The Shocking Illiteracy of Trendy 'Marxists' 🚀 Infrared Content Catalog

we're just gonna get right into this

shit because i'm you know i'm already

lost patience as it is

so

today

today's stream is going to be a lesson

uh in a specific

first of all it's going to be a very

theory heavy stream we're going to be

talking about maxwell and shit and we're

going to get into the nitty-gritty of

that

but um i want to use it and by the way i

got to warn you i'm on 48 hours of sleep

zero sleep at all completely sleep

deprived

i'm probably gonna have to take out a

boost tonight just to sleep

uh to force it down because i was not

able to sleep for the past two days last

time i slept was like

for three hours yesterday i haven't

gotten full sleep since thursday

so that's okay because

uh my mind is kind of working still

so we're gonna be fine

and i wanna just you know for those of

you looking for news whatever this is

going to be like a theory heavy stream

uh i'm just not going to be fun for

people who are just looking for like

simplistic shit but i'm going to try my

best to break it down to you guys and

teach you guys what is going on so you

can actually be informed

on this and then let me actually adjust

this

camera

because

all right

okay

yeah that's better i knew something was

off

really uh ocd about

keeping the setup the same

anyway um

we're gonna be talking about the

so-called

theory of value

so i want to preface this by saying and

i can tell you this with absolute

certainty

anybody who's telling you that they're a

marxist

and that they can accurately describe

the world today or understand anything

about the world and we live in i

understand the capital is not afraid

they don't know anything marxist today

they're all frauds they can't explain

anything about the world we live in

today

and every pretense they have to

knowledge about almost anything

is usually

not only based on an inaccurate

understanding of marx

most of these people don't know anything

about what marx on the road in the first

place in order to um

misinterpret him you have these

dumbasses like fred mosley

uh

and others right uh you have andrew

kleeman you have these marxoids who do

read marks and misinterpret him and they

come to stupid conclusions you have

cockshot does the same thing right um

but 99 of these people don't read marx

they don't actually go to the primary

source they are confronted with an

ideological problem namely the

insufficiency of marx's theory uh in

order to understand the world we have

today because he was describing

capitalism and clearly we're in a

different mode of production today which

i'm going to demonstrate and prove to

you

beyond any threshold of a doubt

you know

they have an ideological problem that

they're confronted with

the one in question today

is going to be about um money right

marx's marx had a very specific theory

of money and how money works in

capitalism okay now people have been

confronted with the fact for example

that this is no longer sustainable this

is no longer a defensible view at least

in terms of describing

a society without

any commodity money

or at least any commodity money that

assumes the commodity form of 19th

century capitalism which is gold right

and i'll explain what i mean by that

soon

so

when confronted with that factor met

with this ideological problem was okay

well is marx wrong was marx wrong about

everything and that can't possibly be

true because i have an ideological

attachment to marx uh an emotional and

sentimental attachment so i have to come

up with all these cops so fred mosbly

and all these other people they come up

with these forms of copium that get

trend they get them disseminated and

then downstream retards

um adopt them on a mass scale

just because they find them you know

comforting and consoling et cetera et

cetera et cetera um

you know another thing i want to talk

about kind of goes into the origins

of how i became such an angry person in

the first place

and a lot of the origins of my anger

comes from the fact

that

i i i became aware of the fact that 99

of human beings

do not think in terms of

um

judging the merits of what you're saying

carefully and cautiously on the basis of

not assuming you know right so if

someone says something that you're not

oh i that contradicts my view you have

to be very cautious because there's a

big possibility that they know more than

you right um

but the thing is people attach

the level of knowledge you have over

things

based on your social credibility which

has nothing to do with proving your

ability to know anything but just like

in terms of like how well respected you

are by communities and leftist

communities and things like that so

people found it fit and they made a big

fucking mistake today or yesterday i

forgot what it was a really really big

fucking mistake actually really big

fucking mistake that i'm gonna be honest

really has upset me

and the reason it upset me is because i

cannot fucking believe the extent to

which retards are getting social

validation when they are literally

fucking wrong and i'm right and it is an

indisputable fact that i'm fucking right

i will literally put ten thousand

dollars anyone who can come on stream

and in any way possible show how i'm

wrong about this right they can't

fucking do it because this is a black

and white issue and i know it's a black

and white issue because i did not start

off as this heterodox marxist who

believes we live in a different fucking

mode of production i started off as a

marxist fanatic

who was confronted with these arguments

and these facts and i myself tried to

cope my way out of it every single one

of these cops that try to explain how it

is we could still be living in the

capitalist mode of production that marx

described without commodity money

fundamentally deviated from marx's

essential vision and method now there's

all these like patchwork attempts people

do to like trying okay we'll fix this

we'll just throw in this and we'll fix

it this way but

none of those events the same logic marx

used to arrive at his original

conclusion in the first place they

fundamentally deviate from marx's

all-encompassing and holistic method

they're kind of these arbitrary quick

fixes they attach which have all of

these other

implications for marxism and marx's

theory that none of these people are

ready to actually drive to their

conclusion so there is

one

essence and insight of marx if you're

not able to reproduce that essence and

you're not able to reproduce that

insight whatever fix you're looking for

uh to explain

marx's uh

marx's fucking theory of value

is going to be in complete betrayal of

marxism it's going to be a form of

revisionism it's not going to have

anything to do with marx's actual

original method

yeah heinrich cockshot mosley clemen

sheikh they're all cope coping all they

fucking do is cope about the simple fact

that from an elementary marxist

perspective you could not sustain the

view that we live in the same mode of

production that marks it

or at the very least they're coping

about the fact that marx's theory of

money was an indispensable

aspect

of his theory of value and of the

project of capital as a whole his

critique of political economy you take

away marx's theory of money and the

whole fucking thing shatters and you're

left with a choice either marx was wrong

and we still live in the same mode of

