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holy fucking shit as I'm literally

starting this

why the fuck did my original Hassan

tweet get deleted I didn't fucking

delete that tweet what the fuck guys can

you check because one of my mods was

telling me they can see it and the other

one's telling me it's fucking deleted

check on my Twitter is it fucking

deleted or not what the fuck cause on my

end

on Incognito it's fucking deleted my

original Hassan tweet where I call them

out and I tag him and train

ones if you can see it twos if you

cannot see it

what the fuck is that how did I I

literally just panicked right now

and did two-factor authentication and

shit and changed my password on Twitter

because I'm like what the fuck

I that had me so shook what the fuck so

there's some people can still see it

so some of you guys can still see it

can you see it voidburn

says tweet has been deleted

what the fuck was that how does that

happen

how does that even fucking happen that

is so fucking spooky what the fuck

by the way thanks so much for the 10

gifted Violet but what the fuck is that

here I was ready to start talking shit

about Hassan and give smack give him

some smack

talk some smack I mean

because of his dumbass debate with train

wrecks which was fucking stupid

well my tweet got deleted I got fucking

so shook that I just did

I I like confirmed my phone number I did

the two-factor authentication all that

shit

because I was like what the fuck is

someone hacking my account because I did

not do that shit

that is fucking crazy what a way to

fucking start off the day

I got some new track suits I got this

gray one the gray one is not the best

right but it is definitely one of the

track suits I also got a white one I'm

gonna wear that tomorrow for a special

occasion

um especially because what's going on

with Trump I don't know did Trump get

arrested

oh shit uh

uh Circa said he's down to come on and

react to his Zircon stream Where is

zirkat

what is he doing is he on kick

that's sick because I had Circle to

actually come on for this because he

always likes reacting to these kind of

things and it's late night and shit and

he's always

he's always awake where's is he on

Destiny's or something where is he at

or is he alive

no he's not

yeah we're gonna be reacting to this

together I don't know where he is

we're going to be reacting to this

together

I've had dozens of accounts that follow

me sending me that Instagram thing okay

there's another thing I have to talk

about because by the way guys like the

fucking stream are you stupid

are you fucking stupid like the fucking

stream another weird fucking thing

that's going on

by the way I got a monstrous shit I had

like horrible diarrhea that's unrelated

but it's a thing that's going on with me

but guys

because I had like half a p a half a

large pizza

the other day

um and yeah that's a fact that's a fact

but

what am I even talking about what was I

even gonna say

what the fuck was I gonna say

what was I even gonna say

oh the Twitter the fish okay so

something is plaguing the Twitter

gorilla Army and this is also one of the

spookiest weirdest fucking thing that's

things that's fucking going on I have no

fucking idea

what that shit is thank you so much

Alexander appreciate you but I I keep

seeing it and I finally saw it the other

a few days ago or something and so I

made an announcement okay so something

weird is going on

gorillas are getting

um dm'd

well-known prominent member we know it's

not like Bots because these are

prominent members of the community

and they're linking like Instagram links

and we think these are fishing links and

don't click on any fucking links like

it's such weird fed shit guys do not

fucking click any Instagram links you

get anywhere

this did not happen to me I don't know

if it's happened to any showrunners I

didn't get any fucking links anything

like that

but

that shit is fucking guys how is this

happening to your accounts

I think what's happening is that

this is this is what I think is

happening is that it's a chain reaction

okay some people click the link

and this could be a targeted attack on

our community

buy these uh well-known people who are

fucking you know these losers living in

New Jersey

but what what the what the it kind of

probably works as a virus where one

person made the mistake of clicking on

it and then after clicking on it their

account Got Hijacked and then they sent

it to others and it's like spreading

across the infrared Community thank you

so much Janna leftists are number twoing

on an open door

it's it's like actually a virus okay so

you guys need to be very careful

this virus is spreading around and do

not and Everyone by the way if you have

a Twitter account you need to enable

two-factor authentication if you can get

a phone number enable two-factor

authentication change your password and

be very careful because

and whatever device you're using on your

Twitter

uh you need to do a clean sweep you know

you need to get an anti-malware

all right Harold's gonna talk about how

this fucking happened he clicked the

link and somehow his account started

dming other accounts he had to change

his password yeah I clicked the link and

somehow my account started dming other

accounts I had to change my password to

get my account back

yeah you know what you need to do Harold

is you need to uh

you need to also get like an antivirus

or something and just clean your

computer up or whatever your phone up

right

uh you got lucky click the prison and

nothing happened no something did happen

dude

because it's not gonna instantly tell

you what's going on

but yeah

you guys got to clean your devices up

yeah restore the factory as an extreme

right

but if this is what happening on your

phones you know you got to do something

get that phone clean up I don't actually

know how to clean viruses on phones

on computers I think I know how I would

look it up you know I'm sure there's a

tutorial

and by the way guys if they can get your

Twitter

they have everything else from your

fucking phone too

all your accounts you got to change your

passwords

uh what a fucking disaster but this is

clearly a targeted attack on the

community

or it could be a random virus that's

just spreading I don't fucking know

right but you guys be careful with that

shit you know

um and I at first some guy got accused

of being a wrecker

when I saw but he wasn't he was just

fucking hacked because he probably

clicked on one of those links too so I

honestly it's a whole fucking disaster

right and it also happens on Discord as

well but it's a plague on Twitter

but I'm actually freaked out about

how the fuck did that tweet get deleted

that's what I'm worried about right now

and

yeah I I I don't know I did two-factor

Authentication

um

I am actually fucking shook

I am so fucking shook I don't know how

the fuck that happened that is fucking

weird right

because I don't think my account has

been dming anyone I'm looking at my DMs

I see nothing

yeah my account's not dming anyone

but I don't know how the fuck that tweet

got deleted that has me fucking shook to

the core honestly no idea what the fuck

that is right

uh no idea what the fuck that is guys by

the way this is a very late stream we're

doing I'm doing a late stream because

fuck it

why why is it a live stream by the way

there's a few things on our itinerary

before we get to the Hassan business I

spent two hours taking a um a horror

horrific shit that's just the truth

it was a battle

and when it was all said and done it

felt like the end of D-Day it felt like

oh my God you know

this must be like the aftermath of the

battle of D-Day or some Civil War battle

where they're still smelling the smoke

in the air and there's lead in the air

and it's a horrific site and there's

like there's bodies everywhere but it's

like you know we made it

we won the battle and we survived and

that's all you could be grateful for

and then I I it was so bad I I I mean I

wiped for 45 minutes and then I showered

I showered as well because of how

horrible it fucking was I look older I

look all older because I was I aged on

the fucking toilet okay so that's why

I'm late

that's why I'm late

uh as far as other things right as far

as other things thank you so much Aaron

appreciate you holy shit thank you man

first Super Chat man really look up and

respect you thank you for your

dedication and wisdom thank you so much

Aaron I appreciate you brother thank you

so much for that okay second order of

business I thought today I would be

covering the Trump arrest I've been

looking on the news and refreshing the

news

to be clear Trump did not get arrested

do I have that correct

and we are on New York time right

so Trump has not gone arrested yet

if I have that correct right

he has not gone arrested yet

which is pretty remarkable because he

was supposed to get arrested today

supposed to get arrested tonight and he

didn't

right

they're letting him turn himself in so

they're not going to do the whole

handcuff thing well I don't think

they've arrived at an indictment yet

even though they were supposed to

and part of me thinks they're gonna do

it in the middle of the night actually

because

you know the the potential unrest that

could follow upon immediately hearing

the news maybe they want a head start to

prevent anything

I have no idea if I'm going to be honest

with you guys I usually don't announce

whenever I'm going to be at the airport

because you know there's psychos out

there but I I

um

got back from a flight

today

and I was at the airport and nobody was

talking about it and I was coming from a

place that had a lot of these Maga

people

you know there was a lot of Maga people

just around and nobody was really

talking about it so I'm not sure what to

think

but uh I got back

where is zurco live at because I'm on

kik.com John zurk I don't see anything

Tick Tock is it Circa official or is it

just Circa

because John zurka is not live

John zurka is offline where is zirka

live on is he on heel mics

I don't know where he could be online

life

out of Jackson raid

nice

oh just in time just in time we're about

to start

we're about to start a react stream to

Hassan

pecker

Hassan pecker we're about to react to

that

thank you so much Jackson with the raid

I think I already got raided I was

wondering why my viewers just spiked to

a thousand people

I was wondering what's up everybody from

Jackson stream if you don't know we're

about to do we're about to cover

uh Hassan pecker The Young Turks nephew

Jank oyer's nephew had a recent debate

with a cool guy named train wrecks TV

who actually formed an alternative

mostly Free Speech platform

over on kik.com

and he's debating Hassan pecker right

because he's saying Hassan is basically

a fake socialist and he's not a real

socialist right and that's what we're

getting from that and it's you know

pretty much I mean what can we say it's

the truth right it's the truth even

though train wreck is not a socialist

train wrecks is

honest okay

train wrecks is honest

okay I see where Zirk is live now he's

on uh pandas

um okay I see where he's live

all right well when zerka's done

supposedly

I'm gonna text him when he's done he's

gonna come on and react with us

and that's zirka if you guys don't know

who zurka is he's uh

one of the Three Amigos alongside myself

and Jackson one of The Originals

and we're all all three of us are now

banned from twitch and that's something

we're United by

anyway guys

let's get right into this because it's a

pretty long debate

I want to preface this by saying

something really just weird and

mysterious just happened right just

right now all right guys by the way

Ramadan Mubarak to everyone I know that

just

is happening today's Wednesday right

kind of losing track of time so it's

Wednesday and it's happening

but um

all of you and then also happy late now

ruse if I'm pronouncing that correctly

something just weird just happened on

Twitter though where I made a tweet

about Hassan and train wrecks and it's

fucking deleted I don't know how the

fuck that happened no idea how the fuck

that happened I changed my password to

two two-factor Authentication

you know I was just terrifying and

fucking weird how that happened thank

you so much Violet Ramadan mubaraki I

can't stay long because I have to rise

before the sun and stuff my face

thank you so much violets didn't know

you were Muslim the scam word thank you

so much Theodore clicking authorize

giving their app for access to your

account Hassan's script is Sinister

not sure how that works but a tweet got

fucking deleted that I did not delete

and I also didn't

I also didn't

um

get a violation it didn't say it's not

like it was violating any rules or I got

a strike from it or something

from Twitter so I don't know how the

fuck that tweet got taken down but it

was an anti-hassan tweet that got taken

down by Twitter for no impromptu super

fucking weird

super fucking strange

right

maybe train wrecks oh after Ohio I don't

know I have no idea that's so fucking

sketchy and weird that is just so so

fucking bizarre honestly that is so

bizarre all right guys that without any

further Ado let's get into this

let's get into this so

so I want to preface this by saying

that Hassan is a fake socialist

and this is what Hassan does for a

living

is that he basically is on Twitch

and he has like 50 000 viewers and all

he does is flaunt his supposed moral and

political superiority to the world

not sure how he has that superiority how

he's earned it

but he thinks he has it at least

and he basically talks about how he's

this Superior socialist and everyone

else is wrong but him uh despite being a

socialist it's also curious he has a pet

name for you know working class Maga

type of people he calls them Hogs he

calls the working class of America Hogs

dehumanizing them is what he does making

fun of them mocking them and ridiculing

them as he sits in his uh three million

dollar mansion in West Hollywood

but uh dark you still see the tweet that

is so fucking bizarre and strange right

I it's deleted on my end it's deleted on

a bunch of other people's end right

so that's what Hassan does

and you know you gotta ask the question

you know he's he's getting all of this

clout off of these so-called socialist

credentials he's a millionaire

multi-million dollar brand

Ken Hassan make a difference in politics

or for political possibilities because

of course he fucking can't

I made a difference in Politics As far

as the cpusa was concerned with my

meager following of what 400 concurrent

live viewers and I fucking shook to the

cpusa to its core Hassan could easily

take over the cpusa if he wanted

he could direct it to field candidates

and I mean he could get the ball rolling

really fast thanks so much clothing

right Hassan could do a lot

with what he has a lot to to accomplish

political change in this country

and look we're not saying you're gonna

become president

but you could build a movement is what

I'm saying you could build an

alternative two-party system

not just with the money you have

but with your followers if you just

direct I mean guys put it this way Jimmy

door I think it's fair to say

did a lot to contribute to the emergence

of the people's party because Jimmy Dore

