Infrared goes to the Hippy Dippy Podcast Debate Panel

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because brondo has what plants crave it

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okay dylan and hazard here okay cool so

we're just waiting on maddie

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jump out

if everyone has a wonderful evening i'm

going to

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i got it you're just a [ __ ] stirrer

so make sure you go wash your hands

after this because you have your hands

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dirty dirty boy

listen all right i love each and every

one of you and just have a good show

we just met you already loving me oh

yeah one of my favorites already

the drawing on stream thing yeah

just tickles me the right way um

well i need to get for those of us that

have been around a while we're already

used to waiting on a woman

wow i knew that was coming i knew it i

was waiting

it's true i mean there's truth my wife's

sitting in the same room

laughing right now because she knows

it's [ __ ] true right you might want

to fight with her

absolutely not i don't

got my snacks all right

all right i'm gonna jump out have a good

night everyone and i'll make sure maddie

joins in a sec right

all right have fun peace shall we wait

for hat for maddie dan

i mean you might as well start opening

ninjas and everything manny will jump in

okay i have a good one

how's it going has by the way is it has

or has

okay nice to meet you

okay okay cool um well i guess we'll get

started

let me get mine real quick

all right uh welcome everybody uh

another edition

of the hippie to be super sunday it's

july 18

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say happy birthday to vin diesel uh i am

your host

and moderator binks uh i'm sure we've

got a lot of the

new viewers today so we've got some

great panelists you're probably thinking

hey who's bink's you

nobody i'm literally nobody i'm friends

with dan [ __ ] the booker and he gave me a

show

i don't understand it but here we are uh

but that said

i'm super excited about this panel i

think where i think it's going to be a

lot of fun

uh real quick i'm going to do a little

bit of housekeeping and then we'll

introduce our panelists

and get started on the first topic um so

this show

is one of three weekly hippy dippy shows

there's the hippy dippy round table you

probably know that hosted by mr dylan

burns on fridays

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which we revived this week actually it

debuted a few hours ago

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uh if you watched the hippie dippy

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that

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fine uh we'll go one by one

uh so everybody just kind of shout

yourselves out give a brief

intro of uh you know who you are what

you scream if you like

long walks on the beach so that kind of

stuff um

let's start with aircraft sparky

uh yes so i am aircraft sparky i

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some would say i'm an isolationist not

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really close to i'm not gonna lie to you

i also do arts

i do a lot of drawing on streams i come

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aircraft spartan sounds good appreciate

it

um that's right let's start to uh we had

two fill-ins today actually two people

dropped out today and we had two

villains and i'm i'm really excited

about the fill-ins to be honest with you

so um

we'll go to uh redneck uh how's it going

redneck

uh you don't need to don't need to

follow me i don't care

don't uh i stream what i want i come

here to piss off dylan

and the left i think you guys are all

full of [ __ ] i think you're the most

racist pieces of [ __ ]

and uh yeah i'm here to prove it i've

been calling out you lefty since the

wuhan leak happened last year

i told you it was a leak i told you it

was man-made you called me conspiracy

theorist a lunatic

you've created this show now sit in it

all right i don't know if anyone else is

going to beat that intro but we'll we'll

see

um let's throw it to uh

uh let's see uh ctv

the the man who i would say uh un

probably stole got was stolen for the

the title the friday title of the hippy

dippy rumble

this was the spiritual winner maybe not

the physical winner but

uh the man the myth ctv how are you

i'm doing well nice to be here banks

thanks for coming um let's throw it over

to um obviously uh the the the vince

mcmahon some say he's the vince mcmahon

of twitch politics i just think he's a

very

fierce advocate of rain choice voting uh

dylan burns

unironically the day after um that whole

thing happened

there was an article that was published

it was like ranked choice voting could

be coming to maryland

and no event in my life has ever made me

a bigger advocate against ranked choice

voting

than uh the hippy dippy uh rumble event

uh but we're very proud with how that

went i mean that was like one of the

most

like that was the most viewed uh show we

ever put together i'm very happy with it

but uh i'm i'm dillian um dylan burns a

lot of people know me because i ship

arms for the albanian national army

i'm also known because i take checks

from the

ccp to advocate for

their interests obviously redneck would

attest to this

and i'm just here to have a decent time

so yeah that's it

thank you very much um next we'll go i'm

very excited about this one we've never

had him on the show before uh has from

infrared i just want to say i watched a

stream of his last night where he

systematically

destroys the the the structure of

empiricism okay

this is a it's one to watch for sure how

are you doing

uh i'm doing great glad to be here i'm

haz from the infrared show we're a

platform for

marxism leninism in the age of

multi-polarity in the post-covered world

thank you very much um let's go over to

uh the the undefeated debater him i

don't know if he still last time i

talked to him he said he was undefeated

uh cut sleeve

how's it going yo what's up uh my name

is cutsley

uh i guess i'd identify myself as

anti-establishment

um although the biggest thing i want

from politics isn't

for one side to win um the biggest thing

i want from politics

is more less like more opens

um less discreteness um that's probably

going to be my biggest push

on this platform right now that's it for

me

sounds good thank you very much um we'll

throw it to

uh i would call her the bob dylan of

twitch politics because she does

literally every panel every day and just

never stops

uh maddie kicks how are you

great thank you bob dylan of twitch

politics

what a um what a compliment yeah i'm

really happy to be here

and um especially because i get to see

so many of my fun friends

including who i thought won easily

on friday um critically thanking veteran

i was rooting for you buddy my birthday

buddy

we're birthday buddies oh that's cool

all right uh thank you uh finally uh

we'll throw it to you know uh

this is very this is very

american-centric we need we need a

little

little french flavor to it you know most

most notorious frenchmen

of all time joan of arc charles de

gaulle

edith piaf mr geek who's on this panel

how are you doing mr geek

doing good hi mr geek i did video for

dinner burns tv i relevant and

everything don't watch me i literally

leave my stream on when i go to sleep

i might want to bring your mic a little

bit closer to your face geek just saying

a little bit a little bit yeah i

wouldn't lean in though because this

very relaxed

look is a total vibe yeah

it's working for you

why did you get you know arms should be

better now

yeah there we go are you wearing a front

are you wearing french flag glasses

oh i love it it's beautiful okay

well i'll just uh go over the rules real

quick then we'll get into the first

topic

um so we're going to start with opening

statements for each topic so each

panelist can kind of give a brief

summary of their position what they

think about it then we'll head

into a general discussion which will

probably last about uh 45

minutes there are two kind of big

political topics and the second one is

kind of uh

it's it's sort of a bonus topic and

shouldn't last too long but we'll see

um if you cannot speak do you do over

talking or something like that raise

your hand i'll try to remember you and

write you down

uh and then kind of pick you when an

opportunity presents itself

um you know this should go without

saying no t tos be nice

try to be nice uh you know let's try to

keep it constructive if

if i can move it if it's possible for me

to move it to something place a little

more constructive if it's not going that

way i'll try

a lot of big personalities tonight so i

don't know how well that's going to go

but we'll try

um and okay but yeah and with all that

out of the way

uh we're going to start with the first

topic like i said three minute opening

statement

uh voter fraud um we're going to keep

this kind of general uh because i

i'm interested to see what everyone kind

of has thoughts uh thoughts on an art

and

we'll see where we want to go with it so

is it real is it a problem what should

we be doing should we be doing anything

um yeah and we'll start with uh let's

start with um

aircraft sparky well thank you so much

look um

voter fraud it's a thing it always

happens every year does it happen to

enough to sway an election

it really depends on what type of

election you're talking about usually

with local

yes it definitely does happen to sway

the elections we see

uh several times across the country

where

elections can be come down to 10 to 13

different votes

on the national level course it's not

usually that tight

however we have seen in the past

election

that there has been several cases of

voter fraud this is why we need to push

more towards voter id

ways to actually identify the voter

individually because as it stands right

now

in several states they have to just take

someone's word on it they don't even do

signature verification as we see what's

going on in the audits in

in like arizona and georgia there has

been

several accusations although not proven

fully

of voter fraud it raises a lot of

questions and if people

cannot trust the the system of selecting

our leaders

it is going to do nothing but divide

this country even more

and um this whole idea of voter voter id

being racist

you literally have to have an id for

almost everything in america today

if you want to fly on a plane if you

want to get a job

if you want to drive and i know all

those things aren't rights

i get that but

if you have to do anything in society

with some type of officiality you need

an id to include purchasing a gun which

is a right

and as far as i'm concerned background

checks are pretty much unconstitutional

but they do require in order to purchase

this nice little tool

an id so does voter fraud happen i do

believe so

we'll get into minutia of it um the

extent well that's that's definitely

debatable

thank you very much uh let's go to

maddie

hey so voter id laws um

i know this has been a big issue

not only voter id laws but just voter

fraud in general so if we look

historically

at what has um resulted in voter fraud

so the actual instances where voter

fraud has been uncovered

those instances are primarily people who

try to vote twice

um this whole notion that there

are people voting um without ids because

somehow they are

different than the person they claim to

be or

there's some mass conspiracy where all

these like fraudulent votes are being

cast

is simply untrue thank you please that

is echoed by the court system who has

rejected

every single con contested

vote or allegations of fraud in this

fight last election

and i believe that tally is now above 80

different cases um that have been thrown

out and this includes ones that have

been so-called audited

by so-called um neutral parties or you

know nonpartisan whatever

so i think it's largely scare tactics um

the one reason that i personally and

a lot of people on the left are opposed

to requiring

a government id for voting is because it

is cost prohibitive for a lot of people

in this country um so when

we put barriers to voting like a voter

id

where people are then required to spend

money in order to purchase an id

um that that is something that prevents

them potentially from voting

um if we had a way to make government

ids

free where everyone was issued one

regardless of whether or not they could

pay for it

that would be a different story because

then we would be eliminating that

barrier to voting

but until we do that until we address

the barriers that prevent people from

participating in democracy

including not being able to afford it um

it simply won't lead to a more equitable

system

so yeah i think largely the allegations

of voter fraud

are fear-mongering um and the

requirements for

an id to cast your vote is um

you know it kind of disproportionately

dissuades

people from poorer communities and more

marginalized communities from voting

thank you very much uh let's go with cut

sleeve next

yeah um i i thought this was

about you know voter fraud not you know

voter id

but i mean if we can steer that

conversation if we want to

i actually think the georgia voter id is

probably a good rule

uh and it mitigates the past racial

issues that voter id

has had um we've all know and it's just

undoubtedly a fact that

voter id has a racist history so does

bussing

so does schooling that doesn't mean

every single instance of voter id

is racist now on to the main question of

the day

do i think election fraud happened well

it's unprovable

i mean it's it's undoubtable that

electoral thought did happen

i'm not sure if it swayed to one side or

another and i'm not sure if it was very

impactful at all

i think the much more bigger question

was

uh was the election stolen before the

election even happened

and i do believe that uh the media

influence

or the establishment influence kind of

swayed at the election

much much before any voting ever even

been counted

i think you know the media's influence i

think

corporations influence definitely swayed

the election

so it could lean to their candidate side

um and we can discuss that later on iu

sounds good uh i'm gonna throw it to has

uh basically my view on this issue of uh

voter fraud i don't know if there's a

widespread voter fraud in america i

haven't been convinced of anything

i'm sure it happened in the past

somewhere along

america's history but basically i think

this issue is a complete distraction

and is a complete basically waste of

time

so it seems like there's many issues in

america

which are just meant to signal partisan

affiliations

and uh signal different kind of uh

tribalistic loyalties to which party in

which

political sector um

the fact of the matter is there is a

fundamental division

in america certain places geographically

demographically vote

for different candidates it's not an

evenly

distributed voter base in terms of

partisan affiliation across geographic

and demographic lines and i think

more attention should be paid to this

division

rather than nothing burger issues such

as uh

voter fraud and voter id

thank you um let's go to redneck

so you have someone on the left that

adamantly states that there's no such

thing no such thing as voter fraud

because

hey 80 cases of our courts have said

there's no voter fraud yet that's how

them [ __ ] get put in office

i actually kind of agree with the linus

marxist in the sense that

this is [ __ ] let's get past the

right and left let's actually look at

what's happened this past election

this past election was censorship of a

sitting president his first amendment

but then

oh he was saying hateful [ __ ] he was

saying all these other things so you

know that didn't happen

he doesn't have a right to express

himself because that's hate speech

i bet that marxist leninist guy he can

say that there's no such thing as

corruption either because of his

form of government you don't have a say

you're just another puppet

that's what's happening in america let

me make my case first don't speak for me

let me make it

okay all right did i interrupt you but

you're talking about me

yeah well so i'm gonna start talking

about you in a minute

all right guys i know i'm handsome you

don't have to i know i'm unavoidable i'm

such a distraction you can't focus on

your own [ __ ] yeah i got you now shut

your mouth

you gotta only talk about me

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i'm just not going to listen to you i'm

just going to talk to you right don't

listen

take control don't listen to me then all

right

great start all right brenda can you

please finish your uh

statement okay so as i said the left is

all happy and kitty because they want

that's that's the that's the pitch we've

had for a year and a half we've listened

to this

[ __ ] we have point-blank true

[ __ ] that happened in the court systems

coveted all that [ __ ] come on

two topics that intertwined and made our

government say

[ __ ] you voters we're going to do what

we want to do matty's just laughed

because oh it's our side dylan's live

because oh it's just our side we're

happy

but guess what one day that's not going

to be you it's going to be the other

side that you're going to be looking

going

where my [ __ ] hurts because they took

my vote keep talking y'all

this is not about right or left this is

actually about government they don't

care about us they've proven it this

election

they did what they wanted to do fraud

happened it has been proven it's in

factual evidence

and you [ __ ] could keep saying we won

when all you're doing is sucking the big

corporate [ __ ]

and taking it like men go ahead have at

it

thank you redneck um we'll go we'll go

to dylan looks like dylan

wants to respond first i'd say that the

[ __ ] i suck are not corporate

just want to make that call they

definitely are they're not they're just

normal [ __ ]

