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that was all neat feat and i didn't even know what to expect

he he's sleeping now but he told me to check out that video

like as an introduction to the show

and i didn't know what to expect what an incredible fucking video i was watching it in real time just like you guys big round of applause for neat feat guys what a fucking crazy cool video man

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and i'm going to share the reddit now and we're going to quickly check the reddit before we get into this discussion with a

socialism doumb left

but let's check out the redit

and i'm going to link the redits guys the read it so far has one hundred and forty members whether it's hostile or positive i will be checking that redit

so be sure if you want to say anything that you want to you know get my attention at the beginning of every infrared show i'm going to be checking this readit no matter what ok

positive or negative will cover it off you do something n s f w you get banned obviously but i

yeah all right guys i want to preempttively

m apologize i'm running on like two hours of sleep

and um

you know

h so i if i'm a little bit sluggish you know in terms of like

my performance or whatever not in not with solsmd onle and i can mak excusive for that but in terms of like ah how this this h level of hype of the stream just please forgive me guys i'm running on a really short amount of sleep and ah

it's pretty tough i just got out of the shower so that's why we have these

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let's quickly go through this read it and then get right into it with socialsm done left but as we all know in the beginning of every show we're going to check the read it it's just a

it's an honorary custom

so socia's none left i hope you can permit us this time

i promise it's not going to take that long probably not

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wow one hundred forty members guys what an incredible thing let me spam that ready again in case you guys didn't get the link that's also where you're going to find need feets video why don't you guys upvote that video by need feet it really deserves

two hundred five hundred upvoats what an incredible fucking videomn

thank you so much needs fet i'm going to d m him thanking him

after the stream is over i can't believe ah

i can't believe infrared has fans not fans but has fucking

people associated with who are on that focking level men

i might play that video every focon stream now you know

um but anyway let's check out this right in

which way i love this dude c p u c p usa twenty thirty six in the chat guys c p usa twenty thirty six in the chat guys we're not about this bullshit anymore we're not about this fucking billy dewing around southism we're communist with a capital ce that's what we are you understand communist with a capital ce we're not about this democratic socialism stuff we're communist with a capital c and we have

a vision for the future c p usa twenty thirty six guys c p us c twenty thirty six is in the chat

anywhere

this is the neat video by neat by the way infrared is rising i want you guys all to come and up for this video

what an incredible video

congratulate the jimmy dor shot up i did hear about this in the discord and i think i watched it

but i want to give you guys the opportunity big shout out to real politics for doing this by the way

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real politics infrared is the new voice for anti establishment we're debating socialism done left tonight at

eastern time

tune in to see what infrared is of all about tune in infrared tonight

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eight

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see that required a little math skill m want your air yeah you're right jimmy stunning those justice dems are total frauds they're just

dams

i want them to give me my money back and stop emailing me and texting me

well you know jason

that's

thank you so much real politics you have no fucking idea how humbling

that is

and if jimpy by chance jimmy doors watching this

you are fucking lungendmn but he's probably not watching it obviously but

you know one likes to hold

one lifestok

thank you so much real politics appreciate it so much

aready seen some funny stuff

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hi i'm vivian and this is tllow exactly whre we got to leave was

it's exactly where we got to lead wasach is going to be a new mean we' got to make like a remix of the song out of the box

out the box

ah sorry i didn't get any sleep okay my voice starts right now

we're going to fuck and make a remix of the song one day don't do it yet guys i don't want you to put effort into do it yet

but

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your next thought sline you're definitely next

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that's more like it but we need a little bit more

now it's getting too fat i was going to say we need a bit more heth

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but it's a little bit fallate

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what does this mean

who the fuck made this dude

this is not true ok

this is this is not true okay

this is absolutely not true

this is the opposite is true i never discovered denim she discovered us guys

this is the opposite of what it's true

she discovered us first ok this is not true at all

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this is the opposite of the truth

denhams

is the one looking out

and seeing infrared because we're the big ones you know guys like what is what is this

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warns against extreme division like us she's based i like her i like her she's based

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appreciate n on i like sora wagon that i think she's really based

but i'm not german myself but ah

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how much time we're

we're super swamp

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we don't like this book jake

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i would otherwise watch this from start to finish but we have to respect socal the left

and his time

so

i'll watch it later

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i was going to in good faith

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little highlight i made for shorttream what is this

check it out it's a lonk you can't stop this you can't de platform this i know it terrifies a lot of you chicken shits

but you can't stop this march

nothing you can do

except sit and watch

sit and watch us conquer the game

sit and watch us conquer

coro

the left

all of you

who want to cancel us and report us

i see

you

i see

you

you personally i see you

i see you in your fear

i see you trembling

i see you in your chicken shit

sham existence

i see you when your cowardice

and i see you

in your shame

all you cocks and nerds in sx pests who are joining the left as an excuse to prey on women i see you for the pathetic usery that you are i see you for what you actually are n what you actually are when no one's looking i see you

when no one's looking

when no one's looking i still see you cause i see you for what you are you're not going to hide any more i'm shining the light on you and you can't stop us

simple as that

simple as that

simples that

osides get away with this

they are racist

yeah

he yeah we saw that guy we banned him

we that's the one guy we banned actually

because he was insulting a member of infrared

and i banned him

for that

i'm not going to tolerate that bullshit i'm just not you will be a band i don't give a fuck cry about it

i just defeatd reaction go watch the go watch our clips of our debates with wash's supporters and you'll see

is my fucker issue with her this is my issue with your definition mangering vosch and you know when you let me speak i'm going to beat you you are demolished you are wrecked i am beating you right now chat witness the downfall of your tight inrete is rising it's an objective fact let's continue let's continue he

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you know dudes of all genders let's read this

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this man gives no fucxs gives no concessions gives no fuck and sats

thank you brother i appreciate this i appreciate you so much man thank you we love youaring

comments like this man

love it absolutely love it

thank you so much ma'am

yeat ude we're not stopping you know like tonight it seems like i'm a little bit low energy

but wait till i get some sleep and we're probably not streaming tomorrow but wait till thursday

you know i saying wait till thursday wait till thursday you know see

thursday is going to be an explosive

actually

i think

there's some plans for thursdayight noce tomorrow go follow me on twitter and ill not and the discord on not tomorrow by the way if you guys don't have access to our discord

ah let me go ahead and invite you now

is our discord link join our discord if you wanta

you know stay in the loop and in a on thursday i don't know for having a shoe

thursday might have a special thing going on

but our next show you can debate us not today because i'm dealing with

i'm talking to sourceals on laf

um let's see

okay

wors the word fascism refers to the primeordial wildern we don't have time but thank you appreciated

infrared for life and nice

our guy made this by the way it's not in on the anon got it from

raul was one of mad this sick video and we already got fuck and destiny

to we got destiney to i think this blog post is made by has

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it was

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alright is anything new

anything else

nope it's it looks like we're about to get right into it with socialism don would laugh

thank you guys so much but let it's refresh one more time

thank you guys so much

appreciate this so much guys

oh man

oh man

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okay

all right so let's invite socialism don lef

and

get the show on the road

the show on the roadll right

calling right now

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waiting room

because i'm in his discord now

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he named his stream debating a tanky troll

i regret naming our youtube video discussion how i o to be more ruthless

he named his stream debating a tanky troll

debating a tanky troll really and i've been so polite with this guy in the d m s

and it seemed like you know we're about to engage in good faith and stuff

and we're going to have a chill conversation

but he seems like he's out for blood honestly he's yeah i'm looking on the discord

debating a tanky troll

what does that mean

i thought we were just going to have a talk

yeah he said it's going to be civil and he named the stream that way

we're going to bring that up

yeah we're going to bring that up

i'm i told him i'm ready i don't know what's the hold up is he's debating a tank you trol

let's see socialism done left

it looks like a vanana

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i'm looking at this is perfect

oh you think that's themochies that i should span shit monkey i'm ready just disclaimer china' is very bad i dislike not trying to defend china well ram i guess the basic take that i would say is like if you were talking about like the u s s r prior to like on nine hundred eighty four right they would never have invaded a muslim majority country

m and so i think that this argument is weak because simply because of the lack of doing something even calling yourself socialist doesn't mean that you aren't a started

do so in the future o

right

let's accept this call

hello hey wouldds up

so i'm looking at your stream and it says debating a tanky troll

it's interesting

yea interesting

it's kind of a different tone than what you know like our exchange to the d m s don't you think

i don't think our d ms has much of tonality to tho but i was being polite right

mmhmm

yeah

are he's showing the evidence on his screen

yeah i mean

exactly

but how is that yabling is that trolling

that's notu i mean i guess if you want to say that cloud chasing and being an idiot for viewers isn't trolling then sure falking idio your cok little bit you call me a fuking idiot want to proceed that way you want to keep calling us names

you won't win this fight i promise you won't win

ok then we won't go that way

so let's not avise not to go that way i'll make you look like a little bitch in frot all your viewers

so let's have something heres nice and what i'm now pivoting right because i'm a weak little bet a boy and i'm pivoting wh are you exactly its exactly the fuck you are so let's get to the substance get to the meat and potatoes what you want to talk about

mmhmm

so we talked about maybe gun control sure anything literally anything anything

t

sure buddy

what's your take on guns

i think you're a little pussy and you're a cock if you're going in public and saying we need to take people's guns that's what i think

you think so yes you think that would be a convincing argument to persuade people on their position about guns like you know actually sos really go i'm actually this streamer online and i talk to this guy called social andl and he's a bea and he's like reforms he's just so no i don't need to convince anybody dude people are not going to give up their falking gs you're not going to give up those on you funking idiot i don't need to convince them through you since i don't need to use you and i don't need to use you i don't need to use you because no one cares about

about you you're the one who's going to fail to take people's guns is the point you don't live in a you live in america or no

of course my dud ok so you live in america then you should know better you're not going to get this under control you're not going to take people's guns and even but all this is assuming you're by it in any way you don't have any power socialism done left how are you going to actually seize people's gunsjust because you abstractly think it's a good idea doesn't mean you have the material means to realize this good idea and that's really the problem with empiricism in general now is it now is it because all you want

all you do is presumably you want to change people to believe what you believe right because right now almost nobody's revolutionary first of all first of all i didn't say anything about revolution i didn't see a goddamn thing about revolution right now you're making youk

yes i am a thyankee

oh so you're a non revolution yeah you're for you know do you know revolution means it means it's revolution isn't something you convince people towards revolution is something that emerges objectively building a minimer is objective building a movement and recognizing the inevitability of revolution a different things right building a neman recognizing the inevitability of a rec a revolution is a one thing raj here revolution i've got a small weak little soy boy like grain i don't understand here so it's the

wh'ch the what

well just what's the garage

what garage

well you said the revolution emerges from something right so what does it emerge from

i said revolutions are objective they're not something you voluntarily convince people to do they arise a specific moments of some i think a revolution could happen in a country where one hundred percent of people oppose socialism

like a socialist revolution would win

not right now probably not what are you asking right now no we're talking in a country where one hundred percent of people hate socialist yeah when you focus on superficiallys i think people don't have a sense of what the meaning of socialism is thanks to stupid establishment like and you i just see you thats this questions to coxan establishment little beaches like you who deceive them you want to be hostile popssi aggressive a little pussy don't fuk and talk to me that way little boy don't talk to me like that little

llowboy

wait i mean now you've got me a little heated like some bloods going to my cheeks call me need to do that you better need a boy this era of passive aggressivey aggressive rug fuck and cat oh this is listen you got eighty viewers

nice you got thirty case subscribers eighty viewers i got do how does it feel

getting a little bit kind of likeing this

and we have this like all the time oh yesae you can't debate me on anything substantive you can't debate me anything substantive you began this interaction by calling me names i didn't call you any names you called me a fucking idiot you started the tone of this anyone who wants to call me crazy i don't care i am crazy you want to be crazy i'll be crazy too i think it's fucking crazy that you began our fucking encounter by calling me fucking names how about that

that's a really good point i think that one thing that's a sign of being the bigger man is being able to take an insult and move on from i'm not going to take an insult a i'm sick of you massive aggressive bread to mother fuckers you're going to know to put some respect on us us tankies you're not going to have your little fucking insulting remarks i'm a fucking human being you talk to me like a human being i'm going beastmde on your bit ch asz how about that

so you think that this is how normal humans talk like when i don't you fok you talk call me a fuking idiot in real life i slap that fucking smile right p your dum as face call me a fucking idian real life i'll slap that dumbes smile off your fucking face hundred dollars

forty two cents you like oh i don't have that money but i'm going to go be smooth on your ask you think that's how it works

