The Stream Where it's Happening [2021-05-20]

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oh yeah let me tell i'm going to rant about some shit

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i'm goinga be i'm so pissed actually

but what's this

you german soldier played the piano when the soviet union was pushing toward berlin

an s s soldier was forced to play piano for his captors

they made it clear in sign language that he would be executed the moment he stopped

he played for twenty two hours

after which he collapsed in tears they congratulated him then shot him

holy shit

of what

jesus that's brutal

zoid made this as a response to the latest infit

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come debate me instead of making a video you fucking pussy

i was thinking about waxing this entire video

instead of responding to it

video

then i realized

i don't have time

i'm clearly a very accessible streamer

who is known for debates

if you actually want to contest our video

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onstream

schedule a debate with me and we will have it on stream

but i already know this is

if you really have something to critique

you should be able to defend it

in a

an environment in which i can

defend mic

in which

our points can

and be defended

in real time

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the scientific distinction between socialism and communism it's clear what

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i didn't smpell ship wrong

there you go that's how i that's how i squash the beefs

yeah

now i'm going to get pissed at you guys

everyone's getting punished right now

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first of all

this is fucking unacceptable this video took like a mont to listen lis lists lisen

oh fucking people keep asking us for scripted videos

there's they take a lot of work to do

this took a month to edit from our editor took a month

when we released it

on the second day or third day would we get

four point five k u

my streams get this

you see why we don't do these scripted videos that often

because they don't s because beuusd the audience is be stupid

you fods audience are retarded

you think you think look are infrared people

you think we're retarded

not

we know what we're talking about

is are very rich

theoretical

background

to each and every one of us

okay

we just don't share it with you guys one hundred percent

because you're not worthy

and by you guys i mean the whole youtube political scene

we don't share it

and when we do the nerd gatekeepers come in and try to bite our ankles and bother us and harass us

so ok we'll keep it to ourselves

we'll keep it to ourselves then

we'll just keep it to ourselves howbut that

if that's how you all want to be

youn't wanta be like that

le's just keep it to ourselves

why should we put all this effort only to get four k views

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you see why it is

you see why things are how they are now

you see why this shitt is the way it is now

becuse you all don't know what you want

you don't know what you want

you all don't know what you want

then you people will remain a fringe idoto we won't bitch

no we won't idiology doesn't spread through theory

believe it or not

you think vosh has theory

you think bred tube has any theory to back itself up if fucking doesn't

it's all it's all a fucking appearance you understand

it's all a show

understand the sooner you understand that the more you trust the plan the better you will unerstand

so much work went into this video

so much work

there's so much quality and effort

and weet wll for what four k views

you see you see

you see the trade that's going on

you see the cost benefit analysis

you see the cost benefit analysis

make videos about actual ideas

so you're telling me we should pour all of our painstaking effort

like it takes like a month to make these videos

just to get four k views that's what you're saying

no

this vido is better than anything from

anyone

anyone i don't care who you're talking about i'm sorry i cam

not to haite on hockeim this is way better than hockims videos

but the audience don't know what they want

you don't deserve us

youll don't deserve was that'f the truth

because we're living in twenty thirty five and you guys are living in twenty sixteen

we're living in twenty thirty five in ten years this video is going to git five million views

they're going to like oh how could they have had this foresight

that's how that's the tragedy

that's the tragedy

that's the tragedy

this video should have ten kve viwed by now

explain why it doesn't

what what his views are

look at who contra points let's look a bit a contra points video

contter points

look at this shit

what is this shit hah

she does a video called men and it has a three million views

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the farc is this

she sits on the couch and talks she doesn't even have to edit anything

just a script anything

all she does is sit on the couch and talk

i cold do that

i could sit on my couch and talk

and you guys give her three million views

you'll give her three million views to sit on the couch and talk

you see the problem

and she's not even smart she doesn't even know theory like we do

shelesn't know nearly as much as we do and y all give her three million views

this is the tragedy

the people who know what they're talking about

you give us fur e four k views

keep complaining about karaoke streams

keep complaining

all you fucking nerd stupid fucking nerd bitch haters

this is why

you see what the plab audience likes

look at this

thanke destroys wah

no editing went into this video twenty four q views

me bullying source of dunlap seventeen k uss

destiny fourteen k views

sandra all tene look at all this shit right

then wh it comes to a video

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you see

you see

you see the truth

there you have it

i lost all those debates

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everyone kick w laugh at the retard in the chat li reeral world order

liberal world order

literally your name is liberal world order you already lost the debate you fucking moron

you literally already lost the debate

and you come in my v c and debate me

after i'm done talking to logo come and i'm debating other guys tonight come m iy b c and debaate me later tonight pussy

i'm going to give you that chance you're going to come debate me because you're talking a lot of shit

you're talking a lot of shit i'm putting your bit ches in time out

get in my discord

come in the v c come debate me later tonight and we'll see

we'll see who lost the debate

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you should do what contrapoints knows nothing about socialism hervid

mention anything about yeah dude contra points

no i don't want to good i don't want her fans i don't care about conseerquences

if you watch concert points you're fucking cringe ok

the liberal world order is unstoppable

lial the liberal world who thinks that literally

every lib is crying in crisis that the liberal world orders collapsing

and you're saying it's unstoppable in what know in what universe

what is even talking about

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do't believe this y am

is not angs bits

wow you are literally a marxist

so what

your liberalism is destroyed marxism arises

china's rising china's the biggest over a billion people marks this country

and china's rising the libs are collapsing

talk about projection

but marxism is winning you live they're the ones who are losing you're being devoured by populism your institutions are collapsing nobody believes in liberal democracy any more nowhere in the world are people embracing liberal democracy everyone's becoming authoritarian and illiberal

where's your victories hat where's your bright future you're done liberal you're done liberal liberal liberal suck my cot

don't give hm attention

he's a lefty buller trolling

yeah lefty pull still on my coc huh

stom my cock

i'll box lefty pollers ont i'll box them i fucking hate them so m they band my twitch

they tattle tilled and reported my twitch

that is onun fororgivable crime it's an unforgivable crime

and i'm waging war against the american left

until i die because of that

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ah let me ask him he's ready

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um i was just checking some shit what part of michigan am i from

ah your mom's house

i go there every night

in an extremely exaggerating situation people are very discontented

so the right try to direct the discontent toward muslims immigrants and unemployed

yeah

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you're living in the anglo box hoz

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i'm literally bursting out of the anglo box with my cop

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bocking

how am i living there

i'm really bursting out of it

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are he's coming on

called the sessunan box

the fock are you talking about

replicator pogan and his autgued pogan ran away

literally pogan is the biggest pusssy

i'm not debating anyone right now

'ing we're going to talk to logo

then later tonight we're going to debate

some fucking pussy in my

cop jail

alright logos come on

hey w's up man

no

can you hear me

ya ya i can hear you fun

al right cool

the man how you doing

i'm pretty good man i'm just chilling right now

nice

had some pizza

wll ym

fun stuff you know just live in life

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it was actually believe it or not

it was lauveist who did it

like they a

they coordinated like a reporting

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who else would do it

you know

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they're like from this like image board or some shit like some

yeah

but i

yeah i uh

i don't know

i didn't really like prepare anything today i just like

i just figured we could just like hang out and chat for a bit or whatever

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and i got lots of ideas if you're if you're out yeah yeah re whenever dodd whenever i i

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um

what is this low energy olcome i'm trying to think to i'm trying to fuck and thin i don't know what to say

and

but i could just tell you what i've been thinking about yeah yea why don't you start why don't you start because my my mind is

well like what i've been thinking about a lot

recently is i just

i'd cast i the middle look it up

aain

now

you type in emily brandwin like

brand to win as like one last name

you'll find this podcast but it's about this girl who is

she was did improv comedy

and that was her route to the cia

was a

and i've been thinking about how much that makes sense

and

how much

like

we could make sense of the world right now with the idea that like you have

like

u c b

improp comedy type people in the cia now like that's basically

who's in charge of us

it's really weird why do you think that is it's like

why you think that but all the jokes sort of make sense right

because they have the their create their role playing scenarios like fictitious scenarios and inventing their responses while keeping like a coherent identity

in like multiple circumstances like over and over there like p

like creating a new identity for themselves like in habiting it acting as if that's who they are

you know what i mean

like it's it makes total senses like the skill set

involved you're right actually especially if it's like you're like a kind of self ironic type we're like you're always detaching

rum like um

yeah i could actually see like

also a lot of like these podcasters too right

like uh the chapel s

well i just feel

the

i'm like now interested

and to figure out

the history of like stand up comedy as like a media because

it seems like stand up comedy

has taken like the position of like

the

the like public consciousness in america anyway like that's why people

are obsessed with like the politics of stand up comedy

it's because like the comedians are supposed to be like representative of the people in away like because we have this

like

this is like this is how what the

works right like we don't

like we have to have the representatives or whatever

but the comedians had this like mythology about themselves of like being really like men of the people

especially when like a comedy was being considered an art form or something and like the mid to act of the twentieth century

and and like i'm just you know i'm thinking so much of like

if we can

potentially like

consider a

's like the class of like what like actors like theatrical

performers like where does that fit into like a class analysis

because also today right that these hollywood producers are creating a union for themselves

oh sure like producers

right isn't that a little

well i think on

that calls m to suspect the whole union thing

the fact that

uh i've been saying this shit people get so mad when i say this but like

ah to me unions have changed in in terms of their function their role in society

and people should really think about why is it that the unionization of amazon failed

but

all of the successful union unionizations that happen nowadays are

grad students

you know these kind of

e m c type of people these uh

you know uh artists and like uh you know those type those type of people areh engineers google engineers

those type of people

can unionize successfully

because their workplaces are already fundamentally culturalized and there

their cultural machines like h

beyond excet engineers and all those people are an exception

but it's more complicated those mental workers whatever

but by and large

graduate they're all cultural workers in the first place so

unionizing is super easy because the

it's like uh

uh

this kind of ability to transmit

some kind of

common stance and position is already there they're already fundament fundamentally culturalized

whereas amazon workers where they actually do real shit they're not just like

cultural workers

they have a hard time unionizing so it just calls in a quick

is unionization just this purely kind of cultural bullshit today is is there

is it possible to really successfully unionize contemporary

workers you know

but another thing i wanted to add with the whole comedy thing is that

it's also strange because

there seems

it comedy

seems to have

taken in america and the whole the west as a whole

a kind of privileged uh metaphysical h status

uh you know the whole kind of nehlistic like uh basically

all life is a bad

comedy its all a joke

uh i think that's why we see the prevalence of

you know the joker as like such a i mean as a mean but also not only as a mean

uh as like a serious point of

h

serious point of reference in terms of light

a figure or a symbol or a character that

people fundamentally relate to today

and then also that whole meme about like clown world and all that kind of stuff so it seems like

comedy it seems like we're at a moment in which

comedy

uniquely more than any other era of american history comedy is like

what tums up

i guess um

the current

the current metaphysical accent i guess

of the country

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um

ive just think been thinking about it from the perspective of like the

that

pretty much like al soocial media or like ponditrey etc like in a

hello

i think you're disconnecting a little bit

what's the last thing you left off on punditree

oh yeah i don't like like

can you hear me now

yeah i can't tell

all right

yeah i feel like when

we were like following the news cycle

or whatever

it's kind of similar to just

these scenarios are being presented for us

and pretty much everyone's like larping in their response like we sort of

act

by like the mechanisms of social media itself

the way that like behavioralist psychology

describes like human subjectivity but not how it is like experienced outside of these confines of like social media

you know what i mean

like the way people

communicate to each other on social media is very different than

you would in like a face to face

conversation

and

that's why like you can't really there's like not really

i don't really know if there's a potentiality really for like you know we have like all these debates or whatever

and that seems to be like like ostensibly important or or whatever

but i really don't think that it's even like

possible to have

these sorts of

like dialogues or dialectics or whatever in the confines of

this system at this point right because

we're like by play acting like on this stage we are sort of taking for granted like the

the media cycle in the moment in in time in that like media the drop the dramatic narrative of like what

the majority of people believe like

is going on in world politics or in this country specifically

and to even like grant that some sort of reality

even to the best you can do is to just like

granted a hypothetical reality solely that you can like deconstruct it

because

w people just fundamentally don't live in reality

right like i don't like i think that's really what

the clown world

mean is about is that

like we'reur discourse with reality is media so heavily mediated by the structure and like the gate like the game theoretic and like systems theory mechanics

that went into creating them

that

it's

like how do how do you

what we

it you have to explain like where all this comes from right because it's like

how do you even start talking to someone like

destiny or like a game or type liberal or whatever you have to be like well listen like you have to you don't know anything about the w like the world that you're imagining or like the world that you want have a conversation about is a complete fiction

bak

has no history like no real reality to it

like that's how severed

the media like control system or however whatever way you want to think about it

um has like to this is like the real totalitarianism right is

right yeah i think but the question i have then is m

how can the true reality be accessed at all and in what way can one

whatt what would constitute an experience of the real

a reality

i guess

um i don't i don't really know like that's that's a that's a tough that's a tough question because it's

how can you ever be sure that you have access to this realityor that you're like you can only know when you gt it wrong right for the most part

so

so really the way that like i

i feel like

there's all these layers it's like an onion to like this

like

being disenchanted with the media

if that makes sense

yeah like

it you don't like immediately jump to this level where you like understand like how constructed

these narratives are

and like how they're just like kind of institutional fictions

um

at

it takes so long to get to that point that it's sort of like i feel like everyone is like in a cold

in america

of like

like this total fiction of our own national history amongst other things

and

there's like all these like subcults derived from it but

there is like a real history beneath all of this right like

but i do believe we can access

but that history is the one which

is like

it shows how

how fake our fucking history is you know it's like we have to talk about everything scare quotes i feel like all the time

because i feel like there's like two planes of reality almost

where there's

the consensus narrative this like total story storybook thing where it's like ok all right we're larping

like this is what world war two was about right now so i have to like pretend that i hold all of the same

the same interpretation you know oh yeah yeah it was good that we went and did that

like we have to pretend like all these premises

are valid but they're totally fake

like it's all it's all fucking bullshit like

i how where do you start with people you know if you're going to start like being like you're

your framework your frame of reference for the world is this complete like liberal fiction

i think the issue has to do with this kind of separation between

is

i guess what you would call the artificial reality in which people uh

suspend or i guess invest

their sense of meaning right

and then the kind of factual i guess true reality

a it's also a distinction that you can find being

expressed

even by the m s m itself when it comes to the whole like

we have a crisis of fake news i mean clearly people

are willing and invested in

believing things

that are may not necessarily have any factual reality whatsoever but

it has still some kind of reality

only its a virtual reality yeah you know

yeah exactly precisely

of course you and i know that when the media says this all they're doing

is uh

incriminating themselves their revealing that

well actually this distinction you're pointing out between the fake news and the

the true so called true reality also applies to you people don't watch

m s m because they think this is the true site of

yeah true reality i mean according to this kind of impiricistic view of truth

that this is the true reality and um

and no they have all kinds of pathological and etiological investments and the whole explosion of fake news and all that kind of stuff

just kind of expose that fact

right

but im

still though i my issue is that

i remain sceptical

to me i

how should i say this so the distinction that we're talking about actually people living who are coming from communist countries communist states

it's very much

clear to them what we're talking about here like

it's the same thing in communist beause like officially there's an official narrative there's an official line

and then there's you know

what we would consider true

cynically or intuitively and stuff like that

and it also applies even to things like censorship right even when

the states are censoring certain content

radiological reserve

it's not that people you know view that think that they've obliterated it from reality's just that

that they've obliterated it from the kind of virtual

reality right which people recognize as a as a separate from

i suppose uh

and's a more

individual common sens ofble reality

but

nonetheless i think one uh point in which we may uh

disagreement we won't disagree but i would raise this point

to me

this virtual reality to me

is some kind of sight

of true

it is a site in which

ah something is going on beyond

that mere

deception

it is a way in which

even the true reality so to speak is being mediated to us and

and related to yeah

right no i feel you on that like if i didn't if i didn't think that there was any possibility at all

then i probably wouldn't do any any of this stuff you know like i wen

be here right now like

b

what i'm saying is

when it comes like

like as how do you think about it that it's like

how do is this a scalable

hermanutic like

how do you how do you get how to how do you even begin to inform people

in like all of the ways that they've been meaned on fundamentally

like

all of the things that they believe which are just total fing

like because you're essentially taking away what

their identity is which is what

the they get so upset about

right that's why it becomes like this sort of personal

attack

when you just want to describe like

well like how do you understand like

the american empire or whatever like what is going on or like you know how do you know anything about x y or z

i

it

there's a term that are just complicated it's complicated cope

you know there is a term that are a group

but our

internal likele

infrared we've

we've come up with and we call it soft conspiracism

and what it means for us is that

there is a moment

a singular moment actually

ah

that a person will experience

that is a fundamental

over

all encompassing

all encompassing

nw

in

the uh

establishment etiology i mean the the mainstream narrative

we call it soft conspiracism

ah not because

it's like

you know

it's less problematic than you know the hard corking species but because

it hasn't hardened into one

consistent narrative yet

it's just this moment of

fundamental radical alienation and doubt

rum the whole kind of mainstream whatever a narrative and

the only danger we have in the moment of soft conspiracism is if it hardens into

one kind of

narrative

that explains everything and to me this is where

a

kind of psychotic pathologies will come from like

super paranoid

conspiracy theories cults

that offers some kind of a

uh some kind of uh

solution to this crisis that an individual will experience with

establishment narrative like

because it puts someone in a very vulnerable position just as but

the important thing to me i think at least would be that

you don't necessarily have to explain anything one by one

there's usually singular moments in which people can just

are just delivered to this point of doubt in every

right

their singular moments just make people start to question everything they see on t v and all the narratives that

that come their way

and on

what those moments look like and what they are i think

it's kind of tough to pin them down but i think they do exist i think

you know some examples of

i think one example of this moment actually

and come to think of it

was trump's election just the fact that he was he was elected i think this was

and the reason was because it was such a stark

oh

this it was such a stark

difference

from what that we were seeing on t v in the m sm

about like you know what was going on in terms of polling and all that kind of st and then we see trump got elected it's like all these people were fucking wrong you know

so

that led people down a rabbitable that just started to make them

question every

everything

you know

yeah

so here's here's the here's the problem that i have with this right is that i don't feel like it's like a singular

because i think

that we have these moments all the time

and then it's also just like basic human frailty that

like

people don't like to have this final revelation i think and like you know suddenly

i

you know eliminate these sorts of aspects

of their like fictitious identity they've adopt adopted from

just

the environment i suppose

i

so when you have these moments even with like the trump election right like

that doesn't necessarily bring more people to like a general skepticism

then it would be to like corral them

into various

's like sympathetic alternatives

to degree right because you look at like you know you have like all the

that

the the so there's not really a huge difference at the end of the day between the like all right guys and like the eighty five people

because

they're fundamentally larping right like they're not

they're still en acting the the

fictitious reality of our like liberal electoral political cycle

and if anything they have a adopted it and their position in it even to be even more a part of their identity

what i'm saying is like

how do you strip

this sort of like

like you don't like if this is how you're still thinking you're still thinking your identity is mediated by the like national election cycle by like the mainstream media by

oll

we've already seded the ground entirely

to even framing your conception of self

to the established

systems of power right

so

that's like the real jump that has to be made is

the total like the total

like not like

that's what i where i see everyone getting suckered into like you know caring about fucking electoral politics and stuff like this

but

that's not going to do shit

ever

ah

you know it's it's tough it's tough because

this uh establishment we're talking about right that people are

that

it's what i don't want to sound like a pseudo whatever but it's what interprelates people

as subjects basically right politically speak

i

we have a sense of self

political sense of self

uh initially because

we are interpretateed by these institutions by the mainstream media by this kind of

establishment and we see

and the elections and all this kind of stuff as the site

in which

we participate in some kind of reality and within which reality is ultimately meaningful

when

when the

there's kind of two issues right

when we

ah

d

how would be the word for this

i guess it'd be kind of like

when

this establishment is no longer the privileged medium in which we

find meaning we invest our sense of meaning

a

usually there's one of two results and they're kind of almost the same thing right there's a

thank

total breakdown of

of meaning in general not just the meaning

as it's mediated by establishment but just in general you just go fucking crazy bas

or

you adopt some kind of

ah cod basically that

oh holy shit molina in one nine ounanred seven donated thirty dollars glad to see you backstreaming we missed you

thank you molina fans so much appreciate it so much thank you appreciate it so much

uh thanks

but anyway as i was saying

we are

we adopt some kind of cope

that just fundamentally is like

the panacea ofor the solution that just explains

like why we were because

this i mean the fact that

you like the fact that you could believe something is the privileged side of meaning and then

that suddenly becomes meaningless is itself like an extremely traumatic revelation

so

where the cope kind of enters in is it basically like

it explains for you like a

why you were deceived and

this kind of this is the red pill that's the ultimate solution

you know it's the whole time it was reptilians and you know what i kind of mean by that or

yeah yeah but like

i would say that like the more popular ones right that the're

the ones that are actually get traction

because there's a lot of people at any given time of one of these like watershed moments or

you know moments that jar people from being

why

so mshed into the programed like meritive cycle of the

that they'll start like considering alternatives

but i feel like there's a so you have this like market now of like

interpretations of the world

but

and it's like

the ones that survive in that market the best are the ones that can like best

reorient you

back into the

yeah the center

right

yeah likever with through whatever fucking ridiculous mental gymnastics

and it turns out almost nothing is too much

why

almost any sort of fucking crazy belief

can be added into these sorts of alternative hermanutic or whatever

but still ultimately ratify the

the order of things as they are now

so like you know if you wan like really deep down int the q and on stuff right like

there's people writing like these long

in that

uh like lower post

about how time travel machines function

and like how

like all of this is the result of time travel and they're creating all this

and it's like ultimately that at the end of the day they're white

yeah we need to go to war with china like it's like like it's the it's that somehow you can have all these ridiculous baroque alternatives

you can be an narco fascist bid in neo liberal whatever the fuck

call yourself anything

douk i'm a fall and just

but i'm also a furry

or whatever the fog you can just like it

bash up

all of this nonsense together

and still just raify

the center

no matter what like just in your

just in the way that you are already interpreting things

it like the conclusion ends up being like okay so

yeah i'm i'm reasonable i'm like a social democrat i'm not a communist so

we just need to fuck in

get byed and elected the will push them to the left the real problems the republicans and it's like

oh i thought you were you're a pa sadist or something on twitter like

everyone it's like the warping

right has gotten so

complicated and out of fucking hand and everyone selling

these costumes to each other

that

where where like and again like who wins who wins in the costume selling fucking games the people

the one where you're selling people one that they can still wear out in like a normal

normal respectable society that the new york times won't necessarily

sneer too much aut or whatever

there's also a kind of

practical uh

i guess i

commonsensical way of onders sanding this as well as that

yah

the reason these people are successful is because they

operate

through the use of this kind of feedback loops where

they draw you away from institutions

and

these people win

this kind of trust

uh and attention from thousands and thousands of people

and then

the institutions then recognize you for being able to do that and then you basically sell out

you know you get more support or funding from the institutions and then

you know it's like a feedback group basically and

it's yet but like but what is it selecting for right it's selecting for the person who can instrumentalize

like they call this the compatible wet

right and like the ca this is what the cia was doing like they were like we' got to cultivate like the compatible left

and this is like really what the new left is right like

it's the compatible list

synthetic left the people that you can you can use

will still play ball like at the top

like who fucking get that you like we just got to like you know wll mak the change happened slowly right you know

we don't want to real revolution we just want some reforms

um some reasonable reforms like you know like yeah this is the best you can get really

and that can be fucking out there that can be a fucking weird

like

a neo pagan cult where you do fucking md m a and shit

like yeah that's fine that's not really a challenge to the fucking

power structure at all like

wellll they'll see that you'll get a darpa

grant

to see if it works on p t s d patients or something

like

what isn't

digestible by the fucking system

it what like it's

i like this is like you know the you got to grab the stone the builders fucking reject right

i feel like

almost an extreme fal a failure to

work out in the media structure is

is a better heuristic than like conformity to the mean

you know uh

not to sound like a dogmatic fanatic or anything

actually do think it it applies here

to me uh

what's going on

uh can be understood in the kind of uh

ah

dialectcal materialist way just in the sense that

ah

it seems like

nothing is

nothing can change right

you have this moment of a negation i suppose right where you have this radical doubt or uncertainty or

skepticism and then you're

as you have the podcasters or the d s a whatever the hell

and they rechannel you back into

the establishment eteology the main street they sell out right

but

i still think that this contradiction this specific contradiction

as consequences

for the center

a

it's uh eight

it attests to the fact that

the center so to speak the establishment

is a false

a center it's a it's a pretender basically

because the real sense

from like a he gelian perspective right

the real object the real center the real

the real the

i guess i

absolute

has to reconcile this contradiction and the current center doesn't reconcile the contradiction like

for example take bit in right

wy din't appears to be a return to

same old same old right before trump back to the obama but we can all tell that

this is not this is a fake this is not a real

this is not the same

this is just the appearance of the old centre the real objective centre

uh and by center by the way i just mean this kind of

fundamental point of

objective point of uh

a

reference

reality yeah of reality o sie reality precisely yeah

and this i just think that the

when you when it is a negated so thoroughly you cannot simply return back to it

something as far as it's concerned

has changed fundamentally and maybe this is where china

as maybe china is

buth ultimately the true kind of

the center that

i think it already is yeah

i think it's like i when i think that this happened was

when

we can no longer narrativize america itself

like the project of america now

cannot even be described

without talking about china

we have it like when we're saying like well what it what is our purpose in the world

if you watch like i just watched stephen frye and like jordan peterson talk

and even stephn fry he's you know he's a good old

old boy british blue blood

with his with his very young husband young boyfriends

um he

he

was saying that like

we like the real point of liberal democracy is to like

hold open this space

forever

like we just need to hold the position

that has been established

and

the only thing that in the future are just like threats to this

order

so we just have to like snuff out

everything else in history

like in its cradle because it's it's like the world's full of baby hit

right this is like the liberal imagination

and we just need to like do infantaicide

on the these things and we have to maintain

the exact tensions in society that existed in the twentieth century and we're just maintaining those those tensions because

what we did is we created a system that uses those tensionss like fuel

like

uh i would look this up show this on chat look up uh

ten segreatey

sorry what is it

t n s e g r i t y tennis egrety it was a big thing like buckminster fuller came up with this it's about like

using tensions

to as in architectural terms

to support something

so

it's using like mutual

yeah

so it's using mutual tensions

to support this is like this should be like the fascist

symbol for the american empire is a

this this thing

it a

we use the tensions

the tensions themselves are the stability of

ah

ya i mean um

you know uh

it's it's so interesting because

i think there is

maybe i

something uniquely american about that wouldn't you agree i mean

h we tend to a lot of the things we associate yeah where do we common sense like a criminal empire yeah we just want to have like the

like you know that's the wild west like this whole idea where it's just like

i was just talking about this in the in the podcast i put out but you can see this in king leer

really really well

um the character edmund right he's like

the bastard born society like he's like one he's like the upwardly mobile

he doesn't have respect for any of like the inheritaed traditions he's like he's like nature is my god

and like

if i can take

what what i take is mine is like mine by natural right

and

this is this is like he's like and he's like a villain right

but he's often portrayed

more and more over time as like this hero

because he's like stand up for bastards right like this is

the the the bastard empire of the

you know the upward the upward upwardly mobile the great gatsby character

that that

that that's the hero of our society is the the like

the nore protagonists the

the person who's upwardly mobile who goes from the bottom to the top like benjamin franklin's autobiography

etcetera like this is

this is our understanding of ourselves

so

like you need ten those tensions to exist in order for you to like have a meaning and like progression in like the narrative

wife

is like

utilizing these tensions in society to move from like the bottom to the top

and that's what all of our celebrity narratives are right like we just

we love those

that's

it's our like real religion is this this whole idea

you know and and

sorry

say

i didn't meaned to cut you off

oh that's fine o i think i's it

angela nagle she recently had an essay

and i found it kind of uh

interesting

and and

trust me a lot of these essays and substan that i ignore them because it's like stupid

it's actually interesting to me

yeah

because she she expressed her surprise at biden's kind of new proposal how he was assimilating many of the demands from burning everything

and she said well let's go look back at the story of a new deal new deal was not some kind of

revolution new deal was in a way

according to her i don't know if it's true

was the establishment kind of adjusting itself

adapting itself to on

this tension or whatever right

and she said the same thing is true for biden the expectation that

there's this fundamental collapse of the this is her worre according to her

that there's some kind of collapse of american estylishment going on

is a flawed assumption because american liberalism

is defined itself by its ability to mutate and adapt itself

to this kind of um

perceived source of its contradictions and then even she she pin

he said in a speech to communist party

counsraise i think

he said something like

we have in the past underestimated the ability for

capitalism

to adapt

in the west

he means like

is he for him he's referring to the socialist yeah as the chinese and he said

we're competing with the capitalist system in the west but

we've underestimated its ability to adapt

i think they're both talking pretty much

about the same thing

ah

at but to me

this opens an important question though

at what point what is the contradiction that

cannot be

assimilated or reconciled

ah by not only the american establishment but by america as a political

now

i would say it's the concept of a win win game

mike

a position just like the idea that there isn't always like that there is like positive

cooperation right

because the models that people use

are these like game theoretic cyberdddict

bentha my

fucking

simulations

of like prisoners dilemma problems etcetera

where the best case scenario is like a win lose scenario

there aren't really win win scenarios

there's lose loosecenarias there's tons of lose loose scenreias

and then there's win lose scenarios

but there's no situation where everyone gets something out

it like is is benefited by a transaction

or whatever a lot of the times people make this out to be the case

when they're describing like liberal economics as being for in a positive thing

but they are't they'll

they have to deny right that like someone's being exploited at some point and

not

in the chain of events here

and

you know but

do you do you see what i'm getting at here i don't i don't know yes just h one moment i'm sorry i got a donation h

