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was's up everybody

see that one sounded better than before sounded better than the last one

i didn't script it though you know

all right guys i'm sorry for the late stream uh typically we don't want to stream this late

it's just that i will i didn't any fuck in sleep last night

and i woke up at like three pm again and i have still have to take this t h s shit

i might take it tonight might take it in to eight minutes and then

i'll be fucked up in like an hour but i don't know i haven't decided yet

and um another thing of note

is that

usually we want to do it three pm to six pm

and when i fix my sleep schedule

maybe even one

to four you know we'll just shorten the window

we want to keep streaming earlier we know streaming earlier

is better but isn't it fucking crazy that we have sixty viewers anyway

it's fucking insane man you know

surprise me

you know we do have some things lined up

for tonight there are a few other people who wanted to face off infrared in debate

and they're going to have their chance

but first and foremost

you guys know it

i know it

we got to check out that ready

guys

because you know what

whatever you guys are posting in that red it

will be covered in the beginning of the stream

that's the protocol

for every stream we're going to have except ones where we're interviewing people

in other news the

i've been in the d ms with socialism done left

i think it's quite late in the united kingdom when i last

uh sent a message to hi was like three

two three four hours ago or something so he probably just didn't see my message

yeah it's not going to happen tonight

he said something probably came up

so we're going to have to reschedule the socialism done laughed one later

but there are still people in the discord who want to debate and by the way guys if you don't know how to get in get into the discord just join the discord and if you want to debate us or challenge us we're not going to be able to probably get to everyone tonight tonight's not going to be an eight hour stream

i can guarantee you to night will not be an eight hour stream

holding myself to that it's not going to be an eight hour foking stream

but

you know we're going to try to get to as mnch many people as possible

so why don't you all join that discord and come inside the discord

and uh

yeah go inside the waiting room and if you want to debate we'll have a debate

you know what i'm saying in case you any of you are new here and you don't know

wasvoh was completely decimated and destroyed last night in a debate now many people

don't seem to agree with that who come from vasch's community but when you look at the substantive

nature of the conversation

it's very clear that i was the one who was raising substantive

points and challenges to oh's position

he wasn't evil he wasn't able to defend himself

not even once

he was 'unable to offer a single rebuttal or a single response to any of my arguments

nor was he able to put forward a single argument against me that was not addressed and responded to

thoroughly thoroughly

all he did was bluffingly bluffingly laughed like a jolly santa claus with his whole body shaking while he was laughing

and he didn't actually put his money where his mouth is

and prove

just why he is in a position to be so arrogant which is quite a sad

and pathetic sing

indeed

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can you forgive me if i don't know ho that works

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okay guys let's check out the rebdit

sure got the red it

um

let's go on

i got to just message right now

message requests

some guy wants to come on

we'd love to have

there's a lot of sympathetic people who want to come on

but we're kind of dealing with haters this weekend you know not haters but people who want to challenge us

and debate with us so this weekend

we're not going to have allies

on i don't think

i

but uh

yeah we're going to check out this read it

right now

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nice neats

dude that guy was triggering me a lot

i'm not going to lie to you guys he was triggering me a ton

his voice was so fucking annoying and just the tone of his voice triggered me just hearing his voice

was triggering to me

i that i couldn't stand that fucking guy dude he was so fucking disgusting and annoying

you know

i wanted to go ape shit dude i fuck and hated that guy

who wants to debate

and nigma who wants to debate

so i'm looking for your comments

anyone wants to debate go on the discord follow the protocol you know

go inside that little thing

go inside the request debate thing and we're going to have a debate

i want to debate yeah i know man in the wall i know you're lined up first in line to debate

don't weorry you first in line

m let's continue

i thought this was just a mean

but now i fully understand

really annoying forty seven dude yeah all these people who came on were australians i don't know if that was because of the time zone or

or if it was a coincidence of some kind i don't know

i don't know let's not be racist though right

what's really not racism but

come on

monthause is that really a

coincidence is that the real

who is adrian zens again i don't even know wh that is

you're not the real adrians and that's the weaker genocide

make believe bullshit guy right

you're not the really

fucking adrians and going the puck of my check

yeah

dude australians dude what's up with their so like it's like a fucking stereotype you know

it's like everyone wanted to debate me was an australian like what a stereotype like if i'm known for

and anti anglo vitriol

it's like why is everyone coming on

to debate me a fucking australian you know

and australia is a really cringed country i'm sorry

i don't want to be a hateful person toward anyone but it's a super cringed country

and it did's not even worthy of being china's

colony in my view it's just a really it they do the

when china when i see australia trying to challenge china a country

with over a billion fucking shut the fock up australians shut the fock up who the fock are you

like where does that arrogance come from you know what i mean

where does that fuckin arrogance

and that just that it's a like who are you tiny australia you know like what the fuck

what a fog

ok sorry let's let's end the ret

london in nineteen seventeen establishing

the dictatorship of the protear hit i like cads vosh

trying sells audience at lenin would vote for bying you

what the fuck

youll dude

dude voshus such as this i'm sorry like

wassh is a despicable human being i just look at that guy and i can see someone sick

some sick person you know like he's just a despicable disgusting

all around like imagine how he smells dude you know what i mean

imagine how the ude smells

you don't want to be around that fulking guy

behold the source of all ar cainge

u plenty of mems in those fuck and clips debates that we had the other day

foken laers

i did see this and i shared it on the twitter isn't that fucking incredible guys so ah's community

for context

wanted to come and cancel infrared

accusing us of being anti semites and what else di they accuse us of

abliism something like that

just making some shit up yeah you're going to see it here

and this is what their comments are like guy sound seconds away from nine eleven to

he can keep his authoritarianism in whatever desert hole he crawled out of

well at least he's honest

you know at least he's honest about the division i'm talking about

it's literally anglo saxon supremacy versus the world

versus mankind as a whole you know this is how they see people outside of

outside of the anglo saxon world you know that's how they see them they see them as

ah subhumans

and it doesn't surprise me this is vash's community i also shared another picture

that i saw that someone showed us in the discord from voshus chat

where is it right here

and look at this read this people like this dumbfolk and socialist m m a show us that certain p o c are way too delusional to participate in discourse they're way too aggressive and stupid

you know it just speaks for itself you know do i have to add much do i have to invent new terms about anglo saxon supremacy

or does it just speak for itself

that vocious community is filled with anglo saxon

racist chauvinist

but that's ok

instead of

cancelling them or deplatforming them infrared will destroy them humiliate them degrade them

and basically shit on them in the free marketplace of ideas we will

come out triumphant in the end of the day we are growing they are losing they're retreating

i destroyed their guy voche

one moment i'm going to turn off this fucking white noise one second

turning off the white nicse

what happens when it's so coold every two seconds the heater has to go

alright i'm back

ya i mean uh it doesn't offend me at all it doesn't offend me at all it's just like

yeah that's who watches community are like this is the division i'm talking about

you now you see what i'm talking about like what's going on here

these are buthard anglos and they are witnessing the decline of their empire

and they're associating with me

should do some anti breadtub toalk with talk with caleb

i don't want to reveal too much but i haven't i have been in the d m s with caleb and i

i can't promise anything but it's looking good so far i don't want to

i don't want to spoil it but

you know that's

definitely something in the pipeline

i

yet they're witnessing the decline of an empire

and this is the response this is his community

a

you know and the capitol hill people are racists and deplorables and all that stuff and i know that

but that's a given

so who should i entertain if i'm an american

should i entertain the broad strata of the american people or the libs who support voche

who are behind joe biden in the establishment

even though they're equally racist if not more racist on the part of vaci'us community i think vausci'us community is much more racist

than the trump supporters that i've personally encountered

in my life trump supporters obviously can be

extremely racist but

when i've talked to them on a one to one basis they seem to treat me like a human being they seem to speak like

human beings they never

brought up

my y

peculiar p o c aggressivity they shared the same aggressivity because they came from working class

backgrounds meanwhile vocious timid

o professional managerial

fans and nerds who follow wash

are rabid disgusting races spouting vitriol

who not only not content with with their racism

and there um

there are

elitism toward

non white and non anglo people also have the same elitism toward

their own people here in the united states i much rather prefer the plain spoken honesty

of the trump supporters who stormed the capitol

then hes despicable

a nourged supporters who are who combine liberalism and support for joe biden

with

anti human racist vitriol

and they are the ones calling us anti semites and transvobes

completely out of thin air i don't know why i've ever

said anything about jews i barely talked about zionism

and even though maybe i should talk about that a little bit more these are the people who sabotaged

and destroyed jeremy corbyan's campaign

in the united kingdom yes it was in large part a zionists who did this not entirely but in large part

zions

destroyed jeremy corbyn's campaign in the united kingdom so on those grounds maybe you can accuse me of anti semitism

i don't

particular pcue particularly

care

but they didn't even have a context

with which to accuse me of anti semitism quite pathetic don't you think you see guys

closing off the weekend

you know i'm going to emulate the mannerisms of the anglos

you know how they say like oh go ahead you know as a

uh what did what did i say last night i was like

i was like

and

i was a go ahead

go ahead yeah like you know i'm saying

um i'm going to be smog i can be smog and arrogant you know the the guest we're going to have now i'm goninga

not do that too because i heard they're very young

someone in the discord told me that the person that wants to come on is seventeen

and

you know

auh yeah that's just

it's a little bit too far to be

you know i'm going to take it easy on them easily you know

but

another p s a

if you do come on the show this is permanent

you can't walk it back and say hey can you edit something out or can you delete it afterwards

i want everyone to know this if you want to come on in forraever in any capacity

be careful because we're not going to delete it or edited we had to do that for a video in the past which was very wildly successful it was a big shame we're never doing that again so p s a if you come on the infrared show

you stick with

your it's your responsibility to make sure you don't leak anything or docs anything because we're not going to

edit or delete it because you tube doesn't let us edit it so we have to delete the whole thing and re upload it

it's not going to happen

ok

it's not going to happ

ok let's continue with the read it

so this is the pathetic attempt of wash's subbredit

to cancel the infrared show

let's read what they said tanky you two were in streamer in ferred who's currently debating

wash encourages his fan to create fake accounts

there is not a single instance

in the entirety of that stream where youre going to find me

telling my viewers to create fake accounts

i'm not sure why they added the part about making fake accounts

if rating is against the terms of service maybe it's the fact that only creating fake accounts is against terms of service i've never advocated anyone

to make fake accounts this is an outright

slanderous lie made up by vosch's disgusting and despicable spineless chicken shit cowardly and couck supporters who can't hold their own in a fair and square one on one debate

with some one like me so they have to go ahead and make things up and try to deep platform and cancel us because they're a bunch of pussies and i want you guys to contrast the behavior of infrared to the so called libertarian socialists and anarchists who follow watch

infrared gets a lot of bullshit in infrareds

chat

and onur discord

we don't ban anyone

i have never banned anyone actually i think i accidentally banned neon in the past

like in the very beginning of when our show started out

but i neons banned and that was the only person i'm pretty sure who was ever banned

a so we haven't banned anyone to date we've timed people out we haven't banned a single person

to date

we also haven't called for the d platforming or cancelling of any one

today i would never tell people to go snitch and tattle tale to you tube

that some people should be deep platformed

what a cowardly cock like thing to do

who the fuck goes and tattle tales to you tube

and tells you tube oh please you tube please please the corporation c e o please get rid of this guy here it's my feelings

i mean

what level of how much dignity

are you willing to sacrifice at that point

what a despicable spineless

asslicker and they call us tankys bootlickers because we defend china and russia against the outrageous slander and lies created by the western media who want to drum up support

for wars of aggression and aggression against those countries

in general we're called bootlickers but it's not a bootlicker thing to go in tattle tale to the authorities that be to deplatform the people just because they say things

you don't like

i'm a tanky i'm a morxist leninist and i'm not afraid to face anyone

and i'm not afraid of any one's words in our discord we do have a degree of censorship

you're not allowed to say the n word for example no exceptions you're going to get banned immediately if you say

words like that

but beyond that as long as you're respectful toward other people

you're not going to get bann

on

it's incredible anarchists are the most authoritarian people

that you can find their snitches they'll call the cops they'll call the you tube they'll call the admuns they'll call the mods we tankeyes at infrared who are marxist leninists would not even think not even think

of deep platforming

our most highous

and enemies

we wouldn't even think of it we are willing to face anyone squarely and soberly

and in a debate

even if there if there are enemies

we can prove it we can prove

our position

through discussion

a through a confrontation

we are not going to tattletaale to the authorities in the establishment

well

who are the supporters of wasos thoug at the end of the day

they were the snitches in high school

they were the snitches in middle school and elementary school their natural born snitches cocks nerds and bitches

that's what they fucking are bitch made soyboy cocks

who in high school were the ones who were tattle tailing on everybody

and um

they were always the teacher's pet

they were always the telling the principal shit even though they had nothing to do with anything

things that were not even their own business they get off on tattle tallling

their establishment dogs they call themselves revolutionari socialists and anarchists but at the end of the day their shock troops of a democratic establishment

the deep state

and silicon valley a silicon valley

and the corportocracy and the plutocracy they're all foot soldiers of these forces and that's the extent of their anarchism and ultra leftism and libertarianism it's just the political spectrum you have the democrats to the extreme

that's what these people are

what soldiers

for the oligarchy

calling themselves and identifying themselves with leftist traditions how pathetic

can you get

h i've denied the holida more

did he mention the weager genocide this supposed weager genocide no

i'm a denier of the hollm ador holld more i suppose

i'm not sure why that is supposed to evoke the same amount of gravity

as if i was a holocaust denier or something

interesting what tattle taall snitches and little bitches vasha supporters are

but vosch's supporters will never get over the fact that i defeated

their main guy i absolutely demolished and destroyed

their main guy h their titan

voh they can bring me

any bread tuber and i will demolish and destroy them and humiliate them infrared is rising the tankeyes are on the march and bread tube

seems to be in retreat scratch that they are in retreat

what a sad pathetic

thing

what a sad pathetic

thing you can try to cancel us and the platform us all you want and even if you are successful in de platforming us from twitch

and you tube alike and twitter alike

you end discord alike you're not going to stop infrared whatsoever it may be a small dent

in our progress but will overcome it we will find a way

to overcome it there's more of us than you can imagine

and if we have to come back under a different name

and with different faces we will do that

we will do that

you can't stop

infred you can't stop

what we are

we are unstoppable you can't deplatform us and we're not going anywhere

and our supporters are so enthusiastic

and so energetic

and they believe in our vision almost if not just as much as we

at the inner circle of infrared dou

there is literally nothing anyone can do to stop this every one sees plain as day what's going on

infrared represents an entirely new phenomenon

an entirely new tendency

the winds blow in our direction in our favor

which way do the winds blow they blow east

in our favor

you can't stop this you can't do platform this

i know it terrifies a lot of you chickenshitz

but you can't stop this march you can't stop this rise

there is absolutely

nothing you can do

nothing you can do

except sit and watch

sit and watch us conquer the game

sit and watch us conquer

conquer

the left

sit and watch that happen

you can try to prolong the inevitable all you want

but i see you

you i see you

you're in the spotlight

all of you

who want to cancel us and report us

i see

you

i see

you

you personally i see you

i see you in your fear

i see you trembling

i see you in your chicken shit

sham existence

i see you when your cowardice

and i see you

in your shame

there is nothing nothing you can do to stop us

nothing at all

because i see you

i see you

was shining a light on you cowards

and you're not going to get away with it

anymore

you're just not

you're just not

you're not going to get away with it

anymore

all you cocks and nerds in sx pests who are joining the left as an excuse to prey on women

me has i see you

i see you for what you are

i see you for what you are i see you for the pathetic oery that you are i see you for what you actually are n know what you actually are when no one's looking i see you

when no one's looking

when no one's looking i still see you cause i see you for what you are you're not going to hide any more i'm shining the light on you and you can't stop us

simple as that

simple as that

simple as that

let's move on and continue

hundreds subscribers in the last day

guys it's been so overwhelming

it's honestly been so i woke up to seven hundred subscribers and i don't even know how to celebrate at this point

i don't even know how to celebrate at this point so i'm just going to say

i hope you guys are patient enough to just allow me to celebrate when we get to a thousand cause it seems like

we're at what seven fifty now it we're just

i don't have time to just

celebrate

after every hundred subscriber milestone now it's happening too fast

it happened in one weekend you know

so when we get to a thousand subscribers

we will truly have

a real celebration

a real

and worthwhile celebration when we get to one k subs

one case subss the new milestone

i just now

and anticipating that we're not it's not where one k is just not that far off at this point

it's just not

um

fok fa shat be like he was conquered he was absolutely conquered

i

there's no way around it absolutely conquered

um

absolutely conquered

don't let vosz get away with this

they're racists

yeah

yeah we saw that guy we banned him

we that's the one guy we banned actually

because he was insulting a member of infrared

and i bgged him

for that

i'm not going to tolerate that bullshit

i'm just not you will be banned i don't give a fuck cry about it

vosh isn't sending his best now is he

i just defeated retion go watch the go watch our clips of our debates with wash's supporters and you'll see

what kind of education wash is giving his followers and fans it's quite pathetic

we will not forget or most supportive viewers

who is this good man who is this nobody's owned up to this you know i want to know who this is because

that's fucking crazy dude

two hundred dollars is fucking crazy

and this is the guy who made this happen by the way i want you guys to know

this is the reason

we facing we faced vosch causze this crazy guy donated donated a hundred do two hundred dollars

and

i got to make it up to him in some way

so whoever that is d m me on discord

and if five people d m me we're going to have an issue

but

hopefully you guys aren' going to be like that

i'd love to know who did that

um

it's incredible

don't forget to dislike what timothy you're in

you're in the minority

you're in the minority if you want to dislike us i destroyed

your grandfather your father voh she was absolutely demes decimated timothy and all his

fans who wanted to come to bate us wh were decimated

timothy what do you expect

how many of you are there that are going to dislike this let's see how many have disliked thisus

so far curious guyse

i could count about seventy dislikes when i turned off the stream last night i woke up to fifty on that same stream it seems like a lot of people were making fake accounts and you tube detected their bots disliking our videos that's how little these people are contrast this to the bigness of the people which is i infrareds

vision these are little tiny minorities

who are coming and using bots to dislike us

what a pathetic thing what a pathetic

sing

they have

no chance whatsever they will never stand a chance

against us we have forty three likes as compared to little of these two likes

timothy was able to rally his soldiers to get two likes against us compared to forty three that's vosch's fan base for you they're not even