kept endorsing it Jimmy gets you know 14

000 concur viewers

and look how much Jimmy's changed the

landscape with his 14 000 view

concurrent viewers right sometimes more

Hassan I mean regularly he gets 50 000

on Twitch and they're young people as

well they're young energized people the

type of people who are getting extremely

involved in politics and becoming

activists and all this kind of shit if

Hassan did one tenth of what Jimmy Dore

does and Jimmy Dore is a comedian he

doesn't even do that much right

imagine what how much mountains could be

moved right

Jimmy Dore I would say almost

single-handedly is this fair to say or

is this too ignorant am I not in the

loop he started the forced to vote

discourse am I correct about that

he got AOC responding to it okay look at

Hassan piker's following look at how

many fucking viewers he gets

you're telling me Hassan can't make a

difference

it's not just money Hassan it's your

clout it's your viewers and they're

young too that's the fucking crazy thing

the demographic they're all fucking

energetic young people

I will go so far as to say I think

Hassan did just from his coverage in the

2020 primaries probably play a huge part

in carrying Bernie's campaign what do

you guys think is that a stretch

I don't think it's that much of a

stretch I think Hassan did

alter that and he didn't even know it

he's got power he doesn't even fucking

know

and he doesn't put it to use

and it pisses me off and I think this is

why train wrecks is right

because every day he's just on stream

reacting to content

he's like using S content things he can

alter

substantially actually right I'm not

saying he could change the political

system in any meaningful way

but he could change the politics he can

change the political possibilities that

exist right now he could form an actual

movement

way bigger than the DSA easily right

that Fields candidates and you know it's

not going to be overnight it could take

10 years or 20 years but he could

fucking really get the ball rolling

creating a mass movement and putting

people's energy and yeah let's get this

guy elected let's get this guy elected

let's do this let's do that let's go

here let's support this let's support

that he could fucking do a lot right

he could do a shit ton

so you know that's

that's all you got to know it's like a

fucking fraud

that we're dealing with with a song

and that's pretty much

uh remove idea I'll do it later man we

gotta cover this

you know but train wrecks is just a

normal guy calling him out his bullshit

Hassan eating all this fucking clout and

money

rifting off of this political ideology

put your money where your fucking mouth

is

right you can't just sit here and and

act like you're above everybody because

you're smarter than ever oh you're

better than everyone

and that's the only thing you have to

offer I'm smart and everyone else is

wrong I have fucking glasses you don't

shut up dude

you're a fucking fraud you're a complete

fraud you're complete full of shit

and we're gonna react to Hassan and

debunk everything he said by the way

Hassan did get a haircut as I told him

to

um

because I'm the sultan now I took over

the Ottoman Empire I'm the leader of the

Ottoman Empire

I am the sultan

and Hassan is a subject to my Empire

he did listen to my advice when I told

him to shave his hair thank you so much

Muriel appreciate you it's the first

Phoenician

afro-asiatic Mediterranean Sultan of the

Ottoman Empire

and I can I have fabricated some Turkish

lineage all the way back to uh Osman

and all that kind of stuff

but you know it's it's no problem he

just fabricate stuff that's everyone

does that you know Turks are not even

Turks they're kind of Greek I'm just

kidding that's a joke

I have no problem with Turks they're

real Turks okay

uh it's the Greeks that are Turks or

which one is it I don't know

I don't know it's one of those

but anyway

Adam to here salt and Adam's here I did

tell him to get a haircut he did listen

to what I said

and that much is evident look he gotta

uh I'll give us on one thing in this

whole debacle one thing only

his hair don't look bad doesn't look bad

he don't look bad here

it's very surprising

the glasses are still you know

speaking of Cambodia

but

the glasses definitely have to go it's

so pretentious and uh silly also he

could use a tan you know

I could use a tan as well but I'm more

of a judgmental person not a uh

do it myself kind of guy I'm kind of I

share a lot in common with Hassan in

that regard I'm kind of a guy who likes

to do as I say not as I do kind of guy

right

anyway

that's the first thing we're getting out

of the way as far as the itinerary

that's the first that's a very important

thing to

get out of the way right

but Hassan you know what Hassan's not

even Turkish he's Greek that's the Greek

that's the Greek side of you know

so that's don't take it from me that's

what I heard that he's actually Greek

and he's not even really Turkish

that apparently I'm actually the real

Turk

that's what they're saying I don't know

that's what Turks tell me they say that

I'm the real Turk Hassan's not really

Turkish at all

who's one of those Greek people that

just adopted the language

anyway

Let's uh review this and then see train

wrecks is Persian

and that my friends is an interesting so

this is kind of like the safavid empire

versus the Ottomans no that's the thing

because he's not Turkish so this is more

like the Persian Empire versus the

Greeks and I side with the Persians

every day of the fucking week

this is the Persians versus sorry this

is the Persians versus the Greeks

right

um

and I I side with the Persians easily

you know and then this guy

xqc is uh Canadian I don't know what

Canadia was doing back then

I think this is just the a vagrant of

some kind some homeless guy who's just

caught in the middle

he's just kind of saying things I'm not

sure what I would categorize him as

the cane I don't know what Canadia was

doing at that time

um

I think the Vikings no that was in the

Middle Ages I don't know

I think this guy is just a Canadian

we just got caught in the Christ

Crossfire somehow maybe time traveler I

don't know anyway guys

I've set up the terms of the debate I've

set up the conditions uh the context

let's let's get into it let's see what

is going to be said Is there going to

react to this I don't know

he said he's down

but zerka is also famous for

having a different

concept of time than most of us unlike

me I'm always on time for everything

and I'm always

on the dot punctual

right

anyway let's react to this

where um China's talking to will meth

about the uh turkey charity and then

things lied to complete out of control

and then um Hassan and then it calls

that train for

crickets remember this happened like

this week I have to apologize for this

um

language I don't know this is Canadian

or something I don't speak Canadia

but the definitely not the English I'm

used to but yeah he knows what it is I

know what it is yes okay then how about

how about train you walk me through your

initial uh uh Point what did you say to

Will and the watch say I wanted to call

initially if you can find a clip that

would be very helpful

that'd be very helpful right I was

talking about how I love the podcast

um among other among other things right

and the conversation came up he brought

that up as an example and I clicked this

train wrecks only wear glasses to troll

the song like like you want to be

Precision I don't I don't know I don't

know I don't watch him I wouldn't know

terrified it's true that'd be hilarious

and then I'm already giving him a point

in the debate for that

kind of reminds me you guys ever see

that Dr Phil episode where that guy

shows up and Dr Phil thought he was he

had a you know he's gonna just scold

this horrible guy who did bum fights you

know he's recording homeless people

fighting

and then as soon as the guy gets on the

stage

and not only is he dressed like Dr Phil

he has his head shaved and he's he looks

just like Dr Phil he's got the must he's

got the whole look

and then Dr Phil looked at him and he

was so butthurt and he was so offended

he's like you know what after reviewing

the footage you're so disgusting and he

tried to like do a moral High Ground

like I don't even want to talk to you

but we all know Dr Phil was just butt

hurt that he came on stage dressed as Dr

Phil and Dr Phil knew he did not have

this under control

and I just like pointing that out as an

example of that's why Dr Phil's a fraud

I'm not scared to say that I'm not one

of the guys who just makes random

enemies

but in the case of Dr Phil I am willing

to make an exception he's a fraud right

he was making it seem like oh I don't

want to talk to you because you make

homeless people fight then why did you

invite him to the show it's the fact

that he dressed as you and he looks like

you you didn't expect that right so

yeah I think is this a similar situation

that's what I want to know and if it is

then train wrecks already is taking the

lead as far as the debate is concerned

just gotta let you guys know that

because at the end of the day all of

Branch or not I think there's an Avenue

regarding you know

um the socialism in which you know

Hassan preaches but doesn't act with

right that there's that Avenue where I

don't think we'll ever come to terms

with together right so that that is the

disconnect I don't know if him and I

will find that middle ground for but

that didn't come up because I went on

there to talk about it that just kind of

came up past if you watch the clip the

entire clip that was generally a

positive call

right I think you kind of saw the clip

and he picked that those like 10 seconds

out as far as like socialism being at

odds with uh my my mode of existence

um that is another thing that I am very

uh that is another thing that I've been

very consistent on with respect to like

uh like having anti-capitalist values

while simultaneously still being a

fucking dumbass who likes Commodities

that are luxurious

three words I'm gonna translate that to

you in English plain spoken English I'll

translate it for you ready

Hassan saying

I have demonstrated self-awareness over

the apparent irony that I call myself a

socialist and I also like to live

lavishly

I'm not sure why he's mentioning

commodities

I don't think brand consumer goods are

just Commodities to be clear it's not

like he's talking he's purchasing the

fucking 10 yards of linen that Marx

describes in capital I'm not sure why

he's using such like rigorously formal

language to describe the lavish

luxurious shit that he likes to you know

he likes to have it's like oh I I buy a

car that's my commodity no a fucking

this is such pretentious language okay

just say you like to live lavishly you

like to live large

you you translate into language that

people can understand because I'm just

telling you that's all he's saying and

he's just saying it pretentiously to

make it seem like he's an intellectual

you're not an intellectual son

he said mode of existence what is this

right you just be like I live a lavish

lifestyle I like to live large

I like to have nice things

and I'm also calling myself a socialist

and then you could begin from there but

he the way he says it is so fucking

insufferable

it's so insufferable right like

like thank you so much bro I appreciate

you mode of existence is pure

pseudo-intellectual yeah it's just

jibber jabber right

and he says well I'm a dumbass for it

what do you dude it's like oh silly me I

just bought like a three million dollar

house silly me I just bought no just

fucking own up to it

I'm giving train wrecks another point

because just fucking own up to it

why are you doing this like oh silly me

I'm such a dumbass for spending all this

money you know if it was me and I was

spending that kind of money

and I'm not sure if I really would

if I got my money from like

anything else I probably would do way

worse than a song but if I only got it

off of being like a political streamer I

don't know if I could do that right

but I would just be like I like to live

with my nuts hanging I like to live

lavishly bitch I like to live large

motherfucker I like to live like a king

I'm a fucking Prince motherfucker like I

would own that shit you know what I mean

I said why are you pocket watching me

you know that's how I would be

but why the fuck you pop Pocket watching

me I like to live large live because you

can't do that because he's got to wear

the glasses and he's got to appeal to

the Brooklyn hipsters and they don't

like that kind of shit they don't like

that they don't like Ballers right

they're not a fan of the Ballers because

the Ballers are not woke the Ballers are

not pandering the Ballers are not

domesticated the ball is not under

control because they have enough Goddamn

money to do what they want

you think fucking Mayweather has to give

a shit but what's a fucking pink hair

grad student thinks you think he has to

give a shit about that he don't give a

fuck about any of that shit you know

what I mean

Floyd doesn't even give a fuck about

that you know you think fucking

Gucci Mane gotta give a shit about that

he doesn't

he doesn't

but Hassan does because that's where he

gets all his money and Views

and that's the difference Hassan if he

started acting like me he would lose

everything

he would lose everything

you know what's funny I'm I'm bawling in

a fucking 30 tracksuit

this shit

was forty dollars total this whole thing

Thirty or forty dollars I bought it at

the outlet at Adidas Thirty forty

dollars and I'm balling in this shit you

know what I mean

he can't act like me it doesn't it's not

about money it's about mentality he

can't do it

right

he can't do it

he can do it I can do it because I don't

give a fuck if someone was trying to

pocket watch me it's like you know what

I do got the iPhone the golden trimmed

iPhone look at this it's the gold

colored iPhone I'm living lavish what

else do I got like I got the uh let me

show you some lavish shit I got I mean I

mean I got a golden

guess how much is fifteen thousand

dollars

that sword

150 000 the carpet right here you're

looking at 270

000 for that carpet that Dragon right

there hand carved

straight from Asia got it imported

around the ballpark of eight to eleven

thousand dollars you know I'm I'm

balling out here I don't give a fuck

okay

I don't give a f I'm not here to be poor

I'm here to be lavish okay I got look at

all this shit I mean this whole room

total probably worth

573

thousand dollars

442.72 cents you know what I mean I'm a

fucking baller you know I mean I don't

got a Duos apologetic bullshit you know

is what it is

let's continue see I'm a very different

person than Hassan okay I'm a very

different person than Hassan all right

and uh

I'm not apologetic uh that has been a

consistent talking point for myself for

a very long time

um okay so this is his argument is that

I have self-awareness having

self-awareness means nothing you have to

answer for it Hassan logic failure minus

two points from Hassan's team so I don't

know why you think that ultimately

conflicts uh socialism is not a poverty

cult Socialism or anti-capitalism or

wanting to make things at least

marginally better for working class

Americans is not no matter how much