i listen listen you clearly sheltered in iolate you known how to respect people as your fucking problem you never got your fucking as beat is your fucking problem you think you could just disrespect people call them idiots out of wel are you admitting that you got your assbeat and that's why you are the way you are

i thing you need an as beating my friend you need that awakening i don't need that awakening you do

wait so you got your ask you want to debate about substance so you want to dialy dell you around the point i ne you know i'm smarter than you are more well read than you and more educated and more knowledgeable than you and you want to keep dilly delling around the fucking point because you know i'm going to fuk you up you want to get to the point or no you want to keep talking about my demeanor and my ch really good point so i asked you a question right how are you going to do a socialist revolution a country where one hundred percent of people don't your fd your question is fladed i'm not going to voluntarily initiate a revolution

i'm talking about clarifying the objective contradictions as they actually exist in reality for example a measure of that is the fact that the barrier to entry to recognizing there's a contradiction between the establishment and the people does not require any marxist or marxism or marxism leninism whatsoever therefore it's a sign it's something objective in actual reality

so you think the fact maoxist leninist want to clarify the real movement is the real movement the realmentment and the real existing struggle is what marxist leninists want to clarify not create their own from scratch premised on the basis of let's all do a revolution that's not fucking revolutions happen do you have anything else to say my friend i think the way you're teeparing that mike would really ye keep relling

wlling away from the point because i just ft your point up i just fukn right the fw with you i wt the fucking th with you and you want to do doway from the fucking point how about that and i am taking you viewers by the way i am taking your viewers one way or another i am more entertaining than you like me better than they like you even if they're not willing to admit it now i'm simply more entertaining than you and i better content than you you want to keep talking about nothing you want to g

back to substance and you en bch if you want to cut me off you have to be the alphamil you're not an alphamiar little b by you're not going to cut me off in a debate so if you want to speak over me if you want to speak over me when i'm trying to explain a point you better have the fuck and bass to back it up you don't you little crock so set the fuck up and let me speak when you have this discussion otherwise you're not going to win this game of dominance you're not going to win this

name of dominans little boy you're not you know i wasn't trying to cut you off i was trying to agree right you know you wre't i was trying to explain my point like i was trying to explain my point and you keep cutting me off

i was just trying to agree that i think it's much more gertaining right like do you prefer to watch like everthing you to get college lecture nocause you but look a get to the point get to the pint i'm not he on the not you i'm not here to exchange niceties with you i'm not here to exchange niceties with you n you want to set the tone of who's going to destroy who and don't worry i'm going to eat you for fucking breakfast i'm going to destroy you so let's get to the substantive points to prove that

so you said that the fact that people haven't read marxism leninism and they still participate revolutions is proof that it's objective it'sll yes it'sll proof it's proof yes it's proof that revolutions are not supremised by the subjective will from marxist leninist to initiate revolutions yes even though i'm a marxist leninist it doesn't mean i think it's my subjective will to want a revolution that's actually responsible for the ones that happen in actual reality that was

my fucking point and that's how i qualified objectivity you empierss fucking idiot you don't know shit about philosophy i what the fo floor with you about this impirsm business you want to go down the route 't know

ok keep laughing

keep laughing my friend i'm the fucking jokeer i laugh more than you

and you sound like him is the difference though you sound like a fucking high pitched joker laugh as your fucking problem

i honestly think no no i honestly think n how does anyone listen to his meing goy me this is who let this listen to this is whoion let lit and i think you could on ironically pivot to doing something like german and in like this voice like the scene energy get to the point to the point i want to destroy you in front of your viewers get to the point i want to destroy you in front of your viewers get to the point i've been destroying one every substantive point i want more points i want to throw more meat to my fucking chat more destroy

of your points go on go ahead

what do you have to say ok

sure so the mere fact that people don't have to be marxist leninists to participate in a revolution doesn't prove that revolutions don't in part or in whole come from the beliefs of said people you don't think believes objectve you don't think beliefs are objective there's an objectivity of beliefs because you're an empiricist fucking to you just thins you think the only objective things actually are substantive objects that are outside of humanity i think humanity is itself something object

and human beliefs also have an objectivity as well they're part of objective reality beliefs are part of objective reality this is why anglo saxon empiricism and liberalism is on the decline because you have metaphysics from the seventeenth century that is completely it's completely fucking dissolving and crumbling and people like you are the ones who are going crazy over it i just sound crazy because i'm reflecting that fact upon you go ahead

yes so if you agree that opinions are objective and that the opinions of the people objectively determine which way revolution will go and don't you agree that you need to change people's minds to igno because changing people's minds because people's minds and people's so called opinions are not premised by their consciousness does also things like the unconscious and the on think you can be unconscious is indexed b i ma serial reality material relations of production he it's not it's not a matter

fucking consciousness you're fucking it's not a matter of intellectuals debating in the battlefield of ideas there's unconscious forces that exist in reality it to sayology was unconscious so why are you talking about why do you think you think persuading the masses the same as making you look like a cook on stream me talking to you touce is not the same as persuading the masses the masses let men't comt me off fking cut me off

shut the fuk up shut the fock up and let me speak i don't hear what you're saying i don't know w you're saying it for the audience can't hear let me finish my fucking point for example the masters w are watching this are not paying attention to the surface level consciousness and rationality points the focusing on the fact that you look like a little sor bridch and i'm dominating you and i have even within this realm of rational discussion my points are better than

every fucking point you're raising i'm demolishing and knocking down and i have the fucking demeanor and personality to show for it that's what the masses see the side of conscious reason and facts and empirical data they also see the profoundly unconscious aspects and that's whats cox don't fucking understand you don't understand that just because the subjective is part of objectivity and human belief is part of the objective w

that doesn't mean that belief premises what itself is is not premised by what people believe is something profoundly unconscious in addition to being conscious that's actually a really good point so since we agree that the unconsciousness can be changed by propaganda and persuasion it cannot voluntarily be changed because that presupposes that psupposes a guy like me occupies a

position of anunciation that is outside of the popular unconscious i cannot pretend like i'm outside of the popular unconscious because i'm just as much delivered to it you know i i coulddividual can do really i need something to do like this happened to me i was de beating this one really weird not get to the point i want to get to the fucking point sixteen twenty minutes right and his whole stick was that india hadn't been like colonized

and he would like talk on end on end on he'd like if you simply look at this document and hejust go on and on this guy is the same stick but slightly stupider because he just hasn't even read history

he's jus talking about how much of a gorilla brein he is what are you talking about what the funct does anything you have to say have to do with the train of thought and conversation as it's been developing go on explain how it's similar

all right so you don't think that some conscious can ever be changed

the unconscious does change but it cannot be changed from a cannot be changed in a voluntearistic way no because you are just as much delivered to the you are just as much immersed and you are just as much bewildened to that those unconscious forces as any one else so you're not a fucking scientist with a lab coat who's going to manipulate people's feelings and ideas outside of them that's not how it fucking works no it's not

okay so what can change it

propaganda can like the soviet you are still thinking in terms of soviet propaganda soviet propaganda does not merely change what people believes it participates in a common discursive space of meaning in which peopleslies in which people's beliefs are actively suspended that's the fucking difference or you're too stupid to understand what i'm saying i thought on'm the gouerrilla brain aren't you you have a fucking books your profile

picture that stream of words didn't make sense to you you academic educated guy that stream of words didn't make sense to you w would make sense to anyone who was actually educated and not a fucking poser going on the internet and all it all this internet bush it is is about confidence but the difference with me my friend is i know what i'm talking about and that's why you fucking people fear me

i am truly

fearing you

you do so you' know you i can detect your fear by the way behind your attempt to laugh and be smug and shit i do detect the fear in your voice i do detect the fear in your voice we so it's possible not only to detect the subconscious but to change it i didn't say anything about the subcscious you fuckan idiot i detect your fear and i didn't say anything about changing it voluntarily you think fear is conscious i'm being myself and you fear me we are not argue that fear is a fully conscious yes it is but i didn't say anything

that that your fear that i'm detecting when i detect that is not the same as detecting the popular unconscious when i detect that is not the same as detecting the popular unconscious it's not the fucking same thing but you keep trying to get with these gotchas and i keeking you and fking you and fkn you what you have to say to really respond to anything i've said what do you have to say

at this point it's probably

to my benefit

so i don't fuck a diver what

i detect the fear behind your laughter you're not really laughing a little coug you're not really laughing little cok you're pretending to laugh you which i see the aggression i see your aggression was real i see your aggression you're not a man listen little boy listen little boy first try got it all the way he keep talking keep talking keep talking little boy keep talking little boy keep talking

it took a while talking little boy you still the chat with me so talking to a fucking chat you know as though they can hear you like we've got a whole what's he talks about hail master sleeved i you me he's the master i'm the sleeve i got a collar right you dreaming service on this you is that what's going on a is you muted me more and more more bac me i can see that it's

me he muted me what a pussy he muted me he's such a fucking pussy he muted me because he doesn't want to fucking viewers to hear want his viewers to hear this kind of he doesn't e didn't fucking he didn't fucking he doesn't want to fucking viewers to hear me he doesn't want his fucking viewers to hear what i have to say because they know i'm destroying him every time i destroy him guys he ts me so his viewers don't hear how i'm destroying each and

every one of his fucking points what a disgusting ugly coock

wait i'm ugly now i thought you are fucking ugly you look disgusting and ugly

wen i thought you were dominating me though do you think that it's ok to dominate ugly people

i don't give a fuck you're an ugly soul you i see the ugliness of your soul on your face i see the ugliness of your inner being on your face

what you see the uglist of my inner being yeah on your face you're an ugly person you're an ugly fucking disgusting gremlin person

you make me sick to my stomach you disgusting cok instead of having a fucking conversation one to one like a man you immediately begin it trying to call me a fucking idiot you disgusting cock

and you lose you lose you try to be aggressive and i beat you at this game

and i beat you at the game of rational debate too i beat you at both

mhm yeah you think

do you think that you proved that persuasion is irrelevant revolution in this conversation do you think that you affectively like i don't know my channels growing at a much more rapid pace than yours so persuading persuading i had twenty viewers last week i have one hundred sixty right now i had two hundred fifty yesterday persuading socialism cocked left socialism cock left this is actually a really good point i agree that

popularity is the only thing which determines truth which is why i support democracy right and i'm sure that you was a tank youer yeah but here's a thing here's a thing popular and electoral process no no electoral democracying happy to believe in a democracy listen no no no you since you understand anything about philosophy can you chat hear me right now can you chat hear me right now

can they since you don't know anything about philosophy first of all if one says that popularity is a measure of truth that doesn't mean that truth is premised by popularity if one says that if one says that popularity attests to truth it doesn't mean the truth is premised by the popularity that's why democracy is on the fucking decline that's why chinese democracy is superior to liberal democracy your ang

ango saxon liberal democracy couldn't fight cover it it can't deal with what's going on in texas it's down the fucking dumpster

and you're bedhard about it calling yourself a socialist instead of learning from the real most successful socialist civilization that exists now why do you pretend to be a socialist in front of your viewers when you're a fucking anglo saxon racist who spits venom and lies in slander upon the most successful and thriving socialist civilization in the world is it because china is not ruled by anglo saxon white people like yourself

uhhuh no you nailed it my dude

yeah you want to respond to that point or no

i think keep laughing you fucking stumblinggic is not particularly strong are you and ains the physican that you need to have people actually believe in socialism to get a socialist revolution ok but first we have to give sense to what socialism is and what infrared does is we give sense to the fact that socialism is no longer something going to be monopolized by a bunch of coks when you're a socialist you're not a fucking cok you

somebody who carries themselves as a fucking man how about that if you're a man let's say

you're not a little bitch like you a little couck socialism is something that is imbued with popular sense it relates to the people's instincts in the people's wisdom not fucking urbanized elites like you in they'ir fucking institutionalized cushioned fucking institutions talking about fact based politics evidence based politics what a couck do you actually think that the dead empirical remrks called the dead empirical object

of empiricism is enough to satisfy the objective wealth of human meaning you think human meaning is reducible to fucking factords is that what you think with your seventeenth century outdated metaphysics let's go down that royal road my friend that's actually a really good point which model of scientific like realism or ti realism do you support

i'm just really interested i don't care about your fucking cock debate about scientific realism or answer realism and iutdk it is i'm just wondering which correctly updated scientific dilectrical materialism or the materialisect materialism is a modern twenty first century position yes i do i think it's more contemporary than the seventeenth century position

sweet so you think i hold a seventeenth century yes i dot yes i dot my medical position i'm just really wonder seventeenth century anglo saxon metaphysics is your fucking position i thing that gives rise to empiricism in the fuck in first place like you think like philosophers are like oh yes i'm a seventeenth century anglo saxon empiris did i say that they were philosophers in the seventeenth century who gave expression to a new metaphysical trend which later which empiricism was a part of yes

