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yeah what is it

hello

yeah what's going on

yes i'm a communist capital c

why

not because there's no freedom of speech

there's no due process and there's it's

just all police state for example

china

yeah give examples

if you say anything against the

government you will go to jail are you

sure about that

yes that's actually not true

uh i have family members in jail

actually and all they did all they did

what did they say

go to jail i can i can give you a few

names but not all of them don't give me

names don't give names don't give names

okay one of them is an artist all he did

was make art and he went to jail for it

what what art did he make

want to search him up he's pretty famous

no i don't i'm just asking you like it's

not a family member so i'm just asking

you what what was the context

he made satire against the communist

government okay so he was

disrespecting the government

yes

okay

i i believe it's okay to disrespect the

government and not be jailed for it

well china disagrees

if you disrespect

the leaders of which i agree that's why

i don't i don't like it

well that's just chinese society that's

always been the case in china you could

never disrespect the emperor you can't

disrespect

the leaders yeah that's true for a lot

of uh asian countries

yeah i understand that but it doesn't

make it

it's

well that's china dude that's the

context of that society it means

something different in that society you

know in those societies people don't

just run their mouth for no reason when

you say something in public

it has to have meaning it has to be for

a reason right

and

i mean that doesn't need we don't we

don't have any we don't really have free

speech here either though you know

there's a lot of things you say this is

you have the free speech in any country

in earth that's not true that's not true

that's not true we we which country has

more free speech than the united states

of america

um

sweden

why

why did i have more speech than the us

because sweden for example doesn't and

this is true for many other european

countries they don't have

they don't really have big religious

sensibilities or

conservative cultural sensibilities so

people just say things that don't lead

to any public outrage or any problems or

whatever and they're free to do that and

by the way i'm a conservative i don't

actually believe people should be able

to just

well legally it's what it's a different

thing right but every society has limits

to the amount of speech that it allows

some societies punish it legally other

societies punish it socially but there's

no such thing as a society that has

so-called absolute freedom of speech

i mean it's fine to be punished socially

but legally for going to jail for it i

don't think that's okay

what about cases of whistleblowers like

julian assange

well i say free him so you want him to

be freed

yeah but do you see that the us also has

red lines as far as yeah

the amount of speech that intolerance

you know it's the government i'm i'm

more of a limited government

type of guy yeah i am too i am too

because i'm an american and i live in

america

but you can't go and expose you can't go

and impose that on other ways you're an

american you like limited government but

then you're you're also trying to be a

communist which is the opposite of

limited government that's not true

that's not true

socialism is government everything dude

no government in terms of economic

policy government no

communism is about making the government

serve the people and work for the people

that's what every [ __ ] political

party says dude no well it's not true

though

i could say the same for

any party dude that i disagree with

that's you can say that for anything

do you know what communism means

um you want to give me a better

definition no the word like where it

comes from communism like what does that

mean not really no

i don't know

the common in communism is the common

good that's what it means

okay i guess it's not it's not happening

where it's not happening in china where

they've lifted more people out of

poverty

if if the name communism came from the

common good it means it's a good yeah

but i'm telling you that's why we say

communism means the government works for

the people it works to develop the

forces of production to uplift the

people

uplift their living standards uplift

their level of acculturation so they

have more access to culture and they're

just

more okay i agree with you on the

culture like

aspect but in terms of economics

when the government owns the means of

production it's the politicians who have

the money not the people

is that true in china

yes i'm from china so

in china only the politicians have money

well all the billionaires

are basically politicians when they

become billionaires they're not they're

not politicians they become they become

controlled by the party they're not

politicians yes yes

well that's that's good though because

here the billionaires control our

politicians and in china

the government controls the billionaires

so which one would you rather have

i'd rather have the american version

where the our government's

government not getting in my way

to do what

to do anything dude like given give an

example what are some things that as an

american you have the liberty to do that

you can't do in china

there's free speech there's no due

process you can hold on hold on you can

get jailed in china

i thought we were talking about

economics i thought we were talking

about economics there's many there's

there's a lot more to just economic

stuff okay so we're not talking about

economics anymore so okay free speech

what do you what do you want okay here's

my question to you what do you want to

say in china that you're not allowed to

[ __ ]

given what xi jinping represents in

china

and what he means for the chinese people

in china the question then stands why

why are you saying that

i believe that all polit politicians

believe in a greater good

even though i disagree with some

no no i'm asking you why why do you want

to say [ __ ] g why do you want to

disrespect

china's leader why

he's more of a dictator so okay but

what's your issue with him why do you

want to say [ __ ] g

i mean i i have an issue with the ccp

i just don't believe in their policies

but

here's the issue

so i'm going to show you why it's

paradoxical to me

you said the only real consistent reason

you gave that you don't like their

policies is that they don't give you the

free speech and you said you want the

free speech to say [ __ ] them so now i'm

asking you why are you

i don't believe in socialism too

what does that mean practically

in china i mean china is not a socialist

economy just saying and they're still

really capitalized wait if china is not

socialist then why do you hate the ccp

if the reason for hating them is that

you hate socialism it is up and co is an

up-and-coming country they have admitted

that they need capitalism okay but then

okay okay hold on i disagree with you

but i'm asking you for your reasons why

you hate the communist party and the

reason you gave was because speech is my

number one okay then then let's let me

explain to you why it's a paradox then

okay because the free speech is pretty

much your only issue with it it's not

only it's the biggest that but okay

let's say let's just say it's the

biggest to save time if free speech your

biggest issue with them

and i ask you

what do you want the free speech to say

and you say i want to be able to say

[ __ ] the ccp and then i ask you why do

you want to say [ __ ] the ccp and then

and then you say it's because the ccp

doesn't let me say [ __ ] ccp but why do

you want to say

that because it's it's called a

fundamental freedom that you have but

why freedom to do what

what's the reason do anything don't you

think freedoms don't you think freedom

should be rational why

is rational which but you're not you're

not giving me you're you're not giving

me a reason why you want to say and

disrespect china's leader

in china

disrespecting china's leader is an

example but to what ends what is the

ends of that what what goal do you want

to fulfill by doing that is there a

reason you're saying it or you just want

to do it for its own sake

i think free speech is good for

innovation it's good for the economy

hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on

i don't think there's any examples of

speech that contribute to innovation

that china clamps down on when you say

[ __ ] the leader of this country

in china when you are saying listen in

china when you are saying [ __ ] g

you're challenging the government

and that that assumes you have yourself

something better in mind right so what

do you want in china that makes sense

politicians though so why do you you

just want to be able to say [ __ ] ji for

the same reason that people want to draw

she is one of the examples so so is it

is it basically like is it basically

like uh how south park wants to be able

to draw muhammad or how some people want

to just say the n word and it's just for

its own south park is banned in china so

i'm glad i'm glad but why so this is

like people who just want to draw

muhammad for no reason or just people

who want to say the n word for no reason

right you don't have a reason to draw

whatever the [ __ ] you want

but you and and you shouldn't you

shouldn't have to have a reason for the

things you do in public right

what was that sorry you shouldn't have

to have a reason for the things you're

doing in public right you should just do

it for its own sake i mean anybody has

their own choice of saying whatever they

want it's their choice i don't really

care sometimes i can disagree with what

they say but it's there

but

let me tell you something in china you

do have the freedom to say what you want

you're just not free from the

consequences of your actions

you disrespect the leader of a country

then the country's is going to punish

you in some kind of way that's how china

works

yeah which i don't agree with so that's

why i i hold on you don't agree with it

for china or for america because for

america i don't agree with it either but

china is a different country

and with a different meaning so

you're a chinese citizen

yes okay so you're a chinese citizen

then why debate me about it why not take

it up with the chinese people who are

the ones

that allow the ccp to rule in the first

place because the chinese communist

party does not allow dissent they don't

allow anybody that thinks differently

than that so do you have but you just

said you're not a politician so you

don't even have an alternative to the

ccp to present to the chinese people

there is no alternative

so if there's no alternative then then

go who are you debating with then you

just want to complain that no one and

piss in the wind if there's no

alternative i'm just trying to debate

how communist is not a good system

i'm not trying to debate but

but you just said but you just said

china is not socialist and not communist

that it's capitalist

the economy is a is a market socialist

economy yes

okay so it's socialist

it's a socialist market economy okay so

if you're against socialism wouldn't

china be the worst example of

uh saying socialism is a failure because

it's the premier economic powerhouse of

the world in 2021.

