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guys we're gonna get like hop in right

to the debate stuff tonight

and we're gonna be debating leftists

uh

um um um

top 5 books we should read

all right fine

fine top 5 books you should read

so this is the general audience so i'm

going to assume you don't have an

education level it's gonna assume you're

a random fucking guy okay so i'm not kid

i can't just recommend you the top five

books

but just five books i think you should

fucking read okay give me a second i

want to blow my nose give me a sec okay

it actually hurts to speak because of my

fucking specific problem that i have

the insomnia basically

he didn't know

all right

um

the communist postscript

by boris groice

uh the communist manifesto obviously

just just know that shit right

communist manifesto communist postscript

um michael hudson's fucking book

uh

but the u.s empire

again just for beginners right

for beginners um

yeah super imperialism hit read that one

yeah i'd probably recommend michael

parente

as well

just in general

but black shirts and reds

people's history of ancient rome

that's one of the best ones

um i i can't recommend five people i

can't recommend five books off of you

know i just can't

five books in general for everyone yeah

grow referral cruise shelf live

that's a good one

and then uh and then as to top it off

i'll say um

i will say

you should

yeah let's do that's not for beginners

you know

i would never recommend anything by marx

except the communist manifesto to a

beginner right if you're a beginner you

should not be starting with marx believe

it or not marx is not an easy reader to

understand at all uh nobody understands

marx who claims they do on twitter

uh

you need a very high literary level to

understand marx maybe angles even angles

this is hard to understand right

i only started understanding marx and

engels after i fucking understood hegel

okay so you're not gonna really

understand them

for a long time you're just gonna always

struggle with them

no and exo there is nothing by marx that

is good for beginners except the

communist manifesto

and i that's just the fact there's gonna

be nothing literally nothing by marx

that is gonna be comprehensible to a

beginner except the communist manifesto

mao is not good for beginners either

neither is stalin okay

um

i don't recommend beginning with

communists

uh in general i just don't um

lenin's you have to understand the

context you're just going to confuse

you're not going to fucking get it right

so i would recommend um

i would recommend michael parente more

than

for a beginner right

uh let me think some other shit for

beginners

close awaits on war warlock thank you so

much and no i would not recommend that

for a beginner for beginners i can't

really in good faith recommend you any

books

that were written you know before 1950

that's just the truth if you're a

beginner

listen can i explain something to you

guys if you're a beginner then your

brain is wired in such a way to think

that the current era of world history is

the only era of world history that ever

existed so when i start recommending you

books from other time periods it's going

to confuse your brain because you're

going to try and superimpose the

prejudices of the present

as the context of the past it's going to

completely fucking warp your head it's

going to be so confusing for you right

so i have to like recommend you parenti

and contemporary people because you know

they're from the same world that you are

those other books from other time

periods

are from a completely different world

and you're not gonna understand them as

a beginner you're just not

uh i think i could

i could probably recommend um

how about gg i'll recommend zizek g

looks good

based

yellow party was my starting point i

will recommend slavojija's book called

in defense of lost causes i'll recommend

that one to you

in defense of lost causes or

alternatively if you want

his book living in the end times which

was one of the first uh

she it was the first jesuit book i ever

read was living in the end times so

either living in the end times or in

defense of lost causes give me a second

all right

all right guys all right

all right

all right yo guys all right

guys all right

all right

[Laughter]

how about should i title it like this

i'm going viral tomorrow

if i do that

but um

based

how about this we are city builders by

mopping for the beginner

thank you chris morelock guys should i

title the space this

[Laughter]