yes and pucism was reflection of that so instrumentalism arose out of that right what you yeah about is all of that bullssm and then arose from that was like popper and then more modern yeah cox like popar all reals cox like popper

culture like hopper popper and howes open society doing by the way how's papa's open society doing by the way just asking a question

i mean how's it doing like it's still ex relative to china china still around you little cock yeah relative to china how's the open society doing it's actually really good point while we're here that's really good point gets to the point that the tension of like muslims and because it's a fucking lie how about that it's a lie that there's a genocide going on it's not true as to whether there's the tention as to whether the's the tension china claims that it's dealing with some anti

terrorism issues and it's it's detaining it's justfied to in turn business is the fucking point fking i'm sorry which country do you live in again and united states like

so do you think it's ok to call it british imperialism despite not living there yes i do yes i fucking you brita because america has inherited the british imperialism america britain is not the fucking center britain is not the center of anglo saxon impiriism america is britain is america's dog don't get a fucking twisted you fucking idiot or did you me me from your chat do you want them to hear that am i muted forro your chat

i just want to find the clip i've real i've been looking i'm going to be honest on this

and i've been looking for this for like three or four minutes is this clip of alex jones saying that i'm the weird one i'm the chipanz you in the tree and i can't fucking find it

you know where this clip is and i keep keep being a smug mocking little couck but on every substantive point i beat you you can't win so you have to worm your way out with little snide remarks you're not funny the age of irony is over the twenty twenties will belong to the real o g s not the fucking fake irony hipster coucks

twenty tens little bitch go back to your fucking hipster bullshit a smog irony attitude you like a fucking romantic english aristocrat i'm so much above the world i'm so much about the little cock you little bitch the twenty twenties is about realness the twenty twenties is about realness the twenty tens is what it was up your alley i'm actually really happy about all this right i think this is really cute i oh yeah let me ask you question son that

you think you look good right now you're wining yes god i would any time

you think you think you're doing well right now and you're winning do you think that

s hear my channel yes or no it's between you and me in this encounter with this encounter between you and me this encounter between you and you know it's going to be really funny what you tube and i get people to stam guerrilla beams of the commentsuse it's really yeah yeah and who gains from this you re me who's going to gain you or me ultimately who's going to gain more in relative terms you get i don't know twenty subs because they want to watch the guerrilla man no no no not twenty my friend not

twenty my friend a few days ago it was a what seven hundred subs no i'm met if i'm alwost a thousand now if not a thousand right now don't fucking get it twisted a fucking we cod gro was at what five hundred

wait you inunti like

is that a thing you're into

like bd m yeah you see you see how this anti human pieces shit so this anti human pieces shit does this from the very beginning he didn't want to have a human conversation he just wanted to stuking objectify me he wanted to fuckan objectify me because he thinks he's above humanity and he objectifies humans as little fucking creatures of his own wh you're not above me to look down on me and speak to me in his fucking way you're in the fucking cage with a gorilla now my friend you're no position to be

standing above in a fucking tower looking down on the gorilla fucking cage with them right now fk out of you got to say that my friend in this debate ok well thank you for coming out again it was a real so you surrender you surrender ok you surrender

so everyone this is a you surrender do i accept your surrender

i accept your surrender

um

and another one on the belt another cock on my belt another one on my belt he talks about being a another one on the beltan

another one on the falc

another one on the belt another one on the belt

i'm looking at your fucking you tube and my people are in your chat my people are spamming your chat how does it feel my people are spamming your chat the level's good here my people are spamming your chad pretty good my people are spamming your chat remember whoever leaves worse listen my people are spamming your chat right now how does it feel

i i

see how this anpti human pieces should seize us guys this is how he sees the working class and how he sees humanity he mocks them in this way as though he's above us this little fucking gremlin look at how he mocks humanity look at how he fucking laughs as though he's in a position of power this fucking bill gates pigmy bill gates little fucking boy look at this fucking guy who thinks he's above humanity look at him look at him laugh like a fucking disgusting

ugly grmley and you wantan ugly boy by the way i so ugly and disgusting by the way look at him fucking laugh look at him fucking laugh this is what he looks this is how these fucking metropolitan fake leftists look down upon the american people think and the working people this is how they're laughing at the people in texas right nowly they're laughing at everybody who's not educated in the ivy leagues they're laughing at everybody who's not college educated they're laughing at everybody who doesn't

s can talk like them they're laughing at everybody who doesn't sound like a fucking bill gates nerd this is their war against the american people and this is their war against the working class witness it here this is how they see themselves to find

this is how they see themselves he actually thinks he's in a position of superiority over me and look at him he's fucking trembling because my chat is dominating his chat my fucking chat is spamming his chat and i see my chat in his chat who's dominating who i'm dominating him and he's pretending to be above me he's pretending to be he's pretending to be above me look at him this is how this disgusting anti human urt how this disgusting anti human

pieces shit kind of looks down on humanity this is how this disgusting anti human piece of shitor looks down on humanity lif this is how this disgusting anti human piece of shit looks down on humanity little what a pathetic piece of shit and they talk about what a pathetic fucking loser and i'm not going to fuk and leave this i'm not going to fok and leave this i'm only going to accept your surrender i'm not going to fuck this it's not going to fuckle have been belily this is not going

to be lectures there's nothing you can fucking to about it and you discuss and you w an ugly piece of shipss there's nothing you can funk on about it that nothing at all you can fucking about it you can try to mute any all you want you can i try to mute me all the all you want i think gat his chat right now guys great his funking chat spam in his chadttle bit little cause you surrender right you surrender pretty f you surrender you surrender you

surrender you surrender you little cock i the

the monkeys yeah yeah exactly look ho we're dominating his chat do you see our power guyse fucking power how we're dominating him how we're dominating him how we're fucking dominating him this is our power and i gave him the olive branch i was trying to be a human being and he called me a fucking idiot was this is our fucking happens i tried to be a fucking human being now i got to be a gorilla

because he wants to be a smug pitch and we're dominating him we're absolutely fucking dominating him do not stop putting the pressure on him guys do not stop in the thick of it do not spam stop spamming his chat keep spamming his fucking chat all night i'll be here all night to keep spamming his fucking chat keep spamming his fucking chat we're not losing this war we're not losing this war we're not losing this war keep spamming his fucking chat

don't fucking stop he don't keep the pressure of this shat little bitch you little fucking cock don't fucking don't fucking stop keeping the pressure up keep the fucking pressure up this little bitch this little fucking bitch w i wanted to have a human conversation with him and he wanted to be a smug little bitch and he fucking lost this entire encounter what a fucking cock keep spamming his fucking chat keep spamming his fucking chat infrared is rising we're never going to give up

we're never going to give up keep keep spamming his fucking chat keep spamming his fucking chat keep fucking spamming his chat keep spamming his fucking chat keep samming his fucking chat how does it feel the words like to be dominated do righte n a little for little fucking the cock the whole logic we will keep this up all night you man we aren't going to stop we aren't going to stop meaning people

we are more powerful than you simply more a powerful then you how does it make you feel you little cock you little bitch how does it fucking make you feel how does it make you feel to be the weaker person in this encounter how does it feel to be dominated despite going at it for a year and i'm only in it for a few months or how does a fuck and feel how does a fucking feel you pussy and he's ning be on his dream keep the pressure up on his guys to keep the pressure up on him guys

keep the fucking pressure up on him guys keep the pressure upttim guys you mean you talking lose restreamse you fucking cock i think i have fking lose you're dominated you're absolutely dominated you're going to surrender and we're going to be here all night so you surrender you're going to be here all night us we're going to keep here all night look at this little clown cock giggle and laugh trying to hide the fear he feels in his stomach seeing all of our

gouerrillas seeing all of our fucking gerrillas let's get some sons in there towo guys give him some goerrillas and some sons give him some gorillas and some sons absolutely dominated shine the light on this fucking gramlin shine the light on this disgusting bridgeroll is fucking gremlin who didn't want to treat me as a human fucking being shine the light on him with the power of the solar sun shine the light on him with the power of the sun is little ca shine the light

light on him with sons and gouerrillas to the power of gouerrillas in the shining light of suns we're not going to stop until you're done he's still in my fucking discord chat and he still has commuted we're not going to see we're absolutely not going to stop thre you'm not going to stop absolutely not going to stop keep reading this little bit keep ad in this fucking chat there's nothing he can do about it he absolutely conceded lost this fucking debate

keep spamming his fucking chat he was going so jus fucking disrespect force

nxt

being so fucking disrespectful he's not going to have any foking stream pretty we are conquering his dream we are conquering his stream our stream is your stream your stream belongs to us i think your stream belongs to us believe so you aren't going to have you stream today like smug asshole it belongs to us your stream belongs to us you little bitch little fucking co for your fucking stream

belongs to us you're fucking stream belongs to us and you'r fucking stream belongs to us you're fucking stream belong to us that you're fucking stream you would be belongs to us you're fucking stream belongs to us your fucking stream belongs to us you're going to un mute me we're going to keep dominating dominating you there's nothing you can fucking do about it your stream belongs to us your stream

belongs to us you little disgusting cock and all of your fucking fans can't help you because your fans aren't as high energy is me

he left he finally left he finally left i accept your surrenderking beat leftking left and we beat him be fucking left and we beat him

so everyone come back in the chat leave his chat fock this guy he focking laugh let me tell you guys something let me tell you guys something

let me tell you guys something

let me tell you guys something

i was trying to be civil

i was trying to have a human conversation but he wanted to test me

and you know what happens when people test me you know what happens when people try to fuk con test me you know when people try to fuk con test my patients it's enough for me to have to look at this ugly disgusting cock and hear his disgusting voice it's enough for me to have to fuck and do that but the idea that he's going to call me a fucking idiot in disrespect me i'm not going to let it fucking happen because in real life these people don't talk to me like that in real life these people

eople don't talk to me like that but they're doing it now why because he's a fucking thirty k streamer and he thinks his socialism his left ism it gives him the right to look down on people who don't sound like fucking bill gates nerds don't fucking get it twisted you little bit socialism done left there is nothing you can do as far as beating me in a game of insult is concerned you want to startsuling me and i'm going to slit your fucking shit metaphor

y and guess what

and guess what

i still beat you when it came to rational debate

i still beat him

when it came to rational debate

isn't that pathetic

isn't that focking pathetic

he's a nerd and all he has to pride himself is rational debate all the fucking has to pride himself

is rational debate and discussion and i just wanted to have that but he wanted to play the dirty game when you play the dirty game you're going to get the gorilla you're going to get the fucking gorilla when you play dirty games because i'm better at playing dirty games than you are so you better come here with a fucking rational nice discussion in mind or you're going to get it you're going to get it for someone like me you're going to get the fucking beast smowed out you're going to get the fucking beast smowed out you little cock and i see

e the fear in your fucking eyes and i see you look like you're about to cry and you should fuck and cry you should go to bed and feel bad for disrespecting people online who are trying to be respectful and nice to you you little bitch

unfucking believable

unfucking believable

unfucking believable guerrillas and sons in the chat

go wills and sons in the check

he didn't want to have he didn't have to be conquered he didn't have to be conquered

we could have made this

a nice polite conversation where we agreed to disagree at the end of it

we could have made this a nice polite conversation where we agreed to disagree at the end of it but what happened

he wanted to test me

because he thinks his arrogance is stronger than raw humanity

he thinks his arrogance hiding behind his institutions hiding behind his colleges hiding behind his bill gates is stronger than the pure primal force of humanity and who won in that encounter hah who won in that encounter

we could have had a civil debate and no one had to lose this no one had to lose we could have laid out our ideas we could have had a constructive civil conversation which is what i thought we were going to have but what did socialism dunleff choose what did he fualking choose instead

what did he choose instead what did he choose instead he chose the path of violence is what he chose he chose the path of force

he chose the path of trying to rile me up and stir me up and anger me and that's exactly what he fulking got

it's exactly what he fucking got and because of that now it was in a civil constructive dialogue we both walk away dignified and we both walk away agreeing to disagree this time i absolutely dominated him no mercy no mercy at all no mercy at all

i will not show mercy i will not show mercy to people acting like this i will not show mercy to the arrogant i will not show mercy to these nerds who think they can test me

you want to talk to me as a human being i'll treat you as a human being you want to treat me inhuman i'll treat you like i'm a gorilla

god damn cock

and i began this trying to be nice

asking why do you call me a tanky troll and our d m it seemed like we're going to have a nice civil could discussion