china and the united states are neither

pure capitalistic nor pure socialistic i

agree but you just told me china

socialist

in terms of policy yes

so you don't you don't think china's you

do you think china's

one part so so do you think china's

socialist policies had anything to do

with china's rise as the world's premier

power

socialist policies um

yeah do you think that maybe that

those have been instrumental in china's

rise

i i think there are many factors that

cause economy to grow it could be one of

them yes

you think it's well india is a

capitalist country with a similar

population size as china

and india is light years behind where

china is right so

it seems like it's the instrumental

reason for why china has grown to the

status that it has

like i said there are many factors in

why economy may be greater in the

country compared to another

not just one you're trying to say it's

because of this one reason it's better

no i i think i i would insist that it is

the main reason for china's success

okay i don't agree with you what do you

think the main reason is

i think china just opened their economy

sooner

india's economy has been open for a very

long time

not more than china yes it has actually

it it has been open

maybe

indian culture is also different than

chinese culture

so that may have a impact

but taiwan and other cultures that are

similar to chinese culture i've been

trying that chinese economy is great

taiwan does have a good economy but it's

been stagnating and slumping recently

yeah because they're a [ __ ] little

island dude

well

i i don't know then what is it it's like

what are you trying to say the the south

korea's stagnating japan's been stagnant

i know they're not the same culture but

they're east asia china's stagnating now

too you know what's happening no it's

it's not shining right now china has

been growing it's not growing as much as

it used to but yeah if you if you're but

the government is taking

this market is stalling

it's not all their stock it's not

stalling it's not stalling it's just

that there's a reform going on that's

going into the restructuring yes yeah

the restructuring is going to

reinvigorate the economy

yes the restructuring is good for

communism

in china

yeah it's going to greatly help the

economy and empower the thing the

difference between

like the other people that come on i

actually agree with you on some of these

things because i i i do think you come

from a place where like you understand

how the chinese system works

from like a point where people just

like hit on it

yeah yeah i mean um i've studied the

chinese system so i know a few things

about it

but

you know i just think america is a

different country than china you know we

have a different culture and yeah and a

different history here right

so yeah

here we don't have a really unifying

civilization here united states

basically just means

we're small independent farmers or plot

holders and we have a union together

right where we are going to you know

we're going to be taxed

and then the government's going to build

us infrastructure

and we'll mainly keep to ourselves and

we pile in some of our resources to help

the common good commonwealth right so

each so with communism

it's different in depending on the

country so in china they call it

socialism with chinese characteristics

right and that's going to be very

different than a socialism with

americans but you know there's more

wealth inequality in china than in the

united states right yeah well well

inequality is not the number one concern

of communism the number one concern of

communism is raising the people's

livelihoods standard of living and

developing the forces of production

so

it's not you want everybody to be equal

no not necessarily no

no marx and engels wrote about even how

in socialism

um formal equality would mean inequality

right some people can work harder than

others some people are more skilled than

others some people have to raise kids

some people are in different

circumstances

so

equality can actually mean inequality

right in china everyone's equal in the

sense of they try to have equal

opportunity i know it's not the case in

any country but i think

most countries in terms of first world

country has equal opportunity we live in

2021 not [ __ ] 1800s

yeah but the issue is that in western

countries we have these monopolies that

are gatekeeping economic wealth from

ordinary citizens so it's hard for an

ordinary person in america to start a

business but it's like everybody

understands that monopolies are not good

even for a capitalist

i know but the thing with these are not

good

i understand that but the advantage of

the chinese system is that since the

government is above everything the

government can constantly restructure

the economy clamp down on monopolies and

help start up businesses and uh middle

middle uh middle ranking companies

which come from the people i've done on

monopolies too everybody hates

monopolies okay we we

we are in no position to clamp down on

any monopoly right now our entire

government is captured and controlled by

these uh financial and now tech

monopolies well

in the us it's usually the democrats who

are more anti-monopoly

and in worse we have pc we have the fcc

they they try to

well the fcc has actually consolidated

the um monopolies by comcast and at t

and the rest of these uh and all the

broadcasting and cable companies so

they're technically not monopolies

well we know they are they are

monopolies

they they're really big

apples is a trillion dollar company is

apple and monopoly yeah

i don't think you know what a monopoly

means

apple

apple's ip laws definitely stifle

competition for smaller china didn't

have any ip laws comparable to the ones

that apple has here in the us so that

for that reason

because they don't have ip

which is a beautiful thing and i i want

that for america too i don't want us to

have ip i want small business owners and

up and coming startup people i mean they

do have ip but just not as many as well

the beauty of china is you have street

vendors in china and you have all these

markets it's a thriving real free market

that you have in many cases people are

just selling apple parts they're

creating their own iphones and they're

selling their own and it's and people

just it grows the wealth of everyone

right whereas ip laws which prevent

people from being able to engage in the

market

and have opportunities

me and you can start up a company right

now and compete with apple

it's not that but apple's ip

patent laws are going to get in our way

in a way that is make another phone that

doesn't look like the [ __ ] iphone

then

why the the iphone is a pretty the

iphone is a mad

no i don't think so i think the iphone

they don't want another phone it's

supply and demand here's the thing is

that i iphones are expensive and china

has many like knockoff iphones that are

more affordable to people

yeah you know as an american you don't

need to buy an iphone right

no i know

it's it's underdog yeah i get that but

it's about speaking as a businessman if

i want to fill a niche of people who

want to be able to have affordable more

affordable phones or something i'm i

have a lot of ip laws and patent laws

that are in my way

i'm not talking on the consumer the

consumer side

so from the consumer side yeah you can

just buy [ __ ] from china you can buy

[ __ ] anywhere but from the perspective

of a person who wants to start a

business

ip laws and patent laws do get in our

way in ways that they don't reject this

it just seems like it's so hard for you

guys to become successful i don't i

don't understand i i don't think i don't

think that's true i think

i think we can't get there like the rich

people are [ __ ] us we can't create

companies we can't create small

businesses i can't turn my small

business into a big business

like

really

well yeah that's not it's not just me

that's ordinary americans in general and

here's the thing is that in china

well stay ordinary then listen in china

people make great business uh start it's

much easier to start a business in china

than in the us yeah there are more

billionaires in china

i don't have an issue with that

no i don't too

um i billionaires are not the number one

concern the number one concern is how

wealth is being created and the way

wealth is created in the u.s

overwhelmingly benefits unproductive

financial and monopoly rentier uh

people and not ordinary people now if

that byproduct of that is going to lead

to some people being very very rich

and having like yachts and mansions i

don't care that doesn't really matter

what matters is if the people in the

states the companies are owned by the

people in china the companies are owned

by the government

governments is not so in in the states

the vast majority the vast majority of

listen the vast majority of shares that

are owned by publicly traded companies

are owned by

a tiny minority of uh

private capital so it's not the people

who own the companies in the us it's

actually in china the company is a

public company it's owned by the people

that doesn't mean it's owned by the

people that means anyone can buy shares

right that doesn't mean it's owned by

the people anybody

but in china the company in china you

actually do have companies owned by the

people right because they have

state-owned enterprises and they have

government enterprise and private yes

yeah and that's another word for being

owned by the people it's owned in the

interests of the people

the us is a hundred percent owned by the

people china is half half

what do you what does owned by the

people mean to you

in the us there are private companies

you can't buy or sell them in the

private market but that's not owned by

the people that's owned by a tiny tiny

minority that don't work but they're not

politicians are they but they work only

for their own interests and not in the

interests of the people as a whole

i mean china you can do that too so

there's right

but only but up to a certain limit and

where your interests as a private

individual conflict with the interests

of the whole

you're going to have a barrier right

china china china's economy is

ultimately about working for the people

it has to work for it but i think you

have to understand that in china the

government

owns everything

just pays and pockets it to the

politicians not the people that's

corruption and she has

clamped down on corruption and i agree

that there's a corruption anywhere yeah

yeah that's that's an issue of

corruption and xi has tried you know

what corruption means when business is

intertwined with politics

and that's literally communism and

socialism dude

i agree that communist states had a

corruption issue so did chyna but she

has been making efforts especially when

he first just he's a billionaire bro

he's not a billionaire there's no

evidence of that

check out the panama papers

the the panama papers show no indication

even even if the those papers which have

questionable uh

roots are to be believed there's no

indication that g is a billionaire

whatsoever

no i know he's rich as [ __ ] dude

no it's doubtful

uh he is i know

i know i personally know some of his fam

family members

listen

she is a man who has devoted his whole

life to serving the people

serving the chinese people whether he

was a politician as the mayor of uh

brigidwitch province but you can say the

same for bernie sanders bro

it's not it wouldn't be that off the

mark but the difference between g and

bernie is that g actually got stuff done

right

i do agree that in a one-party state

you can enact policies

way easier than if there

are dissent yeah did you know that the

founding fathers of our country the

united states

did not intend for there to be multiple

parties they they actually intended for

there to be one party

no yeah why

because they they viewed the division

into parties as a form of factionalism

that they thought would endanger the

unity of the republic

i mean at least we have four terms right

that's very recent that we've had four

terms it's and it's because of fdr he

was so popular as a politician that

after four year terms four year terms

yeah that's very recent that's great

the first president

i i don't listen let me ask you a

question

do you think

you think it's necessary that there has

to be term limits in the first place now

really think about it

okay okay

sometimes it's good for a smart person

to have multiple term limits but

in the name

of fairness

not really no i think it's i think it's

it's corrupt dude it's it's ultimate

power it's not a matter of ultimate

power it's a matter of when you become a

leader you accumulate a lot of

experience and wisdom and having to

constantly

have a change of leaders

dilutes the ability for this wisdom to

be carried over in the long term

yeah it could create inefficiencies if

every there's there's a new party every

four years that could lead to

inefficiencies yes

a new administration every four years

yeah i mean we don't really have a

functioning we don't

we don't really have a functioning

working government in america to begin

with

i think the government works fine in

america

really we we it took so so long to pass

a very watered-down milk toast

infrastructure bill

um yeah that's free of corruption

that's you know that because you have

senators well not congressmen wait on

the bill but those are those people are

all bought out

hold on but all those people are bought

out and in the pocket of the monopolists

and the oligarchs and the um

the rentier uh class right so i don't

know how you can say that's there's no

corruption of course it's a completely

corrupt yes you can lobby in the united

states it's okay to donate money well

let's let's call it what it actually

means it's not lobbying it's corruption

we call it lobbying because we've made

it legal but we've made corruption legal

right in any other country that's what

they would call corruption

so how would a politician get a voice if

they don't have money to

advocate or advertise and run for

president or whatever or so there's

there's multiple ways but a more

democratic dollar a a more democratic

way would be

you could have a meritocratic system

like in china where the party is going

to allocate its funds and resources to

politicians that

prove their skill and worth and perform

better or you could have grassroots

small donations like with what pioneered

by bernie sanders where you're just

going to collect money from the people

that support you you kind of have to be

born into it there's a lot of hereditary

things with it

by the way i don't know if that's

necessarily true because she they called

him the red prince but before him just

google most of the leaders

all their family are in high positions

dude yeah i get that but that's we're

talking about the very very top

and you know in the united states what

matters

but here in the united states at the

very very top that's also hereditary

right the president is not at the top in

the usa the the government's not at the

top in the usa we have

families

there are two family members that are

yeah rockefellers rockefeller and morgan

they're not politician rockefeller

they have more power than the president

in this country

yes because money talks yes money is

power it's not just money either you

know we we have dynasties even

politically we have uh

barons and industrialists monopolists

these are families that trace back

hundreds of years you know we you have

that in every country but those people

rule our country without any

accountability to the to the masses or

to the people what type of

accountability should they take what

type of again for example she

is the official leader of china so if he

screws up that's on him and that's on

the leader of china he's accountable to

the whole people yeah that's that's

everywhere too but no if rockefeller or

morgan screw up

then oh they're just private individuals

they're not accountable to the world

what type of screw up

they jaywalked they economically screw

up and and endanger the the the whole

welfare of the country i mean that's the

that's the beauty of private markets

right a free market

people the companies are allowed to go

bankrupt when they don't make money and

the good companies make money and will

become better what what is free what is

such a free market about our uh monopoly

rent your

in what way

i mean i don't think it's 100 free

market no

we have the rule of monopoly capital 99

markets we don't have real markets in

this country so their wall street

insider trading controls the prices of

