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Comrade Kid with the five.

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Alright, guys, so I'm going to do two things.

I'm going to start the space for the second thing.

Like.

Basically, look, two things.

First thing, I'm going to actually talk about Twitch one last time, and I'm going to just outline the strategy for what I'm going to be using the Twitch for, because I thought about it long and hard, and I can explain why, but I've come to the conclusion this is the best thing.

And then the second thing is that I'm going to talk about Paul Pot and Cambodia and clarify where we stand on that whole thing, you know, as a party.

Because apparently there's confusion.

You know, I already talked to Johnny about it.

And my view that it was a mistake to just start a conflict over this and start a discursive vector of polarization over that issue.

But I'm going to actually clarify where we stand on that whole thing and what our view is.

But I'll start the space first and then do it, you know?

So that's how we're going to actually do that.

We're going to start the space first.

And then I will uh I will set about doing that.

I just want to talk to you before I start the space about Twitch and what the plan for Twitch is going to be.

So I basically um

I thought very deeply about all the different factions of Twitch and live stream fails and what's going on on Twitch and the pipelines that are being established of radicalization and what possible place I could have on Twitch.

And I came to the conclusion that strategically, strategically, it is not possible for me to stream to Twitch like I stream to Kik.

And grow.

I can't pull from any audience there.

There's really nothing I could do.

The pipelines are all sealed as far as my ability to sit on this desk and do content.

Because anything that I do from my desk that I need to do to grow is going to require me sacrificing the professionalism and integrity that is deserving and is expected from a executive chairman of a party.

But

And I trust me, this decision has been made with a comprehensive.

Uh mapping of all of the different factions of the Twitch discourse, XQC, Aiden Ross, uh Hassan Piker, uh the the Destiny people um the the the Hitler gamers and the anime lovers and all those Redditors and and whatever Asman Gold, Hitler gamers, whatever they are and um

You know, demographically, culturally, there is no place for our message just streaming there, like sitting at a desk.

There's no way to do it.

But there is a way to do it.

It just involves something much more, right?

So, what I'm gonna be doing with the Twitch, I'm just gonna be basically telling you this.

Is that I'm going to be using the infrared platform on Twitch to IRL stream ACP related stuff.

Meaning I'm going to be traveling the country chapter to chapter, going to college campuses and schools, and we are going to do Mr.

Beast style, I guess you want to call it that.

We're going to be live streaming our good works and our community service, our labor organizing, and most importantly, our student initiatives.

And that's all going to be IRL.

And the place I'm going to be doing the IRL is going to be Twitch.

You see, Kick is not a place that rewards good deeds.

It doesn't have automatic discursive significance.

On Twitch, though, it does.

It has automatic discursive significance for people to talk about and give it attention.

So Twitch is where I'm going to be live streaming and showcasing party activity.

I'm going to be doing that as well to promote and invigorate more party activity in general.

It's going to basically allow me to constantly travel the country to basically meet with chapters and make sure everything is going smoothly on the ground.

And it's also going to promote the party and it's going to create all the right discursive contradictions that we want.

And from the perspective of the demographics that we're targeting, this is the move because basically when you think about it, people don't want to see when I am coming from such a radically different place, such a radically different perspective.

Nobody, I think, is really interested in me just sitting on my desk talking and gibbering.

People want to see what I'm about and my results and what I stand for in practice.

They want to actually see it.

First, and then s that gives justification for whatever discourse that I'm introducing.

That's especially true for some of the newer generations, like that just don't have any patience for another Hassan Piker to sit on their fucking desk in a mansion and gibber about their beliefs and ideals without actually walking the walk.

So a lot of thought has been put into this and basically that is it's gonna be IRL streams that's that Twitch is gonna be used for.

So and then I might use it if I ever have to go respond to Hassan or do anything on that front.

But basically exclusively speaking, it's just gonna be for the IRLs.

And that was the decision I came to.

I was kind of feeling a little down and I was like, Twitch sucks.

I don't even know like there's nothing I could even do there because it's like I'm literally a space alien who comes from a different world.

And then I was like, actually, there is something I could do.

It's just actually show what our party is doing and make that exciting and interesting and make that add humor to it.

Add engage make it engaging.

Make it fascinating.

Make it peak people's interest.

And I think that's very possible.

I think it's very, very doable.

It's going to come from more.

It's going to require as well a lot more.

This is more party business.

And then our May events, I'll be talking to you guys in person about this.

I know not everyone is coming to the May event, but for those that I think at least one person from each chapter is.

And so you'll be able to relay back home what I tell you and communicate to you.

But basically, we're going to be collaborating with chapters to produce content that is engaging, that is stimulating, simultaneously does good locally, but also does good for the overall.

Um message of the party, right?

And it's going to require more intense collaboration on that front.

It is something I'm going to have to run by the Central Committee, which is I'm telling you this now as far as just to justify why I'm not going to be using the Twitch actively.

That's the only reason I'm telling you about this.

I'm not telling you this because it's like for certain, because the Central Committee is going to form in early May, and that's when we're going to be talking about it.

debating it and discussing and whatever, but if they approve this initiative

I don't know what the fuck

That is.

I don't know what that is.

I'm using a new Streamlabs thing that's integrating the all the different Twitch and Kik and I guess it's giving me notifica I I don't know what's going on.

Uh but um

You know, I wonder if I could accept donations on Streamlabs.

'Cause if I can, you know, that'll be pretty lit if I c if they unbanned me and I can finally accept donations again.

Uh, tipping.

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Am I gonna be able to accept donations on Streamlabs?

Hold on.

Alright, um yeah, no, it's this this page is nowhere to be found.

Huh.

Interesting.

What?

Yo, ABC with the five.

ABC, what's up, man?

Um, hey, uh, I don't mean to bug you about this, but if you're there, ABC, um, could you check the messages about that song and just let me know what your availability is for that?

By the way, if you guys don't know, ABC, this is kind of crazy, this notification stuff.

But ABC is the guy who was behind our songs for our trailer.

Um, that's ABC for our he he's created that banger.

It's actually incredible.

Um, for the when we launched the party, he created the song, uh, that beautiful rendition of tramp, tramp, tramp.

By the way, we're gonna add lyrics to that soon eventually.

I need to turn this off, this notification off.

I don't know how to fucking do that.

Um, alert box, I guess that's it.

Let's just shut it off.

Yeah, so he was behind that, and he's so good at what he does.

We want him to um

We want him to.

You don't, bro, you don't own me.

You definitely don't owe me, bro.

You don't owe me.

We definitely want him to.

If he can, if you can, we would love for you to do another one because he's it's just a talent that's so rare.

Um

And he did it very, very well, very well executed.

I don't know if you use AI as well now, or if that helps at all, but if it may be.

But you you have the skills and the know-how, it's very good.

Um

So let me start this space and start talking about Cambodia.

I also need a co-host.

I need a co-host as well.

I'm gonna share the uh link for the

For the space right here.

Discord.

All right.

Alright, so yeah, I'm gonna talk about Cambodia.

