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and then another thing uh sorry i should be looking at the camera um another thing

within the next three days

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of next month's event

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responsive so I am going in person to see them back and forth with the venue and they have not been responsive.

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we're going to get it sorted within three days.

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stay tuned after this sorry stay tuned after the interview because i have important announcements I'm good because everyone keeps fucking

DMing me excuse my friends everyone keeps DMing me about CP USA all the guerrillas in CPUSA

want to know what to do.

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Because you guys don't listen.

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this stream.

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going to be doing that after this interview.

So that's really important.

We're also going to be covering the news because it's also possible that the Zionist

entity might actually attack Iran within the time frame of the stream itself. That's a possibility. It's not

guaranteed, but it's a possibility. And we're going to stay tuned talking about that as well.

So this is actually a really important stream.

I'm also going to respond to Hasan Paiqor, not because I'm trying to start drama, but because I think this is worth addressing.

I usually don't address Pan Leftist,

but I actually want to communicate something very clear,

which I think is important, at least. and I have other announcements for the community as well it's

just we don't have time I wanted to stream earlier you guys took too long with the with the mission

which you failed by the way. Good job with that.

But it's okay.

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You get what you put in.

You get what you put in.

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So in two minutes, we're going to be joining Jerry's stream and we're going to be talking about Maga communism.

I did an interview with Rattlesnake TV.

That full podcast is coming up tomorrow.

I already shared a clip of it in the discord. Yada yada. It's been

very busy. Been very busy and hectic. All right? But things are going very smoothly.

Things are going very smoothly. And most most importantly they're going as they should be going that's really what matters at the end of the day that things go according to plan it's just you know this is the thing we're fighting an uphill battle

in contrast to the alt-right and in contrast to pan leftists and in contrast to liberals

Marxism Leninism communism the capital, it's not an established position.

So a lot of people, you know, they get lazy and they don't really take it seriously because, you know, they're not builders.

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You are not gonna be the vanguard of communist excellence. You're gonna be what you put in which is a leech

If that's the attitude people are gonna go in with then fuck you you're going to be what you put in which is a leech if that's the attitude people are

going to go in with then fuck you you're straight up going to be a damn untouchable lowest on the

cast when it comes to the communist movement you're literally going to be like you're going to be

reincarnated as like a fucking worm, you know?

But it is what it is.

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Okay, good morning from China. good evening from the united states and welcome to has al-din for the third and final interview of my series which is about maga communism

now i'm pretty excited today becauseas is the guy who coined the phrase and therefore quite famous globally.

So thank you for agreeing to come on on the show, Has, and many of my followers around the world, but mostly a lot of my followers are Chinese

Dispora. We have this idea that Maga communism is very much like a socialism with Chinese

characteristics. And really what I wanted to do with you was to kind of sit down and talk about where it came

from, what it is, and how it developed.

So can you describe the moment for me that you first realized that there was something going

on?

And then you came up with this theory that MAGA was actually looking for socialism.

Yes. So I think that the important context we need to hit home is the state of the so-called American left for the past few decades since the collapse of the USSR, let's say.

There's this issue of perpetual failure. There's this issue of a perpetual inability to achieve

political successes or even ideological successes, to be honest, among the left.

When I say the left, I don't mean the Democrats. I mean like what would be considered

internationally like a real left. I think we got kind of close with Bernie Sanders, who repopularized the term socialism, but he failed to win the

primary twice. His second performance was even more pathetic. So people like myself started to notice

a pattern. We're kind of trying to engage in self-criticism. Why is it

that left-wing politics in America in the West is failing? What is holding us back? Is it just

that people are too comfortable and they don't see a need for socialist or communist politics, well, maybe that excuse would have sufficed before the 2008 financial crisis, but after that, there's absolutely no excuse. And then we see the rise of the populist right, which is filling the vacuum of where the traditional left wing is supposed to be.

And it's just a kind of baffling situation. What is wrong with the left? Because there has to be

something wrong with the left. I mean, some leftists say that actually the problem is America.

The problem is that Americans are just too privileged,

and they're not interested in incendiary, you know, anti-establishment or counter-hegemonic

politics, which is clearly wrong. You know, I mean, we've seen the rise of that very clearly in the MAGA movement

itself with Trump. So that theory was disproven, and I think in a way that was really humiliating

for the established left. So we came around and, you know, we started to notice, I started to notice myself, colleagues and others.

Well, wait a second.

Why is it that leftists have written off a huge portion of the population that would otherwise be receptive to his messaging?

Why is it that, you know, working class, blue-collar working-class people, rural people,

people the most dissatisfied with the system, why have they been completely written off?

Why does nobody believe that is actually a subject of left-wing politics anymore? Why is it that instead they choose to kind of engage in a self-congratulatory form of politics where they try to organize graduate students and they try to appeal to people who come from

backgrounds similar to themselves i mean marxists understand that the intelligentsia is not the

revolutionary subject although the intelligentsia plays a role, the Marxist one specifically,

we have a duty to go down to the masses, not to congregate amongst ourselves and be comfortable

amongst ourselves. And I started to witness how the excuses they were making for avoiding any kind of contact with what we consider, I mean, the real masses, right, was that these people are too politically incorrect. They're too big at it. They hold problematic views. Superficially, they are obviously hostile to communism.

And I kind of did not find that as a satisfactory response from them.

I said, why is left-wing politics failing?

Why are we writing off so many people when it would be so

easy to win them over if we just were able to sift through and look past the kind of superficial

false consciousness that they currently have and actually not just communicate with them, but also humble ourselves.

A lot of the kind of politically correct, out-of-touch mentalities and ideas that people have been developing in academia or these urban bohemian circles of trendy youth.

I mean, we need to step outside of that and maybe gain a perspective that we ourselves don't have immediately.

And so that original instinct was that original position, which we put forward very early on, really put us, we really started budding heads with the gatekeepers of, you know, radical leftist politics in the United States.

They, and it waged a vicious campaign of defamation,

of character assassination, attempted doxing. I mean, you name it. They did de-platforming,

trying to get us censored and removed. We did not begin with an inflammatory position. We didn't begin with an offensive position. We simply began with a position that they

correctly identified was threatening their status as gatekeepers. We said, okay, enough of this circle jerking, you know, the limited

amount of attention and prestige that you've gained as a leftist, you know, influencer, pales in

comparison to the kind of, to the attention we could be getting and the support we could be getting among

masses of people outside of your small circle who you've written off. So for years, we waged

their really, really harsh struggle against these gatekeepers just to defend what I would imagine would be a

very reasonable position for any outsider. But again, it's a simple dynamic of gatekeepers

trying to prevent their position from being undermined, but when it comes to the principles

they claim to defend, and when it comes to the principles, they're basically justifying

themselves on the basis of, they are betraying that.

They want to hold on to their kind of privileged position at the expense of making socialist or communist politics actually viable in this country.

So that culminated, that bitterness and that hostility we had with them,

culminated in the kind of breaking point where we said, you know what, instead of arguing

with these leftists and just defending ourselves for years, we need to start a new chapter

and move on from it and recognize that the people we need to be talking to is not graduate students and universities. They're not, you know, urban bohemians or, you know, extremely marginal tiny segments of the population, they're actually the blue-collar

working class that forms the bedrock of dissident politics in this country. And we didn't say

that they're automatically communist. We didn't say that they're going to automatically be receptive to our view. But we basically were saying this is a new chapter of communist politics in this country. All the postmodern leftism after the dissolution of the USSR, that all failed. So we need to turn a new page. And communist politics in

America needs to be built, first of all, on a basis of recognizing its past traditions and learning

from those successes, such as the Communist Party's heyday in the 1930s.

It also needs to recognize that it needs to step outside of the leftist bubble and really begin a dialogue with the Maga masses, to the point where the dissident politics, the very vague, ambiguous dissident politics, held by Maga working class people, can be guided in such a way that it discovers a more communistic essence.

Do you think that the word communist is holding you back from a lot of people?

The way I view it, I don't view myself as a communist or a socialist. I live in a communist and quite socialist country,

and I see how this works really well. I mean, I'm a big proponent for the Communist Party of China,

not because they're communist, because it really does work for the people here.

And this is a fact, 90% of people in China, this is a proven fact, have great satisfaction with their government.

But the word communist in America seems to be the thing.

Why is it so vilified?

Well, I think it's vilified for reasons pertaining to the huge apparatus of propaganda, of misinformation,

backed by an actual authority. That's very important. It's backed by an actual power and authority, which is the military industrial complex, which is the federal agencies, which is basically the powers that be in this country, the media, you know, the powers of force in this country, as well as the established

political powers here are all based on anti-communism. I mean, the Cold War attempted to drape anti-communism

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self-ironic way, and so on. So I think that what we're up against is very clear. However, regarding the question of why we continue to

insist on calling ourselves communists, I think it is true that we would probably have more

successes, just repeating and laundering, I guess, the messaging of the established

dissident right, dissident right, I would say, which Maga people are already used to, which is the message

they already trust. And, you know, if we insert ourselves as middlemen disseminating that message,

we could grow a very large platform and become very popular. But the reason we refuse to do that and why we insist upon the term communism is because it is a matter of operational necessity in our view.

And what I mean by that is that communism is not just a specific prescription to remedy society's ills it's also a way of creating a new and different form of political power which is premised upon the basis of an operational distinction between the organized cadres, the party, right, who are class-conscious warriors, and the masses at large, whose education level is obviously going to be much lower. Even in China today, as you know yourself, which is ruled by a communist party,

I believe, and you may correct me if I'm wrong, only 10% of the population is actually part of

the Communist Party. So part of the responsibilities and duties of a Communist Party isn't necessarily to pander to the masses and just tell them and use the exact same language that they're used to just to garner, you know, support from them. It's creating a dialogue between a method, what we call science, and the state of consciousness that the masses are at.

And in building that bridge, in creating that dialogue, the two work upon each other to produce what can be called a communist movement, right?

A movement that is based on class consciousness,

which is based on the application of a specific kind of method and outlook and theory,

and which ultimately seeks to reach the heights of state power to guide the development

of history and guide, as China does, the development of the productive forces.

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change?

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places, they did come from a period of great upheaval.

Do you think America has enough of an upheaval now?

I'm looking at, I see statistics.

I've never been to the United States.

Let's be honest.

I'm quite critical of the United States because they're extremely critical of China, which is a country I've grown to love.

I didn't like it at first.

I have to be honest, there too.

But what I've seen happening in America, you've got a very large drug problem, very large gun problem, very large poverty problem.

You've got employment is not, there's a lot of jobs. People have jobs, but many people have to do two or three jobs in order to survive. So it looks to me like the country is ready for a major change. Do you think America is going through enough of a change yet to make that happen?

Absolutely. I think that the deep systemic dysfunction the United States is facing is simply irreparable within the

confines of the existing system. And even to the extent that Americans are comfortable, and let's not

kid ourselves, Americans live better than the average person in a developing country. There's no doubt about that. But even to the

extent that they do, this is based off of the veneer of a system, which is irreparably dysfunctional,

which simply cannot continue working. And we can look at this in the form of credit card debt.

We can look this in terms of U.S. national debt.

It's simply unsustainable.

The financial architecture that is at the foundation of this country and a sense of normalcy that, you know, pacifies the masses, I suppose.

The cracks have beginning, started to show after 2008 for a long time.

Trump rode a wave of discontent precisely off of this kind of inability to disguise it anymore.

And now, the extent of the political polarization, and this is the most important thing, has become so severe, it's become so acute that it's even beginning to penetrate and overwhelm the

traditional kind of systems of governance and state legitimacy that used to be off limits such as the

judiciary right judicial independence seems to be gone now.

There's obviously the legislature and the executive branch have always been the case, but most importantly, I think this time around is that also the security establishment, the CIA and the FBI have become politicized, seemingly against Trump, against the MAGA movement.

So the polarization has cut through every institution of political power in this country.

I do not see how that can be repaired without, and even then I don't know if it's possible.

And I think this is what the ruling classes in the United States are banking on.

Other U.S. engaging in a war, full-scale mobilization against another country, which they may hope will reunify the country.

But, I mean, as we know, this year is an election year.

And I no longer believe that another civil war or otherwise breakdown of political authority in the United States is a science fiction scenario. For many communities,

I think it's already the case. For many communities in cities, there are no-go zones for the police,

right? Police simply cannot go in certain neighborhoods in certain blocks you look at chicago you look at

detroit and for a long time people thought this was just an issue of some marginal communities and

poverty but it's starting to also become clear that the forces of the security establishment are having a hard time exerting control.

I mean, the FBI is overwhelmed dealing with the MAGA movement and the militia movement and

Q&N and so on and so on.

And I think, you know, what we are going,

what we should expect for the future of the United States is probably something like,

I don't know if we can even mention it on YouTube,

a certain date that happened in January 2021.

I'm not monetized.

I won't be monetized.

So go ahead.

January 6th, but magnified on a scale that we probably would consider science fiction,

just unimaginable.

Now, I'm not saying this optimistically. I'm not saying

that there's going to automatically be some

like communist revolution.

If anything, there's going to be a breakdown of

law and order and chaos.

It'll be like the Wild West.

But as you said said contexts like these historically have

been the ones in which communists really defined our lasting relationship to history and i think

although it's kind of difficult for us to admit, I think us coming from the MAGA

communist camp, I mean, that is really what we are expecting on the horizon.

We don't think that we're going to somehow, you know, establish

communism as a movement in this

country, on the basis

of things continuing, we're really

kind of preparing for the scenario

I just described, and that's

really going to be the test of this, I

think. Do you think it's possible has that as a movement

the maga communist movement could you kind of set up uh local chapters local leadership leadership, local support,

and eventually build that up and avoid a potential revolution

just by purely building up through the democratic process

and then getting yourselves elected to a point where,

I mean, you'll know George Galloway in the UK, I'm fairly sure.

So he's just done this and he's got a huge support base

and there's an election looming in the UK.

It's quite possible that we might not necessarily see a change in the

two-party system, but certainly a third party coming in as a real contender for future elections.

Is that possible through Bagger?

It's our goal.

We are not, our goal is not to kind of engage in some kind of crazy adventurism.

Our goal is to establish a real form of organization that build legitimacy, yes, by participating in the political process that we're able to, right? And so the process of forming chapters has already begun informally, actually. And that is going to be part part of an official organization probably this as early as this

summer so yeah i mean we we do believe in fielding candidates we do believe in participating in

the political process we do believe in actually building political power and building legitimacy through

the regular channels of uh of of sovereignty that are available to us but we're just also mindful

in the back of our heads that the event of the breakdown of the political system and law and order, that's also a possibility. And we also see fit to also take that into consideration and create a form of organization that could potentially survive

and weather that kind of situation. So I definitely reject any kind of like anarchistic view,

which just, you know, or some crazy nut job view of just like, oh, we're just going to prep for the

apocalypse and wait in a bunker or something.

We...

I'm happy to hear that.

Yeah.

Is it impossible that there's a 70 or even 80 year old law

preventing people from being members of the Communist Party,

which has never been cut out of your legislation, still exists.

Is it possible that organizations like the FBI and your homeland securities would invoke that kind of a law and prevent you?

I know it would cause massive court cases with First

Amendments and things. Yes, definitely. If communism as a movement ever gained traction in this

country, even minimally, to a small minimal extent, that would be what we would expect.

However, I will say that in the court cases in which this was fought by the CPUSA in the past,

I believe they actually were able to prevail in the courts.

But as we know, the FBI and the kind of these federal laws, I mean, the persecution itself devastated the CPUSA. Even they were able to fight it in court, the damage had already been done.

Yeah. So, I mean, that's what we expect. We expect a suspension of civil liberties and so-called democratic rights.

And again, this is, you know, I mean, going back to Lenin, who is pioneering the party form that communist parties take for granted.

The goal is to prepare for both scenarios.

I mean, operate out in the open as much as you can.

And as for the other alternative, I mean,

have an operational and organizational structure that can endure that, if you catch what I mean.

I mean, just to be able to survive and continue organizing and spreading the message and so on and so forth,

whether that's through regular or irregular channels of communication.

But I definitely, I mean, put it this way.

Already the CPUSA is compromised by the FBI.

I mean, we're almost 100% certain of that.

And our

initiative to restore and revive

the CPUSA

is what immediately triggered

a wave of character assassination,

smearing, I mean, you name it,

you know, calling us fascists, whatever.

On social media, as soon as we tripped over that pressure plate, you know, that, it's like a trap, like a booby trap or something,

as soon as we walked over that, mentioning the CPUSA, very mysteriously, it's like the bots were activated and it was our reputation was severely damaged among many people who would otherwise on the left side of things be receptive to our message.

Is this what you think happened to people like, for example, we've got the AOC, Bernie Sanders,

these people seem to come into politics with leftist ideas and then seem to kind of fade into the norm i've got fernando munoz

bernel who's a good friend of mine you think how many identified with with aOC or Bernie.

How many of these people come with the ideal that socialism is a good thing?

And then they find themselves in the Senate or the Congress or wherever they are in positions of some authority and find it's just impossible to promote anymore.

What happened?

I mean, it's a combination of factors. We think the most outstanding one is the working in the Democratic Party itself means a lack of political independence in the first place.

Second of all, there's much to be said about the character of Bernie Sanders and AOC.

I mean, to put it mildly, I guess, in the most polite possible terms, they simply don't have backbones. These are simply people of low principle, low character, low honor. And yes, Bernie Sanders decided that Trump was more of a threat than the necessity of an alternative form of politics in the form of socialism or something

else. So he just totally sold out to Biden. As for AOC, I mean, she, she is just a kind of

celebrity, I guess,

who really let the

fame go to her head

had no accountability by the grassroots

either. And, you know, she was very easily

bribed. It's pretty clear. That's what

happened. I mean, Nancyosi and all these kinds of people

came to her the media gave her such a glamorous coverage and kind of propelled her into stardom they

really turned her into a kind of icon and you, you know, she let it all go to her head.

And what is measly principled, socialistic, or progressive politics in the face of all of that?

I mean, you know. It's hard to compete with.

Jason just asked a great question, which I've been asked because you're the third of my series of three.

Is it possible?

I mean, does MAGA communismCommunism need Donald Trump?

Or do you think

Donald Trump might need

mega-communism?

Definitely the latter,

but to be honest,

definitely the latter

as opposed to the former

if I have to choose.

But to be honest, it's not so much about Trump. It's not even so

much about MAGA as a kind of end state of politics. It's about recognizing that it is formed an integral

and irreversible part and chapter of the history of working class resistance in this country, however imperfect, however guided by false consciousness, it's just irreversible.

If you don't acknowledge among the working classes the impact of maga on sewing and creating

this unprecedented distrust and established institutions especially the media that's a very important one

um there is no way to communicate with the working class in this country at all. At the very least, you need to recognize that this has been a chapter and experience of their history that we cannot just pretend didn't happen and say, oh, that was a big mistake. It was totally meaningless. Let's just do this instead. So Maga communism is really about basically conceding the transformative significance of maga to american

politics and saying yes maga did succeed in doing this there's no going back but where do we go from

here and that's where the communism stuff

comes into play.

It's where we go from here.

And where we go from here, in our view,

is American communism as a form of politics

and as a movement.

Yeah. Was there a moment where you said to yourself hang on a second this these all these followers of trump who are wearing the mega caps and and the

mega t-shirts was there a moment you said, hang on a second,

they want the same things we want?

What caused that to happen?

Because it's the most unexpected thing to find a leader of a small but significant communist movement

looking at this huge group of 70, 80 million people and saying,

wow, we actually want the same thing. That manifests itself. That was very early on. I mean,

for me, that was as early probably as 2019,

but it took the form of a strategy

I thought, okay, Bernie Sanders needs to

understand. The people

he needs to win are those people

that he lost in 2016

because of his political,

his lack of a political back one.

So I was still hopeful that Bernie Sanders could kind of take a lot of that energy,

you know, those Mago red hat wearing people, was like, okay, you know, Trump was here for four years.

He didn't, he rescinded on his promises.

This is an easy win.

You know, Bernie just has to kind of speak to these people and we can get rid of the MAGA stuff and whatever.

But yeah, obviously those people want the same things as us.

And it was just a calamitous failure on his part.

And what outraged us and me personally was that so-called leftists didn't learn the lesson.

They didn't learn why that was a failure.

They continued doubling down and insisting about how they were right and everyone else was wrong and that the reason why Bernie didn't win is because not everyone is as smart as they are.

And that it's just kind of like it just kind of like

reinforce their sense of conceit

and I'm like

what on what basis

do you have that conceit? You have

no success or real world significance

to show for it. It was just

outrageous and Maga communism significance to show for it. It was just outrageous.

And Maga

communism really was a realization

that

the strategy that I

was hoping for for Bernie

in 2020 or 2019

that was never possible because it underestimated how much

MAGA has irreversibly created a polarization in this country.

There's just no going back from.

The way in which people have lost confidence in the media

is, there's no going back to that. And I think most leftists or self-proclaimed socialists in America

begin from a perspective of taking for granted the established institutions and talking down to MAGA people from the perspective of the media and academia and universities and basically tying them, yeah, I'm, you know, socialism is true and look at,

look at this expertise I'm going to use as a source of credibility. And they don't realize that

is completely, I mean, out the window. There's, there's no way for communism.

And, you know, one last thing, I don't mean to ramble, but it's like... That's okay. Keep going.

And an important detail here is it's an irony is the same ways in which establishment liberals dismiss MAGA people and oh that's fake news that's misinformation

you're just not as educated you know you're illegitimate they use the same talking

points against socialists and they used it against Bernie too and communists. They also had the same

thing. Oh, you know, socialism clearly doesn't work. Communism clearly doesn't work. Marxism is

false. It's completely wrong. You know, you're out of touch with reality. The experts don't agree

with you. Our expertise shows that, you know you're out of touch with reality the experts don't agree with you our expertise

shows that you know what you're pushing for is totally not in reality etc etc so i mean that

that should have been the biggest hint that one of the most fundamental factors in politics, if not the most fundamental factor today, is just like media.

I mean, you're putting a message out there.

What are the forces standing in the way of that message being amplified with respect or authority in a way that people could rally to? I mean, who stands in the way of that? Of course, it's the... Maga's problem was the same exact problem that left-wing people in the United States had. It was the same exact one. But they continued to beg and plead before these liberals to basically say, no, no, no, please, socialism is legitimate. Communism is legitimate, you know know it is totally in line with uh the expert

knowledge in the universities and in the media and they continue playing this game of just

trying to be credible within institutions and failing instead of trying to be credible among the masses, where they have a much higher chance of success.

I'm sure you're aware of this. I live in China. I know what China looks like, And I don't know if you've ever been here, but

China is a great example of how socialism is successful, can be successful. It's a massive country.

There are one and a half billion, almost one and a half billion people, and their poverty level has been eradicated.

There is no abject poverty, but that means there's still probably half a billion poor people in China.

But it's only, if you think about the country, it's only 50 years old.

So effectively, one and a half billion people

in 50 years have been lifted

to a point where there is no poverty, it doesn't

exist, there is no homelessness,

that doesn't exist. Crime is

street crime, almost

non-existent. I can't remember the last one. I had my phone stolen in Guangzhou last year, two years ago. And my phone was stolen because I left it in a toilet. So someone, some opportunistic guy picked it up and said, oh, I found a new phone, put it in his pocket and walked away. That's the extent of theft as it's occurred to me in the last 10 years. Before that, I was robbed once, but it was 2004. I mean, basically, we've got a country here which is really, really working.

