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to filter in so so no probs.

Nice.

I don't know if Halsie can hear us.

So I'll text him on Twitter.

But this could, yeah, I'll text him on Twitter and see what he says um good to see you again man thanks for

coming back on the channel i've been so keen to get you on for a debate ever since um ever since

we talked last time and ever since i've watched you debating with andrew and i watched that

whole long thing that you did with was it nick fuentes and destiny oh that was from

quite a while ago wasn't it that was like uh 22 i think yeah yeah that was that was interesting

though interesting to see you guys to see you guys tangle um yeah all right halsy said he's going to go smoke a cigarette

but i haven't seen him do that maybe this is like a i or something i don't know i know it's like some

sort of some sort of bot going on there.

Or what's something? I appreciate you.

Did you go overseas somewhere recently?

I saw you shooting guns and everything.

Yeah, I went to, well, I've gone to

Donbass a few times, but I've went to Lebanon as well

recently.

Sick. That's super interesting. How has Lebanon?

Are they, they're obviously going through it at the moment?

It's good, you know, it's going good. I saw some of the

the devastation and the destruction but people are holding

people are holding fast you know they're holding strong did you see that um syrian embassy that they bombed

i did not actually i didn't see that. I went to

visit a village in the south that was by the border.

Yeah, yeah, fair.

And Jackson was in Yemen, right?

Yes, I did not go on that trip, but he did, yeah.

How did you find Alexander Dugan?

I'd love to interview that guy eventually.

Oh, he's brilliant, you know.

He's very open-minded.

He's very, you know. He's very open-minded. He's very, um, very interesting. I think I met him

first when I was at the, the, uh, first time I went to Moscow, which was one year ago in February.

And he took a keen interest in Maga communism.

And that's kind of how I was introduced to him.

Yeah, he's an interesting fellow.

It's sort of like William Jennings.

Thank you, man.

Appreciate you.

Long guy.

Thank you so much, too.

There we go.

You got you.

We got you.

Can you hear us all right, Halsey?

Now I can.

Yes.

Sorry about that.

Lovely.

We weren't sure if it was you there, if it was some sort of AI screen.

I'm setting,

yeah,

I'm setting up the AI robot.

Yeah.

So just with the rules of the debate,

guys, I'm pretty much like,

pretty hands off when it comes to

moderating.

And I'm sure you guys can sort of regulate

yourselves pretty well.

You both really experienced with this sort of thing.

I'm going to get into it.

We're going to have a 30 second countdown and then I'm going to introduce the both of you,

introduce the debate a little bit and then we'll kick it off to Haas for opening statements

first because you've got the affirmative position and then Holsey and then we'll kick it off to Haas for opening statements first because you've got the affirmative

position and then Holsey and then at the end with closing statements after 60 minutes of dialogue

then we'll go Halsey and then give Haas the last word. That sounds good? Sure. That works for me.

Any questions from either of you guys? It's a five minute opening statement so should be

should be pretty pretty easy okay yeah the topic sorry the topic is uh communism just in general

yes it's does america need marxism or does america need marxism or does America need Marxism?

Nice.

Okay.

Yeah.

So just so you know, I'm willing to go in any direction that you want to argue this.

So don't feel constrained by the title or anything like that.

I'm fine going any direction you want.

Oh yeah, cool, yeah. Nice to hear, cool.

All right, cool, guys. Well, let's get into it then.

Music The Welcome every day. Welcome everybody to another Rattlesnake TV debate night.

We have got a very exciting one.

I've been trying to line this up for a long time and very keen to get this going.

We have got Halsey English versus Haas and today the debate topic

is going to be, does America need Marxism or does America need Marxist theory? Now the way that the

debate is going to work is that both of these gentlemen will have five minutes to make an opening statement.

Then we will kick it into 60 minutes of open dialogue and we'll finish it off by another

closing statement of around two minutes. But you guys can stretch the time if you need to just a little bit.

Rules of the debate is that if there's too much over-talking going on,

then I'm going to have to moderate this,

but generally I'm pretty hands-off with moderating.

So I think that these guys will be able to regulate the conversation pretty well.

But otherwise, I think that with that, gentlemen and audience, hold on to your hat and let's

get ready to rumble.

And now for the thousands in attendance, let's get ready to rumble. Let's get ready to rumble.

All right.

So we're going to kick it off with Haas,

who has the affirmative position.

So Haas, five minutes on the clock for your opening statement.

Okay, sure. So, United States of America right now is at a decisive turning point, and it's experiencing rapid changes over the course of the past few decades, at least, within that

time frame, that have completely disoriented our society. It has proven to be a significant

test for the integrity of our state and our nation in general, because it has also corresponded to a degree of polarization we have not seen since the first American Civil War.

And these changes and transformations that have been happening in the United States should primarily be understood through the lens of changes at the fundamental level of economic relationships, at the level of how people are getting by, how they're putting food on the table, how they're paying rent.

And this is all related to the dynamics of international trade and international trade relationships

that have been fundamentally transformed since the post-war period, and furthermore, to an even a greater degree, following the period of globalization, the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs and the forms of subsistence and income that used to correspond

to the American middle class are gone. They're being wiped out. They're being eliminated.

Our country is being crippled with debt. And meanwhile, we're on the cusp of a new, so-called, fourth industrial revolution. It's going to even deepen and further the process of disrupting the norms, the conventions, and the traditional ways of life that people are used to that they need to support their families, that they need to get by, that they need to make a living.

And I think now more than ever, as we're witnessing, and I think everyone can agree with this, a fundamental historical

change, a fork in the road, there's no going back, there's no avoiding it, a change in general,

in history, in the history of this country, we need to have a clear idea about what's going on. We need to have a clear comprehension of the laws governing this development. We need to know why it's happening, how it led to this. And in my view, Marxism best addresses these questions, because Marxism is the science of historical change.

Marxism does not attribute the changes in history and the changes in developments that occur in pre-industrial, industrial societies and across other historical epics to ideas, whether they're correct or incorrect. Marxism does not say that the reason things are happening now is because bad people are doing bad things. It neither

attributes this to good people doing good things. Marxism allows us to comprehend that at a

fundamental structural and systemic level, there are contradictions. There are contradictions which are unavoidable, regardless of the ideas that we have in our head. And they're related to how society is structured at the level of our relationships to production, the production of our

livelihoods, the production of our communities, the production of our existence at the most

fundamental and even physical level. Marxism does not seek to, in the first place, impose some kind of magical solution to all of society's problems.

Marxism in the first place attempts to have a scientific comprehension of what is going on now

and only on the basis of

that analysis does Marxism

come to the conclusion

of where

we are headed

and what is the logical conclusion

of the current historical moment we're in?

And when we awaken to that conclusion, when we awaken to the realization of where we are and where we're headed,

we have clarity, which is exactly what we're lacking right now in this country everyone is witnessing the profound

changes that are happening at every level of society and they're trying to explain them

in unscientific ways in mystified ways They're trying to resort to supernatural explanations. They're trying to

resort to explanations which inflame racial and ethnic divisions. People are resorting to

conclusions which pit them against their neighbors and blame them on other people having the

wrong ideas or the right ideas. They're trying to blame and lay all the fault on politicians

like Donald Trump, as though our country was just completely fine and perfect before Trump came along.

And the population has a clear general idea that there is a ruling class, that there is this elite that's ruling over us.

I don't mind.

Oh, am I over the thing?

Yeah.

I don't mind if you want to let him keep going.

My bad.

We can just end it there.

I think it's plenty to start off of.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay.

Hosey, five minutes on the clock.

Let's go.

I agree with you that there is a fundamental change in America.

But I think that what you're trying to explain as being Marxism, as being a determinant of what those different things are going to be, is both false and it's misleading in general.

So with the birth of the USSR communism had a viable face and a nation,

and it had a viable idea on how communism was going to be implemented.

In recognizing they were facing an enemy that was more industrially strong, more intellectually powerful, and more resource Latin, they created a new type of system that was also embraced by communist China.

It's been embraced by various movements around the world. It's called asymmetrical warfare.

That's what Marxism is.

Asymmetrical warfare.

So let me explain the definition.

Asymmetrical warfare is a type of conflict where opposing forces have significantly different military

capabilities, strategies, and tactics, often involving unconventional tactics by a weaker force to exploit vulnerabilities of a stronger opponent.

This is what Marxism has used to gain its foothold in areas which have seen division, whether it be racial, economic, national, or any other type of division.

Today we see a new name that's added to this. It's called the resistance.

You can see it in the Middle East with the access of resistance encompassing Lebanon, Syria, Iran, the Houthis in Yemen, and the Palestinian Liberation

Organization, and the various Palestinian factions that encompass that organization.

They use the term resistance here in America, too. The Democratic Party uses it when they want to claim that

they're facing an asymmetrical element in the forces of Donald Trump and the billionaire class.

They claim that this enemy is unable to be reached through typical legal means, so needs to be

resisted at every level, both legal and illegal, leading to

mass chaos, loss of property, loss of life, and many other negatives that you can see.

How has what have you believe that this type of revolutionary mission to promote Marxism to its logical conclusion of a universal communism or a universal Marxism is all smokescreen.

It's why they like to call themselves resistance agents or revolutionaries.

It's because what they don't want to call themselves is what they are,

which is chaos agents.

This has openly been expressed by Haas

and his references to his MAGA communism.

Maga-communism is an idea that Donald Trump

leads a movement of people who are fundamentally opposed to the structures of American society.

They're the most apt, the most likely, and the most available to be revolutionaries in this country because they tend not to trust the powers that be, and they tend to support

different types of revolutionary ideas, some will call them conspiracy theories, whatever it may be.

But this isn't the case. The people that support Trump, the people that support MAGA,

are all about returning America to a

time and period where our empire

stretch from one end of the world to the other

and was seen as a force of good,

if nothing, just by Americans, but usually

by other nations as well.

The type of people who in the past

we've labeled as revolutionaries

and resistance fighters,

Joseph Stalin, Mao Zaytung, Fidel Castro,

Yasser Arafat, the Kin Dynasty in North Korea,

these are the people that has us talking about when he's talking about revolutionaries now what do all these people have in common they became incredibly rich from their their former Marxism while their people became incredibly poor and started starving they want to point out the victories that they've won against Israel, against America,

against whatever power they happen to be fighting, but they tend to leave out the two greatest

victories that they have because they understand what it means to try to explain this to people.

Those are in Rhodesia and South Africa.

Both those revolutionary movements brought into power Robert Mugabe and Nelson Mandela,

communist revolutionaries who immediately started

implementing Marxist policies when they were able to

liberate their countries from what they considered racial

discrimination.

They used terrorism and international influence in order to do this, and were able to use those terms conclusively when they

took power until the infrastructure started to fail. And then you saw the immediate return to racial strife,

murder and terror in order to scapegoat those who they felt were unavoidably capitalist

or unavoidably able to be scapegoated, such as Jews and whites.

Those populations

were completely expelled from

Zimbabwe, which used

to be Rhodesia, and in South Africa,

they would more likely than not leave if they

could, but a lot of them don't have any place to go.

You see that they're being targeted

by the ruling class

in both those countries for murder and their

murderers are very rarely punished as they

steal their property. Politicians run

for office, screaming, kill the board,

kill the white man, kill the people that

have done you wrong. This is a revolutionary.

This is resistance.

I'm sure you saw it when you were at

Nasrallah's funeral a couple months ago,

who you praised as being a revolutionary and a

resistance leader. A man who bombs

children. A man who openly kills

American soldiers. A man who

targets American interests throughout the

kind of throughout the world.

These are not the people that we want to see.

Okay, I'll stop.

All right, cool.

I should have done this before, fellas, but I forgot at the start, but you guys want to

really quickly give like a 10 second introduction to yourself in what you guys don't know really quickly. Give like a 10-second introduction

to yourself in what you believe, starting with Haas. I'm Hazaldine, and I'm the executive

chairman of the American Communist Party. I'm also host of the Infrared Show. And that's all.

And Halsey?

I am Halsey English.

I am an American patriot.

I am a father.

I'm a family man.

I have a YouTube channel that I rarely use anymore.

I've been gravitating more towards Twitter spaces,

and that's where you can find me.

We're happy to be talking about anything that comes up, and I'm very much looking forward to this debate. By the way,

also afterwards, we'll be hosting like, kind of like an, afterwards we're going to have like a

bit of an after-party Twitter space. How's you're more than welcome to come. Same with you, Jake.

Raylan Stark is going to be hosting.

It's on my feed.

All right. Awesome.

Should have done at the start, but, you know.

Sorry about that.

No, no, that's my bad.

So, guys, also we're going to be reading,

we're going to be reading out some super chats at the end,

but as the debate goes, they're just going to be on screen.

So with that, fellas, I'm going to kick it into open dialogue.

Obviously, you said many things that I would object to,

but wasn't our country, the United States of America, founded by a revolution?

It was founded by a revolution, but it was founded by a revolution of the aristocratic class.

There weren't very many people that were in poverty.

There weren't very many people that didn't have skin in the game when they formed the revolution. In fact, they formed the revolution

over things that were almost kind of nonsense. Like the tax, the tax on tea and the taxes of the

stamp act were very, we're hardly even even implemented it was just the idea of it that

pissed them off so bad they wanted freedom from britain which is what they fought for it wasn't

a revolutionary thing until they decided that the type of government they were going to implement

was going to be a constitutional form of government with guaranteed rights. That was what was revolutionary.

But once they did decide that, the yield men, the small farmer, was actually the decisive

element to carry that revolution to victory.

Otherwise, these aristocrats that you're talking about wouldn't have gone anywhere.

But that would assume that those small farmers were able to fund the war themselves, which they weren't.

In fact, there was many times where the American Revolution...

You can have as much funds as you want, but if you don't have manpower and people willing to actually die and be martyred for the cause, which many of the American revolutionary soldiers were, in fact, believing in the ideal, believing in independence as a principle.

You couldn't have won that war. It was a revolutionary war.

Yeah, but again, with the people having nothing but sticks and stones to throw at the other side, they have a very unlikely possibility of winning as well. It was capitalist war bonds that funded the war and that were made it possible for them to die. That's why it says in the Declaration of Independence to this, we pledge our fortunes and everything

else to this revolution.

It didn't mention that they just focus

their energy and their idealism.

It said they also focus their lives

and their material possessions.

Right. They could have

financed the war to buy

arms as much as they wanted, but if you didn't

have the manpower with the right

morale to fight that war,

it could not have been won.

So they didn't technically have

that. They had the support of about

15% of the country when the,

when the revolution was first proposed. Washington actually told the,

the people up in Boston to knock it off, that they were antagonizing Britain in a way

that they should be antagonized. And that just goes to show that there was such a revolutionary

fervor and ferment already existing in what was at that time the 13 colonies, that indeed it was the popular majority that actually was the material force that was decisive. Now, when it comes to the finances and the strategizing and the planning, most revolutions

taken at that level are carried out by minorities.

But if you don't have the support of the popular majority if they're not fully on board

if they're not going to be the momentum of the revolution and the force of the revolution

right then nothing moves nothing happens so to say that is just a wealthy you're using a

but you're using a bad terminology you're using a bad terminology.

You're using a bad statement because it's not true.

There wasn't a popular majority in America that was for revolution or independence.

It was a minority, a very, in fact, very small one.

But you just said that Washington had to tell people to knock it off.

That kind of suggests that there was a popular stratum in this country.

No, it was a very small revolt in Boston that encompassed about 200 people. It wasn't much at all.

They, that committed the tea party.

Revults rarely begin with everyone simultaneously rising up every revolution in history however popular it is always begins with minorities who are willing to take a stand in a slave revolt the majority of slaves yearn for emancipation they They yearn for independence and dignity.

Sometimes it takes one guy

to stand up to inspire everybody else

to do the same. I would say it always does.

Absolutely. And that was the case for the American

Revolution like any other revolution in history.

It doesn't negate the fact that

this was a popular revolution. No, that's not true. It doesn't negate the fact that this was a popular revolution.

No, that's not true. It wasn't that it took one man to inspire. It wasn't that it took one

movement to inspire. It was the way that Britain decided to fight the war once the revolution

began that really inspired people to actually want to draw it by housing soldiers and

people's homes. The sentiment against Britain was already so entrenched it in the country at the time

that the British soldiers were seen as an occupation force. It absolutely was not. Well,

we're going to have to agree to disagree because the yeoman small farmer, the tax burden that they had faced because of the British crown was one of the fundamental motivating factors that led people to get tired.

The fact that they didn't have...

I think you're overestimating what a small farmer was

there weren't that many small farmers in america there they just weren't there were there were

large farmers in america but the farming class was not so huge that that they could do anything

in fact it was mostly the working class that worked for the farmers in

addition to the slaves that would that would work on farms that would do kind of farm work there

weren't so many small farms that were involved and there definitely weren't so many small farmers

what would a yeoman be then?

What is a yeoman?

I would say they were just a worker at the time.

If you look at slavery in the South,

only 1.7% of the population

at any given time own slaves.

It wasn't that it was a huge

outcome, and trust me, owning slaves at the time much smarter than owning slaves. It wasn't that it was a huge outcome. And trust

me, owning slaves at the time, much smarter

than owning. Those are small subsistence

farmers. Oftentimes, they do have to

work for big farmers because of debt burdens

and other kinds of things. But I don't understand

what you're getting at with the slavery thing.

What I'm saying is that there weren't a large amount of farmers involved I don't understand what you're getting at with the slavery thing.

What I'm saying is that there weren't a large amount of farmers involved in all of this because there weren't a larger amount of farmers in the first place. There were plenty of people that grew crops in order to feed themselves.

I think the yield men were a pretty, I think subsistence farmers were a pretty sizable majority at the time of the colonies.

No, they just weren't. They just weren't. So you're saying that workers who worked for large farm landowners were the majority and not human.

I'm saying that there were plenty of industrial workers

even back then.

There were people that turned trees into wood.

There were people that looked for fish

and for things like that.

There were all types of workers

that were present in America.

They were not small farmers.

That's fine, but there was also a sizable amount of yield men in the early days.

Again, we went from sizable majority to sizable amount.

There were plenty of them, but there was not a sizable majority of them.

Oh, yeah, as long as we can agree, there are plenty of them.

I'm willing to.

Sure.

I just reject the view that there weren't a lot.

You know, I think that's pretty unreasonable.

What I'm rejecting is, I don't want to get caught in the weeds.

Well, I'm rejecting is the idea that the American Revolution was a popular movement of a majority

of Americans, which at the time it absolutely

was not. It wasn't until the war started and the way for... Exactly.

