UKR-RUSSIA TRUTH (EXPOSING DISINFO) / LIES ABOUT RUSSIAN CASUALTIES [2022-03-22]

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got jailed for

showing a pro russian perspective so they're really terrified of of

continuing to report

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that that would play

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yeah but if you live in one of these baltic countries or one of these european countries which i think as we knew some of them do

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that's pretty terrifying prospect to be have to report from there did you see that this is using civilians as human shields

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yes i did but i i thin that nothing none of that's new right

to be completely honest i i thought this operation was going to be completed much much sooner than now right it's it's march twenty second and i thought at least mary op would have been taken by now right but then again i don't know anything about what's going on on the ground to be

don't have insider knowledge i they keep it all under wraps so i don't know what the fuck is going on but i said this before the u s took one month over a month to take iraq right and that was a full scale war where they didn't give a fuk about civilian casualties or anything like that

i think one of the signs one of the clearest signs of ukrainian desperation and the fact that the ukrainians are in retreat the ukrainian military that i can gather is the utter viciousness coming from the ukrainian side you have doctors talking about how they want to castrate russian soldiers there trying to pkeople oppos they're committing all these atrocities doing all this vicious

hit mean to me that's a sign that you're losing it's if you're if the ukrainians were winning then i don't think you would be doing all this extremely vicious shit you know like like this is what this was basically going on right now like they're to they're telling the west and they' reporting to the west the're like

the're like they're like we're beating the russians back we fuck i have the hiccups now i hate my life gve me a second

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all right yeah we're starting to see from the pro ukrainian side you know like there's this kind of we're kind of getting this stance which is basically like oh yeah we're beating the russians back we're doing a fine great job everything

is completely fine and then they're like we somes russian so fucking much ri and they're like fucking seething and it's like so like they're telling the western press one thing and then like they're having all these freudian slips where they're literally just shaking and seething with anger and it's like where's all that anger coming from right it's really the question you have to ask

and actually that's something i can answer that's actually something i can answer right i can tell you where some of that sieving is coming from

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hi

so

let me explain to you what we're looking at here right

this is probably one of an indication of why there's a lot of so much seething and so much hatred that's coming from the pro ukrainian side

this is probably a pretty good example of why that is

so this is a case of

reeditors that are posting by the way guys i think later today we're going to do g t r p just letting you know

later in the stream

but we have some reditors here

and we're going to

we might have to make a new character

ah

but um yeah we're going to we're going to get back on track with our g c r p but anyway m

ah

so these people went on to read it

right

and while they were on read it

they are

they posted a picture goosebumps glory to ukraine

slava ukraani live and these are

read it volunteers who travel to ukraine

a in order to fight for the pro ukrainian side and putin and fight those russians

and they posted it to redit and you can see this is a editor right here he's got his legs crossed its a destiny viewer here ejee jeers all over

no posh viewers whatever the hell they all were raditters that went to read it to go fight for the pro ukrainian side

let's look at some of the comments

beautiful simply beautiful

like a quintin tarenttino film in front of us

now i want to tell you if you don't gind not familiar quintin tarantino films are particularly known

or being extremely brutal and graphic and violent and stuff

um

you know

so yeah they're like they're very brutal right

these are just volunteers went to ukraine they're going to be i mean the ukrainians are winning there's what should be the problem right

wow gave me shivers and they're going to brutally brutalize those russian soldiers like an aquinin zero zero film right

moving

i'll read this to you you can't see it

isn't this the kind of video that can be used to locate ukrainian troops

how can it

look at the barrack also people can locate you based on sound alone ok so they're like ok you're stretching

the barracks were confirmed destroyed in a massive early airtrike

and i looked into this and it's true

a day after this video went up online

the geo location data in this video directly pinpointed the exact location of the base

and it's very likely that everyone in this video was killed

and that there's a good chance that this video got them killed

yes and those guys are all dead now i believe they bombed another barracks

wonder if this place got shelled like the other one that got posted

so what we're starting to see and this is just an indication of

how well the ukrainians are performing in this war is

look if you want to say that the ukrainians are fighting ok

how come every time readitors go to ukraine they just die

it's like

and it's not even like ok maybe ten percent cas like one hundred percent of them die almost right

it seems like almost every volunteer who goes to ukraine

ends of debt

i'm and what do you still believe in those high russian casualty numbers

when it's very clear that there's probably really high casualties on the other side i mean

that's like the best experiment you could possibly have right you go to anotherk you're going to go to ukraine and then immediately what you russia finds you and you're done

why do you think the ukrainian military is doing that right

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so these are raditors who win to ukraine

go fight russians

a and

they will never be

they'll never be home again they're gone forever

uh you know these are the you know the sunflower mem that

plant these seeds because there's going to be sunflowers growing from your dead russian bodies

well

seems like it was projected

look

um i don't

all i have to say about this is that

these reditors are so fuck and vicious they are such

vicious scum

the way they've attacked me endlessly and smeared me

the way they've issued threats against me and my friends and my close friends

even women that they're sending these death threats to and all this horrific fucking shit

um

absolute viciousness coming from the pro ukraine side right

uh but it's actually

you know it's it's interesting like they go to ukraine and like yeah i read it we're all in this together the whole world ukraine ukraine ukraine because the whole fucking internet

and the media's talking about it so it's like they're part of this like

collective identity

first read it

what we did

was we beat drump

then we went to ukraine

then we protested for black lives matter then we wore our masks and then they'd like thiss this whole fucking online

read it i then then we played eldin ring

take

you know read it is this kind of this

ing but in this case it leads to death

you know i don't think reridters ever expect this's going to be like a far cry game we're going to go join the resistance and i'm going to be a real life

call of duty far cry character

and then

like a day later

you know it's just

i have a question

look

since i care about human lives so much

don't you think it should be illegal to travel and go fight for the ukrainian as a volunteer

why is that even legal in this country why is that even fucking legal

that's not i shouldn't be legal

that should be illegal

you should not be allowed to go travel to another foucken country

you know to fight a nuclear armed superpower you just shouldn't

ok it's extremely reckless

you want to talk about censorship

reporting about potential research facilities

as victorian good guys get this

just merely talking

about biological research facilit facilities in ukraine

we'll get you platformed from most big tech websites

but calling on people to literally go get themselves killed

is completely allowed you're allowed to just

advocate to go get yourself killed to go you know endanger people's lives

is that insane

you're allowed to go advocate for people to literally die in a conflict

but you're not allowed to report about biological research facilities

amiro you have to i don't know what that is but you can't fucking link that here

holy shit

i really think mad should know better you know if you're a mod you should know better and you just got mauded recently

so

n it don't matter

it doesn't matter

this use common sense

right

yeah it's an easy way to compile a list of

domestic militants

but the thing is that these are all like biden

people you know

do you think dark maga can be stopped

i don't actually know what dark maga really is

so it's a tough question

i'm not actually sure what it is

um

yeah that's all i could really say

dark

i don't know what how fringe it is or how popular it is so we'll see

but

i think because of the batman film that's why i take it a little more seriously because it

the aesthetic is riighte for the times

it's the right aesthetic for the times it seems like to me

check this out guys

holy shit

we do not forgive

and we do not forget

anonymous

legendary hacker group anonymous hacks into unsecured printers all across russia and begins mass printing information on putin's invasion including russia losses in hope to buy that

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does anyone doubt that anonymius was always an oper

is anyone

doubt that it's an op

kate's always been a fucking ub

py twenty twelve was an op this all of this shit was an op

anonymous

anonymous will continue your it's like the most fake shit ever of holie fuck it's like

it's like the most pretend

make believe law

it's like the most pretend make believe larp

of a fucking like hacker right

like i'm a ri i'm a rebel i'm anonymous this is fucking hot this is the hot topic revolutionaries right

yeah these are mr robots fan fucking

hot topic revolutionaries where they're like yeah we're rebels yeah we're hackers

but we're also good and you know what to be honest

it's kind of what black shirts were right

and the brown shirts they were kind of like these

thugs who pretended to be rebels but were really

fighting for the status quo the whole time

you know

i feel like that's what anonymous is

and tifa and anonymous are literally the same thing and tifa they're the same shit they're the same fucking

government fake revolutionaries fake rebels

dark maga is the end of humanitys we know it's

why

why would dark maga be the end of humanity

i really think

nick land is should get all the credit for dark maga

you know

when you think about it this is nick land's moment

this is nick land's moment it's his thing

i think he deserves the credit honestly i do

i think this should all be

given to nick lan he should get the credit for all of it

you know

the dark moger shit ya

that's that's that's nick lance honestly it is

it's his thing

you know that's his vibe that's his style that's like his that's been his shit for he's never getting

he didn't get credited for it

come on

bas

just really quick in some infrared drama news

i don't know if you guys know the guy harkin

guys it's haiking

and

socialism is really about democratic control over the means of production

as a master dialect i have foreseen the end of humanity multiple times

but i fear dark maga is far too trapped into the occult and satanism and will bring the day of reckoning i don't

i don't know dude i don't i don't know what that

so if you guys remember how team was like ben sitting

he was like

it's major fence sitting about the fucking um

he was major major fence sitting

nw destiny sent i'm sorry jackson sent me something

he was like major major fence sitting about the conflict

and he was like we oppose the capitalist class of both sides

some shit like that

and i'm like ok

this is what they fucking do when when they're actually under pressure

they start like both sides in it when this immediately went down immediately i was for proof

pro russia pro putin immediately no hesitation right

but hawkim was like well wait a minute wait a minute

or the whole you know

all these fuck and fake m ls pay tribute

to liberalism they pay tribute to whatever astroturf fucking trend is

and

yeah

thank you mad mathao for the sob sorry i missed that

yeah like

yeah either day one or you'r fucking fraud that's when it matters

don't like pretend to be

you know critical of the pro ukrainian narrative after the after it doesn't even matter anymore and you're fucking relegated

to a marginal position howkim you could have used your very large

platform

to immediately fight and dispel propaganda about this conflict

and instead you decided to both sides it like a fuck and pussy dude we're never going to forget

what you said on the first day of this conflict we're never actually going to forget that

we will never ever forget that

thank you sir

holy fog

anonymous gift oh first of all got

we need fifty subs sch has to be the kadiro thing

it everything above twenty has to be the kidir off thing

so but thank you so much holy fox

thank you so much

yeah over fifty has definitely gotta be the kod deer of one

we gotta definitely have that kidar of one over fifty

but on thank you so much manpreciated the ton

thank you so much anonymous

should guys should i get rid of the dancing one too isn't that kind of silly

should i get rid of that one and replace it

i think it's time to replace it no no we're going to replace it with something epic

no you know what okay this is what i want now this is what i want now

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thank you so much nob thank you so much nobre no that's fifty subs

i want the eurasia theme

ify subs this is the song i want to play let me ask me

the eurasia theme at fifty subs

and you know that photoshop thing of me with like uh

the like mes gang is con or whatever on the twitter

make show that and then play this

just play this andke it make it last like twenty five sec make it last thirty seconds

make it last like thirty seconds

and then have it like the photoshop of me as a

whatever and make it last like thirty seconds

yeah it should be thirty seconds for the fifty gifted sonb for that

that's what it should be

and then i'm going to get rid of the dancing one

for ten gifted subs and replace it with something else i don't know what i'm going to replace it with yet

but im

yeah

anyway

ah let me continue

oh

lot of crazy shit

go a lot of crazy crazy ships

ok

this one's interesting

this is a very interesting so

bashaar al asead

has chimed in on his views about the conflict

just get the right

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and i have to say he raises a pretty good point

cannot lie

but

ok let's check this out

this is a pretty good point

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he's a very staunch pro israel figure

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yen hub the reason i'm covering it is because the way

the way the sub it's a little coarse it's not necessarily like a

it's not necessarily like wrong it's just the way he's phrasing it is a little coarse you know

as moladed were

yam has that you know be

and i'm whate

and i'm not sure if it would be acceptable

right

youar

but uh

yeah

check this out guys

now facebook has lifted a banning on the

antirussian propaganda

this is an ad that is being post to facebook which is saying that every russian is responsible

and it's posting sculls

on top

of a map of the this is not banned on facebook anymore

you guys remember we covered this

that there was an e mail sent out

to facebook moderators

which was explaining

that they are no longer taking action

against calls of violence against russians

so now facebook

is openly platforming the genocide of the russian people

you know

you know on facebook you can't talk about biological laboratories

or research facilities as victoria nwlan called them

but you are allowed to share nazi exterminationist

genocidal propaganda against russians

the cia's much worse in the cage to be much much worse

the worst thing about censorship isn't even just

then a lot of things become hidden and swept under the rug

and no longer accessible

the worst thing about censorship

is the way that this shit gets like

you know like

if there was no censorship and you saw this

you might just say ok whatever right that's just like some random whatever shit you saw

but the fact that there's censorship and they allow this they basically give youing a message not only are they not going to take action against this

this is openly endorsed by facebook as acceptable

see that's the real can of worms of censorship

when you start censoring shit

you're basically saying ok

we're making a conscious decision to regulate the messaging

that we platform

based on what our views are right

so

it's even worse that they're allowing this because not only are they just allowing it they're also saying they pretty much

agree with it

it's valid and it's legitimate

the worst thing about censorship

is the way in which certain voices get legitimated

by big tech platforms

and guys this is a very subtle point i'm making

so literally listen to what i'm saying it's a very subtle point that may fly over your head

if you don't understand it

but understand it like this

the way censorship works is that if you don't censor anything or little to nothing you're basically oka whatever

that's none of that's not my problem i have nothing to do with that so that's fine right but when you start censoring stuff

this stuff that starts to become available

you're basically legitimating it

right you're making it legitimate

how do you know this isn't a fake ad

well this person would have had to photoshoped

which i just think is a stretch

lavroth

since the nineteen ninety s the west repeatedly attempted to stall independent and autonomous development of russia

despite our openness and willingness to conclude treaties and base our security on equal rights

rejecting the idea of strengthening one security at another's expense

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yes censorship proves a conscious decision

is being made on what is allowed that's what i'm sure yeah that's exactly it me se

if putin was black

they would support russia

no they wouldn't

mugabe was black and they hated mugabe

ah the leader of ethiopia is black and they hate him

buckin julius melema is black and they hate him they smear him in the same fucking way

if what are you talking about

by the way putin is kind of

putin is a p o c we have black putin in our serves am

ok

black putin is actually in our server and he's a mot ok

so that's completely debunked anyway

and putin is poc putin is pioc

houtin is a person of color

and black putin is in our server and he's a model

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so

let's get it straight

nobody knows what lysenco's skin color was kate

lysenco may have been a black man no one knows

we only have black and white photographs we don't really know

he could have been

he could have been

he could have been

we don't know

it is not known

did you see this person taking shots no i did not

no i have not

anyway

lave yeah

yeah putin may have descended from pushkin

and pushkin descended from a black nobleman who came from africa who was from africa

and became when it started one of the noble families of russia

and putin could have descended from them which means

sit listen

since black is not based on skin color

if putin is descended from puskin

phutin may be a black man

he may may be one

it's possible

it's possible

pushkin this if

whoshkin was

from one of the russian royal families that was started

by uh

an african who was appointed

did you see malemma's speech saying that they support russia yeah i covered it

the eff is fully behind russia

and because of that

the a and c had the courage under rama fosa to support russia too basically they were like

ramaphosa blamed nato

the leader of south africa

right

that's actually what it means to push a candidate left

ok

who is this

this is the commander of land forces

is this guy from

ya okay this is uganda okay

majority of mankind

support russia's stand with ukraine putin is absolutely right

when the usasw park nuclear missiles in cuba the west was ready to blow up the world over

now when nato does the same they expect russia to do differently

based

bas

absolutely bass

they are fuck nato honestly fulk nato

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you has noticed some of the most based leaders in the world are african you ever noticed that

you notice that african leaders

we defy the west

are more conservative and based

then conservative politicians in america you ever noticed that

you'ver notice that

also i'm not saying i support him because i'm not allowed to

i'm not allowed to so i obviously i don't support him at all

what edia mean

i'm pretty sure he was like way more

problematic

as far as his views were concerned

then

you know some fuck in

republican politician in america ok

mugabe's selected quotes on women are those real

let me see hold on give me a second

bas

what does mugabe say is this real

this is actually real

mugabe said

you cannot give a woman everything she needs if god himself gave them eyebrows

they shave it and draw on them

god gave them nails they cut it off and fix their own

god gave them hair they cut it off and fix their own he gave them breast they repackage it to what they want

god gave them buttucks

they arrange it to the size

if god can satisfy them then who are you to think you can please them

my brother is this real

did he actually say this

is this acxually real

i've s yea i don't know

interesting

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so i' if you guys don't know

there's a youtuber in latvia

you got detained

ah

because he was you know he was a pro russian youtubeer was name was kve

better off

and the russian foreign ministry says we are outraged by another fact of gross violation of fundamental human rights in latvia

with a well known internet bloggter

blogger kyril federov

was recently detained for his assessment of the russian special military operation in ukraine

yap

rigo once again demonstrates that its international commitments regarding freedom of speech access to information

to which it has subscribed

mean nothing in practice for it

we demand the immediate release

of the independent expert kirol fedarov in an anti lawlessness

the journalist community must also have a say

it's an empire of lies guys

it's an empire of focc and lies

are you guys paying attention

is everyone actually paying attention to this does anyone actually give a fuck

let me put this in mathematical terms to you

someone in latvia

literally got detained

because they were expressing opinions on you tube

that

we're pro russian

that

and there is not a peep

from any of these pro democracy ng os

or anywhere else is anyone paying attention on what's going does anyone care no one cares anymore if i ask these ukraine flag people

if i ask them they're going to be like i don't care at least our side is winning what is your side even fighting for y at this point we're fighting for liberal democracy and freedom of speech you're fighting for liberal democracy and freedom of speech

all of these baltic countries have completely outlawed any freedom of speech zelenski has banned every opposition party and all of the media is now consolidated and is under the control of the ukrainian government and there's one channel all the media has been consolidated there's no opposition media whatsoever that's tolerated and if you want to fucking just come out here and say

that oh well that's just because oh ukraine's in a state of war how do you explain all the fucking censorship that's going on in europe

you know this is really a really fucked up and sad moment conservatives in america have been talking about the dangers of big tech censorship for nearly a fucking decade

and we are now past the point of big tech censorship and we're starting to see people in liberal democracies actually go to fucking jail

because they are expressing certain opinions

and there is not a fucking word or a peep from the so called free world

and let me tell you what they're going to try to bring that shit to this country

you know i don't know how many comments i get from people that are like i can't wait till the u s starts throwing people like you in prison for supporting russia

we don't care though do we because we're complacent we're just sitting around we're having beers and we're just

getting by day after day and nobody's doing anything about this nobody's doing anything about this

we've been turned into a passive flock of sheep who have been completely numbed and pacified

to every encroachment on our fucking civil liberties you want to know why i supported the truckers in canada why every one asked me why fucking supported them

because they're the only ones doing anything about it

we're literally just rolling over and taking it

we're rollin over and taking it there's no resistance anywhere being offered none

it's cause all culture has been eroded through corporate ideologies

it's

look guys i want to i got to explain this to you because a lot of people don't understand how this works becuse we live in this internet age

of complacency and all thisse kind of shits let me explain it to you

the burden of defending democracy

you have ellen degenerate are you live on twitch right now

the guys let me tell you something the burden

you are

who's ellen degenerate

who is that

the guy i was supposed to fight

is it on discord

is it on discard

ok if you have me as a friend on discord just add me to whatever

i'll join

give me one second

so guys listen

listen guys

what i'm trying to actually say here is that

what we don't understand in this country anymore

which we don't understand in this country anymore

is that

we are becoming like babies

who are used to mommy

right

we forgot the fact that the burden of defending our civil liberties

and our democracy if we have one so called democracy the burden i should say of defending our republic

our constitution and our civil liberties is on the people iff if it the people don't

safeguard these liberties they were fucking disappear

they will completely disappear

just because we have a fucking constitution doesn't mean we're protected

that constitution is a piece of paper it's the people that make it enforced and make it a real fuckin thing

and a lot of people are losing

any understanding of that fact and that's why we're had we're being rolled over and all of our fuck and civil liberties are being eroded because people forgot

that it's the people that make it real

without the people it's just a piece of paper and it doesn't fuck and mean anything

okay

waiting

allright i'm going to hop into this room

the job was that

so what is this about what is this obese spoken guy

this why have you been avoiding me let me show it looks like hold on

this is what he looks likee this is two guys if you don't know

this is the guy the picture yeah with shut the fuck up shut the fuck p brian i'm going to focus on like you i muted him so guys if you don't know this this is the guy a few weeks ago

who destiny was retweeting to like

he sad oh haws is such a pussy hazs is not going to meet up he's going to run away from another fight whatever right

so this is the guy that like kept fucking messaging me on twitter and kept posting pictm come and haws'm coming

i knew he wasn't cause the time didn't even fucking match up

ah that he was supposed he was like i'll be there in four hours and literally like twenty minutes later he was like i'm an hour away

and then literally five minutes later he was like posting pictures of him there

so

but the reason i did it is because like everyone all of g you all these people hodes you're such a perk and pussy you're not going to show up i wasa like you know what

i'm going to go i'm going to go there just to prove it right so i went there and literally no one was there

and this guy then said that i called the police on him and

and then destiny then said that this guy's my sock puppet and i like i put him up to the whole thing

and now what they're trying to say is that i paid him not to show up

so let me show you what this guy looks like let me show you because we didn't actually get to see what he looks like

uh i didn't even know what he like i saw his profile picture but like i didn't know was this fucking bat so actually let me show this to you

um

because this is absolutely like yeah this is what he looks like is this is him

so you guys can get a good look

at what we're dealing with

so that's the guy

o let's on well before you got her yeah one was saying that he paid you

fifty dollars

through vinmo

to you paid me you paid me

oh i'm sorry yeah the other way around that you paid him fifty dollars to not show up

that he drove there you didn't come

and then you paid him fifty dollars to not come

that's what he's alleging

uh

do i have the venmo

ok show us the venmon

it's in the v c chat right now pull it up n no pull it up on your phone not on the v c chat

hold up on my phone yeah okay

and i'll actually pull up venmol on my phone

o ok you used a different account it's at hot i know your usual counts at has infro this one was at

oh no for has this one was at has and for you're just going to pull up a different account i have you know my ven mo is literally my personal name it has nothing to do with my twitch account you oh yeah you couldn't create a new account that quickly i'm not fucking stupid ok so that's why you're hiding from me a know on w right ight listen listen if if ok

if uh if i did pay you then you should be able to like

show us

and not screenshots because those can be edited but like pull up discord or twitter logs or text messages of me telling you hey you if i give you twenty dollars w go away with that

here the schiw remember the night of i message you to call me and that's the conversation we had

