GLADIATOR DEBATES [2021-10-09]

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everybody doing all right everybody hold en ough good carly not

alone on a saturday watching me ptty that's ok we're on the same board here wero on the same

we're still on our long march don

eyes this is the age of the long march of which and you to infrareds long march in the long march of our thirty day ban to be honest to be fair that was really our but this is more like a st

allen grad you know we have alienated everyone being attacked on all fronts we have literally alienated everyone understand thank you

always fel thank you so much appreciate you we shate you a lot when is the mty left com mark continuing it's still ongoing

i don't i i can't plan arcs so i worked out today so we should be able to stream very long at least like six hours or five hours

so we should be able to stream longer today

how you weork down

you guys why did i stream late today right oh my god it's the insomnia i went to bed at

six because i can sleep at six minimum right i can't sleep before six at all right but i was in bed for like three hours and then i finally fell asleep at nine and i woke up at three and i realized this isn't enough sleep so i stayed in bed in vain and i got out of bed at like five thirty right went to the gym and

you know i attended all my business at dinner i mean i had lunch and i'm you know i'm starting to realize that i'm living a miserable existence right now i'm so fucking angry i am so fucking at my fucking insomnia i

just want to fucking be able to sleep at night and not waste so much fucking time in bed i'm like wasting like six hoursjt doing nothing in bed just trying to fuck and sleep and it's really starting to fucking get to me you know vitamin d you're right i don't know i think i do need something and something's going on with me right

so i'm going to i'm going to initiate an emergency plan to night to night i'm taking c b d and t h c gummies and they're very bad for my mental health and they're very bad for me mentally in general but this is it is at this point it's a fuckin emergency i got to fix this shit it's starting to fuck my growth on fuckinwitch so badly

you guys i'm in a really bad rut right now and think i'm not growing thank you soviet sig have you noticed my followers have stagnated on both you tube and twitch and this is just the most worst miserable fucking place you could be in in general like terms of my living day to day i'm fucking miserable it's october i want to be able to experience the month

but i wake up at five p m and it's like when i wake up everything's over i miss out on everything right the subs are fine for now although we do you know eventually it has to be much more but it's ok right now but thank you h pitty appreciate you but no i don't think i'm shadow ben it's my fault i have been

ming every day at like eight nine pm which is just disastrous just absolutely fucking disastrous for my growth you know i need to fix my sleep schedule and i need us fix my insomnia so we could start doing our earlier streams right and

i'm going to aim to morrow for a four to five p m stream and a long stream too at that ah i already worked out i did everything to day so i'm going to take edibles later and maybe i don't know what i'll maybe i'll like end the stream when i take the edibles and watch a sqid game which i'm going to talk about a little bit today but

guys i'm not going to let this month pass me by i've let the past like two three months just pass me by and i got to get this show back on the road i've been fucking my own growth so badly

with my focking insomnia

in shitting shity sleep schedule

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butou your visiting family oh yeah

he am streaming tomorrow

i am streaming to morrow because

they uh my dad texted me he said to come monday apparently there was a change of scheduling or whatever so he told me to to come monday so i'm just going to go monday so tomorrow yeah i'm going to be here

you know i'm in a weird state it's like on the one hand i'm

worried a little bit but on the other hand it's like there's a sense of relief that we finally have consolidated the infrared platform like we have our own community now we never used to have that we literally have our own i g g community we have our own thing now you know we we're not dependent on anyone or anything

we're probably going to change the i g g name we can't keep calling it i g g let's call something else because yeah it it just doesn't sound good but you can't say i g g or because it sounds bad you know like we can't do that shit so we're going to do um

why don't we just call ourselves the guerrilla army that's what we are aren't we were the guerrilla army that's what we've always fuckon been for the guerrilla army we've always been the guerrilla army dude we've always been the guerrilla army from the very first days we've been the guerrilla army

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with a gorilla hoard although hoard

whenever i say it i'm scared becuse it sounds like

the mishogenist word if you don't say the d every time i like say words people like read into it as if i'm saying a slur and i'm i'm not this happened a few times actually this happened on czircus show when i said f e d f e d bedz

d i said that and everyone fuck and freaked out and thought i said a fucking slur i was like yeah d g g r a bunch of feds and everyone fucking tried to make it seem like i said the fucking slur that's fucking terrifying that's just terrifying

might be the mke i don't know

i like this song but i hate this part of the song i can't stand the part of this focus song this part of the song sks there's nothing melodic i'll sow you the

good part of the song this part scks walking this is the worst part

oky let me show you why i like this song

it's this forar

i'm going to explain to my taste and music

i'm going to explain

you have never noticed my taste in music

is miraculous music i like music that

devies

expectation and

that's true beauty to me i like true beauty in music let me show you

i mean sure

they got it so well here it's so good

it's ok how bad walking garbage balking this is when it sounds like as sounds like any other fucking j

generic fucking song this is the worst fucking part i hated so fucked much they always have to fuck it up don't theyk they always got to fuck it up so they get this straight they start out the song

sounds like a miraculous religious holy hymn

and then they just go

ma it's like what the fuck man you know it's like so fucking ugly

there's so many songs that are just like that where it's like

the first part is great and then they just falk it f

yes let me show you another example of this

someone in the chap pointed it out

this is another good example of this

god wats it

sly what's going ond redy

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it's a fuck out of here man

once a cuck in

everything always has to go to shit

you can't just have the good part you know it always has to just go to shit

stand thewn look all aone dress to make you think come strong i've loved you and i ve alone

for some reason this song reminds me of the balkanization of america this is the song the feel like plays when america balkanizes

majone pas iun the sa tes familiione de pala whenever i listen to this that's what i think of we have chepart the garrocharge his son no you've come more truly farthest tork you that the dead yet epart the dear p g the

you guys don't get it okre you don't get it presed you don't get it ok

yeah go on it the i think you guys don't understand how much this idea of the

usa i'm attached to almost religiously like i have never felt such a strong sense of destiny as that i this is what i live and die for you know i want to explain the idea to you guys because i really feel like even the people who support support it don't understand

you know i feel like you guys just don't get it like how historically it's fucking historical mission you know in order to explain it you have to have watched

and be familiar with david lynch does anyone know about david lynch anyone anyone watched twin peaks or anything david lynch is the most important american artist

of the past century maybe he's the most important american artist of the twenty first century he is american art what america is ok i want you aus to understand what american materialism is look what is america what is america guys is america about

look like the mythology of the founding fathers in the constitution no there's something unique about america that

has to be understood

america is both the great satan

and the liberator of the world

and i'll explain why it's both at the same time

i'll explain why it's both at the same time the give me a s

you guys know where the word patriot comes from you guys know what the word patriot comes from

patriot you know where that comes from right you know

iout in the modern sense of the word ibout in the modern sense well whatever it's origin you know what really

ly initiated patriotism exi into common use was the us were of independence yeh those were the patriots the patriots why is patriotism pving its origin in america as we know it in the modern age

and how can you connect that to david lynch how can you connect david lynch to patriotism

know think of it in materialistic terms terms of materialism ok this is where it's going to start to make sense the patriots were the sons and daughters of the country that's what it was they were the sons and daughters of the country

they had roots in the soil that's where the patriots were they were the material people the people in the material sense of the word like what is the people is it just the people in the sense of this civic i sorry the state rights recognized people know it's the people in the material and earthly sense

the earthly people right that's what it's meant by the people ok and what that means is it's the people as they are regardless of their etiology regardless of their morality regardless of their you know their their character their ethics regardless of their ideas and regardless of their you know

regardless of their what's going on in the head it's the people right it's the people regardless of how this is being you know reflexised and rationalized and made sense so that's what the people means right so patriots represented that urch irish repatriots

that's what the patriots were right

and yet it's not for it's not unrelated to patriarch

actually it's related to patriarch

right because that's also what the patriarchal master signifier is too but that's lacons stuff i

i can't explain it right here

this signifier master signifier basically is like a type of objectivity that has no regard for the imaginary ways of coping with it it's like you know like the patriarchal maile is like the face you know the yes face that mean the yes face that's what it is think about this face i'm going to

you see his face this is basically the the face of the patriot and the patriarch whatever you want to call it that's what it is any time there's it says yes says oh but you're immoral all but you're settlers all but you this

and yet and yet there's still something material in objective that has no regard for morality no regard for ideology no regard for ethics no regard for any reflexive form whatsoever it's something material right now the way this is been conceived from the persect

of american whssopy has been something called pragmatism and american philosophical pragmatism has oftentimes been confused with english utilitarianism so the idea people think of it when pragmatism is basically like ah will be flexible as long as we can realize our end goal we're going to use whatever

means necessary right that is not pragmatism pragmatism is in some i philosophy which privileges what works not what works as a utility to realize some ends but what works if something can work and just survive the consistency of being realized right and

actually maintain its own structure or consistency that's the object of pragmatism american pragmatism it's a very unique philosophy right american pragmatism is about what works now relate that back to patriotism right the patriots but you can have a mo pretty

you can have an ethical critique you caln have an etiological critique you can do whatever you want but yet it works these are people who are boiling the land they're killing the soil and it works its somehow works in this sense of like materially reproducing themselves

and materially reap

forming the foundation of the entire mode of production

material right it works

you can be against patriots cacuse they're

racist and immoral and all this kind of stuff but

it doesn't matter

think of the american quin when is the american mentality right

right

regardless of your culture you can be in france you can be in japan lok you can have all your critiques you want everybody loves a hamburger right you can have all of your local

whatever you can have your local culture your tradition oky shut up havef a hamburger everyone likes a hamburger right that's that's the american idea right that's the american mentality it should be critiqued because it's not the absolute chinese china's national spirit is already more advanced than american

spirit and tre and pragmatism but nonetheless this is our legacy is this type of pragmatist materialism that makes sense right now how can we connect this to david lynch why my bringing up david lynch this is notw david lynch will teach you to be a good

materialist because in my view those who have not learned the lessons from american pragmatism american history and american revolution cannot be marxist you can't be a marxist materialist unless you just pass through this and i agree it's not the final stage of of thinking and whatever but

you have to pass through it right so what's david lynch about the number one problem people have with david lynch's movies and t v shows it doesn't make sense it's not rational it's like what's the point what's this what's the meaning and what's the point right that's the first impression people have

but lynch is doing something quite deliberately he's trying to say that if we foreclose the prejudice of ascribing meaning or the intention of expressing a kind of meaning and loaded with moral ideological and you know intellectual motives and if we resist the tendency that we have

to just like rationalize what we're doing when we make art things are nonetheless happening david lynch works do't have it the intention of meaning behind them like he's not he doesn't have a meaning in his head and then he imposes that meaning he just does shit because he just thought of it and he like you know it's pretty neat

and he just does it right and his idea is that in terms of our unconscious something's going on still even though it doesn't make sense to us and we cannot ascribe to it the intention of meaning

something is going on it's doing something

fro to our experience because

even if it doesn't make sense to us

something is working it somehow just works

when when

cooper in twin peaks he's got his cup of coffee and he's afe you know whatever the fuck's doing it works for some reason it works and it becomes a mem and it's like it's very memorable to people for some reason there's there's something about it that ticks and clicks and it just works right

it just works and to me the beauty of david lynch is it's this materialist understanding that etiology morality the intellect rationality as far as it is rationality for us it's not premise reality

ok it doesn't premise reality there's a material reality that somehow works that somehow is real that doesn't care about our you know agential prejudices intellectually theoretically etiologically or morally it doesn't care it's still there right

but this is a double edged sword so let me explain to you why this is the liberation of mankind from european madernity the whole mankind becomes liberated the soviet union china these would not have been able to revive themselves their civilizations and overcome the challenge of european madernity had it not been

the american er right which is not the last era of history but was in europe right because if it's true that material reality is not bremised by the rational cartesian subject who wants to ascribe reason and meaning and narratives and idiology onto reality first

before exploring reality what this basically means is that reality is open there is a special chinese reality there is a special russian reality that is open for exploration in a way that does not consult the a criterion of european rationalism and european modernity it basically means

china can conceive of itself in the material sense of the chinese civilization and recognize the objectivity of the chinese civilization independently of where this fits within the scheme of the totalizing rationalism of european madernity european majurnity is a

izing rationalism it tries to integrate everything into its story right but after the american era humanity is now liberated to pursue

ah the practice

to pursue the objectivity of its own practice and its own nature

right

but it's also a double leedged sword it also corresponds to the final form of the european majornity and why because american pragmatism basically means a reflexivization of practice it basically means that yes if it works it works regardless of ideas morality we get that but

the very measurement of practice becomes imposed on objective real practice in other words you have the end result of basically the talizing american scientific technocratic control over the whole world american un polarity right the rule of universities and institutions

the rule of medical experts like bill gates and so on and so on yes practice if it works whatever right but the only types of works that are acknowledged are the ones that can be measured according to knowledge so ideger talks for example about cybernetics as the end

humanity and the reason for this for high degre is that with cybernetics we are making our own ground our own substantive material ground of being we're making this artificial in accordance with the reign of technology and experts and universities and so on and so on this is the danger that's posed by americanism and americanism in its limitation does not

recognize that the idea platonic idea for example has a place in the material of being like idealss morality thece are real right reality is not premised by our finite and limited sense

of morality and the ideas but the still somehow fm reality part of reality right and this is where americani ism reaches its limits but before you can macknowledge this age of soalism with chinese characteristics for the chinese age of modernity right the chinese age of modernity being basically

defined by the concrete universalism like it's not just an empty needlestic david lynch were of you know chaos influx of od and you know drawing things out of it that have no meaning but are nonetheless somehow working the chinese arab basically means that the universalism of idea

the spirit the guist and the civilization is imminently a part of material being from material being but you cannot get to the chinese era without passing through the american and my problem

with those who are against a

american patriotism and claim to be anti americans

is that all they're doing is clinging to the british aesthetic

the reactionaries against america from the standpoint of britain you can't properly critique america until you go through it

through david lynch through american pragmatism to me finally

why is i envision the balkanization of america and the future of the united states through the communist party because to me since the american era is coming to a close the american era of the world is coming to a close it's so funny how people accuse me of browder ism when like the whole founding mission

of the infrared collective has been in acknowledgment that the american era is coming to an end the american era of world history is coming to an end o k absolutely but now the chickens are coming home to roost which means america must confront itself

it's spread out throughout the whole world and the idea is that to me the communist party usa means america confronts itself and finally sizes up before its own historical consequencesm united states of america

its contribution to world history its significance for world history this must be concluded it must be realized to me that's what it means to me it means you know people think that as an american patriot i have some fixed

view of the future i don't dot know it's going to be in the future to me really grappling with the united states as a chapter in world history means a new openness to the future if we can consolidate and acknowledge the sixty significance and contribution to america

to world history then this basically means this material pragments patriotism whatever you want to call it that we a knowledge independently of idological moral theoretical prejudices once we can acknowledge this we can finally use this as the launching path and the base

system to explore the wealth of determinate pulture of mankind america has no culture it has no determinate culture it's just this kind of pragmatic

ah abstraction right

but to me if we win america it means

we have now the united states of america this basically abstraction devoid of any content as the launching pad

with which we can finally explore our own determinate humanity the united states is not the end wll the end g is a humanity right the end wll is a concrete humanity but the united states is just an acknowledgment of the end pecedence

of material practice before the ethically charged cartesian subject imposes their own prejudice upon the world

but people think for example what about american settler colonialism this settler pioneer colonialism can be read interpreted no longer as for example this structural preservation of the purity of whiteness against the outside against the indigenous and

nature and whatever's outside selar colonialism should itself be reinterpreted as a new foundation with which a new openness with which we can examine our determinate humanity explore our determinate culture and our reality we fut the bondage of more ethic

european prejudices to me america is about reading the world from europe america's contribution to world history was liberating mankind from europe from european modernity more specifically but at the same time that america has liberated mankind from european majernity it is the final stage

of the enslavement of mankind the european majornity it's both it's both who is

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what comes after the american era the american era is already over we're now in the chinese erope we're living in the chinese europe to me the mission of the communist party usa is to reconcile the decisive contribution of american spirits to world history with this new chinese era we should

must reconcile and finally conclude the chapter of the american era of world history and be reconciled with this beautiful new chinese erope that's why it's so important to me that we must learn from china

i don't think capital is an automated subject in the sense of being just some completely autonomous machine devoid of the whole point is that capital is it is fundamental estrangement of the human being

so whatever it is that you ascribe to the capital that is coming from humanity

with all of its subjective baggage and everything

listen materialism doesn't mean just a pure self subsisting objectivity materialism basically just means let me show you what materialism means

