Why Human Rights Serve US Imperialism [Debate]

uh

fucking wow

youtube has that new fucking policy

that they just

that they just decided to implement

tonight i guess yeah i didn't know i

thought they usually just blocked the

stream afterwards which i wasn't worried

about because i'd be like you know i'll

just fucking get the debate and cut it

out

but whatever um i do have an excuse for

being late today guys and that excuse

that i i went to go pick up

i want to know what you guys think

about this actually

uh how hard are these to set up

there you go i got the camera

and i got a new mic

so what do you guys think should i uh

should i try to set this up right now

what do you think how hard is it

i went and picked up uh my camera

so yeah that's why i'm late today

because you know i got it at my parents

house

i got it taken there because um

here's

sauce

i i don't know how to set these up

did i set it up right now

uh

all right so we got this

camera look at it hey it's a little

camera

okay

got that right there

and then what is this

this looks like

what is this

what is this

oh is this a little mic what is what is

this shit i don't know if this is

oh god i'm being overflown with fucking

shit

all right so this is a usb apparently

the usb

and then so this shouldn't actually be

that hard right

i might need a usb extender

uh what is this this is a mount

the mount

this is a charger i think

okay

do i have an extender

the extenders

this is my rechargeable battery

all right so how how would i do this so

basically

i gotta untangle this yeah i need to go

to best buy and get in a usb extender

though definitely

this will not

yeah that's not gonna work

okay so i plugged this in

i just want to see what it looks like

you know

uh my hair looks horrible because i did

not shower just giving you a warning

so my hair looks really bad so what do i

plug this in uh

hdmi okay here

right here

multi

uh that's the difference i think this is

multi

all right

let's do it

so we have how by the way how do i turn

this on

open

do i gotta put a battery in here

don't tell me this shit runs on fucking

batteries bruh

don't tell me this runs on fucking

batteries man

oh i think it does

i think it actually does

all right i'll put my battery in

doing that new battery life

by the way guys i think today i'm gonna

briefly uh show acquaint you guys with

some shit that's happened

and then afterwards what we're gonna do

is we're just gonna do a twitter space

right

but

i got this

shit

how in god's name is anybody supposed to

open this fucking shit i don't fucking

know anyone how is anyone supposed to

fucking open this man

i have no fucking idea anyone's supposed

to open this

guess who we started getting back into

contact with is that the poor

guy i think he's uh there's nothing

wrong with it but

he's actually a virgin

with rage

that the bad empanada guy

that guy's so sad man he literally can't

get pussy he went to argentina just to

get pussy he still can't do it

poor guy

poor poor guy but yeah he's been in my

mentions recently

and uh i don't know why i think he's

trying to like look for tips or

something

but you know i obviously don't i

wouldn't wish it on any woman to

take that one for the team

so how do i fucking know which way this

goes

this plus side

how do i know which ways this goes

how the fuck am i supposed to know

you can't you can't you can't tell me

they don't like

like how do i know which way look look

look at this battery see this battery

see his battery and then this camera i

have it open so what do i do which way

let's we just gotta

test it through practice i guess

i'm thinking this way

thinking it's this way okay hope i'm

right i hope i'm right

and then

it's gonna work

uh where's the power on

right here oh it worked

cool

i gotta set the time

okay

man

is daylight savings a thing

okay we got it working

all right so the first step is done

and now is the hard part so this is

actually

fuck i don't have any free usb slots

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

this

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huh

start usb streaming unplug the usb cable

execute usb streaming function

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oh man

how the fuck do i do this

okay here

i gotta go into moving mode

bruh what the fuck man why is this shit

so fucking complicated

okay i gotta go into movie mode

where's the fuck is movie mode

where is movie mode someone tell me

where movie mode now or someone's

getting banned

what the fuck is movie mode

where do i go for movie mode where do i

go

where do i go

someone tell me now this is what's this

is the one thing holding up the fucking

stream you guys want the stream to

progress explain movie mode to me

this

nope

oh

on top

there we go

huh

okay now this is movie mode

now i go to menu

thanks chad for nothing

by the way

now we go to usb streaming

nah

i'm gonna i need to get an hdmi one

well but i have to get a free time

i big time big i have to go to best buy

tomorrow and go grab an extender

but let's just see if it works

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i don't want you to see this fucking