production and marx was wrong about that

mode of production or the mode of

production has somehow fundamentally

changed now

i did not originally come to the latter

conclusion from nothing i spent years

studying how the petro dollar and

interest rates and exchange rates

foreign exchange rates i studied how all

of these things could have to do with a

new

kind of

theory of value

or

theory of the commodity form at the very

least

in the age of what is a socialist mode

of production

because i and i came to this conclusion

by the way trying to rescue

marx's original commodity form and his

original commodity money i wanted to

find a way that how could we replace

gold as the money commodity when the

price for the production of a dollar

clearly doesn't reflect the actual value

of the dollar

in them on the market this is a big

fucking problem now you don't know why

it's a problem yet and that's something

i have to explain using marx's own words

stemming from the grundery say all the

way to the end of capital volume three

okay and i'm gonna skip over some stuff

in volume two that also supports what

i'm saying just because i didn't have

time to like compile everything for the

stream uh because i had to do a bunch of

other stuff too i did the q a podcast

for the patreon and all that kind of

shit right

so

we're going to go through marks and

we're going to show you from marx

himself why a money commodity is

necessary

in order for the general commodity form

of capitalism as marx described it to be

possible

and the law of value okay

but the first thing i want to do is

publicly humiliate and shame

and destroy the credibility of all of

these pieces of shit and i don't give a

fuck anymore they are cigarettes that's

what they fucking are you understand i

don't give a fuck you call me whatever

the fuck you want these pieces of shit

these other disgusting scum who don't

respect

thought they don't respect the ability

to judge a claim on the fucking merit of

its actual foundation and on the merit

of what it's actually contained on its

own terms but attached all of this

bullshit like they're basically

operating under this fucking cope

nothing says could possibly be true

because i have to cope and pretend like

haas is a dumbass and pretend like haj

knows less than me and doesn't know

anything and if if i actually know the

truth that has knows more about marxism

not only more than you more than anyone

in your fucking life that you could

fucking name i know more about marxism

than and i will fucking you can measure

that however you fucking want put some

fucking skin in the game whether it's a

debate or otherwise i don't give a fuck

i can prove it i can actually fucking

put my money where my mouth is and

fucking prove it and i'm gonna fucking

humiliate you

in order to mentally traumatize you to

fucking remember it all these fucking

people who tell me this shit it's not

often

that i'm confronted with this fact

because if i had the fucking pretense of

some cigarette like roderick day then

guess what

i would literally

shave my whole body and my fucking hair

and paint myself blue i'd have the

potential dr manhattan from fucking

watchmen i'd literally be like oh i'm an

ascended god compared to that windbag

dumb fuck like roderick roderick day and

all these other dumb fuck fake marxists

who think they know anything about

capital i'm literally a god in

comparison to these fucking people but

i'm humble and i don't really take

myself that fucking seriously or have

all this pretension i'm able to fucking

goof around and still talk like a normal

person and speak like a normal person

because i know that at the end of the

day that's not what fucking counts the

meat and potatoes are what fucking

counts but when i say so when i'm in the

middle of a thread and i say something

so fucking elementary to anyone who has

the most cursory knowledge of marxism

whatsoever and these dumb fucks come and

try to quote tweet and ratio me how's it

that the dumb ass

that's an idiot what did that fuck

happened

that does fucking piss me off because

you're wrong and you're getting social

validation for being fucking wrong and i

can prove how wrong you are you stupid

bitch i legitimately cannot say what i

think should be done for you for being

such a stupid bitch and cigarette but

guess

what we're gonna go through it today in

today's stream we're gonna go through it

today in today's fucking stream

by the end of the stream you can be my

hater you can be my fan i don't give a

fuck what you are

you are gonna have two choices you admit

that i'm correct or you have a psychotic

break where you literally deny a black

and white reality before you

just because you cannot accept the fact

that i am right

in this case at the very least and they

are wrong it is black and white there is

no room for nuance there is no room for

argumentation there's no room for

fucking debate i can easily establish

that it was marx's view that money had

to be a commodity as the prerequisite

for the possibility of exchange value

and the general commodity form i can

demonstrate that so

and i'm not going to do it once i'm

going to do it several times from

grundry say to capital volume three and

by the end of this i don't want to

fucking see anyone cope and sit here and

try and tell me

that it is somehow possible to sustain

the view that we live in the same mode

of production that marx did

when we don't have the commodity money

okay so by the end of this stream i want

everyone to fucking know that so we're

gonna begin

we're gonna start off by going to the

origin and the roots of all this shit by

i'm gonna show you where all this came

from and what

what the fucking origins of this whole

thing are

so give me a moment

i'm gonna show it to you

i'm dumbfuck is still in my fucking

replies a stupid bitch why don't we just

use this as our first fucking example

because this stupid bitch is still in my

fucking replies and i'm really fucking

annoyed with them at this point so i'm

gonna fucking put them on the

sacrificial altar before anything else

and we're just gonna fucking do it that

way so

i told him so all the gun he said the

value of fiat money comes from the

social leader labor needed to obtain it

and then i said so all the government

needs to fucking do is print more money

to command more labor and he goes no the

government prints more money the amount

of labor needed to acquire the units go

down

you dumb fuck that still presupposes a

general commodity form

and a universal

equivalent

which you

now just admit is not incarnated in the

fucking fiat money

so how

how exactly

is it possible

that fiat can be a store of value

can be a measure of value

because there is clearly

because there is clearly a fucking third

thing between the measure

of labor

and the fiat money since printing

more fiat money

means that

the value per unit of currency goes down

down

what

is the third thing between labor and

fiat then

fucking dumbass can't even fucking think

right stupid bitch won't even get in my

fucking vc either you stupid pussy you

stupid fucking bitch

for 48 hours i've been at this shit for

48 fucking hours for 48 hours i've been

awake doing this fucking bullshit

fucking coping bitch you fucking retard

fucking did still for still presupposes

a general commodity form you didn't

justify this claim

you stupid bitch yes i just

fucking did

