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Great. Great. Great. Well,, we've got a lot to talk about and I'm going to shut this out

on my Instagram right now as well, but we got a lot to talk about and you know I'm sure there's going to be a

lot of people who want to come to debate us.

Haas and I are both anti-Zionists. We're both communists.

American Patriots. And at the end of the day, like yesterday I was on this

stream, this Twitter space, Mario Noffalls Twitter space, and

I was, we were there and I was debating this, really like, I was one versus like 10 against

all these Israeli settlers that were just peddling this nonsense.

So today what we're going to do is we're going to have our own unencumbered, unedited,

uncensored Twitter space to debate the Zionists, talk about what's going on in the world,

and talk about what's to come.

So without further ado, let's begin.

Huzz, do you want to first, do you want to just get right into debates or

first you want to talk about stuff or how do you want to do it? I think we should

talk about it a little bit first just to give people an idea of where we stand so

there's no confusion. Also

provide people with an analysis a little bit about what's going on a more

broad one. Sounds good. Well you know I think I'd be I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

I mean, right now, Hamas is presumably firing those rockets into Tel Aviv and other locations in Israel.

And it looks like a really big for Hamas standards a really big missile

attack and of course we here would never cross the State Department and label anything

but Hamas as the State Department labels them but you, you know, it is interesting because we've funneled,

we've laundered like billions and billions of dollars to Israel.

Year after year after year for their iron dome system,

but they can't manage to keep a few of these homemade missiles made out of water pipes and

mud ditches out of their airspace. So what do you think about all this? What do

you think about the potential for a wider conflict when this eventual invasion

from the IDF is supposed to begin inside of Gaza.

They already did some probing operations last night and those,

there wasn't much fanfare from what I saw.

They just kind of went in and went out.

But what do you think is to come with a wider full invasion if that

does happen and they don't chicken out?

Well, I think what we're looking at is an impossible situation. Obviously the United States

doesn't want to see this escalate into a regional war because in that case it

would be forced to get involved. But if you look at, if we take a broader picture

at the situation, the attack against the occupied Palestine, as I call it, the Zionist entity by Hamas on October 7th was unprecedented

in the entire history of the so-called state of Israel. And there is no way they are able

to just kind of have a ceasefire and let that go.

So, I mean, there's no political authority in occupied Palestine within the Zionist entity

that will survive by telling the people that, yes, we're just going to let that slide and we're not going to actually completely so that

eradicating Hamas is a necessity for the Zionist entity just to be legitimate in the eyes of its own people and

here we're seeing some ancient laws of warfare

reveal themselves, which is no matter how much iron dome you have,

no matter how much air power you have,

no matter how much missiles you have,

no matter how much technology you have, you need boots on the ground.

If you want to wage war on people, you need people to go in and occupy territory, go in

and see to the realization of your goal.

So they have to do a ground war. As the, in order to the realization of your goal. So they have to do a ground war. In order to

fulfill their stated objective, there is no way around it. They have to do a

ground war. And a ground war terrifies them and rightly so because do I think

Hezbollah and Iran is going to immediately

get involved in the aftermath of a ground war? I don't think so. I think Hamas is

more than capable of drawing out in a very protracted, hideous, and ugly conflict, the slaughter of the IDF.

Again, I'm speaking not in terms of I approve of any of this and following all the rules.

It's just a description.

The IDF is going to experience unprecedented casualties in a ground war. The government knows this as well and they have to do one.

They literally have to in order to survive as a government.

And Hamas, you know, they're waiting for it.

They're hoping for it actually.

That's exactly what they want.

And then, after these months, I mean, eventually if the IDF prevails over Hamas, I think at

that point you see a 100% likelihood that Hezbollah gets involved, kicking off the powder keg of a regional war.

Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you described.

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okay so Israel you're brutally honest as American patriots you and me.

Okay, what what real?

Okay, I see your text house.

What real victories does the United States have?

We lost, I mean, there was no real definable goal in Iraq, but I think that's widely considered

a miserable failure.

We lost in Syria against Assad.

We lost, we've lost in Russia.

Russia has 87,000 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory and they've wiped out 450,000 plus men

of the Ukrainian military.

Haas just dropped down.

I'll guess we'll bring him back up when he comes back in.

There's some glitches.

Twitter needs to fix this stuff.

But the other thing that we need to recognize here,

I mean, we lost an Afghanistan against the Taliban.

The idea that the United States is

going to have some sweeping victory over Hamas via their proxy and Israel is it's really a criminal notion

that anyone would be that naive to assume that.

And I guess Haas is, he got a request again to come back up.

He said he requested, let's see.

We're figuring out these kinks as we move along, but we'll get him back up here because

he, I have a question for him

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Okay.

So it really is a criminal notion that anyone would be so ignorant and naive to assume that like yes.

The U.S. has a huge military, but when it comes to fighting a war that is so far away, we have two aircraft

carrier strike groups over there, but Iran has their full military, the IRGC.

Hamas is fully loaded, locked and loaded, been preparing for this for years, defensive lines, everything like that, their

guerrilla warfare tactics, underground tunnels.

Hezbollah is waiting just around the corner.

What about Syria?

Let's really break this down.

How much real world on the ground, boots on the ground fighting experiences Israel

have over the past several years?

None, pretty much.

What about the United States?

None, pretty much.

What about the Russians a lot?

And Russia has their Black Sea fighter jets currently within striking distance,

hypersonic missiles within striking distance of those two U.S. carrier strike groups.

What about the Iranians? They have plenty of on-the-ground experience.

They've been doing a lot in Syria, for example.

What about the Syrians?

Obviously, they have a lot of experience.

What about Hamas?

I mean, they've been preparing with all the people who have the experience.

So I think it's a really dangerously naive notion that the U.S. is going to have some sweeping

victory via proxy in the IDF.

But, Haas, you were talking about this, like the geographical proximity of this war

for the United States.

They're already waging a war on Russia. They want to wage a war on China.

We've sent all of our javelins, those two countries, two places. Taiwan's not a country.

We dumped out our 155 millimeter stockpiles for Ukraine. We've sent a lot of our tanks, our armored fighting

vehicles, our IFVs over to Ukraine. What do you make of the situation for, I guess,

the permanent war state and the likelihood of them having some sort of a victory?

Well, I definitely think this is going to be protracted over a long period.

If anyone's expecting a quick resolution of the conflict, I wouldn't bet on it.

As far as a victory for the axis of resistance is concerned, I think I have no doubt in my

mind that in the long term

there will be a victory. In the long term, the Zionist entity simply cannot continue to exist.

And you just have to look at the region to see that. You just have to look at the fact that it's just a failed

state in terms of being able

to secure an existence.

It hasn't ever been able to do that and will not be able to do that in the future.

Now, a lot of people visualize war, usually in terms of like a video game where the military assets of

one country and another country are put side to side and that's how they evaluate how it

would work. Now obviously if you put side to side all of the technology and assets of Israel

and you know Hezbollah and Hamas, it's not a

contest, right? But this isn't how war works. War in this case is always going to be

asymmetrical. It's going to take geography into account. And the same is true for Iran.

Now, when you look at the alliance that's been built in that region, a key factor of which,

which a lot of people overlook, are the, I think it's hundreds of thousands of fighters in

Iraq who are ready to go and die for Al-Aqsa, many of whom are being transported

to the Golan as we speak.

This isn't just Syria, Hezbollah Hamas, and Iran.

It's also a huge portion of Iraq, right?

People forget that angle of it.

And when you combine all these forces together,

plus the possibility, I'm not banking on this,

but it's always something you have to entertain,

which is the possibility of Turkish involvement. I think

what you're looking at is a long-term a disaster for Israel. Now the thing is

Israel and the United States can inflict severe damage on the region and the

possibility of nuclear weapons is always on the region and the possibility of nuclear weapons is always

on the table. So I think the real question to be honest, this might be

preemptive because we're not it were in the beginning stages of the conflict.

Will they use nukes? And if you ask me I don't think the Zionist entity will use nukes.

I've talked about this before,

but I think even in the event that they're witnessing a collapse of the Zionist entity,

I think the Samson option is a complete bluff.

And the reason I believe that is because there are material...

What's the Samson option?

For those unfamiliar, the Samson option is this doctrine, this notion that if Israel

is cornered against a wall, it's going to use nuclear weapons and take out the

entire region with it.

And you know, but I think it's a bluff.

I don't think they would actually do it.

I think that the Zionist ideology is very much one of, you know, the preservation of certain interests at all costs.

And I think in the event of the collapse, there are so many vested interests, and I'm

talking of the international ruling class, money laundering, and all this kind of stuff,

the diamond trade, they'll pack up their bags and leave before they nuke.

They're not going to risk destroying their entire global network that they're a part of.

I mean, again, the thing that holds up, the Zionist entity, is not really the will

or the sense of principle and ideology of the people living in it. It's a faction of the

international ruling class, centered in the city of London and they will

they will choose self-preservation before suicide in any case but that's just my

opinion. Yeah I think all options are still on the table for them though it's very early on.

They did that small probing operation last night.

Reportedly, again, so this is the, a few days ago, apparently, IDF and U.S. soldiers did a small incursion

into Gaza in an effort to try and evacuate those Israeli hostages.

And Colonel Douglas McGregor,

who is a friend of mine,

former Trump senior advisor to the Pentagon

because they'd never allow that man

to become Secretary of Defense,

he said that the IDF and American soldiers who went in got shot and chopped into pieces.

Those are his words not mine.

So that failed.

Then last night, the IDF reportedly, well not reportedly, they admitted to it, they

did a small incursion into Gaza, again this time with some IFVs and tanks.

And Hamas reportedly captured at least one of Israel's special forces members when they went in there.

So it looks like even from the small incursions that they're doing, they are woefully, maybe

not underprepared, but underestimating the strength of the Palestinian resistance.

And I don't think that's a fluke.

I think that's probably going to be a trend that we see as the events continue on full.

But yeah, I think that's kind of a good summary of where we're at.

Do you want to start bringing up Zionists to debate?

Sure, I'll just add one last thing really quick is that a lot of people believe in the theory

that October 7th was allowed by the government.

I don't know all the details and these reports of Egyptian intelligence. I'm not aware of that,

but I wouldn't be surprised if they really were caught by surprise. And what you just said at the end,

that they're underestimating their enemy,

I think that's been true the whole time.

I think the capabilities of the Mukalima or the axis of resistance

are far beyond anything that the Zionist entity can imagine

and that perhaps October 7th was evidence of that.

But in any case, let's bring people up. in that perhaps October 7th was evidence of that.

But in any case, let's bring people up.

Yes, and so for everyone who's requesting to speak, because we've got 3500 people in here

already, and there's a lot of people requesting to speak. Just don't request to speak if you

are not a Zionist. You're not, you know, pro-Israel or whatever. Because we want to be debating

Zionists and pro-Israel people. So you can unrequest if you are pro-Palestine.

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So thank you for the support and let's start bringing up people who are Zionists.

So if you're not a Zionist don't request to speak. Okay. All right, so

this guy was in the space last night. Let's bring a few people up. Tohide Khan.

Let's bring this guy up. I don't see a lot of people with Israeli flags, but...

I'm not a Zionist.

I'm a Palestinian.

If needed, I can give you an insight from the Gaza Strip.

Okay.

Later on in throw.

I do want to say that, uhthat this is something I was actually kicked out of.

I don't want to endanger any relation between Jackson and Mario. But as far as I'm concerned,

Mario like blacklisted me and banned me from his spaces simply because I said it

was my opinion that Israel is not a real country. So I want to actually have

the freedom of speech now to say in public that I believe that the so-called

state of Israel, this is just my opinion, I'm

not speaking for anyone else, has no right to exist, that the Zionist entity is a completely

fake, synthetic, and artificial entity, which I do not recognize and do not believe is a

real country.

So that is an opinion we do not recognize and do not believe as a real country.

So that is an opinion.

We do not censor here and I want to make that clear to everyone, just to be front and

center about that.

So I'll just say to that before we bring up people and start debating. We brought up a few people. I hope

they're Zionists. But listen, last night I was debating this Israeli woman. I

still don't know her name. And she made, so she made the argument that Israel

has some sort of a historic continuity with Jewish people

millennia ago in the land in Jerusalem.

And my view on that is like, well, if you think it's your land based on something that happened thousands

and thousands and thousands of years ago, only your land, I should say, and no one else's,

because it obviously just was not Jews that were present there, you know, they bombed the oldest, one of the oldest Christian churches in the world

of a week ago in Gaza.

It seems to me as though it's just as, Israel's just as much, you know, Jewish land

as Ukraine is Mongol land.

I mean, the Mongolian Empire, is there some sort of a continuity between the Mongols

and Ukraine today?

Most people would say no.

So, Oz, what is this argument that people put forward of some sort of a continuity, but this land that was, they claim they occupied thousands and thousands of years ago in the modern Israeli state?

Oh, it's complete nonsense. I mean, if that logic held up in a place of court, then the

borders of every single nation on the planet would have to be redrawn in the most arbitrary

of manners. And to that, I would just say, first of all, what about the people that were

living on that land before the Jewish religion,

before the establishment of the Kingdom of Israel?

Second of all, it's plainly not true from a factual perspective because the Canaanites

were the same as the Jews.

The Jews are just a religion who came from the Canaanites were the same as the Jews. The Jews are just a religion who came from the Canaanites.

And many of those Jews converted to Christianity and then Islam and the current Palestinians

are descended from them.

And there were still Jews that actually lived in Palestine together

with Muslims and Christians before the Zionist project which was created in

Europe. Now thirdly, this is the final thing, there is no continuity because this

is not how history works.

History doesn't work when thousands of years pass and then on the other side of the world

you say that you want to reverse the wheels of time and savagely uproot people from their way

of life, from their land and from their civilization and exterminate them

because you want to aspire to this ideal of reversing all of the problems of

history. Moy, you're going to have to mute your Mike. So, you know, it's a complete

nonsense argument. By the way, the Zionist themselves don't believe it.

You know how I know?

Because Zionism is a modern and secular ideology.

Theodore Herzl was not some Orthodox Jewish rabbi.

They don't care about the religious claim to the Holy Land.

It's an ethnic, racist, and European racist project actually, which is why the Soviets

and the civilized world at that time. This was a UN resolution passed by the way in the

70s that Zionism is a racist ideology. It's rooted in racism. It's rooted in the notion of

creating an ethnically pure state only for Jews to the exclusion of everyone else. So it has nothing to do

with the Jewish religion. Can I just say something because you know if it's first

of all I want to say thank you for opening you know this debate I think talking

about ideas from different perspectives is always, you know, good for, you know, society in general.

So I just wanted to say, thank you for opening the space.

But if we have to say the truth of the matter, you know, if we go back to, you know, the history, I am originally from Mexico.

My family was from Hebron.

My family was kicked out from Hebron.

We were what was called a Palestinian Jew, because there was no Palestinians back in the

turn of the century.

Nobody was called a Palestinian back then.

It was part of the Ottoman Empire, and it was like that for 500 years.

The Ottomans did not even speak Arabic,

so it was not even part of the culture to be, you know, the Arabic speaking people were

the people that were coming from the countries that were around and people that were, yeah,

living in what was called the Palestine area under Ottomans.

Then the British came and then you know it was they decided

to partition the land but the Jews that were living in the land in Hebron in

Gaza even Jerusalem it was they were there for all the time.

And let me tell you, it was not very, I mean, it was better than living with, compared

to the Christian kingdoms that were living, the Jews were living there.

But they were second class citizens, they were paying a special tax because they were not Muslim, they were the

Hidemi and they were discriminated against as a second class.

What happened afterwards, some Jews from Europe migrated and rejoined with the Jews that were

living there. This had not, at the beginning, there was no conflict,

except, you know, there were sometimes some pogroms,

like in Hebron, people got killed by Arab mobs,

and the reason behind it, it was the same as before discrimination

and the idea that the Jew has the right to be free and independent in a land

this is something that has to be taking into account.

I believe that has to be taking into account.

I believe that if you want to build a bridge of peace between peoples, you have to understand

the other.

I understand why Palestinians believe that they need a land and I think they do.

It's important for Palestine to become a free nation and also to respect and understand

the other.

If we do that, then we're building bridges.

If we say the other one has no right, even if it's a Jew saying that or a Palestinian

saying that, this is destroying bridges. And at the end of the day, this is the reality.

There is, I don't know, maybe seven or eight million Jews and Israeli Arabs living in Israel happily.

And there are another five million Muslim and Christian Palestinians living in Gaza and

West Bank.

If we want to bring those realities together, they're not going to disappear. There's a one

only one way out is respect the other people right to exist. They the Jews

deserve the right to exist and to live and also the Palestinians deserve the

right to live and exist. With respect and with this we can build a better future.

But if we only hear, no, the Jews is not real, this is an entity, they're not a real

state, they're nothing, they don't have a right to exist. This puts, you know, a very

difficult position for building a bridge.

And this is what I want to ask you, everybody.

Build a bridge, construct the bridge, not destroy everything.

They're not, it's not going to be another Holocaust for Jews or for Palestinians.

This war right now is going to come to an end eventually.

So Haas, what do you say to that?

Well, the Zionists always say build a bridge, and that's what they were saying in the

1930s. That's where they were saying when they proposed the false UN partition plan of 47. But the reality is they don't build a bridge,

they build a wall.

They build a wall that they use to imprison the people living on that land.

And you may not agree that they're called Palestinians from a historical perspective, but it doesn't

actually matter what you call them.

These are the people who were living on that land, their forefathers were living on that land,

their entire culture, civilization, and way of life was based on the way they lived on that land,

whether they were subjects of the Ottoman Empire

or Arab Caliphates or the Mamluks or something else before them, is immaterial.

There's an organic historical continuity between those people and their ancestors, and to

come and criminally uproot them from their existence in the name of their ancestors. And to come and criminally uproot them from their existence in the name of some

vain project of modern state building is a crime from a historical perspective. Now as far as

the question of the right of Jewish people to exist, the survival or

the allowance of Jewish people to live on Muslim lands is well documented in history.

And I'm not even necessarily claiming that the people that all Jews must be expelled

from that land. That's, I'm not even necessarily claiming that. But the Zionist state, the notion

of a state constructed exclusively for Jews in that land, in that specific territory, is a

criminal enterprise. It's no less a criminal enterprise than apartheid South

Africa or any other vestige of colonialism and racism in history.

And all this nonsense about how this is a denial

of the right to Jews to exist is not,

I'm not buying that, I don't think anyone else buys that.

And you claim that Jews were second class citizens, along with Christians in the Ottoman Empire and these previous empires because they had to pay Gizia.

Well, a lot of other groups didn't have what we called modern rights.

We live in a modern world, and it's up to the people of that region to decide how

they want to govern themselves. But to say that Jews did not coexist and have

a mutual understanding with the people who live there before Zionism, the Mizrahi Jews as we call them, however much they had

to pay Gizia, there was still a sense of civilization, where there was a sense of mutual

recognition, and this obeyed the laws of civilization one way or another.