abortion doesn't matter

did i do that

no i'll just say abortion doesn't matter

all right

here we go

ladies and gentlemen

today's topic is going to be called

abortion doesn't matter

and you know in case you're curious

about why it doesn't matter uh that

means you're probably a stupid person so

if you're a stupid person who doesn't

understand why this issue doesn't matter

i'm gonna have to hold your hand and

walk you through it for free actually

for free as a matter of fact

but um yeah

yeah this this space is definitely not

going to you know i'm not baiting i'm

not trolling

it actually doesn't matter

at all

it means literally nothing

um it it it

there's nothing anyone can do about it

uh you there is no effect you could have

on reality whatsoever

by phrase-mongering about abortion at

all there's just nothing you could do

about it there's no reason to even talk

about it or mention it whatsoever

unless you're trying to get democrats

elected

there's no reason to pay this any

attention in any mind and if you are

personally someone who needs an abortion

um you know i suggest

uh going to california or you know you

know going on a trip to some liberal

state and doing it and if you can't do

that and you can't leave the country you

know

just probably don't have kids you know

going forward moving forward probably

just don't have kids right so look

you're asking me oh what kind of why

should i look look if they made a law

that said you know beards are not

allowed anymore what do you want me to

do there's nothing i could do about it

uh

i couldn't do anything about it there's

nothing you could do about it either

there's no reason to even speak about it

there's no reason to give it any

attention whatsoever this is not a point

of

agitation that's going to actually

do anything except empower the democrats

i would like one person to come up here

and make the case

for how talking about abortion will do

anything except help the democrats just

explain like why is this issue going to

be of any consequence

except when it comes except the helping

democrats i would just love anybody to

explain that

i would like anyone to explain that

there we go zen shapiro thank you for uh

no you're a pro-lifer so i we're looking

for liberals to explain why it matters

it doesn't matter

so if you're a pro-lifer this is not

going to help okay

we we're gonna need these liberals you

know because i i keep hearing people

talk about abortion abortion this and

abortion that all right well

i haven't been convinced that it matters

thank you defunding oligarchy i

personally as some as as someone who's a

member of the marginalized group

afro-asiatic mediterranean

males

we are going to be affected by roe v

wade being repealed the most this

affects our identities the most and

therefore my voice

matters than almost anyone else when it

comes to this issue

and i'm trying to tell everybody i'm

telling you guys it doesn't matter all

right

this issue specifically affects me an

afro-asiatic mediterranean male

more than anyone

i'm disproportionately going to be

affected by this issue

it's an infringement on my bodily

autonomy more than anyone else

and you say has how does this affect you

how is this effect on your bodily

autonomy

i think personally

that's uh it's transphobic to assume

who has a uterus and who doesn't

so you know what you can't make

assumptions

you can't make assumptions but yeah it

doesn't matter all right all joking

aside this issue does not matter

there's no reason to focus on this

whatsoever there's no reason to pay it

any attention

i can't make a new account but yeah i

mean more or less it does not matter it

doesn't matter at all

i would love anyone to come and explain

how it matters i like walk you through

explain why this issue matters right a

lot of people are marching about this a

lot of people are going on the street

and

a lot of hubbub

is being um

raised about this issue

and a lot of discourse is being created

about this issue

so i'm curious about why why

why does it matter why does anyone care

about this

i mean are people trying to get an

abortion right now

and can't

do people plan on having abortions in

the future that they can't we'll move to

california

if it's worth it for you

to go get arrested in the street with

molotovs and shit like carlos masa is

saying and just move to california just

move

if it's worth it to you to like you know

go to jail over you should probably just

move to a liberal state if this is gonna

affect you right

so other than that like if you have not

if you want an abortion i feel like a

lot of what do you just want a future

abortion or something

all right this person might

explain it to us

hello

hi so i would like to talk about this

all right

so

what when we talk about abortion

there's obviously needs for

medical abortion

and you can understand what that one is

yeah but what can anyone do about it

you can make abortion laws to make them

so that their abortion with the

exception of medical reasons oh

so when you go to the hospital and they

tell you that you have a terminal

illness

you have to go get an abortion

i don't know i understand that but how

do we get those laws passed

well the only way is to argue them

who's gonna pass them for us

we only can go to lawyers for that and

so it's in those states that have total

bans

but i'm saying

you're saying they're going to fight it

in the courts

well it's either

we have abortion clinics that fight for

medical abortions

like at-risk pregnancies like children

that are going to have

complications when they get pregnant

and

for those reasons that children should

be able to

go have those abortions

yeah but how do you make that happen

well it's a lot of arguing

mostly are you sure

well these most of the politicians don't

know how to argue that

well

argue with the who

to

well right now it's mostly republican

politicians but also democrats don't do

anything

yeah you're right so like what can

anyone do about this issue

it's really

it's a mostly we can only argue

mostly what

we can only

argue with the people who think that

total bans are justified

but do you think the arguing makes a

difference at the end of the day

i do why because it changes the dialogue

that's i think that's the problem though

do you think the dialogue has anything

to do with reality though

um

well we wouldn't have learned a lot if

we didn't have a dialogue

yeah but we've been having dialogues for

like many decades

nothing happened

well that's true obviously

it comes down to who has the means to be

able to take it to

the courts

yeah but i don't i mean do you i don't i

don't have enough money for that

yeah but we should still understand that

total bans aren't justified

i mean even if they're not what can we

do about it

we do right we do protest

what will that do

eventually

it has to go to a court

and they're gonna realize that a lot of

pregnancies are gonna be

there's gonna be people in emergency

rooms and they're gonna have to consult

a lawyer for an abortion

and then

when they have to take that to court

they're going to dismiss it obviously

because

they have to dismiss it didn't the

supreme court already rule on it

no they didn't pass anything to make

sure that

medical abortions are justified

all right

i mean like what does that have to do

with us though what can we do

us as marxist

and

anyone who's outside of the big club of

the people running politics what what

relation do we have to it

well

right now it's not

something we can physically do

that's what i'm trying to say like why

is it something to focus on at all why

do we care about it

because it's going to happen to a lot of

people who probably might have

end up in the emergency room and then

they need a medical abortion

yeah but you know there's gonna be like

world there's gonna be like hunger

shortages this is gonna be food

shortages soon there's gonna be hunger

and there's also that too

like no one seems to care about that

well they're all things that we should

care about

yeah but like why is abortion the big

topic and not hunger because i think

that's actually going to happen is

people are going to start going hungry

because i think we don't know the

difference between justified abortion

and unjustified abortion

yeah but like let's say let's say you're

right right and let's say um

you get people around you to agree with

you

is that going to change reality at all

i think so i think when you make

politicians like them and on tv

it changes the conversation but don't

you realize politicians don't care about

anything we say

well yeah that's true they're gonna do

whatever they want and there's nothing

we could do about it

yeah that's true

but i just wanted to make sure that we

knew the difference

yeah i mean but it still doesn't matter

at the end of the day

i mean it's still

something that will cause a lot of death

yeah so will the hunger shortages

it's all the food shortages

and nuclear war

yeah i know that those also

are things that come first

because they affect the most

but they also are important

yeah i just

i don't really think there's anything we

could do about it you know i think

uh yeah here's what i'm saying uh people

who think abortion matters

are just gonna trying to help the

democrats what do you think about that

try and what

they're just trying to help the

democrats

i think

uh like older generations are trying to

do that

what could you do about this except vote

for democrats

isn't that what it all comes down to

um

well i don't i wouldn't say we should do

that

but

it has to be

what we are donating to

yeah but i mean

like why don't we donate for starving

kids in africa

i would rather donate to starving kids

in africa to be honest

uh well children are going to also be

affected by abortion laws

africa

not in africa

yeah there's people starving around the

world i think if we're going to start

raising money for things we may as well

just help the starving

well we can't just

raise money and then send it without

making sure that the people

are not getting it again

are not gonna what

that they're not gonna need it again

like this problem wouldn't happen again

well i mean i i think that at the end of

the day there's just

no reason to be talking about

abortion

there's a lot of reasons though why

it's really

messed up to tell people that you're

just gonna die in the hospital

we're probably just gonna die in nuclear

war soon

no we're not

really kind of looks like it in taiwan

and ukraine

awfully heated

well

a lot of people seem to care

to be able to use nuclear weapons means

it'll be another world war

and if it's not going to be new because

it's going to be uh

you know it's going to be uh hunger and

it's going to be shortages and unrest

civil war

a lot of nasty things i'm just saying

it's an important issue but it's not

ultimately what will affect most people

yeah i'm just saying like all right why

do you think everyone's talking about

abortion isn't it kind of just to get

the democrats elected

again

in this country

maybe but if this whole issue affected a

lot of countries right now

yeah but it doesn't you know it's kind

of like an issue that doesn't matter

matter to who

uh matter to anyone who who's not in

power

it only matters to democrats no one else

that's true because

the boy can always

just go to somewhere else

yeah

it do like there's nothing that can be

done about it there's nothing anyone can

do and at this point talking about it is

just doing campaigning for the democrats

no because we're all talking about how

we don't support the democrats for this

all right let me ask a question why do

you why does dialogue

why what's the point of dialogue about

anything

when like in general because

when we use specific words

like this is affecting the working class

the most

that can be argued

right but like so let's assume that's

true um just because we add the word

working class to it

and what does that add just because we

added that phrase

what what changes

we've already defined the conversation

because you know that anti-abortion

views are most prevalent among the

working class as well right

yeah

so it's like it's not like we're

convincing them

by using that phrase so like who are we

saying that for who is that directed

toward well when i argue

i'm saying that this is affecting

at risk pregnant pregnancy

yeah yeah but

what is the point of saying like who are

we speaking to what is the effect of

speaking about it

speaking to anyone who that would affect

sorry

so to anyone who would have children

yeah what would we be saying to them

that this is not justified

and then what

that

ultimately we shouldn't support

either democrats or republicans

yeah i agree with that but

like

they're just

then then why talk about abortion

because we have to draw the line with

abortion rights and democrats

yeah but like abortion is a democrat

issue the country splits 50 50. it's not

actually

yeah but it's a partisan issue because

the country splits 50 50.

