Why is Second Thought So Weird?

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let me see those Sun gorillas let's

troop in the building let's show JT that

we're trooping we're trooping we're the

gorilla Army the most feared the most

reviled the most infamous online

political community on the goddamn

internet

that's right ladies and gentlemen that's

right they fear us and they fear our

name they block each and every one of

you on Twitter why because we go hard we

go hard because we're trooping like

gorillas like a gorilla troop we're

trooping like gorillas waging guerrilla

warfare

trooping like gorillas waging guerrilla

warfare against all the fakes the frauds

the punk ass bitches trying to talk

about I'm enough dead this is Mark to

dumb fuck that liberal bullshit we don't

give a fuck about any liberals fuck the

DSA fuck the PSL fuck the leadership of

the Communist party we are strike

Communists with a goddamn Capital C 100

stalinist 100 miles 24 7 7 days out the

week and we don't sleep on it even once

we don't hesitate and we don't Flinch

when people ask us when we think about a

certain country that neighbored Vietnam

in the 1970s we know exactly what we're

saying when people ask us about Stalin

when people ask us about Mao we know

exactly what we're saying we are

communists with a Capital C we got

nothing to apologize for why because

we're trooping like gorillas all these

fake ass fraudulent pieces of shit are

not coming out of the woodwork saying oh

I I like style and I'm a market

designers no you're not you fake ass

bitch you are scared to call yourself

that before infrared started putting the

pressure on you

started putting the pressure on you we

applied the pressure and out came the

worms from the woodwork fake ass bitches

trying to rep our shit trying to rip

shit they were never ripping before you

Democratic Socialist bitches are now all

Communists and Marxist leninists no

you're not you're a fake bitch

you a fake bitch and you're trying to

pass off your liberalism as Marxism

leninism

got to come through the leader of the

Guerrilla Army I gotta come through I

gotta walk through in my big suit I'm

wearing a big big suit giant shoulder

big ass suit I'm walking in the building

I'm walking the bill you gotta imagine

my Swagger I'm walking in the building

with my giant ass suit with my troops

behind me with my gorillas behind me and

we're straight trooping we're straight

trooping we're straight trooping we're

walking in formation marching in

formation I'm walking in the goddamn

building and I'm setting the goddamn

Brothers record straight I'm not letting

these motherfuckers get away with that

you want to rip our shit we're going to

be trooping we're gonna be trooping

we're trooping in the building all right

we're trooping in the building

all the gorillas walk like this in real

life all the gorillas walk like this in

real life y'all know how to walk

this is how we walk we walk like this we

walk like this you understand that's how

we walk we walk like this we're trooping

we're trooping in the building we don't

do this shit we don't this is how this

is how this is how the Hakeem people

walk ready I'm gonna teach you thank you

so much I appreciate you us please watch

The Wolves

that's how the Hakeem fans it's how the

second thought fans is how all these

fucking DSA people walk ready

that's how they work but I'm walked I'm

I'm in the building I'm walking in the

building in the DSA convention in the

cpusa convention in the second dark

convention in the Hakeem convention I'm

walking in that shit I'm walking that

shit my big ass shooter I got a giant

ass wide shoulder that suit walking and

I'm trooping all my gorillas behind me

we're trooping we're trooping in that

building you understand

we're trooping in that y'all walking

behind me in formation and we're

trooping we're true we're rolling

through cause we're miles we're rolling

through because we're miles and we're

about to make a critique of it you

understand

we're rolling through as Mao is ready to

make a goddamn critique of it walking in

the building making critique of it you

understand thank you so much a miracle I

forgot to thank you by the way walking

in the building making a critique of it

troops in formation all right so it's

just one of those days it's just one of

those bad days JT Chapman and second

thought they wake up this dude's

sleeping his alarm waking up oh shit

has The Punisher

is gonna make a critique of it

now he's got two choices he can either

respond

and get into the get sucked into the

Wormhole that is infrared he could

respond and putting his whole career on

the line right facing the wrath of Haws

because that's a battle he would not win

or he can shut his little bitch ass up

everything ignore it and he can ignore

it right that's what he's gonna do he's

gonna ignore it

good that good on you we're gonna ignore

it right because nobody wants to respond

to ha nobody wants to get roped in to

this Guerrilla Army you know what I'm

saying because we're trooping out here

nobody wants to no when when you see us

walking in formation nobody wants to

come and get in the way not a single

person right nobody sees this shit and

wants to come here and get in get in our

way and obstruct this March that's going

on right because we don't fuck around

why because we're miles why because

we're making a critique of it that's why

nobody wants to hear that we're going to

give it to him anyway

with shoulders back chest out and chin

up like a man exactly again I'm gonna

show you the mandatory Guerrilla Army

walk all right I'm gonna show you this

is how you gotta walk all the time

like that that's how you gotta walk all

right you gotta walk like this

you gotta walk like that all right just

like a gorilla you gotta you gotta walk

in formation you know what I mean like a

gorilla

that's how we do it

I saw the DSA Walks Like This

that's how they walk we don't walk like

that right we don't play it like that

this is the gorilla Army you understand

we're trooping gorilla trooping thank

you so much Amela when is the debate

with careful's happening okay I'm gonna

talk about that I'm gonna talk about

that

uh thank you so much Orwell

appreciate you appreciate it thank you

so much I said that I'm set to be

marching with the troops USA thank you

so much all right well I appreciate you

all right let me tell you guys something

let me tell you guys something uh I

don't know what the fuck's going on with

that whole capitalist thing I don't they

were probably trolling or joking or some

shit they were like they were like oh

yeah I want I wanna I want you to come

on the show and debate Stalin or some

shit

and then and then some one of you guys

one of the troops right was like okay

debate Haas and then they were like oh

uh have him DM me

and uh I'm not interested in unblocking

now why do I have them blocked on

Twitter I do have them blocked I got

them blocked on Twitter because I want

to deal with that I want to deal with

that I'm not gonna say anything more I

don't want to deal with it right it's as

simple as that right

but I I block left this you know I mean

this guy's that kind of thing

and I'm not interested in and gm'ing

nothing you know so I said you want you

want a debate come into the Discord go

into the show request so we can arrange

a time I will be happy to debate you on

Stalin I want a clean professional

debate about Stalin we can go through

the record did Stalin commit the crimes

that you're saying he committed maybe we

have to debate it on Rumble that's fine

is Stalin guilty of the things you say

he is and I'm willing to go through that

whole thing simple clean professional

debate so they uh they were like thank

you so much I'm a developer and I have

some free time I can help with the

decentralized infrared maoist platform

send a message yeah I might I might get

in touch I might get in touch I might

just take you up on that but anyway with

the whole capitalist thing

they were like okay I'll debate you if

you send a fruit basket to my house and

do 80 push-ups for me

dude why are you imposing conditions I

thought you're the one who wanted the

fucking debate right I'm not desperate

to debate it you know

what would it be am I willing to debate

it yeah I will debate anyone on the line

of Stalin I will debate anyone on the

record right anyone not just capitals

they're the ones who wanted to debate

I'm saying I will debate right and then

they're saying oh there's all these new

conditions okay so you're clearly not

serious about it right

so my thought my my assumption is that

it's not going to happen I don't think

it's gonna happen I don't think it's

gonna happen right I don't think it's

gonna happen

um

simple as that right simple as that I

don't think that's gonna happen but if

it does I want it to happen I hope it

could happen I will be here to try and

make sure it happens to the furthest

extent of my ability right if it can

happen but I'm not going to waste time

on somebody who's not serious about it

the issue of Stalin is a serious issue

we don't play around with that shit it's

a serious issue be professional we are

stalinists we rep the Stalin

demeanor and stature

staliner is nothing so much fun Stalin

is nothing to fuck with you know what I

mean it's a serious topic it deserves a

seriousness when you're going to be

debating that topic they didn't want to

debate they're not serious about it okay

I am a serious hardcore stalinist I am a

stalinist I follow the line of Stalin I

follow the example of Stalin I have a

fucking stalinist if I didn't think it

was Haram to get tattoos I'd have a

tattoo of Stalin tattoo of Mao I'd have

mild Stalin tattoos on each fucking

shoulder man

you know what I mean

I'd get a giant Stalin tattoo on my back

I am a stalinist I follow the line of

solid thank you so much Destiny scrap

deal appreciates it appreciate you

y'all see this setup this is all

stalinism man this is a stalinist tiger

that's a stalinous sword that's a

stalinous dragon it's a stalinous carpet

I am a stalinist it is what I am I take

it seriously I will debate it any day of

the week

under under no circumstances am I

rejecting any kind of debate when it

comes to that period right

but they don't want to debate whatever

what can I do what can I say I can't I

can't do anything about it I can't do

nothing about it especially people like

second thought would that person ever

debate me no because they're gonna say

oh that's just debate bullshit I don't

believe in debate

they say they don't believe in debate

they say they don't believe in debate

and they don't want to debate but it's

it's one thing to say I don't want to do

a formal debate it's another thing to

completely deny the serious questions

raised before you you can't answer for

them so how else can we confront you

with these serious matters except

through a debate you want you're denying

reality that's what you're fucking doing

you're denying the fact there is a

problem you're denying the fact there

are serious criticisms of you that carry

objective and material weight and you

dodge those criticisms in the name of

not wanting to be a debate bro and every

time you try to address the criticism

such as the whole Fiasco straw man about

the pat socks a year ago it complete

it's off the mark you're not even

addressing what we're saying you're not

even addressing the actual criticism

we're leveling before you you're just

saying some shit about oh the patriotism

of the oppressed is different than that

out of the oppressors but you're not

actually addressing what we're saying

right you've never done that not once

and one of the reasons I'm taking time

to address this particular matter is

because I think the pat sock I hate that

word we're not bringing that word back

but that discourse

has been brought back on Twitter and the

reason is because

there's like these Marxist lending this

quote unquote the dogmatic ones even and

they're like wait a second it's just

like basic Orthodoxy that we you have to

be patriotic that's what that's part of

what Marxism London is it's it's rooted

in patriotism

and they're trying to overhaul that and

try they're basically trying to do a

color Revolution against Orthodox

Marxism leninism in the West

I am not necessarily an orthodox

Western Marxist leninist I'm I'm not

I've never claimed to be one I am trying

I think that Western Marxism has been

very dogmatic and yeah I agree it needs

to

reevaluate a lot of things but it has

never been a dispute that even Western

Orthodox Marxism leninism always been

about patriotism you look at the

Communist Party of Greece the best

example of the most dogmatic Western

Marxist Landis party in the west period

right there of course they're Patriots

in Greece they say yeah we're Greek

Patriots there's not they don't it's not

even a question if some Greek guy

it's all these Greek Communists hey I

don't want to be a patriot because I

believe in everyone belonging to the

same Community they'd be like you're a

fucking Cosmopolitan right and they say

oh it's anti-semitic no it's not it's

liberal cosmopolitanism it's always been

derided in basic Orthodox Marxist Lion

in this literature

these people are so fucking illiterate

they don't even know the bass line this

is like it's never been just under

dispute right

okay so recently there's been some

changes there's been this uh Jay Sakai I

don't fucking know there's been this new

Neo Neo post maoist uh anarcho D

Colonial Theory thank you so much

dementor we are capitals easy colonists

I'm just don't even shoot the messenger

I'm not necessarily a western Orthodox

Marxist leninist

thank you so much Rock saw

I have seen the future Mal's style suits

gorilla trooping into cpusa headquarters

that's exactly a Vibe but I'm not

necessarily

somebody who's uh thank you so much

Rockstar appreciate you man I'm not

necessarily I mean I'm I I draw a lot

from Dugan I draw a lot from Nick land I

draw from Heidi I mean I'm I'm engaging

Georgia batai and Alexander kojev and

it's kind of the western Canon of 20th

century thought I'm a very heterodox I'm

like a Marxist leninist who wants to

talk about thermodynamics right

I want to talk about uh modern physics

and stuff I'm so I'm I'm not I'm a

laconian I'm not really

your bread and butter Orthodox Western

Marxist leninist I've never claimed to

be right

but it's just I have to be the messenger

and be like okay but Orthodox Western

Marxism it's always been patriotic

that's like not it's never been in

dispute and it doesn't matter if you're

in a presser country or not you're still

fundamentally rooting yourself in the

National form of the country you live in

so even if you take an Anti-Imperialist

position which all Marxist Leonards do

that's still rooted from the perspective

of this is our patriotic duty to be

Anti-Imperialist like we must we must be

Anti-Imperialist in the name of the

American people to defend the honor of

our country yada yada I mean that's

that's like basic Marxism leninism

there's never been this empty

internationalism devoid of formal

specificity that is not something that's

Marxist leninist that's liberal

cosmopolitanism

and at best it's a form of ultra left

anarchistic or trotskyistic

um infantilism but it's not something

that's Marxist it's not some it's never

been in dispute every iteration of the

Communist Party USA even including the

current one

if you ask the leadership behind closed

doors yeah of course you have to be

patriotic that's like a basis thank you

so much Urban Savage

so we're gonna get in and deep dive

second thoughts stupid fucking video but

um what do you think of the modern

Russian Communist party that's my model

party I want the K I want to have a kprf

be the leader of uh Western all Western

communist parties

the way I see it there's two

facts there's two um

hegemons

either the Greek Communist party or the

Communist Party the Russian Federation I

want us to follow the Communist Party

the Russian Federation not the Greek the

Communist Party of Greece

so that's my view on that right that's

my objective sincere view when it comes

to that right

but I'm a big fan of the kprf needless

to say right it's probably my favorite

Communist Party in the world besides the

Communist Party of China

but you can't have communism without

patriotism ask any communist in the

world it's a truism and no that's not

just because they're not in an imperial

estate because Germany Hungary and

Romania actually participated in the

invasion of the Soviet Union and under

communist rule patriotism was just

common sense it was never questioned

Germany was not an oppressed victim

Germany was not a victim of colonialism

Germany was not like some third world

POC country it was Nazi Germany okay and

after they got rid of the Nazis they

were still Patriots thanks so much old

man

so that's very simple there they've

always been Patriots

always been Patriots what do I think of

Ataturk

it's complicated business it's

complicated business

um I'm against the three pastas during

World War One World War one was an

imperialist War

and the three pashas seem to have been

you know

Ops basically but as far as Auto Turk is

concerned

it's a mixed bag I don't think he's is

the same as the three pashas he also

denounced three pashas but it's it's an

objective fact that Alto Turk waged the

war of National Liberation against

Britain and against uh other foreign

powers and who cannot commend him for

this right who cannot commend him just

for this I mean the Bolshevik supported

him in his effort

so it's a mixed it's a mixed bag right

it's up to the people of turkey to

decide that Legacy it's not something

you know I'm not one who calls him a

devil or an angel It's turkey's business

but I do admire the war of Liberation

against the British of course right and

against the colonial powers

anyway

we are dealing with an issue where you

have these people like second thought

who are unfit either unfamiliar with the

Orthodox Marxist leninist Canon or they

are um

being deliberately dishonest but I want

to first before I dive into his video I

want to address I've done this like a

million times but I keep having to do