and that's my phone number

no that's my phone number i gave to you and you called me

so you know my number is that

no because i use a text free

and i deleted so what what number did i use to text you and tell you that what you think i' fucking memorize the number

how about this send me fifty dollars on venmo to prove it to me

destroy this line youw doesn't even fucking exist anymore because you made it and then deleted it

ellen this sounds super sauce yeah i don't he's fucking sauce and that's why he's not you know what youly giving you money though to

for you to not show up like he can just tell you to not show up if he wanted do to not show up why would he go the he would know i would keep showing up

he would know he would show up

i don't know

oh yeah he's not going to he's not going to show up when i come to detroit on friday

uh so um

are you going to show up on detroit in friday or not

ah absolutely not no you had your chance wow

no you're not going to do it

absolutely not no you're too afraid

you know it's actually brittany riightrefrad justin in brit you know it's hilarious is that

so i kept saying i was so angry at this i kept saying i was like ok if i do this i'm done and like i don't want to hear shit from anyone ever again

and like what will they say if i go right so i win

and now the narrative from that whole community is based like oh my god haza such a clown for showing up why would anyone show up to that yeah it's like damned if you do damned if you don't big man if you're man then just show up friday

but he did show up i did so yeah he paid me not to show up and then now i'm coming back friday i'm going to post videos of me being there and you're not going to show up on doesn't this w guys doesn't this guy post literally every tweet i make he's there

cly shit is still at it

okre you fucking little bitche this guy's still at it

all right let's go then let's go come on big man

this is you you're the guy who's always talking shit on twitter this is actually what you look like

i'm going to hold you by your beld literally if i if i say anything more i'll get banned from twitch but holy shit he gives me big chris ian vibes what about you guys

he gives me big big christian wives

major chris chan is that why you're not going to show up friday

you're not gonna show up does he still have me muted

i'm absolutely not going to show up now

wow fucking coward beta couck has

but you had your chance

why would i give you're getting a new chance a real man yeah and then and then and then if if you pull some bullshit again you're just going to keep doing this forever right

no i'm going to show up and i'm going to i'll confront you and then after that i'm going to con

i'm going to just keep confronting these dumb ass twitchtreamers that build their

ideas what shut up you bald little bitch

k let's can i see your hairline actually because you have a really weird hairline

yh

what

you have a big ass forehead dude i'd rather be bald than have that big ass forehead i'm going to be honest

okk four foot seven so would you describe yourself as an obese person

i would describe myself as the person that's going to see you friday except you're not going to show up because you're a beta cux soyboy p m c daddy's money yet yeat you might you might never work you walk in in their life

you might be able to see me but i don't see your beard connecting anytime soon so how are we going to i'm go to be connect yeah but this person with the sub par everything is still going to be able to trounce you if you ever do anything in person i'm going to be in detroit friday and you're not going to show up because you're so boy baitic why did why didn't you show up last time

because you paid me to not show up and i wanted to take yeah but you know what ok hold on me and you both that's not no that's not true so why didn't you really show up last time

you paid me fifty bucks i have why don' we have d m s of you telling someone that you're not actually going to show up or make m

really okay so

if the person can provide the live recording of those d m s are you still going to call them fake

yeah

really so how would they fake a live recording of those d m s i don't know but the're going to findm are fake but the n mos not

yeah you know that because he's not going to show up friday you're right i do know what's all fake if it was all fake he would have no problem just coming to do it again so so you launch are you gating has you launchight you launched a career you you launchting

you've launched a career twitch streaming how many views do you get ot i don't call this a career

really well you're trying a kickstart one clearly how's it been working out for you

you talking about i think you got a little excited here's here's what i think happened i think you got a little excited and i think i know listen bm hey listen you're a fucking bum first of all

and you got a little excited that you're going to be able to start making that eas money a little you started you started getting but you started getting a little excited have you done

you started getting excited that you might be able to you and you're so like working class and everything what you don't worry about it you startedus you haven't because your daddy's paid for everything why you i can literally hear the estrogenic tone coming out of your voice

you started getting town yeah you sound like a a hurling screeching bench asking you you sound like you sound like a hurling screeching benche yeah so listen listen so don listen

ah

i even forgot what i was going to say what do you now what are you asking i forgot what i was going to say

fucking hiding haz over here

what was i going to say guys did you guys remember what i was going to say

you're going to be a little bit should not show up friday because you know you can't take a real man

oh yeah yeah yeah so you're a bum right

and now you think you're going to make a living h being able to stream and stuff because destiny like temporarily gave you like some

attention you realize that your whole significance for throughout your whole life

and told thelisten the entire significant listen the entire people so it's hilarious the entire significance listen the entire significance of your whole life your whole fifteen minutes of fame your wo fifteen minutes minutes of fame was just to be used as a troll against me your whole fifteen

your whole fifteen minutes of fame was to be used as a troll against me

helen

ellen really quick though imagine like okay imagine you're on like a jury right and you're trying to figure out like what's true what's not true

and the person the the suspect right they're like

well you know

yeah he called me but

it was on a text aap and i deleted if that was the only evidence and i was unable to show if i wasll did i call the police on you

i had to come up with something after you f way so you have a record of lying that means you're no longer reliable ok but i'm not lying about friday on ellen you literally have a track record of lying you just admitted to lying about me calling the police on you yeah because you're too dumb to come up with why would you give me this ammunition i literally have you live on stream there a lot you know a lot of people believe ellen have ellen did you know a lot of people actually believe that

there on you believe i believe that you're yet and now no one doesight and now literally no one does because you just confirmed it was a lie for e howard

you can't stand in front of a real man i'm going to be in your city all friday and you're not going to do shit

ky what if i told you i don't even live in detroit

i don't well you're clearly close enough to fucking drive to lansing so you can drive to detroit i live way closer to lansing actually to be honest ok i'll go to lansing i don't give a fuck

um i mean you can go to lansing

ok then you're not going to show up

mm no i'm probably not a little bitch

yeah i don't know well i did to be but here's the thing ellen

i gave you a chance to prove yourself and i said i'm not going to do it again because i'm a little bitch

how about this if you pay me two hundred dollars i'll show up

all right back

i have to hand it to you in person though

no you're going to send it to me beforehand no you're going to if you if you come to lansing next friday and you pay me two hundred dollars

drew paypal also up

two hundred dollars in cash hand it to you the fact that you want on pay pal means you're you going to take the money you know i'm not going to taketing hiding has

your ancestor spit on your image they hate you

so allan

uh do you consider yourself a tough guy

i'm tougher than you

how many fights have you been in

i don't know i've been bouncing in clubs for like the last couple years

the what

you've been in a lot of fights

i've been a bouncer at bars yeah are you like the obese backup bouncer they have when the the other one isn't showing up

no there's fatter people than me

yeah so are you like uh so what about you is significant

in terms of what i'm not by the way i would never down you're a bouncer because i do think you bounce a lot especially when you walk

but yeah

saying his

yeah of course yeah i'm hiding hicause you're you're so you're hiding yeah because you're you're so scary dude

anyway ways sarier than you

no sor who do you plan on challenging who do you plan on challenging after me

jackson hinkele would be fun

yeah but he would never you realize he would never entertain his dumbshit because yeah he's too busy sucking the dick of like assad and getting paid by fucking oh actually you know what you known be better since you're too much of a little fucking pussy to show up in person why don't we actually debate i'm showing why don't we know you had your chance and you fucked it up so why don't we actually going to hide why don't we actually debate about what it is that makes you so fucking but heard about me and jack

ekson

oh i just don't like what yeah ws ust so mad yeah ma 's the super macho posturing the yeah the bullshit atrocity of thei ok let's go let's go there let's go to the atrocity deni so what atrocities have i denied

the chemical attacks in syria would be one

ok so if vosh himself had to bitch out of that debate in rage quit and he was 'table to hold his own what makes you think you're going to be able to actually prove

that jackson was in the wrong

because i'm more of a man than you and hah o ok so go ahead and succeed where vosh failed

on that debate

all right so let's go to that video do you want to show up that do you want to show the video

of the of the canister hitting the roof

yeah but

the but jackson inkle already addressed like all the details round so what did jackson get wrong how did he address them

he pointed out how the o p c w inspectors

initial reports

yh but what why why was everybody at the bottom of that apartment

and why did the gas

that actually the burden the burden of proof is not upon us to explain the details of that footage because that's fot on because that hod on that footage could be explained in like dozens of other ways it's not the burden of proof is not on us to explain the footage

how do you explain the canister being so here's the thing the video here's the thing it's not our job to explain that it was the o p c ws job to explain that and know that's what they were waiting about

they had a investigation to explain precisely that and they failed to actually incriminate assad hiding ous

it doesn't seem like i'm hiding here it seems like you're hiding

i'm not hiding bitch you are hiding here little bitch

come make me a bitch friday i'm already made you my bitch for life your w face you can face is going to be attached to the word bit until your dying day other your face will be used

as an example of a bitch for the rest of your life

never never

yeah the rest of your life what was the canister white by the way in the video was the canister white in the video

why what's these significance of that question the canister that display that sprayed out the chlorine

why was it white

and then yellow and then tarnished

later why why w why again that was the o p c w job to investig you c w i want to know why you think that

i actually don't know why it was that's why it had to be investigated have you ever cleaned your fucking keyboard before

ah what's the point

no i'm asking have you everu have you ever used the like air thing to clean your keyboard

the error

error like a little what can of air to clean your keyboard you know i'm talking about right like aerosol

i don't know what you're talking about

oh ho i have on

here

one of these

you ever use one of these before

okay

know what what happens when you release air out of this

what what happens to the can

what i think you should i think they should hire you you're like you're doing this all but you're a great investigator all by yourself

are you too should hire you do you need some medication is the o c p w in the room with you right now

well they're the ones who are tasked with investigating the culprit of this attack what is happening to this can as i release air what what is happening to it right now tell me

' the riddler from batmans important just as important tell me why

what is happening what is happening to my hand right now what sensation do you think don't show this to the international criminal courts because this might incriminate assad assad's over after they see this this is like quite the investigation what to my hand right now look at my streaming what is in my hand right now don't give a fuck no look at my hand right now what is in my hand

no

o no tell me what's in my hand

no tell me what's in my hand right now i'm not looking you sure yeah well un soil you do we're not going to really get anywhere are we look at my hand getting cold

why is my hand get my hand is getting warm why is my hand getting warm

your dick and bowlls i don't fuck yeah exactly you can't even explain this explain this what is this

well so this yeah and gets told when air is coming out of it yeah cautious call refrigeration yeah is why and a process of a condensation is why yaped

you know the so it was frost so yh air yeir exactly there's air inside this too can you explain that and then the canister so that means that yeh they can't is a canister of air to a little explain this you lok you you got o just falking owned you

so

what did you actually prove jus i just proved it bam you prove that the canister got cold

yes i prove yet why did it get cold though what was inside it and leaving that made it cold

it could literally be wtingr mom's pussy jew it doesn't matter what what's that canister less than like a month later looks like it just gotten ok out of the ocean the know why so so if you want to make the argument

if you wanted to make the argumentun if you wanted to make on it looks like it was so corroded less than a couple months later hey you dumb screeching banshee fuck you are literally a stupid tking screeching literally a stupid person you were genuely me in person you are genuinely a stupid fucking person little bitch if you wanted not if what you wanted to do was make the

argument that there's somehow indisputable video evidence

that some kind of canister was released with chlorine gas that still does not prove asad was the culprit

so you think the rebels had ha isn'tight ok let me explain to you let me explain you how criminal law works in every country ok're going to be doing that when you're done screaming like a fat ass i'll explain to you how yeah i'll explain to you how criminal i'll explain you how criminal law works in every single country i don'ttmal if you

cannot establish someone is victim guilty of a crime

that the burden of explaining the crime is not on that person we may not know who's guilty of the crime but that person can be exonerated still that's how it works

do you think that carolyn bryant's brothers didn't kill emmet till then

because they weren't convicted of it

that's not what i said is it ok you were just fucking saying needs to be the law no i'm saying that's the standard procedure that's the that's about the standard proed soccording to you according to you the person so according to you according to you because unless unless we know according to you

unless we can prove exactly

who um

was responsible for the placement of the canister in the location that it wastro the airspace

ok unless we can explain who is responsib

unless we can explain exactly did you find the canister in the air did you find it in air thank you k appreciated the sobs did you find the canister in the airspace

the canister was dropped from the earth that was not proven by the o p c ws investigation so it just like spontaneously spawned above it and then just hit it's not assad's problem to prove how it got there it's absolutely not our problem to prove how it got there

yes it is no it's not yes it is

it's literally not

yeah it is because i' explain it you prove that it no i will explain it to yea if you if youll the airspace he can ty he had access to the helicopters he's done this kind of attack before with the exact same kind of harness and exact same kind of canister in other areas his father did it the same fucking way and then you're going to fuck and jerk him off say you didn't do it trying to get off and why was the o investigation not able to

arrive at the same conclusion the o p c w so is the o p c w compromised by his assad

a fuck so you're allowed to not give a fuck about the o p c w but i have to give a fuct about how the canister got to where it was ho on so you don't have to give a fuck about the c ws investigation but i somehow have to give a fuck about how the canister got to where it was right

no because i didn't even need the o p c w for any part of my argument so i never di yet actually experts and being able to investigate this kind of thing and you're not you're not an expert and they are and actually ten even even even tenuous and contestable claims about the facts surrounding the placement of the canister and all the details thereo chanine from the o

c w s reports so everything you even know about this came from the c w in the first place

wllch so that's literally so you it's based in a rationale you can actually argue yet you have nothing i have everything i know who was in control of the airspace i know who uses those helicopters i know that he has done these kind of attacks before i know that the canister hit the top caved in the roof was white at the beginning as it was no you know you don't know all those things

you do not know all those things whatsoever beause is a very react you do not know all those things whats you just like you're going to get your assri you literally don't know all of those things that's the fucking problem

i have we have video evidence people can go look up that video that video ok well it wasn't enough for the o p c w i don't git a fuck

the o p c w literally had to hide the initial reports of the people on the ground who wan to go investigate what happenedm my good bitch the o p c w doesn't like to claim fault for things they just like to say that it happened

that's now what they said

is that what they said

n their investigation was about establishing the culprit

it wasn't about establishing whether it happened but who the culprit was

i've never let's see let's see does the o p c w

they would produce who the culprit of the attack was yes

and they would also know that they would also produce that it was dropped via a helicopter which they did not produce a new p c w team is ready to find the culprits behind chemical attacks in syria

let's look at this the organis is inching closer to try to they have to have a new team was the old team not capable of doing it

i don't give a fuck i never you're like wanting me to go by their like why hy ok why why would you think they're biased as i like that i would be c w be biased

i don't feel the fuck about the o p c i don' fuck about your so called video evidence man so you're just arguing it's fucking shadow people how exactly my losing the argu dro my losing the arguments

you're losing the argument because you can't even admit very basic things like a

fucking air coming out of a compressed container makes no why can't i want why can't i admit that i've never denied that

ok so then you can sede that there was frost on that canister that was in that video that caved in the roof

right

i don't know but i can concede that for the sake of argument ok so and what would chlorine do

to a metal thing that it was released out of it would make it degrade faster right

ok let me just assume all of those things are true it doesn't matter

why ok why doesn't it matter because all that the best that would prove and that's without me investigating anything is that chlorine was indeed released from a canister

in the in that area right on yatio

ok so

how was it droped there

i don't know

helicopters

that's but the o p c w did not establish that

okay so

do do you think that somebody just went up there with the canister it again like youuse your famous words i don't care i don't care how it got there you have to could not establish that it was via helicopters from assad so what was it drop from that it had to be dropped it's not our problem it's not assad's problem and it's not our problem it was the only person that controlled that airspace

it did not even drop from a helicopter

the open c w couldn't even establish it was dropped at all what what they couldn't establish it was dropped from anything

it was

it was it fucking caved in the roof

that also wasn't through yes you can see it was not that the canister through the roof knowo

there's like a million ways to explain why there could have been a cavity in a roof and why a canister could be below that cavity

yeah to get that video pulled up and i'm going to make sure yeah make sure he doesn't pull it up in the the discord because it's not ok

col

all right let's see where it

trying to fit what is even the title of that video i watched it back on the original debate

let's see syria

florine attacks

ok let's

actually

probably not on you tube

third to the do

try bitshoo

ok

that's a good that's actually a good point yeh

c w investigator testifies at the un that no chemical chemical attack took place in duma syria that's what they testedf give a fuck with the c says i clear about what my eyes saw in a video

we had serious misgivings that a chemical attack occurred he added that he compiled evidence through months of research that provided further support for the view that there had not been a chemical attack that's with ian henderson who was on the ground

said i don't give a shit what they say i'm talking about just a specific video

you can't even establish what that video even fucking is

yeah i watched it eight months ago sorry i'm not fucking brainmn and i can't like remember the u r l from like eight months ago sorry you got me there wow so your brain is so ok mit professor of science technology and international security theodore postal claims

that the evidence is overwhelming that the gas attacks were staged that's what he claims

and he also said those are some good fucking crisis actor yeah you're fucking dying on the ground then i'm using his words not mine that's what he's saying

ok i don't give a shit

i'm talking about this one video that we all saw in that one debate recently

let's see where the fuck is this

all right where's the fucking video

tam

on the results show that there is no organo phosphorous nerve agents or their de degradation products were detected in the environmental samples or in the plasma samples taken from alleged casualties so actually it's even more incriminating the team for the o p c w is saying that the results show that there wasn't even any fucking gas released so what you were saying about the canister being fra frosty

and having shown signs of degradation from the release of gas was actually bolsted according to the findings of the o p c w

i don't care what the o p c w sid for one i've seen if you don't care what it team on the ground said why should i give a fuck about anything you're saying in the i've seen the picture of the canister three months later and it looked like it was under the ocean for fucking two hundred years

the only thing that would do that is chlorine

that's not true

what what other what other it could be literally dozens of other things you just said the only thing that it saidly thing could clear i s know it's not and now you're asking me for the exact reason why it looks like that you don't even know any fucking you have zero logic you're fucking dumss you literal dum mass you're a literal dum mass from the point i' said like what and you can't say shit

you're literally a dumb ass there's no there's no ifs or ts or butts about it you're a fuckling dumb asthing else could me i don't care about i don't calare about the o p c w ex grout sad i don't care i don't care about the whistle blowers at the p c w

i shot everybs my argument so why would i give a shit with the fuck they say

why would you give a fuck about what they say

because they were the ones on the ground investigating whatking mask they took samples from the surrounding environmentk samples from the plasma of the alleged casualties and found nothing

why did the op c w not find any traces of the gas in the surrounding environment or in the prisma of the casualties

why not

here i'm pulling up answer the question now answer the question i'm not going to speak for the o p c because i'm not the fucking o p c w oh i finally found the video

all right

finally thank you daily motion

all right daily motion video right here let's see if they show the canister

yet we have kids seizing

all right wait

ah shit this isn't

buckney this is an d

god damn it

never mind

wrong video

thumur at thetor

video video video

you still there

yeah

all right making sure

you know your crowd could help you with the video too and completely obliterate my argument but they're not going to help you find the video because they know makes you look wrong

okay

the video is not evidence of anything

the video is evidence that the canister was white the evidence it's also evidence that it went through the roof

so no it's not that's not actual of how the fuk else

do you think that the whole set it up there and just slammed it through the rebar

there could have it could have been an artillery strike that had already caused a hurl in refuk on building yes

so in are tends to bes through roofs of buildings it's very common imgester

what

and it didn't damage the canister somehow well if the canister did if the canister even release those nerve agents in the first place they would have been able to fucking find

the actual degradation products in the balkings environmental samples were the plasma taken from a legit casualties when did they look for the samples like how long after the attack

they visited the site in april twenty eighth

the when did the attack happen

am you tell me you're the expert on it

i'm trying to the attack supposedly took place on the seventh of april twenty eighteen

so a week later right

they visited the site on the twenty first of april

o okay they had two weeks okay i'm jus this is me being curious i'm curious how long

chlorine evidence of chlorine stays around

i know that it is a highly corrosive element

so it wouldn't surprise me if it is something that like

you know dissipates fairly correctly but not not from the canister right

eight

ma only only the can it wouldn't be detected in the blood samples of the alleged casualties two weeks later

i don't know that i'm not the doctor but this guy is a fucking doctor and he is an expert in a signester the canister had the chlorine in it

for weeks

as o years

and then released it from the inside out it would have had the highest concentration so you're saying this canister was completely corroded which canister in particular are you talking about

the canister that went through the reb and red photographic or video evidence of the canisters degradation did you see exactly because it wasn't from the video because in the video it just got immediately released so you must have seen it weeks or even a year later or something right so what canister

i me

what evidence do you have that this canister is the same one as in the so called video videoe no hold on find the find the exact canister that

you saw it in the video only

let's see' let's go you said it would look like it had been under the ocean hold hold on you said it looked like it had been under the ocean o here here i got it here

so i'm going to pull this up right now i'm

going to copy the u r l

ah from a video because

i'd see it where is it

all right

ok so i'm going to pull this video up right now

dot com

slash' hope it's link so there's a photo of this gas canister right here

uploads

and you're saying it looks like it had been under the ocean and that only chlorine could be responsible for that

o one and you're saying there's frost where's the fucking frost by the way it's in the it's in the initial video if you know it's not because the initialo is when it was aitially released

yet pull up the video then and then it'll completely either make you righte or may right if you want to take those odds go for it

all right

so i got this

right here i'm going to throw it in the chat

he i don't want to derail i just want to say what's up the hos and infrared collected what only

hey what's up man take it easy i'll aciate you man

you' got to propreciate here too

so do you think the corrosion i am i sent you do you think that's normal

which corrosion

i sent you from belling cat

the cylinder corrosion

f j peg

and then it shows yeah we don't even know of first of all

you are not an expert in the corrosion of fucking canisters so you don't know i know can even assuming that's the same one even it's assuming that's the same one

how do you know your

you can

you can fucking look at it

look at it

yeah and that's the only one ever produced of its kind ok let's just assume this is the same one because i don't know i genuinely don't know no i genuinely don't know what you just said was so fucking stupid so do you think that they deliberately aged a canister

and then brought it to over or something like that knowing this attack was going to happen so it's not even just like

oh they're trying to make it look worse they like premeditated false flag everything no i'm not saying they deliberately age canist they could have used any canister that's another canister you're saying it's another canister i'm not actually this is what you don't understand because you're fun of it why are you swing out why are you swing out yes you are

i'm not even i'm not saying anything definitive about this canister i'm just saying it's impossible because you know you can't prove shit

no

you even if i couldn't prove anything that doesn't make asad guilty assad isn't guilty because you something isn't proven he's not automatically guilty and then the burden of us is to prove he's not guilty fuckan carolyn bryant brothers didn't kill himuntill that's what know the details surrounding that were entirely different

well you're saying because he wasn't legally convicted that no i'm saying because the investigators who were tasked with scientifically determining what happened there