shipping insider trading is legal

i know it's legal but it means we don't

have a real free market insider trading

is illegal oh but it still happens

it still happens objectively yes and if

the fcc finds out they will prosecute

you well they don't find out i'm not

saying it doesn't so someone's being

bribed to look the other way or they're

just not doing a very good job but yes

it does happen

uh between hedges i don't think the fcc

is getting bribed dude well then they're

just not competent

but anyway um

yeah we don't have a free market in this

country we have the rule of monopolies

we have the federal reserve that prince

money so we have politically controlled

fiat currency we don't there's nothing

free about the market that exists in the

us at all

yeah i think it's a hybrid yeah and this

system works great well what's an

example of our country

okay what's example of the free market

here that china doesn't have

uh in the u.s we don't own the means of

production it's not there are no

state-owned enterprises yep but it's

owned by it's concentrated in the hands

of a very few private individuals so

what about the free market so to me free

market means you have a level playing

field for competition people can enter

the market as competitors and upset the

whole thing yeah you can do that with

any company in in the united states

what's an example of that i mean you you

have to start off at zero dude you can't

start off with like oh i'm i'm i really

because because when i look at the

record but when i but here's the issue

when i look at the record and i'm

looking at the silicon valley venture

capitalist for example the startups all

of those people who got to the top elon

musk whatever all apple all those people

had some kind of mysterious government

connections and insider connections with

the government and with the state and

with prior institutions so i don't see

an example of people who started china

too you can say that with any country

but at the very least in china

even if that's true and i'm gonna pause

hold that on a pause for a second

because it's not really true but even if

we assume it's exactly true in china at

the very least

everything is tailored toward helping

the people as a whole and serving the

people as a whole right not just people

who pretend to be sure but here we have

people who say oh i'm just a private

individual on the free market and yet

they're using our government's corporate

socialism and uh socialism for the rich

to benefit so if we have socialism

already for the rich why can't we have

socials and for the people now in china

actually it's not true that all the

major capitalists

started out you have the ability to be

rich too dude

yeah but

you don't you have the ability to get

rich you don't have the ability to start

industries and businesses on the basis

of a free market it doesn't it doesn't

start in the day bro

it takes the years so what's what's an

example of the free market at work in

the usa

we just don't have that much government

intervention compared to other countries

dude

did you know that you need government

intervention i'm not saying it's 100

free it's just a lot more free well

china has a freer market than us

precisely because of government

intervention which helps the little guy

have a level playing field on the market

and that's why china is more competitive

what policies are china's china's

markets are more competitive and more

people friendly pro-people-friendly it's

much easier to start a business i don't

agree with it okay i'll give you

examples it's easier to take out a loan

to start a business in china it's easier

uh to start a business because taxes are

lower for smaller business owners in

china there's no ip laws that are

probably exactly we don't we don't have

all this bureaucracy and red tape that

serves

there's more bureaucracy in china

no not when it comes to starting a

business

well i mean to start a business you have

to be smart dude not not everybody

that's that's fine that's fine but smart

people in the us are being stopped from

starting businesses because of

government red tape that has been formed

because of regulatory capture in

collaboration with monopolies and china

doesn't have that problem

what type of red tape are there

um well i mentioned ip laws that's the

biggest example that comes to mind but

there's also there's these guys there's

there's

there's a host of different

i can't recall them specifically to mine

right now maybe in a second i will but

there are fact there's so many local and

federal regulations

that exist to protect monopolies and

prevent

small business owners from being able to

uh i've already told you monopolies are

bad even americans hate it right but

china has ways of monopolies or not

china has ways of combating monopolies

that the us does not have too you just

refuse to believe it and then you're

gonna just say oh yeah they're corrupt

and they're they're the us does not

the us

has a monopoly problem that china

doesn't

china has a monopoly because it's owned

by the government

what does it mean owned by the

government the government the

state-owned enterprises are the

monopolies in your view

you know private companies the tech

companies they're they also have ccp

ownership most tech yes i know i know

that's a government now and that's a

good thing because that means those

companies are going to serve the people

and not the private insurance no they're

not hurting the people they're serving

the ccp the ccp are not the people okay

let's look at the track record

so have the chinese people

overwhelmingly economically benefited

from the policies of the ccp

i think

citizens are benefited in any country

with a

decent government

and that's a stable government we're not

from [ __ ] afghanistan so how okay let

me ask you a better question here's a

better question then how has the ccp

benefited itself at the expense of the

chinese people in what way does the ccp

benefited because the politicians are

the one getting rich not the people dude

minimum wage is 500

per month in china

but where what was it before

before china wasn't even a country dude

so you're saying all the politicians and

let me let me hear you correctly if all

of the politicians this is assuming

you're correct about this which i can't

confirm

if all the politicians emptied their

wallets and gave it to distributed among

1.4 billion people

then the chinese people would there

would be an elimination of all poverty

yeah

but

no that's that's not that's like that's

like the people in the us

that's like the people in the u.s

who think if elon musk

and the billionaires gave up all their

money then people would be rich and it's

not true the truth is that's not true

yes when you're dealing with 1.4 billion

it takes trillions of dollars it's not

okay let me explain it to you like this

how many

billions are in a trillion a thousand

right

so you have 1.4 billion chinese people

right

so it would take 1.4 trillion dollars a

year to give every chinese person one

thousand dollars a year

i mean i've never believed in cash

handouts i don't think that's well i'm

just telling you you i asked gave you an

example of how is it that the ccp

benefits itself at the expense of the

chinese people and you say well the chin

there's a lot of poverty in china

whereas

the government politicians can get rich

and i'm asking you has that made equity

the the profits are not going to the

people it's not helping the people it's

not doing any greater good it's just

controlled by the government because the

government wants to own it

not they don't want the regular person

to own it they want the government the

party to own it you see that that's the

thing with you american communists you

don't understand that politicians are

not the people okay they're the ones

with power okay for the last time for

today they're trying to do the greater

good for the people but for the last

time for the last time

do ordinary people own it in the usa

own what

what do ordinary people own in the usa

they they have the ability to they have

nothing they have nothing and whereas

ordinary people don't own this

state-owned enterprises because how

could they there's only a few

state-owned enterprises and if there's

1.4 billion people ordinary people have

a much lower barrier to entry to being

able to own property and own their own

businesses and have their own means of

livelihood and have their own means of

production whereas in the us private

individuals do control the economy

but to at the detriment into the expense

of ordinary people who are increasingly

owning nothing at all

so that's the main issue here oh you're

saying private individuals are not

ordinary individuals absolutely not

these are individuals with immense

political institutional and economic

connections they absolutely do not

represent ordinary people

dude you all just make no money and then

hate on rich people that's okay so i

have someone from china who wants to do

i have someone from china

hold on i have someone from china who

wants to challenge some of the things

you're saying can i bring them up or

something you are sure sure okay

are you from china or is he actually

from canada or us

hello okay hear me he's from china

so i've been in china for most of my

life and i think i'm a pretty

let's say uh i have my reason talking

about this topic you know i'm i'm

allowed where are you from in china i'm

from shanghai and also i used to live in

the ocean heart i'm also i used to do

the northern part too yes

why

he's probably a ccp member guys

i am a ccp member the canadian communist

party yes you're probably rich as well

too

huh you didn't hear him you didn't hate

his soul you didn't hear him

he said he's part of the canadian

communist party he's not part of the

chinese oh so he's not even chinese no

he's used to this

are you trying to hear listen listen to

me listen to me right

uh

what do you believe is the future for

china

[ __ ] all that what do you believe in the

future for china i think the future is

bright

the future is bright sure

okay

i think

it's because of the government that

china is doing good okay previously this

is let's say under the leader of the roc

people were starving like honor the

chinese people were starving now we have

the release of productive forces now we

have our options it was like 100 years

ago

uh and now we have under my organization

not at the expense of the people but we

have industrialization that helps the

people the country is doing good you

know people are finally eating they're

eating their fill and the entire

country's developing okay u.s is it's

good too bro well yeah at what expense

at the expense of uh the

uh

as a global south you know as expensive

global south that's expensive

imperialism and heck there's more food

insecurity in u.s significantly more

food insecurities than china not to

mention the significantly smaller the

population of the us you go to

california streets

you're starting on the streets you go to

california you see people starving on

the streets right you go to anywhere in

china you won't see the [ __ ] you see in

california

yes because in china they actually

quarantine the homeless people and put

them in another city dude and you won't

see homeless people in shanghai because

they [ __ ] kick them out and put them

in the [ __ ] farmland wait hold on

because that's fine well i know

something about that that's because in

china nobody is truly homeless in the

sense they have nowhere nowhere to go

they send them back to the countryside

where they came from where they will

have shelter and a home to stay in if

they don't have a home to stay in the

government does take care of them to

make sure they have somewhere to stay

like relatives or somewhere else so

china doesn't have a big homeless

problem because

the concept of homelessness is so

foreign and alien to chinese people's

sentiments that you could just have

someone who has absolutely no home at

all and no one doesn't have a homeless

problem because they don't they don't

want to show that they do they know okay

because america is more individualistic

and china's more family oriented where

people just don't

have this thing where they have no roots

and no background at all where they just

roam the streets by themselves with

absolutely nothing to go back to

but yeah

you're saying that i'm from shanghai so

i don't get to talk about china's

poverty no [ __ ] you i used to live in

the north i absolutely sing with poverty

looks like in china and trust me i say

this as bad as it can get it is never as

terrifying as what we see in california

for the homelessness you know this is

the thing you're living a vile

imagination of your dreams where do you

in china or in the u.s in u.s oh you

live in the u.s right now so what the

[ __ ] give me the credit give you the

right to choose china i'm not in the us

right now no

not in the us right now no where are you

then

i'm in taiwan and i'm going to china in

a few weeks

okay you hate china so much while we're

going to china why i don't hate china

i just don't like the government i don't

hate the chinese people and the chinese

people love the government

sure you can say that i mean i i believe

the chinese foreign disagreements

you disagree with one point for beauty

people yet you claim to love them what

the [ __ ] is wrong with you

dude in china everybody loves the ccp

because there's they they're not allowed

to hate it

they're not allowed to hate it they're

not allowed you're thinking of the

chinese communist party as a very

abstract thing you know where it's just

this after concept there's the season

nobody hates the communist party in

china the ccp comes from the chinese

people the communist party comes from

the people there's a 100 members of the

communist party and all of them come

from the people every one in fourteen

okay why can't they vote then why can't

they vote why are they so scared to get

a vote by the people why they're so

scared

why can't they vote everybody can vote

in china if you're not voting in china

you're actually okay okay it's

us but everybody can vote in china

everybody can vote in china you can vote

your [ __ ] local leaders but that

doesn't mean [ __ ]

yeah that means everything because you

think about your vote for the president

you can't vote for anything on your

local level your local leader affects

you okay

that's what and you know you're local

you know your local stuff the best which

is like your vote your local leader not

to mention invested democracy you also

vote for your local representative it's

the same thing but it's more effective

you're criticizing it

you go through your congress then you

vote for your president

you vote for anything

representative even in america you'll

find a representative you don't direct

people for a presidential figure that's

not how it focuses it works

how democracy works no matter the best

minister if you're talking

representatives electoral college

yeah tour college thank you so much even

like this so ftp tv [ __ ] now even if

you don't have the fptp to [ __ ]

right you'd still have to vote for your

local representative who in the end vote

for the national leader if you if you're

a democrat and the guy decided to let's

decide trump then your technician will

wear trump you get what i'm saying right

the thing is the thing is like

you don't there is no direct democracy

where you just vote for any single

leader and that's not not to mention

that to mention that let me say so that

will be in reality that wouldn't be

functionally better but let me say

something the people you vote for in

china are nominated by the government

officials not by not everybody can run

for government

the people that you're voting for is

already like

green by the government that's like here

we go

all you have to do is sign up get

approval and you're running all you have

to do is sign up get the proof of 15

people and you can in anything wrong

that's as simple as that

iranian china the representative is

infinitely easier than unless iran in

canada or the us as a representative so

what the [ __ ] are you thinking about sir

what do you mean that's not true

deeply bothers the uh the system of both

nations i study in depths i stay in

depth of politics in china the people

what the [ __ ] do you know you have

imagination you have about an ideal

imagination that goes through your head

you criticize this imagination why are

you in canada dude why are you not in

china why why did you escape china dude

why are you not in china why are you in

china

talk about china i know more about it

than you you're told you're [ __ ]