um secondary secondly um i just want to

say that

recently uh the big arizona like audit

is like finishing up it's finally like

happening and there was all these

statements from all these different

public officials trump and others

that this was gonna be the real like you

know this was it that this was like the

the big thing this was gonna finally

blow it up because there hasn't been any

real examples of widespread voter fraud

and we finally have the review done and

the error

county election officials have

identified fewer than 200 cases of

potential

not actual potential voter fraud out of

more than

3 million ballots um

this really is a a an issue just to beat

your chest on

this is an issue that i think

right-wingers say to other right-wingers

to like like hype themselves up on but

there isn't

much voter fraud to actually look at

here

in this past election it was not

widespread trump's own officials

admitted

publicly that it was not widespread

those officials then got fired by trump

for admitting that publicly it's there's

no widespread vote that could have

fraud that could have impacted the last

election there's no evidence

that it's going to be a major problem

going forward

and when it comes to the history of

voter id laws

we can just go into a time where we were

all still alive

in north carolina where they tried to

pass voter id laws

and they were ruled unconstitutional

because they were specifically choosing

voter ids

that are used majority by the black

community and while they never mentioned

in the law we don't want black people to

vote what they did is they laser focused

on ids

used in the black community and that's

why i was ruled unconstitutional

while that isn't the same with all voter

id laws voter rd laws

basically in effect adds another barrier

between people and voting

and if i haven't been presented any

evidence that voter id

i mean like that voter fraud is a

serious issue why would i want to put

more barriers between people

and voting no matter how minuscule

definitely when voting is such an

integral part of this nation's uh

democracy how what however flawed it is

so you would have to actually make a

serious case to me that it's a

legitimate issue

if you're going to be asking to spend

government money on a problem

or waste any of our time on a problem

this feels more like a way

to kind of virtue signal um and just

kind of

really just honestly just target the

vote

that's really what it feels like that's

it for me

thank you uh we'll throw it to you mr

gate

uh yeah so yeah uh

shaka i agree with dylan the

what's happening right now in arizona

the audit led by

cyber ninja is literally nothing the

level uh

to which they are is literally looking

for bamboo

to to establish that the paper is coming

from china

or looking for cheater dust this is not

a joke this is literally their process

so yeah this is a another desperate

time because they haven't found anything

and for the people who say that voter

fraud happened

please provide your source that's all i

have to say

sounds good and then finally we'll go to

ctv

i think there's always been at least

some level of voter fraud to the

level and extension of it right always

seems to come down to how much evidence

you can find

right so i'm sure there's going to be a

lot of nuance about that particular

conversation but at this time i'd like

to point out everybody especially here

in the central florida area right

it's hurricane season make sure you get

yourself a dc to ac

inverter right that way you can plug it

into your vehicle

you can have ac electrical power to your

refrigerator to be able to keep your

your your beer cold or whatever food

right it's definitely something

that you want to make sure you have on

your person at all times it's like a

basic survival tool really

like you know uh intellectual thought

like reading the rules right to begin

with during opening statements you keep

your [ __ ] mouth shut

right that's also a good thing to have

uh you're a good respecter

i'm looking at you you're going again

can't i write the [ __ ] you don't you

don't disrespect me [ __ ]

nobody disrespect me you don't

disrespect me you understand

you don't disrespect

we're about to get in the journal okay

two seconds thank you ctv opening stay

all right general conversation

not giving a [ __ ] anyone have any

thoughts uh

floor is open uh all right so

true when it comes down to things like

thank you does voter fraud exist

yes um let's see here i have

i have this right here this is from voa

they're saying in georgia's election

there was

as many as a thousand voters who may

have double voted

there was people arrested in texas for

voter fraud fraud does exist

now the amount of fraud that does exist

that is where the true debate is so

there are questions that's not a debate

bro don't give them that it's it's they

say it doesn't exist at all and it does

well wait to be clear nobody on this

panel

on the left this mystical like thing

you're trying to grade on whatever the

left is

never claim that voter fraud doesn't at

all exist it's just in such minuscule

amounts

it seems pointless to ever put up more

every election is local mr i know

everything i've served and i've helped

governors and mayors and a local

councilman

come on dylan every [ __ ] as well are

you okay

i could list my credentials too like i

learned how to do email marketing that

has nothing to do with what we're

talking about

i didn't try to like pull out a card and

like look at my ass i don't know why

we're doing this but

all i'm saying is there's not much if

you can show me all these examples

of this becoming a name so why would why

would why would i

would for example like the democrats new

york

audits happening but these audits happen

and then the voter fraud

never use usually is the issue what the

issue is oh there was a problem with the

machines or oh there was a problem with

this oh there's a problem with that it's

never that

we found tons of widespread cases of

voter fraud it's always

oh we forgot to count this oh we forgot

to count that which is not a problem of

people trying to give it voter fraud

that's a problem of governmental

incompetence that's two totally

different issues what about what about

the government

overriding the government overriding

their own state constitutions

i want to respond to aircraft's thing

for a second because aircraft system

earlier i didn't respond to

and it was may have and that's a very

important term

because what happens when we when we do

these audits and reviews

what they do is they don't say these are

all the cases of voter fraud we have

what they'll do is they'll wrap it up

and they'll say these are potential

voter fraud cases for example out of the

recent arizona

voter fraud like audit and everything

they did and they had to look at bamboo

because of all these like theories that

are being thrown out 200 of

potential voter fraud cases out of three

million

and what that showed is most likely it's

not going to be 200 it's going to end up

maybe being

100 or maybe 110 if i'm being generous

out of that potential which shows that

it does exist

but it shows that it is so municipal

that the idea was going to

actually cause an effect on the election

uh to

overturn the election or change the

outcomes of the election

which is what these large-scale voter

fraud laws and

voter protection laws are being passed

in order to combat

seems like a waste of government funds

it seems like a waste of everyone's time

i we know that state governments with

gerrymandering

and with voter id laws before have tried

to tilt elections into their favor

and that's what seems to be happening

right now and so i'm i'm not going to be

like

being in favor of enacting all these

laws if someone cannot prove to me this

is a legitimate issue

yeah that's wrote the cut sleeve because

cuddly races

yeah i can give you a couple of reasons

why you would want voter id if that's

what we're talking about now

um just as a democrat side right the six

states who've already had voter id

most of them during the next election

flipped democrat

um from everyone's side when these

states implemented voter id

every single state voted more in the

next election

and just another general thing um when

you implement these voter id laws

lines get shorter more people vote but

lines get shorter so there's plenty of

reasons

to implement voter id laws please

explain to me how when we when people

have to have a piece of plastic that

means the line gets shorter

why

did you do this

i'm not that angry at it but i did think

ctv try to want to so i can understand

your anger with dylan

but to answer his question um it's just

statistically proven that the lines get

shorter because voter id

makes it so that the lines move more

efficiently and even then

on the democrat side again it's just one

less argument that the conservatives

don't have voter ids are not for voter

protection then

this is purely an operational

expect like an expediated operational

decision

every one of us need a social security

card it's [ __ ] free

wait we're not talking about social

security guards because

then sure right but you can't everybody

needs a social

yeah that's a vote you can't use that

you have to just

look you can't be charged by your

government unless you have a social

right

taxation without representation can't

happen so time together put a picture on

them i'll sign for that

go all right it's murky smart

okay wait can't leave sparky

park is alrighty look so it's already

been admitted

okay everyone says that it does exist

now

the argument is how much of it does

exist

i get that okay now in my world in

in a perfect world we would say no voter

fraud exists what would be one of the

best methods

to eliminate voter fraud and well

voter id would be it and by the way

states that require

voter id have means for people to get

free ids

if they choose to not go down and get

them

like in texas you get a free state id if

you don't need to drive or anything like

that

so programs already exist to help people

get their free id

so they can go vote voting is a right

and we should protect that right

protecting it doesn't mean we just hand

it off to

everyone in the ether it means we make

sure that only

citizens votes the people who are

actually

part of the country gets the votes and

the way that we do that and make sure

that they don't double vote or anything

stupid like that

the way we do that is through sound

verification and the way to do that is

through voter id

okay when i go to geek and the matic and

then we can go into the journal chaos

you're being a geek sorry all right

quick pushback uh

first of all uh like how

would whatever id like affect voter

fraud i don't

understand the links like how does that

like how

does one stop the other and on top of

that you would have to prove that like

it's a problem in the first place to

to to put that as a solution if it

exists it's a problem sir

what would you agree well that's okay so

this doesn't make sense because

well if you put more restrictions

between anyone and doing something less

people are going to do it

this is true of anything for example a

big

a big thing that websites do is they

always make sure there's always one

click away to get to the store

of any website and the reason why is if

you make you have to click three times

even if it's just clicking a a screen

three times

less people are going to end up doing it

because it's more barriers between the

people

and products the people or whatever you

want them to do and the more barriers

you put up period

no matter how small and inconvenient

they could be will do that

it's a big reason why even though i am

considered by many people to be more

pro-gun democrat i'm against a lot of uh

gun laws and gun restrictions because it

means

you're restricting a lot of people from

things that i believe are the

constitutional right

so you're against uh background checks

then i would ask

background checks is something i don't i

haven't completely finished my position

on and i can admit to that i don't know

for sure

because i'm generally considered pro-gun

but

the thing is when it comes to voter id

laws is if the

issue is so minuscule and uh in my

opinion because no one has been able to

prove to me

that this is something that's

overturning elections and most certainly

didn't do so in the last election

all these audits all these lawsuits

everything has proven that

then i'm not going to be in favor of

putting up this restriction

and you can say well afterwards more

people turned out to vote

now we we can also accept the fact that

many of this might be because

democrats will usually use these types

of voting laws to try to spur their base

into getting more active

and it can be connected to other things

but the issue with voting voter id

isn't just the idea that well less

people in general might come out to vote

it has to do with which communities in

particular it

could overly target and hit hurt because

of which communities on average

have a lower amount of government-issued

ids if you look at the percentage

of of the population that has a lack of

government-issued ids

eight percent of them are white 25

percent of them are black

that's across the board so help render

justice center

okay so how do these individuals

actually actually survive day to day how

do they get jobs

how they do things such as uh get things

like

government benefits and and things like

that with the social safety net because

you have to prove your identity

so to actually sit there and say they

don't have these ids i

think that's a big disingenuous

literally

required there is a there is documented

and i'm i can send you the link

people do live without government issued

ids that would be used

to vote that is i assume that you're you

are you denying that those people are

not in existence or

well i assume in the comments with

i don't have a position on covert

passports i never thought about it well

you certainly just made the argument

i mean i would acknowledge wait i would

have to acknowledge that putting any

barrier between

i would acknowledge that a covert

passport would mean less people will fly

right and so if my goal is to have as

many people as vote as possible

then i would be against putting up that

barrier do you not see the problem

let me finish i look everybody's jumping

on me i understand it right

you want to get your hits in on dylan

but at least let me finish right

and if my goal is to have as many people

fly as possible

then yes i would try to get rid of covet

passports

and as many barriers that i could within

reason in order to have as many people

fly

and since i don't think voter id is

something that we need to do because

voter fraud hasn't been shown to me to

be a significant enough issue you know

why i'll hate

you let me

please read my please enlighten me very

intelligent thing you're about to say

there it is very intelligent thing no

there it is you guys think you got it

all figured out you're smarter than

everybody but yet you're scared but

you're interrupting me you're sitting

here preaching yeah i'm gonna interrupt

you because you're full of [ __ ]

you guys are sitting here pitching this

[ __ ] you're pitching [ __ ]

yeah it's nothing all you do all you do

is you go rabbit hole down like oh

you can't prove to me there was any

fraud yet you acknowledge there's fraud

now we're going to debate

how much fraud there is we literally

said

that that is fraud no one is denying

that there are instances of fraud but

statistically

the difference is that let's say there's

there's two let's say there's 20

instances of fraud in a single state

because that is something that's

happened

they did a review in wisconsin not that

long ago they've done these in multiple

states where they actually added it and

say okay

it's 20 instances guess how many [ __ ]

votes no we're counting there's two

hundred thousands

in wisconsin don't bring up wisconsin

maddie maddie

wisconsin what do you think

of wisconsin i'll bury you right here

i'll bear you right here with the facts

wisconsin

if you want to go down the rabbit hole

we'll go for it

they accept 270 000 votes without

constitutional

stop stop stop stop stop okay cut sleeve

uh and then uh

wait i was supposed to speak before oh

maddie i'm sorry yeah maddie sorry i'm

sorry

yeah so i also i mean i know we're

getting down this rabbit hole of like

voter ids voter ids and then like you

dems don't know what you're talking

about rebel rebel

um but i also want to bring up another

point

about voter ids that isn't necessarily

based in just that they're cost

prohibitive or

that they um prevent marginalized people

from voting

there's another really important thing

to keep in mind is that will you go for

[ __ ] sakes yourself hold on a second

while i'm talking

skin colors shut the [ __ ] up i'm talking

you only have a chance but for now this

is my turn so

ids also typically require documentation

in order to share an id but there are

barriers to that and here's why

so if you think about people that are

from the foster care system there are

foster kids

who have a hard time locating their

birth certificate so the fact that they

would need that in order to get

an id or any sort of like government

you're bringing out of your app okay no

your ass is [ __ ] huge needs to sit

thank you sankara appreciate it

and call me stupid and call me a libtard

or whatever

else is in your rolodex of dumb boomer

insults

okay so here's the thing we have people

who are in like

thank you thank you again you'll have

your chance

so

thank you so again there are people that

are in the foster care system

there are people that have unfortunately

become homeless

or have like relationships with their

families where they don't have ready

access

to things like their birth certificate

like their social security card i know

people who are just home for their

families

because they came out as gay or came out

as trans

and their families were the ones that

had uh control over

those documentation so there are a lot

of barriers

these are things that we have to

consider when we're talking about voting

rights if we actually want everyone who

is eligible

who is a citizen to vote or

if you don't care about that or if you

think oh well [ __ ] them then it seems

like you really only care about

people who are wealthy enough to be able

to afford uh

an id and people who come from a

background where they have all this

stuff readily available but that

excludes

millions of people in this country and

that is patently undemocratic

speaking of democracy why

everybody you mentioned has a social

security card every person and

everything you mentioned

has a social security card you gave a

white print you gave white people

problems

ain't none of that [ __ ] happening in

[ __ ] rural america or where people

are suffering real suffering

oh they oh my parents disown me because

i say i'm gay i can't vote get the [ __ ]