this so there's a there's one cope

that they use

there's one cope that all these red we

call them red lips because they're red

liberals is what they are right but

there is one specific form of cope

to deal with the cognitive dissonance

like that there's they're just

objectively completely removed

from the history of Marxism leninism

right

but

this specific one

comes from Stalin's Marxism and the

national question right

and this is the one they always use to

try and make it seem like

patriotism is incompatible with Marxism

and this is somehow something Stalin

believed and it's always been a truism

in Marxism and that we the pat socks are

coming here and changing things up and

revising things so just to show you the

specific quote that JT Chapman and other

red lips love quoting all the time

and by the way this is in spite of all

the other quotes when we throw at them

direct textual evidence of the contrary

they say we're book worshipers but for

them this is all it takes so

okay

all right here it is

all right

so it's something like here whether the

proletariat rallies to the banner of

Bourgeois nationalism depends on the

degree of the development of class

antagonisms of the class Consciousness

and degree of organization the class

conscious proletariat has its own tried

banner and does not need to Rally to the

banner of the bourgeoisie and sometimes

this is uh translated as the national

Banner of the bourgeoisie so they take

this to be direct a direct quotation to

mean the national Banner of the

bourgeoisie is in like the literal flag

so they're using this quote to say

Communists should never use the flag of

their country because that's the

national Banner of the bourgeoisie

okay well you need to come to a few

conclusions then end the post-war period

you have to adopt a view that Stalin

viewed the post-war Communist States

which kept the basic flag designs of

their respective Nations even while they

were Communists to be Bourgeois States

well that's not it wasn't Stan's view

these were proletarian dictatorships

these were people's democracies they

were not Bourgeois States according to

Stalin

so either Stalin revised his view or

they're misinterpreting what he's saying

well how can we determine whether

they're misinterpreting what they're

saying right

I I'll give you guys a hint we actually

fucking read the book read the book not

the sentence and you'll see what he

means

the bourgeoisie of the oppressed Nation

repressed on every hand is naturally

stirred into movement it appeals to the

native folk and begins to shout about

the Fatherland claiming that its own

cause is the cause of the nation as a

whole it recruits itself an army from

its countrymen in the interest of the

Fatherland in order the folk always

remain unresponsive it appeals they

rally around its Banner the repression

from above affects them to improvokes

discontent the national movement begins

based thank you so much absolutely

nothing in Marxism that requires or

suggests that one must be against his

own country slash people

yeah thank you so much Urban as far as

the peasants are concerned their

participation in the national movement

primarily on the character of their

oppressions if the repressions affect

the land as was the case in Ireland then

the mass of peasants immediately to the

banner of the national movement now what

was the slogan of the October revolution

peace land and bread clearly this was

also a national Revolution as well it

was what Lenin would call The Joint

dictatorship The Joint Democratic

dictatorship of the proletariat and the

peasantry

by the way

here

actually sorry this is the actual quote

right here then this is why the

proletariat cannot rally to the national

flag of the bourgeoisie so they're not

actually talking about first of all

they're not talking either about he's

not talking about patriotism broadly

he's neither talking about actual

national flags he's talking about the

slogan of the national movement which

according to Stalin

fans this national movement struggle

beyond what is necessary for the

conditions of The Liberation or the

sorry the emancipation of the

proletariat in the form of the class

struggle so okay long story short

they want to prolong it

over and by prolong he means beyond what

is necessary but that doesn't mean there

isn't something necessary

look at this

social democracy this is when Stalin by

the way was a Social Democrat

and he was critiquing Astro Marxism and

the Bruno Bowers institutional Bourgeois

nationalism so you have to understand

that context if you don't get that

context you're going to think he's

talking about every form of national

feeling and and National reality in

general which is not true right

social democracy in all countries

proclaims the right to

self-determination

it'll uphold the right of a Nation to

term its own destiny

first

so this is the bare minimum he's talking

about necessary for the conditions of

the class struggle remember this is not

still this is not necessarily leninism

yet

this is orthodox social democracy

Stalin is saying something that Carl

kotsky at this time would not disagree

with him thank you so much this

disagreement has been completely

exhausted with the red lips already

being defeated they're either

incompetent ignorant or Liars at this

point yeah

thank you so much boyfriend this is not

even different from called ski here

right this is just basic Orthodox

democracy

the national movement should confine

itself to the fight for

self-determination

right

or the peasant question the land

question that's what people ignore

because it's not just about affirmative

action oh the oppressed POC Nations can

be patriotic but the white ones can't

because they're oppressors well no

because that's not oppression is not the

only Dimension or context within which

the national movement is a necessary

prerequisite for the class struggle you

also have the question of the land

question and the retention of older

feudal forms remember nationalism has

its origins in the French Revolution not

in uh Liberation from Colonial Powers

but in the French Revolution which was

the liberation of the French people from

their own feudal context right and

that's what creates the whole National

unified identity in the first place

anyway this is all crystal clear we've

already exhausted the and he's again

he's talking to Bruno Bauer he's talking

about Bruno Bower he's not fucking

talking about anything else not talking

about Maga communism or anything or Pat

socks he's talking about Bruno Bowers

like this would be like him talking

about the DSA

which is an Institutional socialism it's

a form of opportunism

to the prevailing institutions of the

nation the Bourgeois Democratic

institutions that already exist

that's such an essential context to

understand what is even what he's even

trying to say here right

regardless we've already settled the

debate when it came to quotations and

stuff but this specific sentence in

Marxism a national question

go on Twitter and you will find like at

least

three dozen instances of people just

screenshotting this sentence

and getting like 10 000 likes saying oh

Stalin disagrees with Pat socks no

there's no there's nothing in that

context that that speaks to the more

broader question of whether or not like

all Marxism leninism is ultimately

patriotic that was never under any

dispute

especially not by the way by the time

that Stalin

um

is concretely dealing with the question

in the form of the popular Frontier in

the late 1930s and in the post-war

period in the era of the people's

democracies then I mean there's no room

for dispute there's absolutely no room

for dispute

Stalin's last speech I'll just give you

one last thing

Okay so

all right I mean this is pretty clear

cut right because even if we agreed with

the context of that

um sentence from 1913. I mean this is

the last thing Stalin ever said and it

was in 1952

so as far as what Stalin and maybe

Stalin became a revisionist or something

but here's what Stalin said

the bourgeoisie is the heads of nation

were for the rights and Independence of

Nations but above all now there's no

trace of this National principle now the

bourgeoisie sells the rights and

Independence of their Nations for

dollars the banner of national

Independence and National sovereignty

has been thrown overboard without doubt

you the representatives of the Communist

and Democratic parties must raise this

banner and Carry It Forward if you want

to be the Patriots of your countries if

you want to be the leading power of the

Nations there is no one else to raise it

so is is there any room for fee with

with this stuff about the quote the

national movement there's a lot of room

for interpretation how do we know it's

Stalin meant well here's him directly

giving a positive

Association to the word patriotism

saying only Communists can be Patriots

there's no one else to raise the banner

of patriotism but Communists that's what

Stalin directly says thank you so much

Christmas also talked about cultural

economy what left us traffic and

constantly under the guise of fake

International exactly yeah

we can't be Patriots clearly Navi

wakanda was going to be established

until Voldemort Washington his Sith

Lords and her Kai malicious defeated

King Aragorn of Britain who was

Progressive yeah thank you so much I'll

take and they literally believe that by

the way but Chris Morad brings up a good

point which is that you know the

bourgeoisie sorry today's affirmative

action left when it comes to you know

identity politics and oh this person

must be speaking because this is a queer

disabled latinx over I mean like

that is more in common with Bruno

Bauer's idea of national cultural

autonomy which is an institutionalized

form of national identity and cultural

identity

if anything is bearing the legacy of the

national cultural Identity or the

national movement Stalin was critiquing

and his Marxism in the National question

I dare anyone to try and argue with me

about this it was unironically

it's unironically today's leftist

identity politics today's leftist

identity politics whether it's LGBT

whether it's uh based on race whether

it's based on being a woman or a man

that is a direct inheritance of Bruno

Bowers

institutionalized Social Democratic you

know culture not Bourgeois national

movement because the national movement

isn't about the blood and soil of the

nation that that's not even something

being it's not even under consideration

for any anyone at this time in 1913

it's not relevant right the national is

a stand-in for the specific form the

specific institutions of the state

specific institution right

as far as Bruno Bauer's national

movement is concerned so the key thing

is not that it's National it's that it's

an institutionalized way of

giving people identity and commonality

through the Bourgeois institution of the

state right

so we've settled the I mean I'm just

giving you a recap of a debate that's

already happened there's really no way

to

there's no there's nothing else that

really needs to be said

right now I'm gonna we're gonna react to

the video together but I just want to

give you guys the broader context and I

can show you one more thing if you want

um

so

a lot of people think the Soviets kind

of anti-cosmopolitan sentiment was just

anti-Semitism and it wasn't but because

they defined it pretty clearly because

of the conclusion Stalin came to after

30 years of cultivating socialism they

hate wisdom same reason why they hate

his work economic problems of socialism

in the USSR so much exactly thank you so

much soapbox so this is something that

was written in 1949

and it was written by a Yugoslav

but this was while they were stalinists

this was a stalinist right

during the consultations held the

Central Committee sadanov said he cannot

be an internationalist who does not love

and respect his own people now maybe

second thought is being okay I broadly

agree with that but now look what he

says

a bitter struggle is now being pursued

in the Soviet Union under this slogan

against Bourgeois cosmopolitanism and

art philosophy and Science in the

editorial already quoted in number two

of The Rossi philosophy

cosmopolitanism is defined as follows

cosmopolitanism is a reactionary

ideology which preaches renunciation of

national traditions disparagement of

national individuality in the

development of different peoples

rejections of feelings of National Honor

and national pride

man he doesn't directly use the word

patriotism so I guess that's

I guess he's not talking about

patriotism well what about here

and

ridiculed what is called the Patriotic

Aesthetics of their time

which saw in Russian literature the

height of world literature

they proclaimed that genuine patriotism

the cultural of his time to see at the

same time the advantages of the foreign

culture over one zones and yet be able

to embrace one's own even more closely

it's not false patriotism or

narrow-minded bias it is but a noble

inevitable Endeavor to Know Thy selves

these are the words of a real Patriots

and internationalist

so the verdict the jury is out I just

pulled this up from Google if you're

like why specifically this has because I

was just fucking using Google at the

last minute for the stream just to show

you I'm just picking out basic Marxist I

mean there's so many examples this is

just the one I just picked out in two

seconds from Google right

yes

patriotism is not rooted in the

inequality of oh my race or my nation is

oppressed do I have to be temporarily

patriotic before I can be an enlightened

white you know leftist like you I mean

no patriotism is is a fundamental fact

of Communism this is not ever anything

in dispute in the entire history of

actually existing socialism and and even

Acro even something across the Sinnoh

Soviet split the Chinese the Russians

North Korea Vietnam Cambodia under Paul

pot everyone fucking agrees communism is

patriotic and is about patriotism it's

no one it's never been under dispute the

only fucking people who dispute this

our anarchists left comes I mean I'm not

even sure if Trotsky would dispute it I

mean yeah he he kind of did yeah I guess

Trotsky did so trotskyism left comes and

anarchists who only exist in the west by

the way are the only fucking people to

ever dispute this right

so it's it's it's I again it's not it's

never something that was in dispute but

here's second thought who just released

a video and second thought is someone

who pretends to be a Marxist leninist

and more broadly pretends to be a

Marxist and they decided to make a video

called Let me show this to you

why is American patriotism so weird now

here's what I find baffling about the

idea of making this video

second thought is a person first of all

who lives in America so how are you

taking a step what community are you

basing yourself in what is your position

of annunciation what what is American

patreon so we compared to what compared

to The Cosmopolitan internet where we're

all part of one Community I'm sorry but

that's just Bourgeois cosmopolitanism

you don't have a position of

annunciation that is not National

informed there's no such thing

Marxist internationalism is about

determinate relations cultivated between

different peoples it's not about

individuals abstracting themselves from

their countries or their Nations saying

oh why is American patriotism so weird

compared to what

compared to what do you think there's

like an uh a Cosmopolitan community that

is devoid of any national character well

yeah there is it's called the

bourgeoisie right

we called globalism and it was routinely

denounced in the Soviet Union

it was routinely denounced almost all

Communist States this idea that

communities can somehow be formed based

on this vague sense of

globality and and oh we're all part of

one shared human community that is not

somehow based in a diversity of

different peoples rather than just

individuals like for example Xi Jinping

uses the idea of a shared Destiny of

mankind

but in no way is that incompatible with

Chinese patriotism for she right when

she says a shared Destiny for mankind

he's talking about different Sovereign

Nations and different countries

forming relations with each other

for the sake of mankind as well that's a

great thing we're not against that but

this idea that you can somehow abstract

yourself from the national context of

your country and and be participating in

this Cosmopolitan community that has no

roots has no basis in anything

determined or concrete

this I'm sorry but this is liberalism

and there's there's no way around this

you can have this opinion fine just stop

clouding it in the language of Marxism

stop trying to pass this off as somehow

compatible with Marxism it's not I mean

it's not even philosophically compatible

with Marxism

Marxism believes that every universality

has a determinate form that's basic

dialectical logic every pretense to the

universal is based in a determinate

particular form and the only way to be a

consistent internationalist is to engage

in determinate relations between

different peoples and through these

relations maybe some new higher sublated

form can emerge out of that maybe right

but you don't begin from a position of

abstract universality According to which

oh why do we even care about patriotism

patriotism doesn't even matter no it

does fucking matter because that is

still the form

of the humanity you're dwelling in

there's no indeterminate Humanity

formless Humanity

Humanity takes different forms all

patriotism means is a basic commitment

to the form of humanity the form of a

human community

that you're beginning from right there's

no context to communist politics outside

of this this has never been under any

dispute according to basic Marxist

londonist Orthodoxy it's never been

under dispute

so before I even watch this video

he already got btfo right but I just

want to specifically draw to some of the

things he says because he's trying to

say American patriotism is so weird

well what do you mean it's weird

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to a non-american driving down roads

