UKRAINE-RUSSIA TRUTH (DEBUNKING DISINFO)/ DEBATING RICHARD SPENCER [2022-03-02]

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we're going to talk about the revival

of neo napzicism in germany

is that something we've gotta talk about

a lot of things are going on in germany

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you got didn't know leading up to the events of world war two germany was ruled by the nazis and the nazis whipped up the german people into a frenzyr

where they convince the germans that they are the master race and that russians are an inferior race to germans w understand we are civilized and western and we're better than the russians and the they were saying the russians are subhuman and so on and so on they starht the german high

man and the hitler right elite believed and when they attacked the soviet union they were going to roll through they said those russians are too stupid for us right that's what they were saying they didn't think the russians were civilized enough to pose up a fight and they really did believe it would be a cake walk thank you i said go and then they planed to enslave the russian people and the

is all documented in slave and starve and exterminate eventually the russian people and redistribute all of these slavic lands to german colonists and they were convinced that they are the master race that they're an invincible army and that the soviets don't stand a chance because they're not as civilized they're not as smart

and they're not as intelligent or advanced

i

so i'll tell you what happened

in actuality

the germans

roke

their neutrality pack

with russia

and they attacked

the soviet union

germany suffered

the most humiliating defeat

in the history of the whole german people

the most humiliating defeat and they probably one of the most

humiliating defeats

in the history of the world

four years later

russian red army soldiers the same ones that they said were subhuman and backward

we're in berlin

they captured berlin

the whole german army

the whole mill german military machine

it was thoroughly crushed

and destroyed

and ripped to shreds

by the soviet union and the soviet red army

hitler

was so

shocked by this

it upset his world views so much

and he took his own wlife

in a bunk

germany suffered the most humiliating defeat in the history of the german

nation

absolutely the most humiliating defeat ever the soviets absolutely crushed them

in every every conceivable way the germans were outclassed

by the soviets

the ones that they call subhuman

and the ones that they thought they were just going to roll over

theyre russian military strategisest

totally outclass the german it was a the most humiliating defeat

in the history of the german nation

the most humiliating defeat

so

what happened after

the german people

they came to their senses and they realized they were duped by hitler

so when eas germany they decided this path of master races and this western path

trying to enslave others is over

now

you want to live peacefully and coeist so these germans

became the best of friends with the russians

the west germans

ah continued

thevane project

of hitler

the former nazi officials were reappointed to their old posts but with new names

they reinvented the third right in the form of nato

and

the german elite still had ambitions on the soviet union

they said you know what we're not finished this isn't finished this war's not finished

we didn't we didn't get defeated it's just

one chapter of the larger war against those soviets and those russians

but the memory of that humiliation that humiliating and devastating defeat in world war two

as completely penetrated

the depths the unconscious depths of the german national consciousness where they repress it

they were pressing

they repress the memory of how thoroughly the russians

absolutely humiliated them

so what happen what does that have to do with what's going on now

ever since russia's special military operation in ukraine

one of the most rabid

anti russian vitriolic

foaming at the mouth bloodthirsty countries in the world

against russians

has been germany

why

because germany is not over that defeat

that was handed to them by the soviets

and they are reawakening their hitler rite consciousness from world war two

in order to

argued russia in a vitriolic

an anti human way

i kid you not

every single day i'm getting emails

from every platform that i'm on

that i am getting mass reported from germany

germans are mass reporting every single stream

every single tweet every single tweet i've tweeted

has been mass reported by germans

living in germany

all i have to tell you

is that

i didn't this has nothing to do with germany right

but german national pride has apparently been offended

because i'm pro russian

all i have to say is this it's very simple

i don't hate germans i don't hate germany i think germany is a great country with a great history

but i do think there is a problem of neoazism that is in germany

i think germany had a history in world war twi

of

a very dangerous history of unleashing

a level of

barbarism against the people of the world unprecedent in the history of the world and i don't think that just completely disappeared i don't

i don't think it completely disappeared i think it is still

a problem in germany

and i think

your what you see in the german response to what russia' is doing in ukraine is an example of that enduring legacy

of world war ii

and of the new the nazi phenomenon

you know german liberals pretend that they've atoned in that they're you know they're sorry and all this guilt i don't buy it i think structurally speaking germany still has a nazi problem

it still has a nazi problem

we should all be attentive to this they didn't get over that issue

they didn't get over that

down

but like i said

this is all because of world war two

it's all they're looking for a way to lash out against russia anyway

and this is the form they're taking

to lash out against russia

how do you think it can be fixed

i think it was fixed by east germany

i think the problem is that

many nazis

still were at the high levels of the west german government

that they control the german media

a and the deep state and the military there's a big nazi problem they just discovered a neo nazi

column within the german military and they exposed it

there were neo nazis in the german military they exposed recently

this level of russo phobia we are seeing from germany is unprecedented it's an unprecedented level of russo phobia

unprecedented

and they're targeting me now

racsts who happen to preside there are targeting me

and why why are german racs targeting me because i'm haz i'm a bearded muslim arab lebanese man

and i'm taking this position

and they for some reason they just

it reminds them of the humiliation inflicted on them

by the soviet red army during world war two when they see my stream

it just reminds them of that

i think

i think

there could also be

you know

forms of anti semitism involved in there too

you know

but in general

one among the most rabid responses and rabid hateful responses i've been getting on the internet has been from germany

they're very mad and upset about me

they are very very upset

very very upset about me

and all i'm trying to say is i think we should raise awareness

that neo nazism is still a big force in this world it didn't go away with world war two look at it ukraine

look at germany

right now

neo nazism is a very big problem in the world today

were seeing it in germany especially and by the way

the german conservatives and even nationalists are not nazis

that's what i noticed

those a of d people are not nazis

those people

they're just

traditional german conservatives right which precedes nazism by a belong nazism was not conservative by the way

it was a

funded by british liberals

actually

so real german patriots are not nazis

but there is this really deep seated neo nazism

this nato nazism very prevalent in germany

oh yeah the greens the greens are especially

culpable of this right

nadgy twin evil shit yeah well they're repressing it

they're not going to admit it

but it's an unconscious thing it's deeply rooted in the unconscious i think what we need is a freudian re examination

and some kind of mass therapeutic

practice to free

germans from this unconscious nazism

because i think it's still an enduring issue that that has not been resolved and it's dangerous for the world

it's dangerous for the world given germany's position

in nato it's dangerous for the whole world

it's not safe

i mean this is pretty telling

right

to me this is pretty telling

you look at this

you look at this map

a un general assembly resolution combating the glorification of nazism neon nazism

in temporary forms of racism and so on and so on

look right here

this is germany

the origin of nazism

if any country had a duty to vote in favour of this resolution it was germany

because nazism has its origins in germany

and they abstained

i wonder why

i wonder why they abstained

give me a moment

give me you month

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i'm concerned with preserving peace and stability in the world

and i think

that if germany is not willing to confront its past

and

settle the accounts with its own past

i don't know about any laonw i mean look at what's going on with nato right

look how just rapidly anti russian

sentiment you're getting

right

it's unbelievable

it's absolutely unbelievable

mean all of these countries

voted in favor

of course we're going to be against nazism and look at this it's just

it's extremely shameful isn't it

it's extremely shameful now isn't it

i want you to notice the context you are seeing such

fanatical anti russian sentiment

in germany

and then you have the context of a neo nazi

deep stayed in ukraine and the azov battalion

what does this mean for the future of germany what does that mean for the future of germany we should we should open this question

it's not particularly a good look is it

it is not a particularly good look

when germany is leading the charge and europe

of anti russian sentiment and russiophobia

in the context of russia engaging in an anti fascist

an anti nazi operation in ukraine

it's just not particularly a good look

it's not particularly good lucok if you ask me

i think it's a problem

i think it's a problem that needs to be confronted

i think it's a problem that should be discussed should be talked about

and i'm just raising this open question

i'm not trying to antagonize germany or germans of course not

i'm just trying to say this's a problem

um

because i don't think germany is just in the clear to start

fomenting anti russian sentiment and

defending ukrainian you nazis i don't think they are i don't think they are i think they should remember their past i think they should remember the last time germany decided to foment anti russian sentiment

and russophobia

and this kind of civilizational racism

and i think they should think about

ah you know what we do what we

what we what is it called

what we repressed we are we are doomed to repeat we are doomed to repeat what we do not repress what we repress right that's the fucky saying

wey i think that's what's going on in germany

right you're seeing a liberal left left wing not really left wing but liberal form of fascism in germany where yeah their pro environment and their pro sexual minorities and all that kind of stuff but that does not change the content of the nazism it just changes the form

right all does is change the form of nazism

ah not the content

the content being

a

the civilizational racism and militaristic

savagery

this is not being raised enough

and again every single day i'm getting reports

on twitter and so many germans are mass reporting me

for whatever reason

i'm getting mass reported mass reported

i am from germans

on all platforms you tube twitter everything

now here's my question

why do these people need a resort to the platforming

what have i hid

you can come on my v c and debate me

and expose me

it sounds like you're just trying to silence the truth

it sounds like what you're doing is trying to silence the truth

why do you need to censor me

why can't you actually confront

the veracity of what i'm saying on its own terms

why do you need a resort to censorship why does germany have to ban ar ti by the way why have to ban ar t are they scared of germans learning the truth

were they banning it for

if germans

right can see archi is probably got and what are they scared the scared germans are going to

except what artie is saying they're scared germans are going to see a perspective they're not being given

by the german media the german government

we need to ask this question

why are they banning art all over europe

spen in the whole eu

but it's these initiatives you have to keep in mind bizarrely enough

they're being led in germany

the initiatives are being led in germany

for whatever reason

for whatever reason germany's taken the charge

ah i don't think it's really appropriate for germany to be taken a charge

against russia

about just about anything

the usasar was very conciliatory toward east germany about war reparations too

did west germany pay any war reparations to the ususr

did they pay any

any war reparations to the soviet union from west germany

no

nine

none at all they still haven't

they have not atoned for their crimes against the soviet people and against the russian people in particular

it's interesting

the nazi military machine

was re weaponized and redeployed by nato

rembilized by nato

right

this is the truth

this is the truth you can continue to deny the truth you can try to silence the truth

but the truth will have its

way one way or another

i simply intend on getting credit for it

you understand

now

we have had a blitzkrieg of misinformation and propaganda

all today

starting in the morning in ukraine ukraine time

of russian

targeting of civilians and russian war crimes

so what we're going to do is we're going to investigate the veracity of these claims and allegations

but we're not going to do that

quite yet

because first

actually

what we're we going to do

is debate richard spencer

on this precise question

of the conflict

between russia and ukraine

now spencer

because he's a smart guy apparently

he knows that the ukrainian pro ukraine side is the nazi side

so richard spencer to my knowledge to the extent of my knowledge

he has a suit

the pro nato pro ukrainian position

and we're going to debate that

today

so without further ado

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so we are going to be debating

the russia ukraine stuff

finally so this is um we haven't really talked much about it on our show

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i'm richard spencer i'm an advocate of

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well we live in interesting times

that is for sure

the continent

is furiously rearming itself

a there has never been

perhaps even in my life certainly in the past thirty years there has never been such unity

in nato

there is actually a remarkable amount of unity in the united states

a with regard

to the invasion of ukraine by russia

we are entering a new realm and i think what

the best way to describe it is that we are re entering the twentieth century

the the so called unipolar moment

ah that was announced by charles krauheimer you can

think of it as the end of history or anything like that

is

giving way to what i think will be a bifurcated world will be a different type of bifurcated world

than the twentieth century but there will actually be a lot of similarities

i i do ultimately think this is a good thing in many ways and i can go through that

later

actually i'm going to do something that might be a little bit unusual in the sense that i am going to

grant

russia has real interest

in this conflict i think in the particularly in the american

mediusphere

there's a

tendency to moraliz

and to talk about poor little ukraine they're just being attacked for no reason

and every sovereign nation deserves to make its own decisions

well

i guess that's true in some way but it's

very naive

on the fact

is

from russia's standpoint

i and i do think this describes putin's

perspective on matters

there is no russian security without ukraine

so it's not just a matter of nato expansion

which is happened in fits and starts since the end of the cold war

a it is ukraine in particular obviously ukraine has

tremendous historical ties with russia

kiev and moscow are foundations of the empire

lots of linguistic ties genetic ties i mean they are very similar people

of course

but i think there is a geostrategic element to ukraine that makes it actually unique

russia feels

that it will be it can be encircled

and russia can in fact

fall

if there isn't

a a bastion in ukraine to stop this

most recently

the german army

in during the second world war marched across ukraine towards the caspian

the from the russian standpoint that is simply a no go

this cannot happen

so i do think that there is a

a kind of danger of

the nato expansion obviously russia doesn't like that

understandably

but the i think there is a unique geostrategic quality about ukraine

now i think russia and ukrain and the united states and nato are kind of in a bit of a

prisoner's dilemma i guess you could say

regarding this

in the sense that wash ingtn knows how

important ukrainist russia

russia has said explicitly how important it is

and it's a kind of like who goes firs should we expand

you know should we there are certainly people in washington who who want to see a a diminished russia

no doubt

a but russia has decided for whatever reason

to basically take it all

this is not about supporting don bas

this is not about a humanitarian intervention to prevent nazis or some nonsense like that

ah this is an attempt to take

the whole thing

and return us to the twentieth century

the good thing about this

is that this reinvigorates nato

this is the original purpose of nato it is an anti russian alliance

i think it's also going to inspire a lot of

self reflection on the west

the past thirty years culturally speaking have been horrifying

from my perspective

in america and the western world

this is going this new sense of danger

and even possible

possible world war andt even a possible

annihilation

is going to encourage the west to rethink itself

it's going to encourage it to rearm as it clearly

has been

in a remarkable speed

so

we'll be entering the twentieth century

and i ultimately think that is a very good thing

and this is reinvigorated european unification it's reinvigorated

nato

and i think it's going to reinvigorate an identity upon

people like myself who live in the west and identify with the west

there it is

thank you i'm pass

there is no evidence that russia's goal is to simply take all of ukraine or even we don't even know if they want to take any part of ukraine

ah actually i mean as far as the status

of the donbass republics we can assume they are probably going to have a referendum

and they're going to go the way of crimea

but

it's clear to me that

russia is attacking ukrainian cities in the west kharkiev and kiev

outside of the parameter of the donbass

a because they're getting to the root cause of the civil war in the east of ukraine and they're getting to the root cause of ukrainian aggression

against the people of the donbas

a russia does not want an anti russian government in ukraine in general they are looking past the specifics that

was the straw that broke the camel's back as to why they're doing this which is again

because of ukraine's attacks against the newly recognized donyetsk and lugan's republics

and they're going to the root cause of why is there a conflict like this in the first place they're challenging the

um

the legitimacy of the twenty fourteen maidan coup and russia's goals seem pretty clear to me they're not there to occupy ukraine

or

inex all of it now if you think

ah denatify in ukraine

and ensuring that ukraine is neutral and it's not going to have an anti russian orientation that this amounts to taking it then i guess you're right

but i don't think this has anything in common with the outright blanket territorial annexations

of the twentieth century

finally just as a quick remark on the second points i think here we can find a common agreement

i do think that the west is finding a new kind of

identity and i think you are probably one of the best figureheads

for the new identity that the liberal west is now adopting is it's unifying

h against russia right i think there is a a kind of fusion going on between

neo conservatism on the one hand and you know kind of a

so called left wing progressivism on the other hand of bernie sanders and a o c and i think from this fusion we are going to have the revival of national socialism in the west and it's going to have all the qualities of

germany's ad hoc kind of territorial designs and aggression against other states le benzrom and all this kind of stuff

so i do think you adequately represent that

um

the me yeah so it seems very clear to me that

there's a problem with this though the problem is that

russia does not just represent russia our russian interests and the western elites that are leading the charge for this new kind of consolidation don't simply represent the west

there's a more fundamental global division going on right now between the forces of global populism

the peoples of the world more or less and this kind of davos agenda of a

and anglo saxon globalism

so

even within the united states we are not germany we are not europe

here fifty percent of people are skeptical of the prevailing narrative about what's going on in ukraine

here we have an association of biden and his agenda with

and the enemy of the american people

here we have provided a base of operations with which things like the truckers movement in canada

a could reach success

so within the west there is going to be resistance against this new

i guess globalistic nazism if you want to call it that this global liberal george soros

a paradox of tolerance nazism as i like to call it

ah so i think it's not so clear cut

oy we can open up the floor okay

you're probably one of the very few people on the planet who thinks that this is not a full invasion

and i understand that the original propaganda

you know five or six days ago

was about a kind of humanitarian intervention to protect the people of donbos

additionally

i would never deny

that the civil war in the post md on

ukraine

hasn't given birth to a kind of humanitarian atrocity in that there actually is serious suffering

in dodmboss and that that should be

addressed

in some way

i would never deny that

however

in geopolitically speaking this is a much this is simply a ruse

and the idea

that you can cities can fall cities ark have was recently fell cities can be sieged

and then assaulted and then fall

a massive convoy can pass through a country

you

the notion that that is going that russia is just simply going to

go home

or something like that is absolutely

absurd

and even the russian recognition of the dom bas region

was itself an act of aggression

i mean again i am not denying

that there is suffering on behalf of russian

leaning

the ukrainians in the dobast region i'm not denying the

but you simply can't decide to leave a country

because you want to

a that just does not happen that when it happens it's exceedingly rare like czechoslovlakia

when you try to do it

you usually en up in a situation like we are in today or in the american civil war

there is no like

popular sovereignty where you can just decide to leave a country it just simply doesn't work like that

and to say that is just exceedingly naive

on secondly even if

we take your

rosy colored

you know depiction of

of putin's campaign

as he just wants a neutralized ukraine and that he's going to allow it to be there

again that is a way of hegemonkally dominating ukraine

you are not allowing ukraine

to choose its own destiny

by basically in fororcing russia's will upon it

now

again

i have actually granted that russia has real strategic interest here

you seem to want to repeat

just

utterly

baffling and

uncompelling

criman propaganda

this is some kind of effort at denoxification

it's just absurd

that i mean they i think what you're getting at with russia is this kind of

lack of legitimacy that russia has faced for some time

the soviet union was based around a notion of it eventual

maybe not to morrow

but workers revolution across the planet you seem to almost be suggesting something of the kind

even in the division of europe after yota

at the end of the second world war

stalin kind of more or less assume

that there was going to be a bolshevik revolution or communism in britain and

the westn capitalist powers return on each other and

fight to the death and he just kind of roll on en

by the sixties and seventies that clearly was not happening the world was bifurcated

and

the basically the legitimacy of the soviet state

began to be well we fought the germans we defeated naziism therefore

we kind of deserve this

and so this this

denotification

which is just simply absurd

i mean the azov battalion is a

you know part of the military and they are fighting but it is a very minor thing

but i don't think that's even what you mean

you seem to you seem to kind of be playing a semantic shell game where

a neo liberal capitalism is nazeism or something

neoliberal capitalism pure true globalism

has been absolutely in effect over the past thirty years we've lived through the end of history

i think that time is over

we are moving towards a period of civilizational states

there is going to be a notion of europe

with nato

as it's

a fighting force

the e u plus nato that's

not quite the original idea behind nato but that is what it's going to look like

there's going to be greater european integration

and so it kind of

you know gross realm or something which is a a term that you evoked that was evoked by