I can walk out.

In fact, I'm comfortable with my wife walking out at night and saying,

I'll be back at one o'clock in the morning.

And I know she'll be back at one o'clock in the morning safe,

even if she walked home. No problem

whatsoever. That's China right now. Yet, at the same time, there are two pieces of legislation in the

United States that have built in, one of them is $500 million and the other is $250 million in order to produce

negative reports about this country. So that's what you're up against. How does your movement

compete with literally, we're talking literally almost a billion dollars in negative publicity.

They're not interested in just bad news.

They're interested in how can we make this look even worse.

So, yeah, we have some bad news in China, but every single thing.

And you've seen the headlines.

The famous one is, you know, China cures cancer, but are they moving too quickly?

China has 5% growth, but is it too fast?

China is exporting to the underdeveloped world, but watch out for the backlash.

This is all because of this money.

And then academia can apply for this money, and they can actually study us

in China and say

China that may look good but

here's the real problem and the

we've been watching the collapse

of China for at least

40 years. 1990 was the first

time of 34 years ago. 1990 was the first time of 34 years ago,

1990 was the first time I saw a headline that says China is about to collapse,

and it was in the economist, and it hasn't changed since.

Even yesterday, the announcement was made,

China's growth is better than expected, but is it real?

You know, this is what America has done to China.

How can you overcome that?

Yeah, I mean, it's a great question.

And to go back to MAGA, whether you agree with the content of its

ideology, I don't. Maga believes in a lot of nonsense, especially about China. But that's not the

point. The point is, we think that there's an added significance of Marxist analysis when it comes to media theory.

How do you build a counter-hegemonic media?

We can't compete with their funding and with their money.

Well, what's a good example of a movement that has been able to compete with the media and sustain messaging and a form of consciousness at odds with it?

It's precisely and exclusively Maga in the American continent.

That is one of the most fundamental reasons for Maga communism,

is just our ability to appreciate how they were able to resist the media, right? And all of the

billions of dollars behind it. So why is that, though? And I think that's where Marxism comes in. The reason for it is because

those billions of dollars that are used by the media to spread fake news, whether it's domestically

or abroad, there's a few things, but that comes from the power and the hegemony, as Gromsky would put it,

of the ruling class, of the capitalist class.

Now, Trump was a member of that class or is a member of that class personally, but it's not who he represents, right?

He's not representing people that come from a background similar to him.

He is just a kind of symbol of millions and millions of masses of ordinary people outside of the hegemony mainly blue-collar working class people aggregating in small numbers their money their attention that's most important thing, because social media was the game changer, to actually compete with the hegemony. And they did so on the back of mass, the power in numbers as masses. And it's kind of a tell-tale strategy of working class politics since forever is, okay, they have all the money and resources, but what do we have? We have the numbers. And social media has allowed the working class to use its

numbers to its advantage. Whether the messaging it's putting out or it's cultivating or whether that

the content of the media alternative media ecosystem is um is perfect or as adequate is a different

question but it is different from what the media the establishment media is saying and then you know

we think there's an added significance of communism too in terms of understanding the structures at play

because before there's domestic fake news the first machine for the propagation of fake news

was targeted to foreign adversaries beginning beginning with the Cold War.

This is what the CIA, I mean, the CIA and the kind of, let's, Mago calls the deep state, I think, correctly.

One of its primary purposes was information dominance over the USSR in spreading fake news about socialist countries and

adversaries of the U.S. in general to build consensus for invasions, for aggressive military posture,

for the military industrial complex, and so on. The lies that are being told about China today, they're nothing new. The U.S. has always been telling lies

about China, even before the reform and opening up, the ingenuity of the imperialist system actually, was somehow its ability to keep up the demonization of China after it had, after the Mao era, where it had embraced, you know, an open economy that is modernized, advanced, dynamic, not dogmatic, or ideologically rigid in any kind of way, led by a leadership, though principled, which is pragmatic and kind of flexible, the fact we've been able to maintain this image of China in the U.S.

As this totalitarian nightmare is testament to the dynamism and efficacy of the he the hegemony the information hegemony but maga has shown a way to challenge that from within i think

and square one is is being able to harness and learn from that.

And I think at this level, that's why I've observed, and you can correct me if I'm wrong,

it seems like there's a kind of almost strange form of informal solidarity that adversaries of the U.S. have with the symbol of Trump and Magh. I went to Russia

recently, for example, in Moscow, and everyone I talked to is like, yeah, Trump, we hope he wins next time.

And I have friends on Chinese social media who tell me that both ironically, semi-ironically, and with a slight degree of seriousness, Chinese netizens do prefer Trump.

They do prefer him because he called out the fake news media. I mean,

regardless of his problematic views, it's a very kind of important dynamic, I think, they recognize.

There's a couple of factors there. I have a lot of Chinese friends, of course, I think they recognize. There's a couple of factors there.

I have a lot of Chinese friends, of course.

I've lived here many, many years. There's a couple of factors.

One is most

Chinese people feel,

and this is a Confucianism

thing. They feel that

Biden is being abused. He's an elder and he shouldn't be doing

what he's doing. They will treat like when Kissinger came across here, he's widely respected.

And the interesting thing about Kissinger, for all of the evils that America

perpetuated during his era,

he never harmed China.

And I'm not saying what he did

was for the benefit of China.

He did it for the benefit of America.

But China never got harmed by it. Perhaps the worst thing that happened was the 1979 raid,

raiding party invasion of Vietnam, and that was during that Kissinger's era, but it's actually just after Kissinger left his post.

So there's a lot of things going on there

about Biden. But the other thing, the other thing

is everybody here recognizes

that Trump didn't start

a war. He didn't stop any wars, but he didn't

start any wars, and they like that.

They feel that he doesn't like China because

he immediately slapped tariffs on, but he said he was going to slap 100% and he slapped 25%

tariffs on it on Chinese causal. It was a lot less than

a lot of political rhetoric comes out

and then the reality is,

what do we do?

So Trump is more popular here,

in my opinion,

and I've never researched this,

but just the people I speak to,

because he's more interesting and he is less dangerous

and also he's not as old.

So if you're given a choice between these two,

the older person ought to be at home being looked after,

the younger person is a lot

more interesting than the older person.

So that's kind of what it is.

There's no, I've never seen

anyone, there's no movement,

there's no informal or formal movement to say

we would prefer Trump or we prefer Biden.

Chinese people simply don't care.

It won't make much difference. I don't think it will make much difference, whichever one is in power.

But I think most people agree that if Trump is in power, then the world is a slightly more stable place. The Chinese-American relationship isn't going to get much better, but the world is more stable with Trump, I think.

Yeah, I mean, and I myself don't harbor illusions about Trump. As a matter of fact, I'm, I have, I have an eye open because I think there's also a possibility that he may be someone that the ruling class is just going to allow to win. In return, he's going to build consensus for a major war that he'll say,

I didn't choose this war, but we have to fight it now.

I mean, there's many possibilities there.

But for us, Maga and Trump are not exactly the same exact thing.

One is just this kind of alternative media ecosystem.

And the other is an unpredictable person whose loyalties are absolutely not clear to anyone.

In the best case scenario, he is just a kind of silly egotist who just cares about himself in the worst case scenario he is doing the bidding of other forces so

but but in either case the task of communists is to appreciate why it is that masses of people in this country have channeled their discontent in the direction of Maga and what that means for them.

And an ability to form the minimum of solidarity.

And it's almost as simple as, I mean, I don't drink myself, but it's like share a beer with a MAGA person.

And, you know, let's toast to the fact that the fake news media is lying to us about Ukraine.

They're lying to us about everything.

I mean, there's a minimum kind of dimension and plain

of solidarity that's there which is an important i think is an important context for dialogue

i don't see that among um the demographic that is hardcore Democrat, especially not now. I think those

people have become increasingly dogmatic and kind of even rabid in many ways, very aggressively

hostile. I I mean I visited

Amago rally a few years ago

everyone was very calm and just

seemed like a lot of normal people

just just a very chill atmosphere

so to speak

and then there were these liberal protesters on the outskirts, like on the fences, and they were like screaming and they were just losing their minds.

And I just thought I was like, well, that's an interesting dynamic because you would think I thought it was the opposite.

I thought that the liberals are the kind of easygoing late night with Jimmy Fallon or whatever,

and they're just kind of joking and relaxed, and it's the MAGA people who are angry and tense.

But what I saw with my own eyes was the exact opposite of that. And I think there's a

dangerous significance to that anger, profound anger, which many liberals have, because it's an anger

based not in discontent resentment with the system, but one that's based in a kind of desire for revenge against the perceived class humiliation that Maga people inflicted upon them. Many of these people are from respectable professions

and are part of reputable, quote unquote, institutions.

Many of them are people like the ones creating this fake news about China and so on.

But they have a lot of prestige.

They have a lot of kind of clout and currency

in the institutions that they're in.

And when some redneck maga guy

who's chewing tobacco in his pickup truck

comes and says, no, you're an idiot

and you're wrong and I'm right.

They find that very humiliating. They find that

outrageous and it's like

they want revenge against this kind

of movement which seems

to have denigrated their standing

among the masses.

So as your movement consolidates, which I'm quite certain it will, because you've got the ideals for a socialist society.

So as your movement consolidates

and as it grows,

obviously Trump is not the

if there was a

let's say you've got Republicans, Democrats

and Maga communists or whatever

name you call yourself as you become

a powerful force.

Trump is not the leader of this.

What kind of characteristics would your president have?

Am I talking to a future president of the United States,

the leader of the Maga-Communism movement? Because if I am, I'll put a note in my diary and States, the leader of the mega-communism movement.

Because if I am, I'll put a note in my diary and say, I talk to him before he was famous.

No, I don't have any kind of such ambitions.

And, you know, I know that this is a country, which is multicultural, but there is an added significance to the fact that I, although I was born here, I do culturally come from a slightly different background than most Americans are used to or familiar with.

So for me, I think the significance I like to have is a kind of theorist.

And that's why I kind of regard myself as the theorist of the Maga movement.

And as far as a future president that we'd like to look for, I think what we would like is someone who is American, but similar to Xi Jinping in their excellency, in their professionalism, and their cool-headedness, and their lofty and and wide outlook sweeping outlook with vast historical knowledge and wisdom and traits that typically are looked for in kind of quintessential communist leaders.

And I think, you know, that leader will show themselves in good time as far as it's going to be up to the American people, obviously, to choose who their leader is going to be. I think my colleague, Jackson Hinkle, I am extremely impressed, especially as how young he is, with how much he's been able to do, his work ethic, his attitude, his mentality, always this kind of positive mentality, regardless of hardship, this relentless work ethic. I've never seen anything like it.

And this kind of ability to learn and understand things very quickly and act intuitively very well. I think he has great leadership traits. And to be honest, I would like to see

Jackson as a U.S. president one day, if the Office of Presidency was still around, that is.

The difference between an American president and a chinese president

is very much how they get there you you donald trump had absolutely no public surface

experience and became a president he's not the first to do that.

Ronald Reagan was a, yeah, he was a governor and he had some administrative experience,

but a former movie star. So you have some popularity as well.

Xi Jinping came through. I mean, we talk about him coming through the ranks and starting as digging trenches and stuff. He was never really that. And I mean, let's be realistic about this.

He did get pushed into poverty because of his father's position.

His father was purged during the cultural revolutions.

He literally did go out to the fields to be a worker.

This is a very common thing.

And he came out of that a stronger person.

And then he gave up.

This is his most interesting thing.

He had a plum job in Zhang Nanhai, in the government building.

He was an advisor to a very, very senior vice premier. And he gave it up. And he went back to the

grassroots to become an administrative worker inside of a local government and then built up from there.

So eventually he became a provincial party leader, a provincial governor, and then

a polyp bureau member and then president.

So what we've got in China, you can't get to be that position unless you have that grassroots experience.

And he must have known that.

I wonder if he was ambitious at that time and thought one day I will be the president of China.

Maybe he just thought one day I'll be in the Politburo or something because his boss was.

And it's something that is missing in American politics.

How do you get somebody who has served on the local council, maybe served as a mayor,

maybe served as a governor before they can become.

Is that a possibility that could happen under MAGA?

Or under MAGA, communist.

It's not possible to happen under our current constitution

and political system in general.

You know, China, one of the great things about it is it's mastered, I think, and I don't want to be too flattering, but this is just my observation.

An ability to maintain a close relationship between political power and the people precisely through the mechanism you just mentioned of how much a grassroots background being responsive to people's needs locally can carry you through the ranks of the party to eventually acquire a position of power.

And this is sociologically, I think this undermines the phenomena of oligarchy, of close circles of gatekeepers, so to speak, isolated from the masses on some kind of ivory tower, retaining their position at the expense of the necessities of history.

And the brilliant thing about China, I think, and this is what I, one of the things about it

that I find so fascinating and so commendable, and I don't mince words when I say, I think it is the

most advanced political system we have right now. Humanity has now.

And I know it has problems, but I'm just saying compared to everything else, is because

Xi Jinping's rise to power and his presidency, it almost seems revolutionary.

I mean, he's really breaking up

a lot of established powers

through his anti-corruption campaign.

He's implementing sweeping

changes and reforms a bold new

spiritual outlook in a new direction.

And all of this was able to happen in a totally nonviolent way, but in a way that was in

continuity with the established system they had before.

And he was able to do that.

There was a need among the Chinese people for a new direction and a new change. And rather than the polarization that we see in the United States taking place there, tearing the system apart from within, it was all able to kind of happen arguably in a seamless way, right, in a way in continuity. So to me, that shows that their political system is much more mature than ours. And... Yeah, they've had a lot of experience.

Yeah, precisely, precisely.

And the American system, I don't think it's designed even to be responsive to the dynamic and changing needs and moods of the people you you basically have a very rigid formalism

uh which is blind to the kind of um more partial demands of the people in the population. What I mean by that is that, for example,

the need to have these overwhelming drives and plans, specific plans, to build infrastructure

or whatnot.

The system we have is a kind of what they would call in Marxist lingo, bourgeois formalism,

where everything is kind of etched in stone, regardless of changes in history,

regardless of changes in the development of the productive forces.

And basically the job of the courts is to maintain that and make sure nothing deviates from that.

And when people have needs and when they have aspirations, which cannot be satisfied within that rigid formalism, you know, it's just kind of causes conflict and almost a revolutionary scenario where of populism, we're pitting masses of people

against the institution.

So the institutions that exist in America are not responsive to the demands of the people or the aspirations of the people, I should rather say.

America doesn't have an NPC, and I think that may be why.

I don't know if you're familiar with the work of the NPC.

They're kind of the forgotten heroes of the Chinese governance system.

These are people drawn from the community.

They're all selected, but you can self-nominate.

So you mostly they're selected.

People are asked, why don't you stand for the NPC?

Then they are elected, so they don't automatically get a position in the NPC.

And they're elected by people who know them effectively in their own communities.

And then they are, usually they sit on the provincial NPC, the National People's Congress,

but there's a provincial people's Congress too.

And these are the people who come up with the ideas to say, we need new laws.

Some of them are street cleaners, some of them are street cleaners some of them are factory

workers some of them are security guards policemen and they have them from the army from the

air force they have them from all different walks of community many of them are doctors many

and they all have these ideas of how the country

can be better, and they present them to the National People's Congress twice a year. And when these

things are presented, then they've voted on, this is what they call the rubber stamp parliament.

They've voted on, but all the work has been done in the background. If they're not popular, if they're not going to be accepted, then they're never presented for a vote. So the West says, oh, it's a rubber stamp parliament because everything gets selected.

But these people are actually monitoring the CPC.

The NPC are looking after the CPC and making sure the CPC don't overstep their mark.

Don't do what they shouldn't do.

And I think where you talked about ripping apart the fabric of society and the fabric of your

structures, China is actually putting them together and making them work together.

They're saying the people can tell the party.

It literally is a dictatorship of the proletariat.

And it literally is, and it works very, very well.

And 90% of people, if you talk to them,

will say, I don't pay any attention to it.

Well, they don't pay any attention to it

because they don't need to.

It's like a great football game. If you watch a football game and you don't see the referee,

that was a good referee in game. When the referee is constantly interfering in the game,

then you don't enjoy the game as much. And that's what happens in Chinese

politics. It's actually working very, very well because of this melding of the people with the

party to govern the country and the way the country wants to be governed. Could that ever happen in

America? Absolutely not. China has a, as you said,

it's a dual system. It's the party dictatorship and it's a people's democracy. We just have a

veneer of a constitutional republic and then our democracy, the content of our democracy is the opposite in China.

So in China, the NPC is an extent, if I'm correct, that's the people's democracy.

So democracy in China is inherently people oriented, arguably populistic.

But I guess that might be controversial to call it that.

But in the United States, when politicians and when the media talks about democracy,

they're actually referring to elite civil society institutions

funded by billionaires and think tanks, you know, such as George Soros's Open Society Foundation,

to basically maintain and keep in check popular aspirations to make sure that people's

will doesn't get united in such a way that disrupts the neutrality, so-called neutrality of the

system. And the neutrality of the system is just a kind of veneer of just allowing

basically oligarchs to continue engaging in corruption and economic plundering and whatnot and

whatnot in the name of a kind of free market or whatever, right?

So democracy in America means the exact opposite of what it means in China.

And it's ironic because populism in America insists more upon the Republican,

constitutional Republican side of things,

where no,

the forces of democracy,

the Soros,

open society,

whatever,

are an inhibition and preventing,

you know,

our will to be represented

as the perceived the founding fathers intended it to be, which is, you know, our will to be represented as the perceived the founding fathers intended it to be, which is, you know, town hall, republicanism, real democracy.

So I'm mentioning this because I think the germ of what China has, as you describe, exists in America.

It's ingrained in people's consciousness

that more or less,

this is what the founding fathers in the spirit

of the American Revolution intended.

It's just that

because we,

I argue, I mean, this is maybe Marxist dogmatism, but it is my perspective,

because we only had the bourgeois revolution, the democratic revolution, we never had a

proletarian revolution. We don't have an added layer of civilizational and historical wisdom

that china has which also recognizes the factor of class struggle and class differences and i think

that's exactly why as you mentioned China's a proletarian dictatorship, also because it's very cognizant of how elite social formations and private interests can form in ways that inhibit the common will of the people.

And its structures are in place to make sure that that doesn't happen, to ensure that

people will always have representation, not just as a kind of abstract generality, but actually

the people, the masses,

the farmers, the street workers,

the factory owner, workers,

and so on, who are at the

lower ones of society. It sounds

like you have an understanding of why the

cultural revolution started. Oh, yes, precisely. This is exactly what Mao saw happening. Now, don't get me wrong, the cultural revolution went out of control and became unmanageable, but the purpose of starting it was exactly what you just say.

The institutions were becoming too institutionalized,

and the leadership was becoming too institutionalized,

and there was a danger of exactly what they had overthrown 30, 40 years before becoming the same thing.

And that's possibly, it's a very difficult thing to say, why did Mao start that?

But it was definitely, that was a component of it.

There were definitely excesses

in the culture revolution. I'm not

trying to idealize it, but

I hold the perspective and I'm not

exactly sure.

I don't know

if I discussed this with my Chinese friends

I met in Moscow, but I think the reason China endured rather than the USSR was because of the cultural revolution.

That is what created a precedent and experience that made people realize that institutions constantly need to be humbled and invigorated with the popular element or else it's going to be a source of extreme instability like we saw in the later stages of the cultural revolution

whereas in the soviet union the exact same dynamic that ma was worried about happened unchallenged

and it eventually culminated in the destruction of the socialist system itself.

What are the obstacles that will prevent the Maga communism movement from growing and becoming that alternative third party?

There must be some significant obstacles.

Well, there's three main adversaries we have.

And I think as long as we continue to be steadfast in confronting these three adversaries, I don't think we will have an issue creating a,

and I don't mean a third party in the sense we're going to be elected president,

but I mean a tribune of the people, a party that finally masses of people regard as theirs and representing

their interests in ways that the established parties cannot. So the three main adversaries we face,

and they're all related, is firstly, our first adversary were what I call pan leftists. So pan leftism basically encompasses a broad

spectrum of liberals, Trotskyites, anarchists, ultra-leftists, basically people who are, I guess,

eclectically leftist and tangentially aligned with the Democratic Party,

who are very, very hostile to what we're trying to accomplish here, again, because it undermines their kind of class position as institutional gatekeepers.

And they also see fit to regard the kind of Chinese-style populism we're talking about as fascist, right? Drawing from Karl Popper and these more late liberal theorists of democracy. So that is the first

adversary. The second adversary, I think, comes from the far right, who are trying to compete with us

in terms of winning the consciousness of the Maga people.

And I think, although they are less numerous than the pan leftists, they are formidable

because they have a bad faith agenda to malign our attempts to communicate communism to the Maga masses.

Doing everything they can to block us and obstruct us.

Not because they're coming from the same place that maga people are

but because they you know think they're going to convince people to like be neo-nazis or something

which they won't so i mean but from both flanks the threat is a purely destructive one

we're not worried that they're going to create a positive movement that competes with us but they

play a destructive role to stifle our our attempts i mean pan leftists are rooting for our downfall they're

rooting us to fail very desperately.

Instead of, it's very funny, instead of actually trying to build anything themselves whatsoever, they realize, yeah, we're not going to be able to do that.

But let's dedicate the entirety of our energy to bring these guys down and prevent them from being successful.

So we see odd weird scenarios where sometimes the two people I just mentioned team up.

And it's not just the far right.

It's also kind of conservative influencers, quote unquote, who make a living off of propagating the narratives of the Establishing Republican Party and whatnot. And they kind of unite together to delegitimize us. And they have a gentleman's agreement,

Pan leftist in the right wing,

where they say, okay, we hate each other,

but we understand our position in where we stand

with regard to one another.

And we will maintain our social status

and our credibility as long as we keep the game up of just going at it red versus blue

and um you know they have that gentleman's agreement and then worse wedged in between

fighting both of them because we we want to destroy gentleman's agreement. We want to destroy their established position and open the floodgates to a totally new kind of environment of politics in the U.S. And then finally, the third adversary, which does unite the two together in functionally

in practice, are, is the hegemony, including the deep state, including the forces of

state-sponsored disinformation

and bodying and whatnot and whatnot.

Journalists contacted

from a

I mean I was on Twitch I got banned from a

Washington D.C. think tank

tied to the Brooking Institute and the Soros Foundation and all this kind of liberal think tanks and NGOs. That's all CIA. We all know that, right? And that force is kind of tied to social media and it's also the repressive

apparatus of the state as well so it's those three main adversaries that stand in

the way of the success of our efforts to rebuild communism in America, basically.

Do you find it sometimes hopeless?

Because that's three fairly substantial adversaries there.

It can feel that way sometimes when you realize that we are in the minority right now and we're fighting a war of, you know, of defending ourselves in many ways. But I also find it interesting how seamlessly we are able to kind of operate and grow in significance just by state a painful but obvious truth that is inconvenient. And I think that the power of that message

is so strong that it allows us to hold our own and allows some of us to go, Jackson Hinkle is one of us

I mean

when I met Jackson he

was not well known by

anyone he had about 30,000

subscribers on YouTube he was very

he was a very minuscule figure

compared to where he is now.

And the amount of connections we've able to make the, obviously the popularity Jackson has been able to achieve things of that nature.