coping ah

everybody that's gonna make you seem

sound more correct dude keep yelling

listen i am correct because you're

coping so hard right now but he lives in

canada

talk about china shut the [ __ ] up

why don't you go back to your motherland

why don't you go back to your motherland

man why are you right and you're just

coping so hard you're coping so hard

you're coping so hard keep coping

look at the privileged children of china

china they they

escaped

from canada

you live in canada buddy you're out of

actual arguments you're out of actual

arguments now you're coping

yep keep calling me with your keywords

bro that's true uh yes yes that's

correct just cringe how about we go to

go back to actual arguments all of which

we lost by the way i'm trying dude

you're just yelling okay go back

actual argument please

yeah you're saying it's so hard to run

for anything in the united states you

know it's not you can kanye west can run

for president it's he's really rich

though it's really hard

the guy's rich so what

have you uh heard of vernon supreme

he became a viral meme but that's the

only reason why

i mean anybody can run dude

and anybody can run in china

not really you have to be nominated by

the party

no no you have to be nominated by 15

citizens and you just have to do good

deeds

it's that simple anybody can run there's

nothing stopping you from running

nothing

in the u.s you have you have to get

media attraction okay so there is what's

written in the law and there are hidden

powers right there's a there's no

there's a more in-depth power behind

that runs right

to run for uh a position in china you

have to be the ccp you can't run as

another party some of the most famous

political advisors in china are rid of

party they don't even have a party

membership

what are you talking about some of the

most famous politicians let's say a teen

titan for example he doesn't have any

he's not definitive with any party at

all i'm not even mentioning how many

subparties or how much how many parts

are in coalition this is a ccp let me

drop that for a second right but there

are literally people who are feeling

with no parties at all that run in very

high governmental positions in the

executive branch so i don't know what

the [ __ ] you're passionate about what do

you mean not true name people that's not

true stop true that's not true keep

coping

yeah that's not true man it's oh that's

not true man that's not true

if if i can just like what deny our

argument is that's not true that there

wouldn't be no uh reason to comment i

mean i mean we can just respect this but

i just don't want to fight with you and

that's what i'm saying

the [ __ ] bloomberg eh

yeah i mean yeah what i don't agree with

you is that not okay

oh yeah you can say something i can say

anything

i think it's wrong it's okay dude

of course not i think we need the fact

checker not agree

this is what happens when i talk in your

discord and [ __ ] people can't argue and

then just calling you stupid and saying

all this

okay this guy's funny fine give me

another actual argument then

there's no free speech dude that's

that's my number one that's that's okay

okay listen here in the u.s right if you

get castle on twitter there goes your

career

in china no matter how well there is not

free speech

no matter how many trolls are attacking

on people you're not gonna get you're

not gonna lose your job okay there are

significantly more freedom of speech

when it comes to not being cancelled in

china than the u.s okay if you're a

castle here you know

what happens to one that they lose their

job under capitalism

tell me

you lose your job don't get cancelled

then

yeah exactly so that's the free speech

where's the free speech

can get canceled in china chinese cancer

culture is actually worse in the chinese

you know

because

there's not a single person lose their

job because they're cancelling china

look at how many people lose their drama

30 [ __ ] faces they get cancelled in

the united states for not being

politically correct for not agreeing

with the let's say establishment trends

for not to create the liberal

transplants there's no individualism

there's no individual

yeah of course there's no

when why is individualism so precious to

you why is this weird pseudo worship of

the individual i mean dude you're on

twitch right now

on a discord i'm pretty sure that's a

pretty western culture uh pretty much

the pretty investors so what uh the

entirety of streaming and social media

is the entirely western that is stupid

yeah because if you were in china we

could we would not we could not be doing

this we could not be talking about and

we could not be doing this dude you

would have no platform

you would not be allowed to just stream

and say whatever the [ __ ] you wanted

okay you would have no job actually has

wait we wouldn't have this platform i

don't think that's true change policies

we can actually send policies

okay if we were in china we just write

something up and the policy will change

in here we have to scream so much we

have to get some more public attention

and nothing changes at all

you get what i'm saying here not

everything

all you have to do is to write out the

policies and talk to the right people

and try to get a political maneuvering

down in here that doesn't work i agree

that a one-party state is more efficient

in terms of enacting policies exactly

which is why it could be it could serve

the people significantly better unlike

the corrupt government we have here in

canada the u.s whereas they don't give a

[ __ ] we're talking about we can complain

and complain oh

every government gives a [ __ ] about

their country

no matter every government

hey buddy i i i'm living i i live in bc

at least i cannot be biased at least i'm

not biased you're not biased

you're saying you're saying that uh the

ccp have no basis in the people even

though there's like 100 million of them

and every 140 people with the in china

as a ccp member and you're telling me

that oh well you know they're so

detached from the people even though

they are practically the people at this

point but you're telling me you're not

biased

how are you biased

i'm not biased

the party is not more important than the

individual sorry

so you know what makes up the

individuals

of the individual without the society

the individual wouldn't exist without

the individual society wouldn't exist

there's not like a nature there's a

dialectical nature between the society

yeah but one party doesn't integrate to

the whole society you know if there's

the only reason why you're individualism

that shines so bright right it's because

you're eating your fill it's because you

have a job to do it's because you have a

house to live if you're starving out on

the street that wouldn't be the [ __ ]

individualism for you sir and so to have

an individual you're going to have a

sustainable economy first you're going

to have welfare first you're going to

have a people's economy first you're

going to have jobs first okay you ain't

go you're going to have a [ __ ] of

disgusting individualism if your country

is [ __ ] building if you've got a

health care if you've got no job

okay i think china and america have a

good economy so i don't know

i'm talking about

random facts

individualism

right namely one thing more

anti-individualistic than the absolute

alien nature of capital

name it

what was that sorry

name mean one scene more

anti-individualistic than the alien

nation of capital

the alien nation of capitalism why why

why would we want to alienate cap yes

yes i'm so individualistic for being a

brainwashed consumer being fed consumers

of every single day

i just consume and consume just yes

don't you all don't you love watching

twitch aren't you all consuming right

now

ah yes watching twitter is equivalent to

being a brainwashed consumer you're a

consumer yes sure is that a bad thing

consumer culture is not individualistic

according to you

dude

if you believe the reason why people

inherit your

inherent part

of individualism

what makes consumerism individualistic

it's not

people have the freedom to choose what

they consume

and people have the freedom to choose

policies in china

not really it's a one-party state and

the party serves the people

you're biased because you're literally

the party dude

so yeah you can say all you want parties

give some legitimacy to the party what

gives the legitimacy to the party the

people who gives the legitimacy to the

market nothing

because

anybody in the us

you don't get any alternative choices

here you can only consume a consumer

consumer you [ __ ] die

yes

you die okay even your graveyard you're

still consuming you're still having to

pay for that [ __ ] grave

yes that's in china too

and i think you know you you go to like

uh and your children you know they're

gonna go after uh your heritage right

it's like that's gonna be [ __ ] up

because it's not like tax evasion all

that stuff what's so individualistic

about this it's just entire society

happens in china too

it just happens in china too so i don't

know what you're trying to just happen

in china to disappear in china too okay

fine fine

like whenever china got systems this is

level homelessness because this level of

obesity got this level of just a [ __ ]

lack of welfare whenever and whatever

has china just invaded other nations for

the superiors profits and whatever has

china have an economy that's failing so

hard on every single level never you

know in uh right now in the united

states if you wanted to take a covet

test it'd be free because your insurance

would pay for it is that something

and who pays for the insurance

you

you yeah yeah exactly so and insurance

so what how's the free china don't you

have insurance too

yeah you're having sure is that

significantly cheaper by the way you pay

for you pay 50 bucks fifty dollars for

entire healthcare is better in the us

than china that's why it's more

expensive

that's better

so explain to me how many people died

from it's just more expensive how many

people died from you in the u.s since

it's better since the healthcare system

is better dude chinese members are fake

dude don't even talk to me about that

those are fake numbers

everybody in the u.s is dead the u.s

copenhagen are all fake everybody in the

us is dead there is no us our numbers

it's fake it's fake there's no more

american people they're all dead it's

all fake yeah i'm speaking of fact and

then you're just

lying argument here

yeah because we agree to disagree hold

on

do you speak do you speak chinese

yes i speak chinese uh uh someone in

chat

what says you're lying so just to

disprove them can you speak chinese with

[ __ ] blade

okay

what do you want me to say just talk to

each other for like a sec i'll tell you

when to stop

all right you guys were good you guys

would he's not used to do you support

the do you support the dpp by chance in

taiwan

uh i mean i i

see this is my take on the taiwan

situation because i'm chinese and i'm

taiwanese

so i'm trying not to be biased here

as a chinese i think

taiwan should be china's but

as an american and as a taiwanese i

don't think so

is that not a fair assessment

they're born in a country they have no

choice to think differently

they're not american citizens if you're

chinese why would you think like an

american you'll never be american why

would you think like an american

you have no choice

and

hello i believe in democracy so i think

i don't know okay so do you believe

democracy what is democracy to you what

is democracy to you freedom of voting

dude

and you guys are in china the end

no you don't

there's only one party in china that's

it's not it's not a fair election dude

okay you cannot create your own new

party

in china

when can't washington establish america

in his vision there should be no parties

okay too bad george washington is dead

dude

no if anything if anything the chinese

system is infinitely closer to what the

american democracy should be than

american democracy itself

why why would you say that that's the

that's the vision that's the vision you

have that's the vision that americans

have in the beginning and easy as the

chinese have successfully executed this

great vision while the americas failed

at maintaining george washington's

mission so if anything the chinese are

infinitely closer to the original

interpretation of democracy that

americans will ever get ever

ah there's no democracy in china dude

you can keep repeating that you can keep

repeating that but apparently fort

washington is not democratic

george washington is dead

and so does that make him all

democratic i don't know

i don't know well you don't know that

you should listen to me which is that

china's democratic and it's leaving

anything closer to the original american

view of democracy you can keep on coping

you can keep on saying that but you need

to deny china

you cannot create

you need to deny the original vision of

democracy that's america if you don't

agree with the thing

you want to run that's not possible how

is that democracy

you just agree with that and by the way

just a quick thing communist just can't

handle disagreements you can't wrong

that's why that's because they're

independent you can write that actually

trying to be not biased

i mean that's what china does

okay i'm counting give me a moment so

there are one two three four five six

seven eight nine parties there are nine

different parties in the chinese

congress and 472 independents

there are

significantly more parties in china than

the usa if the one party say dude don't

tell me the other way

there are literally nine different

parties and the 400 independents in

china fake news fake news what fake news

bro next level will cope here this is

only it's a one-party state okay in your

country you're recording all the

independence at one party right there's

literally five times more party in the

chinese countries than american congress

no in america there are many parties but

they just don't get votes we don't vote

exactly and why is that why is that

i don't know ask the voters

no no no ask the media that's the

capitalist they control the press

what i don't like

i don't like the media

right that that doesn't agree with

acceptable power right why do you like

the media why don't you like me you

think the media is like

all seeing god that determines what

people choose

journalism and there's no real

journalism

yeah exactly so now since we're at the

stage where i mean china is state

general so there's no free press

there's not free press on china

if the entirety of the media is based on

capital is based on whoever gives the

most money and they control the most

amount of media coverage then thank you

for watching yes the thing is democracy

is about manipulating the people

devoting for you which is about the

competition i mean if you get

manipulated that's your fault dude but

you you have the ability to not get

manipulated you still have the ability

to choose

i mean if you get manipulated that's

your fault

choose what democrat republicans yes

it's i mean sure people can manipulate

you whatever but at the end of the day

you still can vote so the failure so

so you're saying that the failure of

western democracy is contributed to the

individual unlike you i don't think

western democracy is perfect you think i

i don't think it's perfect no i don't i

think we have to be rejected but no

you believe that

you believe the failure you believe

in america is perfect

so would you say that as a failure of

western democracy is due to the

individual being brainwashed

not necessarily no but there are why not

that are brainwashed sure because you

keep sort of the field that will keep up

with the dams and republicans to party

everything every single time and

multiplayer

man it's not because of the media what

is it about

why is it dominant parties why are they

dominant

why because most people believe in those

two parties and not the others

why what's the essence of this

why is it that i don't know you ask the

voters man it's their own choice

okay it's their own choice and this

choice is leading america down to

well

what's your opinion that's your opinion

that's not my opinion national debt is

rising wages are not rising at all

prices are rising everything's going to

[ __ ] and you're telling me that

everything's fine

how inflation works dude okay how does

inflation work

inflation works when there's more money

in the system when the money is fighting

why is that

why is that because of kovidge

i mean now you know there's a business

cycles of

before coleman there are sick and

difficult i don't want to explain

finance and economics to you like that's

every time

[Applause]

