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Um it's we're gonna join right now.

Let me deactivate this shroud, you know, like basically we have about going on right now and I don't know.

Alright, I have entered the studio.

Alright Vinny, we got Haas here as well, I'm gonna chuck him in.

What's happening?

Hi, what's up?

My bad for being late.

No.

Just a few things I had to take care of, but I'm here now.

No problems, man.

It's fine.

It gives people a little bit more time to filter in, so no problems.

Nice.

I don't know if Halsey can hear us.

So I'll text him on Twitter.

But this could

Yeah.

I'll I'll I'll text I'll text him on Twitter and see what he says.

Um good to see you again, man.

Thanks for coming back on the channel.

I've been so keen to get you on for a debate ever since um ever since we talked last time and ever since I've watched you debating with Andrew and I watched that whole long thing that you did with was it Nick Fuentes and Destiny?

Oh, that was from quite a while ago, wasn't it?

That was like um twenty two I think.

Yeah, yeah.

That was that was interesting though.

Interesting to see you guys to see you guys tangle.

Um Halsey said he's gonna go smoke a cigarette, but I haven't seen him do that.

Maybe this is like AI or something, I don't know.

I know it's like some sort of some sort of bot going on there.

Or what's up, man?

How was uh did you did you go overseas somewhere recently?

So you're shooting guns and everything?

Yeah, I went to well, I've ba gone to Donbass a few times, but I've uh went to Lebanon as well recently.

Yeah, that's super interesting.

How how's Lebanon?

Are they they're um obviously going through it at the moment?

Um, it's uh good.

You know, it's going good.

I saw some of the

the devastation and the destruction, but people are holding

People are holding fast, you know, they're holding strong.

Did you see that um Syrian embassy that they bombed?

I did not actually.

I didn't see that.

I went to visit a village in the south that was by the border.

Yeah, yeah, fair.

Um and uh Jackson was in was in Yemen, right?

Yes, I did not go on that trip, but he did, yeah.

How did you find um Alexander Dugan?

I I'd love to interview that guy eventually.

Oh, he's brilliant, you know.

He's very open-minded.

He's very, um.

Very interesting.

I think I I met him first when I was at the

The uh first time I went to Moscow, which was one year ago in February.

And he took a keen interest in MAGA communism and that's kind of how I was introduced to him.

Yeah, he's an interesting fella.

It's sort of like William Jennings.

Thank you, man.

Appreciate you.

Long guy.

Thank you so much.

There we go.

We got you.

Can you hear us all right, Halsey?

Now I can, yes.

Sorry about that.

Lovely.

We weren't sure if it was you there, if it was some sort of AI screen.

Yeah, I'm setting up the AI robot.

Yeah.

So just with the rules of the debate, guys, I'm pretty much like pretty hands-off when it comes to moderating, and I'm sure you guys can sort of regulate yourselves pretty well.

You're both really experienced with this sort of thing.

I'm going to get into it.

We're going to have a 30-second countdown, and then I'm going to introduce the both of you, introduce the debate a little bit, and then we'll kick it off to Haas for opening statements first.

Because he's got the affirmative position, and then Halsey.

And then at the end, with closing statements, after 60 minutes of dialogue, then we'll go Halsey and then give Haas the last word.

That sound good?

Sure.

That works for me.

Any questions from either of you guys?

It's a five-minute opening statement, so should be pretty easy.

Okay.

The topic, sorry, the topic is communism just in general?

Yeah, so does America need Marxism or does America need Marxist theory?

Nice.

Okay.

So just so you know, I'm willing to go in any direction that you want to argue this.

So don't feel constrained by the title or anything like that.

I'm fine going any direction you want.

Oh, yeah, cool.

Yeah.

Nice to hear.

Cool.

All right.

Cool, guys.

Well, let's get into it then.

Welcome everybody to another Rattlesnake TV debate night.

We have got a very exciting one.

I've been trying to line this up for a long time, been very keen to get this going.

We have got Halsey English versus Haas and today the debate topic is going to be, does America need Marxism or does America need Marxist theory?

Now the way that the debate is going to work is that both of these gentlemen will have five minutes to make an opening statement.

Then we will kick it into 60 minutes of open dialogue and we'll finish it off by another closing statement of around two minutes.

But you guys can stretch the time if you need to just a little bit.

Rules of the debate is that if there's too much over talking going on, then I'm going to have to moderate this.

But generally I'm pretty hands-off with moderating.

So I think that these guys will be able to regulate the conversation pretty well.

But otherwise, I think that with that, gentlemen and audience, hold on to your hat and let's get ready to rumble.

And now for the thousands in attendance, let's get...

All right, so we're going to kick it off with Haas, who has the affirmative position.

So Haas, five minutes on the clock for your opening statement.

Uh okay, sure.

So

United States of America right now is at a decisive turning point and it's experiencing rapid changes over the course of the past few decades at least within that time frame that have completely disoriented our society.

It has proven to be a significant test for the integrity of our state and our nation in general because it has also corresponded to a degree of polarization we have not seen since the first American Civil War.

And these changes and transformations that have been happening in the United States should primarily be understood through the lens of changes at the fundamental level of economic relationships, at the level of how people are getting by, how they're putting food on the table, how they're paying rent.

And this is all related to the dynamics of international trade and international trade relationships that have been fundamentally transformed since the post-war period.

And furthermore, to an even greater degree, following the period of globalization, the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs and the forms of subsistence and income that used to correspond to the American middle class are gone.

They're being wiped out.

They're being eliminated.

Our country is being crippled with debt.

And meanwhile, we're on the cusp of a new so-called fourth industrial revolution that's going to even deepen and further the process of disrupting the norms, the conventions, and the traditional ways of life that people are used to that they need to support their families, that they need to get by, that they need to make a living.

And I think now more than ever, as we're witnessing, and I think everyone can agree with this, a fundamental historical change, a fork in the road.

There's no going back, there's no avoiding it.

A change in general in history, in the history of this country, we need to have a clear idea about what's going on.

We need to have a clear comprehension of the laws governing this development.

We need to know why it's happening, how it led to this.

And in my view, Marxism best addresses these questions because Marxism is the science of historical change.

Marxism does not attribute the changes in history and the changes and developments that occur in pre-industrial, industrial societies and across other historical epochs to ideas, whether they're correct or incorrect.

Marxism does not say that the reason things are happening now is because bad people are doing bad things.

It neither attributes this to good people doing good things.

Marxism allows us to comprehend that at a fundamental structural and systemic level, there are contradictions.

There are contradictions which are unavoidable regardless of the ideas that we have in our head.

And they're related to how society is structured at the level of our relationships to production, the production of our livelihoods, the production of our communities, the production of our existence at the most fundamental and even physical level.

Marxism does not seek to, in the first place, impose some kind of magical solution to all of society's problems.

Marxism, in the first place, attempts to have a scientific comprehension of what is going on now.

And only on the basis of that analysis does Marxism come to the conclusion of where we are headed and what is the logical conclusion of the current historical moment we're in.

And when we awaken to that conclusion, when we awaken to the realization of where we are and where we're headed, we have clarity, which is exactly what we're lacking right now in this country.

Everyone is witnessing the profound changes that are happening at every level of society, and they're trying to explain them.

In unscientific ways, in mystified ways.

They're trying to resort to supernatural explanations.

They're trying to resort to explanations which inflame racial and ethnic divisions.

People are resorting to conclusions which pit them against their neighbors and blame them on other people having the wrong ideas or the right ideas.

They're trying to blame and lay all the fault on politicians like Donald Trump, as though our country was just completely fine and perfect before Trump came along.

And the population has a clear general idea that there is a ruling class, that there is this elite that's ruling over.

I don't mind.

Oh, am I over the thing?

Yeah, I don't mind if you want to let them keep going.

My bad.

We can just end it there.

I think there's plenty to start off with.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay.

Holsey, five minutes on the clock.

Let's go.

I agree with you that there is a fundamental change in America, but I think that what you're trying to explain as being Marxism, as being a determinant of what those different things are going to be, is both false and it's misleading in general.

So with the birth of the USSR, communism had a viable face in a nation, and it had a viable idea on how communism was going to be implemented.

In recognizing that we're facing an enemy that was more industrially strong, more intellectually powerful, and more resource, Laden, they created a new type of system that was also embraced by communist China.

It's been embraced by various movements around the world.

It's called asymmetrical warfare.

That's what Marxism is: asymmetrical warfare.

So let me explain the definition.

Asymmetrical warfare is a type of conflict where opposing forces have significantly different military capabilities, strategies, and tactics, often involving unconventional tactics by a weaker force to exploit vulnerabilities of a stronger opponent.

This is what Marxism has used to gain its foothold in areas which have seen division, whether it be racial, economic, national, or any other type of division.

Today, we see a new name that's added to this.

It's called the resistance.

You can see it in the Middle East with the axis of resistance encompassing Lebanon, Syria, Iran, the Houthis in Yemen, and the Palestinian Liberation Organization and the various Palestinian factions that encompass that organization.

They use the term resistance here in America too.

The Democratic Party uses it when they want to claim that they're facing an asymmetrical element in the forces of Donald Trump and the billionaire class.

They claim that this enemy is unable to be reached through typical legal means, so needs to be resisted at every level, both legal and illegal, leading to mass chaos, loss of property, loss of life, and many other negatives that you can see.

Haz would have you believe that this type of revolutionary mission to promote Marxism to its logical conclusion of a universal communism or a universal Marxism is all smokescreen.

It's why they like to call themselves resistance agents or revolutionaries.

It's because what they don't want to call themselves is what they are, which is chaos agents.

This has openly been expressed by Haas in his references to his MAGA communism.

MAGA communism is an idea that Donald Trump leads a movement of people who are fundamentally opposed to the structures of American society.

They're the most apt, the most likely, and the most available to be revolutionaries in this country because they tend not to trust the powers that be, and they tend to support different types of revolutionary ideas.

Some will call them conspiracy theories, whatever it may be.

But this isn't the case.

The people that support Trump, the people that support MAGA, are all about returning America to a time and period where our empire stretched from one end of the world to the other and was seen as a force of good, if nothing, just by Americans, but usually by other nations as well.

The type of people who in the past we've labeled as revolutionaries and resistance fighters, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tung, Fidel Castro, Yasser Arafat, the King dynasty in North Korea.

These are the people that Haas is talking about when he's talking about revolutionaries.

Now, what do all these people have in common?

They became incredibly rich from their form of Marxism, while their people became incredibly poor and started starving.

They want to point out the victories that they've won against Israel, against America, against whatever power they happen to be fighting, but they tend to leave out the two greatest victories that they have because they understand what it means to try to explain this to people.

Those are in Rhodesia and South Africa.

Both those revolutionary movements brought into power Robert Mugabe and Nelson Mandela, communist revolutionaries who immediately started implementing Marxist policies when they were able to liberate their countries from what they considered racial discrimination.

They used terrorism and international influence in order to do this and were able to use those terms conclusively when they took power until the infrastructure started to fail.

And then you saw the immediate return to racial strife, murder, and terror in order to scapegoat those who they felt were unavoidably capitalist or unavoidably able to be scapegoated, such as Jews and whites.

Those populations were completely expelled from Zimbabwe, which used to be Rhodesia.

And in South Africa, they would more likely than not leave if they could, but a lot of them don't have any place to go.

You see that they're being targeted by the ruling class in both those countries for murder, and their murderers are very rarely punished as they steal their property.

Politicians run for office, screaming, kill the boar, kill the white man, kill the people that have done you wrong.

This is a revolutionary.

This is resistance.

I'm sure you saw it when you were at Nasrallah's funeral a couple of months ago, who you praised as being a revolutionary and a resistance leader, a man who bombs children, a man who openly kills American soldiers, a man who targets American interests throughout the world.

These are not the people that we want to see.

Okay, I'll stop.

All right, cool.

I should have done this before, fellas, but I forgot at the start.

But you guys want to really quickly give like a 10-second introduction to yourself and what you believe, starting with Haas.

I'm Hazal Deen, and I'm the executive chairman of the American Communist Party.

I'm also host of the Infrared Show.

And.

That's all and Halsey.

I am Halsey English.

I am an American patriot.

I am a father.

I'm a family man.

I have a YouTube channel that I rarely use anymore.

I've been gravitating more towards Twitter spaces, and that's where you can find me.

We're happy to be talking about anything that comes up, and I'm very much looking forward to this debate.

By the way, also afterwards, we'll be hosting kind of like an afterwards.

We're going to have a bit of an after-party Twitter space.

How's you're more than welcome to come?

Same with you, Jake.

Raylon Stark is going to be hosting.

It's on my feed.

All right.

Awesome.

Should have done it at the start, but you know.

Sorry about that.

No, no, no, no, that's my bad.

So, guys, also, we're going to be reading out some super chats at the end, but as the debate goes, they're just going to be on screen.

So, with that, fellas, I'm going to kick it into open dialogue.

Um obviously you said many things that I would object to, but

Wasn't our country, the United States of America, founded by a revolution?

It was started founded by a revolution, but it was founded by a revolution of the aristocratic class.

There weren't very many people that were in poverty.

There weren't very many people that didn't have skin in the game when they formed the revolution.

In fact, they formed the revolution over things that were almost kind of nonsense.

Like the tax on tea and the taxes of the Stamp Act were very hardly even implemented.

It was just the idea of it that pissed them off so bad.

They wanted freedom from Britain, which is what they fought for.

It wasn't a revolutionary thing until they decided that the type of government they were going to implement was going to be a constitutional form of government with guaranteed rights.

That was what was revolutionary.

But once they did decide that, the Yeoman, the small farmer, was actually the decisive element to carry that revolution to victory.

Otherwise, these aristocrats that you're talking about wouldn't have gone anywhere.

But that would assume that those small farmers were able to fund the war themselves, which they weren't.

In fact, there were many times where...

You have as much funds as you want, but if you don't have manpower and people willing to actually die and be martyred for the cause, which many of the American revolutionary soldiers were, in fact, believing in the ideal, believing in independence as a principle, you couldn't have won that war.

It was a revolutionary war.

Yeah, but again, with the people having nothing but sticks and stones to throw at the other side, they have a very unlikely possibility of winning as well.

It was capitalist war bonds that funded the war and that were made it possible for them to die.

That's why it says in the Declaration of Independence, to this we pledge our fortunes and everything else to this revolution.

It didn't mention that they just focused their energy and their idealism.

It said they also focused their lives and their material possessions.

Right.

They could have financed the war to buy arms as much as they wanted, but if you didn't have the manpower with the right morale to fight that war, it could not have been won.

And that was all.

They didn't technically have that.

They had the support of about 15% of the country when the revolution was first proposed.

Washington actually told the people up in Boston to knock it off, that they were antagonizing Britain in a way that was not available.

And that just goes to show that there was such a revolutionary fervor and ferment already existing in what was at that time the 13 colonies, that indeed it was the popular majority that actually was the material force that was decisive.

Now, when it comes to the finances and the strategizing and the planning, most revolutions taken at that level are carried out by minorities.

But if you don't have the support of the popular majority, if they're not fully on board, and if they're not going to be the momentum of the revolution and the force of the revolution, right, then nothing moves, nothing happens.

So to say that is just a wealth of the world.

But you're using a bad terminology.

You're using a bad statement because it's not true.

There wasn't a popular majority in America that was for revolution or independence.

It was a minority, in fact, very small one.

But you decided Washington had to tell people to knock it off.

That kind of suggests that there was a popular stratum in this country that was not.

No, there was a very small revolt in Boston that encompassed about 200 people.

It wasn't much at all that committed the revolts rarely begin with everyone simultaneously rising up.

Every revolution in history, however popular it is, always begins with minorities who are willing to take a stand.

In a slave revolt, majority of slaves yearn for emancipation.

They yearn for independence and dignity.

Sometimes it takes one guy to stand up to inspire everybody else to do the same thing.

I would say it always does.

I would say it always does.

And that was the case for the American Revolution, like any other revolution in history.

It doesn't negate the fact that this was a popular revolution.

No, that's not true.

It wasn't that it took one man to inspire.

It wasn't that it took one movement to inspire.

It was the way that Britain decided to fight the war once the revolution began that really inspired people to actually want to join it by housing soldiers and people.

The sentiment against Britain was already so entrenched in the country at the time that the British soldiers were seen as an occupation force.

It absolutely was not.

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree because the yeoman small farmer, the tax burden that they had faced because of the British crown, was one of the fundamental motivating factors that led people to get tired.

The fact that they didn't.

I think you're overestimating what a small farmer was.

There weren't that many small farmers in America.

There just weren't.

There were large farmers in America, but the farming class was not so huge that they could do anything.

In fact, it was mostly the working class that worked for the farmers in addition to the slaves that would work on farms and that would do kind of farm work.

There weren't so many small farms that were involved, and there definitely weren't so many small farmers.

What would a Yeoman be then?

What is a Yeoman?

I would say they were just a worker at the time.

If you look at slavery in the South, only 1.7% of the population at any given time owned slaves.

It wasn't that it was a huge outcome.

And trust me, owning slaves.

But EO men are small.

Those are small subsistence farmers.

Oftentimes, they do have to work for big farmers because of debt burdens and other kinds of things.

But I don't understand what you're getting at with the slavery thing.

What I'm saying is that there weren't a large amount of farmers involved in all of this because there weren't a large amount of farmers in the first place.

There were plenty of people that grew crops in order to feed them.

I think the Eom men were considered small farmers.

I think subsistence farmers were a pretty sizable majority at the time of the population.

They just weren't.

They just weren't.

So you're saying that.

Workers who worked for large farm landowners were the majority and not yeomen.

I'm saying that there were plenty of industrial workers even back then.

There were people that turned trees into wood.

There were people that looked for fish and for things like that.

There were all types of workers that were present in America.

They were not small farmers.

That's fine, but there was also a sizable amount of Eomen in the early days.

Again, we went from sizable majority to sizable amount.