Zionism is the complete negation of civilization.

It's coming in and savagely expelling people and exterminating them

and artificially creating a community from scratch of people all around the world who have

nothing in common except their religion. I mean you mean to tell me a Jew in

Russia and a Jew in Mexico and a Jew in Iraq and a Jew in Ethiopia and all these

people all around the world are part of the same

civilization and community. This is not how countries are born. This is nonsense.

As a matter of fact it reminds me of something. It reminds me of ISIS which drew

Muslims all across the world who had no history of living together to come

and oppress and uproot people indigenous to Syria and Iraq in the name of this vain notion

of creating a state purely on the basis of shared religion and nothing else.

This is a crime against human history and the existence of civilized human beings.

Let me first just say to anyone who is requesting to speak, only requests to speak if you are a Zionist, you're pro-Israel.

If you're not unrequest to speak because we're debating pro-Israel people.

Okay, so let me just go back to that. First of all, yes, the Jews are the indigenous people of that land.

I know when you go back, you don't want to go all the way back, but the only time that that land has been independent

as a nation was the kingdoms of Jewish that lived there millennia ago. The

Arabs came from Arabia and they colonized the place and I don't want to even

debate you know they if they come and if they have the right because they do

have the right just because they live there.

Again, when I said building bridges means if Jews are living there and they have different

types of colors, they're already there.

And the Arabs that came from Arabia and from the countries that are close by,

they're living there.

What I mean by building bridges is what happened, for example,

with the Jews' population.

When the Jews started to become an independent nation,

which was, to be a Zionist, by the way,, is just Jews that don't want to be underneath any

other regime or political entity.

It's an independent movement.

It's just Jews living free.

So if you think Jews should be free in their own land where their ancestors came from,

then you're a Zionist.

If you believe that Jews don't, then that's the definition.

But, for example, with the Jews population, the Jews and the Jews became friends.

And right now, the Arabs that live in Israel, the Muslim,

there's like 2 million Muslim Arabs living in Israel with an Israeli passport.

So there is no apartheid.

There is no apartheid with the Druze.

They joined the army. They are happily apartheid with the Druze.

They join the army.

They are happily there.

They're better there than in any other rest of the countries.

Women are free in Israel.

Gay or rights are respected in Israel, not in any other country around them.

I don't care about that though.

So, so, so you go, so I have a question though.

So you have this fake country, you have fake people from like,

all across the world that, you know, are saying,

oh, come to, come to our country, you know, they have these kids from Los Angeles,

West Hollywood, you know, they're homosexuals in West Hollywood that are like,

let's go to Israel Birthright, and they go live in Tel Aviv for a year.

You understand how disgusting that is for the people of Palestine who have

chosen on their own? Well, that argument, that argument, you carry on. I mean, America is not a country.

America is guilty. So America not a country. Americans...

So, America is a country.

Don't over disrespect my country or else, you know, like, you should get the fuck out and

be exported, deported from our country.

But listen, you have these homosexuals from West Hollywood that go to Gaza or go to Tel Aviv.

And that land is not for homosexuals.

Like let's just be frank.

No, I'm not saying it for homosexual.

I'm saying they have a right to be there.

They're not executed like in Iran.

So, so Moy, I have a question for you, Moy.

Um, why is it that you think that just because you have the Jewish religion, you have a right

to be there because people who had the Jewish religion were there predominantly 2,000 years ago. What about the

Canaanite people who preceded the establishment of the kingdoms of Israel?

Do they not have a right to that land?

Yeah, tell me who are the Canaanite people. Are the only people that are still alive?

The descendants of the Canaanite people are the Palestinians.

I don't know anybody that is, say, oh, I'm a Canaanite. They have a plow.

You can't, you can't pick in shoes.

The problem is you can't pick and shoes when you want to talk about ethnic lineage,

because it's proven that Palestinians are the descendants of the Canaanite people.

And so where are the Jews?

So, I mean, the people are living there.

So, at best, at best, and I don't even agree

with this, you cannot argue for the establishment of an exclusively Jewish state when Canaanites

preceded any establishment of the Kingdom of Israel. By your logic, by the way, this is your logic.

Yeah, I do not agree on that exclusive Jewish state.

What I...

Then how can you defend Zionism?

Well, because I think there's, if you there's you know maybe what 60 Muslim states

there are majority but but you can have one state where my I'll explain the

difference I'll explain the difference for that for you there are many nations

that decided to convert to Islam for historical reasons, but

none of those Muslim states simply were created out of thin air willy-nilly just because they

happened to subscribe to a certain religion. They were there because the people living on those

lands had been living on those lands,

or they mixed with a foreign population under terms commensurate with the organic development of history.

But in no case will you find, except in the case of ISIS, people pouring all across the four corners of

the earth to come into a land, uproot everyone living there, and to impose

their own ideology just on the basis of a shared religion. The only case you have,

as far as Islam is concern in that case is

ISIS and Israel is the Jewish ISIS. Okay I don't agree with that because let

I mean first of all when you talk about a nation being made of a migrant,

the USA is the best example.

So here you can find people from Japan, China,

and everybody's coins can coexist,

and there's no need for eliminating the other.

The only place that I see that, you know, for example, Gaza,

they asked for all the Jews to be removed before it was in an independent area.

And Israel removed them. So, you know, I'm not ever saying Jews has to be only a Jewish state because the I mean Jews

They have to have a little bit of everything in there even the people that live there

They were respected their their students of ship and they were given a passport. You can...

You can... You can... You can...

You can... Two million is Arab Muslims living in Israel. And then another four

million Arab Jews that came from Iraq that came from Syria and they were kicked out from

those places and they were kicked out from Yemen. So you go to Israel and and

you see a mix of people the majority of them are brown because...

Moy but are you aware are you aware of Zionist terrorism and instigation that

uh, credit to foment tensions between local Jewish populations in Egypt and Iraq and elsewhere

in order to actually pressure them to migrate to the false state of Israel?

Because that's a real documented historical fact, that the

Zionists using methodical means.

And let's bring in our other speakers too, because we got two speakers. We got Benjamin

Leader and we've got Yair 840. Let's hear from Benjamin and

then Yair.

Yeah, just curious, who founded Palestine? Who was the, did they have a king or a leader of

some kind? Does anybody know? The notion of a state of some kind. Does anybody know?

The notion of a state of Palestine was created in accordance with the principles enshrined in the UN of the National Right to Self-Determination.

And the Palestinian state and the Palestinian people decided that they were Palestinian,

they wanted a Palestinian state, which was their right because they were the people living

on that land.

And this is this form of national self-determination they elected to pursue.

When did they elect to pursue that? Why don't you get to the point of

your rhetorical question so we can just see what your point is? I was just trying to figure out if anybody knew, I've asked some of these same questions

before and nobody seems to be able to answer them straight.

So if you don't know, then that's okay.

Okay, well the land on historical maps was called Palestine for a very long time.

After World War I, there was a sense of kind of holistic Arab identity.

There was various different Arab dynasties, like the Heshamites and Jordan and others that

laid claim to being the leader of all the Arabs but through the course of the

development of the national right of self-determination the notion of a

Palestinian state arose just like a Syrian state arose and a Jordanian state arose

and so on and so forth.

I mean your question, I think the point you're trying to get at is that the state,

the name of the state of Palestine or the notion of a Palestinian state is

rather recent. Well that's true for every single state in the Middle East.

The difference of course is that these are states created by the actual people

who have been living there for centuries and millennia as opposed to the Zionist

project which was created from scratch and which has

no organic basis in any community whatsoever. Okay, I think you shut him down with that one.

What I don't get is why the Israelis think they can just, you know, do this terrorism against

the civilians in Gaza day in day out and not

expect a response.

The only way this is going to end is through the establishment of a Palestinian state.

That's what Putin says he's 100% correct.

And I don't think that you can deprive people of their lands, their right to access water,

electricity, internet, food, so on and so forth, aid, medical aid, and expect their not

to be a fight.

And that's what we're seeing right now.

And I think it's, it's, it should be expected.

And you think that Hamas has a chance in this fight?

100% I mean, I think they, 100% have prepared for this

with years, with probably the Iranians with Hezbollah and the idea that the IDF with their

$2 million missiles can't stop a few homemade rockets from entering the Tel Aviv airspace

is reason number one to point to the fact that it's

not going to be a clean-cut, decisive victory for the Israelis.

And I think that, I mean, I wouldn't, the last thing I'd want to be on this earth right now

is one of those homosexual Tick-Tock reservists that's about to I'd want to be on this earth right now is one of those homosexual tick-talk

reservists that's about to be sent into the sniper's nest, the booby trap-infested drone-written

region on this earth known as Gaza right now.

That'd be the last person I'd want to be is one of those Israeli soldiers. They

did two probing operations. And the first one, all of the American men and IDF soldiers,

they lost. They were cut up the bits by Hamas. Last night, they did another probing operation,

and they lost one of their special forces soldiers.

I really don't think this is going to be that easy.

So, Hamas doesn't need support? Is that what you're saying? They got this covered?

Well, I think your question is a little bit dishonest. Hamas obviously has been

supported by the regional and indigenously regional forces for a very long

time, as opposed to Israel, which would not exist without a country that exists

on the other side of the world. America, I mean, America has no historical connection to that land,

and yet this parasitic inorganic state requires an entirely alien and foreign country in order just to exist.

I mean, imagine Israel without America.

Where did those?

Where did those AK-47s come from?

They came from, where do you mean, in the ways it was designed, if you're saying it's from the Russians, that's not true because they came from where do you mean in the ways it was designed if you're saying it's from the Russians that's not true because they're

Technically made and manufactured

Outside the blueprints were created by the Russians if that's your argument, but even if I'm a mass a must came on RT and said that they proudly stated that they had a license

to manufacture Kalashnikov. Okay, so you're getting into some squibble about intellectual property.

That's just- Well, without without Russia's support, I guess they wouldn't exist either, huh?

That's not necessary.

I mean, even if that was true, that would still be a more organic form of support than

the United States, which literally has absolutely no tie.

What's the difference between Russia selling Hamas, you know, weapons and us selling Israel

weapons.

Because we don't just sell them weapons, we give them to them for free.

Is Israel purchasing the supply of Iron Dome missiles from the United States?

Get real man.

We're not selling them anything.

We're just giving them it for free. And if we are selling them anything, it's at

such a ridiculous discount that we don't benefit from it. What year was it that

Russia finally paid off their Lynn Lease debt?

Len Lease, 80% of Len Leaes did not even arrive in the Soviet Union until after 1943.

When all of the major decisive battles had already been won, it only comprised about

4% of the total supplies the Red Army actually used against the Nazis.

So, so, so, Lend-Lease was primarily used for reconstruction purposes and to feed the populations, not for

war, after the war.

Lend-Lease is not used for the reason you think it was.

Don't be silly.

Don't walk into this space uneducated and embarrass yourself.

You're going to have a debate about the paying off debt.

Look no further than the United States,

who has one of the highest debt to GDP ratios on the face of the earth.

Much, much, much higher than the Russians, much higher.

Yeah, I hear that thrown around a lot, Jackson, but...

But what's, how much equity much equity is in United States?

It's a deau. What's our debt to equity?

I have no idea what our debt to equity is. I don't have that off the top of my head and I'm sure you don't either.

But at the end of the day if you're going to make

a debate about paying off debt, the United States has the most debt. So the other point

that you brought up is that you know Hamas has the license to manufacture certain goods on Russian blueprints.

Israel can't even launch a simple probing operation or launch air strikes on Hamas right now

without two full U.S. carrier strike groups in the Eastern Mediterranean.

They can't even do that.

They have to have to have...

You think that those strike groups are there for Hamas?

A hundred percent.

Why else do you think they just sent them this week?

Oh, come on, Jackson.

You know this is connected.

You were, you were, you were, you were all, you were all against the Ukrainians a few weeks

ago.

You know the Black Sea is connected to the Mediterranean Sea, right?

Yes, and Russia has their, their Migs flying over the Black Sea right now with hypersonic

missiles that the US doesn't have that can reach those two U.S.

carrier strike groups.

You know, I don't think I don't think any sailors on board those ships are nervous.

No, I have a simple question for you.

Why do you think the US just so happened to send over these U.S. carrier strike groups with

about 12,000 men this week?

You think it was just because, or do you think they did it for a certain reason?

I think it's a part of a larger escalation.

I think that Israel and Ukraine are two fronts

of the same war, obviously.

What's the escalation?

Once Putin secures Sevastopol, assuming that he does,

you know, the next step is going to be able to...

What do you mean once he secures Sevastopol?

What do you mean once he secures Sevastopol?

When have the Russians not had Sevastopol in the last 18 months?

Okay, so clearly very, in terms of modern history, historically illiterate,

so you said that it was an escalation that caused the US to send those two US carrier strike groups.

What escalation?

Well, that's, we had to go off on that tangent.

Once he secures it to his liking,

the next step is going to be to secure the Mediterranean Sea.

And then from there to make it about the straits of Gibraltar.

Because what Putin's tried to do here is simple.

You know, all the old Soviet client states, you know, are still using Soviet-era equipment.

They've got T90s now that they were never able to ship out because of the collapse.

They've got T14s now.

Their client states want these.

In order to get them there, they've

got to get them on ships.

You know, that the Sevastopol is the port

that they used to arm all their client states in the

past and if they're going to arm all their client states again, they need, they need

Sevastopol.

Hold on Benjamin, who do you imagine is a client state of Russia? Everyone that has AK-47s. Yeah, that's I'm sorry. Benjamin, I'm sorry, Benjamin. You can only buy those from one place. Benjamin, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the Azov battalion in Ukraine also uses AK-47s. So AK-47s is a really

low bar to define what constitutes a Russian client state. You know Ukraine is a former Soviet state

and that's why they have them. Benjamin, yeah, I'm aware, but there's also reasons why the axis of resistance has AK-47s

or why China for that matter has their own version of the AK-47.

That's due to historical reasons and not necessarily because they are client states of the present-day Russian Federation.

That is such nonsense. Do Russia and China not trade weapons?

Do they not sell each other weapons? They're not exchange?

Exchange is not a form of being a client state of another, okay? If you think China is a client state of the Russian Federation...

Not anymore, but when they were, when, when the communists were first taking over in China,

they had to get their weapons from somewhere and they got the communist Russian.

And even then, even then, the People's Republic of China was so fiercely independent from

the Soviet Union that it actually culminated in the Sino-Soviet split, which had the China

aligned itself with the United States after the 1970s against the Soviets.

So clearly you don't know your

history if you think that having some kind of historical relation to the Soviets

and the Cold War means we're still living in the bipolar world. Now if you

actually want to say that the reason the U.S. carriers are there because they fear

a bigger power, it's not Russia, it's Iran, an actual regional pole, an actual regional

civilization, which is organic historical ties to the region, which, yes, I very much do imagine the United States wants to threaten and on a scale of one to 10, 10 being best buddies, I guess one being enemies. How would you rate Iran in Russia's relationship?

Right now, it's a, in all honesty, right now it's a seven or eight.

Russia and Iran have different interests.

Sometimes those interests can align, but Iran is very much has its own self-interest and is not a puppet or client of Russia or any

other state of that matter. I mean if you want to make any argument, you can not

say to anybody's a robot here. They're not that Iran is not a client of Russia. Now if anything, Iran is somewhat economically dependent on China, but even then, I see no evidence of any political clienteleism whatsoever that erodes the sovereignty of Iran and the fact that Iran is a regional pole.

I didn't say anything about eroding sovereignty, but their partners.

Benjamin, I think the issue is that you have the, you're framing this in terms of the

Cold War era bipolar world where it's the United States versus the Soviet Union. But right now

we have a multipolar world where there are different regional and

civilizational poles each with their own interests and their own realities and

that doesn't necessarily mean that they're the client of some grand evil

empire.

Yeah, yeah, when I say client, I'm not meaning all of what you just said.

I simply means like, you know, if I buy something from you, I'm a client.

If you, if I, let's say I bought some advice from you

I'm a client right it wouldn't actually surprise me if there was an exchange of military

if if Russia was selling things to Israel as well. That wouldn't surprise me either.

So is Israel a client of Russia as well and vice versa?

Israel has been a client of Russia in the past.

I do believe they've purchased some things from them

and there has been some exchange.

It seems like the relationships a little tense right now, but who knows.

They could be a client again, you know, if Russia has good equipment, I'm sure people would buy it, right?

If...

Okay, because it sounded like you're changing the definition of client to just, uh, to someone Russia is selling to rather than a proxy, which is it sounded like because the idea that the United States

say proxy well the idea that the United States is sending warships to the region because of Russia

I think is really far-fetched I think it's clear that this is a message to the mcauma and in this case Hamas at this moment and then in the

future Hezbollah in Iran. I think that's very clear.

But Russia has offered support in this equation as Jackson mentioned with

the missiles and the planes.

So we can't act like they're not a part of this.

And, you know, are we to believe that Putin

just wants to play in the Black Sea

and doesn't want to spread out into the oceans of the world.

He just wants to stay there.

I really do believe Putin is far more preoccupied with the region in which Russia exists

in than the Middle East region.

Okay, let's bring in our next speaker.

Benjamin, you can continue to stay in chat if you want.

Let's bring in Yair 840.

So what do you think about this whole situation with Hamas, the invasion, the war?

You got to unmute. Okay, if you can't unmute, then we'll bring in our next speaker.

By the way, anyone who's applying to join, make sure you're a Zionist because we're debating

Zionist.

Okay, Crypto, has got some pro-Israel stuff on his account.

Let's hear what you have to say about the Hamas invasion.

Yeah, first of all, I just have to say about the Hamas invasion.

Yeah, first of all, I just want to say that no soldiers has been kidnapped or taken in yesterday's raid. Um, I'm an ex IDF soldier in the Gugugibati Brigade.

I'm actually a reservist right now. I'm on

standby. I'm not on base. But no soldiers has been kidnapped. So I don't know where

you got this BS information from in my opinion. And I mean you guys just haven't

answered any of Benjamin's questions that he's been saying as well

So I don't know where all this bullshit is coming from and and you were you were also saying about homosexuals

You know, there's so many homosexuals and queers that are actually for like Gaza and Palestine, but the second

they step in Gaza, they will literally get decapitated.

So I want to just immediately interject here and say that.

I don't, that may be true in the West, but that's not why the US is sending

carriers to the region, because the entire combined Arab and Muslim world is far more the reason why

Palestinians have support than whoever you're talking about so this is a complete deflection

This is just some internal political nonsense of

US domestic politics. It's not relevant to the conflict whatsoever

And whatsoever if those were the only people supporting the Palestinians, the Palestinians would

not exist anymore. So there's no need to talk about them.

And I'll just say that the source that that was the case, that these IDF soldiers and Americans

were killed, was it actually came from former President Donald

Trump's senior advisor to the Pentagon, a man, they try to make Secretary of Defense.

That's Colonel Douglas McGregor.

And he's the source on that.

So take it up, I guess, with the Pentagon, if you have a

problem with that source.

But he was the one that said that those soldiers were killed, actually.