out of here

[ __ ] all right

that doesn't happen i don't think it

doesn't happen

tell your kids you're [ __ ] gay you

can't vote

i don't agree with red next point that

if it happens once then it's a problem

like i mean

there's sure to be a gun homicide i

wouldn't be in the removal

or i'm going to be a fan of the removal

of all guns but uh i

will push back on matthew here a little

bit because i can understand the fact

that in the past

people have been discriminated based on

their class and that's a reason why they

couldn't vote but that's why i'm so

in favor of the georgian book right in

the past we couldn't have schooling

because that's racially segregated

fussing was racially scary and it's the

same thing with voter id

but now

yeah but but the georgia bill i mean i

don't i don't want to play politics

the georgia building makes it so it is

though it is what it is

the the id is your redneck if you get

two men you're going to crash you got to

calm down man yeah let me just say this

can you please like keep your eye on the

road because people are worried that

it'll be

reported for kos or whatever uh

environment i know how to drive don't

worry

okay buddy just putting it out there

okay i pointed out that he's wearing

shades and the people need to stop

worrying about

that dumb [ __ ] but the point is

is that like there's like i i'm in favor

of this georgia bill

because like it doesn't seem to

discriminate and if anyone's heard it

it's the white rural people because one

there's going to be

more of the voting stations in urban

areas

less in the rural areas but overall

black people

on maps like not even close they're in

support of the georgia voting

most people are in support of the like

georgia voting bill overall

and it seems like since it is free and

it does

increase voters that this is a no cost

to build

are you okay all right we're gonna has

what confuses me is that if the issue is

a corruption and fraud

in american democracy why isn't more

attention

paid by conservatives to the

systemic impediments and corruption

that's rigged against

third parties and anti-establishment

candidates in general

um what good is this question they're

all rigged together what

what what good is the question of voting

when the only choices you have available

to you

is the corrupt establishment the same

thing two sides of the same coin

okay regular geek all right

uh we ended up talking about so much yes

to finish

to finish on the water idea to finish on

the water id

thing water idea is literally if you

want to to hunt rabbit

and you carpet bomb the whole forest

like

waterfront is a problem we'll uh what

voter fraud exists we'll admit it

but it's on the margin of like 0.0

something

it's never something so important and

everything and i'm still waiting to see

any source or anything to any voter

fraud claim that turned out to be true

massive voter fraud dylan

so i mean when it comes to voter fraud

right

okay let's acknowledge that people

committed voter fraud we've already done

it 10 times to do it again

i also acknowledge people jaywalk i

believe jaywalking is also an issue

my solution to it wouldn't be well let's

make a milita let's put like a

militarized police guard near every

crosswalk

so we can make sure that nobody jaywalks

because then it would you know that

would obviously make people

not want to move around as much it would

be a huge cost to the

the cost of it isn't worth it because no

one's presented to me that jaywalking

is a significant enough problem to need

a response

of that scale i don't think that voter

fraud

has been shown to be a significant

enough problem to require

anything like a voter i a voter id laws

or the laws

being passed on the state level across

this country on this scale

definitely off the back of an election

where voter fraud

was not historically any higher than it

ever is and this is being popularized

due to the fact that people are still

coping

about the fact that donald trump lost

the presidential election and donald

trump

wanted to find a justification for that

outside of the fact that

he just wasn't popular and on to the

third parties i'm 100

in favor of third parties being given a

shot in the united states

sadly it is impractical i guess right

now for either party to

accept that it'd be asking two

established powers to

give up their own power so others could

take power

we see with the debate requirements on

how they have gotten more and more bias

against third parties

i remember it was i think in the 2000

election or back when

uh the year once the the libertarian

party like got close enough

they just raised the polling requirement

to 15

uh besides the last five percent and so

uh to have any

the best thing the best next hope for

anybody is to either

get into one of these parties uh

to increase the political diverse uh

diversity of it like with the aoc types

all the way to joe manchin types

and it create extremely big tent parties

which has its own problems because third

parties

i i would love to see that happen i just

don't see it

as like politically feasible at least

not now okay

throw it to redneck and then sparky

so i agree with the establishment clause

question that the gentleman that's the

linen

lindenist marxist whatever they call

themselves said it's just

i mean we are [ __ ] we are whatever

we are [ __ ] one is

your vote whether you think the vote was

stolen or not we consider a debate all

day long

i just don't understand why the

democrats are pushing so hard

about an id that everybody else agrees

upon

that is a right you want us to have gun

ids you want us to have passports for

vaccine id she wants to have a driver's

license she wants to have

all these other form of ids but when we

talk about voting oh my god

poor black people in brown people can't

go get no

idea they can't make it out of the place

to go get that

i am not in favor of any licenses

required

wait so why are you in favor of that for

texas starting on september 1st you will

not need an idea to purchase a gun

well you're in favor actually that's

false all these gun control measures and

you're using that against

federal laws but you're not in favor of

those same methods i'm in favor

i'm in favor if we're going to play

y'all's game which we have to play right

now

because you guys have it all in your

hand then let's play it right

let's at least make it fair for all of

us and i think that if you're going to

accept any kind of government form of

subsidies

or any [ __ ] tax dollar give me your

[ __ ] name address and a

and a fingerprint that's it it's that

simple who the [ __ ] are you kidding when

you say nobody can afford it

no they can't do this they can't do that

it's a precious olympics again

i mean it's it's ridiculous

sparky all right so so uh

uh maddie cakes actually uh cited about

how like i think it was 80

80 uh cases that were dismissed uh those

were seen without cause

uh that was their opening statement it

wasn't really uh that they just they

read the case and they would oh

no no no this is just completely false

no they actually said that uh

they didn't have standing nine times out

of ten it was about standing

that the reason why these cases were

dismissed now i'm not sitting here to

to litigate the 2020 election i'm

sitting here talking about

does voter fraud exist yes everyone

admits it does

the least little bit should should be

considered a problem

now when we were in iraq when we set up

the actually most democratic election we

actually used biometrics

place all the people walking around with

little blue fingers because we used

their fingerprints now in america we

don't want that to happen

because we don't want the american

government to have a database of

certain biometric uh markers such as

fingerprints dna and such like that of

course all the veterans on this panel

yeah they have our stuff but for you the

traditional citizen we don't want you

all to have to give up that information

the more information that y'all have the

less free

that y'all give up the less free you are

when we look at it voter fraud is it a

huge problem

well maybe on the federal level maybe

not so much but on the local level where

we see things

like oh this this mayoral contest

was actually settled by 13 votes

don't you think voter fraud even in the

most minuscule and

statistically insignificant wouldn't

that be considered to be important to

look into

because now we're talking about the

executive of that local city that could

affect

i don't know if not just thousands but

could be hundreds of thousands

look at like the state of new york where

they found oh i don't know 170

000 votes that

should never have been counted because

they were test votes and that is a form

of voter fraud

wait wait let's be clear can you

say wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

wait the test vote would not have been

stopped

is that a laugh because you can't it's

funny i'm just laughing because

i laugh because you guys immediately go

like oh we're gonna go grab we're gonna

go pull out and we're gonna extract the

littlest

insignificant piece of material okay

except to

frame the argument what do you

read

a local race a local race with um this

is a voter fraud

okay sorry 157

000 test votes like like sample ballot

like test votes not sample ballots test

votes

okay how would voter id

would have stopped the test votes from

being cast

because it wasn't that people walk up

with the test vote

and throw that in there that was so

you're acknowledging now

damn it redneck yes earlier today i said

the biggest problem with elections

is the computers not working

malfunctions

and governmental incompetence or they

are remotely controlled right

banks or is that too conspiracy

for you right now can you plea pretty

pretty

please that they don't finish this point

sure i can't i can't i just like digging

in his ass like that

i can tell redneck i don't want i don't

want you to dig in my ass

thank you um no ass talk all right new

rule no ass talk on the show okay

first they took ass and i said no all

right no all right

dylan everyone play the quiet game

dylan's gonna talk because he is putting

his hand on his head like he is annoyed

157 000

test votes would not have not been

counted

in this instance because of voter id

they would have been counted that is the

government's fault

that is not the vote fault of any

individual voter for having counted a

test ballot

test ballots are used as far as i know

to make sure that machines are working

and make sure that everything's working

properly so voter id laws wouldn't have

even helped at all in the new york

situation

so i don't know how that would have like

fixed the situation whatever

ever it would have had to have been

fixed due to the government incompetence

level

due to the governmental incompetence or

these or the company that was

doing the actual like using the

machine's account so

how would voter id have stopped those

test ballots from

yeah being i actually would not have

taught that

wait that started yeah uh

so i don't you know like the

you know election fraud turned over the

election i don't like that type of

argument i like to argue more of a

utilitarian standpoint

that this would probably benefit

everyone in their own ways

and i think this would overall make the

elections more efficient right

um so specifically nothing to do with

2020 but there's another situation with

new york

where signatures weren't checked and 250

000 ballots

went missing same thing with california

100 000 dollars ballots need to be

rejected

uh because of just like elections

inconsistencies now no one's saying that

this favor to party or another that's

why it wasn't a big thing in 2016 or

in the past election but what we're

saying is voter id

would make it so these signatures didn't

have to be thrown out

and just make the election process in

the voting process

much easier it would make the election

much more efficient that's why you see

in every single state specifically

indiana where as soon as they

implemented voter laws

the voting went up 30 percent that

voter id makes elections more

efficient and that's what in the lines

that i want to debate about

so i i do want to do some voter

um does it stop he's not arguing a voter

fraud argument i don't think

because well the topic is making it a

different argument well the topic is

voter fraud but

for some reason we've deviated the voter

id because every time it happens but

i just want to acknowledge that you know

aircraft did say that it wouldn't have

impacted it

that it wouldn't have like voter id

would not have stopped what happened in

new york city

uh with that election the 157 thousand

test ballots

were not cast by voters and that wasn't

an instance of voters committing voter

fraud

that was an instance of the company

messing up so voter id would not have

fixed that situation

i also want to bring up the fact that

even if it does

create some more efficiency like custody

was bringing up

i do want to bring up the fact that he

has acknowledged the racial history of

voter id laws

and as early as like the 2000s we've

still had voter id laws rejected by the

supreme court

due to them be having a racial bias and

it's not as simple as

we don't like black people signed into

law it never is that direct

what they did is they laser targeted

voter ids in north carolina

that would be used by black communities

and you can see stuff like this still in

effect in texas

a great example of this is they make it

so you have to have an id to vote

okay well gun licenses gun

licenses that you get to have a gun that

you can use to vote you can use a gun

license

you cannot use a student license

and so this is when you need to get into

the nuance that 80 percent of the people

who own handgun licenses

in texas are white 50

of those who hold student licenses in

the state of texas

they're of the minority population these

little nuances happen across the board

and many of these state and local

governments i can acknowledge it but i

don't think

it could be any more relevant to the

case right i mean i've watched the

destiny debate before i know what to

happen with the north carolina thing i

mean but schooling is the same way

schooling is still racist you can still

find racial biases in schooling

as yes look at modern times to both

sides you just had a friend of action

brown view board of education are you

acknowledging that these voter id laws

are racist that

okay hold up dylan look come on you you

can't just sit here and let him sit here

steer these conversations around all

this

it's about voter fraud you admitted it

you just called the government the

company

and here we are also they're telling you

that's exactly the problem

you called the government of companies

to do this

you acknowledge that government

acknowledge that those companies

remember dominion

i didn't call the government the company

there's a company the government works

with to get these elections done

okay i believe it's called the

contractor thank you okay okay

let's assume let's just play the devil's

advocate let's assume this voter fraud

is happening

right at the local levels because i

don't know i genuinely don't know so i'm

just gonna give you the devil's advocate

and assume it's happening

the first question i have is does

is this really what convinced you that

these

parties that are in power whoever

whoever's doing it are corrupt and are

committed to being in power at the

expense

or regardless of the people's will and

they'll do anything they can to stay in

power

and second of all the very reason why

they're still in power the very reason

why nobody can challenge their authority

is because they always whip

up these [ __ ] partisan nothing

burgers that divides people on one of

the two sides

and people end up saying well i gotta go

vote for the democrats to stop those

republicans or i gotta go vote for those

republicans

to stop the democrats nobody really

thinks about

why don't we starve the machine and vote

for third parties and actually not vote

for either of these two parties

because that's actually going to be the

only way that whatever corruption is

going on

whatever it is and i don't know the

extent of it can actually be challenged

and

actually be stopped because the thing is

even if

even if you prevail in eliminating all

voter fraud in america guess what

these parties are still corrupt and

they're still going to do

shady you know dirty things that

undermine american democracy

so that's my view agreed yeah wait wait

all right sparky

not agreed not agreed

sparky first first please then oh geez i

haven't seen anything all the time but

now i gotta shut up all right i'm sorry

no no no worries you know what i'm

actually gonna exceed

i'm gonna see my my time zone i'll be

allowed to get into this

okay when it comes down to it when it

comes to a third party dude

i i like that you're after actually

advocating for a third party although

i'm pretty sure the third party that you

would want to go

go to vote for is probably not one

anyone american would want to

um when it comes down to it let them

have it try it

third party candidates are always

freaking cringe-worthy

let's look at joe jurgison who is really

just a progressive pretending to be a

pretending to be a libertarian and let's

look at that uh that previous dumpster

fire the libertarians put forward

couldn't even tell you what was going on

in foreign relations uh what is aleppo

anybody

look the libertarians and mostly these

um these third-party candidates

are just so engulfed with something as

asinine which should already be

legalized like my marijuana

that they forget you know real actual

topics in america

when it comes down to it why are we

questioning this because it happens

every election cycle it just happens to

be on this time it is actually

right going hey we got some election

fraud we need to look into it now some

people go a little bit off board

notice i have not said that it was

changed the election by any means

whatsoever

but i say that any election fraud should

be considered bad just like

most of us i would think that we would

agree on things like

racism in any shape way or form is bad

but of course we've got people here

playing team sports i'm looking out for

america

the big thing and y'all are looking out

for america the your team

so look at it under that deal we can sit

there and go

hey theft is bad we should do things

to deter theft to make theft even harder

things like that just apply that so to

say theft

say voting it's very simple and when it

comes down to gun purchases i've already

i've already come out and said

background checks should not exist

because it is a right but when it comes

to voting

i want an id there because i want to

ensure the security of the election

that is what i want it for just like the

left will argue they want

a gun registration for the security of

gun ownership

i mean that argument that argument goes

both ways

so wait a minute ctv

the political parties aren't the problem

in this country the problems send back

to the

creation of the federal reserve that's

not the current topic so

you know like that's why i can't agree

with no communists not

not [ __ ] ever and that's just kind of

where i'm at

well uh regardless of the issue of the

federal reserve

if we're talking about democracy and

voting and stuff

it stands that the number one issue is

the two-party duopoly and i agree

that so so far the third-party

candidates that we've seen have not been

promising

and that's fine but why can't a better

third-party candidate

take their place it's the only shot the

american people have

to get out of this infinite loop of uh

is to get a more educated voter

regardless of how the public systems are

set up

i would support the emergence of like oh

my god

come on manny there was a direct

question answer back and forth

i said nothing i'll [ __ ] you know

what fine go ahead

let me know when the rest of y'all want

some education and then i'll educate

y'all then y'all can talk about that

okay

okay i'll no you know what ctv i would

like some education please

oh now we want some education i was

wrong i'm sorry

all right all right redneck's been

holding his hand up for a while i'll go

out there

read that go ahead buddy i mean

the reason i agree with what's your name

linus what is your real name

okay i apologize for not referencing

your name directly ha states

i agree with him from the from the

aspect of corruption i think both sides

played the

played the cards against stacked cards

against us citizens

i am all for a third party a fourth

party a fifth i'm for [ __ ] whoever

wants to run

run i don't believe in a right the left

i believe in america

first point blank that's who i am that's

what i've always been

you could call me a nationalist you call

me whatever you want but if you can't

love yourself

you can't help nobody else and we don't

love ourselves we hate each other

we're pointing fingers we're screaming

and yelling we're blaming each other for

what our government is doing and i i

prefaced the intro that way

i said i'm tired of the left and this

right [ __ ] the government themselves

didn't listen to any of us

those of you on the left who think you

won this time you didn't

he's not passing all the things you want

passed he's only passing enough to get

by

to use your vote and it happens every

four years this way and i'm tired of it

i am done with it and as the old boomer

in the room maddie who's been

through many of these i voted for

democrat and republican throughout my

life

it's [ __ ] you guys just think you

got something special going because

you're

you're young and it's all in the moment

you when you get to my age you'll

realize how [ __ ] it is right now

this is bad but it's not good for any of

us

yeah i'm kind of old but um yeah so i

i think i wanted to respond to the uh

desire for like we need to amplify third

parties and i wish we had more parties

so in in like theoretically i agree

because i think you know

that adds more ideas it makes it so that

people

aren't just defaulting to what they

think is

um the less of two evils however

the way that third parties in this

country have gone about actually

building coalitions and

assuming power it seems to be that they

only emerge in

enforce during national elections and i

think

i would take them a lot more seriously

and i would take their commitment to

their platform a lot more seriously

if they focused at the local level and

actually started

winning in like local elections and then

building a groundswell from there

because historically that's what we've

seen actually be effective

in terms of then bubbling to the surface

building

up a foundation of support that puts you

in a prime position

to do well at the national level and

thus far i have not

seen those um those parties doing that

at a big scale the issue is that

it's those contested areas that you have

to actually build

in local elections and when you try to

run a third party in a contested area

between red versus blue

whichever side you're on they're going

to say oh you're just helping the

republicans

and why don't you do this in an already

blue area if you only build a base

in the co uh if you're let's say you're

a leftist if you only build your base

local elections are nonpartisan

but but they're but they're usually but

they're very partisan yeah they're very

important well well no

yeah i don't understand mean wait let's

let maddie clarify

or whatever okay yeah clarify yeah so it

it there's it depends on the state it

depends on like so big cities yes

it is partisan however for local

elections for like so my my hometown

of los altos california when you run for

city council

when you run for mayor or anything else

and this isn't just like

at a small town you don't run as a

democrat or as a republican

i don't know why you're laughing she's

right you run as a non-partisan no

no i'm sitting here

i was just in los altos so to hear her

talk about oppressions you were in los

altos holy [ __ ]