There were plenty of them, but there was not a sizable majority of them.

Oh, yeah, as long as we can agree there are plenty of them, I'm willing to.

Sure.

Okay.

I just reject the view that there weren't a lot.

I think that's pretty uncomfortable.

What I'm rejecting is I don't want to get caught in the weeds.

What I'm rejecting is the idea that the American Revolution was a popular movement of a majority of Americans, which at the time it absolutely was not.

It wasn't until the war started and the way it was.

Exactly.

When the war started, when it actually started to become decisive, when it became real, yes, it became a popular revolution.

I don't know if I should have told you.

Just for the purpose of argument so we don't get caught in the leads.

I'll just concede it.

Sure, because I think the reason I bring it up in the first place is because if you are going to stake out a position according to which the revolutionary position, the revolutionary history, the history of resistance, that all of that is associated with being a chaos agent and it's fundamentally antithetical to your values as an American patriot, I just find there to be a contradiction because America is founded upon a revolutionary principle.

There would not be a United States of America without a revolution to begin with.

No, the difference in what I'm talking about is that the revolutionary principle that started the American Revolution was the revolts up in Boston, which was literally a couple hundred people.

It was rejected by the vast majority of the aristocratic class in America.

They weren't for forming war with Britain.

Yes, that's the same.

The aristocratic class are the ones who decided to take up arms when it became necessary and run the revolution.

It wasn't the revolutionary class.

It wasn't revolutionary acts.

It was the aristocratic class with military experience that decided to take up the mantle.

The people who signed the Declaration of Independence, these were not small people.

These were very large people.

We're shifting the point of contention here.

At no point did I say that the people who signed the Declaration of Independence were common people.

Again, the leaders of revolutions are rarely the majority of the population.

Leaders are, by definition, always a minority.

And yes, they oftentimes are very privileged and aristocratic because they have to have the resources or at least the privilege and spare time to be able to commit themselves full-time to a revolutionary principle.

So that's besides the point.

But what I'm trying to say is that at the point in which they decided to take up leadership of an already existing revolutionary sentiment and fervor, they basically unleashed a dormant and latent force, which you yourself already agreed was already there, that was coming from the popular stratum.

I will agree with that, but I will also agree that the principles in which they fought for were independence-minded.

They were not based on revolutionary principles.

They were based on an occupying power.

What carried the foundation of the United States of America as a country, what carried that to its conclusion, the thing upon whose back it was a possibility, right?

That was the uprising of the revolutionary masses.

Without them, nothing would have happened.

A bunch of aristocrats with ideas and pens and quills would have not been able to do anything.

I agree that.

I'm just telling you, you couldn't be more wrong.

The biggest act of revolution that the colonists decided to do was actually sending a Declaration of Independence.

Do you think that's been done before?

Where they sent the occupying power a note saying, these are the reasons that compel us to the separation.

These are the reasons in which we have objected to your rule to the point where we can find no further way to justify your occupation.

The Jacobin French revolutionaries like Saint-Just and Robespierre originally didn't even want to overthrow the monarchy.

They just wanted a constitutional monarchy.

But to say that they're not revolutionaries would be a little ridiculous.

Because I'm saying that revolutions rarely begin.

But revolutions, I think this is the hang-up.

Revolutions don't begin with an a priori revolutionary ideal that you want to impose upon reality.

A revolution is a consequence of the fact that you could have a very reasonable, moderate, and normal position.

And because of the unreasonableness or the irrationality of the prevailing power, or because of the intensity of the contradictions that make that impossible, that's why revolutions happen.

You know, revolutions are not.

No, but I'm saying, but I'm not sure.

So you mentioned the Bolshevik.

You mentioned the Bolshevik Revolution.

Let me just make one more point.

The Bolshevik Revolution did not have.

Can I just make this one point first before we change speeds?

The American Revolution was not fought over a revolutionary ideal.

It was fought over because rights were being denied that were promised.

They didn't look at these rights as being revolutionary.

They were promised by the British crown.

They just were never delivered.

So when they decided to separate, it was because of a broken contract, which is a very capitalist and unrevolutionary idea.

The notion of a revolutionary ideal is derivative from the objective reality of revolutions across history that at certain points become necessary, regardless of the ideological convictions of those that carry them to their conclusion.

Robespierre and St.

Just did not begin with revolutionary ideals.

They discovered these ideals.

They discovered the necessity of these ideals because they corresponded to the reality they were living in.

And the same Americans never did that.

Americans never changed their ideals.

The ideals they wanted from the beginning were what they implemented when they won.

And the reason for that.

You yourself have proven that they did, because originally they didn't even want independence.

Originally.

Because they just wanted to press for their rights.

Exactly.

And they realized that they would have to awaken to a revolutionary principle in order for that to be possible.

No, they didn't.

They just realized that negotiations were never going to work again.

So they took up arms.

It was just a natural proportion.

Exactly.

And they took up arms and they carried out a revolution and thus acquiesced to the necessity of a revolutionary ideal.

Again, I'm not going to concede that it was a revolutionary ideal because it absolutely was not.

You jump in.

You have the argument that it didn't begin that.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think that it's a good idea to move on because Haas is making the argument that obviously he believes that America has that revolutionary spirit.

But then, even if we look at that in the modern day, I'd like to get into what that would actually look like if that revolutionary spirit were to sort of be embodied.

Oh, that's actually really interesting.

I'd like to also do that.

Yeah, one might look at the MAGA movement, for example, and think that that's revolutionary in its nature.

So, yeah, let's get into that.

Maybe you can kick us off, Holzy.

Why do you think that Marxism isn't the answer to whatever needs are pressing today?

Because Marxism is a system in which oppression becomes mandatory and in which theft becomes institutionalized.

There is no way that you can justify the stealing of someone's property and distributing it to other people based on an idea of fairness and have it work out to anything but starvation, unhappiness, and general misery, laziness, and a lack of ability to want to move forward and thrive as a nation.

But so, the idea that this is where we're at right now and the answer is basically more welfare, that's nuts.

I mean, that is nuts.

Everything you just described is what the Federal Reserve is doing, not Marxism.

How is the Federal Reserve doing that?

The Federal Reserve banks are plundering and looting this country as we speak.

As we recently saw with the stock market, they're tanking the pension funds that so many ordinary working-class people rely upon by manipulating the stock market in order to punish all the people who had to sell off stocks because of the recent tariffs.

So, this is just something that happened literally today, you know, where the robbery is.

I'm saying we used our tax dollars to bail out banks through the treasury that were private entities that in no way are accountable or answerable to the American public, and we paid for that.

They stole that from us.

Where's the Marxism in this equation?

I don't see it.

I don't think Marxism has anything to do with expanding welfare or theft or any of these things you're talking about.

The theft and the stuff you're talking about, all that is happening under capitalism.

Marxism is just a way of trying to scientifically understand why history is changing in the way that it is so that we can have the necessary clarity to know.

These laws of development so that they are no longer a source of strife, confusion, and decay for us.

So, I mean, let me answer that, please.

I mean, first of all, the idea that Marxism is a scientific definition or explanation of anything is compatently nuts.

But as far as the Federal Reserve goes, the Federal Reserve has done whatever it's done in order to print currency and put currency as the government demands into existence.

But if you look at just something as simple as Social Security, right?

Social Security, which is inherently a socialist program, even every Marxist that's ever existed in this country would agree to that.

And what happens is, is that Social Security, if you put, if you, okay, well, then I'll just assume that you're a little different.

But let me make my point.

That Social Security, if you invested your money into Social Security from the beginning or you invested it into a SP 500 fund, you would probably have about 10 times the amount of money and you would own it as opposed to it being a benefit of the government.

And that is between all of the times that everyone's complained and whined that the Federal Reserve has issued too much debt or has bailed out people that they shouldn't have, which, by the way, they've been doing since its exception.

I don't particularly like the Federal Reserve system, but I just know that a country that spends more than it has has to have some system in order to finance that.

And we can talk about destroying the Federal Reserve and going back to some standard like gold or some other commodity that could be that could be measured.

And maybe that would be economically viable, maybe.

But to try to put this on the Federal Reserve as opposed to the United States government, which tells the Federal Reserve how much money to print, is, again, just patently nuts.

How does the government tell the Fed what the interest rates are?

Because that's done by a cartel of private banks and they have independence from government policy.

Because the Federal Reserve exists to try to limit the amount of inflation that's going to be produced by modern monetary theory.

Again, not a big fan of modern monetary theory, but when they say that inflation is getting too high, they have to institute the only methods they know how in order to limit that inflation so that people don't actually starve.

Which funny enough, they've been actually quite good at over the last couple of years.

We like to think that we were struck by this inflationary reaction to the world, but you know what?

We really weren't.

The inflation rates made things harder on people, but that's because the Federal Reserve wasn't aggressive enough in trying to limit inflation.

Not because they were too lax, not because they gave away too much, not because they decided to do anything.

It was because their intervention was trying to limit the amount of money that was entering the money supply.

And they weren't trying to drive up interest rates too high, which is how you would normally limit inflation.

So they drove them up just enough to kind of halt it, but not really enough to sink it.

Hold on.

So you don't think that the Federal Reserve private banks are robbing the American people and stealing from them?

They're absolutely not robbing the American people.

If they were robbing the American people, you would see the robbery in clear day.

What they're trying to do is limit the pain that American people are doing.

We are seeing it.

We're seeing it in the form of the 50 to 60 or 70 percent of our income taxes going to paying interest on the national debt, which is debt that is a consequence of the money that's being printed by these private banks, which somehow were let's stop being silly on this.

You do realize that more than 51% of Americans don't pay any taxes at all.

They get back more money than they give into the federal government every single year.

And I'm not talking about the joint benefit of roads and houses.

I'm talking about a refund check they get from the government that is more than they paid in.

I think there's plenty of ways that the idea that all of our money, the idea that all of our money is going to pay for some kind of national debt, no, it's just approximately 50% of our income taxes go to servicing interest that is from the national debt.

Yeah, and that's what they say right before they borrow more money to give you right back that same money.

So it's not going to be a problem.

How is it being given back?

How is that being given?

Have you never gotten an income tax return check?

Yeah, well, they're clearly not nearly as much as what the government even takes from me, and I barely make anything.

And there's plenty of work that's been done.

I'm saying most people I know make more than they pay in.

And the economic advisor, and I don't know who I'm talking to because I know plenty of working classes.

Not talking to.

It's clear.

It's clear as day in economic reviews of everything that 51% of Americans pay zero income tax.

Well, I think there's plenty enough working people in this country who are paying too much.

Who feel like they're paying taxes?

Who are paying way more than they need to be just because we're paying off debt that is not even our own and that we didn't even.

You're saying nothing is more than they need to be?

They're paying the debt that is not ours, but is in fact.

They're not paying anything.

They are not paying into the system.

They get back more than they put in.

This is literally like the one thing you're not allowed to say in politics that everybody left and right agrees on, that 51% of the population doesn't pay any income tax.

Are you saying that because you're claiming that they're getting more in tax returns than what they paid?

They get more from the system back than they put into it.

What are you talking about?

How do they get more back from what?

From the welfare benefit or they get it back from tax returns.

Okay.

From tax returns.

I'm just going to go ahead and press X to doubt that for the majority of people, tax returns cover what they paid in their personal income taxes or total taxes.

You know what?

I'll tell you what.

I'll get you some statistics while you're talking because I'm sure for tax returns in particular, because I just don't think that's true at all.

Yeah.

So, Haas, your argument is basically that in terms of the ills that we're talking about at the moment, that actually this is a product of the Federal Reserve and this international banking company.

More specifically, it's a product of the rule and reign of the capitalist class.

It has nothing to do with Marxism.

And so, what is it?

No, what it actually is as a result of there are no significant Marxists at all anywhere in any reigns of power or decision-making in this country.

I would say that's not true.

I would say that Marxism prevails pretty heavily in the university system, in the legal system.

It might not be in the political class, but take it from an actual Marxist, that if I go into a university and start talking about Marxism, they're going to call me a bigot.

They're going to say that I'm transphobic, and they're going to say that I'm not attuned enough to the microaggressions of gender toilets or something.

I'm telling you now that what the CIA helped do with the Congress for Cultural Freedom is hijack some of the popular Marxist ideas that were kind of gaining traction in universities and completely steer that away from Marxism and toward this nebulous identity politics nonsense that was fundamentally toothless, devoid of any revolutionary potential whatsoever, and more fundamentally did not target the ruling capitalist class.

It targeted white men, even working-class white men.

It targeted straight people, it targeted ably-bodied people, even healthy people who are not fat, and saying these are all the real oppressors, not Wall Street, not the banks, not the private cartel of banks that form the Federal Reserve.

The real enemy is, in fact, you know, your neighbor because they're white or they're a man or they're cisgender or something like that.

So, that's what's that's the madness that's going on in the universities right now, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism.

Just congratulations.

I'm going to jump in just for one second, Halsey.

Sorry.

So, this is where I find it interesting in terms of listening to Haas and your descriptions and prescriptions of things, because generally when people think of communists, they think of these sort of like gay race communists that we see on the streets today.

So, in terms of your prescriptions and the way that you see it, why do you think that Marxism in particular is a good remedy for the ills that we're seeing?

You want to go first or you want me to?

Yeah, if Haas could go first.

Yeah, well, I think that Marxism has immensely important explanatory value, even just as an analytical tool, because it allows us to understand the changes happening in our society without having to resort to idealistic explanations that it's just the wrong ideas or that it's just the wrong type of people.

If we can understand that our problems have to do with objective qualities of our system, then just off the bat, we have better clarity.

Also, I think that politics is rigged against the majority in this country.

I think politics is for the minority, which is people who have immensely large volumes and sums of money.

And what Marxism teaches us and what empowers us with the ability of is to strategize about how the majority can pool their labor, pool their resources to come together to actually have a seat at the table at the very least.

So, that's why I think Marxism is very important.

It gives the majority a chance to be able to actually build power without having billions and billions of dollars.

So, a couple points on that.

The reason that we extended into this gay woke nonsense in the university system is because the economic rationale for Marxism just wasn't taking hold in this country, nor would it probably ever do much well in this country from its phase.

People are generally opposed to taxes.

People are generally opposed to government programs in this country.

Even if they're pulled and say that it's something that they want, when it comes down to it, they tend to oppose it.

So, what happens is that in order to stoke revolution, and you know what cultural Marxism is.

I don't have to school you on this kind of stuff.

They understand the asymmetrical warfare angle of it, is that what is needed in order to bring about a revolution are ideas that get people tuned in, that get people angry at their neighbor, that get people wanting to stand up for minorities, that get people wanting to take the majority and make them the enemy.

So, that's why you see white men being the enemy in this country.

You don't see them wanting to pool their labor and work with all the different minorities and everything else in order to advance anything.

You see a revolution where we're so divided on little stupid shit that we're willing to argue about whether a guy is a guy with a dick is actually a girl or not.

I just find one problem I have to point out before I forget it.

Okay, please.

If the problem, if the reason for the woke stuff is because there is no basis for Marxism anymore, at least as I'm describing it, because the majority of people, for example, are against taxes and stuff.

Doesn't that contradict the claim you just made earlier that the majority of people don't pay taxes at all?

I would say that the majority of people that don't pay taxes don't realize that they don't pay taxes because they don't realize that a refund check is a refund on their taxes.

I don't think they realize that welfare is a distribution of money to them.

I think that a lot of people don't realize the tax rate.

And you know what happens?

If any of them, and I've done this myself, I lived overseas for 11 years.

Anyone who goes to another country and they realize that when they actually pay the percentage of taxes to the government, they never get shit back, they freak out.

They don't even know how to deal with the situation.

And they think they're paying 80, 90% of their money in taxes because all of that money comes out of their paychecks and they never get anything back.

It's a very unique system here.

And it's not going to hide it very well.

Well, we're not going to agree on the point of people making more on refunds than they do on the income tax.

And, you know, as you know, the majority of people aren't even on welfare.

So, but in any case, look, I think that the best argument I could make for why I think that Marxism has always been relevant and at no point was the basis for Marxist ideas gaining traction gone is because it took right-wingers like Donald Trump to tap into angry working class sentiment, which was there the whole time.

It's just that there were no Marxists in this country to tap into that or to recognize it.

And that's a big problem.

You know, that's one of the reasons our movement has made a big splash because we're bringing Marxism back to this country after it's been gone for so many decades.

But it's actually Trump and the right, which has managed to successfully tap into class struggle and class grievances, proving that, in fact, there was always room.

There was always a relevance for Marxism.

You know who said this was Steve Bannon.

You know, in a recent podcast he did, he admitted, he said, I can't believe how badly the left fumbled the bag.

He said, we've, referring to himself, the right-wingers in the GOP, he said it was a cakewalk for us.

He said, if the left just doubled down on the Bernie Sanders stuff more aggressively, if they just had the teeth to stand up to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, they would have wiped us if they leveraged class struggle because he saw on the ground how significant that factor of the angry working class American blue-collar worker was to tip the scales politically.

And he was shocked that there was no left-wing politics, no Marxism that was tapping into this.

So if the right-wing anti-communist, anti-Marxist like Steve Bannon is admitting that, I think it's a pretty damning indictment on the idea that Marxism lost relevance in this country.

I don't think that the opinions of Steve Bannon matter all that much to me or many other people.

But again, he said it.

I don't think he is a Marxist, but I think that the sentiment that Donald Trump tapped into, hence the phrase, make America great again, was to have the opportunity for people to earn a living and to be able to be left alone by the government.

It wasn't that we wanted to institute some kind of universality or some kind of universal Benny system where we start getting all kinds of shit from the government.

There's no one that actually wants that.

After seeing Vietnam do not have very robust welfare systems like we do here.

China and Vietnam aren't robustly communist anymore.

They're just authoritarian.

But if we if we implemented 1% of the policies or system that China has here, everyone would be immediately rushing to the streets, decrying and denouncing it as communism.