When the war started, when it actually started to become decisive,

when it became real,

yes,

it became a popular revolution.

I don't know if I'd say that,

but a majority cannot...

Just for the purpose of arguments,

so we don't get caught in the weeds,

I'll just concede it.

Sure,

because I think the reason I bring it up in the first place is because if you are going to stake out a position according to which the revolutionary position, the revolutionary history, the history of resistance, that all of that is associated with being a chaos agent and it's fundamentally antithetical to your values as an American patriot.

I just find there to be a contradiction because the America is founded upon a revolutionary principle.

There would not be a United States of America

without a revolution to begin with.

No, the difference in what I'm talking about

is that the revolutionary principle

that started the American Revolution

was the revolts up in Boston,

which was literally a couple hundred people. It was rejected by the vast

majority of the aristocratic class in America who weren't for forming war with Britain. Yes, that's true.

The aristocratic class are the ones who decided to take up arms when it became necessary and run the

revolution. It wasn't the revolutionary class.

It wasn't revolutionary acts.

It was the aristocratic class with military experience

that decided to take up the mantle.

The people who signed the Declaration of Independence,

these were not small people.

These were very large.

I never, we're shifting the, the, the point of contention here. At no point did I say

that the people who signed the Declaration of Independence were common people. Again, the

leaders of revolutions are rarely the majority of the population. Leaders are by definition always a

minority, and yes, they oftentimes are very privileged and aristocratic because they have to have

the resources or at least the privilege and spare time to be able to commit themselves

full-time to a revolutionary principle.

So that's besides the point.

But what I'm trying to say is that at the point in which they decided to take up leadership of an already existing revolutionary sentiment and fervor, they basically unleashed a dormant and latent force, which you yourself had already agreed was already there, that was coming from the popular stratum. I will agree with that, but I will also agree that the principles in which they fought for were independence minded.

They were not based on revolutionary principles.

They were based on...

Right, but what carried...

What carried the foundation of the United States of America as a country, what carried that to its conclusion, what the thing upon whose back it was a possibility, right? That was the uprising of the revolutionary masses. Without them, nothing would have happened. A bunch of aristocrats

with ideas and pens and quills

would have not been able to do anything.

I agree that.

I'm just telling you,

I'm just telling you,

you couldn't be more wrong.

The biggest act of revolution

that the colonists decided to do was actually sending a declaration of independence.

Do you think that's been done before where they sent the occupying power a note saying these are the reasons that compel us to the separation?

These are the reasons in which we have objected to your rule to the point where we can find no further way to justify your occupation.

The Jacobin French revolutionaries like St. Just and Robespierre originally didn't even want to overthrow the monarchy. They just wanted a constitutional monarchy.

But to say that they're not revolutionaries would be a little ridiculous.

I'm not saying they're not revolutionaries. I'm saying there's nothing to begin. But revolutions, I think this is the hang-up.

Revolutions don't begin with an a-priority revolutionary ideal that you want to impose upon reality.

A revolution is a consequence of the fact that you could have a very reasonable, moderate, and normal position. And because of the

unreasonableness or the irrationality of the prevailing power or because of the intensity of the

contradictions that make that impossible, That's why revolutions happen.

You know, revolutions are not...

So you're not...

So you mentioned the Bolshevik...

You mentioned the Bolshevik revolution.

Let me just make one more point first.

Bolshevik revolution did not happen.

Can I just make this one point first before we change, change speeds? The American Revolution was not happen. Can I just make this one point first before we change

change speeds? The American Revolution was not fought over a

revolutionary ideal. It was fought off there because rights were

being, rights were being denied that were promised. They didn't, they didn't

look at these rights as being revolutionary. They were promised by the British

Crown. They just were never delivered.

So when they decided to separate, it

was because of a broken contract, which is

a very capitalist and un-revolutionary

ideal. The notion of a

revolutionary ideal is derivative

from the

objective reality of

revolutions across history that at

certain points become necessary

regardless of the ideological

convictions of those that carry

them to their conclusion. Robespier

and St. Just did not begin with revolutionary ideals.

They discovered these ideals.

They discovered the necessity of these ideals because they corresponded to the reality they

were living in.

But Americans never did that.

American never changed their ideals. The ideals they

wanted from the beginning were what they implemented when they won and the reason for what they

yourself have proven that they did because originally they didn't even want independence.

Originally. Because they just wanted to press for their rights exactly and they

realized that they would have to awaken to a revolutionary principle in order for that to be

possible no they didn't they just realized that negotiations were never going to work again so

they took up arms it was just a natural progression exactly and they took up arms. It was just a natural progression. It wasn't revolutionary.

And they took up arms and they carried out a

revolution and thus acquiesced to

the necessity of a revolutionary ideal.

Again, I'm not

going to concede that it was a revolutionary ideal because it absolutely

was not.

It, you, you, you, you have made the argument that it didn't begin that one.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think that it's a good idea to move on because, you know,

Haas is making the argument that obviously he believes that America has that

revolutionary spirit, but then even if we look at that in the modern day, I'd like to get into what that would actually look like if that revolutionary spirit were to sort of be embodied.

Oh, that sounds really interesting. I'd like to also do that.

Yeah, one might, one might look at the MAGA movement, for example,

and think that that's revolutionary in its nature.

So, yeah, let's get into that.

Maybe you can kick us off, Halsey,

why you think that Marxism isn't the answer to whatever needs are pressing today?

Because Marxism is a system in which oppression becomes mandatory and in which theft becomes

institutionalized.

There is no way that you can justify the stealing of someone's property and distributing

it to other people based on an idea of fairness and have it

work out to anything but starvation, unhappiness, and general misery, laziness, and a lack of

ability to want to move forward and thrive as a nation. So the idea that this is where we're at right now, and the answer is basically more welfare, that's nuts.

I mean, that is nuts.

Everything you just described is what the Federal Reserve is doing, not Marxism.

How is the Federal Reserve doing that?

The Federal Reserve banks are plundering and looting this country as we speak.

As we recently saw with the stock market, they're tanking the pension funds that so many ordinary working class people rely upon by manipulating the stock market in order to punish all the people who had to sell off stocks because of the recent tariffs. So this is just something that happened literally today, you know, where the robbery is on.

I'm saying I can, I can use our tax dollars to bail out banks through the treasury that were private entities that in no way are accountable or answerable to the American public. And we paid for that. They stole that from us.

Where's the Marxism in this equation? I don't see it. I don't think Marxism has anything to do

with expanding welfare or theft or any of these things you're talking about. The theft and the stuff

you're talking about, all that is happening under capitalism.

Marxism is just a way of trying to scientifically understand why history is changing in the way that it is,

so that we can have the necessary clarity to know these laws of development so that they are no longer a source of of of of strife confusion and decay for us and so i mean let me let me, let me answer to that, please.

I mean, first of all, the idea that Marxism is a scientific definition or explanation of anything is compatently nuts.

But as far as the Federal Reserve goes, the Federal Reserve has done whatever it's done in order to print currency and put

currency as the government demands into existence. But if you look at just something as simple as

Social Security, right, Social Security, which is inherently a socialist program, even every Marxist

that's ever existed in this country would agree to that. And what happens is, is that social security, if you put, if you, okay, well, then I'll just assume that you're a little different, but let me make my point. That social security, if you invested your money into social security from the

beginning or you invested it into a a s mp 500 fund you would probably have about 10 times the amount of

money and you would own it as opposed to it being a benefit of the government and that is between

all of the times that everyone's complained and whined

that the Federal Reserve has issued too much debt

or as bailed out people that they shouldn't have,

which by the way they've been doing since its exception.

I don't particularly like the Federal Reserve System,

but I just know that a country that spends more than it has

has to have some system in order to finance that. And we can talk about destroying the Federal

Reserve and going back to some standard like gold or some other commodity that could be, that can be

measured. And maybe that would be economically viable maybe but to try to

put the this on the federal reserve as opposed to the united states government which tells the

federal reserve how much money to print is is again just patently nuts how How does the government tell the Fed what the interest rates are?

Because that's done by a cartel of private banks.

And they have independence from government policy.

Because the Federal Reserve exists to try to limit the amount of inflation that's going to be produced by modern monetary theory. Again, not a big fan of modern monetary theory, but when they say that inflation is getting too high, they have to institute the only methods they know how in order to limit that inflation so that people don't actually start.

Which, funny enough, they've been actually quite good at over the last couple years.

We like to think that we were struck by this inflationary reaction to the world.

But you know what?

We really weren't.

The inflation rates made things harder on people,

but that's because the Federal Reserve wasn't aggressive enough

in trying to limit inflation,

not because they were too lax,

not because they gave away too much,

not because they decided to do anything.

It was because their intervention

was trying to limit the amount

of money that was entering the money

supply, and they weren't trying

to drive up interest rates too high, which is

how you would normally limit inflation.

So they drove them up just enough

to kind of halt it, but not really enough to sink it.

Hold on. So you don't think that the Federal Reserve private banks are robbing the American people

and stealing from that? They're absolutely not robbing the American people. If they were robbing

the American people, you would see the robbery

in clear day. What they're trying to do is limit the pain. We are seeing it. We're seeing it in the

form of the 50 to 60 or 70% of our income tax is going to paying interest on the national debt, which is debt that is a consequence

of the money that's being printed by these private banks, which somehow were liable for. Let's stop

being silly on this. You do realize that more than 51% of Americans don't pay any taxes at all.

They get back more money than they give into the federal

government every single year. And I'm not talking about

the joint benefit of roads and houses. I'm

talking about a refund check they get from the

government that is more than they paid in. I think there's

plenty of working class Americans. The idea that

all of our money, the idea that all of our money is going to pay for some kind of national debt.

No, it's just easy.

Yeah, approximately 50% of our income taxes go to servicing interest that is from the national debt.

Yeah, and that's what they say right before they borrow more money to give you right back that same money.

So it's not going to.

How is it being given back exactly?

Have you never gotten an income tax return check?

Yeah, well, they're clearly not nearly as much as what the government even takes from me,

and I barely make anything.

And there's plenty of working class...

I'm saying most people I know make more than they pay in.

And the economic advisor...

I don't know who you're talking to because I know plenty of working class people.

It's not a talking to.

It's clear as day in economic reviews of everything that 51% of Americans pay zero income tax.

Well, I think there's plenty enough working people in this country who are paying too much.

Who feel like they're paying taxes?

Who are paying way more

than they need to be just because we're paying off debt

that is not even our own and that we didn't even sign it for.

Nothing is more than they need to be?

They're paying the debt that is not ours, but is in fact, they're not paying anything.

They are not paying into the system.

They get back more than they put in.

This is literally like the one thing you're not allowed to say in politics that everybody

left and right agrees on that 51% of the population doesn't. is literally like the one thing you're not allowed to say in politics that everybody left

and right agrees on that 51% of the population doesn't pay any income tax.

Are you saying that because you're claiming that they're getting more in tax returns than

what they paid?

They get more from the system back than they put into it.

What are you talking about? What are you talking about? How do they get more back? From what?

From the... They get it back from either welfare benefit or they get it back from tax returns.

Okay. So I'm just going to go ahead and press X to doubt that for the majority of people,

tax returns

cover what they paid in their personal

income taxes or total taxes.

You know what? I'll tell you what. I'll

get used as some statistics while you're talking

because I'm sure you have lost. For tax

returns in particular, because I just

don't think that's true at all.

Yeah.

I'd be interested.

So, Haas, your argument is basically that in terms of the ills that we're talking about at the moment, that actually this is a product of the Federal Reserve and this international banking can't tell.

More specifically, it's a product of the

rule and reign of the capitalist class.

It has nothing to do with Marxism.

No, what it actually is as a result of...

There are no significant Marxists at all

anywhere in any reins of power or decision

making in this country.

I would say that's not true.

I would say that Marxism prevails pretty heavily

in the university system, in the legal system.

It might not be in the political class,

but it definitely is a need to me.

Take it from an actual Marxist

that if I go into a university

and start talking about Marxism, they're

going to call me a bigot, they're going to say that I'm

transphobic, and they're going to say that

I'm not attune enough to the microaggressions of gender

toilets or something. I'm telling you now

that... You know what? I'm just going to take your word for it, but I don't, I don't,

what the CIA helped do with the Congress for Cultural Freedom is hijack some of the

popular Marxist ideas that were kind of gaining traction in universities and completely steer that away from Marxism

and toward this nebulous identity politics nonsense that was fundamentally toothless, devoid of any revolutionary potential whatsoever,

and more fundamentally did not target the ruling capitalist class.

It targeted white men, even working class white men. It targeted straight people. It targeted

ably-bodied people, even healthy people who are not fat, and saying these are all the real oppressors, not Wall Street, not the banks, not the private cartel of banks that form the Federal Reserve. The real enemy is, in fact, your neighbor because they're white or they're a man or they're cisgender or something like that.

So that's the madness that's going on in the universities right now.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism.

Just quickly.

I'm going to jump in.

Just for one second, Halsey, sorry um so this is where I find it

interesting in terms of like listening to hars and your and your descriptions and prescriptions

of things because generally when people think of uh communists they think of these sort of like

gay race communists that we see um on the streets today So in terms of your prescriptions and the way that

you see it, why do you think that Marxism in particular is a good remedy for the ills that we're

seeing? You want to go first or you want me to? Yeah, if Haas could go first. Yeah, well, I think that

Marxism has immensely important explanatory value,

even just as an analytical tool, because it allows us to understand the changes happening in our society

without having to resort to idealistic explanations, that's just the wrong ideas or that it's just the wrong type of people. If we can understand that our problems have to do with objective qualities of our system, then just off the bat, we have better

clarity. Also, I think that

politics is rigged against the majority

in this country. I think politics is for the minority,

which is people who have immensely large

volumes and sums of money.

And what Marxism teaches us, and what

empowers us with the ability of is to strategize about how

the majority can pool their labor, pool their resources to come together to actually have a seat

at the table at the very least. So that's why I think Marxism is very important.

It gives the majority a chance to be able to actually build power without having billions and billions of dollars.

So a couple points on that.

The reason that we extended into this gay, woke nonsense in the university system is because the economic rationale for Marxism just wasn't taking hold in this country, nor would it probably ever do much well in this country from its

phase. People are generally opposed to taxes. People are generally opposed to government programs in

this country, even if they're polled and say that it's something that they want. When it comes down to it,

they tend to oppose it. So what happens is, is that in order to stoke revolution, and you know, you know,

what cultural Marxism is. I don't have to school you on this kind of stuff. They understand the asymmetrical

warfare angle of it, is that what is needed in order to bring about a revolution are ideas that get

people tuned in, that get people angry at their neighbor, that get people

wanting to stand up for minorities, that get people wanting to take the majority and make them

the enemy. So that's why you see white men being the enemy in this country. You don't see them wanting

to pool their labor and

work with all the different minorities and everything

else in order to advance anything.

You see a revolution where we're now so

divided on little

stupid shit that we're willing

to argue about whether a guy is a guy

with a dick is actually a girl or not.

So I just find one problem I have to point out before I forget it.

Okay, please.

If the problem, if the reason for the woke stuff is because there is no basis for Marxism anymore, at least as I'm describing it.

Economic.

Because the majority of people, for example, are against taxes and stuff.

Doesn't that contradict the claim you just made earlier that the majority of people don't pay taxes at all?

I would say that the majority of people that don't pay taxes don't realize that they don't pay taxes

because they don't realize that a refund check is a refund on their taxes.

I don't think they realize that welfare is a distribution of money to them.

I think that a lot of people don't realize the tax rate and you know what happens?

If any of them, and I've done this myself, I've lived overseas for 11 years.

Anyone who goes to another country and they realize that when they actually pay the percentage of taxes to the government, they never get shit back, they freak out.

They don't even know how to how to deal with the situation.

And they think they're paying 80, 90% of their money in taxes because all that money comes out of their paychecks and they never get anything back.

It's a very unique system here.

I don't know why.

I did it very well.

I, well, we're not going to agree on the point of

people making more on refunds and they do on the income tax and you know as you know the majority

of people aren't even on welfare so but in any case look I think that the best argument I could make for why I think that Marxism has always been relevant and at no point was the basis for Marxist ideas gaining traction gone is because it took right-wingers like Donald Trump to tap into angry working-class sentiment,

which was there the whole time. It's just that there were no Marxists in this country

to tap into that or to recognize it. And that's a big problem.

You know, that's one of the reasons our movement has made a big splash because we're bringing Marxism back to this country after it's been gone for so many decades.

But it's actually Trump and the right, which has managed to successfully tap into class struggle and class

grievances

proving that in fact there was

always room there was always

irrelevance for Marxism you know who said this

was Steve Bannon you know in a recent

podcast he did he admitted he, I can't believe how badly the left fumbled the back. He said, we've in him referring to himself, the right wingers in the GOP, he said it was a cakewalk for us. He said, if the left just double down on the bernie sanders stuff

more aggressively if they just had the teeth to stand up to hillary clinton and the democratic

party they would have wiped us if they leveraged class struggle because he saw on the ground

how significant that factor of the angry working

class American blue collar worker was to tip the scales politically. And he was shocked that there

was no left-wing politics, no Marxism, that was tapping into this.

So if the right wing, anti-communist,

anti-Marxist like Steve Bannon, is admitting that, I think it's a pretty damning indictment

on the idea that Marxism

lost relevance in this country.

I don't think that the opinions of Steve

Bannon matter all that much to me or many other people.

But again, I'll concede the point of his edit.

I don't think he is a Marxist, but I think that the sentiment that Donald Trump tapped into, hence the phrase, make America great again, was to have the

opportunity for people to earn

a living and to be able to be left alone

by the government. It wasn't that

we wanted to institute some kind of universality

or some kind of universal Benny system

where we start getting all kinds of shit from the government.

There's no one that actually wants that.

China and Vietnam do not have very robust welfare systems like we do here.

China and Vietnam aren't robustly communist anymore.

They're just authoritarian.

But if we implemented 1% of the policies or system that China has here, everyone would be immediately rushing to the streets, decrying and denouncing it as communism. As a matter of fact, I have, well, okay, if we turned

most of our major corporations into

state-owned enterprise, then nationalize the

banking system. Yes, people would absolutely freak out.

Right, but that's the system China. That's the system

China has in place right now.

So, you know, I think

it can't really be said that China isn't led by Marxists. It absolutely is.

I mean, China has billionaires. China has millionaires. What are those people just very lucky?

Nowhere in Marxism does it prescribe the construction of a system or the construction of a form of governance that eliminates the possibility of extremely wealthy people. Nowhere.