I mean, we have come a long, long way way at this point and it's because of the power

the uniqueness and the most importantly the integrity of our message because it takes for for an

enemy to lie about us it takes a lot a lot of energy compared to how easy it is for us to just tell the truth.

I mean, it's much more difficult for them to lie.

My channel is very much about that. I focus purely and simply on American, it is all American.

Some of it comes from the UK.

I'm an Australian citizen as well.

So a lot of this comes from Australia,

but it is fundamentally American misinformation being fed to those countries in order to make China look bad.

And my life is spent. It's not how I plan my retirement, but my retirement is actually spent just saying to these people, you're wrong, and this is why you're wrong.

Here's the truth. Here's the reality. And then backing it up and supporting it. It's very difficult to argue with that.

So I understand where you're coming from. I particularly liked one comment

that you just made a little while ago

where you said, these people

are not out to

set up in competition to you.

They're out to destroy you.

And that probably

is a more telling message than anything else. If you don't have a viable

alternative, why don't you just leave us alone because we are an alternative? Why won't they just

leave you alone? I think there's an extent that they feel some of them.

In some cases there is a kind of, it seems like it's coming from the third adversary where it really is just kind of really bad faith actors doing this on behalf of the hegemony because they're employed to it's their job but i can't

say that's all of it or maybe even most of it from the pan leftist front i think many of them feel

humiliated that for so long they've been doing the wrong thing and then suddenly we're out here

with a winning message that's successful and it kind of makes them feel like their whole life

was meaningless basically like okay i've gotten to the position that I am as much as I failed, you know,

and you're just going to come along here and do this? No, I'm not, I don't think so. And I think

it's, it's a classic kind of gatekeeper dynamic. And you see it play out in so many different contexts all the time where the more rational thing you're right is for them to just, yeah, go do. If we're so wrong, you figure it out. But, you know, one of our adversaries, his name is Hassan Piker.

I don't know if you're familiar with him.

But I think he said something very, very illustrative of their mentality.

He said, listen, leftism is not about success.

It's about constantly, constantly failing over and over again and then every once in a while you might have a marginal success to hope for but it's basically about being correct and constantly uh ineffective because of your correct

and kind of just for him that means being principled

constantly failing but you're correct

so when we're actually trying to make an effort to be successful

it's almost like they feel like we're disturbing their peace. They are at peace being failures while reppping the name of socialism or left-wing politics or communism. And if someone is going to come along being successful in the usage of those kinds of labels, they feel like it's disrupting this kind of cognitive, emotional, and ideological safe space they've cultivated, which ultimately they're content with.

I get people on my feed every day. Without a doubt, there'll be some every day. Usually small numbers. I handle about five or six hundred messages a day through my YouTube, my Twitter and things like that.

And almost every day I'll see someone say, but communism has failed everywhere.

I mean, you look at how America is so successful and communism has failed everywhere.

And then they quote, Venezuela is still poor, Cuba is still poor, North Korea is still poor, China is still poor.

Well, hang on a second.

Do you realize that your country has been sanctioning those countries for 70 years in some cases and China was poor for the first 20 years

of its existence because of US sanctions. I mean this really you can't say that it's failed.

You can say it's been collapsed or it's been caused to fail.

It's being pushed into poverty because of what you're doing.

And I would love to see just one country.

And China is obviously clearly an example of this,

but one country just left alone by the US.

Instead of what you said before they try because they

don't like it they try to destroy it rather than say okay let's see how it goes and if you just

leave Cuba alone for 10 years and let it trade internationally let it do what it does,

what would Cuba look like in 10 years' time?

And I'm sure it'll be very different from what it looks like today,

where it is still very poor.

Same with the DPRK.

Not very democratic country,

I'll grant you,

but the fact is the people there and i know people who've

met people who come from there they're not unhappy with what they have they're quite happy

yet i'm told that chinese people also live with this yoke of oppression and and need rescuing from their government. If you walk

out in the streets, you wouldn't see anybody who needs rescuing here. It's really quite a happy place.

So what's going wrong with this is this thing that you say they just want to destroy it and that is

this is something that needs to change

and it really is American driven

why are they so so

emphatic about communism being failure

again not to be

dogmatic but I think

my Marxist perspective would trace this to a phenomenon

Lenin identified. The rise of imperialism corresponded to something that was also called the rise of

monopoly capitalism with the formate you know economic competition kind of

disappears and the law of competition the law of the market has given rise to these dynastic monopolies

which actually still rule the u. today, financial monopolies.

And once they've reached the point of monopoly, it's very clear how the increased

dynamism and productivity and change of the productive forces and of the economy actually begins to threaten their position on a structural level.

So you see increasing rhetoric, and this was especially thrown at China in the 2000s, before Xi Jinping's kind of transition to ecological civilization.

But it's a very cynical attempt to try and hinder economic development for other countries in general in the name of combating climate change,

for example, right? Which was a very cynical and bad faith veneer they were using. The real reason, of of course is because they didn't want the competition

the monopolies couldn't afford it because it would mean their destruction on a structural

level which for them may as well be the equivalent of the destruction of everything right but

the the destructive and antisocial nature of monopoly capital and particularly finance capital, and this is something Michael Hudson, the economist talks about often, is that it is driven toward the goal of basically devastating the productive forces.

And if you can even argue the foundation of civilization itself in any ways, because it increasingly begins to view them all as just costs, pure costs. Once you have a monopoly, your only way of

acquiring profit is basically cutting back costs. That's how your profit margins increase by having to

account and pay for less. And that logic taken to its conclusion basically means just pure destruction.

It's almost like what a great profit we're able to make if we just destroy everything.

Like, you know, if the dollar gets worth less for more commodities that are produced right because of the forces of inflation or whatnot i mean uh one dollar would be worth the whole universe if we just destroy destroy everything.

And it's almost like it's a famous quote from Dune, I think.

He who has the power to destroy something

can control it.

I think there's a very twisted,

perverse logic or mentality

that it's at the core of this kind of anti-social, anti-civilization

destructiveness that the West, or an America in particular, has gotten itself into, which, according to which basically, um, uh, it would be better for

everything to be torn down, uh, because nothing new is possible, nothing novel is possible.

And we've basically reached the end of history already, and there's no going forward from here.

And that could see...

You mean, the United States.

Yeah, I mean, it's Fukuyama's

argument of liberal democracy kind of

reaching the end of history, being the final

and most perfect system there is.

And I

think that is an inherently

destructive perspective, because to maintain an equilibrium, an exact stasis, that has to come at the expense of something.

And I mean, I guess I'm underselling the extent to which there's something very malign, sinister, and vicious about the imperialist agenda.

But it also, I think, is rooted in just the kind of logical consequence of monopoly, I think.

Right. So we're getting towards the end of my allotted time. I usually allow about 90 minutes for this.

What's next for MAGA? Where are we going next?

Next is 2024, which I think is the ultimate test. I think if Trump loses in 2024,

it's not, it sounds outlandish, but I think the polarization in this country

will reach a tipping point that

might be something like a civil war.

Yeah. Maybe not as dramatic as that as like two forces going at it but just a general breakdown of authority law and order to the point of you know an unclear political situation in the u.s i think is another word for civil war, where who is president?

Well, we don't agree on it, and the country's divided over it.

So you think it's as soon as November, if the wrong result, or if the result is not what the

Maga Communists want or the Maga people want, then it could be over as early as November.

Or maybe it's fizzled out, you know, and among younger generations,

Trump, sorry, the Maga movement is no longer the zeitgeist. Or maybe Trump can win and it's liberal states that decide to secede, you know, Democrat states. So the polarization is not just from one side. It's also from

the other. Understood. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you have anybody in Senate,

Congress, anybody in administration

who supports what you do?

I don't believe not

yet, though there are people who

seem to be close to us on foreign policy, and increasingly so, I think. And I think for a long time, for many of these people, it was kind of like opposition opposition to u.s foreign policy on russia but hawkish on china

but i think that's starting to change you know i noticed uh i think Tucker carlson is starting to

become a little more skeptical of U.S. posture, posturing against China.

I think that among the representatives I'm talking about, like Thomas Massey and others, I think they're also kind of starting to come around to the realization that China is not the enemy actually. China is not in bed with, you know, the establishment or whatever. Because, you know, I was going to say we had Gavin Newsom over here, the governor of California, just a few months ago,

and he was very enamored with what he saw.

Really, the fact is Americans need to come and have a look for themselves and say,

this is not what we expected.

I totally agree.

And I think among the Maga movement, the hostility from China stems from a few factors, one of which is that there are bad faith forces, the Steve Bannon, Peter Thiel kind of crowd, who are in league with the Department of Defense that are kind of trying to sigh up people against China.

The second thing is China is a very unfamiliar foreign and alien place for many Americans.

So there's a kind of xenophobia there.

That's just automatic.

And then the third thing is there is a perception that a false conspiracyism that somehow the Democrats are doing China's bidding and that China runs the show in America.

So they associate the hegemony with China.

And that's so funny because they don't realize that the hegemony is more concerned with bringing down China than it is MAGA internally.

So you

and China actually share a common enemy,

you know, is what I always try to

tell Maga people.

The Chinese are fighting the same

fake news media that you are. They're fighting

the same destructive forces

that you're trying to.

And that's really the kind of angle we, with much success, actually, we try to educate

people on China.

I had an interesting chat yesterday with a grassroots mager.

And this is what I wanted to do.

So you know that I've talked to a few people.

And this guy came in yesterday.

I just know him as James.

He identifies as a mega communist and said, yeah, I'm willing to talk to you.

So we set it up.

And he was very interesting on China because he actually likes the country.

He said he'd love to visit.

And he doesn't believe much of what he said.

And it's refreshing for me to hear that coming from an American voice.

It really is refreshing because I visit Australia and I hear every I dare not go to a bar in

Australia and say oh I live in China it's a great place I wouldn't I wouldn't leave

there with my head intact it's as simple as that there's that much anti-China rhetoric in Australian media. It's

possibly worse than America. But so far, seeing people outside of America who say, well, I don't

believe all that. It really is refreshing for me. And this is something I really encourage

you and your team to kind of get out there. The lies in the media about you are exactly the same

as the lies in the media about China. Precisely. And that's part, I mean, one of the biggest things about maga communism i guess to conclude

is what it's what it's distinct from from other kind of maga voices is that we are pro china

we are trying to dispel animosity and hostility toward china. It's one of our chief and principal goals,

because we consider it our responsibility because of the U.S.'s aggressive posturing against China,

we need to step up and obstruct the deep states attempt to build consensus for a war with China.

It's very much a military, industrial complex driven program. It's not in the benefits of any of

humanity at all, let alone America, because a war with China

would, without a shadow of a doubt, bring a war to America. I don't think there's any doubt about that.

It will be the first time. And I think maybe we should probably use that as a finishing point

let's hope that maga communism grows in strength i i came into this series of three videos

with a very open mind and i didn't know if I was going to like mega-communism or dislike it,

what I've seen and the three people that I've talked to and the research that I've done,

I see that is a positive thing for America, and I wish you all the greatest success with it and to Jackson

Hinkle the future president maybe all the best to you so thank you very very much and no thank

you has it's been a pleasure talking to you I uh i we we haven't it's a very early in

the morning here in china so we haven't had that many followers today but i think your your site has

been quite busy this has only got 70 80 people on but it's a good start for you.

I mean, I hope there will be more.

I intend to write an article for publication and put all of this together.

And, yeah, I think my article will be a very positive one.

Thank you so much.

I'll be sure to share the video with my followers as well.

And it was really a pleasure to come on. Thank you, Hess. I will see you next time. Let's see

if next time we talk that you're advising a future president.

Hopefully, yeah.

Thanks very much indeed.

Thank you.

And we are off air. Thank you very much.

I really do.

Sorry, I just want to

I myself,

I'm streaming, so I don't want

just letting you know.

Okay.

Yeah.

Because I know we're all fair

and I don't want you, I don't want

you to say anything that you didn't want you I don't I don't want you to say anything that you

didn't want I wasn't going to say anything sensitive I really do hope to see your movement

grow that that's it and yeah okay thank you so much I appreciate it and I'm'm really glad you came at it with an open mind and, you know, you were willing to have a dial. Because it's a kind of very difficult thing because for a lot of people who aren't familiar with it,

I think that it's very easy to be confronted with the lies told about us

because there's some people that make it their full-time job

to just discourage anyone from ever talking to us about anything.

I make it my full-time job to encourage anyone from ever talking to us about anything.

I make it my full-time job to dispel the lies.

So whatever

I've read, even on social

media, whatever I've read.

One thing I have really noticed

and maybe I should have talked about

this while we're alive, there is a massive

amount of division. I've had

people in my feed telling me, you don't

need to talk to these guys, they're idiots,

they're wankers, they're all the different

words. The bottom line is

you actually have

a very, I think you have a very, very

solid basis to

make something good. I honestly

don't, I don't want to see

revolution in the United States. I know

no one in America does, but

I can't see a way through where you are now without.

Now, revolution doesn't necessarily mean guns and bombs, but you need a 180-degree change in your system.

I think we're going to get one either way because the system is imploding.

It's just not able to weather or sustain these divisions and contradictions in it any longer.

And I think the tragic thing is that on the course we're headed it's going to be it's going to be horrible you know we a civil war in this country a breakdown of the political system it'll it'll definitely be you know probably a humanitarian disaster you know, probably a humanitarian disaster, you know, with how much guns?

And it wouldn't, it wouldn't just be American.

It would be global, too.

I agree.

That's the fact.

America is such a powerful, it's an institution, it's so powerful that it does.

People often say to me, well, why doesn't China just decoupled from America?

That would devastate China's economy.

It would put it back 40 years.

We can't do that. It's just not possible

to do. It's a very naive look.

I have a few

ideas that I'd love the Chinese

government to take up. One is

I'd love to see them

taking a shipload of necessary goods to America, but dropping off one container in Cuba.

So, stop in Havana and drop off one container.

And then the American government will say, that ship can't come in.

Okay.

So the ship turns around and goes back to China. And then you've got no medicines,

you've got no car parts, you've got no mobile phones, whatever it is that was on that ship.

And that would make people say, hang on, what the hell are we doing here? That's one. The other thing is

just to stop medicines. Your government says you've got to stop the precursors for fentanyl. Okay, stop all, all medicines going across to America until this matter is sorted out. Let's fix this problem once and for all. Within a week you'll have a

civil war because you have the

highest number of gun owners and the highest number

of substance users

and abusers. Your

prescription problem

is as big as your illegal problem

almost. So yeah, I think that's there's a couple of

solutions there for China. But I think China doesn't want to do that. China is quite happy to maintain,

you know, just keep going. I think that's true. But I also think that there has to be an awareness among the leadership i expect

that if a big change is coming that's going to upset the current order of things i mean the russians

are aware of this i know the chinese have to be which countries are going to be able to weather that storm the best? And it's like, well, it's going to be the ones that are the most sovereign. It's going to be the ones that have the most institutions of sovereignty and lack of dependence on the U.S. institutionally, right?

And politically, you know, Europe, I think, would get hit much harder.

Yes.

Than China would, you know.

And China, it would be probably a crisis and it would cause a lot of chaos and problems but i think they would survive it

you know i think the same is true for countries like the dpr k the same is true for countries like

cuba and iran and stuff when you have political independence and sovereignty, you can weather

crises and calamities and storms in ways I don't think the U.S. vassals will be able to.

I agree. Yeah, Australia would be destroyed for sure. Yeah, I watch Australia and just, I shake my head. I just can't understand where it's all going and why it's going so badly. But now it's nearly 10 o'clock at night for you, so I'm going to let you get off.

And thank you so much for your time, and you're open and honest responses.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it. Thank you.

See you again next time.

See you.

Bye-bye.

Bye. Hey, guys.

What did you guys think?

Pretty good, huh?

I had a great time.

Good interview.

Guys, I spy.

You see anything different in this room?

Like, I spy.

You see anything different? That wasn like i spy you see anything different that wasn't here

last time by the way we were just getting started we're not ending the stream yet we have a lot to talk

about actually we have a lot of important matters to talk about.

Yep, Lenin bust.

It's crazy because I'm spending all this money doing a bunch of different stuff.

And I'm just, I'm literally going all in with between the events we're doing um doing the organization publishing the book I am literally risking everything I own for this to work

and pull this off.

So I have skin in the game, guys.

Don't think I'm just dilly-dallying and messing around, right?

I could just be a streamer for the rest of my life, stream every day, and make a more

or less steady income.

And I literally am not really making money that much money

anymore because i'm risking and doing all this but anyway uh but i but i'm like you know what

need a lenin bust so i got one but we're we're done now now the setup is finished all right

anyway guys I have some things to talk about so again I'm constantly getting

messaged because people have a short memory about what's going on in the CP USA

they're posted there they're confused people are getting antsy I don't know Have a short memory about what's going on in the CPUSA.

They're posted there.

They're confused.

People are getting antsy.

I don't know why they're getting antsy at all.

I mean, if you can't even boost or if you can't, Anonymous, what's up?

Anonymous.

Wow, with the five. What's going on?

Guys, listen, I don't know why people are getting antsy about the organization because I have some tough news for you. If you can't even retweet a tweet, why are you getting antsy about an organization? You know,

you need to prove your competence before I'm going to understand where you're coming from

trying to push things and be so antsy about it or whatever it's like why don't you start being able to hit a

fucking button okay because real life is a lot harder and takes way more commitment how many trotskyites

it take to screw in a light bulb one One, because they can screw up anything.

True. What up, Wall Face Prime. Thank you so much. Yeah, guys, let me tell you something.

Real life takes way more dedication, way more work than what I ask you guys to do on the internet. And the worst thing

about the organization that we're launching is that I'm not going to be there giving you orders

all the time. Meaning you're going to have to come up with things on the fly, by yourselves,

and get things done.

And, you know, you guys need to wake up.

And I'm going to give you a harsh speech right now, but you need to wake up, really start

waking up.

We are the first generation of communists in the 21st century in the USA.

Everyone who's all in on this needs to be dedicated to it.

You can't have any laziness.

This is not a game.

This is not a joke.

And our enemies are a thousand times more dedicated and active than you are okay our enemies on the far right

I mean why are you just letting them win you just want to let them win and have us be buried under an avalanche of stupidity and laziness?

Get your act together and wake up.

You know?

Because we are facing an uphill battle right now

and there is no room

there is no room for weakness

there is no room for this nonsense

that I'm starting to detect

where people are just

what lounging around

waiting for something to happen

this is a big frustration it's like

Hamza what's going on

great content why are people waiting

why are you waiting for something

to happen you're the one who's supposed

to be making it happen. It's like, it's like me.

I could have waited for something to happen, but I hit the live button and now infrared exists.

Shouldn't you be inspired and start taking initiatives and just doing things that's why shout

out to people in the community like american partisan who just do things by taking the

initiative making great content making great adjut prop because they just prop, because they just do it.

Because they just do it. That's why.

Wallface, what's going on?

What is using dialectical materialism

to design capacitor play parameters?

Higalian dialectrics.

Yeah, I mean, like, this is not a sheep-based movement.

We're shepherds, we're not sheep, okay?

It's the last time I'm going to say that.

But anyway, rant over cpUSA's elections are coming up this june

okay here is my message to you just in case you are confused

we want you to win in June.

We want you.

We want infrared delegates in June when the elections happen.

Don't plan in the long term for two years from now for your position in the CPUSA.

Plan to do to make the most impact for the elections that are coming up in June.

Okay?

American partisan, what's up?

Just do it.

So when you say like, oh, should we vote for Joe Sims? Okay. American partisan. What's up? Just do it.

So when you say like, oh, should we vote for Joe Sims with Joe Sims, vote for whatever gets our people in power in June, the most people we can get in power in June that we can.

Okay.

That's your duty and that's your goal.

And I told you that a million times.

If you're in the CPUSA, stay there.

This June, we're getting as many people to power that we can.

And that's what you're supposed to be doing this whole time.

And we've been building up to this for three years. We've been waiting for this election.

You understand?

So don't sit here and quit. I'm outraged. I'm hearing idiots

quitting the CPUSA now because they think a fucking org is going to come save them.

It's been three years we've

been waiting for this election.

Stay your ass in that party

and wait for further orders.

It's like

it's finally happening and now you want to quit and you're waiting for a new org

gorilla born with the 10 that's what i'm talking about what's up

so now that i've clarified that let me explain this org okay we are not trotskyites we are not Maoists we are not

creative um liberal socialists who just like create parties from scratch out of our bum we are communists and we are Marxist Leninists.

If Haas and if people are building a new organization right now,

that's related to the CPUSA.

We're not arbitrarily creating a new organization from scratch and just saying,

oh, we're just going to have our own party.

No, this is intertwined with the CPUSA. So let me make that 1,000% clear. The organization

that I am launching in June or July, not the one in May, that's something you guys don't have to

worry about. That's a think guys don't have to worry about.

That's a think tank, not a political organization.

The political organization we are launching is part of the history of the Communist Party.

The Communist Party.

Now, it's not a Communist. It's the Communist Party, USA. And it's part of the Communist Party. Now, it's not a communist, it's the Communist Party USA. And it's part of the

2036 initiative. So we're not just creating something out of our ass because we're upset with the

leadership and we're upset with our ideology we're creating something to respond

to a very specific thing that's going on within the CP USA so go watch our video about

Operation Magma if you need to To be very clear with you, this is Operation

Magma. Anonymous, what's going on?

Hold the fucking line. Yes, hold the fucking line because it's Operation Magma that we're doing. There's one communist party. And so if there's a new

organization on the horizon, we're not changing our view that there's one communist party. So do the

fucking math.

And yeah, I'm going to swear, because I'm not talking to your uncle right now.

I'm talking to you.

I'm not talking to your boomer uncle who's apolitical.

What's up, Cyap Shorty, what's up?

I'm not talking to your boomer uncle who's a political

right now.

I'm talking to

you.

You understand?

I'm talking to you.

There's one

Communist Party

and the organization

that we are launching do the math i don't know if i need to spell

it out to you and i'm not going to spell it out to you because you should be smarter than that

but but why don't we put it this way, huh?

Let me just spell it out to you this way.

Our organization depends.

Thank you, Johnny.

Appreciate you.

Our organization depends on people having legitimacy, credibility, and power in the CP USA.

If we thought differently, we would be Trotskyites, like the PSL.

Do I make myself clear? Do I make myself clear? This organization we're launching is part of 2036, not separate. So yes, if you're in the party, stay in it.

When the organization is announced, which is going to be a few months from now, when it's announced, your orders will be clear.

So if you're in the CP USA and you cannot assume any position of power,

don't worry. You're going to...

We're going to bring you into something else.

Red Dog 86, appreciate you.

There's a lot of people who are just kind of like sick of being in the CP USA, so they think there's going to be like this

Hail Mary moment of a new organization that's going to be exciting. That's how the real world works.

Where Marxist-Leninists and communists with a capital C. that's going to be exciting. That's how the real world works.

Where Marxist-Leninists and communists with a capital C have some maturity, have some maturity, have some maturity, have some maturity, and patience.

This is not the PSL.

This is not, we're not going to go on an adventure, okay?

The new organization, I'm excited for it.

I'm not saying I'm not excited for it.

And you should be excited too, but you should not make it an excuse to to get antsy and and what why are you antsy if you can't even press a fucking button on twitter. Okay.

The organization we're, yeah, and the organization we're launching, I'm not, yeah, I'm not Caleb, okay?