it's partisan because we made it

partisan

it's

yeah but definition it's going to affect

anyone that's at risk

it's gonna yeah but like

it's still a partisan issue and you know

like

if you're a republican and you have a

wife

that has an at-risk pregnancy she can

stay in the emergency room

they don't care they're not gonna give a

shit

okay well it affects them either way

but they still don't care it's just like

healthcare they don't they don't give a

shit

well not caring it's not saying that

it's not right

again

i mean who are you justifying it two and

four like

you know just because you're justifying

stuff doesn't mean you're justifying it

for everyone some people are just

not gonna care and not gonna listen and

it's gonna make no difference

people have made up their minds you're

either pro-life or you're pro-choice and

people are pro-life or pro-choice is

justified abortion or unjustified

abortion

yeah but

because this is a partisan issue people

only think in terms of pro-life and

pro-choice that's it

that's how the conversation goes in this

country that's why so how can you change

that conversation

by defining it like how it would define

it but people people are going to um put

you in a box either way they're gonna

they're gonna define you as pro-life or

pro-choice no matter what at the end of

the day well they're wrong

and they're not still there but if

everybody thinks something

even if they're wrong are they really

wrong

well it depends

so i think at the end of the day

abortion doesn't matter because if you

can't if you just say that you're right

and everyone's wrong by the way how old

are you

i'm 21. okay

um because i'm just saying this is an 18

plus space and we have to make sure

everyone's an adult here

yeah that's fine but i'm right

no

no because

what could possibly be wrong about what

i said because when you're saying i'm

right and everyone else is wrong

i'm not saying they're wrong i said i'm

just saying i would like a point to be

proven

the point proven here is that it doesn't

matter because there's no difference

that can be made

how is there no difference

because

we have no control over the supreme

court we have no control over american

politics we have no dog in the race

between the democrats and the

republicans there's

we're not in power right now at all we

have no power whatsoever

we don't even have our own party we

don't even have our own movement

there's literally no reason to even

speak about this issue

i'm saying it's not the

highest priority

but it's going to affect many people

yeah but

hurricanes affect people tsunamis affect

people earthquakes help affect people we

are just as powerless to prevent those

as we are to prevent

the political machinations of the ruling

class there's nothing that's fine that's

fine you can say that but when it comes

down to when someone asks you about

abortion rights

what is what you would say

uh what would i say about abortion

rights i would say

huh

when you would pass a law about abortion

yeah if i was if i was if i was in power

i would basically um

all liberals would go to alaska and uh

voluntarily bro build the world land

bridge

and you know i would do a lot of things

if i was in power so if we're just

getting hypotheticals like if i get to

decide abortion i should also get to

decide a bunch of other things otherwise

yeah if i if i'm already in power if i'm

already in power that implies a lot of

other things as well that implies a lot

of people are going to jail a lot of

people are building the land bridge a

lot of people are being deported a lot

of suffering will be caused

a lot of um you know um

a lot of neighborhoods are going to be

bulldozed uh in brooklyn and

l.a and stuff

a lot of cities are going to be sent to

the countryside i mean if i'm doing

you know there's so much other that's

going to be entailed huh

yeah but i'm not saying

what you would do in power it's most

it's mostly about but i would have to be

in power for my opinion to matter about

abortion wouldn't it

not really

why

why would i have an opinion about

something that i can't affect in reality

the only way

that

either the republican or democratic

party

has power is if there's money in it

true

so we can use that to our advantage who

do

we well people who are tired of

the two parties

yeah but there's a lot of conservatives

who are also tired of the two parties as

well

who are pro-life that's fine

that's fine but that's not gonna change

what affects them

yeah but they they they see this as a a

red line issue right so if you're

talking about abortion and giving a

position on it they're going to

categorize you as republican or democrat

and you're going to basically be

dividing everybody who's tired of the

system

in a way that helps the democrats and

republicans by talking about the issue

no because many people have been telling

like all these protesters are saying

that they do not support the democrats

that's not what they're saying

yes that matters

we don't support either party who's

saying that

the majority of protesters no they're

not that famous clip of that girl saying

that

she was wearing the green shirt she was

part of baba vakian's rcp

she's not she does not represent

everybody

well we can make it so that it is that

way

we can't because again the only way we

escape the democrats

is by building bridges to pro-lifers and

conservatives

otherwise we're we have no base there's

no it's not like there's a pro-choice

base that already

yeah

because i'm not

i don't believe in dividing the working

class based on identity politics

yeah i agree

but

when you when we speak about abortion

and we were paying this attention and

talking about it and stuff that's that's

just what we're doing

but it's also

what people will

be affected by

yeah but there's no connection like we

can't control what people are going to

be affected by at all we're completely

powerless to do anything about it

all we can do

all we can do is uh build a party

outside the democrats

to prevent all problems people are going

to be affected by a lot of things

outside of our control there's nothing

we can do

that's true

but it doesn't change your stance your

personal stance

um

i don't have a personal stance i don't

think it's possible to

but you do

you can tell the difference

no i don't i think um

in order for me to have a stance i have

to have the power for it to make a

difference if i don't have the power for

it to make a difference

why would i have a stance on something

that makes no difference when you're

standing you're standing instead of

sitting right well i'm sitting

how can i stand right now if i don't

have power

i'm just sitting i'm not i don't have a

stance i have a sat

well that's not realistic for people

who are also have stances

but they don't have stances actually

they're just be doing propaganda for the

democrats for free

they're actually not standing there in a

stroller and joe biden is carrying them

on the stroller not standing at all

i mean i recognize that that this is

mostly used for the democrats

but

it's not a democrat issue

why not

because it's not inherently a party

thing

uh why not

because it's either

it's a justified law or it's not

yeah what does justification have to do

with reality

because if it affects people

unnecessarily

like at risk pregnancies and rape

then it shouldn't exist

okay so

you said it shouldn't exist what does

that have to do with reality

in what terms

like just because you think something

shouldn't exist it has nothing to do

with whether it exists or not

yeah but you can get justice for it

how

that depends on

how the laws are made

but we have no control or power over any

laws that are made so what difference

does it make

that's the thing once if we are saying

that we will eventually have control

we're going to eventually need stances

on things

yeah but

if by the time that we're in control we

would already have to have consolidated

a massive base of support

from people who have a diverse range of

cultural views

so

it's a chicken in the egg issue by

taking a stance on it now we shoot

ourselves in the foot and make it

impossible for us to ever do anything

when we're in power because we make it

impossible for us to

ever have power

that's true it could be

a long

distraction but it's still important

why

because itself is something that you

should be educated on why

because we're eventually going to have

these in law

we're going to what

we're going to keep them in our laws

who's going to keep them in their laws

it depends

not us right

well this is what i mean like in the

future

but that has nothing to do with the

dialogue right now because in the future

by the time we would have power we would

already have succeeded in winning people

over we can't do that if we're taking

we're pretending we're already in power

now

well

it depends

i don't think it depends at all

if you are from a poorer state yeah

if we're from what

from poorer states in the country

what difference

what difference can people make if

they're in a poorer state