you chose a bad you chose the bad route and even though some little bitch in my discord leaked at which i don't even care because it's not even private that still doesn't give you the right not to act human who cares if my intention was to steal your viewers or whatever i don't give a fuck i was still willing to have a civil conversation with you yes my intention was to have a civil conversation with you to win over a lot of your fucking viewers that was my fucking intention

still doesn't fucking give you the right to disrespect me why because i'm cloud chasing we're all in this for cloud chasing including you all of this is about growth i do want to reach a wider fucking audience unlike you i don't monetize this shit yet that's the fucking difference between us but that's ok there's nothing wrong with monetizing the whole fucking point

the whole focking point

exactly

this disgusting fuck

and you know why he had one hundred fifty viewers

because of you that chat because of you

the gorillas in the chack

that was us

that was us

not him

not his viewers bus

that's our power

that's our power

never forget that

never forget that

never forget that

i'm a power hungry nationalist

i am power hungry

i'm hungry for power

the people are hungry for power my chad is hungry for power we are hungry for power we want power

we're sick of weakness we want power we want the people to be empowered because power is what people in texas falkon needed now isn't it

power is what the people need

power is what they need

power moves mountains

power overcomes obstacles

power defeats enemies

power is what we want

i'm not hiding that

disgusting fuck

disgusting fock

cock socialism done left

focking beach

you fucking beach

i'm in their discord

i fuck and conquer this little pussy

and his fans are too weak to stop us

look at his fans

look at his weak fans

look at his weak fans talking about us in the discord

cox

i win

you are nothing

nothing compared to infrareds community

i done

dominated your streamer

we dominated yours

stream ah

we are the future

ich

bunch of fucking cocks

bunch of cocks

mother foxs

talk shit behind a fucking back like this

wants to disrespect me like that

see the fucking wrath of our chack when you disrespect me

see the fucking wrath of our chat

see the fucking wrath of our chat

see the fucking wrath of our chat

he did on ironically started

he did i'm looking at our discord now

i'm seeing

because now i have you know what

enough negativity

because guess what guys

guess what

we're a thousand sobs now

one thousand subs

one thousand sbs

one thousand subs

one thousand subs

let me

is anyone available

gone

one thousand subs

anyone available

com to

i need my people to come if they're available

i want to talk to my people

okay

come on for thirty minutes ok i

show channel

come on the show channel

okay

what's up iszrael

to if you turn on cam i can probably catchu it

oh just a second

um

let me

s capture

window capcher at source

ad new source

hang on

whatever with the discord

okay

done

and then

we're going to

begin

oh my god evans year too what's up evan man i have fokenk forever

ya okay inevitable

bro evan i'm so i'm so glad you're here man

so fuck'ing glad you're here

it was nothing it was nothing

o we move on one

is nothing it's nothing

shiitmn

i had no fucking idea was going to go like that

no fuckan idea

ya it's

hey luk

yeah was some man i

it was fast it was fast lightning

shit man you know you see how you see how it works man you know i actually thought i was going to go into that

having like a respectful conversation with this guy

it's fucking incredible

yeah i thought the preparations you were we were talking about topics and

ins to research on polon you then

and i then he just like

oh man guys

what have

guys but let's let's let's end as negativity

we had a thousand simes

thousand f hundd as thauland sobs

thousand subs

thousand guerrillas and sons of the jag guys one thousand sbs

one fking thousand sobs

stop the raid stuff it's against the us

whatever is it against the twisch to u s or the you tube one i don't know

i think you only you can't you can only not make fake accounts

so lame

to have these tus

you don't want to raise this should be raate

you shouldn't have the right to rein

te i was encouraging it but they were already doing it before i told them to

you know

i was just saying keep up the pressure

whatever

thank

i know he's such a little bitchh he's going to go

he's going to go report us

falcing guy

honestly guys i couldn't control my temper i just blew up i'm sorry guys

i don't think i can either in this case dude is like

i can't fuck in

i can't deal with people like that you know like i was trying to

have such a civil ca like i'm not good at

the game of thrones

unique type of like snarky snark you know likes passive aggressive like

oh

well in that case you like i don't i'm not good at that you know i just

you know what i mean

yeah

i mean the that guys just want you

i mean the whole

whole thing is just his attempt to make fun of us

and um well he he knew

go ahead no

ust said he's terribly dishonest

yeah i but you know it's the reason is because they know

we're going to beat them when if they actually like take us seriously

so they have to pretend like we're not serious from the very outset

because they know we fucking will defeat them

they know we defeat

you know mmhmm

mmhmm

chads

you always see his ha you always see har saying that he loses his schol easily but um

two

we surviv was there i would probably a

joseus he did the us

he did

and it's like

given our community guys and just look at our discord even though we don't even police our discord at all pretty much

given the tone we've set

why should we ever have to lower ourselves

to being on the level of these cocks you know why should we ever have to lower ourselves to that

we should never have to do that

you know

i

it's like

that era is over man it's over it's twenty twenty one

the eera of this smug irony bullshit

he is just fucking over

they fuck and love you as ra and they are saying they want to see you destroy someone

well unlike how so far i'm

i'm not as uh

so let's just say i'm not so used to

r de sroying someone in a debase whele and

andg

we are

um at least onhen

talking

when speaking writing is a little better but some

uh whll i get angry i don't

talk as well as us so it's not it's not going to be a sponsor and another issue is the language maybe i will one day but i'm it's it's going to be

accidental

yeah yeah yeah language barrier that's that's a in iss

you know i think this is like the only time our community

like evans been on stream before

but

he's and he hasn't been on stream like

with this is civic community you know what i mean

the uh ya ya thats wted do

the growth has betten that chat is phenomenal everybody

everybody comments on the chats to positive food

oh man you have no idea the power of aur ched man it's it's fucky fun i mean you do have an idea

yes forking in

it is a phenomenon itself

i didn't listen i was i was thinking that when

there's still people in of from us in his chat

but i'm looking at his his icreen now

but i'm

when i was debating him i was thinking he has a huge chat

and they're all fucking like mocking me and shit you know

but on

i looked the all

i looked at the fucking i looked at the screen

and it's all gorillas and sons

it's also gerrillas and sons and there's still gorillas and sons in his jack

right now the'ss

just look at his ratho

i think home

the the

like you say the viewers not coounts for ightos are misleading because i feel like athletes

half if n more of the viewer of him are actually our support

orders

but when it was just starting he has like what

we have one hundred fifty one hundred think he has like only thirty or like sixty at most yeat a lot of he number when i think some a lot of his viewers like this

he has like thirty times of a present sum

subscriber cont but it has only a third of our viewer cont

yeah it's fucking crazy you know like um

the thing that's crazy is that

he shouldn't have been so disrespectful to me

given that fact like

people probably look at sours and dunlug a all this is the only type of socialism that's out there

then they're going to see a guy like us people like us

and they're going to be it's no fucking competition ay're going to be like this is just simply better

simply better

not some

disavowing you ok guys n i als avowing all rading i'm disavowing all rading

i'm disavowing all rating it's not it's out of my hands

i'm not in control of it

but

i'm disallowing it you know we can't control it we can't control we're not telling you to wa

mm

notlso you notice the one thing that's very

um

very pathetic it starts

like the people like him they

have they triy to portray this image of being this distance empirical evidence based

um debaate her or something h i mean evidence based on socialism how do you call thisse people at the same time like is there is there is there an even

formal logic is there even like empirical evidence they can't even play that game all right like they can't

he have to hide becneerus very

it's almost juvenile

uh sargezum

to say the least i thought this was going to be a lot more tough than it was

i thought i would have to go down that road and point out the inconsistencyes of empiricism and all that kind of stuff

and we didn't even get there

you know we didn't even get there

i

no

n

it's incredible it's incredible

it's incredible the level of disrespect

that results

from this kind of shit you know

mmhmm

i just ask you though like why do people like him have like thirty k views at this point um

hopefully

thousand around the ball as high as

they are

ever going to get

he's just been around for a while you know

he's just been around while

yeah we'll be there no time

you know just

a guy like that can have thirty k views will be there in no time

will absolutely be there no time

and i

i just can't believe

our chat

you know i can't believe the power of our chad

a

while there's a lot of people who want to debate

infrared a bits debate me who are you jack connelly in the fucking discord

what's your name in the discord and what do you want to debate about

you have to give me a topic you want to debate about

and i

you have to tell me discordinate

otherwise shut the fock up it's notop calling me a bitch

and by the way since you called me a bitch you just sent the tone for the debate

so

might want to apologize

or not

up to you

nh

why does everyone disrespect us i mean they know how that's going to end

because they want to learn the hard way it's ok

so there's some

to someone with a doge dog

profile pigging or discord wanter debate

yeah he's not stating his business though i saw him but he's not stating his business

just for five minutes

yeah he's joking dude he's not serious

he's not serious

he's not serious he wants five minutes to debate his platform to end poverty

he's not serious ud

he's not fucking serious

what do you think about trump

he's he was a con you know he was a con a lot of people were con by and it's ok

we're we're past it now you know

live in love learn

yes state your business

you know was powerful you guys e just be walking around your house

youp just be thanked

and sa ands your sof grilltan stons just over gs and ston grillst but that's so

i'll be saying myself gorillas is still in a chat

gt listens list i reallisen sons in the ga sure anbody else feel that

man i'm telling you

it's aver and over again it's so

do not look

i know what you're saying of it it's so powerful it's so powerful tell you

they we all feel it exactly everybody feels it you know everybody feels it

everybody fulking feels

bear at the power of our check to thse bitch as smugfaces are so arrogant to us

and to the people

they're nothing compared to us

north

absolutely falcking off

i i didn't seek like gtting of that debate but when i checked it out like i looked at both of your streams and like when i looked at his stream all i saw was infrared people like wellll grillasre fun

it's plastered on his foking his stream like his screen i'm looking at it now

it's he is crazy

i

i thought he was bigger than us at first but apparently we've grown like we were we domit i looked at his screen while he was while i was like yelling in the mike and shit and i was like it's all us where is this guy's community like he doesn't have a community it's literally all us so pathetic how can you have thirty k soups but

just eight viewers

that's so pathetic what has he done wrong

want a firmly to see what he did wrong listen

you know i don't actually care what people's intentions are i'm one of those guys i don't care what your intention are i just care about how you act

and even though i know he's a slimy ugly piece of shit deep down in his soul

um

if he if he was smart he would have said this

this infrared guy is growing a lot

and he has a super hyperactive chat

and i may have more subs than him

but as i can tell from my own streams i'm kind of dipping off in terms of engagement and i'm not as entertaining as he is

so maybe i shouldn't rit you know maybe i shouldn't antagonize him

and call him an idiot

and insult

the foking show

maybe i should pretend to be nice and civil i don't care if people want to pretend to be nice you can pretend and i'll i'll take it you know

but

when you

when you actually insult me

in public

i don't know what you expect

i just don't

look at general v c what's in general v c

what do you want me to look at in general v c

look what do you want me to look at

in general v c who's it who's there

let me read

there's

in my missing something i don't see anyone

there are two goeneral

yes

no i know he's he's telling me to look at the big one but

what would it which one is you looking for

come on show requests

i'm serious you know you're not making the case that you're serious when you talk like this

he's going to come on our show and say the nend word i'm not having it

i'm not having it

okay

no me to bring him in simp lord with

i don't know i don't trust him but whatever

general v c

what about general v c i don't understand

and he's the only reason he had as much viewers as he did

it's us

cs

for

ok i'm going to briefly bring this gy

simpler to state your business what's going on

yo yo yo can you hear me yeah five minutes the school

alright

well actually i'm also streaming too like would you want to put my stream up on your

thing the way you did it with the other guy which is stdream called

m you go into youtube and type in

pauty beast

like this is actually my second streaming channel because my first one got banned

i can give you the link if you want

okay

and if i did if i detect that you're not serious i'm going to keek you out by the way i promise i promise i'm serious ok

what's up

of coirse i'm trying to

i'm trying to

turn off my stream hold up let me i mean as an

ok i had your voice on in the background i turned it off all right o

now i am kind of funny on my scream because

i'm laying down with my shirt off but i'm serious but you're not you're not putting me on you don't have to

but i'm ok so

here's my idea about poverty right

a pretty simple simple take i guess but i wonder i wonder if you think this is a good idea or a bad idea

go ahead

all right so so capitalis capitalism is a system where um

it does

might

it's ok at producing wealth for a while

but the problem with it is

over time the wealth in the money goes up to the top right if you if you view it as like a pyramid like slowly the wealth goes to the top

it's and it gets it gets sucked up from the bottom to the top and then that causes poverty

and people being poor and homeless at the bottom you would probably

you would probably agree with that right

that there's polarization in capitalism but there's a wealth inequality

yeah yeah wealth wealth inequality but pretty and pretty much the way it works is at the top the money and the wealth