Uh Kaizar, just wait.

I'm going to talk about Cambodia first, and I'm going to be doing that in the spaces in case anyone wants to chime in.

And officially laid arrest all the Cambodia discourse and whatnot.

So basically, guys, I'm going to just tell it to you this way.

If you read the American Communist Party Constitution and our declaration, we espouse a unified tendency of Marxism-Leninism.

And there are notable differences between the unified tendency of Marxism-Leninism versus Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, you know, as synthesized by Gonzalo or as synthesized by the New People's Party in the Philippines.

We have our own kind of synthesis called the unified tendency, which basically amounts to this.

We affirm Chinese anti-revisionism and we affirm Mao Zedong thought and we affirm the critique of Soviet revisionism.

We also affirm Deng Xiaoping thought and Xi Jinping thought.

But one thing that makes us stand apart is that we still uphold China's critique of Soviet revisionism.

But in contrast to so-called Maoists, according to the unified tendency, the struggle against revisionism should have always and should be regarded as a secondary contradiction within the context of proletarian dictatorships and socialist states.

So just because some socialist countries go down the revisionist path does not negate the objectivity of proletarian dictatorships, nor does it erase the legitimacy and credibility of socialist construction entirely.

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So, for example, all of the Soviet Union itself and all of the Soviet-aligned countries.

Were and still are so legitimate socialist countries with legitimate proletarian dictatorships, and the the problem of revisionism is an internal matter.

It's a principally internal matter.

And if we have any critique to contribute to the phenomena of revisionism, it is not for the purpose of attacking these countries.

It's not for the purpose of adding to the besieging.

It is rather as a cautionary warning that we do not want to see them collapse and maybe we don't do this by the way as a party, but I'm just saying even hypothetically, that's where we're coming from.

Because Mao's thinking did not fully clarify the question of where the principled Marxist-Leninist stance actually stands on the objectivity of proletarian dictatorships and socialist states.

It didn't actually clarify that fully.

Only when the

Warsaw Pact started to go down this path of dismantling socialism, did the Chinese start writing them letters under Deng saying, Hey, listen, we've had outstanding differences with you.

But you're taking it too far.

Like this is not what we meant.

We don't think you should dismantle wholesale and destroy socialism in general.

They they didn't want the Soviet Union to collapse.

Mao and the Chinese wanted some kind of anti-revisionist thing to happen within the Soviet Union, but they didn't actually conceive of the destruction of the whole thing wholesale, right?

China obviously had to defend itself and make all the necessary choices to defend its sovereignty and its territorial integrity.

It was being besieged by the forces of revisionism that were trying to undermine it and even collaborate with America against it.

We fully respect and understand the Chinese position, but the Chinese could not they didn't have the energy or the resources at that time to commit to the principle of building an international world socialist bloc and take responsibility for that.

So China could not save the Soviet Union.

It couldn't save the Warsaw Pact.

It could not take responsibility for that world socialist geopolitical bloc, right?

So there's a lot of nuance when it comes to that.

And we uphold, according to our party's constitution, Vietnam is a legitimate socialist country and a legitimate proletarian dictatorship.

And we're very happy to see more cooperation between socialist countries.

And by no means are we interested in facilitating any kind of division.

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So that is Wow, Sleeper Cell with the 10.

Thank you so much.

So let me further clarify our stance on the question of Cambodia specifically and Pol Pot.

So there have been a lot of memes in the history of the infrared community before the creation of the party and these have not always been serious.

They have not always been directly some kind of formal communication or whatever that outlines a principled party organization stance.

And I'm not even doing that here.

I'm just kind of I want to maturely and professionally communicate the actual kernel of truth behind that view, okay?

Which goes as follows.

The revolution in Cambodia, which was indeed a social revolution.

Absolutely corresponded to horrific circumstances of a US bombing, a relentless US bombing of Campuchia that was going on, that was genocidal in nature, as well as a huge degree of social chaos.

And definitely, definitely, Amilo with the 10, thank you so much.

Definitely, key word here, there were many, many social horrors and atrocities that happened during that revolutionary experience, which got out of control in many kinds of different ways.

And nobody should be out here denying that or overlooking that fact.

All we have ever wanted to do is communicate the following nuance.

And the whole thing is a tragedy.

In retrospect, it was a tragedy.

Because the conflict with Vietnam and that happened between Cambodia, Vietnam, and then China, this led the Cambodian Revolution to go down a path of not being able to actually have any independent revolutionary principle.

And yes, the Kimmerouge ended up just being on the payroll of America and serving America's geopolitical interests, losing any kind of original revolutionary sense of principle.

And then, you know, over time, it was defeated.

But then the Kimberouge became involved in criminal organization and so on and so on.

So it was an extreme tragedy what happened.

It wasn't something you should just not have nuance in understanding what happened.

All I or this community, the only thing that we've ever had.

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The only distinguishing position we've had is we reject the lack of nuance and we reject the black and white mischaracterization of that history, according to which there was no Cambodian revolution.

It was all CIA from the very beginning.

And Vietnam came as the savior to save and liberate Cambodia.

See, that is what we reject.

We don't accept that one-sided narrative.

We also recognize that the Cambodian Revolution did continue.

This is why it was tragic, and I've talked about this before.

It did speak to a real and legitimate antagonism and inequality between the urban centers and the rural periphery.

And it did manage to tap into an immense and explosive revolutionary energy that did exist in the countryside, that did speak to a genuine revolutionary grievance and a new scale and degree of mobilization.

It ended in tragedy because it was not able to be articulated in a proper scientific manner.

And it immediately fell victim to the immediacy of the fanatical revolutionary consciousness, which led to a profound social tragedy.

Again, in the midst of an unprecedented scale and campaign of U.S.

bombings, where the wholesale destruction and extermination was happening in the background, right, already.

So it was a profound social tragedy, and it culminated and it ended in tragedy, and that's why it failed.

I have always just insisted upon having an awareness that there was an original, authentic revolutionary beginning there.

That Vietnamese revisionism and Soviet-aligned revisionism.

Was unable to speak to in any capacity.

There was something awakened among the Cambodian masses that was not being articulated by Soviet-aligned revisionism.

So, but oftentimes people ignore what I've actually said, right?

The direct conflict that it unleashed.

Uh, you know, between uh various demographics and the violence, the direct physical violence at a crazy scale.

I mean, that was a sign of a profound aborted immaturity of that revolution.

And what do I say?

I say between Mao's cultural revolution, in between what happened in Cambodia happened, and it was a profound tragedy, and the matured development of the same revolutionary principle happened in Iran when the Iranian revolution was largely bloodless, but it did correspond to a similar awakening of this peripheral rural masses that were considered ignorant and backward, rising up against arrogant institutional urban elites.

And that is an example of the matured revolutionary principle that is at play here, right?

It should not correspond to direct physical violence.

It should not correspond to social wars of extermination.

It should correspond rather to the elevation politically of a principle that empowers the rural and peripheral masses at the expense of arrogant urban elites.