voidburn thank you so muchpreciate a man and he has a comment

i deeply appreciate this statement datalus has made

the tensions uphold our stability materially this manifests in the military industrial complex

us creates more terrorsts to fight when none are left

yeah that's a good example actually yeah i could i was i was making a joke about that like i could tie this back to that

like the fact that stand up comedians right are being used

but if you could think of them

the tensions

all that exists like in a crowd like a stand up crowd are what

re are what you're there for

right like the tet there has to be tensions

in the society to like give voice to something so that then there's like the release of like laughing

at this sort of statement of attention or a grievance or something that's latent

in the society of the time

that's like the whole point of comedy

so that's like the real

warpedness of our system

is that we need to like preserve like a specific type of tensions

and we that model of what the tensions ought to be

is like produced by us but they're not what the how the tensions like actually are

so there is still this disconnect right

likelaing

that's why you know it'll be like let's say like a lot of like white privilege discourse or whatever

the real tension is between like you know poor people and rich people right

but that

were will play act this like fake tension scenario and then that ends up creating you know like

disaffected

like poor white kids or whatever for the most part

who who

th

they're not they're like i don't have white privilege you know i hate the same people that you hate for the most part but like

now because we' we're we're acting out this

the this fiction

where this is the real tension in society like we're creating a tension

based off of that fiction acting out our positions within that fiction and that fiction ultimately

is the fiction of the state we're already in

you know um

i've also it's also got me thinking when you mention the that win win scenarios

is the kind of the blind spot i guess as far as american

the american system cannot adapted

it also makes sense then that the

as opposed to this permanent state of tension and

antagonism which is the what the american state is used to being able to

reconcile its define itself by elevating itself above

isn't it also that

it kind of uh

country or civilization

that

can successfully

maintain

its own particularities

define itself not simply by

either an abstract a universalism or a

a permanent state of tension but a real kind of determinate

h character civilization like for example china right china he at the end of the day is china china's existed for

thousands of years and so on and has a specific particular culture all this kind of things

uh isn't don't you think this is also a kind of a blind spot of american uh system americans uh american uh

i guess establishment system or america politically i guess

cannot afford

any recognition for

mmhmm

a universality that exi that

yeah

exists only in so far as it is particular determint

kind of universality you know yeah

we don't have

real identities is like this is sort of what i'm also getting at here right like

there was at one time a place called

the united states of america

and it didn't have a singular identity

it had various regional

and like sub ethnic identities

and little subclaves that existed

all into like there are different spots

and they didn't really have a national identity as such

in except in so far as like

they were all not

europeans anymore

basically

mm that's

pretty much all that there was to it the real divides

in like identity were based on like your sort of regional and religious

and in some cases that would be tied to like your political party affiliations and things like that those were like

the identity that existed

back in the day

by

with the like

complete

like totalitarian almost construction of

the new media like that like ever like we built

we rebuilt this country on a fundamental level during world war twi like the amount of coordination between industries

between like publishers educators like everybe it was

that was like the real biggest project

of the time way bigger than the soviet union or what nazi germany was trying to do like

we had the most collaboration like the deepest

it like you know what i mean that's like really

when we're talking about f d r it's like massive public works projects and things like that

but at the same time it's like part of this one of those public works was like

producing a new american identity

like and it one that had to be open and like

uh and

a

more

salable to

all of these new territories we've conquered

which had a really horrible idea of america prior

like the stereotypes of america in the twenties

are what i think to be ust like an accurate depiction of america where it's like oh it's a bunch of like

bunch of criminals and gangsters

and like prostitutes you know what i mean a con man

ah that's

that's all like that's america it's like that you know it's a it's a

trashy sort of place where everyone's like exploiting each other

that's how people understood america in the twenties

you know across the world that's what the american like media likes like if you look at

hollywood movies from one nine hundred twenty s compared to like the thirties and forty's

the depiction of the country is very different it's a lot closer to how we've started depicting the country again which is again like as this criminal fucking hell hole

where everyone's just getting murdered

you know like you know that's

that's how it really is that's like the soprano why the sopranos are like breaking bad like all these sorts of shows are so populars because

like they're actually engaging with the real

the real reality the real

america

that exists

you know uh

there is some

a lot of confusion especially among marks has left us

we hear the word socialism with chinese characterist

as opposed to what's right

there's a famous saying you probably heard of it by earl browder right

a what is it

communism is americani ism in the

the twenty twentye century someon like that

it's kind of true

what we associate with communists of this kind of

flat

leveling of all

mm

particular reality and imposition from the top down of like a

complete

total ca total control everything

this isn't really what made communism unique in russia china yeat in fact the

the russians and chinese people don't know this

they imported

the reason that

they imported their

understanding of modernity

uh especially in the initial stages

from america

their model of modernization oh yes fundamentally american

and

the reason the soviet union would come to be the enemy of america

is not because it was this kind of

total state where everything was leveled and it was like

you know completeh no that was america the soviet union

was the enemy because it was the rouskis they were too russian they were too a

particular to kind of on

toy they didn't have they didn't listen to rock n roll and like by blue jeans and of course yeah that you know that to yeah they were too you

i guess what's the word traditional in a way conservative it's precise yeah yeah yeah

yees

yeah that's

that's

one of those fun ironies

yeah i mean i got like that

the soviet union right there were classicsists like they had ballet and chess

an opera

and you know they were dominating at all of like the aristocratic

sort of sports

from the like nineteenth century

whereas like america was the real

like this is whatcause you have said because youve said right that like you know people are talking about communism

it's really like you know it's for he said henry ford was the greatest marxist

be of the twentieth century in like a practical effect because

for it is't totally re like restructured

of like material relations like entirely

you know but the whole factory line model

so but

mm

but yeah we

we

did have this sort of communism but like

like it's so dumb i hate using all these terms like communism socialism blah blah blah blah blah

because really it's all just like it's one crisis in the entire world

in the twentieth century on how to organize

like

of fucking a political economy right now like and how do there's not a word for like ok there's all these different pep projects going and people are all you know influenced by each other it's hard to fuck and draw the line it's all kind of

bullshit to me to be like which one is the real ets whatever

but what's more interesting to me

is

that

in america at that time right we talk about the soviet union and like everyone has his opinion like you know ore people talk about china now and they're like oh but like you could be surveilled or arrested for

for doing x y or z

and it's like a no wen and like you know blah blah but like

in americas with that's all true everything they say is one hundred percent true of america and has been true of america

just as long if not longer

like you know talking about secret fucking private police forces that can arrest you like extrajudiciously

it's like what what's pinkerton what was like pinkerton agency

you know i mean like the nineteenth century

or you know that we talk about prisoner prison camps in china the soviet unions like we have those

like we have slave labor in prison camps we have a huge

prison population there's tons of people wo get

picked up by the fucking police for lord knows

what reason and are going to send to fucking work camps

like

but the thing is is that in america

no one believes you when you say that

whereas like if you said like you know if you said this sort of stuff happened in these other

like much worse countries or whatever like in the soviet union it's like hey the k g b is like abducting random people or whatever

people would be like yeah

everyone fucking knows that

you know what i mean

like

that wasn't a secret

really

yeah you know m

you know i i've also been thinking though but

its far as the

this kind of

false center in america is false

reconciliation of the biden ur

you know uh

we have in america a fascination with

post apocalyptic literature post apocalyptic themes right

this idea that we yarn for it we want it to happened so bad everyone wants

horrible shit to happen

but it's not to me it is not just horrible shitt but

they also all follow a specific model like

there is usually in all post apocalyptic games and literature so in america there usually is some kind of group which represents the old continuity of

american state right

or there are several but this group is just one warlord among the other warlords right

so to me the shift yet we're experiencing in america as far as the breakdown of meaning the breakdown of the trust in the m s m all this kind of stuff

it is happening a

and it is leading to ad a kind of new

am

how should i put this what would be the word

a new kind of f

social i guess i would

social warlordism right

ah that we see on social media like

you have these influencers content craazors feudalism you knows you know they they may be giving their tribute to m s m but i think

in the coming years they're going to realize that this ises stablishment they're giving tribute to

is almost being entirely mediated by they them themselves right

this is a similar dialectic that happened with the rise of feudalism itself in relation to the

the roman empire right the

you had an increased level of

decentralization of the kind of enforcement of

the roman empire and its subsistence and then eventually

a these became lords and the lords realize that there is no real central empire we are the actual power of

the empire right

to me i have a crazy kind of vision about what's going to happen politically

in america in the coming years

and i'd love to know your thoughts

so

if you don't know yeah he me with it man

so uh

we know for example bernie he

initiated a new model for raising funds for electoral campaigns because in america we know

politics now is a as a fundraising game it's about how much money you can raise

because money's the key to everything y money's how you pay staffers money's how you

to us you know you advertise it money super important right

and but also

the money is also a proxy for some kind of a

about some kind of social engagement and also some kind of ability to collect data

right

and these are all related

so bernie initiated this model the democrats began to adopt it so all of them did it kamala by it and they all started doing this model but then i re it then you realized something though

look at the current political influencs in america right

this influences in general

this is what they do

that model of

burnie small donations that's how they make the living that's how they make millions right

and here's the pune yeah here's the crazy thing right

and it's not just that they create they collect the money

they also have the clouds they they reach the at the same time they're collecting money they're reaching a huge

audience that they disseminate ideas to

here's the crazy fucking thingle it's not just the speculation on my part destiny the sttreamer destiny

he was actually involved in a political controversy

regarding canvassing in omaha his home state of omaha nebraska

and he was actually involved in a

concerts with a real world politics thing who is destined why is he involved

because he has

the our army online army and he has the

the money to

to channel

ah

some priate

i think i mean it's small now and then vosh also has said he's planning on doing the same thing

im it's a horrible thing voss raised money for palestinian charity which is a very nice thing incredible thing i'd never condemn that

but you know he's also going to start doing that for politics in america too right

uh voutch

yeah i mean well that that just feeds again right into the n g o complex right yeah that but this is all been accounted for you know like this is

this this is now them being normal that's how normal politics work

is

that's how it's always works

like where we got to like

that even saying that it has to go to like a charity or something

in the first place is like a step backwards right because like

the more the more powerful you make these charitable institutions like honestly like

charity is not a replacement for

changing the foreign fucking policy

of the country

right

yeah like that's the real important thing the important thing is to like change the actual situation

and no matter how much money you raise for like relief

that's not doing the fucking thing to change the actual situation so wh you really have right is i would say like

you look at these like quoe unquote mutual aid networks or whatever

' is really like they're doing it for clout obvious yes like precise fucking free advertising you kidding me it's fucking great it's in more doing this like out of the

the pure goodness of their own hearts like it's like a feudalistic type of like pay patronage kind of

like it's not there's no strings attached but the charity is a form of power

right in a way right you're exerting a level of well you havet to show it later you'd be like you like who are you telling me that i don't care i raise this much money for it's not just that but it's also like it's people peopleho a creates

they remember where they get their money from and you know that if this person's giving me money then

i'm inherently going to be more favourably disposed

to them right

you're going to have more influence and more clout over influencing the me

if you know

uh so i think

to me my prediction is that

because i've been looking at what's going on with streaming before i started streaming and i've been noticing more and more

ah

how it's been evolving and how it's sen especially with the guy hassan on twitch

um

yeah he he's it he's a fascinating case i think he's very under represented in terms of how he actually

how much he influenced the bernie campaign i think he influenced it

way more than people

would give him credit for

but

to me the future that i see going ahead is a new kind of f

political warlordism in america

ah

not it will not replace the current machine established in machines but

this machine establishment is increasingly going to be offloaded

on to this kind of uh

warlordism because

think about how fucking crazy this is

even biden and kamal all those people they had to adopt bernie's

monetization model or his fund raising model and before they would just collect big money from

special interests

but they realize you can get so much more just from small donations from a lot of people

right

it's kind of the maoist tack it's kind of like a maoist way of

thinking about raising money right

the more people the more sheer numbers of people

that's an

that has a kind of strategic yeah you know

that's true i'm just i'm so fucking skeptical and cynical man that like what what i think of

when i think of this right is that this is like oh yeah this is just like that what obama like the whole obama everyone has an i phone now everyone can be a canvasser and raise money for

the n g os

h that's this is

this is ultimately the end of that like i don't i still like

i feel

as if in order to really escape

the the dialectic here whatever just like what i think is like the false dialectic the sort of maintenance of tensions

i think you need to like create

independent systems themselves

like

this is like but always been the real trouble to this is you'll see

you start trying to do this

you'll get some fucking targets

put on your back real fast y especially when it comes to like doing independent like payment processing

or something

like if you could do like a payment process or

that was collectively owned or something like that

like you would you're going to have

like people putting bombs underneath your car

like this is the real

the real battleground

is creating is like because yeah you're right like we have all these fundraising opportunities etca

but they're all still mediated and tied to

this institution like we don't actually own all of our media so you're banded offf twitch for no fault reason precise now yeah so like we don't actually own

this sort of stuff

so it's worse like the closer we feel like we create these illusions that we do own this

that these profiles that we're creating on these

like corporate subsidiy media fucking enterprises

they really own everything that we do

we don't own any of that

they can get rid of it whenever

and that's the disciplinary function and also that is how it yeah everyone stays in line and also with the elimination of the

net neutrality you know you'd think ok you could just be like this is we're actually working on this believe it or not

we're trying to be more like destiny where he has his own website he just centralizes everything on his website

by

so if we get the platform by everywhere we'll have like a backup basically

but even then we doesn't show he's he's like such a perfectly liberal right like he's created his bankguard party

you know his whole like an apparatus

it's very funny if you think about it in a way because like you sad like

he's created like a constitutional monarchy yeh absut was one

but you knoww like he's not even really it's funny to see that tension yeah but i'm go to go but even then though with the elimination of net neutrality they can just take your shit off the web

they can take your website down i do know that's what nick fuentees does right he has his own

his own website now because he got deepl en even from those fringe uh

what what's that de live he got even de platform from de live you know

um

yeah

so he exactly there like

yeah there's no the like you can't but like the other thing though is that this idea for that platform

is also in its way impossible to create because

you create this like we've already went through so many experiments in the internet right that you create a platform that's just like

a fucking anarchy or whatever what it turns into is like scammers and like child porn etc etc yeah like

that's

that's why you can't even create like a purely open platform

but i think so there's i don't and do't think to i don't think there's any way around the geopolitical dimension of this

but we talk about creating alternative

but there's no way that we can

abstract oursel what's going on geopolitically there's no

there's no like

there's no possibility here for this

or anti establishment forces i don't ned i don't care if they want to call themselves right wing or whatever

a

i don't even think these distinctions right now are that important

uh or not so much important but meaningful i don't really find that meaningful but if you're s if you

are situated outside the establishment america

there's no way around the fact

that you must align yourself with

the arrival polarities

and

of

china russia even iran these kinds of countries

you know you can

it because the

these represent an actual reality

the objective

a decline or threat to the american

establishment

they actually exist in reality like

as a solid basis for

it's the anti establishment position you know

i

so to ea

but like think about anyone fucking knows about these places though

right yeah like that's what i mean when i say that like

particularly americans but i think that like west in general but particularly america is bad with like the a historical sort of amnesia

and just like lack of

knowledge but

but

that that lack of the geopolitical understanding of history just like the

the diminished world picture of like understanding america as like prior to you and determinative of

the rest of the world

is so

dominant

and everyone including bright you could even look at nick finis

like you could say he's a resisting to degree or whatever

he's mostly just like bad optics for for the the way the conservatives want to go

they they already have charlie kirk

they don't need him he's just causing problems he's

and he's not even that good at it because he doesn't know the real game you know he's trying to be consistent or something

the real game is what blying all the fucking time and changing your mind to fit whatever the fuck the mood

in the room is that he'd like

that's that's who's going to win in the conservative arena but

i don't think the people on the right have understood this yet

but charlie kirk is the future of the republicans

not any of these other fucking jokers

but even next one days

even cfintas

has this conception like he's like we need a new china

like

there's there's

the it's

you might as well be fucking you're just a shittier version well that's to be fair isn't that would richard spencer finally awakened to he awakened to that fact like

b he he was a totally right he you realize wait a minute america already is that country

already did it like oh right fuck yeah i love joe biden that's why i ha all that shit i was up to say down richard spencer is the only authentic

the supporter of biden he's the only one for whom biden is very happy to supportter

he he's s like running specifically to please richard spencer yeah a great job it's be caause i always say bidens a false reconciliation of america's contradictions

but where he's a true reconciliation is for this kind of

richard spencered white nationalist people it's like

he does reconcile their kind of whole itiological psychological ailment their kind of a

existential crisis there dialected their story

biden is the kind of messiah for them he kind of like heals their wound

you know

but yeah because by didn't

b din't

is a fucking white nationalist like moterars like you know he's working with like strom thrman it's like not even that complicate

you can tell from you know talks about here's the the irony with the whole kind of white nationals what white nationals don't understand

is that the biggest white nation was

are the so called laft

they are actually the real white nationalists

the people who

they are trying to appeal to the white nationals which are like a

the more rule america white people in america

they're not really you know the epitome of

white nationalism or white supremacy vgu

they they if anything do they have

traditions they have

you know customs they have

some kind of culture they had a

they're more earthly you know they're not really the epitome of white supremacy or white nationals whatever

it's literally the fucking

the very same people they consider their mortal enemies

those are actually the real

like

if there's such a thing as white supremacy it's them right

it's people who

yeah yeah liv like blackie youly the european

only the european forms of like liberal socialism

have a good morality in the entirety of history

coincidentally

it just so happens

that the the forms of like new left

liberal socialism

that was developed in the twentieth at middle of the twentieth century after world war two in the west

against like the stalinessts etc it just so happens

that this is

the only correct morality ever created

and it turns out it was created by

the like

like you know the burgoi of the time period right this is

this is that's what people believe like yeah the more you ratify this idea that like you know

the on nine hundred sixty s or the social revolutions of the twentieth century where this sort of populace like for the benefit of all sort of things

like there's elements that of that that did happen right the sixties are really fucking complicated because

this was like how the establishment learned to

instrumentalize opposition

this is like the this was the first fucking battleground this was like the you know

running siops fucking having l s d through the country m k altra fucking serial killers all the god damn place

like this is

this was when

everything was going figured out like we how are we going to make a compatible life

like how we're going to recreate like this

these new things like what is the point of the whole hippie subculture like we how can we use this

to like what ends can we instrumentalize

on all of this chaos that we're sort of creating within ourselves

and

that like yeah so like the more you raify that logic the more you're unconscious

then

that the more you approximate like the worst

excesses of it

but that's like you know a lot of those bread tubers right you know you know they they all h

they hate like african independent socialists like national sula or like black nationalists

like all these sorts of people are like you know

like eurasian nationalists or anything like that anyone

who isn't a part of

this sort of

just

bourgeois radical sheek

idiology which is

fundamentally like

trying to have its cake and eat it too where it's like the most hypocritical

two handed fucking thing you go you're the most rapacious capitalist of anyone

you're like financializing

fractures of people's identity or whatever

and

that but then you're also like you're that you're you're raising money for charity you're the most you mean you have an n g o

you know so you've got to just balance those two things

you appear like biting he appears everyone saying is the most progressive president ever some fuckingshit

meanwhile the actual reality is like the so far removed in the opposite direction

that no one can even make sense of it this this distinction these

the more hypocritical the more there's a gap between these two things the better

like that tension also has to be maintained that's where a lot of money is

yeah yeah i mean um

it's

it's always a mystery to me you know i

i can't make the assumption because i just don't know but

how many of these people really do come from

like the actual state department

is bosch

really an independent

content creator or

did you know was he programmed

somewhere you know

was he manufactured somewhere

i

well we're all manufactured to to you know like thru red the more the morse the scarier thing right is like

they don't even have to know they don't even have to know if they're being instrumentalized or whatever

like that like no like you how would you know if like the someone was like oh like this person's rhetoric is like useful so we're going to like fucking vi you bought them

etcetera push us like how do you fuck and no like how do you know how organic your own impressions are or whatever like

you know you can be getting shadow banned at any time you can get banned like who who

what is all of this it's impossible to like fuckin

hold it all together or whatever but

like that's why at least the abstraction of

like

i don't know understanding more in the abstract here is useful because it's like it doesn't really matter if lsh is a literal cia asset or something

he's deputized one you know he's an unofficial one he he'll still fuck and defend them and like

run disinfo for them etcetera

yeah i mean m

ya that's very true

to me it's really just at this point a matter of time

because i

i don't think the current political trends we see

are sustainable i think

from like a historicist perspective whatever right

uh this kind of uh democratic socialism quote unquote i think has exhausted its

uh relevance right it's

here's my s dialectic kind of ha gelian cynicism

to me

the whole

bernie sanders movement

the whole revival of so called socialism

only existed

you create something the democratic party

can finally

define itself against what here's what i mean by this

it's a way of excising from the democratic party those elements which never had any material basis

or reality to me that's the

that's the meaning of socialism in america right now is basically like

just a pretty much a loser somebody who just it mits they have yet the reality corral all of the

all of like the the worst people

to corral like you know all of

like the excesses

you know of liberalism

you know that meme of like willm

like the the kind of like crying so soyjack guy and then there's like

the chad face or the biden face thats just like yes you know i mean you know i mean

yeah yeah i know like that's what happened yeh yeah i was doing mems

yeah i was doing meaves was like is like joe biden like pulling up in this like hot rod he's like

like his's auntifa i don't think she's your girl she's she's king to get a ride with me you know like

that's

that's the real that's the real reality is like yeah the

they the these clowns the these clowns that are put out there

partial to like even drive people towards the center again to be like oh is this the alternative s so the two alternatives are like

fucking nazis or these like furry communists or whatever like i'm fucking check well number one i'm checking out or like number two

i'm just going to vote for the

that like the guy who seems fucking normal which was which was biden in that in that case

he seemed like a normal guy it's that is like you know what i mean you know average person but this is actually back to this kind of thing about comedy

that's precisely the the structure of what comedy is that's what it means to be the punchline of the joke

the leftists were here

when when biden got nominated they were saying all oh but biden's a white supremacist biden's just an old white man

bidens he's not even walke

and it's just like

dude don't you realize all you've done

is

you've

you've made yourself the sacrificial lamb

in whom

the democrats can finally rest easy

thinking about

knowing like

you are

you were that's like

the democrats performed an exorcist their george floyd on yeah exactly the forms for they performed i get associated by the establishment

you get asphixiated

you get choked out yeah the establishment

and and then that same establishment will later be like wow like

di by and said the other day

like that was like he's like this is not martin luther king never inspired anything like the george floyd for like that

it's fucking madness man

like it's fucking crazy it's it's so fucking out blatant it's so out there and work that like they literally

they literally like

glory and gain power from

doing this from fucked

like you know they think they're choking about the're choking out the any sort of class politics in america that's what they've been doing but it is soaking us out and humiliating like it's associating with humiliating fucking spectacles

but you know it's specific also dialectic comedy where it's like

you don't realize that

all the things you as a leftist are complaining about

you're the very punchline of the joke like

the whole point is like yes all of those things

never had any reality

your socialism your even your woke politics

it never had any basis any reality

by you complaining about it you're just awakening to the fact

that you're the punchline of the joke

like

you are the you are the very

sight in which reason

in the hegelian sense is reconciled

right

you are you

you are wware

you are the you

the kind of uh

the dirty laundry of this reconciliation

like

by complaining about it you're just

slowly coming to the realization

that it never had in the reality to begin like oh biden

you're just an old white male you're not woke or you're not a socialist all thse kind of things

and it's like

with the whole yes mem it's like

well yes youve you've precisely arrived

at the very reason

why none of those things have any reality or basis

like

you were the clown for thinking those things had any reality to begin with

you know what i mean it's that specific kind of

comedy and i think that is the fundamental structure of comedy in general right it's this kind of

it's this way of

it's this way of looking at the dialectic

the process of dialectic

which can be looked at in a kind of in terms of a tragedy or or a comedy they're pretty much like the same

structurally you know

yeah ya yeah

i feel you on that

yeah

it really has been a comedy it's been a farce

it's like

i don't i don't even know there's

what would count as a genuine tragic moment

and

i don't know the last five years of america

have there been any really like any like actual trad it just seems like everything is farcical

like even the worst things that happen

you know think of a fuck in

las vegas or something

do even like the kind of absence of meaning of this is itself like farcical or like a commentary on

ben on america that like the largest shooting ever happened

and it no when no one knows yeat there's no still it's a complete mystery what the fuck that was even about no one has any clue

you're right

but you know what you know why this and the more you look at it the weirder it gets no one cares yeah

but you know you know why this moment specifically is so

ah what's the word ominous and there's just such an

to me i feel a very ominous atmosphere in america like something

it's like the moment of dusk right it's a very like

oh its right before fucking creatures are out yeah it's like it's like cackle must it's like o people must have felt like right before world war one right

but to me in america yeah

it's because

you can see it and this is going to sound stupid you can see it in means right

you know what we're seeing is this kind of return of

you remember the rage comics in like the twoentand elevens the two thousand and twelves

yeah yeah yeah we're seeing like do you know the the kind of means we see now where it's like

the troll face but like the darker version and like it's these kind of like slightly more disturbing

version of or i i guess yeah i hate the anti christ christ yeah yeah that kind of shit

to me m

that that shows us the fact that we still act and believe as though we're living in the twoentoyd tens right now we still are

superficially we think we're in the twenty tents we haven't awakened to this new era

of the twenty twentyes twenty twenty a totally new time exactly and its and the w is new a time is felt in my life and what is ominous about it is that

the establishment

at least superficially apparently

but also that the content creators the influencers the trends the fashions

and the people who have

built their empire off the twenty tenths

they are all on

the what is the

they're all on the cutting board they're all on the

what's the word

they're all on the chopping block

shopping block yeah yeah they're all on the chopping block

at the twenty twenties

is going to announce itself

at the expense of

it already has tod yeah did the twenty twenty is announcing itself

is

the cia doing interviews about how they love improv comedy now

and there woke on sex work

and the rainbow flag flying with like goldman sachs and northrop grumman

and that's this is the twenty twentyes

like

i feel like this is this is one thing that's been driving me a little bit fucking crazy is like the left do weights

m

they think that the cia or whatever that none of these people could like be authentically engaged or devoted to liberal

a

cultural like cultural liberalism fundamental with how you know when they say this is their coke they'll be like

oh the cia's just appropriating it cynically yeah you the authentic thing it's st the appropriated version

no it's it is that it's that they it's the

that's the authentic thing that's what yeah the undred percent people of this

it's not they're not bullshitting like that this is they're do being authentic as fuck and this is who they

get now this is

this was the creation of the cia this is like their project ll that's the sart this they're so fucking silly dude they actually think

that theirre type of like derangement in bullshit

comes from below and at the

that they just get whitewashed no dude it comes all the way it comes from the top

like we can see how it all comes from the top you know it comes from

the kind of coll like the cia supporting

playboy magazine

is the same thing as only fans today

why not

not not like none of this is new none of this is fucking crazy new cutting edge stuff

it's literally the repetition of the same

over and over and over and over again

like

literally

being like a woke sex worker

like cultural liberal with like you know being like maybe i'm like i'm even not even like let's ask let's talk about both sides of communism or whatever

like the real last liberals

those are real last liberals right real st liberals are often the ones who are like ok yeah let's

let's actually talk about the soviet union or communism even more so that i can talk about how it's even worse th the system you knoww do you know what

ya

but i'll give it like the benefit of the doubt so like you that's how you know i'm like a real ass fucking liberal

so like yeah i support democratic socialism and i think that everyone should have the freedom to have a playboy magazine

we should abolish the family i think it's a little questionable you know

that this politics isn't revolutionary none of this politics is new

this politics is the creation it's the coming to fruition of this sort of social liberal

socially liberal

but above all else

identity

individualism

which is based on like fundamentally like

you you're maximizing your rights to

to pursue happiness

or to pursue satisfaction to pursue your desire youunit is the real

the real idiology but you know here's what is so sad

blook

this isn't just true for the liberals it's also true for

i think almost everyone in america right

this revival of socialism communism

has nothing to do with any kind of real link

to these traditions

it has everything to do

with

this being the quintessential form of political satanism

short of nazism

the break

but these liberals they will call themselves socialists they call themselves communists

not because that's actually what they are but because the right wing in america specifically the

the the republicans

have fearmongered about socialism and communism for years and years and decades and decades

it and in the same way that they fearmongered about satanism i mean the republican and stuff

the left

a so called left

they just adopted this and it's like a statement of defiance against

you know the the the so called the

conservatives it's a way of transgressing

they

they call themselves communists only in so far as for them it triggers

republicans if they had any notion of

real communist history anything like that

they would be the

it would call it fascism the they wouldn't find a distinction between it and what they consider in their head

to be fascism

but

you know these specific letters

you want to know something

so this channel is a marxist leninis channel right

from the very beginning

the ones who have

given us

trouble

we're leftists leftoids

we didn't get any trouble from right wingers i mean the

they may have not ned o is they're the real bad

they're the worst

no yeah this is this is something

i like i want to i'm going to go down this is like a hot take right

but if you want to look at

who is doing the real analysis of like the media

as it as a material institution of like a institution running it like

capitalist

like pet interests

sociological social engineering

fucking

creating consumer profiles

all this sort of stuff like following this like the are like you know that like marketizing sexuality and like you know

turning it into you know all these sorts of things like that a lot of the cultural liberal project is really just creating new fucking fields for capitalism play and calling that liberation you don't

but

but like the real people following a lot of this

were like the christians in america a lot of like the countercultural like

under like this is why alex jones says a lot of things that are true

because there is this this this like

this authentic

american understanding of

the sort of to talllitarian nature of the liberal state

it's just that a lot of this

gets described as communism

what like that's the like when i think that a lot of the times when most people like the layman is calling something communism what they really mean is sort of like woodrow wilson liberal

