywhere and there's the circus

tents everywhere these swastikas

and the killer clowns are in control

just don't bother them and you know

bozo the clown isn't gonna come and pop

your balloon

and you'll be fine okay but it's still

this rule of killer clowns

um

that's interesting that's that's

actually quite funny um

yeah uh okay um i'll have to think about

that a bit more there's one other thing

i wanted to ask kind of related um so

all of this occult stuff and the stuff

that he talks about the romanovs and

stuff before that and i noticed you

talking about um

like satanism previously

um

how much do you believe that shit

uh do i exist or do i believe they

believe yeah do you believe in like

actual satanic forces and shit like that

because i've heard you talk about that

before

um

do i believe in metaphysical evil

pretty much

um

i don't know i think i believe in

i think there's

i think evil is a type of confusion

and it's a type of madness and psychosis

is more tragical than anything else and

so i think

i do in this sense there is metaphysical

evil which is pretty much just

you know straying away from the object

basically the way i put it poetically is

it it kind of it's it's pretty simple

actually it's kind of like

in our head it's really horrific and

satanic and shit but then you zoom out

it's just you're killing them right it's

like you know

it's like that movie firewalk with me

it's like it all ends with laura palmer

getting killed she went through all that

torture and torment

because it's they're trying to kill her

life essence they're trying to actually

kill her life force and they did right

it became something complicated and

scary

to something pretty simple right just

death

so i think these these are anti-human

anti-life people that they want to

they'll lead to the extinction of

humankind right if they get their way

if they get their way they're going to

lead to the extinction of humankind yeah

i think so i think they're going to kill

that spark within us that allows us

to have possibilities where there

otherwise would be none they're trying

to extinguish

our ability to uh

rise above that's what i think

i think the human spark is pretty

replicable like even if you kill it in

100 of the population it'll come back

well it's good optimism but you know

okay well uh thank you for your time

that's all i wanted to say yep no

problem

bye-bye

so

this guy rod

has got

yeah i'm not gonna let this guy on he's

got no profile picture

i do not trust that i don't trust that a

bit not even a little bit

and

you know it's been it's been a beautiful

space and i think we're gonna wrap up

the space

and we're gonna get into our grand theft

auto

roll

play

[Music]

um

and his name is john cena

[Music]

let's do this

so this is called gta rp

and let me um

get that 5m

we're going to do this guys

is it lit so i don't know should we make

a new character or should we continue

with zielinski obama

should we make uh a new guy or should

i kind of would be sad if zelensky obama

came back wouldn't you

i think we should make a new character

i think we should make a new guy

so

we're gonna play

and i think

we're gonna do this one

thank you emirio double dono

thank you emirio i think this is the one

that we're going to

and then i'm going to have to mute the

sup music in the intro right i mean the

loading screen

but

uh

i'm gonna do

darth

i know i know exactly what i'm gonna do

actually i don't

thank you emirio

thank you man

thank you so much man

appreciate it

appreciate it so much

um this is gonna be fun

all right this is gonna be fun

i am gonna promise you guys some fun

okay

gonna call maoist

rebels i still laugh in the uh

the caleb jason debate

where caleb's like well i put maoist

right because he put jason quote

he maoist

out

on rouhey

and caleb's like well i put

maui's rebel because i thought that's

what you went by i did not mean any

disrespect it sounds so fucking stupid

and he got so mad he's like do you know

what you're doing

i do not go by maoist rebel

it's just maoist rebel news

change it to sami rebel

list

mao is trouble

hey

i like i was like yeah

here's here's what i need jason to do

for me to forgive him and then

someone just goes they put the emote

they go

[Laughter]

never never

it's so perfect

it's so fucking perfect

thank you jennar

never

[Laughter]