Dream of Jupiter, thank you so much for the five.

So there's so much nuance there compared to and why we should be a little more mature now.

I'm not saying all the jokes disappear.

I'm not saying all the memes disappear.

I'm just saying there's no real point in going on X and being reckless about how we communicate our position on this, which is full of nuance, because it serves no purpose whatsoever other than to make us appear fringe and ostracize us.

Because a lot of people just aren't educated about that history.

They're not educated about the fact that so many of the atrocities that are attributed to the Kimmer Rouge were actually the result of the U.S.

bombing.

And they were just attributed to Paul Pot, but it was actually the U.S.

bombing, right?

And people don't know the nuances.

People don't understand this requires knowledge and education and study.

And you should not just recklessly punish people for not being exposed to that because most people don't know these facts.

If anything, you should just try.

To educate people better about it, right?

And you should also not be going out of your way to be promoting division between fraternal socialist nations today.

We uphold the legitimacy of Vietnamese socialism.

And yeah, Volk Wolz is right.

There were also a lot of infiltrators.

That's very true.

And with that came a profound degree of.

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In any case, so yeah, th th this is our view on on the the the whole thing about uh Vietnam, the Cambodian Revolution, China's position on the matter.

There should be no room for any kind of take that lacks nuance.

That's our view.

We just don't believe in having a one-sided view.

We believe in fully investigating the facts and not taking at face value the claims, all of the claims that are made.

While there definitely were atrocities and horrible things that happened, just like in the case of Mao and Stalin and other examples of revolutionary upheaval, a lot of them are definitely made with the malicious intent of slandering communism in general.

And again, atrocities that are committed by the U.S.

bombings are often attributed to the Kim Rouge, right?

So this is our view on the matter.

Revolutions are not necessarily.

uh pleasant things, okay?

That is a principle of unleashing total social chaos.

All revolutions unleash extreme forces of chaos

And they unleash these energies within the socius that everything is fucking on the like everything is up in the air.

And they are not pleasant events.

And it requires a disciplined, effective, and most importantly, scientific revolutionary leadership to rein in these forces of destruction and put them to creative and

Principled use.

That did not happen in Cambodia because of the profound chaos of the US bombings, because of the lack of scientific clarity about the real forces underlying that revolution, and it ended in tragedy.

That is our view on it.

Basically, that is our view.

There was an insufficient level of scientific leadership and there was also circumstances and a background of a huge atrocity of US uh bombings.

So that is my view.

That's not the official party line, because remember, the Kim Marouge was unsuccessful and it no longer exists.

So our party has no stance on the Kimmer Rouge and Paul Pot, which don't exist anymore.

But our party does have a stance on Vietnam, which does still exist.

And we uphold Vietnam as a legitimate and credible and real example of socialism and the proletarian dictatorship.

So that's our view.

We just emphasize the need for nuance

And lack of emotions when studying revolutionary periods in history and not being swept up and overtaken by these immense volumes of propaganda.

That's it.

That's really just what I say, you know, what I'm saying as infrared, in a professional and mature, and unironic way, without the memes, right?

Um I would I would say something the same with Gonzalo.

You know, the the the the Shining Path committed horrible atrocities which were documented and are absolutely worthy of condemnation and and there's no defending those.

But

To say they weren't onto something would also be one-sided.

To say that they weren't tapping into a unique social, civilizational and demographic reality in Peru that all the established political forces failed to tap into would also be profoundly one-sided.

They did manage to discover something, they just didn't do it in the correct way in terms of applying their insights.

And this is the problem with revolutionary praxis.

In revolutionary praxis, there is a lot of room for making mistakes and making errors.

And errors and mistakes, revolution is nothing to toy with.

So when you make a mistake and you make an error, it can end in profound fucking tragedy.

Like, revolutionary praxis is similar to like experimenting with explosives.

One wrong fucking move and it can all blow up and be really bad, right?

That's why our American Communist Party has this principle of decentralization so that we could absorb mistakes and not allow a conceit to rise to the level of a prescription, an absolute prescription that fucks the whole thing up.

We want room for people to fail and make mistakes so we can learn from them rather than taking drastic action on the basis of an unproven conceit.

You know?

So that's kind of uh where we stand on that, you know.

We also look, when it comes to the Maoists in the Philippines, again, we're not one-sided with respect to that either, regardless of the contemporary circumstances and situation.

Clearly, the history, the cursory glance at the history there does reveal genuine experience with revolutionary praxis.

Now, what has that become today?

And now there's a lot of room for debate, but at least historically, there's no overlooking that and dismissing it wholesale.

So uh that's what I would like to communicate, you know.

Um, basically.

F f finally.

Now I'll bring on everyone in order.

We need uh someone to co-host.

If anyone can co-host.

We definitely need a co-host to be able to bring people up that I cannot see.

Um.

Because only three people are requesting.

Let me bring on Kaizarian.

Kaizarian, go ahead.

Good evening, Mr.

Chairman.

How are you, sir?

Good.

I'm fine.

How are you?

Very well.

I'm pleased to have this opportunity.

I've been wanting to speak to you for years, and I'm engaging in a very good faith discussion with you.

I don't know how much we ultimately agree on things, but I can tell you I respect you as a committed collectivist and someone who is unafraid to buck the system.

I appreciate that very much.

Something that I don't entirely understand, and perhaps you can help me.

Communism has, and by which I mean anything from classical Marxism to Maoism, the whole spectrum of it, is known to not be particularly pro-religion in the manner that I don't can ever think of a Communist Party, though perhaps you can, that has received the endorsement of a religious movement or the church, if you will, outright.

Yet the American Communist Party is very tolerant of religion from a pluralistic point of view insofar as you allow people to have it, or at least your membership is allowed to have it, in their privacy to whatever their conviction may be.

I understand that you personally are a Muslim, is that correct?

Um y yeah, I I would say so, but um I I don't necessarily have a problem with people um deciding to call me and something else.

It's it's very private for me, so it's not my my my s how it's presented in public doesn't matter to me much.

I see.

Are you um are you bothered by public displays of religious conviction among your membership?

No.

Okay.

So I am a um I'm a Platonist.

I assume you're fairly abundantly familiar with Platonism.

Um uh y yeah, I will say this.

Um

While on a personal level, I don't have a problem with anyone identifying with whatever creed they they so deign to, but within our party, there are only traditionally established religions that have roots in historically constituted peoples that exist now, are given like a sacred status in terms of we will not blaspheme, we will not offend, we will not cross any boundaries.

But when it comes to something like Platonism, we would not recognize that as a historically legitimate religious tradition.

And as such, the bylaws within our party with respect to

Offending the beliefs of Platinus, for example, would not be covered.

Understood.

Would you and this isn't really where I meant to go, but since you say that, would you n be intolerant of Platonic thought?

No, but I think we would not give it uh we would not give it the treatment of a special treatment of a religious belief.

Because for us, we don't want to debate religious beliefs within the party.

We want to respect them.

