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have you guys noticed something new

that's right

the position of the webcam why why is that

well

because this

is missing you see

i got a little package

from amazon prime this morning oh yes

long are the days of tilting over

long are the days

of laughing at me is my mike

ohs thou

git a fork curry

we've got a brand

no

mike stand and i can't even show you what it looks like

i wish i could

it looks see maybe i can show you my phone

thatx

see this

it's fucking solid

it's solid

i know you can see it

it's solid this thing is so heavy to it cannot tilt

it is on tilt the ball it is an until the bull stand

you understand

this is the new mike stand

the new i mean the new web caam stand it is on

till

a bowl

solid as a falking rock

amen to that

amen

to that

i meant to that

next threat your p c i was fiddling around in the you know maybe later

we can play dark sols three ma might work

i don't know i haven't tested it on stream but offstream it was working perfectly

and i did a little you know messing around with my

computers so

maybe i fixed our gaming issue and we can go back to gaming whatever we want

we'll see what we'll save that for later

you know

things like that

those are for the later

but what do we do in the beginning

what do we do in the beginning

well this is a' fucking blues clues i'm not going to hold your buck in hand

saying no blues clues i'm not holding your hand

we know we're doing we're checking the read it because we checked

the ready

we check

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is that read

and by the way

if you fucking haven't already

we are nearly at five hundred members

authority thirty members shorre

join this

fuking read it join this fuking read it

if you haven't already

hate watchers you can make posts on the read it to

anyone can make a post as long as it doesn't violate read it's rules we're not going to enforce

rule separate from redits

so

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go ahead

post whatever the buck you want

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came up next to

branectly risking his life

and people talk shit

about cable

can you fucking believe how disgusting that is that they talk shit about him like that

boken

beaches on red tu

talking all that shit

talking all that shit

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big washing done shit

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boks is a bloodedism isn't real guys it's not real okay

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worre park

marxisms always been about democracy

and

you know

where did this idea that the soviet union was ever a thing

even come from like

haven't you read charmsky b

booking boss

liow bits

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i'm not quite sure

i'm not so quite sure about this

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this real life

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by the way

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and your base

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few moments later but

parenty is based

print is based

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parental us is based

the topic's twenty four minutes but

school

we are taken over i know we ok it's our music net feat

nice

i don't know if this is the right aesthetic i don't think it is honestly

we're not really like

we got to separate it guys don't combine them when you combine it it's really ugly not going to lie

we got the gorilla king kong on the one side and we got the fin went on on the other side let's not combine

keep them separate

you know

because they're totally different aesthetics

this is like to the

colorful and bright and vibrant

you know

too tropical

but

it's cool anyway

for red is a bitch

come back in twenty three minutes

see ho i can just arbitrarily decide when and when you can't talk

you're the bag dude i just tied you out for twenty three minutes

wy twenty three why not like ten or twenty or thirty

or twenty five at least

i just chose twenty three to show you

how much arbitrary control i exercise over you in this chak

twenty three minutes

why why not twenty five

why not twenty

communism

it's a gorilla

what does this mean i've seen this twice

i've seen the shit twice

i've seen the broccoli

twenty three minutes and they get a debate and that do nobody debates

none of these people talking shit ever come in the discord to debate

they never do

califlower

i don't know if i should up ford this or downvoard does in't know what it means

day

no one in the world today

anywhere

in any other country

is more powerful than president hes go well on genius of the year genius of the year ego is tanky

i love how has keeps bragging about bta folling small streamers with his view count

when ninety nine percent of the time he's begging big streamers to enter v c

when have i begged bitch when have i ever foking begged

ego is bitch

and the fulk of i ever beg

go back to fucking lefty pole you little bitch you little pussy

we of i fucking begged any one and by the way we've been here for a fucking month or two and our fucking numbers are fucking unprecedented and unreal these people have been here for years and years

shut the fock up in fact

come back in a week

go back to left you pool

one week bye

beach

fuck you think i need you left you pull bitches in my fucking chat talking shit

and i know he's from leftypool because his name is igo wiz tanky

that's a lefty puting

hundred percent

yeah you

fucking bits go on left you ple complain about it ego is thinky you pussy

go on fucking come back in a week and complain

for one week he's gone

for saying someth that stupid

he's going to go guys he's going to typ and love to b is the worst

horses a su and he's geting mark of them wrong just look at the definition he contradict my diff and ho is like a islab and it just he's a brainmn and i don't like all his blood sports can't we just go back to lefty ball park in the dark and shut up bits

know your place

can't believe in for it has merged already

again dude

it's a little bit too much

i love voted but

come on guys the same we about we ain't about

trees and it'st like remember king kong in new york that's what we're about unistan

i can't control whate

yeah i saw this someone linked this toing last night

so

there's these the

apparently like you know there's like a new like biden theo con thing

and he has one hundred views

ah

and he had like five views when they linked it to me so i was like

no i'm not going to get

type in their check

but if they d m me maybe i will debate them and blow them the fuck out

what a bitch look at this fucking pussy

yeah they want atention to

nop sorry you got to debate my chat first and your people in the fucking discord are getting rolled over all the fucking

every fucking day

ego is is in the discord ok let's listen to this lefty pool bitch

where is he

where is he's not oncomm on show requests

he's not comm on show requests

yeah

they were like

reacting to my

and they were like huh they were like i mean i caught them laughing at the thing where i said

imperialism doesn't just mean big country eating small here like that' so sti imperialism is it's the word imperial this the word imperial imperial means imperialism it's the same thing

buckan idiot dumbass

he's saying is mike broke of course's a pussy

fuk him tom to go back to lefty pole he doesn't need a mi likee there

the fuck is this

the fuck does this even mean

wasn't funny

i saw this before

but i'll avoid it but i saw be wore in' want to read it again

sorry

goo

i found the

to fok these people

fok these fulking miners do

this is why i

by the way this is why i can't get a new p c

because of this donm't do just give me one dude give me one come on man that's too much

give me one dude just give me one

you don't need all this dude you can afford to lose one ok

get on phone little boy

where is he

i don't see anybody

on soviet inflicted casualties in afghanistan wo didylanburn's drama

dylan bitch t

on yesterday's dream

dylan burns was railing the soviets

for the destruction they reaped in afghanistan and compared it

to america's

intervention as a way to equivocate american crimes with the soviets

well this is not only historically illiterate

since it ignores the other interventions america has been responsible for africa south america the middle east and asia which makes the dept toll nowhere comparable

and it's literally nowhere comparable

but

this is how the what a boutsm logicians work

if there's one tiny exception apparent exception

they feel the right to make a direct equivocation and say it's the same thing

like ho i got reverse racism i got a it's inconsistent it's all about this fake formal consistency for them

you know

just completely devoid of basic common sense and looking at context

the fuck are you talking about the days of world ok he's in debate b

aren'ight temporarily deberate detracting from ready

and uh

we're going to talk to eagos tanky

hold on

talking to him right now

what

what

he left

he left

i put i dragged him up and he left

what

keeps leaving

what

he keeps leaving go back to lefty poll stop wasting my time pussy

i'm banning him from our discord for wasting my time just now from the reddit

he's getting banned

banning him

banning him

by bidge

you are banned for wasting my time

by

he's banned

go complain about it on left you plt google fox

yeah we're going back to ready

wasting my time

ah

okay

um

yeah the dillonber o and you sowing good you saing the american imperialism

good thaing thing do

his source

has two failings in the measurement

it includes the timeframe from seventy eight to two thousand and

it just says it by itself it just fucking says it by itself

meaning that the measurement of death has a time period longer

then when the soviets were involved in the war

clap for dylan burns

dylan bird you're a fulking idiot dude your fulking idiot

you are fucking idiot

falking moron

and you argument can you made that despite pulling out in nine hundred seventy nine

the soviets could have still been materially supporting asydum is exasperating the death toll

since they spent an equal time dissolved as they actually pursue in the civil war

most egregious of all is that the numbers include the two thousand and one american intervention

in afghanistan as well

that's like inflating the soldiers killed by the soviets in poland

by adding the nazi death tem

death camps to the soviets total

it's simply stupid

yeah that's really fucking stup

fucking doingburn is such a moron dude

he's such a fucking idiot

for anybody that remembers high school chemistry

the numbers have a small footnote at the bottom that indicates their precision

not accuracy

which they freely admit should be regarded as spurious

precision indicates only the closeness to other west observed western sources

for how many silla civilians died on account of the soviets

but not how close they are to any true value

it is also tipping a scale a bit since the source gathering

is clearly biased

since they haven't consulted any afghani or soviet sources

for how they're reported casually

casualty numbers

this is just one of the many arguments debunking the

wikipedia isn't by it is

narrative

so many pseudo intellectuals who are lyine googling to get their information

usual

whenever their sources are called into question for the validity

whoever sourceed these numbers is either criminally negligent or simply malicious

as they try their best to paint the soviets in the most disingenuinly worst light

possile

give it up for dylan bn

give it over dylan burns

do it up for dylan burns

the real shit talkers in the discord rot sive

what are you talking about

who's be

what

who are you your ego is tanky

final one ben he wast

unban

egoist tank you

i remove the time out happy

two

infrared

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ship for brain

here comes guys mods get ready to delete the comment

this guy's back from last night

it's dylan burns

fake account

or it's a

it's fucking

wh the fuck is it

already to be

that

bandm

w is it

yeah the same guy

by the way guys are follower numbers on twich are

inflated

because

yeah it's boom sheka

because half of our followers come from this guy

half of our followers i think it's sage actually

because sage is the only one who's this obsessive with us

so it's aage

sage is very obsessive

he's very obsessive

he's very obsessive

sages super

dude we have a we have a fucking cock quarantine and you can only post in it every six hours

and every six hours

says even if he has to wake up in the middle of the night he literally sets an alarm

to wake himself up for when the six hours are done

he

he types in the cuck quaranty he uses those fucking

he hangs out and proudly radic we have a new obsessed but stalker we have like a bunch of obsessive

people

he's a weirdo simping for some dumb streamer no one cares about

oh it's that proudly radical guy

yeah

internet sat on if you know where that's from the internet butdstalkers

satut of you know where that's from

i know some of you know w's

yeah dylan burns b t phote

but the fok cat

don't tell me my computers ffing

this

that is not

thank

not

possible nor acceptable

nor conceivable

he's autistic i think sages actually

he i actually think he is

wait what

i'm not logged in

why am i not lugged in

someone logged me out

vos going to vo

marx believed in democracy not let me do a y bes bosh in present

why did you log me out

fork talk about

marx believed in democracy

i have no idea where this idea that socialism can co exist with authoritarianism came from

m

what a disgusting ugly idiot

look at him dude

proletariy uses political supremacy to rest by degree

dude

this isn't even talking about where mark and angles talk about

you know

they get into the more needy gritty about

it's pathetic in cells and the anglo box

mm

ok i got a log in hold on i got to log in once again

t

says i'm successfully long

boom tanky does

do disguise obsessve

you know i'm getting depressed guys because it's like

this is these are the only followers i'm getting

doesn't that suck

like i used to be like wow we're getting followers and shit

and it's just one guy

yeah he can't be banned

oh it's destroy your not destroy your

it's detore your

ah he got us

he tricked us

tw

he's bannable

he's bannable

ok i can't log in to ready

oh now lod then

read it's kind of down i think

i think read it's down

yeah rerd it's down

inscells in the angle box

go back

here ok

white men didn't rape the woman of the lands they colonized they swooned and romance the

what a disgusting fucking thing to say

dude these are actually biden supporters these are like biden neo con

this is the new trend

it's these type of people they literally think this way

his twitter account can be found here the lonely loser he's an insult dude

pre black pill analysis fuckan insu

so mes not a troll

he still thinks washes base

course he does

the insult question

fuk insulls

how about that

if you identify as an insll you are a bitch

doesn't matter if you're not getting pussy or not you don't have to fucking be like that

ok

i

strong as vos fan first week is infrared

befour be our becony go no longer that

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i forking hate the internet i hate sek tak ude i for i just forking hat it i i just hate

i hate what's going on on the folking internet

i just walk in heed

it it

i'm going to be honest i just don't

ok

stalin says don't demonize people just because they used to be reaction

in spite of this immense losses in the inevitable indescribable suffering that resulted from hitler fascism

stalin never engaged inany kind of comparable wholesale racialization of the german

in august nine hundred forty two he asserted

it would be lou i know i know this quote

it would be ludicrous to equate the clique around hitler with the german people or the german government

the lessons of history show that hitler's come and go

et the german people

the german state continues

the strength of the red army rests upon the fact

that it cannot and does not abide by racial hatred against other people

including the german

dude stalin

dude

the anti germans hate germans more than stalin

the german anti germans

are more harsh on fucking germany than stalin was

is not pathetic

friend of mine posed this earlier

i get the original snide condicening tone of the artist but i

in

stop socialism

i want my back soon

it is kind of condescending in a little bit cringe

proudly radical wants our attention

really bad proudly radical wants our to

tension really bad

really bad

evil is tinky you got a chill do

if you want to debate me

you got a fucking go through the fucking community

you can't just debate me just because you feel like

it's not how it works ing

unless you're bigger than

yeah you got to go through the proper channels

hows that was

you want to dive a fat pit

he wants to get on banned from the discord

ok fine and bandonm

server settings

moder

i

can't because stream remote is enabled

what

ok i'll tell the mos to do it

on ban a

m

i just told the mosque to do it

infrared is rising

we are rising

ah

his name is concent t five three one whose name

whose name is that

has does it feel knowing that ninety nine percent of your followers are lurkers from lefty pool