leaked in a whistleblower report

that reor that there was no evidence of a gas attack occurring this one video i don't care about any of the other dramaor something like that i want you to explain how a canister

fucking fell ok so not this is why you're a fucking idiot can you can you mute this guy for one second so i can explain

because he keeps fucking interrupting me every time i try to explain it and he's so fucking fat and stupid yeah it would be no actually i'd give everyone a chance to actually say something new what an annoying fat idiot what an annoying fat fuck he literally won't shut the fuck up he literally won't shut the fuck up what a literal fat fuck won't shut the fuck up

can you ask me him for one second just give me like thirty seconds to say this gi me give me thirty seconds ok let him draw but when you ask the question of like how it could have happened i can actually give you a dozen scenarios in which it could happen i can't prove that those scenarios are true but they're just as likely to be true if not more likely to be true than a gas attack by a sod and what that basically fucking means

is every time i fucking do that you go o course you can't prove what i means're wrong no you ask me if there's another possibility for how it could have gotten there of course there is ok now can i prove that's possibility no but the burden of proof is not on me to prove any of one of those possibilities just to defend the fact hold on just to defend the fact that it has not been proven assad did it and that's how fucking evidence works not just in criminal law but in

science as well it's too much of a stupid fuck to understand that so you keep interrupting me there you go

oka can i talk now so you can accuse me of interrupting ok yes so

i you said that there's many different ways

that a cainister would fall through concrete

and rebar

in a perfect way in order to disperse the gasrnt the canister did not have to have fallen through the concrete in rebar at all well it di have to but it did you see don't know if it did or not at all

yeh

here i'm go to let's see it

we don't know if the canister was responsible for producing

that hole in the fucking ceilingre we gore we go

i have the picture right now ok

let's see if this addresses the point go ahead and post the picture

ok i have to i have to do the thing again where i'm just typing the u r l because it's on a youhgube video

you know is this a debate like i don't want to interrupt but no interruptack was a total fake

and i don't believe that you're even trying to show this gas attack as being real i don't care about assad or anything

but the gas attack was fucking fake

aaron matte has a fucking

gre s a little gara whatever dog whatever

that's i don't agree with his politics but he's done the best russia collusion

and the best faked syrian work

that i've seen

out of anybody so that's just me

and i'll just give people credit so anyway i don't want to dorail i'll give my own sources

i'll be back and i'll be listen i appreciate so additionally yeah someone my chats pointing this out

the which even i forgot about the original report shows the hole was even too small for the canister and its harness to fit through that's what the alleged original report alleged

so that's actually evidence

so that it did not fall through the roof

there's actually evidence it did not fall through the roof

according to the initial reports that the o p c w refused to publish because of the political implications

right i got your pictes uh let's see i got the

you got this right here i'm waiting for the smoking gun let's go

all right i'm putting the photo through

let's see where is it

where's the fok

yup

oky

what does that prove

obviously being dropped through fucking concrete

oh so they actually filmed it being dropped

no why is it white and then yellow later white why why why the color change

well done what does this prove this image just gave me what does that actually prove

that is where the canister was deployed

that's where it was

so this is the p so what is the p o be here

that you that is somebody looking up at the ceiling

and the canvasters about to fall through the ceiling

yes

so how come in the second image the canisters clearly above the ceiling with a hole already in it

no that's

the other one is covering the whole

do you not understand that

no i don't understand you're saying what created you're saying this is footage of the canister falling through the ceiling

not falling through the ceiling almost falling through the ceiling it went through the concrete and has it's being caught by the rebar

ok so you're saying that this is evidence

so you're saying that this shows the canister destroyed the concrete

and it got caught by the rebar

yes

you actually believe

that this is what that would look like

yeah

no it's not

okay try and say it incredulously if you want but that is what that would look like no it's not the in no fucking possible terms

could a fucking canister destroy all the concrete like this

why would it's in a place that's getting sheled

because

this

let me show you how stupid this chat

look at this

he's trying to say

he's trying to s he's trying to say let me let me get rid of this he's trying to say fuck

it is he's trying to say

that

it just fell on the roof and got caught by the rebar right here

so it actually didn't fall through the roof now

thato it perfectly fell in did a rebar bro hey i'm going to go i got to put my i got to put the little one in bed brow i'll be back i love this obj

i also it's like the fort dietrich where you know the fucking lab leak you know oh we we got to be careful know thitch is oh

twitn't allow it no more sorry bro yeah they have a new happen

yeah they told us about covid so it's all correct exactly that everything they've told us

yeah vaccines tubro oh sorry y i didn't know i thought you tube was the only one anyway i'll be back

yaes see you later i'll grib my evidence

yeah

yea so

you're trying to say now that

the canister never actually fell through the roof

i'm saying its the picture of it falling a little bit through the roof getting caught by the rebar it displaced the concrete so it never actually fell through the roof at all

i would consider getting caught by rebar underneath where the roof is constituting as a wasn't didn't it actually fall through and hit the ground below the roof

no

are you sure about that

no

ok let's see

did it fall through

i'm asking you

four

i don't see a picture of it falling through that's of it taking later so obviously was it was take it was stayed in that same spot

so they found that case

on the rooftop

what

so ok so the rebar caught the canister but the canister absolutely destroyed all of the concrete

including the concrete below

i probably the falloing concrete below maybe did a little bit of that too

i don't know

i'm not a structural expert i imagine concrete is weaker than rebar

that's why rebar reinforces concrete we don't use concrete to reinforce yeah but look at the scale of damage it's like an exact hole

it' only yet

because that's where the canister fell to displace the concrete

yeah that's absolutely not the case

so let's look at the duma attack canister so in the video is the canister on the ground

no it's not it's on the roof okay

so yeah we have that other yeat the other picture i said through from belling cap

so that so the canister just

conveniently foule right on this hole right

i think the canister created the hole

yeah of course like that's exactly what that would look like right

so what does this picture prove exactly tell me what this picture proves it proves

it was dropped

how

because the whole is the same exact size as the canister

so logically it would make sense to say that no if you according to the initial finding of the o p c w the hole was too small

for that well for the entire thing wy is the hole on the left much smaller than the one on the right

a probably due to chlorine being as what called degradation as it degradative

is that a word

i don't know no that that that would not explain why that is why is the hole on the left much smaller than the one on the right

because that's when it began and then the other one is after chlorine flowed through it for however long it took to empty the canister

so you're saying chlorine melted the concrete

it probably made it weak enough for the other parts of it to fall more and then it was also stt other parts fell more

so like you can kind of see that it's not that great of a ceiling in the left photo right

so

considering chlorine is being dumped over a very highly reactive chemical

and we're still getting shelled

so shockwaves are going everywhere it's not completely out of it's not completely out of to beat you don't to be out of your mind to think that maybe th shockwaves made more of the concrete fall thus the whole get a little bigger well so more shock waves were responsible for the whole getting bigger now

i think that thatk shock waves from what

shelling

oh so that so so

this building was already subject to shelling beforehand

is that what you're admitting

the entire neighborhood was yeah

ok so it couldn't possibly be this whole couldn't possibly have been produced from a shelling it had to have been from this

i think yous very improbable for a shell to create a perfect canister sized hole

this is not a perfect canister sized hole according to the initial reports of the o p c w team according to the o p c w team the hole was too small to have been produced by the canister community can inhale all the copium they want but if you wentt to a random person on the street and said look at this picture do you w if you want to p a random person on the street and you showed them big foot they would believe it that doesn't fucking mean anything

i'm talking about people's eyes not yet i'm talking about people's eyes to if you show people w k in this monster they'll fuck and believe it what is that supposed to proveh that's the same as yeah it is the fucking saying what do you mean you sow random you s random educated person is out of contextre incriminating someone that's the most stupid fucking thing i've ever heard know that's the most stupid shit i've ever heard believe the ghost of

artillery that small of a hole do you have any idea how much fucking is and it depends on the shell of artillery but let me ask you a question what shells are being used that this is it could have literally been anything that made this hole we're going to look up syrian artillery

now no we're not because we are

let's so you're going to go through every type of artillery that syriaing at their borders they use pm thirty sevens

t p one seven pod nos and all these other things i want to see what

let's sae that they use hundred sixty millimeter border two hundred forty millimeter

the smallest millimeter mortar the use an eighty two millimeter mortar

so let's look at the eighty two millimeter border

what a fucking dumas oh yeah

so this is a eighty two millimeter more eight eighty two frag

all right ok thing as let's see it has exx four hundred twenty grams of explosive filling

so for

that is

four yeah forur four hundred twenty four twenty

so that would create a way bigger hole than that

so let's look at four hundred twenty grams of tanery

that is a nother type of explosive filling i'm sure you're familiar with you're from the keep going go ahead this is really i got riveting scot

keep going

i got it it's very important that

we get to the bottom of this you right as a legal thing that you can buy so it will be weaker

than anything

you get

here we're looking at tanarite explosion

what is the what is the metric conversion on this let's see

one hundred twenty grams

why does this guy look like dylan burns from a parallel universe

why do they look like this when burn looks like me

why do they look like this

okay so that's like a pound

so one pound of tannerite explosion

ok i found a pound and a half

so this is this is pretty close to what the explosives would be

from a mortar shell

see

he's going to shoot this let's see

ok

i got the video i'm going to put it in the vc chat

it's at two minutes and twenty four seconds

i want you to tell me that that explosion would create that this size hole

what

the video i puy

it is a pound and a half of tannerite which is significantly weaker with than what would be in that mortar the what are you even saying at this point what more you don't even know what mortar was used or anything like that even know it was artillery

yes i just looked up their smallest mortar

it's eighty two millimeters ok the i i pulled up their motor rounds and they have

four hundred twenty grams of explosive filling

four hundred and twenty grams two pounds is about a little less than a pound

so and then i th use tener i as a control because it's weaker and there are videos of people setting it off can you go ahead and prove to me how this proves that no artillery shell could have produced that whole

because the kind of artillery that would have gone off would have made a way bigger hole the explosion in this is smaller the you don't know that you literally don't know i just proved it

no you didn't prove it he guys he lked me a video of a of a hiccok one two seven that guy who just shoots guns on you tube and he sees as a grenade launcher and he's like he's blowing up a jar of fucking jelly beans

on youtube and he's saying that's evidence ou and a half of tanoright it's showing that the explosion would be way bigger

so the idea that no it's not showing that

how do you know what effect this has on a concrete roof how do you know what effect that would have on a concrete roof

a way bigger than that tiny fuck and hole

you hold on you're literally just showing like a fucking bean bag being blown up

what is being blown up in this video

tor a weaker explosive than what the syrian military would use in their artillery shell

ok and you think that would cause that hole in concrete

no i think that the whole that artillery

the syrian military would use guys let me show you the video let me just show you the video he gave me right

so he's saying that this is proof it couldn't

he's saying this is proof that it could look oo at this

he's saying that would have created a bigger hole in a concrete roof

yes absolutely what you i blown i know i'm what you talking about no it wouldn't have

have you blown shit up before you know gret we're proud midwesterners yeah i've blown up shit before that would that would that wouldw big of a hole in concrete would that have caused

what do you want to like fucking measurement

like what do you want like

it wouldn't even leave a dent

no that would fucking destroy the roof

what do you do would not destroy a concrete group no it wouldn't actually let's get ones counterpoints on firs counterpoints

let's get let's get the vetan who's blo probably blown up more shit than all of us

combined

let's see brittaney do you think can you see if he's on

i don't know if he's on but i can message him if you

yeah i'm goinga d m m

why are we damning him by the way

he's a veteran that blought up a lot of shit and i want his opinion on whether or not the whole a artillery shell from the syrian military would create that small a hole he's in the discord too actually

i what's going on

hoh

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yeat you without referencing the literal initial investigative reports that were meant to determine the actue

how do you feel about jackson hinkele trying you your the video of the guy blowing up jelly what do you what do you have to say about jackson hinkele saying that the people could have just opened a window

what

in the debate with that wasn't his argument at all what do you fucking talking yes he did he did say that don't try to gst light he said that they could have just opened a window and there was a hole in the roof

why

do you think no that's completely out of context that's completely out of i know that's exactly what he said we can pull it up right now you yeah pull it up go ahead

all right

by the way would you want me to bring jackson here too

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n let's go

thats skinny he built like a twelve year old boy

since you're talking about him in

i'll let him defend himself

uhhuh

he won't have a script do you think he'll be ok

i gues i can feel i can feel the awkward silence you guys and on this iight jackson's busy right now but he said if you reach out to him he will definitely debate you

okay

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but im

so you're saying

you're okay so i'll let jackson defend himself so you're since you're debating me

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work it on my camera go ahead

ok so an eighty two millimeter more around from artillery

but if you could drop in the v c text

how big of a hole in a syrian apartment building would that create

on on the from the roof

okay well n number one i wasn't mortars but i probably could research that real quick give me a si and i tred youre you talk about so it debt it detonated or it didn't deton

it would have had to detonate to create the hole

ok

so eighty two

on of that

radio

hedi the mother has a birth radius

twenty five meters a caaround

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so the blak i have no idea what the context of this question is so i have no ability to poison the well the blast radius for an eighty two millimeter mortar around is twenty five meters which is you know basically three point two feet

so you've basically gott to think about a circle

of twenty five meters you know with i think that's the diameter

so give me a second

actually i'll look at it but that's a plass radius red not radius right

blass radiy operative

term

not a hole is not going to make a twenty five foot hole

you know i would make more than towo foot

what about yh you know the eighty but the eighty two millimeters so for instance like i mean if you're talking about so what's the contention

on in a concrete roof

ok so i pulled up this image

if you scroll up in c here i could just resubmit it v c tex

right but none of it matters because a doctor who is on the ground in duma literally not what we're talking about i know i know but this is why i mean you he and that pa i resubmitted it

a

counterpoint your professional opinion does that whole look like it could be created by mortar

wait so ok so if it

yeah if that if that is that like what's in the right

that that's the same canister the reason it's white in the left is because you know like how when you clean your keyboard your can

gets like cold as you're doing it because of aerosol because like auto refrigeration

and that's that's what happened that's frost you're seeing on the same count the dumb point that has was trying to make was that he thinks artillery made a pers no i didn't say that i said we that's not what i see bar is and then listen listen that's go on first of all that's not what i said what i insisted on was that we don't know

the other possibilities of what could have caused such a hole but that

artillery could have also caused the hole because it was shelling

and he's saying o well but this is but i ok so not trying to be addict to anyone

but but a mortar would make sense to me basically because it looks shallow it looks like like kind of like you know almost like a six inches circumference i can't tell because i can't see any scale

but basically if you see this metal wiring or whatever the hell that is that's reaching ross that's rebar

yeah so if that's rebar then what would make sense is like a mortar impact that would then basically if it detonated it would basically land with enough force

blast apart the concrete

leave the rebar in there a majority of the shrapnel and the impact in the explosion would be on the roof not necessarily inside the building

whereas with an artillery shell those bitches are flying so fucking fast

one it would rip through the rebar

and then to you know the detonation basically would have fucked up the that entire room

so a mortar in my

you know limited experience would have that effect whereas artillery would have basically ripped right through that bitch

so do you your professional opinion does it make more sense that

that canister just busted the roof or that something else did it it was placed there

i would need the full context for the stori so i still don't know what i think it's actually over i think that's the only conclusion we needed honesty because that's what we were arguing about

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well so so i guess i guess my question so can somebody walk me through just since you all invited me anyways were talking yeah what what is the original story surrounding this photo and what's the contention

a we were talking about the duma chemical attack in syria

and he said that he does not we do not have enough evidence to say that was a chlorin attack i do say it was a chlorin attack because based on the fact there's a canister that that what you're looking at is somebody looking up at a ceiling

ok that canister dispersed chlorine in through the apartment and that's why everybody was dead spasming with foam coming out of their mouth that with that's not my g ron and then is this is this a helicopter drop because i t

helicopter dropped equally makes sense

hundred percent it makes sense

so well hod on ho yeah see list listen

given all of the biases counterpoints had that now he knows the context

now is the time to be able to like poison the well like when he didn't know what the n text was explain it that's going to be like the most

a honest expressionals a professional yeah but but i can explain it in hopefully a way that would be logical that way you don't think that i'm just like taking aside ok

yeah so i'll try to explain it so so basically the thing that i was talking about originally with like the artillery sholl where i was like hey we just blow the fuck out of this thing right

the reason why i was saying that was because there's different velocities ok

a mortar is like launched up into the air and then the whole point of it like it doesn't have a rocket

ok there's no fuel behind it

it's basically lobbed by a spring like a super strong spring into the air

and then it just comes down in a detonate

the explosive that is a part of a mortar is not designed to take out a building it's designed to take out personnel

so the whole point of a mortar is basically to be lobbed

the velocity is not a part of what makes a mortar work

and then the explosion is meant to take out people

so the reason why i was saying that it's possible for it to be a mortar

is because it looks like it landed on the roof

and then primarily like the damage would have been to the roof

ok

so so basically the blast the shrapnel all that kind of stuff would have been to the roof and not necessarily the room that was in there

but right a hell sorry i'm going to g ive all three ok

the artillery shell

part of its part of its damage is its velocity

like you could literally look up the velocity of a mortar in a velocity of like an artillery shell right now they're probably not even comparable

where mortar would be like it's flaw it's falling out of the air whereas artillery shell would be like it's fucking flying like it's going to go through a wall before it det date s bace

and then the reason why the canister

the reason why i'm ok with saying that like a helicopter dropped munition is entirely possible

is because you basically have to look up the terminal velocity from the altitudes that the helicopters were dropping the canister munitions from

we got plenty of videos of like syrian government forces dropping a canister like barrel bombs or whatever

and of course that's going to have like a similar drop velocity to a lobbed mortar

instead of a projectile artery so the issue but the issue the actual issue under contention two things the issue under contention

was what not whether it's possible that it could have been dropped from a helicopter

but whether or not

that was the only possibility and you just confirmed that that's not the case before you even knew what the details of this were

and second of all

so that's what the issue under contention was then second of all finally

the initial investigative reports as i said of the o p c w

argued that the hole was too small

to have been dropped by the canisters so they were actually on the ground

investigating this

this whole thing

and they said that the hole was too small for the the

to have been produced

by

the dropping from the canisters so that's what they said

so so is the is the primary contention whether or not like the syrian government intentionally use chlorine gas to kill civilians

the no the primary contention is whether or not

there is a

there is no possibility or there is no possible explanation for how that canister got there and how that whrole was produced

other than a helicopter drop

well well right so so from like a forensic standpoint or or from like a military standpoint or whatever

uh the this would be

my my problem with the framing is like we're basically doing like a forensic analysis like two thousand miles away without dimensions with like sloppy blurry f photos with like you know

to different people who obviously have vested interests so doing like a forensic analysis on like explosives is going to be super hard in this kind of scenario because we don't know the size of the container we don't know the size of the hole

we're using all this like sloppy evidence right

so and we also have parties that have motivations for why they're painting the narrative that they're painting

what i don't think is like within contention

is that so that this would be my narrativization

is that the syrian government

capitalized

on the american war in iraq

sent a bunch of people who were motivated to fight american soldiers into iraq

they became veterans of the mha haden insurgents within iraq

they came home they were dissatisfied

they participated in the pro democracy elements

it devolved into civil war

and the syrian the central syrian government used the presence

of jihadists within the revolutionary forces

as an excuse to engage in pretty barbaric acts of artillery strikes

helicopter strikes drought like the barrel bombs that we all saw

in order to kill the fuck out of syrian civilians

even syrian civilians who were engaging in peaceful protest in syrian civilians who basically had legitimate grievances against the central government so for me whether or not like this individual incident was forensically possible one way or the other as a barrel bomb or a mortar

kind of misses the point of what both sides were engaging in

there were jihadists on the revolutionary side but there was also a lot of people who had genuine gripes

and then there were

ass holes in the central government

who capitalized on jihadis being part of the revolutionary side

in order to basically kill the fuck out of the syrian ivi if youan if you're referring to the the like more liberal protesters who were only showcased in the protests of

dara and elsewhere

ah and also who were like the continuity of the damascus spring during the two thousands

what representation at all did those elements have

in the syrian civil war that happened after

well so so this would be my contention because we had some peaceful

of revolutions in the middle east and north africa that did go off relatively peacefully so for instance like tunisia if i remember correctly yeah was one of the few places where they actually did have a pseudo peaceful revolution that didn't end in a lot of bloodshed

what i would say is that basically m my understanding of the syrian narrative

is that

it became this pissing contest between the brutality of government forces and the brutality of the returning jihadists from iraq

and as a result of that pissing contest basically

anybody who was pro democratic pro liberal pro peace

they basically got radicalized into the free syrian army and there was another faction that i was trying to think about

but the peaceful protesters after a few months because of the the actions of the government

there weren't any peaceful protesters left

because the peaceful protesters were getting fucking guned down and barrel bombed and shot an artillery struck

so fuck it we might as well fight so it what examples understanding yeah what example of peaceful protests being barrel bombed

can you point to

well the barrel bombings would have been like later in the conflict right like when the cities were actually under siege

right but you sad peaceful protesters were being killed en mass so other examples of that

oh yeah if you if you want to give me a minute i obviously didn't come with like citations but i could look up but obviously it's going to be similar to like egypt for instance during that entire time period where just on occasion the army would open fire on peaceful protesters it's not going to start with there's actually a reason why the syria conflict

became a civil war in the egypt one didn't and the reason is because there's obviously massive

popular

support when i say popular i don't i'm not necessarily even implying a majority just like that there is a huge significant portion

of the syrian population that is loyal to the government

and which is why there's hard

yeah but aren't those so for instance but then this gets into a question of like

legitimacy in this at the other

a so aren't a majority of those people

towards the coast in the major cities under alawi protection you know basically economically entrenched with the the opposit

so the protest the rural the rural people subt the central government

no it's complicated so

which you basically have with the arab states that are the especially bothis states these post colonial states is you have a situation of

you have an urban corps of like intellectuals and

like you know i guess perfect more like urbanites who are more willing to go protest they're more liberalized they're more cosmopolitan

those were the people who initially like led the protests those were the people at the fore of damascus spring

and you have a kind of suburban

core which is like

i guess

a type of um

it's hard to explain its sociological they're not necessarily urban a necessary rural rule

but their rule relative to the liberal elites which is the bedrock of support for the government

and then beyond that you have a deeper core of rurlity

in syria which is like the sunni majority basically

among whom

there is more anti government sentiment

as far as the majority is concerned i wouldn't say so but the muslim brotherhood and so on was always able to get like its

support from there right

so syria you basically have like

a cosmopolitan liberal urban

uh coastlaw whatever

and then on the other hand you have like an extremely more

rule lies like the same people that

supported the muslim brotherhood in egypt

a sociologically i should say

to

are against not in the majority but

that's where you're going to get bedrocks of resistance against the government and fighting against the government