united enough

to launch a real attack against us we are more there may be more vos viewers and subscribers and that remains true for bredtube as a whole

but

there is no community as united as infrared and i want you guys to remember that there is no community

not on twitch and not on breadth and not on you tube

who are as united as infrareds community

that's the truth of it

anti voce action

hundred percent like that

prove tankies are right

whoever believed there was a genocide in china

why don't you give a round of applause for yourself about what a fucking idiot you are

you're a fucking idiot if you thought there was a weaker genocide in china congratulations for being the dumbest fuck

of all time

what a completely made up

stupid fucking story that was

you're the fuck and sucker the idiot who bought into it because you're a dumb fuck

you believe

there was a weaker genocide going on in china you don't know anything about china

if you thought that was the case

only the most falking idiot the most depraved falking idiot

thought that there was a weaker genocide in china quite pathetic

quite pathetic don't you don't you think

i already saw oh my god neon made this

i thought nat made this

let me come

we love ve me on

love you neon man

he says a great guy dude

can we get a clip yeah we got the clip

we got the clip

wasoswen infred challenges him

m

he ran away with his fuccing tail between his legs

that's the sorry truth

what a bunch of cocks

yeah

we already saw this is there anything youw this is what

anything new

wow

did i see ninety members

what the fulk is that

ninety members is what i saw

that's fucking incredible that's fucking incredible guys

i can't even keep up anymore if you guys want to join the red it

this is the red its by the way if anyone's interested in joining

hate threads

are welcome

loving threads are welcome c p s a arriving from the future

this is beautiful

this is beautiful i love this dud i love this this is totally our style

this is totally our style

this is totally our style

how people like destiny are too robotic

what is this

i remember

when i first doumbled

on like the channel or whatever i was like oh cool this person does the baits and stuff cool

and

oh this is the incest thing ok this is nothing new

on

okay miss is it yes is it

ok that seems to be it

let's get right into the action

let me get a link for

infrareds people

m

infrareds people to join

let's see

by the way man in the wall it's sen that you can choose who you want to debate

we're not going to pile on

ah unto you

so don't worry about that

um

where is he

he doesn't have it yet

e d

okay

ok so man in the wall wants to debate

and

when i go in to the general and we're going to drag them in man in the wall this is the information i have about man in the wall they are a self identified social democrat

they're only seventeen years old

alex' is year

what's up alex i'm going to have to mute

and i'm going to ask can you mute as well and just go in the discord general but keep the video up you know yeah

ok

so

yeah

on

right so we're in here

we're going to have men in the wall come man in the wall don't worry

i want to debate you i know

um

yeah so

we do accept all requests to debate us

and uh

yeah let's see what you've got to say

all right man in the wall here up

you're in my y

general chat if you can hear me

i dragged you in

she just stunt mutes and uh

let's get the show on the road

we're alive now right

yes we're alive

okay

excellent it's a pleasure to be on your channel as

always this i appear to be the third major i don't know if i would call myself i guess i would call myself somewhat associated with bread tue that you've debated after

zander hall invore know

your you tube account is met i i have i me i haven't heard of bread tube so

man in the wall

yeah mother you know you got five hundred sents right now

fuh four hundred and fifty six i believe okay

the fact you know what

ok

um

and you know what it a special occasion i figured i might as well

hi how's to go

good how are you

i'm doing a

and

i'm uh i'm doing pretty well my uh

the step family just arrived or sorry not just riight they're just about to leave

and so now i can fully focus my attention on you and this discussion which i'm

very interested in having after seeing some of the stuff that you've said on your stream and your discussions with bosh and zander hall abou that one bosh fan

you're quite character it seems

ok sure so

so i guess my my first big question for you would be the following

on

i understand that you have

the

issues with wasch and i have issues with wassh as well in fact i've debated him on his channel

if you look at one of my videos we we have a pretty in depth discussion i think there's plenty of legitimate criticisms to be made of him and be made of many other

red tubers for that matter but i feel like this kind of

i

like fervent

like deep seated and

almost obsessive

if your video is any indication

hatred for vosh and hatred for bread tube that i see

in so much of

the tankey youtube sphear is maybe a little

unhealthy

like um well

re let me think let me know what youre and you sorry continue

i bet

m

and uh

um i mean like

excuse me um i understand that we will always on the left we will always have our issues and we'll always have our things that we don't agree on right now

but

but i mean maybe this is just a

personal thing beus is i live in the united states and i believe you live in lebanon or do you live in the unit

i'd say it's neworgjust

uh blemanese san

the latter yes

oh

um well in this case we're both uh we're both americans

um

and uh

right now even with the bind administration of full swing

just even just on youtube i would say the far

greater threat to the interests

of socialism to the interests of progressivism to the interests of i guess you could say the broader american working class

is not these bread tube figures like vas or philosophy tube or contra points no matter how much we may disagree with them on certain things it's the

cavalcade

of fracking billionaire funded

um

right wing demagogues the likes of ben shapiro stephen crowder

um

tim poole dave ruben extct these are the people who in my view pose a real significant threat

to the left and as far as their emboldenment of figures like donald trump who in my view is a reactionary

fascist

or at least

fascist leaning and i think that these people pose much more of a danger and i'll admit that i might i

help flean in this narrative myself out because of attacking

tankies we do need to both collectively collectively realize that as much as i might have issues with you and you might have issues with me the real threat that we face is not

bread tube or the tankis it's the far right at least here in america

and probably in most of the western world and just

the world in general

okay uh is it all

sa ok well there were a lot of things you said

i'm going to go off on the basis of what i've remembered you are free to

when i'm done i bring up points you think i haven't addressed and i sed my memories

short term memory's a little bit limited so i'm going to try to go ahead and address it but i can remember

the first thing is about my hostility towards washe

well before and for red

even existed

people who share views

such as myself who are aligned with a certain

i guess you ca call it a sphere of the left i think i don't think i would call that people like caleb mop and were representing us and caleb moppin was an extremely respectful

sincere

and honest guy when he came out to wash his dream when he

interacted with with bread tube at large

it was actually vosh the figureheads of bred tube and their supporters

who set the tone of hostility

between us and them

with their

completely unjustifiable and inexcusable

disrespect

slander

and even threats physical threats of violence they levied

against calebmppa now what did calebmppa

du to deserve that absolutely nothing

they're the ones who set the tone as far as the hostility between us is concerned and then there's another thing even if you neglect the thing about

cable moppin he bad two people explicitly positioned themselves and their so called

leftism on the basis of basically dick riding off of the power of the democratic party silicon valley the oligarchy

and the elites

establishment

at large and they laughed and scoffed at any leftists who weren't within this

as george carlin called

a big club or only in this case it's an idiological and discursive

big club anyone who didn't speak like a stooge of the establishment

repeating lies in slander and talking points that drum up aggression

uh against countries like china and russia

was dismissed as an idiot and some one to laugh and scoff at now xandrerthal and our interactor ended very pleasantly

but even he uh initially

was laughing and scoffing at

infrared for no other reason that we were

tankies and marxist lendness

voh showed the similar smugness and attitude

sod us

but when all is said and done even if we neglect the fact that it is bread tou and it is those people who set

the stage for the antagonism the idea that there needs to be something some kind of left unity i find it to be an absurdity the left

and moreover what we call the radical left in the united states

is an acute minority of human beings

living in the country the left doesn't need to unite that's and it's an idealist view

people don't need to unite on the basis of their ideas

a class needs to unite on the basis of its material

reality

so those leftists who are

most successful

in accomplishing that

am

the lion's share will go to them that's how it happened

in russia that's how the bolsheviks overawed

all of their rivals the most ruthless

the hostility must be cultivated within the laft that much it is a war it is a gladiator pit

because we're ultimately not here to hold hands and feel good about ourselves because we share ideas

we're here to win the working class the minds and the support

of the american working class

that's why we're here we're not here because we have ideas in our head that we agree upon

implementing in reality

we're here because we are struggling to connect to the american people

and to the working class

and finally regarding biden's offensive that you were talking about i find that a really interesting thing to say

while people such as myself caleb and many others

were rightfully pointing out

a the hypocrisy of leftists who were spending their time and energy

devoted

to voting and camp even campaigning for joel biden in the general election even after the shameless display of the democratic parties

a rigging of the primaries both in twenty twenty as we're now

seeing and now is being revealed and in twenty sixteen even after all of the this people like vosch and people like contterpoints and bread tube

were telling the acute minority of leftists who do exist to spend

their time and energy not cultivating a new form of contact

with the american people in building an independent power from the democrats but to spend their time campaigning and even voting

for joe biden now that's fine that's all fine and well but now you're saying since joe bidens off on the offensive we have to unite with this these people i disagree i think actually we need to hold

people like wash and people like him

to their record hold them responsible

for the position they took

in the november general election and that whole debate that was going on we leftists

caleb and all of us were right joe biden was a bastard and he's not good for the left we were the ones who called it and now we should get the lion's share and we are getting the lion's share of the fallout of that and now we're not supposed to hold vosh and his ilk

to be responsible for the position they took then no that's not how it works

in politics and yes we are going to attack fellow leftists because when you call yourself a socialist when you use these names you are competing with us

and when you're using it in a radically different way you're competing with the superficial identification of being a leftist and being a socialist you're obscuring and ofuscating the meaning of these words because the money the eye the eye on the ball so to speak the ball is the american working class this is who we're focusing on so we have to attack

the people who are repping our name and repping the good name of socialism and communism in a completely false and opportunistic way we do have to attack them and i can i agree on the point that we shouldn't be spending all of our time

a attacking them we also have to cultivate something independent and positive and that is what infrared is doing but we will show no mercy

toward bread soup

we are going to be absolutely ruthless

and our differentiation

from red tub and our attack

i'm breton we're going to expose them we're going to show the american left

who's on the rise and who's on decline

we are silent no more and tankees are

on the march

go ahead

ok

so

a lot of things but

for one

excuse me for one i think that you have to consider the like where america is right now like america is not in the midst of a battle between

like

m ls and libertarian socialist

it's a

it's a battle between like the moderate left

and the extremely far right

like that is the battle for the soul of america that's taking place right now on

and you know like it or not

um

bred tube figures people like contrapoints philosophy tube boch et cetera whatever you may think of them they are successful in moving at least parts of the internet

a more towards left leaning ideas i mean you know contra points was featured in the new york times and

bosh is a slowly rising figure why i imagine will get even more and more prominent as time goes on these people change minds h and

uh when people's minds are changed

they vote in a different way they act in a different way they're more willing to

and theyre more willing to consider politicians and political figures

who might act more in their interests like for example berney sanders or the squad

m

h like uh what's some other stuff and the like the thing is is that um

as far as them like advocating for campaigning and voting for biden

um i would argue that in that case that was

a a necessity oh now did they spend too much time

advocating for that

probably but i do think that on a number of very serious issues facing this country from climate change to health care to covin nineteen

to l g p t

rights to immigration to taxation to god to even foreign policy in a number of areas i would say the bide was demonstrably better than trump in a myraad of different ways and i think that just

from the consequentialist perspective we should vote for him on that

issue no that doesn't mean

that once he's in power we should ruthlessly criticize him for the many terrible things he will likely do of course we should and we will i imagine or at least i will i don't know maybe maybe you're right maybe they are just cuks to the democratic party but i hope that they will legitimately criticize the democrats

and biden as i will when they do things that i do not like

um

and as far as cale mo been acting in good faith

this is something that we are fundamentally going to disagree on because i am of the opinion that cale p and is an extremely bad faith actor and frankly a griftter who doesn't believe a goddamn word that he says and is largely and largely says what he says because r t and press t v and other

the state state sponsored media actors for repressive dictatorships give him money to save the kind of stupid bullshit that he does

so that's just my opinion you can respond now

ok thank you

m

now regarding this issue of the threat of the far right

it seems you missed the point i was trying to raise though is that instead of conceiving the fundamental contradictions on ideological terms

i agree the primary contradiction isn't between mm ls and

other leftis or between leftists

but it's also ridiculous to say the primary contradiction is even between leftists and riightis this is an iteological view

and not a materialistic and class based view

the far right

a encompasses a lot of things

it also encompasses masses who are willing to follow leaders

a professing to be populist in anti establishment

forces

i don't see what is so essential about the rightest idiology i don't see idiology

as

the essence i see material reality and class relations

as the essence if working masses are following

right wing

leaders on the no you can't because 's my turn

what can you can i didn't interrupt you once

you understand it's my tra sorry no no no

oy no problem no problem ok

if working masses are following right wing leaders

okay

then the essential thing isn't a combat

the right wing idiology specifically

but it's to po pose an alternative that is able to better clarify

the position of the working american working people the more essential reason why they follow

right wing leaders to clarify this dis still the essence of this and ultimately that's what marxism and communism is about

when one can succeed in doing this

they won't have a reason

to support the far right and the right wing

populace they will see communists as a better alternative

so all were not interested

primarily in

debating the far right although we are open to debating the right and maybe there is some merit

in debating right wingers but it is superfluous

to go after the far right and it is superfluous to go after right wingers or some kind of main enemy and it's a cop out from the fundamental contradictions that are not only internal to the left

but are internal to the surfaceial allegiances people have

to the left to the superficial idiologies that define the left there are internal contradictions with those opportunisms

that need to be sorted out otherwise we don't even know what our own position is in the first place to say that we all need to rally against the far right assumes that we both agree and we know what our own position is i disagree that we know

what our position is only way we can know our position is by participating in the gladiator arena that will sort out

which current and which splinter of the so called left

speaks for the working people of america and the measure of that is how many people

both from the far right both from the right and both from the a political crowd are willing to join in as far as i'm concerned there are people who are supporters of infrared who came from right wing backgrounds fort chan and pole backgrounds and we won them over we succeeded in winning them over without attacking

the right

now i discussed with lexandr hall the fact

that you don't actually you don't actually you can't do what vosh in destiny do

which is gas like right wing people about the original alienation that gives rise to their reactionary views and just tell them to accept and submit to the establishment you have to give new expression

and new form to their ante establishment

sentiment

that will allow them to see past the reactionary prejudices

and dogmas

a and that's my view of what an effective way of

a countering so called right wing populism

is it's the leftists who are repping our name

and it's the leftists therefore who are always have always been the enemies of leftis now you identify as a social democrat that's fine

we did infrared on marxist leninist do you know who and this is a rhetorical question don't answer it but do you know who killed

who attempted to kill lenin

the person who attempted to kill lenin

was a self proclaimed anarchist

the ones who were the number one threat to the security and safety of the soviet union leading up to the war with

the nazis they were leftists it would always been other leftists who've been the enemy of leftists who have been the ones

who are responsible for the retreat of the left

for the past five or six decades has it been some objective circumstance that makes it impossible for working people to follow communists and follow lefts no it's the result of the opportunism the sterility the dogmatism

of leftis the incompetence of leftis leftist have always been the enemy of leftis leftist have always been the enemy the fact that rightis and pro status quo establishment people are enemies

is superfluous we already know their enemies they're always going to be

enemies but the decisive enemies have always been leftists now on to this business of the necessity of voting for biden if it was necessary to vote for biden then the amount of vochites and bread to people who wasted their time going to vote for him must have been decisive in winning the election for him now wouldn't they have been now if they were so decisive in winning the election for biden don't you think they could have

vera their strategic position to actually get bernie elected in the primary couldn't they have told the democrats we're the decisive ones who are going to decide the general election therefore if we don't get bernie we're not going to vote that way the democrats would have to cave in or else risk a trump

presidency

which they may may very well would have and if they would have done something like that that would have been easy grounds for splintering off into a new party for splitting the party

in half they didn't leverage their supposed position and the reason for that probably is that they have no such decisive position they wasted their time voting for by it and even though it didn't make a falking difference as far as the outcome of the election was concerned and now we're going to stick that waste of time decision on to them and we're not going to let them get away with the idea that we'll superficially barden with

s and biden was pro climate change

none of that actually matters these are superficial

completely superficial idiological and political positions that do not reflect the actual material essence of biden's position biden claims to be more willing to address the issue of climate change that it says nothing about his ability to actually do that in material reality biden claims to be more progressive but does that mean biden is able to actually be

progressive those are two entirely different things there is no relationship to them whatsoever the only people who can actually effect real change in america are those who are willing to from top to bottom sweep the establishment clean sweep the people who are impediments to the changes that are necessary to empower the working people in the working families of america not j

obiden nor any other democrat chill stooge

is going to be able to effect that

and this excuse that we're going to vote for biden and then critique him when he's in power is a complete evasion of responsibility you want your cake and you want to eat it too you want to vote for biden and not take the fallout and the con and take responsibility for what you did you can't have it both ways if you want to vote for biden because you ultimately think this is necessary to stop trump you go ahead but you

you weigh the positives and negatives and you stick with it you don't say i'm going to vote for biden and then ruthlessly critique him you voted for him

that's like saying you're going to suck his cock

and then you're going to slap him in the face but you sucked this cock dod

you sucked his cock

and now regarding this slander in these lies about caleb moppin if you're going to accuse caleb of being a bad faith actor and a grifter and someone who wants money from or t and is just only doing it be getting money from our t then you must accuse infrared of doing the same thing we're just as much bad faith actors as caleb

were just as much grifters as caleb and by the way you haven't able you weren't able to prove or persuade anyone that he's a bad faith actor or a grifter i haven't seen the minimum

of a smallest amount of evidence to suggest

that caleb is a grifter and a bad faith acor it seems completely made up by caleb's enemies

but the idea that you're going to bad mouth caleb and slander him and accuse him of all of these baseless things and then act like infrared are going to be your friends is a joke to me dude

we are the same

if not even worse than caleb everything you hate about caleb infrared is far worse than caleb when it comes to that caleb is very moderate compared

to infrared it seems to me and i admire him for his moderation and i'm going to tell you one thing my friend if r t offered us a job at infrared and wanted to make infrared a subsidiary of r t allowing me to do this full time i would not hesitate for a single moment to work for r t and be and take the money of the russian government in the russian state or the chinese state i wouldn't hesitate for a single second so if you're going to call

all caleble griftter and someone whose positions are only being aespoused because he's paid off by russia which is a curious thing to say given the fact that infrared and caleb share the exact same views and yet infrared is not