i'll show you again this is what materialism means this is it basically this is just all it means that's it materialism is thes openness regardless of what happens let me explain tom what is a material object i'll explain to materialism one to one this is what separates materialism from idealism

right materialism basically means that regardless of forms and appearances there is some consistent symptom w just says yes right there's so many there's a wealth of appearances and differences and ideas in reality but they all share just this common objective material

syptom it's like well regardless of that this is still the symptom this is still the material object right that's what basically materialism means this is what is the material content this is what is material right material as opposed to what as opposed to a parent and inessential and superficial this is what is materal

maial right materialism basically means this symptom the object the common bread that conditions is the range of possibilities there's a range of indeterminacy and possibility the materialism the material object is just the thing that is the thread that a

which ultimately conditions this range of possibility that's what materialism means now idealism is the certain type of prejudice according to whichs the screaming soy guy so this screaming sory guy hod on yes mean yeh

this bek it is kind of confusing me see here so let's just look at this one the idealism is this guy this is idealism this guy usually has

a whole paragraph where he's trying to superimpose some kind of narrative or some kind of cop onto reality and idealism is basically we you attempt to superimpose upon

material erratic and treat the material object as though it's being premised

by some ideal form

right

and this is why idealists are literally always like this they they always have this cope idea

that reality is always already identical with their reflexivization of it idealism is the fanaticism of reflexivity right materialism is just this this is materialism understand

the chad face is a face of philosophical materialism that's the chad face that's what it means america should become a colony of china

here's what i envision for the future of america first of all i do think america will balkanize i don't think maybe it will be a civil war will balkanize but the communist party must prepare and lead the effort to reunite the united states of america then the united states of america will re emerge as the union

ate as the tail end of the world which is eternally engaging in this industrial technological and innovative kind of base of the world the rest of the world is settled in a civilization america will be a nomadic

state a union state a state that's think the world of debt stranding you know what i think of the future of america look at the word of debt stranding in debt stranding you have nature and you have a bunch of settled noes that are being connected to the work of transportation and building infrastructure that's what the union

state of america means to me it means just the bunch of nodes a bunch of adams that are connected in a union so this state is not like china where it's like this vast over encompassing land and that's the state this state is the way it's connected the connection of noes the connection of settlers and noes is the state right

settlersing for setler colonialism ironically i think the significance of the american settler is not simply one of white supremacy now of course american settler colonialism was white supremacist historically but that's not

all it was it was also it was also a new found it was also a way of placing humanity on a new foundation devoid of the old prejudices as an opportunity to really explore humanity what humanity is for example i men't sey this would be humanity of the

the white settlers and not the indigenous people but this stupid idea that there's two reasons i'm against land back eologically speaking i'm against it in terms of what it means idologically right forget about policies the etiological significance of land back i wholly oppose what it seems to be

me this idea that since america is missing a determinate substantive civilizational and human content that it must entirely be returned to indigenous people because they are indigenous to this land and do represent some kind of substantive and determinate but to me this is a cope because in no way is united states incompatible

was that

think we're missing the significance of what the united states is

the united states does not mean no substantive

natural native and indigenous reality the united states is simply the manner by which humanity is placed on a new foundation and from this foundation

one is given the opportunity to rediscover their substantive humanity so it's a cop oup to ignore the decisive contribution of america to world history and return to the british moralism and vulgar materialism according to which according to which material reality

iss already latent with some kind of prejudice for the idea being basically that this hobbsy in british materialist view that for example united states is just based on row power relations between different groups the white supremacist opposing everyone and also how could

you be american listen to what makes me such an american patriot i'm a bavid lynch american patriot and the reason is because whenever people approach me with the criticism howd you american patriot when the crimes of se colonialism and slavery and all those bad things then i know you don't get it and you may want to make me double down i know you really didn't understand what a

america is and what patriotism is america if you're just trying to superimpose morality you are still in the british stage of world history you never passed into the american one which is about material practice which is not premised by any moral ethical whatever judgment just the materiality

of practice that's what defines the american ara of world history i'm open to intelligent critiques of my view of

america because i have doubts trust me i have doubts i am not a fanatic american ideologue who needs americanism as part of my i have struggled with this for years right but now i'm at a point especially when i started going live the's n i'm going to explain to you guys why did i really start to emphasize

american patriotism because as i lived in isolation i basically became a kind of anti american i basically adopted this view that america's done china is the future this country's cursed this country is

the end of humanity this humanity is just done in this country it's

there's no future for it right

there's a new chinese era

i you know i'm waiting for the destruction of the united states i'm waiting for the collapse of the united states

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then i started to go alive

and i still maintain my populist view though that ok there's still human beings that live here there's still working class majority that lives here people who have humanity who are human beings ok and what's what about them right and so to me populist

and so on was a way in the back of my mind to overcome americanism american people can overcome the disease of americanism by fighting for themselves by discovering themselves right but then you know time started to pass and i started to see the people who were endorsing this kind

of anti americanism view

and it was i realize there's an inherent nealsm in it which is unable to pose a threat to the american era at all it's like americanism created an emergency backdor for itself in the form of anti americanism and in this way by being an anti american in america where you hate america

you're maintaining the the needosm of american majornity while a cluding its actual form you're not acknowledging where it's coming from your suprem repressing the very source of your pathology right instead of confronting your symptom your pathology you're repressing it

in the form of this anti americanism which is deeply disturbing and neholistic like i had you know one of the purges we had in our community was of people who were of that kind of neholistic anti america view and those people just disturbed me so greatly they disc they disturbed me so greatly because

the basis of their entire position was this fundamental american needalsm right which has no reconciliation a bad infinity of bitterness hatred needalsm just i'm talking about my my evil exx mo which is like the villain of infrared right

and all the people associated with them they were all this kind of anti american nlism right these people convinced me they gave me the final push to convince me that look i was born in this country i was raised in this country

this is my country it was defined who i am

and yes the american era is over

but if we're communists living in this country

we have a duty to the hundreds of millions of people that live here to lead them through this change and through this coming crisis

and we need to make peace with america we need to reconcile ourselves with the reality of america and the significance of america for world history we need to be reconciled with it ok because to me my will position in relation to modernity is that

i viewed that it's a lost in lightenment the mongl modernity created a lost inenlightenment where we have lost the real significance even of the european madernity so america must be reexamined from the perspective of the mongol lost and lightenment there's some

thing we forgot about the american majornity that we should remember the anti americans are only repressing the evil part of america that still defines them you believe america will collapse and call yourself a patriot yet absolutely like an ironic

my response to you is literally just yes i do believe that i am an american patriot and i do believe america is going to collapse my patriotism is about the future not just the present and to me it's about when america collapses the communist party must unite this

ree again that's my view that's my like secret view right i don't really say it openly but that's my view i do think it's going to collapse but now i realize america must be restored in a new way you know like america's going

collapse and with the finally an opportunity for us to actually confront what america is because if america is something real that's not just going to be a flash in the pan of history then it will be reconstituted in a new way otherwise this is the final end of america if it's the final end of america then america as a whole was just a

accident and it was just a mistake that is meaningless and means nothing but do you see where i see the needlesm in this to hundred years of history was just meaningless it meant nothing what it actually mean for world history what did it mean for the people living here refused to accept that everything was meaningless and america meant something

we will never gain power

look i'm not god so i don't know i don't know what's going to happen in the future but all i can say is that if i'm a communist which i am then i consider it my duty to prepare the communist party for this future that i see coming if i believe it's coming

and just to try our best we just need to try our best we need to do our best we haven't even been doing a fraction of our best and you know i know we haven't been doing a fraction of our best because these leftists are willfully puilding us back and willfully coking us and willfully

preventing us from being able to connect with the people and being able to connect with this country what i'm saying is heretical it's earned me so much hatred and it's furdly so many people attacking me and just for saying this wen' even try anything yet we didn't even try anything yet before were even allowed to try there trying to stop us

so yes we're going to go through with this yes china is next this story of world history is about china i'm not trying to sit here and try to make it about america ok the future is not going to be about america it's going to be about china and

it's going to be about other countries but i'm from this country right i'm born and raised in this country and this country is still you know it hasn't collapsed yet and i really fear for the future of both this country and the world because we're in denial and our leaders are in theo and they're trying to make us go to war

with china over taiwan and this this roting niccrophili abiding administration is leading us a the so much dangerous things emerging in america a new fascism is emerging not from trump but from leftist from disgruntled ex bern people from

these d s a people from these left wing fanatical people and then come o might bik presidency were a dangerous spot guys we're a dangerous spot we need to end the nightmare we need to end this nightmare ok that's what i want to work for

i decided to let you know

sut and let you know

so you goa fur

i'm not trying to like make the world about america world history has moved on from america right

but the curse of americanism has not yet fully been

eliminated and i think if were communists living in this country

we have a duty to try and break this curse and lift this curse for our sake and the sake of the work people of the world

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what would you predict the kamala presidency would be like you want to know what i think mala presidency will be like and our future is going to be like an ironic

don't laugh squid game squid game is our future our future is squid game our future is squid game you want me to explain why let me blow my nose and i'll come back and explain to you why

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explain squid game to you and it's why ha squid game blown up in relevance so first i want to talk to you guys about some scary stuff speaking it's octoberre allowen right so i have some scary spooky things to talk to you guys about really spooky stuff last night when i was watching squid game it finally clicked in my head

what the fuck that show was about for the past year or more havever currently been having dreams and i thought i was alone in this but i'm actually not of very disturbing return to childhood dreams where either i'm embodied

in the body of myself as a child or a child like i'm experiencing the dream as a child

yeah

as an adult

me and all the other adults

my age are sent back to a elementary school like

it's elementary school except

it's everyone i grew up with

coming back and we're all like you know we're all in the computer lab and like hey it's been a long time you know like it's you've grown up a lot like yeah you've grown up and we're back in elementary school for some reason you've been having on do how many people been having shit like this

you had one to yeah that's how i know it's a collective unconscious thing i know for a fact it's something permeating all of our collective unconscious yeah i know for a fact yeah

you guys having it to right i thought i used to think i was the only one but i started to talk to people and other people have been having it to right i thought i was the only one i had a really disturbing one th and one that i don't know if i want to talk about on switch

not because it be but it's really graphic and disturbing let me just say like this i was in a really white building it looked like a like a technology artificial building right just kind of like a hospital but no hospital equipment just like white right

and i was experiencing the point of view of a child in i don't have any trauma that i can recall right as a kid

and i was with another child and we were brought to a room in one of this this white building and the room was designed for children it just had like all the children's toys and it just had it was like a white pure white room with just some like children's decorations and stuff right and

there was two grown women in the room who were like like i remember like i or someone else was crying for their mother and these two grown women were like laughing at us and mocking us and what they did afterwards i don't really want to talk about

right but you i didn't experience anything like graphically but that's like when i woke up right when they when they started to like get close to us i woke up right so i didn't experience anything but yeah it was one of the most disturbing dreams i've ever had and in the same dream get this it's so weird i s i don't want to like

be superstitious with you guys or whatever but in the same dream beforehand

it was like

it was like a movie and it was showing sergey brin the former c e o of google and he was wearing like a google glass it was in the same building right in a different part this white building where he pulled up an interface

and he's buying tanks and he's buying like military equipment he's like i'll take that i'll take that i'll take that and he's like he's wearing like google glass and he's like he's opens up this like interface where he's like buying military stuff for his private army yeah that's i have no fucking idea why i had that drink

it wasn't magic ok because i did have an idea of silicon valley and what it's doing and this kind of stuff so it's it just seemed really weird that i dreamed of that you know i think we all have similar subconscious thoughts our subconscious

content right now not you know so buty look on makes a guest appearance within swid game do want you guys to think about one of the first w the first striking thing about swid game of all the participants they're all in debt everyone in squid game is in debt they're all in debt

this is the first probably number one reason why squid game got popular everyone's in bucking debt right everyone is in debt

what does that mean though right what does it mean that we are in debt as a societys fut there's no way out but that's an extremely traumatic thought there's no way out there's no end of the tunnel there's no meaning to this the fuck are we going to do if we're all in debt what does that say it's something's about the fucking happen right

we're on the verge of a collapse it's called bankruptcy ok what happens when all of society goes bankruptcy dumb fuck this is unsustainable debt ok we yeah ok but that's too traumatic to accept

so how do americans and people in the world repress that trauma they fantasize of an idea that you can wipe away this death if we place you in this controlled scenario that you're going to fight for your life for right sqid game is a fantasy

that things are under control right and that the cruelty that we're experiencing which just comes from reality and no one's actually responsible for

that this cruelty has some kind of purpose behind it some kind of meaning

right and that's why

we all love watching squid game we all love this idea

that were all suited up and being taken care of and that

we're able to like

situate this cruelty that we're facing by the random contingencies of daily life

into some kind of structured ordered system and plan and ultimate plan right

like yes there's a cruelty and swid game they shoot you in the head if you lose the game right no the cruelty is not the game per se but when you lose the game right because if you can win the game we're fine and we can get out of that but you know they're there really what's the fucking wordre like they're transferring that can random meaningless

contingencies of everyday cruelty and objective cruelty of our situation into something controlled and planned and what makes it so fucking disturbing right is is this aspect of the childhood now why do you guys think there's it aspect of ning the participants into childhood games it's so

fucking disturbing but why is it so disturbing right because as the generation unable to grow up we're returning

to the kind of fantasies of our childhood this same sense of comfort that i just talked to you about about like things being controlled and whatever that's called being a child when you're a child like when you're in school and elementary school everything's being taken care of for you

right however cruel however bad you can always ascribe to that some kind of like agent like in school right you can't just say reality is the problem it's the teacher's fault or it's the principal's fault or whatever there's some kind of agent there right

and when we're in debt tho you can't blame that on anyone it's just the reality no one's controlling it's our reality we're in debt right squid game is about how terrifying it is when one tries to repress

this basic trauma this contemporary trauma we're trying to cope with reality and repressi

and the result is squid game

right

that

come desig move the to shats a b the meis chippasks full measures

please canakin mushm continue sad for the dead gasill god in siki lus sy n ma

who are we in debt to thanks squid game is basically about the laconians

psychosis it's basically about lockonian psychosis so one of the typical features of psychosis is finding consolation in the whole some imaginary of your childhood is remember childhood is basically the the stage of the pre symbolic stage of your life

where you find consolation in whole some imaginary forms right then there's a radical castration rupture that introduces you into adulthood right within the psycho analytic dy and whatever scheme which so fucking terrifying about swit game is it's like it's reintegrating this castration of into the symbolic or

back into the whole someom imaginary forms of childhood in the form of like a structured game that's systemically consistent and whatever and also the imagery from the actual childhood imagery of like playgrounds and childhood games and shoitl like that it's reintegrating this castration into a feature of this imaginary

universe in the form of if you lose the game you get fucking killed you want to know what squid game reminds me of even evn are infant tile childhood like social media a kind of squid game social media is extremely childish

it's snowflakes and sensitive twitches sensitive appealing to people's feelings and pandering to them but if you break the rules and lose the game you wre walkingd metaphorically can your lif take it away youre acg through the buck mud that social that you

completely eliminated oh weere else we're a very sensitive wholesome nice society so you can get cancelled when you

isn't that a s good game

doesn't this represent our squid game you want to you want to be even a better in squid game the the guards who have the guns are all zoomers isn't that how fucking works this zoomer the guiye

enforcing it zoomer the ones in forcing it all these cancellation mobs are all zomors right pay attention to the generation nothing's accidental pay attense to the generational thing is zoomers control

it the more our society is becoming socialized and sensitive and childlike and the politically correct the more brutal our society is treating those that are outside of

this game right like we're going to get to a point where in disney world it will homeless man breaks into disney world strong is a he start swearing and shoud there's going to be a sniper that's going to go i gets killed on site it's diney world makey mouse and ini mouse unless

you're an outsider our rule has never been more brutal barbaric and savage yes people right now are being cancelled instead of other things but i'm a psychoanalyst and i know

social deth is the first stage to normalizing violence against those who are considered outsiders of this new disney world we live one of the snother steps to the normalization is and pp violence against right wing extremists

so you look at nonviolent right wingers they're nonviolent ok some of them are nonviolent you disagree with them fine but how are we starting to normalize aacking people violently and endangering people's lives or worse what about what happened in chad

chas the most lit some leftist snow play place glynched black teenagers because they were outsiders

squid play

sqid game

that's where we live in now squid game

and kamala presidency is more squid game squid game is an era

it's an order that is in denial about its own collapse just like in squid game how everyone's in denial about we're all in debt and we're all fuck we're going to do squid game to be in denial about it