flows to the top

it goes from the bottom up to the top

i if you viewed it as like a pyramid would you uh uh would you agree with that i don't know i don't know i mean

it's where' is the what's the original wealth that goes to the top co well i guess in the society as the wealth is generated usually the rich people get more of it and you know my my my solution is

you'd probably agree with this tax the fuck out of the rich and then

no not necessarily not necessarily i don't actually think taxes are the main mechanism well my idea if i was if i was emperor of america what i would do is i'd probably put heavy taxes on the rich like let's say the top ten per cent wealthy people or even the top twenty per cent and then

give at least some u b i

like use that to fund a decent u b i program for the bottom

because if you did this

as the money flows up to the top you would be taking money from the top bringing it back down to the bottom

and would kind of be like a big circle of money flow

and i think

that

that in my opinion is probably the

the most commonsense way to

help the poor and try to end poverty

and i can't think of other ways to do it beyond that i mean there probably are other ways but i think that's like probably the smartest way would you be would you do you like that idea or that system

or if you if you had an idea

or if you try to solve poverty

what would be your ideas and then so i guess first comment on my idea and then say your ideas i think when you look at china's poverty alleviation programs because poverty if you're thinking like let's say you're the communist party and you're dealing with this question of poverty

i think i would actually focus on poverty in its

particular

well first of all there's a lot of i don't know like before you could tackle poverty

you need some kind of fundamental transformation in the way

in property relations like how thes have in china

i don't think you can target poverty first and i don't actually think

another thing is like it's like ho'm going to tell not as rude

as as i told him

but it's like what i'm going to tell socialism done left

you can have these fine ideas

but

you need a popular movement

capable of realizing them

and

that fighting poverty is is not enough to rally the enthusiasm and passion a even though it's a noble goal it is simply not enough to rally the enthusiasm and and

support of millions and millions of people to do that

you need a deeper cause that relates

to the

real

striving of the era

and the objective contradiction between the masses and the

elites

so i guess the answer your question is that the

i don't consider the means of realizing policies

demodically the word demodic

by the word the rude word is demos like democracy right demondic so it's popular

the demonic premises

of realizing policies are inexorably tied

to to

to the policies it's not something like you can separate them

alright cool and i also i got one more thing i want to say before i go

that's

s it's not any anything bad so

i'm awful

i actually plan on going into politics one day soon probably maybe

and i

salt

i guess i'll say this from the standpot if i was emperor of america so here i have an idea that i think

would pretty much

and racism

and i'm not going to say anything he says i sort of got i'm not going to but ok so

um

m my idea is

um

like so

well what do you think about it like

the whole reason racism is a thing and has power is because

people think

which is true on some level

people think that you're born into your race

and and the race that you're born and you can't change it that's

yours until you die right like obviously right

o he so so so here's the thing but if you view it in this way well i

i believe in god so i think like when we die we probably

some type of

some type of afterlife we go to but

if if we

just just looking at our bodies though

like if you if you are to view your children as like a continuation of yourself

because when you think about it

when you have a child

you you get it you get you get someone pregnant

and then the baby comes out that baby

is like

you can view it as almost an extension of your bile machine

that you are because i view i view the body as just like a biological machine that our spirits are connected to

so if you view your body as having a certain race

and then you have a child

and that child's like an extension of your body almost because it's got like your d n a in it and it's an extension

and so i realized the wait a second

if we view our child as part of as sort of like being an extension of us

or continuation of us

thean that would mean

you can change your race

beause if a black eye has sex with a white woman

that he basically fifty percent of his d n a white

and if you did that three generations in a row

you wouldn't you would make a baby that's like ninety percent white

so really

you can actually take a black person and turn him into a white person over three generations

just by him having sex with white women

so it's like

that's actually a way

you can take people and change their race would you would you well i'm not would you i'll treat your proposal as if it's serious

i

that's actually you're drawing a conclusion that cannot be supported by the premise

you cannot say that

that someone's race changes you know i it's like it's you you made a little bit of a leap

right

and then the second thing that i would say is that the

regarding this issue of the racial issues

you're you are approaching it is the emperor of america and if you're emperor of america there's

a lot of wild things you can think of but at the end of the day

this is an issue of the different

a

different peoples who have different

striving for sovereignty and independence in relation to one another

i

and it's as simple as that

uh you know it uh

the issue is not

some technocratic issue of

some abstract thing racism is always concrete is what i'm trying to say racism isn't an abstract problem it's a concrete reality

i

it's not there's this abstract issue of races that there's a specific reality of

how white america relates to black america

and

that that contradiction cannot be dealt with

from above

and i totally never i never want to interrupt you

so if you want to continue i'm sorry i'm sorry for interrupting you but i n't want to say something

but you can continue if you want you want to continue

go ahead

ok so what i was going to say was

um

i kind of i mean i guess sometimes i fantasize what would i do if i was emperor of america to fix things

and uh so

what i explained about this

racial idea is

so if i was emperor of america what i would do is create something i would create something i call the

the voluntary racial choice program

and it'll be like a breeding program like a government run breeding but i don't m where i don't think race is a matter of genetics and all these things and breeding and all these things you say

it it's simply uh not my view that race

a

is an issue of people's

ancestry and their descent

after all a lot of black people in the united states have a considerable degree of white ancestry and it hasn't

and not only is the

their racial division in america

not lessened by that fact it's a it's almost like i

it's even uh

heightened you know

so

i didn't so i don't see the relevance of your point

well i guess you don't really have to call it race then but let's say

people like the look of a certain race but i don't think that's actually essential whatsoever it's and actually to

add to that point

oftentimes

um

people who are look for example black

can be portrayed and can be on

can be what is the word

identified what is the word they can be the

they can be

ah

they can s they can like uh

there they can be expressed as white in a sense like

often they can be coated the quard i'm looking for is coated they can be coated as white

alright alright

m

and there actually is

i promise you'll like this third one too it's not about race it's a

but i will finish the race just my last thoughts on it which is

i actually

so i'll be honest i'm kind of like a

in cell i guess you could say i'm a white in cell but i

i

i use the word race but really i'm not i'm i wouldn't consider myself a racist i'd consider myself a lookist as in

like

there's chads in all races there like i've seen pictures of chad indians

chad asians who's really good looking asians and so

so i guess what i could say is my the idea behind my breeding program would be like

people would volunteer into it it would be all voluntary i've already addressed the breeding program given ft a what i'm saying is it would be based on looks like if a gy doesn't matter if it's based on looks or not it doesn't address the fundamental point in the issue of intention and is that

the program is a stupid idea it's completely ok got it reality well it would be voluntary but i'm done with the race idea now now

well i got to get my i probably i swear to god you'll love this is not five minutes sir point you said it was going to be five minutes it's i know i did but i try to cerate fivek i think i think i've been fun

but

ok this is about

of space and planet

like do you want to

i swear to god you'll like this kick

you can kick me off if you want

but i think you'll like it

i'm not going to like it goodbye i don't want to talk about it no no no no

yeah i swear to god you'll like it

okay ah you're being a little bit rud i'm gon to disconnect you bye bye

ok he's gone

i mean that was

kind of but at least

he wasn't you guys want to see what ising s like i think it's ans f w but i don't if you look at his stream i thought it was a still

and

can i show this can you guys can go look at a stream

pew die beasts

well i already saw that you sawre

yeah sorry ma'n

it's on youtube on twit

yes your

i don't i don't know we mean he

don't be that

he doesn't really seem serious

okay i see

i see a thumnail on the humpage if that's enough

i wonder i wonder if we like actually got some fans from fortchun or something when you know when they were like rating us

i'm sure we do

sure we do

we are going to have to deal with this issue of trolls because has is easily a triggered guy

hads has a bad temper

so have

we're going to have tools who want to get a round me up

but i can tell when someones strolling and not

so trolls you got to be good at this you know

i guy was' really that

but i' still can address them any

you know

mmhmm um

this i just got a comment on a fucking boss vidio

you would probably benefit from reading a bit of twentieth century and contemporary philosophy of language

you have very strange res it takes on word meaning and definition

ok analytic ca

sorry i w insul

you know

m no i don't

no i don't have a strange what is aggressive and i suppose it's strange to you

and i have a problem with it being aggressive the

well

nothing wrong with that

only strange compared to your anglo saxon standards

it's very common sense for continental philosophy and especially asian philosophy and whatever

well i think it's just common sense in general to be honest usually want to explain this to people you know

i think it's common sense too

i think it's common sense too

round two if you're not a cout

the niko sam wants round to but the nicko sam was already disgraced and you're not taking up

this celebration stream

of one case ofbsan eco sam

did you guys find nico sam the mos boring fock ever was

wasn't he the most fucking boring guy who's ever come on here

um a gun

he was the guy who was accusing me of anti semitism

he was so bll that guy

you was go annoying to we yeah he was really annoying to was so boring dude and there's nothing worse than being boring almost

you know

it's like he was so fucking boring dude he was so fucking boring

he would he would not shut p dude he would

what i mean by that is like

i feel like

i do ramble a lot but i always feel like i'm trying to crash into a point

you know

and some people just dilly dally

talking about shit that has nothing to do with any point

was he the mt le thinko guy who kept like blaming think go on the famines in china russia that guys still active in our discord he's always getting bullied by everyone in the discord

time will answer

dude he was yeah ok that that guy was pissing me off

good i swear to god

he was like ket repeating the same thing

see here's the thing about

the trolls like him and them they're going to be like now that they realize my stick where it's like i'm not going to

surrender they're going to be a ah well i just have to stay here

and then if he leaves will concede

but

leaving isn't the only fucking point the point is

who was willing to address whose points

if i've addressed every point you ever brought up

and you can't bring up any actually new ones

and you have and you don't respond to my rebuttals you lose it doesn't matter if i leave first or not

but social not that was more psychological like i really wanted him to know

he was being dominated

someone linked the discord

ask on the chart

sure

yahin to thisquare

ws to ged ies

i got

i had much higher expectations for the socialism done left uh debate i didn't see all of it but just seeing the conclusion of it it seems i thoughtog i figured it would be like a respectful uh discussion and you were ge in to kind of like philosophy a little bit but

oh you know what

we forgot to i forgot to make a thumbnail for the nicko sam debate

oh my god it's already uploaded and everything but i just have to get a good thumb naiw

okay

um

let me hold on let me check

the the

what is this

sure

let me check this

checken the gener halfer is going off on black intersection alley

i don't want to talk

getting a lot of congrass messages thank you guys i can't respond right now but i see your messages thank you so much

y have we appreciate it guys who wouldn't be here without you the only reason why we're here is because we have the strongest and most powerful and most enthusiastic supporters on you tube that's why that's why we're able to debate people like destiny and boss

it's because of you guys

it's literally the only reason

we need another educational screuent for the new people that's true

we're working on it

for

what a disgusting despeickable person

and i was just reading that i was just watching the socialis on left clip

someone sent me oh

yeah

what a disgusting guy

do you want to get the na next person in the queue

it's boswig blade and mister bamboozle who's mister bamboozle

you click late was your first

i'd love to come in and show and analyze bread tube a bit

you know what i want i want to rug one jews how is that i'm saying right

to

uh roud wse yea

we' one sure

i want to stream where meet where we can talk about that

n do it later i would like little bit more

prep for us yeh

same

low bit more pres

yeah

we definitely need a stream about that

yeah that would be a very base

dream

the is a reading list

on not yet debate denner but last dinner so about us

where's denams

i would i debate or

she's not even online

we talk aout

that's pathetic dude socialsm donb left only has eightyight viewers on twitch

i thought twiches where he had all these

the fox

why did discord just disconnect

hello

yeah

to see i mak you up discurd just disconnected

there sthing for you guys to

n just it's just you but just for two seconds

it's because my ram i need new ram

okay

so what happened

nothing

oh yeahyeah that guy i just debated

fok what's his name again socialism on life

not

he he

you know what this might be better i can pop out wow

sory

let me remove this

i got to capture its a stream because

yeah

window capture at source

new source instead

ing with the reading li this we get that ask so often maybe you should do that in the future

