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what

okay what do you want to debate about

you know shut the [ __ ] up i didn't duck

you for [ __ ] i don't know the [ __ ] you

are

what do you want

well i want to debate um we could debate

strategy uh okay you i think you support

third parties your support um you're

against the squad right yeah

um and you also 100 against the

democrats right yeah

so why would you be against the

democrats if right-to-work laws are

being taken down by democrats

where are they being taken down

all across the cit all across the

country multiple states new york

california

give examples concrete ones

what do you mean examples

first of all who passed who passed right

to work in new york

the republicans passed the right to work

laws when were the republicans in power

in new york again

well no the right-to-work laws were

initially passed by the democrats until

oh oh okay

right so there you go

right

when they were a right-wing party

when were the democrats a right-wing

party there was a party switch

okay so in new york the democrats had

not yet switched and passed the

the right to work laws

you realize that right to work laws are

a republican policy right and the

democrats you just said they were passed

by democrats right before the party

switch

do you understand the alignment no you

know what year it was

do you understand the alignment when

linda b johnson said that uh when he

could pass the poverty act

i what what is the date in which the the

right to work law was repealed in new

york

which law

the right to work law when was it

repealed in new york

i don't know

why would i know the exact date can you

give me examples of democrats repealing

the right to work law i'm not denying it

i just want to get to the actual

examples so we can analyze them

all right you want to go to new york as

an example because that's my that's what

i'm asking you is can you give me the

date

okay in new york so i can actually

analyze what happened

yeah but that's going back decades

there's not be like an archive of it

go ahead and i don't know

1991 okay

right to work okay

it's from my chat

new york

1991 right

so you would be in favor of that right

getting rid of right to work losses are

bad right

hold on before we get there

i have to know when right to work was

eliminated in new york

okay there's the taft harley act which

is a federal act

so i'm looking for

i don't is there any information about

new york

passing or repealing a right to work law

because the political realignment

happened during the civil rights era or

during the reagan era right at latest

so it's like and but that was only in

the south so in new york the democrats

were the democrats as we know them

for a very long time i don't think there

was ever a point in new york where the

democrats

were like the southern democrats right

they were progressive democrats in new

york always

yeah so you do the civil rights act

right um the civil rights

martin luther king supported against

right to work laws as well and support

and in favor of the democrats so you

would be against that too

okay

okay let's just save time and

hypothetically address the point you're

trying to bring up

let's say i oppose right-to-work laws i

actually think that's not even something

we should be focusing on right now

because it's not great i'm just saying

but but let's just say i'm against them

and now the democrats are also against

them well okay in many cases the

republicans are against war with russia

and i'm against war with russia so

should i support the republicans

there's examples of policies

there's examples of policies the

republicans support that i support i

support um eliminating vaccine mandates

and um there's a lot of other things

republicans support right is that the

focus would you put all your focus on

mandates

i wouldn't put my focus on right to work

laws either

right but mandates just seem like more

of a non-issue

the thing that is actually driving like

the biggest political wedge in this

country right now

is a non-issue

it shouldn't be an issue okay but it is

that's okay saying it shouldn't be an

issue according to you is very different

from saying it's not an issue well of

course it's an issue that's why i'm

talking about it parties in power in new

york right now

the democrats of course how popular are

the mandates instituted in new york what

is the level of scale of resistance

against them in new york well there's

not really

um we're talking about mandates there's

not much of a mandate system in new york

but the mandates that do exist are

favorable not that favorable they're

they pull at around 60 so what is the

extent of resistance against them in new

york

there's a sizable amount of resistance

just not as much as other states

really there's not as there's not as

much resistance in new york as other

states when there's literally more

demonstration there's more

demonstrations and [ __ ] in new york

right but it's available than anywhere

else because in new york the mandates

are the [ __ ] harshest

that's not true

where are the mandates the harshest

city-wide i mean san francisco has

harder policies than new york does

okay and also new york city itself

doesn't have really mandates

so you just named another liberal

democrat city so is there is new york

among the harshest mandate policies

relative places okay so is that part of

the reason why there's such a

proportionate level of resistance

against them yeah of course

okay

so

what is your point there's examples of

republican things people republicans are

in favor of that i'm in favor of right

but they're also against all your

economic interests and worker interests

that's not true at all lower taxes lower

regulation less protections appealing

environmental regulations

that's the pre-trump republican party

there's a populist

turn in the republican party

there's more protectionistic yes it is

protectionist is not the same thing as

upholding uh lower taxes lower

regulations taxes don't really matter

that much i'm gonna just be honest with

you they don't [ __ ] matter that much

wait did you just say taxes don't matter

that much no they don't how do you solve

inequality

i don't give a [ __ ] about inequality so

you're not a marxist

you're not a marxist if you don't care

about inequality

explain

wait wait wait wait so you're a marxist

right

yeah and you support inequality

i don't in the economic sense i don't

care about it okay can you explain that

yeah um

inequality is a

non-issue well can you elaborate

marxists are concerned with developing

the forces of production we don't care

if some people are wealthier than others

we want people to generally be wealthy

across the board so i agree with that

but i'm saying is there a level of

inequality you have an issue with like

if jeff bezos is flying around

spaceships while people are barely

having enough to eat you don't think

that's an issue

the issue is that people don't have

enough to eat i could care less what

bezos does in space that's the truth

so you just think you're allowed with

capitalism while running rampant as long

as i'm i'm anti-poverty i'm against

poverty

but you're supportive of markets

capitalist markets is that what you're

saying

um we don't live we don't have any

capitalist markets

right but i'm saying in in theory

we don't have capitalist markets

capitalist markets are done

they cease to exist

after the um

1929 there's no capitalist markets

it just doesn't make sense how you're

saying you support inequality

okay did i say i support it or did i say

i don't give a [ __ ] about it

it wouldn't there's no difference

between those two

i inequality will ha if you don't

i actually think there is a big

difference because if there was no

inequality i also wouldn't care so for

me to support inequality being neutral

allows it to happen and run rampant

okay

um how

well hypothetically if you're in control

and you say i don't care let's have all

our policies not care about i i would

rather

i'm more interested in generating new

wealth

than

taxing the wealthy

that exists now i'm more interested in

tapping into the source of how they got

their wealth in the first place

and allowing other people to have the

opportunity to tap into that that wealth

so

if like i don't know what you do that's

a long term you're talking that's a long

term you're talking about 10 20 30 years

down the road

for what you're saying

a very a short-term solution is to

reallocate wealth

who's going to reallocate wealth

the state

our state the american government

right does it do a good job of

allocating

anything not particularly no it doesn't

so

well we're talking about short-term

solutions

how does that address the forces of

production how does that address

like how the economy actually works and

how it functions it doesn't address any

of that

if you um

there's such a superficial

um

way of addressing the problem okay we're

gonna take a snapshot of the economy

right now and just transfer wealth from

some to others okay right where did the

wealth come from are you addressing that

where did the wealth in the first place

come from it's being taken by people's

labor

um

be more specific please because

you need to be more specific

it's coming from the development of the

forces of production

right

so if you want if you want to solve

poverty you increase the forces of

production you increase the general

wealth of the economy through

restructuring the economy through

breaking monopolies that's caused the

economy to stagnate

and that's how it works you don't i

don't

where did you get this idea that

how do you break a monopolies without

breaking wall street and uh the

capitalists

that is a side effect you do break them

that's what class war is about you're

not gonna break them with the republican

party

no

you're not so you said you would vote

republican because of mandates this

makes no sense why would you support the

republicans

because you're like

policies how old are you i'm 19.