you can do anything your life s fm killing since the ninetiesre just normal maga guys yet even normal maga guys are getting attacked violently for their views point strees like for same thing happening to the on vaccind

in the west and in america in britain in australia same thing is happening to the vaccinated it's the same exact thing i don't care aboutk i don't care about is

very emotional person who has not address anything on the basis of the merits of what i've said but is just assuming i have positions that i don't and getting emotional about it so ss not proven to me that they're mature enough to engage with in the first place that's what i have to say about his

thank you when the hears we got to do man the that do when they thouwht you got them they was heard and they was wounded i't think that they go heal some got to get cut off some go have to kill it crazyin stupdle just th one three sort of foll folk fasp some a blok the fes be going down to dote there we got strong sm twice and they might overdose i talk to god in my roserace call it you finish

swid game no not yet i didn't finish yet i didn't finish yet i want to andy advice to you in australia

australia is really nasty right now i have no idea what to say i have no idea what toy

australia seems to be a situation of this total helplessness it's like you can't do anything it's just total fuking

hopelessness

yeah i never even thought about that australia's origin is a prison colony that's fucking insane

here's my advice for australians communists resist

resist the temptation of getting caught up in the content

of this debate about vaccines you're not it's not about the vaccines at all ok you need to make contact with working class australians who foster and promote that into populistic feelings against the government excesses and overreach

that should be the role of communist in australia

don't make it a debate about vaccines it has nothing to do with colbt or vaccines it's not what it's about canadians canadian communists your number one goal politically exit the commonwealth exit the commonwealth is your number one goal union with

united states and exit of the commonwealth that's the maybe not union with the united states right now and the americanism is good in every country except united states andt american sentiment is good in every country except the us if you're in the uk you have to be an anti american if you're in australia you have to be an anti

american you're in canada you should be an anti american just like how in america here we have to be anti britain ti australia and anti canada right this is how we help each other we free each other from our respective ruling classes

what about antichina absolutely not i think they're using the prison colony of australia to test this vaccine mandate that they want to roll out and implement here that's what i think they're using it to test

they're using it as a test

okay

i don't know how can it canada can become patriotic

i don't know how canada can be patriotic i don't know anything about canada so i don't know i don't know how canadians can become patriotic i just don't

a son coming to wor for jag me no don't vote don't vote don't t in canada

australia has a vaccine passport with a thousand dollar fine for not showing a they're testing it there because it's a prison colony and they want to do that to us

should europeans support federalization of europe as bollwar against american influence no don't back kron and like the e u and nato the way you get america is tied up with nato get the bo out of nato nato's the most

important thing to leave you caln also be against the youu but natoes the number one problem

the m twenty five is call forget it forget the m twenty five it's full of a bunch of fok in p m c and whatever forget on forget forget that i like the fucus but the oness very fac is the only good guy in

twenty five

you in the gulf countries i don't know what's going on there i doubt they're enforcing australia's level of draconian measures i would surprise me a great deal what australians meant to do with their flag change it change it

i don't know what you got to do with it i don't i have no idea what you should do with your flat maybe change i don't know ca change it or you can keep it i don't know do what you want with it but you probably want to exit the commonwealth right australia's bet bet is to do

deep in ties with china and integratedself in the region stop being a regional pariah integratedself in the region and become part of the region and deep in ties with china i think new zealand is doing this right think media organization like infrad we found in every country but inf

is our shit right so if you want to do your own thing do your own thing i encourage it but you know it's our own thing

china's fucking our trade oogh no it's not

it's literally not

now slet the boy have feather pan and know what's like how will the wall grew away i cannot buy

cusa stance on mexican american

relations soup forort a lo friendship with amlo what else i don't know just strengthen ties with mexico i guess and a

maybe yeah economic developments i agree north american central american economic developments border yes we need to deepen economic

mutual development specifically mexico in favor of mexico the problem with immigration in united states is it's chaotic we need to forget this open borders bullshit we need to come to a deal with mexico and other central american countries where we can turn it into a

a system right and we can normalize cross border migration and we're got to deal with mexico right kind of like the e u and other economic unions because yes clearly southern part of united states southern southwest united states is part of mexico's

it's part of the proximity of the mexican people like it's there's no way of building a wall and shutting them all up so you should work out to deal with mexico remote mutual developmentmot mexican

national industry and promote american industry win win cooperation that's what i believe in the main source of central america yeah i see that

young an and now

es i it's stupid

taiwan has a bit of a dilemma

we'll join our attick

will america attack back if china attacks should it attack

if attacked taiwan is warning that china could be capable of a full scale invasion by twenty twenty five although considering that since friday over one hundred fifty chinese warplanes including jets and nuclear capable bombers have entered this same areas what taiwan calls its air defense ze twenty twenty five might be wishful thinking on taiwan's part

of course it's always worth pointing out that in the world of geopolitics nothing is exactly as it seems apparently all those chinese planes did actually stay in international airspace and although it certainly wasn't a friendly wave at taiwan it could also be interpreted as a response to this

they lied and said china crossed into taiwan's airspace

two things taiwan doesn't have airspace

that's a lie

second of all

it's not true it's not recognized by anyone

there's no international recognition of this so called airspace that belongs to taiwan

also

i want to know what dylan burns has to say about

america announcing

it has troops stationed in taiwan

which is a violation

of the bilateral treaties with china

international law and domestic law

a domestic american law

it's just

america is just admitting its own fucking criminal

behavior without shame without reproach nothing just fucking admitting it

three aircraft carriers from the u s and u k combined with a helicopter carrier from japan to conduct exercises moorth of taiwan in the same weekend that china made a record number of incursions into taiwan's air defense zone the naves of the u s japan the u k canada netherlands and new zealand were taking part in that so somewhere between china's planes and the west ships bill taiwan shitting itself taiwan's defense

minister says relations with china are at their worst and four decades this little island which keeps

taiwan is a part of china

you can disagree about who the legitimate government is

although good luck considering what the majority of chinese people think

but they are both making claim

to china

they're part of china the place called chinakay

which government is the rightful government

then that was the war there's still war basically

well who who won the war i think the p the p r c won that war very clearly

but you can keep coping

keeps itself busy making semiconductors which make sure everything in your house works properly lives in a very strange diplomatic nework

i'm gonna peel and wash my hands jimmie saik

gotta wash my end and be

bas

thank you dean

grew away i cannot b you brad so i don't know what's on your mind

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i mean i'm not going to go into the history now because you can read wikipedia as well as i can but essentially taiwan believes itself as an independent nation whereas china does not believe that president of china has euphemistically been talking about reunification for some years now saying things like we do not promise to renounce the use of force and reserve the right to us

necessary measures the kind of hints that it will come to taiwan's aid of a war actually starts and in that very american way feeds in loads of weapons in fact the wall street journal said this week that actually some u s troops are already stationedre but there is no official defense pact with washington and america still doesn't officially recognize taiwan as an independent nation which is

yeah all these fucking red you see the top post on redit

was anti china she got all these awards and shit on read it

you frock in shills

you're literally being fuckin herded into this ship by the fuckin

state department in a fuckin

you had a bunch of stupid foks

be

dommaz fucking radters

but how do read it feel about the fact that america doesn't even recognize taiwanit

it's important in the current environment because as this former four star u s general says

the fact that the united states

did not defend

adequately a twenty year ally in afghanistan and walked away and surrendered the country

and that is what they're saying your fate will be

as long as you stay aligned with the united states protection doesn't always seem to be the right word when it comes to taiwan because the strategy around a war there is not so much about keeping people safe but about both sides threatening to cause so much carnage we're going to have the great microphone referendum let's do it

let's do it

the great microphone referendum

n

the war becomes too expensive which is not really that reassuring is it so how confident should taiwan be that its friends will come to its aid well i'll let the uus national security adviser deal with that but if there is military action if that status quo is broken

some people you have know some people have told me

that they literally get turned on by how fuckin loud my voices and me yelling and shit

like more than one

do like no i'm someb one person like multiple people have told me

the dayguses

gt turned on by my fuckin

loud as voice

and focking microphone

did you know that

the least four peopleo told me that

united states prepared to take military action to defend taiwan rather than get into hypotheticals let me just say this we are going to take action now to try to prevent that day from ever coming to pass no thing is joe bd and he's not willing to just sit by and wat sheing pin intimidate and all see about

i feel i should get an even fucking worse my

you know

shouldn't i get a worse mike

guys look at this new commenter it's literally a government socker count

trump lost get over it it's literally a sockerc count

that's literally a government account that randomly goes around just saying that shit

but you ever notice every one on which who matters has a hitty mike

tyler won shitty mike

slicker shitty mke

greek got it shitty mike

every one on fuck and twitch

who people like to watch hezer

yeady

can mike

ok but want to hear something about mike

ay guys w it if your parents are sleeping if your girlfriend sleeping

this is also the the

guys listen

am i the enemy of everyone's girlfriend i feel like everyone's girlfriend fucking hates me isn't that true

everyone's girlfriend hates me so much

everyone's girlfriend is just like

so hostile and sceptical of my meed

everyone's girlfriend fucking hates me did you notice that

why

why does everyone's girlfriend hate me

a message to everyone's girlfriend in the chat

i show them this show them this show them this

your boyfriend is mine now

mm

that's

your boyfriend

is my

he loves me more

than he will ever

love you

ya

som that child them that

here let's com

it's in

think you should be doing anything other thanboding by the gree

i get noise complaints from my neighbours because sometimes i fall asleep wh youre screaming

he suddenly started screaming in it super loud

guys i haven't gotten one noise complaint yet

thtyn one

one on why

because my fucking neighbors wake me up in the morning

when i was trying to sleep in law school last year when i was in law school every foking day they would wake me up at six a m and

spam moth buck and stomp on the ground waking me to buck up

so now i'm getting my revenge

yeah

mhm

you may have the mornings

but i ruled the night

'm fifty fifty on whether he actually knows all that agreement is but joe biden has done the one thing that any millennium with an iphone would do sir the u s and china have reached an agreement in principle for the two presidents to have a virtual meeting before the end of the year yes the two have organized a summit well a virtual summit basically the two men with the world's future in their hands are going to face time each other

at some point in the next few months possibly because she refuses to leave china that's showing them joe realistically speaking taiwan's best chance lies in the fact that generally beijing doesn't start wars

unlike taiwan's mates

if someone wants to debate me on whether i'm a fascist

so let's get ready for this debate

what

what

well

yes i want to talk to you about i think that you are fostering a community here that is quite a lot

fascism

what

i think that you are fostering a community of fascists and i want to know

if you guys are actually fascist

why are we fashus

yes

yes

i said why are we fascists

well

im to since i've uh

went into your discord here i've been

a attacked with

homophobia i've been attacked with

i

hello

yes

yes there are people in here that are denying the weaker genocide there are people ok we hod you horses

what homophobia are you talking about

some people didn't like my political opinions about

taiwan being like a sovereign state and what does that boking have to do with homophobia

they called me the f word

who there

as

some people in your chat the mots did nothing about it

there's not in b c you not off to say that

yeah well

and also your

youre hold on who said that

that anyone say that i don't know i don't is he lying

who is there is he hine

if you're lying you get in

i'm not lying but i'm sure if you look with like f asterisk or whatever you'll find someone that said that

was okay let me look it up right now f

so they typed it what i what if they deleted it though

ya shot the fuckle

nobody said that it look it's easy to believe because you're

your discord chat was

if nobody said that shit

rch

your

you're dei i'm looking into deleted messages no one said it

that's because they can delete the message though fm no they can't they can't delete the fucking messages from the message the leadd messagst channel i only i can only the short runners ca seeed deleaded messages channel you're making that up

ok you want me to look it up then

n

posted in general

when you look it up

hello

why' is it taking so long

why does it take me so long are you listening yeah the guy called me a homosexual

he i thought he called you the f word

when did you do that let me look that up

at five twenty one am it was call sherry mail

but really this is not surprising because you have no he did

you have anti acco he fuck did' you he wasn't even talking and first of all

he's banned

first of all they says he has a white name so he's banned

second of all he said leb he was talking to a lebanese person

saying that lebanon has many

b t people

he had nothing to do with you at all

so you first of all you're lying about that so explain to us how we're fascist if that's not going to be a

a part of it because it's not

while your discord is also defending trump

a a lots of like saying like an ironic

a

they defend conservatism so they're proudly unveaxed

ok

what does that happen to do with fascs your discourse is spreading covit misinformation explain the connections to fascism

well trumps a fascist so you're ok wellll i disagree i don't than a fascist

whath

no i didn't say me i said trump yeah i disagree i don't think trumps a fascist

you do realize he's literally a white nationalist right

no i don't realize that

he literally at the united

right rally said that there were good people on both sides

yeah i think you're just reading into what he says don't he just says why and i'm shit why are all of you people defending trump literally reading into what he said he literally just

trump literally was par tending to be communist and you guys keep punching left your whole community is punching left

i watched some of your videos

and

you're so you're so like nice with ok explain how weur fascist you treat the you treat the fascists on your podcast so well

and then explain how we're fashioning you attack them relentlessly you attack a on you talk avout

you are yeah w we fascist you are i jus like a genius psyop if you are

a what

you are a genius psychological operation if you are

how are we fascist can you explain

uh yes uh

as i said before you're

yeah

hold on hold on i'm forgetting something that's that people were saying to me before

ah yes there was a hole that

the ethno nationalist connection to saying what i was an ethno nationalist

basically everyone because they're saying that taiwan has

i mean that china has sovereignty over taiwan based on them being the same ethnicity

that's not why they have sovereignty but nice triy

ok well singapore is mostly aplic one

singapore is mostly ethnically chinese and china doesn't claim lay claim to the sovereignty overd singapore so

thats not true

singapre

i think that i think that's because they're a mix of different national they're mostly chinese ethnically

ok do you have a source to back that up

okay

singapore demographers

demographics of singapore

ethnic chinese seventy six point two percent of citizens the first

result on google

ah

ok and then why does this

why why do you guys not tie this one into

to being sovereign

because we never said that

first of all what's the name of taiwan's government

n

why are you asking me that

i don't know do you know what the that they call themselves in taiwan

the name of the government

i'ms theick

yes they call themselves the cam t

not

y

that's a party within within uh

taiwan yes but they control it so they have what is the government officially called in the taiwan

the republic of taiwan of course

true

that's not true it's called the republic of china it's not called the republic of taiwan

ok well even if that was the case

how does that give them any right to force them to be under their their fascist government

because taiwan is a part of china

the chinese communist party won power over china

it's still part of china

just because a government you don't like wins power doesn't mean it's not part of china

so if a bunch of

trump republicans

seceded from texas and then conquered the united states you and the institute of fascist

dictators that's not what happened the communist party didn't seced from china and took what took it over

how do you get to decide who s secedes from who how do you because china has more land

china didn't have a unified central government in the first place china was a fucking ah

divided by warlords and divided by different factions and it wasn't even united

the ching din the ching dinas the

gave way to the

republic of china

which collapsed

after the invasion by japan and stuff so

ok but how is this relevant

you don't get to decide

that taiwan

is not part of china

just because you don't like the chinese government

i feel like you could make the same argument for

for basically any government you would say are the nazi germany is the right

the rightful government not the way mare republic

well then that then the argument would be that the german resistance is trying to topple

the nazi government but it's still germany

what but after the fact after they won they they were the rightful government

shouldn't a government be based on western human rights

wait which you said after they won

it doesn't make any sense how are you going to resist

nazis by just seceding from germany

instead of fighting for germany as a whole

that makes absolutely no sense i think it makes perfect sense actually if you if you're just seceding then you're going to concede germany

actually so if you really believe that the chinese government is illegitimate

then you can try and persuade the majority of the chinese people that in good luck

but they don't agree with you

so so you think that any government no matter how cruel it is

overthrowing another one

that is based on more humane values is

like that is the rightful government

yeah

ok so you're a fascist

you you know fan fascism

y you litteral p

how does this help the left at all you are making argument how how my fascist

because you

you in your community constantly defend them

you attack hisssan you attack like

you constantly attacking the left and then you're like making these like

so how does that make us fascist

because fascism is

is

a dictatorship

that

constantly punches left you guys are the

what you're saying so fast any okay

so fascism means any dictatorship that punches left

any dictatorship that constantly oppresses the left because that is what fascism that is the point of it it's

wall the left

and your community is ot so it's all about the left

it's about destroying the left it's capitalism in decay

okay

hold on but it's about so fascism means of government that targets the left

yes

exa but it's also a dictatorship like

so don't you think so do you think you think rogespere was a fascist right

robespear yeah when you the com was i know you

yeah

no because he was left wing no now but he was punching left he was repressing the altra let isc he was he was attacking the monarchy th no and he was a he was punching left against the herbertiss and all these ultra left fanatics yeah but the difference is ali reasoning and all that