i literally knew no that's not true

the most lefty pole ever gave us was fifty viewers

you're fucking wrong enjoy your middle income trap

but this time with viewers you've peaked

from ratsu

where's rotsu

i'm w going to ban him

is soon abandon

because

i know it's wrong

but it actually pisses me off when people feel like they know what they're talking about

and they always keep telling me i've peiqued

disband and permabandon

burma band rots of

y just prom banm i don't know how to do it mods and you tube prom banim

i'm sick of seeing his bitch his bitch as a

comments

did know it pisses me off

that lefty poll people think they're important

it pisses me off that they actually feel like

they're important that much

do you left people people got to realize something

you got to realize something you're not as important as you think you are you're just not

ok

the minute i got rid of fulkinga

lefty pool

debate probably radical

maybe i should report him for spamming my channel

how about that

hey proudly radical if you're listening to this

maybe i should ban your bit chaz for spanning spamming my fucking channel

huh

maybe i should fuck and just report you

how would that feel

yeah get rid of ratzu

oh you peique dude you peike

how the fark have i peeked you fulking idiot

how falking stupid do you have to be to think that

do you know i started today's stream at ten thirty pm e s t

do you know how fucking crazy it is to start your stream at ten thirty p m e s t and still have two hundred fucking viewers

where i with the amount of fucking subs i have you're fucking idiot

you're a fucking idiot if i started streaming at four or five

easy four hundred views fucking easy four hundred views

i just don't because i'm fucking waking up late

dude i'm so sick of people in my chat

who think they know

what they're talking about when they talk about streaming

oh you've peek you're not growing anymore you've peeked

dude every fucking day we grow by on hundred subs

consistently

every fucking day we're growing

it just seems like we're not in the past two days

specifically

because i've started this stream so late

it's the fucking law of gatekeepers the gatekeepers want to feel special and they want to feel like they are the peak

i want to tell you guys something right now

there's going to be a time

when there's thousands of people here

ok

do not fucking become a narcissistic gatekeeper

lefty pause maybe one hundred people max i believe it maybe even less

and all of them are losers exactly

but they're gatekeepers and they think i need them

please invite stanis on your show

dude those people in our discord are so fucking cringe and the only reason we tolerate them is because of the consistency

of not banning people for idiological reasons

but guess what

guess what

i flitterly think they're the most disgusting cringe

pieces of shit

in our fucking discord

and i can't stand them

i can't stand them

i focking

there're so cringe and disgusting

they're literally so disgusting and cringe in my eyes

there's so falking disgusting and cringy in my falking eyes

and they're literally the most stupid falking people on earth they're so falking stupid like

of course there's a nache out there on the internet who ironically identify with the fucking establishment and the neo cons literally just despite the mainstream this is literally how internet subcultures work

you if they've come full circle just to be against the mainstream they ironically identify with the mainstream

to seem interesting and unique

it's so falking cringy and disgusting

i think i'm going to talk about ethiopia today

um you know i love the neo the neo con trend because it literally proves

they're just another type of like

russian fake news

thing like they always have counterinformation

dude it's in foru war we all can have our own spins

and we all can have our own connter information you can there is you don't have a fucking objective truth at all you can put your spin on it we put our spin on it and that's the fucking war it's just war and we smash and crush you

bitch

all this iological war about facts and the reliable knowledge is literally about this how many fucking assumptions and leaps are you willing to make

for your fucking idiological safe space

and we make less assumptions believe it or not

way less

hos visiting sages in cock quarantine

wait this isn't true

i'm downloarding

michael story where he signs about his family

it says zero

zero out votes

marxism lenism is a real the democrats of the event

fucking idiot and he thinks he's unique

we're going to go see this proudly couck beitch

we're going to go see him he wants our attention so we're going to givehm our attention

we're going to give mart and

who wants to debate

no he doesn't want to debate dud i'm go to bring him on to talk about ethiopia

tell rodsif to suck my cok

tell him to souck my cock

tell rotsi to literally suck my cop

tell him to suck my cock

he has to debate the fucking community for

i know how to get haz angry he has a weak spirit in a weak mind

what if i just cogked you rots would that make you angry

because i feel like just cauking you

we don't do that for youlogical reasons

but if you're going to di if you want to disrespect

the fucking show

maybe you need to know your place yeah i'm going to cock im how about that

rodson just got caught

enjoy your cock

enjoy your cock rle

maybe i'll uncock you in a few days

just caugt the beach

yeah

i love how these people talk shit and they actually think they can challenge me like this in the discour

i know how to make caz angry he's weak if you're going to call me weak

you're begging me to flex my power over you

ph

pussy

enjoy your stay pussy

yeah you have more accounts ok and if those accounts talk the shit that you do

they're going to get coucked to

pitch

go back to lefty pool

you'll debate yet debate rots of you guy should debate

strongs voss pen

saw that

i don't really like this

cop but we already saw this

new esthetic

no do don't combine them

do not come

do not combine these two

but

thank you

finding the

i mean it's the community's choice i actually can't control

you know

i'm kind of understanding everyth

nice

dodude you want to know who called out this guy whatever his name is eli valley

fucking amy to reseay on twitter she called this guy out

before anybody

thought he was cringe

she called him out

and i literally didn't know why she called him out i was like

why are you like attacking fucking

eli valley he's like he's cool right because

but

a p she saw something none of us did

i don't she's an idiot

i don't know i don't know much about her all i know is that she called

she has called people out

and turned out to be right a few times

so

she's insane yeah but she has a record dude when she calls people out

she gets somehow she just gets confirmed you know

rots have had a point you've peaked

are you coping now

yeah youd like peak

i started streaming at ten thirty

and uh

i have

over two hundred years now

what a p

would have peaked two hundred ten views

five hundred followers on tw each

two case subs

and two hundred views at eleven pm is t at night

what a cope i really have to cope don't i

she seeded over bolivia and said they were exploiting the natives ok's

alright never mind i'll take it back

i take it back sorry guys i don't i don't know i don't know much about this stouff all i know is like a

you know

check my twitter d ms

ok

all right sorry not right now dude

i don't know

no more jacobin no more d sa no more ca based

i'll shit it's d mc a sorry

delusional anti licenco propaganda

buck you bit

just like

did my duty

i'm doing my part

i just like to

infrared discord rule

opposing apoint let's keep discord drama off already

temps

weait

gonzale

i just missed gonzalo

so response you do realize that if you're a mayor you don't have the ability to like

leverage over multinational corporations but bringing them into your cities

gieve

all right i think we saw everything

who is proably radical

proudly read

what dore you ok

here's the guy who wants attention forty four of you ks forty four of you forty four at least have more followers than us at least have more followers

you're going to do this shit

let me see two k followers ok

what the fock do you want

what the fulk do you want

your chatter boom sheika

keeps bothering us

he literally made

two hundred accounts spamming us about you

chat

you

moor the

ship to do

wom the

okay fine

well

ok fine

today

so he wasn't sending him

he wasn't sending it

he wasn't sending him

who's sending him

where's he coming from is he fucking kevin logan's guy

who's sending this book

all right let's cover the news

we're going to get into ethiopia

so i know he's a self identified but

neil

he's so crims dude bast yard is the biggest fuck

green

he's so cringy do

i stand for personal liberty

free markets open waters

strong

one day will debate him will debate him one day

ok

let's let's get

okay guy

led's get right into the news

new mentions come on show requests

can i come on

and talk about how antivo tactics are fougt

no ok stans is here is the original stants

i'm going to bring him in

before we start the news really quick

ok we're going to start the timer ten minutes you caing to have ten minutes to impress me stands go ahead

eleven eleven twenty eight i'm kicking you out

for sure i might do it earlier

on mute

is thist the get the right stand is

two

stanis

guy dragged him up and he's not saying any

ok i'm kicking my

who are you

what do you want to talk about

look i give him a chance stop

hello

hello

hello

okay

you know in for it what's a you have ten minutes

ten minutes

ten minutes yeah

though you called me out on stream what was that about

because you're annoying is fuck whenever i see you in general

oh but disgusting

yeah did that whatever

are you the right standus because there's two standuss i think or is you the right one

you're like the new live one

im stif identified

now not really neo liber neal con

are you this neo constantus

well

yeah i think you're referring to me

o yeah your whole crowd your whole like trend

the most cringed shit ever and i literally feel embarrassed for you guys

you are literally focking the biggest cox and cringy people ever

allright all right well if you want to talk shit about my server and everyone in it why don't you drag my friends side in here

no because i want to debate someone with cloud

you don't have any clout

and foker he isn't choking

so eer one wrell it w don't be a bitch and drag him in

ok you want me to talk to him or you

this draghman don't be a bitch

dude n i don't want to do with both your voices him or you you choose

call me a bit agin you get bally

call me a bitch again you get beack

by you mat

you call me a bitch again

yea

you can call me but you cat pussy little bitch you litll cocksuck you mat you mat

i like when i like when fucking bodied you kid

because he's you're wasting my time that's why i'm mat you're wasting my fucking time

so i just watch the you and blush to be o and bush beat me right bsh beat me you got you got under my skin by saying that

you got under my skin by saying that you met you met

yeah

drag him in

what's that

dragument if you want to talk sit about me and my server then you can falk you in folk your ser the guy in fuk you in fuk your server how about that you can suck my dick

i'm a server admin conn suck my dick and you can suck my dick you don't even know what we're about dog

yeah i do your bunch of fucking pussies and your cringes fok no you don't yes i do you you are cringe is fok

all right i don't your shit if you think i'm cringe i do think being a little cring right n not allow you you listen your little your little and you know a college kid and you poly sigh and all you do is go on your net and regurtate what they teach you in school wow you're so rebellious dude you're so interes what you me are in college are you in school

what are you doing right now

i'm not telling you bitch

are you just debating retards on

like you

which

oh we're not to beating right now so

yeah but you're losing are n about

losing what

you're losing you look cringe everyone's not i wen you're losing it

b

yeah

it is it is what it is but i do you all you are you now unching bag of the server you know that

so how does it feel that america is on the climb

toclimb and fall of the american empire has

american empire yeah how does make empire comeand

yeah it's on the clod does make not on the clin no or not oh it's not he's in the lo

he goes no we're not in decline

anything else buddy you're not in decline

you like obama

no fulking

anything else

destrut my friend in here

w be more your empires in decline

and you're coping

empire yeah

the samempi

it is an empire

need to find autistic bits you know what i mean by empire

you know like this big nws all these ases i ss this wheelds global geminy you want to deny america wheelds global ajeminy like an empire does

so would the u k bean empire

not anymre throm he used to be not any moore

yeah the u k used to be the big dog in town now it's not

so youre your reasoning is you don't like america and therefore it is an empire

you have no when did i say that everyone talks about it as the american empire dude it's fucking common yeah well they're all well

oh i they're all wrong the whole world is wrong right in stants is right the whole world is wrong stanus is right always

yeah

but how why should anyone care what you think

and you haven't convinced me why i should care what you think

inm

give a shit what you think honestly you're in my server and you told me to come on the show and i dragged you up so you don't give a show that's not that fun because

we're not really talking about anything productive since you don't want to

drag my friend in here so

but you need you little friend you know if i drag your friend here i'm kicking you out

well have a chat with him but

ok

anything else thanis

are you a zionist

anything else tnnis

ya are you zionust anything else

yeah are you a zionist n

not why not

what do i have to explain myself to you

you're just not a zgist because i i'm not like it or

yeah i don't feel like it

how does it make you feel

i think zionism is like i real i think it's aane of fash i think zionism is a cope and it's cringe how does it make a cope

yeahpen it's crunch yeah it'll never be sustainable in the long it's yeah and it will never be sustainable in the long term

do you believe in dinosaurs you probably do do you also think the

ok by riord flat

he's gone

ptr fod

now we're going to bring in his friend si

what do you want pussy

come back pusse what you want

what you want you

you were

obdue you were talking about the n s a before i think

when did i ever talk about the n s a talking out of your

i't know someone said you we

i've never told my say ma ma my american imperialism

most of those bases are the five hundred

military bases most of those are just

harms the kids and families i don't give a thout baces a broad dod america will do wbll geminy no one denies that not even the fucking people in the state department deny that you fuck and more

and

ok so that's what you mean by the american that's what we mean by the american empire you fucking brain dead in in them youre d your brain is roted by academi in the internet and it's divorced you from the ability to understand common sense that this play i can't even have a human conversation with these people literally when i say the american empires like i technically no get shut the fuckup bits you know what i mean you soone ese fucking cok

i do you want to get banned

yeah

you want to g didums

you want to get bnd call me a coke again one more time

were you going to have a discussion going to have be an artist

up to you

call me a cook again i'll g you're going toe band how about that

do you want to have a back and forth

and i don't want anything from you bitch

i'm just here to humiliate you and front of everyone in the server

which i'm doing successfully

yeah

lose the dead with no job

okay how would you know goodbye

ok by bitch suck my dick

that's that's that's what they had that's what they had to offer

listen let me teach you guys something about these neo concocts

literally

they will only

have a fucking anything to talk to you about

if you concede to them

the premise and the assumption

that you care about them

like you literally have to be the one who's triggered by them

for it to work

if you don't care about them and just call them cringe coucks and laugh at the decline of the american empire

what can they say

what can they say do

what can they say

dude i just fuck their minds i literally

fox

to their minds

but you couldn't even bring anything up

he literally couldn't bring anything up

couldn't even bring anything up

he literally couldn't even bring anything of you like

he wants to bring up random topics i never even mention like the n s a

and have a boatload of his fact tois ah actually the do i never even mention the n s a before in context what do you have to fucking discuss bitch