i was just there i was literally i was

leading i was eating at los altos grill

every night for the past month and a

half

that's a great place to eat that's a

great choice wait wait wait wait a

second

if if local elections are nonpartisan

that's my hometown

then how could they possibly benefit a

third party running up to a

a general how would that be a form of

building because what you do

is you see it as a launching pad so when

you establish yourself

as a nonpartisan what you're able to do

then is

effectively govern in that position but

then say if you're like a city council

person who then wants to make the leap

to maybe run for an open house position

or run for a step more

more likely like state assembly or state

senate when you have

that um that resume of success where

you're saying hey

we were able to do this in this local

town

and this is what we are able to i'm

proposing that we

bring this to a statewide level or like

this is a blueprint for what's possible

and then you build those relationships

and you are able to then build a

groundswell of support

i just don't see that and maybe that's

my own experience but experience

that the real backbone of build being

able to build national coalitions and

national movements

is maybe local is bad word but when it

comes to congressional districts and

things like that

places that are going to be contested

between republicans and democrats

third parties have to have the backbone

they have to have the balls to be able

to risk

the op the other side of their them

politically winning so

if you're going to contest the democrats

from the left you have to have the balls

to risk the republicans winning and if

you don't do that

you're not going to be building the

necessary base in middle america in the

midwest which is

actually which you need to win this

country not the coastal elites of

california and uh

new york city that's where the battle is

and here's the thing is liberals don't

know how to talk to people in the

midwest and they don't know how to win

any victories

among uh america's uh flyover states and

rural people so

this is really the issue we're dealing

with when it comes to a third party

i don't know why knock doors and sorry

one one last thing just last night

we're wrapping up and we're wrapping up

and we'll go to closing thoughts after

so

yeah because i listen i agree with you i

think um the midwest in particular

should be seen as like the battleground

that is where we should be focusing our

resources and i say that as someone who

has spent a lot of time in the midwest

so while i'm from california my fiance

is from minnesota

my like entire dad's side of my family

is from rural

illinois like we used to have like a

little bit of farmland um

right outside of peoria illinois i spent

a lot of time there i went to iowa

during the primaries and knocked doors

so i've talked to these people

but the thing is is like i don't see a

third party ever winning a

national seat until they have at least

won

mayorships in a few significant cities

or

where they've got any sort of like

meaningful

representation at state legislatures

because that

tends to be the signal for whether or

not

something is gaining steam at the

national level so i don't think that

it's

realistic to um assume that there's

going to be any sort of meaningful

uh uprising of like a third party and

that it'll show

at the congressional level before it

shows at both the local and state laws

what about the case of and i disagree

with her i don't like her but what about

the case of aoc she didn't begin

i like you yeah she's a democrat i'm not

talking about you i'm talking about aoc

i don't know who i don't really know

she's a democrat yeah i'm saying i don't

like her but

she you know her whatever brand of the

democrats

she didn't begin by going to the local

uh legislators she went

to get that seat for the congressional

district in which she lives she

contested

but that's not a third party so it's not

really relevant i i know i know

i i understand but i'm saying

only doing something like that gains

national traction in our age of

attention economy and in 2021 you know

doing all this

local mayorship like shawama swanth in

seattle went on to the city council

literally nothing came of it like

nothing actually was produced

from massive massiveness i do want to

say that

hans has a point here it is true that

knocking out someone like joe crowley in

resp in opening

up with someone like aoc who knows how

to get attention in

in the modern information economy knows

how to

communicate to a a class of voters the

young people in particular

um better than like nancy pelosi and

chuck schumer do

much better is extremely useful but i

would also

say that her not having an experience

yeah i know but the topic moved on we're

about to have closing statements i will

also say though

that it is also true that her not having

an experience from going from a very

local government

up to that position means that she

wasn't able to build

effective political ties up to her

getting into office

and that is something that has hobbled

her for the first two terms

of her being in office she's been very

been able to make up for it in a lot of

ways

through how popular she is with young

people and make herself a national

figure

but it's also true that somebody with

local governmental experience

would know how to maneuver the levels of

government much better and would also

have a lot more local uh governmental

ties

of other people who are going to come up

with them so i think that um

i i do actually have a few problems with

the aoc model when it comes to like

governmental experience but i don't

think that she was

you know i think she it was very

successful for her cool

all right we're going to go into closing

statements do you want do you want to

just count that as your closing

statement dylan or you have

more though well i that was not really i

would like uh

okay okay uh all right we'll go to uh

ctv ah i don't want to go first

all right mister i've waited this

[ __ ] long to talk

till the end you know what i'm saying

hey you're right all right mr geek

uh i don't know we're going to lube but

anyway

i'm going to address everything in one

statement all right uh

first of all voting idea again um not

the solution for waterford i don't know

why would

why would bring why we bring this up

every time

it it doesn't address we can talk about

voter id when it's the topic

it wasn't i don't know why we spent so

much time talking about this [ __ ]

i wanted to go back on what kept safe

say at the beginning with the media

influence in the election

trump was covered non-stop so if one

person had more media attention than

other it was trump uh what else

um

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yeah the reason of this topic

at the beginning or at least i think was

uh

the cyber ninja recount which again is

nothing but coping

there was already a recount done in

maricopa there was already another done

in uh

in the same county nothing was found and

again

uh i'm going to ask for people to oh

last thing that i wanted to address

uh we need to differentiate like

local election and like uh

country national election the process

used in those two elections are not

similar you don't use the same process

to to treat like tens of thousands of

ballots that you would you would use

dude

to treat like ten thousand um

yeah that's pretty much it thank you

very much uh let's go to cut sleeve

yep so in concluding statements i

haven't heard

any good argument for why we should

oppose voter id

i know voter fraud was the topic but

that's just kind of how the topic

pivoted

i still stand by my claim that it's

going to be more efficient for

our country and our voting systems in

the country specifically india

indianapolis but all the six countries

that implemented voter id laws

they've all seen an increase in voting

participation so that's a reason why you

want to vote

um decrease and like voter

inconsistencies that's the reason why

you want to vote

to avoid these new york situations to

avoid california situations

now onto mr geek's point i do think the

there were some election

uh secrecies uh before the election

started

uh although he's right that uh trump got

a lot of earned press

which is like press that you don't pay

for um though that press was bad

uh a coverage from i think you know i

think it was from cnn

covered that maybe not cnn but i

remember someone reading that 93 percent

of trump's coverage was

like just like bad not false but bad

even though if even if you want to say

that that

is deserved from trump because he says a

lot of stupid statements

i still think it does indicate a bias in

the way presidency should be ran

i do think there was a lot of lobbyists

on binding side you can just see what

happened to bernie

um and then the last thing i want to say

is

um kevin costner literally lied to the

fbi 17

times uh to try to try to spy on trump's

campaign

so if you're not going to say that the

uh i don't think

that election fraud happened literally

you know people were voting twice

for biden i don't think that's what

happened i think the election fraud

started

way before even one ballot came in are

you

very much uh let's go to redneck

i could sit here and steal man

everything that he just stated

but i mean those of us that are that

paid attention to the last election

that's what we saw we saw corporate

america

colluding with any anti-trump anything

trump was bad

anything trump was racist anything trump

was russian collusion it started before

he took office

it still hasn't stopped it's been the

excuse used

it's been the excuse used from day one

the dems are smirking and think they've

got it made

and that game i'm done playing i'm tired

of seeing this [ __ ] happening

all of you on the left that sit here on

twitch and stream oh we're the smartest

people on earth

we know what's going on show us the

proof mr frenchy over there who

should be outside [ __ ] uh trying to

help his country

uh get their freedom back instead to sit

here telling us that we need to

uh give more authenticism and fascism

to our government i mean let's just keep

listening to these [ __ ] tell us what

we're gonna do as americans

i'm done with that it ain't a right left

issue this is american issue

corporate america corporate machines all

of this stuff dylan even said it earlier

the corporation

yeah the contractors that the gyms hired

and or the republican hired there are

places where you guys will sit there and

say oh the republicans cheated

and we'll sit there and say the dems

cheated both agreeing but see y'all just

want to say oh

well we won so there's nothing to do

let's not fix anything

we start going down these little rabbit

holes about [ __ ] but nothing ever

gets done

it's every four years the same story and

i've watched it for almost 50 years

and i'm telling y'all y'all keep playing

this game but until you look at yourself

in the mirror and say who am i really

voting for

are they doing what we want as a whole

not just what you want on the right or

what i want on the left we're not going

to get anywhere

and as far as haas is concerned i hope

that he can get a chance to have his

his political ideology seen do i think

he's going to win [ __ ] no

but at least he if he believes in it and

he's an american and he believes it'll

help america be a better country

that's what we're all supposed to want

right third parties any party

i don't care i just don't want to see

this [ __ ] keep happening

where we citizens are fighting each

other each other over a corrupt

government that's just going to tell us

to [ __ ] ourselves

which is what's happened this past

election

uh thank you i don't know if i said this

at the beginning but if we could steer

away from personal attacks that'd be

though

just generally just try to keep that in

mind uh let's go to

uh uh i mean the the frenchie thing

i don't know if it's necessarily being

french isn't bad but

uh it is bad well that is an opinion it

is

we all love france uh let's let's go

that's gonna happen

wow uh you know i did not come very

prepared

on the issue of voter fraud but then

again

um it's not very much of interest to me

specifically but i do think the

divisions

in america are very real divisions

and my goal is to focus on creating a

united

american politics so that people will

stop

fighting each other instead of focusing

on the true

uh enemy which is uh corporate america

and the one percent

that's right thank you very much uh

let's go to

sparky uh

alrighty look uh no one has denied that

voter fraud does not exist

now yet again we've talked we've talked

ad nauseam

you know oh what's it what's acceptable

fraud i'll say no fraud is acceptable

uh but look um as much as i like to pick

on the french

uh i still love the french so i'm not

definitely not going to say anything bad

about geek geek seems to be a pretty

chill guy

uh but look we could go ad nauseum oh

well

they always have to say everyone has to

say oh it's not enough you know it

didn't change

the results of the election and the fact

that we have to put that qualifier in

there

is truly the problem part of that is

because

our tech overlords have determined that

we will all be platformed

if we happen to say beyond the shadow of

a doubt or something like that

that this this happened because they'll

dub it as misinformation

which my god this country was founded

on all kinds of misinformation going

unchecked and now the current

presidency is actually talking about

well we're getting people to be

platformed off of

areas like facebook because they are

passing misinformation there's a lot of

unamerican things going on voter fraud

is part of it and uh if we could wipe

wipe out some of this unamericanism

in america i think we can make america

amazing

i yield sounds good let's uh go to

maddie

yeah quickly clarify like

the reason i

um critique america and our systems as

much as i do

is because i i love our country and i

see so much potential in what

this country could be for so many people

not

just wealthy white people

um it's like when they say you know you

have great friends

when they not only give you compliments

and support you but they also give you

[ __ ] and call you out on your [ __ ]

like that is what i see uh myself doing

and anybody who wants to improve

our our institutions um in the case of

voter fraud or you know fixing

making sure it doesn't happen um again

i think voter id is

potentially well intentioned however

it's cost prohibitive

and it's also prohibitive for those who

are already disenfranchised and maybe

don't have

access to the documentation or

information that they need in order to

procure

an id if we made the process of issuing

driver's licenses um free and more

streamlined so that every single citizen

would have access to it

then i think that would be fantastic and

then i think totally reasonable

to have some sort of voter id law but

that's unfortunately not the case

and so i think that requires us to

look at what else we can do it's also

looking at whether or not voter fraud is

this widespread issue

no one's denying that voter fraud exists

however

the instances of voter fraud are so

small

that i don't think it warrants the kind

of sweeping legislation that we're

seeing happening particularly in

government-controlled state legislatures

and that's presuming to to protect voter

fraud

i wish um that a few

instances of abuse of a system

i wish the the right-leaning people on

this

panel um took that same attitude for

like oh well we need sweeping

legislation when there are just a few

instances

i wish that took the same attitude with

gun violence

uh as they do with voter fraud because

one actually results in like the deaths

of people one does it but that's a

conversation for another time

i love america america great america

good friends pretty good too

um go america

certainly okay we'll go to dylan

um i again uh for somebody to

want me to get voter fraud i mean not to

take your photo if i get voter id

i would need to be proven that voter

fraud is a significant enough issue

for us to deviate time attention

political capital

uh money and of course actually putting

up

the most important part putting up

barriers between people and the vote

and in this conversation uh the biggest

example someone brought up to me

well as of recent was sparky the 157

000 test ballots which and which we all

acknowledge

would not have been stopped by a voter

id

and voter id laws that have been passed

on the state level

have been ruled unconstitutional on many

occasions because

of their racist background we all

acknowledge there is a racist history

to voter id laws and we also acknowledge

that there are a population in the

united states

without voter ids and the voter ids they

had approved like tactics for example

will get sometimes to be approved

they'll approve the ones that have

majority white populations but not the

ones that have majority minority or

black populations

great examples in texas they approved of

gun licenses being used as voter ids

but not student ids being used as voter

ids which is overwhelmingly used by

young people who

are overly whelmingly left-leaning and

also used by a major

major majority minority population about

50 percent

so if somebody wants me to be in favor

of a new type of regulation definitely

it's something as integral to the united

states and to any country

uh as its electoral system you're gonna

have to give me a pretty damn good

justification

so i have not been giving that

justification during this

talk and the new arizona audit just came

out to show that

the idea is that there was widespread

voter fraud in arizona that could have

affected the results of the election

was untrue out of 3 million ballots that

they looked at only 200

may have had a problem only 200

may have had a problem it'll end up

maybe being around half of that

so i don't know doesn't seem like a

significant problem for me

uh seems like uh post-election cope hope

everybody's doing okay

thank you that certainly sounds like

politics okay let's go to ctv

well it's my understanding right that

france already has voter id

okay so you know i don't know why you'd

advocate for something opposite than you

already have but you know what that's

that's cool right

maddie right voter id hasn't got nobody

or you know the ability to vote you wish

he was taking the serious guns you know

pretty much fought a whole war over that

idea under the guise of slavery right so

that black people could vote you know we

going from there

right so like you know like there's

there's strides being made

during it's funny during that exact same

period of time that's when the 14th

amendment was

was was introduced right and then we get

this whole language of like what it

means to be a citizen

right so then like nobody has bothered

to even break down the federal and the

state levels with regards to the laws

that are being put in place

right so with that being said we'll take

it from the top here

uh there needs to be some type of

federal legislation that gets everybody

underneath the same banner

right and voter id would be one of those

things that would allow

all the people across the united states

specifically when it comes to federal

elections

to be able to participate the system and

everybody know that everybody's a

citizen of the country especially

considering we are currently armed with

the knowledge that there are 20

million illegal immigrants here in this

country and i don't want somebody that's

not a citizen of my country

participating in my election

call me selfish right so with that being

said

i haven't heard any justification from

the left side at all

that it shouldn't be done considering we

all have to have driver's licenses and

i've got you know concealed weapons

permits and like all these other

different things that we have just be

able to interact in society

but it's this one issue and a redneck

lady now pretty pointed and early when

he said poor black folks

can't go out and get a [ __ ] id right

he's that's the yard the

the justification you hear from the left

i didn't hear anything any different

tonight

and uh the utopia uh highs that you'd

like to

to go with man it's just not going to be

plausible here in the united states

unless you definitely increase your

level of knowledge of how the american

system actually works because like

the most comparable thing to other

nations that you would have here in the

united states would be another state

right so like each one of the states is

is sovereign under our system you could

check the 10th amendment to where like

most of these issues get kicked back to

the state so like i realize it's a

unique system it's very

it is kind of complicated but when it

does come to the voting thing is pretty

simple

uh especially electorally based off of

the census of population which is why

these numbers also matter

but without going into like the entire

history and basically putting on a

whole educational spell for the you know

everyone here on the panel in the

audience

suffice it to say that voter id is a

good idea

with regard to federal elections there's

no reason that

people that are united states citizens

can't have voter id

alright thank you very much i think

that's the uh the

end of the the first topic uh i think

there's a lot of

different places we could have gone with

it uh but maybe that's for future

discussion for sure

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i had fun um so we can go to the second