call schmidho was invoked by national socialists

a gross realm is exactly what russia is trying to create here

russia is shoring up

geostrategic interest

through creating a

zone

a great space

that allows it to

exist

i understand why they want that

the problem is that is going to be happening in europe as well

this is where we are headed is toward civilizational blocs

and you know

again you think the truckers are going to come to your rescue and create revolution

in canada or the united states the

i have nothing to say to that other than keep dreaming

the notion that russia's siege of kiev sor ukraine's major cities

is evidence that they want to annex the whole territory of ukraine evinces a stunning lack

of russian geopolitical interest in the region

russia doesn't want to annex ukraine it's going to create too muy problems they're going to have to have an occupying force they're going to have to face ukrainian resistance putin is well aware of the fact that no government can rule at the expense of the will

of a people it's just simply not realistic now russia has been very slow in this invasion and it's actually been very slow

in its attempt to capture these cities precisely because what they're trying to do

is give the current ukrainian government the ability

to negotiate a ceasefire and agree to russia's terms to stop right

so that's why russia has been you know somewhat slow the past week it's not the if russia wanted to simply just roll over and take all of ukraine they would have done it already the reason they're not doing that is they're trying to gvad them in order to offer them a chance to reach it precisely because they yes you precisely

they are trying to force the ukrainian government to agree to russia's terms of both neutrality disarm of sez aading a country man yeah that's that's that's other some the puk up don't interrupt me

that's not the same thing as an annexation you understand

so there's no dispute about the question of russia using military force in ukraine

the point is is it's not they don't have any design

at least there's no evidence of any design on part of the russian government to annex it now the fact that they're se seezing all of the major ukrainian cities isn't evidence of that there's no evidence russia just wants to go in and take over all of ukraineow if you're going to interpret taking over i never iagined annexation you did now ok soldier so what you mean so what you mean by taking over what you mean by taking over

is simply this bullshit about hedgeemonic influence let me introduce you to the reality of geo politics geopolitics but the problem is that you're trying to formalize it geopolitics is an informal reality yes historical civilizational realities geographic realities the realities of a necessary incessity of a balance of security none of those things are are really formalized and it's just an unspoken rule of international relations

of course we know that not every country

is formally ah sorry not every country is practically equal formally every country has the equal right to self determination but there's also underpinning realities behind that formal

right to self determination

that's just an unspoken i mean the u s is not going to tolerate a nuclear armed mexico on its dormstep the u s is not going to tolerate a canada that is hostile to it we all know that this is how

it works in the world and it also it's not necessarily because of imperialism either it's also because of the arrangement

of geopolitics and the necessity for a balance of security russia specifically has been encircled by nato russia specifically is encircled by powers that have a historical precedent of ah unjustifiably invading and encroaching on the sovereignty of others so russia's position has been purely defensive if you actually understand what russia wants in ukraine i don't want

they don't want to have tyranny over the people of ukraine or impose values or impose some kind of way of life nor do they want to exploit the resources of ukraine they want ukraine to basically not be used for purposes of aggression against themselves it's literally that simple now you said actually a lot of things so i want to quickly i'm going to quickly go one by one because you actually said a lot of things you said that a territory cannot simply leave a

well can it people simply overthrow a government or a segment of the people i should say like in the the twenty fourteen my don revolution that revolution changes its called it su but that changes the definition of ukraine's sovereignty if they can have a fucking coup then the people in the dawn bass can seccede and it's all all bets are off every revolution in history has led to rearrangements in a country's borders and change

the status quo as far as territories are concerned because the actual formal site of sovereignty

has collapsed and has jus changing right so that's a complete bullshit point now you talked about this stuff regarding this expectation

sorry what's not i mean i don't know what to tell you

there is a it's called a coup it's a regime so so did the coup have legal sanction but like you know what i'm saying is you do not have a right peacefully to hold a referendum and say we just don't want to be in this government anymore it's going to on what government where is that were is that a the government g legitimacy from

violence right violence grew so by that same device you're going to see some all government that would you sure sure you sure sure

but before then to maintain stability you have a legal precedent right to define laws when that's all thrown into the fuckan air then yes people are going to secede and they're going buy the same device actually that the previous government was overthrown it's happened in every revolution in history ukraine cannot complain that its sovereignty is encroached upon because these people want to declare their independence when ukraine illegally deposed without any legal sanctions

or precident whatsoever its former government i mean

what by what like how is it that ukraine can even expect or or have the

entitlement that country should even recognize its government right what government is that it was overthrown in a coup right

so that's that's united states was created in a coup i mean you seem to be suggesting that like

there is a real sovereign ukraine and then there's twoentyd and fourteen no there's no more no no it what i'm s i'm suggesting what i'm suggesting exact sus as any other s sure every state is founded by violence but its america legitimate government we're not getting into that no re circle question every state a b is america legitimate government yes or no

it's a legitimate state yes so

every state is founded by violence we know that ok

every state is found by violence but if you want to maintain long term stability and long term sovereignty of the specific definition of that sovereignty right which is your territory and your borders then a sudden and violent revolution is going to throw all of that into question and everything becomes up

right it's all fair game

you can't lay claim to the same level of sovereignty the government you just overthrew

did right because you have called you have callht you st through the british empire and lay claim to the entire continent so yes you can all s last time i chek we don't don't we don't have the whole con we don't have the whole fucking continent ok

what you're saying isn't what i'm trying to say specifically

is that you cannot have the expectation

right you can't have the sense of entitlement that people should respect the previous status quo

i'm not saying you can't try and maintain that previous status quo i'm saying you can't make pretense to some kind of international law about your sovereign territory when you do legitimacy of your government has yet to prove itself in any kind of way

ukraine was recognized by every country around the world

ukraine's government was ukraine's government was violently deposed

yes and it was recognized by every country in the world so therefore it is recorgn it was s that is as it violent i don't know why would the violent deposition was ight n you in your chat room might not like it but the rest of the world russ recognized so to recognize the new government under nw terms and conditions of taking crimea right

so it wasn't the same thing

it was absolutely not the same thing russia took crimea

they took crimea precisely because of this pretext just talking i mean was russia's annexation of crimea like

legitimate of course i mean it's like we're just of course what

why is that legitimate and it onent because who isn't

we're not talking about that we're saying if they're going to have one and you dislike the other so you're claiming one it's not abouters like youre disliking anything

it's about

ukraine cannot

appeal to international law and appeal to its own sovereignty about crime is actually ours russia committed an act of aggression all the separatists shouldn't be allowed to secede they're committing an act of aggression well everything's fair games it's that simp

it clearly has the entire the entire western world is backing ukraine

so you are the western world i how to u you may talk about the western worldk your rest the ws like the fraction of the global legitimate about the rest of world on

can you tell me why ikws about the western world you should gt a fuk the recognize all they're just the recognize youing more people in chine there's more people in china than the buck in western world combined why is the western world's opinion the only one that matters

so it's you have the most people and that gives you more legitimacy that's what you're arguing so i don't know because the western world has set the tone i would i would i would say that their inherent superiority would be maybe but that was disproved in world war two when the fascists got their ass handed to them

by the soviets so we can't say it's cause they're more superior as a race or anything so yeah it's going to have to be one man ah

every man counts so i think yeah population does matter

so because the soviet union killed a lot of people what it thinks is correct that is what you literally i'm trying to say we have to probably begin from a premise that

one person isn't superior to any other kind of person in this globe you can't say that ah

uh europeans are there that they matter more than china or they matter more than india why because uh

based on what why why should they matter more

they have historically mattered more in the sense that they created these institutions that we're even talking about now they might not matter more in the future and s shot ands are being overthrown those institutions are being overthrown as we speak

thats multopleins being overthrown as we speak en was not created by the defounding members of the u n you had the soviet union you had china it wasn't just europeans who created the un

it was created in san francisco i think it was kind of sort of a western inf institution was a founding member of the united nation throne is

strengthened beyond any measure over the past week

it's unbelievable the e u is strengthened

people want to join the e u people are det even doony are not's really trying to destroin nato some institutions yt you have you're not what you have reality you're just simply talking

right now they've been whipped up into an anti russian frenzy it's doesn't under lie the doesn't address the underlying contradictions within europe the problem of populism is contradictions within europe pop they call it populism

what he's talking about like right wing parties that hold just alternative anti establishment forces people who are dissatisfied with the davos agenda with the european union and with the anglo saxon ruling class that actually rules over them you mention one of your points that there's this new european identity that's being created the bucking isn't if theres a sovereign franco germanic bloc that is its own pole then

why would they have not acted in their own actual economic interests and agreed to north stream two pipeline deal they would fuck you to the americans and simply done that now they're being the dogs of the americans it's not there's no independent european identity these are american puppets you know what and i know it they're acting on behalf of america's interesting less american puppets than they were in one nine hundred forty five in on ne oundred forty five i would not disagree with you that they're effectively

the american pup theres never been a bar letter's never been a point ha of an interest

which might not be yours but that's the whole p interes like a sovereign sovereign interest in getting rid of's germany and france's sovereign interest in bucking over its own source getting its own source of energy and getting cheaper gas why would the buk that e if they're acting on behalf of their own sovereignty

it's moving in a different

wayan to tell me do you mean to tell me they're asserting their sovereignty by now turning to green energy and windmills and renewables or some shit like i hope i hope they go and get real power which they were advanced on

ok but that's not thirty percent of their energy is thanks to russia a green energy sure bigighty percent natural gas from russia percent they percent in a strong decision

ok what that decision comes at the expense of their own sovereign interests

no it doesn't yes it does made a sovereign decision to end it you're using words again you throw out words because like there's make a sovereign decision

they for everyone makes a famially sovereign decision but they did it on behalf of america's interests not their own they're selling out their own ind that's true but you're i maybe that's true or maybe that's true to a degree but you simply saying that all i am saying is that there is a bifurcated world that resembles the bifurcated world the bifurcated between who are the two parties to this bifurcation

there is a renewed west and with a nato fighting force

the way i see it is russia is going to turn to a kind of eurasianism

where all of that natural i mean this is again speculation

but that natural gas and resources and oil and research other resources hydrocarbons are going to be headed east

ok so you find yourself s as the little brother of china

ok and so i don't wish that upon the russian people to be honest i actually am

despite what you might think of me i actually am i have a lot of affection for russia and russia culture doesn't i want to unifiedor there that's not that's not material that's not not going to get people like it's not material to what we're trapped past it's not material to what we're talking about so you mention a word youre rasianism

do you think that there's may be a member of nato that exists right now that is part of the eurasian sphere

a member of nato that yes right now that's part of the erasians sere

i don't know what you're suggesting we it is nato the west is there country is there a country you're forgetting about is nato the west or

are you teying are i

i mean more or less why would you say hungry why would you say hungry before turkey

you remember turkey's in nato you remember that right oh turkey's in nato it's a good point yeah yeah so turkey's in nato and turkey has interests that neither align with the west fully nor do they align with russia or china fully iran has interests that

don't align with the west or and don't necessarily align with russia and china all the time i that's why it's not a new bifurcated world it's a multi polar world often there's interest that france and germany have that don't align with america so this idea of this yeh but the fundamentals mak the west is a my is going to be bifurcated the west is a my i actually agree i don't gree you actually a good point

s a turkish question yet that we're going tos the problem here's the problem

would you say the west you're not actually talking about europe as a whole you're just talking about the rule of the former british empire which is based on the anglo saxon elites of the united states and you know the cia the state department of the davos agenda the global institutions all that kind of stuff

the financial global financial institutions which is the most important part of that all of that has its center it's not simply the west

it's the anglosphere oka

so

when you're talking when we're the only thing that unites the west as a whole is the leash the american empire has

on its western allies through nato when this leash is gone

there's a new western question about ok well what does the west really mean who is the hedgem on of europe is it going to be frankin germania as you were going to be forty five

i don't agree with you in two thousand and twenty prose france is a nuclear let me finish it quick

france is a nuclear power france has a

man

an ego maniac deapoleon complex individual in charge of its country at the moment

that wants to have its day in the sun

germany is now radically rearmed i think the

the military budget is three to five percent of g d p we have not seen this since the second world war

this is actually going to be different and europe ist it was in rubble particular germany germany was divided in oneine hundred five

there is going to be a very

quality to the to this neo cold war that i'm describing you you is also going to be a new element that wasn't there at least at the end

that you are witness sing the it's going to be differt so what you're saying is that it's going to be bifurcated

the geostrategic environment

it's not because what you're actually witnessing right now is the implosion

of the american empire and all the barking

that the european countries and leaders are doing in their media is making is because of the seething and writhing of the death of the empire that they used to be a part of you you see this some kind of new rebirth of the american empire or the so called west which youre actually witnessing

is its demise in real time

you're witnessing a unity you're witnessing suggest because you're the only kind of unity you're witnessing is the unity of copium they're using the same copium

the raw material to cope with the common empire that's dying that they used to have

so as far as what's going to replace this is concerned

there's no it's not clear whatsoever it's not clear what future do you think russia is rising

absolutely

oka

look i think there are very strong you know whatk does does does russia have a trade or does russia have a trade surplus or a trade deficit

like the u s does it has a trade surplus of course a resource so it is rising

well if you look at russian society i mean this is a

ollgarchic petrostate i mean i don't

es not going you mean by ollgark oligarchic is a political term who does putin share power with

oh you think putin doesn't share power with these oligarchs were absolutely not the lacial room with absolutely not they have no sovereignty whatsoever

ok so it's just a one man government no it's a popular front government with other parties in it but yeah it's a popular government

okay well i mean where do you think putin gets the support from you think putin gets the support from the oligarchs or from the pensioners

nostalgic about the soviet whight in the countryside and there

i think putin does have a lot of population doesn't have a all these why is it why is he sitting in a room with billionaires

because they own

some of the biggest industries in russia

the biggest companies in that

gives you power

it doesn'te the us the man i think this so is china is china is china in the u s an oligarchy to them

it's it is an oligarchy i think it's it functions in a bit of a different way i mean

i it's not such an intense

wealth and equality

to be honest in the united states as it is in russia

but yeah there's an oligarchic quality of the united states no doubt

okay

oligarchy's a political term

oka

the power that russian yeah i mean ok

that's fine i mean all ofgarky is greek term literally ruled by a few but which is a tical i think i'm using it in a more kind of

modern way of like just easre just referring to the fact not literally're referring to the fact as immense powerys the watch russia has billionaires russia has billionaires and it also has a lot of wealth andequality that's that's what you're referring to

yes it has more intense wealth inequality than the united states so i think china does as well what your point

well i get your point what is so hot about russia i mean like this is a rising new society for social because russia russias socity because russias what are you claiming about it

there's two facets to it so if you want to talk about i don't see what how does having wealth inequality correlate to not being a rising power

doesn't make any sense

i don't think russia the russian way of life

is going to be particularly attractive

to most of the world

unlike wit wait wait why why is the russian in intense fascination for intellectuals but i don't think anywere russias not russia's not returning to the soviet union where it was going to export its ideology to the people of the world russia way of life is for russians who else

ok well fine but

it do doesn't mean it's not rising

does that mean it's not rising that's mo that's the meaning of multipolarity china is rising russia is rising iran in a way of rising turkey is rising

there's these different polls around the world

with their own way of life and their rising now does that mean they're going to export their way of life to other countries no doesn't mean they're not rising though

i of course agree that like the power

distribution is going to change over time

and i have said in my opening statement that

the kind of true globalism of uni polarity is ending

what i am arguing

is maybe not dissimilar from what you just said which is that we're moving towards a world of civilizational states

now i think the big bifurcate and there are course are different powers and the in the in the post war era we had

you know in neutral yugoslavia we have the south america what what they middle east is a rising power with with resource wealth i mean there's always been a degree of

uniple of multipolarity rather

what i am arguing is that we are moving largely towards civilizational states

we're going to see intense unification on the western and central europe on that your equivalce the equivalence to a european polarity is franco germania it's france and germany

ok

the unity of france and germany

right the problem is that the americans have done everything they could to undermine that specific bloc as an independent polarity

and nords america blocking nordstream too in this whole shit that's going on in ukraine which is actually all because of that by the way

that was specifically about undermining any independent european polarity and now the the germans and the french and the other europeans had been whipped into a frenzy

they're getting back in line as the lackeys of nato and american ap i mean nato as an institution is just american youun know polarity it doesn't

have any room for an independent unit american europeanated is american uni polarity it was created as an anti russian military alliance in onee thd ninet was not created as an extension of american uni polarity to enforce the not not ing itx youuni polarity comes after the end of the soviet union

there is there's obviously by has a american unipolar system has its origins in the post war bretain wood system now there was a communist bloc and there was a soviet bloc

but as far as the roots of the american system are concerned that's nato that's breton woods

it's the i m f i just want togree with that ok but that's not you know unipolarity has a specific definition

it is a it was court coined by charles proudhummer after the fall of the soviet union and it was it's more or less the same thing as

fuki yama's end of history it is basically there is no i know writing system i know what polarity is because when i say the word youun know polarity that's what i'm referring to ok so you wasn't you know a kind of extension of america

in the one nine hundred forty s absolutely ok but it's all i want to dokings change

ok and it's not how can how can to change position that it was in oneusd nine hundred forty five germany is really are your teeth you're right but its remarkable y you're right but guess what nato is i sorry turkey's in nato

nato as an institution

has no further reason for existing its last

bread that its taking

ah against russia's actions in ukraine

europe is internally divided between west and east because the intermarium

h the forces that want to recreate the intermar on poland and hungary and the three seas alliance there even they're positioned against the franco germanic bloc so within europe

you have these very strong de his positions strongly against russia right now what i am saying is that this invasion has revived something that i agree was almost had an identity crisis that is nato how do we use this thing is it a force for humanitarian interventions

should russia be a part of nato that was actually floated the end of the cold war is it still against russia what do we do with this thing

now it's actually beat due to this it's it's the putss reaction against in the west it has been revived that's precisely what it is it's cirkable it's you have to look at reality it's notjust say stuff like it intermrriam which is some like thing bloggers talk about the the inmrly the intermrriam is something bloggers have been talking about when it's been poland's

before the word intermarriam okarius like

petty nationalist for years

it the clear by the seismic

bifurcation of europe is going to be

where it was more or less what you are witnessing now in europe's new found sense of unity rallying around ukraine is nothing more than the putrescence of the american empire

with its last dying gra well you would say that when they were you said that like a you would say that a month ago yes when nato was having an identity crisis now things have changed data has changed the situation has changed emotions have changed and you're saying the same thing

the emotions you're witnessing the emotions you're witnessing you'ren kind of propag these these strong emotions that you're witnessing is a psychosis on a mass scale to cope with the end of this empire

well ok but it's a mass i gogree with you which i don't

that in itself

is like you're admitting to the fact that nato has a raise on detra and even if it's a psychosis

and it is there is much more unification

there are countries like sweden

se's b

sweet did it end

estonia that now in finland that now want to join up and they wouldn't have yet merely there's a new impetus for american and that's what it is american aggression against russia

but that doesn't actually say anything about like an authentic polarity

a authentic civilizational renewal it has nothing to do with that ok

well that's your opinion

i mean i thin you're just saying that though and you're not like because because because arguing because because an authentic let's say polarity or civilizational renewal or tick what is civilizational block