internationalism

like they they're like the u n is a communist organization etc you know what i mean you know and it's ok so yet so i can actually work with that like yeah

like

if that's what you mean by communism like you mean like yeah then like this is

but it sucks

because like the opposition or whatever to that sort of system

also tends to call itself communism

so like you have here the two elite segments you have the like

liberal internationalists

who are like we are the real vanguard party of communism

so like the u n is really communism that's the troskyist that's like how you become neo cons fundamentally

on that sort of side of the left in america

is goud they go where the communist country the american like anglo liberal global order

is the most progressive force in human history we're liberating all the people

you know

all of the eurasian despots

like they're not actually in communist they're faith communists w're real com

right in history i

communists

you know this is what you mentioned about the right wingers being

you know this is all you know this is always been the case though it's always been the case even when it comes to socialism

most socialists

a mushroom thank you so much mushroom donated s donations

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but historically speaking

mm

socialism was very much

in large part at least was a reactionary phenomenon

it was a reactionary phenomenon and in great part not entirely i guess but in

in great part socialism was a very a

there was feudile was like people wanted to hold on to they wanted to know that it was it was it was anti modern phenomena socialism

marx marxism's rejection of

reactionaries and i guess conservt it depends on what we mean by conservatives right

in a sense i'm a kind of conservative right

but i guess the marxist opposition to conservatives of the time

was not that

they were some mortal enemies

if you actually read marxs and angles

if for example angles

ha published a review of thomas carlyle's book

and his his work

and what engle said was that

when you look at english literature today and you look at the wigs something like that the liberals of the time

you see

uh

you see people who are devoid of human reality they're devoid they're like a

they're like plants they're they're they're you know mechanical they're they're just not they're anti human

he said

you have to look at people like carlyle the tories to find any semblance of humanity of human feeling of

appreciation for world history for and engles was speaking as a german and you know

and the idea is basly again was they don't know anything about

you know the german philosophy the the

this kind of on

richness and wealth of mankind

it's expressed to german idealism

the germans think all the english have no notion of this kind of spiritual

debt

but engle said no among the

tories there is something there

a but the marxs marx in engles is rejection of

the conservatives i guess

was not that they were some kind of evil enemy but that

there

opposition to capitalism

and to modernity was a failure and a vanity

they understood why conservatives in reactionaries rejected capitalism rejected madernity

that made perfect sense to marx and was of course these are evil

the horrible things that are happening there's no dispute about that

marks and angles only a

difference was that they didn't believe that conservatives could ever be or i guess reactions could ever be successful

in overcoming it

but

would you have leftist to day his was disgusting leftist to day

but

sorry

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onm but anyway

what's disgusting about leftist today

is that they don't

think

this kind of uh

modernity or so called progress

is a something horrific and traumatic and bad

they just on ironically identify with it as good

you know like

oh yeah all of this b literally get off on it yeah yeah it's a sadism the for them oll this whole breakdown of reality this whole like

all that is holi is right

all this is a wonderful thing it's and i fully identify with it and i fully want to

you know perversely

embody incarnate this was never the marxis ion marxists never were out here saying that

the land inclosures

and all that kind of and you know the the british colonization of ireland all that kind of shit

oh allright sorry not conussation like the massacret glen cole and during you know the cromwell all that kind of stuff

oh yeah all those things are just great those are good

no mark is understood these are

these are disasters these are catastrophes these are

these are things where like the world ends for people where the world breaks down it's a horrific thing

marxis

are only associated with the

so called progressivism

because

they

insist that there's like some kind of life after death

right that

that the catastrophe of modernity somehow can be redeemed and turned into something

something else and can have a different meaning

but as to the question i would say i would say

dude i think it's worse than that i think it's much worse than that yeah

what i see it as is that the modern leftist like whatever we're fucking everyone knows what i mean like

i hate all this terminology itts so fuck because everyone use it twelve different ways and you have to say

as they would self describe as leftists in specifically america

when they're really just like radical liberals or whatever that's what i mean when i'm saying leftist

those people they don't see that there's really any problem

fundamentally

they just think that we actually need they actually need to force everyone to adapt to the techno cultural situation that they believe is already and they believe that like

it even worse like i they believe already

that like you know all these mutual aid networks etc that they're making by raising money at

even sort of as you were saying they think that like just doing that

just fully having everyone change like

take

conform perfectly to the new media infrastructure that we've created once everyone conforms to this

that

we can well well

like then we'll have communism

or whatever then we'll build a narcosyndicalism blah blah blah whatever the they think and you know it's even worse is that

they do consider

there being there's a problem

but to them the only problem

is the actual human beings the broad majority of people

who are experiencing these changes as a collapse of meaning and as a disasters a catastrophe

they consider them the problem that the people who were i guess youriting it during j january sixth the capital oh everything's fine we're on the run the long road to progress

we just have these bad undesirable elements you know actual humanity

who's getting in the way

ah populace with the fifty thank you so much ma'ampreciate it appreciate it so much ma'am

you have no idea man what it means thank you so much

appreciated

oh sorry i was a

yeah like because because they're that they're the people who aren't trying to liquidate the entirety of like

you all these people are you could call them digital natives or something right

like the there they're

they're so in masch

in this media infrastructure

that's the primary means of socialization i mean that's true of a more and more of us as each time goes on

but they're saying like

fundamentally that you know these backwards people who aren't on the cut bleeding edge of

of

creating their identity within the frames of this

a hyper modern infrastructure

like you know someone who you know maybe they just like listen to the fucking radio and they like don't have a t v because

they're like bible believing christians or whatever and they're like kind of

like gloodites even

to yeah like

those populations aren't even considered

like they're just consid they're considered like

leftover a the dinosaur species

that are just need to go extinct

right like they're not even considered like

like are is there a what way of life or anything worth preserving like there's not even a question

that like what like they're say it doesn't matter whether or not they're worth preserving like i don't have they don't just they don't exist on you tube

so

who fucking cares

that's

that's like the real leftist world like they have the sort of superiority

con liken superior fucking conception or whatever supremacy

but it's for

like the most

it's the most fashionable the most people the people both tied into

the identity construction on on

it's modern social media

yeah yeah precisely

h and it's almost a kind of um

i don't know if you can call it a genocidal attitude what do you call it where

you're getting to this point in which

instead of experiencing any type of self criticism whatsoever

the so called leftoids and the liberals alike

ior just h have this kind of extermination beus if we just get rid of these

as so call religious people and reactionary conservatives

everything will be fine we just need to get rid of them you know like we just need to

we need a

he writ you know

what else do you call that you know it's like

it epitomizes the worst

attitudes even of uh

colonialism european colonialism is precisely the

the kind of bomb

the kind of way of thinking that prevailed

and during the worst excesses of the

the british uh

against scotland and iland as thei lands and yeah the british empire

we're so good at at

getting

everyone for the most part to be like well they were the least bad form of colonialism

like you know i mean like this is so how these people argue at the end of the day its like they'll be like well you know like

maybe you're saying that i'm like a a narcosyndicalist but that's the least bad

form of communism like we have it like oh you we didn't have gulags or whatever because it last like my ideal society was this like

this tent someone put up in a state park for a fucking week and call it a micronation or something like that's

these are the way people these people argue

but their their views aren't are that they're not based in any sort of material reality or like a tradition to pass on

it's the tradition that they want to pass on is

having a completely custom fucking

identity creation video game fucking sliders

alter like fat fashion of

it's just customization world it's i want to be able to constantly you know fucking

update up update my my lue boxes and shit

that's

that's the real thing is like why why aren't there femolyle boxes like like i need more positivity and identity affirmation and all of my consumable products

and in my media because i don't have a reality that exists outside of these things

i think what we're witnessing is this kind of

you know the the movie of our time

is that stupid movie

sophia copola her marie antoinette movie

and the reason is this

she made marie antoinette into someone relatable

for

on a popular level right she's finally re all these girls can relate to her

but that's what it's a kind of a mass cretinization

and a mass uh i guess whats it called

marie antoinettea efication of

uh this kind of uh social media users

and people have this become this kind of

while at the same time they're indulging in all this consumption all these stupid cultural trends

they don't realize like they are literally as

oblivious as a

mariy antoinette there's literally people outside of the

the palace of versailles they just don't see them you know

oh no they're cheering on when those people died like this is what was really getting me did you see the leaked e mails from

the it's like the opioid case i forget i don't know if it was fucking pfizer or like the oxycodon pretty much for all these

i hold that thought once aegain i there all these

yeah

i just got it i do you find ity yeah

voidburn thank you so much for the twenty preciate a man it's like you said before has they are not or the masses they are afraid of them despise them even

i think your comparison of eurocentric neo colonials mentality to the western leftist one is accurate thank you ma'am appreciated woodbrin

but i'll starty wh i caing go on

yeah i found it i found it so i'll just read this a little this was a news that came out like a little bit like a week ago five days ago whatever

so uring the trial of pharmaceutical firms accused of illegally flooding west virginia with opioids

some of the e mails leaked

um they they ha there are people coming up with songs

about a poor mountaineer named jed who barely kept his habit fed

according to the verse jed traves travels to florida to buy hillbilly heroine

they have all these jokes

amongst themselves like talking about the pill billies who are making them rich

like there's e mails from within the staff talking about how like

i guess some of them have started to learn how to read once the lawsuit was coming up against his

like

these people like

i guarantee you those people like their pride pretty progressive and donating to a lot of course yes

that hundred percent price someone

like

that's the reality of the situation is that social liberalism is just this

factory for it's a if this position you take on so you can wlaunder all of your other

shitty and a horrific and dehumanizing opinions

and you can hold yourself as like morally above and superior to

people who have like potentially more socially conservative moras or moraut morality in their minds because it's like if you're a christian you can't really ever

justifiably

ha just adopt all of like the liberal social morts because you're committing yourself

to a good a truth that is revealed outside of your own personal preferences

it's not about like what you prefer to be true

if you have this sort of commitment to

a religion or a way of being

that is not just determined by the marketplace right

but these people that that's what they need to liquefy

they need all of these people to start adopting their right to create their identities as something to purchase in the market and not something that's even like

inherited or just like innate in or like even based on a sort of conviction

or

a conversion of some sort

that it's all supposed to be like yourself created

identity

like any identity that you're you're adopting

that isn't based on your fund like your sentimentality i guess

but based on like your reason even

like you know is

is that's reactionary right

these hill bellies like

they need to die off because they're always going to be hillbillies and hillbillies are always going to not be doing the right thing

like we need like they're never going to look they're never going to turn their identity

into like they're not going to become individuals like us

because you know they're not arguing about what's what's the right form of leftist anarchy or whatever the

in but we know though that

this whole complex which is weighing upon

this conservative rule america

ah

the paradoxically parasitically relies upon

the same people it wants to demonize

genoc in this genocidal way like

it has

it's alliberalism i say liberal culture

has no substance

it can only and you can makes this point he's onorsent right

it can only define itself in relation to the negation of traditions

but when it is a

faced with the reality of the

of uh inventing something new some kind of new uh

tradition some kind of new norms some kind of new mors

it must invent them

and artificially

which creates some kind of a

strange uh quote unquote totalitarianism like

everything is created from scratch all of our behavior is created from scratch all of the ways we interact as human beings

has to be legislated now

contractually and explicitly

from scratch

well those the way i put it like that it's not even that we're given orders that it be actually less to talllitarian in my opinion if we just got talking what the marching orders were

like this is the new reality like this is what all of the fucking major industr industrialists in the billionaires of all fucking decided is going to happen

and you're just going to shut up and fuck and do it no

we don't do it that way what we do is we create like

we create the situations like we organize like the architecture

of the space that you inhabit

to funnel you

towards certain des ands and decisions

and like because the because when you when you feel the sense that you're making decisions

for yourself

that you're really fun you're actually just following like a trail that's been laid out for you

and like you know it's like in disney world like

the musics the music's scientifically the

like designed to like sound like to propel you in a specific direction or it's like the way

course

here's out where it's like

these colored lines on the ground are going to draw traffic

over to hear what this sort of behavioral engineering

is really

what is like

that's what we're up against right

because that is what

really sorts people out and that's what creates

even the sense that people are people take it ownership

of their of their of being guided through life

all the time

like

they're being guided

in their decisions and in their interpretations of things

but every but like

that's the heart biggest hurdle to get over is

having being able to be like oh like i

getting fucking dube

like i'm capable of being duped

like i'm not that smart

you know what i mean like i fall in for this stuff like oh they got me

like when like the marketers actually got to me

you know what i mean

like me

when we deny that we are suggestible

that's

that's the real problem of liberalism it's like

this idea that like

you know

i guess they make they make some sort of clauses for like you know if you're a true like elite liberal then you're not suggesting

you

you t

gott rid of all the suggestibility inside of you

and now you can program the people who are suggestible

so that they can you know

well it's not just ability it's just trusting the science you know it's just a

it's rejecting fake news and trusting the science the true authorities you know

that's being a critical thinkers when you uncritically accept whatever the people in power tell you

that's a critical that's critical thinking

yeah i mean um

you know it is this new kind of h reflexivity this new mindfulness this new conscientiousness where

people see fit

what we have in common

all everyone politically has in common is a breakdown of

trust and guarantee in what the t v is telling us more or less right

so on the one hand you have people who are coping and saying oh the t v was always right we just have a few coveots we have to add and some detours we have to explain

these are the people who who have the

they love fouchi and they trust the science oase kind of people

then on the other hand you have the q and on and the other kinds of people who

are seeing a

that this is just the tip of the iceberg the rabbit hoill goes much much deeper

no

that

and yeah

they're the close they're closer to the truth though

absolutely absolutely they are they are absolutely

i mean i don't i think the

w it wait sorry we just got some breaking news blue hair reported you for what

what are you talking about

sorry we just have these weird

which people that

stockers

sorry uh continuing though

h yeah they are um

i don't know uh some qee and on to me seems like uh

it's

created from above right

specifically and it also spes what i mean that's what i mean it was guiding that sort of

that a legitimate a legitimate situation a legitimate reaction to the situation that was based on like a same response where it's like

oh this stuff is all fucking fake and it is being controlled by people

like that's a legitimate response there's a you feel that way for a good reason

rape

but that discontent is then

like again like

curated and filtered and directed through the sort of like r p g

like this is why i think that like again i'm bringing tying it all back

to the fucking improv comedy thing right

because like that' sort of

what the whole uan on thing was was like we're going to set

the basic lines of the scenario with a lot of things open to interpretation and then people that open to space

for people to like yes and

this proposition and in this scenario to develop

puing your ongy of it

the difference is i can actually have a conversation with those people

i cannot talk to you

the doctor fouy lover type of people who

or the the trust the signs bump i i mean

i can't talk to them like i literally can't have i can't have a conversation with

those type of people but i can talk i can i disagree with them but i can talk to those two and on people you know i can

we can when we'll agree about a lot of things and i can i

you know

yeah i can know these the liberals don't actually believe in anything yeah at the end of the day

they bre or open the tensions or everything it's like it's like taking them when you talk to leftoids and liberals

you're not really talking to a human being you're talking to a c c t v camera

you know

that's really the truth of the matter

they never actually acknowledge the fact that

you know at the end of the day we're both human and

whatever's going on up there we really don't fucky knowo you know

that's what i that's

i you know cu and on people they understand that but when you talk to these like liberals or leftoids

it's literally a c c t v camera that just

embodies some kind of

official line and there's

no way to get through that and actually talk to them as human beings

you know

yeah they'll just call you like a terrorist or something for like not but like oh you don't believe this like you don't trust this

oh like why like how what do you like you know what i mean

that that's all they have like they're just

they're just conform they're perfectly conform to the machine and honestly the perfect liberal

but the end goal of liberalism when you finally ascend as like a complete like perfected liberal youre

being apatheosized into the heavens of liberalism you realize that

there actually aren't answers to anything

and that there's just always these tensions and you know they go which way or whatever who does and

the only thing that you really know is

but that no one knows anything which is why we all need to be able to talk about it

we also need to make sure that people don't try to

to

to shut down our conversations you know this is also the kind of the

what you can look at this and in many ways like you can look at it in terms of the

even something like the philosophy of science right

like

with the a british kind of view is the

with empiricism is that there nonetheless the

reality is empirical you can feel it you can touch it andn look at it whatever it's like

it's observable right

at the american view is actually a

it's exactly what you said this kind of what is the structure based on tension i forget the name

and

the ten segrety ten segrety yees

that's also how they view it philosophy of science like you know when the philosophy of science

they no one actually believes there is the object is empirically

verifiable anymore

of empirical verified

verifiability is a very archaic view

what they now believe is that there's a st structural it's this

the reality the consistent reality isn't measuring some kind of

empirical object but just the very structural ah

the very consistency whate whatever that object is gives to the structure

the apparatus that's observing it it's structural realism all that kind of stuff

that's that's also the view in the pilosohy of science it's also the view in the

analytic philosophy in general right

uh we don't they don't speakh it's kind of like functionalism exactly yeah it's

uh it's no longer this kind of uh

even impiricism is too metaphysical

w the american view you know

yeah because like what's great is empiricism if you go far enough

with empiricism this is like why haman

translated hume to cont

was because if you go far enough with empiricism then you doubt like causality and things like that eventually you have to like

then affirm like the data you receive from your senses or however you want to put it

as being a kind of revelation from an ultimate reality

so you end up just confirming like

normal the like normal earleast pretty normal christian theology at the end of the day

that like

you do it like you receive revelation from ultimate reality

like you know i mean like and that's why we have like common sense

that like that's how any like

because we actually are like

are seeing and things isn't like

entirely faulty like you know things have like fallen to a degree

but like you do engage with an ultimate reality like directly

yeah this was also kind of uh

what spinoza

what about um

i'm sorry what k thought about spinoza right

not in terms of empirical relation but in terms of the intuition for con

spinoza thought you could just directly access

the sublime reality

with no discontinuity just directly thugh by means of the intuition

and

so uh

it's interesting also this is kind of a detour this like super big detour but it's also interesting that there's a strange

kind of uh how should i put it

proximity to me between hume and spinoza and under

developed the proximity

to me both of them bear in common this

they give expression in different ways to a similar

similar object or similar substance

yeah i just i would call it like this is they're like road signs on like the the

they're like steps on the way to nihilism

yeah i think that like precise nihlism is the

is the ultimate culmination of

the enlightenment project

and nihilism again like term invented by like jacoby and haman

to describe like

there

their opposition to spinoza

basically

um

because they're saying that spinosas is like another just direction towards nihilism it' all culminate and like a sort of nihilist

a cosmicism even

and i think that i see that play out all the fucking time

like i honestly think you know

whit

we're like that like nihilism being a reallasted fucking nihilist

is the ultimate liberal expression right like they were like if you wanted to be

the best pundit politically right now

you would want to believe in absolutely fucking nothing

and you'd want to just have really a really good ability to like pantomime and like ride trends

and keep

your exact

interpretations or like

a loyalties to things very

uh

accluded and like kind of

difficult to parse

but like just writing the moment at any given time

i mean the perfect nilist

of course i mean uh

if you you know when you think about it's like

nothingness right this kind of moment of negation

is also the moment of reflexivity right it's where we become detached from reality

and we we

we dwell in a reality kind of above

whatever maybe the real one is right

and of course the the object of

enlightened and maybe even renaissance that's a little bit more complicated i guess more and the world more ambiguous to be honest

is is this neosm according to which the only reality consists in the

yes

is the

detachment because

when you think about it

the way in which reality is mediated to us

a involves a certain moment of that very reality'es negation

and with he enlightenment and with modernity

we cease to differentiate the way in which reality is a

certain to us and

mm

reality itself

what reality is itself

o

any any certainty of

any certainty of

just objectivity that something is out there

is associated with some kind of oriental fanaticism

which is why communism from the get go

maybe not from the getko but at least in russians

the geto was is filtated with typical uh oriental fanaticism like these communists

truly do believe there's something there there's something beyond some kind of

sublime right

it's a you know it was very easy for

the west western thinkers to just look at that and be like o ok yeah that's just

a return of the

the turks or something

you know

or the gangas khan yeah yeah

well it goes you know but like you can go really far back and look at like the boxer rebellion or a lot of these other like uprisings and stuff

and i

you could see like

like these are the people who like you know they are moving history forward because the they were willing to like risk their lives for something whereas like i don't think

like what are look at the idiology of today as

nowadays like the american soldier

will risk their lives

to become a soldier

to fulfill their self id like to filfill their personal

world meeting or whatever they're not even doing it like in you look at like an ad for joining the chinese army and it's like

like serve the people

you look a an ad for like the american army and it's like

manifest your dreams at the army you know

that cartoon ad or whatever

that the was that the c was was the military there was like this cartoon of what there's no there's the d o d yeah they had one too yeah yeah

it's

absolutely fucking

it's just that hideous aesthetic you know just absolute hideous aesthetic

but that's like supreme nihilism to it where it's like where it's sort of like almost

where it's like oh yeah like i know the american military you know whatever

it does some good and it does some bad you know it's hard to say

uh but i'm i'm doing that i'm doing good work and the people that i work with there we're all doing good stuff

and and you know what i get health care and after this i'm going to go work for a think tank

you know i will a big fan the way i see l g b t being integrated in the military

the reason it doesn't

i don't even make anything of it because

look

if you look at

you know the whole abu gharb

scandal right

in iraq

if you if you looked at the way the soldiers were treating those prisoners

they were manifesting the quintessential free

cartesian subject

they were engaging in all these obscenities it was all a joke they were laughing they were making fun scenarios of it

why not include l g b t among them why can't they also be h trans or lesbian what like's it's just an extension of the same kind of amorphous

a substanceless subject

which has been a

which is the which is the american military from the very beginning you know

a

like

well listen man

you got a bunch of people who are really tech savvy

who studied sociology or something in college gender studies whatever

very online extremely good at collecting intel encounter intel

amongst their fucking like discord things

to have multiple identities

right and have managed

living with multiple identities

they want to get government health care so that they can get transition surgery and this is their skill set

who's hiring these fucking people

who do you think wants these people

who do you think like

this idea that like oh

it's almost just like trivial that it's specifically trans people or whatever no like in like the new in the new

game of like cyber warfare or whatever

these people are vastly over represented amongst like computer scientists and and the hackers and and things like this it's like part of like this countercultural

thing that is trying that like

this is the

what's being instrumentalized here

is

is that

there's all these people there's a lot of people there's a that's a whole class of people

right like everyone knows who i'm talking about and thinking about

yeah yeah i mean m

uh ya i mean uh

it's it just goes to show though that

all the kind of political alignments we take for granted right now in america

i mean

i all like for for you just mentioned like nick fentees he wants to

he talking about new king china

well you don't see this shit in china you know you won't find this dumb bullshit in china or or russia or whatever

so it's like

that's why i say that currently in america the current political distinction between right it's completely meaningless you know these people don't know what

you know these people don't even know what they want anymore they don't even know what they're about anymore

you know

they don't know that what the country they live in is yeat this is what i'm saying is like

like

we can't like they don't even have

an understanding of the country

that they live in and what it really is

and like how it really works

and what it exists to do

and like the part and like the bok global kind of networking of like the british empire or whatever however you want to put it

five eyes all these people

how all this was set up

what it exists to do

and

like if you don't understand that shit

if you don't even understand the country in which you reside and the time in which it was actually founded

like you know you think that this is all like everything that's happened in the twentieth century is just like

oh you know random you know people's protests from like you know things just happening you know whatever we get we got some rights

or something

because people complained about it on the news

im

this this sort of non history a historicism

means that whatever you come up with is going to essentially affirm the actual reality that you have no clue or contact

that's it

so

it doesn't really matter what anyone's saying if they don't if they're not talking about actual fucking history

if they're not like listen mke look

you look at the fucking people who are in charge here

let's look at the names

let's fucking network this out

who was paying you for what

that's the only like that's the basis

for a conversation about what we live in

as a country

if you don't do that shit

we don't have that shit

we're not talking about that stuff

then we're just

we're just engaging in like

a theatrical production of sentiments

and we're just trying to produce like

sentiments that we can capitalize right that's pretty much it

yeah i mean um

it's also important to network

because when we use the word estatush we also have to think

what

more precisely are we talking

if we can know names if we can know the institutions we can know

our hurdles we can know our own obstacle

like we can know what stands in our way bas

yeah but it's like

this is like pretty much all of the false futures all the fake utopias

that exist on like the right or the left

you know i was liking when you you were making fun of like all of the vapor wave influenced fucking

aesthetics on on every side of the the extremists or whatever on the internet

like it's all the same aesthetic vocabulary like all these people are the the same they're

but from the same social milluss

they just go they just like

uh decide on different aesthetics right like

you know that's the real difference is is uh it's it's like a lunch room and you pick your

you pick your subculture

your little subcultural phantom table or whatever and you define yourself by these specific fashion choices maybe

what language you use

but that's about that's about it

the class relations are all the same all these people are all the same

well went to this you know

fucking overly internet socialized

diing

internet people

you know that's just the type of person now

and

fundamentally

more similar than not

a all over the spectrum

but we create all these false visions amongst ourselves

so that we have something to

you know fight over

and you know once you and you you create these territories right you create this little overton window map like

and you claim like i own this territory like i'm the

the best liberal or whatever

early i'm the best democratic socialist and h

it's five times you n knoww and like

were we're actually literally larping

on this virtual reality plane

of the confines of liberal discourse

like

and we've turned it into a fantasy kingdom you like

people it's fucking wild man we're playing d and d

on that like this

this

lit this like liberal discourse map

and it's like everyone's casting spells at each other man

like it that's the reality of it

but i still nonetheless think something is going on you know with this kind of irt like

this in it is going somewhere in terms of the

the evolution or even dissolution of

liberalism

you know like

i always uh

like to remember that

the virtual has a dialectic relation with the actual

you

um

so to me it's like yeah well it like feeds into itself because but the thing is is that like

it matters because what people believe

what they believe like the waight the the world that they imagine they're acting in

also determines how they act in the world

right like there is that sort of yeah

the relation

so

this is like the thing if people believe

that they live in the sort of video game cosmology and that like if you have a political opinion

you can either you can define it on a scale of authoritarian to libertarian left or right

and then you know you just define yourself in that little category you look on a wikipedia the total category of like oh i'm a

i'm a libertarian socialist

so i'm going to go to the libertarian socialism section and it's going to list all these different things

and i'm going to like go pick and choose which one i think is the rattest aesthetic for me to fuck and play up as

i'm going to read those specific things

and i'm going to pretend to get involved in m

debates that happened in the one nine hunentred century and pick a side where i'm like actually i think bkunan was right in this letter as you see

and and this is

this is it that's it but youn and you to see the same thing with being on the fe right you're like you're like

well you know actually

hitler was not even really a national socialist i'm more of a fan of anglbert dolpus and you know and etc et cetera

this is a that's what it is it's little phantoms and fan clubs

like where we're all fucking harry potter houses man

and we'll we need to burn it down we need blow it up the that's the only

that's it that's all i got here's the interesting thing though you know

i was told in china

it's more explicit what you're describing when on the internet in china

people will literally

mm

debate each other

about the gilt form

identities and clubs in the factions

based on history like

like the ottoman empires and there's going to be who are pro ottoman their anti and this is not a contemporary issue it's just based on his

right

you'll you'll find so much of that h in i'm told in chinese internet

but here's the difference is that

in china everyone recognizes that at the end

at the end

there is a real center that is somehow

h determinate and partial it's the

the state the chinese state and the communist party right

that is the ultimate kind of a center the ultimate point of reference everyone recognizes they're just within that

no one thinks

online on the chinese internet you know no one really thinks they're outside of that they all recognize we're a part of this

policy

this is what's deranged about america and the american internet is that

everyone thinks that this little h

a conflict going on in the internet

that this is actually the site of real

conflict of political yes like they actually think this is where

history ho politics is happening

they don't understand a no you are all immersed in the same

ality basically you are all just

you are all in the same egg

right you're just cracks on the same egg

you know

you can put it

yet it's the only type of power they understand right it's just because of how alienated and how literal litterle

anyone has like even a

even like a boomer who bought a house or something there at least have like an understanding of politics where it's like i own things

yeah you know

whereas like even now in a millenniual they came be like listen like real estate prices that's the basis of like real

history is or whatever because

they don't own anything

they have nothing what they have

is their identity

that they've created on the internet

that is our property

and we don't even own those because those can be taken away from us at any time

with like no real

real

like we can't do anything you know and that's why

for us we've always said the real essence of socialism is land reform

and when we say land reform we don't necessarily maybe it does mean that i don't know doesn't necessarily mean

reparsalization of agricultural land but it is this

fundamental

ah

redistribution or reparsalization of ownership over the policy like actually having

some kind of meaningful equity

equity yes some kind of meaningful equity in the po we they're ruining that word i don't know if you've noticed this ay yeah i know i has been adopted it's like now it means like uring the meaning some social justice bullshit basically

they mean by now

it sucks so bad dude yeah

it sucks so bad

because there's a no better word for what we actually want pretty much es

again we want a fucking own

it's parts of

to the country like for i'll give you an example like in china for example they're changing it now but

how it used to be in chinae that

the equity of the this is why china is a people's republic because everyone has some kind of equity in the form

of uh they have

family and the basis of family not individuals some kind of a lease there's no no one owns land in china you know but

you have the rights to the use exclusive rights to the use

of um

agricultural land smallholding of farms and pretty much everyone in china

add that

's at some point that was their equity right and on that basis they were wealth was able to be built

now they're changing because they want to change the agricultural policies and they want to give people a

single unit apartments homes and that's going to be their equity but

none less there's this is why there's a you know it's a people's republic it's socialism

because

the chinese people have an equity in the state they actually

not only in the form of those ownerships either but also in the form of the fact that the

there as economic subjects

a the state serves them the state

only acts on their behalf you know

a but in america there's yeah and i mean in america there was an informal equity not a formal equity