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is it's like this is we called the

pallet cleanser it's sort of just like

okay let's

let's exhale okay some people hate it

some people like it this

i like this topic though dana gave me a

good topic

who was the real winner of the hippie

dippy friday show uh the rumble

um this speaks to

very specific people this is a open

mouth no opening statements you

dive in then we have then we have a

different topic before this

no we have one after that cleanser yeah

this is just

cleanser it's like a little mid topic

though i didn't hear i didn't hear that

y'all were cutting in and out sorry

i'm driving all right all good you're

driving yeah

yeah but i feel like ctv has something

to say about this so if

he could kick it off um

well i think it was obvious i'm more

curious about how everybody else in the

room feels about it

i obviously have my own take on it

but i don't feel like it would it would

probably be like

the most justice for me to lay it and

just flop it out there on the table

first right maybe let the people get

warmed up

a little bit and then we'll just kind of

go from there fair enough fair enough

well as a participant of the hippie

dippy last friday night i would have to

say the winner is

the winner is dylan dinner dylan is

actually the winner

of the hippie dippy and it's because he

has now

got another which is going to be record

shattering

a viewer future viewer um

numbers when demon mama and destiny

actually do

tie in for the hippy dippy championship

um

but who should have won you know i i was

kind of split

dr heemed i feel did not get enough time

on screen and i firmly believe

that ctv i think that it is that

the people's champion for the hippie

dippy

would have been either dr heamed out or

ctv

uh they both did great i just think i

think he just didn't get enough time on

screen

i would have loved to have seen him be

able to go a little bit further

yeah i think i i agree with the heemed

part because i i

really wanted to see more of him i also

really wanted to see more of josie rose

because i

she's i contend that she is the freaking

smartest person

on twitch she's so good and i was

heartbroken

um when when she it was like when they

eliminated three people at once i was

really bummed out

um when josie left because i thought she

was gonna make it all the way

but i mean ctv is he's a people's

champion

there's no disputing that and ctv i

think you could have run away with it

had you shown up in your famous speedo

um because

that's just giving the people what they

want i suggested that to him

i suggested him off screen yeah because

he was talking about possibly doing a

poolside

and i said only if he does it in the red

white and blue speedo

i i imagine you got poolside speedo

with maybe like a pina colada or like a

fancy cocktail

um or even if you want to go full

america just a good old-fashioned

american beer

um that how can you say no to that

that's that's selling an

image and that's what the people want

ctv but

did you see the the promo that i did

ahead of time

yes

it's very good it's very good listen ctv

is obviously the winner of the ski pdp

he might not have the belt but he was

the obvious winner no shot

like yeah though i also

i don't know well i guess

i will say the one thing that i thought

was funny was it

that i left before hunter avalon who

contributed like next to actual nothing

during the conversation like that i was

a part of

right as a matter of fact all he really

was was a good bouncing board for a set

up meme

right uh and he totally fell right for

it and then like boom identity politics

right off the bat it's like that's why

that shit's bad but you know

a little bit of thought forethought gets

put into these things for the audience's

benefit somehow gets lost on the judges

what are you gonna do at the end of the

day right but

what is in fact true moving on from here

is that everyone knows what's coming up

in the future right everybody knows

what's coming up

it's gonna happen yeah but what is it

well you already know we're on the hunt

the uh yeah is it oh yeah the wolf pack

is oh that's

the hunch of the belt it's going to be

sitting in this background

at some point

well every everyone's commenting except

for mr hippy dippy himself dylan burns

so

i'm curious what he has to say

other rednecks on ctv i'm sorry we can

get to ready look around the hickory

dickory championship

i mean i think i i didn't get a chance

to watch it because i've been driving

for three days from california

back home to wisconsin but i heard

through the political grapevines that

dylan pulled his [ __ ] again

and colluded and took it away from a

conservative because he does that kind

of [ __ ]

dylan is a hypocrite lying scumbag that

tweaks all of his narrative

hippie-dippies

into his own left-leaning wins so he'll

never have to be

he'll never be a true fixman vince

mcmahon he can't do it because he's not

fair enough he just can't seem to

swallow a conservative wearing the belt

that actually earned it and for once ctv

and many have to agree on one thing

when it comes to this you won big dog

i'm gonna re-watch it again

i tried to watch some of it it i was

laughing too hard

you based the hell out of them i'm proud

of you dylan you're a scumbag [ __ ]

liar you should have gave him the belt

wait i think the fact that he's look

this might be the first time that

redneck and

demon mama have been on the same page

but um

i will also i was gonna throw out there

that yeah vince mcmahon is known for his

fairness

i don't i don't uh i don't remember that

in any wrestling book i've ever read or

any

he literally uses villains from both

sides of the fence come on i'm saying

that

that's what i'm saying anyway anyway the

thing is there's only been two champions

you can't like go after me when there's

only been two champions in the history

of the belt

oh right left and you want to know what

you want to know you're going to call

destiny a leftist

let me ask infrared is destiny a leftist

uh no but he's a liberal he's liberal

he's liberal but he's not a leftist so

let's not categorize him as a leftist of

some torture

anybody other than me he's not a

communist

he's not a marxist leninist a dangerous

definitely not a conservative

anyway look you want to know who won the

hippy dippy uh rumble

it was me i won the hippy dippy rumble

you want to know why

because i smashed my viewer record

numbers we went from 2.8k

to 3.6 k and live viewers and that was

just on our channel

the after show caused so much commotion

that people have been talking about the

belt ever since it

you want to know what the next day was

on political twitch

denims was reacting to it chud logic was

reacting to it

everybody and their [ __ ] daddy was

reacting to it that's because i put

together good content i put together

good shows and so the real winner

man i feel like redneck could be a

containable stone called steve austin uh

right now

i think he's kind of giving them easy i

lived

hey hey here's a here's a funny story i

actually lived right next to his sister

in texas that's pretty cool was she a

good neighbor

yes they were great people they were

cool her husband's a dentist they were

he

he partied every thursday night hell

yeah

that sounds great i can't wait for uh

vadim to clip this and see see

dylan does not care about the integrity

of the show he is once again an evil

businessman

look but i will say about that whole

thing

is like redneck was there ultimately if

anybody is legitimately looking at that

show

and is walking away from it uh thinking

that that was like

like the real world to walk away from

panels thinking this is the real world

you're the type of people that need to

be like explained that star wars isn't a

documentary to you

you're the type of person who watches

like like like a documentary about world

war ii and at the end of it says

man someone needs to do something about

this hitler guy you're that person okay

you're clueless people shot shot promos

for it

uh vosh was alleging that i broke into

his home and stole the belt out of his

physical home

there was i was wearing a a elegant robe

and a white and i had a wine glass and

all this different stuff there was evil

music in the background if you can't

uh just enjoy performative art and what

was going on there

that and you think that all of that from

start to finish was the real world

then you're clueless you got to stop sub

tweeting demon mama right now

i'm not subtreating demon mama i'm not

subtweeting demon mama

i'm not demon mama demon mama is

actually

like really intelligent when it comes to

these things and she's known about like

hippie did before a while

i'm still tweeting a certain section of

my audience that's who i'm stop tweeting

okay i just wanted to add two things

first of all

uh since i was since i'm working with

dylan i'm going to leave some backstage

secrets we had a meeting with the pr

department and we

all agreed that it's all done but's

fault so that's the first thing

second thing bro i feel kind of proud

because i

put the design like on the belt i made

the design so technically people

are fighting over my work so

yeah here's the question infrared do you

want a shot at the belt

that's good i don't know what uh it

means i don't know what you're talking

about

don't worry about it it's a

a kind of debate competition sort of um

where the winner gets

explained

stop right now like the reality here is

is that anybody that

and perhaps maybe this is just a selfish

part of

me right and i'm sure that every other

person that has been participating in

the twitch

politics community specifically right

because i could give two [ __ ] about

youtube

right i'm here on twitch right so the

twitch politics community

right like people that are competing in

the hippie dippy

should be a part of twitch politics and

its community

right i don't think you should be able

to allow youtube content creators

to be able to do [ __ ] all because

they're not here on twitch i realize

that you upload this content to

youtube but it is aired on twitch

therefore the participants should be in

the twitch politics community if they're

not

then um

because clearly youtube is more like wcw

right it's like or ecw it's like the

lesser league

so so um i haven't streamed a lot for

probably the past four or five months i

think it is there's been a lot of

personal stuff going on

when dylan talks about performative art

let me be clear i know i'm

the projected image that you guys all

have is he's a crazy old [ __ ] man who

screams a lot

i'm animated i love [ __ ] banter i

love to piss and moan and [ __ ] and cry

and whine about everything the same way

that you guys do

as well so don't forget that a lot of

this is [ __ ]

but ultimately and i've said this on

dylan's stream many times and everybody

says oh

so i'm gonna say it early so that way

you all know i'm being real and this is

the palette cleanser

i hope every one of you all are

successful in your endeavors i hope

every one of you are safe

i hope every one of you guys live your

life to your fullest take away the

[ __ ] and the bench that i give on

the fights

that we have if you ever need somebody

to call over mental health

or any other thing that affects you i am

a veteran who suffers from an anxiety

disorder

and i also suffer from a heart condition

so forget all i mean

this is me being as pure and real as i

can i am not about continuing this

banter the way it's been for the past

two almost two years i'm done with that

if you guys want to have the game i'll

play it but i prefer for us to actually

sit down and talk about how

we can combine our talents to make our

world better for all of us

not just one side or the other i truly

am that's who i truly am as a person

that's not just redneck that's really

what i want to want to push out there

and that's the new message for the new

year so that's your palette cleanser for

tonight

already happening in the infinity acre

wood redneck you need to just show up

sometime brother

we need to talk i'll be i was scared

when i gave redneck the last word i'll

be honest but uh he brought it home

that's sort of a nice thought so uh

that was extremely wholesome pretty

wholesome okay um so would you like

about 240

i tried

uh would you guys be okay with like a

five minute break uh

so i can i can smoke a cigarette that's

cool sure yeah uh yeah

hey if you're hey whoa whoa whoa if you

are taking five minute breaks then y'all

gotta watch me stand up out this window

and piss

oh well

i am going to uh switch some things over

real quick

let's see this is where i am right now

i'm gonna take

a quick five minutes right dylan

what just you compared yourself to vince

mcmahon right

you said you specifically said when's

the last time he gave a black person

no how long did it take him to give him

a black person to championship

right now yeah no once you

did this to yourself i'm gonna point out

the obvious fact that in your two

championship bouts

not a single black person yep

true wait that's not true that's not

true destiny

voted for biden didn't think of that did

you

didn't think of that you didn't think of

that no boom bro

damn can't you don't got an answer for

that one

holy ground crush thanks so you went

through that n word drama for nothing

just said he voted for biden look

yeah why didn't he sorry for him

oh he didn't vote for binding up at that

point did he took him a while

dude the time traveler bosch

also voted for biden so actually the

first ever hippie to be champion was uh

it was black but um i mean

obviously there's a representation

problem on twitch 100

so if anything you're just proving i'm

like vince mcmahon even more

yeah that's what i'm saying i'm saying

that that comparison was accurate

well let me ask you who do you think is

the person on twitch

who is black who could take the

championship

um i really went yeah well the problem

with the relevant we've been trying to

schedule him for like 20 years and he

never comes on

never mind you did you did have a try

hacks i mean

triax was one person but uh he's not

really much of a debater

um but i feel like either

or tyler bluntman i think tyler

bloomington tyler blutman is not

going to be invited to another program

ever

but what's up guys

oh i think honestly

it would probably be this next one's

gonna get heated you know this wuhan

stuff

like this is where all the

disagreement's gonna come from more like

a

carnival

oh jesse could also

i mean you'd have to get to a position

but the thing is with these people they

have to

they have to get into a position to

challenge for it right like right now

there's a lot of people who can be

challenged for the belt

it could be demon mama d mama obviously

has

justification to challenge for the belt

um it could be

um hunter avalon is somebody who i would

think 100 has justification challenge

for the belt i don't think he would but

he actually

i wonder what the libs are going to say

vosh could but are they going to be for

or against

it i don't know zero integrity

whatsoever when it comes to the hippie

dippy championship

um i i know there's something we can all

agree on um

i was thinking john stewart what about

um

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did he ever he's a big liberal he agrees