we will

we ll

did someone leave

no no one left

i think we're all here

um

yeah

rere sizing it

then the growth of the last five days has been insane

even even like being a member of the show i'm like taken like taken away by

trust me man it's if there's anyone who is shocked the most

actually us are probably just as shocked as me

yeah

yup

you you've been on a roller coaster though man b destiny holy cow

yeah i've pretty much i' pretty much like

thrown my entire identity on the line for this show

you know

i'm not getting hired by fulking firms and shit

for this

it's either this or it's all or nothing for me

i only care about infrared and i know if we get band it still you know

was still grown

nothing can stop it for nothing can stop us

yeah absolutely nothing

now i can

would use the discord privately

wow

uh a w what's up

we probably can't have an in depth discussion but if you want to come on

we can just casually talk

yeah because i mean i'm probably going to end the stream in like thirty

and it's

there are like three people in the queue i think

what is happening to my flocking

background

hold on

because twitches open and it's i have to exit out of

some stuff

exiting out a firefox

yes exit out please please exit out it's not exiting out

wek

you

firefox please exit house

but

at this point i can barely catch trap with the chraat

i know do we can bad and panana din demolished thosan the left

wh don't we check that out actually

i

minate

one of these

finally i can use that

ok let's check out the bad andpanoa thing

bad emperinada

st

he caught he put it in quotations debating

clearly it was a buddy are you live right now

of course

great

so could you firstly could you please introduce yourself

it is kind of boring

dude s t l set up fucking soks

he has the infinite fractal set up and he's so stupid he doesn't know how to fucking exit out of stream labs

what an amazon stream

someone just join our chat

um

no

i just heard a noie so

tanky should be lined up and shot

good luck

by i thought i thought we were the authoritarian ones

very interesting what these libertarian socialists have to say

to this is like a sign of impotence you know

it's completely a sign of impotence completely

it's like the was it the walsh fem who says

george oill kill people like us or somethy yeah he was he was

hod a crazy he was getting a little crazy nar them you i love when we have debaters on like aren

and h nicole sam ya

because it shows people just how like

you could just say sh like normal things

and they'll randomly accuse you of anti semitism and being a fascist

oh my god do we never even like

even talk about anything related to that and theyll ask you like

like thet n try to like

call you a nazi in

into semi it's crazy

yeah

it's almost like they feel like being anti semites and they take a lot of mental

labor to like

prevent that

antonio wants to come on antonio was an old villain but now he's a cool guy

i

well bos didn't bosh a blay said he wants to come up we can i

he does

i just click show q

and make sure settings

are

well let me tell boswick blade the same thing

we just tell him

i will let you on but please this is just going to be a casual chat

celebrating one cave euss

so we

cans talk about

complex analysis

a right he's here

what's up antonio

what's up

hell

how you doing ma'm

her mouths up

me and antonio used to hate each other

i never hated you

so saw your debate heh

position

yeah i don't expect you were very impressed by

no definitely was not uh

funny thing is uh i saw the other guys dream as well and then uh he just kind of kept on rambling about china and stuff and uh

pretty drab stuff pretty boring stuff even he like subverts his own arguments in which he was like well yeah you can't really say anything

like you make an argument like that

yeah i mean

wh yeah

it's just been

flucking roller coaster you know

and honestly i kind of im pissed because

i feel like

we could have had a better stream today if we didn't

we never had like

debated him in

debated him in the first place like

you know here's what i'mm like

we've already got wasoh and destiny and they're huge streamers and it's like

after that

do i really need a guy like socialism don laft because i feel like i'm helping him more than he is helping me now

you know

n

yeah we gave him claou

yeah is it's like i was so shocked when i saw her chat on him but it's like

i don't know i feel like we've just had too many

i

i wonder if our streams chill out more

what will happen you know

but

yeah dude

f logan are and you walke up to one cakse sobs

that's how fast we're growg

woke up

jenif

oh uh what's the jennifer

yo uh alex

didn't were she supposed to be sleeping

i know i know yea

for i am right now

do it

i to watch the debate

although it was kind of a waste of time

i i honestly

wants toust

take a break tomorrow but

something tells me i'll stream at like eight p m or something

because thursday maybe i'll nounce this now

i was invited via twitter by a guy on twitch to go on

his show on thursday

maybe actually maybe you guys can hold a stream

without me we tomorrow or thursday thursday

me forre on thursday

bef on thursdaying the screen

because you need a because

's you need a like a

somewhat good computer not a a great computer but

oh yeah that's true i've never tried i never tried like running a string with this before

yeah i can

i reme wen esra did it

w where di this we go

as far as i need to go

oll

see later as well

um

you know i

i when i saw ezra to it

his fucking globe

was grinding my gear so much as thatl looks terrible my fault was absolutely my fault because i somethm are the images and i saw the wrong pick

i sent him the wrong pake

and i didn't even realize i thought it was just the same as usual we need more views on that video that was a really cool video

n i'm going to leak it in the chat right now

oh my god dude one case of

clicking our channel

i never

never said we get your so fast wheres it time to have an interview with ca that would be so cool

calib

yeah i don't i've been e mailing him

and we're scheduling something

we're putting something up now that's correct here

okay

recor

bs re all these all these

o i was going to say like all these goals that we've been achieving in like the last five days i thought were like far off like end game goals you know like uh like debating these people uh

like the unifying the takey spear

uh all like it seems like we're hitting all these like great milestones

like

somehow like like right now

it's crazy

i think socialisms don left is so petty he's going to like mean me

but that's going to make us go viral maybe

he's going to met me on that

i

it's only going to help us yeah i think it's only going to help you aren't we already a mean

people are cret of us right now

ya i i going that attract attentions to the video

and we

this se his slop

s nothing neats video

hyped me up so much because that was my first time viewing it too because he told me

myself not to watch it until

i played in the beginning of stream

i think we should play that video everypoc

strength

you do' have to check the read it o i haven't i haven't checked it yet

we'll have to look at that

we need to like set up our stream so we can all view i think

i don't want to do that you you have to pay stream labs

and they have a set up where they allow you to have multiple

people viewing the same thing at once

but it's like fifteen a month or

something

falcking ridiculous

the s kind of a thoughts

tell thout tell foss line infrared is that he's on infrared's radar

tell him he's on a forreds radar we're coming

w is that guy even i have no idea of breadu i don't know all these people

was thut on

he's a guy from the surfce and he made a fucking hit piece against caleb

and

he's

yeah he's

pretty much

here can on the stand

another boring the idel of destiny these people have met

but nsity is something else

just going to talk shit like they do

thank god infrared is around

thank god in for it is bron to put these people in their place

mam that areath

do

you know what you know why i like doing this

because before we made this channel

i always thought to myself like

i wish something like this existed

you know

yeah exact i feel that exact conplusion

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hello to everyone

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hoy added a sick amot to our service

can you believe i thought that was the fucking kick w you guy

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ah that that's the point that's the point

i want to make sure every one

remembers

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when are we haveing you for a debate

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when when when are you going to be on for debate

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it don't know the

there's

that goic a robbert

not does that

wanted for a very long time to talk with me about mexican politics but

well i suppose we have never had the opportunity we don't know we if you probably happened online

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how's your sleep in doing hor because you're always on

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well i remember all that

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yeah

my earch here is a little behind your earch so

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anyway so the wor don't work

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how's the weather how's the weather because i

i saw what happened in texas i was like what

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i know it's not probably not snowing in my skon is it

of course no

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um in the city in the capital city there is no

o you should see how it is here it's fucking crazy

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mexico technically belongs to i mean texas technically belongs to mexico right so it's your your oil anyway

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i see you later antonio

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wow tonight got heated guys

and i got super heated even like why do these people piss me off more than destiny like i couldn't be mad at dest

desty got mad at me when i was like why you mad like why you f mad

yeah yeah yeah you were yeah

i didn't expect that near the

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it i feel like

i know destiny was like being low energy to be like snarky and like sarcastic but i feel like he inavertally just gave us like a free platform and just like like you know

present ourselves to a very wide audience

dude

i feel like destiny's chat doesn't hate me as much as oshes did

well definitely not definitely not

i mean after the bost debate like people started like saying crazy stuff about us

but i think yeah i definitely not

you know what's sad s t l is going to upload that debate

where he mutes me and i'm not allowed to say any points

and he cuts me off

because he's such a little fucking rat

we're going to post ours though

but even then

he's using his thirty k subs to expose give us it more exposure

what a cock

yeah it's only going to help us

only going to help us

like dude

you have thirty k right now

they're going to see us and they're going to be interested in us

just driving our exponential i

yeah

older se by the way

what's that

howld is socked on left

i don't know

how olll is socked on laft

probably my age right

it looks like

seventeen

acted like

fourteen

i feel like

no way i feel like i feel like he looks an x a lot younger than he is even though he's probably in his twenti like us

i feel like that's just like his his a static you know guys ho image gover our discord and look at our original content

do

do that

that's so relevant to the discussion we had the other day with that nico guy

dude what is with this denim stuff this is a wrong fucking photo ok

this photo is very incorrect

it's the other way around

make its make it so

she's the one looking at the globe of infrared

that's from blade morother

plad runner twenty four

when you're a democratic socialist and you have brought up the jewish question unprompted

what is up with that dude what like

what the fuck is where does that come from i don't understand

yeah yeah that's the mem i was looking at earlier i didn't even notice the denims one of first until i scrolled up a little bit

dude army i don't know you com in unbeatable we have onunbeatable foot

thk

completely on beeatle arees stetic

you know our community everything is like on a can entirely different level you know it's like we're coming from the future and they're still stuck in like the twenty ten

yeah dude

after this last like week the online left is never going to be the same again we like it's you know the entire ball is just

started rolling now

yeah dude

the only fucking

the only threat

is honestly sleep

that's the only thing in my way to sleep

imagine if i could just get eight hours and that's it

instead of having to spend twelve hours in bed and getting five

you know just like imagine

imagine my like the art the fucking power level

if i could just get eight hours of sleep

wake up at fucking eight am

fop tou

on fucking beatable power love

energy would be through the roof it already is so imagine what it what it would be

look at this idiot

tanks will get kicked out of the left now which is great work

thank you

yeah but the thing is it's not how it works because the left isn't actually a club

it's a fucking history

and you're behind on that history dude

you're just going to be outmoded we're going to become the left and you're going to be left behind

you're going to be the left behind

you understand

that's the only left you're going to fucking have is the left behind

being a hater in our chat is the most brave thing you can fucking do

take valrian rout dude but i don't have time to make tea

i don't i don't doubt it though

i have this i

medical

stuff

c b d t h c star

i might take it tonight oh

might just

might just take it tonight

there sre get some sleep

i to tomorrow

yes

i have law school shit i got to do tomorrow i got to do like a paper and fuck it and

test i got some quiz i got to take

then next week is i don't know i don't know

do it's a it's amazing you'reb to keep up with law school at the at the like at this like at this pace of like streaming and stuff that's pretty's like the amazing and

do law schools fucking bullshit the only problem that law school gives me is those fucking papers

everything else walking pice easy find im at papers do yeah i know those foking citations and shit

oh my god

not i don't even want to go down this and it just turned into

the sid ig shedn all of it the whole thing forck it

fortel

this might be my last semester it might just

finish this semester in law

take the master's degree and then

just

just go all in on

walking in for

oh

will see

we'll see

celea romano

later

thanks sir thanks for being one of us thanks for being our chet

isn't drug use not prohibited in marxist thought

i don't know dude

it's for medicinal purposes

so

i don't see why i would be prohibited

even mart knew what

marging the morning

yeah i was going to say it is like it's not like a list of ten commitments you know obviously use your own common sense for being a decent person but it's not like

and you know i seems more like a personal kind of

we meic has the best comment so far

you guys are all dumb folk marxist lenis your nations fail every time

yeah dude that's why america is doing so much better than china and vietnam right now

you're right nico you're right round applause for nico in the chat

you whatan a smart guy

nw

but that's a that's a very bold thing to say considering china's

i

blading growth

debating tanky troll

he did terribly

this infrared guy he's been making the round still can't tell if he's a troll

mhmm

oh you know what

oh there's no time

there's some people i was wondering

someone sent a photo

i shot mysehof

cakrl zan

no way

no

somebody dud thank you

thank you appreciate that is i got a twitter jam someone sent carls a message

ask him to come on

appreciate oh let's do let's sto let's st

i've always loved like reading his trigter feeed and checking out soaking still

it's can nver be overstated tankies are cringe

well

i don't know i'm going to post this

i'm not advocating anyone rad this tweet but i'm just posting it if anyone wants to see it

just wondering do you th youre is i think is actually unique and with others that reminds if not on the oper tucts with different work

couldn't they say or

u

all right or nazy

explain

uresthetics realist in the twenty first century way how we like all right in nazis all right in nazis use fucking vapor way

ninja master dude there's nothing like our aesthetic

literally nothing is like our aesthetic dude nothing

fucking

jesus

that's just stupid to do it i'm sorry that's just stupi

ll yes such a dumb comment

what a dumb thing to say

how is our athetic like nazis

it's really not

and i feel like i feel like we're becoming the new burning brose we get all these like just like the's out of nowhere accusations that

to have like a connection to our image or content

gee is a really smart guy actually not being sarcastic he goes this is going to be like trump