So you're maybe XIDF, reserve is not on base, whatever, but that's what the officials in Washington have

to say.

That was not yesterday night, though.

Or...

Does McGregor actually work for the Pentagon?

I kind of suspect that's not true.

Like I just said, he was the President Donald Trump's senior advisor to the Pentagon.

You know what's funny? You're Republican. You must be a big Trump supporter, but Trump is such a big support of Israel.

I'm actually a communist.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense now.

So what do you think about this Hamas invasion?

I mean, I think that, I think that, you know, it was to be expected.

And I think that everything that Israel's putting out right now surrounding, raped babies,

beheaded babies, it's a bunch of bogus, there's no evidence, there's no proof.

It's all a bunch of Zionist lies.

And Israel's going to, if they provoke a full air conflict and if they provoke Iran

They're going to get absolutely crushed

Yeah, so there's actually so much evidence out there

You just don't want to you just don't want to believe it. I mean, could say the same. I have videos. I have

videos if you want me to if you actually want me to send them to you. I don't

post them because I'm pretty sure they violate terms of service. But I want to

ask does Hamas have a plan? Is this Hamas plan? Do they have a plan? I think I want to briefly try to answer that

and say that you have to understand that the war never ended. So when you say do

they have a plan, the plan is the emancipation and liberation of their own

people because Gaza is an open-air prison and

they have not just been living willy-nilly attending to their business.

They can't live in Gaza.

It's not hospitable to in the long-term any real human life.

Don't the Egyptians control one side of that prison gate?

But here's the problem with that.

Assume the Egyptians allow all the people of Gaza to evacuate to Egypt.

Now you have an ethnic cleansing where they cannot return to their homes.

Why should they seed their homes, even if they're living in intolerable conditions,

to a foreign occupier?

Let's put this in American terms for all the American.

Hold on, hold on, you have to shut up for a side.

Yeah.

Let's put this in American terms for all the American patriots here.

Let's say a foreign power came and occupied your neighborhood and said, you have to flee

and you have to evacuate and you're never allowed to come back to your home and we're creating

a new state instead.

How many patriotic Americans would rather die for their land, let alone sit and suffer

and continue to fight, then evacuate and leave with their tail between their legs?

All American patriots can understand the sacred duty to defend your

homeland because life is not just about defending your biological subsistence.

It's about defending your right to existence which includes a far more broader category of human dignity,

of civilization and culture than just subsisting and smoking pot and watching pornography

and being the kind of Nietzschean last man.

So don't sit here and tell me that

the people of Gaza should instead of fighting flee to Egypt or Jordan or

somewhere else. That is their home and they have a sacred right to defend their

homeland. I never said that though.

I'm just addressing the notion that it's prison because it has walls and people can't

travel past those walls and that Egypt does control one of those walls.

That does not equate to, okay, everyone who lives in Gaza

needs to now go to Egypt and... Okay, well to be clear, it's not just a prison because they're confined.

It's also a prison because they are deprived of access to the basic amount of goods and services

befitting of an not just modern developed country but just a country period.

So yes it's a prison.

Yes they're being choked out to rot and die in decay. Is Egypt complicit in this

deprivation? The Egyptian government is complicit in it because it's sold out to the Zionists

and to the imperialists. That doesn't mean Egypt is just as illegitimate as the fake state of Israel, but it

does mean that the Egyptian government has sold out both the Egyptian people

and the Palestinian people and the Arab people as a whole to Israel. Nobody sits

here and thinks of Egypt as a pillar of the

resistance in the region. They sold out a long time ago when Sadat signed his treaty with the

Israelis. So I don't know what you're talking about when you're talking about, oh, is Egypt

complicit? Sure they are. The way you made it sound, I would assume that they are

but they are only complicit in so far as they are an accomplice of the Zionist project.

Where there no Zionist project whatsoever, we wouldn't be talking about accomplices.

This is like asking, are some Capos complicit in the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews?

Yes, they are complicit.

But were it not for the criminal acts

of the Nazis, we wouldn't be talking about Nazi accomplices. So this is the

comparison you're bringing. Bringing up Egypt is completely irrelevant here.

I don't think it is because, you know, we have Egypt to one side, we have Israel to the other,

we have the sea on another side.

Now I understand that they only have access to three miles out, that that's correct, right? Which is it

that's a talking point that if I were a Gossam, you know, I'd be talking about

you know getting maybe a little bit more than three miles out, but assuming that

they had a normal maritime border,

what would the difference be?

What do you think they needed?

Who is depriving them?

Why should the Egyptians be expected to bring in two million Dazans.

That's my question.

Nobody said that.

Well, yeah, you are.

You're saying that it's not an open-air prison

because they have a border with Egypt.

No, I'm saying that you could get goods in from the sea.

You can't get goods in because Israel's bombing the Rafa cross. That may be the sea. You can't get goods in because Israel's bombing Rafa, the Rafa

cross. That may be the case right now, but you know, but they're not, you know, they're not, you know,

I mean, they're able, they are able to get stuff in. They have been able to get stuff in. A mosque doesn't appear to be investing in infrastructure.

No sane insurance company is going to insure a ship to try and bring in aid through the

sea right now.

I mean, that would just be ludicrous.

No one's going to insure that.

So no ships are going to be entering, you know, on the coastline.

And the Rafa crossing is being bombed by Israel.

Egypt, you know, they shouldn't be expected to bring in 2 million Gossans, and the

Gosons shouldn't be expected to you know leave

their Palestinian land so yes it is it is a prison and I don't see why.

Okay here's the question. Jackson's Hawes okay let's say let's say

say Gaza kept the same border.

Same border, they didn't have to leave.

How do we make it not a prison?

The existence of the Zionist entity is incompatible as it stands. I mean, the demand is a return to the 67 borders as a

minimum of the creation of a Palestinian state. This is also Hamas's demand at

the present. If you don't do that we can't there's nothing else to talk about that is what that's the water

goods and services or anything like that at all is it the it of course it is it

attests to the illegitimacy of the criminal Zionist state that they have to resort to these

anti-human means just in order to exist. In order for the Zionist project to be

fulfilled, there has to be such a human toll. There has to be such a cost to the

detriment of human toll. There has to be such a cost to the detriment of human life and dignity.

So when we point out the crimes of the Zionist state of all these things that they're doing,

it's proof.

It's proof.

The Zionist founding documents where it says that.

I have seen Hamas' founding documents where it says they want I have seen Hamas as founding documents

where it says they want to kill all the Jews, but where in the where in these

quote-unquote Zionist founding documents does it say what you're talking

about man? It is a inevitable consequence that the Zionist had 100% for knowledge of, of establishing a Zionist

state and they knew it before any Zionist state was established.

Superpowers, they have a time machine, how did they know?

Because it doesn't take two and two to put together, in the midst of all the conflicts they had with the local era population as well.

That they are not going to be able to realize the state they want to,

unless it comes to the detriment of the people already living there.

And they were fully aware of that.

Why haven't they've been bombing Palestine constantly

for the last 15 years, like they have the last couple weeks?

They can't afford to. Each one of those, just to put in perspective, each one of the iron dome missiles that

Israel launches up is being fired against a Hamas missile that probably cost a couple

hundred bucks to make.

Each one of those...

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Each one of those iron dome missiles that Israel launches up, they're really cool, they

dance, they talk to each other, they can spin around and target you know

Hamas missiles but those cost two million dollars so it's a two million

dollar missile going up maybe a thirty thousand dollars bro. That's what I'm

saying if the Jews were really wanting to kill them they would just they would

just be using cheap weapons they'd be turning their urine into urea

nitrate and they'd be making cheap bombs and they'd be... They do make cheap bombs, they do make

cheap weapons, they make them out of water pipes in mud huts basically. They do, they do do that.

That's the reason. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that Israelis have

stuff made of water pipes and mud huts? Israel? No, you idiot. Obviously the Gazans,

there's countless videos of this. But I was talking about Israel. If Israel really wanted to kill them,

they wouldn't just use fancy weapons.

They'd use cheap weapons.

The reason why they can't use cheap weapons is because already with the $2 million missiles,

they can't stop Hamas rockets from entering their airspace.

Even with that, if they had cheap weapons, if Israel had to...

Yeah, but they can fly over and bomb.

Listen, if Israel had to attempt to exist without U.S. financing and the laundering of billions and billions of dollars each and every year,

Israel would cease to exist immediately.

Hold on, I have to address the absurdity of what's being said.

You're somehow implying that the reason Israel builds more expensive bombs

is because these bombs have safety measures

which prevent more civilian casualties.

No, the opposite is true.

The reason their bombs are more expensive is because you need more expensive bombs to kill

more people per capita.

I mean, economically speaking.

So the idea, oh, why does an Israel build cheaper bombs?

Because they wouldn't be able to kill as many people as they are if they had those cheaper

bombs.

It's that simple.

Haas, quick question.

You really don't think that Israel would be able to wipe out

two million people right now if they really wanted to? No no I I believe they

could but not without being wiped out the same day because every single Muslim

country would invade us every

Every make it look like you know some there's no there's no no one will buy that no one's gonna buy that no one's gonna buy that

Yeah, who's gonna say you're gonna investigate a new a nuke site if if the Zionist entity, listen, if the Zionist entity decided to wholesale kill all 2 million

people, they would be wiped off the face of the earth the same day by every single Muslim

country, not because those Muslim governments want to do it, because

their people would force them.

There would be no Israel to speak of the same day, and America couldn't prevent it either.

You cannot hold back the wrath of one million, one billion people.

You can't do it, okay?

Don't care how much nuclear weapons you have. So

called Israel would not exist the same day. So that's why they don't do this.

They're they know better. They're smarter than to do this. If they could get

away with that, they would do it in a heartbeat. You know, they're not doing this for humanitarian reasons every not only do they circumvent every opportunity to be humanitarian where they can

They go out of their fucking way to be cruel and sadistic in their response. So the idea that they're just holding back

because they're such good people, this is nonsense. This is total nonsense.

Okay, what about the Palestinians in Israel right now that are in Tel Aviv? Why they

concentrating them into Gaza or the West Bank? Itthen they should be the same way because Israel would lose even more face than it has

Around the world and nobody would tolerate nobody would tolerate that nobody would turn a blind eye to that

Not even it's not even it's not even just the Muslim and Arab world at

that point. I mean, the real international community, Israel become a pariah state

immediately. I mean like, well you do realize that the

Palestinians right now that are living in Tel Aviv and Herzliya and Rana, you realize that the Palestinians right now that are living in Tel Aviv and Herzlia

and Ranana, you realize that they are against what Hamas is doing and they are actually

are for what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

That's a, A, that's not true.

B, dude, I'm literally here right now.

You're gonna tell me it's not true. B, B's not the... Dude, I'm literally here right now.

You're going to tell me it's not true.

B.B.

There is no way of knowing whether that would be true or not, because Israel has criminalized

being even ideologically, not only being ideologically in favor of Hamas, but just consuming

Hamas propaganda will land you in prison now.

So you wouldn't know if it was true.

I promise they wouldn't be telling you or anyone you know or anything that could be detected

by the Israeli government.

So you wouldn't know.

Right now.

Thirdly, right now. I'm t're literally right now right now I'm right now

right now my address in front of yeah you're in you're in Israel so right now as

we sit here and do the space the Zionist terrorists are currently launching the

single largest raid on the West Bank since

this whole thing began October 7th.

The crazy thing about that is they claim they're fighting Hamas, but Hamas is not even

in the West Bank.

So why would they be doing that?

It makes no sense. It is about this collective punishment of the West Bank. So why would they be doing that? It makes no sense. It is

about this collective punishment of the Palestinian people and stealing their land and imprisoning

and torturing them. Hamas is actually in Janine, bro.

Like I don't know what you're saying.

Like, Hamas is in Janine.

Is in Janine, they're in Shreem, they're in Ramallah.

Like, I have, like, you guys have, it seems like you guys have never been to Israel.

It's crazy.

There is no serious fighting contingency of Hamas in these regions.

And we all know that the majority of the people in Gaza support Hamas.

That's where Hamas's bases, that's where their fighting forces are.

The idea that they would go and they've already massacred 100 plus civilians in the West Bank since this began,

it's simply about the further repression and terrorization of these people.

They've massacred 100 plus terrorist, not civilians.

You gotta change the words, Jackson.

So are women and children terrorists?

If a 15-year-old is holding a gun, yes, 100% of terrorists.

What about the four-year-olds in Gaza that they bombed?

No, they're not terrorists.

But unfortunately, you can't be using them as human shields.

But what about, how are they using them as a human shield?

As they admitted yesterday, they admitted that they targeted the family of the Al Jazeera

journalists.

They said, yeah, we knew his family was there.

We generally know who we're targeting, obviously not 100%.

I mean, even better yet, what right do you have to call Hamas terrorists then if it's the Zionist

entity that's using the so-called Israeli civilians as human shields?

Well, Hamas, if they really wanted the bombing to stop, I think that they would release

the hostages.

Because as long as they have them, if Israel doesn't, if Israel doesn't want any of this

to happen, they should just give a Palestinian state to these people and free all the people that they've in prison.

Yeah, I think you're overlooking the fact that by every standard of international law,

Israel is an occupying power.

So that's the first thing.

The second thing is if they release the hostages right now,

they lose all leverage, period. They lose every deterrent.

The reason, one of the big factors in the inability for the IDF to wage a ground invasion

is those hostages.

Second of all, all of the thousands of people, I'm even more

than that, of Palestinians being held in prisons in so-called Israel, many of

whom are there unlawfully, they want an exchange. So let's not pretend this

isn't the middle of a war. War is ugly. Hostage-taking of civilians. It's a

horrible, ugly business, but it's war. And the war, we have to understand the

factors behind it and why it's happening before we can lay claim of a moral judgment on one person or the other.

So according to you, kidnapping a six-month-old baby is perfectly fine, right?

It is a hideous consequence of a hideous war, and you're only looking at one side of that war.

That's the problem.

Does that standard apply to both sides, though?

No, it doesn't, because one side is an aggressor, one side is an unjust and unlawful entity and the other side are people

fighting for their homeland and fighting for their people to be free so no it's

not the same. I mean that sounds like a civil case that should be worked out in

court somewhere. If it was if it was if it was possible that this could be worked out in any court of law

whatsoever that held to any consistent standard of any kind whatsoever

There would be no Zionist state because it wouldn't have been able to have been established in the first place

during the nineteen thirties when the importation of jewish immigrants by the

british empire

was violating even woodrow willsons in the league of nations notion of the

national right to self-determination

if there was any court of law whatsoever to litigate

the existence of the state of Israel, there would be no state of Israel. And it is

precisely the fact that there is no such court that the Palestinian people

have to resort to the means that they're currently employing. So does that mean that Israel now has to resort to the means that they're currently employing?

The fact that they're doing that proves that how illegitimate that stayed in the project

behind it was to begin with. They're the ones who set

upon creating this illegitimate illegal state and the fact that they need to

employ all of these criminal barbaric means to defend it proves that its

creation was never justified from the very beginning.

Well you know from the very beginning.

Well you know whatever the status of their state is be one thing or the other, as long

as Hamas is holding those hostages, the guys with the planes and the bombs have all the

justification they need.

In their head, of course, but as Americans, because

me and Jackson are Americans, what we're really practically, of practical significance

we want to get home is, we're not advocating for America to come and dissolve the state of Israel,

because the organic and indigenous

regional forces will do that on their own.

We are saying that there is no reason, no reason whatsoever, not a moral reason, not an

ethical reason, not even an ideological reason, and certainly not a material reason,

why the United States should be involved in this whatsoever.

There is no reason whatsoever.

Every argument about Israel being a victim and being under attack is nonsense, and I've

already demonstrated that. So given these facts,

it is a criminal robbery of the American people that even a single cent is sent to the Middle East

to support this criminal and illegitimate entity.

And if American tax dollars cease flowing, then the criminal Zionist project will no longer

be able to perpetuate itself and we will see historical justice be done and the establishment

of a Palestinian state.

So basically if we turn our back on Israel, they'll kill them.

No, that's not necessarily true.

What they will kill is a criminal and illegitimate system, just like the ANC killed the system of apartheid in South Africa.

Not necessarily all the white people in South Africa, but the criminal, racist, and illegitimate

state called Israel will indeed cease to exist. And it will cease to exist one way or another.

This cannot continue forever. It will collapse. It's just not tenable. How many lives you think

that will cost? I don't think the people living in quote-unquote Israel are going to in mass numbers give

their lives to protect this veins.

I mean already they're leaving in mass numbers.

Yes, we already have the answer to that.

You have some homemade rockets being fired towards Tel Aviv and already you have the mass

flocking of these people who it's not their land. That's the reason why they're leaving because they're not willing to give their lives for it.

They're already leaving and going back. They're already leaving and going back,

they're already leaving and going back to Berlin and Warsaw

wherever they were living prior.

And we all know that's the fact

because everyone knows someone who lives in Israel.

And there are a bunch of people

who frankly don't have any

grounds any roots in the land. So the idea that we should be continuing to fund

Israel, nine billion dollars every year, 14 billion dollars just this past week.

There's nothing beneficial that comes of this as an American. So you pose the

question, what will happen to Israel then? Frankly, I don't care what happens to Israel. I

really don't. Why should I care as an American whether or not design this project continues

or whether or not it ends? I mean, I don't care.

I want zero foreign aid to Israel, defund Israel.

We all know what's going to happento that.

I don't care.

Pause, do you care if Israel continues?

As an American, absolutely not.

Now I come from an Arab background with an Arab family,

so I do understand the sentiment of the people in that region.

But am I going to put that before America? No.

So just as an American, just that alone, I am outraged how much

we have sacrificed the interests of the country we live in of our people, the American

people, to perpetuate this vain and ridiculous project of Zionism.

So I'm playing out what you guys just said in my head here, and I'm trying to figure

out what what do you think happens when the peaceful, pacifist people that live in Israel all leave, like you guys described,

and all that's left is those that are willing to fight?

They form a government, they govern on their own, they take the land and they are able to live on their own without having to rely on aid.

No, I'm talking about the only Jews left in Israel still fighting for the state of Israel are the ones that want to fight and they no longer have

to worry about their loved ones that are past the same piece the same thing

that happens in every single war some sort of a peace settlement is made and

then those who want to stay will stay I, you just saw the hostages this week.

You had two grandma hostages that were released by Hamas

and they had tea and cookies together

and she shook his hand, the Hamas fighter's hand

before she left.

I mean, no one wants to live in a constant state of war. And frankly, most of the

only Israelis, most of these Israelis that are currently living on the land, I mean, I'm

sure a lot of them wants the full eradication of the Palestinian people and this problem to just go away.

And who's going to vote against them when the peaceful pacifist Israelis leave?

Well, you're operating under, you're operating under the assumption that, look, put it this way I don't believe that the

people living in Israel whether they're on the right or the left will die for

the Zionist project in the last instance I don't believe it I don't believe

when they're cornered against the wall I think they will choose a peace settlement

and choose to survive rather than drag out a war they know they can't win.