well a lot of it came down to

wanting this law because of their

religion or some other reason

but it's also

spread through

arguments

it arguments have nothing to do with

money has everything to do with it

well

i think

it's been it's only been able to happen

in certain states because of the culture

they have

um

okay so you're saying it's their culture

how are you gonna change their culture

well we don't need to we just need the

right arguments

so you think people are set on the

abortion thing because of arguments

yeah i think are you sure

yeah i think though do you think

ideology is based on arguments or is it

based on feelings

i think

it could go both ways

how can you argue with feelings

because some people say it's a religion

and that's feelings

yeah how can you argue with that

well

it's just not supposed to be enough for

that

it's not supposed to do what

in our laws

yeah but this is how people feel so how

do you argue with their feelings

well you have to say that there is a

justification for the law

what kind of justification a

justification based on reason or

feelings

on reason on

not wanting this so how can you fight

feelings with reason how do you do that

you have to argue your points

no one cares they still will feel

they'll still feel what they feel they

don't care

well you have to make them

right or realize

what their laws are gonna do

again they don't care because of the way

that

the way the debate has been structured

for them this is about killing babies or

not killing babies that's how it's

structured to them

well that's true

so you agree it doesn't matter

i think not all republicans think like

that

even if they don't

it's a wedge issue

that's how they vote yeah

yeah but this is

a really

just

needless law

for who what are the relevant issue

right now for

how many deaths will happen for this

what so what does the effect of the law

have to do with our ability to change it

or affect it

just because the law will have a big

effect doesn't mean we can affect it

well we know that we do have times where

we're talking to politicians

politicians don't care about what we say

to them

well

it has to be

something with

i don't know with

a group of people

it's one group

well

this person has to eventually get to

court

so you're saying this will be handled in

court

yeah i think

what happened are you a lawyer

no

i'm saying what will happen is

there's going to be a lot of patients

from emergency rooms

and they're going to take that to court

are they lawyers

no

i'm saying they're going to need a

lawyer when they

have

someone in their life that died from

this

and then they'll have to take it so what

does that do with us

what do you mean

you're saying there's going to be

medical patients that sue

what does that have to do with us

outside who americans

me just me what does that do with me

it's for people in your life

people in my life

yeah who

anybody that's

going to be affected by that

there's no one in my life that's going

to be affected by it

all right well other people even if they

were what could i do about it you want

me to sue

they have to sue

for average pregnancies

all right let them sue i'm not going to

get in their way what does that have to

do with me

i just want to notice that there's

someone called phony and he wants to

talk

who

someone in the chat

what's his name

phony

uh i can't see them on my screen are

they requesting right now

no they just talk too much

where are they

right there in the chat

what's that name

phony

in my youtube chat

no here

they're not who's talking too much

they're not talking

okay well no no what do you what do you

mean like where are they

someone wants to talk

are they requested to talk right now

no the reaction

oh

we'll have them request and i'll bring

them i'll bring a rad lid

this is a rad one go ahead rad lib

explain to us

why abortion matters go ahead

hey what up boz

okay

can you hear me i can hear you

yeah um

i'm listening to you and the other girl

talk and

you sound very nihilist like there's no

point in talking about anything because

no change will ever be enacted

and everything is futile

can you can you uh

go a little further and explain more

uh we can talk about the things that

will rally people to our side

oh what what side is that

communism the real reason abortion

doesn't matter is the fact that states

stopped paying attention to federal law

years ago

i mean his position on abortion

there is or not not the official one

what's your position on it i have one i

have none

you zero you have no thought on the

issue at all right none

i'm not an abort i'm not a doctor or a

uh

abortion

uh but you enjoy having like human

rights though right like no i don't

believe in human rights at all

you don't absolutely not

okay

what sounds like

i mean i don't know what to say there's

no there's no arguing with you then

really i mean you won or immediately you

don't have a position on anything you

don't believe in this i i position on

things

it doesn't sound like it

i mean on the topic right now the one

that we should be having you have no

opinion on who's we i mean

you and the

people

here i'm guessing i don't i'm guessing a

lot of these people here are coming this

they don't really care about this either

right these are yours

why does this concern us

because uh you because you

benefit from human rights granted to you

how

from the united states you have the

right to

free speech second you have right human

right that's the constitutional right

so you don't believe in human rights

exist at all then do you

no

you okay so then what do you what kind

of rights do you believe in do you

believe in the law

okay

um

it sounds like there's nothing to argue

then really

why

because you don't you don't believe

in anything that's going on you don't

have an opinion on the thing that's

happening right now that's what's

happening population what's happening uh

the abortion

discussion

uh what what discussion

the one that you just had right now with

the other person

oh yeah that's over they muted their mic

yeah that discussion

yeah that that discussion ended what

don't have a position on abortion you

don't believe in human rights apparently

so like what's there to argue

uh that whether it matters and i'm

saying it doesn't

okay why doesn't it

uh because it has nothing to do with us

okay to do with communist then right

yeah

okay so then why what's the what's the

point of this discussion that you're

having it says abortion doesn't matter

but you have people want to argue with

you

that you don't care about the issue

you don't care that you that rights are

being revoked i mean

what's so what were you gonna do then if

nobody came to like disagree with you

just circle jerk with your audience or

uh i just want it to be established as a

official canon that it doesn't matter

it's official canon

writing it in the books that it didn't

matter

production does not matter to communist

that's that's what you want no

that's it then

yeah

okay then i mean there we go abortion

doesn't matter to communists i guess i

don't i don't does it matter to you

does it matter to me yeah

uh

potentially yeah i could

why

i have a sister

and

uh she might want to have

or might want to get an abortion i don't

know it's her choice

but i mean people's choices i guess

don't matter to communists

why does that make it matter

what does what make it matter

abortion no no

no it does it doesn't to communist it

doesn't no to you

uh because i have family that could

potentially need an abortion in the

future and they might not be able to get

that and their life might be threatened

by it

what can you do about it

uh well nothing at the moment can't do

shit about it

so why does it matter

because her life might be threatened in

the future

what can you do and that matters

nothing

come on oz you know like what why does

it matter then

are you running away

are you uh trying to distract

no i think you are i don't think you

want to have this or you can't have this

conversation

yes i can

you can't one human rights don't matter

you don't believe in that abortion

doesn't matter to communists nothing you

can do about it full doomer full

nihilism what's going on

no

yeah come on

you were offering people money yesterday

throw me throw me a couple bones you owe

me this was easy

so are you saying it matters

uh matters to people in the u.s yes

paws we already got we already went

through this you're looping

i asked you a question

are you afraid right now

i don't think i don't i think this

conversation's out of your

well you can't have this conversation

why not

because you're a communist you don't

believe in this stuff you don't care

about this stuff

why do you

i already said ha has we're looping

we're going over the same thing come on

yeah i thought you were smarter than

this you were you were posturing

yesterday oh two thousand dollars five

hundred come on what's

not so confident on this one why does it

matter

i already said

no you didn't

it affects people's lives yes