ah where they revive

would not principally be based upon

weaponizing the old

a the last leg of the old arrangement which was positioned against russia

it wouldn't be simply based off of huffing thiscopium about how oh russia's the bad guy and we all need to unite against russia we the material basis for the anti russian sentiment is a prior state of affairs which was the twentieth century the post war period the soviet union and so on and so on so the unwillingness to let that go

right attest to the fact

that they're not allowing themselves to have the breathing room to discover their own identity and so on and so on they're still clinging

to an arrangement that's led by the u s your assertion

with not an argument and the idea that history doesn't matter

is absurd

obviously russia vlatimir putin in his explicit statements

has said that ukraine they are our brothers maybe there are prodigal sons

we have ties

between us that that this is the foundation of the russian empire v and moscow

so the you're just claiming history they're holding on to the past and they're not doing what i want you didn't listend you don't noo you didn't listen to what i said yeah so we can agree

that europe as an independent polarity

didn't exist after world war two right it's just led by the americans right

that has been the status quo

that has been the status quo up until recently

where the material foundations for an independent european polarity

specifically because of the revival of german industry and the revival of the french market and so on and so on has created the foundation for an independent polarity in europe right

i understand what you're saying yeah you are claiming that

because they are getting natural resources from germany was getting natural resources from russia

that that was a kind of foundation for greater german independence is that you're arguing precisely

ok i get that

and i understand that and in fact in my heart of hearts

i don't want

a

like division between east and west i want greater unity so ok butre you will be that you're what is not going to happen he's my point thh the

the unity that you witnessing yeah yeh cold war the unity let me just be very clear about this the unity that you are witnessing is not based in people awakening

to this new found independent polarity it's a unity

that is based on asserting the identity of an arrangement that no longer has a real authentic

material or civilizational foundation

which is american con sorol of europe because they want it like you don't like it but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist and ok you don't knowf i hope why is it in goal was opposed to nuclear power i hope germans wake up and get nuclear power because that is a much shtterk you know let's cut the bll sh happen america is what it is

let's cut the bullshit let's cut the bullshit the and i'll ask you very frankly

what could possibly be in europe's own sovereign interest as a polarity

two

renew its hostilities with russia over this specific question of ukraine why is it in europe's interest go ahead

you they don't want to be invaded they might be very well be wrong about that

i personally do not think

that putin's ambitions extend beyond ukraine

oh thisks memember on so what you're saying we wait ok ok so you're trying to sell mere sure it doesn't roll into germany that that is so i see i see we arem against it i see a lot of you're trying to sell me here yeah yeah yeah leads them to that conclusion so you're trying to sell to me right now

is that very genuinely

europe's reaction to to what russia' is doing in ukraine

is because they fear they're going to be invaded by by putin and by russia

yeah i wonder why germans might fear an invasion by russians i wonder where they got that crazy when they go question how absurd you are

you people don't agree with you wait and then you say they didn't make a sovereign decision it agree it's like is so the level youpen you're getting just you're getting your pennies in a bunch about this whole agreement thing we got it lotcud your argument is that i'm saying it's because they don't agree that yout to keep repeating that it's just a pointless well things a saying it soause it's so ovi because i'm not right because my

my reasoning is not based on al what i rea with you oz i mean i just i don't know what to tell you and you should probably brace yourrightdentity as a marginal figure who promotes marxist leninism as opposed to claiming that anyone who disagrees with you isn't sovereign richard just richard richard richard

i did not expect to come have a debate with you for richard fucking spencer to tell me that i'm the one who should awaken to the fact that i'm a marginal figure oky so let's s simmer down and sit down for a little bit

ok

now le was the leader of the new europe according to you

i am ledslie redsking in reality

i am not claiming that your germany isn't sovereign we need to get backy we disagree youre wh you your fs a political ptopping you claim the're not ropping around i'm not abs're trying so you're saying that europe's reaction right now

is because they fear russia's going to invade europe and that this they have historical precedent for this because

the soviet union took berlin after operation barbarb what are you fucking trying to say what is your point

yes there is real historical reasons why france and germany as the two most important countries and the e u would fear invasion by foreign powers

what what what you meanj russiaes russia's when right you know when russia took berlin

you know that that was after they

do you know what happened right it

are you trying to say the soviet union just randomly decided to push eastward and

and take berlin i mean well the soviet union

reached f pact with germany germany invaded the soviet union operation barbarosa and then stalin pushed not only pushed the german army out of his sphear

his gross round if you will but in fact it in fact move forward

and in one nine hundred five clearly anticipated why why soon become communists

hold on

we're going to put that on

we don't have time to debate about that but

that means that the soviet union was in a defensive position to ensure they're not going to be invaded again because lo and behold they get randomly fucking invaded by western aggressors now based on that history specifically that you brought up joseph is a shretch violent rius wanted to play defense i mean this is just stalinot the truth is there's no precedent for adventurism on part of stalin he was against adventurism and the

and this trotsky is delusion of exporting the revolution second of all i not more or less so notion that he didn't roll across europe

wowsly no one will agree with that across europe to literally rod across europe to ensure the soviet union does not get invaded again

now based on that history that was one of the motivations it was also about world communism

comrades then why didn't they take the west they could have easily taken the west why didn't they

they didn't exactly take the west because the the british empire that was flailing still at some pop the united states entered late it still hat some powers gotf anyone here they got there before anyone

they could have taken whatever they wanted

they could have they made a strategic decision not to but ok stalin clearly assumed that capitalist powers would turn on one another

and that you would soon have at least a european stalin believed it likes you're getting into the ideological bullshit let's just get back to the mean potatoes there's historic there's like diaries and interviews that indicate such things i'm not getting into ideological bullshit

are so let's let's get back germany up until one thousand nineteenre eighty nine ninety one

yes

like you're just it was no more an occupation of germany than the western then america occupied germany in the west so it was formally not an occupation it's just that germany fell under the germany a yeah but people liked western germany a lot more let's just put it that way

that's not necessarily true actually it's not necessarily true whatsoever

did anyone sneak into east germany

there was a brain drain from the east to the west that doesn't mean everyone liked west germany more than the east though it's not true

that that's fair enough but like

you know and i agree with you that there is a kind of like a decadent temptation to a lot of the americanized west

ight

at the end of the day

like where would you want to raise a family the est in or like the russa where you would you want to raise a family i mean if you're a bachelor who's having fun probably you want to live in the west but the eat for raising a family of course you'd want to you wt want to be in the more whis which m at higher birth rates

i'm not aware

ok

was at the west i'm assuring you ing you would bet your point out was the west

and ok east has serious problems now even east germany kind of resembles

eastern europe i mean it

it even today

to some degree it a serious problems that that are

you know kind of fairly tragic to be honest

it could be solved

like you clearly have soviet nostalgia

which is fine but like ok it was much it was much better to raise it was much better to raise a family in the the east

much better

it's much better to raise a family in a ukrainian farmer

it's solidism maybe that's not the case during one you want you want to bring up the famine of thirty three and thirty four in debate about that because you can't actually talk about the

why the fuck europe would be against russia right now if not because of a mass psychosis and it has nothing to do with europe's own interests mass i new expited so much

you said it's because they fear being invaded by russia there's no there's no precedent for russia invading europe

theres president for the west invading russia though plenty of times

well yeah but

like there's yes napoleon hitler etc but there's like

the perspective of a european

at the end of the second world war was you have the soviet tanks rolling in taking over our countries well that that's that's like that's that what that's what happens when you invade a country the country is going to push back to siz unish

ing soviet threater do that the military does deserve to be disarmed and the threat should be neutralized the criminals who attacked you should be brought to justice and the government that attacked you should be overthrown yeah that's how it works

that's the way of war

it was a total war a complete total war of annihilation

and the soviets

we're very i

they showed a lot of mercy to germany i basically agree but like what is like

please refrain from the moralization

like the idea germans

the germans have no they have no reason to expect it

on should it undertand the gole because it is hell on earth

there's what's on earth

i think the soviet union i perhaps later on i think it was actually pretty reasonable and there's even when i was living in berlin for a little while and even in bavaria is a kind of aus kind of

hipster

you know fantasy of the soviet days

but like let's just be brutally honest here communism

six

i i disagree just

awful

even if even one even if i were to agree with you which completely irrelevant it's not true but it's completely irrelevant what does that have to do with the new found european unity against russia

not being based on any rational interest of visous atorical memory is was of communism russia's techniq russia doesn't live under the same system that it used to

i know but they're easily aligned

and and you know why you're especially roll and car rush you know you know kind of

you know why you're especially wrong was communist you know why you're especially wrong about this

because all of this anti russian sentiment

if it was just based on being traumatized by communism you wouldn't see such high raates of nostalgia on part of the older generations in eastern europe

for the ca it says nothing to do even polish nationalists

it have inherited the legacy of the polish communist system what you have are competing forms of nationalism in eastern europe

that have specifically defined themselves against russia and's not because communism was so bad it's because they needed to fill the vacuum left behind by the communist ideology

after the fall of the sporsap act in the soviet bloc so it's not because they're fair enough i might actually agree with a lot of what you just said

okay

so

there is no rational reason for europeans

to fear a russian invasion or to oppose russia's actions in ukraine

it seems like good that politics has nothing to do with rationality

you we ok

can you admit to me that it's based on moralism

it

no i'm not no that more ok so what expression have any germans or french formulated any in a significant capacity the ukrainian flag is the new george floyd it's the new were your mask it's the new get vaccinated that's what it is

it's not based on any kind of like raw self interest on part of germans or i real that is the case on social media and there's a lot of you know it's the case in general that resembles b l m i agree with that yeah but it real ok if you want to just action you want you want to you you want to look at you want tos changed over the it's what i mean which way you look at it culture

ly and sociologically this is astro turfed morelistic campaign

that people use to to identify themselves in virtue signal their compliance

with the status quo in the institutions that gruws on read it on on twitch on you tube wherever you go on twitter people are doing this disagree that there's an element of that

however to claim thating is fully asra turf is just wrong you cannot just invent you you cw which you half of the world to butut a ukrainian flag on their their face because because is there is something real in and in arms of like we're just reestablishing the world order what i am arguing is that the world has changed in the past weh

which with i change i ate i fundamentally disagree i don't want for i i fundamentally disagree you paradigm i fundamentally disagree that this is based

in something real

no one actually gives a shit about ukraine it's just it's a way of expressing one's virtue signaling

third the agenda of the prevailing institutions

which is being rewarded through social feedback certain ext yt it ha is nothing it is nobody independently looks at this situation and just independently comes it comes to some kind of solid position on it going agency according to you everyone's just a robot or an m p c

i think i think ik i think rights a see you i do to a certain extent you said that putting a ukrainian flag is a kind of

virtue signal i will agree with that

but like to claim that no one has agency or that there are real historical and geopolitical factors at play here

' is just ridiculous people i think i think i think there is a reality of this type of which is lead whose has its center by the way in the anglo saxon

elites

which is this kind of condescending sense of superiority over russians a kind of civilizational racism

ah europeans have over against russians and against chinese and so on and so on but the core of this identity that makes it possible isn't based in anything real within their own lives

it is based in institutions that distinguish them and which interpolate them

a as subjects and's to use less s you're describing systemic racism or something no no ok there is a european identity no are smaller forms of european identity but but but the problem the problem is the problem isbout entity but there is a russian identity russian identity is based in russiannes thiss we are russians it's our history

is who we are same with chinese same with anywhere else in the world but this so called european identity that you're talking about is not based in any type of particular european civilization all you're doing dehumanizing my people this i don't have an authentic identity but you do you know maybe maybe there is an authentic european identity but i'm trying to say the one that is

is being displayed now in this pledge of allegiance to the ukrainian astroturfan campaign is not based on that it's based in a type of fake universalism a false universalism and a type of

proving of one's reflexivity which is what all these astro safed campaigns are about you say black lives matter you say you take the vaccine wear the mask because you're expressing that you're conscientious or you're civilized or you're somehow in the knowoen and you're a universal subject you're right the problem is that europeans are not universal subjects they're europeans so if they started acting like europeans and not pretending that there's

the universal subject of american globalism they wouldn't be against russia and condemning russia right now

they would just be looking after their own interests the interests of germany the interests of france the interest of ireland whatever you want they want to be acting on behalf of some kind of global universal interest

if you can create greater division in europe that is better for russia

russia i'm sure was enthused by things like bregit russia's entused by petty nationalist spets

the fact is part of european identity

i agree is a kind of expansive

universal if you want to say arianism

it's not but it's not you we are spencer spencer youre the reason you're right universal the reason you're a tragical figure istory doesn't exist or spencer the reason you're a tragical figure is because you're an embarrassment

you're kind of right it is based on the type of racist neonazism whatever but for the leaders of the western world to come out and admit this means the end of the western world' basis of

soft power in the entire globe so youre an embarrassment for them you a the dirty laundry the dirty truth they will never admit and it's a it's a precondition for europe to not admit this in order to maintain its so called unified identity

so the problem w what you're trying to say is that oh we have this kind of universal aanism again what they're pretending to be is universal subjects in the abstract they're not ayans they're not europeans they're not

whatever they're not any type of particular person is just universal humanity they say the international community when in reality it's just europe america in australia they do't that is all of that is the last thirty years i think things are dramatically when i talk about civilizational racism i'm not talking about systemic racism i'm talking about how the fact for example one does not become human a universeal

human subject according to these liberal nazis

unless one is a editor right if you live in china or you live in russia or whatever you are backward asiatic and so on you don't have enough reflexivity you're not conscientious enough but when you're on redit and you're a editor who's you know you like pokymon and you like all that dumb bullshit that they like

right you play video games all of a sudden you become humanized because why you're being interprelated by institutions and you're in the know in the way that they are right

so this is what i mean by the civil is i'm not talking about uh some woke bullshit i'm talking about a specific type of uh

the historical false universalism that europe has projected i don't disagree with what you're saying i think you're making some interesting points

about the the that quest to kind of be in the know and to be a

kind of cosmopolitan digital citizen or something i

i think there's what you're describing is a very real phenomenon

what i am saying

in contradistinction to that

is that as we kind of re enter a new twentieth century the threat of a world war the threat of nuclear conflict

is in the air

that this is going to bring us back

to a harder grounded more militarized identity

and literally speaking in the sense that

france and germany are wrap this identity has no substance there's no substance of this identity says you i mean i don't know ok what tell me what tell me what ok tell me what its assertion then i'll ask you says me ok ask you what is the substance of this new globalistic read it identity

well i'm saying that i agree with that that i might not call it a red it identity but

i understand what you're describing

and i think that there's a lot of truth to that but so what's f saying

what i'm saying is that something else is emerging

we were entering that downward spiral the nihlism the last so what is the something else i what of american of the end of history of the of america what is the something else that's emerging that's not the read it liberal globalism

i mean reditters don't

like rearm

germany i mean what you're talking about so you're talking about arsal quality is going to be a key so you know you don't siny of my own

personal desires w you're talking about simply you're talking about read it with weapons renuclear armed right not

yeah i guess you're talking about i guess what you're saying

i get it and i'm granting you that

what i what i because you're describing a real phenomenon which is good

all i'm saying is that there actually is something else

and that the current world order is more something else what is its what i'm doing

what is its wealth what is its soul what is its a

substance what is it except this

cosmopolitan digital identity or whatever what is it

i think it's a there is a what it's lgals i should say what is it's lgals it's a better word to say what is it's like h

what's its logos

i understand

there is a kind of high mot quest there's a sense of homeness and belonging that i think is

desired by every human being

and that exists certainly within western and if you want to have homeless senderfer if you want toor if you want if you want tor there is a hold on i'm answering well finish finish there is a broader quest

towards truth

towards expansion towards new vistas

that is also this this is snow is all salad no meat and potatoes thisesn and that's a fair that's a fair criticism actually has

you're asking me to describe like european consciousness and so i'm going to i'm asking you like give me an examle russian give me russian i can tell you russianes give me an example for example give me an example empire give me exore example of the combination of apollonian

and martial qualities within western and central europeanf i accept find even even if i acceptll thisre if i says even greco roman religious very h example givenvery fairy wish you washi even if i accept i just give you literal example you talk about m and i'm talking about right now we have rom we have read itight now options what's russia

sure russian this is were can we even begin russian ist is based on civilization sorry

rush hard you see how it's hard no it's not it's not hard it's actually not it's a race it's not particularly hard russia's based on a type of determinanate universalim a kind of a

a society that's main theme is based on end times apocalypse and sort of forestalling the end times and so on but specifically if you want to like get to the meat of potatoes ms ok from what i'm asking you equivent from my asking to you is russia has that was somewhat airy fairy language and i don't find apocalypse i n didn't know i didn't know you're asking for if you're asking for ine

can answer i can su use of avery ferry on it's hard to describe i thought you i thought you were asking i thought you were asking for an airy ferry equivalent to what you said but if you want to know you appreciate it what i said but all i're saying is it's a it's you have to write a book on this no i don't i think i can give you a simplification

a russians

new kind of consciousness or new kind of substance or lobos is specifically based in the russian sovereignty which is because of the nationalization of the oil sector which has created new russian platforms new russian social media and new type of russian identity which on the one hand

has the kind of qualities of a universal citizen but on the other hand has an acute sense of determinate and situation situatedness within the specific russian identity so they don't moralize against others

and impose their way on others but on the other hand they have the same level of kind of ah

and i guess the dynamism that the reditors have right

so same technological sabbiness and sophistication but sense of fundamental groundedness in the particular russian civilization i'm not specifically asking you

what defines you get that i think that's a good description yes

so i so my question for you my question for you is that when it comes to this new european identity that you're saying is being defined

by anti russian sentiment and pro ukraine sentiment what is that based on

what is that based on

i have answered i have given you a

art c for version and i am saying what is it based on a mi ort

the ext read a state that contains the the it is the state is rome that is the ultimate political structure right is you that's your that's your interpretation but i'm asking you where can we locate any type of consciousness of this fact in the in the european society we see the manifestation we see is read it you have to admit that it's read it globalist liberal i'm not going to

admit that that's the end all be all of european sure you can see you can try to coop and say that the read it to globalist liberalism is actually this resurrection of roman marsial spirit or so i'm not saying that i'm notre is the mo roman marsial spirit where is it then because what we have now is read emerging it's emerging and it is being kind of catalyzed or sparked

by some of the things that we're seeing emerging is emerging

there is a european union by the way

which does it can only be but i mean i agree it's

you know starts and fits and starts but

or it's emerging and fits and starts but it has to be based

on some sense of commonality between western is so i'll tell you the commonality the com to look at thats and commonality of the so called the germanic and romantic you're not seeing that we're i'm not against that but we're not seeing that the'm not against latin frankly thk want to see see you just want to see something that you want to see as opposed to opening your eyes i'm seeing what is a i'll tell you what

we actually have so called european values are not

european in particular

they are universal they pretended universal values of human rights and liberty they're all negative abstraction what is liberty what is freedom what does this even fucking mean it doesn't mean anything determinate or particular

it's based on as i mean empty liberal abstraction so where do we find particular your preach

ok but i agree with everything i just sad but the ukraine sentiment

and the anti russian sentiment

it's not based on any type of part european particularity it's based on this american globalism

i agree i will grant you that i've already granted you this that a lot of what you say is true

what i am engaging in

is a kind of a situational concept

that due to the historical realities of russia and western and central europe

due to

a new kind of emotional mood

that sweeping the continent

due to a kind of recognition of decline so you think you think this move there is a chance a strong chance