lined with American flags past people

dressed like this past Fields where hand

on heart Americans sing along to the

National Anthem for even the most

forgotten Little League game and past

bars where a USA chant is on a hair so I

kind of I kind of am trying to parse out

where he's coming from here and I'm like

oh you know what he's talking about guys

he's talking about compared to Europe so

compared to the European Union

which is a Bourgeois Cosmopolitan Hitler

right uh political block I guess this is

weird compared to these enlightened

Europeans right sorry JT that we're not

enlightened Europeans

but Russian Patriots

admire this Chinese Patriots admire this

they do it in their own countries right

China they do the same shit the Chinese

flags everywhere and yeah yes yes China

yes China yes that's what they fucking

do dude every healthy country has this

attitude period

by the way America's patriotism

if anything it's just it's very

superficial the more it's not rule right

when you when you see

when you go to like some hipster uh

Brewer Brew place in there I mean dude

this is not

what is this even what is this even

representing here this is just a bunch

of young professionals at a bar

that's not where it's coming from dude

where this is coming from is the you

know the flyover America

of course they're going to be deeply

patriotic that is their common Humanity

that's their that's their Commons right

this is it's just an individualistic

mentality like oh Americans are

excessively patriotic

they're not really not though right

when you I mean half of America is very

patriotic the other half is not

particularly I mean you're comparing us

to Europe you're not comparing us to uh

my small Hometown in China has streets

lined with flags I wonder if he finds

that weird he probably does right

probably does yeah look at North Korea

you don't think they're fucking

patriotic it's like this isn't weird at

all dude they're waving the flag

that rep dude because a people do not

represent themselves by representing

themselves as an individual a people

represent themselves by representing the

form of their humanity and that form yes

is National it's based in a country this

is communist common sense but if you're

an individualistic liberal you're going

to be mad that people are not premising

their Collective identity based on some

kind of contrived theoretical

Consciousness as if class Consciousness

or the proletarian identity is somehow

comparable to the National form that

gives it context you can't oppose the

proletarian solidarity with national

form right because according to the

Communist Manifesto itself class

struggle takes National form that is the

very context within which class struggle

occurs in other words

class struggle is not about repping the

American flag versus repping a flag that

second thought considers less offensive

it's about a fight over the American

flag class struggle happens when there's

a dispute about what the American flag

means right the coastal Elites look at

the American flag and they go this is

just like Hamilton the musical this

embodies the ideals of enlightened

liberals leading the way and Lady

Liberty ensuring all of the rights of

all of the marginalized whatever right

they're gonna have their own fucking

spin on it

the Washington D.C Patriots you know oh

yes America was founded on the idea of

Obama Obama Obama Obama right that's the

kind of that's the Bourgeois right in

the working class looks at the American

flag and the working class

the working class will look at the

American flag and then what do they see

they see something completely different

they see the American Flag represents my

job it represents my livelihood it

represents my family it represents my

father represents my grandfather it

represents my community it represents my

shared collective experience that's what

it represents for me it so the

proletarian view on on the

national identity if you want to call it

an identity is like

the American flag to me represents a

concrete community of people

within which I am apart

that is a primitive form of

working-class Consciousness when you

think about it because it's just like

yeah it's us the working class it's real

America the people who work with their

hands Blue Collar America this is our

shared Destiny it's our shared Community

that's what the American flag means to

them but the American flag to a liberal

in New York or a liberal uh in

Washington DC is going to be like oh

Obama Obama like that's you know it's a

complete it's the same flag but there's

like a parallax irreducible difference

as far as how it's understood and that

is a realm of class struggle right

thank you so much

communism never would have succeeded

anywhere if it wasn't National it

wouldn't have been accepted anywhere and

would have been rejected as Bourgeois

liberalism the idea that it isn't

patriotic is food Savage it's even more

simple than that it's not even just that

it'd be the wrong ideology it would

never have gained massive support Among

The Peasant majority

of whatever respective country

Communists were coming to power in there

would have been no way for it to have

like be meaningful to them how is that

even meaningful to them right

so

patriotism is not about an idea it's not

about a a set of values it's not really

a set of it's not an ideology it's just

it's just embracing a specific and

determinate commonality of the common

history a Common Language a common

reality a common collective experience

right

read Marxism in the National question by

the way if this somehow confuses you but

I mean dude second thought I'm sorry not

everyone is a Cosmopolitan detached uh

you know hipster

YouTuber who's just on let me put in my

oh I'm I'm yeah I'm just like part of

that shared International Community dude

you you don't know this consciously or

maybe you do but you're just dishonest

you stand where Dylan burn stands you

stand

where vosh stands you stand where nafo

stands you want to send money to Ukraine

now you may not say that you do but

that's where you stand you don't stay

you're not root you're not rooted in

America proper right

your position of annunciation is somehow

this

this um

this

ambiguous International Community of

international human rights and shared

Cosmopolitan values complete I mean that

is where you stand

that's the reality of NATO though that's

the reality of the World Bank and that's

the reality of the IMF that's the

reality of the CIA

it's the reality of the European Union

yeah sure it's the reality of you know

the American Empire pretty much that is

what the American Empire is

I have to remind you JT Chapman

that America was never supposed to be an

Empire if we Define an Empire as just

this country that is interested in going

beyond the limits

of its own National reality and kind of

like having bases around the world and

being a World Police that America was

never supposed to be that

I'm not just saying that on an Ideal

level by the way I'm not mean that

ideally I mean that formally like for

example our constitution

even even as much as our judicial system

is is just

you know completely relative depending

on the era meaning it's not like

something authentic

but if there's never been a real

judicial

consensus According to which the

Constitution could even be interpreted

to mean that the sovereignty of the

American state extends to this realm

you're talking about right

and yet we still objectively have an

American Empire we still have a CIA that

intervenes in every country in the world

we still have military bases all over

the fucking world we're still

intervening in the Affairs of every

country we're putting boots on the

ground invaded Iraq and fucking with

Libya we fucked with Libya I mean

trying to fuck with Iran and Russia and

China

sure but that is really beyond the form

of what America is that's beyond the

political sovereignty of the American

state

so this International Community that

you're basing yourself in is just

concretely the American Empire

and although it's not based in any clear

sovereign state institution it is

definitely based in global institutions

it's based in the first of all

materially Financial power of Wall

Street in the city of London AKA

International capital and through them

um

sorry they in turn base themselves in

the oil monopolies of the Rockefellers

the Morgans and others

and then through them you have the Civil

Society of globalism the network of the

open Society the think tanks the

policy-making institutions the

universities the academic institutions

the ngos right

the list is endless the media

organizations the cultural institutions

all these things

are part of what you would call the

International Community also a part of

the International Community is Big Tech

YouTube for example JT thought so the

reason you could even make this title

why is American patriotism so weird

and there might be a guy in Uruguay who

watches this is because there's one

shared American internet

right that's par it's an arm of the

American Empire

where it's a part of America the soft

power hegemony of the American Empire

like why is a guy in Uruguay on YouTube

is American-owned because YouTube isn't

just supposed to base itself to the

extent of America's sovereignty it's

supposed to

um serve the hegemonic interests of the

American Empire in terms of projecting

soft power right

so

you know

like this is not there isn't just a a a

a a world community of oh yeah we're

like JT is like sitting here thinking

like you know oh yeah me and Hakeem oh

we're all just here we're all just guys

living in the world and we're all just

part of the same Community it's like you

don't realize that that Community has a

determinate basis in like the actual

American Empire like there is an

American Empire it's not just the

natural state of man okay it's like a

specific institutional hegemony or

series of various different

institutional hegemenies forms of that

same hegemony right whether it's the

American internet and big Tech whether

it's the common lingua Franca derived

from shared network of academic

institutions whether it's ngos the media

Civil Society I mean it's all part of

a specific determinant

superstructure it's not just something

you should take for granted it's like oh

yeah this is just the world I'm here I'm

second thought I'm just gonna make a

video for the fucking world right now no

you're not dude you are an American on

an American platform

making a video for an audience

whose attention is

supposed to be retained for the purposes

ultimately of promoting American

hegemony

as much as counter hegemonic figures

like myself Jackson Hinkle others kind

of are getting in the way of that and

that's why it's so easy I mean it's why

second thought will never get banned but

I can get banned all the time pretty

much

because I'm not aligned with that

hegemony I I'm like throwing a monkey

wrench in what YouTube is supposed to

actually be doing YouTube is supposed to

project the soft power interest of the

American Empire it's that fucking simple

I throw a monkey wrench into that

therefore they try to ban me censor me

and Shadow Batman as much as they

fucking can second thought you are

fundamentally compatible

with what YouTube is supposed to do

that's why you're not going to get

banned right but it's just this this

iPhone this fucking idea that see

cosmopolitanism is a lie there's no such

thing as a Cosmopolitan community

the international bourgeoisie

is based in specific countries it's yeah

I agree America is oppressing the world

but the cosmopolitans want to make it

seem like oh yeah there's no it's not

America oppressing the world it's just

all one Global Village no it's not

there's no equality in This Global

fucking Village it's one country

oppressing others and oppressing the

people the working class of its own

country as well just like how the

British Empire was set up

but the institutions are Anglo-Saxon

they are determinately Anglo-Saxon

institutions right and subjectively the

case

um so Ironically in in the name when you

critique American patriotism like this

you're just absolving yourself

responsibility of waging the class

struggle within America and within the

American Country what you're basically

doing is saying

I'm just above it all I'm American

patriotism is weird

you're just a participating in the way

in which our Elites are hiding the

national character of their projected

globalist Community there is no

globalist Community there's no

Cosmopolitan Community yes it's really

it's brutal relations of domination

between countries

but when you put when you participate in

that Global Community by denying your

own national roots you're reinforcing

the soft power hegemony of the Empire

thank you so much Clive they don't want

us to be American Patriots because they

want us to be NATO Patriots exactly for

example for example thank you so much

class for example I am of course and I'm

of course I'm an American Patriot right

but that also makes me responsible I

have to be responsible for the way my

country is trying to fuck with China

trying to fuck with the countries of the

world of course I have to be responsible

for that right when I talk to a Chinese

person and he tells me

what your country is doing is

hypocritical wrong unfair whatever

I have to I can't just be like what vosh

and second thought would probably say is

like oh I agree trust me America sucks I

like hate America too I'm an anarchist

like I hate America too but your

country's violating human rights and

like I'm against the violation of human

rights in my country but you should not

get away it's like I of course I can't

fucking do that I'm an American Patriot

so I have to be like yeah I I I wanna

I'm I'm an American my country's fucking

with your country how do I justify that

I can't all I can tell you is the people

who are fucking with you are fucking

with my people too and I I want to join

you hand in hand in fighting them the

best I can

but I agree with you basically right I

can't I in no way can I abstract myself

from my americanness I can't pretend to

not be American I am a fucking American

how can you pretend to be otherwise you

can't you have to be responsible

so even when you critique America you're

just objectively benefiting actual

American imperialism sorry

that came out wrong

when you

critique American patriotism from the

perspective of cosmopolitanism

you're objectively benefiting the

American Empire by participating in the

veneer of a global Cosmopolitan

community that is concretely based in

America's Imperial hegemony and I'm sure

second thought and Hakeem have this idea

that they're gonna somehow amend or

ratify American imperialism with an

affirmative action we're like oh I I

also wanna I also want to be promoted on

YouTube thank you so much Lionel

I mean I agree with the American Empire

and the whole Cosmopolitan globalism

stuff but I just want indigenous people

to be the face of it that's what they're

saying right thanks so much

you hit the nail on the head when you

pointed out that it's one hegemon

oppressing the world yeah this liberal

cosmopolitanism is commonly weaponized

in the both sides bad rhetoric exactly

right Russia is a perfect example they

go I'm against both Russia and what NATO

is doing in Ukraine of course an

American Patriot cannot say that because

an American Patriot has to take

responsibility for what their country's

fucking doing and the objective fact is

how can I abstract myself from my

fucking National obligations by saying

both sides bad I am part of this I don't

get it I don't I don't I don't get to

get away from this scot-free and be like

Oh both sides are bad how could I

fucking say that when it's my government

which is responsible for the fucking War

right I can't just fucking pretend like

I'm uh I have nothing to do with America

no I do have something to fucking do

with America and I do have to fucking

take a side because I'm already taking a

side you already taken aside either way

this is what our government is fucking

doing it if you pay taxes they're doing

it with your tax dollars of course you

have to fucking take a side right

but that's something only an American

Patriot can fucking do someone who

acknowledges yes I am an American yes I

am interested in furthering the

interests of my people as Americans my

fellow Americans of course I'm living in

America I'm breathing it I'm already

responsible for America I can't abstract

myself and pretend like I'm part of some

fucking Global Cosmopolitan community

that says oh American patriotism is so

weird based on what second thought based

on fucking what you're already in the

thick of America's Imperial hegemony

you're already in the fucking thick of

it you're already a fucking American on

the American fucking internet so stop

being a fucking coward and take a

fucking side

in this class struggle you're either a

working class Patriot or you're a

Bourgeois Cosmopolitan period and yes

the Bourgeois Cosmopolitan

thank you so much Chris leftoids always

bring up Marxism the enqueue but never

1928 selenism and the NQ where Stalin

limited abolishing Nations exclusively

to the period after the establishment of

the duty on a world no I mean thank you

so much Chris but the shit he says in

this video it's so outrageously stupid

you're not even gonna fucking believe it

right because he says some incredibly

stupid shit

it even goes beyond that where it's more

like but yeah I get it

I get it oftentimes the bourgeoisie used

this patriotism as a pretext

opportunistically for whipping up the

working class to follow suits in their

Imperial Endeavors that's what happened

in the Iraq War and it's probably it's

probably what's gonna happen

with uh the next war with China and it's

it's happening for example when it comes