but in between that

you are gonna have this kind of middle class that supports the government

yeah no but i agree with that because they if the system is working out oka for them then they're going to support the system that continues to work and the you can you can use different stories to justify what you're doing so so for instance like

one of the accusations against the syrian government early in the conflict was they were using rape as a method of torture against protesters also i was able to find like stories pretty quickly the

as early as like two thousand and eleven of security forces opening up on protesters but he here's the thing that i don't think anybody likes to acknowledge

is that sometimes people are full of shit

ok

that doesn't mean that they don't have grievances or there isn't propaganda in war

like for instance like the ghost of kiev

i knew that was probably bullshit i didn't give a fuck because basically it did mean

that they are the truth of it

is that there's ukrainian pilots and ukrainian soldiers

who are going up against an army that they have very little hope of beating conventionally

and yet they still have the brass balls to flain russian soldiers

so that that's kind of where the propaganda

it doesn't matter if it's propaganda the question is whether or not there's legitimate grievance and whether or not there's legitimate political movement

wait so

the willingness of ukrainians to fight russians doesn't really give us a picture of what's happening on the ground though so

the reason facts take

primacy and facts matter a lot is because

you can't take them for granted we can't just say the ghost of kiev is fine

because overall it paints a correct story because

the only place we're going to get any like

reality is from facts right

so we don't and maybe but where are you getting your facts and where am i getting my facts because because we do't i would be citing to you would be like from the guardian and other well but the fact is stan thatl news like there the ukrainian air force was taken out with such ease and with such little

like there's no you there's basically almost no ukrainian air force anymore they're completely reduced to the use of drones and that's pretty much it like they don't

have airplanes in the sky anymore and they're not really able to do anything like that so

you know it's like it's importan does that do you not like even if they're

politically your enemy or somebody that you disagree with do you not think that the half a dozen people who had brass balls to actually take off and fight the like before they got killed

do you not think it takes brass balls to jump into a fighter jet and go up against an air force that's more strong than you

m

not no not necessarily when you're misinformed about what the facts are so when if you're being told propaganda you're bucking balls if you're being told propaganda that your ability to beat this enemy is going to be much higher than it actually is

i don't necessarily think that's something to be i think i that

they were i think they knew they're going to lose as a matter of fact i don't think the ukrainians have any

any real

h

idea that they can win a conventional war against russia

like i think

i think i think the point is basically to make russians bleed enough that they can drag them to the negotiating table i think that's what it is

yeah

well

yeah

i mean it's it's about it's about dragging it out long enough making that war expensive even more expensive than it already is right and then

and then and then convincing basically russia that

it's not worth it to be yet but what we've actually seen from the russian side is it actually seems like the russians are the ones dragging it out

because they potentially don't want to deal

with the weighty and costly

on political problems that are going to come with having to reform a ukrainian government the russians would much rather prefer

the existing ukrainian government just cooperate then have to take kiev and completely

set up a totally new government and deal with the entire you know

and in addition to the international fallout that's already been produced

do you think they would feel do you think they would have felt the same way if kiev has just had just fallen within the first week

like if they didn't want to they never had an intention to take kev in one week

ok but but i'm just i'm just saying like let's say lenski saw the russian army coming

he fled

all the ukrainian soldiers were like fuck this not worth it and they just quit

right

don't you think that the russians would be perfectly ok installing a puppet government if that had been the situation

no

as far as a puppet government because the russians are perfectly aware

that the bedrock of support for the current ukrainian government comes from western ukraine

which is actually a real basis of popular support

and installing a puppet government that

only serves russia would basically mean

dealing with all the political fallout and unrest that comes with dealing with the western ukrainian population

well okay so you were talking about like facts and information and all that kind of stuff

so i don't have like a phone line to like zelinski or to putin so i'm kind of basing my opinions off of like news reports and general information things i can google maps like all that kind of shit

that's what i'm basing my opinion off of so what are what are you basing your opinion of the russian perspective on

the russian perspective of like

purposefully not

accelerating

how long this is going to take

no i just mean like so so for instance like let's say it was a complete pushover like yeah the ukrainian army just surrendered completely

half the population in western ukraine was like you know what we welcome the russians with open arms turns out selinski was

a corrupt politician who was in joe biden's pocket he wouldn't have been a lately want the russians

like like so so basically like how do you know that

they wouldn't be comfortable with basically taking over the entire country

because they wouldn't have invaded the country in the first place if that was if there was like a grain of truth to that reality

then but that's like that's the reality that played out on the eastern side where you know all of the donyas glu hans crimea all these places pretty much when went out with a shot fired

yeah well

i mean that's been known for years since two thousand and fourteen and then other you can also even even say there are other parts of eastern ukraine it's similar but

the russians know that

they know that the root cause of the maidan comes from western ukraine

in the first place

all right i'm i'm just being a little autistic at this point so i don't know if you guys want to redirect

yeah we can go back to the original contention is caz why do you want me to pay a thousand dollars to meet you friday

because you're not you keep

you you wan't even you yeah i didn't pay pal because because because you're here because you keep pushing this lie that i paid you a last time yeah you and you're w you you're insisting aot to show up

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i don't doubt that you have a thousand dollars to your name

i just i think you have a thousand i just thk mter that doesn't lve you have the money to spare

haz ok as a ok so as a volunteer i'm going to help you out a little bit ok

ellen degenerate if you want to pay pal me a on thousand dollars i will one hundred percent swear on my life may all my credibility as a streamer or you tuber or whatever die with this fucking statement

if you did two hundred bucks hundred bucks

whatever gets haz there

i will hold it

and if you don't show

i'll pay it to hous

totcha sounds good i'll do it

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and actually i want to make it even better ok i want to make it even better i have some clippers

all right based on who wins between us

you either get to shave my head you get to shave this glorious mane or i shave your beard

know how about exactly because you know you're going to fucking lose a real man would just fuck and say do it

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you're a ltt cow as you people o people say i break i break one fifty on a good nights counterpoints is actually he's a real man and he's actually works for his money and has a family what do you have how f want to ellen general what do you think i have jesus christ

a bunch of online artists

so

well he i was the point i was making before i was rudely interrupted by the great stardust was that he has more hate watchers

then real at fanir

well if that's true then they're really scared to speak up in the chat

because you ban everybody that says anything

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if if hate watchers all and would have been proud if hate watchers want ear be on the algorithm and shit

what do i care

bl blue oh hello ok

hi so ok so are we are we going back to haws and ellen degenerate or like do we have realtical shit to

debate because if i actually wanted to debate him because

i want to since he like was too scared to actually like show up last time i want to say what gve me i showed the wy

so you're still maintaining the live that i paid you

i have the screenshot you can why should why should anyone be hold on why should anyone why should anyone believe why why should anyone consideraning it ellen why should anyone consider you a credible source on and youven ned to that's what did i also call the police on day on ellen so there's a few things

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first you said you were on your way o you want to talk about lies let's talk about lies you' caught ini i don't dot know you know what has i just interupt i'm sorry i don't know anything about either of you guys i hear decent things about has

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jujitsu kaisin yes it isjush that's so awesome

why don't you like lift any weights like you wear you wear musy have a b on you're not a leg press my guy

ok

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thirdy with a four machine like presses like that's not ipressive but yeah that's what i was i was the lift chain really

my dude i don't

hey

i measure i look i measure my compound lift i don't measure my leg measure your calm because you masturbate every no compound lift

wait a leg press is where you put the plates on each side and you push it with your leg right

yes sitting down

so i'd put five plates on each side of forty five

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two hundred for my single leg because i yeah thatad of easily an ax i do single leg presses because it's a mt like i actually just started working out yeah months ago ok so okay let me give you some tips first it's actually cool that you're taking inspiration from like you know toto you know read berserk stump like that actually maybe don't read berserk we have to gatekeep that a little bit more

by my olden ring character

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but yeah anyway

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what matters is your three compound lifts i mean maybe you can include an incline bench

but you know you're deadlift your squat

and your bench that's what matters so if you can squat four hundred pounds that's that's epic

but yeah i mean

come back to me in you know a few months it's good to hear that you're working out like that's actually a good thing i atually ply on doing a training montage for has

so he can see what he's going to be dealing with i'm going to be reading a book called three hoole theory

and you know just maybe

do you not know the two whole theory mean

where he doesn't know he doesn't know that women have more than two holes

under there he was on a speed dating show and a woman asked him

what's soli you known there what's all therees do you don't think there's only two holes i what why does it matter

like why does it matter you know i i'll let the women do the anatomy lesson

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i was like how many dudes actually

like

if you know how to go down on someone you're not going near a rethroat you're going at like the very top

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you know it's about procreation it's not about well you know you have to really stimulate the cliin i mean it'st happening know i know you're ultimately you're right honest yeah you come across as more of a virgin if you start playing like the guess how many holes women have like thats that was my that was my initial reaction to but like

you have to understand this happened i'm sorry that i passed this happened in this happened in august they brought it up again in november and they have not shut the fuck up about it since because it's very fir so it's like i've actually had to like dedicate way more thought to this than a normal person would and that's what i'm actually embarrassed about most of all

it's like fact i'm already dragging yeah like the fact the fact that people like still like the fact that people have so little on me that they like have to still bring it up it's like

i still don't get it like to the every leftish oversize over socialized type always you know this is always the line i brought this up with startus the frequent you know dad's penis references yeah it's always you know wre did i bring it up goact they go back to the vulgar they go back you're absoutely right there's something w i without wen the last time know what

i saw you you're so you time you saw wait you're so right on evert i've i've run into your little crew and they're the ones who are bringing it up

first the entire time no wait you're actually so right there's something so weird about leftist where it's like

everything has to be extremely sexualized and it's always so visre i did stop talking it's i because you know that you're fu it's it's always likeing the always they always like like every time i see them trying to even like critique or attack right wingers they're always immediately going to like

the private parts the viscera the sexuality it's like

and because it's funny because you guys get really uncomfortable but the reason y a yout sound like go god forbid that the five jokes that are repeated

by yeah youyea keep keep doing it the five jokes that are you know what's crazy to me is that

leftists are always talking about like all left it leftist let us act like they care friends

startust is fat

starust is harry

starts is ugly these are like not new things do you think that i don't the same thing a t i ust ty you knowk i don't feel bad because all these people ever do is

talk about the fact that i'm average height like it's a big deal but

that's all they talk a're not average hire below so when it comes to them talkingbout w witaitit eah you five foot nine are you f foot n to the bull i'm an i'man i'm an in shy iud do it i'm actually an insh

i'm an inch below average i'm five eight so not five we that dude you're still awesome like we're going to take back the country i mean what i think we saw me wasn't he

soalin was even shorter but like i'm trying to say is like when they comeplain the best when they when they complain abouthot all i'm saying more of a man than you'll ever be in your listen that's why that's why he had a thirteen year old that he fucking impregnated in serbia that's completely made up story that's not a made up story ask me what i think about that ask me if i we're getting thirteen year olds pregnant we're alert i'm not

a fan of that the fact remains stalin is a more impressive man he will be more of a man and he is more revered than you will ever be in your life and what we're trying to get his storyyeah w you life amounts to nothing i get what is a good jack on thisy what's crazy to me that's crazy to me is that leftists always act like they care a lot about like

consent in making sure like

and no one's being sexually assaulted or like

you know like creepy or whatever

but then they somehow think it's o k to just randomly impose

like very visceral sexual topics on people who are not interested

and talk about any of that with them that yeah isn't yeah there' alls es there some may somey likely like sh is going to tweet about you know very graphic porn with trad people and horse penises and all this you know it's always this this this weird hip hypocrisy and i don't mean to be like

the left is so hypocritical but you know you guys are so obsessed with what goes in sax and you what's safe and making sure we respect consent and then you go and basically groom minors into the sex industr yeah i mean how do you feel about your yeah yeah they they alsoy theyre always acting ing about thels the're always conversation about promise yeah you're doing it right now you are like not and they're always like like what

and then it's like it's like the're always like look how uncomfortable it makes conservativess like well yeah wch when you when you

it's like's sa is like a private l why would it who would not be uncomfortable with someone imposing that on like imagine if you're like imagine there's a family in public and like people just randomly start talking about sexual topics like yeah that's going to make people uncomfortable like it's weird it's private which political party

is blocking

child marriage from being outlawed in the united states

what does this have to do with our cach you were just talking about leftists are grooming children

which political party is

blocking the outlawing which political party had direct ties to jeffrey epstein in the child also the republican party dumss yeah yeah so really that actually that actually answers the question which is like

if you try to dumb down this conversation until like republicans or democrats

i ude i don't really align myself with the republican party and you probably don't like ch forre tam about it stop acting like that's what you're out of like you're acting like oh leftist want to groom children and i'm like ok webll which political bloc is specifically against outlawing child marriage but you don't want to locking station

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to have a child in that children that learned sex education earlier and are i go about and what flaw that's me ofen it is and i please just have a minute just one minute and i'm going to leave i'll get the fuck out of here ok don't need to lead or i want know i want i want to leave just give me one second ok

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it would be i think

you would be seen as such a king if you just leaned into the into the jokes that people make about you

ok when people call me that and harry i will lean into it ok i think you would be seen as such a king and the twitch politics community if you just leaned into start us that sor first of all

i don't care what the twitch politics community sees in me second of all

all of those memes actually started by were started by me in our community and we used to laugh about me being short andshit all the time

and we also laughed about the two whole thing after it happened but then the joke got old and we moved on

and it's not a joke it's like it's not a joke with you guys anymore like you're actually like mad about it now like you're actually takingd

yeah you guys actually take it like very seriously it's not even a joke anymore like

you actually think it's you like even if you ok let's say you're right and i'm but let's say let's say i was just like ok you're right and i'm three feet tall like ok ok hold on and my let's say you're right and i'm like three feet tall who like why is that a did i commit a crime matter is that am matter i'm fucking i'm like five to doesn't matter it doesn't it yeah but you guys you guys make it you guys make it seem like it's like i committed a crime and i have to be can

iled for it

you didn't commit a crime

it's fine

it just lean into the mem i mean there again people think they're dunking on me when they link the clown picture when i purposely

like dressed up like a clown like i mean yeah i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure yeah i'm pretty sure it's not a mean for most people and they actually do take it seriously

because like the

because the joke is funny for like a month maybe but then like a year later it's not a mean anymore that's like actually

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ok

well um

i mean i guess that's the only thing that i can say uh i i just think that like

i don't know i think people say a lot of shit about me and i try to lean into it full force well the thing is that people are like cause

uh

you always attack other people all the time and i'm like

yeah but i'm actually right when i do it like i actually for example like when i call

when i call like a

ellen like obese and out of shape like it's true he actually is right

and when you what i call you a short coward it's true

but the thing is it's not like

first i'm not a coward me because you didn't shut because because when you had real chance fuck and do that sh because when you had the chance to actually fuck and meet me you bitched out

ok second of allw in fucking paid me second of all and hold on hold on hold on hold on let me hear the back story here who first threatened to fight who

so he did to me so he did to me he kept saying not surprised so let me interrupt real quick because that's literally all i need to know you're calling him like you're not a man you're not this and that

dude

you said come and fight me brod to a guy you had a disagreement with over the internet you're a child you actually don't think about things why do you don't understand valid you don't understand taking things seriously which is why you're i w w mee like we can meet up jus ask

it's look you're doing the same thing the only way you think about conflict is fight me in real life because you are too unintelligent

to actually talk about you know yeah i fuck and beat the fuck out of him intellectually too i can do it on all fronts i'm just a superior organis he thinks he beat me into st get this get this ca you hundred thirty p i debated him and i got one hundred i debated him and it got to a point where he was like the only thing that could have created the hole in this roof

was assad's gas canis i was more likely and then no you know it's notw you said and then i said no it cod also been mortar so the guy actually looked at the smallest mortar that was used by the syrian army and he was like eighty two millimeters or something he posted a you tube videos like see that couldn't have created the hole then we brought in a guy who hes with him politically who's like supposedly a military expert on it oter boys and the yeat counterpoints agreed with

me and says it could have been a mortar shell as well like it didn't have to only be that

and he like

ellen literally took like most ire recently that a fucking helicopter he did not say that he said he did say that no he what he said he said it was more likely than artillery you

i said both he said both a mortar a and a canister drop

we're more likely than artillery

d on hold on hold on ellen l llen ellen ellen why did you threaten to fight haz what was the reason what i said icae he was constantly bitching out

about dylan burns

and i was no i wasn't yes you were

and he

i said

i'll i said i'll do it because he was you know do it aso you randomly came in my replyes i said i'll do it

and then you were like ok and then destiny started retweeting it and then that's when he started replying because his whole life revolves around destiny

no it's because destinyes like

probably one of the biggest streamers that constantly directs attention

toward me

and destiny kept like directing all my point yeah he kept shining the spotlight on me and i was like okay whatever

yet i'm going to do this one thing cause all these people keep harassing me saying like oh

haws you're not about it in real life and i was like ok i'll actually just show up to this

be caause i'm that sick of it and i just want to likeh just prove to myself that these people

are that dishonest

so i showed up and this guy wasn't there

and he they still lied and made shit up he said i paid him not to show up he just made some shit up

so i was like ok

h at this point like these people this none of this is based in reality it's all like no matter what i do they're going to make some shit up

so yeah that was the only lesson i needed to learn you know

yeup so

so the whole thousand dollars destiny made you do that

like the way that you're

you're like no because that's worth it if i can get if i can get a thousand dollars just to like go somewhere in lansing which isn't that far from me

like sure a thousand dollars re

um hum

right

yeah i mean i look i'm willing to wll why did you to fight him why did you threaten to fight him

because his entire brand is built on like worshipping strength and i just want to show people that he's a little bitch

oh my gosh you're it's you're a child you were a child you did not mature you are a rebellious child you rebelled against your parents did you grow up religious by chance

now actually

are your parents religious

i didn't have ferrets

oh that might explain

part of

not maturing past childhood

buth yeah no i think

lesson number one

is think about things like an adult don't throw good people because they disagree with you on the ok fucking dawson's creek look at us like i don't know what you want like you germ to thry to fight me to

yes i'm already i'll do it all i want all the smoke

all right

i want all b sm yeah want yeah you can just repeat my things in another voice that makes you look great you did that before i was seeing if you get upset about it ok

i'm going to go and i sort of you look like you're fifteen now so great job

has hey right epic thank you yeah you on the other hand look like you are so tited these are basically these are basically destiny orbiters like startust is like a peasant and destiny's a lord and she like has to pay tribute to has that i actually called her on that i call her on that yes she will she will never see sort it out when destiny t she will never contra

destiny which is who's her lord will never godicted him the other day would never call him o was the contradiction was the contry we had a difference in opinion over whether people

in light in prison for life should be able to opt for the death penalty or not am that sounds like a really substantive yeah that's likere that's a that's a really like that's definitely going against in public p

that's a huge disagreement

you know yeah like they all share the same pool of viewers as destiny so that they take turns like jacking him off

and like paying tribute to him

so they do't stand it's like literally it's literally al eam

nice biggest have a dedline

w whyh because you because the're big money yeah because the's a spectacle because i actually didn't know what you looked like on video before i only saw your profile picture

what i said he looks like christine chandler

yeah i look nothing like christine s you remind me of that lot you have the low because you spend a lot of time thinking about pedophiles because you are one

yeahll what oh yeah what a lot there he's are't sure boss this projection i'm sorry i've never seen anybody talk about pedophiles more than just pedophis you think re hold on r entire communitis first insult

towards is it towards anyone is it is it is it towards anyone or is it youre anyone is it towards

is it towards anyone or is it towards destiny and voster's community

it's that's all you do that's all you interact right so destiny is destiny's community not pedophilic

i would assume not because the most i community is probably are you know who mr girl is the streamer mr girl

oh yeah he's cranded id' okay which community gave birth to mister girl and gave him all the views and platform m okay fine d g g or pedophile okay i mean do you think someone who admits to jacking off to lollyporn and saying c p is not unethical and uh

talking about you know that they're talking about wanting future talking about wanting higher talk wy so what was the context for saying he jacks off to lollypoint wash

that's what so know what was go ok wait we every fucking single thing i see is about that argument that alan you don't get it do that do that's noto argument shut up shut up shut up butyw to do thats ing to ironically say ma got to say i was out of context when i ask you you don't even know what the context is come on i want to starty about how dishonest are you so vs

boh hash has bo so foh has like allh has these public nineties taco bell

uhhuh so bosh has these public records

os what where uh he has like discord records where he's talking about like how in the future

he's looking forward to like sex robots that'll be like children and like

he's talking about how the are

he's basically taught and he's he also made a lot of her sing in the world there's like a whole like

treasure troll ask you i want to ask you so say that they created like a robot that made pedophiles decide to not go after children would you be against that

holy fucking shit you are a pedo to holy fuck i was a pedo thing it's like it's incredible it's like it's actually incredible it's literally incredible you t you know one force say thatre always underplay it they always water it down so if theyre so if you could create a robot that made pedophiles not be pedophiles anymore and then you forget to mention that the pedophile is in the shape of a child and you neglect the

fact that normalizing people having chat having ses ot probjects nor is going to have a societal or cultural impact so should we just keep on like doing the thing that we do now where we just ostracizing we why you been why you why you we've been doing that for a thousand you literally just backed yourself into a corner of defending pedos i didn't force you i did not force you to proto argument what a well heur what are we currently doing right now

to stop pedophilia what are we currently doing clearly there they rule us they're in power so clearly not enough

ok that

no we are

clearly our first instinct is to like hurt them

ostracize and all these things which i think we should do for public safety obviously

but i don't think there's a but

there it would have there can someone clip someone someone please clip and saying i agree and then just everyth every time you every time replies to my twitter just share that share that clip

and figure out what created ellen ellen who forced you to like make these pro pedal arguments after you just accused me of pedal jacking other people

who forced who's going to force you to anser ther lasay

ellen answer the question

why

my because my hatred of pedophid is out

no my hatred of pedfale stems from the

the danger they pose children not just discussed at what they do

does that make sense which way o wait wait wait wait w know so you're so your

your aversion to pedophiles is because of what they do to children not just because of

what they i think my lass children

no a lot of that makes a lot of sense

listen to me definitely makes a lot of sense

yes

you could if you put aside

your instinctual feelings of disgust you can probably why do we feel discusation

why do we discuss at because it's gross it grosses us out the idea it's because why does it ssus out

yahe it's harming children that's why was us out yes you're saying the same thing twice you're saying that well it's not about discussed it's about them idren saying that's why we're disgusted

but if there are ways to

fucking figure out how to prevent them i think every because we've tried for like the last thousand years of just killing them and hurting them and we haven't it we have not tried that for thousands of years

uh

pederasty was a common practice of the elites of rome it was a common pratics i think of the corrupt elites during the middle ages

and it seems like our ruling class has always been pedophileic

well because they had the ability to get away with it i don't think being up the're still getting away with it now