but the difference is that you guys don't attack the right the robes

rob spear and his

i forget what his government was called but

they were they were attacking the monarchy and the left it wasn't just a complete suppression of the left while letting the right run rampant that is different in so

and republic we don't attack the right

we do exact the right

no you don't

yeah i defend i've seen the constant ass licking of trump and what trump's actually you

pretty leftist

what

you're trolling right yeah by global standards is pretty less

we attack extreme right right wing organizations like antifo

we're against antifoo that's an extreme far right

white supremacist organization

you're joking right

nope i'm one hundred percent serious

you attack antifa because

there are white supremacist

organization

it sounds more like you guys want to destroy antipa because it's the only

organized yeah they're they're actually fascist right wingers and tples fascist right wingers

no you want to crush anti fo so you can let that

let white supremacist

run loose

but antiva's white supremacist they lynched two black teenagers in chazz they lynched two black teenagers in chaz

individual and they're mostly they're mostly white

and and and min and they the're there they're wrecking and causing damage and and

causing chaos in black neighborhoods

and terrorizing black neighborhoods

ohh oh

n

are you dog whistling about b l m or something

you don't support b l m

i don't support antifa going into black neighborhoods and then the

shitting things up

and then leaving it for black people to clean up their mess

this

at this point you're like this is like just republican fox news talking points of actually antifa was behind the violence it wasn an actual like

civil population outrage actually angry it was actually mostly i was behind the wlook

yeah you know what you guys are fascists fuck you

well how does that make us fascists you know you are fascists

and guess what this is going up on read it i already ok for a conversation before how how are we fascist

an fascism that's why

such as

i already listed a bunch of things you're literally you guys spread cot misinformation

what does that happen you with fascism how are you calling us fascist

even if that's true

because i mean let's be honest you guys do support

you

a dictatorship and you do

want to destroy the laft

why is that inherently fascist

you hear

you see the circular arguments you're making was marx a fascist karl marx

i

cakarl marx would not be not

basically kneeling to the right like you guys do so all marks support of the dictatorships a thelre and right is like a republican thing it's not a fascist thing

okay

karl marx supported a dictatorship and he also supported repressing leftists

what

yeah

say that again

he supported dictatorship and he supported repressing leftists

no he didn't he supported a classless moneyless society

no

he supported the dictatorship of the proletariat

s is on dictatorship

not all

that's not what he means by dictatorship why do we use the word l

but he used the literal word dictatorship to describe the point of the dictatorship of the prot

proletariat

was to overthrow the capitalist class and then disband the state

in like ukraine did

i forget forget what his name was

trotsky put down an actual communist revolution you nesr macno who is a serial rapist and bandit

a more more like

individual slanders across a whole political yeah he was actually your cut you're coping make make no was a serial banded serial rapist

i i really can't with this this is justanism let's le's state you just you support state capitalist fashion let's be honest about it

because ho how a we fascist you are if you are a communist i understand because it would be very depressing to live in a world

we're like no socialist country can you explain how you haven't you still haven't explained how we're fascists

i

exlain you what fascism is i explain what you're going why why is that with fascism is trying to you're trying to destroy left unity you're trying to attack a c why should i care about the left houch

because the

because the left is what's actually going to bring a revolution it

well not a revolution as in a violent revolution but in

like taxing

taxing the rich to like redistribute wealth to everyone to actually make a more equal society that doesn't result in like

some kind of like mass sixty million

dead bloodshah when you when you say that i all i hear is that you want people who are in your class to be in power

so

let me ask you a question

why

is the left and right the essential thing like what about the actual material

wse

why are political spectrums the most important thing

because

you need to you need to be a little more indepth with that what do you mean

the left and right are two different

are two different fastions yt but we have but the meaning of left and right world views but but left and right change across history and like

right becomes left and left becomes right it's like all these things completely change and it's not like a materialist analysis

are you referring to that old

that old thing that happened in american history where the party switched like

what do you not just that there's a bunch of other examples

a well it's pretty obvious that it goes more towards

we have the monarchy all the way to the far right

we have fascism next to it and then we have the republic

it's not trugcracy and it just completely moved that's that's actually not tu what it's not realmism is it's a natural evolution of

yeah but on the other hand

you're talking about right and left is the main thing but

that's neglecting the fact that from the very beginning robespierre

was on the left

but he was very different from other leftists

you know he still believed in

be you know

he still believed in a god he still believed in you know the traditional conservative values and that he was a liberal so what i don't get what your point really wasn't w he really wasn't a liberal

but

he was it

france became a capitalist society

under ok but but the point is that

well across history you just find these examples from marx to lenins to stalin

where

you have leftist but they're struggling mainly against left opportunists and deviationists

where leftist really are the biggest enemies

not right is leftus arm

internal enemies

because you can you can you be see why you see why social democrats oppose like communist right because

they basically destroy left

just broad left wing movements and let why should i care about left wing this left wing that why should i care

because what do you mean potato

like

like because obviously you may not be ha why not just mention the meat and potatoes why do you have to like why should i care about left wing movements like what does that even mean

because it

you don't care about creating a better society even though it's not the one you want you sound like very everyone says they want to create a better society including the right wing not just leftis so that's not so si and we can all agree like even on basic like

human values no i really can't that's what i'm trying to say is that

there's a lot of things so you do have like fascist like value sympathies that you might

so you're basically saying like anyone who disagrees with me is a facist

no i'm saying anyone that that has that's trying to find common ground with the right is probably fascist

well i don't think of it in terms of the right i just think of it in terms of human beings who are written off

my left is

for being part of the real working class

and what if the working class is a fascist

i don't think they're fascist

well you're not giving me charity here why why should i be like a

why are you fear mongering about fastism so much

because are some examples of be or because our government was ly almost thrown just nine months ago and we almost had a fascist dictatorship

i don't think that's true at all

oh so so ok so let me get this straight right now

you're you're you're laughing but you think that there was no threat about that i don't know i don't i really don't

like that you're proving my point though i really don't think there was a threat of your ashic day when your community are constantly giving like

good fit

they're going how was the a threat of fascist let's walk it through how was there a threat if you were a big political party fo let's explain let's walk it you through how was how was your them let's walk it through how was there a threat of fascist dictatorship

because that's what they're trying to do they're trying to kill all the politicians

and instaatee trump as

dictator

but

okay

you so there's there's uh extremist organizations that are trying to do things

marginally like just just because like just because even if it's true that that's what they were trying to do like the al right

yees

even if it's true that that's what they were trying to do you still haven't proven how that was an actual real threat

and i haven't seen any evidence you the were you don't see how breaking into a capital

no you threat you don't think the sar it was just a form of mass vandalism i don't see how it was a threat at all

so with a bunch of

a bunch of bolsheviks broke into the sar

yes are th was a different time period where it's a symbolic act where if you break into if you're getting to a point where you can break into the the

the winter palas

you probably you're seizing power basically that's notw it works anymore that's really what they tried to do

but that was only after all of the political events like happened like they got the support of the soldiers

the constituents assembly was dissolved

they you know that ars government had already collapsed by that point

they actually took over

a capital though

like

but the government had already collapsed by that point

well just because they're breaking into the capitol building

doesn't mean they're taking over the power

that that capitol building represents

yet if all of those politicians were gone tho there'd be no one else left yeah but there was no no one else there was no threat of all the politicians disappearing ok

i mean you

like

you're just

you're just

okay

you're just so is there a single politician that disappeared because if there was a real threat that no of the know but they tried it

they tried but wouldn't wouldn't if it was a real threat wouldn't at least one get like injured or something

well

me just because the defense was stronger and

they had a decisive victory doesn't mean that it wasn't a real threat

how was it a threat like

you realisee anyone can raise hundreds of people to go and vandalize any building that doesn't

that doesn't make it a threat

now fascist dictatorship

and if you recall to have some kind of some kind of convenience store this was

this was world news and it made

the america it made the american government weaker because of it like

yeah so why why should i write well do why should i should tears over the because you know what the left

the left is not going to win if that happens it's going to be the fascists and you're helping them

why should i care about the left me

be

because if you don't you know what happens next

what happens next

ninth

nineteen thirty three happens

i don't think that's what's going to happen

oh i can't help you

so

so hold on

please not

so you're an anarchist

no sock them

oh you're soft and why do you have a hammer and sickle

because it's it's kind of just like a broad sign

what is it a sign only

i'm pretty sure it applies to like democratic socialists and stock gems

no it really doesn't that was the symbol of the unity of the workers and peasants

yeah but simples change meaning over time a they the meaning hasn't changeds the same mean as they do no

how do you think you would fare under a bolshevik government what do you think would happen to you

mm

probably probably gulegs

yeah i think so and if you lived at the time where that symbol

was prevailing i think

i think you know you wouldn't fare that well

but i don't know why are you why do you antiva people use these symbols when

boswex would have hated you

they would have hated people like you

you know

m because they were they were they were they represented the working people and the peasants

it would have hated people like you

the they didn't represent the

these city children who are running around doing crazy shit

solitarians are much alike right

so

um

you still haven't explained how we're a fascist or how trumps fascist or how there was a threat of a fascist dictatorship firs you want to clarify those or

now you pretty much made your point i was trying to figure out if

if my feelings are true or not and

yeah this is going on right at brough

okay

um

so

what do you think about it

do you a sock them

mmhmm

and you realized fifty percent of the country is like pro trump right

yeah

so what should be done with all those people

it's fifty percent of the pble it would probably be fixed with reeducation right

so

how are you going to do that though how are you going to hold down fifty percent of people with with what by what means

to forcibly reeducate them how are you going to do it

here i'll give you a solution

you tax the rich and then you redistribute it to the schools and right

and yeah but they're pro troump pull on they're pro trump and they're not going to go along with your program

i

so how are you going to you know

fifty percent of people how are you going to deal with it

what do you mean they wouldn't go along with it

they're not goinga just they're not going to

be educated by you

voluntarily right that the fifty percent of the countries against you

but that's what the public school system is for

but most of them are boomers so

they're not in so of lose boomers

and but by the way that's assuling doesn't matter they're not going to be around anymore in a few years so why does w

yeah but their children are not about the future

yeah but

first of all even if you were successful in changing the school system

that the students they're not going to buy it right they're not going to buy this propaganda the second thing is that you could if you in order to succeed in passing policies

of

forcibly re educating their children

you have to win their support locally you can't there's no federal precedent for doing something like that

so

how are you going to do that me it's a self defining that's why executive orders exist

so there's going to be an executive order to turn the schools into left wing institutions

well we sd we already kind of do that right

no we we don't

and how are you going to enforce the executive order in case there's resistance yes yes the there's definitely ideologies you can' teach at school

there's a resistance to the executive order what are you going to do

what do you think should be doneen

resistance by whop you mean the right

by the people the trump people who don't want

what should happen

i heaven't

did you respond

i'm thinking

still thinking i ight i'm not

you know that's a complicated question right there's a lot of nuance to that

look you have a simple situation fifty percent of the country is not getting on board with the left wing so called left wing government

so how are you going to fix that problem

well what makes you think that they would be

be so

like that they'd actually be like a threat why can't you just force policy through

well how are you enforce it

policies how do you enforce the policies when people are you think they're you think they're going to just going to go full anarchy that the would go i think they're just going to resist them just like they're resisting the you know the lockdowns and that's because that's because biden doesn't do anything to

force

well what should we do to when that's a good question what should we do to force it

he should do what he did with the companies of making forced

vaccine mandates right

and then but that's dealing with people how are you going to force people to accept this

you don't

you mean you don't need to they would if

if you actually put the legislation in and wrote it into law they would follow it

no they wouldn't mark

most americans aren't as rebellious as you think they are they're not going to

the trump supporters are not going to follow these laws

you have no source to even make that statement

so let's say they don't follow in what then

they don't follow them yet what they're wll

well i am sure you could use it

police to make an example of some of them in

mhm

okay hold on so you're going to use violence

oh like but not not not large scale but like small scale like me

oh sure government the government's going to use violence to enforce this against fifty percent of people

well not be it's not fifty percent you just do it to a small

just a small population of them who are resisting put it in the news they'll get scared th theugh

fox news will

scream to them about how how much seriouss there ares long ok sday

i mean that's usually how things work right yeah so

what do you think about the military foreign interventions are you for

yes

we're human rights

i guess it depends what you consider humor are you a

in favor of lake

ray feon in the military industrial complex what do you think

no

but okay no

no

so you want to cut back military funding

i think it depends what the country is though

like i like

obviously for germany

like there was an exception

and yeah but do you think do you think military funding should be cut or increased or just maintained which one

well the the problem is that if we cut the funding

is that we're basically

giving up like

yaes so you're not you're you don't want to cut funding

but you have to listen it's because the alternative is that we lose our g political but sure sre fascist

ya ya so you you so

so let me get this straight you

you wantedan anti fascist fascist dictatorship supported by the military industrial fascist dictatorship

well i mean because fascism historically was when the democracies

noin it's to maintain order it's not to invade countries you're what i'm saying

yeah well i mean fascism is what happened in he'ce keeping it yeah it's when the state had to maintain order

with the police and military industrial complex

to repress the people they didn't like

right

that

that is such a mischaracterization of what i'm saying

what you mean thing

i'm not saying to like

you like trying to like imply like

some kind of like

but you want wars don't you're like implying colonialism or some you you want wars

you think america should get involved in a war

and the youear future

for example about taiwan

should america vot to war for taiwan

that's a tough question you know because

there's there's millions of people but i mean going intervening there could lead to even worse outcomes

was hitler justified in invading poland and czechoslovakia

course not

why not

the thing is is i'm not sure if china what what ok then what right does america have to go and invade the

countries halfway across the world

if hiller didn't have that right to do that right next to germany which i agree with he did

why should america be allowed to go randomly invade countries as a seas f beause i think america has much more of an ethical moral system than germany did

and there would be a lot less

yeah but but but but hold on hitler thought he was more moral and ethical right

mmhmm

i guess

so

you can't really appeal to that because you're dealing with that is that more relative

more relativism is kind of crane also so you're right and everyone else is wrong right

pretty much

it's not me it's more of the west in general and the west we you know let's talk about that the west is correct and the east is wrong right

i would say that the west has more of a

like a refined

refined philosophical system for ethics so probably

l that's not to say it's inherent to them but it's more

that they just do not have

i want to read you the final words

of um

a liberal cold war politician

hold on

h hold on

one

give me a second

was sack

i want to just hear your thoughts on them

give me a moment

looking for it

yeah

there you go

all right so this is what they basically said they said do you have a link

heh i'll give it you in a second

um

for that

um

i herewith repeat my policy

england will not only be in a position to stop

the tyrannical communists

but its development will unavoidably evolve more and more

were the symptoms of this destruction

the democracies

are currently fighting to rid themselves of the forces they summoned from the steppes of asia

talking about this like threat of eastern communism right

and it says that

we shall overcome this calamity and tyranny

and this fight too will not be won by central asia

good bye your hope

and its head will be the most democratic and free liberal country

america what do you think what do you agree with that

well what was the purpose of this war because it was the cold war it was basically fighting like the tyranny of

communism and cold war

you ise him

stalinism

can you send me the quote first

what'es it tell me do you know you a really like me i don't feel like tting gotcha if i say you know do you agree or disagree just be honest

be open and i want to see the quote

no just be open and honest i'm not i am not getting gotcha by this you're not getting gotcha ok is this is this like dirty debate tactics no i ok on the surface can you just be honest about what you feel about that

as you said the west is best right in the west is defending democracy so you agree with that right

i mean in theory

b

ok so the speech that was actually a speech the last speech given by hitler

ok so you're just trong yeah and i added some other words to it too but

the part about asiatic vervism each the part about asiatic bolshevism and defending europe was one hundred percent real like the liberal democracy part i spinned a little bit but

yeah more or less aggravating

elie edited the quote

yeah but in substance you're literally you literally just agreed with the quote by hitler that i just gave you hitler's last speech you just agreed

so because i think western values are

better than most of the world that that's hitler i think that is like ya quintessentially

bascistic

this idea that the west is superior to the rest of the world

is more or less

i said in ethical constraints ok in anya if you're saying the west is superior to the rest of the world that's like white supremacy that's not so no it's not because it has nothing to do with that why

because it's about the philosophical tradition

that took

thousands of years yeah but that's what the nazis were saying they were saying we're defending the philosophy of the west against the asiatic bolsheviks who are easterners from the stepps