Thank you, J.B., appreciate you.

A lot of you guys are getting a little too excited about the organization.

Because I'm not Caleb. I'm not going to take you guys into the woods in a forest retreat

and dance with you and sing kumbaya on the guitar. That's not what it's not going to happen okay i'm not creating a

cult and a haz compound for you to come and live with me and larp a new life with okay so

you need to lock in okay i'm telling you that you need to lock in. Okay, I'm telling you that you need to lock in

and not have a fantasy that we're going to be living in communism in a few months.

Okay?

Need to lock in and get a hold of yourself because we're not escaping reality.

This is this new organization, calm down. down yes get hype but stop using it as an excuse to abdicate your

responsibilities because what that is is cringe what that is is wrong what that is is is wrong what that is is a false understanding of what

this party is the c p u s a and what that means for marxist leneninists and for communists.

I also want to say, you know, some people,

I never see you guys ever emphasize this.

And our job is not to wreck the PSL.

We actually have nothing to do with the PSL.

You're like, well, Halz, why don't you go hard on the PSL?

Why the CPUSA?

And I never see anyone like ever say this because people somehow don't understand this, is crazy but let me educate you guys on something the PSL and I'm saying this formally I'm not saying this they say it it's formally true for their party is not a Marxist-Leninist organization.

And what does that mean? They do not accept Stalin's synthesis of Leninism. They claim, if you read the dotted line,

the PSL says we are a Marxist and Leninist party.

They don't say Marxist hyphen Leninist.

Those are two very different things,

although they sound like they're the same thing.

They're not.

Marxist Leninist means Stalin's synthesis so aka Stalinism we just don't call it Stalinism because it's just how

Stalin was synthesizing Leninism okay but Marxist and Leninism, okay? But Marxist and Leninist is way more ambiguous. That's not referring to the official ideology of actual existing social estates. In the context of the PSL, it's referring to Sam Marcy, the Trotskyite. And people need to

understand something about Trotskyism. Trotsky was not someone who was just like attacking the USSR

exclusively and everything they did.

Trotsky held to a view in public while in private he was working with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, but in public, he actually was saying like, oh yeah, we need to defend the USSR because it's a deformed worker state, whatever.

And Trotsky was basically saying that, you know, he wants to overthrow Stalin and the bureaucracy, quote unquote, but the USSR should be preserved and maintained because it's a deformed worker state

and sam marcy took that logic and extended it to all the actually existing social estates

um in the 20th century and that's where the PSL comes from so just because the PSL is saying hands off

North Korea hands off Cuba you know hands off of China whatever that doesn't mean they're

Marxist Leninists I'm not even demonizing the PSL. Note that. I'm being very

objective right now. I want you to just understand they're not Marxist Leninist. They're not Marxist

typhan leninists. They're Trotskyites. And why does that matter, Haas? Why does that matter? Because I think we can avoid a lot of confusion if we're just clear about where we stand.

Marxism-Leninism in the USA basically doesn't exist except in the vestigial form as the CPUSA.

But Marxism-Lenonism doesn't look like what the PSL is.

It doesn't look like what the DSA is.

It doesn't look like these existing organizations.

Marxism-Leninism is a very specific type of method and a very specific type of science

of cultivating an advanced class-conscious organization of the working class to embed itself within some kind of mass politics okay

and it looks like something very different i mean the PSL see it's not enough to have a correct position on foreign policy you also need to have an effective position as well

and that's what the PSL lacks because they're not Marxist-Leninists.

You know, put it this way, guys, all the prerogatives that Pan-Leftists use against us, you're a Pat Sock, you're a Nasbole, whatever, like all the things they label us

is just the kind of

because we are Marxist-Leninists

and they're not.

They're something else. They're Trotskyites

or Democratic Socialists

or anarchists. They're pan-leftist,

right? We are Marxist Leninists. And in America, Marxists, they're pan-leftists, right? We are Marxist-Leninists.

And in America, Marxism, Leninism is socialist patriotism.

Marxism, Leninism does include the U.S. flag.

You know, it does entail a very kind of rugged populism and socialism in one country kind of thing and and socialism with American characteristics.

Like that is what Marxism-Leninism is, all right? It's a very mature and patient outlook. And it's been perverted

just enough to be what the CPUSA leadership is today, which is let's tell the Democrats. Let's

tell the Democrats. So in the U.S., Marxism and Leninism has become warped and perverted in the CPUSA specifically.

Infrared Coast-based, what's up?

This war is on every front.

It starts with algorithmic dominance.

11-dimensional folded softens collide with the Western Internet.

They are bugs.

Absolutely.

And guys, one of the reasons I emphasize so strongly, coherence and cohesion on the information warfront, is because maybe Haas is trying to prepare you for something.

You ever thought of that?

When Haas is issuing a directive and asking you for something as small as, hey, just press a button.

Just press this button.

Maybe I'm trying to prepare you guys for something.

You ever thought of that? You ever thought I might be trying to prepare you guys for something you ever thought of that you ever thought I might be trying to prepare you for something so take it more seriously all right because in a few months you're going to understand everything um now another thing i wanted to say is um this is what's going to make or break us is this organization we're launching and right now

Jackson is extremely popular and a lot of our prestige partially comes from that big chunk of it does

but among the youth we have no existence we have no credibility we

have no authority and that's because we don't have a real world presence that they can look to and be

like okay that's what they're about. And that's all going to

change in a matter of months. And that's what's going to make or break us big time. And we're going to

get attacked from everywhere. Just understand that. We've prepared, as a matter of fact, the night that I launched this, it's going to be literally

like Game of Thrones, like the Red Wedding, where like it's just a night of tactical

nukes. We're going to be detonating against all the major enemies we think will immediately try to we're going to be ahead we're

literally ahead of everything put it that way we are literally ahead of everything right now

and that's what all this preparation has been for that's what this preparation has been about

because we understand when we launch

we're going to be under attack right away so we

really understand what we're going up against

and our enemies will not see it coming, you know, unless, unless one of our

trusted people betrays us and, you know, gives them information beforehand, but I don't think that's

going to happen.

But I'm just saying it's almost impossible for our enemies to see what's coming.

Now, I want to also tell you guys that... did you know pan leftism in the united states right now is just hasan piker as a streamer all these people who constantly whine and bitch about

streamers oh i hate you should stop following these

grifter streamers stop following these grifter streamers translation to translate that for you that just

means they're hasan piker fans and why is it that hasan piker fans say things like this

because they want hasan piker to say things like this? Because they want

Hassan Piker to have a monopoly on

streaming. But the truth is,

the pan-leftist

media ecosystem, including the

D-Program, including Chapel

Trap House, including literally

all of our pan-leftist detractors and haters,

all is literally within and carried exclusively by Hassan Piker.

And if he stopped streaming for three weeks, it would collapse overnight.

And there would be no leftism in the USA to speak of.

Yes, the guy who gets an average of, I know he's dwindling, but the guy who gets an average

of 20,000 views live and concurrent, yeah, that does reflect all, all of...

Put it as way, radical pan-leftism is just a faction of the Hassan-Pyker audience.

Now, why am I telling you this?

I'm telling you this because I find it really crazy that we get bad

jacketed and even Jackson gets fed jacketed by these people when they are literally following

Hassan Piker who who is a Democrat,

and who in all likelihood is going to tell his audience

this November to vote for

Joe Biden, who is a Democrat.

And who literally says,

I mean, it's so, why is Jackson a Fed, but Hassan Piker is not? Can we just get that clear? Why is Jackson Hinkle a Fed, but Hassan Piker is not? Hassan Piker, who has the pan-leftist

streaming monopoly,

for how many years?

For how many years?

And literally, what is his message?

His message is literally that as leftists,

we need to just constantly fail all the time.

We can do nothing more.

Huh? I wonder what fulfills the agenda more We need to just constantly fail all the time. We can do nothing more. Huh.

I wonder what fulfills the agenda more.

What Jackson is doing or what Hassan is putting out there?

How is Jackson a Fed and Hassan isn't?

Hassan has got his start from the young Turks and he's the son of this extremely shady, weird liberal Turkish billionaire.

God knows what kind of connections.

But it's a, yeah, it's an upside down fucking world where people are fed jacketing Jackson Hinkle,

but then fucking being Hassan Piker viewers and followers?

Oh, oh, Hassan Piker is legitimate.

Hassan Piker is totally clean and a totally authentic non-propped-up personality.

Hassan Piker, who is trained and coached by Steve Hassan, who Amazon-owned Twitch, expresses total favoritism toward and promotes the shit out of.

Hassan's not fulfilling any kind of fucking elite agenda.

So everyone who's successful is a Fed except Hassan Piker.

Do I get you right?

Everyone who's successful, like Jackson Hinkle is a Fed, but Hassan Piker's not.

Hassan Piper's success is totally organic. There's nothing nefarious about

Hassan Piker's success. He's been fucking glamorized by every media outlet there

fucking is. He's been given every kind of

fucking promotion there is.

He gets to stream with all these politicians

and he gets invited to the White House.

He gets invited to the White House.

But because Jackson Hinkle

is fucking popular on Twitter,

you're gonna fucking fed jacket him, you faggot?

How the fuck is Jackson a fed but not Hassan?

The guy who gets invited to the White House, he's been given everything he has in a silver spoon with no adversity. He's a Fed, but Jack, he's not a Fed, but Jackson is. And meanwhile, Jackson's been

banned from everything except X, except X. Oh, well, Jackson's really popular on X. Except X.

Oh,

Jackson's really popular on X. He must be a Fed.

Yeah, but he's been banned from everywhere else,

you fucking idiot.

Kill yourself.

He's been banned from everything else.

The one platform with free speech

where Elon Musk says,

okay, we're going to have free speech.

That's where Jackson's successful.

Because if Jackson had 1%

of the fucking privileges

that Hassan Piker did,

Jackson would literally behead

and decapitate fucking maggots like Hassan Piper did, Jackson would literally behead and decapitate

fucking maggots like

Hassan Piker with a

goddamn fucking great

sword from fucking silent

hill that pyramid

pyramid head fucking drags along

everywhere. That's the fucking difference.

We have literally mountains of adversities stacked against us,

and the success that we do get,

you know for a fact we fucking earned it.

Because of how much shit that gets thrown in our fucking way you bitch but hassan

piker who has faced no adversity besides getting bullied by destiny one guy one streamer destiny

destiny stephen bannel bullies Asan Piker, and that's the only

adversity in pushback he's ever gotten. And he's favored by every major platform. He gets

invited to the White House. He's institutionally embedded with NGOs,

he's trained by people like CIA freaks like Steve Hassan or whatever, and he actually,

the connections are actually there. But because Jackson met with Tulsi Gabbard one time, and everyone knew who Tulsi Gabbard was, she was a fucking politician.

That makes Jackson a Fed?

Literally kill yourself.

You're a fucking retard.

Literally kill yourself you're a fucking retard literally kill yourself

holy shit no no i because i thought about it i was like wait a second all of these people sitting on jackson

yo siop shorty what the fuck is up yo all these people shitting on jackson are all all hasan

piker's media ecosystem they're all hasan Piker's media ecosystem.

They're all Hassan Piker orbiters.

Every single person shitting on Jackson is a Hassan Piker orbiter.

Their whole audience, their whole media ecology and ecosystem is carried by a streamer named Hassan Piker.

But he's, but Hassan is not a Fed, right?

Hassan is not a Fed.

Literally what an upside down fucking world we live in, straight up.

And there's no reason I should be getting angry right now

but isn't it cathartic and refreshing for when i'm angry at stupidity don't you guys find that

cathartic like doesn't someone need to be saying this yo what's up amylo what's going on

it's like they have every

single privilege

they are getting handheld through the system. Our pan-leftist adversities are getting

handheld through the system. They have everything going for them. Literally everything going for them.

They get all these promotions. They get all these connections these connections you know they even get invested they

even get investments twitch platforms like twitch favor them but because Elon Musk opened up free speech

on X the only platform

that's done it, the only major platform

is Twitter, and given

people like Jackson an opportunity,

just think about it.

If Jackson was a Fed, why is he banned on Twitch

and YouTube?

It doesn't make any sense.

And you guys have to understand something. I know Jackson personally. I know him personally.

So I know it's a lie. I personally know it's a lie.

You guys need to understand

on my life, on my

life, on my

ancestors' honor,

what they say

is a lie. So if I know

that for a fact

empirically, literally as my

own experience, if all these

things being said about Jackson are lies,

think about how fucking pissed

off I am.

Think about what position

Hasaldine is in.

All these things they say about him

are lies.

So why is it being said?

Because they're the feds.

They're feds acting them.

It's a classic Fed tactic.

Holy shit. I'm like, I am literally here, and I have empirical proof, just in my own personal experience, that feds are after us, which is obvious.

But yes, feds are behind all the bad jacketing of Jackson.

And it started all because of Jackson's position on Syria.

And they literally go into Muslim communities and spread shit on Jackson because he's pro-Assad.

And they know it's going to divide people.

It's literal coin tell pro-shit and nobody else sees it but me.

Nobody sees that but me.

But here's, but here's, I didn't get angry.

I've been like Buddha.

I've been at peace. But then I thought about it this morning and I was like,

but they let Hassan Piker slide and Hassan Piker is trying to fed Jacket Jackson

and the world turned upside down the world's upside

the world's upside i sahn piker

is an authentic totally grassroots streamer, but Jackson is inorganic.

The New York Times literally had Israeli research teams accuse Jackson's followers of being fake and being bots.

When has Asan Piker ever had the amount of defamation and attacks that Jackson has? as guys i'm not you know what i'm not you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna

open the can of worms i don't mean to cancel nobody yeah jackson has said inflammatory and incendiary things, culturally insensitive.

But Hassan Piker went to a brothel that was rated for human trafficking. and Hassan is not canceled, but Jackson is.

This is, uh, guys, just understand something.

And, and this is going to be the only time

I'm going to be angry for a very long time

I want you to

understand if I'm going through

things and I'm being calm

thank you so much Jennifer

wow with the 25!

Guys, if I'm maintaining a calm composure from here on out, as I've been doing for the past months, do not let that extinguish the flame of righteous anger in your heart

if anything let it grow even further

I'm starting to be calm now

because I'm going to let our results speak for themselves

I'm starting to be calm now because I can yell as

much as I want to and be angry as much as I want to, but it's not going to go nowhere. Results

will go somewhere. Okay.

But understand, yes,

it's a fucking empire of lies. Just, just

please, if you have to take away anything,

take away that it's all an empire

of lies. It's all an empire of lies. It's all an empire of lies. Guys, I'm seeing you

argue with some dipshit anarchist on Twitter. It's like, you know what? I am going to say it

in a revolutionary scenario

like in a hypothetical

science fiction scenario

that guy would literally just be taken out back

and shot in the head

and that would be at the end of it

but you guys are spending her day arguing with him for some reason.

To what avail? You're not building anything or doing anything. And by the way, he would, that would happen to him. Thank you, Anonymous.

We live in a topsy-turvy world. By the way, he would, that would happen to him. Thank you, Anonymous. We live in a topsy-turvy world.

By the way, the reason that would happen to him isn't because he's an anarchist, quote unquote, but because he would probably be engaging in violent acts and like trying to kill children or something and probably doing it successfully like

ISIS and would be disposed of in the way ISIS would be disposed of, right?

That type of psychotic, antisocial freak, it's like we don't have any words for them. I'm sorry. We have no words for them.

And at this point, anyone who's going on saying, oh, Maga communism is fascism. Oh my God. Maga

communism, this, Maga communism, that. Yeah, that guy's just going to be shot in the head

in a future hypothetical

civil war

science fiction scenario.

Not even by us.

Not even by us.

But by some random crackhead.

Because those people

aren't, you didn't even know what's going on around them.

They're not going to survive into the future.

They're not, they're not relevant, you know?

I'm not even saying we would not do that.

It would just be some, it would be some random crazy crackhead schizophrenic who does it in a chaotic civil war scenario.

Because those people aren't getting their priorities straight.

Instead of preparing for the impending collapse of the U.S. Empire,

they're blabbering about,

Maga communism are bad.

These people are totally clueless.

Like, natural selection will just sort itself out straight up.

Um... out straight up. Um, it'll just sort itself out straight up,

like metaphorically.

I don't mean, I'm not saying I believe in Darwinism.

I'm just saying like,

there's nothing to say. There's straight up nothing. By the way, guys, there's nothing to say

there's straight up nothing these by the way guys

there's no debate there's no debate

like we're way past that

none of these people will debate me

and if they would they would

if any of these people were willing to debate me

they would have already

grandma Americana what's up so guys any time you have to any of these people were willing to debate me, they would have already. Grandma

Americana, what's up? So guys,

any, you have to understand something. Any time

somebody is bad jacketing

Maga communism or Jackson

or infrared or Haas,

they're not doing it as an

open invitation to challenge them and debate them. They're not doing it as an open invitation to challenge them and debate them. They're hoping to see with how much they can get away with badjacketing and lying about us and how persuasive they can be while doing it. And that seems like it's insurmountable

because it's pan-leftist.

It's all of them uniting.

You know, liberals, Asan Piker,

NAFO, Dylan Burns, Destiny, anarchists anarchists whatever they're all

in one big happy family that's fine

but once we start

showing results

nobody's going to listen to these idiots

I promise you that

don't worry about it don't worry about it

they're shitting on midwestern marks

and what have I said this whole time

I've literally shown you how I can literally say nothing

incendiary or inflammatory for a year or so,

and they're still losing their minds about us.

And not only us, but Midwestern Marx because they're friends with us.

But you know what?

We should keep doing what we're doing and just not respond to it.

That's literally what my message to you guys is like straight up.

Let's just keep doing what we're doing.

And if like there's something we have to respond to, we just will.

But follow Jackson's lead.

I'm telling you, follow Jackson's lead.

Follow Rev. Lascarus' lead.

Let's just keep doing what we're doing.

Building, building. Because at the end of the day, listen, listen listen why am i getting angry at people

shitting on jackson okay if jackson makes a tweet defending himself he gets 50 000 likes and 10 million

views i'm sorry but there's no political faction in the U.S.

That can amount to anything more than a gnat, than a gnat, a literal gnat.

Compared to that.

Like, you guys have to understand, like, they are not on our level.

They're just not.

Um, the biggest thing they have is Asaun Piker, who's a guy who goes, who goes to

brothels rated for human trafficking, and who's democrat so you know what i'll just let things

speak for themselves that's the final word i'm going to say on it that's the final word i'm going to say on it

amyla what's up what's up

but it's like wow crazy crazy the double standard is actually crazy though that's the

crazy thing.

But things will just sort themselves out by themselves. I've always believed in that.

But I'm fine.

Like, you guys need to understand this. I'm fine.

I'm fine.

But you guys, you're starting to get low energy because I'm not yelling as often.

That's just the truth. You're starting to get low energy because I'm not yelling as often.

Amirio, what's up? Have you guys not gotten the hint?

Have you guys not gotten the hint?

I am locked in.

The reason I'm not yelling

is because I am the justice of history

as like a sword cleaving through it just in terms of what I'm doing.

There's nothing that can be said about me.

There's nothing that I need to respond to because I know what I'm,

because we are in a very specific course of action.

And that's what's important.

But you guys need to not lose sight

of why we're doing this in the first place.

You know?

You need to not lose sight of why we're, because, because guys, it's so easy, and this

is what I said in my telegram, it's so easy to just give up.

It's so easy to just give up

really

you know there's a handful of infrared

people that defect to the right

because it's easier

you know what I'm sick of this that defect to the right? Because it's easier.

You know what?

I'm sick of this communism thing.

I'm just going to... It's so hard to be a communist.

We're always getting under attack by like...

So I'm just going to call myself a right...

Because everyone calls me a right-winger, so I'm just going to call myself a right, because everyone calls me a right winger, so I'm just going to be one.

That's easy, dude.

That's easy, but is it just?

Is it honorable?

Do you have no honor?

You know why Mao and Lenin and Stalin were great men not because they were going with the flow

because they saw a small string of truth very small small faint glint of truth in their horizon that

everyone else was ignoring and that it would be much easier to just ignore and they insisted

upon it and they insisted upon it.

And they insisted upon it.

And they always kept their sights on it, no matter what.

Small worm, small threat of truth. It's a small speck in their eye and their in their line of sight it's there but everyone it's convenient to ignore it but it's there and to have the courage

to insist upon something so minuscule so powerless so devoid of pre-established authority that is the stuff out of which authority is born when you

insist upon something that is true but inconvenient that's the whole of what our honor is it is easy to abandon communism it is easy to

abandon this tradition it's easy to i'm not telling you it's not easy to. It is.

How fucking easy would it be to just to forget all this shit?

But think about how much you'd be betraying and losing. You know it's true. I know it's fucking true. But because some other people don't agree with us yet, you're going to tap out like a pussy? If we both know it's true,

and everyone telling us it's not who's right who's right

that's how they win that's how they poured a pile of rubbish on Stalin's grave.

Because shitting on Stalin's reputation and his honor has authority and pre-established authority at that by.

It's so easy to just avoid the house.

Okay, Stalin's bad.

Okay, sure.

But was he? Was he? Volkvulture doesn't think so.

If all guerrillas were like Volkvulture we would bring this entire empire down overnight 300 people just like volk vulture it's convenient to lie about Stalin it's convenient to lie about Stalin.

It's convenient to lie about Jackson and Haas.

It's convenient to lie about Lenin.

It's convenient to lie about communism.

It's convenient to lie about today's Russia and China.

It's convenient.

But is it true?

I didn't ask you if it's convenient.

I asked you if it was true, soldier.

I asked you if it was true.

I asked you if it was real.

I didn't ask you if it was easy.

I didn't ask you if it was easier if it was hard.

I asked you if it was real.

And if it's real, you will endure any and all obstacles to see to it that the truth comes to fruition.

I didn't ask you if it was easy.

I asked you if it was true. I asked you if it was true.

Just like in that SpongeBob episode,

where that dude goes and say,

hey, is this your license?

And he said, Patrick keeps saying, no, it's not my... He said, but okay, but this is your face on it, right?

And then he goes, yeah. And he said, this is your name on it, right? He said, yeah. So, this is your face on it, right? And then he goes, yeah.

And he said, this is your name on it, right?

He said, yeah.

So this is your fucking license then?

And then he says, no, it's not.

See, I didn't ask you if it's easy.

It's easy to just give in to Patrick's dumbass and be like, okay, it's not your license.

But motherfucker, I've taken you through

the whole course. I've taken you through the whole course. I know it's your license. I know

it's your damn license. I don't care what resistance I'm getting. I'm insisting and dying on that fucking hill.

Patrick's dumbass.

You're going to keep listening to Patrick's dumb ass?

We got Volcker showing these people receipts.

Volkvier saying, hey, this document is authentic, right?

Yeah.

And Stalin said this in this document, right? Yeah. And this is his signature, right? Yeah. So, Stalin was not allied with the Nazis. No, everyone knows Stalin was just best friends with Hitler. It's the same shit. But because there's more Patrick's out there, you're going to concede it to Patrick. I'm going to tell people, everyone knows communism doesn't work.

All right. So these are the correct statistics about the growth of Soviet industry and the growth

in the standard of living in the Soviet Union

and its ability to produce tanks, right? Yeah. Okay. And this happened in a 10-year time span, right? Yeah. And no other

countries able to do this from scratch without direct foreign investment. Yeah.

So communism isn't a failure.

No, no, everyone knows communism with a failure.