people say oh LOL Bernie Sanders okay

but if your entire brand is based on

this ideology

you should probably give back to it in

some kind of way instead of because

you're just complete because you're

complaining about it as if you're not

culpable in it right you're sitting on

your react stream oh look how shitty the

state of the world is but you can you're

culpable in that shitty State you're

self-assan you are the biggest political

streamer by far that I know of on the

internet

I think you're bigger than Tim Poole

right

see the biggest political streamer on

the internet

you're part of the world you're reacting

to Hassan whether you like it or not you

are a political actor

period nope none of us ever denied that

you have tremendous influence

very clear

which which you don't have is balls

that's why you're not the sultan Hassan

you will never be the sultan you're more

like the more like you know

some Court Jester who got kicked out and

has a traveling band of I mean you are

not a sultan a sultan has balls even

when his Army's only 300 strong

that's what separates a sultan from a

pretender and a fraud like Hassan agents

of the British Empire

right here

three houses fucking owned or whatever

the fuck

um that is not at odds with the way I

live

um this is a point of contention though

I will agree there is a there's broad

debate on this he's got no awareness

Hassan

Hassan

Hassan

you're sitting here millionaire

millionaire a few things sitting here

millionaire oh it doesn't conflict what

Hassan what are you here for what's your

purpose

you don't think you gotta justify it you

do

and I'll tell you why Hassan you also

got to justify it some extra shit you

gotta know about

cutting into other people's bottom line

as well

you're trying to police and gate keep

twitch and get fucking people banned

left and right

and enforce a culture of d platforming

ain't going after Aidan Ross going after

train wreck going after this person that

person you in hg3 G3 you're doing that

shit all the time it's on your gear a

gatekeeper

so yeah you gotta justify yourself don't

fucking just sit here on your millions

and millions of dollars sitting here

policing all the fucking content on the

internet

and then fucking what and what are you

what's the point

you're a fraud dude you're a millionaire

50 000 concurrent viewers and you can't

even what you can't form a fucking party

I saw the most stupid fucking Hassan

supporter in my uh quote tweets

this is I shit you not this Hassan

supporter okay was telling me some shit

like why would I why would a son want to

form another party like that's gonna

help

you know that book The Communist

Manifesto you know what it's actually

called it's called Manifesto of the

Communist Party the fact that the

working class needs political

Independence has been a truism of not

only Marxism but even socialism as we

know it mainstream socialism as we know

it

since the very fucking beginning in the

late 19th century when socialism as a

mass popular movement started taking off

well you don't need a fucking

independent party of course you do you

fucking idiot that's step one

but do I have to teach you Marxism 101

or some shit it's literally step one yes

if you don't have political Independence

you're always going to be beholden to

the political whims of the ruling class

why because the two parties are parties

of the bourgeoisie

right

parties that are controlled by the

bourgeoisie you can never no matter how

hard you try to reform them they will

never serve the interest of the working

class isn't that basic Marxism 101 you

fucking dumb air-headed bimbo idiot

it's like some woman in my replies who's

trying to simp for Hassan

political party part that's stupid

that's been tried before it has never

been tried with the amount of fucking

attention and clout Hassan has

you want to know why all these other

friends socialist parties fail because

they don't have attention

Hassan has so much fucking clout

he could he could fuck up our cpusa 2036

initiative overnight

if Assam told his viewers yeah let's

take over the cpusa it would happen

overnight I guarantee it would happen

overnight and our whole thing would be

fucked up that's the thing it would be

GG for everything we're trying to do we

would literally have to formulate a new

fucking strategy

and I'm openly admitting that we'd have

to formulate a new fucking strategy it's

like even with this new organization I'm

building it's like it would be a stretch

it would be considerably harder to take

over cpusa down the line if it saw

anyway but the thing is it would happen

overnight

we've been slowly taking a party for

years Hassan he would do what we have

done in years he would do it overnight

and with a party he could field

candidates he can do so fucking much

and put it on the map politically he

could literally put it on the map

politically especially among young

people and among the youth because

that's the audience he fucking has no no

one else has that no other fucking

political party has that clout none of

them had that amount of fucking

attention their way none of them have

the amount of resources that way right

none of them

thank you so much blackback appreciate

you

they would never let him get this big if

he was authentic

yeah that's the thing if he ever tried

to do that they wouldn't let him get

this big what happened to me see

Hassan is scared to do this shit

he will never create an alternative to

the Democrats

he's got to be loyal to those Democrats

or his platforms gone

he will never go against Democrats by

doing some shit like that oh you're

gonna mobilize young people to vote for

a non-democrat party and and get

involved and most importantly forget

about electoralism organizing

he literally has an army of people ready

to organize their communities

you fucking do a huge he could kick

start a huge fucking thing

I've done the math because I'm trying to

do it myself

okay

if Hassan tried that shit he could like

instantly put socialism really on the

map in this country in an effective way

all he's done is bitch about Bernie

being gone Hassan has so much attention

so much influence so much clout he could

fucking do it overnight

like this even if only 1 000 people out

of his viewers will full time commit to

it which I'm sure there were at least a

thousand would because 50 000 people are

so fucking dedicated that they watch

them every day concurrently for like

eight hours right

all he does is tell his viewers to vote

Democrat because there's no alternative

yeah there is an alternative Hassan you

your fucking platform that you built

easily could make an alternative and no

I'm not saying it's going to win a

presidential election

you shouldn't even worry about the

fucking presidential elections focus on

building the skeleton of a fucking party

movement and then in fucking you know

let's say 10 years from now

minimum I think it'd be even quicker

like you'd have a real mass movement in

this country that would shake things up

you know

and even if you still believe the

two-party system's gonna survive that

Democrats or whoever would have to

literally like make a deal with this

product hey we need this party support

we need the Hassan piker Party Support

please we're gonna pass we're gonna do

everything you want it could be like

this Grassroots pressure could do so

much endless possibilities

he's such a fraud dude such a fraud

if Hassan was willing to do that

and if he had the balls to do that

Maga communism would have never happened

all the pat socks shit would have never

happened like congrats we were we just

revived the Bernie thing the whole

Bernie momentum in 2016 would have just

been fucking revived and you wouldn't

need these bad villains like Haze Aldean

like Hassan you want to destroy

Hazeldean

I mean I won't be destroyed but I'd

probably like leave the internet and

come back under a new identity and uh uh

make sure this one works

try to take charge of this thing

to make sure like you know the the they

don't fuck it up like how they fuck

Bernie shit in 2020 with all that dumb

pink hair dumb ass shit but

Hazel Dean probably I mean Maga

communism all this stuff we're doing it

probably wouldn't exist

honestly if Hassan had the balls to like

build a fucking movement that could like

you know actually leverage demands from

the Democrats

shit

infrared as you know it might not even

exist hold on

give me a sec

alternate timelines that we know will

never happen because if if he tries to

do that shit he's gonna get deep

platform he's gonna get banned he's

destroyed right Margaret communism what

a joke

what a joke

what a joke I mean to be fair

probably not true that Maya communism

wouldn't

be necessary because

even whatever mass movement he wants to

build

when it comes to reaching outside of the

you know liberal community

still would have to reach the masses and

the masses are agamaga people that's the

truth

but I'm just saying like at least he'd

get the ball rolling with something like

something interesting would happen

something right instead of nothing

he owes us nothing oh trust me I I I

don't not only do I think he owes us

nothing I think he's a shield for the

Democrats

of course Maga communism is the way of

course it's the way it's it's in the way

in part because people like this are

fucking chills for the Democrats and I'm

just saying

blame only yourselves you could have

fucking done a lot of shit with the

platform and money and clout and

resources you have you're just too much

of a pussy to ever go against Democrats

that's the truth

that's the damn truth

right we're doing Maga communism and my

what is magu communism means forget

about the Liberals forget about these

leftists

if you want to build a working class

movement in this country begin with Maga

go to Maga we're gonna from we're gonna

build the Maga

communism we're gonna build a communist

movement from the Maga movement

which is already United the working

class of this country in an

unprecedented fucking way

right

Trump and Maga need a third party that's

what we think we want Trump

fuck the Republican party man why the

fuck is Maga in the same party as

Lindsey Graham

and fucking uh who's that fucking eye

patch McCain Guy what's his name again

Dan Crenshaw all these fucking neocons

and freaks and actual rhinos and

establishment swamp monsters

even the ones that say they're for Trump

like McCarthy and shit they're all full

of shit all right there's some Maga

people in there that are loyal to Trump

but they're in the minority the whole

fucking Republican party stacked against

him

and oh if Trump had a I mean but it who

knows but if there was a Maga that's

what we want that's what the Maga

Communists want we wanna not only want a

third party we want a party for the

working class because well our all our

whole argument is very simple people

think it's complicated and it's not

we're saying this in 2016 what got Trump

elected the working class

the blue collar working class right

that's what carried him to his election

the traditional Republicans are not the

blue-collar working class those are the

people on golf courses or so I don't

know right totally different people

totally different voters so all we're

saying is Maga has to double down on the

working class demographic and build its

interests policies and strategy around

uniting the working class in this

country thank you so much the king

building a party Hassan decided to

divide the left field exactly fucking

Jimmy Dory and calling Healthcare

activists fascists when there was the

m4m4a rally the king you know what's so

disgusting about that Hassan piker could

have single-handedly

uh made the fucking forced to vote

strategy work if you use this platform

he could have literally

gotten forced to vote to work

if he went all in on it for his platform

so yeah that's what we're saying with

Maga communism it's like oh what about

the communism stuff

well communism is just about the

movement of the working class and

building a state policies political

power

for the working class

we don't think communism is some system

you enforce

we have a theory that the productive

forces

will are developing in a Direction

that's going to make a lot of things

outdated like traditional capitalism

which it has

it already has in the information age

we think modes of production change

according to history it's the politics

you have to fight for in the politics of

the working class you got to fight for

the change in the system of society will

happen naturally right the politics

won't change naturally but the economics

will

it's not going to be at gunpoint or by

force or any of that kind of shit

unless we're talking about the

monopolies thank you so much PJ to

analyze London's writings in order to

develop literature collecting his work

to Mecca I would appreciate your

feedback if you get a chance oh sure

yeah thank you PJ I welcome it I welcome

it thank you so much for that and also

for the 10. thank you

but uh yeah all my other communism is

like yeah we do want to maybe

nationalize yeah nationalize the energy

industry and either break up the

monopolies or nationalize monopolies we

also want to break the bureaucracy of

the current government and simplify it

and and nationalize the uh the resources

that are monopolized but we don't want

to take people's personal businesses and

belongings and family businesses and we

don't want to take homes and all that we

don't want to socialize any of that

stuff thank you so much Venezuelan

Patriot appreciate you does the People's

Party have any potential as a working

class first party

uh I'm not sure I'm open to everything I

just think we have to build a

working-class Communist party which has

got to be drawn and work within the Maga

movement that's what I think

but that's all my communism is it's

actually really simple right yeah we

need a National Bank holy shit that's

what we need to break up the Federal

Reserve get us a National Bank

and that's the Communist line the

communism isn't about we're gonna we're

gonna force them forcibly

you know communalize every fucking thing

that's never What communists wanted

right

not even in Russia or China which were

very different conditions by the way

than America

it's actually simple

movement for the working class buy for

and of the working class and I could be

other people too it doesn't just have to

be the blue collar working class

but it has to be led by the blue collar

working class it's got to be led by the

working class but it's also going to

have other people join in you know

business owners and stuff they'll join

in

but it's led by the working class that's

what we believe right because we think

that's the divide with Maga we we're

trying to say it's not about ideology

it's about class the Maga people are the

blue collar working class

and then the rhinos and all these other

fucking Republicans that's

those are I don't know white collar

kinds of people right

so

that's our view

that's that's our analysis

that's the Maga communism line you know

it's pretty simple stuff

movement for the working class you know

what about all the ideas forget about

ideology

because the fuck about that

ideological differences material meat

and potatoes are what matters