does hunger affect people's lives

yes it does

why is abortion more important than

hunger

uh it's

i i look i don't know how to categorize

those two which one's worse than which

one but

um

the

abortion thing is happening now

so is hunger

but a majority of americans do not feel

that hunger it's a small percentage

house

they will soon

based on what

based on food shortages

where

around the world

so

okay i see now

i get you guys i get it

there are there are other things more

important than abortion is what you're

saying right

it's not important at all

uh hunger hunger's not important

abortion's not important at all

what about hunger

yes it is

what have you done for people that are

hungry

i can't do anything

so it doesn't matter yes it does because

hunger is something that unites everyone

to build a political alternative across

the fake cultural divide everyone can

get on board with trying to have an

alternative to hunger unlike a divisive

issue like abortion

well okay i don't

there's no winning against you then

you're right if we address

let's just say we were to address the

hunger situation tomorrow

and abortion is still on the table well

abortion still wouldn't matter because

now people are thirsty

okay we satiate their thirst now now

people need homes so abortion doesn't

matter if we solve any problem there

wouldn't be an abortion issue because we

wouldn't have politicians that

manipulate the masses to distract from

their crimes

you you really think this abortion talks

a distraction from something

yes

from what

exactly

the crimes of our ruling class which are

trying to inhabit war with china and

russia and get away with their looting

of our country for decades as the

economy collapses and the bubble pops

so war famine drought dizzy all this

stuff ah but abortion let's let's use

that to distract from it that doesn't

seem like a good distraction really but

you're talking about it like it matters

so it is

well no i'm talking about abortion i

don't you're talking about a hunger for

some reason which is irrelevant to the

conversation we're talking about we're

talking about abortion

because that's the topic that we're

discussing how it's in your title

why do you think it matters

i've already explained you're not

listening or you're afraid to answer

so it doesn't matter

it does it matters to to

many females in the in america because

believe it or not why

because we're talking about their

reproductive rights

that's why

what rights

reproductive rights they're the right to

an abortion safe and easy abortion

where are those rights written

in law

no they're not because the supreme court

said they're not and that's the highest

law of the land what well yeah now

they're saying that but before it was so

there are no rules

uh well yeah but i mean the government

can take them and give them on a whim

so where do you get your rights in a

communist world

a law do you have any do you have any

documents to anything like that or it's

just let me say so the quran

the whole uh a holy book then huh

sociology

that's not communism that's a theocracy

same thing

what aren't you the communist uh expert

you're on this doesn't sound yeah this

doesn't sound right yes

why why quran specifically why not uh

any other holy book

the bible too

you don't you don't think that there'd

be any uh conflicting issues there with

no a quran and a bible no

i think uh i think you've deluded

yourself into thinking that

muslims and uh western christians are

going to be happy and friendly with each

other why

uh

do you know anything about like the

modern right right now in america

i think they don't have a problem with

islam

i i think they do i think uh every time

there's a shooting they're hoping it's a

it's a terrorist it's a brown guy

not true

that is true

no

do you think uh

a man in a

traditional uh thing on his head what is

it a burka

you think uh do you think he were to

walk around in the south

with a briefcase he would be a

get well

reception there or you think the the

locals would be nervous because of a

scary muslim

you think they'd accept that

they would accept that

yes

okay

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okay that's what you think that's what

you think

has do you live in a big city right now

no

you live uh where uh you live in america

right i know you're here

are you in any red state

no

yeah i didn't i had a feeling it's

probably most it's a big city i think

right

now

all right well it was fun talking to you

guys i really appreciate it thanks for

having me on

but uh so you lost i'm going nowhere

no no no this is the i know what you do

you uh you troll when you're when you're

cornered

so when the other person gets tired of

the bullshit and then they leave how

does he say oh

they ran away they ran away we've seen

this tactic before us we've seen this

tactic how am i cornered

uh so can i just say something

look at the way look at your voice come

on you're not even taking it seriously

like you're like afraid or something i

don't know what does my voice make a

difference

why are you talking like that

that's how i think

are you ever are you having a stroke you

okay no

i can't leave if i say okay i'm done i'm

i'm done with the conversation i'm gonna

go it that's an automatic loss in your

eyes isn't it and to your fans why

surrender

all right i'm not surrendering i just

the conversation isn't going anywhere so

i wanna why does that doesn't matter yes

or no

why

does it matter yes or no

yes

so can we talk about the title

yes he doesn't want to he doesn't want

to

yes

that's the argument

abortion doesn't matter to communists

human rights don't exist talking about

stuff when you can't change it means

absolutely nothing true

yeah basically dumarism nihilism nothing

matters who cares about anything

but has i've seen you talk about the

russian invasion

you talk about that a lot and you can't

affect it at all but you seem to talk

about that a lot

i can affect people's perceptions

and their distrust in the asteroid

yes

wait but that's what the other speaker

was saying and you're saying it didn't

matter because she can't do anything

about it

she can't

but you're saying you can though by

talking about it which is what she was

doing i can

so only you can affect change but this

other person can't

i couldn't do it if it was about

abortion

how are you affecting the war in ukraine

i can't affect the war but i can affect

people's perception

the establishment

who are already distrustful of it

there are a total of

zero liberals i can affect

but i can affect populace

so you kind of put my point

yes

that arguing does work

no

so

it cannot work no

i've seen you on debates before you're

you're trying to change minds aren't you

unless you're there to like yeah for

clout yes

change minds to convince people of the

immortal science of marxism leninism

uh to build a communist party yes

paws you sound crazy this is crazy talk

my guy come on she's saying we can talk

about abortion change minds

no

you're saying

doesn't matter it's you people's

feelings on the other portion are set

between red and blue

the people who are most fanatical about

abortion are democrats

they are

an unnecessary

demographic for a future working class

party

and should be entirely discarded

meanwhile huge segments of the working

class are pro-life

this bit issue is best avoided

in order to not alienate the working

class

in the name of winning over

liberal parasites in cities who want to

sacrifice babies to moloch

i think that's what this comes down to

it's it's not that

abortion doesn't matter communists don't

care about it is it just part of some

big conspiracy theory is what it really

is no

yeah

no

yeah because she's saying we can talk

about abortion

and we need to enact change to

bring it back but but on the other hand

you're saying you're saying no that

doesn't matter you can't do it but

the communist oh when i talk about it

i'm converting a liberal or

no i'm talking people also right so

i'm talking about something different

i don't know what you're talking about

you're not you're

i don't understand

the abortion issue is qualitatively

different than speaking about the war in

ukraine

yeah

yeah we're talk we're talking about

abortion that's what's that's the

current issue that's going on in the u.s

the current thing

the current thing the current issue the

current happening the current event

whatever you want is it current why is

it current

because it literally just happened to us

this happened a few days ago

people died a few days ago did that

happen

i'm sure somewhere somebody died yeah

but what does that have to do with the

larger picture here we're talking about

abortion

so why does it matter

because if they said

that all males at birth

are going to be castrated and only when

they're 21 will they get their their

testicles back they'll put them back

would you say that's yeah that's cool go

ahead doesn't matter

how would the american people feel about

that

i don't know

i mean

would they be divided 50 50.