to vosh being like oh you know what

America is like the protector of

the special agendas that I can't talk

about on YouTube anymore

but you know what the you know the the

call the flag with a lot of colors on it

oh I'm a patriotic American now because

America's the woke Empire and I'm a woke

leftist so I may as well be like yeah we

get there's an opportunistic patriotism

that's used by the bourgeoisie but what

needs to be stressed is that that is not

based in any authentic National reality

capital is borderless capitalism is

borderless capitalism is not rooted in

any Nation they wear the mask of Nations

capitalists I mean

they were the mask of Nations

to get people on board with the agenda

based on the British Empire

but

that's not like based on any authentic

working-class National sentiment it's

trying to disguise itself in that

sentiment to dupe working people into

supporting the Endeavors of the

imperialist state right

again this is like basic Marxist

leninist Orthodoxy

and by the way I've

it's not to say Stalin ever advocated

for abolishing Nations he just predicted

Nations

would probably become Superfluous in

some way very far into the future

but has no concrete relevance here and

now right

anyway

um

I'm just so sick of this posturing right

second thought oh why is American

patriotism so weird dude you are a

fucking American you're not one of those

good Americans you are a fucking

American so start taking responsibility

for it

you're not part of some shared

International Community you're part of

the American Community stop pretending

like you're not part of this or you're

somehow outside of this or you're gonna

sit here and say oh I want to just

destroy my own country

it's just an anarchistic anti-social

stance what are you telling American

workers what are you telling them

I want to destroy you no I just want

instead of being waving American flags I

want you to wave second thoughts flag

who the fuck are you dude are you gonna

be the founding father of a new country

second thought you're not

you don't offer an alternative to the

the proletarian class struggle is not an

alternative to the form in which that

very same class struggle takes place you

can't just be like yeah I want a a

formless proletarian

ideology in the stead of American

patriotism

dude that's not

that's not

a real thing

one is a real existing

material reality basically like a

concrete community of shared experience

the other is the pretense to a

collective

a collectively shared experience

which still has to be proven concretely

and you're not doing that by saying that

we should form a a proletarian identity

from scratch it's not how it works

proletarian Consciousness doesn't emerge

like what Lou Cox tries to say when

workers start to Define themselves

solely based on the collective

institutional consciousness of

themselves

According to some like Universal

Criterion proletarian Consciousness

begins when the working class becomes

aware of its own reality

notwithstanding the fact that reality of

course takes National form that's never

been under dispute it's like the reality

that workers are becoming self-conscious

of

takes National form

there's no way to proletarian

Consciousness if you cannot somehow be

cognizant of that fact because you would

not actually

put it this way proletarian

Consciousness is a form of

self-consciousness it's not a pretense

to a new identity it's a pretense to a

real existing one so when you're saying

proletarian conscious you're not saying

oh I want you to conform to my

theoretical Consciousness it's saying I

want you to be aware of your own reality

as a class the determinate Reality by

the way your own determinate reality as

a class not the abstract reality of my

theory but the actual existing like

there is a working class it does have

its own

reality opposed to the bourgeoisie it

does have its own interests those

interests are National informed right

because think about it

when we say American patriotism we're

not saying we're not calling for workers

to be loyal to any political institution

we're not telling them to be loyal to

the fucking government I'm not telling

them to be loyal to any like political

institution of the state we are just

taking up the banner right of their

their shared collective experience and

the form that takes and

doing that through

a communist working class institution

right we're trying to build an

independent Communist party that is the

institution that's the sole political

institution we're trying to make the

workers loyal to

but that institution could never

properly represent them and their

interests if it doesn't take into

account the specific and determinate

National form that they belong to I mean

how is this controversial again this is

basic Orthodox Marxism leninism it's a

basic Marxist leninist Orthodoxy no one

is saying

like you keep referring to Lenin's

polemics against

the social Democrats and the eve of the

first imperialist war

you're not aware of the fact crucially

though that what Lenin meant by social

patriotism wasn't people who

acknowledged the national form of class

struggle it was people who were

um basically

um giving away the political sovereignty

of the working class to the ins

political institutions ruling them like

dude they're not fucking talking about a

vague sense of national pride

they're talking about where the Social

Democratic party literally is in

Parliament voting for war credits for

the fucking political State that's

already in power like dude they're not

talking about the country

social patriotism isn't referring to

people who are expressing patriotic

sentiment for their country vaguely it's

referring to people

opportunistically expressing patriotic

sentiment in the name of kissing the

fucking government's ass dude everything

is topsy-turvy because it's really the

Maga people who are anti-government

right now they're the ones critiquing

the fucking FBI they're the ones who got

in trouble for doing a certain something

I can't talk about they're the ones who

are questioning the institutions of the

American state in fundamental ways that

will literally get you banned on YouTube

if you talk about them they're the ones

positioning themselves against the

actual concrete political institutions

of the bourgeoisie

foreign they're the ones who are doing

it and the organs of their soft power

like the social media big tech for

example just the one that's e what about

big Pharma can I I can't talk about that

we're not gonna mention it but

you know what I mean

that's what maga's doing and you're

accusing us of being the object of Lenin

scorn no Lenin's talking about

cocksuckers who are basically

submitting

to the political authorities that be

that's not us dude

that's the people

who are getting on board with literally

every CIA agenda that's being fucking

astronaut those are the people getting

on board with all of the movements the

enlightened Progressive movements that

are taking over

all of the countries under the Dominion

of the American Empire

and calling everyone who opposes these

reactionaries it's you dude it's not us

it's about if are you loyal to the

political power of the bourgeoisie not

as a theoretical abstraction the

actually existing one

they're not talking about the

bourgeoisie as like oh the the the the

the the people who want this Society no

they're talking about this actual

fucking group in power

the bourgeoisie like it's an actual one

it's the real not a theory it's like the

real one right

why is this so fucking controversial I

don't get it right see like second

thought gets 200 000 views on this video

200 000 views

and it's like nobody raises this problem

except me right the trigger is all very

strange every Ford commercial in this

country is about how the US is sick as

hell every bald eagle is swollen yeah

Ford has to sell products

Ford sells products by appealing to

people's sentiments the burden of proof

is still on you to show us how those

sentiments have been shaped by Ford

rather than sentiments that are deeply

rooted in people's material reality

full every beer is a gun and a kid just

pledging allegiance to the flag is a

heartwarming story on National

Television in no other country in the

world thank you so much when a red lip

says comrade it's exactly the same as

when they say folks they are people

unified only by their inability to

engage in real relationships within

their Nation community and even family

no really for real

the world is there such a widespread

emotional attachment to the symbols of a

bureaucratic government structure

no these aren't the symbols of a

bureaucratic government structure again

they're the symbols of a shared

Community a shared historical experience

and a shared reality if you don't

understand this you don't understand the

first thing about what the American

working class is in this country

it's incredible by the way it's not true

what did he say in no other country flag

is a heartwarming story on National

Television in no other country in the

world is there such a widespread

emotional attachment to the

no in almost every

he said in no other country in the world

this is such a widespread attachment

to the symbols of the nation and the

country

how many of you believe that if you so

nobody pointed out that this is just

like an outrageously stupid thing to say

how can you say this with any self do

you know anything about other countries

thank you so much Jen I appreciate you

companies sell to people the government

is bypassing the people how they miss

this dude India has like the biggest bot

Army on the internet and it's just for

Indian national pride nothing else

the biggest one on the internet

you can't even you can't even talk about

fucking you can't even talk talk about

who's Wednesday Adam what's her name

Jenna Ortega you can't even talk about

Jenna Ortega without Indian flag armies

coming to talk about fucking Indian

Pride or something

you can't even talk about fucking um

what's some other random shit

you can't even talk about Ariana Grande

literally there'll be a tweet like

honest I stand Ariana Grande and they'll

be like thousands of fucking replies

of Indian Flags saying

I don't know right India's superpower

2050 or something like dude that's just

India right but it's like dude you have

no idea how the world is

the symbols of a bureaucratic government

structure it's incredibly strange but I

get that a lot of patriotism is just

having fun for a lot of people it's like

wearing your team's colors to a game

it's a good time the problem is that

that's not all that patriotism or its

defense is

almost every week I always talking

vaguely about patriotism he's talking

very broadly about the problem of

patriotism there's a very broad Pro of

patriotism in general as an abstraction

so now he's gonna debunk and dispel the

abstraction of patriotism

from the from his uh YouTube channel I

get an email definitely not patriotic

because his YouTube channel is based in

the International Community it's not

based in America but calling me a

traitor or anti-American scum for some

reason in this I never get called that

ever and I'm the I am JT

hey second thought

I got banned

I got deep platforms I can never stream

on Twitch again

because I critiqued my own fucking

Empire

I have I have never gotten an email of

someone calling me anti-American

I have literally put myself on the line

to oppose American imperialism

hey second thought when I first fucking

came on the internet

you know what I got canceled for it

wasn't culture War stuff

it wasn't even being a pat sock

I got canceled for being a genocide

denier because I defended China against

the accusations of committing genocide

I defended China against the liberal

critics who were calling it a fascist

authoritarian State while your friend

bad Empanada was joining with all these

liberals attacking me for defending

China before I set a fucking word about

patriotism bad Empanada literally

attacked me

because I said that

imperialism is referring to a specific

European late European neo-colonialism

or it's a specifically modern European

thing it's not referring to these

ancient empires and bad empanada

try to ridicule me for saying this basic

Marxist truism

he had a problem with me saying that

dude

my reputation among the left was

destroyed before anything before any of

this stuff about patriotism they tried

to destroy my reputation

because of my fervent opposition to U.S

imperialism before I set a fucking word

about anything relating to the culture

war or anything relating to patriotic

socialism I was here defending China I

was here defending the cause of

anti-imperialism consistently

I got fucking smeared for it

for opposing AOC and other War mongers

I have never gotten called anti-American

I've never gotten those angry emails

so if you're getting called

anti-American second thought it's not

because you're critiquing American

imperialism it's not because you're

critiquing American capitalism

it's because people can see right

through you and all their basic wisdom

you are a shill

for the international bourgeoisie and

they see right through you when you talk

what they hear is CNN what they hear is

the ruling institutions of society

that's why they call you a anti-American

because you are an enemy of the American

working class

this country good faith criticism almost

always triggers this knee-jerk reaction

that the person no it doesn't and this

is what I'm trying to prove here

it most definitely does not

no good faith criticism does not provoke

I don't get that reaction

and again I have literally gotten

de-platformed I've literally they tried

to destroy and tarnish my reputation

because I put myself on the line

opposing American imperialism

person raising their concerns or more

often just advocating for their own

self-determination hates America let's

take an example here's an email I got

from someone who probably genuinely

believes they love their country and

thinks

you know what douchebag if you hate the

system and countries so fucking much

grab a bag pack it up

head either north or south

by The American or Mexican-American

Community Customs officer denounce your

citizenship Fork over your ideas and

Biometrics be erased and go live but

don't ever come back

you know why he's telling you that dude

he's telling you that because you're

sitting here

you're above everyone right you're

sitting here

bitching and whining about the country

you live in you're offering no Positive

Solutions

you're just bitching and whining if

you're not an American then yeah get the

fuck out of here the only people who

should be in America

politically and political leaders in

America the only ones who should be here

are the ones interested in fighting for

the American people go to fucking Canada

if you're not interested in doing that

go somewhere else go to Europe or you

worship it you cannot fucking be here if

you're just gonna sit here and bitch at

the hard-working people of this country

whining and complaining

now if you're gonna root yourself in the

working class and then critique the

government and the system

you'll get not that guy would love you

if you actually told that guy I'm a

fellow American hand in hand let's fight

our Elites take our country back and

stop this corrupt system that God would

fucking love you dude he'd be a fan of

you

he doesn't want he's not he's not

defending the status quo

he just hates

your anti-social stance it's an and it's

an anti-worker stance

workers work every day they go to the

fucking construction they go to their

Factory they go wherever they go to

their minds and they work

every day they're not interested in um

an indeterminate whining and bitching

give us a working solution and maybe

you'll have people's ear have a working

solution right you don't have a working

you talk about anti-capitalism what does

your socialism actually look like

what do you mean what so what does it

mean well I just think um it's always an

appeal for them to just get it get in a

circle and start listening to you I just

think we'll just think should I kind of

get together and discuss overthrowing

capitalism

they don't have time to discuss anything

with you they're busy actually working

that's why second thought is what

they're doing is a Justified defense and

you know what let's give this viewer the

benefit of the doubt if you

wholeheartedly believe that someone

hates you and or the place you call home

it's not entirely unreasonable to get

angry with them like this but here's the

thing if you really want to label

yourself patriotic this kind of approach

is completely counterproductive think

about it for a second if you care about

your country you should be among the

first to call out problems when you see

them if you love your country that's not

the problem JT even Maga calls out

problems the issue with you is that you

have a pretentious stance and your

pretentious stance is that you're above

them you're not one of them you're not

you're above them somehow you're part of

the enlightened euro-liberal you know I

don't fucking know you're like you're

like oh I'm gonna protect the system

based on what

based on the shared collective

experience of the American working class

sure critique the system they'll love

you they'll fucking subscribe and

they'll be that'll be your audience you

won't do that because you'll get banned

if you do that consistently you'll just

get banned

that's why you don't do it you play it

safe now you don't have haters dude

you don't have and he's made he made a

whole fucking video because he got some

angry emails dude no wonder you're a

liberal no wonder you're a liberal if

you are Haas on the internet

you know how much fucking hate I get you

know how much DMS from lib lip shits I

get you know how much these people try