not jibber jabber and phrases

and this guy's got the jibber jabber and

he's got oh I'm gonna I'm gonna talk

about all these phrases but in the meat

and potatoes he's against the working

class he calls them Hogs he doesn't do

anything for them thank you so much one

man army it's just common sense the

workers are majority yeah workers have

been pushed around by The megacor Who

buy out politics exactly one-man Army is

actually simpleized stuff

simple eyes stuff simple stuff right

communism working for the common

prosperity of the whole country

a bit of the parasites

you know

take control of our country

and

yeah it's about the meat and potatoes

not the jibber jabber this is all the

jibber jabber object matter there's many

different kinds of ways of approaching

it but it's against the truckers and

laughed when the cops attacked him

exactly mean potatoes China is the new

Global superpower the American people

will be forced to face the reality of

the power and legitimacy of Communism

and how we've been lied to it that's

exactly what we're talking about and not

just China also Russia because a lot of

people think Russia became capitalist

not true

you can't just revert from socialism to

capitalism that's never been that's

never happened in history

socialism is a mode of production you

either have that mode of production or

you don't so either the Soviet Union

never had a socialist motor production

or

um Russia

cannot be described as capitalist now is

it socialist

it's complicated I think Russia is in a

state I think

in terms of the mode of production it's

like the world is socialist right now

right but Russia's got that political

Legacy of socialism that will never go

away ever even Putin when he met with Z

I should cover that too by the way

and then I'm sure Jackson covered it

where you guys were there but

you know Putin's sitting down with Xi

Jinping

and he's telling him you know hey we

admire your system that you got in China

we wish we would have done that hey

that's a socialist system

and then Putin when you know it's

communism is not really that

controversial in Russia they're like

yeah okay but but what it's like this

Bedrock of the Russian history and all

they're doing is deciding okay well how

do we go forward because we can't just

go back to the Soviet Union

but it's not like they're going to the

Past before the Soviet Union existed

that's not possible right so

it's like Russia and China are forcing

us to deal with like hey communism has

irreversibly changed our world

and we're behind we Americans are like

behind we're like living in feudalism

and it's like

Russia and China are going through what

the Industrial Revolution and we're just

living in feudalism like we have to

somehow respond to it

react to it

to catch up but socialism communism it's

become objective facts

as part of History it's objective fact

it's like irreversibly changed the

course of world history it's not it's

not going anywhere right all we can do

is react to it in different ways but

it's here to stay

not going anywhere

yeah all these ex-socialist countries

you look at all their infrastructure

look at all their industry it's all

Legacy stuff from the Socialist era they

have not moved past it

the only way to move past it is even

doubling adopting socialism again

because you got to go back to the roots

right

you know government said hey guys I'm

gonna give you uh a pro tip okay here's

a pro tip nine out of ten times

when you hear these fucking politicians

especially the neocons talk about the

free market capitalist system

they're talking about geopolitics

they're not talking about a system

they're talking about geopolitics so for

example when they say oh we need to

bring free market capitalism

to this or that country let's say

Venezuela or Cuba or something you know

what they're really saying is they're

saying we need the globalist

corporations and international banking

cartels to take control of this

sovereign country

when they say oh we want this country to

have a free market and privatize what

they really mean to say is we want the

foreigners the globalists to take over

they're not actually talking about some

you know some

some system of free competition or

anything like that it's geopolitics

right think about it it's geopolitics

all the corporations all the economics

are politicized economies are all

political now you know

economies are all fucking political and

shit

they're all fucking political like

there's no private sector it's a myth

guys let me tell you nothing the private

sector is a fucking myth

it's political it's always been

political

when they privatize something they just

mean we're gonna make it controlled by

the Deep State not by the uh official

government

a lot of the times that's what they mean

right or we're gonna make it controlled

by some other political force that's not

officially represented by the law but

it's always political it's not like it's

some actual you know return to the

capitalism of

you know before 1929

so people got to realize that a lot of

times oh we're gonna privatize it that

means we're gonna put it in the hands of

this company which

already has some political standing of

some kind

thank you so much PJ appreciate you

mercantilism yeah it's it's not

it's not what people think

so is it I'm an anti-capitalist what the

fuck does that even mean

right it's it's it's all these political

distinctions that become meaningless

ultimately it's about uh the relation to

the means of production that's it that's

all this is and it's about giving

workers more autonomy it's not about

doing oh it's fucking what does that

even fucking mean given workers more

autonomy

what is a stupid leftoid jibber jabber

language

giving workers more autonomy by

supporting the fucking

Justin Trudeau's crack he said he wants

to give workers more autonomy

but he's against the freedom Convoy

which was literally about workers having

more autonomy

make it make sense the uh mandate

the lockdown protest the Mandate protest

we're all about workers having more

autonomy

and he was against all the votes so I

just don't know what the fuck he's

talking about

he needs to be a little more specific

with what he means because it sounds

like a whole lot of Jibber Jabber

charity okay I've never said socialism

is Charity even though I myself engage

in charitable acts I've been fairly

consistent on that as well uh with

respect to just doing it regardless of

whatever people say even if they shit on

me I think xqc can advocate for that as

well I've literally had private

conversations you do charity dude but

like you're kind of ripping the it's

like it's like you know like when you if

you're like

repping a gang symbol but you're not

part of the Gang

you're gonna let it's gonna land you in

trouble and it's kind of not the same

thing but I do think there's some

something a little comparable about it

you know

it's like you're repping the socialism

but what what for what you're you're

grifting off of it

and that's what distinguishes you Hassan

Hassan you're the political guy

if you were not political Hassan and you

were like Aiden Ross I think Aiden Ross

would get blown out the water

you would get destroyed

as a streamer you'd be like a 2K Andy or

something at most

if even

would you even if if Hassan didn't have

his socialist politics how many viewers

would he have that's all we gotta

fucking ask

all you gotta ask is how many viewers

would he fucking have if he was not

drifting off socialism probably not a

lot

probably not as much as he has now

so

if that's the reason for your success

you should be accountable to it in some

kind of way that's all we're saying

is with them many many years ago even

about like it's a good thing people shit

on you regardless you should still do it

um but yeah socialism is exclusively and

almost entirely about the relations of

the means of production and how Society

is developed around the current

organization of the economy again he's

using a bunch of jargon and jibber

jabber the average person won't

understand so I'm going to translate to

those of you who want to use some normal

language

socialism

is about what guide what's the guiding

principle of our economy is the guiding

principle of our economy

you know for the bankers and you know

Elites

or is the guiding principle of our

economy

taking into consideration you know

the thing that

binds us together as human beings in a

society like is the guiding principle of

the Economy based on what's good for

society or what's good for a handful of

uh

you know

a handful of Elites it's kind of like

that simple

so that's a way to simplify it for you

so Hassan's using a bunch of jargon he

doesn't even understand I understand

this argon he's using him not helpful in

communicating anything to you

I have a thousand viewers and I would

not use the jargon he's using the jargon

he's using right

so what's the guiding principle of

the society is it about

profits or is it about people and is it

about Society what's good for society

right

so socialism just means the guiding

principle of the economy

is about what's good for society and

what's good for the people

and

apparent capitalism meant that the

guiding principle of society is just

Capital right

just increasing the amount of profits

you know increasing the capital

beating the capital all societies built

around capital

rather than built around

you know some kind of established good

of society so it's that you know it's

that simple it's not really that

complicated

can you explain it

and how Commodities are produced

okay so somehow how Commodities are

okay so you're saying if there's a this

thing you know what's stupid about

the way uh marxists use Commodities it's

like

commodity production has become subsumed

and socialized we don't have a fucking

commodity form

not really Commodities are kind of part

of this stream of production now give

you an example

the commodity of an iPhone are they is

this like the production of discrete

Commodities no it's the blueprint of the

iPhone which is this brand almost like

this virtual thing

and that is just guiding production to

shit out copies and copies and copies

and copies and copies of that

it's almost like when you put

when you have a printer and you put in

your computer you draw you know

I don't know you draw like a dick or

something let's be vulgar you're just

printing out on the printer constantly

printing is that commodity production

not really right

commodity production is based on

the constant reproduction of some

technique of Labor

but the technique of Labor is completely

subsumed by Brands these socialized

Supply chains

with who you know

which

don't produce Commodities strictly based

on profit the whole supply chain is

based on reproducing the brand not

Capital strictly

the brand has taken over everything over

right points and what he sees socialism

and the action can do to a further

socialism and

um

uh okay it makes it makes sense you're

trying do you agree what he said did

somebody said

no she says that that socialism right is

more than means of production and the

worker stuff and not not the whole

spread the wealth thing and I think you

like a commodity is a discrete

unit of exchange value right

I don't think that's what the goods in

in a 711 are I don't think you're

looking at necessarily a bunch of

Commodities I think the commodity is at

the level of the brand the brand is what

has a discrete exchange value the the

stock price of the company or something

the item that's this great physical item

is extremely disposable because it's

such an abundance of them right so

Commodities don't really explain

how consumer economies work

it's not really about the economy like

who gives a fuck about the individual

unit at that point it's about exclusive

rights to production

it's like do you own the trademark for

this do you own the IP for this like let

me let me let me explain it to you guys

this way what's more valuable

what actually sells

is it the Hershey's bar that sells

or is it the ingredients which sell

can I just take Hershey's ingredients no

I can't that's where the fucking value

is it's in the IP it's in the fucking

patent right

that's where the fucking actual exchange

value is what it's a Transcendent form

of exchange value the actual thing they

produce is just like some disposable

after effect

it's like the fit it's like we live in a

platonic capitalism it's the platonic

form that matters right

you I think you say oh you should spread

the wealth more type shit right I would

agree so

spreading the wealth is not socialism if

that was the case and Jeff Bezos would

be the number one socialist you know

what I mean he he albeit of a very minor

part of his uh overall well he gives

okay son what is socialism then why

don't you explain that fucking tell us

what socialism is and how you contribute

to that hundreds of millions of dollars

uh that it would be literally a

socialist if that was the case

so I I think the point is this right

preaching socialism without action is

literally just capitalism you understand

if you preach the idealistic way that

Society should operate yet you don't

Implement any of those systems right

within your own let's say proportionally

within your own Community you show that

these systems can work just wait

no no no see I think train wrecks and is

uh

the spirit of what he's saying is true

because I think train wrecks is just

saying like you should have something to

show for

train wrecks is usually an example I

don't know if I necessarily agree with

it it's like you should create a local

version of a socialist society

but that's not really the point because

what train wrecks is trying to say is

like

you should be part of what you're saying

in some way I think

the better point is that it's you should

be trying to build a political movement

putting your fucking resources into that

because it's all it's about politics

he's a politics streamer

um

prove that your socialism works

that it can actually affect things right

it can actually affect the direction of

politics in this country

so in essence what train is saying is

right

I love that he's trying to say it in his

own way

but he's right overall you know no

that's actually a great point it's a

great Point uh and it unfortunately

fails to capture how inescapable uh

capitalism is do I benefit from it

absolutely I'm a profoundly fortunate

person something that I but the promise

on is that you are fortunate because

of your politics

so are is your fortune going back into

your politics it's not it's going into

your fat wallet and you're buying dumb

shit with it they so much one minute I

think the means of production is the

workers government taking control of the

industry in order to gather the nation

as a whole and Society capitalism

without a leash is what we have now

think Hassan yeah that's a good way of

looking at it

or I like this word we have a socialism

for the rich

we're not living in capitalism guys

not technically we're living in a

socialism for the oligarchy

we're living in a capitalist socialism

we're living in a capitalism themed

socialism let me explain it that way

we're living in a socialism themed as

capitalism

for the purposes of justifying

the control of society by an elite