It's like, listen, it's that fucking simple.

We're up against Patrick's Star.

And we got bitch-ass

motherfuckers in IGB

who are defecting over to the other side because

they're sick of Patrick's dumb ass telling them that the world's upside down why don't you

bitch slap Patrick star into the damn ground Fuck when Squidward our way

Into the fucking back

Of the crusty crab

And get ourselves that fucking crabby paddies

Motherfucker

Sick of this bullshit about Squidward no it's not my license

but really I took you through the whole course I took you through the whole course this is

your damn license motherfucker and every

you're so angry.

You know who's more angry than me, this guy?

This is the most angry.

This guy was so angry he was bald.

That's going to be me in five years.

But he was bald when he was five years younger than me.

Fully bald because he's that angry.

Yeah.

Well, sometimes there's reason to be angry.

Yeah.

Sometimes it's not always about being a Buddhist.

Sometimes it's about being a Manitian or Zoroastrian where your mood is fire, right? But you just don't want to be vain about it. You just don't want to be yelling and angry screaming at the void to no avail. But I'm doing this. I'm raising my voice and I've always been angry on stream to communicate to you guys and to add emphasis, strong emphasis on the absurdity, on the ridiculousness of the positions opposing to be. How about that? How about that?

And Jackson is part of this whole community we got going.

And nobody should forget that. And I'm saying that because you should learn from his success

you hoss why aren't you like jackson i'm not like him because because what i do is different

because i'll tell you why because I'll explain it to you right so there's a timeline you got it

there's a timeline and there's a things are flowing in a certain direction my role my role is to obstruct and redirect that flow into a different direction.

So I get to be the person who goes bald. I go super cyan 9 over 9,000 super cyan 5 billion because we're going an alternate course than the one that's easy and convenient to. You understand?

And I'm opening the door for y'all to come through and achieve greatness.

And Jackson's success is proof that it can be done.

You understand? you understand that's why i'm mentioning it like yeah this message is real it's not popular when it's not popular in its immediate form because it's

very uncomfortable and it's very painful but when you learn how to amplify it and you learn how to smuggle it in the correct kind of ways,

it's a very potent, very powerful message.

Don't forget that, you know.

Don't forget that.

I mean, look... don't forget that i mean look we climbing mountains out here you understand

we're climbing mountains out here

i'm a random I'm some random dude from Michigan. I have no connections to any

powers that be. Literally none. Some random dude from Michigan.

And Hassan Piker from the young Turks is trembling.

Random dude from Michigan does all this damage.

You understand?

Random dude from Michigan.

Random dude from Michigan does all this.

And I get it.

It's so much easier for people to believe that, oh yeah, this was created by, you know, Tulsi Gabbard or some shit.

Because it's hard to believe a random dude from Michigan could do this. Because if a random dude from Michigan can cause this ripple effect, or at least help cause it, and he might be saying something that's worth listening to.

He might be on to something.

This dude might be onto something.

Maybe he's on to something, you know?

And it's like, I just talk to that dude Jerry

our message is so simple and reasonable

it's like this is what we get angry over

we're angry because we're defending something

very otherwise

very uncontroversial very

simple

very common sense and we get through we get put through so much just to do that you know it's crazy we get put through so much just for that just because of that you know and and you guys have to understand

i mean it speaks for itself it speaks for itself you know i mean it speaks for itself

straight up things just speak for itself, straight up. Things just speak for itself.

Um,

um,

but let me tell you guys some, all right? Let me tell you guys some all right let me tell you guys some uh let me tell you guys some uh let's get some clips

some good good clips right iran let's talk about iran well actually i already said everything

that's going to happen if these

zionists damn they do damn they don't

yeah i can't really get a new clip out of that because i already

said that so let me see

there's any breaking news over it um okay the u s and the u slam iran with missile

and drone sanctions wow i'm surprised they didn't even already have those right i'm surprised they didn't even already have those, right?

I'm surprised they didn't already have those.

That's crazy.

Anything else I need to respond to?

CPUSA sharing imperialist propaganda against Iran, not a surprise to anyone you know, somebody who I, I like to point out people who's posting behavior I like, I like, because I want to reward more of it, not because others aren't doing the same, or because I'm trying to undercut others.

So I mentioned Kareem, for example, because he's doing a good job.

But John Jackman, I'm impressed by this John Jackman guy.

You know, that guy, the way he's able to get an audience with regular conservatives and how he triggers right-wingers and confuses them with his imagery and stuff i'm not saying you should emulate him one to one but i'm saying i really like like i'll, for example, this is the first thing I see.

See, this kind of stuff, I like this stuff. Why? Because this type of figure

resonates with the mood of Americans

when they notice that hammer and the sickle

and they're like, huh,

why is there a hammer and sickle right there?

And it's like, it's a gateway.

It's kind of a smart gateway.

You know, just kind of sneak it in there. And people might get curious about how those two things, and because here's why, because intuitively, things mesh together very harmoniously in people's unconscious.

Like, people may not understand consciously

why there's a hammer and sickle,

but intuitively, it does all come together and make sense.

Like, yeah, communists are these, like, revolutionaries, whateveraries whatever right so it's like

I like what he's doing

um

just wanted to shout him out

because I've been I've been noticing

that on my timeline

I've also noticed that

him and Hassan and not Hassan Paiker, the good Hassan, and others are starting to spam clips in everyone's replies.

Like big accounts replies, that's exactly what we kind of need.

That's exactly the type of stuff we need.

Absolute, you guys don't need to understand and learn from the political communities online

that we're successful like rolling.

You spam the clips everywhere to the point where people get sick of

seeing them okay because people need to take for granted that you are you have a presence you

understand so i want to also reward that that behavior as well. no it's just crazy again hassan piker chappo trap house and all them that whole media ecology

the young turk that's all organic but we're the ones who are inorganic get the fuck out of here

bitch when I was at

5,000 followers on Twitter

trolling the world you want to

know how many glowie sleeper cells

I activated who's like

oh my god this Oz guy he's like a fucking

Russia China agent

we gotta get to destroy this guy. So many people were activated

against me. The surfs TV, all these people I didn't even know who they were. They had an

automated reflex to destroy me ASAP because i was literally a fucking foreign virus coming to destroy the the the

glowy fed run immune system of streamer ecology we are not not the established streamers. We are the ones that

destroyed the gatekeeper streamer ecology. Never forget that. We are not the streamer class.

They were.

And we fuck them.

We fucked them.

That's why Hassan's bitch asses is crying about Jackson.

That's why they were freak all these random who's that bitch rayvana from t yt who was that bitch raeva from t yt she came after me her and a bunch of other TYT bots.

I didn't know who these fucking people were.

I'm a random schizophrenic man from Michigan

who reads Boris Groyes and Lacan.

And all these random-ass people started like jumping me from out the woodwork

because they're feds because they're

pre-programmed to destroy foreign antibodies

the serfs and I can't even there's so... foreign antibodies.

The serfs and I can't even, there's so many, there's like, I can't even name all of them.

It's like, let me try.

So many weird people came out the woodwork to attack soon as I came to the scene. Like, soon as I came to the scene.

Like, soon as I came to the scene, it's like, what the fuck is this?

Who are these people? Like, some random, yeah, the Sonsol, all those weird-ass people, when I first started streaming

who were those people

who were they? What the fuck?

They were so weird

and they had bots

and like the first thing that happened when I was streaming

on Twitch they raided my chat and spammed TOS in my chat to get me banned and I did get banned because I didn't know what I was doing because I didn't know that I had to moderate my own chat. So I literally got a bot attack of just pure TOS. And then I was like, I was like, oh, fuck you. I don't care. You're botting me. And then I got banned. That was crazy, dude. Yeah, the ASCII, whatever shit. Dude, dude but but you know what's scary

guys I was attacked

before

I was literally a maggot

in terms of clout

I had 30 concurrent viewers

for example.

Like, I was a nobody, guys.

I was getting attacked as a no...

It's scary.

There's actually a barrier to entry to, like, doing this.

And it activated all my schizo suspicions.

Like, were we being monitored before we were infrared?

Like, when we were just like a group chat,

theorizing about like, you know, I don't know, about like you know

I don't know about like political economy

in the age of Bitcoin or whatever

like were we like being like monitored then

because as soon as I hit the live button

I was under attack

like very severe very aggressively under attack, like right away, like literally right away.

And I'm like, that's how I know it was fed's gatekeeping, I'm like I was a nobody. Why would

anyone have beef with me? Nobody even knows who I

am. I didn't

know who they were. How did they know? Listen

I'm like a 500

follower account

and there's a

hundred thousand follower accounts attacking

me and I do not know

who they are. How do they know

who I am?

How did these people know who I was?

How did they know who I was? That's the question we need to ask. It's really weird and scary question. I didn't know who they were and they had 500 billion times more clout than I did.

They were a million times more clouded up than I was.

I didn't know who the fuck they were, and they knew who I was.

That was the spookiest, weirdest shit that I experienced when I started streaming straight up.

Like I did not know them, but they somehow knew me.

What the hell is that?

What the hell is that?

And I think the actual feds in the USA think I'm a Russian Chinese agent or Iranian agent, one of those three.

And they highly suspect I am. And I think they went extra hard against me because I had no overt ties. I wasn't on RT. I didn't come from RT. There was no

overt discernible ties that I had to any foreign government.

So it led them down a paranoid spiral where they're like,

we really got to fucking kill this guy because we don't know, what his connections are.

Like, they didn't know.

Like, they couldn't find anything overtly.

So they were like, all right, this guy's good at hiding his shit.

Like, the takeaway from it wasn't that I just had no connections.

It was that I was really excelling at hiding my connections, which made them extremely paranoid, which made them very aggressive toward me when I had very, very, very, very, very low relevancy on social media.

But they think I'm connected to China or Russia at the outset. And that's not true. I'm not connected. I wasn't connected to any of those uh countries i wasn't

connected to iran china or russia i was connected to the sarmoong brotherhood but you don't believe

that so you know keep keep keep to keep keep keep following your false leads

um and i i tell you everything on the surface and you just don't believe it keep following these

false leads to nowhere i just told told you. I just showed my cards.

Sarmoong Brotherhood with Reza Nagar Astani and others. It's not even the tip of the iceberg, all right?

I just showed you my cards, but it's so out of this world that no one will ever believe it so like yeah keep calling me

a russian agent that's exactly what we want you to think you dumb bitch it's so funny man i'm in the

most fun position in the world i'm in the most fun position in the world. I'm in the most fun position ever,

you know? Anyway,

Um...

Um...

Yeah.

Um... yeah um but like yeah i i was uploaded to the internet you know i wasn't a guy who started sharing his views online. I was fully uploaded online.

My, I am, you know, there's a, there's a new show on Netflix is called Parasite. Don't let the name fool

you.

It's like these aliens

who just assume

a human mask.

They have no

feelings.

They don't like

just straight up

just look like people

but they eat people.

And it's like,

I kind of vibe with that

because that's me.

Because I don't really have a strong sense of identity or, or, um, I don't have, I don't care that.

For a long time, I was very isolated, so I don't really care, like, oh, who am I?

Like, I don't fucking care.

So I really fully uploaded myself to the internet and became defined by it in many ways.

And I'm cool with that, because, like, I don't even care.

No, not the anime.

It's on Netflix. It's like a new

show. I didn't watch all of it. I just like

I understand the premise of it.

Like I fully

I'm uploaded to the internet and then

offline I'm just like on the toilet

taking a dump

in silence

or I'm at the gym

you know

and at first it was really tough and confusing that was the worst part it was so confusing

it was so confusing because i was never i you guys have to understand my all anyone in my life who knew me who sees me now is very confused yo lionel

what's up what's up with the five anyone who knew me in my previous life who sees me now super confused

because it's like i was never a guy who like speaks to a bunch of people

like this like who the fuck am I

and I keep trying to tell these people I'm like

I am literally a soldier for communism. I am fully

malleable and fully dynamic to the necessities of communism and following Lenin's orders. And I can literally become anything to do that. It doesn't matter. Parishue me into a fucking war zone in a battlefield.

If Lenin's ghost came to me and said,

Haas, you need to be parachuted into this war-torn country

and drive a truck into an oil tanker and blow up,

I would do it.

Hypothetically in a video game.

But ghosts are not real,

so that would never happen.

And I'm also not under any

psychotic delusions that I see or talk to ghosts.

So I don't know if what I'm saying is not allowed because like, you know, because I'm thinking they might be like, is this guy crazy?

What if he actually feel?

What if he thinks and hallucinates that he saw a ghost and then does some crazy shit?

It's a figure of speech.

I'm not a crazy person.

Or I am a crazy person, but I'm not a crazy person. Or I am a crazy person, but

I'm not a delusional person.

I'm not helping my case

at all. Alright, just take me away.

Send me to jail. It's over.

It's way too much effort

trying to explain myself. Then whatever just take me just throw me in jail

whatever it's all right i won't even resist i won't even get a lawyer this looks really bad.

Yeah, but, but no, for real, though, for real though uh uh you have to be a psychopath to scream that's actually so true you have to be a psychopath to scream. That's actually so true. You have to be a psychopath in some way.

In some way.

I'm actually extremely chill in real life.

To the point where, like, you guys didn't understand something.

Like, in real life, I don't yell.

Actually, I do when I get pissed at someone, but, like, that's not my default.

In real life, I'm so chill.

I'm so chill in real life.

I'm nothing like this at all.

I'm literally chilling in real life.

Yeah. I'm literally chilling in real life. Do people call you boring IRL?

No. no no because i'm still funny but only if i like you i've always been funny i'll say that i've always been funny i have i have always been funny i have always been funny. I have always been funny. I have always been a comedian. I have always made it my goal to make people laugh. And it's a power thing, actually. When I make people laugh, it's a, it's like a, it's like a God complex, you know?

It's like, no, I'm not doing this because I want to spread happiness.

I'm doing this.

Ain't no national he shall want to see a black man speak his mind.

You expose the white supremacy of Western leftism and the Western leftism of white supremacy.

Thank you. So I'm a little confused, but thank you. I'm going to just in good faith be like,

what's up? Thank you. Appreciate you. I'm going to just in good faith be like, what's up? Thank you.

Appreciate you.

Um,

yeah,

the schizophrenia is spreading.

But, uh,

how does this true source of power

will only be revealed when he permanently stopped shaving?

Ha ha. That'd be filthy filthy i would look horrible the thing i might do is now i'm not going to spoil that uh no no what i was trying to say

is that uh i've always been a comedian my whole life. And I've been funnier, to varying degrees, actually.

Like, listen. uh like i listen sometimes trying to be funny i've been very cringe and it's literally crickets chirping and it's just me being cringe like in high school

sometimes

sometimes I was trying to make the class laugh

and I was just

I was just making God cry

to be honest

just super cringe

no one laughing is just chirping

and you know it's crazy

like sometimes I just want to jump out of a window

thinking about it

today when I'm a 27 year old man

but it's trauma today when I'm a 27 year old man.

But it's traumas like these that make someone a true comedian.

It's traumas like these. You know? Yeah. you know trying to ris-up girls with comedy no actually uh no no no no no Uh, no.

Were you a fat child?

No, I wasn't.

Actually wasn't.

Uh... was it? Uh, I was not a fat child, but the only time in my life when I was fat was in October of last year.

How much do you do on rear delt flies, bra?

I don't even...

Ah, son, thank you so much for a 10.

I don't even know what the fuck that means, though.

So I guess you're going to get robbed of your 10.

I do...

For my...

For my... for my for my delts I use 40 I use 40 when I'm putting when I'm raising my arm side to side I use 40 and when I do it in

in front of me like the same motion but in front I do 40 pounds I don't know what rear

delts even fucking means, dude.

Anyway, um, like, I don't know what muscles mean.

Just tell me, speak in common sense, like shoulders or what?

Yeah, I still do Spartan curls.

Anyway, uh, do you do any sports?

I was horrible at sports.

Horrible at sports.

For my whole life, I was bad at sports.

Except one sport, which was, um, martial arts, which I was very fast, quick learner and good at because I'm a fast learner.

But I hated sports because I thought it was pointless, not because I couldn't do it,

but because I just was not motivated to try because I thought it was pointless.

Because I was like, why am I kicking a fucking ball around?

Who gives a fuck?

What a stupid-ass thing to do.

But martial arts, I could get into that because I was like, no, I'm actually going to fight someone and like kill them or something. Like I will need to do that. So that was my mentality. Yeah, I was I got signed up for soccer when I was like seven or something, and it was like really bad.

Um, not Krav Maga, no.

No, it's nothing you ever heard of, all right?

Uh, but what I was going to say, oh yeah, the only time I've ever been fat was in September.

That's what I want to say.

September of last year is the only time of my life I was fat.

That was the only time my life I was fat. September of last year,

up until like January of this year, I was kind of on the chunkier side of things. I was pushing it.

I was pushing it.

I got up to 200.

That was not fat.

That was the fattest I ever been, though.

And you're right, it wasn't that.

To be honest,

at that time,

I was getting a little chunky. I think it was fat like a Mongolian strong guy is fat. You know, like the Mongolian build where it's like you're short, short-limbed, but you're just big. There's like a clear layer of fat but it's like muscular bilk that's what i was the mongolian build um and then recently i lost all the weight and i'm back to 180 from 210 30 lost 30 pounds okay so that's a lot yeah 200 anything at my height is borderline fat if not fat very true

it's kind of it was kind of a powerful build

like I'm gonna be honest there was this one time

I was in a full gray adidas track suit

and it was like they were it was like a side it was a big size track suit to be fair

and i had someone take a picture of me and i looked at the picture. I was a chunky, wide motherfucker.

Like, I was big, all right?

I was in that gray Adidas track suit and I was just like, I was just big, you know?

I don't know if I say fat because fat kind of implies weak but fat like a mongolian i just like

wide and big all right even in russia when y'all saw them pictures of me i was a little bit wide you you know, less than before, but still wide.

Now I've pretty much gotten back to where I normally am, but I'm still going to lose like five more pounds, just for good measure, you know?

I'm still going to lose about five more.

But I got this slim suit now that looks really good.

And, you know, we're good.

We're good.

And guys, look how good I look.

Not anymore.

Because, you know, guys, you want to know why I can never be president in this country?

I'll tell you why.

Because Americans are anti-Semitic.

And I'm Semetic.

Why am I saying Americans are anti-Semitic?

Not because they hate Jews, but because look at how I smile.

Does that look like a...

Do I look trustworthy when I smile?

I don't.

I look like a scumbach.

I look like...

I look like that dude in Star Wars

in the first

prequel who is the

pod racer guy who is the

scumbag guy

that's what I look like when I smile

because I don't have an Aryan smile

I'm like

ha ha ha I got an agenda.

You know?

But I'm just not

trustworthy looking.

I'm not a bad, I don't think I'm a bad

dude, but I just, I don't look trustworthy

to Americans. I just don't.

Something very nefarious about how, yeah,

Levantine Hagler.

That's exactly it. That's exactly it. I got that

Levantine Hagler.

Like, what price are we going?

Let me sell you something.

Let me get this at the best price.

I look like a Levantine haggler.

Like, I'm literally haggling.

And that's what makes my political career very tough in this country i'm not going to lie

phoenician merchant um yeah the used car salesman that's that's my biggest obstacle um but yeah i also got the lights

should I change the lights

I got them yellow again

because I feel like yellow is a little more flattering

to my

I need like better skin right now.

Skin smoothness and, like, dryness or whatever.

I need to make my skin smoother.

So this is just more flattering for now.

When I get better skin, I will make it more natural looking again.

Hello, my friend.

Yeah, very true.

Very true.

Um...

But yeah, I think...

I would prefer, you know...

I'm not going to reveal how I want to be seen because then the FBI would go out of their way to do the opposite.

Anonymous, what's up?

Should I not buy things from countries that do not have the best labor practices?

Sorry, new to this.

I mean, just buy whatever you want, dude.

Thank you for the five, though.

Buy whatever gets you the best deal.

We're not all...

I mean, you must be... If you're rich,'re rich i don't know how listen if you're so rich

where you can afford to buy whatever you want please just send me one hundred dollars right now

pay i'm taxing you i'm taxing you if you are taxing you. If you are that rich, donate $100 right now. Otherwise,

get what you can fucking afford, dude. If you can get something cheap, I don't know if you're

not paying bills out here, but it seemed like it would be out

of necessity, you would just get the cheap thing. If you're so privileged that you can just be like,

oh, should I, I'm just going to choose countries with better labor practices.

You must be loaded, dude.

Give me a hundred.

Give me, give me a Benjamin.

Because I know it means nothing to you.

That's my merchant speaking.

Fuck paying bills.

You know, if we all stopped paying taxes,

they can't round all of us up.

And like, why are we still paying taxes?

That's what I... How many y'all just paid your taxes?

Because I did.

Yo, Alte!

What the fuck?

Alte with a fat 25 subs

That's a fat

25

Wow wow yeah why are we paying taxes in 2024 why did i pay taxes in twenty twenty four why did i pay taxes

in twenty twenty four because we're all being pussies that's why if we all stopped they can't stop all of us. When I say all the whole country, I'm not just saying all of us. Because they'll, they'll listen, don't think we as infrared can go against the government. The government will literally round up every single gorilla and slaughter us in a ditch like wacko times five.

If every infrared person just started defying the government, We would all get rounded up

by black helicopters

taken to a

FEMA campsite

and we would all just get

shot in the head

and thrown in a ditch

and there would be no infrared anymore.

That's what would happen if we defy the government.

So I'm saying the whole country has to do it, not just us.

The whole country does.

Because we would be very easy to eliminate.

And maybe I'm giving the governments

of funny ideas when they're watching.

When the CIA, I know they watch me,

they're like, you know what, Haas,

we've tried everything.

And that might be all we can do.

We're just going to have to kill all of you.

Nobody's going to miss you.

Everyone will celebrate it.

Think about it.

If the CIA decided to kill

every single infrared person,

Pan-leftist would celebrate it,

the far right would celebrate it,

centrist would celebrate it. Centrist would celebrate it.

Nobody would cry for us.

Except the whole world outside of America.

They would actually be outraged.

But like, nobody in Americaica no political faction in america would

defend us isn't that crazy is that crazy yankee tankie i'd cry for y'all you know what yankee

yankee i don't care what new thing you're on right now I'd cry for y'all. You know what, Yankee,

I don't care what new thing you're on right now.

What do you mean you'd cry for you?

You would be with us, dude.

Don't think you're going to worm your way out of this shit.

You would be rounded up the same.

You'd think they're going to make an exception for you, dude?

No way. He said,

Yankees making it seem like he would not be swept up.

They don't, he's making it seem like he would just be smoking a cigarette.

Sitting on a rocking chair on his front.

Oh, that's a damn shame.

It's a damn shame what they did to them

infrared, folks.

It's a damn shame.

You'll be in that ditch with us, dude.

Come on.

They wouldn't care.

They would indiscriminate.

They would indiscriminate.

They would take everyone.

Yeah. indiscriminately it would take everyone they're not that specific all right they just they'll take anyone

and just because you're in this chat right now

they would Yeah, no, Yankee Tanky would do, would do like the the meme where he's like

then he just disappears he like fades away he's like

he'd be like

then he fades away

that's what would happen the feds comes

now can you guys imagine this

forget about us like let's say the feds

want to arrest yankee tankie for whatever

reason like for anything

it'll be literally anything

they bust down his door

and they find hey drop

he's not even holding anything.