side of my life

my kitchen's a fucking mess i don't want

you to see it

we're gonna do this

all right uh let's do it guys

let's do it

okay uh

video capture

hd camera

oh man

this shit looks good

except it's only streaming in um

720 and that's a big problem

it's actually a big

problem so let's

put a menu

okay why is this only in 720p

why is this only in 720p

oh quality image size

what does this mean what is 60p does

anyone know what this means 60p

60p

50m

what does that fucking mean

you know it's 60p

put it on 30p means frame second okay

how do i what is 50m

you know what 50m means

what does 50m mean

all right

that's back

yeah i can't i can't

50 m megapixels

and how do i get out of fucking 720p

does anyone know how to get out of 720p

does anyone fucking know

does a single soul know

it fucking doesn't work

assembling man

it's the zv1

it's the zv1 why the fuck is it 720p

it's supposed to go to 4k

why man

what a piece of shit

no it's 1080 for you okay

i have to google it since chat is

useless

sony z b1 1080p

on today's video how to set up the sony

tv

shut the fuck up you fat fuck on the

scenes we've just a default scene this

is just and select our cameras is

lined with the sony's even more

cinematic

shut the fuck up you fucking asshole

sony zv10 1080p

usb streaming

okay resolution

the format of the streaming data is as

follows

so i it's it's a scam i have to buy a

fucking can't believe this i really

can't believe this i really can't

believe this

i can't believe this shit i'm about to

fucking lose it

so

usb usb streaming

is only 720p

and i paid a thousand dollars for this

fucking whole setup i paid a thousand

dollars

come at my door and fucking be ready

bitch

paid a thousand fucking dollars man

something so stupid for something that's

less than my camera

i gotta fucking go to best buy and buy

some fucking bullshit true band true

comment you fucking pussy you little

bitch i hope you i can't even tell you

on youtube i swear i'm not even kidding

i'm not even kidding true comment i

swear

i swear i swear the worst thing i can

wish on you that i can't

because it's youtube and i'm not allowed

to i

why is this why does it say the stream

will

send one man

okay let me double check that that seems

like fake news it seems like fake news

sony

ziv one usb streaming

webcam video is streaming video to a

whole new level you can now use

something like the sony zv1 via usb to

your computer i'm gonna show you how you

can use the sony zv1 as a webcam

next

my name is vic barry and if you're into

all things video and for some awesomely

and then you've got to select which

camera that you're doing you can

download it directly cam software it's

going to be windows for now stop is for

the pc remote function is set to on then

connect the sony zv1 via usb cable to

your computer now sony say use the

supply cable that came with the case i'm

just going to set up obvious webcam

can use the sony ev1

as a webcam for any software that uses a

webcam you just got to change it in the

settings for the sony zv1 to work as a

webcam you need to be in movie mode kind

of common sense but just in case it's

not movie mode make sure you're in movie

mode sony recommends auto if things are

a bit sluggish and slow and keep in mind

that if you are changing the settings

this can cause this usb problem that i

spoke about so basically the whole

camera can freeze up and crash and just

die no it's not dead but there is a fix

when you install the imaging edge webcam

reset so if you do have any issues with

the sony's

theory

for the high temperature setting just

put change that's relatively everybody

have to consider or any usb capture that

we got you the best zv what about your

sony's ev1 hit the video usb capture

device that asshole piece of shit not

once he talks about the fucking

resolution not once not once does he

talk about 1080p resolution pay a

thousand dollars for a fucking camera

i want 1080p resolution

you fucking piece of shit

and using the sony webcam you'll want to

switch it over to

movie mode so that's the first thing

that will camera is set to record using

the sony

xavcs video codec in hd resolution which

is

1920x1080 pixels and the frame rate is

set to 60 progressive frames per second

as opposed to interlace which the sony's

ev1 does not support

the number 50 indicates the recording

bitrate or how much data the camera will

use to delayed

i highly recommend using the sony zv1 in

hd resolution rather than 4k resolution

for webcam purposes

hd will give you access to more features

like eye autofocus and soft skin effect

which we'll talk about soon

most video conferencing software can

only support 720p or 1080p resolution

anyway so 4k would be overkill

so the last thing tony we're going to

talk about is maybe a little bit about

the actual cabling and connections that

you're using uh in the studio did my

stream reset

did my stream actually fucking reset

because it did on obs

my stream actually did reset on obs

guys this isn't my new camera shut the

fuck up about 1080p this is my old

camera my new camera is right here

studio there when you're recording there

are two main ways to connect your sony

zv1 camera to your computer and use it

as a webcam the first one became

available recently from sony through a

firmware update and that is a direct usb

connection that enables your sony zv1 to

stream its video to your computer and

make itself look like a regular usb

webcam you'll want to download the

latest sony firmware for your camera and

install it to enable this feature be

sure to follow the instructions on the

sony website on how to enable this mode

in the menus the second way of

connecting your sony's ev1 camera is

using an hdmi cable now the type of

cable that you will need is a micro hdmi

to probably a standard hdmi plug

connector you'll also need an hdmi to

usb capture device that plugs into your

computer now note that some computers

have a built-in hdmi port but that is an

output only port it's for connecting an

hdmi tv or monitor to your computer not

for plugging in a camera into your

computer so you will need to buy one of

these and what this does is it converts

the signal from your camera into a

standard usb webcam device so it looks

like a usb webcam

fuck

fuck

oh

i might okay you know what

i might get this to work

i might get this to work

i might get this to work

no it doesn't work

doesn't work

doesn't work

still looks good though

still looks good

it's not great

so this is an inevitable problem

this is an inevitable problem

but this is what it looks like let's

check it out

what do you guys think looks better this

wow this is really good lighting though

even at 720p actually i don't know it's

kind of shitty

see

you guys think

yo yo it's okay this look pretty good yo

what's good okay shit

okay i'm looking fresh i'm looking good

you know i'm saying shit

okay

damn i wish this thing could

go above and beyond

hey guys i'm a

vlogger we're going today we're going on

fucking

yo okay how do i do this

all right damn

it's an unfortunate

aft

no shot my fucking stream left

is my stream done

all right

so we just did that shit for no reason

um

i am immensely disappointed

that okay i give this camera a 0 out of

10. because i have to go to best buy now

and buy more shit in addition to the

1000 that i already fucking spent i have

to get a long ass cable i already knew i

was gonna have to get an extender but i

didn't think i would have to i thought

it would just work but apparently i have

to buy a ton of shit so i'm going to

best buy tomorrow the geek squad and i'm

telling these motherfuckers i'm saying

you know um listen motherfucker you know

see what you can do to fix this

ameliorate the situation right so that's

that's that's that guys that's that so

i'm sorry guys we spent so much time

trying to get that shit to work

and i thought it would work

yo

holy shit wow tip for my favorite

vlogger stream is fine

thank you so much man

thank you so much boy burn

i'm turning this camera off

and uh yeah we're unplugging it

this is a zero out of ten i rate this a

zero out of ten

um

i'm so immensely disappointed at the

fact

that i purchased the camera

which didn't

come readily equipped with everything i

needed i mean they got me a case

it came with a little

uh maybe it's got goodies in it it's got

goodies in it

maybe this comes with cables and shit

you know

y'all got any ain't got shit

i give that a 0 out of 10 camera i got

to go to best buy and buy more shit

believe it or not on top of what i

fucking spent already so i give that a 0

10. anyway guys

i don't know how long we are even into

the stream right now

um i think just 30 minutes right so

we're gonna write this part of the

stream off

this experimentation

but anyway guys these theme of today's

stream

is basically um

today on twitter there's been a lot of

hilarious delusion about what's been

going on with roe v wade and the

international reactions to it i just

want to kind of show it to you because i

found it so fucking insane

uh beyond comprehension you know insane

and i just

i thought

you guys should uh should see this check

this out

all right

so we're not going to spend a lot of

time on this i just want to give you a

rundown of the day i've had today on

twitter right so and and this is funny

right this is funny stuff

but so this guy um

goof fixed

where the fuck his name is he said some

really stupid shit

i mean like

like incredibly stupid shit right so his

name is goof

hoof exists

and i just want to show you the level of

delusion that we're dealing with when it

comes to like how marxist leninists are

trying to ground

their purported anti-americanism

and i'll show it to you here

right so

all right so first they responded to

chen wei hua

and one of his

one of his uh little

one of chen was you know things where

he's presenting all these european

leaders macron

justin trudeau he's canadian corbin the

cuck

and this guy whatever

all these people are pretty much

condemning the us supreme court decision

and pretty much everyone is right

but then this guy goes i can't be see

the only one to see where this is going

and check out this level of fucking

incredible delusion

what i mean is that if america stays on

this trajectory the rest of the world is

going to start openly condemning it

the whole world will turn its back on

america as it becomes more and more

openly fascist

it may not start with the governments of

these countries but thanks to social

media it will be very easy for civilians

of other countries to see what's going

on

anti-american sentiment will skyrocket

all right in case i have to explain why

this is fucking stupid um no the roe v

wade decision is not going to be a a

source

of

it's almost like the opposite is true

governments around the world for various

different reasons are condemning it iran

and china are condemning it just to get

a one-up over america as they usually do

because of its hypocritical human rights

that they're always thrusting on them

right just like they did with george

floyd and black lives matter and shit

um

then he goes it's not gonna be the

government's it's gonna be thanks to

social media

dude do you think that what you see on

social media reflects the authentic

sentiment of the people or

do you do you like somehow not

understand that social media was

literally designed to further america's

imperial interests i think the biggest

problem here and this is what we're

going to debate

um about

um i think the biggest problem here

stems from this idea

that social media ngos academia and all

these institutions are somehow outside

of america when they're not this that is

the american empire superstructure that

exists in contradiction to our

constitutional you know bourgeois

republican superstructure because our

country wasn't founded as an empire it

wasn't okay so he's talking about like

this globalist global citizen open

source open society of george soros and

he's thinking that represents the world

that doesn't fucking represent the world

that represents the extent of america's

own globalist influence on the world the

difference is that american globalism

oftentimes clashes with american

domestic politics and the domestic

sentiments of the american people

um

case in point ask these people a simple

question

why did roe v wade get overturned

where does that sentiment come from does

that come from the american political

elite no it comes from the grassroots

from the sentiments

of the evangelical american population

and if you don't

if you don't understand that right

that's where that comes from and then

one last thing before we get into this

twitter space it's going to be an

interesting bounty too actually

so

i did actually end up making a tweet

mocking this

said you don't yeah your thanks to

social media anti-american rhetorics in

a skyrocket

and then i'm like you know

did we ever consider that repealing roe

v wade risks another 911 militant

anti-american terror cells are already

forming in the congo that seeks revenge

over this decision

okay and a lot of people do have autism

and there's nothing wrong with that

um

but pat sock moments decided to

screenshot that

and look at this 500 people liked it

and they're basically all like looking

at this like this this is like an

unironic tape like haaz is actually

seriously saying

that there's anti-american terror cells

forming in the congo

like even though like i am there's like

500 layers to this i'm literally mocking

this guy goof axis whatever like i'm

literally mocking him

and then apparently this is an unironic

take from me and look at all these

people congratulating themselves about

how smart they are

the famously pro-abortion nation of

congo

yeah you're a fucking genius dude you're

so smart

and then there's one smart guy who was

like something tells me he's not being

serious

but unfortunately that guy only got 13

likes okay so we're really dealing with

retardation here um why the fuck would

anyone in the fucking congo care about

roe v wade

genuine genius so fucking smart that

dude totally got the point of what i was

saying

um so just look at these fucking tweets

literally unintelligible

what

absolute nonsense

so true king

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so all of these midwit like literal

retards are in the replies

thinking that they are so smart

and they have such an exalted level of

intelligence

because this is clearly an absurd tweet

okay

but i mean like it's meant to be absurd

because it's being it's sarcastic it's

literally mocking this fucking guy

whatever but the because people have

treated me in such a bad faith way

um because i am treated

in such a dishonest bad faith way

people are literally getting away with

the delusion that this is actually on

ironically what i believe

because they have been fed so many lies

about what i've said

because they've been spoon-fed so much

shit that's just out of context and

reflects a kind of niche sense of humor

they actually think haaz is a guy who

exists who actually believes repealing

roe v wade is gonna cause another 9 11.