minority of monopolies what do you think

of that

regularly acknowledge and talk about all

the time I'm very privileged I'm very

fortunate these are things that I do not

hide I'm wealthy another thing is just a

branding this is our American branding

of our socialism

and it's a disguise because in reality

it's a socialism for Elites

do not hide the oligarchs right I don't

know Banks Wall Street people always

city of London say that I hide it but do

you understand that but ultimately like

if Cooper cooperatives can work

individually and I can point to

socialization working in other countries

for example like in European Social

Democrat uh social democracies like uh

get the fuck out of here with this dumb

shit Norway even in Canada it works

better than the United States fucking

Canada man States even though it has its

flaws it's a great winning message yeah

Canada with fucking Justin Trudeau's

fascist government so there are already

there are ex there are instances of like

socialization not socialism working in

other countries and yet that is still

not true but it's on you prove you're

about it you that's what train wreck's

trying to say I'm not trying to say

prove it in the abstract that it's by

you prove it somehow because you're the

one fucking benefiting from it change

people's minds in the United States of

America thank you so much Chris I

appreciate you we privatize profits and

socialize losses true

very true

um

so I don't know why you think that like

uh something completely and entirely

removed from socialism itself which

would be me like I guess doing socialism

in my own Community I don't know how you

you would do that but I would love to

hear your perspective uh I don't know

how that would genuinely change people's

minds in that regard

but as far as like my own form of it

probably would you know it sounds like

some frivolous demand

or idea but you know in turkey and in

Russia and around the world

these things do exist thank you so much

zero I love re-zero it's pretty calm

common for Communists two actually try

and set up

socialistic communities or communistic

communities

you know it's like for purposes of like

serving as an example to the country

like hey this works we're doing it here

let's expand it

and I kind of used to be dismissive of

that

but when I think about Deng xiaoping's

reforms and how those happened and how

you know there's a province in China

that's still running like the old

socialist planning system pretty

successfully actually you guys know what

province I'm talking about it's like a

town or some Province or something like

that

that's like still in the Mao era

in China and it's like you know it

actually works

and

I like this kind of idea of

decentralizing

the specific managerial system you have

like socialism and overall mode of

production but

the specific type of system

or let's call it uh the specific theme

you have the specific uh

you know

specific managerial methods you employ

should be local right

that's that's how they're going to

spread

commodity production I work with you

should begin local not begin

implementing some fucking utopian vision

from the top down that's stupid should

you should manage your economy

scientifically from the top down

but at the local level you have so much

more room to experiment that's what they

did in the Soviet Union by the way they

didn't just fucking do the

collectivization from the top down there

was a collective Farm movement that was

happening from the bottom up

and they're like okay this this model

Works let's spread it right

you had mixed results at first when they

spread it obviously there was a famine I

can't discount that but you know I'm

just saying even in a country like the

Soviet Union they didn't have the

fucking mentality of that oh yeah we're

just gonna

have this systemic change all happen at

once

labor in Union shops in the United

States of America and it's domestically

manufactured uh when I do merchandising

uh and I have uh some form of

Cooperative organization where uh the

the people that I work with not my

workers per se but people that I work

with whether it be my producers or

editors have full autonomy over their

times full autonomy over how much they

make full autonomy over a percentage of

the the okay so they have flexible work

environments

that's that would be the actual uh

so in in normal speak you'd be like okay

the people that I employ have very

flexible working environments

but he says full autonomy because you

got to have that jargon and those that

phraseology that's you know themed in a

left left this way even though any other

person would just be like yeah I give my

employers a lot of flexibility with

what they do the uh uh profits or even

more not only that but they also have

editorial Independence like in the case

of astronauts who can say what he wants

and I'm not going to you know go after

him unless he's making an erroneous

mistake so that's it that's that's you

know that's that's my that's my

perspective and I think I uh I think I I

try to live by my values as as best as

possible and I think I I do it a

decently a decent job I think at that

that perspective is convenient in my

opinion like it's a convenient

perspective to have right like if I I

would accept that perspective why is it

convenient I'll tell you why I'll tell

you why so everything that you do would

be completely fine right if you moved

away from the from these extremisms

right and you moved more so to the

middle and you're like okay listen guys

I'm a capitalist but I believe in

socialist systems to be mixed in with

the capitalistic systems to create a

better Society right to grab the the

good of both you understand but the

problem is you're completely shitting on

capitalism you're completely Eat the

Rich anti-capitalist I'm losing you

again everyone can hear you except for

me I'm sorry can you hold on

so translate what train is saying

saying Hassan

clearly there are these things you

identify with capitalism

that are indispensable to your way of

life

and a train is having a hard time

understanding of how can you claim to

hate capitalism

when it's such a fundamental part of

what makes your life and your happiness

possible

right

now how would I respond to this by the

way

I would respond that

the things about capitalism that make

our lives happy

have internal defects thank you so much

Hamza while a bro Hassan that don't

allow them to continue you can learn

from him so that's like Crisis for

example like the run on the banks we

just saw

prices right eventually it gets into a

crisis they need socialism to kind of

fix the whole thing

you know what I mean that's that's that

would be an intelligent response I think

I think you would say like

we're not against the things about

capitalism because if we're just gonna

play ball with the terminology I'm not I

never like to be nitpicky about

terminology I'm like the opposite of

President Sunday like I technically

don't even think we're living in

capitalism but I'll I understand what

train wrecks is trying to say when he

uses that word that's why I don't give a

fuck about terminology so like yeah

you know

um the things about capitalism we

benefit from are not the things we want

to destroy

we don't want to just destroy every

aspect of society we just think that

there are flaws

that capitalism by itself cannot address

fun uh we're gonna have to do this again

one more time let me turn off the camera

and turn it on again oh I can hear you

again thank you I have a Discord issue

sorry sorry sorry sorry I I personally

like to say we're not even living in

capitalism anymore

and just be like we're already living in

socialism it's not a problem

like the crisis happened in 1929 ever

since then it's not really been

capitalism in the first place

I think that intelligent aren't going to

be like it's not capitalism that I like

it's technology and wealth

I don't want to destroy technology and

prosperity

it's capitalism that's getting in the

way of that now

and I'd begin my argument from there

but I think I'll just be better than

hasana maneuvering this conversation in

general

I really do want to hear what you have

to say can you probably like win over

train wrecks a little bit at least a

little right top yeah can I juice up

real quick then since we had a little

disconnect

wait what yeah yeah he's got yourself

thank you so much PJ it's an important

point to make though the meaninglessness

of the term is proof of the dialectic

yeah true it takes a second

um okay yep wait I wanna I'll wanna

explain his own thing

but he's gotta juice up you never dress

up

yeah but like this is internal service

on page three by the way

um

no he is because at least the preacher

is like

at least the fucking preachers like

honest which is like

I make money ever I love making money

and I do what is that quote from that

preacher he's like

I love making my

what is it what is it

I love making money every day and I do

what is that what is that quote it's a

legendary quote I love it

what does he say that preacher that

Southern Baptist preacher

he admits it he flaunts it he's like my

chandelier in my house is worth more

than yours

entire life savings he says some shit

like that I got a chandelier at my house

worth more than your entire house some

shit like that

so I don't want this to get too

sidetracked I am thinking no stuff holy

shit Jennifer thank you so much Banks

now are speculative investment funds

grafted onto critical infrastructure

designed to extract subsidies from the

rest of society by threatening civilians

with a crisis if the banks that ever

fail

banks are now are special investment

funds grafted onto critical insurance

designs to exact subsidies yeah

true you're actually right it's like

they're fucking blackmailing us

with their their blackmailing us with

fucking they're gambling bullshit

yes that's a really good way to put it

actually and thank you so much for the

50 by the way a pretty brilliant way to

put it

oh about the things that I think you

guys can make amends on okay

like the earlier point I think the first

point I think

you almost some sort of a comment and a

second Point she owes you wanna I think

you guys are like one to one on the

things that you guys should say to each

other but I mean I'm trying to be I'm

just saying I'm just saying I do I'm

laughing I'm laughing at one of your

Chatters I'm actually one guy in your

chat Hassan absolutely hates the fact

that he can't pedal out cheap merch made

in China for four cents because he built

his brand around being the sjw guy that

is an incredibly cynical perspective and

uh I know that that is only

why am I simping for Hassan

how am I simply I don't I can't stand

this fucking a song guy what are you

talking about

shared by people who literally cannot

I'm I'm on this guy's side

not see that people sometimes actually

do end up living their values that says

more about you an Iran than myself I'm

gonna be honest with you uh if you want

to get lectured I can do that for you

right now but that just only shows how

cynical you are it's no different than

like it's a progression of capitalism

run the simulation

there's no running any simulation

capitalism has historical mode of

production is is gone it doesn't exist

anymore and you can't return to it so I

don't get your point is Aiden Ross

constantly being like Oh everyone is in

it for the money it's like yeah bro

you're you are yeah I get it

wow okay sorry anyway okay but now I

want to hear it I think Hassan is in it

for the fucking money to be honest

he's gotta be here Trend Rex's uh

perspective on that song not possible

not enough cloud

see if I was like train Rex's level of

clout Hassan would be talking about me a

lot this guy's really dangerous in it

but I don't have that much clout so

I guess I don't exist

I guess it would be train Rex's in that

situation or maybe train wrecks anyways

because his hair

I'm the reason he got a haircut so of

course I'm gonna take credit

for him listening to my advice why

wouldn't I

go ahead say anything about the

socialism capitalism

okay so if you moved your like ideations

or whatever the fuck you call it more so

to uh you know

I'm a capitalist but I believe in

socialist values I believe in socialist

systems I believe in more of a mix right

you know if you push that more to the

middle middle left it would make sense

to exactly what you do it makes sense to

your entire business model but to sit

there and see what happens address I

think trains right because it's like if

you were just out here being like yeah

I lean toward that but I'm not really

all in on it

it would be like okay your brand has

some flexibility like you've built a big

brand based on being a defender of the

status quo like Destiny for example

right

and that would make sense it'd be like

yeah you're just like a guy who's part

of the status quo you're not selling

people on this idea that you're some

fucking revolutionary who's here to

overthrow things and change things

so I I think train is just

completely right here but he's gonna

he's gonna go over his head totally and

he's just gonna be like oh

theoretically that's not necessarily

true

conflicting

well I'm getting there but to sit there

right and to sell right think about this

okay your entire business model in my

opinion is that of a capitalist business

model right you sell

how the world should be right

while justifying

not implementing those very systems of

how the world should be

by saying you're just participating in

society that's fine you can participate

in society but at the very least in the

position that you're in making what you

make in my opinion the words are not

enough you should be implementing these

very systems within your own Community

to show that these systems work do you

understand on a proportional level if

you cannot implement the various systems

you preach that should be implemented

within America into your community of

thirty thousand then I would just say

your grandstanding and you're just

selling an idea to make money yourself

right like that's great that's a great

point

you're you're absolutely correct on it

if you're understanding of what I

advocate for was was sound and I think

this is a normal misunderstanding and a

lot of people have this misunderstanding

I just gave you examples of you're

missing the point

you're talking about oh I I believe in

change you contribute to no change

it's that simple he wants to change

society but he does not contribute to

any changes in society at all

isn't it that simple

relation that I have where I am

producing Commodities with the help of

others that are involved in the process

and I told you that I utilize when I am

actually stop telling people Democrat

every four years

how about that

Hassan if you were in the ring

politically

I promise you train wrecks would not be

critiquing you like this he wouldn't

he'd be like you know what this asanga

is part of this huge political movement

that is changing shit or it's

it's on its way to change shit and he's

fighting for the worker and what

you know he wouldn't be saying this shit

like oh Hassan is winning he's workers

are winning locally and they're all

these unions are winning and they're

getting higher wages thanks to Hassan's