As a matter of fact, well, okay, if we turned most of our major corporations into state-owned enterprise and nationalized banks, people would absolutely freak out.

Right, but that's the system China said.

That's the system China has in place right now.

So, you know, I think it can't really be said that China isn't led by Marxists.

It absolutely is.

I mean, China has billionaires.

China has millionaires.

What are those people?

Nowhere in Marxism does it prescribe the construction of a system or the construction of a form of governance that eliminates the possibility of extremely wealthy people.

Nowhere.

Nowhere does it say that.

Are you really going with that?

Absolutely nowhere.

So the idea of a bourgeois class is the bourgeoisie is not defined by wealth.

The bourgeoisie is defined primarily by the control and the ownership it has over the means of production.

As you can see in China, there is no class that exercises any such unilateral control.

The government, even if it decentralizes the task of the management of the economy and it entrusts this in the hands of people, you know, so-called private sector.

We know that in China, there's no real private sector.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

How on earth are you expecting people to...

China has a stock market.

That's what a stock market is.

It's private ownership of companies.

That's what you do.

You buy stock in a company, you own a part of it.

They have a stock, very robust stock market.

If we're going to go with the view that it's private, it is clearly not a form of private property that is in any way compatible or familiar to the more Anglo-American notion of what profits are.

Chinese companies list on the American Stock Exchange.

We have private ownership of the American companies.

Every single one of these companies sitting on the board that directs and manages these companies are members from the Communist Party of China.

So, as I said, the companies are directed and controlled by the party.

They don't have autonomy.

They don't own it.

It's not theirs exclusively.

There is a degree of discretion that they have, of course.

It's kind of like decentralization.

And, of course, people are allowed to get wealthy and they're allowed to have nice things.

But it is still cronyism, and then you're decrying it here, but you're somehow celebrating there.

That's nuts.

The idea that cronyism is somehow an acceptable form of cronyism because in China sucks here, but it's awesome there because the Communist Party are the cronies.

They're not cronies.

The Communist Party serves the overwhelming majority of the nation rather than the private plunderers and profiteers that rule our country.

Really?

Are you really going to go with that?

That Chinese Communist Party serves the interests of the people of China.

Are you really going to go with that?

Have you been to China?

Have you seen footage that's coming out of China?

I have met with a large amount of Chinese people.

China is all over China.

I have worked with think tanks that have worked with China.

And if you want to look at China, just look at the difference between China and Taiwan.

Same people.

Two different systems.

China is much better, much more advanced.

Much better in China than Taiwan.

The People's Republic of China is much more developed and advanced than the Republic of China, yes.

Really?

It is.

So the People's Republic of China is living in 2017.

They're living in 20 seconds.

They're not fucking aspirin and shit, whereas Taiwan creates and produces the most advanced computer chips known to man.

And you're trying to tell us about the world.

And the People's Republic of China is rapidly catching up and they're going to be able to produce it themselves.

They're absolutely going bankrupt.

They're not even able to sell real estate.

Their real estate sector is in the world.

They're saying that they're going to go bankrupt.

They've been saying that for decades, that they're going to go bankrupt and collapse anyway.

Go to the ghost cities.

You can see pictures of them.

They're readily available on the internet.

They built huge skyscrapers.

You know what the difference between a ghost city in China and an extremely dense populated city is?

Like five to ten years.

So they begin not that populated.

Once it becomes more lucrative and affordable, people start pouring in.

It's just that there's a long-term plan as far as urban development within China.

It's not that these cities are going to be ghost cities forever.

There's a long-term plan.

The cities in China are hideously overpopulated.

Smog centers.

You can't even go outside half the time in some of those.

Where's the city?

You're talking about China from China from 10 to 15 years ago.

Okay.

It's not the same place.

Just take it from me.

It's not.

Go to Beijing today and tell me about the smog.

You won't find it.

Okay.

Okay.

You know what?

I'll take your word for it just so we can move on from this ridiculous argument.

I mean, again, I just don't buy what you're saying.

Well, look, all I could say is this.

In China, private plunderers whose only motivation is profit are not in control.

The people that are in the country are in control.

Right.

And to be clear, so that we don't have to be normative or prescriptive here or whatever.

The party in China, what rules China is a plan.

They have a plan for developing their country.

That's what's in command and firm command and control of the country.

Not the interests of the private sector profiteers and capitalists who are just trying to look after their own bottom line at the expense of the majority.

I'm saying they've had a plan from the beginning.

Wait, let me just make one point.

They've had a plan from the beginning.

There was the Great Leap Forward.

There was a whole bunch of other things which led to 60 million people starving to death.

So sometimes a plan isn't that great, but America has never really had that.

And those numbers are a little ridiculous.

And we don't have this kind of starvation and desperation here.

So our homeless people are fat.

Our poor people have air conditioning.

China doesn't have the starvation either.

And the reason that they had a famine in the past was because they had to autarchically and from scratch build the foundations of a modern industrial economy without any assistance, without any help, without any foreign capital, while simultaneously being besieged by the world and even the Soviet Union because of the Sino-Soviet.

They had a plan that murdered the babies.

They murdered babies.

I don't know.

They literally aborted half the population that would exist so that they wouldn't all starve to death.

They aborted babies in order to do this.

And you're trying to say they had a good plan.

Okay, look, regardless of your views on abortion, I think we have abortion in this country as well.

So we're also murdering babies.

I guess everyone in the world is murdering babies.

It's not really an exclusively Chinese evil, regardless of your views on abortion.

I'm not an abortion absolutist.

I'm just saying that you're trying to make it seem like they had this happy, happy, fun plan where everybody was handed out.

When did I say that?

They murdered babies in order to not expand the family.

No, that's not, first of all, that's not true.

Second of all, the reason for the one-child policy, many in China regard as a mistake, but the reason for it at the time was because they thought that if they were overpopulated, it's not that everyone's going to starve.

Wait, are you saying they had a plan?

Is that why they did it?

Because they had a plan?

Because before you were talking about how fucking awesome their plan is, and now all of a sudden their plan sucked and they made a lot of mistakes.

Well, you know what?

Lots of people die when they fuck up and have a plan that's going to lead to a lot of people.

Are you saying abortion is murder?

Is that what you're saying?

Because if you're saying that, then we're also guilty of that as well.

I'm saying that when live babies were born and weren't few and weren't male.

I think that's bad.

They lost their babies.

I'm just going to present the doubt on that.

But in any case, look, the thing is, is that I'm not claiming anything is happy, happy, fun time when it comes to communism.

To actually make your country independent and self-reliant and industrialize it and create a better future for generations and generations to come, there has to be immense hardship.

There has to be immense sacrifice.

It's not an easy thing.

It's a really tough thing.

And it tests the resolve and it tests the stuff out of which a nation and a people are made.

And if you're not willing to make sacrifices like that, you don't deserve to exist as a people and a nation and don't deserve to have independence.

To begin with, what nation would accept the tyranny and slavery and colonialism of a foreign power?

They would take up arms and sacrifice everything to win their freedom and independence.

And it's the same thing is true when it comes to building economic.

And we're back to this again.

No, it's not.

It's not the same thing.

We're doing it now.

We're doing it now with the Trump terrorists.

We did not need to implement.

We did not implement it.

We're doing it now with the Trump.

Universal murder policy.

Trump terrorists.

We industrialized with a profit motive, and it was fucking brilliant.

No, we industrialized the same.

And then when all the communist shitholes started shedding communism, they all started adopting it, and they all started thriving without.

Russia in the 1990s was doing worse than it was during World War II.

Okay, it was a disaster.

But look, there's...

That's the result of communism.

No, that was the result of capitalism, actually.

But look, capitalism that caused a communist country to starve to death.

I didn't realize that.

Once they dismantled the communist system, the Russians started starving.

They started dying in mass numbers.

They started dying of disease.

Do you know what the Holodomor was?

Do you know the mass starvations that occurred throughout the history of the world?

That was the last famine.

That was the last famine that region was.

Oh, it was only 20 million.

It was just the last one.

No, it wasn't 20 million.

It was 20,000 trillion.

It was 20 quadrillion, to be clear, not 20.

I mean, look, I'm being facetious, but where are these numbers coming from?

It's a little ridiculous.

But look, here's the...

20 million starved in the whole holodomor?

I thought that was literally just something everyone knew.

No, but what are the numbers?

What were the numbers that starved then?

You tell me.

I'll listen to you.

Historians, the bourgeois historians, I should rather say, in the American academies, will say that it's anywhere from three to seven that were the only people who were and the majority of them didn't starve to death.

They died of diseases that accompanied malnutrition.

So it's a, I know it's not great, but it's.

So wait a minute, wait a minute.

So to put that into perspective, 3 to 7 million.

Do you sound like one of these people that say the Holocaust didn't happen because it was only two or three million?

We need to put this into perspective.

Around the world, under the capitalist system, the amount of people who die for the same reasons as in the Holodomor, the malnutrition and disease and stuff, it's 10 million per year.

So, every year that has passed since, let's say, the year 2000, 25 times 10 million.

Okay, so do the math.

That's the death count for capitalism.

Okay, oftentimes, the numbers of the victims of capitalist starvation are not even counted as victims of a famine.

For example, in India, during the time of the Great Leap Forward, had a higher mortality rate as a consequence of malnutrition and poverty than China did even at the height of its famine.

Oftentimes, in third world, we call them third world developing countries that are under capitalist systems, the same thing is happening continuously, all the time as the norm, but everyone just sees it as a human tragedy and they just call it extreme poverty and ignore it.

But in a communist system, when something goes wrong temporarily that's immediately fixed, that is universally acknowledged as a major mistake, that never happens again, this exceptional circumstance of a disaster that's happening, which is absolutely possible in any system, that's a huge indictment.

And communism should just be defined by the mistakes that have happened.

Never mind all of the benefits that actually established a norm of having food.

Don't say benefits if you get it.

There were absolutely benefits because what communism accomplished was raising people to a baseline standard of living, that they had access to education, food, clothing, electricity, water, clean water, medicine.

That was the norm.

The Great Leap Forward and the famine that happened in Ukraine, that was a rare exception.

The norm was a tremendous feat.

You have to understand where they were coming from.

These were backwater societies that came from nothing.

The people lived like animals and they were starving all the time and no one cared.

Communism uplifted them to a degree of power and industrial might that would have never otherwise happened.

And the best part about it is that they had no help.

They had no help and they had no assistance whatsoever from the global supply chains that were necessary to industrialize and develop every other capitalist country like America.

Without British capital and having access to that, we could have never industrialized.

We needed the industrial surpluses of European countries to come in and invest.

And even with that, it wasn't even like a free market system either.

We had a deeply protectionist system in place where we tariffed everyone.

We had a protections for American industry and we prioritized heavy-handed state intervention in the economy, state construction, state-funded infrastructure and so on and so on to lay the groundwork for American industrialization.

To say that all that is Marxism and that the dichotomy is just you just either have Marxism or you have free market capitalism ignores the fact that the socialistic tendency, you know, that because you're calling a lot of things socialist or communist or whatever, that was there before Marxism.

Marxism just started comprehending that in a scientific way, but it didn't invent that.

That's a tendency of human society that we've been tending towards almost naturally as a consequence of the development of history.

Yeah, do you know what?

And for example, the Trump tariffs that are going on right now, I mean, to say that this isn't going to lead to immense human suffering and immense short-term sacrifices, at least short-term sacrifices.

And to simultaneously say that you're a Trump supporter, I don't understand how you square those two things because the Trump tariffs is going to be what tests us as a nation and as a country.

And I don't think anyone can agree that we're going to have a, you know, rainbows and sunshine happy, happy, fun time because of those.

Okay, so you just dropped a lot of shit on me that I'm going to address point by point.

Do you know what the poverty rate was at the turn of the century?

Last year?

Not the 20th century, but the 19th century?

Uh what what's the method in the world?

I'm talking global.

What what's the methodology for for quantifying or or measuring that?

I'm using um I'm going to tell you exactly what I use because I wanted to make sure I got the numbers right.

Um this was done by socialincome.org, our world in data, and the Ameri the World Bank

All they all have the same numbers that in 1800, the poverty rate was 80%.

At the end of globalism, so to say, at the point we're at right now, it's 10% worldwide.

Okay.

So if you're trying to get that, that what I'm saying is as communism adopts more capitalist systems throughout the world, they raise people out of poverty.

The sharpest increases were when China started allowing more capitalism and when Russia started allowing more capitalism.

And you know what?

I'm with you on this whole true Russia, the true communism has never been tried.

Neither is true capitalism.

But all the capitalistic principles move more towards food and money.

No, and the other ones move more towards poverty and starving.

China started more modernizing and having a more light industry, consumer-based economy, and it started developing more once it started having access to the world market.

The total lack of develop a consumer-based economy without money.

You have to have money to spend to do it in order to do that to industrializing creativity.

There was a very complex monetary.

60 million people starved to death under Mao.

So no, you can't say that there was just money floating around all over the place under Mao.

60 million people did not starve under Mao.

And then, second of all, there was a very complex monetary system in place before Deng Xiaoping's reform.

So Deng didn't just bring all of the qualities and features you're attributing to.

I mean, there were markets under Mao.

The thing that Deng did that was decisive was a degree of the decentralization, the introduction of market reforms in the people's communes, and finally, access to the world market, the total wealth of all mankind.

Before China was...

contradicted yourself completely.

You just said that the whole reason China was so fucking awesome was because they had centralized control of all their industries.

And then you say, what made them come out of poverty?

Decentralization.

No, because you are getting two things confused.

There were two phases of the development of Chinese socialism.

Under Mao, most of them were, but under Mao, you have the primary stage.

This is what creates the framework of a modern industrial economy with the basics, the bare minimums and the basics.

That is the necessary foundation for any kind of industrialization.

You have to centralize the economy.

You have to build a modern industrial system with the basic rudiments of infrastructure and shared irrigation works and so on and so on for agriculture and so on.

You have to have a lot of steel and iron production and so on.

So that is what Mao actually accomplished.

And it could only have been done under the kind of system that existed under Mao.

Now, once that foundation had been laid successfully, Deng Xiaoping could embark upon another stage, which was a kind of layer on top of that, which made everything more dynamic and receptive to the ability to assail the world market in the direction of China being able to fulfill its plans.

So it's not that the Chinese economy became less planned or less socialistic.

It's that it became more dynamic and more capable of tapping into the forces of the world market pursuant to its aims of not just industrialization because the industrialization at the baseline level happened under Mao, but more broadly, modernization.

So access to consumer light industry goods, the building and construction of cities and all the things we associate with modern information economies of scale and so on and so on.

And now that China has done that, they're lapping us, you know, and they have a socialistic system and they're lapping us.

If we are the bog standard for the golden standard for a capitalist system, if you're claiming that China is only successful because it adopted elements of our system, why is China surpassing us now even though it's more socialistic than we are?

How are they?

I'm not saying that we're not as we don't have an element of socialism.

No, no, but they are way more socialist than we are.

They're not lapping us, though.

I don't know what measure, what metric are you using that they're lapping us?

Compare one city in this country that looks like any of China's major cities.

Just one.

One city in this country that can...

So we're talking about the aesthetic value of the city.

No, not the aesthetic.

The functionality of the city, how modern, how clean it is, how functional it is, how efficient it is, how many amenities there are, how much it works, how much it is planned the right kind of way.

One city in this country that can even hold a single candle to one of China's, not even just their major cities, even some of their minor cities that they have that people don't even pay much attention to.

They're hiding how much they've lapped us.

They're scared that when we realize how advanced they are relative to us, that we're going to get way more aggressive and stuff.

So they kind of, they followed Deng Xiaoping's motto, which is hide your strength, bide your time.

They're living in 2075, man.

It's a completely different world.

I mean, I I kind of recall that one of their scientific centers, Wuhan, has markets where people eat bats and shit and chop up meat without.

Right, and and I can go to LA and show you people eating shit.

Eating shit?

Yes, I've seen it.

Your argument is that people in A L A are eating shit.

Go to the sidewalks and you'll see.

They're eating shit.

I don't know how to answer this.

Let's move on.

San Francisco.

That is so retarded.

I don't even know how to do it.

It's true.

The crackheads in New York Subway and in San Francisco and in LA are eating shit in public.

Are you trolling me?

I am not trying to be a clown or something like that.

Are you trying to say that people are eating shit?

People are going onto the sidewalk, picking up human feces and eating them.

Yes.

Anyways, fellas, this is not exactly what the debate is.

And that's not going on in China.

They are eating the dogs.

That's for sure.

They're definitely eating shit because I've seen them.

I wanted to move on just slightly in terms of.

Hold on, one sec.

Sorry.

In terms of prescriptions.

So I think that you guys might even agree about a few descriptions here and there.

But in terms of prescriptions, Haas, because the debate is about why America needs communism, we've done a good job of sort of laying the foundations and looking at China and Soviet Union and all of these different places.

But Haas, if you could come into power tomorrow and make sweeping changes to bring in Marxist theory to America, it sounds like you'd want to abolish the Federal Reserve and you'd want to centralize industry and all these sorts of things.

So what would you do?

Try and give it like a brief summary as to what you do, and then we can have Halsey respond to that.

I'd implement the program of our Communist Party.

So first thing I do is I'd wipe out all the debt, just cancel it.

And if the bankers have a problem, we send them to labor camps in Alaska.

They can't do anything.

We're going to wipe out and cancel the debt.

It's the first thing.

We're going to reform the monetary system we have.

The first step is going to be nationalizing, having a national bank.

It's going to be focusing more on investment into productive industry and productive enterprise.

Also giving way more opportunities to the average American, eliminating this rigged stock market with all these insiders and all these corrupt cronies who are monopolizing everything.

So that would be the most fundamental change that would happen right away is the changes to the monetary system.

We'd probably also want to think about adopting a new way our currency works, which because right now it's backed by nothing and it has this disastrous quality of simultaneously being a political currency, which we need to pump into the economy, stabilize the economy, and a global reserve currency.