fan behavior

ohi actually the n s a uh

really isn't that it's dudy

there's so many normative presuppositions i as if i even share

a common normative position with these people like i literally consider you

an anti human reptile we don't share a common sense of what is good or bad in the first place

we don't share any humanity

i don't share humanity with you dude i just don't

you're literally only in the server to be the punching bag

you're talking shit about me

no keep bullying

they got bt f f

sett it

keep bullying

focter min

i didn't

i didn't let them speak i didn't let them speak

they had a choice to say something

i said what do you want bitch

and all they would fucking say is call me a cock or something is ok if you call me a cookgain you're going to get banned

and then i let him say whatever he wants

and he decided to leave

with the fuck are you talking about and and

m e

n m e you want to get cock

for line

i didn't let them speak i did let them speak

they didn't even say anything

american hegeminy is better than any existing alternative keep coping

keep coping

you're fucking pretty you're circle jerking and presupposing the fact

in the first place

you are presupposing

you are presupposing that you have airtight control to decide who's going to have a gemony in the first place obviously with that degree of power that would be the best thing in the world is it superman type of power you can fuck and do anything

but objectively american hadjeminy is on the decline

and there's no saving it

it is full of internal contradictions and is unsustainable

it has been defeated and destroyed

listen whenever you say pro tip whenever you say something is bad or worse

you are presupposing a definite range of possibilities

and when you're deat presupposing that range of possibility you are confusing the objective reality and the subjective one

simple

hey can i guys do not let any more neo cons in our discord they're trying to brigade us

no

cop

do not let them in the discord i'm going a bandonm one by one

hold on welcome in rules they're trying to brigade us

and nobody we' getting our discord

a nobody's brigading our fucking discord

that's

no you're not coming in our discord they're trying to brigade us

trying to brigade us

they brigade do a lot of them brigade us i think i'm going to start banning the

there's a little bit too many of them

there's a little bit too many of them

think i'm going to start banning the

we need a you know

we can't let them brigade us

this guy so triggered

yeah because you're brigading our server

obliterated by kevin sixty nine

keep coping keep telling yourself

he wants to talk shit i'm going to bring stans back

pussy you want to talk shit

yah what's up hey you want to talk some much shit right

you unemployed communist cocksucker

i hear the nervousness in your trembling cock voice can you lok can you scream o and i hear theucking talk sucking unemployment in your voice

in naming your voice in your voice that's ho you so after osh b t f o do you what did you do how did you cope

i fucked your mother

oh okay that's a cope right there

is it

a do you ca see that vochfuken obliterated you kid

do you concede

that my cock was inside your mother's pussy feeling it what a your fucking six greater you cocks wanding it all becauset room

filling it up to the brim and that was no easy task my friend that was no easy task me tell you that list and con do you have a job

lessen can't you have a job you have a fucking college boy accent

right

yeah

the

your mother longs for me

longs for me

longs for me again are you autistic like serious question do you have like serious question are you autistic

do you believe in dinosaurs

like seriously i want to i'm going to say why are youre ok you here to talk about dinosaurs i know you' w to talk i'm actually being serious

archaeology is my shitdy

serious

everyone is spamming that they want to hear the diamond dinosaur shit

guy shut the fuck up in the discord i'll let him talk shut up

i heard you a do you sok me es source i will only know i'm going to mute you until they shut up and then i'll fucking let you talk

that's the fuck up shut up in general you're fucking annoying me shut up

shut up in general

shut up in general shut up

th in for the thing is

i'm in the oyk i'm i'm in n conservative and i seek to establish a new world order

ok how are you going to do it

i don't know

ok

so why do i care

all right moving on a dinosaurs now

again

ok go ahead and have your dinosaur thing because that's what the people demand do you believe in dinosaurs yes or no

yeah apparently the there they found those bones and shit so

nyeow the thing is

they were actual dinosaur bones they were just rocks

okay

why should i believe that

ase i said it

but you're a bitch to me you're nothing to me why should i care what you say

are this is cringe do you think obama's a war criminal

yeah

you

b

war crimes

like all that droning is

what you mean drone

like the droning the casualties of his droning all the civilian casualties

yeat incidental civilian casualties resulting from drone strikes do not constitute a war crime

ok well

i'm not a fucking war crime scholar but

i don't have a problem when people use that word to describe him

but she just said you think's a wor criminal because all is droning

i guess prove that wrong

how did you prove it wrong

is it ninety percent i said a ninety percent citycasty rate no that's fake news n that is fake news ninety percent the

doesn't even exist

that number ok

well that's your word i'm going off your word

you got that from the interceptorright

i'm not going to tell you where i got it from

yeah you do so if you got it on the your wd c sy

what do i care about your word

i'm always right so you should care about my word

ok so that number the ninety percent thisd let me tell you something from that is stands shut up

there is no such thing as neutral international law

there's no such thing

o yes there is no there's not there's no such thing

but there's no such thing as neutral internationals re schmidt retard there's no such thing as neutral carl schmidt yeah

there's no such thing it's impossible for there to be neutral international law

it's fucking in the quote unquote neutral inter law is what he's on power law is based on brute power

there's no such things that's just not ture in reality

ok and how is it not true

because laws based on power not it'es not like

oh it's not it's the claim is so absurd i don't even know how to de bunk i don't even know where to begin was sounds like you lost the fe lottery market

you lost no

yeah

he lost

no that's not

that's not how old are you ok

you sound very young how old are you

be honest

cannot disclose that

at the moment you're under eighteen aren't you

holy shit he's under eighteen no

holy shit yes he is younger it sounds like a folking high school

nw i'm not under eighteen bro

yes you are you sound like a talking tour

how old are you kid

thirty

i'm the funking owner of the server

so you you you don't ask you i'm going to ask the questions listen kid

kid

how old are you

ok

if you if your mouth gets close to your mike again and i hear that aggression again from you i'm banning you from the server

to assert my dos okll bac

yeah back down little boy back down

you're in my territory

the what did you think about iraq two thousand and three

just min wag

do you think it was justified legitimate legal moral

that you're saying it's justified as a meaningless question

i think from a perspective of this youunit as here ok ok from the perspective of international norms

then established in the international community

i don't think it was considered justified by them

on a basis

on the basis of the fact

that america that

the the world order that was established post world war two after the war to end all wars

means there's a such thing

as

states having an ability to possess self determination and territorial sovereignty

and the uh

the law of the wild west type of imperialism that

we know i mean of the world in pe peal is not the technical sense

that prevailed before world war two

where big countries just swallow up old ones ad hoc

that was supposedly put to an end after the

the the new liberal world order after es stablished after nine hundred forty five

so

yeah

from that perspective it wasn't justified

what no i asked you

that was like a complete derailedy comw

you didn't even answer my question

i told you from the this perspective of international norms it was not considered justified

okay i'll ask

you one more time

think the iraq war was justified

what do you mean do i think it was justified

anyways chill i don't think we're going to go anywhere here so so you can s go back to dron seed

concede what

you can see you what o me saying we're not going to go anywhere here does not mean me you can see that i'm wrong it means you fell it can conceded

dud what's wrong with you know it doesn't

yes it does he means you conceded you said is it justified which is a meaningless question

unjustified by whom for whom

you're mem all rights you are assuming that there is a universal subject

indiscriminate

of their position in relation to reality for whom it is justified or not justified i consider that a baseless philosophical assumption

if that's your question

kid how fucking old are you do not know these bas are it s anyways some

what did you call me

this

so as you know in chat did you see the message i sent where i said i was going to

i was going to die in a month

i don't care

i'm actually like dead ats about that

ok i literally only got less than a few months

but just one of the nothing to say matters obama it's not a war criminal the cia is justified and hans interrogation techniques for not torture the n s a follows the law

and your bat the by

you cancede he conceded

dude the it's so cute

because they literally sound

they literally fucking sound

like fucking the

they sound like maowist red guards c is it like they're etiologically fucking

fanatical

all they have a slogans they just have slogans you can't even have a phone conversation with

this is so cringe dude this is so cringe

dude we have a policy on debates mods what the fuck are you doing letting these people in

mauds can you stop i'm bringing this guy up now cause you let him in

stop fucking letting all these people in we have to get to the news we actually have plans for tonight i want to fuck and talk about ethiopia

ok

i'm banning liberalism distort

destroyer

i'm banning him just because he has a cringe name

band

i'm just banning him not all of them

know who is in charge kid

he's bad

scause i i just

i saw him and he's cringed

i'm not going to ban the other ones though let him stay

ok

mods stop bringing in the neo cons they're coming from another server rating us

we we already have enough of them ok we're going to keep these ones around

so our community can have these punching bags

but don't fucking tire our community out with them you know we're not going to turn this into a turf war

for these people

i'm turning the alert box on

what the folk do you want

allright i just wed if you have a discussion around the

around the general idea of

america being the best of ser

strongest rull power

being the strongest world power

whys why why do you not want america's the strongest rule power

because i don't think in terms of want or wish or what

one

for me to want something means i have definite matrices of what i consider

objective reality that's independent of my want

and i don't i think you're making an assumption when you begin from that perspective

i want america to be the world power well you're mistaking actually you taking for granted the objective realities

as regards to america's

power

i will say that objectively the liberal democracy is the best system

for the well being of it could have be objective because it's a normative claim

i'm saying ave best for whom best for whom

and how the best for everyone in the world basicallys just have a little boxing i'm going to s i'm going to ok you are going to hold your hand and representation

ok you want me to hold your hand and run you through how you're making a tautology you're making a circular argument

it's

you can only argue that it is the best

based on

what conditions of possibility are taking for granted

and assuming our objective rather than subject

unders sand you're trying to go agat

universal bors first of all first of all

america is the best with regard to what

like what alternative do you have in mind

well this a past you say it's the best

you mean it's the best with regard to the past or with the best with regard to

another planet on in which the world order is arranged differently

best in regards to what

let me finish i'll say you the best in regards to securing

democracy and basic freedoms because when you live under with regard to what is my question

i get your point i heard your point

you said it's the best for happiness and democracy and securing freedom don't give me more of those give me what are you basic what is you what are you basing that against awful

if you're saying it's the best what are the other possibilities or realities it is the best with regard to

if i say an apple is the best fruit i'm saying it's better than bananas it's better than oranges

it's better than kiwi

you get my point

look i walk it through it's the saying democracy is better than authoritarian system we have a few people on top or one party on top because that's an abstraction happen so you're shot up the shot shot shot nor korea

shut your stupid wor mouths

shut up i think respectful shut up i don't care i don't care i don't respect

shut up you're in wasting my time in annoying me and i want to talk about ethiopia

and i don't i don't want to talk we talk shot or and i'm talking to you

i'm giving you the benefit of talking to despite that we have a protocol where we don't just talk to fucking anybody

you understand we have a protocol

you are supposed to debate my community first i'm treating you special right now so you better shut your fucking mouth

l honored

you mentioned american world order which is a concrete reality american in geminy it's a concrete historical reality i asked and you said it's the best

and i said best in regards to what

and then you said in regards to something that is

not comparably real wellre what level you says you read in that

you said authoritarianism which is an abstraction

i'm looking for concrete reality receiptll compared to north korea system where you have a where has north area ok has north korea reasonably

ah

asserted itself in such a way so as to contend

for a level of worldhod gemony

whether in the past or in the future that is comparable to america's

oh they threate on our allies they have nuclear weapon tests and that and it's just like the way they threat alstcks korea mestan has nuclear weaponll you can say if you pick ask anyone we to live in north korea or south korea they'll say

south korea ok sure sure sure is uch we're not talking about which country is

better to live in which is also another question but we're not talking about that right now

well we're talking moral shu your mouth youre testing my patience shut the fok up what we're talking about

is whether is what you said which was that america's worldhd geminy is the best

ok we're not talking about whether south korea is better to live in than north korea i asked you with regard to what and you said north korea but north korea isn't a fucking it's not even a world power it doesn't have a model or a vision for world order it doesn't have any example of what world order would look like under a north korean led leadership your fucking example is meaningless

are you this stupid how old are you how old are you don't waste my time have twenty

okay

you're twenty

yeap

and i have to i have to talk to an idiot like you whos no basic logic

oh i know i mean i' i mean you're saying that youn't let me finish my main points though

would say that i

my main point is just i look at liberal democracy in the allies of that haven't s securing that freedom certaly better than

china being in the ins where they have people live under the place like the werek the

who has your freedom but n has freedom

well you know obviously

compare just the system of china ves the place like liberal moxi se people can ok liberal democracies a criceis and time magic liberal democraci is in crisis time magazine admitted that new york times admitted that all your new liberal shills and you conscis admit it's in crisis and has been in crisis

for a few decades

ok we're in it it's not a so to say it's normatively better than something else

is meaningless

it's in cchrisis it's facing an internal contradiction objectively even if even if we were to presuppose that at in some time period it was better

even if we were to make that normative presupposition

it would not account for the fact that it is objectively facing an internal contradiction which it has not proven its ability to overcome whatsoever and by the way what i'm saying right now all the fucking schills in the

new york times and time magazine and washington post and all those fucking guys they would all agree with what i'm saying right now

your guys would agree with what i'm saying right now

liberalsy call

e call exists of dinosaurs normative doesn't really make that you want to ok if you talk about dinosaurs and beanding you talk if you talk about dinosaurs and beanding all right i want i wont

but so basically all i'm saying is that

what i want as a

being a general moral truth that can be pretty objective saying you want the best

role for everyone to pretty much think this's a universal thinge that

for so ly ok forre its are what is the range of the conditions of possibility that inform your