Nowhere does it say that? You're really going with that absolutely nowhere so the idea of a

of a bourgeois class is not defined by wealth the bourgeois is defined primarily by the

bourgeois is defined primarily by the control and the ownership it has over the means of production.

As you can see in China, there is no class that exercises any such unilateral control.

The government, even if it decentralizes the task of the management of the economy and it

entrusts this in the hands of people, you know, so-called private sector, we know that in

China there's no real private sector.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

How on earth are you expecting people to...

China has a stock market.

That's what a stock market is.

It's private ownership of companies.

That's what you do.

You buy stock in a company, you own a part of it.

If they have a stock, a very robust stock market, if we're going to go with the view that it's private,

it is clearly not a form of private property that is in any way compatible or familiar

to the more Anglo-American notion of what property actually is. Chinese companies list on the

American stock exchange.

We have private ownership of Americans of Chinese goods.

Every single one of these companies

sitting on the board

that directs and manages these companies

are members from the

Communist Party of China.

So as I said authoritarian doesn't mean marxist well the the companies are directed and controlled by the party they don't have autonomy they don't own it it's not

theirs exclusively. There is

a degree of discretion that they have

of course. It's kind of like decentralization.

And of course people are

allowed to get wealthy

and they're allowed to have nice things.

But it is still

You're describing this cronyism and you're decrying it here, but you're somehow

celebrating there. That's nuts.

The idea, the idea that cronyism is somehow an acceptable form of governance when it sucks here,

but it's awesome there because the Communist Party are the cronies?

They're not cronies.

The Communist Party serves the overwhelming majority of the nation rather than the private

plunderers and profiteers that rule our country.

Really? Are you really going to go with that? That Chinese Communist Party

serves the interests of the people of China.

Are you really going to go with that?

Have you been to China?

Have you seen footage that's coming out of China?

I have met with a large amount of Chinese citizens.

China is laughing our country. It's not even close. I've worked with a large amount of Chinese citizens. China is laughing

our country. It's not even close. I've worked

with think tanks that have worked with

China. And if you want to look at China, just look

at the difference between China and Taiwan.

Same people, two different systems. China is

much better. China does it. Much better.

Much more advanced. Much better in China does it. Much better. Much more advanced.

Much better in China than Taiwan.

The People's Republic of China is much more developed and advanced than the Republic of China, yes.

Really?

It is.

The People's Republic of China is living in 2072.

They're living in 20172.

They're living in 2017.

Whereas Taiwan creates and produces the most advanced

computer chips known to man.

And you're trying to tell me the people's Republic of China is rapidly catching up and they're

going to be able to produce it themselves. They're rapidly going bankrupt. They're not even able

to sell real estate. They're real estate sectors in the toilet because people are going to go

bankrupt. They've been saying that for decades that they're going to go bankrupt and collapse

anyone. Go to the ghost cities. You can see

pictures of them. They're readily available on the internet.

They built huge skyscrapers that nobody fucking wants.

You know what the difference between a ghost city and China

and an extremely dense populated city

is like five to ten years.

So they begin not that populated.

Once it becomes more lucrative and affordable, people

start pouring in. It's just that there's a long-term plan as far as urban development within China.

It's not that these cities are going to be ghost cities forever. There's a long-term plan. The cities in

China are hideously overpopulated smog centers.

You can't even go outside half the time in some of those cities.

You're talking about China from 10 to 15 years ago.

Okay.

It's not the same place.

Just take it from me.

It's not.

Go to Beijing today and tell me about this

mog. You won't find it.

Okay. Okay. You know what?

I'll take your word for it just so we can move on from this

ridiculous argument. I mean,

again, I just don't buy what you're saying.

Well, look, all I could say is this.

In China, private plunderers whose only motivation is profit are not in control.

The people that are in control.

No, a party is in control.

Right. And to be clear, so that we don't have to be normative or prescriptive here or whatever, the party in China, what rules China is a plan. They have a plan for developing their country. That's what's in command and firm command and control of the country. Not the interests of the private sector, sector, profiteers and capitalists who are just

trying to look after their own bottom line at the expense of the majority.

I'm saying they've had a plan from the way, let me just make my one point.

They've had a plan from the beginning.

There was the great leap forward. There was a

whole bunch of other things which led to 60 million people

starving to death. So sometimes

a plan isn't that great, but America has never

really had much of plan. And we don't have

this kind of starvation and

desperation year.

So our homeless people are fat.

Our poor people have air conditioning.

China doesn't have the starvation either.

And the reason that they had a famine in the past was because they had to autarkically and from

scratch build the foundations of a modern industrial economy without any assistance, without

any help, without any foreign capital,

while simultaneously being

besieged by the world, and even the Soviet

Union because of the Sino-Sovietzsche. They had a

plan that murdered the babies.

They murdered babies.

I don't know what you're talking about. They literally aborted half the population that would exist so that they wouldn't all starve to death. They they aborted

babies in order to do this. And you're trying to say they had a good plan. Regardless, okay,

look, regardless of your views on abortion, I think we have abortion

in this country as well, so we're also murdering babies. I guess everyone in the world is murdering

babies. It's not really an exclusively Chinese evil, regardless of your views on abortion.

I'm not an abortion absolutist. I'm just saying that you're trying to

make it seem like they had this happy, happy fun plan where everybody was handed. When did I say that?

They murdered babies in order to not expand the population. First of all, that's not true. Second of all,

the reason for the one child policy, many in China regard

as a mistake, but the reason for it at the time

was because they thought that if they were overpopulated,

it's not that everyone's going to starve.

Wait, are you saying they had a plan?

Is that why they did it? Because they had a plan?

Because before you were talking about how fucking awesome

their plan is. And now all of a sudden their plan sucked and they made a lot of plan. Because before you were talking about how fucking awesome their plan is.

And now all of a sudden their plan sucked

and they made a lot of mistakes.

Well,

you know what?

Lots of people die

when they fuck up

and have a plan

that's going to lead to a lot of things.

Are you saying abortion is murder?

Is that what you're saying?

Because if you're saying that,

then we're also guilty of that as well. I'm saying that when live babies were born and weren't male,

parents killed their babies.

I'm just going to press X to doubt on that.

But in any case, look, the thing is, is that I'm not claiming anything as happy, happy fun time when it comes to communism.

To actually make your country independent and self-reliant and industrialize it and create a better future for generations and generations to come, there has to be immense hardship.

There has to be immense sacrifice. It's not an easy thing. It's a really tough thing. And it tests the resolve and it tests the stuff out of which a nation and a people are made. And if you're not willing to make sacrifices like that, you don't deserve to exist as a people and a nation

and don't deserve to have independence

to begin with. What nation

would accept the tyranny and

slavery and colonialism of a foreign power?

They would take up arms and sacrifice everything

to win their freedom and independence.

And it's the same thing

is true when it comes to building economic and we're back to this again. No, it's not. It's not

the same thing. We're doing it now. We're doing it now with the Trump tariffs. We did not

need to implement. We did not need to implement. We did not need to implement universal murder policy. Trump is doing it now with the Trump terrorist. We did not

to start people to death. We industrialized with a profit motive

and it was fucking brilliant. No,

we industrialized to be clear.

And then when all the communist shitholes

started shedding communism, they all started

adopting it and they all started thriving without having to

Russia in the 1990s was doing worse than it was during World War II.

It was a disaster.

But look, there's two factors.

Yeah, the result of communism.

No, that was the result of capitalism, actually.

But look.

Oh, it was capitalism that got the communist country to starve to death.

I didn't realize.

Yes.

Once they dismantled the communist system, the Russians started starving.

They started dying in mass numbers.

They started dying of disease?

Do you know what the Holodomor was?

Do you know the mass starvations that

occurred throughout the history?

That was the last famine.

That was the last famine.

That was only 20 million.

It was just the last one.

No, it wasn't 20 million.

It was 20,000.

It was 20,000 trillion.

It was 20 quadrillion, to be clear, not 20.

I mean, look, I'm being facetious, but where are these numbers coming from?

It's a little ridiculous.

But look, here's the thing.

The $20 million starved in the whole Holodomor?

I thought that was literally just something everyone knew.

No, but it's a complete.

What are the numbers?

What were the numbers

that starved then?

You tell me, I'll

listen to you.

Historians,

the bourgeois historians,

I should rather say,

in the American academies,

will say that it's anywhere

from three to seven

that were the victims of the family.

And the majority of them didn't starve

to death. They died of diseases

that accompanied malnutrition.

So it's a, I know it's not

great, but it's...

So wait a minute, wait a minute. So just because

it wasn't 20, it was 3 to 7 million.

You sound like one of these people that say the Holocaust didn't happen because it was only two or three million.

We need to put this into perspective.

Around the world, under the capitalist system, the amount of people who die for the same reasons as in the

holodomor the malnutrition and disease and stuff it's 10 million per year so every year that

has passed since let's say the year 2000 25 times 10 million okay so do the math that's the death count for capitalism okay oftentimes the

numbers of the victims of capitalist starvation are not even counted as victims of a famine for example in, in India, during the time of the Great Leap Forward,

had a higher mortality rate as a consequence of malnutrition and poverty than China did even at the

height of its famine. Oftentimes, in third world, we call them third world developing countries that are under capitalist systems, the same thing is happening continuously all the time as the norm, but everyone just sees it as a human tragedy and they just call it extreme poverty and ignore it.

But in a communist system, when something goes wrong temporarily that's immediately fixed, that is universally acknowledges a major mistake, that never happens again. This exceptional circumstance of a disaster that's

happening, which is absolutely possible in any system, that's a huge indictment. And communism should

just be defined by the mistakes that have happened. Never mind all

of the benefits that actually established

a norm of having

food. No, don't say benefits

if you can. There were absolutely benefits

because what communism accomplished was raising

people to a baseline standard

of living that they had access to education, food, clothing, electricity, water, clean water, medicine.

That was the norm.

The great leap forward and the famine that happened in Ukraine, that was a rare exception.

The norm was a tremendous feat. You have to understand where they were coming from. These were backwater societies that came from nothing. The people

lived like animals and they were starving all the time and no one cared. Communism uplifted them to a

degree of power and industrial might that would have

never otherwise happened. And the best part about it is that they had no help, they had no help

and they had no assistance whatsoever from the global supply chains that were necessary to industrialize and develop every other

capitalist country like America. Without British capital and having access to that, we could have

never industrialized. We needed the industrial surpluses of European countries to come in and invest.

And even with that, it wasn't even like a free market system either.

We had a deeply protectionist system in place where we tariffed everyone.

We had protections for American industry.

And we prioritized heavy-handed state intervention

in the economy, state-construction, state-funded infrastructure, and so on and so on, to lay

the groundwork for American industrialization. To say that all of that Marxism and that the the dichotomy is

just used either have Marxism or you have free market capitalism ignores the fact

that the socialistic tendency you know that you because you're calling a lot of

things socialist or

communist or whatever that was there before Marxism Marxism just started

comprehending that in a scientific way but it didn't invent that it's a

tendency of human society that we've been tending towards almost naturally as a consequence of the development of history.

Yeah, do you know what the property rate was...

And for example, the Trump tariffs that are going on right now, I mean, to say that this isn't going to lead to immense human suffering and immense short-term sacrifices, at least short-term sacrifices.

And to simultaneously say that you're a Trump supporter, I don't understand how you square those two things,

because the Trump tariffs is going to be what tests us as a nation and as a country.

And I don't think anyone can agree that we're going to have a, you know,

rainbows and sunshine,

happy, happy fun time because of those.

Okay, so you just dropped a lot of shit on me that I'm going to address point by point.

Do you know what the poverty rate was to turn of the century

last year? Not the 20th century

but the 19th century.

What's the method? In the world. I'm talking global.

What's the methodology for

quantifying or measuring that? I'm using, I'm talking global. What's the methodology for quantifying or measuring that?

I'm using, I'm going to tell you exactly I use because I wanted to make sure I got the numbers right.

This was done by social income.org, our world and data, and the World Bank

all they all have the

same numbers. That in 1800,

the poverty rate was 80%.

At the end of

globalism, so to say, at the point we're at right

now, it's 10% worldwide.

So if you're trying to suggest that what I'm saying is as communism adapts more capitalist systems throughout the world, they raise people out of poverty.

The sharpest increases were when China started allowing more capitalism and when Russia started allowing more capitalism.

And you know what?

I'm with you on this whole true Russia, the true communism has never been tried.

Neither is true capitalism.

But all countries that embrace capitalistic principles move more towards food and money.

And the other ones move more towards poverty and starving.

China started more modernizing and having a more light industry consumer-based economy.

And it started developing more once it started having access to the

world market. How do you develop a

consumer based economy without money?

You have to have money to spend to do it.

In order to do that, you have to industrialize

and create industry. Money under Mao.

There was a very complex

monetary system. Sixty million people

starve to death under Mao. So, no,

you can't say that there was just money floating around

all over the place under Mao. 60

million people did not starve under Mao,

okay? And then second of all, there was a

very complex monetary system in place

before Deng Xiaoping's reform. So Deng didn't just bring all of the of all, there was a very complex monetary system in place before

Deng Xiaoping's reform. So Deng didn't just bring

all of the qualities and features

you're attributing to me. There were markets under

mouth. The thing that Deng did, that was

decisive, was a degree of the

decentralization, the introduction

of market reforms in the people's communes,

and finally, access to the world market, the total wealth of all mankind.

Did you just contradicted yourself completely? You just said that the whole reason China

was so fucking awesome was because they

had centralized control of all their industries. And then you say, what made them come out of

poverty? Decentralization. No, because you are getting two things confused. There were two

phases of the development of Chinese socialism. Under Mao, you have the primary stage.

This is what creates the framework of a modern industrial economy with the basics, the bare minimums and the basics.

That is the necessary foundation for any kind of industrialization.

You have to centralize the economy. You have to build a modern industrial system with basic, the basic rudiments of infrastructure and shared irrigation works and so on and so on for agriculture and so on. You have to have a lot of steel and iron production and so on. So that is

what Mao actually accomplished. And it could only have been done under the kind of system

that existed under Mao. Now, once that foundation had been laid successfully,

Deng Xiaoping could embark upon another stage,

which was a kind of layer on top of that, which made everything more dynamic and receptive

to the ability to assail the world market

in the direction of China being able to fulfill its plans.

So it's not that the Chinese economy became less planned or less socialistic,

it's that it became more dynamic and more capable of tapping into the forces of the world market,

pursuant to its aims of not just industrialization because the industrialization at the baseline level happened under Mao but more more broadly modernization so access to consumer light industry goods, the building and construction of cities and all the things we associate with modern information economies of scale and so on and so on.

And now that China has done that, they're lapping us, you know, and they have a socialistic system. And they're lapping us you know and they have a socialistic system and they're

lapping us if we are the bog standard for the golden standard for a capitalist system if you're

claiming that china's only successful because it adopted elements of our system why is china

surpassing us now, even though it's

more socialistic than we are?

Why is it, how are they, A,

I'm not saying that we're not, we don't have

an element of socialism. No, but they are

way more socialist than we are.

They're not laughing us, though. I don't know what measure,

what metric are you using that they're lapping us, though. I don't know what measure, what metric are you using that they're lapping us?

Compare one city in this country that looks like any of China's major cities.

Just one.

One city in this country that can.

So we're talking about the aesthetic value of a city.

No, not the aesthetic.

The functionality of the city, how modern, how clean it is, how functional it is, how efficient it is, how many amenities there are, how much it works, how much it is planned the right kind of way one city in this country

that can even hold a single candle to one of china's not even just their major cities

even some of their minor cities that they have that people don't even uh pay much attention

to they they're hiding how much they've laughed us they're scared that when we realize how advanced they are relative to us,

that we're going to get way more aggressive and stuff.

So they kind of, they followed Deng Xiaoping's motto,

which is hide your strength, bide your time.

They're living in 2075, man.

It's a completely different world.

I mean, I kind of recall that one of their scientific centers, Wuhan, has markets where people eat bats and shit and chop up meat without refrigeration.

And I can go to L.A. and show you people

eating shit.

Eating shit?

Yes, I've seen it.

Your argument is that people in L.A. are eating shit.

Go to the sidewalks, and you'll see.

They're eating shit.

I don't know how to answer this.

In San Francisco, they're eating.

That is so retarded.

I don't even know how to answer it.

The crackheads in New York subway and in San Francisco and in L.A.

are eating shit in L.A.

are eating shit in public.

I'm telling, are you trolling me?

I am not. I am here to just be a clown or something like, are you trying to be serious and say that people are eating shit?

People are going on to the sidewalk,

picking up human feces and eating them.

Yes.

Anyways, fellas, there's not exactly what the debate's about.

And that's not going on in China.

They are eating the dogs.

That's for sure.

They're definitely eating shit.

Because I've seen it um i wanted to move on

just slightly uh in terms of uh in terms of hold my website sorry in terms of prescriptions so um

i think that you guys might even agree about a few descriptions here and there.

But in terms of descriptions, Haas, because the debate is about why America needs communism,

we've done a good job of sort of laying the foundations and looking at China and Soviet Union and all of these different places.

But Haas, if you could come into power tomorrow and make sweeping changes to bring in Marxist

theory to America, it sounds like you'd want to abolish the Federal Reserve and you'd want

to centralize industry and all these sorts of things. So what would you do? Try and give

a brief summary as to what you do, and then we can have Halsey respond to that. I'd implement the

program of our communist party. So first thing I do as I'd wipe out all the debt. Just cancel it. And if the

bankers have a problem, we send them to labor camps in Alaska. They can't do anything. We're going to wipe out and cancel the debt. It's the first thing. We're going to reform the monetary system we have. The first step is going to be nationalizing, having a national bank that's going to be focusing more on investment into productive industry and productive enterprise, also giving way more opportunities to the average American, eliminating this rigged stock market with all these insiders and all these, you know, corrupt cronies who are, who are

monopolizing everything. So that would be the most fundamental change that would happen right

away is the changes to the monetary system. We'd probably also want to think about adopting a new

a new

way our currency works

because right now it's backed by nothing

and it has this disastrous quality

of simultaneously being a political

currency which we need to

you know,

pump into the economy, stabilize the economy, and a

global reserve currency, so that needs to change.

So reforms would happen at that level.

We would convert all of

the major industries, all the monopolies,

the energy industries, electricity,

you know, all the major corporations, the car manufacturers, we subsidize them already. We're giving them so much already. We would just nationalize them. We take them over, convert them to state-owned enterprises that are consolidated in the public interest.

Okay, so that would be the other, one of the other major things we would do.