So that needs to change.

So reforms would happen at that level.

We would convert all of the major industries, all the monopolies, the energy industries, electricity, all the major corporations, the car manufacturers.

We subsidize them already.

We're giving them so much already.

We would just nationalize them.

We take them over, convert them to state-owned enterprises that are consolidated in the public interest.

So that would be one of the other major things we would do.

One of the things that we could do right away, just right off the get-go, right off the bat, is just using credit from the state bank to rapidly reindustrialize the country.

We're going to be building new infrastructure.

We're going to be building new cities.

We're going to basically be taking out credit to do all these things.

It'll pay for itself.

That's how it works in China.

And another thing that we do is we reform the education system.

We'd abolish these Ivy League parasite CIA nest colleges.

We'd have a new paradigm of education in place.

We'd have more emphasis on trade schools, technical skills, things like that.

I'd also shorten the workday.

We'd have shorter working hours because we would calculate exactly how much we need to actually sustain the fundamentals of industry and the reproduction of society and so on and so on.

And actually, when you calculate it, it comes down to in the 70s, they did a study.

It was about one hour per day.

It's probably even less today.

I don't know.

We'd have a radical plan to basically shorten the working hours.

And then we would have an economy, a parallel economy that starts developing based on the information sphere, a post-monetary economy, information economy in the fourth industrial revolution that's based in people's free time.

So you clock in in the mines for one hour a day.

You clock in the factory one hour a day, whatever.

You have all this free time left of you open up a bakery.

You pursue entrepreneurship.

All of it's going to be based on the information economy, post-monetary economy.

Just like how when you want to start up something on the internet that's digital, it's all going to be based on how many people are subscribing to you, watching you, patronizing you, and so on and so on.

So the framework for building an economy like that in real life is in place and it's going to be tied to the information sphere and something like that would be implemented.

So basically, it would be a radical transformation, rapid quantum leap into a socialist construction, basically.

All right.

Yeah, I know.

I just want to make sure that I've got this straight.

We're going to just cancel the debt.

So we're going to tell everyone we owe money to to go fuck themselves, right?

And after we tell them to go fuck themselves, we're going to get rid of our national bank and create a new national bank that's under the guise of the Marxist government, but the one that we have already, which is the height of all evil, is going to be replaced by one that's going to be a lot of people.

It's led by ACP, the Communist Party.

Okay, so again, you're taking one state-run bank and you're saying your state-run bank is going to be back.

The Fed is run by the private cartel of banks.

It's not run by the state.

Okay, yeah, it has a .gov email address for or one of the best.

Yeah, they've taken over our government, sure, but it's still the private.

It's JP Morgan and they created it.

It's private all the time.

So wait, wait, wait, wait.

No, no, no.

I got to get this straight.

You're going to take the working hours that Americans work and turn it into one hour a day so that they can be free to pursue.

businesses and entrepreneurship in a system where you're not allowed to own private property.

No, and only what are they going to do?

You just said that we're going to nationalize everything.

So if we're nationalizing everything, we're only going to be converting into state-owned enterprises the existing monopolies.

What monopolies are those?

I named them.

Energy, the car manufacturers, the major ones.

All the ones that wouldn't exist without the help of the government already.

How about that?

All the ones that need our data.

So you're saying that the car industries, which encompass dozens and dozens of different cars, are somehow still a monopoly.

And take them all over with energy from all the world.

They wouldn't exist without us.

We pay for them.

They wouldn't exist without us.

Everything that depends upon our taxes, we're going to take it.

We're just going to take it and give it away to everybody.

We're going to take it.

Well, we're going to take it and we're going to entrust it in the public interest, which means it's going to serve the purpose of the business.

Who gets to decide the public interest?

It's going to serve the purpose of benefiting the government.

No, answer my question.

Who decides the public interest?

The government does.

So the government is going to basically create an energy company and a car company that are akin to the DMV.

I mean, you do realize what happened when America turned out to be a lot of people.

No, but the DMV marketing.

Wait, no, no, no.

I let you ramble for a while.

I get to say what I get to say now.

You are trying to say that the housing project movement, where the government decided that, hey, we'll just build houses for everybody, which turned into sweltering shitholes where, as you say, people eat poop.

Okay?

Like for some reason.

Those were just like a fuck-up that didn't happen.

When we built the train systems and they were completely inefficient when they were directed by the government, the one private company managed to do it a thousand times easier.

The subways were built back in the 40s.

Do they need to be modernized?

And that just shows how neglected our public sphere is.

It's just neglected.

It's a rotting shithole, and our government sucks and nothing works in our government because our government isn't even.

So the answer is to make another government that has more.

That's the problem.

That's the problem.

Our government sucks and can't get anything right because it's not designed to do that.

It's designed to serve the interests of the plutocrats and the private, corrupt, capitalist elite.

And it's not designed to serve us.

The Chinese government works plenty fine.

They have bullet trains.

They have high-speed braille.

It's clean.

It's beautiful.

It's efficient.

We should have that too because we need a government that works for us and doesn't work for Wall Street.

So, again, you're saying that when America designed their subway system, they designed the most advanced system that was available in the 40s.

And we never updated it because the government doesn't give a shit about it.

I'm not cutting you off.

Don't cut me off.

China designs theirs in a modern time and implements it.

And it's nicer than ours.

And somehow that's proof that China had a plan and we didn't, even though we both did literally the exact same thing.

We did it 100 years ago and they're doing it now.

What are you saying?

What I'm saying is the technology that was available when we did it was not why haven't we still doing it?

Why have we stopped doing it?

Because our government doesn't have to do it.

Oh, no, you definitely.

You're not going to get me to defend our government as being some kind of beacon of hope.

Why aren't they updating our infrastructure?

What I'm saying is your idea of making a bigger and more centralized government is patently insane when you're saying that the one we've created sucks as bad as it does.

Your answer is to give them more control?

That's fucking no, not them.

We give control to a government that works.

To us, I forgot it's us, right?

It's a government of the people that works for us, not the government.

They work for us.

I mean, you do realize we've tried this whole bullshit argument before of the government working for us and that they're just like in Chinese and in China the government works for the people and it's proven by the results by the way.

The Chinese are literally our manufacturing hub and get all they without us they don't exist.

They're going up.

They're improving.

Everything's getting better.

It's great.

They're advancing.

They're in 2075 and we're eating shit on the street.

Again, with the shit on the street, I don't know how to answer such retarded shit like this that we're eating shit on the street.

We're eating shit on the street and they're living in 2095.

Jake, the guy's trolling me.

I'm not.

He's not making a legitimate argument that I'm absolutely eating shit.

And somehow, bat soup in China is far superior to the business.

Bat soup is much better than actual shit.

Look, fellas, that is not within the purview of the debate, so I'm going to have to stop that there.

But there was a lot to actually go with in terms of what Ha said with his prescriptions about what would you know.

Again, his argument is a circular argument.

His argument is our government sucks, so therefore what we need to do is throw it away, create a new government that has way more control, and implement a plan that I assume is what his?

That he's going to that somehow, all of a sudden, wait a minute, the people that get involved in the new government, they're not corrupt like our old government.

They're actually really cool people who come together with a plan and then are able to implement it by taking away everybody's shit and nationalizing it.

And now all of a sudden they're in charge and that's going to be awesome.

You missed one thing.

Unbelievably retarded.

You missed one thing.

You misunderstood another.

Okay, what did I miss?

That's important.

How are we going to make sure it doesn't turn out to be the shitty government we have now?

We wipe out the bankster class.

We wipe them out.

That's in a peaceful way or whatever.

There's a peaceful way to wipe people out.

You send them to Alaska to work on bridges and stuff.

Anyway, look, the second thing you misunderstood.

Oh, gulags.

Gulags are the answers.

No, we call them fun camps in Alaska.

But listen, the second thing we're going to be doing.

Sorry, the second thing that you misunderstood.

I'm not trolling you.

I'm just trying to lighten the mood.

The second thing you misunderstood is the idea the government is going to take all of people's belongings.

Okay, private property as an institution in Marxism is not the same thing as things that people use and that actually have a role that's socially, that facilitates social production.

Private property as an institution is an anti-social institution, just like interest, just like the banking system that we have, which basically is rooted in immiserating people with debt.

So that's a specific institution of capital.

It's not the same thing as people having entrepreneurship in the information age.

It's not the same thing as somebody in the digital age, right?

Producing content and art and stuff that people like and subscribe to and want to patronize.

And there's nothing wrong with entrepreneurship.

Entrepreneurship is fine.

It's not incompatible with socialism.

As long as they have the right idea of it, right?

No, no, because it's what the people determine.

So for example, you run a YouTube channel, okay?

Your YouTube channel is going to sink or swim on the basis of how many viewers, how many subscribers, how many people actually want to tune in and give you their support.

You mean a capitalist system?

No, no, no, no.

The difference is in a capitalist system, it's not based on information economics.

It's just based on monetary economics.

Now, we are not fully ready to destroy all of the remnants of that overnight, but we can start to make a transition into an information post-monetary economy and lay the foundation for that by integrating the information sphere, which is the internet and social media, all this kind of stuff, with real-life production and real-life entrepreneurship.

It's kind of already happening.

There's so many new sprawling businesses that are opening up and emerging that sink or swim on the basis of the social media stuff.

So it's a really dynamic thing that's going on already.

And you just need to kind of structure our policies to facilitate that even more, you know?

Okay, so again, I just want to make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

We're going to take the banking class, whatever that may be, and we're going to put them in a happy gulag up in Alaska building bridges.

After we wipe them out, we're then going to determine that everyone only has to work for an hour a day.

Yep.

And that the systems, which will no longer be capitalist because they'll be dictated by the happy, happy government that just wiped out the banking class.

Wait, wait, wait.

Will favor artists and people on YouTube and people that do information work.

I said entrepreneur.

No, no, no.

No, no, no.

Forget the YouTube thing, right?

I'm talking about how the information economy, it's only happening on our computers, on our screens, right?

That is starting to bleed over into the real world in terms of the information dynamics about how everything is now driven by attention and popular demand directly, rather than solely on the basis of, you know, how well it performs on the stock market or how lucrative it's judged to be according to investment banks.

Okay.

So there's a new logic.

There's a new logic at play when it comes to how society is developing, when it comes to how we produce things, small businesses, coffee shops, all this kind of stuff.

And basically...

We're going to be able to frequent all those businesses and people should be able to, in their free time, pursue their American dream, which majority of it will fail, but they have the chance to pursue their dream in their free time.

Let's say you have to.

Only working an hour a day.

Working an hour a day for things that are necessary, that we all agree are indisputably necessary for our survival.

And then we have all these surpluses and all these free time for people to actually realize their dreams, their American dream.

So, the kind of consumer, you know, leisure stuff, you know, again, I name coffee shops, bakeries, restaurants, entertainment venues, music, all this kind of stuff.

In our free time, we should have the ability to pursue those things.

And we don't have enough free time.

Wait a minute.

Let me ask you.

Our full creative potential as a people.

I love it.

Full creative.

Sure.

What I'm saying is that I have a family of seven.

Okay.

There's me, my wife, and my five kids.

I don't know how many children you have, but I would assume it's none.

Okay.

Are you married?

Not yet.

So you're saying that me working an hour a day is going to provide the same thing as you working an hour a day, but for me, it's for seven people.

For you, it's one.

And somehow, at the end of all of this, we're going to be able to hang out at the coffee shop as long as we live in the pods and eats the bugs because it's determined by the centralized government what we actually need.

So they did a study in the 70s, which said that in order to reproduce the existing amount of wealth that we have right now, to keep our society running, everyone only needs to work one to three hours a day.

That's necessary to actually look it up.

It's actually real.

So we are working more hours than is necessary.

Wait, a time before the internet, cell phones, and look, look, I'm saying technology and automation.

Technology and automation has gotten to a point since the 70s where it's probably less.

You need to understand our society is becoming more advanced than it was in the 70s when it comes to how automated and technologically integrated it is.

A giant amount of money.

So again, I don't understand where we're getting all this money.

Where does money come from?

What is money?

Money in the U.S.

is backed by nothing.

It's just a government credit.

It's nothing.

It's a government credit.

It's Federal Reserve credit.

No, it's literally just unspent services.

If someone like Steve Jobs creates iPhones, I decide that the iPhone in my pocket is more important than the money in my pocket.

The value of these things can be calculated on a more rational basis.

As an IOU, all these things can be calculated on a basis that is much more rational and much more related to the actual costs of production at the level of energy, at the level of resource consumption, and all these kind of things than relying on fake paper treasury notes that clearly are out of sync with reality because we're about, what, $40 trillion in debt?

How does that square up?

So again, but you already said at the beginning, we're going to cancel that and throw all the bankers in the happy gulag.

So that's already gone.

We don't have to worry about the $40 trillion in debt anymore.

The people that we owe the money to, they don't give a fuck either.

They're just cool with it.

And then we never sign up.

Wait, we're going to wait.

Wait.

We're going to calculate through robots, the Communist Party and technology, how we can create a society in which people only work for an hour to three a day and are free to spend something.

We can't call it money because remember, money is just fake notes.

To be clear, I don't know if it's exactly an hour.

I just know it's radically less than we work now.

So we're going to shorten the workday.

And what's going to happen is very simple.

That is going to guarantee a basic level of subsistence where you have the basics.

Anything beyond that, we're going to give people the freedom to pursue a people-driven, decentralized form of economic.

No, no, no, no.

Let me finish.

People-driven.

Don't yell at me like that.

I didn't yell at you like that.

You're not even letting me talk.

People-driven form of economics, which where they have the freedom.

You can say this without smiling, man.

Like, seriously, I like.

I'm smiling because I have to make that noise.

I'm smiling because you made me make that ridiculous noise because you keep interrupting me.

But look, people-driven economics, okay?

Um, that is not based on coercion, it's not based on your force to do this, okay.

In order for us, what if I don't want to work?

If you don't want to work at all, it's like the Bible: he who doesn't work doesn't eat.

You better have a good reason, everyone has to work.

Everyone has to work?

Everybody has to work, unless you have a good reason.

Do you have a do you get to decide what you do?

Why should you be entitled to the benefits of society's wealth if you're not contributing anything?

I'm saying there are plenty of people who can't work.

If they can't, that's like disabled people.

That's elderly people.

That's children, obviously.

If they can't, obviously any rational society plans for that and takes those people out of the pool of necessary labor.

And nobody has to work at all.

And my five kids and my wife and my elderly parents, they all get to get the same amount of shit as everyone else, but I still only have to work through the money.

So look, the details, the details, the details.

The details?

You don't get to say the details get worked out in the wash.

No, the details have to be.

The details cannot be worked out by Hazal Dean in this stream right now for a fucking society of 330 million people.

I'm just giving you a general idea of what direction I think we should be going in and what direction we can be going in.

We don't need to have people work 60-hour work weeks, 80-hour work weeks.

Okay, it's ridiculous.

That is far beyond and over what is necessary to actually have a wealthy and prosperous society.

People are getting scared.

People are being forced to work 60 to 80 hour work weeks just to put food on the table.

No, not to put food on the table to live a lifestyle they want.

No, because they're not living anything.

They're overworked.

They're working 10, 12 hours a day.

What are we talking about here?

They're working so much that they don't have time to live any kind of luxurious life.

They have to do it because they need to pay for medical expenses for their kids.

They have to fund their kids education.

They have to put clothes on their feed their families.

I mean, it's ridiculous.

So again, I'm going to go.

Halsey, I'm going to let you jump in in just a second, but we'll go for a few more minutes and then we're going to go into closing statements.

Haz, if you've got any comrades that want to come in and call into the debate, then you can.

And Holsey, if you have people who want to call in right now, just doctor, if you guys have got time after the I would prefer we don't do that just because I don't want people like I agreed to debate him.

He agreed to just let people jump in and start running at him and me that we have no idea what their basis is.

I would rather not do that.

Thought I'd throw a cat amongst the pigeons, but that's okay.

Yeah, so Holsey, if you want to, I'm interested to hear in terms of your prescriptions as well.

What are your prescriptions when you look around society at the moment for the fitting ills that you see and why is it different to Marxism?

And I'm going to be back in just a sec, guys, so go for it.

No problem.

My prescription is to embrace the capitalist nature of America and unleash American innovation as we have been doing.

We've invested trillions of dollars in our military and almost every information system that's come out, every technology that we've ever dreamed of, has come from our military expenditures.

Everyone likes to demonize the military and say we use it for global warmongering and things like that.

Well, maybe we ease back on the warmongering and go back to ensuring global shipping, which countries like China, the most advanced, awesome super goat on the planet, have been able to get rich on because we guarantee their global shipping.

I mean, they created two aircraft carriers.

One of them they put in the ocean and it can't launch any planes.

The other one sunk the minute they put it in the water.

Their technology is not able to duplicate what we do unless they steal it from us.

And this idea that they're living in 2075 is nuts.

And the idea that we can't do the same, what we have is a motivation problem.

What we have is an entitlement problem.

We have people that are advocating that, don't worry, we could just send everyone to the gulag and give you their shit.

We have people advocating for things that are absolutely berserk and have never worked in the history of man, will never work in the history of man, and always lead to the same thing, starvation, death, and unhappiness.

What we can do is we can unleash the power of American innovation.

We can start figuring out how to get rid of the different levels of cronyism by passing laws diversifying more companies.

And what we can do is we can start making the same type of investments into our country as we have been.

He says he wants to get rid of the debt.

I'm actually okay with getting rid of some of the debt and just saying, fuck it, because there's a lot of things we owe to ourselves.

So there's a lot of programs that we can just get rid of because we can't afford to pay ourselves back for what they are.

We can develop new market-based systems that are going to actually advance the wealth of this country, advance the manufacturing base of this country, and are actually going to stop all the illegal immigrants, which, by the way, that's like the excellent slogan for capitalism is like America, 200 illegal immigrants, 20 million illegal immigrants can't be wrong.