but an informal equity

and that equity

was

the union that unionized blue collar industrial post war job

that was the end you know you could have your house

your white picket fence

your lawn your car and you could raise a fshwasher yeah precisely

that a dishwasher laundry machine refrigerator exactly canned food mass produceed food you go to your grocery store of a car this yes the this this was the unwritten

economic

social contract of a

american socialism quote unquote righte

this has completely collapsed

and it's gone there's no more meaningful equity

americans have in the state whatsoever i this is the whole reason behind the trump phenomenon everything like that

so in a sense actually

the american state no longer has a material basis because every state

believe it or every state has a basis and some kind of equity on the part of its population that's why it has a basis right

that's how states survive that's how they subsist

the american state has zero material basis zero there's no

the roots

the soil of the american people

do not to reproduce the american state

they enter into contradiction with the american

american state

as a matter of fact like as we saw with the

the wacko seas in the a t f and all that kind of

shit you know

so the american state is just like baseless in a way right it

doesn't really have a material basis we live it

it's virtual reality man it's virtual reality like that's what's

all of these themes just come back together for me over and over and over again

like the development of like game theory roleplaying like game mechanics in like the development of like therapeutic psychology and like psycho guided psychodramas

improv comedy

fucking

video games

social media all of this stuff cybernaddicts

it all comes together

to create

this hypervirtual reality

like what we actually own in america our concept of america the thing people are defending when they talk about america

is

this virtual reality

is existing in this virtual reality and one of the things

that that virtual reality gives you

is a distance

and an ability to not be concerned with

or or

even attempting to understand

reality beyond that virtual reality

you know what americans don't want is to be confronted with the fact that they know almost nothing about the fucking world

they know almost nothing about the history of the world

that they're actually an extreme minority

when it comes to the amount of people like people who have existed in time or even people on the planet at the given moment

and that their concerns and like that it's just this

pit of narcissism just endless narcissism and nihilism

like that is what

people don't want to confront

that is why people hold on to the virtual reality

because if you hold it on to this virtual reality you don't have to confront the nihilism

at the buckt root of it all

you know and another thing too is that

you know it's very clear as well

that

this virtual reality is the lasting significance of america

globally i mean

america will

america's last its last stand in the world the last dialect of the world's going to enter in

into in with america

is the internet it's it's the way in which

the internet the global internet

abstracts people

from their communities from their

nations from their cultures from their realities and kind of

introduces this kind of modern cartesian doubt

in regards to the whole of reality

to the peoples of the world i think

w'll continue to struggle

it's not the american liberal age is not quite over i think i think

peoples of the world are still going to struggle with

the last

vestige of americanism which is

at the global internet

it's this kind of on

reality of social but i think we're ting to yeat china to me all we're going to make the two thousand look like nothing man that's what yeah i fear

oh yeah yeah

but i think i still think china points the way to

for the first time i

the kind this kind of d americanization of the virtual reality like

the virtual reality somehow becomes reconciled

with a determinate

civilization and particular reality

so on it's one

so

we see in china a model for

uh

kind of post apocalyptic

the ability for civilizations to survive

the disaster that is america

yeah what they've been able to do is like

they've a

been able to take all of this stuff and reoriented towards the public good

because

the state dominates

the other the market

that's

that it's like that simple right

but like we are we can't even do anything about it because

fundamentally because

our means of volition like through the state

which is like the representative of the people in time or whatever

doesn't have the power to do that

it doesn't have like

we can't actually change things

oh yeah

definitely you know it's

we can't do it

a thiss notven close to feasible no i mean no one really thinks

no one really you know

really wants to admit that they consider biting their president

even the liberals that support biden

we'll tell you that oh yeah you know biden he's got his problems he's not really you know

it's just they've all cynically resigned and accepted the fact

maybe for the first time that we really don't control

was in charge you know

maybe we control they still think we they like it that way

yes

maybe that maybe we don't want to fattle back to that way

maybe we control the fact that

trump

is not president

but we don't really control who our president is you know it's like they choose them for us and we

then argue about who we want to choose you know like they choose

our candidates

and we argue about which which one we should

we should we

endorse you know

no one really believes they're actually choosing them you know

yeah i mean and you know n things hard to say all loyally believe in a nihilist culture and no one no one even believes even when it came to voting nobody argues about who they're voting for

what people argue about now on the internet is who they endorse everyone fucking thinks

that there's some kind of super pac important person like ok who am i going to give my endorsement to like everyone thinks there's some kind of fucking

you know important

big your head or so their brint

yeah everyone thinks there are pets yeah e everyone's a brand

and they're arguing about who's the better candidate to endorse you know all those fucking people debating about

should we vote or bid in or

not you're not actually

debating about who to vote for you're debating about who you're endorsing and you're fucking endorsements you're debating about what poster you're going to hang in your bedroom exactly exactly yeah that's what it all fucking comes down to you know

it's like no's all just this like fatisization of

of commerce ultimately

like it's like

you have to be able to how m i expressing myself what endorsement do i have like what button badge

am i going to wear it doesn't matter about what any of it means

it's just it has its own meaning in the interrelations of like the

the social capital market or however you would put it

like wherever the trends are going identifying like

marketing demographics

that's really the whole point of like that you'r endorsement or whatever

is like

if you're if you're being savvy i think there are people who try to be authentic

but i think most of the time like

that's

if you're if you're trying actually to be authentic i will know that by how many times you get fucked over

by people or like scapegoated for something or whatever

that's really how you can tell if someone's being authentic is if they keep like making moves that almost everyone would say are objectively bad to make it like the social media sphere

like

oh that that that's really bad locok or whatever

that's that's someone who's being more authentic when you when there's someone who's like

always

picking the thing

and always on like you know they never never ahead of the curb but always perfectly on the curb like once it's

something's picking up that's when their endorsement goes through whatever

that's the real savvy person in the market here

yeah i mean um

you know here's something i worry about too is like

so many people will just get the platformed you know

and

how do you survive in this environment without selling out

you know

that's something i'm always worried about like

because honestly we if we're going to make this like viable

we just can't get thep platforms you know but

the same time

it's becoming so excessive so

you know

fucking crazy that

it would like with this you know with the snap of your fingers you could just be

removed right and then

people might still have the satisfaction that oh yeah well

at least there's alternatives that are out there

but

you're really not out there like in in determinate way you know in a way that's clear to p

so

i don't know

i mean it's not one decision is the real fuck thing is that

it's

perpetual decisions all the time and like the more success you have or whatever

the more of those decisions are going to be decisions that

you can't even really make

an hour

right am like

like someone like joe rogan or whatever at a certain point you're making like a bunch of money and you're like a name or something

and now you have to have x cia agents on to pass off their like you know what i mean if he wasn't willing to play along

to a degree if he was like a little bit to asking too many questions or you know whatever

that's

then you're going to be selected against like very early on

like we don't live in a dumb system where things happen randomly and blindly it's actually that all of the insanities of our system are come from like the over determination of it's like algorithmic sorting of everything

that's my theory and that's whatly shocks me is like

why are

like why have we gone on this far like

i mean infrared the show

why has this been able to go on for like months this say

at which

because i mean we live stream with a lot of compared compared to like our subs and

followers we have a pretty good amount of viewers you know

and

i we have to have been noticed by someone you know by some

something you know

that's just

i don't know

mean the fact that well you'll see men

yh

you'll see if you actually keep going if you keep going and it gets better it's only going to get harder

yes it's only going to be more and more

like actually you're most free

really

i think

when you're in this sort of condition right now

where you're like on the outskirts and kind of

for instance like when you're debate with people and they're like i don't even know if you're trolling or not

that is the perfect spot to be in

yeah yeah

you aren't the algorithms can't even fucking determine

where what you are through expand b that is what you want to be

yeah

that's actually so true that's what i try to stay they can't categorz i think that's one of the reasons i got so triggered

when like i had a bunch of people starting calling me a nosbul it's not really be caause like

i'm offended it's just be cause like

you're trying to fucking categorize me and it's honestly not what i what i am it's like not what we are you can't you know we're not

we're not coming from there but

it's the fact that they thought they

they found like the secret formula to

what we're about the go yeah they're just nosles like no i mean

i don't know i know they found the spot on the quadrant on the you know the little window pane it's like th yeah they found right to left

they gt you they put you right at the top of just pure authoritarian because

because you because you're and then they went that's the same that's just nazism plus

my friend that's naziism plus

and that's where you are and that's what you know if you're on that side of the spectrum then you're a hitler and st on and

that's what that guy is he's on the he's his dungeons and dragons alignment

was fucking evil lawful evil

that's whathre he is

he picked lawful evil he's like a dark palatin for the evil to talll tarian regime of stalin

that's he picked that character in our larping classes here

that's this is how they think it's literally like r p g fucking

mechanics

they're like

in dealignment bro i'm fucking i'm fucking i'm a i'm a rogue a narco liberal you know what i love is people on twitter or you tube who make their profile picture

literally there

there

their position on the political compass

like they actually like ah so you know what i am like

and they're all those people are always

bottom left somewhere bottom left right

people who do that yes they're always bottom lest

they always you have his sea ins bottom left because

but i think bottom left might be the only one

on that hoole

that whole quadrant i guess

who really do believe in the quadrants and its validity like they actually think the quadrant they need to because the're there they define all the rest of them as being like

like

opposed to them or whatever yeah if they're the natural position

the're like it's it's this naive pseudo russeauan

conception of like the noble savage lived in the green corner of the libertarians left corner of the that's you know that's like

that was adam adam and eve lived in the fucking libertarian left green corner

political compass

let's

but we have to just get back there yeah honestly it is it really is because it's like

it really is' like it's like harry potter that's the main protagonist he's on bottom left everyone else is an asphot

you know like

is could harry pots you know harry potter possibly be on the right side no he fucking couldn't

could he be like on the

authoritarian no he couldn't

you know like he had it's always the fucking bottom

bottom lest man he's pred to his pred to be went to a good school his parents a cia agents you know he's

he but he but he grew up kind of poor he was like downwardly mobile

but

has the elite pedigree to a degree

he got into the dude like it's all fucking there like all of these structures just raify themselves like

over and over and over again because

this is like how our culture is created you know i'm looking

fantasy gamer an arcola i who have this vision of themselves as

living in like this ideal feudile middle ages where

that like but like that's like their conception of true communism or whatever is being a fucking peasant

you know i actually came up though with like an idea of the political

compass

and i think it's the called the criss cross theory of politics so to me

the diagonal squares are secret they have like a secret dialectic re es dude yeah dude let me get my threat on this i wrote a thing about how did you at really

you can't be the same thing

yeah yeah yeah holy shit yeah that'singk ho do you think about how how and caps and marxists are like stalinist like we're just talking today also about like ron paul stalinism yeah how those people they have the same

understanding like the authoritarian left quote unquote in the libertarian right yet unquote

actually have the same hermanutic and so do left libertarians and the like right liberals are like you i swear to god i didn't caugt the fuck of you i didn't know you do that's focking brilliant i swear you when i say you know it was like months ago i said that ontream it was like

the criss cross theory of politics

yeah

a

where i wrote a whole thing about

how

there hermanutics are like the same but they have inverted

outputs

how do i put this

like the authoritarian left

are pragmatists

the liberal left

or idealists

the authoritarian right or idealists

but the libertarian right are pragmatists

yeah yeah like

yeat so that's like that's one of the main like swapover points

if you think about it that way

because

that's

that like that the

like i think that in some ways this is like whit dangism makes sense and s yeah total it's the best cy to

and that's why i t people don't like sd like ron paul i was watching ron paul you should pull this up some time to watch it is ron paul in one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight fucking destroying william f buckley

it's so good

because

rob pauls like we don't need the f b i we don't need the cia we should fucking liquidate all of these things he's fucking saying like abolish the police basically it's like nine hundred eighty eight

and william f buckley is talking about how we really need that the cia

like how we absolutely need the cia it's the bst open conversation about the actual structure of the american government

that maybe was ever televised i think i was it was blowing my mind when i watched this again know people don't get either is that

you know

people think china is like a super authoritarian country

but

functionally like actually

as long as you don't commit treason against the sovereign

china's very libertarian even politically you know

you don't you're not getting harassed abutr tax rate

yeah and and

and you're not getting harassed by authorities as in every your do you get left alone as long as you know you follow your customs

china is a country where they have an actual civilization where like

they don't have to fucking police the population twenty four seven

you know you can trust people to get people people just like yeah i guess the government's doing fine that's why they have a whole high approval rating

because they don't have people

plugged into

the mockin nations

of

the capital city

or whatever yeah yeah

it's like people in the chinese

people in the chinese countryside it's like

in a sense they govern themselves as far as like actual what does it actually mean to govern right

a it doesn't only mean to like liquidate

threats against the central state because yeah the

they don't necessarily do that themselves but

mes just how do you regulate your everyday life they they do it themselves you know they don't have fucking cop and america you can't go outside in america without a fucking cop car

or cops

just

buzzing around you know and always making you fucked nervous you know

yeah

i don't this is like whre i'm saying like like i was like a roan paul guy

like pretty strongly when i was younger like that was the most

i wasn't like invested i guess in my mind in like a candidate and it was mostly just because my main idea in my entire life my main framing for politics has always been geopolitical

and specifically about foreign policy

is like what i always cared about when i was looking at these things

and i've realized how much

like that is one of the least prioritized things right

like even bernie sanders is a fucking warhawk compared to ron paul

like you look at like who voted to go into the balkans or whatever

it wasn't ron paul ron fucking paul is like the old school old stock

american people tradition

which was just like

decentralizing

think like there's i have a lot of problems with like the austrian economics or were on the sts side of as as someone who grew up

from a bit from a background they just made i'm not like a

but we knowt one of those woke people but

just naturally i was someone who was just naturally disposed to being

against the

government and

the war machine like you know the invasion of the middle east it's like my background whatever

listen

i'm going to tell you this in a completely neutral objective unbiased way cacuse i didn't grow up with

political commitments pre made

when

the person in america growing up who who i considered

to like actually pose a threat to the government and to the war machine in shit

that was ron paul it was only ron paul it was ron paul alexones all those fucking people

they were only one stronghole

what it

yeah b like i got so fucking mad at the birnie people

because i'm like bitch

do you refukn remember what they did to rob paul in two thousand and eight yet what they did to bernie was nothing

compared to what they did to rom pauls like thousand the people who were critiquing

the wars and shit it's like

i wasn't looking at left ooids and i'm saying i came from like a background which was like

not politically biased to begin with

left woords to me were like spooky you know left words were like

all this must be like you know these are people

weere part of the fucking hole

establishment whatever

like ron paul was the guy who i was looking at it'd be like

i don't it just seemed like he actually posed a threat and he actually was speaking out against

the status quo and like yeah man way you know ben a lot of his positions are now just rephrased using like wok language and they're actually worse positions on the same issues like a oh i don't doubt likem paul was talking about like drug legalization and stuff like that in the mother fucking eighties ok he was going on to like

christian conservative talk radio shows and getting like

blasted

for for being like pro weed legalization or like whatever in the time period where the war on drugs was like kick like really fucking kicking off

like

hard

like

that was a hard time to be like pro for holding that position

these days like a f in fact

a lot of the democrats all the people on the left at the time

wouldn't have held the same position for the most part because they cared more about being acceptable

to like civil society and so they would take like a moderate position sorts of things

romb paul

s say what you will about some of his positions on a lot of the on the most important things when it comes to like

militarization the proreop police

foreign policy interventional interventionism like the war on drugs all of the total like the prison industry like fuking privatized prison industry yeah of the worst fucking things about america rom paul has always been consistently against

and

he sounds he's more of a fucking marxist objectively

in that very way for being first taking those stands on those like key issues

than any people who took over i don't y ans

but had better aesthetics on ironicals

this might sound ironic we should consider people like ron paul to be

like the pre marxist socialist in the nineteenth century like yes he had socialist ron paul was a socialist i don't care what he called himself i don't care if he would reject that label he's like a georgist yeah he represents some typ of like socialism yeah he represented some type of like popular socialistic

reaction against

is kind of he's like it yeah he really is like a on nine heentred century like georgis like geo libertarian yeah yhm of american communist

yeah yeah yeah absolutely

and like

you know peole well you know how could be a youw could be a commy he's not advocating for the abolition of private property

but it's like

you have to understand it in the twenty first century

those all those things have a different meaning you know like i

objectively speaking

quote unquote abolished so abolish private property in the nineteenth century

means you're undermining the power of the state

and the big landowners and all these kinds of that's what it meant to be like basin right

today abolished private property means have the government come and control everything

right

they can tro it doesn't mean the government it means it means having huge real estate firms exactly yes one better u even better

yeah precisely no in the ninthes when people meant by socialism they didn't mean like some kind of like

organ central organ literally coming in and just

controlling everything i mean i know there was utopian socialis experience but

what what hap so some acquired popularity and

you know that the

this idea of challenging private property acquired

popularity because

private property was the cadsul

that the people in power

we're hitting people with as this like

propagandistic slogan oh it's the sacred principle of private property that's why we have to have land closer or in the case of marx oh you german peasants becuse marx wrote about this you can't collect wood in the forests any more because of the sacred principle of private property like private property was the cudgel that interfered with

the ability for people to like

live basically right

yeah today you know

to we have to kind of we as a

speaking just for myself

as a kind of communist whatever

what i need to

read

uh trace this kind of uh connotations and make sure

that people don't think of when they think of communism i don't want people to think of

you know i

when they think of the abolition of private property or

sublation of private property

i don't want people to think of this kind of idea of

just an extension of

uh this an extension of this kind of

pur of a central

uh steak

over your personal everyday life

communism was always supposed to be something compatible with peoples every day communism was always supposed to mean

we're going to lift a burden off of you ordinary people we're not going to like come and

you know

control there was n positive liberties yeah exactly precisely and that's that's what exists in china today you know it's what exists in china now

is this kind of positive liberty

the ability for people

to live

to reproduce himselves

h

and you know to live meaningful dignified lives at the end of the day

you know authorities are not going to legislate

the civilizational realities there's a real objective reality of civilization

that has a cars and here's a kind of dark thing yeah

as you were saying about like abolished private property i was just thinking like

what that really means now is like ok so look at china right seventy percent of their millennials like in the millennial generation own property they own

they have literally a fucking piece of equity asset

in

the country itself

like they're invested they have equity

in the country

so if you were to go there and like hey we're going to bolish your private property

like

that probably the real interpretation of that means like

your we're taking your equity in the country a yeah

and that'ss that's sort of how that

that's sort of how that works still today but like we our generation

we don't have any equity

what what we have

our our connection to this country

is now one of debt

it's not even one of investment

like that's

the fundamental that's problem that's the irony of our times just speaking in terms of like

people spooky um

connotations and prejudices not the real thing

the truth is

all this libertarian liberty people talk about with capitalism they have it in china

all of this horrible communist totalitarianism that's what we have in america

you know

that's the triit it's all upside down man it's a camera obscurre it's a camera obscure

like we that's what the media is so good at it

it's

they call it know spinor like the flip or whatever the fuck or there's a million words for

for

the distortions you put on the fucking lens to like present the world

almost the opposite of what it's it's really

it's hilarious though because you on ironically have like

so called anti dengist marxist in the west

and it's so di i always want to like put them in the spotlight hold them to it

like ok you want to have all aspects of the economy

all aspects of the economy directly consciously controlled

you're going to control that with the fucker like we're going to we're going to just have this extension of

your kind of left wd culture and not only are you going to like impose that on people but you're going to everyone has to wear cat ears yeah you're going to you're going to impose that on everyone on the threat of economic survival so we all have to adopt your insular left wd fucking culture and you're just going to like

you're going to be the cultural engineers who run everything and

fuck you do i can't even fuck and stand being in the same room as you people and neither can ninety nine percent of actual ordinary americans you think you're going to come and hold the keys to how people eat and how people fucking

reproduced himself you're going to fuck and control everything and deafuck you dude you know what i mean like

like you're going to pull that they're going to pull that yeah also like you go know like your ways your hobbies your way of life like oh what you like hunting like

don't you know how bad that is for the environment like

there's no respect whatsover imagining the sols whins of life yeah imagine the winy left oid fucking

estering and just

fucking ankle biting and just stupid bullshit you see on what are all the fucking time imagine those people actually in fucking power deciding how much you eat and how much you fucking

whether you're going to live or die in terms of like

how much resources you get that's why people in america hate communists of course it is yeah communism

and of course you should hate that shit

yeh i hate

that's what everyone hates

yeah know that's why like what we want to do

as

marxist leninist whatever

we want to change

what it we can't do that like by ourselves

we want to help change

or set an example of like

being a communist doesn't mean that it doesn't mean being a fucking left wight on steroids

being a communist means being pro people

being for the people being a defender of the people like

ordinary commons the common people you know what i'm saying

that's what we mean by comm we don't mean this kind of fucking shit of like

oh you know all that shit you fuckin hate and you can't stand we want to actually impose that on everyone

a not only culturally but also economically to

and

you know it's like what it also should be is like

is about universal issues above i kind of want to talk about this at some point

yes

i would i' like being kind of

staying off the twitter for a bit because i caused a huge

huge fucking problem for myself

by just posing this hypothetical

this like pretty radical hypothetical i thought

because i was thinking about

how fundamentally the problem

with like the sort of like so the emphasis on social issues or on like on like gtural issues gender issues whatever

it's fundamentally like creating a conflation in the minds of everyone between

like between individual which you might say like private or particular goods

in a society

versus public

universal goods

like general goods

ell

for instance like

like for instance gay marriage

gay marriage

we can say it's a good

we can't say it's a universal good

we can't say it's a public good or it's a universal good because it doesn't actually impact everyone

it has nothing to do it doesn't matter for actually the majority of people it means nothing to them which is fought why most people most of the those people don't have a strong opinion about it whatsoever because it's fundamentally meaningless to them it doesn't really matter to them it might matter to the somewhat people that they know

or whatever and they can have vicarious sentiment through that but that still doesn't make it a universal good

right so i'm saying like

you like nationalizing health care like nationalizing the insurance industry or whatever

is a universal good

it would be good for everyone

in the country

now i would say would be good for everyone in the globe also for getting rid of these like

rapacious insurance companies and all the other things they do

that this would be one of the best things you could do

for everybody

but

if you can't state

that that

is a much

better good and it is to be

prioritized above

particular private goods

such things as like

you know

making sure that everyone's pronouns are respected in the workplace everyonhere

we gon to say that yeh that's good that's probably a good thing

it's a particular good though it's a private good

it it doesn't have that much yuss

just what benefiting everyone

but if you can't say if you can't just make if you refuse to go i refuse to make a decision between these two if i can only have one then i don't want to either man like i'm never going to choose listen to devote myself to a public good above my own private good here's why you pope the beehigh because all left ids where they call the marxist or not

whether they call it whether they admit it or not they're all intersectionalist they all believe everything's on the same level

in what i said explicitly before i said

you know were

the national liberation struggle the national struggle while the black people struggle

at the palestinians the irish all that kind of stuff

in history whatever you want to call that

american war of independence even

that is fundament that is more fundamental simply more fundamental

then sexual

the issues

its just isnust this

it just is

objectivelyd yeah not on the same fucking level like for example what's going on in palestine

what if someone made the argu ok there's more women's rights in israel than in gaza

okay well guess what

the palestinian struggle is more fundamental than that right you know'm not saying that's a meaningless thing and even in palestine you know there's a women struggle there's women there's th i'm not saying that's meaningless as trivial but at the end of the day the national liberation struggle is more fundamental

it they're not equal they're not on the same level gay right yes not on the same level as that shit and in america

you see it in america

there's an explosive huge tension between the l g b t left wds and black nationals blackbir because black nationalists say no the black struggle is more fundamental it's not on the same level as l g b t shit it's just not on the same fucking level ok it is not on that if they do not intersect it's not an intersection they are fundamentally different

and one is more fundamental than the other you know

ah

but though they also are correct in understanding that there's like a colonial imperialist there is absolutely it's one hundred percent

l g b t the brand of the l g b t i'm not saying l g b people

i'm saying the brand

is one hundred percent

the rockefeller fuckingyeh it's it's one hundred percent of form of

opportunism and it is also it is also a rockefeller type of project

and a whole kind of thing like that where it's like

that

it's fucking it's a disguised form of of

the status quo you can see you can call it status quoever you want

you call it the rule of the bourgeoisie you can call it white supremacy i don't actually care what you call it that's what it fucking is whatever our status quo is

that's what it

that's what it is that's what it serves that's what that's its objective meaning i don't care like

how you fucking cutt it that's wh that guy socialism ne left he just got exposed on discord

and he had all these

a

he typed all the shit in his this where he was like

yeah those

the black africans are all backward i want to make them all gay he was talking about y all that you were saying that they needed to be bred out by like white people yeah because they're not tolerant enough of l g b t they're not tolerant yeah yah yeah exactly don't enough i qs to have liberal sentiments for s is real like this is what is like this is

the whole idea right is yeah

like

their way of life

doesn't it their way of life

isn't even historical it's nonexistent i don't have to learn anything about it

they have to adapt

to me

yeah and exactly current you know and i'm not saying

you know that

there there could be there's l g b t people among

those people and they might have their own thing going on and

but but you know what that's their own thing you know like h

you can't

you talking about l gbt is just a way in this context

to exercise american imperialist whatever dominion and domination over them

i mean like you know

' let me explain something really fuckedu this is like a part of it that i think

is the most pernicious part and i don't think anyone ever talks about this part of

but

it's specifically a way

of

i mean a lot of this is just targeted against christians let's be honest

like christians have been like almost systematically like wiped out from representation in the media

like in a in a real sense like just like an old school christian person

just like giving voice to the orthodox doctrines of the church

almost never happens

in america

like and that was like a systematic thing

but a big part of it right is like

a lot of these activists

like the they they want to eliminate

anyone who grounds their morality in a sort of deontological relation

with an objective reality that is not just composed of their sentiments or their preferences

right

so it's like if you accept if you accept like ok so

there's like like christian morality and like sexual morality is a lot more complicated than most people understand it it's not like

oh like fuck gays they're all evil whatever

that's not really

that it's like so much more complicated than that

but there are people who are like yes

i believe

because my my opinions i don't have opinions i take fuckin revelation from

of reality that is outside of my preferences or sentiments

and it states clearly that this is like you know a violence against nature or whatever

however dante would describe if it's this doesn't mean

this doesn't mean again that it's like a damnable thing that ruins everyone who has ever done it or whatever and that it's like impossible to forgive

and that there's no way there's like you know you just it's just full of hatred and loathing

it's mostly one that's like supposed to come with like a set of like pity

or something for like

the the nature of man and like how we're all sinners or how we're all fucking guilty of various things

it's not supposed to be

this sort of like judgmental thing but when

you the like

the liberal sentimental engineering of it comes where it's like

well why do you hate gay people

you know what i mean it's like

thank

you can't even discuss

like theological realities or like the origins of morality ethics in the sort of historical sense

without

without

being told like that you the only real objective grounds

is the sentiments that inspires

like

isn't that such a mean thing to say to me like how you think about how you're making me feel

but it's like it's not about you bro

it's about

reality

like are we talking about reality are we talking about our feeling

yeah you're right this ability to

this the ability to impartially talk of this ability to acknowledge this is really the key of what we're talking about

a supra individual reality of some kind that is just beyond you personally

where you haf you can be able

but you can you can

have the ability to participate in something

that's beyond you individually even though it is you individually participating it

you're just participating in something beyond you

and people have lost the ability to do that

in this day and age

everything is now personal everything's like uh

directly about you you're not actually participating in any common

an acknowledgment of some kind of common uh reality like

a lot of people for ex the comon is this this it's the ad of all you know what's funny is that

you know all these pseudo intellectal guys like the the self help people who talk about the greek plato and aristotle all that kind of stuff

what's so absurd about it is that you can clearly tell when plato speaks

when aristotly speaks or when they write whatever they're writing down

they're not speaking as an individuals

the subject of their works is not an individual it's some kind of supra individual

truth that is just beyond

fundamentally beyond individuals right it's some kind of common

reality of some kind

and

people just don't believe this but i don't know man i think that's just your opinion yeah yeah

i mean um

but you know like i said again it's interesting when you look at it because

in china

everyone understands that reality everyone in china understands there's a

common

you know there's a common reality that's beyond us individually that

you know

that actually has its own

existence of some kind its own reality

i think even people mayb be in russia understand you know people in

maybe even eastern europe understand it it just seems like

uh america

most of all even in england maybe people can fucking

you know

this is my theory that yet there is like

the twentieth century

was like the creation of the sort of virtual reality like it you can kind of see it depicted in like the matrix

where the matrix is really like more a movie in retrospect of like

we need to hold on to the matrix because if we don't have this it's going to get really bad

oh yeah like we need to make sure everyboey can plug perfectly well and fit and be comfortable

in this matrix

because like

like if you think about it in that year when they made the matrix

the the virtual reality world that it's in right

they're like we created it based off of the present time because the present time is the best time in living memory and everyone likes it right now

right yeah one

everyone enjoys this virtual reality a cagt like the end of history nineties world

and so we're actually whereas who the fuck would create a simulation of the year two thousand and twenty one for everyone to live to be like oh yeah this was the cod w it's actually since go point i've never

i've never fucking thought of that that is such a good fucking point

no one would even do that for like

any any post nine eleven

post eleven no one would do that it's only the nineties or

two thousand two thousand eighties yeah or the eighties yeah eighties especially

that's why we have like stranger things and all these sort of nostalgia backwards facing things

is because everyone wants to go back

that is not what one division is about

like the marvel movies like these people they're not dumb they're like actually using

this sort of common

common like response of the sort of like amergent mythology you might even say

to the to the media environment that we're in

they take these ideas and they find ways to like

narrativize them to channel them back into like the this is like why marvel movies are so important

you know because i know

that's how it all works so here's my theory about that

the whole like the

eighties so if you notice before this whole eighties revival there was a really subtle seventies revival and before that there was a sixties

in't people don't pp' notice that

but i think now we're seeing

nineties again right i think we're looking at we're going into the this kind of nineties pastige