But whereas philosophy is open, completely open to debate and discussion and whatever.

Of course, of course.

And Platonism, of course, is not a religion, though, of course, late Platonism certainly took on certain religious characteristics.

But then I won't go down that rabbit hole.

And that's understood completely.

And therefore, I imagine you can't help but notice the overlap, at least the mechanics of Marxism and Platonism.

Do you concur or should I expound upon that?

No, it's actually very clear to me that definitely I would even go so far as to say is I think Platonism is an inceptual principle of Western philosophy.

And I think Marxism

in many ways attempts to rediscover that principle in a really different way, a materialistic way.

But nonetheless, the the platonic structure in terms of the acknowledgement of um

The acknowledgment of the fact that, you know, uh th there is a unifying and concrete principle of existence, um, definitely is shared with Marxism.

Um

But I think that the similarities start to break down in the detail.

Yeah, so the objectives seem to be different.

Looking at reading, and I will confess, the vast majority of communist literature that I have read has largely been the little communist manifesto, which you can knock out in 40 minutes.

On the other hand, I'm very well read in Platonism, or at least I would consider as such.

And reading the conclusions that Marx comes to, insofar as at least in the Communist Manifesto, as to how to fix the ailments of society, very strongly, in my opinion, seem to draw from Plato's Republic.

We have a ton of things in common, which is why it puzzles me how some Platonists want to struggle align with fascism, because fascists are very frustrate me.

They like to dress up like us traditionalists, but they go on acting like liberals.

They want this, at least in America, for instance, they want this all-white libertarianism, and it's also very empty.

It doesn't serve either liberalism or traditionalism.

I digress.

I also think that the association between Platonism and fascism is also unjustified because the fascist principle of collective existence does not recognize collective existence as an independent principle.

In fascism, it's actually the individual that's glorified, and the collective is regarded as a kind of confederation of individual wills.

This is what the fascist is.

So in a way, it's kind of more Aristotelian, if you think about it.

Whereas Platonism insists upon a singular, indivisible, antecedent collective existence, which is not reducible to the sum of its parts.

And therefore, it's at least more proximate toward the communist view than the fascist one.

Certainly.

Fascists are philosophically satanic.

And what I mean by that is they believe in the glorification of the individual, the Nichean Superman.

They want everyone to manifest this godness unto themselves.

And therefore, their great collective, for all their rhetoric about race and nation and everything else, they really want this collection of alpha wolves.

And if you fall short of that, then you deserve to get eaten because that's Darwinism.

Of course, when Jews eat them in their perception, when other people wrong them, whoever the bad guy group is, that's unfair.

That's unfair play.

But whenever they do it to other people, that's completely within the laws of nature.

It's also very hypocritical.

But in just the direction I mean to, that we concur very strongly about the collective spirit of the nation, however you define the nation, if you define it broadly as the collection of all sapient beings, for which we can recognize all of humanity until we start discovering aliens.

And that there is a universal morality.

There is a absolute right and wrong.

And definitely we start to, at least I do, a communist will, of course, concur.

The very crude way in which everyone is only ever quantified anymore by their material possessions is very degenerate.

This is a really interesting conversation, and I hate to wrap it up, but I do want to conclude this, but I'll conclude it on a note, just for the audience's sake.

You will find throughout history very curious and interesting forms of Platonic and Neoplatonic revolutionary movements in the pre-modern era, where you have these revolutionary movements that are motivated and guided by ostensibly Platonist principles.

So it's really interesting, actually, how in history, sometimes the Platonist principles correspond to a new kind of proto-communist sense of revolutionary solidarity, you know, to humble elites and

Uh rebel against uh ruling orders and so on and so on.

Mm Mr.

Chairman, I was just getting to the part where we could actually debate.

I I only wanted to frame it.

Well I I I don't I think this kind of debate is going to take up the entire time of the space.

So we should set a we should set aside uh maybe Sunday or Tuesday when I go live if you want to have a more in-depth philosophical debate, but not for the confront the chairman space.

Certainly.

My apologies.

When Sunday can I expect?

If you go in the Discord, in our Discord, and you go into the show requests channel, just I usually go live at 9 p.m.

Eastern, Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, Thursdays, confront the chairman spaces, and that would be a good time to do it.

Excellent.

Thank you so much for your time, Mr.

Chairman.

I look forward to our next conversation.

Yep, looking forward to it.

So, Kayla, do you want to bring on two other requests?

One kind of looks like a bot account, and the other Rambly, who might want to talk about tools.

Yeah, I see the bot.

I'm going to bring on the bot because I'm interested in what that could possibly.

Hello.

Yeah.

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

CryptoWeb, unmute your mic now or you're banned.

Yeah, you fucking AI fing bot getting so sophisticated.

What a crazy thing.

Alright, let's bring up Rambly the Autistic.

How many holes has Oh sorry, was that supposed to be you?

My bad.

Yeah.

What's going on?

Um there's one thing I do want to ask.

Uh-huh.

Do you know about infrared?

Like

There's a infrared supporter out there with the Pokemon profile pic.

Do you know about him?

No.

Yeah, he uh he supports a furry.

But anyways, I think you already know what I want to ask.

Um okay, yeah, but the thing is, he supports a furry pedophile.

I don't know if you know about him.

But anyways, here's what I want to ask.

Is it not?

No, it's not.

Are you sure about that?

It's not my alt.

Are you sure?

It's not my alt.

Are you sure, Rambly?

I'm sure about it.

I hope you're sure about it because if I'm sure about it.

I hope you are.

I am sure about it.

How much do you want to bet?

My entire life savings.

That's not my all.

You could actually control your entire life savings?

Yes.

How much is that?

I don't know if I know.

I'm going to have our legal department send you a document where you put in writing that you will commit your entire life savings, that you have nothing to do with that alt.

I have nothing to do with that account.

Okay, our legal department is going to send you a document.

So you formally commit to the agreement that if we can prove that it's yours, that you will give us your entire life savings.

Okay, I guess.

Are you going to stand by and be ready for that?

Yeah, I'll stand by it.

And the thing, okay, the second question: how many hairs do women have below the belt?

How many holes?

Uh, Rambly, do you know what the Sonic song?

Blue Hedgehog.

How many holes has?

How many holes?

Come on, Don't.

How many holes?

Come on.

How many vaccines does it take to cure autism?

No, how many holes do women have below the belt?

Come on, keep answer the question.

How many vaccine holes do you have all over the belt?

How many holes?

How do how many holes are you actually gonna push anti-fox propaganda?

Come on, how many holes do women have below the belt?

You know, an entire extinct species got revived and and now now and you can't even answer this question.

How many holes?

They call me Sonic, cause I am dead.

How many holes come on, Haz!

How many holes do women have below the belt?

Answer the question, dude.

Um I guess he left.

I guess he just gave up.

I guess he just gave up.

He's like, all right, I just quit.

This is so stupid.

Alright, anyway, uh is there anyone else requesting?

Uh Kayla, is there anyone else requesting?

Uh something about ACP, what's up?