You know, one of the things that we could do right away, just right off the get-go, right

off the bat, is just using credit from the state bank to

rapidly re-industrialize the country we're going to be building new infrastructure we're going to

be building new cities we're going to basically be uh taking out credit to do all these things

don't pay for itself that's how it works in China.

And another thing that we do is we reform the education system. We'd abolish these Ivy League parasite CIA nest colleges.

We'd have a new paradigm of education in place. We'd have more emphasis on trade schools, technical skills, things like that. I'd also shorten the workday. We'd have shorter working hours because we would calculate exactly how much we need to actually sustain the fundamentals of industry and the reproduction of society and so on and so on.

And actually, when you calculated, it comes down to in the 70s they did a study. It was about one hour per day.

It was probably even less today. I don't know.

We'd have a radical plan to basically shorten the working hours and then we would have an economy a parallel economy that starts developing based

on the information sphere post monetary economy information economy and the force industrial

revolution that's based in people's free time so you post-monetary economy, information economy, and the forced industrial revolution

that's based in people's free time.

So you clock in in the mines for one hour a day,

clock in the factory, one hour a day, whatever.

You have all this free time left of them.

You open up a bakery.

You pursue entrepreneurship.

All of it's going to be based on the information

economy, post-monetary economy, just like how when you want to start up something on the

internet that's digital, it's all going to be based on how many people are subscribing to you,

watching you, patronizing you, and so on and so on. So the framework for building an economy like

that in real life is in place, and it's going to be tied to the information sphere, and something

like that would be implemented, you know. So basically, it would be a radical transformation, rapid quantum leap into a socialist

construction, basically.

All right.

So, a lot to show on there.

Yeah, I know.

Let me, let me, I just want to make sure that I've got this straight.

We're going to just cancel the debt.

So we're going to tell everyone we owe money to do to go fuck themselves, right?

And after we tell them to go fuck themselves,

we're going to get rid of our national bank and create a new national bank

that's under the guise of the

Marxist government, but the one that we

have already, which is the height of all

evil, it's going to be replaced by one that's just

fucking awesome. It's elected by the ACP, the Communist Party.

Okay, so again,

you're taking one state run bank

and you're saying your state run bank is going to be better.

The Fed is run by the private cartel of banks. It's not run by the state.

Okay. Yeah, it has a dot-gove email address for or web address.

Yeah, they've taken over our government, sure, but it's still the private. It's JP Morgan and they created it.

It's private.

So wait, wait, wait, wait.

No, no, no, I got to get this straight.

You're going to take the working hours that Americans work and turn it into one hour a day so that they can be free to pursue businesses and entrepreneurship in a system where you're not

allowed to own private property.

So what are they going to do?

Are they going to, you just said that we're going to nationalize everything.

So if we're nationalizing everything, what are they starting a business for?

We're only going to be converting into state-owned enterprises, the existing monopolies. Okay. We're not going to be converting into state-owned enterprises the existing monopolies.

Okay.

What monopolies are those?

I name them, energy, the car manufacturers, the major ones.

There's dozens of car manufacturers.

All the ones that wouldn't exist without the help of the government already. How about that? All the ones that wouldn't exist without the help of the government already.

How about that?

All the ones that need our taxes to exist.

So you're saying that the car industries, which encompass dozens and dozens of different cars, are somehow still a monopoly.

And the energy industry, which pulls energy from all over the world and has all different companies,

even international ones.

We pay for them.

They wouldn't exist without us.

Everything that depends upon our taxes, we're going to take it.

We're just going to take it and just give it away to everybody.

We're going to take it.

Well, we're going to take it and we're going to entrust it in the public interest, which means it's going to, it's going to take it and we're going to take it away to everybody we're going to take well we're going to take it

and we're going to entrust it in the public interest which means it's going to it's going to serve the

purpose to decide the public interest it's going to serve the purpose of benefiting no answer my question

who decides the public interest the government does does. So the government

is going to basically create

an energy company and a

car company that are akin to the DMV.

I mean, you do realize what happened when America

tried to go into the housing market and

our... Wait, no, no, no. I let you

ramble for a while. I get to say what I get to say now.

You, you are trying to say that the housing project movement where the government decided that, hey, we'll just build houses for everybody, which turned into sweltering shitholes where, as you say, people eat poop.

Okay?

Like, for some reason, those, those were just like a fuck up that that didn't happen.

When we built the train systems and they were completely inefficient when they were directed by the government, the one private company who built the subways managed to do it

a thousand times easier.

The subways were built back in the 40s.

Do they need to be modernized?

Right.

And that just shows how neglected our public sphere is.

It's just neglected.

It's a rotting shithole and our government sucks and nothing works in our government

because our government isn't even run...

So the answer is to make another government that has more control.

No, you cut me off.

That's the problem.

That's the problem.

Our government sucks and can't get anything right because it's not designed to do that.

It's designed to serve the interests of the plutocrats and the private, corrupt, capitalist elite.

And it's not designed to serve us.

The Chinese government works plenty fine.

They have bullet trains.

They have high-speed braille.

It's clean.

It's beautiful.

It's efficient.

We should have that, too.

Because we need a government that works for us and doesn't work for Wall Street.

So again, you're saying that when America designed their subway system, they designed the most advanced system that was available in the 40s. And we never updated it because the government doesn't give a shit about us. I'm not cutting you off. Don't cut me off. China designs theirs in a modern time and implements it and it's nicer than ours and somehow that's proof that China had a plan and we didn't, even though we both did literally the exact same time. We did it a hundred years ago and they're doing it now. What are you saying? What I'm saying is the technology that was available when we did it was not to say

why aren't we still doing it? Why have we stopped doing it? Because our government

doesn't want to be shit about us. I you're not going to get me to defend our government

as being some kind of beacon of hope. Why aren't they updating our infrastructure? What I'm saying

is your idea of making a bigger and more centralized government is patently insane when you're saying that the one we've created sucks as bad as it does.

Your answer is to get them more control?

That's fucking crazy.

No, not them.

We give control to a government that works for us.

I forgot it's us, right? It's a government of the people government that works for us. I forgot it's us, right?

It's a government of the people.

That works for us.

Not the capital's class.

I mean, you do realize

we've tried this whole bullshit argument before

of the government working for us

and that they're actually good guys.

In China, the government works for the people that they're actually to get guys.

In China, the government works for the people.

And it's proven by the results, by the way.

The Chinese, the Chinese are literally our manufacturing hub and get all, they, without us,

they don't exist.

They're going on the, uh, they're going exist. Without our money, they don't exist. They're going on the, they're going up.

They're improving.

Everything's getting better.

It's great.

They're advancing.

They're in 2075.

And we're eating shit on the street.

Again, with the shit on the street.

I don't know how to answer such retarded shit like this. It's true.

That we're eating shit on the street.

We're eating shit on the street.

And they're living in 2095.

I'm telling you, Jake, the guy's trolling me.

I'm not.

He's not making a legitimate argument that Americans are eating shit.

And somehow bat soup in China is far superior because the Chinese are voting.

That's much better than actual shit.

Look, fellas, that is not within the purview of the debate.

So I'm going to have to stop that there.

But, Halsey, there was a lot to actually

go with in terms of what Haas said

with his prescriptions about what the

United States... Again, his argument is a

circular argument. His argument is our government

sucks, so therefore what we need to do

is throw it away, create a new

government that has way more

control and implement a plan that

I assume is what his, that

he's going, that somehow

all of a sudden, wait a minute, the people that

get involved in the new government,

they're not corrupt like our old

government, they're actually really cool people.

You missed the most important part.

And then are able to implement it by taking away everybody's shit and nationalizing it.

And now all of a sudden they're in charge and that's going to be awesome.

You missed one thing.

Unbelievably retarded. You missed one thing. Unbelievably retarded.

You missed one thing.

You misunderstood another.

Okay.

What did I misunderstand?

That's important.

How are we going to make sure it doesn't turn out to be the shitty government we have now?

We wipe out the bankster class.

We wipe them out.

That's, you know, in a peaceful way or whatever.

Like, not in a, you know, like, like,

there's a peaceful way to wipe people out?

You, you send them to Alaska to work on bridges and stuff.

Anyway, look, the second thing you misunderstood.

Oh, gulags. Gulogs are the answer.

No, we call them fun camps in Alaska. But listen, the second thing we misunderstood. Oh, gulags. Gullogs are the answer. No, we call them

fun camps in Alaska. But listen, the second

thing we're going to be doing, sorry,

the second thing that you misunderstood. I'm not

trolling. I'm just trying to lighten the mood.

The second thing you misunderstood is

the idea the government is going to take all of

people's belongings.

Okay, private property as an institution in Marxism is not the same thing as things that people use

and that actually have a role that facilitates social production.

Private property as an institution is an antisocial institution, just like interest, just like

the banking system that we have, which basically is rooted in emiserating people with debt.

So that's a specific institution of capital.

It's not the same thing as people having

entrepreneurship in the information age it's not the same thing as somebody in the digital age

right uh producing content and art and stuff that people like and subscribe to and want to patronize

and there's nothing wrong with

entrepreneurship entrepreneur entrepreneurship is fine it's not incompatible with socialism

as long as they have the right idea of it right no no because it's it's what the people

determine so for example you run a youtube channel okay your youtube channel is going to sink or swim on the basis of how many viewers, how many subscribers, how many people actually want to tune in and give you their support.

You mean on a capitalist system?

No, no, no, no. The difference is in a capitalist system, it's not based on information economics.

It's just based on

monetary economics.

Now, we are not fully ready to destroy

all of the remnants of that

overnight, but we can start to make

a transition into an information

post-monetary economy

and lay the foundation for that

by integrating the information

sphere, which is the internet and

social media, all this kind of stuff, with

real-life production

and real-life entrepreneurship. It's kind of already

happening. There's so many new sprawling businesses that are opening up and emerging that sink or swim on the basis of the social media stuff.

So it's a really dynamic thing that's going on already, and you just need to kind of structure our policies to facilitate that even more, you know?

Okay. So again, I want to make sure we're comparing apples to apples. We're going to take the banking class, whatever that may be.

Yeah. And we're going to put them in a happy gulag up in Alaska building bridges.

Yes. After we wipe them out, we're then going to determine that everyone only has to work for an hour a day.

Yep. And that the systems, which will no longer be capitalist

because they'll be dictated

by the happy, happy government

that just wiped out the banking class.

No, no, no, wait, wait.

Will favor artists and people on YouTube

and people that do information work.

I said entrepreneur.

I didn't, no, no, no, no, forget, forget the YouTube thing, right?

I'm talking about how the information economy, it's only happening on our computers, on our screens, right?

That is starting to bleed over into the real world in terms of the information dynamics

about how everything is now driven by attention

and popular demand directly

rather than solely on the basis

of you know uh... how well it performs on the stock market or how lucrative

it's it's judged to be according to

investment banks okay so there's a new logic there's a new logic at play when it comes to how

society is developing when it comes to how we produce things small businesses coffee shops all this

kind of stuff.

And basically...

And people are going to be able to frequent all those businesses and buy things to...

People should be able to, in their free time, pursue their American dream, which

majority of it will fail, but they have

the chance to pursue their dream

in their free time. Let's say you have a dream... Only

working an hour a day.

Working an hour a day

for things that are necessary, that we all agree

are indisputably necessary for our survival.

And then we have all these surpluses and all these free time for people to actually realize their dreams their american dream so the kind of consumer uh you know leisure stuff you know again i name coffee shops bakeries restaurants entertainment venues, music, all this kind of stuff.

In our free time, we should have the ability to pursue those things, and we don't have enough free time.

Wait a minute. Let me ask, let me give you a role.

Our full creative potential as a people. I love it. Full creative, sure. What I'm saying is that I have a family of seven.

Okay.

There's me, my wife,

my five kids.

I don't know how many children you have,

but I would assume it's none.

Okay.

Are you married?

Not yet.

So you're saying that me working an hour a day is going to provide the same thing as you working an hour a day, but for me it's for seven people.

For you, it's one.

And somehow at the end of all of this, we're going to be able to hang out at the coffee shop as long as we live in the pods and eats the bugs.

Because it's determined by the centralized government what we actually need.

So they did a study.

They did a study in the 70s, which said that in order to reproduce the existing amount of wealth that we have

right now to keep our society running

everyone only needs

to work one to three hours a day

that's necessary to actually

look it up

it's actually real so we are working

more hours than is necessary.

So wait, a time before the internet, cell phones, and all of the modern convenings we live on.

Look, look, I'm saying technology and automation has gotten to a point since the 70s where it's probably less you need to understand our society is becoming more advanced than it was in the 70s when it comes to how automated and and uh and all of those things. A giant amount of money.

So again, I don't understand

where we're getting all this money.

Where does money come from?

What is money?

Money in the U.S. is backed by nothing.

It's just a government credit.

It's nothing.

It's a government credit. It's a government credit.

It's federal reserve credit.

No, it's literally just unspent services.

If someone like Steve Jobs creates iPhones, I decide that the iPhone in my pocket is more important

than the money in my pocket.

The value of these things can be calculated on a more rational...

As an IOU because he doesn't want to go buy an iPhone.

All these things can be calculated on a basis that is much more rational and much more related

to the actual costs of production at the level of energy,

at the level of resource consumption and all these kind of things,

than relying on fake paper treasury notes that clearly are out of sync with reality

because we're about, what, $40 trillion in debt?

How does that square up?

So again, but you already said at the beginning,

we're going to cancel that and throw all the bankers in the happy gulag.

So that's already gone.

We don't have to worry about the $40 trillion in debt anymore.

The people that we owe the money to, they don't give a fuck either.

Like, they're just cool with it.

And then we never signed up.

Wait, we're going to, wait, wait, we're going to calculate through robots, the,

the, the communist party and technology, how we can create a society in which people only work for an hour to three a day and are free to spend something that we can't call it money because remember money is just fake notes.

To be clear, I don't know if it's exactly an hour.

I just know it's radically less than we work now.

So we're going to shorten the workday.

And what's going to happen is very simple.

That is going to guarantee

a basic level of subsistence where you have

the basics. Okay? Anything

beyond that, we're going to give people the freedom

to pursue a

people-driven, decentralized form of economic...

Let me finish.

People-driven.

Don't yell at me like that.

I didn't yell at you like that, too.

You're not letting me talk.

People-driven form of economics,

where they have the freedom. You can't say this without smiling, man. Like, seriously,

I'm smiling because I had to make that noise. I'm smiling because you made me make that

ridiculous noise, because you keep interrupting me. But look,

people-driven economics, okay?

That is not

based on coercion. It's not based on

your force to do this.

Okay? In order for us...

What if I don't want to work?

If you don't want to work at all?

Mm-hmm.

It's like the Bible. Who doesn't work, doesn't eat.

You better have a good reason.

Everyone has to work.

Everyone has to work?

Everybody has to work, unless you have a good reason.

Do you get to decide what you do?

Why should you be entitled to the benefits of society's wealth if you're not

contributing anything?

I'm saying there are plenty of people who can't

work. If they can't, if they can't,

that's like disabled people, that's elderly people, that's children

obviously, if they can't, obviously

any rational society plans for that and takes those people out of the pool of necessary labor.

And nobody has to work at gunpoint.

I get to work my hour a day and my five kids and my wife and my my elderly parents

they all get to to get the same amount of

shit as everyone else but I still

only have to work the hour of debt

the details the details

the details

you don't get to say the details get worked out

in the wash no the details have to be to say the details get worked out in the watch.

No, the details have to be worked out. The details cannot be worked out by Hazaldeen in this stream right now for a fucking society of 330 million people.

I'm just giving you a general idea of what direction I think we should be going in and what direction we can be going in.

We don't need to have people work 60-hour work weeks, 80-hour work weeks. Okay? It's ridiculous. That is far beyond and over what is necessary to actually

have a wealthy and prosperous society.

People are getting scammed.

To work 60 or 80 out of work weeks.

People are being forced to work 60 to 80 hour

work weeks just to put food

on the table. No, not to put food

on the table to live a lifestyle they want.

No, because they're not living anything.

They're overworked.

They're working 10, 12 hours a day.

What are we talking about here?

They're working so much that they don't have time to live any kind of luxurious life.

They have to do it because they need to pay for medical expenses for their kids.

They have to fund their kids education.

They have to put clothes on there.

They have to feed their families.

I mean, it's ridiculous.

So, so, okay, fellas, I'm going to hold the, I'm going to let you jump in in just a second, but we'll go for a few more minutes and then we're going to go into closing statements.

Haas, if you've got any comrades that want to come in and call into the debate, then you can.

And Halsey, if you have people who want to call in right now, just after,

if you guys have got time after the, I would prefer we don't do that just because I don't,

I don't want people like, I, I agreed to debate him. He agreed to debate me. It's not fair. It's

not fair to just let people jump in and start running at him and me that we have no idea

what their basis is. I would rather not do that. I thought I'd throw a cat amongst the pigeons,

but that's okay. Yeah, so, Halsey, if you want to, I'm interested to hear in terms of your prescriptions as well.

What are your prescriptions when you look around society at the moment for the for the ills that you see?

And why is it different to Marxism?

And I'm going to be back in just a sec, guys.

So go for it.

No problem.

My prescription is to embrace the capitalist nature of America and unleash American invasion as we have been doing. We've invested trillions of dollars in our military in almost every information system that's come out, every technology that we've ever dreamed of has come from our military expenditures.

Everyone likes to demonize the military and say we use it for global war mongering and things like that.

Well, maybe we ease back on the more mongering and go back to ensuring global shipping, which countries like China, the most advanced awesome super goat on the planet,

have been able

to get rich on because we guarantee

their global shipping. I mean, they created two aircraft

carriers. One of them they put in the ocean

and they can't launch any planes. The other one sunk.

The minute they put it in the water. Their

technology is not able to duplicate what we

do unless they steal it from us.

And this idea that they're living in 2075 is nuts.

And the idea that we can't do the same, what we have is a motivation problem.

What we have is an entitlement problem.

We have people that are advocating that don't worry, we could just send everyone to the gulag and give you their shit. We have people that are advocating that don't worry, we could just send

everyone to the gulag and give you their shit.

We have people advocating for things that are

absolutely berserk and have never

worked in the history of man, will never

work in the history of man, and always lead

to the same thing, starvation, death, and

unhappiness.

What we can do is we can unleash the power of American innovation. We can start figuring out how to get rid of the different levels of cronyism by passing laws,

diversifying more companies.

And what we can do is we can start making the same type of investments into our country as we have been.

He says he wants to get rid of the debt.

I'm actually okay with getting rid of some of the debt and just saying fuck it because there's a lot of things we owe to ourselves.