but you know my theory is

it's really y two k

when the year two thousand hit

everyone was expecting a new era right

but then when two thousand hit people realizing

yeah a new era

but then people realize

there's no new era it's a

it's still the same it's more of the same so they looked back kind of to this

fifties and sixties and seventies and eighties

and now that that's being exhausted we are now finally confronting at this

time wherere at the precipice of the decline of

the american empire with the rise of a new civilization

in a new era

finally now we're entering

the year two thousand

you know

yeah i mean i ok so the other another thing i was looking at recently was like terence mckenna a cia type shit or whatever yeah but sometimes i get a little a little paranoid i get a litt fucking get a little nutty in my mind

and i come up with some ideas that scare me and i don't i'm not necessarily sure if they're

they're just intuitions of mine or how accurate they would be and sometimes you know but i'll just throw on out there right

yet i'm

if you're doing a mass social engineering project

of like the american population

like how much

would you create like

narrative arts like would it would

how much of

our reality

is really like kind of plotted out

in like

in that like with

the same sort of

framings and narrative setups

that you would make a movie with like making a hollywood movie and making say like a political event

a spectacle of some sort

they sort of require the same sorts of things like we have

people who are professionals

at acting not only just acting but like

crowd work moving crowds

making things look

as authentic as possible

right

like all of this technology is really what we're the best at

so

how much

how much of light

wh

this stuff was planned in advance because you turns mckenna talking about two thousand and twelve

being terence mckenna was not based

i don't know who said that but no thuck terence mckenna

he's a fucking cia liberal cia mother fucker

who is just running drugs for those mother fuckers in tibet

he was golden triangled up well what was he doing over me and mar you tell me you tell me how do you get busted out of jail

these guys all the sixties heroes guys they're all fucking cia they're all spies they all work for the liberal end of the cia

they're all very proud about it too

they were like they were like we hate the like

the right wing version like the like cultural reactionaries or whatever

the they were on the progressive side of the deep state however you want to put it yeah who are most open to like doing

like basically like l s d experiments on the population like that's

yeah

also yes fuck to lose delose also an op all theose guys are fucking ops i'm not even fucking kidding you

like all it is all the most of the effort intellectually went into creating the new laft

the sort of new age new left

hippie aquarian fucking

bullskt

that's

that's where all the effort went into

was making that yeah process church yeah everyone's posting stuff in the chat now all that shit

all that's it

it's all fucking

it's all designed to be

this subject you you be like

you know you're in like

dude i'm so free i'm like a fucking mushroom brom just like this mushroom and i'm a rihzom

in the network

right and i'm like on' microdsing acid and i just have all these ideas on the zoom calls i'm like a mushroom communicating with the fucking hive

like that's that's the lose that's that's fucking mechana that's all these people it's also how a fucking cia asset thinks when they're embedding themselves into a fucking organization

you know well

yup

but i was i was just thinking

there

terrence mckenna he said they wanted to create a new dark age

he want to create a new middle ages

that was his explicit goal

like when you was talking about this they were talking about neo feudalism

like a lot of these hippies

as being like a good thing you know back to the earth will be like peasants you know have a closeer relation to the earth

and we'll have you know this kind of class bifurcation

where you then also have like these like you will have like the

the transgender liberal aristocrats

like dueling each other over leftist idiologies

that that no that have so many hyphens in them that no one can count anymore

and you know it'll be like a furry well like aristocrat landed gentry like like beating up another like like do you see what i'm saying can you s just you know things like you hod sc for m you know american

america so we have clearly we have the media orientation

after the sixties seventies

it with the eighties we saw return to what we saw return to focking

uh sorry medieval fantasy right we have ald that wole media arc lord of the ring all that kind of shit

but

what do we see now we sae bill gates is buying all this land

it clearly seemed and you know the silicon valley spooky people all come from

that terence mckennall

shit they all come from there

and we all know how sill yeah vali is

you a neo feudial

in nature

so there's that connection that they think like this they think like oh man these poor poor people we just need to get them like back

to farm labor that's really wholesome

yeah you know i

but well we'll own the farms and we'll tell m what to do they're just like

it's like you know when like the silicon valley people like oh i invented a public bus

they're doing that but it's just fucking slavery you know not ihing to me about like attle slavery

oh thank you much f appreciate

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i take offence to the comparison

thank you much appreciate vi us

but i

yeah uh

you know one thing that kind of weirded me out about like how much of this shit is like

pland

on epstein's island when i found out

that it was just fucking matter

you know that dome that like uh

that that weirre temple

that was just there for show yeah

and so much of the island was there for show like

you know how they would move cows around

intentionally just like

for no reason they would just move like the plastic

the cow what did you hear about that

yeah

yeah yeah yes i know what you're talking about when we think of like all what was going on in empstin island

like they

it's what they artificially wanted to provoke

that response and it's so fucking bizarre

you know

but there a real people have they have their own

traditions and inside jokes and and weird shit like that

oh yeah

true

yeah i don't know it's just like

but i'm

ya with the whole

uh terence mckenn all that kind of shit

uh

i think we are kind of

i think one of the reasons though that it seems like

we're entering like a new dark age or something i think

what we consider modernity has run its course you know and we're

we're kind of returning back to the norm

some real bioalogous

we returning back to some authentic historical continuity

that predates majority basically like majority was just this kind of

eight

was

that distracted us from

the actual realities were and so

like we're seeing you know

ah we're seeing the rise of like old

ancient more ancient kind of traditions

i guess the appearance of i don't know i don't twenty extent these are actually authentic

but

i don't thin too that interesting about like neo feudalism is that a lot of marxists don't understand this but

marx never said

that capitalism has completely conquered

utilism

h

is it never did it honestly never did the reality of landed property only transformed

it was never fully you know

replaced by b

replaced by a

by capital

and actually mark said he eventually in his third month of capital he came to the triad right

the triad is what it's labor

landed property and

a capital

right

in other words landed property is not just some transient vestige of the past

feudalism it's a

objective part of the

what we consider this this

in uh

capitalism

in a sense yeah let me talk about equity too is' that also what a peasant is supposed to be a peasant

has equity in the sovereigns

a kingdom or whatever

it's almost like a

the peasants never disappeared you know the marxist always thought

the peasantry was just going to turn into the

the factory proletariat and they're going to just be this edgy revolutionary subject we're going to have permanent revolution

they're going to be completely i

stripped of their

roots and but no but we saw the peasantry was artificially recreated like

when we talk about this is some shit that every one literally everyone i've talked to

that looks to me like i'm crazy i'm like

when we talk about

the the

the white piget fans

the green lawn and the car that this american family the

fift these h family has

isn't that a reinvention of the peasantry this kind of

some kind you know what i mean like this is the reassertion of the peasants the mechanical pageantry or or yeah or the like like

yet ian animals they have all these machines that they have to take care of yeah exactly that's exactly it it's like

uh or or you don't have to call it a pesant call it a yeomn or whatever i don't know whatever's particular to american history but

this kind of small landhm land owner the small landholder

marxist thought

in a way that didn't come from marx himself

that they would just turn into

factory pulletary

a and they would all be devoid of any

equity or private property that's not what happened what happened was that

somehow it was

it reasserted itself in a in a new way

no

so i just think that's interesting yeah i mean that's what

that's what people want that's what people want i mean it's not a coincidence like it's not a coincidence that all communist states happened in countries

that were quote unquote less advanced and in which

people were the majority of people were rule right

so

and it's not a coincidence that all of the populism today comes from the so called rule we call them rule even though they're not rule

and they're still urbanized right they live in

cut you know

they live in um yeah they don't live in like farmlands that what we call people who are rule

we still call him rule and for good reason right

h i think for me one of the my like

i guess contributions when it would have marxims that

the presant is not

a vestige of the past there's something true there's something about

pessence

ah

that persists

basically

and and and the logic of that basicly

marxism leninism was not just some

you know

some makeshift thing that was just because russia had a unfortunate

but you know

peculiar and strange condition compared to europe

there's something true about marxism leninism that can even be applied to the west itself

you know there's

there's a there's a need for a unity of workers and peasants even in the west

basic

but yeah kind of went off i mean engine

well like

what's what's kind of spooky to me i think is that the real class that they want to produce

this is a class that is like

being planned

in my opinion like ahead of time

like that uh the

this is a

this is the it's kind of not even like a peasantry

this is the real future

is creating a

or socializing people as nomads

as kind of landless

travelers

whose connection to society is basically mediated by a cell phone

don't have anything like it doesn't really own property except for what they carry on their back like backpack bindle

type of living

where you do gig economy work

around

and you know you you'd never settle anywhere

you're just like

moving you you are like to be perfectly atomized and liquidated to fit like

the streams of capital

like now human capital

whatll move

the new proletaria is the amazon package deliver or whatever

and maybe he moves along the

he delivers packages

on

epic routes across the entire country and he's just constantly on a cross country road trip delivering packages

or something

this and like never lives anywhere

but like you know air b n b s at places

and the et strand it's a sam bridges sampor that's that's the future n

that's like what they're trying that's the class of people

that's that's like the new

quote unquote working class are trying to create

which is why a huge part of like

all of this is making sure that like you know you can look at what places are allowed to make unions which ones aren't

definitely the places that aren't allowed to make ys are for all of these new digital economyes head like h it's like

the actual essential workers oh they can't unionize we actually put th those w actually do use will sit but

you google people and you fucking uh artists and all yeah you can movie producers hollywood producer yeah yeah and we unionized go ahead

didn't make a funny difference

yeah

i mean um

yeah it's funny

yeah

i just like that's what's that's what spooky to me is is just

like

there's so much of like a lump in or like even like homeless or like really like

type of culture that's adapted by the the left in america from like historical contingencies i would say of the twentieth century like a lot of the

a lot of the our workers movements having to come from people like the okies or whatever like the sort of migrant workers

who like lost their property

that this sort of

class of people

um the whole like

and

what's it called like cross punky cross punk train hopper type people

that are jslike

and like you know that sort of

that' sort of alm it's kind of a form of individualism really

oh of course it's like a new type of like brand you know it's like a

yeah everying leg's been

yeah

that's a but that's sort of also it's sort of like the the proletarian or like lump in proletarian version of being an intelligence agent in a way

cause it's like you're like yeah man i like am above the law basically

i just like live of i live off of other people's

property

i uh i take i cop on trains and i know whatic or what you know what that reminds me of

ah speaking of like a

the opposite of like the person who's in the law

you i'm sure you saw twin peak season three right

oh of course yeah

you know who that is

who was like this kind of a

cross punk guy who was like stills just the guy didn't seem like he was rich he seemed like he was copying

from place to place living off of others

it was frocking ah

it was the doppel ganger the bad guy

yeah dark cooper

dark cooper it was dark the what you're talking about is dark cooper

he had to he was literally like a dark intelligence agent right

but he wasn't like a rich guy he was you know it's like exactly what you're talking about you know

yeah

exactly yeah that's like a sort of weird part of our

of our

leftism is the sort of radical

like

kind of and it and even goes to like the antiindustrialist or like you know like ted koczyinsky

oh yeah yes

this tendency also

is that it's like

extremely

a

like

anti civilizational almost it's like a left like it's an anarchy almost so pure

that they want to like destroy

there

the potentiality for like mass society to even exist or like civilization as we would call it to even exist

they would want to go back to like pure everyone's a hunter gatherer

or whatever

i think you also see that with like

the kind of like i don't know too much about it but i know like this while like um

what is it fuck in

what's that guy on twitter

w wants to go back to the

cave man times

you know i'm talk abouts a lot of them now man

he's like he's like a right winger

is like the

that's his name

i don't even know you because there's a bunch of them like there's been so many people nz

oh yeah yeah he's a little bit more comp he's not even a real eco fascist i'm not a lie i know him very well he blocked me a while ago but i was friends with him like

in reality for years so yeah i actually know who that he is

yeah that's interesting but

he he's not even a real he wasn't even as much on like the kind of

i

how would i put it

environmentalists or like deep ecology or

or a narco primitivest or whatever the fuck

he wasn't really on that size so much i mean he has he has that two degree but

but like he's not even a great representation of that tendency

but i mean what i mean is like that tendency exists like on all sides of the spectrum th right like

ya he got the the

you got the utilitarian hyper liberals at the club of rome like with the rockefeller's and prince philip and whatever the fuck

and they're the ones who are really concerned about human population and like

ho and like you know redesigning society so it's more sustainable or whatever we can go back ino like the great pagan year and have like

the permit permanent feudal order where everything's just perfect and nothing has to change or

could total communion with nature or whatever

there's those guys those are the guys who are actually in power and then on the far left you people and they're really concerned about global warming and climate change and

they're also saying the same exact fucking things it's like oh that's really you know go over to the far right you' know like how that's weird you're also reading the book from the club room and you believe that there's too many people except you think that there's too many people have a

or all ah the brown people or whatever the fuck

it's all the same everyone believes the same fucking thing

you know if you if you notice something about our stream

i mean not asumer like

in our thing and read

we never say shit like

we have to stop capitalism to save the planet we never say shit like

oh yeah the reason you should be a communist is because the planet

oh we never say shit like fuckin

um

ah

infinite growth but finite resource all of that shit is literally fucking

malfusian and another thing too is that

you know

that i heard something kind of sin i don't know

i don't think

i think people are thinking about global warming in the wrong fuckin way you know like

i don't think of it in terms of oh yeah we have to stop being human to save the planet i think of it in terms of

this is a new reality we have to adjust to

you know

like a

yeah yeah yeah i mean i was saying the same thing like

like for examples in which you can instrumentalize people people think oil's going to be gone

and he can be replaced

dude in the arctic the the fuckin whatever's melting

and it's going to be this huge geopolitical struggle that's already going on

for control over a

the north pole and all the fucking resources there

and including oil principally oil you know that's being revealed that's being now accessible

so

you know it's yeah

it's thisj whole fucking thing is just to me sin i know it's also the geopolitical aspect like

the west now wants to tell everyone to stop

because they've reached the pinnacle of their

industrial development like you know they yes it's tme time for everyone to stop yeah like when they got on top they're like ok guys now it's time to stop we're going to

we have to be conscientious now

yes

listen you guys canno have microwaves in like twenty years

if you're good

stop geting

yeah what do you think as someone to says that what do you think about the abiotic oil theory

oh i'm it's one hundred percent true dude i believe it too that's theresing you don't yeah

i do believe that it' it's all issing

its same thing with diamonds

so many of these things gold all these things

like when we talk about scarcity of resources or whatever

i

no no the scarcity is defined as like cre a creation like we proyess the idea of scarcity

through the mechanisms through which we're

where measuring all of these things

and we're not being they're not being measured by universal public authority

they're being measured by all these like fucking

shady shit outlets

who have very good good incentives for not estimating things correctly you know

like there's a whole like the black market economy the black economy is like almost as large as like the normal

the norm yeah yeah i heard of our economy

yeah

yeah it's thatst reality man it's like fucking

potash and cobalt

and

fuck in all that weirre just tons of weird small shit you would never think of it's like people making fortunes off of

of off of like

deviations of a penny in the price of fucking nails

oh yeah big yeah yeah that's how people make money yeah you're hundred percent right about that it's all

it's not fucking dodes coin it's super obscure yeah like

that's where real people make

fucking money it's a

i've thought about that shit myself because you know i

i'm trying to make money you know

like i've thought au like oh how do i get into that but

yeah you really can

you know what i mean the real way to make money is after you've already had so much money

that

you can like just build these sorts of like fucking

crazy ass schemes

werere like most of em don't work out

but the ones that do were like you have successes that

you recoup it's like that that's what venture capital is basically

yeah

true

what do you think this is going to be annoying question what do you think about crypto

um i think like so i've been interested in krypto since i was like fourteen or something like i've been reading about it since like onen you coins you a dollar di you

did you buy a lot or

like n know i was really dumb when i was on i was like when i got really into crypto i was like fourteen fifteen this is like in like two thousand and twelve again this is like a b coin was like

less than a dollar

and i was always like dam

i wish i had bought bviitcoin

because it fucking kills me how cheap it was at that time

but you know

life goes on

true but i when i even when i was inspecting this when i was like a kid i wrote a paper in an economics class in high school about how bitcoins value was going to

come back after the mount gox heist i believe it was in two thousand and twelve

specifically take the

the bitcoin price i wade a paper about how it was going to come back and i was like yeah this was a speculative bubble

but the real inelastic value of bitcoin is its use in the black market

and the black market drug markets were still up

so bitcoin obviously still have value

because people are still using the silk road for that

most drug markets don't use bitcoin anymore most you know ark web drug markets don't to useinarro

is how much drugs literally drive history and drive political economy dudy yes yes

yes

the british empire more than anything yeh it is a drug dealing empire

it's falcking insane you know

um

do you think you know it's all youn girls

they don't serve reallyver coffee

t

ya b um

nicotine and that the war in afghanistan i mean obviously that the poppy feels have something to do with that you know

oh yeah of course

course that they had something to do with it back when it was the great game and it was the fucking crimean war and britain was over there the first fucking time

but it's really crazy it's like drugs

and drugged their like

they served no essential purpose

they don't really you know they're just for recore you know

it's crazy how's a perfect

ya

utilitarian cybernetic

pro because it's all pleasure

it's capital that converts into pleasure

true i'm like one day one

like basis

so

like what yet if you're just maximizing your pleasure

then you and that's like what we consider to be like the utilitarian like empire whatever liberty to choose your pleasures means selling

coke

in

the cities that's all it means

he reads like selling a bunch of fucking cocaine

because you can convert cocaine

for money the it's the medium between money and pleasure

like you put the money down you get the cocaine the cocaine is consumed and turned into immediate pleasure like it's just

it's a direct line like bgly to that you're fuck it's like

yes cybernaddicts

and neurology

met overlap

and it's also an effective way to dovorce people

is this is what capital' is all about you know according to marx

the divorce people from their means of production

right

you know

if someone's going bankrupt buying drugs

uh a few things happened right

there the real estate

where they live becomes cheap you just buy it out right you can you can gentrify where they live really easily

m

what they own i mean historically what they own their land everything but they'll go in debt and the andd it it's a really

effective way of that was a plan yeah

that was kind of a plan like the rockfellers they wanted to bomb out these neighborhoods so that they could redevelop them

and like that's another part of like what

like you know it's so hard to

hold on to these opinions in this history and talk to some people i feel like a lot of the times the only people you can talk to about like black lies matter are like

black people who have like not not just like

recent like

third gen immigrants or whatever but like african americans whose family like are kind of like proud african americans who like know a lot about their the history of african americans specifically yeah and like pay attention to the shit

because

like a lot of like burning down a lot of these

places and like them in the midwest or whatever

like

that all these white liberals were cheering on and shit

and they were doing it the summers

you know

yeah or going out there and doing that yeah point of that was to like destroy the property value these places so that these major real estate development corporations could buy them up

and that's like really what's happening that's it

yeah

yeah it's

it's a

it's really isn't po men know it's a folking comedy you know like like

and tea for things the

they're bein revolutionaries and they're just clearing the way for

real estate and yes yes

yeah and and the the comedy though is that it's just like it goes on it's a machine that just

goes on you know it just

it keeps happening and it's like

it's almost like

people are almost at the level of livestock they're just fucking passive animals

completely oblivious to like

the fact that they're just part of this machine i know it sounds so

pretentious what i'm saying but i don't know how e's to

no n no no no no no no no that's like the ideal subject in a lot of ways if you look at like what the depiction of the every man like the positive depiction of the every man

and like british imperial literature it'll be that kind of guy he's like a good guy to the people around him but he's like fundamentally

confused or doesn't understand

like the global politics of the world

and the kind of prison like the idea really is like

we at the top we smart people our burden is to know that like all of the fictions

that we create for the masses to live under aren't real

but we have to w're we are we have the tragic existence of knowing that all of this is a fiction that we create

and

that's our burden that's our suffering and we do it all we have to we have to fucking go do ciops

we have to cover up all this shit and get our hands bloody

to make sure that the fucking animal like

unconscious masses

can live in a better beautiful like fictitious world

that we've curated for them

so that their sentiments are like

undisturbed and they maintained their

they're like virtue in there

in their ignorance

there their blissful ignorance

yeah yeah i mean

but i think also knowing this is another interesting thing about

this kind of conspira i don't know it's not a conspiracysm is like a word makes it seem like this is

you know

some

fringe shit rather than like really accessible information but

but i mean by conspiracy like

you just know that

there's different

this is what people can't wrap their fucking heads around

right and it applies to marxes too

your individual phenomenal experience

of the world

is on a different scale

than the actual

development of

real plans real political

changes

and

isn't that why marxists have an issue with china because

they're so because marxists want to feel like socialism is just something we experience

individually at this direct phenomenal level

rather than something that is similar to a conspiracy in the sense that it's just it's development occurs on a different

level of scale

and time scale as well

than what we perceive individual like on the one hand you have these

a focked up

you know

conspiracies in the west of

you know the

the real estate that we're talking about the way people are making money capital that kind of thing that is occurring on a scale that's beyond individuality of course

but also maybe on the positive note it's like

that's also how socialism is too right in china whatever's going on

however their society that society you don't need it you don't need all the chinese people to be socialists yeah exactality or something precisely yeah

exactly yeah

like that's how the liberals think they think that you know it's hearts and minds hearts and minds hearts and minds you know that's what they always say that's the

the psychological warfare aspect of it

it's not even like

like that's what's so fucx

about so much of it right is like you know we even suck as an empire why didn't we just go into afghanistan

just turn them into a state

the fifty second state or whatever

like

give them all fucking thing like

you're a citizen now

we don't do that

we don't do that we thn'k we don't do that puerto rico or samoa we don't just go like hey look

your state now

and you have the they go but figure it out we don't do that

we don't do that with them

but we have to make sure their hearts and minds are in the right spot yeah we we're very devoted making sure their hearts and minds are their sentiments are well tuned

yeah i mean

it's

yeah it's like this fucking

i don't i feel like the hearts and minds thing at this point is just like purely cynible

you know like

it's like that i don't know man

yeah

i think they really believe

like i think this is like

i think it's like some of them are obviously cynical

but i don't think

it's sort of like how you can like there's people become like post ironically the thing that they were being ironic

but even if they're doing it cynically at some point or they thought of it cynically at a certain point you can't really live like that

like you're right you're going to keep going and you're going to justify it to yourself and you're going to like that's just how it works like there's no one who's like

ah i'm mster cynical like manipulating people

like the no no no there they have very strong sentiments

and they feel very authentically about those sentiments

the thing is that they're just like

their interests are parasitical interests

you know

like

the it's not their fault

like

necessarily

like it shouldn't really we shouldn't really expect people to like be other than what they are

but

these people like the rich people etc they really do feel like in their sentimentality that they're looking out for the interests of everyone in the world or whatever

yeah

you're right naw

i

yeah honestly it's like

they're they're liberating

you know all those l g b t people are just waiting for american bombs to come and free them you know because

yeah they'll think about the like time magazine report they read about the the little girl who like couldn't go to school in afghanistan and how like yeahational forces operateor

like after he massacred a bunch of people in the fucking kandahar valley went back

and she was going to school and she was learning math and

it was a little hallmark moment and it was like you know what

i do support the war in iraq like this is people thes a people's minds are made up of these little anecdotes and stories

know and that's how the our neoliberal pathology works es basically

oh you know

it's almost like a reverse redpill where it's like

oh i used to think wars were bad and all this kind of stuff

but now i realized that was all a deception turns out

it's like the negation of the negation you know like turns out

the whole time it's the you knowed

it was exactly as the yeah the propagandists were saying you know

it is almost likest it is like a post ironic thing you know these like new whatever

they're not really neal they like kind of but they're they're neo neo i think about it but

yup

marvel the end game movie or whatever the last one with theanos in or whatever

i think it's kind of funny because

thanos is like represents bentha my

yeah cosmology like that's

and he's he represents the what exists as the crisis of liberalism

like in the marvels avengers universe or whatever

like he is the end result

of the their dialectical crisis or whatever

but

there's no way in the movie that they defeat him

by

logic or something or through some

they they do it through pure mystification

like

they they do this weird time travel thing and when the character within the movie is exact asked like

how does this time travel thing even work

there's an inside joke within the movie where it's just like

like what is this time travel like this other time travel movie how does this time travel work for us to defeat

like malthus and bentham

and they're like

don't worry about it man don't think about it it just works

it just works

we all got together

everyone's here look weve got everyone together

look there's the guys from the black panther movie look a's the gardens the galaxy guys

look it's all of the representatives

we got all the representatives together in united in their sentiment

that means

that the mauthus at the center of our idiology will just disappear

through fucking magic

yeah yeah it's like you notice how in these fucking movies

you always tell the truth of the movie based on the villain you notice in this movie like

they actually made this is this is the opposition we deal with right

so there necessarily has to be a difference between the truth and

that als represents truth right

like this is what he gt they actually believe ok yeah fs you're right there is overpopulation

but because we're morally good people or because it looks the power of our sentiments yeah exactly the overccording to the power of our senatorally nazi odd idiology yees that's way to strength

like stud that's literally

do do you like for example

like

no seem taleb exposed how fucking i q is literally a sham it's literally all bullshit right

but

secretly we all you know liberal itiology believes in race science and it believes in i q and all this shit

but it just because of sentimentality it just says oh yeah it's not real you know it's like

it's not a thing but they actually do believe in

you know

it's the same thing when it comes yy yes

malsusianism all it's just

they believe only they believe it like

i do prefer the empiricist of the rationalist because the rationalists will take like i q and they'll be like

they'll posit i q as being basically like an entity that exists in the world

like you know like a real entity

toree the empears will say empierss will say listen i q is like this trait it's a psychometric

coral it's like a statistical

fucking pattern

that recurs in

outputs or whatever results

in various types of games yeah have sweek arguably associated skills

so we're going to call this like the meta qualitative skill

of like skillfulness at skillful blok like that empiricist will like

dissolve it

into that and be like so yeah it can bas it's basically a prediction of how good you will be doing chess puzzles

basically

something like that

and it's like yeah ok i guess that correlates with certain other things

so like

bike

it's not like it's not real or it doesn't exist

's that it's just like not that important

it's not it's only important to like a highly like tech economy where most jobs are like

doing word puzzles

yeah

throuh

yeah you know i think that tll it allb had like a pretty to me persuasive like

taked down of it i don't know

it was like it yeah i know he was coming out it from like a

y thing about how basically the model

the mods like procrestys bed sort of situation yeah

which is which is what but he's an empiranceist exactlya yeah i know a lot of is an am peerceist yeah yeah so that's like

he's like he's like the ultimate empiricist

because you get all the way to the end of the impericystm they go like yeah we construct all this shit like we' supposed to

like that's good i like those appearances

because they at least are like talking yeah like we i'd be honest toms like the only guy who likes popper that i don't hate

you know

me i mean telem so funny

yeah it is such a funny combination of ideas

but

but yeah i do like tal but he's

he's always like he's always like listening like i'm a socialist at the local level yeah but i'm a liberal at the highest

like yeah he he he's got an interesting view of the world

yeah he's yeah i love him he's really funny

but he's the best of pierceis because you know like that exactly he's an am piar sist which is why it's like i q is

he's like yeah he's an actual he was real he's an actual like consistent empiricist right which

which you know the mainstream is not

you know

and

yees

the other thing is like when they talk about i q or whatever and they're like they're like oh man like

people with low i q like they they can't they're not useful in this economy or whatever that's a problem

and it's just like

do you care about people like you like what dore you what are you suggesting we do

because most of the time they're just kind of like dot dot dot like

so who's to say if it's really that bad if we had a sterilization program or something

like it's always like they're leaving like dot dot dot open

yeah you never have like a suggestion of what we do about the fact like we're also way it's true like the wll listen the whole fannels thing they coud divide between truth and sentiment

it's basically a way to hypocritically manage

like

maybe there will be a kind of eugenics program and all these people will be flooded with opioids and die off

but it won't it won't hurt our sentiments because we will experience it as just like an

unfortunate tragedy rather than something engineered you know what i mean

n know it will actually it'll spawn some superheroes to take it up as their personal cause yeah right

and then after the violence is done

when they failed yeah maybe one or two of them not even the higher up people to justice after beating up a bunch of the low level goons

and

ah

yeah

and that's i will all experience that narrative and that will sentimentally inform us and make us all better people

yeah

yeah definitely

that's the idea

that's it

sentimental engineering man w's the most totalitarian

i'm just real at like this we live in the most fucking totalitarian

sort of tyranny

you imaginable and you know that's the case because no one can see it for what it is

like

no one would agree with you

hardly

to be like yeah we live in like this to talllitaran dictatorship or if they do agree with you

they would they'd be like

they'd have some other thing about it like it would be like the anti people like oh it's yeah it's like

it's a white sup it's white supremacist patriarchy or whatever you talk to the right people on the right they're like yees it's like global communism like that totalitarianism we live

and it's like kind of in between those two actually it's actually the liberal to talllitary yeah i think people really don't appreciate like

is this something

like uniquely

like it doesn't have to be communism it doesn't have to be fascism

there's some

is something uniquely american you know it's like a uniquely american project

that has deep roots you know

a

it's not it's not like so world fair ude it's the chicago world fair yeah yeah that's what people get science science science is the protagonist of the world

not even us

we're we don't exist we exist to serve science

and with an understanding

that's all we exist tore where we're a little nodes in the mass computer of the human race

and our job is to like

you know harvest data

for the for the for the combine

yeah

it's fucked up man

yeat the world's fair if you want to look it up this is this is the model of the world's fair i posted the defunct lan documentary on it which is really good

the model of the world's fair was science finds

industry

ah

industry plans or something and then man conforms

man was at the bottom it's science is the active

it's like science science finds

industry plans or adapts

man conforms

yeah that's whatre our job is to conform to the science will find the truth

the industrialist the capitalists they will produce our reality and we will conform to it

shit ya

that's freedom

all right i'm definitely going to get off in a second we've been talking for a while but this so yeah yeah