for something that is much more spiritual and much more in line with what i want to confront youen gaging with linking let you enough let me confront you with what i am aay then allow me to confront you with a paradox

okay

so

would you say that this is an unconscious phenomenon primarily that this awakening

ah yeah i could agree with ok since it's primarily unconscious because on the surface level

this is about universalism and globalism and rhetic and so on liberalism that's what we see on the surface but you're saying that's just on the surface and unconsciously

this is the awakening of the real european identity right

the diamma is this

the soft power of europe the power of europe the ability for europe to have any type of influence or power

in the international community

when it comes to this event

precisely lies in this

surface level globalism if europe were to say

this is just us europe versus the east

the east will focking eat europe alive

they have to pretend to be universal to maintain their imperial power if they don't be universal anymore

you how can you how can you enforce your will over africa and asia and latin america

when you are just acting on behalf of your own interests then it's total war right and i don't think europe's going to fare very well in a situation of complete total war versus

what six or seven seven other billion people on earth it's not going to work so they have to pretend to be universal to maintain

the type of can work for a while i mean a few dozen people in london were

administering india to be honest

secondly in terms of the advancement towards the east i mean germany was caught in bismarck's nightmare pencer movement

of the capitalists and communist forces united against it

i mean again i'm not endorsing russia china iran and we're going to have like a world war three where the allies are going to be like the six billion other and this is a fantasy scenario by the way but turkey iran russia china

even india pakistan they're all going to unite against an aggressive new found i don't worry about india or pakistan but i certainly worry about china

yes i want to avoid like

one aspect of a cold worl war and bifurcation is that you don't ultimately fight the hot war because it would be so immensely destructive

that both sides aren youre i'm trying to tell les agree with me i'm trying to tell you and i think there's going to be a new listencept of the east ok listen was the cquare this ast was the soviet union

i think it's pretty bad

that like we are i agree with you in some kind of schpanglrian sense

that we are just

headed down the tubes like there's a certain kind of nihilistic death drive

at the heart of the white race

i actually agree with you and it's something that we need to confront and there are a lot of different cause do't you think this new fround militarization aming that america is this like

horrifying hellescape

and we're just suffocating europeans spiritually so over spir spiritually yes i kind of agree it kind of i look i am involved in a project of

are and spiritual renewal so i didn't sey anything about the are and but

y know i certainly wouldn't from i think christianity is part of what you're describing

but well ok so be promoting le listen white person listen my overall point is slyy is a utterly nihilistic religion at it's very

corps

i think the irony is you keep mentioning this word nehalsm but this kind of fascistic militarism

is precisely based in what netzschean needlism complete needlism

end of sh is not a nihilist yeah but you get you get its nile yeah that's that's the point right it's a vain is netzsche tried to fight it in vain he couldn't do it

so that's the point if you believe that this world is a veil of tears and that nothing really matters

and that the pure good is outside the material world and that

one day will go to an after life and live forever this is this is the cricatre of this is a curricature of the christian position a christi

this is not christianity heretagre sure this is some kind of not know what you're talking about some kind of gnostic heresy real christian religion

is about the dialectic of heaven and earth about the other worldly and the worldly

the moment of their meeting right

and that's where meaning is ok so mike but this is a better version of christian different philosophical dispute going on still rate to rerain it back

how can europe find meaning in a combination of hradic globalism plus militarism

i don't agree with your premise that like

european culture at this point is just sit simply read it

i think so i mean i think precisely so that's fair enough and i also have granted you that

you are describing something that is very real

and i think this is in some ways a let's just find let's let's let's sense that we're living our lives let's communicatek in the real let's just make it bes ofverse i agree with you but let's make it more clear because when i when i as offer you else yeahya is just absolutely ok ok sure sure but when i ask you

where can we find the independent european kind of identity or consciousness or logos you give me something too broad and too like ancient like i give you something very immediate and specific the rded globalist give you something that happened yesterday and that rearmament of germany ok there is

no you can't have a civilization this is outside but you have a kind of needlestic view you don't understand simply arming is not the logos this is the arm of ready agree of course i agree with this is read it's arming it's so this is the necessary read edition

for i want to use the word logos means word

of course that it also kind of means logic

has a very platonic and christian association

call it call it what you want but what a s youur it is what i would call sure sure sure german gus ok you can't capture that

outside of the material necessity

of fighting someone to the death

and so you you must arm you must be willing to w the for a purpose it's always for your i saw i saw something where i don't purpose here is reduse hold on you evoke

hegel and maybe ko i don't getting it eh the master slave dialectic

i i'm yeah in that sense i'm a gai the problem need to be sure risk your own life yes our self body willing to do hold on i you were going to have any sure sure consciousness but your master slave dialectic is not just based on biological survival it's based on purpose logos what is the purpose of rearmament

except an extension of reded globalism

i get i get that i think that's actually an astute criticism that you're making

i absolutely

because i don't see ppose i don't see the purpose i that that is an astute criticism that youve just made

what i am saying is that

out of this new kind of i use it on twitter t like mortality salience that sense that we might all die in a world war

out of that new sense that pressure

there could be a revival of a spirit

that defines german and european people

and maybe i'm engaging in a little wishful ok i will start somewhere for the sake of the spirit of intellectual whatever

here's what i'll grant

okay

intellectual whatever

read its globalism has the specific feature of a lack of cognizance of mortality

it's a view of kind of ra we are immortal right we live forever we

there's no sense of live in cyberspace yeah there's no sense of like as hygdeger would put it there's no cognizance of finitude right and finitude is what defines our

being or our identityes or sorry finitude is what defines us but

here's the problem

what we are not seeing is a finitude is not rediscovered in a complete thermonuclear threat like this threshold of just total annihilation or total war it to takes a very specific specific particular form not of the finitude of biological life specifically

but thefinitude of a kind of a guist or idea or state or

determinate kind of logos that's the kind of a

that's the thing that

must be finite in order for us to be human right us being finite in the sense of like physical death

doesn't have to necessarily mean in me you can look in liberia with in civil war in the nineties complete slaughters

endless slaughterhouse bodies flying that this doesn't actually lead to any kind of awakening of of

sign or anything like that right so what you're saying is very interesting hans and it's actually surprising and i think it's a very very good critique of what i put forward

i would i would simply offer that

out of this new kind of finitud this this new sense of our own mortality this new sense that we're going to have to risk it

but the problem there there is the it the foundation for a real guys is there

but what i'm suggesting the problem i'm hopeful yeah yeah but the problem is that it's not really a finitude because

it's a kind of you see this also with this new digital readed culture whatever is that they do have an ex sense of extreme violence an extreme kind of sense of apocalypse and annihilation like for example with cancl culture

when someone's cancelled they're dead the doesn't matter what happens to them raped killed tortured who cares right

so that's not a real finitl a few times that's not i know that's not a real finitude because it's simply on the one hand you have am

you have a type of kind of unconditional readit comfort in safety and identity beyond the threshold of which is just complete

negation death right finitude comes when you have negation of the negation where it's not simply something this empty universalism beyond the threshold of which is total negation you have a determinate universalism beyond the threshold of which is a kind of sea of openness with which you can discover other particularities have dialogue something like that right so the problem is

this rearmament in this new found sense of like anxiety

is a type of precisely a fanaticism perfectly compatible not only compatible but as

is an extension of ded globalism

ok

i simply don't agree with you but i think i would tip my cap that you are making a very

uh

interesting and thoughtful criticism

oka and it's something i'm going to think about

okay so um do you i go into

a canadan

sure

uh let me pull up the ones that we do have

helli um

all right so from entry think you cht from k max mcdonald for both guests do you have do you both agree on putin's motivations what in your view is motivating this action against the ukraine

you can go first

h in my view there is the recent context which was the ceasefire violations and the

continued shelling of dounyetsk

then is also the long term view which is that russia will not tolerate

a a

ukraine in nato it's not going to tolerate an anti russian power in ukraine

h specifically because this is a lot of something people overlook is that

there's a element of geostrategic importance with ukraine

because of that vulgar grad straight

and

if that's taken it's the end of the russian state as we know it

ok apparently we now agree because that is

basically what i said in my opening statement

i mean

i think nato expansion is a threat to russia as putin understands russia

but i think there's something actually in fact unique

about ukraine

and the threat of a german army marching to the caspian

is

the that would that would be circlement

and that is

simply intolerable he will not accept that so i

think nato expansion is a real thing but it's actually there's something unique about ukraine

okay

so and from camack said what is plan be for putin say he takes over ukraine in the next month does he stop there or try for another territory

no i don't foresee

i don't foresee putin people are trying to depict him as like a madman a new hitler who wants to just conquer for conquer's sake

it reflects a poor understanding of the nature of russia's both russia's nature of its operation within ukraine

as well as its broader jewel

geostrategic influence the interests in the region

do you want me to repeat that question richard

no i i heard it

i don't think he has further territorial ambitions

um

there is that question of like the baltic region or something or moldova i mean a

i'm not so sure about that i don't think this war

has gone swimmingly for russia

i think there's a very good chance that russia will win

and i think there's also my prediction

is that we're going to end up with a kind of divided ukraine

there's a i e a german situation and that's my speculation i would say

but i don't think this is been a

knockout war

that is over in three days i think it's actually going to be much more of a slog and i think i do think that russia has a very strong chance of winning

but i don't think wuite

factored in the just

insane enthusiasm and unanimity of the editors

and

and also the government's

and so i think it's going to be a slog but i and it i don't think

expanding beyond that is is going to be possible

even if you wanted to do it

and i'm not sure he does

kep

m all right

mm heky imyself a collo but

ok and also from entropy from paxty said and the chat said too has how is the west run by anglo saxon elites even identifying as anglo saxon we'll get a politician attacked by the entire media we clearly haven't been run by anglo saxons in a long time

that's more of a cultural feature that's actually particular to anglo saxon civilization of

denial of one's own particularity

in favor of a kind of universal identity

but when you look at the meat and potatoes of the history of the institutions that rule us and govern us

we can see continuity between the

the british empire and the united british empire didn't just go away right it changed its form so you have the city of london

a financial institution you have the world bank you have things like this and these are very determinate specific connections

that traced their lineage

a to the british empire so this is what rules us right these are the people who are the linchpin

and masters of our

political and economic system

i don't fully disagree with that i mean i think there are there is a we have a

bretonwood system created on nine hundred forty four

even before the end of the war

a kind of

global currency system i think it's also a fair statement to say that the united states kind of inherited

the legacy of the british empire

as it began to fall in the forties fifties and sixties

i think that's all fair

i don't think you should

and the same time deny that there is a

a new player in town

there was a lot of collaboration between

jewish zionist force

in the british

i'll have to roll

us just to be clear i'm on twitch right now i obviously disagree with that but we're not going to we're not going to be able to argue with that but i just want to express i completely disagree with that

that's you

richard what are your thoughts from the writings of comrad number three

that's just a community mean

that's just the community mean yeah

okay

i don't know what that is

yeah i have no idea what that is either um foky thank you so much for the savie hachat hooky saved the day by the way you guys a'll suck um said enjoy that ckrypto cashh buy bitcoin um thank you for that and then let me go to aut to see um hold on so from

but mine the western organization of o s c e recognized the election of janakovich in two thousand and ten so they were dishonest when they recognized the coup of two thousand and fourteen

and

that's probably for haz

you're saying the o s c e

recognize is that what they said

year you always see recognized the other guy and then they were ust he's asking me were they dishonest for recognizing the post coup government yeah i believe so

uh

i don't know if it's a matter of dishonesty but it calls into question what the basis of recognizing a legitimate government actually is where does that come from

i think that's it

yah

um from

morlack thve t to say a question for spencer what's your twitch r name i'll buy you a subscription sounds like you have some doubts about trotskyism

we have three support sessions what was that meantford

sencer ind of ookingly said i was a trotskyist of the no i'm not on twitch i've never attempted to be on twitch i don't play video games outside of chess

but i don't know if i should stream on twitch who knows

okay ya'll be interesting um alright from anonymous

um

the sp ch at his sade richard why is being nazy a good thing

well

why is

yeah i have no idea what they're doing

um and then we have

from

les refresh this

uh alright so

from

line said it is not europe's interests to be hostile to russia

um

and then prevailing west

mhm

said thanks for a great debate guys me see i for'm missing anything

o yes we are the k

um so from k max he said uh mcdonald said

when bdd crimea his popularity soared this time the media reports he is not how do both guests see the difference

between crimea and this action

i have not seen evidence of a deterioration of the public's approval of putin i think it went from sixty percent to seventy one

last time i checked of

confidence in the president of russia

so i think his numbers are up actually

again

i think in you don't see this in the western social media of course

i'm not so sure about that i mean

i

after i believe popularity increased and his it weirdly his relationship with the west got a bit better after the two thousand and eight

strike on georgia

um and uh

there were i mean there was a lot there's certainly a lot of anti putin

rhetoric in the media and there were sanctions to some of some kind

a after twenty fourteen but but nothing like what we're facing today i also agree that a lot of foreign policy is determined

by

a domestic issues it's determined by shoring things up the public at the end of the day likes wars or likes winning wars

i am not so sure about what's happening now i mean

the level of sanctions are unprecitented

i mean

switzerland did not

do what they did to hitler and they're now doing this to russia i mean that's pretty remarkable

in terms of freezing assets

there is a asset freeze of the central bank so you're attacking the ruble itself

i mean

what no flights are coming into the united states canada or western europe i mean what has happened is really dramatic

there is going to be pain

for the average citizen and i think

putin is

on a knife's edge in a way that he has never been in his entire twenty year career

get the commuted

s of a bench every ficking time annoying every time

alright

whatever

m all right so we are all gought up on that and we can do closing statements and final thoughts since richard went first then if you want to go first for closing statements you can

uh

so for my final thoughts so in the current situation i think the overall takeway for how i view russia's intervention in ukraine is that this is an impetus for all alternative global forces islamic in the middle east u

everywhere in the world india america the west even

ah the truckers in canada

this is a form of rebellion against the current global establishment and the current status quo across the board it's not simply a conflict between nations it's a more fundamental type of insurrection against the dabos agenda of the great reset

et cetera et cetera et cetera

so in my view it has world historical significance as a big nail in the coffin of the american empire

and uh the ushering in of a truly uh and also

ah

ah unpredictable multipolar age right i don't know if we're entering a an age of the cold war's bipolar age i think it's going to be a truly multipolar age i think we have to adjust to this and i think only the west has maintained this kind of

neuroticism of just one universal

world community and civilization

and before you geve your closing we did get one more question for richard think you s chat from pax to be said to richard can we really blame putin for his aggressiveness when the west has slammed the door in his face at every turn so want to answer that and then you can give your closing

i know i mean i acknowledge that the beginning i think

russia has real strategic objectives at play

ando expansion is one of them

and so i understand

putin's objectives

and i'm not going to moralize about them

i'm not going to claim that he's evil

ah for one thing

now there's a lot of evil that's going to come from this war and just in terms of

loss of life and nastiness and

death of

innocence

but i don't think i understand his geopolitical perspectives and i will not

moralize about them

it this conflict isn't in a way kind of situated

me

m

i

i

have an understanding of

putin

but i also understand my own situation as a westerner and as an american

and i am going to embrace that

finitude or particularities

of it

um

i think we are to do a certain extent

a entering a new age of multiplarity but i think

this is going to

more prominently feel

like we're returning to the twentieth century

and that all of the questions that came out of american unipolarity

a humanitarian intervention in the nineties

um

you know regime change wars in the two thousands and

the latter i opposed in my small way

as a as a young adult

in two thousand and three and two thousand and four

we are entering a different type of mindstet

europe is in a different position than it was at the end

of the second world war in the beginning of the first cold war

a when it was largely in rubble and in a state of humiliation

and i think europe is going to play is already playing

a much stronger role

than it did at that time so i think there's going to be some real significant differences

ah in this neo cold war

and i hope

that

this new kind of mortality

the sense of destruction the sense of death

this fear

is going to awaken

eight eight

a spirit among americans and europeans that we' have lost over the past thirty years

and that readed age which has really i think it very accurately described

a might be

in the rear view mirror and were entering

a new age of great politics

and i think that's a very good thing

all right well thank you guys both for doing this a fun debate this was a neated debate

and i think i'm a little bit unexpected on some of the positions so that was good but

and ya so um if you just want to shut yourselfs out uh one more time where people can find you um haz

uh i'm uh

uh infra haz on twitter

on the infrared show on twitch and on youtube you can just find me at infrared

uh thank you so much

yeah richard b spencer on twitter

and also i do a

all right thank you so much uh bye bye

you thank you

thank you noble woman appreciate you appreciate you so much thank you nobleman

appreciate you

oka

that was that

thank you so much j c appreciate you thank you holy fox wag nearly thank you ma'am appreciate it appreciate it so much

bas

thank you soul asylum thank you ma'n

thank you so much reper thank you ma'am thank you so much appreciate it appreciate it appreciate it appreciate it

there we go

have we still even covered the news

wen't even fuk and cover the news today we got to do the fucking news

base

i had to get another webcamp for that shit

aw man

bas

what a dream

thank you so much rok saw holy fuck okay i can't even geve up

jan r

thank you so much roxsav thank you so much more lok thank you man you so much just a pal thank you manprechated werecated so much

we go a lot of news to cover guys we got a lot of news to cover

arctic angel wll f thank you so much holy shit

thank you thank you so much tendy boy

holy fok mission with a five only fo thank you there's like a lot of shit we got to cover so that debate i

so guys tomorrow deth debate didn't really

talk about the details the you see that it didn't really talk about the details of the russia ukraine situation it was more like broad

and overarching three thank you guy i have appreciate you that was a more overarching broader debate

about you know that it's more philosophical i guess tomorrow we're not over tonight we're going to cover a lot of news

but to morrow just in case you didn't know it's going to be me and jackson

versus destiny and dilon burns

and we are going to be talking about the de needy gritty of the details of russian ukraine

so stay tuned for that tomorrow is going to be much more

stalinis bege stalinism

unambiguous inferad victory

thank you wise appreciate you

talking to texas n i don't know

ah probably not

but you know

post debate thoughts what i think what are my thoughts let's just say

thank you jane my thoughts are

adam something is not showing up so dylan's coming back

but my final thoughts are

i think there's a lot i wanted to say that i forgot to and i didn't

but

yeah i think it does reveal a kind of paradox that people should be thinking about right which you do have this kind of

revival of neo nazism in europe is not taking explicit form you know needed fifteen dollars

thank you for telling the truth about russ and you thank you so much orv appreciate you

but m

yeah

i think people should think about that

you know

one of the things i can see is that he does accurately represent the opposing side

i just wish dylan and destiny could be as honest as richard spencer

about what it means to be against russia

in this scenario and pro ukraine i just wish they could be as honest right

it's a symbole i wish all these fucking liberals and read it people and all these fuck i wish they could just be as honest as that right

they just can't

right they can't because that's part and parcel of how

the imperialist machine works as it pretends it's universal right when it's not

simple as that

it's as simple as that

he says what

they're not allowed to say and that's why he's an embarrassment you know

he just says what they're not allowed to

he says what doing burns wants to say he says what osh wants to say but they can't say that they just simply can't