Come out peacefully. This is what Yang Yutang would do.

And then he would slowly fade away and disappear.

Damn it!

We'll get them next time.

This is the 10th time this happened.

That's literally what would happen. But, um...

But, um... but um Yeah.

Yeah. yeah charm

all right charm hole is coming in

I don't I don't know how I feel about charm whole

being in my physical presence

without 10 security guards between us, to be honest.

Charmhole is literally the number one security risk of whatever attempt.

I don't know about this.

I don't know about it.

I don't like this at all that

already doesn't sound good that already doesn't sound good at all um code along is literally the most disgusting

we have as a community

and we are literally strategizing how to get rid of a site we have as a community.

And we are literally strategizing how to get rid of him.

But he is so aggressive in his alt.

He's such a fucking loser.

He literally will not stop he keeps making

alts we ban every single

he just doesn't stop

he doesn't care how much he's caught

or hated

dude get a fucking job

why doesn't he get a job

like he doesn't even have a life.

Why do all these fucking people come from Australia who are like this?

Or the UK.

Dude, what is, what did we do to deserve this? What the fuck?

Every time he joins

it's the same bullshit too

he joins talking about

AI exotic wives

um

what else what is this guy he always

the same subjects

AI foreign wives uh migrants and he just says weird shit bushcraft yeah bushcraft shit. Bushcraft.

Yeah, Bushcraft.

He is literally

fucking making infrared like the TSA

where it's going to be extremely

a... Cote along is the Osama

bin Laden of infrared. That's the

truth.

Because because of his fucking unprecedented psychotic antics,

you know we're having a new thing where every new member who joins,

we're going to make them do the Amazon Alexa test.

They all have to be... Everyone is code along

until proven otherwise by Alexa.

Who confirms what time it is.

Logo is asking to come on.

Where?

Where's logo?

Where's logo?

It's logo.

You know, ask cause if he wants me on.

Yes. Of course. Yes. if he wants me on yes of course if that's actually logo you know on instagram there was like a logo impersonator

and I actually thought it was him because I'm an idiot

and actually was just some guy impersonating

him. But all he said was like, yo,

what's up? And I was like, yo, what's up, man? And that's it.

But it actually wasn't him.

That's the worst thing you can call him yeah if logo wants to get in show queue or and i'll bring him up. But, um,

is that Codalong and, I don't know, dude.

Anyway, look, as I was saying,

um,

Cot Along is making it so that to come into IGB,

it's just like airports now.

Because of what Osama bin Laden did, I mean, we know it was

an inside job, but it's like part of the joke, right?

Because of what he

did, it's like the

T, you know, but the airports before you just

fucking walk through, right? But because

some fucking

asshole

decided to do some crazy shit,

now you have the TSA.

It's the same shit

when it comes to IGB.

Now every new account

is code along until proven otherwise

by Alexa and we're

going to have our own

KSA

sorry

ASA Alexa Alexa Alexa security sorry a alexa

security

administration

is in show

Q

yo hello

hello yeah what's yo hello hello

yo what's up man

yo it's actually you what's up

yeah yeah it's me i've been busy but i saw you were uh i was just like i was

literally just like sweeping and vacuuming i I saw you were streaming right now.

They're oh, maybe I'll park the house right now.

It's the end of my day.

So what's up?

Yo, what's up, man?

All right, to start, I already DM'd you a little bit about the show that I watched.

Are you recommended?

Oh, yeah, Jericho.

Did you watch the whole thing?

I didn't watch the whole thing,

unfortunately.

I got caught up.

But I watched a lot of the first season.

It's so fucking good, dude.

I love that so. Yeah, dude. It's so good.

Yeah, it's actually,

everything you said it would be,

it's actually really,

it says actually also just a good show too,

like good characters,

good character development.

Yeah, it was like the peak

of like that type of, uh,

I use the term soap opera with affection

in this sense, but there's like very much

like a really well-coordinated soap opera

in like a post-apocalyptic

scenario, but it has

such a, uh,

revolutionary politics

in it

that has never really

been approximated since

in my opinion

by American TV

yeah I mean

like we said last

and they can't do it

they literally can't get away with it

and it's like

no it's it would be considered

like a domestic terror threat

to like air the show again.

It'd be like Q and on fucking...

Yeah, straight up.

Because it's literally about

how like the United States government,

the deep state is like the enemy.

And they've like done

a false flag attack on America

and like are using private

mercenaries to police like

the patriots who are trying to put the country

back together after the fact.

It's literally like there would not be allowed to do

it it's actually amazing that they did it back when they did it because it was like 2004 2006

but you can still get away with it because it was like anti bush which was still like uh i remember that

i remember back then,

even Alex Jones was not considered

like a dangerous guy back

then. Oh, Alex Jones used to be like,

that's the funny thing about like Austin, Texas

and stuff. Like Alex Jones was like a countercultural

figure for like Gen X.

Yeah, yeah.

I got to ask you this. Did you see

Civil War the movie?

No, no, dude. I'm so... I can't

keep up with anything. I see that it's out, but I'm

never going to watch it. Really?

I don't... I don't know if it's really... I'm an old man now, dude. I'm never going to watch it. Really? I don't...

I don't know if it's really... I'm an old man now, dude.

I'm an old man. I just mean for purely pragmatic

purposes, like I'll probably see it like six

months. I don't...

I... Yeah, yeah, I gets you on there.

I saw... I don't really

think it's a must watch

necessarily.

I think, but it

does kind of capture a zeitgeist.

I'm not saying it's a great film.

But it's like, it definitely like

very timely, you know, to be honest.

It's like, you watch it and it's like wow this is but my

theory was that it's a sciop to like tell americans not to have a civil war because it would be

really bad but i mean i don't think it's going to work, though, because people are already

understand, like, even the movie's very biased, and they're like, oh, this is

Democrat propaganda, and it's like, they're right, it is.

I don't know. There's a, I've been feeling sort of, uh, I guess, at the same time as, like,

I don't, I'm not really active as much

as I used to be. I'm like Billy being a dad, but

I'm mostly involved with like, you know,

talking to parents at the playground and things like

this now. Like I spend much less

time online. And it's amazing

how much there's a sort of eerie calmness

over everything. Like no one really wants to

talk about any of these things, at least in the

milieu that I'm in right now. Like, it's

it's, uh, it's, uh,

it's, it's like the most apolitical

time period I've ever lived through, I think.

When it, when it comes to like day to day

interactions like on the internet it's the complete

opposite obviously

they're like it's sort of like everyone's like a little superhero

with their like alter ego on the internet

or whatever now. It's so true

I mean I was just thinking about it

and yeah I was actually I was just thinking about it.

And yeah.

I was actually, I was thinking about this because I walk around and I look and I see people and I'm like, which one of you, like, I can just like, like, like, because at the same time, like, I'm walking around, like, pushing a stroller, like, doing chores, but I'm listening to like a Baptist preacher

talking about the red hecker's

and things like this and might want your bud.

And I'm looking around thinking like,

who makes me, who makes it would be

raptured? Like, who's ready for this shit?

That's about to go down.

You know what?

I just realized something.

Anytime I go anywhere now,

and it wasn't like this two years ago,

there is no political discussion

going on because everyone's

fucking scared to.

Yeah, no one will

broach it at all.

But there's also like an implicit

everyone is like aware

and on edge.

Like yeah, we all are tapped

into like a political consciousness

like hyper aware of political consciousness like hyper

aware of political consciousness but we're not going to

talk about it because like are you on the

right side? Are you on this side?

Like every that's how you know.

It's over determined. That's why shit

might go down to be honest.

It's kind of

very...

So this is how I see things playing out.

So I think it'll

just be that a like, like,

honestly, like, as much as

it seems like Trump could like easily

win just from the fact that everyone

hates Biden that much and that would lead

to like, you know, a whole new round of like

chaos in the American political situation.

I honestly just don't think that

like they're like

they can obviously just like rig the elections

and have Joe Biden

win sort of step down where we have like

Queen Kamala overseeing

the uh the uh

entering like you know

low grade warfare with uh

the three rival powers

like in bricks and things like this.

I don't think it's like that far

out of the realm of possibility.

You know, things just kind of like

clunk along like this.

You know what?

I think feminists might be right, though,

about one thing.

You know, maybe there is something about america where if we ever have a female president that's when we're gonna have yeah no i think that like like no i see like i honestly see, like, I honestly, like, I'm more of, like, uh, like, the way I see it is like, um, I try to explain this on Twitter yesterday or whatever. I was like, no, it's like the difference between, like, what our views and like these people who are like, for instance, yesterday blocking the Golden Gate Bridge

for commuters to go, oh, Palestine,

Palestine. The difference between us

and them is that, like, we're not, like, seeking

to, like, press a button in the exact moment

or whatever, because we know that there's nothing

that you can do in this exact moment.

Like, this is, like, Lenin in the year 1900 this exact moment. Like, this is, like,

Lenin in the year 1900, you know?

Like, we're, like, hitting the books and things like

this. We have, like, a long-term view of these

things. But I sort of think that, like,

the, like, a third world war, like,

is pretty much inevitable at this point.

All signs

are pointing to go. The plans have

been laid since like the 70s. I was listening

to Hudson put out a recent thing.

He did an interview, but it's on his

website right now. If you all in the chat

want to read it, it's the most recent thing

on his website,

Michael Hudson.com,

where he's talking about his own experience at like the K-A,

like, you know, in the, like,

with the Rand Corp type people or whatever,

back in the 70s.

And like, some of these people are now

like the head of Mossad and stuff like that.

I read.

I read that.

Yeah.

All of this has been planned in advance.

Like there's no like the notion that there's some sort of like activism that we can do to like change these plans that have been put into place like over 50 years ago.

I think it's just retarded.

Like, there's nothing we can do about that.

It's like, no, I'm totally trying to understand.

The people in power never could have envisioned this scenario of you handing out the buyers.

You know, you know what would scare the shit out of them

if nobody ever did anything at all?

That would actually

say the fuck on them. Actually, what you said about

like 10 minutes ago is what I would actually scare the

fuck out of them. People who have been filed taxes

this year. If everyone just said, you know what, not

this year? That's the only

thing that... There was actually

a thing on, sometimes my

Twitter for you shows me something good. It was this

girl who is in the David

Foster Wallace archive, and I think

it's some Texas University has it.

But his last book

famously, the Pale King is about the IRS

and he became obsessed with like the tax

code. He was writing a novel about like taxes

and things like this and like changes in the IRS

and like the 90s.

He was like studying to be a CPA

and things like this. Like he was like learning like the real like hard science of taxation in America basically but um there's a letter where he was talking to someone at the IRS and he was like how many people would have to not pay taxes for like the system to basically crumble.

And the guy at the IRS said, oh, we've done the research on this and we're not going to

tell you that number.

There's no way we're going to tell you what that number is.

Yeah, it kind of seems like it would probably be a way lower number than we think.

It's a way lower number that anyone would expect.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I mean, but you know, roping back to it a little bit to Kamala, I just kind of think

Americans would never tolerate

Kamala Harris being president

Like we can tolerate

Joe Biden

Who's like a senile

We kind of enjoy hating the president

Like that's actually

Like that's sort of some, that's

why that we're talking about the Bush era, right? Like, that was like

a time of, in my memory now, it was like a time

of, like, extreme, like, cultural

cohesion and things like that.

So, like, the ability for people to

come together around things.

I'm not, I'm not saying this. saying this i'm not actually like unironically

saying like i'm feminist but there is something about revolutions being created in response

to women becoming some like the symbol of authority and every single one that's happened i'm thinking

of it now that was the context like france you had marie antoinette and then in russia you had the

zarina who was accused of, like,

Infantic Island and stuff.

And, like...

There's all great's cases as well.

Like, I always just think of Queen Elizabeth

like, like, Catherine the Grey or, like, other examples.

But, yeah.

No, I see what you're getting at.

I think it would be more that, like,

Kamala was someone who's effectively, like, the representative of, like, complete, like, you know, say what you will about Joe Biden, obviously, but he's, like, been there for so long, like that he was sort of, like, predetermined to be there.

He was, quote, quote unquote qualified for it

even if like someone like Hillary Clinton

I could have imagined the Hillary Clinton

presidency I don't think that would have spawned a revolution

but someone like Kamala Harris is

has no reason

for being where she is at all like she's completely

lost she's like I think that's what would outrage people.

And it's not like just because all they're misogynistic.

It's kind of like a thing.

I also think America is different from other countries in that, you know, we represent.

I don't want to, like, use words incorrectly,

but we do kind of, or in a cringe way, but like, we do represent this kind of, like, logocentric technological civilization, like the apex of it,

which is obviously

like a very masculine...

We're like a schiz...

I was thinking the polarity of like

schizophrenia, autism,

psychopathy and sociopathy

and sort of like making

a cardinality out of this, we're like

a schizo-autist country.

Yeah. Which is definitely like male-coded,

I think. Yeah, exactly. And I

don't think we will ever have a female

president unless we're,

well, not in a foreseeable not like now you know i don't

know if there's a different scenario i you know what i think i think the only countries where you can

have a female president are ones that are somehow like organically or sat trapeze oh i was thinking of the exact opposite

that's that's also possible but when you have ones that are already somehow like united um

where people like already uh have a sense of of commonality or whatever

and you're just preserving

the status quo like yeah

it's not it doesn't cause too much of a ruckus

like Germany is a great example of that right

but in the US

where we're only united by our political system and nothing else, like literally nothing else is keeping anything together, I think that would be a recipe for a disaster, actually.

Yeah. Like, that would accelerate collapse

I just think I just think that like what I'm saying is that like I think that like a third

like the sort of escalation of military military actions that has been ongoing for like years now at this point,

which seems to have no off-ramp either.

I think it'll just like create like a sort of zone of exception

for like the normative processes of democracy anyway.

So like the idea, like, you know what I mean?

Like so it's not, it doesn't really matter like what the legit, this former sense of legitimacy of elections.

Like, all of that's already out the window.

So, like, I think really, like, the revolutionary situation is really, like, when America's defeated in that conflict, which I think is also inevitable.

Um, I, I don't see, like, people, people, like I think is also inevitable. I don't see...

Like, people, people...

Like, everyone who's so bullish on, like, the prospect of the American Empire or whatever,

in terms of, like, a global geopolitical conflict, I think they're just, like,

hopping their own farts or something at this point.

I mean, look, it's so clear to me that people, we are not discursively caught up to what has actually happened in the world.

I'm speaking to the choir right now, obviously, you know this.

Yeah.

With China and Russia

and this new economic systems

being built. But

I'm worried more

immediately because I think you're right, and it

is going to be... I mean, like, I love to

fantasize that we're getting a civil war in

2024, but it's way more likely we're getting a civil war in 2024, but

it's way more likely we're getting a

world war instead.

Because what? They're just going to let the system

collapse. No, they're going to do everything they can to save

it, and all they have left,

like you said, is a world war, right?

I mean, we're at the point

right where it's like the recent

like arms sales to Israel for instance

are a completely unprecedented situation

where there's like actually no

process of legitimizing it whatsoever

it was literally done like

officially under the

cover, under the table.

You know what I mean?

Here's something that noticed.

Priminally doing this.

Before I get to like what I'm worried about

immediate. I mean, I'm actually a spoiler.

It's obvious. We're going to get rounded up and arrested.

But you know, I worry me. Yeah, yeah, it's obvious. We're going to get rounded up and arrested. But, you know, I worry. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I've also been noticing, like, how is the world war going to be justified, right? And some people might think that, oh, it's going to be justified, you know, in this ideological thing of democracy.

And, you know, I know you're not being attention to, like, latest trends.

You know, there's this new game called Hell Divers.

Everyone's playing.

Yes, yes.

I know what Hell Divers.

I pay attention enough.

Okay, okay.

I think I'm going to get what you're going with this.

This sort of like post-Ironic.

Exactly.

Nobody actually believes in America's values or its self-proclaimed ideology or its principles, but there is this kind of fascistic, like, over-identification.

I've been predicting this for forever.

Basically what it is.

It doesn't appeal to any sort of collective sense of anything.

It's just saying this is a means by which you could self-actualize and like your individual

like heroism or whatever.

Right?

It doesn't matter what the cause is.

It doesn't matter what the meaning is in some sort of discursive social friends. All that matters is that you can grind for experience and you can unlock the next weapon

or whatever for yourself. Like in this

conflict could be any conflict. It's like

Starship Troopers basically where it's like

no one thinks we're justified

here but then this

fascistic kind of romanticism

irrationalism will kick in.

And it's almost like this is, it's almost like fallout says war never changes.

This is another.

Yeah.

This is going to be when the new Roman Empire rises and Baron Trump is going to become the new concre

and I'm noticing

all these

like gay

excuse my

bench but I'm

noticing all this like

Warhammer

Yeah like on Twitter

everyone's like

like Baron Trump

is going to be

then he is the next

Caesar of America

and it's like

everyone is trying to kind of like lay claim to some kind of like sense of the metaphysical to escape the immediacy of the content of political struggle and conflict today.

So there's kind of like escaping into,

like you said, Warhammer or the Roman Empire

or something where they want to larp

and basically, it's just like what fascism

was doing back in the day.

And it's like, basically

this over-ironic and it's like basically this ironic

overidentification

with democracy

and our values

not because anyone

believes in it

but because it's like

it really is a way

for just like

assert the raw

power of America

and have a sense of pride and

empowerment in that like you mentioned

and it's like I see

it's so fucking obvious

how much a sciop

and how intentional that siop and how intentional that

siop was to cultivate that culture

among gamers

yeah i think hell divers too is a fed

funded game i don't care

if it is or not it's certainly

it's a european thing i believe right like it's like a sw a European thing I believe right

like it's like a Swedish

game company or something

I don't remember

that's yeah

that's literally

the vanguard

it's not just Sweden

it's also the

Reddit belt

of Lithuania Latvia

yeah yeah

that's where like

NAFO and the NATO, the new, you know, we always were thinking.

I don't know if you were thinking, but it was like, how is NATO going to be ideologically

acceptable to the new generation?

It's ridiculous.

This is literally like

outdated infrastructure. Who is

going to die for NATO? And it's like...

They really did a brand update.

They really figured it out.

They have the right brand nailed down.

It's literally Nazism. It's literally

it's literally fascism. It's literally, it's literally

fascism of like this destructive,

nihilistic,

psychotic, like,

vapor wave, NATO edits. Democracy is

non-negotiable. And it's like...

Gay marriage is non-negotiable. Yeah. like... Gay marriage is non-negotiable.

Yeah, and it's...

You will accept progressive values.

And it's like being led by like

transgender gamers

and it all worked out perfectly.

It literally all worked out perfectly.

Yeah, I think so you know how

like hellbibbers, right? That came like the big discourse around at the same time

with people who are like oh is starship star ship troopers it's meant to be a satire or not supposed to think

it's based or whatever but actually it's perfect like that's one of the ways in which the film

actually failed completely because even satirizing this sort of thing

it doesn't really matter because if you're enjoying it as a satire

and you're like oh wouldn't it be funny if I like ironically did Starship Troopers

because I'm in the know that it's a satire

there's no difference between that and just like being like

this is cool because big guns shooting alien bugs or whatever like

They're like this the sense that there's like an intellectual divide like this in this chaseling between the people who just like watch starship troopers are like that seems cool and the people watching the go

Oh, I'm in the know that this is a satire

and it's actually bad.

They're the same.

It's the same fucking thing.

It doesn't matter if it's a satire.

It works.

It has the same effect.

Literally.

Exactly.

And.

Well, it's the same thing like Nazism.

I don't really believe that the thing like Nazism. Like, do you...

I don't really believe that the people, like, actually believed in, like, all of this,

like, you know, woo magic and all this sort of stuff.

Like, oh, like, I don't, like, earnestly believe that they truly believed in it themselves.

Like, I think it's just... It's fun to present like complete nonsense

as like a screen to

just, you know, we'll, like,

follow your individual self-interest at a certain point.

And I think there's this, it's also, I think, I think the

the metaphysical

position

represented by it or taken

on by it is basically like

all, the

basis of Western rationalism

on the overt level has broken

down. So we're going to bluff that it still has a secret...

And by the way, Western rationalism, it's a synonym for political liberalism, for capitalism, like, it's all the same thing, right? And all of this is broken down and it's irreparable

in the face of its contradictions.

So the metaphysical

gesture taken on by this kind

of fascism, and including the

Starship troopers or Helldivers version,

is more or less saying

that, okay, overtly, we're not going to even pretend to try and defend it, but, you know, behind that at the level of, at the level of aesthetics and at the level of this kind of this mystique of eternal kind of ancient Rome and war eternal war never changes that kind of sublimation if you want to call it, of the failure of Western

modernity, let's say, that is just kind of a bluff, never realized, but it's almost like

today's

um

gamer

uh ideologist

has to

do put in a lot of work

to continue to bluff that like

no no if I'm going to do this vapor wave edit of like this Roman statue and like you don't get it, dude, but like somewhere in there is going to contain the key to like understanding everything about the world and everything that matters.

And it's like, it's clearly a bluff to postpone a confrontation with contradiction, right?

Absolutely.

Well, the other thing, right, is that at the end of, like,

it doesn't matter how much anyone I'm believing in it,

because what they really come down to at the end of the day,

like you push and prod these people to, like,

the very end of their discourse, they go, well and prod these people to, like, the very end of their

discourse, they go, well, we have bigger guns, like, we have more science and technology, and

that's, like, the realization of, like, will the power in the world.

So, like, if we want to dominate the world, we'll just dominate the world.

Like, you know, good luck, hooties and whatever, we'll just send ships over

because we have all the tech-based technology,

etc. So really, what I'm saying, like,

as I've been saying, like, the only way that this

contradiction will actually be faced is when

it's like, okay, well, call your bluff.

Like, here it is. You have to go do the thing that you say

you're capable of doing,

and then they're just not.

And then it'll just be something that they have to be reckoned with

because there's no way

to like rationalize against like a defeat in reality.

So I don't really see any other like,

there's no like warning.

Like I don't know.

I've got Cassandra's syndrome like

I can predict the future but no one is going to

do anything differently. Here's the thing

leftists always fearmonger about

fascism but

this is going to be taken out of context

but it's like you know what

whenever we go over whenever, the powers that be go

overtly fascist, that's literally when they just shit the bed, when their bluff was called,

and they're going to go to war, and that's their last card. And it's like Germany went

fascist and then

what was the actual result

of that? The result of that

was that the USSR took half of Europe.

So it's like

that's when the ruling class

goes fascist, you really know they're on their last leg and they're just about to be defeated, is what I mean.

Precisely.

Like, I don't see like the project for a new American century is a failure, but they're not going to stop trying to implement

the plans

that have been

being implemented

for 50 fucking years,

you know?

Like,

as Hudson says

in my latest thing,

he's like,

there is no plan B.

Like,

they don't plan around

a plan B.

If you don't,

if you're not,

uh,

contributing to like the,

the if you don't, if you're not contributing to like the the development and refinement of plan A in this sense, like, of like this

unipolar domination of the globe,

if you're not like working to

help implement that, then you're just not getting

promoted in the system. Like you'll just be like

like that, like you're just not listened to.