So there's a lot of people, there's a lot of programs that we can just get rid of because we can't afford to pay ourselves back for what they are.

We can develop new market-based systems that are going to actually advance the wealth of this country,

advance the manufacturing base of this country, and are actually going to stop all the illegal immigrants, which, by the way, that's

like the excellent slogan for capitalism

is like America, 200

illegal immigrants, or 20 million

illegal immigrants can't be wrong. Like, no

one's rushing to get into China. No one's rushing

to get into fucking Vietnam. Because they don't let them in.

Oh, why don't they let them in. Oh,

why don't they let them in?

Because China's has way stricter

border control and policies

than we do.

And the reason we have

these workers, by the way,

is because we're paying them dirt

on the cheap.

And we've devastated their homelands

and couped their governments that showed any kind of promise for improvement.

And they come here out of desperation

instead of their own countries being developed

because we've sabotaged them

because the military industrial complex and the CIA.

But anyway, and the banks. Because the military industrial complex.

And the banksters. No, wait, wait.

So again, I don't believe this system of control where I love how you say it's not coercion.

I mean, that's all government can do is coerce.

They're getting what they want at the point of a gun.

That's literally the definition of coercion.

I don't think the economy should be, I don't think the government should dominate the entire economy.

I think the government should dominate any industry that matters. They should dominate the giant

industries that only exist thanks to the government.

And meanwhile, the most of the economy...

And the small industries that actually thrive

from inventing technologies for these big industries.

Give it back to we the people.

They're all of a sudden going to keep doing it with no customer.

No, you don't, listen, you need to look up how the information economy works.

You don't understand it.

I understand how the information economy works.

I have an MBA and global economics and study economics, like just as much as the next guy.

So, no, don't tell me I don't know what I know.

Okay.

Well, you don't know about the information economy works.

You don't know.

I do know exactly how the information economy works.

And it only works because of the large people on top.

The large people on top of who provide the market for all these people.

You keep having this magic bag of money that appears and just gives everybody their money.

They're holding us back big time.

They're holding us.

Every technological advancement this world is seen in the last 150 years. It's thanks to the military

and the government. Yeah, the government in the military.

They created all of it. We know that.

So the answer is to use it against our people

instead of using it against other people. Because

if we use it against our people, then all of a sudden it's going to be

fucking awesome. Like,

because you already said, we're going to throw the banking class to the Gullog.

And I'm quite sure when the automobile class needs to go to the Gullog, they go to.

And I'm quite sure that when the Google class goes, they go to.

Everybody goes to the Goulog until you've used the military industrial complex that you hate

2008 so many families devastated so many

people driven to alcoholism, suicide

so many people lost their livelihoods

who's going to, where's the justice? There hasn't been

justice. There needs to be justice. Okay, so

now don't make an argument for justice.

Don't make an argument for that a financial crisis that was created that actually

weathered pretty damn good.

So here's, no, we didn't.

We printed our way out of it.

You're like, well, people started drinking a lot.

Anyway, look, people started drinking too much.

People started drinking too much.

People wanted to kill themselves because they didn't have enough money. That's the same thing as starving to death.

Like, no, it doesn't work that way.

They lost their entire livelihood.

I'd like to hear both of your opinions about this.

Because 2008 is a good example of where your guys' prescriptions for how to go about that would be vastly different.

And Haas, I know that you're like tongue-in-cheek about the gulags.

I don't know. Maybe you actually believe that...

No, it's tongue-in-cheek. The whole point about the gulag is very simple, right?

I'm not scared of the gulag. It's fine.

But the whole point of it is basically that the reason our government isn't working for us

is because you have these banksters in control who are sabotaging any attempt for the people

to take back control.

They're the ones issuing the directives. The CIA works for them. The media works for them. All the repressive apparatuses have thus far worked for them. And they need to be disempowered. And if they resist that and if they try to get in the way of that, they need to be quarantined somewhere

so they can't harm and poison and destroy and plunder this country as they have been

for so long. Or if they want to peacefully surrender, that's great too. But here's the thing. The

main point I'm trying to get at here when it comes to like what the solution is as far as the direction we be going.

And it sounds crazy and radical.

And out of this world.

No, it sounds retarded.

Okay, but it's not one, it's not even one percent but it's not what it's not

it's not even one percent as crazy and retarded

as trump's tariffs

Trump's tariffs we don't even know what

Trump's tariffs are yet

he's just announced what he wants to do

he hasn't announced what he's got in the list of tariffs

on every single country

and that is that's he cannot put those tariffs into place without Congress.

That's going to create way more radical change and

disruption in this country than anything

I'm suggesting. If you believe that he's doing

it because he wants to implement the tariffs or if you're

doing it because he wants to re-go-

I'm going to surrender. They're not going to surrender. They're not going to surrender. You I'm going to tell you China's not going to surrender.

They're not going to surrender. They're not going to bow. They're not going to be Oh, no. China, I think what is it?

72% of China's economy comes from us.

I'm really afraid of them not surrendering to us.

China controls the entire

industrial global supply chains. Everything

passes through them. Everything. Everything in the world chains. Everything passes through them.

Everything.

Everything in the world that's made passes through China.

Okay?

And they are not...

Do you remember when the Somali pirates were taking over merchant ships like off the coast of Somalia?

Well, China's not the Somali pirates.

I can tell you that much.

No, their ships have... I forgot those ships have magic wings that fly all over the world and that they're able to defend the global shipping around.

China is the most advanced industrial economy in the world.

It is an extremely sophisticated.

They put their aircraft carrier in the water and it sank.

They are not the most advanced

Even if China's military

Even if China's military

could never come close

to the U.S. military

I keep thinking that by the way.

It's not true.

But even if that was true,

China goes down,

then we go down, the whole world goes down.

That's how much the whole global economy is tied to China's

growth at this point.

Yeah, it's really not.

It just isn't.

The only reason the world didn't collapse

after 2008 is thanks to the fact that China build the world didn't collapse after 2008 is thanks

to the fact that China build the world out

with its growth.

Okay. Yes, Sahelzi, in terms of your prescriptions

after 2008, how do you

think that they would differ from Haas

and what would you have done?

I don't know if I would have done anything different.

I mean, the massive amount of debt that we took on after 2008 was it was during COVID.

And I would have said that was a stupid idea to begin with.

So I didn't agree with anything that was done during COVID.

So we're talking about two different times.

After 2008, we went back to we went to Qualitavis and do I think it was the best idea?

It was pretty good.

I mean, housing prices went up.

People were buying houses like crazy.

Homeownership exploded.

This is after the worst housing crisis that the country has ever seen.

And for some reason, we weathered it.

So why does China have an over 90%

homeownership rate without that problem

that we had in 2008?

Because number one,

what they're considered a home

is a lot different than what I'd consider a home.

No. And number two, yeah. No considered a home is a lot different than what I'd consider a home. No.

And number two, yeah.

No, it's classified the same way as here on the books.

What?

A apartment in a high rise in a city is classified as safe thing.

We call that a condo here.

And yes, it's a form of ownership even here.

It's called a condo. Again, so now we're back to eat the bugs

and live in the pod like you get to decide where

I live no again I what are you talking

about China China

what pods China

people own their home

it's theirs okay it's not a pod's a home. I thought you said private property didn't exist in China, that they took all those industries and they took away private property. Private property was evil. No, I said that now you're telling me they all do have private properties. I said that China is not ruled by a capitalist class just because it has

wealthy people. I never said that people don't own

things in China. That's ridiculous.

And if you wanted to find private property on the basis

of just owning things, then I'm all

for it. It's just, I don't think that's how Marx

defined it. I don't think that's what it actually meant

for communists in history.

No, you're just saying that Mark should own, that the government

should own everything that matters and produce everything that matters

and give everybody the scraps to, you work for that.

That matters to our nation at scale, not personal belongings. I'm talking

about... So again, I'm

very curious how all of these...

Like, China didn't invent

Google. China didn't invent

Intercontinental ballistic missiles.

The US government... It hasn't invented shit.

The US government did.

The US government did. The U.S. The U.S.S. government did. How?

By empowering private industry.

No.

Private industry came in, basically stole

all the inventions of the military

and reaped the rewards of it,

even though we funded it.

They stole the inventions of the military

when they were the actual ones who invented them in the first place.

No, they invented them in the first place.

Private it, privatized it, patented it,

and took all the money.

No, that just isn't that's patently untrue.

No,

it's funny true.

Have you ever worked in government contracting?

Have you ever worked in government contract?

Because I did for about nine years.

Study the history of the internet.

Study the history of computing.

Study the history of computer science.

I've studied the history of all of them.

It was all created by the government?

They all went to open bid.

The government gave them to private industry.

Let me ask you your question.

And then private industry developed these things.

Who created touch screens?

Who invented touch screens?

Who invented touch screens?

Who invented touch screens?

It was done by a government grant.

In fact, I know the person that, I know the company that was given to it. So it was the government.

No, it was created by government money, not by government innovation at all. It was DARPA. It was the government.

I know who DARPA is and I know how DARPA works. In fact,

I've submitted dozens of grants to DARPA for companies,

and all of them are submitting a plan to the government in order to do.

Listen,

you can spin it however which way you want.

It came off our backs.

We pay for it.

It's not okay because we don't get to do it ourselves.

So what are you saying?

Those people should have been government employees?

We're paying for it.

What gives them the right to reap the rewards of it privately?

And we get nothing when we paid for it.

It's crazy.

So we got ripped off.

So we got ripped off. So we got ripped off.

What did they get out of it then if they do it just on your happy system?

They can make people can be personally rewarded with wealth without creating giant institutions that privately accumulate wealth that must also belong to the country as a whole. They can have personal wealth, but the wealth I'm talking about that was stolen. So how do they get the personal wealth? Where do they get the personal wealth from? Just like in China. They can get it from their hard work and their industriousness and their competence and their skills and whatever. That's fine. They can get it from their hard work and their industriousness and their competence and their

skills and whatever. That's fine. They can be rewarded for that. But the problem in our country

is that giant institutions of privately accumulated wealth have emerged that actually have political capital and political power. They bought off

all of our politicians. They rig our whole system. They have in control of all the policies,

right? And they did that off of the backs of our work and our money,

or at least the work and money of the American workers

that were living.

It was off of our backs and our money.

It was no actually off of,

it was actually off of private industry that created these things.

No, by giving them the patent.

The government gave them. Am I ever going to get to talk?

This guy's filibusters for hours and every time he says anything, and then he starts laughing again.

Go ahead.

Again, you're somehow saying that because we give the money to the private industry to create these things,

and then they figure out how to take these things and introduce new systems,

new private businesses that now commercialize the technology that was given to the military in a hundred different ways.

Somehow that would be more efficient if they were just given a reward for doing all this,

not be able to actually innovate with the technology.

The internet was creating so that the internet was created so that the government could talk to each other.

So the different branches of the military could talk to each other.

Who funded the R&D for these technologies?

Who funded the R&D?

So again, that's what I,

you're literally agreeing with me.

I'm saying,

you're saying that the R&D was funded by us,

therefore we own it,

and we decide what we do with it after that.

And that the private industry shouldn't be able to do that.

The private industry should not have the right to have the level of independence and control that it has, as if it doesn't owe us, we the people, for everything.

Because the government is better?

You just said the government sucks.

No, it's a matter.

Listen, before we talk about who's better and who's competent, let's talk about who owes who what, okay?

If I come to you and you are the one who bankrolls something that I do and you get nothing back out of it and I get everything, that's a problem.

It doesn't matter.

Okay. So let's let's let's use your example. If I own a bakery, right? And someone comes to me and says,

I want you to make this new kind of cake.

And I wanted to do this.

I want to do that.

I want to taste this way and look this way.

And I say, OK, that'll cost you.

And I have to pay for you.

Wait, no, wait.

Yeah, I know.

And then you give me the 400400. And then you walk away with your cake.

And now I can use the innovation that I made to make this new special cake that you wanted

to now make it for other people.

I can now offer specialized services because I never thought about making it before, but I can.

So now all of a sudden, I have a business that I can actually make thrive about it.

But you're saying that you, because you suggested the cake that you wanted that you had me make,

somehow now owns the idea and now my business can't make the cake.

Your business.

Because only you can.

Your business needs to be. You can maybe give me a a reward but you're going to decide who else your business has to serve the public interest it can't just serve some private cartel of crony oligarchs living on some island no it has to serve a cartel of government,

Oligard.

No, it has to serve the people.

It has to serve the public interest.

That is the most retarded argument I've ever heard that it has to serve the people.

Apple, Microsoft, and Google, and Amazon should all work for the American people.

We pay for everything they have.

And they don't? They don't.

They don't. They work for themselves, and they work for Wall Street in the city of London.

They should be working for us.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

So you're saying all of the I stuff, all of the computers that run on Microsoft, all of the

things, the people that order off of Amazon, they're all doing it because they're coerced

by people who are only working for themselves.

No, but all the technology,

all the technology,

that would be so much better.

All the technology and infrastructure,

all the technology and infrastructure

is thanks to our taxes.

And we pay for it.

They pay for it.

No, they don't.

Yes, they do. No, they don't. The American people pay. You don't think they buy the planes and pay for it. No, they don't. Yes, they do.

No, they don't.

The American people pay.

You don't think they buy the planes and pay the fuel.

Oh, the American people pay for the planes that car Amazon shit all over the place.

Why the hell are Americans working 80 hours a week when they are

owed so much

and yes they are

by who by the private

plunderers and oligarchs

who have stolen the wealth from them they're owed

they too they went into the

situation completely voluntary.

They applied for the job. They got the job and they're working for a wage they agreed to.

How are they owed something?

When were...

When did the American people sign up to create the Federal Reserve. Did we vote on that?

The government

did, which we live in a republic. Why are we being put in debt

for something we had nothing to do with?

I have no idea, but you can vote

people in that will change it if you want.

No, they'll get shot in the head

and all their descendants will be shot in the head if that ever even becomes remotely no but i'm saying

your system is better because all the people that would shoot them in the head are going to be put

in the gulag and they're not going to and now the new people aren't going to shoot that's much better than being shot in the gulag and now the new people aren't going to shoot. That's much better than being

shot in the head.

To be fair.

I'm saying you're going to preemptively put these people in the

gulag because they might shoot people

in the head who disagree with them.

If Bill Gates

is running around on the sidewalk

with a vaccine and he's trying to basically

like attack people

with it, he needs to be quarantined.

It's a danger to the public.

Okay? So there's nothing wrong. It's a preemptive

measure to make sure that the public is safe from this

Malthusian guy who wants to depopulate us.

I'm saying didn't the government ask him for the vaccine in the first place?

And I'm not a fan of the vaccine.

Our rotten government is run by these people.

We don't have a, let's stop, let's stop pretending we have a government. The government is run by these people. We don't have a... Let's stop pretending we have a government.

The government is an occupied...

It's an occupation force for the banks and for the oligarchs and the cronies.

That's what our government is.

It's an occupation entity.

We don't have a real government.

That's what we need.

We need our own government.

Buy of and for the people,

just like it was intended.

We don't have it.

I don't know.

You know, this morning I had this weird thing happen.

And I'm telling you, this was really strange.

So I look out my window, right?

And there was this truck that pulled up.

And what they did was, they took my garbage that I put out on the curb.

And they put it in the truck and they carted it off.

But they had to do it early.

You know why?

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Shush, shush, shush.

So after this garbage truck pulled away, right right they had to do it really early because

it was scheduled that the same government that we don't have that's occupied was paving my street they're

paving my street because they came through my neighborhood and they paid for people to upgrade all of our meters

so people don't have to come in our houses anymore.

So in doing that, they tore up the street,

so they're repaving it.

Now, these are all, I'm telling you,

I understand they're occupied by Bill Gates and Zinus and everybody else,

but they somehow figured out how to

take my garbage pave my street and may generally make my life a little bit better thanks to

thanks to the new deal and fDR our government is still technically so they weren't occupied then

let me finish.

Our government is still technically obligated to perform the bare minimum of necessary services befitting of a modern industrial nation.

However, the problem is that...

What services are they not providing?

They're not fixing the fucking roads in Michigan where I live for for starters the infrastructure is in shitty

poor shape all over the country have bridges on the verge of collapsing you have

trains derailing in East Palestine Ohio so. So the government is not actually fulfilling up its

end of the bargain of actually taking care of its obligates. It's doing the bare, yeah, the garbage

trucks are coming and we have a bare minimum. I mean, even some countries in third world countries have that.

It doesn't mean we actually have a real functioning government.

You just said literally we have no government and you said that we're just an occupied

government of oligarchs.

Yet the basic services that Americans want and demand

are generally met.

You're missing. Maybe you're not

ever been poor, but have you

ever heard of Medicaid? Like,

you're missing the point. You're missing the point.

Okay. I'm missing the point. When I say that, again, I'm missing the point. Again, I'm missing the point.

When I say we literally have no government, it's called hyperbole.

It's a thing in literate.

I understand what hyperbole is, but what I'm trying to do is.

So what I'm saying, we have no government in the sense.

We have no government in the sense.

We do not have an institution

that safeguards our sovereignty as a people we have an entity that is controlled

which yes still performs the bare minimum of very basic things of course no one's denying that

but look at the trajectory that it's on. If this is a train, where is it headed? Right? It's headed in a direction where it's starting to neglect its basic duties and obligations to us as a people. Things are starting to be, you know, privatized and sold off and given to the private sector.

More and more and more, it's going in a direction which is radically converging from the public

interest and into the private interest.

And it has been doing this for decades.

So for decades, we've been headed in this direction.

So the answer is to throw it out completely, put a new government in place that's going to

represent the will of the people,

because after all, the people can be defined as 350 million people who all want the exact same thing.

And you're going to say that somehow that government is going to be good.

The previous one wasn't, or the previous one was occupied.

But don't worry, because we'll send them to the gulags

they'll they'll they'll go pay for this that's what lincoln wanted lincoln was going to do the

lincoln would agree with me we send it was one of the worst presidents we've ever had we're going to

i think lincoln was great lincoln was a great president

by for another people i would imagine you would think that but

he absolutely we're going to have lincoln but take it

a hundred times farther well then that's all you need to

let's get into some uh let's get into some closing statements now as much

as i've enjoyed this we have gone over but it's just been too fun to too fun to stop i'm going to put a

poll in the chat now uh which is does america need marxism at the start we did a poll and it was

95% no and 5% yes.

So Haas had a bit of a mountain to climb.

So I'm putting another poll in the chat right now, guys.

Jump over and foot your answer.

And yes or no, does America need Marxism?