And by the way, they won't be allowed to drag that war out. Why?

Because at that point, we are going to see an intervention of international powers to

mediate an agreement of some kind, perhaps the UN or something else.

Because the Arab support for Hamas seems rather superficial from my perspective.

A lot of, you know,

Well, which Arabs are you referring to? Are you referring to governments or are you referring to populations?

Because the only reason you're seeing the lips service in favor of the Palestinian people from the King of Jordan and from other Arab leaders is because of pressure from the Arab population.

So that's the reason they even have any support for the Palestinians whatsoever is because

of the people, not the governments.

So if you want to ask your average Arab in any country, whether they sympathize with Hamas

or they support Hamas, the answer is a

resounding yes with two thumbs-up.

And I agree with you based upon what I've seen over the last couple weeks, that that is

the perspective, or at least the consensus.

But let me ask this, how many of them are willing to show up to Gaza

and die for Palestine?

None.

Most of them.

Most of them.

There are people in it.

There are thousands of fighters in Iraq who are going to the golan heights right now in preparation for a war with

israel

many of whom do imagine they're gonna die for it anybody anybody that wants to be a

martyr it seems like could show up to gaza right you don't you don't understand

okay i'm gonna explain to you something You seem to not understand the region.

You think that these states that were created by Sykes Pico

are represent people's identity in the last instance,

and it doesn't.

So there's the Arab cause.

There's the Muslim cause.

And this is what people actually care about.

This is why Hezbollah fighters were willing to go and die in Syria, even though they weren't Syrians.

Okay? This is why Iranians are in Iraq helping them fight against ISIS.

This is the form of regional solidarity that exists, which goes beyond the borders that

exist.

So if you want to ask me, in the final instance, will Arabs go?

I mean, the Taliban is saying they're willing to go and fight.

Pakistanis are willing to go and fight. Pakistanis are willing to go and fight.

This, the form of solidarity that exists in that region is ancient. This goes back to the

pre-modern, very large empires and civilizations that existed where the borders we see now

didn't exist. These were one people in one civilization with differences of

course you had the Safavid Persians and the Ottoman Turks but it was a far

more integrated region than what you're seeing now, and that

integration is going to rear its head one way or another in the future.

I'll also say that just this past week, Hamza-Chamaev, the Dagestanian fighter from Russia.

He won his UFC bout and he's a star of the UFC.

He literally said in his post-fight statement when he won he said,

I wasn't born to wear little shorts and fight in a cage.

I was born to go and defend my greater cause,

go and defend my brothers in Palestine

and die if I have to.

He said he's asking Robzon Kedirov for his blessing

to go fight for the people of Gaza.

So there's a lot of people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this all across

the world.

And I guess I just put the question forward one more time.

Why is an American should I give a fuck about Israel and whether or not it exists?

Well, Jackson, that's for you to wrestle with on your own, but I have to ask.

No, no, no, it's not. It's really not because you're saying that we should go defend them and we should continue to supply

well I'm saying I'm saying that we are Jackson that we you know America just okay

let's speak in terms of responsibility and ask the following question in terms of American self-interest, is it smart that we

antagonize the entire Muslim world in the name of defending Israel? What is it

better for America to have good relations with the entire Muslim world or to

have sour relations with the entire world.

Is the so-called state of Israel worth losing all of that?

Just from the perspective of self-interest.

Don't...

I don't...

Yeah.

Talk, here's the thing.

No, no, please answer the question.

From the perspective of American self-interest,

is it wiser to have good relations

with the entire Muslim world,

or is it wiser to have horrible relations

with the entire Muslim world in the name of defending

this vain artificial and synthetic project called Israel.

Which is, which is wiser?

You have to choose one.

Well, you know, of course we want to have good relations with everybody.

You know, but we heard there was a fight going on and we sent in aircraft carrier groups and all that now I hear

I incorrect

Should anyone take responsibility for that is there any responsibility or are we going to treat it like a force of nature where there's no responsibility on anyone's

part?

Well, that's like, where is, where, where, where, like the United States hasn't propped

up Israel's entire military and government for decades and just saying, oh, they just sent

to US, you know,

care strike groups over there. No, I mean, Israel would not be, you know,

it would not exist today if it were not for the US military support each and

every year. So why do you think that the US should piss off the entire Arab world who controls a lot

of the world's oil resources and gas resources and, you know, do all of this and send all

of our money and weapons over there and potentially start a world war for something as ridiculous

as Israel.

I don't care about Israel.

Why do you care so much about Israel?

The same question could be posed to the Arab world.

Why do they want to fracture the relationship over this over this?

Well I can answer that as an Arab I guess I can answer that because the form of solidarity

that you see in that world or again it's like the solidarity I as a Michigander would have to people in Idaho.

Okay?

It's one civilization.

It's not like these are people who are alien to each other.

It's one people.

The borders you see in the Middle East don't really reflect actual differences of the civilization.

They were created in Sykes-Pico by Western colonial powers, and for a thousand years you had a integrated region.

There was no such, there was no sense of a difference between

each other. So that's solidarity, that's an organic solidarity. The solidarity

America, or our politicians at least, have toward the so-called State of Israel

and the Zionist project project doesn't make any sense.

What is organic about that solidarity? Nothing. What do we have in common with the so-called

state of Israel? What real civilizational tie do we have to them?

I mean...

So I ask the question one more time, Benjamin, you live in Texas.

Why do you think that we should be sending tens of billions of dollars in military aid

and weaponry over to Israel?

And why do you think we should piss off the whole Arab world and you know nuke

ourselves based on resource wealth just to protect Israel?

Why do you care about doing all of this for Israel as an American?

You know, Jackson, I realize we're all Americans here. I'm a Texan, as you pointed out, and I guess as a Texan, you know, turn in my back, you know, while these guys get killed off, just doesn't seem like a very Texan thing to do.

Just doesn't. So you think so as an American, you say you don't want to see people die.

But I mean, you guys made it pretty clear that, you know, they're going to cease to exist if we turn our backs on them.

So as a text, most of these I'm not turning my back on them.

You know what I'm saying?

Like you can bring the whole world.

World War three world war four ain't happen.

I'm not turning my back on.

Okay. So you guys can tell them. Okay. So you're gonna you. for I'm going to call for the bombing to stop. Wait, isn't Hamas right now claiming that in exchange for a ceasefire and a secession to the bombings, they'll release all of the hostages?

Aren't they saying that right now?

No, I don't know what Hamas is put in writing and what they haven't.

They never said such a thing.

They don't say that.

Pull up the evidence.

Okay, I will.

It was the it was the Hamas leader guy.

He said it in an interview just the other day.

Sky News.

Yep, it was the Sky News interview where he says he offers a release of the hostages

in exchange for an end to the bombardment. It's amazing when white nationalists align with

Islamic fundamentalists. It's a beautiful thing to watch and see. And just to answer your

question, but it's an incredible thing to see evangelical Christian

fundamentalists align with Zionists. That's also pretty baffling. It's pretty

fucking baffling to see actual neo-nazis from the Asov battalion ally

with Zionists. I think that's also a curious alliance.

Give the guy some runway. He just got here. I've been listening to you guys for a while.

He gets talked a whole lot of nonsense. America supports Israel, right?

Because America supports its self-interest. And you could, you could, is that the self-interest

of the billionaire class? Is that the self-interest of the Wall Street parasites or is it the

self-interest of the average Joe living in East Palestine, Ohio? You could

giggle all you want, right? In the end of the day, America serves American

interests, right? And they stand with Israel because Israel serves America's interest.

How? When it comes to technology, when it comes to innovation, when it comes to military

inventions, there's nothing like it on the planet. There's not a group of people that per capita...

I have to put an end to this nonsense. We all know that the so-called state of Israel...

This is why, this is why, right, your whole Palestinian lie falls apart because it's

predicated on the so-called tech capital of Israel you say you say the so-called

Israel exists right now it doesn't doesn't exist yeah Why are you crying for the people of Gaza?

I'm not crying. You're gonna be crying and you're gonna be crying in five years. I'm not gonna be crying.

You know what doesn't exist?

Palestine doesn't exist, nor did it ever exist.

Yeah, that does.

Really? Who is the leader? did it ever exist? Rat does. It's, you know, really?

Yeah.

Uh, Palestine exists.

Name me, maybe three famous Palestinian people.

I have a question for Sadie.

I have a question.

So Zidi, where are you, uh, where are you currently located just roughly?

I'll be Canada.

Okay, so.

Okay, there we go.

The Canadian, there we go.

Why don't you have Canada go die for Israel?

Why do Americans have to go die for the stupidest country?

No, no, no, they have for Americans to die for Israel. America. That's what they're going to have to go die for this stupidest country? Nobody asks for Americans to die for Israel.

That's what they're going to have to be doing if we get dragged into a regional conflict.

Well, listen, America has no issues getting dragged into regional conflicts.

I think the American people do.

I think the American people do. I think the American people do, but that's the difference. I think the American people do.

I think the American people do have a problem with that, actually.

So there's already 12,000 men and women on the two U.S.

carrier strike groups in the Eastern Mediterranean right now.

So why do you think that we as Americans

or Canada for that matter who just hosted an actual Waffenesse soldier in their government

parliament a few weeks ago? Why do you think that any of us should care about the future and the existence of Israel because I'm

trying to wrap my head around this as an American I don't care if Israel

exists. Well clearly wait wait wait wait you said you said something about the

self-interest of Israel's technological advancements. By the way, technological

advancements that wouldn't be occurring if we didn't fund them. Israel would not

even exist if we didn't fund them and provide them with military. That's not true.

In 1948, in 1948, America had an embargo on Israel.

They gave them no support.

The support came in the 60s.

I'm not talking about 1948.

That's not even true.

Israel, the United States was the first country to grant the juror recognition.

You guys have a title, right?

Exposing Zionist.

Well, guess what?

I'm a proud Zionist.

The proud of Zionist, you'll probably have a meet, right?

And I'm here to have a conversation and we could talk.

But it seems like you'd rather have a Hamas echo chamber right you want to

you want to sit on Hamas echo chamber why you want to sit on Hamas's lap

rather than have a question I asked you a question I'm giving you an

opportunity to explain yourself why should America shoot ourselves in the foot and

piss off the whole Arab world and dump our military supplies out for this fake country and

Cut ourselves off from chief energy

You're talking about you talking about first of all, America, America, I'm asking, I'm asking

a question. Why should we, why should we do all of that if it literally doesn't matter

to any single American whether or not Israel exists?

So again, it's a very long-winded question with a lot of points, but I'll try to answer

it as best as they can.

America serves its interest.

Again, secondly, there are American hostage.

Again, you got to have...

You know, we're going to simplify the question.

How is it in America's self-interest to support Israel?

Very quickly, go ahead.

So currently, it's America's self-interest to support American citizens and do what they

can to help American citizens.

There are dozens of American citizens that are currently being held hostage by the scum of the

earth known as Hamas. Then as long as America stops if America stops funding

the Zionist criminals they'll all come home. Do you want an answer? Do you

want to have an emotional help?

It seems like you're saying this is about the hostages.

If America wants the hostages back, they can get them back.

Just stop funding Israel, you'll get the hostages back.

Good deal.

I mean, do you speak for Hamas or they put that in writing?

I mean, given that Hamas has already publicly agreed that they'll release all hostages in exchange

for an end to bombardment, I'm more than willing to believe that they will release every

single U.S. citizen in their opposition right now, as long as the US stop supporting Israel.

The Arab world, right? You at least you're being an honest Arab. And you're saying that you

get support Hamas, the scum of the earth. So at least let's have an honest conversation and

talk about how you need to stop having your zio tantrum. Yes, I'm an Arab

You're a Zionist. Do you support the baby killing Zionist criminals? You could call it you. No

You're not a Jew. You're not a Jew. I don't recognize you. You're Zionist. The Torah Jews don't

acknowledge you. The Torah Jews hate you. The Torah Jews don't claim you. I tell you what. The Torah Jews hate you.

The Torah Jews don't claim you.

You're not a Jew.

The Torah Jews don't recognize you.

You're a Zionist.

Why is it?

Because you said it's in America's self-interest

to make sure there's an Israeli state.

How is that in any way, shape or form in

America's interests to dump out all our resources, shoot ourselves in the foot,

to preserve the state of Israel? So first off, nobody is shooting anybody in the foot.

There is no need to American soldiers to get involved.

Israel, time and again, throughout every single war,

fought off four, five, six Arab armies off on its own.

Every single time, it happened in 1948, happened in 1967, happened again in 1973.

Every war the Arabs waged against the Jews, they lost time and again. They've been sore losers and

America didn't need to intervene.

Hezbollah.

Hezbollah.

Again, you see your emotional outbursts.

You can't contain.

Okay, but I.

Sorry, I just coughed. Sorry.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, we can get into the details of the previous wars if we want to.

Do you want an answer to the question?

I got to get.

Yes.

I got answered to the question, considering the fact that U.S. special forces were already

killed in their incursion a few nights ago into Gaza, you said that U.S. troops don't

need to be involved.

It's, they already are involved.

So, how is it in America's self-interest to do all this? So the people that are around Israel, right, see America as their enemy.

This is why America supports its self-interest.

Because, you know what they call Israel they call

Israel the little Satan right and who's the big Satan America because they do

show like supporting Israel again man this guy with his emotional helpers you

can't contain yourself you guys right got to understand one thing.

America only serves themselves and nobody else.

Just like you, Jackson or this guy has, you guys don't give a shit about the power.

Okay, but you're not answering the question.

You're just like being redundant.

You're saying, well, the Arab world doesn't like us.

Yes, I understand the Arab world doesn't like the US government.

They have no qualms with the American people, but they have

qualms with the American government because we're funding terrorism against

them.

So again, I'll just simply ask the question one more time.

Why is it in America's self-interest to preserve the Israeli state, even when, as you just

mentioned, continuing to do so, pisses off the Arabs?

Okay. So... so pisses off the Arabs.

Okay, so...

You gotta unmute.

I was still muted. It was glitching. The same people that wanted destroyed the state of Israel and killed the Jews, the Yahu.

They want to kill Americans. Not the government. They want to kill American citizens.

Why? What's your evidence? What's my evidence? Yeah. What happened to

Beirut bombings? You mean when there is an occupation by US troops in Beirut

directly? You guys occupied all of the Levant and all of Northern Africa, right? You guys came from Arabia.

Hold on, hold your horses.

Hold your horses.

You guys don't want to get the question.

You can't control yourself.

Hold your horses, right?

Oh, you guys are hilarious.

At least have an honest conversation.

Are you scared to have an actual debate with somebody who knows facts?

Or you only want to talk?

I am more than happy to get into, I'm more than happy to get into, okay, you seem nervous.

You seem really nervous.

Nobody's nervous. The same people don't want

to kill Jews want to kill Americans. That's not true. That's a file in nonsense. They announced

openly. The only groups that I can think of that might have that mentality are groups

like ISIS, which both Israel and the United States

armed and supported in Syria. So I'm not sure who else... You guys sound like

self-hating Americans who don't want to serve American interests and are okay

with Americans getting taken hostage by radical... I actually think it's the

highest expression of patriotism to... You guys have never heard the death to

America chance? I mean you've never heard that? Somebody post the death to

America. All right, we're having a Zio soy out. Jackson, can you mute these people very briefly so I can address this?

Um, in any case, so I can get to the point.

Done. The Zio soy out. It's just there's a guy like a whale just screaming out of nowhere.

Anyway, I think it's the highest principle of patriotism to recognize there's a difference between the interests of the American people

and the criminal ruling class that is driving us into wars and doing things that are not in the

interest of the American people.

So it's saying I'm not a patriot because I'm critical of U.S. policy, by the way, which

is in part formed by the Israel lobby, is just nonsense. Second of all, you claim that Arabs intrinsically want to kill Americans for no reason and they just want to do it.

This, I mean, does anyone buy that? That's so stupid.

Like, who would fucking believe that? Based on what?

There was a lot of anger in that region toward America, but it's specifically because of American

support for Israel. Give me a single example of Arabs in the Middle East wanting to embark on a campaign to come to America and kill Americans

whatsoever in any form before 1948.

It's such a stupid and ridiculous.

Several years ago, there was a shooter that killed Americans

in Texas.

I said before 1948.

I said before 1948.

Before 1948?

Correct.

When the so-called state of Israel was created.

America didn't really have much interest in the Middle East at that time.

Well, they were the first country to grant Dijur recognition.

Can you name me three famous so-called Palestinians prior to 1948?

Don't pivot and please, because you just said that Arabs and Muslims have an intrinsic

drive like an instinct to just come and kill as many Americans as they can, and I'm not

sure where you're getting that from.

I'll give you a prime example.

So Israel, let me, let me, let me get this straight.

Israel is protecting Americans from the crazy Arabs who want to come kill us all.

Is this the nonsense slop that you really feed?

No. Idiots in this country that actually believe that?

I asked you a question and it literally correlates directly to the question you asked.

All right, I'll tell you who was the leader of the Arabs.

Because I'll ask you who was a famous Arab or a leader, you couldn't give me one.

So I'll give you one.

Anybody could Google him.

You know what Zady can't say right now? Zady can't name three famous

Israelis that existed before 1948. He can't even... I don't know why he's going

off on the tangent. The hilarious thing. He can't even... The question...

Haz repeat the question one more time. Yeah,

it's actually really simple. Why is it in America's self-interest to support a

so-called Israel?

You got to unmute to talk.

Zay, you have...

I already told you guys several times and you guys don't want to have an honest conversation.

It's clearly a censored echo chamber. So you guys are... Okay, well you told me

that you think it's because that Arabs and Muslims are going to just come kill all Americans

because they hate Americans, because they hate our way of life, like George W. Bush said,

right? Is that the hell you're dying on right now?

Who, I never said that. Okay, so why is it our self-interest? I never, I never said

those words. What I said is the same people the one to kill Jews, want to kill

Americans, right? And you could go down in history, right?

But the end of the day, today, the same people that call for the destruction for the state

of Israel, the same Arabs call for the destruction of America.

And that is entirely because of our support for Israel. That's nonsense as well.

Then what else is the reason? There was no support of Israel that had to do with them being

in Afghanistan or Iraq. That was all America and it's own, right? There was no, no correlation with them taking out

the Taliban, the Taliban, first of all, was host. Actually, the Mujahideen, which was funded

by the United States for a long time, was gotten rid of by the Taliban, who part of the big reason they opposed the

US was because of US support for Israel actually. So can you name a single

reason why the Muslim world of the Arab world would have animosity toward the

US unless our government

is engaging in criminal acts that don't serve the interest of the American people.

I mean, why would they inherently have a problem with the American people?

You're the Arab. You tell me what's your issue with Americans?

I am American, okay? You're a Canadian. You're not even fuck. Are you the Canadian?

I'm Israeli. I was born in Israel. Okay, and you live in Canada.

So what's your point? I live in America as well. What's your point?

So you're not a fucking American. I don't have dual, uh, and loyalties like you do.