if you guys don't know this shit is

loading right now

so that's why this is um

put a game capture

capture games and apps

okay

capture game

thank you jennar

um we're gonna put that where here

should we keep the chat no we're gonna

get rid of the chat

and then i'm just gonna have this camera

be

on how about how about we put it here

right

here

no

here

wait

oh

all i have to do is this

no way

that stays

this

there we go

and we're gonna take the logo

we're gonna take the chat

perfect

oh shit it's still loading okay

we'll just have it like this

thank you america for the 20 appreciate

it man

thank you so much

are you going to upload the grower for

body yeah i probably will have to make a

separate

um

i don't know i might not i might not

upload it i don't know i might just keep

the stream

i might just keep the stream

um

this reminds me of the good old days of

twitch where i like stream for like five

six hours

you guys want me to start streaming for

like five six hours again

or would you rather have them like more

jam-packed and shorter

you guys want me to start streaming like

uh long

hours

you guys missed the long hours

yeah they i kind of miss them too

not gonna lie i kind of miss them too

yeah i might start doing them longer

might start just doing them longer this

shit is loading still

so that's why

what do you want to debate about dude

put it in what you want to debate about

the anarchist hitler ai pics are

actually like art this is actually

artistic

it's actually fucking crazy

i'm saving all of them and then i'm

deleting them

because these are no-no's

this is so fucking cool though look at

this

that's fucking based

look how fucking bass this is

oh you can't see it all right

there's some really based punish joe sim

shit in original content it's so cool

super based

guys i've been kind of wanting to watch

david lynch's dune again

i'm still loading still loading still

loading still loading

they say the ocean's rising like i give

a shit

they say the ocean's rising like i give

a

no

david lynch's dune is fucking based it's

better than the new dune sucks okay

david lynch is doing his way better the

new dune is british

it's not american david lynch's one is

america okay

okay they've updated this a lot

do i turn off the music

i can't

i hope this is the right one i don't

even know if it is

i think this is the right one

i literally used all my characters

this is the last one we have guys all

right well who are we gonna make who we

gonna make

all right

this is gonna be hard um

amber

amber depth

zelinski

this is by

the lens what's another like famous

celebrity in the news

what's like a favorite famous thing in

the news going on

that people are talking about right now

jada

swedish

[Music]