are you sure you didn't add like four

years

no yeah i know you're pivoting because

you you know i i'm asking what your age

is because

it's very clear to me that you're

letting your enthusia enthusiasm cloud

your ability to actually

interpret what i said and what i said

was

by your logic

i should be supporting the republicans i

didn't say i supported them because of

mandates i said no you said because of

they don't want to go to work russia and

mandates you would rather be a

republican

okay

right hold on

so you sure you're 19.

yeah okay i'm gonna walk you through

this slowly and i'm gonna

you interrupt me i'm gonna have to mute

you

so i'm gonna walk it

i'm gonna walk you through it slowly

right it's actually pretty simple

you said i should be supporting the

democrats i said hypothetically let's

say the democrats are against

right-to-work laws and they're repealing

them and that i'm against right to work

laws and repealing them that is no more

an argument in favor of me supporting

the democrats

then an argument

in favor of me supporting the

republicans because they also do things

i agree with

and that is literally the extent of what

i said

right but you there's you do this you

think there's a difference between the

levels of how damaging right to work

laws are to the working class versus

vaccine mandates

i think vaccine mandates are

significantly worse

you have to get a medical procedure to

go into work

that's how you're taking this

vaccine mandates and lockdowns kill

businesses kill professions kill the

economy we just pivoted in an atmosphere

in an atmosphere they're part of the

same thing in an atmosphere of

widespread distrust in the establishment

people don't want to be special

wait so should people vote for third

party

i i don't advocate for anyone to vote

for anything

i i'm you're not going to see me tell

people to vote at all

right but you have you've advocated for

third parties correct

or a third party

right

which is impossible which is something

i'm actively working on building

uh 50 years 100 years how long

um

i i are you my boss do i have do i have

to answer to you like who the [ __ ] are

you

well you're making nonsensical

statements right

i am active i mean people need help now

and you're saying well let's just wait

20 30 years to build up something and

then maybe you can help you're not

helping anyone helping people now not

helping anyone right now

who are you helping right now as an

individual who are you helping well i

mean you're yelling into your microphone

so you're not helping anyone so who are

you helping

okay okay then i'm gonna quit streaming

and just work for a soup kitchen i will

help you should do that yeah yeah i will

help vastly more people in the immediate

sense working at a soup kitchen

uh by your logic no one should be caring

about politics at all we should just be

focused on charity because that provides

the most immediate relief

what is this possible what is this pivot

dude they like flailing all over the

place

i just don't understand why you take

this position if the democrats are doing

more for the working class support the

democrats it's that simple they're not

doing more for the working class

democracy

administration was nafta passed

believe that was clinton what party did

clinton belong to

the democrats what it was the effect

nafta had on the working class

not great

what would you say that's an

understatement wouldn't it be more like

it kind of decimated the working class i

think that's an exaggeration really

yeah why is that

i don't think that that's the most

important thing to the working class i

think giving people uh the basic needs

you do not know a goddamn thing about

the history of this country that wasn't

among the most important events that

decimated the jobs that the working

class were used to and led to the

complete decimation of whole communities

cities and ways of life you don't think

that's a big deal

no it's a big deal

i'm against nafta and the tv show but

who passed after

democrats as opposed to the but you'd

rather have the republicans is what

you're saying in that case

is that what i said

i'm asking

what

why so you're saying i i i personally

can only choose between the democrats

and republicans

realistically yes so what if i said suck

my nuts

well you can let the republicans pass uh

the horrible things like fracking in

alaska i mean you want fracking all over

the place uh abortion bans all over the

place

right okay i'm gonna explain it to you

like this

or you can get killed in florida

i'll explain it to you like this

so

you have a wife

and

a uh foreign soldier comes

and wants to take your wife one way

another soldier who is a completely

different guy but he's a little more

gentle wants to take her another way

does a man

shake hands with the soldier who wants

to take his wife or

are you kidding is this the analogy

you're gonna do yeah it is it is

this is nonsense the democrats have done

so much for the working class and you do

not want to say that

what have they done i just told you

right to work laws being repealed

how has that materially helped the

working class

unionization giving people leverage

giving people benefits giving people

higher wages okay so the democrats have

objectives okay so the democrats the

democrats have led to significant levels

of increased uni unionization then right

right

you haven't incredibly do you have any

statistics to back that up because it's

actually

absolutely i can show you evidence to

the contrary that unionization has gone

down significantly

well of course it's gone down

significantly but it's much higher in

states that don't have right to work

laws

um

it's gone down everywhere

yeah it's gone down significantly but

it's gone down less in states that don't

have right to work laws

which means existing unions have

retained

their power but that's those aren't new

unions that address are you going to

build unionization when the republicans

are declaring war and unions all over

the place no one's building unionization

in democrat states either

that's nonsense

but it's true the unionization there's

not total

you want to go to the statistics on that

yeah

unionization blue versus red states we

can go through it new unionization yeah

most united states no new unionization

not most unionized states i'm not

talking about legacy unions now you want

to pivot again but we can do that we're

not talking about legacy unions from the

20th century we're talking about the new

unions

oh look so um the the highest

unionization um rates now like is

expanding is hawaii new york

both democrat states

okay

and also uh then you have south carolina

link that to me so i can look at the

statistics and look at what we're

looking at

yeah

so then we can know you're wrong

okay i wanna know by how much is it

increasing and where is it increasing

what sectors of the economy is it

increasing in are those working class

sectors or professional managerial

sectors all those things matter

yeah yeah so are you like flailing with

pivoting again

so it seems like you have this article

hey it seems like there's this pattern

with you

it seems like there's this pattern with

you where every time you lose an

argument you just accuse me of pivoting

no i mean you stopped doing the

performative masculinity thing which is

interesting

because you are i don't know if you're

nervous because you're actually being

called no it's it's mainly because i

think you're 16 years old

well i mean you've debated other young

people in the past right

uh i mean i guess when you're not

talking about varsh or destiny by the

way

hold on child when you're writing others

listen to kids kid

you're not

having a debate with me you're being

lectured right now kid yeah why don't

you make a vosh video maybe that'll get

you some views right or destiny video or

hassan video

okay i mean from the looks of it your

channel's suffering but you know just

look at the evidence i put in the chat

general chat hold on if my channel

if my channel starts to significantly

increase in success

what will you give me

uh nothing you just laughed you just

laughed about my channel suffering so in

my channel

so when my channel starts

suffering man

so when my channel starts to thrive

significantly what will you say then

i'll try to get it taken down maybe

how will you do that

uh i don't know i'll i'll hire a team of

expert aliens to strike at your

headquarters

and we'll make sure that you stop

promoting garbage like marxist leninism

which has killed millions of people okay

are you 14 years old

no i'm 19.