Like no one's rushing to get into China.

No one's rushing to get into fucking Vietnam.

They don't let them in.

Oh, why don't they let them in?

Because China has way stricter border control and policies than we do.

And the reason we have these workers, by the way, is because we're paying them dirt.

On the cheap, and we've devastated their homelands and cooed their governments that showed any kind of promise for improvement.

And they come here out of desperation instead of their own countries being developed because we've sabotaged them because the military-industrial complex and the CIA because the military-industrial and the banksters.

No, wait, wait.

So, again, I don't believe this system of control where I love how you say it's not coercion.

I mean, that's all government can do is coerce.

They're getting what they want at the point of a gun.

That's literally the definition of coercion.

I don't think that's the right thing.

I know that's the problem.

I don't think the government should dominate the entire economy.

I think the government should dominate.

Dominicans, any industry that matters.

They should dominate the giant industries that only exist thanks to the government.

And meanwhile, the most of the economy.

And the small industries that actually thrive from inventing technologies for these people.

Give it back to we the people.

They're all of a sudden going to keep doing it with no customer.

No, you don't.

Listen, you need to look up how the information economy works.

You don't understand it.

I understand how the information economy works.

An NBA is global economics and study economics just as much as the next guy.

Consumer.

So, no, don't tell me I don't know what I know.

Okay.

Well, you don't know about the information economy works.

I do know exactly how the information economy works, and it only works because of the large people on top.

The large people on top provide the market for all these people.

You keep having this bag of money that appeals and just gives everybody their money.

They're holding us back big time.

They're robbing us.

Technological advancement this world has seen in the last hundred years.

It's thanks to the military and the government.

Yeah, the government and the military.

They created all of it.

We know that.

So, look, so the answer is to use it against our people instead of using it against other people.

Because if we use it against our people, then all of a sudden it's going to be fucking awesome.

Like, because you already said we're going to throw the banking class to the gulag.

And I'm quite sure when the automobile class needs to go to the gulag, they go to.

And I'm quite sure that when the Google class goes, they go too.

Everybody goes to the gulag until you've used the military-industrial complex that you hate to do.

2008, 2008, so many families devastated, so many people driven to alcoholism, suicide, so many people lost their livelihoods.

Who's going to, where's the justice?

There hasn't been justice.

There needs to be justice.

Okay, so now don't make an argument for justice.

Don't make an argument for that a financial crisis that was created that actually we weathered pretty damn good.

So here's no way out of it.

We printed our way out of it anyway.

Look, people started drinking too much.

People wanted to kill themselves because they didn't have enough money.

That's the same thing as starving to death.

Like, no, they lost their entire life.

I'd like to hear both of your opinions about this because 2008 is a good example of where your guys' prescriptions for how to go about that would be vastly different.

And Haas, I know that you're like tongue-in-cheek about the gulags.

I don't, maybe you actually believe that.

No, it's tongue-in-cheek.

The whole point about the gulag is very simple, right?

I'm not scared of gulag.

It's fine.

But the whole point of it is basically that the reason our government isn't working for us is because you have these banksters in control who are sabotaging any attempt for the people to take back control.

They're the ones issuing the directives.

The CIA works for them.

The media works for them.

All the repressive apparatuses have thus far worked for them.

And they need to be disempowered.

And if they resist that and if they try to get in the way of that, they need to be quarantined somewhere so they can't harm and poison and destroy and plunder this country as they have been for so long.

Or if they want to peacefully surrender, that's great too.

But here's the thing: the main point I'm trying to get at here when it comes to what the solution is as far as the direction we need to be going in, it sounds crazy and radical and out of this world.

No, it sounds retarded.

Okay, but it's not even 1% as crazy and retarded as Trump's tariffs.

Trump's tariffs, we don't even know what Trump's tariffs are yet.

He's just announced what he wants to do.

He hasn't announced what he wants to do.

We've gotten a list of tariffs on every single country.

And that is...

That's going to create way more radical change and disruption in this country than anything I'm suggesting.

If you believe that he's doing it because he wants to implement the tariffs, or if you're doing it because you want to implement it.

I'm going to tell you, China's not going to surrender.

They're not going to surrender.

They're not going to bow.

They're not going to be completed.

I think, what is it, 72% of China's economy comes from us?

I'm really afraid of them not surrendering to us.

China controls the entire industrial global supply chains.

Everything passes through them.

Everything.

Everything in the world that's made passes through China.

Okay?

And they are.

Do you remember when the Somali pirates were taking over merchant ships off the coast?

All right.

Well, China's not the Somali pirates.

I can tell you that much.

No, their ships have.

I forgot those ships have magic wings that fly all over the world and that they're able to defend.

China is the most advanced industrial economy in the world.

It is an extremely aircraft carrier in the water and it sank.

They are not the most advanced.

Even if China's military could never come close to the U.S.

military, I keep thinking that, by the way, it's not true.

But even if that was true, China goes down, then we go down, the whole world goes down.

That's how much the whole global economy is tied to China's growth at this point.

Yeah, it's really not.

It just isn't.

All of the industries that we have to go to.

The only reason the world didn't collapse after 2008 is thanks to the fact that China billed the world out with its growth.

Okay.

Yeah, so Holsey, in terms of your prescriptions after 2008, how do you think that they would differ from Haas's and what would you have done?

I don't know if I would have done anything different.

I mean, the massive amount of debt that we took on after 2008 was during COVID.

And I would have said that was a stupid idea to begin with.

So I didn't agree with anything that was done during COVID.

So we're talking about two different times.

After 2008, we went back to, we went to qualitative easing.

Do I think it was the best idea?

It was pretty good.

I mean, housing prices went up.

People were buying houses like crazy.

Homeownership exploded.

This is after the worst housing crisis that the country has ever seen.

And for some reason, we weathered it.

Why does China have an over 90% home ownership rate without that problem that we had in 2008?

Because number one, what they consider a home is a lot different than what I'd consider a home.

No.

And number two, yeah.

No, it's absolutely classified the same way as here on the books.

What?

A apartment in a high-rise in a city is classified as a power.

We call that a condo here.

And yes, it's a form of ownership, even here.

It's called a condo.

Again, so now we're back to eat the bugs and live in the pod.

Like, you get to decide where I live.

No, again, China, what pods?

China, China, people own their home.

It's theirs.

Okay.

It's not a pod.

It's a home.

I thought you said private property didn't exist in China, that they took all those industries and they took away private property.

Private property was evil.

No, I said that.

So now you're telling us that China is not ruled.

I said that China is not ruled by a capitalist class just because it has wealthy people.

I never said that people don't own things in China.

That's ridiculous.

And if you want to define private property on the basis of just owning things, then I'm all for it.

It's just, I don't think that's how Marx defined it.

I don't think that's what it actually meant for communists in history.

No, you're just saying that Mark shouldn't own that the government should own everything that matters and produce everything that matters and give everybody the scrap.

That matters to our nation at scale, not personal belongings.

I'm talking about all of these.

Like China didn't invent Google.

China didn't invent intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Yeah, the U.S.

government invented shit.

The U.S.

government did.

How?

By empowering private industry.

No, private industry came in, basically stole all the inventions of the military and reaped the rewards of it, even though we funded it.

They stole the inventions of the military when they were invented them in the first place.

They stole privated it, privatized it, patented it, and took all the money.

No, we got money.

That just isn't, that's patently untrue.

No, worked for government contracting.

Have you ever worked in government contracts?

Because I did for about nine years.

Study the history of the internet.

Study the history of computing.

Study the history of those who do it.

They all went to open bid.

The government gave them private industry.

Let me ask you a question.

And then private industry developed.

And then they decided to make more investments.

Who invented touch screens?

Who invented touchscreens?

Who invented touch screens?

It was done by a government grant.

In fact, I know the company that was given to it.

So it was the government.

No, it was created by government money, not by government innovation at all.

It was DARPA.

It was the government.

I know who DARPA is, and I know how DARPA works.

In fact, I've submitted dozens of grants to DARPA for companies, and all of them are paying to the government in order to do it.

Listen, you can spin it however, which way you want.

It came off the rebound.

Pay for it is not okay because we don't get to do it ourselves.

So what are you saying?

Those people should have been government employees?

We're paying for it.

What gives them the right to reap the rewards of it privately and we get nothing when we paid for it?

It's crazy.

So we have the rewards.

So we got ripped off.

What do they get out of it then if they do it just on your happy system?

People can be personally rewarded with wealth without creating giant institutions that privately accumulate wealth that must also belong to the country as a whole.

They can have personal wealth, but the wealth I'm talking about.

So how do they get the personal wealth?

Where do they get the personal wealth from?

Just like in China.

They can get it from their hard work and their industriousness and their competence and their skills and whatever.

That's fine.

They can be rewarded for that.

But the problem in our country is that giant institutions of privately accumulated wealth have emerged that actually have political capital and political power.

They bought off all of our politicians.

They rig our whole system.

They can control all the policies, right?

And they did that off of the backs of our work and our money.

Or at least the work and money of the American workers that we're living with.

It was off of our backs and our money.

It was actually off of, it was actually off of private industry that created these things.

No.

By giving them the private sector.

Wait, no.

Am I ever going to get to talk?

This guy's filibusters for hours, and every time he says anything, and then he starts laughing.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Again, you're somehow saying that because we give the money to the private industry to create these things, and then they figure out how to take these things and introduce new systems, new private businesses that now commercialize the technology that was given to the military in a hundred different ways.

Somehow that would be more efficient if they were just given a reward for doing all this, not be able to actually innovate with the technology.

Who funded the RD?

The internet was creating so that the internet was created so that the government could talk to each other.

So the different branches of the military.

Who funded the R D for these technologies?

Who funded the R D?

So again, that's what I, you're literally agreeing with me.

I'm saying you're saying that the R D was funded by us, therefore we own it, and we decide what we do with it after that.

And that the private industry shouldn't be able to do that.

The private industry should not have the right to have the level of independence and control that it has, as if it doesn't owe us, we the people, for because the government is better?

You just said the government.

It's a matter.

Listen, before we talk about who's better and who's competent, let's talk about who owes who what.

Okay.

If I come to you and you are the one who bankrolls something that I do and you get nothing back out of it and I get everything, that's a problem.

It doesn't matter.

Okay, so let's use your example.

If I own a bakery, right?

And someone comes to me and says, I want you to make this new kind of cake.

And I want it to do this.

I want it to do that.

I want to taste this way and look this way.

And I say, okay, that'll cost you.

And I have to pay for it.

Wait, no, wait.

Yeah, I know.

And then you give me the 400 bucks and then you walk away with your cake.

And now I can use the innovation that I made to make this new special cake that you wanted to now make it for other people.

I can now offer specialized services because I never thought about making it before, but I can.

So now all of a sudden I have a business that I can actually make thrive about it.

But you're saying that you, because you suggested the cake that you wanted that you had me make, somehow now owns the idea.

And now my business can't make the cake because only you can.

And then you can decide.

You can maybe give me a reward, but you're going to decide who else.

Your business has to serve the public interest.

It can't just serve some private cartel of crony oligarchs living on some island.

No, it has to serve a cartel of government oligarchs.

No, it has to serve the people.

It has to serve the public interest.

That is the most retarded argument I've ever heard that it has to serve the people.

Apple benefits.

Apple, Microsoft, and Google, and Amazon should all work for the American people.

We pay for everything they own.

And they don't?

They don't?

No, they don't.

They work for themselves and they work for Wall Street and the city of London.

They should be working on it.

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

So you're saying all of the i stuff, all of the computers that run on Microsoft, all of the people that order off of Amazon, they're all doing it because they're coerced by people who are only working for themselves.

No, but all of them.

And that somehow, if the government owned it, that would be so good.

All the technology and infrastructure.

All the technology and infrastructure is thanks to our taxes.

And we pay for it.

They pay for it.

No, they don't.

Yes, they do.

No, they don't.

The American people.

You don't think they buy the planes and pay the fuel?

Oh, the American people pay for the planes that car Amazon shit all over the place.

Why the hell are Americans working 80 hours a week when they are owed so much?

Owed?

Yes, they are.

By who?

By the private plunderers and oligarchs who have stolen the wealth from them.

They're owed?

They went into the situation completely voluntary.

They applied for the job, they got the job, and they're working for a wage they agreed to.

How are they owed something?

When did the American people sign up to create the Federal Reserve?

Did we vote on that?

The government, but it did, which we have a republic we live in a republic.

Why are we being put in debt for something we had nothing to do with?

I have no idea, but you can vote people in.

That'll change it if you want.

No, they will get shot in the head, and all their descendants will be shot in the head if that ever even becomes remotely.

No, but I'm saying your system is better because all the people that would shoot them in the head are going to be put in the gulag, and they're not going to.

And now the new people aren't going to shoot them.

That's much better than being shot in the head.

To be fair, the people.

I'm saying you're going to preemptively put these people in the gulag because they might shoot people in the head who disagree with them.

If Bill Gates is running around on the sidewalk with a vaccine and he's trying to basically attack people with it, he needs to be quarantined.

It's a danger to the public.

Okay.

So there's nothing wrong with it.

It's a preemptive measure to make sure that the public is safe from this Malthusian guy who wants to depopulate us.

We take it.

Didn't the government ask him for the vaccine in the first place?

And I'm not a fan of the vaccine.

Our rotten government is run by these people.

We don't have a, let's stop, let's stop pretending we have a government.

The government is an occupied force.

It's an occupation force for the banks and for the oligarchs and the cronies.

That's what our government is.

It's an occupation entity.

We don't have a real government.

We need our own government.

Buy of and for the people, just like it was intended.

We don't have it.

I don't know.

You know, this morning I had this weird thing happen.

And I'm telling you, this was really strange.

So I look out my window, right?

And there was this truck that pulled up.

And what they did was they took my garbage that I put out on the curb and they put it in the truck and they carted it off.

But they had to do it early.

Thank FDR.

Wait a minute.

Thanks to the Rozo.

Shush, shush, shush.

So after this garbage truck pulled away, right, they had to do it really early because it was scheduled that the same government that we don't have that's occupied was paving my street.

They're paving my street because they came through my neighborhood and they paid for people to upgrade all of our meters so people don't have to come in our houses anymore.

So in doing that, they tore up the street.

So they're repaving it.

Now, these are all, I'm telling, I understand they're occupied by Bill Gates and Zionists and everybody else, but they somehow figured out how to take my garbage, pave my street, and generally make my life a little bit more.

Thanks to the New Deal and FDR, our government is still technically occupied.

So they weren't occupied then.

Let me finish.

Our government is still technically obligated to perform the bare minimum of necessary services befitting of a modern industrial nation.

However, the problem is, is that you...

What services are they not providing?

They're not fixing the fucking roads in Michigan, where I live, for starters.

The infrastructure is in shitty, poor shape all over the country.

You have bridges on the verge of collapsing.

You have trains derailing in East Palestine, Ohio.

So the government is not actually fulfilling up its end of the bargain of actually taking care of its obligations.

It's doing the bare, yeah, the garbage trucks are coming, and we have a bare minimum.

I mean, even some countries and third world countries have that.

It doesn't mean we actually have a real functioning government.

You just said literally we have no government, and you said that we're just an occupied government of oligarchs, yet the basic services that Americans want and demand are generally.

Maybe you're not ever been before, but have you ever heard of Medicaid?

Like, provide health insurance for people to go.

I'm missing the point.

I'm missing the point.

Again, I'm missing the point.

When I say we literally have no government, it's called hyperbole.

It's a thing in literature.

I understand what hyperbole is, but what I'm trying to do.

So what I'm saying, we have no government in the sense.

We have no government in the sense.

We do not have an institution that safeguards our sovereignty as a people.

We have an entity that is controlled, which, yes, still performs the bare minimum of very basic things.

Of course, no one's denying that.

But look at the trajectory that it's on.

If this is a train, where is it headed, right?

It's headed in a direction where it's starting to neglect its basic duties and obligations to us as a people.

Things are starting to be privatized and sold off and given to the private sector.

More and more and more, it's going in a direction which is radically converging from the public interest and into the private interest.

And it has been doing this for decades.

So for decades, we've been headed in this direction.

So the answer is to throw it out completely, put a new government in place that's going to represent the will of the people.

Because after all, the people can be defined as 350 million people who all want the exact same thing.

And you're going to say that somehow that government is going to be good.

The previous one wasn't.

Or the previous one was occupied.

But don't worry because we'll send them to the gulags.

They'll go pay for this.

That's what Lincoln wanted.

Lincoln was going to do that.

Lincoln would agree with me.

Lincoln was one of the worst presidents we've ever had.

Don't use him as a result of that.

I think Lincoln was great.

Lincoln was a great president by foreign.

I would imagine you would think that, but he absolutely wasn't.

We're going to have Lincoln, but take it 100 times farther.

Well, then I'll be able to do it.

All right, cool, guys.

Let's get into some closing statements now.

As much as I've enjoyed this, we have gone over, but it's just been too fun to stop.

I'm going to put a poll in the chat now, which is, does America need Marxism?

At the start, we did a poll, and it was 95% no and 5% yes.

So Haas had a bit of a mountain to climb.

So I'm putting another poll in the chat right now, guys.

Jump over and put your answer in.

Yes or no?

Does America need Marxism?

So with that, Halsey, you're going to start, and Haas, you're going to get the last word.

So Halsey, try to keep it to two, three minutes, or I think before you get to the point.

I don't have much of a closing statement.

My debate spoke for itself.

I think the idea of implementing a radical government-run program that's going to work for the will of the people and somehow be able to bureaucratize the entire country and make everything happy, happy as long as the certain people that we don't like are sent to the gulags has been tried over and over and over and over again throughout the world, and it's failed every time.

It's led to mass death and mass starvation.

And I don't care for the people that like to define capitalism as anything bad in the world that's ever happened is capitalism, but everything that's good is communism.

It just had some bad results that were the result of actually capitalism.

His argument is ridiculous.

I seriously think the majority of the time he was trolling.