with it mike

from tv i have tried to get into one of

these things

so many times and every time it's like a

month-long negotiation

that always just ends up with no and

then that like we did it twice and then

danabo tried it on his own a third time

and then that also failed

we tried to make it happen with vosh

multiple times

me wants me a second time someone in the

discord tell me what fauci emails are i

don't know what those are

um obviously he's definitely not gonna

what is fouchy emails

um i think there's not many people i

could get him to

debate um when he does debate it's like

there's

recent stuff with hunter avalon like it

just happened spontaneously

there's not like much that's set up what

do they say

and then obviously you've probably tried

it but have you

i would i would also be curious about

lauren southern

you try to if i oh he was lying i don't

think she'd be interested in like a

round table

or any of that she would be interested

in one-on-one with somebody

um if i could set up a one-on-one with

her and like destiny vosh or

or um anybody like yeah i'd do it um but

the thing is a lot of these people are

just they just for example

there's a lot of people who just like

like completely ignore

these types of requests like stephen

crowder obviously did it for sam cedar

um jackson hinkle uh who's the guy who

debated vosh is doing it for me

uh other people do people just do it all

right i got to defend jason ignore it

so that's what i i'm pretty sure like

definitely when you're a much smaller

content creator that's what most of

these people just do

yeah jackson he's focusing on like um

big kind of like big big influencers you

know like bigger

more people with bigger audiences you

know

yeah yeah i mean i i unders i understand

that

but the thing is that that bothers me is

that if you are somebody who like you

know

is concentrating on like a really

hardcore foreign policy issue and then

you specifically go and talk to people

who like don't know like [ __ ] about form

yeah but you you you but weren't you the

one who prepared vos for that one

i said i'm like he asked for like a few

dm's i gave him a few dms but like

besides that not that much

i mean i i don't know i mean uh like i

just sent him like an article or two i

was like here's like an article that you

give you something

he did get a lot of coaching from like a

few people you know

yeah but how much can you really i mean

that's

like for example let's say i got like

like uh cut sleeves or aircraft or

maddie or any people in this room

and it was like okay tomorrow you're

gonna be debating this person

um i don't know any like person who's i

don't know like read books on foreign

policy

on the korean war and why america

shouldn't have gotten involved or some

random issue like there's only so much

you can do with an

hour like within 24 hours or even a week

and so like i feel like it makes more

sense for like

people who they regularly look into the

stuff to be having conversations rather

than like somebody doing like a

wikipedia

quick search and a bunch of dms so it's

whatever

but i don't at the end i mean one thing

you have to understand about jackson is

that

the place he's coming from over on

youtube is like he's actually working

with like a lot of high level

journalists

and like so he's not really used to

dealing with like

political um twitch

kind of debater people you know a key

those guys that should strengthen the

argument then for getting people who are

more content experts

because if he's more regularly yeah but

um

like a serious journalist then i would

think that the quality of the discussion

would be amplified if he actually had

like

rather than just the big streamers

actually had people on that were more

like dialed in to that specific i mean

it's it's his own personal it's his own

personal choice

i think he just wants to focus more on

people with like bigger audiences

and focus more on like people that he

specifically knows

are yeah and uh i know you're talking

last i was watching your stream last

night i know you're talking about how

you want to attack team at debate and

i would totally that would be pretty

awesome i don't know if you can convince

him to do that that'd be totally cool

jackson you said yeah yeah yeah i could

i think yeah we could do a tag team but

i think we wanted to do

destiny and like david pac-man yeah it

would probably be a bigger yeah

at the end of the day like the thing

that gets me is jackson like did a video

about me like

like saying like this thing about like

aoc's twitter doesn't say much

we do a response we go back and forth

and then it like evaporates

and the whole the whole thing that

started the whole like vosh in him like

whatever

it was me like vosh asked me to come on

i gave him a few comments

about like syria and then i left and

then vosh talked a little bit more

do you think it was in debates vosh but

in his in his mind

yeah but in his mind the whole dispute

because he doesn't know who you are the

whole dispute was like him

i mean he did a video no no what i mean

to say though is that the whole dispute

he just sees you and wash and

he sees you guys like the same people so

for him debating vosh

was like a catch-all for like he bought

in his view vos represented

boss represented like you in a way

because you guys had the same side on

the matter so that's

infrared let's say i debated some like

random person or marxist leninism

and i think i did a good job but boss

has been a random guy vosh is a very

well established

anyone so let's say i debated i don't

know caleb malpin and then i could be

like i don't need to you're doing it

again dylan anyone else dylan you're

doing it again

i think that would be fair i think that

would be fair i wouldn't i wouldn't this

is what you do

he asked you a simple question that's

all and you start going with a different

example

what are you changing i'm being told

just don't contribute look for me i just

think jackson doesn't want to talk to me

because i'm not like a dude who doesn't

know what he's talking about when it

comes to syria i think it's that simple

i mean it could be anything else no

i i no no i've talked to jackson

honestly it's not the reason the reason

is that here he thought in his view

in his mind which i kind of agree with

myself that whole debate was with wash

i don't think he wants to go further i

think he wants to pursue bigger

things now like he that was settled with

lost in his view you know so

that's also how i see it and yeah let's

move on to the next talk before i get uh

yelled at again uh okay so we're gonna

go on to the third topic i think

everyone is back and ready

uh wuhan lab leak and the fauci emails

um we've kind of been doing this topic a

lot i just kind of

wanted to give sort of the latest news i

just kind of read a cnn article today

that said that cnn

from cnn that senior biden officials are

saying that the covet lab leak theory is

as credible as a natural origins

explanation i can give a

link if everybody wants but that's i

think that's sort of where we're at with

it

um so uh we can kind of go

uh into opening statements with that um

i'll go

uh with uh cut sleeve

right so i don't know no one can

specifically know

if the oblique theory is true or not um

and that brings me to my main issue the

main issue is

like the all the secrecy it's the same

thing i said in my first opening

statement

what i'm going to put for in this

platform is less secrecy in our

government because secrecy breeds

corruption

the fact that we don't know whether it's

a weaponization from china or whether it

was an accident

is because of the secrecy so what i'm

going to advocate for is the removal of

the secrecy

of the china government of the us

government of all foreign governments

are you all right uh mr geek

can i go last uh everyone wants to go

last night all right

statements for [ __ ] sakes come on it's

okay uh we'll go to

uh maddie

yeah i think

like whether or not the origin of

the chronovirus was in a lab whether it

was from

um i think what do they call the wet

markets um that china has where you have

all these like live animals being sold

um together and whether it developed

from that or it's like from bats

um while i think like sure

maybe we can dispute where the origins

are but i think that's really

largely a distraction um

and i think the fact that we're even

like debating it

or talking about it or making it this

big deal

is sort of a way for the right-leaning

media to absolve the trump

administration for completely

bungling the handling of the coronavirus

when it first spread

and this is almost like a way for them

to try to retroactively

say oh but you know it was really this

conspiracy from china and it was a lab

leak and that was why all this happened

it's like no

rather regardless of whether or not it

emerged naturally or from a lab leak

that didn't prevent the government from

instituting a national mass mandate

in a timely fashion that didn't prevent

the government from implementing

a massive national tracing program

tracking and tracing program

it didn't prevent the government from

actually taking this uh

pandemic seriously until it came out

that they had to

like whether or not the virus came from

a natural

more natural origin or from a lab leak

doesn't like

over 600 000 americans are still dead

and it had nothing to do

like it was because of the government's

bungling of

like complete [ __ ] show handling

of this virus then coming onto our

borders so

i mean we can debate whether or not it

came from what's it or wherever or

whether it's a conspiracy but at the end

of the day

like i think it's all just a distraction

to prevent um

like to try to absolve the trump

administration and government or uh

republicans largely

from their handling of the pandemic

get her done all right let's go to

aircraft sparky

wow that was a nuclear take okay so

when it comes down to it lab league

theory was plausible from the get-go we

have found that with the fouchy emails

um look i'm old enough to remember a

time when

china was producing radioactive drywall

putting lead paint on children's toys

look incompetency

and rushing to develop a product

is the chinese way it's all about that

wand baby

um so when people go oh well that's

misinformation because

you know uh there's no proof well here's

the deal

it's a theory it's an idea it's a hey

this could have happened

and at the end of the day we're talking

about a country that has literally came

out and said

we are going to up our nuclear weapons

if you get into investigating this

that right there is screaming nothing

but guilt was it

was it meant to be a weapon no that that

that's a little ridiculous of

considering

quality control in in china is not well

known to exist um when it comes down to

it

that this shouldn't be political at all

but for some reason it is

uh maddie kings wants to talk about

something about how we want to how we

should have instituted

an immediate mass mandate across the

country there's this little thing called

the constitution that gets in the way

that's the reason why that didn't happen

uh look i i will sit there and say that

yes the trump administration did bungle

uh the handling of the coronavirus um

uh response and um

but i think my response would have been

different

in a way now we were dealing with

something that no one understood at the

time it was a brand new disease it was a

novel disease

uh but for some reason this has become

political

look the chinese they're prone to make

mistakes just like anyone else

when you rush things bad things happen

china is

china has a good track record of rushing

a lot of things and bad things happening

because of

sars anyone remember that

bird flu yeah that's all china and

amazingly enough it all

originates around the wuhan area now

did it come from a wet market i've been

all over europe i've been all over asia

i've seen

several wet markets i've seen a lot of

um

pretty unsanitary things but it didn't

result in a world pandemic

that doesn't mean that it could not come

from that mind you

i i will admit i don't know where it

came from

but the fact that immediately when

people started talking about ideas of

lab leak the media

the government was all like let's not go

there

why that that's that's what i think is

more important is why

are we allowing our government to bow to

another government i think that's the

true problem

and thank you no thank you

uh let's go to dylan so i think

um honestly and this is probably going

to be the one time in history me and

hans see eye to eye on something

uh i think this is just the auspices and

the

and the a lot of it's the drum beating

from a lot of people on the right

not based on the legitimacy of if this

happened but for a new cold war with

china

and that this is something of the drum

beat of the media

and of a lot of established powers

trying to beat the drums

because they want to heighten relations

with the other person that might create

a poly uh

poly uh what's a not a unipolar world

and make it a multipolar world

and destroy that and that scares a lot

of people and that honestly

is what i believe a lot of this comes

from that's one side of it on the other

side

is it a possibility i'm not a scientist

it could be and it seems from the

articles and all the information i've

looked at

that it seems to be being uh needing

more eyes now than ever

but nothing i've seen has indicated to

me

somebody who isn't a scientist that this

theory is at all more legitimate

than the natural origins theory which

has been respected for a lot longer

periods of time

and i think now it shouldn't be a period

of time where we're like well no this is

the thing that we know this is the way

it happened

we this is people trying to find a

conclusion

that they ideologically agreed with not

them trying to find where's the actual

origin

is it natural is it uh from a lab is it

from this

it feels like a lot of people trying to

find whatever ending

whatever source this came from that they

ideologically agree with so they can

point the the

the finger at china instead of

internally

for the mistakes of the trump

administration which led to the deaths

of 600 000

working and god-fearing americans and so

yeah that's how i view it um so

besides the idea of this like whether

this theory has legitimacy

i feel the framing of recent scientific

developments

have been pretty dangerous cool

thanks uh let's go to ctv

well it's obvious can you see it

can you see it or are you lost

in the forest and you can't see the

trees because of the forest

that's the question you gotta ask

yourself whenever we're talking about a

man-made virus right escaping from a lab

right the question asking yourself is

should we be allowing scientists the

ability to be able to do something that

they can't do this kind of goes back to

the

idea of jurassic park right

just because you can do a thing doesn't

mean you should do a thing and

the condescension from those that are in

power and those that are in governments

or those that are in corporations

speaking down from on high to us

poor people down here as if we can't

understand the complexities of some of

these ideas

it's quite frankly those types of things

that cause revolutions

right so what really needs to happen

is we need to know exactly where this

thing came from we need to know

how this thing spread and we need to

understand that like

pointing to one administration

is only just being short-sighted if you

really want to understand what was going

on you got to look worldwide

right you've got to start

taking some real ownership of what you

are allowing to happen by way

of your government because there are

people out there that may not understand

that the thing that they are just trying

to accomplish

they're just focused on whether or not

they can do a thing they're not actually

focused on whether or not they

should right so we'll see where this

conversation goes

we will certainly see uh let's go to

haas

um i think that

a question of whether this virus was

man-made

should be investigated but i think both

sides have not

actually been paying attention to the

more probable

question that deserves more attention

which is

why is there an assumption that

given the fact that in july of 2019

there's a very bizarre shutdown at the

u.s uh

institute for the investigation

sorry the institute of infectious uh

diseases

uh there was a rise of uh so-called

e-cigarette

vaping product use lung injuries

there was an early flu season and

furthermore in march of 2019

the virus was detected in the sewers of

barcelona in spain

i just think that uh

people aren't paying enough attention to

fort detrick

now i agree with dylan that

the wuhan specifically the wuhan lab

leak is being used

for a new cold war against china that's

why we see establishment media

uh jon stewart and all these people

peddling this theory that's why biden is

starting to ease into peddling this

theory

and i think it's a distraction from the

fact that there's a high probability or

at least

uh it's worth investigating whether this

virus

originated from the us military

um i don't i'm not really convinced that

it originated in wuhan i think that

it was just first discovered in wuhan by

chinese scientists

cool thank you uh let's go do redneck

i find it hilarious that our

linenist actually has the research

showing 2019.