and they actually wake up every morning

and go to bed every night

thinking this in their head about me i

am not kidding guys it's not a joke

you guys know who i am you guys know

i mean how

coherent my world view is at the very

least how consistent it is you know that

i i i can be serious

i'm not always joking so for you it's

like yeah he's clearly joking but like

you have to understand that 95 percent

of people

who come into contact with me

or see this the cause thing or whatever

whether on reddit or twitter or whatever

they they do it and they like feel so

smart

when they're contradicting something i

said which is like completely sarcastic

and this is actually what they believe

by the way they unironically actually

believe this

so yeah it's it's really sad it's it's

extremely sad

um

you guys know did you guys know

something

you know that for 95 of people no matter

what i say

it comes across to them as

unintelligible thank you super no you're

not smart and bold

uh okay

but

do you guys know that no matter what i

say for 95 percent of people

um because of this crisis of credibility

that they've just they've done the the

paul mason thing where they've like

completely destroyed my credibility

in the eyes of most leftists

that when i speak words

most people literally cognitively

process those words

as completely meaningless and

unintelligible they're like ah you just

said a whole lot of nothing you're

saying nothing everything you're saying

is completely meaningless

now you can copy and paste something

that i say

and have someone like slavoy jijek say

it or you can have someone like you know

some poc feminist

queer gendered um

academic say it

and then they'll clap and think it's so

brilliant and so intelligent if they say

it i literally say the same combination

of words

and people literally cannot process it

or find it intelligible right they can't

they can't um tell the difference

between sarcasm and irony

because they are literally so convinced

that my serious takes are just as

ridiculous as this right

okay but anywho let's get into the

debate bar

so i'm gonna be opening up a twitter

space

and

let me get rid of this

this

i'm going to be opening up a twitter

space and this one's going to have some

stakes to it i'm going to be offering

500

500 incentive

to anybody that can successfully argue

that america is not a woke empire

so this this is what we're gonna do

okay

this is what we're gonna do

we're gonna start a space

what should i call it what i call a

space i think i'm going to call the

space

i think i'm gonna call it

start your space

then i'm going to share it

share with the tweet

breaking

i will offer

a guarantee

500

dollars through paper pal if you can

successfully argue

against

a single

successfully argue

um

against any one of my serious positions

including

including the

view that america is a woke empire

debunk any one of my serious takes i've

ever made

successfully on

guaranteed

easy money for all who claim i'm stupid

right

all right

here we are

so we are we are having a 500 bounty

for anyone who can successfully

win an argument with me about pretty

much anything that's of a serious

position or topic so it can't be like

anything that's meme it can't be a meme

can't be anything unserious it's got to

actually be something that i a serious

position i hold such as the view that

america is a woke empire that

basically

things that when it comes to things like

roe v wade

the state department the cia

all of the actual globalist institutions

that rule america all of the

institutions within america that

represent american imperialism they are

100 percent on board with practically

every aspect of the progressive agenda

and the only reason they are not

implementing that agenda within america

is because of the pushback that they

that they're going to receive from the

actual american population so my thesis

is that

uh roe v wade type of conservatism

that's not coming from imperialism

that's coming from the american people

whether you like it or not and meanwhile

the imperialists are fully on board with

pretty much every facet and every aspect

of the progressive agenda if you come in

and tell hillary clinton hey hillary

clinton you know i want universal health

care and i want this i want that i want

that she's gonna be like i do too but

it's too divisive and there's too much

you know conservatives in this country

who are going to push back on it right

so i want i want someone to come here

and successfully try and push back

and you know basically argue against the

thesis

that america is a woke empire yeah rap

i'm gonna add you as a co-host

just so you can like invite people that

i potentially won't be able to see right

so we have like dumb fucks like goof

exist right and the overall majority of

marxist leninists that are in the united

states

have this kind of view

that iran china russia and pretty much

all the anti-imperialist forces across

the globe

hate america for the same reason that

they do so according to this theory

when palestinians are burning american

flags uh this is because they're upset

that you know america doesn't recognize

72 genders so because america doesn't

recognize 72 genders that's why the

palestinians are burning american flags

they share the exact same reasons

that left us to and what i'm trying to

argue here is that that's not true and

that as a matter of fact the forces of

american imperialism and american

globalism

hate america in the same way that the

so-called american marxist lenders do

they both hate america for the exact

same reasons they hate america

because it's not woke and it's not

progressive enough if the imperialists

the state department and the cia

as well as the rockefellers and all the

institutions they've in the ford

foundation and all these different

american imperialist and globalist

institutions if they had their way and

if they had their say

um they would implement the furthest

extent of the progressive agenda within

america and pretty much give these

leftists everything they want they can't

do that because of the political

obstacle that is posed by uh you know a

huge huge conservative american

population and working class so the

american people are the problem

for the leftist agenda not the actual

imperials the imperialists want a green

new deal the imperialists want the aoc

agenda it doesn't threaten them

whatsoever it doesn't harm them

whatsoever in any capacity warren

buffett wants to pay more taxes the

billionaires are fully behind the tax

the rich kind of scheme um the people

who are against the tax the rich stuff

is actually the smaller petty bourgeois

uh as well as the working classes who

don't want a bigger tax burden right so

the actual ruling class is behind every

single facet of the leftist agenda

within the united states i mean i would

love someone to try and push back

against the broad thesis that i'm i'm

having here you know i know there's some

exceptions but broadly speaking

the leftist position not only represents

the position of the american ruling

class it represents the position of

american imperialism

so when you're saying that you hate

america because of the roe v wade thing

i mean

you are not hating america from an

anti-imperialist perspective you're

hating america from the imperialist

perspective when you're saying america

is not progressive enough

you pretty much have the same position

that obama does right you just kind of

maybe disagree about what can be done

about it but i'd love to ask you that

question what can you do about it what

could you do that obama and hillary

clinton and the rest of the democrats

couldn't do what can you do that they

can't if you were in power like what

would you do would you just kill 50 of

all americans who are not on board with

your extreme agenda how would you deal

with literally 50 of the population that

does not agree with you okay let's add

slum

and i they're here for that 500 so go

ahead slum it's 500

yeah we can hear you

so you get 500

if you could successfully dismantle or

successfully argue against a single one

of my serious takes and in this case the

take that america is a woke empire but

if you don't if you can't argue against

that one you can choose another one any

one of these takes that people use to

demonstrate you know what a dumb guy i

am or how stupid i am like i will give

you 500 if you could just successfully

argue against any of them

so

your first mission is that america is a

woke empire

yeah is that the one you wanna you wanna

try and give a go at

well what were the other ones that you

have

well uh whatever however you

are acquainted with me you probably a

guy who thinks oh haaz is a dumb fuck

he's really stupid yadda yadda so

whatever the things that you know you've

seen from me that are actually my

serious takes it wasn't me just trolling

uh that prove i'm stupid you can just

argue against it and if you're

successful i will give you 500 to paypal

all right well first i don't think

america is a work empire because you

know america practices imperialism

abroad

and

uses their military for

you know

things that aren't woke

and so i think just that is self-evident

which

says it's not a woke empire also roe v

wade i know

uh earlier on you said something about

that and i was

interested on what your take on that was

because wouldn't that

uh show that it's not a woke empire if

these like base like human rights things

can't even be passed in our own right so

two things right so the first thing you

said is that america

uses imperialism for non-woke

ends in 2022

uh what is an example of american

imperialism that is not inherently you

know um given the superfists of cultural

awokeness in 2022 now second of all

you are asking me about wasn't roe v

wade an example of the american empire

not being woke well the problem is that

the judiciary doesn't represent the

american empire the american empire are

the globalist institutions the cia the

state department things that emerged

after world war ii that really did turn

america into a global empire the

judiciary is a relic

from the founding of the country so it's

a vestige of bourgeois republicanism not

empire

okay shorten that up just to be clear

sorry i don't want to interrupt you but

just to shorten that up the cia and the

people that represent american globalism

the state department the overall

majority of these people

including the think tanks they agree

with you about

the supreme court that it's outdated and

you know that they're progressives when

it comes to the question of abortion

so that's what i mean by that

well i think that

that

the judiciary that you said i think you

said it's not representative of the

american people but it is there's so

many people who have been fighting

against these abortions for so long

that's not what i'm sorry so what did

you say i'm sorry i said it it's not a

representative of the american empire it

actually is a representative of

probably half of the american people who

you know are trying to resist

this globalist change that you know the

actual architects of the empire

have in store for america so you know

the judiciary definitely does represent

the american people in some capacity um

but it does not represent the empire

so you're saying that it's the

institutions that just support

uh roe v wade

but

like like on a foreign policy level or

like no i'm saying the institutions

probably are

against oh yeah i'm sorry they do

support roe v wade yeah they would be

against the repealing of robbie wade

yeah

but in practice like even if they did

support it like it doesn't matter what

if they think that like in practice it

doesn't do anything you know all right

so i don't know america's abortion

stance toward other countries

well i don't think it has one right well

we could probably google this right what

does america have to say about you know

um abortion rights in other countries so

us

abortion um

so here the fight to secure

us abortion rights is global

what does that mean

um they're talking about ukraine myanmar

ethiopia and congo

so

so the debt so the trump administration

attacked signed a declaration attacking

the human right to abortion access but

that was in contra distinction to the

globalist name so the origin of the

declaration for the human right to um

abortion access

i am not sure where that comes from but

i'm pretty sure if we google it it's

going to come from the cia and it's

going to come from

the uh american globalist institutions

which trump was fighting against

throughout his whole presidency

well

we should we should look that up right

yeah i mean we can i've been googling

shit but i you know it's been kind of

dead air so i don't know if you want me

to continue researching it

um

well i mean just and without what you

just said i mean that's trump literally

going against what you just said like

it's not look

no it's not because

access to safe abortion is a fundamental

human right

um

this is from a

scientific institution

all i would pretty much have to do is

soros funded or pro-abortion

organizations

i can give you a list of them if that's

what you want

you know just look at that list and i

can actually give you the list right now

and just find what their position on glo

abortion as a global human right is so

wait what is what is george soros have

to do with this though well because the

open society foundation has sponsored

and funded a bunch of the color

revolutions that have been you know

initiated on behalf of u.s foreign

policy on behalf of the cia so abortion

funds advocates tweets all above all uh

black women's rj groundswell fund

napw

uh ppfa sister song woc so you pretty

much have to research any one of those

organizations

uh position on global abortion access

and you know

it'll be pretty clear

well okay before i go i guess what is

what is how do you define woke empire i

just want to know yeah so we basically

have this let's just call it the

progressive ideology right so my

argument is that the basis of the

progressive ideology does not come from

the grassroots it doesn't come from the

american people it actually comes from

think tanks academic institutions

and globalist institutions more or less

from the top you know ones that were

funded by the rockefellers ones that are

funded by you know the department of

state um

these kinds of things are where you're

getting these progressive avant-garde

quote-unquote ideas

uh originating from

and

that is then weaponized by the american

you know foreign policy department as

far as its cultural policies and its you

know interpretation of what universal

human rights means around the whole

world to then enforce on other countries

but doesn't that stand like like isn't

it contradictory towards like the belief

that a lot of these progressive ideals

originate from labor movements and like

class warfare

well i don't know like um

i guess

well there's a i'm trying to think of

like a specific one um

i guess like a minimum wage i guess

that's progressive

like a 15 a work minimum wage that would

that would originate from like labor

movements you know so yeah but the labor

movements demand for a minimum wage and