the justification

lies in the fact

that there must be a universal

equivalent

commodity that is the universal

measure of labor value

if that

if that does not fucking exist

then you do not have general commodity

production described by marx i should

say form

you stupid fuck

since printing more means that the value

printer goes on what is the third thing

between labor it's not a matter of

printing money it's the matter that

labor that taxation establishes as the

necessary amount to acquire it

this isn't even fucking true

are you

trying to fucking say that fiat derives

its value from taxation a fucking cope

supported by zero evidence whatsoever

i've heard this dumb fucking coke before

actually

the labor that taxation establishes as

necessary amount to acquire it

that's completely fucking incoherent

you're saying a fucking dollar is worth

the amount of labor in taxes

that go into

a dollar what kind of incoherent

stupid

fucking cop is that

fucking idiot

what a stupid fucking thing to say

by the way none of this comes from marx

he's just adding his own retarded

theories to it because he can't justify

it from marxism

he can't justify it through marxism so

he's adding his own fucking retarded

theories that have nothing to fucking do

with it

do you even know what general commodity

production is kid

get in fucking vc and stop wasting time

in twitter replies debate me i'm live

now everybody go in this fucking thread

and spam the fuck out of this guy spam

the fuck out of him to get in fucking vc

spam the fuck out of it

stupid bitch

stupid fucking bitch you fucking pussy

and let's get to the fucking crux of the

matter and the heart of the matter

not gonna fucking let this pussy

distract us or derail us

my goal is to completely destroy the

credibility of at least three accounts

but it's actually 21 accounts but

there's three ones that i found that had

significant followings i want everyone

to know these people

should have no credibility when it com

and this would be a

a teachable moment

about listening to dumb fucks on twitter

who pretend they understand what marxism

is none of these people understand

anything about marxism all of these

fucking people are bluffing for

ideological reasons to pretend like they

understand it they've never read marx

they've never consulted the primary

fucking literature it's all based on

hearsay convention and a false veneer of

common sense that they've derived from

common stupidities that they've just

fucking swallowed up and gobbled up not

because they've been persuaded of those

things on the merit of what they

consistent

but because for some reason there's

authorities behind those notions it

couldn't possibly be the case that the

commodity form has fundamentally

transformed it couldn't possibly be the

fucking case because my marxist

professor in college said otherwise and

i thought marxism was a solution to the

alienation that i feel being stuffed in

the locker in high school

you fucking bitch the best part of all

is these coping dumb fucks these scum

these stupid bitch

cigarettes

they hear that i'm the one saying it so

they think i'm automatically wrong i

could not possibly be correct about

something so let me show you the

offending fucking tweet in question and

all the fucking retards who tried to

fucking um

challenge what i said so this was a

thread i got it i got on this thread

and then somewhere along the line he

says money buys things what it buys are

real commodities the value money is

expressed and labor time used to create

what it can buy you can make up all the

money you want but ultimately all can

buy is what is created and yeah but he

doesn't understand there has to be a

general measure otherwise it's not

abstract labor anymore so this is what i

said

marx explicitly outlined how as a

prerequisite for general commodity

production

abstract labor and universal exchange

there has to be a universal commodity

that crystallizes a definite magnitude

of labor value in other words you can't

do what fred mosley tries to fucking do

with his melt cope and just be like well

all the proportions of the commodities

in comparison to one another

amount to the actual labor labor value

no because that itself presupposes a

common measure otherwise how can you say

that's the labor value when prices

deviate from their actual values how can

you know that

two of these

is worth

one of the sorry this is the same

fucking thing how can you know two of

these is worth one of these when the

price of these may be inflated they may

be fluctuating the price may

fundamentally differ from its actual

value and furthermore there has to be a

third thing that measures what this is

in the first place because you can't

just buy this with this or by it'll be

an endless metanewmic exchange which

makes no fucking ext it makes no fucking

sense whatsoever

so

there has to be a universal medium of

exchange

that crystallizes the general value

right

because prices remember also fluctuate

from their underlying values

that was one of the biggest fucking

reasons for gold was that it was a

steady currency and that's also

something i'm going to get into which

also fucking puts a piece of dynamite on

everything you've ever fucking learned

about marxism in your life probably and

all the assumptions you've ever tried

maybe ever fucking made about the nature

of

labor value in the first place

because i'm also going to start talking

about exchange

uh foreign exchange rates and the

proportions between different currencies

and how that's been one of the biggest

factors in world history

driving history

stupid fucking fat retard bitch calls me

a fucking imbecile you fucking idiot you

stupid fucking bitch

you stupid fucking bitch you fucking

moron stupid piece of shit

stupid fucking bitch piece of shit

fucking retard you're saying a dollar is

worth the labor and taxation completely

illiterate it's worth the amount of

labor that's required to bring it into

existence this amount is dictated by the

labor demanded by the government for a

fiat unit

that's literally

what i just fucking said

so you are making the regarded claim

couldn't you decompose the dead snlt

from the bank sector real commodities

banks buy like comps etc and say that's

what backs the dollar it's on bank ball

sheets purchased using money advanced

thank you max

that the amount necessary to bring a

unit of currency into existence

is dictated by the labor demanded

in taxes

zero evidence for this

mentally regarded and completely

arbitrary claim

keep

fucking coping

stupid bitch

nobody needs a state's fiat until it

demands its own currency through

taxation

what the fuck does this have to do with

your cope taxation theory of value

it takes effort to earn that sum but

without a

a universal

equivalent

there is no way to measure that effort

in the fucking first place

your tax band aid is just a fucking coke

alien to marxism

he's trying to fucking say that the

band-aid

to how you're gonna measure the fucking

labor value in the first place is going

to be the amount in taxes just fucking

stupid

it's fundamentally fucking stupid thank

you so much jackson for the raid

appreciate you man

thank you

dealing with this fucking idiot

fucking moron

stupid coping bitch

anyway

back to the original thing thank you so

much for the ray jackson guys i'm gonna

be honest this is gonna be a boring

stream give me a sec