i got to use the bathroom too

yeahight i'm just sig off to because i also have to go back to oh yes it was a really good conversation honestly really good talk

yeah it's really good i love talking to you man i'll come on whenever but it sure man sounds good nice nice chatting

see later man

pleace

but

she

are guys um

i got toh

use the bathroom i'll literally be right back

let me

let me put this up here

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we're going to have a debate after this we're going to debate that fucking bitch

goo inetellects well guy

right after this

very bad

our guds

but

i'm idria stay

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ok

the i'm back

alright let me uh

may tel the low beitch

there he is

we're waiting for him to come in

goa's beach

want to get in v c

they were waiting

meanwhile we can actually debate that other guy too because this guy's probably going to take a little bit

where's that fockin guy in the chat what's his name

the anglo empire was's his name anglo liberal world order

let's debate him to liberal world order

we're going to debate liberal world order

we're going to be debating a few people

there' was a guy talking a lot of shit in the jat

the a liberal world order the fuck his name was

oh shit the guy responded

without responded

you see

what di he say

yeah i down to have a conversation

last time we didn't have anything to talk about now we do

you didn't v c e theer

what all these stupid copras in the chat

i bet infrared is is going to champ out and sad why do you fucking try damage control even before it happens like yeah i am going to fuck him up

in the sense i'm going to expose him as a stupid folk be doesn't know anything about marxism

but i don't have to yell i'm going to let him say what he wants

and make his little points obviously i need him to make his points so i know what to respond to

the fog

this is such a cop

it's such a fucking cope

because let me tell you guys something when i dot fucking yell they start to talk over me and you guys notice that

you guys notice that one in a chat if you notice that

when i don't yell and shit they literally start to talk over me and they don't let me talk

that's what fucking happens

it's a war of domination

there's always these people will never have a civil conversation so yes it's going to be guerrilla games war of domination i guarantee you i'm going to be dominating this conversation

k

let's be clear about something

i'm going to be dominating this com rec let this little bitch ass talk over me because that's all they fuck and do is try to talk over me

stupid ditche

he's a very play partner then why didn't the audience immediately cope that i was going to yell over him

what do they what do they expect we anticipated

stupid fuck

when have i ever not wanted debate i always want every debate

i've always won i've let them i always say get to your point

i only start yelling over them when they don't get to a point they just mouth off about the tone they always make meta comomentary about my tone you ever notice how you're to shut the fuck up and make your point

they can't make points that i haven't addressed

i've never lost the debate on ironically i've never lost one

ironically i haveve never lost one

on ironically i've never lost a fucking debate in my life

yeat they always pivot the bullition

you know

it cant not piv it

is this pussy going to get in v c or no

what a pussy dod

what a litteral pusssy

what a literal pussy dude

he always pussies out

he's literally such a pussy

he wrote fucking five paragraphs

he can't come on and defend it like a man

because he knew he fucked up

he nknew he focked up

what a fussi he do

what a literal fucking unironic pussy

annagarakas whatever his fucking name is

literal unironic pussy

beards looking clean i'mbout to shave it dude i'mout to shave it

i'm going to shave it ofll so it's just the outline

it's getting too big and bushy

he's the biggest pussie in my oldessqard

he talks so much shit he can't defend anything

what a fuck in pussy

what a literal fucking pussy unironic bitch pussy

ok i guess this's his little thing his little essay means nothing then

he just was shit posting basically was trolling

he was just writing shit down he didn't even understand what he was saying

and now that i'm here to hold on to it he's not going to

he's not going to defend it

that's basically what's going on he wasn't serious

it wasn't actually a critique

it wasjust the shit post that wasn't even serious

he can't even defend anything he said

he didn't even know what he and i could tell because he din't even know what he was talking about

didn't even know the fuck you was talking about

such a persy

i can retard

none of our haters will ever so much as rise to the challenge of debating

they just can't do

who's this

how do i have this much haters

but no one wants to buck in debate

i got so many haters

but they're too scared to say it to me

they we know they wouldn't say it to my face i mean that's a given they wouldn't say it to my face

but they won't even get in v c and say dude

they won't even get in v c and say that

sip

all the shit talk they tell me

they talk so much shit dude

is julie the pitch

juliy the pussy

ah inferret is ugly common i'll debate julie too

deuli whatever the fuck his name is

because they know i know what i'm talking about

they know that i am not just

i'm not just

the shit

here

i'm not just a big gorilla here

the alpha gorilla

acpsually know what i'm talking about

whatever

you know what i mean

like they know i have that deadly combination

like i actually do know what i'm talking about

in ninety nine percent of the people who come to debate me

i'm just defending myself

because they make assumptions of because they have sound like a nerd so they think they can make assumptions about what i'm saying what i mean

you know

yeah they're used to reporting each other on twitter

they can engage in a free and open debate they just can't engage in a free and open debate

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thank you full much appreciate it man i just i don't know i'm too tired to talk about

i'm too tired for another discussion i can't have another discussion tonight

i'm too tired but thank you for much i appreciate it

i'm way too tired for another discussion ok i i'm i only

i can have a debate i can't

keep up with the discussion

because people out of bit aren't smart you know i'm sure voydburns got smart shit to say

logos actually smart

so like

it actually takes effort you know to keep up with the conversation

when i did baby but these are all fucky everyone who every one of my haters is retarded meant i don't have one smart hater

i don't have one smart aer ok so when i debate them it's the easiest thing in the world me it's super fucking easy

i have so much energy and it's super easy because it's literally

it's literally arguing with a fucking child pretty much

i don't have any smart haters or detractors eiven

no one's smart

no one's smart

ah who hates me

wise spinnows a bad

read conkant

spiritually philosophers try to explain the material the universe i what're talking about

schedule joel davies

doud our haters talk so much shit

they never show themselves

they never show themselves

they're so scared dude they're so fucking scared

they hater guys

so whenever you see haters of infraret i guess why you remember this shit

they're so scared

we'll aver get someone from the eff on the show probably eventually

eventually

art vandalting get in fuck and v c pussy

it's a falk and v c you fok and pussy

you're not scared come to bab me in v c

art vandaly

and get in v c

the fog

the fuckn we see

i ain't scared then where are you i'm waiting for you

you scared to shit

you scared to shit

i've been fucking waiting for you to come and show you then

what happened h

stupid bitche

i'm not joining exactly so you are scared

why does julie disagree with you on

he just talked a lot of shit about me

exactly

this is literally what they say

i'm not scared i just don't wanta g beated out right now

i'm not scared has i just don't want to lose ok i'm not scared has i just know you're smarter than me you know more than me

and i don't want to get slapped around in front of everyone exposed for be talking a lot of shit and not having any way to back any of it up

i would defeat hadan a debate both intellectual and physically prove it pussy

literally prove it

falking prove it you fulking pussy

litery can prove it

come fucking prove it me and tart virtue

no one at a time bee you get yours one at a time

you'll get yours one at a time

stupid pussy you need two people

no bitch

come to baby

tera get in v c

and if you want to test the whole physical theory you should test that

h con test that too

what do you mean so easy artvan get in v c

walking puscey

park's the guy who goes

all analytic philosophy is meaningless how are you going to debate when you just prove your retard who doesn't understand things

i don't get it that's all you're saying is you don't get it because you're too stupid

this castit meaningless what are you going a fucking debate about

prove it's meaningless

i'm finding meaning in it a lot of people find meaning in it

so prove it

the fog

you are a syllogism to defeat wasoh but you hate analyt yeah because i was mocking you people

three way debate w w es super slam thank you voider appreciate it man

appreciate it

you'll have to realize this is where it's poppen

i don't know if you guys

understand this is where it's pockt right

this is where she look at the title of the stream this is literally where shit is at all the fucking cool people are here

literally all the cool people are here

what do you think is going on here

this is where she's popping

we get the platform from twitch that's ok shit still is popping here

we're still here vibing we're still here you know shit its still going on here you know

it's ok you can deep platforms from twitch

i mean shit is still part it's a party every night you know every night

two hundred and weve got the two hundred army

but i'm trying to get to three hundred why are we still at two hundred you tube soits get more

get more on you tube why why we stuck at two hundred

you'll see three hundred

stop being so borned the fuck out of here bitch

how was the boy we had like a three hour conversation

you'll never get that anywhere else how was it born

how was it born

let me notify the cox to g in v c

let me change failed intellectual's name because he's deserving this

ah let me see

bailed intellectual where is he

right here

changing his name

a

biled intellectual cower

no way after it i did

w

it was not

perfect

say

he's a coward

got to change his name

witkenstein would intellectually dominate hegel he couldn't even fuck and dominate

been even fucking dominate

and burt ran russell how was going to fuck and dominate hagel

fok

he was just a troll at best

you should try to organize noll do i'm big enough

the wherere we just to get people coming like that

nobody wants cloud anymore you know

winkenstein was an engineer so he should stick to being a fucken engineer

and stop talking about philosophy which has nothing to do with that

how about that

itittginsteiin

it can stam

he was literally fucking schizo

he was a schitzo troll

should stick to engineering

as the karos i always see you talking shit about islam in the jaz

the're always sitting on islam all the time on the chet

what is your problem

literally what is your problem

wetgenstein was not a genius he was a spur

you guys don't think i notice you in the chat i fucking remember everyone

i remember everyone

okay

i remember all of you and all your sins

i know all of your sins i know each and every one of your sins

first of all i read the had the

so

yes i remember you jennifer of course i do you're the first person in the chat

name my sins g man

you're never a year

no need for german idealism materialism

there's no such thing as materialism without german idealism

do you remember yes i do with the most annoying fart

you actually know your sins

what do i think of the laruche movement there coul

debate kevin cast

t in b c if he gets in b c i'll do the band right now if he gets in b c

debate

u i got in religious forums to defend islam until twenty sixteen

o youre exgs muslim

oh shit you're ex muslim

pinion shane come and b c i'm not going to yell at you just curious i was the next muslim too

i'm just cterious

ho ca we see not can i yell you what can you mean

so you can't spooke me youread to forgot my sins no void wur you'll have sins you p

ah

i'm a

ex muslim too religion is nothing but a cruch

staric you're literally the fucking unit

boy slave of the anglos that's what you are tiring

you literally

abandon islam to become an adolidtard

you're literally a traitor to everything

you're the biggest trader dude

you literally the fucking boy unit of the fucking

anglos

you literally are

the parking

eunch bussy for anglos

you literally give your bussy to anglers

religion is the opium for the masses

sort of beits

what's your take on palestine versus israel israel i don't recognize the

read the islamic and you will change your opinion

two

dude i used to be an ex muslims but i still kind of am

i don't know if i

i used to be an muslim too what you're fuck i'm talking about

think i'm just like some fanatic

ink i'm like some fanatic guy i'm not

i literally left islam and was an atheist for a long time

do you drink at all hos not really actually i really don't

honestly i don't

send me the fatoos recipe

n

what do i think about

well

i don't know much about it

i send to you that the

solution in

qoranism

is qoranism in reform

i used to think that too but it's not possible

koranism is not possible

as it is a liquidationist position hadids

cannot be

liquidated

i send you to the slute

boranism is not

is liquidation it's historically liquidations

you can' just

negate how historically people have

interpreted the quote on

it's part of the history to

ex muslims think islam is inherently reactionary

because they have foccon

they have

they're brainwashed by white people

they think that initially and then they're going to come back

when they realize whate people will never accept them

you will always be muslim

you can't leave islam you'll always be muslim

what are my favorite books

you coat ont

honestly if you

debated keith woods

who is he

what are your thoughts on white people

they need to stop being obsessed with dogs

liberals will dominate the world willve fucking clock dude

little your pok

literally you fluck in

zero

you're fuking

he he's advertised in that bosy for the anglo

he's literally advertising bussy for the anglles

that's what he's doing in the chat

he's advertising his bussy for the anglos

that's what he's doing

you read

heathwoods is a very popular third position guye

i love how no one just comes in c to talk tohit like

the v c is open

you literal me just get't shoke you i drag you up no one will falk andn do it

proscure

what are your thoughts on hidinger and douggin

i like them

why do i hate pit bulls

i hate other people's pitples but i might do one myself

bukuyama himself retracted his theory

yeah i know

video chat yeah

you can get on video

you can get on a video do i watch mm a sometimes

you have see yes sometimes

my thoughts on heid again

is that is a conti cok on ap would dominate him yet did we get it you're given up that

that middle eastern boosi to the anglo

you're giving up that bussie

that brown bussy to the anglo that's what you're doing we get it man we get it

don't worry i'll angls in the chet

there you go he's given up free brown bussi for you there you go

there you go

is haideger a europeanoid

he's european but at least he's not a racist

at least he uh

he's against at least iideger

is compatible with our traditions

idevers compatible with islam he's compatible with our traditions

that bucoking anglo bullshit you talmy compatible it's not compatible

i'd videotell you but i'm not like a political genius

i could

possibly

pirs i would feel you just screaming

then don't come

you think being in time was a cope forho history and class consciousness is satanic

it's an evil book it's an evil work

i completely reject it

i did it was right

history and class consciousness

is the most needlilistic shit ever

imagine leaving islam to become an anor anallittard exactly dude

how was ideer so misled

becaus he was a fucking german dude

why do i have to choose between islam and anglo and you don't you don't have to but if you're muslim you do

islam needs a reformation

islam will never be reformed but muslim culture can be reformed

ok what's the sassoo shit about hah

how will the sect seen after the communist take over

you still won't get any pussy

who was the sesssun thing was the sessun thing

what made you go back to islam

it's complicated

let's examine shut up taric with the fut

someone come in and explain what the sasoins mean

but come in and explain what saturm you're talking about what are you talking about sasurm

would you talk about sassoin

what do you mean what is a sassoon

some jewish family from baghdad

but you think when logo said lues was an opp he's probably right

the luse probably was 'tk

wouldn't surprise me

that doesn't mean i don't i think he's not worth

understanding but he probably wasn't i don't buck int um

ya marcusa was a falken hawt

i know that

whose it wasn't

viattari made him an arp

maybe

ots on gram she overrated

sassoon is responsible for the opium war what the fuck is that

ine und is better than hagel

she was a fucking

she copied lenon

ein ran copied lenon

thught a lord

only non cia op

maybe

there are many arabic cool philosophers probam as hadeiths

no the prom is philosophy

philosophy is the problem religion's fine philosophies wll ruins everything

lots of people from the balconies

a

opinions on going on

l'm wearing aavolala

they're all interesting

would you take on neg onants

he scramched

what do you iss

someone is in show you

oh my god ill k hold on

' is this falconlo beach

what are beas

on nutrited

on mutual shit

he's literally muted

with the fuck is this

literally muted

literally muted

literally muted

literally muted

he's literally muted himself

you're australian

okay

go here

you're from new zealand

why cant sal that island from those

those people the maori

pardon

like what you doing in that place like you stole that whole ship from the maori

a i beat if you say so

like what are you e been doing in that part of the world

how do you know i'm not married

becuse i know we're out there with you

shure whatever you say

you're not urried

i beade if he says that

show me your face you're not maurried

the i

how to you knowo

because you're in my club jayl that's why

ah

very co so anyway

but is this is this like pin y stream

no no it's just uh

it's just in private i just want to talk in private

however

what you had to talk about

so

first of all

what are you doing in that

that place in the world like

you just sailed a boat in just

decided to live on that land whath s you got to do with that land

what am i get to do with that lb and i just live out it i guess

i' be so as long as everyone respect once you go back i

well european people are settled here now so like it kind of makes

that's for them to just stay in re let me ask a question what's the point of new zealand

tell me what new zealand does for the world why sh what's the point of it just like any other state it's an organization why should i re so best why should i respect the sovereignty of new zealand

like

who said new zealand deserves to it

shouldn't indonesia take over that place

w why in din sha

i don't know why it's a dgia for any particular s like

just for fun i'm just saying like what

like what does new zealand do for the world besides

talk about kiwis you know

i

well i would participate to global trade it's just an organization of people making up a state justvery other state

what do you trad kiwis lots of food stuff

milks quite a big thing here

that's it

yeah

but i'm sure there's other fing that's not gods heaps abouter things actually that's not good enough pep heaps of like food products and stuff

that ain't good enough

that's not what people really like that food

what is evid i'm never be done to anyone

what do is new zealand done for the world what's the point of the

provided

people were fied by produc a get that sellgin

not good enough

shaw

it wiped in my jail

why are you in jail

because you put the a there a gds

ask yourself that question

why i put you in jail

wh you put me in jail

yeah

i'm not exactly sure be artest

but i would be very pleaced enoughf you could tell

why do you people have a problem with me

might who's ight the phone with you

i i just say all you know people from new zealand and australia

and that part of the world you all got a big problem with me and i want to know why

well how do you do if you dont some like everyone

so many of my haters come from there

h

to that well that's funny

so wait why di i why did i put you in jail

because he felt like it i guess as i say ask yourself that question what did you do that was warranting that result

once again you have to ask yourself that question

ae i i don't fuk and remember

how long have you been in jail

hap to go would thinku

as you know

why still post in jail then alic why are you still here

i don't

but it's perfy often actually occasent labor b to people that sincerely where you from what's your community from

like online

what what what online community from

what do you mean by that

like a

like what

like what a do you like a destiny fan

ah no test that he's ok but i have some serious issues with him

something like a boston

ah yeah vo is pretty cool

we wash f he's mostly good

he's fat as he

of

great arcument sho

what's that

that was a great icuupment

i'm blowing away

am i wrong

well i i don't see how it matters to be quite honest

but he's cringed

he's french

yeah say that

like i don't know ok you're a wash fan so i want to get in the mind of a wash fan like

do you what do you see in him

how can you sit for hours a day watching that guy

i do was fire w that do you i finre like you like shs a lot of stuff right yeah do you do you aspire to be like that you realize the people you watch and becom

so you want to look like him you want to be as fat as him

you want to talk like him

you want to like be love n know that is it why i watch people actually that's i watch them because i like their ideas the would be physiciss a a human being is the product

of their soul

so every all of wasoh's ideas

you're looking at the end result when you look at him you're looking at the end result of all of his thoughts and views

and that's the a

ah i see

yeah

so why do you admire that and why do you want to become that

i'm sorry but i don't think that's how ideology is our works

you're looking at what you're looking at the sum total you're looking at the end result

what if you sad

what have his what

i said whatever you say

that's true idio you wont look you think you're going to find an admirable man who has wash his use

like a man you would aspire to be

who has vosh his views you would not

t think about it and i ok ok what regulates our willingness to say certain things and believe certain things

ultimately

it has to do with what type of person we are

right

the reason aso says go thing illl you if you say do really lugly things you become ugly physically

i don't think that's a very it's veryfferent way of telling have you seen an attractive person ugly views

um ya right i this i ha

show me this like

there's like plenty of attractive people if iuglily show

show you do you want some example yes show me an example

thiss of like ok let's find some exub

show me

you consider ugly views like

just look at this like

is a

physically

attractive you might say people with

literally any ideology the stuff doesn't sey you much of a bear w

how right you are o

ya who keps it

i'm not i'm not going to go name names be cause the you're just going to off on some were tangent

now tell me it

o just just look it up just look up like attractive conservative or something and you'll get hips of results just think off the top of your head

sure you

no

if you say so look at the difference between a guy named mendel and licencle who's uglier

that two people you're comparing you could mendod and licental who's uglier

go ae

wo's that plare

i r rendel is fucking ugly

wait so you foelt you felt what example so that what example proves this whole role

ok name one ugly communist name one ugly prominent communist

um

i they do

karl marx was

no he wasn't

there's nothing ugly about this it was quite which doesn't really hoch that you are you talking about

name one prominent ugly communist

name one

one prob well i most of them are old so i mean are you just going to dismiss that as they're old so it doesn't count or

no its not going to count of the just old

ya okay so then

wehll i don't know where you want me to look so the end of the point soo i don't like just look by watching my w ly b i watching to w you're becoming that you're literally becoming that type of person

like you never noticed sd you ever notice when voss laugs his tddy start bouncing is that what you want to be

i don't think this is how viewing cont it works and he's so flabbydies he's so flabby his tiddies bouncing everywhere his milkshakes bringing all the boys to the yard

that's what you want

your fell of comfliments but

no well i would prefer the dot be like overway but

know it's not just be it's not just that he's overweight

when he laughs

his whole body sweating and shaking it's the most disgusting thing

is that what you want to be

i din't see this is your outlook so why do you watch i don't really care

i wouldn't want to look exactly like you either felt like that wouldn't stop me a watching of you guess what i take care of myself

i take care of myself guys good

ya co

so i am a motel

to look up ance aten

like when i say like oh do you think people should follow your example probably

go yeah go go work out be take care of yourself you know i'm saying be about your business

and uh you know have some swagger about you and i think i am a good model for people to look up to

and you know

yeah i do bipe it

i bet that stars

it's very cover

but when i watch political content i'm looking for i'm looking at someone's political idea it's all like the sace looks like

it's thea but i listen

was

it's all

he is the end proroduct of his views

he is then

he is what it

you want to o what does it look like for someone to believe what was does look at boss that's what it looks like

i be

do you can you think of anything that'serhaps like a little bit more serious to discuss other than

bush ugly so he was also i would even say he's ugly by the way ys al proably like a over way

no he's in'ally he about

he's ugly

i read if you say so but that's like a pretty subjective sort of effect so not every wean s on and also on

he's stupid he doesn't know anything

isn't he he's just stupid to hows he stupid tell me about it he doesn't know anything about any of the subject matters he talks about

ah does it

well you can you like give me an example

do you know anything about marks

are you talking about the um

the this evil voting thing

everything

he doesn't know anything about anything

well i don't i haven't like looked at all the dips of fary so i'm probably not going to bother to feed agm there but how do you feel about less evil voting

it's retarded

how

what do you mean how because it's not about whether it's the lesser evil or not

it's about the facts

that

wash treets

voting as if

you're doing

what everyone is going to like

he treats it as though like you're acting in such a way that

you should have the reasonable expectation that everyone should and would act the way you're acting

but what os doesn't understand is that

he's not addressing a universal subject w' going to determine

how people vote

how people vote at the polls

is not determined by

b what they arrive at rationally logically or by what political streamers tell them on youtube

so he's act is completely pointless when he told people to take the less aricle because it's not even your choice to make play because peopleo

people do vote based on these what they say on by and large you think political campaigns spend money on online advertising but no but by and large people are not going to be voting

paceed on

mm

rational

ah

conclusions drawn by people like wash or even them th and hom of them well

some of them absout not decisively

m that's not necessarily true some yes elections come down like a few hundred votes which

could be the difference between a

good

a beitter person or a worst person wen still not absolutely makes a difference still not decisive

well i i you say so but absolutely cad' the

no but it's not

but by that okay by thats

that ok let me ask you this if bo if someone like bosh is the size

right as we say

he's decisive

why didn't he

so why isn't bernie president of the united states

that would be like

i think that's kind of what makes a littleally no sense

it' why not i

because ch doesn't have that kind of influence but you juss stt he did

in certain situations he could but that doesn't mean he can get little why can't w so why can't he use that as leverage and tell the democrats hey democrats if you don't have bernie

i'm not going to you're not going to have the site voter baseyes and we're not going to vote and then trump's going to win

yes he can do that but he doesn't yet have wife leverage

in that situation if he doesn't have the leverage if he doesn't have the leverage situations how but if he doesn't have the leverage to get the candidate that he wants

he doesn't have the leverage

to get byed elected over trump either

see

wile he potentially can and ifvery ot makes a difference in these situations we've had elections that we don't know what no lect you're saying it's not about the lesser evil's just about atentially he can

but

you can a ok usually could a biofer why doesn't that but if you can potentially make the difference that should also figure into the calculus of the democrats and he should be able to use it as leverage

because the democrats want to

win more than voh wants them to win the democrats want to win over trump

so

why do we need wash to have that calculus of that potential why can't that potentiality be recognized by the democrats

in voss can use it as leverage get bernie elected

becauseough its leapdge can make a difference is important it still isn't large enough for the democratic idy to take seriously

ramber this is a huge political organization so why do't so why is ok if the democratic party isn't taking a seriously

why would

as a moral agent

someone not voting be at fault for trump getting elected when it was the democratic party's fault

the're not recognized

what do you mean

by that

i don't think it's like someone who doesn't vote i wouldn't

put all the moral blame on them if trump got elected again

but i would say they should have voted to prevent that from happening but i wouldn't like put full moral responsibility on to them or anything

boss tellingan ineplet of vote is not decisive

and even if i was made a difference though elections have come down withen you're saying can make a difference you know what yes you know what you know it is actually certain to make a difference

spending her time energy and resources

instead of voting building an alternative to the

two party duopoly

you can that's not a can and yt and you can i can

that sounds awesome let's do both of those things no you can't do both

voting doesn't take that much time you can vote can tell people i vote for biden

you can't tell youeople to vote for bting because it's going to stick with you

was telling people to vote for bitings in atic

he will never have any legitimacy or credence in any type of anti estousment third party

because he was the guy who was shilling for biden

no that's not true you know he's even slightly intelligent can notice that lis everyole voting and being anti establishment oh no one thinks it's like and crit is d in me of the establishment for most american people is but he's still a lisa evil chalk thk you so much dollars tanky thank you so much cocky appreciate it yeah it isn't i don't care whatut your whole lesser evil type of bu less lesser evil is it's reredy of poet

lesser evilism assumes that it's your choice to begin with how is it your choice it's not your choice

waight no it doesn't

you just get put in certain situations and thre evel the right wd ru lesser evil according to which choice

the bit in ver trump was not your choice to make

that's the difference if it was your choice to make it

you should have gotten bernie elected

so it's not your choice but the whole point of liss ep was that he wasn't a choice to leave those t so why can you say bernie is not a choice but i can't say by is not a choice a primary why didn't you lie why did you se the primary

because people didn't vote for him

okay didn't get enough so so those people

don't have to ooever bte them either

beause abiden cad they don't have it to listen i sy why this is why people like wasoh fuck over socials everything

because listen

this is what he should have done

since you democrats don't need the bernie vote

bll good luck with ram

see

what

yeah tell you a library of that a little said okay since you don't need us

you should be reasonably willing to risk trump getting elected by not voting

because the democrats have already

given you i

what they think that they don't need you

yeah the democrats don't think they need you but

that's because the democratic party is bad and we know ok is why we call it listen so why are you defense why a you why you keep propping them up why don't you let them get defeated again so won't get away with the law do letterm get away with you'r enabling them you're like enabling an abuser why do we etting them get away with what

why i would rather and i would rather enable the weak abuse of than worse abuse take overse with it why is trump so much worse is what list evil voting is why you so much worse

what wise

why is trump worth yeah

i'm look at look at social policy that's like a build a good study for example

i'm his

his views on on

his social could sevtism who can pt even i you always go to the thing that's about your p p

just kep it in your pos

way i don't know what you're talking about butight always talk about like

you always go to sex you know it's the first thing on you feel like so is restricting the someth that somehow it is ho he's restricting your pep

just keep it in your pants dude this the first thing i went to what i asked you why trump is more evil in the first thing you went to was about your p p

why know it wasn't it was social issues i i am assuming you tolt you was some bullshit that the very important

like what for example absolutely means something like what like racism

ok you talk y racis bidens more racist than not just racism i'm talking about a lot hos i was how is biden less racist than trump practically speaking

i cad biden at least rhetorically

by it and it's very like what is morean time bas this means so so the so so wll wait if rhetorically is a measure of something why can't we just rhetorically be against trump rather than vote against him

why do we have to take action to vot against him

great because

o k this is really weird

viorick mattis but that's not saying retoric is the b ole and indol

this mot wu but its it sightly enough for you to to tell people to tell your audience to go

get out of bed and go vote

and waste ther time voting it's decisive enough

for you to tell him to do that

um ya it is

because i think people should fo so so why why is that the site why is it of such decisive significance rhetoric

if rhetoric is of decisive significance

then you can just say

i rhetorically oppose trump but i don't want to hold against him di you did you consider that perhaps my rhetoric

and joe biden's rhetoric might be on different levels but it sure social sure but i'm telling you joe bidens rhetoric is completely meaningless has no practical significance

so just just to make you feel good basically

so it's anotter

it's enough that biden makes you more comfortable and makes you have to avoid

the objective racism and you don't have to actually

confronted

you can just ignore it like you always did before

someone who's taken seriously by millions of people is very important and influences the real world to a cow stin

how

because i do you unember the coup when trump supports attacked the capitol building that was walterck not a wass

oliangmrk the capital

that was a result of trump's rhetorate

not why should i here about what happened at capitol hill i don't care what happens so democracy we democracy democracy can suck my cock

i don't care about it

why don't you like to mock christa

first of all all they did was go in the white house and shit up everything why should i care

everyone was celebrating all over the world

you doo they we

thedut i i cant it so

fascist

so how are they how are they pag

how were they fashes

first of all because they they

i mean some of them were literally wearing like kee or notot okay sh so i didn't notice a lot of them doing i thought i just saw a lot of boomers and trump people just going into the capital and just you know kind of like partying up and shit

i don't cared i don't care about capitals i don't care about januar s i don't care about it

like that doesn't scare me at all and you're saying because they don't respect the result of the election

but look what the fucking libs did aan election night when trump got elected so

i want y short

storm the capitoal

yet they had some and they did everything but that dud they stormed everything but that who fucking heres if they s storm who cares that the storm the capitalistus optics that there's not anything material or concrete or real that i should care about whyre you warding water for the optics of the american state in the fucking democrat why are you doing so much work for them

you means let them

like they don't if they don't if they don't do you're like a you're enabling an abusive spouse they don't

let em let them let em see how well they do without hohy do you hold down i you live in new zealand too do why do you you live in fuck in new zealand why do you even care

oh i care about people in other countries yes i i care about people you you don't you're so bor here's a guy news aland who's so bored that you