So with that, Halsey, you're going to start and how's you going to get the last word? So Halsie, try to keep it to two, three minutes,

I think. I don't have much of a closing statement. My debate spoke for itself. I think the idea

of implementing a radical government

run program that's going

to work for the will of the people

and somehow be able to bureaucratize

the entire country and make

everything happy happy as long as the certain

people that we don't like or said that the gulags

has been tried over and over and over and over again throughout the world and it's failed every time.

It's led to mass death and mass starvation.

And I don't care for the people that like to define capitalism is anything bad in the world that's ever happened is capitalism,

but everything that's good is communism.

It just had some bad results that were the result of actually capitalism.

His argument is ridiculous.

I seriously think the majority of the time he was trolling.

I'm not trolling. I'm just not

AOC. I don't do this thing of

telitubbies and happy, happy fun time.

To really have a revolution, you need

to have sacrifice, to really fight for

what's right, to have sovereignty, to have freedom,

to have independence for the future generations.

I'm not promising people., happy, fun time.

I think tough times are ahead regardless of what happens.

I could literally not exist tomorrow when the blink of an eye.

Really tough, harsh times are coming that are going to test our integrity as a nation.

Marxists have proven the best and most capable of leading a population and a people through

inevitably tough times. In Russia, it was going to be inevitably a tough time because the World War I

because of the collapse of the old system.

China was balkanized. It was a warlord era. That's what they called. It didn't even have a functioning

central state before the communists. So these are tough times and you weather the storm. That's what

proves what you are as a nation.

And we're headed for that as a country.

It's going to test the integrity of what we call the United States of America.

And we need Marxism to be able to weather this storm and get through it and survive it as a nation.

Otherwise, we're going to be balconized.

We're going to be...

Our country's going to be destroyed.

And we're all going to be...

It's going to be tested either way.

Are we going to pass the test without Marxism?

I don't think so.

We're going to need some really radical ideas

to get past the storm.

That's all I could say. And we all

don't want to be eating poo, right?

All right, guys. Enough with

I said we all don't want to be eating poo, right?

Exactly. So, in

terms of the poll,

we had 300 votes and we had

Does America Need Marxism? Fifty-three percent, yes, 43%. the poll we had 300 votes and we had does america need marxism 53 percent yes 43 percent

no so the the comrades have come out in force uh far so 50 we we do need marxism 53

and we don't need Marxism 47%.

So we're going to get into some super chats here, guys.

There's a few questions coming in as well.

So last chance, if you guys want to get a super chat in before we wrap this up and Halsey goes

over to his Twitter space that he's going to be putting on.

Christian Mitchell, new member, thank you very much.

Jonathan Dynan has been a member for four months.

Thank you very much.

And John Diner says, I'll be a contrarian with this take and make the prediction that

Haars will probably win this debate.

Haven't watched either in years, so acting on very old info, but I always remember Haas to be sharp.

And also for five bucks, he's going to correct the record.

Haars is roughly a Marxist-Leninist, think USSR, not modern communism.

Is that correct, Haas?

Yeah.

Well, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't call wokeism modern communism, but yeah. I wouldn't say i wouldn't call wokeism modern communism but yeah i wouldn't either so

again we don't disagree on that all right uh uh michiko deyanagi says i would like to know why hars

has has a russian flag in zita while he is a member of American Communist Party.

In my opinion, it's like being a chicken supporting KFC.

I'm doing it to protest the fact that we've lost memory.

We've no longer we've forgotten what our American flag means.

So every time

I see Marco Rubio and all these

traitors fly our American flag,

it's a complete abomination.

So I'm doing that as a protest.

Until we rediscover

the revolutionary principles that founded our

country, you know, we are insulting ourselves by pretending rediscover the revolutionary principles that founded our country.

You know, we are insulting ourselves by pretending that when Marco Rubio flies our flag,

that that's our country. It's not.

All right. Donna Poria for 10 bucks says, Keep on bringing the good stuff.

We need it.

Thank you, Donna.

John Donan says,

Haas is attempting to theory sell on Halsier-R-R-R-R-Sel.

Do you know what theory cell is?

No, I do not.

No.

No, I'm not sure either. Donna says says for 10 bucks for a smoke break or beer or coffee

thank you donna much appreciated john for five bucks says l mf l m ao has got the w on that one i lived

in um socal for a number of years

and homeless do in fact eat poo in the street.

So Haas, we've got a witness

to the homeless. I've seen it myself.

But yeah, I appreciate other

people. Can back me up on this.

Yep. Donner

for five bucks says, I need a Bev break.

I hope you took it, Donna.

Mexican dollars, I'm not sure what that means,

but D Dartanese says China is the absolute

all-time undefeated goat.

Halsey, would you agree with that that China is the goat?

No.

Not at all.

I would agree

right now.

John for five bucks

says,

blesses the moderator.

He has kept his

patience somehow in this debate.

It was easy.

It was a fun debate

to watch, I thought.

Bless the moderator

times two from Donna.

Dartner says, Halsey Loki changing his mind but feels too dug in into the Let's Eat

Pooh position.

So Halsey, did you change your mind about the fact that they're eating bat soup and then they're

eating poo in America?

So it's comparative. So I would say that I changed my mind and that I just thought what he was saying was ridiculous.

Like now I think it's ridiculous and that he was trolling me for a good point.

No, I'm serious.

I'm not trolling.

That's a really scary thought.

But okay, that's cool.

No, he did not change my mind during this whole thing.

Go to LA and see it for yourself.

Okay.

Isaac Hayes for 15 bucks is how does Haas feel about excessive work hours for minimum pay in China?

And why has he not moved there himself?

So for your first question, it's actually a really good point, but I would say that the reason is because China has been focusing for so long on building up and catching up to us that it had such little time to bridge that gap.

We've had hundreds of years to develop.

China has to bridge the gap in a very rapid amount of time.

All I'm saying is that we have the wealth and technology to be able to radically reduce the work hours now.

But I can understand why China they had to work so so hard because they

had to so rapidly catch up to us um and and regarding why i haven't moved there myself well look

as much as in our in my country america people are eating poop on the street and as much as

everything's decaying and coll here, I'm not Chinese.

I have no connection to China at all.

I mean, I don't have as much of a connection to this country as other people do.

You know, my parents came here when they were like children and I was born here and raised here.

But at the end of the day this is the only

country i know you know it's the only all my experiences everything that i am it's just this

country so as much a poor stayed this country is in it's still my country and uh it's just you know

it's like my family if my family's just, you know, it's like my family. If my family's doing poorly

and they're acting badly,

I can't have a new family, you know.

So that's what I would say.

No, you could just deport the one you have to the gulag.

Well, that's more like a creepy

step-uncle or something.

Okay.

I don't know.

Some kind of in-law.

I did think before that the idea of quarantining Bill Gates was very ironic, but, you know, that would be funny if that did happen

just quarantine

I agree

no gulags

um yeah

Harold Sullivan for 10 bucks

says Haas is offering a new solution

to the crisis

Halsey is just offering more capitalism

which isn't working

Halsey what would you say about that

I would like to see the proof

that it's not working

it's not working.

It's working just fine.

John for five bucks says,

Lull Haas, viewers,

Ringing the poll.

Hars,

did they rig the poll?

Or is this just... They could have,

but I did not direct them to do anything.

I don't know.

I don't even know.

That I'll agree with you on.

I don't believe you did. I didn't know. I don't even know. That I'll agree with you on. I don't believe you did.

I didn't.

So that was...

I don't believe you did.

So I'm giving you credit for that one.

I don't believe you did.

Well, that's the other way I like to look at the polls.

It's just the numbers don't lie.

You know, the polls are the polls.

Peyton Johnson for five bucks says,

bootlickers crank so hard to Marxism.

A person's IQ has to be under 70 or they're under 22 years old

to think it's a plausible solution to anything.

Haas, harsh words.

They're very harsh words,

but, you know, Peyton, take a trip to China and then ask people

about their IQ.

Compare the IQ of the average person in China to America.

Let's be real here, all right?

Marxism is taken very seriously over there, and over here, people don't even know what Marxism is.

Hosey?

Again, I have nothing to say.

I agree.

And France, for a hundred bucks, says,

I'm a communist and a Marxist,

and he's redistributing the wealth,

which is what

we love to see.

This money

doesn't mean

much to me,

but thanks for

hosting the debate.

Good work,

Haas.

Thank you very much,

France.

I appreciate that

generous donation.

Charlie Gautier says

Marxism, Millennism for the win.

Amelia for five bucks says

the goal of the Great Leap Forward was to catch up

the steel production of Industrial Britain

and that was achieved,

not just achieved, but

surpassed. What do you think, Hars was the goal of the Great Leap Forward achieved but surpassed what do you think has was the goal of the great leap forward

achieved and surpassed it was yeah it was with great cost but yes it was yep uh harold sullivan

for five bucks says will halsey join the american communist party or will he run to england acp. us last join i have i have a

second amendment right i will oppose the american communist party with everything it takes we we support the

second amendment you can cut you can join and you can come to us to the range and we can all

you know we can share our we come to us to the range and we can all, you know,

we can share our rifles

at the range and, you know,

target practice and shooting and all that stuff.

We love it.

We're real Americans.

That doesn't shock me at all, but.

All right, Star Side for eight bucks says, I would have preferred more rational sober responses from

Halsey.

A lot of his reply was just incredulous hysterics.

I thought there was some pretty rational responses there.

What do you think, Halsey?

I think I did fine.

I thought it was a good debate. I enjoyed myself, so.

Yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was fantastic. Both of you guys, both of you guys were great to listen to.

Helllewecky for 10 bucks says, Holsey L. Haas L. Jake W

what a legend for winning this debate

without saying much.

I should have put myself in the poll.

Amelia for five bucks says

I don't know what about eating the poop on the street

but did anyone

catch the viral video of the homeless guy who

was roasting a rat that went viral

recently? I did see that.

Roasting the rat. Did you see that, Halsie?

I saw it, from what I was told, because

I was actually sharing it around for a while

and I got a couple of like

messages that it was it was AI so I don't know

if it's actually real.

And has? Did you see that?

I didn't but it doesn't surprise me.

You know, how lower can you go than eating shit?

It wraps as a step up, actually.

It's like a nice,

boogie meal compared to the poo.

NRJ for 20 bucks says Marx's Leninism is the future

as that is science

archaic capitalism is dead

would you agree with that hars

yeah

halsey

you agree with that

all right and the last one here as far as I can see, is from St. Carras, Renault for 10 bucks, says,

as the U-U-U-U-Gandin guy said, why eat the poo-poo?

They eat the poo-poo.

I haven't seen it either.

They eat the poo.

They eat the poo. All right. I haven't seen it either. They eat the poo-poo. They eat the poop-poo.

All right. Well, fellas, I really

appreciate this. Like we said, Halsie,

are you going to be, that space is going to

be hosted by a friend of yours and you're

going to be in there. So if anybody wants to see that space,

it's going to be below. All of

Haas' details are below. His Twitter and his

YouTube. Same with Halsey, Twitter and YouTube. And you guys can go check out all of their work below.

I want to say thank you very much, fellas. Haas, great to have you back on the channel. It's been a little

while since we've done anything,

but good to see you, man.

Thank you, Jake.

I hope it was not too crazy for you.

I hope everyone had a good time.

I hope it was good, right?

Was it everything good?

Yeah, no, it was good.

I really enjoyed it. And then it then halsey first time on the

channel but we've connected a bunch on uh on twitter man so it's good to finally have you on for a debate

love to love to do another one and haz i'll give an open invitation if you want to do another one

that we can absolutely do it. Sure, yeah.

I'm not against it.

Yeah.

All right, fellas, well, I'm going to remove you guys both now,

and you can head over to that Twitter space if you want, but thank you again.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Take care. Take care.

See you later.

All righty. take care take care see you later alright uh

one second

let me get back

to my studio

by the way this is a real studio.

You know, I just use AI for my video, but this is where I actually am.

Young Soviet, what's up?

I actually live here.

This is like where I really, you know, get my work done.

But I need to put my AI on.

Because this is technology.

It's not allowed in the U.S.

So I have to use AI to pretend I'm just in some room.

So there we go.

AI is back on.

But that was a debate I did not prepare for. I've been very, very busy cooking.

You know, I'm cooking. I'm cooking big time. But, you know, it's nice that we are here and we have this stream going.

It was, it was, now you may say, why did you not take that debate seriously?

Because I think about this a lot.

I think about I don't want to contribute to content that I would not watch myself.

And the truth is the majority of content is really fucking boring.

And I want to have a good time because I've been very serious in locked in for the past few days

so um uh yeah but i think i got my point across pretty well i think that the poop thing

was a nuke that at that point it was over that was the that was the that was the that was the that was the final thing

there's no coming back from it that was a nuclear bomb right and um basically why do i have the audacity to be this confident now? Because we are now in the Trump tariff era. Anything goes. Working one hour a day, that's not crazy. We're living in a crazy time. You think I'm the crazy guy? Look around.

Okay. By the way, Trump

is terrifying the entire world,

including uninhabited islands

and all of U.S. allies.

Macron woke up.

They all, Germany woke up.

Lithuania woke up.

Israel woke up.

And Trump,

he slapped it on them all.

Okay.

And this is our time all right i told you this year was going to be a year of class struggle and it is and it's and there are so many interesting debates i'm seeing

in the discourse.

The discourse is everything is moving in our direction, the one we want.

Because now I'm seeing leftists start decrying the notion that American workers have to actually produce the things we consume.

They're like, oh my God, instead of me being in human resources, user Tom, what's up, man?

Instead of me being in human resources, we're going to have to go to the factories and make socks.

Yes!

Real jobs!

All the fake shit is being nuked.

Only real jobs.

I mean, we won the debate.

It's over.

Because there's no fucking way

for a leftist to argue

against the destruction

of the fire sector

and the service sector

and the argument we should make it ourselves

because they want to exploit the third world

that's the truth

they want to exploit the third world

while they sit on their fucking laptops

pretending like their workers

because they're

fucking working on their fucking

keyboards, and they're

saying they're the proletarians.

The real proletarian work is

coming. And that's

dignity. And that's going to restore labor to this country.

We're going to go from putting the fries in the bag to putting the socks in the bag.

And anyone who's complaining about it wants to exploit the third world.

And they need to be turned into a tire.

We're gonna, we're wrapping up tire production.

100% all American tire manufacturing.

We're taking the Maga Revolution way farther than Trump.

Just know that.

And look, this Trump tariff thing, it's a class war because they're trying to screw over the american worker by screwing over

the pension funds on wall street looting the pension funds just like michael hudson said and all of it

going to the stock broker broker brokerage firms okay so we need a fight that the revolution is here now who will win

this revolution we have to this is the difference between us and our enemies the maga revolution

is here so either the capitalist will win or the workers will win.

It will come out Supreme.

But the revolution will not be reversed.

Amila with the 10.

The revolution is not going to be reversed.

The revolution will move only forward.

Only forward.

There's no way to reverse it.

The revolution is here.

So either it's going to be a workers' revolution,

or it's going to be the oligarchs revolution.

And we're going to fight.

That's where the battlefield's going to happen.

All these dumb lip darts who are trying to be counter-revolutionaries,

who are trying to reverse everything that's happening.

They're wasting your time.

The reactionaries.

MF, what's up?

The Lip-Tard reactionaries, they have hands-off protests now.

The hands-off protests, they're saying hands-off NATO.

Fuck NATO!

Fuck NATO and fuck Europe.

And if you're in Europe and you get offended by this,

JK, what's up?

Then you need to realize

that anti-European sentiment in this country contributes to your independence.

Unless you want to be America's bitch for the rest of your life, let us cook.

And let us say, fuck Europe.

And you say fuck America. We say fuck Europe. Let China say fuck America.

See, in China,

they will not bow.

Trump is trying to bully them.

That's his strategy.

China will say, no, we're not going to cave.

We're not going to bow.

And they're going to become even more independent.

And meanwhile, we have the opportunity in this country to take the reins of power and become more independent.

And that's good for China and it's good for America.

Xi Jinping and George Washington shaking hands. That's what this revolution's good is the only people who

lose from this are the comprador compador classes of both nations.

Burr, what's going on?

The Chinese patriots are cheering this on.

Xi Jinping benefits big time. Free the world from America. Free America from the world. That's what this is. Everyone's panicking and scared.

We have been telling you what's going to happen

for five years.

For five years,

we've been telling you what's going to

happen. Nobody took us seriously

because Haas is the crazy guy.

Because I'm the crazy guy, right? And who's the sane one? Who's the sane one? I'm crazy.

What's sane? You tell me who's sane. Look at what, turn on the fucking news.

I'm the crazy guy.

I've been telling you the same shit for five years.

Everyone's now awakening to the, oh, China's way more advanced.

What have, what had I been telling you for years for five years suffering because of

it who's saying hussein who said hus, tell me who is sane.

Not Saddam Hussein.

Retards. everybody's just waking up to what we've said i mean i i get going to cry a cryo chamber, do nothing, wake up, and everything I've been saying, I'll just be, I'll win. All my enemies be wiped out. I have new enemies, you know?

But you know but you know it makes you think something

why the fuck

and let me swear and be

unprofessional about this

this is our moment so you And let me swear and be unprofessional about this.

This is our moment.

So you tell me why the fuck we are not recruiting

hundreds of people a day in our party

into the reserve.

Why is it so difficult for people to go out and recruit? I'll tell you why, because

they're not fucking doing it. They're not doing it. Why? What's the excuse? This is our moment.

You should be going I mean

at least one person

10 people bring them into the party

should be easy

quick work

nobody easy quick work nobody is optimistic except us remember that nobody's optimistic about the

direction of world history in america except us everyone's pan, the tariffs. We are the only ones embracing the

revolution. Even Trump himself is scared of what he created. We're the only ones embracing this

revolution. We're the only ones. We're the only ones making sense of what's happening. And I'll tell you what's happening.

The unipolar world system is collapsing. Dollar hegemony is collapsing.

Super imperialism, the system of super imperialism, it's collapsing from within.

From a momentum and a sentiment that's coming from within the american worker doesn't want to

just be a consumer they want their dignity livelihood and jobs back that that need that comes from our own people will blow up the global system of super imperialism blow it up because you can't have both you can't have american Empire and American dignity and prosperity

Free the world

from America free America from the world

You guys need to understand read the room seize the fucking moment talk about chapter enterprises why you start thinking about factories this is a business opportunity for our party to come out on top big time.

We need to build our own hegemony and resources.

Exploit every opportunity and advantage that comes our way.