moreover a reduced work day

that wasn't an entirely qualitatively

different nature and the progressive

movement and the fabian society in the

uk which was all initiatives of the

ruling class

uh which basically sought to you know

formulate the demands of the labor

movement in order to kind of put an end

to the class struggle

um so

you know they don't actually originate

from the labor movement

those progressive economic policies

originate in the fabian society and the

progressive movement in the united

states which was fundamentally an

elitist movement which was divorced in

the labor movement

now what you're saying might be able to

account for the new deal policies maybe

right then maybe that comes from the

labor movement but when you're talking

about the post-world war ii uh john f

kennedy or lyndon b johnson great

society i mean this kind of welfare

state initiative

that does not come from the labor

movement that is coming from the

progressive

america

well

that's a it's a lot to take in

so um

i guess i'll have to go and continue to

listen but it was nice talking to you

okay well i guess

it was uh unsuccessful attempt to get

500

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what's that

okay

yeah i can hear you

funded by donators these are all

completely grand these are almost all

completely funded by

you know very rich people

and also the

uh when you pull americans on stuff like

abortion on stuff like raising

healthcare

the majority of americans are for those

things so i that doesn't really make

sense to me you're saying like the

american working class is inherently

reactionary when they are almost

completely in line

with progressive policies while the

belly in your class is not okay well the

billionaire class is overwhelmingly

progressive the rich people you're

talking about

uh are actually lower on the latter of

the hierarchy of the ruling club

brothers yeah the koch brothers and you

know the doors are not lower

they are absolutely lower the koch

brothers are small oil

uh capitalists

they're like almost petty bourgeois

compared to the rockefellers and that is

actually why the koch brothers have

funded all these tea party populace in

the first place because they're trying

to take on the oil monopoly that is you

know overwhelmingly monopolized by the

globalist ruling class that exists in

america aka the rockefellers and the

morgans you know exxon mobil and

whatever else these big oil companies

and the oil bankers correspondingly okay

that doesn't make any sense whatsoever

okay though these oil companies are

completely

did they find right-wing death squads in

countries they overthrow which ones

which are right-wing groups are funded

by

even big companies

chevron chevron has funded right-wing

paramilitaries in uh i believe it is

uh

uh ecuador okay

hold on so has the cia the cia is still

progressive uh by american standards

that's what gloria steinem described

them as so it's progressivism just kind

of like a social cue like i don't

understand that primarily it is it is

primarily but

i'm asking you

what about within america

what about

like work beyond the stuff they're doing

around the world which is not even

really the case anymore that's more

historical

overwhelmingly these large oil companies

are funding progressive initiatives

environmental initiatives ecological

initiatives uh socially progressive

initiatives absolutely not true they

might fund these social progressive

causes for pr because there isn't marx

talked about this the work the booty law

class does get alienated from their

labor so a lot of times they do reach

out to these social movements and kind

of grab at them and that makes sense but

that does not mean they're actually hold

on the problem is that

none of these social movements as you're

calling quote unquote pre-existed the

funding from the big institutions that

come from the ruling class so these

things were completely created by the

academia the think tanks and the

institutions of the ruling class they

were not organic spontaneous things that

came from the ground up they were always

elitist and they always came from the

corporations and the banks and and yada

yada so

you know no it didn't okay no no no no

which one's not true okay stonewall is

not funded by the billionaire class like

the original

um

leaders of these movements were not

founded by billionaires in fact they

were particularly quick so

you're clearly not familiar with the

origins of the lgbt movement

um you're clearly not familiar with the

fact that even marx and engels talked

about

the first form of that kind of movement

in germany which was coming from the

ruling class within germany

um but regardless i mean

you can't really sit here and deny the

fact that progressivism did originate

from the ruling class it was heavily

attached to the eugenics movement the

abortion movement and being about

progressivism okay what is progressivism

are you just talking about social

progressivism is that what you mean yeah

what we we think of that in america that

comes from the ruling class

overwhelmingly

that

that is not historically

accurate it's just not like you can say

it's true but sources and like the

actual history behind these movements to

not back that up all right what about

abortion what is what are the origins of

planned parenthood in the pro-abortion

movement in the united states

abortion has been around in the united

states since its inception

okay but i'm talking about the planned

parenthood family planning abortion

movement where does that come from

i know it comes from a very wealthy

person and these days okay so you're

admitting that one um

so what what progressive movement

specifically has been co-opted by the

capitalists rather than originating from

them

the gay rights movement

okay you think the gay rights movement

comes from the working class

yeah

okay

i'm just gonna google it for you

sure

just so we don't have to like disagree

about the um

origins of anything

okay so wikipedia is saying here that

the origins of the modern gay rights

movement as we know it comes from the

german empire which is something i

already knew by the way but you're free

to look this up and contest this if

you'd like

so the background was basically that

and marx and angles did talk about this

by the way

um

organized activism

was coming from

it was numero the homosexual movement in

imperial germany was numerically timely

numerically tiny but it had a high

profile and powerful allies the primary

source for that is sex and the weimar

republic german homosexual emancipation

and the rise of the nazis

um and you can contest that if you want

said it was high profile and had

powerful

allies

um it was extremely radical because of

deep-seated prejudice

uh by 1900 it was

one of the many because of the

so yeah i mean in its origins it was

coming from the ruling class

and marx and angles acknowledged as much

while it was happening

uh by the way and then there was the

kind of like the masculinist movement

where they were kind of you know

elevating the pederesti at peter street

from ancient greece the ideas of niche

the kind of anti-modernist ideas

you know proto-fascism basically they

were called the masculinists

um

so yeah i mean this this was definitely

in its origin

a ruling class movement

okay

so what what even if that's true why why

would that matter

why would that well and then the goal

right i didn't i didn't

talk about i didn't talk about the

significance yet from these higher

ruling classes because of the academia

there like the only thing super wealthy

to get the academic knowledge to even be

able to ponder these ideas yeah but what

we're arguing about is whether or not

the progressive movement has been

co-opted by capitalists or whether it

originates with capitalists

okay

there is a smart comment in my chat

there's a guy said question can you name

any social movements that didn't

originate with the ruling elite i can

easily do that

um the movement of the working class did

not originate with the ruling elite the

working class movement as we know it did

not originate with the ruling elite now

maybe socialism originated with the

ruling elite in its utopian form but the

general working class movement

buddhism and all this kind of stuff this

actually did come from the grassroots

from the working class

in addition conservatism

in the form of kind of reactionism in

general reactionism is one of the things

that also doesn't originate from the

ruling elite that is also a grassroots

thing that comes from

the people themselves

um reactionism yeah that comes from the

people definitely that is definitely a

grassroots phenomenon

okay i can agree with you that these

liberal ideas do definitely have origins

in the wealthy

i can definitely agree with you there i

just i don't think

that

that gives reason

to

not support these okay

well

well we don't have to discuss that but

what i want to ask you is oftentimes i

hear leftists say

that we need

you know this kind of cultural

liberation we need queer liberation this

liberation that liberation so who is it

in the united states specifically that

is standing in the way of that

liberation and why

is the conservative movement funded

mostly by the right wing

so you okay

i'm glad you already are going to say

it's the conservative movement okay

now

why is the conservative movement able to

pose such a heavy resistance to

progressive social change

because it is highly funded by

rich people and it's you know

uh

is the um

progressive movement funded by rich

people

uh

you keep think progressive

but i don't really

care about what rich people want to do

with their money or the social causes um

what i care about is real material

change okay sure i don't think

well you said the reason they're able to

pose resistance because they get funding

from rich people but the other side also

gets funding from more funding from rich

people by the way

so i mean why i don't really understand

but they just took away abortion right

so obviously one has more power than the

others

no actually um abortion rights were

taken away because of the judiciary the

judiciary which

is unseatable which means no because

there's a bunch of federal society

judges in the supreme court it's a

project that they've been very open

about for a very long time okay let's

actually um go start there why do you

think the supreme court justices

overruled

uh roe v wade

because they were trained by the federal

society to do so in order to increase

the white population the federal society

you can look it up there is uh clarence

the black guy is he also um

doing it yeah i think thomas is a

federal society

so this is a conspiracy theory that do

you think the federal society is here no

no no it's not comparison you can look

it up the federal society is very real

and they openly save their goals they

are funded by billionaires can you give

me some um

links to that the federal society

federal society

the federalist society okay

this is a american legal organization

um which was founded in 1982

uh long after the rockefeller-funded

institutions became entrenched to rule

over america okay here i got a list of

the federal society okay sure can you

give me this robert

i am not denying that high profile the

conservative elites are part of the

federalist society so we don't have to

name them they can all be a part of that

society but where are you getting beyond

okay where are you getting the idea that

they're doing this abortion stuff

because they want to increase the white

population

sure they're not going to openly state

that by the way that's not how this wait

but you you

and also i have another follow-up

question to that is that i also hear

that the restriction on abortion is

overwhelmingly going to impact uh black

and latino and brown people so it kind

of it just a little doesn't make a lot

of sense to me that on the one hand

black latino and other people

well oftentimes you're the argument that

restricting abortion is overwhelmingly

going to affect black women of color and

latino women of color who do have higher

birth rates and higher rates of abortion

than the white population so it seems

like the intended effect of you know

elevating the white birth rates

would fail because you know black people

and latino people have higher children

on average than white people do and i

don't see how

but

the white abortion rate is 50

60 of abortions that are done around

white people um so you're right there's

an un proportional a disproportional

amount of black and latino people that

do get abortions um but that does not

make up the fact that there are more

white people that get abortions than

people there's

there's a higher white population

already

but those white people are not having

enough kids that's the problem so

there's not a replacement rate that's

the argument right but how is restricted

i mean how is restricting abortion going

to solve that problem

uh white people are going to be forced

to have babies

sorry what

white people are going to be forced to

have babies

even if they even if they are they're

not going to be having as much babies as

latino and black people do because they

have much higher birth rates and they

have much higher rates of abortion

that's what i'm saying that's why they

want to do this because white people get

more abortions

if you get rid of abortion there will be

a better replacement rate for white

people and white people will continue to

be the dominant group in the country

even if i were to concede to you that it

would solve the replacement rate problem

although i find that dubious

um

you still understand that the rate of

births and abortions is higher for black

and latino people which means this will

actually

heavily increase the numbers the point

is to decrease the rate but i understand

what you're saying that it would it

would not decrease the rate at all

that's what i'm trying to say if if

these abortion restrictions are lifted

um sorry if these abortion restrictions

are imposed

uh black people and latino we were gonna

have much more children than they did

before

source on this

but i'm telling you the

that's the point to raise the white

population and lower immigration because

right now we still have a high

immigration rate and the point is

because we need those immigrants to

serve as an underclass for the country i

don't actually think the restriction on

abortion is going to significantly raise

the white population at

all so i just find it a dubious

motivation for why they would be

restricting abortion i mean if you want

to know what i think

i think the reason they're doing it is

because there is a huge conservative and

evangelical voter base that demands

their conservative politicians do this

and they're actually single issue voters

who are only focused on this and that by

doing this it's going to put these

voters in the gratitude of the

conservative pop politicians that are

doing this on their behalf

so my theory is that this is actually a

grassroots thing

that comes from maybe conservative you

want to call reactionary segments of the

american working class