oh

so i want to know when you lied about

taiwan right when you lied about that do

you feel bad about that at all

you still feel bad about that why are

you pivoting to taiwan

well you you ignored the article i

posted so i figured you were just and

you were what articles

in general

where did you post it

in general

yeah you're supposed to put it oh in

general

you're supposed to post it in fact

checking child yes more rules

you love rules don't you

don't you have some homework to finish

kid

finish why don't you finish uh

listen before you have this attitude

with me please finish algebra two okay

okay my son okay my son

anyway

the union membership weight of public

sector workers continuing to be more

than five times higher than the rate of

private sector workers

so what is the relevant part that i'm

looking for here

new unionizations where

um this is talking about legacy unions i

want to know about new unions

well all those states are democrat

states where those highest unionization

rates okay but what about new

unionization not legacy unions that are

from the 20th century

it's a very long thing i'm sure you can

find that in there well you seem to have

already found it so just tell me where

it is

okay yeah so it's showing from 2020 to

2021

but this isn't saying by state listen

2020 to 2021 is the amount of existing

unionization not the amount of new

unionization of previously ununionized

workers

right

right so what that means is that this

isn't evidence of what i was asking for

why do you just guess every time you get

scared you raise your voice what is that

just read the article i just gave you

the evidence and you're not reading it

there is no evidence in here as far as i

just that's why new york the democrats

states

of existing legacy unions

so why does that matter if it's legacy

unions or not because new unionization

would indicate that democrats

are helping the working class

it's new york has been democrats since

it's since inception

so how is the working class thriving in

new york when only a minority of workers

who belong to legacy unions from the

20th century which are very corrupt very

bureaucratic and it many can even argue

harm workers by stagnating the forces of

production

how does that help the working class

i'm not saying that helps working class

are people doing better in texas or new

york right now the working class

new york

really

yeah

why are so many people moving to texas

as opposed to new york you would think

that people would migrate to the

prosperous and thriving state of new

york as opposed to texas

right well capitalists want to exploit

cheap labor

what but the people who are moving to

texas are coming from democrat states

like new york and

california right because they're being

offered uh jobs there

so why isn't new york able to provide

enough jobs for its working class

because de blasio ruined the city

was de blasio a democrat or a republican

democrat

which is why i support progressives

in the democratic party

i can make the exact same argument you

just made against me about third parties

or progressives it's viable progressives

are viable

oh really how have progress progressives

proven to be viable at all give me

examples of that

well we got bill back better passed

we're not built back better than the

other no you did it

the infrastructure bill doesn't have a

progressive agenda it's just a very bare

bones infrastructure bill which was

outsourced to private companies and in

all likelihood that infrastructure bill

isn't going to lead to a revitalization

of infrastructure they're also

outnumbered it's money funnel it's money

funneled to private corporations

they're probably not even going to spend

it efficiently so what

number like hundred to one

so

so so that makes it not viable according

to your logic why should we wait for the

progressives when people are suffering

now

why are you risking the republicans

winning by backing these unpopular

progressives

don't you know joe manchin

don't like it okay so you support

republicans in west virginia

no

so do you support joe manchin

of course not

then you support republicans i support

what's best for people now

because they don't listen for some grift

not

foreign in west virginia joe manchin has

a way better shot than the progressives

you're talking about criminal you

support a criminal

who do i support wait

joe manchin

you support republicans why are you

talking bad about a democrat

i don't support all democrats

you think i'm like a subservient to the

democratic party so if you don't support

if you don't support all democrats then

you must support the republicans

no you support the progressive wing of

the democratic party which is in effect

helping the republicans

how is that because progressives are not

able to win over republican voters

they've never been proven capable of

doing that anywhere

that's not true really

why did you just lie why did you just

get caught in another lie okay give me

one example

aoc

aoc was elected by some republicans too

which republicans elected aoc in new

york

yeah go ahead give me the relevant data

give me the relevant um

statistics on that

okay

i don't know where i would find that uh

where democrats vs republicans who voted

for aoc

well why did you say that if you don't

know it

well i don't i know republicans voted

for aoc

was it an amount that indicates she's

able to win over a significant amount of

the republican electorate

well what number are you talking about i

don't care if one or two people voted

for her

is someone like aoc able to win over the

coal miners in west virginia

if she was able to appeal to them yeah i

don't work in class sure so let's

actually look at the real data we have

so 23 of americans overall

regardless of whether the republicans

are democrats

have a favorable view of aoc

36 percent have an unfavorable view

and there is a negative 13 percent

overall approval rating

38 percent haven't heard enough about

her

why are you guys

among democrats among democrats 47 view

her favorably

7 percent unfavorably

and 74 percent of republicans view her

unfavorably

and only two percent view her favorably

so two percent of republicans view the

progressive you gave an example of

favorably

right well that's just a failure

strategy

on the democrats side

okay

but let's walk back to the original

point which what this was about which

was

by supporting these progressives you're

actually harming

the democratic party and helping the

republicans oh you're supposed to push

them left

and have you succeeded

no that's why you have to keep fighting

for that

so what's the difference between what

you're doing and what i'm doing

what you're doing is you're taking

people's votes into third parties which

is a failed strategy for the last 100

years you want to step on the working

class you want to step on people who

don't have it on this step on that step

on your mom and we know that democrats

gave people checks they gave people

things that the people needed and now

that we're getting health care and

states but of course you want to keep

lying why you want to know why you keep

lying about it because really you're

just observing a griff it's just like

true this is all right trump gave people

checks too but let's walk back what you

said well trump's also uh anti-nato so

which i am as well and that's why trump

because you're an idiot who doesn't

understand foreign policy

oh i understand it very well i'm just on

the side no i know i know i know you

don't it's okay well i don't want to

pivot to that because i know you want to

run to that sure

we're going to stay on topic so you said

the difference is that i'm funneling

votes away from the democrats but aren't

you funneling votes away from people

like joe manchin by supporting

progressives

of course

which in effect helps the republicans

because progressives have no chance

just like third parties

have supposedly never been successful

progressivism has never been successful

well you don't necessarily have to go on

a left-wing uh progressivism you

there's more evidence for the success of

third parties than progressivism

there's a hundred how many people are in

the progressive caucus

can you answer that when we look at

history no answer the question how many

people are in the progressive caucus uh

your mom's ass

oh you're going to run from that right

how many third parties are elected it's

not relevant it's not right how many no

it is not living you're running from it

your mother you're wrong

you know you're wrong about it you

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in the beginning there was the word in