Did did the space crash no way?

No way.

Oh.

Uh

Guys, thumbs up if you can still hear me in the space.

Okay, it's just Kayla.

Yeah, I'm good.

Uh I need someone to help me co-host this.

Let me find people that typically are speaking in spaces that are from our community.

Yeah.

Infrared.

Oh this is the alt.

Yeah.

Yeah, this person is the a literal alt of Rambly.

Um

Maybe they gave their account.

We basically have proof of it, but they basically gave their account maybe to someone else is why they're requesting.

Isn't it interesting I accuse them of that and then they go into their group chat to be like, No, no, no, this is how we're gonna The fact that you're now requesting just proves it.

Okay, what, coincidentally?

Uh ESK, what's up?

What's up?

Let's see the magic trick of a completely different person.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Go ahead, speak.

Go ahead and speak.

Yeah.

Can't I cat got your tongue, I guess.

What a hilarious prank.

What a hilarious brank.

Come on, Rambly.

What's up with it?

Cat got your tongue?

Yeah.

Oh, good thing you didn't sign that document, you know?

Like, what the hell?

Anyway, uh

Let's see.

CryptoWeb is back.

I hope Crypto Web has something to say this time.

Go ahead, Crypto Web.

CryptoWeb go ahead.

Go ahead and unmute yourself.

Hello?

Yes, hello.

How are you?

Good.

How are you?

What is Mhm?

Where where are you coming at?

Where are you based in, sir?

I'm from Algeria.

Algeria?

Yeah.

All right, and w and what brings you to the Confront the Chairman's Pace today, sir?

I miss me from Krita Wa what?

Three two.

What?

Okay they left.

I don't know what the fuck

That was

But it definitely oh, he said Nigeria, okay.

Great.

Perfect.

Um, excellent.

I mean, that's what we're looking for when it comes to crypto uh for our party.

We're looking for Nigerian crypto business opportunities.

Um, for sure.

You know, that's definitely the most important thing for a confronted chairman space.

Um, Hispanic American Studies.

Hi, what's up?

Hello?

Hello.

Yeah.

Can you hear me?

Yep.

Hi.

Yeah.

Hi, has.

Uh you know I watched a video recently where you talk about how um Hispanics shouldn't be forced to choose between their indigenous and their Spanish identity.

Do you remember that?

Um me not really, but it's it's fine.

Um I I thought that was great and glad to hear it.

And I wanted to ask regarding the United States in a post-revolutionary situation.

Do you understand or do you conceive of the US as

basically becoming another country in the world?

Or is it a more of a socialist empire strategy?

Um, it would be a country but it would not be a nation state.

Jupiter, what's up?

What what what does that mean?

Well, it would be a big country, but it would not be it would be a big country w of multiple peoples, but it would not be a nation state.

It would not be an empire in the sense of, um

uh an occupation force or an imperial hegemon that oppresses and occupies people, it would be a shared uh socialist country like the USSR.

So perhaps we could say an empire in the classical sense, as in the pre-capitalist sense.

Um, well, yeah, but you know, i if you say that, people will go, Oh, you want America to be an empire and it's a bad thing optically because the US right now, there's US imperialism that exists now, you know, and and and uh using words like that um would be a recipe for inviting uh people to mischaracterize your position.

Yeah, yeah, I I s I see that.

I s I see the the word empire is totally uh seems problematic.

Um but you know the Soviet Union in a in a classical sense, in a classical sort of, you know, political theory sense was an empire.

But um s such is the nature of uh using wor language in a bad faith uh you know environment of information warfare.

You could mean one thing, but people will misrepresent what you mean because the word can have another association which you're n which is not your intention to convey.

Right, right, yeah, I I see that.

It's just, you know, something I I wrestle with a lot in terms of, you know, thinking about what is it that the United States as as an empire in the classical sense, right, you know, will sort of project onto the world in a in an affirmative universalist manner, right?

In terms of like I think that um

I don't think that a Soviet America would be a a global empire or a global polity.

It would be an American one.

Uh specifically the current territory of the United States and Canada.

And hopefully a merger with Mexico on an equal basis between different revolutionary dynasties.

Mexico has its own revolutionary tradition.

Um mm m i i if there could be a merger between the two that would be great, but it would not be one absorbing the other.

In that case.

Okay, that's that's interesting.

Um so why why stop at Mexico and why not Pan Americanism?

Well, I'm I'm not necessarily uh

Uh I'm not necessarily stopping uh at anything, but it's it's what what imposes borders are different levels of historical development and uh revolutionary political development.

And it's not my interest that forceful exporting of the revolution would occur.

Um

So the Soviet Union had neighbors and it did not uh seek to forcefully export its

Revolutionary Empire.

Uh in all directions.

But, you know, um I'm sure that it would be a tremendous influence and and and boon to revolutionary forces abroad if the United States turned red, you know, including in uh Pan America uh Central America and South America and so on.

So what it takes to develop and cultivate independent political authorities.

That's really what it is, you know.

There are different centers and polarities.

There's a center within Mexico, there's a center within North America, there's a center in South America, you know.

It's all about where the center o of uh power would be, you know.

And um there i the kind of multilateral framework, you would not have a single center.

So would it be in the United States' interest to have its center, its political center, pivot towards the Southwest and favor a more bicultural, bilingual integration with the Hispanic world?

Um such things can't really be planned for uh in advance.

Um

Because

There is also the bridge to Eurasia in in the north, you know, which would probably be very decisive and important.

We're I think we're getting ahead of ourselves as well because it's it's all about the circumstances of a revolution, revolutionary situation and war that would determine things like that, not what we can envision here and now.

Yeah, that's totally fair.

But considering the fact that Mexico will probably, when shit hits the fan, as you have said in one of your streams, you said, if shit hits the fan, you're going to escape to Mexico, right?

Because most likely Mexico is going to be on our side.

It's definitely not going to be Canada.

So territorially speaking.

Yeah, I think Canada...

I think that's possible.

Remember, there are class enemies within Mexico as well.

There are counter-revolutionary forces within Mexico.

The great boon, as far as the Mexican side of things, has been Morena.

That has been a great thing.

That has been a movement that has empowered the left wing forces.

within Mexico, but it can't be taken for granted, you know.

The f the fourth uh fourth revolutionary moment, as they put it.

Right, right.

I mean, I I I have my critiques of of Morena, but but yeah, I mean, it it is an interesting development um and and I I think it's certainly interesting that you make that uh comparison between the sort of Eurasian um outreach and the Pan American outreach, right?

These would be two different projects that perhaps don't necessarily have to contradict each other.

Right.

Well, in any case uh Thank thank you for the question.

I think we're gonna have to wrap it up there, unfortunately, but um

Yeah, so l let's bring on ultra blue.

Uh what's going on Rambly?

Oh, you want me on?

Yeah, didn't you call yourself a pedophile earlier?

No.

Yeah, you said that the the account that you're presenting as was some kind of furry and they followed a pedophile.

Uh that was red.