maybe the way that women feel right now

how about that the same way they do

nearly 50 of women are pro-life

okay half of the half of men then

so 25 of people

would be yes because against 50

percent okay with it and then the other

25 would be against it where would you

fall on that so 75 percent of people

would be fine with castrating young

males

no only 50 only half

like right now 50 percent of people

would be okay with castrating young

males

yes do you find that realistic

uh

okay maybe not castrate not cutting them

off but uh chemically

uh do you think 50 of people would agree

with that

you lose the ability to produce sperm

until you're 24 or i mean 21 they give

you

you put the majority

would 50 of people be okay with that

50 would be okay 50 wouldn't just like

right now with abortion 50 are okay

are you sure or is that realistic

well yeah i'd say that is

so you really think that 50 of americans

would be okay with chemical castration

at birth why

it's not castration it's not chemical

castration you're just losing the

ability to produce sperm once you're 21

you gain that ability back

what makes you think 50 of people would

be on board with that rather than a

unanimous consensus of rejecting it

uh you know what i don't know

hypothetically what would you say

hypothetical not a real analyze deeply

the nature of this strange society that

wants to do this in order to understand

how people would feel that way

but we would like

i would probably have to understand

the causes of why people believe in that

and how to maneuver it but ultimately

the result would be the same if i could

do nothing about it but i would say that

would be a very strange society that has

nothing to do with the world we live in

you're right it doesn't that's why it's

a hypothetical house and you did not

answer it you're dead

no you didn't hypothetically if 50 of

people were okay with chemically

castrating

males

i would still be just as powerless to do

anything about it but i would still have

to understand the reasons of why people

would be on board with that

okay then it goes but i somehow i

somehow

i somehow doubt you have an appreciation

for the current

thing as you called it if you think that

is comparable and that people are just

arbitrarily rejecting abortion in the

same way that people would demand

chemical castration of males by drawing

that hypothetical equivalence you have

against zero understanding of why people

are pro-life

no i i understand you're just you just

don't want to answer you're

what have i done

what have i not answered around

the hypothetical you're giving a funny

voice because you're you want me to

dance around it

oh he left he ran away he was afraid

come on

bro we know what you're doing we are

making excuses for surrendering

i'm still here you want me to leave so

you can say you won

does abortion matter

it does to people but not to communists

so this whole really doesn't this combo

shouldn't be happening because you don't

care about any of it so

i don't see why you would have the

conversation

why

i that's what i'm wondering guys i don't

like raisins but i don't go on and talk

about them so it doesn't really make

sense so you agree it doesn't matter

well no it does just not to call me why

like any rational people why

we've gone through this house

no we have not

you are dancing around

my question

it matters because there's there is

cause they get no uh pregnancy and

complications they're forced to have a

baby they die i know what can they do

about it

well they could have gotten the abortion

that saved them but now it's not on the

table anymore so now they might die

what can they do about it

what can they they could get an abortion

to save them

so

they will get an abortion and save

themselves therefore it does not matter

well no because they can't get an

abortion because they it's outlawed now

i don't know what

so what can they do about it

they can

fucking die i don't know

like wait do you mean individually like

what can an individual woman do probably

nothing it's outlawed so what can anyone

do

well there's marches you can donate to

the democratic party

what will marches do

wait i need to order my food real quick

talk to the other girl i'm not done

error

opponent

has avoided the question

okay i'm back

okay where do we leave off haas

what can someone do do you mean an

individual

what can marchers do

uh can rally the troops eyes get them to

the pulp pokemon go to the polls and

vote

demon rats

so the democrats will codify roe v wade

into law

uh

they could try we can get more seats

what will democrats do

uh listen more than any communist or

republican will do all right

you're avoiding my question

what's the question roz

what can anyone do about this any

individual no yes absolutely nothing any

individual so why does it matter

anything why does it matter

because uh this doesn't only affect

individual it affects collectives a

group of people may i speak with the

collective

uh no you cannot speak with a collective

they can only vote

how do you address them

how do you address the collective

yes i don't know if you're the president

you could you could speak on national

television and talk to everyone

what are you the president

i am not

why does it matter then

because i i know women in my life has

and what difference can you make

uh i can go vote

what difference will your vote make uh

i don't know we don't have to wait and

see until the ballot's rolling

paz what is the what is the communism

would your vote make any difference at

all

everyone's vote makes a difference i

know

communists don't like to vote are you

sure i mean

are there any barriers to people

receiving your message

that make your

dialogue about this issue futile and a

waste of time

i don't know what you mean by that

is this a wedge issue that has people

split 50 50.