what the [ __ ] are you talking about

he kidding me sir there are so many

inflation even before code but no but no

it's all because of coleman that's

no inflation was at a long time

yeah you know why

inflation rose during covid you want me

to teach you this oh [ __ ] no zeros

but that doesn't mean that you want to

be a professor

before inflation exists before coping

inflation exists before kobet

inflation exists in any country china

there's inflation too i don't know what

you're trying to have china ever reached

this level hyperinflation you have in

the u.s

and it's not only information

it's not that bad

that's six point two percent six percent

it's not that bad it's not it's not only

english but it's all the stagflation

your major stuff writing sir

yeah right now it's it's it's basically

stagnation

your your buying power is lowering okay

but you know how the business cycle

works it's not always

growing

just like china it's almost entering a

recession it's that's what you said five

years ago

you say that's what that's what you say

five years ago

china

understand basic economics

you put up the basic economic card fine

what is basic economics to you is this

it's just like

ah

inflation that's how inflation works you

think it's a bad thing like i don't

understand why

inflation is a natural part of the like

any economy

whether it's just communist or not or

democracy

so just i don't know why

it's a greater evil i like i don't know

what you're saying dude no it's a

symptom it's a symptom

what's causing means there's inflation

everywhere

yeah it's not political

okay what causes symptoms

when there's more money supply

in the system

why is there more money supply why is

there more money supply

because in coven nobody went to work

because we're all home the economy

stopped

yes yes so why does that need some more

supply you're telling me you know so

much basic economics i'm testing because

we need to propped up the economy

because the economy is frozen we need to

put more money into it so people can get

jobs

yeah okay why isn't it in china the

economy in china why isn't the economy

frozen in china it was frozen for like

three months and then they they fixed

covet over there

yeah why can't you fix code here

why did we froze for two years because

the half of americans don't believe it's

a real thing

what is that

i mean ask them dude i like don't ask

them it's the system's fault the system

for not being to educate the people on

proper science it's the system's fault

for many people believing all these

violent conspiracy theories if the

government is reliably reliable in

america people believe what the

government say and they would come in

and they're told that that's not the

case

i don't really care about kobe dude i

don't think that you know china can

control it because people trust the

government because the people believe in

the government because yeah i think the

chinese handling of government is a good

thing chinese handle the code really

i agree with you nobody believe with the

government

nobody believe what the government is

saying in america which is why they've

got to handle coven and this means that

the people in japan love their

government significantly than the people

in america love their government okay i

agree that china is

more united than america yeah and it's

more united because it's more democratic

this unity is reforms democracy it's

this unity that forms democracy it's not

some abstract idea of this procedural

justice procedural justice is [ __ ]

it's this unity that the people apparent

to

know that democracy it is not this

procedural justice i become democracy

that makes track [ __ ] you can have all

the procedural democracy in the [ __ ]

world well you're you're saying because

everybody agrees that is true democracy

i i

why people yes

is why we have democracy

like i i think opposite of you so we can

agree with you you know you don't

believe democracy is a way of bringing

people together you just believe

democracy makes you separate people it

is a way to bring people together but it

doesn't mean that if everybody agrees

that is true democracy that's not

democracy to me

that's because everybody that's about

one point it's not democracy to you but

that's democracy to 1.4 chinese people

for building chinese people and it's

working great for them so you don't you

don't really think about it they don't

know what it means

let's just think about

china okay because there are infinite

amount of more people that agree with

china than you do and they live in china

nobody agree disagrees with china

because they can't dude because they

can't because disagrees with the

government because they're not allowed

to

allow government systems 1984 [ __ ]

thing because if they do they'll go to

jail

i have family members that

went to jail

like who

i won't tell you the name but

don't you

they released the list of 20 individuals

and one of them is there

chinese government released a list of

20.

let me tell you something interesting

both my uncles attended the atmosphere

protest okay both of them

they went home unscratched nothing

happened to them ever they're fine

right right now

now you look at america how they treat

the people of the capitol riot how the

fbi hunts them down how do they lose

their jobs how does it get shot in the

head yeah that's right that's right

that's not and and and how is that not

the right how's the camera another right

there's there's 100 soldiers dead

from being shot by auto rifles how is

that another riot that's fake news

that's fake news every time i bring up a

fact you say it's fake news that's not

because that's right

okay i don't want to argue with you on

this this is

man history is a bit written by the

victors

yes there's written by the victors

there's no historical truth there's no

historical truth choose that illusion

chooses that you should know what is the

post waterfall you're literally the stop

police right here dude the what's the

what's the what

you wouldn't know

hey let's stop please dude

ah i'm the sock police okay let's

i think nothing nothing is perfect but

the problem isn't that i'm bad is that

anybody would get mad talking to an

idiot like you

okay

cool okay okay show us how immature you

are

ah yes yes

i am more mature than you sir at least i

don't believe truth is an illusion okay

sure like you believe there's no

historical truth

you need some weed

no no i i take the china stand against

all drugs

you sound like a boring person

ah yes scientists i'm gonna be dead on

the street

your best argument against me is that

i'm boring

now i can't ask

it seems like

your basic argument here is basically

you're just saying you don't like

the ccp yourself

but why should the chinese people agree

with you i think that's like the

question like what can you do about it

so you don't like the communist party in

power i don't really i'm not

[ __ ] revolutionary dude i just

disagree i'm not i'm not here to

like so what do you want me to do what

do you want me to do man i don't know

that's what i'm asking you it's just

what is the point really

i'm just trying to have an opposing view

i mean it may in china may always be

communist for the next 10 000 years so

be it dude

so you're really just kind of like

playing the devil's advocate pretty much

well

yeah i mean because i'm what what i'm

saying is what i believe in

so right i guess it's just

i don't know it's kind of

well what do you want me to do go to

china and start protesting no i know i'm

just saying i'm just saying like uh

what's the point you know like what's

the what's the end point

i guess for me to try to educate other

people too about a different view

isn't that why we're talking about this

i mean most cultures can be considered a

different view

they're free to believe in whatever they

want you you may think they're [ __ ]

but they're free to believe in women

yeah don't don't use these words

yes oh [ __ ] yeah see now this is what we

call freedom of speech okay you get what

i'm saying

uh

so

ultimately if you don't have a specific

issue

with china if it's if the

if your ideas contradict with reality

then really that doesn't make them

really valid you know what i'm saying

like you you need some actual demands if

you want to oppose something

but you have no actual demand you're

just supposing for the sake of opposing

yes let me just call the cia real quick

man like [ __ ]