This is our moment, Ours. For us. You're not fired up. You're not hyped up. You don't see what's going on you're an idiot i mean this is

what we've been waiting for for a long time and it's happening the whole everything is collapsing

and disrupting it's insanity this is for us.

This is what we foresaw.

Mad Beats with the Five

for a long time.

For a long, long time,

we did.

No one else

no one else

no one else

no one else

Strahout said

he was lying about a lot of things.

I didn't fact check him.

I didn't fact check him.

For example, Volk vulture shared in the chat, he goes,

well, actually, the EO men were 63% of the Continental Congress or something after the war,

something like that.

So you know what?

Don't even want to hear it.

The idea that this country

wasn't founded upon revolutionary principles.

It's ridiculous.

You go to the fucking backwoods in Appalachian,

you'll find people. My great, great

granddaddy took up the musket

with the beaver hat

and they took up that musket and they were

fighting guerrilla war. I mean, they sound like

Hamas.

And they're like, we're going to do it again.

If things keep going

on the way we're going to do it again. If things keep going to the way, we're going to do it again.

So that's this country, all right?

The revolutionary war,

that was literally Hamas, Hezbollah,

type of shit, all right?

They had the raccoon hats by the way we need to

should we bring it back

I don't know they had those raccoon hats

you know they

they had their ramshackle

you know

carriages and whatever they were fucking doing.

They were wearing rags.

They had a musket.

They were going in the woods and slaughtering the fucking occupation soldiers.

The Davy Crockett hats

you know

they were hunting the Tories

and that's what this

that's what created this country

the whole only reason there's a USA is, you know, we've forgotten what the USA is.

This is not supposed to be a cringe, retarded Anglo-Liberal country.

This is supposed to be a bizarre country.

Let me show you something.

You know what our white, you know, logo has this idea. He calls it the Second Republic,

aesthetic. We were literally like an Oriental society.

We had the Moore Society. People were wearing the Ottoman Fez hats.

There was so much mystique and there was so much Oriental grandeur.

And it was so like, let me just show you.

Let me just show you, you know, like, look, this is what the White House used to look like all right look at look at this

look at this i mean look at this i this is like the haze aesthetic this is like a barbaric

very barbaric, oriental.

I thought this is just me a foreigner.

And then lo and behold, I look at the history of this country

in the Second Republic right after the Civil War.

And we were becoming an oriental despotic state

and then the British came and made

us retarded and cringe

and this was all lost

a lost

a lost dream

of this country we were literally

becoming the Safavit

Empire okay and we We were literally becoming the Safavit Empire, okay?

And we need to go back to that.

We need to go back to that.

And I'm bringing us back to that.

You know, that's my whole purpose here.

This country is supposed to be like nothing in the world.

It's not supposed to be some, you know, CIA.

We're protecting democracy.

Shut the fuck up.

This is a country built on dreams built on

strangeness

like nothing in the world

and uh we're going back to that

we're going back to that.

We're going back.

That's what Maga means.

Make America great again means we're going back to the Orientalism.

We're going back to how it was before.

We're not doing this Europe.

Fuck Europe.

Fuck Europe.

Europe.

Fuck off.

Latvia, fuck off.

Estonia, fuck off. NATO, fuck off. Estonia, fuck off.

NATO, fuck off. Europe, leave us alone. Britain, leave us alone.

Australians, leave us alone.

New Zealand, leave us alone Join America and leave Europe.

Pick a damn side. You don't have a choice. This is America, not Europe. One nation.

No British crown on American soil. and I believe we need a special military operation where we have Navy SEALs break into the Buckingham Palace, round up the British royal family, and bring them to justice for all the crimes of the British Empire.

You know, we were all lied to.

Instead of hunting Saddam Hussein,

we needed to be hunting the British queen.

She would have been hiding in her her demonic child

sacrificing sellers under her palace.

We needed to dig that up.

We should have, you know, the whole history of it,

instead of invading Vietnam,

you know, we should have invaded Wall Street.

Everything was topsy-turvy, the opposite of what it should be.

Instead of the Gulf War, we should have had the British Isles War, right?

We should have treated the Queen like Saddam Hussein.

While she's hiding in a bunker, we have a 2,000% tariff on England.

Australia, we need to send not just tariffs, but ICBMs, hypersonic missiles.

Because the meddling that comes from Australia on our internet, on our airwaves,

it's like, you know when the Democrats were talking about Russian disinformation

and kind of treating that like a military threat. We should do that to Australia and

Australians who are meddling in our affairs on social media, taking up our airwaves.

They're assaulting our information networks.

And it's a military attack.

It's an invasion.

And it needs to stop.

I've never met an American who takes an excessive interest in Australians' business, but Australians can't shut the fuck up about us in our business because they think they own us.

Wait, I think that guy, Jake, was Australian, so I guess he's okay because he hosted the debate. I'm not talking about him.

But, no, I have other people in mind, actually.

But I don't care about Europe

Europe needs to leave us alone

okay

um

you know

Europe

Europe is has always thought there was this thing called the free world, the Western world.

And we are not part of that.

We are part of a different world.

We're part of a world that's more similar to Russia, more similar to China, more similar to Persia.

We're not part of this so-called Western world where the Greeks are raping children from ancient Greece.

We're not, that's not what we're doing.

Okay.

We are part of the world of grand empires, the Persian Empire.

Okay.

And no more of these fucking stupid statues and all this nonsense.

And we are on our own as a country, you know.

There's no, no more of these parasites of the free world on a Latvians.

Do you remember under Biden, NAFO? Do you remember that?

Our taxes, our money, our military.

They were repping that shit.

They were repping and flexing our shit.

And calling for Biden to persecute and round us up Americans.

We had fucking Estonians doing that with NAFO profile pictures. We need to go to Estonia and figure out who is targeting U.S. citizens.

I remember the cruel Biden regime where fucking foreigners had more rights in this country that came from Europe than we did.

I got banned from Twitch and these fucking Europeans run free.

Twitch would not exist without my tax dollars. I own Twitch. I own Amazon. We own Amazon.

Audit the government. They owe everything to us.

And yet they banned me.

Took away my First Amendment rights.

Who gave them the right to do that?

I could go to the Twitch HQ with a signed document detailing mathematically why I own them,

why we the people own them, and the First Amendment must apply apply and they'll kick me out.

Honestly, British behavior, British red coat behavior. you know the next stage of this right we need to start being more entitled as a people

all right we need to start going to walmart and saying you know what? I own this establishment. This is mine.

We need to start, we need to take a, we need to have a Karen revolution, but instead of harassing

the employees, we harass the owners, the so-called owners. We need to go to the Ford plants and so we need to start

saying, this is mine. You know, who pays for this? I do. The CEOs need to know that we pay for

their existence.

They're welfare queens.

We own them.

You know, as CEO on a yacht, we need to just go on the yacht ourselves.

This is my yacht now.

I own it.

Every airline we own.

So when they tell you on the airline,

you know, when they say,

oh, you have to put your seat up,

you know, I get on the airplane.

And I put my,

I want to go to bed right away.

I put my seat back.

No, no, no, keep your seat up until we're 45 minutes in the air.

I own this fucking plane.

It would not exist without my taxes.

You don't get to invent these stupid fucking rules.

I am the manager.

I own this.

So you keep the seat back.

And you use the whatever, iPad, everything.

And yeah, you recline both on the takeoff and the landing

I shouldn't have to suffer with a with my seat

you know tilted for it's not even that the seats are straight

they're tilted forward to make you bow before fucking Boeing.

You're bowing before the fucking Wall Street.

You can't sit back because, no, that's too...

No, I'm a king.

I own this.

I'm reclining back.

Take off and landing we need to be more entitled we need to be more entitled we own it it's ours

they work for us.

All of them.

You know?

It's the truth.

You go to McDonald's, you pull up.

You know, I just want to remind you,

I own this and you just drive off.

I just want to remind you, this is mine.

Well, you don't tell the employees that

because they have nothing to do with it.

But there needs to be an entitlement level that goes up.

You know, all these cons to consider, you know,

the Americans are so entitled.

No, we're not entitled enough.

We're being ripped off and scammed.

All the rhetoric Trump uses, we need to steal that and apply it to our own country because we're being ripped off and scammed.

They're scamming us. Big time.

We need to be like sovereign citizens, but not libertarians, but communist.

Like, actually, we own this.

On the books, the letter of the law says, we own it.

America has a lot to learn from Europe.

Not a single thing we have to learn from Europe.

We don't need to wear scarves and cross our legs at a cafe.

We don't need to learn that.

There's nothing from Europe we can learn from.

Nothing.

Europe needs to leave us alone. We need to leave us alone we need to leave them alone we go our own way free america free the world

is disgusting ikea is disgusting ikea is disgusting

is is uh living in the pot and eating the bugs it's disgusting you know instead of

ikea we every american home should look like this.

This is what the American home should look like.

Not IKEA.

You know, rugs on the walls, all, everything.

We're not doing this disgusting filthy

ikea and you go to ikea's cafeteria

it's an insult to humanity itself

what they do to make this food they get a they get a special paste and they squeeze it out on a plate, they put it in a microphone, a microwave, and it turns into something that looks like it's the most bland, disgusting food in the world.

American cities need to make

appreciation for history and culture. Yeah, that's why we should go to China

and Russia and Persia to learn about culture. Europe can

stay and be itself. We have nothing to learn from Europe. You know, be itself.

We have nothing to learn from Europe, all right?

You know, these trad accounts that are like,

look at this big cathedral that was built in 1524

by the Venetian bankers and that's culture.

Shut, that's LARP.

That's LARP.

We don't need to learn anything from that.

We need to learn from the Ottoman Empire.

You know, we have more in common with Japan than Europe.

We are way more of a Japanese culture than a European culture, much more. more and you know i don't want to get into it but you know the renaissance it was all stolen on

the silk road it was all stolen from the byantines, from the, you know, the Chinese, everything.

So let's just be That's the truth. You know, Europe, Europe had France.

France was a great kingdom and a great civilization.

They had that.

You know, it was a great civilization. They had that. You know, it was, it was a grand thing. But beyond that, There needs to be dialogue.

What do you want?

We're already Marxists.

We took everything we needed from Europe.

What is Europe producing now?

I mean, the last thing good they did was France. Again, there's kind of a pattern. But still, France gave us Lacan, and they gave us Deleuze, and they gave us the French school. Hey, there was Nick Land. I'll give you that, Nick Land and the CCRU. And that was great.

And that's it. That was the end.

In the modern era, the last thing they gave the world that was it they gave us the french school and then they gave us nick land and the ccr you what else you know europe, you're up.

You know, that's the thing.

Harry Potter, again, this is poison.

This is, this is filth. You guys are talking about people from the past. I'm talking about now.

Contemporary Europe today.

I'm not talking about from 200 years ago.

I'm talking about today.

Okay? Boris Groyce came from Russia as far as I know

maybe he did maybe he didn't I don't remember Shit. You know, You know, Fascinating. Hmm. You know, very strange very strange um hmm You know, All right, anyway guys um so friday i decided i to go see the Minecraft movie with family.

And, um, I didn't know about the trend where, like, people yell and stuff and disrupt it, but that did happen.

And I was very uncomfortable and we left, actually.

We left the movie 30 minutes in.

So 30 minutes in, we left.

We got up and left.

And, um, I, you know, it's, that's on me because, um, I, I, I, I kind of grew up with

Minecraft a little bit, you know, I think it came out when I was in middle school. I don't remember.

And, uh, or, or freshman year, I don't remember. But anyway, um, you know, I have memories playing my,

you know, I just, let's go see it. And then, uh, 30 minutes in, we got up and left not angry not upset but i just

kind of realized like you know i am not the this is not for me i'm a grown man who's 28 years old

and i felt very out of place and it was just very uncomfortable because

I was just like I don't know what this is but it's not meant for me so I should probably

just leave because I don't know what I'm doing here honestly it was kind of like a moment like

what am I doing here kind honestly. It was kind of like a moment, like, what am I doing here?

Kind of thing.

The movie was very clearly not made for people like me.

You know,

just very,

um,

I,

I just very cringe,

honestly.

I just,

I don't,

you know,

I don't know what's going on.

Uh, I just I don't you know I don't know what's going on. It was made for children i i could tell that's why i wasn't upset and i left because i but i left because i was just very much unbearable even like in an

ironic way i was just like, this is not wrong for.

Jack Black, I don't, I don't understand it.

Maybe the children understand this movie.

I don't understand it.

I don't know why Jack Black was, what he was doing in that movie or what the purpose was.

I don't get it.

Like, for example, the lava chicken song.

I didn't understand that.

I think that's when we actually left. When he did the Lava Chicken

song, we straight up, just got up and left the theater after that. I'm not even kidding.

I don't know what that was or what the strategy was. I mean, like, what was the idea for that? I don't know. I don't know what that was or what the strategy was. I mean, like, what was the idea for that?

I don't know.

I don't know.

It's, I'm too old, you know.

Um, Najibullah, what is...

What are we talking about?

Let the kids have their fun.

Sure.

That's why I didn't, I'm not angry about it.

I just,

it's my fault for having i saw with family you know

we grew up playing that game so we thought you know maybe it would be uh fun to watch it but we

just it's just very strange experience um so that i have that i have that to report

um

beyond everything else of course

uh

I'm hard at work cooking I don't know what else to say else, of course.

I'm hard at work cooking. I don't know what else to say. I'm hard at work cooking. You know, you want to know something funny. A lot of people got pissed off by my Trump

tweets.

I think I had a big unfollowing

over the past two days,

over the tariff tweets.

I think I lost like 200

followers. I don't know why though,

because I'm looking at my analytics and it's

not saying that.

But I assume it's a bunch of, like, Bricks, Bitcoin scammers who are speculating on the stock

market and lost big time and are fucking really losing their shit angry and see what I said.

Oh, they did a bot purge and other people have...

Okay, that's good to hear, actually.

Because I don't know if...

Everyone...

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's good. It's good. It's good. Glad to hear it.

Everyone lost, yeah.

I just assume maybe people were upset about what I was saying, but the reason I didn't

have a problem saying what I said is because although Americans are going to suffer

from this, they're already suffering big time.

And, you know, it's just that that suffering is not being felt at the top.

And now it kind of feels like it is a little at least.

And I have, I'm not, I'm not trying to declare war against day traders but this country needs a fucking wake-up call because the actual workers day in and day out

working like real jobs i'm not even just talking about blue collar jobs even

service workers like they have been suffering in silence with no dreams with no hope and these people day trading who think they can beat the market, again, I'm not, I sympathize

because they're trying to find a way out, but like, we need to have a wake-up call.

You're not going to get rich off the fucking stock market.

We need to all come together as a working class and and and and

figure it out that way and meanwhile the the the the wall street people you know i michael hudson

said something interesting.

He said the very top is not losing.

The pension funds got big,

got hit big, but here's the thing,

in the short term, they're not losing.

In the long term,

the capitalist class is going to suffer because of these

tariffs just like the rest of us and um you know the professional managerials are also going to suffer

because they don't want to work in factories they don't want to work in factories.

They don't want to work with their hands.

And so it's a class war going on.

Should we be a country that only has the option of you work in a coffee shop or you work in to be a doctor or something? What about the worker? See, this country is going to rapidly re-proletarianize. It's a term that Noah and the Midwestern Marx guys termed.

It's going to happen, and then the worker needs to be the center, the subject.

And that hasn't happened because a huge portion of the population has diverged from that into distractions.

Now everyone needs to come back

proletarianize.

And is that going to be good?

No, people might be working in sweatshops.

It could be terrible.

But that is what it, what it, that's what it what it that's what it's what it's

going to take for the worker to be the subject again that way everyone has

skin in the game and we all win back the rights of labor together that can't happen when large portions of the

population are being weaponized against labor in the way that they are like we go to try to unionize the truckers,

and you've got all these social parasites

and lumpen attacking us on it.

We can't have that.

Everyone needs to be sent to the factory,

so we're all in the same boat.

Why would Trump do this sometimes when i look at the camera

you can tell i'm a little fucking crazy right right? Like, I have some screws loose.

There's a, there is an insanity that goes.

It's a fire, you know?

And I want to think that Trump also has that.

I want to believe he does. I want to believe he's actually crazy.

I don't know if he is, or if there's an agenda here.

But sometimes I think he's really, like how he's talked to Netanyahu the other day.

I told Jackson about it. I said, Jackson, what is this man? We didn't, we don't know what's going on.

Look what he, look how he talked to net and yahoo um what is this i i was shocked first of all look look at Netanyahu's face and tell me

am I the only one seeing this? I don't know.

I don't know what's going on.

And he said he's probably not going to lower the tariffs And where?

And he said he's probably not going to lower the tariffs on them.

All the Zionists are coming out against the tariffs.

Ben Shapiro just did a whole fucking hit piece on them.

Trump is doing it like, it's coming from his head, it seems

like, I don't know.

Well, we're talking about a whole new

trade. Maybe not.

Maybe not. Don't forget, we help

Israel a lot. You know, we give Israel

$4 billion a year. That's a lot. You know, we give Israel $4 billion a year.

That's a lot.

Congratulations, by the way.

That's pretty good.

But we give Israel billion.

Look at his face.

What is that?

By the way, that's pretty good. But we give Israel billions of dollars a year

do you understand like

I've never seen a U.S. President say that.

I've never seen this like

like yeah, you know, we're helping you

and you fucking owe us is what he just said.

He said, congratulations.

Is he crazy?

I don't know.

Maybe he's actually crazy.

If he is crazy, we win big time.

That's not that he's going to come to our side.

It's that, Max, what's up?

Look, insanity.

When there's a guy in power who's crazy

it always benefits the cause of the revolution

because that guy is fucking up a lot of things

and he's causing chaos

it's the truth.

Like Rasputin, the insanity of Rasputin.

It helps the revolution this guy I feel like he's going to snap one day

I don't know

every I

we think Trump is on a leash

and it seems like he is

like he's clearly on a leash and it seems like he is. Like he's clearly on a leash. He's bombing Yemen and bragging about it.

He's talking about war with Iran. He's all these like forces, these neocons, all these people, they're clearly like driving a lot of policy.

But why does Trump swerve?

Why does he always have this crazy look where he swerves?

Unexpectedly, no one knows what he's doing.

And they all have to do damage control.

Like this guy, he's got an insanity.

He's got an element of insanity that reflects the insanity of the U.S. Empire right now.

And it's like, the tariff thing, I could be wrong.

But I think this guy

is off the leash.

Well, look,

here's the thing with Iran. Why are we doing

negotiations in Oman

behind Israel's

back? Did you know that? Apparently, the negotiations in behind Israel's back.