i'm dealing with some uh

theory marxism related shit dealing with

some dumb fucks

so many you you may you may learn

something though so

so marx outlined how as a prerequisite

for general commodity production

abstract labor and universal exchange

there has to be a universal commodity

that crystallizes a definite magnitude

of labor value

okay so this is what i fucking said

and this is what they race showed me for

ready

that commodity no longer exists and why

doesn't that fucking commodity exist

because fiat currency

takes what a penny to fucking print

takes a penny to paint a trillion

dollars or something

so no

the amount the price for the production

of fiat currency clearly does not

actually contain the amount of value

that money buys for if we're assuming

the law of value is still in effect that

is

so let's say one dollar buys for this

little shit thing right

it takes one penny to print a dollar

but this contains more labor value

crystallized in it

than what the dollar is worth so the

dollar cannot be the

universal equivalent for exchange in the

form of commodity money because the

dollar commodity is not actually worth

its price in production

that's what commodity money means it

means the money is worth the price

of production

at least according to marx in the

classical school of political economy

which has a theory of value according to

which commodities are backed by some

substance and they said that substance

was labor

okay

so i said that commodity no longer

exists so by marx's own definition the

commodities money buys for can no longer

be defined as such as such being the

general commodity form he outlined in

capital

which was again presupposing

a universal medium of exchange

a universal commodity

that measures them

so how can you even define the commodity

the commodities

money buys for

as general commodity commodities

belonging to general commodity

production

if you don't fucking have commodity

money

it's that fucking simple

it's literally that fucking simple

so let's look at the quote tweets and

before we get into what mark said and we

fucking break down what mark said let's

look at the other fucking retards in my

fucking quote tweets

that tried to fucking make it seem like

this was wrong in any fucking way

because this idiot is saying well labor

goes into them it's worth something how

did it become abstract labor it's not

fucking abstract labor until it has an

abstract universal equivalent

this fucking these idiots don't fucking

understand that for marx

youth value is relative

value is relative across societies

there's no universal labor power for

marx it's relative okay so use value

they're going to be like uh a hundred

hours went into making this fucking cat

uh carton

that is not a universal standard

it's it's relative across the culture of

how much work people tend to do all that

kind of shit there's no universal labor

standard

there's none that's something else i'm

gonna prove to you in the form of the

history of fucking foreign exchange

foreign exchange rates

okay so let me show you the retards in

my quote tweets first there's some guy

who wants to defend one of the premier

retards we're gonna fucking expose today

so here he is so you're here to defend

your retard friend

you're here to defend your retard friend

aren't you

unmute yourself

go ahead and mute yourself

yeah

i don't really know how this like

derailed into like

a conversation about commodities when

the original tweet was just like about

silly

um like

fake white genocide

okay let me show you what the original

dispute is about here so your friend

jamaican uh whatever his name is

jamaican jihadi both tweeted my shit

and this is what he said and he got he

raised me very successfully like mike

stop working hold on

okay wait can you hear me now yeah he

races me very successfully he mocked

what i say

commodities no longer exists he mocked

you he mocked you yeah

but i was right and he's a fucking

retard he mocked me about something i

was right about wait i want you to

defend your friend

uh his mental retardation getting away

with making it seem like i'm the dumb

fuck when he doesn't even fucking know

that and this is i put it here but

people still try to talk about this the

first necessary move in this process

as we have seen

that the commodities set apart a

specific commodity which becomes the

direct reification of universal labor

time or the universal equivalent so in

order to transition from use value to

exchange value

as definite quantities of materialized

universal labor time the first necessary

move is to have a commodity money that's

what marx directly says

in like the first volume of capital in

chapters one to three very early on so

your retard friend got 400 likes for

being more illiterate and less

knowledgeable than me and i want you to

sit here and justify why your retard

friend

should get away with that go ahead

i can't really hear you through like all

the anger but i do want to read you this

yeah

okay yeah yeah i think you're coping i

think you can hear me just fine i think

you can hear me just fine actually i

want you to justify i don't miss what

you use anaphylactic steroids report

more anger than not shut

get the fuck out of here

fucking take that fucking l take that

fucking l take that fucking out keep

trying to fucking

talk about the money

how does it know what he's talking about

really

but this is what mark said

by the way this is like nothing this

this right here what mark said that's

just like very elementary shit it gets

so much better it gets so

so

so much better okay

so this is retard number one who uh

claims

i'm i should be mocked for saying this

almost ever verbatim what mark says i

should be mocked for that right

he's not the only one let's continue

let's continue

oh this dumb fucking stupid bitch

fucking retard we're also gonna bring

them on extra

so this whole these whole uh quote

tweets they're full of people like

sneering at me look at this fat fuck

donut eating salad

oh i'm the dumbass right i'm the fucking

dumbass right

i'm the fucking dumbass right

look at this person i left for this

account getting ratio daily and they i

think where do they live who is this

person

laura

oh they live in cairo perfect

i live

for

the future egypt has in store for you

beautiful

that commodity no longer exists how is

that so

if the commodity no longer exists then

money as the universal criminal

commodities wouldn't fucking neither

genius hey retard money doesn't serve as

the universal equivalent as commodities

you fucking idiot that's the point you

dumb fuck

how can one be so confident and so

stupid at the same time

how could how could one be so confident

and so stupid at the same time

this guy thinks fiat money abolished the

money commodity

this retard i was arguing in my

notifications literally had to cope and

claim that fiat money is backed by taxes

that's why

because the taxes that exact as a

definite uh amount of magnitude of labor

fucking coping bitch

fucking retard

taxes couldn't even fucking serve as the

basis for fiat money being

the universal equivalent

because

taxes are also arbitrarily set by the

government you have

arrived at a voluntarist theory of value

foreign to marx

fucking idiot

dumbass

stupid bitch

let's continue then this is not potato

bolsovic no fucking way commodities have

been abolished we did it boardiga we won