That was red.

I'm blue.

I'm completely different.

Oh, but you're okay, so it's like uh uh multiple personality disorder thing, like from the movie Split.

Or is it like severance where this is the innie or the out?

Or maybe just accept the fact that we're different people, or maybe it's like severance where there's like innies and outies and there's like different personalities.

We're different people, anyways.

Are you going to talk about vaginas again?

Uh it's an anatomy question.

How many holes do women have below the belt?

Are you uh transgender?

No.

Why do you hate trans people?

I don't hate trans people.

Are you sure?

I don't.

I just there's something a little bit transphobic about your fixation.

It's just an anatomy.

Define women for me.

Why don't you do that?

Someone who identifies as a woman.

So it seems like you're making a lot of anatomical assumptions.

You're not going to run away from this.

Lower that.

Lower that makes sense.

I'm not hip.

Don't run from the question, Rambly, because I think I've cornered you a little bit here.

You know, you come on every Thursday asking this question about women.

So, how do you define that according to you?

And what makes your definition according to you, not transphobic?

Go ahead, Rambly.

Go ahead.

I'm blue.

Yeah, but but you were you're transphobic, correct?

How do you explain to your trans allies?

How you're throwing them under the bus like this.

Go ahead.

I'm not.

I'm not throwing them under the bus.

You are.

It's an anatomy question.

We're all confused.

Just answer.

What about trans otherwise?

Well, your question cannot be answered because, according to your definition of what a woman is, even you could be a woman.

No, I'm a dude because I identify as a dude.

What if you identified as a woman?

I don't because what stops you from it?

I don't have gender dysphoria.

What if you did?

What would you do?

I get surgery for it, but I don't.

I know I don't.

You so you have to get surgery for it to yeah, you you just got completely destroyed, Rambly.

You just got destroyed.

All right, you're transphobic, clearly.

You're trying to you're you're you're a biological essentialist, apparently, because you're you're asking a question.

That about gender identity and tying it to biological anatomy, which is so transphobic, Rambly.

It's like you're J.K.

Rowling.

What a terrible person.

That guy's such a fascist piece of shit.

Wow.

Wow.

Uh Slicker, what's up, man?

And yeah, I'm unbanned.

I'm unbanned, but I don't think I'm gonna be going back, at least in the old way, because um they take fifty percent of your money and they

You know, what what's the point?

Hello, Charm Hole.

Hey, what's up, old friend?

Uh, so I hear you're a really big fan of me now.

Now?

I've always been a big fan of you.

I've always been a bit more.

Well, I check my DMs quite often and you're always telling me to kill myself and all these things.

Some l we do some light trolling here.

I I hope you enjoy the memes.

So, what's going on?

Well, first and foremost, I want to say congratulations on your unbanning of Twitch.

Thanks.

Yeah, it's pretty great.

You'll finally be able to talk to all the nerds like Rambly.

There's going to be a lot more Ramblies soon if you start streaming again.

So, good luck with that.

But, uh,.

Yeah, I just wanted to say a few things, if that's all right, especially concerning the ACP.

First off, I think you've got some bad groups, bad people in your Discord, your general area.

Are these the people anything so happened to you you have gotten into interpersonal, parasocial conflicts with?

Uh well if you just look at the data, right, from Danny Shaw down, there's been quite a few people actually Danny Shaw's not never been I G G.

That guy was always um not an I G G guy.

He came from w uh from uh East to Moore.

Traveling the world

Well, I remember seeing him in Michigan, and I remember like talking to him.

There was no point, yeah, but he wasn't there as IGG, he was brought by people who trusted him, and he, you know, he was in the driveway during that time.

That's when it happened, right?

Yeah.

Well, he seemed to be much more a threat to your organization than I ever have been as a working, as an actual working person.

All right, Charmo, look, we were pissed about it, but we've ever, no one's holding a grudge, right?

It's just that you've sent some really crazy messages to me on X, which are pretty crazy.

So it's just some edgy shit, man, because I'm bored and I'm trying to get your ear, dude.

I just want to get back in because I think I can be helpful.

See, you're laughing, but all right, Charmo, you're not going to be allowed in the party after the shit you said to me, right?

I'm just going to tell you straight up.

It's not happening.

Well, I'm going to tell you straight up that you're the most, you are actually legitimately autistic.

Like, actually, I've seen how you're in this space.

All right, that's fine.

I could be autistic.

But the problem, and I'm going to make this criticism of you.

And if you're truly, truly a candidate for our movement, you will take this to heart and show improvement.

And then we'll talk about it.

But you have a problem of fucking not taking yourself seriously to such a point where you do crazy schizo shit, like go in my DMs and tell me to literally kill myself and call me the N-word.

All right.

I'm not worried about me because I don't care.

I'm worried about how you would react to differences and problems and all these other things.

You have to sort it out and become upstanding and fix yourself.

And everyone gets a chance.

And I'm giving you that chance.

Prove over a long-term period that you can be a normal person.

And if you j if you genuinely want to join this movement.

In your heart of hearts and you're sincere about it, you have to show some improvement.

You have to show you some effort.

I'm not messaging you for like two years.

No, you messaged me last week, dude.

I'm literally going to check my fucking DMs right now because I could have sworn I got a message from you like a fucking week ago.

Let's see what it said.

Yeah, no, I'll look it up too.

I know it's farmhole.

You should share the video.

And it goes, and his speech builds, I think you're a F-word because I'm professional, I can't say that now, and you should kill yourself, use this.

And he's handing me the gun.

So, this is the problem.

It's a funny meme that you should share against people you don't like.

Well, that's just not the type of material to join our movement.

It's just not, we can't have that.

You know, you sent me another slur-laden message with just the it's literally the exodia of slurs.

That you sent right before that.

See, see, you're trying to get a lot of people.

You've combined all of them.

You got the cancel culture thing right now.

You realize that.

Cancel culture.

Listen, dude.

Yes.

In the real world, you can't be talking like that.

All right.

In the real world, I know for a fact you say worse shit to Hinkle and Zirka in real life, and Hinkle said worse.

I know this for a fact.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter what anyone says.

What someone says in private doesn't fucking matter.

What you say in public is an optics disaster.

Well, what I said in public, oh, you mean when I defended ACP?

No, when you fucking DM me shit like that, God knows who else you're focused on.

It's not public retard.

DMs are hard.

For all I know, it can be public because if you're sending it to me, you're probably sending it to everyone in the world.

What?

Who?

What on my Discord of like 50 people?

Charmholt, you need to accept self-criticism.

CNN came up to you and asked and talked to you and you said you forgive Hitler.

Why would that be the first thing to come on your mind?

First off, first off, that's not what I said.

That's what you remember because you want to hate me, but you.

Oh, that's what I was.

That's what it was reported.

You told the fucking journalists that you forgive him.

No, no, no.

Let's clear the air.

Let's clear the air because I was at that event and it was amazing.

And I met some really amazing young men.

And this one dude, I wish I could remember his name.

He told me about this esoteric French mathematician.