they're still getting away with it now

that's of that's a consequence of them being able to get away with crime in general

you know it's not do you think it is this is something that that is has become a particular problem perhaps within the gay community

oh should we can't even can't even go there

ok well go there i sorr you ca i would for that i would trust a child with a thousand drag queens before i would trust them with like a thousand christian gym teachers

distically statistically you are retarded i mean if you look up any of these times that there have been these big movements of l g b t people like for instance the uh like we'll convert your

here's on let's just send it on this note let's just send it on this note here's all i'm going to say

so kai you probably know about namblo right

not by that namb is a pedal organization that advocates for pedals

and oh yeah before the nineties and let's just say it was part of a movement

a before it was kicked out after the nineties for optics reasons so that's all i'm going to say

yeah okay let's let's end this topic because i don't want i don't want

y

or vosh twenty four seven that's that's unfortunately twitch has just gotten to be a very politically homogeneous place and it's like i'm the one outlier it seems like

which is whil i like the most

a

would you ever stream on cozy

i know

i actually checked out that site it's very well made you know i'm impressed you right yeah i'm not read a year less than a year from the yeah i'm impressed how well made it is i and right now i am i do have an exclusivity contract with twitch

because i'm partnered so i actually am not allowed to stream like anywhere else

no right

but if you ever get band from yeah i mean yeah if i if that ever happens i'll be multi streaming to like

we know

h because i think you want really well on they yeah they all like you

yeah i was going to say the chats being very nice to you at thell they really like you

yeah i mean they were like they were like this guy you know haz is pretty cool you know you

and he said that you know

optics were on point and whatnot and of course you're like you have a very genuine angle and that's one thing we give credit to destiny for is like he at least is you know is as much of individual person to admit that cozy is well run and that you know

there's a lot of

a lot of enthusiasm and there's a lot or do i talk a backeah there's a lot of support and there's a lot of enthusiasm behind cozing behind america first so you and him

both admit that which you know gives

guys way yeah like like i said i've always used as an example of successful dealing with the platforming by big tech

which is also something that me and a few of my colleagues are also starting to face because of

the outset of the russia conflict

like

yeah

yeah so that's something we actually are not saying it's like a matter of

ah

if but when you know

you know platform and deruments is definitely something that like

any

anti establishment political actor

he's going to have to be able to establish

if you're just pro other establishments you're not anti establishment

i would all that

yeah what other establishment

le's see the russian government the chinese government any geopolitical into the problem with the russian government in the chinese government is that those are populist governments which regularly draw their mandates

from the mass from popular masses

at the expense which they direct against their westernized liberal elites continuously

so actually the chinese n why they yeah yeah for example the there is a russian establishment that was formed after yeltson especially with the oligarchs and the media conglomerates

and putin has been clashing with them throughout the entirety of his reign

same thing is going on in china would to do that in the two thousand and then got it back he's the one that gave them all their abilities in the two thousand he was basically selling off government power for and why why are oligarchs so ok there's there's a few things here i actually talked about this on my stream

the other day i find it really interesting when people all the time you know tout this like you're a fan of dictatorships but then they're like championing

the united states the problem with the united states or the problem with you know all of these western democracies is because in the majority of cases there you know government is either brought into office or is supported by people who are not their actual historical people right so if we import like

if we import millions and millions of immigrants those are not a historic or a true american people but the rulers have their power derived from those people is that a legitimate rule

are those rulers legitimately appointed do they serve the interests of the american people no because the american people are now in the minority because you've imported millions of new people

yeah i mean like uh

like what i'm trying to say when it comes to when it comes to establishments

yeah when it comes to establishments you're basically dealing with like these fixed

networks of international finance and like

n g o s and institutions basically which is like a it's a global network and it's almost like every single country's ruling class has them

and that in the case of russia right now you know oligarchs are reporting to media that

they fear that

it's a matter of not if but when that their assets are going to be nationalized renationalized

because in the nineties they privatized a lot of the assets of the russian government

and that's how the oligar oligarchs came to prominence and they're basically like under threat now

by the government of having everything seized and putin actually directly called them out

called a lot of them a fifth column whose head is in the west

but who's who's only physically in russia but their head is in the west you they're totally westernized and there they don't even like so yeah it's like you don't really know what you're talking about when you doing saying this shit about a fucking establishment

so well that's lgit the establishment of russia again

is the establishment of oh all his political enemies just are super clumsy keep falling out windows that keep actually putt pull toony

at bes even if i conceded to you that putin did all those things which no evidence has been produced to

to uh

even if i were to concede that you that doesn't prove there's a russian establishment there are ms that aren't in

no it prove that in is like a leader who will not tolerate is able to just openly fucking off people i think they're the establishment

hey our government does that

y here too

i agree y why are you rooting for like the west why are you rooting for democracy and liberalism that creates an establishment an establishment that can replace the populace

to highminding that this is not what works establishments are based on oligarchy

whereas strong leaders strong leader the reason strong leaders usually aren't compatible with an establishment there have been cases

but they got immediately deposed

the reason is because strong leaders get their mandate from the people oligarchs get their mandate

yes they do yes they do because

even during the days of ivan the terrible in russia when the boyars were against ivan the terrible the the lords at like the

these like powerful people who were like oligarchs the only power ivan was able to get was from the brussian people was from the peasant masses

that's always been the case throughout history julius caesar got his mandate from the roman plebeians and proletarians

he got all of his fucking mandate from them and it came at the expense of the patrician oligarchy so

there's always this

struggle between oligarchic rule and popular rule by b

leaders

and yet i mean like the democrats for example

the democrats yeah the democrats are i mean the republican party is changing we don't even know what its future is going to be you know most of those most most there's a republican establishment that's increasingly indistinguishable from the democrats

but as far as democratic party is conerned they are the party of oligarchy their completely anti popular party

whose sole existence is to keep the american people in line

and you know they use all of these supposedly you know marginal groups

as a way

how many republicans voted for a higher wage increase

the wage increase that the democrats are voting for a is completely negligible because of fucking inflation that's happened and then and then democratic party is the only party that's against the the

that's against the working man why are't the republicans helping with the minimum wage

because the minimum wage is by no means decisive right now in terms of what defines the what's going to define read about what sorting millions and millions people to the country yeting the supply of the labor force what's going to determine the what's going to determine the quality of life of the working man

right now isn't the minimum wage it's fucking the availability of industrial jobs the democrats are against

in a national industry they're against the democrats are against any type of national industry they're against having any american jobs and they want to outsource all labor to foreign countries that is the number one reason for the degradation of a decline of standard of living for the working class

the green new deal is a fucking green new deal is molth thusian it was fucking created funded and molth thusian wants to kill our industry off wants to kill the source of livelihood in vi tality

for the american people how do yetink we're going to get all the solar panels and shit we'll need so listen renewable energy is not enough to actually sustain the growth of industry it's about the growth

and completely cutting off the supply of creating new wealth why because these old wealth money elites want to cut off the ability for any new wealth to be generated because new wealth is what can overthrow them growth is just leftist austerity

that's all it is

which is what you support

i don't support austerity

will you support the green new deal which is the grow

no i support

fucking bringing shit ton of green jobs to america we should have been the ones those job green green

sources of energy do not produce industrial growth

yes they do ok no they don't ve calculated and how they do

ok how do you wait why would it not

as opo because they've calculated how wind and solar and other renewables

are not enough to actually sustain the developmental and industrial needs of a country problem we have is that we can't hold the power because we don't have the batteries to you know you know you realize renewables are just about sustaining what we have now not about

creating new wealth if you just make more of it

no you can't there's literally not enough there limited amount they speculate that in the future the technology will be better which there's no sign of whatsoever but as far as it's concerned right now nothing even comes close to fossil fuels or fusion energy or some kind of nuclear energy nothing comes close to that you would sacrifice jobs of americans working on the keystone pipeline because

mug green mug green and i'm like i believe that there's like a future which is more environmentally friendly that the right wing fights for but i mean to totally you know shut down all of the job and are yah all of i agree in neer so the prom one of the biggest things yh you know i'm there are environmental problems like there's a there's smog problems when it comes to industry with c o two

emissions it degrades it degrades like fus and it degrades you know

the actual quality of air and water and all this yeah that's all real

but on the other hand

like this overarching narrative that we have to like ah

have like completely net zero which net zero basically also means net zero human growth it means falking

net zero population

growth as well it's not just fucking net zero growth in general and this is all part of a malthusian agenda by our elites to limit the population

tru true how would it how is green energy limiting the popular because green energy cannot sustain

the growth of humanity in general new in terms of because as humanity grows we need to increase our industry and technology to support

more human beings and when you don't have that you don't have the resource and then by the way human beings are either growing or we're we're falling

and the malthusian agenda of our elites

is seems to me right i don't know if i'm allowed you know seems to me

is to decrease

the human population

no

no no yes no this allraq is wutterly everywhere whates youo that western liberalism what is the thing that you know this this industrialism has pushed for

throughout all of human history making it so that people will have less kids i mean is it a ucidence that once you enter stage fouror five of demographical your earth rate trails down yeah all of this acts with the intention of liberalism the intent of the dising of family is at themly and why do you and you look at what we're having children and you look at the only country the only countries right now that are promote

promoting population growth and encouraging people to have kids and putting monetary incentives for people to have kids

are russia and china

europeeing against west yeah europe in america by and large are doing the exact opposite japan is doing nothing to try to stop its population declin practically nothing

packed nothing

practically nothing literally economically been speaking i've been trying to do so much to counter the deflation to make it cheap yeah but thisradation this a problem yeah problem is that none of the women want to leave the workforce because and this is what japan realized it's that their industrialization so quickly and they're forcing of women out of the home and into the workforce has made it so that women don't want to take time off work

to have children that's one of the major problems and honestly you know if you orient the entirety of society around having a college degree then women won't want to marry a man who doesn't have a college degree that's what happening in the united states like the way people are marrying and also when you when you have a society when you have this

when you have this widespread push by liberals to abandon any semblance of like honour family manhood

all the things that make us human people don't even have the fucking motivation to live any more look at the suicide rates

in japan and south korea they're through the fucking roof people are losing the motivation and will to even leave because of the fucking spiritual desert that liberalism is creating out of the world

i think it has a lot more to do with like

price of living and like

uh the bullshit like i agree that japan has like terrible uh work practices and stuff like that but the idea that

weere it's all family stuff no people do it's not like people thought of that in the on eighteen hundreds when they were like pushing out shit tim of kids they're pushing out a shit time of kids because they needed farm hands

to work on the farm

so they were also pushing out a ton of kids because oh it's all material h it's not about them wanting to have families because there's a value there it's just like it's all the post in post world war two america you had the baby boomers because after that war

people had a fuck ton of kids right and the reason is notcause they needed farm yeah they didn't need farmhads back then

there was no economic reason for that it was like two and a half kids but down from our a grarian standard of like seven or eight

the reason there is high in agrarian standard is because there is high child mortality

general yeah t two point five kids is still a ton compared to now

i'm hispanic i'm a huge family

so like the idea of like the sd you then i thought you're samoan

no i said people think i'm supposed

do you have a mom and dad

they're dead

but like the point is that the the

wait

people having like nine or ten kids on there on the ranch and stuff like that that was fors that are being more hand not just because a child mortality they needed workers and they made their own workers via their kids

you ever heard the expression from the bible be fruitful and multiply

yeah that doesn't just come from wanting more hands on the fucking form exactly so yeah why do you believe why why are you like so nihilistic about this that you believe that during the time when people were more religious when they had a larger sense of community when they were more nationalistic more patriotic

the only reason they had kids was to have more farm hands like how does that you i don't think they may i don't think they like were like

i think that they probably

we're just busting nuts crazy and didn't have birth control and just i think it's i think it's because you no problem with

perfect yeah because they both contl they didn't have abortion and they believed in god

they didn't believe in all this like awful stuff you have now where like have an abortion at like thirty weeks the problem was is because every kid they had would eventually

lead to bet like there i think the difference is that the way human beings have lived for thousands of years

was based on life and being

like for life right

and now with liberalism were entering this neholistic anti human era

where life is seen as something worse than fucking computers and fucking digital fucking anime bullshits like life

the people are losing people are losing the fucking willpower to live

there's such a fucking spiritual degradation that's going on in america and around the fucking world people people can't even fathom the possibility of being fathers anymore because they haven't even gotten over their fucking edible conflict

with their own fathers

people are fucking growing up to be man children who watch the fucking m c u

fuck and marvel and and people they disagree yeh on the internet oh y yeah peopleking becoming like marvel and c fans instead of yeah you know it did it did't really btter in the day did not threaten to fight each other over the internet when they disagreed they because their dads would beat it out of them if they started saying studing actor if the dire oh yeah aaron brn alexander hamilton that totally never happened people used to duel

used to be if me and hos had to all my gos youcause it was a violation of somebodies honor of somebodies name it was a severe insult to their character it wasn't because oh you disagree with me on political thing on the internet is why you are you are not aaron bur you are not aaron bur snap out of it ok you're not aaron burke youre a man child on the internet you can't help with being

wrong and is upset at the fact that you won't amount to anything great

yes you

but you've mean who will have children who has a church who has a community want leave a legacy ok behind yes i nen years a and i am co it's what i have done in my life i'm not done progressing i'm not done exploring my future but i know that i am going to view it far more oper then i do this is going

yeah honestly listen you're also aren't you also addicted to drugs ellen

uh addiction is a funny term i'm not addicted i do though

yeah well this the thing is it's like

you know when you don't have a solid you don't have solid spiritual values or a sense ofon like you're going to end up being a jackass like you are now and look what you're doing on listen ellen i became an influencer because i believe in something and i want to get the message out there you want to become an influencer because you just want to get

ellen you just want to get high off clout what is your purpose for being an influencer why are you so desperate to get attention

oh because there's a lot of bullshit i like to dissipate i like to okay what makes you different from vosh or any of the other bread tube h

federal agent projects

m i'm funnier

no you're not

you're not funny

i am pretty funny actually you're not you're literally not against one britney britney is allen funny

i'm out of this ok so you love democracy so much there's a democracy you look funny

very strange that you create a like

mutually exclusive concept between drugs and spirituality considering most of our modern religious concepts come from drugs

there's no evidence of the ho there's no evidence of hey haye hey guess what guess what guess what

you're not moses you're not moses you are you are smoking weed or whatever you're doing in your room with the lights out

at like twelve am

on a school night that's what you're doing you're not some spiritual intellectual

you i think that i do ironically think so responsibility for your life i do wt ironically think that these drugs are having these people actually commune with demons i actually think it's like

yeah i do think these people are funk in communing with demons

like there they're actually getting possessed

on some kind of fuckion if you look at if you look at how much marijuana has been pushed culturally

on to our society how normalized has become not just how normalized but how encouraged

like i remember when pineapple express came out i was in middle school and everyone was like wow that movie's so cool and like

we have like a we not only are people addicted to marijuana it's like a almost like a ritual practice like everyone's a fucking pothead now

ss and

you have to wonder what why is that is it does it do something spiritually to people that let me you asked about shrooms ellen

this is a very interesting thing this is a very interesting thing

i was researching shrooms of all the drugs that i would ever probably try

m i think psychedelics or anything that's more natural nothing you know synthetic or anything like that hold on hold on

something that that would be what draws me the most so i did a little bit of research into it and what i understood and what i think is the right takeway about psychedelics is first that i don't think you should do them but second

if you do you should do it to gain a better evaluation of your current circumstance to understand more about yourself and gain a new perspective on life the problem is you do this ritualistically and habitually you do it you get some new enlightened experience and then as that experience escapes you you feel uncomfortable with the life that you have led around you

and so you do more of it you're not gaining any enlightenment from it you're staying the same you are escapeism you've never absent the problem they do you from addressing the harsh reality of your life

so you've never done them guy n know i haven't

wow ok so wow i do you have't go so you can't talk about it yah so weed so you can't talk about it like i have a smoked weed because i don't want to be retarded because you i gt you i i q is shown you knowor you have itctually smoke weed

oh you don't believe an i q color me shocked you know i said yeah your i q so high even though you still believe in god

but the point

i was making

is the idea that you can talk to me about mushrooms b never doing them it's like a paraplegic talking to me about scuba diving no he i've dod on i did mushrooms once

how much how much this is important

i fugked on i did the im i need a g i need a graam amount

of it was a special type of giant mushroom it's called penis envy it'sy i know yes it's blue and it was like a big one right

and the

immigrants

i don't remember but it was it was like a way more than you're supposed to for the beginning

and taken i can vouch that he's correct what he's saying

know what you want to brag about how many shrooms you've done ellen

where have they got you

yeah and by the way that let me just say this as well they actually don't get you anywhere they it all it does is fuel narcissism

they don't actually you don't actually get any insight into anything at all my god

no oh my god all psychedelics will ever do in your all psychedelics will ever do in your life is put you off course your real path and it'll make you take time to get back on your track mushrooms there yh no way

sorry the idea that mushrooms make you more narcissistic is yes they do

i'm sorry ego death so called the so called ego death actually makes you give way more attention to your ego afterwards than you ever did before

it makes you way more narcissistic way more

like literally anybody that like in your chat that's ever done mushrooms is like i'm looking at your chat right now they are just

god i wish i could get sycophants like that that just agree with every dumbshit thing i say isn't that funny that pivot dude if anybody in your chat has done shrooms they'll disagree with you looks at chat chat agree all mushrooms teach you all mushrooms teach you all mushrooms teach you

is that your brain can produce a mental state that is completely off

the rails and off track

and people find that's fascinating because most people are used to like being involuntarily sane but yes you can go fucking crazy and become schizophrenic it's very possible there's nothing impressive about that and you won't learn anything from them i promise you no one there's no fucking wisdom from drugs or psycho that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard the i going actual yourrijana is a well documented

trigger for psychosis yeah the most wisdom i've ever gott in the most wisdom i've ever gott in my life

was reading shit like the bible or something

the amount of depth wisdom and richness you're going to get

from text like that from religious text like that even not even just just ancient poetry whatever the fuck you want ancient myths and things like you're going to get real you're going to get pick a real like

sense of meaning from that just taking psychedelic drugs to prove how fucking meaningless your brand can wrote the bible was high a shit no there's never beene there's no evidence for that y i want to

i want to i want to come to the middle of the road with you here

you've pivoted a few times like on the question of what have psychedelics done for you because you've obviously done a lot but i don't see that as improving your life circumstance but i just want to understand like level with me here

you claim that it's something that would never make you more narcissistic and yet you sit here thinking that you are more enlightened or have received some larger sense of self and you've had your ego death talking to me and has and you'r gatekeeping it because we haven't done the same thing

h you've been wrong on the things like a trigger for psychosis marijuana is i'm sure that you know d m t and other psychedelics

are too

and look at the end of the day

my main point was if you do psychedelics and you're looking for an alternative perspective on life

that should be what it is an alternative perspective that puts you down a different path

but it doesn't look like you've had any positive success yeah kind of reevaluation from all of the time you spent doing drugs and that's because you use them as a form of escapism

i know what you indicates that that's i don't even do them alone

like i yeah that's even worse so listen i can i can read it by other people i can say listen as some as someone who's taken them but he offers listen as someone as someone who's actually taken them i can say

any type of spiritual wisdom you're going to get from psychedalist is extremely lo you may get some but it's an extremely low level and primitive form of wisdom which basically amounts to the fact

that you can look at a world in more perspectives than you thought just at a very base level like for example you aren't psychodogics you're going to have the thoughts you going to be

how many eyes does orange juice have and you're going to think like this is an extremely deep insight which you're going to attach some kind of meaning to

right but it's actually completely meaningless you just find it impressive

that you can find meaning in that statement in a certain mental state right so here's the things you should that's really low level

yeah but you should inter you should read this is what you'll get a lot more value from

read nietsche

read will to power read the tower chanins books

not enough maybe think about that what you thinar about oranges w your high a well like since were maybe actually think about the internalize mele me my book quick

i know i don't care like i don't i don't care that you're not proving anything you're not proving it hom

that's uk i hate him but

hey what's up man how are you

yeah it's also it's like extremely lazy to me because it's like

you know lok guys you can you can you can like you can just take drugs but the actual effort the mental effort it takes

to actually read books and like

master the philosophy of someone like conant or hegel or schelling or whatever the fuck you want like that actually takes so much more

so i have this critique of the gotha program this is just my current libey you literally have this like very

entry level fucking marks

yees i just not i i read it back in high school i wanted to reread it i don't know i don't even see thats

he's read and internalized and studied all of you i've actually listened to capital on audiobook like three times that's pointless literally there's really no reason someone who hasn't mastered german idealism should even bother with capital capal there's no reason you should it's completely i will never understand anything from a book like that it's pointless

mm

stick to the communist manifesto pal ust it's acommend some reading if we're if we're recommending reading i recommend the game of logic by lewis carroll yes is carroll whrote alice in wonderland fantastic book he also wrote an elementary treatise on the determinants

fuck and bas dude it's awesome it's a math book from eight hundred eighty s it's written by the guy ro alice in wonderland how fucking cool is that i think it's cools how you should definitely read this book okgame alternatively if you read aristotle and you actually internalize it you might feel a sense of responding that

oh my god dude

oh my gosh

anyway and see this is the problem is like when i tell you to read a book that if you actually probab agrees with me aristotle soy

that's not no that's not true it's about the effect it could have on you changing your life

psychedelics a're not going to do anything positive for you especially if you use them to escape this bitter reality why do you isyit wait so youre liter thing youan why you're using know

wait can i ask you a question about the yeah ok yeah you'reright you're i'm sorry i miss i don't know what's but i can i ask you a question ok

so you're saying you said earlier that like psychonoics were like the one thing you would consider trying right

or that for that reason that you're laying out but you're also saying that like

you the only reason you would use them is to completely re align your values in a way that like like shifts your perspective in a way enough that like completely changes your trajectory

so if that doesn't happen would you say that it's on satisfactory like a un satisfactory trip

or like what's you walk me through a bit i'm just curious

yes so there's a few this is i'm not doing gocchs or anything iors n so there's a few things the first is that the reason i'm i would i was more interested in like

doing them out of like any other drug is because

they are you know not not synthetically produced right they are more natural they have documented use throughout history not as you know people who wrote the bible but

just generally but

i have since changed it i think i would much rather do cocaine i think that would be really fun it's like caffeines a lot stronger

or sure you think that's based maybe i don't already have changsaysve not looking for something change yesms are bad if you're ever going to try any drug ecstasy is the ones with

he's got haarty drugs on going to the rage the oer ones and they're not good so should make sure you get them safely and you make sure that you're careful with them and do your research but i don't i don't think we can advocate for this psych it's all on a video game it's all a joke

vid i'm singut what i'm saying so right so basically i at this point i think that you know taking psychedelics can basically

um open up a gateway to like hell in your mind yeah i i agree with thatar statistic