being paid by russia in any capacity but

if you're going to accuse calemopna of that you have to levy that against us

go ahead

um okay so a few things

first off the reason that i would accuse that of

accuse grifting on the part of cable mapin and not on you

is that ll up and is a journalist who works for r t andm press t v and you are a tiny little podcast with seven hundred subscribers next

slf s the reason i apply it to him because he's bigger and he should know better

um

as far as your other other points as far as the left posing the greatest threat to the soviet union i mean it's no doubt that the soviets fought against other left waning groups

the demise of the free territory in ukraine was largely a result

of the soviet union's decisions

but i would i would probably say that the threats coming from the reactionary white army and the imperialist powers that supported it and the invasion by the fascist

and not just invasion but attempted genocide by the b

nazis was probably a far greater threat to the soviets than any combination of trotskis or anarchists could ever dream of proposing

nextly on the issue of

of voting biden i mean i don't like i said i don't think that voting biden is something that is going to uh cause a fundamental change

in america i just think that it's better than trump

and i do put accountability on myself knowing the things thatbd and will do

i'm not going to pretend like i'm not accountable that this is something i actually disagreed about with bosh in our discussion i said that if we are to hold trump voters accountable for the bad things that happen under their watch it's only fair for us to hold ourselves responsible for the bad things that happened under under our watch hes agreed and we discussed that

and you

what's the other stuff that you said and it's not like the only successful movements are necessarily just movements that are entirely revolutionary all throughout this country's history we can see things like everything from the women's suffrage movement which was not necessarily revolutionary

to the labor unions that work call better working conditions to even movements today like the l g b t rights movement and black lives matter these aren't movements that are nqarely revolutionary in kind but they are movements that are calling for reform

and in a lot of case and in all of those cases

they got it and i imagine in b lens case they're probably going to get it within the next

five or ten years and

uh and it's so it's not like these performance movements can't do anything uh remote positive and as far as the idea that

like we're not in a war over ideology we're in a war for the interests of the working class

uh i mean ideology

plays a factor in what the conditions of the working class are if you want to fascist government the conditions of the working class are going to be worse than the conditions for a socialist or a social democratic

a government

on

ah

excuse me so these things do matter

for the for the vast majority of people

is there anything else that i want to say

now i think that's it you can respond now

ok well just to go back to this caleb thing be coming from an order

but like i said infrared is growing and hopefully one day we will be as big

as came up so i'm not sure what the size of his channel

has to do with it and second of all

the only reason were not being paid as journalists by

r t is because r t and we have we've actually internally

a discussed

that avenue we don't know how to do it if we found out how to do it we would do it in a heartbeat

so you have to hold caleb and infrared

in the same regard because if infrared could do what caleb

does we would take it that opportunity in a heartbeat

it's simply a simple is that you would see us being paid

by russia and we would be saying the same things

that we're saying

now so this slander against caleb again is baseless you fail to demonstrate

anything remotely

ah remotely close

to a substantiation of the allegation that he's a bad faith actor who doesn't believe anything he says

or is just doing it

for money and he's a grifter you haven't substantiated that because infrared is just same and yet you don't hold us to the same standard as you do to him

and he said the reason is because of our size why don't you come back in a few months or a year

and we'll see

uh if you'll be saying

the same thing now regarding this stuff about the internal for

no n no i didn't interrupt you even though i wanted to to be honest i really wanted to i didn't interrupt you so you are going to let me talk

regarding this stuff about the russian civil war and world war two yes it's true that in the heat of battle in the time of the russian civil war the white army the allies

withre the biggest threat

and then during world war two obviously

the germans the nazis were the biggest

threat we all know that it's a given

but what were the conditions that enabled the possibility for the soviet union to confront and face those bigger threats first and foremost they had to get in order with the other leftists the only reason the red army was able to repel and defeat the allies in the white armi is because of the work that the bolsheviks did

to the entire duration of their existence to distinguish themselves and point out the opportunism

and falsehood of the other so called marxies

and so called leftists that were operating within russia so you're putting the cart

before the horse

the enemies are always leftists not because at any given time

the true enemy is going to be other leftist from a tactical or strategic view in war but because in order to prepare and even stand a chance in those types of wars you have to defeat destroy and crush

these other leftists and make sure you're distinct from them just as much

their soviet red army would have not stood a chance against the invading

naz you

ah nazi forces and aggressors

had the soviet union not gone through its great purges and purged

the leftist the aultra leftist elements who were so altra leftist they were collaborating

with fascist

and imperialistic powers in order to overthrow the soviet union and institute their true

a permanent revolution

and whatever nonsense

of that nature now regarding this stuff about biden

being better than trump i call your bluff that biden is better than trump i have yet to see a single example of how it could be said biden is better than trump beyond superficial bulshit that in no way actually matters

in reality but even if i grant you

the fact that biden is in actuality somehow better than trump

we don't view this better or worse from a holistic

perspective is who is for whom is he better is he better for the forces of communism or the forces of socialism and the for progressive forces in the united states who are trying to affect

real change in this country no he's clearly not

better for those forces in fact he's much much worse for a multitude of reasons one of them is that he shift the very basis of the democratic party's supporters away from the once working class masses and to the white suburbs

who were decisive for biden's victory in the first place now given the class elements who now define the base of the democratic party it's quite clear that biden is a disaster

for the left

and the question of whether trump is better for the left

is an open question i would argue that trump was better for the left and maybe you're going to see just how true this fact is

in the years to come the idea that

voh and bredtube are finally going to have their day now that biden's elected is the biggest joke

i've ever heard

you're going to witness the complete decimation

of the american left

on the years to come and you can come back and hold me to that

i promise you that much now regarding this stuff about

not all movements being entirely

revolutionary it's a curious thing to say because i didn't mention anything about

movements being revolutionary or not i didn't say a single thing about revolution actually but it's curious you're going to mention the abjectly racist woman's

suffrage movement

i'm not sure why that is relevant i'm not sure why you're mentioning unions or cultural struggles like the l g

what is so relevant about that

those are phenomena in reality

which

can either which are in ambiguous from a class perspective either proletarian or bourgeoi elements

will preponderate

in the expression and in in the hegemony over these

movements moreover i don't even consider these movements holistic in the first place even to gain hegemony over in the first place i don't see

what the significance of this point you're bringing up whatsoever

but i did find a little bit interesting of how you've said that in five years black lives matter is going to affect its walls but you haven't asked the question

you haven't you

pondered upon the question of whether black lives matter actually successfully represents the interests of america's black population well in fact what in actuality is black lives matters goals actually amounting to in reality is it amounting to some kind of land reform is it amounting to some kind of true reparations and for the forty acres in a mule that was promised

to the freed and emancipated black peoples after the civil war no such thing is going to happen instead what you're going to happen is you're going to have new shows on netflix and amazon and hulu plus and on disney and all these

you know on the internet

and on twitch and on youtube giving lip service to black lives matter

and the uh

i struggle for cultural racial equality while doing nothing in actual reality for the black communities and the black people on the ground

we've seen this story play out over and over again

and the establishment forces have so successfully been able to divorce

the cultural lip service superficial bullshit from actual tangible changes

ah for the black masses

that

to the shock and surprise of these naive

ah leftist

ah

there are many black masses who are turning away from the democratic party and from leftists

in general seeing past the lies in the trickery and the

the game that the democrats have been playing with them

and they're no longer able to take them for granted that's why an unprecedented proportion of

people were voting for trump in the last

election now regarding this business about

ideology playing a factor

i actually don't think itiology plays a factor in the way you're trying to describe it

idiology plays a factor on youtube

iteology plays a factor

from an idiological perspective yes

when you're an etiologist

as an individual then idiology does play a factor but in so far as it is relating to the masses

in so far as it is relating to masses

etiology is not

what is decisive whatsoever people can switch and flip from being trump supporters

hold me to this

to communists quite easily

it's just that communists have to formulate

the interests of the working masses who were trump supporters and kuanan supporters in a more effective way

then the right wing etiologists have been doing and if they can do that

i guarantee you those people will flock over to forces and idiologies that on a superficial

level of the political spectrum are diametrically opposed to the ones

that they currently are under that's because

the political spectrum isn't dialectical

it abstractly represents political differences in ieological

differences

but does not relate to or regard the actual essential reason

for those differences which is why you have paradoxes and ironies like the so called horseshoe

paradox you have these so called paradoxes

because the political spectrum which you are referring to

that defines that is supposedly the essence of political difference

is actually estranged from its true and real

and material essence it can appear that right wing and left wing overlap and are indistinguishable

oftentimes especially when we're talking about ambiguous anti establishment sentiment

such as occupy wall street

the whole anti establishment occupi wall street sentiment could easily be manifested in terms of anti semitism

it can also be manifested in terms of

something else

that's why socialists in the past actually on to this topic of anti semitism since infrared is strangely accused of this

people like august bebel called anti semitism the socialism of fools

for this reason and actually

that's always what

authentic socialists have regarded

reactionary riightos adds

foolish socialist and failed

socialist we don't see them as existential

enemies

we see them as failed socialists and our goal is to be successful

socialist

go on

okay

so you said a number of things that i very much do not agree with so let's go over andm one by one first off

the idea that trump

is better for the american left than biden

is ludicrous

for a number of reasons for one this is the most important thing to me she's worse just on like a basic level trump winning it means more people dying from covid it means less time is available to prevent the climate apocalypse it means that more people are going to be thrown off of health care we might see an entire in obamacare appeal

it means it's more likely that we're going to see a full blown conflict with iran it means that more people are going to die in yemen it means more people are going to get deported and sent to concentration camps and there's going to be more family separations it just on a number of things but even if you were to take the hyper accelerationist

like literally screw all minorities all poor and working people and the planet and just take it down the road because hopefully trump will make things bad enough that we're going to like then elect a socialist for one ou't even know if we're going to be able to have elections after a second trump term i really do think he is that dangerous and that anti democratic if they

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you my name is conteling um can you he

speak

but

i'm speaking

okay go ahead

um

keep the shit

that happened in the last few months of his presidency after he lost was any indication and secondly generally speaking it seems as if when someone like trump falls people are people really aren't willing to look for like radical solutions they're looking for just someone who isn't trump like bernie sanders for example was more successful in twenty and sixteen running against

hillary clinton after eight years of obama then he was in two thousand and twenty because i mean in two thousand and twenty there was the electability argument the fact that well god we just want trump that we want to nominate anyone just as long as we think they can beat trump and like

you know bernie would think he's too radical now obviously they're going to be people who are going to say that regardless because their establishment shelts but

that argument is more

the case when you have when there is more stakes on

to beat someone like donald fucking trump

m

then it is

when that choice is up in the air as it was during the time democratic party and

and uh secondly um i guess um i mean as far as the idea that if uh calebppins grifter than you guys are rifters

o well the reason i'll call you guys necessarily griffters yet is because you guys don't have russian and iranian money and

pedaling in on your channel but i assure you that once you do and i imagine at one point you will then i will say that you are gryptters and i also think that caelebapin is a grypter regardless because there's no way he could say the kind of stuff that he says

um

about china about putin about

like socialist billionaires like this isn't like any real ideological consistency

in my view it's the fact that he's paid by by russian in iranian state actors who want them to de

t to want him to defend their allies and their interests and he'll do so no matter how many ridiculous leaks of logic has to take in order for that to happen

um

as far as some other stuff

um the idea that likeh ideology doesn't play a role in that i mean i definitely do agree there are a lot of trump supporters that can be moved over into being communist there's if you talk to a lot of um

people on the right there is this sort of populist tendency

and there is this anti establishment further they're just being misdirected and i believe if they are redirected they could very easily be

uh supporters of uh they could eas easily be like bernie supporters for example or something perhaps even something more

uh like um dsa types or even just full on

the communists or whatever obviously you and i have different ideas of whether where the united states should go but we both want the united states to be much more less leaning than it is at the moment as far as like

where what are like fundamental ways that biden is better than trup

um

and just in practice not just in terms of what he says well i can give you quite a few examples biden has said that he's going to cut saudi funding in yemen trump was a massive saudi shill who is basically bribed off by them to giving them more weapon so they can commit continue committing a genocide

biden is repealing the keystone exle access pipeline trump would not have done that biden overturned the travel ban and the ban on transient

uh gender uh militaries and the band on the transgender people serving the military as well as dhaka

and i

god what some of the other stuff he's started contracts to end private prisons again wouldn't have happened under trump and he's pushing for uh what it seems like is a much more serious vaccine rollout and

and admittedly i do think that the aid package was a little bit less u

less than what trump would have promised so i guess that's one way where he's worse but still that's i think either four or five pretty that's five major issues where he's significantly better than trump on a number of things oh and the paris climate accords you can't forget about that as well as probably a bunch of other stuff and again we haven't even

um

we haven't even seen the full extent of it now i don't think that the next four years will be anything amazing it won't be anything close to necessarily what i want but it'll be much better than what trump will provide that i don't think that that's just to me common sense and i know there are probably a lot of people in your chat right now saying that i'm a bootlicker and that i'm a

a sip for the democratic establishment but let be known that i am not i am simply a rational human being who does what all rational human beings do in this kind of situation which is say that biden is less bad than trump to me this is almost this basically inarguable

and then the final point the final point about black lives matter and how they supposedly don't represent the interests of african americans that's funny given the fact that what is it

eighty to ninety percent of african americans are supportive of black lives matter but even ig noring i would say that it is in the interest of black people to not be randomly murdered on the street by police officers i don't know about you but i'm i'm generally in favor of that not happening i'm not not one of those he was no angel tim catch my drift

and and also i think that if i were and not just if i were i supported so anyway i

i also think that it is definitely in the interest of african americans to pursue things like

a a major criminal justice reform

a ending the drug war

a and i believe b l m

many people in the ilan actually have argued for reparations and it's possible that we may see

probably not full blown reparations really something approaching dow under by in which we definitely would not have seen on to truk so that my artments ok well there's a few things i want to tackle your arguments

i used to do it in order

um butlad i'm gonna combine some because your second argument about um

the

the fact that it's ludicrous trump is better for the american left you went in into a tangent about the fact that he's better from a holistic perspective you also

your five examples that you would use later down on the line

was the same somes going to combine all of that so we can get that out of the way and then

we can address the other all right ok so the first thing you said is that it's ludicrous to think that trump is better for the

american left i beg to disagree even though there's no way we can necessarily prove it from a logical perspective you could easily argue that trump is maybe better for the american left if only for the reason that he was able to shock the democratic party

so profoundly and changed the political game

so profoundly

that the establishment is revealed as the emperor

the the emperor what is it called the emperor isn't wearing any clothes the establishment was exposed its weakness and vulnerability was exposed the fact that leftst

failed to capitulate

upon the lesson of trump's victory is the result of their own incompetence and the result

of the forces of opportunism and the

and the class forces that preponderate the left of professional

managerials a real left would have easily been able to see from the trump momentum see from this sea of chaos

the ability to actually build an alternative to this wretched american deep state

an establishment which has been

trudging along

for almost the entirety of the

the past three or four decades is completely invincible and unchallengeable trump changed that

for better or for worse

trump made it so that the mainstream media was no longer trusted

in the same way as it was

before

trump made it so that the establishment was no longer seen as invincible as it was before

the time for political

alternatives

was opened up by trump and i would reckon the only reason we have

such a

plethora of so called radical leftists at least compared to before

trump was elected was for no other reason than the fact that trump

was elected trump is the reason why bred tube

exists in the proportionate or the level of popularity

that does not you may contest that point and i'll contest it right back we won't agree if you don't see it you don't see it

but that's my fundamental view and it's the view shared

by many others now you deemphasize that point to go into this whole holistic view of society as to who is ultimately better

trump or biden

and i completely reject this framing of harm reduction

for no other reason that you are neglecting the part about where you as a subject are actually decisive

for the conditions and circumstances you are claiming are better in the first place

ok

you can say

even if we were make the argument that less people are going to die

under biden this doesn't excuse you using what little energy and ability you have

to voting for

biden

because it's there's not a one to one direct relationship between what you think society should be

and the people

you go and vote for now i know an american democracy that's an incredibly shocking thing

uh

to say but there isn't a one to one relationship because where does the threshold end and where does it begin what do i mean by this you if you are going to take holistic responsibility for all of the deaths

that that the lesser deaths that occur under biden you must also take responsibility for all the excess deaths

that occur under biden

as compared to in the grand scheme of things the ultimate grand scheme of things as compared to

you spending your time and energy devoted to creating a true political

alternative to the democrats now you are just restricting the scale of time to four years i find that completely arbitrary what if

the reason more people more what if more people died than the otherwise would have

from a scale of fifty years

it was since you spent all your time and resources voting for biden rather than building a

political alternative which in fifty years in the grand scheme of things would ultimately be able to

to overthrow the democratic party or do something

interesting moreover i completely reject the humanitarian view of harm reduction as the linchpin of politics at all

politics is an ugly business politics is not charity there is no direct relationship

between individual morality

and politics politics is a sphere of war it's a sphere of struggle and has nothing to do with preventing more deaths

then otherwise did more people die than the otherwise would have

under communist states maybe they did maybe they didn't

but in the grand scheme of things this is actually not what's decisive in defining the political class struggle you say you mention accelerationism

which is uh

is a phrase that's extremely misunderstood and you're saying screw you said if we're accelerationists we're saying screw minorities and working people well we're only screwing minorities and working people if our actions are decisive in the outcome faced by them if our actions were decisive in the outcome faced by minorities and working people we would not be faced with the paradox of having to vote for biden or trump in the first place this is what my argument was

as before and what i was trying to get at our decisions are not actually what is decisive if they are we wouldn't need biden as our only alternative this is a paradox i've never seen anyone even remotely attempt to worm their way out of because no one can worm their way out of this basic

point

that's why the whole harm reduction argument is completely meaningless

you assume that you have power

that you don't have you don't have the power to make a difference so you don't have the power to make excuses for not building

the ability for you to stand on your own independent two feet

as a political alternative by building a new people's party or a new political alternative now

you can say that in the law and that biden is going to prevent

let even even if we accept the four years timescale how is it

how can you be certain that biden is ultimately going to lead to less deaths

than under trump well trump isn't president

in these four years so we have no way of actually knowing that i completely disagree that the covert deaths in america are the result of trump being in power america as a civilization is not equipped

it's not capable of dealing with something like

corona virus for a complex multitude of reasons were very individualistic

society doesn't actually matter how many l it's a paradox you have democrats who want lockdowns but unlike asian societies