look at all these sneering fucking

coping scum these arrogant pieces of

shit fucking sit here like they're being

fucking clever when i'm literally

instead of just engaging me directly on

the meat and potatoes of what i'm

fucking saying they act like how what

i'm saying is somehow absurd or that

it's self-evident that i'm wrong somehow

and all the fucking retards who like

this are also coping alongside them

being like oh i did this i know why

sauce is wrong i know white house sounds

ridiculous right now i get it i you

don't shit bitch cuz i'm calling your

bluff right fucking now that you're

pretending to have knowledge that you

actually don't fucking have you're

pretending to have a level of knowledge

about this that you actually don't

fucking have you're bluffing

that there's something you somehow know

that makes this seem ridiculous and yet

you can't actually show us anything but

i have literally an endless supply of

quotes directly from marx himself at

every stage that he was engaged in the

critique of political economy to support

my position so you are a fucking retard

and you take the l on this and again by

the end of the stream there's two

options you

you gotta fucking uh

enter this mental psychosis where you

have to deny reality itself it's just in

the name of trying to get one over me or

you're gonna fucking submit to me and

suck my fucking cock

for the rest of your life if you ever

stumble upon and learn

that for marx money has to be a

commodity

you are basically submitting to me then

because you fucking went out of your way

to make it seem like i was the dumb ass

and you attached the entirety of your

credibility on that bluff so either

you're gonna have to deny the basic

facts of marx's theory of value for the

rest of your life or you're gonna die

knowing you had to submit to haas suck

my fucking cock and admit that i was

fucking right you fucking cigarette

bitch

now fucking way commodities have been

abolished by the way you fucking retard

did i fucking say commodities have been

abolished or am i talking about general

commodity production

but then again these fucking retards

don't even know the fact they're not

even cognizant or aware of the fact that

commodities predated general commodity

production

meaning there were commodities before

general commodity production

meanwhile joseph stalin the leader of

the ussr

general secretary of the communist party

of the soviet union

wrote in his book the economic pro

economic problems of the ussr

that there's such a thing as a socialist

commodity

beyond general commodity production so

you saying commodities have been

abolished is somehow a necessary

conclusion of this when commodities can

still exist without general commodity

production being the prevailing mode of

production or form of the commodity

just shows how much you are a fucking

illiterate stupid bluffing piece of shit

who has such a lack of acquaintance with

fucking marxism

every time you've gotten off a high on

this false sense of confidence that you

know more than prageru is wrong you know

just as much about marxism than fucking

prageru

you fucking bitch you coping bitch

thank you jacob stern

thank you reaper for the 25th now if i'm

forgetting you're gifted my bad but i'm

gonna fucking go through each and every

one of these pieces of shit they will

never ever let this down i am never ever

ever going to fucking forget this you

see the huge hate post on voss subreddit

dear boss separated fuck you

and every union can suck my cock because

you're triggered by that then you're

just bothered by me saying that i don't

give a fuck i don't care i don't give a

shit i don't

everything that you hold near and dear

in your life can suck my cock your

mother can suck my fucking cock

everything in your whole life that you

value your teddy bear i shit on it i

wipe my fucking ass with it everything

that you attach arbitrary sentimental

value to somehow to cope with reality i

am i am the antithesis of that and i

seek to destroy that and my purpose here

on earth is to bring you as much fucking

pain and suffering as i possibly fucking

can you wash fat fuck pedophile pieces

of shit so that's what i have to fucking

tell the pedophile boss community

in response to that fucking fucking post

anyway let's continue

again here see this is this is life

114 likes it's literally wrong directly

from marx directly from marks directly

from marx 19 likes

19 likes directly from marx he's saying

the exact same fucking thing that i said

that the necessary condition for use

value to enter

use value to become universal exchange

value

to materialize universal labor time

is for one commodity to be set apart

that becomes the defect direct

reification of universal labor time or

the universal equivalent

now we're going to elaborate on what

that means from way more sources from

marx in order chronologically just in

case anyone thinks this is too vague or

this isn't enough to support my position

we're gonna go through a lot so don't

worry about that right but we have more

retards to get through

look at this guy what the fuck is this

guys i hope is anyone following me here

do you guys know why this is retarded or

no i don't want to be the only person in

the world

who's witnessing this like abject

stupidity this unquestionably stupid

fucking bullshit i don't want to be the

only fucking person who has to witness

the fact that this person is a fucking

idiot trying to mock me like make me

look like i'm the fucking stupid person

when you're fucking saying this

you're saying this

so i'm gonna give you example

of why that's fucking stupid just one

example just one example right one of

the ones that i like

one of the examples that i want to give

you

okay

so this is what mark said commodities

find their own value already completely

represented without any initiative on

their part in another commodity existing

company with them

these objects gold and silver just as

they come out of the bowels of the earth

are forth with the direct incarnation of

all human labor all human labor the

common standard and measure of all human

labor comes from mining gold and silver

according to marx

here the magic of money in the form of

society now under consideration

there we go okay

here the magic of money okay

the money commodity now let me ask the

retard a question who thinks i'm the one

who looks fucking stupid from this um

what is the price of production in terms

of labor for producing that fucking

dollar and what is the labor content of

that dollar taken at the level of its

price of production if you can't answer

that they are equivalent or somehow

pegged to one another in some kind of

way despite some fluctuations you have

just conceded to me that you should

never have been born your mother should

have fucking swallowed you and aborted

you

the first chance he got and you know

what maybe i am fucking pro pro abortion

i'm pro eighth month abortion for this

stupid fuck because at least they would

be fucking screaming and suffering in

agony and pain if their fucking mother

exercised her right to her bodily

autonomy and fucking aborted this dumb

fuck who deserves to go to hell

suffering and crying and screaming in

torturous pain for saying such a stupid

fucking thing

i'm convinced hi to the masochist who

gets off on embarrass seven people like

this fucking tweet

seven

seven fucking people liked this tweet