what

come on seoul let me ask you a question

so you're saying you're going to china

soon

wouldn't wouldn't what you're saying

here not be legal wouldn't you get in

trouble for yeah that's why i'm not

going to show my face i'm not going to

show you my name like

i'm like dude

i got you but you said you had family

members in jail in china so

if china doesn't have any due process or

whatever wouldn't that also mean that

you're going to be in trouble in china

too

well

i mean when when people go to jail in

china they take away your family's

passports et cetera et cetera so

is that not going to happen to you why

are they letting you in the country if

that's gonna happen

well

the the tiananmen square guy he's cool

with the government now

okay

but i thought that that was a point

he he he the cia got him out so

what what wait what

wait what

i mean it's on wikipedia dude it's open

source information

that's glowing hard this guy's going

very hard right now

it's open sourcing i'll send you a link

dude like i don't is that that

surprising to you guys

so are you like to sign the skype

because your glow hurts my eyes

okay i mean

which is i can't stand looking at you

so this your work for the cia i don't i

don't know no i don't

i i just don't i'm struggling to

understand like what a second you're

next to the link or something

uh all right so do you think i'm like

trying to knock the docks myself anymore

no yeah at this point

so do you do you think do you think

there's any arguments you feel were not

adequately addressed by bolshevik blade

that you

i mean i i understand where you guys

come from you know i respect your

decision and your choice to believe in

that like i underst i know it's like

for your good

but it's just it's a difference in

thinking and people are entitled to that

like it's fine

if you're born somewhere

you have no choice sometimes you have no

choice to think like another person

would somewhere else that's fine

well don't think for them then let them

sing for themselves

i'm not i'm not thinking for you guys

that's why i'm i'm just there's another

person from china that wants to join is

that okay

yeah

dude these guys aren't even living in

china

to the max all right here he is

yo so so

what's up

taiwan

okay

i'll speak to you in english for the

sake of the audience um

english better

whatever doesn't matter what what is

your deal

like not much dude i just i just

don't really agree with

communism that much

i mean you can say you can [ __ ] on

western democracy all you want but i

just think it's a better solution

okay okay maybe maybe it's actually it

wouldn't work in the east sure

but

i just think

liberal democracy works

what is the point of contention because

you haven't raised a single one yet like

is it

because it's not a western democracy or

what you haven't raised a single

point so far

but listen i'm just i just don't agree

with

the communist party i don't think it

works well

oh it doesn't work well um ask people

who had their income you know like you

know tripled you know even like

quadrupled over the last couple decades

i don't know that seems like a pretty

good track record

how the economy works dude it's not it's

not about politics at that point

oh so

saying that it doesn't work well and i

give you example of how you know

people's living standard has increased

and you're saying oh that's just the

economy and economy and politics are

somehow you're able to separate them

china has the worst

wealth inequality than the united states

so cool dude

it's 0.42 i know the figure talked about

genie coefficient right

it's still not really us

right china has a has worst wealth

inequality i've seen it first hand you

understand that i know i know you're

temporary who are your slaves over there

if you're rich as you're the one percent

in china those waiters in the

restaurants they'll treat you like gods

i know i'm very privileged in general in

in terms of the cards that's been handed

to me in life i don't know what your

point is

yeah i'm just saying it's

cool

i mean people can say yeah the quality

of life is getting better every year

oh it gets better every year everywhere

uh no

progress is made

um

if you look at you know how ukraine is

going you look at how the united states

is you know life isn't getting better

you know you could spell i think it is

that's where you're just pessimistic no

no please you're in the united states

your life's not going well that's why

you're turning the communists look at

look at the rust build right the rust

builds used to be prosperous you know

you just have all these factories you

still have jobs everybody can afford a

house you know you go to work on the

weekend you buy a lot of stuff home you

live a good life on the roster before

but every single year now people are

being more and more impoverished you

know there are places on earth where

uh the economic growth has led to more

poverty because really economy like all

the numbers you see different i don't

think america is going to relate to

production un-american for you to think

that oh hold on no i mean

it's getting worse canadian there's some

[ __ ] how about this you can't you can

ask uh haas it's people living in the

rust build living worse and worse lives

every single year yeah i would say so

definitely yes exactly

and he's american now they think their

lives are well actually that's that's

your opinion

there's so much uncertainty over jobs

there's a lot of businesses that were

shut down because of the rust belt has

the lowest unemployment rate compared to

like the democratic liberals listen

these jobs that people are working is uh

that's a complete sham these are people

are stacking up multiple multiple jobs

they're dude in the u.s nobody people

are lazy compared to chinese people

americans are lazy compared to chinese

people dude so

it's it's a different culture with a

different work ethic you know it's a

completely different thing

so you think that um the economic

situation and the russell isn't that

this despair like it's not despairing i

think america is doing great

why do you think people voted for trump

in 2016 why

you think it's just oh they just voted

for now you ask them everybody has a

different view not everybody agree

every there are people that vote for

trump for different reasons dude

your core problem right

sold so

not happy without an establishment you

know

they're not happy with you know the

economic solution that has presented by

the establishment for the last you know

decades or so so they voted for someone

else people will always be unhappy

it's just normal not everybody's happy

wait wait hold on sir what makes you

think that gives you the right to speak

for both the chinese people and the uh

american people on the rust bill like

you speak for the chinese people of how

they're not doing good under ccp and you

speak for the american people on the

russia of how they are doing good right

now

you're speaking for them

without their permission

so you're speaking with them for without

permission too like i don't understand

why do you need permission to speak

are you getting a joke

it makes your opinion valid

you're speaking foreign

you get understanding yes yes

bro

whatever dude

i mean if you're wrong at arguments you

know you're free to [ __ ] off

i mean i can talk about anything

i can talk we can switch to geopolitics

dude why is why is that i mean i

understand there's a status quo but why

are chinese allies all [ __ ] terrorist

states

what

what

um

north korea you want to start naming a

few hold on how is north korea how is

north korea a terrorist state

explaining oh so you're pro north korea

yes i am

just to be clear where i stand on this i

am one hundred percent

bro north korea north korea just so

we're clear yes yeah bro

yo we've got korean bolshevik here

damn

all right oh so look buddy if we're

going to start living countries at

turret as terrorist country i think the

us makes the top list you know i don't

think you know yeah america looks

after itself first

yeah a terrorist that looks after itself

yeah so that's basically what you're

saying okay yes

we are on at north korean level you know

yeah

okay so your idea of labeling countries

terrorists just because you don't like

them you know that's not really

effective so i mean you want me to start

off with north korea or like you want me

to start going bullet point like what do

you want me to do man i mean you don't

like north korea so you just decide to

label a terrorist because everybody

knows oh terror is a scary word you know

except yeah what's terrorist about north

korea i know why people call iran that

even though i reject that label but why

is north north korea

how is north korea a terrorist country i

don't get it

how is north korea a terrorist country

wow

i've never i i wouldn't think it would

be anywhere

[ __ ]

excellent

to someone

i mean try

i'm intrigued so you can go ahead and

try i don't see how it's a terrorist

country at all

why it is so isolated let's start with

that

um because they're sanctioned by the us

and basically you know you know every

single country in the west so like

that kind of explains it kind of like

how cuba is being sanctioned you know

it's kind of odd

anymore so north korea is being

sanctioned by the u.s they're being

bullied the u.s is trying to starve them

and that's somehow their fault

yes i mean there's a reason america did

it right

it's a reason for

who

for the us

yeah what's the reason

so you're so even you understand that

u.s only sanctioned north korea for

their own geopolitical benefits yet

you're saying that this somehow is

north korea's fault because the north

korean regime the kim dynasty it's it's

a dictatorship they don't they don't

care about their people

different claim because now you see that

it's hard to understand

because now you're saying it's

authoritarian in the western liberal

sense but that's different from being in

terrorist state you get my point like

you couldn't make the if you want to

make the case that north korea is

authoritarian in the western local

stands okay fine whatever but you're

calling it a terrorist state

yeah if you don't do anything for your

people that's that's bad

i guess by the way for talking about

that how do they not do anything for

their people

yeah they

all the money goes to kim jong-un

i think north korea does pretty well for

itself

given the circumstances of being

isolated and forced to be almost

entirely independent with a few

exceptions i think more than half their

country is starving dude that's not true

uh right now that's not

true i mean we wouldn't know right

now so let's not make assumptions this

is this is kind of weird yeah that's

effect you're basically saying that

north korea's population is going to

have anytime soon now because they're

starving

so that means that they're going to be

half their population any day now

i mean starving

starvation does not last that long

i mean if you eat rats eat rice you can

live for a long time

you're telling me that these sanctions

happen because it's a dictatorship yet

somehow most dictators in the world is

founded by the u.s whether it's chile

whether it's guatemala but it's congo

what about south korea south korea

south korea was a criminal mafia

dictatorship for most of its existence

exactly

the caribou are celebrating right now

because while their ex-president died

actually south korea

uh prosperity comes from its economic

growth

not necessarily its political uh system

yeah

and the reason why the south koreans are

doing slightly better now is because

they have a left-leaning government and

they're just doing slightly better

you know

blades saying slightly better than they

were before

obviously they have considerably higher

standards of living than north korea why

is south korea so much better than north

korea because it's opened up to the

world economy

okay think about it this way right the

americas does not care about the korean

people both sides don't care about it

yes every country cares about themselves

exactly exactly

so that so that you can't really blame

north korea then can you

i mean i i don't think north korea that

kim jong-un doesn't care about his

people

no no you can't really blame being

snatched all from the world on north

korea itself came

you can't blame that i think kim jong-un

does care about his people actually

i mean he cares about himself more so

i don't know what's what what evidence

do you have for that

there can not be no one that rules

without the support of the people or

else there will be culture because in

shambles you know

the country will be in constant crisis

okay i don't even i don't even know i'm

arguing about north korea let me ask you

a question which people which people do

you think

have more loyalty to their government

south korea or north korea

north korea

exactly

which people do you think would be

willing to give their lives for their

government

and uh north korea or their leader has

their brainwashed dude

i

okay but

is it is it called you're calling it

brainwashed

and what if i'm calling it

having a sense of purpose and meaning in

life instead of south korea has a very

high rates of

uh mental

illness mean i i guess people see

purpose as a different thing but don't

you think nihilism is a big issue in

developed countries today

what don't you think nihilism is a big

issue in developed countries today

um

because i think north korea is despite

the spikes

despite their tough times even today

they have a sense of deep love and pride

for their country i mean i think that's

a part of evolution so i mean i'm i'm

more of a fatalistic person so it's i i

see it how

yeah but i think i think i i wouldn't be

surprised if despite the disparity and

standard of living north koreans were

actually happier

okay i guess we see hap people see

happiness as different things you know

which is why you shouldn't force your

mother happiness out to anyone else

i don't think i did exactly so you

shouldn't speak from north korea so yeah

apparently according to some studies

they're actually happy right

south koreans

your opi your opinion constantly

involves talking for somebody else

enforcing your

uh rather wrestling narratives onto

other people it's kind of unipolar sense

i mean is it is it not okay to think

sometimes to think you're more right

than others like it's fine it's just

what's but that's the bad thing but you

are not

i mean that's literally how geopolitics

works

so it's not north korea's fault even you

admitted it

no i think they're a [ __ ] up country

okay here you tell me that it's china's

evil because they allied themselves it's

a bunch of terrorist state you fail to

prove how any of them is i mean i i mean

they support strategic reason obviously

because if it was democratic they would

have no influence why would you not have

influence you failed to prove america

would could take over and have influence

on north korea they would do it too

honestly

so if they're not

okay fine even of course your own

definition

america is no better than china this

kona ko

well it's a china but there's something

we're not ally with north korea now are

we

and who are you alive is uh yes

government of iraq that's how that's

going for them what's going on with

libya we're not really allied with iraq

dude

they don't really like us man

but you're still alive with the girls

stealing oil you know iraq just has too

many things this is the thing this is

the thing there's there's someone who's

korean who wants to come in

that all right north korean or south

korean please dude i need some help here

man i i don't know but he he wants to

come this is like a [ __ ]