movement Hassan is a real socialist

after all

blah blah blah it's not happening

they're producing Commodities utilize

the same values that I uphold okay uh

whether it be unionized domestic uh

employees uh that I am uh when I'm

whenever I'm working on merchandise or

whether it be having by the way

my merch

is going to come from Global South Third

World

Sweatshop labor

uh

from Baristas who were fired from their

jobs from trying to unionize in the

global South and it's gonna all gonna be

you know

uh

colonized Global South Baristas other

things I can't mention on YouTube but

I'm gonna make sure all of it is going

to be cheap cheap

Sweatshop merch

and that's what I'm going to be selling

because I want to give my viewers low

prices I'm a friend of the worker I

believe in low prices I don't believe in

uh

selling a fucking 100 shirt oh it was

unionized fuck the damn Union then if

you're stupid ass fucking Union can't

compete with Sweatshop labor it should

be abolished

you're gonna fucking crucify the

consumer especially in an inflation

crisis you end up with a scenario where

only the wealthy and the privileged

gonna fucking afford to wear the shit

you're selling I'm gonna sell a 60

fucking shirt

that'll be for the workers except how

many workers will be able to afford it

you know your union bullshit is not

competitive that's why unions fucking

suck

because they just it's just a tax on the

consumer

right

why is it all about high wages why isn't

it also about low prices

you know nobody thinks about that

if the prices are low

you know

I don't know what do you guys think a

Cooperative podcast or having full

autonomy and and having everything I'm

helping the workers

who are my viewers

those sweatshops will produce merch

either way

if they're not gonna do it for me

they're gonna do it for uh some fortnite

streamer

it'll be done either way only difference

am I going to tax my viewers with such

high exorbitant prices no I'm gonna get

you guys on the T

on the cheap end right

Masha is going to be affordable

I'm a capitalist

ah lower those prices

come competition at their own wages uh

with relation to uh how much profit like

I went to Adidas Outlets the other day I

got two Adidas tracksuits

for eighty dollars

I don't give a fuck if

Sweatshop victims of

I don't give a shit who's those are low

that's a good deal that put a smile on

my face I said

wow

you know and I feel like this is a

lavish luxurious type of outfit I got

two of them

I said wow

can't beat those prices I'm gonna go

fucking Buy unionized Ugly clothing hell

no

have little profit a certain Venture

makes that is as close as you can get to

like multiple different formations of

trade unionism uh an anarchosynicalis

perspective and also some level of self

I love every time he makes these jibber

jabber terms you just gotta look at

train wreck's face and he's just it's

all going

straight like he's filtering it all like

when he said anarchosyndicalism like how

do you think train wrecks register that

trainex is like yup

that's that jibber jabber

that's that uh

that's that

Hassan Babel

still has a three million dollar house

that's that Hassan babble

he's not explaining why he's got a

fucking

multi-million dollar lifestyle

socialism so from that perspective you

are objectively incorrect

in most other circumstances I have no

control over it there's nothing I can do

like as far as there is you like as far

as like the Turning Amazon into a

Cooperative Corporation I can't do that

you know what I want to see

I want to see a debate

between

Hassan and president Sunday

it'll be like The Clash of Jibber Jabber

Hassan versus president Sunday two

people who will deliberately be obtuse

to completely distort the quest to find

common meaning

solely for the sake of being like

theoretically or technically precise

imagine that a debate Showdown Hassan

piker and president Sunday

and oh my God I would watch that man I'd

pay 500 to make that happen

versus jabber

Jibber versus jabber the debate that

would be the most legendary debate of

all time

it is a massive almost trillion dollar

operation that I have no control over

okay so what you're saying is that is

that for you the social aspects are only

in the means of production and and the

workers and the fact that the units or

not about the workers okay I have a

question then when you have a podcast

this guy is not healthy

this guy is definitely speaking uh some

language

it's not American English

but he's given a recap

he's given a recap to his own people his

own people understand it so he's like

the translator

he's like recapping he's recapping

everything in his native language to his

viewers

past the different part how much are the

guests and producers paid on that show

um one-third of the entire Revenue

the guests open no the guests are not

paid if I ever talk to this guy nothing

against him by the way nothing against

him at all but I just feel like if I

talk to him he gets super mad at me

because like what

like I don't understand he said he gets

so frustrated and annoyed

with the like barrier and comprehension

that he'd think I'm like being passive

aggressive when I'm I genuinely cannot

understand

and I I don't ever want to talk to him

because I don't ever want to offend him

in that way I'm not I hate people who

are like that who are like deliberately

like huh huh you didn't say it in the

way I wanted to I genuinely can't

understand it

genuinely cannot

so I just we should probably never speak

this can come on voluntarily of course

if they would like to get paid we would

of course pay them if there was like a

guest fee or anything but we don't pay

guests uh we are not interested we're

not interested in having a guest on

specifically to to make money I don't

think that that would be weird I think

that makes sense that makes sense yeah

but but yeah March March gets one-third

of the entire revenue generated at the

moment uh from from uh uh the the fear

and podcast operation which you can go

and subscribe to at patreon.com for your

end listen every what the fuck he's

advertising the system that you not good

Optics us on in the middle of the debate

about him being a grifter

he's at he's plugging his shit brah you

mentioned in which you apply

your socialist values too but you are

making money Jen I appreciation you're

deploying a conception of jabber that

josephian academics themselves have

deconstructed

money from these systems and that's fine

if Mars evaded a song

someone's getting bad probably both of

them from twitch and a song will get

banned for platforming Mar

and Mar would be banned for

I will probably get banned from like

YouTube too because the YouTube mods

would see that debate on Twitch and be

like you know what

preemptively Banning this guy too he's

not alone Mara would probably get banned

from Rumble

but he would destroy Hassan but at what

cost

that's okay but the end Rumble would

Aerials that I think should be more

consistent in are the ones where you

take a percentage of your wealth now

listen this argument that your chat

gives or you give or your loyalists give

of all Mar vs Stannis would be such an

ugly debate I don't even want to post it

I'm too scared to host that on Rumble

did we do that I'm gonna ask more I'll

ask him

he can debate Stannis

because they're the Polar Opposites it's

like Mars one of the most I says like

virtuous

traditional people

in the community versus

the epitome of the decay of man

so I don't know

that should even happen

so thank you so much larwood get banned

from the DMV

Social Security broke on the streets

that example in itself has to be the

most delusional extreme example why come

back explain what you mean I'm a little

slow I'm a dumb guy I I need you to I

need you to break it down for me a

little bit I'm serious

okay I just gave you I just gave you an

example of where I do this and I want

you to to to explain what you mean

what I mean is

do you not preach

a society where Health Care is free a

society where education is not as

backwards it is as it is in America

today right these systems in my opinion

you are in a position where if you truly

believe that implementing these systems

are a real thing you are in a position

to do something that matches what you

say otherwise you're just selling false

hope in a business model fashion which

is capitalism right in a nutshell to

make the money that's easy to do but you

are in a position to do more do you

understand me do you want me to open

trainer X is right

open up a hospital because he is in a

position to do more I think you're no

you don't have to do a hospital son why

are you just fucking not attack Jimmy

Dore first of all don't attack Jimmy

Dore for the forced to vote shit second

of all join in on the force of oh shit

you could make a difference for fucking

free healthcare in this country with

your fucking platform you don't but not

add insult injury not only do you not do

anything like that you go and fucking

attack Jimmy

like attacking him for it for it for

trying the fuck was that and look look

what else he does dude

doesn't he attack Mr Beast

he's like oh Mr Beast is like

exploitative because he's like shut up

you fucking do it then

it's not about not only does he not do

this shit he also attacks people who do

it which is such fucking like

insult to injury you know talk about

insult to injury pick up a hospital what

is it about give me give me specific

examples of what I can do so I can uh

tell you if it's like feasible or not

okay so for example okay I know a lot of

uh your uh vocal minority Community

argue that the mental health care

program is a charity right but that

program

the part of the charity that it is is

just I know I'm gonna nuke my viewers

I'm gonna be like back in one minute yes

sir

I'm back

I'm back supposed to be a second

the part in America if we were to

implement that program right taxes would

pay for the program in this situation

absolutely real quick real quick in this

situation which so yeah it's not really

a charity I get what he's saying it's

like it's it's a it is a kind of

policy making

uh Paradigm of some kind I get what he's

saying it does make sense you know we

don't have that luxury right of having a

tax system to draw a lot of money from

uh the people so what's replacing it is

the charity aspect to confuse that the

system itself as a charity is in it's

not comparable to to the excuse of not

doing it this are you are you asking me

to provide everyone in my community so

he's he's giving a model that can be

replicated which

hey but I think the overall point is it

benefits the political cause for that to

be implemented

right it's it's a good

substantiation

of the policy proposal

so overall what train wrecks is trying

to say is

why are you not contributing to the

substantiation of the policy proposal in

some way it doesn't even have to be in a

replicating it systemically it could

also be like you know

using her resources

or political strategy purposes uh no one

ever brings up this argument

Community Healthcare I'm asking you to

follow like like mobilizing your viewers

in a political way

to you know be an alternative to the

Democrats or the Republicans and

actually mobilize them you know

politically so through with what you say

so to create

the system create education as well

right you could create a system in which

you put a percentage aside that you

believe the rich should put aside in

America and you implement that on a

small scale to show that listen guys

this works if we can do it so can

America if you can't even do it yourself

so you want me to set up like a 501c3

specifically to like pay the hospital

bills of every single member in the

community why not

you know I think that will go a long way

what do you guys think

you need that piece of Communism is it a

real thing

uh it's a real idea it's a real strategy

it's a real and it's a real proposal for

a strategy

not being implemented quite yet

if it's definitely a slogan

that is about a strategy that we are

going to pursue this year

no no no it's about creating a system

you understand ignore the actual payment

of It's A system that reflects what you

preach and delivers it to people who do

not have the financial means to get what

you believe they have a right to get do

you understand that's what it's about

that's what that's what implementing

that's what the actions of the words

means when you sit there and you preach

what you preach on a daily basis and

make millions from it right and that's

okay to make millions for me and it's

okay but train but there needs to be an

implementation you understand I'm not

the government right like well that's

not the point because the government's

just going to be fucking increasing

taxes anyway

so he's talking about how does this

affect the average person

claimed the uh proportional or the

comparison between what would be right

in this situation you criticism and

through your own donation you would you

would be virtually the tax system that

would pay for it in a governmental form

right okay like that's what you're

describing you're taking the long way to

describe is literally first of all

charity for the record

um

or taxes on the other hand Insurance the

train is giving you more than

but he's given you an example of how to

fucking actually

use your resources to make it more

politically attractive

right that's what it's about

axes passing the policy

two different ways don't use your

resources to

contribute to any movement or any any

change at all that's the point

funding I just you know some form of

health care or a payment mechanism for

Health Care revolves around people

paying into a system and then getting it

back in the form of this is what he does

he Jibber jabbers to weasel his way out

of a plane spoken like trains trying to

say something that's pretty simple

he disguise no self-awareness he doesn't

fucking get it

he's pure gibber jabber you know

adequate health care right

um Train's winning this by the way this

is how it works so

um it wasn't obvious to you

it's obvious to me my you and I are in

agreement I think uh as far as how the

government should operate this right I I

think you believe in free healthcare

right I think I do yes okay so I believe

Healthcare is the right right so the

actual education our education system is

completely backwards I believe we should

be encouraging students to go to school

we should be encouraging students I

believe the new Baseline should be

College this idea where we're pushing

that college is unnecessary you can't

apply this or that I think is ridiculous

but I do think that's interesting

stems from I want to hear what he has to

say why he thinks that because I think I

disagree I think

trade schools where it's at and I think

I think most I think uh most of what you

should need to learn could be crammed

into an actual effective four-year high

school education

and that college is a waste of time but

I'm

really interested to hear his

perspective because

it's not often a a guy who's not totally

blue pilled will defend college so I'm

curious what he has to say actually

earnestly you know our backwards

Financial uh

how can I how can I do what you're

describing without building a hospital

or building a 501c3

[Applause]