to smear me slander me and defame me

objectively I'm not just saying that

uh vaguely I mean like

objectively black and white they lie

about me it's not up for dispute

if you ask people who is Haas they will

say my name is Adam they'll say Haas is

a white guy named Adam who's half French

and half Maronite

but it's not true

objectively it's not but it's still a

lie that is that gets propagated there's

other lies that get propagated about me

like that I'm a fascist or I'm Hitler or

that I I support George I mean there's

so many stupid things people believe

about me that are just lies you want to

know why second thought

because the real Haas doesn't even get a

chance

to be heard by 90 of politically

interested people on the internet why

because they've quarantined Me by

smearing me and defaming me so much

you know what I mean like

dude you get you get an audience of of 3

000 commenters probably like oh this is

a reasonable yeah because you don't

you're not dude you're not upsetting

anyone in power you're not dangerous

if you are so sensitive to a fucking

email

I know exactly why you would never ever

be like me dude you can't take the heat

you you would never be able to be a

communist JT because

if you're actually going to be a real

communist and you're going to be

creating content you're going to be an

influencer oh boy oh boy do you gotta

have thick skin oh boy do you have to

take the heat oh boy do you have to deal

with the fact that there are people who

are dedicating every moment of their

life to try and bring you down

and and you don't get a there's no

fairness it's not like you get a trial

you know these leftists will will make

some shit up by you it'll get 10 000

likes you think there's a trial you

think that you go to court and everyone

presents their evidence and you get a

fair trial no

people will just believe lies about you

and you you can't even debunk it because

your platform isn't even big enough to

reach all the people lying about you

to believe all the lies about you JT you

wouldn't even have your platform of 1.5

million people to defend yourself

you'd be banned before you could ever

get that big you'd be Shadow banned

JT Jackson Hinkle

by the time he got to like 70 000 Subs

YouTube demonetized him and gave him two

strikes

you got to 1.5 million subscribers

do you think anyone's gonna sit here and

think you're a threat to the system

when Jackson got to like 70k YouTube was

like oh you know what we gotta fucking

throw a monkey wrench

in this guy's way and just get rid of

him two strikes they gave him

he had to delete his old fucking Channel

and start from scratch

and they demonetize them

dude second thought if you were if you

were a communist

you would not

have all of these you would not have 3

000 Anonymous people support you in your

comment section

I I promise you wouldn't have this I

promise

like like the way they do like you you

wouldn't

you wouldn't be devoid of so much

controversy if you were a real communist

if you're actually a communist dude they

will smear you they will drag you

through the fucking mud dude you have no

idea

you have no idea the Lang still fucking

go to dude

and he's they'll literally they don't

care if you're guilty or not they will

make shit up about you you don't get a

trial thank you so much Chris the

revolution will not be televised thank

you so much Chris it's like dude

you don't get

you don't understand if you think this

email is worth making an 18 minute video

over you have really thin skin

this is extremely thin skin dude and

your fellow Americans you should want to

fix those problems not blindly defend

them this kind of behavior isn't

patriotic it's ignorant all those quote

unquote Traders are doing is bringing

attention to problems that all yeah but

hold on wait a second Monica are the

people who get de-platformed for talking

about certain problems in America

and certain problems with America's

Medical industry

and yet you're trying to make it seem

like Maga is here calling everyone who

critiques America's problems

um

uh anti-American that's not true

it's the people who are trying to impose

an Institutional agenda in the name of

that self-criticism

that they're opposing they're not

opposing people for conscientiously

objecting to America's injustices

they're opposing an agenda that's being

imposed on everyone

which is in the name of this oh where

we're America we can do better we can do

better so so we can do better so we're

gonna just fucking like you know

have you reduce your hamburger

consumption or some shit

we we can do better so we're just gonna

take your fucking jobs away and tell you

to fucking learn to code right

all of us should want to solve there's

nothing Un-American about caring for

your unhoused neighbors nothing

unreasonable about pointing out that our

medical bills are the highest in the

world and that we should work to lower

them it's not being a traitor to suggest

who is Veronica what do you what are you

talking about

but the United States is who is that

who's Veronica I don't know he's not

living up to the standards it claims to

set for itself and the rest of the world

and it's not Un-American to identify

that the root of the problem runs pretty

deep I think we can all agree that these

problems exist that's not the issue most

of the time the issue comes when someone

suggests that the cause of these

problems is structural and therefore

requires structural change

no it's not um the problem is when you

try to pass off your billionaire-funded

institutional agendas as structural

change

you call it structural change

always on the sign I don't know I have

no idea

a lot I mean you're calling it

structural change

but what is it actually it's actually

just

and institutionally enforced agenda

that doesn't lead to any change

whatsoever but which participates in the

oppression of ordinary Americans a lot

of these problems these things that we

can all agree are hurting people both in

this country and beyond our borders

aren't just a matter of badge did you

not see that when you say oh I'm just

critiquing America most people see that

as okay you want to control us even more

let's critique America guys so let's

give the government more power and let's

give institutions more power

second thought if you're if your premise

is fuck the government

begin from scratch though people will

listen to anything you have to say

right

but again you're not going to put your

career on the line

you're gonna Pander to Reddit

because you're what you're saying is

just inoffensive and innocuous to most

NPCs who don't have to critically think

about anything people they are an

integral part of the American experiment

going all the way back to the country's

founding and the principles our economy

is built on and it's okay to point that

out what what principles

the constant okay to point that out but

you you know you're wondering why people

oppose you JT

because what are you replacing our

constitution with are they involved in

that no they're not you're 1619 project

didn't consult people's Collective

experiences it was manufactured in

American universities

it's being enforced on an Institutional

level oftentimes

the people are not they're not figured

in in it at all there's they have

nothing to do with it institution allows

for amendments because it was written

with the idea that things would change

and what was accepted by the founding

fathers doesn't have to be accepted by

us today just because the Constitution

is still around doesn't mean that

everything in it is good or works it

just means that no one thinks that

no one thinks that

is that it's a document that effectively

for example for example didn't Trump say

I want to show you what a like idiot

this guy is dude didn't Trump directly

say yeah let's just like rewrite the

Constitution and nobody cared his

supporters didn't mind clearly you're

not getting to the essence of the matter

you're just you're just dealing with the

symptoms you're not dealing with the

underlying reason

why you're getting these hate mail

comments

okay if Trump made a tweet saying the

Constitution should be burned his

supporters would be

open-minded at least

it's not based in a night it's based in

the context what does it mean to say

that

Trump is saying oh the con like it's

it's a class war basically I know Trump

is hijacking it for his own reasons sure

but that is still based in a real form

of social antagonism which is based on

the rule of institutional Elites

versus the rest of the country that is

resistant to the domestication by these

institutions protected its own existence

fun fact

mothers who are always portrayed as

Dusty old dudes in History Channel

documentaries were actually in their 20s

you wouldn't want a constitution written

by a bunch of Frat Boys to be immortal

and unchangeable

no we don't want a we don't want a

constitution

based in a bunch of Frat Boys

we want it based in a bunch of teenage

furries on Twitter who identify as maois

or Oren the elderly wisdom of Joe Sims

and Rosanna Cameron

would you okay so hopefully I love how

there's literally this war of

independence where people shed blood

fighting the British Empire

and the whole I mean the American people

rise up the Yeoman the farmers

and according to this so-called Marxist

all of this is reducible to the age and

experience of the founding fathers not

the entire social and political and

historical change and movement that they

merely represented no it's just oh the

whole American Constitution is just like

Frat Boys for yeah forget about the

actual war of independence and forget

about actual history it's like the great

man theory of History except he's trying

to say the men in this case are not

great still a great man theory of

History

hopefully I've made it clear that a

better conception of patriotism would

require a willingness to soberly assess

and Tackle our country's problems with

that we've already broached the topic of

what's called uncritical patriotism but

there's no reason we can't let go of

patriotism entirely dude it's just not

true again

most of the criticisms of the status quo

come from maga maga is the one we're

teaching everything about what our

government is actually currently doing

name a single thing our government do is

you're going to find people in manga

critiquing hey so much Urban Savage he's

literally dealing in straw man arguments

that's a massive red flag but the NPCs

aren't Discerning enough to see it his

understanding of American patriotism

basically what he read in New York Times

yeah yeah these are just all Straw Men

honestly

and this video will make that claim for

American patriotism specifically

patriotism especially here in the states

doesn't actually build genuine

solidarity like the glorified image of

patriotism might have you believe

yeah but it does though I'm sorry dude

when you go dude

dude I'm sorry it's just like I don't

know where you live

dude I'm sorry but like go on any Lake

on the 4th of July and tell me that

there's no genuine solidarity between

People based on American Patriots and it

sounds stupid it's not really about

standing together in any meaningful way

yeah except in the most meaningful of

all ways which is the concrete

historical experiences and history of

the people

instead patriotism in this country

actually reinforces divisions along

aesthetic lines convenient to those in

power it encourages exceptionalist

thinking and xenophobia with

consequences neither good for the world

nor for average Americans and having

been

dude

xenophobia and exceptionalism

Trump literally said he hates the word

American exceptionalism

again who is who is okay broadly

speaking within American politics

broadly speaking

which

formation that exists in American

politics now

is more willing

to critique

America's interventions in the world

uh it's the Maga movement right it's not

that's not really something that can be

disputed and injected with

anti-communist rhetoric during the Cold

War patriotism has become this loyalty

to the myth that the US is the sole

Bastion of goodness and freedom in the

world

yeah you talk about anti-communism

during the Cold War

but don't you realize that the content

of that anti-communism was precisely the

idea

that communism as opposed to patriotism

don't you do you not see how um for

example

the Communist part of USA even at this

time

went out of its way to make a huge huge

effort

to promote the view that Communists were

patriotic for America

drawing from the legacy of the popular

front

and the experience of the second World

War I mean sorry dude but you have the

whole thing missing

which makes any claim that something

might be wrong unjust and possible for

us to change seem like a declaration of

war let's talk about that patriotism is

always promoted as solidarity behind the

symbols the territory the language the

culture when you sit here and you say I

want to set up a special bureaucratic

Institution

to control Americans lives even more

yeah people are going to call you an

anti-American and rightfully so

again because you're basically

presenting yourself as like yeah I'm

gonna go beyond your form of sovereignty

and try to control you in ways that you

don't even live and die for

in the form of like

American actual political sovereignty

I wanna I have this special agenda to

fuck with your lives and everything in

your lives

no dude nobody wants to hear that shit

nobody wants to hear

let's give more control to the

government no one wants to hear that

whatever patriotism attaches itself to

its main draw isn't we all like these

three colors it's community and

solidarity with other people this idea

that even people you've never met and

will never meet are there for you and

you're there for them it's a nice idea

and said I don't I don't think so no I

think that's I think these that's maybe

for people who don't have strong family

ties that that's the appeal of it but

the the main appeal of patriotism

is meaningfulness you're just trying to

like make sense of your Humanity

and trying to give meaning to like

what is the specific history and form of

humanity you live it and dwell with it

in this abstract way there's nothing

inherently wrong with it but there are a

couple problems with the reality of

patriotic quote unquote solidarity for

starters it obviously doesn't extend to

everyone and patriotic solidarity

specifically is weaponized for

conservative ends the political

scientist Benedict Anderson puts it very

clearly when he says regardless of the

actual inequality and exploitation that

may prevail in each the nation is always

conceived as a deep horizontal

comradeship and as you might

expect this is something that those who

benefit from inequality and exploitation

can use if enough people can be

convinced that Unity along the lines of

nationality is more important than

pretty much anything else than calling

it

According to second thought

Unity on the basis of nationality is

just an idea that people are convinced

by not an actual fucking concrete

reality based on actual real concrete

fucking differences between nations

it's just an idea dude just why don't we

just unite on the basis of like

why don't we just like unite on the

basis of like

you know

music

dude the reason you can't Unite with

Mexicans on the basis of uh uh of

something higher than the national one

is because Mexicans have their own

sovereignty and you have your own

sovereignty before you talk about

uniting with Mexicans about with on

anything you have to address the

question of the concrete relationship

between your form of sovereignty and

theirs because you may think you can

create a relationship of equality

but the actual National differences will

inevitably exert themselves regardless

of whether you acknowledge them or not

and the only way for those National

differences to

resolve themselves into a relationship

of genuine equality is if you respect

them and you acknowledge them in the

first place

paying attention to all the internal

conflicts within a society can be swept

under the rug as dividing us for

Patriots Unity is what makes the country

proud and strong so it's better not to

point out how that Unity is held

together by one group oppressing another

or we might risk losing that Unity but

obviously not calling out oppression

benefits the people doing the oppressing

through the idea of the nation people

come to identify with their exploiters

in a way that justifies he doesn't

really use concrete examples

he just uses vague buzzwords like

oppression that I guess liberals will

intuitively understand but everyone else

will be at a loss for what he's trying

to actually talk about the continued

existence for example some people are

proud that their country has more

billionaires than other countries for

some reason being born within a couple

thousand miles of one another and within

the same border gets people to identify

with those who have hoarded more wealth

than we can even understand

most people share almost nothing in

common with their country's billionaires

and almost everything with the average

person in another country but that

feeling of pride gets them to disregard

one set of differences and makes the

small

no dude you're right like the people who

are um really patriotic in America

totally love Bill Gates and Mark

Zuckerberg

dude

you know what dude you're right dude

that Maga trucker yeah don't you love

Bill Gates because he's a fellow

American and they'll be like yeah I love

Bill Gates man I love Mark Zuckerberg

totally the epitome of a son of the soil

hard-working fellow American

who is this video even made for

all the differences with foreigners seem

a lot bigger as a result the

exploitation that is necessary for

billionaires to exist seems less

important when we're told it's in the

