INFRARED SHOWDOWN 7PM EST [2021-12-03]

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ok guys i have a lot of explaining to do i swear i have a lot of explaining because i will admit yesterday was not the moon right i should not have s i have not been streaming you heard the story right i got explaining you that's ok i'll explain everything everything will be explained

thank you to guys i've kind of been killing my streams you know i've kind of been killing my

streams streaming like three hours takn days off not the move understand it's not the move so we got to have a talk even though i've been streaming on ser i've been streaming on surcus to be fair like to be fair it says only three hours on my channel but in reality i'm'm doing it for like ten hours i'm on sircus

right so to be fair it's not that i've been not doing anything wods name was fourteen eight

i am not going to be gaming on screen until i get to like the spotify rap i'll show with you guys

i'll just show with you guys on stream it's interesting but what ob jakson i i i'm going to get a little bit more humble now because i realized i've done a lot to kind of kill my streams not going to lie i've been slacking so the days of seven hundred average viewers i have to work my way back up to that i

we're not there yet you know i can't have that expectation so i got to accept what i got you know i this is what it is i've been slacking there's no excuse and i'm going to tell you like you know i'm gomight give you some background about what happened but i'm a work my way back up you know i'm a work my way back i've just been thinking at you know i've been thinking a lot

and i'm going tell you what happened yesterday and it's going to make sense you know it's going to make sense to your parner the view ro the only person to blame for lower average views right we went from seven hundred average to like it says five hundred right but it's about five hundred right about five hundred it might

even less now you know it might be even less th know but the only person to blame for that is me that's the only person it's only me to blame what p gains you hore you doing brand how you do yeah i'm not going to i'm not going to be too anal about you no more

guys i got to realize i got to work my way back up to that golden era of seven hundred average you know yeah i'm i'm not going to worry about him as much you know not going to worry about im as much but what i was saying is what i was saying is with the bok was i say oh yeah yesterday why did i tay

yesterday off because if you look the dy two days in a row i stream for three hours for two days in a row not to be fair i was doing continen surcus so it's not like i was doing nothing you didn't see not none of me but still right it's kind of unforgivable then yesterday when i'm supposed to make up for that you know

i'm nowhere to be found so i'm going to explain to you and give you my excuse i'm going to give you my excuse my excuse right get the showdowns in an hour i wanted to scream earlier as much as i could because i want to talk there's a lot to talk about right that i want that we're reading there's so much news so much news and i'm let you all know something

after the showdown i'm still going to be streaming i wll be saming after the showdown right we're going to get in at least six at least six six hours i'm a still be streaming after the showdown don't worry about that but i think the showdown is going to be a long one today we have nine let me tell you guys something to be excited about

we have nine people for the showdown today

we don't have sultan so don't don't don't get your hopes up for sualltan that kind of sucks but we have a huge right wing and conservative showing today we have about four right wingers conservatives not bad right wingers we have four right so now it's going to actually be a debate it's actually going to be a showdown you understand

so that's good newsight so let me tell you all what though let me tell you all what actually i don't know cerc is doing a show today you might be doing a show today so i might be going on that int if you if you invites me but i have to go to the gym first but

i'm going to be streaming right at least still well on my right no matter what i do but anyway i'm going to let you all know something so i'm going to explain to what happened yesterday yesterday i was going to stream at six pm but i had food and i was eating my food and i was watching netflix and i sught you know i'm

put something on netflix really quick just to ea my food so i was soiling to netflix right and i find a movie that i've always been interested in don't talk about my funck and views guys you went over were over right i was flipping through netflix right and i found a movie and i

i was the i watch like ten minutes of it and i'll go live right and the movie was looper the movie looper andm telling you i was like you know what fuck and i'm finishing this movie and then i'm going to go live right and then i was still also feeling sick too i was feeling sick that day so i

watch looper i want to talk about looper a little bit because what a beautiful movie looper i love lo for right beautiful movie then i ended up it was like i finished it at like seven thirty or seven right and then i made a phone call with someone i called them because i thought i was

to make a really quick call and then the quick call turned into a long call it was like by the time i was i hung up it was like eleven or ten thirty so i was like fuck i got to cancel today stream you know it was just a long call on this board so my bad but

that's why i was'live yesterday and i was also sick b the sick and i got another story i got to tell you guys about thing that happened today some crazy shit that happened today right and needless to say i'm tell you all what

going to court is going to court going to court i'm going to court p i was going to court i was going to court i'm going to tell you all what this is going to be about what the origin story is the whole background

around the context and everything but let me tell you all what yeah i'm going to talk about the jasoning we have so much to talk about we have so much t about twitter new twitter rules purges we got a lot of shit talk about guys we've got a lot of shit

but first thing i i'm a go blow my nose

but i'm going to let you all know

going to court is going to court i'll ber back youre back

i tell you all what i'might tell you all the story tell you all the story you only got like an hour before the showdown starts i'm i tell you all the story so

remember when i streamed like a few weeks ago or a week ago and i was fuming mis and i was also extra radical holy shit thank you so much holy bk extra radical for money thank you so much dam thank you so much but

i'll tell you the story remember how i was i was sleep deprived it was actually this week i think i was sleep deprived because that my landlord or they sentd some some some repair crew or whatever the fog bards in my fucking apartment right remember i told you i was like and this is a source of my insomnia anxiety and all this kind of shit

so they barged in at like nine right and then i opened the door i was a yah got to come back i was trying to sleep right this ok will come back at three pm so ok margin in my fukan apartment it's illegal by the way so i tried calling the apartment and i didn't get no answer

right no answer nothing so i put a sign in front of my door i took it down now but i put a sign in front of my door saying do not enter under any circumstances do not enter do not enter under any circumstance right

do not enter under any circumstances i woke up today the sound of these mother fokers you know on my falcing door right on the sign so i

look up in my briefs i open the door i said you read the sign and then i said they open the door i said i don't give you permission to answer and it so we gave you a notice you don't give me a buck a notice

you gave me no notice you notice was a one month time span last month is december now bitch so i got to argument with this dude and this dude you want believe it right this dude goes listen so there was two people right one of the dudes was like this dude super aggressive let's go right

what well we'll just tell the property owner and they'll sort it out right do he said no i'm going in and he said i'm going to call the properties manager right now and one way or another i'm going in and i'm going to be i'm going to be doing the repair they're not going to repair they're trying to like conserve money on their end so they're not even repairing anything the're trying to conserve money on

so this mother fuker literally standing in front of my door with his equipment and he's just staring at me i'm a come in i'm a come in right one way or another i said ok good luck i'm standing by the door said i'm a call the property i said w call see it makes a difference if i'm going to let you in my fucking apartment see if it makes a lot fucking difference right this do is acting like you want to fight me now right this dos acting like you

wants to fight me now to come into my apartment you want a fucking bitch so god go he comes to me he goes be goe hey why don't you get a you should get a home you don't own this you should get a home sh get a home you don't own this fukr month for the exclusive use of this apartment that mean this is my shit so go you should get a home you should buy a home

you mother fok i pay rent every fuck a month for the shit wund to stand i couldn't believe that shit and by the way we a t foks who woke me up that insult the injury these are the mother foks who woke me up imagine waking up to this right so i'm staring by the door and i'm just staring

down eyes lock and he's telling me i'm coming in i'm coming in no matter what to keep saying that mo fok you go have to get through me first wt to stand so we're locking eyes and this you know it's a dominance thing right when youed stare people in the eyes so i can do this i'm looking at him like this i'm looking at him exactly like this

eventually this goo looks away i w you looked away looked off into the balcony i want by the way i want you looked away so he kept looking away from me because he's a pad and that's what happens he looked away from me

and i wan but he was still standing there right so the property manager came and he's like listen to this guy disrespect you i say yeah you dijsrespect me he goes they that we just contract that they don't actually work for us i sa ok i don't care and then he said look the thing they want to do only takes ten minutes can can we just do it can they just come in and do it i said hell no they can't this dude is persona n brought up i

he does not have any right any permission to falk and step in for of this apartment and i said i might have let you done it if not for the disrespect so thank him for that that i'm going to cause you this this expense or whatever this problem right so so he was like ok but listen it's in the lease agreement

as i don't care if it's in the lease agreement i know the law the law is this is the law in michigan right no matter what your tenant is entitled to the right of quiet enjoyment even if they're violating the lease agreement even if you avict them you still need the bailiff for the sheriff to come and evict them so until then you have the right to quiet enjoyment second you only have the right to enter

a property without the permission of the the tenants if there's an emergency under emergency circumstances of an emergency repair otherwise you have to give reasonable notice and they have to agree to it since it's not a repair right they're just trying to cut costs on their anden that is not my fucking problem right so i

understand the law in michigan and these people the m a students live here who don't know their fucking rights so these people are used to just barging in on people and getting away with it right because the people that live here probably don't even really live here they just stay here and they go live with their parents right actually live here i don't stay with my parents i live here year round

right so so yeah so ok this god sad all ight well our legal team is going to follow up with you and our property manager is going to follow up with you and we

i can't promise is going to be no consequences on a pot i'll take it to court i'm that petty i'm that fucking petty that i will fight this in court i will pay the legal fees and fight this in court please go court and defend your right to barga in to my apartment without any notice at all and without my permission go ahead and see how that stands in court

so ho was going to trial and guess what any other man would let this go any other man wman outk it's only ten minutes come in the apartment and i't get it i don't wantink i don't aned trouble not hos bil different you understand ps buil different ps have honor p have dignity before anything

you understand i'm paty all fok a fight a war over this i little court i golitle court you don't disrespect me and then come in my apartment that i pay rent for you don't disrespect me and then come into my shit you understand a man's house is like his girl you don't go inside my girl bitch understand

it's the same thing only i'm allowed to be in here you understand that it's the same principle it's the same principle this is my shit understand it is all my shit from paying rent to you you want to victi me you have to have a reason that i violated the terms

your lease has to be legal legally valid lease right a lot of people think oh just because you sign a lease means you have to follow the lease no leases can be illegal

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you can't just put anything you want in a lease you ca

put anything you want i was going to court simple as that simple as i'll go to court i'll fight this in court

i'm a stand up for the rights

are people living in this beitch

i'll be the one to do it nobody's done it before me i'll be

i'll be the hero as usual

but you all think it's a joke and i'm being serious with you i'm being one thousand per cent serious with you yp it's the second time and get this guys this is the this is the cherry on top of the absurdity right this is where ha's going to war this where ha's going to war a falkin sign in front of my door that said do not distarb under

any circumstance so if they wanted to come and so much as contact me you have to send me an e mail and has take i saw your sign that you don't want to be disturbed but we have to do this so one would be a good time they were so respectf they bg on my fucking door despite my sign i was going to war i was going to war

i was going to court i'm not letting this go i'm not letting this go i've banished them by the way i banished them from the premises i' banished these mother fogs from my premises yeah they left they all left and they said but he gave me like an ominous threat he was like well i can't promise there's going to be no consequ

quences i' up pix and also i'm an influencer not so i'll call the media i'll call channel seven i'll call fuck in local fox news i'm a famous influencer not they thought i was just some peasant some p his and who doesn't got no reach no i'm a famous guy scuse me you fuk with the wrong guy you

you just foke with the wrong guy first of a i'm a law student second of am fucking famous ive hundred average viewers minimum usually not every day but usually five hundred viewers minimum every day right

some days yesterday we get almost a thousand right because we're talking to destiny or whatever but is what it is and i'm only rising and the only reason i've kind of been lagging a little bit a litle tle bit because i've been slacking but as soon as i get back on my right soon as i get back on my ride

going up and guess what guys guess what i'm going to make myself a new year's resolution i want to be one k andy by february i want to be one k andy by february by february one k and that's my goal february one k and that's my goal that's my new five year

l february one k february fifteenth one can by february fifteenth i want to be one k so i'm going to have to do so i'm going to be held to my word do something iight take it's and that i might take this to the i'll contact the news i'll contact news i have contacts i actually do have contacts in media so i'll blow this

up and contact the news take it to court and publicize it and start a new conversation in michigan landlords disturbingly entering the premise you know we have a a crisis weere fa riss we're facing in this country and people are fed up

paying these fucking high ass rents and still being treated like slaves and serfs who don't have the right to quiet enjoyment in their fucking apartments right so i will publicize this i will spin this you understand

sid this is the rea song this is by my plays some my top songs of twenty twenty one this is my top song of twenty twenty one and i'm just running but it's actually fitting it's actually fitting because this is the this is a song of going to court this is a song is going to play while'm rolling up to court with a tuxedo repres

senate nobody but myself because guess what i going to u and we had enough the tenants of america had enough tenants of america had enough this mother phone come and tell me you ned to buy a house you ned to buy a house you know he's tunting me because the housing market nobody cad fuck and afford a house right now with this housing market and housing is not even fucking affordable right now for a reasonable price

you should buy a house you should buy a house not going to war now i was going to war i was going to war this might be the fire that kick star a tenant revolution in this country or at least in michigan while as in my city wunt to stand now my egoes into it you know now my ego is in the ring tell me

you should own a home w i look like asa if we're not a son we have no rights in america apparently if we're not asi we got no rights mother folk i pay reat you're not doing an emergency repair you just trying to cut coss on your read which i p the leaf you give me is my quiet enjoyment and my rest and sleep

i've never had a maintenance or a landlord do that shit mean it wouldn't fly if they tried to either goold just know your rights defend your rights know your rights defend your rights me but try to crack tell you what but this is why i live why i sleep

is the only thing that separates me from the snowy icy sild outside and i paid for it me when i'm petty wunderstand this was just the wrong

meeting point of destiny and faate but i'm a petty mother foker and i will contact channel four fox news i'll take this to court wondertand i'll take this to court i will pay the thousands of dollars legal fees and take this to court because i' that pt just trying to get in take and that guys imagine if i was a nobody

imagine if i was someing nobody imagine if i had no reach imagine if i had no audience imagine if i had no onane to speak to imagine if i had no one to tell the story to imagine if i wasn't the prominent figre that i am the buck role

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a lot of people pretend they don't know why i am but they know they know all the big streamers know who i am every big streamer know why am everybody knows who i am trust me trust me i wouldn't be surprised a ninja don't know why i wouldan't be surprised a ninja know why i am i want to be surprised is that's not on switch no more so i can't

their band apparently so i can't mention them but you know some doctors probably know why yeh yeah you got approached by a sex worker advocate at universal today on stream act and shocked and disturbed what are you going have to send me that clip you have to send me that

i know what you're talking about that the semidak i don't know what the fm we're talking about destiny's legal father and now paralegal

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tell you all what you know i've had a hell of a day i've had a hell of a day and other news s thatday

crazy shit been happening let me tell you all something really freaky something really freaky something really weird right so tweeter went on a purge and apparently tweeter purged thirty five hundred accounts that were pro china accounts on twitter so if you're going against the shinjong narrative the starting to ban you on twitter titter got a new c e o and apparently this dude's got a bone to pick

with china this new c e o so yeh they're starting to crack down but here's the thing this is really mysterious really weird yesterday i checked my followers and i was at six thousand one hundred ninety nine i like that a right i was i'm at least six thousand four hundred right at least sixty four

hundred something now i wake up in the morning and i thought it was because of that birth they bird the wanch a chinese box and i figured that's because a bunch of other people were talking about it too so i figurre that was the reason right i figured that was the reason but as it turns out

as it turns out i woke up this morning six thousand three hundred twenty nine followers so i got restored or it was a glitch or something but i got my followers back apparently or some of them back apparently so i don't know what's going on what where when and why i have no idea right i really got no idea

speculation speculateing right just trying to speculate a bit i would say i would say some fishy going on but guys let me tell you all what le me tell you all what i got i mean i got to move listen if you let you got see andd in common terms a countls

taken out winter does that winter randomly flocks accounts and then get this all these levties o all right bos ot yes thanks for hiding behind puk and corporate censorship you fuk pt like that's an accomplishment

thank he deleted his onw account i don't w people w wter do that all right he found out tter it deleted your account for no reason guys if you wake up one day this is actually kind of scary but it might happen if you wake up one day and my tweeter just gets plocked off the web y twitter

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it's it is what it is i can't do nothing about it you know what i'm saying

i can't do nothing about it show down timeank thank you great i appreciate you

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so guys tell you all what tell you all what i can do nothing about corporate censorship right but i've been thinking about something right why am i neglecting my streams so much guys want know why i'm neglecting my streams do you want to know why

the past like two three weeks i've been neglecting my streams

no it's not because i hate youll i'm going to explain this to you because i know

we all would like to believe that infrared the reason my channel has grown is because of hos is just such a great guy whatever right but it's not the reason it's not the reason infrared is what it is because of my other work that i do in private right my vision right whatever that is so i've been tending to that

more i've been i've been kind of guilty about one live because i'm like i think i have more to show these people right i feel like i want to like think more about

you tube videos and my writings right because i want to show you guys something more i don't want to just only stream i have more to give you right but i need to i need to organize that because i need like one day out of the week so there's probably two days out of the week that i need to take off thank you julius one day i

i need thank you i probably need one day for family isn't that's reasonable right i need one day for family and then i need one day to work on my other stuff and then the rest i can stream but because i haven't organized that i haven't been consistent right because i haven't been organized that

organizing that but there's probably two days out of the week i need to take off but i don't know you know maybe i can combine the family day and the other work day

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you guys need to realize i why aren't you live want you live twelve hours a lot of my ay guys is just spent mentally concentrating on i don't even know what to call it is it a theory is it a aesthetic is it a vision is it a belief is it a story whatever it is i spend a huge maybe it's a form of men

i don't know but huge amount of my day i spend reorienting my mind to focus right the focus on what i need to be doing understand so you need to understand i'm not i don't play video games i'm not digging around i'm not just doing nothing it's all for a reason

so you got me understand i'm a different type of which stream right it my goal is to be a full time streamer

and

by mid december or by december

by next week i want to be consistently doing a minimum of six hours every single day with one day off for family

that's what i'm trying to do starting next week that's what i want to start doing right but

we're going back to full time doing pus a full time eight hours why i don't believe in eight hour thdy i want to shore in the the work date set the example so you know there you go but minimum six i might do nine some days i might do more some days but i want to do minimum six right but what i've been trying to say is

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oh the type of streamer that i want to be right

a lot of twitch streamers are just streamers forever right but i want to keep uping my game see i believe in i'm a dialectical materialist reamer you know what that means it means i constantly want to have revolutions in the course of production purges structural reforms right revolution epocal ship

understand and there's been a few since we started but that's my goal you know i think i am a showman this is a show right i love sitting and reacting with you guys but there's only so many days that are out of the week that i just want to sit here and react to stuff guys

the type of content that i consume personally is like intensive big brainshit right but i want to what i want to do you guys is give you a show i want to give you something to specl i want to see you witness a debate witness a destruction witness an odyty i want every single stream to have a spark of uniqueness to it understand

i don't want to be ha son i don't want to be a song i just you know i want i want to i want to keep getting out of myself i want to keep escaping my own head i want to keep breaking out of the cage and keep uping my game farther and farther and farther you understand we're not

going to settle down we're settled on which a little bit but we still are nomdic mongol army that are that are our goal is to conquer guys our goal is to conquer have continual spectacular and brilliant conquests onderstand that we're here for

sinus know you're the bull do mean by neares

you are no mad it don't matter how much our army gets bein down right weumulate and we shrink that's fine the cor stays the core army stays as no mad understand let me tell you all something i'm going to give you the example this gam

the whole world but then the issue was when they started to settle down that's when the issue started do you want it dnasty collapse the ilki in erd collapsed why because the mongols only knew how to expand and conquer and he didn't know how to settle down we need to conquer both we need to learn how to do both

as you can see guys my eyes are not darken today sufficiently darken my eyes are not darken sufficiently today because i'm not in the right spiritual framework understand

how do we conquer both i' got a conquerable right it's my job but i have to focus on i have to focus on the videos to do you tube because the infrared vision video

guys you knowportant stuf need a producer not yet right not yet and guys i want to test the chat right now it's only been a day that i've gone doesn't it feel like i've been gone for a month doing i feel like i've been gone for a year i want to test the chat thank you mr sterm appreciate i want to t

chek what is our goal what our goal w we do this right now a with the short term strategic goal right now with theport what am i telling you all to do i am giving you a command i'm giving you a command i've given you a command one command so far what' your command thank you general what's your duty what's your duty

there you go it's about the c p usa and do not take your mind off the ball do not take your mind off the ball it's about the c p usa understand that's what the shit is about and that's the feedback mop that's going to make us who we are and build us up it's about the ca

we need to get in that c p s c pusa so i want to ask the chatter question and how many of ones if you join two if you haven't joined and i might take in call i might force you to get in

and explain why you haven't joined yet

w are all these troo party chairman t because it's far inal there isn't a local chapter near me then star one that's even better if there's no local chapter start one if you start a local chapter you barely need to infiltrate

anything that's your chapter now so start one i'm waiting for i move back to my state to start chapter so you can only keep waiting for so long better get to it better make the plan this is not a joke this is some serious shit guys this is what the infrared vision in americas about we need to take over the c p usa and turn it into the party of the

american working class third in the box the party of the builders of american civilization the american civilization build and we do we and i'm going to s i actually thought about this i do want to consult indigenous leaders tribal representatives of different tribes throughout amt united states and i want to sit down hear them out and talk to them

er that's my next goal my next goals to sit down and talk to indigenous leaders and tribal representatives they don't even have to be the biggest leaders i don't expect to have an audience with them but just some representatives that i could sit down and talk to and they can educate me right and i can share with them my view for american politics right

you start a local chapter you christion by the national me this runing forrect the're they're really hands off they probably are not going to be interfering all that much in a local chapter but you do kind of have to keep the infraret stuff on low key but you have way more freedom to be like you know

i don't have much of a choice on military are you're not allowed to join if you're in the military

our military not allowed to join

i don't know you can't no way no way no way no way you can military can't be in any political order well you can't be a member but you can be a participant you can still participate and like you know you can

there's no law that says you can't go to a book club you can't go to a meeting right talking about moving there to join chapter good but started yes started chapters good but it's probably an outdated policy

yeah i guess this is free speech american free speech i got i guess we have american free speech but there's also other things i want to talk about you goy i'm going to keep pushing you and guys reminding you guys about the cf usa every street right oh yeah one last thing

about december so guys so i have a laptop so we're all good but i'm just telling you no around december eighteenth or twentieth i don't know exactly what dy it's going to be i'm going to be in l a with circus i'm going to be in l a witherc and i'm going to actually be there for quite a while

t like a really long time i so we're talking like after until after new year's after new year's like that's it's going to be like weeks that i'm going to be away right and we're also might take a road trip to austin you also might take a road trip to austin we're going to stream as much of it as i can but i'm going to make a promise

you guys that i'm still going to do sit down streams and serious political like the circ streaming with cerc it's going to be a lot of fun it's going to be a whole lot of fun that we're going to have right but we also need to have some of the serious stuff in the debates to writ so i'm not neglecting those so it's not only going to be a vacation think of it as a as an adventure

right i'm going to be going on an adventure with cercle like a long journey like think of it like the hobbit where they have to go to where they go on the hobbit again they go to they have to want a long journey right that's what it's going to be like i'm going on a journey i can you guys come yes you can come but i don't want to detract too much from the serious aspect of the show so i'm giving

heads up that yeah it's like a spirit quit a hero'es journey yeat some like that right and yeah i'm looking forward to it obviously i'm looking forward to it but this may be the thing that changes the face of cas and establishes me

as an official which representative of celebrity streamer representative it's a quest for legitimacy undertand i'm goe on a quest for legitimacy to legitimize myself as a streamer understand ok finally i have to address the jason

haithi just make sure there's no us o look how stupid this is guy i was this was brought to my attention yeah we're just going to go ahead

so

so this is apparently the proof

that jason sharing

that

me and caleb i don't know how caleb has anything to do with this

are plotting to

accused jason of being a

groomer and that he was messaging thirteen year olds

so this is the screenshoted evidence that mr jason and ruj shared

this was yesterday right

um

so the channel is called has chak

called houss chak

this guy's name is stalinist groper

this person's name is catholic maoist

and this person's name is racist paul pott

so there's three people here

and every single one of them is literally like a stereotype stereotypical

infrared member right

this is what like outsiders think of us as like other

there their traditional

communists right and they're communists

that somehow are outside of the american left so they're gropers and there's catholic and there's

racist fallpot i

honestly i don't know what racist paul pot means i don't actually know what that means but m

we'll work with it for now right i don't actually know what that means

but

let's see this is so this is actually the welcome so you want to know the first

sign that this is made up

this is the welcom

a

the welcome whatever thing like when you when someone joins a server

you say wave high to them and you click high

but in our server

let's say we had a secret channel called haz chat

you would also need a secret role are secret roles possible

wen that's actuly good idea i might actually make some secret roles i they're possible

but this apparently is a hero of infrared because they're blue they got the colors right

um

so this would have to be a secret channel that's in our server called haws chat i don't know why it would be called haws chat

of all things

i have no idea why it would be called this

but when people join a server it doesn't actually notify

the channel so like how are you going towave high to the person joining if

you know what i mean

we don't have a we don't have a channel that's like

a new member just joined we have a box that gives people the memborrole after like ten minutes of joining

and this is what they're saying ok so i've been working on those screenshots of jason messaging a thirteen year old fan el ma o

oz is gonna love this shit ele mayo

jason's career is gonn to be over can't stand in elem ao

anarcho child loverism

oz is going to have a lot of this

his guys boost the tweet

i've been demning him on twitter about it

l m f a o all right back

yeah broth this is legit

i mean

i feel like you wouldn't even have to explain to a fifteen year old

that this is like

clearly

like this is the fakest shit i've ever seen

you know what i mean

this is like they don't even try they're not even trying to make this look convincing

like this is clearly

what someone who has the intention of

making it seem like i'm plotting against them would say

rather than someone who's actually like plotting against jason like

this is they're clearly saying shit

that reflects the intention of someone to like

fake a scenario is like an n p c dialogue you know what i mean

this is like straight out of a fucking n p c dialogue of people like

trying to create a scenario that's like this

this look a good natural conversation to you

this is clearly staged and rehearsed

i mean imagine being right

imagine the fact

i waste so much energy arguing when i'm self evidently correct but

imagine arguing

about something i'm just right about

you guys get what i'm saying when when i'm saying that like

imagine me having to like defend myself here

right

aren't i just riight

aren't i just correct

aren't i jason aren't i just correct here like

isn't this clearly faked why am i even arguing this right why do i even have to make the case