and it does not come from any

institutions whatsoever it comes from

basically a huge segment of the american

people

i mean

how is that true at all

like the founding of fox news

in the uh okay so do you find the

so why do i think conservative

politicians are anti-abortion

because they're bases

because they're what

because their baby is

they're what they're they're bases yeah

you're right

i'm glad you admitted it

i'm glad you're admitting it it's

because they're bases because they

themselves are not conservatives as

madison cothrin approved they have

orgies they do drugs they don't have any

conservatism personally they don't care

about conservative values or ideology on

a personal level so i'm glad you're

acknowledging

i think you're misunderstanding me

because i know what you're trying to say

but i'm also saying that the

these movements only exist and the

reason why there's so many americans

that believe in them is because of

right-wing astroturfing the later after

jersey

such as

such as the koch brothers again

but again the koch brothers

why do the amount of okay why do

progressive americans have the views

they do

well i think for the majority of

progressive americans especially those

that live in cities large cities like i

do

um it's just

you're around more and different people

so you're more likely to have a better

understanding a better world view on

this i kind of just have you're around

so many different people yeah but i have

a hard time understa um you know

accepting that because you just said

that conservatives have the views they

do because of the minuscule

comparatively miniscule amount of

funding and astral serving done by

right-wing groups meanwhile the

mainstream media social media hollywood

media in general um the academic

institutions uh even the corporations

the workplaces people around you

all of these things that are funded by

the us government the corporations the

corporations all of these things

maybe you can find some small exceptions

but they are overwhelmingly woke they

are overwhelmingly progressive

and they are overwhelmingly quote

unquote left wing according to american

standards and you're trying to convince

me that the reason why progressives in

america are progressive isn't because of

the funding and the money that comes

from the ruling class yet right wingers

and conservatives are conservative

because of the comparatively minuscule

amount of money that gets pumped into

them from you know renegade capitalists

like the koch brothers that are trying

to take on the oil monopolies

okay so again we're at a split because

i

i get what you're trying to say but i

just don't think you're right because

the population numbers like you're just

if you if you pull people on this it's

just not true

the mass majority of this country are

for lgbtq like not before lgbt rights uh

the vast majority of this country is

forcing a second marriage

i don't know how reliable polling

actually is i tend not to want to look

at polling as much as i want to actually

look at

um how people are voting how people are

actually you know casting their ballots

uh in reality

but why would any progressive person

vote for the democratic party no shit

let's just

the progressive people do not turn out

nearly as much as right-wingers do i

don't actually think they're friends i

don't actually

i don't actually think those people are

committed progressives

i think those people are more like kind

of passive consumers who maybe you know

oh yeah i have these progressive social

views because you know this is what mtv

says but they don't actually care about

these things enough to actually go and

vote for them so i think that's a much

more passive kind of um

stance and i think if you actually press

them on it they're much more likely to

turn out right wing if you show them

kind of like you know the the term or

show them you show them photos of like

light term abortions i mean these are

the people who flip and turn into

hardcore evangelicals exactly political

people and they easily flip into

single-issue voters because you know

they they're you know fed

the extreme examples of abortions that

happen in this country

which are kind of later term

later trimester abortions and you know

how like the way like the fetus is kind

of ripped apart and stuff i mean this

psychologically impacts people and

they're like oh fuck you know this is

really good if your theory is true then

why has why why didn't they

why is it just starting like in the

2000s and later like shit like this was

not

popping before then before the invention

of the um the conservative movement was

more or less non-existent back then you

had the paleoconservatives

uh you had ron paul

uh but beyond that the neocons were

fully co-opted by the progressives and

then recently donald trump

well yeah well they also were in the

process of being assimilated so donald

trump's

aga movement has kindled new fire in the

kind of paleoconservative

and evangelical conservative movement

and that's why you're witnessing what

you're which you are now i mean they

have they've been emboldened like they

never have before

i think that that doesn't make sense to

me i'm sorry

all right well what what part of it um

doesn't make sense so we can try to

clarify more

again i'm just asking why

why did it pop up after the 2000s

because it's it didn't

because it was again after by

billionaires who create fox news so yeah

but

again

that is a comparatively small amount of

astroturfing compared to the progressive

movement

no i i don't like so

okay we can start there i think that

might be the source of confusion

so

do you disagree that the overwhelming

majority of all media that is consumed

by the american population has a

progressive bias

socially progressive um

sure

alright well i don't know why we

disagree then

that means there's more money being put

into socially progressive causes and

social conservatives like americans are

more socially progressive

um if that were true why does so much

money have to be put into the media that

they consume and the academia the think

tanks the ngos

i mean why do all these things that

produce the actual elites

that create this media why do all of

them have a progressive bent because

they don't originate just in the

american people and also if that was

true i mean you wouldn't see these

corporations be at the avant-garde of

the phenomena you would see them pull

people and be okay well this is what

people like and that's what's going to

be popular

but they don't do that they they put

themselves at the avatar of these social

movements

not based on polling and the consumers

but based on what they're getting from

the elite production academia think

tanks ngos activists and philanthropists

so i don't see yeah are you saying that

there's more that weren't gay people

before this

oh yes america's views on gay gay people

and gay rights

were much much

uh worse

let's say two or three decades ago

compared to now

much worse i mean they they were much

more you know ambivalent and kind of

uneasy and uncomfortable with them

if these businesses come from the

working class then why are so many

working class people trans historically

why are there a lot of working-class

people who are gay like

there really are they were they were

shown as the elite they were more shown

in the elite because that's where the

media always has focused on

so of course

if you want to play this game i'm not

going to give a normative judgment on

lgbt people but the

overwhelming majority of people in a

given moment of history are going to

come from the outside of the elite the

working class so i could i could agree

that probably this these tendencies

manifested themselves more in the

working class and i'm not comparing them

to pedophiles so don't put that in my

mouth but just hypothetically speaking

there's also more

pedophiles among the working class than

there are in the ruling class for the

exact same reason it has nothing to do

with whether it actually

reflects the values of the working class

and the way you actually measure that is

um

how are the values formed and how are

they differently manifested are the

values of the working class historically

more accepting

toward lgbt people compared to the

ruling class and actually this goes back

thousands of years the answer is no the

the poor and the bulk of society have

overwhelmingly been more conservative

and less accepting of alternative forms

of sexuality

than the ruling class was which was more

avant-garde and more experimental and

that is just a fact of history

that's not historically accurate at all

there's been lgbt movements in all sorts

of cultures for thousands of years among

the poor and you know the poorest people

that can you um are correct can you name

an example

sure

i believe in india or pakistan area

there were

trans people that have lived there for

like a thousand years

okay what was that a uh a movement that

was coming from the poor

because i don't just computer sex people

yeah was that a movement that came from

the poor

it's part of their culture

well that's different from a movement

that comes from the poor in contra

distinction to the ruling class i would

say um

as we can agree sexuality

defining these things i mean that does

come

from the ruling class in general but i

could agree that you know among culture

in india

also in indigenous societies they

recognize intersex people and all that

stuff but then again that would be a

form of traditional sexuality in their

culture and within the context of their

culture

um you know anyways i think we're

talking in circles here i can see the

chat wants to move on so i'm willing to

just give it up and say you are right i

do believe that progressivism

has there are parts of progressivism in

our modern progressive culture that has

come from the bourgeoisie but i do not

think this is a result of the

bourgeoisie funding them i think that is

a result of the academic uh

the academic opportunities the booth

fuzzy has had

so i i still disagree with you but we

can move on

okay

all right

um

i guess my response to that would be

when you do give

that opportunity and you make that more

populistic and you make it less elitist

you see what happened in stalinism

uh you see what happened in stalinism

which basically you know lends itself to

a kind of

proliferation of less avant-garde ideas

in the academia more conservative ideas

whether in the sphere of art or

sexuality or otherwise but go ahead king

pat and and uh go ahead and give your go

at this 500 remember 500.

i guess they disconnected um okay

well we're gonna do sean

okay well sean is a conservative so this

is not quite the person

um we're gonna do

yeah that's

any any of these people who call me dumb

or anything like that this guy yeah he's

uh got his username

oh

yeah go ahead

hey i'm indian so please forgive my

accent

i was here to tell actually that

thank you man appreciate it appreciate

the agreement okay so we got this one on

han posting let's great this is the type

of person that calls me stupid all the

time on twitter so this is an easy 500

for them go ahead

okay

i want to ask something about

ukraine

and russia if that's okay with you just

real quick

okay sure

why do you think that nato was bad and

there shouldn't be an intervention right

now

um

why do i think nato is bad and why do i

think there shouldn't be an intervention

sure

i don't see how nato nor hypothetical

intervention benefits the american

people in any way

having another democracy in the world

benefits the american people

um can you define what democracy means

please so we know what we're talking

about

um

a place that

will trade with the west and

which

conforms to the standards which fit into

the agreements of the eu

and nato so i agree that trade benefits

everyone in the world but china also is

pushing more integration economic

integration more than any so-called

democracy

so i have to ask why

why would a country that follows the

standards of the eu

barring the thing about trade how does

that benefit americans

barring anything from trade well if if

if china secures these

agreements then it doesn't benefit the

american people at all

but the more countries which are members

of

you know multilateral organizations

which we can

trade with and make agreements with

benefits of

so the the european union um has tariffs

against american manufacturing

and we have a trade surpluses with them

so the european union actually does not

benefit us in any capacity economically

okay i don't i don't know if that's true

or not i'll just take your word for it

all right i i think that's all i wanted

to talk about

well just to be clear have you um called

me dumb on twitter before because i just

think i don't want to be rude or mean or

anything but i think this is a good

opportunity to kind of like you know

more kind of prove that you know

i've actually debated with you before

you deleted the vod it doesn't exist

anymore which vote was that

it was a really really old vod uh would

you ask me to delete it because uh

someone did give me a request

no i didn't i didn't give a request

i

it was in it it was an early vod it you

might not even have deleted it twitch

might have deleted it i don't know well

if it was uh it was on twitch then yeah

i twitched deletes walls after two weeks

oh yeah then that's definitely what

happened

uh we did we debated about lgbt rights

i think uh

i got i got mad at you because

people in your community were saying

weird things about me

it was it's it was just an

inter-community thing but okay sure

all right well bye

all right bye

all right guys i mean this is an easy

500 i mean i i will literally give 500

to anyone who can kind of you know come

step up and

demonstrate what a dumb guy i am and you

know kind of

push back on some of my arguments

uh what about some of the arguments pat

sock moments of screenshotting those

should be easy dunks easy dunks right

this time you get 500 if you can

actually like win an argument with me

about any of them

so you know should be easy

should be really easy actually

you have a challenger

all right bring him up

sakeem speak

yeah i just wanted to say

um

i think you're mistaken

in thinking that any of this has to do

with genuinely held

uh beliefs

rather than like a calculated assessment

uh to determine how to maximize profit

beautiful

okay why do you think that

because it's coming from the

institutions that survive on that

all right so you're saying that you

don't think

the institutions which actually have a

monopoly which means we have no choice

uh which means they have no competitors

that could give voice to alternative

positions and that the competitors that

do actually you know have just they get

squashed they get marginalized

um

but you know beyond the monopoly

argument why do you think that they're

co-opting it from something authentic

rather than actually implementing an

elite manufactured

progressive use

well i think you can determine that

based off who they give their financial

support to

which um

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like there's an article on these kinds