who are more collectivistic societies when we institute lockdown in america we don't help people

we throw them out on the street

we close people's small businesses

and we cut out we s we have people lose their jobs and we don't support them we leave them on their own

that's the issue in america whether you are against lockdown or pro lockdown leads ultimately to the same outcome of suffering

for the american people

it's a paradox that has nothing to do with trump being in power or not being in power there's no one

more than trump wanted

to get rid of this gron a virus problem which was an impediment to his prized and prided

stock market

quoth now biden

may be less likely to engage in

conflict with iran

but he's much more likely to engage in conflict with syria and russia and other countries not sure what is so and also the acceleration of america's imperial aggression against iran and china i don't even know if that's going to really be ultimately softened

under bible maybe the democrats want to play a different approach rather than direct head first into conflict with iran but conflict to me of some kind

seems inevitable

but even if we neglect this thing about iran baiden wants war wants to engage more more aggression against russia and more aggression against countries like syria so we've swapped and korea so we've swapped out iran for korea syria and russia i don't see what such an a

such a accomplishment about this the thing about saudi arabia and the armed shipments to saudi arabia well it seems like the damage has been done all of this is not about harm reduction it's about

political chess games bin sal man is more allied

with with russia now and that's the reason why the democrats are against the current establishment in saudi arabia but if it wasn't bin salman who was in power in saudi arabia but the old status quo the democrats would have no issue in supporting

them regarding the stuff about concentration caps what a completely baseless thing to say given that there are still kids in cages even to this day and that biden has walked back his promises to end the rigorous deportation and anti immigrant programs initiated under trump and there's direct evidence for that you can look it up there's no indication whatsoever bidens walking those back you mentioned dhaka and other things which is all well

and good for the educated classes of the united states doesn't say anything about the immigrants who are coming here desperately and with nothing on their back crossing the border and this immigration crisis it's two completely different things regarding the whole business about climate change i actually don't care whether biden accept the paris accord and there is nothing these people can do about climate change the more they can't

there's no it's a point of no return they can try to soften it as much as they want but ultimately the people who are going to be decisive for climate change are the people and biden is not going to convince the overwhelming majority of the people who distrust the establishment and who distrust the bill gates is in the davoss in the great reset type people they're fundamentally conspiratorial minded fundamentally distrust these people and they're noting

get with the program so there's going to be a lot of resistance to that and that's the main issue actually the main issue isn't who's willing to implement the mot the best policies policies from above and abstractly the main issue is the people who are the impediment to the changes that the climate scientists find necessary to stop the climate disaster although i myself am personally skeptical that there's anything the

can even do to stop the changes that are inevitably going to come i think the only thing that can be done is to adjust to them and i think countries like china are the best equipped to adjust to them now this whole fear mongering about the possibility of a trump dictatorship i simply don't buy it i don't buy that the capitol hill storming was anything other than a skeptical a lot of liberals

got their pennies in a bunch it doesn't impress me as much as it impressed them i suw it for the spectacle and the farce that it was i have no evidence see no evidence whatsoever that trump was going to prevent elections happening after four years this seems like a fairy tale invented by the hysterical liberals and the democratic party it doesn't scare me in the same way it scared them and i'm an

arab muslim morever from a shia background therefore associated with iran who trump is against and i'm saying that the i wasn't scared of it and i wasn't impressed by it if we want to play that game now regarding this thing about the pragmatic approach that trump should be gotten rid of so the democrats can stop using him as an excuse for the fact of that we just

need to get rid of trump well it goes back to the it goes back to this issue of it goes back to the same exact issue of why are you focused on what these establishment democrats are thinking in the first place it doesn't matter what they think because they don't represent the majority of the american people like i said the goal isn't to convince them who's the most viable obviously bernie sanders is never going to be viable toward those people

bernie sanders will only ever be viable to the same anti establishment forces that trump attempted to monopolize now trump failed on many of his promises to help working americans and working families and berni should have intervened there but he did it he shilled for the democratic establishment and i don't see his whole thing about well let's get rid of trump so they can stop using him as an excuse

well just who is using trump as an excuse is it the american people or is it the establishment and the elites who are nowhere near decisive for the victory of progressive socialistic and communistic forces regarding this business about caleb moppin and the fact that when we have money you're going to call us grifters too well you said there's no way he could have sayd there's no way he could say what

he's saying if he wasn't being paid but believe it or not believe it or not we say the same thing we say the same thing and we are getting paid and but you don't know if we're getting paid or not so you should logically deduce that we are getting paid because we say the same things caleb says if you can't see the consistency in that and the only logical conclusion is that he's being paid

off by russia iran and others you have to imply you have to apply the same thing to us you understand because we're saying the same thing so you have to accuse us of that according to you now regarding all of the are got reaally got to those examples the doca the transgender military band i thought found that one to be an interesting point you brought up i'm not sure why i should be impressed

at the fact that biden is making it easier for people to spill the blood of of middle eastern children just because they're transgender not sure what's so impressive about that regarding this whole business of serious vaccine rollout there's nobody who wanted serious vaccine rollout more than trump himself actually biden's victory even though i'm not a harm reductionist and a pragmatist

the fact that byden we is probably going to accelerate people's paranoia and anti vaccine views and make it more difficult for the vaccines to roll out where if trump was in power and telling these people to take vaccines he might have a better job who knows but it's a it's completely beyond the point because it doesn't matter anyway because the whole harm reduction argument is fundamentally flawed and completely farcical but regarding vaccin

scenes as an aside i don't really trust the pfizer m r n a vaccines i just fucking don't i would only i personally would prefer to take a traditional vaccine these m r a vaccines are being rolled out never been never been they have no let's say they have no precedent in history they're completely brand new and we're being the test subjects of these new m r and a vaccines i pers

want nothing to do with them regarding this stuff mention the aids package so we don't have to get into that whole business about how the democrats wanted to give less money to the american people than trump was on the eve of his his leaving office regarding the whole thing about a rational human being would see that biden is better than trump

well then count me irrational because i don't see it ah regarding black lives matter well you mistook what i said you of course the majority of black people think black lives matter and it's curious though that only eighty to eighty to ninety per cent of them support black lives matter that's because black lives matter is also a brand it's not just about having discontent with police killings it's also a brand a very specific

brand that many black people that i've encountered that i've spoken to feels like doesn't actually address the concrete interests and concerns of america's black population but is using black people to vote as a vehicle for the democrats that's what i've seen

uh that's what i've seen

and regarding this whole thing about the possibility of reparations under biden

or them at least being more possible

then under trump

well that's just the thing is that if you want to play games about what is what is at least more possible or what is less possible or what is more harmful what is not more harmful it goes back to that original argument i made you are assuming a god's eye view of society where you can from a utilitarian or whatever perspective

decide what is ultimately going to be the better outcome and

uh and and um

and adjust your actions accordingly i completely reject this view of how individuals relate

to society i

the only thing this is going to do is make you feel better you feel good doesn't say anything about your actual material relationship

to society and the extent of your ability

to affect any type of change in it it just tells me something about your desire to feel morally consistent and feel like you're reducing harm when in actuality you're doing nothing of that

sort and like i said if we were gods who could decide will biden is ultimately better than trump

we wouldn't need to make that choice in the first place we could just have communism immediately

or something

i think that's all

unless i miss something ok you said a lot of shit

so

a few things

um

first off the reason that i would call someone like kyla mop and a griftter and i would call you gripters is really so

oll that h can pretty much be summed up in a few words love for as much as he's a disgusting

weasely little grifter is genuinely intelligent and you are very stupid

so anyway what did you just say to moving for what did you say to me little bitch i've been so fucking polite to you despite you being such a little stupid fuck that now you want to call me stupid

don't fucking test my patience if you want to have a word of words i will destroy you little boy you came on my fuck and show and now you want to call me names and talk shit to me and call me stupid you little bitch don't come on my fuck and show and take advantage of my generosity to insult me and i'm going to give you a choice apologize to caleb right now or it's going to get ugly and apologize to me too or it's going to get ugly your choice

no fuck off ok little bitch then let's have it let's go ready little stupid pussy you sound like the biggest pussy that's ever come on my fucking show so far you little fucking nerd t i don't care that you're fucking seventeen wh the fuk you come on infrared every single point you've made has been so fucking stupid you haven't addressed the single fucking thing i've been saying this whle thing has been going on for so fucking long for so fuck

wrong and you've been wasting my time at it well you've been doing douing around the fundamental fucking points i've been bringing up do you feel smart little boy you feel smart does it make you feel smart you do feel smart but you sound like a little pussy in a dumb fuck who watches bread tub and thinks to smart for it doesn't impress me kid you haven't impressed me kid when i was seventeen what i was doing i knew about hag when i was seven

seen i was smart when i was seventeen you little boy when i was seventeen years old i knew i was reading all sorts of fuck and shit you little dumbest little kid you know impress me for seventeen

help you like you honestly need help oh ok i need help i need help i need help then anything else you're a fucking insane person who's running a fucking clt yes i am insane that's that's where you got me right i am insane i'm not going to stand for your insults i'm barely able to stand your insults against caleb wen your lies and slanders against him but i've been tolerating it this much so far because you haven't been calling any

body names i've been so patient with you i've been so fulking patient with you and you're going to call me stupid

how fucking patient have i been with you kid i've been sitting here dealing with every fucking stupid thing you've been throwing at me thinking about it within a short time span i'm able to as deeply as i can to give you an appropriate response and you call me stupid i'm the one letting you on my fuck and show so if i'm stupid what are you doing did you think you were going to expose me because you failed on that account little boy everyone can see youre a dumb ass little fucking

kid and you're not impressive you're not impressive for seventeen you're not impressive for seventeen i mean frankly you're really fighting my battles for me at this point go ahead

good i'm glad i'm fighting your battles let me fight those battles a little bit don't wait you little bitch you're going to call me stupid who the fuck are you

i let you on my show i'm givin you i'm givin you the opportunity i have more subs than you and i gave you this opportunity i didn't need you you're not helping me you had the audacity to say that you're up there with vash and zanderhall you're the third bread tuper i'm dealing with you're not shit you have less than five hundred subs

i don't need you you're not one of them you're not boosting my views you're not boosting my my exposure i'm helping you your biggest vidio so i mean i guess by the way my voice dominates yours for the stream they can't hear you when you talk over me little fuck if not for the fact that you have a little cock voice

h

that yeah that's funny i don't care what you think you don't care anything else you ll

i really don't you your your words have no you're going to cry tonight when the stream is over when streams over you're going to go to bed crying and you should cry you should feel bad like ranting and raving i can actually go through why all your points are fucking you can't you can't you can't go you can't go ok go ahead and i'm going to interrupt you and i'm going to be rudus fuck and i'm going to demolish you every bit of the way you want to play this game

ok let's do it let's do it gohead no'm not going to be polite anymore

alright sure let's fuck and do this um okay so um let's see what was the first point um okay so you were talking about like how um

biden no good walk back to cameb point but i said camp couldn't say anything he's saying unless he was paid out we say the same thing and we're not paid out and you your answer to that is that we're stupid is that all you have is that all you got on that point

well know just s that you're stupid it's i

poh i'm stupid you little dumb bitch respect your fuckin elders you' be slapped around a little bit you dumb ass little boy respect your fuckin elders

the

respect you fuckin elders when i was seventeen i was way smarter and knowledgeable than you are

for help

no i won't respect you your total asshole respect when i slap the little dumbess face around a little bit ho you come here marshall and call them stupid

a you calling him an asso now

with the funt are you

a fuck am i i'm someone who is more dignified and a better content creator than you are ok then good luck with that see if you rise faster than infrared and bet and you surpass us i want to put your fuck in money where your mouth is improving that for

i looked at you channel your thumbnails are dog shit they look like vomit

your thumbnails looked like vomit

look ugly i mean your channels ugly literal i mean your if we're insulting thumbnails now your thumbnail looks like beautiful like art shot the art project of a five year old who was ok but my thumb nails are beautiful my thumbais are beautiful everyone sees they're beautiful that man i mean this isn't really about arguments anymore now were just talk ok go throg the points you want to make and i'm going to i'

ing to we'll see we'll see go through the points you want to make let's go all right go through the fucking points ok

so as far as like for example the trans military band yeah i agreeus military it's fucking terrible but as an example of why bidens better than truma

i rather happy that everyone has access to the u s military so we can all equally shed each other's blood but actually actually it's not it's going to so we can all shed each other's blood equally what the fuck is wrong with you you know his blood is being sheltered s sp you know his blood is being spileds notocas fk talking about

um

i mean i'd rather have it so that like everyone's able to slaughter people on

equal footing and'd rather have oh you would be you would tough guy you are you such a tough guy you want to slaughter people on equal foolling what a tough little guy you are to want to slaughter other people overseas what a tough guy you are overseas i think that it's bad that people would oh you think it's bad you think it's bad you think it's bad oh good for you you think it's bad but i would prefer everyone does about an equal footing i'm a consequentialist oh it's bad but at least

you know like such a fucking you want it you literally have the mentality of a cocksucker you have the fucking mentality of somebody who says well well i have to play with biden's balls a little bit but you know what this is a little bit you have no dignity no dignity no human dignity no human dignity no human dignity you can keep saying that that doesn't make it true cook like mentality oh he's going to fok my wife a little bit

this is going to fuk my wife a little bit

just a little bit

so the fok out you cock

no h no fuck you um so anyway um more points and i fuck that point by the way go ahead

a

destroyed your point you want to respond to how i destroyed it you want to listing mo n know you didn't you just yeah i did destroy it i destroyed your point what your bot was fucking stupid your fms stupid you want to shed blood equally what a stupid point go on you know i said i would rather have it so that like i would rather have a scenario where i

and fk are you to have that you tough guy to have that who are you to have that scenario tough guy are you god you're going to be slaughtering all these people because you'd rather have it you'd prefer i' hear i'd prefer the people getting slaughtered by means canentirely outside of my control i would sleep better at night and would you sleep better at night is that what you tell yourself to sleep better at night

yeah i mean it works you know don't ask you don't ask ok you haven't even remembered that i gt more bullied enough in schools your problem the act

that the american military does fuck up things

is irrelevant to the fact that

everyone should be every american should be allowed

to serve in the milit what's so relevance of what what's so relevant about that true what's so relevant it is relevant w like when your b trans military dad

that means that trans people who are w

you know who are employed by the military will be kicked out and they'll lose their livelihoods they'll lose their jobs they'll have to find a fucking fuking b fucking fucking w it's a tough word it's a tough world you to finding the parameters it's a tough ad kids are fucking being droed and bombed kids are starving and dying all over the fucking world thresold for you tolerate in this word

arbitrary oh you know you grew up in the projects and you're economically suffering well it's a top world for you folks changing the threshold i'm a communist you dn'b cocksucker i'm a communist so i'm not saying what you're saying i'm a communist i'm not schilling for biden so wow we can just take it as it is i'm not shilling for biden i'm a communist so it doesn't apply to me don't get it twisted

i have no idea how that's relevant to anything it is falking relevant you're the one saying oh i would prefer this i would prefer that as a communist i don't prefer this or that i see why are you doing this ok why are you doing it look dumms falk

like ok can i mean

okay god we we kept going on from point after point what's the next point um okay so um

god so the idea is that like um that like well we have to keep in mind like you know we have to do keep in mind that like what

like harm reduction like what

is by good de you might spit it out car spit it out i'm i'm on so many limited time spit it out kid

okay uh fine i was just about to get to it

so if trump is president there is a very legitle possibility

that we might not all be here in what does it have to do with what isn't within the sphere of your own practical intervention as an individual subject you fucking idiot that was my point i didn't make hypothetical scenarios from a holistic point of view and you far monger about extinction you cak i don't buy about extinction i und extinct under trump it's going to happen under biden to but i don't think we're going to go fucking extinct

litle cck by the democratic party right and you're under bond under threat of extinction that's what you're trying to sell the american people for usre going to die see how that works out for you see how that works out for your kid in your political future you going to fall flat on your dumb as face is what i can promise you call me stupid come on my fuck and show instead of thinking me that i'm giving you this opportunity

se this chat doesn't matter how respectful we are they're always going to disrespect us

no matter what we do no but they don't know what they have coming for them when they disrespect me they don't know what they have coming for them

calling me names

and i'm being so patient with this kid so fuckin patient and the pussy left this little pussy left there you have it

there you have it

he deserves to be bullied

there you have it chat he lefht

surrendered

and he's crying he's crying right now good cry

good cry you learn to respect

people when you talk to them even if you're not face to face with them you respect the people you're talking to and you don't sit on people like caleb

who worked on seems like he's done a lot of work for america's working families and he's done a lot of real work

he's he's's do he's been through so much he's an experienced guy you think twice before you talk shit about people like this you' going i'm going to make you guys start putting respect on these people's names

even if i have to look crazy in the process of doing it because i'm fucking sick of seeing it i'm sick of seeing how they disrespect him

because he represents us all

he represents us all

he just sent me a discord message fuck you he's crying in tears

he's crying in tears youjust send me a discord message fuck you

woh

you did really

nice

better luck next time kid

you were pathetic

hell know

hello do i have averyone

hi what's up

what a discussion what a discussion

fucking disrespect is incredible you're near the breadsom by the way

what

now i'm talking to us

ah

i hope someone ties you up and makes you watch your girlfriend get raped

you worthless fucking lunatic he just sent me this message guys

man in the wall on discord

his name is man in the wall what's his discord name

let's put it in the chat

what's his discord name

man in the wall

i can't find his fucking discord number

man in the walll just said i hope someone ties you up and makes you watch your girlfriend o kay

and if okay

you worthless falking lunatic

this is the type of people we're dealing with

finish high school first you have to finish

algerb

algebra two first ok

go finish algebra two first then then say this

okay i'm

i'm going to go back to zoom

i told him he was he sent me these messages guys he goes

he goes i hope someone ties you up and makes you watch your girlfriend get raped you worthless fucking lunatic

and then i said finish high school first

you have to finish algebra two first ok screenshot ok i'm a screenshot and shared in the discord

so every one knows who this is this will be his opport his listen kid

man in the wall you know how this cancel culture shit works right

so you want to career on youtube is what you want right

so i'm screenshoting this message you sent me

and

there you're going to be cancelled forever now

congratulations social democrats

you're going to be cancelled

you have rape fantasies you're a weird fuck

kid

evidence

one

this is going to haunt you forever now be careful what you say on the internet kid