so jason said

someone told me there was going to do it and now here's the prof

do you like forty years old

and you believe this shit you're literally an embarrassment

and i actually got pissed when i saw this because i was like

at this point

you're deliberately lying to say face after your recent fallout

leave me out of your sickle internet world and you and your friends are mentally ill nalers

and i the reason i said this is because

it actually does sicken me

to be honest it does sicken me because i know where this is coming from i know the people that are doing this

i've been deemned myself the people that are doing this and lo and behold

they come from the nihilist pedal website

right

they come from that website member the website that

mass reported me

a

and ended up getting me banned because i covered a documentary about palestine

they're the ones doing it right

and these are really dark sick just mentally twisted deranged evil people right

and if you saw their faces

in real life

you could see the face of lyca

twisted ors you would just see these like

really derange dementic and you would see these like these people that don't even look human they wouldn't even look human to you right there that falked up

they're both walked up

and how they look and how they act

and to be honest this is dark

this is like dark

but

here's my question is like

since when did the left become like this

right

this is how you know the left really is evil

you know usually you'd think it's like this is like some

order of nine angels adam wfin type of dark shit like that's involving

thirteen year olds in crimes all this crazy shit

and like mass shooters and stuff

but if you go on that pedal website

m

i'm calling it a pedal website because

de

they've circulated that sit on that website before

right

and they've they've they've actually tried to do it in our read it too

right

if you go on that leftist website

which you should never do by the way you should never do

oh

you will see people that you would expect to like be involved in mass shootings

and really

dark just evil

t i he just really sick shit

you know

it comes from a chan you know achan the place that's even worse

then focking for chan

that's where these people come from

so yeah we are talking about people involved in crimes

we are talking about people involved in very sick

he generated disgusting n holistics

stuff

they've been they've been doing a lot of really sick shit

you know

these people don't have souls

and there's not an ounce of humanity in them these are the people that have been left behind

and condemned by humanity as a whole

and i'm not a censorship guy

but i do want the government to crack down on these fucking pedals

i wish what i want is for the big tech platforms

the have free speech

but for the government to crack down on these fuckants

disgusting pedal websites and just get them off the internet

that's really what i want

the see

if we had a working people's government we wouldn't tolerate these degenerate fucking

sic disgusting

nehlistic fuckon websites you know with these scum bags

these disgusting sick twisted

bucket scumbags that have rape fantasies

that have murder fantasies you should see the shit that's been sent to me before

these are the most sick depraved

fucked up people you could imagine

and they have no limits by the way children are not a limit infants not a limit

nothing is a limit everything goes

there's absolutely zero zero

line of humanity you don't cross

right

and these are the people that jason on rujue i know fellow traveler and there's others

they're actually in that community

which is something i found out too

both of these people are in that community

you ever watch twin peaks and you just see the scumbags

that are like

the scum bags the the lowest of the low social scum

we're just in the background

doing all this like dark evil shit like

theyre rapists and all these scumbag type of people like in that show

that's what these people represent on the internet

and the fact that jason is entangled with them and he's a public face

wow what a fuck in scobat

yeah you know what jason is

if you've watch twin peaks

jason

is the ws how do you pronounce it jackuise is jackuise

he's the jacquesse the fat guy who owns the bar

that's who jason is in the story

right

me i feel like i'm

i'm like h

i feel like 'm

i'm a inspector gordon

i'm the date i'm david i'm inspector gordon

jackson's jackson is dale cooper

and

no i'm the one armed man i'm the one armed man

i'm the one armed man

and czirca is inspector gordon

and jackson is dale cooper

right and that's what's going on here

and i'm the one armed man just trying to warn people no one understands me quite well

but i am definitely the one arur men

oh jock yes jock

jason is one thousand percent job

and then fellow traveller is fucking who's fellow traveler

esa

what would i say

he is

he's sorry we're about to start the show down

but he's them

who's that other scumbag

he's ah he's bobby

bobby yeah bobby no no

fellow travelers bobby

and then bob

where the fuck is bob

i want to seve vaosh but

i don't know bob is fucking

no bobin's tank

tank is bob

no bob his tank he's like the worst one

bob is definitely tank one thousand percent tank

one thousand percent bob is tain

that's one trillion percent

one thousand trillion percent

ok we're going to start the showdown

um

hey guys we're going to run an introl

showedown's going to start we're starting the showdown

and guys this one's going to be

this one's going to be one to remember

you understand

this one's going to be one to remember

oy

so without any further ado

get ready for the showdown strap in

tonight

it's going to get ugly

white white

prety ge

hold on uh just to be clear uh pen and uh word you guys aren't ban on twitch are you

oll ok just make sure

tty ge

right

welcome brod today we have on some new faces some familiar faces but what i can guarantee to you

contrast to the last one is go this one is going to begly this word is going to be in a video gam we have on a diverse side of ideological and political fel now the en forerag showed our

is pure understill bood sports for the masses but it's also a way to platform counter mainstream media narratives and let the self profmed fighters of the establishedmentan it if you are interested

in coming on the infra red tod on yourself remember to the in fro cause on wethter and we will see if you have what it takes i will see you on the other side because

the showdown must

everybody kved everybody eved

and pst to came up

you are now going to begin

all right we will begin with our introduction starting with for the first time entering the showdwn everybody give it up for a

oory if i go but hello sorry what is it

ic likeic

okay yeah

so

the question is

how are you feeling today

i'm feeling

very

resolute

and are you confident you will triumph

against every single contender here as the soul

champion

of the showdwn

i mean

it's between me and dario i can't i can't say i mean he has the advantage of

being here four times

wow

bting words

from the

no

champion

now tell us where do you lie on the political spectrum

i am an an caat litertarian

believe that

not to be confused with an caap

all you have to do to be an and cat is

not want people to die in the street because they don't have enough money to live

i see so does this place you on the left or side or the right side youor side

the not ustified is the left

jersy

i see

i see

and

you know that dario may be your friend

what

in this show do'n eat him

i is your enemy in his flesh if i have to there will only be one victor of the showdown

this must be kept in mind

oh fine alright

uh nice to know you dario

i hope you had a good stay in new york while while you go

for howver

couple months you were here

but ya

thank you for having me and also you'll regret it and goodbye

no

whend it

he was here last time give it up

bor the grand architect and archaeologist of the bosnian pyramids

that he actually part

now you actually have discovered these bosnian per pyramids firstthand

yes

yes

they're ancient serbian artefacts

from ten thousand years ago

for stabilization

and you you have made the claim that

that according to

you

those who are talking about land back are wrong because actually

all of america is serbian

territories

yes

precisely yes

i see you read my work

yes yes i'm i'm a i'm quite a fan of this

now so just to be clear the

is there any piece of land on on planet earth that doesn't belong to serbia or

h yeah it's britain

you don't want britain

no

ok i see

it's a coincidence that is there unfortunate

but the will fix that

i see i see

um

well where do you lie on the political spectrum

while i'm a communist i'm a communist of from a trotskys tradition from a yugoslav background

and i've come here to destroy everybody in this boystrip

we have dio here who's also from bosnia so we'll have some balkan wars here as well

oh is that it

the last time the stream ended right the showdown ended

because

has couldn't show what i did to my enemies

right because he would be a band

yeah that's correct i had to delete the stream and end it all because

unfortunate i'm sorry

he had to be coached that his it's too brutal

so

ah

you're basically telling everyone in this call

that you have made an enemy of them

and that they will be conquered by you specific

yes

no liberated liberated

liberated i see

i see

one moment

ok wow fascinating

all right now we're moving next to

i recurring guest

charmhole

so charm wle what makes you

are you going to break your streak of being the single handedly most annoying guest of the infrared showdown

absolutely not i'm going to be the most annoying guest

tonight

and every night that you have me because

you're going to remember me

everybody's goning to remember me

the world will remember charmhod

and and charmhole

is there anyone in here in particular that you have any words of of

words of warning for

going into the showdown

h

inko

i'm going to roll you like i did in halo

say enouph

oh no

yeah oka charm wll tell us again where you stand politically

i like to think that i'm an accelerationist

i

anarco gamer

which means i'm

looking tired

of all of the regular ass platitudes everybody's like oh is this good is this bad blah blah blah i don't care i want to speed run that shit i want to get it over with i want to get to the next

level

i want to evolve

i want to accelerate the process i want to get up and get moving

so is this a mental illness

is this

like this i don't know this abs we don't know we don't know

anyway moving on

two

a long time returning and fearsome opponent

and menace to the caste

how's it going

so dario i have just learned this you are actually bosnian

yes i a many things that you do not know has

on i thought you were just the guy in denmark

well actually well

my parents my parents fled to denmark because of the genocide in bosnia

so we are refugees

oh wow

so i grew i grew up in denmark but i lived like my first six years in a refugee camp

oh i did not know that interesting

so d youo

you are the resident liberal shill of the podcast

i don't know if i'm a liberal shill uh i guess ih my politics uh i i guess i'll take this a bit more seriously than i did the the other shows because it seems like charmhole is just

here for the lolls so i don't have to create the lolls content and

my politics and all seriousness i honestly don't know i'm all over the place ah

i guess the easiest way to just describe omy politics is that i think everybody

on the entire world should have

access to health care

education food

housing internet

and that's it

howeverill we do that i don't care

so you what you're basically saying is you lean more toward the left

yes i have been described as a communist socialist libertarian socialist all these things in denmark i vote for the communist party

and i've also done canvassing for them

as well

um i don't policy stuff

yeap

why i never would have expected it do you have any words of warning for the resident

bandit

will there be a balkan war in this vc tonight

wilson

when i last spoke to bandit he already conceded that serbia was wrong so we don't need to revisit that

i see i see

but there's a difference with wen you deny band its claims of

the bosnian pyramids as being

produced by serbian engineers thousands of years ago

honest i have no idea what he's smoking but i don't think it's cigarettes that a

we will just have to leave it at that give it up n o now we have a fearsome menace

almost one that may disturb the ecology of the call

a invasive species against which

others have slim chances

and a fan favorite

jackson ingo boslater

now jackson

tell us

have you gotten a whiff of blood

today

all i know is going to be no contest

i'm here to defend my honor and i

it's going to be easy i mean look at this cast this one person on the bottom left

can't even figure out their camera thisse are going to be easy y know that that is the prest mine what is going on with your camera this is absolutely unacceptable

restart

here we have pestomim the the incompetent

as usual

but anyways i'm looking forwar to this happy to be here and is going to be a good show

and where do you lie politically for those who don't already know you

i'm like ralph lauren marxist leninist

absolutely fascinating

now we are geting

into some murky waters

pesto mime

with the shiller institute a pestle what is that in the background

what is that

you remove that remove that i don't that i can't evencept that it's important for the kids

is i can't even see what's on it just remove it just remove

it says

ud andus

yet get rid of it i don't know what it is i can't see it it's just can you move it

mm

ok we're dealing with it

ya i i don't know what that is

ok i

i have torong vet them with me more stream

so pessto you are our resident

member of what is it the schiller institute

i'm a volunteer for the chill institute

tax reasons

we can't say that i'm a member

okay i see i see

where are you right now if you don't mind me asking

i'm at the la rouche saf house

the look there are the rouge say puse

can i tell you about a dream i had about larouche like weeks ago did you ready see it

oh

do you haved a dream about the rouche

yeah i swear it's like a

i never talked about it because

i like you guys a lot but it's like

can i tell you about it

that

yeah

so i've been having a lot of squid game related dreams and

this one was

one of them was that it was a bunch of students in an auditorium and larouche

i think it was him i don't know and a bunch of people dressed as the squid game

people came into the auditorium

locked it down

and he got up on the podium and he just started like

executing all students that he found annoying

and we're saying wrong things about history

we that's may be a little bit of a projection on your part a as a maoist

leave an open dialogue

no i know i know i really don't know why i had that dream

i just wanted to tell you because

i don't know all my dreams been about the rih but they've been positive dreams

i sybe we should check your sources

i again it's just a dream it wasn't my fault

what pestel tells us

this is the first time i've actually seen it you're actually que this

okay

you're actually quite a good looking gentleman yourself

i never expect you to look this presentable i always thought you

would look much creepier

no that's crazy

i'm beautiful on the inside and the outside

you you first came on the show talking about lysancois weed

it is true like sancho grew weed

it out on i phony

i see i see

so okay we have to get to the other guests but

tell us briefly where you lie politically

where where is that on the political spectrum or do you not do you believe it's an obsolete spectrum

on the political spectrum there's left and right and then people say there's up and down i'm above

ca

i' have assentded

past all of this

i'm not going to use the language but it's

it's nothing

i see all you guys you like complaining about left and right but you're not complaining about the real issues

the real issues

because you're all infected

a british mindset british science

and aristotle

that is the one thing i definitely am on one hundred percent in agreement with

as far as larouche and i mean that's i'm not even kidding lauche was actually a brilliant

thank

i've read some of his book he was very knowledgeable very expansive knowledge

and very brilliant

but that is one of the magazines

one of the points of agreement that i just

full wholeheartedly agree with

but

we will

move on to a newer

returning guests

or sorry a newer guest pub dot com ok a new guest

problematic

now pen tell us what is so problematic about you and make it within the us please

yeah it's actually to mislead my opponents i'm probably the least problematic person here

and i'd like to keep everyone off guard

you know that way

the predators out there like uh bandit and inkle they don't see me coming

wow so

you are actually one of the few right wingers

on the panel

yeah i mean you could consider me that uh

i'm more of a libertarian i

but yeah i've got some bizards tendencies because i'm going to blow the roof off of this panel so

oh god we have to in a video game but

yea anyway okay yea no video games um

did you are you a trump supporter

i'm not

mm

man

so i can i can pretend to be a look

it's your chajjaz if you need a trump support n it that's a twenty twenty four a't the veriar would you consider yourself a defender of trump

now

oh wow okay

well

at least you have a one to pick

with the left

yeah sure there are plenty of easy pickings on this call

would you agree

yeah for sure i mean uh

i've talked to wordy before made him

reconsider whether or not he's actually an anarchist so

uh we'll see i i'm ready i can't wait to see his intro see if he's here

um

but

i to be fair i'm just got to have a good time while i

walk my way to victory i think will be great

wow

oka good to see you

a

problematic pan everyone given give it a round of applause for our new guest

and next we have

not

two

me now wordy

in

five words or less how would you describe your tribal

political affiliation

a libertarian socialist and prim and brain and comm in my heart

unbelievable so you are not a right winger

no i'm

i likeh trans rates in health care so i'm just not going to be on that side

but pisto mind you liar

told us he was a right winger

what

o man i just picked up a bucket of people i didn't like sift through them where do you se

now wordy you have a history with pan it seems

yes we were on a debate a while back talking about vaccine mandates

and i basically had a good confrontation with him i had to think of thereugh a lot of things and i

i give em coniment commendation for that

but it just turned me into a better anarchist honestly made me think a lot more about my positions and i feel a lot more f

flushed out i'm ready for the gorilla tactics tonight i'm going to be pan and kick his ass

unbelievable

and no

so you believe you're going to take home the belt

tonight

whatever belt there is to take i'm pretty sure i can step over everybody if they yell louder i'll just go louder

unbelievable

now we have

the mighty african elephant

e two

yo yo yo it's me it's me i'm i'm a to the ethiopian negs of the show you know

i'm here to just step over everyone you know start to march g fian

sorry to all the uh people i i agree with but uh

this it

he is coming

to me sorry

so et to where do you lie politically for those

unfamiliar

i

i'm with stalin with the golden center

on all issues so you are true infrared

emmas ollthan

fun infrared guy i'm like

i'm the synthesis of everything

incredible and you are a ethiopian menjiust to

revis

ethiopia ethiopia me ingus to jagena houn

yr infrared showdwn yanny bits you hoant on lezzie in a towet

these are fighting words

from the resident

ethiopian warrior and i could see the faces

of the liberals trembling in fear

now last but not least

a late arrival of surprise guest

and one you all may be familiar with

dwan malay who is famous for playing the guitar during one of my debates

with him

dylan have you brought your di guitar

to this confrontation

i do have

several guitars with me ho thanks for asking

so dylan

are you here to musically enchant your enemies

into a spell

of submission

or

is your real goal

to destroy

each and every person here

in order to take home the bell

well everyone will be submitting to my musical wrath tonight that's for sure i've come ready to rumble

you know rock n roll style baby let's go

i see

fascinating now dylan

where is it that you lie politically speaking

in terms of where i am on the poll comp i guess i'm like

miled off left

somewhat like titois a jason i guess

something like that

wow so you are a tal as we have

two

former yugoslav

members

in the call bandit an dario

where's darrio

whereth are you

he painged you to drag him back

oh he got this going

theries

here is darreel

i guess you got scared a you are would you consider yourself a t tost as well

no i don't think so

you're not a fan

um i think it was it was pretty cool my parents tell me good things um but uh

not specifically

necessarily my politics i guess

and what about you bandit

he was a raad with mistakes

i see and we have some nuance in the room

i can see

okay so this

concludes today's lineup unless we have a surprise

showing out today

as it happens

problematic pan will be going ands up against a mob

of left

wing up

scum

and areslitly like gossip by each other

yeah i mean i'm

glad it will be an even fight

and pan if you know any right wingers struk anything like that

who can right now hop on and have your back

you're more than welcome

to bring them

as in you're not enough

i' it p

i mean i can i can check it's a little bit short notice

we're just letting you know that we need a day we need more ideological diversity unfortunately pesto mime

has deceived us again

mm once

less anquish weed

what can you do

now we will begin

the showdown with our first

but most important

topic of the night

now this is actually something that's a bit serious because

to me it hits close very close to home

now recently in michigan this was

that mean double check the date to in the date

on on november thirtieth

just a few days a goo here in michigan

in oxford high school

there was a mass shooting

committed by

ethan crumbley a fifteen year old

reshman

in oxford high school

leading to the tragic death of four students and the injury of seven

this story has rocked the nation and reignited a national conversation

about the sources

of

school shootings and gun violence

parents are afraid to send their kids to school

school environments no longer make

the pupils feel as safe as they used to

the whole thing has been embroiled

in scandal and recently the parents have actually been convicted

and found guilty of manslaughter

because of their

neglect

in being able to

pay attention and take seriously the warning signs of their son ethan blade

so the question we have to open tonight with is

no parent wants to send their kids

to schools that are unsafe

how can mass shootings in the future

best be prevented

and what is the cause

oh

mass shootings like the one committed by

eat it

brumble

illam

way can i i the

one at of time

did the president get convicted

i thought that darrio can begin

but i just it's just a quick quest did the parents actually get convicted or didn't know they actually got harg with involunte yah yeah ok ok yeah so we're on the same page

yeah

ok you ws gun

i guess i've been arguing about this gun problem for like i said over ten years now

very bes be arging it for ten years every time yeah wll me specifically it's a it's an issue i took pretty seriously as a gamer becauses a lot of guns and games

so the big the big issue here every single time something like this happens

its propaganda

for gun culture

for american gun culture

ever there are a lot video games aren't there

yeah but allk well america's more guns in america than there are people

though there's more any in america one at a time

it's ar more evitable

john hos ohead the nle mine

that's so you're up

is mutan

no i'm i've unmeted it i fixed it

the problem we're seeing here hel zeppl rouche

of the scheiler institute

has addressed this before

the new violence that's spreading through america and the rest of the world

it comes

from this

stochastic

terror inflicted on us

by the media

by violent horrible

images being spread around

and pornographic

depictions of killing

through video games that they give to kids to play video games instead of studying in school

as well as through netflix in forms like squid games

which is so traumatizing to kids it

makes one have dreams about squid games where violent things happen

even in their own college sorry to interrupt you here passed over you answer can you answer one question

can i can you answer one question

m can you direct me direct me to where any indication of like propaganda video game watching or anything like that directly affected

mister crumbley

and

caused them to commit violence because i can say of two actual things

it's actually one is he wasn't being properly

like kept an eye on by his parents

and the problem that comes is he was demonstrating some behavior

and the problem that comes probably is

because the teachers just let him go off without really telling the parents and everything that creates issues

because he was already suffering some psychological issues

and to is in michigan they don't have laws to lock up

guns

like in other other states so like those two primary issues because he was able to get in into the cabinet

and he wasn't being monitored properly by his parents so this whole argument of like

propaganda and everything you can't demonstrate that we can only talk about the actual things that were occurring there

i agree he's actually blaming the mirror

he's trying to say that the mirror of reality

is the problem no it's just a reflection

the problem is

the country like the you i one at a time this is i at it time netflix and video games you can law yes

at point

and you get an airstrike after two kills

how is of reality how is this how does this do anything with crembly we dot what's the fuct does that have to do aay ok is we're going to let we're going to let it to go then dilon blay

i there's two things ws i turn again though

you're not going to do like me last new games is like desensitizing life

on earth

is it is creating all these uh

just exhibitions of murder and massacre that's just like

you know preventing people from actually

appreciating humanity for what it really is no one cares about art

no one cares about you know poeor and you read the odyssey

what do you mean the aud read the odyssey it's not only ass book and its entire epic about fucking war dude

literally people have been killing each other

just as low and frankly what was have't been killing ech i'm just saying the culture of violence in america

especially with the advent of video games in this

allleegs loosening of restrictions on the violence in media

has a

i would say correlated with the rise of all sorts of violent

issues that are a greing within american culture that's just false though ya millennials are like one of the least violent generations in our history so i have no clue where you're getting this from not ting besy haveen to have the chan hey can i get in your rem where grow up playing

games where you right af talking about zomers and millennialm and say jef so zoomers and office you don't have enough statistics for a zoomer

tally wass literally a zomer he'sy so i le led ylan ledan tg floor for yeah look i'm going to jump the fuck in here really quickly as someone who's like straight up from detroit with this shit so i saw the side effects i saw a lot of what was going on in the immediate aftermath of all of this

there was i was driving to work the other day and there were schools that were being blocked off by police because of the like actual crazy tragedy that went down here

but it's more important to note that since we're on the topic of it again there's like actual data that shows that video game playing has no direct correlation to

shootings in and of themselves we all saw the ritten house case i mean they literally try to say

you know do you play this video game where they kill each other and shit and he was like

yeah but that had like nothing to do with it they were using that as evidence and shit

no i mean you can say it's wrong you can say it's wrong all you want you can say you're wrong all you want but like that's patently not true there's no strong corollary evidence here

that we can see any of this in

and a granin correlation

you'rearlelation i know what a barrel is i know what a trigger a hammer you know yet wait wait all wll i know i wt shit i know what is wit w wait a mt know w all as thanks to call duties all right harmle

why don't you describe yourself as a gamer accelerationist

yeah absolutely and i'm tired of this fucking conversation ok i'm tired of oh is all you're tired of the conversation you can be you know when mean go culture

this is the gun culture a m shouldn't you be defended in movies it's fucking everywhere because it is clear it is essential to the american soul is gun culture and what i want to do is i want to accelerate it

past the point of oh what's the problem

the problem is

we don't use the guns

yah

uh for any any like progress right it's just it's only defense

but then only evil people get to use it for often it's just it's weirdll r we going to we're going to let the hipster surf for moral grandstand on us some more because here's what i want to i want to say you guys have talked a lot

there's

no common

cause for every single mass shooting or every single school shooting that's

happened in modern american history so it would be

you know short sighted to apply like a common solution to all of these issues where all these are the common issue the gud

that that's not true buth what we do know is that with all of these uh individuals who do these shootings school shootings

they're disturbed

and they're dangerous they're violent right

m in the case of this individual this kid

uh he had expressed that he was going to you know potentially do something violent he had written blood everywhere there were as as someone else mentioned on the

pan already there was

improper you know discipline disciplinary action that was not taken by the superintendent and by the teachers and the parents themselves

the kid had access to a gun that was purchased on black friday

but um i think if we really want to address this especially as someone who believes in the right to bear arms in this country

you need to look at what is causing people to be disturbed and what's causing people to have these you know mental health issues

and going to address tomor sd try to in the most

the most whole like the whole sided way that you can possible

there's a bunch of reasons why people have these mental issues but you need to look at all of them and try to address all of them it's a go and it's a side all mar no in war the would sh shut the fuck up

this is chaos

bandit

problematic

then darrio

ok so it's pretty much alienation and we see in the last twenty thirty years that there's been increasing and school shootings i think especially america

are one symptom

of this alien societal alienation in general

right we have people who are like closed off people are constly closing themselves off from the rest of society

especially now during co with we conceiven more

this happening you know the pressuion rising

we have like a moment like in cells what the fuck is that like what the fuck is wrong with people

right like so

that you have all these things and school sh things that are part of this and there's i mean it's interesting because as far as i understand america is the country with the masts things like they're rely like a regular occurren

so like i mean i think to a large extent the problem in america is that there's like a lack of this kind of

a social state like uh some sort sort of like uh

a collective understanding and like acceptance

within society right

where people you know you're constly trying to build walls around yourself instead of like

engaging the community more actually having like some sort of group bas yeah the reree i think it's a big problem yeah

and also

like michigan law states

right like you're supposed to have h ammunition

and the actual gun itself like away from the right but

the parents didn't do that like

obviously the parents are getting uh like arrested and charged and stuff like that but

just the parenting itself

of the the shooter has to be taken into account instead of just completely revamping h

the uh the system in which we regulate guns and stuff like that like

like jackson said right we have to look at it through a case by case basis instead of trying to

put a big bandid on

you know this endemic uh issue in the united states

yeah there's a variety of ges like you guys the alienation was a really good example right

but as some you bring up like we have a prey pervasive culture like silence in the united states right now

literally i saw my grandma last week during thanksgiving she literally grew up during like world war two like talk about like a lot of violence going on in like early childhood that was a lot of violence compared to what we have today

but what's different today

is that you have guys on massive issues with like money problems in families unsafe neighborhood stuff like that that's the new stuff that needs to be addressed

so on guys a are so ar youments america shut up was the civil just starmle shut your fucky mouth

guys i was experimenting with the soundboard shit so sorry i

oh

sorry i just

i don't know we're back on track we're good now ok

di charm more than didylan go ahead

my ser arey somewhere ustd i haven't said anything jar sut the phone off

sure the issue the issue whenever

guns get brought up in any single contt of united states it seems like people are just outraged about guns in general right without getting to any real solutions and i think that's the biggest issue with this and when anything else ifn look at the numbers yes school shootings happen in the u s right but it but it's only like a couple

right and and like compared to h if you look at how many guns there are in the u s and like how many guns are in cc relation in general compared to people and all of these factors right