the beginning there was me bro remember

that continuing i'll read it continuing

okay no no you're not continuing you're

running but okay yeah continuing off of

what i said

lincoln's republican party was actually

a third party

there's plenty examples of third parties

250 years ago are you really jumping to

that

you're really jumping to that hundreds

of years ago

the whole news party was a third party

hundreds of years ago they're not an

elected

what what is this this is ridiculous

analogy i'm gonna wait till you're done

sewing out so uh i can calmly explain to

you why you're a [ __ ] idiot

well you can keep losing brad that's

okay

so the progressive party was a third

party they got power

nope wrong during the election really

what's wrong about that 100 percent

wrong no continue just keep being wrong

go ahead

what's wrong

the progressive party hasn't won

anything

yeah that's almost party the chair of

the progressive party was

they they they haven't won anything

okay who is the chair of the progressive

party i don't know why i know they

haven't won anything yeah because no one

in your chat has ever heard of them

either

right so continue continue on your fake

point

okay do you know who chaired the um

progressive party

your mom

actually it was

theodore roosevelt

who's a democrat

yeah but he wrote thank you you just

proved my argument thank you yes vote

for democrats you heard everyone

theodore roosevelt was a member of the

progressive party and in the uh and then

he stopped grifting right then the

election of 1912

he gained 27 of the vote that's more

than progressives

have ever come to they've never gotten

that way wait are you becoming a marxist

biden is now are you supporting a

democrat teddy roosevelt

who said anything about supporting

anything i'll see you at the voting

booth bro i'll see you at the voting

booth we're going to vote

anything about who said anything about

supporting anything

you just pointed to teddy roosevelt

who's a democrat he was a republican

when he got to power he was a republican

yeah but he was a democrat though

no he wasn't he was a [ __ ] republican

bro look it up you're just making stuff

up at this point are you shooting for

that so if i prove to you right now that

teddy roosevelt was a republican will

you see the entire debate let me look it

up

let me put that up

go ahead look it up

oh look it says it right here it's a

democrat exactly

i knew i was right well leave the vc but

you lost where does it say that

can you link it to me

go ahead and link to me where it says

it's over dude you're done okay it's

over but can you go ahead and link it to

me where it says that governor of new

york governor of new york and vice

president right there

roosevelt

we're gonna look

roosevelt emerged as a leader of the

republican party and became a driving

force for the antitrust and progressive

policies

nah that's luck you got lucky on that

so he was he a republican or a democrat

uh he was the people he was in the

people's party

okay so

are you were you wrong about saying he

was a democrat

no i was right

so you're in uh

10th grade right now right so you're

probably covering i know i'm in your

mom's ass did you take civics yet

in high school uh how many drinks have

you had today

can i see your driver's license

uh do you have any weapons on you

the difference is that i actually have a

driver's license and the only form of

identification you have is your birth

right well

well i'm like you failed to get girls in

la maybe you're doing good now though

right

who said i failed

i mean i know you failed right they're

like oh i don't have enough subscribers

you said oh girls in la don't see my

subscribers like i'm not impressed by

that you even admitted it bro to destiny

you embarrass yourself

do you think that

if

you think you'll get your subscribers up

here my son get your viewers up hold on

are you trying to say that if every girl

does not

[ __ ] you in la that means you get

nothing

well you didn't no girl [ __ ] you bro

name one show me one contact right now

on your phone

yeah let me just die

show me one contact [ __ ] you care yeah

i'll just dox a bunch of people that's

what i thought that's what i thought

yeah yeah but and i thought

anyway what we were talking about what

were we losing about this time i forgot

i think it was about whether teddy

roosevelt was a democrat or a republican

oh yeah when he was in the people's

party and he won all those elections

yeah

he was he started the third party which

actually got 27 percent of the vote and

then he went into what wait he went into

what if two parties he went to a uh

what party what was it

the republican party

oh well so that's one of the two parties

right but i thought you said vote third

party so your argument just failed i

will explain to you that you just

collapsed again i got a collapse i gotta

mute him i gotta mute him he doesn't

know how to

so we'll mute it

and

so yeah so this is kid is too excited so

very briefly what i said specifically

was that third parties are historically

more successful than progressives

because while third parties have not

gained power in a very long time at the

presidential level

they have won significantly more

portions of the electorate than any

progressive candidate ever has

and that alone is a test of more victory

i mean they've proven more influential

in shaping

the prerogatives of parties

the people's party significantly shaped

the democrats agenda under the new deal

and beyond

so third parties are historically far

more successful than progressives and

the squad

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so your argument that we should be

supporting progressives as opposed to

trying to build a third party

is plainly wrong

um

yeah i

are you done boring your chat with your

lecture so we can continue

so you just heard my argument do you

have a response no i i was just drinking

some lemonade i didn't hear anything you

said well that's okay because the

audience heard it

anyways what else do you want to talk

about you're not getting girls in la uh

you bullying people in a club or

something

i think i think you're going to end up

like one of those guys at the club that

looks toward people like me for guidance

yeah you said you were bullying people

in the club like why are you trying so

hard to be tougher like you're my summer

like learn from me learn from the ways

bro learn from the ways

are you did you get that from fortnite

are you a drug addict

um

have you used heroin by chance

did you learn about heroin

did you learn about heroin and um how

many are you going to win the people's

party why don't you run why don't you

run in the people's

did you learn about did you learn about

heroin during um recess

the other day no

you want to try something hey man i

heard about this thing called heroin and

it's like yeah bro come here people get

addicted to it and you know oh my god

and it's like it's right roll up your

arm after i roll up your arm right now

oh you got a tank top on

just give me your arm right now i'll

show you so i thought you wanted to

debate what happened

well i know you panicked and then you

muted me so

what else do you want to debate about

i

you so you i i why are you stuttering

calm down so you finished the debate we

just had you lost it

well you just going into a lecture i

mean if you mute someone you win right

well the problem the reason i have to

lecture about this is because you're a

child

i mean you're boring a chat with your

lecturers right no one cares bro go to

school go be a school teacher with that

don't give a [ __ ] bruh

i promise you i probably could be your

school teacher that's the thing

oh no you're my son but remember that

1999

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why are you so nervous right now your

voice is like tremendous nervous bro

who's nervous but your voice you had to

mute me you had to mute me if anything

that makes you the nervous one

because you know i'm going to catch you

on every point

catch me please

i caught you on the republicans you

support deregulating the environment you

support more wall street you support no

right to you support right to work laws

all those things right

so you're a republican that's what you

are that's why you guys are right-wing

grifters

i don't think uh children should be

allowed on the internet you're 100

right-wing i don't think children should

be allowed to have political views

that's just my view i think you have to

be at least 21 to talk about politics

yeah i mean you've been doing that all

uh the whole time and still losing right

so i mean you lost to a child does that

make you feel good

or not a child but almost go ahead and

break down how i lost

um well you failed the whole time you

talked about third parties even though

they never won then you had to go back

200 years ago then we had to pull up all

these articles which all proved you were

wrong and when have progressives oh you

know well you know hold on

when have progressives won

huh when have progressives won

progressives party or the progressives

and democrats progressives when have

they won

on anything

they won a lot

so much they've won so much like i can't

even count how much they've won please

name one thing they won

look at ilhan omar look at all the bills

she's passed what's she saving america

on omar saving america how is she saving

america honestly she should be president

in 2028 like i think she's gonna how is

she saying

please go ahead she's saving america

because she's getting on the right wing

trumpers and she's taking them off in

bravery

you give me examples please

you want to pull up individual things

okay hello on omar bills

look at look at all these great bills

look at all these great bills protecting

immigrants from legal exploitation act

is that a good thing

um let's look at it protecting

immigrants from legal experts

access to birth control come on how many

people might have though

so this was a bill introduced into the

house

right

and what happened to it

um well it was introduced in 2021 so it

hasn't gone anywhere yet

you think it's gonna pass the senate

the senate i wouldn't yeah definitely

gonna pass the senate 100 percent

what has she actually passed though

because that we we're just gonna

speculate about whether that's gonna

pass or not you're talking while we're

talking about what she supports right no

i'm not because i can support your

mother's ass and it's still not big

enough

it's still not big enough to suit my

tastes

so my support doesn't mean anything

my support doesn't mean anything so

what have they actually done

you want you want to just go through the

bills she's passed

yes

okay

well all of them were either introduced

or in committee

so she actually got nothing done

no what has she gotten done it's in

progress what has she been successful in

getting done

she's still been pushing bills

what has she been successful i've been

pushing your mom's ass i still can't

you've been losing yeah we know i've

been pushing through your mom's ass i

still haven't why weren't you yelling at

destiny even though in real life

that was kind of embarrassing wasn't it

why are my why aren't i yelling at you

right now

well i don't know i mean you usually

yell so you got nervous i guess it's

okay buddy did i listen bro one day

listen one day you can be like me one

day you can be like me it's okay

give me an example of progressives being

successful at anything

the progressives are saving america and

soon and soon you know what's going to

happen uh the trump supporters on

january 6 are going to be um

indicted and they're going to be put all

of them are going to prison right

oh no

and that's going to save america

so let's talk about january 6th

right the white supremacist attack on

the capital

you support that right was it like this

super dangerous horrible thing

yeah i was

so who did the um white supremacists end

up murdering

well they were shouting hang mike pence

oh they were trying to kill them they

were trying to kill a vice president you

don't care about that right

oh they were trying to kill me oh you

don't care about that right were they

trying to kill him

they were shouting hating mike pence and

they were charging after him you don't

think they were

don't get nervous answer no i don't they

were shouting me hang mike pence i i

don't think they uh i don't think they

were charging at mike oh they were just

were they just trolling were they like

trolling mike pence like

bro we're going to kill you but we're

not going to is that what you're saying

do you support mike pence

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i don't think he should be killed