get involved with american politics because

it's somewhat exciting gives a sense of meaning in your life

but at the end of the day you don't have a fuck

prety f newd care about people youly care about people you don't care about shit

ah well i've mad it what if you say

i sore you co disagree you don't care about people you don't know people how do you know them you have to know them to care about them how do you know about

you don't know that

i don't have to know someb all this shit is an etiological phantom in your head do you all here about work is do you care about it's always etiological phantom in your head i as my question do you care about works

i'm not a firty

no we don't consider it in like that type way do you care about wre

nice on you

care about that you don't care about i'm not a pilanthrop i'm not a philanthropist

nx what so you don't care about the proletariat what does that mean care about what am ei their mother i'm their motherly i'm caring about them as their mother i

do you care about the well being of the proletariat or that's the nanny statement i has nothing to do with the proletarian conus ill the proletariat but if you're a decent person you should care about the mediawa

but i'm not a nan i'm not a big mother i'm not somee big i'm not a big nanny i'm not a big nanny who's like holding m caresing in my arms oh i care about you

it's not how class politics works

uh though it said it did caring about someone doesn't mean you're a nanny like nourishing i don't so you just mean care about you you don't even

do what do you mean care that isn't the fucking talk i nothing to do with the last struggle i'll p that has been nothing to do with class struggle or class politics ok what you're talking about is just a bunch of alkion

laring about a terria has nothing to do with it sounds right here you what you mean care about this sounds weird i care about i so so pretentious that is you assume like you're like you're like you you're in power something you care about do the fucking mean

your goal isn't to kick your goll your goal isn't to care about them

your goal is to actually

stead in motion a political independence of the working class so they can seize powerll isn't yet

care dude for you a care there well so w way you know mark said that the only people who can free the working class the working class themselves

and the reason he said that is because

the point isn't that people who care philanthists who care about the workers are going to

you know do things for workers

his point is that the workers are going to do it themselves what we mean and you can be a part of that you can be a part of that but it has noth to do like

carring about them

like that just means you're so divorced from the working class that you're not even a part of their shit

i'm so divorced from the working class that youre about the

i'm part of the working class and i care about other people wor

cls i just care about you w

what do you mean byre it's such a weird language

it's a weird language dude

doesn't like make you come

saying you care about someth no it's you know what you're saying you stop talking making this more complicated you know i saw

i what i'm saying is very simple

i i mean i soaw it bey on board with that uh

apparently not

apparently don't do you don't know no one cares

no one's in us so how about i'll tell you this

no one gives it shit about politics

because they care about people

so wh why do you pay any attention to pobics

and that's absolute because politics is actually an objective site

oh aur

something that is part of us in motion

like it's actually an objective sight in which

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objective sociality our common reality

is suspended in reality it's not because we it's not about charity it's not be about being a good person

it's literally the fact

that it is an objective site in which business is being attend to and we have business to attend to that's what it is basically

it's not about this moral bulllight on business to attend to

because it's literally part of its or it's sing liberator

dude it's part of your

realys live bruce carery about the proletarian shut up b chat to shut up a reat interesting chat talking to shat talking to me

i do i'm just looking at your chat i'm sorry

i can sorry

why should it why should i should i not care about the probletariat it seems kind of like a weird thing for a socialist to say no go care about yous here abut your family she care about your family

if you if you want to if you really think you're worthy of being involved in all this like socialist politics and shit

you've got to read rethink you know where you're coming from with this whole thing this is not about charity this is not about simply being a morally good person

this is about participating in a class struggle

which is beyond you individually and it's beyond your fee fees individually

longes thans for the five the rant agains caring is beyond base god bless me thank you mamy appreciate the five man thank you so much

ok yes clss trickle matches

week yet about what ks and their well beting you don't ca the don't fucking care about worre you care about your family care about your friends you you don't care about you what do you fuking tell you show weird and condescending you don't care about them dude

wait i pd to cut the city i but pee little become the standing but you just listen it for you to for you to care about anyone in the way you're talking about

assumes

that

you have some kind of access or relation to them that's not mediated

in a fundamental you're not alien them in this fundamental way through politics

you're not actually directly ax accessing or influencing people's life

in politics i hope you know that you're not

it's not what politics is

politics is about how it's not about

politics is not about policy making or charity it's about power that's what real politics is about

it's not actually about being a good person doing aod business

yes but you use

tell me

policy

politics

all about

policy

theo know politics is not extended philanthropy it's not about policy

it's not

policy is secondary to power

m

when you have power when you have power when you have power you can do whatever policy is you want

the whole point of the theory of class struggle

is that there's a discontinuity

associates

that doesn't allow us to be

think conceive of ourselves as universal subjects

who are merely competing over different policy ideas to implement

regardless of what we want to implement in terms of policy there is a fundamental class distinction

which means

all that matters is that the proletarian class or its organs or its political party whatever is in power

what policies it does doesn't it's secondary thought

just that it's wh is that level of this division and distinction

proroletara and pow would bely co because i care about

litaria why would you want them in power if you don't

you're not

it's not that i want them in powers that there's an objective class truggle happening

there's an obser white last ro aras if you don't care about them

what do i what

why

ok if you don't care about the probs carr it why would you want them in power why wouldn't you just like people i didn't say i want them in power i said there's an objective class struggle going on and yet if you take you take us your item why

the proletariat if you don't care about them

why what

why do you side with the

rolatteria and this postraco

if you don't even care about them why you just like sit there and be neutral like a lot of people a lot of people don't care about clots why don't you just be some political politic neutral like

random guy

because youre about

ok yeah because ok it's a tough question actually

because it's tough to like know how to answer

because why would one side with the proletariat

because

because you are not willing to betray

a

andan insight

were

position

you think it is true

you think it is objectively true that

the future belongs to the prob embody the position of social truths

and the future of history you're not willing to let go of that

just because the powers that be make it convenient to you just believe that fundamentally

you're not willing to beltray it's because i'm not willing to betray a memory that's why

it was very fun funny say you triy to answer that without saying you care about it

probletariat but sure

s

ya will

i mean i would never say i would never answer

i would never give the answer that i it's because i care about them i would even if we weren't talking about this i would never give that answer intuitively or an acp like that doesn't come naturally or intuitively to me whatsoever what you're saying

it sounds really bizarre and weird

it's not about like philanthropy toude

that's so condicent

and that's why

that' why that's why people like you

that's why first of all stay in new zealand by don't ever come to america we don't need more people like you

because you people will never make socialsm popular america he american workers fuck and hate people like you they hate people who try to they hate the fucker hate people like you who try to turn them into a fucking

charity case where they're just asking for handouts and shit

people workers have dignity due they fuck and hate people like you do

they fuck and hate people like you

i know you really want totroy

there's a differencet caring about people and talking down to them like what you're doing when you saying oh i care about you what you mean you care the don't know any of them

cay sight

rellly my friend you care about your family and you care about your friends you don't you don't care about all these anonymous people here about the as i clarified

it's not about looking to them it's about caring about thebt being

who are you who are you to attend to their well being

who are you to do that

bd why have you given yourself that that tense of power that you are

you are going to oversee their well beon whatsoever

but

you live in new zealand how are you going to oversee the well being of the workers of america

i guess like the internet exists so i could like influence another country through that or i could like

so you like it right so you think you're going to influence

whatsoever

you're going to attend to the well being of the american workers by being on the fucking internet

we

not like but but like i think everything makes a difference and i think heats of people political

to call the in

that's what i think

so what what do you mean everything makes a difference to co it doesn't make any difference whatsoever

you're not attenmpding to to anything

you're not attending to the american workers whatsoever

how are you ret think to them

please let me talk

effects f his political

with es influenced by what they see on bline

listen

do you think thatmy point i know your point is when workers see

you

people

you make it worse for yourself because they don't want to vote for they don't want to go near people like you

you make it worse ud you make it worse they fucking hate you do proletariat would like some screaming you l toic like you more than someone like me on ironically yes

ironically yes

i ged fourteen

dude i get mail i get d m s all the time from actual workers who literally tell me

that they love my shit n

truckers they tell me they fucking vibe with my shit people tell me oh my uncle likes you my

my dude people to dude i really know for a fact

workers like my shitp

like more than you would august

i'm sure there's like a few

likeace slightly delusional workers who like yourself

but most you look at what do you see workers what you going workers like more

real working class people eding like more alex jones or voss

they like alex jon

the of your audience and working class people are like a little not somen most amst

most the sudos is working outs a big audience but that's for a notuly com

pad raise and so it i promise you you don't know workers do you talk about workers you don't know who the workers are to you don't know who the workers are calling them to lusional you're so fucking condescending and patronizing

first you're going to attend to their welfare

you're going to be in that psition of power going to be in charge of overseeing their welfare

now you're going to say they're delusional when they don't agree with you who's patronizing u you're very patronizing

they how am i patronized because i care about workers

no because you're assuming you're in a position to attend to their welfare

so you don't care about you' like their nanny you're like their nanny you're going to care at nw i'm in a position w you don't give a shit

you don't give a shit

but theo i i'm a privilege no i don't want to give a shit about them what you care about is the represuts you care about the representation in your

y log

gohea

was that was it really worth interrupting me to just say that literally something poped up and let me speak

i'm actually educating people and saying interesting shit every time you interrupt me you say dumb shit was it really worth interrupting my sentence to say that let i sudden your fucking mouth and listen

you don't care about actual fucking workers you care about the representation you have in your head that makes you feel like you're a good person and it makes you feel good but you don't actually care about them themselves you don't care about them in the depth of their otherness you just care about you feeling better about yourself

oh that's not true yes that is one in the chat it's true you said you believe in democracy right once in the chat its tru

democracy i ok one thing that shout have be true

pardon

let's see

pot

they're single to

is there a single t there's not i haven't seen a single tu yet

what what is this beit toret all wane it

it proves everyone watching this agrees with me you don't fucking actually care about s a live straight i made like

co the sa

but this tuesay wow

there's one the ok there's

two to s and so far and s your audience and still you could that even be that

clime

there's two to so far

and actually i feel about yourd sp most of

okay you don't think i have eight watchers i do

you this is so obvious if you were

if i ged an audience like as big as yours and i was debating you in front of me yeah agree with me

just how audiences work it's like really this is really simple stuff

youa know i guess i'm saying like everyone i'm not ust like it's not just me like everyone can see it too you know

like i want a slp to

say we ran against each other in an election

view one and a whatiction

then i would allow you to take power because i believe in democracy

why didn't you let trump take power silently and peacefully

i didn't do any violencewen trump to power but a lot of di let did

they did he it it wasn't one of them and i disagree because you live in fucking new zealand that's what it's

that's the same thing

i

y i did w did did you at the time question the validity of trump selection

be honest

i think he well obviously i don't like the electoral college but i think if you have the

exactly and you people were saying it was it was rigged it was russian intervention rigged

nh i never see anything about musch i know you want me to but i never see anything about that

ok the other thing but you b bt the electoral college well that's democracy in america

no that's not democracy ch i dislike it

so america is not a democracy according to you

a

it's not it is a democracy in some ways but not as much a so of america's got a democracy how are the capitol hill rioters

destroying democracy by going to the capitol

ocracy but it's a very

uh fit and

flot demok but you gd you you rejected the outcome of the democracy in twenty sixteen

oh i didn't i said i don't likely beoral college i never rejected the outcome assuming because the electoral college was a system in place for that lak which mean ok let me ask you a question

you acknowledge that the d n c has engaged in undemocratic interventions that change the outcome of the primaries twenty sixteen twenty twenty

by the sound of it y

but we know that right

yeah so why were voters fascists for questioning the

the the way in which votes were counted in the general

when there's already a precedent of the deep state

intervening elections against the popular will

okay if you

if you get a no aid

because the democracy was ag that doesn't mean you're attacking democracy that means you're promoting democracy that's why the attack the they attack the capitoal because they genuinely believe

that it was rigged

firs sly they were wrong and top of them probably no you cad say they're wrong with they're not fascist do they just believe they were riged

eddie trump lost

yeah but they thought it was rich they genuinely thought it was ri

and they were wrong which is the important power you ok but

they didn't think they were wrong

but they were but they didn't think they were

ok but they were still wrong like at some you're saying they're wrong they're saying they weren't

you can't just have an unconditional truth you got to defend your truth

you didn't convince yourn that they were wrong

they thought they were right so you can't say they're fascists how are they fascists

because they attack democracy

according to them you attacked democracy

yeah but they're wrong which is the important but doesn't matter if objectively speaking they're wrongor we find out later that they're wrong they didn't believe they were wrong

but they genuinely didn't think they were wrong which means they weren't attacking democracy you're right

people who do a things think they are right i don't care what they think i caw really shes

pardon

how were they fascs

because they were attacking they were like far right wing like deranged conceervatives attacking to secre first of all just because they were conservative militia libertarian type people

h the not fascist

and who cares who cares that so you think the capital is a symbol of democracy

obvious absolutely tell that to the long tire focking world

that never has any democracy because of american imperialism

you think so that's why you're a fucking new zealand asphalt

you're so houck and divorced from what actually people in the world think

all the people around the world were telling me when that show was happening how they were laughing and

celebrating yeah the empires coming down that's what they all were thinking but meanwhile cox like you are soni this is an attack on the democracy talk

a cack yok no one else sees it that way but you

because you're an outbo

only anglo see dos an attack in democracy

everyone else saw it as an attack on american imperial

domination of the world

good thing

because trust me if they got power imperialism would have been a lot worse do you think fascists

care about the rights of foreigns of coursero did everything he could

the pull out of everything they just found out the generals just found out

trump wanted to get out of syria he wanted to get out of afghant he wanted to get out of everything but you lives didn't let him iran he wan to get i di't

you what

he wanted to get into iran and north korea he didn't

he dead no he didn't john bolton in the republicans that he didn't want to do that shit he wanted to make peace with kim john moon

and he didn't want to go have no bad business with kim jong wu

the israeli robbie and john bolton and ship

made trump uh

you know piss off iran and shit

he dodn't want to do that bullshit

you don't want to go to war

trump escalated drones strikes men

p simply

so that's just the continuation of the obama years ain't nothing new under the sun

relate to them so that's not actually accurate no they were rising they were rising the lines going up it doesn't matter whose president

so now you're literally defending trump

yeah

yout whatver in trumpet

strikes what how you lit to the position of defending trump and his joint strike no i'm not i'm saying it's a say should is obama it's not particularly trump

it's just the same continuity of the american deep state

it's what

it's the continuity of the american deep state

dude you are soiling your pants really you were really this is an attack on mocracy

democracy is under attack do you think america is a democracy

this is not a democracy do the cok you talk about

why do you why do you sound like like a

m s m like

you're holding water for the establishment this is our democracy our democracy like just because do't sound like the people on t v doesn't mean i respect he was legitimate

that's what you w boss you and boss need to understand

that just because you sound like the people on t v doesn't make you seem more legitimate it just makes you look like cox

why should i respect america as a democracy

why should you respect to me

yacause about because that yeah because demok

i'm not saying respect america i'm saying respect democracy these why should i respect american democracy as legitimate

think you should respect y tobt

chrisi

because i w'm s i think it's real

it's not a real democracy there is no real democracy

corporation rule there's no real democracy in america it's all rigged

it's no it's not all rate it's flawd but it's still a demon the deep state still in power the deep state still in power

no one voted them then

no one voted against it

is this like hillary clinton's demons

have you moved this far into trump territory

you don't believe there's a deep state

what i do what you

by that because you

good by

thank

or you could be deranged but you believe the t

i dont

you think do i think this one

it all depends what you mean b i guess it's like you could describe it s there're just onan electable power that rules america

um if you mean like it

capitalis

class yet

it scelga mean whatk huge amount of connittery

the capitalist

possible buts

what do you mean thepit who's the capitals class

on the bush was is that aduction who is that who

reduction are the is that any institutions in particular any anything or you just saying people who have money

i'm sayings i'm telling a lot of capitalists who do not rule there's a lot of capitalists as according to you don't so

the ones who do

you' know the ones wo still it's just a democracy likes the rockp like the ford foundation the rockefeller's and all those people

yeah they do do they do rule it doesn't matter who's in power they rule

sure in the old bush was a capitalist i thought you mean to be a socialist i'm not even that like radical i sound like more of a socialist

why

be what architect care joseph stalin six twenty five thank you so much the appearances are you being like shut up shut upzzy

a bottle ar thank you so much read it b a lot explains philosophy for the left th it has reduced to floating signifiers

pure appearance the nelism of meaning the mode of disappearance is in the essence of bread to

oz plays above the pretens of meaning he operates in seduction thank you

joseph on appreciate man appreciate twenty five thank

anyway as we were talking

what were we talking about

talk about like what if it i you would you like a weird trump spport an hour orre you just like

i'm in the castule sea

i'm a communist with capal o g type of communist real type of communist shit international perspective type a communist communist as they exist outside of america bringing the real communism to america you know i'm saying capital c type a communist real type of communist o g type of shit you know i'm say sometimes i'm fviby trump the guy's hilarious i don't got a problem that big a problem with trump owning the libs is what i do want to do on the daily i own the libs on the daily you know i'm saying capital c communis

yes i'm sorry walk if mym not saying that you know i'm saying that's what it's about

you actually sound like a brat bid conservative reday

what is

well those are the peace out like that's the people i'm with the people that's the people i am a conservative redneck i'm a conservative redneck too and you know i'm saying i'm with them i' i'm about that and know i'm saying that's what communism is about we're all about that type of shit you know i'm saying you think we're not with you lives we're not with you lives you mother fuck in new zealand as mother fuck we're not with you lives you know i'm saying i what that real capital cee communism type of shit you know i'm saying

from the very hear

and i conservative

it you're a cock

communism is anti and said no it's not you said that

who said that

absolutely so it's ok the year is nine hundred fifty one you live in the soviet union

are they conservative

oh they sure a call communist they're not communist well i'm that type of communies

i'm divit union heedge

ukly is a communist what

soviet union is not communist

i don't care what you think communism means

when we call ourselves communists we're actually referring to reality not the

snow plak bullshit was taught you

you know

um if like what do you even main you say compmunism do you mean like a merderius dictatorship yeah yeah likey

like the real ie like the actual real word

you know like not the face onhe you invented in your head the do

and you want a murderer stick shk started to un some kind and like another

people they call them fascionists

what

sorry the angle signal is not working what do you say angle

you don't

adult work is

and you love murderous dictatorship you're starting to sound like a a fascist

yah but you sounded like an anglo from the beginning so if you want to talk about how i sound all sound like an anything

you are an uncle

oka that's a very

and up

to bek

beuse's viw

thk

why why are you such an angloy

like why are you such an anglo

um i don't no i i i just

gui you anglos all sound the same

the murderous dictated do you fucking come from the british empire the most murderous fucking enterprise in the history of mankind

talk about murder is this or that i'll get angler st bitch

is i rod the pretty cheap tire

you're part of the it's offspring youre it's offspring you're the offspring of the british empire

o i' not i don't for you when youre stealing

go back home to europe the fuck you doing in new zealand

that land don't belong to you

up

the buck out of new zealand you fucking weird all

stay

oy

kidn

you can stay but you're still a bitch

and by the way

by the way

the libs getting owned on a daily basis in america what are you going do about a new zealand

this shes like

le listen

you think i go to bed shaking about you lips

where i live withoo all the conservatives around by the working b spar are it they still don't even wear masks they don't book bok

yeah because

ikay those people aren't the working class those people yeah they are

yeah they are

they do work with their hands to the working of the whatk ok ok ok compare their hands with your hands they have rough hands they have leathery hands

they do they do work with their hands so yeah they're the working class

you have pink hands

class the working class is pretty low

you knowll you wor just you're you know its n you're you know i w you talk about the p m c the professional managerial salary really arguing that the working classs stupid yeat thatf your most people when most people say working class american they mean what americans who work with their hands that's what theyor play on charit yeah but i'm not a ptlantropist so i'm not i don't give a charity i'm not a philanthropist

i im

what if you sa iink exp discussed i care about the problems g and you care about like

know you care about you care about a lar being coping theory you invent i think like them n know you care about a larp in your head according to which anyone who doesn't

strictly own the enterprise as a worker well guess what ce os are

proletarians to according to your warpi don't fuck and feel good copium definition

when american people say the working class to talm aout people who work with their hands my friend they're not talking about

let's hear it

would you doell t reading

we're talking about

vrolunteer

yeah rednecks are the working class are you stupid you know the word redneck came from rednecks literly came from like coal miners and appalachio n red

so what you talking about you eleat a low bitch

that

because words and meanings change over time

ok but america still in america the working class still means those rednecks you're talking about

the only people who have a different meaning of the like the d sas working class

are a very insulated minority of people lying

besides would i thk socialist

movement around

conservative so anti beauss you're the majority so

because they're the majority

out

out they literally lost

the election

ser my doc

pting

you're still a majority

you're the majority

are'ty though they literally

less the

it developed

i'm sorry

take

burden of plice

fols

you do realize democrats have lower incomes support us the most

no that's not true anymore it's not true anymore the m

do you know where the democrats got their boost of numbers from

in the recent like you didn't do your homework did you boy

they got i know white suburbs the rich whites

they're democrats now

i never asserted where they got it from like se they have more supporters yeah they got it from the rich white soer

republicans which is trice no you change now the democrat the democrats have been losing the workers

for decades now they finally lost all the workers now that's why they appealed to wok buss because they're trying to win only minorities even minorities are going to the other side now

even black people went and voted for trump unprecedented numbers

not wll they

the're still in that

it of my heart

you must be dright

no it unpressed and it moved over to the other side

one precident what is written

unprecedented in number

you're literally a trump

supporting like

deranged far right for at this point you call me whatever you want

go boy call me whatever you want

you live in a fucking island

so far removed from where you belong

at least i don't f can call myself a kie we

at least i don't fucking sound like a cock at least i'm not an anglo youn call me whatever you want to gi a b commune know the capital c on in the lives every day twenty four seven seven days week

i ire you like

trigg it

sometimes you're kind of like spasiming out right now it's kind of

ok b b c you talking about the b b c

and how could you engage in such a

matteris

my name and in you know ss like my cock

what it

whatever you say

a b b c

cameras rolling

the b b c are you

the really owed to me with that

i what what you

going off to the exinc as you have

no point

it saaf es and you're literally a robo angle you're literally an angle robo

what's i don't know what you thd that i mean it's fun like i like you program you're literally like the caurricature of an anglle

i feel like it do you guys love you w not you guys like really like that ues thank you chris morelo

w he asked me why do you sound like a british aristocrat from the seventeenth century

i was like qeno

we don't care about huana doude i don't care

don't care

you went on as probably ok

you r not is probably more true

then emassu

right

ya i think so

i'll say that probably more true than m s sm

a

ok i'm not surprised you s

the arm

it's kind of we at that most you count argument against me literally scrapeing that i'm en anglo

kind of sounds like you that's what it all comes down to you're just an anglo saying anglo shit

no wle you're just an anglo talking anglo shit

an angl not an anglo shit

but if itt

i don't think youre uh do you pak of yourself up with this because you're not much with what

i don't care actually hate all leftists and left ways i don't care what leftists think but inevitably speaking realistically speaking

yeah i'm a leftist because that's that's

where people will locate me and that's like

the inevitable outcome of my position but

i don't actually wait

i don't have a leftist ego where i like try to be a leftist and go out of my way to try to actually be i don't care i actually hate all leftists you know

why do you beha

but they're alls cok like you they're coks like you that's why

sure how

is the because they're literally literally how you they sound like you there they hold water for the establishment and they're literally don't know how to think of themselves

and they're all retarded in their head mentally retarded they don't live in reality they live in mental retardation la la land

ok and they're the ones who give me ep platform consistently they' got n band leftists are the ones who got me band on twitch

twice

yup

i tet to love pley

that's the fory because the anecdote

but that is not like an awesome strong argument the thing is it's funny you'd say you dislike liftists because they're all like me

wheen you haven't made a single argument to gets any finit sy

so like what's ok w w i i' literally debunked everything you've said

i me

i i forn't see but

i actually have you're just coping and saying i haven'

out every argument you made from lesser evilism

to the whole talcking thing about democracy was debunked you actually think america' is a democracy

in

on the copium it because i mean this is ridiculous i was america's democracy

you have a dot

debucked a single one of my points and you know that ca point ovious which point do you imagine i haven to bon lays do nated fifteen dollars to a big mak you plays a little twenty thingars lass and which point have i have have i

have i not addressed

i'm none of you have an interesting in name one the name wants call me an ag name one n name name one point you raise i have 't addressed

i s at stp

if f single which wast you name voting

this evil voting to i like evil vote you want to you want to do this again and have me

book your schoards

ok let's start with let's evile voting

thank

what part of

you are not decisive

and if you were decisive you should use that leverage to get bernie elected you understand

but none of it really makes any sense because of course the difference is

that a few votes can make the difference between a win and a loss

but to actually pressure a party you need a lot more than that behind you

this

these millions the millions of people who don't vote

the deantg and stuff is not going to change their ways because you have a few thousand followers

this so why do you need to vote for bid in that

because he's a lesser evil as we went over ok

so ask you a question

why are you enabling the d n c which you consider bad because that's true doing is they're never going to learn until you hit them back

that in the face they don't ke why would they care about your but this millions of other ots they could go after they don't care about a fe you but you know bustle because you can move to them out that you can prove to them hey

us we withheld their vote we could have gotten you elected

but we withheld

because of what you did

y won't

they just won't care that's the problem because they want to here ab the p then then then you should question why you even

associate with the democratic party whatchever you should use all your efforts to get for a third party

we already had this point we a gree that the democrat partys bad which is why we call less evil

how really how really are they a lesser evil that they don't even care about getting elected on trump

we talked about ritoric we talked about social yehs a rhetoric my you but you lost on the point of rhetoric because rhetoric means nothing

rhetoric is a critically and the example you this is how we got where we were the example you gave of how rhetoric means something is how you were pissing your pants

over the nothing burger that was the january sixth capital storming

and that's not an example of how

right like why should i why should anyone care about

that why should anyone care about the january sixth lent democracy in which you know we know that's what c n n said but

we ok why should we com why should we communists care why should we care if we're if you're a socialist

committed like even ok even if you're committed to getting medicare for all in america

why should you care about january sixth

in your own word if don't just repeat the m sm because i don't respect the m sm so this were in your own words why should anyone care

like effectivelyy for example you're saying it was an attack on democracy i objective how ojectively was storming the capitol really going to was was that really a moment in which they had a chance to seize power storming the capitoal

or was it just symbolic

well it was

symbolism is still madestate

kill people

ok st because of symbolism is the altar on

symbolism is an altar of wiing democracy with fit to p of this of long ime implications if you f democracy with violence

how were they threatening democracy with violence

by

breaking into a building because i didn't like democratic results and then like

people died and they were the left i then the left by your own logic was also threatening democracy in twenty sixteen because they broke into buildings and did all that kind of shit

and i disagree with that

i absolutely use you think they're fascist

right

so so let's write them down so all those letters

what fascism

mae multiple components

it's not just it's not just being anti democratic it's a whole bunch of let me let me ok oh i got you

okay

then by r logic obama's rhetoric or whoever's rhetoric

led to the left

being dangerous fascist when trump got elected

so how is rhetoric decisive whatsoever when

when you have the list in charge with even when you didn't have trump in charge and you had

ah when joe biden was the vice president you had a guy in charge whose rhetoric according to you

inguens people

to do the same thing that you're considering bad behavior which is the january sixth

right it makes no sense oka the first thing is that obama did not incite any violence unlike trump

and the other thing is inciting violence against democracy does not make you a fascist it's a lot more complicated than that ok so we can agree that it's a nothing burger

um no i never agreed with that good luck i trying to so you can't so this is how you dodge the argument so i proved you know i've not been touching anything i've

the oh that's's good

you listen wash oue pussy

stop balking interrupting me because you're not seeing anything of value stop balking in blt shut up shut up it's reap shut up interupt shut up shut up first i said

january sixth

main meant nothing because the same thing happened twenty sixteen is ah there's other things to what are the other things that are so decisive

i did bup to january sixth point which is the only example you could give me about why rhetoric so important

and the

you shi you trivot it you pivoted away so was not the only thing then one ofre the other things

what do you think about the treatment

of minority

yes

like sacial i know no difference there's no meaningqul difference between trump orviding in that regard

there is no difference

do you think tump and badin are exactly the same african americans

if not biting is worse spite is worse probamly

you do you think a man who support black lifs met is what that's than a man who has drummed up racial tensions over black lives mad and who is literally yes

possibly yes

that's ridiculous that obviously stupid

why you're literally just like

it trump supporter at this point you know ok so in the cities in which black people

in the cities in which p police brutality is occurring and it's getting national attention

who runs those cities and

who are their maors the right thk you

becusting

tfferent seies

they tend to bea more

crime and

what

just all sorts of more stuff in the city this way you the says police brutalities because of crime now you're the right wing

i never see what a racist har to say

correlation it is not necessarily going to be

causation but the other thing is a lot of the stuff was implemented

not

by on

who said the stuff was implemented by democrats some of it was

but the good thing is that the democrats now support black lives metter so many of them are actually moving against that stuff

republicans a dodugling out and all of it happened on obama years that's when the militarization of police happened was the obama years

they because they pull out of iraq and the obamayears they gave it all to the police all the military shitl to the poli ill happen under obama

what you talking about man

a good thing i don't like obama but he's still a less evil on that the try how you haven't given me a you haven't give me a single demonstrable example

about why

trump is worse

deemocrats implemented some of the stuff but most you mentioned minority as you mentioned minorities but it not only a make no difference

but all the bulls you know what happens under the democrats in the democrat run cities

the trump made no difference n

u dies it make a difference ud

auplican

officials are cracking down on the right to protest

black lives met ap protists they cracking down on them

democrats and not doing this a but that way obamaen the democrats cracked down on the right to protest whatre you talking about you know about ferguson in two thousand and fourteen democrats ran that fucking city the crackdown was oversaw by the democrats not the republicans