i'm gonna bring him in

there you

go

oh [ __ ] this guy he's a communist

salt

salt

can't hear you

i think he's charging up he's charging

up his energy

dude what is this this [ __ ] is so rigged

bro he's like 41 out here bring one of

your friends you can bring one of your

friends

these are people pinging me asking me

they have real jobs right now dude

they're working

okay

actually

with the five thank you so much man

thank you so much

thanks jenna um salty your mic's not

working i don't know what's going on

uh there's someone else who wants to

join

salt uh your mic's not

working

i mean i've i've come to the conclusion

that different systems work for

different types of people

about polarity now you understand

multi-polarity

thank you appreciate you

but i still think

one is better than others you know

i mean do you not you guys are trying to

enforce communism on the united states

you guys are the one percent actually no

actually this is the same

i don't know if that's true that we're

trying to make other systems that would

work for the guys let me know we want a

system that works for the us a type of

uh

socialism with american characteristics

you know we're trying to fix the

failures of american capitalism by its

engagement we're not trying to force any

model of socialism to america we're

trying to find our own unique path

yeah and we know that american

capitalism is failing at the current

i just i just don't agree with any

government that jails dissidents they're

scared

about people talking [ __ ] about them

that's such a [ __ ] move dude the u.s

does that so you guys don't know that

every country does it so they have like

what one person

there are more people in jail in the u.s

than in china yes there are

significantly more people in china than

the u.s yeah so the president per capita

in the us is significantly higher

there's like it's like it's like what

he's trying to say is

so china has 1.4 billion people we have

only 300 million and we have way more

people in jail than china does

maybe china chinese system

could work here

he gets it that's a

but what are we gonna get free speech

out when you guys come here

i i don't want to eliminate the freedom

of speech i don't think there's a reason

to eliminate it do communists believes

in guns do they believe in gun

arms are proletariat yeah listen we do

kind of have significantly more freedom

to uh arm yourself than the us until

you've been horribly wrong okay

like again it was china was through a

lot of pain that that lead to the

current gown ban but before that there's

way way way more free to own arms in

china than the u.s you can literally own

like uh the chinese ak where you can

literally own cannons and land mines

which was all using the cultural

revolution that killed a lot of people

that's that's beside the fact

even how it works in communist states

from what i am told is that

in because they're from eastern

countries that they have villages and

the village has a militia where there's

just a ton of guns and you can use these

why doesn't that happen in china right

now why don't they arm them

they do the local villages have

militias they have guns

militia everywhere yeah

i don't know if i don't know if

households may i think households do

have hunting

well

you can you can you can shoot guns in

china you can shoot guns you can have

guns i just yeah i've shot a gun in

china before i got a story i've gone to

the shooting range the history of gun

ownership in china is a very complex

issue that is up to them and the current

model were spent for them but before

that they were very pro-gun and it was

not working which is why they're more

strict now you know but that can change

the future too it's it's a matter of

dialectics it's a matter of progression

it's times change

yeah and also because in the past um

villages would you know go into like

like mini wars against each other over

like territory and stuff like that it

was a huge problem for the local and

central government so you know

eventually they had to like peel that

back so you know

in case you didn't know that you know

i'm just saying this show would not

exist in china

well it doesn't need to i mean

this shows okay fine american

characteristics okay

all right is that all or is that it

well it's not much man

i just don't i i mean i think it's just

a [ __ ] move to jail people

like like why are you scared of people

disagreeing

it's not that it's not that we want to

jail people for saying things

it's that often times

when you say things in public you are

doing it for a reason and there's

consequences in china right like uh

it's like you no one just says anything

without any intent of action right if

you if you're saying for example in

china you guys have like daddy issues or

some [ __ ] like

right this insult is quite cool look if

you if you're saying in china for

example oh [ __ ] the government

that implies an express intent to do

something about it right so you're not

just saying things for the sake of

saying things now here in the us we do

have a culture of just saying [ __ ] to

just see what happens or just for its

own sake but in china and other eastern

countries when you say something

there's a level of express intent and

practical implications that are behind

what you're saying

which it's like if you walk into a bar

and you just start

you know you find the biggest guy in the

bar and he's going hey you're a [ __ ] i

mean there's going to be consequences

right because there's an intent behind

saying that

you can't just say whatever you want

yeah in america

you will get your ass whooped

and the reason why is because

that guy's gonna assume that

you are

you're trying to enter into conflict

with him right he's not gonna treat you

as just like oh you said something that

i don't want you to say he's saying oh

what is the meaning of what you're

saying right oh words

for five minutes going to jail is for

years

okay okay

do you do you think that people in china

are sentenced to like very long

sentences in prison just for saying

things

i mean not only will they be sentenced

in prison they'll get watched by the

secret police and everything well

oh hold hold on as far as being just

edward snowden and that's the tip of the

iceberg but

i am being watched right now believe it

or not like i am actually being watched

by the us i would not want to associate

with you at all then

i i am being watched by the us

government

and you're being watched too so so you

know that's a little tip for you

it's okay they're on my side

so i'm not scared

okay so so what is your point about like

oh it's a person moved to jail to send

out

that's my name

this is what doesn't mean every country

every government is supposed to be right

that's basically what you're saying here

every single country every single

government arrests the sense it doesn't

matter what political system it is

they all do u.s arrests okay maybe u.s

arrests some but it's a

100 million times less

are you sure about that

yes

because you know last time at least the

united states is transparent

we only know the things we do because of

whistleblowers

who were

facing charges by the u.s government so

i don't know what you're talking about

transparent

yeah at least you know this let me say

something let me say something please

please please okay here here disagree in

china will look like this okay

you write up the policy you want change

then you gather opinions and then

eventually we're going to have public

referendums we're going to pass this

through the congress and this is how

everything goes in canada you know it's

about specific policies it's not okay

issues which is that i should get by

disagreeing here in the u.s nothing gets

done you know you have first of all down

to nowhere people want to force health

care down to nowhere disagreeing in the

u.s does not actually get society to

anywhere at all it's because it's pretty

divided it's

51.49 you know you know why it's divided

it's intentional

i mean this is how it is over here

exactly that's filling which is why

we're going to need social media for

american characteristics

that's our american characteristic

exactly that is that

is why you have to

i think that's a failure

i see that i see that as a perfect

example of democracy

so uber democracy is failing

you know i believe democracy can sow

division

how how hasn't worked so far

so and it's getting worse i think the

united states is doing great

well it's that's just what you think

yeah you need

immigration to justify your failure

i mean i respect you

you guys don't respect what i think

why would i

why would i when you are wrong

why would i refer why would i respect

the flat earther

that's what you are

but but don't you didn't you just say

that

different systems worked in different

places for differences for the u.s

there's still any change

the system in the u.s is a failure i

think u.s is doing great i think that's

what you think that's what you think

that's what you think

that's wrong that's what you think

okay so you're going back to this whole

again truth doesn't matter and you know

it's just all interpretation

yeah i mean

we're entitled to our own opinions right

this hurts my head really yeah

i mean you got to go i saw america's

doing great

please please you can think

go to the raspberry go to the rust belt

and you tell them you're all living

great lives and there's nothing that you

need to change american politics is

working great for you i mean they're

gonna have a lot to say you know

everybody get the [ __ ] out of you you

tell them

why because you're thinking of somebody

else

you're dreaming the thing is the problem

with you that you're dreaming

your entire world views build up upon

buying streams that you use by the dream

to uh annoy people that's all you are

i mean i think united states is the

greatest country

at least for now

and you know where we're at why is it

that you're just mad the system does not

work for you why is it half the country

why

is it the half the country state let's

go brandon why

why is that half of the nation of the us

are constantly screaming let's go

brandon

who's that brand let's go brandon

brandon

yes brandon

do you seriously not know what that

slogan is

no i don't

oh my gosh let's go brandon

yes

you're all funny man y'all funny i gotta

give you guys that man well half the

nation disagrees with the current

president how the [ __ ] is the system

working how

i mean maybe one day there will be a

president where it is 90 though i mean

it's just it's dependent on what the

people think but right now it's like

less than 40.

it's i mean it's failing

it's objectively failing

even by the standards

for me i think it's fine

by the center of the us's building but

the center of me is filming but instead

of other countries

i don't think so um

for you everything you think is a fact

another for you right everybody can

think differently dude

you're not entitled to think for the u.s

people isn't it kind of ironic yeah okay

thought police

system is working so well when every

single president has below 50 percent

you know approval rating once they get

into office and it's only when they

start a war it gets there's only

division in america during [ __ ]

elections after that everybody goes back

to work dude it's fine

then why is there approval rating

consistently lower than 50 percent and

it's only when they start a war it goes

above 50 percent that's where every

country dictates

get the [ __ ] back in the real world sir

get the [ __ ] back here i'm not going to

start a war and they're going to start a

war soon

because they got humiliated in world war

ii by the japs

you don't get to talk about the real

world

you don't get to sure man

sure dude

look china has it started in war right

now and they still have a pretty high

approval rating it's above 80 percent

yeah like i don't know what you're

talking about man

i mean i don't i don't think that

approval rating means the country is

better

okay sure so what's your point

i thought you said when you were the

ones making points

no but you were the one who's saying

that

i love how we always

like talk about certain points and then

you're like oh what's your point like

cool dude

yeah because

the things that you say don't lead to

anywhere

i'm not going to start a revolution in

china i'm just trying to make my point

and your poison is disagreeing with you

no i mean i don't care about it

you may think one view is better

but like

another may think the other is better

yeah but you haven't provided a reason

you just say that you don't like the

communist party

i mean i i say the reason is america

this is doing great

and then you don't think so because we

can disagree like cool you're talking

about the communist party isn't good for

china but you all are not in china you

guys live in western countries like you

guys are you live in your dream world

and you live in your dream world

yeah cool you're not even in china

you're not even your reality you're in

your dream world chinese who are just

insecure about their asian neighborhood

cool

exactly

see

the whole thing is you can keep on

living your home your dream all your

the thing is

despite the fact that most people in

real life would disagree with you right

you're simply being entitled to your

ideas and that they're so profound even

though they have no basis i mean i think

a lot of people would agree with me dude

the entire problem of you is that you

are living in your fantasy world and you

need to get back here you know

because you're not here

it's different an opinion for your dream

that will you see yourself so high above

everybody else you know you're sucking

ideally when you're dreaming i think

yourself you're also higher than other

people too okay no i don't see myself

higher than other people i saw myself

higher than you

okay i see myself higher than you too

but that's that is violent

you're not

that's not valid that's not valid you're

not valid

you're making everything to um point of

interpretation so you're saying that

there can be no truth which is which

means that nothing you say have any

legitimate meaning you know we should

not be talking to each other at all in

fact we should go head off and do our

own little things and it's just

everything is up to interpretation there

there is no science there's nothing we

are chasing after life has no meaning

i think i think your entire

i mean again you don't see it as a truth

that's fine that's why you say you have

no truth like you believe everything is

an interpretation which

is not the

with me that you are sir you have your

specific problems that of which you are

you are an idealist you live in this

weird fantasy world and you need to be

tracked back into reality by somebody

obviously reality

you're losing you're losing that's why

you're so mad

you're a fan of starting about winning

now

um cool sure you can say that sure your

friend is talking about videos

you're fantastic about winning now

you're fighting signing my winning now

sir okay the thing is you can't stop

fantasizing that's that's your winning

system fetishizing you can stop me

cannot stop fantasizing okay why don't

you just move back to china then that

system works

how do you move back to reality then

i am in reality how are you reality

keep talking keep saying you you're fake

you're fake you're wrong you're wrong

because what you'll be saying

you're not biased

even the self say you're not biased

anybody would be mad when they're

talking to an idiot like you sir it's

not my problem

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appreciate you being poor

your your thought is the one is the one

percent man so are are you rich

you're saying we're there's 40 approval

rate that's still more than you you

communists in america

yeah but i don't think americans know

anything about communism

okay that's true

you can educate them about this but

they're actually i don't know maybe it's

doable

and that's the point you know there used

to be massive communist party in the usa

that and it is to appeal to these people

that got fdr into office if he didn't

appeal to the mass communist party in

the usa he would have been offered if

communism wins in the united states

more people think that way then

that's fine

so stay fine you know and wait until

that day comes before that day comes you

don't get to talk too bad

that's not how you're going to be dead

by the time there's communism in the

united states

they mad

uh yes

you believe that your prediction of the

future is completely correct

yes

they remind me in a hundred in [ __ ]