seven

and an entire group of people liked this

which claims that my

quoting of marx almost ad verbatim

makes me an embarrassment

actual lobotomite

then this is the other dumb fuck frog

he's been coping all fucking day frog we

did it we have balanced the commodity

form we did it we abolished the

commodity farm

same dumb fucking shit this other person

said right

but this person at the very least wasn't

trying to argue with me until i

responded where they were like are you

trying to say that gold is the only

valid form of money that money no longer

functions at the universal equivalent

no it doesn't function as the universal

equivalent to dumb fuck because fiat

money is not commodity money

look up the fucking definition of

commodity money you dumbass

gas leak economics oh this is where it

gets good so this guy specifically is

someone i specifically

want to humiliate all these other

fucking irrelevant fucking peanut brain

dumb fucks aren't worth our time right

now

this dumb fuck right here armor

158 likes from amar

this is another uh if this guy's not

auto be you know that's gonna be another

fucking hilarious thing because they're

larping as a fucking arab guy

uh if they're not

but then he goes bro you didn't read the

book i can tell

so maybe there's a reason he said this

so just so we're clear

i gave him a direct fucking quotation

from marx a direct quote from marx

that the first necessary move in the

process

is for a commodity set apart gold which

becomes the direct ref reification of

universal labor time or the universal

equivalent

how does he respond he has an answer he

actually has an answer

has doesn't understand that money is

just a way to measure

the value of their commodities and make

exchange easier

it doesn't matter if that money is gold

silver or bottle caps the key is that it

is socially accepted money

looking he's talking marx is talking

about how you know gold increasingly is

sublimated into the symbols of gold and

how you know

paper value

paper is acquiring um

value

right oh i wonder why paper requires

value i wonder where he get that gets

that from right

universal measure of value and only by

virtue does gold the equivalent products

list become money

which this is not saying anything in

direct response to you because that's

what i fucking said it's not money that

renders commodities commensurable nobody

fucking said money is what renders them

commensurable we said

money serves as the universal

measurement of their exchange

that's the fucking difference

we all know

that socially necessary labor is what

renders commodities commensurable but

insofar as this assumes an abstract

character there has to be a form

of abstract commodity form in the form

of commodity money that's what marx

directly said money is the measure of

value if you don't have commodity money

you don't have a measurement of value

there's no way for society

to measure the commodities that are

commensurable in the fucking first place

so marx isn't saying you can have

exchange value without money

he's trying to say that money is the way

exchange value is measured

in the first place he's not saying

money's the basis of commodities

of course it's not but money is the

basis for them to be exchanged in a

general form

the exchange of commodities presupposes

a common measure of commodities at least

in generalized commodity production of

mcm prime in cmc maybe you could say no

we could just barter or something

that's not the capitalism marx is

describing that's a different fucking

mode of production

that's an entirely different mode of

production but this is the most

beautiful part

look at the arrogance look at the

fucking arrogance of this retard

i i swear to god i want everybody to

remember this profile pic just remember

this profile remember them remember them

literally just promise me you will never

forget this person promise me you will

never ever forget this fucking retard

you will never forget them you will

never forget this person because what i

am about to show you is going to be so

devastatingly shocking

so just get ready right

reading marks is challenging for people

new to marxism perhaps if you didn't

call communists who are not white men

parasites or post-humans you could find

comrades who would study with you

i want you to recap what they just said

that that proves that i haven't read so

they're using this as proof that i

haven't read doesn't matter if money's

gold silver or bottle caps the key is

socially accepted

the key is that it is socially accepted

as money

let's see what mark says about that

let's just see what mark says about that

paper money is a token representing gold

or money the relation between it and the

values of commodities is this that the

latter are ideally expressed in the same

quantities of gold that are symbolically

represented by paper

only in so far as paper money represents

gold which like all other commodities

has value

is it a symbol of value so no according

to marx not anything can serve as the

universal equivalent of exchange just

because it's socially accepted it also

has to have value and since value by

definition already implies socially

necessary labor we don't have to talk

about this socially accepted bullshit

because it's already implied in the

definition of fucking value but it has

to have intrinsic labor value you can't

just have a piece of dirt as the

universal equivalent of exchange unless

you have immense quantities of dirt that

adequately represent

a given amount of labor but given that

it would probably take like 10 piles of

fucking 100 fucking pound dirt

to fucking represent the tiny piece of

little gold it's not a very fucking

efficient universal medium of exchange

so it has to possess intrinsic value the

problem is that fiat money despite being

worth one dollar let's say doesn't

actually derive its value from its

intrinsic commodity price so that is the

fucking problem that we're dealing with

you fucking idiot

and if you want more fucking proof that

it can't just be any stealthily accepted

thing

refer to this where marx talks about why

gold is significant

so marx says it right here

a measure of value and a standard price

money has two entirely distinct

functions to perform it is the measure

of value and so for much as the socially

recognized incarnation of human labor

key word is incarnation of human labor

it is the standard of price in as much

it is the fixed weight of metal as the

measure of value it serves to convert

the values of all the manifold

commodities into prices to imaginary

quantities of gold standard price of

gold

in order to make gold a standard of

price a certain weight must be fixed

upon it as a unit in this case as in all

cases of measuring quantities of the

same denomination the establishment of

an unvarying unit of measure is all

important again fiat money does not

follow that qualification and i'll

explain why marx explains it right now

hence the less the unit is because it's

not

a unvarying unit it has to be an

unvarying unit containing intrinsic

labor value marx is about to say it

right here

only in so far

as it itself a product of labor and

therefore potentially variable in value

can gold serve as a measure of value

i'm gonna repeat that just in case

anybody thought they should be fucking

confused about this only in so far

is it in itself a product of labor and

therefore potentially variable in value