Like, that's the only voice that anyone

in power wants to hear is, like, how

do we help accomplish the goal that we've established

as the goal? Like, there's not, like, there's no

discourse about it. Like, there's,

there's not meant to be. It's, it a, you know, it's like Lipman said that

like democracy

was too important

to be left up

to the people

you know

it's like democracy

is non-negotiable

like this plan

is non-negotiable

it's being implemented

there's nothing we can do about it

we did have to wait

until the fucking contradictions become apparent there's nothing we can do about it. We did have to wait until

the fucking contradictions become

apparent to the degree that they're like

undeniable in the sense of like a military defeat.

It's like the Russian czarist, right?

Whereas like there was nothing

you could say at the time to

like Lenin couldn't have caused the Bolshevik revolution

before the,

the,

before World War I,

before like the,

you know,

that's,

that's something else.

I mean,

we find a lot of consolation

that China's also planning.

But another thing is that even when it comes to the Palestine stuff, you know, so many of these people do not appreciate that what led the events to happen in the way they did was the result of a lot of long-term planning by the axis

of resistance, which is Iran, you know, Hezbollah, Hamas, whatever. Like, they didn't just do that

as a random act of protest. There was a a lot a lot of planning that went into it

and which and and and it's still like that plan is and like the real conflict people need to understand

this the real conflicts that happen in the world are not between like activists and you know

people who are just like i guess i guess sitting in power um just because just because they have the

might to it's it's a conflict between different plans that are clashing,

you know?

Yeah.

And different strategies. And it's like they don't have that.

They don't have a strategy.

The problem with the Palestine movement in the U.S., they don't have a strategy.

I saw a video of them, like like walking. No, they're actually

actually like they're they exist and they're kind of

tolerated because they actually help to

preserve a sort of

general like I'd prefer not to be involved

feeling around the whole thing.

Because, like, you want to be identity, if you're a normal person, right?

Like, you know, if you're a normal person,

like me at this point, like,

you've got fucking kids to take care of

and shit like that. You don't want

to be like, oh yeah, I like these people

who are just like doing vandalism and just causing, like, just sabotaging the daily livelihoods of normal people so they can scream about something that is like an obscure issue to me, which is happening on literally the other side of the world.

Like, no one wants to be a part of that.

I honestly think... They're allowed

because they're negative propaganda.

They make the whole thing work bad.

The best thing that could have been organized at a national

level, and I would have participated

in it, is a tax strike.

That would have been so

I mean that's literally all we need.

Oh dude, that's how you get in real big trouble

though, you know? Like that's that, you know, they don't

fuck around with that. See, everyone wants

to do it, but no one wants to like be the ones. That's the

basis of legitimacy. That's the,

that's been the basis of legitimacy

for regimes since, as

Hudson notes, like, into, that's like

from before there was even fucking currency.

Like, that's the basis of legitimacy.

No, yeah, that's what I mean.

Like, I, I, I kind of

wish we all like

we were all like hooked up into

Neurilink and that way we could just have a decentralized

one we're like they won't be able to pinpoint

like we'd all read each other's thoughts

basically they won't

they won't be able to pinpoint the one guy

who like started it but it'll just, like, spread

spontaneously. Like, we could all read each other's minds, like, all right, let's stop paying taxes.

That way, they can't get us all, right?

They can't, because the issue is if someone tries to organize it they're really fucked you know

before it even

it's sort of like like in like when you're in high school or whatever

you try to organize like a walkout or something right

where it's like oh well actually that's the one thing you're not allowed to do

like I remember actually in my high school

there was like senior pranks and things like this, right?

But it became like codified.

This is like such a great metaphor for America.

The senior prank every year had to be approved by the administration.

So like the student representatives would be like,

this is the prank we're going to do.

And it would have to be sort of approved.

That's so good. Because there were like too many

I know, dude. Because there were

pranks before that like ended up with like

the police involved and kids getting in trouble

like, you know, things like that. So they were like, hey,

what if we just like take this inside the system,

right? And we like have a

like a government

approved uh protest, right?

Yeah. A government approved walkout, etc. So it becomes

like codified as a sort of civic ritual. So you can like feel like you're doing

something, but it doesn't have like the substance that it does when it's actually like this sort of civic ritual. So you can like feel like you're doing something, but it doesn't have like

the substance that it does when it's actually

like this sort of spontaneous movement.

You know what? That reminds me. I don't know if I ever told

you this when I went to D.C. in

like November or whatever for the Tim Pool shit.

But you know what?

I was in D.C.

I was in front of the White House.

I don't know when the last time he went there was.

It's been a while.

I was walking around, like, all around the White House and Congress and Senate.

Everywhere you go,

it's literally like a Disney

theme park where there are

plaques and memorials

and information

boards that will tell

you about the history of

protests and protesting

like here. And I'm not talking about something that happened

in the 60s or 100 years ago.

I go into their museum,

the National Museum that's run

by the government in D.C. And they literally

memorialize the protests as recent as the Iraq War and BLM in 2020.

And it's all this, they literally have the signs on display and they like memorialize and glorify them.

And then I go in front of the White House.

This is right in front of the White House,

right in front of the White House lawn, right?

And there's a guy, and I know that guy's a fucking fed,

who's like, he seems like he's a homeless guy, and he's got like a tent. And this tent, he's supposed to be like a guy protesting. And he's got signs and flags from every single CIA funded separatist and color revolution movement around the world.

So he's got the free Turkestan

flag, free Tibet,

you know, free whatever, Darfur.

Every single

like liberal NGO

protest, BLM,

he's got all of it.

And then for good measure, someone threw in a Palestine flag.

I doubt that was CIA, but I don't know.

But it's like, that's right in front of the White House.

That's right in front of where the president of the U.S. lives. That's literally in D.C., the capital. The whole regime that we have is literally run by hippies from the 1960s who were part of the counterculture and the culture of protest.

That is literally who runs the government right now.

And the whole ideology that governs us is based on, you know, civil society, activism,

whatever, and you're encouraged to do it.

So people think it's somehow revolutionary,

but it's like,

it's not revolutionary

when the capital of the regime

is literally creating a theme park

around what you're doing.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is a, this is like,

so I've been connecting a lot of

docs after reading Temples of the Enterprise

because there's a, the whole section,

I read this on a space on

Saturday, but this whole section

on the original

like these, like cities like trade being, I know, cities of refuge for like

murderers and things like this and like archaic times, being the first like apolitical

as in like not a police, not organized as like a city state or anything like this,

but there were literally like zones of exception that were on the edge of like various like sort of,

somewhat delineated like ethnos, like tribal, uh, kinship relationships, etc.

But that's really, like,

I would consider this, like, in, uh, like,

you read, like, Thessalonians or in the New Testament or whatever,

when it describes, like, the Antichrist as the spirit of lawlessness or, like,

anarchy.

But this is really, like, what is actually the governing, um,

ideologies, like, and this is, again, like actually the governing ideologies like

and this again, like obviously it's

we're speaking to the choir here to talk about like anarchist

fascists, the sort of anarcho tyranny

the sort of like imperial

anarchy like the real

anarchists being the world bankers

and things like this.

This makes much more sense than to

think that they have any sort of positive

program. Like there's the irony

of describing what the rules

based order, but what it really means is

a geopolitical

anarchy, which is a

foundational for the

school of thought for like international relations

that tends to be cultivated in

America in particular is this notion

that there's a fundamental state of anarchy

and that this fundamental state of anarchy

is kind of like

God, like God's will,

like God's decree.

And that's something I'd also emphasize though is that

you know, I kind of hate Hudson

for releasing that book because literally

for one year,

I thought I'm going to be the one because all that stuff that he

was writing about temples of enterprise all those blog posts from the 90s and the 2000s he has on

his website yeah all of that is literally like the subject of a huge portion of my book

and I thought I was going to be like

oh I'm going to really shine a lot of light on this

and be super unique and original

and then he releases a whole book dedicated

to it and I'm like

wow I really got to

revise a lot of things.

I think he knows that he's,

how old he is, because he's really been going hard.

Like, he's not like, he's could dress things up a lot more,

but now he's like, yeah, the Zionists aren't even people.

So, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I think even beginning, see, beginning in ancient Greece, there's a lot to be said about this. Like, you can talk about it for hours, but what I would say is like a lot of people have a conception. This is, let's look at Hobbs and John Locke, whatever. A lot of people have a conception of political power,

which is actually just an extension of what Engels calls,

and I integrate this with Hudson, Gentile Society.

So Gentile Society is based on like the immediacy of kinship relationships, the tribe the gens uh the family whatever we're basically like your authority is like an immediate chief it's something immediate in

your community your community is usually no longer no more than than 250 people, whatever. You have a chief, and he's literally a guy who's like, you know him in person, right? So people extend the Gentile political power to, um, just to, they scale it up and they're like, that's, that's what ancient

Egypt was. That's what ancient Babylonia was. It was just the chief, but he was just really powerful.

But what they don't realize, like you said, is that the temple was apolitical, right? So it represented, and the way it represented the commonality of

the whole people is that it mediated the differences between these different tribal groups that had

chiefs, that had their own patriarchal authorities.

And not only would it take the murderers and the runaways,

it would take the disabled,

it would take people who couldn't integrate,

it would take maybe widows,

people who couldn't really find a social standing. It would also take people whose whole wealth

was destroyed and needed to

work land that was owned

by the temple and exchange, and that's

kind of the origin of debt. I'm not going to get into it.

But through

the kind of, it's almost like a

state of exception in a way, through the exceptionalities in these Gentile communities, as well as through mediating their differences, that is how temples first acquired um first acquired

yeah but no no

they acquire authority later

when temples themselves became

memorialized

because they somehow got caught up

in conflict and the way they got

caught up in conflict was through an way they got caught up in conflict

was through an extreme...

There's something I'm kind of adding to Hudson that I don't

really think he goes into...

Which is the nomadic...

Because temples, remember, they mediate

the relationships between sedentary

patriarchical groups. But nomads... they mediate the relationships between sedentary patriarchal

groups but no

nomads

when they come and they arrive and nomads

fight amongst themselves right

and when temples

literally get in the crossfire of the

conflicts between nomads at At a certain point, nomads make an alliance with farmers. And that alliance becomes memorialized in a new kind of temple structure

which is no longer

just a temple but it's a tomb

right?

The tomb is

a seat of political authority.

The first authority was based

on

literally death cults, right? memorializing fallen heroes or a fallen hero, right? And that is how it becomes an actual political authority. So at no point is just like a chief ruling over everyone

as in like scaling up.

That's not how it works.

From the very outset, the state

is always an impersonal authority.

And all that happens

is it becomes memorialized

and it acquires

personality in the form

of monarchy and stuff because

of the memorialization

of its place

within a wider web of

relationships whereas before

it was never memorialized. It was simply always existed.

There was never a history of the temple. The temple just was a site of commune in with the gods.

But what I'm trying to get at here is that as soon as we get to ancient Greece, something weird happens.

I don't know if it's related.

I'd have to do more...

I mean, I haven't fully, fully

conquered the

part about ancient Greece yet.

I'm still in the Bronze Age.

But it's very strange because these strange kind of, I don't know what to call them, mystery cults, Oracle cults, I don't know what I would call them, kind of form alongside the rise of usurious oligarchies.

And it's almost as if they're artificially maintaining the impersonality of the temple structure and retarding its development into the higher kind of palatial, monarchical, and empire structure.

And that's being done through literal cults, through literal intentional cults,

like methodically, through these kind of

cults which

um,

which sublimate

the absence of the monarch

in its own right.

Like, it's not just that there's an absence of a monarch.

It's that that absence as anarchy is being sublimated as an actual, like, ritual and cult practice.

And I think that's, like, a lot of the conspiracy theories about, like, people in hoods, you know, I mean...

Well, I was going to say, like, that's, like, the foundation of, like, the Greek mythology, right?

Because, like, they, like, the age of Saturn, right, is sort of representative of this palatial

economy of like that

before, that antedates this.

And it's really like, when you have like,

and then like, then you have like the Greek

pantheon, which is really an anarchy.

Like Zeus is only empowered

for times, you know, he's constantly having to assert his authority because there's a fundamental state of anarchy even for the gods because they killed like their own god. Like their gods become like demi-gods. They're not even like transcending humanity.

They have all of the flaws and failures of human beings.

Yeah.

And it's like,

it's so strange because ancient Greece comes after the collapse of the Bronze Age.

And as we know,

I don't know how to say it.

So everyone will have to forgive me.

Mycena and Greece or whatever.

You know, Bap is such an idiot.

Because him and his community

seem to... He's not that dumb. He knows what he's doing.

They seem to imply that, you know, like,

okay, first you had a bunch of like

brown, matriarchical farmers,

and then the base nomads from the step came and created a

warrior aristocracy enslaved everyone. And it's like, they get the chronology

totally wrong, all right?

The Aryan step

warriors, the Indo-European step warriors

actually

were integrated into

the palatial authority

and that did not create

any kind of warrior aristocracy.

That created the same kind of monarchical power that existed before

when other nomads from the desert fulfilled the same role.

So there was no abrupt, the racialists are retards because there was no abrupt discontinuity brought about by the arrival of Indo-European groups.

It was just in continuity with the same thing of when Semitic nomadic groups did the same thing.

The discontinuity they're talking about

comes after the collapse of the Bronze Age,

after Mycenaean Greece,

which is a palatial era of Greece,

which was like normal, like Egypt and like Babylon and whatever.

And in the Iron Age, the arrival

of the Iron Age and the Sea

people, something strange happens

where in the midst of the collapse

of this kind of central authorities

and monarchical forms

of authorities, a new novel strange structure takes

form, which becomes the Greek city state as we know it, this unprecedented rise of like

chattel slavery to tend to the field as a result of debt and so on and so on. So the missing

link between there is not fucking based warriors coming from the step

who are like badass conquerors

the missing link are

these usurious paracidical

oligarchs

and the warriors

the only warriors that are

fitting in this equation are literal

mercenaries and pirates

employed by them, who they're literally

employing to do their dirty work.

Yeah, I think

I've tried to tie this to

also like how this sort of replays again with like the Vikings

later on. I think that the cause is that there was actually like

a complete like civilizational collapse almost across the entire world

that was due to like effectively like many years of drought

and like famine and things.

And when you enter this sort of like

post-apocalyptic scenario, you have like the

remnants of these like sort of technologies

but they start to be used like completely

differently. So like this is even how like you get

like interest bearing um, uh,

like interest bearing debt, for instance.

Like the Greeks didn't come up with this idea

themselves. Like this was something that was like around

that, um, they sort of inherited.

But they don't inherit like the full context

of it. And now that there's like a state of anarchy

in these civilizations that had like developed this as like a term as a means of like as like a

form of public infrastructure basically for planning, essentially planning the

economy, they inherit this. But like now in this sort of like post-apocalyptic

situation, there's not really

like the quote-unquote checks and balances

that would exist in like a more

normative usage of it.

It's sort of like

a mafia in a burgeoning

society, in a society that's actually functioning

can't be as like

brutalizing as one that's in

a sort of a post-apocalyptic

situation. So it has to like maintain this

post-apocalyptic situation

continuously.

That's that's in order to like

have this uh, have people like be willing to like you know like the

threat of starvation and death and you know i think we fast forward you know many thousands of years

because i don't know if this is exactly true for ancient Greece, but I know it's true for the Italian city states where not only are these mafias, but these are like terrifying, like mystery cults that literally are probably fucking worshipping

demons and

I don't know if how much you believe in this

stuff but it's like I straight

up do believe

that

a function of oligarchy is also like

this

these like devil worship

yes like literal hood like they're wearing hoods and doing rituals and shit type of devil worship

yeah yeah no I 100%

agree. I think it makes perfect sense.

It does, yeah.

Because, like, who are the first, like, oligarchs, right?

Like, if you think of oligarchy as being the

interest of the few in the scheme of the one,

the few, and the many, in the war

in heaven, like, you know, and like In the war in heaven, like, you know,

in the war in heaven, who are the few?

Like, it's one third of the angels, right?

Become the demons, right?

That's not the many, and it's not the one.

It's the few.

It's like one third.

So it's really not like this, it's like you

like that, so if you're like describing

yourself as being one of the few, right,

then you have to like reverse the polarities on one as

like a normative ethic of like the one and the many,

which are the most more basic categories, right?

Where it's like you have one, it's fundamentally,

you have one and then you have many.

It takes,

it's a further level of abstraction.

You have to like,

you have to maintain your position,

but you're not doing it just to maintain your position.

You're maintaining a position. you're maintaining a kind of

conceit of metaphysical anarchy which doesn't have to prove itself in any way through

skin in the game and that's exactly why it corresponds to the kind of the continuation of

the oligarchical position

and why it is that

is people like, well, what about monarchies?

Aren't lifelong monarchies also

lacking dynamism? It's like, no,

because it's so simple

to explain it to people. This is how I thought of it. It's like, because the here it's so simple to explain it to people this is how i thought of it

it's like with with with uh the power of one person that guy will treat his subjects equally and he is

before his subjects equally, and he is before his subjects equally, meaning he has to maintain his rule and his power to everyone.

And the minute he enters into an exclusive relationship with a handful of people who let's literally have dirt on him in ways that the common man does not, that's when it becomes, that's how an oligarchy takes form. So the more power one person has, the more actually that the content of

his power is going to reflect a responsivity to the masses in general. But the minute he has to start

sharing power, because a few people have dirt on him,

or he has an exclusive relationship with a few people, that's when an oligarchy is going to take form,

which starts to act on behalf of interest contrary to the majority.

So it's like it's always,

it's actually good for one guy to have

unlimited power.

And it's actually not,

it's like the more power

one guy has,

who's the leader, the more power everyone has, you know?

Yeah.

This is like what Kajep says, because authority isn't something that's, like, vested or

created from an individual on and not themselves.

That's actually the oligarchical way of understanding authority.

Yeah.

But as you also know, that's just understanding what force is.

That's not what authority.

Authority and force are not the same thing.

Authority doesn't compel by force.

It compels by a sort of like metaphysical relation where like you're like an authority

has like a grip on you, not by force,

but sort of by your own, like, subjective sense

of self.

So this is, yeah,

that's precisely the difference.

So if, like, if a society

agrees, like, this is also why, like, Americans,

like, don't really, but they're like, there's no way that the polls in Russia that, like, this is also why, like, Americans, like, don't really,

but they're like, there's no way that the polls in Russia that, like, Putin's actually that

popular or whatever, because they don't understand that it's like, well, he would be that

popular because he's the guy and, like, he has authority. And you don't even know what that's

like because we think that what's normal is for there to be no authority and there to be only like a sort of rule of force.

Where it's like, where it's like, oh, I'm forced to acknowledge this is my president.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

No, you have it exactly right.

And, yeah yeah but it's

um

there's a

this sort of irony is like

I don't know I appreciate them more

more like every year

I'll learn more

but it's a really just sort of a theme

I've been mining for years.

And I don't really question it at this point.

It's not really like an up to date for me.

Like I know what I know.

You know at this point?

Yeah.

Like there's very few people I can talk to you in depth about it.

So it's nice talking to you because you're on the same wavelength.

But I just don't think that it can be like

translated to like mass consciousness,

barring like the sort of like the sort of inevitabilities

of the situation we find. It's a weird thing

where it's like for some

because people, you know what it is dude

it's like people think too fucking hard about it

yeah shit we're saying really it's all much more simple

this is like I like I'm also like

like foolishness shames the wise

right like this fake wisdom that everyone has like no

polyside degrees or whatever and then like you know like uh the common sense like sort of like

dumb way of looking at it is usually far more intelligent than this like hyper uh systematic

and like intellectualized

version of understanding things.

It's like it's really not that complicated.

You know,

at the end of the day, like it's not that hard.

It even scares me because like I notice

I understand

the hate that I get

because I'm so, I've always had a very, like, aggressive personality or whatever.

Yeah.

But when I see that you get sometimes even more intense hatred for saying, like, for not being aggressive at all and just like saying the truth,

but a truth that's like, I guess, painful for people, that's kind of terrifying.

Like, why?

It's like, it's like you, on the one hand, people are like, oh, yeah, you know, you're going to dismiss you as like a like a schizo who's dumb or whatever but like you really trigger people to like to such an extent where i'm like what what cord did you like what hit what dog do you just hit like it's a hit dog holler it's

like what what in the deep recesses of their unconscious did you activate for them to

fucking lose their shit like this, you know?

Yeah, I don't know.

I try not to do it so much anymore.

Like, I used to, like, have it down to a science,

and I would really, like, big an effort at doing that.

Because, honestly, like, I'm not, like, you know,

I wasn't a, I'm not pretending like I was some, like, morally great person or whatever, like, I'm not like, you know, I wasn't a, I'm not pretending like I was some like morally great person or whatever, like 10 years ago even or whatever.

Because like my real goal was to just like I wanted to like have like public notoriety to the degree that I could write things and people would read them or whatever.

And I was like, oh, this, this, this game,

this game actually is like an adversarial medium and what you want to do is like,

make a, like create like the biggest possible reaction against yourself.

Like everyone knows this, which is why everyone calls everything grifting or whatever now.

But, um, and it's also like, you can't really do that anymore.

The medium's totally different.

But I literally

like, I had it like, you know, like,

I trained my brain in a way to be able

to like produce these sort of

things. Like, I'd be like, oh produce these sort of things like like

I'd be like oh this is it was like

like you know I would have it used to be fun for me

but it stopped being fun a little

a while ago because

the blowback started to be much more real

than it was like people being like

being mad online or whatever.

It's like yeah, they're not mad online.

Like they're actively trying to like

Yeah, they're just homicidal now.

Like they actually like psychopaths.

Yeah, I mean, I think I hit the

I'm like legitimately worried about it.

I feel like I hit the tail end of

when this was a viable way to like gain notoriety

and the way I did it, I admit it was very reckless

but like I was on the same shit.

Like just be, make as many people as mad as you can.

And I hated these people anyway,

so I didn't care it, right?

Yeah, yeah. And be as outrageous and controversial

as possible. And like, it's literally simple.

Like, it's so easy.

But then, like you said said it just like it stopped working

because the market got so oversaturated and with that it became also it became so much more

intense to the reaction to it.

And then I would say what it was for me.

It was like initially it was like, you know, like, oh, it's like really easy to like troll leftist like this or whatever because they're like that.

And so then there was like sort of built up like in like the 2010s, a sort of arsenal,

like a sort of collective arsenal like, hey, here's like a thing 2010s, a sort of arsenal, like, a sort of collective

arsenal, like, hey, here's, like, a thing that you can do

to, like, really piss off all the leftists or whatever.

And that has then,

that then became, like, the new

sort of paradigm for,

like, culture in a lot of ways,

where that, that sort of, like, bag of bag of tricks is now like what people use in lieu of like any sort of independent or creative thought they're like hey I have this like arsenal that I've been provided by like screen caps of like you know the internet over these last like 10 years. And

that's not me. Like, I just repeat these

like an AI or whatever. It's really when I was

starting to be critical of like this

arsenal or whatever, be like, oh, this is just like

the same thing. That's really when it like completely

shifted. And it

was like when, and it was like

when, you know, like when I was getting kicked out of

Frog Twitter and things like this, when all the bad people like

turned or whatever. It was really much more

of a like, where I was

like doing self-criticism or like

turning the criticism back around onto the same

to the new. That's what it really

got much worse for me

in those terms. Like it began much worse for anyone

who did that. Trolling the trolls basically.

Yeah, trolling the trolls. That's where you really

get, uh, that's where you really, uh,

get, um, in the crosshairs for some

bad shit.

Because, like, they think of themselves.

They're like, oh, we're so rebellious or whatever.