service of something we share the

greatness of America even though the

greatness of America who is this what

are we talking about I would love to see

the Maga truck crew who's like yeah Bill

Gates

I love Bill Gates

I love Mark Zuckerberg I love those guys

hell yeah

there's almost nothing to make your life

better but billionaires oh I know what

he's talking about

he's talking about the one exception

he's talking about Donald Trump

oh that's what he means so he's using

all these other people to make oh I'm

not just talking about Trump I'm talking

about other no you're just talking about

Trump talking about the you're talking

literally about the one member of the

ruling class who got kicked out

and then basically got so bitter

that he cultivated this like counter

hegemonic movement

and you're you're saying that maga's

relationship to Trump epitomizes the

relationship of Patriots to billionaires

in general the reason you can't

extrapolate

maga's loyalty to Trump to some

generality of billionaires is because

Trump is quite literally the exception

he's the member of the ruling class or

at least the former member of the ruling

class if we are to believe

all the claims that he's in debt and

shit

that he's kind of like a Promethean

figure for these people he's like he's

the one who turned against he was a

class Trader basically right

and that that was very powerful

for the Maga movement it's like Trump

had all the power of the ruling class

oppressing us

but he decided to Believe in Us instead

and that's why they're so fucking loyal

to him it's not because they're loyal to

billionaires in general because if they

were you'd think there were more

billionaires that they idolized in the

same way but there aren't almost all the

other billionaires are openly hated by

Maga Davos and the world economic forum

is literally the object of all of maga's

the reactionary conspiracy theories

I mean you could even mention Elon Musk

but

Elon is more like the Trump for young

people

Trump supporters don't necessarily like

Elon that much

as far as like the Maga boomers are

concerned but the younger ones probably

like Elon a little more than Trump

but um it's it really varies honestly

Everyone likes Elon because of what he

did with Twitter even I do actually

right

but beyond that I mean what political

relevance is there to Elon Musk

not much I mean even Trump

critiqued Elon musk's rockets and shit

so it's kind of ambiguous you know I

don't really see Maga people like buying

Teslas all the time it's not really like

their identity right getting tax cuts

and skirting labor laws definitely makes

it worse this is something that's really

apparent when conservative Patriots talk

about the experience of black Americans

for example in a recent interview the

conservative Economist Glenn Lowry said

quote look here we are we are African

Americans but we are Americans first we

are not African in any way that's

meaningful yes our ancestors may have

been enslaved but they were also

emancipated we are literally the richest

and most powerful people of African

descent on the entire planet we have 10

times the income on average of the

typical Nigerian there's an enormous

black middle class and black

billionaires the translation pride in

the existence of the possibility of

black success justifies the continued

exploitation of the vast majority of

black people if you are black you should

be grateful to have the incredibly

unlikely chance to have more money than

you know what to do with instead of

complaining that this system is rigged

against you and in a similar way you'd

be surprised how common that sentiment

is

and I I don't really feel like it's your

business I feel like that's black

people's business to critique or to not

critique but like

it's it's it's more of a common

sentiment than you'd think

is all I'd really say

namely this idea that like we're

Americans first it's extremely common

sentiment

especially when you consider the

tensions between

the American black community and

Africans there is a huge tension right

I'm not necessarily justifying that

um

sentiment

but I'm just saying like

for someone who's so adamant to talk

about the exploitation of Black America

kind of seems like you're ignoring

well you shouldn't you just shouldn't

talk about

something that you're not a part of

right it's up to black people to discuss

and articulate

their own exploitation quote unquote not

you hey is ripped against other black

people in another country by implying

that black Americans should prioritize

their belief that exploits their racial

otherness to deny them a comfortable

life but that other people have it worse

turns rightfully be done to rectify this

Injustice and what structures are

keeping it in place by contrast a

patriotic approach to these facts it

gets people yeah it's it's not about

rectifying Injustice it's about having a

government for the people in the first

place which we don't

it's not actually in the interest of the

American people

to oppress the people of the world and

that's what Trump actually proved I

think that the best we can do is protect

what we have never try to get more never

question the nature of the system as it

exists today

dude this is why people call you

anti-American

it's not because you're critiquing the

system it's because

you are saying something that is just

unjustifiable no we shouldn't be

grateful for what we have we should

demand more

you will never under understand the

American psych if you approach things

this way

for example I I'm not saying

we shouldn't have Universal Health Care

because of this saying how you're

wording it is communicating something

very specific a you can word it like

this

we are entitled to healthcare sorry I I

know we have things already but we

should have health care because let's

just have more stuff let's just have

more free stuff

now contrast that to saying something

like this this is our country where

hard-working Americans

all of us pay our taxes our government

should at least do things for us

since we do so much for it already so

one of them talks about one of them is a

Justice claim like

we deserve it because we earned it right

the other one is saying we we just

demand for more another world is

possible more and more more no no one

will no one buys into that dude

it's like it's the same policy but just

wording it differently communicates

something so different

and it's the same policy it's just the

how you word it can communicate all the

difference right

hey and never hope to achieve Justice

especially for those not complaining

about the fact that you're not in touch

with American sensibilities these

so-called anti-capitalists are the first

to defend the corporate censorship of

dissidents because corporations are in

the private sector exactly thank you so

much you know what the problem is is

that this person is trying to critique

Americans sensibilities

which which is which is just yes you are

an anti-American you're critiquing

people's sensibilities because you can't

make sense of them

because they're not compatible with your

europeanized liberal education well then

go to fuck in Europe then

you need to understand how Americans

think if you're going to try and relate

to Americans you're not in touch with

the people you're not in touch with the

working class

Americans are not against free health

care they're not against

Americans aren't against socialism you

just have to word it in the right way

when you say let's take back our

resources

let's have the people own it we the

people they're on board with it but when

you say some shit like

you know um

um I think we should set up a special

Bureau that will have marginalized

people be able to own the means of

production

um and we can basically rectify the

injustices and have you go through

courseworks and you can really radically

confront your own prejudices

um I think we should basically have the

government own everything so okay let me

tell you something let's talk about

nationalizing

America's natural let's talk about

nationalizing the oil right

basic socialist policy it's what Chavez

did that's like a very simple

socialistic policy right nationalizing

the oil

even nationalizing the steel industry

right when you tell Americans hey let's

have the government own everything

they're going to be like what fuck no

right

but then when you say let's take it back

or when you say

you know

let's have it be owned by We the People

it's good right it's about how you word

it

that's what makes the difference if the

policy doesn't actually matter how you

word it matters

part of the Patriotic Community it's

because you're basically when you say

let's have the government own it you're

aligning yourself with the bourgeoisie

and the prevailing institutions when you

say let's take it back you're basically

saying

it's already yours

so take it like you are already the

workers who produce all the wealth in

this country so take it for example

that resonates with them better because

they're workers they work every day they

want you to speak to

what they're already doing not some

potential thing that doesn't exist right

Infinity After You're Gonna Want to pay

for someone's health care who are lazy

uh yeah but again that's when you're

trying to say some shit like you know

I want a Anonymous government that

doesn't necessarily serve the interests

of we the people but serves an

abstraction of the people of course then

all sorts of Bad actors and lazy people

and people gaming the system and the

welfare queens that Reagan talked about

of course those fears will open up

because you're basically

alienating people from the organ by

which

the economy will be owned

foreign

of the day the existence of black

billionaires still relies on the

exploitation of black people and is

still supported by the systemic

discrimination of black people but drown

all that in a little American Pride and

it goes down a lot smoother to recap

patriotism replaces solidarity among

people

like if Trump said let's nationalize the

oil industry and Healthcare no one would

be against it I promise

people who suffer under the same

structures of Injustice Trump

for them Trump represents

a proximity to the to power right it's

no longer this alienation that you have

within an anonymous bureaucratic

institution it's president Trump who we

already know and trust and of course

he's going to look out for our interests

it's not some Anonymous bureaucracy

yes in this case international racial

capitalism and replaces it with

solidarity between those who do the

oppressing and those who are oppressed

let me seriously ask what is the point

of patriotism why choose to believe

you're better or even meaningfully

different from some

uh-huh

on the other side of the world

let me seriously ask what is the point

of patriotism why choose to believe

you're better or even meaningfully

different from someone on the other side

of the world

I have never seen

such an out of touch frankly

brainless thing that is no one is like

pointing it out

what is like the point of Patriots as a

man like what makes you even think

you're different from any what an

arrogant thing to say you don't think

you're different

from

someone living in fucking turkey or

something you don't think you're

different than someone living in India

you are dude and if you go to India

thinking that there's no differences

you're just gonna fucking be seen as a

chauvinist

you're going to be seen as someone

disrespectful

of course you're different from other of

course people are fucking different

you're bitching that oh Americans aren't

buying into my socialism but you're

gonna fucking try and claim that people

are not meaningfully different yeah

people are people share all of the same

Collective historical experiences people

share the same culture people share the

same language people share the same

Customs people share the same way of

life people share

the same uh you know family

family morals people share the same

religion

there's yeah what why would you be

patriotic everyone's the same

what are like a this is you know what's

funny is that

he makes a video saying why is American

patriotism so weird but like this is

such a fundamentally American thing to

say it's it's all the bad things about

America you want me to critique America

it's this American hubris oh Everyone

likes hamburgers so everyone's the

fucking same no they're not dude there

are fundamental differences between

people

maybe those differences

can be bridged or sublated in a thousand

years that's going to come from a deep

seated dialogue

not nothing is actually more uniquely

American than the idea that no one is

different from exactly that's what I

mean

what what a stupid thing to say I mean

what is the point of patriotism

when you ask a question like that you're

just proving you shouldn't be teaching

anyone anything because you're not

educated enough it's such an IM it's an

it's a question that betrays such a deep

level of immaturity

asking why are people patriotic betray

such a deep deep level of just

immaturity I'm sorry like you don't

understand enough about what it means to

be an adult human being

if you're asking that question

you're pretty much like a child being

like

ah

what's the point of bedtime what is the

point of eating broccoli what is the

it's like you're like a child you're

like you don't

what's the point of like a committed

relationship why don't we just like have

fucking open relationships dude you are

just a child you don't there is a reason

dude it's just if you don't understand

it you're saying you're an immature

you're not enough of an adult to

understand this implicit reality of yes

there is a specifically American

specific National reality that cannot be

extrapolated to be

Universal for the whole fucking world

okay I do this is such like a bafflingly

stupid

why be page what why be patriotic

what makes you think you're different

from anyone meaningfully different from

anyone

oh my God the naivety dude if imagine

this dude

imagine this dude

walks into the fucking Soviet imagine

he's talking to Stalin he's like Yo

style it why

why even be patriotic what's what

meaningful differences exist between

people

yes

he wants to subordinate the American

people to his own ends rather than

serving the American people in their

will yeah exactly I mean this is such a

bafflingly stupid thing to say

this is the definition of what they

called in the Soviet Union Bourgeois

cosmopolitanism it's like a Marie

Antoinette out of touch like um I don't

even care

who cares

dude you don't care

because you're not part of the working

class

you're not actually reproducing

materially the reality of what holds and

glues

this country you take for granted is a

part of you're just on YouTube so you

don't get it I mean I'm on YouTube too

but I humble myself right you don't

you're just this arrogant guy on YouTube

who's like

um when I'm like typing on YouTube and

there's a guy in Uruguay it's like who

cares uh well you'll see the difference

when it comes to the deep-rooted way of

life that defines the differences

between Americans and people in Uruguay

there's deep-seated differences based in

different ways of life

for example different Collective

historical experiences and those are

meaningful they do matter actually

your material concerns are the same you

have bills you want to take care of your

family you want the freedom to pursue

your own happiness there is far more in

common between you than the differences

created by a borderline dispute but

those all are those are just

that's just a void of content like what

does that actually look like because

okay we all want to pursue happiness

yeah but the differences come from

when our when what we consider happiness

is different right that's what you're

not understanding you're like these are

just a bunch of vague generalities that

don't have any specific determinate form

oh well we all want the same thing we

all want peace and liberty and the

pursuit of happiness okay what does that

look like

okay well when you start dealing with

what that actually looks like you deal

with why people are different why even

call it cigarette

like thank you so much we all exist

under American unipolar order so when

you think about you're just the same as

me smiley face uh it's actually what

he's saying here though it's like

actually what he's saying decided

hundreds of years ago in random Wars and

brutal bloody conquests the world is not

going to be made better as long as the

oppressed fight one another for the

crumbs dropped from the table of the

oppressors okay but

acknowledging National differences and

being patriotic for your country doesn't

mean that the oppressed have to fight

amongst themselves

it just means we have to fight for our

own country's second thought it means

when the working class of France Rises

up

to overthrow the French bourgeoisie

yeah it's not going to be Americans

meddling in their business we're going

to do the same for our own country

they're going to do it in their country

and we're going to do it as Patriots

doesn't mean we're going to fight each

other it just means we're going to

recognize that our our human reality is

National informed

you know I I just look at the fact that

this person

represents the type of people taking

over the Communist Party USA so just

completely bereft

of basic Marxist leninist communist

wisdom

such a level of infantilism and

immaturity

and that's the future of the party right

now on I mean our people are Takia right

but

this is what's legitimate justice so for

example red Libs on Twitter are like

Haas is such an idiot he doesn't know

anything about Marxism I watch second

thought second thought is so much

smarter

and he knows so much more about Theory