that's what i was going to say dylan's

such a dylan is

mentioned you know he's a foreign policy

expert yet he immediately rejects any

kind of

look into china and their atrocities

that were going on

in their own countries like with the

uyghurs and the uprising of

westernization for hong kong

and for uh beijing you know they were

having riots in the streets

this call goes back to like oh don't

forget about the athletes who all got

sick in china in 2019 that they kind of

walked into the rug with these same

symptoms

whether this was man-made or out of the

lab i'm more of the

i've said it a year ago i believe this

is a lab leak and it's man-made now

we're seeing that fauci even admitted

that

there was no uh i forget the scientific

term

uh that they used to bring uh to enhance

uh something i forget what that what he

called he claimed that there was none of

that going on but yet in the nih and in

his own emails he says we gotta get in

front of this

we got to say no this ain't happening

secrecies in our government

this is bad and the fact is is that

600 000 people die every year of a cold

flu that starts out in eastern asia

every year we lose upwards of almost 700

000 actually

from attributed sicknesses based around

lung

circulation um all of these side effects

they want to call attributers or

pre-existing conditions i for one suffer

from two of them

i got coven i for sure thought it was

man-made but it isn't gonna

sway me any other way of thinking i

don't believe that government can do

anything for us

and i think that's where we have a big

delta here

two of you are arguing that it's one

side of our government it's all their

fault

is it competence it was they could have

done something better

i'm gonna wait for our conversation for

both of you to prove

please tell me what any government could

have done to prevent the deaths from

happening

please right away i mean as soon as it

was launched i'm going to wait for y'all

to tell me that during elle's

banter what any government could do

about a weapon that's been released and

or

a natural illness that comes out of the

blue what can you do when you have no

history of it

right no history of it right this was a

brand new disease right

i'm just saying people let's think past

the little things in front of us the

little

low-hanging fruit and quit going one

side of the other because it doesn't

it that game's not going to work tonight

at all

and everybody's ready to go we have one

more mr geek uh

real quick just to be sure does the rule

apply that

the last time we can talk about the

topic is during the opening of the next

one

correct i didn't say that but everyone

say it i'm sorry but that's true that's

usually how these work

everyone's alright yeah you have to know

the rule all right

first of all yes i'm a frenchie but i

love america most of the people i talk

to on a daily basis

live there that's why i care about the

election and the claim of voter fraud

if the idea that your country basically

has stopped being your democracy and

you're under dictatorship

i think that's important it affects the

life of people like kyoba

some people say that um sorry i'm trying

to

spill run into this some people brought

up uh that we have

the idea in france yes we do but what

does that have to do with voter fraud

again butter fraud butter idea doesn't

stop butterfly

okay that's it for this no one last

thing

how can you talk about the freedom of my

country where we literally just spent

one hour arguing about how your country

almost became a dictatorship so please

and see you on the fifth wave

okay circumstantial evidence

is literally [ __ ] i don't care about

what you heard i don't care about like

one employee missing

from one lab or some [ __ ] like this what

i care about is real evidence

we need for the to find them we need to

look at the virus

and everyone who looked at it found no

evidence

of of men alteration if you want

so when you design something you tend to

give it a purpose

and that's what scientists check when

they look at the virus

and so far they have found not zero

evidence that

men intervened at any point

that's it scientists get paid

to do research all right uh let's start

with dylan because

peer review okay yeah someone does

understand that

you get paid to find something yeah all

right that's good

to find out what's what you're paying

they're paying for dylan

it's still on time stop fun banks you

having the fun banks

lovely lovely okay so

i first i want to respond to the idea

that

i i said i was a sim for the chinese

communist partisan party as a joke

um i don't think anybody can construe my

political positions

as a operation to cover up what's going

up

going on in xinjiang or what's going on

in hong kong

in fact redneck you can i'm getting a

horrible echo i might be cut sleeve okay

yeah good okay

in fact redneck if you go to my youtube

channel right now

i uploaded a video literally four days

ago

that talked about an old interview

between um uh

some journalists from al jazeera and uh

former translation former translators

for deng xiaopig

that was covering about what's going on

in xinjiang

and what was going on in hong kong

that's four days old

so you cannot claim that i'm doing this

as some weird simpage

for the chinese company i'm using what

you did in the past year and a half bro

your your streams over the past year and

a half what about

everybody have condemned everybody that

said it was

look i don't know what you're look my

streams trust me my streams have never

been

look i think infrared can attest to this

that i am not known

for my extremely favorable views of the

chinese

government nobody on this platform could

ever construe that about me i simply

don't want to send my

of my countrymen into a point but you're

taking the side of china over america

but they

no you are insane right now i want to

send

my countrymen into a pointless cold war

with another great power

i would rather us continue to trade and

continue to develop

ties and continue to have decent

relations if possible but you didn't

agree on

terrorism right and that's right do i

agree with that which tariffs do

you didn't agree with the tariffs that

trump had on china did yes because those

tariffs were ineffectual in doing what

trump wanted them to do

his tariffs were to bring back the

american steel manufacturers you want to

know what it did

it didn't in fact if you compared

economic growth

at the time to just the steel industry

in the united states

economic growth for the rest of the

economy vastly outpaced

what was going on with with steel

manufacturing and if you look yeah but

don't you

understand that let me finish i'm

responding to like redneck multiple

times yeah but you're using that

but you can't you steal there you'll get

it we're talking about the steel i'm

talking about trump's terrorists no

you're going down in one little rabbit

hole the whole thing was still trade

period okay you said tariffs oh my god

but many tariffs

i'm not gonna look this is what i say

you do this is what you do

if someone what you do if i supported a

military operation you'd have to tell me

which military operation

yes i supported fighting the nazis no i

did not support the war in iraq

right like you would have to tell me

which tariff

can we can we put this back on the world

track um i have odd responses

back on the track cut sleeve yeah um so

actual

responses to the topic um to matty

kick's point if this is a uh

see she says this is a distraction for

cover-up from trump

i mean i have two responses for this

like one this is not a distraction

this is not a cover-up for trump i don't

think anyone's saying because

this thing came out of china trump you

know

it altered somehow trump's response to

the covet theory no one's saying that

especially on this panel but two trump's

gone i mean

finds a president now i don't know why

we're still talking about trump

but here's why it matters it's not an

attraction people are actually getting

censored

on youtube on social media or having

these views i mean

it's real um and then mr geek says that

there's no evidence

well there's plenty of evidence right um

18 scientists has already said

these scientists come from washington

yale uh ivy league schools

like these scientists have already and

it's been backteched by

the washington post and backed by fauci

that there are potential

causes for the weaponization of

coronavirus right

it's called um i don't know what it i

don't i forgot what it's called

when weaponized a virus but china did

this already with kelvin

with a covey they did it with cobit one

so it's not a stretch to say that they

would do again gain a function

you were this here's the question though

who gains more from the coronavirus uh

crisis is it china which was already

flourishing beforehand or is it the

american liberal deep state

it's big that's what i think too i think

it's the american

uh deep state and big corporations who

had the most to gain from this virus

because they're the ones

who have who feel that they need to

change

america and society as extremely as they

do whereas china has been flourishing

and china

didn't need this virus um china handled

the virus

in its own way even if i agree that's

the case it doesn't mean that like

that's a reason a motive that's no i

agree but i just

wonder why are people not paying

attention to what happened at fort

detrick why

why has this not been investigated for

dietrich yeah for

example yes yeah new jersey like

like you point out uh the deep state and

the corporatists right so like i'm with

you they all support communism

right this is where

that doesn't i would i would i would

have to oh

okay go ahead

that was beautiful that was beautiful

see tv all four of them were like ah

all right see tv finishing house i mean

that right there is the point right it's

like they all support communism that's

what they're on about right so they're

like when you come in

right now and you start the conversation

oh yeah i'm a communist

and then you point like at the very

ideology that they support and they are

attempting to prop

up and not just in one area but in

multiple

areas then like it becomes obvious

that that side needs to have some type

of muzzle put on it

because what needs to happen is people

need to get back to the ideas of freedom

and you know open entrepreneurship

right instead of this you know we're

going to nationalize everything

and then by way of nationalization we're

going to undercut all of the

the small business owners that actually

keep this country running and that's

what makes us

inherently different than anywhere else

in the world

uh well okay so there is a grain of

truth

in what you say that they support

communism because we can record from

history

that many of the trotskyists who fled

the soviet union

ended up in pretty uh after they were

ex-trossias basically ended up in pretty

powerful positions

in the american government and in

american intelligence and so on

so i kind of understand that but the

issue is is that

whether they are secretly communist or

not is irrelevant

they have always been enemies

of the actual communist states in the

world

and uh they have been responsible for

deceiving the american people

about the nature of uh soviet union and

today's china

and we can very clearly see that the

deep state

they are unanimous in beating the drums

of war

in demonizing and spreading lies about

china

um the biden administration is even is

an even

more aggressive enemy of china than even

trump was trump met with g

and trump trump's goal basically i'm not

a

don't support trump i don't like trump

but his kind of shtick was

well we want to help american

manufacturing we want to give the

american worker

some jobs back from the chinese

perspective they didn't really have a

big issue with this that's why in china

they used to call trump

comrade trump because the chinese hate

the liberals more than they hate

trump because the chinese uh appreciate

how trump wanted to focus on america

instead of waging a global crusade

against uh all these foreign countries

china included the chinese want what's

best for china

and if americans want what's best for

america i think this

would be good for america china

relations because they'll they would

understand that

and regarding entrepreneurship in this

issue of nationalism reviewing off topic

but i agree with you entrepreneurship is

a great thing there's a very

huge flourishing uh entrepreneurship

that exists in china today so i think

there's a information barrier and i

think

one should have an open mind and

investigate more

that many of these views are just

misconceptions promoted by the very same

corporate deep state yeah but it just

seems like all you'd be doing is trading

one corporate deep you know

corporate slash deep state right with

giving that deep state complete

authoritarian

control in order to achieve a utopia

that quite frankly is not achievable

and this is evidenced by china's uh

their military actions against taiwan

every year they go out

but this would be like against taiwan

right but this would be like if

i were to really want to do is to be

left alone

we waged the civil war when the south

seceded we waged the civil war

taiwan has always been part of china so

this would be like if the south seceded

from america

no it hasn't happened legitimate china

for many centuries it was part of china

it was it was the british and it was

colonial interventions and then it was

the chinese

even though it wasn't there was a big

political movement that happened inside

of china

it's chinese civil war you're right but

both sides both sides agreed there's

only one

china and taiwan's a part of that china

they just disagreed about who rules that

you wouldn't have a problem with taiwan

being the only legitimate recognized

government

of china then right if they can win the

support of the chinese people sure but

they haven't the majority of the chinese

people

are for uh the people's republic of

china government

so so your solution then to the people

in hong kong would be what exactly

the chinese government is accommodating

toward

the political wishes of them to govern

how they want but they cannot secede

and let their allow themselves to be a

military base for foreign countries to

be against china if they want to have

their political system and their

policies

china doesn't care as long as you don't

try and secede

and say that this is not part of the

chinese nation i could go off

i really don't want to deviate from the

question

um should we go back to the like i can

talk about like

in hong kong we can have your hands up

yeah redneck and spark you're wearing a

ghost spot

i guess we're talking about wuhan hong

kong that's a new topic got it

go ahead spark okay thank you uh so

so first of all when it comes down to it

uh hans are you uh

huh am i saying you're right your name

is uh paws

paws okay during houses opening

statement he he decided that he wanted

to actually implicate the united states

military

uh with the the creation of the

coronavirus um

uh i need a sauce on that i'm sorry uh

uh just a little tweet from xi jinping

is not going to be enough

uh we all know that it originated in

china

that is why there was such a uh

brilliant

campaign to ensure that anyone who

called it the wuhan virus the chinese

virus

the wu flu or anything like that uh well

they got put back in their place uh to

actually claim that the united states

military would actually do something

knowingly that could possibly get out

and actually harm the american people

itself

it's ludicrous the best and personally

quite offensive but that's okay man i

get it

um when when your actual wanted

governmental structure actually takes

people out in the shadows and caps them

in the back of the head

i guess all governments the u.s

government is on record doing that many

times in history i'm not saying military

people did this

not against our citizens yes we actually

certainly have against their own

citizens yes they have because i

the only time during the obama

administration

20th century the the u.s government the

high-level intelligence organizations

had no regard for the sanctity of

american citizens lives this many times

they did uh take as

adverbar taking people from the shadows

and uh capping them it's done it's been

happened many times

i mean but to sit there and say it was

the military

well it's not military most military

people

would never do this but at high high

levels of uh intelligence where there's

a disconnect from the military

uh rank and file in most military people

yeah i think it's very plausible

i mean don't you think that there is a

deep state that uh

oh no no there is i used to work i used

to work for it and with it

because i worked in the ic for quite a

while yeah it's part of that's part of

my military experience

but when it comes down to it uh most of

those people most i will

qualify that um generally has the best

the the best um for the american people

and they do things for the american

people not for the deep state itself

but for the american people that's

that's another topic all together the

idea

that lab leak not being considered an

actual

thing and for it to have been censored

as roughly as it has

so for the past year or so actually

gains it more legitimacy

because people tend to shut down the

speech they fear the most

and that's really you shut this down

because this is dangerous

no no i agree i actually i actually

agree i'm against

i'm against shutting down speech so i

agree with you i'm against shutting down

speech but i have an

open honest question if it originated in

wuhan

why did we find traces uh why is there

so much mystery around the

why is there so much evidence that the

virus actually

was circulating in places outside of

china function

gain a function was being done in in

fort detrick and in wuhan

under the nih funding

hold on this needs

lab in china was visited by uh american

uh scientists uh connected to the

winnipeg lag in canada

multiple times in 2018 and 2019 so how

do we know that

they weren't doing something under

undercover and wuhan

without the chinese we know where to

show that all right

we have completely like went into

speculation and everybody

would have to admit that this is just

complete speculation like

could there be an investigation sure has

to be the investigation no

what would we find we have no clue and

so i just want to make sure that nobody

in here is going to make any conclusions

based on like pure speculation it's the

same thing when it comes to the wuhan

lab

i personally want to ask where i think

it came from i tell you

honestly i don't know i don't know where

it came from

all evidence from what i've seen it says

that it looks like it originated in

china

where it originated in china whether it

was naturally occurring or developed in

a lab

i want to i will just respect whatever

the majority of scientists

point to because they're the studies

professionals on the issue for the

longest time we've been

sticking with the natural occurring uh

story for a while

and it seems that recently the lab leak

has got more attention

i just want to make sure that we don't

go off into well let's do an

investigation here we saw some weird

stuff here so let's make conclusions

based off that

or let's make or this says this theory

the lab leak theory

it seems to have given a little bit much

respectability so now that it has a tiny

bit more

a crumb more of respectability now

that's what happened

that is what happened i know it i've

always believed it this is ridiculous

okay all right none of us on this panel

are studied medical experts

and so we should go with the medical

consensus and just a quick deviation

um when it comes to taiwan uh it is

simple for me

uh that i believe that a government gets

its consent from the government and the

majority of

people in taiwan want to be its own

separate

project separate governmental project

from the uh

mainland then i believe it should have

that right to be so it is what about the

south's right to secede from the union

during the civil war for [ __ ] actually

let me be consistent i believe that

peoples

have rights to succeed if tomorrow

california the south had no right let me

let me

let me finish let me finish if

california tomorrow

they voted and they said we don't want

to be part of the united states i would

say

fine now i believe there are certain

things that you could succeed for which

are completely immoral reasons to

perpetuate

certain systems that are so oppressive

so horrible that i don't believe that is

your morality

why is your morality superior to the

chinese morality

who's going to decide what's moral and

what's not immoral to succeed for

all right can i just say look i think

this is super i think this is super

interesting but like we only have 30

minutes and i think we should probably

keep like trying to stay on

one topic all right so i'm gonna throw

it to rednecks and a red x been

wanted raring to go and then geek and

then cut slaves maddie get more

maddie get more tinfoil um bottom line

is this

if any of you guys have served i i would

love for the

for dylan's research people to actually

you know go into

reddit into the non-lefty areas and

actually just look at the military ones

don't even look at the right or left uh

look go into the military

uh go in there and look at what's up

[ __ ] reddit

i'm telling you i'm making a [ __ ]

joke just listen and be quiet

punch your mic on mute for a minute and

just hush you guys seem to always look

for these

oh we need to follow science because a

majority of scientists are saying this

yet five years ago majorities the

scientists were saying that

transgenderism was a mental disorder

you don't want that [ __ ] to come back do

you let's go past that one

[ __ ] scientists get paid they get

paid by corporations to come up with

things that the corporation needs

that the corporation wants out of its

society danny [ __ ] three out of

a hundred will say covet is a [ __ ]