can gold serve as a measure of value so

let me ask the retards a question who

want to still question my fucking

knowledge and question my credibility

is a dollar worth the amount that goes

in to print a fucking dollar

some retard is trying to argue with me

saying that

well no not to print it but it's worth

the amount in taxes exactly

for the labor that's a fucking

completely voluntarist theory of value

it's totally incoherent and totally

fucking

unsustainable but even if we were to

entertain it we would have to admit it's

inconsistent with marxism which is what

fucking matters as far as the relevant

dispute and argument at hand

it's actually fucking incredible

can you read a set let me look at this

other fucking retard give me a moment

we're not done with ahmed by the way but

some fucking guys too much of a pussy to

get in my fucking vc

still fucking coping

can you read this is actually hilarious

the labor required to obtain a unit of

fiat is arbitrary because different fiat

currencies take different quantities of

labor to obtain wow enjoy your subject

theory of value

effort to earn that sum

nowhere do you arrive at a transition

from

use from concrete

labor in the form of use values to an

actual objective universal standard of

labor

you claim that taxes

are objective no matter how arbitrarily

set by the government

because they contain

um

magnitudes of definite labor

that is fucking irrelevant

and already even if we were to entertain

this fucking stupidity

establish

us as beyond

the

general commodity production

established

analyzed by marx marx makes it

absolutely and indisputably clear

that the

money commodity has to be

let me fucking quote it directly for

this fucking idiot

it has to be

taxes moreover

according to you

you don't understand the fucking

difference between concrete and abstract

labor so assume that

there

even when established by fiat and by

command

the law of value will still be an

operation

because there is still effort that it

takes to

pay taxes

what's fucking hilarious

about this illiteracy is that it

completely

deviates from the view that capitalism

is a form of general

commodity production

with the commodity no longer being

universal

but relative to the arbitrary dictates

of a government

the tax theory of value

also kent

has no evidence to support it

and is a completely bankrupt cope

meant to

put a band-aid

on

an already bastardized interpretation of

marx

according to this view

taxes should have

would have a much more variable role

in determining

moreover this view also would entail

that the arbitrary raising or

lowering

of taxes would automatically have the

same effect

as printing money

or

for changes in the supply

supply of money it would be equivalent

to transforming

the very basis of the commodity form

every time the government raises or

lowers taxes

do you know the absolutely mentally

regarded

nature

of how stupid

such a claim

and all its

implications

so fucking stupid it is so fucking

stupid

the amount

required to

harvest gold

is not fucking arbitrary because it

belongs in the realm of civil society

the market etc gold

already has intrinsic value

by virtue of representing

social labor

social labor for the rest of society

of the rest of society

again

mark's

words are crystal clear

money must be an

unvarying unit of measure

which gold is which is why it

already has intrinsic value and which is

why mining gold

is actually worth

economical

what you are

talking about is

already outside capitalism

fucking dumbass

fucking literal dumbass

actual dumb fuck actual stupid fuck

actual brain dead stupid fuck

don't worry

going to utterly fucking dare to shreds

this little coke blog post you decided

to embarrass yourself by sharing

all of your credibility is attached

to it

since you're too

scared to get in vc

enjoy

stupid bitch everybody go spam them go

fucking spam this fucker

go spam this little bitch this fucking

pussy let's get back to ahmed because

we're not done with him then we're gonna

take care of that uh that little blog

post that they're hiding behind

that they're fucking using as their cope

you know rev took the i've been awake

for 48 hours i didn't know it was this

simple

so this dumbass is effectively saying

that when you have an inflationary

runaway crisis of inflation all the

government has to do is to tax people

more and that'll solve it

is this this guy's a fucking idiot i i

can't even i didn't even comprehend how

stupid what he was saying was because i

was so fucking angry i didn't even

comprehend how fucking stupid the idea

that taxation is the basis of value

would fucking be when you take into

account

inflation that just happens

what a stupid fucking thing

what a stupid fucking thing to say i

didn't even think of that

it's literally the most retarded shit

i've ever fucking heard ever

what a stupid fucking thing

it gets it from taxes how that's so

fucking stupid

i can't fucking believe someone just

said that shit

taxing will solve inflation that's what

they literally say

taxing would solve the inflation

what a fucking idiot

i was so angry i didn't even think of it

yeah just tell jerome powell increase

taxes biden

just increase taxes biden

just increase the taxes by it and that's

all we need

that's all we fucking need

increase increase

increase taxes

you deny that the value of gold changes

to the conditions of production change

mighty impressive you has if it start

taking half the labor to output a

kilogram of gold i guess that's the

equivalent of transforming the basis of

commodity form

that is

would be like a revolution

in the means of production

which yes

tends to be general in nature

across society

but even if it wasn't

it's besides the point

let me just simplify this fucking shit

yes

it would

and

would still

obey

the fucking law of value

and belong to the realm

of civil society

under capitalism

meanwhile

taxes

being the basis

basis of value

is the most regarded shit

i've ever heard someone try and cope it

meanwhile taxes

being raised or lowered is just

fucking arbitrary

result

of

political intervention

hilarious cope

in no way

could it serve

it's not enough fucking

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somehow thinks that changes in the means

means of production

violate the law of value

and are outside

of the sphere of civil society

exchange

in ways

that government policy

doesn't

lmfao what a fucking idiot just about

the dumbest shit i've ever fucking heard

in my

life just about the dumbest shit i've

ever fucking heard in my life

the government just taxes people and

that's the basis of labor value

that's modern monetary theory

has nothing to do with marxism

nothing that means the government

literally creates value

through taxes it's the dumbest fucking

shit i've ever fucking heard

we don't fucking there's no evidence for

what he's saying either it's just

fucking stupid

there's no fucking evidence for it

either that's a hilarious thing

would you rather have barry stay in

control of the ussr after stalin's death

or was kyousha bright in cooping barrier

thank you money dog for the five and uh

i don't really sigh i don't really side

with i don't like barry that much to be

honest

so i guess

hope that answers

what is what is switched

he says debate me on switched

the fuck is switched

switched around 9 2 1 1.