and you know

that's what they were saying

you know about what do you think about demo democratic ukraine what do you think about it

i certainly don't support

russia over them because they're sure but don't you know that there's that i'm not going to call russia fascist that yeah but there are a lot of youre nazis in ukraine who do see the struggle against russia as

defending western values against the evil russian asian menace

well i i think that you're probably

not honestly

characterizing them because i'm sure there's other's the as

what do you mean they're doing hitler salutes in the their neo nazis

but the's so that's like saying if america if russia attacked america and then the old right

was against russia doing that then

like everyone's basically all the right in this scenario

it's yet another you'ar to done but but

you called us fascists but

you're literally supporting neo nazis in ukraine

no dude you are

you are such a dishonest debater and you like col vouch in these

you call these people dihonest debateb like well you know one who is really broad ok like so rush sweeps

so would you say the west is best

you think the west is the best

weston

is best in what

no in general like you agree with the saying the west is best

at what

the' just the slogan the west is best

would you agree with that

i'm not answering that

why not

a stupid question

why because you just said the west you're just trying to get gosh as you

you like this is so pathetic man like really

like you this whole debate is just

is just gotcha t but you said the west better there in south

your in elf fascist audience you're just trying to make look how are they that's right that's entire

point of you these

how is my audience fascist when you're the one who supports hitler quotes

this is such a fars i'm done good bye

and yeah as i said before how are we inscels can you explain how we're inscels too

he left

but hell is it

the

n yet

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anyone else wanted debate

before we do something else

someone named cam

a km wants to debate

what do you want cam

make it quick what do you want

hello

co anywhere

yeah i can hear you

um i was curious

someth

debss

and

he's kind ofgh

things are really commodities

i've been kind of confused why you say they are not communities i think they would fit

i think they would correspond to what mark described as communities as well even though they are like more new forms and i understand that theconom be exactly the same but

they're not commodities

mm what why do you think that

um because commodities have to be tangible things they can't just be like uh services

when you say tangible you mean like say need to have like some

someone like explicit boundaries like water but or that's what you mean

yeh

why do you think that i don't think it's implied in any way

in mass work

well the the issue with the

services is that

they can't be generalized in the form of general production

right

well why do you set up

because how do you measure a service except through the like the individual subjective experience of a person

uh how you measure it like you mean measure its value

you measure the commodity k what the service is as performed

is just wasubject just a highly subjective experience one person

imparts upon another

mean from a supective perspective every commodity is experienced just as youun knowal

yes a

so right it's not only that

i know but the reason why labor comes to manifest it significance

is because of the production involved in that commodity right there so there's a separation between the production of the commodity and the commodity

whereas in the case of the cervice there is no such separation

um just because the two happen

simultaneously that's what you mean

pretty much young

but i don't think this happens simultaneously you know if i go to get an aircut

i will pay by the end of the accord which is not the same time as

the moment where the record was produced used the yes but the labor in question

it's the same thing as the commodity

um

i mean

uh yes yes i mean the label directly produces the used value and is being consumed in real time but why would it be a problem

because it's not a commodity it's a service

the service you can do communitating

how how do you externalize the boundaries of the service beginning and ending as becuse a commodity has to be defined

commodity gonmenteeds an end somewhere

yes yes i mean the commodity the consumption of the community if i'm getting an efqort okay i'm consuming the commodity

doing like the ecot of course like the the end product

an itterm of use value is the final ascord i have

but the change itself happens once

right

and so you might say but that's one of the one of the one of the qualities of a commodity is circulation

you can't circulate a service commodity

yes yes

you can i don't see the issue you can see you can't circulate once it's produced it's done

it ceases to exist upon a production

it it's same for anappole like i i buy anappole i eat it its juss to circulate

it yeah but when you grow the apple

where you manyf we produce the with

genetically modify whatever

it goes and circulates around and then it reaches you somehow right

it's not like a it's not the same it's not a service that's why an apple's not a service it's an actual commundity

its swch commodities commodities can end somewhere i agree with that but

before they are consumed

right they have to circulate

some of course it's same for the aarcet you know you need you need to

um circulates the

the what what's you calling english

so champoo caesar or this you know capital investment yeah yeah but though those you can starll thisss ssor is a commodity the product the products being involved may be commodities

since we're dealing in that

but

the haircut itself as an act of like the producing of the commodity in the form of

giving someone a haircut cannot be circulated

war exchanged beyond

like

it completely disappears amon immediately being exchanged

it disappears upon consumption as yeah in you comm yes no it's not only that it disappears upon consumption it disappears upon production as soon as it's produced it ceases to exist

not just as soon as it's produced so production consumption

an exchange all happened simultaneously when this is not able to

but it's not able to be externalized as a commodity an independent commodity

no it is because

because the momentu of exchange happens so that's when it's externalised a the commodity

independently of the fact that lexas a consumption doesn't happen a samp but it's never externalized as a commodity

t what i'm trying to say with this write a commodity

is a process of externalization of labor

this doesn't happen

a six dowm

the fact that it has to go through the exchange process it has to exchange against another community money

so

just paying for it doesn't mean you're externalizing it

i think it's enough

yes

no why is it enough

i think

a commodity so

in capitol there is you know the whole process of developing the concept of the committee

first

very abstractly a community is you know very abstractly to abstract even

even

it's just

a use value in exchange value

but

you know it then it goes into this whole process of you know

turning into allse forms and so on know that's not how marx your ses in defining the commodity marx and define the commodity by premising it by like

two check boxes that have to just be checked and that is it

that's just not marks meo as i said it's not the whole definition of the committee because it's just the abstract concept the communtey which has to be made concrete

over time

so

you know adding the determinations of what actually you know

make it possible

so i agree with you that

the just exchange value and use value is not enough

but

i'm seeing

the ecort for example fits

not only is the abstrat definition but even if you ad other deffinitions

this effort thing goes through all of them the whole

process of uh captain formation and everything

all of it

can be

can't be considered even in the case of eccert or is it's it's re it's really it's really doesn't no it doesn't because

for example

services have existed since the beginning of money

before capitalism

mmhmm

at no point can i hair cut

established itself as a form of generalized commodity production

i think it din when so the first sentence of the second paragraph of capital boy one

a commodity is in the first place an object outside of us a thing that by its property satisfies human wants

of some sort or another so it's a thing it's an object outside of us is our marks the gens and theu is outside of me likeose because the committee of the act

is like the process of actually realizing the accord right

it's a it's a physical process of transforming the shape of my hair

so this is something outside me it's not it's not part of the

my mind ons know that it's not a

it's not something yeah but it but you could you this is kind of like a cartesian dualism like not even our body is part of our mind right

it has to be externalized as a thing separate from us and not because et when i'm being angy i'm lking reing an efcort i'm being a process of transforming the ship on my hair

which is different that'ss the community and paying forl

i'm paying for the specific action you know specific like yeah you' know paying for a service

y

and that's a community

but it's not a commodity because it's not an external object

it is you canuse ok once the object is produced can you sell it to someone

you send it to me

you proceed for me can you sell it us now that it's sold to you can you sell it because that's the key part of capitalism is that no that's not commodities are no longer existing strictly for purposes of use value

but for generalized exchange value and therefore for the production of surplus value

or the accumulation of profits right

so for for a haircut to be like a uh form of capital a commodity that

can be involved in the process of capital

m

you have to be able to sell it as a commodity

you can't just consume it you have to also be able to sell it

and the her salon sells it to me

what

the hair salon sales

the committee to me

so can you then sell it to someone else

oh that's not implied by committee pution committee pusion doesn't imply you can sell

but gues it does it implies that upon the production of the commodity it can be sold

no no

once it's consumed cannot be sent sold again like yeah i know but that means that between the time in which it's produced

and it's consumed there's space for circulation

no it's not implied

i am consuming

okay

wll will i will explain more simply i will give the a good example i

so

let's say i pay upfront

for maybe to make it easier to understand i pt ft for my ect ok i patles the

at that point

then yes technically i could sell

i could sell this aircut that i didn't receive yet i could

sak my friend and say ohlia i budg it for you just consume it for me

and then they consummit when they get the hacket

but the commodity has not yet been produced

of course because it's being consumed

when but it has not been produced so you're not selling the commodity were it's more like you're selling like a contract to produce

some service or to engage in some kind of service

but you're not actually selling a commodity

ok so you you argument

if i i may try to summarize it your argument is that if

consumption happens at the same time as production

then it cannot be a community is that your argument

more or less yeah if there's si not only that but

if they are simultaneously the same thing then they cannot be a commodity

just because it happen the same time doesn't mean the same thing

production and it's of course the're the same of course they're the same thing the production and the consumption is the same thing

two sides no it's not it's exactly the same thing by

a hem cutting your hair he is at the same time and it's the same thing

he's cutting your hair certain en gaging in the service and you're consuming the service it's the sappening you know it's not only happening at the same time it is the same thing happening

you i don't know it's not be honest so you you're saying that

two things because happen sometimes have to be the same thing is that you're saying

well their content is the same

it's not just they're happening at the same time they have the same content

ok so these are different forms youll agree right

not it is the same content

okay giving and receiving all not the same thing butirds say say all two aspects of the same

holle right

you know it's two ways of looking at the same thing as our puts o i agree is that in that case you can you phrase it that way i'm fine with it

i

so

so you but i still don't see why it would be an issue actually um i mean you insist that it is an issue i think you're only picking

it's an issue because one of the features of commodities is the their ability to externalize our labor into an object

than an object that can be circulated somehow

if the process of its production is at the same time simultaneous with its consumption

it has not externalized itself into the form of a commodity that can be exchanged

i disagree that it is a meaning of circulation but maybe we can try another example and see if we can agree on this one or not

so

for example the service of transporting communities

from one place to another right because some materials needs to be transported

in some places you know the the roamati need to be tansported to a factory and so on

ah this itself

oh

counts

in the value prodicction of the committee don't s agree

no i don't know about that

you don't agree you don't agree that transportation

if it's necessary of course like not

i'm not talking about superfusus transportation sy i'm just

ya sure luck

transportation is needed you know you need to transport

yeah who sees the oil from one place to another yeah rechurcees right

because there is socially necessary labour of time included in this

movement

it comes as part of

apprition of the committee don't you agree

when i say that i don't know

i literally like

i

have to think about it beore it' is not a difficult question

but ok i'm inclined to say yes

but

it's a difficult question but i'll just roll with the yes for now

ok but don't sure agree it's a form of

seentes no

isn't to say i mean i'm not sure by definition know he is no it's not

conlution is a service ok no transportation is not a service

okay okay faireno fair ofug

well

oh

okay well i guess in regard to

whether a haircut is a committee or not i guess we'll have to

yess we have to stop i guess i mean i i don't know what to how to convince you anymore

but that

i have not beenvery convinced by your argument yet

the prodiction and

a consumption has to be separate

but

i see why

you know that could be an argument and probably need to read more about it so

ok thanks for the atment on that

was he bulling isute

one

n

um

is it fine to if i ask also questions or

it has to be a debate it's not a debate the

ya uh what do you think in that case uh

about so

in europe

zeries like overseas e u and everything i'm from france

and um

there is discussion among some countries about forming a european army

um that would be you know separate from nato just to an actual pan european army

and uh

series like different people some people think it might be a good

among among communists there are some communists who think it might be a good way

to get some independence from nato and so on and sol some of the ones who think that

the whole e u thing and european like kind of idea is just a way to dissolve

nation states sovereignty and so it

going to go anywhere and

um myself i'm not so sure about it i see i try to see both sides

but it's not clear to me what

do you have any like

idea about these things or not

yeah i have an idea

m

to me

the eu's problems stem from the colonization of a

southern europe

but as far as the merger of france and germany is concerned into a union that to me is a historical inevitability

we

there's deep historical reasons for this as well but

this kind of merger i think is a

unavoidable

the problem is there's so

i think in the main oftentimes silence is a third position right

and as far as a european army is concerned

um

i think this is one of the things where

ommunus

may not have to be vocal about it at all just

to have no position but to have the position of

we sure exiting nato leaving nato

as far as the details of a european army is concerned

i think to me that's something that can be dealt with later right the most important thing is leaving nato

mm

i agree with you a but i would push you against um your view that uh germany and france are meant to be united because

in regard to the e u the way it works actually france and germany tend to be

in opposition actually there yeah it is fundamental contradiction which has been transplanted to the other countries outside of the eu but

at the same time that it's a contradiction

a this is why they are fundamentally united because france is a consumption economy right

and it is the hinterlandce for the german exports

so it's kind of like the first

backyard of germany that it colonized right

but at the same time that france is a kind of a

economic colony of germany in a sense is how it started out

and by thisose relationship is the foundation of the euro the currency the euro

um

france has also provided to germany

the question of the political leadership of theu like

how will the e u be governed politically right because france's historical origin is that of

the republic the french republic

kind of politics and so on and so on

so it's kind of like the historical

the relationship between the republican france and the germany at the time germany was agrarian

farmers agriculture and then

france was the political hegimon so to me

the question of the governance

the form of the state

so to speak between germany and france has not yet been settled

to me france will lead politically with the yellow vez swan

to inspire germany but

germany still

has a kind of economic and infrastructural and industrial

um significance

so

that so in do in a sense like in the terms of the relations of production the mode of production

franch and germany have been united economically right

terms of the political superstructure that corresponds to this i think communists should seize agemony over it

over this

and struggle to to articulate the superstructure that can correspond to this

um yeah i mean i'm not sure it's so once idd like for example you said that uh germany was like the industrial base and france was more like uh the consumer but

i wouldill not

say i would not say that it's true to some extent it's true that germany is morenustrial

but france you know the friend of thiss own industry that germany is lacking

for example france is bluter in terms of energy production we you know we have nuclear energy and so on

ya france has a tour military

uh france is very very strongly tharily speaking germany

resues you know i think what that has in common though is that

nuclear energy and the military are

tied to the kind of state

scientific technocratic bureaucracy right so these are kind of what political in a way

yeah

um

so

to me um

yeah that just has been my limited perspective on the matter

um

as far as the e u is concerned i don't think it's sustainable

whatsoever agree agree

um

but the question of the political the form of the political unity between france and germany is a very important question i don't agree with di m twenty five or verafachus

but it does stand to question of what form of governance

who can something like the e u have i mean it's clearly not the democratic right

yes yes ya it's uh it it's not some people would even't say that it's you know where is the most nancy democratic because

in some way to absorbs the sovereignty of the member states

precise to a more ss your quite se doon sense e coal like a real goingick scing where

so is this european you know

this i mean this is this european government

but it's not really

i couldtic from agreement anything is the the question of sovereignty is vvery ie not some ex some mak some expers who just

gives opinion on what's best to do economically

in both countries i think the question of sovereignty is very important

regardless of whether itill be inevitable that the france and germany

find unity

german and french communists to me must place the sovereignty of their countries

at the forefront right so this means going against the e u and this means a

rejecting this kind of eu governance

and then maybe down the line there can be some kind of merger right because of this economic foundation but

i think this politics of sovereignty is very important in both countries yes yes i think this kind of thing is like be likely to happen from

france or from italy or poland poland these days had some discussion about that but german is't germany itself

uh is

is uh very subsavient to the u s actually germany wants to be part of nato and wants uh

the u s army to take care of us not the european army

i think it's just my opinion but i think germany is afraid of french sovereignty actually

yesy

yeah

well i think that that's js and the reason the reason is because uh

germany has no

it has no precedent of governing continental europe

or at least western continental europe right

france has always been the political

m leader of

western or at least has been vying for leadership of

continental europe

western continental europe

so it's between france and america as far as western europe's future is concerned

mmhm

hright

so germany is afraid of france only in so far as it is aligned with the united states

yes yes yes um that's a that's a big conflict uh germany is like basically constantly

working for the interest of the uus inside of the end

but

what do you think about other regions of the world that all like maybe trying or i don't know i it's can be successful at all but like latin america and so on like theyy wish they had some

more unification but yeah from he gean perspective we are not in the latin american era yet

light in america is a very

paradoxical

place in terms of laate

how to understand geopolitically

um

but the to me what we've discussed is that in south america

peru is probably the most important

place

because peru fer the latin america because peru is the heartland of a

the inca civilization which was actually inherited by the

the state the succeeding states

um

so peru i think has an importance peru chile and the

surrounding states there are very important pieces of the puzzle

where this fits in with central america and mexico is and brazil is a is a mystery to me