you're

your point point of view that

what range of the conditions of possibility

is apparent and evident to you

in the first place

oh of course woing people joust be able to

if you're a woman that people to wear what you want to wear shot up you're not answering my fucking question i get your twenty year old idiot but you're not answering my actual question if you're saying you want the best world of all

you have to choose from what exists

what is the range in is ship choose and liok at oxus that's you know that's the u s south korea japan that's a

you know as opposed to china as opposed to china ok we can begin morean iiranor ok as opposed to china and iran and someone so in your view

in your view liberal democracy and authoritarianism are basically abstractions and they can be interchangeably shifted in and out

regardless of a country's context and history and traditions and unique reality

it or if only iran just had normal liberal democracy then iran would be the same thing as south korea and japan

if only iran

adopted the abstract principles that you have in your head iran would be the same thing as france is that what you think

well of courses cultural impacts on that but overall yes it's not just a call rule in falize a fundamental civilization of to have we want to live

and all your biliemments a something stupid too

do you know what china means

like what it translated into

jog w jong w you know what that means

you can amostly

jun you know what that means the word are china and chinese

can it means wherees that come from no it means middle kingdom stop fucking the railing i'm fucking the one in the driver's seat here it means middle kingdom

all those alient treel shut up

what the folkives you the right to talk i don't even want you here

babbling bits you babbling bits shut your fucking mouth

china means middle kingdom

china was the heart

the heart of east asia

south korea and japan were peripheral civilizations in regards to china

you cannot use them as an example of a fundamental ability to address the uniqueness of asian civilization because these are peripheral states

wh who have been propped up in the main in the main

by american

the marshall plan americ post war american system

first and foremost with without that

they are nothing

the second of all even in regards to your point it's fucking stupid

south korea is not a traditional liberal democracy south korea is where it is only after a period

of complete dictatorship in the late twentieth century and it translated into something that appears more democratic but to call it liberal democratic is a little bit of a stretch south korea is still an asian country and it's not the same there's no broad brush of so called liberal democracy and even even then if you look at the orientations of countries like japan and what's actually going on

you're seeing

the the tide of liberal democracy in retreat even in a country like that with the revival

of the military in the right wing and so on and so on

so even those examples you used in addition to being stupid just as stupid as talking about iran and the other countries

even those fucking examples fall flat

so are you here to waste my time or make a unique point i haven't heard before

we talk but china that's what we're cat talk about is like why why is it better for china the wild power the us for instance

why is it what

if you want objective point so i'm saying that for me first part of the talk booch is why penmo axcy is the best system for

people around the world and toj saying people can

representation live how they want to

live and it also protects os how accurcy when you mentioned ok representation the first ence hold on

you said representation you said yes

representation

people living how they want to live with the other point you mentioned

there's common give by point just people know's your other point i want to us one by one

all right so representations number one

number two is like

constitution or basic rights protect on no number two is people living how they want to live number three is what

constitution

well you can take my words that way but what i mean there's still

public good just at a certain point people can live generally

how they wish ok

and those my two main points you know so those are y points first of all

in china and i can walk you through this little boy in china the people are more represented in both their local governments

and their central government

way better represented than they are in the west

in your second point people living how they want to live

liberal democracy doesn't actually allow people to live how they actually i know it price that this publicd

no you

don't cut me off again

you fucking idiot

let me finish my point because that's not what i'm trying to say

i'm trying to say that the blank check of rights abstract rights

is indeterminate

which means

it's a it's an indeterminate freedom

it's a random freedom consumers type of freedom i go to the store i make this choice and make this choice but this isn't actually what people want

people want

to live

as a people they want to live according to their traditions according to their

their history according to their

objective own reality

they don't simply want choice for choice's own sake

choice for choices on stak

sake

means

there you cannot ever arrive at actually what you want

ah

what you actually and specifically want you always have this blank check of rights choice for choices own sake

and order to main maintain the choice

for choices own sake

you can never stick with anyone

so called choice

china for example the people do live how they want

but what they want

is not abstract

that with the range of possibility

within which they can choose what they want or what they don't want

is a finite range

ok

and this is true for all countries and all civilizations but what liberal democracy does

as instead of addressing the concrete reality of this finite range they have a blank check of indeterminate freedom

where the

doing what you want

basically means

h

doing nothing

onm doing nothing at all

doing nothing

substantially at all

in regards to

your own living being and your own objective reality

i can go get attacked ok this you can do all those things in china too by the way in china you can do all the stupid hedonistic things

but

but

there' is also a level of familial

civilizational

and political obligations

that defines and is what makes the asian and even continental european society

different from the liberal democratic

anglo saxon kind

you have a certain obligation and responsibility

and this is true for all mankind and all civilization

except the one that you are saying is the best

all right so i guess we can talk now so what i'm trying to say is that

is that you're trying to say it's not

objective system in that way but i mean when you look at some the choice people have it's not

whether there is what freedom of have

skiddles oreos it's basically the choice between

having the free press and be able to speak your thoughts greatly great ok so political freedom as we you want to put on right yeah

ok then here's my question even better

political freedom to exercise what will

because political reality is also a finite range

and may actually is the most best example of it being a finite wrange this is why a chinese idiologist would tell you very simply

freedom for what if you have a policy proposal that you think is good

you have will have a

far easier time implementing policy

concrete change

in china than you can in the west

the saying in china goes in china

there is a dynamism an absolute freedom to implement policies and all this kinds of stuff

but

you cannot change the fundamental matrices of the party rule

in the west

you can change the party rule but you cannot actually change concrete policies

so freedom to do what what you're saying is that you want rights for rights own sake

freedom for only for freedom's own sake

but you're not actually saying what specifically do the chinese people need what's what specific

thing do they need and want to do

that the c c p is preventing them from doing and you're going to say oh the they block political speech but then we're going in circles speech to say what and toward what end so it's the same question

all right so you can talk about let's say jin jane for instance right this s he was dissatisfied with how o

people are locked up

and without representation that way ok sure it's like you know i mean i think it's better if people have better stands of living there and have government represent them because it's like fundamentally

you need you need but here's a problem reps shu not change by choosing jin

as your example

you have chosen the worst example

because this is an example of a national contradiction a contradiction between a cerain enic

people

and the central state

but it's but this problem

liberal democracy is worse at dealing with this problem this is why

there is no such thing

no such thing as a multinational liberal democratic state every liberal democracy and you would say america is the only exception

and canada but america is just cosmopolitan america' is a so called melting pot

it does not

it' is not a country that is united

by different fundamentally different peoples who have roots within the territory and different traditions

a like russia and china are ok

liberal democracy

this is why when you transpose liberal democracy

to these places when you get more asian with liberal democracy it becomes racialistic and genocidal

because liberal democracy only

has meaning within a mono ethnic

mono national state now

granted america is not mono ethnic

but it is

mano national there are no

diversity of national realities in america

as compared to a

multinational state

like china which is inheriting

the king sorry the ching dynasty

if that's how you pronounce it

and russia which inherited russian empire which are post mongol states

so jin jeng isn is a nonstarter as an examp

it's a nonstar

all right well first off i'll say that's fairly imperialistic to

avocate that way but then all the main point though i want to say though is that you want to ada for instance is a place that has like i just sa canada on in a polital

canada is cosmopoliotan it's cosmopolitan and it's in the fucking new world nobody living in canada

is actually

no one living in canada

no one living in canada besides the indigenous people

or

a

true national group

who live on the territory that defines their tradition their history

do we have quebec man i mean like quebec's not my million people that that's

what corps of us on that and they have their own place quebec and it's

they try to separatist movement as well we gave them a vote

butbt it know you have louissa

no that's not com parable it's not as high of a french populations majority french i find o i can see ho i can see l listen i can see louisiana' is not comparable but ultimately quebeck and these are all settler states these are this is the new world we're talking about it's a settler state

ok

these are all settlers this this is not like in europe like france and so on and so on and

britain and and uh

germany and so on

it's not like that

but that to be have our territories have representation and like the i don't you be smart and say well why do't s use united kingdom just say the united kingdom that would be your best example

because the united kingdom is

northern ireland and scotland right

ga is the best songs we have a whole country it's incorporating government that's be mandatory two languages is that

for you know prime ministers have speak both languages that it's like you have

quebec government and es have but you anded or is just osmotopolitsan colonial state it's not a fuking actual states's not all cos u k is your best example canada's the worst example

it's the worst example canada is just a fucking cosmopolitan state in general

it's not a fucking good example of a multi ethnic state

i would could talk about u k as well if you'd like ok now finally the example possible

which would be the u k

but

here's the thing about the uk

you would have to be making us the assumption

that that history is over that there's not going to be any more times of troubles with ireland ever again

regarding the question of northern ireland but after brexit that a whole fucking can of worms

was just opened up again so it's an ocean book

there's an listen based on history of the united kingdom's

you of britain england's violence against ireland

we cannot say in the future

that that

this liberal democracy will ensure the

equal rights you know it's you can't ensure that whatsoever

well they wtvote whe they will leave or not if they want to leave the whole region you let them leave they don't the rather stay

ok have that n thats were one sided british you know mean imt you ha a different view whether will stay or not you know ot noo no no no no

the irish have a different view

and sp what about spain though in spain they don't even let them vote in spain they just jailed the rapper from catalonia

don't tell me they can just leave with it it's not how it works in the fucking world

anywhere

and say so in that butm just saying man that like

there's no way ireland suffers wagion chain has

i'm just i'm not saying it or comparingb on the right now i'm saying in the future

what why they don't representation that like i mean i am saying a few decades of apparent stability within the u k is not enough to conclude

that liberal democracy have s has solved the problem

of funda with multi ethnic multi regional statehood

we have multiple parties i mean i know you don't want to talk a cand that but we have the block qbecy they represent that that have to do with anything group

well it's saying that if scotland has the scotland national party like ca me they represent themselves i mean if san jan government

that representation inj has a loc government it does have a loc has that here to the to the central government though anyway it has that here to the base so does the scottish and i the they coun talk they want they talk about separaateing they won't get squashed or thrown in jail they'll just be

they'll just be

you know may be disregarded by the whole but they can still voice those opinions and canada but you know the difference you can sy in in these liberal you can say whatever you want

but it's not actually going to make a difference in in asian countries speech makes a difference

that's why there's a difference

that's why

in scotland in it won't make a difference but when it does make a difference like it does in spain you see what happens

now don't you

iout to a short point and my whole point is just that the have a different region different ethnic group and that they rather separate their own country in their own region

i i k them vote and they can vote whe the want to stay or not you know it's just it's just the consent of the

of the government and that really i mean like it's not the case in spain

there

it's not the ps in spain the they st of the talk with calony they should let them it's not even true in america in america if a state even if it democratically decided to concede from america it wouldn't be allowed to

not talking about the states i mean like you know iver talked about that it's don't even want to currently anyway

but even if they wanted to it wouldn't be considered legal within america's laws

it worked through a process and that then you know probably not but ie talked but we're talking most lip of demoxy so like i mean

the

uh for talking about uh you know

k or canada we allow those

you know votes happen you give the appearance of allowing it only when there is no threat

only when there is no major threat

there wasn't majeoru there's terrorism in that i mean like it's like it was like

well there is there's the quebec separatism was actually quite violent in that and the way we quelled a lot of the disgruntle that was he gave them mor autonomy

left them aside their own laws and culture andl had language protections

and they're a lot more happier now most now most want to stay within a within canada actually

it's just pretty much the boomers you want to leave us so let's do that with oth the regions guess what

guess what

two things

two things

f actually three things

to be

one

what if that's what turns out to happen with jingjen

what if what if you're just

i would if you're just saying

the history is done when it's actually not done

two

again

it's a stupid comparison

you can't compare quebec separatism

from with xinjeng separatism

because the situation is fundamentally folking different

and again

canada cannot be compared to china because canada is a settler cosmopolitan state

i get your point that there was separatism and ethnic separatism and stuff

but that's not enough to sustain the point

that liberal

but that's not enough to sustain the point that there is no liberal democratic state on planet earth

that is managed to preserve

the multi

regional and multinational

unity proper to the past civilizations

a

every

liberal democracy

has to be

a mano national state

and your example of quebec

hasn't

hasn't changed this

because for one

whether we would even regard canada as a nation is dubious

what if canada is just a settler type of state

is canada a nation it's a dubious claim to begin with

we're decentralized federal system i mean it's just you let you let processs have a lot of their own laws they control health care control a lot of canre candida is a settler

colonial

state it's not a real nation it's not a real state

it isn't real it's a it's a fucking colony

from somewhere else

all right well'll just say that i do believe in cand as a nation but i've saying i don't s were trying to say though bout it dishes and that but i mean

we has a process the work through in that but

we actually off open up the constitution as well and

amend that with indigious people so they're able to have some

but uh

they basically get the on the table they want to agree to and that and we work through the courts as well for their claims and that and

it often works out very well for them too i mean ot of proces be better but my point is that

the answer when a region wants to have respect have their own differences it's not the stamp ot on the what you just sre you just more a lot of me and the more

but you have more th y three points one

it's not comparable or that was to the second pint but a'll reay arrange it one

it's not comparable to china in the beat in the first place

two

two

you are making the assumption that the

thing going on in jin jang is over what if it right now is the time of troubles

or maybe the time of troubles has already passed

and

already we don't even get good information about what's going on right now

but yeah there was some trouble injin jen there and you admitted there was trouble in the past

in your exis is suming

the point one is invalid when it is valid it's not comparable

assuming its valdo

assuming it's valid you just admitted that there was trouble with quebec

and that it pass

i

that's gone now

pretty well

what's that

pretty well calle now just have like you that the presentation of their own party and they can get