in the grand scheme of things

generally people don't really die from school shootings in the u s it's like a couple

and of course it's a tragedy

it's a tragedy whenever anyone dies

but that's not the big issue in the united states right and the reason why this happens very clearly

because the us does not have

a good support structure for mental health ok so this very good

i don't make my point do we finish my point listen finish my point i't talking finish jeus seond just give me thirty seconds ser drivers let him finishight have go play he grand my besk

then i'm

the issue is that the united states does not have a good structure for dealing with mental health which was very clearly the issue in this case right the kid was very obviously had mental health issued anybody could see that even his parents

were notified of this right by the by the school as well like the school asked to to give him like mental christs mental health within forty eight hours of the thing happening right and just didn't happen because the u s does not have good spport structure for this that's the real issue

that happened here it wasn't the us has guns

but it's not the reason why the because there's another st

there's another streamer on twitch b x bullet literally got firearms on the back wall right and everybody's like yeah bas bace

it the problem again for the million of time is the gun culture not i shut upions what is this cheap backstage banter

keep it organized

acho do you want to say anything

i go

no

ok

now

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i got to right so i sat shooting

i'm definitely

sho i'm like this close to meeting you and then the

i'm just going to talk over you and have no idea yeah let i co speak let i go speak

all i have to say is that um

there's not

we haven't really been in school in the u s because of covid so i mean

that was one of the bright

points of it it's like hey people would be like hey there's not a

been a lot of school shootings this year

you know so i don't know

that's it

um if i can hop on off off of that there's there's two aspects we have to consider here okay

first we have to consider just because

your economic conditions are worse doesn't mean you're automatically going to go up and shoot up schools right

you have the thing about information exposure so

when you talk about the fest of mine here says he says a lot of stupid stuff but

stassing terrorism

kind of

a kind of on point here so

basically it's like a collection of seemingly random events

but when you kind of like take as like a broad systemic look at it you see there's some degree of consistency

i can't say this for ethan crumby but the whole conversation of these are just

random actually have kind of widen the scope

to like random shootings not just shootings

but shootings

but already argue but aren't you kind of doing what you just accuse i iight i'm just i'm correcting the record on that sure but there was no evidence that it was yt es i'm yes i know i know i'm saying is if you're going to make that argument you have to know what you're saying too is the whole

he did the whole blood thing no he drew a picture

that it said blood it said blood everywhere with a handgun so let's not gouse at of the ings he ha was having bad mental health issues

he was searching up different things about gun ammunition

and these audience oning known by teachers and parents alike

and their parents and teachers did nothing

and then the michigan law doesn't

force people to lock up guns in their cabinets gets a gun

that is dangerous because they're less likely to know what they're doing they're more likely in this situation to do stuff like this so i walun

as is like a necessary preventative in order to stop these things

kids are supposed to be interested in ammunition types it's healthy they're learning about technology and science

no a fifteen year od even if playing t vido games and w helmet if ive ben and and it's like another on they arether thrank to the i get in here real quick yes t yes le call meyea dylan then postal

yeah so i just wanted to say that i think it's really important to look at this and other like school shootings

i think the strongest correlation is the mental health we saw the signs from ethan crumley like right off the bat

you can see the shit about him drawing the word blood and in a handgun you can see the fact that his parents knew about this if you take a look at his actual existing social media accounts and things like that

there was some seriously fucked up disturbing shit on there

posting pictures of like distorted people's faces like really dark

guns and stuff like that so the world knew that he had a crazy like mental health situation was way too in a creepy pastas

i'd argue those are one and the same

however i'm just going to throw it out there right now that i think yeah but like the problem is w that like people people see that and then they don't give a f they think yh somebody else's problem

but it's banded ian band it i'm going to agree with you it's a collective issue for sure yeah we need stronger community structures and strongerp concousness of that that's yeat i know so we need to make people more consciously aware and i think as like the american left we can make people

more aware of mental health struggles and building infrastructure around getting these people who are clearly sick

taking care of

because we need to have that community mindset of

we're not just in this a is individuals we're in this as a group we need to make sure that each of our own are taken care of

we' got to have these strong foundational measures for sure and then we'll see a decrease in school shootings look at like columbine for example right

again a very drastic

case of mental health issues

or if you look at that

that fucking kid nicholas cruz in florida a couple years back

again

some seriously fucked up mentally unstable dude there

though by your own admission you're admitting you're saying

that if a kid or anybody is posting a bunch of gun culture shit

to their social that you're healthy in the head right now it's a not necessarily i think you've been completely taken out of society by your gamerism yeah i need i need to do know you sd noting contact with theres rules

can gt i wouldid what a good mythical morning guy really quick yes you can

ok thank you

so i just i felt it was really important to address there here that the broadly it was not the fact that he posted a gun on his instagram that's like the most tame thing he posted on his instagram there's a series of other way more fucked up shit on there

that's like

probably more concerning than him posting a picture of a gun you go down to the south you see falking guys

who just walk around like

they got their fucking guns re taking pictures and shit like you see hip hop culture guys taking pictures of their guns and shit

that's not nearly as alarming as the other shit he was posting

like

i don'tm killing shut up shut the fuck up

dylan to elaborate for us because i don't know this personally

and within ti os

what was the other stuff he was posting because i actually don't know about this

yes so he was posting some like disturbed distorted images of his classmates faces with like blacked out backgrounds and shit and like photo shopped

bullet hole things or

like wounds photoshoped wounds things of that nature

on his instagram which is arguably much more fucked up than just the

blanket picture of i think it was a six sour pistol that he posted

is there any indication of what his motivations could have been

again

its that kind of one of to cat to kill them it with that kind of posting and that kind of stuff you cakind of have them make an ference about what the kind of fucked up shit going through someone's head when they post that stuff y like i live in a sh wole country and here like you would your parents would be invited immediately if you post shit like that online

right and the people know this rightly

you would get invited to the school your parents would be invited to the school they were yeah and they what the fuck happened there what probably ca prob there's also a problem like you know bentsparents like o parents at the result no it's a societal issue parents aren't the only people who can re and somere just like fuking parents but parents are the f i mary hat caretakers if they're not taking care of their child there's a real issue there

so also i just want to know way way i do want to know some specific quotes that he wrote down it seeming on his paper

my life is useless the world is dead

so there're see there's some there's

potentially some feeling of like distraughtness

and from there the question then comes as

what drk

drives a person right you can go suicide you can go shoot up a school like there's a lot of options here if a person is feeling like this so the question then comes is what specific pressures can we just't have that information right now i also wanted to address you pan

just because you put a gun in the cabinet doesn't mean

that it's going to automatically prevent a kid from doing that

but it does decrease the likelihood and that's what it's always about you know

you know what i'm actually curious about because we've had some people mention the parents right now iight

is is there any disagreement about the sort of the charging of the parents with the

with the manslaughter case because i actually don't think it makes sense to charge the parents or even convict the parent on negligence maybe i was going to say criminal there is negligence for surele family i don't even i youre this is very reason we wait for some more information about the court case happened before y for sure manslaughter well surere maybe not s it's interesting though it didn't go to court yet but

what i'm saying is based on the knowledge that we have i actually don't think

it's the parent's fault necessarily right i don't think it makes sense to

convict parents of anything we talking aut improv man manslaughter primarily manslaughter primarily d deals with a person accidentally

killing that person

and not uh through intent so it's like if you're a drunk if you're like uh driving and you accidentally hit somebody

or if you're doing things like that specifically in this instance this is more related to maybe we show childhood neglect these are the kind of bigger issues because like they left town and everything so like these are just not

a b c news when they talk when they talked about the the

parents acts like theirgreg jus actes to what was plasible for them being charged

they brought up the fact that they had made the gun accessible to the kid so it's possible that there was like not proper storage of the gun or they in some way made it accessible to him

that was responsible for their charge we agrees that guns are part of the equation and match just because the gun is the are doesn't mean you can be charged with manslaughter but bad negligence i agree but it

john hold there's this old toll rerap song on youtube by john leois

a guns don't kill people i kill people

with guns right

so like that's the thing right it's the individual is the key and societal issues that make him go and shoot

other his classmates and whatever it's on guns just for here's heres that instrument right

yeah sorry

es the question is

also you have to keep in mind

is also a topic question

were the parents responsible

or what happened

i get exd literally not make a gun

so like not at all i i'm going to get in here really quick one out of time going over so who disagrees that the parents were responsible

i don't think they're responsible

rio the floor is yours

yeah uh i i i just i don't i don't think based on the information we have i don't think it makes sense to say that they were responsible could you say they were negligent sure but i don't think that should have any big consequences in terms of like jail time or convictions like maybe some kind of fine or whatever help them

to take care of some of the damages that the kid did

but in general

it doesn't really make sense to punish the parents that much in this situation i don't think based on information we have

i'm sorry but let i go go

um

remember that day it was the it was like

four p m

ah the day after kyle writtenhouse and we were both on a panel

and i was like hey let's not talk about this yet because it's

too soon and we don't know all the details

but that

some of us were like

hey let's keep talking about it

and then

you know

well yeah i think i one hundred percent i code that's that's why i said based on the information we have right now and that might change uh i don't want to make any definitive statements but i would say based on the information we have

available i don't think it makes sense but it might change based on what comes up in a possible case

read let me just uh read a a thing

um it says at friday

friday's news conference cdonald revealed that

teachers had twice raised concerns to the crumblies about their son in recent days once when he was seen searching for

ammunition online during class and again when a disturbing and violent drawing was

found in his desk in a meeting with school administrators just hours before the shooting tuesday

uh the parents

resisted the idea of their son leaving the school and did not tell

school officials that ethan had access to a gun

h yeah and and i i'll also add that uh i'm neither like uh

supportive supportive of them like thinking that they definitely should be convicted or or think that they're completely innocent i think we have to wait and see what happens

as with the written house case you know it's like there's a lot of information that will probably still come out and there's probably a lot of misinformation that's already out there but i disagree about the written house stuff and pretty much everything is ok well we're not let me fuking can help you but i will say

that

it seems outkay it seems as though there is some partial responsibility

upon the parents i don't know if you can like convict them with manslaughter though and then on the other hand

it also seems like

it's if the superintendent had been involved if the teachers had been involved that they're all aware of this

can't you say it's like

equally upon them to like

maybe

tell the kid to like go home and not show up to schoo for like a week or something like suspend them or something like that i don't know we'll see what happens yeah that that's actually i completely agree with that jackson and that's i want to just respond to iico real quick because because you brought me up

i

i when we're talking about who's at fault right i can i can say there's a whole ton of things and we mentioned them right there's the

a mental health infrastructure in the united states right there's the fact that the kids the signs weren't picked up in time there's there's the fact that the gun

maybe was too available or whatever there's

bunch of things that old what i'm say what i what ams

sure but what i'm what i'm saying is right i don't think the parents specifically

uh and and to a big degree word fault in terms of like what is to be expected from

we have to keep itd here

literally bought the gun

we g doesn't mean it i see the the issue is not necessarily that people have guns it's more of how we treat guns and how we like lock them up and everything ok

also i want to say specifically is that the issue that comes with like in terms of like teachers and the school administration is

you can try and take certain policies to say like hey

your kids doing some fucked up stuff they're having some issues

you should try and do this a

it seems to me based on what we see the teachers tried right they try to notify the parents they try to do everything they can

they tred to like give as much information as possible and just saying like hey you're kidd

has some problems

but the problem then comes is you in order to successfully deal with like a a increasing crisis

potential

you have to like look at their behavior you have to notify the parents and ultimately the responsibility falls on the parents

as they were legally responsible for them

so the amount of the

actions a school can take is like

relatively limited compared to a parent so we have to keep that in mind

yeah a way i'm going to get in here really i don't i need to get in heree me

i'll being my turn for a very long time in all of you i was allowing you to speak during my turn

but i don't care who gave him the gun who gave him the ideas

to

go around and think about

killing in such a casual way

wo went around is

alllicy i don't i don't know for sure if mass shootings are the goal of this policy

of the media to go around and

create complete indifference to human life

in what they show to kids and adults

but you look around the world you look at their mission elsewhere

supporting these these wars and these terrible sanctions of people starving

in afghanistan people getting blown up in afghanistan the u s government funding isis in afghanistan

and you gota think to yourself

why is it that the media at the same time

that the united states government gets taken over

and starts having this role as

a grim reaper

in the world

why is it that at the same time as that

the media starts getting more and more violent

more and more casual more and more images of people

just out lowan up i happened so way yeah yeah this is not relevant this is a on's not like start the reason why is because

i mean what happens in other western imperialist governments i mean i don't doubt you that the media pushes like gruesome warfare i'm saying same exact let me finish let me finish they push all the same wars

their party to a lot of these same wars

um they commit war crimes they apologize for war criminals their media you know sell the wars et cetera they have these same violent video games

the violent images in the media

but you don't have the same degree

of you know school shootings and mass shootings that you have in the united states as you do in these countries that

have the same media issue that you were trying to bring up here

yeah'm going to because united specifically bad infrastructure when it comes to dealing with health issues of any kind right but specifically mental health and specifically support for young kids and for growing aolescen

yeah look i'm i'm going to get in here really quickly i need i think it's really important to say that yeah uh fucking

western imperialist powers are fuking terrible and all of that is fuking awful

but i just don't see how that correlates really to like a school shooting other than through

us thinking that it's like correlates i don't i don't know if that's the strong correlation but that's like i corlation between what yeah i don't even see that as beingr co to begin with i don't even see that as being moargumentally go it's a terrible thing for sure we do'll think that reason why yous and why you have the reason why you don't have these h

the proper infrastructure of all these things health care and whatever is because you need to maintain like a global imperialis gmony right you have to finance i had it's not relevant here

yes but it is relevant because that's why for the stars right now not atually s was that lad him to kill the people ok that was look yeah look i'm going to be with wordy on this one because we need to look at the immediate things that surround this case in and of itself like one of the strongest again

con contributing factors

is the which is i wanted to touch on this for a while now because i do agree with wlordy on this one of the strongest contributing factors is the way that that gun is stored taken care of and handled

readiness and readiness to the accessibility of a gun is actually the strongest contributing factor to whether someone goes and shoots up somewhere

which is why i think it's important like

invoke gun safety laws as well as mental health infrastructure to make sure sre like this doesn't happen so we ao if we're going to talk about solutions so i i' going to talk about solutions right are you suggesting like what gun class lock up the glass school yeah lock up the fucking gun and make sure that gun safety laws get enforced it's not that fucking crazy but crazy is you h all these girls over here keep taking we need some

no one going to hear anyone outs jao sing because according to the environmentalist they're destroying the planet because we've got this media coming down on us saying that human beings

only exist as these ah numbers as these ideas as these sacks of meat

that were being fed car were ruled by imperialists because we're being ruled

by

british

science and british ideas in the form of the cia and other

you knows so if i want to listen to mamentalin i would show there oday doesn't have a just undying love for the british monarchy who killed our people and then on nobody

out of ti on first

we're going to we're going to do some the people who have been able to speak the least

i want to hear from problematic

ah because i haven't heard a whole lot of from him

and then i want to hear from ichael again

thank

yeah well i think that one thing that uh we should talk about more is how much the media covers stuff like this now in the days of like international media one way to instantly get your names in the minds of

hundreds of millions of people across the world is to commit one of these heinous acts and a mass shooting seving way its was not possible for

a lot of times when people feel like their life is meaningless and they feel everything is worthless

uh they feel like hey

at least i can get some notoriety

because they know that there is this avenue to getting

the attention of basically the entire country

so i think that that's probably something i think that's kind of in line with what you guys were talking about earlier with the stochastic terrorism

ah but i think it's it's a little bit separate and important to note how

uh one of the reasons why we've seen this recently is because of the you know conglomeration of media and to more and more and also the trend from local stories into more and more and more uh

you know

nationwide stories being um played so i think that that's

um the news coverage of this has a

big part to do with it

i

if you want to talk about media and how medi let let let's on ar s i yeah let let i go go first then you can go

thank you

um i was going to say that

we know for a fact that the

suicide prevention having

the gun locked up having the ammunition separate

like the morse

step

removed

from being able to commit

the act

um does prevent suicide so i would assume that the same goes for s uh like you know

master

true it is true this the yeah

true you know lies that let re you at access to guns on the capabilities on

when you hear my voice you must be silent

you he turn down are you first then jon

i love the way you speak sometimes aes

n seak to

yeah but that to oh yeah and you can go after you

yeaes sure

so i think it's i think i don't think anybody should be removing guns quote unquote from the conversation right but there are reasonable and there are unreasonable conversations about guns right so just screeching guns bad isn't going to get us anywhere in the united states right because i tell bet tactics be culture it's very bad beto beto rogue tactic

very bad so i come listen i've grown up in denmark denmark doesn't have

any guns at all right so we don't have the same kinds of problems but we still have the same kinds of problems why we just don't have them with guns and as iko correctly pointed out

guns make

these issues worse

right

they do actually make these issues worse right but you're not going to remove guns from the united states right and

just because guns make some they also make some things better i day allow you some things that would not be

able to do without guns right so you can't just you can't take them out of the equation even on the pro ordy against side you have to take into the context of the united states and we're actually looking at real solutions i think the solutions proposed by the other panelist talking about actual like keeping the guns safe

making removing more and more steps and talking about mental health and talking about how we can improve the united states systems the health care systems the

child outreach systems these things are actually going to fix the issue just screaching about guns is not going to fix anything

you don't have a conversation about guns and it's not like or it's and it's not nuanced at all which is what it seems like charmls trying to do here is just like yes

let's blame the gun we gol no one's mad i think you're pretty upset because we look in the corner and we see your fucking facial expressions this whole time and you look like you're having like an actual episode but other than that i think i save

it i think it's safe to say that the

again dario is absolutely correct when we have conversations about guns and someone just goes

forehead just get rid of guns

everyone kind of look never everyoney ever said that talking like it and you keep implying ah right if you're the the gun saying gun it's the guns amen culture amen it is the gun culturelture is ar right same when conservative say oh how do we get rid of black people doing crime well it's just a culture we just have to fig to culture is never an argument right you have to go into specifics

what specifically about gun culture is the issue that you're trying to address right guns existing the that's not it's at this point all you have is if i can respond or if you guys want to cry more that's why

no no play on your view of gun culture is and what aspects of un culture need to be changed i think that was so

first aspect of going to culture that we need to change immediatelyt is the mack w youing t go ahead

yeah let it you she is so out of pocket

h it is basically i i'm with darria on a lot of this like

we can't just blame guns like

obviously the deprivation exists

like everywhere you know like this's just like guns are just like an instrument

to a

yeah to uh get the deprivations out there you know like in in britain right they they got a knife crime you know

they don't gut guns but they have knife crime you know so like

obviously there's just like a lot of deprived people in britain it's not like h

so the question but it's like

the crime exists nonetheless you know

and it

creates another endemic

you know like the problem sor the the solution is like actually like tackling like mental health issues

and tackling a proper parenting and tackling the the proper

uh t uh

school to student relationship you know actually paying attention

the student into went on just not leting

i know it's clich knowling and chosen behind like the whole system right so it's right now it's a very so so cookie cutter system you know so they're a counting ptular activities as well there's this kind of you know some

you know if you think about it

why is it that there is such a mental health crisis in u s because you really don't see these kind of shootings

in

third world countries where guns are everywhere there's guns all over

middle eastern countries third world countries

they got guns on the bed they got guns under the bed and living room everywhere you go

why is it that

are the parents really to blame for not locking up the gun or what is going on would say this i would say this you know like a lot of these places

they're just uh

there's a lot more value of life even like

though the lot of that place is a poor how do you measure that

what do you mean just like how do you me that because we have less to

a country that is extremely cr box extrem brain yeah extreme ow crisse extreme drug addiction problems i w all this sort of stuff

there's just a lack of a value of keep e that has nothing to do with a crumbly here ok

i personally not think that's anything to do with crumbling i'm just saying there is a distinct

la i liasten the american anglo psyche

there's a distinct nihilism but see in the

i mean that's that's was something for you to discusb i mean blacks are live here so they're not anglo saxon fk you wich by people di not like

so i mean gang crimes are any big thing in america

but

soy we're not denying that

you're trying to bring you back to crumby which i'm doing as well but i don't see how

using words that just don't mean anything they're not useful for this conversation like a true anglo like a true anglo you hear the word anglo you hear it if i want to si out british i'mllre british

he hasn't said anything a on on soality bdy on

so since wordy is saying a two isn't saying anything pesto do you want to describe to word he what

what he's saying and explain it to him

i wasn't really listening to what he was saying i was busy he was talking about the last thing i want to so i can so what i did w it dop shet up so what it too was saying was that the reason for a

the things like ethan crumleys that

there's a specific and unique neholism in america there's a problem of nihilism do you have anything to say about that pestoal

because wordy said that that's meaningless theor so do you disagree with that or

yeah of course wordy's goinga say that that's meaningless because he doesn't understand

anything at all i'm a fucky moral and a realist i know what nihilism is dude

you know what nihilism is of course you do h i wen youre telling you t to do with american culture

americ was an edgy fifteen year old ones to not real american culture what you're being fed

the nihilism that they're teaching you on the schools and in i mean the more i talk you the more i become an iilist ok we can't have any conversations here

look i agree we're lt finish but let go finish

look i agree with pesto that nihilism and you're not brok terri a liberal fens talkingus the was st talking over you now le let me let let ps go finishing what you're thinking

let let me has still finish and then who is a dylan you can go after

yeah o i want to go next

and then be what he to absolutely the most correct thing

r t s g obviously is

full of great minds who obviously think alike

that's the reason why we're on top

and rising

you do have a problem

in western countries of this kind of violence like it too said

you know they're trying to import it to the third world through things like isis where where does isis come from you know virginia england

the thing that they do in wet in

western countries used to be that guns were used for the same reasons they were in third world countries

to preserve

and protect any

build up

that them

greater project

of humanity that we're all in you look in afghanistan they have

more guns

her family

then in america

every everybody in afghanistan have a gun but you don't see them going around

but committing all these big crimes to being in the news because they actually have a moral way of using their guns they use their guns for good

are you caetlling in

you we just literally pulled out of the war af were w and i'me we die right no we're done here that the taliban iss shot up schools all the time as well litally said nothing pes we're not talking about this is not related to the topic at all that we're talking about america absolutely n i will i will intervene and say i think it is relevant because we're talking about the sources of these

mass shootings and how to prevent them

and he's basically's saying that there's a problem with america specifically

do you know and i pointed i get o big media sources anywhere grumbly reconciz this hollywood media

it's hollywood media that used to make you know sometimes there were like nice films that they would make like stanley kubrick

but most of the stuff you see like it's a pretk kid

en case he literallyus like people viol veners were literally abusing women in the process what are you talking about yeah what do you

what are you talking about that literally pestl mine on let's let i belet let i co respond to pistol

no no i'm just mean like

have you ever

seen

as stanley

fre break

movie

yeah the stanley kubrick movies are about what humans are like

you know

being trapped in this terrible system

of violence it's not just your mindle woring and raping and shit right

that's fine yeah but it's a bad thing

we're got on here oy edward probley again lett le talk about p had you mind if i get in here i some policy yes yah yes let le lett me lettll ind let dylan get a worded let me gof

let dylan get a word in your

ok you really quickly because i think it's a and then i know yes

i think we all agree with pesto that western imperialist culture is like a terrible thing

like anyone to raise your hand if you're in favor of imperialism here

i'm not seeing any hands

yeah think but how many of you are going to go out i mean i don't know you mean like comm ctinly not like i did but yeah

could have western imperialgram like literally to have anistana bling shut up is fucking terrible all right

but i thel what we're all trying to touch on here is the importance in the specifics of this case itself because that's more important to talk about

when looking at school shootings

like i don't know how much we can do in the immediate to stop western imperialism other than try to get good politicians in power who want to stop intervening in other foreign countries

but until then we need to come up with immediate policy ush things that we can

push right now

like automatic conscription

well

ight

with the us so south korea right no i sort of get no they talked about this on the colber report like years ago right

they're talking about nordi stop school shootings or just shootings in general

as you teach the kids how to shoot and the like how to respect the gun and

you you were spa you have the generations need to go with eighteen undre mae even seventeen you have to take classes on gun culture you have to join the fucking military

i'mjusy i tht i just i was waiting i was waiting forane

f i don't so so like you

yeah the problem is that we individualize everything dylan and i agree to some extent with ylm but theyllon you said like

but when we're talking about all that this foreign stuff like ah we have to elect

like these individuals in the place of power and then somehow we'll stop imperialism or whatever no like that's the problem and this is the problem that is

here as well everything is individualized

everything is a dual these are structural systemic problems and don't solve them by electing one individual who's

good and moral or what it's likeking so we need to take immediate action is a stop and pu has to be what it has to do

but we has to be let's stay on this topic we can talk about that later so what's

necessary here is to include society in bringing up kids as well

right

society is it can't be just on the parents

right

because very often parents can be shitty

n

some people are very bad parents

i agree and there has to be society

there

to pick up these children and give them a chance in life

and not let them rot rot out inside

right and turned into fucking maniacs

or fucking racists or what the whatever the fuck or junkies or suiciders or whatever the fuc

right

there's society has to i tak the place what do you want i sid you to i'm just curious like

theyt connection swer that i

yeah i can't actually answer that because because somebody i think it was like ten minutes ago now somebody actually asked why is american mental health that and i can actually answer that is because laws have been pased in the united states in the past which specifically devalued and defunded mental health care services in favor of like physical health care services right because it wasn't taken seriously and you can look at like veterans and stuff right

since world war two veteran mental health care has been a corogeous in the united states

and

well daria but what would you say to the argument that

um

third world countries despite having like no health care for mental health still don't have this problem

well they have because they're dying

yeah exactly they so they have different issues right so every single country has different issues based on the material context of a what about countries that are like also it's youh what about what about countries that aren't like

where people are starving but there are countries like serbia where the

bandit lives re like lebanon were like

n know there they're not particularly rich but they're also not like

starving

why don't we see with a lot of yeah but wh there're significantly smaller a have remember we don't see this very frequently i i but our populations like i don't know actually the population of serbia but id imagine it's like at least ten times bigger

and that that's that's what i actually want to say a problematic panright you have to look at the scale of things right that's why i started this topic by saying

school shootings happen in the united states and nobody denies that it happens more than the rest of the world but in the grand scheme of things actually a

extremely low number of people actually de in school shootings and extremely

small number of school shootings do happen in the united states in the grand scheme of things right it's still a