paul mason um

swedish

sweetness zelensky amber depp

on rouhey

um

all right

no wait we're gonna do jason zielenski

amber depp unruh

all right month

uh

69 0

6

09

1986

that's like when jason was born right

all right confirm

yes

confirm

come on man can it work here we go

no why did it work okay confirm confirm

confirm data

all right

all right this is a problem okay this is

a problem

this is a problem

you know what i think this is it

america

ukraine

there you go

it has to be a real country right no is

that it

america

maybe the problem

is the name

yeah it was the name

i knew his name

it's the newest iteration of zielinski

right and then

okay this is there you go

how do we do this

how do i do this

i i don't know the controls anymore

forgot the controls fuck

i forgot the controls okay this is tough

do i press to get the mouse

three

what's the mouse button

all this okay

hats

damn there's

options all right

all right

pedestrian

no i don't want a fucking hat

just give me a fucking

what is this

why do they have a mask

how do i get rid of the mask

all right reset

okay

all right

we're gonna make this character now okay

uh

there we go

thank you alan

thank you so much leave

pillbox premises or catch a one-day ban

in 30 seconds

is that me they're not talking to me are

they

they better not be talking to me

how long was the ban they said they're

gonna give me what

is that where i am

they're not talking to me

leave pillbox fresh who is pillbox

oh it's not me

so that's a pretty long 30 seconds there

should i just be this guy

no i'm gonna

there's nothing better than the fat guy

nothing will be better than the fat guy

nothing

we're i think we're getting close

we're getting close

uh we are getting very close okay

we're getting close okay

yeah we're gonna start with this okay

oh let me see this face

this is an interesting face

it's a little old

what do you guys think it's a little old

i kind of like this

i kind of like this

let's see what we can do with this one i

like i kind of like this one

let's get let's get spice it up a little

bit right

uh

hats let's get hair first

actually the the shirt is definitely

gonna have to change right this is like

arms

it's too like working class you know it

looks too normal yeah this is no good

this is no good we're not gonna work

with this

this this one might work though

yo this one might work

this one might just work

okay

hey

i don't know what you're doing over

there

i don't really think i approve of it

no i don't think i'm gonna go anywhere

what are you talking about

i like this i like this

i like this

all right we're keeping this

and then close

now there's not really anything here

this is nice okay this is nice

hair we're gonna have to work on this

hair

there's nothing we do about the hair

that's fine

i'm gonna have him have a hat

no hat

come on anything

now that the hat is just not funny you

know

but i really like this

yeah i think we're going with this

this is the best one

this is easily the best one

um yeah this is the one

this is the one we're gonna do with

oh my god thank you man

just wanted to say you've opened my mind

to some ideas that i probably would have

outright rejected before and made me

reflect on some previous notions slash

beliefs appreciate any knowledge you

share you're sharp dude thank you happy

man thank you happy go lucky appreciate

you man appreciate you a lot

uh

undershirts all right we got that and

then pants

it kind of it's kind of this one's the

this one's funny this one's funny

this one looks like he just got out of

bed

you know

no this one makes him look too cool

we're gonna do this

this

this is the best one

i just wish i could change the color you

know

i just wish i could change the color

shoes decals anything can i do anything

with this

anything with that oh i can i can change

that all right

oh i might be able to change the color

yeah i can

perfect is there red

no but it's better than blue

actually if we make it kind of look like

maoist rebel yeah this looks cool

this looks cool

um textures anything

it sucks you can't change the hair

i think we're good

i think we're good now oh we can do this

glasses

yes

this is fucking beautiful i swear this

is perfect

uh anything

okay

this is perfect it's just uh i got to

figure out how to exit out of this

and it's it's like a simple button

but i forgot what it was it was like

save changes

okay perfect all right we're in business

now okay how do i talk again

did v hello

yeah i'm talking hello

hello anyone want to talk to me

what is the button to talk

hello

hello

hello

what is the button to talk usually in

gtrp i literally forgot it's um

x hello hello hello

hello

hello

okay b is the point hello

hello

and hello

yes all right fine finally

all right

hey how do i zoom in and out for

perspective purposes

how do i like zoom in and out again

how do i change cameras perspective

v

okay perfect all right we're good

all right we're in business

come back here

get back here right now

get back here right now

come back right now

come back

stop running

get the fuck back over here

get the fuck back over here

i'm going to kill you

this is my car now

[Music]

huh

doesn't belong to you anymore

it's my property because property is

theft

this doesn't belong to you anymore

oh

taking care of business

all right now

all i gotta do is uh press that one

fucking button

what's that button that like lets you

see the car

overview again

fuck is that button again

h is it h

no it's not h it's like a it's like a

button that lets me see the car

is it actually h

no it lets me see an overview of the car

yeah i forgot getting a car is like the

hardest thing to do in this game

and i don't even know how to get out

i literally don't want to get out of the

car

it's not f

it's jason

perfect

z is it z it's not c

how the fuck do i get out of the car

i'm stuck in the fucking car

oh i gotta okay

all right let's uh

check our options

is this the hospital because that's

where we're going

yup

it looks like we're going to hospital

it looks like we're going to the

hospital it's where we always end up

yeah we're going to pill box

here we go

the journey begins yo

get back

here on the road i'm sorry

i'm chilling i'm all good gang get back

here

get the fuck back here

get out of my car it's mine

eat my dick

all right wherever we're going we're

going together

oh shut up right here weird the fuck out

my car

this is my car i'm going gonna fucking

kill you bro

i'm gonna beat this shit out of you i'm

gonna kill your ass

i'll have you know that i am acting on

direct orders like jason

no get out get out get out get out come

on get out no

this is not your land it's stolen land

you're a racist

exactly get out nigga you're a racist

this is stolen land and you have no

claim to it

none

yeah racist

you're a racist and you're living on

stolen land

i'm working to burn

the american imperialists to the ground

starting with the canadian truckers

convoy

what are you doing to a civilian get out

the fucking car nigga no

i'm working on behalf of hillary clinton

racist fascist

no i'm not getting it

i'm not getting up

get the car no i'm not gonna do it

i'm not gonna do it

bro how do you do that

come on protesting will be weighed i'm

not going anywhere

you can have the card until women have a

right to choose i'm not getting up come

on

we go yo beat that nigga

fuck you nigga you gonna get banned

let's go

back y'all come back

i'm not going anywhere

two women have the right to choose again

i'm not going without you i'm beating

this shit it's their body their choice

i'm beating this shit out even i'm

protesting roe v wade

just like how women can't abort their

baby you can't abort me you're gonna

have to carry me

you're gonna have to carry me just like

so many women have to carry unwanted

pregnancies

yeah yeah what's up nigga

oh man what you gonna do drive that car

yeah driving nigga you can't drive this

shit

don't

i'm not fat i'm not fat that's fat

phobia nobody is i'm not fat i'm not fat

i'm healthy

this is these are these are transphobic

standards these are transphobic

standards created

under roe v wade by patriarchy i'm not

fat

i just have a dabba

something again

you a whole bitch no you're a bitch

that's the cards fatty

i'm not going anywhere

hey tell us how we hide hot wire stuff

oh my inventory nigga

i'm not going anywhere

i'll open my ends wherever you go i go

the shit weird

wherever you go i go

no

if you ever succeed i'll be right here

with you

you crackhead

[Music]

hey don't tell cops now don't tell 12.

i just called them they're on their way

you know you're never going to succeed

right

why

because i'm in the car with you

oh now we're in business

okay

here we go

now

i have to explain to you a situation

right now

ukrainians are facing

a huge loss by the dictator putin

and ukraine needs our help

that's how you hot wire stuff like that

that's such a stupid ass brain needs our

help and we're going to drive to ukraine

the car works it you got it to work

i'll take it for myself

if you get out the car i'm beating your

ass

it actually works did you guys see how

it worked

yeah the car bro

nope this is my car now and it works

how do you how do you like get to the uh

cards overview so i can start the engine

there's a way to do that

there's a way to literally just like

fucking

open up the dashboard and just start the

engine but i don't know how

i used to be able to do it i have no

idea how to do it

your iphone buddy

what

how the fuck do you do it it's like

like f something maybe

oh i think it's this vehicle yeah it's

this

something like this

yeah

that's what it is