executed so in what way

do

you no but

okay in what material way were the um

protesters threatening mike pence's life

like how were they charging at him and

yeah and they were shouting hey mike

pence you showed me the video footage of

mike pence running from the protesters

i'm saying they were looking for him and

they were shouting hey mike pence i was

looking for i was looking i was 300 feet

away i was looking for your mom's ass

that doesn't mean i could find it

right well i know you're going to defend

white supremacy that's what you do on

this channel right

can you give me an example of how the

protesters were all white supremacists

or mostly white supremacists oh they

were 100 the nazis showed up the

fascists showed up

yeah they saw they show up to anything

they feel like they can co-op but did

the majority or even a significant

portion of those protesters

align with them

well

not the radical factions but most of

them were white supremacists because

trump ran on against immigration and

preserving away okay

so they're all supporters are mostly

white supremacists so first of all where

did trump talk about

where did trump talk about a white

majority

the muslim ban the immigration

reforms all of that is supposed to yeah

i'm waiting i'm waiting for the white

majority part

that's what that does those are what

those policies are for to exclude people

of color sure so

um you wait you're arab you support

something

so i can't wait

you just collapsed again i can i can i

can name you a number of black south

african politicians

who are fervently anti-immigrant and

don't want immigrants from nigeria and

zimbabwe

to come to south africa are they trying

to preserve the white majority in south

africa are those sorry the white

minority south africans do that are

often racist too

but they're black so they're being

racist

are they being racist

so are they being racist against other

black people

yeah of course you think that the

reasons why people oppose immigration

can be beyond race

yeah of course do you think that race

plays a

um

major or minor factor in

anti-immigration sentiment major 100

major oh really

so poland hungary all of europe really

yeah united states canada

so it's not about jobs it's about race

jobs are part of it but it's mostly race

okay so why aren't there protests by

these same people against indian tech

workers that go to silicon valley

because they're not coming to america in

the same way that hispanics are through

mexico

what's the difference

uh the size

okay i i think you're missing the point

that

trump's no you're just pivoting again

but you can go back to that

trump's anti-immigration sentiment was

specifically about an economic in nature

no that's how they co-op did it

that's not why people voted for him

though

so why did people voted for him just

because they're racist right

yeah i would say so and the democrats

are what

the democrats are not racist they're

supporting diversity

like joe biden he's not a racist right

no he's not he's saving america joe

biden is saving america

what was biden's stance on the racist

crime bills and segregation oh we're

going back to 1994. see it's another

pivot again i'm asking you again joe

biden is a racist

he's not a racist as he was and then he

changed oh he changed i got it

and he's saving america you know all the

things he's doing we got juneteenth

juneteenth as a holiday

wow there's also a lot of money given to

people

just like under trump

nope

what was the difference

body gave way more money he also uh

trump was cutting he gave tax cuts and

all this stuff that destroyed the

economy

i mean i know you love trump but we i

don't have to pivot to that

okay so

um were there tax cuts under bill

clinton

yeah

and trump did 80 tax cut he did a crazy

bill

okay and

why should i care

democrats are doing the right thing i

mean if you look at joe biden's policies

he's by 2028 we're going to be in a new

america

america joe biden is restoring the soul

to the country and but you're against

that because you don't support workers

you support uh right to work laws

how have workers benefited materially

they've benefited greatly

many many ways like i just said name one

way

in which uh workers haven't benefited

well look at i just mentioned it i just

mentioned it

he also passed the bipartisan

infrastructure bill

and

what has come of that

we're building roads and bridges that

helped the world yeah nothing's going on

right

so the infrastructure bill

allocated how much for infrastructure

over 10 years

uh 1.1 trillion

wow

do you know what the federal budget is

for wait wait do you have a trillion

do you know do you know what the federal

budget is every year

pretty high

how much

uh 69 trillion

dollars didn't teach you this yet in

high school

no but your mom told me about it

annual federal budget

is 4.79 trillion

yeah so that sounds good this is an

infrastructure bill over 10 years

so

1.1 divided by 10

is

about a hundred billion

math aren't you struggling with that

math took you a while so the

infrastructure bill

which was bipartisan

right

and saving america

it's saving america so when a government

does the bare minimum of updating its

infrastructure the the the busy work of

just pumping money to upgrade its

infrastructure we should be so grateful

for the democrats yeah right because

america is the greatest country on earth

thanks to the democrats

and why should i care about what you

just said

well you can care because you're wrong

but

i mean if you just look at how america

america's benefited you you could be in

libya somewhere or you could be in

somalia somewhere getting shot but

you're here

sitting and yelling into a microphone

for money instead of doing manual labor

right

um

thanks to democrats

why is that thanks to the democrats

all of their policies that have saved

america saved america

do you know why i'm here

uh yeah to yell into a microphone and no

do you actually know why

um do you actually know do you actually

know

girls and yeah i know you're here do you

know why i'm here

yeah i just told you

so the country that my parents came from

lebanon was ravaged by a civil war

in great part

because america was supporting the

genocide it was hezbollah

when was hezbollah founded

hezbollah destroyed lebanon

when was hezbollah founded

i think that was after the civil war

right so

my parents came during the civil war

which happened in part because the

americans were propping up the genocidal

maronite ruling class the maronites were

brave they're christians

yeah but they were also genocidal and

excluded

the majority of the country from any

other countries those were radical

militias that's not the people you're

gonna attack christians because of few

i'm talking about christians i'm talking

about the maronite ruling class

but you're you just said maronites

those are a lot of people in lebanon and

they're good people

and they're actually being killed by

hezbollah and terrorists really

yeah

what are examples

what are examples of

what are some examples of china

what are some examples of hezbollah

murdering maronites oh well they

definitely killed that journalist you

don't remember that give me the uh

data give me this citation

it's a art article yeah give me the

article where they killed the journalist

i killed a journalist

lokman slim

link it

uh

they murdered a journalist so you

support that right or you support

hezbollah on iran give me an exam give

me the

that's your geopolitical can you go

ahead and link it

i did i mean you're not looking i know

okay

lebanese columnist

shot and killed

lokem slim

his assassination

so here's on wikipedia

hezbollah condemned the killing denied

any involvement and called for an

immediate investigation

yeah but it was proven they did it

how was it proven

he was a a hezbollah critic you realize

that right

sure how is it proven hezbollah killed

him

well it's a larger investigation that

proved it

even if hezbollah killed him

which is unproven

no it's never been proven

did they kill him for being a maronite

or for criticizing them

well for criticizing them i just imagine

so hezbollah is not in fact just killing

maronites well yeah but you support

hezbollah

i will not confirm or deny supporting uh

hezbollah oh

really that's interesting

okay i don't want to make you nervous

about that because you're uh streaming

trust me i'm not nervous

anyway what else are you saying

uh well i was just talking about largely

uh nato and how nato was saving the

world too

how was nato saving the world nato's

defending uh south korea nato's

defending philippines nato's defending

taiwan brave taiwan i know that's not

now this is going to take them down in

china now you can't post a stream in

china because i said that but anyways

they also protecting many other people

in europe against russia how is nato

defending south korea

uh the military base is there

is it a nato base or a u.s base

yeah there's u.s bases but there's also

nato bases around with uh and other

ships

that protect south korea

i know you want to pivot to that but

really

where's the nato bases in south korea

i said there's u.s bases in south korea

no you didn't you said it was nato bases

yeah but there's nato bases around the

area that protects as well where

do you want to go to the nato bases

you know uh what do you know what nato

stands for

north american treaty

alliance or something like that let me

put a fact check and look look at this

man please tell me what nato sounds uh

look at the map no no no no no look at

the map

i just proved you wrong again

yeah those are us military bases we're

not we're talking about nato

bases

yeah but nato and amer and american

military basically the same thing no

they're actually not