especially in brazil i have no idea

and

do youink do you think a coul could happen

in brazil the i hepe many people

said that

such a thing could happen like bsonarw could try to keep oi because

he has so many legal issues

brunty and

he's going to lose in the next election so

i don't know i haven't been keeping up with brazilian politics i'm just not very

educated

on

um

more of a random guess and you don't need to have a cleance on that but do you think

sijing ping

we'll step down at the next what's the name you know next year so you see

a re election as a general secretary of um

the bossy right

i mean it's like a random guest is it it's fine ah

i'm not asking you do when when is it when is it going to be

uh i think it's next year uh

what's most

well met it i think china is in a very decisive time so a shift in leadership

i think would be considered very dangerous for the leaders of china

um

because of the issue of taiwan and this growing conflict with the united states and it's important to have a leader in this time right it's going to

yeah

lead them through their soul

i don't think so and i also hope not

myself

yp

yeah i guess we would see yeah i'm not i mean he didn't give any hint that he would step down so i would guess that he's going to stay but at same time

there is not that much transparency in regard to

the top of a decision making so it's gokining of haw to predict something

yeah

okay well uh i don't have so many things to

fight with you a boat anymore so

oka all right see you later in

t

all right

then let meey

all right is there anyone else

before we move on

we're going to move on to georgie batti

but it's going to be justin justin murphy's introduction to him

mm

n

mage we have slimple agendu verst

he wants a debate

oh my god

theta wants to debate

them

hello

yeah

was

in between

verm call

mexico and canada

it's difficult to tell but in economic agreement

from

regarding the flow of populations and movement of people

and trade agreements i think are inevitable

mm

but uh

but

do you think that such economic conditions interdependence and actual conditions do you think that

weill actually form some kind of

a political action by

the three countries

it's difficult to tell

um

i see a foreseeable future of the breakdown of political

american politics right

yeah

what i would be more interested in exploring is for example

if mexico has interests in like the

the american southwest

well ya uh actually im lo uh

bought a couple of refineries at the southern border of texas recently a couple of months ago and yeah i'm talking about

yeah

beuse to me

i don't know about the long term longevity of the united states as a state

but mexico is a real state mexico's a real state with a real base and a real history whatever

so

to me mexico is a real like

country basically right

it has long term

presence

united states has a much more ambiguous future we just don't know what's going to happen

mm

yeah i mean my problem with uh

thats source an idea as well is that

you're facing up

on this scenario

and

collapse

are no friends

i think that for example in mexico we're facing

a love of environmental issues like

ah

mexico city so

you know that infrastructurally

a

mexico it basically surrounds mexico city you know all of its political and

economic infrastructure god in

it is designed to center itself around mexico city

but i think politically speaking it's not facing the problems of america

yah in terms of like the fundamental question of its future as a country like

will mexico still

exist as a country as i think

not a big

question

oh yeah i think i understand what you're saying yeah there's

like a concrete political vision mexicans have that

americans don't necessarily have mhm

ya uh well

ya even though i agree with that uh i think that it's still the case for example you mentioned uh

migration right there

inter interstate migrations in mexico city what you have is an environmental issue

oh

in the case of

tu

so you know that mexico city is literally built over a lake

right

yeah yeh

yea and and people uh

take water from the lake but because watergain can get in the city is literally sinking right

mmhmm

and it's placeed above a very high altitude so you have to driningk water from the basins surrounding the city

an assorban expansion creeps into those basins as higher temperatures rise

m

rain becomes more scarce

h people will h less h

not more

most people wouldill have less access to water as they did

yeah and so a lot of people in in mexico city will have no other choice but to

migret of north

yeah

yeah and well that's only for mexico city right you have

h

saying ow dry drought isssues in the yucatam peninsula

ah

in the northern states yeah i mean i can i can really see this echo ecological

crisis but was there anything you wanted to debate about or

oh wh ya uh

e

what's something to debate about

um

i remember that in one of your

the weights are over

couple of uh

time ago uh

you were discussing some legal issues and you came to mention

that a is not ai what do you mean by that

is the law of identity right that

the philosophical law of identity that a is a right to me yeah es saying a is not a basically means that

form and content are not the seene

former content are are not the same

yea

okay but what for example what does it mean for you know an idea not to be

an idea

it means that the content of the idea is not contained within the form of the idea

that for example the meaning of an idea is for example

its consequences its actual realisation is different than the form

mm

oh ya it i mean it it troubles me for because you know

the basic nature of like of contradiction is so

he such that

for one sde too

affirm a proposition is necessarily to deny the other right

yeah

so so that you know to affirm both actually

is to thenight

the the two of them

actually

precisely

how is that possible how do we arrive you know

that is

concretely you know

what do you mean

yeah i mean because we if we deny that uh

an idea is an idea

if we accept the contradiction that you're proposing

what does it mean for us to say that

an idea is both an idea and not an idea

like

it is both what it is and it is what it is not

you know

yeah

but i didnt have

im i'm failing to rest this you know

how do we

what does it what th do we arrive when we deny both right that

idea is idea and idea is not an idea

ry sorry it's hart to follo what do you say

oh uh

you know what does this nagation imply

because again you know

to say that

it what it implies that the avoidance of dogmatism right it implies the view that

um

that if something's form for example the form of the law and its real material premises are not one in the same

the law cannot account for its own real premises it tries to establish itself as the beginning and the end

and therefore tries to establish its own premises

but

nonetheless its real premises impart their significance in a different way so

oh

it means of so reference you mean

yeat and also means it's subject to change every form is subject to change on the basis of its own basis and foundation

mm

i get to

this is this is isn' kind of the bulgor

my interpretation of healic healtiti is right

elaborate the plight

the vulgar interpretation of heracit is right that everything is changed

because you know it

it's

like co so refuting on its own terms like the ontological classical interpretation

paraclite

that everything is changed

yeah yeah everying is in flux you mean like

yeah exactly yeah but

i geter you hold to that position but not in the vulgar methephysical sense

because you know metaphysical discourse is necessarily so referential

oh

i don't know

i don't know what you mean i metaphysical i definitely do think for example this dialectic change is something that happens like

in nature itself right

n

metaphysics for examples how high they were defines it

oh okay i see what you mean

yeah

yeah yeah yeahy on to on to theliology yeah yeah i get what you're saying yeah

ya uh but okay so

for from where i standing you know

uh again you know

give eggs and why

contradict each other

then necessarily x is not y

and why is not x

to affirm both x and y is the same as affirming

not y and not x

precisely which is to deny both x and y only in reverse order

what do you mean

yea i mean i mean

if you affirm both x and y

yeah

are respectively you know defined that's not why and

not x

you know you you are affirming not y and not x

which is that in fact to deny x and y

ah but

yes but you're denying

it's not x and not y is not necessarily the same thing as like a

it's a it's a determinate negation that makes sense like you know what i mean by that

determined like not x is still x

because it's not x it's just x and it's opposite

but it's x is opposite it's

it does you don't arrive at another determinant

forn agh contradicts x it's still

the only determinanate form is x

and even in its negation you're still within x

that make sense

yeah sog and like like the idea is like a negation is defined

by its

starting point

maamp

ya um

so for you like x and not x botre

things that actually exist the terminally

no i wors to say that not x is for example not y even though y is not x it's still

it sounds ktricty but

not x is not y

not x is not y

yeah

even though y is not x

ya uh

but but i still think that you know we are still operating within the frame of

a self reference ight

like even in normal languages when

when we

exclude something what would you know like the vulgar phrase

it is what it is right

yeah

it could be no other thing than what it is otherwise you wouldn't stablish it in the first place

yeah

yeah

so you

we get to a determination beyond that in

how

most people actually think you know

i don't know what you mean it's really hard to follow like where you're coming from or what

we not i just

i just mean right ay

i still fal fail to see you know

even if

it is possible to arrive at the position that

it does not necessarily have to presuppos t

the love for the mty fe

contradiction

all the stuff

a so quite logical

logic the realm of logic

the law of identity obviously is a presupposition

otherwiseand an absurdity right

but exactly the law of identity the issue is when the law of identity is superimposed beyond the realm

of logic

and the contention

is that

a logic and philosophy as a whole does not satisfy the whole of being and reality

within philosophy

yes the to contradict the law of identity or to deny the law of identity is an absurdity

same within the realm of logic

but the problem is that there's a challenge to those philosophy and logic as the privileged site of both

sinking and the sinking of be

r right b

yeah that's exactly what i was trying to ask you you are saying that

logic in itself cannot account for

for being

in itself

innocentia

yeah h b

know what are those aspects that

logic cannot account for

because

i g that's why it plays example of like self reference in everyday languages bece well think about the object of psychoanalysis logic cannot account for this

logic cannot account for our so unconscious

thank

logic also fails to account for material reality in the form of the

uh modern physics

es

here the classical logic breaks down

logic is privileged sight in relation to reality breaks down

yeah that's kind of a criticism of

of haygl

why

fa this

the russialism right that

yeah

ya well i guess

from a haedean perspective

it's still

consistent the issue is that

we have now opened up a new territory that you cannot

superimpose philosophy

upon

philosophy is not necessarily incorrect culminating in hagels waso it's not that it's incorrect

is is that it can't be superimposed beyond its reach philosophy is a ultimately about the law of identity

it's about the consistency of the idea with itself that's really

the whole aim and purport of philosophy

which is not necessarily wrong it's just the question of what is the idea is not accounted for

by philosophy

mm

yeah i mean uh you know brief uh

so for example high dever

you mention him

um

so do you know of neoplatanism

yeh

yeah so so for example are you familiar with damasseus

a damacie

can you smell it

and d a d a

m

a

see

i u s

no

the marsias d a m a c i u s

yes

oh that would

s c i uus

yeah yea

no i'm not familiar with them though but i' have heard of him

yeah i

because i also

tackle with a similar

question two wiriors and like

how does the idea account itself as an idea

of being

how does itc count

for itself as being

n

and addamass his tackos without

from the perspective of

new place is a right because

he actually arrives at a very similar conclusion to hideger

write that

being cannot be understood as

as causing other beings right because at that point you are just postulating it as a being itself

yeah

ys another bin with a lower bi

yeah but i don't think i am learned enough to h

you know

enter into this territory beyond you know the frame of self reference

yeah it's difficult for me because like when i'm streaming i'm not really in like a state of mind where i can sit down and really

thin can engage with this sojust

a difficult format you know

it's to put me on the spot you know it's like

mm

i'm not in a state of mind

basically

yeah i'm also in in the pressure of you know speaking to our audience

yeah

yeah but thanks anyway i'm goinga think about it thank you for having me here

all right okn'll see you later

see

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i want it to cleared

the air the attention span

you know let's chill a little bit before we move on to the next thing

we move on to the next thing you know it's the encore

it's the it's the the pallett cleaner cleaner exactly

so

as you guys know it's october

it's halloween

bookie time

i' want to introduce you

give you something i think about

one of the most spoky thinkers of all time

gorgient but iy

who is georgi batan

george a bod tie

was a a

french thinker

who was

fundamentally shaped by the events of world war one

um

he was influenced by thinkers like heideger and alexander koljev

and nietzsche

and like

all three of those thinkers may be saved koz of that's a little more difficult issue

he was interested in the question of the scandal

right initiated by the first world war

or revealed by the first world war

is the fact that western rationalism

western rational subject

cannot account for its own ground

and cannot account for its own premises

but

it's not just that

if the western rational subject cannot account for its own ground and premises

why is it

that there's still something going on

in this realm of material premises

foundation

but tire arrives at the scandalous insight

that the highest strivings of human thought

and the human mind

somehow remain dialectically

reducible

or

a

coincidental

with the lowest and most abased

reality

but i

this is georgia bti he was actually pretty handsome you know

but ti's idea can his whole stick can be summed up

in

the expression

that god is a woor

right which is a dream he himself had and luck on took note of the significance of

and the reason why he says this is because

the idea of god right the metaphysical absolute

the most the highest most profound and

mysterious absolute divine being

is somehow

nothing more

then themst abaste

form of humanity

right which is

a so called god is a whore right

he's not necessarily saying this is like an edgy atheist thing where he's saying like

a

oh you know i hate god and god is evil or whatever

is

basic idea that he's trying to get at here

is that

we can go no farther in reality

then this

this prostitute or whatever

when we um

when we uh

think about god basically

hoaw i interpret it

this is the reality of the divine

the highest and the lowest coincide with each other right

and

battai is concerned with the question of the base

vulgar material

and palpitating

art

behind

the realm of appearances in reality

right

how vulgar and scandalous

core of reality

now isn't that

a little bit spooky

words

no coincidence that he's associated with horror

because this is also an experience of horror right

the true what is truly beyond the veil of reality

its base reality is something

hoor a fining

a but ie draws the distinction between the head

and the body

i

and the symbol of batti secret society the aca fail whatever

is about headlessnessness it's about a body

that is somehow living

somehow subsisting and

existing without a head

the meaning basically being

this accursed and a based material reality

that

per sist

even after

it's been removed of its head its rationalization and

um it's

way of being given meaning and form and so on and so on

it's kind of a vulgar nietzschean materialism

and kind of vulgar french materialism in a way right

m

the famoust expression of b tie that struck me with the most

importance

i want you to see this quote

because this is probably the most

important quotes by the time

this sums up his metaphysics his ontology

the best

this is the origin of acaphil

um

it either comes from bati or hegel

letm me find the fucon coqot

it's i

it's hard to find

no one just has this quote apparently

yeah

oh it's from hegel

this is where they get the word akafhil it's from hegel

ok

i knew it it's from hegel

nudents

it's a beautiful court

the quote is

here it is

from hagl supposedly

so it's about this kind of nitzean theme of the death of god so here it is

universal existence is unlimited and thus restless it does not close life in itself

but instead opens it and throws it back into the uneasiness of the infinite here's the quote

that struck me the most i think it's from hegel

but it is heavily associated with batie

universal existence eternally unfinished and acaphelic meaning headless

the void of a head right

a world like a bleeding wound

endlessly creating and destroying particular finite beings

it is in this sense that true universality

's the death of god

what does batti mean here he means

b

or universality

the truth of being

affirms itself

when every finite

horizon of being is transgressed

or somehow overcome

or contradicted or negated

it is in this moment that you find the universality

of all beings

true universality is the death of god

when the head is repressed the body

proceeds

this was a very important stage in the development of my own thinking

a

i don't agree with thei i completely reject him but

speaking of le

the need to pass through the american era and david lynch i think this is an important part

i read but i through like david lynch and stuff you know

partially at least

um

now the most important parts of bati's work

are concerning the question of the

since we're talking about transgression and this kind of stuff

it really gets into actually eclogy rights about waste and excess

and expenditure and surplus and energy right

and we're not going to be able to get into that today but maybe later if this is proves to be popular in people like this

but

that's my short intro of btti now

here's gonna be justin murphy he's gonna give an introduction we'll see if he does a good job

sv does a good job

let's see this is

justin murphy and nina power's introduction to biti

shacke it up

all right so we are now streaming on youtube but i will just give everyone a

a minute to trickle in from

the internet

and

take a minute to

get ready

i hope he doesn't fuck and show anything like bad

no images anything like that

nothing we can forseee so we're gone

o

what

this guy's like an edgelord pretty much

but

wll still

might give a good introduction

oh my god

i think we should go ahead and get started then

i want to start by giving everyone here a little bit of an introduction i feel like

i should provide

some context for

what's going on here

so

basically

first i want to thank everyone for coming out there's a ton of people registered for this meeting so i don't care

it looks like there's a lot of interest in batai

ah so that's really exciting to say and thanks for your interest

i want to

let' start with a bit ofan introduction because there's a bit of there's a bit of background context i think will make this all

a little b easier to understand or it'll help everyone kind of appreciate what we're trying to do here

so

a first of all as you can tell i am joined by my friend and colleague

ah nina power i hate how intellectuals do this they just waste time

another person who is now kind of

on the true outside of academia

uh need

nina who many of you will know is a british philosopher

who has written about and taught continental philosophy for many many years now

and today we're going to be talking about the french hlosopher george bttaie

and

nina' is here in part because nina in contantal philosophius is certainly my superior

i was trained primarily as a quantitative political scientist really and

i i mean i do have

some peer reviewed academic theory articles and all that but nina superiority in the continental philosophy

area is one of the reasons that i asked her to join me in this particular project

a although i do also want to remind everyone at the outset that mind

and just why are we even talking about the tie

and i would say that the keep it of context here

i want to let you all kind of understand or know about is i

i just recently finished

what was pretty much my first serious attempt at an online course

with the hider scholar johannes nedederhauser

he's a he's a recent ph d from work and

honestly it was just amazing it was really great it pretty much far exceeded our expect