oh hey he's a troll no one takes him seriously then he wins yes exactly

it's literally exactly like that

it's literally so falking on point it's not even funny that's exactly what's falking at

like literally exact

that's what they don't realize when they like to laugh at us and stuff that they don't realize what's going on beneath their nose

very true jenny the nazis are the ones who ripped off the soviet union

and even then it didn't look as i wll return in a moment

hey we got a comment on the voice video tankees are fashes

t's look at this guy's profile

he's follows boogi

in the amazing eight years

during

no

eventually they're going to realize that we're not like you know the more polite you know people who would be affected by those kinds of claims like call us conservatives whatever you want to call us

completely

superfluous completely and utterly superfluous

i got a comment to let read this comment

i'm already ashamed i fellt for the click bit you're an enabler of authoritarian whatever form it takes

you just preferre to be in a red flag

so you can pretend you've got the will of the people behind you

mmhmm

do send it as a script to wholu plus and even have a dystopian t v show abot it

you're intentionally loud noxious to hide the fact that your debate skills are minimal actually

my loudness and obnoxiousness is the fact

that people like vosh and people like sources and the left think they're going to out

out a gorilla me and they're not so i'm going to yellance and be obnoxious

so i can get my fucking points across because otherwise no one's going to take me seriously

just because of the fact that i don't sound like a nerd one

in to we don't have as much cloud

so shut the fuss off you lose

making noise basic gccusations insults are all keystones of failure in a debate

bu fokinghu

you have two years so you can listen to how it went down and you can judge

who failed and who didn't

pretty clear voh faeld

all you did was make personal attacks no it's not all i did i brought up a lot of other things he didn't respond to

great straw man in clear being just fucking selective about it

you are giving you're just saying it's a straw man because you're assuming you you can respond to me but you can't julius ca

lastly childs reclaim victory

because i did win

can't wait to have this deleted

i don't delete comments so

yeah

can this guy be a bigger doo s bag

it's word salad

dud they're all coping it's all such cope

call

copiu

let me enable the comments because people think i delete comments

in reality

in reality

we just s you tube sometimes makes us review con comments

and sometimes you tube takes down comments altogether and there's nothing we can do about

but let me see

i'm in one minute i can't stand this why are you tink you so cringe

ok we'll le that comments

destroys yeah right thank you andre i'm enabling your content

and rok ninety seven's comments always need to be reviewed

because they're very charged

but i'm enabling all his comments because he's so based

mhm

i love andra

now destroyed bostud why a people coping

dude i've been like we watching that video and like each time i watch it like

he just it's because it just seems more and more clear that he got absolutely demolished and like honestly like

i i i like the uh i i'm kind of i kind of like that it got a bit heated caause like you can feel the passion and the power and the strength and that

in that video like

you know he was just completely crushed

on every point

and also as far as the battle of ethos and patos goes he was completely demolished

vosh was crushed dud he was for

they use more than vapor wave i'm actually surprised you didn't switch sides

the debate style calling cox thinking people take them seriously and are scared

njin masters in my chat

wait me read his comments i missed them but because

your gorilla style

i didn't understand any of the points in the s t l stream lyn watch it and rewind it then

can you actually explain your position in your thoughts or fact

do you think thoughts are actually facts or like reflections

no i said what are you talking about to

what are you talking about and i

dude i' have never seen right wingers who have our style name one right winger who has ir style dude non

so what we call people cox that's just human common sense

maybe the reason there are so many for tchan right wingers is because the barrier to entry so low from just coming right out of reality and just embracing common sense like yeah dude

it is a brutal world yeah there are just some fucking self evident cocks

why should we just deny reality and hide behind political correctness

like we accept reality du to don't hide behind political correctness

and by the way communists have always been like this it's just that america's so called communists have always been cox

in the past

um

decade or two

three

communists have always been like

this you know

they always fuck and sounded like me

in the past

stop for someone else

do you want to have a right wing on

and the show requests

right now

i do't not

where who are they

who are they

who's the right winger

tyro manors in the show q why is he in the show que

he says it's available right now and he wants to discuss lysancherism

again

it's a different dude

new oh okay okay

who was or simer

yeah

ok bring them on

actually sounds kind of interesting

having a that debate with someone from a right wing perspective

sorry for evers for everyone else the queue but

you know

see what he's got to say

where is he

what's up

hello

hello can you hear me yeah i can hear

hey

h i've been i just randoly found your stream i'm actually like super right wing but i've found your stream it's super interesting so far

the one thing i just can't figure out is why you actually believe my thychoism because it seems like

not useful in the real world to me like people use it

to do science do they not

you're right thely don't but i feel like current science is very limited and stagnating

don't you think

well yea have but my understanding is that in china they've been using geneiting to like

change people's

to give them hiv invulnerability

stuff like that so i don't know that was like one really big publicized case thoug right i don't think the

like i don't even know what happened

to that but how does that square with your idea of likes

that's what i'm trying to understand what even if i

gene editing was effective

and i'm very skematical i don't i'm not going to profess

like i know what i'm talking about here

but i am

a bug

i

what that

what they mean by gene editing is they mean dealing with d n a sequences

things like that

d n a wasn't discovered in licencles time you know so

to give you a brief rundown of licen the history of licencalism

liceno developed a very novel form of of

of uh

growing plants basically

and he was in he was he wasn't coming from marx's dogma

he was coming from a very russian tradition that i

that predated

a mooxism

the tradition of um

what's that guy's name

d mementure in something of that

i'm talking about alex

i'm really bad as concern spiral nose i go like two hours a sleep so i have a brain for it

but he was coming from a deeply russian tradition alternative tradition of

biology than what was being consolidated in the west

and

the

established geneticists in the soviet union who are very western yes

they

told lisanco if this is true this overturns all orthodoxies about

about

about what we know about mandelian genetics

and my sinkle sad

so be it

and then lysenco doubled down and basically was like mendellan genetics just bunch of bullshit

you know because it's impractical

metaphysical stuff and lysencle was called the barefoot presence so

peasant so licen go from his perspective

he was dealing with practical reality and then the scientists were telling him from an ivory tower no you can't do that but i sic it was saying

hey i'm

i'm able to grow food this way i am seeing some kind of results

i

so you know

but the battle got super heated within the soviet union

and it kind of became a proxy

for like this big institutional civil war between the more

stalinists

lysenco the barefooted peasant

and the more institutionalized

elements wo who westernized institutionalized

scientists o

yes so i'm getting this to be a sort of an ideological issue yss than a practical well it was both it was both because

the idiological issue was basically that

the stalin period corresponded to the

emergence of an alternative russian

modernity

of rush chertlization

and i

that also means a special russian science sounds tod but i

an alternative view of scientific modernity and what science is and

licincles it wasn't simply about marxism is my point

yeah it was there marxs that aren't thinkos and they're also singos that they're a they are mark

i

well anyway um

licenco a

he had his battle with those people

but when the united states and the soviet union were allied during in world war two

the debate was going over to america and people in america became interested in licencles ideas and there was a huge debate going on in the uus too

but the political climate began to change with the cold war

and and so licinks ideas remained undeveloped is that what i would say

so i thought sinkle was on to something very new

when it came to biology and he just wasn't a lot it wasn't allowed to develop as far as it

should have

i

now we can see that

now we can basically now we can see that the

mendellion genetics is outdated and we can also see with epi genetics that there's

other forms of inheritance it's much more ambiguous now and

in my view when i say a licenk was yeah i don't think licenco had a

you know airtight doctrine i don't think you ever put forward one

i just like to say that he was on to something

and he's been given an unfair rat

in the west

for political

and idiological reasons

i can certainly see that with the cultural hegemony that we have in the u s

and that kind of tone that is set for anything outside of that realm i can certainly see how there'd be a little bit of a

i don't know like slander or however you could say i could see that being at least possible so i understand your point of perspective more th that

yes sir

okay

i think i'm going to get head out of here but it was nice talking to i'm got to g it was such a pleasant conversation my friend even though you're a right winger you're much more pleasant to talk to

you know you'll find that generally the right words will be more pleasant to talk to because they can't we get we get censored more often so anywhere we can get a platform its

that you know i've had that experience you know that you you and you're proving it obviously too but

i have had that experience the you know

right wingers caneerate

pleasant to talk to i really appreciate the

you coming on

and all ight have a good night and you to the have night s

thank you for being polite

wow guys see that

t and many can't have honest open respectful conversation with

when you're on here

hey you know people get away

awareness coming ups the strange tellent at work

can you link the discord for someone in the chach sure compare that to tyromanc or dude

you know why right wingers are so cool is because for all their

disagreements with us

they don't buy institutions you know they're more like they're more independent minded beings and they're skeptical toward

you know

that bill gates funded bullshit

and so they're just more open so even if they don't agree they're going to be more open to alternative ideas

but you' got you got a guy like tyro mancer

who's like an n p c who repeats everything he sees on c n n

and

you can't talk to them you know you can't talk to a guy like tyro mancer because he's like an n p c

and he's in the show que su be suply bring in tyro mancer

i don't know if you bring him on i'm heading out because i want to say before nine i'm

ok i'm not bringing him i'm not trading alex

fucking tireanser it's a really bad deal

um

he wants to redeem himself

probably who's wavy

can these people state their business

who are you wavy

you're in the show queue

i got to end this like in ten minutes i got the stream in ten minutes

so we' got to haveterates here by the way see the same guy as the one in the chat

who's that

ne a master he said auresthetics is nazi

where is he

in the showk youre i think

i think it's the same i don't know i'm not sure

which is name in the showq

ninja master

he's not in the showq though

oh heas he is

yes okay nenja explain how weur nazis

inser

nins are you there

then you go ahead explain how were nazis

i think it's something technical

issues

won't let me on you one say

than

the

yah

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alex haneker

alex what do you think about that mean

this me moon stop i can there's nothing i can do about it i'll just accept it

won't let me on the one se

okay

got it

oh

all this that

with the nazis

things very similar

o

like that

as i was saying with like the cop kind of stuff it's about like the whole macho image

which i don't think is inherently wrong

it's just i think h

when that almost becomes the forefront of

hight

how you're rather than the ideology it's

very similar more like

you're trying to

go first thats and try to wrin people over through athatics rather than through actual ideology

ok fair enough but

you know when they're you're gaging in a debate with someone

there's always two elements at play

there's the

aesthetic one you're talking about and then there's the rational

the ideological one you're talking about right

and i always like to squash the aesthetic one with civil

just saying let's have a civil conversation

that way we can put that one aside and we can just get to the meat and potato

thediological

right

but s d

decided to call me an idiot instead and was being super passive aggressive

so he laid down his uo card of passive aggressiveness and i laid down my exotia

as

gorilla

and

you know obviously mine was superior to his

i don't

the i don't want to begin with

that ugly i mean to me were i've seen that thisre's nasty stuff since

the early twenty tents yeah

right to me that like grilla mode stuff

it just looks the exact same to me

that's not my experience of my experience becomes my experience ok

is that it's not their aesthetic nazis have a very inhuman aesthetic

where they prefer like the more edgy to me like

like knives like cuts like a gorilla to me

is like bass it's like fucking a fist

but nazis like they do the haill hitler thing with their their their arms and shit won't they like to cut

you know if you like to be

very

but there's some way to it but

i mean i mean p pretty much all of them have died now it is except for the ones because they're still sticking on for some reason but i think i think stalinisq i think stalinist the difference been nazi stalinist

stalinists like i mean nazis are

edgy knife people in their their

they also are kind of degenerate

and stalinists are beefy like stalinists are

you know they're hot they're like burly you know like they're they're fucking well

i did not

now

totally do i mean

and also not always

yeah it is true though because i think about it the soviets

the soviets

were the about the motherland they had that beautiful red flag in the nazis had that sasti co right stack in the middle of the flag

and like the nazis are just this edginess they're just this kind of fucking

you know this all i mean they're not you t me get the i'm going to vocalize what i think nazis are like it's almost like this primordial screech

it's like like that's when nazism

sounds to me

but to me sollinism is real like a roar you know what i'm saying

during like the mid twenty tens i mean there's a bunch going on

but i saw a lot of it obviously you had as you ones who would just do the

salutes and stuff like that but there is a large amount of them especially if you like

i mean i'm not sure how long you've been doing this kind of stuff but there was like a

a left people like on a chain stuff like that theres all this kind of stuff

but on h and they would for more of like the kind of a

kind of

smarter static even both sides they don't you know words like oh a the nazis were saying to read marks

the chemists were saying to read like a

a

i forgot who that one

your fair sh ister

kind of

ideological get that they're all about like that kind of a static and also about iproveing yourself so there's many different groups i think it's just more so