they're actually really not

who leads nato

the us

right you're wrong okay let's go to the

next topic so if the us has a military

base that doesn't mean it's a nato base

it doesn't matter you're just doing

semantics room okay where is what

continent is um

south korea in

asia

and which major c surrounds

south korea

south china sea

uh which major ocean so it's a tough

question which major ocean is near south

pacific the pacific what does nato stand

for

it's the north atlantic treaty

organization

so why would the north atlantic treaty

organization be in south korea

wait bruh american military does the

same thing

but you said nato is saving the world it

doesn't matter you're just focusing on

this one point

just like i was doesn't matter it's

literally useless army it's just like i

was focusing on theodore roosevelt and

being uh oh well you're wrong about that

too yeah

what was i wrong about didn't you say

you were having trouble making friends

in a club or something today like

it's okay

i mean i know you were lonely in your

room it must be lonely in there

i don't anyways so

i don't think you're old enough to go

into any club i mean i mean i know

you're lonely in there man it looks

pretty lonely yelling into your

microphone alone

i mean there's nobody ever over at your

house why are you sure

yeah

you're sure no one's ever over here

no one's there nope

no one's ever over here

nope

sure about that

yep

interesting

oh except that hinkle guy whatever his

name is he's never stepped foot in here

who's like he's like yours that that's

like your father right

jackson hinkle's your father why is why

is he my father oh weird

like you two are like in love

you two have such a weird relationship

like you guys are going to kiss someday

bro

why

you guys literally uh take things off of

each other like they're both like

flexing you're both saying the same

slogans like you literally like copies

we're both young men in our 20s and we

flex

yeah no you're copying each other

mannerisms you're copying each other's

slang it's so weird wow it's almost it's

almost like we're good friends and

allies an infrared and he's like

infrared is boys and hinkle's like

infrared

like right he's literally like that's

your boyfriend bro what are you gonna

propose

um

look i'm nervous you guys look how

nervous you paused why did you pause

when i said that wait why'd you pause

pause about what

but i said that

i i just don't think you have any real

friends

okay let's move to the next point you

don't want to talk about that no no

i know you don't want to talk no no no

no you don't want to talk about that i

know you don't want to talk about wait

wait wait wait wait wait wait let's talk

about that since

you're seem to know a lot about me

you're currently in high school what

about your friends

i'm in high school really yeah

how many 19 year olds are in high school

yeah but you're not you're not 19. can

you do the math on that we know you're

not 19.

who is we

everyone who's why are you stalking me

are you are they stalking me you have a

camera

that's a little creepy isn't it

we we're very certain you're not 19.

you're certain right

so you're in high school i mean i mean

you've been up you've been obsessed with

my age the whole time it's so weird

because you are actually a child i don't

know why you care about my age so much

because you are actually a child

so you can go you can believe that but

i'm 19. everyone knows i'm 19.

no i think you're 15.

well i mean samseed has been debunking

you on the regular

when

he's been debunking the people's party

been debunking

anti-squad sure how is he how did he

first how did he debunk it because kevin

mccarthy would have been speaker and all

these things

it just proves that they're crazy

having mccarthy would have been speaker

yeah if um if they did the stupid force

to vote yeah but

that was disproven

how was that disproven because it's not

true

he wouldn't have become speaker yes he

would no he wouldn't have

prove it

it was literally watched the debates

between jackson and sam i watched the

debate and i watched sam see to run

circles around him the whole time and

then he soy raged and got muted

uh

so you don't have a bedtime or homework

what time is it for you right now

ted

how lonely is it in the room can you

like yell is anyone gonna say anything

if you yelled right now would anyone

hear you

i don't know you wouldn't notice that

sounds pretty lonely that sounds pretty

lonely

that sounds pretty lonely bro

you wouldn't know what that's like

because are you in a cave somewhere in

lebanon are you in a cave you wouldn't

know what that's like because you still

live with your parents wait wait why did

you get closer to the mic don't get

nervous

you wouldn't you wouldn't know what it's

like okay

calm down you live with your parents

listen my son my son calm down be still

like aang said be still

you know what you remind me of you

remind me of a new york kid who loves

spider-man miles morales that's like

what you look up i do i mean that is

good yeah

of course and you're like you're a big

spider-man fan and like

you um i do like spiderman yeah

and you're one of those new york kids

that have their phones what are those

wait for a second for a second have you

ever have you ever done that what are

those things

remember when you were wrong about

maoism too when you said maoism isn't

violent remember when you said that

when did i say that

in the debate with jason urdu you said

that you don't go out of your way to be

violent which goes against maoism yeah

mao said that revolution is an act of

violence

it is

so you're wrong

no i'm not wrong so you don't want

revolution

no one just wants revolution it's called

volunteerism what

wait do you want a revolution yes or no

i don't get it i want your mom's big fat

ass no answer the question yes do you

want your mom's ass come on don't pivot

don't pick i don't want your mom's pivot

i caught you again i caught you again on

this point i know

it just answer the question the desire

is desire is immaterial to what a

revolution is you said you supported a

revolution but a revolution is a

violence i don't know i want do you want

the sun to rise tomorrow

yeah does it matter what you want

no it's good so why do you why do you

want it

doesn't it doesn't want imply that it's

not guaranteed

you're doing semantics again is this

like your one like retreating principle

you just run to semantics

you want the sun to rise tomorrow you

run you i'm not answering the same

question bro

i i rise of sun bruh when the sun rises

that's because of me that's why remember

that every time you look at the sun

remember me remember new york democrat

mark says lenin is bidenist

you play minecraft

yeah want to join me

no

so

just to be clear

you're a high schooler who watches vos

right

no i hate vosh

you're a high schooler who does this on

their spare time right

not a high schooler what can we infer

about your social standing in high

school like are you considered a loser

or a cool guy i'm not in high school

that this is what you do in your spare

time if you're not oh yeah you get i

mean you're a grown man yelling into

your microphone for clout chasing is

that better why don't you get a real

[ __ ] job instead of sitting in your

ass yelling about whatever the and on

discord

i i get paid

yeah you get paid to sit on your ass and

yell on discord you're a grown man why

don't you do manual labor if you're a

real socialist why don't you do some

manual labor why don't you be a

construction i'm working don't you be

the pro

i am i'm working you're just laughing no

you're just laughing you're alarmed i'm

working you're just larping about

revolution oh you're going to pick shut

the [ __ ] up for once

do you want to continue saying you're

larping

yeah yeah

say it again say it again larp say it

again you're trying so hard you're

trying so hard to be like oh i'm a

socialist i'm a socialist uh we're gonna

do revolution even though you're

sweating your balls off in your basement

yelling about whatever

destiny i didn't quite hear you so can

you say it again uh another time because

i don't think we got it

what do you say

if i say in arabic maybe if i'm saying

arabic you'll you'll understand it so

say it right say what you just said

again because you said it a few times

that we didn't quite get you so it was

what did you not get please what did you

understand let me explain it to you what

did you not get yeah yeah what are you

doing

hey boy hey boy what do you want me to

explain

you keep interrupting me saying the same

thing i just do not understand let me

let me educate you what did you not

understand

i didn't hear anything you said i think

you should say it again you have brain

damage

yeah i think you should listen put your

mic closer say what what do you want me

to say boy

uh go ahead don't get nervous i didn't

hear it what

what didn't i hear what did you

specifically not hear i didn't hear any

of it

what is

it i didn't hear any of it i heard some

noises

oh well that's your fault i don't know

what to tell you your whole chat heard

it remember

but to answer what you said i actually

am working

i'm working on your mom's big fat ass

all right

notice how no nobody in your chat

laughed at that i was weak though yeah

but you're really struggling on these

folks

you're really trying hard today

but you have to admit it's a great deal

of work i mean you're dying i mean

you're dying out here man

it's not it's not listen listen i can't

get hurt no one's hearing me

thankfully it's not it's not that much

of work because it's not it's not why do

you keep stuttering is english your

second because i'm bouncing i'm bouncing

it's true it's not it's not because i'm

awesome stuttering [ __ ]