You're saying, you're identifying as an Israeli. Stop leaching off of our country and our taxes.

You're identifying as an American who's an Arab. You're just literally being a hypocrite.

Because Arab is an ethnicity.

You know why you're a hypocrite?

Because Arab is an ethnicity.

Your whole argument is predicated on lies.

You're not going to have an honest convo.

Right?

Arabs, unfortunately, and not all of them, but some of them that

have been radicalized want to kill Jews. And they call it out openly. And those...

Okay, if that's true, if there's some Arab... Sure. If there's some Arab gene that makes

them want to kill Jews, why didn't they kill Jews in Iraq at the height of the

Caliph, hold on at the height, I'm not talking about during the 1948, the 1940s, I'm talking about throughout the entire history of the Arabs and the Muslims.

Why didn't they, why were Jews allowed to rise to the rank of viziers and actual governors

in El Andlus and in Egypt and in Iraq?

Why?

The Zaynese, the Zionist Canadian believes that all Arabs want to destroy all Jews, why

did they treat the Israeli hostages so well when Hamas took them in?

And that's not for me, that's for the actual hostages that have discussed this.

So again, you guys keep asking question after question.

You muted yourself.

Zionist IQ levels can't figure out a mic. No, it's muted by a host.

So, um, you know, and you know we invented this phone that you're using, so you're welcome.

Now, you guys also invented only fans.

Don't get so big in your bridges.

Well, you love jerking off the

fucking all kinds of things right because you're sick fuck so that's okay

there's not wrong with that we don't judge you're free in America you guys

you guys listen so and American I have I have a question

you're not answering my question you're not what if Arabs want to kill all Jews, why didn't they kill the hostages? Why did they treat them so well? So again, when did he say all Arabs want to. I never said to us.

Well, you're making you're making it seem like there's some

I said there are some Arabs that are radicalized and I clearly

did so this is this is extremely this is extremely dishonest you know you

you know what right insinuating some Some people are radicalized.

Okay, but hold on.

I think that much is true.

Can you?

Okay, okay.

There are Arab Muslims currently fighting in the IDF forces to put an anti- Hamas's existence.

Let's simplify this. We have issues with radical

ideologies and fundamentalists that really care about lining their own pockets

more than serving okay okay hold on.

Right to get Hamas, Hamas, Hamas similar to Arafat,

they're all billionaires , are all billionaires.

They're all billionaires why the people suffer.

It's Israel and the Jews that care for the Palestinians.

Okay, Jackson, can you briefly nute this guy, he's just gibbering.

No, I can't get a warden.

So the thing about Hamas and FYI, if you're a Semite indigenous to the region, it's

called Hamas, you don't say Hamas, okay, that's what the Semites Indigenous to the region

pronounce it.

But in any case, I want to tell you that you said that some Arabs are radicalized where

they want to kill Jews.

Is there any example outside of the Arab-Israeli conflict that leads Arabs or Muslims in

significant numbers to have animosity toward Jews whatsoever?

Is it really because they're Jews that these Arabs or Muslims have a problem?

Or is it because they happen to be partaking in the colonial project called Israel, which

displaced and uprooted them?

Now, just like A&C had a problem

with the Boers upholding apartheid, that doesn't mean because they were white,

it means these are the people who were dispossessing them and oppressing them.

So it's not because they're Jews. If these were Finnish people who came and

established the state of so-called Israel in the same way that Jews, foreign Jews,

did, the animosity would be equal. And it's within the context of that conflict.

There's no problem Arabs or Muslims have with a Jew living

in America or Mexico or even Russia, you know, just because they're Jewish.

There's none whatsoever.

Jews coexisted with Muslims for centuries.

I asked the question to Zaydi the Zionist, why is it in America's interest to support the

existence of Israel?

And no answer was given other than Israel has a profound ability to develop technology.

That was answer number one.

Answer number two, after much prodding by myself,

was that the Arab world is pissed off at Americans

because we fund terrorism against them.

And Zady then went on with the third answer saying, many Arabs and many, many Arabs say,

death to America and death to Jews.

Not all, but many, as you said. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna debunk

that whole argument. I mean, I'm the number one man on X on Twitter right now

worldwide. By the end of the month I'll have like 8 billion impressions, millions of new followers, and pretty much

all of these are Arabs.

I'm an American and they love me because I want peace with them and I want to do business

with them.

I don't want to fund al-Qaeda or ISIS or Israeli terrorism against them.

So your whole argument is that the Arab World hates America's debunk.

They love America.

They love Americans.

They just don't love our government.

And it's up to Americans to change our government.

If Americans change our government to one that's not hostile to the Arab world, not hostile to Russia,

Russia won't hate us.

Russia will love us and will want to do business with us again.

My grandfather's fought arm and arm with the Soviet's Red Army in World War II. The Arab world will love us, they'll want to do business with us, and it won't be a hostage

relationship with these people.

And I think that's what we should all strive for.

So they hate our government, they hate the terrorism and they

hate the war and they just want peace. They don't want to kill us.

Are you sure the enemies of America don't like you because you're turning against America?

I mean, the enemies of America.

They love assaultating American.

The enemies of America is the American government.

I obviously have a massive American following as well, I'm an American patriot.

But the enemies of America are not Russia, not Putin, not Raici, it wasn't Solomon, it wasn't

any of the, it's not Bashar Assad.

It's not any of these people or groups.

The enemy of the American people is the deep state

that is pushing for war against Russia,

pushing for war via the Zionist entity in occupied Palestine.

That's the enemy of America.

So, again, talking nonsense, right?

I could debunk what you say.

Okay, debunk it.

On Russian media and Russian politicians have been tossing around the idea of preemptively

nuking the United States for the last 600 or something days.

I mean, how do you feel about that as an American?

Is Russian media the Russian government or the Russian people or

those just a few random voices? Okay so I want to just I want to add something

real quick. In the end of the day the USSR and the Soviet Union planted seeds

Americans think that the Soviet Union was destroyed and that

they won and defeated the Soviet Union. In reality, there have been seeds that

have been planted and much of the divide and issues you see in America today

are directly correlated to the

communist regimes really hijacking institutions in America and we can see

that with the sentiment of the young Americans today similar to Canadians and

it's tragic that they would rather identify as communist

rather than capitalists.

That didn't happen by accident.

That's not true.

Because let me just explain it to you.

Let me just explain it to you.

Let me just, no, no, no, because it was a dumb point. No institutions

in America are captured by communist entities because each and every one of these so-called college blue-haired LGBTQ communists would have been

lined up against the wall by Che Guevara or by Stalin and they would have done what they

would have done to them.

They're not communists.

I'm a communist.

Haas is a communist and we're fighting to bring communism to America.

Let me just tell you how you know communism is not in America.

You'll know communism is in America when a NATO entity minus the United States, Germany,

France, maybe the UK, who knows, lands on our eastern shores and wages

of war against what they will define as a communist regime that's taken over the US government.

There is no communism in America.

There's a bunch of woke, you know, woke leftism and socially woke politics.

That's not communism.

If that's communism, you know, why was the number one opponent to communists like Stalin,

Adolf Hitler, a man who was a homosexual, surrounded by homosexuals and transsexuals in Nazi Germany?

If anything, the American left, which you're defining as communist today, is far more

imblematic of Nazi Germany and their LGBTQ woe politics than Stalin or anyone else or

China for that matter.

I mean, China is vehemently anti-woke,

and they're the most successful communist state

and all of human history.

The Soviet Union was extremely anti-woke.

Communist states today are all extremely anti-woke.

There's no communist in America.

I also want to say that woke identity politics originates with Zionism in this country because

for so long any slight mild criticism of the state of Israel, they said, you're an anti-Semite,

you're an anti-semit, you're a bigot, you're the worst,

you're a Nazi.

So people started gradually just expanding outward and including more categories including

transphobia or fat phobia and stuff, but it all originated with Zionist crybabies.

Isn't that crazy?

What's crazy is all you guys do is whining, crying,

about how Jews control everything and do this and this and that.

Who said that?

You literally said Jews control everything?

Again, a hypocrite in Jackson, right? No one said Jews control everything? Again, a hypocrite in Jackson, right?

No one said Jews control everything.

Yeah, who said that?

I want to hear about this communist takeover of America.

Did you guys have envisioned?

Wait, wait, wait, I want to go back.

Who said Jews control everything?

I think Wall Street in the city of London control everything.

I don't think Jews control everything.

Well, I has just mentioned how communism has to do with the Zionist movement, which is

the...

I didn't say, when did I say communism?

I said, wokeness. I didn't say communism.

Wokeness was not tolerated in communist states. It's not tolerated in China.

It's not tolerated historically in any communist state.

So that has nothing to do with communism.

Zionism and communism are opposed. And so I don't know what you're gibbering about

Is that is that mean Putin is opposed to Israel?

Putin is not a communist

Putin literally said the worst moment in Russian history that the

USSR felt. And again you have a Russian flight but the reason why he said that

was because overnight you had millions of countries to not having a country you had millions of a country to not having a country, you had millions of people overnight go

from being a part of a single unit, a single state of single people to falling into despair

and misery and falling into governments that basically, you know, economically

raped the working class of their respective countries thereafter, the former Soviet states.

He actually explained that, but you're leaving that part out.

Putin is not a communist, although I wish he was.

And I think that it's extremely disingenuous.

They, well, I don't even want to say disingenuous.

It's just that you're historically illiterate

trying to make the argument that wokeism is the equivalent of communism.

How could you make that argument when every single communist state is vehemently opposed

and does not tolerate wokeism?

Also Israel openly brands itself as a woke country and it's so POC and gay

friendly and stuff. So let's not talk about news. If you're asking the question about Putin's

relation to Israel, it's very simple. Putin's not a communist, but he did call just this week for the establishment

of the Palestinian state. So that's what he thinks about Israel.

So again, you keep speaking nonsense. And, you know, for the people in the audience, you

can't see it, keep getting muted. That's why you guys don't want to have a genuine conversation but you can't speak

to Putin as if you know him but you know what he's talking about because you

don't even understand what it is to be Russian or the Russian ideology or the

Russian people now I've been to Russia yes I speak I speak Russian fluently. Really? So you're actually a traitor to your

homeland? You went to Larp as a Zionist? You know what's a traitor? An Arab who talks about

supporting Hamas, the same people that are oppressing Arabs. First of all, um...

That is a traitor.

What are you even...

What are you babbling about?

That's such nonsense.

Let's get back, back to the point.

Why are you, why are you a traitor to...

Jackson, you're a traitor to America? You're a trader to America?

You're a traitor to America and American ideal.

Why are you a traitor to your homeland?

Putin's already called for the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Actually, I don't know where your homeland is.

You said you're Canadian-American now you're like trying

to larp as a Russian so why are you why are you a traitor to your homeland?

Trader is somebody who claims to be an American patriot yet identifies as

communist and supports communism which is the destruction why why is that a betrayal of America

go ahead is the betrayal of America because America is a capital society based on freedom

Whereas communism is all about government control making you guys traders to American

values America also used to have slavery America used to have slavery same way

you're a trader to the Arabs you're a trader to America okay Jackson mute

this Zio babbler how was America a free country?

I've been for speaking out against my own country and its foreign policy, I've been banned

from YouTube, I've been banned from Twitch, I've been banned from Venmo, I've been banned

from PayPal, all at the advisement of the Ukrainian government's Ministry

of Digital Transformation.

How do I know that?

Because my own viewers did FOIA requests that showed that Nina Jankowicks and the Ukrainian

government were discussing my banning from these platforms and they

did end up doing it.

So how is America free, as you say, if they're censoring, their number one dissident who

is at the same time being censored by a foreign government?

That's not free.

If I was free, I mean, I was just in Russia two weeks ago and I was, you know, criticizing

Putin for not launching this SMO sooner than he did.

I was in silence, I wasn't censored, I was on Russian state TV being translated into Russian when I said it.

So I mean, I think Russia is far more free than America at this point.

It's very sad because I agree America was founded on freedoms.

My ancestors sailed here on the Mayflower.

They founded this country. They wrote the Mayflower compact. They fought in the Civil War, the Mayflower. They founded this country.

They wrote the Mayflower Compact.

They fought in the Civil War, the American Revolution, and the World War II.

So, I mean, I'm far more American than you.

I believe in freedom.

You're a traitor to your country.

I'm more of an American people.

So serving the ruling class, which is a tiny minority of Americans, doesn't mean you're

a patriot.

Repeating talking points that are funded by the ruling class doesn't mean you're an American patriot.

Any more than a slave owner during the Civil War isn't an American patriot just because

America had slavery.

Yeah, well, they're trying to get rid of it.

And we're also trying to get rid of the widespread robbery of the American people, especially in favor

of sending their money and impoverishing them so they can go fund stupid fake countries

like Israel and Ukraine.

Fake countries.

With a powerful military. big, big beautiful.

And that is not going to help it.

That's not going to help it.

That's not going to make a single difference.

It's it's actually fast.

Why don't you move to China?

Why did you go live in North Korea?

Why would I move to a different country? Why would I?

Why would I? Jackson, Jackson, Jackson, mute this guy, Jackson, mute this guy for a second.

I want to respond to this. So I'm really glad you asked that. Why don't I just move to another

country? Because unlike you, who is a globe trotter,

who seems to have no allegiance to any country whatsoever,

I actually live in America and am loyal to the American people

because I'm an American, because this is my homeland.

And I want to fight for a different system, perhaps,

or a different economic system,

but that doesn't make it any less American.

I can't just pack up my bags like you did

when you left Russia and go choose to go live

in a different fucking country just because it's part of my taste

You treat countries like a person at Walmart treats DVDs in the bargain bin store

You don't have any fucking loyalty to any country you just see them as a matter of taste. Oh, I'm gonna go pack up my things and go live in this country because I prefer it.

Yeah, well, countries aren't in a marketplace.

It's not a matter of consumption.

Country is a matter of...

You're willing to make up a...

Mutu is bad boy. How do you, how do you... How do you... country is a you're willing to make up you're willing to make up a kind of wait

I'm not finishing yeah mute does not make one point guys yeah yeah so so this idea

that I'm decided see you went and and fled to so called Israel precisely because

it's a fake and gay country.

It's not a real country.

The fact that you treat countries in this way is proof of the Zionist mentality not being

commensurate with an organic respect for the reality of nations and countries. But go ahead. Okay so here's

the thing right so the point you just made has about... You got on me. Okay the point

you just made has about how people don't want to leave their country

applies just as well to the Israelis.

You seem to be under the assumption that the Israelis are all migrants from other countries.

They are not.

The vast majority of Israelis were born in Israel at this point.

So it's the only country they know.

They are speakers of Hebrew and the idea that like why should they be forced to leave?

That's their country. That's my point.

Well, first of all, just living there doesn't mean it's your country.

Second of all, South African Boers also grew up in apartheid South Africa,

and that doesn't justify that the state of apartheid South Africa must continue to exist.

So I don't see your point. I don't see

Israel as a real country. I see people living in that country who have no

commonalities with each other. I mean I people who tell me who've been to that

so-called state tell me that people are very rude, they're not very civilized

with each other because they have nothing in common because they don't have

this sacred sense of bonds with each other because they're from all over the

fucking world from a million different countries and they don't coexist in

any real way. They just go there and they subsist, and the only thing you have in common is religion.

Well, that doesn't make a nation, that doesn't make a country.

That doesn't define the sacred roots becoming of a country.

Even America, a nation of immigrants.

No matter where you are, when you come to America, everyone assimilates

somehow in the sense of pursuing a similar American dream, and this is what unites us.

This is what makes us one people at the very minimum. Israel, quote-unquote, has nothing like that.

It's a completely fake, synthetic country,

and nothing holds it together except pure military force and nothing else.

If the Israeli government collapsed,

there would be no basis for any Israeli state at all.

It wouldn't be created again.

Chinese dynasties have come and gone for thousands of years,

and there's always been China.

It's there because it's from the people.

That's not true for the Zionist project.

It's a synthetic artificial country that relies on America. Read the Torah, read the Bible, read

the Quran and see how what you're saying is literally blasphemy and goes against all

beliefs.

Israel has been there for thousands of years.

The kingdom of Judea, the place and homeland for the Jews, has been

there based on all Abrahamic faith.

Hold on, if that was true, if that was true, if there was any continuity, if there was

any continuity.

If you go against it, you're a self-hater, that's what you are.

That denies history.

When you take Israel, you find Israeli artifacts, Jewish artifacts.

You don't find artifacts by a Maple-leaf place called Palestine that never existed.

And the only descendants in that region before the so-called creation of the state of Israel and Zionism,

organically who had civilizational continuity with those kingdoms are the Palestinians not people who came from Europe in 1930

I thought they're Arab I thought they're Arab

Can I make one more by the Arab? Are they not Arabs?

Arab identity encompasses all of the

Levantine Samarit.

Where was that?

Was that in the Levantine Semites. Where is the Arabia? The kingdom of Arabia?

Where was that?

Can I mean?

Just one point.

Just one point.

You seem to be confused about what an Arab means.

The Arabs encompass the Canaanite people, all these other Egyptian people.

Really? Why are Egyptians in Arab? Why are Egyptians? Canaanite people all these other Egyptian people really?

Why are Egyptians in?

Why do you think Egyptians are Arab?

Do you think they Arabized a whole group of people?

Well, what do you think Arabization means?

Do you think Arabization means a complete replacement of the original population?

Yeah. It really does. No, boy, it doesn't. means a complete replacement of the original population?

Yeah.

No, boy, it doesn't. The same people who lived on that land lived there before Islam.

Yes, they did.

What was the Christian population prior to Islam coming?

What is the now?

And they converted to Islam as the same people dumb as.

All right, one take, let's assume, pause, I want to make a point, let's assume for the sake of argument that you are correct on those two points.

You are correct. One, that Israel is entirely synthetic, not a real country, and like doesn't have a legitimate claim.

And two, you are correct that, you know, the Arab claim is legitimate, whatever.

Okay, the Israelis don't agree with you, right? Like the Israeli people do not agree with you.

That's actually a real people with a common language

that isn't spoken anywhere else. The common understanding of their history going back to the 47

forged in the understanding of constantly having to defend themselves against invaders.

They don't think so. So they're not going anywhere. This isn't

like the French and Algeria where the people in Algeria can just go back to

France, that they don't really, you know, Israel is its own country. I don't think

so. I think even when you look at, for example, 1947 and 67 and this kind of stuff, since

since the 1980s, since the 1980s, since the 1980s, there isn't a lot of real

belief in Zionism as an ideology among people living in Israel who are just living there

casually.

This is not something they're willing to die for.

It's not an ideal they actually believe and it's actually something they're very cynical

about and it's just kind of a pragmatic thing.

I'm just kind of living here to have fun or just to get by and it's

really this kind of Nietzian last man kind of nihilistic consumeristic

existence that they're living in. So I completely disagree with you that they

have this strong sense of national identity and that they're a part of this

country but even if they did even if they did if they were a real country if they're a part of this country. But even if they did, even if they did,

if they were a real country, it would have to withstand a certain test. The test of being

able to integrate in the region that they're in. And they have failed to do that. They are continuing

to fail to do that. and it looks like, look, is it

necessarily going to be the case that all of the people who immigrated there are going

to have to be kicked out and leave?