autonomy and their own laws and it's all sorted out very you know call china has also a very robust localistic form of governance to probably way more local th lve toar to party rules though in that it's a gult to hear to party stand because they don't se icked ot and there's hard

bar woman as well from the highest shot in your focking mouth

party rule

one party rule

doesn't change the fact it doesn't say anything about how the party's power is a exercised and be distributed

do do ok do you think china's government is just the party

i know the have this few the smaller parties well no no i'm not talking about parties at all

you don't understand that china has a dual form of statehood

it has the people's government

and it has the party rule

and they're separate

the people's government is not reducible to the party

still the upper government could make them do whatever they want if they ok buth you make yes they could they could they could but this is your problem with

with this is your problem with your metaphysics of statehood

they could make them do whatever they want

but what they want is always a finite range is not an infinite range

it it the courts are all subservient to the party here in canada yes but the parties aims of the parties aims are finite or

are not listening shut up the party's aims are finite not infinite

what the party wants is finite the party is telling retards like you what do you falking want

you need an alternative you can't just talk about the abstraction of rights and the right to have this in the right what do you actually want to do with those rights

that's what the chinese etiologist would ask you

what those rights are people to be able to advocate for what they want to see in their community is like what's like what would a green example of that such as this will representation as well are saying criticizing the party i like the damn foren criticizing you for what

well just critis criticizing failures in the government's is there is listen there is not a state in the world morese more self critical about its failures and successes than china if

if bureaucrats and fucking officials fuck up in china

they are sacked in disgraced forever and the pressure is on them

way more than it is in officials in the west and not only do they have more pressure

to do the right thing

even their fucking business leaders have that pressure

price is so called private citizens in the west even they have pressure and obligation

and responsibility

that western ones don't

they they often use that to go suk up political opponents dog that's what the situation where nyont listen thisen this why why do they do it to do what is the nature of the contradiction is it just because they want power for power's sake

well it's all it's institution that sixs on power and it's just for what power to do what and why well power that more control over the over the states you have control to do what resource to do what ar say china' is not trying to take more power for itself like to do what power to do what

to have to have part of it's for security part of it's for to do what p to s to secure what ges stor i'm going to keep asking you until you give me a determine it's concrete answer to do what you are are you listen you are an anglo saxon canadian n p c who thinks in terms of rights for right's sake

freedom for freedom's sake power for power's sake control for control's sake the asian civilization asks you where are the receipts

what are you going to do with those things that's what actually matters not the form itself of how you do it

what actually matters are the receipts that's the chinese mentality according to your western mentality only formalism matters according to the chinese mentality the content matters you see the difference

i'm trying i'm try i'm

i'm understanding the point you're saying saying that it's ok they see it differently if you're saying they is but you don't really know all ay people jane obviously would have a different opinion because ivi some would some would jan it but guess what

some some may sion jang but according to asian civilization

a civilization is not the aggregate of individuals a civilization

is something bigger than individuals it's not just the aggregate of individuals

so if an individual chinese person

for example

voices disagreement this does not fundamentally contradict the reality of the chinese people as expressed by the party and is expressed by the chinese state

if you want to

if you want to prove that the people are something different than what the party and state gives representation to them as you must successfully overthrow the state in that party

and the only way you can do that in the long term at least

is if you actually possess the support of the population

you see how it works in the real world

you can't have support with the you know fair lectures the parts criticize that because they have no but but n listen list who didn't said something brilliant

there is no state

that can rule in the long term without the assent of its people

it doesn't matter how restrictive its policies are it doesn't matter how much

it disallows whatever you're saying and disallows free election by the way you're just saying more anglo retard bullshit

rights for rights own sake

blah blah blah

elections for elections own sake vote between the party like you're going to choose between oreo's

and i

a greyhoam crackers or something

completely meaningless choice for no reason

listen i use example of choice i'm talking just about woman be able to voice the same me too movement and that that may not happen

if it wass again where you gotan the idea that those women do not have rights in china

i'm saying the central committee does not have any woman in the very so senter of i do not are women not allowed to be in a central community

there's not in there and the so what if there's none in there

well i care about w representation having a voice the suck my de love wy i believe in

woman have a right sorry about that then

they do have rights you're saying the party has an obligation to make women in the so committe no rule of law that's the thing though you get

get brought the ficials that they make sentence less th ok but io all here in to the part when she cracked down on the problem of rampant corruption he was a bad authoritarian so which one is it

that that's not the that's not the justary bance independently that's just a political figure

this is in u the only countries that have a that believe in this fairy tale of an independent judiciary branch are anglo saxon liberals

can mr canadian get with the fucking program napoleon should have fucking invaded your dumb country and introduceed basic civilization on your dumb ass and you still have this bullshit about we need to uphold the pure independence of the judiciary which is this ancient fucking primitive and barbarian bullshit that has no place in a fucking modern world of law saying that if you're a government official or a person there is no such thing as a rule

law in the abstract all you w listen

all law the law cannot rule itself

but you have not made an adequate criticism that there's zero rule of law in china at all

it's all it's all a hear into the party's rule bask but the party is the law the how about that what if i said the party is the law and i'll say that party members of the child is the parti's institution

they do not have checks and balances on them which means that if they comm in theres no such thing as checks and brodes there's no suing as checks and balances there is checks and no there is' one

there is no such thing abut policings poliicings

the oth there if they're able to can't police themselves right i think you agree on that what's that

if he had a police for instance it's better to have independent

investigation ok china has ways of making those in power accountable to tw other organs of power if that's addressing ust ustt the a judge jury executioner yourself they cannot

execute themselves those people you don't know shit about china those people are subject to general scrutiny

ok

you you're making shit up there's no such thing as a pure rule of law or pure checks and balances read krl schmidt

and stop bothering me and boring me with your retarded lockey and bullshit get what the fucking program dude it's the twenty first century you still believe in naive liberal fairy tales about how power works and it's so cringe

it'st fairy tales man it means like if my primeis isn't troudeau all of a sudden like a roudeau can suck my cock

that so very nice sir we'll fork him

and i hate canada too now because you

because you're bothering me

say i was even

you're used all this abstract concepts there but finally can usually agree that half an

people represented themselvess just a good thing in generally yeah but how do people how do you appear ple actually represent themselves

they don't represent a reson in canada they formallya say they represent themselves but in content they don't

just like in america

in form only in form only in form

do they represent themselves not in content

and caught to they do the get lo they don't in canada and oligarchy rules languages

it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if they have two languages in canada does

is why does it matter why does it matter

they don't have multiple languages in china

in china they don't have multiple languages in china they have multiple languages

well it's good the reputation different languages my whole point of just saying that you have like china doesn't have the representation

they don't regional parties represent people's interests why do they need a reginal pded why did not elicit represent in canada canada they gave them a regional cardy

that doesn't actually have any real power that's not actually were real power is let me tell you something boy if you can give people power they don't actually fucking you don't actually fucking have it in the first place if you're the one giving it to them

you see how has seen the point

you see how at some at a certain point all law and all politics

comes down to the real basis of its power you know why maus said all fucking power comes out of the barrel of a gun cause at one point the buck stops somewhere and it's just fucking true all power comes out of the fucking barrel of a gun if they're giving quebecans some token representation they're not actually giving em any real power but the appearance

and the comfort

and the token consideration of some kind of power it's not real actual power

if they consent they can vote to leave whenever they want

they can get laws and governments that are in power like liberal part that they caandor to the to give them rights so ok so anyway i

they can they can but it won't they won't and i read they only can because they wre't the

they only can because they won't in liberal democratic countries like spain where there's a big chance of whether if people will vote to leave they fulking will like in catalonia the government shuts that shit down

we let them vote for and they voted no it's like

how it is i haven't investigated the circumstances of that election and what was happening with that whole thing

so i'm just going to give you fact by the way every time i gave my opponents factual assumptions in the past i always discovered things that blew them the fuck out

but i'm going to let you have your facts just so we can get this argument going let's say they find fine they voted no

but it's only because of that that they have

now the right

you see

they were only i would argue they were only allowed to vote because the canadian authorities knew they were going to say no

that was actually very it was like fifty fifty point

five percent remain that nowadays the points lot higher for them but you know they mean they

they fundaaly almost left that time and it's they chose to stay nowdays nine hundred ninety five

and how do you know it wasn' rigg

ah because it's a it was a moderate election and by who monored by who

well

mean o the specific election bureau that wanted it but i mean there was you ca look at pollan that's can grew and with how it turned out as well

like just pol didn't you vote no the anglos living in quebec on like no no you see non quebeci's voted no that would be like if you're saying

the decisive people who choose whether xinjiang stays in china or not are han chinese

so the decisive people within quebec

were fucking anglos and they were non fucking a

modern poland it's like seventy percent remain it's in canada frenchust like frenchjust what among among ethnic quebecans ub

among ethnic quebecis

they let non quebecs vote in it du that's a stupid example

quebeck a vote it wasn't people outside of quebec it was people think it was people who were not ethnic quebecis

they weren't ethnic quebecis

pretty small part of it i mean like it's like if you look at modern w thou it's a pretty small part of it dude you just said the election was forty nine point forty two verse fifty point fifty eight

which is ay really close call

now it is if you look regardless it's like seventy percent remain now and they can vote leave whatever they want and it's like young people want to remain that's how it's just the fact ok even if they do that that then then how i would interpret those facts is that they've just become assimilated and they're no longer even an independent nation with their independent conditionl lin itgs like it's like it's not it's not that's not enough speaking their own language is not enough

with their own party that advocate ok let's let me walk it through you idiot why would young people want to stay because young people don't have a strong and firm sense of national identity that's fucking wid

young people are more cosmopolitan

so you just negated the whole point

in china is a multinational civilization which actually preserves the differences between the various different peoples within china

it preserves those it says reeducation camps we do not have french rich so why there vocational training centers for job there cational training centers for jobs they're not just reeducation camps i jobs over over language and cultural

practices

some things injin jang are being cracked down upon which were imported from saudi arabia

in which a dwart falking indigenous

xinjang culture

mean it's their culture and they took it on the

cultures change no it was spread by foreign saudi arabia propaganda

same propagandan if they' choose to follow religion that's their choice but there's no such ok in the asian society there's no such thing as an abstract freed

free choice in a vacuum there's no such thing

you can symalize it

what's that

generalization me it mean i can point to very

societies live with public good very much in the idea of public good like

japan for instance re only my god it's twelve thirty i didn't get to the news because this fucking guy wants to take up my time

dude i already talked about japan and south korea with the other guy they're not middle kingdom they peripheral civilizations and they only exist because of america's marshall plan and by themselves they would be at the mercy of big countries like china amperialism that's what that is you're saying that small the now we have to talk about iter it was that's terrible now we have to talk ud you see what happens when you let them in i told you not to let them in now we have talkbot imperialism retard the origin of the

word imperialism was the eight hundred seventy s and it was referring to something very very specific it was not referring to empires whatsever it was referring to something more specific expansionistic empires have always fuking existed big powers have always fucking existed the only fucking meaning of the word imperialism that gave meaning to the fu

and breath it into existence had the context of the eight hundred seventy s you fking in it

he can say so but plate b

it's a fact the word came into the fucking language in the eighteen seventies something news and specific arose in the eighteen seventy that made people that saw that people saw fit to invent a new word to describe it if the thing you're talking about has always ext shut up if the thing you're talking about has always existed then they wouldn't see fit to only invent a word to

to describe it in the eight hundred seventy s they would have already had a fucking word for it that they would have applied in every context but that's not how it fucking works now is it

w i believe we shouldn't live in

that

more times justpach other the biggest stick i believe we live a time were you doesn't matter what you think doesn't matter what you think this is a dog listen listen anglo anglo read your hobbs and stop bothering me doesn't matter what i read the whole thing

you read thevi th then read it again and stop bothering me about it because even you guys on what yous fundamentally it's different from today leve i thought because today

you have like surveillance state you have control pe because when hobbs wrote that book after the civil war and that it was like you can live alls power comes out of the burrel goun

well and that's a terrible thing the advocate for cahing about not it's n it's not about people advocating listen idiot

no its that doesn't exist as a fucking normative position that someone wants to checks on balances no there's no such thing in material objective reality it is dog eat dog power comes out of the barrel of the gun that's not what we want it's just the fucking truth

it's the true nt

honestly living an artic state and nations they all compete with each other but

for the fatsll we should have we should we should based on what reality to make a normative claim you have to make a presupposition about what is objective in the first place and you're getting that confused dude

doesn't fucking matter what you want

what matters is what the reality is in the reality the dantic things

i'm just saying the fundamentally you know it's just i don't care what you want i don't care what you want to care about reality fok what you want

this is your neo conserver is literally full of people who literally have only told me i want this and i want that i don't care what you want i'm not your mom i don't care what you want

fuck you

and fairly respectfully you're the one kind of flip the note i know i'm not going to respect you pitch you're spamming my d m s i don't owe you respect do you need to do you had the buking audacity to challenge me to a debate without doing homework on me and knowing my fucking policy you have to get through my community first if i bring you wane and you get to skip my community i get to have my fun in abuse you

sure but i think everyone here knows you're the one rage and you're the one just ook once in the chat once in a chat if he's a cock and i should ban him

democracy time

let the people decide

can i see is there even one two or there's one two

there's only one two i can count

there's

to

one two

one exception so far

come on guys keep you going once in the chat if is a band is bit chesz

this is democracy dude it's what you want

should love very well

you know the right just saying i think everyone thingk shviously obvi din w this one because you just i want to the if i want on in the chat if i won