we could help out people in your

community who might be struggling to pay

medical bills

because trade helps people in his

community with the mental health stuff

I just explained right for example the

program I have right it's easy to

compare the things oh it's a charity no

no the charity part of it is replacing

the the tax system in which the

government would pay for that system

since we don't have that tax system

taking a percentage of what you make

Like You Preach should happen for the

rich right and putting it into that

system right so you what you make a

percentage of what you make going into

that system would be replicating

what the government has for taxes right

we'd be rep we'd be taking it out of our

pockets monthly right for each

respective Community across twitch

across YouTube across Kik across

wherever yeah you're saying you wanna

you wanna start if I'm not

misunderstanding you want to start like

a like a health care structure or twitch

Watchers that us twitch streamers put

together yes yes twitch streamers we put

together a healthcare structure okay

um is that is that that's not no it's

not it's just but it doesn't have to be

Hassan it's at least something

do something

you fucking lazy fuck

do something besides sit on your ass and

complain

is that so much to say

do something

you don't gotta be everything could it

but it can be something

right

right even has Even Adam to here himself

in the flesh Harry

Aldean Hayes Aldean even Haze Aldean

when he was at 100 viewers said let's

take the cpusa

you know uh

even Haze Aldean I mean

even I'm doing all this shit with merch

I mean merch is not an example

I'm doing shit with this org that's

being launched

Hazel Dean yeah the money I make

goes into uh paying my bills

paying for the streaming equipment

and then uh

admittedly when I'm traveling you know a

plane ticket

I don't drive a lot like I'm not going

on vacations all the time

when I do

it's to a place where I don't have to

pay any like

uh rent or I don't have to pay any like

uh what are they called

these it's not like an Airbnb

but at the plane ticket yeah but I'm not

the only reason I went

was because my dad wanted me to go with

him for a weekend

I want to spend time with my father

that was it you know

so that's that's what I do

uh it's not like I'm out here buying all

these clothes and I don't have drew

jewelry like

you know I I had that necklace

which

was actually like less than a hundred

dollars

remember when I told you guys my

necklace was like yo look I'm yeah

um

and then this outfit I'm wearing is like

thirty dollars

so

yeah so uh

you know

you know but I do you know what I do

spend a fuck ton of money on

streaming shit

almost wastefully like this camera is

like

twenty four hundred dollars for this

fucking camera

it's a lot

that's a lot man

that's a lot

that's a lot

that's a lot

but it is nice it's not socialism

it is nice it's a good idea

Distributing the wealth of the rich into

systems that give Health Care to the

poor

is exactly the values of socialism is it

not yes you're right but by your logic

then you know

uh Charities would be considered

socialism but it's not as I'm also

considering something

and I'm going to test it but there's

this company that reached out to me and

they're like we will produce

every day of the month

like content we're gonna like shorts

uh videos we'll do we'll do them at the

optimal time thumbnails everything

for 300 a month

and it's month to month and I'm thinking

of trying that out

like especially the shorts maybe you

know

I think that's worth it

but I'm gonna I'm gonna like you know

can I get a sample to see what kind of

work you do and how you edit it if it's

in line with my style

send them yeah I'll send them to you

Jackson especially if they're legit and

they like

they uh turn out to be effective and

stuff

I'll send them your way

but yeah I say easy

investment

300 it's like it's a lot right

but the payoff in terms of growth

because growth is what Matt like if I

could spend five thousand dollars right

now

to get 10 000 new YouTube subscribers

easy I would do it

wait would I

I don't know

like actual viewers like actually like

I'm I'm a high investor like to me I

don't think in this I don't care in the

short term like everything for the long

term

brand I'm a brand capitalist like I want

the infrared brand to grow

you know it's not about hoarding money

to me money is just part of the brand

that's that's why I'm the Walt Disney of

socialism I'm the Walt Disney of uh

communism I'm just like Walt Disney I

care about the brand I don't really care

only about the money

money is just a part of the ride there

not the end goal the brand is the end

goal

no no and also the Charities Charities

eradicated the existence of these

problems if Charities eradicated the

existence of these problems then in the

United States of America is one of the

most charitable uh countries on the

planet uh we would literally not have a

single person uh die because they can't

get their their diabetes medication like

if I get paid ten thousand to have one

month of very high performing

like one million or 100

000 viewer videos

it's not possible obviously like but

yeah I would

you know

I care about the success of the channel

also money inflation it's like you have

to put it to work

you're not putting your money to work

it's gonna it's gonna lose its value no

matter what education which is why you

have to I'm gonna I'm gonna give those

guys a chance he's like 300 and they

just make they edit shit they Churn it

out they Churn it out again I'll give

him a chance I don't know I want to give

him a 300 but I'll be like I'll pay

let's say I pay you 20. give me one

edited thing

and let me see how you do it and if I

like it then I'll consider that advocate

for the government as I do all the time

not only put pressure on uh

congresspersons but like literally

directly talk to them from time to time

as well

um and and utilize food and Healthcare

is easily the most important you're

right it's my community to go vote let

me ask it away this is this is so I am

technically trying to do that in a in a

grander scale it's unfortunately very

difficult to accomplish so let me ask

you this if the Socialists themselves

cannot find a way to distribute a

percentage of his wealth who do you

expect to do it the fucking capital is

sitting at the top

no it needs to start somewhere right

yeah we can't do it on this level what

how are you expecting a country of 335

million to implement it on that scale we

need to find a way to proportionately

scale it within our business models

whether it's the charity aspect

replacing or replicating the tax system

you understand like the action you do

realize countries have socialized

Healthcare right like the UK has the NHS

system so like

literally just pointing to that should

be able to have a wake-up moment for the

the minds of millions of Americans

um but it still hasn't worked so

technically what you're saying is well

intentioned and I love that you're

saying this

but uh it demonstrably doesn't work I

point to actively working socialized

Healthcare structures on a daily basis

and yet I have not been able to

individually at least move the needle on

getting Americans to to get on board

with Medicare for all neither did Bernie

Sanders again unfortunately

okay well good to disagree on that and

next topic yes yeah

I mean yeah wait what I don't know what

the disagreement there is though I gave

you an example of a of socialized

Healthcare working in a larger system

okay and pointing to that and yet that

still doesn't get Americans on board in

certain instances but the reality is

even if all Americans were on board okay

even if every single American like the

abortion ban for example were on board

75 percent of Americans thought abortion

should be protected and yet the Supreme

Court decided against it why because

that's just how it is when the rich and

Powerful get together and build billions

of dollars worth

the rich and Powerful are overwhelmingly

for abortion

it's the Evangelical poor people that

are against it you fucking dumbass

what an idiot Earth of uh dark money

funded super Pacs and a lot of money

what about all the dude dude the money

that goes into the fucking

fucking is

blows it out of the water whatever's the

conservatives are getting

how do you not fucking know that

literally do the math

in groups oh dark honey dark money dark

money shut up

they get their way regardless of what

the uh what the the I'd love to debate

Hassan

I win guys I gotta pee can I piss of

course I get piss

horse like this anyone who leaves while

I go take a piss

you are a weak person

you're a weak person I'm gonna go piss

everyone's so impatient

everyone's zombie talking back and

everyone pretends

oh my look at all the hundreds of people

who left

oh my

uh Americans think or feel and the same

goes for healthcare as well which is a

multi-billion dollar industry with a lot

of people making money that you and I

would you know would look at it Go holy

shit that is a lot more money than we

make that is the unfortunate reality

here that's what we're going up against

so pointing to an example of like a

charity individually working within my

community or within twitch okay that's a

very nice thing to do

that we can talk more

there's nothing wrong with Charity what

he says though is that I I I I he says

that inherently that's not the the

socialism that he's supposed to uphold

like you think he is when he is

so the social music

labor he his socialism that he pushes or

whatever the socialism that requires him

to give no of no percentages money and

only requires them to preach is the

Socialists a decent amount of taxes in

California but that's not uh that but I

don't consider that to be social legally

in Keynesian economics that's that's

wealth distribution and I think that's

adequate and I think that's apt I wish

that you know billions of it wasn't used

on fucking finding new and creative ways

to like blow uh Brown children and

fucking school buses in Yemen but

all right

is so confused he's like dude you are so

off topic unfortunately that is what our

American government has decided to spend

it on that is an unfortunate byproduct

of living here but even the the meager

amount of that that goes back into

funding the roads funding the school

system uh I'm I'm happy with and I'm

comfortable with and I and I talk about

it during tax season all the fucking

time but if you think that like charity

is socialism then you know there is a I

didn't he's not saying that Hassan

he's saying it's a way to substantiate

the socialistic policy

it's a way to give it more credibility

these are showing how it can be unlike

and that's how you get it done you'd be

able to say that

damn it's simple

so much Jibber Jabber say charity of

socialism I was referring to a system

that we create as a streamer and the

charity aspect right which reprides that

system would be the way we replicate the

tax system right within America the