I'm not trolling.

I'm just not AOC.

I don't do this thing of teletubbies and happy, happy, fun time.

To really have a revolution, you need to have sacrifice, to really fight for what's right, to have sovereignty, to have freedom, to have independence for the future generations.

I'm not promising people happy, happy, fun time.

I think tough times are ahead, regardless of what happens.

I could literally not exist tomorrow in the blink of an eye.

Really tough, harsh times are coming that are going to test our integrity as a nation.

Marxists have proven the best and most capable of leading a population and a people through inevitably tough times.

In Russia, it was going to be inevitably a tough time because of World War I, because of the collapse of the old system.

China was balkanized.

It was a warlord era.

That's what they called it.

Didn't even have a functioning central state before the communists.

So these are tough times.

And you weather the storm.

That's what proves what you are as a nation.

And we're headed for that as a country.

It's going to test the integrity of what we call the United States of America.

And we need Marxism to be able to weather this storm and get through it and survive it as a nation.

Otherwise, we're going to be balkanized.

We're going to be our country's going to be destroyed.

And we're all going to be.

And it's going to be tested either way.

Are we going to pass the test without Marxism?

I don't think so.

We're going to need some really radical ideas to get past the storm.

That's all I could say.

And we all don't want to be eating poo, right?

All right, guys.

Enough with the.

I said, we all don't want to be eating poo, right?

Exactly.

So in terms of the poll, we had 300 votes and we had, does America need Marxism?

53% yes, 43% no.

So the comrades have come out in force for Haas.

So we do need Marxism, 53%, and we don't need Marxism, 47%.

So we're going to get into some super chats here, guys.

There's a few questions coming in as well.

So last chance, if you guys want to get a super chat in before we wrap this up and Halsey goes over to his Twitter space that he's going to be putting on.

Christian Mitchell, new member, thank you very much.

Jonathan Dinan has been a member for four months.

Thank you very much.

And John Diner says, I'll be a contrarian with this take and make the prediction that Haas will probably win this debate.

Haven't watched either in years, so acting on very old info, but I always remember Haas to be sharp.

And also for five bucks says, going to correct the record, Haas is roughly a Marxist-Leninist think USSR, not modern communism.

Is that correct, Haas?

Yeah.

Well, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't call woke as a modern communism, but yeah, I wouldn't either.

So again, we don't disagree on that.

All right.

Mashiko Dayanagi says, I would like to know why Haas has a Russian flag in Zita while he is a member of American Communist Party.

In my opinion, it's like being a chicken supporting KFC.

I'm doing it to protest the fact that we've lost memory.

We've no longer, we've forgotten what our American flag means.

So every time I see Marco Rubio and all these traitors fly our American flag, it's a complete abomination.

So I'm doing that as a protest until we rediscover the revolutionary principles that founded our country.

You know, we are insulting ourselves by pretending that when Marco Rubio flies our flag, that that's our country.

It's not.

Right.

Donna Porrier for $10 says, keep on bringing the good stuff.

We need it.

Thank you, Donna.

John Donan says Haas is attempting to theory sell on Halsey.

Haz, do you know what theory sell is?

No, I do not.

No.

No, I'm not sure either.

Donna says for $10 for a smoke break or beer or coffee.

Thank you, Donna.

Much appreciated.

John for $5 says LMF, LMAO.

Haas got the W on that one.

I lived in SoCal for a number of years, and homeless do, in fact, eat poo in the street.

So, Haas, we've got a witness to the homeless.

But yeah, I appreciate other people can back me up on this.

Yep.

Donna for five bucks says, I need a Bev break.

I hope you took it, Donna.

Mexican dollars, I'm not sure what that means, but D Dartinez says China is the absolute all-time undefeated goat.

Halsey, would you agree with that?

That China is the goat?

No.

Not at all.

I would agree right now.

John for five bucks says, Blessed is the moderator.

He has kept his patience somehow in this debate.

It was easy.

It was a fun debate to watch, I thought.

Bless the moderator, times two for Donna.

Dartiness says, Halsey Loki changing his mind but feels too dug in into the let's eat poo position.

So, Halsey, did you change your mind about the fact that they're eating bat soup and then and then they're eating poo in America, so it's comparative?

So, I would say that I changed my mind in that I just thought what he was saying was ridiculous.

Like, now I think it's ridiculous, and that he was trolling me for a good time.

No, I'm serious, I'm not trolling.

That's a really scary thought, but okay, that's cool.

No, he did not change my mind during this time.

Go to LA and see it for yourself.

Okay, Isaac Hayes for 15 bucks says, How does Haas feel about excessive work hours for minimum pay in China and why has he not moved there himself?

Um, so for your first question, it's actually a really good point, but I would say that the reason is because China has been focusing for so long on building up and catching up to us that it had such little time to bridge that gap.

We've had hundreds of years to develop.

China has to bridge the gap in a very rapid amount of time.

All I'm saying is that we have the wealth and technology to be able to radically reduce the work hours now.

But I can understand why China had to work so, so hard because they had to so rapidly catch up to us.

Um, and regarding why I haven't moved there myself, well, look, as much as in my country, America, people are eating poop on the street, and as much as everything's decaying and collapsing here, I'm not Chinese, I have no connection to China at all.

I mean, I don't have as much of a connection to this country as other people do.

You know, my parents came here when they were like children, and I was born here and raised here.

But at the end of the day, this is the only country I know.

You know, it's the only all my experiences, everything that I am, it's just this country.

So, as much poor state this country is in, it's still my country, and uh, it's just you know, it's like my family.

If my family's doing poorly and they're they're they're acting badly, I can't have a new family, you know.

So, that's what I would say.

No, you could just deport the one you have to the gulag.

Well, that's more like a creepy step-uncle or something.

Okay, I don't know, some kind of in-law.

I did think before that the idea of quarantining Bill Gates was very ironic, but you know, that would be funny if that did happen.

Just quarantine, you know, gulags.

Um, yeah, Harold Sullivan for 10 bucks says, Haas is offering a new solution to the crisis, Halsey is just offering more capitalism, which isn't working.

Halsey, what would you say about that?

I would like to see the proof that it's not working.

John for five bucks says, Lol Haas viewers rigging the poll.

Haas, did they rig the poll or is this just?

They could have, but I didn't, I did not direct them to do anything.

I don't know.

I don't even know.

That I'll agree with you, and I don't believe you did.

I didn't.

So that was.

I don't believe you did.

So I'm giving you credit for that one.

I don't believe you did.

Well, that's the way I like to look at the polls.

It's just that the numbers don't lie.

You know, the polls are the polls.

Peyton Johnson for five bucks says bootlickers crank so hard to Marxism.

A person's IQ has to be under 70 or they're under 22 years old to think it's a plausible solution to anything.

Haas, harsh words.

They're they're very harsh words, but you know, Peyton, take a trip to China and then see ask people about their IQ.

Compare the I Q of the average person in China to America.

Let's be real here, all right.

Marxism is taken very seriously over there, and over here people don't even know what Marxism is.

Halsey?

I I agree, but

And France for a hundred bucks says I'm a communist and a Marxist and he's redistributing the wealth which is which is what we love to see.

This money doesn't mean much to me, but thanks for hosting the debate.

Good work, Haas.

Thank you very much, France.

I appreciate that generous donation.

Charlie Gautia says Marxism-Leninism for the win.

Amelia for five bucks says the goal of the Great Leap Forward was to catch up the steel production of industrial Britain and that was achieved, not just achieved, but surpassed.

What do you think, Haas?

Was the goal of the Great Leap Forward achieved and surpassed?

It was, yeah, it was with great cost, but yes, it was.

Yep.

Harold Sullivan for five bucks says, Will Halsey join the American Communist Party or will he run to England?

acp.us slash join I have a I have a second amendment right I will oppose the American Communist Party with everything it takes we we support the second amendment you can you can join and you can come to us to the range and we can all you know we can share our we'd share our rifles at the range and and uh you know target practice and shooting and all that stuff we love it we're real americans that doesn't shock me at all but all right star side for eight bucks says i would have preferred more rational sober responses from halsey a lot of his reply was just incredulous hysterics i thought there was some pretty uh rational responses there what do you think halsey i think i did fine i'm not i i thought it was a good debate i i enjoyed myself so yeah i thought it was i thought it was fantastic both of you guys um both of you guys were great to listen to uh hellwecki for 10 bucks says halsey al haz al jakew what a legend for winning this debate without saying much i should have put myself in the in the poll um amelia for five bucks says i don't know what uh about eating the poop on the street but did anyone catch the viral video of the homeless guy who was roasting a rat that went viral recently i did see that roasting the rat did you see that halsey i saw it but from what i was told because i i was actually sharing it around for a while and i got a couple of like messages that it was it was ai so i don't know if it's i don't know if it's actually real and has did you see that i i didn't but it doesn't surprise me you know how lower can you go than eating rats is a step up actually it's uh it's like a nice bougie meal compared to yeah compared to the poo um nrj for 20 bucks says marxism marxist leninism is the future as as that sci as that is science archaic capitalism is dead uh would you agree with that has yeah

Holsey?

Are you sure that or not?

All right.

And the last one here, as far as I can see, is from Sankaras Renault for $10 says, as the you Ganden guy said, why eat the poo-poo?

I haven't seen it.

They eat the poo-poo.

I haven't seen it either.

They eat the poo-poo.

They eat the poo-poo.

All right.

Well, fellas, I really appreciate this.

Like we said, Halsey, are you going to be that space is going to be hosted by a friend of yours, and you're going to be in there.

So if anybody wants to see that space, it's going to be below.

All of Haas's details are below his Twitter and his YouTube.

Same with Halsey, Twitter, and YouTube.

And you guys can go check out all of their work below.

I want to say thank you very much, fellas.

Haas, great to have you back on the channel.

It's been a little while since we've done anything, but good to see you, man.

Thank you, Jake.

I hope it was not too crazy for you.

I hope everyone had a good time.

I hope it was good, right?

Was it everything good?

Yeah, no, it was good.

I really enjoyed it.

And then Halsey, first time on the channel, but we've connected a bunch on Twitter, man.

So it's good to finally have you on for a debate.

Love to do another one.

And Haas, I'll give an open invitation.

If you want to do another one, we can absolutely do it.

Sure, yeah.

I'm not against it.

Yeah.

All right, fellas.

Well, I'm going to remove you guys both now, and you can head over to that Twitter space if you want.

But thank you again.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Take care.

Take care.

See you later.

Alrighty.

Uh

One second, let me get back to my studio.

By the way, this is a real studio.

You know, I just use AI for my video, but this is where I actually am.

Young Soviet, what's up?

I actually live here.

This is like where I really get my work done.

But I need to put my AI on because this is technology, it's not allowed in the US.

So I have to use AI to pretend I'm just in some room.

So there we go.

AI is back on.

But that was a debate I did not prepare for.

I've been very, very busy cooking.

You know, I'm cooking.

I'm cooking big time.

Um but you know it's nice that we are here and we have this stream.

going.

Uh it was it was um

Now, you may say, why did you not take that debate seriously?

Because I think about this a lot.

I think about I don't want to contribute to content that I would not watch myself.

And the truth is, the majority of content is really fucking boring.

And I want to have a good time because I've been very serious and locked in for the past few days.

So, yeah, but I think I got my point across pretty well.

I think that the poop thing was a nuke.

At that point, it was over.

That was the that was the that was the that was the final thing.

There's no coming back from it.

That was a nuclear bomb, right?

And um

Basically, why do I have the audacity to be this confident now?

Because we are now in the Trump tariff era.

Anything goes.

Working one hour a day, that's not crazy.

We're living in a crazy time.

You think I'm the crazy guy?

Look around.

Okay?

By the way, Trump is tariffing the entire world, including uninhabited islands, and all of US allies.

Macron woke up.

They all wo Germany woke up.

Lithuania woke up.

Israel woke up.

And Trump

He slapped it on them all.

Okay?

And this is our time.

All right.

I told you this year was going to be a year of class struggle.

And it is.

And it's and there are so many interesting debates I'm seeing in the disc.

The discourse is everything's moving in our direction, the one we want.

Because now I'm seeing leftists start decrying the notion.

That American workers have to actually produce the things we consume.

They're like, oh my god, uh instead of me being in a human resources user Tom, what's up, man?

Instead of me being in human resources, we're gonna have to go to the factories and make socks?

Yes!

Real jobs, all the fake shit is being nuked.

Only real jobs.

I mean the we won the debate, it's over.

Because there's no fucking way for a leftist to argue against the destruction of the fire sector and the service sector and the argument we should make it ourselves because they want to exploit the the third world.

That's the truth.

They want to exploit the third world while they sit on their fucking laptops pretending like they're workers 'cause they're fucking working on their fucking keyboards and they're saying they're the proletarians.

The real proletarian work is coming.

And that's dignity.

And that's going to restore labor to this country.

We're gonna go from putting the fries in the bag to putting the socks in the bag.

And anyone who's complaining about it wants to exploit the third world.

And and and they need to be turned into a tire.

We're gonna we're gonna we're ramping up tire production.

100% all-American tire manufacturing.

We're taking the MAGA revolution way farther than Trump.

Just know that.

And look, this Trump tariff thing, it's a class war because they're trying to screw over the American worker by screwing over the pension funds on Wall Street, looting the pension funds, just like Michael Hudson said, and all of it going to the stock brokerage firms.

Okay?

So we need to fight.

The revolution is here.

Now who will win this revolution?

We have to...

This is the difference between us and our enemies.

The MAGA revolution is here.

So either the capitalists will win or the workers will win.

It will come out supreme.

But the revolution will not be reversed.

Amila with the 10.

The revolution is not going to be reversed.

The revolution will move only forward.

Only forward.

There's no way to reverse it.

The revolution is here.

So either it's going to be a workers' revolution or it's going to be the oligarchs' revolution.

And we're going to fight.

That ba that's where the battlefield's going to happen.

All these dumb lip duards who are trying to be counter revolutionaries, who are trying to reverse everything that's happening.

They're wasting your time.

The reactionaries.

MF, what's up?

The Liptard reactionaries, they have hands-off protests now.

The hands-off protests, they're saying hands-off NATO.

Fuck NATO!

Fuck NATO and fuck Europe!

And if you're in Europe and you get offended by this,

JK, what's up?

then you need to realize that anti-European sentiment in this country contributes to your independence.

Unless you want to be America's bitch for the rest of your life, let us cook and let us say fuck Europe.

And you say fuck America, we say fuck Europe.

Let China say fuck America.

See, in China

They will not bow.

Trump is trying to bully them.

That's his strategy.

China will say no, we're not going to cave, we're not going to bow, and they're going to become even more independent.

And meanwhile, we have the opportunity in this country to take the reins of power and become more independent.

And that's good for China and it's good for America.

Xi Jinping.

And George Washington shaking hands.

That's what this revolution's good is.

The only people who lose from this.

Are the compradour, comprador classes of both nations?

Burr, what's going on?

The Chinese Patriots are cheering this on.

Xi Jinping benefits big time.

Free the world from America.

Free America from the world.

That's what this is.

Everyone's panicking and scared.

We have been telling you what's going to happen for five years.

For five years, we've been telling you what's going to happen.

Nobody took us seriously because Haas is the crazy guy.

is I'm the crazy guy, right?

And who's who's the sane one?

Who's the sane one?

I'm crazy.

What's sane?

You tell me who's sane.

Look at what turn on the fucking news.

I'm the crazy guy.

I've been telling you the same shit for five years.

Everyone's now awakening to the, oh, China's way more advanced.

What have I been telling you for years, for five years, suffering because of it?

Who's saying Hussein?

Who said Hussein?

I said, Tell me who is Saint?

Not Saddam Hussein.

And retards?

Everybody's just waking up to what we've said.

I mean, I I could go in a cryo chamber, do nothing, wake up, and everything I I've been saying, I'll just be I'll win.

All my enemies will be wiped out, I have new enemies, you know.

But you know

But you know, it makes you think something.

Why the fuck?

And let me swear and be unprofessional about this.

This is our moment.

So you tell me why the fuck we are not recruiting hundreds of people a day in our party, into the reserve.

Why is it so difficult?

For people to go out and recruit, I'll tell you why, because they're not fucking doing it.

They're not doing it.

Why?

What's the excuse?

This is our moment.

You should be going.

Mean at le one person, ten people, bring them into the party.

Should be easy, quick work.

Nobody is optimistic except us.

Remember that.

Nobody is optimistic about the direction of world history in America except us.

Everyone's panicking.

Oh, the terror's We are the only ones embracing the revolution.

Even Trump himself is scared of what he created.

We're the only ones embracing this revolution.

We're the only ones.

We're the only ones making sense of what's happening.

And I'll tell you what's happening.

The Unipolar World System.

is collapsing.

Dollar hegemony is collapsing.

Super imperialism, the system of super imperialism, it's collapsing from within.

From a momentum and a sentiment that's coming from within.

The American worker doesn't want to just be a consumer.

They want their dignity, livelihood, and jobs back.

That

That need that comes from our own people will blow up the global system of super imperialism, blow it up, because you can't have both.

You can't have American empire and American dignity and prosperity.

Free the world from America, free America from the world.

You guys need to understand, read the room, seize the fucking moment.

Talk about chapter enterprises.

Why don't you start thinking about factories?

This is a business opportunity.

For our party

To come out on top big time, we need to build our own hegemony and resources, exploit every opportunity and advantage that comes our way.

This is our moment, ours for us.

You're not fired up, you're not hyped up, you don't see what's going on, you're an idiot.

I mean, this is what we've been waiting for for a long time, and it's happening.

The whole everything is collapsing and disrupting.

It's insanity.

This is for us.

This is what we foresaw.

Mad Beach with the five for a long time.

For a long, long time, we did.

No one else

No one else.

Strail is saying he was lying about a lot of things.

I didn't fact check him.

I didn't fact check it.