right

check fact checking

ah

oh i know that there's a lot of evidence of

soviet oh there's a lot of fertility

hod on this is weird

i didn't know this so i i let this slip past in the debate

so the whole thing about fertility rates is that they were actually higher

in the gdr

i did not know that i expected that i just didn't know

but

yeah so that's something i got caught like he was like oh well they were higher in west germany and it turns out

that was only true for

uh a few periods and barely right and then here you see a drastic difference

much higher fertility in the

the g d r

after the seventies right

this is also when the g d r started to be more traditional and conservative

as well

i think

right

so

that's an interesting thing

a lot of people were pointing a lot of people were putting shit in fact checking i just

i wasn't looking in there i wasn't doing anything like that

um

we have a lot

of things to cover

lot of things took over

there was a lot of misinformation that went on

bas

i'll send this to jackson nextely

say

there's a lot of things that happened today where they're accusing so i predict this actually i told you guys were going to happen right

first what they're doing is they're doing this narrative

that ukraine's beating russia ukraine's beating russia now russia starting to take the gloves off a little bit

ah more and more as the days pass

and what dy know now it's indisputable russa's going to win

and now they're going to say oll russia is committing war crimes they're going to be playing the victim

right

so yeah

houter the debated went well

when well

whatub jackson

it wentt well

i

but we've got to get right in the news guys we've gotve got a lot to cover

a whole lot to cover

an

we've a lot of breaking news and it let's try to address the most of the allegations

so like there was a lot we missed

toyeath there's a whole lot

russian soldiers are basically in mariupul

taking a mariople is imminent

people who are accused of looting are being paraded through kiev there's a lot of criminal activity going on it's a big thing i

oh nice jackson

a lot of

a lot of criminal activity is go on a lot of people to understand this

is that the whole country doesn't just suddenly unite

against the enemy

there's still internal

business as usual crime gangs and all that stuff

so we're actually going to talk about this which is going to be a big theme for today

and just to change the theme

brain in

committing war crimes

and you're goinga think oz this is a form of propaganda

and this is kind of like a biased thing i'm saying and

wellt let's hear it straight out of horse's mouth as far as the war crimes

for now there will be no more captured russian artillerymen no mercy

no please do not kill i surrender will not pass

each calculation no matter commander driver gunner loader

will be slaughtered like pigs piss in your pants

we've already come for you

this is totally a sign that they're winning and this is what this is what confidence sounds like right well this is actually

an official government oregon itdmitting that they intend on engaging in war crimes right

and again

if russia can't retaliate because russia's the big one and ukraine's the small one and

you know

people are going to inevitably sympathize more with ukraine in the west

because they have a skewed view of what's going on

now i wane mind people because a lot of people don't know this actually it's actually a really common thing people get wrong when it comes to this whole conflic conflict russia is not even using

ten percent of its total capabilities

in ukraine i'm not even sure if they're using all of their the army that they've amassed at the border yet

for deployment right russia is using a very very very small part of its military capability in ukraine there has been no sign and no intention that its deploying reinforcements

m

or deploying more of its weapons the are specifically they specifically carved out

a part of its military for this task and that specific part is going to finish the job

they're not

this is not a full scale war

by any uh metric by any standard and by any uh

by any means it's not a full scale war

trying to find the twitter account that originally tweeted this

it was actually a tweet

um

it was a tweet that i think i could find here

ah right here hold on

in a second they did delete it

or and read and change it but

let me see

ok so here here was the original one

so the original one was right here

right here its been deleted

the tweet has been deleted

it was from the kia of independence

um

they reported on it the key of independent is the one who reported on it

and i'll show you the screenshot of what they said

kiev independent war primes

they deleted it's on facebook okay here it is this is the facebook post

yeah this is the facebook post and it has a

a check mark

so here's the facebook post and this is a official ukrainian account

with the ukrainian government

and

it says this right here

greetings to the russian artillery

um

from now on there will be no more captured no mercy

every calculation wll matter

be slaughtered like pigs

there you go

karl kalinsky what is he saying

yeah this is hohy i first saw it too kincy posted it

the keyv independent made this tweet and they deleted it

the shelling has been ramped up

recently

um

in carkive

specially i'm not sure if shelling has begun in keth gys i remember i woke up

i didn't even see what happened

ah in ukraine

i think lavrov

there this is an interview with sergei lavrov the russian foreign minister

so we have this

i'm probably getting ahead of myself

but nato is even dragging neutral nations into its schemes like eu member states in switzerland

the mobility programe forces austria sweden and finland to provide their transport capabilities to nato to move its armed forces

this natocentric approach is becoming omnipresent and the eu meekly agrees to be an obedient appendix of the alliance

check fact checking discord for kiev explosions

okay uh apparently there's explosions in keep hearing a bout explosions in kia what do you mean

more explosions and key repeatedly caliber missiles an anonymous russian telegram is announced as a few hours ago

seem to be targeted yeah this is nothing new this is nothing new ok

i don't know if it's like it's it's not like hackive right now or yet right

where

m

it's basically not under siege yet right

and i'm sure that's going to change

ah in good time

we have some more fake news

a school down it's new

school on what

check the

i know it's now

ok we have a

put the forg

we have some more fake news

that got exposed

so this is supposed to be a captured russian tank it's actually not

the videos from twenty nineteen and this was a ukrainian tank

nothing is captured this is just the ukrainian army on a ukrainian tank

so that's what's going on with that whole thing

yeah it's an example of the rampant disinformation in fake news that's been going around and which has been making the rounds

ah i have seen pro russian fake news

but these accounts have called it out

right

so that this account seems pretty reliable

ah like the one with the austrian street performance where there was like saying oh look

ukraine's pretending these are russian bodies but that the guy awake awoke when i was an austrian street performance

it wasn't a

wasn't had nothing to do with ukraine t v tower and arkiv got blown up

so ukrainian media is saying there's huge resistance in kearson

m

and apparently this is it

i guess that's the resistance i don't know

well i don't know maybe there's more

ah spain yet germany has shipped a bunch of weapons to ukraine

ah recently

i did hear about that

graffiti at the canadian embassy in beijing

bucnato

they painted z

uh are they taped zon and they said folk nato this is the canadian embassy in uh

beijing

e i know they have kerson

bc capped lying claiming russia bombed a university

not to mention it was a military academy

i'm just making sure there's no t o s in this photo

yeah

bbc line

claiming a university was hit it's the air force run by the ministry of defense

office of security services a target see it for yourself

so this is the rkiv university of air force

office of security service of ukraine in the karka region

so they're saying russia targeted a

a university and this actually just turned out to be a

an air force academy

is this the university everyone was reporting on that the russians were hitting

let's see

they're attacking schools this was this the example of that or is there more

a

so it has have churches been targeted i heard that that's something i heard

where are the churches that have been attacked by russia

um

during the first six months of the war in donbas

sixty two orthodox churches were damaged or destroyed in dounyetsk

some were deliberately targeted

but there's news of russia targeting churches or something right so what's the um

what is the veracity of that

i'm seeing this guy named jim

say that there's churches being targeted let's see

ah ukraine church i hear hear this there's this guy he's saying

so this is a guy

on the ground

morning

and he's interviewing someone saying i'm seeing dead children seeing hospitals being bombed i'm seeing churches being bombed

ah this is a volunteer ukrainian medic is this the evidence of that

i had that do we have evidence to speak with

tata maharya

she moved from her small town in ukraine's dunboss region in the that it's aput it and willll investigate it right

but some one's got to link something in the discord

nothing to youus of course but just linker

length the evidence

is

to the capitol keyve in twenty fifteen to study

international law but now

she is serving with a volunteer met on we have this

this is being linked

eight

so this footage of like a calamity this is in new zealand it has nothing to do with ukraine

so that was the bunk

medical battalion

that's been responding

to the loss of life

let's go to the live y map

they used their report on likek all the attacks

we're looking at a tax in isium

m

how can you say putin is good

h by by saying it putin is good that's how i do it

looking for news about churches

ok apparently a cathedral was damaged in the

cartive

according to live ua map

the

assumption cathedral in carkay was damaged by the shelling

people were hiding there at the time but unfortunately no one was injured i don't know it was this target was deliberate was it a deliberate attack on a cathedral

not sure

not so sure about that

on the front page of destiny's read it

can these people falk off i don't

want anything to do with them

oh

russian cants banned from competition

lll

yeah i heard about the cat thing

sanctions on cats this was reported by c g tien

russian owned cats have been banned from international competition

following the invasion of ukraine

thef

the has also ruled that no russian bred cats can also be imported and registered you know what

i think this whole thing should be banned why do we have a federation of cats

internationally i think that should be fucking banned

imagine how fuckin snobby and pretentious you have to be to fuckin

care this much about cats

honestly

good ridins

good riddens since when are cats this falccin important

oh there's an international competition of breeding cats

bok we tolerate them but they're just supposed to kind of be in the background and we don't really like

acknowledge em that much there's a whole international federation

well look

unlike the o s c e

i hope ukraine

is following the rules of this international body

a

because it clearly had a hard time doing so with

the o s c and you know the minsk agreements and stuff but anyway i

apparently cathedral was damaged and why are people saying that means russia's bombing churches i don't think that's true

looking for more info

barely a bangladesh flagged ship

was hit

by russian missile

m

lot of misinformation

is making the rounds of unconfirmed fucking shit th're saying

it's not even confirmed the are already fucking pointing fingers

this is day seven of the combat operations

ah one fourth of ukraine's land area

several major pockets are developing or complete

so this is day seven

i think it's going pretty smoothly for the russians

a lot of people were saying oh russia is having such a hard time

beuse they thought it was just what they thought was chaos

was part of a methodical very strategically calculated operation

of bobbing and weaving you know like

when you encounter resistance you go back you encircle it's the very very specific maneuver they were conducting right

ally this is one fourth of ukraine's land area

and this is the also the map of skyrim

sore

ah let's continue

russian store in germany

to

so this is an example of the rampant russophobia fanaticism you're seeing in germany it's extremely dangerous

ah pretty fucking disturbing right this was a russian store in germany supposedly

yeah he was

pretty disturbing

btty fungg and disturbing

so much cope in the stream what exactly are we coping about go i pointed out

point out what we're coping about

go ahead

make an actual fuckan argument actually say something

based in something what are we coping about exactly

us believes ukrainian troops are targeting russias

forty mile convoy of tanks and artillery that is stalled miles of kiev

i'm sure it's stalled because they ran out of food

they ran out of granola bars

thatn't be suretter wll what di i ske he

smoke grenade

they said this was a grenade launcher where they fired on civilians blocking the way

ah they're saying russian occupation troops attacked unarmed civilians blocking the entrance

to enter hodor

with grenade launchers and machine guns

is that true

war criminals they're saying they're war criminals

well

that's a smoke grenade

that landed next to some one and they immediately fell to the ground

the shots are warning shots

if they were not there would be casualties

and we don't see any casualties

so that's an example of the misinformation that's going on

so here they shed a video of a smoke grenade being launched near them

and then warning shots being fired and they were saying russias are throwing grenades at unarmed people blocking their way and open fire to kill

this is just not supported by the evidence they gave us

a and it's not supported by any evidence at all

okay

and the overwhelming majority of cases in which civilians are blocking military movements

you're seeing the tanks turning back because they don't want to deal with it

ah here it seems they threw with a smoke grenade

and they fired warning shots and there's no casualties

this is another example of fake news

oh wow hold on we have very interesting breaking news

wow

ah mister alexey navalny

dlan covered this and said russia is killing them with machine guns

ok yan covered that and said russ is killing them with michie what a fucking re

i thought by now he'd be like ok i have a debate ready so i shan't like lie about should i to be careful

about the information i'm spreading

but no apparently dllon literally covered this

and said that the russians were shooting them with machine guns and throwing grenades at them

when this was a smoke grenade

and the shots were all warning shots and none of em got fired on

that's pretty fucking crazy if you ask me

that's an insane level of fucking this information and lying

ok

to be fair

m

live yan's getting all this information from live ua map

and live viewa map

is biased and

falsely reports on things unsupported by the source

that they give right

so he just reads this and assumes it's true dilon has taken absolutely no precautions

to actually check about the veracity

of the reports he's getting from live ua map

he's just assuming it's true without actually knowing right

the video was faked

i don't know if the video is fake it's just that the video does not show people getting fired on

with machine guns it's just small it dot also doesn't show a fucking grenade it doesn't show this right

this headline

so yet i mean what's new he doesn't care

well let me tell you if i confronted him with that fake news

he would basically say you're putin shill

so you guys don understand we're dealing with an army of npcs

whenever we confront them with fake news

they just accuse us of being putin shills well has whenever you're getting confronted with fake news you just accuse them of being nato shills no i don't

i've repeatedly challenged people to confront me with some

fake news that i've reported on

um and i'll call i'll

correct myself right

and i'll try to be better

and it also decreases the reliability of the sources

that i'm getting mine so i get a lot of my sources

from a s b news

and from r w a which are two twitter accounts that are reliable they have a reliable precedent in my view

but if you can point out them lying or spreading fake news

oh

not only will i like retract what i said before

i'll change where i get my sources from right

or i'll rethink my willingness to report on things

to reliable those are reliable sources

french media woman expose the truth i did see that

um

i did see that

oh by the way as germany has just taken down my vad in case anyone cares

but yeah germany has just taken down my vaud

ah let me find it because i retweeted on my fucket profile as well we can watch that interview

yeah this is on t v so french media brought on a ukrainian women and they were like oka she's going to totally shit all over putin

and it's going to be of you know

it's going to suit our agenda and whatever

we just make sure there's no um yeah there actually is some t o s i think

starting oka here

ok

and be careful

ok we're going to watch this

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ok continuing so dylan burns reported fake news

he just ad he just read this headline and said it was true he didn't even investigate whether it was true or not he just reported

that to his audience that tells you about the reliability of the claims

you're getting on some of these

to which channels reporting on what's going on in ukraine

navali calls on protesters world okay this is what i want to report on

so guys mr nevali is making a comeback

he calles on protes worldwide against putin's war

seven pm on weekdays and two pm on weekends i'm sure people in india are going to heed the call of navale

those who say against the war fight against the war

you can't wait a day wherever you are

go to the main square of your city on the weekday and at four on the weekdays and holidays

it looks like novalni is not as relevant as the used to because sadly

this has only gotten eight thousand likekes

it actually looks like he kind of fell off a little bit

um

we s

so that's navalney who no one gives a shit about anywhere in russia

injuries on the front lines of this literally no one gives a shit about him

nobody fucking gives a shit about navali i just want to reiterate that no one cares about him in russia

americans love em

it's conflict conflict i started

russians opened fire on a monument they mistaken for a ukrainian n p c

this is interesting so russians are firing on

a they're desecrating a unesco world heritage site

it's very tragic so this is a russian vehicle this is actually a monument and they thought this was like a

a military veuicle and it was literally just a

i'm a dumas

do you have an argument

source source no source

you know what uh

i actually want to press this guy where's he a

rizite

how's your dumbass

ky can you demonstrate that

can you persuade anyone that that's the case since it's not self evident

to the majority of people here what is your actual argument

what is your actual argument

how can you raise the maat potatoes with the skin

can you prove it in any kind of way

can you make an argument going of w or just going to sit there and cope and bluff like a little bitch

do you have any type of argument at all

but why that might be true

can you explain in any kind of way whatsoever why that might be true or how that might be true god explain explain how i'm a dumb ass go ahead

just enlighten us

we're waiting

we're waiting

yeah the floor is yours and we're waiting

ok he doesn't have anything as i expected he has absolutely fucking nothing

just accept that you're clown

you're a little bitch

your whole listen your whole life is being a little bitch you're a fucking pu see this what he yes

everyone knows it

do you know it it seems like you're hiding behind everyone but do you know it how can you prove it can you demonstrate it

based on what

based on what because that's what they say to cope

you little bitch

you're just hiding behind what other people say

to cope by the way

i mean do you have anything

do you have literally anything no you have nothing you don't have anything

you don't have a falccing thing

get the fuck out of your little bitch i'll get you living

see if you ask me hey has why is destiny a dumb ass like a b c d e e g the whole alphabet i could give you bullet points why is theing birds a dumb ass a b c d g a wll bucket alphabetor why is the dumb ass but whenever i ask you guys why am i supposedly stupid always being you never have anything you have nothing

you don't have any fucking argument you literally have nothing

nothing

you're fucking nothing

ok

how many times has hassan been gifted a fucking sob in this chat

im just curious like

like every single day he gets gifted another sub

and guys there's actual chaters who couldn' use that sub

k just sane

there's literal chatters

who don't have sbs

and want them

check the ms which the ms

i have many fucking thems

ok thank you just a pro appreciate you thank you just a pro appreciate you

what the fuck

they're changing the definition of propaganda the chang check us out check us out

hold on look at this guys

i actually want

used to see this okay

this is like surreal this is fucking mind boggling

if putin does pull out the nukes do you think your views change at all

thank you people when they don't

they liter it hypothetically even if that was true

it changes nothing

to me it changes nothing i'm sorry i'm sorry to tell you

i'm sorry to tell you at no point am i going to be against putin

because if you were to do that it would be because nato is doing the same that's like a last resort

right

thank you reaper

am

a dumb ass you're a dumb ass i can tell you why go ahead and tell me why go ahead make an argument

meanwhile while we're waiting for your for your argument

and here's where we get to distinguish misinformation from propaganda

misinfo is false information

harmful false information

propaganda may or may not be false

that is propaganda not misinformation

because it's hard to make a case this is harmful

actually am i allowed to say that ok

who in ookes michigan though

that is just the dumbest thing i've ever heard

honestly i would be like that's that's like getting hit by a meteor i'm not going to blame anyone i'm be like okay just another day

some bullshit happening what a misfortune i mean it's suck

but what do you want what do you think i hate you put in

i'd be like you know what that's how shit is

that's like getting hit by a meteor you know i just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time

and being ruled by a government that i didn't have time to help

you know

replaced with a people's government i'd be like you know what man i don't know what to say

who i want to blame putin

i hate you know i mean that's just how shit happen you know shit is what it is

hejust another day in michigan

o

um

what

i s'm going to say what because literally what

misinformation is harmful information propaganda what

why is it harmful why is truth harm so the truth is harmful

someone who studies misinformation

the p we has been a mas the class and notw positive bactors with a strong information operation in tech platforms can create an environment in which misinformation struggles to take hold

are you sure about that

this is the biggest

biggest fucking lying piece of cope

i've ever seen in my whole life

holy shit

is this a joke seriously

someone tell me

have these liberals

lost their mind

is this even real life anymore

i'm trying to be angry and i feel guilty that i'm not angry

what it's like

i've just become desensitized i've become i've become so now i can feel my let me put that song on because that's just how i feel right now right

that's just how i feel

this is when i look at this tweet this is this is not what i think

this is how i feel looking at this fucking tweet i just feel like this all the hypocrisy all the lies all the fucking misinformation all the gaslighting and there's so much of it it's so overwhelming this is how i feel

this how i feel there's been so much of it this sweed is so shocking like i don't even what is like

what is life anymore what is life anymore ok is this a reality should we just adjust to this

western propaganda going to get thousands of to deturn western ver

psed about it i amking pissed about it because now you have a funcky case where the liberals have finally learned how to consive fake news and ask shit and they're like ohm dot think everyone's now on my side and that must mean we're combating misinformation it's fun

king go in it's falking in

that's what it is that's slowly ninethund eighty four finally we have all these redings behind all in is agre to le about agenda and that means we finally combated misinformation