extremely bad

thing that happen do you think there's any country comparable to the u s like in population size like for example

in russia i don't think you see half as many school shootings as in the

so there's actually s's

os there's actually a good metric we use in terms of analyzing like comparable countries are you aware of the o e cd

andm

basically is in terms of statistics these are like comparable countries like germany australia

like maybe sweden so like these like roughly like not necessarily the same size but like relatively level

relatively similar development level and that's what's kind of important here is kind of like the general like

development on terms like first world countries second world third world countries

those like comparable levels how allow us to analyze different issues

so for example like you have like other countries like europe

you're have like a much more robust health care system so like that's why you generally want to tailor policies like want to incorporate things like the cabinets this way you make sure kids don't s as often it makes the more less dangerous right

is the entire the entire frustration i have like

a lot of people on this panel is

we're drawing it back into like these

rhetorical topics of like western imperialism but when we talk about fixing these issues

we have to discuss

policies

because at the end of the day we can talk about that stuff all day long and nothing gets done so we need to talk about this if its also to be clear

if we could sum it up so your position wordy is that

the policy we need for to address things like this is more mental health

investment

yes

well there is actually there's actually different things because first to answer a question has because you did ask me right i don't think there is any country in the world that is specifically comparable to the united states in both sides in how the country was founded ight the united states isn't actually that old of a country but in terms of like the violent way that it was founded right in recent times ight i don't think there's any country comparable

but you can compare some aspect of the united states to

other countries as was mentioned in the oec d right so in terms of specifically what can be done i agree policy is a really good move and i think policy is important overall but until you can get policy passed i think organizing in local communities and making sure that the communities themselves address these issues head first right create create stuff for children to do right outside of school create

communities where you can help each other deal with like mental health maye be more open about mental health in both your family and in your community stuff like this right all of these things you can do in your communities while you wait for the government so i see i see pesti mm takes issue with what you're saying as do you have anything to say to respond to dario

h my god do i have so much to say about daro i it's not just dario i'm not just mad at you i'm mad at most of the people on this panel who didn't come here with me that being r t s g

oh my god

the putting the on the local communities we need the mental health services you don't need the mental health services the problem is that people are going crazy because they're being fed insanity what you need is to stop giving people that

whatever the opposite of mental recovery is

this complete bombardment

by a violent culture that tells to people that they're not worthwhile as people that as humans

they are not sacred their parents aren't sacred their

family aren't sacred and people in other countries definitely aren't sacred

ub

values that america was founded on

or values against this way of thinking they were against the british empire they were against imperialism

and

completely

all of

garky

a squeezing out of every human being just as much as they can and keeping them completely low like a base animal and like cattle

so and whatever time we're going to we're going to let dario and then wordings to make them into animals to make them do i'm going to sum it up it so that in different

so what pesta was saying and to sum it up from what i can hear

pest was trying to say that

um

the problem with these mass shootings

lies in the fact

that

the media in the s is actually driving

is actually like ruining and rotting people's brain

and it's leading to this so dario and then word you can respond to that

can i just add on this and then like other go yeah ok

so i think mental health institution stull exist and whatever but the problem is if we just introduce that

that's just like a band aid it's as if somebody cuts your arm off and somebody comes in like

puts a bandid and said oh you're fine now right

h the problem is deeper than just lack of health lack of mental

health care right because we're still live in the same conditions which will reproduce

these problems

that exist in society that then these people

through mass violence or suicide

the drug abuse

whatever

the

so

what

yt i'm sorry i'm really sorry but as for w the right yeah we should discuss po policy right but you can only discuss policy once you know from where this problem arises

right so you first have to start from that

position right and then we can get the policy

right

so i agree with do pawayrose my term

s my che come on

just to gve youve one you haven't talked enough please

yes thank you charmal thank you

so just for one second i'm actually going to humor pesstomim and actually take him seriously even though i'm probably going to regret it right so the issue here

is that urch

why can i hear myself when i'm talking haz

i think you're dylan

okay i don't it's me i don't think it's me because i're the only one gre

yeah m i had what i my permanently green

sure sure sure ok

so

the issue is pestomandedd you're taking a specific problem and trying to generalize it right but the problem isn't

as general as you speak right because we can point to all kinds of different countries that have

these violent video games this violent t v shows movies and all these things right and the same thing doesn't happen

as they do in the united states right you have to point out what is the difference in the united states that makes these things happen right and the actual answer

as

we actually discussed on this it's a myriad of things right it's a myriad of things that combine into making the difference right but doesn't exist

it doesn't doesn't violence violent media there's no such thing as a myriad of things

you're crazy

that's what they taught me to think

because they don't want you to notice what's clearly plainly in front of you this is this is why i re and i redt right my deuscision of taking you seriously right because i'm actually i was there i there actually serious wll you can undertands the value experien is supposed to be this is chaoticest

middle part dude

yeah say

i cal and that's hard

pesto who's there

was they

who's the

they raise the empire the british empire that's infected our elites

its who is the bst

anyway so i just want to point out to chat everybody want you it is p your games worldwid okres billion so much we've spent an hour on this topic and you know what we haven't talked about but the b choco i'm not i'm the moderator you don't have look i'm just saying it's not no nos talk about gun culture up right e was's about

other shit they want to take mental health sun p i have to meet i do have to meet you or go ahead

ok

pesto

it sounds like when you said they

it seems like people here are kind of insinuating something or

what do you think they're talking abouor

what do you mean by elites

he leads

i don't mean ight be ag to rule over us

yes we all know who our enemy is because we got taught in elementary school they try and teach you differently they try and give you all this nuance with the seventeen

seventeen seventy six project was like trya the sevent sixteen nineteusend project thank you daniel the sixteen nineteusend project they try and treat

teach you differently they try and teach you allways more nuanced so we were the bad ones n know we know who the enemy is

ok we wait we wait weow it's call of duty bro

it's called the british royal family obvio there we go the number one andok americ you number one the name of asia africa latin america

yeah i don't think peoplen assum that he's like anti semitical like what ok well somebody says only really i don't know what that means you know i say read because they exist you see people and they'll point you to the same direction

well the problem comes here is one i just wanted to make sure we weren't actually saying some things be caause like

because it's really who saying what when you were

what a i want to briefly return i'm i'm muting all of you i'm deafening you and i'm going to blow m g

layers just to get there

it doesn't say he when i said

when i said

that you guys are muted you guys were muted the stream couldn't heure you so yes that's fine we are we are just frustrated ass ok continue as i was just talking about how n again want to talk i don't right i'm even willing toeek charmalk armll go ahead and

talk about the gun culture go ahead

well the gun culture is everywhere like it's ingrained in american culture right like

to

every single time likean kinkle did this right off the bat and dario keeps doing it all the time right

is every single time there's a mass shooting doesn't matter if it's school gang related what the fuck ever

or war even

they'll say don't look at the guns don't look at the ability to get guns and like

uh gun safety you know line of sight and talk about that instead talk about your brains you guys had ians

or it's the monarchy or imperialism which i agree with i believe it is the imperialism right

the same that ulture itself like like i said all these kids are learning psto psto pesto take that off take that off

take that off

never it funds its you're like every time there's a mass shooting it is propaganda for gun ctul you guys and youre everything ma words right now and there's a shooting it's propaganda for more gun cture so that's why wen on was earlier leter earlier it wasting ded i we shut the der

any of that stuff

who never said any of that stuff you're saying i said don't look at the guns don't look at the

i never said that stuff you're completely misinterpreting it

i said you have to focus on the root causes of these issues

wait one second

pause

ah

i'm getting a super chat one say i said you have to focus on the root causes

and the root causes

are not ust the es are not oh my god troby up for so long

yeah yeah to be to be fair

charm hole you did talk for a long time can you let jackson respond

yeah no

though i never said the root cause was guns

in fact i believe that we need to have

some versions of gun reform in this country

but gun reform is only going to somewhat reduce the amount of gun violence we have

and i do believe in the right to bear arms

what you need to focus on is the root cause for these people resulting in these disturbed mental states

that therein in which they commit these acts of gruesome violence

and it's not because they have access to guns it's a myriad of factors that need to be addressed in a holistic manner and there's no one size fits all

way that you can address all of them

but i never said that we need to not talk about guns you're completely misinterpreting what i'm saying and what i is you're taking guns out of the equation you just did never again you just i you just you like you're saying that oh ok so some gun reform but anyway let's talk about bad brains let's talk about the bad brains listen troubles being a contrarian isn't

fun if you're not actually addressing what people are saying right you if you're just repeating things like that isn't addressing anything that people are saying then you're just making gaslighting me

i'm going taxaer but i want to asre you too is trying to say something to me earlier

let's let him talk

yeah

i was just aar saing to get jackson if you keep talking about of know issues right and they point to like the letas and then you immediately assume it's the ovi skate is just people that it aing i'm just as so if you assume talk i'm talking aout so if you just immediately assume that they're talking about jews the being intesimic

that is what

in my opinion proliferates the most anti semitism because

if we actually want to be serious

british has been very very influenced by

youre very many global institutions global thin ideology have been terrible like fascism for example like it was the

it was m i five who funded musolini like right yeah i know americans had a whole lot of issues with i think i on you lites infecting the the well of you know

the american people and just

people all over the world

this isn't a far fetched idea that you're trying to paint it us this is a very real on i think i think i go i think i go wanted to respond w

can i but i le let i go cours then you could respond

thaty

ok i feel like

so were you trying to call out i'm sorry was it wordy

for just checking if the person was you know

uh alluding to uh j q shit

you really want to jump in on this conversation a could le her would let her go ly to respond you think first not

huh

i'm sorry

are you sure you want to jump in on this thing because talk wordy to me is taking all the blame all the heat

for what you did bringing the jews into this who did but nothing and nobody brought the jews up until you did did what i apparent globals is a very common way the people say jews i think that what thing on he was already talking about the british monarchy being ok while you see the problem it shows that you know people you knows you was a he

i can i can i i h you wordy already gon go ahead and then s and so he was saying the latish empire ok

wait i've i've i' sorry i go uh if you want to go

um no i just want to say like if you've been and i think i've seen you around on panels

if you've been around panels

on twitch general area there are a lot of fucking

straight up

nazeiz

ah that are not even

uh not even doing dog whistles they're just straight up saying it so i think it's complete i think i know it's completely fair and it is extremely sus when a third party

interjects to be like actually wait

and beard

that pst no science no sign i just this is just that this is just a check ok when i just want to get down to specific already mentioned the

well he first to mention the british empire one warge that that's why i was asking

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ok guys continue

this the idea of this family right

house of winsor sex co go right n whoch i one point did like twenty five percent of the world

the idea that they are not the a global elete when they still uh

you know

i claim sovereignty over many places over the world even today right canada

i thank god barbadoes declared actual independence recently but

the house of winsor british uh

the british monarchy and whatever

all they all do play a very central role in the dictating thedia

and happenings of this world the british monarchy is one of the most relevant groups of people in the world honestly if you're going to talk about the pice of ps consading that not even the we only only just ons we they wanre thinkre funding the h progenitors of european fascism

oll not we don't want to get too much off topic but pestimes do you have a respond to why the devil ever told was that he didn't exist

the greatest lie that ever ever devil ever told was nothing because we're stupid enough to say whatever we want

what the listen lessen listen the only go shooting listen

global here is my sis rank ok that's that's the gly here answer right now

you know

but that was thse spirity not

m

we

go

do you think

are you ok

the people that

tried to we t around i can barely see whoever is talking but

you know the ones that don't

specifically want to answer the question do you think

that

uh jewish the there's like a

i don't know jews are involved somehow

who is saying sheust keeps trying to know he ares claar i he arey claar ieric in the world bring the jewish people into this ok ok let's so let's let's say let's stay on you desire to a b let's stay on topic utalzed for like almost millennia at this point

i went on throu

just let's let's stay on topic a little bit so guys

we're here we're talking about the ross oxford

school shooting hs very close to home

and you know it's not that far from me where i live

and it's i'm i'm a resident michigan her parents are

absolutely terrified and panicking and they want to see an outcome

it's going to reassure them this kind of thing isn't going to happen again

what do you guys say to those parents

you know haz i really liked your your performance with hake and how you didn't let him like

just end the stuff on the slavery claims so i just think that everyone should

ah

say whether or not they think that

there's a jewish can i go the thing is is that

i wouldn't bring those people on the panel if i thought there was anti semitic people here i would not have invited them yeah but sometimes people off you skate stuff so we got to make sure i ok thats th ps do you believe in anti semitic theories

no i'm actually a flyo semite which means that i actually love the jewish community and i think that

you know

they are very

their part of our tride as americans they came to escape the british the british empire

in the nm of whatever listen now so the greatest thing you just made normal ri so what about you it i the other guy was a too what about you a you do you

subscribe to belief in conspiracy theories about jews or anything like that

i don't think there's a jewish elite

that's is running the world i don't believe in that j q that i'll believe in that stuff

and the just trying to the com

constantly bring the jewish people into the

conversation about a very reallit on this world is one testy ok tak ok tk listen listen i agree i agree it's being brought up right but it would be very quickly over if

you just like if you just said

o obviously i don't believe it's the jewish people right and then everybody would be oh okay and then we can just the reason why we're having this discussion is because we're not just saying oh okay it's not the

jews are controlling the world right

and then we can move on and talk about the actual issues

you have no thought at all you just can't hold on to e to making an explanation that's more than like five words long

nobody wants to talk about the problem aus they around i do you know we're going to we're going to let we're going to let charm wll talk about doxity gun culture and whating be done alwayss has to come from a jewish person

good night

i just want to clarify right i was not attacking you i was not attacking you right i me there's no there's no bood bad blood like i was i was attacking itch i was just making a pragmatic argument right next time people bring this up just say

no i don't believe it should use and the i iight is that we don't have to go through this entire thing again

kation so much let's s

let's so charmhole what can be done about this toxic gun culture you're talking about

so again for the millionth time

the toxic part of gun culture

is talking about

though

horrific power that comes with owning and shooting a gun

and talking about anything else

everybody here would rather talk about anything else and while i agree with

stuff that pesto says

he still doesn't want to talk about

what the actual issue is which is the terrifying power of a gun it is about putting it on a gun saye you poisoning

we've alreadybly please

we've literally already addressed this we said put the gun in you you're a want to be moderator we just shut up

you have no fin i mean you say i'm going to address issues if we li run a moderator again you me talking about me i mean if you can can we please talk about interrupt maybe get off can you please talk about gun culture 've been talking about gun no you're not

will only say put the gun in a safe

because it makes it harder for him to access that's will be assing the entire time

what

it isn't oh ok so the gun just is in a safe so now mass you yah it's harder fifteen year old to access on g

if it's in a safety le's just keep repeating the same stuff liberals repeat and say all the time the mass media keeps telling itus o pens wantt i mean ight what it really seems like is going on is that you keep discussing and bringing up this notion of toxic gun culture and don't interrupt you let me finish

and

some of us on the panel who you claim to disagree with are saying we actually do support certain gun reforms

but we can also recognize that

in the case of even this shooting

a the gun reforms that are in place or that could be put in place

will still allow for them to be violated in you know massacres in school shootings to be carried out

so we recognize that

gun reforms aren't the end all be all and you have to address you know more deep rooted issues that are actually causing people to commit these acts of violence

but the but the last thing the last thing i'll say is that

sorry one second

the last thing i'll say is that the

you know i think you should just like listen to people because some of us don't necessarily disagree about the fact that

you know gun reform is needed j zario dario dario coold with the alcohol

remove

jackson hit on a lot of true and it's orange juice is orange juice

unless prmel unless you like really believe in abolishing that second here

completely revoking people's rights to have guns

then just

you know repeating this issue of like toxic

gun culture over and over again doesn't really

solve anything

jg charmill actually stepped out

yeat you you were talking to nobody there but

i understand that i just wanted to say it for the record

ok so guys

where do we stand as far as this thischarge against the parents of manslaughter

is this a just charge or is it an unjust char so we are actually going to take it from the top starting with icho banded charmel

all the way through so starting with ichol what do you agree with this charge or what do you think

i definitely think they should at least be charged

and then you know

see how it goes

what about you bena do you think this is a just charge or

uh i i really don't know the the fact like uh to what extent like uh that they're responsible um

but like if if there was negligence the probably should be some sort of like a

accountability for that

although i'm not sure how works in america

so unfortunately charmhole and negligent

has stepped off so we're going to skip him

arrio what what do you think

yeah i actually i actually want to make a make a

hopefully a cohesive argument as to why i don't think it makes sense to charge them maybe find them

uh maybe so the issue is to me is when i be caause i'm very big pro rehabilitative justice right and i don't think charging them just to

punish them

makes any sense when you look at like in a rehabilitative manner right so so i'm not interested in punishing anyone i just want to prevent these things from happening in the future

but if you want to talk about negator you can find out the details without charging them right

so

ah what

oh what about you dylan what do you think wh can i just finish yeah sense ihead finish finish yeah so so so i co

the only thing that my mind

is if there was evidence that they specifically like encouraged it

right so if they if they encouraged it in some way or like said hey listen you fucking you should

your classmates or pieces of shit or whate like if you could find evidence about that sure that would change my mind but if it was negligent behavior that could have been seen from like the school or like from the counselors or friends or anything right then i don't think it makes sense to punish the parents because i don't think that prevents these things from happening in the fu if you want to find them to help them like take care of the families

some stuff or whatever that might be fine but i don't think like jail time or

k i'm or even suggesting a punishment it's just a

hachrde

and all what charged m with

they're being manslaughter aren't they

yeah but that's what

but but that that that would be jail time

no not necessarily it depends on like

depends this is just rush like peop

it it would

they figure it out but i'm saying that if you don't charge m with anything then

them what they were the end of the line they were every uh the the fucking school informed them multiple times like

so let me a let me add some details so apparently ha there's maybe some missing information

apparently according to some reports

but

ethan was actually gifted

the gun

by his father

on his birthday i believe or something

but he apparently that was his gon

i don't know if you guys heard that or

like a recent birthday

i'm not exactly sure but that's that's what i've heard

if that's the case i you todly be charged

ah i don't i don't i think it was on the news

but wait mins i mean and obviously

uh depends right i mean

if

they weren't negligent in other ways then it doesn't matter that they bought the gun people buy guns for their kids all the time like my parents bought me a gun i have like

are they as culpable as this guy's parents i haven't hchuten up a school yet but are we going to wait for me to shoot up a school or are they already

bad raising school shooting kids or having bought me a gun

before like so

issue the issue for me fundamental soar you gota wrap it up because we need we need i'll wrap it up so so fundamentally for me the issue is what are we trying to do a charge right are we trying to prevent these things from happening in tim or are we just trying to punish the parents because we think they did a bad thing right

i don't think charging them in any kind of

i don't think judging them in any kind of way is going to prevent them from

raising a kid to be a schoolshooter in the future right because it's so rare i don't think

parents intentionally do these things right so any kind of charge would just be to punish the parents and i don't agree with that like in principle i don't think that's a good idea so blay what about you

yes so i think that if it's the case that they gifted their son that gun especially recently

with all the signs that he gave about being mentally unstable including things that were really readily available

just that picture we talked about before i think it's safe to say

especially it seems like the parents weren't even around at the time re doing a great job of raising their child

i think they should be hit with some kind of criminal negligence charge maybe a fine

a large fineor may be a short sentence in prison

because the

th

i feel like they do have a large role to play in why this happened

so jackson what about you

oh wait me i think it's yes're what's that aricle

breaking one is it says

uh

the

ethan crumbley's mother texted him don't do it

yeah

oh a

oh that was known before the panel i read about it so i can

thanks anonymous gwriters so

so jackson sorry go ahead

think we have all the evidence that's been brought forwd that will be brought forward throughout

you know the potential prosecution of the parents so

i think it's

too early to speak on whether or not they should be found guilty

that'si mine

the relevant crime isn't

the

the kid went and he killed people

the parents

raised him they didn't

see it coming they didn't lock him in his room the relevant crime

is with the people who have been running this country and denying

everyone in michigan and in the united states a future to believe in and an understanding of human beings

that is

positive

the relevant crime is that we no longer

have projects like we did with j f k and f d r like no wapa and the

the c c c

for our youe

to be hopeful for and for our communities to be uplifted by instead every year people get poor

every year

people in michigan have to move out

because everything's

alling apart it's all being

sucked out by vampire financiers

in the bank of england

to just recycle into

new bullshit

what the problem isn't that we have a green new deal instead of the c c c instead of the world land bridge

that's the main problem if you put these kids building the world land bridge kids would love to have a future they would look and they wouldn't be just

no hope no future my life is miserable i'm going to be suicidal now and i'm going to

kill myself with other ways i'm going to cope with drugs or i'm going to lash out with a gun

instead they're going to be helpful they're going to think i'm going to be an engineer in the future i'm going to go to the moon and mars and industrialize it

i'm going to build a land bridge i'm going to dig a tunnel to siberia

as what is hapening what it would want to go and have a gun would be doing that

everyone wants to go to space

when they're a kid and then they grow up and they realize they can't so they decide they want to be a killer

we druggi

or gamer

bars

a killer a drug rightamer

problematic pan what about you

um

i i agree with jackson i think it's too early we'll learn a lot of stuff on the child later i think it's possible that uh we should blame the parents if they had really um done a really bad job like for example

if it comes out that uh

they had full knowledge h that their s son uh

was talking about school shootings and made steps towards having school shootings before it was too late and they bought him the gun anyways after that like

um obviously then they should be held um negligent i don't buy this whole thing where we have to say

oh well it's the entire world's fault well

unfortunately we live in a country of like

hundreds of millions of people there's going to be some bad people no amount of good policy can ever stop

you know we can't just stop this at the source we need that policies in place to prevent stuff like this from happening we can't just say

oh well under my communist utopia everything's going to be so perfect

that nobody wants to uh

ever do a shooting ever because unfortunately with so many people someone's going to want to do that and we need to

uh we can we should start from there i think um i think maybe his parents should be held liable maybe not

ah but yeah

ah were do you go ahad

yeah um

for the most part is i do think there's possibly some little sus stuff but you know like it's all like hearsay at this point so we have to like wait for the information to come out

um i will say in response to like hope pestos like people running the country being vampires and everything you know what's great the build back better plan you know we just passed the infrastructure bill we got

infrastructure investment we're going to get more jobs going so you know what

butu the drawll this shit

hey little man

if i can get good stuff for anybody that makes me an anarchist cool cool cool better stuff better it doesn't

andll right so to be to be fair we we don't want to change the topic but

since you did bring that up to pestolmeime in response to him i'll give pestomeime a chance to respond

guest are you there

bill back better

you believe what biden is telling you build back better

we just pat the childho tax credit cut child poverty in half for bunch of tax cuts for kids why are kids why are kids paying taxes why can't families gts are taxes their parents are paying taxes s their child taxes so they can cut it off better so like are you literally this stupid

i don't want to give tax cuts to kids i want to give money to kids out that they can spend it on education and have tax not to the parents so they can give money to the kids it's like a no brainer dude

build back better you know biden doesn't want to build back better biden's an environmentalist

right biden wants to

cut back if you are ready to build back better n liketer bill o poserll wants to t down ready

have you read it

i a rerid

no because i

have you read that

yes

oh you haven't i literally went to the proposal of joe biden i did it on my show you can watch youtube videos dude literally he's done

no yeah intom you tell me the society is healthy you reading bidens b back betterll b well you haven't read it yet that youre red to dum w right the you know because i don't i have value for my time and my life

you have value in your timing is likeing like

i don't know somed freanch red whatever butan all american and have his staffers fill a page with that he's not going to care about anyway because he doesn't even remember it you think by didn't read that plan and you read that plan to ten people tuned in let me let me ask you a question what was the last time you read somebody that wasn't already dead

i've read people that aren't already dead a lot actually i read a lot of people in my magazine that everyone should subscribe to called the executive intelligence review a lot of living people with good ideas and good proposals for america write in that magazine right there

and if you don't have the money now you can read the archives going back up to pretty recently

at larouche pub dot com so i bestre you are you saying the build back better plan is

and to call biden alive is a bit of a strech ah let's let's keep this between pesto and wordy so pesto are you saying the build back better plan is

insufficient or what are you saying about it

it doesn't address

the real problem that's happening in america right now that's been happening for a while the hyperinflation that we're facing

that hyper inflation is happening all over the world to america isn't justdy let m

i didn't hear what you said

hyperinflation

it's happening all over the world

yeah it is anything all o with the world because we live in a global system

yeah some that's why you want to deal with mo what is the ansser currencyation the question i what's the world conser good for them a little bit reser like so if we have inflation

they're going to have inflation too because they're goy like back by our currency and that's why we have more inflation than they you can't just say thisscount this is a global problem it's a i treal one out of time

i'll give you the solution to inflation if it's a separate issue

you need to reinstate glass steagall

that how would that like help arn

ok so you i can realize that inflation is the pro in the

in comomplete meeting between supply and demand so we're dealing with supply crunch issues right now so if you really want to deal with inflation it's not it's not the issue of more spending it's more of how you deal with the supply demand issue

we've had a lack of supply

so what you want to do the buildback better so people can like have better access to means ok so like this is just like

a basic set of like

thought process

tal we i is sort way guys shut up for secontt shut up shut up for secon guys

jut up es rouhe're not going to find it there you're not going to find it on wikipedia

where philip cross can tell you everything he wants to with no backing

on everyone shopper side

i ca can you on shut up for second show this ssuck upuk i ca can you can you please not pull up like images and because i don't know

if it's a like you know what i mean i don't want to be surprised by i was i was right but

call

you know go go ahead do you want do you want to say anything or

oh no uh the middle part person um yeah i was right about being like hey you're kind of a fucking suss

oh when it comes to anti semitism and and i i but but listen be be careful be please don't put pages on your screeno because youre wak up yeah yeah don't don't put pages and stuff because there could be like swastikas and and things that are not allowed on twitch you know i apologize i

yeah yeah i wouldn't want another culture yeah know you have to be really careful you know because i'm responsible for all that

soing up

anyway pestl you can wrap up what you were saying to wordy r wordy you can

rap we're say i'm just saying is word seeling like poverty and if people are feeling exacerbated by their society and economic issues

you have things like the build back better plan so it can like help improve people's lives so like that's just the basic like logic

do

pistol andy response

alright you make it

but causes inflation it is not this wh supply and demand stuff what what

it's causing the inflation right now is the complete cannibalization of our productive economy