democracy time

right because it's not because look you're a dictator then because if you're going to impose what you think on everyone that means you're a dictator i think you' have a right pick me up not deny that a community can but everyone's voting that i want and you didn't but according to you democracy is the best way to express what see we havey constitutions just share you know if we had a

twitch modern yeah the know we have a constitution too we have your name was ss we have a constitution we have a constitution

sure i'm not saying you have a right to do that i'm just saying that right here though

but if we had let's say a liberal democracy the be judiciary who devaluate this and

no no you aded angeo saxon liberal democracy

an independent judiciart independent judiciary independent judiciary

is something

foreign to most democracies in the world

idiot

there's no pany storas general it's just objectively a better thing to have a canadian a canadian and to party thinks it's better he thins his system is better and than everyone else in the world and he knows better

by anglo kansa cok

i i want to free people around the world to live under a system where they can govern themselves and see the son of my cock and liberal democracy

beach

time to talk about ethiopia i want to talk about more news

but we have to go straight to ethiopia now

come on show request five people

let's cover the drones

no you had your chance and you fucking left

and you've lost sight

peing me again and i ban you

who's veggie galore

oh shit she's a woman in china

and she could have shut him up

i'll have you in sh i'll have you on if you want

and you can like briefly talk about it before you get into ethiopia

please add me

come into the show qe

sige

hello

hello he with hello

have some

well

pie

yeah

whos

is this inforect

yeah yeah we are you're on stream right now

okay awesome hi

yeah i just kind of wanted to make a couple of statements i am a i'm from the u

um and i'm a woman living in china i've been here for about five years

um

and i just want to make a few statements that were severely incorrect

um i first want to say that

um living in china i've had a lot of opportunities to learn

a lot about the chinese culture and the chinese people

and a lot of what you see on western media is pure propaganda and lies

um

and

in regards

to women here

it's not perfect and you know the chinese communist party are open you know they're aware that they need to improve and i'm this is nothing bad against them

um and they are openly trying to you know

engage more with women and have more women join the c c p i mean there's

millions of people that are in the c c p

and you know more and more women are joining i've had students

that you know how to take the test and become party members

um there is a lot of white h rights for women here

personally i will say you know i've had somethings happen to me here in china as a woman like

i've been robbed

um

and the police were very delicate with me they were very nice to me

um

and you know women have a lot more opportunities here

then i would say in the u s

and you know the idea is that you know women don't have rights you know there's not a lot of women

you know in the political parties or anything

i mean they are aware you know

uh of this of that situation and they really are trying

you know to make things more equal

and i would say that feminism here is not like how we understand feminism in the west

so you know i think a lot of people don't understand that

and they really are about

you know building each other up

and especially making

giving women more rights and more access

and

you know they just

they're trying very hard

and it's really annoying to see people from the west who've never been

to china who've never researched china

they dispute propaganda from the west

which i have seen constant lies in the past five years about china

and that's kind of what irritated me and made me want to come on and clear some stuff up that

you know

china is very open about

you know that they're not perfect and they're trying they're trying to make a better life for everybody

however i don't think we should pour salt on the wound

to make them look like these

terrible evil people so

i just want to say as a foreign woman in china

um from personal experience i have been treated well

um i have you know many friends who are women chinese women

you know who love their country support their country some of them are in the communist party

um so i just i just wanted to make those statements

a thank you so much you

and that was really informative you know a lot of people need this perspective you know they need to know that

china is a very self critical cont

not like

they are doing their best

to improve

where there' is actually

grounds

to improve

know but there

they don't just have you know like rights just for its own sake they actually want to

address real problems

and have real solutions

yeah absolutely and i want to also say this a lot of foreign women will also say this

you know we feel a lot more safe here than we than we do back home

um you know you don't have to look over your shoulder you don't have to worry about being out at two or three a m

like it's a very safe country

and

you know

whenever something happens in china

the party is very quick to make amends i'll give you an example there was a couple situations with

the apddi which is like your uber

and m you know

there was

serious allegations and things that had happened

right after

those

the situations they immediately made amends with the app

where police can immediately and discreetly be called

a lot more safety features

so you know as a woman here

i feel a lot more safe

than i than i did back in the states

and i don't feel you know afraid to be around police because you know sometimes there's just police outside doing their thing

you know i definitely feel like i could go to authorities if anything happened

m and the case where you know i had my phone stolen and i called the cops and

you know they were very they were very good with me they cared a about everything i had to say they really were diligent and worked with me

and you know i felt like i was being listened to and heard

and

you know i just want to clear that up because i know i know that kid is like twenty years old i don't think he's really

learned a lot or anything like that but you know he should be very careful about

beauting

this proper

propaganda like

people who do this intentionally

are really hurting the you know the people here

and i talk a lot to the chinese people here about

you know how do they think

about the stuff that they hear in the news from the west and it's very hurtful

and i just want to make a comment because there's like a bunch of people uh waiting in the chat

who are like anti china and talking about sxin jiong

um yeah i just want to make a comment about that i actually have students from shinjong

and you know they live a very very good life there they love

their life and in chinjong they they do very well

i've been invited to go unfortunately because of the situation recently

you know i haven't been able to travel

so much

but i do plan on going there in the future

and you know i've

taught in a vocational school that's not in jong but in a vocational school because vocational schools do exist all throughout china

and they're just like normal typical chinese public schools

you know they're not anything crazy they're not concentration camps or anything like that so

i also want to make that statement publicly so these people could hear in the chat

um

because frankly i thought they were very rude to me and they didn't want to listen so

i just want to say that as well

how are they being rude specifically because

you know we've been very patient with them

and

i honestly think that the

that rudeness is just kind of

breakep the

the needle that breaks

camel's back so

what were they saying specifical

to

well they were all talking um over at once there's this one guy he sounds like he's from australia or something

and basically condemned me for supporting like the evil regime of china

and like that so i immediately left because they didn't even have to listen they didn't want to listen to what i said

so you know i really want to use this platform right now to take an opportunity to say what i want to say because they wouldn't let me speak

you know i'm so sorry for that and i'm going to put them in quarantine as punishment

maybe they'll come out

apologize

was standis also being rude to you

um

no i don't think anybody

i don't think anyone from your di

board but

um i just seen that there was a

theres a few people in there i didn't stay in there very long because

it was clear i didn't have a chance to speak or anyone want to listen to what i had to say so

oh was this in the show que or was this somewhere else

uh this was in the show queue like the liberals that are in there

yeah

like in my show q

yeah

yeah must haveen stanis too so he should be punished

well

well i don't know but i just wanted to use this opportunity to say what i want to say

to them there but

p

while i have you on here there's a comrade

that i met actually through one of your streams in the chat and

uh we would like to schedule time to come on and kind of like

talk more about china and give our perspective and everything here we've been here for quite some time so i we can arrange something like that

we'll figure out a time and i

just d m me some time and

and both of you guys a started group chat

and i

yeah

i'll see when we can

make some time

all right perfect thank you so much for your time today hahis i really appreciate it

thank you so much for coming

thank you have a good day bye bye

jby

ok now we're going to talk about ethio

gun

we're not going to have time to get into the news

but

because the fucking canada guy

was bothering i caughted them both science standis are both caught

maybe for a day

but guys bully them keep bullying them in the general

you know

for wasting my time we're going to talk about e feel

first things first

i want us to work through to understand the situation

here's my vague knowledge

before i bring on our ethiopian friend

so

let me get the right

time

are they

okay

so

the right timeline is

okay

so for a long time

you guys know the history of ethiopia there was a communist rule with the

to dirk

then

there were there was a civil war

the within which the main rival faction

the opposition was also a marxist in communist party and actually believe it or not guys

there was they were influenced not only were they maowis but they were hojas

so one of the only places in the world where hoj is were a real

and formidable force was in the ethiopian civil war one fact

they were reading hoja and

i think it was because there was factionalism with maoists and they wanted an alternative to both

the soviet

derg

and the maoists

long story short a lot of the opposition groups united and they formed the ruling party the e d r

d f

the ethiopian people's revolutionary democratic

and this party has ruled ethiopia

since nine hundred ninety one

and ethiopia has since then been

a type of developmental estate

very similar to china

the closest

state in africa to china's developmental estate

keep in mind

it's a marxist self declared marxist and revolutionary party

and it kept

that branding for a very very long time

now

starting in twenty fifteen i think

there were some protests

and

after this unrest

ab be

got to a guy named ahmed abi got to power

in twenty eighteen let mean see

trying to read a wikipedi ar

the sew re freshment

when did he get to power

in april

twenty eighteen

he was sworn in

and

the party the old party

which was the coalition of four major parties representing the four i think ethnic groups

of

ethiopia the major

i

he basically

liquidated that party

and

in june twenty eighteen

under abbe's government

they embarked on new privatization and liberalization of the economy

changing the state oriented developmentalis model

abbey was kind of

presenting himself globally as a type of liberal

the liberal democrats

and self proclaimed capitalist

they wanted to form curry favor with the west bas

he wanted to cur favor with

t that's what that

and then what year did he liquidate

the party

um

basically that party the main party was ruled by four main

okay november twenty ninethen

was ruled by four main groups

november twenty ninetheen

he

formed the prosperity part

ok so the marxist origins the revolutionary origins all that kind of stuff

bluly got

thank you so much dana bol

who's the animal

sorry

number six conservative on twitch

haugers

what's up dude

thank you for the raid men

december first twenty one thousand ok

a

he consolidated that into

the prosperity party

ah he's kind of centralizing he's trying to centralize ethiopia more

make it more cohesive under a new ethiopian identity

and all of this is surrounding this issue of the renaissance day

so in ethiopia

they want to damn the nile river

a which will

give them a new source of energy and all sorts of other stuff

and egypt has a problem with this because egypt

gets its water

and depends upon the nile river

so it's a point of national pride because it's in conflict with egypt

i

the ne but ok

when did ok november twenty twenty

an armed conflict began

led by the t p

le me read it

t p l

the te great people's liberation party a splint

it was one of the four major components of the

older ruling party that i consolidated into the prosperity party

and their woll stick was basically

that

aurbays

consolidation was illegitimate

i

and was not adequately representing him i think that was the case

so that's my rough knowledge of what's going on in ethio

but

as always that's a really

for

and

really poor type of knowledge and we're going to actually have on

actual ethiopian

to

educate us about what's going on in

so without further ado

i

what's up man

how should i introduce you

i should i say your name

uh you can just call me uh oh okay s no good noblese uh just call me uh you

uh i'm an ethiopian american i

uh i win there in european for a little bit then i moved to america but i'm really really invested in

uh you know what's going in on siopia you know that's my

homeland and all that first stuff so

uh i really do

uh keep a lot of research on that sort of stuff so yeah just

you too w

ya it's really cool to be here roam

for sure for sure man was up

so do you hear the kind of

really rough kind of try to just description you

okay so like it

are you ok with me like embellishing on that y

ok ok so like you were saying like the last i wed to put you off would it be ok if a really quick go make a prochein shake

okay go go ahead

uh cadeffie i'm just going to answer on stream

i just started getting into like insured be caause i was like watching watch i was never really a fan of

he like started abating interwards i was like oh shoot

no he was really h

more intelligent

helook

mister chman i've just been watching since

yeah you guys just want to ask questions thank

no f uh then iamer can i'm just

theffairs

uh it sounds like you're

underwater boer really

oh shure uh

why mike is kind of understob like if you saw it you yout understand i i don't know if i

i'll i'll speak uh quieter

uh are you an r flash anarchist uh no i wouldn't describe myself as an anarchists and just genuinlys

associate with marchism in general just

um kind of you know

embellishing my

knowledge on the whole issue because um you know like reading a lot more stuff instead of just like basic

dinks but ya that's it

h

but it's not a good b

uh you lived in oh sorry i was just ask answering questions that

friends gvern

yes i h just uh continue whenever

okay so ya like you were saying

there was yeah

there was a communist government

like ethiopia which it came like because of the unrest going on with the oil crisis and the famindlls going on because of the previous uh imperial regime uh during our imperial period

so with all of that many u militias said like you know this is our time to you know rebel and get what we wanted

does things like the t plf thats a greatliberation from actually want to start an independent nation

after guys those there

direct army that liberated the nation of eritrea that we see today they also sprung up and got their most power during that civil war so it was basically built off

that whole period of

unrest that we saw in the seventies and it was just going off since but the t p lef said ok we'll just collaborate with ethiopia and all the ethnic parties made the e p r d f which is that was the main party before it kind of got purged by ab ahammed

so ya that was a

situation and basically the war started because

both

you know uh camps i guess in ethiopian politics being the prosperity party

uh

ll be people

and the t p left both saw each other as illegitimate so that's just how the war started i guess that that's uh

howver would describing it but other than that yeah you did a really good job of describing the

uh political situation and

its orgins

so

what is what you think is the primary reason for the contradiction

ween

s great people specific

and the central government in ethio

uh i

really do think that's a good question because

it really

seems like a battle of

ethic survival for the tga people

because the t p a left only

represent six percent of ethiopa's population but for almost thirty years they held

almost complete power

because the e pdi of

was kind said they were equals but they really weren't it really was headed by the t p a le so

with this loss in obviously

you know political power over a hundred million people even though you're only six percent of that

losing that much political power created i guess

not power vacking but

a a huge uh

a moral panic i guess

for toqy politicians and

uh all the sort of stuff which was died

quite the direct cause of the war so that is how i would see it

and in ethiopia there has been a lot of growing resentment for too guy people because

uh the previous prime ministers had a lot of problematic tendicies they were still really good when it came to economics but

with domestic ethnic polic europe

kind of problematic with their somewhat heavy handed approach to things

so it grou and

like i i guess it built a deep resentment for to gude people because

the prime minister was the face of the

not just ethiopians but the tigrid people because i saw ethiopians inside ethiopia looked at it because