um and i don't think the problem is we well i and the reason i was kind of framing this as like well i would do it for a like a reference check or like a

a shift of my frame

the reason i framed it that way is because that's the way that i heard it framed for people who were doing psychedelics i got it from like libertarians i didn't get it from you know like hippies

but

the

argument that i typically see around psychedelics is that is that it provides you a different perspective and so my argument then was if that's the reason to do them is to understand the world better to get that ego death to you know

get a different frame of reference

than doing them over and over and over and bragging about how much you use psychedelics

is a proof that it isn't working and that it hasn't positively benefited your life and if that's the case then your use of them is to find that different perspective over and over and over rather than understanding and reacting positively to your immediate circumstance around here's what i cad sayb here's what i can say about psychedelics

the only net positive psychedelics will ever do is make you sane

ah sorry make you grateful

about the sanity you took for granted before so like when you wake up after like tripping or whatever

there can be maybe a positive experience when you realize how much you've taken for granted always having some kind of coherent

sense of meaning in the world

and that is honestly a very beautiful feeling right

but as far as the actual of that too

yet the experience itself is completely meaningless just like when they're done and they wear off

you're so grateful that you go in it's ok no because when you're on psychodors wen you're on psychodg sometimes you get a scary thought i've only done them twice but the second time especially i was like time i've done everything all the time it's not worth it believe yeah someone who just finally got out of all that

um it is finding my way back as iust do not worth it literally can't like bring up demons or not just saying that the's insight did you get from psychedelics

i thought i had insight but no not not you sorry i'm not saying no i take insight on i'm stupid i'm keep saying the wrong names ellen

allen yeah i think i got yout okay sorry i got a appreciation that my perspective is not

the perspective in terms like what you're talking about reality i got the secifation for my

what as just just being able to see from a different perspective what perspective

like just

from a perspective of like you know not being completely on the ground

like j wms

what do you mean by that

one of

just in terms of like

i was

ok i'll just talk about my sixteen gram mushroom trip

all right

so iok sixteen grams and

that was insane experience but i came out of that like literally as i came out of it like fourteen hours later

i i

and i had to really learn english like i couldn't

talk

like i didn't even know the i i remember being like

ok that's a floor that's a shelf

i couldn't even remember the word for ceiling i was like that's an up floor

and i got to the point the where i everything eventually flowed back to me

and then i was like

ego death for like a complete day and i got a complete appreciation

for just

uh having radical empathy for everything i think jesus did mushroom

ok what you what did you learn from that

i learned the value of radical empathy and how what does that what does that have to do with not

knowing what a chair is

is because i had to i had to learn everything from the ground up it it taught so how does that teach you empathy

oh because the way because i was almost like a baby like relearning everything and its it was able to i was able to see all the things that i had learned that were bad for me

and cast them aside

ex except except except the reading strange

except harassing people on the internet and wanting to meet them up you know i guess i guess i have to do mushrooms again

ok again maybe and maybe next time they'll actually change your life for the better but ok look look at the end of the day you can say you' got all these different perspectives what have they done for your life because i think that you are probably whether or not you admitted on the stream a very unhappy individual who does not really have a good sense of where their life is going you think that you're going to do this whole it on the internet

and and you're really not comfortable with the fact that you know i were actually taking responsibility for cultivating like a real legacy

oh so like because i'm not like out here trying to like have a kid i no no because you're not out here trying to do anything greater than escape the reality of what i was a real life

so do you do anything significant

i have a business

what's the business is it this

i'm not going to talx myself

ok well you don't have to i think he drive he drives around does something for his business right

no that was actually a personal errand that i was doing in chicago

well either way i don't get the sense that you are enlightened that you find some greater truth or some greater perspective you can you know use all these bud buzzwords about i was like a child learning things again i learned empathy and now i understand things better

the way it comes across is that you have not positively impacted the way you live whatsoever and that you are continuously using them i mean what you just said i guess i need to do shrooms again you are using it as a cruch cruch are addictve and you can say i'm adicted i'm you you can't get addicted im doesuns if i don't have you ever heard have you ever heard of a behavioral addiction

you get adicted s m five yeah shut up ok you know all these people a're talking about get addicted to born you can't get addicted to you know these certain kinds of drugs and don't understand actualis literature

i'm laughing because he goes i needn' to do them again

they didn't fuck me up enough

have to do more to fix myself

with relearning empathy proves that you are not comfortable if you're a natural state you are not comfortable with you as a natural man o you're comfortable bing god sober i mean i have a i have a great life i chill i i get money drawing frood you're on twitter twenty four

you are literally not an ounce there's not it there's not it there's not a second why wt people you want to wor ellen there's not a second where you're not o witter and i know how i know that is because every time i make a tweet you're there immediately

instantly

every single tweet i've ever made on twitter as you were in the g to get a break you you literally are in my reply every time i send a tweet you're there every single time

what are you rinding aboutllan allen how does your engagement with me help your life

i think it's just funny to watch you avoid me

is that what happened last time

it is exactly what happened what's going to happen for how is that what happened last time dollar so it's going to happen in the same it's going to happen again friday and that's fgit comfortable

ok like this i'm raising the price i'm raising the price to three thousand now

n see

see that you just don't want to that's it i shouldn't give you the time i don't want to wh i want to do that i man i wouldn't want to you in't want to fight you

no it's like it's like but i just want to say no it's like it's like it's not that he's scary because i showed up last time i just don't want to waste my time make new things and why you can't do you're keep raising the price it's oka just't here you showing up dude yeah that's the that's the things like and even oz has a better

you know actual perspective on matters i would feel good i would be ashamed of actually showed up i hope haz never shows up because he shouldn't grant you that time but stands that his time is more valuable but three three thousand is three thousand is might not be but his is three thousand is a lot i'm going to be honest that's like

a lot of i'll do three thousand fuck i'm definitely going if you send me three thousand on pay pal friday come youre chance he's giving you three thousand dollars don't know you that's a lot of money that three dollarsk right now're sending you three grand for for yart that's where you get your

sense of entitlement that's where you get your your ego from charge thatak youle gave me that much money for that charge your audience is pedophiles that's what i wonder how much of youreions

like it's it's like i specialize in dragging for you i'll take it in bitcoin so you can do a charge back i'll take it in bitcoin coin yeah dragging these ball yeah make it a theory and i get try actually a theory i'm not bitcoin a theory whatever it takes to get out of it has i get it

i don't i don't have to get out anything i relready went last time this is this was just this was just ma on already wen i aready went last n i all watch you and the wager is the wager is alan if you fight my black friend if he wins you have to go to a rehabilitation clinic ok thred every so i'm not afraid of black people has literally agreed to everything i told

he said i should get my tea levels measured and i said i'll bet you ten thousand they're higher than yours and he said he said he said yes he said wr t level he said he said he will he said he will legally commit ten thousand of his dog

he's just a green to right ellen

will you bek one have i have like twenty grand like what you do we will you bet you go bet

half of your net worth

yep

that's how that's how much at the edge of your life you truly are

no that's just how much i know that i have higher tea levels

oh ok it's not a bd it's not a bd if you ok then why doesn't your beard not a bet he's taking it very seriously

why doesn't my beer connect

yes it my beer

your beer beer no because i told him not to

yeat the you just come up with any excuse

you know if you if you get inm to take the bet you could just like take t take to sauce around and then like you'll total you'll definitely whin i don't like

oh fuck that's i'm not saying i'm not record i'm not saying that you wouldn't win any i don't know i have no idea what either of your testosterone levels are especially comparatively but like i cad take i would take ah rg t for two years and still have more testosterone th has

yeah ellen you are the prime example of a raging alpha high tea male that's me

might explain the balding i don't know

am i balding

probably

no there's no boulding here whatsoever

you just have a very big forehead

you take everything so personally

there yeah go this you crazy is that on this guy literally has a neckbeard

no it's high te dude he's a a lot of hair on his nek high tha

yeah i woke up ay like four pm to ellen do you shower

yeah

oh we don't look like it

so ok let's let's let's let's interview you a little bit so let's go ho how how's your relation to your parents

there i already asked that sother so raise you mention this like five times so i was actually raised by two ws a wsor how did i know you were going to say a pack of wolves you're so predictable

you're like an n p c is psychedelics like it does it rewrite the script rewrite code in your brain so you down into just an n p c with these constant lies of what was a btle ar old that's trying to create a church so we can fuck fourteen year oldsyah i get oh my god

perfect yeah response so youre forgt bollsons creek youth pastor look at night with a nineties taco bell sweatshirt i get it it's yeat you know the crazy thing is that

you realize the reason for that is because of modern liberalism too

yeah

w wen you realize that in modern liberalism the thing they attack first are religious

centers of spirituality like that's their number one enemy

it always has been

i doire

you don't care yeah but it's like you're blaming it on religion when it's the opposite

so you know take all these drugs to fid you it's a go the don't care when spirituality around you's already killed righth the spirituality that i've ever seen has been

highly highly corrosive andcept except the drug y christian spirituality is really destructive because they don't believe that you can do whatever you want and be totally free of sin it's like well yeah yeah because i preach responsibility theres you can't live however you want

you not live howevery wt you people you know do whatever you want without it being terribly corrosive to your soul to whatorrosive

i

a kid growing up in the foster system with nobody or a kid having gay parents

what's worse

wait hold on before answer that questionfre answer that question but radical before answer that question you realize the reason there has to be a big foster system is because there's no strong communities or families to begin with when people don't eat it's called usually the next ofch kn raises the child and if it's not the next of kin it's the godfather godmother or like the neighbor or something the reason you have

to have a foster system is because there's no close communities to begin with there was never a

these were so good no the eighteen hundreds

eighteen hundreds was like the pinnacle of industrial capitalis devastation hundreds fourteen hundred

yeah there have always been there have always there have always been foster children but there're especially a big problem in cities

what big influx of foxs a chill incidy think about that yeah we a lot more that what caused the cities

yeah

manufacturing base industrialism what caused industies of rapid march towards progress progressivism at all costs technological social economic

that's what you believe ok yeah you believe you er everything that is helurcity or exactly one hundred b c at the

city of catal hoyuk

over in south there in anatolia

that that's what caused that

look this is this is the simple way of putting it

tradition

conservative ideas are arguing for the things that allow us to exist today it argues for the tradition that caused you and me to even come into existence what you what you what i believe in

is a war on everything that is tried tested and trauc it is a war on everything that has worked and what you're doing is getting all really you know high amry r not we can have this we can have this immaculate progressive future conservatism is evil and you are sacrificing children

families churches communities oh all at the stake all at so the how many all dinner how many of the old and progressive industrial

hey that's that's such like a vulgar thing to say

that's shut bro that's such a fucking vulgar thing to say like

you're immediately going if you want to play that game you can play that game in reverse as well like

don't you don't have to fuck open that can of worms of like direct victims

you wt no ok

iy

that you have here to shure no matter the comers if they don't want to be

well then you should drap it dude

they do sometimes they get raped

yeah this deear literally deranged

you're actually deranged

but it's wey on 's 's more ining so allan i'm guessing you also believe in open relationships too right

i mean i believe they can have i in one you do you do you endorse them

endorse them in the way that i don't have a problem with them if other no like do you think there's nothing wrong with them

i i think that a lot of people get into it and then figure out they're not it's not for them

i don't think there's like super create if somebody is able to think like a good role model is endorsing that

i mean if somebody could make it work for them then whatever i don't how would it work

yeah

how would it work yeah

like polly emory

a man sharing his woman with other men how would i pretty sure that that is the like default way that people were back in tribes

ok i'm pretty sure it's not

yes nobody even knew who the kid who the kids parents were thatough they were all raised by the village

even if that i was strulling bad people neck

who are doing it and they're ine like there are people who definitely andy were raising ll i wet raised by wild wolves i saw doy move noty know like this is been like as recent as like even if that was true even if that was true

you're telling me that in today's society with all the meaning that has

a man can seriously exist not be completely destroying everything that they are

by coming home to

someone whose lips have been se in their face

yeah you can just see oto me it's it's not to spait in the face yes what they can and can't do

and for anything you stand for nothing but that rapid now i sg but i agree i stand for it things and i agree with him on that so i don't know sense

yeah i stand for i stand for less harm i stand for human happiness

i stand i don't you don't you think was happy don't you think when people be like i stand for human happiness but they're not happyun noo here's the issue though when people are com when people have lost any spiritual compass

they have no sense of their family values and they don't know they they don't know how to make sense of things they don't understand like there's mean the meaning is value they don't understand like family meaning

and then someone comes and tells them they're like hey

ah an open relationship yeah you just you don't want to consider women your property so like you know and when your woman sweeps around that's like fucking a

that's empowering or whatever and you know you that's just how that human you know people are going to buy into that shit

and it's going to completely corrupt their soul completely destroy them emotionally it's going to destroy them emotionally spiritually every kind of fucking way

and then because they didn't they haven't actually ever learned on an unconscious level

why that's completely unspeakable i will say that i think polly relationships on average have less abuse in them than the traditional relationships

as they're abusing the spirit they're abusing the soul i would rather them use this re their face i'm so that how do you is there any evidence for that

i considering that like polycules are mostly done by people that have already like donated a lot of their insecurities i would you're basical have been abused yeah we you're basically saying we're basically saying is a can to this idea

that people who are single are abused less than people who are in committed relationships and

you have to be in a committed relationship and give up that level of exclusive trust

for bad things stevehn happened that's why there's trust in the first placeily it's probably been the worst thing for women

it's created a world

where up would you jus say

i think the nuclear family has been one of the worst things for women

what's the newly can you define like like i to hear about this one like like too like

a one household

mam dad

two kids an adult

i what do you what do you so that is what you don't get to go to work are you talking about monogamous families

yes

ok if you're just talking about monogamous families then you're fucking wrong

is literally the thing that has empowered women the most in history what the fuck are you talking about well yes the biggest part that has made the nuclear family is the the generation i like multigenerational household

because i do this problem yeah's see in most traditional societies have grandparents and whatever the having and i think that's good because the guys way more or less likely to smack up his wife of his dads in the he dads in the other room

fe like there's a million other things that are also good about it but i know so we also reduced

is so keyed in on the abuse thing

oh because i had to fight gs important irteen year old again that were hitting my mom

ok

i think in general you're ok i style is tried tested and true listen i think in general in general you're a very troubled and mentally

uh unwell person right

and i think you're using the internet in a very destructive way i'm mentally troubled because i'm ok with

no i think like slf dude it's you just you just projected your childhood trauma on to me

like i and yes you did i literally just said you know you he asked why i keyed into the abuse thing like why is that the first example i go to and i was like well i have a personal experience with it yeah you're like that's why that's why i'm so willing to challenge has because like i remind you of someone in your past which is really creepy because you don't even know i are just trying to find ways to get out of it just ait you're not an alpha male it's fine we all know your beta it's

en even even if that was the test that tests even if that was the test that test has passed because you don't fug and show up last time

so doesn't even matter anymore why w you show up again if you're such a man because i th that was your chance what do you mean show up again tu many fucking times you want to show up the challenge no matter what ok so you're saying so you're saying even if you don't show up again and you do it again i have to keep doing this i don't and then that makes what's makes stupid if

i don't call you i'm an absolute bitch and i will shave my head

yeah but that's what you said last time and look what happened nothing so so hey i so w i think i think we may see we've created the character evaluation i've got my psychiatrist's notes here look here's the evaluation ellen you had a poor relationship with your parents in your youth you saw abuse happen

none of this is good none of this is a feature of a normative or a traditional marriage or society but because you saw it

you are a wlie aloll hold on hold on and i'm not done yet i'm not done yet

you we allowing all of your all of your politics all of your prescriptions and all of your ideas towards the future

around stopping the bad things that you saw happen and you may say and you likely take psychedelics in order to escape that trauma that you had as a kid but at the end of the day all of your politics are a reflection of a reaction to trauma that is still within you trauma that you should address with responsibility with being a better father than your father was with being more of a man but yet instead of

psychology instead of movings living virtuously you continue to cruch yourself with psychedelics and continue to project this trauma you know your politics let me flip it over let me flip it overk

i think that you are wanting to start a church as a nineteen year old

because you get no pussy

and you want to be able to control small women that are sexually youre inexperience in your own life and you want yeah able to control and you want to try to shape yeat that's such a perverted leftist explanation that's what leftist do

let this immediately jump to the most perverted projecting example like as if someone can't actually have as if as if someone on as if someone can't have authentic as if as if motiveyeah as if someone can't as if someone can't have authentic spiritual beliefs and it ougt's all underlied by fucking sad and by the way literallyyche

right ye yeah by the way i you may not be able to relate to this much because you literally look like an ogre

but almost any dude can get pussy dude almost any dude it's not hard and so and so hes so here's let me let me give you the don't youed to start a church for that legally i don't want to art a church i am a proud member of a church of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints i'm ho this church gives me mo some daughter why on hold on youre a talking mormon

ah and here yeah yeah so you can go i got the playy ma inceptions on i want to finis goal i want to finish actual your know i haly i'm a part of a church my parents had a positive relationship i've never seen my parents fight once in their lives

there have been tumultuous times economically for us

financially and what not i get along well with my sister we whatever i w you with mt lives with thirteen year old wivee hold on gimme okay so

ah i guess i have to address this so

you are so confident

the l d s church the actual church of jesus christ of as existed twice as long without polygamy as it ever did with polygamy this schism happened once the church abandoned polygamy and the f l d s church left the church in order to continue practicing it the practice of polygamy in the church for over the last one hundred fifty years would get you excommunicated from it but you are so intelligent that you're conflating the two

you so let just way let me just correct you there because the most you know about my church is a south park episode because that's ho the media take in that's wh you get all of your ideas aside from the trauma that i here in s as a id let me continue what you're saying alan let me continue

my family gets along well i've never fought with my sister my parents don't fight we've certainly not always been you know all the ducks in the row we're not well off financially we have circumstances that actually put us in a very

tight spot financially i what i don't let that actd ruin my life and i don't let that cause me trauma the most important thing to me besides my faith my family and my country and my friends

is the

total

complete prioritization of my happiness and i don't mean and like getting off

jacking off masturbation doing drugs i don't thin that i mean a pure what sense of happiness where i'm happy in progressing i can ultimately find a wife on the road and so if you say i'm trying to prey on inexperienced you know minors or inexperienced women

and i'm experience myself because i are you in saving intimacy tell after i'm married

yeah i'd say that if i was in your case to what year could i join the mormon church what year was it i was i allowed to join again

since the beginning

you still hold onh you are still ok ok ok hold on hold on before you say anything else about the mormon church i want you to think

is it actually true because what you're referencing i'm assuming is the fact that black people in the church

couldn't have the priestthood up until the nineteen sixty s spoiler alert you could always be in the church you just couldn't have the priesthood so you don't even understand that and if you want to talk about blacks in the priesthood we can talk about that you just don't know what you're talking about are stupid and are act

something that was the justification or it was the argument for removing or rather having this perspective of blacks during a time when literally everybody practically in any church had these racial views where they believe that blacks were inferior or bore the mark of cain it comes from a mistranslation of scripture where the term or rather the i think i'm trying to remember the scripture i have some of these memorized because people who don't know enough about the church

bring it up all the time pretending to be intelligent like they've depunto what it was i want to keep spouting stuff off or do you want the answer the answer is that it was a mistranslation of the passage which refers to a complection of whiteness which was not a skin complection and if you actually read the book of mormon and you understand it properly con textually and historically you know that the term or rather a complection of whiteness does not simply

refer to skin pigmentation it refers to a spiritual complexion

being removed from the presence of god gives you a complection of darkness that was the cause of the mistranslation was it used incorrectly throughout church history when the people in the church were racist

sure

but that happens be throughout plenty of church so you're say correct translation to justify racism you don't understand what you're talking about you was like an accident

or or do you think it was just kind of like a convenient like no i think i thy could ut az there aple very conveniently they said you know during the time where most church members you know had had these certain racial views it's not at all a like an accident that they use this scripture to justify the beliefs they had that's notll an accident

it is incorrect but it's not not an accident you're saying all the time butll the thing came to like they came to an agreement that it was a

that it was a bad thing they were like oh we mistranslated it that's how it came to yes so so again because you know lot about the trth want you answer your question oh i want to keep saying stupid stuff you want me to answer your question i go wt you w say stupid stuff you want to kee saying stupid stuff go ahead go ahead all right so like

so it wasn't in one nine hundred seventy eight the presidency in the quorum of the twelve led by sp spencer campbell he basically did what i was doing five minutes ago and just had declared that he had re thank you jacks elevation that it was time to end the ack you sayd restriction lincoln yes so he

i would have i would have easily

answered your question the answer to your question is that our church has continuous revelation in the latter days we do not believe we have received the entirety of revelation we believe that we receive revelation in accordance with the time that we are in relevant to that context

there is a time and a place for certain revelation

and there was a time and a place for the revelation to the head of the church that this doctrine or rather this practice was outdated and that such a mistranslation was inaccurate

so the twoentyd thirteen when the l d s church posted an essay stating that the ban was based on racism thn revelation and avoud racist theories of the origin they were really bullshitting or what

no that's true i think that is from the gospel topics essay where they say it's not about doctrine it's about you know like a racist

justification

that that's literally my argument

it's not dr ellen if you knowf you read the book of mormon if you read the bible you' find out there's not really a justification for the misory of other groups on the basis of their race s this this is exact books this is exactly how these liberals operate

they watch the south park episode and they feel like that their ignorance i actually they feel like the feel like the fact that they heard i the very fact that they've heard a whole bunch of bullshit and lies somehow like gives credibility to the lie so the burden of you is like you're the crazy person for defending the truth when a wll it's being fucking revealed is that you were fed a whole fucking host of fucking lies and ignorance and misconceptions and by

the way ellen don't let this as like mock when like rule people are ignorant about foreigners or minorities or other religions and they have all these like backward views and stuff and then when you try to educate or correct them you feel like you're so superior this to just fucking gave you a lesson you had no fucking idea all these ignorant misconceptions you had about his church

and you have nothing to fuck and show for you don'tn have an i so i di't know that ea weren't allowed as priest unte hundred seventy eight n no no that's not what you said that is not what you said you said when would i be allowed in your church since the beginning ok you just couldn't receive the priesthood

and that's why revelations imporan you you just had to stand in the back and you just couldn't talk that much and you don't understand it wasn't because of that wasn't because of the religion that was because of the circumstances of fucking race at the time

because of the religiion never have never been used intertwined at all time there was never a biblical

justification for my great great great grandfather slavery definitely yeah yeah of course they tried to use religion to justify everything no no no what you're saying is literally my argument the justification of ex and you and otherl on on the the justification of exodus and proverbs and the old testament for slavery is an inaccurate reading of the bible

and the new testament so you're arguing so so what

people can miss misrepresent and mis translate misuse the bible to justify bad things what's even co that's why continued revelation is important arguing our argument more stupid aboutven more stupid about talk