be careful what you say on the internet god will god knows i know it

when i'm doing all this crazy shit god knows i know it

but you be careful kid i know what i'm getting into don't think like you can be like me

i'm a fucking crazy guy who's got nothing to lose in life

that's why i do what i do

you're not like me kid

you fucked up i'm not showing you

an e merg

i don't care if you're seventeen i remember when i was seventeen i still wasn't stupid as you

still wasn't as fock

stupi

you when i

so i'm not going to show you

ore guys going to discord and going to announcements and you're going to see

i screenshoted evidence

of o

his disgusting word

let's see

official infrared server invite people

copy i'm going to give you guys the links to the discord and everyone can see plain as day

what this kid is saying

you said cancelling people is cowardly well i'm not cancelling him i'm just going to put it out there what he told me

and

god knows what happened

you know

god knows what happens to him i don't give a fuck not my responsibility

but i just want to

make sure it's on the record what he just told me

and i don't care what happen

you're right cancelling people is cowardly but i'm not cancelling him

i'm not asking for him to be d platform

i'm not telling you to

that you tube should de platform him

and i'm not telling twitch

that they should de platform him

so there's nothing cowardly about it

what a waste of time how long was that

how much time did i give him this kid who's seventeen years old

like an hour

like an hour more an hour of my time

foker actually thought this was our first polite debate

on our show but he had to call a stupid

yed to call a stupid he called me stupid yet to call me stupid

he tested my patients it was a test the patients i didn't interrupt him once

i let him speak

i was trying to politely go through all of his points

and he called me stup

for

fucking tour kid

let that be an example

will be polite to if you be polite to us

but i want nothing more than to throw

meet

to our chack

in his blood sport

i want nothing more than to entertain

so don't test me

don't be disrespectl

because my respect for stupidity is a test of patience

and that kid was fox

for seventeen

test of my patience

don't push over the line

by calling me fucking stup

ok

imagine building a youtube career of building seventeen years a year olds what are you talking about

he didn't give us anything

hes luck

five hundred sops at most

and also he started he and became respectful at first

this was very one sided we were the ones helping him

you know it was extremely one sized

we were not benefiting from him being

we were not benefiting from him being

you know

can we support on papal not yet

when we average two hundred viewers

then we'll start

dealing with the subscriber

with the first thing i think we should do is

isn't it on switch you can just subscribe for free with amazon

crime

or do is you have to unlock amazon prime

you need to have a prime accunt

you know i know a lot of people have prime accounts i think that's the first way we want to monetize

through private

and then maybe we'll start taking dontos at like two fifty

to fifty consistent viewers

weere at one hundred twenty nine

you know so we're not taking any money

onm

i don't know why people think they can fuk with us when i'm polite

you see how you go uust want to know why i say doga dog world

because when i'm polite that is how they eat you up

this is how they disrespect

when you're polite

they disrespect you

dog eat dog world you have to show strength

you have to show brutality

you've gota show ruthlessness

or else

they find you weak

and they try to eat you right up

that's the nature of this world

oh yeah the debate with the ukrainian girn was also polite

you're right

yeah

but also do you realise how almost everyone

who comes from this libertarian

social democratic whatever background

they're all

so polite on the outside and whatever

but when it really comes down

they all became cascis like what is this creepy ns message like uh

i hope someone rapes your girlfriend orall

the boch it's calling um

ah

calling asrar chinese names and whatever

raiss names i mean sorry

they're all fking chrismn

i think we should have an age limit on our discord like

eighteen o you know eighten at least

ya

so all like it's three fourths of our viewers going to be go

honestly

the kid the whole thing with kids is that

i cant you a kid

but seventeen you should know better

why don't you consider taking prime subs as pandering

what what do you mean it's been it's free right you just

attach your to which prime

how's a pandery

wait what's anglo brainrot chat

what's going on

what have i miss

yeah

yeah dude

howe kid said he's going to be bigger than infrared and he's a better he said his content is better than us

should we look at his comment content i don't think so

yeah we can look at it

then the is n a man at the wall

yeah

man in the wall

you tube should have an age limit you know

you tube should have an age limit i don't want to buod this skd anymore

his his channel so pathetic

he literally talks about teen titans

man in the wall

teen times made me a believer

the srek song and like after in the end of strek two and donkey in the dragon ill dancing

because i'm a believer

sign

i

yeah do that need to be taught to respect their elders you know

i'm not taking this bull shu dude i don't get any sleep man

and i took i let him take up all our time

because this stream is not going to last too long you know

maybe another hour or two

but

it's not going to be an eight hour stream i gave him an hour

it's very tiring talking to a kid like that

i'm so exhausted

in general

it's like don't test my patientce you know don't test my patients

you guys know something

that

this whole weekend i have no tie i've had no time to just sit down

like i've all i every single minute of this weekend has been spent

working on infrared somehow

every single second besides

when i'm in bed in my bed

sleep

it's all been spent

on infraes

all of

making thumbnails

you know

attending to comments in the discord and all this kind of stuff

a

have you seen the fred hampton movie

i find it cringe from the get go

i don't know

i don't know dude

you know every time i think of fred hampton

i think of

our guy

evian

because he has the profile picture

you know

yeah that movie

i don't care for that

seems cringe are you still doing collins yeah we are

just let me know what your discord name is and i'll let you in

let me know por name is maw

's not

h urgent that some people are asking if you can make the chat more visible on the screen

because it's sometimes difficult to reach

i can't finx having either outlined the text or having a little box i don't know

i can't do it right now i'll do i'll try to do it for next stream

i can't do

john doe's so fucking week to bully a kid in the play the victim

he's not a kid dude

i remember when i was seventeen

i knew my fuck and manners

you can't fuck excuse this behavior dude if they were fucking

fifteen then maybe you'd be right

but when you're a senior in high school you should know bet

he should know fucking better dude

how my weak john doe

who is john doe

you know

you

you

thank you so much you're from call mopa s what' up when you critical thinking how are you

appreciate you ma'm

appreciate you

alexis yeah go to the discord if you want collins

come on show request

oh smug princess is alexis

is its hostile

is it

debate related

what made the debate escalate to rape threats

he called me stupid

and then i told m if you want to start being nasty i can be more nasty than you

and he seech each said ok and then i was nasty to him

i know not nowhere near that level of the rape threatoring

but then hes he raded quit

and he sent me rape threats

and the d m s he said heypes i'm tied up

and my girlfriend is raped in front of

oh you're the real john doe

that's what i was fucking wondering becuse i thought john doe

was always

supported but this is a fake john doe this is like wash john doe

he's like a doppel game

that's the doppel ganger john

oh ok blue john doe is the

good john doe

you don't have the same p f pcause is brown

as i can see hi

i don't think that sage sages yesterday's news guys he's like a

he's such a minor villain now that we've debated wash

he's so irrelevant

is so relevant

but i don't think sages a real guy i think he's like a glowy

actually think he's a fed

and

why were they trying to stop us because of this guys look hof we have one hundred

we we peaked one hundred fifty viewers tonight or some

hundred twenty five viewers

that's why that's why they were trying to stop us because they could see what all you people are seeing

check the discord for do want to talk about

some of your opinions not opinions your beliefs

like how the weaker genocide ok

alright sure

azra if you're here please come because you might want to talk to them

to

you're watching this as

if you're wll

but you might not

you might

want to be

ok i'm going to go into the discord i'm going to let them on

yah

hello alexis

yeah let me h

your stream real quick

well

thank you i've just kind

i've been wondering like since you said that uger dina i i can't pronounce it right i'm sorry

ya thank you um i i wonder

ya name uh if you're

in the stream i'll check it out as well i have i'll have it open

whoa that is a lot of horses

okay i'll check it out later but um

i'm wondering how you came to that conclusion

at the

uh we your genocide is it real

it's not that i came to the conclusion it wasn't real

it sai that i was insufficiently persuaded

by all the supposed evidence people were

levying that it was real

i'm just persuaded as ha

innocent until proven guilty is what you're saying

course

course i buy that all right

i've been j i i was i've been kind of just curious how you ca

how you came to be as you put it one hundred percent solidist

a hundred percent mildest i've been kind of curious how you

i

obtain these opinions

my opinion a different story but i'd be happy to explore that if you want

yeah

let's see um

like many of you

now i don't know how many

like many people

i used to be a type of um

a smart intellectual what is a smart intellect

i

a smart intellectual is a western marxist

whose

read very complicated philosophies

and theories

and a priori this puts them above

vulgar

stalinism and marxism

yeah definitely

course like from people like you know a priori has to say

marxism leninism is somehow flawed and deficient

because it's wrong and deficient by virtue of being real

k is an intellectual and

everything real is somehow wrong in some

right

so ya

he has to place himself above its so

yeah i'm going to be honest i haven't read a book since like sophomore year of high school

and whenever i had to do any reading i just

spark noted it

like a lot of people i probably should start reading

some theory like i feel like i do

disagree with you right now

although how that person

went about

responding that was awful like no one should be

especially like saying like rape of all things that's it's true

yeah you want to want to be traumatized thats it's a teenager i guess and there

oh yeah i emotional

i had an gular paints

the you need to learn there's consequences

for those

yeah and it is it is clear from me talking to you that

but

you do follow uh treat others how you want to be treated like you waited until

he started calling you stuff to go all out a oh m god that was hilarious that's kind of why i am soup to you like i do disagree if you want a ton of points i feel like

but it's like i don't have enough information to really

talk about it or have like a debate about it

that's completely i've been kind of wanting to just learn more of your stances i've been i definitely am glad that you are open to

explaining your points

i think

i

i think i was coming from a perspective

that's type of intellectualis

m

and still fundamentally committed to this idea

i mean

yeah

not

i don't want to

name drop shit

oh definitely yeah don't name drop it's

that starts co sch i was a marxist who wanted to defend marxism and believed in

communist

but there came a point where

i encountered contradictions in my own views

and

long story short i discovered how those contradictions were already reconciled

in actual reality

and it's almost like it was under your whole nose the whole time this enigma

the riddle of his

is what mark

marx called communism the riddle of history sow

for a long time for me communism was

means we must searching for this riddle of

so und knows i would discover

was

and i was just making assumptions

about the nature of stalinism and y was

that were onwarrant

and i was just knocking on an open door

and

but i also

so it's a it's definitely

i you want to think in terms of feeling

because

honestly the

i

feeling is the source of theories in

not yes i'd agree with that actually not blind unmediated

feeling

i

but

it's a dialectic between thought

and this

deeper more subterrestrial unconscious

reality which is

very

very much

very

fath

s

there's no one who's

in this

identifying with all of this

some completely mechanical

positivistic

reason why just re utilitarian

im a sty

so there's a definitely a

and there is definitely a spiritual element

to how i've arrived at the views

that i have but there also is a profoundly theoretical

it's not just

feeling and spirituality

you've read a lot of theory correct

read and written yes

red and red

but i don't want to i know i don't like to say i've written because

i have to show receipts it's kind of love

so just yeah i'm asking maybe take my word for it hypothetically yeah

i will because you seem passionate about this and it would make sense that you've wrote

some sort of theory

yam

yeah and i like your strategy like i do

again i do c i do feel like i disagree on some levels but

i do like your strategy of rather than going

full theory junkie of just appealing to the working class that's more important than

going high in my because

the working class

are you muted or something since it's ust just like going off on discord

uh can you hear me

ya sorry therere

yeaes were you saying something

h it might be feedback on my part let me try to move my mike a little bit away

yeah sounds good

all right let me

reclect my points i'm sorry i ar you forgetful but

ah

i'm sorry

m

yeah but i do feel like if you want to appeal you have to appeal to the working class it's more important

i am a privileged

fuckwit i'm not going to lie my brother owns a tesla

there's no there's there's listen

this may ring controversially i don't think there's any shame people shouldn't feel shame

for any of their background

they should only judge p ves on the basis of shame or pride on the basis of what's in front

how are you relating to your back

does your background

to give you a sense of arrogance and superiority

over the people does it do things like that does it

fundamentally

does it handicaped

your ability

to relate

the people that work

i

are you

withholding

possibilities

that are otherwise possible on the basis of

deep seated

prejudice

comes

these are all very important things yeah

all privileged people have to struggle

but ultimately there is no original sin

coming from a privilege

i i'd actually very well agree with that sense

i feel like if

i personally disagree with violent revolution but if you do want one

i feel like

the rich should be given a choice like sacrifice

your wealth and become an average citizen

yeah or based the consequences of

your exploitation

with within revolutions i think that was always the case formally

was always the case formally but

people underestimate the extent to which

the struggle the conflict

come so ugly

intense on the other side

i

the class enemy is so resistant

the change posed by

people

people's rob

and the pulitarian

two types

to co temporal revolution

popular one in

ulitary

what

the resistance to that

is

i mean look at the resistance to a small tiny

phenomena like infrared

yeah imagine if this was a political phenomenon in actual reality

people would lose their fucked minds the struggle would reach such a level of intensity that it would cultivate bitterness

you know

the reason why the rich

are guillotine

in revolutions

beyond being explosions of popular passion that cannot be

they just can't

yeat in the revolutions there's just

sheer anger like in leads to

these kinds of things where they make

decisions like on the spot like

but it's ultimately not simply because

people

hates people because

they are sl

it's also because those people are actively impeding

people's ability

right

that makes a lot more sense i i'd agree with that point because it's not

it's that like

like corporate cce e o s are in this and like

like those are the people not giving them their fair share of the labor

well i mean i

it's also that

there are differences in reality

there are simply class differences that reflect in political reality

i

i don't think you know what i always love to say

is that

in my view

i don't simply

think of communism as a revenge fantasy against

i think communism is

mainly about

rendering them super

producing more wealth

that makes them outdated a rich person in the middle ages

after the industrial revolution if they only have their specific means of production

they become poor

so it's also about surpassing and outmoding

i

but there are popular passions

that will express themselves in any revolution

which i doubt can be

ange

this is yeah

when i

its cold worldes dogga dog reality

we live in

the ugliness that manifests itself

revolutions

you can't contain it

simply

i'm sorry it's like you can't really contain the dot

dog eat dog mentality that

in the

in nature i feel like like you can

change it to be more civilized

and make it down to arguments but

in politics people are going to be fierce

yeah it's just because in actuality it's a very ugly world

and that ugliness is not going to be destroyed in a revolution it's going to be given new expression

would you prefer

a nonviolent revolution over a violent one of course ok

i think all the evolutionaries in his

they actually were quite naive at the out

most revolutionaries in history never expect

wy

i would much prefer

a nonviolent

revolution because i feel like the

sorry

i feel like the best case scenario is that we get a new constitution

i personally believe in

a more direct democracy now i'm not saying

like how someone in the discord put it like

to the point of how much toilet paper

that

a white house can have or something

i don't want love but i do feel like you need to get the people more involved

representative democracy isn't real democracy

well

um

you know

i think it's just my view is that the

we can have all sorts of ideas about

political innovations

economic policies and all sorts

things we want

for example one of them that strikes me as interesting is andreang you know the one came on

you know yeah it's interesting to me on andrew ang

is that

i think he epitomizes this contradiction like we can want things

but ultimately there is an objective

structural reality

of an establishment

and by established i mean a

a few things

the institutions

that are the vestige of a prior

period of production

which impede revolution

s

production

so it's at the institutional level that there's an

smam

there's also vested

network

interests on the basis of

family ties

love

ret you know all sorts

things

that

i

it like any aristocracy

and then there's a cultural elite

book

well

so

if you cannot topple this established

there's n you can't do any

you know so that is i think where the fundamental side of struggle is

i can be a communist

another person can be something else

they can

we need to unite

simply

n it's not it's not simply that i say that it's just that i say we have to recognize that objectively speaking

we're all in the same boat

object

it doesn't necessarily mean we have to unite it just means that

when we deal with the objective reality of our position we find ourselves in this position of being outside of the big club

that's preventing any change from

good point

well yeah

man in the wall

dude i'm sorry about what i said about your girlfriend that was gross and vile

and i shouldn't have done that ok well i accept your apology i'm glad thank you for apologizing

i accept your apology

i

yeah

you know

maybe we should delete the welyeng just completely rand i was looking at chat and someone said doge coin rolled in weirdly enough before this i was working to set up a doge coin minor since i got no laptop and it's like

i might as well use it for something

well not oh no not like a laptop desktop on a dos but its like i'm looking for a new one myself what kind of

uh it's an old one it's like a g t x ten seventy i got a new laptop from i think it's prebuilt from omen

or something that's got like an r t x

it's pretty nice although i don't use it for graphic intensity don m

t x

like twenty sevenx thirty sevny

twenty seven

oh wow that

crazy

yeah it's nice although for graphic intensive games

your legs will burn

expect third degree burns

hawai oh because it's they get the machine gets p

yeah exact yeah that's exactly so you need to be prepared for that with a laptop i mainly got it cause i was going to college

uh that didn't that didn't go well for personal reasons but um

i got it for college and i need someone train that i could take to a dorm and a desktop wouldn't really cut it

wow

crazy man

yeah

you know i i

i'm looking for a new p c myself mine is kind

talging along

no

u i think i'm goinga wait

so

think they're overpriced

shes

um yeah i'd say bitcoin and like crypto currencies are kind of

responsible for that because graphic cards

uh

are we're good for it

and

just it drove the price out a shit ton

yeah

i

save that screen for potential infrared can

what screen

we shouldn't be cancelld and whatsever you canceulturre

cancer culture is toxic

it really is

i've had to deal with it

i've had to deal with some really awful accusations

and it resulted in

me nearly killing myself i'm not going to fucking likemy hans a culture is awful and

it shouldn't exist i mean you've seen

some i've seen people

go back three years find some weird take

like a single thing when they've been consistently

good

behaved i'd say sorry it's a weird way of putting it i'm kind of a dumb dumb i'm a dumb fuck

openly admitted

i am miss anderhol fen

that's how i found out about you

y i

i originally came to troll you i'm not going to fucking lie then i decided to talk to you instead

i literally think the first thing i said the come on show request was what what is it like to ride the short bus and you thought it was umerination