you know there was no ethiopian loyalty at that point it was just your ethnic loyalty like each

you know politician

obviously said there ethiopian but you know they had an ethnicity they were really backing

you know

so ya that's how i would describe it

i

in the case of the

why do you think the the t gray wielded so much

hour and

within the region in which they reside

is it that there is a

the occupis

techic region frethiopia or

think there's a

it's not even that i would say that redember the civil war the ti pielef

was the largest militia the largest army

that was fighting against the central government like the hoj uh the hojast like maoist uh army you were talking about that was the t p l f

so they had the most power in the cimple war so

you know since they were the ones that captured the capitol and all this sort of stuff they kind of had

ah the most political power

for the formation of the modern ethiopian nation state

so losing that sort of political power that you've felt for thirty years would you know cause an incredible you know amount of

uh canno

and i i would like to say before like you know

any stuff goes around i really am not biased with the ethnic stuff like i know you're not asking but

you know like if you know eopean politics they ask what your ethnic group is first before you know you can actually start saying stuff so i

i really am biased like of course i do share half uh to ry ancestry but i really don't really

youven claim at that point so i just want to go and you do trust me

i'm also well it's not the middle east but it's kind of close regionally

uhhuh

it's the same shit you know we're

my

family

completely get the whole

teran

h absolutely thank you ya

so ya that'll be

just really fress

yeah im

h sorry i was just

being distracted by the

i

so

the t so this is maybe be a little bit of harder question

it seems like you said the tegray led the rebellion against the dirt

yet is there a reason in particular why the t gret were more

disposed

to rebel

uh

i would say so because

in ethiopian history the tea gray have ha

had like a

pretty interesting position because

uh

until recently until a hundred years ago

the modern ethiopian nation l was only restricted in northern ethiopia and amhar andt gramant

and since they were

you know ad i said this they were kind of

to great people and i'm hard people are like french and italians you know they're still have like a common ancestry

ah

so

they

kinda could leverage political power from the amhara elite

but they were always told like you know you're not going to

a amount to the same you know political standing that ahar people enjoy

and

it it was like they represented

uh you know in the french revolution the the actual like bourgeoisie uh you know like the political the politically aware uh middle class

who knew like they could get power

my other than you know the peasants who knew like you know they they were too afraid of actually

uh getting power because of you know material reasons or religious reasons and all this sort of stuff

so that the tigret people represented the bourgeoisie in the sense that they could get power and they knew that but other people knew that

it was basically an apartheid state they really could not amount to anything politically or in ethopia i understand exactly what you're saying

that makes total sense to me aly

so it's because the te grains enjoyed a kind of a little bit of privilege

under the the

the imperial era

that they actually had the courage to rebel they

exactly so does

the foundations of revolution were already built

within the two guy people wle other people like uh orromo people

had none of that you you understand

yeah yeah makes total sense

oh wow okay so

i'm the more we talk the more i'm getting further into his

so sorry

but

alk i love educating about this because

i mean obviously you know this is coming from ethiopian but also in a geopolitical standpoint

in a stea of unrest

not just in the horn of africa but in the middle east itself ethiopia is the future i mean s enormous population rapidly industrializing nation i mean people really should

put their eyes on ethiopia so it's really good to

you know educate people on this

that's why i've been following it a little bit

you know i haven't been doing it a lot but i've seen the same thing you're seeing

i definitely

it's a very underlooked

absolutely right

one thing about ethiopia that people don't realize is it's never been colonized before

one of the most ancient civilizations

in terms of like

i state that still has the territories

of the civilization in the world one abslut

and

so

a but i'm going back a little bit

so in terms of um

their class

that nature

this is a little bit kind of marxist bullshit

but

in during the imperial era

let's say during the twentieth century just so we don't go back too far

wm

how what was the primary profession

team rate

what did they like

hold on sorry there's someone spending

oh ya yea

on mods

mads on twitch can you please

help me out guys

ok sorry

oh cool

o

with regard to

yet like were they craftsmen were they administrt oh ok

yeah

that's a good question because

ah

i know like in other nations there's uh many ethnic groups uh had a specific

set of jobs

but

the what the ethiopian polity the ethiopian nation

history showed is that

there was

in fact it was on the only nations especially during the imperial period that had

hereditary nobility which would represent most amhar people and also nobility that were created

purely based off merit

so we would see

people from very very oppressed ethnic groups even today

who would enjoy very very high positions and even intermarrig with the royal family

so

there was a lot more fluidity

when it came to

h

political position is based on ethnicity

but with

to guyans they would

usually enjoy uh more wealthier

uh lifestyle

which really gave you know a basis for the revolutionares who would see in the mid to late twentieth century with the t p left

no

other ethnic group uh you know would be

uh reading marks or

enjoying lots of other uh you know

a aspect of a petite bourgeoisie that the guyan people felt it would you wouldn't simply wouldn't see it so the to guyan people

obviously ethiopia was a more feudal nation so there were a lot of you know farmers and stuff like that but we would see you know

a bubbling i guess academia of tegran scholars and writers

which would uh

you know ferment an independence movement which we saw in the tipilef because that was the original intention of the tipile

yeah

uh the creation of independent uh igraand state

and we wouldn't see any of that

other than the ipilus

which was an aerra trie which obviously had their own

struggles and their own

uh your desires for independence at

stretched way before uh all of this so

ya that's yea that was a really good

oh

your question to ask about the situations

so

m

not it's really

suit

ethiopia probably the majority

of

ethiopian i guess you would call them peasants

they were

farmers right

yeah

and

tea grains

so would they be mostly like the

what would be considered lords

with like a

some type of sarch like i just sorry it's kind of sounds really a

i was going to be like

do they have serfce but it's just to

to say i just honestly don't know anything

oh ya no that's cool

ya so

you know

with and actually i meant to

say this for poor uh because of tiguy's unique

position as a very true

old region in ethiopia

so like you know the battle of odwah for example which you know was the one go

largest battles of african power against a colonialist power

was saying a gret

the the

city of oxhalm which i guess it's

a good way to compare it is the ethiopian version of rome they are basically contemporaries and very very significant i don't sound like you know some nationalist but really if you read the literature and you read the aacts the made

you really could understand where i'm coming from in the sense of

many to go and saw themselves as uh i guess inheritors of this

oxymit civilization so they felt a lot more uh

i guess connected to indep they felt like they deserved independence more than the mhar and hotshots that you know they looked at them as

cool p

weren't really of noble blood but they just you know seized it which they kind of did right

so

that's how they looked at themselves as as you know people who were

that still attached ethiopia in a far more unique sense than just a random ethnic group the felt like

if their needs were not met

as to grans they would rebel and they've done it before

uh the woyana rerabellion for example uh was in

the nine hundred forty so right after the liberation was a very large building

they captured the regional capital of uh tigai

and the only thing i stopped was the british who wanted to createy a strong eopan ally in the country

so

yeah so you know they weren't afraid to i guess strive for independence when i guess their needs as a collective were not being met and we saw that

in the nineteen forourties

now in twenty twenty one and in you know the one nine hundred seventy s and eighties

with the ethiopian civil war

i

so

going a little bit into the future

so it seems like

a lot of the media is reporting that covert had a lot to do with the reasons for the rebellion

do you think there would have been a rebellion

i

without the covert or do you think it's really

covert is the real ca

uh i

don't really believe kovied was like the crator or whatever the rebellion i

sincerely believe it was a catalyst for it though

because

the reason why our election in ethiop was supposed to havep been last year

but covert was the reason why they said no we're not going to do the national election but the state of tag i like i

already told you had a very deep sense of nationalism

within the country of ethiopia like texan s bace

thank

so

they said

well you're not going to do an election but we're already going to do our regional election so they did do their regional election which

came at blows with the central government in this

by the way this was like in november

not like october november in twenty twenty so this is like

practically days before the rebellion and the whole war

so it

if there was no covet i really do believe that the war still would have happened

just later simply because

a population

that only represents six percent of one hundred million people

losing

basically hagemony which they had for thirty years

and they always have strived for it

if what if it wasn't for an independent state losing that sort of political power does you know give a deep blow

uh to any you know i guess ethnic group uh if you work at that

it's really interesting because

m

abas years from

i'm sorry if i get this wrong orromo

aroma

ya he's from orramya he ya he is from the orramo athnic group

and

they have historically been

like

below te grain

absolutely it was

very very uh

meo

how their conduct how they were treated

it you know really is a shameful stain ethiochemistry i mean

my own father you know grew up he's a bmo but

you know speaking their language the romanian language

people or more people were afraid of speaking i mean it

like and this was after

the apartheid state of the empire and all the tourist that happened

the i guess the impact of an normal prime minister now is huge

because i mean like i told you

before like you know the normal people were

very mistreated as long as other

at like other southern peoples

so i mean

this was really big

for

i'm not like trying to say like

oh they have a prime minister so they should be happy it's like saying you know black people in america should be happy because of all that happened

but having a prime minister like that is huge

but you know yah basically

duty grand s

a abe's actions as a re return of amharak

premacy

or is it something else

that's u

you know that's a that's a good question because you know my knowledge and the you know collective consciousness

the grains i guess it's a little bit limited but if you really do look at the historical perspective

of

uh you know to guys

losing more and more autonomy which they did

uh i w i would say yeah because like i don't know if you knew this but

the ethiopian government

right now and

uh ever since them you know like

a democracy was established

it was really unique in the sense of it was an ethnic republic in the sense of each ethnic group

uh its own state

it's o legislature it's o party and they would you know group up into the you know big coalition e p

but

that sort of autonomy given to ethnic groups is hu like there's probably no other country that's given so much faith into ethnic groups like ethiopia i mean obviously like it probably is but like i i just want to you know make that point so

with that being said

once you know that much rights have been given to a people because

the people that started these reforms of ethnic democracy were the two grains sos and the t p lef

right so

the democracy that we see in ethiopia right now is representative of the tg yarn

for autonomy and

stable

nationhood

so when with that and it's a unique feeling like i was telling youfore

so with that being said that sort of legislature being subjected to all ethiopians

was not really a disaster

but it was a big big shock to many many ethiopians

interesting

and

now as far as the tide of the wars

going

would

would you put

cross

s gray of vic

oh h it's it's a old room it's

every bullet that the tpillar shoots it can't be replaced you know

because they only own like thirty percent of tigar at this point

so

the problem is at this point isn't actual fighting it's the fallout

you know

and it has been a disaster and we're seeing multiple massacres

in numbers over hundreds you know like it is

absolute disaster how they're dealing with this and this isn't like some

you know stories being given on like some obscure site and this is the u n you know complaining this is america complaining about

you know what is going on

so

the war itself is over but i don't think the to great people will ever trust the ethiopian photographment

for the next century basically

just like how ethiopians will never trust uh marxism because

of the of the fall out of the vision of the of the derck

you know

wow yeah

yeah it's interesting that the

but the we the former ruling party was marxist

uh ethiopia like uh like the t p l for the e p r d f ya e pd

sorry

it's how good

uh

marxists in the sense of i actually don't know their official standpoint because it

like if you saw how they conducted themselves it was incredibly ambiguous

alright

you know we would see privatization on some levels we see nationalizations and industries that youill never even think of being nationalized

i was thinking they were kind of like china you know when it came to that they were like china i you know we were talking earlier

at three a m or whatever hour conversation and i saw your little uh introduction here it really is the closest nation to china in the sense of the developmentalist uh

you know arc

in the sense of the derreck was basically the more radical form of the cultural revolution

and the e p r d f is simply the dangist response that that that's how i would look at it if you understand

but i hope i'm not getting that wrong comparison

so ya

and

a i think you mentioned before h

in the future bringing on more

ethiopians to talk about this

this

ya ya uh ya i was giing that we have a couple ethiopians here and shout o all of them

and uh you know ya it would be really cood just you know talking withot them

what about all this uh sort of stuff

uh ya i hope i'm not being born go whatever but ya i'm not really good at these

uh type serve

interviews

but ya there is a you know growing ethiopian uh community

of march systems that sort of stuff

in fact i i i think there's someone here in the server or someone met that's like full on like derek bil like they support everything that like yougust did all that sort of stuff

honestly it's you're not boring whatsoever

the only limit

is

that i

didn't prepare a question

oh yah that talks yeah but we can continue if you want i just

no i mean like

if

you know i can continue like right nowor what i mean but if you

if you do want to like uh

i guess reopen this conversation with more questions as we see the tegran war uh you know change a lot more especially with the whole sudanese and egyptian thing

col we can discuss uh right now but

next time if you want to reopen this conversation uh

like not this to you but like be more refined with the questions and allsers off

i'm totally down to reopen that

it's just that if it's in a couple weeks just contact me on the weekends and borrow like

you know umahak on

yeah honestly because the topic

is so complicated

and

it's like

ethiopia to me is like on another level in terms of

understand

just

how there's it's this united civilization but with so many

small particularities

you know what i mean

yeah yeah exactly there's

of really deep history in every corner

of ethiopia and unfortunately w we see that these deep histories conflict with each other a lot

uh you know there's you know when you unite all these people together

uh and you don't do properly

uh you create a situation where you know

people were like saying oh a hundred years you guys did this to us

two hundred years agoe di that to us and s that which is toally valid to reopen these storts of conversations but when it

becomes a sort of thing where it's like

india right after independence where all the muslims and hindus lived together

and they were you know like ge hating on everybody because

you know

hindus would burn a mosque and then their pretense was that it was a you know temple like five hundred years ago