in favor of

and completely non productive

magical money thinking of this

and empty stuff they're trying out but the problem with i don't e bills riy to gt ab to your own problem excuse me

is the environmentalism this green stuff this this renewable it's not renewable it's not renewable energy what it is is

non reliable energy

it doesn't produce as much as the energies that we need

why is it that all these environmentalist types who say we need to get off coal and all this they're also the ones who are saying we need to shut down these power the nuclear power plants across europe and america

that's therecause it is because these environmentalist types these anti nuclelar types who say oh it's for the environment they're being funded by the same s people who not allt the money from the oil companies not all or not all environmentalsly

um oh ya banned it uh

i just want to say something like

a buildback better from what

from what

bill bck better from what

these people have been around for forty years they destroyed everything

and now the they're supposed to like build they're doing better things now like b have a ne for that

uilding back now

look at texas look at the blackout in texas it happened no wt go the real ining about bt a bunch of

everything throgh liberals ok theo way wen actually have to say that pesto pesto the texas blackout was caused by an a

polar vortex that never would have gone so far south if it weren't for global warming like it would have been historically moavism literally

global warming sist don't back you up on theirs yes theyll do i literally not e say that are crazies there cultists

who took what a couple of scientists said a couple of scientists said that they had a theory about global warming right and then people took it out of

proportion they made their own cultu around it and they stopped listening to the hirer ok well start i don't disagreess i really thiss i get to get rabit as might get otn right but city we were about the wrap up the topic anyway so be this is that this is a closing part of the topic we're about the wrap it up anyway

but does anyone else have anything to say

about this topic

surrounding

the oxford high school shootings the causes around them how to prevent them

anyone else have anything else is really quick just gasing statements

all gunshootings all mass shootings any of that shit

put the parents in prison and if there aren't any prisoner parents

put

people they know specifically who deal with any kind of gun merchantry gun selling gun trading

threaten them with prison to state violence

passive state imprisonment

it's scary it works

ok so

here's what we're going to do

i band it you have anything

ya so uh effectively like we need uh there there has to be like a feeling of community that is brought back

there has to be

a broader societal and economic reform

and if the parents knew about the fact that message was sent

later after i made the my statement if they knew that like the kid was going to go and commit like a crime

the they should get proross

i we are actually going to wrap up that round and we are now going to vote

would you keep

not

kick the audience you are going to vote

for who you preferred the most

i going to spam the link right now

vote do you want to keep not kick

and then the champion the winner is going to choose from the bottom to who to remove

and i ask the question how long is this going sorry how long is the shotdown going on it's going to go ti it's going to go until we have one remaining royal winter but that first topic is going to be the longest one so the next topics are going to be much shorter i mean i have like

oclock in morning yeah wre do you ve waging arkansas really imagine right abarve youmor yeah i'm thing like this the time we probably have like we have we probably have like another hour and a half of the showdown something like that you know so

when a vote would keep not ick guys eep not gd holy shit j

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thank you thank you ms bernieppreciate you next week holy fok reaper the creep holy fog what is all this what's going on reaper with the ten class analysis with the five burnie with the five i could barely keep up guys holy shit thingk you so much we saate you so much guys

go with the five what extra radical for twenty with the with the ten holy five guys ely shit you blew that train out of the water what the far thank you guys so much we are up we're going to wrap up the oting in thirty seconds

guys thank you tank you thank you so much thank you union thought thank you so much for the ten holy shit breezy thank you so much i'm sorry if i missed anyone really guys giveing so much thank you so much we have thirty more seconds to vote guys we're going to wrap it up

ok it looks like a right it looks like the voting has been concluded

so at the bottom two we have dylan bay

and problematic pan

and at the top we have pestomine so pestomine

between dylan bay and problematic pan which one do you want to kick

dylan

you should have known better

should have knowne better than to try and against me than to try and come against r t s d

on today of all days ting

yeah i will not on your stay for now because i

i don't know

you kept your head on i can't judge you

because you haven't put any stuff out there for me so that i've seen too much of you don't so seem too much of you i don't want it

ok so dylan unfortunately this is an invitation dylan you come you read you read our stuff you educate yourself you go to the rouge pub dot com

you go to the larouche organization website

you go to the website of our candidates who are running

for office in texas and new york

then you send me a message and bless the best of my wt these ideas thats the my so he's got a experience he's going to want to tell a technical sonic attack hold on so dylan unfortunately you have been eliminated by pestol mine

um do you want to have a concluding musical overture

yes of course of course and in response to pesto mine decision allow me the guitar i

techical sonic attack

a so so we are having a a sonic attack

being deployed against

pistl mim

for his decision

this is literally like internet war crime oh my god

had to get the guitar

let's gd bhones off

oh my god

this one's for all of you guys

you can take my place

f we don't listen

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ight that's enoug that we can't we cannot that's that's enought that that's the pocket that that is not a pocket that is not a l that is

absolutely not allot on the on the panel i

that is not a lot of o so sonmic better is that

ok yeah

that is absolutely not allowed o that's

we okay so

dylan blaze you could have shot it i just and i don't know if you can he can come classl singing absolutely not

aloud

right

that yeah that was that's just a lowki tanner

all right so here's the thing guys we are going to shift gears to the next topic

we're going to shift gears to the next topic one moment

ah hold on me get the moqs to make a new poll

the next round

ok so we are shifting gears and this one's going to be much shorter

so we're going to move to shorter rounds

are no less importance

so recently

alorado republican

laura

bobert is that her name

um

she recently made supposedly islamophobic

remarks against ilan omar

referring to

ah referring to

ilan omar as

i'll read out what she said so she said and i quote so i was getting into the elevator with one of my staffers you know

leaving the capital go back to my office

ah and i can open it like i look to my left and there's ilhan omar

and said and i said

well she doesn't have a backpack we should be fine

she she referred to

she referred to ilhan

if since i'm muslim do it is it allowed that i can just give you guys permission to laugh or am i not i don't know what i don't know what my rights are

but she's

old dario

wasn't great

yeah i don't know w i don't know where i swear be sucked up to left of the but it but you know sd on she also called

she also re called

so she

she was she made remarks in support of gohsar in which she called omar

the jihad squad member from minnesota

and

um

so the consul for american islamic relations

called bobert's remarks disgusting

m

ilhan omar has called for nancy pelosi

and republican

the leader kevin mccarthy

to take appropriate action in penalizing herd some somehow

so i this is not a topic we can doll dwell too much on but

want to let you guys know i

was is what lauren barbert said is it is it out of we have to stay within t us but

was your remarks out of line

or was it just a joke and people are taking it too seriously or was it really serious

should she be penalized what should happen as a result of these the

hisse remarks about ilhan

oh more i first can i just say my entire family is muslim so fuck you guys ok we were literally killed'

b my family livet it to be clear is there ario has the pass apparently i actually don't know how it works on which i'm muslim too but

i don't know if we still have rights or what's going on

but i'm laughing i'm laughing because it was actually disgusting that she said i've never heard that before this is the first time i'm hearing it actually disgusting and this is the first time people have attacked the omar like this i don't know it's insane that people actually like see things as politician

it's like it's off season it's at a t season right now looks to the whole reason she doesn't get herself involved in any

a criminal activity were like sheep

just the fact that she was muslim

is the reason why the

people are coming out of for this which is like the most terrible thing you know like

you were ignoring i mean i only agree with their political a

things sho's done but

people are just ignoring the fact that she's just a law abiding citizen that's given you know basicallyr entire life to the united states

she came into the united states you know she's not like

you know

sh she's literally just coming in serving the people the best she can you know it like in the

as much as the american government allows right so the just her being forced to

either majurity problem isstinly

people have been intretly anti fucking islamophobic against thehomre like fucking saying she married her cousin like all kinds of crazy shit so aally say that it it doesn't open a question though i mean

i don't know i don't think anyone here agrees with with the comments or would make those comments but

is ilan omar making too much outrage over it is it just you know

a l absolutely what americans fail to realize here

just real quick is that

it's all propaganda for itself

right i believe she's the only muslim american in congress right

so like this

this controversy is propaganda for

more muslim somebody told her part of the jihad squads like it doesn't even matter if it's proba ok listen by tonight you have a fundamental misunderstanding of propaganda oka

propaganda works both ways and the fact that we're tking aboutn't matter if it's propaganda here o gover go over rightan ok

for ml yeah i out far like no so using my brain ok again again the reason why everybody's talking about it is for ilhan bobers on her way out she's most likely getting redistrict anyway she doesn't give a foot

so in order to help her twitter a coount and help ilhan omers to her right get more followings get more peeps on them tweets right

is

because it's fucking edgy like everybody knows edgy shit and that's the game that's the fucking game theory right there i sa because the's sy talk about because they don't want to talk about the know in maxwell trial i don't think i think this is post nine elevenba you you know that so but ingrained in so regardless stand on her comments

do you think this topic is somewhat a distraction from

some of the shortcomings of the squad's performance or what

does anyone have anything to say on like

how it what about regardless of the comments being justified or not is like

is is is too little attention being focused on scrutinizing ilan omar and other squad members for

thank you

i mean there are things that le i let i ca go then problematic pan and then i want to hear from jackson and pestl

thank you has i

what about my r t s g friend bandit

yeah but bend it can go to

okay

um

you should criticize the things

that uh ought to be criticized in your opinion right

and but also

the and the islamophobia

all so bad

all those things are bad deal with all of them individually you can't like

compare them to each other

or even if it is like a

i don't know

a distraction from something

still

happened it still exists

and we have to acknowledge each

instants of it does that make sense

mmhmm

yeah

i'm loud and clear so

in a problematic go ahead

first and foremost i think that is problematic what are you streaming

don't worry there's nothing to you as it's a grafh that i made

i swear to god it's not t o s

what is the point

ok well i'll get you this question

you cut me oup ok so it's i don't

ilhn omar what you want me to remove it ok

sure

i mean

ok this is amazing

thank you but i'll stop streaming it since apparently it's not allowed but the point of that graph is that

and or it was a joke but it was a tasteless joke and ilhan omar had every right to be offended about it

um

in order for the this is just a joke offence to work in my opinion it has to be at least somewhat funny

the intention of this joke wasn't to be funny it was purely to signal to racist to

find racism you know inherently funy way to be fair i don't agree with the comment either but

didn't a crowd laugh at it

no lat i

i laughed at how ridiculous it was that this i'm not describ but the lor gorbch crowd so like they thought it was really funny

i mean

they might have had to so like but the reason they found it funny wasn't because of like clever workplayer stuff it's because they think the joke is that she's a muslim and ha muslim blow up funny

right

so like it's not a clever joke

it's just a racist joke

um i think lan omar has every right to be offended about it obviously as a you know a right so it i don't think lhan omar is

ag i don't like ilhan omar but i mean

that's

be honest like this was clearly done just because of her religious affiliation

it was gross i i

i don't know why bober did it maybe to get more followers on twitter i think that's probable

but yeah it's completely within theumars rights to condemn it and honestly i it's just so unfunny and so rely like it'ss crazy

so i

jackson pessa do you want to say anything about maybe is she using identity politics

the distract from something else or what about her her record is too little attention being

heade on to the adter

that so you want to go

no jackson i want to let you go first because me and bandit want to take our turns together

well i'm in a disagreement with all of you this is clear weaponization of identity politics il omar has the same exact opinion on you know the jihadis in syria that a pac does

she tweeted out that she supports peace loving people around the world who are struggling against assad's repressive dictatorship

and these so called peace loving people

are the moderate rebels that make up groups like al qaeda al nusra hyathrio al sham

which are extremist jihadist groups that are trying to take down the syrian government

s she was not a co sponsor of jamal bowman's bill to end

the the

s funding of the occupation in syria

and though i flat out disagree with what bobert said like it's dumb it's completely insulting and you know islamophobic in shit and

just all out rude

she too holds the same exact opinion on the jihadists in syria so they're really not that much in disagreement when it comes

a to jihad

ww that was definitely the point anyway i was trying to make she was trying to talk about syria

you took the words almost completely out of my mouth jackson what i was going to say

the democrats continuing

to go along with this zabig nu brzezinski project

i start with operation cyclone and all this rest of

funding funneling money into these

violent extremists

religious groups in the middle east and the muslim world

i think ober what was that she just sees the skin color of ilhin no more she sees that she's wearing covering

and she just says oh it's a

the jihad squad

the entire democratic party is a jihad squad it doesn't matter what race you are because we know where know you came from it comes from the cia

to clarify what personls say i the trainingart of the british

they were being trained by the british that's where they learned how to keep these operations going in the middle east that used to be brits playground and it's the same

play book

that's being followed by the cia and the democrat i so we're that has nothing we're going to we're wen we're going to tell this is a jihadt we got to dos an orderly way soe it's going to happen

bnd it's bnd it's going to he's going to go

then iicos going to be able to respond and then word he's going to be able to respond and then pan's going to be able to respond

so bear go ahead

ok so first of all yeah of course nobody this agrees with the comment right

it it it is uh but but i if like

if youll had homa and all these people i have a lot of problems with their

practice i think there are total opportunists and sell outs and whatever

um and the auh true uh uh like auh

socialist or a leftist or whatever

somebody who's actually committed to the cause of actually reforming society

would actually take this

and try to

specifically attack

of imperialism into muslim country the very reason why that the people thought that was funny and whatever is precisely because there's this narrative

around moslems and how they're the enemy

they're destroying the united states

so yeah against yeah you should like use that not to oh my god you're racist

i'm going to cry now because of how insulting you were

but the rather oh this is a product of m twenty thirty years of imperialism and even more

and to actually also point out

that the jihadis

people as best of mine said but also i would include even a lot of republicans there as well

that' the people who funded and created a lot of these

the fucking jihadi group supported them against any fucking ant the colonial left wing nationalist or communist movement

in the middle east and across africa

so yeah that is how you that is how you use this

to point out to actual issues and not to cry about like

oh my god somebody is racist and whatever

right

get the fuck out of here iight this so we're going to let i co go then wordy and then

pan

whath i'm sorry

what was it specifically about ill hand

the joe

is that what we're talking

well i thought you you wanted to say something because you know i just wanted to i mean

yes i think that you know

it's all the things the stuff i said before

but also um i feel like someone should check on the child that

the robot

the robot man may have

stolen

i don't know if robots can reproduce

what's going on

oh um

never mind

ah

i'll be back

okay is it my turn

yeah yeah you go in ok so obviously this is really fucking tasteless this is like really

impoor chase like you know

she's muslim it's like ok you're just doing the whole like

racism and like

islamophobia shit and like that's just like bad right

and it's like okay like

i don't see this whole bying into light

talking about how this all just relates to

like

jackson i want to specifically ask you

can you show me like specifically like if this is like a propaganda campaign can you show me like

how she like either organized it to cause boger to say that in the first place or is she just like responding

uh

did i say that it was a propaganda campaign you said you're using as a propaganda campaign in order to like

hired to likel what all the bad shit she's been doing

when did i say that

you little know i said that

yeah but like no noo i think the in what is meant by that is that they focus on these non issues they cry about racism instead of focusing

what what is the

how do you say

the origins of that race

and they support the origins of that yeah but like behavior also matters in this instance too like the whole like this is my issue it's like when we talk about ipol that's specifically using your own identity to prevent other people from having conversations on that issueright

like just because you're saying hey you you call me part of the jihab squad that isn't using it poll that s is you responding from like a ri blatantly racist state

yyes sirt

ok all right but but as a politician right

and there's somebody

as a muslim

right

your task there right is to point out why this happens

and to attak that

buter can s can do that

because of the it

hinkle pointed out a few things

right

because like what the fuck like she actually supports some of these

foreign foreign plans

of america that actually recreate and reproduce this races

andre and yeah like

i'm obviously not saying that that's what bobert was inferring that she was like

by calling her jihad squad she was like referring to elmar's comments on the moderate rebels in syria

um i don't think boberd smart enough to like be able to bring that up in a

concise and clear way or i don't even know if she understands what's going on in syria but

what i am saying is that

by omar bringing about like all this all this controversy surrounding this objective lely terrible statement and thing and

that that

that bober said and this isn't the first time she's made like an islamophobic comment

she is you know using this

as some sort of a protection from

a critique a legitimate you can you read mind finish let me finish

she's using this as protection

from a legitimate critique of people who have you know vocalized their opposition

to moderate rebels in syria these actual jihadists

to make it seem as though like these progressives that support her shouldn't question

her support for these htess can youe can you show me where she was having like ac suale wrote that down or she was communicating that was her intent can you show me that

oh yeah totally i hang out in il omar's okf you don't know i have i have the transcripts for you i'm ca order in the court order i know i don't thin have at we to go one by one i iso almost i't spokeen this topic o you go ahead

chell okay just next

i almost have sorry go ahead yeah go ahead ar

sure i just want to say i understand where you're getting at but

the thing that you just said thank jackson specifically said it was about that jackson specifically said that he doesn't think that the republican is spot enough to bring that up

right in her intent but he's criticizing

the overall political things that ihad oma does right and you can say well

and i guess if you want to say that's not relevant to a topic that's fair

i what i will say is i do think that generally politicians in the united states do spend a lot of time talking about identity politics to distract from talking about policy but that's not only the politicians right i actually also think that this applies to media even the independent media like

most people who are really big in politics in the united states actually just spentd a lot of time talking about itns politics that don

i that's that

here's my frustration oka is

jackson hainkele is

taking two points ok

you we can criticize omar all day long ok i i don't know too much about her because she's

i haven't seen too much about her so i don't pay to pay too much attention

bye

we also talk about muslim shit ok she's muslim you can talk about these two things in distinct instances

jackson hainkle was specifically hinting at here

is saying oh she's using this insult as a wage to distract from her

her own issues

if it was like

it doesn't make sense to me to try and logically connect these two

but you a link between them so so

sure so so what i what i would say to that and i guess jackson correct me if i'm wrong i don't think jackson is implying that youan is intentionally doing that

like intentionally trying to distract but rather that it ends up being a distraction from ok so we can talk about some it's like how ok let me get in my two cents here it's this is a this is a

more commonly understood similar example you could bring up

in the way that the squad for months during like two summers ago

they are all saying defund the police defund the police defund the police we support b l m whatever

and you saw them tweeting about that over and over again you saw them going on the media talking about that over and over again

and then like

a few months later

you know they're tasked with voting on this capitol police bill

and they vote to dramatically increase the bill and allow the passage of it so

it's they they not necessarily even are

like

doing this obfuscation in a way to directly you know obfuscate from

any sort of legitimate criticism of their political views

i honestly just think it's like inherent in their world view that they see these like culture issues as being more important things to talk about

than the actual issues

and the

when push comes to shove they're just like

they're weak on the actual issues they don't end up why do i'm actually you on hold on hold on let

pan will go first and then you'll be able to respond to

word he

yeah so um i i i do see what you're saying right upon omar and the squad in general have a trend of using

you know fax claims of outrage distract from the fact that they're not pushing actual policies and stuff that's cool

but

is this is this joke an example or an insanseiation of one of those

a foe outrageous things or is this a genuinely outrageous thing that probably shouldn't be condemned that probably could lead to teumanization of

you know muslim americans

is this part of the general trend that you described or is this completely unrelated be it feels like

it feels like uh

you've identified a trend which i you know i can generally agree with

but then you've connected that trend to this specific instance where i'm not necessarily sure it's part of the trend it's

i don't see how they're related

it's both

and it's related because it's both i and i did acknowledge that i said that the i said that what bobert said was completely outrageous out of line should be condemned to whatever

um

and it does you know i think it does deserve somewhat of a reaction and people should talk to it to a certain extent

but

you shouldn't be talking about it any more

than the fact that ilhan omar herself is supporting

by way of tweeting and not supporting certain amendments to prevent the direct u s aid to these moderate rebel jihadists

a these extremists in syria

okay i'm going to i'm going to say these things specifically okay

so i just looked it up corey bush omar and presley voted to take the measure down on the capital funding bill

cortez

bowman

and tlly to or whatever voted present ok so literally what you said you were wrong

they thats incorrect and here's why

by voting present

by those three voting present the present votes acted as the facto

let me finish

you don't know how congressional votes work clearly obviously you don't neither psident's votes the present votes

when

you're talking about a very close vote like that where it's a matter of one vote

if a you see

had not voted present

or whichever one voted present hadn't voted present then the vote would have failed

but because three of them voted present it passed

ok it's a houbrle but they allowed it to pass by voting present

and you didn't know that

ok youo hold on i'm having to fact check you in real time because i didn't realize we're going to be talking about this so ok

omar voted again was just for the b think it was just like if you're going if you're going to criticize omar you're criticizing her about the wrong thing she was specifically oh my god have somebst shut you someone paid five dollars to ask the question

can anyone elaborate on what it means to be offended

and when why it happens

you paid five dollars so i guess we have to answer ok well yeah that's going to beust moring ras was guy i also just want to think say the one last thing specifically you're also incorrect the house voted four hundred sixteen to eleven

their votes were so insignificant in this that it doesn't even matter

andt as a vote but not as the thing that they represented not as a message to the people of america about where they stand on mre literally said no

ay now i need i need to come in and be the one who says the one last thing because

that's just incorrect

on

the measure

surrounding the capitol police and the measure surrounding the capitol police and security increase in funding

was approved by a two hundred and thirteen

to two hundred and twelve vote it included one point nine billion for capitol police and capitol security

and it only passed due to the three squad members who voted present so o

en on fis later to proveability capitol hill already spending sp on to the deadly january sixth insurrection

you you're literally so wrong about this you' even know what you're talking about

i'm literally looking at scen in right now and it's saying four hundred sixty is a revenue

everyone's going to come into thisc aross you know you're talking i i do feel like i do feel like we should settle this between jackson and the

where do you right now

so jackson do you want to provide the article or stream it right now

yeah i mean i in a discord you could stream in the discord can you also drop the link so i can like scroll down it

n know justn look it up on you it wait wait you want to cite the article you got to send me the article this is how it can he the w we're reading it right now so i'm looking at a squat splits on capitol police funding letting bill pass by one vote

yeah i just sent it into discord too for those of you that are iterate in reading so jackson i have i have it on fll green

if you want to like to read it out police orw what it says here's what it say

for this intercept

in organ a meteolets that

usually does pretty glossy coverage of the squad

they say three progressive democrats voted no on one point nine billion in funding for the capitoal police

while au s jmalblman and rashida tolib voted present

as you can see here the measure approved by two hundred thirteen to two hundred twelve vote

only passed by one vote due to the fact

that those three voted present

so had se jamal or rashia not vote at present it would not have pass

well considering that theunion in politics whatever that one is probably is not as updated so

a different thing than i am i don't even know what you're talking a way whe you it look it looks like jackson provided evidence you have any evidence or yeah give me a second i'm not as my computers kind of shit so i can drop the link into a

discourd specifically

and yeah

gt me second

okay in the meantime i just want to say that like to me

like um

trying to rationalize whether it was cost them the vote or not if it cost them it is even worse

but like whether it did or not

to me like it's

fucking crazy that like

self pronounced and the communist

is ity with like left wing people voting for

increasing beoliece i'm not saying i'm ok with it i'm just trying to clarify misinformation more than anything

ok like omar literally said no

o ok ok can i can make a point that dosk that question you just said something i never said i never said that on omar specifically voted present

i was using it an example of the sd and i never on omar in this

example keep talking about this one and gently related thing

about the fucking money versus the other money

versus the votes

how much do they vote who cares it doesn't matter it's irrelevant to anyone who's not in the liberal n p r anglo box right now can people even hear me would p me es so we can yes wy were mentally

zoning we can we can hear you best to continue i'm trying to answer the question the guy paid money to ask i'm sorry answer answer

i wait

okay

i'm sorry i'm sorry i gota go

oh wy way wait i call does this mean you're conceding the belt

i am i bequeath it to who ever isn't the weird b guy inferd greted you and i was nice to you and i stuck around with unity didn it do you remember that

now i do

you remember that because i always been n to show you that his communityed to with you and

you didn't really know what was happening be you were new and i was nice to you

so so i thought it's you were great

we love having you on we would love for you to come on again

sorry it took a little too long a you want to shot anything out or

i'm

do a lot of weird shit

okay

now

lds i do a lot of wed shap

so i mean it's not a bad a we're continuhere as usual we're continuing as usual continue

so what does it mean ok i will clarify jackson i y way way way way i want to make sure i so there are go bills there is the there is the giving the medal to the capitol police and there's a funding i misss so rained best i will give you that i'm sorry rated in postal

well baby's just conceding what do you mean he's wording in the fuck out i get out just in a band i and i breathe like i go go baby and i bridge can i can i just have a moment to bridge the gap

can i just have a moment to bridge a gap yes gohd are you

sure were do you what do you here

okay i'm just trying to explain an obvious

you probably understand this concept but this is probably something that jackson might be hinting at

so i'll just try

to explain it in a different way so

it's very it's a very common

tactic in in politics in general right when you have a coalition you have a coalition of different people within that coalition right so let's say the squad has like six people or seven people or whatever right sometimes some some

sometimes some of those people might vote differently on a bill

because it is effective for them to specifically yeah politically advoc yees exactly exactly so but i

so it might be the case that the squad internally going to would vote no on the bill even thu because they knew that it wouldn't make sense

but but the but w the process is we've been talking about iln omar the entire time right and i can that is abm i can say to two hundred thirteen to two hundred twelve jackson heingles correct on the amount of votes ok i can give that

but we still have to acknowledge that we've been talking about her the whole time

and when you say and when she says no and you're basically trying to like hack her character

and you specifically say

she voted to support this and then i have to correct him on that it's really frustrating w to be clear arys point was really strong right the squad obviously planned their vote so that it would pass by one vote and gave the no vote so the members who needed the optical wen the most or the optical consistency the most i think that of completely fair point but right way way way can you can you tell me like how the

how they were like doing that specifically

but i don't know when they talk befores like hey we are the deciding votes sure that's a possibility but we don't know that for certain you know just are ust sure that is one and sure what happened because that's what they do on every single critical vote that

are you there or congress do you not thank the schoores is there right and wor this is part is the problem ok speculating without information we don't want there's no words their cates right but they cod do i mean they always communicate you know you know i guess that because we don't have direct evidence that george bush

made a conspiracy about w m d in iraq you know we don't have him on tape personally saying it

then we just never really know whether or not he was lying about w and d in iraq we'll just never know and say colin powell made a fake speech and since colin powell was directly under george or show will never really know dud what we have direct reports and direct like statements that's a different story than just saying oh they always collaborate to the way sold on to