For example, Volkwalter shared in the chat, he goes, Well, actually, the EO men were 63% of the Continental Congress or something after the war, something like that.

So, you know what?

Don't even want to hear it.

The idea that this country wasn't founded upon revolutionary principles, it's ridiculous.

You go to the fucking backwoods in Appalachia and you'll find people.

My great-great-granddaddy took up the musket with the beaver hat, and they took up that musket and they were fighting guerrilla war.

I mean, they sound like Hamas.

And they're like, we're going to do it again.

If things keep going the way, we're going to do it again.

So that's this country, all right?

The the the Revolutionary War, that was literally Hamas Hezbollah.

Type of shit.

Alright?

They had the raccoon hats.

By the way, we need to.

Should we bring it back?

I don't know.

They had those raccoon hats.

You know, they they th they had their their their ramshackle

You know, carriages and whatever they were fucking doing.

They were wearing rags.

They had a musket.

They were going in the woods and slaughtering the fucking occupation soldiers.

The Davey Crockett Hats.

You know, they were they were hunting the Tories.

And that's what this that's what created this country.

The whole the only reason there's a USA is cu you know we've forgotten what the USA is.

This is not supposed to be a cringe, retarded, anglo-liberal country.

This is supposed to be a bizarre country.

Let me show you something.

You know what our white you know, logo has this idea, he calls it the Second Republic aesthetic.

We were literally like an Oriental society.

We had the Moore Society.

People were wearing the Ottoman Fez hats.

There was so much mystique and there was so much Oriental grandeur.

And it was so, like, let me just show you.

Let me just show you, you know, like, this is what the White House used to look like.

All right.

Look at this.

Look at this.

I mean, look look at this.

This is like the Haas aesthetic.

This is like a barbaric.

Very barbaric, Oriental.

This is m this is I thought this is just me, a foreigner.

And then lo and behold, I look at the history of this country in the Second Republic right after the Civil War.

And we were becoming an Oriental despotic state.

And then the British came and made us retarded and cringe.

And this was all lost, a lost, a lost dream of this country.

We were literally becoming the Safavid Empire, okay?

And we need to go back to that.

We need to go back to that.

And I'm bringing us back to that.

You know, it's my whole purpose here.

This country is supposed to be like nothing in the world.

It's not supposed to be some CIA.

We're protecting democracy.

Shut the fuck up.

This is a country built on dreams, built on

Strangeness

Like nothing in the world.

And uh we're going back to that.

We're going back.

That's what MAGA means.

Make America great again means we're going back to the Orientalism.

We're going back to how it was before.

We're not go we're not doing this Europe Fuck Europe Fuck Europe Europe fuck off Latvia fuck off Estonia fuck off NATO fuck off

Europe, leave us alone, Britain, leave us alone, Australians, leave us alone, New Zealand, leave us alone.

Canada

Join America and leave Europe.

Pick a damn side, you don't have a choice, this is America, not Europe.

One nation.

No British crown on American soil.

And I believe we need a special military operation where we have navy seals break into the Buckingham Palace, round up the British royal family and bring them to justice for all the crimes of the British Empire.

You know, we were all lied to.

Instead of hunting Saddam Hussein, we needed to be hunting the British queen.

She would have been hiding in her demonic child sacrificing cellars under her palace.

We needed to dig that up.

We should have, you know, the whole history of instead of invading Vietnam.

You know.

We should have

Invaded Wall Street.

everything was topsy turvy, the opposite of what it should be.

Okay, the instead of the Gulf War, we should have had the British Isles War, right?

We should have treated the Queen like Saddam Hussein.

And while she's hiding in a bunker, we we have like special forces search on the search.

And um yeah, we need a two thousand percent tariff on England.

Australia, we need to send not just tariffs, but ICBMs, hypersonic missiles.

Because the meddling that comes from Australia on our internet, on our airwaves, it's like, you know, when the Democrats were talking about Russian disinformation and kind of treating that like a military threat, we should do that to Australia and Australians who are meddling in our affairs on social media, taking up our airwaves.

They're assaulting our information networks.

And it's a military attack.

It's an invasion.

And it needs to stop.

I've never met an American who takes an excessive interest in Australians' business.

But Australians can't shut the fuck up about us and our business 'cause they think they own us.

Wait, the i I think that guy, Ra uh Jake was Australian, so I guess he's okay 'cause he h he hosted the debate.

I'm not talking about him.

But um no I have I have other people in mind actually.

But um

I don't care about Europe.

Europe needs to leave us alone.

Okay?

Um.

You know i Europe

Europe is has always thought there was this thing called the free world, the Western world, and we are not part of that.

We are part of a different world, okay?

We're part of a world that's more similar to Russia, more similar to China, more similar to Persia.

We're not part of this so-called Western world where the Greeks are raping children from ancient Greece.

We're not, that's not what we're doing, okay?

Um

We are part of the world of grand empires, the Persian Empire.

Okay.

And no more of these fucking stupid statues and all this nonsense.

Um.

And we are on our own as a country, you know?

There none no no more of these parasites of the free world on a Latvian s do you remember under Biden, NAFO, do you remember that?

Our taxes, our money, our military.

They were repping that shit.

They were repping and flexing our shit.

and calling for Biden to persecute and round us up, Americans.

We had fucking Estonians doing that with NAFO profile pictures.

We need to go to Estonia

And figure out who is targeting US citizens.

I remember

I remember the the the the f the the the cruel Biden regime.

Where fucking foreigners had more rights in this country that came from Europe than we did.

I got banned from Twitch and these fucking Europeans run free.

Twitch would not exist without my tax dollars.

I own Twitch.

I own Amazon.

We own Amazon.

Audit the government.

They owe everything to us.

And yet they banned me, took away my First Amendment rights, who gave them the right to do that?

I can I could go to the Twitch HQ with a signed document detailing mathematically why I own them.

Why we the people own them, and the First Amendment must apply, and they'll kick me out.

Honestly British behaviour British red coat behaviour

You know, the next stage of this, right?

We need to start being more entitled as a people.

All right.

We need to start going to Walmart and saying, you know what?

I own this establishment.

This is mine.

We need to start we need to take a we need to have a Karen revolution, but instead of harassing the employees.

We harass the owners, the so-called owners.

We need to go

To the Ford plants and stuff, we need to start saying, This is mine.

You know, who pays for this?

I do.

The CEOs need to know that we pay for their existence, they're welfare queens, we own them.

You know, as CEO on a yacht, we need to just go on the yacht ourselves.

Hey, this is my yacht now.

I own it.

Every airline we own.

So when they tell you on the airline.

You know when they say, oh, you have to put your seat up.

You know, I get on the airplane.

And I put my I wanna go to bed right away, I put my seat back.

No, no, no, keep your seat up until we're forty-five minutes in the air.

I own this fucking plane.

It would not exist without my taxes.

You don't get to invent these stupid fucking rules.

I am the manager.

I own this.

So you keep the seat back and you use the whatever iPad, everything.

And y yeah, you recline both on the takeoff and the landing.

I shouldn't have to suffer with a with my seat, you know, tilted for it's not even that the seats are straight, they're tilted forward to make you bow before fucking Boeing.

You're bowing before the fucking Wall Street.

You can't sit back 'cause no, that's too no, I'm a king, I own this, I'm s reclining back.

Take off and landing.

We need to be more entitled, we own it, it's ours.

They work for us, all of 'em.

You know, it's the truth.

You go to a McDonald's, you pull up.

You know, I just want to remind you, uh I own this and you just drive off.

Just want to remind you, this is mine.

Well, you don't tell the employees that 'cause they have nothing to do with it.

But uh there needs to be an entitlement.

Level that goes up, you know, all these con the conservative, you know, the Americans are so entitled.

No, we're not entitled enough, we're being ripped off and scammed.

All the rhetoric Trump uses, we need to steal that and apply it to our own country because we're being ripped off and scammed.

They're scamming us.

Big time.

We need to be like sovereign citizens, but not libertarians, but communist.

Like, actually, we own this.

On the books, a letter of the law says We own it.

America has a lot to learn from Europe.

America doesn't have a fucking single thing to Euro to learn from Europe.

Not a single thing we have to learn from Europe.

We don't need to wear scarves and cross our legs at a cafe.

We don't need to learn that.

There's nothing from Europe we can learn from.

Nothing.

Europe needs to leave us alone, we need to leave them alone.

We go our own way.

Free America, free the world.

IKEA is disgusting.

IKEA is disgusting.

IKEA is disgusting.

IKEA is is uh i living in the pod and eating the bugs.

It's disgusting.

You know, instead of IKEA, we every American home should look like this.

This is what the American home should look like.

Not IKEA.

You know, rugs on the walls, all everything.

We're not doing this disgusting, filthy.

IKEA.

And you go to IKEA's cafeteria, it's an insult to humanity itself.

What they do to make this food, they get a they get a special paste and they they squeeze it out on a plate, they put it in a microphone a microwave, and and it turns into something that looks like it's the most bland, disgusting food in the world.

American cities need to make gra appreciation for history and culture.

Yeah, that's why we should go to China and Russia and Persia to learn about culture.

Europe can can stay and and and and be you know.

Be itself, we have nothing to learn from Europe, all right?

Uh, you know, I don't these trad accounts that are like, Look at this big cathedral that was built in fifteen twenty-four by the Venetian bankers, and that's sculpture.

Shut that's LARP.

That's LARP.

We're n- we don't need to learn anything from that.

We need to learn from the Ottoman Empire.

You know, we have more in common with Japan than Europe.

We are way more of a Japanese culture than a European culture, much more.

And, you know, I don't want to get into it, but you know, the Renaissance, it was all stolen on the Silk Road.

It was all stolen from the Byzantines, from the, you know, the Chinese, everything.

So let's just be honest about the truth.

Yeah, and the Morse and the Crusaders went to the Middle East and they they they learned about civilization, they brought it back.

That's the truth.

You know, Europe Europe had France.

I'll give them that.

France was a great kingdom and a great civilization.

They had that.

You know, it was it was a grand thing.

But uh beyond that

There needs to be dialogue in our West.

What do you want?

We're already Marxists.

We took everything we needed from Europe.

What is Europe producing now?

I mean, the last thing good they did was France.

Again, there's kind of a pattern.

But still, France gave us Lacan and they gave us Deleuze and they gave us the French school.

And hey, there's Nick Land.

I'll give you that.

Nick Land and the CCRU.

And that was great.

And that's it, that was the end.

In the modern era, the last thing they gave the world, that was it.

They gave us the French school and then they gave us Nick Land.

And the C C R U what else?

Yeah, it's a

Harry, you know, that's the thing.

Uh, Harry Potter.

Again, this is poison, this is f this is filth.

You guys are talking about people from the past.

I'm talking about now.

To contemporary Europe today, I'm not talking about from 200 years ago.

I'm talking about today.

Okay.

Boris Groys came from Russia, as far as I know.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I don't remember.

Shit.

Fascinating.

Hmm.

Very strange.

Very strange.

Um, hmm.

Alright, anyway guys, um

So Friday I

Um

I decided I'd uh to go see the Minecraft movie with family.

And um

I didn't know about the trend where like people yell and stuff and disrupt it, but uh that did happen and I I I I was very uncomfortable and and and we left actually.

We left the movie thirty minutes in.

So 30 minutes in, we left.

We got up and left.

And I d you know, it's that's on me because um

I I kind of grew up with Minecraft a little bit, you know.

I think it came out when I was in middle school.

I don't remember.

And uh, or or freshman year, I don't remember.

But anyway, um.

You know, I have memories playing my, you know, I just, this, let's go see it.

And then 30 minutes in, we got up and left.

Not angry, not upset, but I just kind of realized, like, you know, I am not the, this is not for me.

I'm a grown man who's 28 years old and I felt very out of place and it was just very uncomfortable because I was just like, I don't know what this is, but it's not meant for me.

So I should probably just leave because I don't know what I'm doing here, honestly.

It was kind of like a moment, like, what am I doing here?

kind of thing.

Um

The movie was very um

Clearly not made for people like me.

Um, you know, just very um.

I I just very cringe, honestly.

I just I don't you know, I don't I don't know what's going on.

Uh

It was made for children.

I I could tell.

That's why I wasn't upset.

And I left because I but I left because I was just very much unbearable, even like in an ironic way.

I was just like, I this is not room for

Um, Jack Black.

I don't understand it.

Maybe the children understand this movie.

I don't understand it.

I don't know why Jack Black was what he was doing in that movie or what the purpose was.

I don't get it.

Like, for example, the Lava Chicken song.

I didn't understand that.

I think that's when we actually left.

Was he when he did the lava chicken song?

We straight up just got up and left the theater after that.

I'm not even kidding.

Um

I don't know what that was or what the strategy wa I mean, like what was the idea for that?

I don't know, I don't know.

It it's I'm too old, you know.

Um

Najibullah, what is

What are we talking about?

Mm-hmm.

Let the kids have their fun sure.

That's why I I I didn't I'm not angry about it.

I just it's my fault for go having I I saw it with family, you know, we we

grew up playing that game so we thought you know maybe it would be uh fun to watch it but we just it's just

Very strange experience.

Um

So that I have that to report.

Um

Beyond everything else, of course, uh

I'm hard at work cooking.

I don't know what else to say.

I'm hard at work cooking.

You know, you want to know something funny?

A lot of people got pissed off by my Trump tweets.

I think I had a big unfollowing over the past two days over the tariff tweets.

I think I lost like two hundred followers.

I don't know I don't know why though, because I'm looking at my analytics and it's it's not saying that.

But I assume it's the bunch of like bricks bitcoin scammers who are speculating on the stock market and lost big time and are fucking really losing their shit angry.

And see what I said?

Oh, they did a bop purge and other people have okay, th that's good to hear actually.

Because I don't know if everyone.

Oh, yeah, it's good.

That's good.

It's good.

Glad to hear it.

Everyone lost, yeah.

I just assume maybe people were upset about what I was saying, but the reason I didn't have a problem saying what I said is because although Americans are gonna suffer from this, they're already suffering big time and

You know

It's just that that that suffering is not being felt at the top, and now it kinda feels like it is a little at least.

And I have I'm not I'm not trying to declare war against day traders, but this country needs a fucking wake-up call because the actual workers.

Day in and day out, working like real jobs.

I'm not even just talking about blue-collar jobs, even service workers.

Like, they have been suffering in silence with no dreams, with no hope.

And these people day trading who think they can beat the market, again, I'm not a g I sympathize because they're trying to find a way out, but like, we need to have a wake-up call.

You're not gonna get rich off the fucking stock market.

We need to all come together as a working class and and and and uh the

Figure it out that way.

And meanwhile the the the the Wall Street people, you know, and Michael Hudson said something interesting, he said the very top is not losing.

Ah, the pension funds got big it got hit big, but but here's the thing, in the short term they're not losing, in the long term the capitalist class is going to suffer 'cause of these tariffs, just like the rest of us.

And um

You know, the professional managerials are also going to suffer because they don't want to work in factories, they don't want to work.

Uh with their hands.

And so it's a class war going on.

Should we be a country that's that only has the option of you work in a coffee shop or you work in to be a doctor or something?

What about the worker?

See, this country is going to rapidly reproletarianize.

It's a term that Noah and the Midwestern Marx guys termed.

It's going to happen, and then the worker needs to be the center, the subject.

And that hasn't happened because a huge portion of the population has diverged from that into distractions.

Now everyone needs to come back.

Proletarianize and the and is that gonna be good?

No, people might be working in sweatshops, it could be terrible, but that is what it what it that's what it's gonna take for the worker to be the subject again.

That way everyone has skin in the game and we all

Win back l the rights of labor together.

That can't happen when large portions of the population are being weaponized against labor in the way that they are.

Like we go to try to unionize the truckers and you've got all these social parasites

And lumpin uh attacking us on it.

We can't have that.

They everyone needs to be sent to the factory so we're all in the same boat.

Why would Trump do this?

Sometimes when I look at the camera

You can tell I'm a little fucking crazy, right?

Like, I have some screws loose.

There's a there's a there is an insanity that goes, it's a fire, you know?

And I want to think that Trump also has that.

I want to believe he does.

I want to believe he's actually crazy.

I don't know if he is or if he's if there's an agenda here.

But sometimes I think he's really c like how he's talked to Netanyahu the other day.

I told Jackson about it.

I said, Jackson, what is this, man?

We don't know what's going on.

Look what he look how he talked to Net and Yahoo.

Um

What is this?

I was shocked.

First of all, look at Netanyahu's face and tell me: am I the only one seeing this?

I don't know.

I don't know what's going on.

On where?

On Israeli goods.

And he said he's probably not going to lower the tariffs on them.

All the Zionists are coming out against the tariffs.

Ben Shapiro just did a whole fucking hit piece on them.

Trump is doing like it's coming from his head, it seems like.

I don't know.

Well, we're talking about a whole new trade.

Maybe not.

Maybe not.

Don't forget, we help Israel a lot.

You know, we give Israel $4 billion a year.

That's a lot.

Congratulations, by the way.

That's pretty good.

But we give Israel billion.

Look at his face.

What is that?

Ha ha ha.

Do you do you understand?

Like I've never seen a US president say that.

I've never seen this like, yeah, you know, we're helping you and you fucking owe us, is what he just said.

He said, Congratulations.

Is he crazy?

I don't know.

Maybe he's actually crazy.

If he is crazy, we win big time.

That's not that he's going to come to our side.

It's that, Max, what's up?

Look.

Insanity.

When there's a guy in power who's crazy, it always benefits the cause of the revolution.

Because that guy is fucking up a lot of things and he's causing chaos.

It's the truth.

Like Rasputin, the insanity of Rasputin.

It it helps the revolution.

This guy, I feel like he's gonna snap one day.

I don't know.

Ev I we think Trump is on a leash, and it seems like he is.

Like, he's clearly on a leash.

He's bombing Yemen and bragging about it.

He's talking about war with Iran.

He's all these forces, these neocons, all these people, they're clearly like driving a lot of policy.