and muslims w do the same thing also stuff and it becomes borderline you know genocide or the religiust equivalent it really does become scary and unfortunately that is kind of what we're seeing

uh now in ethiopia i mean genocide watch or whatever i don't know the proper term

uh you know put ethiopia on the scale of extermination which is the highest uh you know obviously

so we are seeing

uh not the dissolution of the ethiopian i guess state but we are seeing a point where

h we're kind of testing the foundations that the e p r d f and abi ahmmed are building you got you get awn chance to say just like how i don't know if i'm ca cause i'm not really too well versed in thankus in of chinese history

but it's kind of like how like the

late eighties or like nineties or whatever of the whole you know unrest that was going on student protests and stuff like that

that's kind of aistic

i'm sorry

like the t nm

yea ya ianman and all the ya all that's what wecet that's what we're seeing in ethiopia

which really does you know

because you know i don't know if this is uh very accurate but china could have doene like

okay we're going to listen to any budget demands we're goinga you know ust solve our you know proletariet system and we're going to go to like liberal democrisy or whatever right

it's like i mean it's

yeah exactly this is

no i like i was talking about it before it was a monkey wrench to the ethiopian uh system it really actually isn't i kind of you know rechanged my position on that this is more of a like you were saying

to test to the foundations of eopa and if there are strong

enough to you know

hold these h

these hurricanes of political storms then

we will see

meth superpower you get on tannessee but

if these you know foundations

break

we will you know see a humanitarian disaster

that's only comparable to a nation of one hundred plus one hundred million plus peop

you get on tenessee yeh so that's

what we have to you know look at because

the syoke is kind of holding it down in the are its and when it comes to stability when it's surrounded by

you know the sudans cha somalia yemen and all that sort of stuff like

because you know

it if youo is in a very unique position you get i'm saying

yeah it seems like a powder keg you know like

yeah it's a balkans right now i mean people have been talking about how it's the you know the yugoslavi of africa

and the really isn't some you know pounts

ah in the sense of a huge ethnic confederation sometimes ethnicities that never had anything to do with each other

unti a hundred years ago i eo soav you would had

very strong cultural and nationalist ties right

so i mean the odts are even more against ethiopia right

but

you know you go sar it as havits unrest

and in survive

and ethiopia i hope it can do the same thing it's just i'm not even too worried about the war any more

uh in the you know north and tik i'm more worried about the whole egyptian uh and ethiopian issue

yes i look

that is going to be a

decisive elements and how

you know maybe

that will unite the whole ethiopian

b

not not

i don't know if nations a good word

you what i'm saying

ya ya uh you know my friend uh

calls ethiopia and i kind of do agree a nation of nations yeah and the e p r d f really did strengthen that with the ethnic federalism that's the

or corporate tm

the federalist state that ethiopia that the p rd s implemented upon ethiopia that is what we're seeing a nation upon nations

and it can work in my opinion you've seen it workn work you know

the reason i'm so interested in ethiopia is because it's

it's giving us a better idea of

what

of basically this question of the national question

what our nation

you know like

how does the central state

relate

to

the particular groups that come

comprises

because the ir of mono ethnic

nation states is over

now we're seeing

a new era of multi ethnic and multinational

forms of state

so

ethiopia

has relevance for america

it's just not direct relevance but

it will teach us about the nature of

the nation

absolutely that that's a perfect way to you know describe what's going on

because like you know you said ethiopia truly is a twenty first century nation

in the sense of

what nations not

couldn't be because i was in the twentieth century but what nations are at this point you know we are seeing

you know what nations like you know sors really ight the point but what nations

and what you said as well what nations are

and how they do you know

come how do they you know relate

to the peoples that comprise said nation

you know and

ethiopia is sorry it's ok ethiopia is you know giving you know me a lot of hope

ons like the whole dam gets online and all that sort of stuff

it does it give me hope

but uh yeah some parts kind of makes me scared

you know there's a word that i like a lot and it's called

ar kaalo modernism

the basic idea is that

as we

as we go into the

as we discover more things about

past

took for granted

in this case for example

the way the asian passed

was discovered

twenty

now we have this china

oh

a

the more further into the past as far as from the point of view of

the european modernity the more we exhume the past

the more we discover the raw material of

huge

so china rediscovered its old past

and it's the most futuristic society

you know

absolutely and i think it's going to be the same for countries like ethiopia who

who have not been discovered in the modern world

you know what i mean

by that

like

the meaning of its unique

reality

for the fuwure

for the modern world has not been properly

brought out

it hasn't had its

day

but i think now is the time where that is

it is happy

ww yeah to respond to that point i mean that's a perfect

uh i guess way to describe what's happening in ethiopia it really is i mean these are the the the happenings in a nation where

it truly does have an awakening of what it is you get what i'm trying to say and things like

the i guess the damn government and see the now damn

it was built one hundred percent of ethiopian be ethiopian dollars i mean these are the sorts of things that

you know can describe ethiopia a nation that is uniteded

for the greater good right and people raise tax tho st to bd the dam which is for the greater good

right

and that is i guess a little bit of a stretch if

if you know i'm standard

and really does you know translate to ethiopia ethiopia what it should be a united nation ready for all its adversary all her adversaries and all her allies

you know

especially with this damn issue with the whole egypt thing if ethiopia comes out on top of ethiopia just comes out on one piece in this

this is a huge you know point in ethiopian history

right and the dam going online and giving electricity of course that's a material benefit also what the dam represents in the sense of ethiopia coming out

over all nations

and you know taking its place as a nation

central to the east african horn of african identity

throughout history which have seeen

that will be the saving grace in the pify

for a powerful ethiopia it will i mean

you have to notice that the things that are changing history are always where things are being underlooked

and everyone's looking at

people have been looking at the middle east for a long time syria and you know

but

and yemen and

but people are looking at ethiopia and i think ethiopia

a

people are sleeping on it

but

it's going to

it's going to rock

the middle east

the whole

horn of africa north africa the middle east it's going to

uh it's going to be a

the word

i can't find the word it's like a

it's going to be an unexpected thing

can't find the word for

then

oh yeah yeah

i uh yeah i completely agree i mean a non oil based

uh power in the you know the middle east horn of africa

is huge and we've yet to see that you gotn tim say because all of the seen as oil dominated

uh you know gulf and arab monarchies

which are not permanent but a powerful

economy

that functions in ethiopia that

is permanent you know

and these are the sorts of struggles that nations face to discover itself in the sense of america going through it civil war

or china after the shanhai revolution or even jaman square

you know german nationalism and how it formulated the you know the united german state

all of these sorts of things youit not unitely rediscovers a nation rather than just

ethiopia being a geographic location for many many people ethiopia truly

deserves the title of the nation

which that's what we're seeing now the struggles that you know any country faces to truly become

uh you know

not just the you know

a powerful polity butan an actual nation especially in

the marxist and just the regular

definitely

yeah i mean it's a

very old

civilization

and

it

we'll have

consequce

s

for this modern

people think

they don't recognize it now but

just think about the example of china

people were sleeping on china for a very long time

now

look at how it's changed the world

so

yeah i mean can sy something oh sor

sure

no go ahead

uh you know

ethiopia and just african general right i had like you know like a higher g d p or just like a higher h d ian china

but like in the sixties or seventies right

and then the eighties china completely you know skyrocketed all these nations and the answer isn't you know culture or race or whatever or

or

economic ideology not even that

it's the

perfect definition of a country

discovering itself

in a country who not just a country but a people who have discovered themselves as members of the nation striving for the goal of a better one

africa simply has not seen that

but we are seeing it in places like east africa like kenya tanzania

ganna right east

you know sometimes even south africa these countries are discovering it themselves and obviously north africa has that its whole thing

ya but

obviously ethiopia hasn't be colized but it is still you know a byproduct it's it won bealism

it still has to deal with

with

call majoorny

has to

exactly

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so

once again

but someone asked me a

question and chap

can answer ok on affairs brown any book or conditions that's a really good question so i would recommend

uh i guess

analyses of ethiopian history

uh the e ciopeans by h oh okay housing gunts housmch can usss also

questionnaire thing uh the ethiopians by virtue of pankurst is

i don't know

could i find it on on lip jen or whatever

uh and it's a really good book in

the analysis of how ethiopia was formed which is really really important and

in you know not just defining any nation but defining ethiopia itself

thank

and that's just general ethiopian history from you know prehistory to all the way to whenever he stopped uh wriding a which point

beginnings of the commass period

but from empire to people's republic which is a really in depth view of ethiopia from when the late imperial period

of highes solicies rg to the complete communist and civil war period that's a really good in depth look at ethiopia in the sense of how it's reacting to these changes

uh well reacting to the changes of the past

it's a really good way to for your own self to

you know

analyze

uh

you know the ethiopean

ah

nation

uh they see ethiopa rising ih down

i mean caro like if you want to talk about it discord like we can i'm not those types of you know like hyper nationalists who wh like cry or whatever when you wt talk about nations like that but just yeah um

that's quite a few moant

ah

audistic gres

yeah

so ya

i

that's amount yeah you're completely right and it does uh tied to what house was saying in the sense of

africa hasn't had a national rediscovery like uh other

nations had a problem like you know franc

uh germany and all that sort of stuff

uh me on this court

uh i'm echu one k on thisce

uh i'll just if you give me your name i'll just tag you want this cord and you can like friend me or whatever and we can talk about that

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uh how popular is a littals people's party i don't know if you're augesting that to me uh but

it's not that popular abe ahmed has extreme popularity in ethiopia compared to other candidates like he's gonn to win the election rigged or not in my opinion

o

sorry husband

ans question but what do you think of lgus two that's

he had a lot of problematic tendencies in the sense of his response to a

sa rebellion and civil war and all that sort of stuff

but

if these civil wars and rebellision happened i think he would have been a net good for ethiopia because how he conducted land reform was very very popular and very proper in the sense of how it would help the ethiopian farmer

ah

in fact the communist slogan the students movement slogan uh in ethiopia was uh married leh

the married to the tiller it was basically land to the tiller that was the that was the slogan so it was very voted on these agrarian policies

that were not given to them because of

omhara uh imperialism and omhara uh

you know stranglehold on ethiopian land so that's how you do it

i

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uhuh

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coming from an international

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think right secondal

i don't like secondar because i want to make my own guy you can't make your own guy in that game

otherwise that buy

but i didn't buy it just because of that i'm that petty

and i don't like games where i can't make my own guy when it's like an r p g

if i'm playing an r p g

open world game

i just want to make my own fucking guy

you know

yes seconds no role play potential

that's my main problem with it you know

do d s three works

can you guys fulkm believe it works

ow

it's

dude i can't believe this shit is working

i don't even need a new p c if this shit were

i con just chill you know i can like wait till they're back in stock i don't have to like worry any

actually i do need a new piece i need new ram is what i need i'm going to get ram because ram is the only reason i can't run a bunch of shit at once

and i found out i can upgrade my computers ram to sixty four gigs

so i'm going to get sixteen more ram

and then the

going to do this

you guys like thought i would run into this and be a newe and that's why you thought it would be really funny fails

but guess what guys i played bloodborne so i know what i'm doing

ok

i know what i'm doing

sorry but

oh

sorry b

excuse me

sorry but

oh

ok that was cheap that was a tho was cheating

he's focken cheating

sorry bits

this is the easy part right

beuuse you just go behind him

now i'm fuck because i'm at a distance

but you got to close that distance and go behind

i don't hoant to do this sh guys

oh

no

come ok give me a chance you really so close to bok this game buk this fucking game this is fucking bullshit

this is focking bullshit

literal cheating

literald cheating

go back to this again

get the

falk out of my way

pits

oh you want to shoot me

go ahead shoot

or reload you crossbod

seal there were

give me my souls back bits

hey champion gun deer

beach

cooking het

champion

sip

the baby beach the baby beach

debate me

book you

how

for

debaate me beach exactly us too scared

too scared

push

pu

o s

right

fought this game

how do i beat him guys rely it's

how ok how how do i beat

go ahead teach me chack

i need to know

it's my last test this

hey man can you chi

ros a prank

it was a pray brok please

was a pray gro was a pray

i'm sorry

sit

rosa bray i'm sorry

come on

thank

exactly

this is how we do it

this is how we do with

this is how we win

this is how we win debate we

we just defeated zander

a

broken straight sword

thanks for nothing

i know how to fucking open the menu

like nice tutorial do

this is how we do it

you get the hollow

p to poot

excuse me

you

there's a guy with a gatana that i

chill right

oh i got a number

but i'm already emberyed up right

oh no i'm

yeah i look normal

avoid the qatana guy before leoveling

look i have three thousand dollars

fireling shrine

should i kill her

should i level up

i'm going to be a dex guy this is going to be a dex bill

should i leove lup

should i ive w everything up or should i keep and i

should i preserve

what dore you i'm going to let you guys decide

level of vigor

dude vigor levels up a ton

go for vigor

yeah

it's all in vigor

farewell

oh

bait

i don't need none of

bullshit

for

s

change title in category

change category

i just changed the category

is it is it obliged to change the category can like am i allowed to play this in just chatting

because like we get more viewers

in just chatting this play

i'm going to grab my sandwich and eat it it's going to take two seconds

one

it's so ashion that i'm ashing

ashion one

i am passion

i shan one i shon one

get out of my way

wait

isn't this sword indonesian

it looks like a philippine

or indonesian sword

it sort looks indonesians fox

i've seen indonesian swords

they're not as curbd

i'm posing for you guys while i eat

so you guys can be entertained

what is wrong

what's wrong is

where the bok am i

this one

w

what's wrong

whath's wrong is the fact

that you're totally

g home