of corporations that say they're pro-gay

who give um

money to anti-gay politicians and such

which ones

i can find the article

um and is that based on lobbying or is

it because they're supporting the

anti-gay agenda directly like are they

funding anti-gay movements or anything

or is it just like you know oil

companies lobbying

special interests and stuff for

economic reasons

uh as i'm aware of i think economic uh

positions have like

a big part of it but i think that that's

basically all of their decision making

okay well that's actually not true

because they do a lot of philanthropy

and support for progressive causes and

also activistic causes

uh including lgbt groups right

but i don't see examples of these

corporations supporting anti-lgbt groups

and anti-lgbt activism

why do you think they might be doing

that

uh why do i think they're engaging these

forms of philanthropy

yeah because i think the progressive

movement and progressive social causes

were created by the ruling class

in the first place i think it's their

pet project in the first place

you don't think it might be more um

like

more to do with public opinion in the

west

no i think they are actually the ones

trying to shape public opinion through

the media itself i don't think their

public opinion comes first i think

people's exposure to media and education

and academia

and social media and mass media i think

that's actually what's shaping their

opinions in the first place i don't

think it's coming organically i think

the closest thing to organically shaped

opinions

are coming from the reaction and

reactionism it's not coming from

progressivism

why do you think um

why do you think they might be

suppressing this type of

rhetoric in

countries that are more reactionary

um because they have to to

be able to do business in those

countries i absolutely agree but when

they do get the chance and this is

something you'll have to admit

they do lean on the progressivism until

the government of that country or the

social backlash in that country forces

them that

they're not able to so whenever they get

the chance

to kind of shoehorn their progressivism

they do it and they actually do it not

only through the corporations themselves

but through the us state department

which you know is pressuring

all these conservative countries

you know where and when they can

to you know adopt more progressive views

and they reward them and incentivize the

adoption of progressivism

um

they also um

they also seem to lean on a quality of

racial minorities

do you think that um

that equality of racial minorities is

like some sort of

uh

movement conjured by the elite

um

i don't think that i think there are two

facets of that

i think there is actually a black

movement

the marcus garvey's and the rest that

does come from the black population

um the malcolm x's

but they're all there is there is

definitely a you know black lives matter

you know uh

racial

so-called racial equality from the

progressivist cia bourgeois perspective

that does dominate the overwhelming

majority of manifestations of

anti-racist

sentiment on you know the media so yes i

do think overwhelmingly yes

i agree with that do you think that's

not the same case with the gay movement

no i because the difference with

nationalities and sexualities

is that the black let's call it a

nationality or a race or an ethnicity

whatever you want

um that is has been a source of genuine

national security for the american state

and for social stability

um i mean they that that has been a real

movement that has you know actually

undermined

the order within the us right

whereas i don't see the same thing with

with gay rights

why not

um because gay rights is an inherently

marginal phenomena of of sexuality and

culture

it's not just it's not like a nation

it's just a

marginal cultural

um phenomena

and that could not have possibly be

given representation or acknowledgement

in any mainstream sense if it wasn't for

the fact that it had powerful allies in

the ruling elite

do the movements that you mentioned like

regarding um

regarding the rights of racial

minorities not have representation

within the elites

they do but if they didn't have that

representation

black separatism the marx garvey's the

malcolm x's the nation of islam's the

the fair khans and the uh elijah

muhammad's those would still be there

those would definitely still exist

um i think the uh the radical aspect of

the queer liberation movement

would be a lot more popular

if the same thing weren't to have

happened with the gay rights movement

but the same thing couldn't have

happened with it with a gay rights

movement because you know lgbt and gay

rights that is a cultural

that is a cultural phenomena that is not

a nation

so it's not comparable to black people

why does it matter

well it matters because the black

population

is actively

constituting itself and reproducing its

reality

in this country

whereas

this cultural phenomena cannot actually

acquire a collective identity without

institutions so black people

have traditions

that are actually based on history and

customs and mores

and oral tradition whatever you want

whereas the

phenomena of sexual minorities would

otherwise be a disjointed you know um

kind of disunified

marginalized and scattered

social phenomena that

only really exists for a minority of the

popul very small minority of the

population

if it wasn't actually being championed

through a political identity so the

difference is that one can exist

as an interest group without political

institutions

and the other one can't

i know that you're saying that but i

don't really see substantiation in your

assertion

yeah i'll i'll go ahead and make the

case for you so regardless of um the

kind of bourgeois or cia progressive you

know kennedy championing of the

so-called you know um black cause and

black power movement

um aspects of it at least there would

have still emerged spontaneous forms of

black national

separatism and and um identity right

whereas when it comes to an lgbt

movement that would never be able to

have any representation or emerge into a

coherent unified movement

if it wasn't being championed from the

ruling class

i still don't like you're you're just

making that assertion you're not really

explaining why

okay well the reason for that is because

again

the reality of black people

is not going to be reduced to

institutions

now you can say the reality of lgbt

people is also not reducible to

institutions

but in terms of being able to um arrive

at a common identity it it must

be reduceable to institutions otherwise

it's a kind of secretive disparate

phenomena that just exists as a marginal

sexual practice

you know

that's not really intelligibly separate

as one you know interest room oh go

ahead

sorry

i said go ahead

i'll go ahead with watching

oh it seemed like you were still talking

okay

yeah it doesn't really seem like you're

very familiar with the lgbt community

and it also seems like you're not

like you have this idea that the black

community is some kind of monolith and

completely unified that's not what i

said

i know it's not what you said but it

seems like the uh

seems like the um

i i will say they're definitely more a

monolith

than the lgbt movement otherwise would

be in terms of their identity having a

common identity

and that's tracing back to the history

of slavery

so that's that's like a

an actual material identity that's that

that exists materially

what

what distinction are you driving

uh

from that and the uh queer community

in terms of like material identity yeah

materially speaking

the only reason there is a queer

quote-unquote community

is because of institutions

that were that have their basis in the

elites

otherwise it would not be a community

whatsoever it would not be a definite

community of people remember a community

of people that's like a nation right

that's like a

that's a unified

form of a people that's a state it's a

country it's a nation

uh when you're calling them a community

you're already implying that they are

being unified by a singular interest

group

otherwise what are you saying they're a

nation of some kind

no not exactly but i don't think you're

very

familiar with the cure queer community

which i mean all right well let me ask

you this question how could there be a

queer community

without um institutional interest groups

the same way there can be any kind of

community without institutional interest

groups

i mean i don't really know what question

so you think you think um lgbt people

would just as much constitute a definite

community

that a nation like the black population

would

without the institutions

yeah absolutely so more or less you're

saying the lgbt people are a nation

i mean you can call it that if you want

i don't really i care about well how do

you define a nation because stalin

defines a nation as a people with a

common territory a common language

common culture a common psychological

makeup

and um

i forget there's other factors but he

defines it in these ways

so how do you define a nation if if lgbt

people constitute a nation in your

belief

i'll just i'll just take the definition

that you gave i think that

a nation constitutes a community but a

community doesn't necessarily constitute

a nation do you think the family as a

unit of reproduction is an indispensable

part of what defines a nation

say that again you cut out a little bit

do you think the family as a unit of

reproduction

is an indispensable part of being able

to define what a nation is

i i mean i don't i don't really care to

be honest i'm not really talking about a

nation

so you're not talking about a nation

no i said community

okay so but so you can't have both

arguments though you just said that lgbt

people constitute a community in the

same way that black people do but black

people constitute a community because we

can theorize they are a separate nation

so

how do we how do we square that with the

fact that lgbt people are not a nation

well i'd say that every community has

some sort of um

difference between it okay how how

materially do lgbt people constitute a

community

in what sense

in any sense whatever sense you're using

it in

no i don't know what you're asking like

like they caveat them materially like i

don't really know i mean like um without

uh being cohered into various instant

interest groups and ngos

and things like that

i mean

i

live in the queer community every day

outside of institutions so

i mean okay but like i don't really know

why what is i don't really know why all

right well can you tell me how it's a

community

materially how is it a community

i'd say it's a community because um

it's a group of people with a common

interest

or how does that interest

express itself materially rather than

through an institution or through an

interest group

i don't know exactly what you mean by

that

well i mean like it kind of seems like

this is an artificial

interest created by an interest group a

movement called the lgbt movement

and a common interest would not

otherwise exist between gay people

lesbians trans people

um

bisexual people and then before remember

namblo was part of the lgbt movement so

that was also pedophiles so i don't see

how all these people

have a common interest

and

by the way um how does it happen that

some sections of the community get

exiled and pushed out like nambla was

how does that work right how is that a

nation if you can just arbitrarily

or how is that a real community if you

can just somehow cut off our community

that's ever existed in the history of

humanity has like excised people

okay um but

the question is not that they've excised

me was just how they did it right did

they all of a sudden just spontaneously

wake up and say like oh no

um

amla does not have a common interest

with us or was it and this is

historically documented for pr purposes

by the actual interest groups and

institutions and ngos and

kind of quote unquote movement on an

institutional level which said we have

to disassociate from an amber because

they're bad optics

um it had nothing to do with anything

going on on the ground as far as the

community is concerned

um i'm not particularly from familiar

with that um

like with what you're referencing so

i can't really speak on that

okay

well i i just don't see how it's a

community in any material sense um i

think without my thesis again is that

without your

go ahead yeah without the um

elite institutional backing

uh it would not be able to constitute

itself as a community or a unified

identity whatsoever it would just be a

disparate

phenomena marginal phenomenon maybe

maybe maybe secretive kind of societies

and you know kind of bars and

things like that

those might exist but they would never

cohere and unify themselves into like a

political identity from identity in

general

that required the

backing from the elites

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i still i don't understand why you're