these people are enslaving us they are literally enslaving us

i don't know it's a fucking ton you we're osing o humanity these people want to control us misinformation is everything that harms institutions we are literally they have us by the falking colar

they're trying to fcking control tot domination of the human spirit

they help us by the fohing color and they're injecting filth in our pocking veins

nobody s no falking js t these people rule us

he's liberals

these social engineers and academics that's not very politically correct of you

that's misinformation

a misinformation

holy fuck this is hell this is literally hell

i very rarely do i turn to god but sometimes i'm just like

ya allah what can you what can we do what can we do what can we do

what can we do

show me away show me away

we all came together in support of zelinski

first we have to acknowledge the role of fortune

i'm wary of lionising leaders

but zelenski certainly is a man made for the moment his personal bravery and outstanding communication skills have made it she talked about misinformation lls she's talking about a narrative which was based on fake news oll falking footage of him in military gear was from april twenty twenty one

it's not even so recently it's littal misinformation

so what is she actually saying here when she was confronted with its misadvice like oh

misinformation is when it's harmful that's just propaganda so what does this mean any more oh your li you're literally adverbatim saying

the agenda of the liberal globalists has triumphed

on a mass scale

that's what she's saying

translation

the agenda of liberal globalisms

for the first time

has triumphed on a mass scale

and she is proud

it's literally that fuck and simple

forty k likes

we neat this is like one of those tumbler fuck this

stupid fucking bullshit

one neat trick for making an information space hostile to misinformation flood the zone the u s government deserves credit for doing this

she is literally admitting this is a government astroturfed operation

not leaving an information vacuum for your opponent to fill makes the job much much harder

we are living in a worse nightmare than can have ever been

imagine

this is how

we must pray

we must endure

but this is hew

this is off

bucking nightmare

and we're on the cousp

of the end of humanity

liberal social engineers applauding

government

astroal turfing

consciously

how do we break out of this

how'd we break out of this

why do we break out of this how do we break out of this trap

click here to see the ghost of kiv that bad asked lady the here the snake island these are at minimum factually questionable

but they are conveying a sense of the ukrainian people that is sticking

even after theyir debunked the feeling remains

so where is the feeling based in

because it's not in fact or reality

holy fook we're living in a

balking fake

artificial world

of psychlosis and copium

holy fog

this is

this is fascism

she belongs in a mental asylum

what do you mean the feeling remains what's the feeling based in

even af it's the boat

truth doesn't fuck and matter

but you know why i'm mad guys you want to know why i'm fucking mad and i'm losing my shit and i'm just so fuck and outraged because these are the same people who for years have been telling us about the facts are important there's a lot of misinformation fact checked fake news snopes fact check trump's doing fake news

back checking cobt claims back checking claims about the vaccine and they've been telling us this and now suddenly they're going to be like this post modern bullshit well is it truth not the matter what the matos is a a feeling because if you sink about it every see some up dud you play this fucking game now why don't you buk and play when trump was elected then

i should have played it another time

fuck in plato's cave

jesus you know i have to admit it guys

richard spencer told the truth about

what this represents which is neon it's a revival of fascism

you know this is a revival of fascism

what he was talking i mean yeah

she's one step away from saying we must assume y superior eryan destiny cause they're not even pretending to be neutral any more right we're like one step away from that

we're one step away from her just saying

well we don't represent universal truth and universal humanity

but it's like it's that's the thing with fascism it's like on the one hand

they say oh we just represent our own particular interests and then on the other hand

they lay claim to universality

room temperature i q in this chat god damn ok fozzy we have another challenger

fosy i'm giving you fifteen seconds

to commit to defending that statement

and proving

that you can back this up with any kind of substance this claim with some substance

so do you have any substance to back this up

fifteen second fifteen

fourteen

thirteen

twelve eleven

ten

nine

eight

seven

six

five

four

three

two

one

you have nothing

you' have nothing you're a fucking coward

yeah busted

a little bitch once you get on my fucking shot go watch doing burns and he know me he can give me your cot the bs going to give you fe you can have your felings confirmed just like la ael sen tells us

what the matter see here i give em the cold hard truth i'm a give em the cold hard facts and the cold hard truth

im my give you a tough fucking pill to swallow in this fucking chat but you go watch ll and burn so you can have your eelings

this woman

it directly

a follower

of hitler

because think about it that's what hitler said

that the the facts don't matter it's the big lie

what matters is the i'll give an explanation to

or hitler

it's not important what the truth is

the big lie is ok because the feeling remains

all that matters is the feeling

there you go

m is gobbeles joseph gobbeles

we didn't give a fuck about the truth

joseph gogles

by the way i you ever wonder why misinformation would be so effective

and why debunking often doesn't change beliefs this is why

if you want to believe the story of the miss info supports even after speak the overng pression sticks jobs not so why do you care about misinformation

what does it mean to debunk anything there's no more truth then it's just a partisan war

right so stop pretending you represent universal truth because you fuck and don't

you don't

tech platforms they deserve credit she's literally saying

i just support ukraine this isn't about truth it's just about the right side right

it's just about the right side

tech platforms they're not beefing it they deserve credit for blocking ar t and spunding in europe

but not blocking long term spreaders of misinformation globally

when the government that controls them is actually trying to lie about their war atrocities is cats vers dogs what

who's lying about anything prove you sayd she can't prove who's lying who's not lying because the facts don't even matter anymore

right

cats were dogs

what does this have to do with anything

what can we learn from all this flood the zone with accurate info

humanize your side cats can be she's literally giving

i love how this woman

is openly giving a master class

in go bills

i don't like spuck in uh

propaganda techniques

admitting the truth doesn't matter

whatsoever

and making nolk

pertends to neutrality or

lack of bias at all

this is how our institutionalized open society is going full

ah

becoming nazified

becoming nonsified right

the open society is militarizing

the open societyes weaponizing right they're no longer saying all we're just neutral no now it's to do yhms are you know you against the other side follow

alex jones says we're under attack by these people and he was right

it waging information against the masses

they're admitting they're waging information war against the masses and it's not about truth anymore

this is fuck and unprecedented

none of this matters without ground truth being on your side

you have zero pucking facts

interason doesn't matter if the kinetic wars lost

and they haven't lost yest

there is no evidence to support any of this not

and when we point this out you say oh

but the truth doesn't

doesn't matter only feelings

fulk your feelings will twitter bad me if i say fulk your feelings

so

how can you establish any ground truth at all

go ahead

i challenge you

i genuinely hate this woman

i hate her

i think she should i think legally

these type of tweets should land you in prison

i think we should have laws that say you should go to prison

we're making that tweet

for fifty years

fifty years of prison

this is criminal behavior this is criminal behavior criminal behavior

this is criminal behavior

this is criminal behavior

it's a whole mass psychosis operation

for the new fascist world order yep

the new world order of fascist

on fock unbelievable

kate i always used to say guys the whole anti fascism stuff right now

it's being exaggerated you know trump is not a fashionist you know that guy richard spencer he's not a threat and i don't think he's a threat by the way he's just

an eccentric character of media he's offensive i understand he's offensive but there's no neo nazi revival in this country and i kept always saying that

now i'm tell you that i'm going full

i am going full

sa i got something

ok i am going full dimitrov here and i'm raising the alarm

batism is coming

fascism is here nazism is here fascism is here i am waging the fucc and war of the alarm

and forget about those antifa people we need to become we need a real

anti fascist alliance in this country

because fascism has reared its ugly head once again

it's come back

fastism's back

fascism's back

dylan burns is a fascist

osh is a fascist

the dsa fascist

american liberals becoming fascists the progressive fascists a o c fascist

open society agenda fascist the institutions fascist the democratic party fascist

fascism is come back

fascisms come back and the republicans are not awaken to it i tell republicans about this they have't know wh they're sleeping they're not even awake even mogo is not away awakened to this threat i tell the mado people and they even know what i'm talking about

they're not awakened they haven't been awakened they don't even know what's coming for them the january sixth trials

where they're going to persecute people for being a domestic terrorists that's just begune

you you haven't even seen the an inch of what's going on right now right you don't even know

even these mother people are fucking naive they have no idea what what's in store for them no idea

i have no idea

i'm raising the alarm bells right now

i am raising the alarm bells right now and officially

we are approaching a revival of fascism in the west

and in america this is it this is the moment right

now

right now is the moment

right now is the moment

of the revival of nazizo

this is it

this is what we're witnessing this is what this conflict has finally exposed

we've seen signs of it

looking at the disgusting absolutely

depraved

rampant liberalism that's taking over on wwitch the truth is

look hassan

that hason guy he's just fucking naive

that hassan guys naive he comes from the legacy

alternative media of the young turks and he's naive

he's nknaive

but you know what

he doesn't even know what he's doing

he doesn't even know what's the store for him

this platform's going to collapse pretty soon you look at assan's community and his chat

they all hound him for not being anti russia enough you ever notice that

they hound the fock out of him

why because that's a san community they're going to go in the direction

of these new liberals these new fascist liberals

that were seen

you know

and

the reason be it has why don't you go hard on hassan any more why don't you go on hard on hassan any more

because i can see that the sun has no future

he's naive he doesn't know about this new fascism that's coming from the fucking liberals

none of those dumbas some of those chapel people are involved in it

they don't see what's coming they don't see what's falking going on

i tell the man the people do't fucking know about it

some of these lafters don't know about it

nobody focking knows

i'm the only one raising the alarm bells

nobody fucking knows

thank you a such

yeah

the old right

the alt right has culminated

in liberalism

what do we call this

read it liberalism that's the culmination of the alt right

you you you you know people were talking about that all right

in twenty sixteen

wash call you a fascist washist calling you a fascist in the sense that like

he is associating with me with all those anti establishment

right right wing people who think independently right

but when you talk about historical fascism

which is militarization

plus western

abstract universal globalism and all this kind of shit the british empire the open society the institutionalized society weaponizing itself while at the same time maintaining the veneer of complete metaphysical domination we are looking at the revival of fascism the great reset agenda of the dabos agenda is going to be

it's going to get its popular support through war

you think carl schwab is a fucking idiot you think dabos are stupid you think bill gates are stupid you think these people are fucking stupid they know they're fucking doing

plement their agenda by reving the population into a frenzy to become popular

right under the people's noses they're going to fucking blug this that's what they did in germany and italy too right under the noses of the population hile they're focused on hating russia and supporting ukraine they're going to implement their sweeping great reset dabos agenda and nobody fucking cares

nobody fuckon cares

floppa liberation

i wish trump was going to save us from this

i'm telling you i wish that was true

it's not you mager people

i'm not going to fuck and lie to you

if trump was our saviour temper if i thought there was even

a one per cent possibility

that trump is going to be able to resist this and fight this

i'll be behind it too

but he is not

he's not fucking aware of what's going on

mabra is not woke about this they haven't awoken to this fucking problem and they have severely misunderestimated the extent of the deep state liberal agenda

you've severely under it it's going to be vicious be you're going to have a combination of the alth rights edginess and kind of like edgy viciousness

plus

liberalism's institutional backing and support now imagine that deadly combination

imagine those things combined imagine this anti human vicious like

basement dwellers who just are sadistic scum

sadistic sadism this fucking brutality that people used to associate with the all right that's going to get

see look these institutions they're going to let em loose

the're going to let em loose these laftists these blaptists are wad you ever watch the movie the purge you ever watch that movie these institutions are going to let these people wild on you right these these liberals these progressives

oh they're going to enjoy it too they're going to go crazy

they're going to terrorize us

we're a movement away from the black shirts

wich jus is the moment await

but the black from these black shirts not really acting like black shirts these people with ukrainian emosies

in on their twitter on their twitter handles they're acting like black shirt fugs look at how the fucking

they try to de platform you they try to band you the threatening violence against us

in our conference next month

theyre engaging in thog like black shirt tactics

maight and that's just what it is or what it is

it's a revival of nazism

brown shirts the liberal brown shirts are here

it's not just antifa

the liberal brown shirts are here

and russians are being attacked everywhere in germany they're attacking russian on shops in the u s even they're attacking russian on shops in los angeles and new york

and there's a remilitarization no one talks about how fascism is about war it's about war and it's always been about war

and you're seeing a remilitarization of germany let's not make the same mistake guys

we've been through this before

and it's coming back fascism has returned and it's uglier than the older one

it's uglier than the one before i one has computers behind it

this one is much uglier than the one before much much uglier

much much uglier

this is a fascionm with blue hair

in it's vicious these are vicious sadistic scum

and do not ever get the impression these are not ruthless killers because they are

these liberals don't value human life

they don't care

they don't give a fuck look at what they're saying on social media they don't give a fuck

you know you want to know how many of

my myself and my colleagues you all know what these liberals say in our di ms these progressive liberals they threaten rape

they threaten torture they threaten killing

it's unfuckingblievable the kind of shit they say

it's on far unbelievable

you wouldn't believe it

these are the most vicious scum

you can imagine

these people don't believe in anything

anything goes anything goes they don't care anything goes

this is a new fascist terrorism the globalist agenda the dabos agenda are going to inflict on us

who do you say is similar today as those thinkers

that's why i'm saying this one's worse it doesn't even have thinkers

i would say 'am

cal popper is goninga be big

carl popper

it's a fog and nightmare

this is a nightmare

should we despair

should we despair now

no

we're not going to despair we're going to fight

we're going to fight

we're going to fight and we're going to resist this

we're going to fight this and we're going to resist this we're going to take back our communist party and we're going to use this to build a platform a movement of millions and millions of people and we're going to fuck and resist this

that's what i'm telling you

are we going to rll over and just let this happen are we going to over and let this happen

we're in the moment this is the moment

this is the moment

this is the moment

this establishment is rotting and it's dying

and is trying to take us all down with it

and we're not going to let it

we're not goning to falkon let it

these are sick twisted evil fucking people

you guys don't know the evil

of the cia in our deep state you don't know the type of evil shit they do you don't know anything about it do you

you don't know how they traffic children you don't know the signals that were going from the pentagon to thailand

for child trafficking you don't know about all that stuff do you

you don't

these are sick sick focking people sick balking people

there is no human nothing you have to understand

this is a spiritual war beyond the threshold

beyond the threshold even of consciousness it's falking a transcendent astral war

you will be falking blinded with trauma if you understand the funck and battlefield this is being waged on

of course ukraine is the hub of child trafficking in europe

the russians are resisting

the russians are resisting

and they're pointing the way for us the russians are resisting

the chinese are going to resist it

the iranians are resisting it

the syrians are resisting it the venezuelans are resisting it

all around the world people are resisting this

the canadian truckers are resisting it

i don't know what to tell you except this is the d times

i've been an atheist for so long

hold on deylons take

this is an evil fucking person by the way

i want you to understand that

i want you to understand

that i understand i've always understood this by the way and i've always regarded this as an evil person not just saying they're a bad person i not just saying they're stupid

am i just saying they're ah

theyir ill informed

not just saying they're dishonest i'm tell you this is an evil falckin person

this person is an evil person

a sick and evil person

a sick very very sick sick evil person

understand

and there's a lot

there's a lot like that

said the azov is dumb he said he's sending weapons to ukraine and azov is fine

couple thousand nazis can take over ukraine

this person is government

ok

and there's a lot of darkness that comes from there there's a lot of darkness a lot of darkness that comes from these institutions that institutionalize people to be their agents there's so much fucking darkness you would not fuck and believe

you were not falkon believe the darkness

and the evil and just the neholism even if you say it's not evil it's neholistic even if you say that dillonuy he's not evil

he's niholistic it's a niholiism

it's a total complete needlism

zero consistency of anything except serving the agenda

kayla the proof is this

no one independently arrives at the conclusion

of carrying water for the state department's agenda no independent creator is just going to come out of here and be like oh yeah i'm aligned with the interests of the state department and i'm just going to say whatever the mainstream establishment says

those people command

agreement

yourough power not through truth

not through truth

stand with putin is trending i stand with putin

i stand with putin

i stand with putin

i want you to understand that there's a deep deep

nehlist ideology that underpins all this these people think that there's no meaning in the world that everything's just meaningless

everything for them is meaningless

and even their pagmatism even their paganism is pragmatic even their paganism is pragmatic they worship these

gods

not because they believe in them or they have

find meaning in these gods or that they love these gods

but because they get something from it for some reason it works right that's the buckin scary part of this guyse

doc

we'm goinga fucking sound insan right now aren't i

i'm going to tell you what i fucking know for a fact

it works

this paganism somehow it works

when they worship these fucking gods and they do these occult practices

it actually works

make of that which you falcon will

i've been an atheist for so

falking long

and the only thing that has inspired me

with recognizing

what god is

it's because as an atheist

i've seen

that the devil is at large

call it whatever the fulk you want

there is a metaphysical evil that is at the root of this

and you can call it whatever the fuck you want

but when i compare it to the books it sounds a lot like like that devil they were worsp they were worrying

they were warning us about

sounds a lot like that devil they were warning us about in the past

you can call it whatever the fuck you want but

it's real

that evil is real

of course himler had an obsession with paganism the revival of paganism is not a coincidence it's not

it's absolutely not

thank you stlimbverstone appreciate you

i'm just here to warn you guys

this is going to take a lot of willpower and resistance on your part in the coming months

it's going to take a lot of willpower and a lot of resistance but

the misinformation in lying is so fucking rampant that it drives me crazy and i've always known about this

when i see in real time how they lie how they distort

how they misinformed

it's so much energy and effort to have to sound the alarm bells and it sometimes it feels like it's vain

it feels like it's facllking vain

they're lying about ukraine they've been lying about ukraine they're lying about all these events they're misreporting all of it bold face and they don't fucking care

y don'tle fokon care

by asking her what she's seeing right now on the streets of the capital

what am i seen i'm seening dead children

you know this medeor shi was just supposed to be a layer on top of our lives

our ordinary lives

it has penetrated our souls

it is all encompassing mental control all encompassing mental domination they replaced religion

with

marvel they replac the bible with disney

it's all encompassing total spiritual domination and control

of the human mind and there's no room no room whatsoever

for any type of real faith in anything real

i'm hospitals being bombed churches being bombed it's difficult i don't know what to tell you what am i seening i'm seeing my people die i'm seeing all sorts of horrible things

now

since we have not seen evidence

i just i want yous to read the body language when she talks right

we're just speculating maybe she's right maybe she's not

but let's look at this body language

what am i seeing i'm seeing dead children i'm seeing hospitals being bombed

does this look like someone who's telling the truth is this what

is this what it looks like when someone's being genuine and authentic

in telling the truth

church is being bombed it's difficult i don't know what to tell you what am i seening i'm seeing my people die

does this sound like truth

i don't know if you had to since we don't have the evidence and we're just going off her word

if you were playing that game

is that game l noir and you have to read to see if the suspect is lying or not you're an f b i agent interrogating

a criminal

and you're interrogating them

what button are you pressing are you pressing a

for believe or you pressing x to doubt

all sorts of horrible things i studied crimes against humanity at the university i started international humanitarian butlaw i never thought i would see you

we me do a little research actually

tught

ah

very interesting

tata mar haran is the project manager of the kiv school of economics

let's see

she was also the deputy national administrator of the international law students association

she was a corporate lawyer for sod legal she was a trainee for d l a piper

and she conducted in depth analysis of ukrainian and e u legislation draft laws case laws and ukrainian courts