80 years

yes what did that tarot card tell you

that or something

what you did you started today i'm the

one

where where where is this headed

you're just like predicting things now

what do you like to think about a vg

board at a spirit halloween store or

something and you're like oh ouija board

man tell me what is communist i'm gonna

come to america was 100 years later like

what the [ __ ] you're so funny dude

you don't get to talk about where

reality is headed sir you don't get to

honey dude

it does not need to match your ideals

does not need to match your imagination

it doesn't need to reality is reality

you stay in reality [ __ ] the [ __ ] off

if you are if you don't understand this

reality anymore you're free to

well

you know i'm in reality i'm the one

winning you're the one in what

what are you winning you're the one

trying to start the revolution you're

the one that nobody agrees with the

award off

yes

you're a country that you live in right

now nobody agrees with you dude they're

gonna think you're crazy

first

that's right when you go back to china

you're winning you're not in china right

now you're just mad

most people in my country in canada

right

they would uh they would agree that this

nation needs to be changed just like me

they will believe that they're not going

to need

they would

agree with me on every specific policy

that of which i bring up the thing is

you're seeing communism as this abstract

thing it is not they're not so that's uh

that's that's what you think you're

you're just saying like oh everybody

agrees what i think cool

i mean every canadian would agree with

our party with me with us

that's the thing

all of our policies that which we

suggest as of which isn't our program is

built in the people i like the policies

that are unpopular with the people

that's currently being shut up their

spicy [ __ ] establishment that's the

difference here

they might not agree with our essence

out of which it's coming i'm going to

join the establishment you mad bro how

how are you going to join the

establishment they're they're they're

writing how you're successful

you're going to be having power right i

believe in the dollar bill i'm sorry

that you don't because you don't have

any you're good

okay okay come back you're mad bro

come back you're real successful come

back here okay yeah yeah sure

[ __ ] off and come back when you're

successful sir all right all right

dude this kid is a privileged kid from

china

at most chinese

you don't work for the people you're not

socialistic

don't need all your money dude

in china

please please listen

if you think i'm so privileged can i

tell you the story of my last job please

all right

i i work 14 hour shifts in my last job

right

there are people constantly coming to

[ __ ] up our workplace right

most of them are like on drugs or some

[ __ ] right i have to chase them away you

know i have to be constantly on patrol

during the workplace because they're

[ __ ] anti-social probably you just

hate and wait wait hold on hold on hold

on hold on hold on let me finish let me

finish let me finish right and i'm also

being paid barely you're all

this guy is privileged you're thinking

that somehow this guy is privileged how

am i privileged

how the [ __ ] am i working such a shitty

job and being privileged at the same

time because

your family your dad's rich but you're

probably not my daughter's rich my dad

how am i that rich you're just guys

you're just guessing [ __ ] you're scared

canada

is with your fantasy

you're fresh

you justify your ideals it's your

fantasy you bought a thousand two

thousand dollars

dude you didn't [ __ ] swim

stop stop stop your family doesn't

matter reality matters your family

doesn't matter

yeah you're losing reality

you're losing that's why you're not what

that's why your job is [ __ ] that's why

you hate capitalism so that you need

people to blame that's why you blame the

system

so are you mad bro are you winning

are you winning

i make more money than you

i think it's fine

i'm definitely winning

and every most people in canada

so you're the privileged one you're the

privileged one telling the proletariat

how they should behave and protect

capitalism you're the privileged one

telling the proletariat

just because

you can't have a say in things like no

no no no no you're you're not scared i'm

not saying dude you're telling us that

you're thinking about foreign people

should listen to me more just because

you're saying that you're saying that we

should be fine with the system because

you're privileged no [ __ ] off see this

at the end of the day they're just gonna

say you're privileged so you don't have

a saying anything do your privilege too

shut the [ __ ] up stop pretending to be

poor

you're so fake dude

oh i'm pretending to be poor now you are

still living your fantasy so you're not

so you you being the privileged [ __ ] you

are with your family

should not revolt against the criminal

system [ __ ] everybody over

you're so detached from the poor you're

so detached from reality you're so

detached on proletariat right that

you're just like you dream up a world

where everything is fine to protect your

own privilege you immediately become

rich everybody can become rich

you're more likely to become poor than

it's hard for you it doesn't mean it's

hard for other

people you're more likely

you're more likely to become rich and

successful if you're living in china

that you're in the u.s

so if anything it's a system of the

chinese that gives you more opportunity

i think there's more opportunities in

the u.s

sorry how you're more likely to become

broke in the u.s statistically speaking

how

what was that

you're more likely to become broke in

the u.s statistically speaking student

loans are infinitely more expensive not

infantry but significantly more

important expensive in the us than china

i mean that's how capitalism works

capitalism rewards the people who make

money i'm like dude

yeah are you mad right so so you're

saying that we shouldn't be mad when the

system [ __ ] us over

when the system

oh man it's your fault you're a loser oh

yes yes it's every single product is

full in the world

holy [ __ ] isn't that the definition of

privilege

so what so it's a californian people's

fault that they're living on the street

it's african people's fault that they're

starving you know it's uh

but uh it's not it's not your fault it's

not the system's fault the system is

fine this was perfectly fine it's every

single individual in the entire world's

fault you know

dude are you sure anybody's fault i'm

not blaming anybody you're the one

blaming people you don't find that you

prove ourselves

that's mad dude

dude are you really going to cry

are you

guys we have to get to a point we we

have to get to a point we have to get to

i'm pretty serious

you lost in this system

look look so you're basically arguing

it's people people's own fault right if

they don't succeed in capitalism or

whatever right that's the generalization

but we can uplift people we can do

things that help people kind of we can

enact policies that help people that's

how we can spend money to help people

putting that so yet the government us

also has that too it's called voting for

policies we can vote for these policies

and people don't agree

with no policy fails first of all

right

about agreement and voters have all

failed they have popular support

first of all it's filled they have

popular okay or popular

so so one of the issues that i'm

consistently seeing is that let me

apologize for you because you don't you

don't you don't really see it

so the i think the issue here is that

you don't really seem to be invested in

any position you just kind of seem like

you're sitting on the couch and asking

us to

make you interested in this and it's

like it's almost like you're not really

invested in what you're saying and when

people call you out you're just like

well systems can work i like both

systems i think it's it's the system is

always growing it can always be

different in 50 years america

politics will be different now it's

always going to be changing and the

reason

the point is

okay that's why i like this discussion

you guys can convince me too i'm not

going to be like [ __ ] you [ __ ] you like

what you're saying the whole time

i'm not saying

you call me privilege you could you told

me [ __ ] off back to china and you're

telling me that you are i'm not polite

oh okay you're imagining this out of

nowhere you're telling me that i'm not

polite [ __ ] you

yeah sure

sure what

i don't want to engage with your fantasy

world it's [ __ ] wake up

yep

world you can go play world of warcraft

or some [ __ ] okay but no yeah i live in

reality

it's not reality for you china the few

thousand miles is reality

listen to me

we are talking about a specific policy

change let's say reducing the housing

debt or anything like that

canadian citizens would

for a simple reason because we side with

the people they don't it's just that we

have a proper guys into evil position

that people don't decide with us however

beside the thumb you understand what i'm

saying now

and that's just policy never talking

about the support every problem

you paid for so you pay to get [ __ ]

over and you're so proud of it

we're not you're getting

oh okay yes yes yes so you don't get to

complain about the system because it's

just your fault and it's your product

yeah it's working for me i'm saying it's

good you're saying it's privileged so

you're privileged shut the [ __ ] up

you're privileged shut the [ __ ] up

cool see this this is all comes to the

end you're privileged so you don't have

to say anything

okay oh you're privileged i don't care

about those who are not privileged which

is the majority of the society that is

[ __ ] decided over and by the way by

the way when the entire society do you

eventually fail due to most people

you're [ __ ] airplanes in canada dude

you didn't [ __ ] swim

here ah yes yes

i took a plane you immigrated to canada

you immigrated to canada oh

so so what so what

so what

some privilege for what

why why did you immigrate to a system

that doesn't work for you why does it

matter why does this matter about my

opinions

my opinion is based on truth it's not

based on myself

again

answer my questions

okay you're making this personal but

social science it's not it's not my

personal stuff you're making it all

personal it's personal for you dude it's

not that personal for me

it's personal for you because you are

the one making this person i never want

to make it personal

you're called pain you're a copay you're

saying you're trying to cold mad one oh

you're mad you're mad i'm cooking so

hard right now listen to me for a second

here for a second okay

you're making this personal but it's not

personal social science is never

personal you're saying that because i am

from china and i immigrated to canada my

opinion all of a sudden it isn't violent

no this is not how it works

i did not say that wow i did not say it

what the [ __ ] do you just say that what

the [ __ ] did you just say that i said

you're probably too

how how about that so i'm trying to do

this

so why do you say i'm privileged why the

[ __ ] does that matter then why the [ __ ]

does that matter because you're safe

because you're privileged your opinions

are better than our opinions you're

saying that we're just crying this guy's

going in circles

i love it when people say i'm winning

that's not for you to decide uh but you

literally said that the vowel goes that

the reality is you're winning that's

literally what you said

i mean in terms of winning the argument

not in life life is pretty easy to see

buddy you haven't made a solid argument

people disagree no everybody in the

argument everybody thinks they're

winning

okay that's how it is okay then like

but the thing is you haven't made an

argument

what do you mean i'm saying america is

better the system works better

that's my argument that's my opinion

at the end of the argument that's where

it comes to

you guys are just immature you guys

can't argue you guys can't debate your

position

that's cool right

with different opinions you haven't

provided a reason you just said that oh

the u.s is better but you don't give any

single reason and then when we go after

you on that you just say that i mean

i've been we've been talking about

reasons this whole time and then we just

at the end of the day it's just disagree

disagree disagree

whatever dude

you're in china so like

you spent most of the time slandering

about china and then you made the point

that oh they use this you've probably

never even lived in china before dude

you've never lived in china before man

look at me man like my personal

experience makes me so valuable i don't

know about politics i don't know about

economy but you know i live here i'm

more prevalent than you are my opinion

more violence

huh how are you i probably live longer

enchanted okay whatever i i i don't care

about it's not about measuring you don't

care i don't care anymore i'm so cool

everybody i don't care

do you admit that you're around to say

that there's no immature dude oh i'm so

butchered everybody i caught a few

immature that's my argument

yeah

keep talking like that i don't keep

talking like it makes me more masculine

ah yes you're so masculine you cope the

entire time makes you more masculine yes

yes yes you don't dare face a single

point i brought up that makes you more

masculine

sure

sure sure what

are you you would use like talking to a

brick wall

you're just to keep disagreeing

so what [ __ ] you talked about north

korea being a terrorist state and i only

care why that's the [ __ ] argument the

fact that you died

[Laughter]

why

what makes you think that

what why are they a terrorist state

yeah

because they don't care about their

people

at all

as a tourist

state if your family member [ __ ] up

they're going to kill your whole family

yeah but that's that's not terrorism

how is that human right do you believe

okay

do you believe in the four generation

prisons because you

mentioned about your whole family going

to jail if you

supposedly break the law so do you

believe that your whole family don't go

to jail

but we're talking about north korea

yeah north korea yeah they do they send

you to the labor camps

no they don't know

four generate because number one if they

do

that would basically [ __ ] the economy

because the majority an entire [ __ ]

do you know how [ __ ] large four

generations that would triple the

[ __ ] economy

they don't have the economy north korea

doesn't happen oh what one of uh now

you're just saying like [ __ ] slogans

very famous defector called shin dong

yuk who um

who supposedly went to canada north

korea

and he said he said

he said that his whole [ __ ] family

went to jail but the north koreans

[ __ ] brought his father up and his

father is like oh yeah i'm not in

[ __ ] prison

hey get on the phone say you're not in

prison dude hey yeah mike's all good

guys hey family i'm totally not a

sleeping guy the [ __ ] myth is that

north korean prisons are deadly everyone

[ __ ] dies when you go there you get

beaten you get you have to be in some

sort of cages he looks [ __ ] normal if

you go into a supposed camps with things

like [ __ ] beatings every day where

you have to be

right

there's

nice ones there's bad ones there's labor

cats there's different tears okay so his

dad went to a high tier prison is what

you're saying

so let me ask you why

why would a dad of a defector who's one

of the most popular

would be sent to a

a hybrid

so you're just mad because of north

korea have better health care than you

only problem with north korean

healthcare is that there are shortages

which is because of sanctions

stop crying stop crying

so going back to the main point why is

north korea

you you treating your family like being

authoritarian

doesn't necessarily mean that you're you

would love to say it wouldn't you huh if

you had that choice yes i'll be a

dictator and i'll [ __ ] your mom that's

what i'm going to do as a dictator i

will

make it a law to redistribute your mom

from your dad so we can i would [ __ ]

beat the [ __ ] out of you yeah

shut the [ __ ] up all right we're done

we're done we're done we're done we're

done we're done shut the [ __ ] up shut

the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up you're

getting banned you don't [ __ ]

yeah bye

you're done [ __ ] out of here

yeah

bye guys

okay we're done with that

we're done we're done with that whole

thing i ban that guy we're done

abandon

that's enough of that