but i i donated the thing

i di

yeah i decided to be more open

and i did i feel like that this is

this is the way

this is what we need to do

open discussions

i've talked with a fuck toon of people hell i've

i've

had it chill

a weirdly chill conversations with

fascist of all people and i've been able to change some of their opinions

and i feel like when you get that in if you're calm you can get it in

and if that's what you want you can change that opinion

i kind of agree with that approach you know i understand people

if you're

from a particular background

if you don't want to engage in

people with used diamet

we oppose

but

if you i

beyond that i don't think there's any excuse for leftists

to not be able to

just have you know just talk

people with completely different views

they

and they have from the right wing

yeah

well

i appreciate you coming on

yeah

it since it seems like other people want to talk i

it's been nice talking with you man we talked you yesterday actually although for a little bit you were kind of

yell and a chat

so we weren't really able to have much for real conversation and

it was nice and i

as someone

someone said i was the most basic guest like that

i'd say like that disagrees if you in some ways i feel like

why i don't likel ones at least

yeah i feel like that's important politeness

ok well

see a man alright

baf

s

all right so we're going to have

laidex on

i

barnage

please state

reason

and then i'm going to have blad

ok ladex you have some questions

hello can i can i speak

yeah yeah

we have a queue as as of right now so

can't take too much time but i'll try to answer as much

sure yeah m

i guess i'll just get out of the way real quick but i'm a huge fan of the show and

i've i've known about your work for some time and i'm really thankful that

that like you're doing it sorry after met that you tube stream of being a little confused about what you're say about who's talking ohay' a

god damn it i need have

h h

it's fine it's fine's not too bad y

so i

i just want to ask so like

i know yesterday kind of like you know

shitting on bosch was kind of you know

got some reach

um but i was kind of curious like i know that like the online left doesn't really like like

doesn't really translate to the real world some quite curious where you see like like

like this project going in the long term

if you have any

right and and i'm not just asking you i'm asking everybody like involved in the project but i figured you might have the most

kin input on that yeah

and i think i can answer it in the quickest way especially because i live in america and it sounds like you're an american right

yes

yeah

i

i think i' would put it this way

i don't want people to

directly do any

but here's what i

in our day to day existence

as human being

we work

we plive

i'm saying

let me get

not speaking that's you i can to see a lot of people

oh what is he saying

here's what i mean to say

what you can do

is

recognize the small windows of opportunity

as they enter into your purview

seas mmhmm

and um

get involved

you

you want if you're into getting in

i

mmhmm

get involved in a real politics

become a leader of your

community

some

be an example

to the people around

your family

friends

imunity

while recping

some kind of identy

this

i

steer

there just

seize windows of opportunity

small windows of opportunity in your every day

lif

don't gterdrot

your normal life

don't drop your friends don't drop

family don't do these crazy kind

just small bit by bit

changes

the personal level

this is where i think

ideological

cultural

so on changes

think they happen small bit

not saying fundamentally join my calt in my farm

leave your whole life

and definitely i'm not saying

start arguing with your the people around you and antagonize all the people around you who disagree with you

it's very important that communists

learn to be human

learned writing normal human beings

and reconcile that

with their

convictions and their

and reconcile means recognize this is a unity of o

mhmm

great ideal

lofty ideal

leas

and on the other hand we have

fundamental commitments

human being

to honor our

them

course

yeah

i

so this must there must be a sense of the

there must be a sense of relief not realely

there must be a sense of the

home of some kind that comes from this

reconciliation

i'm not a guy like the austin red guards who says let's go in my approach do it tomorrow you know

that that's why i love the movie

the wandering earth because i think it teaches people to just accept

they have to deal with life on a day to day

is you're not going to bypass it

life must be dealt with on the day to day

fass the sun will rise

in the morning tomorrow

said

and h

there isn't going to be some sudden change

going to just make our lives

better

we have to keep chugging along

and

hopefully

communism is a great sport source of mental and spiritual

focus relief and peace

people's lives

that then allows them to be delivered

to the concrete political

class struggle

as it manifests itself in the manifold of our

daily experience

i

that way when we're confronted with a decision of some kind and we are all confronted with these

small

decisions you can choose the correct

and these things add up

these things at

of worre thing is so

there's different you know

many of my viewers are not going to be able to drop what they're doing

quit their jobs and dedicate their lives

house

they're just not

i mean also like profession in and in and of itself

building right

is a profession in and of itself

parties almost a corporation

we have to feed our

we have

we red are just in media

we're nazy

organization

so what i mean to say by this is that

i think i would tell different people different things if you will have already committed your life

politics

being a

professional

a

what they would say a professional revolutionary and you've managed

carbon existence on

cass

i would tell you something very different than what i would tell someone

who's working

to support themselves on a day to day basis and doesn't simply doesn't have time

to

dedicate so much time and energy

all of

you know

people who have to work

minimum eight hours a day

full time

there's only so much time you have for leisure

's only so much time you have

for

cultivating yourself as a human being

and

that shouldn't be neglected there's no shame

in cultivating yourself as a human being

because i promise you the people who are fanatically devoting one hunred

you know

devoting everything

to

austin red guards direct action

are on a road to nowhere

i guess

this romantic

dedication of one's life

to a complete liquidation and complete immediate revolution of some kind

a road to no

to road to n

i guess m my question is like you know how will we

noc cause it's one thing to be like okay obviously i shouldn't dedicate my life to like the austin like red guards of putting

you know dead pig heeads outside of people's houses

um but it's quite another to you know see a working class movement kind of begin to like emerge and then

have to think to yourself you know

i guess i guess my my question is is there such a thing as saying this is it

or do you just have to put your fath every time and kind of be like

hey the workers are trying something

um

i'm going to support them in trying that because that's that's kind of where i've arrived at is that like

not not a blind faith in the workers but a belief that if they're advocating for some interest of theirs

but even if i as like a middle class software engineer p m c

shit had

can't understand it or think oh it's like reactionary that like well no

ok the workers are trying to you know survive

you need to be able to

to take their viewpoint first

you know is that is that the correct way to go about things like like i just am i am i just blindly following them then or is that like you know the right

i guess asking what you think about that i think there needs to be a sense of

so limit

solemniti

i

in the realisation that the working class

the people

are not just the one the people you encounter in your everyday life

so the strangers in your life

people who you've seen once and you'll never see again

and the people who you will never even meet

and you'll never see

there has to be a sense of relief

they will never be familiar

when you can think of the working class in this way

can

you can think of people

as you're getting by da

struggling to support their families

and themselves

you can have the necessary discipline

patience

i consider

correct

the marxists

proletarian

wisdom

i don't think the proletarian

is a constant

disruption

i mean they want to live and grill right that's kind of a joke but it's like sincere like they want to live their life and not be troubled with these things you know

paperino

i think sach completes

isn't necessary but it can have utility

no don't go don't get a twist it i agree but those people are what you would call professional revolutionary

and those people are always going to be a small minority

of people let's

that's what i mean is that

professional revolutionaries must have

a sense of patience in the realization that

most people are not going to spend their whole lives

for communism after all communism

is almost a kind of abstract negation at least in the beginning

the right thing

isn't about

realizing an ideal goal

ultimately life must go on

for human beings

it's must go on we must

have families in some way

i'm not saying

there's

re

we must

reproduce as human beings

we must

um

support ourselves

we must deal with the trials and tribulations that come with life

so

not just capitalism

and not just

opression

but life itself

there's something

there's something there

dealing with the elements of nature is a trial and tribulation

humanity

for sure

um

i said a couple more questions i hope i'm not taking up too much time in the qeuses building up but i sure

so just like along those lines of you know like one has to live their life and one you know has to

fulfill the needs of their family and their friends and so on like

i guess i

infrared ism media

like

kind like apparatus it seems like the main and

uh correct me if i'm wrong but the main kind of

position right now is just kind of like trying to

like undo the damage that like bred tube has done to

you know kind of painting what

leftists quote unquote are

and kind of present

and

alternative way about thinking about the world that like isn't

you know just

there are right principles and wrong principles and if you don't believe what i believe then like you're fucking idiot and stuff

um

and given that that's kind of the position like

m

i did want to ask like are you going to be putting out more content that's like along those lines where i don't have to tune into a live she pick up the content and kind of go along and

maybe you know lists of things that i might want to read or like sources of news or like other channels that could be interesting to look into

because it seems like you guys got your views from a lot of different

places and that's why you're able to kind of like not just view china in this like china bad way or also like not just be like

you know well if you want to have like

know my views on china i just like open up whatever x is saying on twitter like it seems like you guys have very eclectic source of news and i would like to know if you're going to

put that out there for us

yeah i mean we're not only going to battle bread tube and by the way the thing about battling bread tube is

you know

the one thing i think infrared is about

the one thing we want to do

you want to inspire

fool

and we want to give people some hope

he's troubling

we want to give people a sense

despite all the bullshit they're dealing

there's a ray of sunshine

the end of

ca

and that

things are really bad now

by

will give

even if we don't live to see

and i also don't want to just inspire people with feel

we also want to feel people make people feel powerful

bee will feel very weak

there's a reason why people

because the system the establishment

the status quo when the

crushing conditions of life make them feel

they feel weak when they see

people like jeff basil was being trotted around

for sure yeah

all this bullshit

it makes the mean we

and helpless

powerless

and when we are

you know

engaging in hostilities with bread to

i want people to see

this as an expression of

people's ability to be

power

have that kind of

people who are telling you you have to accept

the blatant un indignities of life

a they're paper tigers i am a maoist

i believe the enemies of the people are paper tied

i don't want people to be intimidated

i don't want people

feel like

there's no home

and that these enemies are so powerful

there's not

i want people to realize that's why we i say

sounds ridiculous

the bigness and power of the people

that's what i think we had infrared we believe

we don't just

want to help

we want to assure

the people aren't just weak they're strong

people can do things themselves and so on

ya we want to

demonstrate that the people are mighty force

you know there's a

the end quotation one of the quotations from

a soviet movie in ninetheend thirty

three

uh three songs for lenon i don't know if it was thirty three maybe thirty one thirty two

it was

a million grains of sand

a are a mighty force

the week

when united

are a mighty force there's a might

and power to the people lateon

i'm not saying they should be powerful i'm not saying it would be nice if they would be power

saying the people are power

they are powerl

they just need to awaken to that fact

and they can accomplish any

for sure yeah i mean i

just

before i

i gues my last question i

i do want to mention like just

from my background of study like when i first approached like

marxism i i did the phase in high school where i was a trot

and i i i was i was so desperate to kind of um

disavow

stalin but like mainly mao i just always felt like you know

there's this fucking crazy person who's who's who's

you know

who's who's the who's the got like squads people out like m

murdering people in the in the like worl but the very western conception of like what like now is in is

o but the longer it goes on the the more i read nw the more i'm like you know it's

kind of a coming home that like mao

um

has such upmost faith in the people and in what the party can do for the people and in what the people can take away from the party and it's so important it's o precisely that i mean stalin and ma appear to be very cold hearted

people

you have to think think about the fact that

they always have in their heart

and in their minds

millions and millions of people whose faces they will never see direct

that's who they care to

mmhmm

yeah

i'm glad you came on

it was a really nice

very pleasant discussion

but

fortunately i have to

oh yeah i'm so sorry for taking up

so much time don't worry about it but

thank you so much

coming on

yeah

thank you

that

thank you so much for like answering like all of my questions i'll uh

leave you to it

thank you sir

isr

jennifer i agree we don't only have to have debaters on we can have people come and

talk and discuss what they're all about

man and the wall is back he wants to come on again

ok he wants to apologize we'll give him the opportunity

okay

men in the wall

hey am i on the and i on the stream now

well

um look i'm here to say that

ah even though obviously we disagreed a lot in our conversation

and i said i

and uh we fought a lot

what i said to you in those discord notifications was

really revolting

and pretty terrible and pretty unacceptable frankly

and i'm very sorry that i said that

and i hope that

uh i mean i don't think we're ever going to be on very good terms

but i figured i wouldn't feel right if i wasn'un able to come here and admit that i was genuinely wrong

and i'm sorry about that but that's all i want to say

okay

ok i accept your apology

appreciate your apologies

and i guess i'll remove it from the announcements

you apologize

ya i um

i look i am

yeah that that's probably i mean it's like

i've done i've had like

i

i'm not always the best a controlling my anger and sometimes it gets out of hand

like um i notice some of your like

fans also dug up some of the stuff that i said about okim that was another example where the anger just kind of got out of control

and what i said wasn't okay and i apologize to him and dm's

he forgave me and we made up but it still wasn't ok

and i do need to do a better job in the future of

like im

like distilling and

like controlling

the

um my anger just in general it's it's just not healthy

i

and uh it it jt it leads to just me doing some like pretty

reprehensible stuff like that like i did

and m

i

i'm i'm sorry that uh i'm also sorry that like uh

i called just stupid i think that um

that wasn't a

uh i i mean i could have

i could have phrased that in a

maybe a better way that wouldn't have caused

such a

volatile reaction you know

that that just wasn't cool

i am

you know i i guess uh

i i i wish you well i guess i don't really know what else to say you know

well it's enough you apologize

i accept your apologies

i still

think it's kind of rude what you said about cable

and

yeah mean for that

do

i mean i don't know

i i

like uh as far as what i said about caleb like being a a grifter like um

i mean

like

i

i mean to be honest i i do like stand by that and i feel like i haven't wronged caleb in the same way that i may be wronged you so

i'm not sure if i'm comfortable about doing that one

but i guess

these accusations and we're not going to tolerate this name calling

so respectfilly ok

if nothing else then i can say that i

that like maybe

ah the name calling

was a little bit uncalled for maybe i can say that if nothing else

i still don't like him but i could have maybe raised my i could maybe to be clear i read its not going to be a platform in which we're going to allow people to talk smad

about

hard working and dedicated

the

for

so i hope that's out there and clarify

um alright

you we do have to move i mean i so i accept your apology

and

we should just leave

alright

court

ginji what are you talking about

and i

dic ok mentioned us wow

that's crazy

yeah

and for future we have to do these creams earlier because i need to sleep

i know we did

seven a m almost

so ah okay

first of all there's a guy in switch called goingm knowose eight eight

does want to come on our stream

can you please tell us what you want to do wan to stream dude because

i don't i can't let you get us bann

but i can have a good faith conversation with you

oh

but i'm not going to you know

like

don't get us bad

you've clearly coming from a different

you want to c talk about

i

is that

meds itza

that

whatl

u to sleep

to you

he wants to talk about

ritual

jewish circumstances

jude

ok selater

dude is not going to have

not going to

do this is not the time

right

ah

what happen how it's disconnected

he had to go here to

well there's skars feedback calling from you

i

let me read

yeah we were going to talk to cale

we're going to talk

can look

dude

goingam knowos eight eight

dude

you gota state your business you seem like a troll

you know you seem like

i don't mind debating

far right people

i don't mind doing that

but i don't know you're serious

you know

no i'm not going to explain that wy i'm not going to fucking

it's not going to happen to

no i'm not going to let you on the

you're not coming

not that he

it's not going to have

it's not going to have

re serious dude what did you just say

you're going to give me band

and i don't even want to talk about

like i don't want to talk about

how about that i don't even want to talk about that subject

i'm not just about to talk about anything due

i not just going to talk about anything do you guys see what he said

dude that's really fucked up

i'm not just about to talk about any

we'll take anyone on

we're not about to just talk about any

tired of this guy fucking defending

a reactionary statement

revolution

yeah a glowy trying to get i think this is a vos supporter trying to get his band

be honest

slate maybe time to call night we ill have

we still have some time

it might be sage it might be sage

say's a lot of different accounts

he's a loser now

yeah it do seem a little bit

tw

goill follow

ah he followed

he said hitler was right

shame on dude

yeah do

did not

that's not how you begin

if you want to engage a do you're going to have

prove you're a serious guy you don't sound serious

oh man

here's the thing about anti semit

the biggest type of psychosis

i don't see the biggest type

because

they're so naive

about what's beyond

like anglo society

or european society maybe

that

just because jews

represent that otherness

they think the jews are responsible for the fact

that's why anti sites can't account

for china

there's who are the jews ruling china to

you know

are the jews ruling iran and turkey

and all these multi multi polar powers

they don't do were the jews behind ganing is conh

dude there's a world outside of europe and you blt you hated the jews

because they remind you of that fact it's such a

call

thk

dude

jews are not to white i'm not white either

in the fat

you know that

like what are you trying to prove dude

we had a mexican guy on stream we got an arab guy on stream

s

like what are you trying to prove man

de be helend

and

they helped form the communist chinese government

so did the lebanese guy

there was a lebanese guy who helped to a lot of foreigners help

a lebanese got look at up guys he moved to america and he went to china he was one hundred percent lebanese