Did you know that?

Apparently, the negotiations in Oman with Iran,

Netanyahu didn't know about that.

He wasn't briefed about it.

And he seems a little nervous about that.

Because Trump, I don't know, maybe he wants a deal.

Yeah, look at his face when he talked about it.

I don't know. I could be wrong about everything.

I'm not saying I know the inner workings.

I'm just saying we should be open to the idea.

Hudson, yeah, who said that it would relieve the tax burden on the ultra-rich.

But if I may, isn't it the middle classes, quote-unquote, or more specifically, the, you know, whatever, the Midwest blue collar working class, let's just be honest, who want to get rid of the income tax the most because remember trump's tax cuts for the rich

that happened in term one they went to wall street and asked them is this what you want they said

no the major corporations apparently did not want this.

I could be wrong about that.

But sometimes I think that's a populist move he does to appease a more mass base, not necessarily the top 1% who doesn't really pay taxes anyway the top 1% have loopholes they don't really pay taxes Thank you. people making under 200k get the tax burden without benefits so fucking true i mean taxes

fuck the working class more than anyone it's the truth it's the truth i mean that they

they plunder the American worker

with taxes. Grant, what's up? You know something Trump did that I can't stand is that gold card bullshit.

I mean, it's cheapening the

meaning of citizenship.

And it's disgusting.

It's disgusting.

Um... and if they could give citizenship to a bunch of rich foreigners, they could take it from honest hard working Americans by the same logic.

They could take it away.

And there needs to be a lot of vigilance.

I don't like the idea of a bunch of fucking foreign tetherers coming into this country with a gold card just because they're wealthy.

So they can advocate for their parasitic traitor because these are traitors.

Our country doesn't need more traitors.

We don't want the traitors who betrayed their own countries in China and Russia to be flooding this country and spreading their disgusting

filthy poison to make us harm the perceptions of their homelands i dislike traders and i hate the gold cards because they give traders citizenship.

They give the bourgeoisie of other countries, citizenship to our country.

And I think that's disgusting.

You know how many...

You have no idea.

I come from communist Poland.

I come from communist Romania.

We had to flee that country.

Thank God!

The Statue of Liberty on Ellis Island. God bless the USA,

saving me from the communist tyranny. And the guy was like a fucking corrupt government

official from the regime

who fled as a traitor.

I come to America

for a better life

against the communist

tyranny. I come

from Romania and Poland and I come to flee the, the, you know, the tyranny of the communist. I don't know what to tell you. I came to free. God bless America. Thank you, USA. You are my best friend. You are the peace maker. You are the legend.

We don't fucking need more of those people. Deport

them.

Thank you, USA.

You are my best friend. You have rescued me. You are the legend.

They come and they start spreading poison. I need to tell you the dangers of communism.

I come from communist country. I fled to land of opportunity. And I so glad I am here in the

Statue of Liberty, where in America everything is freedom. here in the statue of liberty where

in America everything is freedom

freedom

get the fuck

out of here

that's what is beautiful about Get the fuck out of here.

That's what is beautiful about America.

It is freedom instead of the communism. Just like Ronald Reagan said, it is a statue of liberty, freedom.

No, America is 1776.

Davy Crockett hat with muskets, fighting the red coats, kicking out the occupation. That's america is right a republic by foreign of the people

and ronald reagan was a pedophile colluder friends friends with Margaret Petto Thatcher. All the Epstein shit originated from that filthy time, where Jimmy Seville and Margaret Thatcher were kidnapping children, and Reagan was too.

And they were taking them to the islands and they were tying them up and all this sick, twisted shit they were doing.

Fuck Ronald Hollywood Reagan pedophile.

He turned America into a fucking brand.

See, they stopped respecting the U.S. flag.

Now they wear the U.S. flag on their pants.

It's literally an insult.

Thanks to Reagan.

He's the one who created the super patriotism they used to

respect the flag in a solemn way and they would say it's a it's our heritage it's our

tradition it's our it's our tradition. It's our... It's our state.

Now they...

They have... they wear it on their underwear.

It's a disgrace.

That's where...

Yeah, he turned it into a fucking theme park.

Reagan. He turned America into a theme park

for foreigners from Romania and Poland to come.

Thank you, USA, it is Disneyland.

Everything is themed for the Freedom Land. Like like they turned it into some bullshit

yeah they come here and they they tell us we can't have health care we can can't do this. We can't do that.

Because I fled that from Romania.

Nobody gives a fuck.

I tell the truth and they persecute me.

You're not sure you're a viable canon.

ACP.us slash join.

Literally just join. Literally just join join what the fuck else are you doing i have a headache because of too much coffee.

Ah, you know what? You know why today was so fun? Because I had coffee.

I need to have coffee more often for debates and for things. I just have so much energy and it's so jovial. It's such a nice time.

I had coffee.

That's why.

I had Yemeni coffee.

Traditional Yemeni coffee. Yemeni coffee very good with honey and it's excellent. Yeah the Polish guy who yelled at me during the, when I was doing the Maga Communism 2 video,

I might release the footage for that, but the problem is that I was very chunky. I weighed 200 pounds, and I look at

myself in that footage, and I think, wow, I was quite the unit. But I'll think I'll try,

one day I'll edit it and release it for post Hawk but I was very big

at that time

um

but uh

I

uh yes

but yeah

some fucking like Polish guy was yelling at me because I was wearing the ACP hat.

Two years before our party, or one year before our party launched, by the way.

I was wearing our hat.

And I had the hat before before and I was wearing it Joe Biden Communist China Joe Biden China

yeah go to Joe Biden Communist China Joe get the fuck out of my country fucking retard like a pigeon wouldn't shut the

fuck up not even loyal to maga loyal to whatever stupid fucking Republican nonsense only.

No, we didn't film that.

We didn't film that guy yelling like a badgering pigeon.

But it was really obnoxious you know the victims of communism memorial

i don't advocate for vandalism at all.

I'm really against it.

But you want to know how I know 2020 was a color revolution?

Why were people blowing up target or setting targets on fire and McDonald's on fire,

but not the victims of communism memorial stuff.

Like,

that's how you tell it was led by a bunch of fucking Lip-Tard

color revolution beneficiaries and we will exercise our constitutional right and stage protests

at those memorials we will uh peaceful protests because we're going to say we're funding this.

We never voted on this.

No, get rid of this shit.

Get rid of this fucking.

We will protest the Holodomor wall.

We will.

Volk, we won't do that.

We will protest the

museum. We will protest the monuments

to the so-called victims of communism.

And that's something

we're going to probably do this year. I can't tell you

when. Well, we'll do it this year.

Yeah, they vandalized the first black regiment in the Civil War.

Really?

Unbelievable. vandalized the first black regiment in the civil war really unbelievable i just want all of you tax season i don't know if you paid your taxes yet or you filed an extension, but if you

paid your taxes, just know that some of your money went to the victims of communism employees.

There are employees working full time from Poland and from Latvia who are living off of your paychecks and where's doge where's Doge?

Where's Doge?

We don't know. Should the Baltics be independent?

No! Should Belgium exist?

No! I'm Sarah Fim, what's going on? You've been here since 2021 what's up brother

which civil is they belong to russia to russia

they belong to eurasia

they belong to Eurasia.

And you know, Dugan just proposed a union state between Iran and Russia's the most beautiful thing.

I agree with that unconditionally.

Iran, Russia, Union state, similar to Belarus, beautiful idea.

Beautiful idea.

They are both Scythians, and it would be such a grand union beautiful melding of cultures

and then Azerbaijan can be next

and it would be the next Tartaria, Scythian Empire, beautiful beautiful You know, Yeah.

Yeah. Trump believes U.S. can make iPhones.

Trump announces major tariffs on pharmaceuticals.

We're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals.

Wow.

He's going after everyone.

And once we're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals.

We're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals. We're going to tariff.

Hold on.

Let's, uh... But we're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals.

And once we do that, they're going to come rushing back into our country because we're the big market.

The advantage we have over everybody is that we're the

i love the tuxedo he's wearing it's perfect big market so we're going to be announcing very shortly

a major tariff on pharmaceuticals and and when you, and when they hear that, they will leave China,

they will leave other places because they have to sell most of their product is sold here.

But we're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals, and once we do that, they're going to come rushing back into our country because we're the big market.

The advantage we have.

And let's check.

Let's see what he said about iPhones.

Because there's a lot of brilliant stuff going on.

Um,

does the president endorse something that Howard let me have said on television this weekend, which was

the army of millions and millions of human beings

and she has glasses, by the way.

Bring in little screws to make iPhone by the way glasses just letting you know

that kind of thing is going to be moving

to the U.S. Is that how the president

divisions manufacturing shifting and if

so how long would that take roughly

and and and you have a filter on your reality literally

the president wants to increase manufacturing jobs here in the united states of america but

he's also looking at advanced technologies he's also looking at AI in emerging fields that are growing around the world that the United States needs to be a leader in as well.

So there's an array of diverse jobs, more traditional manufacturing jobs as you discuss, but also jobs in advanced technologies.

The president is looking at all

of those he wants them to come back home

iPhones specifically is that something

that he thinks is the kind of technology that can move to the

U.S. Yes Karen

whatever your name

is you will

have to make the iPhones in a factory instead of whatever it is the fuck you do.

Working to get me banned on Twitch, which is literally what you do.

You write stupid fucking articles, fake news bullshit that ends up getting me banned because you call me a Kremlin agent

you call me a Kremlin agent

so I went to fucking

Donbass

and I emptied a PKM

and I shot an RPG

to show you who the

Kremlin agent is.

Absolutely. He believes we have the labor, we have the workforce,

we have the resources to do it. And as

you know, Apple has invested

$500 billion here in the United States.

So if Apple didn't think the United States could do it, they probably wouldn't have put up that big chunk of change.

I'm going to say my iPhone is going to be made by me and not slave labor,

then rim the third world.

Fuck up.

Stupid.

Fucking journalist.

Um... What is Rand Paul saying is he's he's against this check show request for the ultimate polish tether

um Um, Polish Dominic Tarzinski!

Oh, Dominik Tarzinski!

Let's see what Rand Paul is saying first.

We have to start from talking about the truth.

One of the things they say with Canada is, oh, there's a 270% tariff on dairy products

going from the US into Canada. Well, you know what the real tariff on dairy products going from the U.S. into Canada.

Well, you know what the real tariff is?

Zero.

That's a big difference between what the truth is.

So there's a certain amount of goods, dairy goods that go to Canada every year.

This guy is fighting for the British crown.

He's defending

Canada I don't know what to say

he's a Canadian agent

all right he's defending Canada

this

uh all right let's let's look at this

Polish guy

exchange was crazy last night.

I do not have a question.

I would rather have a comment as a member

of the parliament, European

parliament, who was called

a fascist, Islamophob.

I was called all these names.

And I'm happy that we have this moment.

I am from Poland and I will tell you that Islam will not win in Europe and the Sharia

Allah! We will tell you right now no to Islam, no to Sharia law.

I am defiant brave warrior and I will say no to Islam and Sharia.

...of silence now because I would like to remind you, these people are lecturers about...

This guy want to bring Sharia law on beautiful white Poland.

Poland say no! no to Islam. We will not have the camels. We will not have the big minarets. We will not have the big prayers. We will not have the big prayers. We will not have the big prayers.

We will not have the big burkas.

We will not have Islam in our beautiful white Poland.

Oh, unity.

So I would like to remind you again.

Look at beautiful Polish girl, Polish woman.

We will not put hijab on her because beautiful blue eye blonde hair Polish women in the wheat field.

We are preserving the Lord of the Rings against the Mordor.

Oh, Paul and everyone cares so much about Paul in my country so important.

Again, they are talking and lecturing us about unity.

So now you have a chance to practice what you...

You have a chance to practice what you...

You have a chance.

Now I'm telling you I come from Poland.

I have an accent, but trust me, I am fully American car deal salesman.

I will sell you this car and I will tell you right now.

This car is the best deal you will ever get and just

like they say in the Hollywood movies I'm telling you this dog this vehicle is the best deal

like a pancake in the morning just like they say in the old Western movies like a pancake in the morning, just like they say in the old Western movies, like a waffle for breakfast, you will get the best deal right. Trust me, I have an accent, but you can trust me, okay? I am not going to give you a bad deal. Okay, I'm a man of integrity and the values of freedom and democracy.

Breach and show the whole nation what the unity in democracy means you have to have a class to lose because if you don't have a class when you're losing you have no right to win.

You have to have a loser. Islam and the democracy.

Isn't American.

So I don't know what the hell he's getting USA for.

I'll change USA, not you.

Okay.

I will tell you, you say I'm not American.

I am biggest American patriot there is. I love American troops in my country so much. I bow before them. I go to American military base, and I literally, in Islam, they do the prayer five times a day. I do five times a day in front of American military base.

It's my coppa.

I go there.

I pray five times a day.

I bring my wife.

She wear a hijab in the military base.

We worship America.

And so second of all, you're talking about losing with class when that bitch Donald Trump is trying to steal an election, try to terminate the Constitution or set off a riot

that he didn't mind if his vice president.

Excuse me,

Turkish Oiger.

Have you watched it the Lord of the Rings?

If not,

go watch and come back and talk to me.

Was murdered.

One rush to capital, tried to destroy our democracy.

He's the very worst in losing and losing.

Why is this orc from the Urukai yelling at me right now

I am a

I am the elf

from Lord of the Ring

that's how white I am I am the elf

not even that guy

with the sword

I'm literally the elf.

That's how great Poland is on the hierarchy of Europe.

And this Urukai is yelling at me.

We are honest about what goes wrong in the Democratic Party

and what goes in the Republican Party.

Are you guys honest about the fact that Donald Trump tried to steal an election?

He's got no class at all.

Go for it.

Dominic.

Guys, if I can ask for another moment of silence.

Who the hell is this guy?

You ask me

why I am

in US now.

You ask me

why I am in US

now.

And it is

very simple. I am

here to make money to scam

retarded people.

And I wave U.S. flag and I

look white guy.

And I can make much money

from this off of retard.

Because I was invited and I came here with my passport.

Patrick invited me as a politician to come to US because as a European, a Polish as a European European Polish I do I am the plumber in London I am European Polish the plumber in London recognized. as a leader of the free word that I pay my respect to this country. what a cuck what a cuck he is this is literally the the most despicable cuckold dream i've ever seen

would would an american ever go to a country and say you're my leader are we built that way

why the fuck would we respect a bitch like that and say you're my leader? Are we built that way?

Why the fuck would we respect a bitch like that who demeans and disrespects his own nation in this way?

Kissing our ass.

It's disgusting.

And I can hear, my friend, and I came here because I used to live under communism.

My country was under communism.

And Reagan with John Paul II, freed our country and I will be on.

And you need to be put back in chains, you fucking disgusting, filthy tether.

And we were living under the communism.

And we lived under the communism.

And Reagan freed us from the communism. The Urukai and Sauron they were whipping us and we were so miserable and it was terrible.

And then the Reagan and the USA save us from the communism

always grateful to the republicans of the United States for the freedom of Poland. For the freedom of Poland!

Poland!

And my presence...

Fuck you.

Fuck Europe.

5,000% tariff.

5,000% tariff.

Here in America

is my way to pay respect

to those who freed

from the communism.

Nope, China's

putting it back in chains, bitch.

China's bringing it back in chains, bitch. China's bringing it back.

Oh, freed what?

China's putting it right back where it belongs.

And we're helping them.

The ACP.

You overstay your welcome when we take power.

You're going in jail.

You're going to go to Alaska, right back where you started.

I came, no, no, no, we're becoming a communist country.

America, freed, then Reagan. Yeah, you're going to wake up to... country. America

freed and

Reagan.

Yeah,

you're going to

wake up to

an America,

a communist

America,

one day.

And there's

nowhere for you

to run.

Nowhere to

run.

There's going to

be nowhere

to flee to.

And that was America Know where to run. There's going to be nowhere to flee to. See, these guys, they are occupation agents,

creating a theme park version of what America is.

And it's all

run by pedophiles who created

a fake simulation theme park

America that was branded on the basis

of anti-communism.

Rather than the revolutionary principles

upon which our country was actually founded.

We have forgotten what this country is.

It's a total joke.

You go to DC, it's Disney World.

It's a complete sham.

And I do not want communism back.

Too bad, bitch. It's coming. And Kamala. Communism back.

Too bad, bitch. It's common.

And Kamala is a communist.

Nope. No No negotiate We don't negotiate with these people

Disgusting fuck

Fucking Polish guy

retard retard You know, Poland is the India of Europe

In terms of how much they kiss the ass of colonizers.

That's what it is.

The India of Europe.

It's not even Europe, right?

Poland is the India of Eurasia.

Let's call it that.

It's not part of Europe.

Who let Poland into Europe?

They got a little too comfortable.

These Czech Slovak, not Slovaks, they're fine.

The Czechs, the Poles, they came in and, oh, we are a dignified European.

Shut the fuck up

you larping bitch

they made you the plumbers

um

I dream of Poland in chains. You know, Poland. Thank you. You know, You know, Wow, we've been streaming for like three and a half hours.

Wow.

You guys notice how my streams are longer now?

Like then the two hours that they used to be?

Well, you know, that's just like what a streamer has to do to stream.

You know, they have done stream for a long time. You know, Streaming longer, no, it's got nothing to do with the book. Um, trillion dollar department of defense budget wow

this military that was a very small portion because we rebuilt the military during my first term.

And we have great things happening with our military. We also essentially approved a budget, which is in the facility. you'll like to hear this of a trillion

dollars one trillion dollars and all well what's up bro thank you nobody's seen anything like it we

have to build our military and we're very

cost conscious, but the military

is something that we have to build and we have to be

strong because you've got a lot of bad forces out

there now. So we're going to be approving

a budget. And I'm proud

to say, actually, the biggest one we've

ever done for the military,

we're cutting other things that were under Doge.

Yeah, that's fucking great.

See, this is like, yeah, that's the fascistic turn the U.S. is taking.

It's militarism.

Oh, man? Thank you. KFM with the five, what's going on, bro?

Appreciate you.

Appreciate you.

About to have some dinner. All right, guys.

I think we're going to wrap it up.

I hope you guys had fun tonight.

I hope you liked the debate.

And we'll be back Thursday.

Tariffs are a new opportunity to push economics that is considered crazy and and wacko it's a new opportunity for us guys let's not sleep on it let's not side with the experts let's side with the future future says we need some big ideas, you know.

Yeah.

Anyway, guys. Thank you.