I wish I could remember it, but I can't.

I didn't write it down because I was so busy.

But no, let's get the fucking record straight, okay?

I go there and before then, right, you said that you guys were getting documentaried.

You did not say it was CNN.

I didn't know it was CNN until Hinkle is on the stage and he goes, and we have CNN here.

After I had talked to him, my fucking heart sank.

I was like, oh, shit.

I just talked in.

All right, Charmhole, I don't want to fucking sit here and have a trial over your...

I don't care about taller than you.

I don't care.

Listen, I'm not here to have a trial and punish you.

I'm here to give you an example of behavior that you need to reflect on and fix.

My behavior is better than Danny Shaw's or all these other assholes who've been in your shit.

All right.

Charmhole, what did I tell you?

I said, I want to see improvement.

I want to see you seriously take a turn towards something more professional, more serious, and we could talk about it.

I'll go work at the local factory and I'll donate $100.

No, that's not going to DM you for two years.

Yeah, no, because I see that.

Let's start with you not DMing me crazy stuff.

All right.

Orvo, what's it?

It's bro.

They're just jokes.

All right, but you have to learn how to control your joking and you have to learn how to be disciplined.

All right.

And I'm literally giving you a chance to do that.

All right.

And you know what, Jackson probably wouldn't appreciate it.

And Jackson wouldn't even want to give you a chance and I'm giving you one.

Right.

Well, at the IFA, the IFAP, right?

Institute for Free America and Palestine.

Right.

Great, great name, by the way.

That's not the name of it.

It's not the name of the Institute for Free America and Palestine.

It's just IFAPAPAPAPAPF of Palestine.

That's IFAP.

It's not Institute for Free America and Palestine.

It's just Institute for Free America.

It's not in the name.

Oh, okay.

My bad.

Well, so I was the one who tried to warn you because I got freaked out, right?

Because I mentioned Hitler once.

I mentioned Hegel 30 fucking times.

Did that make the CNN cut?

Obviously not, right?

But I got to thank God it didn't.

Yeah, and I warned you.

No, and I warned you in good fucking faith.

I came up to you.

All right, look.

We might have an issue.

All right, you made a mistake.

And you, and what you did was Jackson was in a fucking, he was in an, he was in an honest conversation with other people and you just started yelling, Jackson, Jackson, at the top of your fucking lungs.

You embarrassed me publicly.

You know how hard that is to embarrass Charmhole?

I was getting red in the face.

I was like, oh my God, he's like talking to somebody.

And you're like, Jackson, because it's crazy.

Charmholes.

Charmholm's like, I was trying to.

Think about our perspective.

Even though, even if you made a mistake on accident, we went, did so much planning for that event.

It was so important.

CNN came.

Imagine CNN.

They air you saying you forgive Hitler and that's our movement.

How is that fair to us?

They didn't.

They didn't.

No, thank God they didn't.

But you can imagine why we would.

They edited it.

They edited it so well.

I was praising you the entire time.

I was talking about how great Charmhole was and Hegel and how he turned me to Hegel.

But they edited to make me look like I'm gay for Hinkle.

Charmhole, nobody is here to crucify you.

We just want you to be aware that you need to improve and make an effort and show an effort in good faith.

And then you will be taken with the seriousness you want to be taken with.

All right.

I'll stop calling you Brownoid.

I'll stop saying Nick Fuentes is a better debater than you.

Yeah, you have to say that.

You'll stop saying Zirka is a God king compared to you.

You'll start all that shit.

You have to start being professional and disciplined.

Okay.

I'll start donating to ACP.

No, you don't have to donate your one thing.

No, you don't have to donate even a penny.

You just have to show and clean up your act.

That's it.

Yeah, like Kagelian Eagrel did.

Oh, where's she at?

She was, you know, trying to tell the one cool dude I met, all right, trying to say how he's not even in the party.

I hit on him.

Yeah, we tried.

It doesn't look, listen, dude.

It doesn't even matter, all right?

I told you what I had to tell you.

You got to take a chill pill, got to have some collective discipline or some discipline and professionalism.

And that's I love the work you're doing.

I just, I'm worried it's too liberal.

Okay, that's the, bro, I don't know.

What do you mean?

See, that's the issue.

You know, if you don't like the work we're doing, then I don't know what you want.

I do like the work you're doing.

I'm just worried that more Danny Shaw type shit might happen.

And I'm trying.

I'm trying to be the guy.

Look, I'm trying to be there.

I know how Discord works.

I know how Reddit works.

I know how the internet works.

That guy did not.

You got people and you got people.

It's not just him.

I just keep using him because he's obviously like the top one that really fucked everything.

Well, he tried to, all right.

But you got other guys that are little, that are smaller, like versions of him, right?

Like this little tiny dude who tried to kick me out of the VIP event, right?

Because I didn't spend the extra $40 because it got sold out.

This little fucking brownoids trying to kick me out.

I'm like, dude, I know these guys.

Dude, listen, I literally told you to fucking improve yourself and you're talking about brownoids.

Like, what a disaster.

All right.

You gotta, you have some serious reflection to do.

You have some serious contemplation to do.

You have some serious.

You gotta really think about this shit, all right?

Because literally, right off the bat.

Y you've got this impulsivity, you know, and that's the problem.

There's no one requesting at the moment.

Yeah, I can I can see.

Um

Well, it's a shame.

So many people have so much to say about us.

An awful lot.

Um

Mm-hmm.

There's a Yi Yo pulse.

Alright, go ahead.

Sorry, Hunter.

Um hold on.

Uh Muriel, can you check your message uh in the mod thing?

Uh so they yeah, they're not they didn't say anything.

Um

There's the Marks Midwestern account that's hidden in the listeners.

I invited to speech hidden listeners.

Uh isn't that just Andrew?

Yeah, and they just left actually as I said that.

Yeah.

Okay, I mean

Yeah.

That's that's fine.

I mean, uh

You know, that person's going to be getting some never mind.

Uh anyway.

Uh yeah.

I added C Michael.

Mm-hmm.

Go ahead.

Um I was uh wondering if you're familiar with um

Thomas Massey.

He's like a senator in the United States.

I am.

Um

I don't know.

Do you think there are already like forces sort of inside the United States government that are kind of pushing for um s sort of like Balkanization, I guess?

Like within the United States.

I don't know, but I don't know how he would be uh

Someone doing that.

I mean, I guess there's just like the idea that uh

I don't know, just I mean I I guess what if you're talking about the United States in a a capacity of like a

the, you know, shared like kind of government of like c U S and Canada or like of North America.

Um

Would you sort of uh like rearrange uh kind of thing?

Hey, hey, look, man, I'm so sorry, but this question is just it's just taking a drag on my on my existence.

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm sorry, I can't.

I don't mean to be rude, but it's like I just cannot.

I don't have it in me to to to continue listening to whatever that is, alright?

I'm really sorry.

Ugh.

Yeah.

Well

Uh Jovian tag.

Sure, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Alright, he left, but we have another.