there's just a mixture of stuff i

i almost

like that to stk more of the build yourself make yourself better

and bread the other side

but

it's i think maybe i just haven't seen enough of you content

when i see a lot of just like arcing kind of stuff it's like ok now that sounds looks like the

kind of dump side of politics

well i mean politics is inherently dumb it's vulgar well dumb soyle of like

not actually trying to get it u

as you're saying but

i didn't see too much of it and i like that debate i th to fs plan a and plan b plan a is

the pleasantries and plan b is the st unpleasantess you're talking about

and you know

ss the i wanted to go to plan b

i guess i just think a lot of people who cand of go down that road

end up building the systeatic

and the people expected

it' kind of like how destiny you know he built his aesthetic in

that's a what he has to do now likeight

pretty much always so

but once you start building a static you almost have to you

kind of doing the true side people are only going to especially if they don't agree with you they're only going to see that one side

ya ya i know i i don't mind it toog let me tell you something what i think whatot aesthetics

i don't actually think i don't i'm not really creating an image i'm being myself and the image is coming

afterwards you know to me it's not really a

to me let me let me tell you how i think about it

um

i feel like when you have a conversation with someone

you're not an abstract cognito or a ghost in the show

we both human beings

you know i'm a guy

and my person i'm talking to is also human

and you know there's no at there at no point do you enter in the realm of abstraction

where

you know you can just

like there like i'm saying there is

irrational things going on in any human conversation is what i'm trying to say

you know

and i did but i just don't

repress it or pretend it's not there

you know

what won't there

but

you should probably like

yeah there's the plan b but you probably work to get backed up

plan

oy

but but aso ymll streamer as you can see with as deal who cut me off

and he'll mute me

he won'll let me say my peace if i don't speak on his terms

you know you have to understent you idiologically and theoretically i'm coming from a very

very unfamiliar place to these people

and they have an arrogance and dismissiveness even at that level they don't want to hear me out as a human being as a rational human being they don't want to hear me out

what would i could kind of like at

like that when you're mentioning it

when you said that people's

thoughts are objective

would not i said people i said beliefs have objects

part you have aective based on objective things like they're based on realities

they're part of it than reality

the thought that people's beliefs are part of objective reality

okay um

if you have a conception of objectsy that doesn't include

uh believe

your sense of objectivity is incomplete

in my view

by people's opinions you mean like

that it builds towards like

the objective reality that we exist and because like we have to deal with people su part of

if we have an idea of objectivity objecti of reality it must include

people's beliefs and

yeah

that that is the thing that subjective is us as individuals our position of unciation we are subjects

but

you know

we when we were not all part of a hive mind where

my subjectivity is the same as your subjectivity understand what i mean

uh yah

what

all together builds an objective really

yeah objectivity reconciles everything in reality it's what is abk we real

yeah

ok yes for some reason the point that i thought you're getting that when you're talking to him was like you're trying to say on

it almost sounds like you were saying that

objectivity like

of opinion

almost builds re look like

create like if people believe in something

it become like like you almost stup like sound like an essoteror kind of thing where it's like

what you believe becomes real kind of thing

y but it's like

i mean it builds to likeight

borming reality but doesn't like literally make it real

yeah there is a difference between people's beliefs and the reality of those beliefs but all i would say is those beliefs still do have reality

just that

that reality eve

there is religion an excellent example of this

who

religion yeah religious spits exceent examples of this

as something you believe but that ya

and not historically

yeah might not be real but it's like had major effects

yeah yeah

what i mean

okay

oh okay so thatya that makes a bit more sense ya

all right i thought thought ok

well uh

appreciate you coming on

probably got to in a second

yeah

see ter

are guys

about five more minutes and were ending it

now

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oh a m i on the show oh wows uh

orh i was arguing with someone on the on the discal itself put you back

oh no no it's actually i'm very i'm very glad to be talking to you um

i want to talk to you about china actually

i only got five minutes though so can it be within five minutes

sure yeah within five minutes yeah um as my name suggests i'm not really

a communist i don't identify as a communist

i say i am a conservative with a small c but very surprisingly

i admire china because i think

um it's you know it's called

law of patriotism

it's a well run country it's achieved a lot and i actually think it's a it's a model

maeny western countries oh

m not convinced that uh it falls within the parameters of you know

traditional leftism

or marxism i don't really think there are i don't see how you can i mean obviously it's the communist party china

whatever but i don't see how it's substantially commonis

wll what would you say to that

communists are by nature patriot

patriotic

what i would say

okay

i think the western left

and the left that it has existed historically

in places like china and the soviet union

eastern europe even now

lant america

very different

not

so

i would say

uh sorry one second i wanta

i have feedback ps it

yeah i would say

you know

it's

uh i think um

western blaptism

is an extension of

liberals

they

yah i i agree with that

ya i don't disagree with part

but my question would be

i mean for someone like me personally and

i don't know where

uh your

gs fake and all this

for me

um social

conservativesm is

quite important

uh you know i believe in

traditional family unit i believe in uh you know

having law and order etce

and those things uh make me quite inclined to support

you know conservative elements within the west and i feel like western leftists you said

liberals extending to be leftists don't really represent the reason

it seems to me that

you know if you look at

countries like the soviet union for example

they were very heavily inclined towards these things

i

and it seems to me that

that's completely just it's not represented by any

western progressive movement so why should

you know

and members of the work classes wll in the worst care about the salot so why

would they be drawn to any western leftist movement when they completely miss these things out

and the

re they really get you know obsessed over

identsity policics issues which are

a completely

yeah i mean

you know i

in the soviet union in china

in a sense

i don't know i don't want to be put on rick

you know because weele take me ot of context and shitl

but

if what one means by conservatism

is basic groundedness in the human reality

for example i don't know if i would say family unit

but families a part of human real

he right

absolutely there are things

unspeakable things

about us as human beings

that are not up for negotiation

i agree with this

if

if this is conservatism i agree with

like for example

to honor your parents

it's unspeakably you must do it

to you know

mmhmm

m

i think this is basic human common sense if this is conservative

i think all communists have are more or less conservative in one sense

the only thing i would say is that the

eah i agree the western left

is completely disconnected from the working classes and from the sentiments

on the working classes

i would just say two things

two quick things

regarding

regarding the family and regarding the

stability and

they see

livelihood

those calling themselves

official conservatives in the west as well

i think are i

like for example the

the mainstream conservative parties is what i'm thinking of

i think they are

but disguising themselves as conservatives

but in reality

behind it closed doors there with people like jeffrey epstein

so no i actually i completely agree with that i mean i'm i live in the u k for example and

the official conservative party here

supposedly conservative

you're under there watch so many things

have ben passed legislation and reforms which

you would imagine that

the small sea conservtive wll never

ever consider and i suppose i mean america is a little bit different because

the republicans are

such a big

i mean all six in america is completely different but

i see i see i mean and europe is all say many of these supposedly conservative parties are basically just

liberal s

obsess of the free market inmnm i actually take that point

you know and i think people who have a conservative instincts

in their heart

who aren't you know

he's big wig official

conservative parties and spokesman wh i think they're hypocaal

right

but people who have simple human conservative instincts

i think they ultimately just want the world to make sense

you know they just want things to make sense

on and the left

not only neglects this longing

that is within

uh human beings

but it even perversely

i

dwells in the ways in which

reality sense breaks down they like they perversely enjoy

the edginess of on

the exhibitioni ism and shock

of modern culture

i

but my views a little bit more nuanced

regarding regarding this shock this encounter

i believe maybe in a type of communist

conservatism

a

that can endure

that can survive

the challenges posed

to our human sense

by

bym modern culture based

like

it can be

one can

make sense of it and see

and uh be able to uh see how

what it is which

is going to be conserved survives

for example

i'm not sure if

if it's within the realm of the

ah

terms of service that we can go into this discussion so it's kind of unfair

ah for you

but

um

for me for example this is true for l g b

rights

like

i think

as a kind of communist conservative i believe

when one

response to l g b t

with

with hatred and the type of bigotry

one kind of betrays a conservatism of basic decency and respect

and

ultimately respect

for the otherness for these otherness of

human being

so i i don't disagree at all i think you know i i don't know about you per but personally um

aur mano

face ander

i mean i know marx says says that religion is uh

opium of the masses but

i mean you know faith doctrine teaches you to be respectful towards

uh ag sa lease

h the other ness and

you know it's like you shouldn't mistreat them and

mention

you shouldn't be unfair to people arbitrarily

based on

you know those kinds of things so i i the concern

i can see how you're trying to weave that in i ya

mm i relate

oh ya i completely agree i think um

thelady had

relationship between marxism and religion is is complicated

but definitely hundred percent the

faith

is is

part of our humanity in a sense

a

boo

it's i mean it's like it's like uh sorry to interrupt it's like what putin was saying um

uh he was talking about in one of this press conference he was talking about

they used to in the sobet union they used to have this

ook

that they would give to i think to the young pioneers or something like

communist code of principles and morals whatever

and he was pointing out the analogies between that

and biblical

es

i completely agree i completely agree with

i think the rocky relationship

has mostly stemmed from the fact that

after modernity i think religion took on a different meaning

right

and i

it almost took on a uh

the spiritual kernel of religion

was somehow divorced

from the superficial form

and a superficial form began to be exploded

ah

by the official religious institutions for example

and set against the inner longings of the people for basic

h

striving of human dignity

right

i mean for example

in afghanistan

the religious the mullhs in afghanistan

we're using religion

to deny things like women's education

for example

right

and to donn basic human so it was the same in europe

it was the same in europe

ah so

m

i think communism and marxism

in a sense it's atheist

but in another sense it

i believe that the

it preserves the kernel of

authentic belief

and spirituality that is proper to religion i think the atheism thing

is just a way of responding to the modern perversion

village

ya i suppose it's also uh one of the things i can respect about

your brand of marxism lenism is

we're much more uh sensitive to you know

coad throug

uh cultural norms i mean style and for example

during the war

i think it was well known that he allowed

orthodox churches to come back in service because

it was a way to unite the country

and you know that was kind of

essentially tolerated for

west

to the soviet union

um

and i mean you see similar you see all kind of similar things occur in other

you know

uh what you reqll traditional marks of leninist countries

yeah yeah of course um

i it's such a complicated topic you know it's like yeah itss a lill of so many paradoxes

but ultimately the

it's interesting yeah yeah yeah i mean i

what i mean is that you know

the state atheism

almost

was

almost like covering the bases to allow the authentic religious feelings

to survive and flouris

you know wheres today

it almost seems like religion is often debased

for commercial

and

ya

it's i mean that's

yeah that's actually one of the reasons why i've been reading more into

inser traditional leftist why i've been trying to boaden my reading because i feel like

lot of the conservative elements to stay in the west

you know they're not really

stand not really acknowledging the

tomization in the sense and the impact

but

uh you know this crazy neo liberalism and

extremist capitalism has had

on

people's sense of community and you know their their beliefs and stuff i mean

it's it's as if people have been dislocated in a way by the modern system and it's no one's addressing that you know the conservatives supposedly

you were supposed to represent

these old traditional values have just completely abandoned it in favor of the market and then you have

the liberals

suppose it leftt

youo you know

happy to

sit with it

as long as it you know fits their very narrow parameters of

ah

suppose a progressive

you know ideals or whatever so that's why i i'm i'm quite sympathetic to

uh what you thought people would

school time ks or whatever

i'm really glad to hear that man you know

i think uh i do have to go but i think

maybe i'll end it onu a nous

i think the mainstream love

in the west

ah

and and and and both america and the

and the united kingdom

i think they're more interested

in their

this passion of negating

s a society they feel has wronged them personally

and they're more interested in

their bitterness

and

their bitterness at society

then love for the people

you know it seems like they have a type of scorn

for regular ordinary people

so when we say infrared that we want to be capital ce communists

it's not because we're trying to be edgy it's just that we think this capital c communesm means a return to embracing

embracing the people

embracing this sense of love

for

for the people

you know for you

for the for the regular ordinary people who recognize in their wisdom

the necessity that life must go on the sun must

set the dusk and rise

at dawn and it's not always

it's not a

permanent state of excitement and revolution

i

there must be a new normal there must be a new

no

yeah

m

so uh

i think there is maybe a compatibility with small cea conservatism

okay so and capital c communism

you know

okay ya it's a it's an interesting angle uh which

you know i'd never really considered before

number

sure you let me tell you something

i'm sorry

ok please go oh i just want to say you are probably by far one of the best

callers we never had a

i just want to tell you

you're one of the most well thank you most pleasanty complete charts

yeah but i

thank you so much i do have to end this dream now and

because that

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yu

thank you so much for coming on appreciated

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