i would say that's why it's important to be very skeptical when people are trying to use the authority of the creator of the universe to make claims about how people should live their lives that's what i would say is more important know he's the thing whateveryone's missing here or what ellen's missing here is that

the entire not only just almost all the slave rebellions like nat turner's

but the entire abolitionist movement drew its fucking legitimacy and justification

from religion and from the fucking bible

that's not even under contentionlicitly disagreed with the part that theiro they didn't the abolitionis always religious fundamentalists atually yet if you want you actually want to look at history the raceist were actually more atheistic and more inclined to believe in darwinistic views about you know they were more atheistic and the most fervent

fanatically religious elements of society at the time we're leaning more toward abolitionism

yah no true true yeah the problem is the problem is that all throughout history people find faiths or rather they they have politics and then they find a faith to justify their politics yeah you need to do it the other way around you need to find your faith

and then find your politics man of the clock here how do you feel about fsan six five

and let me look this up if we're doing like the verse by verse

or do you want i re read it yeah yeah thank you bond servants obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling with a sincere heart as you would christ

oka a bond servant is referring at the time

first of all the majority of people were some kind of bond servant one way or another like

even feudal lords could be bond servants to their king or something like that like

that was just the chain of hierarchy that defined the world before modern republics

and universal states

before the existence of universal states almost everyone was a servant of some kind

uh huh

bye by

do you think that like

people from the civil rights movement would agree with frairs and here's a question question for you do you understand the differences between biblical slavery and slavery in the early america

catle slavery and like

ser like indentured servitude there's yeah there's a lot more differences there were rights given to slaves back in the time of the old testament there was a reference given to slaver depends on who you depends on which societyes different sociyo no modern slavery by the way a lot of people know this

first of all modern slavery is completely unique in the history of mankind compared to every other type of slavery

second of all

modern slavery is the product

of a type of atheistic heretical kind of gnostic materialism

that w took root after the renaissance

which had more to do with the revival of neoclassicism

and like ancient greece and kind of paganism and was kind of actually representing an abandonment of religion as a matter of fact

the americas was seen by people who wanted to circumvent the rules of old europe and the church as well

as like a beacon of like the future and freedom and like a way to like for example the conquistadors not many people know this

we're like very cynical ah and

particularly after riches a lot of them they were catholic as fuck what are you talking about actually a lot of the kingkisa doors the people on those expeditions

converted to catholicism

having come from muslim or other backgrounds sometimes

because they had to

but actually no it wasn't the case that they were all very devoted catholics or well hold on hold on hold on before

from the new international version i do the king james version but what does it say

in literally verse nine and masters treat your slaves the same in the same way do not threaten them since you know that he who is both their master and yours

is in heaven there is no favoritism with him so yeah i don't know if you're trying to say that like the slavery in the americas was like the same as in the bible where you know the slave masters were saying i never you i sa

i was saying that people used it as a justification for the moderns yes we yeah you and we agree but that verse and the context of slavery in exodus and in egypt at the time explain that there is more nuanced and that slaves are not treated the same as they were in americal with in fordentured servitude

i know that's like i think same argument because you have classysem in hindu yeah i think i think i i was a manally a sleeve system

but they're slowly moving out of that you could use tex to just yeah actuly the main operative thing here is that all of

all of that slavery and whatever you want to call that

all that was from paganism

none of that was actually the result of the abrahamic religions

you don are you pagan

i do have a homs over here

but every when you make you know i thank you so much bullets appreciate it a lot thank you bullets appreciate it and was like the medium by which those things were used rightight justified right like you were saying about christianity i know it actually has origins no no it literally has origins in pagan beliefs

yeah but

that's notin all christian not no not paganism wasn't only a way to justify them

paganism was also

a lot of these practices

were emerged because of pagan beliefs

in the first place

and by the way yh ftions a funtion syst literve so what i am sure that things are introduced

ok but if we move forward like way after the things are introduced then people at that point are just kind of using it in the same way that they might use christianity or something else some other no because i think the thing is is that

humans were never animals we always had some kind of spirituality

and we said you know depending on your view for a lot of the time when these civilizations were built that was from pagans

so these hierarchies and these kinds of like slavery and that kind of stuff a lot of practices were created by paganism

i'm not disagreeing with that i'm talking about the way like

then

it seems like de i mean if you're not doing this it seem it seemed like you were bringing it up as like as like a slam against like

but i mean i'm not like a pagan or anything i don't know but like

if it but like it for that to be like a dig against paganism it would also have to be i feel like in the way

that it was perpetuating these systems i feel like it would also have to be a dig at christianity but no because christianity has led us to the world

that

overthrew these

remnants of paganism

well couldn't people say that about like secularism

secularism

first of all secularism was from the thirty days thirty years war

i'm not talking about the origins yeah but i'm talking about like how they've been used right

no no it's not because for example the movement against serfdom and all that kind of stuff

like

ah

all of that's the culmination of christianity

if there's a reason why it is great

there's a reason why like two thousand years after christianity you have all these things happen

whereas for like ten thousand years total nothing there was not any kind of movement towards that

ok

and i think we're talking past each other but i yeah i understand i understand what you're saying

he's a christian

but i don't know what you expect oviusly he's going to say that stuff

is he a christian

not on a catholic i believe are you a catholic

no i'm actually muslim

i a bas

wk i'm sorry if you i could kind of tell you were muslim

yeah muslim

wait did i say right ash cn

no probably not

it a malgna

so say i got to say i i'm

actually really glad to get to talk to you i think i think that some of some of the stuff you talk about right now is kind of kind of insane but i i've really enjoyed your content

a decent amount i re i loved when you debated perspective philosophy and he cat he was so sure that he like

that he was going to just dominate he and he came out their side like well you actually you actually understand a lot about this and i honestly it was really funny so i what do you think about the ukraine russia

thing

coder

i i it seems pretty bad for those ukrainian people i think it's not good

you should listen to has on this issue i've listened to has has to say about it

the money it's just like oh this nazi country with a jewish president and jewish prime minister

that's the dumbest argument i've ever felt you pro yeah you don't think jews are probably believe that hitler was jewish

i don't actually believe d ller was yours oh ok i think that was part of an anti semit

yeah that's that's like the dumbest thing i ever heard like

even if we assume that it's not possible

but a of wing has no representation in parliament yet they don't that that's evident that the had poer one point the fact that as all has no on the fact that as of has no representation in parliament

is actually proof that azov's significance and its over representation in the operations of the national guard

doesn't come from the ukrainian people but a ukrainian deep state which actually does pull the strings and so as for lenskis a fuking actors lenski has no power in ukraine at all he's a fucking actor he was thatet up for that position yet this what's happening right now survives like we do with rong and recca obama solenski is a nobody he's a fucking drug addict actor he's literally

nobody he has a knowo drug a drug addict actors have been just pouncing on you lately so

you should give us some prob for example

oh that i was making a joke about destiny but whatever

we're kids

well detiny's going to get out now so you won't be able to i think destiny lons coming to our side

has he gon on

that's cool he's i

i knowy were yars to

i think that's not lost to my odates i am

the thing is i actually that's actually something i probably disagree about i don't think destiny i think destiny's trying to like

do this manipulative thing

we he's trying not a lot he's trying to draw people over to the the liberal side

but the thing i think's going to happen is that they our side's going to well your side is going to win out he's going to be

forced to come over this way

so we decided you just have to keep you know

i don't know i think i think he's always going to be the mystic of you

i think he'll always go with the democrats no matter what

i think he'll always hold some of those beliefs but i think that if he sees

the tides are changing he'll get on the banwork

i don't know

what i what i think is that america is going to increasingly become more like

clamping down on civil liberties

like this is my prediction

right

trump twenty twenty four if it fails or if something happens there's going to be a complete takeover by the democrats

and a deep state

complete curtailment of the constitution and civil liberties

and they're going to need propagandist cheerleaders to like justify all that and i think that's where destiny's going to be

i think he's going to be like at the fe of like apologizing for how are the democrats going to take over in twenty twenty four

there hopefully

well i can't we can't actually wwich has a policy where you cannot question the legitimacy of

civil procedures as i call it

a the election was borrowed

no i'm not i'm not no we're not talking about that we're just saying that

ok yeah let's ok let's say for example let's say there's like a civil war that happens which is also very possible

and the democrats or the deep state they easily win that

because of the lack of preparation on the other side

then just like january sixth that's going to be like an unprecedented ability like january sixth

now american citizens are domestic terrorists

that's the pre that was the pretext for like one of their biggest waves of censorship through big tac ever

and also there's now there's actually like like prosecution from the government and shit that got involved

so

i mean yeah i mean that's why trump was banned from twitter too i mean

so

if something like that happens at a higher scale they're going to use that to completely

destroy the constitution

right

yeah

these private companies enforcing their t o s is going to destroy all or so yeah i love so you're supposed to be a leftist right

and are you saying that ironically because i mean it's happening before your eyes and you still deny it what is what is happening before my eyes so wait just because it's a private company doesn't mean h

it's not a fundamental curtailment of our freedom of speech

yeah that's i don't i don't think i don't think you have a right to a twitter account

yeah so you don't have a right to actually express your opinion on what is considered today's public forum that people actually

itle's not a pal voice on priv

ok that what you're saying is literally a fucking rightt because it's a popular private forum doesn't make it a public there ok government fund you're yeah youre yeah you're literally you hold on you're literally calling yourself a leftist can't so like what ok ok wa

isn't the relationship between a laborer and an employer a private relationship

sure what about during the shut downs too when this was the only public forum you can get cause you couldn't congregate

ya cake

a was of the only there was other ones

government what you want to have the want to hey if you want to have a government created social media carn go for it then you get aed of yeah hold on the first of all social media is already controlled by the deep state we all know that it's all been confirmed everyone knows atroll by capital i don't know it's controlled by the fh us what you call it you call it the deep states of capital

yeah i didn't know leftism means denying reality so second of all yeah it's the and by the way i don't call myself fucking leftists so

that's ok second of all

are you anti capitalist

it's that's just meaningless what do you mean

i'm against the existing monopolies i'm against the fucking big ta i'm against wall street and i'm against the ruling capitalist class

what does that mean what does that mean because

you say that and then you guys are like oh

i can define cap i don't believe in everything being a co op no and i sti i believe that there's going to still be yar i'll define i want to know if you're against this you are you against an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit rather than by the state

then the us is not capitalist

yes it is

no it's not

by that definition the usa is not capitalist right now our trade and industry are controlled by the state

not it's not it's not directly controlled by the state but it's also not controlled by private individuals no it's not

corporations are not fucking private individuals second of all the level of cooperation between the government

through regulations and corporations through regulatory capture of course it's not fucking capitalis we are you talking lookle at the federal reserve

our fucking interest rates serve as a private company

exactly and guess what it's fucking controlled by the government

it's

yes

i thought it has a board and then they you have sex a ary line

between what is a corporate private corporation and what is the government and you have money moving back and forth freely across that line

you can't really say it's either or

so you're left in is murky water and that's how

the capitalis system that we're under right now

they use that against us

so that we can't get the things that we want out of the system and that it's not for the people anymore

yeah it's all based on debt too it's all based on printing money

well like debt

as a

not like the worst way to do even like before capitalism and stuff like that having debt with other people do you know that was actually considered rude to not have a debt with a fellow merchant ok i can't believe in twenty and twenty two leftists are literally just defending debt

yes like you so so this is what left in the means in twenty twenty twoen you defend you defend government i'm you do you defend fucking vaccine mandates

you defend fucking private corporations being able you defend private corporations being able to censor whever the fuck they want and now you're also going to fucking defend fucking banking financial fucking capital and debt

now debt is good too w the fox

debt between traders you wanted to cut me off because you you like i defend usury

it is like what foer

it's actually not a isery o there you go i yes i'm ok with it

it's literally just satanist at this point you're literally just a satanist at this p i just don't know it good economics requires a little satanism

yeah yeahyh you're just wrong yeah i like having a bank and like people that can invest into productive capacity yeah' as t v yeah but having an economy based on debt is not good

no it's not it's coming in

no i'm is one hundred percent correct you think that debt's a good idea need to go back and reevaluate you're pucking education having certain kinds of not all debt is bad

yeah

i would i would say that like all that is pretty equal right

no actually depending on the debt how much there is of it all debt is not created fucking equal you shouitd don't mean just i don't is terrible

having a deficit though is not yeah ok product ok productive productive loans that are based on like actually p investing in productive industries and then

temporarily having it paid off later ok that's a good type of debt i guess but hold on but but that's not an economy based on debt that's an economy based on productivity not debt

a lot of the debt in productivity go hand in hand what the point i was trying to make earlier is that in ancient times when merchants

used to see it was considered rude

to completely pay off your debt with somebody because it implies you would never see them again

so like these debts and stuff like that are part of continuing relationships of course some debts are bad and need i think the i think most of

i think most people talked about or go i think that most people who ever come into contact you want to pay their debt off with you

hey what do you think you've paid a loans ellen

o i think those a terrible

so what do you think the difference between usury and payday loans is

i think not all usury is made equal

i think that i would rather the government take completely take control of the payday loan industry and the people who are

radically usury i make people not there be a limit

based on like how much debt you can accrue

make it a percentage of how much you a

you get i think like or make the end make the what you call

make make the the

interest enough to disincentivize just doing it randomly all the time

but make it small enough to where it's accessible to make economy the economy go smoother

so true

wy we going to wk a pd article for usury just acause i asked

they don't don't know much about the history of like how this word was used and i thought it was interesting that like i feel like we're maybe like jumping around with definitions of i thought when you said usury initially

that we were just talking about like charging interests of any kind

right but i mean apparently i mean now it's more synonymous with like it's almost tautologically the unethical or immoral monetary loans that on the unfairly enriched lender so i would be against that

but i you know i'm not just against charging interest so i think that that point of clarification is good if we're going to continue talking about usury

yeah

what's up c t v oh he just lefht he left

i

so you coud timing

i'm such a c t v head

i'm in the wolf ph usury ok i you it was like the act of lending at all i didn't realize that it implied unreasonably high rates of interest obviously i

i'm pretty sure usury is basically like any type of usually it's like a type of security like when you invest in something

you get a guarantee that you're somehow going to get the money back and that guarantee is what makes it user use the basic idea is that

by insisting on that guarantee you're denying you you're claiming that you know what god's

like plan is for

what's going to happen

i me silently

like that definition means that you're like against betting at that point

no because no no no no you can bet

but you can't have a guarantee you're going to get the money back

yeah i mean with usury

yeah has to be clear to be clear has right that's gambling and gambling is something that you would be

and i would be against to write a gambling yes is where you don't have a guarantee yeah gambling

yeah but

it's it's not just gambling because the investment is usually going to be like rational like it's you're going to p

invest in an enterprise

and if it performs well

then you'll

you'll get a profit and if it doesn't then you made an unwise investment you know

yes so i get the difference there right one is a like a potential investment where it is a gamble versus like another like a pay day loan situation

or like just making a bit

right that being a real gamble because

you're also in the chance that you'll be able to pay off the thing before the the kick ass interest fucking kicks in and the next thing you know you're daded your your next two children you know what i mean yeah and also actually yeah and another important thing though is that like gambling is based on like pure chance

what's that

whereas

the productive investment's like there is a divine plan i'm talking theologically but you just don't know what it is you only know what it is after it happens

that makes sense

yeah it's like' you're taking a chance on the capabilities of the people that you have working towards your goal versus like yeah taking a chance on the system that

is completely either random or organized a situated where they know who the winner is going to be ahead of time kind of like being the house

exactly and i guess you know yeah

yeah

it

yeah like i i think hot super high interest rates are bad

i'm up

payday loan stuff like that should

not be a

like i don't think that industry is heavily predatory i don't think there's anything wrong with like having a place you can go to get a two hundred dollar bet

and then after

you have to decide what i mean two hundred dollars loan

you have to decide what loans are ok and then what

how about we just make them all leave right exactly state what meanspreas out you knowing

andy had a cut off so you're still kind of the same place you are now going to be people to push the line

and then it's going to happen all over again is what

i mean a lot of people

well i mean well we really need to reinstate glass steagall where we make a distinction between commercial banking and investment banking i would support that yeah

but

see like the thing is is that this guy whatever his name ellen you you believe in like the green new deal so you basically believe in

stripping america of its real industries

and replacing it with things that cannot produce any net you will not produce any thing to say that renewable energy cannot

uh cannot be uh meet

future demand it cannot

renewable energy cannot replace oil in terms of industrial growth

it's not enough to fuel the growth and development of new industry so you want to be even if we have the ability if you want to bring manufacturing back to america and you want to bring back like heavy industry jobs

then at the at any type of significant scale renewable energy is not going to be able to we got a super chat

no by that sorry i forgot to mute myself no keep going got pretty all excited

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i thought he was going to say something but you wt read the super chat no's not bad why noth s c

to more traditional denominations of the church i wi carry the maate wel syste where

what's up

can i demand well that would be fun

you think you would stand a chance and i would destroy doile you would des o youd you can't you can't keep up with me you would not bus i can keep up with both of you with my hands behind my back no no you can't i could i don't you know you no you go by the way yeah ego death yeah you go you realize you do realize this is the internet your hands weing behind your back don't actually make a name a difference

that being jd allouh that being said let's get back on topic right

thomas ejefvererson addressed this issue way back in the day on the floor of congress when he said

if the american people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency first by inflation then by deflation

the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive

the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the cons of that their fathers conquered

i believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies

the issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs

black this is why andrew jackson's on

oh yeahtion also i i've i learned that oh let's go do i've learned that hamilton but right i've learned hamilton

hamilton exat in his famous last words were i killed the banks yes sir let's flip and golow also alexander hamilton i've heard

got a bad rap and he was actually good like he be he promoted a

a developmentalist economy where banks were actually be used by the government

to promote manufacturing and promote industry here

yeh that's why he called thatt honestly hed a lot of really good raps in the musical

no no that's why that's why

that's why you cat

that's why he caught it honestly for some why it's that's why he caught that sweet shot you guys remember that right

by aaron berd

neow yeah sweet shop ber

put shut

but the i have no problem with more democratic control of the banks as far as it i

as it creates more human happiness and more human wealth

in the average w banks create more human happiness so literally yeah i literally don't need banks or governments to create you happiness i need banks and

and corporations to create the vision human beings to be able

right to exchange commerce and human beings to be able to get their own happiness

cv the pursuit of happiness is the american dream to pursuit he agrees with you cee t v i think that yeah i like the conclusion always so ellen why do you believe in a green what is iten what is the green new deal then

that you want agree to deal wasn't even like actual legislation it was like a loose proposal right yeah was i it was i exact if you whatere going to be doing more in the doable energy i'd rather the manufacturing sector for it be here than somewhere else

he but we are not actually going to replace fossil fuels anytime soon

i even if we even if we don't completely can replace fossil fuels i would rather the production and export of

the solar panels and windmills and all the

stuff that's going to go so you know have you know about windmills and what they do

they kill birds right they kill halibert they don't give us cancer they don't they don't last and no one cares to repair them

yeah that's what happens yeah 's a weekly the shud broken down in the in the midwest wre they got them all put up there broken down they fall apart it's not true like lines and shit to

no pipelines are inherently different because you don't have an electric motor attached to fucking fin blades they're trying to spin cassle leve right so like here's a reality yes it

what they don't explain to you is that these windmills are producing e c electricity

right and then has to potentially either go into the system

so that supplying steady electricity or potentially some battery system and then you're trying to hold the power

and that right there is inherently where your problem comes in either you have to actually be running electric motors to produce a c electricity for the system

or you have to be able to store that energy in such a way to where then it can go back into that system but the problem whenever you

exchange the energy for either a c to d c there's always a loss of energy through heat

right

so either way you're losing on that deal

and

the only way to keep it is to figure out ways to be able to produce that energy without producing as many carbon out or as much carbon output w nuclear power is that

hydroelectricity is that right

but whenever you're using these other forms it just doesn't work it doesn't work out the same

like if you wanted to the you know to do

if you wanted to have individuals put a battery system and solar panels inside their own home to help supplement the system

well that's one way to approach it right that's actually the very best way to approach it but whenever you try to start

making this system

exponentially big right wre like is now it's covering acres and acres of land

right to try to then move that electricity that was gathered in this field where the solar panels were all put up to go into the battery system so that it can be supplying the a c system but is much larger to many much more people

you then don't have the ability to account for surges in the system for say like summer months whenever there's more air conditioners running

right or potentially in the winter where there's more electric heaters running

right so

because you don't have the because in there's a lows whenever the temperatures are good and then it's also going to depend on where you're at and how much energy you're going to actually be needed to use to keep people comfortable

that's why you've got to have you've got to have fossil fuels right now because you don't have nuclear power plants to be able to take that load and that's what you're going to have to have

for that next step

yeah and you need the space and isn't there a problem with the batteries too you got to mind for the batteries and you have to dispose of the batteries too

so they act like it's going to be great for the environment but it's going to have just as many issues as anything else that we're using right

i mean obviously won't have the carbon in the air but still

not

i know ellen what

policies do you want as a radical democrat

what do you want

and i would like student i would like as many bear financial barriers to education eradicated

outtad i'm glad we agree the first thing you can do is get yourself a smartphone or internet cable device so that you can look up any questions you have

well yeah but i i need like just take all the stuff for like degrees and stuff like that like i think you're meaningless

degrees you suprise would you say it was a quick for the internet for everyone oh on if you support loan debt

isn't that what the politician bidon promised

i don't support all low don

so but by didn't promise that

didn't he for his election campaign

i didn't expect him to follow through with it i just voted for him because he wasn't trump

ok so who do you trust would follow through with that

that kills me part

there's so many things because a lot of this debt industry is has gotten so big that it's literally gigantic percentages of our g d p like a what i think a big reason why a lot of politicians don't want to touch health care or all these things becauses i think like health care industries like health insurance

accounts for like five for s can you answer the question w what politicians do you support

m

i guess like

sanders because they're the best we have at the point

i can't really vote for right so what is bernie done for anyone

oh i he has

supported

many social issues he what is heer done for people what do is he actually given to people

bernie got an answer for you i'll tell you what bernie's done for people he got them all excited thinking there was going to be some kind of change

and then when the moment came for him to be able to either step up to the plate and actually fight back against his own constitent or is his own party

right and take the mantle that the people that were supporting him wanted to

he was like

well

can you come out and support joe biden

and we all know he didn't have enough support to do what but say he did not have of the as much power as you're laying it out like yeah that moment like i think some we not gt more than joe biden

yeah it apparently not apparently not at all right apparently w why did ok then why did bying i don't like the way i don't i don't like the way that the democratic party does their primaries the republican party is just making excuses so what do you know know this is an excuse on all one day across the country

i would be ok with that anda like screwing people across ok so you're talking about what you want but what do you support concretely to realize your goals

oh like in terms of like

uh i guess i would just uh vote for more socialists um get more involved in your local communities