probably not i think more people are in

favor of it so are a couple of

conservatives uh out going crazy about

this you think the majority of people

overwhelmingly

are pro-choice

uh

yeah i'd say so

from what we're seeing now yeah

then why do conservatives

take pro life stances

and get elected

uh i mean probably because they're

constituents

oh wait who's who's running on that

who's running on being

pro-life like a main as a main issue in

any

conservatives

so like like in i don't know small town

alabama a little town there

whoever's running they're running on

being pro pro-life that's not more of

like a national thing like on a national

level

do you think donald trump would have

gone i'd answer that

no no that's what i'm saying well donald

trump was running on a national level

okay not a local level so even if it's

national and not local i don't know why

you're saying that but even if it was

do you think trump would have gotten 80

million

however many votes he got if he was

pro-choice

um

no he probably wouldn't have gotten that

many how many votes did biden get

more than trump did he got won the

popular vote how much how many did he

get

exact number i couldn't tell you i know

it is more than

trump i don't know how much more

thank you

what how much is more

i think uh it was a historic win

actually uh broker records to my boy

bite how much by how much did he win

a lot has i don't know the exact number

i'm sorry i don't know are you sure it

was a lot

yeah i'm positive it was i mean i'll

keep would you be willing to concede the

debate if you're wrong about that

am i willing to concede i'm wrong about

that no i'm not i will prove it to you

in a minute he won uh more numbers more

popular vote seven million votes is that

a lot

uh

yeah i'd say so

five percent more is a lot according to

you

um

yeah why does it why does this any of

this matter though

because i'm pretty sure that election

was split down the middle 50-50 more or

less

no

no it wasn't stolen it was a fair square

that's not what i said i'm pretty sure

it was roughly split down the middle

uh yeah give me a minute i'll fact check

this i don't know what relevance this

really has i don't i'm not here to argue

about

the relevance is the fact

that americans are divided over abortion

you know what maybe they are

maybe they are i don't know what but you

said that it's not split down the middle

and that an overwhelming majority

i no i think

uh the more news comes out how this is

an issue for women and how it puts their

lives according to gallup

who say abortion is morally acceptable

is 47 percent

okay

like i said i think the more uh horror

stories we hear about this

of women dying to not getting access to

abortion i think if the number isn't

flipped now it will be later on so why

does it matter

well it matters because people's lives

are on the line are and there are at

stake

so women

so what can you do about it

uh we can vote

we can vote

what difference will that make

we'll get we'll get the good leaders and

the right leaders

and make them fix this mistake is that

your president

uh you're he's your president too

actually his name is joseph biden we're

writing with biden why couldn't voting

for him prevent this

why couldn't voting for him prevent i

don't know i was i don't know

but he's not the the ideal candidate

anybody wanted so

i mean i i wasn't

banking on biden fixing all the big

issues i knew we were getting

better than drum

so why are you telling people to vote

uh we vote for the appropriate

progressive democrats

do they have the majority on their side

at the moment

then why do they never get elected

wait they have the majority they they

get elected they're just not doing

anything with it

you are saying progressives have the

majority of americans on their side

no no i'm not saying that

so why are you saying to elect

progressives

uh we get uh more progressives in office

it's better for our side

who's our side

the progressive side

but most americans don't agree with

people like you

uh well yeah that's why we talk about it

and we advocate where has that been

getting you for four years

uh we got a lot of progressives in

office we got rokhana we got uh you

think you've done a good job convincing

americans to vote progressive

we got a few of them in already because

you had two chances to get bernie

elected and you failed

what are you doing different now to get

people onto the progressive train

well we won't use

uh you cut out

they're not using uh exclusive language

like capitalists versus socialists

um

things like that things that bernie got

wrong

but republicans and conservatives and

populists still don't give a shit

they still see you as the party of satan

that's yeah that's well i mean they're

dumb as fuck so i don't that doesn't

bother me too much but you need their

votes

i need republican votes

you do need apathetic apolitical

populistic minded voters

votes well no no no you say they're

populistic but

i don't believe that why do people

either direction why do people not vote

why don't they vote because i mean

there's a number of reasons i can't give

you a specific one but one of them would

be

the system does not just it just doesn't

work for them

what is that called in politics when

they don't trust the system

vote

that's why you communists will never be

in power because none of you vote

for anybody

why do people not vote

you know what is useless

communism advocacy communism will get

you absolutely nowhere there are no

candidates

who would even be even brave enough to

run on communism in america

so that's useless

there's no point in that how do you know

because

uh

you all have zero power anywhere

neither do you

we do

we have progressives we have we've

gotten progressive they have zero power

and they have never made so much as

one percent difference in american

politics

is raising abortion funds so i mean

she's doing a lot more than raise funds

for starving children in africa instead

no has we don't know in africa americans

don't live in africa raise funds for the

homeless

uh yeah sure but that's not the issue

right now that you're trying to distract

why not

uh because

that's just not affecting people as much

as abortion is right now i mean how is

abortion affecting more people right now

than homeless people

um i don't know but that's not really

what we're talking you see you keep

trying to distract you're trying to

bring up a whole bunch of issues

to

to to take off from the fact that we're

talking about abortion we can you just

can you just admit that the only reason

you are saying it's an issue is because

it's a form of political capital for the

democratic party to win any midterms

which they need very desperately because

they would otherwise be the most

unpopular party in the history of

america because of inflation and gas

prices can you just admit something as

simple as that sir

no i don't believe in a conspiracy

theorist how is that a conspiracy theory

that they're trying to manufacture

issues so they can win at the ballot why

is abortion the current issue

because that just happened recently

so what many things have happened

recently what makes this the current

issue

can you repeat yourself you cut off

i think women's rights right now are a

big issue because that's half the

population

women don't have a unanimous consensus

what

women are not unanimous

they're not

understand what you're trying to say hus

i'm trying to tell you that the only

reason it's a current issue is to funnel

votes for the democratic party

yeah and i'm saying that's conspiracy

theorist you have no proof of that you

can never provide proof for that

what proof do you need

literally anything cause but you have

nothing you have no way to substantiate

that

substantiate what

that they're only doing this

uh so they could get more votes

okay why are they doing it

it means reproductive rights that's why

they're doing it why didn't they codify

roe v wade into law then

i could not

but that's besides the point overpass

but i thought the reason women's

reproductive rights

it is now it is why is it only now why

wasn't it when they could have

co-divided into law

i don't know how there's a probably a

bunch they probably didn't think this

would ever happen they're probably just

thinking you know what yeah but they

didn't think it was going to happen

because they continually claimed that if

trump was elected it would happen they

continually claimed that if the supreme

court

if that old bitch died and they replaced

her that that's what will happen and

they they continually said this is

exactly what's going to happen

and they had republicans 20 years to

overturn it

you don't think the republicans also

kicked it down the road the candidate

republicans are anti they can get more

votes

republicans are anti-abortion

yes

but you don't think they were also doing

that for votes also

why is that relevant

well because that's what you're saying

the democrats are doing

correct

okay

so what's what's the what's the main

topic of discussion has it's not really

abortion it's more about

abortion doesn't matter abortion doesn't

matter

it's more about the democrats isn't it

the topic is that abortion doesn't

matter

but yeah but it's it's always going to

come back to the democrats i see that

now

make a bad word you will

abortion doesn't matter

it does though no it doesn't

it does

it doesn't matter

coz what if you if you get married and

you have a wife and she wants a baby and

there's complications

tough luck

you're gonna let your wife die fuck what

could i do about it

uh you could have voiced

your concerns it seems you are trying to

say that i am capable of casting my

measly individual vote on the basis of a

broad individual interest i may have in

the future as if the things that will

affect my personal life are directly

correlated with the way in which i cast

ballots at the ballot box but the truth

is there is an abrupt discontinuity

between the things that affect my

personal life even if they are

inherently political in nature and the

way in which i cast my ballot at the

ballot box because my vote is a measly

one vote to the tally whereas the things

that affect my personal life are

qualitative therefore there is no

relationship between the two whatsoever

political things that affect my personal

life cannot possibly be a cause of

justification for why i'm going to

immediately vote because there's an

abrupt discontinuity between the sphere

of collective

political state power and the sphere of

individual personal life when it comes

to political state power a private

individual can merely treat that only as

an external obstacle such as an

environmental disaster or something

otherwise completely out of their hands

because of that abrupt discontinuity

moreover if a decision goes in such a

way that will affect our personal lives

negatively we have to submit to the

state's power all the same anyway

so

in lewin recognizing that discontinuity

you cannot use your own personal life as

a justification for why you

should cast your votes moreover or why

you should convince people as a matter

of fact whenever someone slogan ears or

tries to persuade people to vote in a

certain way because it may affect their

personal life they're not actually

addressing those actual people in their

personal capacity they are rather

signaling in the sphere of our

collective political reality that this

may

this may affect a hypothetical abstract

subject of politics who is nowhere and

know when

moreover this is merely a projection of

a utopian ideal of how society should be

run and how it should treat individuals

rather than how individuals should be

treated in their personal capacity

it's not that deep

women want abortion because they might

need it and if they don't get it they

might die i i know i know what what can

they do about it what can they do about

it what can they do about it

i don't i don't know i don't know but

people don't want that i don't know what

the solution is but i know what the

problem is okay

what can they do about it

i don't know but you don't i mean what

what's your solution all this just shut

shut up and don't ever talk about this

yeah that's basically what you're saying

yes

okay so then

this is this

you're cutting out and get what you get

and that's it if you get a pregnant and

you might die from this uh baby that

society that's fucking up your insides

and all this well you know what fuck you

bitch you're gonna die

that's that's what you're saying why do

i have to

can i can i prevent it

i i don't you you can't even talk about

it apparently on your side there's no

point in talking about it so what can

you do about it why are you claiming

that i'm telling her to fuck you and die

if there's nothing i could even do about

it that implies that i have the power to

prevent it now doesn't it

no

you you can't

okay are you telling children in africa

to fuck off and die of