i haven't come in vc

okay just join server and join show cube

let's debate this pussy now we still

have to uh

expose amir the dumb fuck but we're

gonna fucking debate this guy right now

stop hiding behind that fucking blog

because i'm already going to dismantle

it entirely

debate me now

i'm saying it

it would violate

establish

a form of money entirely

outside the law of value

and outside capitalism

fucking pussy

still hiding behind that blog post which

i'm gonna fucking destroy

comprehensively

because i want him to put it in his own

words hiding behind that fucking

log

i want to discuss with your orbiters

i'm waiting for you to join

join show q

i can bring my

orbiters to if that's what you want

ah these fucking marxoid npcs entirely

outside the law of value

prove it

it no longer fucking has its basis in

actual exchange value

but violent political coercion

based on fallen

voluntary whim

you realize the law of value is about

the way that

general value

asserts itself across exchange

like like step one

step one it's not a form of exchange

value dumbass

taxes are not a form of exchange

value the government isn't buying your

fucking money it's not buying your labor

taxes themselves presuppose economic

activity they don't establish the basis

for economic activity they presuppose

them so what a stupid fucking thing to

say

this fucking pussy

absolute fucking pussy

okay there okay apparently he joined

apparently he joined

we are waiting for you to join the

server you fucking pussy

we are waiting for you now

let me get the fucking invite link

rev if you want you should join and

fucking uh

destroy him

just add him and fucking destroy his

bitch ass

because he doesn't want to fucking

debate me he wants to debate

one of the infrared people

let me see if he already joined

member logs

nope they haven't joined

they have not joined

at least uh from what i can see

let's check

nope

they haven't joined

do you think taxes are a form of

exchange value

taxes already presuppose real

substantive economic activity

but you are coping with anti-marxist

trash trying to say

the opposite

is true at least

admit marx did not share your view

from civil society

not women

it's not even a fucking word

we are waiting

where did it fucking come from this guy

goes it's getting worse and worse for

you how

it's getting worse and worse for you do

you even know what value is you dumb

fuck it's in the name it's something

that is valuable it's literally implies

exchange

value literally implies exchange you

stupid fuck

the fucking the fucking word

value literally implies exchange

what a fucking idiot

i am waiting for your squadron

of illiterates what does that fucking

mean

they're not in our uh discord

let's see what's their name

what is their name

switched around so let's go to server

settings let's go to members

they're not in our fucking discord

they're not in our discord

what the fuck does that mean

you are nowhere

to be found in the discord

we are waiting

stupid pussy we're gonna fucking destroy

you

he wants to debate us 101

take care of him one-on-one then i guess

since they're such a fucking pussy

so you claim marx

believed your mmt garbage

taxation theory of value

am i hearing this correct

any evidence

why do you want to be

our friend

get in vc you can debate anyone you want

fucking pussy

scared

what what is what's what's what's what's

up with this shit they want us to

fucking add them one-on-one why

why the fuck do you insist on fucking

friending people you fucking pussy

this guy goes i don't know what mmt is

yeah i know what fucking mmt is it's the

fucking retard theory of value where

when you print money that magically

creates value somehow

and that there's no actual intrinsic

substance there's no actual intrinsic

value

fucking stupid bullshit

fucking dumb bitch

fucking liberal cope fucking theory of

value

value is the consequence of the social

distribution of labor having necessarily

used the commodity formulas outlet

lmfao

that's not what value is

even if it was you just told me

why it emerges not what it is value

implies

exchange value is the estranged form of

labor

yes but only in so far

that estrangement precisely takes the

form of private property and the

exchange thereof

within civil society fucking idiot

why are you running

we are waiting

fucking pussy

marx couldn't explain it any more than

he could

explain imperialism he did anticipate

the breakdown of

the value form

and capitalist production and he was

right

you are the one trying to claim he was

wrong

everything

has

based thank you so much more a lot empty

was invented when liberals got tired of

waiting around for bond yields and just

wanted to print money directly into

interpretive dance programs for colleges

almost everything

that has happened

was correctly predicted by marx

engels

value is the form the distribution of

labor takes

with the introduction of fetishism

never even fucking read early marx's

writings or even angles origin of

property

on

the emergence

of value

private property

and the estrangement of labor

thinks

fetishism is somehow fucking introduced

because they have a volunteerist

hope

theory of economics

um

fetishism was introduced

what

kind of fucking stupid claim is that

nothing is introduced

it proceeds according to an imminent

logic of historical development

but of course

you wouldn't know a fucking thing about

dialectics fucking dumbass

they said the dissolution of capitalism

was happening at the level

a change in the mode of production

regarding the proletarian revolution

they believed this to

be an inevitable political consequence

of that

they were somewhat correct

three

i don't presuppose any of that

we live in a different mode of

production now

the value form broke down a long time

ago

and you're coping with mmt as abandoned

fucking

stupid

neighbor has to use the commodity form

as an outlet as if there is some

as if it's just using the commodity form

and you

as a utility to realize some

pre-established ends

this is literal mental regardlation

total fucking amateur dipshit

my point was already justified

now you can get in vc and debate unless

you're scared

that's wearing salad

no it's not fucking word salad i'm

literally telling you

that capitalism fucking basically

the foundations and basis of capitalism

were destroyed after 1929. that's what

i'm trying to fucking tell you dumb fuck

that the crisis marx and engels were

predicting to destroy capitalism yeah it

happened that's what i'm trying to

fucking tell you

did you guys try to add him on discord

fucking pussy

fucking little bitch

it is necessarily the outlet

it

necessarily

has to use it as the outlet

nothing changes

still sounds stupid as fuck

time for debate kid

look at this dumb fuck acting like

there's some kind of teacher like who is

this bitch who is this dumb fuck

join april 2021 democratic planning tssi

anti-ml anti-capitalist anti-fascist

anti-everything

look at this coping bitch

democratic planning

they have a fucking wrestling fucking

profile picture

this is what happens when people are

bluffing about credibility oh hans must

be dumber than everyone todd couldn't

possibly be knowledgeable about any of

this shit has automatically has to be

dumber or else my whole fucking coke

world view collapses and breaks down

fucking coping bitch

okay give me a sec

all right

give me one moment

we're gonna go uh back to amer

and uh destroy

guys go at him on discord he's claiming

that no one added him

stop lying they all added

you already

everybody go go spam them everybody go

spam them spam the fuck out of them

just spam the fuck out of them

sorry you're s

talking entirely out of your ass

assuming

raising these