Go ahead Al.

Hey house, how's it going?

Good, how are you?

Good, good.

You're talking earlier about I don't know if that whole Khmer Rouge thing started with Red Operative Lenin or whatever, that account.

Would you summarize what your point was as these people, these, you know, these so-called communists and their reaction to that sort of discussion as being simply an absence of dialectics?

Look, I don't consider this topic to be decisive or important in any immediate sense.

All right.

I just everyone should study history and study the facts without bias and investigate the facts.

And that's really all I have to say.

I think it is really useless to create a vector of polarization around that issue because Vietnam still exists and it's a legitimate socialist country, which we, you know.

And and and the Kimberouge does not exist, you know, so I don't know what to say, you know.

Okay, yeah, that's fair.

I wanted to extend this to, you know, like the last couple of streams you've been talking about Hassan Piker and his support of Bernie and AOC at those rallies.

I feel like what he's missing a dialectical view of Trump's presidency, just seeing it as, you know, something that happens in history sequentially rather than a culmination of it.

All right.

The fundamental hypocrisy of Hassan Piker is that on the one hand, he will respond to anyone that points out that he's tailing Democrats with, listen, we live in the real world.

This is an opportunity and this is a platform to push things more left.

You know, this is the real world.

This is not some insane, you know, pure dogma that, you know, sectarian thing.

And, you know, when you consider overall their significance on the national stage, it's good because of this effect it has objectively.

It's like, well, if you apply that logic consistently, you will find that the effect Trump has is way better than Bernie Sanders and AOC by that logic.

So that's the problem.

By his own logic, there's no reason he shouldn't be supporting Trump, according to his own logic.

And when we have an even more principled position than him and simply said in the MAGA movement, not in Trump's presidency, we're not even trying to pressure Trump's administration or his presidency, just the movement that, you know, vectors of radicalization and discourse have opened up in such a way that makes it possible to communicate communist ideas in a new context.

That's apparently insane.

And suddenly, only then does he want to be ideologically principled and say, no, no, no, that's right-wing.

No, no, no, that's this, that's that.

Well, apply his same purity testing to his fucking Democrat taillism, and he's a hypocrite.

He wants one or the other.

He wants to say, I'm a pragmatist and I'm going to support Bernie and AFC.

If you're a fucking pragmatist, then just be a MAGA communist.

That's the pragmatic thing.

If you want to be a complete pure sectarian, then be that.

But when he's dealing with us MAGA communists, he postures as a principled leftist.

But when he's dealing with pushback and criticism on his support for Bernie and the Democrats, he wants to be a realist who only cares about the objective opportunities opened up by divisions within the hegemony.

So that's the problem with Hassan, you know?

Gotcha.

Yeah.

Um

Okay, yeah.

Only other thing that I have to say is I'd suggest, I mean, not that I'm in a place to suggest, but I listen to Theo Vaughn's podcast, and he's in a prime position for MAGA communism or, you know, what I'm aware, but, you know, reaching him, it's not the easiest thing in the world for us.

We haven't tried, but, you know, it's not a walk in the park.

Yeah, if we had the opportunity, we'd love it.

I think that's absolutely a big audience that you can get after.

So that's all I have to say.

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

See you later, man.

So uh

Yeah.

Alright guys, we're probably gonna wrap the space up because

You know, people are too cowardly to confront.

Uh me, which is not a surprise.

It's actually pretty standard.

Uh we have Spanish Dominican uh King coming up.

That's just Richie.

Uh okay, Richie, uh we're gonna wrap up right now, but if you wanna say some few closing words, that'd be great.

What's going on, Richie, how are you?

And I think he's having trouble connecting.

But there's a another two now.

Uh who okay, who are the other two?

Uh Septicron.

I just added them.

All right, go ahead.

Yes, so uh I have a question about something.

I'm not really uh an opponent, I'm an infrared member, but I do have a question something related to Trotskyism and left wing communism.

And I'm still learning, so I apologize if I'm not well learned on some things.

But if I'm not mistaken, Trotsky was critical of the later Soviet Union because he thought it was too authoritarian, not democratic enough, and other things.

Am I right about that?

Trotsky himself, or what did you say?

So I'm again, I'm still learning, but wasn't Trotsky for different reasons, but wasn't he against the Soviet Union for being too authoritarian under Stalin and later on?

No, no, no.

No.

He was against the Soviet Union because he regarded Stalin as a vulgar populist who basically brought in a bunch of, in Trotsky's mind, lowly unenlightened Russian peasants into the bureaucracy and into reins of power.

And Trotsky wanted this to be gatekept only for the Europhile enlightened intellectuals like himself.

And he wanted to be more authoritarian than Stalin against the peasant majority.

and failed and was outmaneuvered.

And Trotsky basically it was a class war of attempting to maintain the prestige and dictatorship of, you know, um, the petty bourgeois intellectuals against

The uh the the majority of the population, right?

So that was Trotsky's problem.

Okay, so that does change my question a little bit.

Um I know a big problem with uh left wing communism is that uh at least in my understanding is that every it's too, I guess, libertarian in the sense.

It in the sense that

Okay, well I was thinking uh No, I mean the the the the the the Italian uh wing of left communism, so called left communism, they're even proto fascistic in terms of their kind of organicist um totalitarianism that they support.

Okay, well I guess uh the root of the question I want to ask is a big reason for my understanding that uh that some socialist and communist countries aren't as uh so-called politically open or free, uh more regimented, is that because you obviously have to have a a counter revolutionary uh force by the people's government.

Well, if the United States successfully has an American revolution, because I I understand that America is a big player in these counter revolutionaries in other uh socialist countries, if America becomes communist, uh does that mean that more left wing forms of communism can't play out in America?

Or will it still be uh more right leaning or or centralist?

I I'm not I'm kind of confused by the question.

You know, I will say that the the the the the the axis of political differences w among communists are not based on their administrative views, uh they're not based on procedural views.

They're based on fundamental differences with respect to strategy and uh and uh party discipline and so on and so on, but they're not based on different systems because there's only been one system, which is the socialist system overseen by uh the followers of Lenin.

Okay, thank you.

I guess I still have some learning to do.

Uh thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Alright, I think we're gonna wrap up the space.

Uh is who is uh requesting besides Pesto Mime Kayla?

Uh Yi Yo or Jijo Pov Saras Hunter.

Alright bring bring them on and that'll be the last person.

Go ahead.

Alright, we're ending the space.

I mean, there's

That's it, they're not saying anything.

Space is ending.

It's over.

We're gonna wrap it up.

Alright.

Sleeper cell, what's up?

Alright, I think we're gonna wrap up.

We're gonna wrap it up.

Uh I think I had some stuff to talk about or say.

No.

I think I'll see you guys Sunday.

Yeah.

See you guys Sunday.

Uh something really interesting is coming, by the way.

And I think it's gonna be very exciting for you guys, hopefully, this weekend.

But big big things.

Big things.

Stay tuned.

Stay tuned.

Bye-bye.