a she was an intern for the constitutional court of ukraine

she was a deputy officer for the department of

foreign affairs for the liberal democratic league of ukraine

she was a volunteer for the ukrainian legion

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soundstra all i did was google her name by the way all i literally did was google her name that's all i

in for ate tankey

that's all i did thank you atto barn that's all i fucking did is just google her name

it's all i had to do

this with my own eyes in my pissl country so ya i'm als but what i'm seeing day away from the great khan has the invincible thank you red precarian appreciate you it's horrible it's horrible to imagine we've seen the images too do you feel like you can make a difference

look at the rabbit hatred in his eyes

the aggression is just that aggression

that aggression they have

it's that aggression

these are aggressive people by the way

these are very very aggressive people

very very aggressive right

oh yeah look at his eyes

i do feel so

look how he stays i've never been

look this person

has an agenda

or happy to be ukrainian i've never been more likely to be born in this country we all are uniting we are all are consolidating and one person maybe is powerless to make a difference but trust me we're not one there are a lot of people fighting how dod it feel to be fucking stupid based on what

based on fuck what how do they fuck and stupid enough to listen to this shit and believe it

you fuckin dumb ass

get out of my fucking chat

here back to back so yeah we do we do have hope i do want to ask you we have seen and i've been told by my own sources in the u s that russia is not just accidentally hitting civilians but perhaps intentionally and i wonder if you see that based on the kinds of people

based on what

why would russia do that

why this is just outright lying why would russia intentionally target civilians why

what what do they gain from that

what funck do they gain from that

it doesn't even make sense there's no evidence for it he even he said there's no evidence for it

you just said perhaps

and are you seeing it he's asking his government agent if she sees it

you're treating it's not accidental

whatso ever this is just so ridiculous my parentce my family

what do you mean it's not accidental

why wouldn't it be fucking accidental what's the fucking reason

oh she's not a lying guy she's telling the truth

i'm just telling you right now she's lying by the way

i'm telling you right now she's lying

that's a focky lie

i stand with putin

not only but ok here we have read it we have read it incarnate

vladimir putin is not only bad

here we have read it till n

we have read it incarnate

vladimir putin is not only bad but also wrong

metaphysical evil is larp

people larges dumpucks in every century ascribing it to spiritual causes is larp and lack of character

strong men can oppose the reason

real weak men can only oppose to appeals to god or feelings i will join the call to defend this i will take any d m to defend the get in my pucket

this is read it this is the incarnation of read it

this is the incarnation of redit

this is the incarnation of the nihilistic reded paganism i was talking about

so go ahead and get my fuck in d c

this is the fucking on nihilistic paganism i was talking about

it's just larp man i made an ars latch

don't care thread we're i'm just i'm just talking our slash l s

our slash psychedelics i go on our slash psychedelics

and come on man our slast psychedelics nothing matters everything's meaningless nothing matters

ours last psychedelics

ur slash niilist

our slast atheism

buk and read it

o don't w't to talk about reason let's talk about reason

science despite loading its role in declaring that europe needs strategic autonomy that's just like your opinion man

they buck and got our society

addicted to pot high off pot

they fuck and forget about their own soul

that's just like your opinion man and that's fuckin satan that's the fuckin devil talkin by the way

and you think oh it doesn't matter right they don't realize how evil it is they don't realize that their nkneed deep in evil they actually think oh it don't matter man it's just like

your opinion

and they don't fecky know it's evil

they don't fucking know it's evil

that's the crazy shit

they don't fuckon nor its evil

that's a little part of your brain that little worm of doubt whether you care

that's what makes us human

and when you're a falk in potthead you're just a readler

ah who cares ma

you're not reaching out for it

and defining yourself as a fuck a human being

you're leting your humanity go

and you're submitting yourself to the devil

then ukraine under president yanukovch simply decided to take a short pause before signing the association agreement with the eu

because it contradicted the already existing free trade area agreement in the commonwealth of independent states

and when that happened the maiden protests were orchestrated from brussels

they did it because yanukovych realized that it was necessary to harmonize trade with russia

the commonwealth of independent states in europe

that was the only reason

the protests turned into a violent conflict in february twenty fourtheen

you new coat

o was willing to stop this and he signed the agreement on the settlement of the political crisis in ukraine

promising that he would organize an early election which he would not have won

poland france and germany were the guarantors of that agreement

after the opposition staged a coup and trimpled over these agreements the guarantors just stayed silent didn't say anything

or even welcome these puches taking power

yet russia restricting western news is hiding the truth

but the west restricting russian media is banning propaganda and misinformation

know why can't we just argue and debunk the so called lies

this is her group she's ci i know she's fucking cia

aw man

it's so fuckin

it's so exhausting

you know it's so it's so exhausting

president zelenski came to power under the banner of peace

promising to save the lives of both ukrainians and russians

at the end of the day however he succumbed to the same anti russian sentiment as the poorosha i don't mean anything to prove this guy's an idiot just watch a stream for two minutes then you're a blofer you have b the buck out of my chat

falk in blughing and coping

i don't need anything to prove it

get the fuck out of here you fucking read it idiot

nobody fucking needs you mother fucker and i'm rising fuck rapidly by the way so people are rapidly rapidly going to be a problem for you this phenomena is going to be a problem in your life

sep say twenty thirty six it's going to be a problem in your buckin life just like how trump was a problem in your bucking life

and you're going to bink about it on your fuck and read it just like you binks about putin right

sjenko government before him

he referred to the people of the donbas as animals just like prime minister yatsinyuk under poroshenko who called them non humans

we saw him stand idly by as a bloody war continued against his own people

he essentially lied to everyone when he promised to bring back order

when he signed that one guy's in v c

where

were

no one's in fucon v c

who's in v c

w isn we c

nobody's in v c what are you fucking talking about

what are you talking about

wh isn we c

for eight years we've been appealing to the collectmens

we saw him

he's in small chat

noise

no he' is not

here he is

what

raise your fuck in volume

my input volume is currently matched

only fun

you don't hear me

all right so you're a satanist nihilist edtor right

i barely use reredit i don't think i'm aan nihiolist and i certainly don't worship satan

oh you do use read it you do use read it

i look at funny cat pictures sometimes

read it is great you sound like a rick and morty watcher

helly let's talk about pickles if you want to talk about pickles

then you're apot hit

no i've never actually gotten high in my life off of marijuana

but you watched rick and morty

ive seen enough wrick and morny meams to know that pickles are important

ok

so according to you

right we should just use reason right

i'm a big fan of reason i will say ok what is reason

what is the reason

that's something that's puzzle philosophers for

millions of thousands of years that we have recorded

o how can how can reason ground itself in reason

that's that's a nonsensical statement i mean how can so where reason i from fact so where does reason come from

reason comes from a collective understanding of large groups of people i don't think there's any objective reality we arrive at it through consay that's paganism right there's multiple different objective real there's not one objective reality multile reality that hasing to do with yah it's pagan don't worry don't worry because you don't know the occult stuff behind these views you have

but i do so yeah that's paganism

so it's ok

so well whether or not pagans agree with me is nothing that's a metahs i pagans are it is me it is literally metaphysical paganism

yy anyway it's not yes it is it's literally you know it's not yes it is

no it's not no it's not why not

no it's not why not

why isn't it paganism

why isn't what paganism

why isn't the view that there are multiple different

truths and there's not one objective truth

why isn't that pagan

simply because i believe in god

i believe in the christian god i'm a christian

you're a christian

i'm a christian i'm a confirmed roman catholic

so how can you make appeals to reason pure reason

i can't make appeals to pure reason but i can make appeals to reason ok so domain of god which we will never know

ok so according to you you're a christian

i'm a roman catholic and there's no metaphysical evil

there is metaphysical evil butcaus we can never know it

we can never know metaphysical evil we can never have because we a never smell the stench of satan and the stench of sulfur from our own heart and from our own intuition

we can make assumptions but we are about humans we know not

we don't have intuitions about what evil is from our gut oh we absolutely can have intuitions but that has nothing to do with what is true evil that is the domain of god

what do you mean true evil you mean fucking airtight scientific certainty

n i mean metaphysical evil the domain of god

so you're calling god the mete so you're elusifarian

n i believe that you likenostic heretic basically saying ok you're basically saying you're basically saying it a p'sick saying it turns out the god you worship is actually looses no god is absolute good and there is absolute evil but

only god can define that

we as humans know but a piece of the divine picture

what's your point

so we can't have any relation to my point

we can't have any sense or intuition or knowledge of evil

i think that we can that we can make assumptions so when the pentagon when the pentagon is trafficking children in thailand the gut feeling we have that that comes from a real evil

yeah we can't know that because that could just be our subjective feeling right

we can have we can have very strong feelings that trafficking children is wrong

but it's not it's not because it's metaphysically evil

do you admit that god has a plan for us

yeah

so how can you say then that the plan that god has does not include this

how do you know you're saying god's plan includes the pentagon trafficking children in thailand

god's plan involves evil yes

yeah i think you pagan i don't know if this is this i don't know i' making a bad case for catholicism in front of me because this is literal taganis problem this is the problem of this is literal paganim this is literal paganism you're literally trying to say that you'rely trying to say what you're trying to say is that what we experience is evil isn't actually evil it's just a result of our human finitude and it's actually at god's plan yeh it's paganism

paganst wagans ascribed yeah this can eight the apple

was that paganism

or was that not god's plan

that what is eve even eating the apple was disobeying god but that's not on the level of traffic children in thailandal evil has it is the beginning

it is the initial evil

eve eating the apple is the it's the beginning of human evil yes and it was god's plan

that's aking misinterpretation god knew gus is nosticy god knew it is not

this isnostic paganis just like written in the bible that god knows everything and that eve ate the apple yeah but guess what yeah yeah yeah but guess what

it is bucking point

is that

we it isn't come

don't pain that doesn't mean godying the word of god has you are denying it you know you're fucking taking it out of context metap i am reading it in the context medict which case

prove it

would you like me to read genesis to you on stream we know that god is all knowing but that doesn't fucking prove that god it's god's plan to have children being ts to god is the most powerful being in the universe and he knows all ting away you're taking away all morality from it so no wy is it not god's plan for us to extinguish and eliminate that evil morality and god's plan are two different

things has there are two different things talking about the not t different things things will not be part of god's plan and how could oll will not be part of god's plan it is ok is or so what is morality what is morality

morality is a construction by humans no it's fut not you not ator there are commandments by god

and those are laws you're saying morality comes from humans do fucking doesn't it comes from god every christian knows it come frombsly does there are lot of fth the christian there are laws from god which we lire you're a fraud that's nothing to do with morality yes it f does morality is a from god to do with morality you should know this

the law of god is simply the law of god and the morale sense of right and wrong comes from god

no our sense of right are not a pst its literally slf all in human nature has

we're fallen

our so our sense of right and wrong it comes from our all in human nature yes this know is the word of god

we are yet you are a pagan you're a fuckyregan halan

there's nothing pagan about yet in our sense of wrong is what's reminding us of our fall in this and our sense of right is b us back on the path to god no no yes we're extrapolating

we are simply fallen and therefore there is no way to know so what is the object of morality is the obvious of morality divine in nature or any money get a word in edgewise you're just talking over me because you're angry and i get that

sinners are often angry

ok but but but

morality is a human construction you're jo biden catholic you're joe biden catholic i don't i don't have a thing to do with joe biden you're joe biden catholic i even vote for him

but that's what you are you're a ded fake catholic

who paganism just i'm hay with catholicism

is jobian even cath because you're literally sitting here you're sitting here as a so called catholic christian telling me

that morality is not divine in origin

it is not there is the divine law and there is the morality that humans have constructed

based on no you're saying guman intuition of right and wrong is based

not in from god it's just based on our fall in nature is human it is based in humanity yes human human th sad our fall in nature

yes and it's completely the distinction the distinction you're making between human and god

where where there's man made

you know man enou havegh time to make fll point you don't make your first p i din' you i din't wever you want sure

i'll make my full point my full point is this

there are laws from god

and there is human interpretation

of those laws which is morality

and those two things my own separate that's i think somemes there are times

when the human conception of morality aligns with god ethics and youre time that's ethics it's not morality

god's laws that's not morality that's not morality morality is literally based on intuition ethics is based on knowledge

you're fucking don't even know what you're talking about there's no knowledge

has there's not you can't conceive knowledge is about ethics ok morality is about our sense of right and wrong

god transcends humanity there is no knowledge to be had said knowledge we're talking about in knowledge you ha said knowledge

i'm talking about intuitive knowledge not conscious knowledge what is the difference i'm so the differences the some people on switch that debate about it but mostus know that trafficking children in thailand is wrong from our gut not our head

we don't debate about it philosophically i agree the trafficking children it's that comes from our guts that comes from our human gut that it does come from our gut

ok and you're saying that got isn't from god that god gave us that but that's from our fall in human nature

correct and it made align with god

but it's just the coincidence of it does but that's just the coincidence of it does right know it for sure maybe it's not a coincidence maybe god intended for us to have that knowledge

or that gt i literally you literly you're not the reason you're not a christian is because you're telling me that morality is all manmade and not divine

no this is absolutely written in the bible

oky show me

show you the exact section where it says that yeah it's not godd that's written arout the bible hi i didn't ask you where man is not god i asked you where it says

i asked you it says morality is not divine in origin but only man made verse reinforces this has every verse reinforces so every pers in the bible says moy is man made it doesn't come from god

the knowledge of what is truly right and wrong can come from god and man is incapable knowledge you're talking about conscious conceptual knowledge that comes from fucking enlightenment i'm talking about morality only thing i can talk about is no you it's not because the fucking medieval schoolastics didn't talk about that all christian sant talk

but that the christian

the oligons didn't talk about that before the enlightenment

so no that's not the only type of fucky knowledge if you want to talk about scholarly writings on the bible that's fine but we must admit

that those scholarly writings come from not god but man

and so that's not the point that's not the point well it is point because not going to me the point you want to make the point has that these writings

you scholarly writings are somehowo it's not i'm telling you the distinction between consensual knowledge from the enlight toment and other types of knowledge now that's for the question i brather morality is man made or divide i says the fuk fucking mouth shut your fucking mouth stot the fuck up when i fuck and speak mother fucker i did not fuck and say

that morality has its origins in the fucking writings i said morality comes from ourt given to us by god i beve reference the fucking scholarly writings is that making the point that christian theologans made a distinction

from the enlightenment notion of conceptual knowledge

and that's not the only type of knowledge you can falk and talk about you can talk about intuitive forms of knowledge and talk about other forms of knowledge the scholarly writings are immaterial as far as

the type of knowledge which is intuitive knowledge that i'm fucking talk a'm not talking about fucking writings i talk abo butt the fucking gut feeling we get when we see something is wrong and we know it's wrong in our gut that comes from god if you don't think that comes from god you are a pagan not a fucking christian it's that fucking simple

rereth that the feelx he's still talking he was talking the whole time

and no one could hear i didn't hear you no one could hear you you a mean i agree that the feelings we feel in our gut are given by god however you can knowow you're finally agreeing

now you're finally wondering what you were the one his who brought in the scholars from the medieval period i didn't talk about them

i don't know why i brought them up it has nothing to do with the point now you're agreeing that the feeling does not import so the question i'm meing you is not a shut up i'm youeting you again so

does our feeling come from

are fall in human nature or from god

what

it is both our fallen human nature comes from god god is the projitor

so our morality is divine

no

one

why not why no

our morality is not the same as god's conception of morality no one said that i said our sense of right and wrong is given from god

no

how how no this is perhaps it's like it's like this it's like that thing from spon is this your i d yes it's my id you go through the whole thing

it's okay so this is your i d no it's not my id

what the fact do you mean no

i understand that religious concepts are difficult to grasp they're heady

they're heady in their abstract

but there's a difference here

there's a distinct difference between

god prescribing

our moral precepts

that we have there is a natural allowing us to fall let me finish pscriptive descriptive law

is not it

the only source of divine morality

it is god n it's not because god also gives us a natural and innate type of intuitive knowledge of right and wrong question of free will we can engage with this is the question of free will

if god believes that murder is wrong why does he give me the power to murder

the answer is

because it is necessary

for the redemption of my soul

to choose not to sin

yeat that's not the fucking point the we're talking about no it's not it no it's not true morality is not only coming from prescriptive laws it's also innate and natural morality is there is the christian law from god

and there is the free will that he gives you are reducing what you are you are reducing divine morality to prescriptive divine law which is on christian and pagan that's pagan that means you are reifying these fucking laws as pagan deities in and of themselves the law is not as important as the source

this source is more vital and alive than the fucking lot

whorce is god

pray yes

and the object of moraliity is based on divine divine will

we strive to be godlike and christlike absolutely no we strive to be

in we strive to be in command in in tune

with the path god set out for us

yes and ok and that's based on our guts

no it is based on the pa know what i don't care about i don't care about this fucking pedal shit the fucking catholic church is a pedal problem and i think i know why now

they don't even have

plain meat and potatoes i just band them out of the server they don't even have plain meat and potatoes right and wrong

right and wrong based on divine morality he says well 's intellectualized not i wantuking intellectualize it about it

president zelenski came to power under the banner of peace

promising to save the lives of both ukrainians and russians are the wrong about being christ like is not relevant

i literally try to ask this galk morality comes from god not it's not just a manmde construct

like red it says and it's not just subjective and he says well no onday i don't want to deal with it ok there's a pedal problem in the catholic church that's all i got to say

at the end of the day how now i think i know what

he succumbed to the same anti russian sentiment as the poroshenko government before him

he referred to the people of the donbas as animals just like prime minister yatsunyuk under poroshenko who called them non human the lan burnsviewer

not surprising

we saw him stand iy member the devil disguises himself as religion remember how the devil disguises himself as religion

the devil always will disguise himself as a christian or a muslim or some shit like that

the devil's never going to fucking disguise himself

a purely as a satanist russia

lok at keat in ma mansfield this is why i'm a proud falkon american

this is why i'm a proud falkon american

i'm a proud american

because he can just do this shit

and we can do that we're the last bastion of resistance this is the last bashion of resistance in the west if you did this in germany they would probably

you know they would probably you know

kill you or something you know

victory to russia

victory to russia

good

a right

bys a bloody war continued against his own people

he essentially lied to everyone when he promised to bring back order

when he signed countless deals with donbas's representatives and then violated those agreements without batting an eye

the uni this is barbarism europe's becoming a barbarian continent i'm literal it's literally surreal

this is like some al this is like some al qaeda shit this is like isis

the university of milan

bn do stoyevski

you're up band

do stoyevski

literal isis

level psychosis

oh my funky god this isis it's little isis they ban ft dol sttoyevski what what is ha do with putin

yeah thins are bad we're banning russia

there's no apology

the professor who sounded the alarm on this isk imagine this is you know what you know what you know i don't see i don't see i don't see i don't see

i don't know what to say

i don't want to say

i don't not to say but

yeah i don't know what to say i mean this is what i gotta say you know

this is it this is literally it i'm speechless i'm just speechless imagine literally being in the university of milan and the teachers and staff are getting together and students are getting together and their

saying in response to what russia's doing in ukraine we'd to ban go stoyevski and they're liked a tenm fraid pasta have ski everything

russian is a bad sty have ski so put modio arod uso why do you want to we no way the chikoski's banned from spotifi that's a joke i don't believe that they're just banning everything russian