okay just a second

yet the democrats have done bad stuff

but're talking about what's going on now

the fougt

aady of it as republicans the va

vast majority of the stuff

what stuff

i

you know that

tao

this is why i don't really what stuff and enlight me what stuff

do you think

it's more like

its what's that

um

its democrat or or listen all you're talking about is a

appearances optics and rhetoric you're not talking about what's actually going on in reality

i get that nancy pelosi is more likely to have a b l m sticker on her car that doesn't mean that in reality she's going to translate into a more favorable person

for black he was not reality works

this isj a superficial n b c retard i haven't you actually like think that all this rhetoric in like

virtue signaling is reality not reality dude

it's not reallys

it's you're on line too much

let me talke for listen n no i'm going to finish my point let me finish my point

k you i know your issue is that this is always back to the original thing

you think you care about people but the thing you care about is us it's all ego it's all optics it's all rhetoric it's all fake tribal allegiance or do you support blackd it's like it's all based on this fucking the

this ego centric view of politics has ything to do with reality tribalsm when you literally say i should care about people in other countries

that's the oppset of

i don't think i'm not i didn't say you shouldn't care about other peoples and other countries i say w can i said it's literally not possible

he sayd it's tly not possible

why do you interrupt okay let's talk about this

what are you any from

on

play why do you interrupt to me why

why do you i don't just i just don't get why you do it they don't you know i can just mut you

but what would it wherees it so you're basically like an anglo colonize you think you have the whip you're going to silence the arab man

is that what's going on you want to

but no that is completely untrue i interrupt you because one you told thank you jennifer so much appreciated thank you jennifer so much appreciated so much this is why so why do you interrupt me you don't let me say my points or my peace you don't want me to actually respond to heor let me say my points so you interrupt me so you think you're going to silence me

im

i don't dot i don't prevent you from saying your points i only interrupt you when i already got your point

i never interrupt you when you're trying to say your point i only interrupt you when i already got your point when i try to make my point you interrupt me tell me why you do it why do you interrupt me

ok i interrupt you because one you talk for ever to you say lots of um stuff and forree you interrupt me you haven't proven

a single thing i've said is dumb to anyone

you have a pipe for

only if you no one thing no one agrees with you who how would you proven what i'm said is dumb you hadn't proven it

i've proven what you said is dumb you don't have a single example to stand upon to back up any of your arguments every we've gone everything one jenys in the capital rights to police brutality everything you want to talk about i've debunked all of it

you haven't even proven your position how are you calling my arguments dumb

the cope overload

no ok once in the chat if he's coping too in the chat if i'm coping

asking your own followers to prop up your dying ego

i want to know like if i'm crazy you know

it sound like you're coping

five

sounds like you're uoting a lot you haven't sustained a single one of your points

sup

i mean if youb you fix that what you just said is true is beyond like

a lot of

that rely on bic iment that prob we need to see like deeper help

but what if they won't what if we keep rising at your expense and we keep growing and growing what are you going to do about it

i'm going to come on here and debate you because i love to's the f

goinga get your ass please

i bit of feiw side sh

but that doesn't seem to be what happened today ok ok ok you want to talk about lesser evilism and consequentialism and shit

this is actually go bob

do you thek by coming on here and debating me

you're making me look worse for bad objectively not according to you subjecti would object like according to the audience of the audience think i wouldook better or worse right

the your audience so they get there like you're like this weird cult of personality

so most of them would say literally ity think satisfied way but so according to your own reasoning

you are propping up my stream

and you are boosting all round

yeah you are dude because apparently i have a

do

you are literally helping me so much right now

do you not realize that

you make me look good e

whatever you say

no am i wrong you make me look good in front of their eyes do it's true with something different i guesss in front of the eyes of my audience you're making me look good not bad

so how is debating you're going to stop in your audience who thinks that it's dill right

and we a lot of people think that in our new viewers think that too

shore

i mean i don't rely do say i'm timing to objective they do you you make me look good

i have hoped that some of the people in the audience a decent and not just like wed cold

personality people who are tojus assist with you

and hopefully i can pull some of them to

better positions if not this was just fun

which is

but ok let me ask you a question

since you love the lesser evil right

comparatively i think you're drop do you think compared to the people

you're you

you're rescuing from my plt

is there more of them who are leaving

compared to who are coming because of this debate

i don't think anyone's going to join your cult because of this debate

your platform really really really

good

we get new followers every debate

you think you're gonna be the exception

m yeah i could be actually i me i've not seen really been s

it depends

your chat i'm going to i'm going to actually upload this video separately and it's a real chamber and just look at that chat

dude

you room how i lost this

i bek you can stay that to like

feel

but in what if you lost it

pay

feel free have fun with your coping mechanisms it's ok

oh you don't think you lost

yeah i don't think upon which point did you prevail

which pi would you like

which point did you prevail upon

and we've been over them all

they say evil voting good

democracy well i dot i tried to go over the lesser evil arding with you again you couldn't even sustain or prove

or defend your position

you okay you point it a you times democrats did bad things

and tried to compare them with republicans to always woulddn't give me a single time republic you all you said was they don't support black lives matter the slogan that's all you said

and they've literally implemented laws

to crack down on protests and make that

drive this control were not black people that was were not laws targeted against black people those were laws targeted against tle and the anti trump protests i

do you think

that i take this a law and also let me also tell you another thing one more thing democratic

democrats are also trying to pass laws to crack down on republican protesters

is of capital at the january sixth riots

ok i would love to see an example of this and if they did i disagree with that too but ok seem to do this is just re you don't know about the bi they're trying to pass

ok they domestic terrorism the domestic terrorism bills that the democrats you don't a familiar with them

i'd love to sae these i know the democrats have done lots of bad stuff my point is merely that i dislike the republican same or and i dislike

why why do you just like a publics more

because the social conservatives who push were a spolicy you keep us with you keep giving me me i'm looking for meat and potatoes why

why you keep naming me like internet means like

abstractions

give me something real

alred you talk about protests held up

climate change that would be like a retcure let's talk about climate change

yeh

the republicans sent in to deny that it's real the democrats at least

at least they co you're talking about their etiology is not what they're actually doing

i you join climate deals and have climate change plans sure they're inadequate buty better than nothing

no they're not better than nothing believe it or not they're really not

it's out the diu

they know they're not even better than nothing

you listen you have to understand n of climate change

climate change isn't something where it's like

there this little thing is going to help a little bit

climate change is an accelerated

process

which is unless you have a comprehensive way

to adjust and prepare the popu and respond to it it is literally not better than nothing

it literally isn't better than notugh

it literally isn't

climate change is not like

you can you can make it like the climate is going to qualitatively change

you can just make that a little bit better

little bit worse no it's a qualitative chance black and white

e no that's

leply true climate change hapens differentgrees it's not just like i see other day apocalypse this very ariousleps and it you wants to be had here

smoke yeah but it's a feedback the heating of the as a feedback loop you can't even it's literally not even better than nothing

because that feel exact impact

i cak two points firstly the feedback look not back at of the leasts and the amount of the guesses going into that feedback loop which is what they want to do n know it was secondive led back loop would not be going on its still going on

and how is biden going to reduce emissions how is biden going to reduce emissions there's no meaningful plan to reduce emissions how is you going to do it

start as the paris climate courd is better th nothing he's got ot mos not better than nothing it's not

it's not better than nothing no it's not

even though these deals aren't perfect they pretty bad actually some public support of the idea that climate change is really lok now we've gotten again to our pattern you keep talking about symbolic hdory things in the clouds like a fucking got the things that a folking guy in new zealand cares about you know not reality but dumb shit

that's all in the fucking clouds

reality is literally molded by what in fluential fik is do not d and not true

not toport

not free to plead

this is a true that that's what you but you believe you believe that

because you're a guy in new zealand

and your only access to reality is through the fucking internet

but what if i told you

that the people you th the people you think mold reality are themselves moulded by reality biding doesn't hold reality he's molded by reality is a mold reality people acts that mot by reality and in turn mod the reos the're not more like they're not molded by internet does not mold reality you're fucking idiot

you tooe online is your problem the internet does not god reality

ok what are you trying to say

do you think it doesn't mot reality to in need degree

m

elaborate what do you mean specifically he's talking about wishy washy kind of like airy fairy like to some degree that's all you can say to dude

that's awesome a new zealanan in twenty nineteen

i gout shot to fifty one

people because my d s he got online

okay that's not on reality i don't know what its

no it's not it's not an on line molding reality

it's not the same thing it's not on my that's not on my ilding reality

the reality of the reality of his racism and his fucking views

was not because of

something molded on the internet it's because of a fucking actual reality in reality now w the internet reflect that the internet reflect that yes

but it's not because of the

do he o

right that people do with the ideas did influenc by a every dont edn talking about all you think you thins you all think you can to go you think that the the realities of white supremacy are just arbitrarily molded online

what

i never see that nice straw man

these ideas are promoted on line

okay

what

yeah

ok how does the promote a promotion the promotion doesn't have

you ever heard of the say you ever heard of the saying

a letter always reaches its destination their promotion doesn't have causal significance as though

oh if not for the person promoting that no one would ever get that in their head they would get it in their head one way or another

ok

so no the online does not mold reality

what do you know that's completely untrue if i had not gone onto the internet i probably wouldn't be exactly the same politically as i am now

you literally see you w with substantially speaking say stanly se you can say you did my point because you see my politics whatre i can see what do i can see

any

ok you see my politics was moted by being online which it lead me to think in what you think is simply by say you would know i said i said your arguments always go back to resorting i said your arguments resort back to talking about arey fvery symbolgy

substantively speaking your political position in anglo buthurt lib would be the same without the internet

or with the internet

be de se

well i mean you've just changed you they been good no i didn't

you you you obviously wouldn't be arguing on the internet with me to defend your anglo but her lip position

ah but you'd still have be in that that'd still substantively be what your position amounts to

what you seid earlier when you see that my ifews were informed at being super run line

ya so you just

the things you're saying that the things you're saying reflect someone who's terminally online

yes so i was divided in line acquording to you

so you're

thank

consist you you being in my v c saying this shit you're saying is moulded by the fact that

you treat the internet as a privileged site of reality but substantively speaking in terms of actual reality because what you're talking about isn't actual reality substantively speaing terms of actual reality is an anglo but hert live

i be

that's a fairly awesom end se but

job

how many minutes that take you to come up with that

okay we it's true

it awesome

ok buty the point is that like i w i mean i don't even know what to say because you have to literally no point

so you lost

sure

so you admitted you lost

people who win debates by the way don't constantly say that they want

partway for the debate that's not real i mean i know i wan but i just want to like

make sure you know that

it's more about you knowing that i already know i want i just like trying to live

i'm trying to like check in a check up on you and do i dod you realize you lost right

i want you

i that's really co

i also want you to know you lost you know

n

um okay sure what if you said

no it's because you have to tell yourself you won

no i don't have to tell myself i know i want

it's obvious and we get it how is it obvious

because you clearly didn't win and you're just telling yourself that how how do you measure the clarity of that

how do you measure the clarity of the fact that i didn't win

be'cause everyone thinks

your audience thinks you won because most of them are even more insane than you are so a get i get it we're on sany

but how do you measure the clarity of how you want

how is that clear it's not clear to

like

how was it how you

you gave like the worst off inss if your point to literally were claiming that like list evil voting isn't valid because the democrats occasionally like

do

bad stuff like republ i said s you substantively speaking

there is not only no difference bewen the democrats and the republicans but sometimes democrats are even worse

and i defended that it thorughly i didn't just say sometimes democrats are bad i said stupantively speaking

there is no difference

and you couldn't even bring a single point

to back to refute that

oh i absolutely

ca you couldn't it the point at your point only ever amounted to the idea

that someybolically the democrats are better literally the curricuature

of what we say about you libs that symbolically there better that's it's ally the name of the drones with the l g b t flag on it

oka

thanks for bringing that up how aboutl g b t

come

policy how about that the democrats are

oect to play better on that

ah poke

publicans do'te they support trans rights to republicans don'te

really simple ok how

how concretely does that

translate into reality not optics but concrete

how concretely

does that affect anything

well it gives these people respect and society and it gives them equal rights how

and close to two equal rights iust me give me give me a like

meat and potatoes actual reality like

how for example

is life better for gay people

under bid in the strong

well i mean it

just second

you're looking how is it beaita

yeah as he

denise

which are better for these people

and because i read them to learn for example

i came not banning trans people from the militaryaus exactly that's what you fucking say you literally repeat the mem

exactly i knew you're going to bring the same shasander hall said you why should i care about why do i care about trans people's ability to kill my people from my homeland

why should i care about their ability to do that

military is not all about killing people from your homeland we can have a military you know what military means that's the ultimately the institution of the military serves the purpose of kill

yes alo it doesn't have be and it shouldn't be you ca transcp but ok i want you to look up google google military what is a military

why is it called in military then

armed force consistent of an ok why do they have to be armed if they're not going to kill nobody whyre they going to be armed

have you ever heard of like self defense

are you literally retarded

you're talking about the same fucking military that destroyed iraq

in afghanistan talk a what the same fucking military that's still in afghanistan that is graces in every talking country in the world the same bucking military that's bombing the shit out of my people to this fucking day the same bucking military that's arming israel the same fs you're making it seem likell the military doesn't have to do these things you you know what the s military is you fucking dumb shit

that's what the u s military does it kills people i don't care if you think hypothetically militaries don't have to kill people the military that you're celebrating trans people being allowed in kills people why do i people

been screaming like chid plays i disagree with all the stuff you just said i don't want them killing it this people they are but they are that's what they're doing that's what they're doing i i knowre of trans people can do that

because i still want these

to be treated equal who has the opportunity to bell my people it's your

oh m god the opportunity to kill my people

let i let me finish that

yes

that is evil but military is not inherently like that i want to what that what it is that is what it is that is what it is

objectively that's what it is how

yes

yes

so in so you're saying in the future it'll be worth it because in the future there's a slight chance that the military is not going to be killing people

a slight chance hopefully a bigger chance oh there's a big chancecording to based on what precedent and what whatevid

to act like do you think most people in the military are

killing civilians of course not killing civilians is com but the're contributing there part of the military machine which kills civilians yes

they're aultermately a fart of it

just that and that's bad so if someone's i in the holocaust if someone's not killing the jewish prisoners but they're just a

they're serre there i don't know they're serving in the cafeteria they're doing that kind of shit

you don't in they're serving as guards but they're not killing anyone is a like that's what you're talking about of course not everyone's engaging directly in the killing but you're participating all

thank you chris morelock thank you chris more appreciate

youre your only example of how

biden is better than trump is that biden allows trans people in the military that's your example of why biden is better than trump

yup

my onlyague

example i heaps of up

and his defence

you could have a militarylse and

do evil thing has rights for pople you can what youre can i s that is that the military we have now

is it the military we have now or the military we have now is the one that kills people so your example is that trans now trans people can pull the trigger now trans people can participate in the military industrial complex now trans people can participate in bombing the ship now trans people can do all it now im to care about that and celebrate that why should i

why should you walk

why should i care if trans people can be in the military

objectively not based on abstract principles in fairy a la la land

but as far as the actual reality we live in right now

why should i care of trans people can be in the military

as far as the reality we live in right now because i think we should have equal rights to our institutions and i also think simultaneously we should reform those institutions so they do good

moral and just things i think both of these i don't care what you want

i'm talking about what is now objectively what is going on right now so you're saying you're saying i should i should want trans people

to be in the military and i should both probiding so trackle can be in the military that's the decisive reason

because of an abstract principle according to which i trand people should be equally allowed in the institutions that's what you're saying

at

one of many reasonce we' talks about some of the others we talk yeah i dunked all the others so now we're on your last your last card here is that trans we were in the military the worst one you could have pulled out

in ti more

there's not there's no more there's no more

you i di there a

absolute

ok so you lost on this one what's the other one

that you see like health care

ou the democrats

health care outcomes in the republicans how have they

but couldn't sape the lis

and a small degree don't tell me what they believe tell what they do you bucking ditch tell the fuking did stop talking pe what you believe and what they got the what they say tell it's whatenty actually fucking happening

he thaty impllements to parket yes i know it was a republican policy but the republicans oppose it

and the democrats support what it

this is just subjective like a list evil than the other option

oh how is how aer more power less people dying because a biding in power now then thean trump tell me how

the not constantly trying to to get it undermine people's some health care

just like a big difference so it it's so meat and potatoes how how

how how does that translate into actual reality

people's healthier outcomes

that's so you're saying you're saying because bydon's elected now

people are having more access to health care than they did under trump a lie

what was that

to just you just lied

no one has more access to health care now because bdens and power

to fright in the sand mke bestly doesn't know

what do you mean threaaten you're talking about nothing i'm talking about reality you're talking about threaten you're talking about suggest you're talking about undermine optically what are you talking about in reality thank you boris

chlors for the five when you talk about in reality

what do you make

you haven't given to a single example you said health care i said there's no difference

here we go again

we're talking

you're going to say there's no difference in the health care policies

these

the far is go it is goe so far

okay

do you think you would rather have obamacare or no obamacare

wanmpting to get rid of obamacare

yeah but he wanted to and it was under f what frump wanted to do trump wanted to go be more radical trump wanted trump care

the republicans didn't want him to

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trump did not want to get rid of obamacare and give people nothing

trump wanted to go farther than obama did believe it or not

that

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trump wanted people to have universal health care

yes he fuking did

he did not undermine obamacare

he said not

knowo he did or wanted

no he didn't

wanted to he wanted to go even farther

and even if he wanted to he didn't so it didn't make a fucking difference supporter it's really weird

ok but i'm arguing and you lost the argument here

oh i didn't you just called me a trump supporter you had to resort to that beuse you couldn't defend your point

i can defad my points just fine tell yourself what youan but you didn't you just call me a trump supporter instead of doing that

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what you exp to

ok because you lost you arm you can't defend your points

m i can defend them just fine as we saw

how dod we see that you just called me a trump supporter because you couldn't defend the point that trump did not dismantle obamacare and as a matter of fact

even though wants and wishes don't mean shit in reality

trump wanted to even go farther than obama did on health care so the republicans got mad at him because of it

but even then there were there's no proof that trump is a

a a bigger evil than biden there's none

sh well ok so trump

did try

to arm

damage healthcare outcomes in a way democrats do not

how did he t how did he do that

sure

by attacking obamacare and stuff

on what grounds do you attack a woma here

he want to us strip and completely get rid of obamacare so we could go back

the people being uninsured is that what trump wanted to do

ok so look do you want too you want to know who else attacked obamacare

you want a great way you want to know who else attacked obamacare

concerning obamacare do you know who else attacked obamacare

t

do you know who else attacked it

and wanted to actually get rid of it

s awesome copiate bernie sanders

you fause he you said w f so just because trump was attacking obamacare

doesn't mean the result of trump being successful in dismantling obamacare would have led to more people being uninsured because trump had an alternative

k was not offering an alternative though which would have helped more offering you knowss how do you know

a are you hoble

completely different

how does he just fall you know that he wasn't going to have more ars did

i mean he could have had one in secret that he never told us about but he didn't seem to have one of these yes he did he he he constantly expressed i wants universal healthre he said that in the debates of the buckan re in is the and even but even then you haven't proven who's a worse evill you you haven't proven who's a worse youor better evil you just talked about wishes and wants and every very dust magic bullshit

ens of times ok

the obama administration vigorously promoted the affordable care act

in part to attract healthy younger people to the exchanges

keep premiums down

the trump administration sharply reduced support for advertising and exchange navigations

navigate to sorry reducing the

iiit period to about half the number of days

so so according to you trump advertise made it less advertised and

some stupid at about the enrollment period that's completely aingless and the sight was a little harder to navigate apparently according to you

and that's how trump makes healthier worse for americans

according to the arm

this is your big point and you have to look it up to you have to also look it up i didn't look shitt i wanted that's your point dude you think that's a solid point

you stand by that as a solid point

it's a lot more solid than anything you have it yes it's not a solid point it's the most stupid just because the website was harder to navigate that means trumpll undermine people's health care and bless people had health care under trump

because trump was elected

no that's not not gonna ct it

you's not going to caut it he wanted o

he wanted to ustscourage illegal aliens from ol like amid decade

i've got these exaanes gs i want urge illegal aliens come in ruling and you what trump

trump wanted to incour

discourage illegal aliens from

medicaid

i'm yeah he did

so you just told me another wish and want

give me objective reality receipts

how is trump a bigger evil

in objective reality not wishes and wants but objective reality

donant me to like a library onany if ths i can like pull up the articles for you i'm looking at one right noww is the specifics

tell me you can'

you have to look it up on google because you nn't even

but ok you have to look it up on how do we even know if you have if you have to look it up why did you take the solid oposition that someump is a bigger evil when you had to look it up to confirm it it's o

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things surces it take

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but you spoke without knowing you spoke without knowing truh yes it is

but if you knew you could call me you didn't know you have to look it up

often

no i see you have to way you have to shoot your arrow and then choose the target you shoot first then decide what the target is after it first you adopt that first to adopted a certain position that trump is a bigger evil now you're looking up sources to back up the position you chose to begin with that then why do you have to quote article to look p why can't you just tell me

going through soorces to refighted

points that i know are true

you give me one point you know is true

this all the ones i just gave you a but that you didn't give me a single one i de bunk them all which you said about medicare was wrong when he made the website harder to navigate that's a non nothing burger that's nothing

that's nothing

it's a nothing burger it is nothing but the site was a little harder to navigate it's a nothing burger

what

it's nothing it means nothing it makes no difference it's no meaningful difference

it's definitely not worth sacrificing her ability to gain credibility and legitimacy in the in the eyes of anti establishment minded americans by shilling for biden publicly it's definitely not worth that d

okay

have you s all of thisccording to you all of this was to make the website more navigaatele make the website easier to scroll through that's that's what sacrificing of third partyes were up to

i came you want to know another thing i have heaped of examples

have you sading bidens american families plan

something republic n no no no no no you're not going to tell me about his plan you're going to tell about what he actually does and what he did so far i don't care about his plan or his vision you're going to tell me about what he can do what we're not talking about wishes and wants we're talking about what he fucking does you'll tell me what brdon wants to do you tell me what he does

policy this is the policy that i'm talking a ok so has be has he passed up

has he passed it

it's pass the family plan

you passed it

yeah i believe no he fucking didn't

he did it

he did it

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i' saying what you mean what you mean it doesn't matter if he does or not

you're saying something bigger evil but in reality it doesn't make a difference

when we're talking about policies

we're not just t you're tsking about making yourself and feel good i talk about making yourself real good because a optics what a fuck we're talking about

we're not just talking about policy

sees that won't be you

there are they are implemented we're talking about ones that will be implemented this is what yes will yes will these be implemented how do you know they're going to be implemented

i

you keep interrupting me which is rely

finding you whine about me interrupting you when you interrupt me finish one of my points plays

ok

when we talk about policies we're not just talking about ones that are implemented we're talking about ones that are going to be implemented the famili'es plan is one of these policies

this was the case with b o so you know it's going to pass

well i would rather them try to pass they have no chance of that fucking plan passing there's zero chance there's no chance of it passing

there's zero chance of it passing

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zero

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this pos there's no way nothing thats what it's not going to pass

how to could you

make that decertion you can't say terents about bernie's sta at midight

whe could say the safer about bernie sai

here's here's why you wouldn't have to say the same thing

because bernie's whole shit

rest

upon winning over republican electorate

and therefore undermining the power of the republicans in congress

and in the senate

i think was focusing on more lg

waen

typ democrats yes and that's why would fucking failed in eight shit that's why i sound like a trump supporter you fuck me moorn because what we're doing is the lesser evil whathich you're doing is the bigger evil you fuck and you need the other half of the country to pass anything in the first place you stupid fuck that's why we told people not go vote for biden that's why bible doesn't make a fucking difference because byden can't do anything

without the other half of the fucking country you fucking idiot

i like how there were no arguments there just like

constant

we can say there were no arguments but everyone can see i balked your skull

i foxed your soul and my cock is bleeding now

no you but terrible arguments you arguments it's a familably plan being like a valid policy were rubbish

but it's not going to be past

it was nothing

your gooference was made

if was elected there wouldn't be a family's plan but it was elected the's not going to be a family's plan

that's going to be real and effected in reality so what difference does it make make point when do you think a family's plan is a a chance of being psed

when the

it gets proposed or when it doesn't get

and take serious it's a zero percent chance either way that it's actually going to pass i mean if you say so you're just wrong on this one like most other onm not salking wrong because the republicans will never fucking agree to it never you are i found a point that you didn't like and now you're mad

that's a ca whatever no i'm mad because you're a fucking moron who lives in new zealand

that and

youg mad because i

new zealand

you're stimply mad what it it's like i think you lost if you lost on the substantive point a fuck lost

because here's why i'm mad

because this whole time i've been telling you that wishes and wants mean nothing but all you've given me is wishes and wants all you've given me is things that aren't real or aren't going to be real that's why i'm mad because when i keep asking for an example every new example you give me is a wish and a want you don't actually give me anything real

it's funny because before your argument was that i had ton't have any solid policy points and now that i do

you have'm gone back to what i'm saying ok not can you please your mind part in the video where i said solid policy points

oh well ok you didn't tex tech all i here about was rhetoric which does matter yeah and n i care about what happens in reality yes

i care about what happens in reality

when did i say solid policy points you fucking dumb fucking rat

i said what happened in reality is what mat isk

you i wasn't exactly quoting you

so you weren't making a point a ah we you sad that the tal powicy butk whre i didn't say that actually fucking yes so what happens in actual reality

that means something very similar

os contentt because one thing means what happens you thing means what pose you fucking idiot

re to find an and you're just failing it

you say you're saying you're giving a met a narrative of the discussion to cope

but as far as the actual development of the arguments have have

are concerned

you just lost

i'm sure if you say sir i'm in light but you move from point to point each point i shoot down and then you say well you lost were given your meta narrative but what happens when we actually argue about a topic you lose

and then you cope you go back to your corner and you say you want

it's funny yous

say i'uncoping when you're the one who's screaming like a child and insisting that you won

i mean it's kind of funny

do you know i don't need to insist i wan at this point

i just want you to know you lost

that's all

sare thing

you can

f your copiab davis i can't believe somebody is so falking dishonest

they could sit here and

not and think they

and not admit

not thatss think i know you think you lost i know you experience this is a loss subjective

what

cashr some

what little dignity you have if any you won't even admit it

you're fucking dishonest as well

oh i'm very honest i have been

to discussion id say that since i

cateill be extremely disingenuous or

actually delusional because it's one of those

to and your whole channel was built on it

we keep offering met a narrative cope

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let me show

met a narrative cap

i disagree but anyway

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how do you feel about it

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how do i feel about what

bake with thought

might debate with wash i beat him

what

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fifteen minutes

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because he ran away i never ran away he did

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because it was krd ofent

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it wasn't really compensation it was wort like i can

incoherent sty

yelling thatch if you get what i mean ok

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wasosh literally couldn't respond to me

on a substantive point

of disagreement i mad

a few says i

anyon i wouldn't watch the dequin

on every substantive point of disagreement

woss had nothing to say

and couldn't respond i literally beat him g on let me tell you what boss tried to say in response he tried to point out some kind of irony he tried to say

oh well you claim you're against i pol identity politics

and yet you're using identity policy

and i immediately shut down a on i dit sy public

and i immediately shot down his point and debunked it

immediately

how did you funk it

you can simply use that

she potics of

put me an anglo like half of this debate

was you yelling

and

because i said very clearly and explicitly that the recognition of white supremacy in anglo supremacy

in no way rests upon

democrat and liberal identity politics

in no way does it rest upon those things

you don't need toay is it you don't need to be you don't need to care about identity politics to recognize white sommcy in anglo supremacy

you're dismissing my point

was of my identity this is by definition fuking not i addressed all your points substantively it's just because you're so fucking annoying you keep mouthing off i'm pointing out your

a literally a quintessential anglo and you are a fucking anglo you have a problem with me because you're an anglo you're bothering me right now because you're a fucking anglo you're a seething but hurt anglo you just look in the mirror and accept what you are as a fucking angloid that's what you are you are an ang attacking you because

your madam

no because you're fucking to this don't you understand that all you anglo sound the same that no one else sounds like you but you you're the only ones who sound like the way you do

andglos with ang one

anglos that's rarely colkatos

yeah i be angl there's i'm trying to say is that there's a pattern here

there's a pattern here

o

there's a pattern

shot

res a pick

everyone seems to see this pattern

i see the pattern

my chat sees the pattern

that's why the meinan took off

you think i had to indoctrinate my chat

into understanding the anglo pattern literally we have people coming here i don't en fucking know them and they understand the anglo pattern they understand what i'm talking just as i said anglo that ah and

yeah yeah anglos are a thing they are those anglos do have this fucking

the whole shit going on you know

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m i'm not complaining that's what

' ok so i'm not saying i'm engaging in reverse racism

against anglers

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sudo intellectual wch you're an engloyd you're an engloyd

i'm here i am here

you are an angloid basically like your ancestors

had no civilization the romans king gave you all civilization you ever knew

oh

you lived in caves and you lived in swamps you lived in swamps and only lived in caves

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sound like

you're right

you know i don't care who i sound like i don't care wh i reminds you of

youy know what's like

for you have a girlfriend

ny time

youn how old are you

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that you mightll how old are you

seventeen

okay

this is an eighteen of discord in fuck and moron

seventeen

yeup

are you folking mine oh

wre you lie it is it

i actually had no idea it was

i normally lay themt

that are you seventeen

are you trowlling or are you llying it's about a ban

like this is my beingres on that i think is on the band one i lineer trolling

o you're going to bad me that somethinges a really scary

now i'll have p leve a few one

you're seventeen

yup

stupid foulk

not damned

that damn man

oh man

its a kid was a falking kid

s a fucking kid

yeah

now guys i'm goning to fuck and go to the gym

dream went on way too long

this dream went on way too long

the stream went on way too long

debate tomorrow

yeah i'll debate someone tomorrow

my guys