kind of base

but he in the culture revolution he fell out of it was his name may haiti

my haiti something like that

there are the i know there's jews in china but like

nothing go't say anything about china because

anti semitism is a cope

you know it's a cope

debate neo nazism tonight i would do it i would but

i feel like this guy is going to come on scream the n word and get us banned

that's the issue

i like how he's actually taking this guy serious

i don't know i can't

can't say seems glowy

seems a low

i'm not scared to debate

fool about all

dow

i'm not

i'm really not

i

but

the do these these are bannable on these plats

i'm not crying about that

that's just the reality

i won't see the n word i promiseed

ok can someone who knows about this shit tell me if it's bannable or not

so like

di discuss anything with this guy because

feel like i'll get banned

just for having him on like even though i'm not saying it

they'll be like he's platforming

you know

i'm chinese jews in china are re

i know dude because

the cope anti semitism such as silly cope

vil bos of us in his base

i don't know why there's a juda a bos ofvism mean

because

weren't the mention ik mostly jews

are wasn't most of the jewish marxis mensevik

how can you be anti semitic and you want to talk to infrared dude

you know i'm are of right so i'm like

apparently i'm like the bad of the bad

iight

his

right

come

a lot worse

with the whole semitic thing

i'm actually you know

yeah

i wouldn't take the chance

yeah dude

i do't think i'm

well you scared to debate me because you know i will win

don't debate this guy you will get banned trust

i'm going to go with my wiser in

not

debate

know

why so i can get banned

not going to have

get a political correct guy

who knows how to like not get banned

and send him my way i'll debate nick finters i'll debate

a

who are your guys as figureheads all those type of i'll debate them

you know

i'm not getting banned i'm sorry i'm not

send me your fegu your leaders in your figureheads and i'll debate them

simple

you know i can discuss anything with anyone

want to talk about the hall of a door and the fact that you have kicked

they have been kicked

that you have been kicked out of one hundred nine countries

he thinks i'm a jew

this is the paranoia of the anti semite

you know this is the

this is the pathology

yeah

is the pathology

total like paranoia

he thinks i'm a jew

debate him offstream

oh you know what we might do that we might just debate you offstream and then

then we can upload it

hey go hey dude we can and we can maybe schedule a debate offstream

i you want to do that

guys quarantine him in our discords we didn't spam it up

yeah dude add one add someone on our discord

and we'll schedule a debate offstream

we'll have a discussion with

and will edit it

according to you know

okay let me

let me give you my discord

i whispered

what the folc on thel

for

discored

i'm going to give you my account on discord

and i'm going to let you message me

but i have to do that

what do i

red

that i copy my acount

i'm going to message you dude

you can add me on discord and then we'll

schedule something offtream sometime

i don't know if i'll have time this week but we'll

eventually do it

and

i have to go onto a child on

and then i'll that because it's too risky online

because it's too risk

right

add that on discord and will

weill do it

schedule

they come in your house and then they leave you

and they leave

who

make a gougug sixion

board

might

we might actually do that you do might make a rule ot

sli

yeah i know dude you see the fucking point

yesterday i'm a fascist

yesterday i'm a nazi

and now i'm a fulking jew

there's no way to sub or donate or

page

du to kills me when you say that man

our supporters are so

you guys are willing to

fuck and donate to us at this stage

not yet and i think we want to wait till we get two hundred

two hundred fifty average

then we're going to start

having a financial

and accept donate

and transition to full time

we're not full

so this to this week it's not going to be every day guys

i'm going to try tomorrow

it's not going to happen tuesday though

probably not going to happen wednesday might happen thursday so

through the week we're going to skip

day

you know we're going to be skipping

hoe looks calm now but why was he screaming before

because

because i

my patience

bean

oh my god you guys want the discord ok fine

want to give you

sorry

and i wasn't seen

on

right

ok does i think ginj

i've never seen this ratio

what rate

eight hundred subscribers and eleven ten viewers

are we at eight hundred now only folk dude we're at eight hundred now

no way we're at eight hundred

where eight hundred know

we're at eight hundred now

wow

i don't understand about this new guy called has who is the wisely debating online

not do

be me

february for inf it has been insane

it's only going to get more

you haven't seen any

as you haven't seen any

haven't seen

haven't seen

we depated boch yes

is not crazy

what do you think of israel is it colonialist in your in your view

more or less it is

more or less yes

i think

oh

debt it

has

other betam

other wait and why not

sure'll debate

i will to be

you want

can you explain it again

the autism box in angwood mental

ohboy

how could i explain this in a

i think

it's trying to premise reality

by four

you just feel like you've discovered a form

that premises all of reality it's

you don't see form as something that arises out of reality

o arises out of the

content

you crucify the content

in the name of for

you put the anglo box means

that

form is set against con

so themi the forms give that give expression to material reality

are set ap

against the material

content out of which it arises

that's the most simple way i

do your so bani talk about israel my gods a bann will to

the don't know weere infrared came from

yeah dude

they don't know where infrared came

you got a push back on apex

makes a good god black red guard i can discuss with black red guard a lay he probably hates me probably thinks some revisionist traitor

in a china shill and ont

do it

heeathwoods

but also be

yes

fash

day

i'll debate them as long as they aren't

going to get me bann

i'll debate anyway

sir ok

why would nick synica

say you talking about why would he come

i would he come

no

well

get risen the gars the honey on

pete wolf and dale

dude

those are the last people who are going to come on our sows

ok

theyb maybe reservoir

don't don't bother

do't bring

he's a

debate baked alaska

i don't know w that is but if he's not banned

they

bait hunter biden

we

or

youre

he advocated

the glass

he really did that that surprising

boss did the head

super surprising to me

surprises of the shit out

gator blade

want to talk about pan arabism

oh sure

coming to show you

wad what is barnets want to do

my few quicps questions of g ten minute talk

right here you

what's a man

you're on barnet

oh uh

you can hear me

yeah i can hear you

ok yeah this is actually daniel s you may remember me from thevember i was a kind the earlier fan of the show

oh what's up man

s

yeah

yeah um no i

i just want to say think you're doing great so far voice over was hilarious in the beginning and

camera work is better

f

as

everything all around i think is going great the just

i'd like some things i wanted to discuss initially what drew me to the show actually was not the aesthatics it was first seen the cultural revolution video

oh

just seeing that reading group and hearing that

oh

really drew me i was like

excited to see

something in the

modern english language media that matched what i've been reading matched my understanding of what i've been observing what i've been reading

but uh

ya i just had some

comments on your

uh i guess

debating or engagement tactice which to me seem really unorthodox just from what i've seen in the past

that

yeah um

i like earlier on the show you were discussing how it speaks for itself when these people

le's come from lefty pole j a sort of drop

something wron

um

for example yesterday when during the stream the australian if youw were just straight up so they don't care about marx or hagl and they refer to the oxford languages dictionary

a lot of times i feel like

when you interrupt i understand that it's medias discussion

it's to correct something that the person said that is

a complete misinterpret

of your position but i i'd appreciate it if you sometimes gave them this like space to talk or let them u

and to open this window pull back the drakes because a lot of times it's

is really revealing of where they're coming from

and it doesn't require as much arguments on your parts does that make sense

no you're right

that's what i kind of did with the

aran

but

that guy

yam

wasn't

he wasn't

having he wanted to cae like

you have to understand that guy was super aggressive and

super agress

gotcha

he was really

so

all respect is thrown out the window

yeah and i just sink that's like my main issue watching your show and the reason that's an issue is because i do want to recommend this to my friends

i do want to show these videos

the thing is um i guess i should share my context i hang out with mostly engineers um

university graduates recent it's a high rank university

um they are receptive to a lot of these ideas a lot of them have recently changed their minds about um

the reality situation in china they've talked to international students from there

i just don't feel like you can recommend um something that has this kind of um

i know it's completely superficial i know that it doesn't matter what you're saying but it's just um

really hard to you know conceive that i do want to help i do want to make the channel grow but there are only like a few go years i feel like i could share within these circles

because iy do have sort of like a

built up reputation or credibilitys group chet so i could totally drop the on culture revolution

i could totally drop your interview is jank you but basically nothing outside of those does that make sense to

it's a tril

you know here's the thing is that before we went down this

route of live streaming

and just

stop ving the fuck

basically the mentality

i

we would have a lot of

articulate people

respectable people very much for

would we just weren't getting the

you feel like there should be an initial growth phase where you have

but the sort of adversarial back and forth throug you kind of you know rock the boats challenge the

standing views on youtube that repleally makes sense and another thing is that people don't

really respect

you until you prove yourself

some kind of

let me give you an example

you know why bread to so big

caus

o

they're trying to use the authority

and its authority with a capital a

they're using the force and the authority of their so called definition

and those definitions are

baptized

in institutions

all goes back to violence power

for authority

you know

this is where this is a trace

that that sort of makes sense

but i just was like

i i didn't really i wasn't really aware of bread tube until i started listening to your stream but to me it seems like these are just um

like bourgeois americans who w

are trying to just quop an existing left and this is what makes the most comfortable that's what it seems like to me is inaccurate or not the whole picture

you're right but the

it's just that

they have

i have seen how they've polluted

the barrier to entry

someone who's a right is

normal

comea left

they're defining that barrier of en

no

and that's really what i'm concerned

okay ya um that makes sense

but is this a good thing to ask like a few finer questions about previous videos

a we're a little bit short on time but go ahead

okay

um yes um

you mentioned in one stream that you prefer to use polidy instead of state i

and i recently finished thk in revolution i was just wondering why you prefer youre of polity or what's important about that distinction

i think the state

is

its connotations appear to be very unique

to dern

m this s this

connotation of

state

frozen in

order that has somehow frozen

flux in the flow of being

um

it has a connotation

another issues that

estate

is a premised form

it defined

status for

by definition

some

and

to me a state

is too definite

whereas a policy is a little bit more ambigu

policy can just refer to any type of

cent political dominion civilization

central

our dominion

i prefer policy for those

reasons

on the

patient

and

and also the thing about modernity and

this issue of states as arresting

i

is in

you know there's a

arab philosophy

know it sounds nice

whatever

you had this aristill play aristatallian

view of the state

of what me call the state

dt dnasties as six

six

the

the view is that

a state is an organism just like a living being

person

and they have a

birth

and middle and an end

that's

there was never a notion

he didn't have an notion of just the state

something that was

thrownto the

the

flux of living being

so

that's kind of where that

h that makes sense i've read a lot of

d about cultures having more like a cyclical sense of

a growth of um

different elements of history as opposed to just like a linear view where there's a

onstant myth of progress

going through

think uh

my other comments and group i already told you my main one is that you know this contence is hard to share within the tense of circle simon

o other than is just some recommendations i had and i see these in your chats have you reached out to like richard medhurst carl job b area four one five

oh no no we're we're still very much lagging behind

and getting accustomed to the scene

and i think

collaboration

years

on the way

taking a little

ow

it's in the

going to do

and the reason i mentioned big area four one five carl jon richard medhurst is

first i don't know them personally of course it's just completely per social in my qrestions from watching them but they seem like

i'd be very open to talking with you

and additionally i don't think they would have that mentality that they're

eating like a smaller channel or that you're like taking advantage of them to grow yours they generalely appreciate exchange and i think they're a

audiences also really appreciate hearing your views just from my interactions of them

all right

fair enough

keep the just the recommendation

yeah yes thank

okay

good talk thingks

yeah oh

maybe check in some time again later

love seeing your channel

yeah yeah yeah

be nice to

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two

case so it seems like gator blade is nex

hello gator blade you have some interesting topics

good way p

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second

sorry you hear me

yeah i can hear you

hello

like near me

your mike's a little bit low

uh ya twenty nine

if you could turn up your mike a little bit that would probably be

better

uh whats happened

maan fasan h hi you hear me

sorry

can you hear me comes in y

yeah i can hear you

ok so i so you gy just hit on eight hundreds of fribers

pretty good oh yeah thank you so much mam

i think i think i was here at three hundred

wow

wow so you're an old o

ya kind of

ah i memiss

i missed the zanderhall and a wash debate which suck

but but but i was here for the terran debate like that ba shit crazy one that one was really good

um

so yeah so i it want to talk like

stuff about

pan africanism pan arbism

stuff like that you know on the topic of pan

is

wish heaven

here he's off

and africansm because

i'm i'm moroccan

oh yeah

yeah i'm berber

you're lebanese i'm pretty cererin you say lebanese

i thought you were a palestinian because i knew a palestinian guy from brooklyn looked just like you

pretty much the same thing lebanese palest yeah

ya um

so on the topic of like

d aarbism and stuff

what what is your opinion on it

you know

inside in my soul i'm very

in my solm

i'll give you a non

cold view

you know like a very

that's fine

no

that's fine um

there is always in my life been some type of

dignity of a source

even naser and all

it's like

there's it's a good type of feeling you can't help

idea

pride in being re

specifically

and but arabism and arabism

historic

is it

ultimately it's con

it

rely

was the emulation of

the european nation

with the strong man military leaders

it was this type of modernization

twenty cent

i wish there was more time

foror hey to talk about similarityes

the

their own is o

mexican tradition

deal

yeah

wh it when it comes

so i think in many regards it's simply outdated

in our post modern

yeah

it's clear that this

pan arabism

enters into contradiction

something fundamental

even within the

arab countries which is that

there are two

first of all they're too ethnically ambiguous

second of all yes that but i that's my problem with it too

second of all there's a

there is something about

modern state

does not satisfy

the civilizational

reality

the peoples of the middle east

does

for example the attomnan m

we

you are true definitely a foreigner

you want to know why

because the ottomans never got you

yeah they did it they didn't

so

everyone who' is a former ottoman colony

there's so much in common clled

so so much

so so much

but you moroccans

you preserve the pre ottoman

legacy

you know you were the ones who escaped

yeah

yes the

policies like

ottomnan

empire

civilization

with all of the

ethnic and social formations of the middle east

evolved alongside the supra

if

supranational

and supra

nation state

a civilization

and

there was never

you know

i

and

a european style

nation state

i think is incompatible

similarly it's goen compatible with a civilization like china what

china can't have ahn

the

it's inpatible with the chinese civilization

the same is true

russian

same is true

you're right

and

and also for truch

i

so i'm very conflicted on the one hand

i can't shake off

this dignity

comes with

his feeling

er

at least you

invoking

my

the suez crisis

with you know

things like that

but on the other hand

i recognize

han theer a business

here's

extremely

and there's

so many

i guess what i would say is that

i like dugin's idea of the

i'm not a jubenant

i wouldn't be scared

but i like his idea of big

and i think the middle eastern big space

can only be given expression beyond the european

nt

well i

and otherwise you will have the strong man

leaders

who enter into contradiction

to

yeah

i understand that

the with pan arbism

specifically

well no not not even specifically with most like pen

ethnic thought

like pan pen african

and asian

there's just too many conflicting ethnic groups and someth like that which is really hard to get them to unite

um

tough likelay

there are different tribes in africa like the zulus

and and the totsies and they had they had um

battles and stuff

but

i'm more interested in pan africanism

specifically what

goadaf he was trying to achieve if you cadn't tell by my profile picture on discord

yeah

so i

i think

gaddafi

had a

had a chance somewhat

of achieving

something like like pan africanism

he was trying to

um what's it called

the there was like there was going to be like an

a a uniform like passport and maybe like a currency in africa and stuff like that

and i think wouldve been

it're doing pretty good

but with stuff like pan arabism it's kind of outdated which i agree with you on that

i think i

to play the devil's advocate for pan aer his

i don't necessarily think it's

in

patible

entirely

what i find significant about

that

miss

despite all the differences

it's precisely the differences

within the africa

th

think units

yes

deep

that's pretty much what all

big spaces are they're all

they're not united by everyone being similar and so

eithy'er united by

the differences being so

specific

particular

type of

uncanny dialect

i

strange dilect

like i

africans are so different from one another

that this unites

people in europe

are maybe not as different from one another as people in

yeah so pan african gives expression to this fact that

european modernity

and the old paradigms cannot give expression to the inner civilizational

national

longings of the african

p

some new

a point of reference

which is called

africa

handa

is the means by which the african peoples may relate

to their

unique

differences

yeah

if there's still any time i'd like to ask

on the topic of uh pan africanism

your h

thoughts on goddup if there's time

a good dafi is such a

strange case

im aware of the current

the move to the dinner

and many

pointed out that this is the reason he was killed

yeah

new current

i think his currency proposal was very interest

dowmn

does seem to me strangely

s

he was killed

having

ose

it would

i

oh

his his ideas are interesting

sino

his green book

libya's kind of a small country

what's the population of libya

its

um lit meon

oh yeah you know it

in the country's big with the population is only seven million

yeah yeah you know

it's a small country

nw

so i think the daffis

consequences are outside of the

not just

him

outside of

b be

seems he's

he was unsuccessful

realizing his big goals

big of vision

yeah

so maybe this must be analyzed why was he on

except

worse

short

prevent

well on uh on the outside of libya she wasn't that successful

but when it comes down to libya itself you had some pretty good successes with the country oh yeah it was it was extremely prod it was extremely prosperous and

i think

gadafi

would have been

well what's the word

i i think gaddafi could've

if he was still alive he could have opened up the eyes of many more um

people in north africa maybe the arab world maybe the rest of africa

because coming from like a moroccan like

um

what are they

the some morocco still monarchy somehow

but

i have no clue how ho

right now the king is like some zionist blockish

h in the king before that and it

sign

he was

he was just crazy he didn't really do anything from morocco like the whole niness he didn't really do much

sw killed this prominent

moroccian leftist name as madiban barka

he was assassinated by the french

but yeah i think of gooda you were still alive if you would have opened up the eyes of many people in the continent and maybe

baby the rest of the world i wish

yeah

but

maay

still think we do we should reflect

thk

limits

should always

yeah yeah

he had some faults he had he had some faults

but the thing with this thing with arab leaders and stuf

is that they are

usually not the best people

which is really sad it's

no matter all of the terrible shit that gaddafi has done like deporting

ethnic groups from libya

he was still compared to every other arab leader heho was probably the best in my stateraft

so

yeah you'll be here of a new

yeah

was the debate with socialism done left

today unfortunately he didn't get back to me in the dms

sleep

in the

we'll see

yeah it's definitely postponed

if it

it will have to wait forhim

don't bother him though you know

don't you know don't go bothering him

gang

let him you know let him respond on his

i think i do want to kind of prepare for that

no

because i want to have

complex pl

need some butt left

i used to watch him isn't he kind of like a liberm

yeah i think his tagline is evidence based

yea ya

i used to watch him for the means the means are pretty good other than that

kind of like a proto bch

we don't have to like brigade him or

yeah yeah i know

no one that

yeah

you guys have been blowing up the bosh thing like i saw the boss dream it had like

it was like a two to one ratio of likekes the dislike

but we got a lot of exposure

got a lot of exposure

i i think i'm going to le ginj ton for a second and then we're probably going to

ok then

um well it's like you're in you're in uh michigan right

ya mss

you know it's like it's one am yeah it's defly good

go yeah it's like one thirty in brooklyn

but i'm going to let ginji

yeah

yeah

thank you so much

i have i'm a good one man i a good one

ginz

hello

yeah

indeed

hello

yeah hear what's up

ah

were you f

one

no no no no okay uh i have uh two uh quick topics

because i know that it's got to be at minutes man we' got to we got

okay just the first shadow to the

people in the chess session let me see those goodyla means let me see those sunshining means so the sunshines in the west let me see those big power big people oer means

all right

anyway

so towo two quick topics you know when basically the molling the meat and potatoes of this discussion

today

h wast be that the seventy years old the s uh some them kire

yeah

yeah yeah i think i think it was birthy because i think he learned his lesson

you know jesus has this uh bushet about how the

a sheep heerder goes out his way to find that one last sheep

i think this might be

that such a case you know

the sheep herder does what

the sheep herder

sorry uh the sheeperre there

loose one of his sheeps w he has like a thousand other sheeps but still

goes on to find his last sheep

ah okay i see

this is a you know christian parable yeah you know you all you know the point so maybe we you know you can se case let'sll let'sll a greation

hear me first yeses yes i comp it would be i i just came home what i ust got up to cincinnati you know i es guys sorry i'm talking to ginj right now in the discord he's

talking

oh

you can you can come and join us

we're going to be don't ending this like ten minutes

unfortunate

sleep but come ino discord general and just mutual discoord

yeah so somebody is echoing right now

in oaner case you as you me

yeah yeah i can hear you maybe wrongs i e them in the zoo beuse they're talking

oh

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in some

just join the general in the zoom

i mean in the discurse

join the general in the descort

youy know with me and ginjt and that mutual zoom

oh i got you i got you i got you and you see seame thing were

all right the zoom the general the general general

teenty there i was hearing start this story moumy

you're just go in to the general

yea

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no you're not in the general