immediately build another course

and nina and i have

both we both have a kind of abiding interest and b tie

and nina

recently quit her job as a professor only if if this is not a

i did nin and i have officially agreed that we are going to be opening up andan on like to questions that people want to ask

am i so i'm i'm incredibly excited

and this is pretty much just our first public set of developing this course because need an understanding or relationship to tie so this is going to be so we're really keen to hear all of your questions and comments yourselves but uh just to keep things focused

so the game plan for today is nina is going to talk for

when she's done talking that's also

and so that's the game plan

nina you got to go

i'd like to inbote you to speak now you have the mie

okay okay i'm gonna go p

i'm going to go peter we'll be back

very bad i'm going to go pete

w gre away i cannot buy you bred so i don't know what's on your mind

see

sh

sometimesside wder how a you doing now the things do't say fine andother lie

im okay why do know g word

thank you justin for that very

enthusiastic and organized

introduction

so i mean here we are in this you know strange

ah

future present in the middle of this pandemic

you know various states doing various things

t a very

and you ever mean a hard sense

but to categorize

and

as in terms of both his writing and his kind of approach

m

to existence int to thought

what was this recorded with

is this a problem of the recording

because this is the most

this is the most shitty fucking like

i'm sorry i'm trying to rotch it in it's like

um and the way in which he's kind of not really reducible to particular

uh schools

um although he has kind of

you know overlaps with certain

it's like you could tell this is shitty internet

but the way it's buffering and loading is

it's not live so i don't why i don't know why the quality's still so bad and it's not loading

uh cetain schools and certain modes of thinking

i

so yeah this quite a brief introduction i made some some notes

um

and they kind of touch on some of the things some of the kind of concepts or ideas that i'm interested in

but i but i want to say of course the there are so many things i'm not going to be able to cover that that are so interesting this is what fucking academics do they take fucking twenty minutes to narrativize what they're going to talk about

and they take forty minutes to talk about what they want to talk about and then they talk about it

a good of fuk thought i a

in particular

asphile and the secret society and that's how i pronounce it asophile o i know

you cded nature of his relation to secrecy and also to

the public in the form of journals

um i'm kind of public into bed

um also his uh

relation to the college of sociology and his relation to other great thinkers this time

m and also there's a lot that could be said about his relation thank you so much paper onen

to religion to catholicism to

in his early life

uh also to um

this realists

to psychoanalysis his influence on the can

and and there's there's there's so many

things and it's kind of worth maybe looking at

uh the biography of battai which uh

by michelle sarah

which is translated

um

thank

um not a particularly fine quality adition

in the paperbox

but there's an interesting take on on batai um

which maybe slightly reduces atiz biography to a kind of a meaningful life like trying to find inherance

in his his life which is a kind of open question for everyone in a way how much

you can make ofuh your own life and there kind of very specisitudes and dirt

and uh impossibilities that it might uh involve

and

but so ya so i'm just going to read my my notes written there you know in this moment of the of the pandemic

so i think this is an excellent time to turn ti so he bought he was go and died in france eight hundred ninety seven ninety sixy two

the global pandemic and the various states reactions to it rais a certain persistent the underlying question is reated to the pandemic keep in mind

it's for humanity

ones that are generally obscured by the modern hygienic utilitarian and homogeneous

twelve

a johanness niederhauser who justen mentioned earlier

puts it in a recent essay it's time to think which draws on how you go in niezscha

ot

the question of being which we are for getting

it's a reminder of who we have always been

but the will to will blinds our eyes and hearts for this deep mement innering

bringing into the inner of our hearts to be all

the wltter will wills us to be enslaved by debt

numb from experience and desk machines

the will to well wills is to kill t

thisj kind of reminds me of what i used to like to watch

resa's lectures accept resa

he actually

like immediately just started getting to the point and he like

he was such a good lecturer

because like

everything was coherent

he never just rambled on about nothing you know

five

rather than allowing for the wonders of boredom to disclose to us

here we are

so i think in this question of boredom

that your hand is uh jins is also a kind of key i i

what's up political bole i know you you mentioned it yesterday

do for a bad time and for hidegod

let me know if there's anyone who wants to debate me

yeah we will talk about profound boredom

and for those of us who have in a sense a luxury

to be bored

and maybe to remember the boredom of our of our childhoods there is something kind of very uh profound perhaps in this moment

um your highness will talk about uh a return to m a kind of

uh leisure

uh but in a kind of uh very deep

to the philosophical sense

sorry we say this playu forces a kind of confrontation with tm

i should have been having

fall along

with our thought and specifically with death and risk

which are in know key ideas but that's whyt need e

those aspects of existence covered over by a culture concerned to hide death

or repress it

and at the same time to kind of fetchize say

and a kind of mediated exists promote this mediated

existence

a life lived online for it's the life that we're living now

uh a live lit via pacifying vish okay i i think g u uper this but

so far this is a bad intro dude this is not a good intro you got to explain it to dumb people okay

like

this is a terrible intro because it's already becoming like

just

i know you already lost the audience with this you know

vitual images the kind of tyroran arth

oh netflix

a for example

a world in which we are not s

on pain of

this aspected

we do

it was like where does the heterogeneous

a reside

a today oh it's better now

to the heterogeneous batizis is identical to the structure of the unconscious

in this dense essay he tries to look at the way in which fascionism and fascist leaders and maussolinian hitler

immediately stand out and seem to tap into almost hypnotically

into this heterogeneous

wh is your most vital education

that i'm so cugt

othness

this kind of dark energy he calls it the force

that situates them aor seeks to above men

uh above parties and above laws so they become this kind of sovereign

exemption

um you know not not amount of the people exactly this is not a good introy you guys this is something if you're smart watch it on your own time

um

this is for not this is not for dumb people

ok

le me find that dumb deple video

i'm getting bored watching that video you know that's why

i hate the cock philosophy things dude i don't want to watch the cock philosophy

but what's fantastic about this out

elogy with rajaki boring

miss nning fasing it

i have cartried this bledched way

to that glorious ok this guy's going to explain it through a video game

so that might be fun right a video game

gyay gamers

this is kind of cool actually

this is ok we're going to do it like this

it at eleven

forty four going to be careful

sacrifice okay let's just watch it like this

this dawning epoch yea dumb people

this age of reason an empire ha grown fat

rank for the bleeding

blood and bloat filth and foul power the grotesque factory at the heart of amnesia a machine for pigs what steam there is should sooner emanate from a swine's rotting corpse than a coal furnace

the game presents a regime of production where waste is not merely spurned or reduced

it is the very driver of the great engine itself thank you morlocke

malodorous fumes pumped the pistons

and pigs are ferried down the line by the momentum of their death rowes

for the french intellectual george b ti the harnessing and taming of excess is the true aim of all political economy

in his nineteend forty nine work the accursed share

he develops a new theory oriented around consumption rather than production

to batie all ok you guys do you just fuck in youar that

do you know why he's such an important thinker now

he just seid a theory of consumption rather than production

you get where this is going

you get where this is going

why it was so important for me too

life is endowed with energy

one

ate there's nothing to youss but

is there a p p p on there no there's no pp

but

still

i just

energy beyond that's not

brisket art is allowed i know but

still not going to risk it

what is required for its simple function

this excess is usually allocated to growth and reproduction but he writes

if the excess cannot be completely absorbed in its growth

it must necessarily be lost without profit

it must be spent

willingly or not

gloriously or catastrophic ly

this wayward expenditure emblematic of everything from excrement to human sacrifice constitutes that cursed portion of human activity

the accursed share

in this video i'd like to enlist b ti to illuminate the murky depth

of amnesia a machine for pigs

a game about the horror of consumption

it features sacrificial rights cannibalism industrialization and the limits of the human mind among its many themes

all of which happened to be among batti's greatest fascinations

join us as we explore the bowels of this horrid machine

you know me who you know my children you play as oswald mandus a wealthy meat packing industrialist recently awoken from a fevered sleep to find that his children are missing it's new year's eve ninety nine on the precipice of the new century

you descend ever deeper into the machine you don't remember constructing gradually it is revealed that mandus encountered a terrible power in an aztec ruin a power that showed him the bloody future of the twentieth century and impelled him to avert it so he constructed the machine to uplift humanity by debasing it to direct the impulse of the accursed share to his own

ends a machine for pigs dualism and reflections abound in the game's imagery the mansion you traverse in the opening is full of trick walls and one way mirrors already we are attuned to the duplicity of the game environment as b ti writes each thing seen is the parity of another or is the same thing in a deceptive form each thing seen is the parity of another or is the same thing in a deceptive form

the loading screens feature the schematics of the area you're about to enter but the clean forms beligen

the fetid horrors you encounter in each this is the duality of the modern impulse to rationalize the world i am constructing an architecture to wrestle o damnation to the ground and smother it with steam blueprints can never capture the leaks and slippages that materialize wherever humans are involved and don't look to them for navigational aid either your path through the levels is not a linear and

one valves open staircases rescind secret passages extend the bulk of what you actually do in the game is repair work until mandus regains his memory and sets about undoing all that he has built as a result you make your way through the world as a surgeon or perhaps a coroner even the game makes clear this metaphor of factory as body in one note

how his pipe designs take after intestines and tape worms and the game's achievements label portions of the world the teeth the throat or the gut when we're hiding from the hideous man pigs we can no longer rely on our senses darkness all around and the ceaseless infernal grind of machinery can't see can't hear we are foreigners in an unwelcome body so right now they're just succeeds just explaining

the story ok

and soon he's going to get into bati

rejects us at every turn

i have carried this world on my back with its legs about me

dmn this wretched soul i am given birth to nothing but machinery

the game's plot too hinges on these splits and bifurcations agu electron

who's wilder

what happened

wilder

yson fury versus wilder oh shit

i don't care

look

tommy fury acept jake paul's new fight

for the fuck is tommy fury i feel like jake pall only fights people who can lose

mandics's sons are twins

their mother died giving birth to them

their violent birth mirrors that of mandas's machine in which a piece of his soul is literally and figuratively embedded

one note reads i looked at them

covered in the blood of their dead mother

little piglets squalling in their swaddling and my heart was at once filled with a great love and a consuming hate i could never have imagined

at that point

did my soul split creating him

was this the egg of my soul the moment the great clock began to tick

the love of a child and the hatred of the world they are borne into

elsewhere mandus speaks of laying an egg which hatches into the sprawling machine we traverse in the game

his split soul animates the character of the engineer who is really the

you want know how i feel guys

if i'm going to spend my own time

going this in depth with lore

let's just read a book

books are better than this shit i'm i'm sick of bullshit guys

you know like

books are so much better than video games if you're going to dedicate time to yourself

i'm too old for fucking games to get good lure from because

honestly

u games so much of the games are spent reading so much of these games are just going around

and you're just reading text

and then if the game is going to explain its lord in terms of like voice actors i don't chaer

you're going to take two years to explain it to me i don't have time

guys just read books don't even fuck and play games just read books

if you want

fuck discool elyseium to discoleseum pisses me off because of that

you know

i'd rather just i don't care about games lore

you know the only games with lore i care about are like dark souls and bloodborne and shit

were it

you don't really spend that much time reading you just play the game and then the l is like

in the theme they have the best lore of any games

the voice of the machine and a projection of mandus's repressed memories and another n i've been wanting to play bloodborne onstream it's just i don't

my ps four is like shitty and i need a ps five or something and they're all sold out

the figure of the child is more ambiguous

and when they first said daddy my heart was molten

as if blood frozen upon the ground were held up to the sun to thaw and slop

and they were inseparable always together one soul in two bodies

and my love was all consuming

is this about his son's

or him and his engineer

here the form will give me a p s five

simplistic really

no way be honest will you actually give me a p s five

i just want to be able to like

by one

you know

no i'm not going to rachel get the fuck out of here i'm not going to fuck and buy your used

p s five

i can't believe i have viewers trying to sell me used goods

i need a brand new

never been touched sealed in the box ps five

arms of father child creation whre fuck do i get a fuck in p s five man it's been like five years

even lover what do you mean your pi s f shitty i mean it's like broken it's like blows up every time i play it

melt and blend and why didn't you try when it first came out dude because they were all sold out i thought by now

they would have been

in stock it's been like a year

process of bestowing new life

a birth is always a violent event in the sense that the creation of another is also the negation of ons self but tai calls sexual reproduction a luxurious detour in that it consumes the excess energy we can no longer put towards our own growth for him it is merely the accentuation of cell division although reproduction may appear to lead to the growth of the species on an individual level it

really is a wasteful process this is especially true for animals where the individuals engendered are clearly separate from those that engender them

damn

this truth is disturbing to mandus overcome by alienation from humanity he cannot separate his sons from his egg his idea of himself from what he has become physically the egg is the arcane artifact mandus recovered from mexico we discover it is the dark impulse which led him to sacrifice his own son gise man

we need to do more love crafty in content is there any good love craft games on steam

we need to do like more love crafty in content fok

god

damn it ma

uck and wasting that's why i want to take these edibles dude be cause

i'm sick of wasting away my days

is call of kathulu good

would you guys want to see me play that onstream

to london and you set me upon a mantelpiece and then you went into the house and gathered the sceons and we st you and i on recrafting them and then you went into the garden and was time shut go but let's step back for a moment

in order to understand excess luxury and sacrifice we ok give me one second you one s

' me give me one second

ok

im

move in

you must first grasp bati's notion of general economy which is a lot more insane than it sounds

in his own estimation

it is nothing less than a copernican transformation in how we

we think about life

and he means this literally ba tai thinks that to talk about energy we have to begin with the sun he writes solar radiation results in a superabundance of energy on the surface of the globe the sun gives without ever receiving

griulls and sons in the jack

knowing this we understand that all life on earth is the result of cosmic waste

everything we see around us exists in this play of energy which the sun freely bestows us with this conception is the core of one of batai's most provocative ideas

the solar anus in a highly i want him to show an anus

reverent way but tie is calling attention to the sun as an agent of excretion as well as a source of life knowing the sun is rotten to look directly at it is to be driven the closest we can get but tie argues is the sacrifice of the sun in effigy sunset in the window like a bleeding sky the horizon a slit throat the seeping dog to drain the guilt from

only when the sun bleeds can we glimpse it and when we can conceive of all energy from the first as a flow of excess we understand that consumption not production is the major organizing force of human society and economics

did you hear that

so if everything on earth contains an excess of solar energy one funcking idea is that we have this idea in our head

that

excess comes from our active production

but he's saying excess is a feature of reality itself

and human societies are about organizing

the consumption

the consumption is where we actually organize

not production

and i like it because it's a

it's a non volunteeristic view of production

it's a materialist view of production

even if

production is involved in the production of excess another another form of this excess by the way marks a surplus value

gkieve that in mind

you think of it in this kind of fatalistic way where it's just

something beyond your control you don't control production

per se

it's really beautiful

why then do we see starving children impoverished nations and the like well remember that be ties conception of excess extends even to seemingly fundamental aspects of life like growth and reproduction

individuals and groups may have to deal with want and lack

but man is not just the separate being that contends with the living world and with other men for his share of resources the general movement of exeditation of waste of living matter destines him in a privileged way

to that glorious operation

to useless consumption

in this way the accursed share is a fundamental fact of the human condition normally this excess leads to population booms and the further expansion of production life always aspires towards ever more growth but when growth comes up against boundaries geographic demographic etc the excess can no longer be expelled and it begins to boil in the explosive character of this

pressurized activity we apprehend conflagrations befitting the solar origin of its movement in other words we can't get away from the heat of the sun its energy is always latent in everything we do the curse of man is that ignorant of these principles we cannot direct our excess energy in a salvathic way these men

think about co two emissions

so called men of vision they would shackle the masses to a wheel and turn it till their backs break all for that opiate the lw of profit but what solution how to break a cycle you cannot simply remove the promise of a better world for these unfortunate we do not need the reason i'm critical of ecological leftists is they don't understand

that excess is a feature of being

they think excess is something that is a human sin

when

we did we didn't start the fire there's always been this excess that gives rise

to what we call profit

that

requires us to push beyond

what we are that requires us to want more

then what we have

because what we have is latent with in excess itself

and the question is what to do with it

to wait we can bring forth paradise now we can speed the passion with only a small sacrifice we can hold the apocalypse with just a s sacrifice we can free our shackles and deliver them to paradisew mandeson bati actually share this hope that a knowledge of general economy will lead man to develop for the first time a

true self consciousness

without this intervention our consumption demands extravagant wars and somethings in the drawing them and when civilizations in the past have tamed this pressure

it was often through ritual human sacrifice i am the jagular faced man i am the feathered serpent this priesthood is mine