I couldn't tell you.

I don't think that's necessarily true, though.

I think, for example, organizations like the PFLP that work with Hamas, they don't think that's necessarily true though. I think for example organizations like the PFLP that work with Hamas, they don't believe that. They believe in one state for both Arabs

and Jews, period. And it's not going to be Israel, it's going to be a state that respects

the rights of all people. So I couldn't I couldn't tell you what it's

gonna I don't I don't think it's realistic if you ask me from the perspective

from from the perspective from could you let me answer man from the perspective of

realism one last thing I don't think it's plausible that every single person who descended from immigrants

in the current territory encompassed by occupied Palestine will have to pack up and leave.

I don't think that's realistic. But I couldn't tell you. I couldn't predict the future. I just don't think it's realistic.

Well, I want to answer two points, right? The first is the idea that Zionists don't have

real Zionist feeling anymore. And the second is the idea that they haven't gotten a chance

to integrate, right?

Those are two big arguments, right?

They haven't successfully integrated.

Okay?

So first, on the Zionist point, I think,

I don't think you're correct,

and I think particularly you are incorrect

in the aftermath of October 7. This is a 9-11 type event, the level of unity in the aftermath of October 7.

This is a 9-11 type event.

The level of unity in the United States post-911 was dramatic and enormous.

This is, as people have said, the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.

The idea that the Israeli population wouldn't be completely resolved against the Palestinians is wrong.

And also I think the reason here's another piece of evidence to suggest that you are incorrect

is the complete death of the Israeli left politically. If you were right that people were following,

you know, losing interest in the Zionist project and interest in peace, then the Labor Party

in Israel would not have completely obliterated in recent elections.

There is no meaningful Israeli left because the Israeli public is right-wing and behind the

Zionist project.

On your second point, which is the failure to integrate, I think you

are wrong. The Abraham Accords and the, you know, essentially the entire point of this

Hamas massacre was they know that rapprochement with Saudi Arabia is coming and then the world

where the Saudis and the entire you know Gulf countries

have normalized relations with Israel while the Palestinian project is doomed.

So I think on the contrary it is the fact that there is this move towards integration

that is spurring this desperate.

All right I'll respond to both for the interests of time. Okay, so the first thing you said is that

There's an unprecedented sense of unity since October 7th

And there's a decline of the Israel. Well, and that by the way decline of the Israeli left and the rise of the right wing is the trend of history. That doesn't mean that That's just part of the Israeli left and the rise of the right wing is the trend of history.

That doesn't mean that that's just part of the nihilism,

though.

This fanaticism and extremism perfectly corresponds

with a widespread cynicism and nihilism

with regard to Israel's finding products.

The fact they have to take it to such extremes to sustain it

proves it's not really

It's not a real organic national feeling. It's like ISIS. It's just this fanatically artificial vein charged sense of total emergency and total excitement.

That's not true for...

You just describe your house...

Jackson, mute this guy.

Mute this fucking guy.

Okay? I let you speak, and now you want to interrupt me. This guy, mute this guy, mute this fucking guy, mute this fucking guy, okay?

I let you speak and now you want to interrupt me.

See, we're not going to do this, okay?

So you're going to be muted because you can't be civilized, and I'm going to continue

my point.

It doesn't describe the Palestinians.

Palestinian enthusiasm about defending their

homeland while they're under occupation and no way contradicts the organic

feeling Palestinians have as a whole by the way in commitment to the cause they

have. In the case of so-called Israel,

you have what you have, a passive support of the right wing.

It's not like the right wing is like,

everyone is preoccupied with giving a shit about the right wing.

Most so-called Israelis are just like those ravegoers. They are

consumerists and nihilists. And on the margins, extremists who support Netanyahu

and all the right wingers, just take politics because nobody believes in anything.

When no one believes in anything, you have the ISIS type of people

take control. That's not the case for Palestine where there's unanimous commitment and solidarity

to the Palestinian project. This is not true for Israel. You're saying this is Israel's

9-11. Yeah, I'm sure there's all of this brainwashing

going on within Israel that's convincing people that they're under attack and it's a state

of fear. But tell me why we have an unprecedented exodus from the so-called state of Israel.

Why airports are packed with people packing their bags and getting the fuck out of there?

That's a process that is only accelerated.

I'm not saying they're becoming peace-loving leftists.

I'm saying they're just getting desperate at this point.

Now to your second point on so-called regional

integration, this is laughable, okay? The Emirates, the Gulf countries in Saudi

Arabia, does not represent the will of the people of the Levant. Okay, you want to

talk about regional integration. Talk about regional integration in natural Syria or

Geographic Syria, which is Lebanon, which is Syria itself, which is Iraq

That's the region Israel's in. The Gulf Arabs and the Gulf states, as much as they

had solidarity in some sense with the Arab cause and that's really pushing it,

they are they're not really the same region per se.

I don't know why you're using Saudi Arabia as an example of, oh this means they're successfully

integrating the region.

Why?

Because they normalize ties with the UAE, which is on the other side of the peninsula,

that's nonsense, okay?

Ask people in southern Lebanon, ask people in Iraq or ask people in Syria what they think

about that.

Actual countries which are Israel's neighbors.

Even Jordan.

Only the Jordanian government by, and by the

way, this is just assuming this reflects the will of the people and it doesn't.

Even if Saudi Arabia, even if Saudi Arabia wanted to normalize ties with the

so-called state of Israel, that's because of all this artificial

pressure by the American Empire and by all these vested interests.

That's not organic regional integration.

It's not forming common ties of civilization with people who live there.

It's bribing various corrupt governments to recognize you and to form

ties with you. So I think your point is moot. There has been no regional integration and it's a hostile

cancerous existence in the region, period. Well, I just, I think you kind of redefined regional integration to win your argument.

I mean, it's really straightforward.

These countries aren't democracies in the first place, so they don't need to win the will

of the people of the common man.

They need to win the favor of the relevant governments.

If they do that, they've successfully regionally integrated.

And to the extent that you're talking, trying to narrow the scope of the region,

regions are not defined.

Regions are not defined by a pieces of paper of governments.

They are defined by the people and the civilization of that region, which is not reducible to the formal form of statehood that they have.

By the way, forms of statehood which have a tenuous foundation, let's be honest.

I mean, what is really holding these states together, if not artificial force in a lot of cases?

No Buana, let's go!

But that's kind of the way, you know, that actually connects to a broader point, which is

what is the American interest here, maintaining a stable regional order with Israel up ahead

of it, but we can get into that later.

I think the other point I wanted to make...

Well, to be clear, we need to qualify that.

That's not in America's interest.

That's in the interest of the plutocratic Wall Street blood sucker ruling class,

which controls our government, not the American people so we

have to make a distinction it's not it's not the interest of a guy living in

East Palestine Ohio or someone living in Flint, Michigan that we quote-unquote

maintain the status quo

in the Middle East,

which is to the detriment of the people living there.

It's really not.

So let's absolutely.

Why is that?

Why is that?

So let's just ask the question.

How is it in America's self-interest to preserve an Israeli state?

Okay, why is that?

Because we just saw what happens when you don't have a stable regional order in the Russia

Ukraine area.

You end up spending like 10 times the amount you would spend in, or 20 times the amount

you would spend in a single year to back somebody other else in a proxy.

Why do we need to spend anything?

Okay, okay, but the whole reason why Russia went to war against the Ukrainian government is because of NATO encroachment on

Russia's border.

So literally, the United States government's stated purpose of preserving order on Russia's

border, which I don't know why we have to do that, makes no sense to me.

It actually resulted in the war breaking out.

So how does preserving Israel as a state benefit the American person, the American citizen, because I'm an American citizen.

I come from a long line of American citizens who founded this country.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck if Israel remains or doesn't.

Am I speaking?

Correct.

You guys hear me?

Yes.

Yep, we can hear you.

Okay.

I missed a whole bunch of what you just said I got disconnected.

So, so I said just simply, so I just said,

I guess if you want to repeat it,

I'll just repeat it because you said you got disconnected.

The reason why the Russia war broke out

was because of the Western pursue, as you put it,

of maintaining dominance on Russia's border, which there's

no reason to do that for America.

So if we hadn't have done that and encroached NATO up to Russia's border, they wouldn't

have gone in on February 24, 29th.

All right, guys.

Well, I mean, even I have to go anyway. his border they wouldn't have gone in on February 24th 20th.

All right guys well I so and even I have to go in my babies but let me just let me just

just let me just let me just. Jackson he can't hear you can you hear me?

Yeah I have to go guys my baby's crying. Okay thank you for the discussion. He couldn't. Seems like he crying. Oh, okay. Thank you for the discussion.

You couldn't, seems like he couldn't hear you.

All right.

He couldn't answer the question because he thought we were just going to say,

oh, you know, Russia is bad. You're right.

No, Russia is not bad.

Russia's based.

And what Putin did on February 24, 2022 should be celebrated by every American patriot.

And, you know, I think that there's parallels that can be drawn between what's happening now.

But anyways, I think it's a good moment to wrap up this space and

So I guess Hawes if you have any last words you want to say we've been talking for a while

Everyone follow haws by the way is a great resource on all this stuff

How's you have any last words?

Yeah, I appreciate that.

One last thing is I'd say, you know, between using America's general imperial policies,

it's, oh, does Israel have any, does America's ruling class have any interest independent from Israel?

And it's like, yeah, they do.

There was a history of American imperialism before Israel created.

And yeah, Israel does serve the imperialist ruling class of America.

But these ruling class people are, they don't have a sense of patriotic loyalty to a single country in the city of London

Whether it's the Atlantisist elites in America or even a fact a fraction of those in Israel, it's a common global cartel and it doesn't

serve the interest of any, it doesn't serve the interest of ordinary Jewish people, doesn't

serve who were heard it off to go to Palestine from Eastern Europe,

doesn't serve the interests of the British people or the American people. So

this notion that this somehow is necessary from the perspective of our

interests is ridiculous and it's not even

it's not even something that's in the interest of the current American status

quo because why I mean even given the general plunder and injustice of the U.S. government against its people, why

the hell do we want to get into a war in the Middle East region right now?

We can't afford it.

They couldn't answer the question.

We asked the question, I don't know how many times, but we asked the question, we didn't

even get into it, but you talk about Iran, Iran is like what, the seventh largest oil

producing nation on the planet last year.

This past July, they were like, I think they were like the fourth top largest oil producing

nation on the plant.

Bricks is forming.

Bricks, they're going to develop their own, you know, currency that's going to eventually

replace the dollar.

They hold the majority of the world's resource wealth.

Why on earth would we want to piss all these countries off?

As Americans, I want cheap fuel, I want cheap oil, I want cheap gas.

I'd like it if we could develop our own resources, but in the interim, if that means doing business

with Iran and other BRICS nations and Saudi Arabia, who's

a BRICS member now, I mean, that's good in the interim and we can do business with them.

We're not going to be able to do good business with them and get cheap resources if we

start a war against their ally for preserving the state of Israel, which no American citizen

would ever know the difference if Israel was existent or non-existent.

It doesn't matter.

So they couldn't answer the question.

They couldn't answer the question also if we were to go into the billions and billions we

spend on it.

We were just talking before we went live.

They rip away 50% of our paycheck each and every day to send to Ukraine and to send to

Israel in form of taxpayer dollars.

They launder it over to these leaders.

And they still can't even defend themselves against Russia and Hamas respectively.

So why should we then be sending brave young American boys to go fight in their war?

Twelve thousand men are in the Eastern Mediterranean right now wearing U.S. patches on their arms

because Joe Biden and the State Department want to wage a proxy war against Hamas.

I mean, in the entire Arab world and Iran as well.

It makes no sense to me.

They couldn't answer these questions.

Frankly, as an American patriot, I see no reason to care about Israel.

Yeah, no, yeah, I couldn't agree more with you.

All right, everybody.

Well, thank you for tuning in.

Long space, but good space.

Be sure to follow Haas.

Follow me.

Don't follow any of the Zionists that we're speaking because they're all idiots.

And you can, if you want to support my work, if you want to support Haas's work, you know,

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If you want to support me, follow me, subscribe to my X premium for $3.

It supports the work I do exposing desinists and holding spaces like this.

So thank you guys for coming on.

Haas. Thank you for all of your insight.

Thank you.

Appreciate it. All right. Peace. Thank you. Okay, that was the crazy space. What'd you guys think?

I think that was, that went really well.

I think that was really cool.

And that went really well, and that was a lot of fun.

And let me tell you guys something.

Yo, Jay Summit!

Let's go!

Let me tell you guys something, uh, we can, if we do this like regularly, we could overtake

like that was way more entertaining than a Mario Noffol space way more way more that was way more entertaining than the Mario Noffal fucking dumb waste of time nonsense space so you know that was a whole lot of fun.

That was a whole lot of fun.

Um, and that was, it was interesting because I never really debate Zinus.

I never, they never debate, but credit to them, they'll debate when there's enough clout like anyone else.

And it was interesting, it was kind of, I feel like they didn't really even believe in what they were saying.

I feel like they were just repeating talking points and black bag let's go let's go black pack so yeah that

was a great stream it was a lot of fun it really was it was really a lot of fun. It really was. It was really a lot of fun. Um,

and guys, I did an early stream. I told you I do an early stream. And I did one.

And you know, I followed through on my word.

I told you guys how it would be and what would be going on.

Okay.

I've got a lot of requests.

Lot of requests.

Lot of requests. Lot of requests.

Lot of requests.

Should I host another space right now? I can't I can't horse the space.

Can I? Should I host another space right now for any of the people who wanted to

come on?

Yo, Lysenko, appreciate you.

Let's go.

Let's go! This is crazy. I got all these requests by people who wanted to come on.

Um, so I got a guy complaining about Jackson's anti-Hittler rhetoric.

Uh...

Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy.

That was a great space.

I love that space.

That was a great, great space.

That was a lot of fun. I had a great time.

Hmm.

Let's see.

That was just quite the space.

Ain't nothing gonna break my style.

Ain't nothing gonna break my style. Ain't nothing gonna hold me down.

Whoa, I got to keep on moving. I may just host a space another one.

I don't know if I will.

I don't know if I will.

I love how he was like, oh you're an Arab, it reminds me of like some like 1980s Hollywood shit

The damn Arabs sounds like a god damn like colonial

like like some like some like star wars guy

talking about sand people the damn elms it's like

ah what do you know an Arab none tell the truth.

It's like, bra.

It's so silly.

He's like, well, Saudi Arabia, I love how they think Saudi Arabia is like the center of all Arabs, of all Muslims.

Well, Saudi Arabia, they wear those funny costumes, right?

They wear those funny costumes in Saudi Arabia.

It's the Arab.

That's like some 1940s shit. That's like some Indiana

Jones nonsense, you know, it's like that is so, that's where the king is, you know.

And it's like, yeah, I mean, like if anything, Egypt is way bigger than Saudi Arabia, okay?

Like way bigger, like way more relevant to regionally.

But Saudi Arabia has a lot of money.

Yo!

Yoh!

King!

Unconfirmed, but I just heard that Israel launched another special forces mission into Gaza that failed

Second or third so far. I think that's what Jackson was talking about in the space

And it's what he was talking about in the space

So yeah, that's what he was talking about, but that I mean we finally I wanted to I would been interested in debating some Zionists and

Couldn't do it and now it's like we got it done

Mission accomplished. I want to do it more.

I think a lot of these people,

they don't even know what they're saying.

They're just spouting nonsense, you know,

not even living in reality anymore.

And the most, the best thing I heard was that guy

who was like, well, we need Israel because because you know how they say death to Israel

They're coming for Americans next and I'm like that is such

That is such

Nonsense does anyone actually fucking believe that 's some I mean it's so stupid. Oh

They're just out to get you. They're just out to get you. And it's like maybe ISIS is but you funded ISIS didn't you and ISIS is gone now.

But you know the idea oh Israel's holding

back the hordes who just want to attack America at all costs it's like but I

digress people actually believe this and then he he's like, well, you're an Arab.

Tell me why you guys hate America so much.

I'm like, laughs in Arab.

It's so stupid. It's so stupid. It's so stupid.

It's so stupid.

Anonymous! Let's go! Us you goddamn sneaky Arabian carpet flying camel jockey lamp genie Turbine wearing freedom fighting Harry Sandwizard.

Yeah. Oh man. It's like

It's like Harrison Ford when he gets drunk, you know, he's got the damn Arabs

Anyway, that was a really silly, really interesting, really fun, really riveting space.

And we might have some content lined up for you.

I'm glad I got the exposure, you know?

I'm glad I got the exposure.

As well. Not a lot of people got interested.

Yo, light of the moon!

This is why Jackson's a real one.

You know, Jackson's...

Anyone who calls Jackson a grifter,

on my honor, I'm gonna fight them.

Because how can he be a grifter when he helps me out so much?

With no incentive to, you know? Time for one more debater. Okay, really quick, bring on

that Protestant Northern Ireland guy and see what he wants.

Let's bring him on.

Let's do it.

We'll do it for 20 minutes.

Is he on? If he's not ready now, we're not going to do it. He's got to be ready now. Is he ready now? Is he ready now? 30 seconds? We'll give it 30 seconds for him to get in show queue.

They're not descending from cannonites. I don't care. I mean like I don't know if that's true.

I don't think it's relevant. I don't think it's really relevant.

It even if, even if it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

This is not how or the organic flow of history works, okay?

You don't just fucking uproot people from their homeland and then, uh, you know, that's not how it works.

You don't just completely exterminate a whole fucking people living there for generations

and generations.

Oh, well, thousands of years

I mean the borders of the whole fucking world map would be redrawn you know.

Yo Slicker what's up man? The whole borders of the entire world would be

redrawn so it's just nonsense. I can't believe anyone falls for that

silly argument. You know, it doesn't even make geopolitical sense. Without the aid of British

colonialism, it couldn't have happened. You know, um, historically empires and they're

conquering each other and they're doing it on horses and shit. Israel, there was no real conquest

like in history, it was just the, like in history.

It was just the British, they manipulated the British the British ruling class, I should

say, made an agreement with Rothschild and others that they were going to solve the Jewish question and they

they used the whole force and might of the British Empire and colonialism to do

this. So this was not some, some, you know, oh the Jews came back and took

back the land they were kicked out from 2,000 years ago. That's not what

fucking happened. It's a bunch of fake gay nonsense.

There's a bunch of nonsense. This one's a nonsense.

But anyway, guys, I'm not feeling suicidal.

So if anything happens to Hazaldean, if the Masad gets to me, just know the

Masad was responsible. 100%. Anything after that debate, if anything happens

to Haas, I am not feeling suicide. And I prefer them, Jackson's the dangerous one.

Jackson's the dangerous one, all right? Jackson is the white guy with a great smile, okay?

Me?

I'm the A-Rab.