speak it's clearly

my son

i taught you how to read you should be

able to read correctly

this is a really productive debate isn't

it

but your mother didn't teach you to read

because she was busy sucking me off

this is a really productive debate isn't

it

i i don't know what it seems we're

accomplishing

you immediately folded when you got a

factual detail wrong couldn't take we

went over detail at the detail and you

were flailing on every point you said oh

250 years ago this one party won 20 of

the vote so therefore we can do third

parties

okay let me ask you a question

even if there was never a third party

does that alone prove third parties are

not possible

no of course not

so what proves they're not possible i

think they're possible i just don't

think they're possible now why not

because we need to do things for people

now substantive things so what

infrastructure like checks yes like when

when will we not have anything to do for

people and be able to have a third party

i think i draw that line at healthcare

so as soon as we get universal

healthcare we can have a third party

yeah so when are we getting universal

healthcare

well

hopefully soon why are you saying

hopefully

because i don't know if we're gonna get

it

and you know in the near future but you

also don't know if third parties are

possible

no i know they're possible i just don't

think they're possible now yeah you

don't know that they're possible now

no i don't think they're possible now

why not

because i don't think people's lives

have been uh substantially helped enough

to where people would be willing to move

from the third party the two duopoly why

would people

start a third party when their lives

were helped wouldn't they want a third

party when their lives aren't being

helped

no because they'd be at a better

economic standing with leverage

right now they have no leverage

leveraged through what

leveraged through having more economic

status in the capitalist system

how was that give them more leverage to

start a third party

because uh for instance the unions would

be stronger they'd be more capable at

running a third party

partners have never been able to expand

in their legacy unions they're dinosaur

unions

right one of the reasons why you fixed

that is through health care health care

is the answer

why

because when you give people health care

that

makes it so they don't have to

suffer and so they can build their

parties all right so you're saying

people are only going to vote democrat

because they need immediate help that's

why they're right yeah that's why people

vote that's the only reason people go

democrat sure

now let me ask you something

why is it that the people most in need

of that help don't even vote

because they don't they believe the

whole system's a sham

so doesn't that defeat the point you

just made that the reason people are

voting is to vote for their immediate

interests

most people don't believe that they're

gonna get those immediate interests

why do they believe that

because they don't see it

why don't they see it are they wrong

no they're not wrong

so they're not wrong that

voting is a waste of their time

no they're wrong they're not wrong that

there's not enough substantive change

coming from the both parties

so why is a third party not possible

it's not possible now why but it is

possible

why isn't it possible now because the

material conditions are not ready for it

go ahead and explain why

the two-party system is too deeply

entrenched and people have too many

needs

yet the people who have those needs are

not voting for democrats right it's like

you could nail a phone in with you can

nail a nail in with a phone but then you

break the phone

right so uprooting the democratic party

is a 20-30 year progress and people need

help now

and yet they're not voting for democrats

that's the problem

so you think it's more viable to

convince

people who have no trust in our system

to vote democrat

than to actually build a party they do

trust on a populist line

not just voting for democrats but voting

for populist democrats people were going

to fight for working-class interests

which voters are going to stand behind

populous democrats

well most of the working class will

republican then democrat so they're

gonna ditch trump for the populist

democrats

well trump's approval rating is flailing

so i think it's possible

and yet the democratic party was

entirely discredited

no that wasn't entirely discredited it's

just they didn't see the substance of

change which is why you have to provide

that change for people to vote for them

people aren't going to vote if you're

not going to give them anything which is

why you need to

develop populist wings who are going to

give people substantive policies that

help them

um

you

claim

that we just need a populist wing in the

democratic party a progressive right

right

it would be interesting

that's interesting i feel like no one's

ever tried that

people have it failed

what are some examples of people trying

to do that

um the progressive caucus the justice

democrats

many other the buffalo mayor recently

who lost what happened to that

what happened to what justice democrats

um

well i feel like they pursued more of

their own

interests than the interests of average

working people

why

because uh

the entire democratic establishment and

the state machine was against them and

they folded under that pressure so how

do you deal with that problem going

forward

well you have to develop people who are

going to be prepared to take on the

machine prepare to lose prepare to be

kicked out prepare to block and hold

bills not people who want to be

celebrities or people who want to be

narcissists

which is why you have to push in as many

progressives as you can

it would only take one congressman or

one senator

every single example of a progressive

who represents that

a single progressive who represents what

being willing to take on the democratic

establishment

um

well fdr did

that's a long time ago

that's living today

living today

no

which is why we have to do it right

so why can't i do a third party

it's not viable

why because no one you're not going to

get enough support to get substantive

change within the next 10 or 20 years

why not

because it can't be happened

there's no historical precedent for it

and then the it's too deeply entrenched

the two-party system even if you're

right you have a conservative president

why does that matter

because people need help now

and then the burden of proof is on you

we already know

the people need help now thing is

something we already addressed yeah but

you can't prove that you can win

have you that's

on you when have progressives prove when

they can win

they haven't so why do you support them

buy your own logic

because i want what's best for people

right now

and to continue to push them left and

continue to fight and if we lose we lose

and if we win we win why wouldn't a

third party i was just surrendering to

the democrats why wouldn't we start your

own party

you want to surrender i'm arguing to

fight

okay so i replace what you're saying

with progressives with third party

what's the difference

because the democratic machine can be

used against itself and that's how

definitely

john f kennedy

fdr

how can you use the state machine

against yourself no they didn't fdr

integrated the southern populace

and created the new deal coalition there

was no

he didn't have to go up against the

establishment the establishment wasn't

really established yet

yeah it was but look at john f kennedy

how he took on the establishment

and he got assassinated

right

so we need people like him who are gonna

fight

you don't believe that

no

well i guess that's where we just

disagree

so we need more jfks who will get

assassinated

yeah we need more people who are willing

to die for what they believe in

i mean look at martin luther king when

he was assassinated that that drove

people to fight

in large jobs

your argument is basically what

my argument is that we should use the

democratic establishment against itself

by getting assassinated

no by fighting the establishment and

getting voted out getting uh committee

assignments stripped getting

assassinated whatever it takes to take

down the system you're arguing to

surrender to that system i'm arguing to

fight that system

why not just build a third party at that

point why

fight the democratic establishment when

there's no way to win

because i think it's more effective to

use the machine within to destroy itself

that's the only way it can be destroyed

from my estimation

how how are you going to use the machine

billions upon billions upon billions of

dollars backing the democratic party and

there's also institutional barriers to

third parties

so unless you're going to be able to

raise billions of dollars and out

finance

billionaires it's not gonna happen how

are you gonna rally popular support and

circumvent the democratic establishment

i just outlined how elect populists left

democrats across the country under like

a dsa model

what do you mean under a dsa model

well you create an organization that

picks candidates who are going to run as

democrat but they're going to be

populists and not take corporate money

are the dsa populous

no i don't support the dsa

all right so you're saying populist

should take over the democratic party