than Haas

what an unjust World dude literally what

an objectively like unfair reality we

live in like this guy's considered

smarter and more

um Adept and wiser than me

and he's saying such stupid shit like

who cares

who cares

who cares

dude who cares

whatever okay yeah you're wearing your

like hijab or whatever like yeah all

these like Japanese people on the train

whatever

look at all these women with hijabs

whatever dude this guy is a hat okay I

get it whatever dude we're all on

YouTube so let's just all like

that's just like all identify as like

communist and like

that's just like um forget about all our

differences and just like

be the same

we're all part of the YouTube online

community

whatever dude who cares

and we supposed to fucking take this

seriously

like I'm a ridiculous unserious person

guys you know the difference is I'm a

ridiculous unserious person because I

make a mockery of the medium that I use

I mock the medium I use by oftentimes

being silly I'm just a silly guy

sometimes intentionally in order to

deliberately mock the medium I'm using

so that we never take ourselves too

seriously but this person who takes

himself incredibly seriously and looks

at the camera with a straight face with

this incredible level of seriousness and

professionalism

is taken seriously

after saying such bafflingly stupid shit

people take him seriously

after basically forwarding a position of

yes what the Soviets called

cosmopolitanism

and I I would implore anyone to explain

to me the difference between

cosmopolitanism and what this I mean how

is this different from what the Soviets

referred to as cosmopolitanism no

hazardous internationalism well no

because it's Soviet it's Marxist

leninist Orthodoxy

that you know

nationalism sorry internationalism

is impossible without being a real

Patriot I mean I can I can I can also

quote uh dimitrov

right

uh for example

okay like for example dimitrov

the spirit of internationalism

but anyone who thinks that this permits

him to sneer at all the national

Sentiments of the broad masses of

working people is far from being a

genuine Bolshevik

proletarian internationalism must

acclimize itself in each country in

order to strike deep roots in its native

land National forms of proletarian class

struggle and of the lay movement in

individual countries are in no

contradiction to proletarian

internationalism so if you want to ask

the question of what's the difference

between internationalism and

cosmopolitanism it's this proletarian

internationalism is National inform okay

whereas cosmopolitanism posits some kind

of nationless

global Cosmopolitan Community devoid of

any determinate form whatsoever which

the Soviets rightfully understood was

just an extension of American

imperialism disguising itself as a

common Global community of people

artists intellectuals and today

YouTubers and people on the internet and

influencers all part of this community

This Global Community this International

Community which coincidentally

is completely based materially and

financially in the Anglo-Saxon

capitalist institutions but that's just

you know as as uh vosh or Dylan Burns or

destiny would say I mean who cares that

it's specifically American it's the

principle that counts right

American I mean yeah yeah yeah we know

that international human rights is like

all your euroid American shit

British Americans I mean who cares

though it's the principle of human

rights China

I am not taking America's side I'm

neutral I'm a citizen of the world but

China's violating human rights right now

no I'm not a shill of American

imperialism I'm above both America and

China is that really a convincing do you

does anyone buy that right

and this is one of the great debates of

American politics what is the soul of

America generally a patriot might answer

with something like Freedom opportunity

or Justice and if that's you those are

good things to defend and give value to

I'm right there but when they're saying

that they're in they're referring to the

implicitly specifically National form

that gives this context

you know right now I'm just critiquing

second thought from the perspective of

Orthodox Marxism latinism which I go

beyond at least in the western context

because I'm also influenced by Dugan and

stuff

because in Western marginal dominantism

the nation is just a form right

whereas I think with Dugan

there's a acknowledgment of a dialectic

of form and content where even the

material content

Bears the marking of the form and that's

what Dugan will refer to as the logos

specifically you know civilizational

logos which although Dugan couches it in

metaphysical terminology I think can be

translated to a genuinely materialist

Insight right as long as we have a

dialectical form and content

you know a lot of marxists implicitly

have this

you know kind of spinosis to materialism

which posits all material content to be

undielectically just one flat plane of

matter

and then form is just this kind of

giving form to the one you know

Universal content of matter whereas I

think the true Spirit of material is

dialectics

is that even matter

is embedded in a dialectic

an internal dialectic such that

even Nations and States even have a

material reality they're not just form

it's part of the content too

but

I mean this is really already in there

and maoism

it's implicitly there and uh Soviet

Marxism leninism but it's never there in

Western Marxism leninism

in the Soviet context they kind of

articulated this implicitly and then

explicitly in the form of like these

esoteric KGB

mystical societies and Sufi societies

and whatever

and then in China they just had the

science of Mao Zedong thought

but in America

yeah it's just the Orthodox you know the

dead letter of the theory

which I which is what I'm defending

right now I'm not even like going full

power mode

I'm just like playing I'm like I'm

pretty much saying some shit that even

Gus Hall would enthusiastically agree

with I'm like saying some basic shit

like yeah I mean yeah it's like basic

shit William Z Foster Gus Hall basic

Orthodox Western Marxist leninist stuff

100 but there is no reason that you need

to attach those things exclusively to

the US absolutely

no we don't but

in practice we do because this is the

country we live in and it's not our

business

to attach it to other countries because

we have no political I mean dude

dude

what right do we have to intervene in

another country

that's violating the self-determination

of Nations right

it is

absolutely defend Freedom absolutely

defend Justice absolutely defend

opportunity but we should deny the

specific National form it takes in our

own fucking country in the country we

live in and are actually a part of

sounds really fucking stupid dude why

connect those things to this vague idea

you'll have to defend too because both

historically and presently while

American political discourse likes to

promote these ideas of freedom and

Justice American political action and

the structures of American politics and

the American economy actively work

against these things

I'm

yeah but how do you make it how do you

communicate meaningfully to people not

that that's the case because everyone

already knows that second thought you

take a survey of Americans and ask them

if our government is a government of

justice and freedom they're gonna say

fuck no it's not right is our economy

rigged yeah it is everyone already

agrees with that how can you

meaningfully communicate to people

though that you represent a form of

political leadership

not only cognizant of that fact but also

even

having a response to that fact you do it

by saying that

we are the we as Stalin said are better

suited to carrying forward the banner of

America the banner of America's ideals

this is literally what Stalin said in

his last speech by the way

we are better suited to carry the banner

of these nationally specific ideals

then the ruling classes

you don't say oh there's nothing

specifically American about these things

because our government our American

government is corrupt well then what

about the American people

should they stop being American people

and so they start being uh

Australian people

or they shouldn't be any Nation at all

just the working class does the working

class have form no it's just the workers

because what is a working-class country

look like it looks like if if

um Hakeem was president and Luna oi was

the vice president and and everyone

um

every okay what language do we speak and

we all speak working class and ease work

what's working class and these sound

like it's it sounds like

what is that it doesn't sound like a

language

what is a working class culture

this is like parole it's called shit you

know like the soft Lenin denounced

as like retarded or whatever

you know like well okay okay you're not

okay fling overboard the national

specificity that gives context the

proletarian class struggled and just

replace make content and form the same

what is a what is a working what is a

proletarian country what is the

proletarian language first of all

I know that's the first thing I want to

ask this guy okay okay let's let's throw

away patriotism what language should we

speak when we communicate with each

other JT

why should it be English

what should we speak let's invent around

a working class one

stupid man it's fucking stupid this is

Trotsky is leftcom anarchoid nonsense

completely opposed to these actual

content of marxist leninist's historical

experience I'm not going to rehash all

of American History to make this point

suffice it to say that slavery Manifest

Destiny meaning the still ongoing

genocide of Native Americans and the

various Imperial Wars the US has led are

all cases where the nation's first goal

and economic motivation was suppressing

the freedom of people categorized as

others and

what a brilliant Marxist analysis

therefore outside the mythologized

community defending something like

Freedom Within

what a brilliant uh

Brilliance historical yeah when we

invaded Iraq we were the propaganda was

that yeah this is the other and we have

to go attack the other it wasn't oh we

have to liberate the Iraqis from tyranny

and and make them eat hamburgers like us

because they're the same as us we're a

universal human rights no there was no

rhetoric of universal human rights JT

you're so right dude

contact of American patriotism has

rarely ever meant actually defending

freedom and it's almost always meant

taking it away from those who are in the

way of a great right like you know

yeah dude you're right dude like like

fucking uh

1776 wasn't defending Freedom Gerald

horn already said that you know the

Civil War Of Course Lincoln was just a

racist

what else

um

fucking the the labor struggles when

they would wave American flags

now

what about uh you know like the Civil

Rights thing no

no

and there's never been freedom and it's

there's never been an American anything

computer project of wealth accumulation

and I can already hear a commenter

saying something like if the US can be

blamed for say Jim Crow then it should

also be raised for the Civil Rights

Movement but I'd argue you'd have a

really difficult time defining something

as America and showing it was on the

right side of the Civil Rights Movement

why don't we just ask what MLK said

himself

yeah oh give me something to Define as

America and say it was on the right side

I don't know what about the American

people

what about the Civil Rights Movement was

that not American according to you thank

you Harold I was banned from the Discord

here's my Penance thank you Harold

listen thank you so much for the 50.

dude what are you saying are you saying

the Civil Rights Movement wasn't

American so what was it then

what was it

what was it dude

was it Martian

was it Taiwanese

so civil rights movement's not American

what is it Papua New Guinea then

what is it then if it's not American

what do you think it is

so much DTA obviously not now but when

you have the time later or another steam

you should rank all U.S presidents since

Washington would be interesting

I might

for example if America to you means the

community of people living in this

country the majority opinion of the US

was decidedly against the Civil Rights

Movement with the Press calling its

leaders like MLK and Malcolm X

Un-American if

yes

but the last thing Legacy means nothing

because there's a reason why MLK is even

used as a talking point and he's so

revered in the first place is because

eventually

people did come to appreciate

his contribution right and that's not

meaningless people say oh it's

hypocritical it's not no it's not like

you know most Americans today appreciate

the fact

that

you can you know yeah everyone can be

treated on the Merit of their character

formally that it's an ideal that we say

yeah if you're black you know you

shouldn't be

derided and abused just because you're

race you know

I mean most people appreciate that you

know

um so that means nothing to you

but again regardless of where the

majority stood at the time

by the way I'm not sure that's very

clear

actually

um you can only judge something based on

its Legacy not necessarily at the time

all movements at the time are going to

be led by a minority

but um yeah the Press doesn't represent

the masses either dude

but I mean what I'm trying to say here

is that uh

why don't you consult what MLK himself

said

because they consider themselves

inheritors of the American Legacy in the

American national tradition

was MLK too stupid he wasn't white

enough to understand that I guess

according to you

maybe if he was white he would be uh

more enlightened yeah I'm gonna play the

race card why not everyone's doing it

no I mean all seriousness it's like

what are you saying dude MLK himself

thank you so much PJ I appreciate the

work you did on the last two streams I

missed brother right on the mark as

usual

thanks so much PJ I appreciate you

America means the government of this

country then it too was decidedly

against the Civil Rights Movement

sending police to crush the protests if

America means the country's founding

documents civil rights for black people

is clearly not what America is all about

when it comes

are you sure because it literally says

that all men are created equal

and yes black people were considered men

even by the racist founding fathers

so I'm pretty sure it was fulfilling the

spirit of uh dude you you may you may

say

that civil rights

was not a continuation of the spirit of

the Constitution and America's founding

documents

I just want you to be aware that the

leaders of the Civil Rights Movement do

not agree with you

Martin Luther King does not agree with

you

he did he was very clear that he viewed

the Civil Rights Movement as something

deeply American

and representing the American national

spirit

that is how they identified it they're

saying oh well how they identified it

doesn't matter so what Criterion is

superior to what they themselves

consciously

it's not just that they identify this

way it's like this was the ideology of

the Civil Rights Movement

it's an indispensable part of what

motivated people

to have a civil rights movement I mean

MLK was not I'm more sympathetic to

Black separatism sometimes right but he

wasn't a black separatist

so the whole thrust of the Civil Rights

Movement

was yeah there's one unified American

country this is the spirit of the

founding fathers in 1776

black people are equal

and deserve civil rights

if you didn't have the element of

American patriotism there would be no

Civil Rights Movement

period

now if you want to say I'm against MLK

in the Civil Rights Movement sure you

can you can make that argument

just don't mention MLK in the Civil

Rights Movement

comes to Justice freedom and opportunity

these things were not g for millions of

people by being patriotic but by working

outside of and rejecting what was

considered American at their time

yeah but they were only doing that

because it's what they believed was

truly American

just because certain people considered

it Un-American doesn't mean it's not

what they believed to be American right

they morally believed this was

in line with the American Spirit

what you're saying is such a bafflingly

stupid

um an ignorant thing to say

if you understand why flying the

Confederate flag sends a specific

message regardless of the values people

who fly at say it represents consider

how the same things might apply to the

American flag

no I'm not gonna fucking consider that

because if you fly an American flag in

America

I'm sorry if that offends you

fuck off and go live in Canada if you

fly an American flag in Iraq I get it

it's fucked up I get it it means

something different but this is our

country it's the flag of our country no

it's not the same as the fucking

Confederate flag because the Confederate

flag was the flag of slavery whereas the

American flag was the flag of the people

who liberated the slaves

there's a big difference right

just because there are crimes that

occurred under the American flag doesn't

mean that's what that Flag represents or

is for

conversely the Confederate States of

America

existed solely to defend the institution

of slavery so yes it's not just that

slavery occurred under the Confederate

flag the Confederate flag is literally

the flag of slavery there's a big

difference between the two

retroactively historical movements like

the Civil Rights Movement have been

folded into the America that one should

be patriotic for but that doesn't mean

that freedom isn't still being

suppressed in the name of patriotism

when movements for self-determination

like BLM and the decolonization movement

make waves for example

okay BLM

was yes a color Revolution funded by

George Soros at least as of post 2016.