uh i starvation do anything about it

exactly but you're claiming that i'm

saying fuck you and die to women

i mean that's basic that is what you're

saying so why aren't you saying that to

children in africa

are you are you saying that to starving

children in africa

haas i'm not in africa i do not live in

africa are you saying that united states

citizen i'm focusing on u.s issues are

you saying you're bringing up are you

saying that to americans who can be

struck by lightning tomorrow and die

uh no but i uh

why stuff can be done about that why not

why not why not

don't go out when it's raining

wouldn't that be the equivalent of

saying don't get knocked up

uh no those are different

things why not

why not

what is the difference between someone

dying of an abortion complication and

dying getting struck by lightning what

is the difference

um

well there's

if you get pregnant and there's a

complication no i think the issue is

that you are ascribing moral agency to

an abstract political institution that

is utterly devoid of any human

subjectivity whatsoever and so the

difference

actually is that you pretend that one is

preventable and one is not from a moral

perspective even though morality has

nothing to do with it the state is a

machine it has nothing to do with our

personal choices it has no regard for

our personal morality or our personal

decisions in any capacity whatsoever it

is a sphere in a reality which obeys its

own logic its own rationality and its

own laws completely estranged from any

type of human reality whatsoever and so

the reason you treat being struck by

lightning as qualitatively different

than someone dying of a supposed

political injustice is because you think

that political injustice is preventable

but when you do not agree it is when you

do not account for the popular basis of

state power in the form of the

relationship between information and

discourse and definite popular

subjectivities

that it all may as well not be

preventable whatsoever because you are

not within your capacity or power to

prevent it anyway it is completely

outside of your hands you live in an

illusion of a democracy where you think

your choices matter and you can affect

politics and political decisions are

based on the discourse that you're

participating in it's the biggest con

game of all time it has nothing to do

with your decisions

no because these outcomes are not going

to be are not going to happen in 24

hours that's not how politics work it

won't happen in a trillion years because

there is

they won't happen in a trillion years

because there is an abrupt discontinuity

between the personal decisions and

personal feelings and personal choices

people make and the political realities

that exist

hey you don't know that we could have a

liberal revolution

get a liberal revolution good luck

oh

i mean i don't uh it all comes back to

dumerism nihilism

why at the end why

that's what you're saying it does not

matter what you say it does not matter

what you do this is the reality you live

in and you're gonna you're gonna fucking

have that baby whether you want it or

not

do you find it nihilistic to be

confronted with the fact

that the consequences of your speech and

your discourse

are not premised by the terms of that

discourse

wait can you repeat that

do you find it nihilistic to be

confronted with the fact that the

consequences of your discursive position

cannot be themselves premised by that

discourse

i have no idea what you're saying guys

this is word salad you think i'm i'm

trying you claim that it's nihilism that

you are incapable of affecting reality

with your speech i claim it is nihilism

to pretend like you can affect reality

with your speech

because since your speech is

qualitatively nothing we're able to

affect reality reality would also be

nothing so the fact that our speech the

very fact that our speech cannot

directly affect reality means there is

something in reality not reducible to

our discourse of it therefore you are

the nihilist sir and why talk about any

why talk about anything then

i'm the person who believes in something

you believe in nothing

this is called abortion doesn't matter

how it doesn't more nihilistic things

again come on it doesn't matter

yes it does to people and just because

they can't

just because they can't do anything

about it on the individual level does

not mean they shouldn't care about it

does death matter

uh yes it does what can you do about it

matter what can you do about it

absolutely nothing

why does it matter then

people don't like to die prematurely

people like to live long healthy lives

can they prevent yes can they prevent

dying prematurely

yes you can

so why does it matter

uh because you could you still die

and people still it doesn't you can do

everything in the world to not die

you will eventually

so why would you be worried about that

if there's nothing you can do about

it because i don't want to die early

but if you just said there's nothing you

can do about it what why

yeah when you're like 90 years old and

you're fucking don't you think it's vain

don't you think it's vain to want things

that are completely outside the capacity

of your control

sure but i'm not that doesn't really

bother me though

so you agree it doesn't matter

i'm getting lost again has what

i don't know i don't know what to what

to say this is a

it's a it's a circle it's a circular

conversation i mean you have a dialogue

tree for almost everything i say

i see

i accept your surrender

oh no no no

you want me to leave so you can say you

won it's not going to happen feller

then stop complaining and actually make

an argument

i am i'm saying abortion does matter to

women in america

and it could potentially affect their

lives probably end it

um

honest i've told you

ten times already women need abortions

sometimes not all the time it should be

safe legal and rare yeah it should

and why does what you think should be

matter

why wait why should it be that way

why does it matter what you think should

or shouldn't be

why does it matter what i think

uh i think that it should written i

think it should rain twinkies

what

i think it should rain twinkies

i'm hungry

go to africa

i i don't know what to say

i also don't know what to say it sounds

like you're saying what i said doesn't

matter

why does why does yours matter and not

mine

no things matter to different people

different things matter to different

people okay and right now abortion

matters to women there is no continuity

between people's propensity to care

about a given political there is no

continuity between the people's

density to care about a given political

issue

and whether that issue will directly

affect their personal lives or not there

is no continuity between those two

things whatsoever the reason people care

about political issues is because they

want a virtue signal within the

discourse of economy and leverage it is

a form of social capital with which to

use against their peers it has nothing

to do with the way it affects their

personal lives and that is why

republicans will oftentimes vote against

their own material interests

economically because there's no

continuity between the ways people vote

and what actually affects their personal

lives whatsoever

uh yeah that's more dumerism nihilism

right there no it's not

it is but let me explain to you basic

political theory when people vote can

you stop with the voice though please

can you stop no no when people

when people vote

they're not actually voting for anything

that has to do with them personally

whatsoever they are voting about how

society hypothetically should be run and

that taken as an object of their

consideration

is completely estranged from them in

their own personal capacity there is no

continuity between them whatsoever when

people vote about politics they're

voting about how society should be in

general and for all

not just themselves or not even

primarily themselves and the reason is

because the way in which people are

defined in their particular and private

capacity has to do

with the way in which they relate to the

greater universality of the community to

which they belong individuality is a

myth individuality in any substantive

capacity doesn't actually exist

individuals only draw from

the universality of the community from

which they are derived

and derived their personality by

establishing a particular relationship

to that so when people go to the ballot

box they're not actually voting for

their own particular interests

whatsoever they're voting on the basis

of the universal society

sometimes they are and sometimes they're

not you're right i don't i don't

disagree with this no i don't i don't

know you're right they they vote for how

people how you should be run let me

explain to you something fine sir

if a private individual in our given

society was voting on the basis of

getting more money that would be the

biggest absurdity of all time if an

individual in their private capacity is

concerned with getting more money

they're probably going to look up some

cryptocurrency or nft scam or pyramid

scheme or try to grind and get some

money in their own private capacity

because they recognize political

realities are fundamentally outside of

their control within their private

individual capacity people make do with

the realities readily made before them

and do not perceive them as readily

malleable or pla are possessing the

quality of plasticity with regard to

their personal choices

the personal choices we can make can

only take for granted the laws and

institutions that are in place

there is no continuity between our

personal choices and the institutions

with which

we stop with when within which we

establish ourselves as a universal

community

i

i don't disagree with this i mean then

you can see

actually yeah i do i don't think people

uh people vote based on their own

interests

uh at least working class people do rich

people will vote because they want their

uh

specific tax break or whatever from an

institution they literally won't yes no

they won't

yes

we'll benefit i can show you data

that the wealthy

switched to the democrats

the suburban wealthy switched the

democrats despite the republican party

being the party of lower taxes across

the board

and as a matter of fact

the biggest

constituency who opposed trump's chat

tax cuts was actually the ultra wealthy

and wall street who actually didn't want

the trump tax cuts it was the ordinary

working person who wanted those tax cuts

i'd love to hear this

look it up

trump's tax cuts were not wealthy

historic uh tax cuts for the rich and

we're not particularly we're not we're

not popular among the elites they were

not popular among the elites at all why

why

because

i have they didn't even know what to do

the whole economy has been based on

recycling extra money and they didn't

even know what to do with the money they

had when they were asked in wall street

what are you going to do with this extra

money you're getting nobody knew they

said are you fucking serious

rich people said no no that's too much

money for me i don't want it

yes

yes because currently because the rich

because the revenues of the rich are

very very carefully embedded within uh

loophole schemes and offshore bank

accounts and upsetting that ecosystem

can have

unstable repercussions

so them getting more money in these

offshore accounts would somehow bike

them isn't it

kid i have to explain to you something

about the rich there comes a certain

point where it's not about personal

income or lifestyle there's certain

point where these people are set for

life and their kids are set for 12

generations in the future and that the

question of how much more money that

they're getting based on taxes is not

going to be about their personal

consumption or lifestyle habits at all

but about the stability of their

businesses which is what they're working

for so i'm pretty sure more money would

uh increase

their stability in the markets or

whatever

i'm sure

that's not how it works at all though

so you know you're like running defense

for like the rich people i don't

understand explaining

explaining the objective reality that

wall street was not on board with

trump's tax cuts

yeah but they still would have benefited

regardless if they were not really no

yes you haven't demonstrated how it

would affect them or hurt them in any

substantial way rich people getting rich

more money

i've never heard it i've never heard of

it hurting me i i just explained to you

that

we're not talking about individuals

concerned with getting more money to

personally consume we're talking about

private institutions that have a very

careful

uh relationship with the government that

the radical tax cuts can upset that

ecosystem

because they launder a lot of their

fucking money through offshore bank

accounts and shit

so what's the change if they got more

tax breaks more money for their money to

deal with for more money