mandaz and batai share an obsession with the aztec culture

for both

the fascination revolves around the centrlit the of human sacrifice it's not just that we're always desiring we're always producing an excess beyond the

what we intend to produce

i think is more the idea

to aztec religion and society

in aztec myth

the sun continually decays

the god nanawatzin sacrificed himself to bring light into the world

and now demands sacrifices of his own to sustain his existence

according to what aztecs told the spanish missionary and so called first anthropologist bernardino de sahagon

men and wars were created so that there would be people whose hearts and blood could be taken

so that the sun might eat

you guys see that

it's crazy shit

in this view

you see that

the aztecs believed

according to this guy that

bloodshed

needs to be taken so that the sun can consume so bati's idea

is that we're faced with this enigma of

the sun giving without needing anything is just this

the love of energy that doesn't even need anything to power itself

so they'll there it the

aztecs thought that human bloodshed is what

keeps the sun going

humanity is both the sun's waste product and its vital sustenance

fascinatingly the idea of a solar anus is present in many mesoamerican words for gold

the aztec word taioquitlat

literally means excrement of the gods

you guys fokn believe that

did you know that think about i want you guys to think about something for a sec

it's kind of sad that

i start to stream so late because this light the views get just as low as when i'm like gaming

which is kind of sad isn't it sad that

when i'm showing you this it's just as low as do me playing mincraft

but that's probably because it's too late you know i'm streaming at a very irregular time

but

he has ever asked the question of why gold

as why was gold

considered what it is

because gold was always associated

with the sun

gold was always associated with the sun

that's wh

that's why gold was valued historically it was associated with the sun

and the maya word taken is best rendered as sunshit

to

isn't that crazy

culturs from different language families independently arrived at the same conclusion as batai hundreds of years later

that everything of value is merely a solar accident

oh god help me i am lost in the dry paper soul of the world

but why sacrifice what does it do

in its original etymology sacrifice only meant to make whly but ti writes sacrifice re to the etymology of sacrifice meant to make whole

is that weird

sacrifice means you're getting rid of something

but the original etymology is to make whole

that's all right poli rle after i finish this i think we're going to be done

for tonight

because i got to take some edibles and go to sleep

stores to the sacred world etymology

the origin of a word

sacrifice restores to the sacred world

that which servevalue has degraded

rendered profane

you know i have a theory that all of battai's ideas were just in the context of the

the rise of american

global briton woods

it was a resistance to anglo saxon utilitarianism

so let me tell you but ti's idea so but to but i was part of a secret society called

the aciphile

and they are rumored to have literally sacrificed some one

they went next to a tree in the woods and it's rumored apparently they sacrificed someone

and the person volunteered to be sacrificed

and

one of the reasons

why batai has this fixation on the notion of sacrifice is that

in our utilitarian world where everything has a rational use or some kind of use

sacrificing something and just

eliminating it

purposelessly for no utilitarian reason you just get rid of it

somehow restores to us our humanity and our basic

a sacred humanity basically

as a being beyond an instrument we're no longer just a tool or an instrument if we sacrifice some one

for no reason we're proving that humanity doesn't exist to serve some

utilitarian purpose it's for its own sake it's for itself

right

geter just thrown away a pair of shoes well the reason human sacrifice is so important of a tie

it's because you're you're

eliminating the human

right

because you're making the statement that this human does not serve a purpose

is not a tool

you're doing something to a person for no reason just eliminating them right

it's the idea

that which servile use has degraded rendered i don't think they actually sacrifice someone but he writes about historical human sacrifice

in this like transgressive provocative way but

he's not actually sacrificing people come on i don't believe he did

profane

all labor not just under capitalism desubjectivizes human beings it renders them into things which can be satanic shit

well you don't know my theory is

i think but i

independently arrives at shit that like the ruling class actually does believe

you know

that's what i really do think

said to that's why i like him because it's like

he's exposing

the ruling class indirectly

because i really do think they believe on all sorts of crazy shit

it somehow makes sense you know

human sacrifice is based

no but this is a halloween themed

theory stream

so let's get spookie why not

be useful or not but if one is utterly annihilated heart carved out and body discarded then we can no longer speak of man as a thing in sacrifice one becomes the accursed share the body consumed without profit but at the same time the victim enters into a realm of intimacy known to very few destruction is the best means of negating a utilitarian

you see this

this is exactly what i was saying

destruction

is the best means of suit

in order to negate

a relationship based on utility

that you're just using it for some other end you destroy it

you're proving that it's

it's not a utilitarian relation that's what that's the basic idea

relation this negation and the restoration of intimacy to human existence is what bati sees as the aim of all religion we have beter is a french she's like ea like

a french reaction

to american

an anglo saxon utilitarian consumerist global capitalism

he's very french as a thinker

he represents the french resistance to the french

don't accept

anglo saxon utilitarianism

brance is a real european civilization

right

it doesn't accept this idea of all of our values and all of our

humanity being a mere utility to some kind of further ends

right

so i'm putting it into context

of this in the regal treatment lavished upon aztec victim i don't want to see a penis there's no penis here but it want to risk it

before their death and its converse in mands's sacrifice of his sons to spare them a life of alienation and misery my heart is your heart i will rip them loose from this rotten world and set them to burn all to save them

the heat of sacrifice ignites the dry paper soul into something warm and divine

when mandus reflects on his fateful trip to mexico he remarks

perhaps their tragedy was they could simply not spill blood enough to prevent the sky from falling upon them

and yet

mandus builds his temple

not to stave off the apocalypse

but to herald its arrival

water in his shoes always the water and the sparks of the embers of the wheels it's too bony it's too damp bony industrial growth precedes demographic expansion the factories produce their waste in the form of more consumers this bati says

is the fleshy aspect of the bony proliferation of the factories

fermndis

the metal work is always too bony the architecture should blend and flow not brind and creak the actual functioning of his machine is the game's most fantastical achievement

the elect you should really think of infrastructure in factories as bones

right

e tricity used to stun the pigs is built up by

no there's no profit aspect

um

would be not getting killed by the sun

but there's a sacred reason they fear the sun they i don't think the aztecs actually believe

the sun is going to kill them i think it's like

a metaphor for their place in the hole of being

it's not really about like all they're scared like

it's kind of like stupid like the ice is now like oh ship men like imagine like we forgot the sacrifice that got the were going m up to the temple

like

that's kind of what

like a very modern subject right it's like a movie where like

hey i mean i didn't make the rules if i don't kill this guy this you know we're all dead

you know and if you want that's like a very american hollywood kind of scenario right

but it wasn't like that for them it was a very religious thing they believed in

that they re believed in it in a religious sense

not in like a

you know a sense of like scientific realism

right

by friction between their carts and the conveyor belt methane vapors are captured to drive the engines and mandus heats his mansion with the excess warmth produced by the refrigeration process even raw sewage is put to work is it dangerous allow this fly discharge so close to the coal we can use the flow to drive the turbines there will always be a torrent of excrete flooding through these tunnels

we can use this to supplement the steam production and sure constancy got this this fcal matter is the true product to the age the true product indeed

as mandus puts it the more product is processed the more power becomes available to the machine and productivity is actually increased by orienting his entire operation around by products and waste he succeeds in inventing a perpetual motion machine of excrement and

his operation is in perfect accord with bati's principles

constant growth churned into constant expansion

accelerating accelerating always inhaling and exhaling with renewed pressure but all this expansion requires room of the clandestine sort and so mandus must dig deeper ever deeper carving out room for his monstrous invention the previous amnesia was called the dark descent

but a machine for pigs wrings a lot of horror out of its non euclidean descent into hell

batai discusses the erotic movements of the earth

how eruptive forces accumulate in those who are necessarily situated below

pressure

if this solar is the cosmic anus for batai what is the cosmic phallaus

um

i think the idea is there is n

the sun is fallic in ancient traditions yes it is

but i doesn't believe in the

the pvoals

but tai forecloses the palace he forecloses the master signifier it's lakon's criticism

but tai is basically psychotic for look on

right

m

so he does not believe in the fallllice so to speak

or he represses it

builds the further lots on bringing urban muslims a whatot john b and shakespeare could be creepy yeah

yeah we'll we'll we'll do it we'll find the time

or down we tunnel the underground is home to a constant royal the sun's excreted rays cannot penetrate so deep but their influence is there

layered in the sediment all that we burrow through is history the crystallized light of ages stacked upon ages as mandus digs he asks what places lie buried beneath us at the centre of the planet my architect tells me

there is a great iron ball

it is the egg of the world

and so he lays his egg in the tumult of the planet i want us to keep this idea of the world egg in your head because it's a very ancient occult

mr coll

notion is expressed throughout

a western philosophy

it's expressed in people like

yeah dels

can i bring nick land on which let me j shoul'tsk nick land if he wants to be interviewed why i bring him on which

did i just do that

zloud thg

i don't know he has to be allowed but otherwise i'm us going to bring him on why not

its core and damning all consideration should bring nick land on for a stream about

ror if anyone knows nick land

if any of you know him ask him ask him if he wants to be brought on

they talk about horror

horror right cosmic horror and h p lovecraft

and tell him we're on a politically correct platform and we're not allowed to talk about

anything spicy but

ask him if he's interested

s of space it hatches into a grain if you know him don't tell him i asked you either

temple i find doell want to go for

i just want to see if you'd be interested you know

so like it's for a halloween special we want to talk about

that

and

i won't debate him about anything i'll just let him talk

i tell you professor a trail of set doogan on i do want to talk to dogan too

but

i'll talk to dougan in holy november and december

october's the unholy halloween so we'll talk to nick land and then

to cleanse ourself of nick lans evil will bring dogin in november december

greed brings rich men to your doors like pigs that trafvels

it would have been easy to make this a story bring doogan for christmas and he will be the sant of claus

frey about capitalism gone awry

instead the game presented a holy man

its pigs as agents of class struggle of revolution mandas's operations were never in the service of profit

but of sacrifice

he lures in the rich and powerful with carnal pleasures and converts them into fodder fit in nicland hate but i know he loved the

for his army of swine they are fit only to be plumped up and then devoured in this way he says we have created our very own bottled revolution for the movement of the masses is a causal factor in the extermination of the rich but isn't nick land pretty racist yes he's a hyper racist in his own words

he believes in

human biodiversity and race and i q and he believes in the

he believes in like

hyper speciation that like

nickline basically thinks humanity doesn't exist it's just like all

different

types of species and there's no one humanity he believes in like

but he's not a white he's not a white nationalist

he's not a white nationalist

maybe you could say he's a white supremacist as an indirect criticism but

he's not consciously a white supremacist you know he's not a white nationalist

but he's racist as well yeah yeah for real

and in case people think like' oll hos

why are you overlooking his racism dude he's racist against arabs too he thinks arabs are stupid

thank

he but you know he probably thinks i'm naturally stupid

but i'm not offended uncer

this that's a doone view

you can't personalize i you can personalize it

i choose not to personalize it you know

first the man still an interesting guy

s must be cleansed in filth and their characters enhanced the metaphor of payd impersonal that's just his view

what he believes

occupies a dual i don't even think he should i'm against to be deep platforming him

in general

but

i think he should be able to say what he wants you know

openly

sod like he's abusing people

personly

alance and mandus's mind when appl you get in trouble for talking to him on twitch that's what i gott to find out

because i'm thinking like

if we don't go near any spicy topics why not you know he's he has other things to say he's not just that

to the wealthy it turns them inside out revealing their wretched inner is he a patriot faulkner

f

nick land is literally misanthropic he literally believes

that

humans are

he hates humans he thinks humans are just a step into creating an ai

and the a i is going to kill off all the humans

and he only thinks humans should exist to create the ai

he wants to escape you man he thinks you humans are like

monkeys and he hates humans

mmhmm

y

let alone fucking patriot do it hees

that's just weird because he's like a weird guy but it's holloween and it's interesting ok

it's interesting

pig in this sense is an epithet and a denunciation sounds dumb he's really not dumb dude he's he's cool

but stitching together the down it's interesting ok where it's coming from you have to really think about it ok

i have a critique of my own but

you can't dismiss it dude he has a powerful criticism

twine flesh has an altogether different meaning

nick land is when you take anglo saxon metaphysics to their final conclusion

and he did that

and i like him because he exposes anglo saxon metaphysics for what it is

he just openly exposes it and i just love that about him

buthen he's super into lovecraft and cosmic horror and like

thematically he's a cool guary like

he's interested in all the things i like he likes alien

he likes

osmic horror and lovecraft and he's not like an evil guy guys he's not like this like scumbag evil piece of shit guy he's just

he's just a kind of eccentric weird guy ok

and

you know

he is super smart too

super interesting

the lower classes take on these characteristics mandus compares it to evolution his new creatures are loyal clever strong easily sated the first being with a full consciousness of self perversely i like moldbug dude i like nick land way more than moldbug

i like him way more than moldbucks

moldbug is fucking boring ok at the end of the day moldbugs fucking boring

nick land literally talks about aliens and robots and shit and like

sorry dude it's cool it's

i'm kind of a nerd in a way right i'm not the i'm not a nerd in the sense of an arrogant guy but like i'm a nerd in the sense of like i love horror i love lovecraft i love cosmic horror i love

those things and i just

i love movies and fiction and

terminator and all the science fiction and

you know

the man pagus

positioned as rational as higher than the intermmentch who is rotten with sentimentality i have such visions to share with thee if my jaw be unshackled and you harvest the crust from my eyes make me clean what if i brought nick land on to switch and he literally just says the n word

what the fuck dude what if i just brought him on v c and he just fuckin

he tries to just give me band immediately he just starts saying slurs or something

tod

that would

he would never do that i don't think he would ever do that but just imagine dude

my thoughts and words unfoundd me i don't think you will do that to you would not do that

he's not

yes

he's not edgy at all he's not an edgy guy at all

can you imagine

cleanliness is always the word on mandics's tongue like you would have to hate me so much

he would have to hate me so much to do that

no

he could not personally like a personal hatred

did not see the dirt of empire and industry until returning from the pristine jungle

but so like a pig he wallows in the mud to wash himself clean his goal was always salvation

first for his sons then the world and finally himself

which is i'm a theoretical enemy not a personal enemy i it's not like i'm like calling for him to be deplatformed and shit

in trying to like boycott him or whatever

why he betrays the machine he labured so long to build

what is the machine for pigs it is chiefly a history machine its goal is to beckon the future to the present where it can be directed aimed with greater clarity writing after the two world wars ba ti diagnosed them as the ruin that befalls civilizations which cannot rid themselves of their incendiary surplus like an unbroken animal that cannot be trained

it is this energy that destroys us it is we who pay the price of the inevitable explosion the machine tells us as much itself you maymendous but i have seen the future the twentieth centuryt tll far greates i seek to save the world by blood now

the chief product of the machine is not blood or shit or an army of man pigs it is understanding mandeson batai rail against ok there's nothing bad but still

ignorance above all else

ignorance causes us to undergo what we could bring about in our own way if we only understood

a this to undergo

but we could bring about in our own way if we only understood

mm

both of them diviners reading the twentieth century backwards and forwards in the thin light at the edge of the sun the rotten sun which gave us our blood and demanded we spill it at the end when we sit atop the pyramid in the cracked shell of the egg it is our heart that is ripped out with no one even to receive the offering mandicus's death is the ultimate repudiation of consumption

sacrificed and sacrialised he transcends the accursed share even as the city above him remains cursed caught in the impenetrable half light between ruin and revolution century

wow

you know what uh

them this guy's got othar videos

should i sub to him i'm goaning to sub to him

the duke's only got

k subscribers

i need to grow my subscribers why am i promoting others

but

a good video

i think i was good

i think it was pretty good

he's got a santa video we we'll return to that

we'll return to that in the future

good stuff

not bad

no bed at all

he's not bad

accelerationism the dark enlightenment and the strange life of nick land

quite a few issues nowadays seem prettyt we're going to this is an intro to nick land video

walking awesome dude

i wanna give it to mods to see if it's tos

um

me see

o and i gona save it here

we're not watching it tonight

me come on when i watch

but

i don't know what you guys think

you guys

i'm going to take my edibles this is going to be the last four hour stream

after this we're going to go back to our six hour streams

i just got to reset my sleep s goed to wish me look guys please wish me look i need all the look i can get

so wish me some of that luck

y

i'm gonna take some edibles

m

yeah and hopefully i'll wake up at like eleven or twelve or one something i don't know

i'm going to watch another episode of spid game

and iya p s hid a kiana

don't be annoying

jana's actually cool gy she helps us a lot

so

ill see you guys later

bye bye

b byy