so weere do you can you sum up your arguments against jackson you're so basically jackson just hates iln omar he wants to attack her character so he says she voted to support the bill when she's expressly

did not

work a vote for the bill so this whole

position butk it so jackson what are you say

come up

what i'm saying is that the

well

yeah i do hate elhan omar for her direct support for syrian jihadists

for a policy based reason and i say next topic i wantck it sounds like motivated s is any more than anyon i try top can i gt to sop in t say for a second i want to do that the same thing

it's y what

it's amazing that the service the peacekeeper what the fuck is going on ok so like h

oh

so like i think what the okmer the vote against and whatever and let's even say

let's take your argument

and say that likela up

um say that like uh um

ship

uh u that that uh oh

fock fucking yeah family

ok a right let's say that like

it's all true like they didn't even like discuss it before or whatever

great

but the point still stands that like illanomer by the way in a few instances showed more courage than any other fucking

i sqa meember i don't remember the top of my head but i was actually surprised abou the certin

but generally their job in congress what they do

right

is exactly this right what the janks jackson said in this specific case ilhan oomer

at the correct position right

but usually

usually

right

oh she doesn't have that

okay that's fine we can criticize her but for me the frustration is

when we take when we want to like connect this whole like her being called a jihadist

to her character

these things aren't con connected it's motivated reason because you're purposely wanting to like

like

instead of focusing on the actual issue

you're wanting to direct and just want to attack

her character and her decision making processes i think that's a grstration for i think i think the attack here

is legitimate it's just the example that is bad

it it's more than anything for me is it's if we want to talk about her character we can talk about a separate topic

but when we're talking about in regards to this

these things aren't connected to each other i mean i agree excit but i feel like i was going to record sr youre's always reection i want to record traight here i never said

that ilhan omar herself was a jihadess i never said that

no i never said she said that

you just said you know no no i said that youre taking her being called a jihad is as a chance to attack her character in regards her voting to say well wt to be fair word it was because i asked the question

does inh omar too often use identity politics as a coverted ist that's potential i've seen a couple circumstances where she may have done that and i don't know her the more and i just have then the answer is in this given scenario

you know

the answer is yes she's using this fake outrage about her he

muslim identity

to is it mage outrage like she got called a jihadis i feel like you like be properly outraged about that

it manufactured are describing

i do think it's overblown yeah considering the fact that

clearly she has no reason you know to worry over supporting actual jods in syria i do think it's maybe maybe maybe yre's a better way in a rice nine eleven world

maybe here's a better question

do you guys think ilhan omar selectively responds to

like criticism or like do you think she focuses to pay attention too much

to one like republicans criticize her rather than

when some may well typically democrats aren't going to do it so

wy i don't know i mean do you guys think ilan

pays more attention to one republicans criticize her than rather than

her ga criticize lookings all her jihad is or have people like marjie t and its but that but then't like the them of some democrats also like call her out for because she was against israel she's in a safe district she can say once

i think people do a bunch

there's a bunch of syrian activists on twitter who were calling out ilhan omar for supporting jihadist when she put out that infamous tweet about supporting jihadist

she didn't respond to any of them she didn't you know have any outrage or crocodile tears over that

but when bobert says that she's a part of the jihad squad then like there's a difference between people on twitter versus like perpan person in a member of chambers of congress do you think there's a difference there

i think she should be responding to her constituents in the the american people the're members of syria there aren't her constituents wres n syria or i say you're an activist

syrian activi n you real thk people i think the point is i think the point is that

ma yeaes sure it's a fake outrage whatever this was genuinely like

in very bad like it was

disgusting especially like coming from from an american or whatever

right especially you recent history but like it is infantyle outrage

right it is used for nothing

except for like

yeah yh we can move on from this topic i just want to make sure like

we're not taking it as a chance to like

randomly talk about shit that isn't even related well ho on i did bring it up so i think i think it was a little bit relevant because obviously everyone here is going to condemn

those comments on il no more but i just wanted to know is does it open up a broader conversation on

m how the media and how like

why is the media only page in so on omar when it comes to identity politics

yeah rather than

other things i think there's a fair that y ofll that's an interesting conversation we could have

what's the one we're going to have right now because you know right now ok so guysb guys we are concluding the wrondjt the debate about numbers with jackson we

we are going toize that only thing i just wanted to saything e

as to was or anything you wanted to say or conclude with

yeah i want to answer the guy's question the guy who paid you money yes it was like buying you mcdonald's

ok

a those thre me even when you sepreate mao want to explain that i didn't misremember it

acuse i just had

sort of like i said can anyone elaborate on what it means to be offended and why it happens

ok

so the think about ilhan omar saying oh my god

i'm offended by this

you wouldn't see that happen like a while ago because there has been

a new kind of

war that's been waged by these cultural

managers

in america and the squad is like

the apex

of these people

of these people trying to change american culture for the worse

what we now have is instead of people engaging in dialogue

at all

which would be that that's the solution to everything in my opinion is dialogue so that we can

understand each other talk to each other about what is the maximum

what is

the thing that all humans strive for in common and understand so we can flesh away all this stuff sweep it away instead

we got ill on home omar saying oh my god i feel offended i demand that speaker pellosi come in and take take my side on this without anything and and going on so that we can just divide and conquer as far as we can go

firelogs and the is really isn't the right

republican the democrats all going away from each other the

she is the sunni's the sunni's the sunni's going away from each other the christians the atheists everybody can just to go in and turn their backs on each other and go as far and far and far into extreme

identitarianism

way

do british twitter british imperialism a dialogue dialogue people who were not over s andk ow house of soud right the people who put those guys over there they did it because they were as far extreme as as hateful as they could possibly be so they could spread it along and make sure that the rest of the muslim world

would be divided by this crazy ideology that only a few people listen to but now the house of side gets to fund it all

right do you think we put the countl proble in there the british who put the squad in there

well you know i'll see

a o c used to work for the what's it called united states usa id usa ided know you know what you are sa ide is usa ida is a cia right she went to niger

coming over and she's telling everyone to be be a part of this this woke way of thinking where instead of dialoguing and engaging with people who do say something ignorant instead of trying to educate them now we can say there are enemy we have to be just as ignorant to them we have to reay n silly calling it theal

want what to happen

this is what is called a fightort when you al i want to ho that all the point what is true in the world want to all of our time think about how much we hate other people

kill who say something that we disagree with friend don't even know wy it condemn wich really ntel you thught the doally you know what the british there's there's a saying that they have in africa or asia i forget which if there's two dng youtt if there's two dung beatles fighting

over a piece of of of

you know what dung beetles fight over

ya

go

a the british probably picked aside

answer the ers estion to answer the ters question being offended is hearing yours this americ forn america the finance the civil war they finance the confederates because they wanted to keep us weak

in india they picked all the sides against each other

andso called my ammar i'm all right all right all right all right all right everont i want we're going to g wre after we're going we loing that shut up shut up and shut up and shut up shut up everyone shut the fuck up

we not doing

guys shot the fuk up everybody shut the f up we are concluding the round and we're going to fuck and vote

ok chat vote wh you want to keep not kick let's go

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mats keep spamming that link ps so do you think jhads blot is like an idea that people are actually fighting over or do you think it's like a fighting word it's basically an end of discussion because like there's a discussion to be had like obar was saying like oh you known't i think a policy fm syria can are you know are one cause of jihadism that's one thing but we also want to behads you're not asking to have a dialogue you're not extending like it let us have a you know

galian dialectic to term the truth about jihadism you know what you're doing is you're saying you're a bad person we're going to fight you there you're not actually wait if you leave n you sa here he is not listing well that was completely pointless look the galian dialect i think the government

somebody said i think the didn' and i am thank you monkey appreciate you man thank you open oo seven monkey appreciate you guys devoted i think the problem is specifically the point

everything why this was and it's because of american that right that that is like in order to justify mass murdergn and even before that intervening we haved to create a move of als on start p and sart off and so one se jackson check the and please

right taking can we keep talking and we keep talking or doing you sho yeah go going ok yeah like that's a perfectly fun conversation to have and that i would have been fine with fd about how islamic hohvi exist but

it was just not both the conversation pass went down the dialogue trees were just not even related to that you know i mean that is the first thing i did it was just a we going to the

it's not looking great for me again yeah all right mean we are done voting

we are done voting and the result is

jackson is the winner

and on the bottom two

we have

charmhole and problematic

han

so jackson between these two who is it going to be

yat jackson

it's a tough decision you know because

it's between charmhole and pan

yeh

it's a tough decision because

you know i have to i have to take everything into account right now you know i've already kicked charm off once before only could i could do it again

on the verke a suggestion

a

hand yes but

you haven't said a whole lot

but you did agree with me on some points

but that doesn't mean anything

as far as i'm concerned

but

i do have to reach a conclusion here

for purposes of content in keeping this stream going and having the best content possible

on

i just personally don't like cats i'm going to kick charmhole

o your piecesove on rightd ad on your bad halo thank you thank you return thank you return o great and s appreciate you

all right so hold on

charmhole it looks like unfortunately jackson has decided to eliminate you what are your thoughts

uh and

like

not thing is done

what what do you think what do you think the reasons are just go ahead we want to probe you brain a little bit

his name is merv

i charma go go ahead and shout your stuff out so get response questions

t v jramoo

ok genmal

and that's it so guys we're going to take a brief intermission and i'm going to go use the bathroom

ok

so i'm going to mute you guys for the stream

i'm going to try to be as quick as i can

and yeah so we'll be back

so one moment

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do that

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ok

so

widen has been elected for nearly over nearly a year now right not quite a year he's been in office

for nearly a year now

as bidens overall

impact if any

on the state of the u s economy been a net positive

or a net

negative is build back better a sham

or does it

forebode a promising right

and beautiful

future

show don fight

well i mean as the issue of biden right i mean as an ethiopian i think i

i have a lot of words

s on the topic because

you know the go back better is a sham right it's just to coax americans into believ in this cozy

like a neo nuw deals like helped every american get back

on their feet but what they don't know is that this is just another

way of repackaging imperialis right like even as we speak

right the united states government is

preparing to engage in foreign war

in ethiopia in eritrea and in the horn of africa in general we see intensifications of air strikes in somalia

sanctioning of ethiopian eritre which is

who are fighting a rebellion by of us back

ah

a separatist h rebels in

as in the t p le right saw all these things

are kept in the back burner for american news

but when the time comes when america is ready to intervene which

the i believe the american commander who in the base of djibouti reach is a bordering ethiopian aerchrea

has said that

american troops are the solution for the ethiopian civil war

writes all this stuff is

will

col us into an american intervention if

it's the american people

are you going to

sit back quietly

fre

to imperialism and i think goo back better is the perfect way for writing

to do so

i usually don't et people cut me off but a is my orthodox rather ethiopia ok so wa ma just a second right

um

so the problem i sen here and i too kind of spoke to it

build back better right in this infrastructure bill and whatever they started out and they were promised

as these

grandiose plans

and they passed as they passed they were reduced to reduce reduce reduce reduce reduce reduced and now they passed like

in some lake

of

you know minimal form

h compared to how they started out right because democrats usually do this they promise big but they deliver small

just so they could say that like they did something

you know justifight them being power

at least to some extent

right and the problem the main issue why

and this is something that i touched touched on before

and that to touch on now

the main issue

and the reason why americans can have like a normal

uh society and normal fucking structures and and and uh

uh stable jobs health care and all that

is precisely because imperialism america is the

biggest imperialst power

and imperialism as it spreads as it spreads all across the world

it becomes more expensive to maintain

blahla bllah

and in the meantime the local that the area

from which it stems from america

collapses it deteriorates

it like why would why didn't you have an infrastructure bill twenty years ago you needed it twenty years ago

right we know for i know since i following american politics

which is

six years ago i know that like american infrastructure is bucking garbage

i know for for the fact that you still don't have fucking he you call an ambulance

you paiy two thousand fucking dollars

right that's fucking third world in sanate

bracket

so i got

the reason why the reason why

that this is happening is precisely because

people like biden and the republicans and the democrats here are united

uh they uh want to

uh they they put

imperialism and interests of these imperials

o

h people people who spread the banking capital so on and so forth

above

three hundred fifty million people who live in their own country

and they would rather vote for a ward there is always bipartisan support

and for wars and but all the sudden when we talk about

infrastructure health care all or it's too unrealistic too crazy or that's like a

you know oh my god theyld can't do it

right ok tells you what this ise and it's gettingway we way wait wait i'm going to give an american experience

perspective here ok

btens not perfect there are absolutely issues of by in terms of some of its foreign policy

and things like the ethiopian sanctions those are actual issues we do need pay attention to

but it's not all bad either right

we talk about the infrastructure bill and like

literally we had to negotiate because that's unfortunate how it is we don't hold much of like

majority be

and like the house or the commre need do it

democrats

i mean i vote democrat doesn't matter and you're you're o you're not the best it letter ths le you stop yeah

so basically is

he's not perfect but we have to think five hundred fifty billion in new spending for infrastructure that's hellabased

and then we talk about the buildback better plan that's an entirely different bill we had to separate it out because you haved to do optics you have to do

like pragmatic stuff

but passing this we're pushing for we're getting towards it right

and like passing this would not only help

increase more access for people like

uh they reduce the uh medicaid shit they re uh get better eye care and hearing care for older people

like all better prescription drug access like

these things are

good

and we've seen the benefits through medicaid medicare and like

medicap these things do provide substantial benefit to the american people

there are issues in our country right now but we have to look at the the bining presidency right now

not what's bad and not what's been like twenty years ago

right now what is he doing right now

he pulled that out of

hamston

we

we were doing terrible there for

years and then we pulled out and just remember the

but by remembercited

trump made the deal

pull out but you know by what is by i i want to les go one a a time so first you can't we're going to y first nam now we're going to let bys we're going to let pestomim respond

and then i also want to hear what jackson has to say because i know he has something to say about this too

so best time go ahead

and say oh biden so nice to the afghan people ok why is afghan facing the greatest

humanitarian crisis in in history in the world right now

be

nobody can buy any food because their sanctions are so much and all of the money that afghan had all the money of the afghan government should have gone to the taliban because the taliban's a government now instead it's being held up in the banks the banks won't give it back to afghanistan they want to keep it in europe

by the by heping the doing crossing afghans yes we do we increasing the sanctions and what's more important is all of the assets all of the assets of the afghan government

have yet to be returned to afghanistan

afghan government currently

i turk over

that

you know what assets are you referring to mab you disagree with them

whatever the language do assets are you referring to their power

they're responsible for the afghan people now and they can't use the afghan assets because the blank assts are you referring to as an ideological difference

what as are youre vering the banks held afghanistan money

what money

the s treasury well ok

listen

so the afghan government

add money the taliban

the pre no government

ll the afan national army

like

that or not they are lose on the ok well they collaps so i'm confused here

they did collapse

they collapsed and what happened where did that where the money that they were holding in europe

it went with the corrupt business

government leaders may ran

no the governor din't take it you're you're on for this

no i think you were mistaken

the accounts wasn't under the individual leaders of the afghan government's names right it was under the country so when we throze their assets ok you know ok how i see these right now

i i he was just like very vague and nonspecific okay

so ok if that's happening

and we haven't returned it to like the people yet that's bad i will absolutely condemn that one hundred percent

t i want to get back to the crux of this discussion has not got to fight on is not returning

ok okay let's let's i think jackson has a lot to say about

some the stuff were he said about the spending and stuff with biden so go ahead jack

is it a net negative or a net positive my answer net negative

for the reasons that i'll go into here i mean everyone knows that the easiest way for the u s to actually improve our economy

would be to drastically reduce military spending which biden has drastically increased military spending

everyone knows that if we worked with china in a mutually beneficial way

that we could actually improve our economy here

and the global economy yet biden is instead moving to continue the asia pivot and continue increase warmongering against china

but what the

what word he was saying about like biden's actual economic plan

first of all the infrastructure bill you're referring to was only one part of the infrastructure bill and it was the privatization of america's infrastructure right which is

objectively not a good thing it's like me iization you t me finish you had so long i didn't let i didn't interrupt you let me finish

it's the siphoning off of public funds to private corporations

for minimal improvements to our infrastructure we all know that we need trillions and trillions and trillions invested to and to our infrastructure

yet they're only investing one one point seven trillion or some odd over like ten years

and it's got all going to be siphoned off the corporations

biden said he was going to build on the affordable care act but he's not doing that he's actually engaging in a trump era effort to privatize medicare

he said he was going to create a fifteen dollar minimum wage

he's not doing that though he did you know increase the minimum wage to fifteen dollars for federally contracted workers which was a good thing

he said he was going to repeal right to work laws via the pro act he stifled that bill as he stifled the fifteen dollars minimum wage bill

he said he was going to cancel loan student loan debt he hasn't done that he cancelled like less than half a percent of it

nationally so i say by and large no his his policies have been an abysmal failure

and improving the economy

okay way i ho on i want to let pan go but

the forepan goes

we want i want to see thes more back and forth between wordy and jackson on the stop so we do you want to respond to ok so yeah i can't factchecks not people i can't facteck everything you say in real time because i just don't have like super processing powers ok

first of on looking at the pro act it seems it went through the senate but it never passed the senate so blaming biden in terms of like not getting the pro act passed is like also a dumb idea

also you would have to show me specifically what you're referring to in terms of privatization

we're spending five hundred fifty dollars in news

the five hundred fifty billion dollars in new spending in terms of infrastructure

we were literally going to rebuild roads like literally uh there have been several reports like there's the uh the american h

engineers organization thats specifically says like that's how much like roughly we need so like we don't need trillions of dollars we need like five hundred

billy and ok

that

who's doing it

um

did i deny it was happening or did i say it's the privatization of infrastructure spending and you can you tell me specifically

who is

going to the

well you want every single contract that's been appred b knowgree for the infrastructure buill because i'm not going to do that and i couldn't do sounds riveting

yeah the point is that it's going to play ho on so so so

twilight robert patterson is showing some attitude pestel would

what at you

enlighten us

i don't know what they're talking about

so basically what's going on is that weord i don'tlook i don't look at these small news stories meant to so so the brain so wordys basically word he's been saying

that

biden has had a substantial

uh

bike

he's taken measures to substantially improve the economy five hundred billions a ton for infrastructure

that kind of thing

and jackson is saying it's not really all that hefty because it's not that much fro the grand scheme of things and also it's being privatized so

you want to interject anything or what it what do you what's your two cents

one in four

s dollars

were printed

in twenty twenty

six billion dollars were printed in two thousand and twenty there's math

truly truly imprinted in twenty twenty there's massive inflation right now and if i've been signing on to it of course

spending more money isn't the issue

ay we spend money

in american that's not how and that's not how it works that's not ho works we know through treasury what this mone don't mean we don't print money thisus mean me

we like o taxes we cl we kill our debt and no it'f not b ting taxes we buy who buys the treasury bonds

the federal reserve who just generates money to pay for this yet but they don't asking

they don't pick the mo they don't need to i'm not i know iming a moderator i know i'm a al moderator

but it's and i should be wrong but what i heard is that what it was a sort of

what i heard is that a little print pack

build the uus economy and the world economy

ll shut ofp for one second

what i heard is that they don't

printed but they issue it as digital credit like they digitally like

give it to the banks that's what i re so ok so this is how it works ok so thatasically that that's incredible has thges ever way way wayay so the federal reserve specifically

it like does treasury bonds they go into bica put it so they don'tnt new money if they instead youh wt they we my grandson use it are you done pesto i mean maybe should go to bed now

here's the thing

you're saying isy the way we're not

yeah you're like a financial you're shuddering change

this means the central bank has control

of dictating the uus

yes monetary policy doesn't cause inflation how can you say that inflation is caused directly by an expange the money it's yes it is money no no no no you said something so do no im look price price relative

yes it is because when the money supply increases it have to be on prices for objects because area taking money ons w do let moderate moderate please

over in africa over in america i went to the store the price of a tortilla has risen by like thirty percent right now

prn is more expensive than it's ever been

people are not being able to afford the food that they used to be able to afford because

before corona virus

black rock went over to the federal reserve and told m what they were going to do

this is not related is well yeah this has nothing to do with this is realate n holding everyby becaus an environmentalist

so p pesto pesto

not so guess do wordy we he saying that wordy on comesto world that isn't

that isn't part of china's sphere now because they're the only people who understand what andy s so wordy wordy

sorry pesto where is saying that the black rock are ight now they're getting to lose their headt can you shut f and listen

wordy is is saying that black rock is not relevant do you what do you have to say that

blackrocks not relevant to the united states economy

thereby that's not what i said i specifically said it's not relevant to the conversation on inflation

okay so

pan to directly directly address you

what we're seeing now is a massive rise in inflation if we were seeing

inflation consistently across all countries then japan would also be experiencing inflation although they've spent a considerable amount of money into their economy so like this the whole instance is we're not seeing a correlational effect between increasing the money supply

and

inflation so instead it is related to what i've been saying the entire time

supply crunch

we're experiencing a lates a supply shortages because people bid up the prices the supply we re have motion inflation creates the supply the supply before thefation

that's that's not true the what came before the well i think it's kind of true so what came before the supply crunch was the expansion of the money supply one of the money sply law in jobss worty please let me you don't even let anyone i'm sorry ok

okay so what happened before

the supply crunch was that the money supply was expanded which gave a whole bunch of people money but they didn't increase the amount of good goods produced by the compan becae wle you can print money you can't print actual goods

because of that

people bought the goods and they ran out because there was more money for things to be bought in future right so if you

had if you have fifty dollars

and you know they print and give everyone else fifty dollars as well

right you end up having to pay more for the same for the same object because the other people there's not an increase in the

supplies in the economy

right so the prices of this stuff goes up as a result

and it also it causes a shortage as well because a ridge at first

people don't recognize the fact that inflation causes shortages

shortages is are

company that you need to increase prices or else there's

going to be a short shortage of know the result

okay um

so

you're wrong

so i don't thugh wrong

yes you are so what happens is we are already seeing the supply crunch right at like the beginning of cob it as

tons of people lost their jobs all across the world

and then we saw like the massive shrinking in production due to a lot of covered restrictions

we gave the money and we didn't see a surge and consumption until

after the covered restrictions began to pull back in recently twenty and twenty one ok

inflation was already rising prior

it with the whole problem that comes

is the supply crunch issues we're not producing as much as we need

and that's the issuhe we're seeing the increase in prices for like

computer chips it's because

prices arecreasing because of the lack of supply

and the surgeent consumption came

like way after we starteds injecting money into the economy

well it doesn't happen overnight right for the first thing that happens that affects producer prices producer prices lead consumer prices because obviously in order to

before the prices of actual objects go up the prices of components go up so

that's why we seek producer prices at a higher rate than the consumer prices right now we those incase faster which is why we're seeing increasing inflation right now

so yes it does take some time but just to say that we didn't print any money immediately is wrong we've been prtting money for years this isn't something that just started under tup which is

or that just started under biden right like when biden took office we already had four trillion dollars in monetized debt

now we're up to eight trillion dollars right so

there was a massive printing of

four trillion dollars money monetized by the federal reserve

that is causing a biding war which is causing prices to rise and also causing supply shortages

like i don't understand why this is hard to understand this is well the problem caatmatic this is a mathematical necessity fory

no wait wait wait ok so the here's the issue where you're starting where things begin ok

so these issues were already present before we even started injecting money into the economy we were already dealing with supply

and then when we injected more like the whole um

like god that

gash checks and everything

we didn't see a massive rise in inflation and we also look at the consumer price index it did not see a massive increase relative to increasing

uh putting more money into the economy okay

here's your whole issue is your leveraging argument

on increasing money into the economy when in fact it doesn't work that way

it doesn't work that way so you can just print money and people w i don't know how you caally undertand this we're not producing enough

that's the cause of the problem you print more money and you put it into derivative bubbles you put it into financial speculation you put it into whatever and look at you know hes goly right now res completely right so basically our economy right now is completely built on financial speculation by banks and stocks were in a huge bubble and because of

the thing that popped the bubble was the covid crisis which caused a lot of people to lose confidence in the bubble stock market that we have right now

because of that that caused the pop and in order to fix the bubble pop

the fed increased money supply to try to make the markets feel a little bit but do you but i forortunately that also leads to inflation

so we're in between a rock and a hard place where either

the since the financial speculation is absolutely dependent

on low interest rates

but so fortunately low interest rates explain the money slightc we either have a recession or we have inflation so i'm noticing an interesing dynamic here is a

it's kind of strange it seems like

h pesto and

and are on different

ayles of the political spectrum

but they both seem to agree that there's i'm not on a political i said i'm go someth the fuck up

they both seem to agree that you know like

there's an issue there's something fundamentally flawed about how the economy's been working

and worthy i think you said you're in and com i'm just curious like the

did you

like

why do you

just just like from a neutral point of view like

you know it do you really think that the way the federal reserve and how money is printed and you all you think it's like a

it's all like it all works or i don't know wherere we coming out he's from

ah well i'm coming out more from like a market perspective so what happens is

we so we talk about like things like peretto distributions and like the rise of inflation

so basically is whenever supply like how much stuff is available versus like yeah de man how much people want

when those things do not match together

that's what causes primarily the rise of inflation

we can talk about like increasing the money supply plant potentially exacerbating that issue but it is not the cause of the issue what would you say to people like pesto that the supply crisis is

because of a lack of cares a lack of a

production and that

it's because our economy is too dependent on financial speculations

ll the issue comes with financial

financial speculation

i would

got leverage to guess i'm not fully informed on this portion but basically what it's i would say is

how much financial speculation is like viable is like dependent on how much resources are actually available

so if you're seeing a supply crunch

i

so i i'm probably wrong but i'm just going to give my theory here

so when you have like less resources available due to production issues

that makes like how much you can speculate probably a little rougher

because well i mean in the economy has be what do what do you have to say about that because

in't know i heard that

maybe i'm wrong like that speculation has actually increased a ton

actually

since you know so i don't know how much that makes ps but you have anything to say or

es yes what we need in america is a national bank

we need to

ake reined in control

these

speculators because bankers left on their own they don't work for the physlical economy they don't work for the well being of anyone

all they want off for is numbers go up by any means necessary

at the expense of what the numbers are supposed to be representing at the expense of the value that people are getting

that i think that's doesort have a rational bank that goes and funds infrastructure to increase their productive capacity

in america we used to have this

in america the chinese learn from hamilton by the way the chinese are american patriots over here we've we've been taken over by british patriots basically who believe in adam smith