none man it's it's natural

in order so if that's the case what are

they doing to fix it

what can they do to fix it all they can

do is study it that means that all these

lockdowns against our personal freedoms

we're based off of what

a way to create a communistic regime

take away our civil liberties out of

fear

make everybody wear a mask i've sat on

panels with you dylan and a prime

case and about [ __ ] ton others bitching

at me about no vaccine and no mass

[ __ ] y'all i'm still that way and i

still believe that every bit of the

covet i believe every bit of this cove

on thing was man-made it was leaked i

believe our nh nih had something to do

with it

i do believe they were they were doing

gain of function in a military capacity

if you want to be altruistic and say oh

they were only trying to learn how to

combat these viruses every year

because they come out of southeast asia

every year then i'll go with you on that

one but it still came out of southeast

asia

i've got to be super strict about this

we go geek and then cut sleeve and then

we can go to heisen dylan that's the

only way this

this can can work at this point so geek

all right first of all

thank you for showing that you don't

understand how science work at all

science doesn't work by

the majority of things that therefore it

happens there's a process called peer

review

in which basically you send your data to

other scientists who are going to review

it yeah

and just like you and if they reach and

if they reach

keeps keep swallowing because okay

you know better than all scientists

that's a

second thing okay uh second thing

everything that i've heard so far in

favor of like

trying to to push the lab leak or main

main theory

is literally the god of the gap it's

literally oh okay so

what about like this event that happened

i don't know okay but what about this

event and like you're crafting this like

like you're putting [ __ ] together

basically of putting stories together

to craft like a narrative that at the

end doesn't matter

the only thing why are they trying to

keep us from saying anything that you

need to look

for the virus is the virus you look at

its structure you look at the backbone

you see if it was modified or not and

that's how you can determine

and so far all the scientists who have

done this find

no evidence that it was modified by men

okay cut sleep please go yeah

so geek is right in a sense there's no

evidence about

the specific virus um but that's for two

reasons

one is because china won't tell us right

and then that's a poor question

the virus again because even

even if there's no evidence about the

virus there's evidence

outside of the virus that makes the

circumstances likely

that china has like like you know it

doesn't

yeah yes okay okay so if jimmy steals

from

say you have a cookie jar of four and

he's stolen three in the past month so

january

he's still cooking february he steals a

cookie uh

the third month comes i forgot what it

was he steals a cookie when april comes

around

we found the cookie there's nothing

about the cookie that suggests that jim

has stolen right

because just analyzing the cookie you

won't get any evidence

from it we have to analyze the

circumstances around the country that's

not an apt comparison

if you want a comparison it's like if

all of your cookies are missing

and one day your bike is missing that's

literally what you're doing

unless you can show me a new story of

virus being like

like like that's like no no first kobet

that's that that was like that was uh

weaponized

by china and all conservatives are

saying is

that might have happened with this virus

like it's literally a one-on-one

analogous to the cookie situation

because china has done this with kobe

before

that's a proven fact where

show me i want to see that from this

proven fact they have weaponized

token one but what was it called i keep

forgetting the name

um what was it someone helped me out

when he like weaponized the virus by

like evolving it rapidly

i'm going to say it's so sorry it didn't

happen i'm sorry i'm done with the

[ __ ] like

so so many like yeah but you're already

saying

let's move on without like anything

provided

they have gained hang on hang on what is

what

geek what gives you the [ __ ] moral

authority go i'm [ __ ] done with this

you guys are all

you're crazy okay i'll tell you what

let's let's do backing up your clothes

hang on hang on i'm gonna ask you one

question

okay [ __ ] it all it's natural it's

natural geek it's natural

what the [ __ ] can a government do to fix

it when it happened

tell me one thing that the government

has done that would be a minute from

[ __ ] spreading no no

i go next i'm asking to eat i'm asking

geek

all right snacks after that all right

i just one question

he has no [ __ ] answer i just ended up

because nobody has an answer

holy holy he all right if i could if i

could

just back up something um sorry your

name is red

red red if i could back up something you

said i think people missed this this is

an important point

so if you're saying trust the scientific

consensus let me ask you a question

there was a time about 100 years ago in

which the scientific consensus

in america was eugenics scientific

racism

all of that stuff and there were people

who rejected that

despite what the scientists were saying

so i don't think scientists are gods

and you have to listen to whatever

planned parenthood no and

you have to listen and you have to

listen to whatever they say without any

criticism i think people should be

thinking critically thinking

independently

do not do not blindly trust uh

institutions second of all this whole

thing about how it could have been

handled

i actually don't think it was trump's

fault i think

it was just america in general was

even if we had a liberal president we

still would have seen all of the same

problems

maybe trump made it worse i can concede

to that

but ultimately america was not prepared

for this virus the nature of our society

makes it so that

we just cannot coordinate and organize

at like the level of south korea or

these asian countries or whatever where

we can just kind of have this

social cohesion to be able to respond to

viruses and have you know

uh harmonious lacta is just i don't i

think they're i think

politicizing it was a little bit dumb in

my view so that's my thank you

thank you dylan's time to go

okay sorry okay so my answer if like

what could we have done

well trump was in for one year uh

actually

for a few years three well let me know

so you get to listen thank you rita

repulsa i mean maddie

a good thing that we could have done was

restock ppe

that would have made that a lot of

medical facilities were more prepared

for what was coming

the stuff like for example his like um

travel ban from china

was pointless his travel bans period

were pointless and the reason why

is if you do travel bans and then you

don't use the time that you're gonna buy

by doing enacting those travel bans

to actually like stock up and get people

ready then all you're doing is delaying

the inevitable

and that's what the united states did we

delayed the inevitable we didn't restock

on ppe

we didn't have a medical infrastructure

that was completely prepared we

are we experimented

it was inevitable in a lot of ways that

we we would fail if you don't use that

time

if we don't use time that we buy by

doing travel bans

to stock up and get prepared then it's

inevitable that those

travel bans end up being pointless dylan

what country prevented deaths from

kovacs well nobody is country

nobody is assessing that nobody is

stating that there was going to be no

deaths we could have reduced the deaths

by taking better policies

yeah i don't think there's no we don't

you think that there was no matter what

really nothing we could have done i

don't i believe everything it was i

believe

everything that we've done

everyone's talking at the same time that

means it's important

okay ppe is one thing we could have done

that is something that could have been

really good if we had that stocked up

beforehand another thing

proven not to work is have it

what wait what that's just completely

what are you talking about how is people

like actually proving not to work that's

why

they said that virgins there's been

scientists that said that

it doesn't prevent from people

no no source that source that ppe

thank you please please that's not what

i said all right wait deep breath

okay

i i thought yeah i did i i'm sorry i

wasn't thinking all right let's leave

please go

uh thank you so as the uh adult in the

room i'm

i'm joking but um specifically um

to the point mr jack right um

so the word i was looking for was gang

unfortunately that's basically

weaponizing the virus evolving it

quickly

uh evolving it you know irregularly to

see how the to test the limits of the

virus uh trying to deal with code one

and that's a fact and another fact is

that

to taking consideration is that china

has

made a lot of this information

privatized

they have disclosed almost nothing to

other foreign countries

those are two facts so what you have is

a country who doesn't share any

information and has done the same thing

that we're claiming

has evidence to do in the past right

they've done the same thing so my

question to you is like

if this thing is completely debunked why

is fauci

now getting into it why is the

washington reporter at washington post

co-signing articles with verified

scientists

saying that this theory could be

plausible like why are these scientists

like getting into it

all right gig please respond right first

of all

uh since you provided no evidence i'm

not required to so

that's the fact that all of what you say

is [ __ ] that's it and yes

until i see evidence for what you just

say like the idea

that kavid was like weaponized in the

first place

i don't care about that i'm not going to

address it i just wanted to address

uh two things one thing mostly

science is the only tool we have to

measure reality

[ __ ] not true

i don't want to go into philosophy or

science please uh okay

because i actually know i actually know

about it when i see people like

talk about this and they don't know the

philosophy of science it's kind of

pathetic

every day i'm sorry i'm speaking right

we get new data every day yeah

like yeah

you're not answering my question my

question is like why are these

scientists

like co-signing on the theory if it's

just

completely debunked

i have no idea what the [ __ ] you're

talking about you've provided no link so

far so i don't care

okay that's just going to loop uh let's

go to matty then the sparky

yeah so um first of all i don't i made

this hat because i'm giving this

like discussion the seriousness it

deserves um

we're all lizard people um tupac is

alive etc etc

but what i came here to say is this i

actually in my chat right now i have

um a scientist who studies viruses

and like he's been [ __ ] maulding

over people's interpretation of the

coronavirus and what

well then bring him on

and bring him on bring him on

on this entire [ __ ] topic so you can

sit there and let me [ __ ] finish

i made a [ __ ] hat waiting so here's

the thing

like it's i feel like i did

cuckoo banana pants in here people

talking about like conspiracies and this

here's the thing we talked about oh well

it was proven that uh

china released covet one i believe

you're referring to

um the one that happened in 2003 that

over a 14-year investigation was proven

false

that it was from nature it wasn't from

china releasing it like

uh maliciously so like we can just toss

that out the [ __ ] window

and second of all like the the notion

that like oh but there's this big

conspiracy and like it's the

the corporate cabal it's it is cuckoo

banana pants

and like i i i the fact that p

everyone here is like uh echo chambering

being like yes no that's a very

i too have done my research into this

it's like

have you have you done your research

because like

and then the whole thing about science

where it's like oh well science used to

believe this science used to believe

this yeah so here's the whole thing

about the scientific method and how we

approach it is that like

science comes up with hypotheses that

they then test and they look for

correlations that then would provide

some sort of path forward for how to

treat things and that's why we've been

able to make the advances that we have

which is why scientific consensus

especially when it's based

in peer review studied eugenics that

there's a reason for that

okay listen thank you okay i can also

scream [ __ ] random

you're on the list let me [ __ ] finish

yeah and so

i don't know it's just so [ __ ] stupid

and you want to ask well how can we

prevent deaths from covet

uh want to know what countries had the

lowest death rate the lowest fashion

i'm not done i'm not done just focus on

the road while i'm doing this and then

you don't have to listen to that's the

right [ __ ] questions

okay listen so like i want to talk about

okay well what would be a good approach

to prevent deaths

there are so many examples of other

countries that did a much better job

than the united states of preventing

infection and preventing spread

isolating the virus

and then preventing hospitalizations and

deaths countries like new zealand

like australia like canada like uh

taiwan like south korea

like japan like vietnam there's

literally

a [ __ ]

but that's so fascinating i'll just be

sure to let them know in my next i said

like those other world countries

this is me [ __ ] weighing in my dude

so listen like again

this is so [ __ ] stupid i we might as

well be debating the

the likelihood that our president is

actually a lizard person coming in from

the center of the earth to take over and

sell the earth to mars so that's what i

think and this is so stupid

and i'm flabbergasted

also i'm good at heart you still wear a

mask i bet you wear a mask don't you we

will go to aircraft sparky

who will hopefully respond to the cuckoo

banana pants argument then to dylan

well what about what because i gotta

respond to that and then how's

after sorry best hat best hat on the

stream maddie

maddie love it um look um

the cuckoo banana pants part um look

everyone has their own i want to be here

thank you

uh look as far as i'm concerned look my

whole theory on it is i'm not saying it

did happen in the lab i'm saying it is

quite possible it does make sense

mistakes happen look i'm not saying it

was done out of any type of

maliciousness

i will never go through the point of

claiming something is weaponized without

proof

the way you weaponize a virus takes a

lot of drying

takes a lot of oh that's difficult to do

it it is not something that is easy it's

it

this isn't like you're like your great

great great great great great great

great great granddaddy's biological

weapon

weaponry where we just put some scabs

and some blankets and handed some people

um look the way warfare is and

everything

i really hate the idea of anyone

suggesting that it was possibly

weaponized

i believe this was out of sheer

incompetence uh

i don't know if it occurred naturally

there are scientists that will claim

that for it to have evolved as fast as

it has

it would be statistically impossible in

a natural scenario however

there's others that that contradict this

look

science is not done by

oh the majority of scientists agree with

this look in the 50s there was doctors

who was actually saying smoking was good

for christ's sakes

so please stop worshiping at the idol of

my daddy science

use a little bit of common sense use a

little bit of historical reference to

see what is actually going on

and uh look make up the mind for

yourself it's not

my job to tell you how to think i'm just

here to tell my opinion

and uh geek every time when someone's

asked me for for some sources

i've been putting them up in the chat uh

up in um

up in the speakeasy um so look at at

least i've been trying to provide some

stuff

uh look uh ladies and gentlemen this is

this is frustrating uh look

cut at least come legitimate at least

come with your your honest

to god beliefs and look um i've

only worn a mask when it was required by

my job but i did do things like i don't

know avoid people

stuff like that just because it does

make sense wearing masks does

work in tight spaces to a point

okay it's all about limiting spittle and

you know that kind of stuff to say that

they completely do not work ah that's

that's inaccurate at best um somebody

said that thank you

no no you did not say that but it was

way it was worded could be taken that

way you've got to be got to be precise

right thank you okay

thank you right now we're going we're

nearly out of time uh would everybody be

cool just doing closing statements and

putting your final thoughts on those

uh yeah but i have five points that i'll

put in there

okay okay okay well we'll start with

with has

okay first five first point calling

something crazy is not an argument

second of all uh i don't think anyone's

interested in the scientist chatter

they're not on the panel so their

opinion doesn't matter um

scientific institutions have never been

uncritically accepted

by the brilliant contributors and

innovators in science if they just

accepted consensus

there would have never been any actual

real progress in science

uh don't act like the consensus model of

scientific truth

is god's spoken word because you clearly

know nothing about the philosophy of

science

it's a very controversial viewpoint it

by no means is some kind of

religious truth fourth scientists don't

have a monopoly i'm talking about the

origins of kovid

because the motivations and operational

capabilities of deep state actors etc

is outside the realm of virology okay so

we're not even talking about

viruses and the nature of viruses we're

talking about something that's outside

of the scope of so-called scientific

experts and the notion that individuals

can't criticize

institutional narratives is actually

extremely dangerous it promotes

institutional stagnation and allows

those in power

to have zero accountability in the name

of hiding behind scientific experts we

just have to listen to the

experts right fifth why were there so

many mixed messages

about masks and lockdowns in the

beginning stages of the viruses outbreak

by fouchy and those in power

they were demonizing china for wearing

masks and having lockdowns but suddenly

america in an emergency situation had to

adopt it themselves so

why should the american people trust

these experts when the first thing they

did was demonize china for the

preventative measures china was doing

and all china's a dystopian horrible you

know orwellian state that's what the

people in power the liberals were saying

who were against trump

so i think both sides of the aisle

political aisle deserve blame

for how covet was handled in america and

i think for uh

talking about new zealand and australia

and wherever else is completely

irrelevant because those are different

societies

and also their islands okay but if that

doesn't matter they're completely

different societies than

american society so politicizing it in

the first place is a complete waste of

time

that's my closing statement that's all

yeah but also other

close and closing statements also has if

you want to shop this is like the final

thing so if you want to shout yourself

your channel uh and all that stuff out

too you can uh twitch.tv slash infrared

show

thank you uh let's go to dylan

so i i want to say that that the

majority of the last 30-40 minutes has

just been

li science is a liar sometimes it's a

[ __ ] right it's no different

than the always sunny skit it's the it's

the same argument

no one is arguing that oh scientists

said it

therefore just accept it simply at that

point

we when i i thought this was implied

with it that it also came with peer

review

for example infrared brought up the fact

of well what about eugenics that was

considered scientific consensus for a

good period of time

that is true but then when the 1935 peer

review panel by the carnegie institution

and concluded that the eugenic research

office was basically doing

nothing of merit four years later it

lost all of its funding

after the peer review and the critical

analysis from other great minds and

science

that's when eugenics started to meet the

wayside

eugenics was proven to be an irreparable

of a reputable side of science that had

no backing

and after peer review came out after

they analyzed the facts

that's when eugenics fell to the wayside

infrared can like doubt or laugh

i don't know maybe infrared is you i

can't i can't respond because it's

closing statements so what is what it is

then why are you talking do i have to be

here are we done can i just leave

yeah yeah i'll just leave oh you can

actually if you want but it's close to

statements

yeah yeah i don't i don't got to listen

to you as you know when i can't oh

you're right so you're just gonna

just read from an article without

posting the article all right

i will debate for more hours i'm willing

to debate more about it so don't call me

a [ __ ] [ __ ] they want to end the

[ __ ] show

i'm willing to debate more you're the

one interrupting during closing

statements you could

because he was [ __ ] addressing my

facial expressions oh i can't make

i can't make facial expressions sorry

uh please continue eugenics was shown

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