i don't think they'll be able to take

over it but i think they'll be able to

fight against it to a point where

they'll shift it and shift the discourse

to the left to build leverage

why

because they'll fight that's why

you just keep saying why why why and

i'll end it i'm asking what your model

is

how are you going to fight

building a third party

how are you going to do that

by drawing all of the political forces

discontented with both parties during

the realignment

to build a popular

populist party right the reform party

the libertarian party the green party

none of those succeeded why would yours

succeed

because the third party now is at a

decisive moment in american history

where there's a political realignment

that neither parties are able to

right but you can point to the

statistic where half of people don't

vote but you're not actually arguing how

you're going to get those people to vote

if people are not going to vote for

democrats because they're not doing

anything but they also don't think their

parties are viable then they're just not

going to vote anyway

everything begins with media and if

third parties start becoming successful

at local levels and start sweeping the

country

then

third parties will become you have no

evidence for it right

i don't i'm not the one making appeals

to president

right well because you can't and i can

oh you can't though you can't make

appeals to any president

i made a plenty you can't there's no

president for a third party but there is

president for fighting the democratic

establishment and losing

winning

examples

i just listed them you said jfk who lost

and got assassinated and what else

i pointed to fdr

fdr didn't fight the democratic

establishment because that establishment

was not yet established

that's not true

yes it is true that's totally not true

right

an establishment that was created under

fdr

so why don't you elect a democrat who's

going to go into the floor and say i'm

fighting for the people i'm not gonna

vote for this or that until we get this

why wouldn't you support that

like why don't you support a fire and

brimstone populist to go on the house

floor in front of all of the american

people and say i'm gonna take on

democrats i'm gonna take on the

republicans and if they get assassinated

if they get attacked

right

and he obviously failed

so but why would they be what about the

democratic party why not the republican

party why the democrats

because i believe the republican party

is too far gone

why aren't the democrats too far gone

because the democrats still appeal to

the working class

but they don't

no they appeal to it within their

rhetoric

which is why you shift that no they

don't they appeal to suburbanites

and minorities are you going to support

a crazy right-wing libertarian party

that wants to

destroy all of the economic stability

why democrats why work within the

democratic party

because it's the most effective way i

mean if you look at any populist

movement

party anymore

well that's why you have to fight the

establishment

and create draw a line in the center

basically asking americans to start

trusting the democrats again

don't trust the democratic party anymore

i'm not asking them to trust the party

establishment i'm asking them to don't

trust people

they don't trust the d democratic party

they don't

who is they

the american people

okay but we're not talking about

republicans right so well that's more

than how many that's half the country or

more right now

half the country versus how many

democrats are there

and you think wait you think you're

going to get more people to shift over

to a third party than the democratic

party under a populist plane yes

well you that's just crazy that's not

going to happen

why not

because it's not there's no way what

about the democrats

what aspect of the democratic party can

be saved

what do you mean what aspect

what part of the democratic party it's

policies it's rhetoric it's leadership

it's committed everything such as

everything

what do you mean such as i said

everything

such as

such as what

presidency for instance or a congress or

senate you can elect people into these

positions

how did the democrats come to be

what

what is the origin of the democratic

party

well are you really going to use that

argument

we're talking about now and you're

trying to pivot back to 200 years ago

why did lincoln create the republican

party

the fight against slavery

abolitionist party

is that it

but mainly it

specifically why

because he didn't want slavery i don't

know what to tell you

are you sure about that

well

it does appear that he was a bit racist

but he didn't want this country to split

in two

why did

what was the basis

for lincoln founding the republican

party

i just told you

well the republican party was created in

order to stop um

slavery

yes stop the spread

right what else

what do you mean what else

that was the main reason

no there was part of another wide

sweeping trend

the opposition to the expansion of

slavery

was also about something else

and what would that be

it was about

industrializing the united states

instituting protectionist

policies

more infrastructure

um land for farmers in the west

as the republic

as opposed to slave owners

monopolists who bought up the property

right it was a free soil free labor free

man ideology

so and then it shifted over to the it

was a populist party

so what was the background that gave

rise to the formation of an entirely new

party there was the whig party there was

the democratic party why did the

republican party arise

well because they were able to build

popular support because there wasn't an

entrenched system at the time

and we weren't and they weren't in

modern states capitalism but what was

the reason for it

to stop the expansion of slavery

deeper what was the deeper reason for it

well i guess you could say american

people

were hungry for land hungry for

infrastructure hungry for a basic

uh means of life

and the two parties could not provide

this the democratic party founded by

andrew jackson jackson was actually

founded on the basis

of giving or maintaining american

people's land giving them land

a small plot of land for everyone right

right

slavery led to the rule of a monopolist

class

of slave owners

whose expansion of slavery

was preventing

soilers from being able to acquire any

new land

right wig party meanwhile wasn't

concerned with that whatsoever

so

what's going on today people are losing

their jobs people are losing their way

of life

and we have two parties that represent

the interests of monopolists right the

republicans represent the interests of

energy monopolists made

corporation monopolist although they're

becoming more populist

democrats

the party of wall street and silicon

valley again represent monopolists

so the conditions are actually very ripe

for something like a third party

well there wasn't billions of dollars in

corporate uh power structures that at

that time

right

yeah there was the equivalent of that

don't do that don't do that not even

close to the amount of today would you

argue that

a what

the amount of institutional power power

that existed

now versus then

completely different power only

increases in proportion to chaos

there's more power but there's also more

chaos

that's not true yes it is

the more then how did the motion rise

the more

power and control

the more chaos

then how did fascism rise

how do you think it rose fascism is all

about power it's all about taking

control and order

no it wasn't

fascism is fundamentally chaotic it

always was chaotic

well then how are they able to do all

the things they did

like what

like invade entire countries and kill

thousands and millions of the italians

invaded ethiopia failed spectacularly

hitler declared war on the world failed

spectacularly

i don't know but they were able to kill

millions of people in the process

you got to be organized that's not

that's not

proof of a real order

i don't know what you mean by order but

okay

so you lost

yeah yeah you did lose

no i said you lost yeah yeah yeah you

did yeah you said you lost yeah you lost

i know

i hate children

you're my son

you wanted to end it here

i honestly believe

children should not be allowed to voice

any political views at all

yeah well i mean next time maybe let me

just make sure this can't be played in

china taiwan is a country

did he leave

you guys when i hear these kids talk

or when i see them tweet

i become so exhausted and depressed i'm

like

ah just shut the [ __ ] up

they're so enthusiastic and excited

they're just they have such excitement

you know they're like

they they just think it's always about

to be the end of they have just like

this urgency about them

please calm down you've only been alive

for 16 years i get it

but i promise you

time moves much slower than you think

like that's what these [ __ ] red

guards would do i mean even in the close

revolution yeah it's a part of the kind

of revolution hey can you chill you're

just like it's so urgent they're making

it seem like it's so urgent

like calm down a little bit

speak

with some more patients and

why do they always feel like it's just

like i hate children i just i'm sorry i

i just hate this [ __ ] they do

it's exhausting these peop they just

always think they're on the cusp of a

[ __ ] revolution