saying that because like

like it required um

some level of

effect from institutions

to um

to create this kind of shared identity

for

like minor minority communities in the

us

um like

yeah

i'm saying there would be no lgbt

movement without

uh us imperialism and the cia and the

rockefeller foundation

and you know the ford foundation and all

that kind of stuff

and why is that

because the movement has no actual

organic basis in the people and it's

it's only basis is through

interest groups that have elite funding

you don't think that like

the vast majority support of

americans

for the lgbt community and gay marriage

doesn't

doesn't point to something like that

i think that was an opinion that was um

forged by

media i don't think that's an opinion

that would have spontaneously evolved

among the american people and that's the

simple reason that for hundreds of years

people have more or less had the same

opinion on the matter i mean in the

places like the middle east

asia in russia wherever you want to go

eastern europe i mean people are

overwhelmingly disposed

to have a negative stance to uh any kind

of you know lgbt movement or gay

marriage

and

you know it's it's not changing just

with the wind it's just the default

stance they have now you could say it's

a reactionary stance i won't push back i

won't argue about that but i do want to

establish that this doesn't come from

the working class it doesn't come from

you know organically from the people

this is something that comes from the

top as far as pushing acceptance is

concerned

i mean i guess it depends on who you're

excluding from your uh idea of the

working class

well again would you i'm not calling gay

people pedophiles i'm not calling uh

lgbt protocols but you have to agree

there's pedophiles among the working

class

there's cannibals among the working

class

there's murderers among the working

class

but none of those things can

qualitatively define the working class

unless we are talking about the values

held by the working class as a

collective culturally right otherwise i

mean yeah of course among working-class

people there's people from all sorts of

backgrounds and identities but the

question of whether or not elevating

those things to the status of a

political interest group comes from the

working class or not is a different

question there have always been

sexual minorities among the working

class but that's different from saying

that the political interest of those

minorities

comes from the working class when that's

articulated into a unified political

interest that is something that came

from the ruling elites

it seems like you're being like really

selective with what you consider to be

organically coming from the working

class and what's actually them being

manipulated because like what you said

with abortion earlier

um can you specify

well just that you said that

that since that was coming from the

people

that that was some sort of

organic working-class like

grassroots movement

but i mean like if you look at the polls

the majority of americans support lgbt

people

do you think they supported the

overwhelming majority of americans

supported lgbt people uh three decades

ago

no

what do you think accounts for the

change

um i'd say acceptance

what what a consequently change in

acceptance

um

i mean i think it would

like i think a variety of factors would

account for that i'm not exactly

sure what do you think there's a main

factor at all

what you think there's a main factor at

all

um

well

i'm not really sure like

i guess it's the same kind of thing like

like coming from that civil rights era i

don't know exactly

the civil rights movement

um

also would not have been possible

and this is something malcolm x also

recognized without the institutional

aspect

well from the progressive movement

um so that's another thing too

um the civil rights movement

as far as what that culminated into did

not actually

necessarily represent

a

broader black nation at the time right

but anyway um i'm trying to ask you like

it's the same kind of thing

like even though obviously the civil

rights

movement isn't as successful as anybody

well the problem is that the racial

acceptance that has been

you know that has been um accomplished

after the civil rights movement you will

hear from black thinkers and authors

this is a sham this actually covers up a

level of remaining brutal racial

oppression and that this was basically a

form of like delusion pushed by the woke

liberal elites to pretend that we live

in a uh

a colorblind society

where you know the realities of race

have been eliminated because we're all

you know formally equal and peace and

love and whatever

and you know from the black pessimist

school or the afro-pessimist school and

then others they're pushing back on that

idea right

um but i wanted to ask you um

you're saying lgbt acceptance has

uh has has happened in the same way that

the acceptance of of civil rights has

happened i actually think that's that's

not true and i can point to some reasons

for that

so

beyond the aspect of the promotion and

media and the elites and all that kind

of stuff

um the tendency toward increasing

urbanization in the united states

as well as the unified education system

in general

um

i think that is broadly responsible more

for

an organic acceptance of of racial

tolerance or whatever in the united

states

uh whereas i don't see that there has

been an increased level of urbanization

or anything like that

since the you know three decades ago

when people would not have been tolerant

of the lgbt movement in your view

so i mean like the factors that are

responsible for people to have more kind

of racial acceptance are not the same

ones that have led people to have lgbtq

acceptance

i don't know exactly what's wrong with

your mic but you seem to be cracking up

a little bit

yeah i was just saying the reasons for

the acceptance are not the same

i would disagree that uh the civil

rights movement didn't have a very big

part

in the uh driver of acceptance for these

minority groups

um

whether it did or not i don't see why

that's material

because the civil rights movement itself

was not

holy or even primarily a grassroots

thing

okay

i don't like why would i care

well i mean because we're trying to talk

about

what are the reasons for lgbt acceptance

you would have to say like you're you're

mentioning these more radical thinkers

of like

the uh

black liberation movement or whatever

you would like to call it in like a

holistic sense you're mentioning like

more radical thinkers as saying that um

like you're kind of separating them from

the more mainstream movement but that's

the same thing that i'm doing wait but

the mainstream movement

um the mainstream movement is

the thing that was part of the

progressive agenda the progressive

movement

okay

i'm not talking about what whatever you

consider the

progressive agenda to be i'm talking

about so what what what is the real

radical lgbt movement that

is different from the one that's just

kind of being pushed

by the mainstream corporations the

academic elites the general cultural and

economic elites i mean what is the real

one that you're talking about

well it's it's this it's in the same

kind of way that you were mentioning

figures like malcolm x

like a lot of

a lot of the um

population isn't that kind of radical

but that doesn't really

take away from the fact that it exists

well that has nothing to do with my

mention of it has nothing to do with the

number of the population i think most

black people are probably sympathetic to

malcolm x

more than they are to you know the

mainstream kind so it's not about the

amount of people and

also mentioning malcolm x is only

possible because black people constitute

a nation which you agree lgbt people

don't right

so i'm just kind of curious about how

they're even comparable

well i'd say that

it doesn't particularly matter whether

they're a nation or not

to me a nation is just a type of

community

right but the thing about a nation is

that it can organically reproduce itself

specifically through the family unit

which is an important thing

without the need for you know

progressive

elites or institutions

to you know represent them so a nation

has some kind of material reality

um i don't

i don't see how um

like you're you're insinuating that

because

uh

a certain

group can't reproduce itself

uh

organically that um

it's something conjured from the elites

would like this no i'm saying that

because they can't reproduce themselves

materially

they cannot be a nation

what do you mean by that

so because

what i mean by that is that they have no

coherent unified identity

without institutional representation

and why is that

um because in order for their interest

to be established as a common interest

their cause has to be taken up and

championed in a rather inorganic and

inauthentic way

by institutions

why like you're still just making that

assertion because there's nothing that

unifies necessarily gay people lesbian

people transgender people bisexual

people and and pedophiles because they

were also part of that movement at the

time as well as the other multitude of

identities that exist that of the

so-called lgbt movement nothing actually

unites these people and as a matter of

fact nothing unifies a a a a gay person

in new york with a gay person in in um

california nothing actually unifies them

there is no actual real unity of these

people they're not connected by any kind

of concrete bonds they're not connected

familially like you know in terms of

blood or or you know um nationally

culturally nothing connects them okay

the only thing that unifies all these

people

are movements and interest groups and

activist groups that's the only thing

that unifies

and the the proof of that is that some

of them can just be easily excluded like

pedophiles were in ambler right

with the flip of a switch just like that

that's not true for black people you

can't just say that some black people

are no longer black at the flip of a

switch because they're supposedly bad

optics for black people because black

people exist as an objective material

reality

as a unified identity as a coherent

unified identity which also has the

bearings of a of a unified political

identity and political interest you know

regardless of whether the progressives

are championing or taking up their cause

so that's the fundamental difference

do you think that their oppression has

something to do with that unity

um

of course it does but it's not only

defined by oppression that's the thing

that's what a lot of white people don't

understand is not only oppression that

defines the unity of black people they

actually do have their own national

culture they have their own traditions

their own food their own ways of living

their own customs their own culture

their own music their own everything

it's not just depression

do you know how many different like

kinds of black culture there are it's

not i'm talking about american

american i'm talking about foundational

black americans sir

i'm not just talking about anyone of

african descent i'm talking about

foundational black americans

okay that's fair enough

um

what i keep getting back to though is

that

you keep saying that

lgbt people

like need institutions for there to be

any kind of cohesion of them

yes

but i haven't really

found that you've

gave

a real explanation of that

well the reason for that is because lgbt

is just referring to marginal forms of

sexuality

yeah

okay so you agree with me about that

right

yeah and identity and such

well identity's different right but

just different forms of sexuality let's

just agree with that people don't refer

to

sexuality depending on

what definition of sexuality you're

referring to do you think the gay

identity precedes people who are

engaging in homosexual activities

i don't know exactly what you mean by

that

no of course it doesn't right there's

plenty of people who don't identify as

gay who are still gay right but are just

in the closet

so anyway um

these are

marginal forms of sexual practices

yeah

okay

so if there's marginal forms of sexual

practices

how do those acquire a unified national

political interest

without a political institution and

without an activistic political cause

how does that become unified into like a

common political identity like

like do you think every type of

community needs

uh an institution to um

to kind of uh

to exist as a unified identity no i

don't i don't think black people

um not even no

why

because that's a great example black

people don't have their own political

institutions

yet clearly exist as a political bloc as

far as the democrats are concerned

the democrats represent black recognize

black people as like a separate

community

even though they don't have their own

independent political forms of

representation which is something the

democrats actually take advantage of by

conning trying to con black people and

voting for them

i'm talking about like

political ideology like those like

communists like yourself

of course

of course an ideology requires

institutions

but if we're just going to define lgbt

movement as an ideology i think we've

made it and established it is pretty

crystal clear that

this is not like an organic grassroots

thing that's coming from the ground up

this is an ideology some people happen

to have

it as an ideology i was just trying to

engage your opinions okay

so again i want to reiterate

the lgbt movement as we know it

originates with the ruling class and

would not exist as a movement without

the rule of class that's

a thesis there would be have been no way

for it to gain

acceptance on an institutional level

representation in the media

anything of that sort if it wasn't for

the fact that it was championed by the

ruling

i guess it i just don't know what to say

here like it doesn't it doesn't seem

like you're being very um

okay why do you think other countries

are not accepting or don't have an lgbt

movement that's accepted by society

is america just more advanced than them

i'm in that like two decades they'll be

just like america

uh

no i wouldn't say so i think it uh

i think it has to do with like um

just the material the material reality

that happened to manifest

which was what

well just like our current material

reality i think it just happened to

manifest that way

um

how

how materially

in a way that's different from others

say again

uh how materially in a way that's

different from others

i don't exactly know where to pinpoint

it

i just think that um

generally with the exception of um like

uh

imperialist conquests that seem to have

uh

seemed to have fostered like

more reaction in the middle east in like

recent times um wait but why would why

would the association be made in the

middle east

between

the algae and lgbt movement and

imperialism

well you were you were saying um

you were asking how uh

the um material reality in the us is

different from other countries where

it's less accepting

i think that the middle east was on

track to become more accepting but that

material uh

like imperialist conquest by the us

threw that off okay can you give

examples of why you would think it would

be more accepting

um

well just like since there was um

since like the destabilization of the

region

in

say the uh

the mid 20th century i would say it was

on track to becoming more uh progressive

so you don't think exactly progress okay

so in the mid 20th century do you think

the overwhelming majority of people

living in syria egypt

iraq

um

whatever other country you wanna iran do

you think the overall majority of people

living in those countries

were extremely extremely conservative

well yeah i would still say that they

were so what are examples of them being

on track to become more progressive like

america

hold on just a second

i don't want to spend a lot of time

looking it up right now but

like you could correct me if i'm wrong

but um

like before the destabilization of the

region by the us

uh

women's rights and such were

um we're looking to be uh

less reactionary than they've turned out

to be so

well okay well that's a common myth if

you want to know what my level of

understanding is is that it's a common

myth

what happened was that the urban elites

in middle eastern countries who were

overwhelmingly educated in the west

were very out of touch with the

overwhelming majority of the rural

populations that populated their

countries

and that

when forms of government that became

more representative to what they call

the arab street

or the persian street the iranian street

after 1979 after the revolution

urban life had to readjust and

accommodate itself to the realities of

that country

um in a way that you know wasn't just

representing these out of touch

westernized

elites so you know i think it's a myth

that they were more progressive just

because a minority of people living in

cities

you know um

adopted western culture i think that

reflected

the dependence that urbanization had

previously had on american globalization

and

when you know they became less reliant

on that and they started to develop

their own national economies

the culture overall became just more

representative of what people in the

countryside

believed

i'll have to look more into that because

i'm admittedly not very educated on it

okay

and um i think i've got to head to bed

soon because it's pretty late here but

i enjoyed the conversation all right

okay bye

we got another guy sir lovely all right

yeah i'm just saying it's like uh

i there's always like thousands of likes

on twitter of people

saying i'm a dumbass saying this saying

that i just

i think this would be the time to step

up and claim your five hundred dollars

you know should be easy money but go

ahead and maybe sir ludwig will be able

to do it go ahead along with it but go

ahead

well i'm kind of in agreement with you

and howdy folks thank you for the

opportunity

so i'm in an agreement with the right

speaker

your position

if you could close out your mind and get

an echo at miami they appreciate that

um

so

so as far as america being woke uh i

don't think so

um and you guys are talking about this

you know how do these

groups unify or what causes them to

unify

um

it's interesting because i believe

there's a room in elite hidden hand

whatever you want to call it powers to

be

and the power is to be

create this atmosphere where the powers

to be themselves first will demonize and

harm a group

to make a group become

one group or unified

and it's usually a long identity type

uh victimization or victimhood mentality

and then they use this group to promote

and institute agendas

for instance with the gay thing uh you

know being you know gays have been

around for as long as there's been

humanity i imagine there was two cavemen

at one point in time that were

participating in this lifestyle

um or this sexuality

now for the longest time nobody really

cared you know back in the pioneer days

they would call them dandies

and nobody cared they were productive

members of society they weren't

ostracized now what's interesting

is a lot of this ostracization of

different

ideologies or sexualities or groups

really became vogue in the early

1900s as like 1930 40 50 and 60.