where was adam smith from

it was from the british isles

adam smith

win around telling the world

is economic

whatever theories and marks listen to them too he's you know

been corrupted by that too that's why are s socialists wo st a little bit has

adam smith

brought his economics based on his

idea of humans as animals

that

adam smith believes that every decision humans make

is the way an animal like a cow

would

how is moing related

his physical instinctual pleasures

and avoid his pain right

and i increase my goll rounds and that's like not s cathedrals and makes great art and everything

and improves society and creates inventions for the good of the children of the future right is just because he's like a cow

and a cow understands this as well and

if they were maybe just a little bit

i don't know what it is reing the difference is that humans go and plan for the future and humans go and create beautiful things it's because we're different and we need to plan for the future that's what makes us unique from cows if we start accepting the idea that humans are cows we're going to start accepting the ok let's rerain in a lttle b let's rain a little that's right thecing the whateveru

for the future people insta that makes the saven re and use

but we can' dor best o ture

comes from completely commanded are you places at once because i feel like its miest thing why i do how long and you guys all pretend like youble ok ok so we're going to reat i want to return a little bit to the topic i want to i want to is go is gone haywire sd with the nt we're going to conclude the round very shortly but i just want to have one more go

i want to have one more go talking more about

is biiting an effective politician is has his

work as far as the u s economy been effective and i want

jackson and wordy to to be able to

voics or maybe dario too if you wants voice their disagreements on this topic like

has biden within his abilities performed well or

is he serving special interests in handicapping himself

is biden justified in blaming the republicans or is it his own fault

so i want jackson to start and then i want wordy to

why do you ignore me house why do you ignore me

as you already spoke becs you're tun into places that no no i want to hate them that that because we're ight we're wrapping it up we're d

they destroyed my country when i haell go ahead tk what is theking away like republicans destroyed a lot of countries too dude

yeah i know but the democrats no one didn i rera here's what i'm going to say

biden is extremely ineffective at alleviating the economic pains of the american people right

he's extremely effective

in serving the interests of his corporate donors right

the as we discussed i mean the

he said he was going to build on the affordable care act yet he's actually engaging in a trump era

efforts to privatize medicare in this country

he said he was going to increase the fifteen do the minimum wage of fifteen dollars if he was an effective leader he would have done that but he let a meaningless parliamentarian get in the way of it

he said he was going to pass a bill like the proact to repeal right to work laws and to help unions strengthen in the united states

it passed the house from what i understand in the senate but i did it just never get signed into law wenever never made it through the senate

ok so if he's the leader of the democratic party and the democratic party controls the senate then he needs to be an effective politician

and leverage his power as the leader of the party to pass the bill

he said he was going to forgive student loan debt albit not all of it but for those of the

the american people who are making

up to i think like a hundred in

thirty thousand dollars or something and he hasn't done that he's and he could do that by executive order he could give all even mine whatveennting i'm almost done just shut up

and worst of all worst of all he's increased the military budget

and he's further isolated us from the number one economic powerhouse who we should be working with in a mutually beneficial relationship

china

your t

uh

okay so

bidens not perfect

but he's done some massive good things for the economy he's

incorporated the childhod tax credit he's been able to get the infrastructure bill passed

he's like leveraged his position like this whole argument of like privatization i don't know where you're getting that from dude it feels like maybe if you want to listen to jimmy dormore go ahead but like

we understand is like

he's pushing for this bill and if we haven't passed the bill yet then we don't have any demonstratble way to save it's either being privatized or publicized so it doesn't make sense to make as any nver sas you w pushed for this bill they aassed the infrastructure bill

they did not that's the human infrastructure bill they haven't as the bill back beter bill i want to be pedantic to you for once would he do you have any evidence that joe biden pushed for this bill

he's directly said i on his front page i support the build back better bill like his website

yes

how are you going to it the keyboard

wy

he also said he increasing the minmum on he's been writing ro on getting you alls he's pass it doesn't make sense to shit on him everything he hasn't got in ash yes it's the first year of his presidency give him a boy can you explain to me how you how you' the an economicright yeah he was trying that's why you's trying to get the jobe better not not if you

and he was trying it just pass the how why can't he leverage power within his own party to pass bills

he says he supports like the bil better act which is his own agenda

like a fifteen dollar minimum wage

or

like the pro act why can't he do it

he just got the infrastructure bill passed that is to not placewass

w we're talking about the economy i ask you a question

thats no question

like

you claimed like at the start of this whole panel you were saying your anarchist beliees w reaffirm

h

why are you voting for the democrats

because i we a we are a to a to we havet we have to wrap up the round we're going to wrap up the round right now i'm going to get the pull right now

wece youve odds of made it

okay so the mods have made the pole

and we are actually going to vote guys vot to keep not kick

the way this one's going to work is it's going to work the same as before

except this time i get to choose someone to kick

based on just my own i'm going to like do like a coin toss pretty much random sortman right of who i kick

so basically we're going to start voting now mods only to spam this link and keep spaming it we're going to give it two minutes two minutes to vote who to kick and yeah are we able to cosing take on this no we're just going to we're going to we're already past the

way past our schedule so we're going to we're going to go into lightning rounds it's going to be double eliminations from here o titing and i see oh wow now i'm getting kicked off n we need like an actual con

but all you have a ot the i mean like all considering it's either vote for nobody or ot at all i'd rather vote for democrats because they at least like help push things you know i mean people we wes got the infrastructural have the tida credit pushing effect the bill

and it directly helps people g save it talk about anything else but politics in this periodterature

we're almost done voting god you've got twenty more seconds so if anyone wants to get in those votes we have twenty seconds remaining so pster where do you get that lifestyle would you get that jacket i heard had bleectrosm sto wait is he fros no he

i voted for wor thank you ca me to comll me well i call myself call i call myself a communist just the problem i don't think we can actually have right jackson check your dm it's a philosophy like i want to know know i think the problem i think the problem in america is specifically is that everyont shut the buck upward

do voting

thought

so on the top

we have

jackson is at the top once again

the bottom two our ti are ed to and dario

so jackson who are you going to be

kicking

i'm tied with thates double elimination

your tight it shows me at the bottom so

i like the way

ok we're dario

dario in ad to

okay so

pick

daria and i did go back and forth a few times last

last debate so

you know i have i have my reason i have my reasons to want to kicke you

but at two i liked what you said about ethiopia but you've been so quiet you need to get more engaged so for that reason content reasons i'm going to have to kick you but i wish you

i wish you nothing but the best i wish you'd come back and talk more you just were very quiet

a two

rtsd rising on top two

you were great

but i can't you got to bring a camera next time dude

you know yeah yeah yeah so i'm not in a place where i could do it but the mighty i'm bing i so at too

that us

you got a youtube channel

yeah yeah i got you tube channel to talk about that

s bam the link to his you tube genel s bam the link to his youtube annel

i didn' it's a dot sa h i d a s e check it out yeah i talk aout

guys goes up to his channel he p proroduces really good content so at to

hope to have you one

again this the r t is g mafia's

infiltrated

the showdowns

very well

so yeah

allright i'll piss our boat see you later to good luoks

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but four hours jesus christ it's not over yet b

just four hours and it's not done you gotta figure something out for next time

ok dario your criticism is most unwarranted

so do you

what time is it where you live

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new though dude i moved to the u s for like like a few weeks ago

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uh no not really actually i actually really like the show

i think it's there's some fun people i just i wish we would keep like the first topic a bit shorter but it's actulre really good

and don come to my table come to my table

i'm in new york right now too

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reas its quentin tarentino all right so bys are you

all right

so there are one two three four and my people remaining acter and there our next topic and

so here this is going to be a tricky one because we do have to keep this within twitch quite you knows w means no advocacy rubber puns and anything tll you that yourself

but

can you guys suck the fuck up what am i listening to

pastor when i speak shut the fuck up

yy

we have to keep this within twitch t o us

because

you know

you cannot advocate for anything like that or do anything crazy

i'm know i don't think anyone here would

but

so there's going to be a house probe that's going to hold public hearings

in twenty twenty two

detailing the january sixth

capital riot

ah and the trump white house response to see if trump was

bo also

recently a video

was

went viral of an insurrectionist

um

about an officer who is tased during the capital riot

and he claimed he was coerced i don't know who i didn't watch it myself

but we are going to keep it as a topic of discussion

so the topic right now is going to be this

ah one moment

are these hearings that are going to be held in twenty and twenty two

are these justified

or

is the response to the events of january sixth

disproportionate relative to the crime

is this something overblown is this something that's a serious threat

to american democracy

what are your thoughts on the cur upcoming hearings for the january sixth

the event and the trump white house response

take it away

o ok so i would say it's definitely overblown

right

uh because like um this was used

like january sixth was like a

big thing in a symbolic sense and what that right

but it's being used right now immediately was used after

uh for the state american state and the establishment and the

generally the state apparatus and all these other people to centralize power even further to increase the police

uh budgets to uh to to like even

as far as i know they will uh

clamp down on pretty much

any type of anti establishment or anti government

rhetoric

right whether it's right wing left wing and whatever

right they will consider everybody to be like a potential threat to the state as long as if you're against their interests

right so yeah this is bad was trump culpable or

yeah probably to some extent right i don't really remember

to to like he never openly called for violence as far as i remember

butver he kind of signal you knowh we should go there blah blah blah

but like the people there that were there were actually

um from their point of view i guess uh uh angry

right because theyy felt the election was stolen

and i think it was led by certain groups

a predominantly kind of more radical elements

um who kind of uh smashed in and uh did the crazy stuff most people as far as i know

stayed outside

as far as i remember i might be wrong

um um and ya that that's pretty much it it it is used to to centralisee uh

pretty much by the state to increase like police

and like uh to destroy any type of op position

uh okay um

i'm going to hop in here and say ok

so while i don't agree with like increasing capitol police i

uh stuff like i don't

i think the issue is like we just didn't have enough there and weren't prepared as much

um

so that issues and everything i do think i have to ask you one question banna do you think it's ok for the

like the for like the uh congress to investigate

who was the cause like kind of like the main leaders behind january sixth

and shit

do you think that's a

sure yeah i mean like yeah it was like it in a sense it was an attack on the state right it is the state that they don't like very much but you know they have their yeah i'm not a big fan of it either i just

we have to acknowledge like even if like

even if like the state isn't pay in for it i've got a i've got a problem i can't hear audio from half the people here i'm going to disconnect and rejoin

ok ok we're going to briefly so pull me back up some havings a technical difficulties

we're having a brief moment of technical difficulties

do i can i keep going

yeah i keep going

okay yeah yeah so that's that so i'm fine with that personally so we have to keep in mind in terms of the the writers

most of them are getting off pretty easily uh most of them haven't been convicted there's like probably like twenty maybe right now out of like

the thousands who are there that have been like sentenced to forty or so months that are like more of the radical elements

like the like the extremist like either the three percenters or the proud boys and everything

for the most part people walked into the atrium but there was a significant threat to like

th lives of people trying to stop like the democratic process and everything

so late

even if like it's a state and i'm not a fan of it

if you have people who are trying to stop like

people who voted in this process and you're trying to like overthrow that then you're still

you're still committing an insurrection it's thats i agree but you don't need to make a political process about yet i mean you can have like agencies invest

right but there's no reason to have all these hearings on the senate floor in congress likell congress that they're there for legislation they're not

there you know they weren't trained to like investigation they're not collaps and stuff so like i i agree to extent but it feels like to me

the goal of these uh

hearings isn't to to

you know find out who's responsible for all this stuff i think probably f b i has already

figured out who's responsible for all the stuff which is why we see some rest

i think it's probably to keep the h

january sixth

firm in people's minds so that

democrats can do well in the mid terms or something like that

like i think that

but i don't want to i want to give jackson a chance to say something so gohead

yeah no no no i just think i guess i agree with you that

en i agree with you the f b i probably you know has already figured out who is responsible for facilitating this because its probably them

i feel as though this is being this whole investigation thing this january sixth

testimony is all this shit

it's being overblown in the sense that they're using all of this to increase funding for the security state apparatus

for intelligence for spying for

you know

hard on the ground you know security in the capitol and around the white house

i've seen it firs hand in d c myself but

what i think we need to focus on i'm going to try to keep this concise is

the three main organizations that were responsible for facilitating january sixth

were the oathkeepers proud boys and three percenters

in recent years we've seen an increasing amount of federal agents marked as unindicted coconspirators

actually helping

these groups facilitate acts of terror such as the

attempted kidnapping of gretchen whitmer five of the fourteen members of that group

were were federal agents

so i think we need to actually

overblow the investigation even more into january sixth

and the sense that we identify all of the unindicted unindicted coconspirators

we need to we need to make sure that they're held accountable

and we need to determine the degree in which the f b i the army and counterintelligence were responsible

in facilitating what happened on january sixth

yeah i i would agree there then you can respond because i'm going to pretty much add on what jackson said

um so like um

uh yeah like the f b i has a tendency and we know this not only from like h far right organizations but also islamic terrorist cells and they literally manufactured

there is the tax

from nowhere right they well recruit terrorists themselves turn them into terrorists

and then the rest them

ma you have literally have proof of this hapening

right yeah so so like uh but apart from this i think this is also trying to

destroy the figure of trump

right

the figure of trump and what trump means

to certain americans

and whatever and i'm not a fan of trump

right

uh but like um

far from it right but he represented the reason why they're trying to destroy him through this sixth of january right and whatever is because trump was very very very very unpleasant for the american establishment

not so much in policy and whatever

but more in rhetoric and what he talked about and he openly talked about people who usually said like i remember

trump is a liar and whatever and yes he did a lie a lot

but at the same time he sat themile some of the bost

true things ever and the true things were

a wherec coa we go

o we will kill you know we will kill the terrorist families and whatever we will take the oil well you know he openly blatantly talked about all these things that the democrats and republicans kind of

dance around right

and that was the problem the problem wasn't that he was outrageous at these crazy ideas the problem that he was talking talking about all this crazy shit openly

right and you can't do that you have to be polite in politics right you have to beli you havet them as if the system is like perfect so so i'm going to let wordy respond and then pesto then pan if you wants

so i'm not going to you're not going to face a whole lot of disagreement for from me in terms of these aspects right i have issues with the f b i in terms of like releasing information

there's a lot of stuff that they usually

keep like under control of like national security claims which is a real issue

it doesn't mean everything keps gets kept under control but there is a lot of stuff that i

personally would like us to be able to like be at be able to access

and not have like journalists have to like directly like

try to like investigate it be easier just to have that information available and now wait

like sixty years for things to get

released

and the issue that comes is trump already

ah he already ruined his own image by

inciting the insurrection

so like this whole argument of hims like

cause like at

people trying to like break down his legacy or whatever

he already did it himself he made a

his her cod response was awful

his refusal to acknowledge the twenty twenty elections like

these things were already happening

no i agree yeah and the issue for me more than anything is how

like investigate how we go about those investigations right i think the f b i should investigate i think we should jt need more public

and also i just want to respond directly to you pen

is

committee hearings are explicitly a political process we have things like the rob silverman reports on like

the wm ds in iraq that's a political process we have committee hearings on how those things occur

so like this whole public hearing it doesn't have to be a political process

it's always a political process it does't matter here if it's not all right so you

i'm going to let pen respond guys we only have about five minutes on the clock

yeah know these lightning rounds are really fast now but uh

pan go ahead respond and then pesto you can go

yeah well i mean i disagree like you yes obviously if it's tested in front of the committee it's going to be a political process but it doesn't have to be tested frot the committee i mean

we have separate branches of government just for this purpose we've

got you know a legal system that they can go through it's

it i don't want

the prosecution of people for political reasons to be a political process i want that to be a judicial process

um i

want them to be held accountable not for political reasons but because they broke the law

or incided terrorism so that i just say that like yeah i guess technically you're right

um

but that doesn't change anything it doesn't change the fact that what happened was bad

and that we should have gone through this from the judicial branch which doesn't have as much of a bevest of interest as

our legislative branch does aren't we already doing that in terms of department of justice like investigating what's happening

like what happened aren't we not happening that's not happening because some of the main people who are caught on video instigating some of the most egregious and aggressive you know calls for storming the capitol

in committing you know acts of like vandalism within the capitol

are people who have remained unindicted and not charged and they make up the dozens of unindicted coconspirators

that not all but definitely some of are quite likely members again of the f b i

or the your arer intelligence so here's the issue is that's a

potentiality

but you would have to show me and sality but if you look at recent years and the fact that these same groups f b i army counterintelligence

have been infiltrating these same three organizations over and over again oathkeepers three percenters proud boys

to facilitate these crazy attacks or actions or kidnappings

it's it doesn't really seem too far out of line for this to be happening

and the other thing is also you have to recognize that

the unindicted coconspirators sure there are reasons

why people do remain unindicted coconspirators that don't revolve around them being like

the f b i informants or f b i facilitators or anything like that

but in this case it's different because as i mentioned these coconspirators were the ones committing some of the most egregious and aggressive

to you know calls to action and this the dragnant of investigating and swooping up all the people involved in january six

was so immense they've already like charged seven hundred two people

the fact that you have people on video calling to storm the capitol that haven't been charged and haven't been indicted

it definitely poses the question why they haven't and i think we can

all be you know level headed individuals and assume the case and why that that so so here's the issue for me is just because the f b i has a tendency to do thing doesn't mean they automatically did something right we investig imunist and you're literally defending like the security state i am i am i defending them or i'm trying to be factually accurate ok you're not being actually accurate you're no no youre like well i think i think the broad

a question i think

ah from what i'm hearing is that

seems like jacksons saying

that

the there hasn't been enough investigation into the coconspirators and that

and he strongly susad with him on that i strongly suspects that the a reasonable inference for that could be

f bi involvement what do you what do you think about that

i personally think is that's a possibility right f b i does a lot of messed up stuff and i absolutely agree

we need to make sure we're keeping an eye on that if they did that

but the here's the problem right now is we're relying on an if

we're not saying in is

and we need i know to en

we need to see if

they did this if they were involved and if they were involved

we convict

them

but if they're not involved

then we basically say ok they weren't involved let's pursue a new path to investigation

ok ok so so

what we're relying on right now is that we know i mean as a matter of fact we know that police opened the floodgates the actual gates know it's a little more complicated when

that is a little more you know video evidence of you know n no no no me let me finish because i let you talk i let you talk ok now the other thing that you have to acknowledge here

is that the

it's not whether or not these people are convicted

they haven't even been charged you have dozens and dozens of these unindicted coconspirators that were committing some of the most egregious and aggressive acts on january sixth

who not only haven't been convicted they haven't even been charged or indicted

that's the point of an investigation they're finding those yeah but listen listen but like even the fact like even the let's not that ben amned i don't mean to cut off but but we do need pstal im to get a word in

because he's ok good i very short the is very short

ok so its like even though we can say these people are not feds and whatever we know for a fact these people infiltrateed these organizations we knew that like there was messages being leaked from all these groups

that like go

that' is going to happen and withover that some people are planning something right so like there's a lot of incompetence also on the side of people who are like around congress and whatever to allow this to happen in the first

right like what the fuck right like it is

i i don't know it it

do me it looks like you feds were involved

to some extent maybe they didn't want to go as far back

um

you so i aks the what do you was your take on this topic you've been very silent this whole time

well jackson's

jackson's right with the facts

as they are but with the reasons why

that's where i disagree with jackson on everything

it's always it's always been jackson gets the facts he doesn't understand the reasons the dynamics

that are going on that are

creating these situations here

well and you you elaborate on trump fired call me good for him

because

call me

director of the fb i

hated russia hated china

trump had some good influence coming in his ear

trump goes on on tells the people

we need to build back the economy we need to make america great again everyone understands this the f b i doesn't want that

mr cally doesn't want that

he goes on and says

a good relationship with russia it wann't be so bad a thing

a good relationship with china

is

ok we just need a better des hasll we really got ast really got to stay on that topic and they do everything they can to try to what are you talking about on on best os wy best ofps we got it we' got to stay topic is veryty you talking about its is there something is there something is there something specific jackson said you disagree with or

what do you what's your beeal with jackson you read my jackson

is because he goes on he says all these things

that are true

it doesn't put them in context

why does the f b i hate trump

if the f b i is just so much ak whatever evil right wing is or something

right

whatever the lefty view of this i'm not sure if i'm representing it right

and trump's also like a right wing he's not on our side why would the f b i care because trump represented something trump went to the people and he told them something that they already knew which was that they don't want war and they don't want

good gains for silicon valley and the wall street

what

people understood trump goes up and says renegotiate with china

let's have a good relationship with russia let's not

butut so much on these wars

because he doesn't understand it

band it was right trump w i in st the truth about stuff i think trump shouldn't have said like

he realized he was saying those things because he wanted to do them he wanted to bombal he want to i got to rep on january sixth

yeah i was

you say that's whight nreing stupid game where the president comes up and he says puts on a nice face and he tells people to get ready for war because we're the good guys we're acting in the interests of liberalism trump wasn't a liberal at all every republican besides trump might as well be a liberal and i think

basically they are every democrats a liberal

in' know was ina was as building relationship with these countes to no one cares about the rouch i care about china india don't anddashion russian china usa right now because of the situation

those together

combining

great

physical improvements in the economy is what's going to destroy mess those you think it's a little unfair you're you're attacking jackson for

something he didn't say instead of what he said

i'm attacking jackson because when he goes on he argues with this what's the name of the liberal that we have talkwordy to me

on everything he argues with talk worry to me it's always about

a multitude of factors that you're not seeing here whatever there's all these different things it's not a holistic view how is talk weord he going to digest this how is he going to change his way of thinking and apply it to the rest of the world all he' able to com if he's a might know you w go be able to come on to get wad the say narrative that's ightg

we not let jackson respond because thats th the past

there is not a iea that explains it

ow you we're going to jackson respond and we're going to move on to the next round so

go ahead

i so pesso i i don't know where you where you got that i disagree with you on that stuff i mean i agree with you on all of that and that's actually

one of the main i live stream that's one of the main things i talk about is the intelligence community's various

weaponization of their power against donald trump

when trump first entered office and you know they had already you know basically stated that they were going to be going after him the intelligence community did

chuck schumer went on m s and b c and had a sit down with or maybe you c n and sit down with like rachel madow and he said

the intelligence community has seven days a sunday of getting back at you and they did through rushia gate

january sixth

through you know putting all these deep state neo cons in his foreign policy part of his administration to lie about syria

to lie about what was what was happening in like africa for example

so i want to present disagree with you i don't know where you got that i disagreed with all right so the problem i don't think you disagree with me about the facts that happened

do't we get we get it we get it you don't debout the facts you just don't you don't think he's goting it it ire getting he's going to war with russia war with china the way obama wanted we are on the brink of nuclelar war right now because we just continue to back up with what obama f up and let us conclude the round

ok i agree with you

aight we are going to conclude the round vote audience vote we want to keep

not kick rolling an av a minute and thirty seconds to vote

go ahead audience

and this time the bottom two are going to gone shot up this time the bottom two are just going to be gone pesto no signs but the signs don nationalize the banks spend that link in the chat spend that link in the chat and we are going to eliminate two people at the bottom two are just gone i'm not going to have anything to do with

hos everybody you know feel yeah i mean i came in and let me let w let me advise the audience you don't want to necessarily vote for who you like the best but who's going to be the best for content so if we're just going to have an echo chamber it's not going to be that fun im just letting you know that it's in your hands audience we're going to be eliminated

but keep that in mind ya' learned a lot about the root on ande i need to know more he sounds like an intellectual hepyy or i can tell you where you can learn more dot com f the organization website what was that can i get a spelling in the chat yehuse you need to put the links to the sheeler institute website

and you we're allowed to plug you can plug that your calling state thats so you can plug it as your closing statement i did i think iany onere tm the only plug in i need is all right we're done voting but

honestly i'm not pleased with the results

and i'm changing the rules at the last minute so

the bottom two our woody and problematic pan so pan is going to be eliminated

but

between bandit and woody

bandit i'm sorry

w

why am i wdy

you have no chance of winning any way if you think about it

you know what i mean

o don't worry haz i'll get the sultanic we're keeping we're keeping s will have their revenge because had peny we're in the spott

tra the serbs will have a there set u bandit here's the issue

the issue is

if we if we just eliminated woody and pen and pen i agree with your decision it's fine yh yes that there would be no have chosen

the people have trouble thered be no debates that right so pan you're in the bottom

you are getting eliminated but

we're going to switch we're switching what he wordy with bandits because

if this's ust goning to be a banded piestole in jackson there's

there's not much to debate about right so

we that's that's you know this yeah you know the audience can keep saying stop the seal but

the rules have never been laid out to begin with i'm just winging it for a for now you know

so next week we're going to we're going to have two v twos and we're going to have like a a tournament next week format instead of a royal

but

we do have to get this along we have to get the show on the road right

and by the way i just want to congratulate the audience for being literal dumbfucks

we're putting wurdy and pen in the bottom too

are you fucking stupid you don't even know what you want

like you don't even know what you want in terms of content you're literally a bunch of dumb fucks

and this is why democracy is stupid and this is why the khan sometimes has to intervene

and

you know rig things a little bit

because you guys are just stupid you don't even know what you fuck and want ok

so

anyway so pen

you were absolutely great your perspective was very very refreshing

a although you're not as hard right as i anticipated it was still you know

you still brought some nuance to it

and

what are your thoughts what are youroughts on the show are you come back next week what was going on

of course i'm dedicated to that belt i mean this is a test of stam it really is i'm glad some of the other competitors didn't have it in them left voluntarily got me as far as i possibly could

fifth is a good start i'm coming for first next week though and you did come pretty far to be fair you know

especially since you knowre we're like a

my channels mostly like you know communist whatever marks like so you're a right libertarian you did very well you know

well thank you very much yeah thanks for having me everybody you can come follow me a twitch that t v slash problematic pan

m

or you can come follow me when i win the belt next week but it was good talking with you all i had a lot of fun

i been

look at looking forward to it

and you already souted yourself up

yup

alright andny

see you later

now bend it

the resident serve

yes so what i time is it in serbia right now

it is six thirty fifth five thirty am what

but it's no problem i didn't sleep the last three days i haven'tsam i don't know whatd

i there i also have insomnia so i definitely es stand

yeah

yeah yaum so like yeah fuck it uh

i love the chat

i love you people

as

thterves will have their revenge

i'm coming for you

in your sleep don't worry i'm in a video game in a

of course of course

ok bendit

good seeing you man

it'sen roadblucks don't always a pleasure

all right we're going to wait for jackson to get back because this the things are going to start getting heated things are going to get started spicy