there's a money Trail I can we can prove

it second thought

if you want to call me out and I will be

happy to prove it

decolonization isn't Making Waves

whatsoever if you're talking about the

ndn collective which is literally

working with radio free Asia and the

um National Endowment for democracy by

advocating for the decolonization of

Tibet

and xinjiang

and Russia's Siberian tribes minorities

um what what decolonization movement is

Making Waves except outside of the

institutions of imperialism yeah among

the state department and the university

institutions I'm sure the idea is

becoming popular

where among the actual America so second

thought you previously elevated a

special significance to the need for

the majority to be taken into account

when you evaluate Tendencies within a

country you just said that the

decolonization movement is Making Waves

Making Waves where on Twitter

you mean on the internet right I hope

you're you're cognizant of the fact

that

you're talking about the internet and

that there's a difference between what's

going on on Twitter and real life right

or do you not realize that you probably

don't

because you make all your living on the

internet and you're you're scared to go

against the internet consensus clearly

because you've never taken a position

that could ever get you in any trouble

in any context to any degree whatsoever

I've never seen Twitter go after you for

one thing

it'll never happen the knee drug

reaction against people wanting a more

free Society free for everyone to build

their own lives without the threat and

exercise of State violence against them

is time and time again patriotism BLM

and decolonization proponents are

ruthlessly attacked by an angry mob

mobilized not against their ideas but by

the they hate America slogan repeated

endlessly on conservative media these

these movements are indeed contesting

the hegemonic idea of what America is

right now but they are clearly defending

the values American Patriots claim to

hold freedom justice and opportunity

no they're not

no they're not

D Colin ndn collectives demands

are a scheme to privatize federal land

and black lives matter is a democrat-run

movement

whose activities objectively led to an

increased militarization of the police

so you're wrong on both counts

finally we should talk about how

anti-communism is a core pillar of

American patriotism part of the

reactionary nature of American

patriotism can be explained by the

long-standing myths that surrounded the

relationship of the Americans no it's

not

no it's not

they tried to the Government tried

and the um

the John Birch Society tried to

establish anti-communism as

fundamentally part of uh American

patriotism and colloquially speaking

the the meme has certainly gained

Traction in everyday speech oh you're a

comedy whatever

but in actual historical practice and in

reality some of the most fervent

patriotic figures of American History

were either Communists or socialists

Francis Bellamy to whom the Pledge of

Allegiance can be credited was a

socialist

communists

played a pivotal role in the history of

building what we know of as modern

America

from the labor movement to the Civil

Rights Movement

um

Paul Robeson was a was a communist at

least

spiritually he wasn't I don't know if he

was a member of the party

during World War II the Communists

played a huge part

in the popular front against Hitler and

the Nazis so you're wrong you're just

wrong on all counts the reason why

anti-communism was so astroturfed was

because there was such a close proximity

between American patriotism and

communism

part of the Red Scare was actually well

founded

because there were elements in the U.S

military

and leading voices in American Civil

Society that as a result of the

deepening relationship between the USA

and the USSR during World War II did

become more sympathetic to communist

ideas and that's a real thing

communism is as American as apple pie

and that's exactly why the

anti-communism

of the Cold War had to be so contrived

so forced and so artificially excessive

because of the radical potency and

compatibility that does exist between

American patriotic feeling and communist

sentiment

in public with socialist ideas when

movements for justice are called

anti-American they're usually also

called Marxist or communist pejoratively

and when movements like the Civil Rights

Movement are repackaged into the

American patriotic Canon their

radicality and the Socialist politics of

their leaders like MLK are either

outright erased or hotly contested with

some even going so far as to say that

MLK was alive today he'd be a

Conservative Republican I think he would

actually yeah I'm not gonna lie

I think he would

yeah if MLK was alive today

he would probably be called a

conservative or a republican

unironically let's inform this idea one

that America is he'd probably be like

more like Cornell West at least right he

wouldn't be some fucking like

yay big Pharma I promise you wouldn't

capitalist meaning that it is in the

nature of the United States to be a

capitalist Nation rather than the more

realistic idea that economic systems

come and go and just because the US has

a capitalist economy right now doesn't

mean it will forever and two that

capitalism is the only thing that works

and socialism always fails the

yeah but when you associate socialism

with increasing the government size

yeah people are going to associate that

with failure because it is failure

because people in every because we go

into the DMV that's the failure of

government right there second claim is

clearly a myth because this isn't what I

would call working and historically

American foreign policy has been intent

on crushing socialism rather than

letting it bail on its own like the

procapolis claim it will

in this how about when you socialism is

just

according to the American View

what they when you say socialism they

think

bureaucracy institutional rule

laziness oh it's all justified by the

way right

because you socialists have blackened

the name of socialism

with social democracy because of your

Social Democrats AOC and people don't

want that but if you if socialism is

like

let's have a national rail system

and nationalize oil and steel industry

and Revitalize the economy and give high

paying jobs bring them back

more opportunity more wealth

common good

you know what I mean uh Building

Together

for a brighter future

I think people would get on board with

it country anti-communism has been

something we've nurtured for a long time

with things like the Immigration Act of

1903 and 1918 which enabled the

government to deport foreign

I actually

I actually maybe you can reach out thank

you so much the infrared broke into the

national conversation it would become

wildly popular among a lot of Patriots

if you don't give up this will happen I

appreciate that PJ thank you so much man

appreciate the five

but yeah I mean what this guy doesn't

understand

is that dude

all of these anti-communists you're

talking about

dude I actually

they're my viewer they used to be

those are the people my viewers used to

be

I can actually talk to those people

you can't

despite the fact that you get more views

than me all these people are just people

who already agree with you

I'm the one who can actually talk to

these anti-communists you're referring

to

and you keep saying the same thing over

you're never going to reach common

ground with them I promise because

you're not understanding you're making a

strong man of where they're coming from

you're not understanding why they

associate socialism with all these

things you're not respecting the reason

you're saying it's groundless and it's

illegitimate sorry dude it's not the

case

Communists and labor organizers the

success of red scares during the 20th

century and obviously the Cold War the

notion that anti-communism is patriotic

is a really well established one the

result is that when combined with

capitalist realism this idea of a

resolutely anti-communist ontologically

capitalist America makes it seem like

there is no alternative and anyone

proposing anything that would clearly

improve your life dude I'm actually an

intellectual stop using these words you

just look some pretentious in no context

thank you so much Harold if MLK was on

Twitter today leftists would be calling

him a fascist and advocating for his

censorship unironically think that thank

you so much Harold listen dude

dude I'm trying to JT you need to

understand something

it's not as deep you don't need to sound

like a pretentious pseudo-intellectual

saying oh the capitalist realism that

America is it's not that deep dude

there's you don't need to use these

buzzwords to understand why ordinary

Americans want to be able to open

businesses and not have the government

breeding down their fucking necks

that's not capitalist realism dude

that's a distrust

of the government

you're not respecting Americans distrust

the government

period

dude you think the Americans love the

government they don't we all hate the

government the government taxes us and

gives us speeding tickets for no fucking

reason dude we don't like that shit

it's not you don't have to ontologically

capitalist realism

you can't even relate to normal American

sentiments why the fuck are you gonna

just compete bitching that Americans are

too reactionary for your enlightened

ideology when you can't even level with

them and understand where they're coming

from

it's not that

to some uniquely capitalist system

they're just against your proposed

Alternatives and I agree with them

your proposed Alternatives is just

hitlerism you're basically saying

you know let's just make the government

bigger

and institutionalize more of our society

according to the contrived whims

of the coastal Elites I'm against that

too you call me an anti-communist if you

want I'm also against that

yeah let's smash the bureaucracy no more

red tape

government is the problem

government doesn't fucking work it's

stupid it doesn't work well we need

either we need something new

we need to cultivate the talents and

abilities of people

we need a simpler government of the

working people AKA a proletarian

dictatorship that does work

period

not the current overloaded bureaucracy

we have now

it's literally that fucking Simple Man

they're doing so by challenging a

capitalist Norm might be ruining the

only thing that we know were like like

no

that's not an ontological commitment

capitalist realism

it's more like when people think of

capitalism they're thinking like oh this

is what this is the one thing I'm

allowed to do without the government

reading down my fucking neck

capitalism is all the ways I can make

money

socialism is all the ways I'm either in

debt or my money's being taxed

that's what people think of in their

fucking head when they're doing

capitalism they're doing things

they're breathing they're working

when they're doing socialism they're

paying their taxes to the fucking

government

so both you and prageru are working hand

in hand to reinforce these negative

associations people intuitively have

with the word socialism because both you

and Prager you

are justifying those associations and

reinforcing them

and like giving them more content and

context

works even if it clearly hasn't been

working for a long time now patriotism

like capitalist realism really limits

our imagination

shut up

I wish I was on Rumble dude

[Laughter]

I want to imagine

dude go to Disney World then just go to

fucking Disney World

imagine

you're stopping by you're stopping your

ability to imagine

it's like you talk to a working class

person it's more like yo this is

let's get it done let's get it done

right let's get it done and this guy's

like

imagine

dude you sound like a boutique Marie

Antoinette

latte liberal sitting in some Parisian

Cafe

I merely want to imagine is this a

working class sentiment is this a

working class State of Mind Is This A

working class mentality is that how

workers does that relate to Working

Class People

if you want to imagine shit shut the

fuck up sit on your couch in silence and

actually do the work of imagining it and

then give us your results don't sit here

and tell us you want to imagine things

go fucking do the work and then give us

your results so that we take time out of

our precious day to listen to what you

have to say no one is interested in you

complaining about wanting to imagine

other things

give us something tangible the working

class speaks the language of tangibility

not potentiality the working class

doesn't care about potentiality they

care about tangibility

when people come up with good ideas

about how to change things for the

better if we keep calling them

Un-American and shooting them down right

away this country won't get any better

for the vast majority of the people

living both inside and outside its

borders and just to be clear before the

video ends this whole video isn't me

coming after you for being American if

you are there's obviously nothing wrong

with just being from here you're

American too dude

all I'm saying is that it doesn't make a

huge amount of sense to be proud of this

vague mythology that is the best a mixed

bag and

vague mythology

dude I I'm okay

dude you don't think communist history

is a vague mythology that's at best that

makes the bad you can look at anything

like that you could say that about any

revolution in history it's a vague

mythology well but that doesn't mean

it's wrong it doesn't mean it's somehow

not real

or meaningful

right I mean the uh you think do you

guys think the October Revolution

was this like

dramatized like thing where everything

went perfectly dude in the October

Revolution people stormed the winter

Pals and got fucking drunk they raided

The Wine Cellar they just drank all the

wine and got drunk it was a mess it was

a mess

but yes afterwards it became

mythologized and then when they filmed

eisenstein or whatever they filmed the

reenactment they would smash the wine

bottles on the ground

in the reenactment to make it more

ideologically correct

that's a mythology

that doesn't mean they're lying that

doesn't mean it's wrong doesn't mean it

it's meaningless they're trying to

epitomize the common ideals and common

Consciousness that the revolution

represents in the eyes of the majority

of the working people that doesn't mean

it's a fiction and it's wrong and it's

immaterial it's actually more material

than a bland realism

which cannot take into account the

dialectical

um evacuations vacillations

permeating

the realm of materiality material world

is ambiguous it is inherently vague

it's Quantum logic right it's

potentialities it's waves and

vacillations it's not some clear-cut

strict gray realism

nothing meaningful about anything could

be understood if that's how you

interpret

oh the actual yeah there are a lot of

ideologically inconvenient details

of every political event in history

that doesn't mean the way

that those are given remembrance are

fictional mythologies that have no

meaning

insisting that everyone here be proud of

it only makes it harder for us to change

the parts we all agree are bad

constantly thinking in terms of Nations

States like this is really blinding us

to the fact that we have a lot more to

gain by building solidarity everywhere

all over the world not just Within

one Global community

in our own arbitrary borders let's let

go of patriotism in favor of genuine

solidarity

I mentioned at the beginning of this

video

let's let go of patriotism in favor of

genuine solidarity thank you so much

nowhere the second thought person wants

to be British living in London so bad

no even the British aren't this stupid

you you go to your average British guy

and he's like oh I want mate yeah I'm a

Brit yeah I'm a British working class

they're like they're very nationally

rooted sentimentally

you know

let's all he said let's cast aside

patriotism in favor of solidarity

if only if only

um

there were no objectively existing

National realities

if only the actual reality of the world

was the same as YouTube where everyone

is just a username on the internet

and not rooted in different

fundamentally different communities of

shared historical experience and shared

meaning

and shared in different ways of life

those don't exist materially so as long

as we eliminate the Prejudice in our

head we can guys we can actually become

dude

oh my God Max Sterner was right if we

just like eliminate The Spook of

patriotism in our head

all of our national specificities that

objectively exist will just stop

existing

dude

have you ever dude Stalin wait I'm gonna

be Stalin right now hi guys I'm Stalin

I'm about to write nationalism sorry I'm

about to write Marxism in the National

question I am JV Stalin

I'm about to write Marxism in the

National question who is this young guy

with a purple background what is he

saying very borders let's let go of

patriotism in favor of genuine

solidarity

huh

I see

here I was thinking there was a national

question but

I'm

take this piece of paper and crumple it

up throw it in the garbage

I'm not writing this anymore guys I

realize I can just dispense with all

national differences and National

realities

I didn't realize that all we had to do

was get rid of patriotism in favor of

solidarity

oh okay I'm gonna write a new book

solidarity let's all

can't we all just get along

and and the book

this is what the Marxist Canon calls

phase mongering phrase mongering

solidarity it's a phrase what does that

actually mean what's the mean potatoes

nothing it's just a phrase there's

there's yeah likes on Twitter let's all

agree to ratio has on Twitter solidarity

foreign

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