prior to that

there wasn't this kind of um

demonization

you know there was american towns where

the black community was part of the town

and the people didn't you know they've

gone

yeah i just want to be clear like let's

just focus on one thing at a time

because i don't think the

reality of a black nation is comparable

to the

lgbt movement so go ahead

i wanted to point that out

yeah i was just making the point that

like you know there's a point in time in

america where there'd be communities

where you know they lived

kumbaya with the black

community um it wasn't until the

institutions

started

pushing this divide

um that

that things really got out of hand and

you see the rise of the division and

identity us against them

and the ruling elite would do this on

purpose to promote other agendas

you know this glorification of

the gay lifestyle the promotion of the

gay lifestyle on to children

you know they first these same powers

demonized the gay community when

americans were not

and then so they made it you know all

these bad people

and the church had a lot to do with this

um

god sorry

no that's all right go ahead i didn't

mean to cut you off

well just in closing i was gonna say you

know you've seen the demonization of the

gay community which unified anybody i

identified as such

and then they gave them a victimhood

mentality and then they promoted this

lifestyle and now the roman elite

they're playing both sides they have an

agenda of trying to deconstruct a family

and they're using the gay community now

what's interesting are the lgbtq

you know

the gay community itself is starting to

move into the right direction where

they're speaking out against the very

things that are being advocated for them

because they see the harm in it and they

see the hypocrisy and unfairness of it

more so than say the lesbian community

so

i will agree with you that before

a certain time period let's just say

that right

these

sexual practices right save for the

abuse of children right because that was

always something

people were just there was a zero

tolerance on that but say for that

um that's not only true for america it's

also true in the middle east right

people believe it or not you know people

knew that there's yeah there's gay

people there's people who alternative

sexualities and it wasn't really a big

deal right

um now it was still taboo to be a public

thing and it was still taboo at the

level of like

whether it's openly accepted but people

didn't know what existed and people knew

where it was happening and all and they

knew who was whatever and they kind of

just just ignored it and basically

didn't really care right and be

scandalous maybe if a leader was doing i

mean even then i mean look we're talking

hundreds of years back

leaders were doing it they didn't it was

a completely different lifestyle and

thing right it was definitely not

uh conforming to a traditional model of

sexuality so i agree with that

but overall yeah i think you're right i

think there was not a lot of um

anti-gay sentiment

but you do have to acknowledge that it

did

emerge in

at the same time that it was starting to

be pushed as a political agenda

so when it started to be pushed as a

political agenda that created an organic

backlash

and i don't really think the backlash

was itself created by the ruling elites

i think the backlash was an organic form

of reactionary whatever reactionism

and it's basically become a question

that was forced on the country now if

you want my opinion right

i i think that

when when when that thing becomes forced

on a country

i personally do think that you know

reactionism is vain i think people who

fear monger and all that kind of stuff

it's not gonna work it's just uh gonna

it's gonna lead to a level of perversion

that

is worse than whatever lgbt is and

that's that's clear firsthand right it's

it changes heterosexuality

into something natural into like this

weird forced perversion

that's very clear among you know a lot

of conservatives

so who pathologically obsessed with lgbt

shit and stuff so i do agree with that

right

but i do think it's important to

acknowledge

that

the more this question keeps being

pushed on the population in unnecessary

ways

such as the the you know the pronouns

that we have to just

change completely how we interact as

human beings

uh the more it is creating the backlash

organically right

but i don't think the backlash is itself

part of an maybe it is part of an elite

agenda of some kind

uh that's a possibility i could

entertain but you do have to at least

acknowledge that the way they're going

about to create that backlash

is through consolidating an lgbt

movement with an agenda and a specific

set of goals

you know that permeates all lover levels

of the ruling society

well yeah you're not wrong

they do create the backlash and as i

stated like even in the arab lands right

the arabs historically they you know

they had the same issue you know there's

always been gays in arab countries

and nobody really cared much it was the

religion that made people care

it was islam it was islam the

demonization of the gay community and

then the indoctrination of the populace

to view being gay

even islamic civilizations and societies

especially among the ruling class of

those societies

there was especially in the ottoman

empire so there was widespread

let's just say alternative sexual

lifestyles

you know whether that was in line with

the orthodox religion was immaterial

because not all of islamic society was

just defined by a fundamentalist

religion right so yeah it was definitely

prevalent

in uh the middle east and in islamic

societies

um

drinking wine was also you know an el

angelos people drank wine

so not they weren't really just

following the religion only

but you know fundamentalist uprisings

were always tied to the poor those were

always uprisings of the poor wanted to

return life to a more simple

fundamental right

uh to humble the rich in general so

there's that dynamic

that was definitely at play but you know

in general um

you know it's not really true that uh

traditional sexual sexuality

in a way that is pathologically fearful

of of alternatives has been the norm

history it's just not there there has

always been traditional sexuality but

that has always been more broad than uh

than uh i guess

wasp kind so i do acknowledge that

i just think i just think the lgbt

movement is not a return to that like

alternative whatever traditional

sexualities i think it's a way of of of

um

trying to impose

a new level of

discursivizing

in a really inorganic way people's

sexuality it's a it's a it's a way to

kind of try and thrust upon the question

of america like you know destroying the

foundations of of sexuality itself

and i think the way you beat that isn't

through reactionism which is like

demonizing lgbt people i think it's more

kind of you know

uh

not pathologizing alternative

sexualities but also being very firm

about the fact that you know we're not

gonna make this a political priority

we're not going to like

be on board with this agenda you know we

accept people people do whatever they

want in private people should be

respected

within reason like but when i say

written reason if someone comes and says

you know i identify as a

fairy or some shit it's like yeah you

know what you can identify it with a

mental institution or something

so yeah within reason but

you know um

i just think uh

i just think you know it's the lgbt

movement is definitely

coming from the top i don't think that's

coming from the people

yeah no i agree with that and my point

was is that it's the ruling elite or i

call it the hidden hand they used

religion to create this division

and their agenda for that is

one thing i'll grant you one thing and

uh

evangelical movement in the united

states and then it has the hands of

elites all over it i can give you that

now to be fair it's able to reproduce

itself much more organically than

progressivism is but yeah the

evangelical movement is definitely um

from the one from the 80s you know

the moral majority or whatever i mean

that yeah that has big money

and weird connections all over it but

this thing is that those are the same

connections as you're kind of pointing

out that the progressive movement has

right

it's just that the progressive the

people behind the progressive movement

are open about supporting a progressive

movement whereas they were kind of like

a little bit

um

not open about their support for the

evangelical or fueling the evangelical

movement so i think i think there's

truth in what you say

i just don't think that's really an

argument against anything i've said i

think kind of more just adding to what i

said you know

the main thrust of what i'm saying is

that the progressive movement comes from

the ruling elites now

a lot of the established forms

of

evangelical conservatism that does come

from the ruling lease as well

it's just that the sentiment behind it

doesn't that's an organic sentiment

i think that's the difference

well as i stated you know yeah i'm not

trying to debate with you i'm you know

i'm the type i like dialogue

and you know you're not wrong but my

point was is they're playing both sides

and they create this atmosphere because

they have other agendas so when they

radicalize religion whether it's islam

or christianity or any other religion

when they radicalize religion

it has a multiple effect right you now

you create an opposition to that and you

control that opposition and

you

wind up making people turn away from

religion

so you're actually destroying religion

when you radicalize religion

this is their intent

all right well thank you for your

perspective sir appreciate it

all right we're going to have one more

guy on it's going to be king philippe

and then we're going to wrap this up

go ahead

uh listen i think uh america is walking

but it's not an empire anymore

you know because though you know when i

saw

people fighting for against

uh abortion pro-life you know i'm a

pro-life as well you know

let's take our lives back you know this

is the this is the

solution fight for it don't be

fearing them you know

stop whining

and start grinding you know this is my

motto

matter of fact i started my own website

to collect all the people who awoke into

one big website

i suggest you go to my profile and check

the links

but i think america needs the long run

it needs to be strong and never giving

up but that's hard when you see how the

elite is playing us all out

we live in a timeline you can find

everything but not everything is true

and this is a concern

especially if he's trying to be a weak

empire

and a doctor uh

dr has you know i love that name but

you need to stop being

sleeping you need to be awake too what

do you do

to create a world empire do you go on

spaces and tell everybody i'm woke no

you fight with the people who are

fighting for

freedom

of life freedom of religion

freedom of future thank you for your

perspective sir appreciate you

uh don't be

intimidated by me bro

yeah no problem

thanks for your perspective glad you can

contribute your perspective thank you

oh you think it's not worth it

what's that

you think it's not working talking to

people

no i mean i we we have we we're the

space was created for a clear intention

man and you know we're not just here to

say anything you know

so

so you think i'm off topic or something

yeah just a little bit i think you know

i don't know really

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you know why why bro why do you think

i'm off topic i'm talking about how i

view it you know this is and that is not

only my view this is

also a lot of

all right what is your view sir

huh what is your view

it's just leaving well my view is the

people are scared you know they don't go

yeah i agree i mean i don't really

disagree with much of what you're saying

well you don't have to i mean

but you agree about me

saying

that people are scared of their own

government

yeah i agree they are

and that's why they have almost all the

power in the world

you see

i'm not off topic

i'm actually on topic

thank you for having me bro yeah thank

you thank you appreciate your

perspective

yeah me too

all right

um

all right we're wrapping it up there

and yeah we're just gonna wrap that up

oh man

good morning revolution good morning

revolution muriel thank you so much man

appreciate you

appreciate you so much man

all right

thank you so much for the donation

abc mine appreciate you so much man

thank you so much

um what did i want to say

yeah i think i'm pretty um

it's kind of sad

how

is represented i am

um

but i don't know i guess there's nothing

i can fucking do about that

ah

need better marketing

i don't know

i will be right back guys i'm gonna take

this

i'll be right back

oh

really sucks

telling the truth though

of course they gave me fries

ah

nobody won the 500.

absolutely no one won

asking why do the elites promote

lgbt activism

i think it's out of sincere belief i

think progressivism is genuinely the

ideology of the ruling bourgeois

capitalist class i think they generally

do believe it

i don't know if there's an ulterior

motive or not you know i think they do

just believe it

did you know moscow elite

compared to who

that's just a question compared to who

make someone do an elite

um

i guess

what is the proximity of their power i

guess maybe understanding of power would

maybe you begin there

are they part of an exclusive group

which wields

um the most amount of power as a group

as an exclusive group over society in

the state i think that's how it fucking

i think that's how i define it the most

amount of power in exclusive group

wields

that's what an elite is

if you're part of that group

i guess the final thing i'll say about

the lgbt thing is that

i think the main appeal

has a lot to do with

um

the way sexuality has been disentangled

stable and familiar phenomenal forms

right i think

a lot of it does is an aesthetic it's

not just a form of sexuality it's like

that rainbow flag is basically trying to

say like this is the true code behind

every stable form phenomenal form it's

like this is the literal

spectrum of visible light right

this is what actually underpins all

humans desire and sexuality and

enjoyment and culture and aesthetics and

that kind of and that's really what my

main problem with it is it's not really

uh

about alternative sexualities which i

could care less about that

and that leads to a position for

heterosexuality which is just impossible

right how can you be heterosexual

um

not in the sense of like your practices

but in terms of your aesthetic

in the face of that right the

heterosexuality just becomes another

form of of uh

deterra and just another form and an

arbitrary form of this kind of

deterritorialized

spectrum of sexuality in relation to the

phenomenal world

i think the reason many lgbt ideologies

took issue with me

uh before i said anything about the lgbt

movement

was because they could somehow detect

that infrared

represents a reel of

heterosexuality like it's not just an

arbitrary heteronormative prejudice

there is a real

to uh

the relation of man and woman that is

grounded in the signifier

not grounded in the consistency of some

imaginary forms as lachan would put it

i think people were kind of very

terrified

of this possibility which is a lot of

lgbt people

became insecure about their own

sexuality because of me i think that's

my theory i think they became insecure

in their own sexuality

because of me so they had to find these

extremely psychotic

ways to try and discredit my character

um on a very personal like whatever

level

oh

how's the virgin whatever

i think they did that to kind of try and

prove to themselves i don't represent an

authentic

aesthetic right i don't

represent anything real but this is all

just fake and behind this our house just

doesn't know anything

cause uh it's you know

someone you can't take them seriously

they just

it's a performance just like you know

how they see judith butler gender is

just the performance

that's that's that's what all of it

comes down to that's why a lot of the

people attacking me come from the that

lgbt movement

um believe it or not it's not women

it's not women

it's that movement right and the reason

they do it is because i think i make

them insecure in their own

lgbt

identity

i just proved that

uh

there is a real it's real thing to be a

you can actually be a straight man it's

not just a inauthentic performance

and that that can somehow be compatible

with an entire aesthetic

it's not like a limitation in regards to

aesthetics

it's not somehow lesser or less in tune

with the truth of being

and this fake universalism of every

color every possible

whatever this fake deterritorialization

of sexuality

you believe heterosexuality is the

default form absolutely i do i think

there are

exceptions but yes there is of course

it's the main

of course

i think there is a natural

heterosexuality

uh and i think

i think believe it or not i think most

lgbt ideologists do not believe

heterosexuality is real i think they

think

it's uh

it's a fake thing and that everyone

would be just like them if that's what

the queer theorists believe we're

queering things is heteronormativity

i think they um

they

kind of

for them that queering is just some

bizarro world

where things are kind of slanted

aesthetically right things are different

somehow this is not the only world

there's another kind of

uh reality that's why people say dugan

is a queer theorist because dugan is

also kind of

saying a similar thing but i think the

difference is that dugan actually does

it and they just

claim this right

but for me they end up doing the

opposite which is just

only um

saying only this specific let's say

anglo-saxon

liberal world is real there's no other

civilization no other culture no other

phenomenal

horizon of being right

any alternate phenomenal horizon for

them is query

right

uh

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but i think that's wrong

that's wrong

this notion of clearing whatever is

implies

implies a privileging of

a

specific

let's say anglo-saxon culture

as the only kind in the whole world

but this is a kind of esoteric topic

anyway guys

oh man

sit back what is so funny

tell me what's funny what's the joke

what am i missing as far as the joke is

concerned go ahead

i i don't actually think you're laughing

if you're laughing you're just

experiencing

your own stupidity in real time what is

so funny

oh you're talking about something else

make dugan required reading

ah okay i see i bet

okay

all right

yeah dugan is the true true uh true uh

queer theorist

uh he's more real than he's there of the

fake ones they are the header they're

the ones who believe in

this dominant whatever

uh thank you so much chris moral i

appreciate you

reproduce yourself in terms of human

life

you turn that upside down very true

thank you so much chris marla i

appreciate you man

anyway guys

by the way guys discord

i'll got

a i gotta be more organized okay stop

this laziness

stop this laziness stop this uh

mellow attitude you all got

gotta act as an army okay we need

hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

people

involved

anyway guys

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