government has a taxes so much nowhere

there's almost linking level of

symbolism

yeah

so weird

how much they would funnel their money

into programs for the people who can't

afford it right it would give people

Access to Health Care it would cover

certain educational costs to push

education through what I'm saying is we

create a system and since we do not have

the tax system you just stopping the

word charity for a system by the way

like that's what you're doing which is

fine again

right it's about creating the system

right and the charity would be the pool

of money used to a a fund that's the

system that gives Health Care to your

community to show that it works What You

Preach works

I have a fucking Mouse where it's like

there's all these buttons on it and I

just clicked the wrong one

fuck's sake I have look how far back I

am where was I you guys know where I was

thank you voidburn oh my God

uh Charities would be considered

socialism but it's not no no and also in

Charities Charities eradicated the

existence of these problems if Charities

eradicated the existence of these

problems 23 40. okay thank you man

what a legend he got it the preach is

the Social Club

indecent amount of taxes in California

but that's not uh that but I don't

consider that to be social

economics that's that's wealth

distribution and I think that's adequate

new and creative ways to like blow what

our uh American government has decided

to spend it on 26-13 all right thank you

Jennifer

sounds more right

let me build hospitals we're going to

build rural hospitals which is a major

problem as well I think voidburn thank

you so much

America

and we're going to make sure that

everyone can get health care uh free

for free when they go into a hospital

that would be that would be socialized

medicine it would not be socialism it

would be a form of socialization right

so couldn't you implement What You

Preach into a system like thank you so

much Thomas appreciate you

thank you so much man that for your

community to have access to things that

they don't have access to because of

their financial means right because of

their financial situations that's what

I'm asking it's easy to preach I think

that is is a doable certainly

um and uh that is it's not impossible

the problem in that situation would be

that it would require

be dropping everything I normally do and

basically learn an entirely new set of

skills it would not be wait train wrecks

can do it so why can't you do something

like what he does

system it would again just be a charity

that a 501c3 that I would have to set up

and I unfortunately am a dumbass who

doesn't know anything setting up a 501c3

which is why I usually just like you did

uh work with other 501c3s that are

pre-existing in this regard but again I

have uh uh I have raised and also funded

uh more than uh half a million dollars

last year which is a marginal amount in

comparison to how charitable you are

you're a very charitable person

um and this year so far almost like two

million if I'm not mistaken to various

different causes I don't think that that

is socialism I just want to make that

clear I don't think that that's

socialism I do it because I think it's

the right thing to do I'm a very

fortunate person and I think the

capacity to be able to give back is a

good thing that's why I do it

um but even by that metric of like if

you think that building these sorts of

systems is socialism then I guess I'm a

relatively socialist person I I think

it's a right for each individual right

it's a value within themselves right so

if you're making x and x x and x amount

of dollars I believe because of the

fortunate situation both of both you and

I are in I do believe in higher taxes

for us I do believe in both of us taking

a percentage of our wealth and putting

it into systems right that can

distribute it to people and give them

the Baseline what I believe to be a

right which is met it right uh Health

Care education systems that pay for

their schooling and based on let's say a

hard-working students or whatever the

hell that GPA whatever you want to

measure that by right that's what I

believe so what I'm saying is I do think

ignore the charity asset I'm referring

to the systems the charity is just the

funding pool in this comparison right I

believe we should not just talk it we

should act on it right so we should take

a percentage of our wealth whether it's

20 30 10 whatever it may be and put it

towards systems that give what we

believe to be a right to the people that

don't have access to these things that I

believe should be a right right I think

the system you're describing is is a

501c3 though right like that's in this

position the 501c3 would be provided and

all you would have to do right so let's

let's hypothetically say for this Mental

Health Care Program right

wouldn't you say if you don't want to

create that that this isn't this is this

is it's right there right it's a system

you believe in for your community right

yeah yeah so why again

I'm just I'm just here Hassan doesn't

doesn't

even though he thinks his things are

good and he wants to be he wants to do

those things and sometimes he hasn't or

maybe he will in the future he still

doesn't view that as a fundamental

socialism wait first of all I do those

things let's be let's make it clear I I

think I do a decent job at doing those

things yeah but I I still think he

doesn't do that as as the the

fundamentals of socialism that's not

what he preaches yes therefore he's not

I actually understood what he said he

said okay he's pretty intelligible yeah

this is being too harsh like you've

gotten him on the yo dude even donated

this much

Islam doesn't feel like it like like you

got him uh not do what he preaches when

this is not what he preaches in in that

regard to socialism that's that's what

he feels like so you're picking and

choosing what aspects of socialism uh

apply based on what you have to act on

what you don't I'm confused

what parts of socialism we want to

preach and and those are dependent on

what which one's actually require you to

distribute a percentage of your wealth

into systems that distribute it to uh uh

the people that are less it just it's it

seems like we're cherry picking what we

have to act on and what we don't it just

seems very convenient to me I I think

I I think that the the fundamental

disagreement here is that um you know

charitable donations is socialism is

like kind of your perspective here uh I

don't want to put words in your mouth

you can correct me but that's all I've

heard from you as far as like maybe you

don't say charitable donations you say

systems but that's kind of what you're

talking about and that is fundamentally

not true which is in line it's still

fine though you're right I think it's

it's a good thing to again uphold

charity and try to do your very best to

help others who are less fortunate but

if you're asking me as someone who like

at least describes the concept what

socialism is that is not true what

you're describing is just fundamentally

just the 501c I I feel like it was a

disconnect for you and probably with

others as well and what I'm referring to

okay

and and all the only reason okay let's

take my mental health care program as an

example of this since it's the only

thing I can uh show you in this regard

that's that's on Twitch that that can

help you understand this okay

so ignore the charity aspect of what's

going on there okay that's there the

reason I had to work with them is

because obviously as a streamer right we

don't pay some sort of streamer tax

within twitch where we can funnel that

money and put it towards systems we

believe in right so ignore the charity

aspect instead compare it in this system

right when I say system I'm referring to

the system where I take a percentage of

my wealth monthly put it into let's say

a a pot and from there access is given

to viewers in my community that do not

have access to mental health care right

the that's that that charity is only

replicating what the US government it

it's proportionally replicating right

your U.S government has foreign

donations versus taxes right and you're

right what the only way that we right

proportionately you're describing a

charity when you when you keep bro

Hassan is just like President Sunday

where it's like he's just hung up on the

term not the substance

it's like oh you can call it whatever

the fuck you want but train is trying to

say

that would be a proportionate example of

what

the systemic policy would be like that

the individual level for example

I don't know if I necessarily agree

that it's possible to individually

replicate a system

but that's besides the point because

Hassan is not responding to what he's

saying he's just kind of getting hung up

on semantics for no fucking reason

talking about terminology like that's

what train is trying to say like

who gives a fuck about the terminology

like respond to what he's saying you

know how would I respond to I would be

like

you know what I'm a fucking millionaire

why not I'll fucking do it just to prove

a point

you know

I would honestly struggle to be like uh

I I can't do it because because I'd be

like you know what

or maybe I could be like well I can't

sacrifice all my wealth for this if I

did this I'd have barely any left over

for myself

and it would therefore not be

proportional

because uh I would probably say

this if I was smart

I think I'm smart if I was a son this is

what I would say I would say

the amount of revenue generated by my

audience

in proportion to me

is fundamentally incomparable with the

amount of GDP

generated by America to the U.S

government

in taxes I'd be like it's not

proportional though because me to my 50

000 viewers is nothing like

the US government in relation to the

total GDP of the US economy

and I think that would be like a knock

it out of the park argument for Hassan

if he was smart

it's like it's actually not proportional

right

Hassan could be like that would set me

back in a way that it would not set the

government back

if it would I don't even know if it's

true or not I honestly don't I'm just

saying like

you know

or maybe train could just be okay we'll

just do it in a way that would be

proportional pretend you're the US

government Pretend This is the amount of

tax revenue again and even if it's only

like a few thousand dollars a month or

something

still do it you know just to prove it

can be done

planning it though like that's the yes

it's a charity that you work with rad

right you work with just focusing on

this nitpicky stupid fucking details

it's fucking bad yeah right so I I I

guess this debate's not going anywhere

we might pick up on this tomorrow

it's 2 A.M I gotta wake up guys can't be

doing these late streams

oh man I'm fucking tired man

I'm so fucking tired you have no idea

all right guys

good stream

good stream

we left off at 32.49

I will see you guys

tomorrow

for an earlier stream

see you guys later great stream see you

later bye