But it's like, Elon Musk is now, like, you know,

like, it's so, like, all this, like,

like, you know, viral anti-Semitism, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

from, like, the 2010s. This is not just, like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, from, like, the 2010s.

This is not just, like, normal, like, it's all been totally...

Dude, we are so back. We are so bad. We are so...

Dude, this is so, this is triggering so many people. It's like, it doesn't matter anymore.

None of that. No one cares. Like, none of that matters.

And what's funny is, like, I've actually seen, like, you know, I still get, like, see some of the stuff from the Rairoids.

But there's this guy who's, like, an identity Europa guy who's now like, hey, wait, like, do you really think that, like, the Israelis are, like, more against Western civilization than Muslims are?

Like, wait a minute.

Shall we do some, like, self-correction here?

Like, they, like, that's why Bap, what I mean is, like, he knew what he was doing.

Like, he actually did create, like, a very, like like standardized form of consciousness that is a

you know it's a seductive as he even

says like that's why he likes Nietzsche is because this

has this sort of portographic like seductive

appeal it's like sort of addicting because it's like

it's like smoking crack you know

it's like it's like easy it's like easy and you feel

like a god or something while you're smoking crack but you're still a crack head you know at the end of the

day yeah very true very true and it's like yeah i mean i i i just i just think that, you know, I don't know if you know that guy, Kareem, he did a great threat on BAP when October 7th happened. He's like,

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was like, here's a real bronzade mindset. It's like, disproves the Bronze Age mindset.

It's like, I think that just speaks for itself.

And that, that sum up, that sums up my whole attitude to BAP.

It's pretty much like, you know, it's like, it's, it's actually as simple as this it's literally like

a virgin who can't shut the fuck up about sex right

well it's kind of what it is i mean the guy is like 40 something he hasn't he's still

like hanging out with adolescence like he hasn't, he's still, like, hanging out with adolescence.

Like,

he hasn't really,

it's kind of a weird guy,

you know?

It's that,

but it's also like,

they,

they always talk about,

like,

oh,

you know,

the themes of war and conquest,

but like,

when it comes to actually

facing the content of what that is,

they really kind of back away from it and like shudder, like very nervously

and they kind of blush.

Oh, yeah. You know, that's what

I mean. Like, it's like a virgin that won't shut up

about sex. It's like, yeah, the reason

they're talking about it so much

is precisely because

of like how much

they're far away from it, you know?

The irony is that like, I feel like

the reason partially I get so much

shit from that, from that circle, is that

like a lot of those guys

like they're just smoking crack like

recreationally like they're not

they don't really identify as crackheads in their day

to day life you know and they're like you know

I wish that I could just have a normal life or whatever

but that's been denied to me so I'm going to become dark

crackhead on the internet that's been denied to me, so I'm going to become dark crackhead on the internet.

I've been forced into this position, but if it's sort of like, hey, you can, like, you know,

interact with all these things, like, hey, you can even maybe smoke crack a little bit, but you can

just, like, stop smoking crack and you can just be a normal person. You can just, like, you know, like,

and, like, you can be a little cringe.

It's okay.

Like, you can be, like,

hey, I'm, like, uh,

riding a carousel with my daughter is in this swell.

Like, oh, how cringe.

That's not Bronze Age mindset enough.

How cuck, et cetera.

Like enough how cucked, et cetera. Like, you're not smoking crack 24-7.

What are you doing?

Like, you know, we've got to be smoking crack 24-7 or else we're not real crackheads.

We're going to get called out by the crack-ed fraternity

for not being true crap-uds.

I know it's cringe because it is cringe when they're like,

y'all, the right is the new counterculture.

But I think that's true in a bad way as well, where it's like in the same way that in the counterculture, they all like sold out and it became super cringe.

That's like the same shit going on with, uh, absolutely.

The frog.

It's like they're literally it's literally

what happened

to the hippies

where like

now you're gonna have

like Jack Posobiac

and all their fucking

and you're gonna have

like Ben Shapiro

starting to adopt

you had one

this thing

you had

it's always the cringiest

people too

you'd run

the fanchists

doing Sondon Rand memes it's always the cringiest people too. You'd run the Sanchez doing Son and Rand memes.

It's like, come on, guys.

Like, this is really what you wanted.

Like, like, we are so back.

And they take, they're like,

we won. And they're like, they don't realize,

this is the thing. I understand for a lot of these guys

celebrating like Sydney Sweeney being on S&L it's like holy shit guys

like you're literally like

Here's the thing why you're like for a lot of these people

it was like all they wanted to do was troll

they didn't even care about like the Nazi stuff.

They just wanted to troll.

Like that was it.

Yeah.

No, that's the entry point.

Yeah.

Like, just like, just like trigger the fuck out of people and like see how far you could take it with me magic or whatever.

And it's like, wow.

Right.

But what they

didn't realize

they didn't even

I think there'd be some a little insight on this but go ahead

but they didn't realize like

you didn't even understand

like you were using all these symbols

because they triggered people but you didn't even understand

what they were,

what their history was, and like what you were being corralled into. And when Ron DeSantis

uses that symbol, you think you won, but in reality, he fucking won, and you got neutralized.

And that was literally contained in the symbol from the very beginning,

but you didn't even fucking know it.

It's like a tragedy in a way, you know?

Well, it's like, if you recall, like, back in the 2000s, early 2010s, even,

the idea of someone being a Nazi was itself a joke.

Like, yeah, like, you know,

it was literally, like, a form of warping as, like,

just, like, wouldn't it be insane?

Like, everyone was, like, playing dress up with, like,

radical sheikh with, like, Nazi stuff.

Because it was so culturally outmoded, with like Nazi stuff because it was so

culturally outmoded, et cetera.

Yeah, it was ridiculous.

And even like, there was obviously

a population of like, you know, like Aryan Brotherhood

prison gang, pipe shit or whatever, but all

of that stuff was like completely ghettoized and like

to appreciate it was sort of like

and a post-irononic sort of thing.

Pat and all's, okay, you know those, you know like

the smiling merchant picture?

You know that one? Yeah.

Do you know who drew that? A. Wyatt

Man. Do you know that guy? No, no.

You ever heard of him? Okay, well, as a cartoonist.

I forget what his real name is.

Do you know who he was friends with in real life?

He's one Patton Oswald's friends. Okay,

Pat and Oswald, the Gen X, Star Wars

nerd comedian who was in the latest Ghostbusters

movie. Okay, that's really where that

culture, yeah, that's, that's where that

like, like, um... This Gen X culture

of, like, being like, ooh, Nazi stuff.

Or, like, it was the same thing of them to be like,

ooh, Satanism or whatever.

It was this whole, like, just, like, shock value to, like,

you know, just entertain all of these things, like, on the fringes.

Like, because it's like the boomer sort of opened up,

um,

this notion of like,

just transgression,

individualism,

blah,

blah, against like the normative American civilization that I

listed prior,

like this sort of,

you know,

the 1960,

and then that got corrupted.

So the only thing they could do

to keep us

be like demonic

yeah to be the opposite

of that

like

but be like

I'm not actually

demonic

like it's like

worship Satan

and eat pizza

like it's a joke

like we're all in

on the joke

like where it's not real

like Satanism is actually all

about progressive values and being a good fucking person good hacking person to people and like

petting your dog it's like so fucking it's like people are so fucking stupid it's like all right first

it was like it was like a counterculture of, yeah, I'm just going to undermine all the traditional values.

But then that gets co-opted. And then like 20 years later, another, another edgy contrarian comes down to like, you know what?

I don't believe in racial equality. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah. It's like it's like a fucking

merry-go round of people. It's really a merry-go-round of like playing leapfrog and hot potato

with like, oh, I'm going to

I'm going to be the rebellious contrarian

and then I'm going to sell out and then I'm going to be

rebellious against that and then I'm going to sell out

and then like on and on it goes

but meanwhile

we're just like bombing other countries

and the fucking foreign policy agenda

is fully in play the same way

as it would have been.

Well, it's like, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta,

you know, give the devil as do here.

It's a very engaging spectacle.

Like, people have a lot of fun

playing this game. And, like, obviously,

there's a whole new generation

that's gotten involved since, like, you know,

my days and my 20s or whatever.

I'm 30 years old now. So there's like a whole

new generation. Just like, you know, they're, like,

brought into this game and all of this

DLC has been added to the discourse

you know and they can explore all about the World of Warcraft

realms of the discourse and they're like oh my god

you know you know like it's all it is

it's a synthetic reality

neo-Nazis tell me like

you know Haas how are you a dissident?

You know, the most banned and canceled thing

in the world is

you can't JQ

and you can't praise Hitler, so it must be

the most rebellious thing. And I want to look

at this people, I'm like, dude, you know in the

1950s what the most rebellious thing

in the fucking world was?

Sex, drugs, and rock and roll,

you fucking retard.

It literally just switched

because the other thing got co-opted,

and now your shit's about to be co-opted,

and you don't even see that.

Yeah, and I mean, I sort of, like, I don't really believe that there's, like, you know, grand,

there's, like, grand schemes in terms of, like, material stuff, like, in terms of, like,

we really need to get access to these pipelines, et cetera.

Like, that's really the terms of, like, grand planning or whatever.

I don't think there's, like,

these grand cultural programming or whatever.

I just think it happens,

how it happens,

you know?

No, no,

I do think,

I do think that there's sort of a,

uh,

there's a rationality behind it,

right?

Yeah.

Because it's like, all this stuff is going to be extremely normalized. It's going to be

used, especially as we enter more

of like a war state.

Because, like, it has to be.

Like, there's, like, what's going to bring people in.

Like, if you look at, like, the advertising

for the U.S. Army and things like that in the last year,

two years, they've already changed the tone, like, explicitly from things like that. In the last year, two years,

they've already changed the tone, like,

explicitly from, like, the former, like,

we're based now.

Yeah, it's like, we're base now.

And it's like, you got, like,

the guy who made HALO, like, running for Congress and shit like this.

I can't wait for them to fucking do their helldivers

to army propaganda

and then have some fucking

like retard like the quartering

be like, oh my god guys

it's actually happening

the US Army is now based

and we won

And then you'll have,

you'll have the bread tube like Douglas Lang guys being like,

this proves that the US Army doesn't understand satire.

Yeah.

They're self-owning and they don't even know it.

They're so self-owning right now.

What do you think about my pieces that specific, okay, the bread tube kind of like NAFO people,

they're going to make it to the Golden City.

Like, they're going to make it to the ruling class

and they'll be fine.

I know these people.

Don't you think...

Like, I'm in San Francisco right now.

Don't you think the ones lined up

for the slaughter most tragically

who will not survive?

They're literally going to be like

the Jacobites or some shit. They're just going to, like the Jacobites or some shit

they're just going to like be a lost

cause just totally forgotten

totally destroyed

is

it's going to be

what I call them

red liberals where they're basically

like they're basically like

they're claiming to be communists and

no, they're still claiming to be anti-imperialist.

No, we're not going to support NATO.

But they're also like

they're also

like liberals when it comes to domestic

politics on every front basically and it's like those people are historically irrational and they don't know how much that both a liberal establishment has no use for them except like being attacked dogs against us, which is not not even being effective anymore.

And on the other hand, obviously the right wing doesn't like them.

Those people are literally going to be, I knew this after Bernie lost in 2020.

I'm like, you know who's going to

actually suffer big time going forward?

The so-called radical left,

they are fucked. Like, they're going to be totally

erased. They are totally

going to be outmoded.

And they're going to, they are, they are the ones who are

going to lose out the biggest, in terms of, like, the big... Well, they're going to they are there are the ones who are going to lose out the biggest in terms of like the the big so you can go to the you can go to san francisco right now you're a hate street and you got people wearing their grateful dead patches and they're talking about like freedom like peace law blah blah blah they still they're still living

out the like 1960s version of that you know what i mean like that they it sticks around it just

we'll never have the sort of um the force it once had like uh or at least like the kind of popular

purchase they've been outmoded in that way but lots of things that have been outmoded, stick

around, you know, there's like the Amish are still around, you know?

Like, they'll still be around.

They're just going to be like a very small thing that has no real popular purchase

whatsoever.

What's more like, like compare it, I don't know.

All of this, like, all of this is really just like the politics of narcissism because like,

I don't know.

None of this has like any real effect.

And like I could rationalize like the red liberal type of person. All they're trying to do is to come up with a could rationalize, like, the red liberal, uh, type of person.

All they're trying to do is to come up with a position that they can like justify

themselves so that they can like feel good about their,

like, oh, I'm not complicit.

Like, oh, I'm not complicit.

Like, that's all that they're, they're looking for in the first place.

Like, oh, I'm not complicit.

Like, I, this, none of this has anything to do with me.

I'm not complicit in any of this. Like, you know, like, I'm a good fucking person.

Like, that's, that's, that's, like,

there's a lot of positions that people take that are like that.

Um, they, they just want to be, uh, deemed, like, innocent by themselves, but there's like a nagging doubt, which is why they oppose, you know, people like us so much.

Yeah, no, for real.

And it's like, I think people really underestimated, like, the longevity of you and I's, I mean, you've been at it way longer, but I'm like, we are going to, I think we're going to last, and everyone's waiting like, oh, when is Haas going to sell out? And like, when is Haas going to sell out? And like, when is Haas and Jackson going to sell out and just become like

Republican, like mainstream conservatives?

And when are they going to be joined the Republican Party?

And it's like, no, we're actually in this for the, we have a way bigger longevity than

you're giving us credit for

and I actually think

it's just people

like there's a lot of people who just like fundamentally

don't have principles because it's not really

like you're not supposed to have principles in the

society is weird if you have principles it's alienating

you know people don't like it if you have principles. It's alienating. You know, people don't

like it if you have principles. You're supposed to just be chasing that bag. Like, why would you

have principles if it doesn't help you make more money? Like, there's no, like, you're just

cucking yourself, right? Like, by having principles. Yeah. That's sort of the, that's, that's, what the idea is. So, like, no one can really, like,

like, if you, I don't know,

if you don't have any principles,

you can't really construct a theory of mind

for someone who has fucking principles.

Like, I can understand other principled actors,

even if I don't share their principles,

but I can understand

I've always seen our zeitgeist

or like, I would say like

our world spirit

really is like the Xi Jinping

revolution in China.

And I kind of like to call on a revolution

because like it was like a big

event and big change there

and it's like the way that that

related to time is like it wasn't like

being at the avant-garde

of the latest immediate development all the

time like it was this kind

of like

I don't want to say this because it's like super

controversial.

But in a kind of like, even in a kind of like, not in the Marxist sense of the word, but like,

in the ambiguous maybe Carlisle sense of the word

or some shit, I don't know, like, it was kind

of reactionary

in a way

where it was like, we're gonna

go back to the spiritual

values of the Maui, or're going to stop and go back.

And it's like, we're going to, but like, but what ended up happening is that Xi Jinping became like the most left wing force on the globe, right?

And he did that...

In real material terms, of course.

Right, because he...

Usually you have to be like, not how we mean the left, but like a global...

Yeah, yeah, because he...

Because what he did is he planted his feet in the ground, and instead of just going with the latest thing, he's like, no, I'm going to plant my feet in the

ground, I'm going to actually have a real position at the end of history, which is like,

you know, this new lofty and wide outlook of civilization

and reconciling the Mao era and all this kind of stuff.

And it's like, he, it was like this, the tortoise wins the race or whatever.

Slow and steady wins the race.

It's like he, he basically assumed a position um

where it was like uh

um

it doesn't seem like this is going to last because what are you talking about like

you know the world is

you're still talking about you're trying to revive the culture revolution stuff and doubling down and all the things that are outdated about China.

And I remember that kind of rhetoric in like 2014, 2015.

Now you look at the world. Who's outdated now?

You know what I mean?

Isn't that crazy?

It's sort of, I mean, I would say like, it's a, I just want to tie this back

the other thing, you know, like all the people who are like, oh, like, I'm so esoteric, bro.

Like, I'm so esoteric.

I'm talking about Nordic ruins, my dude.

Like, crimes.

Like, Hecking Elon Musk.

Like, Valkyri.

Like, Nordic stuff like Valhalla in Marvel Universe.

Like, esoteric type stuff I'm on.

The real esoteric shit is just like

China.

Like honestly, that's the only real

esoteric thing in

the West is like

any type of real understanding

of the East and the 20th century

into the present.

Like, that is the most...

I literally...

You're Esoterica and the Soviet stuff.

The Soviet stuff has also

has been co-opted to the degree where you have

like these, like, as you said, like, red liberals, like,

these people... Yeah.

They don't even want, like, communism in the East, like, beyond that.

They have no fucking idea.

Like, it's like I had this realization, and it came to me very suddenly, and this was like 2017

or something.

But it was the culmination of my attempt to understand China.

And I started to have fucking dreams about this shit.

That's how much it was like very, it was hitting that close to me.

And it's like, you come to the realization that we are living through the fulfillment of China's plan.

Like China has been charting a course through the stars, let's say, for like a very

long time. The Communist Party has been

doing this. And

while it seems like everything that's happening

is new, this is

literally just part of the plan

and it's fulfilling itself. And like

once I appreciated this, even the five- And like, once I appreciated this,

even the five-year plan,

once I appreciated just the scale at which

everything being unfolding was planned

and like China does know what they're doing actually

and they do have a plan,

I was like,

fuck, like that,

I wasn't even a pro-China guy.

Like, I wasn't even someone who was like, oh, China socialist.

But once I realized that, I was like, you know what?

I've been sleeping on China, really underestimating them

and I gotta wise up

and understand that like

this is a long game

and it is real. It's not just a

cynical thing or whatever and like

you said, it's literally

esotericism.

Everything going on on the surface level,

they don't give a shit about that.

That doesn't affect none of the discourse or conversations we have in the West at all

affect the plan.

It doesn't.

It's like they're literally locked in.

That's all you could really say.

They're locked in.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, I think,

a thing I've been coming to appreciate is that

the reason why it doesn't inspire so much, like, I don't know,

at least I guess year by year or more people are like, holy shit, China.

Like, that's crazy what they're doing.

Because, like, it's just, like, undeniable if you have any, like, real, if you go see,

if you see, there are cities, like, go in person and see it with your own eyes

you'll lose your mind because like

what the fuck this is a different world

this is a different planet what happened?

Yeah yeah

you're just like wait like why don't we have

like why couldn't we do this?

Like it's really mind-boggling.

Dude, it's not even just Shanghai.

You go to some random fucking

cities in China, like, random ones.

I got you, dude. Yeah, no.

And it's like, what have they been doing here?

There's literally, like, 15

replicas of

Paris that they made.

And people just live here.

And it's literally like a total replica

of a European city. People just

live here. It was totally planned.

This is a real place.

They can't make anything new.

They just make

replicose of...

No, it's all fake.

Everything in China is fake.

It's actually all made out of tofu.

It's actually all fake.

I know this.

It's not real.

You see,

the roads that all these cars

are driving on, it's fake.

The driving is also fake.

The buildings that people are walking and living there.

Yeah.

Actually, actually, everything you see with your own eyes is actually fake because it's made out of fake materials.

So therefore it's not real.

And I'm like,

um,

at what,

yeah,

it's like,

at what point are these people going to realize,

like it's actually real?

Like,

it's no,

it's not all.

What it is is like when,

uh,

when they,

when they,

uh,

they,

they, what it is is like when uh when they're when they uh they uh they decided to take Taiwan and um the the cadets who are sent over by America to go defend it are just evaporated

by fucking rail guns is it called is it called the ship of Theseus it's like at what point

does something that's fake

just become real? Because it literally

functions, looks, and behaves in a

real way.

Yeah. You know, that's literally like we're talking about

I was saying, oh, it's actually fake

because it was all planned rather than a spontaneous

result of

capitalism and I'm like

okay if that's your definition of fake

fine but it's like it's like a ship of

Theseus problem like dude here's a car

they made this car

it literally works

works the same way as any other car

gets you from point A to point B it's got all it literally works works the same way as any other car uh,

gets you from point A to point B

it's got all the things that cars have

whatever and it's like you're calling

it fake but it's like

it functions. Yeah, but it's the same

thing as like the car you have at home.

So like I think that the sense of authenticity

as just like spontaneous I guess is what they mean like if something is just not planned then it's

authentic and I guess that makes

dysfunction the most authentic thing ever

because all the things that are not planned in America.

You got smoke crack.

You got smoke crack.

Yeah, when our bridges collapse,

that's authentic because like we didn't plan for it to happen.

Yeah, that's a real moment

of being. Like, this other stuff is like

that's like being a robot. Like, where's the freedom

and not smoking crack all day

and crashing ships into

the Francis Scott Key Bridge?

Right, that's a real moment of American

excellence is that bridge collapsed.

That was a true.

That's real society.

That's what a real civilization looks like.

It's so easy to bullshit about anything

because I can literally see like a Twitter threat

like the Francis Scott

Key bridge collapse is the

ultimate example of Nietzschean

freedom

actualized

just just associate Nietzsche with it and you can just

like slap you can turn shit into

gold oh man you get a lot of you get a lot of

engagements for that too the new uh the new uh the new uh elan slop algorithm really uh really pushes you

for it's producing garbage like that a bunch of kami jews wants you to think that having functional

bridges like China is actually the goal

of a civilization.

But actually...

The goal of the civilization...

Let me do an AI...

Let me do chat GBT

BAP justification of a bridge

collapse.

You know, they're trying to, these commies want to,

these soft, longhouse commies want you to think

that having a functional bridge should be the goal of civilization.

But in moments like the collapse of the Francis Scott,

uh, Francis Scott Bridge, when people are fighting for their lives

it's a true Nietzschean moment of adversity of

undecidability and true heroism

where people must respond to a spontaneous scenario

where the outcome is totally

unforeseen and which they will

make themselves in a totally free

way in the midst of true

chaos. Us

approaching these near-death

experiences reintroduce a sense of vigor,

adventure,

and vitalism.

Yeah, vitalism to our daily

lives, and we should have more

collapses of bridges.

I got the meme attached to it.

So, you know, like, it has,

it's like the, like, the, like, the, like,

the, like, uh, jacked arm, like, holding the steering wheel, you know,

like that one where it's, like, a guy, like, vaping on, like, driving a car.

It's like that, and it's, like, the view of, like, a guy, like, hitting, like,

his car flying over this collapsing bridge.

And there's like a sounding ram in front of it and things.

And it's like, like, this is, this is, this is destiny.

Sorry, you guys heard of him.

Make the meme.

You guys have to make it now.

It says Amor Fatim.

Oh, my God.

Oh, man, listen.

All right, if I laugh anymore, I'm not going to be able to sleep.

But I actually got to get to bed.

All right. It's nice chatting you. Yeah, no, actually got to get to bed, but um.

All right. It's nice chatting you.

Yeah, I know. I was real nice.

I was just sporadically like, hey, let's get on, but it was a good time.

No, yeah, it was great.

Have a good one, everyone.

Always a pleasure with local.

Whoever makes that meme, you're going to get Matt.

You're going to get so many.

That's going to do so well.

Just trust me.

Yeah, everyone will love it.

All right, man.

I'll see you later.

All right, peace up.

See you.

Oh, man. that's so funny

He said there's a sun and red

At the Baskin, thank you so much man

Appreciate you

But you guys heard it.

I got to get to bed.

I'll see you guys Thursday.

What a nice long stream, five hours.

See?

And you guys say I don't give you content.

Anyway, guys.

See you later.

Bye-bye.