there's only two rounds remaining there are two rounds remaining guys

so

first and foremost

the topic of discussion

that's going to be the second to last

brown

oky

and i'm not sure how familiar you guys are with this topic so if you need more info info just let me know

m

we have to ask this very broad

question

right

remember

the next this round it's going to last

five minutes right

and we're going to be eliminating one person and the last round is going to determine

who the infrared showdown

champion is and who's going home with that belt

okay

so

the question is

c n n recently fired qis chris cro croomo after the publication

in the atlantic

that alleges cuomo to be culpable in his

and you know covering up his brother's sexual harassment allegations

but

the accusations against cuomo have long preceded that

cuomo has also been embroiled in scandals

such as being found outside without a mask

ah and you know

swearing at a pedestrian and threatening a pedestrian who pointed us out

so

it it's seems some are raising the allegation specific this was talcker carolson and he said

that it reveals the fundamental corruption of the media

because

they're selectively getting rid of

chris guomo

only because

the atlantic

which he calls the newspaper of the ruling class

a

you know did a hit piece on him signaling they didn't want him any more s guys

does this reveal is tucker carlson right is the media fundamentally corrupt

as evidenced by this decision or

what is going on here

there are a lot of issues with the media in terms of like organization and like and like incentives in terms of like how we sell a prisonent you know way so i'm talking but a lanticend youre p here the issue that comes with you know this relgion is he was he already admitted to directly like

working with his own brother in order to like help him deal with these allegations he already gotre g at on in the process thest problem that like a fundamentally

he he ca been more than just like to talk to his brother

he also coordinated with his aide and there are some text messages we can indicate that he was already working with him so le's s thek a let him talk

here's the issue with

chris cuomo is

he overstepped his bounds

he stepped out that his line of duty as like a journalist

and he took his political motivations

and and and and did it at the cost of his own job okay

so we understand this is an issue so basically chris cuoma is getting what he gets ok

like

he's being a suspended into that famly hasn't been fired yet

b

and based on what he's done and everything that's been happening around andrew cuomo at the moment it seems pretty well justified to say that you're getting suspended because not only did you talk about this stuff that you've been dealing with your brother

you've also communicated like hey i'm sorry and then you kept doing it so it's like it's fair it's like we gave you a chance to stop and then you kept doing it you know

a ok so i'm going to give pestolmim a chance to respond and then jackson

yeah the atlantic

what is a shitty magazine this is a real magazine everyone can subscribe to it and read the back issues on rughpuvt com

the do not care about this subject

i concede

okay jackson what do you have anything to say on this or

um

is the is this show that the media is i say one hundred percent shows the media is corrupt because

there's actually this whole chris cquomo thing has nothing to do with him not wearing a mask or

not you know protecting his brother or whatever i mean i feel like most the folks at c n n would probably do that if push came to shove and they were presented with that unfortunate scenario but the

it has everything to do with the new owner of c n ns majority company the new discovery c

on

having personal beef

with andrew cmo in the commo family

and i think it just goes to show like how absolutely shitdy of a human being

the cuomos probably are because

imagine having that much power that much wealth that much influence

and

you still can't even keep a job at c n

you know so this has everything to do with like media corruption personal politics

has nothing to do with accountability or anything like that

o im

can i ask you a couple questions jackson

so one question i have to ask is you you acknowledge that chris like directly talked about in diirectly communicated with his brother

in terms of like helping him get ahead of the sexual allegations right

ah yes

ok

and he not only did that but he actually was probing via his own media sources

in trying to dig up dirt on the accusers of his brother

so if he's getting like suspended and he's like

potentially going to get kicked out of his job do you think that's good

we're talking about the same media corporation

that has facilitated an all out blackout of the trial in the true story behind epstein and glaane maxwell

i don't think it's that surprising or anyone really batted an eyelash over what chris cuomo did this is all personal politics

by

you didn't answer my question

do you think it's good that he's getting kicked out

even if the entire media company is corrupt

if you're directly working with your brother and you're directly communicating with him on this issue you getting kicked out potentially is like a good thing

they're just going to replace somem with a carbon copy who's going to do the same thing ten years down the line

potentially but if we kick him out and he doesn't do it for ten years that's better than doing it automatically right like if you do something bad you should get punishment right

i think paesto won by not being in this conversation right now this is so dumb

uh no i i mean

y the the i mean do you really think that c n n is going to put like a like a

you know a

person with like good morals in the prime times it's on their public on their me not even about it's not even about who comes in to replace them it's about what we do about chris cuomo

do you think it's good that he gets suspended and potentially kicked out

i think that it's probably some of the

least

it's probably honestly some of like

the least morally indefensible things that

a reporter has done it c n n what he did

ok

so if he gets suspended kicked out i'm glad we agree that he should get kicked out

so do we have any arguments about this anymore do is there any other aspect youre wanting to like go down

uh no

ok i think

so let me ask let me ask you a question the c n n discovery and

what's his name exactly

the discovery ce

i just know people who

have a lot of friends that work at cenen who've been

explaining that this is all personal politics

ok sure

but

the question i'm having is even if the discovery c e o even if he is involved in this

it's still good you may get decision

sure

but even if he is involved in this

it's still good for crying gys we got thirty seconds on the clock

pesto my he want to you want to

storm in this and have a chance of winning or you want to be a lazy folk

it looks like a lazy fack

time

talk about w

do you have anything to say on the topic

ah

chris cuomo what a what a creet

all right not d g g scored the easy donated five dollars

i remember he from ok thank you not d g g for the five dollars and we are going to go right ahead and get into the vote

we're going to have it last only for a minute and then we're going to move into the final round

ok

so maud span this link

spam this link

and let's get right to it

just a minute on the clock both for the live i love that did i unfortunately have to live in reality you gotta do what you gota do right you got to advocate for the best policy

haarm reduction arm reduction is y your principle to reduce harm as much as you can it's funny is everybody likes you except you said nothing you know what

sometimes sometimes the only winning move is not to play oh no this is this is the most unfortunate outcome

we are done voting but

ah i have to be fair i can't really just intervene here i do have to be fair but

wordy the chat is to very stupid it's a very stupid chat they they voted preestomime

as the winner he didn't even say anything

i don't know what's going on with that we do go change a wy we need to change the format of how these work because the chat is clearly too stupid to know what that what's good for them

but

yeah so pestomies the and wordy is being eliminated just shockingly right so way in the accion in second place

yeah we are going to have a debate a final

by ten minutes to be

can i fmi something

what

have pasto choose who leaves

now

that's the rule them's a breakfinal at

that that's technically how it works but i thought it was going to be the person who lost gets eliminated

well i you so i'd be fine with pesso choosing

ok

ah alright okay okay

so pesto you can choose who to eliminate i guess and what we'll do is do it that way

where'd you get out of here

i choose jackson to stak jack

ok one on one let me go head to head with jackson i w you get your one i'm this you know i have i have something to say to him

ok fine for fally talks that i don't even know what the topics going to be honestly i have to choose the topic

not well can i shot myself out

im

no wait just give a moment so so wordy

it's unbelievable you lasted this long

you know like for more from a liberal perspective

so tell us

where so what did you think of the showw are you coming coming back next week or whatever

um it depends um i

i have stuff i have to do so if i'm free friday night maybe but i might just like

take the night off and like relax

next week so it depends

anyways wll sort yourself up

yeah i'm a libertarian socialist

where do you talk a tot

i

now

we are going to

get into the final round and i don't know what to call this topic

other than

topic

is

pestol mim

right to

go after jackson

i don't know what else to call it

is jackson really in the wrong here

or is jackson being very reasonable and pesto mim is just kind of

so pas i want you to air all about your problems with jackson

and like just tell us what's your issue with him

and

the what the chinese to vote on is is who's reasonable right is is

is jackson being onreasonable or or what's going onight

okay sub but

ok so pesto what what is your qualms with with jackson you wanted to get out

and this is going to be a

five minutes

this me a five minute debate

it doesn't matter if jackson has all the best sources on the news ll the best sources on what's happening

at issue with the way that jackson was handling these

discussions with these people he went and he told them all these factoids all these whatever arguing for

fifteen minutes about whether a number on the vote was one or two

it's not relevant what's relevant to people what's going to make people wake up and understand and live differently and

see the word

positively and understand that they can change instead of being a pessimistic lefty

a wriighty

same difference

what's going to matter is if they have a vision

of

humanity

that is different from the vision that' is being taught to us

well how does that how do the jackson how does jackson lac that

like explain just talk about jack jacksonplain anything

what jackson golden he tells people he tells people what happened

physically ok

what happened

chron i don't believe bacts matter

but he doesn't go in and people and he doesn't bring it

but jackson said so many times to this thing

you know there is a multiplicity of issues here

is not

there's an issue there's a central issue there's a central way that the world operates

it's one

physical universe that we live in it belongs to people it belongs to god

people are made in the image of god

but people don't understand when jackson goes and he says oh well he did this he did that that's like you're describing what your dog did or something

it is not understanding that people

can you go and explain to somebody what's wrong with world

you need to explain to them

why the are great at what makes

dam greater and how

the future is going to look

if jackson goes and tells people oh there's this there's that he doesn't tell people exactly what the future

is going to look like but doesn't doesn't need to spell he dispels the stablishment narrative so thaty doing a good job whichan narratives but he keeps on to the one establishment narrative which is that you have to care

well but ok jackson do you go ahead and respond to this guy

tiny bit more ac the narrative

that the main narrative the main narrative is that we're arguing about these things

whether they blah blah blah

' not we're not talking about

more fundamental issues

about the spirit of god that's inside people and why that's being

what's it called pushpansle

jackson go you go and respect

you know

on

listen pesto i've never been as speechless as i am right now in a debate

h the facts just aren't coming to my head right now i have nothing to say

and

i guess i ok i'm going to i'm going to try i guess we'll try to engage with this

you think that i'm not painting a big picture

arc of what's really happening

but i'm instead too invested in the facts

correct

you're invested in these facts you're invested in telling people what's happening

wor it's happened

but so what happens what happens when we're dealing with a bunch of liberals

and left this in right towards that are like they're regurgitating these state department talking point say about syria or they're believing this bullshit about like an investigation into what actually happened on january sixth

but they're missing all of the key details that actually allow us to paint the broader picture

of what's going on because

obviously right if you know my you know my political world view you know that i think that the f b i and the intelligence community is working directly against donald trump but you have to back that up

with substantive points and that's something that

you honestly despite how funny you are in your content and stuff

you haven't been able to do once in any of the conversations we've put forward so so pesto what he's saying is

it seems like you mostly rely on like big narratives

but you don't go into the nitty gritty of like the details and the details matter so what do you have to say to that

what jackson just said right here i don't go into the details

you listen back you'll see that i went into the details on some things when i was the person to talk before jackson whenever jackson talks first jackson gets all the details out of the day

out of way

then just stops

and then if somebody challenges him

he goes back to those details and he says no these details are right no those details are wrong

why are those details right

this is the other one's because like some source said so

they're right because the higher truth

reinforces them

when jackson goes saying oh you take all these right things you take all these things that you know are right somehow you know all these things are ightor true disagrees with

you have a multiplicity of factions

factors and you build them together to make a world view and to make an idea of what the truth is

the jruth comes first

you have any disagreement with jackson about anything in particular yes

yes i do have a disagreement i have a disagreement with the way that he talks to these people

because when he talks to these people none of them go home

and they think about it none of they are all home because it's

twitch

i'm just going to use an example right now because i do think it's important right when we're taught the whole reason why i even got on twitch in the first place because i was just i was just like doing stuff on youtube

the whole reason why i got on twitch was because i wanted to debate people

and i thought that debating would be an effective way of actually winning people over to my ideology so

the first debate that i ever did was against i don't know if you know him he's a streamer named valsh

and we're talking about syria right

and

everyone knew my interpretation of what happened surrounding this debate about a chemical attack in syria

and neverone knew what vosch's opinion was going to be

right but

when push came to shove in we were talking about the facts of the matter

that's all that really you know stood to push down vosh's flimsy arguments that he was bringing forwd his flimsy narrative that was bringing forward

and the higher powers did not agree with my facts but my facts were so strong

that they completely you know like pushed down every strong man he put forward so

i i just i disagree with you that like facts aren't important or facts can't speak to people because

the overwhelming majority of people who saw that debate all agree i won

i saw

bits of that debate i agree that you won i think you misunderstood what i meant by higher power i don't mean the president i don't mean

i

moler or the cia or something

or even the queen i don't mean that

those are very low powers when i talk about the higher power i talk about what is it that makes things true

and that you know that's got

right

no

so so on i have a question for this is kind of what the debate's about

pesto is it always correct to

like knock on an open door and condemn people for maybe

not doing things like isn't isn't it that you know i'm having a dialogue

right but it seems like you're going you're going after jackson just because he's not talking about like philosophy and stuff

but is isn't that isn't it always that we can

have different context of like

sometimes the facts matter in that

you could talk about philosophy later like do you have to always talk about it all at once

i think i think it does matter because otherwise people are just going to hear these facts

they're going to look into it they're not really going to know the difference

between

one source of the number and another source of the number in a different newspaper one says it was this many one says it was this many

whichever on ok so the specific example that you are getting really frustrated ons are ight le talk that were true to him

best to let him talk

that meant vouch's wole

project the whole vision that i bes i got to meet you i got to meet you i got to meet you got to let him talk

let him talk

so so

with any of the debates that i engage in be it like va shyria whatever be it the january sixth stuff that seemed to have triggered you

on

i always begin by

explaining like my my overarching premise you know in the debate with osh i said

i believe you know theres a cover up we don't really know what happened is potentially not a chemical attack whatever

in the january sixth thing i made it abundantly clear that i said you know it was a

it was a f b i or intelligence community orchestrated event

and obviously this is a a part of like the broader campaign to try and you know establish their dominance and increase the power of the security state

and go against the people who are you know trying to challenge that

then i go into the details that back that up

and

my details nor my overarching

opinion i put forward at the start

differs really from what you said i think i just focus

more on the former and you focus more on the latter

thin i think

fusing both together though

is the only way that you can win people over i mean

even that the

the wordy person that was in here that was disagreeing with me initially surrounding january sixth

and was saying like oh my god i no no no the f b i is going to investigate this stuff

when i presented the facts and the evidence about the unindicted coconspirators all that stuff

you then heard wordy backtrack what they were saying and start to agree with me so

i think i think

your form of argumentation albeit funny and good content i think it's actually

insufficient and convincing

average people to your side

u

i want to ask you this is rhetorical so don't answer it right away because there's more context to it how do you

know that you know something do you think that people come into politics people like wordy or anyone maybe even all the viewers probably that people come in and decide to be political people

because they want they want to be right and factual

or do they come in because the they have a feeling that they need to change society somehow because as human beings the creative spark that's in them is being but that's bill does you also believe that a lot ofth is

trying to get out and they need to fix that somehow

what i think

it's a good question what i think is that the

there are a lot of people

w engage heavily in politics i'd assume like yourself yourself in and in the way that

i do as well

who do want to change the world

but i think the masses who just casually listen to

people like me which

i don't know i don't know your work but i would think that my work is like the content i produce is like

very palatable for the average individual in this country you know like i have

bunch of kids i go to high school with who listen to my show who like don't really follow politics and

disagree with my politics but then they'll occasionally listen in and be like yll like you i actually disagree i actually agreed with what you said

and i think it's in part because i do structure my arguments in a way that fuses both of those things together

i don't know i obviously it's not going to resonate with everyone

just is your form of argumentation isn't going to resonate with everyone but

i care about winning over the masses and i care about you know changing the hearts and minds of the people at least of this country

wealll guys i got those bless

so so the difference is

i think the difference is because i do like you more than probably

any other communist besides for a few

besides from like people who i can list

because you're a positive person

you have a good outleoot

outlook

on your own life

and you want to go and engage with society and be healthy and have these hobbies but

the difference is

that all these people talking about how they want

to win over people they want optics to appeal to people and strategy to appeal to people

it's not really what people go into politics to just

just a

reinforced to just hear something that's right hear something that

that goes to them like on a very surface level you can look it up it's right

or you go over and you see someone and they look like someone that you knew in high school

and they're being normal and you like them thatre go have that th that's the confit way of talking that's the don't don't a lot of people though

really do you believe the myths

that the media is very factual still and isn't

jak's doing important work showing that's not the case

like pestal do you think you take for granted too much

that the media is like

not factual and they tell lies don't you have to prove it

continually over and over again so people could see

the i think people are born knowing that the media is lying to them

and i think that just through forcing themselves to watch media they start to believe it

most people know that the media is lying to them

right but's it's blatantly obvious that the people who go who are on the media and looking at you and saying stuff

maybe i don't know i don't know so so p so are you saying right you feels nos tho are you saying what julian assands did didn't matter then

no i'm not saying what julian a signs it wasn imporant that he showed s all this all this stuff they were lying about and covering up

didn't it make an impact on a lot of people when they found out bush lied about w m ds like people don't automatically know this you know

and pres so like what i want to put in p i don't i don't think i don't know how much you know my someth like that what i do want to say is like

what i do is like i

i don't know

i feel like what i do is

hopefully

and i and i do believe that athetic is important or what did you say you said you think like style or aesthetic or something is not important

no that's not what i said

what was the exact word you said you didn't say important

what's that

what

i didn't when i said word all these all these things you can go and do them

and they make a better package

i you said something like

you didn't say is thatic you said something like that though it wasn't styleor what i said was i used the word optics i said people try and say we should wave the american fla because it has's not because it has his

so

i think that optics are extremely important

is not as important as the facts

sorry i won't second

well the the secretary to the truth

wall way let me let me finish my point here i think i think this is something maybe you'll agree with

i think optics are very important actually not as important as facts

i think the overall narrative is obviously important but if you can't

back it up with the facts then it it's

somewhat you know

less meaningful

but you need to fuse all of these things together and in the same way that the

like wiki leaks was trying to get out this information to the mass media in the way that they did about

any number of issues rate war crimes

corruption and government etcetera

what has does or what i do

a i think we see it almost as like

and i was focus a lot more on like theory based things but at least when i report i report on the news and do multiple

stories every time i go live

i'm trying to bring

the news

in a factual manner and debunking whatever the propaganda is you know being pushed at the moment

in a palatable way

through optics you know by by appealing to

specifically like young people

of my generation and showing them

that you know the media

n progressive media whatever it's all bullshit

and they need to look a little bit harder about the at the facts of whatever story they're looking at

iron we

so and then if people they go and they see the media's bullshit they listen to jackson's version of events instead and then what

that it's over du don't give you're not giving them

an idea of what the future is going to look like an idea of what them as people are supposed to be doing

and what they can look forward to doing you don't give them but ok this isll i got stop the world drop pesto but that shit away

pause yeah how do i how do

how do ok first of all i don't think you can i don't think one person should be tasked with al reading the ideas for the future but th with someone act like psti put it away you

was someone like myself or my community

who actually engages in trying to bring about

real world solutions to these issues either through like direct action

or holding different forums or holding panel talks or things like that

m

i don't really know more what you could want i mean being inan armchair

euteris only does so much you have to actually

if you're talking about actually getting out and changing the world

i feel like you know debunking mainstream

media myths is a good way of doing it

but i also feel like and this isn't for everyone but getting out and actually doing organizing is another way you can do it so so pesto what would you say to the idea that

just because jackson doesn't have this all encompassing vision

doesn't mean he can be incriminated what if what if what if it's just like knocking on an open door and he's open to all these ideas like

what if

what if what if you're basically making assumptions that he's just ambiguous you know

'm i'm treating jackson the same way that i treat julian assange i guess he's he's going out he's telling people

what isn't true he is not telling them what the higher truth is

but people need to understand in order to actually

change their way of thinking and contribute to it instead of just

knowing something about the stroug

ditributing to it my understanding these things

the reason why china right now is the center of

this future that's being built a ps not be china has adopted a different vision up

my fuck and nose is bleeding and we've gotta wrap this up

so we're going to wrap it up now

and the world langudge is going to sart without

and last coords

last comments pesto

i you seem like a nice dude and i and i hear what you're saying

i think you should maybe look at my if you're truly concerned which i don't know if you are about my content maybe look at it a bit more and see what i actually do

but the

you've kind of just you've

i agree with you but you've also kind of equally said nothing the entire time we've been parking we're going to vote

two minutes of voting

god damn we're going to do two minutes of voting guys

mards

i want you to i'm going to spam it once because i could only do it once

mot spam this link keep spamming it

two minutes of voting and chat for the love of pock of god if you want this show to be taken seriously weoth based on who you think you did the best not who made you laugh the most you puk and dumb as all right on vote on who was most truthful on who was most truthful don't listen to him you can't control he's not there with you

jury nullification i call for jury nullification i'm not allowed to do that a theormrad here

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hiight

it's been two witets

an hour afresh

oh my god

what a dum maat shat

one hundred sixty one for pesto

and one

fifty six for jackson

th the you you guys it's you think it's cute and it okay whatever i don't i don't fuck

i guess it's fairs ver go to sheiler institute website go to the ruhorganization website

i will will i guess pesto i'm sorry they ted they voted for their conscience not for what you ex i decide de sid up st up ok jackson

i'm so sorry you were this doas chat it's it's

it's tragic to be defeated that's my first loss

it's my only loss i'll ever have but the

so i voted for you i hope you know i voted for you that

you put up a good fight

and you are now the proud owner

of the new infrared showdown belt

how does that make you feel

i think i think next time we're going to do a tchurt of it

because you you had it you won the championship last time he want to now we need like a tie breaker you know

so next time we're going to do like a turtament to

like to be two that one one b one

at the end

with you i it so y have to go knitting next week at seven

so you're not going to available kitting

we'll see

might be taking it for it also hopefully if i can change time with it

yet the de beolt might be taken if you do that just like you know

well i already have one

don't bring any props

all right jackson

how long are you goninga keep screaming

mak

i keep sdreaming

you are

yeah i want to i want to stay alive for a little bit longer i got a

i sout good i

sometimet talk about if you're still alive alreadyio

what i've done ok ok i'll guess you gy links to my websites in the chat like eyons a pesto we're not do et ok

ll right usual

i want to miss me

you're great i personally think you you should have won but

you know i don't get to decide i'm just the moderator

but

hey

it's it's audience decision pesto had the better

audience opinion so i'll catch you guys later

pesso is good talking

all right bye bye jackson the same i hope we don't agin love you both

all right pstter wib you want a for gu

has anyone ever told you you look like robert patterson

no

people tell me that people come up to me and they start speaking other languages to me because they think i look like a russian or an irish person

soe

your belt

wow

i got a those bleeds so bear with me i earned it

here go your belt

a

appy

i might be coming to detroit maybe in the nt next month

so i can go pick it up then

oky i don't know if it's going to haveen to cot stream

i really don't knowf that's going i win st

but ps

no

so you want

yeah you're currently the infrared showdown champion

yeah

and and

so how do you how do you feel

a

i do' feel vindicated by this because i was already vindicated

by a higher by a higher sense of

reality and truth that i that i learned

the invindicated me because i read it on the larouche websites

and i went to rou zoom calls and i went any person w uch events

ok and

and through that i was vindicated

and then later i just go and i vindicate other people i'm not the one who got proven right you guys all got proven right

for believing what i told you

ok

and

so

you don't really look too happy about wedding obviously

i already celebrated my whin

before he came on the show

ah alright and

so i've assuming r ts g is behind this victory

ourtsg is on top

is you's kind of behind everything when it comes to you hos

ah i see i see

and

so okay and you know what i might actually bring you

i might actually like have destiny tobate you or something i might i might bring you out zerka i'll see what zerka thinks

maybe you got some potential

that's all

maybe you got some potential

but

you know you know you what i told you to bring more right wgers that you brought a fuckt that tarchle lib it's like he said you libertarian i don't i don't i just assume that meant you god

okay

i asked are you a libertarian he said yeah

yeat still lay you know ok ok you know his tht maybe you may listen how old are you

twenty two

all right listen kid

you may be going places kid you may be going places ok we'll see

we'll see

you mayb be got a future ahead

keep keep debating people out twits

debatething with this because i want to be my debate you've got to debate destiny debate voch

cant you debate dolling birds

dyling burn sure i'll debate everyone because i know i'm right

ok

all right well

pestel

unfortunately you're the winner

you're not screaming at auw so i can't host you so

what do you want you want the hero of infedrole or something

h

yeah you have to give me the moderator and hero of you're not getting bought

ok

sid a runner

no you're not getting souner either you can get the hero of it forederal ok

all right

ad bybe v ip it's don't

alright you you you'll get the hero b ok

and but you have you have to make the bot spam the links to all three of the websites i don't know how to fucker do that dude i don't know i i w what happen it's might you know how technology works do it

if i don't know how to do it i don't scream on twitch

dude you're so fucked away i swoar to god

it's i won i'm i know it's a lots w ok five yeah just a spab it that's what he wants s even have the links it's sheiler institute larouche organization n you only one website you don't get fuck a five websites tll you what

ok

larouche pub then

actually noo she learns too

ah okay fine

schiller is someonhat s bad the schiller institute

even though it was biased against you the chat decided to go against me and voted you that's great

people say i run a cault

some called thisisses

no it is the opposite

you around you tying to wake people up

but it's not all the way there yet

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all right going to you that leag gysssing some everything's making sense except for some few little things that don't click yet and then i come on and i make it click

ok and i i bo and they're all my fans now at least for today because i won so i'm in charge of the stream for the day now you're you're not it ok that have a belt you don't

yare ok

you're

h you're not in charge of the street for the day on't know where you're getting that from

but well technically r t s g has been in charge of your stream for like

seven months at this point

okay sure

any last words

r t s g is on top everyone has to tweet hashtag exonerate larouche

ok ok well you heard it from me guys you say you have to do it because you want and

i don't know i don't know i can't enforce it but

that's what he's saying

i

alright

by press the one

is that it

uh okay

i guess that's it

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okay

let's go back to the world of sadthy

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all right well properties

there we go we're back

in my buck and naolse is bleeding hooray

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and talk about stuff

but

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honestly i didn't expect this fok at those weed

i really expected those we gus i didn't really expected those we

i'll see you tomorrow

i'll see all of you tomorrow ok

i got a call tonight

i really got to call this a night but i got to

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o i got to type this in bear with me

i'll see tomorrow guys

hopefully earlier tomorrow to

ovio an only stream

mm

oh god

wh

are you guys

be by a good stream

i'll be seeing you

tomorrow

bye bye