So, Massad, you know, they're gonna get his both.

There's no way I can warm out of this.

But Jackson is the one in danger for sure.

Me, they're probably like, oh, he's just an A-Rab.

Whatever, it's to be expected.

Damn camel jockey from the Harrison Foreign movie.

I'm no threat.

I'm no threat.

You know, you know.

Case of an end, I don't have any involvement with this group.

Yeah, Slicker doesn't, he's got nothing to do with any of this, right?

Um, Slicker's got nothing to do with any of this.

So, you know, I want to make that clear.

Uh, you know, me and Slicker go back playing, we play Counter Strike, you know,

Minecraft, he's just stopping by and saying hi. It's got nothing to do with

Matter of fact, they say slicker is Jewish, you know, they slay he's Jewish. He's completely fine.

All right. They say Slicker is Israeli. He's my Israeli friend Slicker. Coming at me

from Tel Aviv and you know it's cross-cultural collaboration and, you know, exchange, peace.

Anyway, let's bring up...

Campucia, is this the same fucking guy?

Are you also the King of Northern Ireland?

I'm also the King of Northern Ireland.

Okay, now you're Campucia. Okay, so you're just like Russia defender

You're just a troll. I'm not a troll. No, no, no, no

Okay, so what I'm very I'm very disappointing you and him call to be honest. I'm genuinely disappointing bro

Okay, why is that you sit there and you keep on defending

Western enemies and you don't look out for Western interests. It's very sad and you guys were

screaming at that guy. I think Hinkle was like shouting out the guy to get out of America

whatever. Dude Hinkle was converted to Orthodoxy. He's ran away

to Russia. He's basically a Russian state agent at this point. Like, bro, you guys are just doing

anything that's just anti-the-west and looking from validation. Why is Orthodox Christianity

anti-West? It's Christian. it's it's a different sects from

the typical Catholicism or Protestant sects of Christianity. So what? So what? I mean

it's just to do the Russian law. Okay. By the way Russia Russia's fate is tied to the fate of the whole West.

So you can't separate the two. Russia is the actually the leader of the whole Christian world.

Well, I wouldn't I'd say but Russia but Russia is different to the West.

It's not, it's so it's a hybrid.

It is, but it's exactly for that reason that only Russia can save the West.

Because Russia understands Asia.

They're also Asian, and they're also European, and they can allow the Western civilization.

Russia, Russia subjugated Asia.

It didn't really take-

That's not true.

That's not true.

The Mongols subjugated them as well and the Tatars.

So they have a very close connection with Asia.

Yeah, and then they subjug educated Asia back, so what's your point?

My point is that Russia is also Asian and that under Russian leadership, Western civilization

and all of its traditions, specifically Europe, in this case, can have a place in the multipolar

world with all the other Asian civilizations and be respected.

Okay, well, I want to get back, I want to come on to what I was going to talk about,

regardless of Russian, Orthodox Christianity and all that,

yeah, all that, Jabber. So why, why do you guys just repeat the attack Zionists when it is in the

interest of the West to defend Zionism? I just don't, well, let's start with this. What do you mean by the West?

Well, what I mean by the West is like the Anglosphere.

Okay, what do you concretely like who in whose interest is that in?

Like what the British and Americans people to defend the petrol dollar, it's in our interest.

Why is it in our interest to protect a system of debt slavery?

Was it in our interest? Because without it, we would not have the buying power that we do compared to the rest of the world

that we have today.

How do we feel the effects of buying power if we're not traveling abroad in the US?

Well there are people that travel abroad and if you want to, you can travel abroad.

Okay, well we live here and our buying power is becoming shit by the day.

So I don't know.

And that's directly a result of the petrodoller, so I don't see how it's in our interest.

It is in your interest because you can get cheap Indian labor and have an Indian basically

be your slave for nothing if you want to.

This is actually a big misconception that cheap labor is a form of subjugation.

Cheap labor is actually a form of industrial competition and it actually benefits other countries

more than us. A lot of people don't know this.

So, so Indian cheap labor, we don't, the thing, the reason Indians are not benefiting is because we don't get any of their labor.

What does India make that we import? Not a lot. They don't have a big manufacturing base.

When you, when they, Because when you have cheaper labor, you're competitive. When your

currency is cheaper, you're more competitive. And you can export your goods to

another country and build up your means of production and industrial base, which

could also be turned into military, it could

be turned into all kinds of power, makes you overall stronger, wealthier and better.

I wouldn't say so because we're taking the goods, we're taking the cheap commodities.

Yeah, we're taking the fentanyl, sure. Not the fentanyl speaks acts, exact, but we're taking, you know, tea, you know, tea,

it's, we're taking, we're consuming, yeah, but we're not building.

Therefore, what's the problem with that?

What's the problem with that?

Because people are losing their jobs.

If you lose your jobs, how do you pay for anything? I agree, I agree we need some form of way to circumvent this like, look, I don't know,

like a socialist government perhaps, but I don't see the problem, inherent problem with

imperialism from a Western perspective.

I think it's perfectly fine.

Right, but it's it's the reason why people don't have jobs.

You don't need a job.

Okay.

If anything, if you can have an Indian working for you, the master's slave dialectic will be eternal.

So who cares? Okay. What can't, what can't I have, why can't we just have a...

I would say, listen, I would say, try it, and then I promise you, one billion barefoot

Indians will run at you with nuclear devices tied to their chest and

That's not true. That's not true. One billion Indians. If I go to India, they say rule

again, rule again. That's what they said. Yeah, but if you try to enslave them or

insult them directly and they realized it. All of those Indian elephants and everything,

it's all gonna come swarming and descending on you.

You don't wanna do that.

Well, every Indian call center will blow up the phone

of every single person in the UK.

The indoor-Anglo relationship has been probably one of the best that.

If you claim that you're going to offset the West problems by enslaving Indians, every

Indian call center will blow up every mobile device within your vicinity.

They're not. They're whipped they're whipped to us.

Not if you cross the line.

I mean, obviously you don't, like, you don't insult your slaves directly, but you just

let them know, like, you know, you work for us.

But that's so, but you're saying America, we don't, you're not going to have any jobs

because you're just going to have literal slaves doing everything for you.

Yeah, what's the problem?

You know, we can advocate for socialism here, you know, everyone can live good.

You know, I mean, well, I'm saying literal, I'm not talking about cheap labor for manufacturing

because in order for that to be competitive

you need to have an income with which to buy this stuff.

So where are you getting the income?

Where we getting the income?

The petrodollar and a monopoly on oil.

That doesn't, that's not a source of revenue by itself.

It is. If you keep a monopoly on specific resources, then basically.

No, the petro dollar, we consume oil more than we exported.

So what are you talking about?

Yeah, but we control.

We have a monopoly on it.

So the angle, the angler sphere really we have a we don't have a monopoly on oil as much as we do on currency so it's not necessarily you kind of confused. It's the it's the it's the no no no it's the monopoly of the US dollar as a reserve currency. That's what we're talking about.

Yeah, and the reserve and what we do is, oh you try to diversify your foreign currencies.

We invade you. I mean, I don't think there's a problem with that.

Yeah, but yeah, but you'll fail. Why are you crying about it?

Like you're the one, you you go you go have your like dates with your girlfriend you go outside you enjoy the service industry why you complain and I don't see the like I don't see this so culled thing with you.

Well, I mean, actually I'm not really on a personal level I'm not

suffering but when I start talking about politics and my duty to the country I

live and I have to put what's in the interest of the common good over my

immediate comfort. A hundred percent. I mean if I was primarily, if I was going to put consideration of my

immediate comfort first, I would have never become a streamer. I just would have stayed in.

But you put Indians first, it's your problem. You put Arabia first.

No, I just understand there's something called laws of civilization honor something called honor

Being honorable. Yeah, I agree with on it being honorable doesn't mean that you're putting other people's

Interest before your own a person who's not going to go and attack their neighbor doesn't mean

they're putting your neighbor before your family. It means you have honor.

This is in human history house like the the weaker tribes in like like Eurasia

would pay tributes in the Mongols right right? So, you know, well, that-

Hold on that, yeah, but,

but, you should have to pay tribute to America.

But, but pre-modern history is an organic development.

It's actually a master slave dialectic

where different people struggle to acquire mutual recognition through this dialectic where different people struggle to acquire mutual recognition

through this dialectic. What you don't have is someone who has foreclosed the

process of mutual recognition, claim to be superior on every level and claim to be

God, and go and try to exterminate and slave anyone else and colonize them on the basis of conceding

Do you think these savages like the Native Americans were actually had some like nice culture and the Aztecs who fucking ripped hearts

People's even even while they were ripping out hearts this was situated

within the context of a historical struggle for recognition and it was an organic historical

development. Okay this is organic historical development. it is absolutely no no it's not.

No it's not.

No it's not.

Modernity is a post-historical era in which there's a reign of universal recognition

by virtue of, for example, recognition of international law and

norms and human recognition, this notion of human rights, which I don't agree with, but nonetheless,

this is the post-historical era of universal recognition so we don't

live in that era in the past which was an interlock struggle of peoples struggling for recognition.

This is still a struggle of peoples what you're talking about?

There's still I agree agree, I agree.

This is, this is, why is the Palestine? Why is it, is your palaic. I agree, that's the failure.

And you secretly support them because you're Arab. No, no, I agree. I agree. And Hinkle was just shut up, shut up. Shut up for a second. I want to get a point in to explain this to people.

I agree actually. The post-historical era of universal recognition, Kojo describes, failed.

It's a failure. Meaning it's it it did not actually resolve the pre-modern struggle.

But at the same time, when we're talking about people still suspended in the struggle for mutual

recognition and the human struggle still going on, this cannot take the form of universalist colonialism,

which lays claim to the entire world,

not as a result of a specific organic development of civilization,

which is necessarily geographical,

but because of this conceit of universality, which itself,

just as much as the era of universal human rights, is gone, also is gone the era of universalist

colonialism and universalist

Western supremacy over the rest of the world

I mean the Western supremacy exists or reason like it's a historical development and it's it Western you don't like objective objective supremacy of the West, the objective kind,

military and so on supremacy, was the result of modernity and modern technology.

It was the result, yeah, exactly.

But it's still an objective.

But the West no longer has a monopoly on that.

But the West no longer has a monopoly on that.

Yeah, I agree but entering a multipolar world,

but that's why we need to defend our resources and defend.

No, that's why we need to acknowledge. And we need to, that's why we need to acknowledge and we need to recognize the other polls

because now the struggle of existence is coming to fruition.

We're just going to give up Africa to China and Russia.

We are going to, we are going to acknowledge and Russia. We just have it. We are going to acknowledge and recognize that Russians and Chinese are human beings with

their own modernity and with their own end of history.

You just want to give it up.

You just want to have us give it everything up to them. Here you go China, here you it up. You just want to have us give everything up to them.

Here you go China, here you go Russia, you guys can have the uranium, you guys can have the monopoly on Africa.

That's not our business, what trade deals they do with Africa.

We do trade deals. Look at Shell and Nigeria.

How does that benefit us?

Shell is an oil monopoly which is doing de-growth, trying to destroy the productive forces at home.

Bringing devastation to the technology and wealth America has built at home. Bringing devastation to the technology and wealth America has built at home, they

want to destroy it. So you want us to leave the oil facts, we want us to leave the oil

regs, leave the uranium mines and just go here. No, I want us to turbo charge energy production beyond the threshold of what we can even

imagine.

So wait, wait, what's your point?

I want us to develop the productive forces directly on the basis of a common social plan for the benefit of American people.

It won't be for the benefit of American people because when Africans get a monopoly on electricity, they're just going to charge a higher rate.

You are assuming it's a zero-'s not a zero-sum game.

When you develop the productive forces you increase the total wealth and it's a rising tide lifts all.

It's not a zero-sum game.

I'd say there's enough wealth already.

I think you'd agree with that.

So it's not, Africa's rise doesn't have to come at the expense of American people. It will come at the expense. Why? Why? Why? Why? Because they will start selling

resources more expensive than they already are to like France and Britain and America?

And we will build our own, we'll develop our own.

No, we won't. Actually, you're wrong. With the increase of technology and according

to laws of competition, the exploitation of resources becomes cheaper and cheaper and cost less and less.

So technically you're wrong.

Increases of the-

So you want American people to go dying of what?

Okay, fucking mine?

No, no.

Increase of technology in the productive forces

overall cheapens the cost of living for everyone.

Not exactly.

Yes, exactly.

Because once you get a monopoly, you start charging it to...

All of this is the result of the Byzantine labyrinth of financial capital,

maintaining artificial surplus profits.

Because you need leverage.

This is nations, that nations look for leverage over nations.

No.

Do you really think, do you really believe in like the communist principle

that we're all just going to hold hands into communism

and sing and dance and be happy?

This is like a fantasy. and I think you know

I don't think we'll dance but we will walk singing into the sunlight all together into the sunlight.

I think I think you just prove your fantasy. It's fantasy hearts and I think you know that deep now.

No I it's not a fantasy. I believe in it.

You genuinely believe that everyone will just start holding hands and be fine and walking.

It's in the Bible.

That's what they believe in the Bible.

Well, in the Bible, it's different.

There'll be a new heaven and a new earth. So, like, I'm going through it. I believe in what's in the Bible that's different, there'll be a new heaven and a new earth.

So I'm like, I'm not going through.

I believe in what's in the Bible as well.

So I do believe it.

I do believe it.

The Indian, the African, the Chinese, the Russian, the American, the European, all will hold hands and walk into

the sunlight together singing.

And they will sing, ain't nothing gonna break my stride by, I forgot that name, but that,

and they're also going to sing

They'll see you're telling no, I'm not no, I'm not they're they're they're also going to sing

You're troll it man. No, no, they're they're going to be singing a lot of songs. It's like a whole playlist.

I have the Spotify playlist. So I think deep down you know the truth and I do know that I

I look. If you want me to answer this honest question honestly I don't necessarily think that a world in

which people respect their boundaries respect their differences and have

recognition concrete recognition for once in another necessarily implies a

kumbaya of a utopia scenario where everyone is just basking

and holding hands and stuff.

What I really think is that we will focus our problems on different antagonisms.

It's not going to be a dreamy world.

It's going to be a world of fighting man-made and natural disasters,

which is going to take every ounce of effort, willpower and strength of people.

I think what's going to happen is it's just going to be a similar

split to the Sino Soviet split we get your hypothetical communist world

everyone's gonna be it's just gonna go back to same old same old I'm a scream

at you can call you revisionist or you're not well no I just as someone who sides with the Chinese in that conflict, I can't in good faith say that this was just the result of old differences reasserting themselves.

The basis of that conflict was an internal class struggle within the party which took on a geopolitical

character. There's a reason the Chinese fell out with the Soviets and it's not

simply because of historical differences, it's because of a conflict within communism itself.

One which...

Historically, political structures always go back to their same.

Similar with the Soviet Union with Great Red Star,

there's truth to that.

Wait, wait, wait, there is truth to that. That is the whole that's part of the theory of

multipolarity and kind of Dugan's notion of each civilization having its own logos regardless of the political

superstructure. I believe in the objectivity and continuity of

civilizations, but I also think over a large periods, civilizations can find ways to

their living. Civilizations change. They integrate. They become bigger. They may splinter.

And all this happens at a pace. That's not years. It's not even necessarily decades. It could be centuries.

But I agree. Civilizations have an objective reality that exists regardless of politics, but that doesn't necessarily, but when you have recognition and mutual recognition of that, it doesn't have to lead to antagonism.

Antagonism is the result of a lack of recognition. Like when the Soviets

could not accept that China had a civilization that lasted 5,000 years regardless of the political

superstructure, that was a contributing factor to the fallout. But because of that lack of recognition on the part of the political superstructure, that was a contributing factor to the fallout.

But because of that lack of recognition on the part of the Soviets,

they also could not recognize that was true for themselves in the case of Russian civilization.

And that was a contributing factor to the dissolution of the Soviet Union. So the era of true

universal recognition is an era of multipolarity where different civilizations

recognize their differences and their existence not as the result of an ideology, not as

the result of a specific regime, but as an organic reality of a people.

So you so you you do acknowledge then that there is political structures and due to,

whether it be geography or the, the civilization of the nation, and then civilization,

there will always be differences within our nations and you cannot remove that.

So you do agree with that, right? Yes, I also believe there will always be differences between

individuals. Yeah, I agree that too. But the difference doesn't necessarily have to lead to antagonism.

I think it does.

I don't.

I think that we're just opposites in this regard and whoever wins wins, you know, that

you know, even if it's true, it might make true.

Even if it's true that conflict will be inevitable,

what I will always hold to is that conflict can never be generalized.

A conflict has to be placed within the concrete reason and circumstance.

You can't just say, oh, the Soviets and Chinese are fighting just because they're different.

No, you have to actually concretely be true to the source of the conflict, the logic behind

it and the reasoning for it.

We can never escape. We can't ever escape our

causes. We can't ever escape our reasons and justifications. At no point can we

be fallout New Vegas and just say war never changes. I think that's completely false. War is always...

War is always... War is always a specific, inescapable concrete determination of a struggle for peace.

Always. Yeah, and listen, Haas, if you, I think you need to really sit

down and think, when we look at the West, we look at Europe, when these beautiful social

democratic nations were built, you know, it was on the backbone of America.

Of, I make sure of

uh, African exploiting African exploiting colonies and robbing him for the last

pennies that I'll be left.

And you have to do that, dude.

You have to put your people first.

Well, you know what first you know what you

know what I'm gonna actually do something that doesn't sound very left it to say I don't

agree with this third world this notion that the development of productive forces and a good

standard of living in Western countries is

entirely explainable from the exploitation of developing countries. This was a very popular notion

in Europe for a long time and America because of this kind of

Calvinist self it's some theological kind of thing of we are born sinners we are

sinners every good every blessing is a disguise of the devil's temptation.

Calvinism never really took off. Yeah, but it's it's like a common thread in

there and I think there's something kind of a little pathological. No, there is such a thing as objective development of the productive forces.

And yes, there was a wholesale plunder during colonialism and neocolonialism. But is that to the benefit of the working class in the last

instance? I don't think so. I would agree. I would actually agree with you that the working class in European nations have went out and colonized and they've

They didn't they didn't they didn't they didn't they didn't yes, they did do the family in Canada and Australia right I fucking

But that wasn't the word you you have to understand that wasn't the word

My my great grandfather was in Libya fighting the Nazis like we defended that wasn't the

He was at to defend the colonies we went that it's like you know just any old reason

We're there because you had to be there because you were conscripted.

Well, either way, I take full pride in that and I think that, you know, I don't agree with how my people have been treated.

I think that we should have socialism for the British people and socialism for no one else pretty much

And why can't I have that position? What's the problem in that position? I'm putting my people first and what's the problem with that?

Why do you have such a burning hate for that? Ultimately all we're doing is putting our people first.

Let's look at this from the perspective of realism. If you want to, uh, first of all, from the,

there's two problems with it. From the perspective of realism, you cannot have socialism unless you address

the foundations of what prevents that domestically, and that is the concrete reality of imperialism, is against any socialist aspirations of the British people.