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fy in the wrong one

there we go there we go

okay okay here okay i'm going to me is new usm to

yeah

oh okay may i go on

you know

ok ok y

i can ge continue im

ah alright

for that

and another quick point is that you know you say oftentimes that you're one hundred percent stalinist

but here's the here's the

metric

by which i know you're actually a styionist has

you just sad like i don't know ll

like you said like anther abo

sorry you didn't

you know me

two

you

yeah i can hear you man

be here you do it

rasins you smoke a little bit

the fog

happened

i don't know ok i can continue

so the way i know you know as a fellow stalinist

that you are a stydingist is that you said like another hour ago that you spent the last week

you know waking up doing infraite cheat and then going to sleep

and you know stalin was known for this

especially under world war two

uh

people recall in the soviet russia that they saw that the office building i don't know how you call this in thises

could great the i si would grayson have you smoked a little bit

hello

grayson

dude what

going on

so confused

oh the it

so if i may finish this point

yeah

so that uh especially during uh world war two but uh starting from nineteen thirty six i think uh soviet people

said that look at the cremel building

uh staring's office is still late

so he's working and this idiot as whole stallion was basically working like a

a fourteen fifteen sixteen hours a day

and here's the thing this is this is this has been proven as a fact that it's not just you know a hearsay

like historians look at the open

the russian air air archives

and they see stalins signatures on different proposals and so on and they see that this asphole

woke up at six am and there until i don't know you know two am or something so he was a bad ass mother fucker like you are has

i appreciate it man thank

ok so let me get to my you know let's

the exchange ideas let's talk about some the got s that we have to end i know i gve t ten minutes from now ok

i'm out

i'm out i'm leaving i can't hear

can't hear us

i love poor haken here

hold on i can talk to youbo this mo

grace and grace and grace

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so two points it wll take maximum ten minutes first point can the yety bro what the fockus is

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hear me all right

about that you guys i just came back from downtown

i came back w i saw you smoke a littleit live

what you smoked a little bit

we're we're alive i know you did i cold i didn't i didn't i've been drinking i've been drinking o something

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can't trow on the thing

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okay glisa may i finish this point englishinsh finished

thank you

so

as i said the

i'm heitting equal i'm hearting equal from someboy

so sorry

jesus five guys grace s and you dirty dirty boy

i got to go smoke i got to w this

yeah

so as i said the uh brother mother of this stream was from that the seventeen years old the social democratic kid

and uh one point he said that you know

uh ex uh how bi them uh acepts h transpeople

from poor background into the army

is quote unquote progressive

and i think has you rephraseed it i mean interpreted it in anrather lucid way because how you phrase it basically boild down to

he had a sloked m to

all right

so i mean that was in the air and you call it out good for you

but here's my counter proroposal

i've been reading some usa marchitinese literature

and they are arguing for reintroduction of universal conscription

in america

are you familiar with this

marxist leninists are doing this or jamesono is doing this

marx sstanly start doing this i wish mar s

the fact i've got this from left the poll by guys calling them machitionit and saying that they were americans like one prominent person

was out of so called ld to be your board owner

but let me let me say their arguments

and then we can discuss if it's a a good idea or not a good idea okay

okay sure

really quick

ok so the marchons american point of view on the positive aspects of re intut in that reintroduction of the universal conscription

is that it puts the core generation

through this trains they can get veterons training which i think is other good

if we look at the fact that the proletariat outweighs the rest

the rest of the classes for of of course ya

but more importantly

a universal conscription in the usa re politicizes

the army i know i've heard this orgument makes and the inbys question in the usa so and last point if you look at the vietnam you know the vietnam protests

in uh i don't know it was the sixties

you can see that basically most of them are but her university students who started this

because they knew that it applied to them as well

ok so what's your take on it

i used to have this view myself but i think it's wrong

it's almost similar to that earlier discussion i had with that seventeen year old guy

i

we're just when we can assume we can implement the universal army

if we had that power we're assuming a subjective position of enunciation

that

assumes the effect

we

it s assumes the conclusion in the premise on

an actual practical reality

my view is that we're not going to bring back the universal

description

of the twentieth century which is a which

which the real point of this is that

america and other countries in the west

they're not unified as a politic

because everyone knows from hagel

that universal conscription is what unites the people as a politicy

in general just in general like

to be able to say out in the open we should do this

what premises our ability to say we should is the fact that

in the last sense where we are all conscripted and have a duty to die for

our country

we don't have a common space where we

we can simply go out into the od that's why i'm not an activist i don't tell people we must do this

because this we doesn't really exist anymore

but

to me the risk the way one can

think about how to

how to respond

to this issue

is that now we are living in an age of nomadic

privatized

universal armies

oh

which are what out in the wild in riat we cannot

we cannot

demand the state

institute

description

the army must be reborn

from the soil of the pep

i think if i can maybe add on to that and i think this is hoss view as well but

the whole idea of conscription i think this is a departure from jamieson but it does it does build from his universal army book is derived from it but

the reason why we talked about the e f f at least partly

was that it is a kind of form of a new army in the digital age you know in the twenty first century but it's not it's not an army that exists in the

in the sphere of this state it's something that almost exists

it it's conscription in regards to a common object

to a common object and the coherence is around a kind of a

a brand

maybe

you know

and youn kind of tell based on just even e f f literally brands or stuff

that you buy e f f shoot you know it's almost like you're conscripted

us by an observation of this common objects common orientation

i think is how i would say imin orient

sll i me you know it's all all these armies really mean

is the conclusion i've arrived at

it's all in for

all in full war

oll

on this level of

this new

tension economy and the new data

okay but i think that uh uh grey son

is basically confusing two terms here

it's not about the new object it's about a process it's a subject versus

a process of subjectification

ands you're not y object the new object is what

gives ground to a new

subject what you're calling subjective occation

only by

it's only through some kind of

give it's a new it's a new dialectic estalising the subject a new a new subject if you want establish in the relation to the common object

andvicevers it's entirely new entirely new relation i don't i don't think that it's a subjectivest

claim or confusion if that's what you're

it's in yemen

uh oh okay let's put that a that aside

because it was about terminology fact terminology but still has you said that the

lad the you know these i mean no i mean i think you're wrong thath the current american army

is universal it's absolutely not

i think that this seventy seventy year old sustam kid was right about the fact

that it is some kind of privilege

today to become a soldier because if you're from a poor background let's say you know so there's no universal army i know i know there's no universal army

i didn't say there was

i mean precisely there isn't a universal

i think if we go back like i don't know fifty seconds you say the exit opposite but i'm not going to know w my whole point is that there isn't a uni there no no there are

it's been decentralized away from a central state

that interprelates us

as participants of a common poliicy

oka so let me attack your position from this angle

remember our latest debate a comradly debate by the way because there's such a thing our latest comradly debate about you know i said that i do not see how

this so called lenin's view about you know labor aristocracy

is in actual mechanisms

working in the west

but i think that this mercenary tmy set up that the uus has

is basically establishing a small scale

a labor and soccoate

because they get you know university access they get the health care and so on

and not to mention the so called you know

but it's an issue of appearance in essence

ok let's let's go to pragmatics

what if trump runs again in twenty twenty four

and on his platform has

re establishing

universal conscription

as a communist and of course i'm not an american so you know i weill still have to rely on your point uh points uh comans but as a hungarian uh communist i would have to say that okay i think that has uh

valid the political

gn jeep gn jee

we

we were precisely what

made us start questioning we we were on this boat we one hundred percent were up this alley right

but it's when macron

started suggesting it

made us bad a second i

wait to say

know what it is even if on some fundamental level

i think basically this idea of the universal army conscription as a way to

it's a

it's an attempt to patch up an irreversible

an irreversible opening in this state

don't don't forget

it's alre a pit in me of a type of madness of liberal democratic statehood

that is trying to recapture

the attention the labor

and the the

the investment

of its population into

a form of statehood

that has outmoded

by the the superior form of statehood

that exists in china

which is the proletarian dictatorship the one party rule like china's the one party state is a completely different type of state

than the liberal democrats i think because that you basically misunderstand what makrom was proposing thes a thing i actually oppose but on ising but if any fuffing politician in the usa there proposing universal pscription i want actually be behind the person

but what what differentiates ks proposal from the letter is the thing

mchael l universal conscription chael actually wants to implement the kind of usa sice mercenary army that applies to all of youop so for me and my gron wanted universeal de scription

on the basis of which he not only said is universal conscription in france

but he also said

he wanted it to serve the purpose of of

common environmental at haim so it's like explicitly socialistic idea

and even then i feel i see it as a vantagy

i'm sorry but the maros proposal what makes this unique is that he wants europ youion you haven't using two things you're confusing i think you are youre confricing no no macron has a european army proposal

but he also has a french universal army proposal that i think was around twenty eighteen something like that

yes but you should accept the fact that the european union is like i don't know how many different countries

but the usa is a one country

even with its internet contradictions

so this is the thing as a european you a member uh civilian

i oppose macron's proposal because if we had a revolution in hungary then facki macron wi use his facky european army

to invade us

as opposed to the usa case

there in let's be honest about the the main imperus power right now is the usa so if the usa adopted universe a conscription it would n politicize

the tomy issue it would p it the size the in the st first of all the best thing you could say then is that if this happened i would be had

but it's not a practical point at all and second

i don't think it will happen there's no interest among the ruling classes

to make

and if we have the power to make something like that happen we have the power to do a lot of

we all it you need a universal army this was the paradox we discovered

you need a universal army like the e f

to realize this demand in the first place so the army must be reborn from the soil of the people

you cannot just sit from the sidelines and shout yeah i want it trump yeah you doing it like it's completely vin pointless position

i'm sorry i don't get to mobilize the necessary masses of people

to be able to realize such a fundamental transformation that relates

how subjects relate to the policy

that movement has to be an army

moves a musqi armies today

as a marxist lionist has

you do accept that the main

empire today is the usa

even though it's comrumbling and it's lackey currently is the e u

alright i mean it's common sense point

so there's a difference between inter eu

the eu o means besides what i just said di you see what i just said it has nothing to do with

okay i i may have missed that point please uh

my point is

you need an army

to realize

the universal conscription in the first place you have to do it

from the ground

you can't just ask the state

or ask the ruling class to do it or hope they're going to do it they're not going to do it

so that's the paradox

okay let me give you my cell phone you this uh

eu pedipheriah perspective you know so hungary is the pedipheria of the eu

i would one hundred percent to support if any kind of party be but even th here's my issue who cares less your army

there's ne supported

so please so if in hungary any kind of party said that they want to reestablish

universal conscription in hungary i wouldill often support it

dude i know but who cares if you would support it what does that mean practically do you have an army do you are you the head of a movement

who are you youre just an individual

yeah you know it's like you know i'm not going to dox myself in the slf that the in the sense of thaying that's what kind of connections or groups i have

but i would push my groups uh to say that uh it should be supported

and you think that would be enough to really in practical terms make a difference and tilted

in the favor of

en absolutely no absolutely not but it would enlighten people to its to

actual not israel oh that show

who said grey s who the folk brought up isas that i found i mean yeah yeahyeah

yeah yeah but i'm i'm just saying that it's the it's the same

i i don't think that vouching for universal army in an abstract position that saying this is a good thing if if uh

if worbau were to introduce in hungary

that this is something that in itself would be something to be supported you are just an individual

as a as an organization

it's a different issue but as an individual

and i'm not really sure in regards to what's in regards to what

this a universal army the idea is the epitome of utopianism it's an idea where we say abstractly i support i don't support

it doesn't matter what you support abstractly

you have to

i have an objective sense

what is my concrete relation not only to

politics

but to the extent of my ability

to rel to enough people politically andterpolate enough political subjects

to

create a movement in the first place

you know how do you create the movement that realizes the aim that's the paradox of materialism that materialism addresses and why it's a rejection of utopiasm

h

ok

i uh i don't think it's ethopian but uh you know we have like i said we had ten minutes we're luck in six minutes now

i think if you really re watch the comment section you will find people who say that i'm right you will find people who say you're right

let's move on to the second quest uh let's uh second topic if uh

no you can't have a second topic in seed i already told you that has to be ten minutes man i got to go to sleep y

so second and last topic is this

do you know jeet i have to go to bed dude i don't know why you're doing this

i sad second topic

four minutes it will be over and we can

go to bed

i have to eat dinner and go to bed man

and i'm not going to be able to go to bed because i got to eat dinner and i need two hours

be do with

as for fox sixes you gave one hour to that so them seventeen years old guy

because you know what he was asking me to he was seventeen why did i even bring him on

that's your that's your that's your internal discussion

mag you what time is it in hungary

it's actually seven am i wm watching the austraan

uh sorry i've been s watching your stream from one a m so you know i

and the i don't

so ok anyway anyway

a regarding you said in that stream you know

you should respect your adders

i know what you mean u but i fear that some of yourh viewers don't know it and i hope that i mean i know we receive like a

one hundred subscribers from bh stream so i would like to give

a different uh interpretation of what you said if it's okay with you and we can stop this bullshp

ok i thank really quick

leanything anything

uh sos the thing uh

why should aders be respected

i think that some of your viewers uh might have thought that this is about uh haus being some kind of authoritarian

who proposes some kind of adder wordship

i don't think it's like that

uh you know but i was a seventeen year uh sorry uh

sixteen year old kids

but i first that you with is university students i thought that they were you know abouve the learning letter

and i felt that they were in lighted intellectuals but then i uh

met some guys from university

where found even as a seventy year old that the fucking idiots

so i think that if you think about the generational

that doesn't give you the right

tase

talk shit to them and when they're giving you a platform

and i would introduce categories here

and categories which would mean that in what sense you are allowed to cheot on them and what since you're not allowed to choot on them first of all

uh this infrat channel has been giving out

absolutely beautiful content for the people

if i if i were a seventy year old tle sods them sock them

and the

to engage with you i would be humbled

but this guy wasn't

so you know that's one thing

but another thing

and what about this so called professor

who from a high school went on to university had his ph d and now teach is whatever bushit topic

and never in his life engaged

with working people never in his life

uh

had a productive work

for an hour

i think if that letter guy is an idiot well fuck him

as a seventy years old kid if you can detect

that this fucking buusshit philosophy or whatever professor is a bushit guy

you should not respect him

but another category

he's about working people

maybe a's a seventey years old girl like that subd them kid was

maybe you find that some working people are more idiotic than you are

ok but here's the thing these adults

who actually have verked a significant parts of their lives

they basically participated in socialized production

they basically made you and your society better off

even if they are more idiotic than you you should respect that

and finally my finding no ok but he was calling me stupid

and it's about humility ok i'm not saying everybody has to be smart

but everyone should be humble

h yeah i think i've introduced the category but you shouldn't be humble like as i said as a seventy years old kid if you can if that jlet' say you you are stupid

i mean you know

you yourself said that as a seventeen years old kid you someone who tends to be

an intellectual who's going to take me on in a debate

and call me stupid

i'm going to humble you

but if your mind you your own business as a worker

that it's i'm not going to shane call you stupid because you're minding your business and your

you're you're staying humble you know

you knows some big intellectual talking down on me

has that's what i ext no n and these categories gnje's just common sense

us that's what i said was what do you need to know i think you are getting too tired to actually listen to my points and it oh my god maybe i am

i told you ten minutes it's been thirty

ok and what did i start the shit i started with saying that you are a real stylist because you a work for this channel

so this is my last

fucking sb bod he's it and i'm jes if i don't get enough sleep there's going to be no stream tomorrow

because i'm going to be talking

knocked out all day and i'm not going to i'm going to not be able to stream i have no energy i need to sleep to serve the channel

ok it's a lot of work dude i need to sleep

to serve this channel

if i am too tired i cannot do anything to help in forrad

and trust w to do that you think i like being asleep

untol three p m in the afternoon

being absolutely powerless to check our youtube

to check our d m s into attends infrareds business it kills me dude i just want to wake up earlier

and i'll have to fucking wake up later dude

please respect my time i have to wake up later tonight i want to fix my schedule i wanted to end this at one

now i'm going to wake up at four p m or something you know

has

i totally respect your time but we want of the established that i've been meeting for this discussion from one am to seven am i tell me that you were you didn't tell me you were waiting for this

since one am

i would have had one first then

do it we did i mean i did see it but anyway my last point and it's forty seconds and then we can shut this bush it off all right

so my last point is that

uh and i wanth every you know underage p uh person

listen to this to understand this

there's a ten years difference between me and has i'm ten years older and has

yet

i forfeeit

this given so called given

ah

the right to be respected by has

for one single reason as a thirty one years old or thirty two years old soon to be

i've

i've learned from the senty something years old guy

has

and this is a thing

to i would like to channel to these guys who are seventeen sixteen years old

you' get to respect

from the adders

if you actually are intelligent

if you actually can teache them new stuff

and this is what was my it was my experience with the infinite

basically everybody here is a younger guy than i am and i've learned s from you

so therefore i forfeit my right to be respected as an mathter

that onlyed i am going to respect you as an adolt you can't do you can't forfeit it it's just my nature

you know that would

you you ten years older than me doude you you are wiser than me trust me you are

no i'm not if you don't know w you are trust me

you underestimate the power of bubbles like for when i was your age i was still in the fucking conservative christian bubble

anti comomunist conservative babble

so you don't know

all right i got a gom and i really got to go

of course and uh i know that uh this latest part was be uh you know we had some discrepancies because i i i can't detect that hous is uh

fucking sleepy and they start

it's not his fault it's just human biology i got to keepner i got shower

and i'm going to be in bed in maybe an hour two hours three hours

this whole time i've been trying to help out jorei hook up to the chat

it's ok this this whole thing is ending ok se you later can so always a pleasure

sa guys

wigns

ok guys

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i got i'm sing be here

bye bye everybody

i got a

by everybody

ill we go ino