all right so i think i think what you're trying to say is that

vote democrat forever every election

vo blue no matter who

vote blue until there's something better when and when will there be something better

you still do it

i wonder if sirley was opos did' know whos who's somebody who's been better

y who'srm was better i'm i was not he was better was way better

trump was everybody trumping i dot it a tuking trade war for china with china for no fucking reason that we'rere right now what he talking about yeh he started the soy trade war and by didn' st and by dien sanctioned one of the biggest i don't want any of it but re war on we had to give three billion dollars to our soy farmers because we got into an unnecessary trade and the thing is

the chinese actually liked that trade wark is it holw it helped them too and we both benefited from it so was the problem both benefit from yeah we had to give three billion dollars to our f yeah american industry gets promoted and chinese industry gets promoted and we competition we just got buck

yeah i don't know about that

yeah we did we absot so what's going on right now for the average american

the average americ like what i would i wanted those those the child tax credit to continue

that would have been great

that the amount of the amount of money why did most americans against the child tax credit

did they vote against the shelx they were pulled against it

who was polled against it what poll

when they were asked only like sixty one percent said they did not want to see it reinstated in the next deal

what poll is this and i guess it's good that it wasn't then that's democram last year look up polling i look up the the unpopularity of the child tax rate it's well known it's not popular i was it a popular i don't you post it

it's not unpopular because people associated with the exorbitant spending that's corresponded to the inflation which is what they actually have a problem with do you think that the large amount of social spending is what contributed to today's inflation

in part yes absolutely

but how much of a part

spending in general has

all spell if that's true then how come japan germany and hungary have not been able to spend their way out of their deflation crisis

why have they not been able to spend their way out of it

yeah because if you can't spend your way out of any crisis

yes you can know what yeah you can know we know you can with

with covid we definitely

thendd our way out of that crisis

no we didn't the crisis is still here

what in terms of people getting it but in terms of like how bad it could have been economically it could have been so it's that's bad economically

bad it's notanyad you know omically but it could have been so much worse if it did fl bad and it is ands that'sy one of the few things that i think trump did well

was the amount of social spending we did in the aftermath of covered if we would have been that

on the ball for like two thousand eight is right that wouldn't have taken so does money come from trees do just like spend money you know throw it as the econmy trees w remind us but oh honest something big di mention is is

just kind of a wake up call for any you know more right leaning people it is you know just a big slap in the face like

you know the spending of what fifteen billion dollars on ukraine

passes like overnight and then thirteen point six billion or fifteen point someth billion dollars which were literally allocated

to be a stimulus for covied

the republican party just starts talking about

you need to cut spending somewhere like your part of me is just like dude

i just give money to families just do yes absolutely

and regardling

all the difference is that like republicans

and you know obviously there's a bickering and there's you know throwing stuff into the bill but republicans will appily spend for foreign wars and then when it comes to

you know actually spending on american families they're like well we need to cut spending and what can we cut aay what's the famous two poly

you know

i lot of never listen to to powllo genius or you just you just fucking named a rapper that has been pretty alenthow over the last twenty years a fucking social media and you say you remember that one rock and that one quote that was a fucking a lot of them are you shit me

come on me talking about w we we talking about like funcking i c p who just brely had a fuking name in the fucking industry we're talking about two pok ok o

yeah but i want to he t always have money for wars but can never feed the poor that was just the we

how about how about

eisenhower he was pretty good to

yeah he made a good highway system so ellen what exactly do you stand ight because up to your p you seem to be so angry politically

that you've decided to resort to like endlessly every tweet i make you respond to it

you're always fucking on my castle

what are you actually so strong in your convictions about

that don't i don't know i'm not a big fan of atrocity denial what a trocities specific taking the taking of agency from the ukraine

it was so you mention two things

and you haven't explained

either of them so explain expand on that i'm trying to understand what you're getting at

well oh like just like symping for russians war russia's war of aggression the russian imperialism

ands kind it's kind of disgusting you know it's it's really gross to do i as a leftist am privately against did you find the killing of the people of the dawn bas for eight years gross

yeah i don't even know about it conf like

yeah i about it is there any reg

is there any record of you condemning it or expressing your discuss or anything like that my account was made in march so

your account on twitter was made in march

yeah beson

you made a twitter account just to harass me

no that just happened to happen

okay did you know be

is there any evidence you knew about don bass existing before fair i about

i haven't had an

online

paying for more than it is a paid operative for d g g yeah know actually i don't see the d d n c alabt people being killed but russia

right

prolem here the problem here is with the left is it

was

sponsored by russia sponsoring separatists in the region

hold on wait wit wait

so because the people in the donbas rejected the results of a coup

that overthrew their president that ninety eight percent of them voted for

that they decided to declare their independent e what your goddamn mind thinks that is a fair vote

thank you

well that wasll many wk are you saying that are you saying that i w wait wait are you saying are you saying that's voted on on i you become present with nine percent voting for me but but that was ukraine's electoral system that was the ukrainian electoral system come on you know you like here

you know what am i deflecting they overwhelmingly supported anako you think crimeas vote was was legitimate

absolutely

oh you're foolish it

the quitee what we are you don't eat your our tea money you go through the correct channels to get one i want to i want to ask this this new guy dan the step

what about the crimean election was illegitimate

much of the legitimacy

was done through pressure

and coercion

can you give examples of that coercion

well you mean you we had a whole terried country of russia invading the region

course wait what happened before that ity yah just

but this is you're just not

' just aflecting wait if we assume there's an invasion that

it wasn't wasn't

hold on what am i def just because i'm pushing back and disagreeing with what you're saying doesn't mean i'm deflecting

you saying that

you're trying to make it seem like russia invaded then at gunpoint had people that is exactly what happened as exactly wy but before theus russian invasion the people of crimea came out and droves to protest the parliament to declare independence

that was a russian color revolution i wasn't re i have any evidence of that being a color revolution have as much evidence of it as you do of the one being one in kiev so can you give me any examples of crimean popular will being against independence from ukraine

yeah when the tatars and the other minority groups are a minority of the population yes

oh so because they're minorities that don't matter it's not what i said and it's so called democracy majority rules doesn't it

yeah but i don't think the majority was represented considering it what the what were the two options on the referendum

independence or join russia

ok so what about for people who wanted to remain with ukraine

m

they they were they had no voice in crimea practically none

uh i

why

because they were so marginal and such a minority the it wasn't even on the itinerary at that point

wasn't on its agenda i'm sure do you think putin maybe had a vested interest in crimea due to natural gas regions being found in the black sea

no i think the and wasn't afraid of this smart thing would to say that the smart thing would be to say that it's because of crimea sports not because of gas in the black sea russia has plenty of gas act to forget they have plenty of gas but they would have had diminished influence because you had a westernized country on their border that through fracking all of a sudden had the potential to become europe's second petrol state and completely diminish ok

geopolitical only reason russia the only reason russia was ever able to invade anywhere whether that's we're talking about in osatia kazia

transnistria

or now we're talking about dawn bass whator crime exist is because the peoples living in those regions overwhelmingly are against

the status quo existing there and when you have a an illeg constitutionally illegitimate coup that throws sovereignty up in the air and it does allow people to say we if you're going to have a coup we're just going to declare our independence from you and they do have a right to do that you have part of russia

but on

you you need evidence from me that the south osstians were overwhelmingly pro russian

i know we what was the like what was the

the fucking justification

what what why

w w because like i sent because like i said before

in the aftermath of the fall of the soviet union the south osstians were fighting with the georgians

to join north osetia because the georgian parliament as it out purely out of georgian chauvinistic nationalist aggression decided to dissolve any all of the autonomy the south osetians used to have under the soviet union was completely removed their parliament their governance their autonomy completely gone so the south ostians

wanted to join the north osatians who had more autonomy under russia than they would ever have under georgia and that was the origin of me under russia

why don you you have a source for that what youy goy

what moral autonomy can i get from what

i said what no not moreal sorry what autonomy what more autonomy did osatia get from joining with russia

they didn't join with russia now what would they have goten what kind of ato the same one that's enjoyed by north ocetia

okay which is

ah i would north ocetia to my knowledge has independent governance

north osatia let me see what you di risent know i just hear you googling right now

it's a republic it's a republic hold on i don' it's not on me so i' i want it i want it what i didn't know was whether it was a republic or an obla a blast or whatever it's a republic so chechnya is a republic within russia

is well russia has republics within the federation that's what it's called the russian federation

and i

it's like an autonomous republic within russia the answer to at the end of the day

obviously at the highest level of sovereignty the russian federation

oka

you try to like this black and white thing like russia bad anywhere they go into doesn't want russia there and they fight against m but it's not the yeah that's not the case

theres so much history

and there's so many different peoples there that you can't just boyl russa haves russia has less to offer than the west does

ok that may be your opinion that is not the view how ok is that's on but that's opinion that's not the view shared by the people in eastern ukraine or crimea who overwhelmingly supported yanukovych who was illegally deposed

and at that point they didn't want ha

you're laughing what was a legal about the deposition of yanoko

yeah what was legal about his impeachment

according to the constitution of ukraine i love it when my president runs away to russia

i love when my president does that oh my god

ok

so

yanuko question so yanukovych was legally voted according to ukrainian's constitution to be the president of ukraine according to the constitution of ukraine

you would have needed three hundred and thirty eight members of the parliament to impeach yanukovch only three hundred twenty eight

voted to impeach him

which did not reach the constitutional requirement despite that he was ousted

form presidency

was that

a constitutional according to the laws of ukraine

i don't know and i don't care

exactly so that's really kind of what it boils down to right

so i'm talking to the an guy though i'm talking to the an russia bad guy russiabout you guys don't care about the history you don't care about what's ha you don't carebt i don't think theyre want i don't they don't care all you care about is what the we wants

when you have what people most of alls to not be shelled

if you dstand what they would love most of always to knowledge yoully i get to give up here and then maybe they'll stop getting the lan ski is leading to the o of so many ukrainians russian russian occupation roll of ukraine would lead to last deaths lensing out meat shields right now is that is that why people are getting arrested in red square for holding blank signs

honestly that is not as bad as sending people into a war that you can never know the key point here is that the ukrainian government knows as of now nato is not going to intervene in this conflict they have no chance against russia whatsoever

they may as well agree

they should agree to russia's terms

of

neutrality no nato weapons on their soil

and give up crimea and eastern ukraine and then it's over

that simple it's the best of two bad options at this point i mean you know everybody wants to say oh fight the death dude i mean

well if you choose to fight to the death over it you can't portray russia as this monster that's your choice actly just russia russia would dude

russia is not going to lose that much they're going to easily win the conflict ukraine knows they're going to lose this war and if you go into a war knowing ose you are you know you are complacent in the slaughter of millions of people who would have an doesn't clear it would have honestly been fine under you know under a russian i would be better offed than they are right now bians that are being deported inside into inside of russia

how they feel right now be better wor cranes that are dead by by being used as wy who's beingsored ski

they are taking ukrainians from the east and putting them deep into russia

wait you realize those were refugees who are leaving because their lives are threatened the real problem the real problem here is those that we've got liftiss or people representing the left on this panel right that don't actually give a fuck about

history and how we got to where we are today and then we feel like that they should have

i know here it takes like an ho explain to me explain me how the fuck we got here explain here because ukraine gave up their nukes and they probably wrong

that'

right off the beat it's wrong

fucking wrong you have to back n n no no no what i' want you be talk let's see t v talk a because here's here's the reality right we ended up here because

our

elected representatives felt like that keeping nato together after the fall of the soviet union was such a cash cow that they just keep pushing that fucking money and without any kind of regard you know it's fucking true right with we have talk i'm just going to give you some i want hold going to go into i'm going to go into a holding pattern i mean this guy s you do i can just

sewlan

so so after

right the fall of the soviet union our elected representatives kept pushing this cash cow and building up a standing army right and you don't even know the founders principles right standing armies are dangerous to liberty so as soon as you start building up this standing army in europe right as keep pushing back against russia you're continuing to escalate

the the military presence there and the force of it and then you want to tell russia ah well we want to bring you into the the fuck in the nation the league of nations or whatever the fuck of the international fucking table to

yeah but while the will same time you point a fucking gun at him if i wan american you point a gun at me ill tell you to fuck o pro we got a big buck a problem

nobody was brought to nato at gunpoint

everybody that was part of nato that's not what he said he said russia was being threatened at gunpoint

to join the so called civilized international community to invade russia nato was never ever yet thats that's like saying that's like saying you have a gun to someone's hed mind and to threaten and to check

russia that's why nato exists nato is the militaristic army of an evil liberal globalist empire they are and russia ising against that which is why russia they need to take away the independence rather the dependence that certain countries in europe have on russia eventually down the road they're probably going to want to and this is why you have people like lindseay graham saying this

like lindsay graham say you know we should kill putin or somebody needs to assassinate him like the reason they say this because they know that they are in some ways either through oil or through you know a vote on the security council dependent on russia and they're not comfortable with that because russia represents things that are not s youre in we are dependent on russian oil you think s is dependent on russian oil we certainly suffered without the international

oil market is dependent on russian oilinku how much how much russian oil is in the american market it's not what determines the price of oil and you know what percentage of russia i think it's like less than ten percent

yeah ok so and it's weird because the price of oil

the per barrel is now

less than what it was when we had less lesser prices

so obviously it's corporate greed using current a doubted

i'm their fucking pocket now i don't know w i regulated that fucking industry is don't to bother speaking about it for the rest of this panel enou

regultd in knowow

i'm going to bet to bet one hundred to one that c t v knows more about the regulation of the industry than you do out you've continuously lied you've continuously acted like you're more intelligent that you know more than you do i do not trust you on this issue i time

i don't think i've done that once

you just did it

you know i think i did that

all right

i think the other you do th like no are you are you like blind to i don't think i held up the ok sidn people are going to have to correct me but i don't think i've done this once

we know what that is you know what it is that it's an interesting conversation because you know everyone schits on like the o ever for recognizing it is like a hate symbol it's very scary so anyone who uses it must be like a hateful white supremacist right i this it sounds likealy scary about the ad like recognizing that

but but i think like all that all that recognition says is that like there are people who are using it in that way and i think that's true i think there are white supremacists who do use that as a signal to each other and i think that is a problem i think we should know that especially if you want to be

aware of like what kinds of wit msoror organizations are like you know i'm i'm really i'm personally i do'tin you fell for it you fell literally

yeah im that's right there's a whole jok you're right we using it irnically so it's not just even ok listen even if that's true even if that's true who gives a foxus why don't you just t focus on what people say instead of what hand gestures they use who gives a fo t using one thing to focus on i'm not saying it the end of the story or anything i'm going to come on

i'm going i want to tell you exactly where this came from right because the first time she saw it was at the military academies right

this is where this came from if you do it see that see that

we know wh wins the game

know when the's that's game so that's ot game you don't get it just take so there's a foot game and then like it just later oh look it's whit po doesn't fuck work thats way yeah and also what about about what about youg being liberal fucking bullshit that they keep trying to showjust didn't didn't the try to say the frog was a white supremacist symbol pep the frog and now it's all used by

everyone on twitter is absolutely used by them as well yeah yeah n you guys di you this is always ho know goes it's like your guys what if we what if we convince the mainstream media to do the ok signer that it was nazi symbol and then they made it a nazi symbol and the nazi said ohs let's do it well ok yeah the tot total ok this is not the oly

you think it is you can you you created the hate symbols that's what we're saying is n you you could say

like you have that drinking milk is racis and guess what we'll do it

what never because you're the diot's really go or some it's you know everything and we make it a reality you can pretty hard to retven because we are enthusiastic why are you putting words in my mouth why don't you just talk to me like an adult

doesn't like me

o kay no more baby talk

you fellt created your hate symbols you created them

true you did create i soon as you start as soon as your side started painting that narrative right that

this is a w and then this is a p right that's when all the other white supremacist went

hey you know what you're fucking right and then they started doing it

that's the problem the're wen you got askus to follow along with it

right and unless you're saying why spremases aren't dumb asses or anybody that falls their live via racial lines right and that's what you know you're saying that

they're not dumb asses

right

which you obviously are not i'm not necessarily saying that you got a f you narrative and some of them are there was nothing before that

thank you for that's so helpful i would like i would like to say that i don't personally know for sure whether or not it was a leftist who first recognized that oh this could be a w p or if it was a nazi

but

i don't think you do either and i don't think that you're asserting that it was the left who first initially use this as a because i if you look wing ma sources youre i think you're sure got you play media sources i don't know what to tell you brother you need to look at the history really being used if you sad any thre reporting on the use

ok ok ok so here's how it always happens

two people like on fortchan make like a graphic that looks legiti enough

and then the

oh i thought

i thought the cod are left

no oh what the who left ellen ellen opening

who what

may check the discore was going on i don't know

what who else left osta

anyway and we're talking about like we were talking about ukraine and i pulled it over to the but you guys brought up the whites yeah well i mean it's like one dude who makes a good graphic and they're like i wonder if the mainstream media will fall for this

and then they do and they're the ones like it goes from wonderful people talking about it to the mainstream media pushing it to thousands of people here and then once the mainstream media has pushed it

you've literally done like all the work for making it a popular thing so

pepe the frog

boom the media blew that into popularity and made it represent what it does that was the media's fault

w sure you know it was ironic ng in cheek used a something to see if the media would catch on to it

but once they did it became what it was the media is always the responsible party in creating symbols isn't not convenient for the people who are you like using these things in that way initially like like it's convenient they can always say not even it was it didn't actually mean that until the media said it meant that we w you know no actually mean until then right n know it did mean that it's just that the media makes it a symbol before it's just like

this thing that people are throwing around the media propels it into the public space it gives it you know i me idea people and i would rise have a i would say that it meant that to begin with i had never heard that in my whole life but what i did hear was when i joined the navy right in that whole fucking jok and you know you get fucking punch that's when i fuck and heard dead shit i never heard it used before that the first time but i did hear it used is when left

wwing media sources like m s n n b c yada yada yada start pushing and that narrative at the military academy were like is white racism inside of our military right and then boom this shit gets fucked pushed out it wasn't being used like that before if it had i probably would have saw it at some point maybe sons of anarchy

right or some other fucking major t v show except it wasn't a fucking thing until the media started putting it out that it was the military academies that was doing it and op it's white power this is what this is supposed to colloquially mean that's the point

yes so so i don't agree it like local it's like fortune' i don't mean i wonder i wonder when the media is going to start saying that the gorillas and sons is like a fascist symbol or some shit there's nobody a lot of people it's like

it's one dude who like take for instance the mill not one thing one guy on like for chan makes a post where he's like

a ha ha you know here's a racist interpretation of something that actually has no actual racist meaning for instance like the white power thing here's a way that we can interpret this thing that nobody uses with a racist connotation racistly

and sure i mean they're attaching kind of

that idea to it they're saying this is a way we can interpret this to be racist

but they're doing it as a joke and they're seeing if the media will bite

and the media does b you know what is the this and the joke is the wife thousands and thousands of people so that joke the interpretation of something that is totally innocuous as being white power igree now always rell pot thousands of people

i agree that the point is that it's innocuous but i believe that the point that that deliberate inocuacy comes from the right who's using it i think that's where it's initiated yeah you think if for ana are really all white nationalists

no i don't think fortuns all white nationalists i never fucking said that mostly for federal agents now right wellh that's like com that's like the whole point though to make a thread saying let's make this thing this even though it's not and it'll be funny because the media will take off with it

and that's like that's the whole point to joke

it' so if so if the way that you get the media to catch on to how you're using a symbol is to use the symbol in that way then i don't thoking care what your intention was you're still using the symbol to promote white supremacy like i don't give a fuck

it's all for the mean we're just trying to get the media to report on us doing this thing that we're doing like ot with the fig

y because that's what the media reports on dude

that well that's what the that's what they did in this case right it seems to be the case

do you have reports that are like showing like made up shit like very o

eastly like

like like the when this was coming up right dojust seem like you guys have so much

foundational knowledge about exactly how this was carried out and i do' know i was the annel and i see that a u what i cameu

yeah

yeah i saw the threads i wouldn't be talking out my house otherwise

but i'm not talking about more chan thread sorry i'm not that autist i'm not asking for fucking for tune threads yet so the reality here coder is that

the media fell for a bad ok nh no here is he they hold on they fell they fell for a bad fucking joke

right and then once they fell for that bad joke then after the fact they want to say oh but here's the thing it came from the you know the more white supremacist groups yada yad yada

but they just fell for the bad joke without any substantiation

of the claim and they just ran with it and this is locks step with what they've been doing to us as far as getting good information that's why fake news even became a fucking slogan

right it's because they do that shit a lot

well and here it is y way of what on this this specific thing being like fake news so so here it is on me here theres there's the screenshot literally from like the original thread on for chun says it's a picture of mel gibson then it's a picture of the ok hand sign somebody has drawn on the w in the p

and it says we must flood twitter and other social media websites w spam

claiming that the ok hand sign is a symbol of white supremacy make fake accounts with basic white girl names and types stuff like oh gee that's so true use as many amodies as you please it would be good for us to associate the ok sign of being a symbol of white supremacy because mel gibson used it use the hashtag hashtag power or hand privilege in all of your tweets and what notot related to this bonus points if your proophilpic is something related to supporting feminism leftists have dug their stuff so deep into lunacy

we must force them to dig more andtel the rest of society ain't going anywhere near that and that's always the intention it is to make left

look like the lunatics because they start raving about the stuff that's integri it's makecting agree yes yes and then i s yes and then like like verified people on twitter michael lee using it about richard spencer and

miloanopolis miloanopolis was a big subject of that

same thing used byethan miller at the white house and then at the ok hand sign during the cavanaught trial i don't know if you saw that

and oh hold on this is a new one to me

well coming back up because what you're telling me is that you're showing me this you're telling me about this thread

where they describe the thing they're going to do which i just kept saying that they went on to do and then the media reported on and you're telling me this is the threat that initiated them starting to do that thing and you're talking to this proves to be wrong howes yes because because your anyb unless i've unless i've totally misunderstood you your claim is that it was used intentionally that way by individuals first and then the media picks up on it

and then everybody knows they use it that way my argument is that they didn't even use it that way

they totally fabricated it nobody used this to mean white supremacy

ever since theys totally made it up

before you this guys it's getting late for me i got to go but i

i'll be on here more more often you this is fun yeah ok ss you to do it to gt you to debate or s yeah yeah we'll get something going surprise right have a good night guys i'll see you lateright and you have a good one

ah guys uh

this this went way longer than i thought there's a few things we weren't able to cover but that's ok because we'll cover them tomorrow

and yeah

hopefully tomorrow guys

you know longer stream today than yesterday and we're going to get back into our six hour groove ca

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g t r p i can't tonight but maybe tomorrow

yeah tomorrow tomorrow we'll do g t r r p tomorrow okay guys bye bye

see guys

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