Concretely. Now if you want to if you want to defeat the ruling class

and then reinstate a new form of colonialism,

that's a part of British socialism,

you would have to start from scratch

because all of the existing structures stand in the way of

the aspirations of the British working class and are used against them.

But you have corporations in China robbing Africa dry, you have places, you have Russia,

basically the only reason to help you mean.

It's really not true.

It's really not true.

Which mean it's not true?

It's not true.

I build you a port, but I own it's.

Doing business is not the same as using the military and political power of your country as well as so-called international

law and NGOs and norms to subvert and conquer and oppress other countries.

But I think if China was the unipolarity, I think that they would be right to do this.

It's just in the nature of

China could never have unipolarity because the material conditions for a financial

capitalism it doesn't have it doesn't have the material conditions for a financial

capitalist monopoly because it's not how the Chinese economy works

It's a different type of civilization. It's a socialist civilization

So yeah, would you would you agree that the European is like a parasite on the world?

Um, the European what?

Like the the economic system that has kind of founded the world today in the modern world so in Africa. The system yes yes but

that doesn't mean Europeans are directly. I would say no of course like your

average Europeanism so you would agree the system is right it's a parasite on

non-Europeans and Europeans.

So why is the problem, right? Here's my question to you ask. If you have socialism, right,

in America, but you still have an American corporation in Africa that's just robbing Africa, try and bringing it back home.

What's the problem with that?

Do you really complain?

The problem with that is that it's not possible.

It is possible.

I think you can just write down a policy like that.

What's the problem?

Because... In your philosophical... I think you can just write down a policy like that. What's the problem?

Because in your philosophical world it is impossible, but I think in material reality is 100%

in material reality it's impossible because the same values upon which a socialist civilization would be built in America would apply to the way it treats other countries.

Plus, if a country decided to blind itself to the recognition of all the rest of humanity and simply declare war on them,

it would have to face the consequences of that.

The consequences would be...

They extracted resources from Kazakhstan and Ukraine and centralized it into...

But those were... Those were...

That was the Soviet Union.

That was part of the Soviet Union.

I mean, Stalin was a Russian Chauvinist at the end of the day.

He loved Russia.

Yeah, but he was a Russian Chauvinist,

so I think that's like an undeniable fact of history.

He loved Russia. I think, I don't, I think that's like an undeniable fact of history.

Like he loved Russia.

I think I don't, I wouldn't call him a Russian Chauvinist.

He wouldn't.

No.

Even though I think, I think there was a lack of a share.

What I will concede is that, and this is a criticism from Mao as well,

there was a lack of understanding and recognition of non-Russian big space.

Now there was a recognition of non-Russian nations, and they had full equal rights and

everything.

But other civilizations, big spaces, there was no recognition of that because there was no

theory, social democratic theory that they got their theory of nations from,

did not leave a room for recognizing supranational civilization states.

So while Russia, for pragmatic reasons, actually, organic, it just was seamless, was kind of taking

form as a civilization state, as a Soviet Union.

There was no recognition that this was a civilization state.

It was just, oh, this is just the formality of the right of national self-termination and the theory of nations from social democracy.

So there was no ability to recognize other polarities or big spaces, and that was a big flaw of the Soviet Union.

But the Soviet Union, they took commodities, right?

But they still built things.

I'd say the Soviet Union, if anything, it was quite similar to,

given the British in that regard.

They built infrastructure.

They built infrastructure. They're 100% there. I disagree British in that regard. They built infrastructure in Kazakhstan.

800% there then it isn't the Soviet Union.

Well, they built things to help develop the productive forces of other countries.

Yeah, and then they also took things.

They took an awful lot from the Ukrainians.

All the British built was what allowed them to extract resources.

Well, the Soviet Union had just extracted resources from Ukraine which led to the Hlodomor and

they prioritized the mainland Russia within the Soviet Union which is an undeniable

the historical effect.

Then why did Ukraine have a better standard of living?

What's your source source of that?

I don't...

If, okay, do you agree Lithuania did?

Do I agree Lithuania did?

I think Lithuanian people are oppressed by the Soviet warrants.

But they had a way better standard of living than Russians.

I'm going to need source of that.

Well, it's just everyone knows that.

It's a fact.

I think everyone knows that.

Well, it's true.

Because I don't.

Look it up.

What, during the Soviet era, they had a better standard of the Russian?

Yes, they did.

Under Stalin?

Under Stalin?

They weren't.

It was only for a brief period that Stalin ruled during the integration of the Baltic states.

Compared to the rest.

We're talk the specific Stalin era

here like when he was extracting resources from Ukraine and killed God

knows how many Ukrainians think it was it was in the millions which is a

documented historical fact and actually I think I think I think, I think it's the opposite.

I don't think Moscow and urban centers saw as dramatic of an increase of the standard of living

as the rule and peripheral regions, especially rural peoples,

including Ukrainians.

Moscow, standard of living, I couldn't tell you

how much it improved, but I would assume much less

than your local Kolkos and local Russian peasant.

Moscow was one of the first places where they built these, um, what was the starting buildings, the, the, the, the saline apartments, I can't remember the exciting name.

That was the first state. The seven sisters. Somethingthe exact name, that was the first state.

The seven sisters.

Something like that.

Those were the first place still building these new apartments.

The Santa living there was great increase in Moscow.

Why are we talking about?

Often people in the Soviet Union were living in barrack.

Relative to what the standard of living was before, it was much more of an increase for peasants.

What, within the Soviet Union? Yeah, because peasants were given access to libraries and theaters and culture and kind of more

food and more just overall amenities, running water, electricity, especially electricity, mechanization with tractors.

So it was much different.

Why can't you just acknowledge though that the Soviet Union basically did similar things to the British?

They robbed them off their grain, their

grain, their cotton, in classic son of the British did not develop the productive forces

of any of the people had colonized. That's not true. It's true. We

What you mean? We built far there was farms there there was there was eventually industry

We gave them local governments with the Parliamentary and acts of in India. There was 100% things we were doing.

Look, I don't think you acknowledge.

It was, it was, it was just extraction, colonialism.

That's it.

Okay, I know I can argue that the Soviet Union is not true.

Not true.

The Soviet Union.

I was not, because they developed the productive forces for everyone.

Wait, so the Soviet Union took cotton, took grain, sold it, built things in Russia,

the heart of the Motherland, basically being a parasite on to the other Soviet people.

That sounds a lot like what the British

did today. That's not true. It's not comparable at all. And by the way, the

Soviet Union, a crucial difference as well, is that there was a clause in the

Soviet Constitution that any republic had the right to succeed at any time.

I would 100% agree with you, Hoss, that the Soviets did provide something to the people.

I would agree, right? The 100% did.

The British was an example...

The British didn't provide anything is just a...

There's numerous differences.

The British was an example of forcible colonization,

unlike a union of free and equal people's, at least on paper.

Wait, wait, wait, what do you mean the Russian Civil War was?

Like if you actually look at the map of the Russian Civil War, it was mainly Russian regions

supporting the Bolsheviks and then everyone else against the Bolsheviks.

So that's a simplification, but it's not totally off the mark.

And obviously there was the greens and whitesites and, you know, all these other factions were

springing up everywhere, but they eventually did resubjugate these lands of the Russian Empire.

But they had in their constitution that they could secede at any time. So they had in their constitution that they could succeed at any time.

So they had...

Okay.

And they did in 91.

And 89 through 91.

That's what they did.

Anyway, that's what led to the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

But anyway, you know, I think also another big difference is that the Soviet Union was a regional and civil civilizational integration,

whereas the British Empire was a kind of dynamic of a core in a periphery,

where the core and the periphery were not fused or integrated in any way.

So the colonialism was just this kind of adventure of British capital

which didn't lead to an actual organic or integrated civilization. So it's different, you know.

There's no real roots of British in Africa.

Neither is the Soviet Union, that's why it collapsed.

Well, that's actually not true because the Soviet territory...

Which means not true that collapsed.

Soviet territory...

Soviet territory encompasses an organic civilization.

Well, certainly, the Soviet Union, not Latvia, not Lithuania, the Polish

of the Commonwealth,, who love a numerous...

And what happened?

What happened?

What happened?

Yeah, it did collapse.

It was crushed by the Russian Empire.

But they were forcibly subjugated, they were subjugated.

They were no more forcibly subjugated.

They were no more forcibly subjugated. They were no more forcibly subjugated than the Franks forcibly subjugated the Lombards during

Charlemagne's campaign.

So it's just a non-point.

I think that you'll make a non-point.

I think that you'll make it a non-point about the British Empire though. We both equally gave something back to each of it.

We revived Indian cultures.

We revived Indian language, revived Indian history.

Places that he didn't even know and then you sit there and you sit there and

if you want to be proud of anything please don't mention India because the British fucked

up India of India was beautiful under the brush it was okay I know you're trolling have you seen the

buildings they still use they still use

British bridges and that's that's how backward and that's how backward India is

as a people yes and because of because of how much they were retarded by

British colonialism.

Come on man, you don't believe that.

I don't think you actually believe these things.

I do, I definitely believe, it's not even just colonialism.

The whole Indian economy today is the same as under colonialism.

It's the wholesale looting and expropriation of everyone.

But instead of just the British merchants directly,

it's the British capital through this new Indian ruling class.

Actually, it's the same thing, actually, to be honest.

Because the Indian ruling class...

We left India a good nation too, and we left them structures with the Indian Parliament.

India was a shithole under the British and after the British.

No, we left them structures to govern each other and...

No, you see the British really did a number on the viability of Indian governance.

And it's the same with Africa.

We left them structures to

go in each other. Great structures, great borders, great everything. True, just like

Sykes Pico was the greatest blessing to the Middle East, it was just beautiful.

But it's not, these things that are not unborn harsh.

We left them courts. These savages would kid each other, they would, they would try, dude, there's cultures

and there's cultures all over the world're just kidnapping women and raping them.

And we civilize these barbarians.

What's the, I think you're laughing because you know it's true deep down.

These barbarians were civilized.

I just, I don't think they were barbaric.

I think that, um, the British were barbaric. I think that the British were barbaric.

And they came and just came and you just called them barbarians and killed everyone.

It's pretty barbaric, right?

You didn't kill everyone now.

But yeah, but you get the idea.

You just came, you're like, oh, they were barbaric in it, and he just

like attacked everyone, killed them. No, no. Or it's okay, sometimes you enslave them, all right?

Let's be fair. No, wait, wait, so India's still Indian. At Rhodesia, Rhodesia collapse, it's still fucking some mob way.

South Africa, the white people are getting genocided.

Yeah, but all the resources are still being stolen.

So it's like, you know?

And?

Okay, so only thing that changed was the surface nothing else but their people are still there the people the civilization

Okay, well they're okay, that's not European unlike Europe which has been completely destroyed right now by

the ruling of Easteneg reads.

I do advocate for change like you, but I think your arguments and destroying like Anglo

Anglo history is, I just can't comprehend it, dude.

You have this raging hate for angler.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not destroying history.

I'm just acknowledging a multipolar world taking shape.

That's it.

There's a multi-polar world that's taking shape and at the end of the day, you're the traitor

because you're betraying America and you're deciding with the enemy.

That's just a reality. There are enemies to use.

You want people to go back to coal mines. You want people to start to try my mine or something.

That's what you want. What I'm saying is, you know what, I don't want American people to die.

I want... You know what? Let's just have nuclear war and everyone dies. Is that, are you happy with that?

Why don't you just put the American people first? Why do you...

Because I don't want a nuclear war. I don't want us to all die in a nuclear war. That's why.

It won't be a nuclear war? Yeah, there will. What, you think there's going to be a nuclear war, Chamronder? If you try to prevent

multipolarity, it's just going to be a nuclear war. Okay, well, if China and Russia initiates

that, then, you know, will you still be defending China and Russia?

Yeah, you probably will. Like, it's, it's, I think deep down, you know, you're being insane.

Well, I'm, look, I'm such an American Yankee patriot. Whenever people defend their homeland,

it just, it just, I can't help, it's touching, I can't help it.

Just like you're British, when people are sitting down having tea and crumpets, I'm sure

that that's a heart throb for you too, okay?

Well, I live in N, mainly like, Indian area.

So, and these, and these people, they just eat curry all day

and they have like a weird mixture of, you know,

curry and sweat, so I don't, I can't really,

I can't really say, I can't really comment.

But, I think 100% when you have everyone in London 300,000

people marching in London for Palestine right I think you have to sit in

there and really ask yourself where has Anglo civilization gone and they think

well you know what you're

happy about you praise it I hear the smile man I'm not all right you know what

because I'm sick of the wine I'm because I'm sick of the whining it's like the

British have failed to lead their working class to power. It's not my problem

How about just have Sharia law and everyone becomes

Muslim

You win you want when we say you know what no

We're gonna support Zionism in Israel. That's what I actually don't wine. I just sit here and I support Russia and Twitch bans me all right

That's what I'm doing. Yeah, I mean at the end of the day

I just get banned. That's what I the end of day at the end of day you guys run around chanting

G-H in the street yet based how is

that based

How was it about that because why isn't it why isn't it why isn't it you know look if don't, look, if the British converted to, if the British converted to Islam, it would solve all their problems.

You don't have to, you don't have to practice everything. I don't practice everything, but at least have beards and you know have that warrior you know

what I mean I'll solve all the problems we got to operate like the Jews we like

to manipulate from a hundred strings that's more our tactic so yeah and then we

use you much to like fight among each other and

then start screaming death to Israel I can't believe like the bellful

declaration as well we gave we gave you the British mandate of Palestine and you

somehow fucked that up you couldn't make an agreement.

Like you were just like no kid all these Israelis oh this not 10 Jews living in

Israel no we have to genocide them all like and we're the intolerant ones

apparently we're the barbaric. Why should they have ceded all their land, all that land to a fake country?

What do you mean a fake country? It's a real country.

It's there. Go on Google Maps and tell me it's not real.

I don't see it. I'm looking at it now.

I'm looking at it now. I don't see it. It's real. I'm looking at it now. I don schizophrenic man. It's real.

I'm looking at it now.

I don't see it.

It's not there.

Israel is a real nation.

No, it has.

There is people willing to pick up their guns and fight for Israel.

There's Israeli patriots.

No, I think that's the mental hospital.

I don't think that's true.

Oh yeah, an entire, yeah, an entire nation's in the mental hospital.

Yes, and they do what they need is Sharia law to psychiatric evaluation through Sharia law.

Yeah, because five Marxists nerds on the internet just can sit down and say you're not a nation and

Apparently, you know, you guys determine I I have officially

Yeah, they're not a nation. That's not real. It's good. You believe it. Yeah, that's the like it's't that's not real it's good you believe it yeah that's

it's not it's you can deny fact you can deny fact facts or facts I mean the

documents are that's a nation the belt where where where where show me

show me it now they're part of the UN well where me. Show me it now.

They're part of the UN. Well, where is it? Show me.

They're part of the UN? Show me it right now.

Okay, what makes a nation? What makes a nation?

Even Stalin's classification of the national question, Israel is a country country. No he didn't. He said

Jews aren't a nation so it's not. Jews aren't a nation but they speak Hebrew, they

revived Hebrew. He said that doesn't he said that doesn't. He said he's you realize

most people that live in Israel are second.

Read, read his arguments.

It's not a nation.

It's a fake, gay, nonsense.

It's just mental hospital.

It's not a nation.

You guys, you guys keep on invading Israel, when Israel is a nation, they have a culture,

they have patriotic people.

What?

What did you say?

I didn't hear what, what country?

I care.

You're just throwing.

No, for real.

Why can't you just condemn terrorism? Just condemn Hamas. Condem the terrorist group Hamas.

I condemn Zionism, it's terrorism. I do condemn Zionism.

It's such a troll man. You just can't condemn terrorism.

These people are-

Your name is Camp Buccia and Joyer. Shut the fuck up, dude. It's like we know you're trolling.

I'm not trolling. They have to, Israel have to write self-determination.

I've genuinely had this view for ages, by the way. I used to get banned from all these communities because I used to defend the colonialism

Okay, it doesn't really make sense. Okay, anything else anything else, all right?

I'm trying to defend Israel here, but you're just pretending

I'm right. You condemn Hamas man never a mask. Why can not you condemn Hamas man never a mask why can't you

condemn terrorists invading a nation stealing kidnapping old woman kidnapping

babies and running across by the border is that not fucking like savagery to

I'm just such a bad person because I'm a really bad guy. That's why.

So you've given up. So you've given up under the way. You concede? No, no I win.

All right. Anything else? You've given up. Anything else? You've given up. Anything else? You've given up. You've literally given up. Anything else?

You're shutting down and you're going into trolling mode. You shut down.

So how long do you want to be in VC? How long?

Why are you just trolling? Look, I'm genuinely... I'm not trolling. I don't, you're not, you're talking nonsense, all right?

You're saying terrorism, I already debated this today in the space.

Well, it's the most relevant political conflict right now, so.

So, well, we debated it before, so just go hear what I said then.

Why can't you just condemn a mosque? Condem them? Condemn what?

Condemned Hamas? Why? I just I can't. Why? Why? Why? Why should I? Why should you? Because they're kidnapping old women, they're taking babies.

They're taking hostages, sure, but they're in a war, and then they have their own people

in prisons and they need leverage to prevent everyone from being killed.

So what do you want to debate Israel?

Wait, you said you want to debate right wingers, right?

You want to debate white nationalism?

Uh, tomorrow, okay?

Not now.

My gosh.

Right.

When are you going to get out the strolling?

Because you're just trolling me.

I'm not trolling.

I will...

Ah, man. I'm a good safe day to trolling. I will... Ah, man.

I want a good safe day to debate tomorrow then, and I don't want you trolling.

On white nationalism.

All right.

If it's not tomorrow, it'll be like sad.

Next time I go live, let's say that.

Whatever.

Yeah, okay.

Right.

Get out of your troll and moves, okay. Right. Well, get out your troll and move, man. Okay. Goodbye. Yeah. Goodbye.

All right.

Okay.

All right, guys. I gave you a great stream.

Um.

I don't want to stick around because the subscriber count will be slaughtered as because

usually I stream at 11 p.m. historically so like I figured out what happens it like if someone

subbed on September 26th it's just going just gonna like take it away from me now.

So I want to avoid watching the destruction of my subcount.

But I'm gonna stream earlier now.

Call Zirca, why? What's he doing?

See you guys later. See you guys tomorrow.

I'll stream earlier tomorrow.

Tomorrow I'll stream earlier. If I stream. Have I seen Black Red Guard slandering Jackson? I have.

But like, who cares? The guy's a fucking nobody. You know? Like who even is that, some retard?

Raid Zirca? Okay. See you guys, bye-bye. See them all.

He's not live. Zirka is not live.

What are you talking about?

He's not live.

He's not live.

What the hell are you talking about?

He is not live. Guys, I'm starving. I gotta go. I'll see you later. Bye-bye.

Bye-bye. See you guys, bye.