But why does Trump swerve?

Why does he always have this crazy look where he swerves unexpectedly?

No one knows what he's doing.

And they all have to do damage control.

Like, this guy, he's got an insanity.

He's got an element of insanity that reflects the insanity of the US Empire right now.

And it's like the tariff thing, I could be wrong.

But I think this guy

Is off the leash.

Well look, here's the thing with Iran, why are we doing negotiations in Oman?

Behind Israel's back.

Did you know that?

Apparently, the negotiations in Oman with Iran.

Netanyahu didn't know about that, he was wasn't briefed about it.

And he seems a little nervous about that.

Because Trump, I don't know, maybe he wants a deal.

Yeah, look at his face when he talked about it.

I don't know.

I could be wrong about everything.

I'm not saying I know the inner workings.

I'm just saying we should be open to the idea.

Hudson, yeah, who said that it would it would relieve the tax burden on the ultra-rich.

But if I may

Isn't it?

The middle classes, quote unquote, or more specifically the the the

You know, whatever the Midwest

Blue collar working class, let's just be honest.

Who want to get rid of the income tax the most?

Because remember Trump's tax cuts for the rich that happened in term one?

They went to Wall Street and asked them is this what you want?

They said no.

The major corporations apparently did not want this.

I could be wrong about that.

But sometimes I think that's a populist move he does to appease a more mass base.

Not necessarily the top one percent who doesn't really pay taxes anyway.

The top one percent have loopholes.

They don't really pay taxes.

People making under 200K get the tax burden without benefits.

It's so fucking true.

I mean, taxes fuck the working class more than anyone.

It's the truth.

It's the truth.

I mean, they plunder the American worker with taxes.

Grant, what's up?

You know something Trump did that I can't stand is that gold card bullshit.

I mean it's cheapening the meaning of citizenship.

And it's disgusting.

It's disgusting.

Um and if they could give citizenship to a bunch of rich foreigners, they could take it from honest, hard hardworking Americans.

by the same logic they could take it away, and there needs to be a lot of vigilance.

I don't like the idea of a bunch of fucking foreign tethers coming into this country with a gold card just 'cause they're wealthy.

So they can advocate for their parasitic.

Traitor, 'cause these are traders.

Our country doesn't need more traders.

We don't want the traders.

who betrayed their own countries in China and Russia to be flooding this country and spreading their disgusting filthy poison to make us

Harm the perceptions of their homelands.

I dislike traders.

And I hate the gold cards because they give traders citizenship.

They give the bourgeoisie of other countries citizenship.

To our country.

And I think that's disgusting.

You know how many

You have no idea.

I come from communist Poland.

I come from Communist Romania.

We had to flee that country.

Thank God.

The Statue of Liberty on Ellis Island.

God bless the USA saving me from the Communist tyranny.

And the guy was like a fucking

corrupt government official from the regime, who fled as a traitor.

I come to America for a better life against the communist tyranny.

I come from Romania and Poland and I come to flee the the the the you know the the the the tyranny of the communist I don't know what to tell you I came to free God bless America

Thank you, USA, you are my best friend, you are the peacemaker, you are the legend.

We don't fucking need more of those people.

Deport them.

Thank you, U S A You are my best friend You have rescued me You are the legend

They come and they start spreading poison.

I need to tell you the dangers of communism.

I come from communist country, I fled to land of opportunity, and I so glad I am here in the Statue of Liberty.

Where in America everything is freedom, freedom!

Get the fuck out of here.

That's what is beautiful about America, it is freedom instead of the communism, just like Ronald Reagan said, it is a statue of liberty, freedom.

No, America is seventeen seventy six.

Davy Crockett hat with muskets.

Fighting the Redcoats.

Kicking out the occupation.

That's what America is, right?

A republic by for and of the people.

And Ronald Reagan was a pedophile, colluder, friends with Margaret Pedo Thatcher.

All the Epstein shit originated from that filthy time.

Where Jimmy Saville and Margaret Thatcher were kidnapping children, and Reagan was too.

And they were taking them to the islands and they were tying them up and all this sick, twisted shit they were doing.

Fuck Ronald Hollywood Reagan pedophile

He turned America into a fucking brand.

See, they stopped respecting the US flag.

Now they wear the US flag on their pants.

It's literally an insult.

Thanks to Reagan.

He's the one who created the super patriotism.

They used to respect the flag in a solemn way, and they would say, it's our heritage, it's our tradition, it's our.

It's our state.

Now they they have Amer they wear it on their underwear.

It's a disgrace.

That's where yeah, he turned it into a fucking theme park.

Reagan, he turned America into a theme park for foreigners from Romania and Poland to come.

Thank you, USA.

It is Disneyland.

Everything is themed for the freedom land.

Like, they turned it into some bullshit.

Yeah, they come here and they they tell us we can't have health care, we can't do this, we can't do that, because I fled that from Romania.

Nobody gives a fuck.

I tell the truth and they persecute me.

You're not sure you're a viable canon, acp.us slash join.

Literally just join.

Literally just join.

What the fuck else are you doing?

I have a headache 'cause of too much coffee.

Ah, you know what?

You know why today was so fun?

'Cause I had coffee.

I need to have coffee more often for debates and for things.

I I just have so much energy and it's so jovial, it's such a nice time.

I had coffee, that's why.

I had Yemeni coffee.

Traditional Yemeni coffee, very good with honey.

And it's excellent.

Yeah, the Polish guy who yelled at me during the uh when I was doing the MAGA Communism 2 video.

I might release the footage for that, but the problem is that I was very chunky.

I weighed 200 pounds, and I look at myself in that footage and I think, wow, I was quite the unit.

But I'll think I'll try one day I'll edit it and release it for post hawk.

But I was very big at that time.

Um

But uh I uh yes.

But yeah, some fucking like Polish guy was yelling at me 'cause I was wearing the ACP hat two years before our party or one year before our party launched by the way.

I was wearing our hat.

And I had the hat before and I was wearing it.

Joe Biden, Communist China, Joe Biden, China Yeah, j go to Joe Biden Communist China, Joe Get the fuck out of my country.

Fucking retard, like a pigeon, wouldn't shut the fuck up, not even loyal to MAGA.

loyal to whatever stupid fucking Republican nonsense only.

No, I we didn't film that.

We didn't film that guy

yelling like a f badgering pigeon.

But it was really obnoxious.

You know, the the victims of communism memorial.

I don't advocate for vandalism at all.

I'm really against it.

But you wanna know how I know twenty twenty was a color revolution?

Why were people blowing up target or setting targets on fire and McDonalds on fire, but not the victims of communism memorial stuff?

Like

That's how you tell it was led by a bunch of fucking Liptard um Color Revolution beneficiaries.

And we will exercise our constitutional right and stage protests at those memorials.

We will.

Fr uh peaceful protests.

And because we're gonna say we're funding this.

We never voted on this.

We no, get rid of this shit.

Get rid of this fucking we will protest the Hellodomor uh wall.

We will Volk, we won't do that.

We will protest the museum, we will protest the monuments to the so-called victims of communism.

And that's something we're gonna probably do this year.

I can't tell you when, but we'll do it this year.

Yeah, they vandalized the first black regiment in the Civil War.

Really?

Unbelievable.

I just want all of you tax season.

I don't know if you paid your taxes yet or you filed an extension, but if you paid your taxes, just know that some of your money went to the victims of Communism employees.

There are employees working full time from Poland and from Latvia who are living off of your paychecks.

And where's Doge?

Where's Doge, we don't know.

Should the Baltics be independent?

No!

No.

Should Belgium exist,

No!

Sarah Fim, what's going on?

You've been here since 2021.

What's up, brother?

Which civilization they belong to Russia?

To Russia.

They belong to Eurasia.

And you know what Dugan just proposed a Union State between Iran and Russia is the most beautiful thing.

I agree with that unconditionally.

Iran, Russia, Union State, similar to Belarus, beautiful idea.

Beautiful idea.

They are both Scythians.

And it would be such a grand union Beautiful melding of cultures

And then Azerbaijan can be next.

And it would be the next Tartaria Scythian Empire.

Beautiful.

Yeah.

Trump believes US can make iPhones.

Trump announces major tariffs on pharmaceuticals.

We're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals.

Wow.

He's going after everyone.

And once we put we're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals.

Hold on.

Let's uh put we're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals, and once we do that, they're going to come rushing back into our country because we're the big market.

The advantage we have over everybody is that we're the big market.

So we're going to be announcing very shortly a major tariff on pharmaceuticals.

And when you and when they hear that, they will leave China, they will leave other places because they have to sell most of their product is sold here.

But we're going to tariff our pharmaceuticals, and once we do that, they're going to come rushing back into our country because we're the big market.

The advantage we have and let's see what he said about iPhones.

'Cause there's a lot of brilliant stuff going on.

Um does the President endorse something that Howard Lutnick said on television this weekend, which was that the army of millions and millions of human beings screwed up.

And she has glasses, by the way.

By the way, glasses, just letting you know.

And and you have a filter on your reality, literally.

The President wants to increase manufacturing jobs here in the United States of America, but he's also looking at advanced technologies.

He's also looking at AI and emerging fields that are growing around the world that the United States needs to be a leader in as well.

So there's an array of diverse jobs, more traditional manufacturing jobs as you discussed, but also jobs in advanced technologies.

The President is looking at all of those.

He wants them to come back home.

But iPhones specifically.

Is that something that he thinks is the kind of technology that can move to the U.S.?

Yes, Karen.

Whatever your name is, you will have to make the iPhones in a factory instead of whatever it is the fuck you do working to get me banned on Twitch, which is literally what you do.

You write stupid fucking articles, fake news bullshit, that ends up getting me banned 'cause you call me a Kremlin agent.

You called me a Kremlin agent, so I went to fucking Donbass.

And I emptied a PKM and I shot an RPG to show you who the Kremlin agent is.

Absolutely.

He believes we have the labor, we have the workforce, we have the resources to do it.

And as you know, Apple has invested $500 billion here in the United States.

So if Apple didn't think the United States could do it, they probably wouldn't have put up that big chunk of change.

I'm gonna say my iPhone is gonna be made by me and not slave labor v from the third world.

Fuck up.

Stupid.

Fucking journalist.

Um

What is Rand Paul saying?

Is he's he's against this?

Mm.

Check show request for the ultimate Polish Tether

Um

Polish Dominik Tarzinski Oh Dominik Tarzinski

Let's see what Randpaul's saying first.

We have to start from talking about the truth.

One of the things they say with Canada is: oh, there's a 270% tariff on dairy products going from the US into Canada.

Well, you know what the real tariff is?

Zero.

That's a big difference between what the truth is.

So there's a certain amount of goods, dairy goods, that go to Canada every year.

This guy is fighting for the British crown.

He's defending Canada.

I don't know what to say.

He's a Canadian agent.

Alright, he's defending Canadia.

All right, let's look at this Polish guy.

Exchange was crazy last night.

I do not have a question.

I would rather have a comment as a member of the Parliament, European Parliament, who was called a fascist Islamophobe.

I was called all these names.

And I'm happy that we have this moment.

I am from Poland and I will tell you that Islam will not win in Europe.

And the Sharia law, we will tell you right now, no to Islam, no to Sharia law.

I am defiant, brave warrior, and I will say no to Islam and Sharia law.

Of silence now, because I would like to remind you: these people are lecturers about this guy want to bring Sharia law on beautiful white Poland.

Poland say no to Islam.

We will not have the camels, we will not have the big minarets, we will not have the big prayers, we will not have the big burkas, we will not have Islam in our beautiful white Poland.

So, I would like to remind you again.

Look at beautiful Polish girl, Polish woman.

We will not put hijab on her because beautiful blue-eyed, blonde-haired Polish women in the wheat field.

We are preserving the Lord of the Rings against the murder.

Oh, Poland, everyone cares so much about Poland.

My country is so important.

Again, they are talking and lecturing us about Unity.

So, now you have a chance to practice what you have a chance now.

I am telling you, I come from Poland.

I have an accent, but trust me, I am fully American car deal salesman.

I will sell you this car, and I will tell you right now: this car is the best deal you will ever get.

And just like they say in the Hollywood movies, I'm telling you, this vehicle is the best deal like a pancake in the morning, just like they say in the old Western movies, like a waffle for breakfast.

You will get the best deal, right?

Trust me, I have an accent, but you can trust me, okay?

I am not going to give you a bad deal.

Okay, I am a man of integrity and the values of freedom and democracy.

To win.

Yeah, I just want to.

You have to have it all.

Islam and the democracy.

Isn't even American.

So I don't know what the hell he's chatting USA for.

I'll chat USA, not you.

Okay.

I will tell you, you say I am not American.

I am the biggest American patriot there is.

I love American troops in my country so much, I bow before them.

I go to American military base and I literally, in Islam, they do the prayer five times a day.

I do five times a day in front of American military base.

It's my Kappa.

I go there.

I pray five times a day.

I bring my wife.

She wears a hijab in the military base.

We worship America.

So second of all, you're talking about losing with class when that bitch Donald Trump s tried to steal an election, tried set to terminate the constitution, or set off a riot that he didn't mind if his vice president won Turkish Uyghur.

Have you watched the Lord of the Rings?

If not, go watch and come back and talk to me.

Was murdered, one rushed the capital, tried to destroy our democracy.

He he's the very worst in how in losing and losing.

I am the elf from Lord of the Ring.

That's how white I am.

I am the elf.

Not even that guy with the sword.

I am literally the elf.

That's how great Poland is on the hierarchy of Europe.

And this Urukai is yelling at me.

We are honest about what goes wrong in the Democratic Party and what goes in the Republican Party.

Are you guys honest about the fact that Donald Trump tried to steal an election?

He's got no class at all.

Go for it.

Dominic.

Guys, if I can ask for another moment of silence.

Who the hell is this guy?

You ask me why I am in US now.

You ask me why I am in US now.

And it is very simple.

I am here to make money to scam retarded people.

And I wave US flag and I look white, guy, and I can make much money from this off of retard.

Because I was invited and I came here with my passport.

Patrick invited me as a politician to come to US because as a European, as a Polish I do recognize the plumber in London.

What a cuck.

What a cuck.

This is literally the most despicable cuckoldery I've ever seen.

Would an American ever go to a country and say, you're my leader?

Are we built that way?

Why the fuck would we respect a bitch like that who demeans and disrespects his own nation in this way?

Kissing our ass.

It's disgusting.

Jump ball.

And you need to be put back in chains, you fucking disgusting, filthy tether.

And we were living under the communism.

And we lived under the communism.

And Reagan freed us from the communism.

The Urukai and Sauron, they were whipping us and we were so miserable and it was terrible.

And then the Reagan and the USA save us from the Communism.

Always grateful to the Republican.

For the freedom of Poland, Poland.

Fuck you.

Fuck your five thousand percent tariff.

Five thousand percent tariff.

Nope, China's putting it back in chains, bitch.

China's bringing it back.

Oh, freed what?

China's putting it right back where it belongs.

And we're helping them.

The ACP, you s you overstay your welcome when we take power, you're going in jail.

You're going to go to Alaska, right back where you started.

I came no no no work becoming a communist country.

America Freedom Reagan Yeah, you're gonna wake up to an America, a communist America, one day and there's nowhere for you to run.

Nowhere to run.

There's gonna be nowhere to flee to.

See, these guys are occupation agents creating a theme park version of what America is.

And it's all run by pedophiles who created a fake simulation theme park America that was branded on the basis of anti-communism rather than the revolutionary principles upon which our country was actually founded.

We have forgotten what this country is.

It's a total joke.

You go to DC, it's Disney World.

It's a complete sham.

And I do not want communism back.

Too bad, bitch, it's common.

And Kamala is a communist.

Yeah.

Nope.

No negoti we don't negotiate with these people.

Disgusting fuck.

Fucking Polish guy.

Retard.

Poland is the India of Europe.

In terms of how much they kiss the ass of colonizers, that's what it is.

The India of Europe.

It's not even Europe, right?

Poland is the India of Eurasia.

Let's call it that.

It's not part of Europe.

Who let Poland into Europe?

They got a little too comfortable.

These Czech Slovaks, not Slovaks, they're fine.

The Czechs, the Poles.

They came in and oh, we got a dignified European.

Shut the fuck up, you LARPing bitch.

They made you the plumbers.

Um

I dream of Poland in chains.

Poland

Wow, we've been streaming for like three and a half hours.

Wow.

You guys notice how my streams are longer now?

Like then the two hours that they used to be.

Well, you know, that's just like what a streamer has to do to stream, you know, and they have to stream for a long time.

Streaming longer na no, it's got nothing to do with the book.

Um

Trillion dollar Department of Defense budget.

Wow.

Tremendous military.

That was a very small portion because we rebuilt the military during my first term.

And we have great things happening with our military.

We also essentially approved a budget, which is in the facility.

You'll like to hear this, of a trillion dollars, one trillion dollars.

Arwell, what's up, bro?

Thank you.

Nobody's seen anything like it.

We have to build our military, and we're very cost-conscious, but the military is something that we have to build, and we have to be strong because you've got a lot of bad forces out there now.

So we're going to be approving a budget.

And I'm proud to say, actually, the biggest one we've ever done for the military.

We're cutting other things that were under doge, but.

Yeah, that's fucking crazy.

See, this is like.

Yeah.

That's the fascistic turn the US is taking.

This is militarism.

Oh man.

Yo, what's going on H H I T?

What's going on man?

KFM with the five, what's going on, bro?

Appreciate you.

Appreciate you.

About to have some dinner.

Alright guys.

I think we're gonna wrap it up.

I hope you guys had fun tonight.

I hope you liked the debate.

And, um

We'll be back Thursday.

Tariffs are a new opportunity to push economics that is considered crazy and and wacko.

It's a new opportunity for us, guys.

Let's not sleep on it.

Let's not side with the experts.

Let's side with the future.

Future says we need some big ideas, you know.

Uh

Yeah.

Anyway guys