now for ref for record guys when nazi germany killed thirty million russians and the russians took berlin even during the war russian soldiers like evo di theankov and many others and the russian status quo in the rt soviet state they p held the thinkers of germany the

german nation agl con beethoven bach they uphld them marx was a german right they uphld these people and celebrated them and honored them right and that was germany ill thirty million slaughtered people they rape their way the slaughtered so many russia's

people and russia still p held and cherish the cultural artifacts to humanity that germany contributed and you're in bucking milan italy and a russian never did a goddamn thing to you ever ever and you're a university you're the university of milan and you're bnding do stski and you

you even made that you even thought about banning those styevski

i people think i'm exaggerating russo phobia and anti russian

sentiment in europe now and that it's getting genocidal it's getting to the level of genocidal they're not even doing the thing with they're like all the russian people are aren't bad it's just the government they're saying all of russia' is bad and all of its history and its culture and its traditions are bad this is barbarism this is the revival of barbarism this is the

turn of barbarism

mmhmm

are we like the last sane civilized outpost in the world

he spreading miss info russian commanders leaking info to ukraine they hate putin our anti war bullshit it's just all bullshit

so much fucking lies going on it's madness it's madness

the reality let's see

so dylan burns shared some fake news today we're going to dispel it

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wow they're so evil aren't they these are evil russians right

i don't think people realize how much strong support russia has in latin america right now

believe it or not

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it's the same in the middle east and itt ops crazy as that thiss cut across the sunni shia divide

because you' got the saudis

you've got the lebanese you've got everyone in the middle east is just

so

yeah the middle east line america everyone's like really rooting putin on

really ruining for rooting for russia

it's pretty crazy

fep was banning all domestic teams y i know

i know

i stand with putin

i'm going to eat this as well

the indian left and right are united for russia the libs a

east and south asia to the whole worlds with russia

he is not perfect

am i going to say this

this is a breaking point

this is a breaking point

america and europe

are entering a new era of barbarism

and russia

has the honor of being the first

to resist

making the first move in a

go long

and

global war of resistance

against a dying empire

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i stand with putin

i stand with putin hashtag i stand with putin

hashtag i stand with putin

global politics on russia ukraine

call swab

the world economic forum and its chairmen have vowed to do their support for ukraine

vowing to whatever to help the country against russian aggression

in a statement on sunday schwab the author of cover nineteen the great reset

and w f president borg said they are deeply condemned

zelenski called for western investors to become the stakeholders

sex for a new ukraine

and said ukraine is a place where miracles come true

to become an investment maker

entirely new foundations for our economic and social systems and a reset of capitalism in response to covi nineteen

we've been appealing to the collective conscience of the west while desperately trying to reason with zelenski's government

which has developed all the hallmarks of an ultra radical neo nazi regime

and the west failed to stop it

honestly i don't even think the west was trying to stop it because of the west

ukraine has always been a tool to contain russia even before twoentousy fourteen

that's true a lot of people don't know this but the ukrainian government that got overthrown

in my on

that was not

they always used to clasch

actually not a lot of people know this

but they used to clash heavy actually

this entire situation has come about because the west refused to recognize that russia has equal rights in constructing the european security architecture

this is also supported by the reaction of leading nato countries the united states in particular

to the initiatives put forward by president putin last december

back then he talked about the need to act in good faith and honor one's agreements

more specifically he was referring to the idea of anyu country

even when it chooses to join a military alliance must never pursue any policy that would infringe on the security of any other country

that was a commitment approved and signed by the presidents and heads of government of all oscee countries and it is also enshrined in nato russia council documents

the west has flat out refused to comply with this principle

then we heard president zelenski say that if russia continues pushing ukraine to fulfil some of its obligations

he would consider the option of ukraine restarting its nuclear weapons program so the me keep in mind these are obligations ukraine agreed to and signed the minsk agreements that's what he's talking about

classchical artists are calling for spotify this decide between them and pro

or surgate

it's not real is that

that was a step too far

techniques they have the capabilities in terms of technology and equipment

president putin spoke about this and so did our experts

but i can assure you we won't let them

it's astonishing to hear what european and especially german politicians are saying now about their duty

take germany

my counterpart ms bir bick said as quoted by various media outlets

that germany simply had to supply ukraine with weapons considering its historical responsibility

what does that mean does germany recognize it as its duty and historical responsibility to support neo nazis

that's a strange connection there

and ursula von derleyen said that today the eu and ukraine are closer than ever

meaning what

i guess it means that if you're a russo foe

a fascist or a neo nazi

you're free to do anything you want

this is the reaction to russia restoring justice in ukraine

but has there been anything remotely like this when hundreds of thousands of iraqis libyans and syrians were dying at the handoing

because i remember it

no russia's china is not against russia no nothing even close to that

but i remember this

now i want youy to understand

i come from a middle eastern family

and to me that's human right i come from a middle eastern family so that's human to me right

so when i heard news of all the people dying in iraq

and being killed

i felt like that that was like human to me like those were that could be me that could be my family that could be my relatives

that could be you know my that could be what i consider human right

m

destanys tweeting bullshit about me

but the truth is nobody gave a fuck

nobody gave a fuck and liberal the only thing liberals do they kind of make fun of george bush a little bit

but they were joking and dancing about it you know

nobody gave a fuck

literally no one cared

all right what is destiny want he is trying to throw me off the debate for to morrow

what is he doing

where does this come from

but anyway

destiny shared a really funny mean

said there is a ukrainian sources there is currently a russian fighter wider than he is tall

accosting ukrainian women

they're only trying to spread something called two hoold theory

and he's being called the kremlins goblin

that's so funny dude

that's really funny

you know destiny's my orbiter he's basically like my little bitch he's like my orbiter

also destiny has this name

where he's like oh has is the guy who wll casswimen

like i es a go at the gym has you like hit on women at the gym instead

what fuck are you talking about dude

what dore you fucking talking about we you think i fucking bother women in public or some shit or i bother women at all i don't

i don't

he's a fucking orbiter and he's doing this shit because he's scared of the fucking debate tomorrow

okay you know what

i have to tell you guys something about destiny

let me just i held back a lot i've held back a lot

for a long time

but this is what i have to say

destiny's a fucking betamill

and he's in an open relationship which means other men are allowed to sleep with his girlfriend

that means destiny will literally be sitting down playing video games

while his girlfriend is being

with another man

he's literally on his computer playing video games and his girlfriend is with another man

and he sees no problem with that

the reason i'm so soft on destiny guyse is because

he is self evidently

a joke

all you literally have to say is that

and he's completely discredited

mean he has no stature he has nothing he has no stature

he has no he has no honor he has nothing what could i take from destiny

that he hasn't already taken from himself

what does he have

waitness besany called me short when i'm literally like

probably taller than him

when you actually adjust for that camera you can see like i'm actually probably a little taller than him

and he called me short

how can he call me focking short

when i it's probably that i'm tller

call me short on the podcast oh yeah

gay

can i justy i think all i have to say is that destiny's a thirty two year old man

who plays league of legends

do i have to say

destinyes a thirty two year old man who plays league of legends

do i have to say that

destiny is a thirty two year old man who plays league of legends

wow

he is his girlfriend

is with other men

and he pretends like he doesn't care

he pretends like he doesn't care

and his wife

i should correct myself his wife

now he pretends he doesn't care

but you know he's hurt by it you know he's getting hurt by it and his

every man you know he' something inside of him is being hurt when that happens and he's rerepresses it

preten he doesn't care

his own wife

with another man

in an open relationship

doesn't bother him

you want to know why i don't go oart on destiny well this is why

what can i say that's not self evident

what can i say that's not self evident

a

what could i take from destiny that's my question what could i actually take from him

the only thing i could take from destiny

is luck when it comes to people like destiny

these people tend to rely on their intellectual capabilities right their intellectual capabilities i can be complete loser in every other aspect of my life

but as long as i am a smart nerd that's enough

so the only thing i could take from him is proving that he's like

doesn't know shit about anything he's a shitty debater

and he had he like he likelas basic rudimentary knowledge about a lot of things and i've done that pretty successfully like

over a dozen times

so like what else could i take from it

what else could i take from him

thank you casmre

what else could i take from him now

i don't want to have to go here

but this is the cherry on top

this is really the cherry on top

going here

you guys ever notice how destiny acts

when you mention the h word

by the age word i'm talking about

assonm

it must be tough

considering that you nurtured hassan as your orbiter

for so long

and by the time they got into their little dispute they were about equal size in terms of clout and twitch numbers now hassan ranks the thirtieth biggest streamer on twitch and destiny well destiny's just about a thousand ranks behind him

destiny was so infuriated about hassan being so much wrong

so much more wrong and so much more dumb than he is

and destiny being so much more correct and yet destiny couldn't help but try away

his eyes

from those numbers that hassan was getting

exploding in size and in growth

and he couldn't do a fucking thing about it

destiny could not do a thing about it and every time

you hear

every time you hear hassan being mentioned you can just see ststiny kind of get a little uneasy

and you can kind of see how he's seeving internally a lot about this whole hassan thing

and the reason is very simple

destiny is not a good streamer he's not a successful streamer

all of his clout

simply comes from the inertia the fact that he's been here for so long the fact that he was the first political twitchtreamer

in general he's not a good streamer he doesn't produce good content

he doesn't know how to make content he's been here

mean her son

has been here for like one tenth of the time that destiny has been here

and ha son literally just blew him out of the water

passed him by like nothing

and

the reason for that is that hassan is literally better at covering politics than destiny is

objectively i mean that can be measured objectively

and it really bothers destiny

it really bothers him

it really fucking bothers him

and by the way this is a thirty two year old man

just keep that in mind

this is a thirty two year old man

and you know it's just one of those things where this is a person who has

you know i'm playing eldenring a lot and that's a game where you like you buff some stats at the extense of others he buffed his

his destiny has created his entire epigenetic

physical self

right

around playing legal legends his whole body and mind

and face and everything everything is optimized

to play legeal of legends in the best way

he knows that's not a fulfilling way to live life

but he copes and pretends like this is genuinely what he likes to do cacuse he has no choice i mean he's way past puberty right so he's not going to change any time soon but he's thirty two he made the decision

to

stat max what do you call that when you max your stat he made a decision to buff

playing league of legends at the expense of everything he's stuck with it now

that's the only fulfillment he's ever going to get in his fulking life because he will never develop the skill to be good at anything else

even his ability to debate is an extension

of the react times and all that kind of shit he optimized his entire body

we're playing leagal legends

and that is the only thing he exists on this earth for and without league of legends what is left of destiny

nothing he wasted his entire life

his entire

physical self even the way he's grown right physically

and the way destinyes grown physically is actually quite interesting because

i dodn't want to have to talk about this but i am going to talk about this now

now imagine you have we're going to go to microsoft paint so i can visualize this for you

now imagine you have a child right imagine youve just got a child and they look like this and right here right

and they have their child like proportions right here child like proportions

and

there they are

so

whatever happened in his life i don't know

right

but the way destiny and the way he's actually made decisions in his life has decided to grow

' is basically

this right all that happened was that his torso got slightly bigger

but their proportions remain exactly the same except for his

his torso

everything else is literally the same

right

so this is what destiny actually looks like

now you can say haes you are around the same height as destiny

and that's true i am around the same height as destiny

except i have the proportions of a fully grown adult

i don't just have a log torso

right i have

pretty well rounded proportions the ones of an adult

this is literally what destiny is

he literally has the same proportions he had when he was eleven years old

weor twelve years old

but his torso just got slightly taller

he's just as narrow as he was as a child he has the same amount of proportions and limbs that he used to

and again there's nothing wrong with it this is just an impartial observation

in case anyone wants to misconstrue this

but

if you were taller you would have said it self reports

i think i am slightly taller but by centimeters we're talking about centimeters ok i'm actually being charitable and generous to him

but

i don't even think his fans can deny this right

and desin he's actually gotten used to being bullied by his own community

because he can't do anything about it right

he just kind of lowers his head in shame and says ah oka

you can't do anything because they don't even respect him

thisstnews community doesn't even respect him

they just kind of stalk him

to be attached to his personal life in some kind of way and it's that simple

but they just goint to stalk him

and that's it

so

this is what we have going on with that

and i'm sorry to tell you guys this but i

in case people thought it was weakness or i had nothing to say i mean

like it's pretty sad i think

i think it's pretty sad like

this is pretty sad to me you know

to see the difference between me and destiny

let's go back to this funny picture

i think the difference between me and destiny is that

i don't actually have to photo shop

anything

right

mean this is a a funny photoshoped

picture

were my i don't have legs right

but

in order to make fun of destiny i don't have to photosop him

i can just post a picture of what he looks like

and it's going to look like this

i don't have to photoshop anything it literally just looks like this right

now

besides maybe he's exceptionally good at league of legends

m

but i actually don't think that's true he's not as good as tyler one

so he is not the best

this is whats said

destiny's no more close to being the best at the thing he's dedicated his entire life to doing

just playing legal legends

i mean what can i say

what can i say i meanh i guess i should just

what can i say

he has a negative win rate

so the onlly thing that he dedicated his life to doing

he's actually not particularly good at anyway

so what is he good at he's not good at debating

oh he was a starcraft pro

i forgot that game even existed and all the people who dedicate their lives to video games is your question

he dedicated his life to starcraft i'm sorry it was starcraft not legal legends

so what came of that stockcraft thing did anything come of it what was the point

nothing

does anyone remember starcraft or care about it it was all pointless

now

i don't really care if that's the type of life you decide to go down but what's dangerous about destiny

is that he's insuch a nihlistic

ditch in his life

wre he realized the hohole

thing he dedicated his life to

turn out to be meaningless and pointless

he's trying to say that's for everything everything must be meaningless then right everything's read it everything's meaningless nothing matters

i think it's just you destiny

it's just you

it's actually just you

it's actually just you

um

and i don't have to photoshop this

right i don't have to photogoph this

i just don't

i don't have to photoshop anything right

the difference between me and people like destiny is that i don't

have to use any photoshop

he actually looks like this

that's just the truth

by the way that's just true

like that's just the truth i don't know what else to tell you

like what else should i say it's just the truth

is there any evidence that this is propaganda

that this propaganda is meant for anyone other than western editors no

it's not

is a video consol splitting america's will nato plans against russia the first foremin is gold

one minu in its intro

let's let's just finish this

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of the uus and their enlightened democratic allies who sent their troops to fight wars thousands of miles away from their own borders

so for the us a small vial and a claim that its a national security threat was enough to justify the iraq invasion

the u s and iraq the u s and libya or syria

they're so far away and yet the u s feels it has the right to do these things

no international bodies condemned these instances of groundless military aggression as a violation of international law

but look at the hysteria that started now as if on cue when it came to security threats to russia that exist right at our borders

got over we were ready for anything

i had no doubts that the e u and nato would obediently follow the s

especially when the future of nord stream two became clear

it is obvious that this project played a key part and it will go down in history as something that showed us the place of europe germany in the international

europe is completely dependent

anti fascists are joining a resistance coalition let me see

fighting is a coalition of different groups against the russian invasion

these are a literally fascist fighting alongside the azov battalion

you are anarchists it's pretty fucking crazy

take the

when in previous years the west imposed sanctions on arab or latin american countries they kept saying at least at the security council level

that these sanctions would not target regular people

that their goal was to hurt the government

so it would change its behavior under pressure from the international community

this time nobody is saying anything of this sort

contacts between people have been banned by the western countries

despite their previous rhetoric they said that there should be no obstacles to building relationships between civil societies

turns out that you don't care about the principles they dicate

give me a moment

mere a small on

ctated in the international arena

by the way they also demonstrated this when they began to freeze the assets of the central bank and private businesses

this is robbery they abandoned all the rules that they had been implementing in international life in the last seventy years

now they just crossed out these rules and went back to the golden russi era gangster capitalism

was we saw how angry and aggressive the west was promoting its ideas of stopping russia's influence

but we have friends and allies we have numerous partners in the international arena that

unlike europe and some other countries

they didn't lose their independence and ability to put their national interests first

they are also under colossal pressure

i know that the americans are now running all over the world through their ambassadors

forcing countries in africa latin america and asia to do something against russia

this should be beneath a great power like the usa

there is no dignity in such behavior

but we are used to it

you know we've seen this before when partners use shady tactics and methods

we will manage i am one hundred percent sure

prisident

president putin has said many times both in january and early february

that russia will not tolerate a model of european security that relies on nato as the dominant force

especially when it's right on our doorstep

we've repeatedly said that we want to find an alternative solution

a solution that would reliably address security concerns of ukraine the nations of europe and naturally russia

and that's the direction we should take

president zelenski said that he was interested in security guarantees for ukraine

i see this as a positive development

our negotiators are ready to discuss these guarantees at the second round of talks with ura

what we propose is an arrangement that will ensure the legitimate rights of all peoples living in ukraine

naturally that includes all ethnic minorities without exception

this ensures they will have equal rights

this new arrangement should of course be reflected in the legislation of ukraine

which now has a law on the three edter bandu

holy bok

so much for free speech

holy shit

so much for fuck and free speech

jesus

thanks for giving me the heads up about that platform

indigenous peoples as if the russians never existed in ukraine

things like these create a legislative framework for further anti russian policies

and it isn't only anti russian

this also concerns other ethnic and national minorities like hungarians romanians poles and bulgarians

somebody wanted to bog russia down with this artificial conflict designed by the west

american political experts say it would allow the us to fully focus on countering china

this cynical and totally neo colonial approach is very characteristic of our western partners

this may be true after all

but we were adamant in our attempts to avoid more bloodshed in ukraine and prevent the country from becoming a foothold for future attacks against the russian federation regardless of the plans of the west

our decisions were based on the situation on the ground

and the situation was concerning mainly because the west was doing everything in its power to escalate the situation making it more dangerous to russia

on scz vice is actually disgusting

this is actually disgusting i don't even know if i could show this

someone sent me this

in my dears

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it's a thirty two year old man by the way

someone you know

inden was the one who said that the only alternative to a new sanctions package was a third world war

that's a strange way of thinking

he is a very experienced politician regardless of what the u s is now doing on the international stage

last june in geneva he and president putin once again have also a father it's also pretty weird

honesty

affirmed what the us and the soviet union leaders stated back in thee nineteen eighties

in a nuclear war everybody loses so it must never happen

in january two thousand and twenty two all five leaders of the permanent member states of the uun security council signed a collective statement expressing the same idea

so if you ask a person if there was an alternative to sanctions and his

the only alternative is war he must realize that world war three couldly be fought with nuclear weapons

but our western partners couldn't let go of their old habits if they believed this could happen in spite of all five permanent u n security council members have declared they are against it

whll is this

is nine eleven truthism mems allowed ontoit or no because there's a mem can i share this mem

is it al it's not aloud fk it's not a okay

it's not a lot it's just a meam i don't

believe it but l

it's just

it's a meme calling george bush the ghost of texas

that's it

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it's foctop sorry

it's too much

anyway

getting back to what we were doing

skip first one minute of

control

um

guys there's literally no one on line

guys i'm sorry today's dream so short i just have a debate tomorrow

and i want to make sure i get sleep for it and stuff you know

sorry the stream's so short

but i'll see you guys tomorrow

hopefully for a much longer stream

right

hopefully we do like a ten hour tomorrow right

the debates at nine tomorrow just like before

ten nine

um is anyone out lah

i guys

i'm going to go to the gym

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